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Title: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 20, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
I thought he was shocking today. We've all talked about droppping Scharner but for me, since he has been captain he seems to have gone backwards and looks lost, and doesn't warrant a starting place. Maybe a stint on the bench will bring out a bit of fight that he looks to be lacking.

How he remained on the pitch over Dorrans is a mystery to me. He was a passenger today as he has been for the last couple of months.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 20, 2011, 05:15:47 PM
I'm pretty sure Dorrans went off with an injury, didn't seem to be moving very freely but I didn't notice if he went straight down the tunnel or not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on February 20, 2011, 05:17:07 PM
Dorrans was limping heavily when he came off
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on February 20, 2011, 05:18:29 PM
i agree brunt was very poor today. Just didnt look interested, and the amount of times he was wandering into the middle rather than sticking out wide was ridiculous, left Jara exposed far too much first half.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 20, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
Brunt needs to be put out wide on the right were he started the season so well,he ends up trying hollywood balls were he is now.Spends too much time drifting in the middle
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 20, 2011, 05:20:17 PM
Brunt was very poor yet again. His quality from dead balls seems to be getting worse.

Couldn't believe the descision to award him MOTM! You couldn't have found a more disinterested player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on February 20, 2011, 05:25:32 PM
I'm pretty sure Dorrans went off with an injury, didn't seem to be moving very freely but I didn't notice if he went straight down the tunnel or not.

No he went on the bench.

Brunt. I am a big big fan but he has been pants the last few games.
That armband is the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 20, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
Brunt has reverted to his old bad ways, I changed my mind about him for the 1st half of the season as he seemed to be more interested in tracking back to help out defensively.
 
Now he looks lost, no fight, no bottle - a passenger, we really can't have that from a captain :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on February 20, 2011, 06:36:33 PM
has been dreadful since getting the armband, who the hell voted for him to be MOTM today?, yes dropping him would be easy but we have no-one else to come in, plus who would be captain then?, have to remeber jonas doesn't want it and i cant comprehend scharner getting it as i don't think hhe should be in the first 11 at all
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 20, 2011, 06:47:53 PM
Doesn't look half the player he did earlier in the season and to give him the captaincy is abysmal. The man isn't a leader and his head drops quicker than any of the others. I'd like to see Hodgson vacate the captaincy and give it too a natural leader. I.e. Steven Reid or Paul Scharner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on February 21, 2011, 06:14:08 AM
He should not be captain, hopefully hodgson has realised that, you're captain should inspire you, especially during your biggest derby

Im sure hodgson was linked with brunt whilst at fulham ?

I would like to see Brunt on the left side of midfield still . He's clearly not a centre midfielder
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 21, 2011, 10:26:01 AM
Brunt's problem is his mental game. He is way too petulant and let's his head drop when things don't go right. I am a fan but he doesn't have any traction atm, something needs to change. Give the captaincy to Olsson and tell Brunt to get back to the basics of his game. I want to see Brunt in and around the box more, whatever happened to his goal threat?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bobcracker on February 21, 2011, 10:48:46 AM
Hasn't registered an assist since Villa away, which has coincided with our bad run.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 21, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
Were the fans playing mind games with him.Give him man of the match then boo the decision.I am very confused.I hope Roy takes the captains arm band from him.We need a Brunt without the stress of being Captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 21, 2011, 11:32:58 AM
Were the fans playing mind games with him.Give him man of the match then boo the decision.I am very confused.I hope Roy takes the captains arm band from him.We need a Brunt without the stress of being Captain.

They weren't playing mind games they were just being stupid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Stampsey01 on February 21, 2011, 11:36:03 AM
We all know Brunt is a top player, but ever since he was made captain, it looks like he's trying to hard, or as if he has too much on his plate... I think to get the best out of Brunt, he should be released of the captaincy and also be put on the left wing as he looks more comfortable over there
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Savvas78 on February 21, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
His performances have taken a really alarming nosedive in my opinion, a completely differenent player who was setting the league alight earlier in the season.

Performances aside you can see he had his head down, was totally within himself, cutting a sorry figure on the pitch... These are hardly qualities in a captain who you look to for inspiration in a relegation dogfight.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 21, 2011, 11:56:05 AM
I think the arm bad is weighing a little too heavy on him.
Just take it back off him is the obvious solution
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 21, 2011, 12:11:34 PM
Think the armband is the problem he hasnt performed to his standards since.

Best thing to do would be to assign a new captain and let Brunt get on with his game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyjop on February 21, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
I think a game or two on the bench and the armband going elswhere would do brunty the world of good
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albionproud70 on February 21, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
On his day he can be unplayable but those days are becoming  as rare as hens teeth...
The bloke has the ability but is not applying it..
He acts like a kid when its not going his way and sulks..
Lets his head drop way too easily and in my opinion is not and never will be a captain..
He hasnt got the grit desire or persona to influence those around him..
The one player who has is Mulumbu...
I fear Brunt is one of a few players who privately aint that fussed if we go down as they'd be off in the summer..
No proof of that but my opinion nevertheless...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 21, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
Hasn't registered an assist since Villa away, which has coincided with our bad run.

Interestingly it was just after the Villa game that he was reported as having a groin injury, but that was recovered for Bolton on boxing day.  Makes me wonder if he is carrying a slight injury still.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2011, 07:46:08 PM
I fear Brunt is one of a few players who privately aint that fussed if we go down as they'd be off in the summer..
No proof of that but my opinion nevertheless...

Signed an improved contract during the close season, so if he does I assume we will cash in.

I also believe he is struggling with the captaincy and allowing it to affect his game. Personally, I would bring Carson back and pass the arm band back.

Whilst I do not like the keeper as captain, Carson is the club Captain and therefore there are no political issues with removing it from Brunt.

The current form shows that the defensive issues did not all stem from the man in goal and, whilst Myhill has not done too much wrong, I do believe Carson has better distribution and quicker vision.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2011, 08:24:57 PM
Playing in the middle(he drifted in sunday)is killing his game,hopefully when Mulumbu returns he will be back where he has done so well this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on February 21, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
I think the arm bad is weighing a little too heavy on him.
Just take it back off him is the obvious solution

is it that obvious, who do you give it to?, big Jonas has already said he doesn't want it
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyjop on February 21, 2011, 11:13:04 PM
Brunt has reverted to his old bad ways, I changed my mind about him for the 1st half of the season as he seemed to be more interested in tracking back to help out defensively.
 
Now he looks lost, no fight, no bottle - a passenger, we really can't have that from a captain :(

Agree, lazy and ineffective  >:(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 63Brummie on February 22, 2011, 09:51:44 AM
Brunt needs to be put out wide on the right were he started the season so well,he ends up trying hollywood balls were he is now.Spends too much time drifting in the middle
I agree.
His best position is wide (without the Captains arm band)...it's a bidge too far for him :'(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2011, 09:58:03 AM
Somebody tell Roy Brunt aint no captain.Never was never will be.We need all our players firing on all cylinders.
Ok if nobody else wants to be captain inc Olsson then let Roy be captain from the touchline
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: eaststandbaggie on February 22, 2011, 10:46:25 AM
I posted on here last season he is a luxury we cannot affors.If Liverpool want him sell him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
I posted on here last season he is a luxury we cannot affors.If Liverpool want him sell him


Mr Peace should clear 30 Million with players sold including Brunt if we go down
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bubz on February 22, 2011, 01:41:29 PM
I don't think we would miss him that much, although I can see his set pieces being even more essential under Hodgson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Savvas78 on February 22, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Quote
Mr Peace should clear 30 Million with players sold including Brunt if we go down

Which will no doubt be 'absorbed' into the club, rather than re-invested in new players; leaving us a mediocre Championship side at best...... But that's a whole other topic!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on February 22, 2011, 01:52:07 PM
Brunt has been below par lately but in his defence he’s been shifted from one position to another on an all too regular basis.

He’s been shunted far too regularly into central midfield, a position he’s clearly not comfortable in at this level. His best form came with him operating wide right but he needs a sustained run of games back in that position if he’s going to get his form back.

He’s essentially been a victim of his own quality in that the previous management team were trying to accommodate him in positions he clearly wasn’t comfortable with. Despite this he's still chipped in with 9/10 assists which I dare say is more than any other of our players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 63Brummie on February 22, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
I posted on here last season he is a luxury we cannot affors.If Liverpool want him sell him
What :o???
He's one of our main creative outlets...did that Dingles firework hit you in the head mate?LMAO ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 22, 2011, 04:00:15 PM
I posted on here last season he is a luxury we cannot affors.If Liverpool want him sell him
Up until the last month or so he had one of the highest assists rates in this division,remakable for a club of our standing.The bloke has that touch of class about him,as others said he has been a victim of his own good form by being shunted all over the pitch.Never in a million years is he a centre midfielder.Selling your best players only leads to one thing....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on February 22, 2011, 07:48:25 PM
The captaincy thing isn't that straight forward. People say make Scharner captain but he isnt certain of his place any more. Not unless he plays at centre half or replaces Mulumbu. Reid has also been out of the side for most of the season and gets injured too often.

I think people focus on who is captain too much simply because it is an easy thing to look at. Maybe it is a bigger deal than I think and a strong leader is good but I think having strong leaders on the pitch matters more than having one bloke wearing an arm band. Out of those guaranteed to play, Brunt is the most senior here. Olsson doesn't want it and is too hot headed and the other option is Peter Odemwingie who may soon be dropped and will get the same accusations levelled at him as Brunt is getting (other than letting his head drop, something he does not do).

Tamas would be perfect but he isnt good enough to be in the first 11 so like Reid he wont get the chance. Apart from that, we dont have a player who is calm enough (rules out Mulumbu and Olsson) and can be a natural to cary a team (like Scott Parker) and so you need to accept that we wont have the perfect captian this season.

If people can name somebody other than  often Reid or not certain of a place Scharner then you might have a point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on February 22, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
Brunt always seems to go through fazes in a season. During his first premier league campaign here he started poor before finishing strong. Last season he started great, was poor half way through and then ended strongly. He carried this form through to this season up until half way through and is now going through another bad patch.

He isnt the complete player and if Liverpool do their research they will realise he isnt good enough for a side who want to be finishing in the top 4 but he is premier league class with his assists and near the end of the seaosn I expect him to pop up with a few key goals and assists. he will still be very close to the top of the assists charts in the division this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TaffieBaggie on February 23, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
I have never been one of his fans as most of you know from my past posts.  Against Wolves he went missing.  What amazed me more than anything was that he was made man of the match. 

Maybe it was because Mulumbu wasn't playing and the two people who voted where his family.  The other option is that the rest of the players were even worse but that was just not the case.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: eaststandbaggie on February 23, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
No 63 Brummie I did not get hit by dingles firework I was born this daft.Just my opinion I think we could live without him,I think he does ever put in a full shift and goes missing to often.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: westbrom4ever on February 28, 2011, 09:27:40 PM
Baffling that he is captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLegend on February 28, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
In regards to keeping Brunt as captain when Carson is back, maybe not giving it back will take some pressure off Carson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2011, 10:11:34 PM
His free kicks crossed into the box are usually very good, hopefully Roy can sort our attacking of set pieces out like he did for Fulham, because there's plenty of joy to be had there. If the quality of his set pieces was against us we'd be all over the place.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: DaveWBA on February 28, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
He needs to get back out wide again, he looked lost at times tonight when he was alone in the centre of midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Rich99 on February 28, 2011, 10:26:02 PM
I thought he was poor again today, but at least showed a bit more effort and fight.

The atemps at Holywood passes and shots are starting to make me groan before they even leave his boot.

I hope he can refind his form soon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: slugga1 on February 28, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
Brunt isnt playing the game we know he can, tired maybe i dont know but i think we all agree he's not captain material and doesnt need that on his shoulders.
Who for captain then? Olsson obvious choice but doesnt want it?  Mulumbu, fantastic but too hot headed i think.
For me theres only one other person and thats Dorrans, i think he is almost beckhamesque in how he can up his performance for the team and could take it in his stride now hes more settled on the pitch.
with perfomances like today he would certainly be in for a shout.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sax78 on February 28, 2011, 10:36:19 PM
When he switched with Thomas tonight and played on the left he looked like the player we all know he is.   Also I appreciate you could criticise the free kicks he gave away tonight but at least he had some fight in him! If you're reading this Brunty, Well done mate!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 28, 2011, 10:36:37 PM
Brunt isn't the kind of player you need in a relegation battle IMO. He doesn't have the heart or grit required for it. Looks tired and has been off form for a while.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommi on February 28, 2011, 11:09:44 PM
Had an absolute shocker tonight for me.

Barely did a thing right the entire 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on February 28, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
From behind the goal he ran his nuts off and helped his full back.

We can have flair brunt and be lightweight or a more hard working, biting brunt - can't do the two jobs.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 01, 2011, 08:01:01 AM
I noticed walking off at the end he didnt acknowledge the supporters.Time to rest him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on March 01, 2011, 08:01:12 AM
He looked ok, but not his best.

He helped the team out when needed just wasnt his usual effect self going forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 01, 2011, 10:39:12 AM
Give the bloke a break - rest him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2011, 10:55:17 AM
I think some of the comments about tonights performance are a bit unfair. Ok not too much came off for him but I thought his commitment (like everyone elses was very good, he harried, worked hard and tackled. The early season flair has gone somewhat but a much better overall performance than in the last few matches. I really dont understand why we always need a scapegoat. Is this something that happens at every club?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 01, 2011, 12:40:43 PM
I don't see him being made a scapegoat anywhere. I feel for the bloke.

He is not good enough or strong enough to play centre midfield, he bottles 50/50's and looks lost unless the opposition give him the freedom of the park which in this league he won't get.

He is a winger and is one of the best around so why the persistance to take that away from him ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on March 01, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
I don't see him being made a scapegoat anywhere. I feel for the bloke.

He is not good enough or strong enough to play centre midfield, he bottles 50/50's and looks lost unless the opposition give him the freedom of the park which in this league he won't get.

He is a winger and is one of the best around so why the persistance to take that away from him ?

Totally agree. I for one thought he could be very affective in the middle... I was wrong. He is is shocking at tackling, and seems lost. but he is a fantastic winger on either side and thats where he needs to play. He is on 9 yellows after last night, however am I right in thinking that the amnesty on yellow cards was today?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on March 01, 2011, 12:52:02 PM
I thought he worked hard last night but nothing really went for him in an attacking sense.

He'll technically start on the right of midfield but because hes left footed he'll naturally cut inside.  Hodgson emplyed the same tactic with Damien Duff. 

With Thomas the same on the left hand side being right footed, we lack width but thats provided by our fullbacks.

The formation gives us numbers in the middle and makes us solid in there especially with Mulumbu and Scharner.

Still think thats the best formation for us to play.  4-2-3-1.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 01, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
I thought we looked better last night when Thomas switched to the right and Brunt to the left tbh.

IMO, with the seeming return to 4231 and Vela’s emergence I think we need to sacrifice either Brunt or Thomas on one of the wings.

Thomas has been quiet in the last two games but has been a consistent performer all season, whilst Brunt started the season superbly but has struggled for form of late. I would argue that Brunt is more likely to produce that bit of magic in a game but given that they’re such difference players it would ultimately come down to the type of player Roy would want to play. Vela on on one wing and Brunt/Thomas on the other is the way we need to go in though IMO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggiesBen on March 01, 2011, 01:30:24 PM
IMO it seems like we are taking away his strengths. Put him on the wing and let him whip some crosses in because they can cause big problems for defenders
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on March 01, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
If were going to play Fortune, we need to have Brunt on the left for crosses.
If were going to play Odemwingie, id give Brunt a rest and play Vela one side and Thomas the other, Brunt looks tired and though he needs a week to regain some passion and form.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on March 01, 2011, 02:17:43 PM
Brunt is NEVER a centre midfield

S.Reid is captain material, brunty finds it hard to motivate himself at times !

I prefer Brunt on the left, whipping in quality balls

On the right though, him cutting in and shooting is great
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 01, 2011, 05:34:10 PM
I thought we looked better last night when Thomas switched to the right and Brunt to the left tbh.

IMO, with the seeming return to 4231 and Vela’s emergence I think we need to sacrifice either Brunt or Thomas on one of the wings.

Thomas has been quiet in the last two games but has been a consistent performer all season, whilst Brunt started the season superbly but has struggled for form of late. I would argue that Brunt is more likely to produce that bit of magic in a game but given that they’re such difference players it would ultimately come down to the type of player Roy would want to play. Vela on on one wing and Brunt/Thomas on the other is the way we need to go in though IMO.

Spot on about the switching wings. That is something we need to be doing on a regular basis to stop the defenders getting settled. Very effective tactic that is often neglected (it certainly was under RDM).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyjop on March 01, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
Give the bloke a break - rest him

Agree totakky, this is the time to rest him, get him raring to go for the final push
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hardtobeat on March 01, 2011, 05:41:13 PM
He'll get a rest soon ,last night was his 9th booking 1 more and he gets 2 games off :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Stampsey01 on March 02, 2011, 12:51:55 AM
is it that obvious, who do you give it to?, big Jonas has already said he doesn't want it

Reid??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 17, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Is he good enough for a top half EPL team?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 17, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Not one that relies on quick counter-attacking movement from its wide players he isnt, no. He slows the game too much. IMHO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 17, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
I'm a Brunt fan, but he was utterly inept today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieheart on March 17, 2012, 08:28:47 PM
I think he is a great player which doesn't suit current system. Neither does Long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on March 17, 2012, 08:30:23 PM
SLOW, SLOW and SLOW.........................very poor today and the team looked back to it's lathargic self with him and the cumbersome Scharner in midfield. All the drive and pace had gone out of the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2012, 08:37:55 PM
Brunt is an excellent midfielder but our current system just doesn't suit him. Midfield now looks disjointed, if they are supposed to be inter-changing then to have Scharner out wide and Brunt in the middle whilst trying to defend is pointless.

Our fast attacking side is brought to a standstill at times. I wouldn't write him off though as he does possess quality but I don't think we miss him as much as people try to make out at times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Also a lot of questions to be asked of Shane Long..may struggle to fit into our 4-5-1 formation. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FLETCH on March 17, 2012, 08:54:25 PM
he is pants...... i wouldnt pick him!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 17, 2012, 08:55:08 PM
the reason thomas and pete works on either isde is they dont swap flanks, after 15mins today brunt and thomas swapped, then brunt went wandering in the middle which makes the 3 in the middle cover for him. he was all over the place and it affects the shape of the team. being the captain and good set piece taker will keep him in the team which i believe will hinder the way we played few games ago when it all the players seemed natural in there positions.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 17, 2012, 08:55:33 PM
Poor today but lets not forget this is only his second game after a very long lay off. I agree that he doesn't suit the fast, counter attacking 451 system that we have been playing in recent weeks. It requires pace out wide, something which Brunt simply doesn't have. Perhaps a move inside as part of a midfield 3 could work...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Poor today but lets not forget this is only his second game after a very long lay off. I agree that he doesn't suit the fast, counter attacking 451 system that we have been playing in recent weeks. It requires pace out wide, something which Brunt simply doesn't have. Perhaps a move inside as part of a midfield 3 could work...

Is not and never will be a centre midfielder especially in the Prem, he does not have the stamina, discipline or work ethic for it. Yes he puts decent balls through at times (usually coming in from wide) but would I have him in the centre over any other player we have ? not at any time.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 17, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
I'm a Brunt fan, but he was utterly inept today.

Aye. I like Brunty but he was horrible today, and his body language can be so annoying at times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on March 17, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
Poor today but lets not forget this is only his second game after a very long lay off. I agree that he doesn't suit the fast, counter attacking 451 system that we have been playing in recent weeks. It requires pace out wide, something which Brunt simply doesn't have. Perhaps a move inside as part of a midfield 3 could work...

not being nasty but since he has come back we have looked poor!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliewestbrom on March 17, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
I think he needs a couple of home games to settle into the team. He was poor today, but so was a lot of the team. Even Morrison who has been at the centre of alot our good performances in recent games couldn't get to grips with the game.

People are right to highlight his lack of pace for this game and his unsuitiblity to 4-3-3, but he deserves some patience as he does have undoubted quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 17, 2012, 09:05:16 PM
Poor today but lets not forget this is only his second game after a very long lay off. I agree that he doesn't suit the fast, counter attacking 451 system that we have been playing in recent weeks. It requires pace out wide, something which Brunt simply doesn't have. Perhaps a move inside as part of a midfield 3 could work...

Brunt was fine in our 451 last season. It's more a matter of form for him imo. He hasn't really played in a 451 this season apart from the Chelsea game (the United game was just a caputulation apart from the first few minutes when we actually tried to attack).

Today was weird, nominally we had a 451 but we kept hoofing it up the channels for some strangre reason, maybe because we had Long upfront, instead of playing football through the midfield.


 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 17, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Is not and never will be a centre midfielder especially in the Prem, he does not have the stamina, discipline or work ethic for it. Yes he puts decent balls through at times (usually coming in from wide) but would I have him in the centre over any other player we have ? not at any time.

In a 2 man center midfield I would totally agree. However with 3 in there he would have more protection and would have more opportunity to get on the ball and use his passing ability. I don't think his work rate is an issue at all anymore. I think he's more than proved that over the last couple of years.

I think it's a bit much to say you wouldn't have him in there at any time. I could certainly see him having a impact in there if we required a bit more creativity. Not saying he should be a starter in there by any means, just that it might be an option.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on March 17, 2012, 10:18:12 PM
i dont like his attitude he always seems so slump his shoulders and be quite moody, last week against man u he gave the ball away before they scored and kinda huffed and puffed for a moment before chasing back, he mustve been centimetres away from blocking the ball but because he had a tiny little moment where his work ethic let him down we conceded. its fine lines and i think brunt defensively is very very poor
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2012, 10:20:19 PM
I wouldn't have him in any centre midfield to be fair, two or three. I have yet to see anything from him as a centre midfielder apart from last season at home to Newcastle when they had nothing to offer, all other games when ever he has been in the middle he has offered nothing. He is not and never will be a Premier League centre midfielder.

You will never convince me and the performances I have seen only confirm it for me, you see it different fine, I am happy to accept that but will never agree on it.

Its not knee jerk from today as i've always consistently said the same starting away at Coventry pre-season a couple of years ago when it was first tried.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on March 17, 2012, 10:58:59 PM
Poor body language and therefore never should be captain.

Lots of talent but will never be consistent. Even when playing badly he is likely to produce a killer pass.  Invaluable squad player but never one to be able to rely on.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on March 17, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
with mulumbu and andrews in the middle morrison as been superb. with brunty coming inside it takes some of the spaces away that morrison likes to run into. i like brunt as i do long but the way the teams been playing with fortune up top and pete out wide i,d have to leave long and brunt on the bench. a very nice position to be in though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
On the last two games, he has not provided anything in midfield, I think the Mulumbu, Morrison, Andrews combination is the best we have in centre mid.

Brunt is a decent player, but not a definite starter anymore.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 17, 2012, 11:38:06 PM
Amazes me that we should be knocking a player that has given us so much and is an integral part of where we come from, A top notch Prem player end of for me
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2012, 11:57:53 PM
Amazes me that we should be knocking a player that has given us so much and is an integral part of where we come from, A top notch Prem player end of for me

Some rate him, some don't, some are in-between, simple as that, its what forums like this are for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 18, 2012, 12:07:53 AM
He's been brilliant for us in the last 4 years or so. He's a good player and has a wonderfull left foot. He also slows the game down alot, which in our attack isn't really what we're after.

If we had two good/v good wingers in the squad who could run with pace/shoot/cross (i know it's the whole package, but sinclair was available for only £1million recently) then WBA could well have been top 8 at the moment.

I'll never knock Brunt, one of only a few player capable of putting a freekick hard into the top corner. But if we are the progress him and Thomas need to be improved upon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 18, 2012, 12:10:48 AM
He's one of the most inconsistent players I've ever seen at the Albion. One week he's putting in some great balls and is really into the game, the next he just dissapears and is nowhere!

This season has been poorer than last for Brunt, but he's still an asset. He did provide our assist this week and will always have an attacking threat to his game. He needs to improve on defending still. I know he's progressed in recent years but the time has came to step up again in that aspect. His pace however, will probably never improve.

I still think he's a good player to have around!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: born-2-boing on March 18, 2012, 12:11:26 AM
I wouldn't have him in any centre midfield to be fair, two or three. I have yet to see anything from him as a centre midfielder apart from last season at home to Newcastle when they had nothing to offer, all other games when ever he has been in the middle he has offered nothing. He is not and never will be a Premier League centre midfielder.

You will never convince me and the performances I have seen only confirm it for me, you see it different fine, I am happy to accept that but will never agree on it.

Its not knee jerk from today as i've always consistently said the same starting away at Coventry pre-season a couple of years ago when it was first tried.


to be fair phil did say this and I agree with him, not a centre midfielder in premier league, different style of play in championship
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jonah on March 18, 2012, 12:12:07 AM
Opposing fans always seem to rate Brunt as one our best players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 18, 2012, 12:27:17 AM
Opposing fans always seem to rate Brunt as one our best players.

Probably because on MOTD it shows his key chances. Brunts overall play is lacking. If it wasn't for his severely talented left foot, he'd be playing in League 1. His game will always be about creating chances/goals, which is probably why others rate him so highly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 18, 2012, 12:31:36 AM
I wouldn't have him in any centre midfield to be fair, two or three. I have yet to see anything from him as a centre midfielder apart from last season at home to Newcastle when they had nothing to offer, all other games when ever he has been in the middle he has offered nothing. He is not and never will be a Premier League centre midfielder.

You will never convince me and the performances I have seen only confirm it for me, you see it different fine, I am happy to accept that but will never agree on it.

Its not knee jerk from today as i've always consistently said the same starting away at Coventry pre-season a couple of years ago when it was first tried.

I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else tbh. First and foremost he's a wide player but I think he's potentially got the tools to play in the middle. Even when he does play wide he spends a decent amount of time drifting into the middle so that he can influence the game.

I remember the majority of people on here (me included) saying that James Morrison was never a CM and was much better wide. Good players can adapt and Chris Brunt is a good player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 18, 2012, 12:35:34 AM
Probably because on MOTD it shows his key chances. Brunts overall play is lacking. If it wasn't for his severely talented left foot, he'd be playing in League 1. His game will always be about creating chances/goals, which is probably why others rate him so highly.

If it wasn't for David Beckham's supremely talented right foot he probably would have been a mediocre PL player. You could pretty much level the 'what if' scenario at any player. The fact is, Chris Brunt has one of the best left foots in the business and has the vision to execute passes and crosses that other players in our team don't. He was in the top 3/4 players for assist last season. You don't get those sort of statistics through luck, you get them through being a very good player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on March 18, 2012, 12:36:13 AM
According to the 'Player Efficiency' category from 'Stats' at the following link;

http://www.imscouting.com/teams/england/west-bromwich-albion/stats/

Brunt is our 4th most productive player this season in terms of goals and assists. Will have gone up today too.

He frustrates me, but i can see the benefit of having him in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on March 18, 2012, 12:38:03 AM
Our most underrated player and one of the most underrated in the Premier League.

He's more than good enough for a top half PL team... It's just what position he is played in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 18, 2012, 01:35:26 AM
IMO hes one of our best players. great left foot and can split a defence with one pass (Newcastle away for example) Great asset to have in our team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 18, 2012, 03:26:06 AM
I think he is a great player which doesn't suit current system. Neither does Long.

having read all these comments this sums up the most adequately.
Brunt is a slow build up man and is suited to 4-4-2 and having someone airly domiant to aim at.
long is not a lone striker and was utter dross today. hes a finisher who needs to play in a big man little man combo or not at all.

both wasted in 4-5-1
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 08:02:47 AM
A very skillful footballer who builds moves up and adds a calming presence in our team.

I'd love to see the points his assists have won us, it would render this topic locked.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AshD on March 18, 2012, 10:39:04 AM
My issue with him is when we have him in the team, we lose a lot of width as he keeps cutting in. How many crosses does he actually put into the box (excluding set pieces)???

For me, he would come straight out when Odemwingie is back. Maybe its the system that doesnt suit, but whatever it is, I dont think we are as good a team with him in it than we are without him!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 18, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
one way or another, i think he's Hodgson's type of player. like others have said, he's suited to a 4-4-2 which Hodgson enjoys. My prediction is Brunt wont star often this season but (IF hodgson stays) next year we'll start buying players to match a 4-4-2. But (and i may be spectacularly wrong) With Odem on the right may turn into 4-3-3.

But i'm just a fan. i have no tactical nouse. so I may be wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 01:37:54 PM
Some rate him, some don't, some are in-between, simple as that, its what forums like this are for.

I would like to think im intelligent enough to realise that its all about opinions Oldbury. Still doesnt change my view though. I dont think there would be any PL teams outside the top 4/5 who wouldnt have Brunty in their squad. So I struggle to see how people can write his ability off in the way they sometimes seem to. I think there is plenty of hard evidence to support that view over the last 2 or 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 18, 2012, 02:14:09 PM
one way or another, i think he's Hodgson's type of player. like others have said, he's suited to a 4-4-2 which Hodgson enjoys. My prediction is Brunt wont star often this season but (IF hodgson stays) next year we'll start buying players to match a 4-4-2. But (and i may be spectacularly wrong) With Odem on the right may turn into 4-3-3.

But i'm just a fan. i have no tactical nouse. so I may be wrong  ;D

Au contraire Hunnington, I think you have plenty of tactical nous  ;D

I think Brunt has a very 'Chris Waddle laid back type, body language' on the pitch & does come over a bit lazy at times to me, I know a NI fan who only goes to NI matches & apparently a lot of their fans think the same about him.

He has undoubted ability & is definitely a good option for certain games when we perhaps need something different but for the life of me I cannot see any captain material.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 18, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
I would like to think im intelligent enough to realise that its all about opinions Oldbury. Still doesnt change my view though. I dont think there would be any PL teams outside the top 4/5 who wouldnt have Brunty in their squad. So I struggle to see how people can write his ability off in the way they sometimes seem to. I think there is plenty of hard evidence to support that view over the last 2 or 3 seasons.

I'm not stupid (some might beg to differ !!) and I wouldn't dispute others clubs would snap him up given half a chance. I also wouldn't write off his ability and as far as I am aware I have never done so. I know he has qualities but for me he is best used as a wide player, his best games for us have come as a wide player, he came as a wide player and played an important role out there. He has one of the best left foots around and one of the best ways of scoring a goal is getting a cross into the box (its how we concede many of them).  I remember Bednars debut at Plymouth where one of his goals came from a cracking Brunt cross.

In the middle at times he looks lost and the game passes him by. Yes he will put the odd pass through but in the main he is not suited to that position and I would pick the other midfielders at the club over him every time. He might have the odd good game in there but overall I doubt he will become a succesful centre midfielder in the Prem.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on March 18, 2012, 02:35:48 PM
I'm not stupid (some might beg to differ !!) and I wouldn't dispute others clubs would snap him up given half a chance. I also wouldn't write off his ability and as far as I am aware I have never done so. I know he has qualities but for me he is best used as a wide player, his best games for us have come as a wide player, he came as a wide player and played an important role out there. He has one of the best left foots around and one of the best ways of scoring a goal is getting a cross into the box (its how we concede many of them).  I remember Bednars debut at Plymouth where one of his goals came from a cracking Brunt cross.

In the middle at times he looks lost and the game passes him by. Yes he will put the odd pass through but in the main he is not suited to that position and I would pick the other midfielders at the club over him every time. He might have the odd good game in there but overall I doubt he will become a succesful centre midfielder in the Prem.

I agree with you Oldbury, so you can't be that stupid (or we both are  ;D)

Brunt's best position is Left wing, then right wing, then in the middle if necessary. I thought Brunt would be able to adapt and become successful in the middle but it hasn't worked out. He needs to be out wide and drifting in now and then.

The problem for us is that Thomas is right footed but plays on the left, he is poor on the right wing, so we need to play Brunt on the right to accommodate Thomas. We could drop one of them but Brunt is captain and a key player for us and Thomas is one of our few players with pace and trickery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on March 18, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
In this formation, I'm not sure where Brunt fits in. If he's played on the right, he always cuts in and that seems to cut down the space Mozza has. I don't think he's good enough to play central midfield for us consistently, plus Andrews and Mulumbu have made those two roles their own.

The only place I see for him is on the left, with Odemwingie on the right, but then JT is a massive player for us, particularly away from home.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 06:16:39 PM
Phil was 50% responsible for deploying andy brewer as a deep lying playmaker - you can't buy nouse like that!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 18, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Phil was 50% responsible for deploying andy brewer as a deep lying playmaker - you can't buy nouse like that!

 :D and that was a quality move  8)

Letting Campo take a pen however wasn't one of the best  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 18, 2012, 07:02:06 PM
If it wasn't for David Beckham's supremely talented right foot he probably would have been a mediocre PL player. You could pretty much level the 'what if' scenario at any player. The fact is, Chris Brunt has one of the best left foots in the business and has the vision to execute passes and crosses that other players in our team don't. He was in the top 3/4 players for assist last season. You don't get those sort of statistics through luck, you get them through being a very good player.

I'm not saying Brunt's rubbish and I like him as a player. In my final sentence I said he was valuable to have for making chances. The thing is, he is very one footed. I was merely pointing it out. In fact, I was answering why so many other fans who didn't support West Brom rated him. Basically because Brunt's style is so attacking, that whenever our highlights are shown he will be featured. He can hardly be compared to someone like Morrison or Andrews who does a bit of everything.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 07:03:46 PM
Its not knee jerk from today as i've always consistently said the same starting away at Coventry pre-season a couple of years ago when it was first tried.

We know!  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 18, 2012, 07:07:21 PM
I feel Brunt may well be worked on by the coaching staff in the summer to try and help him develop his game in the middle.

I will say however he may have a place out wide as I believe when Gera is back we will deploy him behind a striker so the 4-3-3 will not need two pacey wide men as we have now.

I would think we will have two pacey players wide at home and then change to a more 4-4-1-1 away with Brunt being wider in that midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 18, 2012, 07:10:18 PM
Well RDM was the first to try it and that was 18 months ago so if its not worked in 18 months then I fail to see how it can work in the future. I'd rather see us continue to develop young players who are natural central players and bring in naturally central players than ruin a perfectly good wide player who can offer so much when played in the correct way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 18, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
I dont think he can play wide in a 4-3-3 as he hasnt got the pace so we look uneven.

In a 4-4-1-1 he wont need that pace if that makes sense.

We might be seeing him becoming a squad player as we develop, however no way would I get rid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 07:15:14 PM
Brunt "has been woked on" for 2 years to win a CM place.  It's too late for this.  With every year he is losing pace.  Surely next season Zoltan will be ahead of him in the pecking order as he's a far better player and natural athlete. 

Brunt is not an athlete.  This is what did for Greening in the end also.  JG is now in the lower reaches of championship.  It's amazing to think RH purchased him for Fulham, what a blooper that was.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 18, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
I would imagine Gera will not be used as a midfielder next season at all.


We may see him in the Fortune role in a 4-3-3 or the withdrawn forward role in a 4-4-1-1, he played both for Fulham I believe.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 07:34:14 PM
Either way I look at our midfield and subsequently rate almost every single one as more effective.  The exceptions being Thorne, Cox, Scharner (possibly).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
Isn't greening like 34 years old now? Hence the move down into the ccc?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 18, 2012, 07:40:30 PM
Either way I look at our midfield and subsequently rate almost every single one as more effective.  The exceptions being Thorne, Cox, Scharner (possibly).

It all depends what formation Roy decides to play in the 4-3-3 we are currently playing I think other players are more effective in a 4-4-1-1 which we are likely to use when Gera is back, Brunts range of passing will be instrumental to its success.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 07:42:46 PM
Greening is 33, DOB 2/1/79.

I think Greening when at Brunt's age was definitely quicker.  I remember in 2004/05 when deployed on the flank with Gera, Greening could beat a man, he never had to cross from a standing position (as with Brunt).  Although never that quick he wasn't exactly slow until he reached about 30.

I can remember Brunt from his 1st Albion season (2007/08 i think) and he's definitely slowed down since.  He was at least mobile then, now he has the pace of a 33 year old probably.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
I do certainly think Brunty has a lot to offer us and I certainly wouldn't look to get rid. He has the makings of my opinion of a very good Premier League player, however, it's been clear to see in the last two games that he has slowed down the pace of our game. Maybe, we should alter the system and not require him to play in a position which we can't?

I think he's under rated by our fans I really do, however, getting a system to fit all the players will become a problem.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 07:54:36 PM
You say accomodate Brunt but we've hit on a system starting with Wolves away where we've just been magical, culminating in beating Chelski 1-0.

Why are we fiddling about with a tried-and-trusted method?

I sincerley hope RH goes back to our best team next week - otherwise we'll go backwards at an alarming rate.

Why bend over backwards for Brunt? - he would be towards the bottom of a hypothetical league of our 2011/12 best players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on March 18, 2012, 07:56:10 PM
Brunt doesn't have the engine or the bite to play in the centre of the park. No coincidence that we have looked far more fluid when he was out injured. Andrews and PO back in for him and Scharner next match for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 18, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
I'm glad that he is back, I think he may take him another week or to, to get back to full fitness. I didnt think he was that good Yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
Either way I look at our midfield and subsequently rate almost every single one as more effective.  The exceptions being Thorne, Cox, Scharner (possibly).

How is JT more effective than Brunt? JT can't cross, shoot and can just about pass if somebody is 5 yards away from him. JT gets the ball and runs with it, that's it. That's his one trick. And he is basically only good on the left wing.

Brunt has vision and imagination and can pass the ball 60 yards or 2 yards, he can score, cross and assist regularly. Left side of midfield, right side of midfield it doesn't matter Brunt is good on both sides, and contrary to what others here say I think Brunt can do a job in the middle if he has the right support from the players around him. Personally I don't have a big problem with Brunty drifting in to get the ball since most of the time (when he is match fit) he actually does something with it when he has it. Brunt is like Tchoyi in that he is always looking to create something and make things happen.

Mozza has improved lately but I still don't see him as better than Brunt. Scharner is a donkey but he has his use, Thorne is just a kid and Cox is not a midfield player. Andrews is hot atm but we don't really know him yet. Mulumbu is great but he keeps giving the ball away in very dangerous areas so he isn't perfect either.

 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 08:23:38 PM
You say accomodate Brunt but we've hit on a system starting with Wolves away where we've just been magical, culminating in beating Chelski 1-0.

Why are we fiddling about with a tried-and-trusted method?

I sincerley hope RH goes back to our best team next week - otherwise we'll go backwards at an alarming rate.

Why bend over backwards for Brunt? - he would be towards the bottom of a hypothetical league of our 2011/12 best players.

Brunt more than played his part in the victory over Chelsea when he replaced Jerome Thomas. Hit a whirling shot which was unlucky not to open the score line and it was also off his set piece delivery which saw us take the lead. Chris Brunt is an important player to the squad in my opinion, the man oozes quality on the ball when some of our other players are weak in this area.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:27:07 PM
You say accomodate Brunt but we've hit on a system starting with Wolves away where we've just been magical, culminating in beating Chelski 1-0.

Why are we fiddling about with a tried-and-trusted method?

I sincerley hope RH goes back to our best team next week - otherwise we'll go backwards at an alarming rate.

Why bend over backwards for Brunt? - he would be towards the bottom of a hypothetical league of our 2011/12 best players.

Why bend over backwards for Long - like we did for large parts of this autumn? MAF hitting form was a stroke of luck for Roy as suddenly a lot of pieces fell in place. However last spring we were playing as well or better than now with Brunt in a 451 formation with PO on top. Why are we fiddling with that setup instead of improving on it? To blame Brunt for our problems this season is nonsense.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: reiss on March 18, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Why bend over backwards for Long - like we did for large parts of this autumn? MAF hitting form was a stroke of luck for Roy as suddenly a lot of pieces fell in place. However last spring we were playing as well or better than now with Brunt in a 451 formation with PO on top. Why are we fiddling with that setup instead of improving on it? To blame Brunt for our problems this season is nonsense.


to blame Long is nonesense
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
Brunt more than played his part in the victory over Chelsea when he replaced Jerome Thomas. Hit a whirling shot which was unlucky not to open the score line and it was also off his set piece delivery which saw us take the lead. Chris Brunt is an important player to the squad in my opinion, the man oozes quality on the ball when some of our other players are weak in this area.

I want every single Albion player to ooze quality on the ball. We are in the PL and to have 'footballers' who aren't naturally comfortable with a ball should be out of the question.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:29:56 PM

to blame Long is nonesense

Who has blamed Long?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
IMO Thomas is a more effective player than Brunt.  He is a natural winger something Brunt is not.

I can see Brunt has talent but his positional sense is woeful. 

Brunt was effective in 2010/11 as you rightly point out (mostly towards the end of that season).

However 12 months is a long time in football.  How many good games has Brunt had this season?

JT has been immense since the start of February and no-one can deny it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
Long and Odemwingie are not suited to playing with each other IMO.

As PO is in the better form, he should be deployed RW and MAF lone targetman.

We were like a rag bag outfit yesterday.  The least fans deserve is to see the best / in form players selected and then it's up to the footballing gods.

It wasn't RH's best day yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
I want every single Albion player to ooze quality on the ball. We are in the PL and to have 'footballers' who aren't naturally comfortable with a ball should be out of the question.

I didn't quite mean it like that. Paul Scharner and Youssouf Mulumbu are decent ball players, certainly not up to the standards of Chris Brunt. Both Scharner or Mulumbu and probably Keith Andrews are not capable of playing a similar type ball to the one Brunty played Odemwingie at Newcastle. Mulumbu and Scharner are there to the different jobs, allowing someone like Chris Brunt to be able to have possession and dictate play.

That's not taking anything away from Mulumbu who has improved a lot with possession of the ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
JT may look more effective than Brunt, but statistically he isn't close. I agree it has been good to see JT hit a bit of form lately but his limitations are still painful to see. If JT could shoot he might have had a hattrick against Wigan but he simply can't. It is so frustrating to see him get into good position after good position only to be completely powderpuff when it comes to the execution part be it passing, crossing or shooting.

JT does have his uses, he is a good outlet, he does have good close control of the ball and his speed scare defenders and makes them fall back or double mark him which creates space for us, he also bring the ball up the field allowing us to actually attack in numbers. All of that is important.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 08:41:57 PM
IMO Thomas is a more effective player than Brunt.  He is a natural winger something Brunt is not.

I can see Brunt has talent but his positional sense is woeful. 

Brunt was effective in 2010/11 as you rightly point out (mostly towards the end of that season).

However 12 months is a long time in football.  How many good games has Brunt had this season?

JT has been immense since the start of February and no-one can deny it.

What about the months before February then? That's an awful long time to have not found any type of form whatsoever.

In fairness, the whole squad has struggled this season up until February. It was only in January when we were trying to find one player which had matched or improved on the standards they set themselves last season. In the end we found James Morrison and Jonas Olsson. The likes of Chris Brunt, Youssouf Mulumbu, Nicky Shorey, Jerome Thomas, Paul Scharner were all a part of a very long list of players which had either stalled or gone backwards. Fortunately, since we played Stoke our fortunes have changes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 08:42:58 PM
Brunt has the pace of a 33 year old who exactly?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
JT has added tackling-back to his game, Brunt is not even willing to do it never mind put it into action.

Chris Brunt has been a good player for us and I have appreciated him.  I just do not see where he fits in as we move towards 2012/13.

WBA have grown massively under Roy and it's inevitable some players are left behind.

Yes the through ball at Newcastle was wonderful.  I'm scratching my head as to what else he's produced other than assists from corners?  He hasn't yet scored direct from a free kick (to my knowledge).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
I didn't quite mean it like that. Paul Scharner and Youssouf Mulumbu are decent ball players, certainly not up to the standards of Chris Brunt. Both Scharner or Mulumbu and probably Keith Andrews are not capable of playing a similar type ball to the one Brunty played Odemwingie at Newcastle. Mulumbu and Scharner are there to the different jobs, allowing someone like Chris Brunt to be able to have possession and dictate play.

That's not taking anything away from Mulumbu who has improved a lot with possession of the ball.

Yes, my comment was more of a general rant as I want us to be a team where everybody are comfortable on the ball and our attacks doesn't stop time and time again because the ball reaches certain player(s) who cannot keep up.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
JT set up a win against by Bolton (opening the scoring), 1 of only 2 home wins before Sunlun.

I agree he wasn't up to much in the 1st half of this season.

What he provides is balance.  Brunt unfortunately upsets all of this.  And essentially that is why I'm against his selection.  I am not knocking his talent, just saying he's over rated a tad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
JT has added tackling-back to his game, Brunt is not even willing to do it never mind put it into action.

Chris Brunt has been a good player for us and I have appreciated him.  I just do not see where he fits in as we move towards 2012/13.

WBA have grown massively under Roy and it's inevitable some players are left behind.

Yes the through ball at Newcastle was wonderful.  I'm scratching my head as to what else he's produced other than assists from corners?  He hasn't yet scored direct from a free kick (to my knowledge).

We haven't grown massively, much of the football this season has been pretty dire. However, the additions of Ridgewell (Shorey is past it) and Andrews and MAF hitting form just at the right moment balanced our team. But we are still two injuries to our best players (Olsson, PO) away from being right in the relegation scrap taken over a season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
JT set up a win against by Bolton (opening the scoring), 1 of only 2 home wins before Sunlun.

I agree he wasn't up to much in the 1st half of this season.

What he provides is balance.  Brunt unfortunately upsets all of this.  And essentially that is why I'm against his selection.  I am not knocking his talent, just saying he's over rated a tad.

We struggled to accomodate PO as well when we were trying to build around Long as our leader up front. I agree Andrews balances well with Morrison and Mulumbu, not the least beacuse Andrews is stronger at tracking back than Mozza leaving Mozza to do his real work which is in the opponents half.

But I believe there are other midfield combinations possible where we can fit in Brunt. That is the challenge for Roy, to get the most out of his best players, and I don't doubt that Brunt has more in him than most of our other players, with maybe PO the clear exception. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Albion at their best as we have been for most of Feb 2012 are a force to be reckoned with.

The football against Wolves, Sunderland and Chelsea was superlative.

It's light years away from 08/09 under TM.

I think RDM was taking us down, so RH has done a super job.

It has been a big progression IMO.  If we are to carry on moving forward then some players will have to fall by the wayside.

Yesterday was abysmal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
IMO the premiership is not suited to players of Brunt's ilk.

Look at Borja Valero - he's rated as 1 of the best (listen to Guillem Balague) in La Liga, the best league in the world.  Now Borja couldn't cope with the EPL as games constantly passed him by.

This is why I can see CB has ability - it's getting it out of him in the best way possible for WBA that' s the difficult bit.  IMO it could be a forlorn task. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 09:15:20 PM
So let me get this stright, JT's one goal against Bolton is being used as a reason why Brunt shouldn't be in the team whilst not mentioning Brunts goal against the wolves, two assists against the villa, assist at newcastle and assist at Wigan (and that's off the top of my head).

What a bizzare argument.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
It's amazing how football fans see the game differently. I think Chris Brunt is more than good enough for Premier League football and would get into many clubs in the Premier League. I don't quite get this about his tracking back, his work rate is very impressive and he generally covers a lot of turf. At half time against Man United and Wigan he'd covered more turf than anybody so where does this 'lazy' tag generate from?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 09:17:36 PM
Don't let stats get in the way, liam....Thomas scored against Bolton so Brunt should be dropped.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:17:42 PM
Yes, yesterday was shocking but then we played with half the team barely fit and rusty on top of messy tactics and odd team selection.

When we had Reid and Ridgewell and Andrews with Mulumbu and Morrison suddenly we looked a solid, well balanced, side for once, simply because our most glaring weaknesses (the fullbacks) weren't so vulnerable as previously and our midfield unit matched. With MAF in rare form up top and speedy wingers we do indeed look the part.   

Also McAuley is an immense improvement over Tamas. Tamas made at least one major clanger a game, McAuley hasn't made on I can think of all season. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
Yes, my comment was more of a general rant as I want us to be a team where everybody are comfortable on the ball and our attacks doesn't stop time and time again because the ball reaches certain player(s) who cannot keep up.

Me too. I'd love us to have a similar style to Swansea, or players which are able to copy their style of football. We have a good mixture of footballers. Technically gifted players such as James Morrison, Chris Brunt and Graham Dorrans, and your warriors which are able to do the dirty side; Mulumbu, Scharner & Andrews.

Fitting these into a system which suits everyone is often the problem. Although Scharner isn't great with the ball, he certainly isn't useless and does have his uses.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
IMO the premiership is not suited to players of Brunt's ilk.

Look at Borja Valero - he's rated as 1 of the best (listen to Guillem Balague) in La Liga, the best league in the world.  Now Borja couldn't cope with the EPL as games constantly passed him by.

This is why I can see CB has ability - it's getting it out of him in the best way possible for WBA that' s the difficult bit.  IMO it could be a forlorn task.

We need to raise our game to the level of the Borja's and Brunt's - not lower it to accomodate lesser players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on March 18, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
I think Brunt is top quality.  Yes he has flaws to his game, like all of our players do, but his pros definitely outweight the cons.
 
With Brunts touch, passing abilty and his eye for a through pass as well as his set pieces threat he has to be in the team.
 
If Roy stays on I'd like to see him work on the defensive part of his game, if he isnt already, because players with his creativity, as the stats also suggest, tend to cost a fair bit more than hes worth.
 
He wont play as a winger any more.  He just doesnt possess the pace we need in the setup we have.   In the near future I see him playing the role Schweinsteiger does for Bayern and Germany and also Carrick for United.  Neither blessed with pace but can orchestrate play. I'm not saying Brunt is in that class before people accuse me of being deluded but thats what I believe we are trying to do with him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
So let me get this stright, JT's one goal against Bolton is being used as a reason why Brunt shouldn't be in the team whilst not mentioning Brunts goal against the wolves, two assists against the villa, assist at newcastle and assist at Wigan (and that's off the top of my head).

What a bizzare argument.

JT has achieved more than scoring just 1 goal - you know that.  You think JT should make way then?  I'm not trying to belittle CB, I have praised his talent, but he puts our balance out-of-sync.

Our best performances have come with him being out the team!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 09:21:29 PM
Don't let stats get in the way, liam....Thomas scored against Bolton so Brunt should be dropped.

I don't intend to.

This despite Chris Brunt finishing top of the assist chart last season and I'd also bet against him being near the very top, despite missing a good 6-7 weeks with injury.

His goal against Wolves cancels out the Thomas goal against Bolton if thats the game we're playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:23:06 PM
Schweinstiger is like a greyhound compared to Brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 09:25:15 PM
I'm not having a go at Thomas btw, he is an important squad player, although a completely different one to brunty.

Thomas attacks teams and targets certain areas where's brunt is more of a lock picker who can pick a pass or deliver a match winning assist.

I'm just seeing someone go to quite bizzare lengths to make a point about brunt, like compare him to a totally different player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:28:07 PM
I'm sorry but we were a rabble at Man U and Wigan with Brunt in the side.  It's chalk and cheese from what happened before.

Do you see it getting any better next week if this side is picked?  Because I don't.  In fact play like we did yesterday and it's a shoe-in 3 pts for Newcastle.

The midfield is just a complete mess, nobody knowing where they are playing.  It's a team game not about accomodating someone in the off chance he assists from a corner.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
What I would say is, If Roy is thinking about using the 433 formation going into next season (which I don't think he will) then we'll certainly have to invest in a pacy winger of two if this is the problems its going to cause when either JT or Odemwingie are missing. We've still got Zoltan Gera to come back so I can see us ditching this current formation in the near future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:32:16 PM
I am comparing JT to CB becasue they are competing for the same place!

Brunt is supposed to be a winger by trade so the comparison is there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:33:02 PM
I'm sorry but we were a rabble at Man U and Wigan with Brunt in the side.  It's chalk and cheese from what happened before.

Do you see it getting any better next week if this side is picked?  Because I don't.  In fact play like we did yesterday and it's a shoe-in 3 pts for Newcastle.

The midfield is just a complete mess, nobody knowing where they are playing.  It's a team game not about accomodating someone in the off chance he assists from a corner.

Our real problem is rb with Reid out, that's why we lost shape against ManU when Tamas was being picked apart. Wigan was a complete mess overall, backline, midfield and forward - it's not about Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 09:34:45 PM
JT is a winger, Brunt is a midfielder.

Its like saying Ashley Young and David Beckham are the same player.

Your argument is patchy at best and irrational at worst.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
Our real problem is rb with Reid out, that's why we lost shape against ManU when Tamas was being picked apart. Wigan was a complete mess overall, backline, midfield and forward - it's not about Brunt.

It is about Brunt because he's the 1 player responsible for loss of shape, cutting in all the time, it's just so obvious!

We've struggled all season with a crab midfield up until Feb 2012 and all of a sudden we hit our straps.  Now the crabs are back and it's all gone to pot (it would have to be lobster to qualify for a joke :P)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 09:39:46 PM
I'm not stupid (some might beg to differ !!) and I wouldn't dispute others clubs would snap him up given half a chance. I also wouldn't write off his ability and as far as I am aware I have never done so. I know he has qualities but for me he is best used as a wide player, his best games for us have come as a wide player, he came as a wide player and played an important role out there. He has one of the best left foots around and one of the best ways of scoring a goal is getting a cross into the box (its how we concede many of them).  I remember Bednars debut at Plymouth where one of his goals came from a cracking Brunt cross.

In the middle at times he looks lost and the game passes him by. Yes he will put the odd pass through but in the main he is not suited to that position and I would pick the other midfielders at the club over him every time. He might have the odd good game in there but overall I doubt he will become a succesful centre midfielder in the Prem.

I wasn't implying you had ever written him off I did say "some" referring to various comments I have seen. That said I agree with your synopsis in general. One of the really negative aspects of his drifting into the middle is the lack of balance across the pitch that this creates. Like you I think he is an out and out wide player. I think he can be effective on either side but on the left he can swing in a beautiful delivery at times almost impossible to defend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
It is about Brunt because he's the 1 player responsible for loss of shape, cutting in all the time, it's just so obvious!

We've struggled all season with a crab midfield up until Feb 2012 and all of a sudden we hit our straps.  Now the crabs are back and it's all gone to pot (it would have to be lobster to qualify for a joke :P)

The crab midfield is down to Roy's ideas this season, until he saw the light and finally went with a fluid 451. We tried that for 10 minutes against United until Tamas got picked apart then Roy pulled our lines back and that was that, game over.

It's not about Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
JT is a winger, Brunt is a midfielder.

Its like saying Ashley Young and David Beckham are the same player.

Your argument is patchy at best and irrational at worst.

You imply I don't know much about football.  Well I watch an awful lot and always look to see the big picture. Just becuase you see me as controversial, you go defensive.

While we're on the subject of Man U, their strength is in their wide players Nani / Valencia / Young.  All of which are quality wingers.  They counter attack with such pace.  We would be wise to use the best as a benchmark. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
JT is a winger, Brunt is a midfielder.

Its like saying Ashley Young and David Beckham are the same player.

Your argument is patchy at best and irrational at worst.

Quite agree Rowley. Another thing for me is there is a clear difference between a winger and a wide midfield player. You dont have to necessarily have searing pace to play in wide areas. Using your analogy JT has pace to get to the byline CB does not but then JT isnt the best crosser of a ball CB is. So completely different players who can occupy the same space.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
If you pay more attention to all that football you'd know the difference between a winger and a midfielder.

Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson plus Brunts international managers have all had him as an integral part of their teams - so making out he's just a roy favourite is also somewhat flippant.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:55:28 PM
Earlier in the season, we didn't do well becasue of a lack of pace in CM.  Scharner and Brunt being the culprits.

It's just amazing that people see fit to go back to that style for the remainder of 2011/12 and torpedo any hope of a top half finish!

Maybe it's me, it seems like I'm watching a different match to the rest!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Well, there is a reason those wingers play for United. They are fast, have excellent ball control and they can all shoot, pass and cross...

United's counter attack plan is pretty simple - play the ball up to Rooney who has dropped down, Rooney plays the ball out to the wingers (normally right wing) often with one touch - the winger then drives the ball upfield with speed while three or four United players, including Rooney and the winger on the opposite side, attack the box. Then the winger either cuts in or plays a ball to the attacking players and hey presto United score again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Well, there is a reason those wingers play for United. They are fast, have excellent ball control and they can all shoot, pass and cross...

United's counter attack plan is pretty simple - play the ball up to Rooney who has dropped down, Rooney plays the ball out to the wingers (normally right wing) often with one touch - the winger then drives the ball upfield with speed while three or four United players, including Rooney and the winger on the opposite side, attack the box. Then the winger either cuts in or plays a ball to the attacking players and hey presto United score again.

And this is precisely what we were doing at an albeit lesser level pre Man U match.

So now we undo it all - unbelievable.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
So people not looking to define and hang a scapegoat after a ten men 2-0 defeat at a domestically on fire man united and a point away with a load of fitness problems against a team fighting for their lives are happy to "torpedo" a top half finish?

Hillarious.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 10:00:47 PM
Earlier in the season, we didn't do well becasue of a lack of pace in CM.  Scharner and Brunt being the culprits.

It's just amazing that people see fit to go back to that style for the remainder of 2011/12 and torpedo any hope of a top half finish!

Maybe it's me, it seems like I'm watching a different match to the rest!

Earlier in the season we were playing a glaical 442 that didn't suit our players at all. It wasn't only the midfield that had problems but also the attack, we were very ponderous and out of sync overall. I think most of us want to keep the dynamic 451.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
Earlier in the season, we didn't do well becasue of a lack of pace in CM.  Scharner and Brunt being the culprits.

It's just amazing that people see fit to go back to that style for the remainder of 2011/12 and torpedo any hope of a top half finish!

Maybe it's me, it seems like I'm watching a different match to the rest!

dont think pace has anything to do with it. more recently its the balance thats been better having a right sided forward player and a centre forward who has held the ball up incredibly well. dont get your point about not doing well either. we havnt lost more than two games on the spin all season? a solid season id say?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 10:02:14 PM
If you pay more attention to all that football you'd know the difference between a winger and a midfielder.

Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson plus Brunts international managers have all had him as an integral part of their teams - so making out he's just a roy favourite is also somewhat flippant.

You're speaking in past tense.  Yes CB was more than good enough for West Brom.  However times have changed, we as fans need to embrace a better quality team.  Now MOVING FORWARD is he good enough anymore?  (which is the original thread title).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
No word on the list of brunt assists as yet btw.

What was it off the top of my head? Villa, Wigan and newcastle (7 points there, all directly assisted by brunt), using these examples and the opta stats to crush the lazy myth yes, he most certainly is good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
You're speaking in past tense.  Yes CB was more than good enough for West Brom.  However times have changed, we as fans need to embrace a better quality team.  Now MOVING FORWARD is he good enough anymore?  (which is the original thread title).

way more than just good enough
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
No word on the list of brunt assists as yet btw.

What was it off the top of my head? Villa, Wigan and newcastle (7 points there, all directly assisted by brunt), using these examples and the opta stats to crush the lazy myth yes, he most certainly is good enough.

I take it you enjoyed the last 2 performances? 

Yes he does assist, I've never stated he doesn't assist have I?  Have yet to see him head, tackle, run hard, shout instructions as captain.  All vital components of a footballers game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 10:09:54 PM
As a football fan I know not every game will be to my liking.

The running myth is blown apart by the stats, he does close down and the players respect him as captain - you are struggling badly now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 10:10:32 PM
So people not looking to define and hang a scapegoat after a ten men 2-0 defeat at a domestically on fire man united and a point away with a load of fitness problems against a team fighting for their lives are happy to "torpedo" a top half finish?

Hillarious.

You've got very low expectations mate if you're satisfied with last 2 matches.  Fans like you hold the club back - accepting mediocrity. 

Do you see a win v Newcastle with the same team deployed?  I don't see finishing below Villa in the top half hilarious do you?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 18, 2012, 10:11:33 PM
"Fans like me"

Game, set, match and goodnight. You have officially run out of coherant argument so I'm off to bed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
I take it you enjoyed the last 2 performances? 

Yes he does assist, I've never stated he doesn't assist have I?  Have yet to see him head, tackle, run hard, shout instructions as captain.  All vital components of a footballers game.

To be frank, Chris Brunt is very good in the air. He played a massive part in Scott Carson's distribution last year. He has a very good standing jump, I suggest you take a look when Ben Foster takes a goal kick. Although, Foster goal kicks are normally quickly taken towards Shane Long.

I also think thats a myth about Brunt not being able to tackle. Certainly makes his fair share, some successful, some not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 10:13:26 PM
Struggling with what exactly?  I don't care about any OPTA stats they don't mean anything.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 10:15:35 PM
Brunt is quite a good header of the ball, we don't use that enough. As for running he is often statistically the player that runs the most, because he tries to defend, attack and get on the ball!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 18, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
Struggling with what exactly?  I don't care about any OPTA stats they don't mean anything.

How do coaching staff analyse performances and areas of improvement?

In todays day and age Opta Stats and the like are key to providing development of a player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
"Fans like me"

Game, set, match and goodnight. You have officially run out of coherant argument so I'm off to bed.

Game, Set and Match - I haven't played Tennis for ages  :P

Why are you competing against me?

Why try and bully me into submission?

Who adjudicated that you won on points?

My opinion is just as valid as yours.

For the record I've enjoyed the deabte - it's been fun.

Chill out buddy, life is short.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 18, 2012, 11:41:41 PM
good defensively great shot doesnt seem to score enough goals!
one of the best headers of the ball in the team with an salmon esc standing leap

last 2 games he just has lacked match fittness and sharpness we are forgetting he has been out injured for a fair amount of time.

unsure of his effectiveness in the 4-3-3/4-5-1 system we are using at the moment. hes of more use in a conventional 4-4-2. as he doesnt have the pace of jt to play as the offensive winger. similar to fact that i think shane long struggles in that system as he is neither a winger nor a target man.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on March 18, 2012, 11:46:51 PM
What a delivery for our goal on Saturday.

He's the most underrated player at our club people don't fancy him for some reason it's an intriguing situation.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 18, 2012, 11:56:13 PM
we have scored a hell of a lot of goals from his set peices this season and last season!
 sunderland away morrisons header brunt freekick
aston villa away both goals game from brunt corners (although second from the after events)
newcastle away mcauley goal was a brunt set piece well worked (odemwingie goal was brunt assist)

last season he got a fair few away.

under rated indeed.

horses for courses though. as it stands i think JT and odemwingie or Tchoyi suit the way we are playing at the moment
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 63Brummie on March 19, 2012, 02:10:15 AM
Brunt is an excellent midfielder but our current system just doesn't suit him. Midfield now looks disjointed, if they are supposed to be inter-changing then to have Scharner out wide and Brunt in the middle whilst trying to defend is pointless.

Our fast attacking side is brought to a standstill at times. I wouldn't write him off though as he does possess quality but I don't think we miss him as much as people try to make out at times.

Well said Oldboy..
It's my feeling that Brunty should have been kept on the bench, too many changes were made from a winning side and the rhythm was lost. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 19, 2012, 09:08:30 AM
In 22 appearances this season he's provided 6 direct assists, that means he has laid on 17% of our total goals scored talley despite being out for 8 weeks.

I don't think that even includes goals from corners that touched another player before being put in.

Good enough? Yes.
Important to us? Yes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 09:41:04 AM
never rated him as i have said on here before, and never will since he as come back our shape as gone all he does his mess up moan wave his hands and blames everyone else, never chases back and his not good enough. if we want to push on we must replace cb.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on March 19, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
never rated him as i have said on here before, and never will since he as come back our shape as gone all he does his mess up moan wave his hands and blames everyone else, never chases back and his not good enough. if we want to push on we must replace cb.

He got the assist for our goal though and it was a great ball.

Morrison has been taking corners well in his absence but against Chelsea he was poor with set pieces. As soon as Brunt comes on we looked dangerous from corners and as a result scored from one...

Like I always say EASILY the most underrated player in our team and one of the most underrated in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 19, 2012, 03:04:07 PM
never rated him as i have said on here before, and never will since he as come back our shape as gone all he does his mess up moan wave his hands and blames everyone else, never chases back and his not good enough. if we want to push on we must replace cb.

I rather suspect the people who make the decisions about the playing staff strongly disagree with your view in every respect. "all he does is mess up and moan wave his hands and blame everyone else" Is this a metaphor for "Im passionate about my job and I care about how we perform". "never chases back and is not good enough" how the poor lad has ever made it as a professional in the PL I'll never know.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 03:07:39 PM
I rather suspect the people who make the decisions about the playing staff strongly disagree with your view in every respect. "all he does is mess up and moan wave his hands and blame everyone else" Is this a metaphor for "Im passionate about my job and I care about how we perform". "never chases back and is not good enough" how the poor lad has ever made it as a professional in the PL I'll never know.
neither will i!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
I rather suspect the people who make the decisions about the playing staff strongly disagree with your view in every respect. "all he does is mess up and moan wave his hands and blame everyone else" Is this a metaphor for "Im passionate about my job and I care about how we perform". "never chases back and is not good enough" how the poor lad has ever made it as a professional in the PL I'll never know.
my view yes you have yours i have mine everyone as a view, pitty we dont all agree with each other isnt it,then we could close the message boards down and not bother to have a view.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
never rated him as i have said on here before, and never will since he as come back our shape as gone all he does his mess up moan wave his hands and blames everyone else, never chases back and his not good enough. if we want to push on we must replace cb.

Never chases back? He's ran more metres than Mulumbu of late. The stats I saw going into half time against United and Wigan had him first for covering the most distance so I would say he does his fair share of chasing back. Our shape went on Saturday because of the injury to Peter Odemwingie. We then chucked Chris Brunt into the formation hoping it would work when it quite clearly wouldn't.

Chris Brunt is a very good footballer and one who catches the attention of most football fans across the country, certainly the ones I talk to. Just a shame some of our supporters don't see how good and important he is for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on March 19, 2012, 05:07:23 PM
Good player or not ( i personally think he is a very good player) to me it is glaringly obvious that he ruins our shape when he plays thus breaking down our attacks, we looked more threatening going forward before he came back as Pete was out on the wing and Thomas in his favoured LM position offer alot more width.

 Brunt drifts inside far too much, leaving the full back to do all the attacking/defending down his side and putting pressure on Thomas to have a good game as our only real attacking outlet in midfield. I like Brunt and on his day he can be superb, but i feel the way Hodgson likes us to play (as a unit with everyone sticking to their roles) does not lend itself well to Brunt being on the pitch.

Our best spell of the season, he wasnt in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on March 19, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
Hes a little like Greening was towards the end totally slows us down.Since he has been back in the team we have gone back to bad old ways.I ain't saying hes a bad player just a lazy player who occasionally assits. Not consistent enough for me and most definitely not a captain. Olsson should be our captain.Brunt don't motivate and moans to much
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2012, 05:17:12 PM
Maybe the reason we've apparently gone back to our old ways is because against United and Wigan we've missed influential players? United we missed Thomas and against Wigan we missed Odemwingie.

Perhaps this is the reason rather than blaming Chris Brunt. Or perhaps maybe Roy should of changed the system knowing we were without Odemwingie and that Chris Brunt is a complete different kettle of fish with him lacking the pace Odemwingie has to make the 433 effective.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Hes a little like Greening was towards the end totally slows us down.Since he has been back in the team we have gone back to bad old ways.I ain't saying hes a bad player just a lazy player who occasionally assits. Not consistent enough for me and most definitely not a captain. Olsson should be our captain.Brunt don't motivate and moans to much

I can't take the comments such as 'lazy' in honesty. He covered more distance than anybody against Wigan and United, so how can that justify a lazy tag? Infact, where does that tag even generate from? As for the occasionally assists, that's also coswollop. He's an influential player to the team, his assists and his general footballing vision are all cons for him to be in the starting eleven. As well as that he's also capable of chipping in with goals as he proved under the Mowbray season and with his opener against the Wolves this year.

The consistency of the team has also been poor this season. Not just Chris Brunt. Up until February the consistency of the side has been awful with several players been called for the drop or to be sold prior to our game with Wolves

Also on the captaincy. Maybe he's well respected by his fellow peers which makes it an obvious decision? We don't see what happens on the training field to say 'he shouldn't be captain'. Chris Brunt is the captain and that decision is supported by Roy and Brunt's team mates.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 19, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Never chases back? He's ran more metres than Mulumbu of late. The stats I saw going into half time against United and Wigan had him first for covering the most distance so I would say he does his fair share of chasing back. Our shape went on Saturday because of the injury to Peter Odemwingie. We then chucked Chris Brunt into the formation hoping it would work when it quite clearly wouldn't.

Chris Brunt is a very good footballer and one who catches the attention of most football fans across the country, certainly the ones I talk to. Just a shame some of our supporters don't see how good and important he is for us.

Can I ask you a question Liam?

Were you actually at the United and Wigan games?

Or did you watch them via TV and/or online?

This isn't intended to be a knock at you BTW but I am interested in how and why you put so much stead into 'the stats'. I'm sure we are all aware of the old saying of "lies, damned lies and statistics" but as some one who was there at both games let me confirm that despite what the statistics might say Brunt was very, very poor in both and that is an observed perception on my, and many others part not a statistic. To merely quote that he runs around a lot and gives the occasional assists fails to recognise the observable negatives that many of see currently pervade his game. Perhaps the statistics should also say "he runs about quite a lot but quite slowly" and "that much of the time the direction of his runs are back towards our goal or inside across an approaching team mates path" or "puts in a rubbish pass miles away from his team mates feet" and then that puts a different slant on the statistics. I don't actually think Brunt is rubbish or should be sold but I do think he has, for a number of reasons, contributed quite negatively in our last two games and that the statistics don't begin to tell the true story.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Can I ask you a question Liam?

Were you actually at the United and Wigan games?

Or did you watch them via TV and/or online?

This isn't intended to be a knock at you BTW but I am interested in how and why you put so much stead into 'the stats'. I'm sure we are all aware of the old saying of "lies, damned lies and statistics" but as some one who was there at both games let me confirm that despite what the statistics might say Brunt was very, very poor in both and that is an observed perception on my, and many others part not a statistic. To merely quote that he runs around a lot and gives the occasional assists fails to recognise the observable negatives that many of see currently pervade his game. Perhaps the statistics should also say "he runs about quite a lot but quite slowly" and "that much of the time the direction of his runs are back towards our goal or inside across an approaching team mates path" or "puts in a rubbish pass miles away from his team mates feet" and then that puts a different slant on the statistics. I don't actually think Brunt is rubbish or should be sold but I do think he has, for a number of reasons, contributed quite negatively in our last two games and that the statistics don't begin to tell the true story.

That made me laugh actually!  :D

I watched them at the pub so you're probably in the better advantage to comment. I'm not trying to say that Chris Brunt had two absolute worldies because I'll admit myself, he's hasn't been at the top of his game producing the form we know he's capable of. However, he's only just recovered from a lengthy lay off so I guess he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I used the stat merely as proof that he isn't lazy as some point out, I've always thought he'd been a hard worker, although defensively not as good as he possibly can be, certainly a flaw in his game which he can work at. The stats weren't neccasrily used to cover his poor performances, more to show that the statistics show he's not as lazy as is made out.

I'll also happily admit that the system doesn't suit Chris Brunt and getting him to fullfil the boots of someone like Peter Odemwingie was always going to be difficult and therefore I personally feel a change of formation would of suited the side better. However, I fully understand Roy's thoughts in leaving things the same going on current form the past few weeks.

If both Thomas and Odemwingie are available, I would quite rightly have Chris Brunt on the bench so it doesn't disturb the rhythm we have created of late and if Brunt is needed, perhaps a change of system is needed also. I just feel that Chris Brunt is a very influential player for us and one of high importance. In answer to your question, No, I wasn't at the game, I was at the pub enjoying a rather tasty chicken tikka!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 19, 2012, 07:01:20 PM
After 8 weeks out he is still directly responsible for 17% of our goals scored plus how many has he delivered the ball in and we've ended up scoring.

If that's not influential I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2012, 07:49:39 PM
Great left foot, but you can't accommodate a player purely on his crossing ability. We need to go back to the Wolves / Sunderland /Chelsea XI v Newcastle
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 19, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
Great left foot, but you can't accommodate a player purely on his crossing ability. We need to go back to the Wolves / Sunderland /Chelsea XI v Newcastle

Brunt is also our best playmaker, that's why he is drifting inside looking for the ball. Last season it worked well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 11:52:00 PM
just come in from the boozer been with a load of albion fans all st holders all go away all have an oppinion there oppinion and believe it or not i never said a word is that with  brunt in the team our shape goes morrison becomes in efective and our best perfmances have come without him. i told them i had said all this on here (they have sense they dont come on here)and people had tried to shout me down. we cant all be wrong!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 20, 2012, 09:44:27 AM
albion59, believe it or not. you can all be wrong. I'm not saying you are, just you can. a three game run does not a team make. we played 4-5-1 last season and did fine with Brunt in the team. Now it's slightly different with the same players. Last season we excelled at the start and then fell apart then came back again this season is pretty much the same but more consistant.

You can blame any number of things in a match. It CANNOT be a single player. What about the other 4 changes. Shorey couldn't defend and pushed foward when it wasn't needed, did all 5 of them not suit 4-5-1? how about missing the Vice-captain and the only player in the defence barring Shorey to not come in this season? who was meant to lead? Was it just an off game? Underexpectation of the opposition? the manager experimenting?

Shame for you Hodgson sees it fit to make yet more changes in the following games.  ::)

P.S. (to the tune of ridin' dirty)
We see you trolling, we hatin'. cause you've been going round and acting nerdy
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2012, 10:31:57 AM
albion59, believe it or not. you can all be wrong. I'm not saying you are, just you can. a three game run does not a team make. we played 4-5-1 last season and did fine with Brunt in the team. Now it's slightly different with the same players. Last season we excelled at the start and then fell apart then came back again this season is pretty much the same but more consistant.

You can blame any number of things in a match. It CANNOT be a single player. What about the other 4 changes. Shorey couldn't defend and pushed foward when it wasn't needed, did all 5 of them not suit 4-5-1? how about missing the Vice-captain and the only player in the defence barring Shorey to not come in this season? who was meant to lead? Was it just an off game? Underexpectation of the opposition? the manager experimenting?

Shame for you Hodgson sees it fit to make yet more changes in the following games.  ::)

P.S. (to the tune of ridin' dirty)
We see you trolling, we hatin'. cause you've been going round and acting nerdy
i am not trolling i am giving my view which when the last time  i looked isnt a crime. just because you and others on here dont agree with me there is no need to get nasty and personal. (ps i love people who hide behind a computer screen)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
i am not trolling i am giving my view which when the last time  i looked isnt a crime. just because you and others on here dont agree with me there is no need to get nasty and personal. (ps i love people who hide behind a computer screen)

I am with you all the way on this one Albion59
I agree morrison is less effective when Brunt is in the same team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
I am with you all the way on this one Albion59
I agree morrison is less effective when Brunt is in the same team
thank you!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
albion59, believe it or not. you can all be wrong. I'm not saying you are, just you can. a three game run does not a team make. we played 4-5-1 last season and did fine with Brunt in the team. Now it's slightly different with the same players. Last season we excelled at the start and then fell apart then came back again this season is pretty much the same but more consistant.

You can blame any number of things in a match. It CANNOT be a single player. What about the other 4 changes. Shorey couldn't defend and pushed foward when it wasn't needed, did all 5 of them not suit 4-5-1? how about missing the Vice-captain and the only player in the defence barring Shorey to not come in this season? who was meant to lead? Was it just an off game? Underexpectation of the opposition? the manager experimenting?

Shame for you Hodgson sees it fit to make yet more changes in the following games.  ::)

P.S. (to the tune of ridin' dirty)
We see you trolling, we hatin'. cause you've been going round and acting nerdy

Can we cut the petty comments out then please, new member or not comments aimed at getting a reaction from another member are not wanted or welcome on this forum, other inferior forums maybe but not this one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
If people persist on the petty comments then the topic will be locked, either post a constructive comment or don't post at all, simple really.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 20, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
I do like Brunt. I think he's improved his game over the years he has been here and he has been a vital player for us and I believe he will be for a few more years. I only have a couple of issues with him. His insistence on cutting inside at every opportunity often leaving gaps in midfield to be exploited and the fact that I don't think he is captain material.

We lose balance when he drifts too often and we end up with full-backs exposed and if he could curb that a little I think we would see a better player in all honesty. I find myself extremely frustrated with him at times because of his drifting from position but he is one of those players that has that little extra quality that can unlock a defence and his set play delivery is very good.

I just don't think he is a leader, he will always look to scream at others when things go wrong even if its partly his fault in the first place. The role of captain is hard for fans to judge as they will do a lot of work off the pitch in the changing room that we don't see but when it comes to leadership on the pitch I don't think he is the right man for the job but there aren't that many candidates for the job in reality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 20, 2012, 12:04:51 PM

Throughout this thread and in various others in the past, I have consistently come across several myths about Chris Brunt.

1)   He’s lazy
2)   He can’t head the ball
3)    He has no right foot

1- The view of Chris Brunt being lazy is so outdated it’s untrue, yet many fans continue to cling to this argument as if we’re still in the 2007/2008 season.  His work rate and tracking back has improved tremendously in recent seasons and to label him lazy is quite frankly a lazy argument in itself. If you go to the games and see Chris Brunt in action, to label him lazy is an insult to the player himself and the work he does for the team.

2- Those who say Chris Brunt can’t head must have been watching a different team to me over the past few seasons. When he plays 90% of our goal kicks are aimed towards him. Why? Because he is extremely effective at beating his full back in the air. To say he can’t head is a complete fallacy and appears to be an argument conjured up out of thin air.

3- I almost think Chris Brunt suffers in some respect because his left foot is that good that in comparison his right foot looks below par. However, I have seen Chris Brunt deliver a decent right footed cross on quite a few occasions and he is more than capable on his weaker foot. I find this argument flawed when you consider the rest of our team and how good they are on their weaker foot. I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that the likes of Morrison, Thomas, Mulumbu, Scharner, Fortune, Long, Shorey, Reid, Ridgewell, Olsson etc are better on their weaker foots than Chris Brunt.

When you see people suggesting Chris Brunt isn’t good enough or quick enough for the PL after two games it just slams home the fickle nature of football fans. Let’s not consider the fact that he was in the top 5 for PL assists last season or that he scored 11 PL in the TM season. It might also be worth considering that the guy has been out for 3 / 4 months. Is it really fair to expect him to come in and hit the ground running?

Saying all the above, I do think that we look better balanced with JT out there (who himself is subject to a few myths and over the top criticisms) at present as I do think he suits the system better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2012, 12:16:44 PM
Throughout this thread and in various others in the past, I have consistently come across several myths about Chris Brunt.

1)   He’s lazy
2)   He can’t head the ball
3)    He has no right foot

1- The view of Chris Brunt being lazy is so outdated it’s untrue, yet many fans continue to cling to this argument as if we’re still in the 2007/2008 season.  His work rate and tracking back has improved tremendously in recent seasons and to label him lazy is quite frankly a lazy argument in itself. If you go to the games and see Chris Brunt in action, to label him lazy is an insult to the player himself and the work he does for the team.

2- Those who say Chris Brunt can’t head must have been watching a different team to me over the past few seasons. When he plays 90% of our goal kicks are aimed towards him. Why? Because he is extremely effective at beating his full back in the air. To say he can’t head is a complete fallacy and appears to be an argument conjured up out of thin air.

3- I almost think Chris Brunt suffers in some respect because his left foot is that good that in comparison his right foot looks below par. However, I have seen Chris Brunt deliver a decent right footed cross on quite a few occasions and he is more than capable on his weaker foot. I find this argument flawed when you consider the rest of our team and how good they are on their weaker foot. I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that the likes of Morrison, Thomas, Mulumbu, Scharner, Fortune, Long, Shorey, Reid, Ridgewell, Olsson etc are better on their weaker foots than Chris Brunt.

When you see people suggesting Chris Brunt isn’t good enough or quick enough for the PL after two games it just slams home the fickle nature of football fans. Let’s not consider the fact that he was in the top 5 for PL assists last season or that he scored 11 PL in the TM season. It might also be worth considering that the guy has been out for 3 / 4 months. Is it really fair to expect him to come in and hit the ground running?

Saying all the above, I do think that we look better balanced with JT out there (who himself is subject to a few myths and over the top criticisms) at present as I do think he suits the system better.

I wouldn't argue with any of that to be fair and I do think he is a quality player, I just don't think we do enough to get the best of him and as i've said to you recently I just don't see him as a central player but just because I have that view doesn't mean I don't rate the bloke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tonbrom on March 20, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
When you see people suggesting Chris Brunt isn’t good enough or quick enough for the PL after two games it just slams home the fickle nature of football fans. Let’s not consider the fact that he was in the top 5 for PL assists last season or that he scored 11 PL in the TM season. It might also be worth considering that the guy has been out for 3 / 4 months. Is it really fair to expect him to come in and hit the ground running?

Saying all the above, I do think that we look better balanced with JT out there (who himself is subject to a few myths and over the top criticisms) at present as I do think he suits the system better.

Why do you sound surprised that a bunch of people on the internet is being completely unfair to someone famous. We all like find ourselves a scapegoat to slam on when thing aren't perfect. Brunt just happened to be there with his history of being lazy
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
Why do you sound surprised that a bunch of people on the internet is being completely unfair to someone famous. We all like find ourselves a scapegoat to slam on when thing aren't perfect. Brunt just happened to be there with his history of being lazy

You mean people on the internet who follow West Brom are discussing a player and not everyone agrees ?

Why is it when someone says something about a player that doesn't follow the party line on a forum which is the best place to do it they get accused of creating a scapegoat ?

Its called having an opinion on something.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 20, 2012, 12:33:01 PM
I understand that concern Oldbury. Fair enough if you or other people don't see him as a CM or think he unbalances the system we've been utilising recently. I just find it startling how quickly some of our players are written off after a few bad games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2012, 12:37:24 PM
Why do you sound surprised that a bunch of people on the internet is being completely unfair to someone famous. We all like find ourselves a scapegoat to slam on when thing aren't perfect. Brunt just happened to be there with his history of being lazy
its not being unfair some people like brunt some dont, i never rated kevin donavon a lot of people did, i loved ian hamilton a lot of people didnt football will always be this way. 30,000 people can watch a game and everyone will see it differently there is nothing wrong with that. if we all agreed there be no arguments and heated discussions in the pub after the game or on here would there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on March 20, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
We all see a different game, hes not my favourite that's for sure.My favourite is Maf, now look at the stick hes got from some.
I do agree Morrison looks more effective when Brunt is not in the team.If Thomas is fit i would like to see the Team that started against Sunderland this coming Sunday, we certainly didnt miss him when he was out injured.Teams better when Olsson is captain too
I would not be crying if we sold Brunt if and when but that's just little old me and my humble
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 20, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
I do like Brunt. I think he's improved his game over the years he has been here and he has been a vital player for us and I believe he will be for a few more years. I only have a couple of issues with him. His insistence on cutting inside at every opportunity often leaving gaps in midfield to be exploited and the fact that I don't think he is captain material.

We lose balance when he drifts too often and we end up with full-backs exposed and if he could curb that a little I think we would see a better player in all honesty. I find myself extremely frustrated with him at times because of his drifting from position but he is one of those players that has that little extra quality that can unlock a defence and his set play delivery is very good.

I just don't think he is a leader, he will always look to scream at others when things go wrong even if its partly his fault in the first place. The role of captain is hard for fans to judge as they will do a lot of work off the pitch in the changing room that we don't see but when it comes to leadership on the pitch I don't think he is the right man for the job but there aren't that many candidates for the job in reality.

BH i agree with you that when he drifts inside too much we lose balance across the pitch but I cant agree with some of your other points. I think CB really has little choice but to cut in since he is a left footed player who is employed invariably on the right wing as jerome thomas who is the exact opposite. So I dont see that as an issue with him rather the coach who deploys him there. If he played consistently on the left then i would imagine he would go for the byline more often than not.
I also dont see a problem with him as captain. He is a senior player and one that is very vocal. Just what you want from a captain. I dare say no one would complain if Jonas was made captain and he is always screaming at other players. But i couldnt agree more with your view on that extra bit of quality he brings Chris Brunt is a classy footballer. I would love to see him given a good run in the team on the left hand side
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2012, 02:35:44 PM
BH i agree with you that when he drifts inside too much we lose balance across the pitch but I cant agree with some of your other points. I think CB really has little choice but to cut in since he is a left footed player who is employed invariably on the right wing as jerome thomas who is the exact opposite. So I dont see that as an issue with him rather the coach who deploys him there. If he played consistently on the left then i would imagine he would go for the byline more often than not.
I also dont see a problem with him as captain. He is a senior player and one that is very vocal. Just what you want from a captain. I dare say no one would complain if Jonas was made captain and he is always screaming at other players. But i couldnt agree more with your view on that extra bit of quality he brings Chris Brunt is a classy footballer. I would love to see him given a good run in the team on the left hand side

Possibly his two best performances this season were at Blackburn and Newcastle where he was on the left drifting in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 20, 2012, 02:47:22 PM
Possibly his two best performances this season were at Blackburn and Newcastle where he was on the left drifting in.

Arguably the best left sided crosser in the PL is Evertons Leighton Baines. Brunt has every bit as a left peg as him. Seems a shame we dont get more of that from him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 20, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
He needs to get his decision making right when it comes to drifting inside. He can't do it all the time as it leaves us wide open, if he picked his moments more carefully it could be a good tactic as its worked before. I just don't like the fact that he seems to drift inside at every opportunity, makes him far too predictable and allows the opposition to exploit the space he leaves easily.

The laziness tag stems from his lack of real pace and his running style. He does get caught ball watching a bit but who doesn't?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
His lazy tag come from his Sheff Wed days
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rolfestreet on March 20, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
He needs to get his decision making right when it comes to drifting inside. He can't do it all the time as it leaves us wide open, if he picked his moments more carefully it could be a good tactic as its worked before. I just don't like the fact that he seems to drift inside at every opportunity, makes him far too predictable and allows the opposition to exploit the space he leaves easily.

I think this is my major gripe with brunt at the moment, you cant deny he is a good footballer but i find him frustrating alot of the time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 20, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
He needs to get his decision making right when it comes to drifting inside. He can't do it all the time as it leaves us wide open, if he picked his moments more carefully it could be a good tactic as its worked before. I just don't like the fact that he seems to drift inside at every opportunity, makes him far too predictable and allows the opposition to exploit the space he leaves easily.

The laziness tag stems from his lack of real pace and his running style. He does get caught ball watching a bit but who doesn't?

Agreed. Many other teams in the league seem to deploy their players on their natural footed side. Why dont we? Suspect Roy likes the compactness defensively that doing it the other way round might bring. ie keeping the shape narrower with the players much closer together. Cant really say its not working can we?





Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on March 20, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
His lazy tag come from his Sheff Wed days

And they were when? 5/6 years ago? Given RH's insistence on being well organised and everybody doing their defensive work, do people really think he would continue to pick Brunt if he was lazy? RH wouldn't stand for it, simple as that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 20, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
No doubt Brunt has got a great left foot but it seems very often he's looking for the wonder strike. Let's face it since Everton last year how many has he scored ? He very often overhits his crosses also.
He also put the penalty against Villa horrendously wide by trying to blast it with the outside of his foot.
I just think if he cooled it a bit and concentrated on timing and placement a bit more we would see better results.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 63Brummie on March 20, 2012, 05:29:33 PM
the reason thomas and pete works on either isde is they dont swap flanks, after 15mins today brunt and thomas swapped, then brunt went wandering in the middle which makes the 3 in the middle cover for him. he was all over the place and it affects the shape of the team. being the captain and good set piece taker will keep him in the team which i believe will hinder the way we played few games ago when it all the players seemed natural in there positions.
This is why we should try playing Chris in the HOLE....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 20, 2012, 05:52:58 PM
Arguably the best left sided crosser in the PL is Evertons Leighton Baines. Brunt has every bit as a left peg as him. Seems a shame we dont get more of that from him

Why would we need more crosses from Brunt, or Thomas for that matter?
Given our playing system and current personel who would be there in the centre to 'nod em in'?
Last player we had remotely capable of that was Bednar I think
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 20, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Why would we need more crosses from Brunt, or Thomas for that matter?
Given our playing system and current personel who would be there in the centre to 'nod em in'?
Last player we had remotely capable of that was Bednar I think

Shane Long...........has the instinct to get on the end of crosses no problem
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 20, 2012, 06:05:53 PM
    Brunt is a decent player with a wand of a left foot .But at the moment in my opinnion he simply is not one of our best starting eleven.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 20, 2012, 06:12:42 PM
I dont think there would be any PL teams outside the top 4/5 who wouldnt have Brunty in their squad. So I struggle to see how people can write his ability off in the way they sometimes seem to.

I want Brunt in the squad but as a sub not a first choice starter. I think Thomas offers more; has more pace and tracks back also he doesn't keep coming inside and mis-shaping the midfield.
I think Andrews offers very similar free kick taking skills and along with Morrison can play defence splitting passes.

Brunt has been an important player but I think his time as a regular is at an end.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 20, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
I want Brunt in the squad but as a sub not a first choice starter. I think Thomas offers more; has more pace and tracks back also he doesn't keep coming inside and mis-shaping the midfield.
I think Andrews offers very similar free kick taking skills and along with Morrison can play defence splitting passes.

Brunt has been an important player but I think his time as a regular is at an end.

Fully understand your view Hull about coming inside and upsetting the balance. In defence of Brunty though PL footballers just dont go out and do "whatever they fancy" during a game. Roy must fully support this tactic or have instructed him to do this. If he played a more rigid role on the flank would people criticise Brunty as much?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on March 20, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
His lazy tag come from his Sheff Wed days

I actually believe the lazyness tag is a misunderstanding from the fact his head drops too easy. When things don't go his way he looks like he is sulking which people dont want to see.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 20, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
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If he played a more rigid role on the flank would people criticise Brunty as much?

Depends on whether you see him as a winger or not. Sadly his lack of pace means he's not a winger in the same way that Thomas is. I just think the side looks more balanced with out him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rolfestreet on March 20, 2012, 09:15:20 PM
I don't think he is lazy but he does sulk and moan at others and for me this gives off a bad impression, i want our players to take responsibility and get on with things.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: crisoWBA on March 20, 2012, 11:09:33 PM
love how he has goal vision on at all times & shoots from half way line. Scored a few in championship, scores between 1 - 3 in premier league games. Rather him just pass. I like him, but rather him come off the bench like he did against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 21, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
Depends on whether you see him as a winger or not. Sadly his lack of pace means he's not a winger in the same way that Thomas is. I just think the side looks more balanced with out him.

Some players are natural wide players without being fully fledged wingers, Beckham is a prime example of someone who doesn't take players on but puts fantastic balls in and lacks pace.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on March 31, 2012, 08:57:59 PM
Fuming at his latest non-performance today.............

Yet again he was slow, lathagic and lazy but added a new dimension to his game in not being able to control a football (on at least two occasions he ruined a decent move by just non getting hold of a ball on the corner of the box).

Yes, he was not on his own how poor he was today or in previous weeks, BUT he always seems to get in the team when fit and hardly ever gets subbed (bar last few minutes) despite offering nothing.

What's happened to the guy that looked a goal threat at this level and was capable of defence splitting quick passes ? Without that he has very little in his locker and he ain't been doing it all season.

We seem so slow getting forward when he's on the pitch.
 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 31, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
    Shouldn't be anywhere near our best starting eleven!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 31, 2012, 09:02:24 PM
Hes had a pretty lengthy lay off so he will still be finding his feet again.

However the stats suggested he put a good shift in which is a step in the right direction at half time he had covered more ground than any other player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on March 31, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
Hes had a pretty lengthy lay off so he will still be finding his feet again.

However the stats suggested he put a good shift in which is a step in the right direction at half time he had covered more ground than any other player on the pitch.

Might have covered ground but little positive to show for it !!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on March 31, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
i bet mick mCcarthy will be in for him then, that was his favourite saying after they lost every week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 31, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
Even so he might have scored but for Long's heel getting in the way :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on March 31, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
Even so he might have scored but for Long's heel getting in the way :)

'Might' is a big word !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 31, 2012, 10:46:06 PM
I got lambasted on here 2 / 3 weeks ago for having the audacity to slate Brunt's performances.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's stepped into the lions den!

In truth the lad has been shocking all season.  I've got nothing against him, just calling it as I see it.  He has done a lot for us in past seasons and for that he deserves respect.  However, now he totally unbalances the team and disrupts any midfield rhythm.  One of our weaker players I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on March 31, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
You didn't get lambasted, people just put forward an alternative argument.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 31, 2012, 10:58:06 PM
Hes one of our best players, his set pieces and passing are phenomenal. Looking a bit off the pace at the moment but hes one of the first names on the teamsheet for me. Along with Olsson, Odemwingie and obviously Foster
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: reiss on March 31, 2012, 11:00:05 PM
Hes one of our best players, his set pieces and passing are phenomenal. Looking a bit off the pace at the moment but hes one of the first names on the teamsheet for me. Along with Olsson, Odemwingie and obviously Foster


 2-3 seasons ago yes but not now, hes slow, he moans at others, he always has head down. Why the hell his he captain
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 31, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
You didn't get lambasted, people just put forward an alternative argument.

Well the tide is turning against this "alternative argument".

I can feel a little satisfied that my football knowledge is not so bad after all.

I'm sure Chis Brunt is a smashing fella and I don't enjoy criticizing his performances but I'll never hide from my opinion.

I'm just as much of a WBA fan as you and our views should be treated equally.

I'm sure you're capable of putting forward good views yourself about all things Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 31, 2012, 11:11:06 PM
Watch Newcastle away for pass of the season for Odemwingies goal, the guy is sheer class
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 31, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
I agree, the through ball at Newcastle was immense.

We're now 31 games into the season not at the start.  Consistency is the key.  Chris Brunt has quality no doubt but he doesn't perform MOST of the time.

I remember Graham Harbey's 30 yard rocket in the top corner v someone around 1992, but was GH any good?  Probably not....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 31, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
Watch Newcastle away for pass of the season for Odemwingies goal, the guy is sheer class

Unfortunately you can't rely on one pass before Christmas to justify a place in a team.

I'm not a big Brunt fan, never have been so i'm not jumping on the bandwagon to slate him but at the moment he is not justifying a place regardless of whether he's coming back from injury or not. The moments are few and far between this season, he is not having an impact on a game other than the odd pass here and there, some which may lead to assists but not often enough for what is classed as our creative player.

Do I lay the blame solely at Brunt ? no I don't. Our side is not set up to get the best out of him, that left foot is one of the best around when used in the right areas.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 31, 2012, 11:22:14 PM
Hes only played a handful of games since then tbf. But he is definitely one of my favorite players. His left foot is brilliant. We missed his set pieces when he wasnt in the team despite some of the good results we were getting, I think it was Norwich at home in the league we had corner after corner in the first half and all of them were dreadful. There is absolutely nobody else in the squad that can take a set piece anywhere near the quality of Brunts
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 31, 2012, 11:24:48 PM
I think people are being too short minded. do take into account his work over the season. not only the last three games. yeah he's out of the groove now. but so are many of the team. just before people start praising him when he hits his stride again, i'll remember this page.

Not saying he should be in the now(he admitted he shouldn't have been in the Newcastle game) , but he is a good player. look at Morrison last season to this season. last season couple of goals but otherwise nothing. now he was immense till his injury. Brunt is just in a lull.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 31, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Brunt takes plenty of corners which are dreadful, his set-pieces are not consistent enough.

I beg to differ about set piece quality. Dorrans has proved he can take excellent corners (Spurs away apart) and free-kicks. Some of Morrisons corners are excellent (and some poor), same with Shorey. Andrews can take a good free-kick.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 31, 2012, 11:29:46 PM
i think he drifts inside way too much and other midfielders have to cover for him, and if a move breaks down because of him, instead of chasing back he'll spend a few secs waving his arms and moaning. no his best season and wouldnt be ahead of thomas for me on current form. i'd also say dorrans can take set-pieces similar to him. brunt's a great crosser when his actually out on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 31, 2012, 11:30:07 PM
Morrison does hit the right areas but his corners seem to lack the pace and whip that Brunt puts on them, genuinely think that Brunty will be a main part of our team for years to come. Hes been a great servant already
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 31, 2012, 11:31:58 PM
Well if he is to be a main part for years to come lets hope we return to  a way that gets the best out of him because at the moment its not doing it, before or after his injury. His best games came at Newcastle and Blackburn where he actually played on the left and stayed on the left where a 'WINGER' should be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: reiss on March 31, 2012, 11:34:37 PM
was hes shot going in?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 31, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
I think it was, but we'll never know now will we
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 31, 2012, 11:42:13 PM
Think so, unless it would have hit the Everton defender as well.

To me Brunty needs to be on the ball, the more he is involved the better. Also this season he has suffered because we have changed the way we attack. It's difficult for him to play his killer passes if nobody makes the runs and he receives the ball in the wrong areas of the pitch. All of this is down to changes in our approach.

Look, there is nothing surprising about this. I said after the Stoke home game that our dynamic players, like PO, Brunt and Mulumbu would suffer under Roy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on March 31, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
a different kind of wide player as he as little pace. he does have qualities but put in with andrews,scharner and tchoyi who all have little pace our midfield was awful. dont think roy done any favours by putting brunt and tchoyi wide as they dont stop many crosses coming in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 31, 2012, 11:52:26 PM
a different kind of wide player as he as little pace. he does have qualities but put in with andrews,scharner and tchoyi who all have little pace our midfield was awful. dont think roy done any favours by putting brunt and tchoyi wide as they dont stop many crosses coming in.

When I saw the lineup I though Roy at least had a new plan to involve our wingers more. He didn't!!!!!

That team setup was criminal  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Rich99 on March 31, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
I think it takes some players a fair while to get back up to speed after being out for a decent spell, hopefully that's the case with Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 01, 2012, 12:01:27 AM
sadly Morrison is a prime example. If Brunt is so keen on central postions, why don't we play him there. Morrison used to be out wide i believe (am i right?)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2012, 12:04:42 AM
sadly Morrison is a prime example. If Brunt is so keen on central postions, why don't we play him there. Morrison used to be out wide i believe (am i right?)

Because he is not suited to a central role as proved on the numerous occasions he has been there.  His best games are out wide drifting in (and then going back out).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 01, 2012, 12:14:33 AM
Because he is not suited to a central role as proved on the numerous occasions he has been there.  His best games are out wide drifting in (and then going back out).

He's got the perfect attributes to play behind the striker in my opinion. Eye for a pass, good shot, doesn't need that extra yard of pace.

The point is though that this position does not exist in our formations so he should be played out wide, I'm not a fan of him playing deeply to be honest.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on April 01, 2012, 08:03:54 AM

 2-3 seasons ago yes but not now, hes slow, he moans at others, he always has head down. Why the hell his he captain

Totally agree with you, as a captain you should be leading, geeing up the players etc, all he does is flounce around like some 12 year girl! Its so unfair!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 01, 2012, 08:06:08 AM
He must do something right to get the job from two managers in a row and gain enough repect from his team mates to carry it out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on April 01, 2012, 12:54:07 PM
Just as bad as odemwingie defensively couple of pansies, however the two most talented at our football club going forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on April 01, 2012, 01:18:04 PM
Unless I've missed it I'm surprised no one has mentioned the little disagreement he had with the Albion fan who threw the ball at him in the second half.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2012, 01:31:04 PM
Unless I've missed it I'm surprised no one has mentioned the little disagreement he had with the Albion fan who threw the ball at him in the second half.

and look what that led to  :o :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on April 01, 2012, 01:34:49 PM
and look what that led to  :o :D

No comment ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Vassassin on April 01, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
Sadly I believe Father Time has enlisted him to the Andy Johnson and Johnno Greening club, much loved and respected, but the club has moved on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on April 02, 2012, 12:00:58 AM
We said the same about Morrison last year and look at him now. He is a good player but tends to have one good game followed by 5 bad ones. Lets not forget he has just come back from a bad injury.  He got 11 assists last year which is pretty inpressive. I remember a while back the soccer saturday panel said if just had a bit more pace he would be playing for a top 4 team.I wouldnt sell him but i would take the captains armband off him because since he has got that he has performed below par. We know he play a lot better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2012, 04:32:35 AM
Aside from PO, best player on the books... Most of you seem to know f all about this game... Lets get a team of triers, get relegated and play at a level more suited to our fans mentality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on April 02, 2012, 07:50:01 AM
Completly agree jacko, trying is fine and i would love to see an albion team giving there all every week however we would get relegated because of the two ( our two odemwingie /brunt) quality players that each team has that can change a game in this league, If Gera doesnt make a full recovery we need to bring in a replacement soon as possible as dorrans isnt getting the chance. I think we would have finished above swansea and norwich with a injury free gera.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2012, 07:54:25 AM
Probably the least motivational captain i have seen at the Albion.He has been poor this season apart from 2 games, they say it takes a while for him to get going into a season, he cant afford to get injured then can he.Not his biggest fan and never will be
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 02, 2012, 07:58:18 AM
i dont worry about the captain aspect. the captain role is internal, we couldn't possibly comment. i can't remember who it is but a player came out a few weeks/months ago and said he was a great captain.

he hasn't had a good season. it happens. last season he had a great assist stat.

we shouldnt sell though, i just dont think he suits hodgsons style.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 02, 2012, 08:37:30 AM
Aside from PO, best player on the books... Most of you seem to know f all about this game... Lets get a team of triers, get relegated and play at a level more suited to our fans mentality.
whats wrong with the mentality of our fans? just because we dont agree with you? imo you saying theese two are our best players means you no f all about the game.no coinciedence that this poor run as come since brunt returned.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2012, 09:51:26 AM
i have always not been a big fan of brunt, i find him frustrating. but, he can have a terrible came or a game he's gone missing in but he will then make 1 maybe 2 killer set ups and we win, so do we keep him in the team because of that?! i'm simply not sure!

I criticize him but he does prove me wrong, there's no doubt he's had a bad season but didn't rooney have an awful world cup followed by awful season and look at him now. Hopefully Brunt can turn it around because he has that extra quality about him where can set up a goal-chance from nowhere, and before this season chipped in with a fair few important goals from midfield too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 09:55:26 AM
Having planks yelling abuse at him from the stands certainly isn't going to help, seems like there is another search and destroy manouver going on a la Carson in the stands at the moment.

He's three games into a return from a broken ankle FFS, i don't think he sould even be anywhere near playing at the moment because he obviously isn't fit properly yet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
Did he say recently he should not have played against Newcastle.I find that comment alarming.Why the flip did he play then if he felt he wasn't fit, like Albion59 says our dip coincides with his return
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2012, 09:59:07 AM
Having planks yelling abuse at him from the stands certainly isn't going to help, seems like there is another search and destroy manouver going on a la Carson in the stands at the moment.

He's three games into a return from a broken ankle FFS, i don't think he sould even be anywhere near playing at the moment because he obviously isn't fit properly yet.

I hate that people do that, we're meant to "support" our players. Sure, if they play bad criticize on here but shouting from the stands wont help anybody
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albiontilidie on April 02, 2012, 10:19:07 AM
HAvent seen him recently, but he is the most talented player we have on our books,
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 10:34:34 AM
Did he say recently he should not have played against Newcastle.I find that comment alarming.Why the **** did he play then if he felt he wasn't fit, like Albion59 says our dip coincides with his return

Maybe he thought he was fine before and realised after he wasn't?

I'd say our dip coincides with the loss of Reid, Morrisson and Thomas along with Fortune having some fitness problems.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 02, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Having planks yelling abuse at him from the stands certainly isn't going to help, seems like there is another search and destroy manouver going on a la Carson in the stands at the moment.

He's three games into a return from a broken ankle FFS, i don't think he sould even be anywhere near playing at the moment because he obviously isn't fit properly yet.
rowley my opinions on brunt may differ from yours but i agree 100% that you dont abuse any albion player player during the game. we all have opinions but that kind of thing doesnt help anyone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2012, 10:43:46 AM
Just play him his best position which is wide left job done!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 02, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
i dont worry about the captain aspect. the captain role is internal, we couldn't possibly comment. i can't remember who it is but a player came out a few weeks/months ago and said he was a great captain.

he hasn't had a good season. it happens. last season he had a great assist stat.

we shouldnt sell though, i just dont think he suits hodgsons style.

I belive that was Olsson. He's never seen himself as a leader (funny that is what the vice captain thinks)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 02, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
Putting players into the starting XI and then saying afterwards that they weren't properly fit seems to have become quite commonplace this season. If players need to get match fitness again then bring them on as a sub later in the game. If they're carrying niggles, don't play them at all unless we're absolutely desperate (and a Prem club shouldn't be that desperate unless hald the swuad is injured).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarich on April 02, 2012, 02:49:51 PM
I got lambasted on here 2 / 3 weeks ago for having the audacity to slate Brunt's performances.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's stepped into the lions den!

In truth the lad has been shocking all season.  I've got nothing against him, just calling it as I see it.  He has done a lot for us in past seasons and for that he deserves respect.  However, now he totally unbalances the team and disrupts any midfield rhythm.  One of our weaker players I'm afraid.

Spot on
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 02, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Having planks yelling abuse at him from the stands certainly isn't going to help, seems like there is another search and destroy manouver going on a la Carson in the stands at the moment.

As is Odemwingie and that's got nothing to do with the Foster incident.  Before that episode even occurred PO was getting dogs from our travelling support, it was plain to see he was endeavouring to have an influence on the game but things were just not coming off for him, yet he was being singled out. 

As for Brunt he has had a poor season by his standards, but there is no doubt he possesses true quality.  There are not many who have the ability to cross a ball like him in the entire division, Long should be having an absolute field day feeding off Brunt's service, but Brunt in the middle is not effective enough and it takes away his biggest asset (his crossing).  However, those claiming he is ready for the knackers yard are incredibly premature, he only turned 27 a matter of months ago and his best years are still to come and when assessing his current form you’ve got to consider he has only just come back from a serious injury.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 03:22:03 PM
As is Odemwingie and that's got nothing to do with the Foster incident.  Before that episode even occurred PO was getting dogs from our travelling support, it was plain to see he was endeavouring to have an influence on the game but things were just not coming off for him, yet he was being singled out. 

As for Brunt he has had a poor season by his standards, but there is no doubt he possesses true quality.  There are not many who have the ability to cross a ball like him in the entire division, Long should be having an absolute field day feeding off Brunt's service, but Brunt in the middle is not effective enough and it takes away his biggest asset (his crossing).  However, those claiming he is ready for the knackers yard are incredibly premature, he only turned 27 a matter of months ago and his best years are still to come and when assessing his current form you’ve got to consider he has only just come back from a serious injury.

Odemwingie has had stick from the stands? If he has it's been very minimal - he has his name chanted every game to my knowledge and has had nothing but total support.

He'd been struggling badly prior to the Blackburn match and had his name chanted for near enough the entire game - he even said after that helped him through to his winner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 02, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
He was getting far more abuse than Brunt was on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 03:33:29 PM
He was getting far more abuse than Brunt was on Saturday.

I wasn't told about that to be fair, just the Brunt altercation.

Part timer these days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 02, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
I didn't hear any abuse for Pete on Saturday. Brunt got a few boos around me (no I didn't boo him) after his words with the fan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on April 02, 2012, 04:21:06 PM
should just boo and throw things at them both on there injury troubled seasons wouldnt have any disagreements then on who was being booed more each match, good job the qpr game is two weeks away as lose alot of interest reading this board and hearing our home support this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 02, 2012, 04:25:36 PM
Im a admirer of Brunt but im the first to admit he hasnt had a great season.These are my thoughts why...
1.Being captain,tries but is not suited to it and instead of concentrating on his own game ends up waving his arms at others.He doesnt need the pressure of captaining a Premier club.Just let him play and concentrate on creating things.

2.Constant switching of positions,left...right...in the middle...why does Roy move him about so much?.I know Roy isnt the first to try him in the middle but for me he does his best work out wide.

3.Roys tactics.On the whole this season we have set up keeping players behind the ball thus limiting our attacks,now im not saying go gung ho Mowbray style but like a number of our players you cannot expect Brunt to produce his best when most of the time he isnt allowed past the final third.

4.Present time.Now you have to cut him some slack since the injury,never is he fit in a million years at the minute and really he should be on the bench and training harder before being thrust back into the frame.

Still a class player but needs to get fit and be allowed to attack a bit more.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on April 02, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Agreed on the captain bit. He is our most creative player when is on form by a million miles. That pass for Odemwingies goal against Newcastle away was one of the best through balls I've witnessed. It got huge praise on Match of the day after the game as well. His set pieces, however inconsistent they may be, are still better than the rest.

The point is maybe it is best for him and the team if we take the captaincy of him. He only got it in the first place because we dropped Carson and he has held on to it ever since. Let him find his form again through hard work and concentrating on his game, rather than having to worry about leading by example and feeling he has to 'look' like he is a captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 02, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
Did he say recently he should not have played against Newcastle.I find that comment alarming.Why the **** did he play then if he felt he wasn't fit, like Albion59 says our dip coincides with his return

Because naturally the way to get back to match fitness is to play football matches. At 3-0 we were dead and buried and the 45 minutes sufficient enough for Brunty. I think its unfair to pinpoint our dip on the return of Chris Brunt, he's certainly not the person to blame. Injuries have halted us and we have to try and find the rhythm again, although that will be a lot easier if Hodgson was to ditch this 442 for good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 03, 2012, 10:59:11 PM
I'm still baffled as to why the first team squad returning from injury don't have a couple of games in the reserves to sharpen up and prove fitness.
Only reason I can come up with is that they use the reserves for developing up and coming talent which is fine but until Saturday Tchoyi hadn't started a game since November - he's hardly likely to be fully match fit or sharp.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
I'm still baffled as to why the first team squad returning from injury don't have a couple of games in the reserves to sharpen up and prove fitness.
Only reason I can come up with is that they use the reserves for developing up and coming talent which is fine but until Saturday Tchoyi hadn't started a game since November - he's hardly likely to be fully match fit or sharp.


Spot on with your analysis as to why players coming back from injury or haven't played a competitive game for a while don't get any reserve game time to recover some premier league natch fitness.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on April 04, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
I'm still baffled as to why the first team squad returning from injury don't have a couple of games in the reserves to sharpen up and prove fitness.
Only reason I can come up with is that they use the reserves for developing up and coming talent which is fine but until Saturday Tchoyi hadn't started a game since November - he's hardly likely to be fully match fit or sharp.
I'd wager the players themselves chose not to play in the 'stiffs'. A few Albion 'first teamers' such as Dawson, Dorrans, Shorey and Jara have played reserve games this season, so I'm supposing it's a matter of personal choice. I think the reserves still have a negative perception in the game and the consensus is it's just for the kids and deadwood, and you know how big the ego of your average footballer is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 04, 2012, 09:55:34 AM
I'd wager the players themselves chose not to play in the 'stiffs'. A few Albion 'first teamers' such as Dawson, Dorrans, Shorey and Jara have played reserve games this season, so I'm supposing it's a matter of personal choice. I think the reserves still have a negative perception in the game and the consensus is it's just for the kids and deadwood, and you know how big the ego of your average footballer is.
they shouldnt have a bloody choice, if they are told to play in the stiffs thats the end of it. they play or get find simple.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2012, 04:24:28 PM
they shouldnt have a bloody choice, if they are told to play in the stiffs thats the end of it. they play or get find simple.
Im sure they dont have a choice,Dorrans and Shorey were selected to play against Man Utd res the other week.Its down to the manager whether the getthrown back in or build up fitness.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on April 04, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Im a admirer of Brunt but im the first to admit he hasnt had a great season.These are my thoughts why...
1.Being captain,tries but is not suited to it and instead of concentrating on his own game ends up waving his arms at others.He doesnt need the pressure of captaining a Premier club.Just let him play and concentrate on creating things.

2.Constant switching of positions,left...right...in the middle...why does Roy move him about so much?.I know Roy isnt the first to try him in the middle but for me he does his best work out wide.

3.Roys tactics.On the whole this season we have set up keeping players behind the ball thus limiting our attacks,now im not saying go gung ho Mowbray style but like a number of our players you cannot expect Brunt to produce his best when most of the time he isnt allowed past the final third.

4.Present time.Now you have to cut him some slack since the injury,never is he fit in a million years at the minute and really he should be on the bench and training harder before being thrust back into the frame.

Still a class player but needs to get fit and be allowed to attack a bit more.

Brilliant post. This puts what I would fail to put into words myself.

Brunt has quality, there is no doubt about it. People seem to be picking on our best players at the moment. First it was Morrison for a while last season, now it's Brunt and the Odemwingie complaints have been going on all season. Surely it must be difficult for them to acquaint themselves to a more structured and organised set-up such as Roy's.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 04, 2012, 05:23:09 PM
It's just expectation. you expect your best players to perform and when they don't, the fans get angry and disappointed
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on April 04, 2012, 07:24:52 PM
It's just expectation. you expect your best players to perform and when they don't, the fans get angry and disappointed

agreed so why some fans get angry is beyond me when were having a decent season and despite little ups and downs that all players have chris brunt has been fine as he always is. some fans need to reign in their expectations a little be more realistic about where we are and then they wont get so angry and disappointed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 04, 2012, 09:06:13 PM
Expectation levels are created by perceived achievement & its a human trait that the more you get the more you want, take our little run of 3 wins, dingles, sunderland & chelsea, all of a sudden some fans are thinking, hold on we can make Champions league here but space those results out as dingles win, man u lose, sunderland win, wigan draw, chelsea win, newcastle lose, everton lose & expectations would probably not be so high. 

In a similar way, Chris Brunt has played extremely well for us in the past & because his last few games have been below par (for whatever reason), some fans will become critical of him.

On the captain issue, he would be well down the order for me, as I think a captain should be a 'stand up & be counted' type player that will role his sleeves up when things aren't going well & someone that can inspire his team mates to do the same, I really don't see that with Brunty, I think somebody mentioned in an earlier post that his performances may improve if he didn't have the added responsibility of the armband.     
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on April 04, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
appalling body language - not what you need from the captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 07, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Moment of the say.. ..some numbnuts loudly booing our captain literally five seconds before he created our all important second goal.

To say he was humiliated by all around is an understatement.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 07, 2012, 05:47:44 PM
Not Brunts biggest fan (I may have mentioned it before  :D ), thought he was better today, no coincidence he stuck out wide more.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieJames114 on April 07, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
His set pieces and general deliveries are one of the main points to his game, they are simply fantastic. Really do not understand the stick he gets. One of our best players
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on April 07, 2012, 11:29:20 PM
Hate hate hate fans behind me constantly mouthing off PO and Brunt when, ironically, they present us with many goal scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on April 07, 2012, 11:46:17 PM
Hate hate hate fans behind me constantly mouthing off PO and Brunt when, ironically, they present us with many goal scoring opportunities.

you'll always get that sadly. console yourself with the thought that they havnt a clue what their talking about! brunty not back to his top best yet but hes gettin there and some of his crosses today were beauties!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 08, 2012, 03:51:22 PM
Decided to watch him closely not overly impressed really but we all see him in a different light dont we.I was quite shocked seeing him looking at grass often and waiving his arms regularly

Not his biggest fan but he obviously has talent, talking of talent did any one see that dog last night
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on April 08, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
Hate hate hate fans behind me constantly mouthing off PO and Brunt when, ironically, they present us with many goal scoring opportunities.

You can understand it though. As long as they arent shouting it out it is just normal to voice an opinion to the person next to you.

Yesterday, like much of the season, Brunt and Odemwingie were poor and wasteful.

Of course, the great paradox is that Brunt will often pop up once in a match, like yesterday, to create a goal with his one good touch of the ball. The same goes for Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 08, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
He was unlucky with the one ball on the outside of his boot in the first half which just missed Odemwingie and ran out for a goalkeeper, that would of been a fantastic ball had he taken a bit of pace off it. I was eager for him to impress, just like Dorrans but unfortunately he never really got going. There was some decent balls into the box but I tend to remember the one where he played it into the keepers hand and his cross which went into the BRE more so than his decent deliveries which is a shame and unfortunate for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on April 08, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Brunty also hit a couple of wonderful passes from deep positions when we were breaking. Once to Mulumbu (I think it was) and once to PO who mishit his pass to Mulumbu who was completely clear on goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on April 08, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
He was unlucky with the one ball on the outside of his boot in the first half which just missed Odemwingie and ran out for a goalkeeper, that would of been a fantastic ball had he taken a bit of pace off it. I was eager for him to impress, just like Dorrans but unfortunately he never really got going. There was some decent balls into the box but I tend to remember the one where he played it into the keepers hand and his cross which went into the BRE more so than his decent deliveries which is a shame and unfortunate for him.

CB was fine yesterday. Just needs a couple more games. Been out for a good while since injury so it will take a little time to find his best form. A half fit CB is still better than some we have on our bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on April 08, 2012, 08:02:38 PM
As Basil Fawlty would say, a touch of class.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albiontilidie on April 11, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Phil was 50% responsible for deploying andy brewer as a deep lying playmaker - you can't buy nouse like that!

and from that i now play that exact same role for both my saturday and sunday team,  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Vince Pinner on April 11, 2012, 06:23:11 PM


Of course, the great paradox is that Brunt will often pop up once in a match, like yesterday, to create a goal with his one good touch of the ball. The same goes for Odemwingie.

If they popped up all the way through a match to create goals, they wouldn't be playing for us.  Them's the rules.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
No one wishing for Brunts composure and passing tonight?  :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2012, 12:37:18 AM
No one wishing for Brunts composure and passing tonight?  :-*

erm !! I think tonight was missing a lot more than Chris Brunt but we lost so lets use the 'we were missing Brunt arguments'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2012, 12:42:59 AM
erm !! I think tonight was missing a lot more than Chris Brunt but we lost so lets use the 'we were missing Brunt arguments'.

So you thought any of our midfielders aside from Mulumbu looked comfortable on the ball, or even wanted the ball?

And you don't think Chris Brunt does want the ball and is comfortable in possession?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 12, 2012, 12:59:50 AM
So you thought any of our midfielders aside from Mulumbu looked comfortable on the ball, or even wanted the ball?

And you don't think Chris Brunt does want the ball and is comfortable in possession?
strangely i thought Mulumbu was weak today. but i'm not going to create a new thread just to rail at a team that cost less than one opposition player that they should be matching them in all areas away from home where the opposition havent lost all season. I think some one may have slightly overbloated expectations ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2012, 01:01:03 AM
No they didn't look comfortable, did they want it ? ask them only they can answer that.  Also ask Roy why he played the most negative central midfield trio possible who could not create anything between them, ask him why he chose a striker to play 90minutes out wide.

We lost and Brunt didn't play so he must be the answer to all our problems.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
strangely i thought Mulumbu was weak today. but i'm not going to create a new thread just to rail at a team that cost less than one opposition player that they should be matching them in all areas away from home where the opposition havent lost all season. I think some one may have slightly overbloated expectations ::)

I take it that petty dig is aimed at me then ?

I don't have any overbloated expectations. I have an overbloated belly but thats life.

So their players cost more than ours and earn better money, why turn up then ?

Man Utd dropped points in one game at home last season, who was that against ?  please remind me. We went to the mirates and beat them last season, amazing what can happen when you go prepared to have a go.



Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 12, 2012, 01:20:32 AM
no, at jacko. read the "average grafters" thread and tell me it isnt just a soap box with a reply button. It was the way he basically states here and the other thread thread that "wah, wah we lost. we must be terrible. we must win every game"

Thats how it sounds to me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 12, 2012, 01:22:33 AM
no, at jacko. read the "average grafters" thread and tell me it isnt just a soap box with a reply button. It was the way he basically states here and the other thread thread that "wah, wah we lost. we must be terrible. we must win every game"

Thats how it sounds to me.

 :D Fair enough, sorry about that then but I was right about my overbloated belly  :o

Was a bad night all round to be fair.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2012, 01:53:41 AM
no, at jacko. read the "average grafters" thread and tell me it isnt just a soap box with a reply button. It was the way he basically states here and the other thread thread that "wah, wah we lost. we must be terrible. we must win every game"

Thats how it sounds to me.

You have totally misread me, I far from believe we should win every game. But I believe we should give ourselves a chance. No Premier League team should ever "park the bus" against another, there should not be players in a Premier League team who cannot pass the ball 5 yards to teammates 8 or 9 times out of 10, there should not be passengers that other need to carry or that fans need to make excuses for.

If you were happy with tonight's display then fair enough. I'm going to assume you weren't anywhere near Eastlands.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on April 12, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Brunt would not have made the slightest bit of difference last night, he would have gone missing
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 12, 2012, 09:15:50 AM
You have totally misread me, I far from believe we should win every game. But I believe we should give ourselves a chance. No Premier League team should ever "park the bus" against another, there should not be players in a Premier League team who cannot pass the ball 5 yards to teammates 8 or 9 times out of 10, there should not be passengers that other need to carry or that fans need to make excuses for.

If you were happy with tonight's display then fair enough. I'm going to assume you weren't anywhere near Eastlands.
no, sadly i have a job in between semesters at uni. i didnt get home to Birmingham till 8 let alone get to Manchester. I'm just saying that i wasn't expecting anything out of this. this was a defensive option hard-pressed by a very high quality team that needed this break. I think I say it most times we lose and people say we are useless (generic words not yours). we didn't play bad from what I saw, just completely outplayed. the team couldn't pass because they were allowed little time on the ball to think of what to do. that is why i brought up cost. City pay for players who can work in those conditions, ours couldn't. remember that was our defensive option. what if we had used the offensive?

oh, and Brunt wouldn't have changed anything btw
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 14, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
Excellent today, hard working with two great tackles in the second half when covering Jones.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on April 14, 2012, 05:38:17 PM
Excellent today, hard working with two great tackles in the second half when covering Jones.

And a great break up in the box covering for Ridgewell! late on... Plus his passes were destroying QPR on the right hand side most of the game, setting up Jones etc. We so badly need his ability to hit long and short passes all over the pitch and his ability to hold on to the ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jsam on April 14, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
Brunt was the difference between two average sides today. When this boy's on song, he can turn it on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2012, 05:48:23 PM
I've given him stick lately but was much better today and a bit more disciplined in sticking to his position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on April 14, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
Superb game he had.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on April 14, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Great game today. Dangerous balls into the box, clever passes, cutting through balls, great link-up play with Jones... he was very unlucky not to get an assist. Not only that he gave a textbook performance of how a side-midfielder should be defensively, he worked hard all game covering Jones superbly putting in great blocks and tackles. When he's in the mood Brunt is a very good player, he just needs to be in the mood more often.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 15, 2012, 02:31:48 PM
Thought this thread would of been a bit more active.

It was a good performance from Brunty. Probably up there with the best he's produced this season. He made himself available, like Dorrans. Produced some very good passes and did his fair share of defensive tracking back in the second half with two very good blocks to deny Traore. A good performance and one he needs to build on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on April 15, 2012, 02:41:23 PM
We must take into account that Chris brunt has only just returned back from a serious injury and it takes time, players are human after all! It was a very good performance on that basis and Brunt will get better as he gets his fitness back. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 18, 2012, 07:56:51 PM
Named on the shortlist for GB Olympic Football Team  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 22, 2012, 08:12:22 PM
Clearly very rusty today having not played any real PL football this year. His passing was very unlike Brunty but to be expected really. Glad to see SC leave him on to get some much needed match practice. He will be back to his best soon enough. But what disappointed me a little was the amount of stick he seemed to be getting from some of our fans. Seemed a bit disproportionate considering this was his first outing?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 22, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
Clearly very rusty today having not played any real PL football this year. His passing was very unlike Brunty but to be expected really. Glad to see SC leave him on to get some much needed match practice. He will be back to his best soon enough. But what disappointed me a little was the amount of stick he seemed to be getting from some of our fans. Seemed a bit disproportionate considering this was his first outing?

I think first outing or not, there is a basic expectation to be able to pass the ball 5-10 yards to a reasonable degree of competency. I'm one of Brunts bigger fans, but rusty or not, he was very poor today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dangerman on September 22, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
Now I am a big fan of Brunt but if he lacks one thing as a professional footballer it is positional discipline.

Too many times today he drifted back into the middle of the park leaving players wondering where he had gone.

It isn't just today though he has been guilty of it. This issue has been there since we've had him really.

He is capable of changing a game with one kick of the ball but I feel that from his point of view if he doesn't improve on that he won't develop onto the next level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jonny on September 22, 2012, 11:01:49 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/23/u9e7eqa4.jpg)

Enough said re Brunty!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 22, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
So people can't discuss his recent performances then on a forum set up for that purpose ?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on September 22, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
How many times does he start a season off so poorly?  It seems as if he needs ten games to get started.
 
I rate him highly but 10 games out of 38 is a quarter of the season.
 
For me he needs too show more consistancy at the level we are right now or he will get left behind as a squad player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on September 23, 2012, 12:24:46 AM
I guess everyone passed the ball with perfection except Brunt. Might as well sell him. The new Carson perhaps? I don't mind when players are critisized but sometimes it seems to go over the top. Managers past and present rate him as does his teammates but hey what do they know. He was not the Brunt we know he can be today, yes ok but the way he is treated by some it's just seems too much sometimes! Or maybe I should look at it as respect for the player that people see Brunt as one of our best players so when he has a bad game he gets it more than others, I don't know just frustrating to read so much negativity, he's rusty with his first league start and had no pre-season lets give him a few games??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 23, 2012, 02:02:04 AM
I guess everyone passed the ball with perfection except Brunt. Might as well sell him. The new Carson perhaps? I don't mind when players are critisized but sometimes it seems to go over the top. Managers past and present rate him as does his teammates but hey what do they know. He was not the Brunt we know he can be today, yes ok but the way he is treated by some it's just seems too much sometimes! Or maybe I should look at it as respect for the player that people see Brunt as one of our best players so when he has a bad game he gets it more than others, I don't know just frustrating to read so much negativity, he's rusty with his first league start and had no pre-season lets give him a few games??

He had a poor game. No-one wants to sell him; no-one is giving him the Carson treatment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 23, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
He had a poor game. No-one wants to sell him; no-one is giving him the Carson treatment.
Except for the mad woman at the back of the brummie :D
Clearly he has talent ,had a bad first half,needs to stay wide and probably should not be captain,don't write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on September 23, 2012, 09:47:24 AM
So Brunty blows hot and cold, what else is new? (read this thread, awful one week brilliant the next). He needs to adapt to the new team this season and he needs to stop a few bad habits holding him down.

I hope the challenge spurs him on and I look forward to seeing him when he hits form again.

I am happy we are playing well and picking up points even if one or two of our strongest players isn't on top of their games. Hopefully those struggling a bit now will hit form when current in form players tire a bit, and in that way we can stay strong throughout the season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on September 23, 2012, 10:18:46 AM
i think chris brunt as a superb left foot, excellent set piece deliveries and an eye for a pass, he as also improved his defensive side. he had a poor game today end of. still part of an excellent squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 23, 2012, 11:20:37 AM
The whole point of a forum like this is to discuss players, managers, performances etc and this thread is about Chris Brunt and its where people will discuss him.

That won't change, some might not like and think as soon as a bad word is said then its a case of 'Tom, he's rubbish, he's gorra gow'. You will get some ott reactions just as you get ott reactions the other way with some thinking that certain players are untouchable and above any sort of criticism. Theres a thing called 'middle ground' which is lacking on here way to often.

As long as its within our site rules then players whoever they are can be criticised, praised, whatever whether some like it or not. Outside our rules then your post will be taken off no matter what point you're trying to make or who you are.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 23, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
He is one of the best players in the squad. If he performed  consistently at the peak of his form he wouldn't be with us. I have so many great memories of his sublime left foot, the article in a northern Irish paper proclaiming him better than Messi (based on fact!) and him being involved in everything good that has happened at this club for a good few years now.

Give him chance to find his feet without getting on his back. Even though not at his best yesterday, he still won a header that allowed Long to pick out Dorrans in the build up to the goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbatesy on September 23, 2012, 11:33:49 AM
Whenever he plays he drifts inside causing no width, clots up the midfield meaning (yesterday) gera had to go wider so no runs off lukaku and no goals until someone can run off the striker (long). As well as this, it is no surprise that we looked shaky down the left when defending because of it constantly being 2-on-1 (same when Pete plays right.)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on September 23, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
Whenever he plays he drifts inside causing no width, clots up the midfield meaning (yesterday) gera had to go wider so no runs off lukaku and no goals until someone can run off the striker (long). As well as this, it is no surprise that we looked shaky down the left when defending because of it constantly being 2-on-1 (same when Pete plays right.)

It's utterly pointless playing Brunt on the wing, as a 'traditional' winger, unless we have plenty of people in the box for him to aim crosses at. And we don't play that way at the moment. We may go 442 with Long and Lukaku in the box, in that case sure, play Brunty on the wing and make him a cross machine.

The reason Brunty comes in looking for the ball is that he is wasted on the wing since he will never beat anyone for pace and his greatest strength, his passing ability, is negated because he has so few options to pass to on the wing (unless the team goes with the option up top attacking the box in numbers).

Our problem yesterday was not Brunt coming in as much as the team being static, lacking movement, with only Lukaku moving up front and Morrison finding a bit of space. When the team overall is very mobile and dynamic, with fluid movement, Brunty's passing comes alive as he can pick out players with extreme accuracy and he can do it instinctively and instantly. When we are static and stolid like yesterday nothing works because the movement isn't there. Brunt tried too hard yesterday to make the game dynamic (increase the movement) and it didn't work at all because he ended up a square peg in a round hole with the system we were using.

Offensively Gera was a bit of the same problem for us, we needed a player with speed/movement playing in that position.

When we do have a highly mobile team, Brunt becomes extremely difficult to defend against because the defenders have so many threats to protect against that Brunty can pick out the little gap they will inevitable leave open.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Political Cake on September 23, 2012, 01:04:36 PM
I personally think his lack of performance yesterday was due to the way Reading played more so than how he himself played. When people try to defend like that and do nothing else, it suddenly becomes very hard to play in a way that will suit him. Because of this, it probably would have suited him more if we attempted to cross towards goal more often, but with only Lukaku there it would never really have come off, so he's left in a rather less effective role. However, when Long came on did anyone notice that we suddenly had more crosses into him from both Brunt and Dorrans? It's also interesting that the goal came from a knock down by Long, also.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on September 23, 2012, 02:26:35 PM
And Brunt was so close to getting another assist when Olsson headed against the post! :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dantics_wba on September 23, 2012, 02:55:20 PM
His corners and set pieces are 9 times out of 10 spot on, as they were yesterday. Gave the ball away way too much though imo.
I felt once the ball got into midfield if Lukaku couldn't be spotted they didn't really know what to do, would panic and turn back, a few times giving the ball away. The most obvious example yesterday was when Lukaku went down in the centre circle, Brunt paced down the wing only to whip a decent ball into the empty box  :-\
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarich on September 24, 2012, 02:48:23 PM
Whenever he plays he drifts inside causing no width, clots up the midfield meaning (yesterday) gera had to go wider so no runs off lukaku and no goals until someone can run off the striker (long). As well as this, it is no surprise that we looked shaky down the left when defending because of it constantly being 2-on-1 (same when Pete plays right.)

what game were you watching? when was Gera ever wide? He was drifting inside as well! And as for him making no runs off Lukaku he didn't run at all he looks gone! Gera should have been wide as he was playing as our right winger but wasn't!

As for Brunt he has always drifted in and floated around which costs us but as well as that yesterday his passing and crossing was appauling.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on September 24, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
I am not going to get into the debate whether i think Brunty is good enough or not, some weeks he is class, others not........same as 99% of most footballers.

The one thing that i cannot understand, and that is, why is he captain?
My opinion of a captain, is that he should be a leader, encourage, push your team mates, represent the club etc etc. Every game i see him, his body language comes across very poor, he looks like he is doing a sketch for Harry Enfield...Perry!

However i understand that he may be an excellent off field ambassador, and if this is the case, i apologise for sounding harsh.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 24, 2012, 03:46:16 PM
It's utterly pointless playing Brunt on the wing, as a 'traditional' winger, unless we have plenty of people in the box for him to aim crosses at. And we don't play that way at the moment. We may go 442 with Long and Lukaku in the box, in that case sure, play Brunty on the wing and make him a cross machine.

The reason Brunty comes in looking for the ball is that he is wasted on the wing since he will never beat anyone for pace and his greatest strength, his passing ability, is negated because he has so few options to pass to on the wing (unless the team goes with the option up top attacking the box in numbers).

He might be "wasted on the wing" as you say however that was where he was asked to play, yet he spent most of the 1st half coming inside and leaving Ridgewell exposed when defending and with no out ball when trying to attack. I imagine SC had words at half time as he appeared to stay out wide in the 2nd half.
His passing was lacking a little too, he always seems to want to play a killer ball which doesn't often come off rather than doing the simple 10 yard pass and allowing us to keep possession.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on September 24, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
He might be "wasted on the wing" as you say however that was where he was asked to play, yet he spent most of the 1st half coming inside and leaving Ridgewell exposed when defending and with no out ball when trying to attack. I imagine SC had words at half time as he appeared to stay out wide in the 2nd half.
His passing was lacking a little too, he always seems to want to play a killer ball which doesn't often come off rather than doing the simple 10 yard pass and allowing us to keep possession.
That's my main gripe with Brunt - he seems to look for the wonder strike whether its a shot or cross. If he took 5% off the fizz and added 5% to the accuracy he'd be so much more effective.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 25, 2012, 02:21:05 PM
hes a winger, they are notorious for being inconsistant, class one week, awful the next.
it applies to the other wingers at our club: Gera, Thomas

past examples koumas, kamara, kilbane.

the bloke is a vital member of our squad there is no one with a passing abilty anywhere near to his.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 25, 2012, 02:40:28 PM
hes a winger, they are notorious for being inconsistant, class one week, awful the next.
it applies to the other wingers at our club: Gera, Thomas

past examples koumas, kamara, kilbane.

the bloke is a vital member of our squad there is no one with a passing abilty anywhere near to his.
I agree with him blowing hot and cold, saturday he couldnt pass wind !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
Not one of Bruntys best games but it was his first start of the season unlike the rest who had played a few already. But the great thing about CB is he never stops trying to create something even when its not quite coming off. Our most creative passer alongside Dozza.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on September 25, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
He shouldnt be in the team. The only reason i can see for him being selected is that he is (wrongly) Captain.

The formation Clarke has us set up in, effectively 4-3-3, does not suit Chris Brunt in the slightest.

All Brunt has to his game for me is a final ball, he is by far the best crosser we have in the squad, and when he whips it in from the left 9 times out of 10 its going to be a very good ball. The problem with Brunt though is that he appears to think that hes too good to be stuck out on the left and he wanders inside and stays there to get himself into the game more, all this does though is congest the middle suffocating our better central players like Morrison and Mulumbu.

Brunt is very ineffective playing from the middle, hes not combative enough, not fast enough and cant tackle, and if he sees himself as a CM he shouldnt even be on our bench let alone in our starting 11, what he is though is a very good winger, similar to Beckham in that he wont beat a man but can always create something. And if he is willing to stay in his best position he would be more deserving of a place in the side.

Ridgewell played both LM and LB on saturday because Brunt was never available down that wing.

For me Brunt is never going to accept staying out on the left, and for that reason he should be nothing more than a bench man for us in my opinion, as we have enough players (Thomas, Rosenberg, Odemwingie, Fortune, Gera, El-G) who will actually stay in position on the wing, do a good job, and help out the full back.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 03:18:37 PM
He shouldnt be in the team. The only reason i can see for him being selected is that he is (wrongly) Captain.

The formation Clarke has us set up in, effectively 4-3-3, does not suit Chris Brunt in the slightest.

All Brunt has to his game for me is a final ball, he is by far the best crosser we have in the squad, and when he whips it in from the left 9 times out of 10 its going to be a very good ball. The problem with Brunt though is that he appears to think that hes too good to be stuck out on the left and he wanders inside and stays there to get himself into the game more, all this does though is congest the middle suffocating our better central players like Morrison and Mulumbu.

Brunt is very ineffective playing from the middle, hes not combative enough, not fast enough and cant tackle, and if he sees himself as a CM he shouldnt even be on our bench let alone in our starting 11, what he is though is a very good winger, similar to Beckham in that he wont beat a man but can always create something. And if he is willing to stay in his best position he would be more deserving of a place in the side.

Ridgewell played both LM and LB on saturday because Brunt was never available down that wing.

For me Brunt is never going to accept staying out on the left, and for that reason he should be nothing more than a bench man for us in my opinion, as we have enough players (Thomas, Rosenberg, Odemwingie, Fortune, Gera, El-G) who will actually stay in position on the wing, do a good job, and help out the full back.

Disagree completely. Personally I think we are always a better team when Brunt plays. I have no problem with him playing more centrally if it gets him on the ball because he is one of the few players we have who creates offensively on a consistent basis. I actually think sometimes he is a bit wasted out on the wing but because we are top heavy on midfielders and tend to play with a single man up front and two defensive players he really has to occupy a wider position. He doesnt drift in because he just fancies it. Professional football doesnt work like that. He will have discussed that with the coaching staff and they must endorse that tactic. To say he gets out of position and fails to support the full back just isnt the case imo. His workrate is generally excellent and when possession turns over he is always one of the first to drop back into a covering role. A quality PL player now, one that a fair few clubs would be interested in should he come onto the market.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2012, 04:00:08 PM
Disagree completely. Personally I think we are always a better team when Brunt plays. I have no problem with him playing more centrally if it gets him on the ball because he is one of the few players we have who creates offensively on a consistent basis.


if he was supposed to be playing centrally then I would agree with your point but he is being asked to play out wide so why doesn't he? he comes inside an unbalances the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 04:29:19 PM

if he was supposed to be playing centrally then I would agree with your point but he is being asked to play out wide so why doesn't he? he comes inside an unbalances the team.

How do you know he is being asked to stay out wide? I would suggest the coaching staff ask him to play in a flexible way ie when in possession do what ever is necessary to get on the ball and in the game and when we lose the ball drop back in to a wider covering position. On the contrary you could say he doesnt unbalance the team he influences it when he drops inside a bit more. I except what you say that sometimes we lack width on the right hand side if he is in the middle but any professional coach would probably say its all about getting your best players on the pitch. And Brunty is easily one of our best players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
How do you know he is being asked to stay out wide? I would suggest the coaching staff ask him to play in a flexible way ie when in possession do what ever is necessary to get on the ball and in the game and when we lose the ball drop back in to a wider covering position. On the contrary you could say he doesnt unbalance the team he influences it when he drops inside a bit more. I except what you say that sometimes we lack width on the right hand side if he is in the middle but any professional coach would probably say its all about getting your best players on the pitch. And Brunty is easily one of our best players.

because that's where he lined up at the start of the match! If he was supposed to have a free role or a more central role then surely SC would have put someone else out wide to counter Brunt;s tendency to come inside meaning that Ridgewell would have had some cover. Also in the 2nd half he pretty much stayed out wide...which I'm assuming was after having a talking to from SC, but whatever the reason he stayed out wide and was much more effective..leading me to believe that where he was supposed to be playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 05:39:38 PM
because that's where he lined up at the start of the match! If he was supposed to have a free role or a more central role then surely SC would have put someone else out wide to counter Brunt;s tendency to come inside meaning that Ridgewell would have had some cover. Also in the 2nd half he pretty much stayed out wide...which I'm assuming was after having a talking to from SC, but whatever the reason he stayed out wide and was much more effective..leading me to believe that where he was supposed to be playing.

So your saying that a players starting position when the ball is kicked off is a rigid position that the player has to stick to for the duration of the game? We lined up with three advanced midfielders and no wingers. Brunt is a midfielder not a winger so he covered the ground in the wide midfield area both offensively and defensively. SC may well have asked him to try and exploit the wider area in the second half as the game got a bit more stretched when in possession but to assume that he bo......kd him at half time for not sticking rigidly to a wide area is a bit niave imo. Since we were dominating the game I would have thought he would just ask his players to carry on as they were be patient with the final ball
and a goal will come. Thats what actually happened. Just my opinion but I think Brunty is completely wasted out on the touchline...he isnt even close to being a winger
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2012, 06:00:27 PM
So your saying that a players starting position when the ball is kicked off is a rigid position that the player has to stick to for the duration of the game? We lined up with three advanced midfielders and no wingers. Brunt is a midfielder not a winger so he covered the ground in the wide midfield area both offensively and defensively. SC may well have asked him to try and exploit the wider area in the second half as the game got a bit more stretched when in possession but to assume that he bo......kd him at half time for not sticking rigidly to a wide area is a bit niave imo. Since we were dominating the game I would have thought he would just ask his players to carry on as they were be patient with the final ball
and a goal will come. Thats what actually happened. Just my opinion but I think Brunty is completely wasted out on the touchline...he isnt even close to being a winger

I never said he had to stick to his position rigidly. however i feel that a manager picks a player to play in a position that he feels will suit his game plan and the players abilities....and asks him to play that position.  now do you really think that SC would have wanted ridgewell to be left on his own for most of the first half with no cover and no out ball....because that's exactly what he had because of Brunt. if SC didn't expect him to play as a winger I would expect that he asked him to play a left sided midfield role....which he didn't do for the first half as he was often bunched up with Mulumbu and Morrison in the centre.

The one thing we can definitley agree on is that Brunt is not a winger.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 06:25:52 PM
I never said he had to stick to his position rigidly. however i feel that a manager picks a player to play in a position that he feels will suit his game plan and the players abilities....and asks him to play that position.  now do you really think that SC would have wanted ridgewell to be left on his own for most of the first half with no cover and no out ball....because that's exactly what he had because of Brunt. if SC didn't expect him to play as a winger I would expect that he asked him to play a left sided midfield role....which he didn't do for the first half as he was often bunched up with Mulumbu and Morrison in the centre.

The one thing we can definitley agree on is that Brunt is not a winger.

Agree to disagree a bit on this one Hull.......... :D  I didnt think Brunty left Ridgwell that exposed hence why McCleary didnt get a sniff at all. I think once Brunty finds his sharpness he will be a fixture in the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2012, 06:41:00 PM
Agree to disagree a bit on this one Hull.......... :D  I didnt think Brunty left Ridgwell that exposed hence why McCleary didnt get a sniff at all. I think once Brunty finds his sharpness he will be a fixture in the side.

fair play Ruby, we could go round in circles!  have to say that you are one of the posters on here that I enjoy reading.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mrvulgarity on September 25, 2012, 06:58:59 PM
I think when you have a player like CB in your side, it is hard to keep him to one position. He can play across the middle, coming in to support the forwards and run the sides to whip in crosses.

If you look at the midfield we have, we have Yacob/Mulumbu protecting the back 4, and then you have Brunt/Morrison to supply the forwards with a choice of Gera/Dorrans/El-G/Fortune/Odemwingie/Thomas to play the wingers/SS role.

You have to give Mozza and Brunty the freedom to move and chop them selves into positions, to strike from distance or thread the ball to the forwards. I think if you look at how Ridgewell ran the whole left, it seemed planned,a tactical decision by SC, and something that worked to our advantage, as we could push the midfield into a more central motion, to feed Lukaku.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
fair play Ruby, we could go round in circles!  have to say that you are one of the posters on here that I enjoy reading.

Cheers Hull thanks for the complement. Its good to share views on our beloved WBA even when we dont always agree! Opinions...its what makes talking football enjoyable. Personally I really enjoy this site so Im glad I came across it. There's a good mix of people in this community and always plenty of interesting discussions to keep you entertained. COYB........ ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 29, 2012, 05:08:12 AM
Quick question. Based on his admittedly limited appearances so far this season does he deserve to be in the starting 11? Reading reports of his performances would suggest not.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 29, 2012, 06:30:11 AM
Not any more, no. It's pretty much all been said (for and against) in the last sixteen pages, but last night was another strong piece of evidence in support of the 'against' camp.

Rubyruby (with whom I generally find I agree, but not on this) somewhere above said that when Brunt plays the team plays better. I think that's usually not the case these days, and last night was a good example.

He has a cultured left foot and a footballing brain, but he's been 'off' more than 'on' for the last 18 months, and consistently (and very strongly last night) looks like he is slouching and sulking his way through the game if its going badly, aimless ambling through if its going well. The very opposite of leadership. Jonas played badly last night too, but at least he looked ashamed and as though he wanted to make it up till the last minute. Brunt just looked as though he wanted to take his ball back and go home to his mom.

There's quality in him that's worth having on the bench for the last twenty minutes, but when Gera (our top creative forward) is resting, I'd start Dorrans ahead of Brunt at least half the time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on November 29, 2012, 08:04:45 AM
Not any more, no. It's pretty much all been said (for and against) in the last sixteen pages, but last night was another strong piece of evidence in support of the 'against' camp.

Rubyruby (with whom I generally find I agree, but not on this) somewhere above said that when Brunt plays the team plays better. I think that's usually not the case these days, and last night was a good example.

He has a cultured left foot and a footballing brain, but he's been 'off' more than 'on' for the last 18 months, and consistently (and very strongly last night) looks like he is slouching and sulking his way through the game if its going badly, aimless ambling through if its going well. The very opposite of leadership. Jonas played badly last night too, but at least he looked ashamed and as though he wanted to make it up till the last minute. Brunt just looked as though he wanted to take his ball back and go home to his mom.

There's quality in him that's worth having on the bench for the last twenty minutes, but when Gera (our top creative forward) is resting, I'd start Dorrans ahead of Brunt at least half the time.


Sums up my thoughts exactly, there are  6 players whose name would be before brunt on team sheet fro the midfield positions for me.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2012, 08:22:48 AM
To be honest i have never been his biggest fan but he and the rest of them were absolute tosh last night
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on November 29, 2012, 08:34:46 AM
He, and the other 10 players, had an off night whilst Swansea played well. We have to remember that Gera is getting older and just back from a bad injury so cannot play every game, Dorrans has done nothing to convince anyone he's worth a start whereas Brunt has come on and contributed regularly this season supplying a few goals in the process.

Brunt has had an injury hit season so far but still made a good contribution to our opening 14 games, he's also been seen as important cog in our wheel by the last four managers and has been captain under the last three - so he must be doing something right.

Let's not over react after our first bad performance of the season eh? It makes us look fickle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 29, 2012, 09:23:04 AM
Didn't come on here last night, thought to myself someone is going to be made a scapegoat, logged on this morning and it seems that Brunt has been the chosen one. How very predictable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 29, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
Look a bit closer & you'll see Billy Jones is also on the naughty board  :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on November 29, 2012, 09:53:44 AM
Didn't come on here last night, thought to myself someone is going to be made a scapegoat, logged on this morning and it seems that Brunt has been the chosen one. How very predictable.

It's one of the main reasons i rarely bother these days, we seem incapable of giving the opposition credit and accepting the fact that not everthing will allways go to plan.

I'd love to count up Brunt's assists and work rate stats over the last few seasons, just to kill the myth about him being lazy and not adding anything to our team.

Mulumbu and Morrisson were poor too, where are their threads?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on November 29, 2012, 10:01:11 AM
I am not looking for a scapegoat for last night's performance frankly we had 11 players and a coach who could all have done better.

Since Brunt has come to the club I have definitely been in the camp that the team is better with him than without him, but he has not been great this season albeit it has been a season that has been disrupted by injury. My view is that he should come good in the wide left position but on current form Dorrans and Gera are starting to look better options and really Brunt needs to take the next opportunity he gets otherwise he will start to struggle to find a place in the team.

 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albiontilidie on November 29, 2012, 10:03:11 AM
Brunt is always everyone scapegoat,

Mulumbu never he could have the worse game on the pitch and people would be like he worked hard, The amount of times he gives the ball away on a good day let alone a bad day,

One bad result and all this,

We are sitting 3rd in the table if the season finished at the end of last night we would still be in the Champions league,
If we were 10-14th in the league everyone would of been happy, as soccer am would say its all about our bouncebackability on Saturday
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on November 29, 2012, 10:05:29 AM
Laudrup has said that it's the best Swansea have played in years! So I think we need to give them a bit of credit at least.
It's just one of those grounds that will probably dish up these kind of results year on year.
Just need a turnaround against stoke
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Not a Brunt fan by any means and yes last night he was poor but was he the worst and does he deserve to be singled out ?

Answer is a big fat no !!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on November 29, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
I do rate Brunt and certainly think he adds something to our squad and would be valuable in certain games whether starting or coming off the bench to see out games.

However I think in previous seasons he has been a key player for us, i no longer think he falls into that catergory as our new style of play i dont think suits him. We allow teams a lot of the ball and then hit them with pace on the counter attack, i think probably due to the type of player Brunt is his natural instinct is to slow the game down, he has a fantastic pass on him but for quick one/two touch stuff which is the way we counter i dont think it suits him.

I would think Saturday when we play Stoke may be more suited to Brunt because we will have more possession than them, the onus will be on us, probably the same when we play Villa, Reading, West Ham, Norwich too plus one or two others, sides where we will have more of the ball.

Brunt was rubbish last night but so was everyone else!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 29, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
The thread didn't reopen with blaming him for last night. Just asked, informed by last night and the rest of the season to date, whether he should start.

And most of us who've answered haven't blamed him for last night either. Just concluded that, no, his form over quite a long period, including last night, doesn't justify a start.

They almost all played badly last night. Brunt is not a scapegoat for last night's defeat. He's just the subject of this thread because, er, he's the subject of this thread.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 29, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
I do rate Brunt and certainly think he adds something to our squad and would be valuable in certain games whether starting or coming off the bench to see out games.

However I think in previous seasons he has been a key player for us, i no longer think he falls into that catergory as our new style of play i dont think suits him. We allow teams a lot of the ball and then hit them with pace on the counter attack, i think probably due to the type of player Brunt is his natural instinct is to slow the game down, he has a fantastic pass on him but for quick one/two touch stuff which is the way we counter i dont think it suits him.

I would think Saturday when we play Stoke may be more suited to Brunt because we will have more possession than them, the onus will be on us, probably the same when we play Villa, Reading, West Ham, Norwich too plus one or two others, sides where we will have more of the ball.

Brunt was rubbish last night but so was everyone else!

And we're solidly last in the Prem in crosses, which doesn't exactly play to one of Brunty's strengths.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: pointergeorge on November 29, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
Brunt was very poor, and seems to have an attitude problem, shrugging and moaning instead of getting stuck in.  Odimwingie just doesn't pass, and lost the ball every time.  Fortune and  Long should lead the line Saturday, as they are tough enough for the Stoke thugs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on November 29, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
the team and management all below par on the night.Captain not in a million years
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tremtastic on November 29, 2012, 11:05:20 AM
Just concluded that, no, his form over quite a long period, including last night, doesn't justify a start.

Don't think anyone would disagree that Gera, Mozza and Odemwingie is our best combination in attacking midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on November 29, 2012, 11:18:29 AM
Captain not in a million years

So Di Matteo, Hodgson and Clarke are all wrong then?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 29, 2012, 11:22:25 AM
One thing I noticed is when Brunty did one of his Row Z specials Clarke didn't look best pleased exactly. Hope Steve puts a stop to them we must have seen literally a hundred of those over the years, much better to keep possession within the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 29, 2012, 12:06:10 PM
Chris Brunt has always been the kind of player that takes a while to get going in a season and that is after completing a full pre-season program. He hasn't had that luxury this time and has suffered with injuries, he has always been one of those players that stand out when things aren't going too well but I think that is down to his genuine demeanor where he always seems to point the finger at others on the pitch rather than take any responsibility himself.

He will always be a frustrating player, on his day he is absolutely top quality and is always capable of doing something quality that can make a difference in a match and that must be the reason so many managers have had him down as one of the first names on the team sheet come the weekend. When he isn't playing well he usually stands out from the rest unfortunately.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jonny on November 29, 2012, 02:01:17 PM
He takes a mean set piece, something that is vital in the current day and age.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 29, 2012, 02:09:13 PM
He takes a mean set piece, something that is vital in the current day and age.

He does that, by far our best. I just wish he'd rediscover his open play form.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
He does that, by far our best. I just wish he'd rediscover his open play form.


Maybe its the added pressure of him being captain
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on November 29, 2012, 03:46:41 PM

Maybe its the added pressure of him being captain

It shouldn't make a difference if you ask me but I agree, it all seems to have coincided with one another 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on November 29, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
He is a left footed beckham, they got well known for having the best crossing ability around along with awesome passing, so they then see themselves as centre midfielders and too good to be out wide even though that's what made them known in the first place hence why brunt is always drifting inside and beckham now plays in the centre......problem is they cant tackle, have no pace, rubbish with the weaker foot, cant head the ball and not box to box players.......brunt should be hogging the touchline whipping balls in with gera on the right heading them in..........he should go back to basics which made him known in the first place.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
He is a left footed beckham, they got well known for having the best crossing ability around along with awesome passing, so they then see themselves as centre midfielders and too good to be out wide even though that's what made them known in the first place hence why brunt is always drifting inside and beckham now plays in the centre......problem is they cant tackle, have no pace, rubbish with the weaker foot, cant head the ball and not box to box players.......brunt should be hogging the touchline whipping balls in with gera on the right heading them in..........he should go back to basics which made him known in the first place.

Can't argue with any of that, no doubt others will disagree but I see it spot on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie79 on November 29, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
He is a left footed beckham, they got well known for having the best crossing ability around along with awesome passing, so they then see themselves as centre midfielders and too good to be out wide even though that's what made them known in the first place hence why brunt is always drifting inside and beckham now plays in the centre......problem is they cant tackle, have no pace, rubbish with the weaker foot, cant head the ball and not box to box players.......brunt should be hogging the touchline whipping balls in with gera on the right heading them in..........he should go back to basics which made him known in the first place.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on November 29, 2012, 05:00:27 PM
Thinking about our senior players, I can easily recall from recent memory outstanding performances from both of our centre backs, from Odemwingie, from Morrison, from Foster, from Long, from Gera, from Mulumbu, from Jacob, and from Fortune. I'm not specifically blaming him for last night because that would be unfair, but when was the last time we saw an outstanding performance from Chris Brunt? I mean a match winning performance, even a man of the match performance, ok even a very good performance where you would say he was one of our best 3 players on the day. Seriously, it was so long ago that I can't remember it. And he is the captain of the team, meant to be an inspiration to others, meant to lead by example, meant to be consistently good. I know every player has an off day (several did last night), but Brunt's performances over the last couple of years seem to range only from quite good to abysmal. Not good enough any more imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on November 29, 2012, 05:20:02 PM
Didn't come on here last night, thought to myself someone is going to be made a scapegoat, logged on this morning and it seems that Brunt has been the chosen one. How very predictable.

Nah, you're right. Brunt was fantastic last night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2012, 08:14:27 PM
Yawn, Brunt appears to be becoming the next Carson, Moore on here... Technically brilliant footballer, finding his feet after a series of niggling injuries and no preseason. Perhaps getting behind the club captain and joint longest serving player might be an idea?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on November 29, 2012, 08:38:43 PM
Yawn, Brunt appears to be becoming the next Carson, Moore on here... Technically brilliant footballer, finding his feet after a series of niggling injuries and no preseason. Perhaps getting behind the club captain and joint longest serving player might be an idea?
Jacko, my thoughts EXACTLY!!! Agree with every word!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2012, 08:43:39 PM
Yawn, Brunt appears to be becoming the next Carson, Moore on here... Technically brilliant footballer, finding his feet after a series of niggling injuries and no preseason. Perhaps getting behind the club captain and joint longest serving player might be an idea?

Is there any need for the total over-reaction contained in that post ?

Is there any abuse towards Brunt ? Is Brunt receiving the same abuse that either Carson or Moore received on this and other forums in this thread ?

Answer to both is no. There is nothing in this thread that is not purely discussing a player of this football club and there is certainly nothing any different to what you yourself have said in the same context previously about for example Graham Dorrans or Shane Long.

Heaven forbid a football forum dedicated to a football club has members with the audacity to give views on a player or players that may contain any form of criticism.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on November 29, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Yawn, Brunt appears to be becoming the next Carson, Moore on here... Technically brilliant footballer, finding his feet after a series of niggling injuries and no preseason. Perhaps getting behind the club captain and joint longest serving player might be an idea?

Just like you get behind Dorrans eh Jacko?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
I do believe Brunt needs more time after missing so much football over the last 12 months, i also don't think the stop start comebacks have done him much good mentally either .As we know with Brunt it doesn't take a lot for the "world to be on his shoulders" so a bit of patience and hopefully we might see the player we know he can be.
That said i have two worries over Brunt, one being although he was never the quickest I'm starting to feel he has lost a touch of pace which leads me to my second worry of him not fitting in Clarke's fairly quick and mobile team.
Let's hope he stays fit and finds his form sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 29, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
Nah, you're right. Brunt was fantastic last night.

No he wasn't but nor were a majority of the starting XI.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 29, 2012, 09:12:49 PM
No one in a red shirt had a good game last night, specifically to Brunt he has not looked right for some time, not only does he look slower than the actual game but he lets his head drop quickly.
Last night at one stage ridgewell,Jonas and Morrison were having words about him tracking back and he didn't look too pleased, whilst I understand he's not defensive it would be fair to say that the most prolific prem striker we have ever had gets plenty for not tracking back?
I don't dislike him, I don't want him to be a scapegoat, I do think we have got better than he has, I think if he played wide left stayed wide and stopped going central/ trying Hollywood passes/shots he may still have something to offer?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on November 29, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
Is there any need for the total over-reaction contained in that post ?

Is there any abuse towards Brunt ? Is Brunt receiving the same abuse that either Carson or Moore received on this and other forums in this thread ?

Answer to both is no. There is nothing in this thread that is not purely discussing a player of this football club and there is certainly nothing any different to what you yourself have said in the same context previously about for example Graham Dorrans or Shane Long.

Heaven forbid a football forum dedicated to a football club has members with the audacity to give views on a player or players that may contain any form of criticism.
Well said that man. I would like to see some grown up debate. A number of posters have made what I think are perfectly justifiable criticisms and I've yet to see anyone coming up with any evidence to the contrary. It's one thing liking a player (I quite liked Carson), but quite another to come up with arguments that they are playing well when they clearly aren't (in my humble opinion  :D )
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
Chris Brunt has strengths and he has his weaknesses. Just like every other member of the squad. Over his time with us he has proved to be a success, not only with his goals, but with the amount of assists he has brought to the side as well. Granted he had a poor performance last night but as did many of the team, there certainly isn't no "scapegoat" in this squad and given the time Brunt will correct those which doubt him, quite simply because he has the quality and ability to do so. I thought his performance was very good at Sunderland, like James Morrison, like Claudio Yacob, like Peter Odemwingie, like Jonas Olsson, like Gareth McAuley who were all below par last night. These things happen sometimes and its up to the players dust themselves down and respond in the next game and given what I've seen from Steve Clarke so far, I think they will.

Another thing on Brunt. Providing he remains injury free, I do see him having an important role in this side which could be said for a number of our players now such is the quality within the group.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 29, 2012, 10:55:09 PM
Wow, Liam. That was diplomatic!  ;D

Brunt has the talent, we all know that. But to me it is time he stepped up his game a notch or two. It's time he stepped up his game like Morrison has been able to do. Brunt, imo, carries two bad problems that is keeping him back, his constant moaning at himself and others ie his mental attitude, and his continued poor open play form.

The form is a concern because Brunt, in my view, far too often 'strolls' through the games rather than take them by the scruff of the neck which he has the ability to do. The only thing keeping him back is himself. And that leads back to his main problem, his attitude and focus, the mental aspect.

I'd like to see him sharpen up a bit, drop the negative thinking habits, clear his mind, and lose a little weight. He looks ponderous out there nowadays. This is not only related to his injury and lack of proper off season, he has for a few seasons now and his form has suffered as a result.

I think if he did that he would find his form improving.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on November 29, 2012, 11:15:31 PM
Maybe he shouldn't wear the armband anymore he may feel bit more pressure with it. Never thought he was Captain material myself anyway
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Does the armband really make a difference? It's something which is regularly mentioned when he has a poor game. At the end of the day, on the pitch are enough leaders. Gareth McAuley and Jonas Olsson are amongst the most vocal of members on the pitch and will take the pressure off Brunty - I would also like to think the lads in the squad don't need to be egged on by a captain. The only extra addition to the role is the media work he will do with the club visiting schools etc as part of our foundation project but that shouldn't effect his performances. It's also a point which is rarely mentioned when he performs well. A poster some months ago claimed English Football had a fixation with the captaincy and it isn't really important and that poster was probably correct.

Three different managers have now seen Chris Brunt as their club captain and unless we see his demeanor every day then it is very hard for us to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2012, 12:02:55 AM
Premier League Assists:

2010/11:

        Player                           Team                   Assists
1   Nani                                   Manchester United        14
2   Didier Drogba                   Chelsea                         13
3   Leighton Baines           Everton                         11
        Wayne Rooney                   Manchester United         11
        Andrei Arshavin           Arsenal                         11
        Cesc Fábregas                   Arsenal                         11
7   Ashley Young                   Aston Villa                 10
8   Joey Barton                   Newcastle United           9
        Chris Brunt                   West Bromwich Albion   9
10   Jermaine Pennant           Stoke City                   8
        Rafael Van der Vaart   Tottenham Hotspur           8
        Charlie Adam                   Blackpool                           8
13   Dirk Kuyt                           Liverpool                           7
        Robin Van Persie           Arsenal                           7
        Stewart Downing           Aston Villa                   7
        David Silva                   Manchester City           7
        Theo Walcott                   Arsenal                           7
        Peter Odemwingie           West Bromwich Albion   7


2011/12

        Player                           Team                              Assists
1   David Silva                   Manchester City   15
2   Antonio Valencia           Manchester United   13
        Juan Mata                   Chelsea   13
4   Emmanuel Adebayor   Tottenham Hotspur   11
        Alex Song                           Arsenal   11
6   Nani                                   Manchester United   10
        Gareth Bale                   Tottenham Hotspur   10
8   Robin Van Persie           Arsenal   9
        Samir Nasri                   Manchester City   9
        Stephane Sessegnon   Sunderland   9
11   Ryan Giggs                   Manchester United   8
        Sergio Agüero                   Manchester City   8
        Theo Walcott                   Arsenal   8
14   Matthew Etherington   Stoke City   7
        Rafael Van der Vaart   Tottenham Hotspur   7
        Wesley Hoolahan           Norwich City   7
        Steven Pienaar           Everton   7
        Ashley Young               Manchester United   7
        Kevin Doyle                   Wolverhampton Wanderers   7
20   Jermaine Pennant           Stoke City   6
        Ashley Cole                   Chelsea   6
        Martin Petrov                   Bolton Wanderers   6
        Chris Eagles                   Bolton Wanderers   6
        Clint Dempsey                   Fulham   6
   Chris Brunt                   West Bromwich Albion   6
         Yaya Touré                   Manchester City   6
         Yohan Cabaye                   Newcastle United   6
         Gervinho                           Arsenal   6
         Charlie Adam                   Liverpool   6


He already has two this year which is more than Morrison, Gera, Dorrans, Mulumbu, Yacob, Fortune, Lukaku...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 30, 2012, 06:56:31 AM
Premier League Assists:

2010/11:

        Player                           Team                   Assists
1   Nani                                   Manchester United        14
2   Didier Drogba                   Chelsea                         13
3   Leighton Baines           Everton                         11
        Wayne Rooney                   Manchester United         11
        Andrei Arshavin           Arsenal                         11
        Cesc Fábregas                   Arsenal                         11
7   Ashley Young                   Aston Villa                 10
8   Joey Barton                   Newcastle United           9
        Chris Brunt                   West Bromwich Albion   9
10   Jermaine Pennant           Stoke City                   8
        Rafael Van der Vaart   Tottenham Hotspur           8
        Charlie Adam                   Blackpool                           8
13   Dirk Kuyt                           Liverpool                           7
        Robin Van Persie           Arsenal                           7
        Stewart Downing           Aston Villa                   7
        David Silva                   Manchester City           7
        Theo Walcott                   Arsenal                           7
        Peter Odemwingie           West Bromwich Albion   7


2011/12

        Player                           Team                              Assists
1   David Silva                   Manchester City   15
2   Antonio Valencia           Manchester United   13
        Juan Mata                   Chelsea   13
4   Emmanuel Adebayor   Tottenham Hotspur   11
        Alex Song                           Arsenal   11
6   Nani                                   Manchester United   10
        Gareth Bale                   Tottenham Hotspur   10
8   Robin Van Persie           Arsenal   9
        Samir Nasri                   Manchester City   9
        Stephane Sessegnon   Sunderland   9
11   Ryan Giggs                   Manchester United   8
        Sergio Agüero                   Manchester City   8
        Theo Walcott                   Arsenal   8
14   Matthew Etherington   Stoke City   7
        Rafael Van der Vaart   Tottenham Hotspur   7
        Wesley Hoolahan           Norwich City   7
        Steven Pienaar           Everton   7
        Ashley Young               Manchester United   7
        Kevin Doyle                   Wolverhampton Wanderers   7
20   Jermaine Pennant           Stoke City   6
        Ashley Cole                   Chelsea   6
        Martin Petrov                   Bolton Wanderers   6
        Chris Eagles                   Bolton Wanderers   6
        Clint Dempsey                   Fulham   6
   Chris Brunt                   West Bromwich Albion   6
         Yaya Touré                   Manchester City   6
         Yohan Cabaye                   Newcastle United   6
         Gervinho                           Arsenal   6
         Charlie Adam                   Liverpool   6


He already has two this year which is more than Morrison, Gera, Dorrans, Mulumbu, Yacob, Fortune, Lukaku...

Ahhh statistics..........you've gotta love em.

Does this mean that Brunt is 'as good' as Yaya Toure?  ;)

I guess your defence of Brunt balances out your criticism of Dorrans.....Ying & Yang
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smudger 2007 on November 30, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
His one main problem is he is far too slow. When we break quick he does slow us right down.Dont get me wrong hes very gifted and has a wand of a left foot at times. I feel hes at his best when wide left in a four as at wigan. he should just concentrate on getting half a yard and whipping balls in. Problem is we dont play that formation very often anymore and his game suffers as a conciquence. The way we play with one up front doesnt suit him as his crosses have to be pinpoint to long. Where as if there were two up there. he can just put it in an area for either striker to attack.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 30, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
I agree, not only is he slow he is also not very agile. That's why I said I'd like to see him lose a little weight, a small improvement here could go a very long way. If he gains a step and a bit more mobility he could both buy himself more time offensively and be able to support better defensively. I like him though and hope he can get back on track. Unlike some I don't necessarily think he must play on the wing as a cross bot to be effective for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on November 30, 2012, 04:57:30 PM
I agree, not only is he slow he is also not very agile.
..........and not very good at tackling, not very good at tracking back, doesnt score many goals, and his general body language and gestures aren't what you would hope for in a captain, but accepted he does have a wand of a left foot and gets a good amount of assists. I just dont think his overall performance level justifies his place in the team at the present time
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2012, 05:01:39 PM
Ahhh statistics..........you've gotta love em.

Does this mean that Brunt is 'as good' as Yaya Toure?  ;)

I guess your defence of Brunt balances out your criticism of Dorrans.....Ying & Yang

Not really only one of them has any premier league pedigree...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on November 30, 2012, 05:27:04 PM
Not really only one of them has any premier league pedigree...
Pedigree, pedigree, it's clear that Brunt is your pedigree chum and Dorrans is your Asda smart price dog food. But Brunt isn't the dogs balls that you seem to think, and neither is Dorrans the dog's dinner that you are so fond of claiming
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on November 30, 2012, 06:16:12 PM
His one main problem is he is far too slow. When we break quick he does slow us right down.Dont get me wrong hes very gifted and has a wand of a left foot at times. I feel hes at his best when wide left in a four as at wigan. he should just concentrate on getting half a yard and whipping balls in. Problem is we dont play that formation very often anymore and his game suffers as a conciquence. The way we play with one up front doesnt suit him as his crosses have to be pinpoint to long. Where as if there were two up there. he can just put it in an area for either striker to attack.
Against Sunderland we broke a few times quick and I saw Brunt at the edge of the box or in the box so I don't buy that argument that he is too slow on the break. In fact one time we broke the announcer said for a few moments Brunt was there to receive the through ball which he was. I remember watching him after we got possesion dart down the pitch quite quickly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 30, 2012, 06:23:46 PM
Brunt made one superb run against Sunderland but Odemwingie opted to shoot narrowly past the Sunderland goal instead. A slide through pass there and Brunty might have scored.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 30, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
Ahhh statistics..........you've gotta love em.

Does this mean that Brunt is 'as good' as Yaya Toure?  ;)


That's nothing. Last season he was "better" than David Silva and Robin van Persie.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 30, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
Im sure Brunt will come good, in the next few games will take him a while to come back to form after that injury.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 30, 2012, 08:19:02 PM
That's nothing. Last season he was "better" than David Silva and Robin van Persie.

I feel a song coming on here............we all agree Brunty is better than >>>>>
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 30, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
I feel a song coming on here............we all agree Brunty is better than >>>>>

Nah, lets stick with 'Chrissy brunt brunt brunt'. I feel great affection for him and he still has a role to play. He's just not David Silva. Or Zoltan Gera.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 01, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
Wow, Liam. That was diplomatic!  ;D

Brunt has the talent, we all know that. But to me it is time he stepped up his game a notch or two. It's time he stepped up his game like Morrison has been able to do. Brunt, imo, carries two bad problems that is keeping him back, his constant moaning at himself and others ie his mental attitude, and his continued poor open play form.

The form is a concern because Brunt, in my view, far too often 'strolls' through the games rather than take them by the scruff of the neck which he has the ability to do. The only thing keeping him back is himself. And that leads back to his main problem, his attitude and focus, the mental aspect.

I'd like to see him sharpen up a bit, drop the negative thinking habits, clear his mind, and lose a little weight. He looks ponderous out there nowadays. This is not only related to his injury and lack of proper off season, he has for a few seasons now and his form has suffered as a result.

I think if he did that he would find his form improving.
i have to say i agree with you , i am not bruntys biggest fan since we have been in the prem this time round because i do not think he is a positive enough player when the chips are down especially as captain,
 but i will say this , everybody at the club knows his capabilities and his weakness as they do with PO and while we continue to use the tactics of conceding the space on the flanks  to the opposition  and then expecting our flank men to deal with it playing Brunty and PO in those roles  are always going to be dodgy, especially against quality opposition , management have to take some responsability and in my view its horses for courses he performed exactly as he always does under  the circumstances of the game so at least he was consistent
this is one of the reasons why we have a squad, its about playing the right players to suit the opposition you are playing and in my view Brunty never should have started against Swansea
he still has a role to play in the squad but it has to be against the right opposition and like most players he can be useful coming of the bench
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
So showing Brunt's assists in the last three seasons is me suggesting he is better than other players below him on the list? I haven't made any such implication. Was purely to show his contribution to our side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 01, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
So showing Brunt's assists in the last three seasons is me suggesting he is better than other players below him on the list? I haven't made any such implication. Was purely to show his contribution to our side.

That's fair enough Jacko but the fact that Yaya Toure had exactly the same amount of assists kind of makes the statistic look unreliable in the grand scheme of what each player is worth to their team & in my opinion shows little reference to the players overall contribution to the team.

I'm not slagging Brunty at all, I love it when he's on the ball & has a bit of time, he can create things & pick a pass can't he?.

However I would agree with a few other posters that he doesn't always suit certain games when he slows things down & his body language does seem a bit suss at times, that said I think it would cost us a few quid if we had to replace him.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2012, 11:57:35 AM
The way to look at it, is that City had two other players in the list... We didn't have any.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 01, 2012, 10:35:46 PM
I received some abuse on here when first raising this thread.

More and more people seem to be joining this bandwagon.  He is generally too slow for this division, although he was good at Sunderland.

There can be no sentiment in football and the guy's best days look behind him.  I'll always support him when in a blue and white shirt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 01, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
Some people go over the top, he's had good and bad games (most players have) however I don't think we can call him a first team starter anymore?, not fantastically paced (neither is Beckham) but good enough as a squad player.
Wouldn't play every week for me but I wouldn't shoot him either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 01, 2012, 11:00:34 PM
We badly missed his set piece deliveries today though  :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
We badly missed his set piece deliveries today though  :-*

Whats the point of putting crosses into the area against a defence like Stoke ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 01, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
Whats the point of putting crosses into the area against a defence like Stoke ?

Well the chances of the ball landing on the head of one of our players is larger if the ball clears the first man, no? Maybe we should have played short corners for the whole game?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Whats the point of putting crosses into the area against a defence like Stoke ?

We'll never know with todays output from Dorrans and principally Gera...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Against a big defence like that where we have no-one who can compete in the air other than Olsson or McAuley ? Lukaku as big as he is  is no better in the aerial challenge than Miller was.

Why constantly the digs at Dorrans Jacko, its embarrassing

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Dorrans and Gera took the set pieces today until Brunt came on...  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2012, 11:29:23 PM
As you well know i'm not just on about this thread and this topic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: DaveWBA on December 02, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
I agree with Jacko on this one, the delivery from Dorrans and Gera was shocking all afternoon. If we insist on putting high balls into the box against Stoke then its going to have to be a good one, makes sense then that we get Brunt on the pitch from the off seeing as he takes the best corner/freekick at club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 02, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
The corners from Dorrans and Gera were very poor Yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paul_47 on December 08, 2012, 04:48:21 PM
Club Captain!.....Sorry but for me, he just ain't a premier player PS he appeals and points well!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jonny on December 08, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
I do think his lack of discipline is a massive concern.

But Gera went AWOL, Mozza gave the ball away, didnt realise Odem was on the pitch, so why is brunt the brunt of criticism?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on December 08, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
He has been poor for a while now. I think id rather have Gera, Morrison and Dorans and id like to see Thomas given a go soon. Brunt is an okay player but when off form and not even creating many chances he may as well be benched.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 08, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
Set pieces disappointing and he is not , never will be a centre midfielder. Not sure who's to blame for trying to make him into one but to see Brunt sitting in front of the back four away at Arsenal today and looking like a little kid lost was embarrassing.

We are in danger of ruining a player with one of the best left foots in the Premier League, he is a wide midfielder and on his day a bloody good one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 08, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
We are wasting his talents playing him in centre mid, he is far more effective out on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 08, 2012, 08:53:33 PM
I do think his lack of discipline is a massive concern.

But Gera went AWOL, Mozza gave the ball away, didnt realise Odem was on the pitch, so why is brunt the brunt of criticism?

Even the Mighty Mulumbu was godawful today. But some players are quicker to receive criticism than others. There is still a good player inside Brunt, up to Clarke to get him back on his feet again and part of things.

I disagree with others here seeing him as a winger, to me Brunt is one of our players that can do the unexpected with the ball, exactly what we lacked today, and that doesn't happen from the wing which is why Brunty always goes in field looking for the ball.

I think I'd take Brunt out of the team for a couple of weeks, and let him work hard on his fitness.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on December 08, 2012, 08:55:10 PM

We are in danger of ruining a player with one of the best left foots in the Premier League, he is a wide midfielder and on his day a bloody good one.
...........but when was his last "day"? Agree that he used to be a good player but for some reason he has totally lost it. No pace, poor in the tackle, moans his head off, even his passing and delivery seem to have largely deserted him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 08, 2012, 09:26:22 PM
Even the Mighty Mulumbu was godawful today. But some players are quicker to receive criticism than others. There is still a good player inside Brunt, up to Clarke to get him back on his feet again and part of things.

I disagree with others here seeing him as a winger, to me Brunt is one of our players that can do the unexpected with the ball, exactly what we lacked today, and that doesn't happen from the wing which is why Brunty always goes in field looking for the ball.

I think I'd take Brunt out of the team for a couple of weeks, and let him work hard on his fitness.

Morrison or Brunt it would come down to as Yacob and Mulumbu in front of the back four are a given, so which do you think is a better option and deserves to play in the middle ?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 08, 2012, 09:48:06 PM
Morrison or Brunt it would come down to as Yacob and Mulumbu in front of the back four are a given, so which do you think is a better option and deserves to play in the middle ?

I'm not certain Yacob and Mulumbu are a given in all games. Especially at home when we need a bit of creativity I think we may need to split them up. Their strength is in the defensive more than the offensive.

I'd look to find a way to play Brunt centrally, either as cm or as playmaker deeper - Pirlo style. Or move him back to the right wing once he has found some form againWe used to be really good at coming back into games when we allowed Brunty a freer role under RdM and Mr Hodgson (in the spring after he took over playing 451), but now when we play a more strict game we never look like coming back if we get one down. I'd like for us to find a bit of that creativity and fluidity again when we need to and Brunty was a big part of that.

Maybe we should move PO up top again and Brunty back to the right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 08, 2012, 10:00:53 PM
I'm not certain Yacob and Mulumbu are a given in all games. Especially at home when we need a bit of creativity I think we may need to split them up. Their strength is in the defensive more than the offensive.

I'd look to find a way to play Brunt centrally, either as cm or as playmaker deeper - Pirlo style. Or move him back to the right wing once he has found some form againWe used to be really good at coming back into games when we allowed Brunty a freer role under RdM and Mr Hodgson (in the spring after he took over playing 451), but now when we play a more strict game we never look like coming back if we get one down. I'd like for us to find a bit of that creativity and fluidity again when we need to and Brunty was a big part of that.

Maybe we should move PO up top again and Brunty back to the right.

Yacob and Mulumbu as a pair have been one of the major reasons for our excellent start to the season. We also had that start without Brunt playing a major role so why would we need to shift the team around to fit him in ?

Also by moving Odemwingie up top then where does that leave Long who again has played a major part in our start.

We've suffered in the past from square pegs in round holes, we don't need to start it again in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 09, 2012, 02:19:25 AM
Yacob and Mulumbu as a pair have been one of the major reasons for our excellent start to the season. We also had that start without Brunt playing a major role so why would we need to shift the team around to fit him in ?

Also by moving Odemwingie up top then where does that leave Long who again has played a major part in our start.

We've suffered in the past from square pegs in round holes, we don't need to start it again in my opinion.

Long has been completely marked out of the games lately. Yacob and Mulumbu doesn't always work, like the games against Stoke and Swansea where we lacked creativity and ideas. It's about horses for courses and picking teams that work against the right opponents.

If we get PO and Brunt firing again, but lose Long, that's two players gained for one lost. Why does Long always get preferrential treatment? Maybe he can adapt for once, like others are asked to do?

I think we need a plan B and a plan C, because we became predictable, teams sussed us out and for three games running we got nowhere at all. We can't rely on Gera worldlies to score all the important goals for us.

Having said that, I think West Ham will be an easier game for us than the last three. Not easy, as in a guaranteed win by any means, but a team that plays a style we can find more space to exploit, unless they go all Stoke on us. If they do, what is our plan then? More of the same nonsense we have seen in the last three games?

Just because something worked in the past doesn't mean it will work in all eternity. To me Yacob is Player of the Season so far, pretty much. Mulumbu is normally a rock (not impressed with him after his hamstring injury though) but taken together I think we lack a bit of creativity and penetration when they both play, unless teams allow us to counter attack them.

I'd like for us to have a game plan other than counter attack the hell out of them, because we cannot always do that. We haven't really moved the ball well in midfield all season, for all our good start. It's time we got that part of our game back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 09, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
Long has been completely marked out of the games lately. Yacob and Mulumbu doesn't always work, like the games against Stoke and Swansea where we lacked creativity and ideas. It's about horses for courses and picking teams that work against the right opponents.

If we get PO and Brunt firing again, but lose Long, that's two players gained for one lost. Why does Long always get preferrential treatment? Maybe he can adapt for once, like others are asked to do?

I think we need a plan B and a plan C, because we became predictable, teams sussed us out and for three games running we got nowhere at all. We can't rely on Gera worldlies to score all the important goals for us.

Having said that, I think West Ham will be an easier game for us than the last three. Not easy, as in a guaranteed win by any means, but a team that plays a style we can find more space to exploit, unless they go all Stoke on us. If they do, what is our plan then? More of the same nonsense we have seen in the last three games?

Just because something worked in the past doesn't mean it will work in all eternity. To me Yacob is Player of the Season so far, pretty much. Mulumbu is normally a rock (not impressed with him after his hamstring injury though) but taken together I think we lack a bit of creativity and penetration when they both play, unless teams allow us to counter attack them.

I'd like for us to have a game plan other than counter attack the hell out of them, because we cannot always do that. We haven't really moved the ball well in midfield all season, for all our good start. It's time we got that part of our game back.


Totally agree with that.

Yacob, Mulumbu and Long were part of the great start, not sure I agree with them not working in the last three. Mulumbu has been in and out, Yacob the same and Long not supported enough. Nothing to do with preferrential treatment at all I just think they deserve to be playing and I think Long has adapted well all season, until the last couple of games where the 'whole' team has not been up for it.

You say we've lacked creativity, its no coincidence that Morrison has struggled last couple of games for some reason whereas before if he ticked so did we.

We made 6 changes against Stoke and with the exception of Rosenberg maybe no-one could argue with any of them, Swansea did us down the flanks good and proper so not sure how Mulumbu and Yacob not working in those games come into it.

I would like to see Odemwingie more involved at times but Clarke seems fit to leave him wide where he has played before and also said he is happy to do so.

For Brunt his best has always come for us out wide either side of the pitch, in the middle he looks like a little boy lost.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 09, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
Brunt needs to be dropped ASAP, he's lazy, has an attitude problem, he constantly drifts infield and he slows the play down which allows the opposition to regroup. Our best team doesn't include him any more, he should be on the bench. Odemwingie and Gera should be out wide with Morrison supporting Long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 09, 2012, 12:37:48 PM
Brunt needs to be dropped ASAP, he's lazy, has an attitude problem, he constantly drifts infield and he slows the play down which allows the opposition to regroup. Our best team doesn't include him any more, he should be on the bench. Odemwingie and Gera should be out wide with Morrison supporting Long.
When you become manager you can do what you want mate, but as I remember Brunt made the only valid chance we had in the 1st half yesterday.... also Clarke isn't looking for a "best team" he's looking for a group of players that can be utilised for a variety of tasks that could occur. He believes that Brunt has something that could be useful to the team and he's the one that matters.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on December 09, 2012, 01:09:00 PM
Brunt should have been dropped indefinitely after his non performance at Swansea. At the moment he is offering precious little to us, offensively or defensively. People harp on about his set-pieces, but this season they have been distinctly average. Lets get someone in the team who looks like they are actually bothered.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 09, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
Time for Brunt to be dropped, would much rather, Gera, Mozza and Pete been that mdfield three behind Long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 09, 2012, 04:23:18 PM
It's not Brunty's fault, but when we play Gera, Mozza, Yacob, Mulumbu and Brunt we simply lack speed and easily become very flat and predictable. Only having Long and PO with a turn of pace makes it easy for opponents to focus on them. This is underlined if we play Popov and Reid with their limited offensive games.

The one thing Thomas offers over Brunt is that Jerome can lift the team up the pitch with his running with the ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 09, 2012, 04:33:47 PM
The only problem with thomas however was the common complaint people had with him last year.... His refusal to beat his man, so surely we remain with the same predicament that our wide players cannot get around whoever is marking them?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 09, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
Whilst many have said we need a right back ,I have always said our first priority needs to be a fast winger , preferably two footed .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on December 09, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
The only problem with thomas however was the common complaint people had with him last year.... His refusal to beat his man, so surely we remain with the same predicament that our wide players cannot get around whoever is marking them?

At least Thomas is ABLE to beat a man, and under Roy became a much harder worker. Brunt isnt able to beat his man. But it is primarily Brunt's attitude that dismays me. I watched him closely yesterday and there were many times when he effectively gave up when we lost the ball. Ambled around, didnt track back, threw his arms up in the air numerous times when things hadnt gone his way, shook his head as if he had a god given right to get decisions, argued with the ref and linesman, got booked, and frankly was lucky not to be sent off for the challenge that gave away the second penalty. All this and he is captain !!!!!!!!!! He needs some strong management imo and needs to sort himself out quickly if he is to have a future at this club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 09, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
Yes, Brunty is his own worst enemy. He plays mind games on himself and it really has a negative effect on his performances... He needs to understand the old Samurai Zen principle of 'no mind'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 09, 2012, 06:06:50 PM
Yes, Brunty is his own worst enemy. He plays mind games on himself and it really has a negative effect on his performances... He needs to understand the old Samurai Zen principle of 'no mind'.
Don't know if you saw the teams yesterday in the tunnel but Brunty was going off on a right one in the tunnel at the ref, I'm not sure what it was about but his body language said it all before a ball was even kicked.
I really don't know what the problem is at the minute whether he's not fit or the system doesn't suit but he looks well out of sorts and I'm not sure whats next for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on December 09, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
Brunt is a footballer who generally looks good when he plays regular matches. I am not too sure he is suited to the rotation we utilise of our current five attacking players. Maybe I am wrong - but Brunt is a)generally a slow starter to seasons - b) it hasn't helped he has had a stop start season due to injuries. Having said that he's still one of our top ranking assist player. 

Also I agree with Dexy - his body language can be sseen as very negative at times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dangerman on December 17, 2012, 12:59:33 PM
Patients is running thin with him now.

For a winger he seems to not know what a wing is. Yes he's got a great left peg (when he can be bothered) but his general performances the past 12-18 months have been poor imo.

Would not be sad to see him go in the summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 17, 2012, 01:05:58 PM
Patients is running thin with him now.

For a winger he seems to not know what a wing is. Yes he's got a great left peg (when he can be bothered) but his general performances the past 12-18 months have been poor imo.

Would not be sad to see him go in the summer.
I don't think he'd consider himself a winger mate, more just a wide midfielder.

P.S. Be careful what you wish for.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 17, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
I don't think he'd consider himself a winger mate, more just a wide midfielder.

P.S. Be careful what you wish for.....

i just cannot warm to brunt, id much rather see dorrans start i think they both have killer passes in their locker, brunt doesnt do much else whereas i think dorrans has a better all round game, i'd even raher see thomas come in for brunt and put pistol on the right
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on December 17, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
Wingers dont really exist these days.  They all tend to tuck inside.  Its a lost art IMO.

Look at Ashley Young who cuts inside alot for United,  Silva and Nasri at City who roam.  Chelsea dont play with wingers.   Players who I'd describe as proper wingers like Downing and Adam Johnson are struggling for form every bit as much as Brunt.
 
What all those teams do have are full backs who provide the width which is what Popov and Jones did well at the weekend.   Thats the modern way of football. 
 
Brunt looked more assured in the middle 2nd half yesterday.  Our current and previous managers have all played him there so they must see something.   I think he can play in the middle and has proved he can over the last few years.  Hes off form perhaps but bear in mind he is always slow to start the season and he had a bad injury which has probably set him back further.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 17, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
Another Captain marvel performance.Captain my buttocks
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on December 17, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Wingers dont really exist these days.  They all tend to tuck inside.  Its a lost art IMO.

Look at Ashley Young who cuts inside alot for United,  Silva and Nasri at City who roam.  Chelsea dont play with wingers.   Players who I'd describe as proper wingers like Downing and Adam Johnson are struggling for form every bit as much as Brunt.
 
What all those teams do have are full backs who provide the width which is what Popov and Jones did well at the weekend.   Thats the modern way of football. 
 
Brunt looked more assured in the middle 2nd half yesterday.  Our current and previous managers have all played him there so they must see something.   I think he can play in the middle and has proved he can over the last few years.  Hes off form perhaps but bear in mind he is always slow to start the season and he had a bad injury which has probably set him back further.
Think the slow winger is a dieing breed certainly. The Beckham style winger who is all about delivery is something that is going of the game and this is where Brunt struggles out wide.

He knows he isn't quick and can't beat people and he wants to play with the game in front of him hence why he tucks into 'the hole' from his wide position so he can open himself up and see the game infront of him. As you say he looked much happier in the deep lying midfield role where he could get on the ball and see runners ahead of him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 17, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
He did Ok, nothing overly spectacular but he did his job, Morrison hit the bar twice from Brunt's set pieces. We only looked like scoring from a set piece but Brunt was putting in good passes around the pitch and I believe set up the Gera stinger in the 2nd half. He won't get remembered in the game like Pete for his running and taking people on, but he was quietly doing what Clarke asked of him. he gets a 6 1/2 from me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 17, 2012, 02:12:28 PM
Think the slow winger is a dieing breed certainly. The Beckham style winger who is all about delivery is something that is going of the game and this is where Brunt struggles out wide.

He knows he isn't quick and can't beat people and he wants to play with the game in front of him hence why he tucks into 'the hole' from his wide position so he can open himself up and see the game infront of him. As you say he looked much happier in the deep lying midfield role where he could get on the ball and see runners ahead of him.
Would you suggest playing him in Mulumbu's position next week? frees up Morrison to go forward, Gera out wide where he's been so successful this season and Brunt gets to have the game ahead of him and pick and choose his passes, while having some of the defensive duties hopefully covered by Yacob.

Think it could work?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stever60 on December 17, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
He did Ok, nothing overly spectacular but he did his job, Morrison hit the bar twice from Brunt's set pieces. We only looked like scoring from a set piece but Brunt was putting in good passes around the pitch and I believe set up the Gera stinger in the 2nd half. He won't get remembered in the game like Pete for his running and taking people on, but he was quietly doing what Clarke asked of him. he gets a 6 1/2 from me.
I thought Brunt was very poor. Pulled out of tackles time and time again. Too much arm waving when things dont go right. We dont have the luxury of having him on the pitch just for set pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on December 17, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
Would you suggest playing him in Mulumbu's position next week? frees up Morrison to go forward, Gera out wide where he's been so successful this season and Brunt gets to have the game ahead of him and pick and choose his passes, while having some of the defensive duties hopefully covered by Yacob.

Think it could work?
Yes it certainly could work, I was hoping he would move inside at half as it was clear the 442 was being stifled. Of course if Yacob doesn't make it then there a dilemma (but that's for a thread I just started on the next match forum) I would certainly play him in there as one of the two.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stever60 on December 17, 2012, 02:18:25 PM
Yes it certainly could work, I was hoping he would move inside at half as it was clear the 442 was being stifled. Of course if Yacob doesn't make it then there a dilemma (but that's for a thread I just started on the next match forum) I would certainly play him in there as one of the two.
Doh..........hope not
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on December 17, 2012, 02:23:56 PM
Doh..........hope not
Sorry but which bit do you hope not? Brunt playing centrally or Yacob being out?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 17, 2012, 02:27:09 PM
Think the Brunt part, seeing as he's just said we don't have the luxury of having a player for set pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stever60 on December 17, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Sorry but which bit do you hope not? Brunt playing centrally or Yacob being out?
Brunt playing centrally.........just dont think he is the player he was. Remember Long's goal at Sunderland; the miss hit pass from Brunt. He was already turning his back and flapping his arms. Just dont think he is committed enough
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on December 17, 2012, 02:38:21 PM
Clarke should tell the players they will be fined if they do that ridiculous arm waving thing while the balls still in play- Brunt's always doing it, Pete does it, so does Lukaku; in the time it takes to do it, they have lost a couple of yards on the opposition.  It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 17, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
Take the Captaincy off him and see him flourish.Our better performances this season so far have been with Olsson wearing the arm band and Brunt being on the bench.OK if Olsson don't want it give it to someone else
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 17, 2012, 03:01:45 PM
If Brunt is the answer in the middle of the pitch then I don't want to even consider the question.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on December 17, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
If Brunt is the answer in the middle of the pitch then I don't want to even consider the question.

The question is who can spray those long balls accurately from central midfield for Shane Long to run onto?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 17, 2012, 03:27:55 PM

The question is who can spray those long balls accurately from central midfield for Shane Long to run onto?

No idea but all we seem to be doing lately is hoofing it up to him, Brunt included.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 17, 2012, 03:42:10 PM
I must admit we are becoming a hoooooof ball team of late.No need to panic just yet.I heard fooof on the telly, was that towards our style or theirs
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 17, 2012, 05:19:58 PM
He's one of those that does have the ability to do something special out of nothing but only does it once in a blue moon these days. I won't criticise him too much for his performances this season as its been disrupted by injury and he's always seemed to take a while to get going in a season plus he isn't the only one not performing recently.

I don't rate him in the middle of the park I just don't think he has enough about his game to be effective there and I've always had doubts about his captaincy but I can only assume he does much more than we can actually see to have kept it so long. I'm not so sure the system we have played all season suits him to be completely honest, if you play him I believe you have to play him wide left and allow him to get some balls into the box which means the strikers need to get into the box early to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 17, 2012, 05:45:14 PM
I don't agree that we're a hoofball team, we're just aware in the last couple of games that the centre backs have lack pace and having Odemwingie and Long, two pacy players will hopefully play into our hands if we can get the centre halves turning the other way. It was a tactic which looked quite dangerous at times yesterday but it's worth remembering that it won't work every time given the nature of the robust centre halves and that it's a tactic you don't want to over-do. There were times yesterday when we looked slightly predictable looking to exploit the lack of pace in the back line and Brunt, Morrison, Olsson and McAuley were the guilty culprits of continuously looking for that option.

I don't agree with the logic that our performances have got worse due to Chris Brunt's introduction into the team. They have got worse because player performances all over the pitch, including Chris Brunt haven't been up to their high standards. If our players could reach their standards that they've set themselves over the last year or so, especially the last few months, then in my opinion, we shall have no problems. Trying to accommodate Chris Brunt is a problem. Is he what I call a 'ball player' and one of those that will come drifting into the centre to look for the ball which means giving him a position is slightly pointless as he shall roam to look for the ball - that's a sign of confidence for me that yesterday he actually wanted the ball, despite being out of sorts.

Does Chris Brunt fit in with our style of play at The Hawthorns? Possibly not. Earlier on in the season our build up play was very fast paced and I don't think Chris Brunt has the ability to play that style, although he could be an option if Mulumbu or Yacob missing through injury or suspension, however, away from home, he will more than suit the bill as he has the ability to retain possession, do his defensive duties and offer us more of a balance to the midfield as we shall generally look to break away using the pace of Odemwingie and Long and Brunt will provide us with the ammunition to get the ball moving forward quickly. It is slightly different at The Hawthorns as the emphasis is on ourselves and I think that's where he struggles.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on December 17, 2012, 05:54:56 PM
I actually thought he improved when moved into the centre however I havent been impressed with him this seaso and not that much last season either.

He is a bit slow and immobile  and does sometimes have a habit of turning us into a tam who play in the air rather than looking to put balls across the face of goal.

He has always had it in his locker to make something happen while not playing well however I think that has been happening less and less lately.

Should he be dropped? There is an argument to make that says he should be yeah.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on December 17, 2012, 06:09:41 PM
Brunt playing centrally.........just dont think he is the player he was. Remember Long's goal at Sunderland; the miss hit pass from Brunt. He was already turning his back and flapping his arms. Just dont think he is committed enough
Think it's a frustration with himself more than commitment. You can image how frustrating it is to be a player regarded as a good distributor miss hitting passes.

All players act differently at the end of the day but thought second half yesterday when he was playing a deeper central role he start to get more passes into to others feet and could open his body up and play which perked him up a bit rather than being out wide and constantly being faced up with a full back having to play down the line sometimes just trying to hit a space rather than his team mate.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 17, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
He is not a central defensive midfielder all of these are ahead of him
Yacob
Mulumbu
Dorrans
Morrison
Reid
Jara
Thorne
Tamas
So why try and force him in?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on December 17, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
I think that's basically true. And put like that, it's obvious and unanswerable.

Maybe brunt seemed like a better player when he was playing in a worse team (that is, Albion three years ago).

His form over two years is not just how he happens to be playing, it's the player that he is. And the player that he is is not a starter, in any position, in the current full strength WBA team.

Comparisons to Gera, Odemwingie, Morrison are simply misplaced. An occasional classy pass and well weighted free kick once or twice a game does not make him a top player. He simply isn't. He seemed it in an inferior team often playing at a lower level. In this team, at this level, over two years he has proved that he's a squad player, not a star.

I think if we proceed on that basis, he still has a contribution to make, but that adapting the team to find a place for him would be a mistake.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 17, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
What is noticeable is that when Brunt plays he is always drifting into the middle of the pitch and hogging the ball, all this does is get in the way of the other central midfielders. We then end up with 3 or 4 players in the middle too close together and inevitably we come under pressure when they are trying to link play together. Also when Brunt is playing Morrison is very quiet, yet when he's in the stand Morrison appears to turn into Messi which is bizarre!

Personally I think that Brunt is living off his past status as one of our big players, his selection is based on his experience and past not his quality or present form. I feel sorry for Dorran's who was probably our best player against Stoke, why is Brunt being picked ahead of him in the middle of the pitch?

Morrison has to play in the supporting attack role at the weekend, probably with Lukaku ahead of him and Dorrans should play in the middle, who is next to him depends on injuries.

Clarke needs to take Brunt alongside and deliver the obvious message, either he gives 110% on the pitch or he has no chance of being selected. Moaning, arm flailing, not tracking back, passing like he's still asleep, none of that can be tolerated if we are to move to a new level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 18, 2012, 12:41:09 AM
What is noticeable is that when Brunt plays he is always drifting into the middle of the pitch and hogging the ball, all this does is get in the way of the other central midfielders. We then end up with 3 or 4 players in the middle too close together and inevitably we come under pressure when they are trying to link play together. Also when Brunt is playing Morrison is very quiet, yet when he's in the stand Morrison appears to turn into Messi which is bizarre!

Personally I think that Brunt is living off his past status as one of our big players, his selection is based on his experience and past not his quality or present form. I feel sorry for Dorran's who was probably our best player against Stoke, why is Brunt being picked ahead of him in the middle of the pitch?

Morrison has to play in the supporting attack role at the weekend, probably with Lukaku ahead of him and Dorrans should play in the middle, who is next to him depends on injuries.

Clarke needs to take Brunt alongside and deliver the obvious message, either he gives 110% on the pitch or he has no chance of being selected. Moaning, arm flailing, not tracking back, passing like he's still asleep, none of that can be tolerated if we are to move to a new level.



Brunt still one of our best players, along with Pete and Gera the only player truly comfortable in possession while under pressure at this level.

Add to that the fact we only look like scoring from set pieces (taken by Brunt to a much higher standard than any of our other players).

That is why 4 consecutive managers have given him a key role in the side and three have used him as captain.

 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on December 18, 2012, 12:56:34 AM
Brunt playing centrally.........just dont think he is the player he was. Remember Long's goal at Sunderland; the miss hit pass from Brunt. He was already turning his back and flapping his arms. Just dont think he is committed enough

id say that particular moment was more to do with being annoyed at himself at what was a bad pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 18, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Brunt still one of our best players, along with Pete and Gera the only player truly comfortable in possession while under pressure at this level. Add to that the fact we only look like scoring from set pieces (taken by Brunt to a much higher standard than any of our other players).

I agree that his set peices were very good against West Ham but his passing has been woeful all season. I've lost count of the number of very simple balls that he has made a mess off. He keeps giving the ball away by passing inaccurately or at the wrong time over 5/10 yards which are simple balls (especially considering he has a cultured left foot) and then he's too quick to look for the hollywood ball over the top when it isn't on. I don't disagree that he has a very good left foot but it's not been put to much use over the past few months. More importantly he has to work harder for the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on December 18, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
Since Brunty got the captaincy he has been woeful (and I'm being kind)  and shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11, but I'm actually going to stick up for him today  :o, I thought his second half performance in the deep lying role  next to Mulumbu on Saturday was decent, he was calm and composed and didn't seem to give the ball away anywhere near the amount he did in the first half and actually did impress me without being spectacular, and more importantly it freed up Mozza to go and do what he does best further up the pitch, something which he hasn't had the chance to do lately due to Mulumbu or Yacob being out. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on December 18, 2012, 02:28:57 PM
Whats more frustrating is, early against west ham in first half he was on the left and whipped in a killer cross, you know that thing what made us buy brunt in the first place......yet that was the only cross from him other than a set-piece all game....the man cross's like noone else yet rarely does it, morrison scored against wigan like it and we's score alot more if the man just got into that postition alot more rather than drifting in spraying the ball around as we have players that can do that anyway but noone that can cross like brunt.........lukaku would get on the end of his cross's...morrison already has, gera would.....im just totally surprised by it all in truth.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 18, 2012, 05:06:31 PM
Moaning, arm flailing, not tracking back, passing like he's still asleep, none of that can be tolerated if we are to move to a new level.

We could do with a new squad then judging by those comments. Several members within the side moan but I personally don't mind it, nor the aim flailing as for me it shows they care and are bothered about their performances. The tracking back issue has been an issue for many of our wide players this season with Brunt certainly not the worst culprit for it, and the passing like he's still asleep can also count as a problem for the majority of the side considering how bad we've been at ball retention this season.

I do feel that many of our supporters use Brunt's arm waving as a stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 18, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
I do feel that many of our supporters use Brunt's arm waving as a stick to beat him with.
LOL, I just got a picture of a generic fan beating Brunt to death with his own arms!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2012, 01:40:08 AM
I've just realised that Brunt has already got two assists and perhaps a third if you argued the Sunderland one (seeing as the ball wasn't dead and the keeper wasn't under control of it so the play wasn't over) and also put in the last goal we scored at the corner for Lukaku (though the assist should really go to Olsson) and put the ball back the box in for the equaliser at Spurs. so that's five goals that Brunt has had a direct hand (no matter how small) in creating. Not bad.

I think (off the top of my head) that only Morrison and Shane have more assists in the league and perhaps level with Pete but I say he has 3 assists (because i can  :P). Ridgewell has one, Gera's got one at least, Pete's got 2 I think, McAuley has one (spurs), Olsson has one, Long's got like 4 or 5 now, Morrison's got about 3-4. Did I miss anyone?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 20, 2012, 08:31:11 AM
I've just realised that Brunt has already got two assists and perhaps a third if you argued the Sunderland one (seeing as the ball wasn't dead and the keeper wasn't under control of it so the play wasn't over) and also put in the last goal we scored at the corner for Lukaku (though the assist should really go to Olsson) and put the ball back the box in for the equaliser at Spurs. so that's five goals that Brunt has had a direct hand (no matter how small) in creating. Not bad.

I think (off the top of my head) that only Morrison and Shane have more assists in the league and perhaps level with Pete but I say he has 3 assists (because i can  :P). Ridgewell has one, Gera's got one at least, Pete's got 2 I think, McAuley has one (spurs), Olsson has one, Long's got like 4 or 5 now, Morrison's got about 3-4. Did I miss anyone?

think it was Rosenberg at Spurs. who put the ball back in that is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2012, 08:56:18 AM
think it was Rosenberg at Spurs. who put the ball back in that is.
Rosenberg's led to the clearance off the line from a header by Lukaku, Brunt got the ball back in, to McAuley to Morrison. If Brunt hadn't done that, the ball's gone for a throw and we may have had an early first loss.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on December 20, 2012, 10:37:17 AM
I think the problem Brunt has is that he is more of a squad player (and a good one at that) rather than a key first team player like he has been, but i still think he is an important asset to us.

I think thats just the squad evolving and improving over the years he has been with us, i dont think he is playing well at the moment but he isnt the only one.

Certain games will suit Brunt, i think home games possibly like this Saturday against Norwich and also Villa, Fulham, Sunderland, Newcastle, where we will have a lot of the ball, however games where we are are looking to counter teams and break quick i dont think suits Brunt.

Most people have varied and sensible opinions on Brunt and other players but the worry always is that some go to the extreme and make him a scapegoat, ie - Carson and Luke Moore and blame them for everything! A fella on sunday by me was blaming the corner for Morrison where he hit the bar saying if Brunt put it in lower then Morrison would of caught it better and we would of scored, quite an interesting observation!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2012, 10:43:56 AM
I think the problem Brunt has is that he is more of a squad player (and a good one at that) rather than a key first team player like he has been, but i still think he is an important asset to us.

I think thats just the squad evolving and improving over the years he has been with us, i dont think he is playing well at the moment but he isnt the only one.

Certain games will suit Brunt, i think home games possibly like this Saturday against Norwich and also Villa, Fulham, Sunderland, Newcastle, where we will have a lot of the ball, however games where we are are looking to counter teams and break quick i dont think suits Brunt.

Most people have varied and sensible opinions on Brunt and other players but the worry always is that some go to the extreme and make him a scapegoat, ie - Carson and Luke Moore and blame them for everything! A fella on sunday by me was blaming the corner for Morrison where he hit the bar of saying if Brunt put it in lower then Morrison would of caught it better and we would scored, quite an interesting observation!
Just as easily I could argue Morrison should have jumped higher.... Each to their own I guess.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommi on December 20, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Question I wondered is why Brunt was preferred over Shorey for set pieces.

I am so frustrated with seeing every corner aimed at Jonas to knock back, I can't argue that Brunt is capable of producing moments of brilliance with his left peg. However I have already seen Shorey be more successful and efficient with his distribution in half a season compared to Brunts last 3 full seasons.




Brunt still one of our best players, along with Pete and Gera the only player truly comfortable in possession while under pressure at this level.

Add to that the fact we only look like scoring from set pieces (taken by Brunt to a much higher standard than any of our other players).

That is why 4 consecutive managers have given him a key role in the side and three have used him as captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2012, 12:28:33 PM
His main attribute is his delivery, yet he comes in field a lot???

I have to disagree with previous posts, he is not a key player anymore - look at our run at the start of the season - and he didn't figure - coincidence? i think not!

Yacob/ Mulumbu with Morrison is the linking role, with Pete, Long and Gera, this is our best side. All these players are 'comfortable' on the ball - its the premier league!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 20, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
If Brunt dont pull his finger out his days are numbered.He is just not up to scratch.Assits every now and then aint cutting it for me.We perform better without him this season
He is only in the team because of our current injuries
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: westbrom87 on December 23, 2012, 10:43:43 PM
Saw something asking about whether Brunt's legs have gone, although he never really had any pace.

It just reminded me of a stat that baffles me.

Pretty much every time you read the match report in the sun, it shows that Brunt has covered the most distance out of any Albion player on the pitch.  I jus cant work out how that can be true.  I've always seen Brunt as a stand and deliver type of players.  He typically looks for the killer pass....then stands still. 

He just never seems to cover that much ground or do that much running, so how the hell does he cover more ground than anyone else most weeks?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 23, 2012, 11:13:48 PM
All the best work is that which you don't see.

Brunt is a ninja!  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 24, 2012, 08:30:13 AM
Despite being a big dorrans fan in what is a bit if a brunt v dorrans debate, and me weekly not being impressed with brunt, I thought he was good against Norwich, and played some good balls forward
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: letmereadposts on December 26, 2012, 06:54:07 PM
Credit where credit is due to Chris Brunt today.

He's a class act and although he gives the impression on the field that will always lead to criticism- rightly or wrongly -  from some fans, his left foot makes him a class act. There is a reason most opposing fans value him alongside Long and Olsson as one our key players, today we saw that reason.

Ole Ole Ole...Ole Ole.. Chrissy Brunt Brunt Brunt!!

COYB
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 26, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
I also thought Brunt had a decent game today scored a great goal too. He hasn't been at his best over the last few weeks but today he was really good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on December 26, 2012, 07:02:41 PM
I thought he was good today.  Showed good discipline when Mulumbu burst forward to cover in midfield and sprayed passes around well all game.
 
Fantastic strike for the goal.  As crisp a strike as you'll see and right in the corner.
 
The more he plays in central midfield the more he'll get used to it.  I think he could well be a real asset playing centrally.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on December 26, 2012, 07:08:00 PM
I always thought he could be a real asset in the centre, but behind the striker, which never really worked. That holding position seems to suit him though. He had a very good game today, his strike for the goal was excellent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2012, 09:08:48 PM
I thought he was okay today to be fair. I still don't think he is suited to a central midfield role and I hope we get Yacob back and look at someone to come in maybe on loan who is more natural.

Excellent goal perfectly placed but that is something we know he is capable of.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 27, 2012, 04:06:06 PM
  Had a decent game yesterday but he doesn't work hard enough to play in the centre of midfield.When Yacob's fit he will either be playing out wide or warming the bench.
  Remember the old saying one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 27, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
  Had a decent game yesterday but he doesn't work hard enough to play in the centre of midfield.When Yacob's fit he will either be playing out wide or warming the bench.
Remember the old saying one swallow doesn't make a summer.
Also remember he's NOT a CDM like Yacob (hell Mulumbu is classed as a CDM) he's a wide midfielder playing in the centre. He's an offensive player and plays as such.
He's better in that position than Morrison as he is a bit more defensive than James (due to his slight lack of pace), but the problem remains that Mulumbu becomes significantly more defensive too. However it seems to be working so far and gives us an option for January as Yacob IS the main CDM and allows Brunt free reign to go forward.

P.S. Brunt not working hard enough is rubbish. he covers ALOT of ground in a game and has a good pass amount and pass completion rate, always has done. It just goes unnoticed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2012, 04:45:53 PM
Also remember he's NOT a CDM like Yacob (hell Mulumbu is classed as a CDM) he's a wide midfielder playing in the centre. He's an offensive player and plays as such.
He's better in that position than Morrison as he is a bit more defensive than James (due to his slight lack of pace), but the problem remains that Mulumbu becomes significantly more defensive too. However it seems to be working so far and gives us an option for January as Yacob IS the main CDM and allows Brunt free reign to go forward.

P.S. Brunt not working hard enough is rubbish. he covers ALOT of ground in a game and has a good pass amount and pass completion rate, always has done. It just goes unnoticed.

Morrison has played there against Wigan and Sunderland recently and was outstanding in both games. Brunt did okay yesterday nothing more, in that role he needs to put a foot in more when its needed and not allow people to stroll past him. Pass completion rate is all well and good but stats like that take no account for where the pass goes, how close the players he's passing to etc etc, stats can be manipulated to look how you want them to.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 27, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
I didn't see the game against QPR but a mate of mine that went and is a massive critic of Brunt text me to say it was the best he'd seen him play for a good long while which is good to hear.

Some do call him lazy but I think that is just the way he looks with his genuine demeanor on the pitch, judging by the stats though it portrays a different story. I still have doubts over his captaincy and whether he actually fits into our current style of play but I would be delighted if he could put a run of games together where he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on December 27, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
Not been impressed with Brunt seen he came back into the team BUT yesterday he was back to somewhere near his best topped off with a superb strike - excellent hard-working and focussed performance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 27, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
Morrison has played there against Wigan and Sunderland recently and was outstanding in both games. Brunt did okay yesterday nothing more, in that role he needs to put a foot in more when its needed and not allow people to stroll past him. Pass completion rate is all well and good but stats like that take no account for where the pass goes, how close the players he's passing to etc etc, stats can be manipulated to look how you want them to.
I know you don't like Brunt in the middle, but it freed Morrison to play much further forward and be attacking. When we were losing with Morrison in the engine room I feel that it split the team to the Striker and then everyone else. Morrison appears to thrive on the shorter pass and move game that you get around the goal mouth but not the long precision of the balls you get with Brunt and Yacob, and with the way we play by trying to release the striker or get it quickly to a wing for a cross it didn't really work. At QPR the team was connected as well (OK we didn't exactly reach the form of the early season) as Morrison was able to move and play.

Yacob was also Morrison's partner in the two games you mentioned, allowing him (just like Mulumbu) to play significantly more offensive in the game. He did well at Newcastle as well (again with Yacob) but he's struggle when partnered with Mulumbu as neither are exactly Masters of the defensive play (however Mulumbu's very good)  when compared to Yacob. Brunt is a compromise sure but he allows Morrison to be the player he has been and we have become at least more attacking in the last two games because of it. the last two games have shown by finally connecting the whole team together and turning the screw over the course of the game, rather than the ball getting stuck in the midfield because nobody is making a forward run. While you are correct That Morrison did well next to Yacob, and that Brunt is untested with him, it also breaks the team's flow when played with Mulumbu, whereas Brunt has done well twice (better today but did the job at Norwich) and surely will do better when allowed the freedom under Yacob that Morrison did so well with, especially that Morrison is just as able as Brunt in that formation.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
Its a good point that Yacob was alongside Morrison to be fair. No I don't like Brunt in the middle and I thought he was okay at best especially considering the opposition who I thought were the worst side we have faced this season. When they made changes Diakite and Mbia seemed to control the midfield. I don't think Mulumbu gets enough credit at times for his defensive side which is excellent, yes he goes forward but he also gets back very quickly which is something that again goes unnoticed.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Brunt hater and do realise he does possess quality but for me not in the middle.

Football is all about opinions and people see different things in different games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bobcracker on December 27, 2012, 06:45:03 PM
I think Brunt had a clearer idea of what he was doing yesterday and meant he looked a lot more more comfortable, he often looks confused with his positioning when he's played wide this season.

Don't think its a long term solution to play him the middle as I think against better sides he could get bullied and pressed into mistakes, but did well yesterday and deserves a run in the side with Yacob out injured.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on December 27, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
I think the last few games have shown Brunt's best position is deep-lying midfielder. He can deliver a very good through pass, and whilst Morrison and Gera can do the same, they are more effective further forward behind the striker. I have not been as impressed with Brunt out wide in spite of his decent cross. He lacks pace to get past full backs, and ends up coming inside and clogging up the shape of the team. But playing deep, we haven't missed Yacob or Mulumbu so much. In fact, its arguable whether he shouldn't occupy one of those slots permanently.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 28, 2012, 01:19:18 AM
He has played the CM role brilliantly in the last two games. Such a shame people are obsessed with pace and hard tackling that it goes over their heads what a fantastic ball player he is.

He is played in CM and told to play his own game which over the last two games has been dictating play. I doubt Clarke has turned round to him before both games and said I expect you to play like Mulumbu/Yacob by covering insane amounts of ground and putting your foot in at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on December 28, 2012, 04:51:55 PM
But Brunt hasn't dictated play, far from it.  He's let players run directly past him far too often, they've skipped past him with ease.  That's not asking him to cover miles of ground, but just to actually a be a midfielder and not let the player just trot past and attack the back 4.  He holds up play when we want to move the ball quickly.  Aside from his goal he's not really created much in open play.

Don't get me wrong he's been better these last couple of games, but that's not saying a lot.  He's been far from brilliant though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on December 28, 2012, 05:00:26 PM
But Brunt hasn't dictated play, far from it.  He's let players run directly past him far too often, they've skipped past him with ease.  That's not asking him to cover miles of ground, but just to actually a be a midfielder and not let the player just trot past and attack the back 4.  He holds up play when we want to move the ball quickly.  Aside from his goal he's not really created much in open play.

Don't get me wrong he's been better these last couple of games, but that's not saying a lot.  He's been far from brilliant though.

Agreed.

Look, against QPR he had a decent game and scored a cracking goal, but if anyone thinks his performance was on a par with Mulumbu they are sadly mistaken. In our system we need midfielders who can break with pace - something which Brunt is missing from his arsenal. Also, his defensive abilities are lacking when it comes to tackling and positioning.

Yes he can whip a decent corner in, however i'd ask whether that is enough to demand a starting place in our team. I'd have to question that very much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2012, 09:26:25 PM
On Boxing Day he scored, set-up the second and set-up Lukaku's 2nd one on one. Nobody just "runs" past him with ease, he needs to work on the defensive side of his game but it is as good as Morrison's, Gera's, Dorrans' and importantly Thorne's. His set-pieces, especially corners are the best in the club by a considerable distance.

The anti-Brunt sentiment is certainly gathering pace, he has been one of our best three or four players last two games and outside Odemwingie our most effective attacking player for the last 5 seasons (goals/assists).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
I don't see any 'anti- (insert player name) sentiment' at all on this forum at the moment unlike previous years when certain players have been singled out. I do see people discussing and posting how they see a certain player/ players performances etc just as you yourself have done in the past and as such people are perfectly allowed to do the same without the fear of being 'shouted down' and 'belittled' as in the past those shouters and belittlers will also be 'bye byers'
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2012, 09:47:37 PM
I don't see any 'anti- (insert player name) sentiment' at all on this forum at the moment unlike previous years when certain players have been singled out. I do see people discussing and posting how they see a certain player/ players performances etc just as you yourself have done in the past and as such people are perfectly allowed to do the same without the fear of being 'shouted down' and 'belittled' as in the past those shouters and belittlers will also be 'bye byers'

Don't think anyone is doing any shouting down mate, I'm offering the opposite opinion of what the last couple of posters said. And I'm sorry but it might not be as overt as with Moore and Carson or indeed as nasty, but this season there has definitely been constant hints of dislike towards both Brunt and Peter Odemwingie in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Don't think anyone is doing any shouting down mate, I'm offering the opposite opinion of what the last couple of posters said. And I'm sorry but it might not be as overt as with Moore and Carson or indeed as nasty, but this season there has definitely been constant hints of dislike towards both Brunt and Peter Odemwingie in my opinion.

I haven't accused anyone of shouting down have I ? if I have then it didn't mean to come across like that.

I also haven't seen any hints of dislike towards players and I have the 'pleasure' of reading almost every post on here. I've seen criticism of them which at times has been justified and at times maybe not so but as I said to someone on here the other day football is all about opinions, people see things differently, even the so called 'experts' see things differently to us mere mortals on here, thats football.

I'm not a Brunt fan in the middle, doubtful I ever will be, sorry if that doesn't tally with what folk want to read but for me that's how I see it. I don't expect everyone to agree, that's life. Maybe people expect more from those two because they do possess quality and at times we don't see it as we want. Even you yourself would be guilty of that at times surely ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
I haven't accused anyone of shouting down have I ? if I have then it didn't mean to come across like that.

I also haven't seen any hints of dislike towards players and I have the 'pleasure' of reading almost every post on here. I've seen criticism of them which at times has been justified and at times maybe not so but as I said to someone on here the other day football is all about opinions, people see things differently, even the so called 'experts' see things differently to us mere mortals on here, thats football.

I'm not a Brunt fan in the middle, doubtful I ever will be, sorry if that doesn't tally with what folk want to read but for me that's how I see it. I don't expect everyone to agree, that's life. Maybe people expect more from those two because they do possess quality and at times we don't see it as we want. Even you yourself would be guilty of that at times surely ?

Who says you can't evoke sarcasm in the written word?!!  :D

I don't know it just grates a bit when two of our better players aren't given the patience and respect afforded to a few possibly inferior members of the squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 28, 2012, 11:33:39 PM
But Brunt hasn't dictated play, far from it.  He's let players run directly past him far too often, they've skipped past him with ease.  That's not asking him to cover miles of ground, but just to actually a be a midfielder and not let the player just trot past and attack the back 4.  He holds up play when we want to move the ball quickly.  Aside from his goal he's not really created much in open play.

Don't get me wrong he's been better these last couple of games, but that's not saying a lot.  He's been far from brilliant though.

Watch our last 180 mins of football and tell me Brunt didn't dictate the play in both those games. I saw both with my own eyes and then watched them back after on tele and was quite amazed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on December 29, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Who says you can't evoke sarcasm in the written word?!!  :D

I don't know it just grates a bit when two of our better players aren't given the patience and respect afforded to a few possibly inferior members of the squad.

Jacko, all discussion of player abilities is subjective. No one is right or wrong.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on January 01, 2013, 02:46:05 PM
Time to move him on. He's not prem quality offers nothing to the team no pace no skill just does the odd pass or the odd goal.  Spends most of the game waving his arms moaning at others as the game passes him by. We play a lot better with him not in the team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 01, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
Squad player, i just hope when mulumbu go's SC doesn't see brunt as the centre mid as it's not looking good with yacob as of late. Has brunt been wth us since the mowbray days? he will always be a wide player, just doesnt see himself as one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 01, 2013, 02:56:41 PM
He was truly terrible today. An absolute waste of space.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on January 01, 2013, 02:57:26 PM
I know he has his followers but hes dreadful of late .We have performed better and won more without him this season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on January 01, 2013, 03:04:59 PM
I know he has his followers but hes dreadful of late .We have performed better and won more without him this season

He has played well in the previous two games; against QPR he scored a screamer and got an assist.

Brunt was very poor today, but so were a few of them. Morrison has been woeful for a while and yet seems immune to criticism.

The cheers when he went off today were pathetic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2013, 03:14:55 PM
He has played well in the previous two games; against QPR he scored a screamer and got an assist.

Brunt was very poor today, but so were a few of them. Morrison has been woeful for a while and yet seems immune to criticism.

The cheers when he went off today were pathetic.

I agree with the Mozza comment. I've been very disappointed with him for some time. Brunt is struggling, but he wasn't any worse than Mozza or Gera today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2013, 03:15:02 PM
He didn't play well against QPR though, slightly better than the previous game but still poor.  He did score a great goal but his overall play was just as poor.  His role in the side is to be a holding midfielder but he never gets a foot in.  When he has the ball and plays it he just stands there like his job is done, rarely looks for a return ball.  Throw in constantly misplacing simple passes, or flicking lazy balls forward to no-one and you have a player who shouldn't be captain and shouldn't be first choice. 

Don't get me wrong, at one stage he was clearly one of our best players but that was a while ago, we've simply outgrown him.

Aside from the odd decent set piece I fail to see what he offers us. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
I agree with the Mozza comment. I've been very disappointed with him for some time. Brunt is struggling, but he wasn't any worse than Mozza or Gera today.
First half Mulumbu was near useless as well, at least Brunt got in with his tackles and came out with the ball in the first 45 mins. There were so many lethargic performances.

The worst ones I find are those that criticise Brunt for something, when it was actually Morrison.... That's one people that I know like to spout.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2013, 03:25:12 PM
Time to move him on. He's not prem quality offers nothing to the team no pace no skill just does the odd pass or the odd goal.  Spends most of the game waving his arms moaning at others as the game passes him by. We play a lot better with him not in the team
According to Lepkowski, Brunt has either scored or directly assisted 4 of our last five (six now) goals(the assists are from set peices) with 2 assists in open play already to his name.... Isn't that the important bit?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
First half Mulumbu was near useless as well, at least Brunt got in with his tackles and came out with the ball in the first 45 mins. There were so many lethargic performances.

The worst ones I find are those that criticise Brunt for something, when it was actually Morrison.... That's one people that I know like to spout.

Honestly, you couldn't be more wrong.  Mulumbu was doing the job of three midfielders pretty much all game.  I didn't see Brunt make a single tackle. 

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2013, 03:29:44 PM
Honestly, you couldn't be more wrong.  Mulumbu was doing the job of three midfielders pretty much all game.  I didn't see Brunt make a single tackle.
Somebody needs to watch the tape back again then..... and it ain't me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
According to Lepkowski, Brunt has either scored or directly assisted 4 of our last five (six now) goals(the assists are from set peices) with 2 assists in open play already to his name.... Isn't that the important bit?

Lepkowski is wrong, you can't count us scoring from a set piece at some point as an assist from Brunt. Only one of those in recent games is an actual assist ( Lukaku against Swansea in a 3-1 loss ). 

From even Lepkowski's generous reading of stats it just goes to show that his only value to the team at the moment are his set pieces.  That should not be enough to keep a player in the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on January 01, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
I think Brunt was poor today along with about 80% of the team, what i would say for him is he doesnt hide, he always try to stay involved, not sure recently all our players can say that.

He gave the ball away a lot today but the last few managers have picked him reguarly when fit so he must be doing something right, dont think Brunt was the problem today, i think the fact we make 5-6 changes what seems every game now is getting a bit stupid and the whole team suffer, not fair to single out Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2013, 03:51:30 PM
Somebody needs to watch the tape back again then..... and it ain't me.

I think you do mate, he missed at least 3 tackles in the first 15 minutes.

Today he was no worse than Morrison or Gera but is not a centre midfielder, never will be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2013, 03:55:26 PM
At Old Trafford even his delivery at free kicks from a couple of normally very dangerous positions was very poor - he drove it twice low at the wall.

He's a confidence player and seems low on it at presence.

I think his work rate overall has improved this season, and so has his poor body language (slightly anyway).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on January 01, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
Brunt must be good with the local press because Lepkowski won't have a bad word said against him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Gaffer on January 01, 2013, 03:56:54 PM
Brunt can't play CM and he doesn't have the pace to be any good out wide. I think his level is below where we are now at to be honest. I'd be looking to sell if i were in charge.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 04:27:12 PM
Not a CM , has done well but 3 games in such a short space is was too much given his injuries this season and that's Clarke's fault IMO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
I thought it was his worst Albion performance to date. It was incredibly poor and even more frustrating to think that he lasted some 84 minutes on the pitch. There were other players which were poor in Morrison and Gera but the consistency of poorness from Brunty is something which is worrying for someone with so much talent. I'll defend the lad because I know he has the potential to be a good player in this division, but his performance today was inexcusable. He gifted possession away regularly and allowed midfield runners to drift past him without making any attempt at a challenge. When he did make a challenge it usually resulted in a free kick or Brunt being by-passed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 01, 2013, 05:14:39 PM
So hes a confidence footballer, why does this make him captain material then
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B714LF on January 01, 2013, 05:16:45 PM
I thought it was his worst Albion performance to date. It was incredibly poor and even more frustrating to think that he lasted some 84 minutes on the pitch. There were other players which were poor in Morrison and Gera but the consistency of poorness from Brunty is something which is worrying for someone with so much talent. I'll defend the lad because I know he has the potential to be a good player in this division, but his performance today was inexcusable. He gifted possession away regularly and allowed midfield runners to drift past him without making any attempt at a challenge. When he did make a challenge it usually resulted in a free kick or Brunt being by-passed.

This is exactly what I see. I don't know how he stayed on the pitch so long today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 05:19:00 PM
So hes a confidence footballer, why does this make him captain material then
Did he ask to be captain ? , RDM, Roy and now Clarke have him as captain so he must have something about him. Had a stinker today no doubt but he is out of position and played a lot in a short space of time after months of injury so i reckon he can be excused that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2013, 05:21:06 PM
Dreadful today.

Couldn't pass, control or tackle. His set pieces were average.

Should have been hauled off earlier, not least because the crowd was on his back. At least Thorne would have got the backing of the crowd as a 'youngster'.

I seriously worry if Clarke is going to persist with Brunt in the holding midfield role whilst Mulumbu and Yacob are absent. Long month ahead.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on January 01, 2013, 05:25:14 PM
#wba Billy Jones on Brunt "You don't expect the home fans to be booing the skipper who's been a great servant to the club and still is"

#wba Steve Clarke on Chris Brunt criticism "I didn't hear it but our crowd don't deserve to turn on any of our players"

I'm embarrassed by some of our fans
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 01, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Problem is that his captain and one of the longest serving players so his in the team sometimes i feel through that rather than ability,and he doesn't stick to his discipline when his out wide.....i feel we have moved on from players like him and morrison who are not consistent and get you 2-3 good games out of 10. More worryingly now though is yacob doesnt seem near a return and his fitness will be low,mulumbu is off for a month, so who does that leave for CM......we all know brunt will be one of them. Fans have a right too boo whether we like it or not, he was woefull as an entertainer and got booed even though it's not my nature to do such things.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 05:27:56 PM
 What i would like to see is Brunt as a wide player on one side,one of our forwards in the middle and a fast winger on the other flank. That way you have Brunts eye for a pass/cross with something completely different on the other side.For example---
                                                                 Long or Odemwingie
                                      Brunt                                                            New fast winger.
We would certainly be less predictable with hopeful static crosses into the box, the blokes quality but we must use him right and not forget how many injuries he has had over the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 01, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
According to Lepkowski, Brunt has either scored or directly assisted 4 of our last five (six now) goals(the assists are from set peices) with 2 assists in open play already to his name.... Isn't that the important bit?

Exactly. While he may not be the complete Premier midfielder everybody expects him to be, he is still capable of contributing in terms of goals. People might remember goals... they win football matches, even if you're not playing especially well.

Brunt was no worse today than Morrison or Gera, but if the boo-boys were to get their way and he were to leave, we would be poorer for it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
Thought Brunt was poor today, chasing shadows at times and quite sloppy in possession. Still one of our most talented players though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 05:35:40 PM
Thought Brunt was poor today, chasing shadows at times and quite sloppy in possession. Still one of our most talented players though.

Four years ago maybe, not anymore!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on January 01, 2013, 05:38:04 PM
#wba Billy Jones on Brunt "You don't expect the home fans to be booing the skipper who's been a great servant to the club and still is"

#wba Steve Clarke on Chris Brunt criticism "I didn't hear it but our crowd don't deserve to turn on any of our players"

I'm embarrassed by some of our fans
brunt has at most a good game in every 6 has been the most frustrating player this season was miles of the pace today, fans will only take so much clarke should have played thorne instead and if he dosnt buck up his ideas and excuses the the fans will turn on him [we are a fickle bunch ] clake claims players were tired that dosnt wash the sqaud has been rotated more than a washing machine on high spin in the last few months and in my opinion thats the problem havent had a settled team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 05:44:28 PM
Four years ago maybe, not anymore!

Here and now mate. As much ability as anyone in the squad and his importance as captain and a senior player is obvious to all of our last 3 managers.

All this outcry for Thorne by the way is ludicrous. If it wasn't for the ACN he'd still be on loan (his rightful place for now).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on January 01, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Too me Brunt wasnt any worse  than any of the others today and certainly didnt deserve to be booed, problem is i think you only have to see from this thread alone that he is now going down the path of scapegoat, we always have to have one. Not saying that anybody on this forum would of booed him, i think there has been some very good pro and good comments about Brunt, but anybody who did boo him at the game i hope you do one and dont go again, and thats the polite way of putting it.

What about we say that for the last two months - Ridgewell, Dorrans, Morrison, Gera, Long, Brunt, Fortune and Odemwingie have played nowhere near what we know they can, i am sure its not for a lack of effort just poor form, whose fault is that, theirs and the managers for constantly messing with the team, after a shocking first half performance fair enough boo the team off like they were and let them know its not good enough, but to single players out is just out of order, Brunt this season appears to be the target, once he goes we shall have another, we take the p**s out of Villa and Wolves fans being fickle, we all are to a certain extent, but we have a small section (and i mean small section) who are just as bad as anything that our rivals can offer.

Not a good sign that the players (Jones) have picked up on it, i wouldnt be too amused if one of my mates got booed either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on January 01, 2013, 05:50:42 PM
Brunt was poor...but then so was 90% of the team so why was he singled out???

Very lethargic performance by everybody today
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 01, 2013, 05:52:21 PM
Think Brunt was tired today and I'm not sure why he stayed on for 80 odd minutes. This was 4 out of 4 of the festive games he's played and is the only player outside Foster and the back four to play all four.
He's really not that indispensible to us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 06:09:08 PM
Here and now mate. As much ability as anyone in the squad and his importance as captain and a senior player is obvious to all of our last 3 managers.

All this outcry for Thorne by the way is ludicrous. If it wasn't for the ACN he'd still be on loan (his rightful place for now).

I wouldn't deny that on his day Brunt has ability, however his form this season is poor to say the least.

Had Dorrans put in a similar display you would have slated him, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
I wouldn't deny that on his day Brunt has ability, however his form this season is poor to say the least.

Had Dorrans put in a similar display you would have slated him, and rightly so.

My very first post on this thread today stated Brunt played poorly. GD appears to have been dropped right out of the matchday squad and has no relevance to Brunt's performance today anyway...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 01, 2013, 06:13:22 PM
Absolutely awful today but the booing of him and cheering him going off wasn't right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2013, 06:19:24 PM
My very first post on this thread today stated Brunt played poorly. GD appears to have been dropped right out of the matchday squad and has no relevance to Brunt's performance today anyway...

How many times have you named Long or Dorrans in similar comments to try and justify your point in a post by comparing them to others when they would have had no relevance on that day ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
My very first post on this thread today stated Brunt played poorly. GD appears to have been dropped right out of the matchday squad and has no relevance to Brunt's performance today anyway...

Ok let's stick to brunt.

How on earth can he be considered as a holding midfield player.

Play him wide left and he has the ability to cause the opposition problems.

As a holding midfielder he is poor in the tackle, is more intent on clipping the players ankles than winning the ball, and does not have the pace to stay with the man running off the ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on January 01, 2013, 06:26:29 PM
Firstly i am not a brunt fan, but to be honest who did have a good game today?
I thought that Lukaku and Jones were OK and and the rest below par.

My main issue with Brunt is that he is captain, and is meant to lead the team. He had a go at Ridgewell (i think )  (just before 2nd goal) when it was clearly brunt's poor control. He then walks around arms swinging etc, he just doen't give off the correct aura as a captain.

Lets forget today, and remember the great season the TEAM are having.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 01, 2013, 06:29:15 PM
A blind disabled pensioner would have put in a better shift than Brunt today. Anyone unfortunate enough to have recorded the game should watch the replay of the first goal. He ran backwards alongside  the centre-backs (from 40 yards out) and ended up in front of Foster. It was ridiculous. He provided no cover whatsoever, his work rate was atrocious and his passing very poor. He's been terrible for a while and it was a scandal that he lasted 84 minutes. Morrison was also rubbish today but at least he's actually played his part this season.

I'd love to know the stats of average points per game in matches with and without Brunt in the starting eleven. Anybody care to look it up?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
How many times have you named Long or Dorrans in similar comments to try and justify your point in a post by comparing them to others when they would have had no relevance on that day ?

Yes comparing them to others not comparing my reaction to them? Like I said Brunt was poor today... so were six or seven others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 01, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
Obviously Billy heard something I didn't.

As far as I was concerned, no one actually booed Brunt. They ironically cheered when his number came up on 83 mins, but I took it that the cheers was aimed at Clarke for finally subbing him. There was also a large number that applauded him as he went off. I notice that wasn't mentioned?

I don't think it's right for fans to 'turn' on a player, but I also disagree with Jones coming out saying that. Fans pay hard earned money to watch their favourite team.

The only booing I heard, was when the half time whistle went and I feel that was a kick up the backside the players, as a whole, needed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on January 01, 2013, 07:18:55 PM
Brunt just isnt good enough anymore, he's been a good servant for us, but its definitely time he moved on.

If we want to push on we cant afford to continually start players who

a)aren't suited to our system and
b) aren't good enough

Brunt could be filed under both of those
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 01, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q786/jon7w/tweet_zpsf30e4597.jpg)

Just saw this.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Quakes Fan on January 01, 2013, 07:32:44 PM
I'd love to know the stats of average points per game in matches with and without Brunt in the starting eleven. Anybody care to look it up?

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=9568.msg200451#msg200451

That was as of six weeks ago.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 01, 2013, 07:34:31 PM
A blind disabled pensioner would have put in a better shift than Brunt today.
::)

Whether people like it or not Brunt is one of our most influential players and when he doesn't perform the team generally fail to perform. He clearly commands more respect from his fellow professionals than he does some of his "supporters"
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on January 01, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
The sarcastic cheering and then the booing of Brunt today was appalling I felt he had a very poor game both today and at Old Trafford but no way does a player who has been with us half a decade and is our club captain deserve such disrespect.

I do think some of our fans need a sense of realism criticising is fine but doing that at a game just helps the opposition further.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on January 01, 2013, 07:43:12 PM
He was shocking today but no player should be booed. Like others have said he has gave us some fantastic memories and I actually felt sorry for him today. Clarke  could of prevented it by bringing him off sooner or starting Thorne. Thorne played well against United yet he decides to play Brunt out of position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 01, 2013, 07:47:48 PM
Brunt passed poorly, was off the pace and just seemed uninspired to perform today. He played the holiday period so you can understand him being worn out. The problem isn't so much with Brunt but the whole midfield in general. Mulumbu is the only consistant mf on a regular basis. We need another holding mf and someone who can get back and make tackles instead of ball watching when the opposition attacks like half the team do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
As i posted earlier Brunt was clearly knackered as he would be after so many games in a short space of time , i don't blame him i blame Clarke for starting him and for keeping him on so long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wbamitch on January 01, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
Worst for him yet, i am not a great fan but i didn't think he could sink that low. Should have been off earlier.

Thorne in for QPR.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on January 01, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
Next match I’d like to see:

Brunt in his best position on the left.
Dorrans to his best position directly replacing Morrison.
Odemwingie into his best position on the right.
Thorne in if Yacob isn’t fit.

How about it Clarkey?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tequila Rich on January 01, 2013, 08:09:48 PM
i thought he looked tired. completely knackered if im honest. before kick off i thought he looked hungover.   and if he wasnt captain and we werent so short i reckon he would have been rested.

previous games he's played well so you cant criticise him too much.  he wasnt the only one who had a bad game today!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 01, 2013, 08:20:09 PM
His just not a CM, simple as that...he whipped in a cross for morrison against wigan, yet the man is rarely on the wing when thats his position... His discipline is none existant as in positional sense and captaincy....we have moved on from him and morrison as they give u 3/4good games out of 10...squad player now brunt as we did well start of the season without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on January 01, 2013, 08:21:12 PM
As anybody thought he might have been suffering with this virus that's been going around the club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on January 01, 2013, 08:25:51 PM
As anybody thought he might have been suffering with this virus that's been going around the club

If that was the case to be honest you have to look at Clarke for playing him.

However I know what your saying but that doesnt stop some when it comes to witch-hunts.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 08:30:25 PM
When you look at it Brunt isnt a CM and has been doing a decent job until today covering the injuries and illness.....i really don't think he can be witch hunted for that given how little he has played over the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
If that was the case to be honest you have to look at Clarke for playing him.

However I know what your saying but that doesnt stop some when it comes to witch-hunts.

I don't understand why it is considered a witch hunt when fans express an opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 01, 2013, 08:31:40 PM
As i posted earlier Brunt was clearly knackered as he would be after so many games in a short space of time , i don't blame him i blame Clarke for starting him and for keeping him on so long.

If that performance was as a result of having to play a few games in quick succession then theres something seriously wrong somewhere.

He seems to play like someone who's in a trance and today he was worse than ever.

The only thing he's ever had in his locker is the ability to deliver a set piece but he rarely does that nowadays.

He wasnt the only one to play poorly today but to be fair to some of the others it was a one off for them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 08:35:46 PM
If that performance was as a result of having to play a few games in quick succession then theres something seriously wrong somewhere.

He seems to play like someone who's in a trance and today he was worse than ever.

The only thing he's ever had in his locker is the ability to deliver a set piece but he rarely does that nowadays.

He wasnt the only one to play poorly today but to be fair to some of the others it was a one off for them.
You have to factor in the amount of football he has missed over the last two seasons , four games in a demanding position(not his) is very tiring with little fitness behind you.Im not defending him today but to me fitness is a factor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 09:02:20 PM
I really think some fans have lost the plot, ironically cheering a player who has contributed to two promotions, played a big part in keeping us up for the last two seasons, scored a 30 yarder two games ago and has been directly involved in four of our last give goals is abhorant and pathetic in the extreme.

Chris Brunt didn't have a good game today, but neither did Gera. Chris Brunt hasn't been in the best of form of late, but neither has Gera.....why was Brunt singled out for the vile and humiliating cat calling?

He's a valuable member of a ver successful squad that is doing this club proud, his previous three managers have made him captain of the side and of the club, he has scored some great goals and has never once had an ounce of bother with the fans, allways making time for them and doing the community side of things willingly and with interest - just why does he deserve to be singled out and mocked like he was today?

Lower than a snakes belly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 09:09:15 PM
I really think some fans have lost the plot, ironically cheering a player who has contributed to two promotions, played a big part in keeping us up for the last two seasons, scored a 30 yarder two games ago and has been directly involved in four of our last give goals is abhorant and pathetic in the extreme.

Chris Brunt didn't have a good game today, but neither did Gera. Chris Brunt hasn't been in the best of form of late, but neither has Gera.....why was Brunt singled out for the vile and humiliating cat calling?

He's a valuable member of a ver successful squad that is doing this club proud, his previous three managers have made him captain of the side and of the club, he has scored some great goals and has never once had an ounce of bother with the fans, allways making time for them and doing the community side of things willingly and with interest - just why does he deserve to be singled out and mocked like he was today?

Lower than a snakes belly.

I don't condone any player being booed by his own set of fans, and I would hazard a guess most fans would agree.

However I do not think Brunt or any other player for that matter is above criticism on a football forum.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
I don't condone any player being booed by his own set of fans, and I would hazard a guess most fans would agree.

However I do not think Brunt or any other player for that matter is above criticism on a football forum.

If you could point me towards where i have said nobody should be criticised then i would be grateful.

The problem is that some numbskulls cannot define the difference between balanced critique, a witch hunt and plain abuse.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
If you could point me towards where i have said nobody should be criticised then i would be grateful.

The problem is that some numbskulls cannot define the difference between balanced critique, a witch hunt and plain abuse.

If you could point me towards where i have said you said nobody should be criticised then i too would be grateful
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 01, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
I know we all have our own opinion and that's fine, but there's one thing some seem to be forgetting: RDM was sacked even though our style of football had improved under him and he got us a promotion. Just being part of something good doesn't mean you are free from criticism when you have off days. Fans and footballers need to remember that.

Everyone who was sat around me sighed and groaned at EVERY missed pass, not just Brunt. However, Brunt made mistake after mistake throughout the game.

I think on another day, if the ball bounced for us, fans may not have been as vocal about Brunt, but because so many passes went astray, it happened.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 09:19:13 PM
Criticism is fine, cat calling and humiliation is not - that what the ironic cheers were.

I think Brunt has served us well enough to deserve a little more respect than that, im sure he didn't go out to play badly and im pretty certain he didn't injure Yacob in some sort of ploy to play in the position he's being asked to at the moment (three times in a week).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 01, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
Criticism is fine, cat calling and humiliation is not - that what the ironic cheers were.

I think Brunt has served us well enough to deserve a little more respect than that, im sure he didn't go out to play badly and im pretty certain he didn't injure Yacob in some sort of ploy to play in the position he's being asked to at the moment (three times in a week).

I don't disagree, however do you think that Brunt's recent performances warrant a starting place.

If Yacob is injured, on current form I would prefer to see Morrison or Gera slot in alongside Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
I don't disagree, however do you think that Brunt's recent performances warrant a starting place.

If Yacob is injured, on current form I would prefer to see Morrison or Gera slot in alongside Mulumbu.

I think he had a decent game against Norwich, more than decent at QPR topped off with a goal, didn't see the United match and a mare today along with Gera, Mozza, Mulumbu and Fortune - it was just a very very bad day at the office. As i said previously, he's been directly involved in four of our last five goals scored.

Gera hasn't got the legs to play that role and i don't think Morrisson has ever looked that good further back down the pitch. We are missing Yacob who is easilly first choice and the best player at the club for that role, Brunt is simply filling in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 01, 2013, 09:38:47 PM
He wasn't at his best today, but over the last few games he has been pretty good overall.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2013, 09:49:47 PM
A blind disabled pensioner would have put in a better shift than Brunt today. Anyone unfortunate enough to have recorded the game should watch the replay of the first goal. He ran backwards alongside  the centre-backs (from 40 yards out) and ended up in front of Foster. It was ridiculous. He provided no cover whatsoever, his work rate was atrocious and his passing very poor. He's been terrible for a while and it was a scandal that he lasted 84 minutes. Morrison was also rubbish today but at least he's actually played his part this season.

I'd love to know the stats of average points per game in matches with and without Brunt in the starting eleven. Anybody care to look it up?
Is this blind pensioner close to the end of his contract?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 09:53:32 PM
A blind disabled pensioner would have put in a better shift than Brunt today. Anyone unfortunate enough to have recorded the game should watch the replay of the first goal. He ran backwards alongside  the centre-backs (from 40 yards out) and ended up in front of Foster. It was ridiculous. He provided no cover whatsoever, his work rate was atrocious and his passing very poor. He's been terrible for a while and it was a scandal that he lasted 84 minutes. Morrison was also rubbish today but at least he's actually played his part this season.

I'd love to know the stats of average points per game in matches with and without Brunt in the starting eleven. Anybody care to look it up?

Blaming Brunt for the first goal is pretty special, there was me thinking Ridgewell got on the wrong side of his man and Gera didn't back him up one bit allowing the situation to unfold.

The rest of you post is just reactionary and at times pretty embarrassing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 01, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
I have never been one of his biggest fans but the treatment he received today was very disappointing to hear.

As poor as he was (and he was very poor) he wasn't alone and was only a whisker away from winning us another 3 points and alot of the below par perfomances would possibly have been overlooked, if not actually forgiven.

The atmosphere just after half time and following the equaliser is what is going to lift the team in these situations - maybe if we could turn the jeering and booing into getting behind the team we could perhaps avoid sub standard displays like today - the constant sighs and groans and getting on the players backs following every misplaced pass, or mistimed tackle or poorly controlled ball, or miscued shot is definately not the answer

rubbish perfomance, rubbish atmosphere, rubbish result - we probably got what we deserved today?

PS: Have a look at the Premier League table - we are sitting in SEVENTH place (7 ot of 20) at this moment in time  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2013, 10:33:03 PM
Ok Brunt was poor today and like many on here I do not like to see him in Central Midfield but  I really hate to see a player abused by his own supporters particularly on a day when many could hardly stir themselves to get behind the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 01, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Blaming Brunt for the first goal is pretty special

There were a lot of players to blame for the goal him included. Ridgewell got turned inside and out and then the ball was pulled back to the Fulham goalscorer who was completely unmarked. Now if you watch the replay you will see Brunt jogging back from about 40 yards out and he ends up in-front of Foster, yet there is no Fulham player near him to mark so why he decided to try and grope Tamas rather than picking a midfield runner is beyond me. His positioning was bizarre. I'd recommend that you watch the goal back on TV and specifically watch his movement from start to finish. His defensive contribution was zero. If anything he has hinderance as he blocked Fosters view who in turn should have done better.

My disappoint with Brunt isn't due to his role in the Fulham goal today, that's just symptomatic of his terrible season. I can put up with dips in performance levels but on a consistent basis he's been garbage, and the lack of effort and work rate is a disgrace.  His willingness to waive his arms around but not to close down. He's terrible passing. I could go on and on. I first noticed his unacceptable effort level against Chelsea at home. We were fighting for our lives to defend he lead in the final ten minutes. He came off the bench. In injury time he lost possession needlessly in the Chelsea box. Rather than sprint back to defend he started arm waving and moaning and didn't do his job. Which was criminal at a time when every other player was breaking sweat. Luckily we held out.

Look at these stats:

Brunt played for 45 minutes or more - W:5  L:5 D:1 AVG points per game: 1.45
Brunt played up to 45 minutes - W:5 L:2 D:3 AVE points per game: 1.80

Of course statistics are misleading but they still tell some of the story.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2013, 11:21:38 PM
Just watched it, brunt was nowhere near foster when the shot was struck.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 01, 2013, 11:24:47 PM
I would rather judge him out wide as filling in  at centre mid isnt the best way to judge, squad player nowadays and him and morrison give you 3/4 good games out of 10.... We have moved on from relying on him to dictate things and as a club we have way too many centre mids, im dreading when mulumbu go's as i feel brunt will get tht CM spot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2013, 11:44:49 PM
Booing (etc) is par for the course today due to the immense and frankly staggering money in the game.

Hard working punters shell out what little disposable income they have to support their team. Players get paid hundres of thousands, if not millions, to turn up and play 90 minutes, once, maybe twice a week.

The drastic distance between players and the fan base has left a bitter taste in many peoples mouths. If the players no longer perform, even if on a single occasion, fans will let them know about it.

Frankly, they've every right to. If you purchased a jumper and discovered it had a gaping hole in it, you'd return it and demand a replacement or your money back. Fans are simply doing the same when they don't get what they think their money merits.

I don't think Albion fans mind people having an off game, as long as they put a shift in. Today I thought Brunt was poor and devoid of any motivation/inspiration which for a captain isn't acceptable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2013, 11:47:54 PM
He didn't deserve the abuse today but my criticism of him isn't based on this one game.  That's why the others having stinkers don't matter, all players have off games and dips in form but Brunt hasn't played well for god knows how long.  It doesn't help being played as a CM but what makes that worse is that's where Brunt feels he should play.

Trying to say that he's been "involved" in 4 of the last 5 goals is overstating the case.  Just because he swung a corner in that a defender has headed straight up, and then Fortune has blocked the keeper so it ended up being palmed into the net doesn't mean Brunt should get credit.  If he does then can we say he's cost us 7 or 8 goals by not putting good balls into the box or hitting the wall with freekicks?  You can't have it both ways.

He really needs to sort his game out.  For me he doesn't defend at all, rarely holds up the opposition midfielders, doesn't tackle and goes to ground easily.  The last 3 or 4 games there's been numerous instances of Brunt just letting his man skip past him and attack the back 4.  Count the number of times you see him stand 6 yards away from the player with the ball while pointing at team mates.

With the ball there's not much from him aside from taking a corner and his 30 yard wonder strike.  I was hoping that was going to be a turning point for him.  Too often he plays the ball and doesn't look for it back again like his job is done now he's played a pass.  Compare this to Mulumbu and Jacob who are constantly moving into space looking for the ball - it makes our midfield static when he's in there   He'll play lazy flicks into space that nobody has a chance of getting as well as miss hit the simplest of passes.

Where's all the killer through balls he used to play?  Opening up the opposition?  The freekicks he used to curl in?  If we have to move him out wide left to get the best out of him then let's do that.  I used to love his crosses to Gera coming in at the far post.  He's the club captain and should be setting the example.

He's currently a shadow of his former self.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 02, 2013, 12:06:27 AM
The 'booing' and 'poor atmosphere' argument is beginning to get a little tedious. If you were at the game, then you have your own opinion, but if you weren't at the game, please don't go by what you hear, as I feel that some peoples disappointment is clouding the facts.

I uploaded a video in the 'After Match thread vs Fulham' which clearly shows the fans singing loud and cheering the lads on. I filmed it because I love to hear the fans sing and today it was very loud throughout. The fans sang about McAuley, Mulumbu, Lukaku, Odemwingie and cheered Brunt every time he went to take a corner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 02, 2013, 12:13:13 AM
The booing and poor atmosphere came across on TV to be honest.  There may have been a few people singing nearby but the first half was deathly quiet (you could hear the odd fan shout and you could hear shouts from the bench) and the boos rang out at half time.  It didn't brighten up at one point when Lukaku was played through but the pass was overhit, he went into the goal and urged the crowd into voice. 

I think some of the criticism of the fans is harsh mind.  The complaints today weren't about where the team is in the league, but about players not putting in effort and doing the very basics right.  Most fans will get annoyed by that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 02, 2013, 12:16:31 AM
The booing and poor atmosphere came across on TV to be honest.  There may have been a few people singing nearby but the first half was deathly quiet (you could hear the odd fan shout and you could hear shouts from the bench) and the boos rang out at half time.  It didn't brighten up at one point when Lukaku was played through but the pass was overhit, he went into the goal and urged the crowd into voice. 

I think some of the criticism of the fans is harsh mind.  The complaints today weren't about where the team is in the league, but about players not putting in effort and doing the very basics right.  Most fans will get annoyed by that.

Fair enough. I agree that at times it was a little quiet, but some people make it sound like it was a morgue for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
The only place where Brunt is worth a place in this side is wide left, where that great left foot can be devastating.  It's wide left or not at all for me. The rest of his game is really very ordinary, but he's one of the best in the Premiership if we play to his strengths. Trying to play him centre midfield is like playing Odemwingie at left back!



Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 02, 2013, 12:25:07 AM
Yeah, I think sometimes the crowd have to lift the players but also it happens the other way around and the team have to lift the crowd.  The team was so lackluster in the first half it's no surprise the crowd were irritable.  As soon as they had something to sing about they did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maladoir on January 02, 2013, 12:25:51 AM
SC is finding it tough to release Chris 'cause he gave him captaincy.  The poor lad is just not up to Premiership football (presently anyhow) and if he likes the club unless he is plain dumb he should be aware of this fact himself and resign his post fortwith and save club and his good self any further embarrassment
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 02, 2013, 08:06:23 AM
The only place where Brunt is worth a place in this side is wide left, where that great left foot can be devastating.  It's wide left or not at all for me. The rest of his game is really very ordinary, but he's one of the best in the Premiership if we play to his strengths. Trying to play him centre midfield is like playing Odemwingie at left back!
This is exactly right. Playing Brunt in defensive midfield is a waste of time as he cant tackle and attacking midfield players from the opposition waltz round him like he isnt there. Couldnt win a 50 5 0 tackle if his life depended on it !. Played out of position, he's a waste of a shirt !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
Booing (etc) is par for the course today due to the immense and frankly staggering money in the game.

Hard working punters shell out what little disposable income they have to support their team. Players get paid hundres of thousands, if not millions, to turn up and play 90 minutes, once, maybe twice a week.

The drastic distance between players and the fan base has left a bitter taste in many peoples mouths. If the players no longer perform, even if on a single occasion, fans will let them know about it.

Frankly, they've every right to. If you purchased a jumper and discovered it had a gaping hole in it, you'd return it and demand a replacement or your money back. Fans are simply doing the same when they don't get what they think their money merits.

I don't think Albion fans mind people having an off game, as long as they put a shift in. Today I thought Brunt was poor and devoid of any motivation/inspiration which for a captain isn't acceptable.

Like every human being in the world, i have off days where i don't perform very well - not by choice or deliberately, it just happens.

The money argument is totally flawed, as footballers are still human with all of the stuff that goes with it. We don't pay their wages, Sky do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 02, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
Like every human being in the world, i have off days where i don't perform very well - not by choice or deliberately, it just happens.

The money argument is totally flawed, as footballers are still human with all of the stuff that goes with it. We don't pay their wages, Sky do.


I can partly see where you're coming from, but there are two reasons why I disagree.

While we do not directly pay their wages, if fans didn't go to matches or subscribe to Sky, they wouldn't be paid.

And the other point is I don't think most people are bothered about footballers being paid, I think it's more the amount of money they're paid that infuriates people so much, when they actually do very little work, time-wise.

I agree though that they are human and make errors, unintentionally. I don't believe any footballer would purposely go out to play badly as it's their career that would suffer. I do feel that some players take their positions for granted though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 09:10:36 AM
People are paid in accordance with the money their efforts generate, footballers generate a hell of alot of money and are rewarded accordingly.

Game time isn't allot but the training, strain on the body and commitment required to maintain fitness is very hard work in what is a very short career.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on January 02, 2013, 09:49:31 AM
It may be a short career but if they haven't earned enough to live off then they need to get a job like the rest of us.

This isn't a dig at you Rowley, but I have to say that my pay is not matched to my efforts. I'm sure a lot of us are in the same boat when it comes to that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 09:51:38 AM
It may be a short career but if they haven't earned enough to live off then they need to get a job like the rest of us.

This isn't a dig at you Rowley, but I have to say that my pay is not matched to my efforts. I'm sure a lot of us are in the same boat when it comes to that.

Its all about talent, loads of people could do most jobs but only very few can be top level footballers.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Gaffer on January 02, 2013, 09:53:35 AM
The money they get paid is obscene end of.

Doctors save lives, they don't get £100 grand a week. I can understand them getting a good wage but if my career ends I'm expected to get another one, footballers should be the same.

All that money for kicking a ball its plain ridiculous.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on January 02, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
im starting to wonder if i am the parallel  to jacko2000 and his views on Dorrans, as i think if Dorrans was given as many chances and lives as Brunt he'd be better and could develop some actual form. I dont know if i've just gone so anti-brunt that he could score a hat trick and set up 3 in a game and i'd still think he's bad, or if he is as bad as i find him.

The thing is if you watch a season review that shows mostly just goals he looks like a world beater, but the truth is he could frustrate and give the ball away so much and then set up a goal. Is he a luxury? He doesn't score like he used to, can we afford to keep starting him, and as captain?

I'm not convinced by him at all, i'm not saying dorrans is the answer either, i'm just saying if he was allowed to start so many games after poor performances, where might he be now? I just wonder if he's not right for this system, i feel we need a fast pacy tricky winger, a la Chelseas midfielders.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
The money they get paid is obscene end of.

Doctors save lives, they don't get £100 grand a week. I can understand them getting a good wage but if my career ends I'm expected to get another one, footballers should be the same.

All that money for kicking a ball its plain ridiculous.

Doctor's do get paid very handsomely though. I never understand why people pick on footballers for earning a lot of money, but musicians, actors, tennis players, F1 drivers, golfers etc never get mentioned. I've never heard anyone after a bad film moan about the fee the actors got paid for it for example.

If footballers didn't get such wages, in the main it would mostly just be going to the chairman. How is that better?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Gaffer on January 02, 2013, 10:27:46 AM
Doctor's do get paid very handsomely though. I never understand why people pick on footballers for earning a lot of money, but musicians, actors, tennis players, F1 drivers, golfers etc never get mentioned. I've never heard anyone after a bad film moan about the fee the actors got paid for it for example.

If footballers didn't get such wages, in the main it would mostly just be going to the chairman. How is that better?


Probably because:

a) Its the attitude of them
b) because football is a results based business. No one minds Messi earning whatever amount because he earns it.

Also, acting, music is a not a job its a way of life, football isn't, a couple of hours a day training and a couple of games week.

I have no problem with them getting paid a large wage but not one of them deserves more than £20 grand a week, not even the worlds best. That is over £1 million per year. if someone can't live on that they want hanging!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: pointergeorge on January 02, 2013, 10:29:13 AM
Brunt should not be in the squad, and certainly not Captain. His attitude stinks, as does his all round play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on January 02, 2013, 10:37:33 AM
I think Rowley said it well above, we all have off days, Brunt maybe is having more than normal, thats upto the manager to decide whether its a temporary problem or if he is past his best, the fact he has picked him pretty much every game since he returned to fitness suggest that management think he can offer something. The last four managers have obviously felt the same thing, as much as i like Dorrans the last three managers havent seen enough to pick him reguarly, not slating Dorrans there as think he was unlucky to get subbed against Norwich and played well against Man United but Brunt seems to of been singled out for having the nerve to be picked by the manager!

I have said in previous posts, i my opinon i think Brunt is now more of a squad player who will play in certain type of games, rather than a first team player he once was but he seems to be blamed for every bad Albion performance, he was rubbish yesterday along with about 8 others in the first half.

I never agree with booing individuals unless they clearly arent trying or do something to disgrace the club whilst on the pitch, however when Brunt is playing he never lacks effort, he always gives his everything (which for me is a minimum requirement) okay he has little tantrums but everybody is different. Since he has been at a club he has been captain under 3 managers, seems very well respected and thought of by the staff he works with everyday, he attends a lot of community events and i get the impression he is genuinely proud to be an Albion representative, he has never disgraced the club and yet a small minority and it is a small minority chose to ridicule and boo him! Unfortunately the minority often over shadow the majority but if somebody is giving their all whether its a window cleaner or a millionaire footballer (and i agree footballers do tend to get bad press for being dettached from reality, when actors, musicians, etc seem to get very little of the bad press yet do just as bad or worse) then you cant ask anymore of the person whether its good enough or not is irrelevant, thats upto management to decide, thats what they are employed for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on January 02, 2013, 10:44:32 AM
I think Rowley said it well above, we all have off days, Brunt maybe is having more than normal, thats upto the manager to decide whether its a temporary problem or if he is past his best, the fact he has picked him pretty much every game since he returned to fitness suggest that management think he can offer something. The last four managers have obviously felt the same thing, as much as i like Dorrans the last three managers havent seen enough to pick him reguarly, not slating Dorrans there as think he was unlucky to get subbed against Norwich and played well against Man United but Brunt seems to of been singled out for having the nerve to be picked by the manager!

I have said in previous posts, i my opinon i think Brunt is now more of a squad player who will play in certain type of games, rather than a first team player he once was but he seems to be blamed for every bad Albion performance, he was rubbish yesterday along with about 8 others in the first half.

I never agree with booing individuals unless they clearly arent trying or do something to disgrace the club whilst on the pitch, however when Brunt is playing he never lacks effort, he always gives his everything (which for me is a minimum requirement) okay he has little tantrums but everybody is different. Since he has been at a club he has been captain under 3 managers, seems very well respected and thought of by the staff he works with everyday, he attends a lot of community events and i get the impression he is genuinely proud to be an Albion representative, he has never disgraced the club and yet a small minority and it is a small minority chose to ridicule and boo him! Unfortunately the minority often over shadow the majority but if somebody is giving their all whether its a window cleaner or a millionaire footballer (and i agree footballers do tend to get bad press for being dettached from reality, when actors, musicians, etc seem to get very little of the bad press yet do just as bad or worse) then you cant ask anymore of the person whether its good enough or not is irrelevant, thats upto management to decide, thats what they are employed for.


Totally agree with the above.
Unless its for disrespecting the club anybody booing should be ashamed of themselves
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 02, 2013, 10:54:31 AM
Just remember
When you boo brunt , you boo the managers decision to pick him, you boo the teammates who play with him, you boo your own supporters who support him, I can see he is clearly off form, I can see he's not enjoying playing at the moment but I won't boo because it REALLY won't help.
I'd bench him and use him towards the end of games (on the wing) when we have got a pretty safe position, like him or not no one in our squad delivers a dead ball /cross like him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2013, 10:54:37 AM
Can we cut the comments calling other posts 'embarrassing, pathetic etc etc', those type of posts are not much better than the ones you are replying to and will only get deleted so why waste your time replying.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
Can we cut the comments calling other posts 'embarrassing, pathetic etc etc', those type of posts are not much better than the ones you are replying to and will only get deleted so why waste your time replying.

With respect, if a post is embarrassing and pathetic mate i will - when someone puts something so completely ridiculous as a couple of comments on here they are opening themselves up to be pulled up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
With respect, if a post is embarrassing and pathetic mate i will - when someone puts something so completely ridiculous as a couple of comments on here they are opening themselves up to be pulled up.

Sorry Matt but then you'll be wasting your energy doing it as it will get removed.

Theres post on here that are absolutely shocking at times but like it or not they have that right and that's something that will never change.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
Sorry Matt but then you'll be wasting your energy doing it as it will get removed.

Theres post on here that are absolutely shocking at times but like it or not they have that right and that's something that will never change.

And its killing the site mate, the quality of some posts these days is absoloutely shocking and its a real shame. I can take opposing opinions and will debate all day long, but only if there is a coherant and worthwhile argument available to converse with.

The post im refering too in particular (Brunt should resign blah blah) was embarrassing and will only put people off bothering.

Im not having a go at you Phil, far from it as i know the job you have to do on here - i think we all know the problems with crazy "opinions" on this site and what its done to the overall quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 02, 2013, 11:04:49 AM
Gera was just as bad as Brunt yesterday, yet one was booed off the other applauded off. Proves that when the chips are down our moronic fans have to have a scapegoat - Odemwingie was the chosen one last season, seems like its Brunt this time round
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 02, 2013, 11:07:48 AM
Gera was just as bad as Brunt yesterday, yet one was booed off the other applauded off. Proves that when the chips are down our moronic fans have to have a scapegoat - Odemwingie was the chosen one last season, seems like its Brunt this time round

It was Jones until Brunt came back from injury, Fortune was booed when he was announced as a sub last season.

Lets hope Brunt can make the boo boys look as stupid as Marco and Billy have.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2013, 11:36:40 AM

Probably because:

a) Its the attitude of them
b) because football is a results based business. No one minds Messi earning whatever amount because he earns it.

Also, acting, music is a not a job its a way of life, football isn't, a couple of hours a day training and a couple of games week.

I have no problem with them getting paid a large wage but not one of them deserves more than £20 grand a week, not even the worlds best. That is over £1 million per year. if someone can't live on that they want hanging!

You have to be so much more disciplined and lead a far more restricted life to be a footballer than either of those. Not sure how you can really claim they're a way of life and footballers aren't, they certainly don't earn their money anymore than footballers do.

And what attitude of them in general? What attitude is so much worse than other sportsmen? They get a hell of a lot more bile and jealousy, hence they're naturally going to respond more. You don't get people at tennis matches booing players and shouting death wishes at them. You do at football matches.

And i'll ask again, if the money doesn't go to the footballers, do you believe its fair the chairmen get it? Because that's who it's going to go too. They get paid ridiculous amounts of money because there's a ridiculous amounts of money in the sport because so many people watch it. Even in Germany where they have everything pretty much spot on the players still get huge wages.

It's really not a case of saying oh doctors save lives and don't get paid anywhere near as well. Yes they do. They also get paid by taxes. Maybe people who moan about them, soldiers, nurses getting paid much less will volunteer to pay more taxes to make up for the discrepancy?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
And its killing the site mate, the quality of some posts these days is absoloutely shocking and its a real shame. I can take opposing opinions and will debate all day long, but only if there is a coherant and worthwhile argument available to converse with.

The post im refering too in particular (Brunt should resign blah blah) was embarrassing and will only put people off bothering.

Im not having a go at you Phil, far from it as i know the job you have to do on here - i think we all know the problems with crazy "opinions" on this site and what its done to the overall quality.

Its nowhere near as bad as it was as the majority of problems have gone, there are one or two who we know of and are being watched and will be gone.

The post you and others replied to is either someone foreign who hasn't got a good grasp of English or was inebriated at the time of posting, I honestly can't fathom out which, if ignored then it will disappear quickly but the problem we have is that if we get replies that bring it to attention like that then it spreads and others topics get full of the same replies when its totally undeserved.

Problem we have is its open to all to post within the rules, if we start dictating what can and can't be posted we might as well close it down.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 02, 2013, 01:39:02 PM
Its nowhere near as bad as it was as the majority of problems have gone, there are one or two who we know of and are being watched and will be gone.

The post you and others replied to is either someone foreign who hasn't got a good grasp of English or was inebriated at the time of posting, I honestly can't fathom out which, if ignored then it will disappear quickly but the problem we have is that if we get replies that bring it to attention like that then it spreads and others topics get full of the same replies when its totally undeserved.

Problem we have is its open to all to post within the rules, if we start dictating what can and can't be posted we might as well close it down.
If the site gets took off, I shall boo  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 02, 2013, 03:44:02 PM
The same brigade were all over Morrison's back and after some outstanding dynamic performances they couldn't carry it on else they would have looked ridiculous.

So onto Brunt they go....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 02, 2013, 03:58:09 PM
At CM where his very much ineffective, i wonder if he'd get the jeers/boo's out wide in his natural position as it could be fans just dont want too see him CM, but then that would be SC's fault... I just wanna see him whipping balls in the box to our 6'2 striker please....brunt is not a jack of all trades......his a master of one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mannimc on January 02, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
In my opinion its quite a simple one, as a club we have kicked on in the last 2 years and as a club have quite simply outgrown the likes of Dorrans and Brunt.

This is no fault of theres but if your aiming for top 6 finishes ther just not good enough. The likes of Maulumbu, Yacub and even Gera to an extent have shown us the quality that is needed to achieve this.

I have no personal problem with Brunt but his performance against Fulham was as poor as anyone iv ever seen in an Albion shirt for a long time. I dont think its fair to boo him but can understand why certain areas of the crowd did so, I think for top Chamionship or lower prem you can carry players like Brunt but if were moving on to bigger things it could be the end of him.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 02, 2013, 04:27:53 PM
It was Jones until Brunt came back from injury, Fortune was booed when he was announced as a sub last season.

Lets hope Brunt can make the boo boys look as stupid as Marco and Billy have.

This I agree with completely. Brunt has talent. What annoyed me was his lack of inspiration and leadership on the pitch. I don't mean he should have been shouting, ranting and raving, you lead by example and his all round game was very poor yesterday.

I would drop him for Saturday, let him rest up and hopefully come back stronger for the next game. Here's hoping the fans give him a cheer when his name is next read out. Bit of positivity might do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 02, 2013, 09:55:18 PM
In my opinion its quite a simple one, as a club we have kicked on in the last 2 years and as a club have quite simply outgrown the likes of Dorrans and Brunt.

This is no fault of theres but if your aiming for top 6 finishes ther just not good enough. The likes of Maulumbu, Yacub and even Gera to an extent have shown us the quality that is needed to achieve this.

I have no personal problem with Brunt but his performance against Fulham was as poor as anyone iv ever seen in an Albion shirt for a long time. I dont think its fair to boo him but can understand why certain areas of the crowd did so, I think for top Chamionship or lower prem you can carry players like Brunt but if were moving on to bigger things it could be the end of him.

'Carry players like Brunt'

I reckon you should go watch the last few games he has played CM and tell me we are 'carrying him' Granted he was poor against Fulham but the last few games before if you watch closely he has dictated play in midfield seeing plenty of the ball and making the right decisions. We all know he's a man who thrives with the ball at his feet and not a tough tackling ball winner.

It's a shame people think that because he is replacing Yacob he is out there to do Yacob's job. Totally wrong, he is out there to play his own game and nobody else's.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 03, 2013, 12:06:41 AM
He really hasn't been dictacting any play and he has been poor most of the season when he has played.  What he offers currently are decent corners and that's about it.  Against Man Utd he barely had an impact and was then subbed for Morrison.  That's when we started applying pressure.  Let's take the QPR game because that's about as well as he played (he took his goal well but was barely scraping average then).  So how did he do?

1 corner on target out of 6.
1 cross on target out of 9.
1 goal from 1 shot.
He took nobody on.
He made ZERO tackles, didn't even attempt any.
He won 1 header out of 1 attempt.
Made 35 passes out of 44 (80% success rate).
Gave away 2 fouls.
Wasn't fouled at all.
Majority of his passes were around the halfway lane, most going backwards into our half.

Mulumbu made 6 successful tackles out of 8.  Made 46 out of 60 passes, balanced across mainly the right side of the pitch but in both attacking and defensive halves. 

Mulumbu is pulling the strings in midfield, not Brunt.  Brunt is actually offering no cover at all to the defence and he's not exactly creating chances in open play either.

As a Brunt comparison, against Fulham he had a 71% pass completion rate.  Out of 21 balls into the box (corners + crosses) he found a man 5 times.   He didn't make a single tackle again, but he did attempt 2. 

The stats just don't hold up to him dictating play.  You can't dictate anything when 1 out of 5 passes is giving the ball away.

Now granted, he's never been a tough tackling midfielder but when his contribution is practically nil when it comes to defending it has to be pretty damn good on the attacking side to ensure he's not going to be open to criticism.  Aside from his corners and the goal against QPR, what has he offered as an attacking threat?  Again, the stats show pretty much nothing.  He's basically a poor man's Beckham at the moment, without the talent and the effort.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
He really hasn't been dictacting any play and he has been poor most of the season when he has played.  What he offers currently are decent corners and that's about it.  Against Man Utd he barely had an impact and was then subbed for Morrison.  That's when we started applying pressure.  Let's take the QPR game because that's about as well as he played (he took his goal well but was barely scraping average then).  So how did he do?

1 corner on target out of 6.
1 cross on target out of 9.
1 goal from 1 shot.
He took nobody on.
He made ZERO tackles, didn't even attempt any.
He won 1 header out of 1 attempt.
Made 35 passes out of 44 (80% success rate).
Gave away 2 fouls.
Wasn't fouled at all.
Majority of his passes were around the halfway lane, most going backwards into our half.

Mulumbu made 6 successful tackles out of 8.  Made 46 out of 60 passes, balanced across mainly the right side of the pitch but in both attacking and defensive halves. 

Mulumbu is pulling the strings in midfield, not Brunt.  Brunt is actually offering no cover at all to the defence and he's not exactly creating chances in open play either.

As a Brunt comparison, against Fulham he had a 71% pass completion rate.  Out of 21 balls into the box (corners + crosses) he found a man 5 times.   He didn't make a single tackle again, but he did attempt 2. 

The stats just don't hold up to him dictating play.  You can't dictate anything when 1 out of 5 passes is giving the ball away.

Now granted, he's never been a tough tackling midfielder but when his contribution is practically nil when it comes to defending it has to be pretty damn good on the attacking side to ensure he's not going to be open to criticism.  Aside from his corners and the goal against QPR, what has he offered as an attacking threat?  Again, the stats show pretty much nothing.  He's basically a poor man's Beckham at the moment, without the talent and the effort.

A quite baffling post, the emboldened bit suggests a 20% pass completion rate, you have just given his... 80% at Loftus Road and 71% on New Years Day (by the way, hardly awful is it? But he played badly which is accepted)

If stats meant anything in football, Chelsea would have battered QPR tonight.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 03, 2013, 12:37:54 AM
Read it again Jacko - it suggests an 80% completion rate.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
Indeed, my apologies. Still baffling though as 80%   is a decent return for any central midfielder, you're only in the nineties if you're not 'trying' anything... which is why I didn't get onto it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ross on January 03, 2013, 12:56:02 AM
There's no getting away from the fact that Brunt has the best deadball delivery in the team, but there is not much more going for him. He doesn't fit into the team unless Clarke plays him in a side that uses the width of the pitch.

Like many people have previously said, as harsh as it sounds, players like Brunt and Dorrans should only get the last 15 minutes or games, or fill in as squad players - as they are at the moment.

There is no longevity to Brunt's role in our current side with our current formation. The fact that he is club captain is affording him a role in our side that may better be tried with Thorne, Jara etc

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 03, 2013, 01:08:28 AM
It's been an ongoing theme ever since Clarke took over that our midfield tries to move the ball up field as fast as possible. That is why we keep giving the ball away  and have such low possession. We try the strangest passes as soon as we have the ball rather than simply put a foot on the ball and start rolling it about to keep possession. Brunt made several such passes in the game against Fulham. Instead of taking the ball under control he just punted it forward, as did Gera and Morrison. I think it's under instructions, as we know these players can pass the ball when they want to.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 03, 2013, 01:46:51 AM
A quite baffling post, the emboldened bit suggests a 20% pass completion rate, you have just given his... 80% at Loftus Road and 71% on New Years Day (by the way, hardly awful is it? But he played badly which is accepted)

If stats meant anything in football, Chelsea would have battered QPR tonight.
If stats meant anything, we'd have beaten Fulham, Had double the shots on target.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarich on January 03, 2013, 02:24:30 PM
Just remember
When you boo brunt , you boo the managers decision to pick him, you boo the teammates who play with him, you boo your own supporters who support him, I can see he is clearly off form, I can see he's not enjoying playing at the moment but I won't boo because it REALLY won't help.
I'd bench him and use him towards the end of games (on the wing) when we have got a pretty safe position, like him or not no one in our squad delivers a dead ball /cross like him.

really? did you see the man utd game where he had 4 or 5 decent chances to really put some quality in from set pieces and totally wasted them !? Where are these top class crosses / dead balls he is supposed to deliver then? We are a much better side without Brunt in it & the sooner he is dropped the better
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies54 on January 03, 2013, 02:28:56 PM
The only thing I have against Brunty is that when he recieves the ball the flow of the game slows down a bit, I would like to see him move it on a bit quicker(providing there is anyone in position to receive a pass) and then get forward to have one of his shots at goal, or play the through balls he is capable of, we've all seen him cut defences in half with a nicely timed through ball, but we have to get players up there to play to, and we aint doing enough of that lately.  We have all found resons for blaming individuals for the misgivings of the team (me included), yet if we look hard enough and long enough there is usually an underlying reason for them having a bad game.  Don't boo it's not productive.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 03, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
When he is hounded out of the club by the 'boo brigade' and sarcastic cheering etc people will realise we miss him. Big shame.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ty84 on January 19, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
Owing to work commitments I had to watch the game at the pub, but the missus (designated driver  :P) came with me. At various points throughout the game, Brunt was in the face of the ref, appealing every decision and mouthing off even to the point where the missus said to me "he looks like a nasty piece of work" and this got me thinking. I was as sceptical as the next fan when Brunt was handed the armband but actually I think it's starting to sink in that he might well be the right man for the job. He was instrumental in orchestrating the second half comeback, not least with his goal, but with his overall body language and harassing the ref at every decision. If you think about it, all the captains at the so-called big clubs do exactly the same so why should we be any different? I think his captaincy sometimes contravenes his languid playing style which is probably what put most of us off in the first place, but contemplating the last couple of seasons, I have to say I think he's grown into the role and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on January 19, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
Roy Hodgson said he was his 'eyes and ears on the pitch' whilst playing, make of it what you will.

If you look on his twitter after the boos you can see he's very passionate about this club which counts for something!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on January 19, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
Not sure.

Only one team was ready for kick off when leaving the dressing room.

We never looked up for it and we're happy to play 2nd fiddle to a 19th placed team.

No good being fired up when 2-0 down, you need to be at it from the start.

Brunt is too laid back for a captain, Roy Keane he isn't!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 19, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
Clarke seems to trust him. They seem to have good communication from what I've seen, with Clarke often talking with Brunt to give instructions.

Brunt's goal is exactly how I want to see Brunt appear in the box, he needs to get into those positions more.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 19, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
I would agree with ty, it is his playing style which puts a lot of people off. I think I've said before, there must be something about his personality that lends itself to the captaincy for 3 different head coaches to make / stick with that decision.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jonny on January 19, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
Thought Brunt played well in the 2nd half. Very good use of the ball, as did Dozza.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 19, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
I would agree with ty, it is his playing style which puts a lot of people off. I think I've said before, there must be something about his personality that lends itself to the captaincy for 3 different head coaches to make / stick with that decision.
Something that might be important to remember (ESPN reminded me) is that Brunt is already to an A rank coaching license, which is only one i think away from the full blown pro license. He's near enough the Assistant player manager. Maybe thats where we are going wrong.... We've got three assistant head coaches!!   ;)

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 19, 2013, 10:06:37 PM
Was nowhere to bee seen with the 2 goals, ESPN did a montage i was told about our midfield not screening the back 4 when it's not mulumbu/yacob... Yacob was way off pace which baffled me how he started him. But we don't play for 2 weeks so when mulumbu/yacob are back available it shall be interesting where he then considers brunt as i'd always go with mulumbu/yacob as the pairing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 19, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
Was nowhere to bee seen with the 2 goals, ESPN did a montage i was told about our midfield not screening the back 4 when it's not mulumbu/yacob... Yacob was way off pace which baffled me how he started him. But we don't play for 2 weeks so when mulumbu/yacob are back available it shall be interesting where he then considers brunt as i'd always go with mulumbu/yacob as the pairing.
Brunt would probably be moved out wide again to share with Thomas, perhaps with license to move into a central position to cover opportunities like today's.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2013, 11:11:57 PM
Brunt will play wide when the Mulumbu/Yacob axis is restored. No doubt. One of the first names on the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 20, 2013, 01:41:44 AM
Thought he showed great composure and kicking technique by curving his shot in for first goal. One of his best. He has one of the best shots at the club, but still has a high proportion that end up in Row Z.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2013, 04:58:50 AM
One thing I noticed in the Villa game was when he had a word with Olsson who lost his head a bit to pick up a needless booking, clearly told him he needed to think more about what he was doing. First time I've thought he was doing what he should be as a captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on January 20, 2013, 05:17:30 AM
The entire midfield struggled for much of the first 45 yesterday, with too many big balls From the back by passing midfield and just hoofed up toward no one in particular. As the game wore on though I thought Brunt started to impose himself more and despite being two down we ended the first half looking as though we were improving and he, with Dorrans too, was a big part of that.

His goal was a belter though. The composure he showed was beyond anything most of our team could produce, a top class precision strike. Wonderful skill and it gave us the lifeline we needed.

Someone said his style is languid. Perhaps too much so, since as fans we generally like layers who huff and puff. But Brunt is class, and he never hides, and he's one of ours. Keep it up Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 20, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
Seocnd half I thought Brunt was better Yesterday, scored a great goal too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on January 20, 2013, 10:08:06 AM
He scored a very good goal but that first half bullet strike from 20 yards straight at the Villa keeper only needed to be a yard either side and the keeper would have had no chance.

I'm not a big Brunt fan. He's got a great left foot but has very poor body language for a supposed leader on the pitch.  He can change a game with a brilliant pass or cross, but he can also drift anonymously out of games.  He will always be a "Marmite" player for most of us!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 20, 2013, 12:29:18 PM
Credit to him for his goal yesterday, it was a good finish and he also had a decent effort in the first half. That said there are too many occasions when he watches the opposition midfielder run past him. He was better yesterday as at least his passing was decent again but he still needs to close down the opposition if he is to remain in centre midfield. We were abject in the first half and much better in the second, after Yacob's injury Dorrans was moved from out wide (where he is ineffectual) to the centre and that for me was the biggest single factor in turning the game around.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 20, 2013, 03:28:17 PM
What a goal yesterday. Couldn't hear any boos for him? I'm guessing those people who booed him a couple of games ago were the ones who moved onto Rosenberg. Very sad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 20, 2013, 03:31:42 PM
What a goal yesterday. Couldn't hear any boos for him? I'm guessing those people who booed him a couple of games ago were the ones who moved onto Rosenberg. Very sad.
couple of sparse ones when there were misses, lobs that got intercepted or over hit etc but nothing major that I heard.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 20, 2013, 05:18:19 PM
Brunt is starting to look fitter. Just like PO Brunt is a player we need to have as involved in games as possible. I liked the way he ghosted in for his goal. I want to see him do that a lot more but it will only happen if we have functioning attack play on the flanks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on January 20, 2013, 06:23:43 PM
just read the Sunday Star! Chris got in the team of the day PLAYING FOR VILLA! cant these journos get it right! nearly as bad as Gary Lineker caiming on MOTD that we were playing at Villa Park >:(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Esso #13 on January 21, 2013, 09:49:24 PM
I'm a fan of Brunty's, but don't like him playing in the central position. Too lightweight and slow to pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on January 22, 2013, 08:05:37 AM
Fairly sound, modest response to the boong reported in the papers.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 22, 2013, 08:20:37 AM
I think Brunt is starting to get better in this new role that he has had ot play in over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2013, 09:38:50 AM
Under normal circumstances we have Yacob and Mulumbu in the central midfield positions.
Nobody, but nobody, in our current squad is ever going to be able to fill those boots the way that those pair do.
Other different pairings have been tried and met with disatisfaction from the crowd.
Give the lads that fill in in those positions a bit of credit, most are being asked to play unfamiliar roles, and do it to the best of their ability.
Brunty's best position is further and wider up the pitch, I think he knows that.
He's also been part an instrumental part of our success in recent years and given that 3 previous managers made him an automatic starter says volumes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: valleybaggie on January 22, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
not slating brunt playing cm because he's doing his best being played out of position just can't see why reid or jara hasn't been tried there . reid has played there for his previous club and jara has played centre back so at least he has more defensive qualities than brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 22, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
not slating brunt playing cm because he's doing his best being played out of position just can't see why reid or jara hasn't been tried there . reid has played there for his previous club and jara has played centre back so at least he has more defensive qualities than brunt

Reid just hasn't been fit and we preferred to send Jara out on loan for the rest of the season so the manager obviously didn't rate him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: phbaggies on January 22, 2013, 11:51:11 AM
Great response from Brunty to be fair, rather than sulk he has took it on the chin and rolled his sleeves up!

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2013/01/22/chris-brunt-takes-west-brom-fan-flak-on-the-chin/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

West Brom captain Chris Brunt today shrugged off criticism from the Hawthorns boo-boys and insisted he has taken the abuse “on the chin.”

The Baggies skipper insists he has moved on from his run-in with fans and spoke of his delight at regaining a regular starting spot.

Speaking for the first time since a section of fans cheered ironically when he was substituted in the 2-1 home defeat against Fulham, the 28-year-old said: “It’s part and parcel of football.

“It’s nice to be applauded for what you’re doing but when you’re playing in front of 25,000-30,000 every week it’s not an easy place to hide.

“Against Fulham, I wasn’t good. It was disappointing to hear the reaction but that’s life. You have to take it on the chin and move on.

“I’ve been here for six years now and I have had one pretty bad moment, so I’m quite happy with that record.

“It’s down to me to play well on the pitch. Fulham was a bad game all round for everybody and somebody’s got to take the flak.

"It happened to be me that day but that’s part and parcel of the job. I’m lucky to have to job I have but it just happens that it’s in the public eye each week and it’s easy for people to get frustrated.”
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 22, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
Reid just hasn't been fit and we preferred to send Jara out on loan for the rest of the season so the manager obviously didn't rate him.
I just can't see Reid being fit enough, mobile enough or good enough on the ball for CM in the prem now. Thorne has given two decent displays there and he's the future - seems an ideal time to give him 8 - 10 games between now and the end of the season. See how he goes...could bring him on a lot ready for next season (and think he would do a good job now).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kingswinfordbaggie on January 22, 2013, 12:44:12 PM
IMO Christ Brunt has been awful this season and is playing on past reputation, when George Thorne should start over him. You can say he scored 2 goals this month all you want. I really can't understand why he keeps playing. I haven't seen one good game apart from maybe second half against Villa and i do go to all the games. Same for Dorrans, he came alive as soon as he went into the centre against Villa but he is way too inconsistent. The difference in the Villa game was Dorrans second half an Jerome Thomas who we have dearly missed!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 22, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
We bought him as a wide player, Whips in a mean cross( villa,west ham,wigan) and being heavily one footed with no pace, Lack of bite in a tackle,average heading then it's not a good recipe for a premier league CM player. It's the Greening situation again, Bought them as wide players, They convert to CM and are captain, But over a full season we'll struggle with guys like that in the middle, They're comftable on the ball but when it comes to the other aspects of being CM they are severly lacking, Brunt has to adapt to CM, Yacob was a born CM.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 22, 2013, 02:50:19 PM
We bought him as a wide player, Whips in a mean cross( villa,west ham,wigan) and being heavily one footed with no pace, Lack of bite in a tackle,average heading then it's not a good recipe for a premier league CM player. It's the Greening situation again, Bought them as wide players, They convert to CM and are captain, But over a full season we'll struggle with guys like that in the middle, They're comftable on the ball but when it comes to the other aspects of being CM they are severly lacking, Brunt has to adapt to CM, Yacob was a born CM.

Greening was much better at CM than at LM in my opinion, it was his natural position. He was brilliant under Tony Mowbray in the championship.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on January 22, 2013, 03:41:25 PM
Time for him to go back out-wide for me, back out on the right and he will protect Jones IMO better than anyone else we have
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 22, 2013, 04:10:25 PM
We bought him as a wide player, Whips in a mean cross( villa,west ham,wigan) and being heavily one footed with no pace, Lack of bite in a tackle,average heading then it's not a good recipe for a premier league CM player. It's the Greening situation again, Bought them as wide players, They convert to CM and are captain, But over a full season we'll struggle with guys like that in the middle, They're comftable on the ball but when it comes to the other aspects of being CM they are severly lacking, Brunt has to adapt to CM, Yacob was a born CM.

I don't agree with one footed. Did you see the shot he had against United with his right foot? The United keeper was lucky it was straight at him.

But I agree with the CM comment. Management and the coaches like to talk about flexibility of the players, but you can almost always tell a player is out of position. The little tricks of the trade and natural flow is often missing, they often simply don't have the experience from years of that 'backup' position. They can do a job in a pinch, but it definitely isn't the same thing. It weakens the team, especially if you have a lot of players filling in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 22, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
Firstly, I think it's pretty sad that our captain and one of our longest serving players has had to come out and defend himself because some morons booed him.

I don't think it's fair to say he's been converted to a central midfielder, I'm pretty certain that Clarke would much prefer him to play out wide but it's been needs must that Brunt plays in central midfield because we have had Yacob/Mulumbu/both out over this period.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 22, 2013, 05:04:40 PM
I don't agree with one footed. Did you see the shot he had against United with his right foot? The United keeper was lucky it was straight at him.

But I agree with the CM comment. Management and the coaches like to talk about flexibility of the players, but you can almost always tell a player is out of position. The little tricks of the trade and natural flow is often missing, they often simply don't have the experience from years of that 'backup' position. They can do a job in a pinch, but it definitely isn't the same thing. It weakens the team, especially if you have a lot of players filling in.
In regards to heavely one footed i mean as in going for a tackle he'll always lead in with the left which balance wise isnt natural, He has a mean shot i agree and to be fair forgot about his shot against yanited!!!

I'm a fan of brunt, I hope my post didn't come across personal, As i was judging him as a CM and how he doesn't seem natural they're as like you say, It's the little tricks of the trade which Mulumbu, Yacob and even Dorrans possess, I just love seeing him whip cross's in and always have since his been at the club, He just isn't a jack of all trades, His a master of one which is why i would rather see him cross the ball than in the middle filling in. The lad from sunderland is alot like brunt, Mclean is it? I think his outwide for sunderland.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 23, 2013, 10:58:41 PM
greetings and a happy new new year to all my fellow west brom.comrs. after an extended sabbatical moving house i am glad to be back online and in amongst the baggies again. i look forward to catching up on all the latest debate. slightly disappointed at the recent treatment brunty received from a section of supporters recently. yes his form has been patchy this season yes supporters have every right to express opinions yes no one is above criticsm. as a fantastic servant and ambassador of the club not to mention that he is our club captain did he deserve that because he had a bad game......absolutely not in my book. maybe there is a time and place to boo but for me this should be reserved for the collective and not individuals. it was great to see him bounce back with aplomb at the weekend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ryan0305 on January 24, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Brunt has been a great player for many years. He has a good left foot and we did buy him as a left sided player. The problem is, every time I have seen him play on the left side this season and last, he always seems to drift in, which means we lack width.
He isn't a natural CM but he can be one. He can dictate play and create the tempo of the game. But it looks like he doesn't like to commit to a challenge and always drops his head when he misses the ball or a player gets passed him.
I also think he will struggle to get back into the team when Yacob and Mulumbu are back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 24, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
Time for him to go back out-wide for me, back out on the right and he will protect Jones IMO better than anyone else we have

he won't though will he, he'll keep coming inside and leaving the defender exposed and the midfield narrow; as he does when he plays out left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 24, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
greetings and a happy new new year to all my fellow west brom.comrs. after an extended sabbatical moving house i am glad to be back online and in amongst the baggies again. i look forward to catching up on all the latest debate. slightly disappointed at the recent treatment brunty received from a section of supporters recently. yes his form has been patchy this season yes supporters have every right to express opinions yes no one is above criticsm. as a fantastic servant and ambassador of the club not to mention that he is our club captain did he deserve that because he had a bad game......absolutely not in my book. maybe there is a time and place to boo but for me this should be reserved for the collective and not individuals. it was great to see him bounce back with aplomb at the weekend.

happy new year to you to! nice to have you back!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ben1983 on January 24, 2013, 06:11:00 PM
Chris Brunt worked his socks off against the villa, fair play to him, lets hope he can continue!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on January 24, 2013, 07:06:44 PM
Yes, nice to see you back. :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 24, 2013, 08:06:50 PM
Cheers lads. Ive always championed Brunty in the middle of the park despite being in the minority. but not in the deep lying role. first half against villa a number of times he found himself running 20 yds to close down the opposition. mulumbu would have already been there right in their faces. the difference between a defensive and offensive specialist i guess?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2013, 08:24:32 PM
Cheers lads. Ive always championed Brunty in the middle of the park despite being in the minority. but not in the deep lying role. first half against villa a number of times he found himself running 20 yds to close down the opposition. mulumbu would have already been there right in their faces. the difference between a defensive and offensive specialist i guess?

I was going to say welcome back but changed my mind now  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on January 24, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
Brunt states on the official site we've got to cut out the cheap goals.

Well sorry mate you're a fairly big reason for it playing in central midfield! 

When Agbonlahor scored it was a knife through butter, we stood and watched.  He just waltzed through midfield unopposed.

I can see what Brunt offers offensively, he has a cracking shot on him and excellent set piece delivery.

I expect to see Albion in some very high scoring matches until Mulumbu & Yacob protect our defence again.

I don't think it's the brightest comment I've ever heard! 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 24, 2013, 08:42:16 PM
I was going to say welcome back but changed my mind now  :D

He seems to be carving out a niche there for himself Oldbury...you may be forced to canvass Clarky soon......anyhow ive missed our little tussles so its good to see your as grumpy as ever... ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
I've got a reputation to maintain  :D

Still not convinced by him there, he's had a couple of okay games but no more than that, sooner we get proper recognsed central midfielders in those roles the better
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 24, 2013, 09:04:13 PM
I've got a reputation to maintain  :D

Still not convinced by him there, he's had a couple of okay games but no more than that, sooner we get proper recognsed central midfielders in those roles the better

George Thorne showed some quality of late. Be nice if he continues to improve. He has good presence as well Oldbury.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on January 24, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Waste of space, never been the same since been given the armband
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 24, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
Chris Brunt worked his socks off against the villa, fair play to him, lets hope he can continue!
I think the Villa game showed though that you need some mobility and dynamism somewhere in that central area. I can't see the mix of Yacob and Brunt being right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on January 24, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
I think we need to be realistic here. Brunt has been distinctly average this season bar a couple of decent performances. He is an okay back-up, but we do have, and should be looking at, players of far greater quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: the rainbow turn east on January 24, 2013, 11:13:07 PM
IMO Christ Brunt has been awful this season and is playing on past reputation, when George Thorne should start over him. You can say he scored 2 goals this month all you want. I really can't understand why he keeps playing. I haven't seen one good game apart from maybe second half against Villa and i do go to all the games. Same for Dorrans, he came alive as soon as he went into the centre against Villa but he is way too inconsistent. The difference in the Villa game was Dorrans second half an Jerome Thomas who we have dearly missed!!!


I think your forgetting that Brunt was injured for a lenghty period of time so is still getting into the
swing of things, you can see how difficult coming back from injury is by looking at Claudio Yacobs
performance against Villa as he was really poor.
I actually thought Brunt done alright against Newcastle and Man Utd been played in the middle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on January 24, 2013, 11:34:24 PM

I think your forgetting that Brunt was injured for a lenghty period of time so is still getting into the
swing of things, you can see how difficult coming back from injury is by looking at Claudio Yacobs
performance against Villa as he was really poor.
I actually thought Brunt done alright against Newcastle and Man Utd been played in the middle.


Apparently Brunt doesn't get going until the second half of the season.Nonsense admit it hes past it
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: letmereadposts on January 24, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Scores important goals, clearly respected by team-mates and opposite fans too, also  made captain by the last three managers.

I'm clearly in the minority on this forum when saying Brunt is bloody important player to this squad/club. If we begin to allow the likes of Brunt and Dorrans to leave then we are in trouble.

Brilliant servant.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on January 25, 2013, 10:39:09 AM
He has been a brilliant servant, but this season his form has been awful.  Maybe it's to do with being played in an unfamiliar position but for the last several weeks he hasn't offered much at all aside from set pieces.  If that's all we want then Beckham is without a club!

I've said this about Jones and Brunt isn't far away from the same thing.  We want to be a mid-table Prem side, we need players of at least that quality.  This season he hasn't cut it.  I'd like to see him playing wide left for a change, he's wasted in the middle and it doesn't suit him.  As for other player...

Foster - fine, easily mid-table quality.
Olsson, GMac - no issues there.
Jones - not good enough, certainly not as a first choice\regular player.
Ridgewell - just about scrapes through.
Popov - looks to be good, not had enough full games yet.
Mulumbu, Yacob, no issues there.
Morrison, fine - could do with working on his consistency though.
Brunt, not quite good enough at the moment, has the ability though.
Dorrans, not good enough, squad player at best.
Long, Odemwingie, easily good enough
Fortune, not good enough.

That's my opinion where we need to look to improve.  What's important is if we let players go that we definitely improve on them.  There's no point letting someone like Odemwingie leave and replacing him with someone like Bednar.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 25, 2013, 10:06:43 PM

Apparently Brunt doesn't get going until the second half of the season.Nonsense admit it hes past it

So far past it if we made him available for transfer there would be at least half a dozen prem sides fighting for his signature?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on January 25, 2013, 11:38:46 PM
He's more than good enough for a mid table premiership team. He just needs to be played in his best position! Scandalous that I can't remember the last time he actually started a game on the left hand side. Give him a run of games in that position and his quality will shine through.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 25, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
He's more than good enough for a mid table premiership team. He just needs to be played in his best position! Scandalous that I can't remember the last time he actually started a game on the left hand side. Give him a run of games in that position and his quality will shine through.


Time to change your avatar :D

Brunt needs playing in his rightful position
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on January 26, 2013, 11:02:35 AM
I'd echo the calls for Brunt to be played on the left. Look, I'm not his biggest fan, however I realise the fantastic ability he has to whip in pinpoint crosses - an attribute we are not taking full advantage of playing him in the middle. It's when I look at the performances that Yacob and Mulumbu put in on a regular basis that I feel Brunt's level of performance level is well below. The aforementioned duo really stamp their mark on games, while the game often passes Brunt by. He's doing a job covering injuries at the moment but once Mulumbu is back I'd implore Clarke to move him to the left.

Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 26, 2013, 11:16:43 AM
I actually prefer Brunt on the right. To me is not only a crossing machine, a lot of our best football flows through Brunt and he is often behind our goals in one way or other. But I agree he is not solid enough in his tackling, closing down and positioning to play CM.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on January 28, 2013, 01:32:56 AM
Am I the only one who is now feeling thankful for Chris after all this b*ll*cks with Odemwhingie?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 28, 2013, 04:20:20 AM
Brunt is a class act and a class player. Have never ever understood the negativity towards him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: up_the_baggies on January 28, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Am I the only one who is now feeling thankful for Chris after all this b*ll*cks with Odemwhingie?

He's the model modern professional. Perhaps we're seeing the reasons he's club captain.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 28, 2013, 12:56:59 PM
He's the model modern professional. Perhaps we're seeing the reasons he's club captain.


He should get a round of applause.Whats his shirt number :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 28, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
Am I the only one who is now feeling thankful for Chris after all this b*ll*cks with Odemwhingie?
hmm take Pete out of it and the attitude of the rest isn't so bad...Brunt doesn't deserve booing but fail to see why he is anymore of a model professional than most of our squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 28, 2013, 10:20:29 PM
What about Baggie Bird?? Where does he come in the pecking order of loyalty? :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on February 12, 2013, 12:17:59 AM
Superb ball in for McAuley's goal. His set piece deliveries are invaluable to us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2013, 12:20:29 AM
Superb ball in for McAuley's goal. His set piece deliveries are invaluable to us.

If it had been Gerrard, Beckham, Bale people would have been raving about it. He remains a wonderful footballer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on February 12, 2013, 12:30:10 AM
We are second in the country to Man Utd for goals scored from deadball situations and a lot of that is due in no uncertain terms to Brunts delivery.......BUT........he has to start contributing more to games for me. His contribution to open play is almost non-existant
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ross on February 12, 2013, 01:00:51 AM
Best dead ball delivery in the team.

But offers nothing else. We had our great run at the start of the season without him.

Replaceable
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliewestbrom on February 12, 2013, 01:21:25 AM
On top of his corners, I thought his defensive work was top notch and his passing decent, came under pressure and lost the ball in dangerous areas a few times but thought he was really good tonight.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2013, 01:28:33 AM
Moved out to the left and best performances of the season have followed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 12, 2013, 02:23:37 AM
On top of his corners, I thought his defensive work was top notch and his passing decent, came under pressure and lost the ball in dangerous areas a few times but thought he was really good tonight.

I agree. I also loved how he chewed out the ref after that joke of a penalty call. Brunty was so angry, showed his passion. Brunty's 'poor' contribution had more to do with our game plan, we simply didn't commit men forward or had the attackers make telling runs even. Brunty and Dorrans had no one to play the ball to really. We were so focused on keeping our shape and not losing men football became the second objective until we brought Lukaku on. Brunty, like the rest of our outfield players, closed down really well, something we have failed to do all winter apart from the last two games. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on February 12, 2013, 02:35:55 AM
He can't be picked on dead ball delivery alone.  Otherwise, on that basis, David Beckham could still be playing at 50 and do nothing other than take free kicks and corners!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 12, 2013, 02:41:50 AM
He can't be picked on dead ball delivery alone.  Otherwise, on that basis, David Beckham could still be playing at 50 and do nothing other than take free kicks and corners!
I think I'm right in saying he's got 5 assists from open play, add to that his dead ball assists and two goals. add that we have scored most of our goals from crosses and headers and he comes over as kind of useful.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 12, 2013, 02:41:52 AM
He can't be picked on dead ball delivery alone.  Otherwise, on that basis, David Beckham could still be playing at 50 and do nothing other than take free kicks and corners!

He isn't of course.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on February 12, 2013, 03:05:27 AM
Moved out to the left and best performances of the season have followed.

Very true, he needs to stay there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinger1968 on February 12, 2013, 07:19:48 AM
I think he's responded very well to the criticism that he received when he was having a poor run a few games ago. He's put in some good solid performances recently....and he always has been a better player in the second half of the season for some reason. No doubt if he was brilliant all season then he'd probably not be playing for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 12, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
I didnt think that he had a great game last night, but a great corner for the Mcauley goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2013, 08:23:59 AM
I thought he drifted inside too often which left Ridgewell a little exposed at times.
All in all a better defensive performance than creative attacking one.
If I'd been offere a 2-0 win before kick off I'd have snapped a hand off
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2013, 08:26:53 AM
Could easily have come off instead of Dorrans last night , far too often he left Ridgewell exposed but on the other hand he is always a danger at set pieces . Much better out wide than in the middle i must say.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on February 12, 2013, 08:45:34 AM
Needs to be consistent throughout games not just set pieces
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: royhan on February 12, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
I think we've seen the best of Brunt. He has now become a squad player rather than a first team regular.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 12, 2013, 09:18:37 AM
I think we've seen the best of Brunt. He has now become a squad player rather than a first team regular.
I think this is more a case of we have better players now in Yacob and Mulumbu, than Brunt being passed it. For me he is our best wide player still and wasted in the middle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 12, 2013, 01:31:08 PM
The good news: great ball in for the goal.

The bad news: more attrocious defending. He gave Ridgewell no protection whatsoever. Johnson and Downing were contstantly doubling up on Ridgewell and running riot and where was Brunt? He was in position but just standing off them and watching whilst finger points at others. When not doing that  he instead concentrated on bizzarely chasing down Peipa Reina (which left a huge gap on our left side). He's other magic abilility is to play in centre midfield (and thus leave a huge gap) even when he's supposed to in front of Ridgwell on the left wing! All that does is leave us lop-sided and he ends up getting in the way of Mulumbu and Yacob.

We are all delighted with the result last night but he's defensive performance was a complete liability. Thankfully we were saved by a combination of heroic defending from McCauley and Foster and plain old good luck (with the Reid OG incident). On another night we could have lost 3-0.

We cannot have a system where the opposition full back can run up the pitch and leave us 2 against 1 on our left side. It's not on and I'm not happy with his lack of defensive discipline. It's makes my especially angry when I think of the outstanding effort and concentration from his team mates.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2013, 02:39:35 PM
I thought he drifted inside too often which left Ridgewell a little exposed at times.
All in all a better defensive performance than creative attacking one.
If I'd been offere a 2-0 win before kick off I'd have snapped a hand off

He did tend to drift inside too much at times, seemed to get a doing from Morrison for it more than once and went straight back out afterwards
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lickey baggies on February 12, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
Oh it must be bruntys turn again to get stick!!!, totally understand that we all have got an  opinion but cant we applaud a great victory.
And to all the baggies that made the trip last night i applaud you as the commentator said "all you can hear is the clattering of empty seats" quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2013, 03:05:29 PM
Oh it must be bruntys turn again to get stick!!!, totally understand that we all have got an  opinion but cant we applaud a great victory.
And to all the baggies that made the trip last night i applaud you as the commentator said "all you can hear is the clattering of empty seats" quality.

Where's he getting stick ?

The point of a forum is to discuss various things which is what is being done in this and other topics.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 12, 2013, 03:13:41 PM
No real stick that I can see just observations that he was drifting inside too much.

I like that he wants to get on the ball and get involved but he must stay a little more disciplined to his position to help out more when we don't have the ball. Needs to pick and choose the times he drifts inside more carefully.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 12, 2013, 03:26:35 PM
I would agree with the drifting inside too much comment.

With the pace of Downing, and Enrique, you would assume they would have looked to target Reid in term of lack of pace.

However it constantly came down their right flank, were at times Ridgewell was left 2 on 1.

Thought Brunt did drift inside quite alot last night, but lets not take anything away from the team performance.

It was also Brunts corner which led to the 1st goal.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on February 12, 2013, 03:54:55 PM
Another assist again last night,thats all he does,score and assist.  ;)

I bet we will be stuck with him again next season.  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
I thought Brunt had a much better game last night than usual. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 13, 2013, 05:58:29 PM
Brunt certianly had a better game, than what he has done in previous weeks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on February 14, 2013, 11:17:32 PM
I thought he drifted inside too often which left Ridgewell a little exposed at times.
All in all a better defensive performance than creative attacking one.
If I'd been offere a 2-0 win before kick off I'd have snapped a hand off

Could easily have come off instead of Dorrans last night , far too often he left Ridgewell exposed but on the other hand he is always a danger at set pieces . Much better out wide than in the middle i must say.

No real stick that I can see just observations that he was drifting inside too much.

I like that he wants to get on the ball and get involved but he must stay a little more disciplined to his position to help out more when we don't have the ball. Needs to pick and choose the times he drifts inside more carefully.

just a sample Oldbury......................now where's my WW1 tin hat gone?.... ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: chipperclark on February 14, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
 :D He has been doing a good job...lately....we should get off his back...at least he plays for our shirt and puts it in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 15, 2013, 01:01:11 AM
just a sample Oldbury......................now where's my WW1 tin hat gone?.... ;D

I don't see any of that as stick, its observations on a performance 

No coincidence that he's primarily back out wide and his performances are much better  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on February 15, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
I don't see any of that as stick, its observations on a performance 

No coincidence that he's primarily back out wide and his performances are much better  ;)

Either way its good to see him coming back to something like the form we have come to expect. Heart and Soul of WBA he is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2013, 05:37:40 PM
I agree, at his best, he is a match winner, always interesting that ex footballer and manager pundits always single him out as a talent, says a lot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 15, 2013, 06:23:14 PM
I agree, at his best, he is a match winner, always interesting that ex footballer and manager pundits always single him out as a talent, says a lot.

Aye, he looks fitter now and flaps less than before. The more he concentrates on letting his football do the talking, rather than his flapping, the better he is. Simple really isn't it. There is so much football in Brunty, I think he is still a way from reaching his full potential.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 15, 2013, 11:09:16 PM
I really don't think we have seen Burnt at his real best yet. There have been times when he has been excellent for us, but I still feel that he can get better. A lot of pundits do talk about Brunt saying how good he is. He may not always have th ebest of games, but he will do something either create or score a goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on February 15, 2013, 11:15:52 PM
Get him on the ball high up the middle of the pitch and he becomes a totally different player. Brunty NEVER hides even when things are going badly for him or the team. Its the players like him and mozza that are the reason we have done so well recently.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 15, 2013, 11:24:40 PM
Brunt has always been a solid player for us and in my view, aged 28 has matured into the footballer he promised to be.

After several seasons in the top flight, he's proven to be a consistently good player. However, he is clearly much better on the wing than in the middle. Funnily enough Morrison, who has been great for us this season also got stick when played out of position (see the pattern here? It's not rocket science).

Is Brunt a world beater? No way, but he is loyal, skilled and clearly good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on February 15, 2013, 11:31:17 PM
I'm probably on of his biggest critics and tend to focus on the negatives with him but I thought he was top notch against Liverpool and when you watch a season review you notice just how important and involved he is in a lot of our goals. I like the midfield three of brunt Dorrans and mozza shame Dorrans could go in summer as with yacob and mulumbu we could see some real consistency next season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on February 17, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
I'm probably on of his biggest critics and tend to focus on the negatives with him but I thought he was top notch against Liverpool and when you watch a season review you notice just how important and involved he is in a lot of our goals. I like the midfield three of brunt Dorrans and mozza shame Dorrans could go in summer as with yacob and mulumbu we could see some real consistency next season

Well said about watching back games and seeing Brunt's contributions. People give him stick throughout games but they don't realise how many key passes, crosses etc he actually makes in games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mourinhos Number 2 on February 24, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
I agree that he's a great player and has done well for us over the years.

But I do wonder, is he good enough for us? I mean, to me he always seems a yard off the pace, to slow to track back and doesn't get on the touchline enough for me. I wince when he drifts inside, it really worries as we saw yesterday, he loses the ball far too often and Sessegnon caught him out time and time again.

I don't think we're a better team with him, I'd much prefer Thomas on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on February 24, 2013, 07:19:10 PM
i only saw football first yesterday but i thought he played like a man posessed, he looked great he's really winning me over, and since when? since he moved to the left
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on February 24, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
i only saw football first yesterday but i thought he played like a man posessed,

He really did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 24, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
the oen thing that annoys me about Brunt is his tracking bakc is a bit show at times.

His game has improved so much after he stopped flapping about so much. If I were Clarke I'd have Brunty pay a small 'fine' every time he did that on the pitch. I only saw him do it once against Sunderland where instead of chasing down the Sunderland player that got the ball after a failed play Brunty started to flap, this flapping in turn gave the Sunderland player the time to start a dangerous counter attack. If Brunty had been switched on instead of flapping he'd have had a chance to take the sting out of the counter... Besides that minor gripe it's pleasing to see Brunty finding form again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wbamitch on February 24, 2013, 09:38:33 PM
Not his biggest fan but i have to say he has impressed me since the fulham incident, today being the best performance i have seen from him for quite a while.

Looked composed on the ball and was definately a factor in help making us tick, certainly warranting his place in the team at the moment.

Real pleasing to see  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on February 25, 2013, 09:27:36 PM
Not his biggest fan but i have to say he has impressed me since the fulham incident, today being the best performance i have seen from him for quite a while.

Looked composed on the ball and was definately a factor in help making us tick, certainly warranting his place in the team at the moment.

Real pleasing to see  :D

Agree totally mitch. He was superb on saturday. When he orchestrates offensively from the central position he is right up there with the best in the PL. And his workrate in getting back to cover the left side defensively was also commendable. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Barrington on March 10, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
The work-rate of brunt sometimes goes unnoticed. He covers a good amount of ground, he's not afraid to get stuck in, and covers his full-back well. As well as this he's got very good attributes in attacking situations. Always pleased to see him in our starting 11.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on March 10, 2013, 12:50:06 AM
He had a good game today. To play Albion's fluent passing football you need players who have the football intelligence and touch to do it, and Chris has that. Albion played some excellent football today of which Chris was very much part of. He also has a fierce left foot volley. My main criticism is that most of his shots end up in Row Z,  as did his shot today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adamstv on March 10, 2013, 10:33:52 AM
My main criticism is that most of his shots end up in Row Z,  as did his shot today.

Didn't when it counted against the vile!!! But know what you are saying and agree
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on March 10, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
Brunt played well but I wish he would stop blaming other players when he makes a bad pass, just hold his hand up to say sorry not shrug his shoulders and blame someone else which he did a few times yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on March 10, 2013, 11:51:56 AM
Brunt played well yesterday, it's so much more reassuring to see him on the left where he belongs. My only minor gripe was when he kicked the ball staight out of play and then starting shouting at Ridgewell! But seriously it's good to see his work rate and quality back to what it should be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 10, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
Seems to be the same over the last 3 years, I spend half the season complaining about his inconsistency, lack of defensive capabilities, quarter of the season seeing improvement and usually the last quarter saying that he is a good player well worth keeping

It's easy to see why he divides opinions

Just why can't he play more consistently throughout the season - coaching, attitude, why?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 10, 2013, 12:26:03 PM
I suppose every season he seems to be injured so its only when he is fully fit that he is in better form.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jonny on March 10, 2013, 12:42:52 PM
Had to do a lot of covering with ill disciplined ridgewell slowly jogging back after bombing forward like a loose canon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wbamitch on March 10, 2013, 01:40:17 PM
The type of game that you wouldn't expect to suit him but he did a great job yesterday, his performances of late have certainly warranted his place in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 10, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
Had to do a lot of covering with ill disciplined ridgewell slowly jogging back after bombing forward like a loose canon.

I wanted Ridgewell to overlap Brunts at times Yesterday which he wasnt doing enough off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on March 10, 2013, 08:25:36 PM
Brunty is right back to his best form. yes he lets the odd pass go astray but thats because he has the creativity and bol........ks to try it in the first place. IMO we always look a better team when he is in it simply because he never he never hides. Also for me Jimmy Mo always plays better when he is in the side. These two seem to have a really good chemistry. Our midfield was great yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 27, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/brunt-backs-step-by-step-approach-882419.aspx

Skipper tips Baggies to again get it right in transfer market

CHRIS Brunt believes the Baggies’ step-by-step approach to strengthening their Barclays Premier League squad remains the right direction.

Since arriving at The Hawthorns in summer 2007 the Baggies skipper has seen the club gradually rise from the Championship to eighth in the top flight last season.

And he has tipped Albion to get it right in the transfer market again this summer.

“We’ve gone about things steadily and not done anything major too quickly,” said the Northern Ireland international.

“We’ve just built every season and things have improved, and I’d say that’s the best way to do it for a club of our size.

“Everybody wants success as quickly as possible but it’s not just about the football pitch.

“There’s a lot more to the club than just us on a Saturday, and it’s a well-run club for the size of it and the attendances we’ve got.

“The way we do things is definitely the right way for a club of our size.

“It’s all very well throwing a lot of money at it but if it all goes wrong you end up down in the Championship with debt.

“We have seen a lot of teams go back down, struggle financially and not be able to get back up again.

“Since I’ve been here we’ve been down once but we went down knowing we were going to be strong in the Championship and now we’ve come up and established ourselves in the Premier League again."

He added: “No disrespect to anyone that’s been here, but the quality of players here has stepped up as the seasons have gone on and I’m sure that will be no different next season.

“Every summer is big, especially for a club of our size.

“Every summer players move on and the club have to be smart in their decision-making, but in my time here they have done that.

“I’m sure they’ll make the right decisions this year.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/brunt-backs-step-by-step-approach-882419.aspx#UXSFszQ7KXZamoTy.99

Anyone else think we are doing really well?.................for a club our size  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on June 27, 2013, 06:32:06 PM
We sell some decent pies for a club of our size.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 27, 2013, 06:55:10 PM
We sell some decent pies for a club of our size.

The Albion, whoaaa!
The Albion, whoaaa!
We sell some decent pies
For a club our size



 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 27, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Chris Brunt in 'Captain tows the party line shocker' !!!

Mind you, you'd expect that for a club OF OUR SIZE ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on June 27, 2013, 09:43:42 PM
Chris Brunt in 'Captain tows the party line shocker' !!!

Mind you, you'd expect that for a club OF OUR SIZE ;)

Captain throws toys out the pram 'I wan't us to spend more, More, MORE!!!'
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
I genuinely think we have a massive decision to make on Brunt soon. He's 28 and has 2 years left on his current contract. (1+1)

If we were thinking of selling him it would either be now or next season.

On the face of it he is someone we could receive a transfer fee for. I think he brings a lot to the team spirit and doesn't moan when out the team. But I think our progress has surpassed Brunt.

We may need to sell a Brunt which allows us to re-invest. Sometimes familiarity can breed contempt. He's been her for 6 years - on one hand I genuinely like we have a 'core' who have been here for quite awhile. I'm thinking of Morrison, Dorrans, Olsson and Mulumbu.

But we may have to sell one to freshen things up.

This may come across as a criticism of Brunt -it's far from it - he has been a wonderful servant for WBA.

What do others think?

EDIT: Just checked on Official site.

CHRIS Brunt penned a new three-year contract, plus a further year's option in the club's favour in August 2011.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=269090&tcmuri=41483#XkegSkGAUJ1OCcUy.99
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on August 28, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
Biggest surprise about that is he is only 28, i thought he was early 30's!

I like Brunt but i think he is probably a very useful squad player, rather than an important first team player like he was a few years ago. I think certain games suit him better than others and that left foot when used correct offers something nobody in the else squad does.

For that i would not look to sell him unless we have somebody better to replace him, that goes for all our squad though.

I think our signings so far arent really going to affect Brunt too much, his role in the squad remains the same but if we stay in the Premiership again and keep looking to progress i would think this time next year then Brunt along with a couple of others may look to be replaced, all part of the squad evolving!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on August 28, 2013, 05:55:10 PM
Championship player.Thanks for the good times chris
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2013, 06:05:37 PM
Championship player.Thanks for the good times chris
He's also consistently one of the highest assist makers in the team. When you consider last year was a "bad" season for him, he still got 10 assists in all competitions (7 in the league, Morrison was top with 8 ) which isn't bad at all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dangerman on August 28, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
We had captain sideways with greening here we have captain backwards.

Lovely bloke, model pro but we have out grown him!

Not a brunt fan and would lose no sleep should we sell him!

If I was to describe him in one word, it would be 'meh'!

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: pete on August 28, 2013, 07:01:54 PM
Did we not have the chance of him or Bale and opted for Chrissy?

Model pro and is useful! Keep him as I cant see us signing anyone this season better!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
A great servant and a very good squad player. However I agree with the poster above, we have outgrown him. Start of last season we looked great and it was no coincidence that he wasn't in the starting 11. Slows the game down far too much for my liking.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
I genuinely think we have a massive decision to make on Brunt soon. He's 28 and has 2 years left on his current contract. (1+!1.

If we were thinking of selling him it would either be now or next season.

On the face of it he is someone we could receive a transfer fee for. I think he brings a lot to the team spirit and doesn't moan when out the team. But I think our progress has surpassed Brunt.

We may need to sell a Brunt which allows us to re-invest. Sometimes familiarity can breed contempt. He's been her for 6 years - on one hand I genuinely like we have a 'core' who have been here for quite awhile. I'm thinking of Morrison, Dorrans, Olsson and Mulumbu.

But we may have to sell one to freshen things up.

This may come across as a criticism of Brunt -it's far from it - he has been a wonderful servant for WBA.

What do others think?

EDIT: Just checked on Official site.

CHRIS Brunt penned a new three-year contract, plus a further year's option in the club's favour in August 2011.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=269090&tcmuri=41483#XkegSkGAUJ1OCcUy.99

Of the core you mention Dorrans is the obvious one to sell (reason being he's not a core player). Not our captain, best passer, best set piece taker, highest chance creator. At 28 he is coming into his peak years. Would be absolutely crazy to sell.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 08:10:11 PM
Of the core you mention Dorrans is the obvious one to sell (reason being he's not a core player). Not our captain, best passer, best set piece taker, highest chance creator. At 28 he is coming into his peak years. Would be absolutely crazy to sell.

If he is as highly thought by the club - any reasons as to why there has been no talk of extending his contract? You tend to find we start discussing deals when entering their final year.  I say this, because to my knowledge it hasn't been reported.

Would any club, in your words, let ther 'captain, best passer, best set piece taker and highest chance creator' enter their final year? (I exclude the +1 as that is in our favour).

The club may have the view - we have seen his "best" years. From 22-28. Is he regressing? Does he need to modify his game to fit into Clarke's set up?
I personally view his best position wide right and drifting in to find pockets of space.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
If he is as highly thought by the club - any reasons as to why there has been no talk of extending his contract? You tend to find we start discussing deals when entering their final year.  I say this, because to my knowledge it hasn't been reported.

Would any club, in your words, let ther 'captain, best passer, best set piece taker and highest chance creator' enter their final year? (I exclude the +1 as that is in our favour).

The club may have the view - we have seen his "best" years. From 22-28. Is he regressing? Does he need to modify his game to fit into Clarke's set up?
I personally view his best position wide right and drifting in to find pockets of space.

What makes you think we haven't opened talks because the player doesn't want to? I would expect movement on this in January. Brunt cannot talk to other clubs until January 2015 under this contract. There is no rush.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 08:19:14 PM
What makes you think we haven't opened talks because the player doesn't want to? I would expect movement on this in January. Brunt cannot talk to other clubs until January 2015 under this contract. There is no rush.

Ok. So you're of the opinion we wish to offer him a new deal - but Brunt doesn't wish to? Obviously it's all guesswork on our side. I haven't seen it reported anywhere. The talk in the Summer was extending the deals of Mulumbu, McAuley and Long. I find it difficult to believe that Brunt would decline - as most likely we'd be offering slightly higher terms or a more secure longer term contract on his current terms. Who would decline that? I'm sure he'd love the security.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:59 PM
Ok. So you're of the opinion we wish to offer him a new deal - but Brunt doesn't wish to? Obviously it's all guesswork on our side. I haven't seen it reported anywhere. The talk in the Summer was extending the deals of Mulumbu, McAuley and Long. I find it difficult to believe that Brunt would decline - as most likely we'd be offering slightly higher terms or a more secure longer term contract on his current terms. Who would decline that? I'm sure he'd love the security.

Yet he'll be a Bosman aged 30 in 2015 and would have the pick of 15 or 16 Premier League sides. Make no mistake how highly rated this guy is as both a player and a professional within the game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2013, 08:38:19 PM
Yet he'll be a Bosman aged 30 in 2015 and would have the pick of 15 or 16 Premier League sides. Make no mistake how highly rated this guy is as both a player and a professional within the game.

That suggests the likes of Spurs or Liverpool. I cannot for the life of me see any of those clubs being interested especially when he's 30. In fact I don't recall any real interest in him since he's been here. Have we ever turned any bids away for him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 08:47:12 PM
That suggests the likes of Spurs or Liverpool. I cannot for the life of me see any of those clubs being interested especially when he's 30. In fact I don't recall any real interest in him since he's been here. Have we ever turned any bids away for him?

We wouldn't sell for less than ten million. Out of contract he'd be free. It's not rocket science really.

Also not sure why you think his age would be a problem. At 30 his engine will be just as good as it is now and it's not as if his pace will deteriorate...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on August 28, 2013, 08:52:34 PM
We wouldn't sell for less than ten million. Out of contract he'd be free. It's not rocket science really.

Also not sure why you think his age would be a problem. At 30 his engine will be just as good as it is now and it's not as if his pace will deteriorate...

Im sorry but do you believe the stuff you write or just write the most exaggerated things possible to try and get your opinion across. I mean I guarantee you if someone put a 5million bid in for Brunt I dont think any of the coaching staff, the board or the chairman would even have to think about it. It would be the easiest bid accepted in transfer history and I haven't really a problem with Brunt. That 10m is laughable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 08:59:53 PM
Yet he'll be a Bosman aged 30 in 2015 and would have the pick of 15 or 16 Premier League sides. Make no mistake how highly rated this guy is as both a player and a professional within the game.

I have no doubt he is respected as professional. He seems a likeable person who is a good representative. I genuinely like Brunt and think he has been a very good servant for WBA. As a player, I believe previous Head Coaches have tried to modify his game to play more centrally.
For me, and this is only my opinion, he lacks that something when he starts centrally. It's different starting wide and drifting inside.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
Im sorry but do you believe the stuff you write or just write the most exaggerated things possible to try and get your opinion across. I mean I guarantee you if someone put a 5million bid in for Brunt I dont think any of the coaching staff, the board or the chairman would even have to think about it. It would be the easiest bid accepted in transfer history and I haven't really a problem with Brunt. That 10m is laughable.

I think what you're saying is laughable fella. We rejected 6 million for Dorrans. However you want to try and spin it we would not sell a man with 6 years Premier League experience, encompassing 130 PL appearances and one of the best assists records outside the top six clubs for less than 8 figures.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
Out of interest, what are his figures Jacko?

PL appearances, goals scored, assists and chances created. Would be interesting to view,
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
Yet he'll be a Bosman aged 30 in 2015 and would have the pick of 15 or 16 Premier League sides. Make no mistake how highly rated this guy is as both a player and a professional within the game.
I have to ask, when did he last have a storming or even really good game ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 09:13:55 PM
I'd just like to add I would say I've been slightly disappointed that Brunt has failed to develop into a central midfielder. I look at Schwinsteiger, for example (not saying Brunt is of the same ability), but he evolved from a winger into a deep-lying playmaker. Brunt has the attributes for a similar role. But I believe he lacks something. I wouldn't say tactical discipline. As he is an intelligent footballer. Maybe that mobility? His languid running style gives a perceived impression he doesn't "work hard" - but I disagree with that notion.

My overall point is some players at a level like us - can become comfortable, hence why I said maybe the club would look to sell - as he is a saleable asset and one the club can point to where we made a profit and utilised him for 'x' number of years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 28, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
I have to ask, when did he last have a storming or even really good game ?

Aston Villa, at Home. His second half performance was excellent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2013, 09:17:47 PM
Out of interest, what are his figures Jacko?

PL appearances, goals scored, assists and chances created. Would be interesting to view,

130 matches, approx 1 in 3.5 assists. Maybe 20 goals. Couldn't tell you how many chances created though. This is Premier League only and includes a relegation season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2013, 09:23:07 PM
My view is it's time he moved on, with thanks for the good things he's done for us, as I think we can do better without a significant outlay.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
Out of interest, what are his figures Jacko?

PL appearances, goals scored, assists and chances created. Would be interesting to view,
Can't give you chances created but:-
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/chris-brunt/leistungsdaten/spieler_36814_gesamt.html

And I believe in the 6 full seasons he's been here he's been the top assist maker three times (2nd the other three) and his average iin the PL is 7 assists a season, highest is 11, lowest is 2 ( 2008/09, got nine goals though!)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Can't give you chances created but:-
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/chris-brunt/leistungsdaten/spieler_36814_gesamt.html

And I believe in the 6 full seasons he's been here he's been the top assist maker three times (2nd the other three) and his average iin the PL is 7 assists a season, highest is 11, lowest is 2 ( 2008/09, got nine goals though!)
As the most regular taker of set pieces over that period he's bound to be right up there on assists.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
As the most regular taker of set pieces over that period he's bound to be right up there on assists.
It hasn't exactly bloated Dorrans assist rate has it? But anyway there's a reason we garnered a reputation for being deadly at set pieces!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 28, 2013, 10:13:39 PM
I like Brunt and i do think we maybe take him for granted especially his corners. That said i can't remember the last time he put 2 or 3  good games together , granted he has had his fair share of injuries and bad luck but for me Brunt hasn't matched his top flight season under Mowbray in which he starred.
For such a good passer of the ball he isn't dictating play as he could and i suspect that's due to drifting in the middle too much for my liking , this IMO is a big season for Brunt and i hope to see him kick on and maybe even hit the target with a free kick or two!.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 10:20:26 PM
It hasn't exactly bloated Dorrans assist rate has it? But anyway there's a reason we garnered a reputation for being deadly at set pieces!!
The frustration is for that for someone with such a famed left foot, how many times has he hit the target or had the keeper scrambling since his goal at Goodison 2 years ago ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 28, 2013, 10:54:11 PM
Brunt has lost his way a bit ever since Hodgson. Our attack is far less dynamic since then and he has been asked to play deeper and deeper. Push him further up the pitch and/or develop a more possession based, dynamic attack and he would flourish again. Our current style with less interaction between players, simple balls down the channels, counter attack with pace, and no real target man up top ('hoof it to Long' football doesn't count)/few crosses into the box isn't exactly Brunt football.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 12:47:47 AM
Just watched the highlights on The League Cup Show Brunt started the moves for all three goals last night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2013, 10:38:16 AM
Can't remember who was involved in the first off the top of my head and have not seen it again. Second the important pass came from Dorrans who received the ball from Sinclair so not sure how far back we're going to claim an assist on that one and the third was a penalty, yes Brunt took the corner but the 'assist' was from a Newport player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: phbaggies on August 29, 2013, 10:41:30 AM
Can't remember who was involved in the first off the top of my head and have not seen it again. Second the important pass came from Dorrans who received the ball from Sinclair so not sure how far back we're going to claim an assist on that one and the third was a penalty, yes Brunt took the corner but the 'assist' was from a Newport player.
Sinclair put him through for the first goal with a nice little touch
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 11:13:27 AM
Can't remember who was involved in the first off the top of my head and have not seen it again. Second the important pass came from Dorrans who received the ball from Sinclair so not sure how far back we're going to claim an assist on that one and the third was a penalty, yes Brunt took the corner but the 'assist' was from a Newport player.

Didn't mention the word assist. He started all 3 moves. That is a fact.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2013, 11:25:48 AM
So how far do we go back for a move to be started ? Daniels in goal ? Jones throw in ?

First goal assist - Sinclair. 2nd goal assist - Dorrans. 3rd goal assist - Newport defender. In your words  -Fact.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on August 29, 2013, 11:45:39 AM
Didn't mention the word assist. He started all 3 moves. That is a fact.

This is just getting ridiculous now. How about the tea lady who provided the pre-game drinks; does she get an assist too?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 29, 2013, 11:47:29 AM
So if Brunt is warming up as a sub, the ball goes out of play & he picks it up & gives it to the thrower & we score from that move, technically isn't that an assist for Brunty?  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 29, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
I find Brunt very frustrating; a so called wide player who doesn't want to stay out wide. I struggle to remember him having many good games over the last few seasons. I thought he did well against villa last season when he went into a defensive role...but I wouldn't want to see him play there regularly.

I think, certainly in the last 2 seasons our best runs have come when he hasn't been a regular in the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 29, 2013, 12:37:14 PM
I find Brunt very frustrating; a so called wide player who doesn't want to stay out wide. I struggle to remember him having many good games over the last few seasons. I thought he did well against villa last season when he went into a defensive role...but I wouldn't want to see him play there regularly.

I think, certainly in the last 2 seasons our best runs have come when he hasn't been a regular in the side.

Nobody knows if it's him who want to come inside or whether he is told to. I don't think 3 managers would let him do it over numerous seasons so I think it's something he is told tactically to do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 29, 2013, 12:37:40 PM
The days of a conventional winger (same as a goal poacher) are coming to an end. As long ball is seen as prehistoric and rightfully so. Now the English convention of 4-4-2 (and even 4-4-1-1) with wingers getting to the byline to whip in crosses (or as Beckham and Brunt did it, by whipping balls around the full back) is dying also.

Brunt needs to find his place in the latest fashionable formations that are played. Initially I fel his best position is on the right wing as an opposing winger in a 4-2-3-1. But in a 4-3-3 he lacks the penetration to play as part of the front 3. So he is more suited to play on the left side of the midfield 3 as a playmaker, but his workrate and defensive capabilities are below the norm for a player in that position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 01:56:27 PM
So how far do we go back for a move to be started ? Daniels in goal ? Jones throw in ?

First goal assist - Sinclair. 2nd goal assist - Dorrans. 3rd goal assist - Newport defender. In your words  -Fact.

You are the only person who is talking about assists? I don't see what is difficult about it. Oh and the 3rd goal would go down as an assist to Dawson by the way.

My post highlights his importance to the team. He was the only player involved in the build up to all three goals.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2013, 02:10:41 PM
You are the only person who is talking about assists? I don't see what is difficult about it. Oh and the 3rd goal would go down as an assist to Dawson by the way.

My post highlights his importance to the team. He was the only player involved in the build up to all three goals.

Not sure what the 'difficult about it comment' is supposed to achieve.

I suggest we go through every goal we score to see where the first pass comes from to see who does what and when.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
Not sure what the 'difficult about it comment' is supposed to achieve.

I suggest we go through every goal we score to see where the first pass comes from to see who does what and when.

The difficult comment is because you have gone off on a complete tangent talking about assists quoting a post I made that did not allude to and certainly did not mention Brunt making assists on Tuesday night.

As an addendum to my last post, it means that Chris Brunt (from central midfield  ;)) has played a part in every goal we have scored this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2013, 02:29:32 PM
Not gone off on a tangent at all. As I and others have pointed out how far are we going back to claim that someone started a move ? Daniels throwing a ball out, Jones taking a throw in etc etc , can we then look at where Brunt got the ball from to 'start' the move ?

I respect your opinion about Brunt as a central midfielder but don't agree with it. See no cheap shots, no insults.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 29, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
The difficult comment is because you have gone off on a complete tangent talking about assists quoting a post I made that did not allude to and certainly did not mention Brunt making assists on Tuesday night.

As an addendum to my last post, it means that Chris Brunt (from central midfield  ;)) has played a part in every goal we have scored this season.

Not gone off on a tangent at all. As I and others have pointed out how far are we going back to claim that someone started a move ? Daniels throwing a ball out, Jones taking a throw in etc etc , can we then look at where Brunt got the ball from to 'start' the move ?

I respect your opinion about Brunt as a central midfielder but don't agree with it. See no cheap shots, no insults.

Will you two just get a room  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2013, 02:37:24 PM
Only if I can wear my Dorrans pyjamas  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2013, 02:47:58 PM
This is just getting ridiculous now. How about the tea lady who provided the pre-game drinks; does she get an assist too?
shes in the Sun dream team (£1.5) apparently interest from West ham , stoke and QPR?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2013, 02:52:48 PM
Only if I can wear my Dorrans pyjamas  :D
No
When you wear them you are forced to dress to the left, sometimes to the right , occasionally through the middle , and whilst you try all night you still get moaned at about your performance. :D

Brunt should not EVER be central , I would suggest that the coach (previous coaches) recognise that he is or at least was our most creative force and therefore encouraged him to go find the ball = out of position and berated .
I would add that he can still do a job in the squad for us and is a useful player to have , however not a cert in the first 11.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on August 29, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
shes in the Sun dream team (£1.5) apparently interest from West ham , stoke and QPR?

Didn't she score more points than Rosenberg last season?



It's a joke before people jump in to lay into me!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2013, 03:00:17 PM
Didn't she score more points than Rosenberg last season?



It's a joke before people jump in to lay into me!
yes, she played up front with Robert Urn-shaw :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 29, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
Aston Villa, at Home. His second half performance was excellent.

And that was largely down to the fact that Villa camped themselves in their penalty area for the second half. In the first half, he was by-passed so easily by an energetic Villa midfield that it was borderline embarrassing.

I like Brunt but I do agree that we have out-grown him. I remember in our Mowbray season that he was a real shining light throughout that campaign -  that squad was quite poor, however, and could potentially have made him look better than he was - with a far greater midfield these days, is it plausible that this might be the case?

Brunt, like one of our forwards is often at times a hindrance, especially for a side that often relies on counter attacking - putting it simply, Brunt does not have the mobility or agility to start in those wide roles - it has often been Pete & Gera - and as he has proved, he's not good enough to fit into the centre for the same reasons - I do believe that in an urge to squeeze is undeniable good ball retention into the squad, we've made him a bit of a 'weakness' by trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

His statistics do read very well though, but how many of those come from open play? I would safely say that the majority of his statistics come through the set pieces he takes - I'm not saying this to derail Brunt either, but I just don't feel he offers enough from open play anymore and if an offer was to come along which would allow us room to freshen the squad, then I would like to think the club would look into it. He could change our minds however by offering more in open play and adding some goals (like he did under Mowbray) to his game but like one or two other players within the squad - they need to start contributing consistently otherwise they will soon become a hindrance and shall need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 30, 2013, 10:46:59 AM
Nobody knows if it's him who want to come inside or whether he is told to. I don't think 3 managers would let him do it over numerous seasons so I think it's something he is told tactically to do.

You may be right, however it seems strange to me that he would be asked to continually move inside and leave us unbalanced and without cover for the defender (which is what happens).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 30, 2013, 10:49:27 PM
You may be right, however it seems strange to me that he would be asked to continually move inside and leave us unbalanced and without cover for the defender (which is what happens).

It would seem that way because every manager has him down as one of the first names of the team sheet and if he was ignoring tactical instructions you would think this would hinder his chances with us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 01, 2013, 08:22:39 PM
I dont know why he didn't start or even come on today, he has the best delivery of set pieces in the squad and offers us more balance when he plays out wide, and also does more defensively too which was also a major problem for us today as Jones had to defend against to Swansea players for the whole game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on September 14, 2013, 08:57:50 PM
Back into the team where he belongs with a vital assist at a crucial time for us.

Brought balance and creativity to the midfield, much needed experienced head.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 14, 2013, 09:06:08 PM
I thought Brunt had a very good game today, really added the balance that we have missed in the first few games of the season. The free kick he had in the first half where he tried to trick Stockdale by thinking he was going to put it in the box wasn't to far from creeping in. I would have him in the starting eleven next week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2013, 09:06:26 PM
Not his biggest fan but I thought he did okay today at times back out wide where he should be, at others he was caught out of position and left us exposed. Great corner but we need serious work on set-pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 14, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Thats the problem with Brunt he does cut in a lot which leaves us exposed at times, and although he does have a very good left foot, some of his set pieces can be very poor.  I think now we have four players that can play out wide it will be interesting this season as to to how many games Brunt will play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 14, 2013, 09:39:27 PM
   We must be desperate if people are advocating Brunt for a permanent roll in the team did ok today but one corner doesn't make a summer.
  we all know where we are going to end up with Brunt in the side the Championship.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
   We must be desperate if people are advocating Brunt for a permanent roll in the team did ok today but one corner doesn't make a summer.
  we all know where we are going to end up with Brunt in the side the Championship.
again, why is it a nailed on failure to use the best assist maker we have? case in point today he was close from distance and tricked Stockdale at the free kick, both of which were only just wide, got the assist for our first goal and put the through ball in for Anichebe who should've scored.

What the team has struggled with has been creating opportunities, well we created more today, arguably because of Brunt and Amalfitano aswell.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 14, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
again, why is it a nailed on failure to use the best assist maker we have? case in point today he was close from distance and tricked Stockdale at the free kick, both of which were only just wide, got the assist for our first goal and put the through ball in for Anichebe who should've scored.

What the team has struggled with has been creating opportunities, well we created more today, arguably because of Brunt and Amalfitano aswell.
I think so.
We have not put pressure on the opposition that is why we have failed so far.
My worry is can our strikers finish? We will see?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2013, 10:54:47 PM
Thought he came in to his own once we opened the game up in the second half. Offered a lot more than Dorrans has in recent games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on September 14, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
Find it interesting that, for most, Brunt is one of those players they like to moan at (he was one of our best players today by the way) and yet they offer continual support for players like Dorrans who show absolutely no promise of being a premier league player - sometimes you get a glimpse and then he fades again.

I'm just saying, why has it always got to be Brunt who takes the stick? Phrases such as 'oh he was out of position today' are true and, yes he may have been! But what about our other players? Plenty of them get caught out of position as well and yet you seem to just push that aside and feast on your dislike of one of our most diligent, grounded and loyal players in Chris Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
I'd say Brunt is being talked about as its a topic about him and also the fact it was his first Prem start of the season today and he did well. The point I made about being out of position (not sure if others have so must be me you 're aiming it at ? ) is the fact it was more noticeable than others as it left the shocking Ridgewell even more exposed. (No i'm not joining the Ridgewell for new scapegoat bandwagon, just pointing out something I noticed). Brunt also gets criticised as he is one of the most frustrating players we have although not always down to him, today we had plenty of movement from Anichebe and Anelka plus on the other flank Amalfitano put over some cracking balls as well, something we've lacked recently.

Not sure why Dorrans gets dragged into it again (but yes I stick up for him so there you go) big topic about him if you wish to discuss him in that one.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=352.0
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 14, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
Great game today so credit where it's due , would politely ask him to only take the left sided corners though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 15, 2013, 01:02:54 AM
Great game today so credit where it's due , would politely ask him to only take the left sided corners though.
which reminds me, missed MOTD so cannot confirm but for the goal did Brunt take the corner with the outside of his foot?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on September 15, 2013, 02:08:39 AM
which reminds me, missed MOTD so cannot confirm but for the goal did Brunt take the corner with the outside of his foot?

Don't think so. Haven't seen it again but I thought he simply hit the ball differently than normal, more on the underside rather than straight through the ball to give a more floating and dipping trajectory with less side way spin. Sweet strike. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2013, 01:47:19 PM
During the lengthy stoppage just as the clock ticked to 90, Brunt had a long chat with G-Mac, so possibly something they hatched together.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
During the lengthy stoppage just as the clock ticked to 90, Brunt had a long chat with G-Mac, so possibly something they hatched together.

McAuley made a late run into the area so it seems something was planned. The thing people don't realise is that if we were to make a plan for a set piece then pretty much the only player in our squad who can put it into the exact area needed is Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 15, 2013, 01:58:03 PM
Brunt played in his natural position on the left side of midfield has his best game for a long while, strange that! :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2013, 01:59:14 PM
McAuley made a late run into the area so it seems something was planned. The thing people don't realise is that if we were to make a plan for a set piece then pretty much the only player in our squad who can put it into the exact area needed is Brunt.

Not really seeing as many of our set-pieces go way too long with no-one at the back, would be an idea for something to be done in training to try something different from time to time. You can put the ball into any area but if no-one attacks it then its wasted as we did with one in the first half which was in a perfect area between keeper and defender but no-one bothered to go for it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2013, 02:00:07 PM
Brunt played in his natural position on the left side of midfield has his best game for a long while, strange that! :-X

It was his best game since the two games away together at Blackburn and Newcastle couple of years ago when again he played on the left, as you say strange that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2013, 05:29:17 PM
Not really seeing as many of our set-pieces go way too long with no-one at the back, would be an idea for something to be done in training to try something different from time to time. You can put the ball into any area but if no-one attacks it then its wasted as we did with one in the first half which was in a perfect area between keeper and defender but no-one bothered to go for it.

We went through a period under Di Matteo and Hodgson where every time Brunt took a corner a signal was made as to what type of delivery he was aiming for.

I thought we were more dangerous than ever during this period from set pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2013, 06:16:09 PM
He was good yesterday and it begs the question why he hasn't featured in any of our previous games. Given our squad was weaker in our previous games, I saw opportunities for Chris Brunt limited but if he can replicate performances like yesterday he'll certainly start more games than many of us imagine. He provided a good balance to the side, used the ball effectively and when we needed his quality the most, he stood up and delivered.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 15, 2013, 09:34:22 PM
He was good yesterday and it begs the question why he hasn't featured in any of our previous games. Given our squad was weaker in our previous games, I saw opportunities for Chris Brunt limited but if he can replicate performances like yesterday he'll certainly start more games than many of us imagine. He provided a good balance to the side, used the ball effectively and when we needed his quality the most, he stood up and delivered.
Was he carrying an injury? At start?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
Was he carrying an injury? At start?

Not as far as I'm aware. He's been fit enough for the bench so I assume fit enough for first team selection.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
Not as far as I'm aware. He's been fit enough for the bench so I assume fit enough for first team selection.

He was injured for the final friendly of the season, so understandable he didn't play against Southampton, after that, no excuse for Clarke imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on September 15, 2013, 11:50:19 PM
Brunt is just a 'good' Premiership player, nothing more, nothing less really.

And at the moment he's one of our best players. Granted, he can be inconsistent and is fairly one-dimensional at times but he's also a lot better than the likes of Dorrans. He is an asset and should be used more often.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 16, 2013, 03:05:33 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/stat-attack-brunt-closing-in-on-mata-1057514.aspx

Deadball specialist continues to post outstanding figures

(http://www.wba.co.uk/cms_images/news/bruntstat151-1057496_478x359.jpg)

ALBION’S first Barclays Premier League goal of the season came late on to earn a point from a tough fixture at Craven Cottage at the weekend. Here, the statisticians over at WhoScored.com review Saturday's draw and the input of one standout performer in particular.

The relief was plain to see as Gareth McAuley and his Baggies team-mates celebrated an end to the team's 360 minute goal drought with an injury-time header to cancel out Steve Sidwell's earlier strike.

The Northern Ireland international has made a name for himself in the top flight as a serious threat from set-pieces, his sizeable frame and extraordinary leap giving him an advantage in the air over plenty of players he comes up against.

McAuley has become a favourite amongst fantasy football followers as a defender capable of scoring a goal or two, although while his ability in the air makes him a threat, he wouldn't get those chances if it was not for the delivery into the box of compatriot and Baggies skipper Chris Brunt.

Few in English football can boast significantly better ability from set-pieces than the midfielder, who put the corner in for McAuley's goal but also has a mean strike of his own from direct free-kicks.

Brunt leads Albion’s rankings for assists over the past four seasons with 20, a tally eight greater than any other Baggies player has managed, and which puts him in the top ten in the whole Premier League over that time frame, only 11 behind assist-leader David Silva (31).

A great deal of that success is a result of his fantastic technique and crosses into the danger area. In fact, only Chelsea's Juan Mata (9) has more assists from dead balls since the start of the 2010/11 Premier League season than Brunt (7).

He is way ahead of the likes of Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard (both 4), and is up there alongside Silva and Robin van Persie, all of whom have been playing for teams that have scored more goals than Albion in recent years.

His assist and overall performance on Saturday earned him a WhoScored rating of 7.6, the second best on the pitch behind Sidwell.

He was a constant menace for the whole match, creating three chances while also attempting four shots of his own, and his 57 touches made him once of the Baggies’ most involved players.

*WhoScored.com is a unique website and one of the fastest growing in the sports industry, specialising in the in-depth analysis of detailed football data. Provided with unique stats, they compile and create comprehensive analysis on the major European divisions, including live match stats and player ratings. Follow @WhoScored and their editor-in-chief @alitweedale on Twitter.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on September 16, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Excellent ammunition for his supporters
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 16, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
38 games in a season and those are based on the past 3 seasons so 114 games plus 4 from this season 118 games and the average  for Mata (if he played every game) is one every 13 games, when you consider how many free kicks and corners are taken during a game its a weapon that no club seems to exploit. Interesting to see Shorey on there as well.

I don't think anyone disputes that Brunt can put a good corner across or free-kick and as shown on Saturday in the right position is an asset, consistency from all players around seems to be the problem. Maybe if players attacked them more as McAuley did Saturday and as Andy Carroll showed how to do last season a bigger advantage could be taken from it.

Ignoring sub appearances then Brunts is on a par with Mata. Brunt has 99 starts in the time of those stats so 1 in every 14.14 games, Mata has 119 starts so 1 in every 13.22 games
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2013, 09:51:33 PM
If selected at Anfield tomorrow I feel its a big game for Chris, he needs to add more than corners and freekicks . I've no doubt he is capable of so much more but its now time to show it on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on October 26, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
After the game i know but Brunt should have played wide left today , goodness only knows what SC was thinking with Anichebe.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
After the game i know but Brunt should have played wide left today , goodness only knows what SC was thinking with Anichebe.

Have to agree  ;D

9 corners wasn't it? If Brunt takes all 9 then there is going to be a minimum of 2 clear chances created imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
After the game i know but Brunt should have played wide left today , goodness only knows what SC was thinking with Anichebe.

Well after he came on he ended up in the middle with Sessegnon out wide left, makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 26, 2013, 11:44:00 PM

Well after he came on he ended up in the middle with Sessegnon out wide left, makes no sense at all.

I agree that Brunt in the middle makes no sense, but I thought Sessegnon on the left was excellent. I think he should have started like that (Sessegnon, not Brunt).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on October 27, 2013, 08:35:21 AM
It is simple Clarke has to stop picking Centre Forwards as wide players. Berahino can play wide and maybe Vydra but the rest of our forwards cannot and Brunt who is a natural wide player has to be a better option.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on October 27, 2013, 09:22:09 AM
It is simple Clarke has to stop picking Centre Forwards as wide players. Berahino can play wide and maybe Vydra but the rest of our forwards cannot and Brunt who is a natural wide player has to be a better option.
I honestly thought we had moved on from playing players out of position  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on October 27, 2013, 10:47:21 AM
I wish he'd bring Brunt on instead of Morrison when he makes his sub, If only for his set-pieces, Must be tough when Anichebe gets picked ahead of you in your position. Clarke probably thinks he hasnt got the legs to go up and down the wing anymore. And with Morrison being Clarkes goto sub then Brunt will struggle for games when Sinclair is fit again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 01:27:43 PM
Keith Downing leaping to the defence of Chris Brunt.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-message-clear-6279578


Chris Brunt has been told to ignore the ‘moans and groans’ of hecklers and continue to impress his West Bromwich Albion team-mates and coaches.

The captain has become a divisive figure among some factions of supporters at The Hawthorns.

Brunt was booed during one game last season, against Fulham, and has yet to win back the support of some fans since then.

His inclusion against Crystal Palace on Saturday again prompted a mixed reaction, which was detected by Albion’s joint No.2 Keith Downing.

Brunt had a relatively productive game, playing a part in both of Albion’s goals – scored by Saido Berahino and Gareth McAuley.

He also performed well in his only other Premier League start, against Fulham in September.

Indeed, statistics show that of McAuley’s seven goals for Albion, six have been set up by his Northern Ireland team-mate.

And Downing is surprised by the apparent ill-feeling towards the influential skipper.

“He’s got pass-rates, he’s got assists, he’s a consummate pro, he leads the group and has a high regard within the group and he is experienced in terms of the position he plays,” said Downing.

“I suppose the formation, with the two holding midfielders, and us being more attack-minded in the wide areas, may have affected people’s perception?

“I don’t know whether they want to see wingers who will fly past somebody and Chris isn’t that, he’s an influence in the middle of the park who keeps things moving.

“His assists in terms of set-pieces and final plays – I think he set up Sessegnon and started the move on Saturday.

“I think he’s more of a player’s player than other people seeing it.

“No disrespect to the punters, but with the knowledge of football people, we know what value he brings.

“I don’t look at social media because I think you can get wrapped up in it, but we know the day-to-day running of things. He’s waited patiently, although he’s been frustrated, as you would be when you’re a regular for most of your time here.

“I got wind of it with the moans and groans when he put a stray pass in, but there were a lot of stray passes on Saturday. It was a scrappy game and wasn’t nice to watch. The weather didn’t help and the pitch didn’t play great, so there were lots of excuses but he is an important player to the group.

“He’s never thrown the towel in and he was one of our best players when he came in at Fulham.

“He’s had niggly injuries, which haven’t helped him.”

One of Brunt’s assets has been his ability to occupy several roles.

Signed as a left-winger by Tony Mowbray in 2007, Albion’s longest-serving outfield player has also been pressed into action on the right-flank and in central midfield, as well as in a deeper, holding role, during his spell at the club.

Downing added: “That is him in a nutshell.

“Sometimes when we look at things tactically we talk about shoring up one side, and we know that wingers aren’t always defence-minded and don’t always tuck themselves back in.

“But Chris gives that solidity to the team, wherever he is asked to play, whether it’s centrally or on the right, blocking up one side, he fulfils the role.

“The players respect that and the staff respect it and there’s never a problem for him within the group.”
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
It's a big problem that this has been noticed. Last thing we need is an us against them dynamic between players and supporters.

That said Brunt would start for me whenever available.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on November 07, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
I know he isn't a favourite amongst some fans but I don't think there was any more negativity towards his astray passes than anyone else on Saturday, in fact if anyone got moaned and groaned a lot at it was Morrison, who had an absolute nightmare of a game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 07, 2013, 02:20:06 PM
It's a big problem that this has been noticed. Last thing we need is an us against them dynamic between players and supporters.


Brunt is not the only example in terms of your 'them and us' reference. Lepkowski wrote last week how there is genuine bemusement and surprise among the coaching staff at the disapproval directed at Anelka thus far. A collective is at its strongest when all participants are pulling together and the last thing we want is our players having an almost siege mentality because of the negativity coming from our own ranks.  We should be as one.

We have finally reached a point where we have a fantastic premier league squad, 20+ players who are all more than capable of performing at this level consistently. A particular favourite might not be selected on any given week but behind that decision will be a clear and competent sense of reason. We have strong squad and in my opinion a highly qualified team of management/coaches, there record I believe should afford them the trust to select and arrange the team as they see fit without pessimism  . 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on November 07, 2013, 02:50:13 PM
It's a big problem that this has been noticed. Last thing we need is an us against them dynamic between players and supporters.

You're dead right that it's a problem and that it has been noticed. Clarke has made reference to players and fans being united in his programme notes recently.

I think it safe to assume that the players aren't happy with the attitude of some of our fans, hence these views emanating from the club.

I've been critical before, on here and other forums, of people who are overly critical and abusive toward particular players and been told "fans pay their money and it's their right to express their views".

No argument from me on that, but don't be surprised if the result is players getting hacked off with them and their mates getting in the neck while trying to do their jobs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 07, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Can we all stop having any critical views on our precious players please, what a load of tosh Mr Downing, maybe you would be best suited just doing the job you're paid for & not worry about what the fans think, I'm sure the players have somewhere between 20 & 40 thousand reasons not to take any notice of a bit of moaning, although I'm very rarely critical of players I reserve the right to do so if I see fit.

                                          Mountains & Molehills  >:(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 07, 2013, 05:15:50 PM
Can we all stop having any critical views on our precious players please, what a load of tosh Mr Downing, maybe you would be best suited just doing the job you're paid for & not worry about what the fans think, I'm sure the players have somewhere between 20 & 40 thousand reasons not to take any notice of a bit of moaning, although I'm very rarely critical of players I reserve the right to do so if I see fit.

                                          Mountains & Molehills  >:(
So does Downing, the players, the manager and the club as a whole. Just 'cause they are paid doesn't lose them the right to an opinion and it doesn't mean they have to just sit there and take abuse from some random guy whose only credential is paying for entry.. Try abusing the staff in a nightclub for example, see how long you last......
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 05:27:36 PM
Try abusing the staff in a nightclub for example, see how long you last......

I really don't see what that has to do with anything?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on November 07, 2013, 05:34:37 PM
Can we all stop having any critical views on our precious players please, what a load of tosh Mr Downing, maybe you would be best suited just doing the job you're paid for & not worry about what the fans think, I'm sure the players have somewhere between 20 & 40 thousand reasons not to take any notice of a bit of moaning, although I'm very rarely critical of players I reserve the right to do so if I see fit.

                                          Mountains & Molehills  >:(

Of course, folks are just going to say "they get paid big money", "they're grown men", "they should just get on with it".

At the same time though, they're people like the rest of us, and get hurt or distressed or depressed by external influences. When you're being jeered and booed I doubt that for a lot of them their bank balances matter when they hear the crowd on their backs.

I've been on a lot of management courses, lots of psychology training, lots of motivational training and so on, and you know what? I never, ever heard anyone say that constantly yelling abuse and telling someone they're rubbish would improve their performance.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 07, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
So does and the club as a whole. Just 'cause they are paid doesn't lose them the right to an opinion and it doesn't mean they have to just sit there and take abuse from some random guy whose only credential is paying for entry.. Try abusing the staff in a nightclub for example, see how long you last......

As employees of West Bromwich Albion, Downing, the players & the manager are paid very well to do their jobs, I'm sure they're job description isn't to tell us how the poor players feel for being moaned at, of course they have the right to an opinion but maybe its best kept in house.

Not sure where the word 'abuse' has come from & how do you know what credentials any random guy has? I know a STH with a Uefa B licence, don't see what abusing staff in a nightclub has to do with this debate. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 07, 2013, 05:49:37 PM
Of course, folks are just going to say "they get paid big money", "they're grown men", "they should just get on with it".

At the same time though, they're people like the rest of us, and get hurt or distressed or depressed by external influences. When you're being jeered and booed I doubt that for a lot of them their bank balances matter when they hear the crowd on their backs.

I've been on a lot of management courses, lots of psychology training, lots of motivational training and so on, and you know what? I never, ever heard anyone say that constantly yelling abuse and telling someone they're rubbish would improve their performance.

I agree 100% I believe in positivity to get the best out of people & as I said I'm very rarely critical but in my humble, its a football fans right to call it how he see's it & if that upsets a few precious pre madonna's then so be it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 07, 2013, 05:53:09 PM
Of course, folks are just going to say "they get paid big money", "they're grown men", "they should just get on with it".

At the same time though, they're people like the rest of us, and get hurt or distressed or depressed by external influences. When you're being jeered and booed I doubt that for a lot of them their bank balances matter when they hear the crowd on their backs.

I've been on a lot of management courses, lots of psychology training, lots of motivational training and so on, and you know what? I never, ever heard anyone say that constantly yelling abuse and telling someone they're rubbish would improve their performance.

I believe the simple truth is that the abusers just use the players as an excuse to vent their own emotional frustrations. The players are easy targets that cannot answer back really. Your quotes above are nothing more than rationalizations by the abusers to camouflage their own behaviour. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on November 07, 2013, 05:56:39 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the players need to grow a pair and just accept that its part of the job. Brunt seems to be doing just that so not sure why downing has come out with this.

Maybe footballers and the staff should come work in a secondary school for a while, on normal pay and see how they deal with having teenagers swear/shout abuse at them, knowing that there isn't a fat lot you can do about it. Perhaps then they would see the difference.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
As employees of West Bromwich Albion, Downing, the players & the manager are paid very well to do their jobs, I'm sure they're job description isn't to tell us how the poor players feel for being moaned at, of course they have the right to an opinion but maybe its best kept in house.

Not sure where the word 'abuse' has come from & how do you know what credentials any random guy has? I know a STH with a Uefa B licence, don't see what abusing staff in a nightclub has to do with this debate.

Agree with this.

Also detected a slight patronising sentence which is something else I don't like - a part from that, I do agree with what Downing has said, just wish he had kept his thoughts indoors.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on November 07, 2013, 06:00:05 PM
I agree 100% I believe in positivity to get the best out of people & as I said I'm very rarely critical but in my humble, its a football fans right to call it how he see's it & if that upsets a few precious pre madonna's then so be it.

Pre madonna's? Awful use of language. Boo! Gerroff! Rubbish! What a waste of space! Absolute chite!

 :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on November 07, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
I think Brunt is a very one-dimensional player, but his talent is very good at what he does. He's a bit like one of those extreme Football Manager players whose stats are rubbish but then they have a massive spike in one area: his would be crossing.

I think Palace summed him up, generally a fairly poor performance but also got a key assist/great delivery. We know what he is and he is/always will be a decent Premiership footballer - but he is definitely a one trick pony, it's just a good job he's good at his trick!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2013, 06:51:32 PM
I think Brunt is a very one-dimensional player, but his talent is very good at what he does. He's a bit like one of those extreme Football Manager players whose stats are rubbish but then they have a massive spike in one area: his would be crossing.

I think Palace summed him up, generally a fairly poor performance but also got a key assist/great delivery. We know what he is and he is/always will be a decent Premiership footballer - but he is definitely a one trick pony, it's just a good job he's good at his trick!

Does him a big disservice imo. His passing, vision, long shots, creativity, movement, work rate, positioning, first touch, corners, heading, teamwork, balance and stamina are all very good... With my football manager head on  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 07, 2013, 07:14:58 PM
Apparently football is the only profession where it is acceptable to abuse an employee for their performance.  ;)  (other than at the pantomime)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on November 07, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Not sure where this has come from as no abuse of Brunty around us this season ?
Gets good applause and support when he comes over for corners too.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 07, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Does him a big disservice imo. His passing, vision, long shots, creativity, movement, work rate, positioning, first touch, corners, heading, teamwork, balance and stamina are all very good... With my football manager head on  :P
I would take issue with the long shots - potentially yes but how many are on target in a season ?
Also pushing it with heading and movement...but he's a worthy member of the match day squad, starting or on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 08, 2013, 01:40:31 AM
I would take issue with the long shots - potentially yes but how many are on target in a season ?
Also pushing it with heading and movement...but he's a worthy member of the match day squad, starting or on the bench.

Always finds pockets of space and very good in the air, we don't hit the diagonals from the goal kicks towards him for effect mate. My post was somewhat facetious as I listed FM attributes in response to the poster suggesting Brunt was a one trick pony yet in the same post saying he was decent Premier League player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 08, 2013, 07:42:26 AM
Big fan of Brunt. Quality player who makes us tick. Not guaranteed first 11 but offers us an alternative to Sinclair and Berahino.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: section5 on November 08, 2013, 09:12:28 AM
for me brunt is invaluable
hard pressed to find a player with his attitude ( ok everyone has a bad game or two so what they are human!) so many assists, crosses, passes and goals that he has provided over the seasons
his corners are worth 10m alone never mind charlie madam

http://lockerz.com/u/20891437/decalz/9528835/everton_fc_vs_west_brom_1_4_

his free kick against everton
what a game
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on November 08, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
Reading the last few comments re this usbject takes me back to the topic i started a couple of weeks ago.

I was slated by many on here for stating we should be doing our job to get behind the players, not slag them off.

Brunt, Anelka, Long, Morrison, Olsson, Ridgewell, Anichebe ... the list goes on

These are all players who are moaned at massively every week. Beyond a joke in my eyes from 'supporters'
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on November 08, 2013, 11:02:57 AM
Reading the last few comments re this usbject takes me back to the topic i started a couple of weeks ago.

I was slated by many on here for stating we should be doing our job to get behind the players, not slag them off.

Brunt, Anelka, Long, Morrison, Olsson, Ridgewell, Anichebe ... the list goes on

These are all players who are moaned at massively every week. Beyond a joke in my eyes from 'supporters'

Totally agree with you. Just been reading a blog talking about the difference in atmosphere between now and days gone by, specifically the Swansea play off game. The stadium is so quiet these days, and when there is a noise it's often a groan or a jeer at a misplaced pass or mistimed header.

Even "boing boing" these days seems a little perfunctory.

Is it because we see ourselves as an established side maybe? Is it because we now expect victory rather than celebrate it.

I don't know, but I do know that jeering players will backfire. It's not just the ones on the receiving end who don't like it, none of us want to see our mates being abused or bullied.

Time to cut it out, and like you say, support the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 08, 2013, 12:03:58 PM
At the end of the day you’ve got to choose what sort of supporter you want to be.

Are you someone who has the audacity to bark ridiculous instructions and criticisms at a professional,  a professional who has had decades of experience and understanding on how to play the game, and who is so proficient that they are among an elite group who play at this top level.

Or are you someone who wants to cheer, encourage and support these professionals, who after all are representing the club we all love, in our shared goal which is winning as many games as possible.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on November 08, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
I haven't a problem with the odd groan and moan here and there, I suspect everyone who goes to the football does this as it is a passionate game. What does my head in are people who love to go out of the way to criticise the team or the player, its seems as though sometimes they can't wait for something to go wrong so they can have a pop and if it's a player that they criticise quite often thats a bonus for them as they can turn round and say I told you so. Most of them who boo you see them after they have booed looking at there mates with smiles on the face as if they have done something to be proud of.

Its as if they love to play the victim and act as if everything the club does is wrong, like we lose 3 in a row and they try and make out we are in a crisis I don't understand it. They never seem to enjoy games and always worked up when with how we are at the moment they should be enjoying it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on November 09, 2013, 11:59:18 AM
Big fan of Brunt. Quality player who makes us tick. Not guaranteed first 11 but offers us an alternative to Sinclair and Berahino.

If he isn't guaranteed a first team place then he isn't a quality player who makes us tick.

He's not in the team because he isn't good enough to get past our current crop of players.
Over the past couple of seasons he has been on the cusp of average/poor, hence why the number of people who moan and groan at him has risen.

There is nothing considerably brilliant in his game that makes him stand out. The odd good pass and corner does not warrant a first team place.

We've grown as a team, he's not grown as a player and that's why he gets grief, it football, it happens
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on November 09, 2013, 01:57:11 PM
For those who deny Brunt is premier league standard if we sold him where would he go? Another premier league team is the answer.

I don't buy this we have moved on lark, more like the rest of the targets for abuse have moved on and Brunt is the fall guy for actually being good enough to still be with us and our club captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
If he isn't guaranteed a first team place then he isn't a quality player who makes us tick.

He's not in the team because he isn't good enough to get past our current crop of players.
Over the past couple of seasons he has been on the cusp of average/poor, hence why the number of people who moan and groan at him has risen.

There is nothing considerably brilliant in his game that makes him stand out. The odd good pass and corner does not warrant a first team place.

We've grown as a team, he's not grown as a player and that's why he gets grief, it football, it happens

Yet those 'odd good passes and corners' usually are far more telling contributions than from other players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on November 09, 2013, 05:06:54 PM
Really poor decision-making in my opinion not to pass it elsewhere rather then sky it over the bar, 3-1 and it's game over.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on November 09, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
For those who deny Brunt is premier league standard if we sold him where would he go? Another premier league team is the answer.

I don't buy this we have moved on lark, more like the rest of the targets for abuse have moved on and Brunt is the fall guy for actually being good enough to still be with us and our club captain.

How can you say that we haven't moved on when he struggles to get in to the first like before? Mulumbu is a perfect example of a player who has continued to progress as a player, Brunt reached a point and stagnated. People aren't blind, there's a reason why he was booed off against Fulham and has become a "target" That's why we went out and bought the likes of Amilfitano, Sinclair, Sessegnon because Clarke recognises this too.

Brunt will never play for a club higher than us, if he was to leave it'll be to a team like Palace, Hull etc IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on November 09, 2013, 05:15:57 PM
Yet those 'odd good passes and corners' usually are far more telling contributions than from other players.

Yet out-weighed by the lesser talents.

When Sinclair comes back, and possibly even Gera, he'll struggle to get back in the team IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
Yet out-weighed by the lesser talents.

When Sinclair comes back, and possibly even Gera, he'll struggle to get back in the team IMO

Brunty was poor today, for some reason he tried to do too much for himself. I think Gera is past it now. Sinclair has never really impressed me either but at least he has a bit of mobility.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on November 09, 2013, 06:03:45 PM
Brunty was poor today, for some reason he tried to do too much for himself. I think Gera is past it now. Sinclair has never really impressed me either but at least he has a bit of mobility.

I'm hoping we've not seen the best of Sinclair yet, I think he can be a very good player for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on November 09, 2013, 06:09:16 PM
Mixed bag from Brunt again today , always willing to take the ball and find space but for drifted into the middle too much leaving Chelsea far too much room down our left.
Another like Long who has been out of the side and takes time to get up to speed for me , I know he should have laid Mozza in or at least hit the target but I ' d stick with him starting a bit longer yet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on November 09, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
Great player, but never a captain in a million years. His disgraceful selfishness today highlighted this. I'd like to think that he'd panicked or hadn't seen Vic, but it looked more like he was after a piece of personal glory. A real captain would have put his teammate through every time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
Great player, but never a captain in a million years. His disgraceful selfishness today highlighted this. I'd like to think that he'd panicked or hadn't seen Vic, but it looked more like he was after a piece of personal glory. A real captain would have put his teammate through every time.
I can't criticise him for shooting, Morrison had run his blind side and he may not have seen him before he snapped to shoot, I'd also say Vic's run was to close to brunt so it would have been hard to put him through, had he connected (and we know he can) he would have finished the game and been an hero?
Thems the breaks, if we are going to blame anyone try these.
#mariner
#ramirez
#spineless-FA
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 09, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
I agree I don't blame him for shooting but it was another example of lack of composure in his shooting. He's got the power - just hit the target.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on November 09, 2013, 10:18:21 PM
I can't criticise him for shooting, Morrison had run his blind side and he may not have seen him before he snapped to shoot, I'd also say Vic's run was to close to brunt so it would have been hard to put him through, had he connected (and we know he can) he would have finished the game and been an hero?
Thems the breaks, if we are going to blame anyone try these.
#mariner
#ramirez
#spineless-FA
I blame nobody other than the cheating scumbags you listed, but I was very disappointed in what I perceived to be extremely selfish actions by the team's 'leader'. He has form for it as well, I recall an occasion where he took a penalty off Dorrans, the designated penalty taker. Dorrans of course was fuming. That and the fact that his head often goes down in matches and his tendency to have a go at his own players rather than encouraging them, is a clear reason why he shouldn't be anywhere near the captain's armband.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on November 10, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Brunty was poor today, for some reason he tried to do too much for himself. I think Gera is past it now. Sinclair has never really impressed me either but at least he has a bit of mobility.

I agree about Gera, I think Sinclair needs a proper run out. There's obvious talent there, it's just a shame he wasted a year of his career on City's bench
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
I blame nobody other than the cheating scumbags you listed, but I was very disappointed in what I perceived to be extremely selfish actions by the team's 'leader'. He has form for it as well, I recall an occasion where he took a penalty off Dorrans, the designated penalty taker. Dorrans of course was fuming. That and the fact that his head often goes down in matches and his tendency to have a go at his own players rather than encouraging them, is a clear reason why he shouldn't be anywhere near the captain's armband.

That was Odemwingie but hey ho. Brunt was fine captaincy wise yesterday, was the last player to leave the field... Well he was virtually dragged from the field by our backroom staff such was his berating of the referee.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2013, 09:11:57 PM
That was Odemwingie but hey ho. Brunt was fine captaincy wise yesterday, was the last player to leave the field... Well he was virtually dragged from the field by our backroom staff such was his berating of the referee.
I can understand the players having strong feelings but its questionable whether a captain should need to be dragged off the field by backroom staff - that can't go down as good captaincy. Should take a leaf out of Clarke's book - make your point then get off the field as its obvious the decision isn't going to be changed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
That was Odemwingie but hey ho. Brunt was fine captaincy wise yesterday, was the last player to leave the field... Well he was virtually dragged from the field by our backroom staff such was his berating of the referee.

The penalty incident was at Everton in the League Cup couple of years ago, Brunt took it off Dorrans
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2013, 09:20:19 PM
The penalty incident was at Everton in the League Cup couple of years ago, Brunt took it off Dorrans

Brunt was the penalty taker at the time though wasn't he and Dorrans was just keen to take it? Thought Brunt took them all that season including the two against Liverpool and the wild one at Villa Park. My memory must be going anyway because I think the penalty Odemwingie took he wrestled the ball from Mozza, who had words with him...

Either way I've got it wrong haha.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
Dorrans was the penalty taker for the game, he picked the ball up, Brunt went over, practically wrestled it from him, couple of players tried to have a word with him but he wasn't having any of it and took it himself. Was no need for it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2013, 09:55:45 PM
I can understand the players having strong feelings but its questionable whether a captain should need to be dragged off the field by backroom staff - that can't go down as good captaincy. Should take a leaf out of Clarke's book - make your point then get off the field as its obvious the decision isn't going to be changed.
From what I saw, he ushered his players away and then made his point to the referee.  Excellent captaincy.  Me, I'd have chinned the bloke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2013, 09:58:07 PM
Yeah but he overdid it, that's my point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Bob on November 11, 2013, 11:06:54 AM
I like Brunt and hate the amount of stick he gets whenever he makes a mistake. Thought he was very good on Saturday and I don't blame him for shooting near the end. He had a clear shot on goal and is probably our best striker of the ball from that sort of distance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on November 12, 2013, 10:06:04 AM
He shouldn't have been shooting at that distance with two players in a better position. 
It was a shocking decision from the club's captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Bob on November 12, 2013, 11:03:26 AM
He was virtually on the edge of the area. He had every right to shoot.

He couldn't get the ball through to the player to his right. The only other option was Anichebe who was out wider than him

The shocking decision was Popovs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on November 12, 2013, 11:25:32 AM
He was virtually on the edge of the area. He had every right to shoot.

He couldn't get the ball through to the player to his right. The only other option was Anichebe who was out wider than him

The shocking decision was Popovs.

I still think Morrison was the better option at the time of his final shot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Bob on November 12, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
Looked to me like he couldn't get the ball to Morrison even if he'd wanted to.

Just don't see how some fans can blame him for having a shot from where he was. Maybe there was a better option but it was hardly an outrageous thing to try unlike Popovs pathetic attempt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: JtheMull on November 13, 2013, 07:12:18 AM
I still think Morrison was the better option at the time of his final shot.

I agree. It's been a repeating pattern of Brunt, when he's played, there's always shots that are powerful, but miles high and miles wide. He's got the power, but all week in training he should be working on scenarios like the counter attack at Chelsea, with two players either side, and 2/3 defenders. Regarding his captaincy, I don't think he's the right man for it. A captain should be a good, strong leader who can perform well every game, and talk to his team every second of the game. There's two players in our team that are right for the captains armband; McAuley and Mulumbu. Both keen to be captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 13, 2013, 01:54:41 PM
He needs composure in his shooting. I always feel he's trying to hit the wonder goal - hitting across it slightly to make it bend - overcomplicated. He should take a leaf out of Saido's book for shooting from the edge of the box....composure, accuracy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: petethebaggie on November 15, 2013, 06:02:53 PM
Is Brunt good enough for our team? He is not the complete player, if he was he would not be at West Brom. What he gives us is goal assists. Is there a better corner taker in the Prem? Nope! When it comes to set pieces and corners he is top quality, the question is ...is that enough for us to progress, probably not but without him in the team we are no where near as threatening from corners, this coupled with GMAC well you see the damage it can cause.

Who is better in this league than Brunt at taking corners?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 15, 2013, 06:49:18 PM
Is Brunt good enough for our team? He is not the complete player, if he was he would not be at West Brom. What he gives us is goal assists. Is there a better corner taker in the Prem? Nope! When it comes to set pieces and corners he is top quality, the question is ...is that enough for us to progress, probably not but without him in the team we are no where near as threatening from corners, this coupled with GMAC well you see the damage it can cause.

Who is better in this league than Brunt at taking corners?

Robin Van Persie?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: easyrider on November 15, 2013, 06:57:42 PM
amalfitano
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: petethebaggie on November 15, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
Robin Van Persie?
Van Persie 'ain't bad I'll give you that
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 18, 2013, 12:54:33 PM
dont feel its fair brunt gets any more stick then morrison mulumbu or anyone else in our midfield.
even when he is having a stinker you can never accuse him of hiding.

with regard to the last few matches i think hes been one of our better players. at chelsea morrison was blind side and anichebes run was poor he was the edge of the area an entitled to shoot. if there was a moment of stupidity in the game that lost us this match it was popov not keeping the ball!

brunt is our best corner taker hes set half of gmacs goals up since hes been here. other goals we have scored have come from brunt corners: winner at villa park, equaliser v villa (odemwingie before mulumbu winner) not to mention 3 of the goals at the custard bowl came from the aftermath of his distributions.

since jonathan greening left there hasnt been anyone in the albion side who could hold the ball like brunt. he has the abilty to slow the game down and speed it up. not all games are built for fast wingers. so he is worth his spot, also he can play through the middle and as a left wing back should we require it.

why people attack one of our longest serving players. we have plenty of fringe players who are further down thepecking order that need removing before brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 18, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
To be fair I don't think many on here are slagging him off - I've had a groan about his shooting accuracy as he's wasting his ability in that aspect of his game in my view.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 01, 2013, 12:56:01 PM
I thought it was a great finish last night from Brunt. I can't name you another player who would have finished it from that angle who was on the pitch for us last night.

No surprise to see it seems to have been overlooked by many Albion fans.

Made the wrong decision later on when he could of squared it but blazed it into the crowd but overall I thought he put in a good performance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2013, 01:01:22 PM
It was an excellent finish but to be fair with a left foot like that you expect it from that range. No-one seems to mention the little flick from Long either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2013, 09:06:52 PM
It was an excellent finish but to be fair with a left foot like that you expect it from that range. No-one seems to mention the little flick from Long either.

Expect better from you mate, Long was heading for goal. Pure luck he diverted it straight into the path of Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
Expect better from you mate, Long was heading for goal. Pure luck he diverted it straight into the path of Brunt.

Whether it was fluke or not it was an excellent little flick to get there ahead of the defender. From where I was and not having seen it again at all today its difficult to say what he was doing as if he was trying to head it at goal his body position was not very good for it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 03, 2013, 01:31:31 PM
Its a pity he doesn't play Rugby, i loose count the amount of times his shots and free kicks hit row z.He has improved slightly this season but a starting position still questionable for me
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 03, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
One thing you can always count on is that at any point he could set up or score a goal with something special, villa game assist, Newcastle game - goal. I think he's assisted GMac twice. I think he's unstoppable
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on December 03, 2013, 06:49:58 PM
One thing you can always count on is that at any point he could set up or score a goal with something special, villa game assist, Newcastle game - goal. I think he's assisted GMac twice. I think he's unstoppable

I agree he has a good record with assists from set pieces, I just wish he would learn how to look forward more often. On the occasions when he does he is quite capable of providing a killer pass, but the number of times he is in an attacking position, with options forward, but stops and passes sideways or back is so frustrating. He never tries to beat a player, and I don't think he is captain material. When something goes wrong you don't want your captain standing and throwing his arms out and blaming everybody else
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on December 03, 2013, 11:16:27 PM
One thing you can always count on is that at any point he could set up or score a goal with something special, villa game assist, Newcastle game - goal. I think he's assisted GMac twice. I think he's unstoppable
Not sure he's unstoppable. The special goal comes up once a season maybe. He just needs to make it count more often especially with shots on target and with crosses from open play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 04, 2013, 07:13:00 AM
Not sure he's unstoppable. The special goal comes up once a season maybe. He just needs to make it count more often especially with shots on target and with crosses from open play.

Haha, just realised that, it's a typo it's meant to say undroppable
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 14, 2013, 06:26:38 PM
Chris Brunt was appalling today, his set pieces were poor a lot of them didn't even beat the first man. He has been a good player and servant for us over the last five years but today and this season he has been really poor, I don't see him as a first team regular no more, more of a squad player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 14, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
I started this post on 17-3-2012 which is almost 2 years ago. 

If I could see the warnings then, why has Clarke failed to address it?

When I see the teamsheets with CB in, I do question if I'm in the wrong and the manager is right, but we never win with Brunt in the starting line-up so I rest my case.  This is no witch-hunt by the Albion fans, just people calling it as they see it.



Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on December 14, 2013, 06:38:03 PM
The thing with Brunt is he hasnt the legs to go box to box as proven today when his tracking back was woefull, He wants to be in the centre. Also we need a winger who hogs the line as Brunt drifting inside actually makes it tough for players like Sessegnon as Brunt is never going to be a quick 1-2 type player, His set-pieces get him in the team but they are not exactly great alot of the time either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 14, 2013, 06:43:04 PM
He was playing well, now he's not and Sinclair is fit, he makes our team look too narrow by drifting in, Scott will widen out game. Sorry Chris, time for a change
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on December 14, 2013, 06:54:20 PM
Our current form is not just down to Chris Brunt but unfortunately i think he is part of the problem. Our best run of performances results this season Fulham / Sunderland / Man United / Arsenal and Stoke he played one game and that was against Fulham, and i await to be corrected but i am pretty sure during the good start to last season he didnt figure that much, it tend to be Gera / Odemwingie / Lukaku / Long and Fortune who played most games.

Brunt is a good player and in a different setup would be valuable but sadly similar to Long i think he doesnt suit our style, rightly or wrongly we are a counter attacking side and the plan is to hit teams quickly on the break, due to his style he slows our play down and is just not the right player for that system.

Counter attacking is usually attack at speed with a focal point of the point being the striker, for some reason when Long is in that role we dont play off him or through, we just hoof it, that is neither Brunts or Longs fault its just it brings the worst out in us.

As stated i dont think Brunt is the only problem, personally i would look at trying him left back, more like a quarter back role, he has one of the best footballing brains in our team just dont think he suits our style of play, that may change with a different manager.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2013, 06:55:30 PM
To be fair to Brunt he wasn't that bad , i will say as we sit so deep all game Brunt simply isn't mobile enough to play out wide in this system. Would be much better in a more attacking side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 15, 2013, 03:08:56 AM
To be fair to Brunt he wasn't that bad , i will say as we sit so deep all game Brunt simply isn't mobile enough to play out wide in this system. Would be much better in a more attacking side.

Brunt and Amelfitano both sit way to deep. What's the point in having wingers when both of them have to start attacks from 10 m from our own corner flags and work the entire length of the pitch? No wonder opposing teams have such an easy time playing against us. Amelfitano has to try to dribble past wave after wave of defenders. Brunt resorts to punts/crosses half the length of the pitch. Our football has become so slow, ponderous and predictable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2013, 05:49:53 AM
He didn't have a bad game yet its the Brunt thread that is pulled back to the top...  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 15, 2013, 08:58:31 AM
I think you're in denial about Brunt.

It's nothing personal, I'm sure he's a top bloke. 

He just shouldn't be playing for WBA.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 15, 2013, 09:10:34 AM
He didn't have a bad game yet its the Brunt thread that is pulled back to the top...  ???
no , but he wasn't good either ?
to be fair to him its almost guilty by association, the left side for us is woeful and that left back (who I cant bring myself to name ) is making those near him nervous/having to cover ?
did anybody notice how many times (v Norwich) lugano had to cover , suddenly lugano had a bad game
and how many times brunt /Olsson had to cover /have a word (v Cardiff) then those 2 have had bad games .
Brunt has served us well , he has had a big part to play in our recent history , but its probably too high a level for him now, and certainly should not be starting.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: colinmax on December 16, 2013, 10:23:52 AM
The first decision the new manager must make is who should be captain.
If he leaves Brunt as captain he will be shooting himself in the foot as he will be unlikely to leave him out in the first few games yet I do not think he should be an automatic starter.
Brunt takes nearly all the free kicks when arguably Gera,Dorrans,Amalfitano,Reid and Morrison may all be better.
I am not saying Brunt is no good but he should not be a certain starter and if picked he should be on the left wing or at the moment he maybe an acceptable emergency left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 16, 2013, 01:28:04 PM
i find it staggering in a team where sessi has no form and amalfitano looks a flat as a pancake brunt is receiving stick. yes hes not as exciting but hes worth his wait in gold hes the only player we have in our squad like him, can pick a pass, that ball to long v villa prime example

doesnt help that he doesnt score enough goals but who in our midfield does? let alone our strikers
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 16, 2013, 01:38:59 PM
I've said for a few years now, and especially since he became captain that he doesn't do enough for us. YES, he can pick out that one killer pass like nobody else, but can we afford to carry him for 89 minutes for that one pass? Gera can pass and (maybe not so much anymore) used to work his balls off to get around the park and put in a tackle.

Brunt's defending, one sidedness and inability to inspire lets him down and I think we can do much better. We need a captain who will run through hell for us, and give us that bit more fire when we need it - Brunt will NEVER do that. Before him we had Carson who was the least inspiring person I could imagine other than Brunt.

First role of the new manager is get some passion in the team. I'd say McAuley would make an ideal captain; Olsson has long said he doesn't want to be Captain and I think GM has a similar level of passion and more maturity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Bilston Dan on December 16, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
I've said for a few years now, and especially since he became captain that he doesn't do enough for us. YES, he can pick out that one killer pass like nobody else, but can we afford to carry him for 89 minutes for that one pass? Gera can pass and (maybe not so much anymore) used to work his balls off to get around the park and put in a tackle.

Brunt's defending, one sidedness and inability to inspire lets him down and I think we can do much better. We need a captain who will run through hell for us, and give us that bit more fire when we need it - Brunt will NEVER do that. Before him we had Carson who was the least inspiring person I could imagine other than Brunt.

First role of the new manager is get some passion in the team. I'd say McAuley would make an ideal captain; Olsson has long said he doesn't want to be Captain and I think GM has a similar level of passion and more maturity.
G Mac, a good honest professional, gives it 100% and seems like a figure who could invigorate a fire in our team. I think it would be the most logical step.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 16, 2013, 02:38:55 PM
no player is to good to carry yet at the moment we are carrying the full compliment of our attacking players. dont think you can just single out brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 16, 2013, 03:58:26 PM
no player is to good to carry yet at the moment we are carrying the full compliment of our attacking players. dont think you can just single out brunt

Have we won a game with Brunt in the team this season? Him and Ridgewell make our left hand side distinctly weak. I am aware other players are playing badly at the moment but Brunt is the captain and hasn't played well since being made so under RDM
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 16, 2013, 06:14:31 PM
G Mac, a good honest professional, gives it 100% and seems like a figure who could invigorate a fire in our team. I think it would be the most logical step.

Yep, I was thinking McAuley today, he's the most logical choice. Brunt shouldn't be a starter for me and therefore shouldn't be captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 16, 2013, 06:36:35 PM
McAuley is Brunt's best friend, don't see the new man changing it anyway but McAuley would probably decline it I would think.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 17, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
Have we won a game with Brunt in the team this season? Him and Ridgewell make our left hand side distinctly weak. I am aware other players are playing badly at the moment but Brunt is the captain and hasn't played well since being made so under RDM

to be fair we have only won 3 without him in the team. I wouldnt put the fact that we are losing down to soley one man or give that many any larger share of the blame less i was directing it towards Steve Clarke.

ridgewell was a step up from shorey but he has had no competition to make him evolve as a player. From the start of this season and for the latter part of last season we have been woefully under par in all departments
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 17, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
when we have gone on to have decent winning streaks like we did under Hodgson after the wolves win and first half last season..Brunt wasn't in the side though. It may be coincidence.

 He definitely does make the team lopsided with his need to come inside leaving a big space in front of the left back.
 Also recently his corners have been poor. I'd rather Amalfitano took them from the right hand side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on December 18, 2013, 03:13:46 PM
His days are numbered.Thanks for your loyalty and service
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on December 21, 2013, 09:06:44 AM
One of the best players i have seen at the Albion. Not as exciting as the Clarks, Cunninghams or Johnstons, but his pass completition,assists and match and season turning goals are up their with the best.

Can change a game in an instant.

Some people would sooner see someone like Andy Johnson or Dorrans who run around for 90 mins with their tongues hanging out yet contribute sod all.

Todays football fans..i despair.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 21, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
I like to see us win and unfortunately it hasn't happened very often when Brunt has been in the team over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on December 21, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
Time for a change today. The bench is calling Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2013, 11:46:54 AM
One of the best players i have seen at the Albion. Not as exciting as the Clarks, Cunninghams or Johnstons, but his pass completition,assists and match and season turning goals are up their with the best.

Can change a game in an instant.

Some people would sooner see someone like Andy Johnson or Dorrans who run around for 90 mins with their tongues hanging out yet contribute sod all.

Todays football fans..i despair.
Good player but have to take issue with match and season turning goals exactly how many ? The potential is there with his left foot but his stats for hitting the target must be pretty woeful.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on December 21, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
I am amazed at the good write ups that Brunt gets from some fans. The way I see it with my own eyes:
Passing - used to be good, but recently mostly punts it long or diagonally
Corners - used to be good, recently mostly poor
Free kicks - poor
Shooting - woeful. If I see him waste another free kick by blasting it over the bar, I'll scream
Tracking back - poor
Tackling - poor
Heading - poor
Leadership qualities - poor
Inspiration to the team - non existent
Basically, shouldn't be playing and needs to be stripped of the captaincy and sold asap
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on December 21, 2013, 05:30:14 PM
Chris Brunt is nowhere near as bad as some of our fans think.   Yes he is frustrating at times but no more so than any of our other players.  He is the only one in our team who can pick a pass.  Yes they don't always come off but does any player in the premier league have a 100% pass completion record of passes greater than 10 yards?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on December 21, 2013, 05:39:14 PM
Chris Brunt is nowhere near as bad as some of our fans think.   Yes he is frustrating at times but no more so than any of our other players.  He is the only one in our team who can pick a pass.  Yes they don't always come off but does any player in the premier league have a 100% pass completion record of passes greater than 10 yards?
Really? The only one in our team who can pick a pass? So no-one in our team picked a pass in the games we won without him in the team? This really has to be one of the least accurate statements ever.
And your last statement is meaningless. Of course no-one has a pass completion rate over 10 yards of 100%. I am unaware of any table showing these stats, but if there was one, I am pretty sure Chris Brunt would not be near the top of it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on December 21, 2013, 05:46:03 PM
Really? The only one in our team who can pick a pass? So no-one in our team picked a pass in the games we won without him in the team? This really has to be one of the least accurate statements ever.
And your last statement is meaningless. Of course no-one has a pass completion rate over 10 yards of 100%. I am unaware of any table showing these stats, but if there was one, I am pretty sure Chris Brunt would not be near the top of it.


You know full well that I mean that some passes reach their target some don't and that he does at least try things whereas others rack up countless 10 yard passes that go nowhere.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 21, 2013, 06:05:25 PM
He was awful today, should never be in the centre for one. Luckily Downing realised and moved him out wide second half.

Whether its confidence or what he is not the player he was a couple of years ago and is not justifying his place in the side.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on December 21, 2013, 06:11:35 PM
He was awful today, should never be in the centre for one. Luckily Downing realised and moved him out wide second half.

Whether its confidence or what he is not the player he was a couple of years ago and is not justifying his place in the side.

Totally agree, his set pieces were shocking.

The few times he tried a forward pass he gave the ball way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 21, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
He's reaching the end of his sell by date here. It's time for him to move on. He was absolutely dreadful today. The game totally bypassed him by in the middle because he doesn't have the mobility to compete, even out wide in the second half, he was hardly brilliant, he just plodded along. For someone with his left foot ability, his set pieces were rubbish - just total rubbish.

Getting increasingly fed up of just watching him stroll a long the pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
Sell him in January.  Time to move on. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: allenkevanastle on December 21, 2013, 06:33:35 PM
Sadly, his usefulness seems to be fading away. His set piece delivery was just awful today. His reluctance to use his right foot means he shouldn't be played in the middle and his lack of pace has always been a limitation. I can only see him at left back (but that's 'because I have no idea what Ridgewell does to justify his place) or a squad player - and we have a bucket-load of those!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2013, 06:47:55 PM
Hasn't got the pace for left back to be his future - OK slotting in during a game but no more than that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 21, 2013, 07:01:58 PM
Why wasn't he just taken off for Gera? Ridgewell was actually doing okay for once, so I don't see the need to make two changes to bring one player on. It's not like his corners were anything special today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 21, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
I forgot to mention this in my previous post but his defending for their goal was abject really. I think everybody in the ground knew what they were planning to do and instead of tracking the runner, he turned himself square, allowing Livermore to run off him and it was then ultimately too late. He should have just tracked Livermore and I'm sure he would have made a great block and therefore received a standing ovation for his efforts. It was basic defending for anybody and he cocked it up - although I'd like to also ask why we were so all at sea.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 21, 2013, 07:20:11 PM
I forgot to mention this in my previous post but his defending for their goal was abject really. I think everybody in the ground knew what they were planning to do and instead of tracking the runner, he turned himself square, allowing Livermore to run off him and it was then ultimately too late. He should have just tracked Livermore and I'm sure he would have made a great block and therefore received a standing ovation for his efforts. It was basic defending for anybody and he cocked it up - although I'd like to also ask why we were so all at sea.
You could see it coming! He is not good enough now sadly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 21, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
I've always been a big fan of Brunt and felt he was underrated but i have to say I'm just not sure where he fits in anymore , too slow and lightweight for the middle and struggling out wide. In previous times his lack of pace wasn't an issue as he had that killer pass or cross not to mention free kicks that hit the target! , now we seem to get simple slowed down passes that create little. We can't afford to keep starting Brunt in the hope a corner or free kick will work out for us , maybe Brunt will benefit from the new manager and we may see the player we know he can be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: koren on December 22, 2013, 06:44:33 AM
Set piece is his only use for us,but now he can't even deliver a decent cross,his yesterday delivery was poor,so time for change,he should sit on the bench in the coming matches.Also we need some pace on the wing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on December 22, 2013, 11:18:33 AM
He is contributing to our rigid style of pay at the moment, being one of the main offenders for knocking long, hopeless balls over the top. I think we could play a far more fluid style of play with Brunt on the bench, we have more than enough midfield options to make it work.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: DaveWBA on December 22, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
I reckon he's arguably our best left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 6rudgej on December 22, 2013, 11:42:05 AM
The sooner Brunt is left out of the squad the sooner the more expansive attacking football can be rekindled!

We're going back in time with Gera, Brunt, Morrison all playing! No wonder we can't put an attack together!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 22, 2013, 01:29:49 PM
I reckon he's arguably our best left back.
id try baggie bird there instead of Ridgwell/popov??

On brunt , the crowd appears 50/50 between love and hate , for me hes ok , he can have a place in the squad but you would have to say there are a few limitations ?

*should not be captain
*set piece delivery has got worse rather than improved
*positional sense is not where it should be for such experience?(although not helped by insisting on taking every bloody corner freekick on the right side)
*for some reason he thinks hes Beckham (always goes fancy rather than steady functional pass)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 22, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
The sooner Brunt is left out of the squad the sooner the more expansive attacking football can be rekindled!

We're going back in time with Gera, Brunt, Morrison all playing! No wonder we can't put an attack together!

Gera was the only player yesterday who could pick the pass that unlocked Hull's defence and funnily enough resulted in our goal. Morrison gets huge stick but nobody else in the midfield has performed any better than him.

Unfortunately for Brunt his time with us is up. Nothing to do with ability in my opinion. He has reached the Carson level of abuse from fans and it's best for him he moves to another Premier League club and flourishes there with a fresh start.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 22, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
Brunt wont be flourishing at any "PREMIER LEAGUE" club as he isn't premier league quality. He could walk into any championship side including QPR but as for the prem, ........never, never, never !!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Frankowba11 on December 22, 2013, 03:48:03 PM
Feel sorry for brunt, I feel he has the Neil Clement of this age. There is always a player that gets the stick no matter what, Clemo used to be that man now it's brunt. It doesn't help he gets played all over the pitch and not his position which is a LEft Midfeilder. This formation means he can't play there so he is losing as soon as he is picked. We should get off his back, remember it isn't him that decides when and where he plays!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionDaz on December 22, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Feel sorry for brunt, I feel he has the Neil Clement of this age. There is always a player that gets the stick no matter what, Clemo used to be that man now it's brunt. It doesn't help he gets played all over the pitch and not his position which is a LEft Midfeilder. This formation means he can't play there so he is losing as soon as he is picked. We should get off his back, remember it isn't him that decides when and where he plays!!
Have to agree Frank,also players going missing and no movement makes it even harder to find a pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 22, 2013, 06:09:04 PM
He is contributing to our rigid style of pay at the moment, being one of the main offenders for knocking long, hopeless balls over the top. I think we could play a far more fluid style of play with Brunt on the bench, we have more than enough midfield options to make it work.

I think Brunt's main problem nowadays is that he plays far too far back, he is basically a defender now. He used to be useful popping into the box but now he plays so far away from the forwards he can't find them with a pass unless it's a 50 yard punt and he carries zero goal threat as it is now.

Root problem is that he lacks the pace to play both secondary fullback and attacking winger. This is something the new coach needs to sort out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on December 22, 2013, 08:08:25 PM
Feel sorry for brunt, I feel he has the Neil Clement of this age. There is always a player that gets the stick no matter what, Clemo used to be that man now it's brunt. It doesn't help he gets played all over the pitch and not his position which is a LEft Midfeilder. This formation means he can't play there so he is losing as soon as he is picked. We should get off his back, remember it isn't him that decides when and where he plays!!
well i must have been asleep all through the clemmo era then, because i dont remember him ever having stick!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2013, 08:16:15 PM
Seems at times whenever a player is criticised its turned into him getting abuse. Not at all and the other players who get mentioned as not getting the same do get it. Ridgewell, Sessegnon, Mulumbu, Olsson, Morrison all having received it.

For me if he is not being played as wide midfielder then its a waste of a place in the team as he does not have the same impact. At the moment his set-pieces are just not happening for some reason and the killer balls etc haven't happened for a while so maybe its time for him to sit it out for a few games as others have done when their form has dropped or stick him out wide in a system where he stays out wide and sticks some crosses over for a striker to stick his head on it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: pointergeorge on December 22, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
Agree Albion 59.  I'm fed up with Brunt and his shrugging and moaning.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on December 22, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
Never a box to box player, Always drifts in from the left as he hates tracking back, Which creates congestion in the middle then as he isnt an outlet to give the ball too, Set-pieces are pretty mediocre as of late and he really does wave his arms around alot. Sessegnon needs players who can do quick one-twos as proven with Saido or Morgan, Brunt for all his assists people mention doesnt do enough on the pitch to justify his starting berth.

Cant tackle, Cant head the ball, No pace and his crossing which is his bet asset rarely gets used in a game.

Not many teams come in for him or Morrison either.

Good servants too the club but with this squad he wouldnt be in the first 11.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Cardiaccarol on December 22, 2013, 09:19:19 PM
For me - we have gone backwards since he started playing regularly this season.

He has one world class set piece each game. Unfortunately the rest of the team don't understand which one that is so there is rarely anyone in the correct position to benefit from the worldie. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 22, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
Again Yesterday he didn't play well. He needs to be dropped as he has been on a poor run of form for a long time and I don't remember the last time he has a spell of good games for us. Brunt seems to slow our moves down and I don't see why he is the club captain as he seems one of least likely players in the team to be the captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 22, 2013, 09:39:59 PM
Again Yesterday he didn't play well. He needs to be dropped as he has been on a poor run of form for a long time and I don't remember the last time he has a spell of good games for us. Brunt seems to slow our moves down and I don't see why he is the club captain as he seems one of least likely players in the team to be the captain.
Well we seem to be short of candidates for Capt Olsson would be ideal but apparently he does not want it? Although he acts like he is the Capt? Gmac would also be good.I think the CB position is good for Capt in fact best as they can rerad the game as the best position.Of course the temperament needs to be suitable.
Which both our CB's have in my humble?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 22, 2013, 10:58:51 PM
Seems at times whenever a player is criticised its turned into him getting abuse. Not at all and the other players who get mentioned as not getting the same do get it. Ridgewell, Sessegnon, Mulumbu, Olsson, Morrison all having received it.

For me if he is not being played as wide midfielder then its a waste of a place in the team as he does not have the same impact. At the moment his set-pieces are just not happening for some reason and the killer balls etc haven't happened for a while so maybe its time for him to sit it out for a few games as others have done when their form has dropped or stick him out wide in a system where he stays out wide and sticks some crosses over for a striker to stick his head on it.

Brunt misplaced a pass yesterday and got boos and a load of f*** offs. That is abuse not criticism, no other players get this treatment and they have arguably been as poor as him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on December 22, 2013, 11:15:42 PM
Brunt misplaced a pass yesterday and got boos and a load of f*** offs. That is abuse not criticism, no other players get this treatment and they have arguably been as poor as him.

Not condoning it, BUT the MISPLACED pass you mentioned was the culmination of many casual and lazy balls from our captain in the first half added to his set pieces becoming less and less effective - two free kicks around the box were just slammed low into the first Hull player near the ball. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 22, 2013, 11:42:38 PM
Not condoning it, BUT the MISPLACED pass you mentioned was the culmination of many casual and lazy balls from our captain in the first half added to his set pieces becoming less and less effective - two free kicks around the box were just slammed low into the first Hull player near the ball.

The boo's and the abuse clearly had it's desired effect.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
Brunt misplaced a pass yesterday and got boos and a load of f*** offs. That is abuse not criticism, no other players get this treatment and they have arguably been as poor as him.

Well given that I was talking about posts on this board I can say that at a game I hear the same when Olsson does hoofballs to no-one, I hear the same when Ridgewell messes up, the same when Sessegnon messes up etc etc so others do get this treatment. I also heard boos for Lugano when the teams were read out before the game.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 22, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
Well given that I was talking about posts on this board I can say that at a game I hear the same when Olsson does hoofballs to no-one, I hear the same when Ridgewell messes up, the same when Sessegnon messes up etc etc so others do get this treatment. I also heard boos for Lugano when the teams were read out before the game.

One thing I will say about Lugano he was right in front of me warming up when they scored and he looked genuinely pee'ed off by it. That says a lot to me about his character. Compare that to Dorrans during the Arsenal penalty shoot-out...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 22, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
One thing I will say about Lugano he was right in front of me warming up when they scored and he looked genuinely pee'ed off by it. That says a lot to me about his character. Compare that to Dorrans during the Arsenal penalty shoot-out...
Last game he played he had to cover for Ridgewell quite a bit?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 23, 2013, 12:03:38 AM
id try baggie bird there instead of Ridgwell/popov??

On brunt , the crowd appears 50/50 between love and hate , for me hes ok , he can have a place in the squad but you would have to say there are a few limitations ?

*should not be captain
*set piece delivery has got worse rather than improved
*positional sense is not where it should be for such experience?(although not helped by insisting on taking every bloody corner freekick on the right side)
*for some reason he thinks hes Beckham (always goes fancy rather than steady functional pass)


To me those are issues that the head coach should be on top of.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 23, 2013, 12:18:09 AM
Last game he played he had to cover for Ridgewell quite a bit?

I'm on about when Hull scored on Saturday. He was warming up right in front of me and looked genuinely annoyed by us conceding. For someone who has barely had a sniff of first team action that said a lot about his character to me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 23, 2013, 09:47:40 AM
Last game he played he had to cover for Ridgewell quite a bit?
I counted 5 times v Norwich in the first half, and ridgewell had the nerve to have a go at him??

Probable that the captain of Uruguay has a winning mentality and wouldn't want to lose at monopoly , and its a bloody good trait to have.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 23, 2013, 10:28:30 AM
Not good enough for the squad and yet he's still captain. I was fuming at him on Saturday he is just simply not good enough and shouldn't be playing. If he's unhappy where he's being played, as captain he can speak up surely? I seem to remember him WANTING to be in the middle or right so he could cut inside and shoot rather than cross it.

A terribly unmotivational, technically inconsistent, defensively poor, one footed player who may be subject to some abuse from fans but I feel it's justified as there is frustration at his sheer lack of effort and consistently poor performances. He doesn't do himself any favours by belting balls long to nobody and his increasingly terrible set pieces to the first opposition man. Drop him, strip him of the captaincy and maybe when he's had some time off he'll play to a decent standard. For me ever since he's been captain he's performed badly, and it can't be because of his extra captaincy duties as he does sod all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 23, 2013, 07:27:49 PM
Well given that I was talking about posts on this board I can say that at a game I hear the same when Olsson does hoofballs to no-one, I hear the same when Ridgewell messes up, the same when Sessegnon messes up etc etc so others do get this treatment. I also heard boos for Lugano when the teams were read out before the game.

I take a lot of the comments on here with a pinch of salt really they have no real effect on the team or players performance on a match day.

There are far more groans and personal insults when Brunt plays compared to others. He was booed off when subbed at some point last season, this stuff is not constructive and has no positive effect on anything.

Yes there are groans when others do things wrong but the insults and booing of Brunt is just completely stupidity and pretty inexplicable. It doesn't get anybody anywhere and some people just don't seem to realise it for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 23, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
I'm on about when Hull scored on Saturday. He was warming up right in front of me and looked genuinely annoyed by us conceding. For someone who has barely had a sniff of first team action that said a lot about his character to me.
I know mate I understood your post.
It was very good to know that he showed that response thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 28, 2013, 03:20:18 PM
2 direct assists from Brunt today and took he corner for Anelka's second.

He is proving he is still an important player for us, I thought he looked very fresh today and up for it a little more than usual.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on December 28, 2013, 03:40:34 PM
Yep, credit where credits due, i posted not long ago i wondered if Brunt was only a squad player now, i still stand by that but when used if he performs like he did today, ie - 3 x assists then fair play.

Like the rest of the team he played with a bit more freedom and enjoyment and fair play to him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on December 28, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Yep, credit where credits due, i posted not long ago i wondered if Brunt was only a squad player now, i still stand by that but when used if he performs like he did today, ie - 3 x assists then fair play.

Like the rest of the team he played with a bit more freedom and enjoyment and fair play to him.

There are a lot of Albion fans who dislike Brunt for whatever reason. Today he showed what he is capable of.

No doubts he has under performed at times this season - however the same can be said for almost the rest of the squad, he just seems to suffer more intense criticism than others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 28, 2013, 04:15:51 PM
There are a lot of Albion fans who dislike Brunt for whatever reason. Today he showed what he is capable of.

No doubts he has under performed at times this season - however the same can be said for almost the rest of the squad, he just seems to suffer more intense criticism than others.

he worked hard today. People around me think he is lazy and I think at times he can be.
However worked hard and provided the quality today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2013, 06:52:40 PM
I don't dislike Brunt and he played a part in the goals today but for me he is not suited to a central role and never will be. I give credit when I feels its due and criticism again when I feel its due. I don't kiss backside any player (maybe exception of Dorrans  ;) ) and I don't over criticise others. I comment on what I see.

I thought he was okay at times and sloppy at other times in a hard-working team performance along with the rest of the midfield. What did help today was the fact Anelka came very deep to collect the ball and made himself available so the long balls were not needed and that helped Brunt amongst others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 28, 2013, 06:56:37 PM
I don't dislike Brunt and he played a part in the goals today but for me he is not suited to a central role and never will be. I give credit when I feels its due and criticism again when I feel its due. I don't kiss backside any player (maybe exception of Dorrans  ;) ) and I don't over criticise others. I comment on what I see.

I thought he was okay at times and sloppy at other times in a hard-working team performance along with the rest of the midfield. What did help today was the fact Anelka came very deep to collect the ball and made himself available so the long balls were not needed and that helped Brunt amongst others.

Brunty also played a bit further up the pitch today so he didn't have to hit those 50 yard balls looking for a forward. It was good seeing him have a good game, we will need him to be on form this season. Hope Morrison finds his feet again as well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
He was knackered 2nd half and should have been subbed.  I'm still not convinced by him in the middle and he's not fast enough to be a winger and ditto Morrison.  Mulumbu, Yacob, Amalfitano, Gera, Sessegnon are all superior IMO.

There was no protection for the defence out there with Brunt and Morrison, felt sorry for Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 28, 2013, 07:44:54 PM
directly involved in all 3 goals, didnt have most fluid game but shouldnt be doubted. amalfitano and sessi not on form dont deserve to play over him atm
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 28, 2013, 07:47:30 PM
Chris Brunt had 5 assists this season before the West Ham game. If he gets credited with 3 assists from this game he could go up to second in the PL after Rooney (9).  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
I should think so all the free kicks and corners he takes, which must amount to 10 per game.

Brunt's overall contribution provides more negatives than positives IMO.  Having a central 3 of Mozza, Brunt and Mulumbu was suicide to me.

Gera must be reinstated for Newcastle, then you've got Yacob, Amalfitano, Sinclair also. 

Brunt and Mozza should be moved on in January window.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2013, 08:28:45 PM
good game today, he shouldn't be sold but i don't think he is first 11 material.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
Why can't the coaching staff see what thousands of ordinary WBA supporters can :

That we are a superior team WITHOUT Brunt and Morrison in the starting line up!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 28, 2013, 08:33:42 PM
I should think so all the free kicks and corners he takes, which must amount to 10 per game.

Brunt's overall contribution provides more negatives than positives IMO.  Having a central 3 of Mozza, Brunt and Mulumbu was suicide to me.

Gera must be reinstated for Newcastle, then you've got Yacob, Amalfitano, Sinclair also. 

Brunt and Mozza should be moved on in January window.

I wasn't tickled pink when I saw it either, but come on other players are taking as many corners and free kicks as Brunty. I agree with you that he isn't the best defensively why imh he should play further up and focus on putting those through balls to the forwards (Berahino, Vydra, Anelka). I'd play Brunty over Sinclair on the left any day. To me the man out in that midfield setup is Morrison who just doesn't have traction to his game atm.

The freekick from when Berahino hit the post was also from when Diame scythed down Brunty on the edge of the box. Nolan also got a warning for a similar tackle on Chris.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Why can't the coaching staff see what thousands of ordinary WBA supporters can :

That we are a superior team WITHOUT Brunt and Morrison in the starting line up!

Brunt has been having a poor run but he was excellent today. Morrison has always been hit and miss.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 08:45:54 PM
The thing is, the strain on our defence is massive when Brunt and Morrison are on the pitch.  This is because their tacking / closing down ability is about 10%.  Fans turn around after today and say our defending is poor but what do you do when you have 4 onrushing midfielders plus 2 strikers to contend with?

For me Mulumbu and Yacob do a fantastic screening job which limits opposition attacks on our defence.  We conceded 3 goals to a poor team today, I reckon had we fielded this team v Spurs it would have been 5.

The best AM is Zoltan Gera the guy is an artist.  Sessegnon is a good AM.  The best winger we have is Amalfitano.  Sinclair needs a run to build confidence not 10 mins as a sub.  Vydra could do a job as a winger.  All this leaves no room at all for Brunt and Morrison surely?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hardtobeat on December 28, 2013, 09:01:52 PM
For the first 40 mins Morrison was the only player for us who looked like he could create a goal,to blame him and to a lesser extent Brunt for a defensive frailties today is just totally wrong as we had 5 out and out defenders plus Foster plus Mulumbu on the pitch if that aint enough then i think we really do have major problems!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 09:19:06 PM
You can't have a midfield offering little protection to a defence!  The midfield have to break up opposition attacks.

Why don't we play 6-0-4 then?  By your reckoning we won't concede because there's 6 defenders in the way.

Mulumbu is probably knackered by now.  He's played virtually every game and generally has to do the closing down of 2 players every game.  I think that's why he's off form a little.

The offensive side of our midfield is way too slow with Brunt and Morrison there anyway.

As a fan I want energetic closing down in DM (like Mulumbu), skilful pacy wingers and a creative AM (Gera or Sessegnon).  Mozza and Brunt are not in any category.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: shortybaggies on December 28, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
Why can't the coaching staff see what thousands of ordinary WBA supporters can :

That we are a superior team WITHOUT Brunt and Morrison in the starting line up!

Who would you play instead? Sess and Amalfi? One guy who seems to lose the ball every time he gets it and can't hit a barn door and a player who hasn't looked good since we beat United? Brunt had three assists today and stats clearly show he covers more ground than every other player on the park most games? Morrison's a fantastic player and clearly isn't being utilised properly. Sess needed dropping as did Amalfitano. Brunt and Morrison obvious choices to replace them and have proved their worth. Morrison great against Spurs and Brunt great today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
Who would you play instead? Sess and Amalfi? One guy who seems to lose the ball every time he gets it and can't hit a barn door and a player who hasn't looked good since we beat United? Brunt had three assists today and stats clearly show he covers more ground than every other player on the park most games? Morrison's a fantastic player and clearly isn't being utilised properly. Sess needed dropping as did Amalfitano. Brunt and Morrison obvious choices to replace them and have proved their worth. Morrison great against Spurs and Brunt great today.

I can't agree with you.  Gera was the driving force against Spurs, he put Vydra through twice one on one at 0-0.  West Ham are amongst the very worst the Premiership has to offer.  Brunt wasn't great today by any means.  Why haven't we won with them 2 in the side? 

I've seen how good Morgan and Sessegnon can be and when that happens they are on a higher level to Brunt and Mozza.

Gera and Vydra have arguably done more in 2 games than Brunt and Morrison all season.

Why isn't the team picked on merit?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 28, 2013, 09:41:13 PM
I can't agree with you.  Gera was the driving force against Spurs, he put Vydra through twice one on one at 0-0.  West Ham are amongst the very worst the Premiership has to offer.  Brunt wasn't great today by any means.  Why haven't we won with them 2 in the side? 

I've seen how good Morgan and Sessegnon can be and when that happens they are on a higher level to Brunt and Mozza.

Gera and Vydra have arguably done more in 2 games than Brunt and Morrison all season.

Why isn't the team picked on merit?

That is simply not true. For some reason Brunty's assist record and involvement in other goals doesn't register with you.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2013, 10:01:51 PM
I've accepted Brunt's assists record in particular and no one takes that away from him.

Brunt and Morrison are almost incapable of tracking back and putting in a tackle.  The defensive side of the game is severely lacking. 

Gera in AM is more lithe, can cover more ground defensively, and puts through more killer balls.  Yacob and Mulumbu do the screening and hey presto you've got the perfect balanced midfield with better options as back up.  Namely Sess, Morgan, Vydra, Sinclair.

Mozza and Brunt shouldn't even be on the radar.  It's a total mystery to me and thousands of others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hardtobeat on December 29, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
Gera was never going to play 2 games in less than 48hrs, Vydra may have been unlucky but as Anelka and Saido scored 3 goals between them its difficult to say the decision to leave them out was wrong!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adamstv on December 29, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
For the first 40 mins Morrison was the only player for us who looked like he could create a goal,to blame him and to a lesser extent Brunt for a defensive frailties today is just totally wrong as we had 5 out and out defenders plus Foster plus Mulumbu on the pitch if that aint enough then i think we really do have major problems!!

I agree wholeheartedly with these comments. Morrison had a very good game against spurs  and was one of the few players to play the 2 games over Christmas period. Perhaps he tired , that seems to be a common excuse these days when players play 2 games in 3 days let alone 2 in less than 2 days. Brunt is another hit and miss but he never shies away or hides.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2013, 08:14:34 PM
Brunt's corners are quite possibly the best in the premier league, its laughable when people moan about his crossed set pieces. Some people seem to think its possible to take an amazing corner time after time. Brunt's flat set piece deliveries are amongst the best in the game, almost always create at least one great chance a game, for that reason alone he's worth a place in the team. Its particularly noticeable when someone else (usually Morrison or Amalfitano) take a corner and they never create anything resembling a chance.

Frustrating he may be, but anyone our level will be. Brunt and Gera are really our only two players who can consistently unlock a defence with a great pass, its an asset we can't overlook. Even if Brunt plays badly he still creates chances.

Sessegnon's the other side of the coin in that he can look brilliant but he virtually never picks the right pass and his finishing is abysmal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 29, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
Brunt's corners are quite possibly the best in the premier league, its laughable when people moan about his crossed set pieces. Some people seem to think its possible to take an amazing corner time after time. Brunt's flat set piece deliveries are amongst the best in the game, almost always create at least one great chance a game, for that reason alone he's worth a place in the team. Its particularly noticeable when someone else (usually Morrison or Amalfitano) take a corner and they never create anything resembling a chance.

Frustrating he may be, but anyone our level will be. Brunt and Gera are really our only two players who can consistently unlock a defence with a great pass, its an asset we can't overlook. Even if Brunt plays badly he still creates chances.

Sessegnon's the other side of the coin in that he can look brilliant but he virtually never picks the right pass and his finishing is abysmal.

Brunt's set pieces haven't been great this season.  But yes when he gets it right it can be deadly.

However, I still haven't seen him create much from open play all season, West Ham apart.

You cannot pick someone just for set piece ability alone.  Even Stoke had to dispense with Rory Delap in the end.

We might as well coax Roberto Carlos, Ronald Koeman, David Beckham or Neil Clement out of retirement!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 29, 2013, 09:32:23 PM
Brunt's set pieces haven't been great this season.  But yes when he gets it right it can be deadly.

However, I still haven't seen him create much from open play all season, West Ham apart.

You cannot pick someone just for set piece ability alone.  Even Stoke had to dispense with Rory Delap in the end.

We might as well coax Roberto Carlos, Ronald Koeman, David Beckham or Neil Clement out of retirement!

I haven't found an up to date assist table, but it is possible that Brunty is joint 2nd in the Premier League atm. Are you seriously comparing that to Rory Delap's throw ins?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 30, 2013, 12:12:32 PM
I thought the pass that Brunt made for Anelka's goal was top quality and also the corner which lead to our second goal. When Brunty makes those great passes then it can lead to us scoring and unlocking defenses. I just think that a player with the passing ability and the left foot that he has should be doing it more for us and scoring more. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Booker on December 30, 2013, 12:36:14 PM
I thought the pass that Brunt made for Anelka's goal was top quality and also the corner which lead to our second goal. When Brunty makes those great passes then it can lead to us scoring and unlocking defenses. I just think that a player with the passing ability and the left foot that he has should be doing it more for us and scoring more.

It was a simple through ball which you'd expect most of our midfielders to be able to do.

The Brunt argument will never end, and to be fair, it seems like more and more people are starting to pick up on the same thing. There's no smoke without fire
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 30, 2013, 12:44:39 PM
For every game he has where he makes good passes and takes decent corners/free kicks He  has more games like he did against Hull where his corners either don't get past the first defender or are over hit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2013, 01:42:51 PM
As i posted a few weeks back Brunt needs to find some consistency in his game , West Ham was his best game in months but he needs to back that up with a couple more good months play....all the talent is their in him we know that much.What his best position is in this squad I'm still not sure , great crosser of the ball but forward wise other than Gera and maybe Long we don't have much aerial threat in open play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Boinggg on December 30, 2013, 03:01:50 PM
I haven't found an up to date assist table, but it is possible that Brunty is joint 2nd in the Premier League atm. Are you seriously comparing that to Rory Delap's throw ins?

Wayne Rooney   Manchester United   9
Mesut Özil   Arsenal   7
Steven Gerrard   Liverpool   6
Jesús Navas   Manchester City   6
Aaron Ramsey   Arsenal   6
Chris Brunt   West Bromwich Albion   5
David Silva   Manchester City   5
Pablo Zabaleta   Manchester City   5
Adam Lallana   Southampton   5
Olivier Giroud   Arsenal   5
Luis Suárez   Liverpool   5
Jordan Henderson   Liverpool   5
Kevin Mirallas   Everton   5
Rickie Lambert   Southampton   5


http://espnfc.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Thought he had possibly his best game of the season on Saturday.

The problem I have with Brunt is that although he is always well up there in the assists table for us I often don't think he does enough in games, if he doesn't get an assist or two he often looks a waste of time. It is clear to see he has plenty of talent he's just inconsistent, been a great servant to the club and he is a joy to watch when at his best. He is a little like Morrison in the way that he appears to be either very good or very poor with little inbetween for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 30, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
Wayne Rooney   Manchester United   9
Mesut Özil   Arsenal   7
Steven Gerrard   Liverpool   6
Jesús Navas   Manchester City   6
Aaron Ramsey   Arsenal   6
Chris Brunt   West Bromwich Albion   5
David Silva   Manchester City   5
Pablo Zabaleta   Manchester City   5
Adam Lallana   Southampton   5
Olivier Giroud   Arsenal   5
Luis Suárez   Liverpool   5
Jordan Henderson   Liverpool   5
Kevin Mirallas   Everton   5
Rickie Lambert   Southampton   5


http://espnfc.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

That's from before the West Ham game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
He was very good against West Ham but he's not consistent enough, saying that most of our team are not consistent at the minute.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Boinggg on December 31, 2013, 02:21:34 PM
That's from before the West Ham game.

I can't comment on others, but brunt is definitely on 5 after the west ham game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 31, 2013, 03:51:24 PM
He was very good against West Ham but he's not consistent enough, saying that most of our team are not consistent at the minute.
consistently inconsistent ?

I have criticised him before but when you look at that list of assists, can anyone name one youd get for less than 7mil ??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
consistently inconsistent ?

I have criticised him before but when you look at that list of assists, can anyone name one youd get for less than 7mil ??

And there is the uncomfortable truth...

Championship player ay he?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on January 01, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
Lovely through ball to Vydra to carve open the Newcastle defence to win the penalty.


Terrible header first half but he is in the team to create chances and he's notched up another today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2014, 06:02:36 PM
It was a decent through ball but one I would expect and hope all our midfielders plus Anelka are more than capable off. All round performance was like the rest of the side today, in and out.

Should have buried the header but not the only one guilty of sloppiness in front of goal today
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on January 01, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
credit where credits due on the last 3 performances
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on January 01, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
It was a decent through ball but one I would expect and hope all our midfielders plus Anelka are more than capable off.


Mate it was a beaut.  Perfectly weighted with a bit of curve on it to bring it right into Vydras path.


Sorry but none of our other midfielders with the exception of Gera are cultured enough to do that.  I'll give you Anelka but Yacob or Mulumbu couldn't and Sessegnon cant pass 5 yards to feet without messing it up.  With Morrison theres a 30-70 chance it would go our for a goal kick or keeper.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2014, 07:31:11 PM

Mate it was a beaut.  Perfectly weighted with a bit of curve on it to bring it right into Vydras path.


Sorry but none of our other midfielders with the exception of Gera are cultured enough to do that.  I'll give you Anelka but Yacob or Mulumbu couldn't and Sessegnon cant pass 5 yards to feet without messing it up.  With Morrison theres a 30-70 chance it would go our for a goal kick or keeper.

I wouldn't expect Mulumbu or Yacob to be far enough forward to do it but others are capable of it. I haven't criticised Brunt at all. Why is when a comment is made people jump straight off ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hillsm on January 01, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
I thought he had a good game today, superb through ball for the penalty and how anyone can question his effort is beyond me.

As our longest serving player he deserves a lot more respect from the fans than he is currently getting, but it seems there always has to be a scapegoat with the Albion fans in recent times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2014, 07:59:14 PM
I thought he had a good game today, superb through ball for the penalty and how anyone can question his effort is beyond me.

As our longest serving player he deserves a lot more respect from the fans than he is currently getting, but it seems there always has to be a scapegoat with the Albion fans in recent times.

There's a good picture on the main website where Brunty hugs Ridgewell - which shows how happy he was with the win.

There are a lot of weaker players at the club atm than Brunty but for some reason he gets stick while the headless chickens can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 01, 2014, 07:59:59 PM
4 assists in 2 games - you can't get much more influential.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2014, 08:01:38 PM
Apart from his ball which lead to the penalty I thought he had a poor game if I'm honest. He is capable of so much more and it is infuriating to watch somebody of his quality give the ball away so cheaply. There were at least two  occasions today where a routine switch of play ended up skidding out of play, either in-front or behind Liam Ridgewell who had made an overlapping run - it has been a common theme at The Hawthorns for a couple of months now.

He has to be careful he doesn't start attempting to do to much, especially when he is struggling with the basics. The ball, however for Vydra was a peach.

He had a good game on Saturday and I was hoping he would back it up today but unfortunately, he didn't.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2014, 08:15:02 PM
Thought he was good again today. Lost possession a couple of times, one involving Ridgewell 2nd half and one that was intercepted on halfway in the first half, but the fact this is highlighted when the number of times Mulumbu gave the ball away must have been in double figures I'll never know. Aside from that he sprayed the ball about nicely, covered Ridgewell well enough and put through a worldy reverse pass for the penalty which is already being played down on here. To put it frankly today had Brunt not played we'd have drawn nil nil.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
Thought he was good again today. Lost possession a couple of times, one involving Ridgewell 2nd half and one that was intercepted on halfway in the first half, but the fact this is highlighted when the number of times Mulumbu gave the ball away must have been in double figures I'll never know. Aside from that he sprayed the ball about nicely, covered Ridgewell well enough and put through a worldy reverse pass for the penalty which is already being played down on here. To put it frankly today had Brunt not played we'd have drawn nil nil.

It is highlighted because this is a thread specifically dedicated to Chris Brunt - it is also widely accepted on here that Mulumbu isn't great in possession of the ball.

The other bold comment is pure guess work. I could easily suggest that if Gera had played he would have scored the sitter that Brunty missed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
It is highlighted because this is a thread specifically dedicated to Chris Brunt - it is also widely accepted on here that Mulumbu isn't great in possession of the ball.

The other bold comment is pure guess work. I could easily suggest that if Gera had played he would have scored the sitter that Brunty missed.

In the literal sense after the fact had Brunt not played that ball we don't get the penalty anything else is conjecture, that is a fact.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on January 01, 2014, 08:56:20 PM
poor first half better second. it does help when you have players like vydra and berahino making runs to be passed to!! before they came on we had the ineffective anelka and sessegnon again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
poor first half better second. it does help when you have players like vydra and berahino making runs to be passed to!! before they came on we had the ineffective anelka and sessegnon again.


Anelka was excellent today but that's for another thread!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2014, 10:15:52 PM


Anelka was excellent today but that's for another thread!!

Apart from the horrible, hairraising, horrendous miss from three yards out! (but yes not for the CB thread).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 01, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
Didn't think he had a great game today but still made the contribution that lead to our goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 02, 2014, 01:15:08 AM
Another assist for Brunt and a decent performance to go with it.

He is a key player for us and anyone thinking he is going to be moving on from us this month I'm afraid it's not happening.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2014, 01:16:49 AM
Another assist for Brunt and a decent performance to go with it.

He is a key player for us and anyone thinking he is going to be moving on from us this month I'm afraid it's not happening.

I believe technically Vydra is credited with the assist. The rest of your post I completely agree with.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on January 02, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
I am not a Brunt fan as per my previous posts, but for me he had a decent game v Newcastle.

The thing i have noticed around where i sit, is that both Brunt and Ridgewell are completely finished, it does not matter what they do, it will never be enough......... every mistake they make gets completely blown out of proportion. For me, they need to be taken out of the spot light for a few games, then brought back into the fold to see if the crowd can accept them again, if not, they must be allowed to leave.

It must affect their performances / confidence if they know that they are not liked / under complete scrutiny.

The same is starting to happen to Sessegnon aswell, the rumblings are starting to grow......
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on January 02, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
I am not a Brunt fan as per my previous posts, but for me he had a decent game v Newcastle.

The thing i have noticed around where i sit, is that both Brunt and Ridgewell are completely finished, it does not matter what they do, it will never be enough......... every mistake they make gets completely blown out of proportion. For me, they need to be taken out of the spot light for a few games, then brought back into the fold to see if the crowd can accept them again, if not, they must be allowed to leave.

It must affect their performances / confidence if they know that they are not liked / under complete scrutiny.

The same is starting to happen to Sessegnon aswell, the rumblings are starting to grow......

Yes it is a huge shame I completely agree with what you say about Brunt and Ridgewell.

It seems as though there always has to be someone to moan at and dislike no matter how bad or well things are going and unfortunately those individuals have singled out these two players.

I did like how Downing went out of his way to praise Brunt yesterday, he knows Brunt is disliked by a section of our fans. It may have been just praising him for a good performance or he may well have been trying to turn some peoples heads with regards to the criticism he gets.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolly wombat on January 02, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed yesterday that during a lull in the first half Chris Brunt appeared to be throwing up in front of the East Stand. If that was the case and he was feeling ill it may explain why his performance was, as some people have suggested, was a bit flat. Then again, he might have just had a good look at the fans in the East Stand and that made him throw up. Anyway, he is frustrating at times, but when he does get that left peg working properly, he is just priceless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 02, 2014, 09:15:11 PM
I am not a chris brunt fan,most games its 10 v11 when he is the side,no pace,slows the game down too much,sulks ,doesn't encourage and he is supposed to be captain,we usually get better results when he is not starting;however he can produce a killer pass out of nowhere,but needs a speedy forward with nous to work with,from not having him anywhere near the starting line up,my opinion is slowly changing especially after last 3 games where his passing has gotten us points,i would rotate him and gera in the middle behind vyhdra and berehino
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 03, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Every mistake Brunt makes gets jumped upon and blown out of all proportion. Every time he does something wrong, the groans and moans start up.

Against Hull, Brunt played a pass for Sessegnon to run on to, and because it wasn't right to his feet and he didn't move for it, people had a go at Brunt. Later, Sessegnon played a poor pass for Brunt to run onto, and because he didn't get it, it was down to Brunt being useless. He can't do right for doing wrong.

So by getting on our captain's back, we might drive him out of our club. Even when he is having a bad game, he can play one ball, and we can score from it. He may not be the all-action captain some people want, but he is often the fulcrum around which our team works, and people either can't, or won't, see it.

We'll drive him out, the goals will dry up, we'll go down, and people will wonder why.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion61 on January 03, 2014, 01:59:39 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris-Brunt-appreciation-page/1403984146514706?ref=hl
i dont get this chris brunt thing Albion fans have to have a go at someone Brunts had a lot of poor games but so as everyone ,the big difference is he doesn't hide ,he always shows for the ball,if someones out of postion,look at the bloke who covers for him,more often than not its Brunt,if someone goes off injured,Brunt steps in there postion.Hes a team player hence whyevery manager we have had hes always one of the first names on the team sheet,he does a lot of the ugly work that goes un noticed ,and just for his assists would always get in my team,and lets be honest someone with a left foot like his who tracked back,never gave the ball away scored great free kicks etc would not be playing for us
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2014, 05:29:09 PM
Comes in for a lot of criticism but I thought he was good today. Apart from the one shot which cannoned someone at the top of the Brummie he was good. It's amazing what a player can do when he is played in his rightful position. We've had three matches on the spin where in my opinion he has been a contender for MOTM. Hopefully Brunty can continue this form. His effort is unquestionable but it's good to see him supplementing it with quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hardtobeat on February 02, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
His attitude,work rate and commitment today were quite outstanding looked a proper captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on February 02, 2014, 05:58:30 PM
His attitude,work rate and commitment today were quite outstanding looked a proper captain.

Absolutely that. Superb performances from him since Mel came in and put him on the left. It really isn't rocket science
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
Another excellent display from the skipper today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 02, 2014, 06:20:32 PM
Leading by example exactly what a captain should be doing. Think he has been pretty impressive the last few games in difficult circumstances with results not going our way, we need players to step up in hard times and he is one of the few that has done just that. Long may his current form continue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on February 02, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
im not a brunt fan but the last few games he is well worth his place,he still should not be captain though
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2014, 06:24:14 PM
3 games in his rightful and best position sees 3 excellent performances.

Nice to see him pointing out a few things to Mr Friend today as well about his inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: allenkevanastle on February 02, 2014, 06:30:21 PM
Earlier this season I said that CB was now a squad player after giving us good service. I was wrong. He was good against Everton, scored a screamer at Vile & was superb today. He will never have blistering pace but he is proving me so wrong by being an outstanding member of the team at the moment and in no way has he outlived his service to The Cause. I apologise CB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on February 02, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
3 games in his rightful and best position sees 3 excellent performances.

Nice to see him pointing out a few things to Mr Friend today as well about his inconsistencies.

Completely agree. He ran his heart out for the team and put in a numerous amount of important tackles and blocks throughout the match. Fantastic to see.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbatillidie on February 02, 2014, 06:49:36 PM
Still a very important member of the team, look a lot better with him playing. His set-pieces were annoying today though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on February 02, 2014, 06:51:04 PM
Chris is looking the part again which is great to see. :D
he played at a high tempo for the full 90 mins.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on February 02, 2014, 06:53:51 PM
Still a very important member of the team, look a lot better with him playing. His set-pieces were annoying today though.
.     Yes been shouting is corner to play left back but on today's performance an important part of the midfield
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on February 02, 2014, 06:54:18 PM
Earlier this season I said that CB was now a squad player after giving us good service. I was wrong. He was good against Everton, scored a screamer at Vile & was superb today. He will never have blistering pace but he is proving me so wrong by being an outstanding member of the team at the moment and in no way has he outlived his service to The Cause. I apologise CB.

Very much in agreement with this. I was calling for him to be dropped a month ago, but recently he has been superb.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
I don't understand the hype.  Mulumbu and Yacob are much better players for me.  Also, a fit Zoltan Gera is superior.  I don't know if Zolly's age and injuries have finally caught up with him?

CB is not a captain and not a natural leader.  It'll take time to get over the fact he joked with Villa players after that defeat.

Surely, we'll never make the mistake again of playing Morrison and Brunt in the same midfield line up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 07:50:20 PM
I don't understand the hype.  Mulumbu and Yacob are much better players for me.  Also, a fit Zoltan Gera is superior.  I don't know if Zolly's age and injuries have finally caught up with him?

CB is not a captain and not a natural leader.  It'll take time to get over the fact he joked with Villa players after that defeat.

Surely, we'll never make the mistake again of playing Morrison and Brunt in the same midfield line up.

Morrison was injured so I would expect he would have played if fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2014, 07:51:35 PM
Brunt and Morrison, both quality players imp
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on February 02, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Always been a big fan of Brunt.  Never understood the people who booed and never rated him.  Whether its out wide or in the middle I dont think hes let us down.

Today he was fantastic.  I think Mel is getting the best out of him at the minute and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on February 02, 2014, 07:53:27 PM
I don't understand the hype.  Mulumbu and Yacob are much better players for me.  Also, a fit Zoltan Gera is superior.  I don't know if Zolly's age and injuries have finally caught up with him?

CB is not a captain and not a natural leader.  It'll take time to get over the fact he joked with Villa players after that defeat.

Surely, we'll never make the mistake again of playing Morrison and Brunt in the same midfield line up.

The two players who had a hand in all of the goals that night? With Morrison assisting two and Brunt scoring one.

Sounds like an enormous mistake to have played them  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2014, 08:01:18 PM
I don't understand the hype.  Mulumbu and Yacob are much better players for me.  Also, a fit Zoltan Gera is superior.  I don't know if Zolly's age and injuries have finally caught up with him?

CB is not a captain and not a natural leader.  It'll take time to get over the fact he joked with Villa players after that defeat.

Surely, we'll never make the mistake again of playing Morrison and Brunt in the same midfield line up.

Mulumbu and Yacob both do different roles so the comparison is unfair.

I agree about Gera but I think Gera doesn't have the legs anymore.

Also, his performance today was that of a natural leader. He lead from the front. He put down a blueprint for his team-mates to follow. The role of a captain though is he really more off the field based nowadays rather than on the pitch.

Morrison and Brunt are two players who have gone under some kind of re-emergence under Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2014, 08:13:11 PM
The two players who had a hand in all of the goals that night? With Morrison assisting two and Brunt scoring one.

Sounds like an enormous mistake to have played them  ::)

Yes, but it's the lack of defensive work that's the worry for me.  You can say Villa scored 4 going the other way.

The closing down in midfield is handed over to Yacob and Mulumbu.  Is that fair for a relegation threatened side?

For me, playing Brunt and Morrison in tandem is a luxury we can ill afford.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on February 02, 2014, 08:21:22 PM
Yes, but it's the lack of defensive work that's the worry for me.  You can say Villa scored 4 going the other way.

The closing down in midfield is handed over to Yacob and Mulumbu.  Is that fair for a relegation threatened side?

For me, playing Brunt and Morrison in tandem is a luxury we can ill afford.

It was awful defending and individual mistakes that played a greater part rather than the lack of defensive work from the midfield.

They are two of our best players and both more than capable of closing down the ball. I can't really see who you would play instead of them who offers any more than they do defensively? Whilst not sacrificing their creativity which is what makes them our best players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 08:27:31 PM
Yes, but it's the lack of defensive work that's the worry for me.  You can say Villa scored 4 going the other way.

The closing down in midfield is handed over to Yacob and Mulumbu.  Is that fair for a relegation threatened side?

For me, playing Brunt and Morrison in tandem is a luxury we can ill afford.

But I thought the Villa loss was solely down to Lugano?? Now I find it's because Brunt and Morrison don't put a shift in?

Win as a team and lose as a team.

A few could take a leaf out of Brendan Rodgers book, who refused to condemn Kolo Toure for todays goal, labelling him brave for trying to play to the managers instructions of passing out from the back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2014, 08:47:50 PM
But I thought the Villa loss was solely down to Lugano?? Now I find it's because Brunt and Morrison don't put a shift in?

Win as a team and lose as a team.

A few could take a leaf out of Brendan Rodgers book, who refused to condemn Kolo Toure for todays goal, labelling him brave for trying to play to the managers instructions of passing out from the back.

Up to now, I've found the issue of not pressing the ball the most important factor in our dire league position.  Do you know CB wasn't part of the wins against Sunderland and Man U (50% of total league wins)?

Anyhow, Pepe Mel must make us a more effiecient closing down team than we've been.  Look at what Pulis has done at Crystal Palace with a team of less ability, simply by closing down all over the pitch and defending from the front.

Lugano was poor against Villa no doubt (and in these early days he doesn't look commanding).  However, another ref wouldn't have pointed to the spot.

I think on the whole this season our defence has been well organised and defended stoutly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 08:53:17 PM
Up to now, I've found the issue of not pressing the ball the most important factor in our dire league position.  Do you know CB wasn't part of the wins against Sunderland and Man U (50% of total league wins)?

Anyhow, Pepe Mel must make us a more effiecient closing down team than we've been.  Look at what Pulis has done at Crystal Palace with a team of less ability, simply by closing down all over the pitch and defending from the front.

Lugano was poor against Villa no doubt (and in these early days he doesn't look commanding).  However, another ref wouldn't have pointed to the spot.

I think on the whole this season our defence has been well organised and defended stoutly.

You mentioned Pulis as something to aspire to, the mind boggles, you sure your're an Albion fan? I'm honestly curious? Stoke-ball? No thanks I prefer watching footballers like Brunt and Mozza trying to play football the right way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 02, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
Brunt's played well lately and again today excepting a wasted free kick from a dangerous position.

Only thing I'll criticise him for was protesting his innocence to the ref after conceding what was a blatant free kick - Yacob did the same also. Almost laughable that they protested their innocence on those.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
You mentioned Pulis as something to aspire to, the mind boggles, you sure your're an Albion fan? I'm honestly curious? Stoke-ball? No thanks I prefer watching footballers like Brunt and Mozza trying to play football the right way.

I don't like Pulis particularly but I admire the guy for what he achieves on limited resources, nothing wrong with that.  It's all very well trying to play the right way, but that could be in the championship from next season.  Now that would be a come down from what we achieved in 2012/13.

I don't enjoy watching the likes of Stoke, my favourite other team is Barca.  Now that is proper football. 

I just feel we've held onto certain players for too long and the bottom line is we're not winning games.

You wouldn't have seen me giving Mowbray a standing ovation in 2009, just because we played passing football.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on February 02, 2014, 09:28:21 PM
I'd have taken Pulis as manager as I mentioned on another thread a while ago, purely because we needed to become a difficult team to beat again and he would have achieved that at the Albion.

Back on subject. I'm not Brunt's biggest fan by any means but he's performed really well over the last few games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 02, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
A more positive approach to our play is bringing the best out in Brunt not to mention playing wide left  ;) , touch wood but Brunt hasn't looked this good since Mowbray's top flight season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on February 02, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
I must admit that I haven't been a fan of Brunt's in recent seasons.  He always looked to be whinging and not enjoying his football at all, and his negative body language really didn't help his cause, especially as captain.

But today I saw something different.   I saw a smiling Brunt, with more positive body language, perhaps resulting from being played where he should be played.  Maybe he is trying to impress the new boss, but I liked what I saw.

Long may it continue.  If he creates the killer ball out of nowhere in enough of our remaining games then it may well be the difference between staying up and going down.  Now that he is out on the left, he is at last in the best position to do some damage, especially when Big Vic is on the pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 02, 2014, 10:11:02 PM
Not been massively convinced with Chris Brunt this season and at times throughout last season. However recently he has a lot looked better and I've been pleased that he has been starting, scored a great goal the other night at Villa. I really hope his good form can continue as he is always worth a goal to us either from him self or from a great set piece.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on February 02, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
Up to now, I've found the issue of not pressing the ball the most important factor in our dire league position.  Do you know CB wasn't part of the wins against Sunderland and Man U (50% of total league wins)?

Anyhow, Pepe Mel must make us a more effiecient closing down team than we've been.  Look at what Pulis has done at Crystal Palace with a team of less ability, simply by closing down all over the pitch and defending from the front.

Lugano was poor against Villa no doubt (and in these early days he doesn't look commanding).  However, another ref wouldn't have pointed to the spot.

I think on the whole this season our defence has been well organised and defended stoutly.

this is a good point,i thought our best results were without brunty in the team,he really is an enigma 2 months ago I never wanted him near the team,now im not so sure,he offers little in the pressing game but his assists can be quality,if he plays though we must have yacob and mulumbu both in the team to cover him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 02, 2014, 10:34:39 PM
I p nothing wrong with that.  It's all very well trying to play the right way, but that could be in the championship from next season.  Now that would be a come down from what we achieved in 2012/13.

I don't enjoy watching the likes of Stoke, my favourite other team is Barca.  Now that is proper football. 

I just feel we've held onto certain players for too long and the bottom line is we're not winning games.

You wouldn't have seen me giving Mowbray a standing ovation in 2009, just because we played passing football.
Not that limited?,in fact I'd say he's always outspent us?.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 02, 2014, 10:46:59 PM
He's been one of our best players recently and a few weeks ago I didn't want him in the team but he seems to have stepped it up a gear under Mel. Good idea with the free kick today too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 03, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
Him and Morrison look far better under Mel. Not sure Brunt has looked this good since Mowbray....
needs to play out wide needs chalk on his boots, hopefully with the likes of Gera and Big Vic in the team he can get some crosses in. Benefits from the left back bombing on so he can cross from deep.

whatever peoples views are about the captaincy he has it, and it wont change. Hes scored an absolute belter against the Villa and that might well be goal of the season.. Im glad him and Morrison are back in the fold and thriving under Mel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 03, 2014, 11:25:21 AM
It was a great goal against Villa - it was an instinctive strike.....think its better when its like that rather than him having time to think about it. Whenever he has time, he seems to try to fizz it and doesn't hit the target.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
The way I see it is Brunt is playing in his best position and enjoying a bit of a revival under Mel. I hope it continues prior to Mel's arrival his form varied between okay and poor but often in a position that exposed some of weaknesses and did little maximise his strengths.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 03, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
He's looked better last couple of games but he is no leader IMO. Joking with Villa players after the game last week was criminal. Remind me of how many games over the last couple of season that we have won with him in the side. Our best football comes without him continually slowing the play down. For me he has been a great servant and is a decent player but we need to move on without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Brilliant last night - the captain leading from the front.

Exceptional defensive performance covering every blade of grass whilst also offering us a great deal going forward. When he is in his best form, he is without doubt our best creative midfielder in my opinion. I was urging towards the side of letting him seek pastures new in the summer but if he can continue this revival under Pepe then I may be having a change of heart.

Good stuff captain, keep it going.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Yardley on February 12, 2014, 06:23:13 PM
I too thought he was great last night, really worked hard for the team. He can't do anything right in the eyes of the guy behind me who gives him dog abuse every week though. Really want him to bang a free kick in the top corner so it will shut him up, need him to stop letting Reid take most of them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on February 12, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
The big difference with Chris Brunt is he is being played in his proper position - wide
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 12, 2014, 08:42:35 PM
I think Chris Brunt has been playing much better since Pepe Mel took in charge, playing in his more naturally position, his set pieces aren't always great, but he has been playing better, hopefully he can add more goals to his game too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
Superb last night. Superb since Pepe came in.  :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2014, 11:18:14 PM
As i posted a few weeks back Brunt needs to find some consistency in his game , West Ham was his best game in months but he needs to back that up with a couple more good months play....all the talent is their in him we know that much.What his best position is in this squad I'm still not sure , great crosser of the ball but forward wise other than Gera and maybe Long we don't have much aerial threat in open play.
Really pleased to see consistency in his game at the minute , driving us on under Mel .
Really pleased for Brunt , keep it up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on February 13, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
Really pleased to see consistency in his game at the minute , driving us on under Mel .
Really pleased for Brunt , keep it up.

coudnt agree more Dexy. when he is on form he is one of the best passers in the PL
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 13, 2014, 12:52:57 PM
Amazing what a round peg in a round hole does. Best position has always been out wide and it shows, just need someone on the end of a few crosses now.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on February 13, 2014, 01:26:15 PM
Amazing what a round peg in a round hole does. Best position has always been out wide and it shows, just need someone on the end of a few crosses now.


hes even performing his captain duties better too or am i hoping
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 16, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
Pepe Mel is a genius playing a left winger left wing....
This about as good as we were getting from Brunt under Mowbray. If big vic can get on the end of some of them crosses or he can drive a few more screamers in il be extatic. Looks fired up under mel
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 17, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
theres a scary  mad woman at the rear centre of the brummie who blames him for everything , the shrill she gives out is frightening , more frightening is the fact that shes got a daughter , which means somebody has......... :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 17, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
theres a scary  mad woman at the rear centre of the brummie who blames him for everything , the shrill she gives out is frightening , more frightening is the fact that shes got a daughter , which means somebody has......... :D
Was'nt you was it ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MulumbuPower! on February 18, 2014, 03:10:52 PM
theres a scary  mad woman at the rear centre of the brummie who blames him for everything , the shrill she gives out is frightening , more frightening is the fact that shes got a daughter , which means somebody has......... :D

If its the same wide'ish woman I remember when she sat near the front left side of brume end during the Mowbray days. "You're sh*t Brunt!" every 30 seconds in front of her kids. She was happy as Larry when Dorran's was given a run.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 18, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
Was'nt you was it ;)
I'll resist the temptation. To lower the town and just say I'd have shut her up first  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 18, 2014, 09:52:17 PM
If its the same wide'ish woman I remember when she sat near the front left side of brume end during the Mowbray days. "You're sh*t Brunt!" every 30 seconds in front of her kids. She was happy as Larry when Dorran's was given a run.
Less wide , more wild
Looks like rod Stewarts pale twin sister.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stubba on February 21, 2014, 05:23:11 PM
Been a critic of his over last couple of seasons, must say he has been much improved of late. Credit where it's due, long May it continue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on February 21, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
Lets just see after tomorrow
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 23, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
Brunt has been close to MOM in every game since Pepe arrived IMO, he has really changed peoples opinion to a degree, even playing like a captain & leading by example, long may it continue because we are going to need those battling qualities for every one of the remaining games BUT the cynic in me is wondering why he has suddenly raised his game to a level where most Albion fans are being complimentary towards him instead of slagging him off, is it something Mr Mel has done or is he due new contract talks soon (told you I was being cynical) some might say he is being played in his best position (wide left) but he played most of the second half more centrally yesterday & still got MOM.

Food for thought. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 23, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
I still think we look a better side without him. How many of our wins over the last couple of seasons have been without him starting? Quite a few early last season and 2 of the 4 this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2014, 05:21:43 PM
Playing well because he's playing in his preffered position in a style that suits him more. Just a shame that no one even attempts to get on the end of the numerous brilliant crosses he puts in every single game.

Also consistently the only player in the entire squad who doesn't hide, which is to his eternal credit. Even when he's playing badly, he always makes himself available and is constantly wanting the ball. Always trying to create something than hide away. Baffles me in light of this why people don't understand why he's captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: section5 on February 23, 2014, 05:55:50 PM
I still think we look a better side without him. How many of our wins over the last couple of seasons have been without him starting? Quite a few early last season and 2 of the 4 this season.

seriously ? he's been playing out of position for many years and the influence on assists and goals have been as invaluable as the people scoring them, like every player/person in the world they can have a bad day at the office for some reason when he does he gets singled out,  he's invaluable to us and if we force him out we would miss him greatservant to the club very loyal
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 25, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
A word of praise for the skipper, one of very few who are stepping up when they are needed most. Who knows, he maybe one of those players behind the scnes who is unhappy, but if he is then he's doing a good job of hiding as he's putting in determined, fighting but also classy performances week in, week out. A lot tends to be made of him as Captain but I feel he's really stepping up to the plate, he's taking responsibility and leading by example. A few of our players could do a lot worse than look to him for some inspiration.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 26, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
A word of praise for the skipper, one of very few who are stepping up when they are needed most. Who knows, he maybe one of those players behind the scnes who is unhappy, but if he is then he's doing a good job of hiding as he's putting in determined, fighting but also classy performances week in, week out. A lot tends to be made of him as Captain but I feel he's really stepping up to the plate, he's taking responsibility and leading by example. A few of our players could do a lot worse than look to him for some inspiration.

Under Mel Brunt is actually playing like a captain.
hes playing dangerous passes and his crosses have been delicious- no one on the back post, another reason for either Gera or big vic to have more game time
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 26, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
A word of praise for the skipper, one of very few who are stepping up when they are needed most. Who knows, he maybe one of those players behind the scnes who is unhappy, but if he is then he's doing a good job of hiding as he's putting in determined, fighting but also classy performances week in, week out. A lot tends to be made of him as Captain but I feel he's really stepping up to the plate, he's taking responsibility and leading by example. A few of our players could do a lot worse than look to him for some inspiration.

When the going gets tough the tough get going. Maybe there's a reason that Brunt is Captain?  :-X

It's good to see Brunt getting recognition for playing well lately.

Here are some interesting stats to back it all up as well:

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/stat-attack-brunt-leads-from-front-1380073.aspx
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 26, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
Seem's to genuinely care, excellent since Mel came in. If he isn't keen on Mel's style he's certainly not showing it, which is how it should be. Though frankly you'd think Brunt is one of our few players that genuinely fits into a footballing team that treats players as more than robots and relies on technical ability.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 26, 2014, 03:14:52 PM
Seem's to genuinely care, excellent since Mel came in. If he isn't keen on Mel's style he's certainly not showing it, which is how it should be. Though frankly you'd think Brunt is one of our few players that genuinely fits into a footballing team that treats players as more than robots and relies on technical ability.

As I keep saying, we have other core players that need to follow suit. If I was Pepe I'd be tempted to drop them tbh. It seems as if they find it easier to shoot their mouths off rather than perform on the pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on February 26, 2014, 06:55:14 PM
I still think we look a better side without him. How many of our wins over the last couple of seasons have been without him starting? Quite a few early last season and 2 of the 4 this season.

seriously ? he's been playing out of position for many years and the influence on assists and goals have been as invaluable as the people scoring them, like every player/person in the world they can have a bad day at the office for some reason when he does he gets singled out,  he's invaluable to us and if we force him out we would miss him great servant to the club very loyal

I might get abuse for it, but I actually agree with Smethwickw. Brunt has rivalled Yacob and Foster as our best player over the last month or so, and yet I still feel he is a bit of a burden to the team.

I will use an example which is quite poor and misleading, but I can't think of another one at the moment. Imagine when you were at school, there was always the kid with lots of skill and pace who could dribble the ball around and take people on and was clearly he most talented [;ayer in the side but he didn't pas enough to his tea mats in space. On the other team you may have a load of average footballers however they worked better because there was more team work and harmony and they would actually end up winning more games, aided by the fact they didn't have the really skilful kid playing for them.

Just because a player is playing well, does not necessarily mean he makes the team better. That was certainly Mourinihos opinion of Juan Mata (right or wrong), in that he did not fit his own style of play and so sold him despite him being one of Chelsea's best players.

For me, Brunt is quite one dimensional. He does have a great eye for a through ball and adds a lot more assist than most in the team, and yet he rarely ventures down the wing and beats a man and gives the opposition defence a lot less to think about If you had 2 marauding wide men, their wingers are occupied making more space for the other players in the team to exploit, whereas at the moment Brunt sits quite deep and makes us look quite rigid.

Maybe in a 451 system this could be remedied and he has been successful in other winning premier league teams for us (I would never claim to be a tactical expert so can not tell), but it isn't helping in a 442.

Brunt has after all only featured in 2 of our 4 wins this season, and had played in nearly everyone of our last 18 games, where we have picked up 1 solitary win from the penalty spot. Stats can of course be misleading, but If you want t play a more fluid style with more avenues of attack, I think we might need to look at either 451, or simply moving Brunt out of the starting line up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on February 26, 2014, 09:36:22 PM
Not been his biggest fan over the last couple of years but it would be suicidal to take him out the team at the moment. I've been saying for a while that Mulumbu needs dropping, but with Yacob picking up his injury we can't afford to take him out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on February 26, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
I agree, I haven't been his biggest fan and we was decent at the start of the season when he weren't in the team, But his probably our best player at the minute, Not sure about his tracking back and helping Ridgewell though, Hodgson would have been making it vital he gave cover like he did with Thomas.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 26, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
If you look at the start of last season, five of our first 6 wins came without Brunt in the side. Generally we were playing a midfield 3 of Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison with Gera and Odemwingie out wide. We looked so much more fluid and playing with a much higher tempo. Brunt kills us at times. Generally when he receives the ball he always looks to stop and play the ball inside. It slows the game down far too often. He is the modern day Greening for me. A decent player and servant but we need to move on. We let Greening go and never looked back. Same needs to happen to Brunt too for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 26, 2014, 10:00:13 PM
If you look at the start of last season, five of our first 6 wins came without Brunt in the side. Generally we were playing a midfield 3 of Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison with Gera and Odemwingie out wide. We looked so much more fluid and playing with a much higher tempo. Brunt kills us at times. Generally when he receives the ball he always looks to stop and play the ball inside. It slows the game down far too often. He is the modern day Greening for me. A decent player and servant but we need to move on. We let Greening go and never looked back. Same needs to happen to Brunt too for me.

Totally agree.  We need Mulumbu and Yacob in the holding positions.  The 3 attacking midfielders for me must be Sessegnon, Gera and Amalfitano.  We've got to start pressing the opposition and breaking at pace.

Pepe Mel wants us to press higher up the pitch, we've got no chance with Brunt & Morrison on the teamsheet.  I reckon Brunty's lifted his game as he's now out of his comfort zone with a fresh manager in place and he's scared of being jettisoned.

Which players are doing the complaining?  We need to break this comfort zone clique before we are dumped in the championship.

Downing & Kiely - no thanks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 02, 2014, 09:05:19 AM
 i have been one of Brunty's biggest critics , but to be fair to him since Mel came in he has generally worked his socks off, and if he is one of the senior players not liking this new pressing style of Mel's then i can understand why , but all of these players need to get real, the best players and the winning teams all have one thing in common, they have a big work rate to add to their undoubted skills, classic example at the moment is Suarez if he ain't scoring them, he's making them he is always on the move.
So to stay in the premiership, switch on straight from the off, we have got to keep pressing high up the pitch, shoot a lot more than we are doing, rather than trying to walk the ball into the net, keep the full backs high up the pitch, I know Ridgewell a'int the best but at least its an extra body , get men and crosses into the box, the goals will come.
to my reckoning we will get away with 4 wins and a couple of draws keep the faith
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 03, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
Best left back at the club!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 04, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
Best left back at the club!

5 3 2

wingbacks brunt and amalfitano
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 04, 2014, 09:18:40 PM
Brunt has been one of the better performers since Pepe came in. Play people on form, and currently he's better than other options.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on March 07, 2014, 02:51:27 PM
Reportedly brunt and mozza have injuries for tomorrow from international duty and will be assessed in the morning..
Brunt would be a big loss if indeed he is out..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 07, 2014, 03:27:54 PM
Massive loss, he is our most important player at the moment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 07, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
Massive loss, he is our most important player at the moment.

Yet we won at Old Trafford without Brunt/Morrison in the team.

But I agree as of late Brunt has been playing well and the only one capable of seeing a pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on March 07, 2014, 06:51:07 PM
It's all a cover up. Just heard that brunt is tired. Tired my ass. and as for Morrison he can do one. It's all excuses
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 07, 2014, 07:23:40 PM
Yet we won at Old Trafford without Brunt/Morrison in the team.

But I agree as of late Brunt has been playing well and the only one capable of seeing a pass.

That was our best performance all season but i'm not sure the team that played that day has been the team since; anyone know?

We should go back to that team and formation ASAP.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 07, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
Does anyone really believe any player wouldn't want to play against Man Utd simply because they are tired? If he is missing the game it will be on the advice of the medical staff at the club. If the club have stated he is a doubt due to fatigue then then they have made a mistake not just putting it down to a knock, it doesn't take much for people to have a pop at Brunt without giving them ammunition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on March 07, 2014, 08:08:51 PM
Nothing against Brunt at all. He's been a great servant for us but I still say we are much better without him. Granted he's been playing well of late but it is a team game and as a team we are not working. Look at some of our better performances this season. Wins v Man Utd and Sunderland. A good draw (should have won easily) away at Stoke and at home against Arsenal where again we should have won comfortably. Brunt started none of these games. Even the start of last season 5 of our first 6 wins came without him starting. He slows the game down far too often. We play with a higher tempo and are a lot more fluid without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 06:31:28 PM
Only a fool would have played Brunt today after playing in Cyprus wed night.

If ever there was a time for starting Sessegnon it was today, but the guy only gets 30 mins.

Brunty knows if we go down there's still a job for him next season in the championship, his natural level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on March 08, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
Only a fool would have played Brunt today after playing in Cyprus wed night.

If ever there was a time for starting Sessegnon it was today, but the guy only gets 30 mins.

Brunty knows if we go down there's still a job for him next season in the championship, his natural level.

So only a fool would start a footballer twice in one week? Why? It was only fatigue that made him a doubt. Besides - he went off because he was challenged hard. Sess didn't even look match fit either. So where's the fool?!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
Only a fool would have played Brunt today after playing in Cyprus wed night.

If ever there was a time for starting Sessegnon it was today, but the guy only gets 30 mins.

Brunty knows if we go down there's still a job for him next season in the championship, his natural level.

He played in Cyprus, hardly the other side of the world is it ? he wouldn't have trained Thursday, would have done minimal yesterday so why shouldn't he play ? Utd players seemed okay, so did McAuley who was in the same game (albeit about 11 mins less)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 06:41:12 PM
It's mental and physical fatigue, travelling 9 hours on a plane, time differences etc.  Brunt is not a natural athlete anyway so to expect him to perform to 100% capacity today was foolish in the extreme.

We are way too slow in midfield and all the other teams know it.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 08, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
Nothing wrong with Brunts performance today and the injury wasnt down to fatigue.

Id argue only an idiot would have left him out hes been out stand out player for 3 months.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
Nothing wrong with Brunts performance today and the injury wasnt down to fatigue.

Id argue only an idiot would have left him out hes been out stand out player for 3 months.

Don't agree mate, he's not good enough.  He's the captain and we NEVER take the game to the opposition.  Was he in the team at Old Trafford?
Why can we never win with him (or Morrison) in the line-up?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2014, 06:50:37 PM
Like many he was poor today . What's the fascination with him . He has no pace , can't tackle , can't beat a man and don't create from free kicks or corners . One of our main midfield players and we can't win . Get yeah heads round it .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 08, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
Like many he was poor today . What's the fascination with him . He has no pace , can't tackle , can't beat a man and don't create from free kicks or corners . One of our main midfield players and we can't win . Get yeah heads round it .

Durrr. He's in the team for his exemplary leadership and captaining abilities.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 06:59:14 PM
Durrr. He's in the team for his exemplary leadership and captaining abilities.

What leadership exactly?  I could play for Albion and bark out instructions and encouragement but am I worth a place on that score alone?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on March 08, 2014, 07:00:23 PM
Only a fool would have played Brunt today after playing in Cyprus wed night.

If ever there was a time for starting Sessegnon it was today, but the guy only gets 30 mins.

Brunty knows if we go down there's still a job for him next season in the championship, his natural level.

Can you tell me what Sessegnon did in those 30mins?

Is he an idiot for playing Gmac as well?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
Like many he was poor today . What's the fascination with him . He has no pace , can't tackle , can't beat a man and don't create from free kicks or corners . One of our main midfield players and we can't win . Get yeah heads round it .

He's produced 5 assists this season - more than anybody else.

He produced 4 assists last season - the joint highest alongside Lukaku

He produced 6 assists in 2011/2012 - more than anybody else.

He produced 9 assists in 2010/2011  more than anybody else.

That is four seasons in a row where he has topped our assist charts. Since the introduction of Pepe Mel, he is one of two players to actually look like they care about what is happening at our club. He has lead from the front where others couldn't give a toss.

Gets unwarranted criticism from our supporters at times. He's having a period of good form and one OK-ish performance and people are jumping at him again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2014, 07:06:49 PM
It's mental and physical fatigue, travelling 9 hours on a plane, time differences etc.  Brunt is not a natural athlete anyway so to expect him to perform to 100% capacity today was foolish in the extreme.

We are way too slow in midfield and all the other teams know it.

Not a natural athlete ? i've been one of his biggest critics and I wish a few others put the effort in he does.

Takes around 4 and half hours on a plane from Cyprus. Boredom more than fatigue would be the problem.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2014, 07:08:43 PM
He's produced 5 assists this season - more than anybody else.

He produced 4 assists last season - the joint highest alongside Lukaku

He produced 6 assists in 2011/2012 - more than anybody else.

He produced 9 assists in 2010/2011  more than anybody else.

That is four seasons in a row where he has topped our assist charts. Since the introduction of Pepe Mel, he is one of two players to actually look like they care about what is happening at our club. He has lead from the front where others couldn't give a toss.

Gets unwarranted criticism from our supporters at times. He's having a period of good form and one OK-ish performance and people are jumping at him again.

He will top the assists given he takes most set pieces to be fair so stats can be misleading. Even saying that take the 10/11 season out and not much to shout about is it ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 07:08:48 PM
Can you tell me what Sessegnon did in those 30mins?

Is he an idiot for playing Gmac as well?



Mate we were 0-1 down AGAIN when he came on.  If he starts the game is 0-0, there's a better chance of him succeeding. 

Gmac is a better athlete than Brunt and generally is required to do less running as Central Defender.  Brunt is in the most demanding area of the field in terms of running.  Gmac is a fantastic reader of a game and therefore his positional sense means there is less requirement to run.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 07:12:19 PM
Mate we were 0-1 down AGAIN when he came on.  If he starts the game is 0-0, there's a better chance of him succeeding. 

Why is there?

Sessegnon had 30 minutes to show what he can do.

More than enough time and he did bugger all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 07:17:55 PM
Why is there?

Sessegnon had 30 minutes to show what he can do.

More than enough time and he did bugger all.

Well I happen to think Sessegnon is a fine footballer in the right team and system, I've seen evidence of it this season.  He deserves a run of matches IMO. 

On the other hand, I believe Brunt and Morrison are busted flushes and past their sell-by-date. 

Morrison and Brunt have had more minutes on the pitch than the likes of Sessegnon, Vydra, Sinclair, Gera, Dorrans etc. 

What have we got to show for it?  Our positon is dire and relegation is staring us in the face, yet we do nothing to change it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2014, 07:21:46 PM
Not bothered how many assists he's got . Like Reid Morrison ridge well we have not moved on . Take away the contributions of lukaku long and wingy in recent times and we would have gone down before .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
Well I happen to think Sessegnon is a fine footballer in the right team and system, I've seen evidence of it this season.  He deserves a run of matches IMO. 

On the other hand, I believe Brunt and Morrison are busted flushes and past their sell-by-date. 

Morrison and Brunt have had more minutes on the pitch than the likes of Sessegnon, Vydra, Sinclair, Gera, Dorrans etc. 

What have we got to show for it?  Our positon is dire and relegation is staring us in the face, yet we do nothing to change it.

Sessegnon has had a handful of good games and for the rest of his appearances he has flattered to deceive. In-fact, he is probably our most incosistent player and in terms of creativity has brought very little to the table - as well as missing several guilt edged chances which have cost us dearly as this season progresses.

There are reasons as to why Brunt has had more game time than the players you mention. One spent the early part of the season injured and has an horrific injury record, Sinclair and Vydra have also had injury spells and in the opportunities they were afforded have offered us very little. Sinclair has actually been a waste of a loan signing. Dorrans has had several runs in the Premier League and has failed to meet the required standard - he should have gone by now.

There are numerous reasons as to why we are where we are but I tell you, it's not because of Chris Brunt.

In-fact, had some of our other players showed some of the balls and effort Brunty has lately we wouldn't be in this bloody mess - are you going to criticise them or are you just saving your blame game purely for the captain?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 07:26:54 PM
Not bothered how many assists he's got . Like Reid Morrison ridge well we have not moved on . Take away the contributions of lukaku long and wingy in recent times and we would have gone down before .

So you say he doesn't create but when you're given the statistics (that prove he does create) you're not interested. Brilliant.

As for your final sentence, that point is pretty redundant. Had you taken away Rooney and Van Persie away from Man United last season they wouldn't have won the league.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on March 08, 2014, 07:30:57 PM
Mate we were 0-1 down AGAIN when he came on.  If he starts the game is 0-0, there's a better chance of him succeeding. 

Gmac is a better athlete than Brunt and generally is required to do less running as Central Defender.  Brunt is in the most demanding area of the field in terms of running.  Gmac is a fantastic reader of a game and therefore his positional sense means there is less requirement to run.

Brunt is 5 years younger for a start and one of our players who gives the most effort, doesn't often leave his full back exposed like some of the other wide men we have, brunt always puts a shift in and if you had the stats I would imagine he is up there with distant covered in every games so how can you say he isn't a natural athlete I don't know.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 07:31:57 PM
Sessegnon has had a handful of good games and for the rest of his appearances he has flattered to deceive. In-fact, he is probably our most incosistent player and in terms of creativity has brought very little to the table - as well as missing several guilt edged chances which have cost us dearly as this season progresses.

There are reasons as to why Brunt has had more game time than the players you mention. One spent the early part of the season injured and has an horrific injury record, Sinclair and Vydra have also had injury spells and in the opportunities they were afforded have offered us very little. Sinclair has actually been a waste of a loan signing. Dorrans has had several runs in the Premier League and has failed to meet the required standard - he should have gone by now.

There are numerous reasons as to why we are where we are but I tell you, it's not because of Chris Brunt.

In-fact, had some of our other players showed some of the balls and effort Brunty has lately we wouldn't be in this bloody mess - are you going to criticise them or are you just saving your blame game purely for the captain?

You talk about "Showing Balls and Effort" from Chris Brunt and sure as hell the bloke does try.  But I remember the days when Brunt DID have quality.  Fantastic crosses and corners resulting in headed goals and thunderbolts from outside of the area.  But when does it happen now?

Effort is not enough in the Premier League, you can run all day, it's quality that counts and we're suffering from a lack of it.

I can't see any difference between the respective ability of Dorrans and Brunt (both are too slow).  I believe Sinclair suffers from a lack of desire although some quality is there.

I think Vydra has been harshly dealt with and is a player who I rate highly.  Please sign him up.

I think Sessegnon is our most talented offensive player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on March 08, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
I am not just complaining about brunt . If we go down will anyone come in for him. Reid Gera ridge well Morrison in fact most of the side if we go down won't be sold to premier clubs . The only class act is Gera and he is too old . We have to have a clear out .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 08, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
Brunt is 5 years younger for a start and one of our players who gives the most effort, doesn't often leave his full back exposed like some of the other wide men we have, brunt always puts a shift in and if you had the stats I would imagine he is up there with distant covered in every games so how can you say he isn't a natural athlete I don't know.

I intended to steer clear of this debate but I have to comment on the highlighted part: Ridgewell was exposed countless times today, often left 2 on 1.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 07:42:59 PM
You talk about "Showing Balls and Effort" from Chris Brunt and sure as hell the bloke does try.  But I remember the days when Brunt DID have quality.  Fantastic crosses and corners resulting in headed goals and thunderbolts from outside of the area.  But when does it happen now?

Effort is not enough in the Premier League, you can run all day, it's quality that counts and we're suffering from a lack of it.

I can't see any difference between the respective ability of Dorrans and Brunt (both are too slow).  I believe Sinclair suffers from a lack of desire although some quality is there.

I think Vydra has been harshly dealt with and is a player who I rate highly.  Please sign him up.

I think Sessegnon is our most talented offensive player.

It was more a counter point to your not a natural athlete.

His fantastic crossing and corners are evident every week. The only problem we have is that nobody is willing enough to get themselves on the box to get on the end of them. Had our players have an ounce of desire to get into the box and header the ball then those goals from crosses might happen more regularly. In-fact, it is quite infuriating to watch Brunt deliver a superb cross only for the likes of Berahino, Anichebe and Gera to stand motionless as the delivery goes flying past them.

Sessegnon might be our most talented offensive player - despite being highly inconsistent. In-fact, he can only really occupy one position because he cannot be trusted to help out defensively - hence why is he played behind the forward. Matej Vydra, for me, has not shown enough to even contemplate being signed permanently at the end of the season. He is another who when has had a chance to start has offered very little and on his last start ended up being hauled off at half time due to his inability to effect the game, hold the ball up or play a pass to a team-mate - all of which Anichebe did effectively in the following second half.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 08, 2014, 07:53:10 PM
It was more a counter point to your not a natural athlete.

His fantastic crossing and corners are evident every week. The only problem we have is that nobody is willing enough to get themselves on the box to get on the end of them. Had our players have an ounce of desire to get into the box and header the ball then those goals from crosses might happen more regularly. In-fact, it is quite infuriating to watch Brunt deliver a superb cross only for the likes of Berahino, Anichebe and Gera to stand motionless as the delivery goes flying past them.

Sessegnon might be our most talented offensive player - despite being highly inconsistent. In-fact, he can only really occupy one position because he cannot be trusted to help out defensively - hence why is he played behind the forward. Matej Vydra, for me, has not shown enough to even contemplate being signed permanently at the end of the season. He is another who when has had a chance to start has offered very little and on his last start ended up being hauled off at half time due to his inability to effect the game, hold the ball up or play a pass to a team-mate - all of which Anichebe did effectively in the following second half.

I obviously disagree with you but it's important for me to acknowledge the worth of your own opinion.

If we go down (which now seems likely) then I tend to look at who's played the most matches and look towards those individuals as not forming an effective team unit.  How can you look at it any other way?

Those core individuals have not performed as a collective this season and must be deemed as not effective enough.  It can be argued all day which of those are players are Good, Average or Bad.

Anyone playing less than half of the games or handful of games have the right to state they may not have had enough of an opportunity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 08, 2014, 08:00:38 PM
I intended to steer clear of this debate but I have to comment on the highlighted part: Ridgewell was exposed countless times today, often left 2 on 1.

You could say many a time Brunt has played his always left Ridgewell exposed, And it's always Ridgewell bombing forward getting cross's in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 08, 2014, 10:50:09 PM
Brunt's played well lately but disappointing that he fluffed that early free kick today. We are crying out for positive starts at the moment yet we made 2 or 3 mistakes early on today and before long were on the back foot again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: graka on March 08, 2014, 11:57:21 PM
The one thing you can't aim at brunt is lack of effort. However when we set up to counter attack I think having brunt and amalfitano out wide offers us no threat and couple that with Gera even though Gera had a decent 2nd half today offers no pace.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 09, 2014, 12:09:05 AM
The one thing you can't aim at brunt is lack of effort. However when we set up to counter attack I think having brunt and amalfitano out wide offers us no threat and couple that with Gera even though Gera had a decent 2nd half today offers no pace.

We all know this. At least Brunty can hit long range passes to make up for his lack of pace.

The basic problem remains the same, this squad needed a major overhaul in the summer for a number of reasons (stagnant lazy core players, unbalanced squad, lost quality players, aging players, weak positions needed upgrade etc) but it only got made worse by inept decisions.

I'm not blaming Brunty but some of our other core players are just happy to lift their fat pay checks atm.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 09, 2014, 01:13:03 PM
One thing I dislike about Brunt, especially as captain, is he very often concedes a clear free kick then has a quick rant at the ref and throws his arms about even though it was a correct decision.
I'm not a fan of dissent when the wrong decision is made but to show dissent when the correct decision has been made is pretty rubbish from the captain. Latest example was the foul on Rafael that gave the free kick for the first goal yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on March 09, 2014, 08:02:02 PM
Brunt doesn't defend leaving the fullback exposed, happens every game. He's slow and spends most of the match mouthing off at the ref. Yet he plays every game. Just one problem of many. Everybody has slated Sinclair this season but he's yet to have been given a decent run in the team. 45 minutes and then he was subbed if I remember correctly was his last outing. Ridiculous that we are in March with a big squad and the likes of Vydra and Sinclair still have not been given a run in the team. It's no use playing them for the odd game and the current lot have failed consistently.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on March 09, 2014, 11:29:18 PM
Brunt is one of our best players, let down by not having the quality to play alongside him. Sessegnon is a waste of space, more chance of scoring if he keeps his eyes shut and his back to goal; who the hell bought him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 10, 2014, 12:22:55 AM
Brunt doesn't defend leaving the fullback exposed, happens every game. He's slow and spends most of the match mouthing off at the ref. Yet he plays every game. Just one problem of many. Everybody has slated Sinclair this season but he's yet to have been given a decent run in the team. 45 minutes and then he was subbed if I remember correctly was his last outing. Ridiculous that we are in March with a big squad and the likes of Vydra and Sinclair still have not been given a run in the team. It's no use playing them for the odd game and the current lot have failed consistently.

I disagree, I think Ridgewell is that bad that he makes Brunt look worse than he is. For instance, there were 2 occasions when Ridgewell was in an advanced position and panicked, resulting in diving which lead to 2 United counters - I think he's just so unconfident that it makes Brunt look bad. If you focus on his movement too, Ridgewell will rarely get forward and if he gets the ball he will instantly look to offload it, often playing Brunt into trouble with a rushed, silly pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 10, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
I disagree, I think Ridgewell is that bad that he makes Brunt look worse than he is. For instance, there were 2 occasions when Ridgewell was in an advanced position and panicked, resulting in diving which lead to 2 United counters - I think he's just so unconfident that it makes Brunt look bad. If you focus on his movement too, Ridgewell will rarely get forward and if he gets the ball he will instantly look to offload it, often playing Brunt into trouble with a rushed, silly pass.
Ridgewell was fouled on both occasions and would have got a free kick from most referees (and if he had been in a Man U shirt would also probably have got the free kick)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on March 10, 2014, 10:34:59 PM
Just as an aside, but still on the topic of Chris Brunt, I thought that it was disappointing that it was Ben Foster who spoke to the press to deny that the players were rebelling against Pepe Mel. It needed to be said certainly, but it would have been better coming from the captain imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 10, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Just as an aside, but still on the topic of Chris Brunt, I thought that it was disappointing that it was Ben Foster who spoke to the press to deny that the players were rebelling against Pepe Mel. It needed to be said certainly, but it would have been better coming from the captain imo.
Possibly getting treatment on the injury  you would think.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: freddy73 on March 11, 2014, 01:08:42 PM
Mate of mine told me that he'd spoken to Bomber at a charity do not to long ago, & Bomber claimed he would've scored at least 100 more goals if he'd played with Chris Brunt. Said he consistently puts the right balls in exactly the right place & can't believe no one is prepared to gamble to get on the end of them. Interesting comments if they are what Bomber said (& I've no reason to disbelieve my mate) - 279 goals from midfield adds a lot of weight to your opinions.............
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on March 11, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
Mate of mine told me that he'd spoken to Bomber at a charity do not to long ago, & Bomber claimed he would've scored at least 100 more goals if he'd played with Chris Brunt. Said he consistently puts the right balls in exactly the right place & can't believe no one is prepared to gamble to get on the end of them. Interesting comments if they are what Bomber said (& I've no reason to disbelieve my mate) - 279 goals from midfield adds a lot of weight to your opinions.............

You can see what he was getting at, Brunt's quality of pass and so on, but I can't help thinking Bomber must have forgotten he played with Bobby Hope, Asa Hartford, Johnny Giles, Bryan Robson...they could all pick a pass you know.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mansell100 on March 12, 2014, 07:54:15 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albions-chris-brunt-6802331? (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albions-chris-brunt-6802331?)

Albion's Chris Brunt ruled out for up to six weeks with knee injury

Skipper set to miss most of Albion run-in after suffering medial ligament damage in defeat to Manchester United

West Bromwich Albion have been dealt a huge blow in their relegation battle with Chris Brunt ruled out by a knee injury for five to six weeks.

The captain was forced off in the second half of last Saturday’s game with Manchester United and subsequent scans have shown up medial ligament damage.

The injury will sideline him for much of the rest of the season with Albion certainly deprived of the player for the four crucial matches coming next against fellow bottom-half dwellers Swansea, Hull, Cardiff and Norwich.

Brunt has been one of the better players during the difficult start to Pepe Mel’s reign and he is certainly a man the manager would have wanted as a fixture in his team during the run-in.

Mel has other injury concerns as he prepares his team for the visit to Swansea on Saturday.

Claudio Yacob (tight hamstring) and Steven Reid (knee) both remain under treatment after hobbling off against United and will need fitness tests later in the week.

Whether Billy Jones will be back in the mix against the Swans remains to be seen.


He is making good progress in his recovery from the hamstring tear he picked up in the 1-1 draw with Fulham 18 days ago but Saturday’s match might come too soon for him.

One player definitely unavailable is Diego Lugano. The Uruguayan will be sidelined for three to four weeks due to the medial ligament damage he suffered on international duty last week.

Injuries are the last thing the under-pressure manager needs but, having seen his side predictably beaten by Manchester United, Mel can now confront a string of games against opposition Albion should be able to match, if not beat.

Swansea are only four points and three places ahead of the Baggies and would be reeled deep into the relegation scrap if they are defeated on Saturday.

But they could be boosted by the long-awaited return of talismanic attacking midfielder Michu. The Spaniard has missed the last ten weeks with an ankle injury but has returned to training and Swans head coach Garry Monk hopes the 27-year-old will be back in contention for the weekend.

“He has had a good response since having the injection a fortnight ago,” said Swans’ physio Richard Buchanan.

“We have still got to manage his return carefully but he is champing at the bit to play as soon as possible.”

Swans midfielder Pablo Hernandez is also back in training after limping off against Crystal Palace with a tight hamstring, while Jonjo Shelvey is expected to return to full training on Friday following a hamstring problem.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on March 12, 2014, 08:40:02 AM
This a big blow as Brunt has been one of our best players and he seems to be one of the few who are up for the battle.

However it may be a blessing in disguise as for whatever reason we do get better results when he doesnt play, and i think sometimes he does slow our play down so by him been out it gives somebody the chance to come in and make the place their own.

I would think Sinclair would be the obvious choice, what a way to kickstart his Albion career against his old team saturday but the fact he very rarely even makes the squad, despite a few injuries to other players maybe means he isnt such an obvious choice!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 12, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
Brunt has been our best player since Mel arrived, this is a huge disappointment we will get him back for the last 3 games of the season if we are lucky. The obvious replacement is Sinclair if we can find him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on March 12, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
Man Ure were far too physical >:(l
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on March 12, 2014, 09:37:37 AM
Huge blow.  Our best player recently and arguably our player of the season.

Replacement?  Sinclair, Thievy, Berahino?

God help us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 12, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
Huge blow , by far our best player under Mel and it means we are now stuck with Morgan doing as he likes.
Time for Morrison to stand up and be counted as our most senior midfielder.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 12, 2014, 09:55:38 AM
Chance for Graham Dorrans to impress.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mrvulgarity on March 12, 2014, 11:29:21 AM
Chance for Graham Dorrans to impress.

Agreed
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 12, 2014, 12:06:34 PM
At least we now get to see if those who say we are a better side without him are right or not. Think its a massive blow personally, probably one of the only players that has shown he gives a toss.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 12, 2014, 12:13:30 PM
Chance for Graham Dorrans to impress.

Dorrans won't impress if he's played out wide on the left (and neither would Morrison). He's played there before and never looked comfortable. I think it'll be Sessegnon or Thievy who gets the nod in that position, although it won't do anything for us defensively.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 12, 2014, 12:15:49 PM
I just hope Morrison isn't put out there to replace him, Gutted as he has played well recently but he does leave Ridgewell exposed a lot unlike Thomas under Hodgson, So I'd go with a more defence minded player as we need to get tight and compact.

Probably go with either Gera or Berahino, We did well earlier in the season when Brunt wasn't even in the team so not as bad as could be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on March 12, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
Maybe Popov in left midfield is worth a go?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Avonbaggie on March 12, 2014, 02:27:27 PM
Maybe Popov in left midfield is worth a go?

Yep. With the other teams crying with laughter we might have a chance of scoring! Think you may be on to something!!  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Not only our best player under Mel, but a real dearth of replacements for him. It's either a case of playing a central midfielder out wide with Morrison (who's never really effective like that), or playing one of the strikers there, which again has been a terrible tactic so far.

Perhaps Sinclair will get one final chance, left wing is his position. Although the fact he's not even been making it on as a sub recently should tell you everything you need to know about how rated he is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 12, 2014, 07:51:54 PM
Although I don't like to see any Albion player get injured, I'm actually pleased at this news.

I don't believe Mel was prepared to drop him but fate has intervened.  Let's see how we get on over these next few weeks.  If we can get a few points under our belts then the notion that we perform better / achieve more without Brunt will be there for all to see.

I want to see a fearless Albion team bombing forward with pace up front, this is what the EPL is all about.  Essentially, what we've been doing up to now is trying to "out-football" teams with better footballers and it has failed miserably.  This is exactly the same thing England do when confronted by Spain, Holland, Germany, Italy etc.  And also what Mowbray tried to do a few years ago.

We need to go more direct IMO and get the ball into the channels and across the 6 yard box.  Let's see if the likes of Sess, Thievy, Vydra can perform?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 12, 2014, 08:52:01 PM
Terrible news.

He is the only player who has looked comfortable with Pepe Mel's methods, furthermore when you add in his ability and composure with the ball, in a side lacking severely in both of those areas then he will be a very big miss. Our replacements are hardly inspiring either given they are all lacking in form and have as a collective unit offered next to nothing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 12, 2014, 10:15:39 PM
Disappointing given he has just found the form we know he is capable of in his rightful position and under Mel only he and YACOB are the only TWO who have shown any consistency. As a replacement its difficult to guess who will come in as the only natural player in that position is Sinclair who's loan has not been a success for one reason or another.

United did a job on us, only defensive midfielder we have, they crocked, only natural left sided midfielder, they crocked. Best two players under Mel, they crocked.

Whoever comes in with the exception of Berahino or a Gera/ Morrison / Amalfitano shift around is going to be suffering from lack of game time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on March 16, 2014, 10:49:34 AM
It's no coincidence that we only tend to win when Brunt doesn't play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zac on March 16, 2014, 11:25:45 AM
It's no coincidence that we only tend to win when Brunt doesn't play.

Think that may be a bit unfair mate. Im not afraid to say i was calling for Brunt to be dropped before Mel took over but he's proven me wrong and id argue he's been our best player in recent games. Thats why I'm not a football manager!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 16, 2014, 12:50:14 PM
Its a strange one. One of the most improved players under Mel but 4 of our 5 wins this season have come without him. Second half yesterday we broke much quicker and the 3 in midfield all played well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on March 16, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
Its a strange one. One of the most improved players under Mel but 4 of our 5 wins this season have come without him. Second half yesterday we broke much quicker and the 3 in midfield all played well.

I've been saying the same thing for a while now regards to the higher tempo we play without Brunt. I've always rated him as an individual but he doesn't help us as a team. The stats speak for themself. His absence is a blessing IMO and will A. Save our Prem status and B. Save Mel his job.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on March 16, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
In the system we played yesterday though brunt would surely be a better option than Ridgewell.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Brummie Road on March 16, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
It's no coincidence that we only tend to win when Brunt doesn't play.

In the interests of balance, we have drawn a number of matches against some of the best sides in the Prem (one of which we clearly should have won at Chelsea) where Chris Brunt has played a key role.

While I wouldn't class myself as Brunt's biggest fan, I sometimes feel some of the flak he gets is a little harsh.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 16, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
I'm sorry but we are a far better outfit with Brunt not there.

If you look how quick Swansea pass and move, that must be the template we need to match.

He simply slows the play down too much and allows the opposition to get numbers behind the ball.

It's shocking this hasn't been addressed by the coaching staff over many weeks and months.



Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on March 17, 2014, 10:40:05 PM
brunt has been our best player since pepe arrived but when hes out we usually win
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 17, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
Yeah he would have slowed our movement down against Swansea as his more a long passer or through ball type not quick one two's or inter-changing like the 3 in the middle Saturday. Also Ridgewell had the whole left side to himself and didn't have to worry about Brunt leaving his exposed.

We do win without him in the team, But he has also looked good when played recently.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on March 17, 2014, 11:50:38 PM
Not sure where this whole 'we win when Brunt doesn't play' rubbish has come from, but it doesn't appear to be true this year. We won without him on Saturday, as we did against Sunderland and United. However, two of our five wins this year came in games Brunt started, both of which saw him involved in key incidents. Against Palace he put in the corner for McAuley to score the second to kill the game off, whilst against Newcastle he played a superb through ball into Vydra who was brought down for the winning penalty.

Even at the weekend I'd say we won in spite of his absence, not because of it! With Brunt missing we had no real wide left option bar the totally ineffective Sinclair or the out of position more interested in Instagram than football Berahino which forced us to change to a system which did, particularly in the first half, seemed to cause us all sorts of problems. Even though we won, we didn't really create many absolute clean cut chances, both of the goals were opportunistic long range efforts. Brunt can be frustrating like any player, but he's worth his weight in gold for us right now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on March 18, 2014, 12:02:51 AM
I'm sorry but we are a far better outfit with Brunt not there.

If you look how quick Swansea pass and move, that must be the template we need to match.

He simply slows the play down too much and allows the opposition to get numbers behind the ball.

It's shocking this hasn't been addressed by the coaching staff over many weeks and months.
.   You can't blame Brunt for the 1st half debacle. If we are going to play with the wing back formation ,surly he's a better option than Ridgewell
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 18, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
In the interests of balance, we have drawn a number of matches against some of the best sides in the Prem (one of which we clearly should have won at Chelsea) where Chris Brunt has played a key role.

While I wouldn't class myself as Brunt's biggest fan, I sometimes feel some of the flak he gets is a little harsh.

Horses for courses then? Play him when he will suit the opponents style of play? That'd require us to make someone else captain realistically though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on March 18, 2014, 02:13:54 AM
He is one of the best players at the club and will be a key figure next season for us if we manage to stay up.

Shame he isn't in the dressing room and on the training pitch at the moment, his leadership (which every head coach has seen) is vital whilst we are struggling at the wrong end of the table.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 18, 2014, 07:42:01 AM
It's all speculation as we can't really know what people are like but as captain he does have his flaws. Sometimes his body language isn't great plus I don't like his habit of throwing his arms about and having a snap at the ref when he's pulled up after commiting a clear foul.

Who knows, maybe just maybe it does the team good to have a different voice when Brunt is out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 18, 2014, 06:12:53 PM
He is one of the best players at the club and will be a key figure next season for us if we manage to stay up.

Shame he isn't in the dressing room and on the training pitch at the moment, his leadership (which every head coach has seen) is vital whilst we are struggling at the wrong end of the table.

*In your opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 18, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
Brunt would be a disaster at left back.  He'd be slower than Ridgewell, smaller for heading the ball from corners and is not the best tackler.

No one is doubting Brunt can put through killer passes but you rarely see him score anymore and his set-pieces have deteriorated.

Also what people fail to recognise is that we CONCEDE chances to the opposition because CB is very limited without the ball. 

Finally, Olsson is a much better leader and captain.

I firmly believe we would have been relegated with Brunt and Morrison continuing to occupy the same midfield.

Now I'm sure we're going to complete this survival job in double quick time.  I think Sess and Mulumbu will supply the fireworks for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on March 18, 2014, 07:58:22 PM
*In your opinion.

I did not realize we are supposed to post other peoples opinions on a message board!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 18, 2014, 09:10:39 PM
I did not realize we are supposed to post other peoples opinions on a message board!

My reply was unduly flippant. Allow me to expand:

The post I quoted was very matter of fact - I would like to put forward an alternative viewpoint.

Some, including myself, would argue that the team is more dynamic and effective when Brunt is not present. Chris has a habit of slowing play down and the defensive aspect of his game leaves a lot to be desired. Moreover, I would encourage the club to move on Chris Brunt next season, if we were to stay up, as I think it would be a progressive step to do so. However, I realise this is merely my opinion and can be challenged like any other.

For the record, Chris has recently been in good form individually; results haven't really been affected though. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 18, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
Finally, Olsson is a much better leader and captain.

That would be the Jonas Olsson who loses his rag every other week? The same Olsson who can only play 3 passes out of the back, and 2 of them go straight to the opposition? People have been saying it should have been Olsson for years, and he's captained the team when Brunt has been out, but there is a reason he's not been given the job full time, and I'm guessing his temper.

We can't say what Brunt is like behind the scenes, none of us have been there. From what I have seen, the way he conducts himself off the pitch is like a leader and he seems a classy guy. How many managers have to make him captain, and how many goals does he have to create, before his detractors see him for what he truly is?

This stat that we lose more when he's in the team; he is in the team more often than not, so of course you're going to see a higher loss percentage with him in it. And lets not forget, we didn't score a goal in the opening three games this season with him not in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on March 19, 2014, 12:27:06 AM
My reply was unduly flippant. Allow me to expand:

The post I quoted was very matter of fact - I would like to put forward an alternative viewpoint.

Some, including myself, would argue that the team is more dynamic and effective when Brunt is not present. Chris has a habit of slowing play down and the defensive aspect of his game leaves a lot to be desired. Moreover, I would encourage the club to move on Chris Brunt next season, if we were to stay up, as I think it would be a progressive step to do so. However, I realise this is merely my opinion and can be challenged like any other.

For the record, Chris has recently been in good form individually; results haven't really been affected though.

We all know he splits opinion amongst us 50/50.

I just think the fact that the last 4 head coaches and now a fifth picked him practically every week when fit and allowed him to hold the captaincy speaks volumes about who maybe knows best about Brunt's abilities.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Yardley on March 19, 2014, 09:48:37 AM
I really wish we would try Brunt at left back or wing back I think he would be a lot more useful than Ridgewell. We really need a quick tricky winger who can help us counter attack and Brunt is not that type of player as he can sometimes slow the game down but he offers too much to be dropped with his corners, free kicks and splitting balls. At left back he could still offer us that and can over lap to put some decent crosses in, he would be a good option for Foster to throw to and although he may not be a better defender than Ridgewell He is faster and is maybe better with his head.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on March 19, 2014, 10:08:56 AM
I really wish we would try Brunt at left back or wing back... At left back he could still offer us that and can over lap to put some decent crosses in, he would be a good option for Foster to throw to and although he may not be a better defender than Ridgewell He is faster and is maybe better with his head.

I'm a fan of Brunt myself, but we are shockingly weak down the left side of our defence, so if you really think he would be a worse defender than Ridgwell, why would you play Brunt there? By that logic we become weaker and even more exposed surely?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Yardley on March 19, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
I don't think Brunt being played instead of Ridgewell would make us anymore weaker than it already is, I just think it would make us more creative. For me Ridgewell is out of form and needs to be dropped. Makes no difference now anyway whilst Brunts injured as id rather Ridgewell than Popov.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 19, 2014, 02:42:51 PM
The problem is, despite Brunts obvious strengths on the ball, he lacks defensive capabilities. Whichever side of the field he plays, the full back is often left exposed with the consequence of more crosses coming into the box and therefore conceding more goals.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on March 19, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
I don't think Brunt being played instead of Ridgewell would make us anymore weaker than it already is, I just think it would make us more creative. For me Ridgewell is out of form and needs to be dropped. Makes no difference now anyway whilst Brunts injured as id rather Ridgewell than Popov.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ridgewell is shocking, but I just don't see the logic in saying that Brunt is a worse defender than him but drop Ridgewell anyway and play Brunt in his left back position.

And as for making us more creative, I can't see it honestly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Yardley on March 19, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think Ridgewell is shocking, but I just don't see the logic in saying that Brunt is a worse defender than him but drop Ridgewell anyway and play Brunt in his left back position.

And as for making us more creative, I can't see it honestly.
what I should have said is when on form Ridgewell is a better defender but he has been shocking for a while now and I feel if we are to continue with playing 3-5-2 than Brunt would be better suited as he offers us more going forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 19, 2014, 08:27:56 PM
That would be the Jonas Olsson who loses his rag every other week? The same Olsson who can only play 3 passes out of the back, and 2 of them go straight to the opposition? People have been saying it should have been Olsson for years, and he's captained the team when Brunt has been out, but there is a reason he's not been given the job full time, and I'm guessing his temper.

We can't say what Brunt is like behind the scenes, none of us have been there. From what I have seen, the way he conducts himself off the pitch is like a leader and he seems a classy guy. How many managers have to make him captain, and how many goals does he have to create, before his detractors see him for what he truly is?

This stat that we lose more when he's in the team; he is in the team more often than not, so of course you're going to see a higher loss percentage with him in it. And lets not forget, we didn't score a goal in the opening three games this season with him not in the team.

Brunt wants to be captain because it's a vehicle for him getting picked.  His on pitch body language is terrible, moaning at referees and dropping his head when Albion concede.  Plus throwing his hands in the air to blame others.

Brunt has no natural position within a football team anymore.  He can't be a winger because he has no pace / trick to beat a player / cuts infield.  He can't be a central midfielder because he hasn't the legs / one dimensional in not being able to tackle.  He can't be a left back because he can't tackle / lacks height / lack of previous experience.

I'm astounded to find Albion supporters ignoring the correlation between a Brunt / Morrison combo and drawn / lost matches.  How on earth were we going to stay up?  Sessegnon is a better player by far.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on March 19, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
Give the Brunt bashing a rest lads, ffs. Ye're all like an pack of oul whinging women.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2014, 09:30:15 PM
Give the Brunt bashing a rest lads, ffs. Ye're all like an pack of oul whinging women.

Wheres the bashing ? its a forum for discussion and this topic is Chris Brunt. No bashing, no abuse, just discussion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 19, 2014, 10:08:53 PM
Wheres the bashing ? its a forum for discussion and this topic is Chris Brunt. No bashing, no abuse, just discussion.

I disagree. Brunt wants to be captain because it's a vehicle for him getting picked. - GREGMT. That sentence is just slander.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2014, 10:16:16 PM
Thats something you'll have to ask GREGMT to explain, its his view on the topic on the forum which is the whole point of the forum.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on March 19, 2014, 10:30:42 PM
Always thought the captaincy is used as a bit of a stick to hit Brunty with. You see plenty of posts or tweets or whatever saying 'Brunt doesn't shout enough' and 'he's not a good enough on pitch leader'. You also see plenty of people saying stuff like 'Olssob is a better leader, he shouts loads' or whatever it may be.

People are entitled to think what they like, but I've always had an issue with these statements. Firstly, there's an assumption that the best 'leader' is the one who appears to be shouting the most, talking to the other players the most. Now, this may well be true, but it may not be. None of us are Premier League footballers, we don't know how that group of players work. Maybe they prefer a more restrained captain? They are all experienced enough, maybe someone in their ear every 5 minutes is frustrating rather than helpful. You can lead in plenty of other ways. Brunt is a superb professional, second longest serving outfield player who represents the club superbly. He knows what it means to play for the club and has the respect of all the other players. Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke, Downing and now Mel have all retained him as captain, they can't all be wrong? I am positive that in the dressing room, in training, in the hotels, team meetings or whatever it may be Brunt is respected and experienced enough to contribute as a leader.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on March 19, 2014, 11:13:33 PM
Would you want some numpty with an IQ of 80 screaming in your face all day long?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Londonbaggymike on March 20, 2014, 07:42:04 AM
Would you want some numpty with an IQ of 80 screaming in your face all day long?

I'm a teacher- it's an occupational hazard.

On Brunt and the captaincy:

To say he wants to be captain so that he'll get picked is a ridiculous statement. He was given the captaincy at a time when he was pretty much guaranteed a start and numerous coaches haven't seen fit to change that. Olsson has stated time and again that he doesn't want to be captain so why do people bang on about him being captain? I think his temperament is wrong- should the club captain flick the Vs to his fans?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 20, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
Brunt wants to be captain because it's a vehicle for him getting picked.  His on pitch body language is terrible, moaning at referees and dropping his head when Albion concede.  Plus throwing his hands in the air to blame others.

Brunt has no natural position within a football team anymore.  He can't be a winger because he has no pace / trick to beat a player / cuts infield.  He can't be a central midfielder because he hasn't the legs / one dimensional in not being able to tackle.  He can't be a left back because he can't tackle / lacks height / lack of previous experience.

I'm astounded to find Albion supporters ignoring the correlation between a Brunt / Morrison combo and drawn / lost matches.  How on earth were we going to stay up?  Sessegnon is a better player by far.

Brunt moans at refs - have you seen much Premier League football? That's all most captains do. John Terry or Steven Gerrard aren't shy at having a go constantly, trying to badger the ref into giving them decisions. And sometimes Gerrard's body language isn't the best, that doesn't mean he doesn't inspire the players in other ways.

You say we ignore the combination between Brunt / Morrison and the amount of matches drawn / lost. I would be looking at dropping Morrison first; Brunt creates goals from nothing, not just in terms of direct assists but playing that pass that opens up space. He makes us tick.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 20, 2014, 07:33:12 PM
Brunt moans at refs - have you seen much Premier League football? That's all most captains do. John Terry or Steven Gerrard aren't shy at having a go constantly, trying to badger the ref into giving them decisions. And sometimes Gerrard's body language isn't the best, that doesn't mean he doesn't inspire the players in other ways.

You say we ignore the combination between Brunt / Morrison and the amount of matches drawn / lost. I would be looking at dropping Morrison first; Brunt creates goals from nothing, not just in terms of direct assists but playing that pass that opens up space. He makes us tick.

But we aren't ticking this season - that's the point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 20, 2014, 08:27:07 PM
Brunt moans at refs - have you seen much Premier League football? That's all most captains do. John Terry or Steven Gerrard aren't shy at having a go constantly, trying to badger the ref into giving them decisions. And sometimes Gerrard's body language isn't the best, that doesn't mean he doesn't inspire the players in other ways.

You say we ignore the combination between Brunt / Morrison and the amount of matches drawn / lost. I would be looking at dropping Morrison first; Brunt creates goals from nothing, not just in terms of direct assists but playing that pass that opens up space. He makes us tick.


Have I seen much premier league football?  Yes I watch it regularly as well as La Liga.  I've watched the Albion for years. 

Brunt's made us tick in terms of losing and drawing.  Why have a go at Morrison?  He was in a winning team at Swansea (last season's league cup winners) and a venue where Napoli failed to win recently.

The latest is Brunt's trying to rush back from injury, no doubt panicking about the captaincy and place in the team.  If Sessegnon and Dorrans are dropped for him again it's a disgrace quite frankly.

The atmosphere at Swansea was something else and drove the players to victory.  In contrast the Hawthorns atmosphere has been shocking.  IMO it's a consequence of drab, negative, slow, predictable football initiated by
a midfield including you know who.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2014, 09:43:41 PM

Have I seen much premier league football?  Yes I watch it regularly as well as La Liga.  I've watched the Albion for years. 

Brunt's made us tick in terms of losing and drawing.  Why have a go at Morrison?  He was in a winning team at Swansea (last season's league cup winners) and a venue where Napoli failed to win recently.

The latest is Brunt's trying to rush back from injury, no doubt panicking about the captaincy and place in the team.  If Sessegnon and Dorrans are dropped for him again it's a disgrace quite frankly.

The atmosphere at Swansea was something else and drove the players to victory.  In contrast the Hawthorns atmosphere has been shocking.  IMO it's a consequence of drab, negative, slow, predictable football initiated by
a midfield including you know who.

Ooh dear you don't want Brunty Wunty to get fit and come back in the side I take it...

Sorry for you he will be picked when he is fit. Hoping to conquer injury in a shorter time than the doctors  predict is something to be admired as long as he does not rush back doing more damage.

As to Sess and Dorrans how would it be a disgrace? He's done more in an Albion shirt this season than either man. Dorrans in particular had a decent/okay performance at Swansea, nothing more.

Hilarious, now you are suggesting the atmosphere at the Hawthorns is down to Brunt. World of your own mate.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 20, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
It's no coincidence that we only tend to win when Brunt doesn't play.
Actually,  it is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 20, 2014, 10:34:34 PM
Ooh dear you don't want Brunty Wunty to get fit and come back in the side I take it...

Sorry for you he will be picked when he is fit. Hoping to conquer injury in a shorter time than the doctors  predict is something to be admired as long as he does not rush back doing more damage.

As to Sess and Dorrans how would it be a disgrace? He's done more in an Albion shirt this season than either man. Dorrans in particular had a decent/okay performance at Swansea, nothing more.

Hilarious, now you are suggesting the atmosphere at the Hawthorns is down to Brunt. World of your own mate.

Thanks to Sessegnon we now have a fighting chance of staying up.  Where would we be if we'd lost at Swansea?  Staring relegation in the face that's where.

Brunt's done next to nothing for weeks on end.  Dorrans hasn't been given opportunities because Brunt was in the way and Sess has been injured for 2 months.

You're blinkered in your support of Brunt and you're entitled to feel that way, carry on.

Many Albion fans worshipped Greening in the same way.  When it was time for him to go he couldn't get in Fulham's, Forest's or Barnsley's team.

So if we beat Hull and Cardiff to make 3 wins in a row and Brunt declared himself fit, you say he deserves to walk straight back in?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2014, 11:00:37 PM
Thanks to Sessegnon we now have a fighting chance of staying up.  Where would we be if we'd lost at Swansea?  Staring relegation in the face that's where.

Brunt's done next to nothing for weeks on end.  Dorrans hasn't been given opportunities because Brunt was in the way and Sess has been injured for 2 months.

You're blinkered in your support of Brunt and you're entitled to feel that way, carry on.

Many Albion fans worshipped Greening in the same way.  When it was time for him to go he couldn't get in Fulham's, Forest's or Barnsley's team.

So if we beat Hull and Cardiff to make 3 wins in a row and Brunt declared himself fit, you say he deserves to walk straight back in?

One of the most erroneous and misguided statements I've ever seen here.

You cannot compare Greening and Brunt, those last two seasons he sat right in front of the back four and played the Carrick role. Brunt is a wide midfielder.

FYI we got £5 million for Johnno and he was superb for Fulham during their Europa League exploits. A great servant and we would have kept him at the time if we didn't get the offer we couldn't refuse (from our best manager of the last 25 years by the way)

Brunt walks back into the side for me on the lefthand side of midfield alongside Sessegnon and Morrison irrespective of the next 2 results. The win was coming anyway.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
first win on saturday since new years day, no brunt!! speaks volumes to me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 21, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
first win on saturday since new years day, no brunt!! speaks volumes to me.
Brunt has been our best player under Mel second to Anichebe, I think we'd have won if Brunt was playing. I remember a stat which haunted Bale for a while where Spurs didn't win for months with him in the team (every time he started). Of course, it was just an random error - he was still clearly a very good player at this point.

Basically, it's no surprise we've barely won a game with Brunt starting, remember he missed most of the early season with injury and played (out of position) under Clarke's dark days - it's not like Mel has been winning for fun either - you could apply those stats about winning to several of our key players, it's fairly meaningless.

I actually think we could be 3 points worse had Brunt not played under Mel - his passion/passes have been great and it shows why he's the captain. He always gets dogs abuse from our fans though and for most of the time it's not justified.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 21, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
Its a very simplistic way of looking at things saying its no surprise we have won a game as soon as Brunt misses out. Our performances haven't been down to one man but it obviously suits some agendas but if you want to look at it in that way aren't people highlighting the importance of Sessegnon to the team instead of seemingly blaming our poor performances on Brunt. 

Admittedly I haven't checked the accuracy of the following stats but they do look a little surprising.

Record with Sessegnon starting: P16 W5 D7 L4 Pts 22
Record without Sessegnon starting: P13 W0 D6 L7 Pts 6

This is the same Sessegnon that people on here pretty much crucified at one point with plenty out there seemingly quite pleased when he got injured for a decent amount of time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 21, 2014, 12:55:34 PM
Thanks to Sessegnon we now have a fighting chance of staying up.  Where would we be if we'd lost at Swansea?  Staring relegation in the face that's where.

Yeah, those open goals he missed against Villa and Norwich really helped us keep our heads above water.

Lets apply this 'we don't win when Brunt is in the team' logic to other positions. Luke Daniels came on at Everton and kept a clean sheet (his only league game of the season), while Foster and Myhill have conceded all of our goals this season. Surely this record means Daniels is the better keeper?

What? He's not? Those goals were down to team failings, rather than an individuals performance? Fancy that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: westbrom87 on March 21, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
Not a massive fan of Brunt.  I've always thought he's better as a winger, but even then he cant beat his man and his deliveries have been woeful for the past couple of years.  Not to mention his set pieces.  My head drops when he stands over a free kick.  We might get one good one a season from him.

Having said all that, he has been our best player since Mel came in.  Everything is going through him, his passing is positive and his deliveries are much better.  Himself and Anichebe have been the two players that have visibly improved.

Some people love Brunt, great.  Some people hate Brunt, great.  But if you step back and look purely at performances I dont see how you could say he hasnt been one of our best players recently.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 21, 2014, 02:49:41 PM
Never been his biggest fan especially when he plays inside as he just isn't good enough for that role but since Mel coame in and he went back to his best position he has improved and interesting he said himself that since Christmas his form has improved.

Not sure we would have won with Brunt last week as we broke with much more pace which we don't do when he plays which also helped in our win at United. He has a part to play along with the rest of the squad. We need to move on from the guaranteed starters with the exception being the back four/five and realise that to get anywhere we have to adjust to suit different games

Disappointing that people are failing to recognise the impact Yacob has been having and omitting him from players who have improved since Mel came in though as he was one player we could have done with at times last week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 21, 2014, 05:29:16 PM
Many Albion fans worshipped Greening in the same way.  When it was time for him to go he couldn't get in Fulham's, Forest's or Barnsley's team.

I like Brunt and I liked Greening too - but I'd also made a connection between the end of Greening's time and Brunt's current performances.  I think he's probably past his sell by date - along with Morrison.  On the other hand there are so many positions in the squad that need strengthening much more urgently.  Brunt and Morrison can both still offer something to the team, whereas Ridgewell, Popov, Reid, Lugano, Sinclair must be replaced.  Dorrans, Vydra and Theivy have done very little to indicate they have much to offer at this level.  Plus there is an unfilled vacancy for a goalscorer.  That's 9 new players needed, without even going into contract situations (e.g. Jones).

If we can survive this season then we will have a significant player turn-over but we need to have some player continuity too.  So, I'd say we can live with Brunt and Morrison for another season.

So, why is everyone moaning about Brunt - who does contribute - when we have other players that are much more of a problem?

How many players, from the last 10 years, have moved on from West Brom to better things elsewhere?  I think, the big flop, Valero is the only one I can think of.  (Excluding loans.)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on March 21, 2014, 07:34:35 PM
Not been a fan of Brunt for a couple of years now. Don't dislike him & I'm the first to hold my hand up & say this year (not season) .. he's probably been our best player. However, imo ..if fit , Yacob & Mulumbu have to play & Sessegnon WILL get goals as the best option behind our main striker. It's the premier league & for me you need someone with that burst of pace out wide & Brunt doesn't have it.
The stats on Sess above make interesting reading. My mate's a Sunderland fan & he's still shaking his head at them selling him. Persevere with Sess & he'll come good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 05, 2014, 05:40:25 PM
Another win with Brunt out of the team.  4 out of 6 now.

With Amalfitano playing this well it should be Yacob back in next week if Dorrans doesn't make it.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 05, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
Another win with Brunt out of the team.  4 out of 6 now.

Are you for real? A massive win today and you can only think to come on and bring up this thread with negative insinuations about our club captain that we can't win with him in the team?

Give it a rest. He'll be back in the team, all our previous managers pick him and they are a lot more highly qualified than you, or me, to make a judgement call on his ability.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 05, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
Are you for real? A massive win today and you can only think to come on and bring up this thread with negative insinuations about our club captain that we can't win with him in the team?

Give it a rest. He'll be back in the team, all our previous managers pick him and they are a lot more highly qualified than you, or me, to make a judgement call on his ability.
just let him have it, he wants to be proven right. and despite us playing no better in any way, shape or form bar taking shots from distance (which Brunt does anyway) the stats are there to prove it (and you know what they say about lies and statistics)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 05, 2014, 11:34:15 PM
just let him have it, he wants to be proven right. and despite us playing no better in any way, shape or form bar taking shots from distance (which Brunt does anyway) the stats are there to prove it (and you know what they say about lies and statistics)

Well we can't have it both ways. We are constantly reminded of Brunt's assists record, yet when a stat is thrown up about his effectiveness in a team they are balked at.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 05, 2014, 11:43:23 PM
Well we can't have it both ways. We are constantly reminded of Brunt's assists record, yet when a stat is thrown up about his effectiveness in a team they are balked at.
actually, you can. As I pointed out you can easily find stats to support you theory and ignore those that don't (scientists have done this for centuries). What I am saying is that we play no differently whether he's in the team or not, we've still struggled defensively, the strikers still don't score many, free kicks and corners haven't improved, Ridgewell is still just as defenceless as ever and our possession stats are actually getting WORSE in Pepe's reign since Brunt's injury.... the only thing I see different is the number of long shots into the box (In both games we've won in Mel's time, each of the goals was shot from outside the box) but Brunt does that anyway. so what really is different? 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 05, 2014, 11:51:55 PM
actually, you can. As I pointed out you can easily find stats to support you theory and ignore those that don't (scientists have done this for centuries). What I am saying is that we play no differently whether he's in the team or not, we've still struggled defensively, the strikers still don't score many, free kicks and corners haven't improved, Ridgewell is still just as defenceless as ever and our possession stats are actually getting WORSE in Pepe's reign since Brunt's injury.... the only thing I see different is the number of long shots into the box (In both games we've won in Mel's time, each of the goals was shot from outside the box) but Brunt does that anyway. so what really is different?

You make a fair point. However, I'd argue we do play differently. As you saw in today's goal, we attack with pace and directness when the midfield is missing Chris. Just an opinion, but one I've been happy to argue for the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2014, 12:21:50 AM
Don't get the obsession with possession stats, idea is to get the ball in the opposing teams net. We've had games where we've kept the ball lovely, all in areas the opposition are more than happy to let us have it and lost the games.

As for Ridgewell the last few games have been some of his best for us for a long long time.

Brunt can do a job but at the moment he's not being missed as the midfield are performing well but before that his being out wide left in his best role has seen some good performances from him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 06, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
just let him have it, he wants to be proven right. and despite us playing no better in any way, shape or form bar taking shots from distance (which Brunt does anyway) the stats are there to prove it (and you know what they say about lies and statistics)

Mate, you're in denial.

Point 1: Brunt is not a natural leader and doesn't have leadership qualities.
Point 2: Brunt's lack of pace is a major hindrance to his overall play.
Point 3: Brunt is neither a winger, central midfielder nor "In the Hole No10" and therein lies the problem.  We have wingers such as Amalfitano or Vydra or Sinclair or Thievy that can do a better job in terms of mobility and positional play.  We have central midfielders such as Mulumbu, Yacob and Dorrans that can do a better job in terms of mobility and positional play.  We have attacking midfielders such as Sessegnon or Morrison that can do a better job in terms of mobility and positional play.  He's never going to be a Juan Mata is he?
Point 4: The whole Albion midfield is BETTER BALANCED when Brunt is not there.  We defend and attack as a unit and look far more co-ordinated.
Point 5: We were headed straight for relegation until Brunt got injured.

Look at the difference in Dorrans for being an opportunity, he's like a new man.  Instead of this "jobs for the boys" rubbish we've had to endure under Clarke, Downing and Kiely.

Hopefully after 3 months, Pepe will have worked this one out, we'll see.  I just can't see him getting back in when you have Yacob waiting in the wings.

Brunt, if selected will get my support as an Albion player.  However, I'm NEVER confident of a victory with Brunt in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on April 06, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
I do think Brunt ' s days as a first team player might be coming to an end. For one I really do not think he should be captain, he is not a leader and sometimes his body language is very negative. Either Olsson or GMac should be captain, they are natural leaders.

Secondly like many people have pointed out I do feel like he slows down our possession too much and I'd rather have quick potent counter attacks than loads of boring slowed down possession.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wappingbaggie on April 08, 2014, 12:05:44 AM
we all agree we have to start a big clear out at the end of the year, irrespective of what league we wil be in next season.

He has to be one of the names on the "sell at any reasonable price to a championship team' list. (and thats a long list!)

CB has made a great contribution to the club over the years but beyond set pieces I dont see the material contribution he makes to the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 08, 2014, 01:28:32 AM
we all agree we have to start a big clear out at the end of the year, irrespective of what league we wil be in next season.

He has to be one of the names on the "sell at any reasonable price to a championship team' list. (and thats a long list!)

CB has made a great contribution to the club over the years but beyond set pieces I dont see the material contribution he makes to the team.

A raft of Premier League clubs would be vying for his signature... He'll play Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 08, 2014, 02:18:58 PM
A raft of Premier League clubs would be vying for his signature... He'll play Saturday.
no they wont!!!! and hope he dont!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2014, 03:01:11 PM
no they wont!!!! and hope he dont!!

Your wrong, he would get into many Premier league teams, he has been played out of position for a long while, when he plays to his strengths he is a match winner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 08, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
I wouldn't play him Saturday. Like anyone else he's not an automatic selection and I see no reason to change it much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 08, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
A raft of Premier League clubs would be vying for his signature... He'll play Saturday.

He shouldn't start. We have won twice in his absence and have finally hit a bit of form. It's the old adage - don't change a winning team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on April 08, 2014, 07:24:34 PM
Brunt is a quality player. I do believe we seem quicker when he isn't playing but if he does get sold it will be too a Prem club not a championship team. I think some are being very disrespectful to a player who has given this club excellent service
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on April 08, 2014, 07:38:15 PM
Brunt is a quality player. I do believe we seem quicker when he isn't playing but if he does get sold it will be too a Prem club not a championship team. I think some are being very disrespectful to a player who has given this club excellent service


Totally agree mate.  Has any player ever divided opinion like Brunt?  I'm a big fan and always have been.  Yes he could be quicker but hes not exactly slow either.  He's not my idea of what a captain should be on the field but from what I gather he is superb in the dressing room and great around the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 08, 2014, 10:50:29 PM
I've done some analysis on Chris Brunt for 2013/14.  In overall appearances he's won us 0.77 points per game on average, moving up to 0.79 in starting only.  The 0.77 figure is the worst in the whole squad.  Other people towards the bottom are Yacob and Anichebe.  Now we've reached 32 games of 38 (which is 84%), we're almost at the season end so these stats are important.

Taking we have 32 pts from 32 games (average of 1) and an average of 1 usually keeps you in the divison, then you are looking at 38 pts as the benchmark.

Sessegnon is the stand-out performer in the stats.

I think we'll now stay up, but if Mel goes in the summer then the old clique will be back up and running IMO.  If this happens then I expect Amalfitano, Vydra, Thievy to go.  Maybe Dorrans too.

TBH in this scenario I'd fully expect relegation.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 08, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
I've done some analysis on Chris Brunt for 2013/14.  In overall appearances he's won us 0.77 points per game on average, moving up to 0.79 in starting only.  The 0.77 figure is the worst in the whole squad.  Other people towards the bottom are Yacob and Anichebe.  Now we've reached 32 games of 38 (which is 84%), we're almost at the season end so these stats are important.

Taking we have 32 pts from 32 games (average of 1) and an average of 1 usually keeps you in the divison, then you are looking at 38 pts as the benchmark.

Sessegnon is the stand-out performer in the stats.

I think we'll now stay up, but if Mel goes in the summer then the old clique will be back up and running IMO.  If this happens then I expect Amalfitano, Vydra, Thievy to go.  Maybe Dorrans too.

TBH in this scenario I'd fully expect relegation.

As much as those statistics are perfectly valid, they suggest Anichebes points per game ratio is bad because he's played in teams that haven't got wins, but on his own has drawn us a few games we wouldn't have had he not played. It's all got to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 12:44:51 PM
Midfield Players for Albion this year that have played over 16 games, for more than 10 minutes per game, translate their averages into 38 games:

1: Sess: Pts 52 GD -2
2: Amal: Pts 45 GD -8
3: Mulu: Pts 39 GD -12
4: Morr: Pts 36 GD -16
5: Yaco: Pts 36 GD -16
6: Brun: Pts 29 GD -22

Av For Midfielders highlighted: Pts 33 GD -13.

Ridgewell concedes 1 goal per game when Brunt is not in the team and concedes 1.8 when he is in the team, West Brom as a team concede 1.16 goals per game.

No Premier league club will buy him, as you will see this summer.
 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 09, 2014, 12:54:36 PM
I like Brunt - he plays for us.  I don't understand why he is so divisive.  There are plenty of other players who contribute far less.

I think his contract expires this summer (although we have a 1-year option) so I guess we're going to see what the club think of him fairly soon.

As there will be such a significant player turn over this summer anyhow I would not want to add to the problem by ditching Brunt, who does have something to offer next season.  Low priority for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
I like Brunt - he plays for us.  I don't understand why he is so divisive.  There are plenty of other players who contribute far less.

I think his contract expires this summer (although we have a 1-year option) so I guess we're going to see what the club think of him fairly soon.

As there will be such a significant player turn over this summer anyhow I would not want to add to the problem by ditching Brunt, who does have something to offer next season.  Low priority for me.

Sorry Mr Cynical, no player; including Popov and Lugano have a worse record than Brunt this year; he may be a very gifted player; lets face it you have to be if your in the Premier league, but, he has nothing to offer West Brom, Burnley, Leicester or whoever else makes it into this division.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on April 09, 2014, 01:15:06 PM
Good pro played his last game for us
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
I suppose that fact that we have a goal difference of +1 when he don't play as opposed to -12 when he does play is also irrelevant. (I have the stats for all of the midfield if you want them, but since this is about Brunt, and he is by far the worst performer, I'll leave it there.)

In other words, when Brunt plays we score 0.6 goals less than the opposition per game, when he don't play we score + 0.1 goal more than the opposition per game.

As it stands: (pts per game/ goal difference per game)
0: WBA 1.00 & -0.77
1: Sess 1.37 & -0.05
2: Amal 1.17 & -0.18
3: Mulu 1.03 & -0.32
4: Yaco 0.96 & -0.37
5: Morr 0.96 & -0.40
6: Brun 0.75 & -0.60
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 09, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Sorry Mr Cynical, no player; including Popov and Lugano have a worse record than Brunt this year; he may be a very gifted player; lets face it you have to be if your in the Premier league, but, he has nothing to offer West Brom, Burnley, Leicester or whoever else makes it into this division.

I don't feel all that inclined to defend Brunt.  I'm ambivalent to whether he stays or goes.  Just wouldn't be near the top of the priority list IMO.  I don't really know what your stats prove.  4 of our 6 wins have happened when Brunt was injured.  Would we have won them with Brunt?  Who knows.

However, my perspective really revolves around the business we need to do and that we might wish to do.  Departure Lounge:
On loan with options to buy - Sinclair, Amalfitano, and Theivy
On loan no option Popov, Vydra
Expiring this summer - Reid, Gera, Jones
Expiring this summer with options to extend Ridgewell, Dorrans and Brunt
Plus we need to replace Anelka

Lets say we stay up.  Decide to extend the extra year for Ridgewell (I wouldn't) and Dorrans (but not Brunt, as you suggest).  Maybe we can convince Jones to stay and Amalfitano to join on a full time basis - the only 2 from the rest of the list that have proven themselves worthy IMO.

That means we need to replace Sinclair, Theivy, Vydra, Reid, Gera, Brunt and Anelka.  Plus we have to move on (and replace) Lugano.

That's an awful lot of money for West Brom to spend in one transfer window (especially when we need at least 2 strikers).  Its much more likely that they'll extend Brunt and just see him as expenditure that they can postpone until another window.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 09, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Your wrong, he would get into many Premier league teams, he has been played out of position for a long while, when he plays to his strengths he is a match winner.
no i am not!! in your opinion maybe, but not in mine.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 03:45:24 PM
In Bookies terms: if Chris Brunt plays the odds are 5/6 Albion will score, If he doesn't play it's evens (give or take a pubic hair); if Chris Brunt plays the odds are 10/13 the opposition will score and a shade over evens if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
Your wrong, he would get into many Premier league teams, he has been played out of position for a long while, when he plays to his strengths he is a match winner.

Ridgewell is a right footed Centre half, do you feel sorry for him playing left back, or will a raft of Premier league teams be coming in for him when he is played in position?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
I don't feel all that inclined to defend Brunt.  I'm ambivalent to whether he stays or goes.  Just wouldn't be near the top of the priority list IMO.  I don't really know what your stats prove.  4 of our 6 wins have happened when Brunt was injured.  Would we have won them with Brunt?  Who knows.

However, my perspective really revolves around the business we need to do and that we might wish to do.  Departure Lounge:
On loan with options to buy - Sinclair, Amalfitano, and Theivy
On loan no option Popov, Vydra
Expiring this summer - Reid, Gera, Jones
Expiring this summer with options to extend Ridgewell, Dorrans and Brunt
Plus we need to replace Anelka

Lets say we stay up.  Decide to extend the extra year for Ridgewell (I wouldn't) and Dorrans (but not Brunt, as you suggest).  Maybe we can convince Jones to stay and Amalfitano to join on a full time basis - the only 2 from the rest of the list that have proven themselves worthy IMO.

That means we need to replace Sinclair, Theivy, Vydra, Reid, Gera, Brunt and Anelka.  Plus we have to move on (and replace) Lugano.

That's an awful lot of money for West Brom to spend in one transfer window (especially when we need at least 2 strikers).  Its much more likely that they'll extend Brunt and just see him as expenditure that they can postpone until another window.

Agree buddy, but what that suggests to me is pee poor planning by the people in charge; I personally think That only Foster, Mulumbu, Sess, are the 3 players that will be of Premier quality next year, hopefully Saido; squad lads (not counting the juniors) Jones, GMac, Dawson, Olsson, Yacob, and Vic. The rest are loans or just not good enough.

If you have the 2nd lowest net squad bought £29 million, Palace are lowest on £24Mill and then Hull on £35mill ish what do we expect?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: valleybaggie on April 09, 2014, 04:29:35 PM
this has been my main worry for a long time. i'm still not convinced we'll stay up but even if we do i honestly think next year will be even worse. this side needs a massive overhaul with defenders midfielders and at least two goalscoring strikers  brought in. we will need to spend big and get our business done early. i can't see jp spending a lot and this will be our downfall. and i really hope which ever league we're in come the end of this season a quick descision on whether mel stays or goes is made very soon as we don't want to drag that little problem out and leave transfers till the last minute again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
If we intend any major shuffling in the squad then a bit more pace in midfield is one of the obvious things we need. One of our issues is that Brunt, Morrison, Dorrans and Gera are all fairly similar players and none are especially quick though Dorrans is the quickest of the bunch. This could well be the time to be ruthless and wave goodbye to Gera and Brunt as they are both at the end of contracts anyway.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 10, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
I find this thread really despressing to read.

Brunt may have his faults, but he has created more goals for us than any player over the last 5-10 years. He has consistently worked hard, not just during the games but to improve himself too, and all he gets is ripped apart.

Most people on here are just unhappy that he was made captain ahead of their favourite Jonas Olsson anyway, and now will use any statistics they can to batter him.

Look at the graph from before; Yacob is widely regarded as one of our best players this season, but he's only slightly better off from Brunt. If you're fit for games against United, Chelsea, Arsenal et al, but miss games against Swansea, Norwich, etc, then the odds are your record is not going to be good.

Sessegnon missed three of our worst months this season with injury. We're always poor over the winter, every year long before he joined, but suddenly we're meant to believe that this year was all down to him not being there?

You can use a statistic to prove anything as long as you don't provide the context.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on April 10, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
Agree completely Falloutboy - at times Brunt is the only player of ours who can create an attack. He's not a bad player.

I remember feeling really bad about 2 seasons back when he got booed off at home vs Fulham as he played awfully. As bad as he can be, you can never fault his work ethic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 10, 2014, 02:22:16 PM
I've done some analysis on Chris Brunt for 2013/14.  In overall appearances he's won us 0.77 points per game on average, moving up to 0.79 in starting only.  The 0.77 figure is the worst in the whole squad.  Other people towards the bottom are Yacob and Anichebe.  Now we've reached 32 games of 38 (which is 84%), we're almost at the season end so these stats are important.

Taking we have 32 pts from 32 games (average of 1) and an average of 1 usually keeps you in the divison, then you are looking at 38 pts as the benchmark.

Sessegnon is the stand-out performer in the stats.

I think we'll now stay up, but if Mel goes in the summer then the old clique will be back up and running IMO.  If this happens then I expect Amalfitano, Vydra, Thievy to go.  Maybe Dorrans too.

TBH in this scenario I'd fully expect relegation.

Fancy expanding on who is in this 'old clique'? I'm curious
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2014, 02:24:34 PM
There's no question he's a good player, very good sometimes but I think the main issues here are, does he fit into the pattern of play that suits us best  ? Do we have too many similar players ? Should the optional year be taken up and should he be given a new contract ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 10, 2014, 02:26:34 PM
Midfield Players for Albion this year that have played over 16 games, for more than 10 minutes per game, translate their averages into 38 games:

1: Sess: Pts 52 GD -2
2: Amal: Pts 45 GD -8
3: Mulu: Pts 39 GD -12
4: Morr: Pts 36 GD -16
5: Yaco: Pts 36 GD -16
6: Brun: Pts 29 GD -22

Av For Midfielders highlighted: Pts 33 GD -13.

Ridgewell concedes 1 goal per game when Brunt is not in the team and concedes 1.8 when he is in the team, West Brom as a team concede 1.16 goals per game.

No Premier league club will buy him, as you will see this summer.

What a hilarious method of creating statistics. Averages into 38 games? The fact Sessegnon and Amalfitano the most inconsistent players in our squad top your mythical statistics sums up their credibility.

There are 10 sides in the PL who would take Brunt off us no problem and he would probably get into half of those teams.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on April 10, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
good pro good footballer but cant captain and should not be expecing to walk straight back into the team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 10, 2014, 03:53:21 PM
What a hilarious method of creating statistics. Averages into 38 games? The fact Sessegnon and Amalfitano the most inconsistent players in our squad top your mythical statistics sums up their credibility.

There are 10 sides in the PL who would take Brunt off us no problem and he would probably get into half of those teams.

If you're going to call statistics mythical you need to provide evidence to disprove them. Personally, I don't see an issue with them (as long as they are accurate!). The poster has stated his criteria which, although far from perfect, create an interesting discussion point.

Care to name the 10 teams?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mannimc on April 10, 2014, 03:59:38 PM
There is no coincidence that we have started to win games now he is not playing
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on April 10, 2014, 04:02:09 PM
You can't take a small sample of games for an 11 man team and then claim that it is one player negatively effecting those results. I bet if you look back to last season our form with Brunt in the team is actually very good...

Not too mention you haven't factored in the quality of teams at all. We've played easier games these last 4 games, whereas Brunt's played against nearly all the top sides, its natural he'll have a lower points per game. Sessegnon missed all our games in our tough run when Mel first came in by comparison. Unsurprisingly he's top.

To put it into perspective, of his games this season as per your criteria:

Average position of teams he's played - 9.7
Average position of teams in games he's missed -  12.9

So what these stats more reflect is the shocking fact that a player who plays against better teams will generally win less points. Likewise trying to claim that Ridgewell concedes more with Brunt playing is largely explained by the fact he plays with Brunt against better teams.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 10, 2014, 04:57:25 PM
If you're going to call statistics mythical you need to provide evidence to disprove them. Personally, I don't see an issue with them (as long as they are accurate!). The poster has stated his criteria which, although far from perfect, create an interesting discussion point.

Care to name the 10 teams?

A statistic that states our two most inconsistent players (Sessegnon and Amalfitano) would gain us the most points over a season if they played at their top levels permanently is just plain silly as it's obvious this would be the case. Sessegnon was incredibly inconsistent at Sunderland and Amalfitano's form has been frustratingly erratic this year.

Newcastle, Stoke, West Ham, Hull, Villa, Palace, Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff, Sunderland.

He would walk into every one of their match day squads whilst easily starting for the likes of Sunderland, Cardiff, Fulham, Norwich and Palace.

It's a real shame with Brunt, more than half of Albion fans have an unhealthy hatred for him whilst he has served the club so well in the past and well this season.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 10, 2014, 05:02:10 PM
You can't take a small sample of games for an 11 man team and then claim that it is one player negatively effecting those results. I bet if you look back to last season our form with Brunt in the team is actually very good...

Not too mention you haven't factored in the quality of teams at all. We've played easier games these last 4 games, whereas Brunt's played against nearly all the top sides, its natural he'll have a lower points per game. Sessegnon missed all our games in our tough run when Mel first came in by comparison. Unsurprisingly he's top.

To put it into perspective, of his games this season as per your criteria:

Average position of teams he's played - 9.7
Average position of teams in games he's missed -  12.9

So what these stats more reflect is the shocking fact that a player who plays against better teams will generally win less points. Likewise trying to claim that Ridgewell concedes more with Brunt playing is largely explained by the fact he plays with Brunt against better teams.

Well said. Granted he has been unfit for the games against lower teams but if anything it is an admiration of his ability that he is picked for games against big teams.

All these Albion fans obviously know a lot more than our past four managers and the current one. They have all picked him and kept him as captain. Move onto picking on somebody else, Brunt is going nowhere.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on April 10, 2014, 05:39:41 PM
Last two posts are spot on in my opinion!

I dont think he is a key player for us anymore but certain games i still feel he could be an asset and would be in no great rush to move him on unless we have somebody better.

I think all clubs fans tend to have a player they get at more than others but for some reason ours seems to be left footed players, Olsson was it a few seasons ago, then it was Brunt and now its Ridgewell! Messi would crumble at the Albion!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 10, 2014, 06:00:27 PM
A statistic that states our two most inconsistent players (Sessegnon and Amalfitano) would gain us the most points over a season if they played at their top levels permanently is just plain silly as it's obvious this would be the case. Sessegnon was incredibly inconsistent at Sunderland and Amalfitano's form has been frustratingly erratic this year.

Newcastle, Stoke, West Ham, Hull, Villa, Palace, Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff, Sunderland.

He would walk into every one of their match day squads whilst easily starting for the likes of Sunderland, Cardiff, Fulham, Norwich and Palace.

It's a real shame with Brunt, more than half of Albion fans have an unhealthy hatred for him whilst he has served the club so well in the past and well this season.

I will reply more fully this evening...

But to give a bit of a taster: I don't disagree that Sess and Amalfitano are inconsistent, but I would also argue they do will us points with moments of brilliance - just take Swansea and Norwich as examples.

I don't hate Brunt - far from it actually. He has been a wonderful servant for our club and I would buy him a beer if I was to see him out (that is a massive compliment from a tight backside like me). However, I personally think his impact in the team is horribly overrated by some. I can't say how many of those teams would snap him up if he was to become available - none of us do - I would just suggest that I'd be surprised if it was 5 let alone 10.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 10, 2014, 06:52:39 PM
So for all of the Brunt supporters out there, I'll ask this question :

Do you HONESTLY think we'd have stayed up if CB played 90 mins in all remaining games after Man Utd (H) (when he got injured)?  Bearing in mind we have accumulated 7 pts from 4 subsequent games (3 away too).  And the game we lost was mainly due to a cuckoo from an incompetent ref!

IMO we were heading straight for that relegation trapdoor.  We rolled over to a Man Utd side we OUTPLAYED at Old Trafford earlier in the season.

Some thoughts :

1) CB has been a loyal servant which deserves acclaim.
2) CB is a good professional.
3) CB is probably a very nice bloke.
4) CB HAS been a very good player for WBA (without question).
5) There can be no sentiment in football.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jack Russell on April 10, 2014, 06:54:27 PM
How many times have we won this season with CB in the team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 10, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
So for all of the Brunt supporters out there, I'll ask this question :

Do you HONESTLY think we'd have stayed up if CB played 90 mins in all remaining games after Man Utd (H) (when he got injured)?  Bearing in mind we have accumulated 7 pts from 4 subsequent games (3 away too).  And the game we lost was mainly due to a cuckoo from an incompetent ref!

IMO we were heading straight for that relegation trapdoor.  We rolled over to a Man Utd side we OUTPLAYED at Old Trafford earlier in the season.

Some thoughts :

1) CB has been a loyal servant which deserves acclaim.
2) CB is a good professional.
3) CB is probably a very nice bloke.
4) CB HAS been a very good player for WBA (without question).
5) There can be no sentiment in football.

And herein is your problem,  I am a West Brom supporter ergo I support Chris Brunt as captain of West Brom.

In respect of statistics, Liam O' Neill has played in two matches and we have won both of them..clearly we should have brought him into the squad earlier in the season.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 10, 2014, 08:50:45 PM
Can I make one point abundantly clear: just because some of us don't particularly see Chris Brunt as a long term option for us and would perhaps have him on the bench rather than starting, we (apart from a few) are not automatically Brunt "haters".
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 10, 2014, 08:56:45 PM
If we intend any major shuffling in the squad then a bit more pace in midfield is one of the obvious things we need. One of our issues is that Brunt, Morrison, Dorrans and Gera are all fairly similar players and none are especially quick though Dorrans is the quickest of the bunch. This could well be the time to be ruthless and wave goodbye to Gera and Brunt as they are both at the end of contracts anyway.

Sorry but Brunt and Gera are completely different players, Gera was a top top quality player and Brunt is a never been. Gera is past his best and I agree we could be waving goodbye to both of them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 10, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Statistical analysis:

Liam O'Neil has played twice for us this season. We have won both games. Surely that means he should be starting every week?

Luke Daniels has kept a clean sheet in 100% of his Premier League games this season. Surely that means he is our best keeper, and should be starting every week?

Back in the 1996-97 season, when Jamie Carragher was just coming through from the youth team at Liverpool, he only played twice in that season but scored one goal. Surely if he had played all 38, he would have finished with 19 goals, and Liverpool would have finished better off?

Or do statistics only work when they prove the point you want them to prove?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2014, 09:45:06 PM
Statistical analysis:

Liam O'Neil has played twice for us this season. We have won both games. Surely that means he should be starting every week?

Luke Daniels has kept a clean sheet in 100% of his Premier League games this season. Surely that means he is our best keeper, and should be starting every week?

Back in the 1996-97 season, when Jamie Carragher was just coming through from the youth team at Liverpool, he only played twice in that season but scored one goal. Surely if he had played all 38, he would have finished with 19 goals, and Liverpool would have finished better off?

Or do statistics only work when they prove the point you want them to prove?
Why have the coaching staff not got onto this... Had Daniels played every week we would be yet to concede a goal this season. Massive blunder from Clarke/Mel...  :-\
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on April 10, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
bruntie  pro's ,best corner taker we have,still just about best free kick taker we have,still good killer ball passing ability,work rate improved a lot before latest injury,leftsided player
bruntie con,s,too slow,sulks too much shouldn't be captain,cant tackle,cant beat a man,and yes we win or get better results when he is not in the team
I really don't know

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 10, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Statistical analysis:

Liam O'Neil has played twice for us this season. We have won both games. Surely that means he should be starting every week?

Luke Daniels has kept a clean sheet in 100% of his Premier League games this season. Surely that means he is our best keeper, and should be starting every week?

Back in the 1996-97 season, when Jamie Carragher was just coming through from the youth team at Liverpool, he only played twice in that season but scored one goal. Surely if he had played all 38, he would have finished with 19 goals, and Liverpool would have finished better off?

Or do statistics only work when they prove the point you want them to prove?

Chris Brunt has played around 20 league games therefore the stats are over a season.  Nobody is daft enough just to look at the stats for 2 or 3 games are they?  The reference to Liam O'Neil and Luke Daniels is stupid and proves nothing.

No-one has answered the original question?  I take it the vast majority of fans were expecting relegation pre-Swansea? 

I don't have too much a problem with Brunt playing minus Morrison but put them both together and it's Laurel & Hardy in midfield.  If he plays against Spurs fine, but if Mel picks him at The Emirates & Etihad then he must be bonkers, that's a job for Mulumbu & Yacob.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 11, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Chris Brunt has played around 20 league games therefore the stats are over a season.  Nobody is daft enough just to look at the stats for 2 or 3 games are they?  The reference to Liam O'Neil and Luke Daniels is stupid and proves nothing.

And that would be context.

Brunt has played more against the top teams, and missed more of the winnable games, so that is the context for his statistics.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ronnie_allen on April 11, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
The basic statistic of Brunt's average points per game is interesting - but as others have pointed out - there can be a host of other favtors/variables that influence the points per game - Strength of team played/Home or Away/Wet or Dry/Day Game v Night/Other Players Involved/Team Form/Match on TV/Strip Used etc.....
A regression analysis would need to be employed so that all these factors can be accounted for and Brunt's own influence could be derived. Still, as mentioned a sample size of 2 for Liam O'Neill is not viable, but a sample size of 20 isn't all that significant either and could lead to a lot of random variation when so many other factors can influence the result.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 11, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
And that would be context.

Brunt has played more against the top teams, and missed more of the winnable games, so that is the context for his statistics.

We lost to Norwich & Cardiff back to back in December which cost Clarke his job.  Brunt was in there.

Brunt has had a mix of "hard" and "easy" games, what you've said is not correct.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 12, 2014, 10:52:06 AM
We lost to Norwich & Cardiff back to back in December which cost Clarke his job.  Brunt was in there.

Brunt has had a mix of "hard" and "easy" games, what you've said is not correct.

Brunt has had a mix of hard and easy games, I wasn't denying that. I was simply pointing out that the games he has missed have been more winnable ones, such as Norwich. I was not dealing in an absolute, but a shade of grey.

Brunt was also in there when we beat Newcastle and when we beat Palace, so it has only been the last couple of wins which have skewed the figures against him as well. It's not like we haven't won with him in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 12, 2014, 08:35:21 PM
What a hilarious method of creating statistics. Averages into 38 games? The fact Sessegnon and Amalfitano the most inconsistent players in our squad top your mythical statistics sums up their credibility.

There are 10 sides in the PL who would take Brunt off us no problem and he would probably get into half of those teams.

Yeah buster, I'm a regular joker, no mate the fact is Amalfitano and Sess are most consistant players or do you just see what you want to see?, Liam Ridgewell concedes 1 goal per game without Brunt, guess what, thats just gone up with him, and guess what, everything stemed from Brunts relentless greed today.

If you want to call me a tosser for analysing what the heck is going on, and then dismiss it, up to you, you can defend the guy forever, 10 prem clubs? That would be????? not a flaming chance, no Prem club would buy Brunt, cause he is a greedy, wannabe, that don't cut the mustard.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 12, 2014, 08:37:44 PM
Oh, and if you want to talk maths/ probability/ confidence/ variance, then go for it. ask me, I will answer every single question you have
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 12, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
If we're going to debate him lets do it like adults.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 12, 2014, 08:53:41 PM
If we're going to debate him lets do it like adults.

Sorry Liam, but I just want the guy to tell me what is so hilarious about nominal facts, like I say, you want in depth facts then no problem; would you like to now the statistical difference between Reid and Jones? and when different players play in front of them? ask me, I'll tell you.

The whole point of averaging and probability, is to make sense of numerous variables, it is not a science, but, it works, ask any bookie.

For example; When Chris Brunt plays we are 20 per cent more likely to score; When Chris Brunt plays we are 30 per cent more likely to concede, that is a fact of this year, and yet again, it's proven correct, because that is maths.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 12, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Sorry Liam, but I just want the guy to tell me what is so hilarious about nominal facts, like I say, you want in depth facts then no problem; would you like to now the statistical difference between Reid and Jones? and when different players play in front of them? ask me, I'll tell you.

The whole point of averaging and probability, is to make sense of numerous variables, it is not a science, but, it works, ask any bookie.

I've got no problems with you posting analysis of Chris Brunt - its created an interesting discussion, however, you know where to draw the line when addressing fellow posters.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 12, 2014, 09:08:06 PM
I've got no problems with you posting analysis of Chris Brunt - its created an interesting discussion, however, you know where to draw the line when addressing fellow posters.

I do, tell him that is saying I'm full of tom tit!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Brunt helps his full back significantly better than Amalfitano. During the game the most effective attacks were targeted on whichever side he was playing. He is great going forward but doesn't help much defensively.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 12, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
Brunt helps his full back significantly better than Amalfitano. During the game the most effective attacks were targeted on whichever side he was playing. He is great going forward but doesn't help much defensively.
I'm a big fan of Brunt , he does help out but i will say his bad habit is being drawn into the middle too often leaving the flank open.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 13, 2014, 10:35:28 AM
Brunt did well first half but he was always going to tire yesterday as it was his first game back.
I will question his leadership again though. When Spurs scored their second Ridgewell was the only one I saw with positive body language and trying to rally the rest.
I think Brunt should have been tapping a few backsides and encouraging an extra %10 and stressing the game can still be won.
Thank God there weren't 2 minutes more injury time as we were totally gone physically and mentally.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 13, 2014, 05:06:07 PM
Brunt and Vydra both featured in the 'Team Of The Day' for the Mirror and the People.

Haven't picked up any other papers, would be interested to see if they all see it the same way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on April 13, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
Brunt did well first half but he was always going to tire yesterday as it was his first game back.
I will question his leadership again though. When Spurs scored their second Ridgewell was the only one I saw with positive body language and trying to rally the rest.
I think Brunt should have been tapping a few backsides and encouraging an extra %10 and stressing the game can still be won.
Thank God there weren't 2 minutes more injury time as we were totally gone physically and mentally.

Cudos to Ridgewell for that. We lack leadership and drive on the pitch when Jonas is subdued or not playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 13, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
Cudos to Ridgewell for that. We lack leadership and drive on the pitch when Jonas is subdued or not playing.

The captaincy is a bit of a fudge IMO for CB to get into the team week in week out.  Did you notice Brunt lifted Sessegnon off the ground when he scored, but when Brunt himself scored I think there was only Ridgewell in view.  I think there's friction between some of the stalwarts and some of the new boys.  Lack of respect perhaps?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 13, 2014, 07:49:06 PM
Did you notice Brunt lifted Sessegnon off the ground when he scored, but when Brunt himself scored I think there was only Ridgewell in view.  I think there's friction between some of the stalwarts and some of the new boys.  Lack of respect perhaps?

I think you're digging far too deep into something of nothing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 21, 2014, 09:30:54 PM
A truly terrible "performance" tonight.  Strolling around the pitch from side to side just playing the occasional pass.  Never saw him gee the lads up as captain.  Another shocker from Ridgewell, anything to do with who's in front of him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Get rid.Whats he bringing to the table.Shocking
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 21, 2014, 09:45:35 PM
in fairness to Ridgewell he's been the left back and left winger tonight.  Never seen Brunt get to the byline once.  He's actually been snubbed in terms of the actual cross by Ridgewell.

I really don't know where Brunt's supposed to be playing?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on April 21, 2014, 09:48:32 PM
Another shocking and entirely predictable performance from Brunt. It's laughable that he gets 90 minutes every week. How much longer is this going to go on for? Does he literally have a rubbish in the dugout before he's dropped?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on April 21, 2014, 10:38:25 PM
Mel confirmed he'l be playing LB on saturday as LR is out for season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 21, 2014, 10:41:44 PM
Mel confirmed he'l be playing LB on saturday as LR is out for season.

Not surprised Ridgewell is injured - he was left back and left wing tonight.  Probably pulled a muscle with all the running.

Why can't we play Reid and Jones as the 2 full backs?  There must be something in Brunt's contract he has to play if fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on April 21, 2014, 10:46:32 PM
Not surprised Ridgewell is injured - he was left back and left wing tonight.  Probably pulled a muscle with all the running.

Why can't we play Reid and Jones as the 2 full backs?  There must be something in Brunt's contract he has to play if fit.

Almost everyone of your posts is about Brunt, even if he was as bad as you say your obsession with him wouldn't be justified.

He was very poor tonight but its literally every week regardless of his performance you moan about him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2014, 10:57:53 PM
The trouble with playing both Ridgewell and Brunt on the same side is the lack of pace , Brunt especially is one paced and opposing players hang over that side ready to break. That said although he had a stinker tonight Brunt is still very capable.......I'm a fan but to be honest I'm not sure where he fits in best in this side now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on April 21, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
Brunt is better at left back than in midfield anyway so that's not too bad news. Is Ridgewell out; has that definitely been confirmed already?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on April 21, 2014, 11:08:27 PM
The trouble with playing both Ridgewell and Brunt on the same side is the lack of pace , Brunt especially is one paced and opposing players hang over that side ready to break. That said although he had a stinker tonight Brunt is still very capable.......I'm a fan but to be honest I'm not sure where he fits in best in this side now.

I agree with both points. The lack of pace down our left is killing us. Opponents have such an easy time exploiting all kinds of space there and turn our defence again and again. Our right flank isn't much better but our left is so bad it's an obvious target. It doesn't help when we play Yacob next to them who isn't the most mobile either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 21, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
Brunt is better at left back than in midfield anyway so that's not too bad news. Is Ridgewell out; has that definitely been confirmed already?

I guess we will find out later this week but if he is out then Mel has said that Brunt will start at left back which is a pretty damning verdict of his thoughts on Goran Popov.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
My mind goes back to Norwich and the great job Ridgewell and Dorrans did snuffing Snodgrass out of the game pretty much , I have to wonder would Brunt have done as well ?
No doubt he had a stinker tonight , that happens to all players ...i wonder if he would be a better fit on the right in front of the pacey Jones ? . Let's not slaughter him too much , still a quality player and our captain. We need to pull together at this time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on April 21, 2014, 11:56:05 PM
Fair to say Brunty wasn't at his best tonight, in fact he was awful. But considering it is, in my opinion, the first bad game he's had in Mel's time in charge, then it's pretty harsh to be giving him pelters.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 22, 2014, 12:08:48 AM
My mind goes back to Norwich and the great job Ridgewell and Dorrans did snuffing Snodgrass out of the game pretty much , I have to wonder would Brunt have done as well ?
No doubt he had a stinker tonight , that happens to all players ...i wonder if he would be a better fit on the right in front of the pacey Jones ? . Let's not slaughter him too much , still a quality player and our captain. We need to pull together at this time.
I'd be careful praising Ridgewell- you'll get the cavalry coming out claiming how Ray Wilson could come out of retirement and do a better job.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on April 22, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
I'd be careful praising Ridgewell- you'll get the cavalry coming out claiming how Ray Wilson could come out of retirement and do a better job.
I say it as i see it mate , as members should.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 22, 2014, 12:12:51 AM
I say it as i see it mate , as members should.
Too right as well :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on April 22, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
I'm no fan of Brunt & yes he had a stinker tonight but to be fair, he has been one of our better players since Pepe's been here, so can half understand his inclusion. However to have him captaining the side in front of the likes of Olsson, Mcauley, Mulumu & Morrison is baffling. He's no leader. On a few occasions tonight he got dispossessed & instead of battling back, just stood still with his hands out, either looking blamingly at team mates or staring the ref out wondering why he hasn't got a free kick?? There was even a moment in the first half when we had a free kick, & Dorrans, having already scored & obviously brimming with confidence clearly wanted to take it. Brunty however used his captains seniority to shove Dozza to one side before hitting it into Row Z.
Like I say, I've nothing against him competing for a place in our first 11, but he shouldn't be captain!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 22, 2014, 03:45:44 AM
Haven't the statistics indicated that we accumulate less points when he is playing? I hope that is not an omen for the remaining games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: colinmax on April 22, 2014, 05:55:20 AM
Brunt scored a great goal from a freekick about 4 years ago against Everton and since then he must have taken about 1000 and I can't remember him scoring from one.
Just two such goals from our 15 drawn games would have given us another 4 points.
Also last night his centres were all on the scale between poor and atrocious.
The injury to Ridgewell may keep him in the side but otherwise he should be dropped so that we can play Vydra along side Anichebe as they seemed to complement each other in the home game against City.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 22, 2014, 08:29:10 AM
Almost everyone of your posts is about Brunt, even if he was as bad as you say your obsession with him wouldn't be justified.

He was very poor tonight but its literally every week regardless of his performance you moan about him.

Because I'm sick of everyone laying into Ridgewell when he has no cover in front of him.  It's a fact Ridgewell plays better when we have a left wing other than Brunt.  Brunt is a complete and utter liability.  We've won 2 games all season with him in the side.  Our good run in March coincided with him being injured.

Saturday really is the last chance.  If we can't beat a poor West Ham side at home then we really do deserve to go down.  I'm waiting to see if we can win with Brunt in the side for the 1st time since New Years Day.

I just cannot believe some Albion fans shrug their shoulders and say it's OK.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 22, 2014, 02:03:06 PM
I'm no fan of Brunt & yes he had a stinker tonight but to be fair, he has been one of our better players since Pepe's been here, so can half understand his inclusion. However to have him captaining the side in front of the likes of Olsson, Mcauley, Mulumu & Morrison is baffling. He's no leader. On a few occasions tonight he got dispossessed & instead of battling back, just stood still with his hands out, either looking blamingly at team mates or staring the ref out wondering why he hasn't got a free kick?? There was even a moment in the first half when we had a free kick, & Dorrans, having already scored & obviously brimming with confidence clearly wanted to take it. Brunty however used his captains seniority to shove Dozza to one side before hitting it into Row Z.
Like I say, I've nothing against him competing for a place in our first 11, but he shouldn't be captain!
This is sooooooooo frustrating. I predicted the outcome to my mate before it was taken because it happens so ridiculously often. Why is he allowed to take these free kicks when so often he wastes them? I just don't get it. The other thing that pees me off is that every time he blasts the ball over the bar, he looks like he's surprised it didn't go in, like it was close, when it was dreadfully over hit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
The free kick thing is highly frustrating. The commentators can't say a sentence about Brunt without mentioning the 'fantastic' left foot. I can't help but think of Snodgrass at Norwich. It seems like every week he's either scoring from a free kick or hitting the bar or the keeper has to make a great save.
I do wonder how long Brunt (and maybe one or two others) spends practising free kicks. Surely he should be practising a lot and hitting the target say 7 or 8 times out of 10 .....then transferring that rate to a match. Brunt has ability but going 3 or 4 years without scoring from a free kick isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 22, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
Agree with you. Another favourite of the commentators is to describe him as a "dead ball specialist", which he is a long long way from being.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on April 22, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
I think Dorrans is a better dead ball player than Brunt..

As many have said, Brunt has wasted a vast amount of opportunities
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 03:43:07 PM
http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/stat-attack-brunt-closing-in-on-mata-1057514.aspx?pd=635149381990000000

Not as recent as today but some people might want to give that a read.

Deadball specialist continues to post outstanding figures
ALBION’S first Barclays Premier League goal of the season came late on to earn a point from a tough fixture at Craven Cottage at the weekend. Here, the statisticians over at WhoScored.com review Saturday's draw and the input of one standout performer in particular.

The relief was plain to see as Gareth McAuley and his Baggies team-mates celebrated an end to the team's 360 minute goal drought with an injury-time header to cancel out Steve Sidwell's earlier strike.

The Northern Ireland international has made a name for himself in the top flight as a serious threat from set-pieces, his sizeable frame and extraordinary leap giving him an advantage in the air over plenty of players he comes up against.

McAuley has become a favourite amongst fantasy football followers as a defender capable of scoring a goal or two, although while his ability in the air makes him a threat, he wouldn't get those chances if it was not for the delivery into the box of compatriot and Baggies skipper Chris Brunt.

Few in English football can boast significantly better ability from set-pieces than the midfielder, who put the corner in for McAuley's goal but also has a mean strike of his own from direct free-kicks.

Brunt leads Albion’s rankings for assists over the past four seasons with 20, a tally eight greater than any other Baggies player has managed, and which puts him in the top ten in the whole Premier League over that time frame, only 11 behind assist-leader David Silva (31).

A great deal of that success is a result of his fantastic technique and crosses into the danger area. In fact, only Chelsea's Juan Mata (9) has more assists from dead balls since the start of the 2010/11 Premier League season than Brunt (7).

He is way ahead of the likes of Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard (both 4), and is up there alongside Silva and Robin van Persie, all of whom have been playing for teams that have scored more goals than Albion in recent years.

His assist and overall performance on Saturday earned him a WhoScored rating of 7.6, the second best on the pitch behind Sidwell.

He was a constant menace for the whole match, creating three chances while also attempting four shots of his own, and his 57 touches made him once of the Baggies’ most involved players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 03:47:20 PM
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/41967/cc/5739

013/14 English Premier League
GAMES   GOALS   ASSISTS   SHOTS
24           3            5           46



Oh and also our leader of assists this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 22, 2014, 03:49:49 PM
Given that Brunt is basically the person who has taken 99% of our corners and free-kicks for the past few years then it stands to reason through the law of averages that he will feature higher than others from other clubs especially like Chelsea who share it around amongst a variety of players and have two players named in that article (Mata was obviously with Chelsea at that time).

The comment - also has a mean strike of his own from direct free-kicks. is pure embarassing given the number of free-kicks he takes and wastes whilst taking a shot at goal. I would guess Steven Reid has an actual better ratio of goals scored.

Our set-pieces are appalling for a club of this level no matter who is taking them and Brunt is as guilty as the rest.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 03:59:17 PM
http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/41967/cc/5739

013/14 English Premier League
GAMES   GOALS   ASSISTS   SHOTS
24           3            5           46



Oh and also our leader of assists this season.

Fantastic!

The only problem comes when you realise we have won only 2 of those games...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 04:01:51 PM
Fantastic!

The only problem comes when you realise we have won only 2 of those games...

Fantastic!

And without Brunt's assists we would have lost another 3...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 04:08:03 PM
Fantastic!

And without Brunt's assists we would have lost another 3...

Nothing to do with the player who actually scored then.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2014, 04:24:57 PM
Fantastic!

And without Brunt's assists we would have lost another 3...
shhhhh!! They might all twig...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2014, 04:31:48 PM
shhhhh!! They might all twig...
So what do you think of his free kicks which have been discussed here today ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
free kicks as in, taking a shot at goal
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2014, 04:35:51 PM
Poor for about 3 seasons, but I prefer to see him on them than say Reid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
shhhhh!! They might all twig...

Twig what?

I've accepted that he provides a good number of assists from set plays and open play. I still don't think his overall game warrants a place in the first team. Assists are just one part of a midfielder's role.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 04:48:27 PM
Nothing to do with the player who actually scored then.

And it was nothing to do with the player who assisted them then?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on April 22, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
Brunt is the new Greening for me. Was a decent player but his better days are behind him. It's a fact that we look a better side without him and results would back that up. We managed to survive life after Greening quite comfortably and I hope a new real leader is bought in over the summer and given the armband. Last night he was totally gutless. The skipper should lead by example and put a shift in yet he went missing for the entire game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
Twig what?

I've accepted that he provides a good number of assists from set plays and open play. I still don't think his overall game warrants a place in the first team. Assists are just one part of a midfielder's role.

Yes one part of a midfielders role and he does it the best out of every single one we have at the club this season and every one we have had over the last four seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 05:08:42 PM
And it was nothing to do with the player who assisted them then?

Of course it is - where have I denied that?

You are incredibly difficult to have a discussion with as you seem unwilling to accept any alternative viewpoint.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
Yes one part of a midfielders role and he does it the best out of every single one we have at the club this season and every one we have had over the last four seasons.

See previous post.

Come back when you are feeling a little more objective.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 22, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
All this talk of how many assists he has to his name is meaningless as he INSISTS on taking all the free kicks that are in the opponents half, all the corners from the right of the pitch, and sometimes from the left as well. Of course he is going to get the odd assist. Now, if any of the Brunt fan club could provide me with any statistics over the last 3 seasons about how many assists he has compared to others from open play, then I will listen. Any takers? Not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 05:19:41 PM
Of course it is - where have I denied that?

You are incredibly difficult to have a discussion with as you seem unwilling to accept any alternative viewpoint.

I don't have to 'accept' any alternative viewpoint. I considered your view/statistic that when Brunt plays we have only won two games as being fair enough because it is true.

Heres my 'alternative viewpoint' for you and your statistic.

We have picked up more points this year with Brunt on the pitch than with him off it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
I don't have to 'accept' any alternative viewpoint. I considered your view/statistic that when Brunt plays we have only won two games as being fair enough because it is true.

Heres my 'alternative viewpoint' for you and your statistic.

We have picked up more points this year with Brunt on the pitch than with him off it.

You know that is a deeply flawed statistic, but thanks for enlightening me all the same.

'Accept' was the wrong choice of word, my apologies. You seem unwilling to engage with alternative viewpoints - better?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
You know that is a deeply flawed statistic, but thanks for enlightening me all the same.

'Accept' was the wrong choice of word, my apologies. You seem unwilling to engage with alternative viewpoints - better?

No more flawed than the 2 wins one surely? You can twist stats to suit your (or my) argument.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 22, 2014, 05:46:49 PM
No more flawed than the 2 wins one surely? You can twist stats to suit your (or my) argument.

Indeed.

However, I would argue the 2 wins statistic, which uses a sample of 24 games, provides a viable discussion point, especially when the other 4 wins this season have come from 10 games when Brunt hasn't been present.

The stat put forward by WSBaggie just highlights that Brunt has played more games this season. A more interesting stat would be points per minutes on the pitch, agreed?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on April 22, 2014, 05:52:13 PM
I have long been a supporter of Chris Brunt but his confidence seems to have gone and all too often caught 'ball watching', as for the first goal last night. He was shocking last night; people criticise Ridgewell and whilst he was also very poor last night, he crossed the ball far better than Brunt did. I'm no fan of Popov, but if he isn't going to be used when our regular left back is injured, then why is he still at the Club?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 22, 2014, 05:57:56 PM
Our good run in March coincided with him being injured.

Do you not think it coincided with us playing some of the poorer sides in the division?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 22, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
Unfortunately because of Ridgwell he has got a bye
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 22, 2014, 06:54:35 PM
I was a big Pepe Mel supporter at the outset.  However, I think he's made himself more comfortable in the hot seat by colluding and compromising to what Kiely and Downing want in terms of tactics and team selection.

They shoehorn Brunt into the side at any given opportunity, we now hear he's playing left back.  Maybe Mel will be more independent next season?  Maybe he can bring his own Spanish coaches? 

I'm losing my positivity and I am fearing only one outcome.  Let's hope as Albion fans we can get the elusive win on Saturday and any fears will be dispelled.

I think many WBA fans have been frustrated with managerial incompetence.  The form of Dorrans being the biggest example (nowhere to be seen until March).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 22, 2014, 07:38:25 PM
I was a big Pepe Mel supporter at the outset.  However, I think he's made himself more comfortable in the hot seat by colluding and compromising to what Kiely and Downing want in terms of tactics and team selection.

They shoehorn Brunt into the side at any given opportunity, we now hear he's playing left back.  Maybe Mel will be more independent next season?  Maybe he can bring his own Spanish coaches? 

I'm losing my positivity and I am fearing only one outcome.  Let's hope as Albion fans we can get the elusive win on Saturday and any fears will be dispelled.

I think many WBA fans have been frustrated with managerial incompetence.  The form of Dorrans being the biggest example (nowhere to be seen until March).

Agree fully with Dorrans he has never seemed to be rated by many of our managers and I really like him.

Can't agree with Brunt he has been picked by the last five managers we have had and been made captain by 4 of them. It's not shoehorning him in, he earns his spot just as everyone else does.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 22, 2014, 07:50:32 PM
Agree fully with Dorrans he has never seemed to be rated by many of our managers and I really like him.

Can't agree with Brunt he has been picked by the last five managers we have had and been made captain by 4 of them. It's not shoehorning him in, he earns his spot just as everyone else does.

OK so it's allright to go back 5 seasons (when Brunt was younger and more athletic) and say because he was made captain then it's OK to carry on in 2013/14?  Why not play John Wile he was captain in 1982?

Are you completely led by Managers and ex-Managers in that they are always right?  Do you always sit on the fence and uphold what the Manager / Coaching Staff do? 

If we all do this what is the point in anyone else divulging their opinion?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 22, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
OK so it's allright to go back 5 seasons (when Brunt was younger and more athletic) and say because he was made captain then it's OK to carry on in 2013/14?  Why not play John Wile he was captain in 1982?

Are you completely led by Managers and ex-Managers in that they are always right?  Do you always sit on the fence and uphold what the Manager / Coaching Staff do? 

If we all do this what is the point in anyone else divulging their opinion?
Personally I am more likely to accept the opinion of the people earning their living from the game than the opinion of a fairly anonymous bloke on the internet. 5 coaches at our club, including the current England coach, and numerous Irish international managers or man on a forum? You are entitled to divulge your opinion and likewise we are entitled to dismiss or accept it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 22, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Personally I am more likely to accept the opinion of the people earning their living from the game than the opinion of a fairly anonymous bloke on the internet. 5 coaches at our club, including the current England coach, and numerous Irish international managers or man on a forum? You are entitled to divulge your opinion and likewise we are entitled to dismiss or accept it.

You're correct, Kiely and Downing have always been a superb management team and we're only the mugs who pay extortionate prices to put our faith in them employing the correct playing 11, formation, tactics and know-how to win football matches. 

Because I haven't got coaching badges, I haven't really got a leg to stand on!  Football will always be a massively complicated game where you require Einstein's to understand it!

Let's give Brunt and Morrison 3 year extensions in the summer, most WBA fans think they deserve it!  By the way that Dorrans has been playing too well, he's getting a bit too good, I think we should get rid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
You're correct, Kiely and Downing have always been a superb management team and we're only the mugs who pay extortionate prices to put our faith in them employing the correct playing 11, formation, tactics and know-how to win football matches. 

Because I haven't got coaching badges, I haven't really got a leg to stand on!  Football will always be a massively complicated game where you require Einstein's to understand it!

Let's give Brunt and Morrison 3 year extensions in the summer, most WBA fans think they deserve it!  By the way that Dorrans has been playing too well, he's getting a bit too good, I think we should get rid.

Everything on here is about opinions mate, but you make outlandish claims about Brunt inclusion in the side and it clearly damages your credibility. Whereas VVV gave examples of why he believes you to be wrong. Your response is then laced with sarcasm which by the way is totally out of context, Dorrans has been playing okay, he's not pulling up any trees. Prior to his injury and along with Claudio Yacob, Brunt had been by far our best player under Mel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on April 22, 2014, 09:44:03 PM
Everything on here is about opinions mate, but you make outlandish claims about Brunt inclusion in the side and it clearly damages your credibility. Whereas VVV gave examples of why he believes you to be wrong. Your response is then laced with sarcasm which by the way is totally out of context, Dorrans has been playing okay, he's not pulling up any trees. Prior to his injury and along with Claudio Yacob, Brunt had been by far our best player under Mel.

No mate - you don't like being wrong and won't admit so at any cost.  I think you're arrogant beyond belief regarding this matter.  However, I wouldn't be foolish enough to judge you as a person regarding this alone.

That really wasn't Dorrans scoring that goal last night it was someone else.  It wasn't Brunt failing to track the header for the 1st goal it was someone else.

I think we'll go down and I sincerely hope I'm wrong, and that's with or without CB playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 23, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
OK so it's allright to go back 5 seasons (when Brunt was younger and more athletic) and say because he was made captain then it's OK to carry on in 2013/14?  Why not play John Wile he was captain in 1982?

Are you completely led by Managers and ex-Managers in that they are always right?  Do you always sit on the fence and uphold what the Manager / Coaching Staff do? 

If we all do this what is the point in anyone else divulging their opinion?

The point is Brunt has got stick since his first season here.

There's people who don't rate him and then there's people who just have a pure dislike for him...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on April 24, 2014, 11:39:28 AM
Not a fan of Chris Brunt at all, he is easily the worst performing midfield player, Ridgwell concedes a goal per game, without Brunt in front of him, and 1.8 goals per game with him in front, 0.75 points per game when Brunt plays, yes it's all about the team and not individuals, maybe you should tell Chris Brunt that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 24, 2014, 01:07:27 PM
Not a fan of Chris Brunt at all, he is easily the worst performing midfield player, Ridgwell concedes a goal per game, without Brunt in front of him, and 1.8 goals per game with him in front, 0.75 points per game when Brunt plays, yes it's all about the team and not individuals, maybe you should tell Chris Brunt that.

Yawn, these stats again? I bet they're on this thread 8 or 9 times now, FYI Ridgewell doesn't concede any goals, Albion do. Top assists for the last 4 seasons...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 24, 2014, 01:13:18 PM
Yawn, these stats again? I bet they're on this thread 8 or 9 times now, FYI Ridgewell doesn't concede any goals, Albion do. Top assists for the last 4 seasons...

They also make no mention of the quality of the opposition, but I've mentioned that little argument several times as well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 24, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
They also make no mention of the quality of the opposition, but I've mentioned that little argument several times as well.

That has been noted by myself and others. Nevertheless, the stat remains an interesting discussion point surely, agree?

And here is hypocrisy of many of the ardent Brunt supporters who continue to bring up the assist stats: do they take into account the quality of the opposition? Or is that irrelevant for this stat?

That isn't directed at you FallOutBoy in particular, more a general point.

Statistics provide an interesting starting point for discussion, but I prefer to rely on observation to form my core opinion; that remains Brunt, although a wonderful club servant, is not performing at the level we require in the Premierleague.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on April 24, 2014, 02:29:15 PM
Yawn, these stats again? I bet they're on this thread 8 or 9 times now, FYI Ridgewell doesn't concede any goals, Albion do. Top assists for the last 4 seasons...

To be fair I would expect Brunt to finish with the most assists when he generally takes most the set pieces.

That said I do rate Brunt, but you cant hide away from the statistics.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 24, 2014, 06:29:19 PM
Yawn, these stats again? I bet they're on this thread 8 or 9 times now, FYI Ridgewell doesn't concede any goals, Albion do. Top assists for the last 4 seasons...
Yawn, these stats again? As I said in my previous post, I would be more convinced of Brunt's contribution if you can provide stats for his assists that have come from open play compared to other players. I very much doubt if he would still be top for assists. But no doubt you will ignore this point as it doesn't suit your argument.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 24, 2014, 08:14:06 PM
Yawn, these stats again? As I said in my previous post, I would be more convinced of Brunt's contribution if you can provide stats for his assists that have come from open play compared to other players. I very much doubt if he would still be top for assists. But no doubt you will ignore this point as it doesn't suit your argument.

Can't get any data for previous seasons after a brief look, but this season he has 5 assists and 3 are from open play... 3 in total is the next highest number of assists from an Albion player.

So he's top overall and joint top in open play.

Never doubt Brunty Timdon  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 24, 2014, 09:13:03 PM
We do need him to up his game from the Man City display though. As well as the free kick sent sailing into the crowd he had at least two very good crossing opportunities which he made a hash of. At this level you just don't get that many opportunities and we really need to make things count now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 24, 2014, 09:54:01 PM
I think to question how many come from set pieces is a bit of a weird issue. The defending team is actually more prepared to defend a cross rather than from open play, so surely it is more difficult to pick out a player for a direct assist? Also every Premier League team has certain routines they try from set pieces that depend on both taker and multiple runners getting their timings right, so it could be conceived as a higher level of skill - ironically it's one Sam Allardyce's teams pride themselves on, as Sam often notes the amount of goals from set plays in the league. But if that is true, shouldn't he have more assists from set pieces?

We could go backwards and forwards about this debating stats and their context, but at a certain point it will all come back to the importance you place on certain aspects of the game that will inform your decisions. I guess we'll find out in the summer how the club see things, but my guess is that they take a 'moneyball' approach to certain things, and Brunt will still be here being maligned this time next year.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 26, 2014, 10:58:43 PM
Give him his due, he put a shift in today.

As captain lead by example. Put some beautiful crosses first half and second half worked tirelessly at lb.

Well done CB
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 27, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
Give him his due, he put a shift in today.

As captain lead by example. Put some beautiful crosses first half and second half worked tirelessly at lb.

Well done CB

Indeed, I don't think it was a coincidence that we stopped getting torn apart on the wings when Reid went off. I think Brunt performed as well at LB as I have seen Ridgewell play all season, not to take away from the effort Ridgewell puts in, I just don't think he is technically good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on April 27, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
Indeed, I don't think it was a coincidence that we stopped getting torn apart on the wings when Reid went off. I think Brunt performed as well at LB as I have seen Ridgewell play all season, not to take away from the effort Ridgewell puts in, I just don't think he is technically good enough.

Totally agree. Brunt was superb yesterday, and in my view looks our best option at left back at the minute. He was immense.

A real captains performance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 27, 2014, 09:24:54 AM
But it must also be acknowledged the shift that Dorrrans put in, in front of brunt, protecting him.
that's whatrRidgewell lacks when brunt there. Likewise am Alfie didn't offer much protection for reid's lack ofof pace.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on April 27, 2014, 09:51:48 AM
Don't like Brunt in midfield but he looked solid at left back with Dorrans in front of him. Hopefully he'll start at left back next week as we'll.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 27, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
A big advantage of having Brunt left back is that it gives us a player in the defense who can pass the ball out, instead of the Olson, GMac pinging it 50 yards for it to come straight back. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 27, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Totally agree. Brunt was superb yesterday, and in my view looks our best option at left back at the minute. He was immense.

A real captains performance.

I agree with this. Made the switch to left back look very easy.

Also good to have someone of his ability on the ball just to put a calming edge on proceedings when needed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2014, 04:40:21 PM
Maybe its a case of letting Reid, Popov and Ridgewell go.  Buy a right back to compete with Jones, assuming we keep him AND buy a 1st choice LB with Brunt as the backup (and Jones able to swap over if needed)....so 3 out and 2 in as far as fullback goes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 27, 2014, 04:56:21 PM
I know we're bound to get all the ''die Popov/Ridgewell die'' with this but does anyone know why Popov isn't available, it said that Jones and Brunt are the only available full-backs on the website. Does anyone know what has happened to Popov with Reid and Ridgwell both injured?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 27, 2014, 04:58:27 PM
I know we're bound to get all the ''die Popov/Ridgewell die''

What a load of nonsense. When has any of that been said on this forum?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 27, 2014, 05:04:24 PM
What a load of nonsense. When has any of that been said on this forum?

Its called being satirical Liam ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 27, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
Its called being satirical Liam ;D

Its in poor taste for any reason, those people are scum who put such views in the ether.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on April 27, 2014, 06:16:39 PM
I know we're bound to get all the ''die Popov/Ridgewell die'' with this but does anyone know why Popov isn't available, it said that Jones and Brunt are the only available full-backs on the website. Does anyone know what has happened to Popov with Reid and Ridgwell both injured?

It was pretty clear from what Pepe said last week that Popov isn't under consideration. He spoke about him not having had game time recently (I paraphrase) and the he wouldn't be keen to play him in these last crucial games with so little match practice.

He also said he thought the lack of competition in that position was not good for Ridge.

I think you can take that whole package as a statement that he doesn't rate Goran too highly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 27, 2014, 07:57:52 PM
It was pretty clear from what Pepe said last week that Popov isn't under consideration. He spoke about him not having had game time recently (I paraphrase) and the he would
Lent be keen to play him in these last crucial games with so little match practice.

He also said he thought the lack of competition in that position was not good for Ridge.

I think you can take that whole package as a statement that he doesn't rate Goran too highly.

Ah thank you, couldn't find anything on it for some reason
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2014, 09:22:42 PM
Yes I think we can assume that Popov has hardly been pushing for a recall in training.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on April 27, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
Totally agree. Brunt was superb yesterday, and in my view looks our best option at left back at the minute. He was immense.

A real captains performance.
brunt was superb at left back yesterday,he has a much better positional sense than ridgewell and as mentioned it gives us an option of a good pass straight from the backline
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on May 13, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
What with Gmac, Foster and Reid all putting in their tenpence worth about how they didnt take to Mel and how wonderful they think Downing and Keily have been, it would be interesting to hear the view of our captain, Chris Brunt. Is he not meant to be the spokesman for the team (as he seems to be on the pitch), or is he merely the shop steward?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2014, 06:35:07 PM
and guess who the club captain will be again next season.Yes you guessed it, the club have taken the years option.Happy?Ridgwell has left the building
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 16, 2014, 06:43:44 PM
Not really a surprise to be honest
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2014, 09:10:02 PM
Excellent news, as player and as captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on May 16, 2014, 09:11:35 PM
Is Brunt 1st choice left back now or left wing or left central midfield?  Does he know himself?

I said there was a clique last season and it's been proven correct.  Obviously Pepe Mel wanted to break up this clique and it was torpedoed by Peace.

Why Downing & Kiely?  And not the management team from the Bull & Bladder in Tipton?  It's just a cheap option.  And Brunt and all the rest will know they'll be looked after for another season by D&K.

Until the clique is broken we won't progress, simple as.  We can sign Xavi, Iniesta & Busquests but Brunt, Morrison & Dorrans would block them from getting a game!

Feel a little for Ridgewell, hasn't been any worse than many others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on May 16, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
We don't know who the clique are but I am pleased Reid ridgewell and Lugano gone .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PepeMel on July 25, 2014, 12:42:03 PM
Is Chris still the club captain?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on July 25, 2014, 12:50:41 PM
Hope he gets his deal, not our best player but he's one of those that doesn't hide and worth a place in the team on his day.
Not so sure he will be a regular starter, some of the players being bought in now have a little more pace than Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 25, 2014, 01:44:48 PM
Lescott or Foster should get the captaincy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 25, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
If it's not broken then don't fix it.

In Brunt we have a consumate professional - someone respected by team mates and coaches. There's no need to go disrupting the morale of the dressing room. I also would like to see him given a contract extention - very good footballer and someone who has played a major part in getting us to where we are now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on July 25, 2014, 01:50:50 PM
I'm not a CB fan and I definately do not think he's a leader on the pitch.

personally i'd give it to Mulla, he will run through walls for the team, his enthusiasm is infectious, if a little OTT at times. I think he would become a better player with the added responsibility as well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on July 25, 2014, 01:52:58 PM
Changing the captain won't make a slight bit of difference. Brunt is a great servant and professional and deserves the armband.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbatillidie on July 25, 2014, 02:21:47 PM
I'm not a CB fan and I definately do not think he's a leader on the pitch.

personally i'd give it to Mulla, he will run through walls for the team, his enthusiasm is infectious, if a little OTT at times. I think he would become a better player with the added responsibility as well.

Sorry if i'm being stupid but who is Mulla?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PepeMel on July 25, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
Sorry if i'm being stupid but who is Mulla?



He comes from Africa hes better than Kaka
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 07, 2014, 10:35:32 AM
So Brunt stays as captain under a 5th different manager, he must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: monkey nuts on August 07, 2014, 10:47:05 AM
a captain who may not play interesting
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 07, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
a captain who may not play interesting

He's a nailed on starter when he's fit. I'm sure the captaincy has something to do with this. For me he slows us down far too much and stifles our play. Our best spells, especially the counter attacking play at the beginning of Clarke's reign came with him out of the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: joeymayo on August 07, 2014, 10:50:14 AM
a captain who may not play interesting
Would suggest that behind the scenes Brunt is performing admirably with the role given to him by a number of head coaches, obviously a talent that us mortals cannot see.
I would suggest him not playing is wrong in this instance I can see him playing plenty and fully deserved.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sing on our own on August 07, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
I like Brunt as captain and clearly a lot of coaches/managers do, he must be very influential on the dressing room and have the players respect.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 07, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
He's a nailed on starter when he's fit.
Which shouldn't be the case, should it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 07, 2014, 12:24:21 PM
As it stands with very few wingers in the squad then when Brunt is fit he will play. But once we've signed a couple of wingers he may not be first choice anymore. In that case we have plenty of able deputies to captain the team in Olsson, McAuley, Foster and Lescott.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2014, 12:30:50 PM
I just do not get it, on evidence of match days, I cannot understand how he is captain.

IMO he, Slows stuff down, often looks lethargic, the wand is used very sparingly, Leaves full back exposed too often. Congests central midfield too often. Clearly I don't understand his attributes and the professionals do.
Good job I'm in engineering.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
Alan Irvine didn't want to rock the boat.

That's his first mistake.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 07, 2014, 12:46:41 PM
I just do not get it, on evidence of match days, I cannot understand how he is captain.

IMO he, Slows stuff down, often looks lethargic, the wand is used very sparingly, Leaves full back exposed too often. Congests central midfield too often. Clearly I don't understand his attributes and the professionals do.
Good job I'm in engineering.

Have to say I agree (apart from the bit about working in engineering!). I don't think I've ever seen him encourage players or try and fire the team up on the field. Often he flaps his arms around and looks frustrated....especially when he loses the ball / mis-plays a pass or doesn't get a foul he thinks he should. Olsson and Mulumbu are often seen trying to fire up the team and either would make better captains IMO.

In his defence though he was one of our better and more consistent players under Mel and like Dorrans seemed to get his mojo back. Obviously I can't comment on his off-field duties as captain.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2014, 12:53:46 PM
Alan Irvine didn't want to rock the boat.

That's his first mistake.

Should Brunt really be here anyway but i agree with you Irvine probably doesnt want to rock the boat
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 07, 2014, 01:07:16 PM
Derek McInnes. A real example of a captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
Sean Gregan, John Wile, Johnny Giles, Chris Brunt, pick the odd one out!

And no its not Wile because he isn't Irish !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: monkey nuts on August 07, 2014, 01:09:59 PM
He's a nailed on starter when he's fit. I'm sure the captaincy has something to do with this. For me he slows us down far too much and stifles our play. Our best spells, especially the counter attacking play at the beginning of Clarke's reign came with him out of the side.
well he shouldn't be for the reasons you've given and for his part in the Mel debacle
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on August 07, 2014, 01:15:34 PM
Am I missing something, what has Brunt done wrong?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Am I missing something, what has Brunt done wrong?
Nothing wrong, but is he captain material ?
Why do 5 consecutive coaches think he is?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 07, 2014, 01:21:06 PM
Nothing wrong, but is he captain material ?
Why do 5 consecutive coaches think he is?

Basically very few managers are going to come in and strip Brunt of the captaincy. It would alienate him and the rest of the clique straight away. That's not to say he's the right man for the job though. For me he isn't.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on August 07, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
Nothing wrong, but is he captain material ?
Why do 5 consecutive coaches think he is?

That says a lot really doesn't it, if he wasn't why would 5 consecutive managers stick with him? Doubt it is pot luck.

Been with us 7 years now, always put in 100%, obviously very popular and does a lot around the dressing room (hence the captaincy staying with him) yet he takes an awful lot of stick and I'm struggling to see why?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BRANDHALL_REGGIE on August 07, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
IMO he's not a leader of men had an ok season in his earlier days out wide he done a great job plenty of ball coming but in the center he seems to slow our play down and when it goes wrong he stands there with his arms out blaming others defo dont want Olsson nor Foster could have Gardner or Lescott done or even Macauley
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 07, 2014, 01:48:45 PM
Why upset him? will he be a regular in the team ?, depends who we bring in I guess.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2014, 01:56:05 PM
No one on here knows what he's like behind the scenes so judging him is a bit stupid when 5 different managers have all given him captaincy. If he wasn't captain material, he'd have been stripped of it by now.

Not every captain has to be stomping round, shouting at refs with their sleeves rolled up. You can still be a leader and have authority without these qualities - he's been at the club for years now and is clearly thought of highly. Plus, he has coaching badges so clearly knows how to organise others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2014, 02:13:08 PM
Am I missing something, what has Brunt done wrong?

He doesn't scream and shout, you know all that stuff about passion and whatnot that are often seen as leadership qualities.

In all seriousness he's done nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2014, 02:17:59 PM
I like Brunt, only thing I have against him is when he drifts inside all the time when he's supposed to be on the wing leaving the left-back exposed. As a leader its difficult to judge based on what we see during games, I saw enough last season to see he has really grown into the position of captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2014, 02:21:30 PM
I agree at times he slows things down and I'm not a fan when he drifts in the middle and our fullback gets out numbered yet Brunt must have the highest amount of assists over the last few seasons and nobody on here knows what goes on behind the scenes (apart from the ITK ) . Just because he doesn't scream and spit doesn't mean he doesn't care , i do want to see him sticking to the left  and being more consistent but i don't see he has done much wrong to be bombed out in all honesty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2014, 02:28:16 PM
I agree at times he slows things down and I'm not a fan when he drifts in the middle and our fullback gets out numbered yet Brunt must have the highest amount of assists over the last few seasons and nobody on here knows what goes on behind the scenes (apart from the ITK ) . Just because he doesn't scream and spit doesn't mean he doesn't care , i do want to see him sticking to the left  and being more consistent but i don't see he has done much wrong to be bombed out in all honesty.

Stands to reason given he takes the vast majority of set-pieces. Under Mel Brunt and Dorrans were the stand out performers but along with others they now have to earn a place in the side on merit. The squad is evolving and there should be no guarantees on places (maybe Foster the exception).

As for the armband makes no sense to take it off him whether he will be a regular or not. Personally not my choice as a captain but still pointless to take it off him for no reason.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on August 07, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
Look, I don't want to sound like a broken record but....

I am grateful for the fantastic service Chris has given to this club. He has been a model professional and a solid performer. However, I can't see a role for him in a team who are looking to secure a mid table position in the premier league. Assuming we buy a left winger (by Christ we need one) then I just can't find a space in the starting line-up for him. This does not make me a "hater" or negative, it just means that I feel that it's time to move on from Chris.

For the record, I think he is a decent captain and an obvious candidate - I just don't rate him as highly as others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2014, 02:36:43 PM
You are quite correct on the number of set pieces Brunt takes mate but at the same time we haven't had much joy out any other players over the last few seasons , we must not forget Brunt has had his fair share of spells out the side and nobody really stood out set piece wise .
One thing i will say is I'm not convinced we would have won at Norwich if Brunt had played as Dorrans and Ridgewell did an excellent job on Snodgrass , neither went far from him yet Brunt does have that bad habit of drifting in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 07, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
The things that make Brunt a valuable player like his assist rate etc have nothing whatsoever to do with making him an effective captain though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mannimc on August 07, 2014, 02:56:04 PM
Dissapointing for me

I see Brunt now as a squad player, making him captain means he is likely to play most games

More arm shrugging and moanig
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2014, 03:11:04 PM
Brunty still skipper, I'm in shock, 5 consecutive managers including a Champions League winner and the England coach? Idiots the lot of them.

All I've read on this forum for the last month or so is Irvine is here now so lets get behind him. How about we apply the same logic to our loyal club captain (top assists from open play AND set-pieces last season, and top overall assists for each of the last 4 Premier League seasons).

A shoe-in in midfield when fit irrespective of who we sign, if he doesn't sign a new contract Premier League sides will be queuing up for his signature.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2014, 03:11:51 PM
Brunt has not been the same footballer since he was given the armband. Lescott should be the man
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2014, 03:25:01 PM

With Brunt as captain we have achieved our longest stay in the premier league and our highest finish in the top flight in modern times, so I can’t see how a claim he is not good enough is a fair one.  He is 29 so in a few years I can understand his performances could start slowing down.

Last season’s poor performances were beyond the control of the captain. For me he has always shown hard work and shouldered the criticism when necessary.

I don’t see any reason why it should be removed from him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
Big fan of Brunty, removing the captains arm band from him is pointless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 07, 2014, 03:50:44 PM
I like him, although there are times when I wish he was more positive at times (throwing his arms up in frustration is one of my pet hates, although he might not have done that as much last season as I didn't see that much)

Anyway my point was going to be, he's been kept on as Club Captain (?) that doesn't mean he has to captain the side does it? Or that he gets picked automatically?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2014, 04:05:30 PM
I like him, although there are times when I wish he was more positive at times (throwing his arms up in frustration is one of my pet hates, although he might not have done that as much last season as I didn't see that much)

Anyway my point was going to be, he's been kept on as Club Captain (?) that doesn't mean he has to captain the side does it? Or that he gets picked automatically?

It means when he is selected he will be skipper, no one is an automatic pick, though for me when Brunt is fit he should always play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2014, 05:03:27 PM
Brunt has not been the same footballer since he was given the armband. Lescott should be the man
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Lescott only managed about 30 mins of Pre season so far ? , I personally don't think it would be right to come straight in as captain given Brunt's done about 5 years and most of it in the top flight.
I personally think Lescott needs to get fit before anything else.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 07, 2014, 05:54:04 PM
Stands to reason given he takes the vast majority of set-pieces. Under Mel Brunt and Dorrans were the stand out performers but along with others they now have to earn a place in the side on merit. The squad is evolving and there should be no guarantees on places (maybe Foster the exception).

As for the armband makes no sense to take it off him whether he will be a regular or not. Personally not my choice as a captain but still pointless to take it off him for no reason.
And the reason he takes the vast majority of set pieces?  One of the best strikers of a dead ball we have in the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
Brunt has not been the same footballer since he was given the armband. Lescott should be the man

Yep, he'd be very influential from the treatment table. Lets see how many games he plays before we give him the armband.
Might strain his shoulder otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2014, 06:34:43 PM
And the reason he takes the vast majority of set pieces?  One of the best strikers of a dead ball we have in the club.

Be nice to finds out what others can do then. At Forest on Saturday we could have scored from 3 Dorrans corners yet last season his weren't good enough, Brunt took one and it went straight into the keepers hands. None are consistently good enough and thats going back a few years to when Greening took every single one.

Free kicks, corners just not been good enough for a long time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 07, 2014, 07:50:55 PM
I think this captaincy debate is a load of nonsense to be honest, I don't see why people in this country place such emphasis on the role. It is irrelevant who is captain because our team should come with numerous leaders anyway. The captaincy role has widened from the bloke who does plenty of shouting on the pitch, it's more about the off the field matters and having met Chris Brunt on numerous occasions in off the field activities alongside the Albion foundation, he excels so it is hardly surprising he has been chosen to represent the club yet again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 07, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
Brunt has not been the same footballer since he was given the armband. Lescott should be the man

He's been captain for five years now and throughout those five years he has been very consistent. And has no doubt improved.

We should take lessons from Wolves - they signed Roger Johnson and appointed him captain. It destroyed the morale within their dressing room - morale which has been important in their fights for survival. We shouldn't do the same.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on August 07, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Brunty still skipper, I'm in shock, 5 consecutive managers including a Champions League winner and the England coach? Idiots the lot of them.

All I've read on this forum for the last month or so is Irvine is here now so lets get behind him. How about we apply the same logic to our loyal club captain (top assists from open play AND set-pieces last season, and top overall assists for each of the last 4 Premier League seasons).

A shoe-in in midfield when fit irrespective of who we sign, if he doesn't sign a new contract Premier League sides will be queuing up for his signature.
and what premier league sides would that be then?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
I would think everyone outside Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on August 07, 2014, 08:47:49 PM
should never be captain , sorry never a leader long as on the pitch , head drops to easy and stands there blaming everyone else .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on August 07, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
I would think everyone outside Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs.

If that was the case I'm sure we would have had offers for him before now.

Maybe the top championship clubs would jump at taking him, but Premier League ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2014, 11:02:11 PM
should never be captain , sorry never a leader long as on the pitch , head drops to easy and stands there blaming everyone else .

Bang on.
Ability wise has been carried by his left foot that hasn't been all that effective in recent times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2014, 01:23:20 AM
If that was the case I'm sure we would have had offers for him before now.

Maybe the top championship clubs would jump at taking him, but Premier League ???

How do you know we haven't had offers for him before? I'm not saying we have but offers aren't always made public.

I do think there would be Premier League clubs interested in taking him if he was available but not as many as Jacko reckons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2014, 08:01:32 AM
Interesting headline on newsnow for wba last night.

Sutton observer 16:34. Brunt to remain ass Albion captain

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/727328276?-11200:789
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on August 08, 2014, 10:56:56 AM
He's been captain for five years now and throughout those five years he has been very consistent. And has no doubt improved.

We should take lessons from Wolves - they signed Roger Johnson and appointed him captain. It destroyed the morale within their dressing room - morale which has been important in their fights for survival. We shouldn't do the same.

While I agree that giving Lescott the armband is premature, I think Brunt has done anything but improve over the last few years, probably 3 or 4.  Too slow and lazy with the ball. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: addy on August 10, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  2m
Check out http://www.wba.co.uk  at 5pm for more good news from The Hawthorns #wba

Though might not be to do with transfers, hopefully it is.

Might be a contract extension.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on August 10, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  2m
Check out http://www.wba.co.uk  at 5pm for more good news from The Hawthorns #wba

Though might not be to do with transfers, hopefully it is.

Might be a contract extension.

Oh man please be a signing!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 10, 2014, 04:56:23 PM
I expect it to be something completely different like a new training kit sponsor
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on August 10, 2014, 04:57:46 PM
I just went on it said Chris Brunt signs new contract but now been took off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 10, 2014, 04:58:27 PM
brunt signed new deal...wow
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 10, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Brunt signs new three year deal.

Baggies skipper pledges long-term future to the club

CHRIS Brunt has pledged his long-term future to Albion by signing a new-and-improved three-year contract.

The Baggies earlier this summer activated a 12-month option on the midfielder’s pre-existing deal and Brunt has now put pen to paper on fresh terms.

The Northern Ireland international’s three-year contract means he is committed to The Hawthorns until June 2017.

Albion head coach Alan Irvine said: “I’m delighted we have extended Chris’ contract by a further two years.

“He’s our captain, has great quality and experience and is clearly a very, very important player for us.

“Chris is an influential figure both on and off the pitch. He has the respect of all the players and staff and is a top class professional.”

Brunt is currently the Baggies’ second longest-serving first-team regular, having moved to The Hawthorns in August 2007.

He recently returned to action from a pre-season groin operation and his next competitive appearance for the club will be his 250th in all competitions.

He is also Albion’s second-top Premier League goalscorer, with 20 to his name, and regularly figures highly in the top-flight chart for goal assists.

The 29-year-old took over the captain’s armband from Scott Carson during the 2010/11 campaign and has remained skipper under Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke, Pepe Mel and now Irvine.

He boasts vital derby goals against Villa and Wolves during his time with the Baggies.

But his most memorable goal for the club remains his point-saving strike as a substitute against Southampton in the penultimate league game of the 2007/08 season, which effectively sealed Albion's automatic promotion back to the top flight.

In his first Premier League season with the Baggies he scored nine goals and was voted Players’ Player of the Year.

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/brunt-signs-new-albion-contract-1815347.aspx#XjJZlIf8j4u1DLKe.99
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: addy on August 10, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
Carry on as normal :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: palmaroy on August 10, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
Lets get the champagne out then
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on August 10, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
For the life of me I can't see why .what a bloody letdown . He is too bloody slow ffs .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2014, 05:16:11 PM
Best signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: royhan on August 10, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
For the life of me I can't see why .what a bloody letdown . He is too bloody slow ffs .

He won't be too slow in the Championship next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 10, 2014, 05:21:46 PM
He won't be too slow in the Championship next season.

The championship is far more end to end (quicker) than the PL so I don't really see your point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 10, 2014, 05:28:12 PM
Was inevitable that he would sign a new deal. In fairness to him if he can stay as disciplined when it comes to his position like he did in the Porto friendly he is a real asset.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 10, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Best signing of the summer.
Thought you might say that  :) , splits opinion but I'd sooner have him here at the minute than not .
Frustrating at times (especially drifting inside ) but does have great quality at key moments . Capable of better than last season like many and i hope we see it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on August 10, 2014, 05:46:28 PM
Not only is he a very good player (who proved it with a very good season last year) he's committed and loyal. As it says he's nearly at his 250th competitive appearance for us. That should be applauded.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: brummyroader on August 10, 2014, 05:49:59 PM
Good competitor and good on the ball, has skill and has been loyal to the club, glad he's staying for a extra 3 years gets lot of unfair stick from fans who don't fully understand the game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on August 10, 2014, 06:05:23 PM
Really dont get the dislike of him. Can undeestand if some people dont rate him but doesnt deserve the level of abuse he gets

As for 'why'

Brunt is currently the Baggies’ second longest-serving first-team regular, having moved to The Hawthorns in August 2007.

He recently returned to action from a pre-season groin operation and his next competitive appearance for the club will be his 250th in all competitions.

He is also Albion’s second-top Premier League goalscorer, with 20 to his name, and regularly figures highly in the top-flight chart for goal assists.

He boasts vital derby goals against Villa and Wolves during his time with the Baggies.

But his most memorable goal for the club remains his point-saving strike as a substitute against Southampton in the penultimate league game of the 2007/08 season, which effectively sealed Albion's automatic promotion back to the top flight.

In his first Premier League season with the Baggies he scored nine goals and was voted Players’ Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on August 10, 2014, 06:09:45 PM
brunt signed new deal...wow
wouldn't have given him 3 years ,in my opinion our midfield has gone stale with brunt and Morrison.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: shortybaggies on August 10, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
I don't understand the continued criticism from the 'anti-Brunt' party.

Undoubtly, and i know last season was poor, the best player in the side.
A very talented passer of the ball, has great vision and can certainly put a good ball in to the area for Big Vic and the like. Would question why people dislike him (pace is thrown about a few times? Is it really that key when his passing is as pinpoint and talented as it is?)

Seems recently to have been placed in a more central role, and would hazard a guess that'll be where he'll play this season if AI goes with the 5-3-2/ 5-4-1 with wing backs. Most consistent and I personally would hate to see the lad leave, puts in a shift every time I see him play. Very good player for the squad and has treated us/ and the club very well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2014, 06:22:52 PM
I'm not anti Brunt but we do play better without him IMO. Results over the last 2 seasons prove this. He's an ideal squad player and maybe good off the field but a 3 year deal is too long. Our midfield is stale and needs new blood. If the likes of Brunt, Morrison and Dorrans are regulars this season then I'm afraid we will struggle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on August 10, 2014, 06:26:31 PM
Anyone who thinks brunt is good knows nothing about football,he must have some real dirt on mr peace is the only reason I can think albion keep him . >:(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2014, 06:32:27 PM
Anyone who thinks brunt is good knows nothing about football,he must have some real dirt on mr peace is the only reason I can think albion keep him . >:(

 :o

The irony of this post...

So who does know something about football? Hodgson? Various Northern Ireland coaches? All the other Albion gaffers since 2007? Or you?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on August 10, 2014, 06:32:54 PM
Anyone who thinks brunt is good knows nothing about football,he must have some real dirt on mr peace is the only reason I can think albion keep him . >:(
wouldn't go that far but I wish someone else would take our free kicks because brunts shooting is rubbish, he gets lucky once in a while, I suppose he keeps the ball boys busy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Jono on August 10, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
Personally I would have put him on a 12 month rolling contract. Not a Brunt hater, been loyal through a lot of hard times, but we need better players. I think the same about Morrison. Both players have scored some great goals for Albion, but the both float in and out of games too much. Our midfield needs more creative, quick thinking, attacking midfielders. I thought the way Porto passed the ball on Saturday was great to watch. In the second half I don't think we managed to string two passes together. Pretty basic stuff when you consider the season starts on Saturday
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Definitely a slow news day Brunty has been on the Sky Sports News ticker for nearly two hours.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on August 10, 2014, 06:58:49 PM
Never understood the Brunt hating thing, i dont really see what he has done to warrant it.

I think last couple of seasons he has struggled, possibly due to the fact he is getting older and slower (he was never rapid anyway) and we have played counter attacking football which doesnt suit his style, however he has played no worse than 75% of our squad during that period yet seems to get picked out more than most and as far as i can recall, never let the club down on or off the pitch.

Position wise, it would take some work from both the club and the player himself but i think he could do with reinventing himself a bit, possibly in a 'Pirlo' type role. I think similar to Giggs, Beckham, etc who eventually moved inside, if he was told 'thats your position, we want you to be the playmaker, playing to your strengths, ie - passing' and go from there, it would take a lot of discipline and if he knew he wasnt just a stopgap like sometimes he has been, his use of the ball is probably superior to anybody else in our squad, its just utlilising it.

Dont understand why the complaints about his as captain either but its each to their own. I think there is a myth that captains have to yell and ball, beat the chest, some it works for, some it dont, Roy Keane was great at it, Bobby Moore was a talker, maybe Brunt is more a Bobby Moore style. From personal experience of playing (to nowhere near prem level i should add) i always found i learnt a lot more from somebody talking and advising, and yelling when needed, rather than shouting all the time. Now and again it can be annoying when he has a tantrum on the pitch but nobody is perfect, the only thing i want him to do more is no constantly moan at refs and linesmen, but hopefully that will change!

I think there are perhaps better leaders within our club like maybe Olsson and MacAuley, but they are just that way, they dont need a captains armband to be like it, maybe the 3-4 coaches who have made Brunt captain feel like it helps him, they cant all be wrong can they?!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: heycreative on August 10, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
Anyone who thinks brunt is good knows nothing about football,he must have some real dirt on mr peace is the only reason I can think albion keep him . >:(
This kind of blind negativity is why I've changed the location of my season ticket after 15 years in the Brummie road end. So Roy, Mowbray, Ashworth, Di Matteo and others know nothing about football? The modern football fan has become deluded. Whether it be MOTD, FIFA, football manager, sky, ticket prices, or whatever. A similar trend has emerged in pro wrestling amongst the fans but that's for another thread.
Brunt is a solid and proven premiership players. That's useful when we have unproven prem players like Davidson, poco, gamboa and brown coming in.
Here's to another 3 years of brunty. Hopefully all in the prem
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on August 10, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
:o

The irony of this post...

So who does know something about football? Hodgson? Various Northern Ireland coaches? All the other Albion gaffers since 2007? Or you?
never said I did only that anyone who thinks brunt is good does"nt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2014, 07:24:25 PM
never said I did only that anyone who thinks brunt is good does"nt

Haha so what about the other people I mentioned?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on August 10, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
oh them ,do you mean hodgson (great world cup he had haha) northern Ireland coaches( never won so much as an egg cup,) and all the albion managers who ain"t had a clue for years .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on August 10, 2014, 08:01:15 PM
I am a big fan of Brunt so happy about this.  I know he blows hot and cold and can be frustrating but when he is on form he is one of our most important players so glad he has committed his future to the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on August 10, 2014, 08:39:12 PM
Good news. Really rate Brunty, he can be inconsistent and his shooting from dead ball situations is infuriating considering how well he takes corners, but he is a good passer/crosser of the ball, doesn't hide under pressure and is clearly well-respected within the squad. Now it would be nice to bring in a couple of wingers, preferably one who can play on the right and one comfortable on either, to provide us with some more/different options.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on August 10, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
People are not slating brunt . It's not a dislike of him . I am judging him on my personal opinion . He has no pace , of that we would probably agree . He doesn't score many can we all agree on that . His corners are inconsistent . He is also not a leader in say the mciness way . So what is there I can't see .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 10, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
He had a good spell under Pepe, probably our best player over that period ,but 3 years i think not.
Means no more wide men signings i think.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 10, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
He had a good spell under Pepe, probably our best player over that period ,but 3 years i think not.
Means no more wide men signings i think.

There is a reason for that. Brunty has "good spells" when we were playing dynamic football such as before Hodgson went two banks of four and again under Pepe.

It is obvious that Brunty's strengths aren't going to be at the fore when he has to play 'first' fullback ahead of the real fullback in a rigid 442 or something similar when we drop him back down deep.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 10, 2014, 09:59:05 PM
So what are we saying - that he's not suited to playing left midfield in a 4-4-2 ?  Presumably this is due to lack of pace to get forward from deep positions ? 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on August 10, 2014, 10:03:58 PM
The bloke was stale and past his sell by last season. What are we thinking offering him a new 3 year deal?! Hope it's just a paper excercise to increase his sale value.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on August 10, 2014, 10:13:19 PM
Id have a bet with anyone that if all our players played 38 games next season he would have more assists than anyone else in the squad right now. Seems strange theres so many people here wanting more creativity in he side but yet these comments about our mkst creative player
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 10, 2014, 10:21:40 PM
So what are we saying - that he's not suited to playing left midfield in a 4-4-2 ?  Presumably this is due to lack of pace to get forward from deep positions ?

And he is without a doubt a solid prem player in a more dynamic midfield setting.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on August 10, 2014, 10:23:21 PM
Don't hate him, would never boo him, but gutted he as
penned a three year deal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 10, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
I think he just frustrates the hell out of a lot of people.

Of course he's got ability and he can hit a killer pass, but he can't beat anyone with a trick, can't go past anyone with pace......and for someone with such a famed left foot his accuracy from direct free kicks has been pretty woeful. It's now 4 years since his wonder free kick strike against Everton.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 10, 2014, 10:37:10 PM
I think he just frustrates the hell out of a lot of people.

Of course he's got ability and he can hit a killer pass, but he can't beat anyone with a trick, can't go past anyone with pace......and for someone with such a famed left foot his accuracy from direct free kicks has been pretty woeful. It's now 4 years since his wonder free kick strike against Everton.

And JT was loved becaue he could run past people but he had no final ball in him ever and didn't carry a goal threat to speak of.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 10, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
Say what  you like but he's been a very loyal servant to us, always gives his all, plays for the shirt, 3 years ago Everton wanted him for £12million hope he retires here...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2014, 11:14:58 PM
Say what  you like but he's been a very loyal servant to us, always gives his all, plays for the shirt, 3 years ago Everton wanted him for £12million hope he retires here...

We'd have ripped their hands off if true.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2014, 11:17:06 PM
Id have a bet with anyone that if all our players played 38 games next season he would have more assists than anyone else in the squad right now. Seems strange theres so many people here wanting more creativity in he side but yet these comments about our mkst creative player

So would anyone else that took all of the set pieces. We've proved on many occasions that we can win games without him. He cramps our style.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 10, 2014, 11:18:38 PM
So would anyone else that took all of the set pieces. We've proved on many occasions that we can win games without him. He cramps our style.

Steven Gerrard?

Brunt also had top assists from open play last season...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
According to PremierLeague.com he had 5 assists last season, two we know were from corners against Fulham and I think Palace so 3 from open play which is the same as Amalfitano.

Not a big Brunt fan but I can see why he was offered a contract as theres no way we will let a player go who will rightly or wrongly depending on differing views be involved in the coming season as we don't do it which amazed me to be fair when we actually let Ridgewell go at the end of last season. Brunt and Dorrans were the two players to come out of the Mel era with their heads held high and both justified earning new deals. Upto them both now to prove they were correct decisions.

I do hope that Brunt is left out on the left as thats where his best performances come from. I only watched the game yesterday online and when he switched to the right he looked out of place whereas in the past he has done well from that side. I really hope we don't put him in the middle as its yet to work apart from the odd spell in the odd game and this season we need a solid strong midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2014, 12:16:55 AM
I don't understand the criticism that Brunt attracts, he is not the archetypal tricky winger that many fans want but there have been plenty of wide midfielders who have not fitted that mould and have been perfectly effective. I think his best position is as a wide midfielder in a 442, in a 4-2-3-1 he does need to be counterbalanced by an more attacking player playing wide right, what really did not work was him and Amalfitano playing in that formation they were too similar.

Overall I am pleased that he has signed up for the next few years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2014, 12:18:49 AM
According to PremierLeague.com he had 5 assists last season, two we know were from corners against Fulham and I think Palace so 3 from open play which is the same as Amalfitano.

Not a big Brunt fan but I can see why he was offered a contract as theres no way we will let a player go who will rightly or wrongly depending on differing views be involved in the coming season as we don't do it which amazed me to be fair when we actually let Ridgewell go at the end of last season. Brunt and Dorrans were the two players to come out of the Mel era with their heads held high and both justified earning new deals. Upto them both now to prove they were correct decisions.

I do hope that Brunt is left out on the left as thats where his best performances come from. I only watched the game yesterday online and when he switched to the right he looked out of place whereas in the past he has done well from that side. I really hope we don't put him in the middle as its yet to work apart from the odd spell in the odd game and this season we need a solid strong midfield.

Correct with 5 he was top overall assists, and 3 were from open play (joint top with Amalfitano).

I'm one of the few that doesn't mind Brunt centrally, he's the best passer of a football and always has plenty of time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hulsey74 on August 11, 2014, 08:12:49 AM
I personally think the whole Brunt debate would be solved if he wasn't captain........

That is my biggest gripe with him, i think he is a rubbish captain on the pitch (can't comment off it). But technically he has ability, i think as fans we are looking for a leader, and he aint no leader........

I quite liked watching Wisdom giving him such verbals on Saturday for not tracking back.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 11, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
People are not slating brunt . It's not a dislike of him . I am judging him on my personal opinion . He has no pace , of that we would probably agree . He doesn't score many can we all agree on that . His corners are inconsistent . He is also not a leader in say the mciness way . So what is there I can't see .

Exactly my view.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on August 11, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
I hope a lot of people on here remember the stick/abuse a proportion of our fans have given Brunt both online and inside the grounds next time a player we rate hands in a transfer request or dares to consider moving elsewhere. Loyalty works both ways.

Brunts our second longest serving player, has never been involved in any kind of unsavoury incident in his time at the club, has always given 100%, never angled for a move/been involved in any contract disputes and has scored some great and important goals for us. He has played out of position when we needed him to and never showed or voiced any displeasure a doing so.

To many people here focussing on what he cant do. Of course he has weaknesses in his game , just as any other player who plays for us will do. If they didn't they wouldn't be playing for us in the first place.

Using the logic on here I could go through every member of the squad listing reasons why they are sh*t, but if Brunt had his technical ability and passing range and vision, but was also a 15 goal a season man who could run the 100m in 11 seconds and frequently doubled up as a second full back at the same time then he would of signed for Chelsea for £60m 5 years ago.

I agree he does not appear on the face of it to be a standout captain, but captaincy during the game is about 10% of his duty's in the role and by all accounts he is well respected by all the coaching staff and players which I would much rather have than a John Terry type who thumps his chest and orders his team mates about in front of the fans before sleeping with team mates girlfriends. All of the above doesn't even factor in that captaincy is a largely meaningless position and is viewed as such in most places outside of England.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 11, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
We'd have ripped their hands off if true.

It's true, I think it's on page one of the GTR thread aswell...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2014, 01:56:16 PM
It's true, I think it's on page one of the GTR thread aswell...

Rumours are dumped in that thread for a reason, most are from Twitter or the daily rags or other poor websites who make stuff up. As said earlier if true we would have ripped their hands off for £12m as we would for any member of our squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on August 11, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Correct with 5 he was top overall assists, and 3 were from open play (joint top with Amalfitano).

I'm one of the few that doesn't mind Brunt centrally, he's the best passer of a football and always has plenty of time.

Good grief, I wonder if there was any club in all 4 divisions whose top player for assists in open play only managed 3 all season. It surely must be some kind of record
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 11, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
Good grief, I wonder if there was any club in all 4 divisions whose top player for assists in open play only managed 3 all season. It surely must be some kind of record

I think the assists were shared around last year. I am not going to bother getting the stats up though sorry.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 11, 2014, 07:29:06 PM
I think the assists were shared around last year. I am not going to bother getting the stats up though sorry.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/984/leistungsdaten/verein/984/plus/1/reldata/GB1&2013

There you go. Scroll down to the table then press the green football and it will put them in order of assists.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Whichever way you dress it up with stats its doesn't make good reading
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 11, 2014, 11:49:13 PM
I hope a lot of people on here remember the stick/abuse a proportion of our fans have given Brunt both online and inside the grounds next time a player we rate hands in a transfer request or dares to consider moving elsewhere. Loyalty works both ways.

Brunts our second longest serving player, has never been involved in any kind of unsavoury incident in his time at the club, has always given 100%, never angled for a move/been involved in any contract disputes and has scored some great and important goals for us. He has played out of position when we needed him to and never showed or voiced any displeasure a doing so.

To many people here focussing on what he cant do. Of course he has weaknesses in his game , just as any other player who plays for us will do. If they didn't they wouldn't be playing for us in the first place.

Using the logic on here I could go through every member of the squad listing reasons why they are sh*t, but if Brunt had his technical ability and passing range and vision, but was also a 15 goal a season man who could run the 100m in 11 seconds and frequently doubled up as a second full back at the same time then he would of signed for Chelsea for £60m 5 years ago.

I agree he does not appear on the face of it to be a standout captain, but captaincy during the game is about 10% of his duty's in the role and by all accounts he is well respected by all the coaching staff and players which I would much rather have than a John Terry type who thumps his chest and orders his team mates about in front of the fans before sleeping with team mates girlfriends. All of the above doesn't even factor in that captaincy is a largely meaningless position and is viewed as such in most places outside of England.

Good speech Gov.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2014, 08:49:49 AM
I personally think the whole Brunt debate would be solved if he wasn't captain........

That is my biggest gripe with him, i think he is a rubbish captain on the pitch (can't comment off it). But technically he has ability, i think as fans we are looking for a leader, and he aint no leader........

I quite liked watching Wisdom giving him such verbals on Saturday for not tracking back.....

Agree with this. I'm glad Brunt has been given a new contract but I'd prefer someone else as captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 12, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
Whichever way you dress it up with stats its doesn't make good reading

What doesn't make good reading?

It looks like last season we had just as many assists as the teams around us but just shared around the squad. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Only one team in the bottom half scored more goals than us last season. Goalscoring wasn't a great problem. What made life difficult for us was our inability to defend which was down to poor personnel in our squad coupled with an incompetent manager.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2014, 11:18:19 AM
What doesn't make good reading?

It looks like last season we had just as many assists as the teams around us but just shared around the squad. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Only one team in the bottom half scored more goals than us last season. Goalscoring wasn't a great problem. What made life difficult for us was our inability to defend which was down to poor personnel in our squad coupled with an incompetent manager.

It shows we have no one player capable of creating anything on a consistent basis and are severely lacking in that department. Yes it shows they are shared around.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2014, 01:31:49 PM
It shows we have no one player capable of creating anything on a consistent basis and are severely lacking in that department. Yes it shows they are shared around.

We definitely lack a 'go-to' player, or talisman. Someone who can change a game when brought off the bench and shift the momentum of play. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2014, 02:35:19 PM
We definitely lack a 'go-to' player, or talisman. Someone who can change a game when brought off the bench and shift the momentum of play. Totally agree.

You just described Big Rom and St Peter. Ahhh those were the days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 17, 2014, 12:34:31 AM
Just a quick word for Brunty, 250 apps today, had a decent game despite no pre-season to speak of.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 17, 2014, 08:51:13 AM
Just a quick word for Brunty, 250 apps today, had a decent game despite no pre-season to speak of.
Thought he was good and organised those around him for about 55 mins , and then dipped off badly, should have been subbed about then and I think the impetus would have got us over the line.
I think brunt is a great squad player , just not a regular in the first 11.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 17, 2014, 09:40:46 AM
Chris Brunt is certainly giving 100% and is a real trier.  What are we going to do with Sessegnon now?  Irvine looks to be thinking of Gardner as a regular starter, then you have the resurgence of Dorrans (who needs to start).  My money is on Sessegnon leaving before the end of the transfer window.  Also, you still have Morrison waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 17, 2014, 10:06:09 AM
I don't want Sess going - he offers something different even if it's off the bench sometimes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on August 17, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
Chris Brunt is certainly giving 100% and is a real trier.  What are we going to do with Sessegnon now?  Irvine looks to be thinking of Gardner as a regular starter, then you have the resurgence of Dorrans (who needs to start).  My money is on Sessegnon leaving before the end of the transfer window.  Also, you still have Morrison waiting in the wings.

Morrison should be the one to go out of that quartet !  Done nothing for 18 months.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on August 17, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
There's no way Sess will go! He was only being bigged up the other day. Gotta be a starter when fit
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on August 17, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
They'll all have their chance with injuries and suspensions, squad game and the better the depth the better chance you have
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 17, 2014, 01:04:06 PM
Thought Chris played well for much of yesterdays game.
Harsh decision to award the free kick against him which led to their opening goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 17, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
Brunt is obviously an excellent pro and I could imagine him working very hard on his game during training.  Therefore he possesses an excellent overall attitude.

I suspect Sessegnon is at the other end of the spectrum.  Egotistical, loose cannon, unpredictable, self absorbed but very talented.  I don't see his ego putting up with being sub for any period of time.

Maybe I'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.  However, I don't think Sess will tolerate being sub.  Throw in Yacob and Morrison and I can see a couple of departures by September.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 17, 2014, 04:48:41 PM
Chris Brunt is certainly giving 100% and is a real trier.  What are we going to do with Sessegnon now?  Irvine looks to be thinking of Gardner as a regular starter, then you have the resurgence of Dorrans (who needs to start).  My money is on Sessegnon leaving before the end of the transfer window.  Also, you still have Morrison waiting in the wings.

I think Sessegnon's place on the bench was more down to the time he missed from our pre-season. I thought he was an excellent option to have on the bench and should have been brought on earlier than he was.

I think the selection issue of who to pick if Gardner plays does not involve Sessegnon. For me it's a straight shootout between Dorrans or Gardner in the middle to play along side Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 18, 2014, 08:21:52 PM
i have nothing against Brunt, i just can't see what he has to offer on the pitch anymore.
Can you imagine how he will be in another couple of years.
AI has put his self under pressure to pick him giving  him the Armband.
A squad player now at best.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 18, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
I think that he still has a role to play, and has more ability than he is often given credit for.
As supporters we often talk of footballer's having a cosseted life style etc.
Well to a large extent I believe that they do, but the world of professional football is often harsh.
The dressing room and training ground are unforgiving places.
If he were anywhere near as bad as many make out, he would have been found out by his coaches and team mates long ago.
As it is, he is almost the longest serving member of our playing staff and widely respected by his peers and the coaching staff too.
He does infuriate me at times, but I just feel that he is overly criticised.
Played well on Saturday despite missing a huge chunk of preseason and he never hides, he always shows for the ball and often plays out of position without a moan.
Good professional who stays out of the tabloids and speaks highly of the club.
Personally glad that he signed his improved terms and is still representing West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: QBbaggie on August 19, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
Saw him at V festival on Sunday.Top bloke who took time to talk when he didn't treally need to.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on August 19, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
Saw him at V festival on Sunday.Top bloke who took time to talk when he didn't treally need to.
Are you sure you're not just saying that because the Albion's Press Office told you to?  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on August 19, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
Him, Olsson and Billy Jones were at Vfestival Sunday.

My mate spoke to Olsson and apparently he started laughing when a Wolves flag started flying and joked he should go and show them his goal against them
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TelfordBaggie on August 23, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
Granted he has been a great servant for the club over the years, when he first arrived his delivery and ball distribution was up there with the best, and he banged in the odd great goal, i look at him now and he brings nothing to our team, he cant tackle, he cannot win a header, his passing and distribution is shocking. Ive held back these comments for 6 months, but enough is enough, get rid
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 23, 2014, 05:13:59 PM
I thought Brunt was decent and put in a shift but his corner at the end was terrible.   :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on August 23, 2014, 05:34:33 PM
Silly booking first half and some very wayward crossing... Not his best game today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on August 23, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
I thought Brunt was decent and put in a shift but his corner at the end was terrible.   :-X

I don't get this Brunt's main threat has always been his set piece delivery, it has been awful today so his value to the team is negligible.
When Sammy is fit Brunt will have more competition for the left sided position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 23, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Morrison should be the one to go out of that quartet !  Done nothing for 18 months.

Why not Brunt, he's done nothing in the last 2 years, at least Morrison has pace, defends better and makes quicker decisions.

Brunts' "wand of a left foot" seems to have lost it's magic judging by today's performance   :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 23, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
Granted he has been a great servant for the club over the years, when he first arrived his delivery and ball distribution was up there with the best, and he banged in the odd great goal, i look at him now and he brings nothing to our team, he cant tackle, he cannot win a header, his passing and distribution is shocking. Ive held back these comments for 6 months, but enough is enough, get rid

surely just having a space in your name is to close for comfort?? lol
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 23, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
Brunt was garbage today. I don't think he's even Championship quality anymore. Hoping Samaras takes his spot in the team till the end of season but unlikely to happen while he's still captain of the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 23, 2014, 06:36:13 PM
Was working so only got to listen on radio but suggested our only real attacking threat came down the left? Is this our new bandwagon?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 23, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
Was working so only got to listen on radio but suggested our only real attacking threat came down the left? Is this our new bandwagon?

Missed a lot of pre season too, he's still catching up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 23, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
Was working so only got to listen on radio but suggested our only real attacking threat came down the left? Is this our new bandwagon?

In my humble opinion, most of our good work down the left was down to Poco and later Davidson. Pretty sure it was Poco who set up Ideye for his his attempt on goal that went wide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
In my humble opinion, most of our good work down the left was down to Poco and later Davidson. Pretty sure it was Poco who set up Ideye for his his attempt on goal that went wide.

Haha. Brunt a solid 7 out of 10 today. A dreadful corner and follow up cross in stoppage time notwithstanding
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 23, 2014, 07:34:36 PM
Haha. Brunt a solid 7 out of 10 today. A dreadful corner and follow up cross in stoppage time notwithstanding

I'd agree with your rating... on the assumption everyone else in the team are rated  9 out 10 today (except Wisdom - he's not very good either)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2014, 07:40:01 PM
I'd agree with your rating... on the assumption everyone else in the team are rated  9 out 10 today (except Wisdom - he's not very good either)

Probably all sevens today fella except Mulumbu 9 and Wisdom 6.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2014, 07:50:38 PM
Probably all sevens today fella except Mulumbu 9 and Wisdom 6.

I sort of understand the Brunt criticism, but he does a lot of the donkey work, agree with the ratings, Mulumbu was just great, Wisdom, looks suspect.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on August 23, 2014, 07:55:39 PM
Probably all sevens today fella except Mulumbu 9 and Wisdom 6.
Wow, Dorrans a seven,,,,,it's a record  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on August 23, 2014, 08:21:10 PM
Dorrans, Mulumbu and Gardner look good in midfield and will be a steady partnership, but Brunt today was dross.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 23, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Not impressed with him at all today, drifted inside too much leaving us exposed at times and yes all our attacking did come down the left thanks to Pocognoli and Davidson when he replaced him. Silly pointless booking.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 23, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Missed a lot of pre season too, he's still catching up.

I agree he looked stuffed 15 min into the 2nd half
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarenno on August 23, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
Out the 3 attacking midfielders brunts the one thats going to be dropped i think. Berahino and dorrans are playing well, brunts the one who needs to be dropped for sess or a new winger. I like brunt but i just think he slows every attack down, he is to slow.

Im not slagging him off,i like brunt but he is the weakest link in the midfield!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 23, 2014, 09:28:45 PM
Agreed. Hopefully Sami is Brunt's heir-apparent and AI will play him wide left
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2014, 11:40:47 PM
MOTD just showed 3 of our attacks. Brunt cross to Anichebe, Brunt pass to Pocognoli to cross for Ideye, Dorrans pass for Ideye's turn. That was all they showed.

Yes he's s**t lads.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on August 23, 2014, 11:55:27 PM
MOTD just showed 3 of our attacks. Brunt cross to Anichebe, Brunt pass to Pocognoli to cross for Ideye, Dorrans pass for Ideye's turn. That was all they showed.

Yes he's s**t lads.

And they didn't show his dreadful corners, particularly the one at the end of the game where a good corner would have put pressure on them but he completely wasted the opportunity with woeful set piece delivery not once but twice.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2014, 12:07:06 AM
And they didn't show his dreadful corners, particularly the one at the end of the game where a good corner would have put pressure on them but he completely wasted the opportunity with woeful set piece delivery not once but twice.

One bad corner... we only had 5 one of which was ballooned by Dorrans, the other 3 all taken by Brunt found either Albion heads or went for another corner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hillsm on August 24, 2014, 01:12:16 AM
Granted he has been a great servant for the club over the years, when he first arrived his delivery and ball distribution was up there with the best, and he banged in the odd great goal, i look at him now and he brings nothing to our team, he cant tackle, he cannot win a header, his passing and distribution is shocking. Ive held back these comments for 6 months, but enough is enough, get rid

This must be a joke?! He is quality in the air, virtually all of Foster's goalkicks are targeted towards Brunty, which he wins the vast majority of aerial duals.

And for people using the fact that he ballooned a couple of crosses as a stick to beat him with in their agenda against our longest serving player and captain is pathetic.
I agree his booking today was petulant but was completely out of character.

I find it so frustrating that some of you always have to have a scapegoat, be it Luke Moore, Scott Carson, Liam Ridgewell and now it's Chris Brunt who's taking the flak. The guy is a model pro, and is a valuable member of the squad who would get in to plenty of other sides in this league.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on August 24, 2014, 02:25:54 AM
There's an interested stat in the daily mail online that Brunt covered the second biggest amount of distance in our team yesterday behind CG and in front of Mulumbu.

He put a shift in.

For me he looked worn out and should have been replaced midway through second half. Just a thought pushing Poco further up and playing Jim at left back could be a future option. Pocos crosses look good and Jim did a good job when he came on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
Not impressed with him at all today, drifted inside too much leaving us exposed at times and yes all our attacking did come down the left thanks to Pocognoli and Davidson when he replaced him. Silly pointless booking.

Agree with all this.

The booking was just needless. I'd add the word immature and I'm someone who likes Chris Brunt. He should be leading from the front but it was an act of petulance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on August 24, 2014, 11:31:18 AM
Hope he retires tomorrow morning. Way past it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2014, 11:34:41 AM
Hope he retires tomorrow morning. Way past it.

Don't think he's past it by any means and i've been a critic for a while but in a small squad will have a part to play but if we are to evolve as a squad and as a team then players will have to be replaced and Brunt, Dorrans, Morrison, McAuley, Olsson regardless of how long they have been here all fall into that category as we bring in new players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on August 24, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Don't think he's past it by any means and i've been a critic for a while but in a small squad will have a part to play but if we are to evolve as a squad and as a team then players will have to be replaced and Brunt, Dorrans, Morrison, McAuley, Olsson regardless of how long they have been here all fall into that category as we bring in new players.

Couldn't agree more, a core of players that have served us well but should be replaced if not this season then definitely next.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 24, 2014, 11:59:57 AM
Linked well with Pog by all accounts.

I think Brunt away from home is a good option as he's defensively more astute, providing cover for the LB.

At home, where we need to be more expansive, I hope Brunt is replaced by more attacking options (whoever they might be)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: howard62baby on August 24, 2014, 12:01:57 PM
Just watched his penalty appeal , he was very unlucky not to get itmust say ive seen them given
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2014, 12:18:32 PM
Awful and what a wasted ball over at the end
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 24, 2014, 12:34:48 PM
Brunty is still catching up after missing a lot of pre season, I'm sure after a few more games he'll get better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2014, 12:37:49 PM
After the transfer window closses and everyone is match fit is there really a place in the team for him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 24, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
Like i said earlier he played well in the 1st half but i thought he looked like he was run out of steam early, which i put down to missing pre season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2014, 09:38:17 AM
I wonder if Brunt is going to prove to be a sacred cow and be picked week-in, week-out regardless? Time will tell, particularly if we sign another winger.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
This must be a joke?! He is quality in the air, virtually all of Foster's goalkicks are targeted towards Brunty, which he wins the vast majority of aerial duals.

And for people using the fact that he ballooned a couple of crosses as a stick to beat him with in their agenda against our longest serving player and captain is pathetic.
I agree his booking today was petulant but was completely out of character.

I find it so frustrating that some of you always have to have a scapegoat, be it Luke Moore, Scott Carson, Liam Ridgewell and now it's Chris Brunt who's taking the flak. The guy is a model pro, and is a valuable member of the squad who would get in to plenty of other sides in this league.

Here here, some of the posts smack of school boy bullying, always having to have someone to have a go at.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2014, 09:46:10 AM
I wonder if Brunt is going to prove to be a sacred cow and be picked week-in, week-out regardless? Time will tell, particularly if we sign another winger.....

Hopefully he will be phased out. I dont think Irvine wanted to rock the boat too much too soon by dropping him. Brunt seems to have a lot of clout and plenty of support from within the club. One of the main men who make life difficult for Mel IMO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alfie07 on August 25, 2014, 10:55:46 AM


Longest serving member of our squad , who has been picked by various managers, more so by Pepe Mel. Brunt gave his all towards the end of last season to ensure we are still in the position to build the squad we have at this current time.

We need players Like Brunt in and around the team who cares and knows about the club, especially as 50% are unproven or are here to impress for a few seasons and then move to a bigger club for more money.

I just don't understand berating of players after 2 games in, where personally I thought we would struggle, as did Sunderland when they had a overhaul of new players who hadn't settled in , to be unbeaten and to keep a clean sheet after however long it has been .

 
 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2014, 11:32:46 AM
Its a forum for people to give an opinion on things so not sure why we get the comments of play ground bullying or berating.

Go through topics throughout the site and you will find people who have a different view on something, thats life and thats what this forum is for. If we all agreed then this forum and others like it wouldn't exist as there would be no point.

Some people rate Brunt, some don't thats life. Some people are fans of Irvine, some not, thats life. Some rate Mulumbu some don't, again thats life.

People can have a view on something without it being abuse.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on August 25, 2014, 11:39:58 AM
We need to remember the 11th commandment:

Thou shall not criticise the performances of Chris Brunt.

I joke, I joke.


I think people need to remember that it's not personal. I think Chris is top professional who has been a phenomenal servant to this club, I just don't see a place for him in our strongest eleven.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on August 25, 2014, 12:01:57 PM
We need to remember the 11th commandment:

Thou shall not criticise the performances of Chris Brunt.

I joke, I joke.


I think people need to remember that it's not personal. I think Chris is top professional who has been a phenomenal servant to this club, I just don't see a place for him in our strongest eleven.

I agree with that.  Useful squad man but no longer a first choice
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 25, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
I was just looking at Brunt's career stats and there is a definite trend of decline there. From 2007 to 2010, those were his peak years for assists, shots on targets, goals etc.

Since 2011, some of his stats fell quite a bit but his assists were on par with his previous efforts. Since 2012 however, just further decline noted inc. the area of his game that is considered a strength (goal assists). He's a shadow of the player he was - the stats don't lie. See for yourself (PL seasons in bold):

   
           GS   SB   G   A   SH   SG   

2007    22   12   5   7   37   18   
2008   28   6   8   2   73   21   
2009   39   1   13   5   96   42   
2010   34   0   4   9   104   23   
2011   25   4   2   6   50   8   
2012   23   8   2   4   41   11   
2013   25   3   3   5   49   10   
2014   2   0   0   0   2   0
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2014, 01:34:34 PM
I was just looking at Brunt's career stats and there is a definite trend of decline there. From 2007 to 2010, those were his peak years for assists, shots on targets, goals etc.

Since 2011, some of his stats fell quite a bit but his assists were on par with his previous efforts. Since 2012 however, just further decline noted inc. the area of his game that is considered a strength (goal assists). He's a shadow of the player he was - the stats don't lie. See for yourself (PL seasons in bold):

   
           GS   SB   G   A   SH   SG   

2007    22   12   5   7   37   18   
2008   28   6   8   2   73   21   
2009   39   1   13   5   96   42   
2010   34   0   4   9   104   23   
2011   25   4   2   6   50   8   
2012   23   8   2   4   41   11   
2013   25   3   3   5   49   10   
2014   2   0   0   0   2   0


I'd love to see the same stats for our other midfielders... They would pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on August 25, 2014, 04:31:38 PM
Someone hit the nnail squarely on the head yesterday when asking if we would be excited if he were playing for someone else and we went in for him, answer would be a resounding no I fear.
Interesting comment by him last week about looking after players who aren't first choice, wonder if he had been told that his position was one that was being strengthened and he knows he is now viewed as a squad player. If so and he continues to give his all in and around the squad, even when not playing, then he will be a true captain and maybe we will understand why manager after manager gave him the armband.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 25, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
Closest we came to losing the points on Saturday was when Berahino passed the ball to their forward on the edge of our box, yet hardly gets a mention (and I am not suggesting it should). Brunt puts in a bad cross and it is the end of his Albion career. It will be interesting to see how additional competition affects him, because face it he has continually been picked because he is the best playerwe have hhad Iin his position. Some of the comments on here are frankly disrespectful and it will no doubt be the same people questioning why the players do not interact with the fans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 25, 2014, 05:23:51 PM
I'm sure we all want our captain to be 9/10 every week, if competition provokes CB to perform brilliant, if not he's a squad player IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 25, 2014, 05:32:59 PM
For me he is the new Greening. Greening was a quality player when he first joined, a great servant and then captain. He also divided opinion and like Brunt seemed to slow our play down at times. Life went on without him and i'd say we actually improved as a result. His career declined pretty soon afterwards. Brunt doesn't bring enough to warrant a start for me anymore. You only have to look at our win percentage without him in the side over the last 2 seasons or so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2014, 05:41:13 PM
Its a forum for people to give an opinion on things so not sure why we get the comments of play ground bullying or berating.

Go through topics throughout the site and you will find people who have a different view on something, thats life and thats what this forum is for. If we all agreed then this forum and others like it wouldn't exist as there would be no point.

Some people rate Brunt, some don't thats life. Some people are fans of Irvine, some not, thats life. Some rate Mulumbu some don't, again thats life.

People can have a view on something without it being abuse.

Of course I agree with you regarding opinions, but in recent times the criticism of Brunt has been over the top, the booing of our captain before a ball is kicked, embarrassing.

Every player should have to play for their place, Chris Brunt is no different, singling out an errant corner kick and follow up cross at the end of a game where he covered more ground than virtually any other player, as a reason he should be dropped is unjustified and smacks of jumping on another player bashing bandwagon.

I myself think his left foot lacks the accuracy of former times, but in his defence, managers in the last three seasons have asked him to fill in every midfield position and at left back, he has done so without complaint for the team, but probably to the detriment of his own game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2014, 05:54:20 PM
No player should be booed regardless of who they are, captain or not but this forum exists for people to have an opinion on a player, coach, game whatever without being berated for it or having comments aimed at them for that opinion and Brunt is one that divides opinion along with others.

Just as someone can be injured in a tackle without it being a foul, a player can be criticised without it being abuse.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 25, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
This is not aimed at anybody in particular and is not a dig one way or the other, but I have linked an article from when he signed.
There are some interesting comments from Albion fans at the end.
Has familiarity bred contempt, or is it just part of the cycle of a professional footballer's perceived shelf life?
One way or the other, I think it's fair to say that for many the novelty of his signing has well and truly worn off, eventhough I personally believe that he still has a role to play for us.

http://tinyurl.com/mbykw5f (http://tinyurl.com/mbykw5f)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Political Cake on August 25, 2014, 07:19:34 PM
One phrase in all of that sticks out for me, "thats one position permanently filled". Can't have been more right over the years, in all honesty. It's still difficult for me to see how we could NOT have him in the team, but I still wonder if we should. He's a good player to have at this level, I think any other team fighting for survival in this league, at the moment, would have him for certain - this experience is valuable.

As it stands, he still has life in him. There is no use in disposing of someone while they are useful just because they are less so than before. The increased competition for his place may be the start of a winding down though. This is the puzzling thing behind him being given the captaincy to be honest. Otherwise, however, who would it be? Foster? Olsson? Mulumbu? Brunt has always been the better candidate for me. Where we go afterwards is a problem we're rapidly approaching.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on August 25, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
a substitute at best,yes he covered a lot of ground at saints but his complete lack of pace out wide gives us no options ,our best corner taker but a couple on Saturday very poor,and gardener and dorrans can probably both take a better free kick,we usually win more games when he is out the side,and probably the worst out of the starting 11 to have as captain
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2014, 09:23:13 PM
I don't think Brunt should be a definite starter, but apart from Foster and Mulumbu, the same applies for every player, that is how it should be in any team with good competition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: talkSAFT on August 26, 2014, 08:45:29 AM
a substitute at best,yes he covered a lot of ground at saints but his complete lack of pace out wide gives us no options ,our best corner taker but a couple on Saturday very poor,and gardener and dorrans can probably both take a better free kick,we usually win more games when he is out the side,and probably the worst out of the starting 11 to have as captain

Spot on, Elki
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
Took Brunt off and lost control of the game, hope that lesson got noticed!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on August 26, 2014, 11:27:34 PM
Took Brunt off and lost control of the game, hope that lesson got noticed!

i was not at the game but barely heard his name before he went off
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2014, 11:28:53 PM
Took Brunt off and lost control of the game, hope that lesson got noticed!

Sorry don't agree. We were poor while he was on and just as poor when he went off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: eddiethebeagle on August 26, 2014, 11:38:15 PM
I have to agree with the black pearl to some extent. I don't know if it was just coincidence (and Brunty didn't really show anything of note during the game) but we definitely seemed to lose shape and organisation when he went off.

Like I say, maybe it was just at the time that Oxford stepped it up a gear  but I also noticed that we got even worse when he went off, just continuous sideways balls and no clue what to do next.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2014, 11:39:21 PM
Brunt will be a key player for us this season, it's good to see he's got some more game time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
Brunt's substitution definitely the pivotal moment. The team was completely rudderless without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2014, 11:52:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think Brunt was probably the pick of the bunch tonight but we were bloody poor. I think people are forgetting the opposition tonight, it was OXFORD UNITED, currently sitting in 24th place in League Two with a record of played 4 lost 4 scored 1 conceded 5.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2014, 12:39:42 AM
Thought Brunt was our MOTM today.  By no means an outstanding performance but was the most likely to unlock their defence.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 01:16:24 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think Brunt was probably the pick of the bunch tonight but we were bloody poor. I think people are forgetting the opposition tonight, it was OXFORD UNITED, currently sitting in 24th place in League Two with a record of played 4 lost 4 scored 1 conceded 5.

It really is about time Albion started to have an idea how to attack teams and kill teams off. It's not enough to just sit back and wait to counter attack all the time and play to keep it tight and compact and not let in the first goal.

This inability to take on teams on our level or lower has been plaguing us for ages now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on August 27, 2014, 08:14:33 PM
I thought everyone was pretty poor last night, but if someone had been able to put a half decent cross into the box we would have won easily, and I thought in that respect Brunt was particularly poor. It used to be his strong point, crosses and set pieces, but I can't remember the last time he took a decent free kick. And when he has the opportunity to cross, he inevitably checks back and plays it back or inside
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2014, 08:29:56 PM
I thought everyone was pretty poor last night, but if someone had been able to put a half decent cross into the box we would have won easily, and I thought in that respect Brunt was particularly poor. It used to be his strong point, crosses and set pieces, but I can't remember the last time he took a decent free kick. And when he has the opportunity to cross, he inevitably checks back and plays it back or inside

He actually put in one of the few decent balls in the first half which would have led to a certain goal for Ideye but for an excellent clearance by a retreating defender for a corner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie96 on August 30, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Where does brunt fit in the team? Looks like a variation of 433 will be the formation. With varela ideye blanco likely to be the front three and mulumbu dorrans Gardner playing well behind that. Where does he fit? Bearing in mind sessegnon will be vying for a midfield place too! And berahino/samaras more suited to the wing. I like brunt but feel we've struggled to find a role for him for a long time. With his assist rate he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, but where?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 30, 2014, 10:19:47 AM
Where does brunt fit in the team? Looks like a variation of 433 will be the formation. With varela ideye blanco likely to be the front three and mulumbu dorrans Gardner playing well behind that. Where does he fit? Bearing in mind sessegnon will be vying for a midfield place too! And berahino/samaras more suited to the wing. I like brunt but feel we've struggled to find a role for him for a long time. With his assist rate he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, but where?

i dont think he does fit in the team anymore we need to attack quicker and after last season fresh ideas i think he has served his part but a change is needed in his position
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 30, 2014, 03:26:59 PM
Watching the game on a stream.

Simply shocking from Brunt - watch his pass for the second Swansea goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pie on August 30, 2014, 03:38:06 PM
not a regular poster on here but I have to vent my frustrations about Brunt! He has been awful today and I haven't seen him play well for a long time!

Also I just do not see where his captain abilities lie, I think there are players who should be above him in the order for captain for sure.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
Watching the game on a stream.

Simply shocking from Brunt - watch his pass for the second Swansea goal.


No worse than Berahino's against Southampton but got punished following a poor clearance from Dawson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on August 30, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
I didn't see it till 60mins, can someone fill me in on Brunt's performance?!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on August 30, 2014, 04:46:14 PM
I didn't see it till 60mins, can someone fill me in on Brunt's performance?!

rubbish!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on August 30, 2014, 04:47:30 PM
As usual. Need to **** him off along with Dawson and Morrison and play flair!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on August 30, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
Similar to KD and DK I'm surprised the hold he seems to have over this club. Very poor performance today and not a good start to the season. I just wonder why he is captain and a starter. I appreciate what he has done for our club and he would be a good squad player but seems so off the pace it's unreal.

He is not the reason we lost today but his performance for me was the worst of a bad bunch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 30, 2014, 05:27:46 PM


I'm a Brunt fan but today he was woeful today, Mozza looked a lot sharper when he came on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on August 30, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
I hate to be in a majority but I have no more patience for Chris Brunt anymore.  Can't believe we've given him a new contract. We've always rewarded players for performing well. We are rarely better and usually worse when he's in the team so what are we rewarding him for? Slow, unfit and injury prone, he can't seem to deliver a decent set piece or cross anymore his one obvious asset. His attitude always seems incredibly negative on the pitch. I think the most infuriating thing right now is his undeserved reputation as being an integral part of our past success. He has played a part yes bur no more significant than many others. I sincerely hope he isn't being picked based on this reputation because he does not deserve a place in the first team based on current performances, he shouldn't even be on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 30, 2014, 05:41:17 PM
i have said it for 2 years now once he comes into central midfield he is no use to anyone we were completely overrun in midfield.
just hope the players that we have signed make it hard for him to be picked or we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zac on August 30, 2014, 05:43:34 PM
If someone can enlighten me on what he offers to the team then that would be great. Absolutely woeful again today and really is a waste of a starting place in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
If someone can enlighten me on what he offers to the team then that would be great. Absolutely woeful again today and really is a waste of a starting place in my opinion.

The 3 year contract was for the championship, which is about his level
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
Where's Jacko to defend this abysmal performance from Brunt, to be fair I have been a critic of Brunt but every season round about March he starts to play well and keeps his place in the team.

This year we appear to have alternatives, let him go into hibernation, drop him and bring him back in March when he actually wakes up and starts to play ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
Making Brunt captain was Irvine's first mistake.

'Chris will absolutely be our captain,' Irvine told the club's official website.

'There's absolutely no reason to change it. He has the respect of the changing room, he's done a great job as captain for many years, so I have no intention to make any changes.' 

Sorry Alan but who are you trying to kid?

Didn't want to upset the apple cart and took the easy option, much like many of the clubs other decisions this summer. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cheesyknackers on August 30, 2014, 06:13:52 PM
Send him to Fulham.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2014, 06:15:09 PM
Brunt was truly shocking today, along with most of the team. It's time to leave him out of the team for a while, and I say that as someone who usually like Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 30, 2014, 06:23:46 PM
I'm a Brunt fan but he looked miles off the pace today (not the only one) , not making excuses but he doesn't look fit at all . I don't know about the new players but I'm not sure we can play Brunt , Dorrans and Gardner in the same side . I still think Brunt has great quality but we are seeing it less and less , a spell on the bench may help.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2014, 09:09:18 PM
what can you say about his performance today.Words cant describe how bad he was
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 30, 2014, 09:11:23 PM
We'll never move forward with a midfield of Dorrans, Brunt and Gardner.  Have our coaching staff got nothing between the ears?  How much are we paying these people?  Time for Peace to hand out a few P45s.  What is the point of signing 11 new players?  Are the fans getting refunded tickets for today?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
Still a good player to us on his day and one of the better players at the end of last season. He's still catching up fitness wise and I think we'll see the best of him in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on August 30, 2014, 09:26:56 PM
I think it's unfair to pick Brunt apart from todays game considering the whole team was incredibly poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 09:27:23 PM
I am generally supportive of Brunt, but he was a lost soul today, not good at all, maybe the players are already losing faith in what they are doing, must be soul destroying being set up so super negatively all the time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 30, 2014, 09:35:49 PM
Swansea always have width and players that give them energy in those positions. Brunt I'm afraid isn't going to go past anyone and doesn't even give a short pass and move for the return. On today's performance the 3 year deals for Brunt and Dorrans seem highly generous.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 09:38:59 PM
I don't get the catching up fitness wise comment. He played in the last 3 friendlies, has trained since middle of pre-season and appeared in all 4 games so far, his fitness level should be up there with the rest now. If he wasn't fit then going by Irvine's lack of selection of others such as Varela, Gamboa, Samaras then he wouldn't be playing.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 30, 2014, 09:41:35 PM
It's Groundhog day with Downing / Kiely / Irvine they just never learn.  We shouldn't really blame Brunt anymore, he's not picking himself is he?  The lad is trying to do an honest job with a good attitude.  This thread is about 2.5 years old, so why has he been given another 3 years in the job?  The football side of the club is being run in an appalling manner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 30, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
It's Groundhog day with Downing / Kiely / Irvine they just never learn.  We shouldn't really blame Brunt anymore, he's not picking himself is he?  The lad is trying to do an honest job with a good attitude.  This thread is about 2.5 years old, so why has he been given another 3 years in the job?  The football side of the club is being run in an appalling manner.

Top post. Brunt has been a great servant but not good enough anymore. He can't help being picked. You have to question those that do pick him. Maybe they should look at the stats over the last 2 seasons to see how well we've done without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stubba on August 30, 2014, 10:03:41 PM
He's total w@@k I was told once that he he had it written in his contract that if fit he played! Thought it was b@@@@x then but now??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
Very poooooor performance today but certainly not the worst on show. Awful pass for the second goal. Can't defend him tonight, but still a top player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 30, 2014, 11:15:56 PM
You say still a top player but within what team and formation?  Surely you have to surround Brunt with pace to get the best out of him?  Someone like Carrick is slow but has good technique. 

I don't see enough players with sufficient pace to allow this at WBA?  Every time we play against a team with dynamic midfield and slick passing we get ripped apart!

We're just not hurting teams with this midfield.  We couldn't even hurt Oxford!  Every time I see Brunt he looks rushed as the pace of the game is too quick for him.  I think that's why his delivery is failing him most of the time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on August 30, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
You say still a top player but within what team and formation?  Surely you have to surround Brunt with pace to get the best out of him?  Someone like Carrick is slow but has good technique. 

I don't see enough players with sufficient pace to allow this at WBA?  Every time we play against a team with dynamic midfield and slick passing we get ripped apart!

We're just not hurting teams with this midfield.  We couldn't even hurt Oxford!  Every time I see Brunt he looks rushed as the pace of the game is too quick for him.  I think that's why his delivery is failing him most of the time.

There was a fan in WM earlier saying exactly that, a midfield in 4-2-3-1 of Gamboa, Yacob, Mulumbu, Sess and Blanco would be a massive improvement on the current one, all the players can be used but the flat 4 tat we are currently employing just does not create enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2014, 11:34:52 PM
There was a fan in WM earlier saying exactly that, a midfield in 4-2-3-1 of Gamboa, Yacob, Mulumbu, Sess and Blanco would be a massive improvement on the current one, all the players can be used but the flat 4 tat we are currently employing just does not create enough.

Gamboa is a right back. Where is Varela?

In answer to GREG Brunt always looks to me to have more time than most of our players. Totally contrary to what GREG sees.

Have also just seen match of the day, and despite the shocking pass there was then a poor headed clearance and it was a wonderful volley.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on August 30, 2014, 11:42:57 PM
You'll defend him no matter what Jacko whilst never failing to criticise Dorrans. Both were terrible today. Both aren't good enough. Samaras or Blanco for Brunt and Sessegnon instead of Dorrans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2014, 11:44:21 PM
You'll defend him no matter what Jacko whilst never failing to criticise Dorrans. Both were terrible today. Both aren't good enough. Samaras or Blanco for Brunt and Sessegnon instead of Dorrans.

could have sworn I just posted this: Very poooooor performance today

 :-\
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 30, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
I am a huge brunt fan but he has been woeful the start of this season. Under Mel he was one of our better players.

He is a  player that needs pace and intelligence around him. Ideye movement and the creative combined Inteligence in midfield accompanied with AI negative tactics will not help brunt.

He has a great delivery and needs to have chalk on his boots, but he is forever forced in to the middle of pitch because of the lack of movement. Needs the tempo to be fast or else he will keep the game slow
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on August 30, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
Still added the defence that there were worse on show it's not relevant.  Last two games he has been appalling and unprofessional against Southampton.  He is not entitled to pitiful excuses or defences anymore he doesn't deserve it. Poor player who we are saddled with.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bombersboots on August 31, 2014, 12:08:03 AM
I am a huge brunt fan but he has been woeful the start of this season. Under Mel he was one of our better players.

He is a  player that needs pace and intelligence around him. Ideye movement and the creative combined Inteligence in midfield accompanied with AI negative tactics will not help brunt.

He has a great delivery and needs to have chalk on his boots, but he is forever forced in to the middle of pitch because of the lack of movement. Needs the tempo to be fast or else he will keep the game slow

That must be the reason he looks so,so bad then, because those around him have no pace either.
As a Brunt 'fan' can you think of any reason he should be our captain, bar his length of club service?

I personally think he embellishes all that is negative about our football at this time,when he should be our stand out leader ........
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on August 31, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
Gamboa is a right back. Where is Varela?

In answer to GREG Brunt always looks to me to have more time than most of our players. Totally contrary to what GREG sees.

Have also just seen match of the day, and despite the shocking pass there was then a poor headed clearance and it was a wonderful volley.

True but then Gamboa can also play on the wing, pace is the point. Varela I agree could also easily fit in, point is that the current flat 4 does not work
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 12:32:35 AM
True but then Gamboa can also play on the wing, pace is the point. Varela I agree could also easily fit in, point is that the current flat 4 does not work

We don't play a flat 4.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2014, 09:11:24 AM
Gamboa is a right back. Where is Varela?

In answer to GREG Brunt always looks to me to have more time than most of our players. Totally contrary to what GREG sees.

Have also just seen match of the day, and despite the shocking pass there was then a poor headed clearance and it was a wonderful volley.
I'm starting to think that teams know that Brunt won't go at them with ball at feet so they don't bother closing him down.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2014, 12:53:25 PM
Needs to be made clear after a few rumours today that Brunt did not disrespectfully throw his armband to the floor on Saturday.

He threw it towards Olsson as he was substituted as is normal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
Needs to be made clear after a few rumours today that Brunt did not disrespectfully throw his armband to the floor on Saturday.

He threw it towards Olsson as he was substituted as is normal.

Why let the truth get in the way?

It is funny how the theory last season was that a poisonous element within the club were dragging it down. Seems that it has now moved to the support.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
Why let the truth get in the way?

It is funny how the theory last season was that a poisonous element within the club were dragging it down. Seems that it has now moved to the support.

Very true unfortunately.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on September 01, 2014, 10:47:14 PM
Why let the truth get in the way?

It is funny how the theory last season was that a poisonous element within the club were dragging it down. Seems that it has now moved to the support.

I don't think the club can expect anything else.

Nigh on two years of losing football combined with the iron clad secrecy surrounding the inner workings of the club is bound to create a divide between the fans and management, and on top of that, create an atmospere of whispering campaigns, hostility, discontent and weird conspiration theories to fill in the void where fans are trying to figure out what is really going on.

Imagine how absurd the situation must have been for the players opposed to Pepe Mel to see the fans embrace Pepe fully. This situation was completely the clubs fault.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
Haven't seen any rumours at all to suggest that anywhere but then I avoid Facebook and Twitter if possible as rumours get started sometimes even by fans of other clubs, suddenly turned into gospel by stirrers and wind up merchants and then get believed by the gullible.

It so obvious to see what happened when he was substituted that anyone thinking otherwise is on a wind up

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 02, 2014, 10:41:41 AM
Haven't seen any rumours at all to suggest that anywhere but then I avoid Facebook and Twitter if possible as rumours get started sometimes even by fans of other clubs, suddenly turned into gospel by stirrers and wind up merchants and then get believed by the gullible.

It so obvious to see what happened when he was substituted that anyone thinking otherwise is on a wind up

Few bits on twitter and a couple asking on other sites.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Few bits on twitter and a couple asking on other sites.

And there you go mate  ;)

Its so easy for one comment to be made and it taken up by others believing it, prime example last night was the Leon Osman to Albion rumour posted by an Everton fan and then picked up by journos.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 16, 2014, 08:34:09 AM


http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2014/09/16/west-brom-captain-chris-brunt-targeted-in-bullet-through-head-tweet/

Wow some "fans" really are pathetic.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dangerman on September 16, 2014, 12:19:07 PM
The bloke who said it won't be charged aparently so is very lucky.

There is no need for comments like that.

In regards to Brunt, the guy is championship at best. I have said this for the last few years.

I was shocked when we gave him a new contract.

The guy is dull and has no character. Exactly what you don't want in a captain.

Sadly, we're stuck with him, dorrans and morrison for the forceable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on September 16, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
When I heard about that tweet I was gobsmacked.

Sorry he may be not be playing at his best but he certainly doesnt deserve that!!

Some people are just idiots
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 16, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
1. totally condemn the tweeter
2. remember the gould coffin, how would that go down today ?

Chris Brunts stats in Prem League
Season        Apps   Gls   YC   RC   W   D   L   F   A   Pts   pts/app
2014-2015   4   0   1   0   0   2   2   2   7   2   0.50
2013-2014   28   3   7   0   3   12   13   31   48   21   0.75
2012-2013   31   2   4   0   12   7   12   43   46   43   1.39
2011-2012   29   2   5   0   10   7   12   29   37   37   1.28
2010-2011   34   4   9   0   11   11   12   52   61   44   1.29
2008-2009   34   8   3   0   6   7   21   34   64   25   0.74
Total             160   19   29   0   42   46   72   191   263   172   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 04:24:17 PM
Top Premier League assists.

3rd highest Premier League goalscorer.

 8)

Don't agree with the tweet.

Would pick him every week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 16, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
stats say he had a bad last season and has started badly this season,
We cannot carry players who are out of form, he needs dropping !

Before you say it, I accept this could [/s} does apply to others also.

If AI is as fastidious in his analysis as we are told, CB will not play next week.

I have little doubt he's a great guy and a trier, but he is patently in need of some time out, or do we persist in the "hope" that he reverses a season and a bits decline??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on September 16, 2014, 06:39:10 PM
Top Premier League assists.

3rd highest Premier League goalscorer.

 8)

Don't agree with the tweet.

Would pick him every week.
Don't agree with the personal abuse and threats, but pick him every week? Are you his agent in disguise?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bombersboots on September 16, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
I dont belive in singling out players, football is a team game, and as fans we become part of the 'biggger' support team, as such. I believe the main reason our fans are so annoyed with Brunt is that as our club captain, he should encapsulate what all of us want to see on a Saturday, pride,passion and leadership. The problem being he does not lead by example,or have the personal attributes to do the job.  EVERYTIME we go a goal down or something negative happens, his chin hits the floor, and his shoulders are slumped over. Think of all the fine captains this club has had, and how some of them reacted to adversity! My word!
it makes me saddened to see a man who although a loyal player, is clearly NEVER a leader,and I feel that to be shouldered with an unwanted responsibility, is hanging him out to dry quite frankly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 17, 2014, 12:51:58 AM
cannot agree with the grief he got saturday, i am not his biggest fan , nor have i been over last couple of seasons, he has been very patchy indeed , but its the management who pick him, and to be honest with you when he or any other player has a bad run of games its the managements responsability to take them out of the firing line and give someone else a chance.
biggest burden on Brunty is the captaincy, it seems to garuntee him a place in the side and we all know that when he is not playing well,he cannot pick himself up never mind the rest of the team.
but whatever his form , no player should suffer that sort of abuse, so come on boys leave of the booing
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 17, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
Has to be one of the first dropped once new players are 'fit enough to play'.

Slows play up far too much, poor distribution and brings no pace to the wide areas. Constantly comes inside to narrow pitch, making our lack of width even more of a problem.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on September 17, 2014, 01:26:33 PM
Brunt, Morrison, Olsson all to be dropped for me. No player deserves abuse, but all 3 of them deserve to be dropped imo
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionLifer on September 17, 2014, 02:01:23 PM
Brunt, Morrison, Olsson all to be dropped for me. No player deserves abuse, but all 3 of them deserve to be dropped imo

I thought Morrison was one of the better performers last Saturday. I do agree that Brunt and Olsson should be dropped though...Wisdom too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on September 17, 2014, 02:34:19 PM
I thought Morrison was one of the better performers last Saturday. I do agree that Brunt and Olsson should be dropped though...Wisdom too.

That's the beauty about football I disagree about Wisdom and agree about Morrison however I am unaminous in this Olsen and Brunt need time out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 21, 2014, 11:41:55 AM
Let's hope that those that are there today, get behind him, he's been fab for us for the years he's been here, he's a good quality player!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2014, 11:54:30 AM
I hope he scores then goes over to our fans and puts hes finger to hes mouth, I know i would.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
19 goals and 25 assists in the previous 5 Prem seasons for us. No doubt he's done it before. I'd happily sign two more of his exact clone this coming Jan. Although granted I wouldn't play them all at once!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 21, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
Let's hope that those that are there today, get behind him, he's been fab for us for the years he's been here, he's a good quality player!

To be fair I think our away fans tend to be far more supportive in general, I sometimes think I'm with a group of fans from another club when we're at home.

I hope he scores then goes over to our fans and puts hes finger to hes mouth, I know i would.
Next week  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 21, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
Brunt was excellent today. Didn't put a foot wrong, didn't hide and then set up the winner. Viva Chris Brunt.  :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on September 21, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Anonymous 1st half but a much better second. Great ball in for the winner
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 21, 2014, 04:24:29 PM
Anonymous 1st half but a much better second. Great ball in for the winner

He wasn't everything came down the left with Lescott Pocognoli and Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on September 21, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Im not saying he played badly I just think he was anonymous 1st half. As I said cracking 2nd half
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on September 21, 2014, 04:28:47 PM
Played well , that for me is why he must stay out wide and not go in the middle too much .
When he gets a corner right it must be great to be on the end of it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on September 21, 2014, 04:44:34 PM
Brunt was excellent today. Didn't put a foot wrong, didn't hide and then set up the winner. Viva Chris Brunt.  :-*

Thought he had a very good game today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on September 21, 2014, 04:49:56 PM
Irrespective of his performance today, why do other fans/media think he's like Ronaldo?!

I was watching the stream today and when he took a corner, the commentator said "There's not too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt"...it's like every game he steps up to take a set-piece they make a massive deal out of it!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 21, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
Irrespective of his performance today, why do other fans/media think he's like Ronaldo?!

I was watching the stream today and when he took a corner, the commentator said "There's not too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt"...it's like every game he steps up to take a set-piece they make a massive deal out of it!

Must have been same stream i had, stock line from a poor / ill informed commentator
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
Irrespective of his performance today, why do other fans/media think he's like Ronaldo?!

I was watching the stream today and when he took a corner, the commentator said "There's not too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt"...it's like every game he steps up to take a set-piece they make a massive deal out of it!
Is it because there aren't too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt and sometimeswe ddon't appreciate what we have got?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on September 21, 2014, 04:59:47 PM
Irrespective of his performance today, why do other fans/media think he's like Ronaldo?!

I was watching the stream today and when he took a corner, the commentator said "There's not too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt"...it's like every game he steps up to take a set-piece they make a massive deal out of it!

Was that Andy Townsend's comment just before the corner that Lloris easily plucked out of the air? Haha
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 05:34:38 PM
19 goals and 25 assists in the previous 5 Prem seasons for us. No doubt he's done it before. I'd happily sign two more of his exact clone this coming Jan. Although granted I wouldn't play them all at once!

Now 19 goals and 26 assists....

I totally agree that when he's not doing that, what is he doing? Also, in a recent game (forget which?) I was very annoyed with him being Captain, but throwing a strop at the ref and really not being a leader of men. But goals win games and he'd often involved in ours.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bishop brennan on September 21, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Is it because there aren't too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt and sometimeswe ddon't appreciate what we have got?

Well said, hopefully should shut some of the little boo boys up
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on September 21, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
Is it because there aren't too many in the league who can strike a ball like Chris Brunt and sometimeswe ddon't appreciate what we have got?
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Brunt - he's been decent for us over the years and gets a lot of unwarranted stick, but one of the best 'ball strikers' in the league? I don't think so...and yes it was when he put the ball into Lloris's hands lol
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on September 21, 2014, 07:02:54 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Brunt - he's been decent for us over the years and gets a lot of unwarranted stick, but one of the best 'ball strikers' in the league? I don't think so...and yes it was when he put the ball into Lloris's hands lol
Yes it's highly frustrating that every single game that's televised, he gets the 'wand of a left foot' comment or similar. He has (potentially) got a great left foot,  BUT his record of hitting the target with long range shooting and especially free kicks is utterly abysmal - that's why people get so frustrated with him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2014, 07:04:58 PM
He had a decent game today and put an excellent corner in for the goal BUT one off is no good, he has to be consistent and for the number of corners we had today both Brunt and Morrison need to put better balls in on a consistent basis.

His overall play was pretty good along with the rest but lets not go overboard the opposite way to the over-reaction the other way last weekend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on September 21, 2014, 07:07:40 PM
People question why Brunty is captain, at times its easy to see why.
After being substituted last week he could have hidden today. The fact is he didn't and lead by example.
Lets hope the tits that abuse him on a regular basis get of his back it doesn't help him or the team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on September 21, 2014, 07:22:45 PM
I'd maybe suggest the abuse dished out last week woke them up to what's going on.  Not just Brunt but the whole team.  I happen to think things are too comfortable on the training ground.  It was a sink or swim occasion and I'm pleased to say Brunt and the whole team rose to the occasion.  I think Brunt is a very laid back personality and is used to being an underdog when playing for NI.  As such I don't think he's comfortable on the front foot which is why next week against Burnley worries me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 21, 2014, 08:39:55 PM
Being away from home in a match we were expecting nothing from worked in his favour today.
Lets get behind him next week, if he plays well its good for us all
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on September 22, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
I'd maybe suggest the abuse dished out last week woke them up to what's going on.  Not just Brunt but the whole team.  I happen to think things are too comfortable on the training ground.  It was a sink or swim occasion and I'm pleased to say Brunt and the whole team rose to the occasion.  I think Brunt is a very laid back personality and is used to being an underdog when playing for NI.  As such I don't think he's comfortable on the front foot which is why next week against Burnley worries me.

Or playing devils advocate that when he played in front of a crowd that supported him rather than sarcastically cheering him/booing him every time he touched the ball he produced a better performance.

Great support for him yesterday at WHL, you could see when we scored he seemed a bit sheepish and didn't run over to Morrison but a few of the players ran to him and were slapping his back for want a of a better phrase. The crowds reaction to him has obviously got to him and the squad are aware of it. Even at the end he seemed a bit reluctant to come over to the corner where we were but did acknowledge us when he went down the tunnel.

Not suggesting you were GREGMT but anyone implying that the booing last week was warranted and that it helped the situation today is completely out of line in my opinion.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 22, 2014, 04:31:00 PM
If you look over past seasons when Chris has had some stick he normally comes out a better player. Same scenario last season, when people booed him he came out fighting and put in some of his best performances.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: darbolina on September 22, 2014, 04:54:10 PM
If we'd have booed players showing poor quality (but still trying) in the 90s - we'd have spent 10 years booing. People need to re-think why they go to matches in my opinion - to enjoy it not to winge all the time and persecute hard working players that nearly always try their best......
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 22, 2014, 09:44:45 PM
If used correctly he's an asset.
He has so many assists to his name. Yes ha inconsistent at times but who isn't? If he wasn't he wouldn't be playing for WBA.

I hope that assist has silenced his critics. Wasn't only him
He didn't pull his weight v everton.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bagstaff on September 22, 2014, 11:22:11 PM
He had a decent game today and put an excellent corner in for the goal BUT one off is no good, he has to be consistent and for the number of corners we had today both Brunt and Morrison need to put better balls in on a consistent basis.

His overall play was pretty good along with the rest but lets not go overboard the opposite way to the over-reaction the other way last weekend.

Interestingly here is a table we are top of - if you look at corners!! http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=Leagues (http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=Leagues)

nice to see us convert one
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies54 on September 23, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
Tell you what boys, look at the height swerve and dip Brunty got on the corner, goalkeeper was obsolete and any defence in the league would have had problems defending that one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on September 23, 2014, 06:24:56 PM
Interestingly here is a table we are top of - if you look at corners!! http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=Leagues (http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=Leagues)

nice to see us convert one
it was overdue - there was a bit more variety in the corners with Gardner's shot resulting from a short corner and Dawson's near post flick-on should have resulted in a handball penalty. Judging by Morrison's comment that he was only in there as a blocker, the Brunt delivery onto his head doesn't exactly sound planned but I guess if you get it into dangerous areas something happens eventually.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 23, 2014, 06:59:45 PM
it was overdue - there was a bit more variety in the corners with Gardner's shot resulting from a short corner and Dawson's near post flick-on should have resulted in a handball penalty. Judging by Morrison's comment that he was only in there as a blocker, the Brunt delivery onto his head doesn't exactly sound planned but I guess if you get it into dangerous areas something happens eventually.

I think that comment from Morrison might be so they can try the same thing again later. If another teams manager sees that, he might not pay much attention to what he will be doing at the next one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on September 23, 2014, 07:19:39 PM
I think that comment from Morrison might be so they can try the same thing again later. If another teams manager sees that, he might not pay much attention to what he will be doing at the next one.
Maybe, but he looked surprised enough also.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 28, 2014, 06:46:50 PM
Thought he had his best game of the season today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2014, 06:53:54 PM
He had a really good game and his corners were very well delivered.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 28, 2014, 06:57:09 PM
Pity that volley did not dip a bit lower and gone in! Ok yes i'm being greedy!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on September 28, 2014, 07:09:24 PM
I am mot a big fan of Brunt, but I must say he played very well today, probably his best game for 18 months or so
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 28, 2014, 07:38:16 PM
Had a cracking game today and he showed a bit of pace and trickery and went past players on quite a few times!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
Bit of swagger about him in the second half today which I like to see from footballers.

Good to see him getting plenty of support in the stands today. Hopefully many of our supporters will feel slightly guilty with their reactions in the past few weeks towards him. It's up to Brunt to prove them wrong but its two good performances on the trot now and he's doing enough to retain his place in the side, no matter how much people want the new guys brought in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Some figures from his performance today:

BaggiesFacts.com @BaggiesFacts  ·  2h

Chris Brunt v Burnley: 4 successful tackles, 2 interceptions, 1 successful take-on, 2 chances created, 1 superb assist.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on September 28, 2014, 09:00:55 PM
Much better today from Chris. In particular, his corners were much, much better, always dangerous and in the right areas. Body language also much better, so hoping he can start a run of good form, and kick on from here.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
As a non-CB fan, I have to say fair play, he was one of (if not the) stand out performers today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on September 28, 2014, 09:10:56 PM
He found his level today against a very poor
Burnley side. Lets see how he does in the
two games. Not having a go just saying.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
He found his level today against a very poor
Burnley side. Lets see how he does in the
two games. Not having a go just saying.

What about how he went against Spurs? Brunt will be fine against Liverpool and Yanited. Best player today with an all action captains performance and yet ANOTHER Premier League assist.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on September 28, 2014, 10:17:48 PM
What about how he went against Spurs? Brunt will be fine against Liverpool and Yanited. Best player today with an all action captains performance and yet ANOTHER Premier League assist.
I don't think he was the best player today, but it was his best performance for over a year
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on September 30, 2014, 09:04:46 PM
a couple of decent corners against a poor burnley team who were missing both there main midfield players,we wont get it much easier again this season,morrison, gardner, polognocci,berahino,and especially dorrans played better than brunt today,given that it was  still brunts best game of the season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 30, 2014, 09:15:10 PM
Yawn.  It was a superb performance not just a couple of corners.  Oh and it was against the same poor team you've just raved about Dawson playing against except they are woeful going forward but actually have a decent defence. So who had the more difficult task?
Give credit where it is due.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 30, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Good game, and these are the teams he should thrive against.

However, I do hope to see some genuine pace and width in the team in coming weeks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on October 01, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
The corner Dawson scored from wasn't a great delivery at all. In fact one of the commentators said the same thing on one of the highlight programmes. Their keeper should have been picking that up all day long. Instead he decides to get involved in some pushing and shoving with one of our players. The corner for Bearhino's goal was much better as it was whipped in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on October 01, 2014, 10:19:20 AM
The corner Dawson scored from wasn't a great delivery at all. In fact one of the commentators said the same thing on one of the highlight programmes. Their keeper should have been picking that up all day long. Instead he decides to get involved in some pushing and shoving with one of our players. The corner for Bearhino's goal was much better as it was whipped in.

It resulted in a goal, how much better could it have been?
No pleasing some people is there?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on October 01, 2014, 10:26:24 AM
It resulted in a goal, how much better could it have been?
No pleasing some people is there?

The point I was making was that it wasn't the quality of the corner that lead to the goal but poor defending. It's been lobbed into a crowd of players. It could have taken a dozen deflections and been kicked in by the ref and people would still be praising Brunt for the quality of the corner. I'm not knocking I'm just saying as it is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
He wasn't MoM on Sunday, but definitely his best performance of the season therefore the shirt is his for now. He knows there are players chomping at his heals so up to him to keep it. Personally, although not a massive fan, I hope he does because it should mean we are still playing well as a team.
Only change on Saturday should be Gamboa for Wisdom, hope he doesn't play safe and pick Baird, I think Gamboa looks a real find and if anywhere as good as Poco we will be a million miles better off than last season in that department.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on October 01, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
Bit of swagger about him in the second half today which I like to see from footballers.

Good to see him getting plenty of support in the stands today. Hopefully many of our supporters will feel slightly guilty with their reactions in the past few weeks towards him. It's up to Brunt to prove them wrong but its two good performances on the trot now and he's doing enough to retain his place in the side, no matter how much people want the new guys brought in.

Didn't think I'd ever see that written about Chris Brunt  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on October 01, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
The point I was making was that it wasn't the quality of the corner that lead to the goal but poor defending. It's been lobbed into a crowd of players. It could have taken a dozen deflections and been kicked in by the ref and people would still be praising Brunt for the quality of the corner. I'm not knocking I'm just saying as it is.

You could say that about any corner though??

You could whip a great corner in and score you can whip a rubbish one in and score it's either bad defending or great attacking!!

I thought it was a decent corner myself inswinging to the back post is hard to defend against anyway
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2014, 12:45:12 PM
You could say that about any corner though??

You could whip a great corner in and score you can whip a rubbish one in and score it's either bad defending or great attacking!!

I thought it was a decent corner myself inswinging to the back post is hard to defend against anyway
Exactly.
You don't get anymore for a worldy than you do for one off the backside, they all count the same.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 01, 2014, 12:49:33 PM
Not a particular fan of Brunt but he's played really well in the last 2 games and is in the side on merit and IMO should stay there until his form drops....same as anyone else.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on October 02, 2014, 09:04:15 PM
Yawn.  It was a superb performance not just a couple of corners.  Oh and it was against the same poor team you've just raved about Dawson playing against except they are woeful going forward but actually have a decent defence. So who had the more difficult task?
Give credit where it is due.
read my post re dawson, I raved about his performance re saints,tottenham and Swansea even though he did play well against burnley ,I agree there was little threat though from them,burnleys main 2 midfielders who got them promoted both missing,it was brunts best performance this season but it wasn't superb by any means,he was still the worst player in our midfield
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: koren on October 11, 2014, 07:37:30 PM
Official Irish FA @OfficialIrishFA  ·
Chris Brunt is out with a groin injury and misses tonight's match and next week's clash with Greece

So he may even miss the man utd game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2014, 11:24:45 AM
Official Irish FA @OfficialIrishFA  ·
Chris Brunt is out with a groin injury and misses tonight's match and next week's clash with Greece

So he may even miss the man utd game.
Whilst I'm no Brunt fan, I do think we need to maintain a strong squad and CB is definately part of the squad on merit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on October 17, 2014, 05:31:23 PM
I see Brunt is working around clock to be fit for Monday.  Fair play from the professional side.   He doesn't pick himself.  Just wondering what happens if we beat Utd without him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on October 17, 2014, 06:38:30 PM
I see Brunt is working around clock to be fit for Monday.  Fair play from the professional side.   He doesn't pick himself.  Just wondering what happens if we beat Utd without him?

No chance of Brunty being considered fit, according to Alan irvine, Mo Farah needs to knuckle down and put some hours in  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on October 17, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Brunt's done a decent job so far this season.  If he doesn't make it then it really is crunch time for these new boys.  If Brunty gets back in by start of Nov then I see them missing the boat.  It really is about taking opportunities.  We don't want another Sinclair.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on October 18, 2014, 10:11:46 PM
Well Brunt is likely to be back before Varela is fit to start. Blanco is the one who is likely to get the chance in Brunt's absence. That's what the premier league is about for players these days, impressing when you get the chance and then performing to keep your place.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on October 21, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
Great pass  from the skipper again last night to pick out Saido...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 11:00:11 AM
Great pass  from the skipper again last night to pick out Saido...

Killer pass. Great vision.

There was another in the first half when he put Saido one in one and but for a miscontrol he would have been in on the goalie to make it 2-0.

Bruntie may frustrate at times but my goodness when he plays well he is the heartbeat if the team.

We will miss him when he goes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on October 21, 2014, 04:31:39 PM
Killer pass. Great vision.

There was another in the first half when he put Saido one in one and but for a miscontrol he would have been in on the goalie to make it 2-0.

Bruntie may frustrate at times but my goodness when he plays well he is the heartbeat if the team.

We will miss him when he goes.

Results without him in the side over the last 2-3 years would suggest not. No one is irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 04:37:21 PM
Results without him in the side over the last 2-3 years would suggest not. No one is irreplaceable.

Of course no one is irreplaceable, however my view is that Brunt is a good, solid performer for us who will take some replacing.

He has been a consistent player for Albion since he came, more than a squad player, and seen as captain material by all of our recent Head Coaches.

I know he divides opinion, so I'll leave it there. Generally, I'm a fan, he's not perfect, but I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on October 21, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Haven't always been a fan. I thought there were times last season when he was very poor and I would have been quite happy to see him go. However, seems a different player this season for whatever reason, attitude and general body language much improved, work rate always good, and capable of the brilliant pass now and again. There were times last season when I never would have imagined me saying this, but easily worth his place in the side at the minute.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on November 09, 2014, 09:33:36 PM
Afraid to say, as a long-term admirer of Brunts technical abilities, he needs to be dropped for our team.

His ability to cross, take corners/free-kicks has disappeared over the past 6months or so and i am struggling to find what else he brings. Being the guy to aim for from goalkicks shouldnt warrant a starting place.

Ive never seen a prem player so unfit. He looks lean but has no physical fitness whatsoever. One burst of speed and he goes missing for the next 10 mins to catch his breath. Ive watched him closely and he seems to choose the easy option in terms of positioning, often crowding others around him as he is very minimal in terms of movement on and off the ball.

As mentioned, ive liked Brunt, but its time to move on and find better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2014, 09:41:57 PM
I think he should wear a neck brace during games to stop his head from dropping when we go behind. His body language at 2-0 down was unacceptable for a captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 09:46:05 PM
Afraid to say, as a long-term admirer of Brunts technical abilities, he needs to be dropped for our team.

His ability to cross, take corners/free-kicks has disappeared over the past 6months or so and i am struggling to find what else he brings. Being the guy to aim for from goalkicks shouldnt warrant a starting place.

Ive never seen a prem player so unfit. He looks lean but has no physical fitness whatsoever. One burst of speed and he goes missing for the next 10 mins to catch his breath. Ive watched him closely and he seems to choose the easy option in terms of positioning, often crowding others around him as he is very minimal in terms of movement on and off the ball.

As mentioned, ive liked Brunt, but its time to move on and find better.

One of the funniest posts ever. He's arguably the fittest player based on all the distance covered stats. Only Fabregas Baines Tadic DiMaria and Siguurdsson have more assists than him this season in the PL, if we're toothless with him, imagine us without him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on November 09, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Afraid to say, as a long-term admirer of Brunts technical abilities, he needs to be dropped for our team.

His ability to cross, take corners/free-kicks has disappeared over the past 6months or so and i am struggling to find what else he brings. Being the guy to aim for from goalkicks shouldnt warrant a starting place.

Ive never seen a prem player so unfit. He looks lean but has no physical fitness whatsoever. One burst of speed and he goes missing for the next 10 mins to catch his breath. Ive watched him closely and he seems to choose the easy option in terms of positioning, often crowding others around him as he is very minimal in terms of movement on and off the ball.

As mentioned, ive liked Brunt, but its time to move on and find better.

Agree 100%, even his delivery at set pieces has deserted him. He doesn't have the pace to get past anyone, and reminds me why Ray Wilkins used to be called the crab
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on November 09, 2014, 11:12:26 PM
I thought he was one of our better players today. His set pieces were excellent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 09, 2014, 11:15:11 PM
I thought he was one of our better players today. His set pieces were excellent.

His corners were dross.

That said, he was the only midfielder to find the odd pass that got in behind their defence.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 09, 2014, 11:40:02 PM
I thought he was one of our better players today. His set pieces were excellent.

The ones that beat the first man went straight into the gloves of Tim Krul. Our corners for a number of years have been overall appalling. Yes he may get the odd assist from them but that stands to reason, you take enough eventually one works out but its not enough for the number we actually get. Not just Brunt either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on November 10, 2014, 01:40:17 AM
The ones that beat the first man went straight into the gloves of Tim Krul. Our corners for a number of years have been overall appalling. Yes he may get the odd assist from them but that stands to reason, you take enough eventually one works out but its not enough for the number we actually get. Not just Brunt either.

I think Newcastle simply had our corners figured out. Brunt put the ball into dangerous areas that caused other teams problems (like Burnley) but Krul was expecting them and had good support from his players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 10, 2014, 07:49:40 PM
I actually think Brunts corner are a real threat, but if you have no one in the side who can head a ball then whats the point .
I thought Samaros would have been a better option in the centre when he came on, he was totally lost out wide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 10, 2014, 07:50:53 PM
I actually think Brunts corner are a real threat, but if you have no one in the side who can head a ball then whats the point .
I thought Samaros would have been a better option in the centre when he came on, he was totally lost out wide.

One would think Dawson has proved he can head a ball?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2014, 08:27:25 PM
No short corners yesterday, we need to keep the variety coming.

Also hope our free kick takers, notably Brunt, have seen Sigurdsson's goal yesterday.....we have to be due one soon....... ??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kendo on November 27, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Why is Brunt puzzled over our home form. He should be more concerned over his own form and so should the rest of them. If we don't give 100% home or away, what does he expect. Some times with his taking of free kicks, he,s more suited to playing rugby than football. You aint safe sitting in row z when he,s about. Then all he does is smirk and wave his arms about. How come he plays every week ? I hope I am wrong about our captain on Saturday but I doubt it. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mrmojorisin on November 27, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
Leaving aside the rant about Brunt, we all know the reason why home form is rubbish.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on November 27, 2014, 01:18:23 PM
He also said the team were not that deflated after the Chelsea game.
Well guess what Chris the fans were on the long drive back!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2014, 01:37:42 PM
Bizarre thing to come out and say really as its clear to see why the form isnt good at home.

Doesnt take a genius to work out that we set up like an away team against teams when they come to the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 27, 2014, 05:15:46 PM
I was deflated after I saw that 'cross' hit the underside of the 1st tier of the stand  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on November 27, 2014, 05:48:13 PM
Hmmmm maybe Chris just maybe we are playing so negative at home. It hardly gives anything for the fans to be optimisitc or getting excited about. My son gave up his season ticket this season in an attempt to raise some extra cash as a match day steward and even he says it's an absolute pain to watch and he is getting paid   ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on November 27, 2014, 06:40:48 PM
The way Brunt plays puzzles me. It also puzzles me he's the captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on November 27, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Cue Jacko  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 27, 2014, 07:31:44 PM
Can't be bothered. He's talking rubbish just like the head coach.  So they're singing from the same hymn sheet.  Still our biggest midfield threat and a good captain. And the free kick on Saturday was a shot not a cross.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on November 27, 2014, 07:34:13 PM
Maybe he should realise that our home form is poor is that our head coach keeps picking out of form players such as him and a narrow midfield with the pace of a snail!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 27, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Can't be bothered. He's talking rubbish just like the head coach.  So they're singing from the same hymn sheet.  Still our biggest midfield threat and a good captain. And the free kick on Saturday was a shot not a cross.

The free kick was a cross from the right hand side of the area that went straight behind the goal which accompanied a cross which went straight behind the goal from the same sort of position. His shot in the first half (our only one on target in the game) was no more than a pass back. Thats 3 efforts on his best foot which should have produced something better each time.

He's not alone with his poor finishing or set pieces and its not something new, its been going on for a few years throughout the squad with plenty of examples shown before each and every game of how poor the shooting is, makes you wonder how much is done during the week on the basics.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on November 27, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
Can't be bothered. He's talking rubbish just like the head coach.  So they're singing from the same hymn sheet.  Still our biggest midfield threat and a good captain. And the free kick on Saturday was a shot not a cross.


You honestly think that was a shot? Regardless of it being a shot or a cross it doesn't justify how rubbish it was.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 27, 2014, 08:08:44 PM


You honestly think that was a shot? Regardless of it being a shot or a cross it doesn't justify how rubbish it was.

I'm on about the free kick from the left about 40 yards out where he tried to catch Courteouis out at his near post but ballooned it into the top tier of the stand.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 27, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
This:

http://www.attackingsoccer.com/2014/11/chris-brunts-awful-free-kick-against-chelsea/

I agree that he's dangerous player, I don't agree about the captain bit (but I coach a different sport and therefore look for something else in my players, his body language is poor IMHO) but whatever that ^^^^^  was I'd expect better from a dead ball situation by a player who's supposed to be a dead ball specialist.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 27, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
This:

http://www.attackingsoccer.com/2014/11/chris-brunts-awful-free-kick-against-chelsea/

I agree that he's dangerous player, I don't agree about the captain bit (but I coach a different sport and therefore look for something else in my players, his body language is poor IMHO) but whatever that ^^^^^  was I'd expect better from a dead ball situation by a player who's supposed to be a dead ball specialist.

Shanked it. These things happen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 27, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Shanked it. These things happen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI)
...Are you calling Brunty a 'shanker'. I sense a new chant. ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 27, 2014, 10:25:09 PM
Shanked it. These things happen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnhUx-1DqI)

I'm with Jacko re Brunt, he has moments of brilliance and a few more of awfulness, but, if you watch his overall game, he rarely give it away in bad areas and contributes a lot in his overall play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
With shots of any kind, I'd just like to see him stick to basics - keeping his body shape and getting the thing on target.

Do our coaches point out what's happening when he's failing to make full use of the much talked about left foot ?

Does Brunt practise with the coaches watching ?

Top rugby teams have a kicking coach ... how about getting Bomber in for a few sessions with Brunt and co ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on November 28, 2014, 08:37:21 AM
You're arguement would have a bit more credibility jacko if once in a while you actually admitted he misplaced a pass or had a bad game or something where as in your eyes he does absolutely nothing wrong.

I'm a brunt fan but the lengths you go to stick up for him are sometimes cringeworthy, just like the way you pick up every little thing dorrans does to crucify him.

Abit of Middle ground once in a while may get a few people starting to agree and take all the stats and what not you put up seriously.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on November 28, 2014, 08:58:03 AM
Brunty "shanks" the ball a little too often for my liking. Ive always liked Brunt I was so happy when we signed him from Sheff Weds after seeing him play a few times but I don't think his dead balls are the special.

Christiano Ronaldo is allowed one shank after all 99.9% of the time he doesn't mishit anything
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 28, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
With shots of any kind, I'd just like to see him stick to basics - keeping his body shape and getting the thing on target.

Do our coaches point out what's happening when he's failing to make full use of the much talked about left foot ?

Does Brunt practise with the coaches watching ?

Top rugby teams have a kicking coach ... how about getting Bomber in for a few sessions with Brunt and co ?

It's not just practicing with the coaches watching, it's practicing in stress situations. We were desperate to relieve some pressure against Chelsea and he delivered that shot/cross.

As you've picked up on my sport (rugby) I don't get my hookers to practice lineout throws when they're fresh, get them knackered and running about and then get them to do it to ensure thet can repeat it in the game. This is what I mean for Brunt, have him run a load of sprints then get some of the lads jeering as he delivers 20 crosses, it'll make it a whole lot easier when he's breathing heavy on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on November 28, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
I am a fan of Chris Brunt, but he obviously needs to cut down on the 'shanking' as it appears to be affecting his eye sight.
 :o.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 28, 2014, 10:57:59 PM
It's not just practicing with the coaches watching, it's practicing in stress situations. We were desperate to relieve some pressure against Chelsea and he delivered that shot/cross.

As you've picked up on my sport (rugby) I don't get my hookers to practice lineout throws when they're fresh, get them knackered and running about and then get them to do it to ensure thet can repeat it in the game. This is what I mean for Brunt, have him run a load of sprints then get some of the lads jeering as he delivers 20 crosses, it'll make it a whole lot easier when he's breathing heavy on a Saturday.
You can't replicate those stress situations though - yes he can do the sprints and get knackered but you can't replicate match pressure. Generally I'd say his crossing is not the main problem but his shooting and direct free kicks are.
The best rugby goal kickers (such as Wilkinson and Halfpenny) are obsessive with their practise...they are literally out there Christmas day. They can't practise with match pressure either but they can gain total confidence in their technique which then holds up under pressure.
With Brunt - he often seems to lift his head or lean back at the point of kicking the ball.....surely he can practise keeping his body shape and hitting that target until it almost becomes second nature....he's got natural power and doesn't need to break the back of the net. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 29, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
You can't replicate those stress situations though - yes he can do the sprints and get knackered but you can't replicate match pressure. Generally I'd say his crossing is not the main problem but his shooting and direct free kicks are.
The best rugby goal kickers (such as Wilkinson and Halfpenny) are obsessive with their practise...they are literally out there Christmas day. They can't practise with match pressure either but they can gain total confidence in their technique which then holds up under pressure.
With Brunt - he often seems to lift his head or lean back at the point of kicking the ball.....surely he can practise keeping his body shape and hitting that target until it almost becomes second nature....he's got natural power and doesn't need to break the back of the net.

I agree, Beckham was the same. I'd hope he is already practicing, as for changing technique that could take a while especially to do it under those stress situations. Now we're talking sports psycologist area...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggyman68 on November 29, 2014, 02:42:52 PM
Chris Brunt can't be fit! He hasn't got the energy to pass the ball to one of our players from a free kick, he has the acceleration of a bag of cement and is puffing and blowing like Thomas the Tank engine!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on November 29, 2014, 02:46:45 PM
Really poor today. So frustrating.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on November 29, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
Really poor today. So frustrating.

But he will still play next week. We cannot drop our captain - Mr Motivator
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Pick of the midfield I wonder what game some people are watching. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
Looks to me like he is trying to play the Irvine way yet he knows deep down it's rubbish!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 04:10:34 PM
Pick of the midfield I wonder what game some people are watching.

There was no pick of the midfield, all were on a par with each other. The very odd good thing overturned by moments of urine poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 04:23:33 PM
The midfield for me was terrible as a whole against an Arsenal side who although they had creative players didnt have any bite or steel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 29, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
Pick of the midfield I wonder what game some people are watching.

Jacko you get tiresome with your staunch view of Brunt - even with Brunt specs on you ought to be able to see when he has a bad game  :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Chipperfan on November 29, 2014, 04:49:08 PM
I've always been a Brunt fan, but thus afternoon I thought he looked well off the pace. Hie never really got into the game and his distribution was really very poor.

It's hard to defend his inclusion on today's evidence.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 29, 2014, 04:55:28 PM
Pick of the midfield I wonder what game some people are watching.

The one at the Hawthorns today and almost every game for two seasons, that's which games. Dreadful, offers practically nothing and hasn't for a long time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on November 29, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Can someone please explain what he gives to the team . No pace , can't tackle can't beat a man etc etc etc . Our midfield is championship , brunt Dorians and Morrison been here too long . If we stay up it will be because 3 are worse and after last season that ain't progress .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
Well there's the 4 assists that I think would see us in the bottom 3 without them? No worse than anyone else today and for me had the edge on Gardner Dorrans and Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 29, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
Well there's the 4 assists that I think would see us in the bottom 3 without them? No worse than anyone else today and for me had the edge on Gardner Dorrans and Mulumbu.

Still defending the undefensible - take a coffee break and chill - bit like Brunt when he's on the ball  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2014, 05:14:24 PM
Well there's the 4 assists that I think would see us in the bottom 3 without them? No worse than anyone else today and for me had the edge on Gardner Dorrans and Mulumbu.

Absolutely blinkered view,

Dorrans was streets ahead of Brunt today
Mulla got caught once, but generally his passing was far better today (albeit mostly square)
Gardner was poor
Brunt was abysmal
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
Absolutely blinkered view,

Dorrans was streets ahead of Brunt today
Mulla got caught once, but generally his passing was far better today (albeit mostly square)
Gardner was poor
Brunt was abysmal
Have to be honest, Gardner was awful and Brunt hasn't offered anything (other than a steady presence) for a long time
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
Still defending the undefensible - take a coffee break and chill - bit like Brunt when he's on the ball  8)

I suspect you mean indefensible and I'm not sure what you think Brunt has done wrong, he offers more attacking threat than any of the other midfielders.

The reason I'm defending him is that after today's game he would be way down the list of players who's thread should be brought to the top and singled out for criticism.

Albionic: Mulumbu and Gardner were very, very poor. Dorrans a bit better than them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2014, 05:23:37 PM
Jacko, you just flabbergast me !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 05:27:35 PM
Jacko, you just flabbergast me !

The feeling is mutual, do you have an obstructed view at the Shrine??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
All of our midfield were pee poor today that includes Dorrans and Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 29, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
All of the midfield were poor today. Sess was the only one today who offered some creativity and some flair.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 05:32:20 PM
Can't blame Brunt when Irvine sticks him (our only natural wide midfielder) out of position in the centre whilst leaving a natural central midfielder out wide for the second game running and banging Sess out on the left but you can blame him for again banging long balls out of play.

Midfield is one area that needs major overhaul next Summer. Brunt, Morrison and as much as I like him Dorrans have all been here a year or so too long now.

Just to add yes his assists have helped but given he takes almost all corners (until last few games from both sides) then stands to reason he will be at the top of our lists but more to a game than taking corners and we have now had only 4 corners in the last two games and only two of which were taken by Brunt. We need more from outfield play and he along with others is not producing them, whether thats down to players or tactics is something that needs changing
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BAGGIE5 on November 29, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
Brunt included this midfield is on its last legs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
It is a shame when people come rushing to criticise Chris Brunt yet others who were just as bad if not worse go uncriticised.

Brunt was poor but he was no worse than Dorrans, Gardner or Mulumbu who seemed to have gone un-noticed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on November 29, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
brunt,like Morrison and dorrans and soon to be gardener has 1 good game in ten,as someone said earlier our midfield is on its last legs
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:44:56 PM
Graphic pulled up on match of the day, lazy Brunt made the 3rd/4th most sprints and most by an Albion player today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggyman68 on November 29, 2014, 11:59:57 PM
Yeah, but he sprints about as fast as my grannie and has no idea what to do when he actually gets there. He's supposed to be our one natural winger but the manager plays him in the middle because he's too slow!
Come on be honest when did you last see him take on anyone and go past them ? No. it's get the ball, six yard sprint and stop then pass it back or sideways.
His shooting was the best thing about him but that has gone, look at last week with that 35 yard pass back/shot.
He has to go!!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Yeah, but he sprints about as fast as my grannie and has no idea what to do when he actually gets there. He's supposed to be our one natural winger but the manager plays him in the middle because he's too slow!
Come on be honest when did you last see him take on anyone and go past them ? No. it's get the ball, six yard sprint and stop then pass it back or sideways.
His shooting was the best thing about him but that has gone, look at last week with that 35 yard pass back/shot.
He has to go!!!!

His shooting has never been the best thing about him... Also he played wide left until we made tactical changes and he got moved inside presumably because he covers more ground and is a better passer than anyone else.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bombersboots on November 30, 2014, 12:13:03 AM
His shooting has never been the best thing about him... Also he played wide left until we made tactical changes and he got moved inside presumably because he covers more ground and is a better passer than anyone else.
:o does that include the free kick today that was a perfect 25 yarder to an Arsenal player? Or how about when he was nearest to a loose ball, but got beat to it by cazorla who started his run from 2/3 yards behind Brunt? Credit where its due, but he is currently as poor as he's been while at the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 12:18:08 AM
:o does that include the free kick today that was a perfect 25 yarder to an Arsenal player? Or how about when he was nearest to a loose ball, but got beat to it by cazorla who started his run from 2/3 yards behind Brunt? Credit where its due, but he is currently as poor as he's been while at the club.

Got news for you, Santi Cazorla is better than Chris Brunt, and every other player in our squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 09:23:41 AM
Got news for you, Santi Cazorla is better than Chris Brunt, and every other player in our squad.
Is that 60 cap, twice European Championship winning, Santi Cazorla who Arsenal paid £16M + for?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 30, 2014, 11:20:45 AM
Didn't realise that being a better footballer and having more caps and medals meant you were automatically quicker to a loose ball ?

Thats the only thing the poster who is being derided stated with Cazorla and Brunt. Maybe someone should tell Lloyd Dyer he needs to slow down as he's not good enough to be that quick.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggyman68 on November 30, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
It's not just his lack of pace, poor passing  and the ability to shoot that turns me off Brunt. It's his behaviour on the pitch. He constantly moans and flaps his arms like a child even when it's his fault.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stubba on November 30, 2014, 12:38:53 PM
All our midfield Gardner aside ( except yesterday ) have been poor Brunt though has been absolutely dire, dreadful, dross, pooh,toss, useless ect ect God help us!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on November 30, 2014, 08:20:07 PM
In my humble opinion Brunts one of the worst wide midfielders I've ever seen in an albion shirt. He's certainly not a natural winger, he doesn't have the pace and never will have. He can't cross, it always hits the first defender or goes too bloody far, or straight out. He never gets round the back of his man to reach the bye-line. A lot of his tackles in midfield are actually fouls he's so slow. He's not a natural captain and he loses interest too quickly. Let him go somewhere else to be over-rated and over-paid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on November 30, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
The whole midfield is far too slow, no pace, no penetration. As has been said in previous posts on this thread, the midfield is average Championship quality, exactly the level the like of Mulumbu,Brunt,Morrison,Dorrans have played for us at. Where is the progress? Nowhere. Championship players will end up equalling Championship football. I've been to watch Northern Ireland play an about 12 occasions with my mate from Belfast and they think he is useless, slow and lazy for them too. Someone squared up to Brunt after a 4-0 thrashing in Estonia a few years back, he was running back to the team bus after match, someone shouted at him "thats the fastest you've moved all effing day". Just about sums him up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 01, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
The whole midfield is far too slow, no pace, no penetration. As has been said in previous posts on this thread, the midfield is average Championship quality, exactly the level the like of Mulumbu,Brunt,Morrison,Dorrans have played for us at. Where is the progress? Nowhere. Championship players will end up equalling Championship football. I've been to watch Northern Ireland play an about 12 occasions with my mate from Belfast and they think he is useless, slow and lazy for them too. Someone squared up to Brunt after a 4-0 thrashing in Estonia a few years back, he was running back to the team bus after match, someone shouted at him "thats the fastest you've moved all effing day". Just about sums him up.

This midfield has played for us in the Premier League for several seasons now. The current problem is that they are stymied by a super rigid system and forced to play sideways and back simply because they are supposed to keep possession and they have nobody in front of them to play the ball to. We had a similar problem under Hodgson (but he had JT and Odemwingie to bail him out). They are so flat simply because they are under orders. Also Dorrans is not really a right winger.

The second problem is that none of them are fast. When we had JT he at least offered another option with his speed (his crossing/passing sucked though). Odemwingie offered both speed and skill. Without anything extra on the field we are flat by default and the current players never were game brakers on their own. We simply lack players on the field to offer another dimension or two, but that doesn't mean they players above are not prem players. Having said that, we need a less rigid system and we can't play them all at the same time. We need speed and skill out there as well. How often haven't we all said this?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
This midfield has played for us in the Premier League for several seasons now. The current problem is that they are stymied by a super rigid system and forced to play sideways and back simply because they are supposed to keep possession and they have nobody in front of them to play the ball to. They are so flat simply because they are under orders. Also Dorrans is not really a right winger.

The second problem is that none of them are fast. When we had JT he at least offered another option. Odemwingie offered both speed and skill. Without anything extra on the field we are flat by default and the players you listed never were game brakers on their own. We simply lack players on the field to offer another dimension or two, but that doesn't mean they players above are not solid players prem players. Having said that, we need a less rigid system and we can't play them all at the same time. We need speed and skill out there as well. How often haven't we all said this?
Very well summed-up. Too many of the same style of player, it's a very unbalanced midfield. I'm sure the unconditional Irvine-defenders will find a way to defend this though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 11:38:08 PM
Not Brunts biggest fan by any means and didn't like to see him line up in the middle tonight but I thought he did okay until his injury.

The free kick that started the run to the first goal I thought he won the ball but when the ref went to his pocket I half expected a red card for him diving in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 02, 2014, 11:56:53 PM
Not Brunts biggest fan by any means and didn't like to see him line up in the middle tonight but I thought he did okay until his injury.

The free kick that started the run to the first goal I thought he won the ball but when the ref went to his pocket I half expected a red card for him diving in.

It was a fantastic tackle mate, perfectly timed. You just knew they'd score from the resulting free kick.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 12:19:25 AM
Not Brunts biggest fan by any means and didn't like to see him line up in the middle tonight but I thought he did okay until his injury.

The free kick that started the run to the first goal I thought he won the ball but when the ref went to his pocket I half expected a red card for him diving in.

Not sure of the ruling for a red card, but I thought he was carded for showing his studs, even though he did get the ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 03, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
It was a wild lunge, yes he got the ball but it was reckless. Ref was right to book him. I'm still in disbelief that Irvine thinks brunt is a better central midfielder than Mulumbu who was great second half. Laughable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on December 03, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
That was a potentially dangerous tackle, both feet off the floor, could have broke the blokes leg. Deserved booking. We were so much better when he went off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 08:35:27 AM
for me its a blessing but it will most likely give Irvine more time
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
for me its a blessing but it will most likely give Irvine more time

Me too. Check out our record without him in the starting 11 over the last couple of seasons. It makes interesting reading.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2014, 01:24:12 PM
For the whole Midfield the pace thing is largely a red herring, in C-MF you need to quick at thinking and passing accurately, (the ball will move faster than a player).
Out wide where CB (supposedly) plays, pace is more important as you should have the ability to make space to cross or beat an opponent sometimes with a trick, sometimes with pace.

In short I think CB gets more criticsm than most (from myself included) because he is neither a wide player,(fast/tricky) or C-MF fast thinking,  accurate passing.  Its hard to see where he fits in a modern side, add the body language and you have a cocktail that frustrates and infuriates IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 03, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
I like Brunt in the centre of midfield, not sure it worked to well with both him and Gardner in there though, think either of them have to play with someone like Mulumbu who breaks up the play more.

 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 03, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
It was a wild lunge, yes he got the ball but it was reckless. Ref was right to book him. I'm still in disbelief that Irvine thinks brunt is a better central midfielder than Mulumbu who was great second half. Laughable.

If the player was through on goal and he did that same tackle he would be a hero. Yacob's against Chelsea was reckless and two-footed, that tackle by Brunt was perfectly timed and not remotely dangerous to the opposing player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 03, 2014, 07:08:25 PM
You can't slide 12 yards across the pitch with both feet up and all your body weight, even at the ball and expect a prem ref not to book you. It was telling that Brunt needed to dive in the first place; had he been closer to the ball and not so leggy and slow to shift his body weight then he might not have needed to. Albeit I can only blame Irvine for deciding to play him in the centre of midfield - I still can't get my head around that decision with Mulumbu and Yacob on the bench. Sackable in itself. Arguably cost us the game as well. The last 20 minutes of the first half we had no body in the middle to control the game. Mulumbu came on and dictated play and Valera then provided some width on the left; had the muppet manager put Gamboa on the right then West Ham would have really been up against it. As it was they were able to double up on Valera safe in the knowledge that Wisdom & Dorrans couldn't hurt them. Sess had a go out on the right late on but played quite central.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on December 03, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
Was a great tackle. Not interested in discussing all the other points, just the tackle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Superb tackle and we were poorer in midfield after he went off until Varela came on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on December 03, 2014, 10:28:06 PM
Not a big fan of Brunt, but I thought he was having a decent game last night.

I also thought it was a good tackle, but when te free kick was given I  had a feeling that West Ham would score
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 04, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
I saw the tackle on the MOTD last night, he didn't get the ball and it was a clear foul. If you watch the video reply there can be no debate. The ref was spot on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 09:37:21 PM
on the OS, Chris Brunt is not sure if he'll be fit to play against the Villa BUT is desperate to play.

This will be interesting to watch, AI has been vociferous in not playing people who are not in the "red zone"
Will this criteria be stuck to? or does it only apply to the "new" boys? or will CB prove to have miraculous powers of recovery and can immediately be in the red zone, whilst others are not after months?

For me if CB plays and others (Varela) do not, it confirms the clique is alive and functioning well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 09, 2014, 09:42:42 PM
on the OS, Chris Brunt is not sure if he'll be fit to play against the Villa BUT is desperate to play.

This will be interesting to watch, AI has been vociferous in not playing people who are not in the "red zone"
Will this criteria be stuck to? or does it only apply to the "new" boys? or will CB prove to have miraculous powers of recovery and can immediately be in the red zone, whilst others are not after months?

For me if CB plays and others (Varela) do not, it confirms the clique is alive and functioning well.

Good point actually will be interesting come 2 oclock.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 09, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
We are better without him.No offence Chris

I am not really sure what i mean by better though
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 09, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
on the OS, Chris Brunt is not sure if he'll be fit to play against the Villa BUT is desperate to play.

This will be interesting to watch, AI has been vociferous in not playing people who are not in the "red zone"
Will this criteria be stuck to? or does it only apply to the "new" boys? or will CB prove to have miraculous powers of recovery and can immediately be in the red zone, whilst others are not after months?

For me if CB plays and others (Varela) do not, it confirms the clique is alive and functioning well.

Valid point mate.

I think if hes 80% fit he will start.

Morrison was out for weeks with illness, and was put back in the squad.

At very least I expect Brunt to be on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 09, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Brunt didn't have a pre-season but somehow was fit to play week in, week out...strange that when compared to the new signings. Really missed him at Hull didn't we?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on December 09, 2014, 10:54:42 PM
on the OS, Chris Brunt is not sure if he'll be fit to play against the Villa BUT is desperate to play.

This will be interesting to watch, AI has been vociferous in not playing people who are not in the "red zone"
Will this criteria be stuck to? or does it only apply to the "new" boys? or will CB prove to have miraculous powers of recovery and can immediately be in the red zone, whilst others are not after months?

For me if CB plays and others (Varela) do not, it confirms the clique is alive and functioning well.
Remember his penalty at Villa Park a few years back that ended up in the "o-zone"!!
Ridiculous if he plays ahead of Varela and will prove that Irvine just spouts all this red zone nonsense to justify his team selections.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 09, 2014, 10:58:02 PM
see this is the problem if he is picked the atmosophere will be flat from the off
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: brummyroader on December 09, 2014, 11:01:27 PM
I'm very much in the get behind AI camp but as mentioned above his fantasy about fitness will go out the window if Brunt starts. Regarding Varela no harm in starting him and getting an hour or maybe more out of him, you never know unless you give him the chance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 11:22:53 PM
I'm very much in the get behind AI camp but as mentioned above his fantasy about fitness will go out the window if Brunt starts. Regarding Varela no harm in starting him and getting an hour or maybe more out of him, you never know unless you give him the chance.

I think playing Varela is a no lose for AI, if it works he gets a result and some kudos from fans, if it fails then he vindicates his approach to date.

However, You could make a similar argument for Gamboa having played from start for some weeks, but AI didn't grasp that nettle, so I'm not confident he will "risk" Varela over Brunt.

Please prove me wrong Alan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2014, 11:41:15 PM
If fit he should play. That penalty aside he's very good against Vile. Offers a creative threat we were lacking at Hull.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 11:42:34 PM
If fit he should play. That penalty aside he's very good against Vile. Offers a creative threat we were lacking at Hull.

The point is, how can he be fit based upon AI's quoted criteria ?? Therefore how can he justifiably play??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
The point is, how can he be fit based upon AI's quoted criteria ?? Therefore how can he justifiably play??

I'm not really bothered. I already think Irvine is a hypocrite I just want him to play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BRANDHALL_REGGIE on December 09, 2014, 11:53:51 PM
Please Please Santa I've been a good lad this year!! can you please don'tt rush Brunty back to fitness!!! we are crying out for width and Brunt no longer gives us that option don't get me wrong he's been better this season made some decent contributions but AI got to go Varela imo lets give the Vile somthing to worry about.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on December 10, 2014, 02:33:18 AM
Hard to believe Brunty will be 30 soon. Signed him when he was 22.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on December 10, 2014, 03:38:39 AM
Hard to believe Brunty will be 30 soon. Signed him when he was 22.
I think this may be part of the recent staleness, Brunt, Dorrans and Morrison have all been here a while now, and are clearly not ever going to bigger clubs.  They must be financially secure for life, so where's the real edge for them?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on December 10, 2014, 03:51:16 AM
I think this may be part of the recent staleness, Brunt, Dorrans and Morrison have all been here a while now, and are clearly not ever going to bigger clubs.  They must be financially secure for life, so where's the real edge for them?
they were never good enough to go to a big club, don't worry if they had have been they still wouldn't be at the Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 10, 2014, 03:58:50 AM
best get down the jesson and pick up some hungry players in then   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 10, 2014, 03:59:40 AM
they were never good enough to go to a big club, don't worry if they had have been they still wouldn't be at the Albion.
Morrison at a time was very good player use yo drive forward take people on and spearhead our attacking play under hodgson and Clarke however after injury like you say he's part of few that are struggling now at premiership level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 10, 2014, 04:04:38 AM
Brunt and dorrans have also been superb for this club at championship level and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching them in that league, Brunts passing and dozzas skill was superb.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 10, 2014, 04:15:13 AM
got to agree to an extent
Dozza has been excellent in patches, don't know where he lost his shooting boots though

Mozza, I would describe as having been a solid performer, but lost his drive somewhere.

Brunt, a bit of an enigma, can be excellent, but no longer a wide player, and become a latter day Jesus (greening) in the centre, in as much that I really don't know where / how you play him nowadays.

And yes, we the fans have had some part to play in all 3 losing confidence.

the BIG issue is the coaching staff should be getting the very best out of all 3 players who are capable of far more than we have seen for last 18 months
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on December 10, 2014, 04:29:48 AM
All three have played integral parts in our best period for three decades.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 10, 2014, 04:34:04 AM
Offers a creative threat we were lacking at Hull.

We have been lacking a creative threat all season and Brunt has been a major part of that midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 10, 2014, 04:37:18 AM
We have been lacking a creative threat all season and Brunt has been a major part of that midfield.
# blamedorrans
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on December 10, 2014, 04:51:20 AM
3 players have been with us since the champion ship . Dorrans , Morrison and Brunt . Neither of these is now a premiership player . Until we move this 3 on we will struggle .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 10, 2014, 04:54:09 AM
3 players have been with us since the champion ship . Dorrans , Morrison and Brunt . Neither of these is now a premiership player . Until we move this 3 on we will struggle .

Isn't it interesting though that the fans have that view, yet those lads played a fair bit (especially Mozza and Brunt) in the teams that finished 11th, 10th and 8th..... If you've played 50+ games in teams that end there, then you are certainly a Prem player by any standard.

I'm not advocating their staying, I'm not really arguing either, but it's a fair point I feel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 10, 2014, 04:56:15 AM
We have been lacking a creative threat all season and Brunt has been a major part of that midfield.

But more of a  threat.

# blamedorrans

#skipperhasfourassists
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 10, 2014, 05:03:43 AM
The assists thing is a poor argument given how many set pieces he takes so stands to reason that through out a season he will be top of the assist table.

We need more goals created from outfield play as we lack genuine Premier League quality in that area, isn't Dorrans currently top of that for us this season ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 10, 2014, 06:35:18 AM
For me, if Brunt is fit he starts. This goes against my previous opinions but i've changed my mind, i'm allowed right?!

Varela is right footed, play him on the right. The problems we have are also in the middle when Morrison, Dorrans and Gardner all start. If Brunt is on the left, Varela on the right and we get more balance in the middle, we'll cause problems. For example, Mulumbu and Gardner/Yacob sitting and Sess attacking.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sing on our own on December 10, 2014, 06:36:14 AM
I think Brunt's corners are brilliant and very hard to defend but his free kicks really are hit and miss, Gardener was unlucky sat maybe he should try a few at least it would mix things up a little and keep the opposition guessing a little.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on December 10, 2014, 07:04:09 AM
Brunt corners and free kicks are very often useless
In other years we were bailed out by p o and luk .also that poor midfield in the past was helped out by Gera who has more class than all 3 put together .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on December 10, 2014, 07:06:09 AM
3 players have been with us since the champion ship . Dorrans , Morrison and Brunt . Neither of these is now a premiership player . Until we move this 3 on we will struggle .
still think all 3 are capable at this level, its when all 3 are played collectively that makes us look less effective in midfield.
3 players all about the same standard whereas 2 would be ok if they were played alongside 2 higher quality players,
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 10, 2014, 07:08:16 AM
The midfield should be set up like this:

       Mulumbu             Yacob
Varela        Sessegnon           Brunt

Varela and Sessegnon provide the pace (free role for the latter means he can move about and support where needed). Mulumbu and Yacob provide the defensive shield (you watch them the season we finished 8th and tell me that isn't how it should be). Brunt then doesn't need to provide the pace, or defensive cover, and so can return to what he always did; dictate our tempo and pick the passes.

We only notice his shortcomings more now because the midfield we're picking doesn't compliment his strengths as it used to under Mowbray / Di Matteo / Hodgson. I feel out of the three being singled out, Brunt is better than Morrison and Dorrans, and still the most capable Premier league player, but only when you play to his strengths.

I think managers have tried to put him in the centre to turn him into a 'quarterback' type player, where he sits there spraying passes around and dictates the game, sort of how Cabaye did at Newcastle. It doesn't work for us because it creates an imbalance in the team, and Brunt doesn't have what is necessary for that role.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 10, 2014, 08:52:10 AM
Not sure how he is better than Morrison or Dorrans as they are different players. I would pick Morrison and Dorrans in the middle over Brunt every time but would then pick Brunt out wide (either side of the pitch) over the others each and every time as well.

Brunt showed some of his best form for a while when Mel came in and played him wider than he is currently doing but for me the way to get the best out of Brunt is to get him wide and get crosses into the box as he used to do for Bednar, game at Plymouth a few years ago a perfect example of what effect he can have but we don't set up that way and for me Brunt is wasted now. I admit i'm not his biggest fan especially when is central but I do see what he can offer if utilised correctly again either side getting the ball into the box.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on December 10, 2014, 09:14:04 AM
Not sure how he is better than Morrison or Dorrans as they are different players. I would pick Morrison and Dorrans in the middle over Brunt every time but would then pick Brunt out wide (either side of the pitch) over the others each and every time as well.

Brunt showed some of his best form for a while when Mel came in and played him wider than he is currently doing but for me the way to get the best out of Brunt is to get him wide and get crosses into the box as he used to do for Bednar, game at Plymouth a few years ago a perfect example of what effect he can have but we don't set up that way and for me Brunt is wasted now. I admit i'm not his biggest fan especially when is central but I do see what he can offer if utilised correctly again either side getting the ball into the box.

Also Brunt used to score goals when he was allowed to get into the box. Funny that.

Now that he is not crossing the ball, not allowed into the box, not allowed to pick out forward players (there are none to pick out apart from a heavily marked Saido when he plays), not really playing as a wide winger AND instructed to play the ball sideways and backwards to keep possession...

...is it any wonder that he looks a bit less than exciting and efficient?  ::)

What is he supposed to do in Irvine's system? How can he improve?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 10, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
The midfield should be set up like this:

       Mulumbu             Yacob
Varela        Sessegnon           Brunt

Varela and Sessegnon provide the pace (free role for the latter means he can move about and support where needed). Mulumbu and Yacob provide the defensive shield (you watch them the season we finished 8th and tell me that isn't how it should be). Brunt then doesn't need to provide the pace, or defensive cover, and so can return to what he always did; dictate our tempo and pick the passes.

We only notice his shortcomings more now because the midfield we're picking doesn't compliment his strengths as it used to under Mowbray / Di Matteo / Hodgson. I feel out of the three being singled out, Brunt is better than Morrison and Dorrans, and still the most capable Premier league player, but only when you play to his strengths.

I think managers have tried to put him in the centre to turn him into a 'quarterback' type player, where he sits there spraying passes around and dictates the game, sort of how Cabaye did at Newcastle. It doesn't work for us because it creates an imbalance in the team, and Brunt doesn't have what is necessary for that role.
A decent looking midfield, who do you think could lead it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on December 10, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
A decent looking midfield, who do you think could lead it?

We've got the second top English goalscorer in the Premier League, I'd say it would be a little daft to leave him on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 10, 2014, 08:08:11 PM
We've got the second top English goalscorer in the Premier League, I'd say it would be a little daft to leave him on the bench.

I would be utterly bemused if he wasnt playing to the point of almost tears not because hes a fantastic player but because i know we wont score a goal otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 11, 2014, 01:51:27 AM
Ruled out Saturday never thought I'd say this about our club captain but this is good news.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 11, 2014, 06:43:56 AM
Dorrans and Brunt are our version of Lampard and Gerrard it doesn't work.  While Swansea have been busy signing quality  we've rested on our laurels and developing a clique at the same time.  I don't know how much more evidence is needed of our shortcomings in midfield?  Let's play Mulumbu and watch him grow as he gets more game time and shows his quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on December 13, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
brunt out the team,4 points from 6 it happens everytime he is out the team,he gives us nothing and the results prove it
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 13, 2014, 10:56:40 PM
Suspect it's more to with McAuley and that Brunt will be straight back in when fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 14, 2014, 12:06:22 AM
Suspect it's more to with McAuley and that Brunt will be straight back in when fit.

Have you heard of a gay-dar?! I'm wondering if you have a Brunt-dar that goes off when you sense he may need defending on here?!

I'm just joking, I agree he should be in, I'd put him in for Dorrans.

Question is, shift Varela to the right or put Brunt there? Irvine would love the way that would make us more narrow!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 14, 2014, 12:10:24 AM
No need to change a winning team.

Shove him on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 12:16:03 AM
Backward step leaving out a central midfielder to put a wide player in there, back to the square pegs in round holes.

I expect it to happen though and Brunt to return but maybe for Varela instead as QPR will be a different game to Villa
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on December 14, 2014, 01:52:05 AM
Brunt will have to grasp his chance when he gets it but no way should he be guarenteed to go straight back in.

We hadnt won in 5 games or so with the old formation let injuries decide who comes back in and not some misguided loyalty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 14, 2014, 02:39:38 AM
Suspect it's more to with McAuley and that Brunt will be straight back in when fit.
Are you hoping that we lose again?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2014, 02:59:02 AM
Are you hoping that we lose again?

Do you want us to go down?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 03:38:34 AM
brunt out the team,4 points from 6 it happens everytime he is out the team,he gives us nothing and the results prove it
I might suggest the standard of opposition had more of an influence on the results rather than whether or not Chris Brunt was playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stubba on December 14, 2014, 06:03:34 AM
Not worth a shirt simple
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 14, 2014, 06:05:56 AM
I might suggest the standard of opposition had more of an influence on the results rather than whether or not Chris Brunt was playing.

Yeah, this gets me everytime. Brunt's fit for games against Arsenal, Chelsea, and United, we lose all three. He's unfit for games against Hull and Villa, and we take four points.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 14, 2014, 06:08:28 AM
Normally I wouldn't change a winning team - however I'd bring Big Vic in for Brown away from home.

Brunt shouldn't talk back in to the team - I know he's the skipper, but I find he slows play down an awful lot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sted1990 on December 14, 2014, 06:10:51 AM
I think we missed Brunts delivery from corners and free kicks Saturday, in my opinion he will be be straight back in on Saturday. If that's the correct decision I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2014, 06:19:42 AM
How many did we win without him last season? 4 of the 7 wins I think. He'll be straight back in again which is wrong IMO. He's done nothing of note for a long time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on December 14, 2014, 06:46:15 AM
Varela is an outlet and should stay in as we need players who can worry the opposition, home or away. Brunt is in competition with Dorrans and Morrison for a place and shouldn't be an automatic selection.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:52:52 AM
Varela is an outlet and should stay in as we need players who can worry the opposition, home or away. Brunt is in competition with Dorrans and Morrison for a place and shouldn't be an automatic selection.

He should be in competition with Varela only for a place out wide, never a Premier League central midfielder no matter how often you stick him there. Next Summer should be a big Summer in terms of overhauling the midfield with all of Dorrans, Brunt and Morrison being dropped to the bench or moved on and replaced by better quality. All good servants but all replaceable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2014, 09:22:19 AM
He should be in competition with Varela only for a place out wide, never a Premier League central midfielder no matter how often you stick him there. Next Summer should be a big Summer in terms of overhauling the midfield with all of Dorrans, Brunt and Morrison being dropped to the bench or moved on and replaced by better quality. All good servants but all replaceable.
not sure why we gave brunt a new 3yr contract, steady player and a good servant but we need better if we are to go forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 14, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
If he starts at QPR then the coaching team are taking the pee out of the whole fan base.  There is no justification or basis for his selection.  Id pack my bags and head back to Portugal if I was Varela.  As for me personally, if Brunt is selected I'd be  very suspicious of the coaching staff and their motives for the jobs they're employed to do.  Same scenario if Anichebe is brought back in for Saido or Ideye so nothing personal for me against Chris Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
If he starts at QPR then the coaching team are taking the pee out of the whole fan base.  There is no justification or basis for his selection.  Id pack my bags and head back to Portugal if I was Varela.  As for me personally, if Brunt is selected I'd be  very suspicious of the coaching staff and their motives for the jobs they're employed to do.  Same scenario if Anichebe is brought back in for Saido or Ideye so nothing personal for me against Chris Brunt.

You dont change a winning team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: robnewbold on December 15, 2014, 12:45:14 AM
If he starts at QPR then the coaching team are taking the pee out of the whole fan base.  There is no justification or basis for his selection.  Id pack my bags and head back to Portugal if I was Varela.  As for me personally, if Brunt is selected I'd be  very suspicious of the coaching staff and their motives for the jobs they're employed to do.  Same scenario if Anichebe is brought back in for Saido or Ideye so nothing personal for me against Chris Brunt.

Big decision for Mr Irvine...if he drops Varela for Brunt he's a total plank and will deserve the slaughtering he will get.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 15, 2014, 01:45:52 AM
AI cannot risk it. The wrath of fans would be untenable.

I do wonder how much of his 14hour days is spent reviewing forums? Of late his decisions have been aligning with the populist views.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on December 15, 2014, 05:19:48 AM
Big decision for Mr Irvine...if he drops Varela for Brunt he's a total plank and will deserve the slaughtering he will get.
I'm sure Jacko will be on soon fighting Brunt's corner
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on December 15, 2014, 06:58:21 PM
AI cannot risk it. The wrath of fans would be untenable.

I do wonder how much of his 14hour days is spent reviewing forums? Of late his decisions have been aligning with the populist views.
Don't think Irvine reviews forums but am sure the Football club do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: pau1200 on December 15, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
Why not play both, leave brunt in the middle along side gardiner and Morrison and keep verela and sess out wide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on December 15, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Why not play both, leave brunt in the middle along side gardiner and Morrison and keep verela and sess out wide.

If Vic's fit for Saturday, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4:3:3 with Brunt, Gardner & Morrison/Dorrans in the middle. & Ideye, Vic & Saido up front.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on December 15, 2014, 10:51:27 PM
Why not play both, leave brunt in the middle along side gardiner and Morrison and keep verela and sess out wide.
This is the way I'd do it. Brunt was playing very well centrally sb West Ham before he got injured. Playing inside with the game in front of him is his best position IMO. I'd be tempted to take Dorrans out if Brunt is fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 15, 2014, 10:51:42 PM
Why not play both, leave brunt in the middle along side gardiner and Morrison and keep verela and sess out wide.

Brunt is not a centre midfielder, we have enough natural central midfielders to not stick a square peg in a round hole
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: monkey nuts on December 15, 2014, 11:05:55 PM
Brunt is not a centre midfielder, we have enough natural central midfielders to not stick a square peg in a round hole

absolutely spot on Oldbury
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on December 15, 2014, 11:07:04 PM
Brunt is not a centre midfielder, we have enough natural central midfielders to not stick a square peg in a round hole

He's not much of a wide player either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 15, 2014, 11:22:23 PM
If Vic's fit for Saturday, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4:3:3 with Brunt, Gardner & Morrison/Dorrans in the middle. & Ideye, Vic & Saido up front.

The only time we will see Vic, Berahino and Ideye on the field together will be when we are chasing a game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on December 18, 2014, 12:24:40 PM
the longer brunt is out the more points we will pick up,and who in there right mind would have him as captain over lescott anyway
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 18, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
It does make you wonder, that most the time Brunt isnt in the team we do seem to pick up points.

For the record, im a fan of brunts.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 18, 2014, 01:39:29 PM
it is akin to playing with 10 men at times, I have said before i don't see where CB fits in our team,
he ain't a winger
he ain't a C-MF,
the wand misfires more than Ron Weasleys.

Cover for Poc in a crisis ??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 18, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing him come back into the side at QPR, although alongside Varela rather than instead of him. Thought he did well in the centre against West Ham but not sure him and Morrison would be a great pairing there.

Had his best season in the premier league(in my opinion) for us playing on the right and coming inside, got 8 goals that season I think, wonder if that might be something Irvine looks at doing? Then move Sess back inside, Gardner drops back alongside Morrison and then Dorrans to the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 18, 2014, 10:50:08 PM
How about we just leave him on the bench or the coach where he belongs. So refreshing to have a real leader as Captain against villa, Lescott is a natural. None of the stupid arm throwing from Brunt for a change.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 19, 2014, 04:14:51 AM
How about we just leave him on the bench or the coach where he belongs. So refreshing to have a real leader as Captain against villa, Lescott is a natural. None of the stupid arm throwing from Brunt for a change.
I agree with this, and I get frustrated by the "shuffling of the pack" to try to accomodate someone who offers little these days and needs moving on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on December 19, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
Irvine saying today that it doesn't have to be either or with Brunt and Varela and that they will play together with Brunt in the centre.
Don't think he needs to come back tomorrow though, but if he does it has to be in place of Dorrans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 19, 2014, 08:50:40 AM
So who on here thinks Brunt only really gets into the team on 'captains' merit?

If he wasnt captain do you think he would be playing as much?

Just a question...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on December 19, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
I have a feeling we'll see Brunt in the middle tomorrow, with Varela staying on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on December 19, 2014, 10:38:30 AM
So who on here thinks Brunt only really gets into the team on 'captains' merit?

If he wasnt captain do you think he would be playing as much?

Just a question...

I agree. The same could have been said for Carson when he was captain here. It was only RH who had the balls to drop him. Brunt has offered nothing for a long time and is obviously on the decline. He reminds me very much of Jonathan Greening and I think Brunt will go the same way. Started wide, played well and offered plenty of assists. Moved into the middle as he got older and ended up stifling our play. Moving Greening on at the time was one of the best things we could have done. Brunt should only be a bit part player now and certainly shouldn't have been given a new 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 19, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
He does seem to find a way into the starting 11 no matter what which is just baffling to those mere mortal fans who only watch the actual games! Just consider that Yacob has hardly had a kick and Mulumbu has been our best player consistently for the last four years - both solid central midfielders and the manager is considering sidelining them to shoe-horn Brunt into the middle?! Laughable. And to those who point to Brunts 43 minute cameo in the middle against West Ham can I point out that his lack of mobility / athleticism / tackling ability led to him playing catch up, sliding in recklessly, bringing down the West Ham player and conceding a free kick from which they equalised. Irvine will sink in my estimation considerably if Brunt plays in the middle tomorrow.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on December 19, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
He does seem to find a way into the starting 11 no matter what which is just baffling to those mere mortal fans who only watch the actual games! Just consider that Yacob has hardly had a kick and Mulumbu has been our best player consistently for the last four years - both solid central midfielders and the manager is considering sidelining them to shoe-horn Brunt into the middle?! Laughable. And to those who point to Brunts 43 minute cameo in the middle against West Ham can I point out that his lack of mobility / athleticism / tackling ability led to him playing catch up, sliding in recklessly, bringing down the West Ham player and conceding a free kick from which they equalised. Irvine will sink in my estimation considerably if Brunt plays in the middle tomorrow.

well summarised chap!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on December 19, 2014, 06:01:35 PM
I don't know how Jacko's managing to keep shtum :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on December 19, 2014, 06:25:34 PM
I don't know how Jacko's managing to keep shtum :P
Probably still dissapointed the villa didn't beat us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
I totally agree. Had we gone behind we'd have never come back to win that game. We had very little to offer on the pitch let alone off the bench. Varela for me should be in the starting 11 but how can we drop the sacred Brunt?

Seven managers and  counting.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2015, 08:36:49 PM
did anyone pick up on Pulis telling brunt to swap wings with Sess after about 15mins.
Brunt kept gesturing to wait which left TP less than impressed.

I think the sacred cow may be sacrificed quite soon. Most likely in the quest for pace
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 11, 2015, 08:38:27 PM
Sounds good to me.
He is OK with a dead ball, but as pointed out...He is a plodder.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
I totally agree. Had we gone behind we'd have never come back to win that game. We had very little to offer on the pitch let alone off the bench. Varela for me should be in the starting 11 but how can we drop the sacred Brunt?

When someone gets repeatedly picked its a case of every single professional has been wrong, or a handful of fans are....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 11, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
Times do come when even the "sacred" have to be put on the pyre.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2015, 09:40:14 PM
Times do come when even the "sacred" have to be put on the pyre.

Sacred to whom? RDM, Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, Irvine, and now Pulis have all kept him on as captain, all kept starting him. It's laughable arrogant that a few fans seem to think they know better. Not any other player we've had has been a consistent starter when fit for all those managers, Brunt is the only one.

People just don't seem to like him as much because he's not a traditional go past your man with pace and trickery winger in spite of the fact that the wingers who do stuff like that available to us tend to have far less end product than Brunt does. Then he gets accusations like laziness thrown around at him when he consistently covers the most ground for the team in matches.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on January 11, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
I totally agree. Had we gone behind we'd have never come back to win that game. We had very little to offer on the pitch let alone off the bench. Varela for me should be in the starting 11 but how can we drop the sacred Brunt?
At home it has been 35 league games at a guess I did check a while back as I was curious, not complaining at 1-0 wins at all  :D nevertheless I agree with your point if the away team scores a goal we have slim chances of winning the game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on January 11, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Brunt is on borrowed time, mark my words.

Pulis is aiming for 7 more wins & 3 attacking signings in Jan.

Varela had slight calf injury from what i am told.

As for Brunt; he is lazy/unfit/a mixture of both.

If you watch his game very closely, he does the easy option an awful lot. Has no movement off the ball, doesnt close his man quick enough which will frustrate Pulis more than anything. I cant name a player who looks so visibly unfit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2015, 01:05:08 AM
Brunt is on borrowed time, mark my words.

Pulis is aiming for 7 more wins & 3 attacking signings in Jan.

Varela had slight calf injury from what i am told.

As for Brunt; he is lazy/unfit/a mixture of both.

If you watch his game very closely, he does the easy option an awful lot. Has no movement off the ball, doesnt close his man quick enough which will frustrate Pulis more than anything. I cant name a player who looks so visibly unfit.


Yet none of the statistics bear this out, in fact they suggest he is the fittest player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on January 12, 2015, 03:00:20 AM
Chris Brunt has had some dire games over the last 18 months.

However, he has never hidden, he has never gone into his shell, he has on the surface at least remained a consumate professional throughout his time with us. From my own perspective he comes in for far too much stick.

If and when he leaves I would thank him for his contribution and also be subdued at his loss.
Good club man, good pro', sadly under rated by many.

Not to worry, we might be signing Walters soon, what a ****ing star.
Let's hope he can get on the end of his own crosses.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on January 12, 2015, 06:41:45 AM
Chris Brunt has had some dire games over the last 18 months.

However, he has never hidden, he has never gone into his shell, he has on the surface at least remained a consumate professional throughout his time with us. From my own perspective he comes in for far too much stick.

If and when he leaves I would thank him for his contribution and also be subdued at his loss.
Good club man, good pro', sadly under rated by many.

Not to worry, we might be signing Walters soon, what a ****ing star.
Let's hope he can get on the end of his own crosses.

He's in a similar position to what Johnathan Greening was in (another player I always liked).
Yes he does take the easy option (what's wrong with that-football is an easy game) and he doesnt have the pace to go past people but like many others have said, seven managers cant all be wrong!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 12, 2015, 12:44:59 PM
Wait until the January window is closed and let's see if Pulis starts Brunt - will be interesting to see if he can survive if we bring in a couple of quick wingers.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies54 on January 12, 2015, 02:31:39 PM
I think Brunty has played a bit faster and harder since Pulis has had any influence, responding quite well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 12, 2015, 03:21:06 PM
Wait until the January window is closed and let's see if Pulis starts Brunt - will be interesting to see if he can survive if we bring in a couple of quick wingers.
well he's fended of a Portuguese international for most of the season.. and so far anyone else for about 7 years now. like you say, we'll see.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on January 12, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
It's quite sad but for the first 5/6 years at West Brom he genuinely was one of our better, consistent players (of course, for the first 3 years he was a big fish in a small pond compared to some of our other players).

The issue I have with Brunt at the moment is that he's simply not fit enough anymore, and I don't think it's because he's lazy. If you saw on Saturday, Pulis started him much higher than usual, but eventually he ended up pretty deep like always. I think this was because after 30 minutes he was completely knackered...it's almost like as he's closed in on 30 years old his fitness/legs have gone completely. I don't know if this is what you'd call "burn out" as he's played lots of football in his career, but this season and last season he's looked tired an awful lot.

I say it's sad, because he's clearly a model professional and has been very loyal to this club, even though some fans bizarrely boo him at times (remember at his peak, Brunt could have quite easily forced a move elsewhere as he was in strong demand). Sadly I think he's on the decline and is past the brink, I think for his career he either has to accept that he'd be best as a sub or go elsewhere, either way you have to congratulate him on the sheer number of games he's done for us, and you don't captain a team who finished 8th by merely turning up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 12, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
Brunt has good stamina but we still lack pace and dynamism especially in the midfield. I don't think Brunt is a dynamic player at all - he rarely plays a one-two or surges into space to pick up the return pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 12, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
It's quite sad but for the first 5/6 years at West Brom he genuinely was one of our better, consistent players (of course, for the first 3 years he was a big fish in a small pond compared to some of our other players).

The issue I have with Brunt at the moment is that he's simply not fit enough anymore, and I don't think it's because he's lazy. If you saw on Saturday, Pulis started him much higher than usual, but eventually he ended up pretty deep like always. I think this was because after 30 minutes he was completely knackered...it's almost like as he's closed in on 30 years old his fitness/legs have gone completely. I don't know if this is what you'd call "burn out" as he's played lots of football in his career, but this season and last season he's looked tired an awful lot.

I say it's sad, because he's clearly a model professional and has been very loyal to this club, even though some fans bizarrely boo him at times (remember at his peak, Brunt could have quite easily forced a move elsewhere as he was in strong demand). Sadly I think he's on the decline and is past the brink, I think for his career he either has to accept that he'd be best as a sub or go elsewhere, either way you have to congratulate him on the sheer number of games he's done for us, and you don't captain a team who finished 8th by merely turning up.

He covered more ground than anyone on the pitch on saturday...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 12, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Brunt has good stamina but we still lack pace and dynamism especially in the midfield. I don't think Brunt is a dynamic player at all - he rarely plays a one-two or surges into space to pick up the return pass.

He had a surge vs Gateshead. I saw it with my own eyes!!

Brunty is the only midfield player with the ability to play a defence splitting pass and create a chance. Since Gera left everyone else plays sideways.

Yes he is slow but he still has a creative magical left foot. Until we have wingers who can use pace and skill and turn defences I can understand why brunt is in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
i am not a brunt fan (At the moment) I acknowledge and appreciate his contribution over the years.
I can't argue the stats for km covered / passes made etc, etc,

I really struggle with his demeanour / body language and understanding what his role in the team is, however I do take on board that Professionals who know a damn sight more than me seem to keep giving him a starting place, so for the forseeable i shall keep my opinions to my self.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 12, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
He covered more ground than anyone on the pitch on saturday...
It's a bit of a limited stat that really. It's almost always midfield players who cover the most ground as defenders hold their positions a lot more and central strikers don't get up and down the pitch as much...if at all. Brunt is clearly a stayer not a sprinter - it depends what you are looking for in that position whether that's a good thing or not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on January 12, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Captain for most of our longest stay in the top division since the 70s.  Must be rubbish.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
Captain for most of our longest stay in the top division since the 70s.  Must be rubbish.  ;)

frigg it, I can taste blood, i just bit me tongue
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on January 12, 2015, 08:19:39 PM
Hes a steady player certainly not rubbish but nothing special either. he has been a great servant to the club whose better days have gone. just looks a bit of the pace at times and his dead ball skills seems to have abandoned him. needs replacing imo at the end of the season. we have to move forward as a club and our midfield has too many of the same ilk.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on January 12, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
It's a bit of a limited stat that really. It's almost always midfield players who cover the most ground as defenders hold their positions a lot more and central strikers don't get up and down the pitch as much...if at all. Brunt is clearly a stayer not a sprinter - it depends what you are looking for in that position whether that's a good thing or not.

The fact he covered more ground than various other players in his position flies in the face of this he doesn't get around much. What does it say about everyone else if that was the case?

I suspect the reason Brunt stays in the team regardless of coach is because actually he carries out gameplans very well and has the whole positional game down better than anyone else in the team. That we've had varying styles and each one has found Brunt to be key to their 11 says so much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on January 12, 2015, 09:43:54 PM
I am not his biggest fan, which is why I was perturbed when he signed a 3 year contract in August . I would have let him go but what do we fans know
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2015, 09:46:58 PM
Love him, long may he continue to annoy the fanbase  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 12, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
he must be the greatest player ever in training,cant see him starting many more under pulis especially with all his old pals in the ex coaching staff gone too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on January 13, 2015, 12:12:01 AM
He covered more ground than anyone on the pitch on saturday...
He often does, in fact last year I think he made the most ground in comparison to our entire team, which is why I'm not having a go at his work ethic. I just don't think his stamina is up to him running around so much, it may sound odd but I'd prefer him to be able to be less involved if it means he can do other things better (attacking)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies54 on January 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM
He had a surge vs Gateshead. I saw it with my own eyes!!

Brunty is the only midfield player with the ability to play a defence splitting pass and create a chance. Since Gera left everyone else plays sideways.

Yes he is slow but he still has a creative magical left foot. Until we have wingers who can use pace and skill and turn defences I can understand why brunt is in the team.

Samaras ball to Chris Brunt in the Gateshead match showed the ability to split a defence in the proper way, as he had two options, Berahino had gone into an offside position, Samaras actually looked up and picked out Brunt's run so we do have some quality in there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 13, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
brunt splits gatesheads defence,that should guarantee him starting for the next 2 seasons at least
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
just out of interest how far could an average bloke walk on a flat surface in 95minutes??

just asking !!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on January 13, 2015, 12:15:42 PM
just out of interest how far could an average bloke walk on a flat surface in 95minutes??

just asking !!

I walk a mile from my train to work, pretty flat I'd say. Takes 15 minutes and that's with people traffic. So I'd say 7 miles give or take.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
Ok and how many km's covered in Hull game??

I know its sprints and all that, but i think we can all agree CB's sprints are not gioing to break any records , so the km's covered stat is irrelevant really, 5hit, i siad i wouldn't comment on this again, duh!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 19, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
absolute rubbish tonight his passing nearly cost us on at least 3 occasions when we were in rare possession in there half,its like playing with 10 men,gardener now takes the corners so what does he give us ,hopefully tp will see this
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 19, 2015, 10:46:33 PM
Played well before he was moved in to the centre.

Ran himself in to the ground.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 19, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
Played well before he was moved in to the centre.

Ran himself in to the ground.

Give me strength Brunt was dire, dire, dire !!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2015, 10:50:12 PM
TP commented that we need pace out wide and that we need better passing to get up the pitch with the ball. None of those comments are good news for Brunt. Also noticeable that he's been dropped from taking the corners and set pieces for Gardner. I've slatted him for a while. Paradoxically tonight was one of his better games but he was still one of our worse players. Screened the back four and worked hard but as usual he gave the ball away more than most. Pulis won't play him in the middle so if we bring in a couple of paced wide men then he's heading to the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PepeMel on January 19, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
Not even Jacko can defend that  dire performance tonight,he gets a game because he is captain. A good servant but it's time to go
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on January 19, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
Put in a right shift tonight, well done Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie_1 on January 19, 2015, 11:03:47 PM
Great performance tonight ....keep it up
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 19, 2015, 11:07:21 PM
Great performance tonight ....keep it up
I take it your having a laugh,he was evertons 2nd best player
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 19, 2015, 11:08:01 PM
Brunt was, by and large, terrible.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on January 19, 2015, 11:10:51 PM
Brunt had a good game, Pulis would have took him off if he was poor. His work rate is superb.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Webby on January 19, 2015, 11:13:40 PM
 Did no one see him skin 2 Everton players made me laugh!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on January 19, 2015, 11:17:18 PM
I think we should rename Chris Brunt "Marmite", because there is no player that polarises opinion so much.
Personally I didn't think he had a bad game tonight, but generally he is too slow now, gives the ball away too much (not on his own there), and the "wand" of a left foot has been broken for a while.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PepeMel on January 19, 2015, 11:18:47 PM
Brunt had a good game, Pulis would have took him off if he was poor. His work rate is superb.



Don't worry when he gets his winger he will take him off alright
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 19, 2015, 11:27:38 PM
Put in a right shift tonight, well done Brunty.

Yup - covered both full backs well.

Only when moved in to the centre did he really look out of place. However, long term does't look good as we require pace down the flanks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on January 19, 2015, 11:36:58 PM
wayward passes all night did his defensive job effectively by covering the flank. illustrated his poor ball control when he couldn't control a simple throw from wisdom whom brunt them starts his usual arm waving (blaming someone else) he's not good enough if we want to move forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rubyruby on January 19, 2015, 11:44:59 PM
Brunt was, by and large, terrible.

Shouldn't that be excellent? Executed the coach's game plan to the letter. Will be remembered as a great club man. Hopefully he'll see out his career as a baggie and become a remembered player and club servant.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2015, 12:19:11 AM
How did Baines get on tonight lads?? That'll be what Chris Brunt did...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on January 20, 2015, 12:37:02 AM
I cannot believe what i am reading on here from some of you, brunt was absolutely shocking when we get some decent players in he won't be anywhere near the starting eleven,rubbish time to go!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2015, 01:00:17 AM
I cannot believe what i am reading on here from some of you, brunt was absolutely shocking when we get some decent players in he won't be anywhere near the starting eleven,rubbish time to go!!!

You mean better players like Scott Sinclair and Silvestre Varela, yeah I would imagine he's very worried...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 20, 2015, 01:14:20 AM
How did Baines get on tonight lads?? That'll be what Chris Brunt did...

Baines had so much space first half it was unbelievable. Combination of Wisdom and Brunt had no control over that side at all.

I thought Brunt worked hard tonight and at times things didn't go for him but in the centre he looked totally lost
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 20, 2015, 01:21:59 AM
You mean better players like Scott Sinclair and Silvestre Varela, yeah I would imagine he's very worried...

Sinclair I can see your point but Varela is ten times the player of Brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 20, 2015, 01:24:08 AM
Shouldn't that be excellent? Executed the coach's game plan to the letter. Will be remembered as a great club man. Hopefully he'll see out his career as a baggie and become a remembered player and club servant.


I don't think so.  They had the run of the flank in the first half but glad that Everton didn't score from it.  He put a shift in don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking his effort but he just doesn't seem to have it anymore.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on January 20, 2015, 05:44:20 AM
Not even Jacko can defend that  dire performance tonight,he gets a game because he is captain. A good servant but it's time to go
To say Brunt only gets a game because he is captain is ridiculous! Is that a sarcastic remark because I can't imagine anyone honestly thinks TP says to himself "I really wish Brunt wasn't captain because I hate having to start him every week." I find myself avoiding this thread more and more because it seems no matter how good or bad he plays in any specific game the anti-Brunt brigade is going to criticize him. When I started reading comments after matches where the only complaint was how he raises or waves his arms I think it's safe to say there isn't much Brunt could do to win them over.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on January 20, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
Brunt's distribution was sloppy at times and could have cost us, but he was far from alone in this aspect.
Too many times moves broke down before they had really gotten going.
Solid team contribution from Brunt, again far from alone though as the whole team dug in for the point.
Nobody hid, they kept going. However, I would be looking for increased levels of confidence and composure in our coming games following a solid defensive display.
This should be the catalyst for progressive, controlled and improved performances.
COYB.
 8).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2015, 08:24:43 AM
Thought Brunt was the poorest out the team last night, and im a fan of Brunt before anyone says anything.

On his day his distrubition is top drawer. Just thought he was found out of position a couple of times yesterday and gave the ball away too cheaply to invite pressure on us.

When Sess and Dorrans came on, they offered us more of an outlet on the wings, with Sess winning us numerous valuable free kicks to ease pressure.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on January 20, 2015, 09:59:12 AM
You mean better players like Scott Sinclair and Silvestre Varela, yeah I would imagine he's very worried...
if you read my post properly you will see i didn't name anyone i said better players and never mentioned Sinclair or varela
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
Brunt worked hard but isn't quick enough to play the role he was asked to last night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 20, 2015, 10:18:24 AM
Brunt was awful last night. He constantly gave the ball away which put us under unnecessary pressure all game. Thank God for Claudio Yacob who was tremendous.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
Brunt was awful last night. He constantly gave the ball away which put us under unnecessary pressure all game. Thank God for Claudio Yacob who was tremendous.


totally agree, giving the ball away all the time. i was seething at the telly
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 10:24:38 AM
His distribution was poor throughout. He may have done a 'job' on the fullbacks but when you set up like that the passing going forward has to count. As for these amazing balls he can play and defence splitters there was nothing of the sort.

Wayward passing all night and nearly put us in trouble on a number of occasion. Wasn't the only one though, seemed Gmac was intent on giving it away too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: joeymayo on January 20, 2015, 10:32:07 AM
Misplaced passes, no defence splitting balls, no distribution - he must have been diabolical.


Ooops we actually gained an extra point - no big deal you will say - but in the context of the match he has probably done exactly what was expected of him by the head coach a good percentage of people wanted.

You can say what will about our 'Marmite' captain but 6 head coaches can't be wrong but unqualified morons from the stands obviously can, JP can't wait to get your CV's in the post.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 10:37:08 AM
Misplaced passes, no defence splitting balls, no distribution - he must have been diabolical.


Ooops we actually gained an extra point - no big deal you will say - but in the context of the match he has probably done exactly what was expected of him by the head coach a good percentage of people wanted.

You can say what will about our 'Marmite' captain but 6 head coaches can't be wrong but unqualified morons from the stands obviously can, JP can't wait to get your CV's in the post.

 :D

Calm down with the name calling eh?

Not everyone thinks that Brunt is fantastic pal. This is a forum so contrasting views are permitted. I was making a point that despite doing his job in containing Everton, some of the basics were missing last night from his game. Like it or not he gave the ball away and his passing was poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charliemike on January 20, 2015, 10:47:59 AM
I don't know how he gets in to be honest . Yes he puts a shift in but has a footballer he brings nowt to the table neither do morrison and dorrans . they are all championship players . No pace no vision misplaced passes etc etc etc .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: joeymayo on January 20, 2015, 11:09:53 AM
:D

Calm down with the name calling eh?

Not everyone thinks that Brunt is fantastic pal. This is a forum so contrasting views are permitted. I was making a point that despite doing his job in containing Everton, some of the basics were missing last night from his game. Like it or not he gave the ball away and his passing was poor.

Not calling anyone who comments by that statement, it's just that when you go to home games and the uninitiated vent their anger - Brunt seems to be top of the list.
No he ain't Messi or Ronaldo but thank god he's not Defrietes either. We as a group are there to support.
I speak to other "supporters" who never attend games and believe me they name three target who they want out but never attend - Brunt, Morrison and Wisdom – how do they come to this conclusion, constant carping about individuals is a cancer that threatens to tear us apart.
Disease left unchecked spreads and eventually kills.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2015, 11:37:13 AM
Misplaced passes, no defence splitting balls, no distribution - he must have been diabolical.


Ooops we actually gained an extra point - no big deal you will say - but in the context of the match he has probably done exactly what was expected of him by the head coach a good percentage of people wanted.

You can say what will about our 'Marmite' captain but 6 head coaches can't be wrong but unqualified morons from the stands obviously can, JP can't wait to get your CV's in the post.

Some of our past coaches have been qualified morons. Just because they are qualified doesn't mean they know it all or get everything right. Brunt didn't play regularly under Clarke during our best ever spell at this level and Mel and Irvine hadn't got the balls to drop him. He's getting a game under TP at present but that will change once he's brought his own players in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: joeymayo on January 20, 2015, 12:28:38 PM
Some of our past coaches have been qualified morons. Just because they are qualified doesn't mean they know it all or get everything right. Brunt didn't play regularly under Clarke during our best ever spell at this level and Mel and Irvine hadn't got the balls to drop him. He's getting a game under TP at present but that will change once he's brought his own players in.

Cannot believe this post - you should get your history books out - some of those coaches have distinguished careers and are far more qualified than you and I to spot a footballer.
Your reply really does make you out to be one of the miscreants I was referring to.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2015, 12:49:02 PM
Getting slightly back to the point, I have a lot of time and respect for CB, but I cannot help but think that he is not cutting it anymore........... I don't think he should be captain as I dont see him communicating or encouraging players.... if you watched a game and did not know who the captain was then you would not pick him out. For me it has to go to Lescott - constantly talking and controlling the defence.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: brummyroader on January 20, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
Not sure Gardner was any better than Brunt last night, I like Brunty but admit he wasn't great but as Ive said I'd say him and Gardner were the weak links.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 20, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are a lot of Albion fans who simply cannot forgive Brunt for being made captain instead their beloved Jonas 'short fuse' Olsson.

If Olsson hadn't been so quick to anger and so easy to wind up, he'd have got it. He hasn't, but people won't let go and just judge Brunt on what he does.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 20, 2015, 01:21:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are a lot of Albion fans who simply cannot forgive Brunt for being made captain instead their beloved Jonas 'short fuse' Olsson.

If Olsson hadn't been so quick to anger and so easy to wind up, he'd have got it. He hasn't, but people won't let go and just judge Brunt on what he does.

Not at all, Olsson is not a Captain either, too hot-headed. Until Lescott joined we have lacked a leader on the pitch since McInne plus Olsson didn't want it either.

Most people are capable of looking beyond things like that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are a lot of Albion fans who simply cannot forgive Brunt for being made captain instead their beloved Jonas 'short fuse' Olsson.

If Olsson hadn't been so quick to anger and so easy to wind up, he'd have got it. He hasn't, but people won't let go and just judge Brunt on what he does.

just judge Brunt on what he does.

Exactly, whats your point??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on January 20, 2015, 01:36:32 PM
I don't know how he gets in to be honest . Yes he puts a shift in but has a footballer he brings nowt to the table neither do morrison and dorrans . they are all championship players . No pace no vision misplaced passes etc etc etc .

I don't entirely agree with you - they have all been "honest" players who have helped us move forward, but there is an interesting question about now:  if we tried to sell these three, how many Prem clubs would be interested?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 01:48:03 PM
I don't entirely agree with you - they have all been "honest" players who have helped us move forward, but there is an interesting question about now:  if we tried to sell these three, how many Prem clubs would be interested?

I think Burnley and Leicester would probably be about the only teams looking for them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on January 20, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
I said this last week, and I still agree that although he's done well at the club, I also think this could be his last proper season with us as he is clearly on the decline.

For his first 5 years he was in an attacking role and even though he had little pace, he did well as his delivery and passes were very good at times. For the past two years his passes have been more wayward, and I also think his pace has lessened. Combined, the two have clearly damaged him as a player, as he no longer can counter well enough/he isn't quick enough to run up the field without the ball, and his passing can't create chances either, which questions his worth.

Instead he's now been shoe-horned into a defending role, which is ok but not from a creative stance.

Similarly, James Morrison has changed as a player, and he is also more defensive. For the past 5 years he was also far more attacking and relied on his passes, now we have Sess who is far superior in that role. However, I think as he showed last night; Morrison is fairly good at his new found, more-defensive position. I'd still prefer Mulumbu but unlike Brunt I think Morrison has the stamina to go the distance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 04:20:15 PM
I think Mozza has gone backwards and may continue to, Brunty has gone further backwards and is now past his sell by date sadly, but, it comes to the very best at some stage ask Steven Gerrard
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2015, 04:37:32 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are a lot of Albion fans who simply cannot forgive Brunt for being made captain instead their beloved Jonas 'short fuse' Olsson.

If Olsson hadn't been so quick to anger and so easy to wind up, he'd have got it. He hasn't, but people won't let go and just judge Brunt on what he does.


This never entered my mind..... Olsson is not captain material either for the reasons stated. We need a leader on the pitch and I am afraid its not CB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 20, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are a lot of Albion fans who simply cannot forgive Brunt for being made captain instead their beloved Jonas 'short fuse' Olsson.

If Olsson hadn't been so quick to anger and so easy to wind up, he'd have got it. He hasn't, but people won't let go and just judge Brunt on what he does.

what are people supposed to judge him on then??????
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 21, 2015, 07:02:36 AM
Very few players are irreplaceable and none at our level, Chris Brunt included. However,  he is a loyal servant and great ambassador for the club on and off the pitch. He is clearly, amongst the squad of players we have had in the 7 or 8 years he has been with us, virtually irreplaceable in our team as the testament of 7 full time coaches has shown. How long will he remain irreplaceable? Only time and transfers will tell.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on January 21, 2015, 08:49:49 AM
Difficult to know how to solve a problem like Brunt, he can be dross in a game and then he can play a sublime ball over the top straight onto a running Baird. He'll always put 100% in, but lets look on the bright side, he's not taking all the corners and set pieces now.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on January 21, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
Difficult to know how to solve a problem like Brunt, he can be dross in a game and then he can play a sublime ball over the top straight onto a running Baird. He'll always put 100% in, but lets look on the bright side, he's not taking all the corners and set pieces now.
The solution is easy, get someone better!
I'm not his biggest fan either, but no-one has ever come in and kept him out of the side. Even when he has been injured no-one has staked a real claim to the position. Can we honestly say that anyone has been overlooked, who merited inclusion ahead of him? Varela, Blanco, Samaras? It appears not.
I've never seen him as captain material as he gives the impression of being petulant on the pitch and his head drops too easily. same problem though, whereby no-one else has really staked a claim. Not sure about the Ollssen reference, I can't remember any real clamour for him to be captain. Only candidate now would be Lescott
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on January 21, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
Difficult to know how to solve a problem like Brunt, he can be dross in a game and then he can play a sublime ball over the top straight onto a running Baird. He'll always put 100% in, but lets look on the bright side, he's not taking all the corners and set pieces now.

I think it will happen naturally to be honest. Given the service he has put into the club I am not sure he deserves the stick he gets on the pitch. As a previous post has said, he has been with us for 7 or 8 years and has helped us get promoted and stay in the top league. Once TP has his players signed I personally think that CB [and others] will find their appearances curtailed somewhat. He may become a bit more familiar with the substitutes bench, and that is no bad thing. He deserves respect for what he has done for the club though.... regardless

Time sorts everything out.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on January 24, 2015, 03:53:09 PM
I just want to point out Brunt's defensive "contribution" to Birmingham's goal on the stroke of half-time. He was standing next to their goal scorer watching him stroke the ball into the net. No effort to get goal side or track the man. That's a pretty important job when your playing central midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 24, 2015, 06:21:46 PM
I just want to point out Brunt's defensive "contribution" to Birmingham's goal on the stroke of half-time. He was standing next to their goal scorer watching him stroke the ball into the net. No effort to get goal side or track the man. That's a pretty important job when your playing central midfield.

DId he flap his arms about and try to blame somebody elselike he normally does when he's done something rubbish?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on January 24, 2015, 06:32:46 PM
Generally very poor today and couldn't even find a simple pass on many occasions allied to his normal slow, slow tempo when getting forward, YET, the one time he did commit himself he hit the post in the second half !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on January 24, 2015, 06:34:31 PM
Personally I think Brunt is not the player he was.

Id be looking to sell him in the summer
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 08:17:37 PM
he was absolutely rubbish today but he wasn't on his own,his passing in the first 20 mins was a disgrace
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:34 PM
he was absolutely rubbish today but he wasn't on his own,his passing in the first 20 mins was a disgrace
I agree but gardner was just as bad. think its a poor pairing in the cm roles.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2015, 09:03:42 PM
I agree but gardner was just as bad. think its a poor pairing in the cm roles.

Problem today was Gardner out wide and Brunt in the centre, helps neither player
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on January 24, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
Brunt was very poor today. I've never seen a professional footballer make so many mistakes with simple passes. I'm convinced the majority of us on here wouldn't make some of the mistakes he does.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on January 24, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Looked lost in the middle which isn't a new thing, Pulis said himself the team today looked unbalanced so let's hope he can sort it out ASAP as i don't fancy our chances in the prem with Brunt in the middle and Gardner outwide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 09:33:19 PM
well gardener is a c-mf and brunt is a wide m-f, clearly TP is trying to found a role for Brunt and compromising Gardener to achieve that is a big error IMO. Today will have shown TP that Brunt is not viable in the centre. Which given he's not viable out wide means he's done IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Avonbaggie on January 24, 2015, 09:49:49 PM
Brunt was poor today and last Monday against Everton. His passing and decision making is awful at times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 24, 2015, 09:57:45 PM
So who would people have chosen to play through passes from midfield instead of Brunt? You need someone to be able to play forward passes to connect with the forwards, preferably along the ground. Brunt picks some very decent passes over distance. Gardener is more a ball winner and coverer, though he has  a very decent kicking technique. Of course. not all of Brunt's passes come off, but we can't just have players in that area who play short passes sideways. Obviously, if we had someone like Darren Fletcher or Dembele to choose from, they could also play that role. Dorrans is another one who is better at chasing and covering without really being able to set forwards up into shooting positions. Yacob is almost entirely a ball winner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on January 24, 2015, 10:02:17 PM
So who would people have chosen to play through passes from midfield instead of Brunt? You need someone to be able to play forward passes to connect with the forwards, preferably along the ground. Brunt picks some very decent passes over distance. Gardener is more a ball winner and coverer, though he has  a very decent kicking technique. Of course. not all of Brunt's passes come off, but we can't just have players in that area who play short passes sideways. Obviously, if we had someone like Darren Fletcher or Dembele to choose from, they could also play that role. Dorrans is another one who is better at chasing and covering without really being able to set forwards up into shooting positions. Yacob is almost entirely a ball winner.

Indeed, however most of Brunt's forward passes are misplaced, he tends to make most of his passes sideways and backwards.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 10:09:32 PM
So who would people have chosen to play through passes from midfield instead of Brunt? You need someone to be able to play forward passes to connect with the forwards, preferably along the ground. Brunt picks some very decent passes over distance. Gardener is more a ball winner and coverer, though he has  a very decent kicking technique. Of course. not all of Brunt's passes come off, but we can't just have players in that area who play short passes sideways. Obviously, if we had someone like Darren Fletcher or Dembele to choose from, they could also play that role. Dorrans is another one who is better at chasing and covering without really being able to set forwards up into shooting positions. Yacob is almost entirely a ball winner.
we don't have anyone at the club that can attempt to pass like brunt,the problem is for the last 2 years brunts passing as got worse,to the point were in everygame it causes us more problems than its worth for the 1 in a hundred decent pass he does provide,the opposition are constantly given the ball by brunt within the first 15 mins today he gave it straight to Birmingham trying to release gardener ,perhaps if he didn't keep trying to hit wonder passes and did the simple thing more often it would help our ball retention
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 24, 2015, 10:20:33 PM
we don't have anyone at the club that can attempt to pass like brunt,the problem is for the last 2 years brunts passing as got worse,to the point were in everygame it causes us more problems than its worth for the 1 in a hundred decent pass he does provide,the opposition are constantly given the ball by brunt within the first 15 mins today he gave it straight to Birmingham trying to release gardener ,perhaps if he didn't keep trying to hit wonder passes and did the simple thing more often it would help our ball retention
So what you're really saying is more short sideways passing, which allows the opposition to get back and re-group and much more difficult to get in between them. I'm all for keeping possession like in the last 20 minutes today, when we needed to hold onto a narrow lead, but not for the main part of the match when we are trying to get at the opposition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 10:32:30 PM
So what you're really saying is more short sideways passing, which allows the opposition to get back and re-group and much more difficult to get in between them. I'm all for keeping possession like in the last 20 minutes today, when we needed to hold onto a narrow lead, but not for the main part of the match when we are trying to get at the opposition.
what im saying is that if brunt somehow keep making the starting line up,that he should keep his passes simple,as most of them gift the opposition with opportunity,and since when did we try and get at the opposition for the last few years we have let teams come on to us
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 25, 2015, 12:46:01 AM
what im saying is that if brunt somehow keep making the starting line up,that he should keep his passes simple,as most of them gift the opposition with opportunity,and since when did we try and get at the opposition for the last few years we have let teams come on to us
Wasn't that the problem under Irvine. We were passing the ball around  too much in our own half at a slow tempo, allowing the opposition loads of time to  re-group.
You need players who can hit good through passes along the ground. Not kick and rush or hoofball, but measured passes in a forward direction. Brunt may not be the greatest in his success rate, but since Gera , he is the best we have doing that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:19:11 AM
So who would people have chosen to play through passes from midfield instead of Brunt? You need someone to be able to play forward passes to connect with the forwards, preferably along the ground. Brunt picks some very decent passes over distance. Gardener is more a ball winner and coverer, though he has  a very decent kicking technique. Of course. not all of Brunt's passes come off, but we can't just have players in that area who play short passes sideways. Obviously, if we had someone like Darren Fletcher or Dembele to choose from, they could also play that role. Dorrans is another one who is better at chasing and covering without really being able to set forwards up into shooting positions. Yacob is almost entirely a ball winner.

If it is somebody currently in our squad then I would have picked central midfielder (who plays plenty of decent through balls) Graham Dorrans. I'd pick Brunt over Dorrans in a wide area but not in central midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 25, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
I just want to point out Brunt's defensive "contribution" to Birmingham's goal on the stroke of half-time. He was standing next to their goal scorer watching him stroke the ball into the net. No effort to get goal side or track the man. That's a pretty important job when your playing central midfield.

The left back scored. Not Brunt's man.

Indeed, however most of Brunt's forward passes are misplaced, he tends to make most of his passes sideways and backwards.

Quite simply not true. I counted 5 occasions yesterday where if the receiving player had done the footballing basic of 'come to the ball' the pass would have completed.

If it is somebody currently in our squad then I would have picked central midfielder (who plays plenty of decent through balls) Graham Dorrans. I'd pick Brunt over Dorrans in a wide area but not in central midfield.

Dorrans hasn't got the legs for central midfield at this level. He's been bang average at best for 5 seasons.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
He was appalling yesterday - once again caught in the headlights in a position which doesn't suit him, a position he isn't made for.

Constantly giving the ball away and I'm very surprised that he actually managed to complete 90 minutes - I suspect injuries elsewhere in the side saved his bacon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on January 25, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
The left back scored. Not Brunt's man.

Quite simply not true. I counted 5 occasions yesterday where if the receiving player had done the footballing basic of 'come to the ball' the pass would have completed.

Dorrans hasn't got the legs for central midfield at this level. He's been bang average at best for 5 seasons.

To be fair you can put Dorrans or Brunts name here
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 25, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
He was appalling yesterday - once again caught in the headlights in a position which doesn't suit him, a position he isn't made for.

Constantly giving the ball away and I'm very surprised that he actually managed to complete 90 minutes - I suspect injuries elsewhere in the side saved his bacon.

Picked in central midfield with Gardner Morrison Dorrans and Baird all in the squad. Sooner people accept he's in on merit and move on the better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 02:58:07 PM
Picked in central midfield with Gardner Morrison Dorrans and Baird all in the squad. Sooner people accept he's in on merit and move on the better.

My problem isn't Brunt being picked.

My problem is that head coaches persist with him in central midfield despite the clog of options we have in that area.

We are short on wide men and for the time being until we can get some new additions then Brunt should be utilised there.

It makes it even more ridiculous when your central midfielders then get shoved out wide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
I've always been a fan of Brunty, he has been a good player for us, a model professional, loyal and a wonderful role model for kids with his work ethic and attitude towards all aspects of the game.

However, I don't feel he is up to the style of play Pulis is employing right now and his performances have declined since Pulis arrived imo.

At 30 Brunty still has a lot to offer the game  but, with Albion, I think his days, sadly, are numbered.

He would do a great job for a team in the Championship with promotion aspirations and could make the difference between being promoted or not for some team. So, perhaps we should hold on to him just in case.

As I said, it is sad to see a player who has been highly regarded by the majority of fans slipping into decline and taking uncalled for abuse at times from some quarters, however I believe his best playing days are behind him at PL level,it happens to all professionals no matter who they are.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 03:58:25 PM
Brunt's passing accuracy has slipped and he gives possession away more than others in the midfield,  the stats back this up. They also say he has most assists and has created more chances than any other Albion player this season.
Swings and roundabouts.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 04:09:47 PM
Brunt's passing accuracy has slipped and he gives possession away more than others in the midfield,  the stats back this up. They also say he has most assists and has created more chances than any other Albion player this season.
Swings and roundabouts.

Lets see how many assists he contributes now he doesn't seem to be taking every set-piece as he has done for the past few years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
Lets see how many assists he contributes now he doesn't seem to be taking every set-piece as he has done for the past few years.
Still more than anyone else this season so far.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 04:45:17 PM
Still more than anyone else this season so far.

Well it will be seeing as he's only just stopped taking all the set-pieces
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 25, 2015, 04:46:49 PM
My problem isn't Brunt being picked.

My problem is that head coaches persist with him in central midfield despite the clog of options we have in that area.

We are short on wide men and for the time being until we can get some new additions then Brunt should be utilised there.

It makes it even more ridiculous when your central midfielders then get shoved out wide.



I think your spot on mate, i cannot see why Brunt is continually played in the centre when we have two footed central midfielders in the squad, its quite embarrassing at  times watching him try to get his left foot on a ball positioned to his right.
I have been a fan of him in the past but only out wide and as you have said , i feel he can still do a job until we get a better option.
Personally i think we still should be playing Dorrans in there, when he plays there he offers much more thN any of the usual suspect.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 25, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Brunt's passing accuracy has slipped and he gives possession away more than others in the midfield,  the stats back this up. They also say he has most assists and has created more chances than any other Albion player this season.
Swings and roundabouts.

Statistics are tricky. I believe part of Brunty's problem is that we are so static, slow and immobile as a team. He simply doesn't have runners in front of him to hit with through balls or passes to the feet. If Saido or Anichebe are marked then that's it, he has to turn about.

The second problem is that since we are slow and immobile we play compact and start our play from low. This further compounds the problem with Brunt getting involved in the offensive game as we don't have an offensive game really, part of the problem is that Brunty is too far away from the danger areas and as he is slow it takes time for him to get there. In that time the opponents have regrouped and picked up our offensive player up top.

Brunty needs to play with mobile, fast players (and not only one) whose movement creates openings and targets for him to hit with his passes. When those options are non-existent, how can we expect Brunty to shine? It becomes a case of trying to use Brunt's weaknesses (lack of speed and poor timing in his tackles) into some kind of strenghts, which won't really work (square peg problem). 

Edit: In other words, trying to play Brunty in a midfield of Gardner, Morrison, Dorrans, Yacob, Mulumbu with Anichebe on top is just painful to watch. This set up is utterly one dimensional and one paced and nothing anyone does will change that fact. We need players with more dimensions if we want to unlock the creative aspect.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
Statistics are tricky. I believe part of Brunty's problem is that we are so static, slow and immobile as a team. He simply doesn't have runners in front of him to hit with through balls or passes to the feet. If Saido or Anichebe are marked then that's it, he has to turn about.

The second problem is that since we are slow and immobile we play compact and start our play from low. This further compounds the problem with Brunt getting involved in the offensive game as we don't have an offensive game really, part of the problem is that Brunty is too far away from the danger areas and as he is slow it takes time for him to get there. In that time the opponents have regrouped and picked up our offensive player up top.

Brunty needs to play with mobile, fast players (and not only one) whose movement creates openings and targets for him to hit with his passes. When those options are non-existent, how can we expect Brunty to shine? It becomes a case of trying to use Brunt's weaknesses (lack of speed and poor timing in his tackles) into some kind of strenghts, which won't really work (square peg problem).
I have said for a long time our focus needs to be further up the pitch. Our (essentially the same) midfield created enough chances when we finished 8th in the table. Older and wiser  ;)
Back to stats, Brunt is 15th in the Premier League table for assists this season.  Perhaps he should take more set pieces.  :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 05:05:20 PM
I have said for a long time our focus needs to be further up the pitch. Our (essentially the same) midfield created enough chances when we finished 8th in the table. Older and wiser  ;)
Back to stats, Brunt is 15th in the Premier League table for assists this season.  Perhaps he should take more set pieces.  :-X

How many from outfield play ?

Highlights a lack of creativity in our midfield, something we have been crying out for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 25, 2015, 05:06:09 PM
I have said for a long time our focus needs to be further up the pitch. Our (essentially the same) midfield created enough chances when we finished 8th in the table. Older and wiser  ;)
Back to stats, Brunt is 15th in the Premier League table for assists this season.  Perhaps he should take more set pieces.  :-X

I agree. But let's face it, it will not happen with the current squad as they are not mobile enough to play further up the field. And... they know it, which is why they froze out Pepe Mel. So now they have Tony Pulis to either kick them into gear or kick their asses out. Tough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:08:03 PM
How many from outfield play ?

Highlights a lack of creativity in our midfield, something we have been crying out for.
Have I missed where they changed the rules that goals from open play count double?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
Have I missed where they changed the rules that goals from open play count double?

I didn't say they did so not sure why the need for sarcasm.

I asked a question thats all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
I would have Morrison or Dorrans over Brunt in CM. It's false to say that Brunt is the only one who can play a forward pass as both these have played many including this year. Morrison and Dorrans are also better than Brunt at taking the ball forward and playing short passes and moving for the return ball , which is needed when Yacob is anchoring things.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
I would have Morrison or Dorrans over Brunt in CM. It's false to say that Brunt is the only one who can play a forward pass as both these have played many including this year. Morrison and Dorrans are also better than Brunt at taking the ball forward and playing short passes and moving for the return ball , which is needed when Yacob is anchoring things.
It is true, both are capable but just less productive. All could no doubt be improved upon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on January 25, 2015, 05:24:52 PM
I think that the whole reason that this debate goes on and on and on is the fact that OUR WHOLE MIDFIELD IS BLOODY USELESS. If we had anybody half decent in our squad then Brunt wouldn't get close to getting picked, nor would Dorrans,Morrison and Gardner. At the moment it seems that the players selected to start are the 'best of a bad bunch'. If nothing else, the last few weeks have highlighted just how woeful our squad is on the whole. No wonder TP has been forced to play in what the majority  believe is a very negative,dour way. With players such as Brunt at his disposal, I don't know what else TP can actually do. There is NO creativity in the squad whatsoever.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on January 25, 2015, 05:43:40 PM
I think that the whole reason that this debate goes on and on and on is the fact that OUR WHOLE MIDFIELD IS BLOODY USELESS. If we had anybody half decent in our squad then Brunt wouldn't get close to getting picked, nor would Dorrans,Morrison and Gardner. At the moment it seems that the players selected to start are the 'best of a bad bunch'. If nothing else, the last few weeks have highlighted just how woeful our squad is on the whole. No wonder TP has been forced to play in what the majority  believe is a very negative,dour way. With players such as Brunt at his disposal, I don't know what else TP can actually do. There is NO creativity in the squad whatsoever.
hit the nail on the head 100%.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 06:16:40 PM
I think that the whole reason that this debate goes on and on and on is the fact that OUR WHOLE MIDFIELD IS BLOODY USELESS. If we had anybody half decent in our squad then Brunt wouldn't get close to getting picked, nor would Dorrans,Morrison and Gardner. At the moment it seems that the players selected to start are the 'best of a bad bunch'. If nothing else, the last few weeks have highlighted just how woeful our squad is on the whole. No wonder TP has been forced to play in what the majority  believe is a very negative,dour way. With players such as Brunt at his disposal, I don't know what else TP can actually do. There is NO creativity in the squad whatsoever.
Our whole midfield is made up of internationals who have played consistently in what is recognised as one of the top leagues in the world. Bloody useless the lot of 'em.  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on January 25, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
Our whole midfield is made up of internationals who have played consistently in what is recognised as one of the top leagues in the world. Bloody useless the lot of 'em.  :o

Yes, IN MY OPINION they are bloody useless. They are championship players, simple as that. I've watched Brunt play for Northern Ireland home and away and even the NI fans think he is a useless waste of space too. Dorrans and Morrison  playing for Scotland says more about the lack of players available to these nations than anything else. They ARE NOT quick enough, they ARE NOT creative enough and ARE NOT strong enough. They offer us nothing. They got us out of a rubbish division a few years ago,that was it, they have not improved one iota.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 06:29:37 PM
Our whole midfield is made up of internationals who have played consistently in what is recognised as one of the top leagues in the world. Bloody useless the lot of 'em.  :o

I always find the 'internationals' a misleading argument to be honest.

It's OK clamoring over them being internationals but its a small point in my view when the countries they represent produce normally such a poor turnover of players. Had they been regular internationals for a country like France, England etc then I would take note of the international point more.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 06:36:51 PM
Playing consistently at the highest level of competition achievable, getting paid thousands of pounds a week for doing so, getting watched regularly by millions of people and useless. Blooming clever if you ask me!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 25, 2015, 07:19:35 PM
I think it is a fact that all of them were better under DiMatteo than they are now (Mulumbu especially learnt a lot under RdM). After RdM it has been all about teaching them how to "defend" which means coaching their attacking instincts out of them. So now we have lumps with no attacking instinct.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
I think it is a fact that all of them were better under DiMatteo than they are now (Mulumbu especially learnt a lot under RdM). After RdM it has been all about teaching them how to "defend" which means coaching their attacking instincts out of them. So now we have lumps with no attacking instinct.

You have a point but that was four or five years ago.

They are simply getting old and are reaching a stage in their careers and most importantly our progression where they are no longer good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2015, 07:28:22 PM
I have said for a long time our focus needs to be further up the pitch. Our (essentially the same) midfield created enough chances when we finished 8th in the table. Older and wiser  ;)
Back to stats, Brunt is 15th in the Premier League table for assists this season.  Perhaps he should take more set pieces.  :-X

Our midfield in the first half of that season was very different to what we are regularly putting out now. Generally it was Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison central with Odemwingie and Gera in wide areas. Brunt and Dorrans weren't getting much of a look in back then. Our form dipped badly went Odemwingie went AWOL and Gera got injured. Since then we've been awful. I do agree we need to focus further up the pitch but we will have to bring in a striker who can create his own chances as our midfield isn't good enough to supply them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 07:44:34 PM
Our midfield in the first half of that season was very different to what we are regularly putting out now. Generally it was Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison central with Odemwingie and Gera in wide areas. Brunt and Dorrans weren't getting much of a look in back then. Our form dipped badly went Odemwingie went AWOL and Gera got injured. Since then we've been awful. I do agree we need to focus further up the pitch but we will have to bring in a striker who can create his own chances as our midfield isn't good enough to supply them.
Yacob 29 starts + 1, Morrison 33 + 2, Brunt 23 + 8, Dorrans 21 + 5, Mulumbu 28, Gera 14 +2. Essentially not changed. Difference? Long, Lukaku,  Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
Our midfield in the first half of that season was very different to what we are regularly putting out now. Generally it was Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison central with Odemwingie and Gera in wide areas. Brunt and Dorrans weren't getting much of a look in back then. Our form dipped badly went Odemwingie went AWOL and Gera got injured. Since then we've been awful. I do agree we need to focus further up the pitch but we will have to bring in a striker who can create his own chances as our midfield isn't good enough to supply them.

It was a side that when they counter attacked they did it very well but also played some good stuff at home.

If we had replaced Odemwingie, Gera and Lukaku (very difficult) adequately then I would wager that Brunt and Dorrans would be playing second fiddle again. I know Sessegnon was deemed as a like for like replacement but in terms of goals and assists he's not the most productive. The same goes for Chris Brunt, James Morrison and Graham Dorrans too. It just goes to show how poor our recruitment has been and how we've turned a blind eye to evolving this squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tipton Baggie on January 25, 2015, 08:10:42 PM
Needs to be dropped. Couldnt pass water and looks off the pace
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 25, 2015, 08:30:36 PM
It was a side that when they counter attacked they did it very well but also played some good stuff at home.

If we had replaced Odemwingie, Gera and Lukaku (very difficult) adequately then I would wager that Brunt and Dorrans would be playing second fiddle again. I know Sessegnon was deemed as a like for like replacement but in terms of goals and assists he's not the most productive. The same goes for Chris Brunt, James Morrison and Graham Dorrans too. It just goes to show how poor our recruitment has been and how we've turned a blind eye to evolving this squad.
Theivy , varela, Diouf (stoke)
sess, blanco, michu (loan)/saido
lennon , salah , bamford/anichebe
Biabany , miyachi (loan arsenal ), kalou

There are plenty of options and not too expensive , i know that blanco , varela and thievy have now moved on but the others are (or could be ) accesible?, id quite like a sess/lennon/kalou/michu front 4 ..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on January 25, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
. Hallelujah spot on!! Fking rubbish

They have been good enough to keep us in this division after we went up. We just need to improve on them, which will be a very dicey long shot if our signings over the last few windows are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Yes, IN MY OPINION they are bloody useless. They are championship players, simple as that. I've watched Brunt play for Northern Ireland home and away and even the NI fans think he is a useless waste of space too. Dorrans and Morrison  playing for Scotland says more about the lack of players available to these nations than anything else. They ARE NOT quick enough, they ARE NOT creative enough and ARE NOT strong enough. They offer us nothing. They got us out of a rubbish division a few years ago,that was it, they have not improved one iota.

I would say they are in a strange gap between being one of the best players in the Championship and a player fitting into a lower team in the Premier League, have been good servants for us but to progress we have to upgrade.

Players like Carson, Shorey and MAF were of the same ilk, we improved on them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 26, 2015, 08:37:19 AM
very indifferent throughout his Albion career, not good enough now
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on January 31, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Does anyone believe he's good enough?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2015, 05:12:36 PM
He needs a zimmer frame.
Much too slow physically and his brain is starting to slow down.
I think he needs to be pensioned off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on January 31, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
No worse than the rest of the midfield today except perhaps Yacob.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 31, 2015, 05:16:58 PM
He was as good as the rest of the midfield which isn't saying much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on January 31, 2015, 05:19:13 PM
Another pedestrian like performance yet again from our ‘leader'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 31, 2015, 05:59:58 PM
I have been a regular for 60 years, and a season ticket holder for over 40 years, but if he is still in the team post-transfer window, that's it for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
No better or worse than the rest.  Shackled by the inept Lescott behind him. Think there will be  a few disappointed on here. Brunt is here in the starting XI to stay.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dangerman on January 31, 2015, 07:49:32 PM
I think what frustrates me the most about Brunt is his body language.

We go a goal down his head drops. We give away a penalty his head drops.

He needs to grow a pair and give his team mates a bashing or get them going and not just drop his head.

He maybe great off the pitch etc but we haven't seen the best of brunt for a few years now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 07:51:06 PM
No better or worse than the rest.  Shackled by the inept Lescott behind him. Think there will be  a few disappointed on here. Brunt is here in the starting XI to stay.
I'm not totally convinced that's the case, given the fact Pulis is reportedly keen to bring in a second winger. I honestly think one of the main factors for him playing at the moment is because he's captain and Pulis doesn't want to change too much too soon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on January 31, 2015, 08:47:09 PM
Our midfield does noting to intimidate the opposition either in terms of aggression or footballing quality.  That's why the crowd get restless and the stadium is quiet.  Brunt and Mozza are a massive part of this.  Surely this is an unhappy marriage at present with the wingers utilised in past such as Bolasie,  Puncheon,  Etherington, Pennant by TP.  I cannot believe they'll still be at WBA come Aug 2015.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
Our midfield does noting to intimidate the opposition either in terms of aggression or footballing quality.  That's why the crowd get restless and the stadium is quiet.  Brunt and Mozza are a massive part of this.  Surely this is an unhappy marriage at present with the wingers utilised in past such as Bolasie,  Puncheon,  Etherington, Pennant by TP.  I cannot believe they'll still be at WBA come Aug 2015.

I like Brunt, but this makes the decision to get rid of Varela without at least getting someone else in first even more farcical
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 31, 2015, 09:26:51 PM
Brunt isn't an automatic starter but due to lack of other options he gets at too many games. Morrison I think is still one of the best passers of the ball we have. Be nice to see him further forward. Problem is we seem to play these 2 in a midfield with Dorrans and Gardner there all of a muchness. Don't think 442 is the best use of our squad
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2015, 09:33:41 PM
I like Brunt, but this makes the decision to get rid of Varela without at least getting someone else in first even more farcical
pulis will make mistakes but getting rid of varela was stupid, what we did see of him was more than enough to keep him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Had a look at Brunt's assists record for the last 3 years. They really aren't that special considering he's taken a lot of set pieces over this period. He may have had injuries at various stages but so have a lot of others also.
 
2012/13  3 assists
2013/14  5 assists
2014/15  4 assists 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
He has to be put "out to grass".
I thought (hoped) he may play himself into the games, but he has failed miserably.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on January 31, 2015, 11:18:07 PM
Brunt continues to contribute precisely nothing to the team. It's beyond a joke now. I've said elsewhere on this thread that I firmly believe this whole Brunt debate is only continuing because our squad is so rubbish there is just nobody else to play. I sincerely hope that the next couple of days changes this.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on February 01, 2015, 08:22:26 AM
sunday league player at best
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 01, 2015, 08:27:30 AM
This whole Brunt debate won't go away until he leaves the club.

It's not just a weekly issue, it's been going on for 3 years now. The club have had ample time to replace him but never seem to do it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on February 01, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
he keeps playing,we keep losing games on the pitch,and managers who back him keep losing there jobs,apart from this im now totally lost for words how he gets in the team
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tipton Baggie on February 08, 2015, 07:44:25 PM
Another poor performance. Completley lost his man for their 2nd how many times? Play to the whistle.
Glad the captaincy has gone off him. . Get rid in the summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 08, 2015, 07:51:14 PM
Today sums Brunt up , howler defending for 2nd  ....what the hell was he doing raising his arm and letting one of the slowest players around in Boyd get away like that ? . Then we see him grab a goal , put in a corner for Brown's goal and play fairly well at LB. I admire some of Brunt's qualities but if he is to stay in the side he needs to raise his game and keep it at a decent standard , the inconsistency has got to stop.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Another poor performance. Completley lost his man for their 2nd how many times? Play to the whistle.
Glad the captaincy has gone off him. . Get rid in the summer.
If a poor performance includes scoring one and setting up another I'd settle for some more poor performances.  He made a mistake which led to a cross coming into the box. What were the other defenders doing when marking Ings and how many mistakes did the whole team make in total?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 08, 2015, 08:03:48 PM
I think we should go 451 when Mulumbu gets back with him and Yacob and Fletcher in middle.  There's no way our team is good or mobile enough to have just 4 in midfield against anyone.  All teams do is smother and play through an immobile midfield and we're left chasing the game early on.  Sess and Mcman should be other 2.  I just don't see a role for Brunt, Dorrans or Mozza.  We need to go back to being compact and miserly IMHO. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: simonbaggie on February 08, 2015, 08:24:18 PM
If Pulis ain't going to play pocognioli I think brunt is a better option than lescott
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 08, 2015, 08:41:57 PM
I think we should go 451 when Mulumbu gets back with him and Yacob and Fletcher in middle.  There's no way our team is good or mobile enough to have just 4 in midfield against anyone.  All teams do is smother and play through an immobile midfield and we're left chasing the game early on.  Sess and Mcman should be other 2.  I just don't see a role for Brunt, Dorrans or Mozza.  We need to go back to being compact and miserly IMHO.
Agreed, though I'd play Mulumbu and Fletcher sitting slightly deeper with Mozza or Dorrans slightly advanced with more freedom to get forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 08, 2015, 08:58:32 PM
If Pulis ain't going to play pocognioli I think brunt is a better option than lescott
Certainly at home, he's fit enough to act as an extra midfielder going forward and cover the basics at the back.  Hodgson improved his defensive awareness considerably.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: adamw1109 on February 08, 2015, 11:32:15 PM
So glad the captaincy has been took off him(hopefully permanently!)
sick of seeing him every single game moaning and being stroppy, if the ball aint played directly to his feet we lose possession cause he cant be arsed to move to the ball 99% of the time... then when he does get the ball, he would rather pass it backwards or just hit and hope.

fair enough he makes the odd decent cross or pass every now and then, but way too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 08:05:15 AM
The hatred of Brunt especially on other social media is Vile.I will admit i have never been a fan but its sickening sometimes what i read about him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 09, 2015, 12:56:17 PM
I am getting sick and tired of people laying into Brunt for anything and everything. The whole team was pooh yesterday, and yet he scored one and made another and he gets more abuse he doesn't deserve.

He should not have been replaced as captain, not in the middle of the season and not by somebody who had been in the door less than a week. And if you notice, he might be moaning, but he's he one going up to the players encouraging them, he's the one talking to referee about things.

Some people have no appreciation of the job he does (or has done), and we will be a poorer team when he leaves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 09, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
I am getting sick and tired of people laying into Brunt for anything and everything. The whole team was pooh yesterday, and yet he scored one and made another and he gets more abuse he doesn't deserve.

He should not have been replaced as captain, not in the middle of the season and not by somebody who had been in the door less than a week. And if you notice, he might be moaning, but he's he one going up to the players encouraging them, he's the one talking to referee about things.

Some people have no appreciation of the job he does (or has done), and we will be a poorer team when he leaves.
I agree.  It would take a PhD in psychology/anthropology to work out why some players get such a level of dislike whatever they do, whereas others have the sun shining out of their arses whatever they do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 09, 2015, 03:51:06 PM
Had a look at Brunt's assists record for the last 3 years. They really aren't that special considering he's taken a lot of set pieces over this period.
Obviously any assists he got for corners over much of that time would depend on the first defender heading the corner into his own net!  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Chris Brunt has been selected in WhoScored.com Premier League team of the weekend. Brunty's goal and assist in yesterday's 2-2 draw at Turf Moor earned him the second-highest rating among all players in the top flight ‪#‎wba‬

Statistics! Statistics! Statistics!  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 09, 2015, 04:46:56 PM
I am getting sick and tired of people laying into Brunt for anything and everything. The whole team was pooh yesterday, and yet he scored one and made another and he gets more abuse he doesn't deserve.

He should not have been replaced as captain, not in the middle of the season and not by somebody who had been in the door less than a week. And if you notice, he might be moaning, but he's he one going up to the players encouraging them, he's the one talking to referee about things.

Some people have no appreciation of the job he does (or has done), and we will be a poorer team when he leaves.

Have a look at how many games we've won over the last 3 seasons without him in the starting 11. You'd be very surprised. We've beaten Liverpool, United, Chelsea and even the 5-1 thrashing of the dingles to name but a few. I actually think we'll be much better once he and a few of the other 'old guard' have gone. Removing the captaincy is the first step. The same happened with Carson mid season due to his poor form. He was sold at the end of that season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
Chris Brunt has been selected in WhoScored.com Premier League team of the weekend. Brunty's goal and assist in yesterday's 2-2 draw at Turf Moor earned him the second-highest rating among all players in the top flight ‪#‎wba‬

Statistics! Statistics! Statistics!  ;)

Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on February 09, 2015, 06:15:44 PM
Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.

That to me sums up our current plight.

I've always been a supporter of Brunt but, unfortunately, I consider his time is up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 09, 2015, 06:19:22 PM
Chris Brunt has been selected in WhoScored.com Premier League team of the weekend. Brunty's goal and assist in yesterday's 2-2 draw at Turf Moor earned him the second-highest rating among all players in the top flight ‪#‎wba‬

Statistics! Statistics! Statistics!  ;)
speaking of statistics, He's now officially the second highest goal scorer of the Premier League era with 20 (finally surpassing long who's on 19) and has now reached his fifth assist this season and is only two short of 40 assists in the PL.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 09, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.

Difference is Dorrans played well that day overall, Brunt yesterday did not.

He is our best LEFT-SIDED midfielder but in a central role he just does not cut it. Second half he was much better yesterday at left back.

I don't make a habit of reviving posters old posts but whilst checking the "major spunkage" noticed this one of yours and it seems you are correct

Expect any of our players or anyone's who scores and makes 2 assists to be in that websites team of the week. Incidentally they were Dorrans first assists for over a year.

So I guess scoring and supplying the corner for the other would also fall into the same category for that website ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 07:01:41 PM
Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.

Brunt has been an excellent servant to WBA since he signed for us, I've never been happy with him as captain & do feel that we may see a better player now he doesn't have that pressure, if Tiny P decides to go with 3 centre-halves I think CB would be perfect as a left wing back. (not sure I agree with the best attacking midfielder though--Sess/Mozza/Gera) 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 09, 2015, 07:21:05 PM
He's too slow and immobile to play wing back. The way Boyd ran past him for the second Burnley goal was a classic example. What was shocking was how knackered and exhausted he appeared in the first half, literally gasping for air at every close-up.

I think he'd do a decent job at left back. Not bad in the air and plays better facing up the pitch. Plus it gives us someone at the back who is comfortable on the ball. Can't see any other effective role for him in the team. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 09, 2015, 07:22:44 PM
Agree - I don't think he's dynamic enough to play wing back, just as he's not dynamic enough to play box to box CM.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 07:44:56 PM
He's too slow and immobile to play wing back. The way Boyd ran past him for the second Burnley goal was a classic example. What was shocking was how knackered and exhausted he appeared in the first half, literally gasping for air at every close-up.

I think he'd do a decent job at left back. Not bad in the air and plays better facing up the pitch. Plus it gives us someone at the back who is comfortable on the ball. Can't see any other effective role for him in the team.

He wasn't playing wing back when they scored their second goal, his positioning would have been totally different if he was, he had a decent second half playing there.
Can't say he looked knackered at all & played the whole game, would have thought TP might take him off if he was exhausted before half time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 09, 2015, 07:51:52 PM
Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.

Dorrans' award that week was the best player in Europe, not the Prem and as has been said, he played really well that day, Brunt very much did not. Brunt's being there is a stat fluke issue.

I'm not hating on him, but he's performances have dropped off hugely over the past 18 months.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 07:56:13 PM
Agree - I don't think he's dynamic enough to play wing back, just as he's not dynamic enough to play box to box CM.

Sorry but I totally disagree, not sure how dynamic a wing back in a Pulis side would have to be, he reads the game well, good touch on the ball, see's passes early, decent in the air, whats not to like  ;)

Not sure you'll find anyone to argue that he's a box to box centre midfielder ??   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2015, 08:02:30 PM
If he has a role (which i doubt) it would be at LB in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on February 09, 2015, 08:19:04 PM
Sorry but I totally disagree, not sure how dynamic a wing back in a Pulis side would have to be, he reads the game well, good touch on the ball, see's passes early, decent in the air, whats not to like  ;)

Not sure you'll find anyone to argue that he's a box to box centre midfielder ??

He read it well for the second goal, arm in the air appealing for a throw in and giving Boyd 5 yards start
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on February 09, 2015, 08:24:54 PM
Yet when Dorrans got a similar accolade against Burnley at home there was major spunkage on here.

Brunt is still our best attacking midfielder has been for years.

I'd argue Sessegnon and Mcmannaman are both better than him at attacking, he is probably on par with Dorrans and Morrison.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 08:29:14 PM
He read it well for the second goal, arm in the air appealing for a throw in and giving Boyd 5 yards start

So you agree he reads the game well?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 09, 2015, 08:31:05 PM
Sorry but I totally disagree, not sure how dynamic a wing back in a Pulis side would have to be, he reads the game well, good touch on the ball, see's passes early, decent in the air, whats not to like  ;)

Not sure you'll find anyone to argue that he's a box to box centre midfielder ??
Surely a wing back usually has the pace to overlap and also run at defences ? Pulis has made noises about our lack of pace in wide areas .
Re Brunt as CM - maybe I'm wrong but I see CM's as either holding players (i.e. DM) or box to box players...Brunt is neither.
You're right Brunt does have qualities but in our team he contributes to our lack of pace and movement as a team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 09, 2015, 08:50:01 PM
Surely a wing back usually has the pace to overlap and also run at defences ? Pulis has made noises about our lack of pace in wide areas .
Re Brunt as CM - maybe I'm wrong but I see CM's as either holding players (i.e. DM) or box to box players...Brunt is neither.
You're right Brunt does have qualities but in our team he contributes to our lack of pace and movement as a team.

I would normally agree with you but as I mentioned earlier a Pulis wing back may not be required to 'bomb on' but be more disciplined defensively as well as supporting the midfield & strikers, a bit like Brunt did in the second half yesterday.

Forgive me if I've missed something but I've made no reference to Brunt playing CM prior to your first post
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 09, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
A decent corner 1 in every 5.

Decent through ball 1 in every few games.

Sloppy yesterday. No pace. Didn't track back for their second goal. Heck, even the goal came off his shoulder.

If Mozza is fit, he starts ahead of Brunt in the middle imo.

Brunt should be left side of MF only, if he is to start.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on February 09, 2015, 11:40:59 PM
he should play no further part in our midfield set up,he just hasn't got the pace for the game anymore and hasn't for at least 2 seasons,,the only possible defence anyone can give brunty is that he puts in a shift,saying all this I wouldn't mind him at leftback as he has filled in that role well a  couple of times
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
he should play no further part in our midfield set up,he just hasn't got the pace for the game anymore and hasn't for at least 2 seasons,,the only possible defence anyone can give brunty is that he puts in a shift,saying all this I wouldn't mind him at leftback as he has filled in that role well a  couple of times

We lose 2 nil and drop below Burnley if he doesn't play Sunday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 10, 2015, 01:30:12 PM
We lose 2 nil and drop below Burnley if he doesn't play Sunday.

Purely hypothetical. Ings doesn't play they don't score two either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 10, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
We lose 2 nil and drop below Burnley if he doesn't play Sunday.

Sorry Jacko, am confused by what you've written.

You've written in the future tense about something that has already happened? Do you mean we would have lost 2-0 if he hadn't played?

Well the 2nd goal was fairly down to him, so that's a flaw in that logic. Plus, someone else would have been playing there instead and they would have done things. You can't really argue linear causality for such things.

In that single match he broke even for the negative element of his game. But the games in which that happens are growing fewer and fewer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Sorry Jacko, am confused by what you've written.

You've written in the future tense about something that has already happened? Do you mean we would have lost 2-0 if he hadn't played?

Well the 2nd goal was fairly down to him, so that's a flaw in that logic. Plus, someone else would have been playing there instead and they would have done things. You can't really argue linear causality for such things.

In that single match he broke even for the negative element of his game. But the games in which that happens are growing fewer and fewer.

I think it's obvious what I meant. I'm at work on my phone. Past or present tense my point stands.

Purely hypothetical. Ings doesn't play they don't score two either.

Correct Ings and Brunt don't play it's nil nil.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 10, 2015, 01:38:09 PM
I think it's obvious what I meant. I'm at work on my phone. Past or present tense my point stands.

Correct Ings and Brunt don't play it's nil nil.


Foster and Lescott don't play we lose 2-0 then or maybe Heaton and the bloke on the line don't play we win 1-0 or Brunt doesn't play we don't concede the second. Saido starts instead of Vic and we have some effort up top from the start.

Sorry mate all hypothetical scenarios.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 10, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
Sorry Jacko, am confused by what you've written.

You've written in the future tense about something that has already happened? Do you mean we would have lost 2-0 if he hadn't played?

Well the 2nd goal was fairly down to him, so that's a flaw in that logic. Plus, someone else would have been playing there instead and they would have done things. You can't really argue linear causality for such things.

In that single match he broke even for the negative element of his game. But the games in which that happens are growing fewer and fewer.

Can't believe you've forced me to side with Jacko  >:( ;D

Simply don't agree that we can just blame Brunt for the 2nd goal, lets start on the halfway line, Sess could have done more to close down the man playing the ball, Baird should have made contact with the ball whilst attempting a fairy arsed tackle, admittedly Brunt then switched off but even when the ball is crossed into the box both Lescott & Fletcher need to do far more to win the arial battle with Ings, poor, poor goal to concede, the kind of which I hope TP is going to eradicate but to single out Chris Brunt for this is at best blame culturist or at worst anti Bruntist (I appear to have made up a couple of words & I don't think you're either of them Knave  ;) )     
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2015, 04:51:41 PM
Brunt was caught ball watching for the second goal. He let Burnley in-behind which led to the danger. Yes Lescott could have done better but it was a pinpoint cross and a clever run from Ings. You can't let the opposition run past you whilst your appealing for a throw-in. Castigating him for his mistake is not Brunt bashing, it's a statement of fact. Just like I would praise him for the decent job his dead at left back second half.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 10, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
I think it's obvious what I meant. I'm at work on my phone. Past or present tense my point stands.

Correct Ings and Brunt don't play it's nil nil.

I wasn't being arsey, I honestly didn't follow what you were saying.

Again, you can't play the game off (Dave scored the goals, so if Dave didn't play they wouldn't have scored).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 10, 2015, 05:06:22 PM
Brunt was caught ball watching for the second goal. He let Burnley in-behind which led to the danger. Yes Lescott could have done better but it was a pinpoint cross and a clever run from Ings. You can't let the opposition run past you whilst your appealing for a throw-in. Castigating him for his mistake is not Brunt bashing, it's a statement of fact. Just like I would praise him for the decent job his dead at left back second half.

Two things here, firstly I have not absolved Brunt from his part in their goal & secondly where have you praised Brunt? ever? unless I missed you congratulating him on his goal & assist in helping us draw the game.

Oh & singling him out for his mistake when others were equally culpable IS Brunt bashing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on February 10, 2015, 07:15:19 PM
Brunt isn't good enough, but I'm not singling him out - the majority of our players aren't up to it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2015, 07:28:13 PM
Two things here, firstly I have not absolved Brunt from his part in their goal & secondly where have you praised Brunt? ever? unless I missed you congratulating him on his goal & assist in helping us draw the game.

Oh & singling him out for his mistake when others were equally culpable IS Brunt bashing.
Fraid he drew attention to himself by standing still with his arm raised
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
brunts probably the best passer of the ball we've got when he's facing the oppositions goal, but successive head coaches want different things from him now and imo have taken away his best asset, when he had runners like odem/lukaku who found space he used to hit them regularly with through balls. the current forwards aint the same quality though and that's why brunt plays more side and backward passes because there's little movement upfront to pick his passes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 10, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
Fraid he drew attention to himself by standing still with his arm raised

Actually, having viewed the first goal again, I think we can safely say he was at fault for that one too  :-[.

Despite the fact I've never been his biggest fan, I do think he still has something to offer WBA, it does look as though he's fast becoming the next Scott Carson, seems slightly strange that a player who scored a goal & has an assist with the other receives virtually zero credit. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Honestly think anyone would have deserved and got some stick for his role in the 2nd goal. If you just stop and raise your arm while the attack moves on behind you ....there wasn't even any prayer of an offside.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 10, 2015, 09:17:29 PM
Honestly think anyone would have deserved and got some stick for his role in the 2nd goal. If you just stop and raise your arm while the attack moves on behind you ....there wasn't even any prayer of an offside.

He wasn't appealing for offside, he thought the ball was going out of play & hadn't seen the Burnley player behind him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on February 10, 2015, 09:17:34 PM
I'm hoping that losing the responsibility of the captain's armband will have a positive effect in that he can now concentrate just upon improving his own game - what's happened to his free kick ability ?????
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
He wasn't appealing for offside, he thought the ball was going out of play & hadn't seen the Burnley player behind him
Yes two lapses of judgement. Anyway I don't want to crucify him for a mistake, it's the fact he's one of the one paced, non-dynamic midfield we have that is the main problem for me. If there's no pace in the centre of midfield you at least need it in your wide players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 10, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Yes two lapses of judgement. Anyway I don't want to crucify him for a mistake, it's the fact he's one of the one paced, non-dynamic midfield we have that is the main problem for me. If there's no pace in the centre of midfield you at least need it in your wide players.

Yes, like yourself, he made a mistake, along with many mistakes other players made, just that many seem happy to lambast him whilst other culprits get off lightly.



Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on February 12, 2015, 06:01:08 AM
See Brunt made team of the week like Dorrans did earlier in season, wonder if we will have the same fuss made over Brunt as Dorrans  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2015, 07:29:31 AM
Had a decent game for me last night, a few stray passes and wayward crosses but looked ok on the whole.
Doesn't deserve half the stick he gets IMO. Good solid pro.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on February 12, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
Had a decent game for me last night, a few stray passes and wayward crosses but looked ok on the whole.
Doesn't deserve half the stick he gets IMO. Good solid pro.

Sorry, I thought he was average at best. Two very selfish decisions to try impossible shots when a simple pass could have resulted in a scoring opportunity....and several good moves broke down when the ball reached him. I'd have Poco at left back instead.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on February 12, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
I thought Brunt did well, worth bearing in mind he has hardly played left back before so will take some getting used too.

I said a couple of seasons ago if he can get his positioning right (which will come with games) that left back could be a role for him, the game is mainly infront of him so he isnt constantly twisting, turning, sprinting, etc  and with his technique and use of the ball he could almost be like a quarter back.

I thought we played Dyer very well last night, he would clearly skin Brunt for pace (like he would many others) so we made sure Brunt was isolated and it worked.

Also one other thing, Brunt gets more stick than any other player and it can be frustrating when he throws his arms and has tantrums but he never ever hides and always wants the ball and to be involved and you cant say that about a few of our players, shows he has a lot of character.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 08:30:26 AM
Yes he ran his socks off but his distribution is awful
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2015, 09:48:34 AM
Thought Brunt did well last night, he has played at left back for Northern Ireland and I saw something a couple of days ago that he started his career there. Was very disciplined when needed and got down the line well at times, final ball let him down which was disappointing for someone who we know has got a cracking left foot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
People see what they want to see with Brunt.

His final ball let him down on two or three occasions but no more than anyone else.  His free kicks and corners were good and he played three sensational balls which split banks of Swansea players at a time.  Many who sit around me seem to ignore his evident qualities and can’t wait to dish out some abuse to him over something minor.  It’s a shame someone who has been such a good servant and who works his nuts off for the team receives such treatment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 12, 2015, 10:44:22 AM
People see what they want to see with Brunt.

His final ball let him down on two or three occasions but no more than anyone else.  His free kicks and corners were good and he played three sensational balls which split banks of Swansea players at a time.  Many who sit around me seem to ignore his evident qualities and can’t wait to dish out some abuse to him over something minor.  It’s a shame someone who has been such a good servant and who works his nuts off for the team receives such treatment.

Totally agree he got himself in to some good positions last night but his ball into the box was poor a couple of times but he got several more levels of abuse then other players doing the same or worse things.

I'm sat next to a Brunt hater and do have some good banter with him, typically highlighting the good stuff he does straight after the moans.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 11:06:43 AM
Marmite, sheff wed fans would say the same
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 12, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
Yes he ran his socks off but his distribution is awful

He did put a shift in but the commentators mentioned that Pulis was shouting at him all through the game about his distribution. Credit where it's due I don't remember him having the skinning that Dawson was getting on the other flank and I think that's down to Brunts positioning against Dyer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 11:38:41 AM
He did put a shift in but the commentators mentioned that Pulis was shouting at him all through the game about his distribution. Credit where it's due I don't remember him having the skinning that Dawson was getting on the other flank and I think that's down to Brunts positioning against Dyer.


Most likely correct, Swansea fans were saying how ineffective Dyer was
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on February 12, 2015, 12:27:01 PM
I thought Dyer was going to have Brunt on toast, after whizzing past him early on.  After that Brunt did seem to get his positioning a lot better, although a few times he did follow Dyer too far back - leaving space for their full back (Naughton?) to run into.  His efforts at the other end of the pitch were a lot more frustrating.  Overall I'd rather see Poco in that position, and I think we might on Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 12, 2015, 12:32:01 PM
Thought he had a good game there, and wouldn't mind seeing him there for the rest of the season. Couple of poor crosses but his actual passing was fine, playing three great passes down the line/into the feet of Ideye or Berahino. And his defending was fine, neither Dyer nor Routledge got much change out of him which is all you can ask for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2015, 07:03:36 PM
Brunt was playing out of his regular position having had the captaincy taken off him and was part of a back four that kept a clean sheet and Dyer out of the game. Was up and down the pitch and misplaced fewer passes than those around him and picked out three of the best defense splitting balls in the game. Yes he blazed a good chance over the bar, as did McManaman with far less criticism.  We are lucky to have a professional like him at our club .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 12, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
I've got no qualms with left back at all I hope he makes the position his own.  Brunt is not a premiership midfielder.  Last night proves how more fluid we look without him there.  You've got to stop the opposition from playing and have a midfield that can get up and down the pitch.  Some managers really baffle me as to what they see on the training ground.  An example would be Dunne playing over Ferdinand for QPR, all of a sudden they win Away!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
I've got no qualms with left back at all I hope he makes the position his own.  Brunt is not a premiership midfielder.  Last night proves how more fluid we look without him there.  You've got to stop the opposition from playing and have a midfield that can get up and down the pitch.  Some managers really baffle me as to what they see on the training ground.  An example would be Dunne playing over Ferdinand for QPR, all of a sudden they win Away!
The bloke was getting up and down the pitch from full back,  imagine what he could do from midfield. ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on February 12, 2015, 08:55:49 PM
One thing about playing at full back is that there aren't so many opportunities to pass it backwards
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 12, 2015, 08:59:28 PM
The bloke was getting up and down the pitch from full back,  imagine what he could do from midfield. ???

We've seen countless times how a midfield containing Brunt and Morrison affects us.  The amazing thing is that professional football managers couldn't see the damage.  Stick to LB Brunty and play there for N Ireland.  No reason why we can't surge up the table under Pulis.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 12, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
The bloke was getting up and down the pitch from full back,  imagine what he could do from midfield. ???
It's not just physically moving though is it ? It depends what the manager wants but things like can you beat a man with a trick or a quick burst of pace ? Can you get to the by-line ? Can you cut inside and drive at the centre of defence ? Defensive aspects also. I don't think Brunt scores well on the attacking side of it. He's not the only one by any means but his attacking threat from wide midfield is limited. 
I'm sure he'll do a decent committed job at LB if that's what's in store for the rest of the season....and take it from there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 13, 2015, 06:54:25 AM
Do you have an end product?
Brunt has scored as many and created more than Sess.  Brunt has had more time on the pitch though despite less appearances this season, but it is rare that Sess gets the criticism that Brunt does.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
Brunt's assists of course include the set pieces he takes. At Burnley both his assist and goal were from set pieces.
You pay your money and take your choice I guess. My view is that as we have little pace and attacking threat from central midfield we need some threat from the wide positions.
Sess continually occupies one or two defenders and gives them something to think about. His assists / contribution to goals have all been from open play e.g. Varela's goal at QPR and Saido's at West Ham.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
If I was a right back I know who I would rather face, and it isn't the bloke who is a box of tricks that can beat yu for fun, all you have to do with brunt nowadays is allow him to cross the ball and you guarantee yourself a goal kick or a throw in.

The chap mentioning that we lose 2-0 without Brunt on the pitch against Burnley is ridiculous. The set piece routine was worked so that there was a man free to attack the ball as TP had identified that they were weak at the back post on corners, it just happened to be that Brunt was the man given that role and he just about managed to get it in. Who is to say that if someone else was taking the corners, and the deliveries from Fletcher and Mcmanaman earlier in the game were sublime by the way, that the end result of the equaliser wouldn't have been the same.

If I remember correctly it was former Captain Fantastic who was stood with him arm up for Burnley's second goal allowing George Boyd all the time in the world to get the cross in for Ings to nod home, but no, you keep happy clapping fella.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Big Al on February 13, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
Chris has been a good servant to the club, in truth the standard of players has improved and he should no longer be first choice.
Having said that he always puts the effort in and should be supported whilst on the pitch. When he does leave I hope it is with our thanks for his service to the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 13, 2015, 12:58:30 PM
I'm sure he'll do a decent committed job at LB if that's what's in store for the rest of the season....and take it from there.
If he's a better left-back than Pocognoli then I'm a Dutchman (hint: I'm not!).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
If he's a better left-back than Pocognoli then I'm a Dutchman (hint: I'm not!).
I agree, I'm working on the evidence that for some reason Poco is out of favour.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 13, 2015, 02:52:22 PM

it just happened to be that Brunt was the man given that role and he just about managed to get it in. Who is to say that if someone else was taking the corners, and the deliveries from Fletcher and Mcmanaman earlier in the game were sublime by the way, that the end result of the equaliser wouldn't have been the same.

And if my auntie had ******** she'd be my uncle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
If I was a right back I know who I would rather face, and it isn't the bloke who is a box of tricks that can beat yu for fun, all you have to do with brunt nowadays is allow him to cross the ball and you guarantee yourself a goal kick or a throw in.

The chap mentioning that we lose 2-0 without Brunt on the pitch against Burnley is ridiculous. The set piece routine was worked so that there was a man free to attack the ball as TP had identified that they were weak at the back post on corners, it just happened to be that Brunt was the man given that role and he just about managed to get it in. Who is to say that if someone else was taking the corners, and the deliveries from Fletcher and Mcmanaman earlier in the game were sublime by the way, that the end result of the equaliser wouldn't have been the same.

If I remember correctly it was former Captain Fantastic who was stood with him arm up for Burnley's second goal allowing George Boyd all the time in the world to get the cross in for Ings to nod home, but no, you keep happy clapping fella.

Happy clapping.  Good one. Me and our last what? 6/7 managers/head coaches.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on February 13, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
Mixed feelings on Brunt. Sometimes i feel like he can be very wasteful with the ball and others he can find great passes with pinpoint accuracy. People do get on his back very quickly though, and without him we lose a dimension of our play. Remember when he was out with an injury in our first season back? Missed him like mad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on February 13, 2015, 04:03:35 PM
Brunt has some qualities and lacks others, like most of our players. The ability to pick and play a pass, defensive discipline, set-piece delivery are a few of Brunt's strengths. Speed, dribbling and being direct are not characteristics of his play.

For a while, probably when we have looked our best, we were a counter attacking team and playing in one of the advance positions, Brunt's characteristics did not suit this. I think this is why people think we have moved on from Brunt. It's not a matter of moving on from him or him not being good enough, it is a matter of playing styles.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stoxman on February 13, 2015, 07:46:16 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-chris-brunt-been-8644243?

According to TP, Brunt IS our left back. No question of Poco, Baird, Lescott or anyone else. TP wants Brunt to be our left back....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 13, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-chris-brunt-been-8644243?

According to TP, Brunt IS our left back. No question of Poco, Baird, Lescott or anyone else. TP wants Brunt to be our left back....
would think that's the end of pocos albion career then because he would want first team football surely.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2015, 08:58:48 PM
Brunt wasted at left back and yes I would think we will move Seb on at the earliest opportunity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Webby on February 13, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
What a useful summer window that was lol. Basically we have weakened the team over the last year. Interesting to see what TP does depending on the division we are in come the end of the season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on February 13, 2015, 11:37:01 PM
Didn't realise he'd been here nearly 8 years, likely to get a testimonial? Or gone before then? Like him or hate him as Pulis says he has been a great servant to our club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 13, 2015, 11:55:10 PM
Brunt wasted at left back and yes I would think we will move Seb on at the earliest opportunity.

Really don't understand Pulis's problem with Poco, when TP arrived I thought Poco would be a shoe in to start, he has qualities which Pulis promotes.  Brunt isn't a left back, completely wasted there. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wimbledon baggie on February 13, 2015, 11:59:02 PM
I'm really scratching my head with CB at left back. He is more suited to it than Lescott mind you!

Does he have the legs to get up and down and play those crosses that he is good at doing (sometimes)? I really doubt it.

What about Poco? He and TP must have had a massive fall out. The silence is deafening. TP does not even mention him, it is like he is not in the squad. Anybody got any clues on this?

I thought Poco was great early season. He must be gutted.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 14, 2015, 09:10:42 AM
Re Brunt being wasted at LB.......maybe Pulis just doesn't want him as the more attacking left sided player....Pulis seems to prefer genuine wingers with pace to take play up the pitch and able to take people on.  Granted we only have McManaman (right side) and Sess as options providing that pace and ability to take people on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 14, 2015, 03:00:57 PM
I think brunt has looked solid at left back the last 2 games. I guess he might struggle against better opposition.. The position of left back allows him to cross the ball from deep. That one cross to ideye today was delicious
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on February 14, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
He played very well today.  Can't fault him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 14, 2015, 03:36:56 PM
Today was Brunts best game in the last few years, looks natural and comfortable at left back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GrGr on February 14, 2015, 03:38:31 PM
Today was Brunts best game in the last few years, looks natural and comfortable at left back

Both Brunt and Morrison had good games today when we had a lot of mobility in the team. Both of them suffer when we play flat, immobile football.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on February 14, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
I really don't rate him anymore but today he was excellent. Still some rubbish set pieces though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: koren on February 14, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
It seems that left back role is more suited Brunt,rather than left wing.

Keep Dyer and Downing quiet last two games. :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on February 14, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
It seems that left back role is more suited Brunt,rather than left wing.

Keep Dyer and Downing quiet last two games. :o
.  Think we've found his position Like you said, kept two inform and dangerous wingers quiet
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 14, 2015, 04:33:37 PM
Not sure LB is his long term position but  Brunt played very well today , being able to see both the midfield runners and mobile forwards suits him with his range of passing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on February 14, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
Not sure LB is his long term position but Brunt played very well today , being able to see both the midfield runners and mobile forwards suits him with his range of passing.

Yes - his vision is one of his strengths.  Far better when everything is happening in front of him.  His passes out of defence could be lethal on the break
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on February 14, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Yes - his vision is one of his strengths.  Far better when everything is happening in front of him.  His passes out of defence could be lethal on the break
.  Good points made,could just be what Pulis was on about  when he said about our quality passing out of defence
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Ihsaan on February 14, 2015, 04:47:35 PM
He gets a lot more space on his left foot from left back which makes a big difference and makes him very dangerous - the cross which led to Brown's second is evidence of that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on February 14, 2015, 04:56:42 PM
Awesome today. Is he going to be the long term left back, who knows?

Keep putting in performances like this he may become a fans favourite.

Worth noting he won the ball back which led to mozza's goal,  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2015, 04:59:19 PM
Brunt was good today. No surprise though, he's a class act.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 14, 2015, 05:08:43 PM
Did very well - liked the fact all his crosses were into danger areas....none of the overhit variety.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 14, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
Yep was class today...was putting in dangerous balls and passing well out of defence.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on February 14, 2015, 05:42:46 PM
The game suited both of our 'fullbacks' today as West Ham play a 4-3-1-2 without any genuine wingers. Still, Brunt had a very good game and looked very comfortable in his new position. It's clear that Pulis likes pace on the flanks so it may well be a position he needs to get used to if he is going to get much game time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 14, 2015, 05:50:54 PM
Take him out of the midfield and we look a lot more dynamic as usual. 2 wins without him in there. No coincidence. He certainly isn't wasted at LB as he looks much more comfortable there. Pulis will bring in a pacy left sided winger in the summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 14, 2015, 06:01:57 PM
Brunt was played at left back last season under Pepe Mel towards the end as Ridgewell got injured and it forced the move.
He looked better at left back last season too, so I don't think it's a one off. He's clearly lost part of his attacking game over the past two seasons so it's a sensible move.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 14, 2015, 06:05:44 PM
Brunt was played at left back last season under Pepe Mel towards the end as Ridgewell got injured and it forced the move.
He looked better at left back last season too, so I don't think it's a one off. He's clearly lost part of his attacking game over the past two seasons so it's a sensible move.
He's played at fullback for Northern Ireland too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ian66 on February 14, 2015, 06:35:19 PM
Brunt was played at left back last season under Pepe Mel towards the end as Ridgewell got injured and it forced the move.
He looked better at left back last season too, so I don't think it's a one off. He's clearly lost part of his attacking game over the past two seasons so it's a sensible move.
Your right. The one game that I remember was when we beat West Ham 1-0 at home and he had a great game at LB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on February 14, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
Well done today Chris, one of my favourite Albion players. Never rocks the boat and always puts a shift in, top block and it was great to see the reception he got when taking corners!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 03:02:02 PM
Good performance yesterday, can't fault him.

I really don't think he's the option we should be using at full-back mind.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 15, 2015, 05:07:32 PM
That was a super performance the deliveries in the box was On point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 15, 2015, 05:25:35 PM
He might get more chance to cross from fullback. When he was left mid, he often drifted inside a bit and looked for Poco / Ridgewell (in the past) to overlap and get the cross in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2015, 09:49:04 PM
well I have been anti brunt a CMF or wide left, but he has played well at LB.
Better than Poc ??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 15, 2015, 09:57:54 PM
He looks great at left back so far, if he can keep up performing well then there's no reason why he can't play left back for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
I think Brunt is a natural left back and I can see it becoming a long term solution. He is too slow to react at times playing in a more advanced role now, what he always has had is vision and the ability to pick a pass. He has more time on the ball at left back and that obviously suits him better. Brunt's passes out of defence yesterday enabled us to build from the back, thus giving us one of the best passing, free flowing football displays at this level I can remember.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on February 15, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
I think Brunt is a natural left back and I can see it becoming a long term solution. He is too slow to react at times playing in a more advanced role now, what he always has had is vision and the ability to pick a pass. He has more time on the ball at left back and that obviously suits him better. Brunt's passes out of defence yesterday enabled us to build from the back, thus giving us one of the best passing, free flowing football displays at this level I can remember.
Absolutely right, it suits him that all the play is in front of him, and makes up for his lack of experience at left back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 16, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
Keep him there. Seems to suit him more playing there
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on March 04, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
An absolute shocker again from him last night. Constantly gave the ball away time and time again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on March 04, 2015, 01:21:36 PM
An absolute shocker again from him last night. Constantly gave the ball away time and time again.

Not great and deserves some blame but there were so many times he was stood in possession with his arms out asking for someone to pass to and had no option other than to play in to the channels.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2015, 02:00:38 PM
An absolute shocker again from him last night. Constantly gave the ball away time and time again.
Again ? Brunt's played well lately . His passing last night was rubbish but i will point out he had  nothing to work with or aim at all game . Gardner in front of him offered little support either way and IMO was woeful.
Our best chance (Dawson ) and goal came from Brunt ...without wanting to sound like TheDexy2000!  :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 04, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Apart from Fletcher and to some extent Yacob I dont think many of our boys covered themselves with glory last night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: charlebaggie on March 04, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
An absolute shocker again from him last night. Constantly gave the ball away time and time again.
.  "Shocker"is a bit harsh , the only thing that I would bemoan about him is,his crossing time and time again he constantly over hits them just wished he would look up and take his time ,or is that to simple? If he could sort that out I think he would become a very good left back . Last night they tried to target him by playing long balls up to Benteke and I think he lost one ball
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on March 04, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
I thought Brunt had a shocker last night as did 90% of the team.

He has been playing well lately though and i feel a bit sorry for him, he is the only one in the back 4 who is comfortable on the ball to pick a decent pass, so whenever we have it along the back it gets shoved over to him and Villa certainly picked up on that and closed him down meaning a lot of his balls were rushed and a bit aimless.

I think although last night his distribution was poor (and a bit saturday too) i think one of his biggest strengths is his use of the ball, but it seemed he was instructed to hit the ball into empty spaces and i think he has better quality than that and we should try and use it (just not the onus on him every time like last night!)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 04, 2015, 06:32:21 PM
an excerpt from the BBC website match report:

Craig Dawson should have done better than miss the target from seven yards after meeting Chris Brunt's perfect free-kick.
Villa did not heed the warning signs and another super delivery from Brunt yielded the equaliser in the 66th minute

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 04, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
I think Brunt has been very good at LB, much prefer him there to midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tipton Baggie on March 04, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
Cant pass water. Fletcher had to tell him to take our corner he looked up and stuck his head down. Hardly up for it. Get poco in
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
Brunt's crossing was very good against West Ham in the cup ....everything into the danger area. On Saturday there were one or two but also at least two that were totally wasted from good positions. Last night he over-hit a hell of a lot of long passes.
Surely no-one can deny that he does over-hit the ball a lot whether it's long passes, crosses or shots at goal ?? It's very frustrating when we keep hearing the 'wand of a left foot' and similar.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: collins101 on March 04, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
I think it's fair to say that Brunt wouldn't be in the starting 11 if he was right footed. I'd much rather see Poco playing back and either Sess or Mcmanaman playing ahead of Poco. For every decent ball he plays there's 7/8 poor ones before it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 04, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
His distribution might not have been so poor last night had Gardener actually shown for the ball instead of going into hiding, he did not help Brunt one iota last night, and instead Brunt was left to try speculative punts up field.  I would however stress that Gardener is no left sided midfielder, he looked uncomfortable in that position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 04, 2015, 07:51:39 PM
Chris Brunt shouldn't be at left back anyway. Sheer lunacy to have him playing there despite the relatively decent job he has done in that role.

I won't single him out last night however. The whole lot of them were a pile of rubbish.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 04, 2015, 07:53:11 PM
Chris Brunt shouldn't be at right back anyway. Sheer lunacy to have him playing there despite the relatively decent job he has done in that role.

I won't single him out last night however. The whole lot of them were a pile of rubbish.

Do you need to have L and R written in your shoes  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 04, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
Do you need to have L and R written in your shoes  :D

Oh bugger off  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
Do you need to have L and R written in your shoes  :D
Best post of a painful day :)u
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Webby on March 05, 2015, 10:12:24 AM
If you watch the game again Brunt would get the ball at left back travel a bit and NO ONE would be coming short or within 10-15 yards of him!

Can't blame poor distribution when the left winger (Gardner) is no where in sight to receive a pass and the CM's have gone walk abouts to the other side of the field. Hence he hits it long or down the line.

Basic football is having people show for it, we did not do that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
If you watch the game again Brunt would get the ball at left back travel a bit and NO ONE would be coming short or within 10-15 yards of him!

Can't blame poor distribution when the left winger (Gardner) is no where in sight to receive a pass and the CM's have gone walk abouts to the other side of the field. Hence he hits it long or down the line.

Basic football is having people show for it, we did not do that.
I see the point but how much of it is down to team tactics ? Was the plan that people would hold their positions and not venture upfield....and just rely on Brunt trying to feed the front two with long balls (the 1st half evidence was that that was the plan in my eyes)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 05, 2015, 11:52:25 AM
Chris Brunt is one of the most frustrating players we've ever had. For every moment of genius there's a couple of howlers. He has the ability and I'm a big fan of those but come on lad some consistency please!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Webby on March 05, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
Could well have been the tactic if so that's not really Brunt's fault if being advised to just pump it forward, statistically we won't win a lot of balls.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2015, 11:56:11 AM
True, it's just that the long passes were generally badly overhit so we gift the ball straight back to Villa Certainly not entirely Brunt's fault .....it's a pretty depressing limited strategy if that's what the plan was.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on March 05, 2015, 11:56:40 AM
In my opinion, since he has been relieved of the Captaincy I think his attitude has changed and he has become more careless, more cavalier and a bit, just a bit mind, not too bothered.

Of course we should take into account his change of position and role which is unfamiliar to him as well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 05, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Chris Brunt is one of the most frustrating players we've ever had. For every moment of genius there's a couple of howlers. He has the ability and I'm a big fan of those but come on lad some consistency please!

This! Some times he's brilliant, but most of the time he appears to wear lead boots.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 05, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
Cant pass water. Fletcher had to tell him to take our corner he looked up and stuck his head down. Hardly up for it. Get poco in

You get demoted at work and see if you want to take orders from your replacement.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 05, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
You get demoted at work and see if you want to take orders from your replacement.

For £50k a week i'd take orders from the bog cleaner
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 05, 2015, 07:03:11 PM
play him, BUT< fine him for every pass attempted that is over 20 yards, or send the wand for re-calibration !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stanthesetter on March 05, 2015, 07:49:15 PM
it's interesting to read how we all see the play/players differently. for what it's worth, I felt earlier in the season when CB was in midfield he was guilty of laying easy lazy balls back to defenders and not making himself available for a short pass, they then had to do what he did tue night, smash aimless balls. that said, I think there's no doubt, the players have been ordered to take NO risks, hence, if in doubt, kick it out !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiecarl on March 05, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
Chris Brunt is one of the most frustrating players we've ever had. For every moment of genius there's a couple of howlers. He has the ability and I'm a big fan of those but come on lad some consistency please!
I think it is somewhat of an embellishment to use the word genius and brunt in the context of football .
Also . how many other manager's would play brunt in front of pocognoli ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: royhan on March 09, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
Chris Brunt has been charged with using abusing or insulting words to match officials on Saturday.
Most refs turn a blind eye to player's comments but not this one. Anthony Taylor made two huge crucial mistakes. He is now trying to deflect the criticism away from himself. Brunt has until Thursday to respond.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on March 09, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chris-brunt-west-bromwich-albion-fa-cup-quarter-final-2324905.aspx

Albion midfielder has until Thursday tea-time to respond

CHRIS Brunt has been charged following The FA Cup quarter-final tie against Aston Villa on Saturday 7 March 2015.

It is alleged that in or around the tunnel area after the end of the fixture the Albion midfielder used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards a Match Official.

Brunt, who was captain on the day, has until 6pm on Thursday 12 March 2015 to respond to the charge.




Hopefully we'll see more of Sess and/or McManaman with him out. Though does this mean more Lescott at left back?  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tipton Baggie on March 09, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
Yeah but the likes of wayne rooney get away with it.

Standard s***
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 09, 2015, 05:16:19 PM
He should tell em' to 'fcuk off'! :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 09, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
This must have happened after the final whistle, if it was during the game the ref would've sent him off, probably called him a useless cnut, which he could possibly prove in a court of law.
 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 09, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
West Bromwich Albion’s Chris Brunt has been charged following The FA Cup quarter-final tie against Aston Villa on Saturday 7 March 2015.

It is alleged that in or around the tunnel area after the end of the fixture the player used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards a Match Official.

He has until 6pm on 12 March 2015 to respond to the charge


Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2015/mar/chris-brunt-charged-090315?#Er9VLr382kTSVBMX.99
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on March 09, 2015, 05:18:50 PM
What a joke.

Fairly sure you're supposed to get a booking(at least) for foul and abusive language or whatever it's called these days, Taylor clearly heard whatever it was to put into his report yet didn't book Brunt in the game. Unless it happened after obviously, but not sure how that would be the case as Taylor was pretty much sprinting off as he blew for full time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggies97 on March 09, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
Does seem a bit unfair considering what 'big' clubs get away with, but we don't know what he actually said/did yet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 09, 2015, 05:24:13 PM
Bit of a nightmare scenario if he 'goes down' for a few games as rather than play a proper full back there poor Lescot will probably be further humiliated by our Tone
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: royhan on March 09, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
Tipton Baggie is spot on. Rooney gives every ref an earful every match and you can guarantee that his comments are littered with expletives
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 09, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
What a joke.

Fairly sure you're supposed to get a booking(at least) for foul and abusive language or whatever it's called these days, Taylor clearly heard whatever it was to put into his report yet didn't book Brunt in the game. Unless it happened after obviously, but not sure how that would be the case as Taylor was pretty much sprinting off as he blew for full time.

LAW 12
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the
vicinity of the fi eld of play and the technical area.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on March 09, 2015, 05:55:58 PM
LAW 12
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the
vicinity of the fi eld of play and the technical area.

So basically anyone who swears at a ref should be sent off according to that.

One rule for us and one for everyone else again.

After the Hutton incident and the Yacob 'tackle' we should be getting an official appology let alone anything else.

Nerermind though it's only 'little old Albion' so nobody gives a sh*t.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2015, 05:56:47 PM
It will be interesting to see what he is alleged to have said. The line  seems to be that you can call an official every expletive under the sun but you had better not accuse them of bias. "You effing blind c**nt" is fine but "did you need the  Villa to win for your acca ?" is not.

Personally I think refs are way too lenient on this issue in general but it is probably too late to get that genie back in the bottle and as others have pointed out whatever the rule is it needs to apply equally to all players. It has been pretty obvious from sometime that law 12 has been wilfully disregarded otherwise it is hard imagine either John Terry or Wayne Rooney getting through a game without seeing a red card.     
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 09, 2015, 06:23:22 PM

So basically anyone who swears at a ref should be sent off according to that YES 100%

One rule for us and one for everyone else again. GREY AREA

After the Hutton incident and the Yacob 'tackle' we should be getting an official appology let alone anything else. YES

Nerermind though it's only 'little old Albion' so nobody gives a sh*t. DOES FEEL THAT WAY SOMETIMES
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gavinrussell on March 09, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
And yet the referee makes 2 of the worst decisions seen this year at gets nothing..leaving us without Yacob and Brunt...and the FA wonder why they get a bad press.!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 09, 2015, 07:36:09 PM
Pity the ref hasnt come out & apologised for messing up over the Yacob 2nd booking!
Re Brunt - dont know what went on but can assume the ref didnt advise him as captain about ending the game when he did bearing in mind the location of the tunnel in relation to Myhills goal at the Holte (opposite end) and how far the Albion players had to get to safety knowing damn well what was going to happen, perhaps giving them warning or something - possibly had something to do with it!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 09, 2015, 07:42:44 PM
If Brunt is punished for his performance then so should the ref.

This sort of stuff happens throughout any game up and down the country.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 08:09:43 PM
Absolute farce, you can clearly see players from every team verbally abuse refs every 5 minutes, why has this been picked up on?

If it's something similar to what Ince did at Blackpool a few years ago then fair enough. If Brunts just told him to F off and told him he was F ing pooh then this is a disgrace, and Id expect to the club to produce video from the game showing other players abusing him and asking why they're not on report as well?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on March 09, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Couldn't brunt blame the west brom fans? Seems to be working for the vile 😜
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2015, 09:05:06 PM
He should go up in a lot of sceptics opinion.
The kid obviously does care.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on March 09, 2015, 11:22:25 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chris-brunt-west-bromwich-albion-fa-cup-quarter-final-2324905.aspx

"Albion midfielder has until Thursday tea-time to respond

CHRIS Brunt has been charged following The FA Cup quarter-final tie against Aston Villa on Saturday 7 March 2015.

It is alleged that in or around the tunnel area after the end of the fixture the Albion midfielder used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards a Match Official.

Brunt, who was captain on the day, has until 6pm on Thursday 12 March 2015 to respond to the charge."


Quite surprised when I read this. Didn't think Brunt was the type of player to get charged. It's not been a good week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 10, 2015, 08:40:35 AM
I've been thinking about this & if true why didnt the ref have the balls to send him off then? you can be sent off after the final whistle if I remember - as well as in the tunnel I thought! maybe he bottled it & reported it instead - he bottled most things on the night did Mr A Taylor! ps saw him at Wembley in the FA Trophy final in 2012 he was useless then as well!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BRIAN on March 10, 2015, 09:01:17 AM
Maybe the ref was being kind to Brunt in not sending him off. An appeal might work.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 09:05:45 AM
With all the commotion outside the tunnel, the priority would be making sure the officials and players got back to their dressing rooms safely. More important things than standing there dishing out a card.

If a player got seriously injured how much stick would the ref get for blocking off the tunnel and showing Brunt a red? Common sense.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 10, 2015, 09:08:52 AM
With all the commotion outside the tunnel, the priority would be making sure the officials and players got back to their dressing rooms safely. More important things than standing there dishing out a card.

If a player got seriously injured how much stick would the ref get for blocking off the tunnel and showing Brunt a red? Common sense.
dont disagree - was merely pointing out/asking why he didnt issue a red card! is not in the rules to issue a red card in the changing room? instead of submitting a charge?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stokelad84 on March 10, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
I'm not sure about that. I don't think refs are allowed to go into the team dressing rooms. Captains and managers can sometimes go into the referees room after a game to discuss decisions. I would guess they would issue red cards then.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 10, 2015, 11:25:18 AM
It makes me sick to see Brunt charged by the FA for this. Its about time one of our lads had a go at the referee if he has had an inept performance like he did in the cup, he got two red cards totally wrong and neither can be appealed due to ridiculous FA disciplinary rules.

The thing that gets me about the referee though was that he put players at risk when he blew the final whistle especially as they had already been on the pitch twice. Any time there is the danger of a pitch invasion the official in my experience always makes sure the players know he's about to end the game and makes sure they are near the tunnel before blowing up so they can get off the pitch as soon as possible and he didn't do that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 10, 2015, 01:34:14 PM
I hope the powers that be take into account the toxic overall atmosphere before considering any punishment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 10, 2015, 06:52:12 PM
It makes me sick to see Brunt charged by the FA for this. Its about time one of our lads had a go at the referee if he has had an inept performance like he did in the cup, he got two red cards totally wrong and neither can be appealed due to ridiculous FA disciplinary rules.

The thing that gets me about the referee though was that he put players at risk when he blew the final whistle especially as they had already been on the pitch twice. Any time there is the danger of a pitch invasion the official in my experience always makes sure the players know he's about to end the game and makes sure they are near the tunnel before blowing up so they can get off the pitch as soon as possible and he didn't do that.
Have to say, I've never seen all the players edge towards the tunnel before the final whistle blows.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 10, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
Have to say, I've never seen all the players edge towards the tunnel before the final whistle blows.

Seen it a few times, they will get closer to that part of the pitch in the knowledge that the game is about to end so the players can make as sharp an exit as possible. Referee will signal to the players just before the final whistle to let them know its about to happen.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2015, 04:52:32 PM
Suspended for 1 game and fined £8,000
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on March 17, 2015, 04:55:25 PM
Suspended for 1 game and fined £8,000
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Suppose that would be like us on here being fined a tenner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 17, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
Suspended for 1 game and fined £8,000

could have been worse but it's a shame as he has been playing very well lately...certainly the defensive side of his game. I'm assuming it's the man city game then.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on March 17, 2015, 05:04:16 PM
Really angry about this. Can't wait to see the punishment  dished out to the Villa.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 17, 2015, 05:13:42 PM
Does that mean he misses the Man City game then?
On the plus side I'd rather him miss that game instead of the Leicester one. Hopefully Poco is started though as Lescott would be suicidal...again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cuckfield1704 on March 17, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
Tony P + Kempy clearly have had a good look at the video of the Loftus Road disaster in December, which certainly was not Poco's finest hour, and apart from the run out against Gateshead he has not played since, on his way methinks.

And there is no use being 'really angry' about Brunt's punishment.   He admitted it!
and it is a slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2015, 07:11:00 PM
Does that mean he misses the Man City game then?
On the plus side I'd rather him miss that game instead of the Leicester one. Hopefully Poco is started though as Lescott would be suicidal...again.

Agreed. This should be Pocos chance to show what he can do. If Lescott plays LB it will be a massacre.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2015, 07:17:10 PM
Agreed. This should be Pocos chance to show what he can do. If Lescott plays LB it will be a massacre.

Jesus Navas & David Silva doubled up versus Joleon Lescott, just doesn't bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cuckfield1704 on March 18, 2015, 08:46:51 AM
Have a heart,  Navas and Silva would be big problem doubled up on Paolo Maldini
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on March 18, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
Think we were clever to take this to a personal hearing - Pulis obviously likes Brunt, and didn't want him missing the Stoke game. Better he misses an away match against a team chasing second.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: royhan on March 20, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Yeah but the likes of wayne rooney get away with it.

Standard s***

It's a racing certainty that Rooney wouldn't have been reported if he said the same things as Brunt. He gets away with murder every match.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 12, 2015, 07:31:44 PM
No longer captain, but it seems that every single week this guy feels the need to go public with some mindless drivel and it is driving me to distraction. Last week it was how the QPR result was the wake up call that the lads needed and how they were all super determined to put things right against Leicester, and now it is how Anichebe is going to be our saviour. Please, someone tell him to shut up and concentrate on improving his own game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 12, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
No longer captain, but it seems that every single week this guy feels the need to go public with some mindless drivel and it is driving me to distraction. Last week it was how the QPR result was the wake up call that the lads needed and how they were all super determined to put things right against Leicester, and now it is how Anichebe is going to be our saviour. Please, someone tell him to shut up and concentrate on improving his own game.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on April 12, 2015, 07:42:30 PM
No longer captain, but it seems that every single week this guy feels the need to go public with some mindless drivel and it is driving me to distraction. Last week it was how the QPR result was the wake up call that the lads needed and how they were all super determined to put things right against Leicester, and now it is how Anichebe is going to be our saviour. Please, someone tell him to shut up and concentrate on improving his own game.
you might shut him up but no way will he improve his game, weve had and seen the best from brunt but like many of our players they are on the downward slide and dragging the club down with it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 12, 2015, 09:35:17 PM
you might shut him up but no way will he improve his game, weve had and seen the best from brunt but like many of our players they are on the downward slide and dragging the club down with it.
Fair comment, ok I'll settle for shutting him up, he's becoming an embarrassment
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ComebackStrodds on April 13, 2015, 12:55:07 PM
Aye. I like Brunty but he was horrible today, and his body language can be so annoying at times.

I'm with you on that. He' pulls some proper window licky faces at times. You could imagine him getting a sulk on as a little un.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 13, 2015, 12:58:32 PM
Brunt put in the corner that Fletcher headed in, and put in the cross that led to Gardner's goal. He dictates our attacking play, even from left back. And still all he gets is criticism about his body language and talking to the press.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ComebackStrodds on April 13, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
He's getting slower. Yes he has a good game here and there but past his best. Dead wood needs to do back to Sheffield Wednesday and take them up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on April 13, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
Brunt put in the corner that Fletcher headed in, and put in the cross that led to Gardner's goal. He dictates our attacking play, even from left back. And still all he gets is criticism about his body language and talking to the press.
I agree entirely. Ridiculous how undervalued Brunt is. There are people who desperately want the likes of Gamboa to play but would happily throw Brunt away tomorrow. I find it so strange. The amount of people who leave him out of the squad when they suggest their preferred line ups is absolutely baffling.

If I was Pulis I'd be trying to find a way to get Brunt back into midfield, whether that means having to play Baird, Poco or even Davidson at left back. Brunt was and continues to be one of our key players. Even from left back (where he has done very well in this latest stint, despite the side struggling) he is often the only player in our side who tried to get us to pass the ball and play out from the back. We need to start creating more chances and passing the ball better, something that is much more likely to happen when we use Brunt properly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ian66 on April 13, 2015, 01:21:29 PM
I agree entirely. Ridiculous how undervalued Brunt is. There are people who desperately want the likes of Gamboa to play but would happily throw Brunt away tomorrow. I find it so strange. The amount of people who leave him out of the squad when they suggest their preferred line ups is absolutely baffling.

If I was Pulis I'd be trying to find a way to get Brunt back into midfield, whether that means having to play Baird, Poco or even Davidson at left back. Brunt was and continues to be one of our key players. Even from left back (where he has done very well in this latest stint, despite the side struggling) he is often the only player in our side who tried to get us to pass the ball and play out from the back. We need to start creating more chances and passing the ball better, something that is much more likely to happen when we use Brunt properly.
I don't normally knock Brunt, but his passing along with many others was shocking on Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: A5HB on April 13, 2015, 02:14:49 PM
I don't normally knock Brunt, but his passing along with many others was shocking on Saturday.
I take your point about Saturday, although he was no worse than anyone else.

I'd still say generally his distribution is very good. It's also the type of passes he tries to play. Yacob has great passing stats, but it's all short range backwards and sideways balls. Brunt is someone who will try to play a forward pass, which few of our squad do.

When I say he helps us pass the ball, it's not just his passing, but his willingness to take the ball off of others. He's a 'brave' player in this sense. Not in the hard tacking, run through a brick wall sense, but in a willing to take responsibilty on the ball and he'll keep the ball even if he is under pressure or the team are playing poorly. He never hides and he always wants the ball, something that is obviously harder to demonstrate from full back. My biggest criticism of some of our other midfielders is that there are too many occasions where they don't seem to want the ball, which just forces us to go long. Yacob is the main culprit got this. Great at winning the ball back, but too often is happy for everyone else to have it when we do have it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on April 13, 2015, 05:26:46 PM
I quite like Brunt at left back, at this stage I think he's better suited there than the left wing. Doesn't have the pace to get past a full back as a winger, but he doesn't need to do that when over-lapping and put in a couple of dangerous crosses on Saturday as a result of that, particularly the one that resulted in Gardner's goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 14, 2015, 01:00:51 PM
I quite like Brunt at left back, at this stage I think he's better suited there than the left wing. Doesn't have the pace to get past a full back as a winger, but he doesn't need to do that when over-lapping and put in a couple of dangerous crosses on Saturday as a result of that, particularly the one that resulted in Gardner's goal.

Brunt has never had the blessing of pace; it's his technical ability dictating our attacking play that has seen him key to the team over a number of seasons.

What we used to have is pace in other areas so it didn't stick out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 14, 2015, 10:06:15 PM
Used to be decent, but good games a rarity these days. Championship player at best now, thats his level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2015, 10:07:36 PM
Used to be decent, but good games a rarity these days. Championship player at best now, thats his level.

Again responsible for both goals Saturday.  Wouldn't have any problem offloading him to a PL team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on April 14, 2015, 11:58:14 PM
Used to be decent, but good games a rarity these days. Championship player at best now, thats his level.
The same goes for a lot of our current players. It's almost consensus on here that they're lazy and passionless, however I disagree. These are the same bunch who peaked two seasons back but have also played an awful lot of football in that time and it takes its toll. I still see the same drive, but the players are sadly just not good enough any more and that's a part of football. If anything, it's the recruitment policies fault that we're still so dependent on them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2015, 01:01:30 AM
Another 2 assists... some player this lad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on April 19, 2015, 01:32:42 AM
I thought he played well today (Ed: yesterday  :-[), dogged and professional..
Under rated and taken for granted over all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 19, 2015, 08:10:33 AM
Seems we always need a bad guy at the Albion, at the moment it's brunt.

Been leading assist for each of the last 4 seasons and will likely get it this season.

Cant understand why we play him :-\????

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 19, 2015, 08:55:51 AM
Another 2 assists... some player this lad.

Jacko, as the corner taker, you know as well as me that Chris is bound to get his fair share of assists, especially in a Pulis set-piece reliant team.

Also, it's pushing the boat out to suggest Chris set up Gardner's wonderful individual strike.

Like most of our team, he needs to be moved on in the summer and new blood brought in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 19, 2015, 09:57:24 AM
Jacko, as the corner taker, you know as well as me that Chris is bound to get his fair share of assists, especially in a Pulis set-piece reliant team.

Also, it's pushing the boat out to suggest Chris set up Gardner's wonderful individual strike.

Like most of our team, he needs to be moved on in the summer and new blood brought in.
But why does he take the corners? Because he has the best delivery on the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on April 19, 2015, 10:21:58 AM
But why does he take the corners? Because he has the best delivery on the team.

Evidently.

That said, Jacko raving about Chris' set piece assist record is like me highlighting that Myhill had more clean sheets than the rest of the players in yesterday's team. Not a perfect analogy by any means, but hopefully you can grasp the point I'm making.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 19, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Evidently.

That said, Jacko raving about Chris' set piece assist record is like me highlighting that Myhill had more clean sheets than the rest of the players in yesterday's team. Not a perfect analogy by any means, but hopefully you can grasp the point I'm making.

But having leading assist s for 5 seasons, he may not play well all game every game but he makes goals.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on April 19, 2015, 10:30:33 AM
Seems we always need a bad guy at the Albion, at the moment it's brunt.

Been leading assist for each of the last 4 seasons and will likely get it this season.

Cant understand why we play him :-\????

Play him wide left and I don't have an issue!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 19, 2015, 10:39:51 AM
We''ve kept a fair few clean sheets with him a left back too though.

I think we may see a lot more of brunty at left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 11:12:09 AM
Great delivery for the first, no way you can give an assist for the second as the ball wasn't aimed anywhere for Gardner and only got to him as Vic fluffed his airshot.

Did well against tricky opponents yesterday.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2015, 01:23:11 PM
Great delivery for the first, no way you can give an assist for the second as the ball wasn't aimed anywhere for Gardner and only got to him as Vic fluffed his airshot.

Did well against tricky opponents yesterday.

Vic didn't touch it. Goes down on the stats sheet as a Brunt assist!  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
And he hasn't been taking all the setpieces. Until yesterday he'd only been taking them from the right with Gardner or Morrison taking the rest. Where are their assists? What if Olson took all the corners? Gimme a break.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 19, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
Brunt has been quality at LB. I think he is far more suited to that role than he is in a more attacking role. He doesn't have any pace, doesn't really try to beat his man, but his distribution, work rate and delivery is a valuable asset that creates chances and goals for others. I'd be happy with Brunt as a first choice LB if I'm honest, as a midfielder he wouldn't get in the team for me, he is far more suited as a defensive wide player than an attacking one. He needs a pacy player in front of him to link up with then we get a really nice blend of attributes down the left flank.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 01:32:53 PM
Vic didn't touch it. Goes down on the stats sheet as a Brunt assist!  :D

You're scraping that barrel with that one.  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
Brunt has been quality at LB. I think he is far more suited to that role than he is in a more attacking role. He doesn't have any pace, doesn't really try to beat his man, but his distribution, work rate and delivery is a valuable asset that creates chances and goals for others. I'd be happy with Brunt as a first choice LB if I'm honest, as a midfielder he wouldn't get in the team for me, he is far more suited as a defensive wide player than an attacking one. He needs a pacy player in front of him to link up with then we get a really nice blend of attributes down the left flank.

Totally agree with that. He's put some cracking crosses over from that role, just needs someone in front of him to help him out at times. Something Gardner did well yesterday
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on April 19, 2015, 01:58:47 PM
It really would not surprise me to see Brunt at left back come the start of next season and I he certainly will be the back up should we go into the market for a LB that Pulis actually likes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 19, 2015, 03:57:40 PM
I just want the cart horse to go.
He can't turn, he can't run..he is only there for the free kicks and corners.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on April 19, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
Brunt at LB is another square peg. The sooner we stop playing square pegs the more chance we have of becoming a better side. He like many others has been on the decline for a while now and I hope he is no more that a squad player come next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 19, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
Brunt at LB is another square peg. The sooner we stop playing square pegs the more chance we have of becoming a better side. He like many others has been on the decline for a while now and I hope he is no more that a squad player come next season.
Pulis LIVES for square peg full backs. I'd be surprised if we actually do buy a full back, it'll either be Brunt next year, Lescott or some other centre back pull wide...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on April 20, 2015, 09:42:15 PM
i actually think Brunt as done really well at full back since going there and apart from the odd slipup hasn't let anyone down.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on April 20, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
I have been a Chris Brunt critic, and I stick by my opinion that as a midfielder he is not good enough, however he has done well at left back, I think it would be foolish to say otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on April 21, 2015, 09:21:42 AM
Part of me would be inclined to keep him as a left back, he has the ability to play that role, and he is still chipping in with the assists.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on April 21, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
If we stick to 2 defensive midfielders, it does give him licence to roam to some extent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WSBaggie on April 21, 2015, 11:20:17 AM
Brunt playing left back is definitely better than Olsson or Lescott playing there and any other centre back Pulis may sign in the summer to play there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stokelad84 on April 22, 2015, 09:30:39 AM
Pulis LIVES for square peg full backs. I'd be surprised if we actually do buy a full back, it'll either be Brunt next year, Lescott or some other centre back pull wide...

Alan Pardew chose to play center midfielder Joe Ledley at left back too  ;) It's only fans who moan about square pegs. Professional footballers should be able to play anywhere really.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 22, 2015, 10:10:15 AM
Alan Pardew chose to play center midfielder Joe Ledley at left back too  ;) It's only fans who moan about square pegs. Professional footballers should be able to play anywhere really.
Too right! Lets give sick Vic a couple of games at left back. ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on April 22, 2015, 04:38:55 PM
Too right! Lets give sick Vic a couple of games at left back. ;)
im sure pulis would ahead of poco anyway
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Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on April 23, 2015, 06:26:33 AM
Alan Pardew chose to play center midfielder Joe Ledley at left back too  ;) It's only fans who moan about square pegs. Professional footballers should be able to play anywhere really.

Sort of Jack of all trades and master of none you mean?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 25, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
Good old Brunty. I thought he was fantastic today
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on April 25, 2015, 10:06:37 PM
I also thought he showed some leadership qualities during the game
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 25, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Brilliant today against two good players in Ibe and Llalana (sp?). Also put some decent balls into the box.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 25, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
Echo the other comments. Excellent today against difficult opposition.

I don't agree with him playing at left back but in fairness to him his positional sense is very good and no doubt Pulis appreciates that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on April 26, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
I must admit, I've been less frustrated with him playing left back than when he's on the wing, not sure why... his delivery into box has improved a bit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on April 26, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
As we play so compact, Brunty can get away with playing at left-back and has been performing well there. If we were more open and expansive where he'd be isolated and caught high up the field, his tackling abilities and lack of pace would let him down. However with the way we play, he has done well and it is nice to have a good distributor back there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 26, 2015, 12:07:59 PM
Best left back in Europe this week according to that team generator a few on here are so keen on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 26, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
Best left back in Europe this week according to that team generator a few on here are so keen on.

Can we belittle it like you did when Dorrans got selected  ;)

I think Brunt has been a revelation at left back, plays there for Ireland and has delivered better balls from that position than he has for many a while from midfield where he drifts inside to often. Also has dealt with fast tricky wingers for two weeks running now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on April 26, 2015, 12:32:48 PM
I've been a critic of his in the past. Mainly for his appalling body language, but can't really fault his left back performances.  Has done very well there and has still produced numerous killer crosses.  Moving him to left back and handing over the captaincy has definitely helped him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on April 26, 2015, 01:01:49 PM
Thought he played well yesterday, composed and did not jump into challenges through sheer panic.
Stood his ground well and didn't just blast it wildly when clearing.

Big pat on the back to a stoic club man.
Well done Chris Brunt and thank you.
 8).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2015, 03:22:06 PM
Personally I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the left back option for next season if this allowed us to buy a better quality player in another position 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on April 26, 2015, 03:39:13 PM
Personally I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the left back option for next season if this allowed us to buy a better quality player in another position

Agreed, but a lot depends on who plays in front of him out wide left
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on April 26, 2015, 08:21:17 PM
Not being captain seems to have helped him stick to his knitting.  Hodgson coached him into defending properly, standing off and jockeying most of the time, but closing down quickly when necessary.

And he has a wand of a left foot  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on April 26, 2015, 10:47:40 PM
I must admit, I've been less frustrated with him playing left back than when he's on the wing, not sure why... his delivery into box has improved a bit.

Every season, I seem to spend 60% of the time decrying Brunt, then the last 10 matches or so every season he starts to put in worthwhile performances, I don't forgive him but at least that is better than Anichebe
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mat15(MH) on April 27, 2015, 01:23:05 AM
I guess another way of putting it is that he raises his game when it matters most. Obviously would be better if he performed this way the whole season, but if there's a time to really step up, it's definitely the last 10 games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SirTonyM on April 27, 2015, 01:36:59 AM
Pulis tried to buy Neil Taylor and Olsson (but for traffic) so I think he would want a left back but just didn't like the 2 he has. Irvine didn't like Davison either though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2015, 08:19:20 AM
I think Pulis will want Brunt in the team for his set piece delivery and left back may be his future role. I assume we'll need either or both of Davidson and Poco to leave before we sign a new left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on April 27, 2015, 09:16:40 AM
I have to say he has taken to his left back role very well, looks assured and like others have said, his delivery seems to be better.

Well done to the lad, hes always had his critics on here and in the stands but for me he has been one of our best servants and he seems to care about the club.

Fair play Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on April 27, 2015, 12:13:29 PM
Past it as midfielder / winger,
Hopefully can continue to perform as a full back, set piece specialist (leighton Baines) and we get another couple of seasons out of him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on April 27, 2015, 12:57:50 PM
Despite some decent performances at LB he is still a square peg. We should be looking to bring in a genuine first choice LB for next season with Brunt being used as cover for both LB and LW. The same applies at RB with Dawson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Would be nice to get someone like George Friend from Boro to compete with Brunt. He was in the Championship team of the year, looks a good committed all round player and is 3 years younger than Brunt. Think we'll need at least one of Davidson and Poc to leave first though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on April 28, 2015, 06:30:04 AM
Would be nice to get someone like George Friend from Boro to compete with Brunt. He was in the Championship team of the year, looks a good committed all round player and is 3 years younger than Brunt. Think we'll need at least one of Davidson and Poc to leave first though.

I don't think that's going to be an issue do you?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on April 28, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
I don't think that's going to be an issue do you?
Well, they are under contract aren't they ? .... so they need to be signed by someone else or bought out of their contracts. We can't just show them the door anyway.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on April 29, 2015, 09:33:57 AM
Their careers have come to an abrupt halt, despite this there will be takers for Pocognoli.
As for Davidson, he is an ambitious young man. I don't think he'll hang around if there is no prospect of game time at the Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 01, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Who Scored team of the month now lads.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 03, 2015, 12:05:14 AM
Great stuff today from Brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on May 03, 2015, 07:30:38 AM
Chuffed for Brunty who does get his fair share of slaggling sometimes.He tries hard and thats important to the team structure and functioning.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: darbolina on May 03, 2015, 08:00:45 AM
He should be a permanent LB next season with top class competition to push him. This has the effect of opening LM/ LW to a player with pace and power.

He's has been a great servant for our club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2015, 10:23:46 AM
Does yesterday's free kick class as an assist for Olsson?
 :).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on May 03, 2015, 10:58:51 AM
His game has come on since being relieved of the pressures of captaincy.
He's also very vocal when needed,was soon on the refs case, with Fletcher, regarding the penalty incident.
Brunty must be considered as a serious option as full time left back for next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on May 03, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
Does yesterday's free kick class as an assist for Olsson?
 :).

It's Olsson's goal, surely? Last touch is by Olsson and it's not clear if Brunt's strike it on target or not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 03, 2015, 02:22:25 PM
It's Olsson's goal, surely? Last touch is by Olsson and it's not clear if Brunt's strike it on target or not.

Looked to be going on target from an angle I saw, it is Olssons goal though as it went in a totally opposite direction from where Brunts shot was going but Brunt will get an assist (as no doubt Jacko will delight in informing us  :D )
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on May 03, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
It's Olsson's goal, surely? Last touch is by Olsson and it's not clear if Brunt's strike it on target or not.

Surely SmethDan was asking whether Brunt gets credited with an assist for Olsson's goal?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on May 03, 2015, 02:31:19 PM
Surely SmethDan was asking whether Brunt gets credited with an assist for Olsson's goal?

Maybe but that's not how it reads.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on May 03, 2015, 02:31:32 PM
Looked to be going on target from an angle I saw, it is Olssons goal though as it went in a totally opposite direction from where Brunts shot was going but Brunt will get an assist (as no doubt Jacko will delight in informing us  :D )
Absolutely, and well deserved. The way I saw it, Brunt saw De Gea on the left of the goal and aimed his free kick straight at Olsson, knowing he would try to get out of the way and there was a good chance it would hit him and deflect to the right and into the net. I'm sure it is something they have worked out on the training ground and practiced until they perfected it - " Jonas, you stand there, and I'll kick the ball straight at you as hard as I can. You try to get out of the way". Brunty can be a genius at times.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnny Cash on May 03, 2015, 02:47:56 PM
I don't know why we let him continue to take freekicks in shooting positions.

Yesterday aside, Everton away a few years ago is the only one that I can remember him scoring from.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 03, 2015, 02:53:14 PM
I don't know why we let him continue to take freekicks in shooting positions.

Yesterday aside, Everton away a few years ago is the only one that I can remember him scoring from.
HE did score a fair few before Everton. but most of them were similar to yesterday's one where he effectively kicked it through the wall as it fell apart or in one case against Arsenal I think, where he drilled it along the ground into the middle of the wall and the players jumped over it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on May 05, 2015, 11:00:55 AM
Absolutely, and well deserved. The way I saw it, Brunt saw De Gea on the left of the goal and aimed his free kick straight at Olsson, knowing he would try to get out of the way and there was a good chance it would hit him and deflect to the right and into the net. I'm sure it is something they have worked out on the training ground and practiced until they perfected it - " Jonas, you stand there, and I'll kick the ball straight at you as hard as I can. You try to get out of the way". Brunty can be a genius at times.
I can't tell if you're joking or not, you are joking aren't you?  Please?  That was in no way a move off the training ground.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on May 05, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
Absolutely, and well deserved. The way I saw it, Brunt saw De Gea on the left of the goal and aimed his free kick straight at Olsson, knowing he would try to get out of the way and there was a good chance it would hit him and deflect to the right and into the net. I'm sure it is something they have worked out on the training ground and practiced until they perfected it - " Jonas, you stand there, and I'll kick the ball straight at you as hard as I can. You try to get out of the way". Brunty can be a genius at times.

very good, raised a smile here, couldn't hit a barn door, but Jonas's backside no problem!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on May 05, 2015, 11:49:55 AM
I can't tell if you're joking or not, you are joking aren't you?  Please?  That was in no way a move off the training ground.
I was of course joking at the time of writing, but Jonas's comments in the media suggest I wasn't too wide of the mark (amazingly)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on May 05, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
Played very well again on Saturday , i don't know what next season holds for him but to me he has shone under Pulis .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 03:41:00 PM
Joint 4th in Premier League assists for the season so far. Only Fabregas,  Di Maria and Siggurdsen ahead of him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on May 05, 2015, 05:02:07 PM
I have always liked Brunty and i get annoyed when some Albion fans use him as a scapegoat.
He has been a loyal servant and has played where asked without complaint,as well as scoring and assisting many vital goals.
I wish the boo boys would lay off him.
Ironically they tend to worship Olsson who spits and swears at his own fans and always tried to engineer a move every window.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 05, 2015, 08:00:47 PM
Joint 4th in Premier League assists for the season so far. Only Fabregas,  Di Maria and Siggurdsen ahead of him.

 Takes all the corners so stands to reason...  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 05, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
Its a fact though, takes set pieces then stands to reason he will figure highly. How many from general outfield play ?

Its something we lack in midfield and no-one at the club currently is the answer
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on May 05, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
Its a fact though, takes set pieces then stands to reason he will figure highly. How many from general outfield play ?

Its something we lack in midfield and no-one at the club currently is the answer

Jacko, any ideas? I'm genuinely interested.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
Its a fact though, takes set pieces then stands to reason he will figure highly. How many from general outfield play ?

Its something we lack in midfield and no-one at the club currently is the answer
Do other teams not have players who take set pieces?  :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 05, 2015, 08:54:43 PM
Do other teams not have players who take set pieces?  :-X

I presume they do given that all teams get free-kicks and corners during games. Be a bugger if no-one knew how to take one really, I just asked a question about the team so not sure why the ridiculous question.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
I presume they do given that all teams get free-kicks and corners during games. Be a bugger if no-one knew how to take one really, I just asked a question about the team so not sure why the ridiculous question.
You would think if other teams had players as effective as Brunt taking their set pieces then maybe he would be lower in the table of the number of assists? Great asset to our team (especially as we are so defensive and have to rely on set pieces to score our goals).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 05, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
You would think if other teams had players as effective as Brunt taking their set pieces then maybe he would be lower in the table of the number of assists? Great asset to our team (especially as we are so defensive and have to rely on set pieces to score our goals).

I have no idea who does what at other teams, as you are so keen on stats then maybe you can sort that one out for us.

If you bothered to read what I posted I made no comment at all about Brunt other than asking how many of those assists were from outfield play and stating that as he takes the majority of set-pieces and up to recently practically all of them then he will be high in those lists and that it is something we lack in midfield with this squad which is no doubt why we rely so heavily on set-pieces as we lack a creative midfielder and have done for a while, well before this so called defensive bloke we have in charge.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
I have no idea who does what at other teams, as you are so keen on stats then maybe you can sort that one out for us.

If you bothered to read what I posted I made no comment at all about Brunt other than asking how many of those assists were from outfield play and stating that as he takes the majority of set-pieces and up to recently practically all of them then he will be high in those lists and that it is something we lack in midfield with this squad which is no doubt why we rely so heavily on set-pieces as we lack a creative midfielder and have done for a while, well before this so called defensive bloke we have in charge.
They all have them. None are as good as Brunt (other than Di Maria, Fabregas and Siggurdsen)  ;D

Our second highest number of assists is Sessignon with 3. All from open play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 05, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
I think Fabregas and Sigurdsson will be mainly from outfield play, pity we didn't go for Sigurdsson who at one time would have been within our budget but now not so.

Brunt does what he does and no-one denies it and he gets his assists but highlights our problems of lack of creativity in midfield from general play and its something our recruitment have failed to address as what we have here is not the answer no matter who plays there but I guess some will argue we don't need anything in there as we just hoof it from end to the other anyhow so might as well save the money and buy big centre halfs to get on the end of the corners.  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 05, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
Its a fact though, takes set pieces then stands to reason he will figure highly. How many from general outfield play ?

Its something we lack in midfield and no-one at the club currently is the answer
From What I can tell, of the 9 assists he has, 1 is from open play (this is from memory/fixture list on transfermarkt)

his assists are:

Morrison VS Tottenham (corner)
Dawson VS Burnley (Corner)
Berahino VS Man Utd. (open play)
Anichebe VS Palace (corner)
Ideye VS Burnley (corner - also scored from a corner by Mcmannaman)
Fletcher VS Leicester (Corner)
Morrison VS Palace (Corner)
Gardener VS Palace (Corner - Transfermarkt counts it as an assist)
Olsson VS Man Utd. (Free kick)

Bear in mind that these do not include at least two cases where Berahino has scored from corners where there has been a knock on at the near post (Dorrans VS Burnley & Lescott VS Villa) so arguably it's about 11-12 assists this season

On the balance, however, this is a team built to thrive off of set pieces (especially now). we have tall defenders who are statistically known to be good in the air (especially Dawson and McAuley) as well as well thought out plans of attack to make our shorter players just as dangerous and generally good long ball takers in Morrison, Brunt and Gardener (who along with Pocognolli have taken fair percentages of corners this year, though naturally Brunt has the majority) who vary from decent to quite good at getting the ball in a dangerous area fairly regularly. In fact we've had pretty good set piece records for as long as Brunt been in the team, and at this moment in time, that is essential to the game plan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 05, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
So highlights the lack of creativity in the side which has failed to be addressed by our recruitment team over the past couple of years.

For what its worth Brunt despite claims he is being played out of position (even with his international side playing him there) is doing a damn good job at left back (as is Dawson on the opposite flank) and I wouldn't be too concerned if he started there next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 06, 2015, 06:46:41 AM
So highlights the lack of creativity in the side which has failed to be addressed by our recruitment team over the past couple of years.

For what its worth Brunt despite claims he is being played out of position (even with his international side playing him there) is doing a damn good job at left back (as is Dawson on the opposite flank) and I wouldn't be too concerned if he started there next season.
Lack of creativity or too busy defending?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on May 06, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Lack of creativity or too busy defending?
Clubs like us will always have to spend time defending at this level however to only have Brunt for the majority of our assists isn't enough and other than Sess that goes back a few seasons now . We now have Dawson as a threat under Pulis (Swansea , West Ham cup game assists ) and he got forward once or twice at Old Trafford.
Hopefully Pulis will address this issue and others in the Summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 06, 2015, 10:31:54 AM
Lack of creativity or too busy defending?

Lack of creativity which was an issue even before Pulis arrived.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on May 06, 2015, 11:33:02 AM
Isn't it true that all teams have dead-ball "specialists"  nowadays, in fact most clubs have a number dependent upon where the dead-ball is located.

In my opinion, CB has been our sole dead-ball specialist until very recently and this has contributed to his high figures

We can probably name them other clubs specialists and I doubt there are many prem clubs with just one.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on May 06, 2015, 07:07:12 PM
Clubs like us will always have to spend time defending at this level however to only have Brunt for the majority of our assists isn't enough and other than Sess that goes back a few seasons now . We now have Dawson as a threat under Pulis (Swansea , West Ham cup game assists ) and he got forward once or twice at Old Trafford.
Hopefully Pulis will address this issue and others in the Summer.
spend time defending,we spend virtually the whole game every game,dawson did not even come forward for the corners v Liverpool at home obviously under instruction from pulis,its a massive hope that we are going to change our style next season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2015, 04:39:48 PM
Interesting that for someone not a left back, he was selected by Jonas Olsson in his 1 to 11 on Sky's Fantasy Football as a left back over Paul Robinson
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 11, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
Interesting that for someone not a left back, he was selected by Jonas Olsson in his 1 to 11 on Sky's Fantasy Football as a left back over Paul Robinson
Didn't he also pick Morrison as a wide player even though he himself mentioned that Mozza doesn't enjoy playing the wide role anymore and prefers to play centrally?

In terms of Brunt... he is just a better player in almost every regard compared to Robinson, but there are better wingers in that team (Jeremain Lens for example)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2015, 06:06:06 PM
Didn't he also pick Morrison as a wide player even though he himself mentioned that Mozza doesn't enjoy playing the wide role anymore and prefers to play centrally?

In terms of Brunt... he is just a better player in almost every regard compared to Robinson, but there are better wingers in that team (Jeremain Lens for example)

Yes, he did but this topic is about Brunt as per the title. There is a topic elsewhere for Morrison.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tucka9 on May 24, 2015, 12:06:04 AM
Anyone else think his form has coincided with the pressure of being captain taken away from him? Loyal servant, solid player who shouldn't even be questioned whether he deserves a place in our squad next year
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on May 24, 2015, 12:59:08 AM
Anyone else think his form has coincided with the pressure of being captain taken away from him? Loyal servant, solid player who shouldn't even be questioned whether he deserves a place in our squad next year
I think he was never true captain material, and clearly Fletcher wears his captaincy more openly than Brunt ever did.

However, I think the main problem for Brunt under Irvine that at age 30 he was too old to play a winger, and perhaps his stamina had dropped significantly with age. Under Irvine he did the most running on the pitch out of any of our players, however a lot of this seemed uneffective. I think the problem was that he was expected to put in his decent crosses one minute, then track back and defend the next. And for a 30 year old who isn't blessed with pace anyway, this was unrealistic, so after 30 minutes or so he always looked knackered.

These days he joins in attacks but isn't the main focus on the wings, and he is far less adventurous. As a result I think he has the energy to defend properly and looks far better for it. He'll soon reach 300 league appearances for us, which is quite a feat in this era.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on May 24, 2015, 09:47:02 AM
Anyone else think his form has coincided with the pressure of being captain taken away from him? Loyal servant, solid player who shouldn't even be questioned whether he deserves a place in our squad next year
He probably is benefitting from it. I think he's played very well under Pulis. TP seems to be big on players not wasting their ability and being switched on for every game. Generally Brunt has wasted the ball far less under TP (though there were a couple of the old over-hit crosses on Monday...but he had a good game otherwise).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on May 24, 2015, 06:25:07 PM
Top assists for the club for 5 seasons in a row. Fair play
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
Top assists for the club for 5 seasons in a row. Fair play

Not a massive achievement. 3rd highest in the division is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on May 24, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Full credit for a very good season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 24, 2015, 08:57:37 PM
Not a massive achievement. 3rd highest in the division is.

Not having a pop at Brunt at before you jump in but 3rd highest in the division with 5 is pretty poor for this league as a whole.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:18:41 PM
Not having a pop at Brunt at before you jump in but 3rd highest in the division with 5 is pretty poor for this league as a whole.
Pretty sure he has 10 assists in the league.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 24, 2015, 09:20:55 PM
Pretty sure he has 10 assists in the league.

Yeah, misread the post saying 5 seasons in a row  :D

Joint 4th on 9 with Cazorla, Baines and Henderson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:31:53 PM
Yeah, misread the post saying 5 seasons in a row  :D

Joint 4th on 9 with Cazorla, Baines and Henderson.
I think you're missing today, it's definitely 10

Spurs (A), Burnely (H), Man Utd. (H), Palace (H), Burnley (A), Leicester (H), Palace X2 (A), Man Utd. (A), Arsenal (A)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 24, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Ok sorry Mr Pedantic  ;)

I must inform the Premier League to update their website asap
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
Hope to see less of him next year - in that we really must improve on him - his assists but with pace down the wings. We can't go in to next season with the same midfield as this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Ok sorry Mr Pedantic  ;)

I must inform the Premier League to update their website asap
Put a note at the bottom to sack their website manager and hire me instead!! :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 24, 2015, 09:41:33 PM
Put a note at the bottom to sack their website manager and hire me instead!! :D

If it gets you to leave me alone I will  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
If it gets you to leave me alone I will  :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efp497vHRWg
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 24, 2015, 09:48:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efp497vHRWg

Something wrong with you  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on May 25, 2015, 08:15:06 AM
I've praised Brunt's season earlier but while 3rd in the prem assists chart is impressive, it's not just down to him.

We can see from the variety of set pieces under Pulis that a lot of work goes on on the training ground to prepare for those plays. The ball has to be delivered correctly which is a skill of course, but it's a team effort of people making the required runs (and blocks)...and the training staff have a big input also.....more of a team assist if you like.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on May 25, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
I've praised Brunt's season earlier but while 3rd in the prem assists chart is impressive, it's not just down to him.

We can see from the variety of set pieces under Pulis that a lot of work goes on on the training ground to prepare for those plays. The ball has to be delivered correctly which is a skill of course, but it's a team effort of people making the required runs (and blocks)...and the training staff have a big input also.....more of a team assist if you like.

Its no difference to any other assist for a goal is it?
Wether it be a goal from a free kick or open play
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2015, 09:16:02 AM
Without someone converting the goals there is no assist and I guess other players on the list such as Fabregas also take set pieces for Chelsea etc.. You could argue that a high number of assists reflects the quality of a teams strikers as much as it does the players credited with the assist. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on May 25, 2015, 10:50:15 AM
Its no difference to any other assist for a goal is it?
Wether it be a goal from a free kick or open play
I suppose my loose point is that if Pulis suddenly said 'to hell with that we are not spending hours practising set pieces any more'....we would almost certainly see less return from them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on May 25, 2015, 12:18:04 PM
Thought he looked better yesterday when he dropped back into the to left back berth following Olsson's substitution.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2015, 08:40:02 PM
Am I the only one who thinks both he and James Morrison look much fitter?

Both the senior individuals within the squad have stood up to the plate when needed. A few months ago I would have been open to Brunt leaving in the summer but ever since the arrival of Tony Pulis, his game has improved immeasurably to the point I want him to stay - whether we can find better quality than him is another question. I guess his future position at the club is at left back because he doesn't strike me as the most natural Tony Pulis wide man.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on May 25, 2015, 08:42:43 PM
I said to my Dad at the Chelsea game him and Morrison look 2 or 3 years younger now fitness wise.

Perhaps Pulis and the new coaching set up as moved players out of a comfort zone and rekindled an inner passion to succeed further.

I didnt think Brunts time up here had come but I felt earlier in the season Morrison was going through the motions.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
I have been a detractor of his, but I am prepared to eat humble pie.
He is growing into a good full back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 26, 2015, 10:20:06 PM
Who will play left back if brunt is seriously injured?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on August 26, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Who will play left back if brunt is seriously injured?

Steve lilwall.

Seriously i dont know. Poco would have to come back i would have thought
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 26, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Dreading Chester or McLean playing there...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on August 26, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
Mcclean I reckon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on August 27, 2015, 10:14:01 AM
Did we get an update on what his injury was? Looked like a metatarsal or something.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 27, 2015, 10:18:55 AM
Did we get an update on what his injury was? Looked like a metatarsal or something.

Hamstring according to 'The Physio Room' website, no return date as yet.
Follow the link and scroll down.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2015, 04:45:05 PM
Might hear something tomorrow about he's injury I would of thought it's fairly serious.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on August 27, 2015, 04:53:38 PM
Judging by his reaction it seemed like bad news. Hope he's not out too long.

Desperate times in the left back position. Lescott is never a left back, neither is Olsson and judging by Tuesday Chesters left foot is for standing on.

Mclean perhaps?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 27, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Anyone got Chris Bairds number?

He's more likely to play than Poc
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 27, 2015, 05:25:05 PM
I'm more likely to play than Poco.  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 28, 2015, 11:24:17 AM
I'm more likely to play than Poco.  :o

Aren't you a bit one footed for a left back?  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 28, 2015, 01:09:41 PM
Shaddup, or I'll hit you with my zimmer frame.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on September 29, 2015, 08:35:11 PM
In the past ive come on here to slate brunty ,last night I thought he was easily our best player he was totally committed one piece of skill when he beat 2 players with one move was amazing,he has been solid at left back he put in one cross near the end that im sure rondon would have been on it,im actually thinking that he should be back in midfield if we play 5 in midfield in any games,
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 29, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
In the past ive come on here to slate brunty ,last night I thought he was easily our best player he was totally committed one piece of skill when he beat 2 players with one move was amazing,he has been solid at left back he put in one cross near the end that im sure rondon would have been on it,im actually thinking that he should be back in midfield if we play 5 in midfield in any games,

Ditto, criticising him when he was undoubtedly gash, he has however become a good left back,

Would I put him back in M-F? Nah, why put a square peg in a round hole?  :o :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zac on October 09, 2015, 12:34:19 PM
I read the article on the Birmingham Mail about players being played out of position and he was number one on the list. I feel sorry for him being played there but the last two games have shown his vulnerabilities there. No one can doubt his work rate and commitment but he's not good enough when he comes up against a winger with a bit of pace. I'd move him further up and play Poco from now on but I'm sure that won't be happening any time soon!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
I read the article on the Birmingham Mail about players being played out of position and he was number one on the list. I feel sorry for him being played there but the last two games have shown his vulnerabilities there. No one can doubt his work rate and commitment but he's not good enough when he comes up against a winger with a bit of pace. I'd move him further up and play Poco from now on but I'm sure that won't be happening any time soon!

I wonder if the Northern Ireland manager gets abuse for Brunt playing there ? player seems happy enough and was also a big part of the clean sheets we have kept under Pulis.

Funny how it only seems to be an issue when we concede but never when we keep a clean sheet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on October 09, 2015, 03:16:24 PM
I wonder if the Northern Ireland manager gets abuse for Brunt playing there ? player seems happy enough and was also a big part of the clean sheets we have kept under Pulis.

Funny how it only seems to be an issue when we concede but never when we keep a clean sheet.
Not saying Brunt is a long term solution but there will be far better left backs suffer when left alone with Zaha on one of his good days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 03:25:34 PM
Not saying Brunt is a long term solution but there will be far better left backs suffer when left alone with Zaha on one of his good days.

I tried to make that point last week, Zaha was on fire.

I agree Brunt is not a long term solution but is doing a lot better than he gets credit for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on October 09, 2015, 04:26:52 PM
I wonder if the Northern Ireland manager gets abuse for Brunt playing there ? player seems happy enough and was also a big part of the clean sheets we have kept under Pulis.

Funny how it only seems to be an issue when we concede but never when we keep a clean sheet.

What other options do they have? Probably someone from League 2 perhaps?

I'm no Brunt fan but he's been OK at LB nothing more. He's been poor v Soton, Everton and Palace. For me he needed replacing with better but in our current squad he should be at LM with the lack of wide options we have. Players playing in their proper positions would improve us considerably.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 04:36:41 PM
What other options do they have? Probably someone from League 2 perhaps?

I'm no Brunt fan but he's been OK at LB nothing more. He's been poor v Soton, Everton and Palace. For me he needed replacing with better but in our current squad he should be at LM with the lack of wide options we have. Players playing in their proper positions would improve us considerably.

He's performances since moving to left back have been significantly better than when he was in midfield last season due to his constant drifting into the centre. You have selected three games he has been poor, one of which he was up against an excellent winger in Zaha who had the game of his life.

As for Northern Ireland I have no idea but they obviously have others as Brunt has not always played there. Maybe he has made that role his own.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zac on October 09, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
I wonder if the Northern Ireland manager gets abuse for Brunt playing there ? player seems happy enough and was also a big part of the clean sheets we have kept under Pulis.

Funny how it only seems to be an issue when we concede but never when we keep a clean sheet.

I'm not abusing him, if anything i've paid him a compliment! I was just pointing out that i think we would benefit from someone playing there who's natural position is left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 04:58:53 PM
I'm not abusing him, if anything i've paid him a compliment! I was just pointing out that i think we would benefit from someone playing there who's natural position is left back.

Wasn't having a pop at all.

If anything i've had a go at Brunt more than most of the past couple of years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 09, 2015, 05:54:58 PM
Have said for a very long time (well before Man U 5-5) that he would make a great left wing back.
But
I do think he should be part of a 5 rather than a flat 4 because it gives us the security and a touch more width but it's not fair to kill him after one (and really only one) match where he got toasted, by a very good winger who had his best game, same for Chester being bombed after Man City
We can be fickle sometimes but so can managers..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on October 25, 2015, 05:58:54 AM
What a game Brunty lad albion blood run through your veins if he did score one of those stingers MOM would not be debatable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 25, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
That cross he put in for rondon to bullet over the bar had me purring.
He's been a solid performer for us tbis season again.

Not sure if it's switching to full back or releasing the captaincy but he has really upped his levels of performance the last 12 months
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sessegod on October 26, 2015, 07:17:08 AM
That cross he put in for rondon to bullet over the bar had me purring.
He's been a solid performer for us tbis season again.

Not sure if it's switching to full back or releasing the captaincy but he has really upped his levels of performance the last 12 months

I agree, he used to frustrate me on the wing, but this season at full back he's been playing well, linking up with mcclean effectively, I think part of it is that he's not taking any corners.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on October 26, 2015, 07:20:49 AM
What a game Brunty lad albion blood run through your veins if he did score one of those stingers MOM would not be debatable.

Agreed - and he has a good understanding with McLean on the left side too..........
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on October 26, 2015, 07:41:36 AM
Must admit I have always been a Brunty fan, his performances have come on the last year or so.

He has been solid since moving to full back, linking up well and his delivery has improved.

Loyal servant to the club also.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on November 01, 2015, 12:27:46 PM
Reached 200 Prem games for us.

Well done Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 01, 2015, 12:32:28 PM
Does anybody know extent of injury? Looked like a hammy
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on November 01, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
Reached 200 Prem games for us.

Well done Brunty.

1 off 300 games in total for us. Great servant to the club. Not always without his critics, and sometimes justified, but a good club player and has made the left back spot his own.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on November 01, 2015, 12:48:31 PM
True Pro & a great servant to the club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 01, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Echo that.

Great servant to the club and one of our better players in recent times.

Not really quite sure why fans haven't been able to take to him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 02, 2015, 11:46:23 AM
Thought he had a decent match yesterday. Just a real pity he lost Mahrez for Leicester's first.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2015, 11:59:46 AM
Does anybody know extent of injury? Looked like a hammy

That's what I thought. Nothing on the O/S and there is a piece with Brunt giving his thoughts on the Leicester game but no mention of any injury...maybe not as serious as thought?

Hope he's fit for Man Utd, if not can we please have Pocognoli starting at left back and not McClean.

I have been critical of Brunt in the past mainly when he was captain as I didn't think he was a particularly good captain and as a wide player he kept coming inside too much and losing the width, but he's been very solid as a left back (yes he's made mistakes but who doesn't?) and his set piece delivery has been mostly good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 02, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
True Pro & a great servant to the club


could not have said it any better, testimonial time for Chris
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on November 03, 2015, 11:39:33 AM
Does anybody know extent of injury? Looked like a hammy

For what it's worth, the Physio Room website states that he sustained a knock and should be available for selection at the weekend.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php)

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 03, 2015, 02:06:17 PM

could not have said it any better, testimonial time for Chris

il be going if and when he gets one
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 09, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
300th appearance at the weekend! Absolute legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 11, 2015, 10:07:25 PM
Watching all his goals through the official twitter. He takes a mean freekick when he keeps them hard and low- since he has tried curling with finesse he managed one against Everton. Needs to revert back to smashing them in bottom corner!

Thoroughly enjoyed watching his goals back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 11, 2015, 11:30:30 PM
il be going if and when he gets one

It'll be in nearly 2 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 09:23:08 AM
I've been known to bang on about the amount of assists Brunty provides  ;)

People (his detractors) usually try to shoot this down with, "well what do you expect when he takes all the corners?"

Firstly he doesn't, bloody Sess has been taking them for some reason and in the past Morrison, Dorrans, Gardner and Berahino have taken their turns. However, when he does take them, they're bloody good corners... Saw this tweet yesterday:

Squawka FootballVerified account ‏@Squawka  16h16 hours ago
Chris Brunt has now made 17 assists from corners in the Premier League since 2011/12, at least 7 more than any player. #WBAFC

Viva the wand.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2015, 10:03:23 AM
Agreed Jacko - the lad has a couple of indifferent games and many are out to hang him. I remember a similar debate about Olsson earlier on - I thought he was excellent yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on December 14, 2015, 10:48:07 AM
He turns 31 today. Happy Birthday, Brunty!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 14, 2015, 11:03:30 AM
One of those we will truly miss when he's gone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on December 14, 2015, 11:05:16 AM
Happy birthday Brunty.
 8).

Cue posts banging on about an elderly, bow legged arthritic squad of players fit for the knacker's yard.
 :(.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 11:38:23 AM
I have always been a fan of Brunty.

Always gives 100% and hes part of the history now, hes scored so vital games for us, and hes never been one to shy away.

Hes been treated unfairly by our fans at times, hes been moved about in positions, been made captain to then have it taken away from him, and not once has the lad moaned.

It literally confuses me how some people can slate him, but support Berahino.

Happy birthday CB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on December 14, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
Viva Brunty.
Proper club man.
We will realise what we have when he's gone.
That said what was he trying to do with Lallana yesterday when he let him have a free header for their first goal?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 01:16:16 PM
Agreed Jacko - the lad has a couple of indifferent games and many are out to hang him. I remember a similar debate about Olsson earlier on - I thought he was excellent yesterday.

Generally he was but switched off and cost us the first goal. Did very much the same thing v Leicester. You get punished at this level for mistakes like this. You can't knock his effort and commitment but we definitely need to get a genuine LB in there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2015, 03:54:27 PM
I've been known to bang on about the amount of assists Brunty provides  ;)

People (his detractors) usually try to shoot this down with, "well what do you expect when he takes all the corners?"

Firstly he doesn't, bloody Sess has been taking them for some reason and in the past Morrison, Dorrans, Gardner and Berahino have taken their turns. However, when he does take them, they're bloody good corners... Saw this tweet yesterday:

Squawka FootballVerified account ‏@Squawka  16h16 hours ago
Chris Brunt has now made 17 assists from corners in the Premier League since 2011/12, at least 7 more than any player. #WBAFC

Viva the wand.

Up to until earlier this season he HAS been taking nearly all the setpieces but Pulis seems to have changed it around and let others have a go so over the past few season it does stand to reason he will have more assists.

He (along with others) needs to create more assists from general play.

Fantastic ball from Gardner yesterday for the disallowed goal as well by the way so others are just as capable.

Brunt since moving to left back has been a different player to the one ambling along in the centre of the pitch looking like little boy lost and his crossing has improved massively with McClean taking some of the pressure off him on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2015, 12:31:03 AM
According to this, he's scored 13 goals and racked up 37 assists in our 5 1/2 seasons in the Prem straight so far. So that's not including what he did in 08/09 (9 goals, assist record unknown) or the two years in the Championship (17 goals).

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8507/History/Chris-Brunt

How can anyone attack that record?! It's very very impressive. PLUS he's only just turned 31 AND he's being playing out of position for a year.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2015, 09:17:46 AM
Brunt since moving to left back has been a different player to the one ambling along in the centre of the pitch looking like little boy lost and his crossing has improved massively with McClean taking some of the pressure off him on the left.

Could not agree more, especially the description of him ambling along in the centre.  He seems to have found his mojo again, he just needs to concentrate for 90 mins though.  He does have a tendency to switch off but then it isn't his natural position so he deserves leeway for that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 15, 2015, 12:23:54 PM
According to this, he's scored 13 goals and racked up 37 assists in our 5 1/2 seasons in the Prem straight so far. So that's not including what he did in 08/09 (9 goals, assist record unknown) or the two years in the Championship (17 goals).

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/8507/History/Chris-Brunt

How can anyone attack that record?! It's very very impressive. PLUS he's only just turned 31 AND he's being playing out of position for a year.

Don't think anyone anywhere is attacking anything.

I also disagree about him playing out of position, I think he's slotted in at left back very comfortably, yes he may be at fault for the odd goal, name me a fullback at any level who hasn't been.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on December 15, 2015, 04:28:58 PM
What the Hell has happened to the Albion Support? A player in the stripes make a mistake in a match and it gets analysed to death by the armchair/ stand seat critics. We get a good result away from home against a tem with ten times our resources and (probably) the same moaners go on to argue that we lost 2 points ratger than gained any. FFS forget sportsmanship it don't exist in the PL so why can't you get it into your heads if the player pulls on an Albion shirt regardless of performance, that player is better than anything the Vile, the dingle or any other bloody outfit has ever had, and is above all criticism except that of not trying. Under Pulis I have yet to see a player other than SB who has not done his level best in every game he has played. No wonder we have problems in home games. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2015, 05:29:19 PM
Don't think anyone anywhere is attacking anything.

I also disagree about him playing out of position, I think he's slotted in at left back very comfortably, yes he may be at fault for the odd goal, name me a fullback at any level who hasn't been.

Come on Oldbury, loads of people have slated him many times throughout this thread. Even I had a go at him on at least 1 occasion for not tracking a runner. But some have had a go consistently over the past few years.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 15, 2015, 06:11:28 PM
Come on Oldbury, loads of people have slated him many times throughout this thread. Even I had a go at him on at least 1 occasion for not tracking a runner. But some have had a go consistently over the past few years.

Fair point and over the past few years I have been one who has criticised mainly over his use in the centre of the pitch but I think the only criticism he's had lately is about him being at left back which is unfair as he's doing a decent job there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 15, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
I think he's done a very good job at full-back to be honest and he has made that position is own. I keep seeing people mentioning slips of concentration but that is a mistake that the majority of footballers are going to make and I think it's harsh to label that criticism purely at Chris Brunt.

Previously I thought his days out wide were numbered, I thought he was a big reason in our play becoming very pedestrian and one paced because of his obsession to come inside and leave us chronically lacking in width. At that point I would have said his days here were numbered. Since then though, he has become an integral part of this back four and I think he's found himself a new position to finish his career. I can't envisage us signing many better full-backs than Brunty without splashing big money and that is money I would rather us utilise elsewhere.

He is one of those modern day heroes to be honest because I don't think we will see many that will serve the club so well whilst causing minimal disruption. A class act on and off the pitch and there aren't many of those around nowadays.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on December 16, 2015, 02:25:35 PM
I think he's done a very good job at full-back to be honest and he has made that position is own. I keep seeing people mentioning slips of concentration but that is a mistake that the majority of footballers are going to make and I think it's harsh to label that criticism purely at Chris Brunt.

Previously I thought his days out wide were numbered, I thought he was a big reason in our play becoming very pedestrian and one paced because of his obsession to come inside and leave us chronically lacking in width. At that point I would have said his days here were numbered. Since then though, he has become an integral part of this back four and I think he's found himself a new position to finish his career. I can't envisage us signing many better full-backs than Brunty without splashing big money and that is money I would rather us utilise elsewhere.

He is one of those modern day heroes to be honest because I don't think we will see many that will serve the club so well whilst causing minimal disruption. A class act on and off the pitch and there aren't many of those around nowadays.
  My sentiments exactly, so thanks Liam  for putting the words to my thoughts. Would also suggest we might say the same about GMac and Olsen eventually. They are both relatively long serving players who consistently perform well- although not perfectly and have hardly ever let the side down when selected.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2016, 05:54:34 PM
I would hope there'll be plenty of chanting of his name next week or at least something to show support for him.

There's always been a minority of our fans content to treat one of our best professionals who's really not put a foot  wrong with his conduct very poorly, but throwing a coin at him has really taken it to a new level. Only one person but its national news and now reflects very poorly on the fanbase as a whole and will no doubt sully Brunt's view of the support.

At the very least I'd hope there's no protection of this "fan" and he's identified by those there so he can face up to what he did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:01:55 PM
I would hope there'll be plenty of chanting of his name next week or at least something to show support for him.

There's always been a minority of our fans content to treat one of our best professionals who's really not put a foot  wrong with his conduct very poorly, but throwing a coin at him has really taken it to a new level. Only one person but its national news and now reflects very poorly on the fanbase as a whole and will no doubt sully Brunt's view of the support.

At the very least I'd hope there's no protection of this "fan" and he's identified by those there so he can face up to what he did.

Excellent post. Disgraceful behaviour.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on February 20, 2016, 06:12:49 PM
No player (or even person on the street) should have to put up with those sort of actions.

Disgraceful coward of a human being, hope he / she gets a proper punishment.

As for Brunty, for some reason he has been a bit of a scapegoat for fans over the years, he may not of always played great every week (not many players have over a period of 10 years) but he never has shirked anything, he is a top professional, a very good footballer and he showed balls today to walk over and acknowledge the support when he knew the abuse that was being hurled.

Even afterwards thought he showed what a class act he is with his interview, WBA has been good for him but he has been good for us too and i think after Morrison, Olsson and Brunt go there wont be many players for a long long time who stay with us as long as they have, it will more than likely be more money mercenaries joining the gravy train and changing every couple of years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:16:09 PM
Excellent post. Disgraceful behaviour.
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 06:17:51 PM
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?

Whats that got to do with it. He did the right thing at the end of the game and got hit by a coin. Appalling.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on February 20, 2016, 06:20:10 PM
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?

Because he actually cares.

How you can turn this on the player because he went to the fans is beyond me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ComebackStrodds on February 20, 2016, 06:20:31 PM
I'm disgusted and feel ashamed for the first time of supporting Albion. I hope whoever did that gets named and shamed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2016, 06:21:10 PM
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?

He might have been asked but its a nice gesture regardless that no doubt would have made that girls day. It's nice that someone in Brunt's position can see that. Anyone can bask in the fans when its all going great, it takes some guts to face up to them and appreciate the support when its not going well. Although I doubt anyone in the squad will be doing that in the forseeable future now

If he'd walked straight off with everyone else there'd no doubt be moaning about that. Can't win sometimes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astle1968 on February 20, 2016, 06:21:31 PM
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?

Agreed, if anything it's his own fault for going that close to the supporters. What an absolute d1ck trying to give his shirt to a young supporter. Just a shame the coin didn't bounce off the young kids head first and then hit Brunt to teach them both a lesson. Hopefully the club tear his contract up after this regardless of how long is left. As you say yourself it's understandable why this has happened. What did he expect? To go over to our fans and not get a coin in the eye? Naive if so.

On a serious note I'd love to see him cheered on during the warm up, his name cheered again when teams are read out and then his name sung for the first few mins of the game next week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 20, 2016, 06:22:53 PM
model pro for us but why was he giving up his shirt to the fans especially after such an abject performance by the team? How long left is his contract or has he been offered a new one,,?

Unbelievable! Players get criticised all the time for not caring about the fans and running down the tunnel as soon as the full time whistle blows. The treatment of Brunt was a disgrace and has been on previous occasions, some of our fans need to have a good hard look at themselves before having a go at others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 20, 2016, 06:25:15 PM
Would be awesome if a Chris Brunt appreciation theme was our theme for the last away day of the season. Show him we are not like that cowardly scumbag.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:27:09 PM
Unbelievable! Players get criticised all the time for not caring about the fans and running down the tunnel as soon as the full time whistle blows. The treatment of Brunt was a disgrace and has been on previous occasions, some of our fans need to have a good hard look at themselves before having a go at others.
so you don't know what's left on contract as again it was an odd thing to do after poor performance
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2016, 06:32:39 PM
so you don't know what's left on contract as again it was an odd thing to do after poor performance

Not remotely odd. He's not out of contract this summer so I don't know what you're getting at with some increasingly questionable posts on the subject.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2016, 06:34:07 PM
so you don't know what's left on contract as again it was an odd thing to do after poor performance

I'm beginning to think that you must know the person who threw the coin. Surely you cannot seriously believe the club gives out contracts based on who gives away their shirt as is your implication (and Brunt's here till at least the end of 2017 anyway).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on February 20, 2016, 06:36:41 PM
It's a poor show by whoever threw that coin. Brunty's played over 300 games for the club, & whatever anyone thinks of him, he's been a model pro for us!
He'll get my vocal backing next week, providing he wants to play for us again!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on February 20, 2016, 06:38:34 PM
I don't enjoy Pulis's style of football, but, that's just disgusting. A sad day to be a fan :( Hope the police do the "fan" who did this for assault and then the club hands down a life time ban
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on February 20, 2016, 06:39:34 PM
What a disgrace, never been ashamed to be an Albion fan but that makes it close. I left when they scored the third so didn't see it but please tell me the bloke who threw it took a pasting?? W*anker
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 06:41:34 PM
Disgusting. Deserves a good slap.

Great servant to the club and gets treated like this. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:45:57 PM
Not remotely odd. He's not out of contract this summer so I don't know what you're getting at with some increasingly questionable posts on the subject.
usually after a questionable performance by our players they can't wait to get of pitch and clap by half way line. The way brunt went up to fans seemed to suggest that this could be his last game for us in cup
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 20, 2016, 06:47:11 PM
usually after a questionable performance by our players they can't wait to get of pitch and clap by half way line. The way brunt went up to fans seemed to suggest that this could be his last game for us in cup

Or maybe he felt bad because he knew players had let fans down.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
I'm beginning to think that you must know the person who threw the coin. Surely you cannot seriously believe the club gives out contracts based on who gives away their shirt as is your implication (and Brunt's here till at least the end of 2017 anyway).
missing my point that was odd of the player doing that after exit from cup as if that would be his last game for us in that competition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
Or maybe he felt bad because he knew players had let fans down.
they should be used to that by now especially with pulis in charge
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 20, 2016, 06:57:28 PM
His interview was very classy.  Lot of respect to him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 07:00:37 PM
Brunt has been a great servant to this club, i am ashamed at this minute to think one of our own has been treated in this way.

What is happening to us? The club i love is folding before me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kris_boing on February 20, 2016, 07:05:58 PM
One of my favourite players us Brunty. Disgusting what's happened to him today. Sad day.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 20, 2016, 07:09:10 PM
I think its common knowledge i've never been his biggest fan but am disgusted that any Albion "fan" stoops this low, makes you sick to be honest.

Unfortunately over the years we have had a few dickheads but none have  ever resorted to this as far I can remember.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 20, 2016, 07:13:57 PM
Shocking what happened to him today. He has been a good servant to the club.

That said, his time at the club is at an end. Needs to be moved on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on February 20, 2016, 07:17:12 PM
Not a fan of Brunt but for this to happen to him was appalling. Disgraceful behaviour.

Pics being posted on facebook showing a lad in cap and yellow jacket saying he was the fan who threw it and asking people to share.

Anyone at the game confirm it was him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 20, 2016, 07:20:00 PM
Not a fan of Brunt but for this to happen to him was appalling. Disgraceful behaviour.

Pics being posted on facebook showing a lad in cap and yellow jacket saying he was the fan who threw it and asking people to share.

Anyone at the game confirm it was him?

Its made the rounds as my mate from scotland sent me the picture
Doesnt look older than 18/19


A dark day in our clubs history indeed
Ashamed to be a baggie :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiesboots on February 20, 2016, 07:20:06 PM
Brunt has been a great servant to this club, i am ashamed at this minute to think one of our own has been treated in this way.

What is happening to us? The club i love is folding before me.
Very well put. I'm no CB fan but you know he actually cares which is why he was over near our fans, unlike some of the other players.
As for the guy that did it I hope he gets what he deserves but it's an isolated incident and should be treated as such, far greater is the issue of the terrible poisonous atmosphere that surrounds the club and will take us back to where we used to be if were not carefull
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 20, 2016, 07:23:24 PM
Shocking what happened to him today. He has been a good servant to the club.

That said, his time at the club is at an end. Needs to be moved on.
I think it'll go the other way, he'll stay, retire and become a member of the coaching staff here. He's had his coaching badges for years now so he can join the staff when ever he wants.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on February 20, 2016, 07:34:40 PM
Christ Brunt should be a allowed to fire balls at the perpetrator with his thunderbolt of a left peg.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Johnny Beebop on February 20, 2016, 07:37:41 PM
We're being slaughtered on national radio at the minute (RADIO 5) whoever this fecker is I pray he's not an albion fan. If its true that they were allowing 2 tickets per person..........
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 20, 2016, 07:39:52 PM
The fan who threw the coin was totally out of order and if he's banned for life from The Hawthorns then he can have no complaints.  I feel genuinely sorry for Brunt as no player or human being deserves that treatment.

I want to make one point though and that is I don't think Brunt (or any other WBA player for that matter) should have presented a shirt to a fan after such a wretched performance.  It's surely not the time or place.  Clap the fans from the centre circle if you so desire but what was he trying to achieve?  It's just not a very bright thing to do.  Emotions were running high in such an important game and for me there's a touch of arrogance to that particular gesture, almost patronising. 

Anyway I hope Brunt recovers and is available for Crystal Palace and he's got my support for the rest of 2015/16.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sammyg on February 20, 2016, 07:44:08 PM
A sad day for west brom, hope the muppet gets banned for life , no human should ever be treated like that, poor performance also , but no excuse
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 07:45:07 PM
The fan who threw the coin was totally out of order and if he's banned for life from The Hawthorns then he can have no complaints.  I feel genuinely sorry for Brunt as no player or human being deserves that treatment.

I want to make one point though and that is I don't think Brunt (or any other WBA player for that matter) should have presented a shirt to a fan after such a wretched performance.  It's surely not the time or place.  Clap the fans from the centre circle if you so desire but what was he trying to achieve?  It's just not a very bright thing to do.  Emotions were running high in such an important game and for me there's a touch of arrogance to that particular gesture, almost patronising. 

Anyway I hope Brunt recovers and is available for Crystal Palace and he's got my support for the rest of 2015/16.

I understand your point but completely disagree. Brunt made the right and brave gesture at the end of the game. He absolutely did the right thing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on February 20, 2016, 07:45:52 PM
The fan who threw the coin was totally out of order and if he's banned for life from The Hawthorns then he can have no complaints.  I feel genuinely sorry for Brunt as no player or human being deserves that treatment.

I want to make one point though and that is I don't think Brunt (or any other WBA player for that matter) should have presented a shirt to a fan after such a wretched performance.  It's surely not the time or place.  Clap the fans from the centre circle if you so desire but what was he trying to achieve?  It's just not a very bright thing to do.  Emotions were running high in such an important game and for me there's a touch of arrogance to that particular gesture, almost patronising. 

Anyway I hope Brunt recovers and is available for Crystal Palace and he's got my support for the rest of 2015/16.

Brunt, Fletcher and Chester were the only players who clapped the fans.

Brunt had already picked out a young fan to hand his shirt to, how can that be patronising?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 20, 2016, 07:48:51 PM
Brunt has been a great servant to this club, i am ashamed at this minute to think one of our own has been treated in this way.

What is happening to us? The club i love is folding before me.

Yep, thats how i feel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on February 20, 2016, 07:56:13 PM
Brunt, Fletcher and Chester were the only players who clapped the fans.

Brunt had already picked out a young fan to hand his shirt to, how can that be patronising?

Yes totally agree how any blame can be laid on Chris Brunt is astonishing. What is happening to our great club and the game of football that I used to love. Everything these days is far too serious.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 20, 2016, 07:56:39 PM
Brunt, Fletcher and Chester were the only players who clapped the fans.

Brunt had already picked out a young fan to hand his shirt to, how can that be patronising?

The rest of the players were probably embarrassed at an appalling performance and wanted to get off the pitch. 

Well maybe more fool the fan then!!!!  As a fan I wouldn't have wanted any shirt after that "performance".  He must think the WBA fans are right mugs for witnessing that, the showing no emotion at the result, then accepting the shirt as a souvenir for the loss to mighty Reading.  The complacency is alarming.

Anyhow Brunt has my sympathy but you'll never make me believe it was the right course of action by him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Matty on February 20, 2016, 08:03:07 PM
Shocking behaviour! Yes, it's disappointing, but you don't go round attacking people because your team's lost. Grow up!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
The rest of the players were probably embarrassed at an appalling performance and wanted to get off the pitch. 

Well maybe more fool the fan then!!!!  As a fan I wouldn't have wanted any shirt after that "performance".  He must think the WBA fans are right mugs for witnessing that, the showing no emotion at the result, then accepting the shirt as a souvenir for the loss to mighty Reading.  The complacency is alarming.

Anyhow Brunt has my sympathy but you'll never make me believe it was the right course of action by him.

He was giving it to a bloody kid for god sake, get a grip. I took my 9 year old nephew today and it was his first ever away game. He'd have been over the moon to get a players shirt, regardless of the result/performance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 20, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
He was giving it to a bloody kid for god sake, get a grip. I took my 9 year old nephew today and it was his first ever away game. He'd have been over the moon to get a players shirt, regardless of the result/performance.

Don't tell me to get a grip!  You need to respect my opinion.  There's potentially 50 games a season and therefore 50 potential opportunities to hand over a shirt to a young fan.  By all means do it after a good performance / battling draw / good win.  To do it today was taking a risk.  As I've said Chris has my sympathy.  A clap to the fans from the halfway line was the sensible thing to do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on February 20, 2016, 08:13:32 PM
He was giving it to a bloody kid for god sake, get a grip. I took my 9 year old nephew today and it was his first ever away game. He'd have been over the moon to get a players shirt, regardless of the result/performance.

Quite right Brunt went over to the kid to give him a shirt, how can anyone question his actions, some people are almost looking to condone this idiots action in throwing the coin.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:17:31 PM
Don't tell me to get a grip!  You need to respect my opinion.  There's potentially 50 games a season and therefore 50 potential opportunities to hand over a shirt to a young fan.  By all means do it after a good performance / battling draw / good win.  To do it today was taking a risk.  As I've said Chris has my sympathy.  A clap to the fans from the halfway line was the sensible thing to do.

Maybe, just maybe, he thought, "as a team we've played s**t, I personally have played s**t, they fans have paid a lot of money to come here and are going to be disappointed, let me give them something. Oh look, a child, she can have it"
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: macc_baggie on February 20, 2016, 08:23:50 PM
In my opinion going over to clap the fans and give his shirt away took balls. He knows as much as anyone how poor a result it was, showing a bit of gratitude to the 4000 or so fans who made the effort to travel down took some guts.

I hope the person who threw the coin is identified and banned. As someone else mentioned if it had been a villa or wolves fan we'd have been castigating them as thugs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 20, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
Maybe, just maybe, he thought, "as a team we've played s**t, I personally have played s**t, they fans have paid a lot of money to come here and are going to be disappointed, let me give them something. Oh look, a child, she can have it"

We need to stop holding a candle to these people and putting them on a pedestal.  They're not gods.  They're human beings like everyone.  Just because the players earn as much in a week as we do in a year it doesn't make them more important as individuals.  If the child is happy with his shirt then great for them!  I don't see a problem with it in the CORRECT circumstances.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on February 20, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
We need to stop holding a candle to these people and putting them on a pedestal.  They're not gods.  They're human beings like everyone.  Just because the players earn as much in a week as we do in a year it doesn't make them more important as individuals.  If the child is happy with his shirt then great for them!  I don't see a problem with it in the CORRECT circumstances.

I agree, I'm sure a 40 year old bloke season ticket holder wouldn't be overly bothered about having his shirt today, but a young kid would no doubt be over the moon and take none of what you've just mentioned into account.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 20, 2016, 08:36:08 PM
We need to stop holding a candle to these people and putting them on a pedestal.  They're not gods.  They're human beings like everyone.  Just because the players earn as much in a week as we do in a year it doesn't make them more important as individuals.  If the child is happy with his shirt then great for them!  I don't see a problem with it in the CORRECT circumstances.
I think your mistaken that people have to respect your opinion but they should respect your right to have an opinion.
They're humans so they shouldn't expect to have things thrown at them when doing something nice for a fan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 20, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
There is a video doing the rounds on Twitter of this vermin physically assaulting Albion fans after physically assaulting an Albion player. Please can people find this and watch this and help identify him to the police.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on February 20, 2016, 09:07:07 PM
I thought his interview after was spot on. He's been here a long time and for him to say I thought this club wasn't like that says a lot
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on February 20, 2016, 09:11:35 PM
There is a video doing the rounds on Twitter of this vermin physically assaulting Albion fans after physically assaulting an Albion player. Please can people find this and watch this and help identify him to the police.

I've seen said video, but I'm yet to see evidence it was him. In fact, i've seen people who were there categorically deny it was him saying it was an older "gentleman".

Edit: apologies for any confusion. Your post doesn't mention that the lad in the yellow is the one being accused of throwing the coin. Hopefully my post now makes sense.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on February 20, 2016, 09:49:53 PM
Posted on Wednesbury's 'to all who are Albion' ...

Let's all do the right thing & support Brunty' at the Palace game next week, by bellowing his name on the 11th minute (for the full minute), by either singing ...

a) We love you Brunty

   Or ...

b) his usual ... 'Ole Ole' ... Chrissy Brunt Brunt Brunt

... I just think it would show our fans in a truer light. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Cardiaccarol on February 20, 2016, 09:57:36 PM
Don't know whether you read this. If Chris doesn't but someone can pass him this message -please do.

I'm an old bird. Been watching the Albion since well before Chris was born. I've never been ashamed of us before. We've lost loads of games in that time and things have been a lot worse than they are now.

Chris I didn't throw a coin at you. I wouldn't throw coins at anyone. I think it's unforgiveable that any of us has tried to hurt you.

You have always worked hard and always given your best. When times have been difficult and the collective we have criticised you have never hidden but always worked.

I Appologise on behalf of the moron. Most of us are better than that
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on February 20, 2016, 10:09:42 PM
Hopefully we get this page sent over to Brunts Twitter?

Brunty, what a servant to my club. Thank you and apologies on behalf of those morons. I'm hearing they got what they deserved after.

Thank you Sir Chris.

Leave your messages and someone please get it to him.

(Saw you in Salburg brunt, what a bloke!)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on February 20, 2016, 10:11:18 PM
Well said Carol.

Get on board, minute 11 next week, let's show what true Baggies are really like!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 20, 2016, 10:58:30 PM
That's sick to be honest, whether he plays good, ok or awful - he's a modern-day club legend and has always stuck by us and represented the club in a good way. He could have moved after his first Premiership season with us too but stuck with us even though it would have been easy to go elsewhere.

I know it's different but I've also heard him being boo'd on a few occassions, I just don't understand it - he's not just loyal but he's also a very good player for us. I hope the moron who threw the coin gets banned from the Hawthorns it's not on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 20, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
Sorry but this is all a bit cringy
Whoever threw the coin should be arrested, dealt with and banned...that's it, I don't see how singing a bit is going to change much, he got hit by one coin from one moron, he knows it's not everybody.

He probably know that many of those singing falsely (if it goes ahead)have also been booing without cause previously.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 20, 2016, 11:06:15 PM
Sorry but this is all a bit cringy
Whoever threw the coin should be arrested, dealt with and banned...that's it, I don't see how singing a bit is going to change much, he got hit by one coin from one moron, he knows it's not everybody.

He probably know that many of those singing falsely (if it goes ahead)have also been booing without cause previously.

It's not cringy, football is all about players like Brunt who stick at clubs through thick and thin. He will be remembered as an Albion captain for years to come and should be reminded by our fans that he is wanted at the club. I've honestly heard more boos for him than Berahino down the years which is the real cringy thing here.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 20, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
It's not cringy, football is all about players like Brunt who stick at clubs through thick and thin. He will be remembered as an Albion captain for years to come and should be reminded by our fans that he is wanted at the club. I've honestly heard more boos for him than Berahino down the years which is the real cringy thing here.
Which is my point, it's almost false.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 20, 2016, 11:13:29 PM
Sorry but this is all a bit cringy
Whoever threw the coin should be arrested, dealt with and banned...that's it, I don't see how singing a bit is going to change much, he got hit by one coin from one moron, he knows it's not everybody.

He probably know that many of those singing falsely (if it goes ahead)have also been booing without cause previously.

I agree, all these letters mean nothing posting them on here. Send them to the club.

His name will get sung next week. The culprit will be banned. Job done and move onto the fact that we are still very poor and palace will prob turn us over.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wardy65 on February 20, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
Sorry but this is all a bit cringy
Whoever threw the coin should be arrested, dealt with and banned...that's it, I don't see how singing a bit is going to change much, he got hit by one coin from one moron, he knows it's not everybody.

He probably know that many of those singing falsely (if it goes ahead)have also been booing without cause previously.
It ain't just that pal. I'm Baggies through & through & I've been going since the Giles era in the mid-70's. It ain't just about Brunt, it's more about the club & the way we conduct ourselves.

You don't wanna join in, please yourself, but don't moan when the players shoot off down the tunnel & disregard our fans after another fruitless 90 minutes away from home. For me, Brunt's been good for us over the years & next Saturday's our chance to show a little bit of appreciation.  Like I say, if you don't wanna join in that's up to you. I will be!

You
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 20, 2016, 11:22:28 PM
Seems as though we can embarrass ourselves on and off the pitch...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Avonbaggie on February 20, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Well said Carol.

Get on board, minute 11 next week, let's show what true Baggies are really like!

Good idea. Hopefully by then we've identified the culprit and rather than throwing 50ps we can throw bricks at the moron.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 20, 2016, 11:44:46 PM
An 11th minute of applause and singing from all 4 corners of the Hawthrons just like the 9th for Astle would make a great statement to the football world and most importantly to him that we, as a fan base, have absolutely nothing to do with that pathetic excuse for a 'fan'. Personally I highly welcome it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 20, 2016, 11:52:34 PM
Good idea. Hopefully by then we've identified the culprit and rather than throwing 50ps we can throw bricks at the moron.
I have to say it...that's moronic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on February 21, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
His treatment was disgusting, I really wonder what we have become when idiots are pelting our own players. He gave his shirt away and made some kids day and people are honestly saying he shouldn't have, after that kids dad would have spent a small fortune to go to the game. We seem to be really toxic at the moment, negativity with everything, I don't support the whole relegation to clear the decks idea but really what we have become, fighting amongst ourselves attacking our own players....I know it was one idiot amongst thousands but just can't get over it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sconesy on February 21, 2016, 12:42:29 AM
I know I speak for us all in condemning this awful action against Brunty. I also know that this isolated incident is opposed in the most withering terms by us all. The person who did this may well be a 'stand up' person and a loyal Albion follower - however actions have consequences. No one can condone what they did, let's face it...Brunty could've been blinded.....the person that threw the coin threw it in anger and frustration...not to deliberately hurt. Maybe this person could offer their grovelling apologies to Brunty and the club, and 'come out' - if he/she were to offer their time, help to the club in order to display a certain amount of humility, I can only assume that this would be a positive to come from this. They should still face a lengthy ban, but this person has the opportunity to stand up and be counted. Other that that....what a shocking display of football today - I'm s Pulis admirer...he saved us let's face it - however we're breathing without having any heartbeat.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 21, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
It ain't just that pal. I'm Baggies through & through & I've been going since the Giles era in the mid-70's. It ain't just about Brunt, it's more about the club & the way we conduct ourselves.

You don't wanna join in, please yourself, but don't moan when the players shoot off down the tunnel & disregard our fans after another fruitless 90 minutes away from home. For me, Brunt's been good for us over the years & next Saturday's our chance to show a little bit of appreciation.  Like I say, if you don't wanna join in that's up to you. I will be!

You
I don't moan when they run off down the tunnel, if they come over to clap the crowd it has no bearing on their footballing ability whatsoever, in fact I'd suggest some of them play the PR game better because they know they play the football game worse.
What you are saying is that next week is a chance to show CB some appreciation, well that in itself was my whole point, next week wouldn't be happening if some idiot hadn't thrown a coin at him, in fact let's pretend that the coin incident didn't happen and CB started and was woefully exposed at left back again, how many would be singing for his "appreciation" so like I was trying to say , don't wait till people die before you say you love em , and don't blow smoke up his ass because an idiot threw a coin at him, there will be many singing his name who have given him dogs abuse ....so it really is false and cringey
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 21, 2016, 09:12:17 AM
If you spin a coin at anyone with pace you would reasonably expect it could led cause serious damage, including blinding them.  I feel very sad this morning. Loosing a match is hard, but honour is more important, and I think we have lost a bit of that this am.

I will be doing what I can next week to show that I value Chris's loyal service to the club.

Last time we got relegated Chris  came around the front of the East stand, patted my lad on the head, choking back the tears. it meant  something to him it really did. Not fair, not honourable not right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2016, 09:18:20 AM
The aftermath.

https://twitter.com/MartynMacintyre/status/701143810341003264

I will not make comment, if you read the feed, tells you allegedly what happened.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on February 21, 2016, 09:35:30 AM
Awful what happened to Chris Brunt.

The cctv cameras and old bill will have the culprit banged to rights in no time, I don't think it's a good idea pointing the finger at somebody for something they may not have done.

Once PROVEN guilty, take the gloves off, fair game, until then, if you categorically know who did it, tell the club or the OB, not Facebook, here or Twitter.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 21, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
An 11th minute of applause and singing from all 4 corners of the Hawthrons just like the 9th for Astle would make a great statement to the football world and most importantly to him that we, as a fan base, have absolutely nothing to do with that pathetic excuse for a 'fan'. Personally I highly welcome it.
Ive got nothing against brunt, and i am angry that someone could do that to one of our players but please dont mention him in the same context as the king.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 09:56:49 AM
I think the Club and how they sold the tickets have a lot to answer for , i was at Leicester away last season when they sold tickets in the almost the same structure and there was a number of fans beyond drunk hours before the game in fact one was sick out the front of the pub as we walked in.
Again the tickets that day were cheapish and day trippers were buying off ST holders accounts , it may well be the person who threw the coin is a ST holder but the way the club sell tickets at times means anybody could get hold of one .
When its local or we are given a big allocation the club need to look at stricter sales imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 21, 2016, 09:57:47 AM
Brunt is in to his 9th season with us.
He's played over 300 games, has 40 odd goals.
He was in the squad that won a title for the first time in ages, he was in that Mowbray team that went to wembley. He was one of the better players wen we got relegated and remained loyal. He's been captain of the team for approaching 100 games.


Regardless of whether you are a brunt supporter or not and whether you like Pulis playing him left back and his whole anti football set up you don't throw coins at people neither do you abuse them. The players know when they haven't played well.

This guy is a rarity in modern football. We won't have many more who serve the amount of time him and Morrison have and even the likes of Olsson too. He deserves solid backing at the next game for 90 minutes. He's loved by many at this club and should be respected by all
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: eastander on February 21, 2016, 10:27:45 AM
The coin was inexcusably thrown at Brunty, but maybe it was aimed at the club . This period of mediocrity which currently hangs over the place might be better served by a change or three at 5pm on 15 May. The style of play is entirely uninspiring, specialist positions overlooked, all in the name of greed. The ticketing policy for yesterday should also be closely scrutinised, the club should give some explanation why they prioritise sales over safety.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on February 21, 2016, 10:35:17 AM
The coin was inexcusably thrown at Brunty, but maybe it was aimed at the club . This period of mediocrity which currently hangs over the place might be better served by a change or three at 5pm on 15 May. The style of play is entirely uninspiring, specialist positions overlooked, all in the name of greed. The ticketing policy for yesterday should also be closely scrutinised, the club should give some explanation why they prioritise sales over safety.

Yep it is inexcusable, I'm inebriated off with the style of football but I wouldn't try and blind one of longest serving players who came over to apologise. A knobhead threw it because he doesn't know how else to act.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stoxman on February 21, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
I know I speak for us all in condemning this awful action against Brunty. I also know that this isolated incident is opposed in the most withering terms by us all. The person who did this may well be a 'stand up' person and a loyal Albion follower - however actions have consequences. No one can condone what they did, let's face it...Brunty could've been blinded.....the person that threw the coin threw it in anger and frustration...not to deliberately hurt. Maybe this person could offer their grovelling apologies to Brunty and the club, and 'come out' - if he/she were to offer their time, help to the club in order to display a certain amount of humility, I can only assume that this would be a positive to come from this. They should still face a lengthy ban, but this person has the opportunity to stand up and be counted. Other that that....what a shocking display of football today - I'm s Pulis admirer...he saved us let's face it - however we're breathing without having any heartbeat.

Sorry wouldn't cut it for me.  I am sure that most people in court are sorry that they ran someone over,  sorry they hit their wife when she had burned the dinner,  sorry that they put something in their pocket because they couldn't afford to pay for it.  This person did something with potentially disastrous consequences (albeit that I'm sure he didn't attempt to blind Brunt) and being disappointed that 11 blokes lost a game of football against 11 other blokes is no excuse at all.  Someone knows who this idiot is.  Most people go with friends to football,  especially away games.  I really hope they are speaking with the police. 

Before someone accuses me of being holier than thou,  I will admit that I have broken laws- I sometimes speed,  I have watched TV without a licence but would I ever throw something at someone in temper,  no I haven't and wouldn't and I therefore can say without any hypocrisy that I hope this person sees the inside of Winson Green.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 21, 2016, 11:14:07 AM
On a footballing note I found it completely unacceptable the way Brunt made no attempt to try and stop their 3rd goal. Once their man had cut inside him he just stopped running.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiesboots on February 21, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
On a footballing note I found it completely unacceptable the way Brunt made no attempt to try and stop their 3rd goal. Once their man had cut inside him he just stopped running.
About 3 seasons ago.....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on February 21, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
To give the coin throwing moron any credit for expressing anything other than the most basic of primeval urges is way over analysing his motivation. I also saw a tweet which suggested if the coin had been aimed at James McClean it would be somehow more understandable or had it been thrown at the ref, Pulis or an opposition player it would have been somehow not been as bad. This is the wrong headed double think that fans of all club's sometimes fall into, a line was crossed and regardless of the frustrations many of us feel with the club is totally uncalled for and should be punished.

The other thing I would say about the incident it was almost certainly not personal Brunt just happened to have the balls to walk across to the fans to give his shirt away. It just gave the moron coin thrower a target had it been any other player the chances are he would have done the same.

With regard to Brunt I feel he is often is unfairly criticised for not being the player fans want him to be and has often filled played in roles that are plainly not his best position but has always given his best. He is not a player I have ever accused of not caring or phoning it in. He is the last player that deserves this treatment from his own "fans" but as said earlier this wasn't personal it was a moron at work so there is a callous randomness to the act.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on February 21, 2016, 11:36:24 AM
On a footballing note I found it completely unacceptable the way Brunt made no attempt to try and stop their 3rd goal. Once their man had cut inside him he just stopped running.

A mate of mine just said that on MOTD he spotted 3 instances where our players appear to have "stopped trying".  That was one of them but I haven't seen the highlights yet.  Anybody else spot anything?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on February 21, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
Bruntie has my complete sympathy for being the unlucky one to have been caught by this idiot. He has been a great servant to the club, and is one of the players I most associate with being West Brom through and through. I hope he gets some extra vocal support next game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rogerstubbs on February 21, 2016, 02:51:18 PM
I agree bruntie is a super guy,I hope the Albion fans will give him great support at the palace match live on the tele.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 21, 2016, 03:26:45 PM
Brunty will need all the support he can get if Pulis is daft enough to play him at LB against Palace. Zaha will tear him yet another new one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 21, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
A mate of mine just said that on MOTD he spotted 3 instances where our players appear to have "stopped trying".  That was one of them but I haven't seen the highlights yet.  Anybody else spot anything?

I didn't notice anything else but something isn't right within the camp. The effort just doesn't seem there. Have the players lost faith with Pulis?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
I didn't notice anything else but something isn't right within the camp. The effort just doesn't seem there. Have the players lost faith with Pulis?
In the 7 days since a 110% display at Everton ?  , Can't see that.
I just think a lot of players aren't bothered by the Cup in the modern game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 21, 2016, 03:44:57 PM
In the 7 days since a 110% display at Everton ?  , Can't see that.
I just think a lot of players aren't bothered by the Cup in the modern game.

I could understand that mentality from players of the bigger sides as the Prem and CL are all that matters in their eyes. Yet for our players its a massive opportunity and probably the only one to win some silverware. The lack of effort from some of ours yesterday was unacceptable.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2016, 03:54:38 PM
I could understand that mentality from players of the bigger sides as the Prem and CL are all that matters in their eyes. Yet for our players its a massive opportunity and probably the only one to win some silverware. The lack of effort from some of ours yesterday was unacceptable.
Been the same for seasons in the Cup's , just seems the money and glamour of the PL kills it even for clubs like ours.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 21, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
My biggest gripe is that the tosser who threw the coin has now managed to deflect all the attention away from what was a shocking performance.

His actions was disgraceful and hopefully the culprit is identified swiftly and is banned.

Have to say though, Brunt was poor yesterday. He is a damn sight better footballer than having to resort to knocking the ball into the channel.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RuncornBaggie on February 21, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
The aftermath.

https://twitter.com/MartynMacintyre/status/701143810341003264

I will not make comment, if you read the feed, tells you allegedly what happened.

This kid (In the cap and yellow coat) and his taller drongo mate were kicked out of the Wetherspoons earlier in the day, kicking off with the manager of the pub.  Day trippers I think!  I have never seen either of them before. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2016, 04:12:46 PM
This kid (In the cap and yellow coat) and his taller drongo mate were kicked out of the Wetherspoons earlier in the day, kicking off with the manager of the pub.  Day trippers I think!  I have never seen either of them before.
Kicked out a Weatherspoons? Everything you need to know about him in one sentence.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ian66 on February 21, 2016, 04:14:50 PM
This kid (In the cap and yellow coat) and his taller drongo mate were kicked out of the Wetherspoons earlier in the day, kicking off with the manager of the pub.  Day trippers I think! I have never seen either of them before.
Although the club have a lot to answer for for allowing 2 tickets per STH, also the STH that got the ticket for this mooron should hold their head in shame. As a STH myself buying a ticket on my account I would only let someone have it I can trust to behave themselves. I wouldn't want to jeopardize having a black mark against me and ultimately loosing my ST or getting a ban.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tatnam baggie on February 21, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
This kid (In the cap and yellow coat) and his taller drongo mate were kicked out of the Wetherspoons earlier in the day, kicking off with the manager of the pub.  Day trippers I think!  I have never seen either of them before.

Look on wba news. See if you recognise the kid in yellow coat!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Tatnam baggie on February 21, 2016, 07:12:41 PM
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/817370147?-11200:789:3
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 21, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
The coin throwing incident was an appalling act perpetrated by a mindless fool who will undoubtedly be identified from CCTV and, hopefully, charged by the police and also banned from the club for life. Whatever people may think of Brunt's good and bad points, he's been a very loyal servant to our club (unusual these days) and, AFAIK, was the only one of our players with the balls to go over to our fans after the game yesterday, so he didn't deserve what happened however you look at it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 21, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
The coin throwing incident was an appalling act perpetrated by a mindless fool who will undoubtedly be identified from CCTV and, hopefully, charged by the police and also banned from the club for life. Whatever people may think of Brunt's good and bad points, he's been a very loyal servant to our club (unusual these days) and, AFAIK, was the only one of our players with the balls to go over to our fans after the game yesterday, so he didn't deserve what happened however you look at it.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie_liam on February 21, 2016, 08:52:47 PM
Although the club have a lot to answer for for allowing 2 tickets per STH, also the STH that got the ticket for this mooron should hold their head in shame. As a STH myself buying a ticket on my account I would only let someone have it I can trust to behave themselves. I wouldn't want to jeopardize having a black mark against me and ultimately loosing my ST or getting a ban.


According to whoever runs the sons of Albion Facebook page, the lad getting all the stick is a 17 year old season ticket holder who's addament they've done nothing wrong and has sun reporters outside his parents house. And apparently got a bit of a beating on the train home.
How true, I don't know
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 10:20:32 AM
https://twitter.com/mattwilson_star/status/701696464565702656

Said to be considering future.

Time is prob right to see him go hes given us 10 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 22, 2016, 10:36:49 AM

According to whoever runs the sons of Albion Facebook page, the lad getting all the stick is a 17 year old season ticket holder who's addament they've done nothing wrong and has sun reporters outside his parents house. And apparently got a bit of a beating on the train home.
How true, I don't know

According to FB just, the lad mentioned has had his name cleared by Police, don't know if true.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 10:52:49 AM
you would think if it was an overarm throw it should be quite easy to spot who threw the coin
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
https://twitter.com/mattwilson_star/status/701696464565702656

Said to be considering future.

Time is prob right to see him go hes given us 10 years.

No, it's not the right time. you want to see a player leave because he got hit in the face with a coin thrown by one of their own 'fans'?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 22, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
No, it's not the right time. you want to see a player leave because he got hit in the face with a coin thrown by one of their own 'fans'?
Come off it that's not what he said at all, that's just twisting the comment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
No, it's not the right time. you want to see a player leave because he got hit in the face with a coin thrown by one of their own 'fans'?

I didnt say that did I? If he is considering his future as the report says, then after 10 years of service it could be the right time to go.

I personally would like him to stay and be used on the left side of midfield. He has a wand of a left foot which can create numerous chances for Rondon and Saido.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
My point is, after being hit in the face by a coin is not the right time to go, regardless.  We should be ashamed if he choose to go because of that, not go "well, he has been here 10 years".
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
I didnt say that did I? If he is considering his future as the report says, then after 10 years of service it could be the right time to go.

I personally would like him to stay and be used on the left side of midfield. He has a wand of a left foot which can create numerous chances for Rondon and Saido.

Make your mind up then because earlier you said it probably is the right time to see him go.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 12:55:18 PM
Make your mind up then because earlier you said it probably is the right time to see him go.

Arent you the one who keeps saying we are rebuilding?

If a player is considering his future and has given 10 years service then thats fine he can go with the blessing of the fans but as per my other comment i would like him to stay.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 12:58:14 PM
He's just been hit in the face with a coin and jeering fans. Some "blessing".
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:06:40 PM
He's just been hit in the face with a coin and jeering fans. Some "blessing".

One idiot threw the coin not 4000 that were there.

Or are you saying its everyones fault?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
One idiot threw the coin not 4000 that were there.

Or are you saying its everyones fault?

I didnt say it was everyone's fault. Where did you get that.  I'm simply pointing out that the reaction of the fans at the end of the game is hardly one of fans who are giving their blessing to someone who has spent the bulk of his career at Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
I didnt say it was everyone's fault. Where did you get that.  I'm simply pointing out that the reaction of the fans at the end of the game is hardly one of fans who are giving their blessing to someone who has spent the bulk of his career at Albion.

Lets clap them all off then shall we after being beat by a championship team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:11:52 PM
Lets clap them all off then shall we after being beat by a championship team.

Or you know, you could always not boo and jeer.  That's always an option.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:19:04 PM
Or you know, you could always not boo and jeer.  That's always an option.

I dont. Only person i have given my abuse to is the manager.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:30:16 PM
I dont. Only person i have given my abuse to is the manager.

Has giving that abuse helped at all do you think?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 01:35:16 PM
Has giving that abuse helped at all do you think?

I felt better for it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:40:56 PM
Or you know, you could always not boo and jeer.  That's always an option.

Booing and jeering is also an option though, an option that every paying supporter has a right to whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
Booing and jeering is also an option though, an option that every paying supporter has a right to whether you like it or not.

Of course it is, I haven't said anything different.. I just don't think it helps west bromwich Albion out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:49:36 PM

Of course it is, I haven't said anything different.. I just don't think it helps west bromwich Albion out.

So to help West Bromwich Albion out should we all cheer and clap every week regardless of garbage performances and abysmal results? Who is that helping? I'm sure it will make some people feel better about themselves whilst they tell everyone how much of a great fan they are but I'm not convinced that this will help the football club any more than booing will.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:54:44 PM
So do you think getting behind the team and offering support has just as much an affect on the players as booing?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
So do you think getting behind the team and offering support has just as much an affect on the players as booing?

Yes. I don't think they give a toss either way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
Why do you think playing at home is considered an advantage?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on February 22, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
It's one of the biggest myths in sport that fans have anything to do with performance on the pitch. 90,000 could boo and jeer at the New Camp and Barcelona would still stuff everyone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Lloydy on February 22, 2016, 02:02:53 PM
Why do you think playing at home is considered an advantage?

Is that still the case? Home advantage has slowly been diminishing over the years and this season has been the most successful ever for away teams.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 02:04:42 PM
Why do you think playing at home is considered an advantage?

our performances home and away are appalling. just means at home more fans get to vent their frustration to the team and manager.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 02:05:38 PM
Home teams still get considered to have the advantage. I can't believe that booing your own team doesn't put them under more pressure. All it does is help the opposition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 22, 2016, 02:08:22 PM
Why do you think playing at home is considered an advantage?

I think home advantage is way more to do with being used to the pitch and facilities and also avoiding the negative effects of travelling like being away from your family/staying in a hotel etc than anything to do with the fans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 22, 2016, 02:09:10 PM
if we discount poco would brunty get a game if we had a good recognised left back , would he offer more than mclean who is more graft than craft, if the answers yes I presume it would be instead of mclean which begs the question why didn't we just buy a left back and play brunt in his natural position. if the answers no he wouldn't get a game ahead of a good left back or mclean then doesn't it make sense to be looking for a replacement anyway.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 22, 2016, 02:10:29 PM
Home teams still get considered to have the advantage. I can't believe that booing your own team doesn't put them under more pressure. All it does is help the opposition.

I do accept your point though. As much as I think fans getting behind a team has very little or no positive impact, booing the team during the game is likely to have a demotivating impact on players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 02:13:21 PM
if we discount poco would brunty get a game if we had a good recognised left back , would he offer more than mclean who is more graft than craft, if the answers yes I presume it would be instead of mclean which begs the question why didn't we just buy a left back and play brunt in his natural position. if the answers no he wouldn't get a game ahead of a good left back or mclean then doesn't it make sense to be looking for a replacement anyway.

Tough one. I think with Brunt's age he wouldn't be seen as first choice left midfield for years.  In which case he makes an ok left back and he can be back up for McLean.  I think it's to do with having players who can fill in at more than one role. Pretty useful to a club with our finances
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 22, 2016, 02:17:13 PM
It's good to see the coin collection on Saturday is getting some media coverage. That can only help.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 22, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
Tough one. I think with Brunt's age he wouldn't be seen as first choice left midfield for years.  In which case he makes an ok left back and he can be back up for McLean.  I think it's to do with having players who can fill in at more than one role. Pretty useful to a club with our finances
maybe that's why at least 4 players that I can think of who have played at left back under pulis. we need a specialised lb, it seems crazy to have played so many different players in that position.
poco
brunt
evans
lescott
probably others aswell.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 02:33:55 PM
So do you think getting behind the team and offering support has just as much an affect on the players as booing?


i think supporters, players and coaches have lost each others love and affection
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on February 22, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
hopefully brunt starts to turn up and perform from now on otherwise anyone that gets on his back at games  will be strung up
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 22, 2016, 03:42:20 PM
His reply to the incident.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/coin-thrower-drags-football-back-053100305.html
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 22, 2016, 03:57:38 PM
Just read on twitter a women going by name of baggiebird62 is having buckets around the ground and in pubs for people to "chuck" change into for it to go to charity of chris brunts choice.

This is a bit much IMO, yes it was wrong what the idiot done and hopefully he will get banned for life but doing this makes us seem small time IMO.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows this was a one off and done by one idiot, and will prob never happen again, do we need to make a big song and dance about it? No i dont think we do.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 22, 2016, 04:11:07 PM
Just read on twitter a women going by name of baggiebird62 is having buckets around the ground and in pubs for people to "chuck" change into for it to go to charity of chris brunts choice.

This is a bit much IMO, yes it was wrong what the idiot done and hopefully he will get banned for life but doing this makes us seem small time IMO.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows this was a one off and done by one idiot, and will prob never happen again, do we need to make a big song and dance about it? No i dont think we do.

I tend to agree, if as much effort was put into naming and shaming the culprit (someone knows) then that would be better  for everyone.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on February 22, 2016, 04:14:11 PM
Just read on twitter a women going by name of baggiebird62 is having buckets around the ground and in pubs for people to "chuck" change into for it to go to charity of chris brunts choice.

This is a bit much IMO, yes it was wrong what the idiot done and hopefully he will get banned for life but doing this makes us seem small time IMO.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows this was a one off and done by one idiot, and will prob never happen again, do we need to make a big song and dance about it? No i dont think we do.

Actually we are lucky to have people who care enough to do this, if that is "small time" well so be it. Personally I don't feel the need to make amends for the actions of an idiot but let's not knock those people who want to make a gesture. However be in no doubt the actions of this idiot and his fellow travelers hurt us all.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on February 22, 2016, 04:24:30 PM
Actually we are lucky to have people who care enough to do this, if that is "small time" well so be it. Personally I don't feel the need to make amends for the actions of an idiot but let's not knock those people who want to make a gesture. However be in no doubt the actions of this idiot and his fellow travelers hurt us all.

Agree 100% with that, events on Saturday will have sent a shudder throughout the FC. It will be interesting to see if the players even approach the crowd on Saturday, & we're bound to get taunts for the rest of the season from opposition fans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on February 22, 2016, 05:26:21 PM
First and foremost obviously Bruntys managed to avoid what could of been a potentially serious injury and thats the main thing.

From a club point of view, one scumbag has dragged our name through the gutter, its made front and back page newspapers and been discussed on various news programmes as although any coin throwing is ridiculous i think this is one of the first, if not the first televised incident of a 'fan' doing it to their own players.

Albion fans i think in general are known for being a decent bunch, we have a few idiots same as every club but this k**b who threw the coin has really helped sour our reputation. Even my missus who knows nothing about football asked 'Why do your fans thrown coins at their own players?' she had heard it on the breakfast news and i pointed out it was one 'fan' but mud sticks. A lot of the media saying West Brom fans were disgusting, but it was 'one' fan who really went too far.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on February 22, 2016, 05:43:49 PM
1 fan out of 4000 lets not forget .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 22, 2016, 05:46:01 PM
I think the bucket collections a good idea, just a bit of silver each would be quite a few quid for a worthy cause and also be some sort of good signal about the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 22, 2016, 06:14:30 PM
I'd rather someone chirp up and dob this idiot in. Somebody out there knows who it was.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 22, 2016, 07:46:02 PM
Some supporters need to be mindful after chucking seats last season too,  points deduction could hurt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 22, 2016, 08:47:48 PM
Some supporters need to be mindful after chucking seats last season too,  points deduction could hurt

Other sets of fans have done far, far worse and avoided points deductions.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on February 22, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
Some supporters need to be mindful after chucking seats last season too,  points deduction could hurt

Veela were chucking them at ours this season - brushed under the carpet their end. Perhaps because they invariably landed on their own. Also, anyone who was in the Millenium Corner against the Vile will have a smile on their face when vilers were giving us stick after this weekend's coin incident. They lobbed so many into us that day that I could have bought a shag from Agblongawhore's mum.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kev on February 22, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
To the people saying that collecting money in buckets for charity is excessive - i couldn't possibly disagree with the cause. What harm can be done? a Charity will receive a large donation, Brunt will see that the fans really do care and it will also help with the club's PR.

Very good idea and should be done imo
Care about what ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 22, 2016, 09:39:12 PM
To the people saying that collecting money in buckets for charity is excessive - i couldn't possibly disagree with the cause. What harm can be done? a Charity will receive a large donation, Brunt will see that the fans really do care and it will also help with the club's PR.

Very good idea and should be done imo

Agreed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on February 22, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
Chelsea fans threw coins against Man C despite winning 5-1 but there's no mention of it in the media because it's Chelsea!  I think people need to wise up to the fact the media hate us and will literally do anything to bully and belittle us.  Just accept it was 1 person and move on from the situation.  It's time to show some mental strength and let it wash over us.  All this talk of collection buckets and clapping for Brunt in the 11th minute or whatever is making us look totally soft!

This is football - a ruthless Sport with high emotion.  No amount of pandering can reverse the coin incident, what's done is done.  The offender will get the rightful punishment in time and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hardtobeat on February 22, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
There have been plenty of mentions of Chelskj incidents today even Ray Wilkins condemned them on SSN this morning !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 22, 2016, 11:46:57 PM
As i have said on here before, i support my own charities and won't be putting any money into any buckets, as much as i condemn what happened i think it's a bit over the top. I don't remember anyone shaking buckets in the 70s for Regis, Batson and Cunningham and look what they had to put up with week in week out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on February 23, 2016, 08:47:07 AM
https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/chris-brunt-appreciation-banner (https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/chris-brunt-appreciation-banner)

Just saw this on facebook. After £490 for a Chris Brunt banner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 23, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
Forget the bucket collection and the flag and just get behind the team ( that would make a refreshing change ). 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 23, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
Forget the bucket collection and the flag and just get behind the team ( that would make a refreshing change ).

Agreed, I understand the wanting to back him. But in my opinion the banner and buckets is over the top. Just sing the blokes name
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
Did i hear clapping on 11 minutes too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 23, 2016, 09:42:09 AM
Did i hear clapping on 11 minutes too

A banner, a collection, some singing and clapping on 11.

Where does it end? Good servant to the club I agree, but all this because of on one idiot. God knows what we would do if it happened to Berahino, a player that has thrown many a strop and we still get behind him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on February 23, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
I don't mind what we do to support Chris Brunt this weekend but just keep it to one match please!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 09:55:02 AM
I don't mind what we do to support Chris Brunt this weekend but just keep it to one match please!


i can cope with that but not clapping everygame on 11
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 23, 2016, 09:59:32 AM
Now hearing fans on facebook being asked to change their profile picture to one of Chris Brunt.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 23, 2016, 10:04:30 AM
Now hearing fans on facebook being asked to change their profile picture to one of Chris Brunt.

 :o The worlds gone mad
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: M666EYS on February 23, 2016, 10:09:35 AM
Just read on twitter a women going by name of baggiebird62 is having buckets around the ground and in pubs for people to "chuck" change into for it to go to charity of chris brunts choice.

This is a bit much IMO, yes it was wrong what the idiot done and hopefully he will get banned for life but doing this makes us seem small time IMO.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows this was a one off and done by one idiot, and will prob never happen again, do we need to make a big song and dance about it? No i dont think we do.

seems to be getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 10:09:37 AM
Now hearing fans on facebook being asked to change their profile picture to one of Chris Brunt.


mine is me and staying of me :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 23, 2016, 10:10:44 AM
This is all getting a bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 10:12:27 AM
what about northern Ireland flags :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 23, 2016, 10:15:14 AM
I think the charity collection is a good idea where everyone wins. Agree that the banner is over the top though and sends a weird counter message. Why not just invest the £500 to the charity of Chris Brunts choice rather than wasting it on a flag that is going to be used once?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggyman68 on February 23, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Now hearing fans on facebook being asked to change their profile picture to one of Chris Brunt.
He was hit by a coin ffs, which, although it shouldn't have happened, it wasn't a terrorsist act! What next? Je Sius Brunty?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 23, 2016, 10:16:37 AM
I think the charity collection is a good idea where everyone wins. Agree that the banner is over the top though and sends a weird counter message. Why not just invest the £500 to the charity of Chris Brunts choice rather than wasting it on a flag that is going to be used once?

Seems to be like we're just throwing money away....oh wait... :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on February 23, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
RIP Chris brunt didn't know he had passed away.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 23, 2016, 10:19:09 AM
what about northern Ireland flags :-X
No next it will be pictures of a 50p piece :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
He was hit by a coin ffs, which, although it shouldn't have happened, it wasn't a terrorsist act! What next? Je Sius Brunty?

 ;D ;D

Made me laugh anyway!

This is all getting out of hand now though.....I thought the collection was a bit much when all that was needed was the crowd to get behind him for the game and show support for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 23, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
;D ;D

Made me laugh anyway!

This is all getting out of hand now though.....I thought the collection was a bit much when all that was needed was the crowd to get behind him for the game and show support for him.
Totally agree.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 10:23:04 AM
No next it will be pictures of a 50p piece :-X

Surprised no one has mentioned anything about the Baggies Brick Road yet  :o :P ;).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kev on February 23, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Like a few on hear i think this is getting a bit silly all this link arms and show the world what great fans we are. The world and media have moved to the next story  and its only some of the fans who want to keep this going ..Time to move on ..
I really am struggling to see why we all have to stand and applause Chris Brunt what as he done ? Yes he had the guts to come over and clap the fans for parting with there hard earned cash to watch that dribble  and yes a nice gesture to give his shirt to someone its no cost to him but still a gesture
The only reward i think Chris will want is for the idiot who threw the coin to be caught and then  Chris if he wants  can press charges against him.  Im not going to applaud as a sign of saying sorry for some other prats actions.
 
If any clapping is to be done then before the game the team led by Tony Pulis should stand in front of us and applaud the fans to show there support for us the ones who help pay there wages and who have to watch the poor football.  Then maybe the team should throw some of there money into a bucket and let the fans decide what charity should have the money

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on February 23, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
The lad will be caught and banned for life, stupid mistake and one that he now regrets I'm sure, does not mean he has walked onto the pitch beheaded Chris brunt then preceded to assault he's family.

I feel sorry for brunt doesn't deserve that and he had the knackers to give he's shirt away to a little girl on front row didn't deserve getting a coin thrown at him.

However all of these collections and things are way to much these players still spectacularly bottled it Saturday and have no drive or ambition to get our club to the latter stages of the cup, unforgivable for me, less said about pulis the better to.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 23, 2016, 10:43:21 AM
Brunt desrrves to know that he is appreciated by us supporters. Anything that we can do to renforce this is a good thing in my view. He's been made a scapegoat on occassions over the years but I've always rated him as a true pro, a gent and a very good player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 23, 2016, 10:57:28 AM
It took a coin to hit him for some supporters to show appreciation to our longest serving player. This is what I don't like about this, all feels a bit fake and attention seeking.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
Sureprised that people organising a charity collection feels that it's a bit too much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on February 23, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
I think as a mark of respect TP should not play him out of position.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 23, 2016, 11:27:44 AM
Money to charity, good PR for the club and shows the player we appreciate him .
Can't see anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggyman68 on February 23, 2016, 11:34:42 AM
How about an Irish flag, with a 50p shape with Brunts face on it? Then we could clap on 11 minutes sing the lords my shepherd with "Brunt" instead of "Lord" and change the stripes to green and white!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 23, 2016, 11:40:06 AM
Money to charity, good PR for the club and shows the player we appreciate him .
Can't see anything wrong with it.

As somebody stated above, what would really be good PR for the club is if some of our players actually joined in with this charity drive being as they are the ones who earn up to 50 thousand pound every single week which we help pay for and lets face it, have been severely let down on the value for ticket money/entertainment front all season.

I may be proved wrong but somehow I cant really see it happening.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 11:46:14 AM
As somebody stated above, what would really be good PR for the club is if some of our players actually joined in with this charity drive being as they are the ones who earn up to 50 thousand pound every single week which we help pay for and lets face it, have been severely let down on the value for ticket money/entertainment front all season.

I may be proved wrong but somehow I cant really see it happening.

That's another misnoma.
We hardly contribute to the players wages.
Do you realise, if you had a season ticket for 50 years that you wouldn't have contributed to a players wage for a week?
Makes you think doesn't it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 23, 2016, 11:47:46 AM
As somebody stated above, what would really be good PR for the club is if some of our players actually joined in with this charity drive being as they are the ones who earn up to 50 thousand pound every single week which we help pay for and lets face it, have been severely let down on the value for ticket money/entertainment front all season.

I may be proved wrong but somehow I cant really see it happening.
Sky and other tv pays their wages not us with tickets, wouldn't hurt though !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 23, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
That's another misnoma.
We hardly contribute to the players wages.
Do you realise, if you had a season ticket for 50 years that you wouldn't have contributed to a players wage for a week?
Makes you think doesn't it?
jesus that's a frightening stat.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 23, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
I didnt say we are the only contributor or the main contributer, only that we do contribute which is true (even if its 0.1%) and so not misnomer. The sky money is also indirectly fan money lets not forget.

However the 50 year season ticket just helps prove my point that the players who earn such obsene amounts of money being involved with this charity collection would be good PR for the club and for football in general.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 12:17:41 PM
Looks like an arrest has been made

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/02/23/coin-thrown-at-albions-chris-brunt-police-make-arrest/?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Reading Fan on February 23, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
As a Reading fan, I just want to say that I’ve watched many Reading / West Bromwich Albion encounters down the years and the one thing that has struck me is that West Brom supporters are absolute class.

Before the game, the way you joined us in respect of our legendary record goalscorer Ron Blackman who sadly passed away this week, a player that I personally never saw play, was fantastic. You showed great respect.

I also remember when you played Pompey at the end of the 2004/5 season and you stayed up. You were on the pitch clapping and hugging the Pompey fans and you joined them in their stand. Pure class sharing those great moments with each other.

Contrast that with when we knocked Bradford out of the Cup quarter final last year and our fans were on the pitch. There was no hugging between our fans and Bradford fans. Only fighting. We ended up being fined by the FA.

I also remember playing you at the end of a season and you came in fancy dress with all your inflatables. The atmosphere was relaxed and very friendly and the banter was good.

It’s a shame that one idiot fan who throws a coin can tarnish the reputation of your fans because of the way the media will cover the story. But I only have good memories of West Brom fans and one idiot isn’t going to change that.

My little 6 year old boy loved your songs and on Sunday we were at the supermarket and he is singing Al-i-al-i-o, Al-i-al-i-o We’re the West Bromwich from the Black Country. He couldn’t get it out of his head all day. He was singing your fricking songs all Saturday night and all Sunday as well. I had to tell him to stop otherwise everyone’ll think he supports West Brom. Anyway, he didn’t stop he just got louder.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 12:49:00 PM
As a Reading fan, I just want to say that I’ve watched many Reading / West Bromwich Albion encounters down the years and the one thing that has struck me is that West Brom supporters are absolute class.

Before the game, the way you joined us in respect of our legendary record goalscorer Ron Blackman who sadly passed away this week, a player that I personally never saw play, was fantastic. You showed great respect.

I also remember when you played Pompey at the end of the 2004/5 season and you stayed up. You were on the pitch clapping and hugging the Pompey fans and you joined them in their stand. Pure class sharing those great moments with each other.

Contrast that with when we knocked Bradford out of the Cup quarter final last year and our fans were on the pitch. There was no hugging between our fans and Bradford fans. Only fighting. We ended up being fined by the FA.

I also remember playing you at the end of a season and you came in fancy dress with all your inflatables. The atmosphere was relaxed and very friendly and the banter was good.

It’s a shame that one idiot fan who throws a coin can tarnish the reputation of your fans because of the way the media will cover the story. But I only have good memories of West Brom fans and one idiot isn’t going to change that.

My little 6 year old boy loved your songs and on Sunday we were at the supermarket and he is singing Al-i-al-i-o, Al-i-al-i-o We’re the West Bromwich from the Black Country. He couldn’t get it out of his head all day. He was singing your fricking songs all Saturday night and all Sunday as well. I had to tell him to stop otherwise everyone’ll think he supports West Brom. Anyway, he didn’t stop he just got louder.

Send that boy a Baggies shirt  8) ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 12:55:09 PM

My little 6 year old boy loved your songs and on Sunday
we were at the supermarket and he is singing Al-i-al-i-o, Al-i-al-i-o We’re the West Bromwich from the Black Country. He couldn’t get it out of his head all day. He was singing your fricking songs all Saturday night and all Sunday as well. I had to tell him to stop otherwise everyone’ll think he supports West Brom. Anyway, he didn’t stop he just got louder.

Quality.
 :P.

Got some bad news for you though chap, once a Baggie always a Baggie.
COYB.
 8).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on February 23, 2016, 01:01:17 PM
Thames Valley police and Hampshire police involved together. That must mean the offender either resides or works in the Hampshire area.

Any Hampshire based baggies fancy ruling themselves out on here?  :-*
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
nice one Reading Fan. good luck for the rest of the season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
Thames Valley police and Hampshire police involved together. That must mean the offender either resides or works in the Hampshire area.


interesting indeed, could it be hes not an albion fan i wonder. if thats the case the onus would be on the ticket seller and who sold it to the seller etc
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 01:09:00 PM

interesting indeed, could it be hes not an albion fan i wonder. if thats the case the onus would be on the ticket seller and who sold it to the seller etc

I've been told of a couple of incidents of coins coming over from Reading supporters during the game, which has largely gone unreported.

However, the article goes onto state that Thames Valley Police were working in conjunction with WBA andReading .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 23, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
not necessarily from the area, it might be that he has been identified by WMP and sent to Thames Valley Police who have then arrested him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
Thames Valley police and Hampshire police involved together. That must mean the offender either resides or works in the Hampshire area.

Any Hampshire based baggies fancy ruling themselves out on here?  :-*

Not sure but don't the Thames Valley Police have to get involved because it's on their patch?
I would imagine the WMP had some input if the arrest was made locally
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 23, 2016, 01:30:35 PM
Not sure but don't the Thames Valley Police have to get involved because it's on their patch?
I would imagine the WMP had some input if the arrest was made locally

Yes, as it happened in their jurisdiction and any court case will also be heard in Reading.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 23, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-police-arrest-connection-10936631

Arrest
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 23, 2016, 01:59:32 PM
6am raid no doubt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 23, 2016, 02:38:33 PM
Bailed by all accounts and further arrests to be made by all accounts.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 23, 2016, 03:20:34 PM
I think as a mark of respect TP should not play him out of position.

Come on mate that's a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 23, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
I think as a mark of respect TP should not play him out of position.

TP shouldn't play him at LB on Saturday if we want to stand any chance of winning. Zaha will tear him a new one yet again. He should be competing with McLean for the LM spot only.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2016, 06:05:19 PM
Club getting behind Brunt with programme cover and support for charity collection. Not sure people realise how bad this was for the clubs image.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2016, 06:33:15 PM
Club getting behind Brunt with programme cover and support for charity collection. Not sure people realise how bad this was for the clubs image.
Nor me, I think the "everyone knows it's just one knucklehead" is trying to gloss over it a bit.  The picture that was published shows a bunch of fans screaming right in front of a little girl.  It may have only been one person throwing it but it rubs off on all of us.  Anything we can do restore our image is a good thing, even if some think collecting for charity is going a bit far.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiesboots on February 23, 2016, 07:09:01 PM
I think as a mark of respect TP should not play him out of position.
:o.  :o  In pure football terms he's not good enough at LM or LB anymore, so respect isn't an issue, I respect him, and his achievements for us in the past, but he's just another one of our squad who simply should've been moved on by now. He'll get mullered again Sat at LB and will do so as long a TP is in charge.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 23, 2016, 07:18:15 PM
How about an Irish flag, with a 50p shape with Brunts face on it? Then we could clap on 11 minutes sing the lords my shepherd with "Brunt" instead of "Lord" and change the stripes to green and white!

Putting Brunt's head on an Irish flag might infuriate him more than having 50p thrown at him  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 23, 2016, 07:33:25 PM
Club getting behind Brunt with programme cover and support for charity collection. Not sure people realise how bad this was for the clubs image.
what about the clubs image we've now got because of pulis.
didn't think you cared what people thought of WBA, didn't you say its being insecure about oneself ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 23, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Not that I'm against donating, charities need all they can get, I think it's a shame that it's taken the incident on Saturday to spark this reaction.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BobTaylor on February 23, 2016, 08:00:46 PM
what about the clubs image we've now got because of pulis.
didn't think you cared what people thought of WBA, didn't you say its being insecure about oneself ?

I remember that, whoops.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on February 23, 2016, 08:01:16 PM
Has everyone saw the banner that has been made..? A bit cringe imo
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2016, 08:17:55 PM
what about the clubs image we've now got because of pulis.
didn't think you cared what people thought of WBA, didn't you say its being insecure about oneself ?

I don't fella, the club does however, and as I've previously stated this one incident has caused more damage to the club's reputation than 20 years of Tony Pulis' playing style would.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 23, 2016, 08:59:19 PM
Has everyone saw the banner that has been made..? A bit cringe imo

Absolutely. Anyone would think he'd been shot!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Blowee on February 23, 2016, 09:39:50 PM
If there's to be a charity collection just don't let Chris Brunt hold the bucket! 😋
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Reading Fan on February 24, 2016, 09:51:46 AM
I don't fella, the club does however, and as I've previously stated this one incident has caused more damage to the club's reputation than 20 years of Tony Pulis' playing style would.

I don't think so you know. I think your reputation is very much intact. Remember this is an isolated incident. It was just one person. The fact that you dealt with this guy straight away says alot more positive things about your reputation than negative. It seems that the coin thrower took a bit of a pasting from the good Albion fans and that says that you don't tolerate this kind of behaviour. The fans around him certainly made it clear that they weren't happy with what he'd done.

When we were driving away from the ground there were 4 police cars racing in the opposite direction back to the ground. So we knew something was going down.

I think you have some of the best fans in the game. That is my experience anyway of Reading/Albion games. I remember a game between Reading and Albion back in the 80s. I was just a kid and I think you were going for promotion. It was the old second division. Reading were at the old Elm Park and you brought a massive contingent down for the match on a Tuesday night. Albion just had the look of a big club about it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 24, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
I don't think so you know. I think your reputation is very much intact. Remember this is an isolated incident. It was just one person. The fact that you dealt with this guy straight away says alot more positive things about your reputation than negative. It seems that the coin thrower took a bit of a pasting from the good Albion fans and that says that you don't tolerate this kind of behaviour. The fans around him certainly made it clear that they weren't happy with what he'd done.

When we were driving away from the ground there were 4 police cars racing in the opposite direction back to the ground. So we knew something was going down.

I think you have some of the best fans in the game. That is my experience anyway of Reading/Albion games. I remember a game between Reading and Albion back in the 80s. I was just a kid and I think you were going for promotion. It was the old second division. Reading were at the old Elm Park and you brought a massive contingent down for the match on a Tuesday night. Albion just had the look of a big club about it.

Chap come and be a Baggie mate we could do with more fans like you ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2016, 09:24:21 PM
I don't think so you know. I think your reputation is very much intact. Remember this is an isolated incident. It was just one person. The fact that you dealt with this guy straight away says alot more positive things about your reputation than negative. It seems that the coin thrower took a bit of a pasting from the good Albion fans and that says that you don't tolerate this kind of behaviour. The fans around him certainly made it clear that they weren't happy with what he'd done.

When we were driving away from the ground there were 4 police cars racing in the opposite direction back to the ground. So we knew something was going down.

I think you have some of the best fans in the game. That is my experience anyway of Reading/Albion games. I remember a game between Reading and Albion back in the 80s. I was just a kid and I think you were going for promotion. It was the old second division. Reading were at the old Elm Park and you brought a massive contingent down for the match on a Tuesday night. Albion just had the look of a big club about it.

Nice sentiments mate and no doubt the wider football community understands it was an isolated incident. BUT to my knowledge no Premier League footballer has ever been hit by a missile thrown by his own fans while trying to interact with a child. The incident made front and back page national news and was picked up internationally online. Many people who have heard about this incident are not sage long term football supporters such as yourself and many of my fellow posters and therein lies the problem for the FC.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba_jd26 on February 24, 2016, 10:08:18 PM
While our fans have recieved a really bad name for this incident i'd like to point out that outside the ground a motorcyclist had come off his bike and several albion fans (and reading I might add) went to his aid. This sums up the Albion support for me far more than one idiot who cant handle his beer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieBrainy on February 25, 2016, 02:08:17 PM
Peace is furious with brunty, because he didn't give him the 50p at the end of the game.

 :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 25, 2016, 02:16:09 PM
has it been confimed he who threw the coin is an albion supporter, just asking
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WestBromJim on February 25, 2016, 05:43:12 PM
has it been confimed he who threw the coin is an albion supporter, just asking

I don't think so, as far as I know one person has been arrested, and bailed, but that may be for general disorder rather than the actual incident, I think various OB are still looking to make further arrests.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 25, 2016, 09:34:14 PM
has it been confimed he who threw the coin is an albion supporter, just asking

Well if it wasn't then a season ticket holder got them a ticket as it was definitely thrown from our end. Hopefully after this Saturday we can all put it behind us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on February 25, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Chris Brunt seems to shrug the event off now on the latest interview released by Albion and saying wants to forget about it and move on. I think he's being a bit ungrateful to the folk making the effort for this weekend. Plus he said the players are giving him a bit of stick about the love in. It really is us V them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Legend on February 25, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Chris Brunt seems to shrug the event off now on the latest interview released by Albion and saying wants to forget about it and move on. I think he's being a bit ungrateful to the folk making the effort for this weekend. Plus he said the players are giving him a bit of stick about the love in. It really is us V them.

Even the players are laughing about how over the top some fans are going.  :-[
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 25, 2016, 09:57:20 PM
Lets be honest as good as supporters intentions are if you were in his position you would just want to move on from it as soon as possible and just get on with your job.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on February 25, 2016, 10:25:32 PM
I think Brunt has dealt with the whole incident in a very professional manner. The collection and banner although with good intention is a bit cringe worthy IMO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
so the alledged coin thrower is from Dingle territory(shropshire), wasnt he wearing a gold jacket
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on February 26, 2016, 01:57:53 PM
so the alledged coin thrower is from Dingle territory(shropshire), wasnt he wearing a gold jacket

I live in Shropshire and I'm not a dingle and know quite a lot of Albion supporters in Shropshire, just because he is from our beautiful county doesn't necessarily mean he is a dingle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 26, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Even the players are laughing about how over the top some fans are going.  :-[

No surprise really is it? An over the top reaction to one mindless idiot.

I'm sure the people have all the best will in the world, but a collection and a banner....give it a rest.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 02:23:50 PM
Yeah, horrible having a charity collection.  Still, it's only one mindless idiot organising it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:27:19 PM
If Brunt hadnt had a coin thrown at him would a charity collection have been done?? No there wouldnt have been, I think its a bit over the top myself to be honest

Im not a great fan of giving money to charity anyway having seen where the majority of it goes when it reaches them.

Its a noble thing for someone to do though I wont take that away from them but its not for me

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
Just seems a bit callous to complain about a charity collection.  Of all the things we can complain about at the moment...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on February 26, 2016, 02:44:52 PM
Just seems a bit callous to complain about a charity collection.  Of all the things we can complain about at the moment...

It's just over the top in my opinion. Just sing the blokes name, thats enough.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
It's just over the top in my opinion. Just sing the blokes name, thats enough.

Thats what I think fella.

No need for a banner, collection and clapping him on 11 minutes....

I wonder if the person who either threw the coin, or those who knew who threw the coin will be there Saturday partaking in all 3? For me a better use of their time would be to tell the police who it was rather than scrubbing guilt by giving to charity.

Like I said its a noble thing to do a charity collection but its not for me, I wouldnt ever question someone elses want to give though thats a personal choice
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gavinrussell on February 26, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
Thats what I think fella.

No need for a banner, collection and clapping him on 11 minutes....

I wonder if the person who either threw the coin, or those who knew who threw the coin will be there Saturday partaking in all 3? For me a better use of their time would be to tell the police who it was rather than scrubbing guilt by giving to charity.

Like I said its a noble thing to do a charity collection but its not for me, I wouldnt ever question someone elses want to give though thats a personal choice
We may not have agreed on the Pulis thread but totally with you on this..
A collection is an interesting choice and noble like you say..but a rousing reception ..a banner and chanting his name would be far applicable in my book..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Beefy on February 26, 2016, 03:04:23 PM
A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said: "A 17-year-old male from Shropshire has been arrested on suspicion of assault (ABH) and throwing a missile in a football playing area

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/818292004?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 26, 2016, 03:05:09 PM
I live in Shropshire and I'm not a dingle and know quite a lot of Albion supporters in Shropshire, just because he is from our beautiful county doesn't necessarily mean he is a dingle.


Didnt mean to cause offence mate, adding two and two and getting 5. gold jacket concerned me, i couldnt wear gold
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on February 26, 2016, 10:09:09 PM

Didnt mean to cause offence mate, adding two and two and getting 5. gold jacket concerned me, i couldnt wear gold

That's no problem Devon, no offence caused, I agree that I couldn't wear gold to a baggies match either. People were saying that it wasn't the kid in the gold or yellow jacket, so was it him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 26, 2016, 10:21:37 PM
Must be from Telford! :o :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggy nerd on February 27, 2016, 08:19:47 PM
On crutches.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2016, 08:20:37 PM
Looked like a cruciate ligament.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
Looked like a cruciate ligament.
is that normally a 6 month lay off, hope not for brunty especially with the euros.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KYA on February 27, 2016, 08:30:06 PM
Gutted for Brunty with the  euros which would be the pinnacle of his career.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 27, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Had Zaha in his pocket too. Hopefully he makes the Euro's.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 27, 2016, 08:38:29 PM
is that normally a 6 month lay off, hope not for brunty especially with the euros.
Depends which part of the knee it is , one is 10 months the other is about 5/6 months .
Praying its just a bad twist , looked worse though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 27, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
Had Zaha in his pocket too. Hopefully he makes the Euro's.

With massive help from Gardner, was a team effort.  ;)

Never been his biggest fan but sickening to see him go off on a stretcher and I hope its not going to keep him out of the Euros
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on February 27, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
A very good win against a side that was even with us on points but watching Brunty get stretchered off the pitch took a lot of the joy and excitement id normally have from a win. Feel terrible for him and hope it's not as bad as we all think it is!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnthebaggie on February 27, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
Hope it's not too serious, both for him and the club, he looked in agony when he went off so it doesn't look good.

If it is a cruciate, he will do well to recover, these type of injuries can wreck a career.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: swad35 on February 28, 2016, 12:58:46 AM
Feel for the bloke especially with the euros. My respect lifted slightly for some of the palace players, when he was obviously in pain and the extent of his injury was realised Cabaye was showing a lot of concern for him, probably because of his previous knee injuries and Adebeyor went over to give him his best.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kie the baggie on February 28, 2016, 10:10:11 AM
Looked more of a jar than a twist I think/hope he should be ok in a couple of months
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2016, 10:12:37 AM
Stan Collymore, still there for talksport, said he'd left the ground on crutches.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 10:17:12 AM
Stan Collymore, still there for talksport, said he'd left the ground on crutches.
That is normal though , be a few days before they can find out the level of damage.
Fingers crossed , at least the knee didn't buckle fully like Thorne's at Everton that night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 28, 2016, 01:36:05 PM
As it wasn't in heavy contact it was only his own weight, so hopefully a tear or strain not a rupture if its the ligament.  Probably season ending either way, and what a shame if he misses the euros.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 29, 2016, 02:59:26 PM
terrible for him if he misses the euros
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 29, 2016, 03:17:11 PM
Seeing a knee specialist tomorrow.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
Is no news good news! :-\
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 02, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
any news ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 03, 2016, 07:01:58 AM
any news ?

Reported in the Mirror this morning that he has cruciate ligament damage and will miss out on the Euros.
Devastating news for the lad.
Get well soon Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 03, 2016, 09:57:03 AM
very sad news indeed for the lad, i suspect he wont get another international major competition finals opportunity
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on March 03, 2016, 10:13:56 AM
Gutted for him if true  :'(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
Why the delay in confirmation ?

Terrible luck if true.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BelfastBaggie on March 03, 2016, 12:48:03 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-albion-chris-brunt-surgery-knee-six-months-2986369.aspx

Confirmed on the OS. Out for 6 months.

Devastated for him. And a big blow for Northern Ireland, not to mention the Albion. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2016, 12:48:24 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35715980 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35715980)

Nothing yet from Albion or NI. Story based on a quote from Jonas Olsson.

edit. Just seen BB's post.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 03, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
We'll miss him. Still our best crosser of the ball, and one of our best footballers in terms of technical ability.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2016, 12:58:12 PM
Terrible shame for hm to miss the Euro's.

All of the very best to Chris Brunt as he begins his road to recovery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 03, 2016, 01:30:06 PM
Gutted for a wonderful professional, anyone know how I can send him a message of support? the lad must be devastated.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: koren on March 03, 2016, 01:30:30 PM
A sad news for both the club and himself...Will miss him surely, wish him all the best for his rehab period.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 03, 2016, 01:31:45 PM
its on SSN now.........gutted for him. he's a big loss for us and norn iron !!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 03, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
West Brom midfielder Chris Brunt will be out for six months with a serious knee injury - ruling him out of Northern Ireland's Euro 2016 campaign.

The 31-year-old was carried off on Saturday after landing awkwardly in the first half of Albion's 3-2 win over Crystal Palace.

Scans showed he ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee and he underwent surgery to repair the damage on Thursday, meaning he will miss the rest of the Barclays Premier League season as well as the summer's European Championships.

West Brom boss Tony Pulis told the club's official site: "It's a big blow for Chris and everyone is feeling for him right now.

"It will be disappointing for us not to have him for the rest of the season because he is a terrific player who gives the team great balance.

"But obviously it is made even more cruel because it has denied him a career highlight with Northern Ireland this summer."

Brunt, who had his surgery in Lyon, has 54 caps for Northern Ireland and will miss their games against Poland, Ukraine and Germany in France.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on March 03, 2016, 01:40:23 PM
Really feel for the bloke hearing this.

An absolutely tragedy for us as a club but also for him and Northern Ireland. Will miss the biggest opportunity of his international career and that is devastating

Hope you have a quick recovery Brunty all the best too him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gavinrussell on March 03, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
Sport can be cruel..top servant for us and his country...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 03, 2016, 03:17:37 PM
He'll be devastated at missing the Euros :( Not the best couple of weeks for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 03, 2016, 03:47:45 PM
was it just bad luck, pitch?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
was it just bad luck, pitch?

Sly pull back from Zaha. Gutted for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on March 03, 2016, 04:07:31 PM
Gutted for Brunty.

A real top pro and the type of player and bloke who would of deserved the chance to play at a major tournament.

Obviously he was very well paid for it but he stayed with us for nearly 10 years and he must do something right because Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke, Mel, Irvine and Pulis have all made him a regular in their teams.

Was talking to a bloke at a meeting about it just (he was a Liverpool fan, right k**b) and he couldnt understand why i was gutted for Brunt, he said he gets paid lots of money anyway and i think sometimes people forget footballers are humans, the Euro's would of been a highlight for him as a player and a person.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2016, 05:45:27 PM
was it just bad luck, pitch?
Bad luck - Zaha did next to nothing and similar things happen in terms of comings together many times during a game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on March 03, 2016, 06:13:02 PM
It's such a shame and I feel really bad for him. It's going to be a tough summer rehabbing the knee while missing out on the opportunity of playing for his Country in such a tournament like the Euros. Hope he has a smooth recovery from this!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 03, 2016, 06:47:43 PM
I feel sorry for him, awful shame he as got to miss the euros. Hope he makes a full recovery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KYA on March 03, 2016, 07:10:00 PM
Terrible for Brunt he will miss the highlight of his career, hope he makes a full recovery top bloke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 03, 2016, 08:24:47 PM
Gutted for him, true professional
It's been an eventful few days for him  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jimmy on March 03, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
Wouldnt blame him if he packed it all in this week, terrible turn of events.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on March 03, 2016, 08:30:56 PM
Gutted for him! The only consolation he has that is he helped NI to get there! wishing you a speedy recovery Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 03, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
I hope he recovers. A lot of players aren't same after this type of injury. Shame he will miss the tournament not sure I see northen Ireland qualifying for the World Cup. Gutted for him. Hope he gets to play a part next ur at for his testimonial year
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on March 03, 2016, 09:34:14 PM
How devastating for Brunty! Big loss for us and NI. It must be hard for him during recovery watching it all play out in front of him.

Wishing you a speedy recovery Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 22, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35872570

Chris Brunt invited to join Northern Ireland's Euro 2016 party
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 22, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Nice touch, he deserves it  :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on April 01, 2016, 03:27:39 PM
The young lad who's life has been made hell by accusations following the incident at Reading by many website, people and newspapers has been cleared of the incident by Police. Some people need to hang their heads in shame !! I'm all for justice but not mob-justice
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on April 01, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
The young lad who's life has been made hell by accusations following the incident at Reading by many website, people and newspapers has been cleared of the incident by Police. Some people need to hang their heads in shame !! I'm all for justice but not mob-justice

Just seen this on facebook, glad the lad has been cleared of this.

As someone else said on facebook I would be asking my lawyers for damages from the newspapers
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Greenock Baggie on April 01, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
Just seen this on facebook, glad the lad has been cleared of this.

As someone else said on facebook I would be asking my lawyers for damages from the newspapers
Whats galling is not 1 person who was quick enough to go after the kid has the b*****x to admit they were wrong !!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2016, 08:54:24 PM
Whats galling is not 1 person who was quick enough to go after the kid has the b*****x to admit they were wrong !!
Don't agree with public vote/mob rule, but being cleared doesn't mean he never did it?
OJ was cleared, so was John Terry
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on April 01, 2016, 09:00:24 PM
Don't agree with public vote/mob rule, but being cleared doesn't mean he never did it?
OJ was cleared, so was John Terry

Bu when he is cleared and the Police are looking for the actual person who did it means he didnt do it...

There are any lads from off this board who know him and have vouched for his innocence in this matter
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
Bu when he is cleared and the Police are looking for the actual person who did it means he didnt do it...

There are any lads from off this board who know him and have vouched for his innocence in this matter
It may mean many things

And we shouldn't use public character references, and complain about public hanging?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on April 01, 2016, 10:17:04 PM
He has been given a youth caution. Does that not mean he's guilty of the said crime? If you're arrested but they got the wrong person, you are released, not given a caution.

Can anyone explain it? Brunt was arguing with the lad so surely brunt would have looked at pics/ccTV and told them who it was? I don't really understand what I'm reading.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 01, 2016, 11:32:11 PM
He has been given a youth caution. Does that not mean he's guilty of the said crime? If you're arrested but they got the wrong person, you are released, not given a caution.

Can anyone explain it? Brunt was arguing with the lad so surely brunt would have looked at pics/ccTV and told them who it was? I don't really understand what I'm reading.

He was let off the coin throwing assault charge due to lack of evidence, as in, the police couldn't conclusively prove it was him that definitely through the coin. It does not mean he definitely didn't do it either as many on here are claiming.

Im guessing Brunt was fairly confident it was him who threw it, hence the arguing and the persons caution for threatening language, but when it becomes his word vs the 17 year olds, its not enough for a conviction. This is assuming that Brunt would want to press charges and all of his behaviour since would suggest that he wanted to put the whole incident behind him as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on April 01, 2016, 11:37:46 PM
He has been given a youth caution. Does that not mean he's guilty of the said crime? If you're arrested but they got the wrong person, you are released, not given a caution.

Can anyone explain it? Brunt was arguing with the lad so surely brunt would have looked at pics/ccTV and told them who it was? I don't really understand what I'm reading.
Caution given in relation to using threatening words which would have been a different offence to the coin throwing one
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on April 02, 2016, 01:05:38 PM
Fair enough, so why hasn't brunt been done too? He was offering the lad out.

The whole incident is ridiculous. It's funny how ccTV was used at our ground to punish fans who sang Chelsea Rent Boys, but the ccTV at their ground failed to capture someone making a sudden throwing movement. What good is it then?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 02, 2016, 01:27:59 PM
He got a caution, he was behaving in a threatening manner, clearly not an innocent which ever way you cut it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on April 02, 2016, 01:49:54 PM
Fair enough, so why hasn't brunt been done too? He was offering the lad out.

The whole incident is ridiculous. It's funny how ccTV was used at our ground to punish fans who sang Chelsea Rent Boys, but the ccTV at their ground failed to capture someone making a sudden throwing movement. What good is it then?
Nothing came of it. It's fairly common for a large number of criminals to get away with their crimes due to insufficient evidence. Even if you're 90% sure they're guilty, it needs to be more than that to convict someone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
Brunt running today for the first time after his injury. Brilliant news. Hopefully he'll be ready for August.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on June 10, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
Brunt running today for the first time after his injury. Brilliant news. Hopefully he'll be ready for August.
hopefully hes fit but not in the first 11 we need better now
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
hopefully hes fit but not in the first 11 we need better now

Straight back in for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2016, 11:12:42 PM
Late September would be my guess - I doubt he'll be running up the Austrian hills....but time will tell obviously. Fully fit he starts at LB with our current squad.
 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2016, 06:18:46 AM
He's the best we've got in that position, there is better out there if we want to pay the going rate.
Pace has never been a part of his game, brains has.
I'd say keep him there and use the funds in other areas
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on June 11, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
He was poor at times at LB last season so I'd hope he'd be looking for an upgrade. If we wish to improve then we need pace and energy on the flanks so I don't see where he fits in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 11, 2016, 11:22:28 AM
He was poor at times at LB last season so I'd hope he'd be looking for an upgrade. If we wish to improve then we need pace and energy on the flanks so I don't see where he fits in.

All about the squad evolving, I have no worries that he will still be reliable when called upon but we should be aiming to improve on him. I'm not sure where I see him fitting in for a regular starting place.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on June 11, 2016, 12:07:18 PM
Straight back in for me.

At left back? Just curious where you see him in the team nowadays mate. For me he has to play left back unless we get someone else in, we can't keep shifting Evans out there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 11, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
I would probably play him further up the field, wide on the left or maybe further in field. 

He would be a good cover as left back but I feel we need a new conventional/traditional left back.

I like him. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tylerm on June 11, 2016, 10:28:55 PM
I would probably play him further up the field, wide on the left or maybe further in field. 

He would be a good cover as left back but I feel we need a new conventional/traditional left back.

I like him.

I agree.I think he is too slow to be a winger now but after watching James McClean all season ........
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on June 11, 2016, 11:14:08 PM
Problem with Brunt is that he's far too old to be starting up the pitch, even though he is naturally better there.

He's only 31 but has aged poorly probably due to lots of games during his career.
Anyway, moving him further back was a smart short-term move, because he didn't have the stamina to go up and down the pitch like most wingers do. However, he isn't that great at left-back either, so I would mostly use him as a sub in the attacking wing position, or as cover for left-back next season, that is the ideal scenario as he is still useful, but should definitely be playing less these days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 11, 2016, 11:21:47 PM
First choice left back or left midfielder depending where he wants to play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 12, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
First choice left back or left midfielder depending where he wants to play.
Maybe just at the moment.

So you wouldn't try and get a better left back and left midfielder?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on June 12, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
First choice left back or left midfielder depending where he wants to play.

He's not very good at LB though and we are desperate for pace on the flanks. We won't improve without this. Theres no guarantee that he'll be the same player after this injury either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on June 12, 2016, 05:22:39 PM
Just heard him do a piece to camera on bbc1 before the n.i. match,he speaks well.
Good luck to him in his recovery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on June 12, 2016, 06:00:40 PM
Yes very comfortable in front of the camera, can see a broadcasting career for Chris when the time comes
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on June 12, 2016, 06:27:40 PM
First choice left back or left midfielder depending where he wants to play.
didn't realise it was his choice to make. :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 12, 2016, 06:32:17 PM
didn't realise it was his choice to make. :)

Still one of our best players... give him free reign  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2016, 06:41:46 PM
Still one of our best players... give him free reign  :P
I swear I posted on here before the Man U 5-5 that we should try hi at lb , now I think he is a little exposed and wouldn't start for me at lb or lm
However
Tucked inside the left winger in a 352 , he could still have a future .
I'd be looking to sell this summer
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on June 12, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Bench or squad player to fill in if need be, time has come to improve, need new left back and left wing to improve the team we can not stand still anymore,
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on June 12, 2016, 11:15:28 PM
Still one of our best players... give him free reign  :P
No he aint, not a chance!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 13, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
With the best will in the world Brunt is 31 coming back from a serious injury and has one year left on his contract and I cannot make a case for building around him long term. However I would much rather see him on the pitch  than McClean and as such I hope we bring in a replacement for him at left back this summer use him in midfield this year and see where we are at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on June 13, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
With the best will in the world Brunt is 31 coming back from a serious injury and has one year left on his contract and I cannot make a case for building around him long term. However I would much rather see him on the pitch  than McClean and as such I hope we bring in a replacement for him at left back this summer use him in midfield this year and see where we are at the end of the season.

Lets assume we bring in a new RM and use Brunt on the left. This is hardly going to improve us. We need a massive overhaul of the attacking area. 2 x new wingers and someone to replace Morrison. Brunt will be an excellent back up for both LB & LM positions. As you say it's a serious injury and make well have taken it's toll on him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mikkyk on June 13, 2016, 10:15:10 AM
Is he worth a shot in centre mid? I remember a few years back he had a run of games in the middle of the pitch and seemed to do ok.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on June 13, 2016, 10:23:48 AM
Is he worth a shot in centre mid? I remember a few years back he had a run of games in the middle of the pitch and seemed to do ok.

Square peg in a round hole sorrow that would be a no from me mucka. Its a new midfield general we need a Joe Allan type.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 13, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
Is he worth a shot in centre mid? I remember a few years back he had a run of games in the middle of the pitch and seemed to do ok.

I was thinking the same thing. I see no reason why he can't adapt his game to that role; as he has been mostly decent at left back (although does switch off at times) so switching roles isn't beyond him and we could do with set piece delivery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on June 13, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
Who have people been watching his Premiership career is over and only sentiment remains for a loyal servent.
Time to say Good bye and thank you Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 13, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
Is he worth a shot in centre mid? I remember a few years back he had a run of games in the middle of the pitch and seemed to do ok.

If he is playing in the centre, then it's a role people are terming 'quarterback', where he sits there and sprays passes about. Might work in some teams, but I would suggest Pulis would prefer another Gardner.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 13, 2016, 12:58:41 PM
If he is playing in the centre, then it's a role people are terming 'quarterback', where he sits there and sprays passes about. Might work in some teams, but I would suggest Pulis would prefer another Gardner.
isnt that essentially what Fletcher does?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 13, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
isnt that essentially what Fletcher does?

Yeah, except Brunt doesn't shout enough at his teammates for some people. And he's a better passer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on June 13, 2016, 01:09:36 PM
We are desperate for a complete overhaul in midfield. To suggest Brunt moves to the centre is ludicrous. He went in there in the past for a few games and it didn't work. We need pace and energy in there. Neither Fletcher, Brunt or Gardner should be in there for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2016, 02:43:33 PM
Foster, Evans, Yacob, Rondon, arguably Saido, Brunt is our next best player, he'll be in the team when fit next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 13, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
Foster, Evans, Yacob, Rondon, arguably Saido, Brunt is our next best player, he'll be in the team when fit next season.

I actually agree but for me it just highlights how poor the rest of our squad is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on June 13, 2016, 03:05:18 PM
Foster, Evans, Yacob, Rondon, arguably Saido, Brunt is our next best player, he'll be in the team when fit next season.

Where would you play Brunt, Jacko, if you were boss?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2016, 03:11:06 PM
Where would you play Brunt, Jacko, if you were boss?

Ideally left midfield, but in the current squad left back so Evans doesn't get shunted out there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 13, 2016, 09:40:09 PM
Where would you play Brunt, Jacko, if you were boss?
Irrelevant, we would be in the conference :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 11:04:48 AM
Fantastic news with Brunty due to make his return in the reserves next week. Our much talked about run of 15 games and 1 win has coincided almost exactly with his injury.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on September 16, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
Fantastic news with Brunty due to make his return in the reserves next week. Our much talked about run of 15 games and 1 win has coincided almost exactly with his injury.

If you ask people though they dont rate him.

I feel we have missed him more than we miss Morrison.
Very under rated player for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on September 16, 2016, 12:05:39 PM
If you ask people though they dont rate him.

I feel we have missed him more than we miss Morrison.
Very under rated player for us.

We do indeed miss him, he is about the only one who can split a defence. Hopefully he is not played at left back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on September 16, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
We do indeed miss him, he is about the only one who can split a defence. Hopefully he is not played at left back

I agree but he'll be back in there assuming Chadli stays on the left. Galloway looked very shaky last week. Technically one of our best players but the fact we are pinning our hopes on him and Morrison returning says a lot about how the squad has regressed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Morany on September 16, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
I agree but he'll be back in there assuming Chadli stays on the left. Galloway looked very shaky last week. Technically one of our best players but the fact we are pinning our hopes on him and Morrison returning says a lot about how the squad has regressed.

Bang on, we should be developing over time, not stagnating.

I'd have him infront of Galloway with Chadli behind the striker
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on September 16, 2016, 12:37:29 PM
Bang on, we should be developing over time, not stagnating.

I'd have him infront of Galloway with Chadli behind the striker

Exactly, Brunt will offer enough assistance at the back aswell as contributing going forward.

Phillips Chadli Brunt as a three I would be happy with.

That being said, hes probably a good 3-4 weeks from being 'match fit.'
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2016, 12:49:19 PM
That being said, hes probably a good 3-4 weeks from being 'match fit.'
And the rest I would imagine - players who had a pre-season have been declared as not being fit enough in recent weeks!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on September 16, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
One of my all time favourite Albion players, great club man and servant,plays anywhere asked without complaint, his goals and assists down the years have been season defining not match defining.
Regulary named as the player who covers the most ground and completes the most passes in a game, and even rated top left back in Europe on several occasions on the day, even though he's not a left back.
Funnily enough people who dislike him probably rated Andy Johnson, and i can't think of a single stand out moment in Andy Johnson,s Albion career, apart from getting kicked up in the air at Bramhall Lane.
Andy Johnson great free kicks? Andy Johnson great goals? Andy Johnson great assists. Andy Johnson playing in most outfield positions?

People need to get off Brunts back and realise what a diamond he has been for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on September 16, 2016, 02:11:45 PM
If you ask people though they dont rate him.

I feel we have missed him more than we miss Morrison.
Very under rated player for us.


I think we really miss the pair of them. They are both big players for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: socalbaggie on September 16, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Fantastic news with Brunty due to make his return in the reserves next week. Our much talked about run of 15 games and 1 win has coincided almost exactly with his injury.
I don't post a lot but I'm here visiting the site numerous times a day reading up on any recent messages posted since I was last on. So when I read the Birmingham Mail artjcle where TP reveals Brunty is going to get some match time in a under 23's match next week I knew Jacko that you would have already posted a comment about it as I think your the only one on this site who may be as happy as I was to see that he is getting some match time and that his full return is right around the corner!! It really gutted me to see him go down with that knee injury but I'm thrilled to see hes almost back!! I'm not saying Brunt can't do no wrong but the criticism is so over the top most times and it's nice to see your posts in his defense! Without a doubt he is missed and the sooner he is fit the better off Albion will be!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 16, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
Fantastic news with Brunty due to make his return in the reserves next week. Our much talked about run of 15 games and 1 win has coincided almost exactly with his injury.

Key part of that being coincided.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
Key part of that being coincided.

Indeed most of it also coincided with us being safe  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 16, 2016, 03:47:01 PM
Criminally underrated by some. Get back soon Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 16, 2016, 03:58:32 PM
Where does he fit in though now? Hasn't got the pace to play out wide and surely Galloway is going to be first choice left back?
I'm not anti Brunt at all just not sure where he will play.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on September 16, 2016, 04:47:54 PM
One of my all time favourite Albion players, great club man and servant,plays anywhere asked without complaint, his goals and assists down the years have been season defining not match defining.
Regulary named as the player who covers the most ground and completes the most passes in a game, and even rated top left back in Europe on several occasions on the day, even though he's not a left back.
Funnily enough people who dislike him probably rated Andy Johnson, and i can't think of a single stand out moment in Andy Johnson,s Albion career, apart from getting kicked up in the air at Bramhall Lane.
Andy Johnson great free kicks? Andy Johnson great goals? Andy Johnson great assists. Andy Johnson playing in most outfield positions?

People need to get off Brunts back and realise what a diamond he has been for us.
What a very odd thing to say !! How on earth did you reach this conclusion?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 16, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
Where does he fit in though now? Hasn't got the pace to play out wide and surely Galloway is going to be first choice left back?
I'm not anti Brunt at all just not sure where he will play.
seeing as we tend to go over the top anyway, his lack of pace is not as important. If he plays wide left it allows Galloway the freedom to push up and moves Chadli to the centre, which gives us a fast and talented method of moving through the middle. Also gives us another body to aim for in the centre as you have two tall players in Rondon and Chadli for crosses. At left back it's the same as now but more long crosses and diagonal balls than crosses from the byline.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2016, 08:48:50 PM
Fantastic news with Brunty due to make his return in the reserves next week. Our much talked about run of 15 games and 1 win has coincided almost exactly with his injury.
That's interesting
When anybody mentioned that run, you said it didn't count because the matches weren't important, now BRUNTYS back , to save us from this horrendous run , that now matters....but didn't before
Very strange?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Plastic Paddy on September 17, 2016, 11:37:59 AM
Bang on, we should be developing over time, not stagnating.

I'd have him infront of Galloway with Chadli behind the striker

100% agree. Rondon would also benefit from Brunt's crossing ability.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2016, 12:11:10 PM
That's interesting
When anybody mentioned that run, you said it didn't count because the matches weren't important, now BRUNTYS back , to save us from this horrendous run , that now matters....but didn't before
Very strange?

None of my posts in this thread or any other say the 10 games at the end of last season matter...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 31, 2016, 09:55:03 AM
in one breath having a go at some of the support in the next saying they pay there money they can chant what they want. Footballers should keep it zipped
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 31, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
in one breath having a go at some of the support in the next saying they pay there money they can chant what they want. Footballers should keep it zipped

Not got a problem with what Brunt has said to be honest, if we are entitled to make our feelings clear about anything then so is he and he's been on the receiving end of it enough times. 

I fully understand the frustrations of supporters as Olsson has been pretty much finished for a couple of years and the drop in the form of Fletcher over the last year has been quite alarming but making those frustrations known like they were on Saturday helps absolutely no one. As a group we really do struggle to meet the definition of the word supporter.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on October 31, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
Not convinced the jeers were 100% at the two departing players , I feel they were more at Pulis for finally acting especially taking the woeful Fletcher off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Andio on October 31, 2016, 01:13:00 PM
Not convinced the jeers were 100% at the two departing players , I feel they were more at Pulis for finally acting especially taking the woeful Fletcher off.

I'm convinced it was aimed at 100% at Pulis.

Not saying that makes it any better though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on October 31, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Wonder if he liked the 'we've got the ball' and 'we've lost the ball' renditions as well.

Edit; just had a look at this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3852166/How-Chris-Brunt-lifted-40-elephants-completed-10-triathlons-stood-one-leg-month-battle-eight-month-injury.html

Explains the sort of process Brunt went through getting back fit. Pretty impressive
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 31, 2016, 07:32:22 PM
Probably still our best left back given what I've seen. In a side which is so rubbish at keeping the ball, he's quite important to us but I'm not sure where he starts. He's not a central midfielder and should not under any circumstances be a disruption to Chadli - and we sit so deep he's hardly worthwhile at carrying us up the pitch as McClean and Phillips attempt too.

People may say he could replace Fletcher but I do not see those central midfield qualities from Brunt - if anything, it should be Morrison partnering Yacob.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on November 01, 2016, 03:29:18 PM
Well done to Brunty for getting back into the Ireland Squad after his Euro`s disappointment class act.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tegga on November 01, 2016, 07:42:22 PM
I would put him at left back again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jimmy on November 02, 2016, 01:49:10 AM
Used to criticise Brunt before his injury, mainly because he was no good in defence (though that is TPs fault for playing him there).

Brunt is clearly one of our best ball players and should be playing in the midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2016, 09:11:23 AM
Used to criticise Brunt before his injury, mainly because he was no good in defence (though that is TPs fault for playing him there).

Brunt is clearly one of our best ball players and should be playing in the midfield.

But where? He hasn't got the pace to be the wide man and I don't see him as a number 10.

I want him in midfield too but other than next to Yacob I don't see where he fits, and most posters on here don't think he fits that box to box type player.

I thought he played well on Saturday but it was hard to see what position he was playing in other than some vague"midfield" position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on November 02, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
But where? He hasn't got the pace to be the wide man and I don't see him as a number 10.

I want him in midfield too but other than next to Yacob I don't see where he fits, and most posters on here don't think he fits that box to box type player.

I thought he played well on Saturday but it was hard to see what position he was playing in other than some vague"midfield" position.

Positions mean nothing to TP though. He'll be shoe horned in somewhere. I'm not his biggest fan but there is no denying he is one of our better footballers. He is definitely not a LB though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 02, 2016, 08:05:46 PM
Brunt doesn't need pace to play wide left. Having said that I would easily have him in over fletcher at cm. And over nyom at left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on November 02, 2016, 10:43:37 PM
I would play him on the left of midfield I'm not a particular fan of him as a central midfielder but I would rather have him than Fletcher on current form.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 03, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Brunt doesn't need pace to play wide left. Having said that I would easily have him in over fletcher at cm. And over nyom at left back.

I thought pace was one of the things that a wide player would need? It's certainly one of things we lack as a team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on November 03, 2016, 09:08:31 AM
Brunt doesn't need pace to play wide left. Having said that I would easily have him in over fletcher at cm. And over nyom at left back.

Why not?

He got a load of stick from us last year for this exact issue, which is why we were all pleased that he moved into the LB position.

I agree with you about Nyom. A Watford colleague of mine doesn't rate him but says that he is so right footed its untrue. Uses his left for balance only.......
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:12:53 AM
I'd Nyom to right back, Dawson needs a break from the team - too often he's the cause of problems and his ability to keep possession is the worst in the team by far.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on November 03, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
Gardner out the team time to pick another scapegoat its Dawson today I wish some fans would back off we won`t have a team soon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on November 03, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
Gardner out the team time to pick another scapegoat its Dawson today I wish some fans would back off we won`t have a team soon.

I think we have two options for LB in Galloway and Brunt.  Nyom has struggled there lately so I think it's reasonable to give either of those two a run out.

That frees Nyom up and I think it might be worth giving him a try at RB as I think he might do a better job.

I don't think he's a scapegoat for anything.  I just think that Nyom might be an improvement at the moment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on November 03, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
You could possibly be right with Nyom for Dawson but i think he deserves to stay in the side simply because he`s been one of our most consistant   perfomers over the last eighteen months i would swap Nyom with Galloway would not move Brunt as he was possibly our best player last week against Man City could we find a place for LEKOor is it better to keep him as an inpact player from bench at present.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 11, 2016, 10:04:32 PM
A club hero/ legend  and should get at least a 2 year deal eh Jack
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on November 11, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
A club hero/ legend  and should get at least a 2 year deal eh Jack
Got a goal, assist (for GMac) and man of the match!

Sign him up!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 12, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
Superb last time. Took a big blow to the head.

Still maintain that he is our best left back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on November 12, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
Looks like Brunty is coming back refreshed, by all accounts he played really well last night

Assists and goals, great to have him back if I'm honest

Would I play him left back?? I probably would with McLean LM who is the kind of player that would cover him and be able to get back if Brunt pushes forward

Think he needs to be forward to create more though, his left foot is top notch
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Topman on November 12, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
Anyone hear mark Reagen on wm last night. Says brunt should not have a new deal as he's past it. Brunt is still a key supplier of assists and he's up there with the best with assists in recent prem history. Don't these so called presenters do research? If we released brunt I'll bet there would be loads of prem clubs would snap him up. I'm not sure what regens agender with us  is but everything we do is bad whilst villa can do no wrong. He's been like it ages against us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 12, 2016, 10:08:47 PM
Anyone hear mark Reagen on wm last night. Says brunt should not have a new deal as he's past it. Brunt is still a key supplier of assists and he's up there with the best with assists in recent prem history. Don't these so called presenters do research? If we released brunt I'll bet there would be loads of prem clubs would snap him up. I'm not sure what regens agender with us  is but everything we do is bad whilst villa can do no wrong. He's been like it ages against us.

Because he knows you get annoyed.

And then people call up.

And then it fills their show.

And then he's paid handsomely

Just ignore the man.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 13, 2016, 02:08:27 PM
Because he knows you get annoyed.

And then people call up.

And then it fills their show.

And then he's paid handsomely

Just ignore the man.

Yep, the local version of Adrian Durham on Talksport yet people continue to rise to it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
Think yesterday showed why he's been a regular in the team. We didn't look half as threatening from corners taken from his usual side. McClean's delivery from them just isn't as good. Think in the Phillip's thread my stats show that we've not scored from any corners taken by James this season. There were a couple of times that McClean got in great positions, and I was left wondering whether we'd have provided the attackers with a greater chance of scoring if Brunt had been there to whip the ball in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on January 22, 2017, 10:47:54 AM
Brunty has been my favourite modern day Albion player since he joined us 10 years ago.
A player who is always capable of doing something breathtaking, whether it be a delicious cross or a stunning goal like yesterday.
His goals and assists have not just been brilliant to watch they have also been season and future defining. Such as the goal that won us promotion against Saints, and the stunning free kick that clinched the Championship title at QPR.
Who will forget the goal at the Riverside when we beat them 5, or the free kick at Goodison when we beat them 4?
Add to the fact that not many players with no previous connection with our club have been so loyal.
Over 300 appearances now, will play where asked, from left wing, to right wing, central midfield or fullback and never moans.
I hope the club give him a testimonial this year so fans can show their appreciation for imo one of our best ever players and clubmen.
People who have moaned and given him abuse should hang their heads in shame. Not Albion fans imo.

The same goes for James Morrison, another loyal clubman with no previous connections with us, but who has contributed greatly to where we are today. Also a player who has scored absolute gems.
Fans won't realise how good these two players have been for us until they have gone.
Shame.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: superkev on January 22, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
I might be imaging something but when Morrison was subbed Brunty looked very unhappy and said something to McAuley who nodded back, wonder what that was about :'(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on January 22, 2017, 11:14:49 AM
I might be imaging something but when Morrison was subbed Brunty looked very unhappy and said something to McAuley who nodded back, wonder what that was about :'(

Might have been "this 3-6-1 experiment was working OK with Mozza and it will now be disrupted".  It also might have been "Mozza won't be happy and that might have been his last home game for us if he leaves".  It might also have been "surely it would have made sense to give Fletch a rest rather than take Mozza off".   Could have been anything!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 22, 2017, 11:33:50 AM
It is a family joke that i'm critical of Brunt, not because he is not technically good or that he is a team player but in previous years his first half of the season has been generally poor only to be eclipsed by his secong half of the year excelllent performances.

For the last 2 years, apart from his injury, I believe wherever he has played he has made consistently good team contributions, so my critscm had moderated. However Brunts consistency seems to have co-incided with Morrisons performances which seem to have become inconsistent. I suppose we can't expect perfection and should be thankful we have these two class players in our squad
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on January 22, 2017, 11:47:28 AM
Brunt and to a degree Mozza, both come under criticism from sections of our support. I find this strange when both have proved to be loyal clubmen and are great contributors to where we are now.
I sometimes wonder how club legends like Bomber and The King would be recieved by modern day Albion fans?
Astle once had a long spell without scoring but the fans never once moaned.
I can only assume it was because there was no FIFA soccer games or PS3's back then. ;)
Brunt and Morrison are worthy to be mentioned in the same category as the greats of the past.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 22, 2017, 11:52:14 AM
Brunty has been my favourite modern day Albion player since he joined us 10 years ago.
A player who is always capable of doing something breathtaking, whether it be a delicious cross or a stunning goal like yesterday.
His goals and assists have not just been brilliant to watch they have also been season and future defining. Such as the goal that won us promotion against Saints, and the stunning free kick that clinched the Championship title at QPR.
Who will forget the goal at the Riverside when we beat them 5, or the free kick at Goodison when we beat them 4?
Add to the fact that not many players with no previous connection with our club have been so loyal.
Over 300 appearances now, will play where asked, from left wing, to right wing, central midfield or fullback and never moans.
I hope the club give him a testimonial this year so fans can show their appreciation for imo one of our best ever players and clubmen.
People who have moaned and given him abuse should hang their heads in shame. Not Albion fans imo.

The same goes for James Morrison, another loyal clubman with no previous connections with us, but who has contributed greatly to where we are today. Also a player who has scored absolute gems.
Fans won't realise how good these two players have been for us until they have gone.
Shame.
Brunt I'd give you
Morrison, not so sure ..I think IF another club would have come in he would have gone on a few occasions, there was also the interview when away with Scotland when he wasn't exactly "loyal" to the club, plus the foot injury debacle.
No doubt both have given value, brunt feels it , mozza is doing a job IMO..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 11:09:54 AM
didn't realise he's out of contract in the summer. worth another 2 year contract you reckon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on February 01, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
He's a class act. His game has matured and we should be sorting out a new contract ASAP
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 12:46:56 PM
Give the bloke what he deserves done wonderful for our club in all kinds of positions and even in our yo yo years never rocked the boat like some.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 01, 2017, 12:47:38 PM
Would give him a further year. Not so sure about two.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Two years with an option for a third in the clubs favour would be ideal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 01, 2017, 09:44:34 PM
One year with a year in our favour. Needs sorting out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 09, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/chris-brunt-albion-west-brom-new-contract-premier-league-wba-3566301.aspx
Great news for our former captain who has been in sparkling form this season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2017, 05:35:42 PM
excellent news, would have preferred 2+1 rather than 1+1 but excellent news nevertheless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on February 09, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
Good news, well deserved and playing as well as ever.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 09, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
Its great news this is

A brilliant player takes him up to testimonial year

Very happy Baggie
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on February 09, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
Another happy Baggie always been a Brunty fan 10 years and still going
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on February 09, 2017, 06:14:50 PM
My favourite player. Great to see loyalty working both ways.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
Great servant. really pleased with this news.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 09, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
Deserves it, be great if this talk of a joint testimonial with Morrison goes a head.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/871367067?-11200:789:0
one of those players who I couldn't envisage playing for any other club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 09, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
Deserves it, be great if this talk of a joint testimonial with Morrison goes a head.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/871367067?-11200:789:0
one of those players who I couldn't envisage playing for any other club.
Two top top guys but our first team is full of them ay it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on February 09, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good forward thinking by the club & player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 09, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
Season gets better
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: botters on February 09, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
Great news well deserved Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 09, 2017, 09:08:27 PM
Great news. Long term Brunt fan so really pleased with this.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 09, 2017, 09:50:09 PM
Official BBC Story:

West Bromwich Albion's Northern Ireland international Chris Brunt has signed a new extended contract tying him to The Hawthorns until at least 2018.

The deal will automatically extend for a year, until July 2019, if the 32-year-old utility man triggers an unspecified appearance clause.

"Chris has been a stalwart of this club for a long time," said boss Tony Pulis.

"He is a valued and popular member of the squad. He has shown great character to return from his injury."

Brunt, who can play full-back, winger or in midfield, has scored 45 goals in 331 appearances for Albion since arriving from Sheffield Wednesday in 2007.

He had to undergo knee surgery last March after an injury which forced him out of Euro 2016, but has made a full recovery this season.

Long service awards at The Hawthorns

Brunt is the only player to have made over 300 appearances in an Albion shirt since the retirement of Neil Clement, younger brother of Swansea City boss Paul Clement, in 2010.
But he is not the longest-serving player on Albion's books, having signed on 15 August 2007 - eight days after James Morrison arrived from Middlesbrough.
Morrison is just one game away from completing 300 Albion appearances and, come August, he and Brunt will become the first players to celebrate 10 years' service to the Albion since Daryl Burgess (1987-2001).
Tony 'Bomber' Brown, now BBC WM's matchday summariser, still holds the Albion league appearance record (574 games, from 1963 to 1980).

....


I think he's been great since returning from injury. Was worried that it might have been the end of him, but has showed some great form this season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
The beauty of a clever, technically good footballer who has never relied on pace is that you don't lose it as you get older.

Brunt is a fit player often high in the running stats and I see no reason why he won't trigger the 2019 extension and maybe beyond.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on February 09, 2017, 10:51:56 PM
Excellent news! Well deserving for a player whom has given his all for the Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 10, 2017, 08:15:35 AM
New contract was a no brainer really, since returning from injury he has looked fitter than he ever has and proven how important a player he is for us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 10, 2017, 09:20:41 AM
Good news and not just sentimental either, well deserved on this season's performance.
Don't think Bomber's record will ever get beat now though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on February 10, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
I am not Chris Brunts greatest admirer but a new contract is richly deserved.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: letmereadposts on February 10, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
I am not Chris Brunts greatest admirer but a new contract is richly deserved.

History will be judging you my friend - a club legend.

His output to our success has been underrated imo. A classy player with an individual identity in his play, great leader too*

*I used to question his captaincy until managers consistently chose him as captain - only a trophy-laden ex Utd player was worthy of replacing his captaincy!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 10, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
I also subscribe to the view CB is no more than average for a premier league midfielder.
However it cannot be denied that he has been a great servant to the club and the new contract has the right feel to it IMO.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on February 10, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
I think saying Brunty is average is a bit rough there are plenty of average midfielder`s / Defenders plying there trade in teams below us and i believe over the years he has been excellent for us and at worse good You don`t become captain without having something about you
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 10, 2017, 02:20:32 PM
New contract was a no brainer really, since returning from injury he has looked fitter than he ever has and proven how important a player he is for us.

There was an article put out by the club after Brunt returned from injury about how he'd improved things like jumping, running etc in his recovery, showing that his physical stats were actually better then than they'd ever been
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 10, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
I also subscribe to the view CB is no more than average for a premier league midfielder.
However it cannot be denied that he has been a great servant to the club and the new contract has the right feel to it IMO.

Being an established mid table player is the very definition of average and certainly should not be snubbed at.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on February 10, 2017, 02:27:19 PM
SO what does that make championship and lower league midfielders Poor  because thats what your making it sound like Brunty was always above average
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 10, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
Being an established mid table player is the very definition of average and certainly should not be snubbed at.

Average for the premier league maybe, but certainly not average in the grand scheme of things. You could also argue that to be playing in the top league of England at all and for your country requires you to be a lot more than average
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on February 10, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
I remember Brunty playing for Sheffield Wednesday against us. He played wide right that day and that left foot of his was like a wand.

Average he certainly isn't in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 10, 2017, 02:46:32 PM
I remember Brunty playing for Sheffield Wednesday against us. He played wide right that day and that left foot of his was is still like a wand.

Average he certainly isn't in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 10, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
Being an established mid table player is the very definition of average and certainly should not be snubbed at.

I'm not denigrating being an average prem player, its a hell of an achievement IMO, I will never reach those heights in my career !

However, i do think we have to accept that he is not as good as some would have us think he is (Jacko?)

oh and by the way I did say "average premier league midfielder"
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 10, 2017, 03:38:38 PM
I'm not denigrating being an average prem player, its a hell of an achievement IMO, I will never reach those heights in my career !

However, i do think we have to accept that he is not as good as some would have us think he is (Jacko?)

I took your quote to mean exactly that an average premier league player which is a hell of an achievement.

To some on the thread it's an average across the leagues.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pie on February 10, 2017, 04:05:39 PM
Very glad he has got a new contract. His left foot is up there with the best int he league and his assist stats show that.

According to this: https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeCompetitionMostAssists?comp_code=EPL

He has 48 Premier League assists. That's more than people like Scholes, Mata,  Beckham, Carrick, Walcott and Pires just to name a few. That is quite an achievement especially as all of those players played/are playing for the best teams.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 10, 2017, 04:11:43 PM
Very glad he has got a new contract. His left foot is up there with the best int he league and his assist stats show that.

According to this: https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeCompetitionMostAssists?comp_code=EPL

He has 48 Premier League assists. That's more than people like Scholes, Mata,  Beckham, Carrick, Walcott and Pires just to name a few. That is quite an achievement especially as all of those players played/are playing for the best teams.

Great stat that is. 25th in the all time Premier League assist table. Most of those above him aren't to be sniffed at either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 11, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
Great stat that is. 25th in the all time Premier League assist table. Most of those above him aren't to be sniffed at either.

Nor are many of those beneath him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on February 11, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
I think he is called average by some fans because, as a wide left player we have been used to the likes of Clark, Johnston, Cunningham, Barnes, Kilbane etc.
Brunt has a different style to these, but while maybe not as exciting to watch, his goals and assists are probably better than most of them.
If he is average the so was David Beckham who was imo a right footed replica.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mo on February 11, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
A steady 7 or 8 out of 10 each week , has vision and passing ability long and short that we will struggle to replace .

He is definately someone whose contribution to West Bromwich Albion i will remember with great respect when his race is run .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 11, 2017, 04:05:32 PM
I think he is called average by some fans because, as a wide left player we have been used to the likes of Clark, Johnston, Cunningham, Barnes, Kilbane etc.
Brunt has a different style to these, but while maybe not as exciting to watch, his goals and assists are probably better than most of them.
If he is average the so was David Beckham who was imo a right footed replica.

And he's got 4 more assists than Beckham too according to the link.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 11, 2017, 07:12:48 PM
He would be average without his left-foot but what kind of argument is that? Because his left-foot is ridiculously accurate. He's been involved in 87 PL goals now for West Brom (goals or assists) which says it all. Even on his quiet days he's capable of a great delivery which can lead to goals, so I think calling him average is a bit of a dis-service. I'd say someone like Gardner was more your average midfielder.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 11, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
Very glad he has got a new contract. His left foot is up there with the best int he league and his assist stats show that.

According to this: https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeCompetitionMostAssists?comp_code=EPL

He has 48 Premier League assists. That's more than people like Scholes, Mata,  Beckham, Carrick, Walcott and Pires just to name a few. That is quite an achievement especially as all of those players played/are playing for the best teams.

But he's an average midfielder.....

Brunt is a wonderful footballer, a superb servant to this club and deserves more respect for the player he is
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 12, 2017, 12:03:11 PM
Another vital assist yesterday. Not just contributed to a goal, but also to us getting a point as well
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on February 12, 2017, 12:21:38 PM
I love Brunt but those stays a not right, a common sense check should tell you Beckham has 4/5 * the assists as brunt!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 12, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
I love Brunt but those stays a not right, a common sense check should tell you Beckham has 4/5 * the assists as brunt!

Correct. Here's the official table:

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist?co=1&se=-1&co=1&cl=-1&iso=-1&po=-1?se=-1

Brunt is joint 50th with David Ginola
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 12, 2017, 01:19:16 PM
Just had a stat on sky showing the top scoring full backs. They put Brunt at joint second with 3
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on March 04, 2017, 10:08:30 PM
Worst Brunty has played in a while today.

Anybody else think his general fitness is shocking?

Always seems to be blowing out his backside within first 15minutes and comes across a relatively "lazy" player in terms of runs off the ball.

Think against pacey wingers & full backs he really struggles, always has against Palace & in particular Zaha.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 04, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Worst Brunty has played in a while today.

Anybody else think his general fitness is shocking?

Always seems to be blowing out his backside within first 15minutes and comes across a relatively "lazy" player in terms of runs off the ball.

Think against pacey wingers & full backs he really struggles, always has against Palace & in particular Zaha.


Not remotely. One of the fittest players in the squad.


Thought he was a 6 out of 10 today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 05, 2017, 01:01:03 AM
Worst Brunty has played in a while today.

Anybody else think his general fitness is shocking?

Always seems to be blowing out his backside within first 15minutes and comes across a relatively "lazy" player in terms of runs off the ball.

Think against pacey wingers & full backs he really struggles, always has against Palace & in particular Zaha.

Hard to pick anybody who was half decent today for Albion. Brunt for me is still technically one of our best players he has a wand of a left foot and a great cross and never has had pace to beat a man- right wing he Is totally wasted. Should have been playing left side. Either Morrison or chadli through the middle (although both were pretty anonymous)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on March 05, 2017, 01:40:17 AM
Not sure why he was left at right back for their first? Was he covering for Dawson? Either way it doesn't work with him at right midfield. Seemed much more balanced with him at left back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 05, 2017, 08:42:53 AM
One of the few tactical innovations that Pulis can take credit for is inverting the wingers i.e. playing Brunt/McLean on the right and  Phillips/Chadli on the left. What it means is that the wide players tend to drift inside in support of Rondon which makes him less isolated and also means that Fletcher has the luxury of sitting a little deeper and doesn't have to join the attack as quickly.

Yesterday it didn't work for two reasons firstly Phillips is a lot more effective than Chadli in the role and secondly Palace backed off and didn't give us the space for Brunt to put the ball over the defensive line for Morrison Chadli and Rondon to run onto.


Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2017, 09:29:49 AM
It has been the way we often line-up in that the covering midfielder is left with the attacking winger while the fullback stays further inside. Dawson was obviously occupied in the centre at the time.
We were caught out by a good cross pass and a good finish by a dangerous player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 05, 2017, 09:57:32 AM
9 years on and if Brunt and Morrison don't have good games we as a team struggle still . Just shows their worth to me especially when Chadli vanishes and with Phillips being injured.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 05, 2017, 02:43:57 PM
Ultimately he can't defend, which is what I have said all along and debated with many on here before when they have called for him to play left back. Should have cost us a second goal but for Foster making a great save one on one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on March 05, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
we lose a match the blame game starts in ernest they of the players and and looK UP WHAT SUPPORT MEANS  I heard it meant get behind help not have a go and slag off you fickle fans should try to help not hinder the players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on March 05, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
Don't think anyone is slagging anyone off to be honest. When we win we praise the players that are playing well. It goes without saying that when we lose or play poorly, the players who haven't played well are criticised. Without criticising how does anyone learn from their mistakes? Or would you rather they just played the same way every week and nobody said anything?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dudleylad on March 05, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
9 years on and if Brunt and Morrison don't have good games we as a team struggle still . Just shows their worth to me especially when Chadli vanishes and with Phillips being injured.

I agree and its something no doubt Pulis will look to improve in the summer.  Saying that he wasnt impressed with any of the midfield yesterday but did single out Brunt, Morrison and Chadli for not offering support for Rondon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 05, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
we lose a match the blame game starts in ernest they of the players and and looK UP WHAT SUPPORT MEANS  I heard it meant get behind help not have a go and slag off you fickle fans should try to help not hinder the players.

Calm down dear. No blame game required, he got caught under the ball for their first goal in the same manner that Leko utterly cocked up for the second, doesn't mean they cost us the game, one to a man we were abysmal yesterday, that is what cost us the game. Just saying Brunt is not a defender, yesterday only adds further weight to my argument.

I appreciate you love to support and won't say a bad word regardless and I find your posts painfully tedious and not worth reading as a result, but you have to appreciate that others have a right to raise their concerns. Where would anyone be in life without constructive criticism? There'd be no punditry on Sky Sports etc that's for sure and a number of people out of work.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 05, 2017, 09:05:34 PM
Thought he was poor the weekend
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on March 07, 2017, 07:06:32 AM
I think if we could bring him on for set plays like the goal kicker in American football he would be an asset. To play 90 minutes when a team has more pace and close down the space on the wings he is not.
Mozza and Brunty great servants but they have to be allowed to influence a game they don't have the ability to grab a game and command it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on March 07, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
Not his best performance by any means against Palace, but unfortunately our best LB is also our best RB (Nyom). So until we find a better one then for me Brunty, although not a great defender, is the next best option at LB at the present time. Could we play with a back 3  - Dawson GMac and Evans, with Nyom on the right and Brunt on the left slightly in front of them working with Fletcher and Livermore, and dropping in or staying wide depending on the opposition to help either Dawson or Evans. They could also link with Chadli supporting Rondon and Phillips out wide. Neither Nyom nor Brunt look out of their depth when they get forward and more often than not make the right choice of when to go and when to stay. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba13 on March 07, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
Fritzl You enjoy having apop at me it means your leaving everyone else alone DON`T BOTHER ME as for your take on chris brunt well it seems like you don`t like him a bloody good player and if TP sees him as a full back who are you or I to argue he knows a darn sight more about the players than you and i ever will. I will criticise  the players when they don`t perform over a period of time but you and some other`s like to have a go week in week out and you call me tedious and constructive criticism is good,but if you think saying Brunt can`t defend is constructive then more fool you
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 08, 2017, 10:10:24 AM
Fritzl You enjoy having apop at me it means your leaving everyone else alone DON`T BOTHER ME as for your take on chris brunt well it seems like you don`t like him a bloody good player and if TP sees him as a full back who are you or I to argue he knows a darn sight more about the players than you and i ever will. I will criticise  the players when they don`t perform over a period of time but you and some other`s like to have a go week in week out and you call me tedious and constructive criticism is good,but if you think saying Brunt can`t defend is constructive then more fool you

Not so much a pop at you, it's more that I, and I suspect everyone by now, know exactly what each of your posts will say prior to opening the thread. It will be a stoic defence of either the player in question or the club with no reason given to that defence other than 'you should be supporting them', hence why your posts, in my opinion, are utterly pointless.

Brunt can't defend, it's not necessarily a criticism of him, he's played his career as a winger, defending should not be first nature to him, I was just highlighting yet another example of this, allied to mistakes whilst at left back in heading the ball straight to Lingard on the edge of the area for United to score last season, Zaha completely ripping him apart at Selhurst Park last season costing us a penalty and the impetus in the game generally, Deulofeu doing the same to him at the Hawthorns last season to name but a couple off the top of the head.

I like him, as a winger and someone who from corners hits a decent ball in, but that does not prevent me from pointing out his obvious flaws.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on June 04, 2017, 02:55:47 PM
On the O/S it says that Chris Brunt is out of contract this summer.

http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/chris-brunt/11 (http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/chris-brunt/11)

Does anyone know whether he's been offered a contract extension as yet?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
On the O/S it says that Chris Brunt is out of contract this summer.

http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/chris-brunt/11 (http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/chris-brunt/11)

Does anyone know whether he's been offered a contract extension as yet?
He agreed a 1 + 1 extension, so he's signed up until at least summer 2018 and beyond that dependant on appearances next season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on June 04, 2017, 04:51:42 PM
He agreed a 1 + 1 extension, so he's signed up until at least summer 2018 and beyond that dependant on appearances next season.

Cheers for that, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 04, 2017, 04:55:12 PM
He agreed a 1 + 1 extension, so he's signed up until at least summer 2018 and beyond that dependant on appearances next season.


What a relief!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 15, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
Signed 10 years ago Today , for me probably the best value for money signing ever. Still think that free kick away at Everton was his best ever Albion goal although the goal at Villa Park in the 4-3 loss comes very close.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 15, 2017, 04:30:29 PM
Terrific servant to the club. Terrific player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on August 15, 2017, 04:57:32 PM
Hats off to the lad, had his critics but never hid.
Him and Mozza top men
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on August 15, 2017, 06:16:02 PM
Hats off to the lad, had his critics but never hid.
Him and Mozza top men

An Albion legend, also a valuable experienced player who is quicker than a soon to be new sighing 😝
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 15, 2017, 06:20:49 PM
Legend yes 100% but his story with us has not yet finished. Cheers for your service mukka.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggies_24 on August 15, 2017, 06:44:04 PM
Blimey 10 years ago I remember his debut (Scunthorpe away?) like it was yesterday. Had my doubts about Brunt at times but I can't deny he's been a top servant for the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 14, 2017, 09:05:55 AM
Don’t think it’s been mentioned elsewhere, but congrats to Chris Brunt for 250 Premier League matches. The first Albion player to do so.

EDIT: I also believe he’s over 350 games for Albion in all competitions. A true modern legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 14, 2017, 12:22:18 PM
Don’t think it’s been mentioned elsewhere, but congrats to Chris Brunt for 250 Premier League matches. The first Albion player to do so.

EDIT: I also believe he’s over 350 games for Albion in all competitions. A true modern legend.

Brunty will rightfully go down as a club legend for me. When fit he should be starting.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 05, 2018, 10:53:01 AM
Just worth mentioning he bagged another 2 assists on Saturday to add to his tally.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 05, 2018, 10:59:19 AM
Just worth mentioning he bagged another 2 assists on Saturday to add to his tally.

it could have been 3 if Sturridge had had more luck when played in by Brunt in the first half. Gave the ball away a lot though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 05, 2018, 11:04:14 AM
it could have been 3 if Sturridge had had more luck when played in by Brunt in the first half. Gave the ball away a lot though.

It is a regular thing with Brunt. You need him in the team because he is the only winger we have with the ability to cross a decent ball, but his overall play this season has been quite poor, misplaced passes aplenty, switching off defensively, but we certainly can't drop him because of what I mentioned at the outset.

Also his inability to take a free kick is a concern. When was the last decent one he hit, Everton away in 2010? He larruped one off Olsson's backside and in at Old Trafford of course, but that aside, the three he hit on Saturday were poor, even the one drawing the save from their keeper, he had the whole of that side to aim at, he needed to get it in the postage stamp to stand any chance of scoring with it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 05, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
The one freekick on Saturday I would have been happier to see Sturridge have a go.

As you said above though he keeps chipping in with assists so has to be in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 07, 2018, 10:37:51 AM
Set pieces aside, he was woeful on Saturday.

But, everybody is allowed a bad game once in a while. Still our best option on the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on February 07, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
Set pieces aside, he was woeful on Saturday.

But, everybody is allowed a bad game once in a while. Still our best option on the left.

I thought his through pass to Sturridge first half was excellent. I can think of many players who would have done otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 07, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
Set pieces aside, he was woeful on Saturday.

But, everybody is allowed a bad game once in a while. Still our best option on the left.

Brunt is one of those players who keeps trying to make things happen. Sometimes a lot won't come off, and people will say he had a bad game, but sometimes things click and he has a good one. Either way, at least he's still trying things.

Mixed bag on Saturday. Two assists, two great passes for Sturridge, but a fair few moments where he wasn't very good.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: reynirver on February 07, 2018, 01:32:19 PM
We woulld be in better spirits if we had more players like him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 07, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Brunt is one of those players who keeps trying to make things happen. Sometimes a lot won't come off, and people will say he had a bad game, but sometimes things click and he has a good one. Either way, at least he's still trying things.

Mixed bag on Saturday. Two assists, two great passes for Sturridge, but a fair few moments where he wasn't very good.

In would much rather have someone trying stuff than being...... well Livermore
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 07, 2018, 07:59:53 PM
Brunt is very frustrating to watch as for all the high quality corners or clever reverse passes he mixes that up by stuffing up really simple passes and play which leaves you scratching your head. He went through a long stretch of giving the ball away at will which got a lot of fans on his back. His best performances the past couple of years have come from left back, not midfield. I think he struggles unless he is deep facing up the pitch, can't run past anyone and he fits in better with the rest of the team in front of him for him to pick out with a through ball or diagonal. Also for someone with such a wand of a left foot why are his free kicks so rubbish? Hasn't scored or hit one cleanly for years. Still one our most important players though!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 07, 2018, 08:45:51 PM
Agree, before CB went to LB I was one who criticised him quite badly, not a winger, not a CMF,

I can actually see him being very effective as a wing back, but playing 3 at the back and wing backs has not been too successful for us has it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 08, 2018, 08:26:28 AM
I think Brunt is more effective when he has Gibbs as his fullback as he can provide the pace on the overlap that Brunt lacks. this allows brunt to drop into the fullback position but also to be able to play more incisive balls from deeper in the pitch.
I think he is more disciplined when at left back though as he strays inside far too much when used as a wide left player and often leaves his fullback exposed or gives himself extra space to cover in support of the fullback which is an issue with his lack of pace.

Having said that he did win the ball high up the pitch (albeit in the centre) against Liverpool which set up Rodriguez for the equaliser.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on February 24, 2018, 05:00:45 PM
Give this man a new contract , he deserves it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 24, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Should be playing left back. Gibbs can't defend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 24, 2018, 05:10:11 PM
Give this man a new contract , he deserves it.
I disagree, sadly. It's high time to move on from the older generation at the club, which Brunt is now part of, and bring in some younger, hungrier and quicker legs. We've looked far too slow in our last 2 games and we have to change it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2018, 05:10:56 PM
Man of the match in 25 minutes of action. Still our best 'footballer'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on February 24, 2018, 05:19:39 PM
A true legend in every sense of the word. I personally think he will leave in the summer and we can't begrudge him of that. He has been a fantastic player for this football club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 24, 2018, 05:20:56 PM
I hope he doesnt leave

Hope he stays and captains the club next season, his ability and experience will be required next season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on February 24, 2018, 05:21:27 PM
Man of the match in 25 minutes of action. Still our best 'footballer'.

Fully agree. Wand of a left foot and has heart unlike the others twits
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on February 24, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
I hope he doesnt leave

Hope he stays and captains the club next season, his ability and experience will be required next season

I would like him to stay aswell and captain some younger blood we hopefully attract in the summer. Get us back up then go off into the sunset on a high note. Job done.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boot2006 on February 24, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
Brunt will be crucial for us next season.
We need to keep him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 24, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Has to stay,end of
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 24, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Turned the game in our favour - truly one of our most under-rated players in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiesboots on February 24, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Turned the game in our favour - truly one of our most under-rated players in my opinion.
He's been a quality player for us over the years, and we're so short of quality at times that his experience was useful today. One of the best servants to Albion in recent times, but sadly all round play not good enough at this level for a while now, and he's not on his own there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 24, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
cannot see Brunt fancying playing championship football, there'll be suitors i have no doubt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 24, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
cannot see Brunt fancying playing championship football, there'll be suitors i have no doubt.
And yet I think he will stay
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on February 24, 2018, 05:48:07 PM
Doesn't his contract automatically extend when he plays a certain amount of games anyway? He's played most games this season so I imagine that clause will be triggered.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Topman on February 24, 2018, 05:48:56 PM
If I was s team like hudds or bornemouth they could do far worse than bid 4 to 5 million for him. Yes he's  getting on but his set pieces alone will get goals. He may be one were surprised who will get pinched
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 24, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
And yet I think he will stay
not sure he's up to so many games a season, championship football is far more demanding on the body. very few rest days compared to the premier league.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 24, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
He’s been an amazing servant, deserves a new contract if he wants it.
Has always been the true pro.
Never kicked up a fuss.
Stripped of captaincy and didn’t moan.
Got hit by a coin by one of his own fans and still continued to work hard.
His assist figures are amazing for someone in our team, if a player at a top 6 clubs has those stats everyone raves about them.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on February 24, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
If anyone deserved to stay in the premier league with another team it's Brunt. Our highest ever assist makerin the prem, Every season he is. Yeah he floats about in his role now, Doesn't chase back and his free kicks are woeful, But his set-pieces and crossing would fit in most lower half teams.

Next season is going to be such a turn around of events at the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on February 24, 2018, 05:58:27 PM
His basic ball control and passing accuracy is still of a high stanard and better than most around him. It is also fair to say he has a better shot on him than McLean. Chris' biggest problem is lack of pace which slows us down when we are attacking. Unfortunately, as a winger pace is one of the most important assets. Really don't know his best position, but I very much hope he is part of our future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 24, 2018, 06:04:00 PM
Still our best player in my opinion. Fully deserves a testimonial and I just hope we manage to keep him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on February 24, 2018, 06:09:48 PM
The only player to come out of today with any credit for me. He's had his bad patches for us, something which he's been crucified for in the past, But you cannot doubt ta all that he bleeds albion and he looked genuinely crushed today at the final whistle. That acknowledgement to the 4 stands for me was him realising that it's probably all over now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 24, 2018, 06:20:55 PM
Problem for Brunt is he is better wide but questions over whether he has the legs for it, he is not a central midfielder and doesn't have the same impact in the middle, lets players run past him at will. Next season there will more than likely be a gap at left back when Gibbs departs so Brunt has international experience in that role so for me that would be his position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 24, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
Still our best player in my opinion. Fully deserves a testimonial and I just hope we manage to keep him.

Should be captain again. One of a few who does bleed for the cause
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alwaysbilly on February 24, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
Turned the game in our favour - truly one of our most under-rated players in my opinion.
Barry McLean Phillips not fit to lace Brunties boots
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on February 24, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
He had to start today, had to. Our only route to scoring any type of goal.

Starts every game at LB next season and give him the captaincy back.

Only one who deserved clapping off today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alwaysbilly on February 24, 2018, 06:49:00 PM
He had to start today, had to. Our only route to scoring any type of goal.

Starts every game at LB next season and give him the captaincy back.

Only one who deserved clapping off today.
Yep He and Dawson captain material and must stay
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boingboing1989 on February 24, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
Only player to come out of that game with any credit, you can see he truly cares about the club. Saying he was crying outside the dressing room after the game?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2018, 07:18:12 PM
Only player to come out of that game with any credit, you can see he truly cares about the club. Saying he was crying outside the dressing room after the game?


Think that's a twitter spoof tbh, but it's obvious he's feeling it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on February 24, 2018, 07:33:26 PM
We have to find a way of Brunt being in the team, whether its left back or left midfield.

He is the only creative player we have, Morrison if ever fit can be, Chadli is a waste of space who i expect to be joining Sturridge in the not to be seen again this season, or maybe play a game, get 'injured' and then never see them again.

Brunt can have some shockers but he is the one player who can pick a pass with any quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 24, 2018, 07:35:51 PM
Needs to play left back with McClean infront of him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 24, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
Needs to play left back with McClean infront of him.

What? Did you see the game today and the performance of McClean?  :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on February 24, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
McClean is s**t. A decent athlete but that's it. He has no football brain, no touch, no technique.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 24, 2018, 08:13:23 PM
McClean is s**t. A decent athlete but that's it. He has no football brain, no touch, no technique.

And if he doesn't go to Celtic will be a regular next season for us. Another reason the 'would rather see us relegated- crowd are wrong.  McLean is the calibre of player we will have to get used to. And to because to McLean he's probably better than most of the Championship.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2018, 12:20:04 AM
Brunt clearly cares about the club. Could see it by his reaction after the goal and his reaction to the other players on the pitch throughout his time on the pitch today.

Also this is a man who has spent more than 10 years at the club, stayed with us through relegations and subsequent promotions, and had a coin thrown at him and pelters given to him by his own 'fans'. Earned a huge amount of respect from me today as well by being one of the only players who seemed to actually care, and bothered to applaud the fans afterwards.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 25, 2018, 08:53:09 AM
I disagree, sadly. It's high time to move on from the older generation at the club, which Brunt is now part of, and bring in some younger, hungrier and quicker legs. We've looked far too slow in our last 2 games and we have to change it.
The most sensible post on this subject

Yes he has given everything and we should thank him, but not by giving him (like we have with others) contracts that turn in to millstones around a club with a very sore neck
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 25, 2018, 09:11:22 AM
Brunt still has huge quality and more important would offer a lot at the level below , I'd offer him a good contract to finish his career here. We'll need a couple who know what its all about.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 25, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Brunt still has huge quality and more important would offer a lot at the level below , I'd offer him a good contract to finish his career here. We'll need a couple who know what its all about.

Agree

There is going to be a big upheavel next season but for me Brint has something to offer.

Still a good footballer & relatively injury free.

There are bigger problems in the midfield and it is not Chris Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on February 25, 2018, 09:39:15 AM
I hope Brunty stays but he is one of the few if he said at the end of the season that he wants another crack at the premier league i would say good luck to him.

He has been great for us, huge asset on the pitch, a class act off it and will go down as an Albion legend, hope there is more to come but if not then he has earnt whatever he choose next.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 25, 2018, 09:40:14 AM
Whats his contract situation ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 25, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
club captain next year?  can't see him playing every game, but that would give some continuity with the good times
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 25, 2018, 09:56:30 AM
Whats his contract situation ?

The club have an option of extending his deal by a further 12 months depending on whether he activates the number of appearances this season.
Morrison is in the same position. Though I think he may struggle to activate his. Will depend on how he returns from injury etc.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 25, 2018, 05:50:48 PM
Brunt might not have the legs anymore, but with Chadli and Morrison out he is the only midfielder we have who looks like creating anything on any kind of regular basis, even if it is just from set pieces. Phillips is a bottler who hasn't tried to do anything. McClean will run through brick walls for you, but he's the only player stupid enough to run into one in the first place. Only Brunt has the touch of quality we need in a drastically imbalanced squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 26, 2018, 07:37:34 AM
According to the E&S, Brunt laid into his team mates and Pardew after the Huddersfield match. Having a pop at his team mates work ethic and Pardew's tactics.

Give him the arm band next season in my opinion. He's the closest we have to a club legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on February 26, 2018, 07:40:33 AM
According to the E&S, Brunt laid into his team mates and Pardew after the Huddersfield match. Having a pop at his team mates work ethic and Pardew's tactics.

Give him the arm band next season in my opinion. He's the closest we have to a club legend.

No no no no! He isn't the closest thing we have to a club legend. He IS a legend. No doubt about that in my view.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mister AT on February 26, 2018, 08:57:44 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/02/25/exclusive---furious-chris-brunt-laid-into-team-mates-and-alan-pardews-tactics-in-dressing-room-bust-up-after-huddersfield-defeat/

Fair play to him, one of the few he clearly gives a damn!

No doubt he will be on the bench next game, we as fans need to show our support and sing his name.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on February 26, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
Well done Chris!

My MOTM on Saturday..... the only one in the outfield who actually showed passion and determination.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 26, 2018, 09:03:48 AM
It tells you everything you need to know about how poor recruitment has been over the years when at 33 he's still arguably our best footballer. I hope its true that he laid into everyone after the game its something that needed to be done.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: darbolina on February 26, 2018, 09:08:02 AM
The thing many footballers forget - going through the motions is obvious. It's also obvious when players clearly care. You could see more passion in 10mins of Brunt's performance there Saturday than much of the squad have shown all season.

Time to weed out the players who have been going through the motions and replace them with ones who will show some energy and pride - I think we know who they are!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 26, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
Good to see a reaction from someone. I was quite critical of Brunt when he was captain under Hodgson/Clarke but maybe now it's time to give him the armband again (if he wants it).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on February 26, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
Brunty cares!
Tell him that he will play in every game,from the get go until the end of the season and he will be captain.
His enthusiasm and skills might just brush off on the others and give us a chance,we must take every opportunity going.
Much respect to him from me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on February 26, 2018, 09:33:47 AM
Brunt is a legend. You can see he cares and he is definitely our best footballer still and all that comes down to his passion, integrity and will to do well.

He should be the first name on the team sheet without a doubt

I hope he did lay into the players after the game but they wont care, theyll be off to their next club somewhere next season and good riddance, some of them have been a stain on this club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 26, 2018, 09:35:54 AM
The thing many footballers forget - going through the motions is obvious. It's also obvious when players clearly care. You could see more passion in 10mins of Brunt's performance there Saturday than much of the squad have shown all season.

Time to weed out the players who have been going through the motions and replace them with ones who will show some energy and pride - I think we know who they are!
Been saying this for weeks mate. It is so blatantly obvious now that some players just do not give a flying about our position. Evans, Gibbs, Barry, Phillips should all be dropped immediately. Pardew's failure to see this will cost him his job.
Bring in, Nyom, Field, Brunt and Burke for the remaining games. won't keep us up, but may restore some pride.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 26, 2018, 09:58:47 AM
Good to see a reaction from someone. I was quite critical of Brunt when he was captain under Hodgson/Clarke but maybe now it's time to give him the armband again (if he wants it).
He obviously now feels capable if he can give the players and Pardew a dressing down so a big yes from me
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on February 26, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/02/25/exclusive---furious-chris-brunt-laid-into-team-mates-and-alan-pardews-tactics-in-dressing-room-bust-up-after-huddersfield-defeat/

Fair play to him, one of the few he clearly gives a damn!

No doubt he will be on the bench next game, we as fans need to show our support and sing his name.

This is brilliant. You cannot question his loyalty or passion to win. This has actually cheered me up a bit, because it shows that there are some players who care.

The thing I detest about AP is where he says, and has said before, "it's happened but now we need to draw a line under it and move on." It's so cliche and he uses it as an escape route.

I'm so happy brunt laid into him and the others. Be interesting to see if he makes the squad for Watford.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on February 26, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
You could see it on the pitch when he came on.  Was the only one putting that bit of extra effort in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kev on February 26, 2018, 10:59:33 AM
Fair play to him if he did but I think this is a bit of reporters trying to get a story.  It would of have to been someone in the dressing room who would of leaked this to the press and I very much doubt he gave pardew a stripping down  in front of everyone !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SirTonyM on February 26, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Most shocking thing about the article was that Pardew had any tactics ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on February 26, 2018, 12:19:16 PM
If this story is true then WELL DONE CHRIS BRUNT!

Pardew will probably drop him from the first team squad now.  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 26, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Well done Brunty.
Not the best footballer we've ever had but a true and honest professional.
Always liked him and Mozza.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 26, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
Glad to hear someone in dressing room is as drunk off as the fans.

I would keep Brunt on a rolling year contract, no more than that.
As has been said we need to move on from the current squad, by adding youth, pace and desire.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 26, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
Well done Brunty.
Not the best footballer we've ever had but a true and honest professional.
Always liked him and Mozza.

Certainly not the best but we have had some marvelous players down the years so there's no shame in that. However, I can't really think of a better player over the last 30-35 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 26, 2018, 02:07:57 PM
Good on you Chrissie Brunt.  If he gets suspended and the taxi group did not I will be even more cross!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 26, 2018, 03:20:28 PM
I have never been a big fan of Brunt, but I have changed my mind over the last few months,( I hold my hands up on this one) good on ya mate I'm glad someone as got the b!!!s to have a go at that shower we saw Saturday, and well done when he came on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: vrabbit on February 26, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
I disagree, sadly. It's high time to move on from the older generation at the club, which Brunt is now part of, and bring in some younger, hungrier and quicker legs. We've looked far too slow in our last 2 games and we have to change it.

Brunt is the central attacking piece this team has been missing. Yes his crosses from the wing are good but he doesn't have the pace to play out wide any more. Play him in front of the the Pole and Fields and behind Rondon. He has the vision to get it done there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 26, 2018, 07:22:18 PM
well done Chris for stating the bloody obvious, that dressing room must be pants.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
I disagree, sadly. It's high time to move on from the older generation at the club, which Brunt is now part of, and bring in some younger, hungrier and quicker legs. We've looked far too slow in our last 2 games and we have to change it.


Hangs his hat and the club's future on his need for 'decent' football, wants to move on the best technical footballer.


Go figure.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 27, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
I will be surprised if he's in the 18 on Saturday to be honest. Pardew is an arrogant so-and-so who won't like being questioned in front of the rest of the players, let alone that then leaking out to the press.

Steal a taxi while drunk, no problem. Question him, and it's probably curtains.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on February 27, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
I will be surprised if he's in the 18 on Saturday to be honest. Pardew is an arrogant so-and-so who won't like being questioned in front of the rest of the players, let alone that then leaking out to the press.

Steal a taxi while drunk, no problem. Question him, and it's probably curtains.
I doubt he would go out of his way to pick on one of the most popular players amongst supporters, especially when the vast majority will have sympathised with Brunt's actions.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on February 27, 2018, 01:02:44 PM
Brunt is the central attacking piece this team has been missing. Yes his crosses from the wing are good but he doesn't have the pace to play out wide any more. Play him in front of the the Pole and Fields and behind Rondon. He has the vision to get it done there.

Absolutely spot on; he's capable of inch-perfect through balls. With Burke and Leko out wide in support.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbastrollers on February 27, 2018, 01:07:29 PM
I will be surprised if he's in the 18 on Saturday to be honest. Pardew is an arrogant so-and-so who won't like being questioned in front of the rest of the players, let alone that then leaking out to the press.

Steal a taxi while drunk, no problem. Question him, and it's probably curtains.

Pardew can be as arrogant as he likes, Brunty will be here long after he has gone. I am still in disbelief he will be picking the team on Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on February 27, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
Absolutely spot on; he's capable of inch-perfect through balls. With Burke and Leko out wide in support.

Not sure Leko is up to it Miggy. Went out on loan toBristol City, and after two stellar games they thought they had the new Gareth Bale on their hands. He then went rapidly downhill and eventually could not even make the bench. BCFC identified the same issues we see; tries to beat everyone twice and gets easily knocked off the ball.

Bang on about Brunty though, and I would definately be playing Burke now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnny Cash on February 27, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
Not sure Leko is up to it Miggy. Went out on loan toBristol City, and after two stellar games they thought they had the new Gareth Bale on their hands. He then went rapidly downhill and eventually could not even make the bench. BCFC identified the same issues we see; tries to beat everyone twice and gets easily knocked off the ball.

Bang on about Brunty though, and I would definately be playing Burke now.

I am not sure what people expect from our youngsters at times. A few years ago the average age of a premier league debut was 22. It took players like Brunt and Mozza bouncing between division and getting minutes to become decent premier league players.

Leko is still only 18, in the championship Leko should be getting minutes. Two stellar games for Bristol shows he deserves a chance and wingers are notoriously hit and miss. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on February 27, 2018, 02:00:44 PM
Not sure Leko is up to it Miggy. Went out on loan toBristol City, and after two stellar games they thought they had the new Gareth Bale on their hands. He then went rapidly downhill and eventually could not even make the bench. BCFC identified the same issues we see; tries to beat everyone twice and gets easily knocked off the ball.

Bang on about Brunty though, and I would definately be playing Burke now.

Fair point about Leko....but older and wiser maybe? I've just always loved flair players, I was brought up on Best, Cruyff, Stan Bowles, Tony Curry...even Willy Johnston drove us mad at times, but SOMETHING could always happen to turn a game.

Such players need the right sort of delivery, that's where Brunt in the middle could work well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on February 27, 2018, 02:06:19 PM
I am not sure what people expect from our youngsters at times. A few years ago the average age of a premier league debut was 22. It took players like Brunt and Mozza bouncing between division and getting minutes to become decent premier league players.

Leko is still only 18, in the championship Leko should be getting minutes. Two stellar games for Bristol shows he deserves a chance and wingers are notoriously hit and miss.

When he beefs up and gets the right coaching, he will be a real asset. We will probably sell him then....... >:(

Its not the right time for him now....

In keeping with the subject of the thread, Brunty can do no wrong for me, and if he is not in the starting 11 on Saturday, that will tell you all you need to know about AP.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 27, 2018, 02:55:39 PM
Pardew could learn a lot from this forum if he could also learn a little humility!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on February 27, 2018, 02:59:24 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/926220494?-11200:789:3#out
Butch Wilkins having a go at our Brunty now,tw@t
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on February 27, 2018, 03:03:23 PM
He's probably drunk who cares what Wilkins thinks,he couldn't pass a ball forward only back and sideways.
He knows nothing about us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 27, 2018, 03:03:40 PM
I'm still embarrassed by the coin thrower at Reading. :'(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nathan on February 27, 2018, 03:06:10 PM
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/926220494?-11200:789:3#out
Butch Wilkins having a go at our Brunty now,tw@t

The irony of Ray Wilkins telling Chris Brunt to sort his life out!  ???

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Mr. Wilkins. Now f**k off back to the pub, there's a good chap.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mank baggie on February 27, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
I'm still embarrassed by the coin thrower at Reading. :'(
Did we ever get the name of that **** ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on February 27, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
Lilly livered Wilkins, I bet he never had the guts to say what brunty said,so mind your business,brunty doesn't have the radio airtime to reply like Wilkins does,big man behind the mic ask him to speak to any baggie I'm sure they'd tell Wilkins what they thought of his comments.
Brunty was angry he showed passion for our club,well done brunty,we don't care what Wilkins said.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on February 27, 2018, 03:14:03 PM
Wilkins is another one who doesn't give a stuff about us. It doesn't Matter to him if we go out of existence. We're nothing to him so who gives a naughty word for his opinion?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on February 27, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
Wilkins is another one who doesn't give a stuff about us. It doesn't Matter to him if we go out of existence. We're nothing to him so who gives a naughty word for his opinion?
He's applied enough times for our job over the years!, must be sour grapes  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on February 27, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Stuff Wilkins
If Pardew had a pair he'd re-instate Brunty as captain until the end of the season.

Oh and can somebody show Pardew this?

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/02/27/chris-brunt-has-one-of-the-best-minutes-per-assist-ratios-in-europe/
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 28, 2018, 09:19:46 AM
Brunt is as critical to this line up as Forster. Leaving him out shows lack of understanding ofr our squad and its abilities and a blatant disregard for the supporters.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
Brunt is as critical to this line up as Forster. Leaving him out shows lack of understanding ofr our squad and its abilities and a blatant disregard for the supporters.

When did we sign him ???  Sorry, cheap shot!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 28, 2018, 07:25:33 PM
When did we sign him ???  Sorry, cheap shot!

Ha ha sorry! No I would still stick with Ben given the choice. ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: vrabbit on March 05, 2018, 03:57:02 PM
did my eyes deceive me or was Brunt given the freedom to roam around on Saturday? I actually liked what I saw from him at Watford. The more he touches the ball the better I feel about our chances to score.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on March 05, 2018, 04:21:12 PM
did my eyes deceive me or was Brunt given the freedom to roam around on Saturday? I actually liked what I saw from him at Watford. The more he touches the ball the better I feel about our chances to score.
He did well yes, but he has to be on the left for me, and this was Pardew's biggest error on Saturday. Finally goes to a 5 in midfield and puts our best (only) crosser of a ball in the centre.
We should be telling Brunty to stay out there and ping it in every chance he gets, couldn't care if he only touches the ball 10 times and smokes a couple of fags the rest of the time, 10 balls into the box from Brunty are worth 100 each from Matt (stepover, stepover, hit the 1st man) Phillips or Jay (what am I doing out wide) Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on March 05, 2018, 05:06:01 PM
Personally thought Brunt was a little disappointing.

I also thought Phillips put some very decent balls into the box.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 05, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
He did well yes, but he has to be on the left for me, and this was Pardew's biggest error on Saturday. Finally goes to a 5 in midfield and puts our best (only) crosser of a ball in the centre.
We should be telling Brunty to stay out there and ping it in every chance he gets, couldn't care if he only touches the ball 10 times and smokes a couple of fags the rest of the time, 10 balls into the box from Brunty are worth 100 each from Matt (stepover, stepover, hit the 1st man) Phillips or Jay (what am I doing out wide) Rodriguez.

I agree, he is not a central midfielder, square pegs in round holes don't work, we've seen it for too long. Get your players in their best positions, Brunts is either wide left or left back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on March 08, 2018, 06:21:16 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted, but Chris Brunt triggers a 12 month contract extension with another two appearances.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/07/chris-brunt-two-games-away-triggering-west-brom-contract-extension/
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Jimmy on March 20, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
If brunt goes to pulis' Middlesbrough I will cry. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
New deal triggered. Wouldn't begrudge him a move back to Boro if they get promoted though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 21, 2018, 06:30:18 AM
If brunt goes to pulis' Middlesbrough I will cry. No doubt about it.
I'd be very surprised If he went to Boro after Pulis bombed him out earlier this season.
Another reason why we need to get wheels in motion and show what we intend to do next season regarding keeping key players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2018, 07:03:49 AM
You couldn't begrudge Brunty a move to any club with ambition if that's what he wanted, been a good servant to this club.
Sadly we're pretty devoid of ambition at the moment.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on March 21, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
New deal triggered. Wouldn't begrudge him a move back to Boro if they get promoted though.

Brunt came from Sheff Wed didn't he?
it's Morrison who came from Boro right?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 21, 2018, 09:34:39 AM
Brunt came from Sheff Wed didn't he, it's Morrison who came from Boro?

He was in the Boro youth team if memory serves
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on March 21, 2018, 09:35:53 AM
He was in the Boro youth team if memory serves

Ah I see, I just had a quick look on Wiki, he does appear to have been in Boro's youth team but never made a senior appearance for them. Was shipped out on Loan to Sheff Wed and then stayed there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on March 21, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
I would like to think that CB will stay. Even though he got his break at Sheffield he has been with us a long time now and seems to be Albion through and through. Can see some sort of role for him after he is done with playing..... certainly one of the few on the pitch that cares these days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on March 22, 2018, 12:18:07 PM
Brunty has been my favourite Albion player for the last 10 years.
The goals and assists he made were season defining at times.
Never grumbled, played with the same commitment in any position requested.
He and Mozza would make my all time favourites list, no bother at all.
The best days work Mowbray did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 22, 2018, 07:45:26 PM
Brunty has been my favourite Albion player for the last 10 years.
The goals and assists he made were season defining at times.
Never grumbled, played with the same commitment in any position requested.
He and Mozza would make my all time favourites list, no bother at all.
The best days work Mowbray did.

I'd agree with every word of that
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 23, 2018, 08:27:33 PM
I think CB has huge affection for us as a club. The best years of his career have been spent here. He is very settled in Streetly with kids in local schools so he has a lot of reasons to stay.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on March 24, 2018, 12:24:06 PM
Indeed a great servant for the football club and at his best a very good player.  The fans appreciate his loyalty.  I remember the So'ton equaliser which sealed our EPL return.

TBH our impending relegation has come at the right time for him as without meaning to be disrespectful I don't think he's premier league class anymore and certainly not for 90mins. 

I think he's almost followed the same path as Greening (who was bright early in his WBA career).  A lack of pace hindered Greening who also wanted to play centre mid instead of wing. 

Looking back on this season our midfield has been dire in terms of lack of pace and the Barry signing was a mistake.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on March 24, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Looking back on this season our midfield has been dire in terms of lack of pace and the Barry signing was a mistake.

Brunt should never have been moved from left back. Whilst the majority of the fan base on here were lauding our transfer window in August I was appalled by the failure to sign a pace goalscorer and annoyed we'd stacked the squad with slow old midfielders. I was also disappointed we signed a full back from Arsenal who has never been able to defend and was a liability. I feared we'd get relegated. Sadly I was right.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 24, 2018, 02:28:52 PM
Well that's it then, I've got my crystal ball out and shall congratulate myself because I said Mulumbu would be great for us.😀
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on March 24, 2018, 03:58:08 PM
I've always just liked how Brunty is a bit of an anomaly in modern football, as a slow winger whose best attributes are his delivery rather than trickery and fifa street style tekkerz.  I also find it quite funny that despite his attributes making it seem obvious he'd suit playing centrally he's just pants there.  I think a lot of our managers haven't really known how best to use him, which I think is a shame and probably not helped his career.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on March 25, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
I always likened him to a left sided Beckham, not pacey or a great dribbler, but a master of producing a killer ball, whether from a cross, a corner or free kick.
As well as the Saints equaliser his stunning free kick at QPR clinched the Championship title.
Some of the goals he scored like the ones at Goodison and the Riverside were top drawer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 21, 2018, 08:21:49 AM
I always likened him to a left sided Beckham, not pacey or a great dribbler, but a master of producing a killer ball, whether from a cross, a corner or free kick.
As well as the Saints equaliser his stunning free kick at QPR clinched the Championship title.
Some of the goals he scored like the ones at Goodison and the Riverside were top drawer.

Can see the similarities you suggest.
However best goals of his for me were either at villa away or his absolute rocket Barnsley away
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2018, 11:49:52 AM
Can see the similarities you suggest.
However best goals of his for me were either at villa away or his absolute rocket Barnsley away


Yeovil away wasn't bad he was miles out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Thought he was very good for us today in the middle and really knocked the ball around well. Also thought Livermore was good today, bar the one awful pass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 21, 2018, 05:16:55 PM
Thought he was very good for us today in the middle and really knocked the ball around well. Also thought Livermore was good today, bar the one awful pass.

Thought he was mixed, did the simple stuff okay but too many hit and hope balls not just from Brunt though to be fair.

He needs to be out wide, the cross from the free kick to Rondon showed what an asset he is from wide, like to see him at left back next season if Gibbs moves on with a new central midfielder coming in or maybe more than one.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 21, 2018, 05:22:40 PM
50th assist in the Premier League for Brunt. Well done to him. Just for interest, our next biggest is Morrison on 24
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2018, 05:46:34 PM
Very relieved Brunt hasn't got a release clause. Ideal for any other club outside the top 6 for a year or two.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 21, 2018, 05:52:41 PM

Yeovil away wasn't bad he was miles out.

Forgot about that one
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on April 21, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
Very relieved Brunt hasn't got a release clause. Ideal for any other club outside the top 6 for a year or two.
No release clause doesn't mean no offers, though I expect he will be with us next season. We haven't exactly been deluged with offers for him over the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on April 21, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
Did anyone else notice him hurl the ball in the refs direction after the first goal?
He was livid after the lino didn't give offside in the build up, then as the ref was running towards the halfway line Brunt took the ball from the net and bowled it overarm. I would say he definitely threw it towards the ref, because the ref was towards the dugouts near halfway. From where I was (Woodman) it didn't look like it missed by too much, but I was some distance away

Shows he cares
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 21, 2018, 07:01:11 PM
No release clause doesn't mean no offers, though I expect he will be with us next season. We haven't exactly been deluged with offers for him over the last 10 years.
that we know of
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on April 23, 2018, 09:21:46 AM
Reported in the E&S that Chris Brunt is committing his immediate future to West Bromwich Albion and he believes other players will also committee

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/22/chris-brunt-is-planning-to-stay-and-help-rebuild-west-brom-next-season/

Good news for the stability of the club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 23, 2018, 09:45:04 AM
Reported in the E&S that Chris Brunt is committing his immediate future to West Bromwich Albion and he believes other players will also committee

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/22/chris-brunt-is-planning-to-stay-and-help-rebuild-west-brom-next-season/

Good news for the stability of the club

Jeez! thats all we need, a players committee  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 23, 2018, 01:12:06 PM
50th Premier League assist for us Saturday. Only the 36th player to hit that overall, and he is now on the same number as Dwight Yorke, Nicky Barmby, and Mesut Ozil.

Saturday was also his 371st appearance for us, moving him into the top twenty of all time.

Absolute Albion legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 24, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
50th Premier League assist for us Saturday. Only the 36th player to hit that overall, and he is now on the same number as Dwight Yorke, Nicky Barmby, and Mesut Ozil.

Saturday was also his 371st appearance for us, moving him into the top twenty of all time.

Absolute Albion legend.

It's a shame he's not going to knock odemwingie off the top spot for goals. But even so. Considering he's got 50 assists in 260 premier league games. That's a really good return.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on April 24, 2018, 11:52:36 PM
Really pleased that Brunty wants to stay on. We need players with commitment to the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Barrington on May 07, 2018, 07:36:27 PM
Chris Brunt is on Radio 5 Live very shortly discussing what has changed under Darren Moore. Thought it may be of interest to some.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 07, 2018, 08:06:38 PM
Chris Brunt is on Radio 5 Live very shortly discussing what has changed under Darren Moore. Thought it may be of interest to some.

Has he been on? If so, what was said?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Barrington on May 08, 2018, 03:41:33 PM
Yeah, he was on, but not for a massive amount of time. Didn't say anything too controversial to be honest. Just that Big Dave had brought unity etc etc. You didn't miss much :)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
I hold the man in high regard but can someone tell me when the last time Chris Brunt scored a free kick? I swear he used to score them regularly?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2018, 04:31:07 PM
I hold the man in high regard but can someone tell me when the last time Chris Brunt scored a free kick? I swear he used to score them regularly?

Without a deflection? Everton away about 8 years ago I think
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 13, 2018, 05:58:47 PM
I hold the man in high regard but can someone tell me when the last time Chris Brunt scored a free kick? I swear he used to score them regularly?

Not sure he was ever a specialist, weakest part of his game for me. Just because he has such a fierce shot and his other set pieces are that delicious that the sky commentators built him up.

This aside for those who are staying he's captain again for me next season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on May 13, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Not sure he was ever a specialist, weakest part of his game for me. Just because he has such a fierce shot and his other set pieces are that delicious that the sky commentators built him up.

This aside for those who are staying he's captain again for me next season
wouldnt get in the team for me and defiently not captain...good to have around the squad but only on the bench
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 13, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
Not sure he was ever a specialist, weakest part of his game for me. Just because he has such a fierce shot and his other set pieces are that delicious that the sky commentators built him up.

This aside for those who are staying he's captain again for me next season


Definitely captain next year. Midfield will need building around him. 100 percent starter next year. Possibly alongside Field who I'm yet to be convinced by.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rons on May 13, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Time to move him on along with Morrison
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on May 13, 2018, 06:47:20 PM
Time to move him on along with Morrison

Keep him for his experience. Mozza has been a great servant to the club but too injury prone. Time to say thank you,goodbye and good luck.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2018, 06:52:34 PM
No way should we be moving him on. He’ll be absolutely fine in the Championship which is probably his level now but at 33 that is no criticism.

He’s almost a one club man and we need to look after our own. I’d be keeping him around as long as we can for experience and moving him into the coaching set up. No way should we be simply discarding Brunt if we are looking to build an identity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on May 13, 2018, 08:20:21 PM
I'd keep Brunty by it's time for Mozza to move on; even counting for injuries he's probably only had a handful of good games in the last three seasons.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2018, 11:33:36 PM
For me Brunt should be on the bench next season. Far too many passes to no one and his dead ball delivery has been well off recently.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2018, 11:56:42 PM
For me Brunt should be on the bench next season. Far too many passes to no one and his dead ball delivery has been well off recently.
Plus the fact that he is 33 years old. We cannot carry on relying on his set pieces which is pretty much what we have been doing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on May 14, 2018, 12:07:30 AM
been a great club man but next season should be his last one, if we get promoted he won't be good enough if we don't go up i doubt he'll have the legs for the championship.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on May 14, 2018, 07:03:55 AM
Were it not for the fact that half of the squad is turning over this summer I would be tempted to call time on his Albion career we are now at the point where each season there is a decision to be made about his future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on August 07, 2018, 09:58:28 PM
This guy is a problem in centre midfield.  Please play him left back instead of Gibbs if we have to.  Until we get some legs in central midfield then we'll have problems getting promoted IMO.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: adamw1109 on August 07, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
This guy is a problem in centre midfield.  Please play him left back instead of Gibbs if we have to.  Until we get some legs in central midfield then we'll have problems getting promoted IMO.

He shouldn't be on the field at all, he he has is a left foot and he can't even use that anymore.

Love the guy and appreciate him massively, but when it's time, it's time... to improve we need to freshen up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2018, 10:02:01 PM
Deffo not a centre mid unfortunately. Can’t see where he fits in, maybe left back but we have Gibbs and Townsend. Sad really
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:06:04 PM
Deffo not a centre mid unfortunately. Can’t see where he fits in, maybe left back but we have Gibbs and Townsend. Sad really

Don't mind him at left back, Gibbs is gash anyway but agree he's not up to much these days. Passing woefully inconsistent, decision making dodgy, no legs, constantly moaning at ref, gives stupid free kicks away. The list of misdemeaners is a long one. Darren Moore can't see it though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on August 07, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Personally wouldn't have him at left back. We've already got someone there who can't win headers or put a decent tackle in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:12:23 PM
Personally wouldn't have him at left back. We've already got someone there who can't win headers or put a decent tackle in.

He's better defensively than Gibbs, but then again so is a blindman. Played well at left back previously, only Zaha tormented him and that was understandable. If not Brunt I'll play Townsend asap. Crossing all my fingers Torino come in for Gibbs, what an awful signing he has proved to be. If Brunt isn't playing left back I don't see a spot for him in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2018, 10:25:51 PM
His best performances in recent seasons have come from left back, hasn't been give the runaround as much as he does in the centre. At left back he can put some great balls in from deep, in the middle its just hit and hope.

Last season he had a rant at Pardew and suddenly he's first name on the teamsheet, its on the pitch where it counts, if it continues it will cost us and sour his time at the club when we should be looking to honour him for his time here.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:32:36 PM
His best performances in recent seasons have come from left back, hasn't been give the runaround as much as he does in the centre. At left back he can put some great balls in from deep, in the middle its just hit and hope.

Spot on. Bearing in mind how bad Gibbs is you'd think the management must surely give it at least some thought, seems like a no brainer unless they think Townsend is good enough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 08, 2018, 10:19:52 AM
Thought Brunt was a passenger for most of the game last night.  Time for an end to the quaterback experiment... Maybe it's something we can go back to if we're desperate for a goal late in a game, but it's not working as a starting strategy.  Forest just had more energy and dynamism, pace and creativity in their midfield.  We were overrun.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 08, 2018, 10:22:53 AM
I'd like to see him doubled up with Gibbs on the left , still got quality in that left peg .The thought of Gayle's movement in front of him is solid , push Barnes elsewhere if needed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pie on August 08, 2018, 10:30:06 AM
I don't think he should be captain to be honest, I noticed a dip in his performances when he last had the captaincy a few seasons ago.

Saying that not sure who else to give it to - more leaders on the pitch please!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 08, 2018, 12:31:15 PM
I'd like to see him doubled up with Gibbs on the left , still got quality in that left peg .The thought of Gayle's movement in front of him is solid , push Barnes elsewhere if needed.
Me too, think this would work better and have Barnes at 10
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 08, 2018, 12:48:40 PM
Chris Brunt is one of my favourite ever Albion players, but time waits for no man, and the fact we still haven't got anybody capable of creating chances or taking a set-piece like he does is a damning indictment, meaning we are still forcing him into the team when he should have been moved aside before now.

He should be an impact sub now, no more.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on August 21, 2018, 06:04:20 PM
hear he's called it a day for international football. 65 caps over 14 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on August 21, 2018, 06:26:06 PM
I personally feel the team would be better with a more mobile central midfielder in there, or even having Barry in as a defensive foil (Brunt does not seem to add either of these). His best attribute is that he does create chances but do we have enough with Barnes, Phillips and Gibbs in attacking positions?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KYA on August 21, 2018, 06:31:04 PM
Irrespective of whether he should be in the side or not it's sad to here he has retired from international football that must have been a hard call for him.
He says it's to concentrate on playing for Albion Brunty is a true pro and i hope he can see out this season and look back with pride he has been a brilliant servant for the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 21, 2018, 06:37:51 PM
Irrespective of whether he should be in the side or not it's sad to here he has retired from international football that must have been a hard call for him.
He says it's to concentrate on playing for Albion Brunty is a true pro and i hope he can see out this season and look back with pride he has been a brilliant servant for the club.

Isn't he the wba player who received the most international caps whilst donning the stripes? Still gutted that he missed out on the euros as he Davies Evans McAuley really dragged them to that tournament

You only have to look at McAuley record both here and with NI and you will see how many Brunt assisted in from dead balls.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on August 21, 2018, 06:53:48 PM
Well done brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: vrabbit on August 25, 2018, 12:57:46 AM
it pains me to say it because he's a club legend as far as I'm concerned but he needs to be demoted to a role off the bench. We have better players for the wide positions and I supported his move to CM because I thought he could make than transition but it's become obvious he's not a fit there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2018, 01:05:53 AM
If Chris Brunt was available in the transfer window right now for a low fee, would we buy him? I struggle to see a scenario where we do.

He seems the sort of player who should by now be at a club like Blues or Reading. The only reason he is still at  a club with our aspirations is because he was here when hevwas good and he has become a piece of thr furniture.

It's a bit like the frog in the slowly heating water. His regression has crept up on us, and the fact we are still relying in a near 34 year old to dictate the tempo of our play says a lot about our lack of direction.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 25, 2018, 03:52:14 AM
This has gone on way too long. For those that are interested, go back to the very first page of this thread. I know it was only one page, but the theme never seems to change.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 25, 2018, 04:12:20 AM
Brunt being hung out to dry by big dave. He's not going to be comfy in a 2 Man midfield. Between him and Livermore for me there isn't much in it. One of them needs dropping. Livermore more like a rugby centre than a central midfielder. Brunt needs to be on the left whipping in crosses.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 25, 2018, 05:03:58 AM
Still got lots to offer and still has quality others don't .
As I posted before I'm a big fan but I can see him struggling in a middle two , the footballing brain is there but the legs are not.
He needs to be out on the left side or not at all now , actually think Moore isn't doing him any favours at all playing him CM.
I'd hate to see such a player fade away badly after all he's done with and for Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 25, 2018, 05:58:26 AM
Brunt being hung out to dry by big dave. He's not going to be comfy in a 2 Man midfield. Between him and Livermore for me there isn't much in it. One of them needs dropping. Livermore more like a rugby centre than a central midfielder. Brunt needs to be on the left whipping in crosses.
the problem playing brunt left wing you would habe to change formation etc just to fit him in..i think albion fans need to realise he doesnt fit in our system now he really does seem to have gone downwards quickly and to make him captain is a joke
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: P Anderson on August 25, 2018, 07:21:12 AM
Not a big brunt fan. Surely it’s time to move him on or put him on the bench, central midfield is the main engine room of most teams in the championship. He has not offered enough for far too long. He constantly over hits balls, makes poor tackles and is a very poor captain.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on August 25, 2018, 07:35:33 AM
Anyone else agree with me he's been our most over-rated player over the last 5 - 6 seasons? Far too slow, can't tackle, and hits one decent pass/cross for every ten embarrassing ones.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on August 25, 2018, 09:06:45 AM
Brunt is still one of our most effective passers of the ball, the growing problem is that he no longer has the legs to get around the midfield and defensively he can't get caught out the wrong side of the ball because he isn't going to recover. As such he is dropping into a deep sitting play maker role.

Now I like a deep sitting play maker but tactically we aren't supposed to be playing with one our midfield trio is set up

                                                              Brunt    Livermore


                                                                       Barnes

The central midfield two has to work as a unit. Moving up and down the pitch in line with the wing backs out of possession or behind them in possession. What tends to happen is Livermore goes and Brunt sits. This makes the midfield disjointed. At points last night the 3 were in a near vertical line which is easily by passed and a better team than Boro would have made mincemeat of that situation.

The inescapable fact is there is only one way that we can accommodate the deep sitting play maker that Chris Brunt seems to want to evolve into with our current midfield combinations is to ditch the 10 role, the squad has 3 good options at 10 but virtually none in a 2 man midfield playing ahead of a play maker. In point of fact Moore would have to completely reconfigure the shape to make this happen and frankly it isn't worth it.

I don't want to call time on Brunt and we will get away with this more often than we won't in this Division but it is fast becoming an Achilles heal.         

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on August 25, 2018, 09:13:57 AM
I felt sorry for him last night, his legacy is getting tainted every time he starts as he's clearly too slow these days. This isn't his fault but starting him makes him look bad. The same happened with Olsson who was arguably one of our best CB's of the modern era. He got played an extra season longer than he should and it was clearly too much.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on August 25, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
Love and respect Morrison and Brunt for their contribution to our success over the last 10 years or so.
But now they are becoming part of our demise.
We have to move forward without these two stalwarts, sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on August 25, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
Brunt is still one of our most effective passers of the ball, the growing problem is that he no longer has the legs to get around the midfield and defensively he can't get caught out the wrong side of the ball because he isn't going to recover. As such he is dropping into a deep sitting play maker role.

Now I like a deep sitting play maker but tactically we aren't supposed to be playing with one our midfield trio is set up

                                                              Brunt    Livermore


                                                                       Barnes

The central midfield two has to work as a unit. Moving up and down the pitch in line with the wing backs out of possession or behind them in possession. What tends to happen is Livermore goes and Brunt sits. This makes the midfield disjointed. At points last night the 3 were in a near vertical line which is easily by passed and a better team than Boro would have made mincemeat of that situation.

The inescapable fact is there is only one way that we can accommodate the deep sitting play maker that Chris Brunt seems to want to evolve into with our current midfield combinations is to ditch the 10 role, the squad has 3 good options at 10 but virtually none in a 2 man midfield playing ahead of a play maker. In point of fact Moore would have to completely reconfigure the shape to make this happen and frankly it isn't worth it.

I don't want to call time on Brunt and we will get away with this more often than we won't in this Division but it is fast becoming an Achilles heal.         

Spot on for me, if have him as an option off the bench if we were struggling to break down a deep lying block.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 25, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
Love and respect Morrison and Brunt for their contribution to our success over the last 10 years or so.
But now they are becoming part of our demise.
We have to move forward without these two stalwarts, sooner rather than later.
Absolutely spot on mate, as supporters we are often reluctant to let go (for me McCauley), but for the Manger it will get him sacked. We have young players desperate for their chance, and they are being denied.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2018, 10:43:19 AM
Spot on for me, if have him as an option off the bench if we were struggling to break down a deep lying block.

Not sure how that works as he is currently starting and playing the 90 minutes against sides we are struggling to break down, simple answer for me would be bring him off the bench out wide to try and get some crosses in as in the middle its all backwards or hit and hope.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
Not sure how that works as he is currently starting and playing the 90 minutes against sides we are struggling to break down, simple answer for me would be bring him off the bench out wide to try and get some crosses in as in the middle its all backwards or hit and hope.

I think that's what baggiebof is getting at, coming off the bench when we are struggling against defnesive teams purely to put crosses into the box.

That is his role for me now, no point having hom there in some fabled "quarter back" role. I've yet to see a successful team who had a pkayer playing in that quarter back role. It just leads to long ball football. Gerrard looked rubbish every time i saw Liverpool play him in that way near the end of his career (not that I ever rated him that highly anyway).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on August 25, 2018, 10:51:35 AM
Not sure how that works as he is currently starting and playing the 90 minutes against sides we are struggling to break down, simple answer for me would be bring him off the bench out wide to try and get some crosses in as in the middle its all backwards or hit and hope.

Yes regarding him being an option out wide but separately I don't think we've played too many sides that we have had complete control of the midfield, most have actually pressed us. Bolton Sat back as did QPR in the second half (forced back) but otherwise, teams have gotten amongst us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on August 25, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
Brunt been a great servant for us but it's clear to see he is not able to play CM anymore even at this level. Most obvious change that needs making.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on August 25, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
I don't see how Brunt can be dropped, not because he doesn't deserve to be, but because Darren very quickly (too quickly?) made him captain. By making him captain, he was making a statement about his opinion about Brunt's ability and leadership skills. To drop him after just a few games would make him look more than  a little silly, and a poor judge, and I don't think he will do it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on August 25, 2018, 01:16:21 PM
People with the repsonsibility of these kind of decisions need to be able to put their egos aside. Anyone who can't is useless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 25, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
I don't see how Brunt can be dropped, not because he doesn't deserve to be, but because Darren very quickly (too quickly?) made him captain. By making him captain, he was making a statement about his opinion about Brunt's ability and leadership skills. To drop him after just a few games would make him look more than  a little silly, and a poor judge, and I don't think he will do it.

Being a head coaches, amongst other things, is about making the hard decisions, sometimes having to admit you may have got something wrong and putting it right regardless of what others think of you
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tylerm on August 25, 2018, 01:34:02 PM
Brunt is aweful in central midfield. Persisting with him isn’t fair. The fans will turn on him and later Moore if he doesn’t change it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2018, 01:41:53 PM
Its common knowledge i've never been Brunts biggest fan, I do appreciate the qualities he has with his crosses and set-piece delivery although neither areas are as consistent as they were previously and due to his service I do had an admiration for him.

Where he has not been good enough to play in the centre in the Premier Moore still persists in doing so in the lower division and after 5 games he has not done anything to justify being there ahead of more natural replacements, we've had 2 home games where we've been abject for a game and half and then excellent for one half against QPR. Three away games where again we were abject first half at Forest and again last night plus both good and bad at Norwich from the bits I saw.

As said it is in danger of souring a long spell at this club if Moore persists with it, we've already had incidents with idiots having a go at him.

Livermore has been both half decent and poor in all those games but Brunt hasn't cut it so for me needs to be the one replacing. We're not far from being a decent side, going forward we have the quality but defensively we don't, thats partly down to the midfield duo. Over time both need replacing but for now it has to be Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 25, 2018, 05:06:02 PM
Is it just me who seems to see him constantly pointing back towards the GK when we are in possession of the ball in midfield?
Shows no real intent to take it on or to receive the ball other than to go for the old hit it and hope lump forward
Sadly getting well past his 'best before' date
Sorry Chris but you are currently a liability, but sadly not the only one
COYB
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 25, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
Is it just me who seems to see him constantly pointing back towards the GK when we are in possession of the ball in midfield?
Shows no real intent to take it on or to receive the ball other than to go for the old hit it and hope lump forward
Sadly getting well past his 'best before' date
Sorry Chris but you are currently a liability, but sadly not the only one
COYB

Both of you should have gone to SpecSavers  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 25, 2018, 06:07:01 PM
Livermore is as equally ineffective as Brunt in my opinion. 

Both are big characters, both offer leadership and both are great guys to have in the club - encouraging the younger players, managing the dressing room etc.

However, as good as all that is it shouldn't mean they get a by into the first XI. 

Personally I'd like Moore to be bold and drop both and give Barry and Field a run of games together - but I can't see him dropping either any time soon.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 26, 2018, 01:15:47 AM
What does he offer? Age is catching up unfortunately. Great servant, but  nowhere near his previous days

No goals, no assists from open play, no shots, cant defend, cant tackle, no legs to get around the pitch..

As for this apparent wand of left foot?? Well...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on August 26, 2018, 07:13:17 AM
Not sure how that works as he is currently starting and playing the 90 minutes against sides we are struggling to break down, simple answer for me would be bring him off the bench out wide to try and get some crosses in as in the middle its all backwards or hit and hope.
I was going to post exactly this.  Talisman and mentor off the pitch, maybe on the bench to come on as an old head if we need it, backup for the inevitable injuries/ suspensions.  I wouldn't be surprised if Pulis hadn't told his players on Friday to run past Brunt and look to catch that trailing leg he sticks out... as they did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 26, 2018, 10:37:30 AM
Brunt's lack of positional sense in the middle of the park is horrendous and why is he being persistently played there only Darren Moore knows. Right now his inclusion at CM is detrimental to the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 26, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
Its sad, in my view, to  watch the demise of a stalwart of the club in this manner.

Every game I hope he will put in a performance, for his sake as much as anybodies, but most of what I see is that of a frustrated footballer
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on August 26, 2018, 12:07:27 PM
I thought today's coaching was all about data, Re-watching matches and analysing performances of players etc? Surely they have seen so far that Brunt waste's alot of ball retention, His shooting is woeful as well. Gave the pen away against Norwich with a lazy leg, Always panic's when his got the ball hence why he predominantly passes it back to defenders.

His a legend at the club, But his actually not helping us at all while his in the middle, Our only option is Barry who's 40 and Field who hasn't played for well over a year. Shocking that all these coaches and staff can't see what it seems 90% of us can.

CM is suppose to be the engine of the team, Our 2 in the middle are more push bikes with one of them giving the other a backie.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 26, 2018, 12:16:41 PM
There is of course a few things to consider, just ideas I'm not itk

After foster etc going is Dave rewarding the loyalty?
Is Dave scared of the bigger personalities (brunt/Livermore etc)?
Did he see how field didn't speak well of Pardew and looks at it that the kid shouldn't be speaking out against a manager?
Is he just massively out of his depth?, I'm pretty sure most of us could have got a win vs Norwich/qpr?
Is he falling for the "ignore the masses stick to what you think, and it's now an issue?

I'd suggest if there was a pole on "should we persist with brunt and Livermore in cm", the results would be at least 75% against
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2018, 12:27:34 PM
Some quite obviously misinformed posts in this thread. I've seen now numerous posters saying he panics in possession, this is patently not true he's as comfortable on the ball as anyone in the division. Hammer him for his faults (lazy fouls etc.) But don't just make stuff up. He's also far from our only problem and is playing no worse than his midfield partner who is supposedly an actual CM.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on August 26, 2018, 12:36:41 PM
Some quite obviously misinformed posts in this thread. I've seen now numerous posters saying he panics in possession, this is patently not true he's as comfortable on the ball as anyone in the division. Hammer him for his faults (lazy fouls etc.) But don't just make stuff up. He's also far from our only problem and is playing no worse than his midfield partner who is supposedly an actual CM.


I agree with the first part of your post but I'd have to disagree slightly with the second part. I thought Livermore was the better of the two against both QPR and Boro and I'm far from his biggest fan.

Brunt isn't our only problem I agree with you there too. The goalkeeper isn't inspiring me,  defensively we're getting better as we go along but we're unbalanced there with no natural right back to choose from and J Rod isn't doing enough either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on August 26, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Big Dave seems to be picking players on their past and status not on merit which is unacceptable. I don’t see him dropping Brunt from central midfield any time soon so I’d imagine this thread is going to run and run. Similar to the politics of last season that GMAC has recently been commenting on. Certain players are picked regardless of their form or ability.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Big Al on August 26, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
Chris has continued his habit of silly fouls committed due to his lack of pace. With his central position this can be very costly. His inevitable ban will allow a change in personnel within 10 matches.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 26, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
Chris has continued his habit of silly fouls committed due to his lack of pace. With his central position this can be very costly. His inevitable ban will allow a change in personnel within 10 matches.
Oh my god, as quickly as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on August 26, 2018, 10:20:29 PM
To slow with and without ball, only redeeming factor is his wand of a left foot which is a bit crooked these days.  :(
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 26, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Time to leave. Just go.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 27, 2018, 08:55:29 AM
Time to leave. Just go.
And then the posts will be about how the club treated him wrong and he's a legend etc

He's not bad enough to kick out, but he's not so important he shouldn't be dropped, I note you also told Chadli to leave..there is no one at our club and probably the whole championship that can do what he does (I'll wait for the comments about dissapearing) I do find it amusing that there are some players who have seasons out perpetually , Morrison,anderton, Owen and are still lauded, there are others who despite also suffering from genuine injuries get pelters
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on August 27, 2018, 09:29:22 AM
I fully agree with your comments Zippy and Bungle.... although I am trying to work out who Owen and Anderton are. Brunt has a part to play albeit not in current position. As for Chadli, I personally believe he could make a great impact if he remains at the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 27, 2018, 09:53:39 AM
And then the posts will be about how the club treated him wrong and he's a legend etc

Anyone calling him a legend is nuts
 
He's not bad enough to kick out, but he's not so important he shouldn't be dropped,[/b]

True, if he playing for US

 I note you also told Chadli to leave..there is no one at our club and probably the whole championship that can do what he does (I'll wait for the comments about dissapearing)

 To disappear he has to be seen there in the 1st place.[/b] he's not even on the bench but when mentally fit & playing i agree with your 2nd point.
 
 I do find it amusing that there are some players who have seasons out perpetually , Morrison,anderton, Owen and are still lauded, there are others who despite also suffering from genuine injuries get pelters
[/b]

Morrison for me is a sub at best but the club kept him instead of investing in a younger a/m.
Chadli has the ability but has not shown it here on more than a few occasions.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Personally not a big fan of 3 at the back , I'd much prefer Brunt wide left with Gibbs over lapping . His footballing brain with pace elsewhere would suit the side much better IMO , pains me to see him struggling in the middle and his crossing wasted.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on August 27, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
Personally not a big fan of 3 at the back , I'd much prefer Brunt wide left with Gibbs over lapping . His footballing brain with pace elsewhere would suit the side much better IMO , pains me to see him struggling in the middle and his crossing wasted.


We've no one to get on the end of his crossing now anyway. Gayle isn't going to score those type of goals nor is Burke. You may get the odd one out of Robson-Kanu or Rodriguez but not nearly the amount we'd need.

We're evolving as a team, playing a different way. Unfortunately Brunt's crossing is pretty much redundant now other than from set pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2018, 11:13:30 AM

We've no one to get on the end of his crossing now anyway. Gayle isn't going to score those type of goals nor is Burke. You may get the odd one out of Robson-Kanu or Rodriguez but not nearly the amount we'd need.

We're evolving as a team, playing a different way. Unfortunately Brunt's crossing is pretty much redundant now other than from set pieces.
Have to disagree with that , we played different under Mowbray and Gera was always a threat from Brunt's crosses . I would like to see a target man added (not holding much hope).
Already this season Phillips has crossed a number of times but nobody in this squad can cross a ball like Brunt IMO. Its a big weapon not being used .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maccbaggie on August 27, 2018, 11:46:01 AM
Have to disagree with that , we played different under Mowbray and Gera was always a threat from Brunt's crosses . I would like to see a target man added (not holding much hope).
Already this season Phillips has crossed a number of times but nobody in this squad can cross a ball like Brunt IMO. Its a big weapon not being used .
True, but Gera was excellent in the air - I'm not sure we have anyone like him to get on the end of crosses?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 27, 2018, 11:51:53 AM
Did Brunt take the corners against Boro?  I'd have said that corners were one of the strengths of his game.  (It's certainly not playing CM.)  We are in transition and, maybe, with changes in central defence, attacking midfield and attack Moore just wanted a bit of stability at the centre of the team.  Right now Brunt looks like the weakests link.  (It's him or Hegazi IMO.) 

I'd like to try Field there, or if Harper can put in another MoM performance against Mansfield maybe he should get a chance against our championship rivals?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2018, 11:53:15 AM
Did Brunt take the corners against Boro?  I'd have said that corners were one of the strengths of his game.  (It's certainly not playing CM.)  We are in transition and, maybe, with changes in central defence, attacking midfield and attack Moore just wanted a bit of stability at the centre of the team.  Right now Brunt looks like the weakests link.  (It's him or Hegazi IMO.) 

I'd like to try Field there, or if Harper can put in another MoM performance against Mansfield maybe he should get a chance against our championship rivals?
Mainly Phillips if i remember , even from Brunt's best side on one occasion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
True, but Gera was excellent in the air - I'm not sure we have anyone like him to get on the end of crosses?
Was hoping that may have been sorted by now , can't see it this late.
JRod probably our best bet .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2018, 12:01:53 PM
Watch Mendy. They're the types of crosses we need with Gayle up top. Brunt capable of this type of cross also though we'll persist in central midfield imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on August 27, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
Watch Mendy. They're the types of crosses we need with Gayle up top. Brunt capable of this type of cross also though we'll persist in central midfield imo.

Mendy is a 40m rapid out and out left back. Can't compare to Chris brunt..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2018, 12:42:54 PM
Mendy is a 40m rapid out and out left back. Can't compare to Chris brunt..


The comparison was the crosses.  ???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 27, 2018, 12:50:04 PM
Chris Brunt is a left winger.

Fortunately, most managers that have tried to get him into the centre of midfield have discovered after a game or two that it doesn't work. The current incumbent has not for some bizarre reason.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on August 27, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
Brunt is a left winger who needs someone overlapping him usually from the half way line. Unfortunately he has no legs or skill to beat a man and I cant remember the last time he got to the byline and lifted a decent cross into the danger area.
Left back he can not tackle, Centre mid he is a liability personally I think his last good game was against Yeovil. Brunty says the right things and seems part of  the furniture, to much sentiment in the club and no real ambition.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Brunt still has a lot to offer. Just not in the current CM setup with Livermore. He should be playing LW, LB or LWB and as an emergency CM when injuries dictate.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on August 27, 2018, 03:38:20 PM
Left wing does he compare with Barnes or Chadli ?
Left back does he compare with Gibbs or Townsend?
Left wing back does he compare with Gibbs, Townsend or Chadli?
I know about Chadli but he is still here so my answer would be NO, therefore shoe horned into centre mid where he does not have the pace, engine, drive, ball retention or capability to win battle for a ball to much sentiment Vanderlei.
Please look back on my comments on Brunty, Ive thought this for years and believe others through sentiment and our survival have had their heads in the sand for years.     
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 27, 2018, 03:51:19 PM
i think Chris isn't bothered were he plays has long has he's on the pitch playing. that's why managers past & present love him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
Left wing does he compare with Barnes or Chadli ?
Left back does he compare with Gibbs or Townsend?
Left wing back does he compare with Gibbs, Townsend or Chadli?
I know about Chadli but he is still here so my answer would be NO, therefore shoe horned into centre mid where he does not have the pace, engine, drive, ball retention or capability to win battle for a ball to much sentiment Vanderlei.
Please look back on my comments on Brunty, Ive thought this for years and believe others through sentiment and our survival have had their heads in the sand for years.   

I didn't say he should be starting. He should be competing for places in those positions. On current form, I agree, he would be on the bench, but I'm not having people saying we should get rid of him. Brunt still has a lot to offer, he just needs to be playing in the correct position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 28, 2018, 10:58:07 AM
I really don't want Brunty playing centre midfield, it wasn't his position in his pomp let alone now his legs are going....but in his defence.

Left wing.  No, he doesn't compare with Chadli - he actually plays! Barnes is a wonderful talent but I would like to see him given the floating role permanently so he can grown into it.  So yes, there is still room for Brunty to challenge for a wing place.

Left back.  Gibbs is good going forward at times but his performance against Bolton was exasperating.  I don't think I have ever seen him win a proper 50/50 challenge and he is poor in the air at the back post.  I think Brunty would again be able to contest a place at left back.   Townsend - not seen enough of him yet, lets hope he soon leaves us with no need to consider Brunt as a left back.

In regards to centre mid, Chadli is actually the problem here alongside Barry, whilst they are still at the club with the one in, one out, policy we will not bring in another CM or AM.   Does Barry have more pace, drive or capability to win a battle for a ball more than Brunty - you tell me.
 
Chadli wont play, Barry probably can't play and Mozza has never been a deep lying centre midfielder.  That leaves Livermore, who has a great engine but struggles to make a 10 yard forward pass and the kids so unless the management team properly blood the kids there aren't many other options.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
I really don't want Brunty playing centre midfield, it wasn't his position in his pomp let alone now his legs are going....but in his defence.

Left wing.  No, he doesn't compare with Chadli - he actually plays! Barnes is a wonderful talent but I would like to see him given the floating role permanently so he can grown into it.  So yes, there is still room for Brunty to challenge for a wing place.

Left back.  Gibbs is good going forward at times but his performance against Bolton was exasperating.  I don't think I have ever seen him win a proper 50/50 challenge and he is poor in the air at the back post.  I think Brunty would again be able to contest a place at left back.   Townsend - not seen enough of him yet, lets hope he soon leaves us with no need to consider Brunt as a left back.

In regards to centre mid, Chadli is actually the problem here alongside Barry, whilst they are still at the club with the one in, one out, policy we will not bring in another CM or AM.   Does Barry have more pace, drive or capability to win a battle for a ball more than Brunty - you tell me.
 
Chadli wont play, Barry probably can't play and Mozza has never been a deep lying centre midfielder.  That leaves Livermore, who has a great engine but struggles to make a 10 yard forward pass and the kids so unless the management team properly blood the kids there aren't many other options.

Well he's spent his career playing in the top league in that position for good teams, no he doesn't have pace but he can tackle, pass a ball and harry his opponents, improvement on Brunt for me 100%
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 28, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
I would be delighted if Barry's legs hold out for one more season and he provides a solution to our CM problem. I saw the Premier league pass him by last year but maybe his experience can make up for his lack of pace at this level.  I agree that if he cam get about the pitch he should be preferable to Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2018, 08:52:05 PM
I would be delighted if Barry's legs hold out for one more season and he provides a solution to our CM problem. I saw the Premier league pass him by last year but maybe his experience can make up for his lack of pace at this level.  I agree that if he cam get about the pitch he should be preferable to Brunty.


He's not doing anything to change Darrens mind tonight. Neat and tidy but painfully slow and defensively poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on August 28, 2018, 08:55:18 PM

He's not doing anything to change Darrens mind tonight. Neat and tidy but painfully slow and defensively poor.

Like Brunt then except also neat and tidy. Will take that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 28, 2018, 08:56:53 PM
Like Brunt then except also neat and tidy. Will take that.


League 2 oppo. 3 years ago he'd be running the game. Too old mate. Brunt will play Saturday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on September 01, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
Think he’s getting some unfair stick at the moment. Every misplaced pass in getting a groan, whereas I think he put in a fair few interceptions and tackles. Most of his forward passes set us up for attacks too. Hope he’s not becoming a boo boy
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on September 01, 2018, 07:55:45 PM
Brunt was really good today, especially first half with some excellent forward balls.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
Was his best game of the season so far.

I think for the most part it's because Stoke stood off him far too much, which is odd considering his range of passing. With other teams, he's been allowed no time on the ball which has taken his passing out of the game - and rendered him fairly useless at times as a result. But today Stoke gave him loads of space which was a big mistake.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: slate on September 01, 2018, 08:25:25 PM
Think he’s getting some unfair stick at the moment. Every misplaced pass in getting a groan, whereas I think he put in a fair few interceptions and tackles. Most of his forward passes set us up for attacks too. Hope he’s not becoming a boo boy

He does seem to be the latest target since Robson-Kanu has been dropped to the bench.

Some fans seem to have forgotten that this guy has dedicated his career to our club and has performed very well over a number of years. In an age of mercenaries he should be considered a modern day hero.

He's not a central midfielder. Never has been and never will be.

If he plays then Moore must play him at LB or LM.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: throstle on September 02, 2018, 09:25:41 PM
He does seem to be the latest target since Robson-Kanu has been dropped to the bench.

Some fans seem to have forgotten that this guy has dedicated his career to our club and has performed very well over a number of years. In an age of mercenaries he should be considered a modern day hero.

Fans have no sense of perspective until it's too late. Remember standing on the BRE in October 1979 for a 4-1 win v Coventry in what turned out to be Bomber's penultimate game at the Hawthorns. Bomber was the target for the boo boys all afternoon and they sarcastically cheered his two late goals (his last goals for Albion). Unbelievable but true.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on September 02, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
Fans have no sense of perspective until it's too late. Remember standing on the BRE in October 1979 for a 4-1 win v Coventry in what turned out to be Bomber's penultimate game at the Hawthorns. Bomber was the target for the boo boys all afternoon and they sarcastically cheered his two late goals (his last goals for Albion). Unbelievable but true.

Wow, really?

That’s awful if that was the case! Not got a problem with anyone criticising Brunt’s form or stating he isn’t a centre midfield but it baffles me when you hear people calling him every name under the sun.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on September 03, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
Wow, really?

That’s awful if that was the case! Not got a problem with anyone criticising Brunt’s form or stating he isn’t a centre midfield but it baffles me when you hear people calling him every name under the sun.
Agree. There's absolutely no need for the personal stick he's getting, he's doing the job he's being asked to do to the best of his ability, it's just not his natural position and it doesn't really suit him.
That being said, he had a decent game on Saturday, but I think he will always be more comfortable playing there at home because, as you say, he gets more time on the ball when we are on the front foot. It's away where his frailties really show, because we approach far more conservatively which means his priority becomes defending and closing down, which are just not his strengths. Same goes for Livermore really, who was excellent on Sat.
We either need to change personnel for away games or just get at them and play to our strength which is attacking with pace (never thought I'd say that again after the last few years)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 03, 2018, 09:22:34 AM
A player should not be exempt from criticism because of length of service or where they're playing. Fair, constructive criticism is perfectly acceptable in my opinion and so far he has quite simply not done anywhere near enough to justify his selection. It's not his fault he continues to be selected but at the same time the repetition of poor positional play is not good.

I understand where people are coming from with the over the top criticisms mind.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: miggybaggy on September 03, 2018, 09:25:22 AM
I'm one of Brunt's critics but he was pretty good on Saturday. Having said that, he has a bit more time and space now because Barnes is absolutely brilliant and always looking to attack immediately he gets the ball....therefore opposition defences are more wary of playing a higher line and pressing Brunty et al.

IMO Barnes will play for England one day. Lets enjoy him while we can.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on September 03, 2018, 09:29:41 AM
Nothing wrong with criticism at all, that’s the whole point of a forum so we can discuss who played well and who needs to improve. Up until this Saturday Brunt hasn’t been doing great in my opinion although that is down to where he is being asked to play.

My point is there’s a difference to saying the above on a forum to hearing ‘f**k off Brunt you useless c**t’ that I’ve heard at games this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 03, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Nothing wrong with criticism at all, that’s the whole point of a forum so we can discuss who played well and who needs to improve. Up until this Saturday Brunt hasn’t been doing great in my opinion although that is down to where he is being asked to play in my opinion.

My point is there’s a difference to saying the above on a forum to hearing ‘f**k off Brunt you useless c**t’ that I’ve heard at games this season.

A player should not be exempt from criticism because of length of service or where they're playing. Fair, constructive criticism is perfectly acceptable in my opinion and so far he has quite simply not done anywhere near enough to justify his selection. It's not his fault he continues to be selected but at the same time the repetition of poor positional play is not good.

I understand where people are coming from with the over the top criticisms mind.

Agree with you both on this. I've been very critical of Brunt on here but would never hurl abuse at him or anyone else. He did play better on Saturday but is struggling in a position he clearly not suited to. I'd prefer Sam Field to be given the place next to Livermore for a couple of games at least.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on September 03, 2018, 10:09:40 AM
We won Saturday, so Moore will almost certainly start against Brum unchanged, but he'll have to ring the changes as the fixtures pile up
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on September 03, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
It’s quite unbelievable how much criticism is directed at Chris Brunt. He has been a great asset to The Albion, very loyal in an age where that word has almost lost its meaning. Yes, CM might not be his best position but he always gives his best whatever he is asked to do; what do people expect him to do, tell the manager that he won’t play there? What criticism would he receive then? To quote a well known song, ‘You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone’; applaud Chris Brunt all you can because his career won’t last forever and his sort don’t come along very often. Just compare, if you can, Chris Brunt to the thankfully now departed Chadli, who is not fit to lace up Chris’s boots.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on September 03, 2018, 11:16:14 AM
It’s quite unbelievable how much criticism is directed at Chris Brunt. He has been a great asset to The Albion, very loyal in an age where that word has almost lost its meaning. Yes, CM might not be his best position but he always gives his best whatever he is asked to do; what do people expect him to do, tell the manager that he won’t play there? What criticism would he receive then? To quote a well known song, ‘You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone’; applaud Chris Brunt all you can because his career won’t last forever and his sort don’t come along very often. Just compare, if you can, Chris Brunt to the thankfully now departed Chadli, who is not fit to lace up Chris’s boots.
There's two elements that are getting confused here.
Criticism, via a forum, for his performances, is absolutely fine and what a forum is for. Plus, most recognise that it's not down to him but the management picking him out of position and DM is getting just as much, if not more, stick for it. Yes he's been a great servant and yes he deserves our support but you wouldn't pick him in goal would you?
Personal abuse, on match day, is totally unacceptable, especially towards someone who has shown the loyalty and commitment that he has and I don't know anyone that would agree with it.
There is, however, a very distinct difference.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on September 03, 2018, 06:58:09 PM
I don't see any issue apart from the fact that Chris Brunt hasn't been playing well enough. He's had plenty of plaudits when he's done well and criticism when he's fallen below the standard required. Regardless of the position he plays in on the pitch there is no excuse for misplaced basic passes, stupid free kicks, lack of concentration and making basic errors every week. I thought he played much better against Stoke but don't see him as a long term answer in central midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 03, 2018, 07:18:24 PM
Same should go for all the players. Criticise via the forum not by hurling personal abuse in the stadium or by sending them abuse on social media.

I am a huge Brunt fan however even I can recognise he has been one of our weaker elements this season after all he's not a central midfielder by trade. Although I think he played a lot better on Saturday.

My old man always said it takes Brunt 10-12 games to really get going and on form anyway and he's been saying if for best part of a decade.

On the club service 380th game yesterday moved him to 17th in the all time list. Looks on to be in the 400 club at some point this year. Only 4 wba goals away from 50 also
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2018, 09:14:36 AM
As you know Brunty is one of my all time favourites, but his game has dipped when he has been captain, and he was never a CM. I can't help thinking it isn't a bit of an old pals act by Darren Moore.
Of course we don't know what players are like off the pitch, but surely there are better CM's at the club, and equally good leaders?
Love Brunty, but we need to be at our strongest in all departments.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on September 04, 2018, 06:53:46 PM
He's been a brilliant servant to the club - but as I said in an earlier post; sentiment eventually needs to make way for the greater good in the long run; Brunt is not and has never been a CM.

For me he is still great to have as an older head in the dressing room and in the squad/on the bench if you need him, but unless there's a slot available on the left side of midfield (or left back) due to injuries then he should not be starting any more.

He'll be winding down his career in the next 2-3 years and he's been taking the coaching qualifications to get all the badges for the last couple of years too apparently. So with Moore now manager, this could be the perfect opportunity for him to start stepping back a bit from playing and phasing in to the management staff at some point if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on September 04, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
 What would all his critics say if he turned round and said to Darren Moore no boss I'm not playing there its not my forte? Give the bloke a break he's doing the job to the best of his ability,I would though relieve him of the armband as he ain't captain material,but not sure if we have someone in that mould either
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2018, 10:00:20 PM
What would all his critics say if he turned round and said to Darren Moore no boss I'm not playing there its not my forte? Give the bloke a break he's doing the job to the best of his ability,I would though relieve him of the armband as he ain't captain material,but not sure if we have someone in that mould either

That's the thing, he has never complained or sulked since he has been here. Always done whatever asked of him. A model pro.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wigmore on September 04, 2018, 10:07:18 PM
That's the thing, he has never complained or sulked since he has been here. Always done whatever asked of him. A model pro.
Agreed. I wonder how some of our other players would have reacted to being nearly blinded by one of our own 'fans'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on October 03, 2018, 11:46:58 PM
As Brunty supplied a superb cross from the right for the first goal tonight,i know he is a leftsided player,but surely he could do a better job on the right than mears can,and also this would free up a place for a proper central midfielder
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 04, 2018, 05:03:57 AM
As Brunty supplied a superb cross from the right for the first goal tonight,i know he is a leftsided player,but surely he could do a better job on the right than mears can,and also this would free up a place for a proper central midfielder
It would be another square peg in a round hole, Burke could do a better job than Mears
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on October 04, 2018, 08:27:36 AM
As Brunty supplied a superb cross from the right for the first goal tonight,i know he is a leftsided player,but surely he could do a better job on the right than mears can,and also this would free up a place for a proper central midfielder

Agree, it's a change I would have made last night. I though Mears was poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on October 04, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
Personally would prefer to see Brunt out at wing back over Mears. It is a square peg yeah, but Mears isn't up to this level any more.

Brunt is slow and not as mobile as he used to be but once again last night did what he has done for years here - put in the perfect pass and notched yet another assist (he must be close to being the clubs pffocial record assists maker, seeing as assists records have only really been recorded in the last 20 years or so).

If management insist on finding a place for him, i'd prefer that to be wing back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Floydy on October 04, 2018, 08:29:31 AM
I'd prefer to see Brunt out wide, but in our current system the wingbacks have to get up and down the pitch a lot and cover a lot of ground.  I'm not sure Brunt still still has the legs to do this for a prolonged period.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on October 04, 2018, 08:52:54 AM
If he's out wide he's on the left or not out wide for me. I'd like to see him next to Barry or Field.

Brunt's a tough one - CM doesn't suit him in my humble. Gibbs is doing fantastic and is perfect for LWB so he can't go there either. He provides so many assists and fantastic passes that he's a tough one to drop. Would be tempted to drop J-Rod away from home which could accommodate Brunt as we pack the CM area and have him on the bench at home but i also understand why Moore would always include him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 04, 2018, 04:43:05 PM
If he's out wide he's on the left or not out wide for me. I'd like to see him next to Barry or Field.

Brunt's a tough one - CM doesn't suit him in my humble. Gibbs is doing fantastic and is perfect for LWB so he can't go there either. He provides so many assists and fantastic passes that he's a tough one to drop. Would be tempted to drop J-Rod away from home which could accommodate Brunt as we pack the CM area and have him on the bench at home but i also understand why Moore would always include him.

Brunt is left side of a flat 4. He's not a cm in a month of Sunday's however as numerous people have stated he's a top pro and true club man he's played right side cm and left back without sulking he has took captaincy on (not because he's great captan material but we lack other candidates) had a penny threw at him and got on with it.
Also he's not a left wing back as he doesn't and never had the pace let alone now a season an older statesman doesn't have the engine to be going up and down all day.

Think we could play him lwb at home as we tend to control the games. And whilst Phillips is injured I don't see why away from home we haven't switched to a back 4 and then brunt could quiet easily play left wing in front of Gibbs.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on October 05, 2018, 10:41:09 PM
if we persist with a back three,Bartley is the massive weak link,and quite  a few posters in his defence point out that he is right footed so he is the fall guy as he plays on the left side of a back three,my suggestion is to play try Brunty in this position in the back three,he can control,pass and move out with the ball,he is not too bad in the air either,it will be a massive improvement on Bartley in this position
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on October 05, 2018, 10:55:23 PM
if we persist with a back three,Bartley is the massive weak link,and quite  a few posters in his defence point out that he is right footed so he is the fall guy as he plays on the left side of a back three,my suggestion is to play try Brunty in this position in the back three,he can control,pass and move out with the ball,he is not too bad in the air either,it will be a massive improvement on Bartley in this position
Worth a shot as even brunty couldn't be worse than our weakest link
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 05, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
if we persist with a back three,Bartley is the massive weak link,and quite  a few posters in his defence point out that he is right footed so he is the fall guy as he plays on the left side of a back three,my suggestion is to play try Brunty in this position in the back three,he can control,pass and move out with the ball,he is not too bad in the air either,it will be a massive improvement on Bartley in this position

If we're going down that route then Barry would be a more suitable candidate as he has played centre half before so wouldn't be as much of a square peg than Brunt, Brunt needs to be wide.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: stoxman on October 06, 2018, 08:14:53 AM
He should not be captain, hopefully hodgson has realised that, you're captain should inspire you, especially during your biggest derby

Im sure hodgson was linked with brunt whilst at fulham ?

I would like to see Brunt on the left side of midfield still . He's clearly not a centre midfielder

For some reason I decided to look at the very first Brunt post.  “Shouldn’t be captain, clearly not a centre midfielder.”    That post is 8 years old and we are back where we started...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 10:46:28 PM
Brunt played well in his cameo today.

Maybe the best tactic in the future to have him coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nocky on October 07, 2018, 12:43:05 AM
He looks good in CM when he has time and space to pick a pass. Coming on when we’re leading and they were fatigued suited him. Definitely an asset but I wouldn’t play him ahead of Barry atm, especially away from home.

Desperately in need of a quality box to box midfield. Would take this team up another gear.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on October 08, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
You can't easily play a box to box midfielder with this set up though.  With the wing backs pushing on and Barnes up there, if we added another midfielder regularly then we are left with 3 CH's and 1 holding midfielder.  Crucially, with none of them being particularly quick we'd be slaughtered on the counter.

We've essentially done away with needing a box to box MF by having Barnes play up there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on November 10, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
I think we saw v Leeds that this man’s Albion days must surely be behind him.  I’d seriously think about paying up the rest of his contract in January if I was Moore.

Jimmy Morrison when fit is a couple of years younger and has greater mobility in this position.  He must be the preferred option going forward.

There is something with Brunt in that if he is fit he expects to play the majority of games.

No one is being disrespectful or deriding what we has done for WBA over a long period of time.  I just think a parting of the ways is in everyone’s interests.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 10, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
I think we saw v Leeds that this man’s Albion days must surely be behind him.  I’d seriously think about paying up the rest of his contract in January if I was Moore.

Jimmy Morrison when fit is a couple of years younger and has greater mobility in this position.  He must be the preferred option going forward.

There is something with Brunt in that if he is fit he expects to play the majority of games.

No one is being disrespectful or deriding what we has done for WBA over a long period of time.  I just think a parting of the ways is in everyone’s interests.
I agree that we are better without him starting now and shouldn't be central under any circumstance...but
To pay his contract and let him leave is naive and would never get the boards backing
You may (and others will too) prefer Morrison, but he has not always been available ..
The comment (assumption) about him expecting to play is pure conjecture

I'll reiterate, brunt is past being a starter for us, but he has never shirked and been involved in some big moments for WBA
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on November 10, 2018, 07:59:38 PM
Not sure its the end for him, he's been played out of position. His experience and ability will become prominent towards the end of the season but only in his proper position
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on November 10, 2018, 08:06:16 PM
Not sure its the end for him, he's been played out of position. His experience and ability will become prominent towards the end of the season but only in his proper position

His proper position which is where?

Last year or season before he made a switch to left back which we all assumed was permanent.  Then a switch back to midfield has been enforced.

I think he has been such a prominent player (credit for this) then there is that assumption that he will get picked.

I don’t think he’s a 20 minute impact player, his fitness will suffer for one thing.

Darren Moore needs to be strong, tough and single minded on his best team and if there are casualties along the way then that is how it is.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 10, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
Not sure its the end for him, he's been played out of position. His experience and ability will become prominent towards the end of the season but only in his proper position

100% right.
Cm has never and will never be his position. Out wide be it full back or left wing he will
Still offer us something.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on November 10, 2018, 08:09:05 PM
He's better playing on the left as always. Not saying he will be a starter there but thats his best position.

I do believe its the beginning of the end for him though
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: barnestormer on November 10, 2018, 08:09:43 PM
Darren Moore made a rod for his own back making him capt and then feeling the need to shoe him in at all costs
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on November 10, 2018, 08:11:56 PM
While I thought we did brilliantly today, I think bringing on Brunt for Morrisson for the last 10-15 minutes would have been a good sub with Leeds pushing on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on November 10, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
He's better playing on the left as always. Not saying he will be a starter there but thats his best position.

I do believe its the beginning of the end for him though

It should have been the beginning of the end a long time ago. Great servant but should have been replaced a while back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
While I thought we did brilliantly today, I think bringing on Brunt for Morrisson for the last 10-15 minutes would have been a good sub with Leeds pushing on.

Rather have Barry for that every time, proper central midfielder not someone shoehorned in
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on November 11, 2018, 11:48:27 AM
Rather have Barry for that every time, proper central midfielder not someone shoehorned in
Normally I'd agree but we had the game won and Leeds were leaving all sorts of gaps at the back.  I'm being greedy and wanting more goals but if it was a narrow game then yeah, Barry.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on November 11, 2018, 12:04:18 PM
Fantastic servant for the club,lot of respect for him and what he's done for us but surely his last year here regardless of division. This is wba though so who knows.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on November 11, 2018, 12:19:41 PM
I'm wondering where Jacko has gone. Not been seen since the game yesterday. It must've really hurt him for us to perform like that without  Brunt in the team.  ;D :P

On a serious note, Brunt may well offer us something as the season goes on but there should be no place for him in the starting eleven unless we have an injury crisis. That said he may be better in midfield as part of a three.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on November 11, 2018, 12:23:46 PM
I'm wondering where Jacko has gone. Not been seen since the game yesterday. It must've really hurt him for us to perform like that without Brunt in the team.  ;D :P

On a serious note, Brunt may well offer us something as the season goes on but there should be no place for him in the starting eleven unless we have an injury crisis. That said he may be better in midfield as part of a three.

I got a feeling he may on an enforced holiday over a remark he made earlier in the week
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 11, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
I would stick him on the bench until January where our number 1 target needs to be the missing midfielder we are craving and have craved for a couple of years. If we are sticking with the 4 at the back which suited us better yesterday then at least he is cover for Gibbs.

Sentiment is fine but the time comes when players have to be moved on or put on the bench, so far this season he has offered very little in a role that he is simply not good enough to perform.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on November 11, 2018, 12:37:19 PM
just don t play him in the central midfield. 100% improvement yesterday so don't change it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on November 11, 2018, 12:41:54 PM
Shouldn't be anywhere near first team and would struggle to get on bench imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 11, 2018, 12:48:06 PM
Shouldn't be anywhere near first team and would struggle to get on bench imo.
I said that about Kanu.
He proved me wrong.
I agree though, Brunt has passed his "use by date".
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on November 11, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
Brunty off the bench for me. In this 433 he covers the wide players, left back and cm if absolute needs must.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on November 11, 2018, 01:15:06 PM
Brunty off the bench for me. In this 433 he covers the wide players, left back and cm if absolute needs must.

The trouble with him being on the bench is that the temptation is always there for Big Dave to bring him on when there's no need. He can't seem to resist.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 11, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
The trouble with him being on the bench is that the temptation is always there for Big Dave to bring him on when there's no need. He can't seem to resist.

Dave has tended to go with his three oldest substitutes this season (or two oldest and Robson-Kanu), so he'd probably get on.

That being said, Harper got a couple of minutes yesterday, so maybe he's coming to his senses all round.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
CB out of team - points tally = 9/9  discuss !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on November 29, 2018, 12:57:12 PM
I don't think the 2 points you make are as directly linked as that. Facts are facts however. CB should no longer be in our team; all good things come to an end and he no longer makes a positive difference when he plays.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 29, 2018, 01:00:38 PM
CB out of team - points tally = 9/9  discuss !

Correlation does not imply causation.

The fact is that we have changed system and tactics; if Brunt was playing instead of Morrison, we might well have achieved the same.

If literally the only difference was Brunt, I would say you have a point. But it's like the season he had a few injury problems in the Premier League. We had a better win percentage with him out the team, but the games he wasn't fit for were Sunderland, Fulham, etc, and the ones he was fit for were Chelsea, Liverpool, City, etc.

It's a stat bereft of context.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
Correlation does not imply causation.

The fact is that we have changed system and tactics; if Brunt was playing instead of Morrison, we might well have achieved the same.

If literally the only difference was Brunt, I would say you have a point. But it's like the season he had a few injury problems in the Premier League. We had a better win percentage with him out the team, but the games he wasn't fit for were Sunderland, Fulham, etc, and the ones he was fit for were Chelsea, Liverpool, City, etc.

It's a stat bereft of context.


For context then, CB out of team when we are playing with four at the back = 9 points from 9.
a) Would you bring CB back in with a back 4 ?
b) would you bring CB back in if we revert to 3 at the back ?

Personally I think we have given CB 1 season too long already, he has been a great servant, BUT, I would cut him loose in the new year, if he can get a gig at Rangers or somewhere else, let him go with our blessings
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on November 29, 2018, 05:09:45 PM
Unbelievable that there are so many people keen to knock Chris Brunt. He has been a tremendous player for our club for many years, loyalty sadly lacking in most players these days. He has been played out of position in a formation unsuited to the whole team. Play him wide if, say, Barnes is injured and he will deliver again. Super CB!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
Results is mainly due to the system change, the defence actually looks reasonable now. They were a disaster up to the change. All teams had to do was cut off the passing options and we'd create most of their attacks for them.

With that said, even when he was younger brunt was never much use in central midfield. It's not a good role for him and doesn't suit him. At his age expecting him to suddenly star there in a 2 man midfield was hopeful at best. Great servant to the club though and still has a role to play
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2018, 06:22:52 PM
Unbelievable that there are so many people keen to knock Chris Brunt. He has been a tremendous player for our club for many years, loyalty sadly lacking in most players these days. He has been played out of position in a formation unsuited to the whole team. Play him wide if, say, Barnes is injured and he will deliver again. Super CB!
You could play him wide but Barnes is one of our front 3 in this system, Brunt is more left sided midfielder these days. It probably wouldn't happen but we'd be better off giving one of the younger brigade with pace a chance as pace to threaten the opposition is important.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on November 29, 2018, 06:28:29 PM
Brunt is ideal to bring on if you need a goal with fifteen minutes to go, send him out wide, let him whip in crosses. Wide left or wide right.

It remains to be seen if he can play in a three man midfield I wouldn't rule out the possibility but equally I'd be in no hurry to see it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2018, 06:32:40 PM
Brunt is ideal to bring on if you need a goal with fifteen minutes to go, send him out wide, let him whip in crosses. Wide left or wide right.

It remains to be seen if he can play in a three man midfield I wouldn't rule out the possibility but equally I'd be in no hurry to see it.
Or he can whip crosses in from LB if we are chasing a goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on November 29, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
Brunts last season here for me whatever division. He's been a great signing for us and he's become a wealthy man from playing for us. Win-win alround.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 29, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
For brunt you could put
Barkley
Or Gayle
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on November 29, 2018, 09:25:03 PM
I believe we've won all but one game when Brunt hasn't started. No coincidence for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on November 29, 2018, 09:41:43 PM
Or he can whip crosses in from LB if we are chasing a goal.
reserve LB for me now
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 30, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
I don't think it is down to not having Chris Brunt in the team, per se, but I do feel it is strongly linked to not having Chris Brunt in the team as a central midfielder.

The injuries to him and Bartley before the Leeds game were a God send. Darren would have likely played both yet again, but with our winning run he cannot really change the team. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on December 14, 2018, 12:09:45 PM
Happy Birthday Chris!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 22, 2018, 06:01:51 PM
393rd appearance for the Albion today. Edging to the 400 club which he thoroughly deserves. Mozza up to 331. Hopefully he makes 350 before end of season.

Hope the joint testimonial plans are coming along
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 29, 2018, 04:33:49 PM
I can't see the purpose of retaining Brunt when he clearly can't hack it?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on December 29, 2018, 05:26:10 PM
Not good enough for the position Moore wants him to play how he gets into starting 11 in Central midfield is baffling. Has got no legs and in his prime we never used him in that part of field.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on December 29, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
Much better than Morrison today. And got the equaliser (although I hear it's gone down as an own goal).

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 05:36:23 PM
Apart from the goal it wasn’t a great game for Chris. Needs to be getting the ball into a better area from corners, although we probably missed having Hegazi’s presence in the box too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2018, 05:59:48 PM
Much better than Morrison today. And got the equaliser (although I hear it's gone down as an own goal).

To be fair nothing to shout about. Brunt was awful, too many overhit balls, not up to the game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 29, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
All of the midfield trio were awful in fairness. Brunt and Morrison are done as footballers, let’s be honest, legs have gone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 06:07:34 PM
All of the midfield trio were awful in fairness. Brunt and Morrison are done as footballers, let’s be honest, legs have gone.

Agreed, I’d also add that Barnes had another poor game and Sako didn’t show much either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 29, 2018, 06:09:52 PM
Not sure they are done as footballers. Chris brunt defiantly isn't a cm even if in a 3 man unit. Worth his weight in gold as a utility left back or somebody you can throw on and sling crosses in.

Morrison had done well since his comeback. Both need to be fringe players and have for a long time but the club never evolved. If we got promoted I think at best they are squad players we can't have them as mainstays.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on December 29, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
Sick of him wasting corners and free kicks by pumping the ball too deep over the back post. Picked today out of loyalty and status not because he has earned it. Moore can’t get over his soft spot for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 06:17:56 PM
Not sure they are done as footballers. Chris brunt defiantly isn't a cm even if in a 3 man unit. Worth his weight in gold as a utility left back or somebody you can throw on and sling crosses in.

Morrison had done well since his comeback. Both need to be fringe players and have for a long time but the club never evolved. If we got promoted I think at best they are squad players we can't have them as mainstays.

Be good if he could get some decent crosses in
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 29, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
somebody you can throw on and sling crosses in.
Do you mean like all the over hit free kicks and corners he delivered today?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on December 29, 2018, 06:51:55 PM
To be fair nothing to shout about. Brunt was awful, too many overhit balls, not up to the game.

Thought in the second half he was fine. My point was that people are going to have a go at Brunt for playing poorly but not Morrison despite the latter being totally anonymous. You'd rather have a player trying something and it not coming off than a player who isn't getting involved
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2018, 07:25:08 PM
Thought in the second half he was fine. My point was that people are going to have a go at Brunt for playing poorly but not Morrison despite the latter being totally anonymous. You'd rather have a player trying something and it not coming off than a player who isn't getting involved

Morrison was rightly taken off, Brunt was awful as well. I'd rather he get the basics of his set-pieces right to be honest as they are shocking and getting worse, his long balls are just that long hopeful balls.

I asked today when was the last time you walked out and said Brunt had a cracker today ? bloody years thats how long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on December 29, 2018, 07:58:19 PM
Brunt is past his best and shows how the club has stood still that he's still here. Corners always go sailing past the far post. Not a captain nor a midfielder. Same with Morrison both should be shown the door.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on December 29, 2018, 07:59:49 PM
Both very poor today, neither should be starting but, under no circumstances, against no opposition should they both start in the middle. Morrison lightweight and anonymous, Brunt just slows everything down and deprives us of impetuous and his wand of a left foot is a thing of the past unfortunately. Stick Bartley behind them and you have an unholy trinity!
Still scraped a point though and actually gained ground on the top 2 so onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on December 29, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
Thought in the second half he was fine. My point was that people are going to have a go at Brunt for playing poorly but not Morrison despite the latter being totally anonymous. You'd rather have a player trying something and it not coming off than a player who isn't getting involved

Brunt had his chance in the first dozen games and came up short including 1st day loss at home to Bolton and 3 losses within a 4 game spell.

By contrast Morrison came in after about 12 games which started with the 4-1 victory over Leeds and then beyond. 

Morrison missed Villa for injury then Barry took on the baton and was arguably even better in the role. 

There is clear evidence that Barry and Morrison are superior to Brunt in that position.

Moore has cost us 2pts with that set-up.  You never ever have Brunt, Morrison and Livermore in the same midfield, basics just basics.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 30, 2018, 08:47:44 AM
Brunt had his chance in the first dozen games and came up short including 1st day loss at home to Bolton and 3 losses within a 4 game spell.

By contrast Morrison came in after about 12 games which started with the 4-1 victory over Leeds and then beyond. 

Morrison missed Villa for injury then Barry took on the baton and was arguably even better in the role. 

There is clear evidence that Barry and Morrison are superior to Brunt in that position.

Moore has cost us 2pts with that set-up.  You never ever have Brunt, Morrison and Livermore in the same midfield, basics just basics.
Brunt was always going to play against Sheffield Wednesday, Darren's sentimental side showing. He even took the captaincy off Livermore for the occasion.
Cue Brunt taking every free kick including waving Barnes away twice.
Should disappear into the background gracefully.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on December 30, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
He even took the captaincy off Livermore for the occasion.
Cue Brunt taking every free kick including waving Barnes away twice.

Brunt is the club captain and will always wear the armband when he plays. In my view, he also has enough credit in the bank to be on set-pieces too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 30, 2018, 10:48:06 AM
I think it's quite telling that the corner Brunty scored from was one delivered into the heart of the six yard box and not blasted half way to the opposite side line and you can all feel free to make up your own minds as to why that was
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 11:27:05 AM
Brunt is the club captain and will always wear the armband when he plays. In my view, he also has enough credit in the bank to be on set-pieces too.

Not when we are getting nothing from them, since McAuley left the assists from set-pieces are going down and down. Time for others to be given a chance, he should no longer have the divine right to them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2018, 11:59:01 AM
Brunt is the club captain and will always wear the armband when he plays. In my view, he also has enough credit in the bank to be on set-pieces too.
And Bob Taylor scored a few goals should we get him back in based on credit in the bank?
Brunt is past it, most people can see it , crucially the man in charge seems not to, there are always Achilles that bring people down
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
I think his wand's been sent in for recalibration, you should avoid working with uncalibrated tools. Brunty's served us well but he needs to be boxed up and used only sparingly if/when recalibration standards are achieved.

Not saying he should be written off as scrap just yet and Foreman Moore knows he can still be of use. But ultimately he's the wrong tool for the central midfield job and his serviceable shelf life is almost at an end. Chris Brunt (club man 8) ) needs to be excluded from use in the main engine room if it is to run at its most efficient.

Time for the apprentices to step up and be given a greater role for the good of the company. That or the board of Jenkins and Lai need to invest in an overhaul of staff and materials before our competitors leave us lagging behind due to under investment and stagnant business process.

COYB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 12:54:46 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 12:56:41 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...

I would say that even you should be able to admit he hasn’t hit the heady heights you expected of him this season? Pre season you thought he would be the Pirlo of the championship in that quarter back role spraying passes and dictating games. What do you make of his season considering your expectations?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 12:57:56 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...


And let his man run off him at the far post for their goal ........................ just saying.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
Brunt is/ should be finished now simply not good enough anymore. Thanks for all you've done but time to say goodbye. Livermore best midfielder yesterday until Barry come on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
Brunt is/ should be finished now simply not good enough anymore. Thanks for all you've done but time to say goodbye. Livermore best midfielder yesterday until Barry come on.

Livermore had an utter stinker too in fairness, not sure who was the best of the three as they were all awful. Livermore is fine next to Barry as he can just break up the game and give the ball to Barry to find the pass but he is a very poor player in himself and we need to improve upon him in this window.

We are desperate for a central midfielder or two of real quality
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
I would say that even you should be able to admit he hasn’t hit the heady heights you expected of him this season? Pre season you thought he would be the Pirlo of the championship in that quarter back role spraying passes and dictating games. What do you make of his season considering your expectations?


Disappointed with the movement ahead of him in the early games. Didn't actually play in the qb role we expected. Despite a vocal minority has been no worse than any of our other midfielders in general until Morrison and then Barry put in stellar performances while he was injured.



And let his man run off him at the far post for their goal ........................ just saying.


Reaching here, Brunty is miles down the list tor fault for the Wednesday goal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2018, 01:04:31 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...

I hope you've checked your keep net for holes  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 01:18:45 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...

Pick of three poor performances is nothing to celebrate, he was poor, his set-pieces were poor, his over-hit hopeful hoofs forward were poor and as said losing his man for the goal was poor. All round poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
I hope you've checked your keep net for holes  ;D  ;) .

I'm sure he's not winding people up  ;)

Saying that the exit door may be approaching for some in the New Year  :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
I'm sure he's not winding people up  ;)

Saying that the exit door may be approaching for some in the New Year  :o


Definitely not on the wind up. I leave that to others. Brunt was easily a 6/10 yesterday and the negative response has been well over the top in context with the actual performance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 02:46:18 PM

Definitely not on the wind up. I leave that to others. Brunt was easily a 6/10 yesterday and the negative response has well over the top in context with the actual performance.


I actually agree with you. .......... No, really, no kidding.  :-*

That said he shouldn't be playing centre mid and the trio of Jake / Gaz Baz and Matty is easily our best three with Mozza next choice.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2018, 06:28:36 PM
I have been one of his biggest fans over the last few years, but he didn't cover himself in glory yesterday. The problem is we still have nobody who has his range of passing or ability to deliver dead balls. Yes he is getting worse at it, but he's still able to put a quality delivery in from time-to-time that causes problems.

The issue is that we haven't replaced that ability. Yes Phillips takes some good set pieces, but he hasn't got Brunt's range of passing. Nobody apart from those two seem comfortable taking corners or free-kicks. Barry makes the sensible passes, but Brunt can still deliver one ball to make something happen, nobody else can. He's 34, we should have replaced him by now, but we haven't - we need to look for the next Chris Brunt, or Tom Cairney, etc. Until then, he'll still periodically get in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 31, 2018, 01:04:59 PM
Wow this thread is waaaay OTT. Brunt did okay yesterday, was the pick of the 3 midfielders that started the game and was involved in the decisive moment of the game.


Ole, Ole; Ole, Ole...

"There is no one more obstinate than an old fool"  - This may be applicable when viewing your blatant support of Brunt in all circumstances. 

Face reality, he is past his best and based on all performances this season you should, in my opinion, let it go as your continued irrational support of Brunt detracts from some of the more sensible and constructive posts you make.

Happy New Year 8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
Officially a Brunty goal yet ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
Officially a Brunty goal yet ?

The Dubious Goals Committee (DGC) for the Championship last made a ruling in October.

https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-competitions/match-officials/dubious-goals-committee/

By that it must still be classed as an own goal thus far.

This may change when the DGC next sits, no idea when that will be though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2019, 06:58:57 PM
Hopefully the last we see him of him this season.

One embarrassing mistake and two hideous set pieces

Put him into retirement. Great servant but time to bring it to an end
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on February 02, 2019, 07:13:37 PM
Fully agree well past his sell by date..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on February 02, 2019, 07:14:45 PM
Hopefully the last we see him of him this season.

One embarrassing mistake and two hideous set pieces

Put him into retirement. Great servant but time to bring it to an end

Don’t entirely disagree, he’s been a great servant and player and has never caused the club any problems. He deserves all due respect as befits his dedication to our club and a player coming to the end of an illustrious career for club and Country
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2019, 07:18:52 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.

From the bench as a full back
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on February 02, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
From the bench as a full back

And in the dressing room, no doubt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2019, 07:21:20 PM
From the bench as a full back


Not for me, would be used in rotation with Gareth Barry. Should have started today.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2019, 07:22:49 PM
I've never been a Brunt fan just my opinion. He as been a good servant and I imagine he's a nice bloke but he as been finished for a long time now and it's time he was left out of the squad in the future nothing left to offer, thanks for your loyal service Chris but it's a no from me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 02, 2019, 07:25:48 PM

Not for me, would be used in rotation with Gareth Barry. Should have started today.

Not in the same class as Barry, a defensive midfielder should be able to tackle Brunt cannot
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba_1996 on February 02, 2019, 07:26:11 PM
Not got a problem with Brunt. Great servant who has never been any good playing centre mid and is worthwhile keeping in the squad for cup games and emergency left back.

I do have a problem with the guy who shoehorns him into central midfield at some point every single game, despite the fact that he has been useless every game he has played there this season. We have Barry, Livermore, Johansen, Harper, Field, Phillips, Hoolahan and Morrison who are better in that position. Even allowing for injuries and suspensions, the only reason he's getting on the pitch is because Moore is inept.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on February 02, 2019, 07:27:31 PM
A great servant, scored some great and important goals, but needs to finish in my opinion. I have backed him all along and do not wish to lay unfair blame on him, but today was very poor. His lack of concentration contributed to us losing today. He hasn't got the pace and his crossing has gone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.

Was a great player - he’s bang average

It’s painful watching him in midfield. Players dance round him. Poor positional sense, can’t shield the back four and can’t tackle either

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: adamw1109 on February 02, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
Took him about a minute to cost us a goal today.

He's slow, can't tackle, barely puts any decent corners/free kicks with his magic wand of a left foot... so what does he actually bring to the team now?

Like many have mentioned, he has been a great servant and no one can deny that but it's time we move on from him if we want to progress as a club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 03, 2019, 05:56:35 AM
Well done brunt on hitting 400

I feel bad for him he is getting pelters because he's been played out of position and because of his error today.

I love brunty too bits and still think he could offer us something this season but not as a cm. Now we have lost Barnes I think it would benefit us to play 442 and have brunt and Montero competing for left side. And Phillips and Murphy competing for right side. Getting Zhrk out team and not having Gayle out of position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on February 03, 2019, 08:57:04 AM
Should not be anywhere near first team enough midfielders a head of him in squad, don't understand Moore's thinking.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 03, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.

I'm as big a Brunt fan as you'll find, but even I can say we've kept him a season too long. His passing no longer justifies his inclusion for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on February 03, 2019, 06:30:08 PM
I'm as big a Brunt fan as you'll find, but even I can say we've kept him a season too long. His passing no longer justifies his inclusion for me.

His passing these days is woeful. He's been given 24 appearances this season out of loyalty and nostalgia from Moore not because he's earned it. Form and application should determine player selection not reputation within the dressing room.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on February 03, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
Has been a great servant to the club but enough is enough. Doesn't bring anything to the team anymore, lacks pace, can't tackle, corner kick delivery is poorer. His muffed kick that lead to a goal reminded me of the clearance he screwed up against Swansea last season that cost us points. Yesterday should be the last time he plays for the Albion. Sorry Brunty but you are past it and it shows.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 03, 2019, 07:49:31 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.
Great player, my backside
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on February 03, 2019, 09:53:26 PM
Great player who still has a role to play.

He’s never been great but has been a great servant who has played a key role for many years. As for now, he should not get into the team in any position.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
Was a great player - he’s bang average

It’s painful watching him in midfield. Players dance round him. Poor positional sense, can’t shield the back four and can’t tackle either

Agree. He's passed it and is played out of position...it's not his fault I suppose but his legacy fades with each week that passes.

It reminds me a little of Olsson who stayed too long, but at least with Olsson he wasn't used as much when he was passed it, whereas Brunt seems to feature more often.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2019, 09:00:14 AM
Very poor decision to bring him on, but nobody could envisage that error.
The resemblance to Ollsson is all to familiar, a great servant but now way out of his depth. I was hoping for a Neville-esque retirement statement yesterday, he must know that his status within the club is being tainted with these poor performances.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2019, 10:52:03 AM
A player who we has fans should show our respects to for his long loyal service to our club along with Morrison, but their carrier's are coming towards the end. Its the manager who fields the team & makes the substitutions. Everyone makes mistakes.
Respect guys.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2019, 11:10:44 AM
A player who we has fans should show our respects to for his long loyal service to our club along with Morrison, but their carrier's are coming towards the end. Its the manager who fields the team & makes the substitutions. Everyone makes mistakes.
Respect guys.
I think it's out of respect we want to see him out of the team, as I said, his status is waning with every poor performance.
Would be delighted for him to stay at the club in some capacity, provided he has the skill set, but it's time to call time on what has been a very commendable playing career.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
I think it's out of respect we want to see him out of the team, as I said, his status is waning with every poor performance.
Would be delighted for him to stay at the club in some capacity, provided he has the skill set, but it's time to call time on what has been a very commendable playing career.

My post wasn't directed at anyone individual poster it was just a reminder to what Chris & James have down for our club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 04, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
My post wasn't directed at anyone individual poster it was just a reminder to what Chris & James have down for our club
They have been very well paid for what they have done, and in Morrisons recent history for what he has not done.
Do not ever forget that these two players were senior players at the club, when the team stopped playing for Mel, Pulis, and Pardew.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2019, 12:20:32 PM
will never be held in the same bracket as Astle / Brown / Cyrille so not a great player.

A good loyal dependable player whose time has come, Chris do the sensible thing and tell DM that whist you're happy to be around the club and pitch in on cup matches or if our squad takes a massive hit of injuries, but otherwise you recognise that its all a bit beyond you now.

You will walk away (from 1st team) with pride and the respect of the fans, whereas .....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2019, 12:24:11 PM
Very poor decision to bring him on, but nobody could envisage that error.
The resemblance to Ollsson is all to familiar, a great servant but now way out of his depth. I was hoping for a Neville-esque retirement statement yesterday, he must know that his status within the club is being tainted with these poor performances.


Well over the top, he did an air kick? A mistake that happens to players up and down the leagues week in week out. Are you expecting Gareth Barry to retire too? The fact is Brunts performances this season are nowhere near as bad as portrayed. Never dipping below a solid 6 out of 10. Less than a month ago he ran the game against Wigan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2019, 12:55:08 PM

Well over the top, he did an air kick? A mistake that happens to players up and down the leagues week in week out. Are you expecting Gareth Barry to retire too? The fact is Brunts performances this season are nowhere near as bad as portrayed. Never dipping below a solid 6 out of 10. Less than a month ago he ran the game against Wigan.
Not about the air kick, more about self realisation. When Neville scythed down Dorrans, that too was something that happened week in week out but he knew that his legs had gone and he couldn't carry on to the high standard he had set himself.
As for Barry, yes, I would like to think that with Johannson joining and the emergence of Field and Harper would reduce our reliance on him also.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2019, 01:32:43 PM
Not about the air kick, more about self realisation. When Neville scythed down Dorrans, that too was something that happened week in week out but he knew that his legs had gone and he couldn't carry on to the high standard he had set himself.
As for Barry, yes, I would like to think that with Johannson joining and the emergence of Field and Harper would reduce our reliance on him also.


Neville's legs had gone after a long injury lay off. Brunt has been fine. Maybe not sparkling 8s and 9s out of 10s but doing a good job out of position. There are literally no parallels to be drawn between the two players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2019, 01:49:03 PM

Neville's legs had gone after a long injury lay off. Brunt has been fine. Maybe not sparkling 8s and 9s out of 10s but doing a good job out of position. There are literally no parallels to be drawn between the two players.
Neville couldn't compete at the level he was at, to the standard that he had previously set. I'd say that's a clear parallel to Brunt's current situation.
That's just my opinion though, but I know it's one which you will never agree with so not much more to be said.
Plenty of other things we can argue about  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2019, 01:55:16 PM
Neville couldn't compete at the level he was at, to the standard that he had previously set. I'd say that's a clear parallel to Brunt's current situation.
That's just my opinion though, but I know it's one which you will never agree with so not much more to be said.
Plenty of other things we can argue about  ;)


Brunt can clearly compete at this level and also in the PL last season and would get in most sides in this division. In midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
Neville couldn't compete at the level he was at, to the standard that he had previously set. I'd say that's a clear parallel to Brunt's current situation.
That's just my opinion though, but I know it's one which you will never agree with so not much more to be said.
Plenty of other things we can argue about  ;)

In Jacko's defence he isn't arguing with you, he's telling you that you're wrong  ;)  ;) .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 04, 2019, 04:37:02 PM
In all the back and forth I’m not sure it’s been mentioned, but Congrats to Chris for making 400 games for the Albion. He becomes only the 16th player to make break that milestone in 141 years.

Sorry it couldn’t have been in better circumstances but hey ho.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 04, 2019, 04:40:53 PM
Brunt can no longer compete at this level and as never been able to compete in the premier league.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on February 04, 2019, 04:55:40 PM
I think it's out of respect we want to see him out of the team, as I said, his status is waning with every poor performance.
Would be delighted for him to stay at the club in some capacity, provided he has the skill set, but it's time to call time on what has been a very commendable playing career.

Spot on. Guys been great for us but the last 2, years he's been poor. It's not his fault he gets put in a position he's clearly not suited too so I will never disrespect him but pretending everything is fine when it's not doesn't help anyone.

Last year playing for us please. Happy for him to remain at the club in another capacity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 04, 2019, 04:57:03 PM

The fact is Brunts performances this season are nowhere near as bad as portrayed. Never dipping below a solid 6 out of 10. Less than a month ago he ran the game against Wigan.

 :o

Come on old friend. I love to rib you as much as the next man, but now you're just making yourself look silly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on February 04, 2019, 05:15:11 PM
Some of the comments are a bit harsh and over the top. Wasn't Brunty's fault that he had less than 10 minutes left to erase his blunder that led to Boro's goal.  I also think that he cares for this club more than some other players wearing the shirt. He probably isn't automatic first choice any more, but we also need players who care and play for the team rather than themselves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2019, 05:20:24 PM

Well over the top, he did an air kick? A mistake that happens to players up and down the leagues week in week out. Are you expecting Gareth Barry to retire too? The fact is Brunts performances this season are nowhere near as bad as portrayed. Never dipping below a solid 6 out of 10. Less than a month ago he ran the game against Wigan.

6/10 is the highest he has managed this season and as for running the game i'm amazed at your one eyed bias towards him

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Brunt can no longer compete at this level and as never been able to compete in the premier league.

Nine seasons (I think) of playing in the Prem' would suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
In all the back and forth I’m not sure it’s been mentioned, but Congrats to Chris for making 400 games for the Albion. He becomes only the 16th player to make break that milestone in 141 years.

Sorry it couldn’t have been in better circumstances but hey ho.


A truism regarding a player I feel has made a more positive contribution to our cause over the years than a great many others.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 1954 on February 04, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
Not about the air kick, more about self realisation. When Neville scythed down Dorrans, that too was something that happened week in week out but he knew that his legs had gone and he couldn't carry on to the high standard he had set himself.
As for Barry, yes, I would like to think that with Johannson joining and the emergence of Field and Harper would reduce our reliance on him also.
That will be the Neville tackle which the ref adjudged fair and played on!! Most obvious penalty I've ever seen in my life. However to be fair to the ref Ferguson was United's manager at that time & you were not allowed to award a penalty against United when they weren't playing against a top 6 team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 04, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Nine seasons (I think) of playing in the Prem' would suggest otherwise.
more over he’s 30-something in all time Premier league assists and only behind Odemwingie and Mozza for total goals in the team (24, same as Rondon).

Maybe unrelated but according to the premier league site, he is also the player with the most wins, 76 from a total of 112. He played 276 (most of any player) which is a 28% win percentage overall.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 04, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
more over he’s 30-something in all time Premier league assists and only behind Odemwingie and Mozza for total goals in the team (24, same as Rondon).

Maybe unrelated but according to the premier league site, he is also the player with the most wins, 76 from a total of 112. He played 276 (most of any player) which is a 28% win percentage overall.

The assists thing is where given he takes the vast majority of set-pieces and I would say no other team has one single person that takes as many then he will feature higher which is not a criticism at all but for outfield assists alone he will not feature as high.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on February 04, 2019, 06:38:54 PM
'The abuse he receives can never be justified' This West Brom man deserves more respect

An article, some may want to reflect on

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-chris-brunt-championship-15777884
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on February 04, 2019, 07:19:06 PM
Nine seasons (I think) of playing in the Prem' would suggest otherwise.
He would not have got in any other premiership team IMHO of course like I said in a previous post got nothing against him he is just one of those players I have never taken to.it happens, Like our present  goalkeeper!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adamstv on February 04, 2019, 08:51:01 PM
I have enjoyed watching Chris Brunt over the years and he is very much a club man through and through. I feel very sad at the abuse he is receiving, yes he was to blame for their goal, however it is not his fault he is picked. I feel that his best days are gone however he has been a true servant of the club and to reach 400 games playing for 9different managers means he must have something about him. I now feel that with the squad we have he should play less but I’m not the manager. I respect him as a player and as a person who does so much good for West Brom
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 04, 2019, 09:30:08 PM
The assists thing is where given he takes the vast majority of set-pieces and I would say no other team has one single person that takes as many then he will feature higher which is not a criticism at all but for outfield assists alone he will not feature as high.
A very good point, it's evident this year that he takes every sodding one and with a very poor return
Another thing that is wrong with football the congratulations of playing 400 matches, its probably 25 too many
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 26, 2019, 07:11:06 AM
"NASA has revealed that an Antarctic ice shelf that has been observed for decades is about to have a large iceberg break free. This chunk of ice has about twice the area of New York City with a visible crack that scientists have monitored using aerial images. Human presence on the Brunt Ice Shelf, which is where the cracks are located, was first established back in 1955, according to NASA."

I'm sure there's a good joke here somewhere, but its too early for me to work it out...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 26, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
"NASA has revealed that an Antarctic ice shelf that has been observed for decades is about to have a large iceberg break free. This chunk of ice has about twice the area of New York City with a visible crack that scientists have monitored using aerial images. Human presence on the Brunt Ice Shelf, which is where the cracks are located, was first established back in 1955, according to NASA."

I'm sure there's a good joke here somewhere, but its too early for me to work it out...

That's about the time we signed him, coincidentally   :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on February 26, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
That's about the time we signed him, coincidentally   :D
That's the one  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 26, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
This thread on Chris Brunt was started by VANDERLEI back in 2011. Read through some of that and you will see that Brunt has always been a bit like the Marmite analogy to Albion supporters and he has certainly had many people who have not quite taken to him over the years. I have to say like all players who play for my club I will always support him on the pitch, but he has never really been a favourite of mine.
I think the time for us to move on without him is overdue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on February 26, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
It's some kind of ignorance to demand someone apologise for having an opinion that Brunt is past it. He clearly is but we have done well out him and vice versa, he's become a very wealthy man out of us in return.  It's simply time for a well overdue parting of the ways
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
Can't believe that post has been deleted. Was bang on the money.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on February 26, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
Can't believe that post has been deleted. Was bang on the money.

We're not in the business of letting members call others a "disgrace" for having a different opinion
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 26, 2019, 07:24:07 PM
We're not in the business of letting members call others a "disgrace" for having a different opinion


Yes could probably have been delivered with more tact, but difficult to argue with the content...  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Sted1990 on February 27, 2019, 07:44:02 AM
My post was meant 100% tongue in cheek, apologise if any offence caused.

Chris Brunt, that mans left foot is a wand.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on February 27, 2019, 08:43:30 AM
Well if his wand's that magical he should have no problems using it to fix that crack of his.

Lidocaine?............ pah, who needs that for fixing cracks when you've got a wand  ;) ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 13, 2019, 07:06:33 PM
He is playing tonight JOKE!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 13, 2019, 07:07:02 PM
He is playing tonight JOKE!!

Expected nothing less
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2019, 07:10:29 PM
HAha worked his way into Shans good books straight away. Looks like left wing so lets see what happens.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 13, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
Expected nothing less
I can see it turning nasty up here tonight if things go wrong. Brunt shouldn't be anywhere near the team IMO of course.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 13, 2019, 07:12:20 PM
HAha worked his way into Shans good books straight away. Looks like left wing so lets see what happens.
According to WM he is the holding player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2019, 07:19:51 PM
Expected nothing less

Same. Always happens
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2019, 07:21:26 PM
According to WM he is the holding player.

Holding us back.

I want to give up but we've been through worse. COYB. I really hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 13, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Holding us back.

I want to give up but we've been through worse. COYB. I really hope he proves me wrong.
I thought about giving it a miss tonight but I couldn't! And never will be able too it's in the blood!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 09:05:02 PM
Playing very well...  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on March 13, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
I agree with his comments myself

Also he’s had a stormer of a game tonight
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 13, 2019, 10:04:21 PM
People whinge about him then he puts a performance in like that.

What a way to shut them up Brunty. Masterclass.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 13, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Glad he proved me wrong!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on March 13, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
His best game of the season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 14, 2019, 12:08:43 AM
People whinge about him then he puts a performance in like that.

What a way to shut them up Brunty. Masterclass.
He ain't shut me up see Johnstone thread
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
He played really well on the ball and was at the heart of two of our goals. Off the ball he is poor though in CM. Midfield would look better with someone other than Livermore in it though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 14, 2019, 08:06:35 AM
People whinge about him then he puts a performance in like that.

What a way to shut them up Brunty. Masterclass.
I’m not so sure being very poor this season...followed by digs at the management (again) in the press,then having one good game ...constitutes a good way to shut people up
Plain and simple he isn’t capapable of the consistency required by us anymore,he appears to be a snake in the pit with his mate mozza and any talk of his “loyalty” is nicely balanced off with what he’s been picking up whilst sat on his (expanding) backside
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 14, 2019, 08:25:14 AM
I’m not so sure being very poor this season...followed by digs at the management (again) in the press,then having one good game ...constitutes a good way to shut people up
Plain and simple he isn’t capapable of the consistency required by us anymore,he appears to be a snake in the pit with his mate mozza and any talk of his “loyalty” is nicely balanced off with what he’s been picking up whilst sat on his (expanding) backside

would you feel like having a dig at the management possibly if you were hung out to dry being asked to play centre midfield in a 2 with livermore when it has never been your position for the first god knows how many games? He had a very good game last night and everything seem to just go for him but anyone that has watched albion/brunt for a few years knows he is not a CM. He couldnt play there 10 years ago when he joined.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2019, 09:41:36 AM
If I was Shan I'd be looking to Brunt for a lot of help on and off the pitch he's had a good spell on the sidelines and he might just get us going for the final run in, his last hurrah here maybe.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 14, 2019, 09:45:27 AM
He is playing tonight JOKE!!

This post is looking like a JOKE now. Head and shoulders our best outfield player and showed all of his doubters and detractors that he is still a very good player. Not only was he technically superb, he showed bags of heart and character in his performance. A proper club captain's performance when we needed it most.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: darbolina on March 14, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
He makes a difference. He has energy and leads on the pitch. We badly need that at the moment. I wouldn't play him every week though. I'd interchange him with Barry, Field and Livermore (horses for courses - Livermore better defensively. whereas the others can pass!). Brunt naturally looks forward more and can split a team with a pass. He's also be good on teh left of a narrow three in midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 14, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
This post is looking like a JOKE now. Head and shoulders our best outfield player and showed all of his doubters and detractors that he is still a very good player. Not only was he technically superb, he showed bags of heart and character in his performance. A proper club captain's performance when we needed it most.
No Mate still a Joke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 14, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
No Mate still a Joke.

With all due respect, Brunt was our best outfield player last night. Are you seriously disagreeing with that?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: 17GD on March 14, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
Possibly the best performance by Brunt in a long time. Absolutely magic. I've always admired his work rate even if he has had off games. Aside from the goal, lets not forget the superb corner he swung in as well for Holgate.

A magnificent player and servant for the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: phbaggies on March 14, 2019, 10:22:59 AM
With all due respect, Brunt was our best outfield player last night. Are you seriously disagreeing with that?
I'm guessing he is talking about Brunt starting was a strange decision as it came out of nowhere, and that bit I agree with..... pre-match nobody would have had Brunt in the starting 11, as it happens it was a good decision and it worked well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on March 14, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
I'm guessing he is talking about Brunt starting was a strange decision as it came out of nowhere, and that bit I agree with..... pre-match nobody would have had Brunt in the starting 11, as it happens it was a good decision and it worked well.

IMO the Brunt interview more or less said he was playing.

Brunt played just in front of the back 4, exactly the same position he played in last year's match against Swansea, which was also masterminded by Shan.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on March 14, 2019, 10:53:26 AM
Are we really saying that Brunt is the answer to our CM problem after 1 good game? Seriously?
Virtually everyone on the forum has slated previous managers that played him in CM and now he's going to save our season?
Yes he played well last night, although I think some are going over the top, but we have always known he has ability, what he doesn't have is pace, movement or positional sense to play there consistently. Nor does he have the defensive nous and at least one of their chances he was caught in no man's land.

If James thinks Brunt in CM will solve all our problems then I think this revival might be short-lived.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 14, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
Are we really saying that Brunt is the answer to our CM problem after 1 good game? Seriously?
Virtually everyone on the forum has slated previous managers that played him in CM and now he's going to save our season?
Yes he played well last night, although I think some are going over the top, but we have always known he has ability, what he doesn't have is pace, movement or positional sense to play there consistently. Nor does he have the defensive nous and at least one of their chances he was caught in no man's land.

If James thinks Brunt in CM will solve all our problems then I think this revival might be short-lived.

Last night was his best game in the middle but it was far from as perfect as being made out, firs half Nathan Dyer run rings round him and left him flat-footed on so many occasions. For some strange reason second half they moved Dyer out wide and in the end took him off, he was running the game first half.

Brunt is not a centre midfielder, never will be and one good game won't change that, its one of the things that ultimately cost Moore his job persisting with it for so long. He's in for set-pieces as thats his best asset.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 14, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
Are we really saying that Brunt is the answer to our CM problem after 1 good game? Seriously?
Virtually everyone on the forum has slated previous managers that played him in CM and now he's going to save our season?
Yes he played well last night, although I think some are going over the top, but we have always known he has ability, what he doesn't have is pace, movement or positional sense to play there consistently. Nor does he have the defensive nous and at least one of their chances he was caught in no man's land.

If James thinks Brunt in CM will solve all our problems then I think this revival might be short-lived.

i dont think he is the awnser to our CM problems nor is he going to save our season to be honest. i just think he deserved a lot of credit for his performance last night whilst playing out of position. i also thought it was good to give him a fair bit of credit as considering he has been a fantastic servant and player for us he gets absolutely slated majority of the time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: richjonawba on March 14, 2019, 12:04:13 PM
Played very well last night and he’s worth having in the side if even just for set pieces as embarrassingly none of our other players can put a decent ball over. I’d have him where Rodriguez was playing last night though, with JRod over the other side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 14, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
I have one of his detractors, but last night, I could see that he is still a good player.
Perhaps it was because he was being asked to do something alien to his natural style, in the past.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on March 14, 2019, 12:42:17 PM
He does this all the time. Plays well initially and then fades over the next couple of games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
Played very well last night and he’s worth having in the side if even just for set pieces as embarrassingly none of our other players can put a decent ball over. I’d have him where Rodriguez was playing last night though, with JRod over the other side.


Alternatively in a five man midfield you could have Brunt on the right. I actually thought Rodriguez had a decent game last night, did a good job for the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
One good game does not make a summer.

He still should not be used in that deep midfield role. Barry should be the first choice and Sam Field ideally should be the second choice.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 14, 2019, 12:55:18 PM
His free kick was a bit lucky, and I didn't think he was as good as some are saying, but last night showed up that even though he's coming towards the end of his career, we still haven't replaced what he gives us.

The set piece delivery, the range of passing, etc; we need Brunt 2.0
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
As I said in the after match thread, we need to get as many players in the team as we can who don't treat the football like a hot potato. That means Brunt plays, either in midfield or as one of the wide forwards. Was brilliant last night and has never dipped below a 6 all season despite the moans, in contrast his midfield partner last night has never peaked above a six but supposedly covers a lot of ground (he doesn't).


I know which type of player I like watching.


Hopefully Shan and the incumbent makes Brunt the permanent fixture in the team he should always be.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 14, 2019, 03:07:37 PM
So for some time Brunt has been the enigma he was last night.  At his best he is brilliant- and he changes games in our favour.  Then he can have whole portions of games when he is quite mediocre.  On balance though the good outweighs the bad, though the bad can be exasperating.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on March 14, 2019, 03:36:10 PM
On the pitch i think Brunt still has something to offer.

He played well last night and as Jacko says he is comfortable on the ball and a good footballer, personally i would have him in every squad and if Gibbs in injured find a way of playing Townsend and Brunt on the left, switching between them as a left back / left midfield, they should balance each other well.

If we play a 4-3-3 then again having Brunt as an option there is a good thing., What we shouldnt be doing is playing him centre midfield unless desperate or trying to build a team round him going forward.

I am not sure what to make of the off the pitch stuff, Brunt always seems to be the one saying stuff but as Jacko again said, as club captain he is the mouthpiece for that sort of thing. Only those in the dressing room know if he is one of those who seems to rule the roost around the club or not, and if so whether its done with best intentions or because he is comfortable.

I would like to think its only positive things because i dont think we will see a player staying at the Albion for over 10 years  like Brunty has for a long long time. (and Morrison to a certain extent though he has been injured a lot the last few years)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on March 14, 2019, 04:10:02 PM
As I said in the after match thread, we need to get as many players in the team as we can who don't treat the football like a hot potato. That means Brunt plays, either in midfield or as one of the wide forwards. Was brilliant last night and has never dipped below a 6 all season despite the moans, in contrast his midfield partner last night has never peaked above a six but supposedly covers a lot of ground (he doesn't).


I know which type of player I like watching.


Hopefully Shan and the incumbent makes Brunt the permanent fixture in the team he should always be.
I can't think of a match where he was ABOVE a 6 this season before last night. Yesterday he played well for an hour and then faded. Nevertheless it was his best game this season. Describing him as "brilliant" is just you wearing your usual rose tinted spectacles and massively over rating him as a player. Johnstone and Hegazi were the 2 contenders for man of the match.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 04:14:22 PM
I can't think of a match where he was ABOVE a 6 this season before last night. Yesterday he played well for an hour and then faded. Nevertheless it was his best game this season. Describing him as "brilliant" is just you wearing your usual rose tinted spectacles and massively over rating him as a player. Johnstone and Hegazi were the 2 contenders for man of the match.


Mate, you've not been able to judge a player since the Dorrans days... so pardon me if I take no notice...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 04:15:06 PM

Mate, you've not been able to judge a player since the Dorrans days... so pardon me if I take no notice...


Ouch!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 14, 2019, 04:26:28 PM

Mate, you've not been able to judge a player since the Dorrans days... so pardon me if I take no notice...

Bit rich to be fair from the man with as stated rose tinted specs when it comes to Brunt and a little hit list which these days contains Livermore, Johnstone and Field.

As for Super Graham Dorrans what a fantastic central midfielder, could run a game even according to you in the Championship only, haven't seen your mate do that on a consistent basis  :o

Last night Brunt had his best game in the middle but got the run around by Nathan Dyer first half, too many hit and hope balls. Needs to be out wide where his best asset can be used effectively. Doesn't have to be a cross in the air just a cross, after a while if done regularly Gayle and Rodriguez would anticipate it
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 14, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
It was a great performance by him but I'm still not convinced. I remember under Moore when we beat Stoke 2-1 this season he also played really well but it didn't translate long-term, so we will see.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on March 14, 2019, 04:44:33 PM
to say he was brilliant is a tad over praisal. he put in a long overdue good performance nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 04:49:06 PM
Bit rich to be fair from the man with as stated rose tinted specs when it comes to Brunt and a little hit list which these days contains Livermore, Johnstone and Field.

As for Super Graham Dorrans what a fantastic central midfielder, could run a game even according to you in the Championship only, haven't seen your mate do that on a consistent basis  :o

Last night Brunt had his best game in the middle but got the run around by Nathan Dyer first half, too many hit and hope balls. Needs to be out wide where his best asset can be used effectively. Doesn't have to be a cross in the air just a cross, after a while if done regularly Gayle and Rodriguez would anticipate it


Thing is you seem to have a hit list of 1. One of our best ever with over 400 apps and 10 years service. Played virtually his entire career in the top division. Sad really.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 14, 2019, 04:57:34 PM

Thing is you seem to have a hit list of 1. One of our best ever with over 400 apps and 10 years service. Played virtually his entire career in the top division. Sad really.

I think you need to go back and read my posts about Brunt, I have only ever criticised him in a central midfield role so not sad at all, realistic  but sadly not sad.

I don't do hit lists not even when it comes to banning on here as some think, I say it as I see it, praise when praise is due and criticise when criticism is deserved.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 05:02:05 PM
I think you need to go back and read my posts about Brunt, I have only ever criticised him in a central midfield role so not sad at all, realistic  but sadly not sad.

I don't do hit lists not even when it comes to banning on here as some think, I say it as I see it, praise when praise is due and criticise when criticism is deserved.


Don't buy it mate, you're the first on here virtually every time I post about him. Usually down playing any positive contribution.


We move on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2019, 05:07:35 PM

Thing is you seem to have a hit list of 1. One of our best ever with over 400 apps and 10 years service. Played virtually his entire career in the top division. Sad really.

Quick point.

He has spent the majority of his career in the top flight but not virtually all of it.

This is his sixth season outside of the top flight (three with Sheffield Wednesday and three with us).

He's made more than 220 appearances at this level or below (excluding cup games).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 14, 2019, 05:16:55 PM

Don't buy it mate, you're the first on here virtually every time I post about him. Usually down playing any positive contribution.


We move on.

I post when I see posts about a lot of things. Next few weeks I probably won't be around for a long spell possibly so you'll have free reign then. I don't play down anything positive I say it as I see it as I did last night when I said it was possibly his best game for us in the centre but despite your brilliance claims it wasn't, it was better than average and stood out due to the poor performances from some around him with the exception of Johnstone who kept us in it.

A flukey goal which we would have been screaming blue murder about if we had conceded and a corner which to be honest we again would not have been happy to concede, he put some decent balls through but was also given the runaround by Nathan Dyer first half sometimes leaving him in no mans land as Dyer ran past him.

And just to add I won't move on at all and wouldn't expect anyone to do so either on the forum, posts are made to be replied to when people see fit to or wish to do so.

We have never agreed over Brunt (or Super Graham) and doesn't look like we will over Field, means nothing as to me its a forum and thats it. I'd still let you buy me a drink  :P

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 05:46:33 PM
Cheers for the reply. Dyer didn't run rings around Brunt he rang rings around our entire midfield, who were clearly told to drop deep if Swansea beat the initial press and let them have the ball. The way you put it suggests Livermore and Harper were fine defensively and Brunt wasn't which patently isn't true.


Regards Dorrans history tells us who was right about him and in due time it will tell us who is right about Field.


You'll be missed mate, hurry back  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 14, 2019, 05:53:01 PM
Cheers for the reply. Dyer didn't run rings around Brunt he rang rings around our entire midfield, who were clearly told to drop deep if Swansea beat the initial press and let them have the ball. The way you put it suggests Livermore and Harper were fine defensively and Brunt wasn't which patently isn't true.


Regards Dorrans history tells us who was right about him and in due time it will tell us who is right about Field.


You'll be missed mate, hurry back  ;D

Brunt was the one in the centre the majority of the time whilst the others we doing the running he can't do hence why Dyer was running rings round him more so.

Wouldn't say you were right about Dorrans, we priced him out of a move when we should have accepted the bid from West Ham, poor move to Norwich followed when off field problems seemed to have forced a move and injuries seemed to have finished him off now. Not sure you'll be right about Field as we'll never find out, if we go up we need better all round in the middle, he is good enough as he proved last season in the top flight, can tackle and pass but again needs legs around him.

As Arnie says "i'll be back"  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on March 14, 2019, 06:06:09 PM

Mate, you've not been able to judge a player since the Dorrans days... so pardon me if I take no notice...
Haha, I couldn't judge a player IN the Dorrans days according to you. Prickly or what?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 14, 2019, 06:23:29 PM
Haha, I couldn't judge a player IN the Dorrans days according to you. Prickly or what?
You go Tim !
Go get him!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 14, 2019, 06:32:57 PM
I assume you require Fritzl to run the place in your absence, Oldbury? 

All is safe in my tender hands ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 07:01:21 PM
I'd love to know what Brunty said to Celina when he messed up that penalty.  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
I'd love to know what Brunty said to Celina when he messed up that penalty.  ;D
I can lip read, he said: "Oh I say, old chap, hard cheese, could have happened to anyone."
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 07:35:40 PM
Brunt and Morris on should have gone a long time and Dyer did ring around Brunt last night.

And Brunt should take the p iss less in relation to what he said to the Swansea player as he slipped whereas Brunt had no excuse for terrible pen at vile a few years ago.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 07:47:20 PM
Brunt and Morris on should have gone a long time and Dyer did ring around Brunt last night.

And Brunt should take the p iss less in relation to what he said to the Swansea player as he slipped whereas Brunt had no excuse for terrible pen at vile a few years ago.


That's because Brunt has no idea off the ball in that role. If we really, really must play him in a midfield three it has to be left hand side. Barry or Field need to be in that deep / central role. Either of them would've plugged those gaps  Dyer kept picking up the ball in last night.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 14, 2019, 08:31:03 PM

Thing is you seem to have a hit list of 1. One of our best ever with over 400 apps and 10 years service. Played virtually his entire career in the top division. Sad really.
Appearance numbers and length of services does not a good player make
I wasn't there last night, by all accounts he played well , but he has not been good this season at all
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
without anything to base this on, but anyway, it doesn't sit comfortably with me that CB turns in his best performance of the season immediately after Darren gets the push and CB has been telling the press that the team couldn't adopt Darrens preferred "style".
It all seems a little too familiar and distasteful, as I said purely my own view.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: walter baggie on March 15, 2019, 01:21:42 PM
CB is our only good dead ball specialist ,every time we had a corner we looked like scoring, who else is capable of corners like his, all the others end up hitting the first man, worth having on the pitch for free kicks and corners ,made all the difference against Swansea!

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on March 15, 2019, 02:42:08 PM
CB is our only good dead ball specialist ,every time we had a corner we looked like scoring, who else is capable of corners like his, all the others end up hitting the first man, worth having on the pitch for free kicks and corners ,made all the difference against Swansea!
On the pitch yes. CM no.
451 with him on the left or LB whilst Gibbs is out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on March 15, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
CB is our only good dead ball specialist ,every time we had a corner we looked like scoring, who else is capable of corners like his, all the others end up hitting the first man, worth having on the pitch for free kicks and corners ,made all the difference against Swansea!
Swansea are a small team and probably among the weakest at defending set pieces that we can come across. Brunt is a good corner taker and so is Phillips. No-one else is anywhere near them and their stats from recent prem years would show that.
Sam Field's corners have been pretty decent when he's taken them and hopefully he's putting in the practise to improve further. Brunt and Phillips are both likely to miss chunks of a season with injury.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 15, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
CB is our only good dead ball specialist ,every time we had a corner we looked like scoring, who else is capable of corners like his, all the others end up hitting the first man, worth having on the pitch for free kicks and corners ,made all the difference against Swansea!

Can't agree with that...Phillips is very good and Johansen also has ability from dead balls
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 15, 2019, 07:43:21 PM
Can't agree with that...Phillips is very good and Johansen also has ability from dead balls
Gayle is no slouch with bending it like Beckham too!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on March 16, 2019, 06:08:09 PM
without anything to base this on, but anyway, it doesn't sit comfortably with me that CB turns in his best performance of the season immediately after Darren gets the push and CB has been telling the press that the team couldn't adopt Darrens preferred "style".
It all seems a little too familiar and distasteful, as I said purely my own view.
my opionion is hes a snake in the grass...where was captain marvel under Darren Moore.. hiding! as soon as he has gone comes out chirping..get rid
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:10:12 PM
my opionion is hes a snake in the grass...where was captain marvel under Darren Moore.. hiding! as soon as he has gone comes out chirping..get rid


Hardly hiding, he can't do much from the stands or the bench. Low and behold back into the team, 1 goal, 1 assist, and 6 points...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on March 16, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
my opionion is hes a snake in the grass...where was captain marvel under Darren Moore.. hiding! as soon as he has gone comes out chirping..get rid

Opinion on absolutely nothing except for an agenda you must have
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:15:11 PM
without anything to base this on, but anyway, it doesn't sit comfortably with me that CB turns in his best performance of the season immediately after Darren gets the push and CB has been telling the press that the team couldn't adopt Darrens preferred "style".
It all seems a little too familiar and distasteful, as I said purely my own view.
it would have been tricky for him to put in any kind of performance when he wasn't being selected
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 16, 2019, 07:13:21 PM
Opinion on absolutely nothing except for an agenda you must have
I feel exactly the same, no agenda just my thoughts as I posted after the Swansea game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 07:15:36 PM
it would have been tricky for him to put in any kind of performance when he wasn't being selected

yes, but when he was selected ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: leeiswba on March 16, 2019, 09:14:42 PM
I feel exactly the same, no agenda just my thoughts as I posted after the Swansea game.

A ‘snake in the grass’. Really?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2019, 09:33:39 PM
There's no conspiracy here, its not for lack of effort, the team is just overall very limited in the style they can play competently. It doesn't matter if Moore, Bielsa, or even Guardiola is manager, someone like Dawson is never going to become a competent ball playing defender. Likewise in midfield they can't play high energy pressing football most exciting teams do, they just don't have the mobility for that whoever we pick. Brunt is just honest about their limitations.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on March 16, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
it would have been tricky for him to put in any kind of performance when he wasn't being selected

He was selected regularly at the start of the season and was rubbish. I like Brunt but his performances will tail off very quickly.

He’s been a great player and a classsy passer of the ball but he is not the answer to our midfield problems.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
He was selected regularly at the start of the season and was rubbish. I like Brunt but his performances will tail off very quickly.

He’s been a great player and a classsy passer of the ball but he is not the answer to our midfield problems.


Brunt is our most important central midfield player. Maybe not the best, but getting him into that team, covering his deficiencies and allowing him to play his own game makes us perform better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2019, 12:02:12 PM

Brunt is our most important central midfield player. Maybe not the best, but getting him into that team, covering his deficiencies and allowing him to play his own game makes us perform better.

He's not our most important central midfielder as apart from the fact5 its a square peg in a round hole he cannot tackle, he creates nothing  and doesn't have the legs.

He's our most important set piece taker as when he's on the pitch he takes 95% of them.

We cannot carry players especially when that player offers set-pieces only.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 29, 2019, 11:57:05 PM

⭐️ Man of the Match, @WBA’s Chris Brunt
74 touches
3 tackles, 10x possession gained
51 passes, including 11 crosses
5 chances created, assist for Gayle’s goal https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu (https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu)

Man of the match tonight lads.

Viva the Wand.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBrom on March 30, 2019, 12:00:29 AM
Ole ole ole ole... seriously though, some excellent passes and deliveries tonight again. Still not sure centre mid is the best position for him but he’s has an impact since returning for sure
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on March 30, 2019, 02:05:07 AM

⭐️ Man of the Match, @WBA’s Chris Brunt
74 touches
3 tackles, 10x possession gained
51 passes, including 11 crosses
5 chances created, assist for Gayle’s goal https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu (https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu)

Man of the match tonight lads.

Viva the Wand.


I thought you might spot this on sky's assessment of the match  ;D

To be honest I thought he started poorly and let his man go for their 1st goal, but then grew into it and played very well from about 35-40 mins onwards (though the team as a whole was rubbish before that point too).

I was initially surprised he'd been given MOTM by sky when I saw the report but then after thinking about it for a few mins I couldn't really think of any other "stand out" players during the game that deserved it more.

I certainly think some of the stick he was getting on various social media platforms this evening that i've been reading since coming back home from the game were unjustified.

I still do not believe he should be played in central midfield but he did put in a shift today and managed to draw out some of that (now beginning to fade) magic aether from his "left wand" on the set pieces, adding to that ever growing assist tally for us.

Certainly looked better than Mozza today who truly is a spent force.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 30, 2019, 07:05:05 AM
He's got his set piece deliveries right at the moment, when he was aiming for MacAuley the higher ball was right, now the low fizzers for Gayle are getting results.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on March 30, 2019, 07:15:44 AM

⭐️ Man of the Match, @WBA’s Chris Brunt
74 touches
3 tackles, 10x possession gained
51 passes, including 11 crosses
5 chances created, assist for Gayle’s goal https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu (https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu)

Man of the match tonight lads.

Viva the Wand.

He had a much better 2nd half as in the 1st the whole squad couldn't pass to another Albion player for toffee.
Our passing & tempo in the 2nd half is what won us the game fair play to the manager in bring on HRK for the start of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on March 30, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
Liability last night in first half and as a result at fault for first goal. Change at half time helped not only Chris but team overall and his game improved  but a central midfielder he is not. Thought Gayle was our best player to be honest.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 30, 2019, 01:26:21 PM
Man of the Match ?

Lost his man for their first goal, two stupid free kicks in dangerous places from our possibly most experienced player ???

His set-pieces last night were better than they have been for a while but man of the match ? having a laugh there
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: maximus on March 30, 2019, 01:38:45 PM
Belongs nowhere near a CM position, His a liabilty there as evident by most of his season, But we need him for his assists as proved by last few games with his set pieces. Different games without them since we struggle unless Brunt/Phillips take them.

Would much prefer him LB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on March 30, 2019, 01:50:30 PM
The Brunt issue is a difficult one. He is not a central midfielder and it shows throughout games but his delivery particularly from set pieces is a huge weapon for us. If he doesn't play CM where does he play these days?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on March 30, 2019, 02:12:09 PM
Superb delivery for the equaliser last night. Although his abysmal marking that led to us being one nil down in the first half. Seems to have found his range again with his set pieces, he’s stopped over hitting them. Still giving away too many stupid free kicks, partially as he’s legs move so slowly. Difficult to say where he fits in but he’s clearly more comfortable on the left than in the middle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 30, 2019, 02:14:42 PM
The Brunt issue is a difficult one. He is not a central midfielder and it shows throughout games but his delivery particularly from set pieces is a huge weapon for us. If he doesn't play CM where does he play these days?


I always thought he did quite well at left back when he played there before and with Gibbs out would be a better option than Townsend imo
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on March 30, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Man of the Match ?

Lost his man for their first goal, two stupid free kicks in dangerous places from our possibly most experienced player ???

His set-pieces last night were better than they have been for a while but man of the match ? having a laugh there

I think he meant moan of the match.

I wouldn't be surprised if he followed the ref home moaning in his ear all the way.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbako on March 30, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
Much improved set-pieces last night.

However, that should not paper over the cracks in his play during open play where he was woefully short of quality.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 31, 2019, 07:32:43 AM
Much improved set-pieces last night.

However, that should not paper over the cracks in his play during open play where he was woefully short of quality.

Needs to play left side or on the bench
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on March 31, 2019, 08:51:27 AM
Or on the side lines as the boss
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 31, 2019, 07:08:42 PM

⭐️ Man of the Match, @WBA’s Chris Brunt
74 touches
3 tackles, 10x possession gained
51 passes, including 11 crosses
5 chances created, assist for Gayle’s goal https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu (https://t.co/0zdkUHlWFu)

Man of the match tonight lads.

Viva the Wand.


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, I suppose on %ages you can be right occasionally
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 05:40:37 PM
David Silva made his premier league debut in August 2010. In a Most Premier League Assists table he is credited with 83 assists.

Chris Brunt is in 8th place with 47 assists.

Full Table

1. David Silva, 83
2. Christian Erickson, 60
3. Eden Hazard, 54
4. Wayne Rooney, 53
5. Mesut Ozil, 52
6. Cesc Fabregas
7. Juan Mata, 50
8. Chris Brunt
9. James Milner
10. Kevin De Bruyne, 46

Well done Chris, he is not out of place in some illustrious company and this highlights what an important player he has been for Albion

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 05:46:58 PM
David Silva made his premier league debut in August 2010. In a Most Premier League Assists table he is credited with 83 assists.

Chris Brunt is in 8th place with 47 assists.

Full Table

1. David Silva, 83
2. Christian Erickson, 60
3. Eden Hazard, 54
4. Wayne Rooney, 53
5. Mesut Ozil, 52
6. Cesc Fabregas
7. Juan Mata, 50
8. Chris Brunt
9. James Milner
10. Kevin De Bruyne, 46

Well done Chris, he is not out of place in some illustrious company and this highlights what an important player he has been for Albion


He's rubbish mate. Takes all the corners, what do you expect?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarenno on June 26, 2019, 05:49:08 PM

He's rubbish mate. Takes all the corners, what do you expect?

He is the only one that’s been able to take a good corner for 12 years
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
He is the only one that’s been able to take a good corner for 12 years


No mate any of our players would have that amount of assists if they took all the corners, stands to reason...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 26, 2019, 05:53:55 PM

No mate any of our players would have that amount of assists if they took all the corners, stands to reason...

Glad you finally accept it  ;)

There are others who can put decent corners over, Matt Phillips has put a few over.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 05:58:24 PM

He's rubbish mate. Takes all the corners, what do you expect?

You know, you’re right, I hadn’t thought about him in those terms.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Glad you finally accept it  ;)

There are others who can put decent corners over, Matt Phillips has put a few over.


As you are well aware it's utter nonsense. The statistics speak for themselves. Look at the company he's in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarenno on June 26, 2019, 06:33:13 PM

No mate any of our players would have that amount of assists if they took all the corners, stands to reason...

Point is mate the only time we’ve looked like scoring from corners and free kicks for that matter is when Chris brunt is behind it. The corner and free kick has to be a good one to score from it which is what brunt does. Are you saying a poor corner kick taker would be on that list
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 26, 2019, 06:49:59 PM

As you are well aware it's utter nonsense. The statistics speak for themselves. Look at the company he's in.

Yep, stats speak for themselves but as pointed out by yourself albeit to try and have a pop at others, someone taking that amount of set pieces will have that sort of record especially at a club like ours that has been heavily reliant on set pieces for the past god knows how many years now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 06:55:52 PM
Even a corner and free kick has to be delivered correctly, just as a pass from open play when a goal is scored.

And don’t all those guys in that list take corners and free kicks, so we are comparing like for like and he is up there with the best.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 07:02:02 PM
Point is mate the only time we’ve looked like scoring from corners and free kicks for that matter is when Chris brunt is behind it. The corner and free kick has to be a good one to score from it which is what brunt does. Are you saying a poor corner kick taker would be on that list


I'm pulling your leg mate. Other people on here have indeed suggested other Albion players would be on the list given the same opportunities. Mind boggling.


Yep, stats speak for themselves but as pointed out by yourself albeit to try and have a pop at others, someone taking that amount of set pieces will have that sort of record especially at a club like ours that has been heavily reliant on set pieces for the past god knows how many years now.


So where are the West Ham players? Where are the Everton players? Stoke?


As you say Phillips takes a decent corner in fact when both play he takes half the corners. Where's he on the list?


So no they won't have that sort of record, it is an incredible record. Hence why the list isn't littered with set piece takers of other clubs, but rather is filled with world class midfield and attacking players, and Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 26, 2019, 07:22:17 PM

I'm pulling your leg mate. Other people on here have indeed suggested other Albion players would be on the list given the same opportunities. Mind boggling.



So where are the West Ham players? Where are the Everton players? Stoke?


As you say Phillips takes a decent corner in fact when both play he takes half the corners. Where's he on the list?


So no they won't have that sort of record, it is an incredible record. Hence why the list isn't littered with set piece takers of other clubs, but rather is filled with world class midfield and attacking players, and Brunt.

I don't know who takes set pieces for those clubs, I have no idea if the same players take the majority as happens at this club and has done for the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 26, 2019, 08:07:28 PM

I'm pulling your leg mate. Other people on here have indeed suggested other Albion players would be on the list given the same opportunities. Mind boggling.



So where are the West Ham players? Where are the Everton players? Stoke?


As you say Phillips takes a decent corner in fact when both play he takes half the corners. Where's he on the list?


So no they won't have that sort of record, it is an incredible record. Hence why the list isn't littered with set piece takers of other clubs, but rather is filled with world class midfield and attacking players, and Brunt.
Where's Phillips on the list ? I'm sure you realise really that he's probably played almost half the number of premier league games that Brunt has.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 26, 2019, 08:49:40 PM
David Silva made his premier league debut in August 2010. In a Most Premier League Assists table he is credited with 83 assists.

Chris Brunt is in 8th place with 47 assists.

Full Table

1. David Silva, 83
2. Christian Erickson, 60
3. Eden Hazard, 54
4. Wayne Rooney, 53
5. Mesut Ozil, 52
6. Cesc Fabregas
7. Juan Mata, 50
8. Chris Brunt
9. James Milner
10. Kevin De Bruyne, 46

Well done Chris, he is not out of place in some illustrious company and this highlights what an important player he has been for Albion

Brunt is actually 40th in the Premier League assist records.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 09:01:31 PM
Brunt is actually 40th in the Premier League assist records.


The stat provided is since 2010 when David Silva made his debut. As clearly stated.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 26, 2019, 09:10:51 PM

I'm pulling your leg mate. Other people on here have indeed suggested other Albion players would be on the list given the same opportunities. Mind boggling.



So where are the West Ham players? Where are the Everton players? Stoke?


As you say Phillips takes a decent corner in fact when both play he takes half the corners. Where's he on the list?


So no they won't have that sort of record, it is an incredible record. Hence why the list isn't littered with set piece takers of other clubs, but rather is filled with world class midfield and attacking players, and Brunt.

The Premier League site has all the stats:

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/corner_taken

Brunt is 8th in the 'corners taken' table since the 2006/7 season (records only go back that far), with 748 in total.

Christian Eriksen has taken 750, James Milner has taken 778. Ashley Young is in first place with a whopping 922 corners taken.

It's also worth considering that many of these players have played in teams that have better strikers then we've had and therefore a higher conversion rate per chance created than Brunt has. It has been a lot easier for Silva to rack up assists playing for Man City when he has had Aguero, Tevez, Sterling etc to aim for during his time there.

It's difficult to deny that Brunt's record is very decent indeed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 26, 2019, 09:12:07 PM

The stat provided is since 2010 when David Silva made his debut. As clearly stated.

No, it wasn't.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 09:23:05 PM

No, it wasn't.



Apologies. It's based on this which I saw on Twitter (where it is clearly stated). Assumed AlbionFan had specified.


https://twitter.com/KitmanPat/status/1143951000669233155?s=09 (https://twitter.com/KitmanPat/status/1143951000669233155?s=09)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 26, 2019, 09:36:58 PM
I wonder where he would be in 'Open Play' assists?

I do not for one minute doubt his ability to deliver a great set-piece, which is what definitely would add weight to his statistics.

It's also worth noting that he lies 51st in Minutes Played in the Premier League.

One of the players who stuck out for me was Kevin Davies with 55 assists. That to me stood out, Chris Brunts statistic didn't in fairness. Do think he has been taken for granted, but can you justify keeping a player in the side purely for his set-piece delivery?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 26, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
He has had his time - end of
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on June 26, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
I wonder where he would be in 'Open Play' assists?

I do not for one minute doubt his ability to deliver a great set-piece, which is what definitely would add weight to his statistics.

It's also worth noting that he lies 51st in Minutes Played in the Premier League.

One of the players who stuck out for me was Kevin Davies with 55 assists. That to me stood out, Chris Brunts statistic didn't in fairness. Do think he has been taken for granted, but can you justify keeping a player in the side purely for his set-piece delivery?

Often in life the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think at his peak he was a really useful player who also had just enough pace to be able to do other stuff as well as just set-pieces. I'll always remember his Odemwingie assist away at Newcastle from open play which was a beautiful ball - not only this but remember he's always consistently been a goal scorer down the years too.

But on the other hand, you're right. Sometimes you need a bit more from his open play, especially in the later years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on June 26, 2019, 11:20:40 PM
He can still deliver some precise and even devestating through passes, as well as his better known left foot outswinging crosses. Chris' biggest problem is his lack of pace, which has led to lots of yellow cards when he pulls back someone who has skipped away from him. On balance, I'm pleased we are holding onto him, partly because of his special loyalty and passion for the club, but that doesn't mean he will automatically be good enough for a place in the starting eleven. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tylerm on June 27, 2019, 09:52:43 AM
IMHO Brunt’s problems with us started when he started to play in central midfield.He never was/is/will be able to play there. His ability is set pieces and crosses into the box. He is still a decent squad player but in a left wing position, probably as cover for Gibbs. This central midfield obsession is not good for him or us and should be ended ASAP.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 27, 2019, 10:10:08 AM
Joint 29th in the Championship for assists last season. Which I feel is the more important stat since that's the level we are at.

https://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-championship-2018-2019/

Appreciate what he has brought to the team but his time should be over as a starter.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on June 27, 2019, 10:11:27 AM
Time to good bye imho he is not a winger and he can't tackle. So where does he fit if he was not such a loyal player over the years this would not be up for debate His time has gone but thank you Chris
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 27, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
The Villa 2nd leg should be enough evidence for removing him from central midfield. When he tried to be a combative midfield player he was a liability. He shouldn't now be picked ahead of Sam Field who can tackle, has younger legs and can grow into the role further.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on June 27, 2019, 10:22:38 AM
I have said many times that he and Mozza have been my favourite modern day Albion players, what they have contributed to the club down the years cannot be over estimated.
But this is a new era and we need to rebuild, i am hoping to see a sleek fast West Bromwich Albion rising from the boring defensive one.

But lets not for get Chris's contributions, the match and season defining goals and assists, the dignified way he has performed despite the booing of our knuckledraggers.
Here is a player who has always given his best, who has been played out of positions most weeks but never complained, and never spat at the fans or stuck his fingers up to them like Olsson did. and who fans think a much better person.

I hope the club and the fans thank him in the proper way when the time comes for him to leave.

As clubmen, he and Mozza are second only to Bomber imo.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: robbo_wba on June 27, 2019, 11:05:42 AM
He can still deliver some precise and even devestating through passes, as well as his better known left foot outswinging crosses. Chris' biggest problem is his lack of pace, which has led to lots of yellow cards when he pulls back someone who has skipped away from him. On balance, I'm pleased we are holding onto him, partly because of his special loyalty and passion for the club, but that doesn't mean he will automatically be good enough for a place in the starting eleven.

Agree with this, his pass for Gayle’s volley against Preston at home was the ball of the year. A thing of beauty. Shouldn’t be starting every game, but still has the best passing and set piece delivery in the squad. If we are in need of a goal and have a corner I know I’d rather Brunt be standing over it than anyone else (at the moment).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on June 27, 2019, 11:38:20 AM
The pass to Long against the Vile a few seasons ago takes some beating.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: JMullen95 on August 03, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
Amazing how much better we look without him in the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 03, 2019, 09:52:37 PM
Amazing how much better we look without him in the team.
100%
He's slowed us down for far too long
Sawyers
Harper
Edwards
Phillips
Krovonovic
Field
Livermore

Kieron oreagan
All ahead of brunt, time to say bye
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 03, 2019, 09:54:34 PM
Suspect you're both wrong but time will tell, I'd back him to start most home games.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on August 03, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
It is fair to say that Brunt's best days might be behind him, but he has been a marvellous servant to this club, and even now, he is one of the best crossers of football in the game, so I think he still deserves a squad place.  When he goes though, it will be as one of our best players in modern times in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on August 03, 2019, 10:09:12 PM
Suspect you're both wrong but time will tell, I'd back him to start most home games.
Not knocking you but after watching that tonight. I ask you a genuine question who would you back him to start in place of?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on August 03, 2019, 10:10:38 PM
He still has a role to play, mainly off the bench helping see out games or if we need a goal his set pieces are always very handy. He's not and never was a central midfielder though, even in his younger days he was never good when moved there, and now he's 34 turning 35 this season he doesn't have the legs either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 03, 2019, 10:11:00 PM
Not knocking you but after watching that tonight. I ask you a genuine question who would you back him to start in place of?


Livermore, no doubt. Doesn't tackle, or misses key tackles (much like Brunt) but is light-years behind him ball at feet and in his head.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on August 03, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
Obviously Livermore wants replacing but not with Brunt if  Brunt plays he as to be out wide and sadly i don't think he will get in the team out wide. The only way i think he could get in the team now is if Gibbs wad out for any length of time and he played left back. Just my humble though ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 03, 2019, 11:45:12 PM
Amazing how much better we look without him in the team.
I just don't get some fans on Brunty. FFS.
Can't we just accept him for what he is now? A great servant whose game time will inevitably drop but someone who can still have an influence at times.
We have a good game, and immediately people come on and have little dig at the guy.
Why not just focus on the positives of who played tonight?
There have been plenty of times when Brunt has not played where we have been dog S***e.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 05, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
I don't remember too many set pieces on Saturday?  Phillips took a few corners, but thats all I can remember.  I'm interested to see who will take the set pieces, and the quality that they provide.  Maybe Brunt's role this season is to come on from the bench and provide set piece ammunition when needed.? He certainly doesn't have the legs to play the whole game in centre midfield.  Too many late tackles and gets caught on the ball too often.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on August 05, 2019, 12:38:59 PM
It is fair to say that Brunt's best days might be behind him, but he has been a marvellous servant to this club, and even now, he is one of the best crossers of football in the game, so I think he still deserves a squad place.  When he goes though, it will be as one of our best players in modern times in my humble opinion.

Yes, he has been my favourite player since he came here 12 years ago. Plays any position without complaint, has scored not just match defining goals but season defining ones.
The way he has been talked about and abused by so called fans is nothing short of scandalous.
Albion fans  never used to be like that, now it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.
Who is it this season? Livermore or Johnstone?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on August 05, 2019, 12:43:46 PM
Yes, he has been my favourite player since he came here 12 years ago. Plays any position without complaint, has scored not just match defining goals but season defining ones.
The way he has been talked about and abused by so called fans is nothing short of scandalous.
Albion fans  never used to be like that, now it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.
Who is it this season? Livermore or Johnstone?

Both of the above. Its already started and we are only one game in!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 05, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
Yes, he has been my favourite player since he came here 12 years ago. Plays any position without complaint, has scored not just match defining goals but season defining ones.
The way he has been talked about and abused by so called fans is nothing short of scandalous.
Albion fans  never used to be like that, now it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.
Who is it this season? Livermore or Johnstone?

Imagine if he becomes Albion manager one day and posters describe him as a nice enough chap but stupid and thick because he doesn't talk well during interviews eh  ;) ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 05, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
Yes, he has been my favourite player since he came here 12 years ago. Plays any position without complaint, has scored not just match defining goals but season defining ones.
The way he has been talked about and abused by so called fans is nothing short of scandalous.
Albion fans  never used to be like that, now it seems we always have to have a scapegoat.
Who is it this season? Livermore or Johnstone?

They aren't scapegoats, they are genuinely not that good. I don't think many people scapegoat them, but some people (not neccessarily you, I don't know) are so thin skinned about criticism that when people point out they aren't that good, they get accused of scapegoating them.

For what it's worth, I think Johnstone is another Scott Carson, and Livermore another Karl Henry, and the sooner we dump both the better.

But the assessment of Brunt as a good club man with a decreasing role is probably spot on. He should be lauded for all he's done here, but we should have set about replacing him long before now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 05, 2019, 02:23:00 PM
I appreciate what Brunt has done for the club but he should only be on the bench. He is not a central midfielder and doesn't have the pace to play out wide

For all this talk of his dead ball / passing prowess he only managed 6 assists last season in 34 games. Which I'd say isn't that good for someone who takes the majority of dead balls.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
I appreciate what Brunt has done for the club but he should only be on the bench. He is not a central midfielder and doesn't have the pace to play out wide

For all this talk of his dead ball / passing prowess he only managed 6 assists last season in 34 games. Which I'd say isn't that good for someone who takes the majority of dead balls.


Same number of assists as Sawyers...


Oops.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2019, 02:33:00 PM
There are assists and there are assists. Ferguson gets an assist for Phillips goal on Saturday. All he did was pass the ball backwards in an innocuous area.

Stats can be manipulated quite easily. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on August 05, 2019, 02:34:09 PM
I think Brunt will be our alternative to Sawyers when he is injured and or needs resting. He has the ability to dictate the tempo, creativity, bravery on the ball and a good range of passing. Obviously there is much that he lacks physically and is not particularly disciplined when in the centre of midfield and is also a poor tackler but has something to give a play maker from deep.

Certainly with us looking like we are going to press more aggressively, he can't play full back like he did under Pulis and the way our wide players set up on Saturday - he wouldn't be suited out there either.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2019, 02:37:17 PM

Same number of assists as Sawyers...


Oops.

Now you like stats...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 05, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
I think Brunt will be our alternative to Sawyers when he is injured and or needs resting. He has the ability to dictate the tempo, creativity, bravery on the ball and a good range of passing. Obviously there is much that he lacks physically and is not particularly disciplined when in the centre of midfield and is also a poor tackler but has something to give a play maker from deep.

Certainly with us looking like we are going to press more aggressively, he can't play full back like he did under Pulis and the way our wide players set up on Saturday - he wouldn't be suited out there either.

So in summary he can drill a wonderful ball when the opposition afford him the time and space to do so, but he lacks physicality, can't tackle, has poor discipline and is largely unsuited to how we play? Now you put it like that what's not to like  ;D ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 05, 2019, 02:52:16 PM

Same number of assists as Sawyers...


Oops.

Playing for a different team. I don't know if Sawyers took the majority of Brentfords dead balls either.
A better comparison would be with Matt Phillips who got 7 assists in 32 games and some of those assists were in games when Brunt was taking the dead balls.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on August 05, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
Imagine if he becomes Albion manager one day and posters describe him as a nice enough chap but stupid and thick because he doesn't talk well during interviews eh  ;) ?

You are just being daft now Dan, that would never happen here....... ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 03:10:35 PM
Playing for a different team. I don't know if Sawyers took the majority of Brentfords dead balls either.
A better comparison would be with Matt Phillips who got 7 assists in 32 games and some of those assists were in games when Brunt was taking the dead balls.


As you well know when Phillips and Brunt both play Phillips takes all the left wing corners.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 05, 2019, 04:17:54 PM

As you well know when Phillips and Brunt both play Phillips takes all the left wing corners.
Maybe but doesn't alter the fact that he got more assists and more than twice the goals as Brunt did in less games.





Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
Last season our top three players for assists were:

Harvey Barnes
Matt Phillips
Chris Brunt

All three were credited with 6 assists each, as was Romaine Sawyers for Brentford
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on August 05, 2019, 05:03:50 PM
Last season our top three players for assists were:

Harvey Barnes
Matt Phillips
Chris Brunt

All three were credited with 6 assists each, as was Romaine Sawyers for Brentford

bet Jacko dosen't forget that stat, one for your Brunty book Jacko
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: divinewind on August 05, 2019, 05:10:32 PM
Imagine if he becomes Albion manager one day and posters describe him as a nice enough chap but stupid and thick because he doesn't talk well during interviews eh  ;) ?

Touche, but Moore was a liability and cost us promotion in all probability, Brunt's goals and assists won us promotion and the championship title.
Maybe what  i said about Moore was harsh to some, but you can't say it wasn't accurate. Decent player, rubbish manager.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on August 05, 2019, 05:13:58 PM
Moore coming across thick wasn't highlighted as why he failed by people. It was because he was a poor manager, the interviews just didn't help.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
I just don't get some fans on Brunty. FFS.
Can't we just accept him for what he is now? A great servant whose game time will inevitably drop but someone who can still have an influence at times.
We have a good game, and immediately people come on and have little dig at the guy.
Why not just focus on the positives of who played tonight?
There have been plenty of times when Brunt has not played where we have been dog S***e.
I don’t get fans that can’t understand someone having an opinion .
It wasn’t a dig,it was an observation on what I saw,he may well have been a good servant (although handsomely paid) but the facts are he can’t tackle ,has no pace and his once pretty deadly dead ball delivery is now also slipping
The midfield looked good on Saturday and should only get better...bringing Brunt back in for ANY of them would be a mistake IMO 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 05, 2019, 08:48:36 PM
We all have our opinions on Brunt, there is no doubt he has been a great clubman and has a great left peg, but never been a central midfielder for me, an area where we were sadly lacking last season.
Good squad player this year, the age of the team is a lot lower and interestingly Morrison and Barry no were to be seen.
In my opinion, for what its worth , is that Semi will replace Livermore When Hegazi is fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on August 05, 2019, 09:00:45 PM
Great club servant and technical footballer too,maybe back up left back position,Gibbs seems injury prone,Brunty may not have the pace but great experience on the leftside,and could still deliver the killer ball downfield,too old for centre midfield and Big Daves persistence with this,one of the reasons why he lost his job,but you cant blame Brunty if Dave kept on picking him there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 05, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
Yes, I agree , some of his best performances in recent years have been at LB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
Great club servant and technical footballer too,maybe back up left back position,Gibbs seems injury prone,Brunty may not have the pace but great experience on the leftside,and could still deliver the killer ball downfield,too old for centre midfield and Big Daves persistence with this,one of the reasons why he lost his job,but you cant blame Brunty if Dave kept on picking him there.


From memory Brunt was out of the side when Moore got the boot. Jimmy Shan brought him back into the side and he was excellent.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on August 05, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
I’ve a lot of time and respect for Brunt but I don’t think he would get ahead of a single midfielder from Saturdays squad for me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on August 05, 2019, 09:51:19 PM

From memory Brunt was out of the side when Moore got the boot. Jimmy Shan brought him back into the side and he was excellent.
Sorry I genuinely can't think of one game where he was close to excellent, and certainly not against Villa. He played the ball of the season for Gayle's goal against Preston but he didn't boss anything or run our midfield. I think he can make important contributions for the last 20 - 25 minutes in certain games from the bench this year.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 05, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
Sorry I genuinely can't think of one game where he was close to excellent, and certainly not against Villa. He played the ball of the season for Gayle's goal against Preston but he didn't boss anything or run our midfield. I think he can make important contributions for the last 20 - 25 minutes in certain games from the bench this year.
A lot of players can do that once season.
It is when they can do it every game or every few minutes which show a fully aware player.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on August 05, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
I remember Brunt coming back into the side. Had 2 good games then faded fast. The guys been great but he's past it. Not value for money at 25-30k a week or whatever he's on.

Having him back in CM starting would be a big mistake.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
A lot of players can do that once season.
It is when they can do it every game or every few minutes which show a fully aware player.
And Tosin did it too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 05, 2019, 10:16:23 PM

From memory Brunt was out of the side when Moore got the boot. Jimmy Shan brought him back into the side and he was excellent.
Excellent!! He hasnt even been good for 3 seasons, waste of good wages and with all his mates now gone he will be watching from the stands and rightly so
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2019, 09:13:32 AM
Touche, but Moore was a liability and cost us promotion in all probability, Brunt's goals and assists won us promotion and the championship title.
Maybe what  i said about Moore was harsh to some, but you can't say it wasn't accurate. Decent player, rubbish manager.

I have the utmost respect for Chris Brunt and what he's helped Albion to achieve during turbulent times. He has superb vision and is still capable of playing defence splitting through balls. However, he is at a stage where he should not be a regular starter and most certainly not at the cost of an actual central midfielder.

As for Darren Moore he was influential in different ways when also assisting us to a couple of promotions. He may not always have come across as the shiniest spanner in the box to some. But I don't remember him being stupid enough to get himself sent off in a play off semi final against hated local rivals.

Brunty is a committed and honourable club man with a quick brain and a cracking left foot who will play where asked without complaint. But he lacks the natural instinct of an actual starting central midfielder. Quick brain or not this slows his reaction times meaning he gets caught out and makes rash, brain fart decisions. May make it as a manager as he clearly understands the game and has that vision of his.

God help him if people can't understand that accent of his when spoken at speed during interviews though eh  ;) ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2019, 09:18:04 AM
Last season our top three players for assists were:

Harvey Barnes
Matt Phillips
Chris Brunt

All three were credited with 6 assists each, as was Romaine Sawyers for Brentford

according to who scored Phillips got 7 assists
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/40036/History/Matt-Phillips

and on Transfer Markt Barnes is also credited with 7 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harvey-barnes/profil/spieler/398065
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2019, 09:20:43 AM
great servant and legend but his time is up at this level,not forgetting he probably contributed in a big way towards us not going up last season
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on August 06, 2019, 09:41:21 AM
I agree completely with SmethDan!

I think Brunty still has a part to play and i would have him in the squad every game as backup for left back or left wing, barring injuries i would imagine that would be as a sub mainly but he offers something different and can still change a game even in short spells and we shouldnt be quick to dismiss that.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2019, 11:29:14 AM
according to who scored Phillips got 7 assists
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/40036/History/Matt-Phillips

and on Transfer Markt Barnes is also credited with 7 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harvey-barnes/profil/spieler/398065

My quote was taken from Worldfootball Net, who recorded assist for Phillips, Barnes, Brunt and Sawyers as 6 each
https://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-championship-2018-2019/

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2019, 12:00:21 PM
My quote was taken from Worldfootball Net, who recorded assist for Phillips, Barnes, Brunt and Sawyers as 6 each
https://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-championship-2018-2019/

Maybe the extra assists for Phillips and Barnes were from cup games?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2019, 02:08:45 PM
Maybe the extra assists for Phillips and Barnes were from cup games?

I don't think they did looking at the links you posted. I guess somebody's abacus ran out of batteries at a crucial moment  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 06, 2019, 02:48:38 PM
great servant and legend but his time is up at this level,not forgetting he probably contributed in a big way towards us not going up last season

no where near as much as DM did.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on August 06, 2019, 03:02:29 PM
great servant and legend but his time is up at this level,not forgetting he probably contributed in a big way towards us not going up last season

 bit harsh Devon, there were a few midfield performances that were found wanting. From my personal recollection it was only the last few games where Chris struggled. I also remember the world class pass he made for the Gayle goal. It is unfair to sugggest that he was a contributing factor to us not getting promoted. I think a lot of the blame can be given to the management of the team, both by DM and JS, and the board and their penny pinching practices.

Having said that, we were in no fit shape to be promoted at the end of last season. Just imagine if we had by some fluke made it - Shan still in charge and a green light to the board for more second rate loan signings........

It may be that Chris was carrying an injury at the tail end of last season. Lets see what he has to offer this season before we roundly condemn him.......  I am more than happy to give him that chance because he has earned it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 06, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
bit harsh Devon, there were a few midfield performances that were found wanting. From my personal recollection it was only the last few games where Chris struggled. I also remember the world class pass he made for the Gayle goal. It is unfair to sugggest that he was a contributing factor to us not getting promoted. I think a lot of the blame can be given to the management of the team, both by DM and JS, and the board and their penny pinching practices.

Having said that, we were in no fit shape to be promoted at the end of last season. Just imagine if we had by some fluke made it - Shan still in charge and a green light to the board for more second rate loan signings........

It may be that Chris was carrying an injury at the tail end of last season. Lets see what he has to offer this season before we roundly condemn him.......  I am more than happy to give him that chance because he has earned it.

got to remember its always the same scapegoats here. always Brunt or Livermore that you hear is to blame.

yet there are many other players who didnt perform as much as they should have last season.

for a man who has been a fantastic player for us and still contributes to us year in year out i just think some people will not be happy until he is retired.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2019, 03:45:31 PM
bit harsh Devon, there were a few midfield performances that were found wanting. From my personal recollection it was only the last few games where Chris struggled. I also remember the world class pass he made for the Gayle goal. It is unfair to sugggest that he was a contributing factor to us not getting promoted. I think a lot of the blame can be given to the management of the team, both by DM and JS, and the board and their penny pinching practices.

Having said that, we were in no fit shape to be promoted at the end of last season. Just imagine if we had by some fluke made it - Shan still in charge and a green light to the board for more second rate loan signings........

It may be that Chris was carrying an injury at the tail end of last season. Lets see what he has to offer this season before we roundly condemn him.......  I am more than happy to give him that chance because he has earned it.


Presume he means the red card as opposed to poor performances (of which there were very few). Ho he does anyway.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albion79 on August 06, 2019, 03:55:31 PM
A side note about Brunty, for a long time has had that he was behind managers getting the sack.

All on social media and sometimes on here too, its been said he runs the dressing room, i think for a phase i wondered it too.

However i have been told from two sources who would be 99% ITK on this that Brunt isnt and never was the problem in the dressing room, by all accounts couldnt be further from the truth.

I still feel he has something offer this season in the right role and the man will go down as an Albion legend regardless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on August 06, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
Nothing wrong with Brunty, it’s the managers playing him out of position. He would have been far more effective played out wide instead of that waste of space Murphy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
Past it I'm afraid
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on August 06, 2019, 05:42:13 PM
let's not knock the bloke in any way possible, he been a major part in what s been a good last decade. whilst other have sulked and wanted away this blokes stood by us and gave his all, age is catching up with him unfortunately but let's remember what he's won us not what he's lost us.wouldn't be a starter now with the central midfielders available but can still do a cameo role when needed. he's one of us and has been for a long time thanks Brunty.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on August 06, 2019, 06:02:22 PM

Presume he means the red card as opposed to poor performances (of which there were very few). Ho he does anyway.

Then if that’s the case he was not the only one sent off at the end of last season....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 06, 2019, 07:50:32 PM
let's not knock the bloke in any way possible, he been a major part in what s been a good last decade. whilst other have sulked and wanted away this blokes stood by us and gave his all, age is catching up with him unfortunately but let's remember what he's won us not what he's lost us.wouldn't be a starter now with the central midfielders available but can still do a cameo role when needed. he's one of us and has been for a long time thanks Brunty.
Indeed that is a very good honest post mate!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Canmore Baggie on August 07, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
let's not knock the bloke in any way possible, he been a major part in what s been a good last decade. whilst other have sulked and wanted away this blokes stood by us and gave his all, age is catching up with him unfortunately but let's remember what he's won us not what he's lost us.wouldn't be a starter now with the central midfielders available but can still do a cameo role when needed. he's one of us and has been for a long time thanks Brunty.

Very fair post. I get really frustrated by Brunt showing up in the starting XI nowadays, not out of any dislike or disrespect for the player, but because time is catching up with him and after 12 years we should have moved on. The odd cameo sub appearance at LB or LM would be ok, but nothing more in my opinion. Great club servant and would love to see him transition into a coaching role teaching the youngsters how to strike a dead ball.

Not in the first ten though, and please not centre mid.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2019, 04:30:01 PM
Very fair post. I get really frustrated by Brunt showing up in the starting XI nowadays, not out of any dislike or disrespect for the player, but because time is catching up with him and after 12 years we should have moved on. The odd cameo sub appearance at LB or LM would be ok, but nothing more in my opinion. Great club servant and would love to see him transition into a coaching role teaching the youngsters how to strike a dead ball.

Not in the first ten though, and please not centre mid.

Yep, bang on. I could only see him moving to Sheffield Wednesday for a final season before he retires OR staying with us and moving into a coaching role.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on August 07, 2019, 04:56:56 PM
let's not knock the bloke in any way possible, he been a major part in what s been a good last decade. whilst other have sulked and wanted away this blokes stood by us and gave his all, age is catching up with him unfortunately but let's remember what he's won us not what he's lost us.wouldn't be a starter now with the central midfielders available but can still do a cameo role when needed. he's one of us and has been for a long time thanks Brunty.
Yes he is.  I can still remember listening to the radio ten years ago or thereabouts when he drilled a late equaliser against Cardiff (I think) to more or less secure promotion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2019, 05:14:15 PM
Yes he is.  I can still remember listening to the radio ten years ago or thereabouts when he drilled a late equaliser against Cardiff (I think) to more or less secure promotion.

I'm sure it was Southampton
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sammyg on August 07, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
I'm sure it was Southampton

It was! What a game
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2019, 05:32:33 PM
It was! What a game

I remember stood in the Smethwick with a right headache after that goal
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on August 15, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
12 years ago today, Chris Brunt, signed for West Bromwich from Sheffield Wednesday.

What a great servant he has and continues to be to the club. Well done Christ!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 15, 2019, 03:13:30 PM
12 years ago today, Chris Brunt, signed for West Bromwich from Sheffield Wednesday.

What a great servant he has and continues to be to the club. Well done Christ!
He ay that good............Jesus !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Joust on August 15, 2019, 05:25:47 PM
One of my all time favourite Albion players. Club legend. Not good enough for the starting 11 anymore but a great bloke from what we've seen/read over the years.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Tank on August 15, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
12 years ago today, Chris Brunt, signed for West Bromwich from Sheffield Wednesday.

What a great servant he has and continues to be to the club. Well done Christ!

he wasn't bad so must have been god
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Barrington on August 15, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Not really a Legend is he though? Not like fans will be looking back in 50 years and reminiscing about the times we yo-yo'd out of the Championship and failed to win any decent cups or anything whilst he was around. He hasn't even been universally liked by most/all fans. Not exactly Steven Gerrard pretty much single handedly winning your team the Champions League.

Feel free to call him a club legend if you like, but I can assure you that he is not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on August 15, 2019, 09:45:18 PM
Not really a Legend is he though? Not like fans will be looking back in 50 years and reminiscing about the times we yo-yo'd out of the Championship and failed to win any decent cups or anything whilst he was around. He hasn't even been universally liked by most/all fans. Not exactly Steven Gerrard pretty much single handedly winning your team the Champions League.

Feel free to call him a club legend if you like, but I can assure you that he is not.

So by your theory we haven’t had a legend since Astle? I think not
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2019, 10:55:44 PM
So by your theory we haven’t had a legend since Astle? I think not

Tony Brown ??

I'm in the category of not sure if Brunt is a legend as for me personally i'm harsh on who is or isn't a legend. Someone has to make a major impact for me to be classed alongside Astle, Brown, Billy Bassett etc but thats for another thread   NOT THIS ONE !! HINT HINT  ;)

With Brunt I have been critical but I have also been consistent with that criticism. My criticism stems from him in the centre of the pitch, always has been always will be, its a position that doesn't suit him and doesn't suit us, I have also been told its a role he doesn't enjoy but whether theres any truth in that no idea.

Out wide not a problem, at left back not a problem and despite that criticism i've always found him a model professional and an absolute gent to meet, someone who has always done his best and never shied away from anything so I do have admiration and a lot of respect for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on August 15, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
We could do with Jacko wading in at this stage to make a contribution !!
On a serious note, what a model professional. I could never understand the antipathy of some supporters towards him.  I'm proud to have Brunty a Baggie.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 16, 2019, 02:40:47 AM
Not really a Legend is he though? Not like fans will be looking back in 50 years and reminiscing about the times we yo-yo'd out of the Championship and failed to win any decent cups or anything whilst he was around. He hasn't even been universally liked by most/all fans. Not exactly Steven Gerrard pretty much single handedly winning your team the Champions League.

Feel free to call him a club legend if you like, but I can assure you that he is not.

If it's the only time we manage a sustained run in the premier league he will be remembered as a recent great.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 16, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
Not really a Legend is he though? Not like fans will be looking back in 50 years and reminiscing about the times we yo-yo'd out of the Championship and failed to win any decent cups or anything whilst he was around. He hasn't even been universally liked by most/all fans. Not exactly Steven Gerrard pretty much single handedly winning your team the Champions League.

Feel free to call him a club legend if you like, but I can assure you that he is not.

In the time he's been here, we've spent a considerable amount of time in the top division after a long spell in the wilderness, won the Championship title, reached an FA Cup semi-final, and he's been instrumental in a lot of that. He's played over 400 times, scored nearly 50 goals, and set up God knows how many, while also spending two spells as club captain.

If Steven Gerrard is your bar for legends, then do Albion have any? You need to be relative, and when you look at what some of our legends have actually achieved in their spells here, you'll see Brunt is comfortably among them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on August 16, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
It’s fair to say that since Jeff and Bomber legends are very thin on the ground I would only nominate Cyrille and maybe Superbob, I most certainly would not put CN in the same bracket. A very good servant but not a legend IMHO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 16, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
It’s fair to say that since Jeff and Bomber legends are very thin on the ground I would only nominate Cyrille and maybe Superbob, I most certainly would not put CN in the same bracket. A very good servant but not a legend IMHO

Why Super Bob and not Chris Brunt?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 16, 2019, 05:03:29 PM
Why Super Bob and not Chris Brunt?
Neither . Super Bob was supporters favourite not a legend (my opinion of course)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on August 16, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Neither . Super Bob was supporters favourite not a legend (my opinion of course)


Agreed.

IMO The only legend this club has had in forty years is Gary Megson for basically giving the kiss of life to an almost dead club. His achievement is still not fully appreciated. I'm not one for celebs or revering others but when it comes to Lord Megson if I met him I think I'd be totally overcome in sheer admiration and to be honest, gratitude.

Without him, I don't even allow myself to think where we'd be now.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on August 16, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
The term 'Legend' is banded around far too easily IMO. Brunt is not a legend. He was a very good footballer (unfortunately past it now) and has served this club well. Similarly the term 'loyal' is too. Is Brunt loyal? I'd say no. The facts are he's played for a football club that has spent most of his time here in the top flight. He's played regularly with a good percentage as captain. Above all he's been exceptionally well paid for the privilege. I don't recall offers from bigger clubs for his services either. He's had is good here so there was never an incentive to move on. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on August 16, 2019, 05:32:42 PM
I'm a Brunty fan as I think he is one of the few players who shows a genuine passion for the club and has shown loyalty to us over a long period of time. He has unquestionably given the club his best years. Although, he is probably now only going to be used on an intermittent basis, he still is maybe the best crosser at the club, and still has an excellent through pass in him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on August 16, 2019, 05:36:02 PM
I'm a Brunty fan as I think he is one of the few players who shows a genuine passion for the club and has shown loyalty to us over a long period of time. He has unquestionably given the club his best years. Although, he is probably now only going to be used on an intermittent basis, he still is maybe the best crosser at the club, and still has an excellent through pass in him.


He is definitely the best crosser at the club, everyone else is awful.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 16, 2019, 05:41:22 PM

Agreed.

IMO The only legend this club has had in forty years is Gary Megson for basically giving the kiss of life to an almost dead club. His achievement is still not fully appreciated. I'm not one for celebs or revering others but when it comes to Lord Megson if I met him I think I'd be totally overcome in sheer admiration and to be honest, gratitude.

Without him, I don't even allow myself to think where we'd be now.

Precisely, great post mate.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on August 16, 2019, 06:45:18 PM
Can’t believe this is a debate. After the years he has given us and the consistency for many years, one of the best assists in the Prem in these last 10 years and we’re talking about whether he is a legend or not??

The amount of games he’s played aswell

The guys a legend and been superb for us when you also consider we only paid 3M for him!

I’ve no issue classing him as a legend at this club

Will miss him when he’s gone
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on August 16, 2019, 07:50:54 PM
Overall I think he has been a good player for us. No question. He’s had his ups and downs but think we have been good for each other.

Genuine question though - I don’t remember too many clubs coming in for him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on September 01, 2019, 09:50:43 PM
Suspect you're both wrong but time will tell, I'd back him to start most home games.

He hasn't started any game yet, has he ?
Probably been in every squad, and that what most of us thought might happen.
Good solid cover for left back / left wing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Cardiaccarol on September 01, 2019, 09:57:54 PM
We haven’t taken a decent corner this year -are these things related?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on September 01, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
Have we put many corners in the box? Seems we play short on nearly every corner That I can recall - would like to see us put a couple more in if the shorts aren’t working
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elkiellis on September 02, 2019, 10:14:27 AM
Still easily the best Corner taker at the club,these short corners are getting us knowhere,maybe without Dawson and Hegazi we don't have much attacking option in the opposition box off corners
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
Still easily the best Corner taker at the club,these short corners are getting us knowhere,maybe without Dawson and Hegazi we don't have much attacking option in the opposition box off corners
Have to say I'm not keen on these short corners when we have Semi and Bartley well over 6ft able to attack them.Brunt still the best corner taker at the club by the looks of it .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on September 02, 2019, 02:27:10 PM
Have to say I'm not keen on these short corners when we have Semi and Bartley well over 6ft able to attack them.Brunt still the best corner taker at the club by the looks of it .
You don't earn a place in the side because you are good at taking corners. Brunt doesn't offer anything like enough in his all round game to merit being a starter. Great servant but we have to accept it, his best days are behind him. As I said previously, will be a bit part player this season at best, and then I expect him to be released at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2019, 11:12:34 PM
You don't earn a place in the side because you are good at taking corners. Brunt doesn't offer anything like enough in his all round game to merit being a starter. Great servant but we have to accept it, his best days are behind him. As I said previously, will be a bit part player this season at best, and then I expect him to be released at the end of the season.
I didn't say you do did I ? , for what its worth thats my view too
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on September 02, 2019, 11:18:14 PM
I didn't say you do did I ? , for what its worth thats my view too
Wasn't having a go mate. Just elaborating on your point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2019, 11:21:24 PM
Wasn't having a go mate. Just elaborating on your point.
None taken ;D , hate seeing loyal players decline but it happens to them all eventually.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on September 05, 2019, 09:21:25 AM
Article on The Athletic about an interview with Chris Brunt. Apparently he says his views on previous managers.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Singhwba on September 05, 2019, 10:01:00 AM
For those that want to read the interview but havent signed up, here you go: Hope this is ok mods!

In the first of a two-part interview, West Brom captain Chris Brunt reflects on the managers that have had the biggest impact on him and the club — for better and worse…

Chris Brunt has experienced a lot in a dozen years at West Bromwich Albion.

But a couple of episodes stand out above all others from the Northern Irishman’s celebrated career which is why, during more than two hours reliving his it with The Athletic, they take up more time than the others.

There was the time that Albion’s players had their say to avert what they saw as looming disaster. And there was the time when, Brunt now believes, they should have done the same again to prevent another catastrophe that came to pass.

The reigns of Pepe Mel and Alan Pardew were both brief and in Brunt’s word: “shambolic”.

While he and his team-mates were criticised for their perceived role in sidelining Mel, the club captain believes they should have spoken out during Pardew’s stint, too.

In the most candid insider account to date of Mel’s infamous four months in charge in 2014, Brunt admits that he and his team-mates feared the worst from the Spaniard’s first training session, when he unveiled an unexpected plan to deal with Everton striker and former West Brom loanee Romelu Lukaku.

“Pepe put a team out in training — 11 versus 11 against some kids from the under-23s and their goalkeeper had the ball from a defender and all our team were in their half, charging at their goalie,” he says.

“We were playing Everton on the Monday. We had played with “Rom” the year before and we knew what he was about.

“We knew we needed to get at least two players behind (defender) Jonas Olsson and Lukaku, because if a ball went over the top of them Rom was going to win it — not just if it’s Jonas but whoever it was.

“But Pepe shouted, ‘Jonas, when Lukaku comes here, you go with him, and I want the rest of the team in their half.’ I was at left back and looked over my shoulder and there was about 60 yards of space behind me. I thought, ‘I don’t fancy that much.’

“We didn’t have a great deal of pace in our back four. If the ball gets booted over me, we have a 50-yard foot-race with the striker.

“Jonas and me walked off after training shaking our heads saying, ‘Oh no, this can’t be good’. If that’s Lukaku running in, he’s going to beat you for pace and strength, cut inside and have shots at goal. We knew that because he’d scored 17 of those for us the season before.

“We managed to get a draw in that game, but everything was just a shambles.”

The acrimony that blighted Mel’s time at the Hawthorns from January to May 2014 hinged on more than just his high-pressing approach.

The characters are well-known to West Brom fans: Steve Clarke, the head coach sacked midway through that 2013-14 season. Dave McDonough, the previously little-known former Liverpool and Valencia technical analyst whose influence grew throughout the campaign. Jeremy Peace, the chairman who was persuaded to hire Mel and swiftly had to rectify his error. Keith Downing and Dean Kiely, the coaches who ended the season as de facto manager and assistant.

And then there were Brunt and the other players, who were cast in the role of plotters by a section of fans who had bought into Mel’s adventurous rhetoric.

Brunt paints a more vivid picture than has ever been seen before.

“Pepe couldn’t speak very good English,” he recalls. “I can’t speak Spanish, so I’ll never take the mickey out of somebody for not speaking another language, but if you’re the coach of an English football team that should be a priority.

“So then Dave McDonough started coming out to translate. At first he came out in his suit or whatever he wore to work, then he got a tracksuit and eventually he got a pair of boots and ended up telling people what to do in training.

“I’ll always remember James Morrison telling him to ‘**** off’ and thinking, ‘Oh no, that’s not good’. The whole atmosphere wasn’t great.

“You’re not really believing what the manager is telling you, you’re being told by a video analyst what the manager is saying, and his fitness coach is just saying, ‘You need to run quicker’.

“He’s a new manager though and you have to give him a chance because we’re here to do a job for him. But the Villa game at Villa Park was it for me, and it was only a couple of games in.”

Brunt recalls Gareth McAuley had previously been injured but was fit to play Villa on January 29. With Mel intent on playing high-pressing football and ‘G-Mac’ the quickest centre back in the squad, his team-mates thought he had to play. But instead, he was left on the bench.

“We went 2-0 up early on and we’re thinking ‘This is all right, we can sit back and play sensibly’. But Pepe was shouting, ‘No! Go, go, go!’

“So we kept going and it was 3-3 at half-time. Villa just kept banging it long to Christian Benteke, who was pinning Diego Lugano and running alongside him and causing mayhem and we were all running up and down like lunatics.

“We ended up losing the game 4-3 and Pepe came in and tapped everybody on the head and said, ‘This is good, guys, this is the way.’

“I had my head in my towel because I was dead on my feet, but when he said that to me I just said ‘This is the way? We’ve just conceded four goals to a team that hasn’t scored four goals in six weeks!’

“We were at the bottom of the league, trying to score 50 goals a game! We disagreed with everything.”

The team were then taken on a training camp that Brunt says was “pointless.” They were coming back to play against fellow strugglers Fulham, but instead of focusing on that six-pointer, Mel had them playing “five-a-sides and stupid games”.

“Eventually in one of the sessions, G-Mac just lost his head and shouted at Dave McDonough ‘Dave, any chance of us doing anything about ******* Fulham? We’ve been here for five days and done nothing.’

“So the next day Pepe comes in and says, ‘Today, we work on Fulham.’

“Pepe was a nice man and the fans liked him because he had a decent personality and wrote books and was interested in a lot of places in England. But we were coming in from training at 1pm and he’d be in his car going off to visit places in England.

“In the end, Keith and Dean pretty much took the team and kept us up that season.”

It was a season when controversy clung to Albion like a limpet.

High-profile summer signing Nicolas Anelka was pilloried, fined and eventually sacked for a “quenelle” hand gesture that was judged to be antisemitic, McDonough rose to prominence and was then shown the door and Morrison and Saido Berahino were involved in an ugly dressing-room fracas.

The anger did not stop there, Brunt reveals.

“It got a bit nasty towards the end in training,” he said. “There was Morrison and Saido, and Morgan Amalfitano was a bit fiery as well. There were no real restrictions on what we were trying to do, so a few lads were kicking lumps out of each other.

“There was one when Amalfitano got upset. People were flying into tackles and Deano had to come over and ref the game to make sure it didn’t turn into a full-scale riot.

“But as soon as the season was over, Pepe was gone. Jeremy is not stupid.”

The players were accused of undermining Mel and ensuring his plans never had a chance to succeed. Their actions were couched by some supporters as a coup. But Brunt is ready to set the record straight.

“The chairman was at risk of losing a Premier League football club so he wanted to know what was going on,” he recalls. “We would walk past the chairman’s office every day and on the odd occasion he would pull you in for a chat if something was bothering him.

“You have to give an honest opinion, otherwise what’s the point of giving it? I’m a firm believer that if something isn’t right you should put your hand up and say something. But ultimately, he made the decisions.

“It’s not like the secret service. We weren’t plotting to take somebody out!”

Brunt now wishes he’d acted upon his beliefs four years later, when Pardew’s attempts to halt Albion’s slide towards relegation ended with just one Premier League win from his four and a half months in charge.

The Pardew era reached its nadir in Barcelona, when a mid-season “bonding trip” descended into farce as four players were accused of stealing a taxi during a late-night visit to McDonald’s.

Gareth Barry, Boaz Myhill, Jonny Evans and Jake Livermore apologised for their actions.

It was at that moment, Brunt reflects, that the players missed a chance to pass comment on a reign which was clearly not working.



“The trip should never have happened because of the position we were in in the league,” he says. “I think Alan had done something similar at Newcastle, when they went to Dubai and played a bit of golf, did a bit of training and had some nights out.

“We played at Chelsea on Monday and went to Barcelona on Tuesday. We had a night out, did a bit of training on Wednesday, which wasn’t great and then he said, ‘The night is yours — don’t be doing anything daft.’

“Whenever you go away in that situation, something daft happens.

“Obviously that was a bit extreme but the lads held their hands up straight away and they’re all lads that don’t generally cause problems.

“At the time we probably should have said more. But you’ve got to give a new manager a chance, and Alan’s record suggested he does usually get a bounce. He just never got it here, and if you don’t get that you’ve got to find another way of getting a result. We didn’t do that.”

Brunt did have his say in a post-match dressing-room confrontation with Pardew, the details of which found their way to the media. But he has few regrets about the heated comments he made amid a period he would clearly rather forget.

“I was on the bench that day but it wasn’t anything to do with being left out. It was just frustrating seeing lads out on the pitch not knowing what they were doing,” he says.

“At that Huddersfield game, the atmosphere at the ground was toxic. It was just after the Barcelona thing and a lot of the lads were public enemy number one, which is not nice. They’re on the pitch getting slated by 25,000 people and they’re not being given the best chance to do better.

“In any walk of life, if you’re in charge and you’re not giving everybody the best opportunity to do their best then it reflects badly on you.

“I didn’t say anything that everybody else wasn’t thinking. When I sat down afterwards, I did say a couple of things that I questioned myself about — you probably shouldn’t say stuff straight after a game. But our situation was that bad that something needed to be said.

“It was a shambles. We deserved to go down.

“Tony Pulis had come in with a plan for 10 clean sheets. When Alan came in, he decided we weren’t scoring enough goals. He was trying to get away from us being a Tony Pulis team, which is fair enough because that’s not the way he wants to manage, but at that time, with us fighting for our Premier League safety, it was not the right thing to do.

“When you have a group of players signed to play in a Tony Pulis team, you do what’s best for that group of players and then think again in the summer.

“That’s what I’d do, but here we are, two years down the line and still in the Championship.”

Pardew had taken over after Pulis was sacked in December 2017. It was a parting of the ways Brunt had seen coming for a while, despite the Welshman keeping the West Brom in the top flight in successive seasons after his arrival early in 2015.

And, while his tone hints at a grudging professional respect for Pulis’s achievements, there is clearly little affection towards the former Stoke and Crystal Palace manager.

“He steadied the ship,” concedes Brunt, 34. “The first thing he said was, ‘We’re going to get 10 clean sheets between now and the end of the season, and if we do that we’ll stay up.’ He was exactly what we needed at the time he took over. But going forward, the effect he has on a football club is maybe not as good.

“I didn’t agree with a lot of the things he was telling us to do and I didn’t agree with a lot of things things he did around the place. It was very much, ‘I’m doing this and I don’t care what you think.’ It’s about him. It was his way or you weren’t playing.

“The season before he left, we’d stayed up in March, we got to May and we hadn’t won in about 10 games and maybe that was the time to change it rather than letting it drag to the next season — which was a shambles.

“The Tony Pulis from two years before would have kept us up, but by then he wasn’t the Tony Pulis who first came in.

“At the start of the season we won two games and drew one, then we had the international break and the end of the transfer window. Then he changed the whole team and put some of the new lads in, even though we’d come off the back of not losing for three games.

“In the two seasons before, and probably for 10 years at Stoke, he would never have done that.”

If Brunt gives the impression he considered Mel, Pulis and Pardew sub-standard, it is no surprise given the esteem in which he holds one of their famous predecessors.

Roy Hodgson led Albion to some of their most memorable Premier League achievements — a 5-1 derby victory at Wolves being the pinnacle — and Brunt admits the man who left the Hawthorns to manage England set the bar incredibly high in the eyes of his players.

“At West Brom, I compare everything to when Roy was the manager — the way he conducted himself, the way he structured his teams and the way he did his sessions,” Brunt says.

“You could have put me anywhere on the pitch with Roy and I would have known what to do. I might not have been able to do it as well as somebody else, because it wouldn’t be my position, but I would have known the basics of what he wanted from me. That’s the way he coached.”

Brunt does though admit that “some people wouldn’t like his sessions.”

“If you threw it out for an under-18s or under-21s team they might think, ‘What the hell is this? We’re not getting to run around or do any tricks.’ But he wasn’t interested in that. He wanted functional things that helped his team on a Saturday, and that’s what training should be.

“A lot of managers and players will do training and then throw in a five-a-side at the end. Roy always used to say, ‘You can have a game if you want. I don’t care’. He wouldn’t even watch, because in five-a-side your centre half can end up playing centre forward and that didn’t help his team on a Saturday. But I really enjoyed his training, because I think it made me a better player.

“We all just trusted each other and you knew if you made a mistake somebody would be there to help you out. His coaching was so good that he didn’t really need to man-manage. Everyone knew everyone else’s job so if you didn’t do it somebody else told you.

“He is the best manager I have worked with. And a good guy, too.

“He is an intelligent man who has been around the world and you could talk to him about anything — your family, his family, places in the world… all kinds of things. He was a gentleman and I don’t think I’ve heard anyone here say anything different.

“Though obviously he does lose it sometimes, and he’s quite funny when he does!”
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on September 05, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
An interesting read - thanks Singhwba
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on September 05, 2019, 10:55:43 AM
For those that want to read the interview but havent signed up, here you go:..................

Cheers SW, much appreciated  8) .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on September 05, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
Very good insight and proves that a lot of the conspiracy theories around Mel were certainly steeped in truth. Same with Pulis, was right at the time of appointment but should have gone sooner. Pardew was cack, no great revelation there.
Been a good servant has Brunty and whilst I never liked him as a captain, on the pitch, or a central midfielder, he has played his part in some very memorable victories.He also seems to genuinely have the club at heart, which is rare these days.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 05, 2019, 12:36:22 PM
Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting.

Chris Brunt comes out in support of the opinions expressed by Fritzl at the time under Pulis, who many felt we should have kept...

“The season before he left, we’d stayed up in March, we got to May and we hadn’t won in about 10 games and maybe that was the time to change it rather than letting it drag to the next season — which was a shambles."


Veeeerrrrrrrrry interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
Saves me paying for a subscription with them  :D

Good article although does cover a lot of what we already knew.

Be interesting to see what is covered with the second part.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 05, 2019, 12:47:22 PM
Saves me paying for a subscription with them  :D

Good article although does cover a lot of what we already knew.

Be interesting to see what is covered with the second part.

That strange bloke speaking with a slight Scouse accent that keeps turning up outside his house showing him photos of the shrine he established in his honour...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on September 05, 2019, 12:57:42 PM
That strange bloke speaking with a slight Scouse accent that keeps turning up outside his house showing him photos of the shrine he established in his honour...

Superb post sir, if I'd been drinking coffee it would've been across the screen  ;D .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on September 05, 2019, 01:04:54 PM
Very interesting and many thanks for sharing it. Not many revelations really but good to read nonetheless.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on September 05, 2019, 01:27:22 PM
So just proves brunt and many others played when then wanted to play and didn't when they didn't fancy it... As we all knew they had to much say in the dressing room... Well all have gone apart from the wand and thank god its coming to an end and defiently don't miss him now... Good riddance "legend"
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: NathWBA on September 05, 2019, 02:37:56 PM
So just proves brunt and many others played when then wanted to play and didn't when they didn't fancy it... As we all knew they had to much say in the dressing room... Well all have gone apart from the wand and thank god its coming to an end and defiently don't miss him now... Good riddance "legend"
I don’t think it says that at all, it’s basically saying they played how they were told to but the instructions were that poor no one knew what they were doing so they spoke up when asked by the chairman.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 05, 2019, 02:57:43 PM
I don’t think it says that at all, it’s basically saying they played how they were told to but the instructions were that poor no one knew what they were doing so they spoke up when asked by the chairman.

How many managers bemoan "when they cross the white line you have no control"
Well, that cuts both ways, why couldn't CB and pals do what they "knew" was right when they were on the pitch ????
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 05, 2019, 05:13:49 PM
How many managers bemoan "when they cross the white line you have no control"
Well, that cuts both ways, why couldn't CB and pals do what they "knew" was right when they were on the pitch ????
Possibly the fear of being dropped. Fear of the manager. Fear of doing your own thing and being at fault for losing. The manager/coach is there for reason. To be obeyed. It’s the same in every industry.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 05, 2019, 05:59:31 PM
Possibly the fear of being dropped. Fear of the manager. Fear of doing your own thing and being at fault for losing. The manager/coach is there for reason. To be obeyed. It’s the same in every industry.

yep, he even says in the interview that under Pulis you either did it his way or you were dropped.

Brunt has been a great servant to the club but his time has come and when everyone is fit and up to speed I don't even see a place for him on the bench.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 06, 2019, 08:56:26 AM
Possibly the fear of being dropped. Fear of the manager. Fear of doing your own thing and being at fault for losing. The manager/coach is there for reason. To be obeyed. It’s the same in every industry.

I get that with one player being a maverick, BUT, when the team are struggling surely the senior players should change things in an effort to turn it around and not just blindly continue doing what is not working?

Any player or manager worth their salt (strange expression) should accept that surely ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2019, 09:01:37 AM
The article is very much an end of career piece in that it is probably franker than it might otherwise be, Brunt knows he has this season and maybe no more there is a sense that the player wants to set the record straight.

Much of what is in the article is generally known and obviously Brunt is not going to paint himself the villain in his own story. There is quite a bit to pick at if I wanted but I am done with it. For the first time maybe since Clarke there is a proper sense of renewal at the club, the squad is younger the coach has a sense of direction and the more importantly the squad aligns with that direction and Brunt as is natural not central to it.

Yesterday has gone all we can hope that we have learned something along the way and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 06, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
I get that with one player being a maverick, BUT, when the team are struggling surely the senior players should change things in an effort to turn it around and not just blindly continue doing what is not working?

Any player or manager worth their salt (strange expression) should accept that surely ?

That assumes the managers to be logical, and not ego-driven. If a player isn't doing what they want, they will drop him - even if what he's doing is for the better.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 06, 2019, 11:14:27 AM
I get that with one player being a maverick, BUT, when the team are struggling surely the senior players should change things in an effort to turn it around and not just blindly continue doing what is not working?

Any player or manager worth their salt (strange expression) should accept that surely ?
without re-reading i think Brunt mentioned that Pardew was known for getting a bounce so were expecting it to suddenly click and work out, which it didn’t in the end.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 06, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
I get that with one player being a maverick, BUT, when the team are struggling surely the senior players should change things in an effort to turn it around and not just blindly continue doing what is not working?

Any player or manager worth their salt (strange expression) should accept that surely ?

Report to who? I thought Pardrew got the job as he was chums with someone on the board.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 06, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Report to who? I thought Pardrew got the job as he was chums with someone on the board.

He worked with Hammond at Reading I believe.

I was hoping brunt would set the record straight on that trip to Barcelona as the small snippets I read suggest that Pardew was involved in some of the dramas that went on..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 06, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
Report to who? I thought Pardrew got the job as he was chums with someone on the board.

Sorry, I'm confused by your question, my point wasn't about reporting stuff, it was about adapting tactics on the pitch
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 06, 2019, 05:34:18 PM
The article is very much an end of career piece in that it is probably franker than it might otherwise be, Brunt knows he has this season and maybe no more there is a sense that the player wants to set the record straight.

Much of what is in the article is generally known and obviously Brunt is not going to paint himself the villain in his own story. There is quite a bit to pick at if I wanted but I am done with it. For the first time maybe since Clarke there is a proper sense of renewal at the club, the squad is younger the coach has a sense of direction and the more importantly the squad aligns with that direction and Brunt as is natural not central to it.

Yesterday has gone all we can hope that we have learned something along the way and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
Short and to the point
Damn good speech sir
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on September 12, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Good example of professionalism in the article linked below..........

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/september2/brunt-on-importance-of-maintaining-match-sharpness/

........ good to see, especially when compared to the attitudes of some of our former players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2019, 01:17:00 PM
Just seen he's trending on Twitter. Opta have published the top Premier League stats for the decade, and he's tenth on the assists list, leading to a bit of admiration (and some incredulity) from fans.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on December 30, 2019, 03:16:18 PM
Just seen he's trending on Twitter. Opta have published the top Premier League stats for the decade, and he's tenth on the assists list, leading to a bit of admiration (and some incredulity) from fans.
Not suprised really when nobody else was allowed to take any set piece especially when we was playing land of the giants football most of our goals put the ball in the box and hope someone gets on the end of... Hasn't done anything for about 4 seasons and can't wait for him to leave in May.. Overrated
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2019, 04:39:23 PM
Why West Brom assist king Chris Brunt is trending in the UK

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-assist-king-chris-17489428

What a servant Chris Brunt has been to our club!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2019, 04:53:50 PM
Not suprised really when nobody else was allowed to take any set piece especially when we was playing land of the giants football most of our goals put the ball in the box and hope someone gets on the end of... Hasn't done anything for about 4 seasons and can't wait for him to leave in May.. Overrated

Wait until Jacko sees that  :P

In all seriousness, if you think it's just because he took the set-pieces then I think you need to go back and watch some of those games. Pulled our strings whenever we went forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
Our plan B of late seems to involve crosses into the box looking for Austin , I think we could do a lot worse than bringing Brunt on for 30 mins and letting him swing a few in from the left.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on December 30, 2019, 06:51:39 PM
Has been a tremendous servant and a good player. Would be a negative move to play him now in my view, other than maybe as left back when Gibbs is not available.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2019, 06:52:23 PM
Our plan B of late seems to involve crosses into the box looking for Austin , I think we could do a lot worse than bringing Brunt on for 30 mins and letting him swing a few in from the left.
Certainly not the worst idea, there's no point giving him a contract extension if he's not used to our advantages.

Anyway, it's a great achievement for him. Had we stayed up he may of finished 7th on the list or so which is fantastic considering the names on the there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2019, 07:11:10 PM
Certainly not the worst idea, there's no point giving him a contract extension if he's not used to our advantages.

Anyway, it's a great achievement for him. Had we stayed up he may of finished 7th on the list or so which is fantastic considering the names on the there.

Would love to see him and GMac brought in to pass on their undoubted expertise in set piece delivery and attacking heading.  Was worth 15 goals a season in the PL and we are pretty poor in those situations now. Those two (plus Dawson) were outstanding.

If we could get our CBs to attack on the air like those two to get on the end of wicked dead balls that’s well worth having.  Brunty has so much to offer on passing on his skills.

One of the few areas where Pulis was ahead of the rest, and we should not let those skills go to waste.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 08:31:05 PM
There always seems to a be a big split between pro and against on here regardless of the topic

For me brunt was a fantastic left footed left sided midfielder who also adapted and gave good service as a left sided full back
He should never be allowed a place in the centre of the park because he cannot play that role, that said , recently I would quite like to have him on the left of midfield for the last 30 mins and especially to take corners/ deliver crosses
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 30, 2019, 09:23:26 PM
Our plan B of late seems to involve crosses into the box looking for Austin , I think we could do a lot worse than bringing Brunt on for 30 mins and letting him swing a few in from the left.

Agreed. If we are slinging it in the box for the last 20 why the hell not. Krovonovic is very tidy and busy but he doesnt do much with regards to defence splitting passes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 30, 2019, 09:25:10 PM
I would be interested to know how many assists he has for albion he must be close on 75. He is stuck on 48 goals as well be nice for him to get the last 2. 10/20 min cameos here a d there this season might see him hit 450 games also.

It's a disgrace that there still has been no talk of his and morrisons testimonials
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2019, 01:31:23 AM
I would be interested to know how many assists he has for albion he must be close on 75. He is stuck on 48 goals as well be nice for him to get the last 2. 10/20 min cameos here a d there this season might see him hit 450 games also.

It's a disgrace that there still has been no talk of his and morrisons testimonials

Career record across clubs and career courtesy of Transfermarkt.........

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chris-brunt/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/36814
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on December 31, 2019, 08:16:33 AM
I would be interested to know how many assists he has for albion he must be close on 75. He is stuck on 48 goals as well be nice for him to get the last 2. 10/20 min cameos here a d there this season might see him hit 450 games also.

It's a disgrace that there still has been no talk of his and morrisons testimonials


They are both very wealthy gentlemen and I personally don’t go along with them having a devine right to a testimonial. Just my view, not seeking an argument.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Aztech on December 31, 2019, 08:22:24 AM


They are both very wealthy gentlemen and I personally don’t go along with them having a devine right to a testimonial. Just my view, not seeking an argument.

In most instances today players donate funds raised to charity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 31, 2019, 08:55:07 AM


They are both very wealthy gentlemen and I personally don’t go along with them having a devine right to a testimonial. Just my view, not seeking an argument.

The money could go to charity, as it does most times now. It would be about honouring the pair. (Although they may be loathe to do one as Albion fans never turn up for friendlies).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on December 31, 2019, 08:54:52 PM
I would start him at left back tomorrow against Leeds.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on December 31, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
I would start him at left back tomorrow against Leeds.

I’d bring him on later on, when the opposition is tiring, Personally
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lindenbaggie on December 31, 2019, 10:16:19 PM
I’d bring him on later on, when the opposition is tiring, Personally

Leeds proved against Blues that they're vulnerable to crosses into the area, and this will no doubt have been noted. So, yes, 20-25 minutes late on with Brunt on for Edwards could work.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on December 31, 2019, 11:02:11 PM
I would start him at left back tomorrow against Leeds.

If Gibbs is fit, he starts. If Gibbs isn't then i'm with you 100%, not been impressed with Townsend at all his positional sense doesn't exist and we'll get destroyed down the left especially if it's Edwards again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 01, 2020, 12:54:47 AM
By my maths 88 assist and 48 goals by my maths although I have had a drink. 423 games so he won't make 450 unless he gets another year... which I don't advocate.

And testimonial for the Albion foundation and to celebrate what they both did for the club. I still hope he gets his 50 goals for wba 12 assists of a century too just imagine...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on January 01, 2020, 03:54:34 PM
Any truth in the rumours of interest from Stoke?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2020, 04:08:01 PM
Any truth in the rumours of interest from Stoke?

According to this clickbait site The Athletic are reporting it apparently, with O'Neill in charge there could be something in it but would be amazed if he were to leave.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/stoke-city-considering-january-swoop-for-experienced-championship-man/
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 01, 2020, 04:21:09 PM
If i were Brunt i wouldn't want to go out sat on the bench for the whole of my last season but that's just me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on January 01, 2020, 08:47:46 PM
If we could get half a million back (this is Stoke after all) then I would let him go as we need to look forward and he can get 18 month contract there at least and a signing on fee as well as game time.

Tbh, he should have played instead of Krov today from the start.

So if he is not going to play find a younger player (easier said than done) say thanks and goodbye.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 01, 2020, 08:50:34 PM
I'd let him go on a free for his service.

Will save us 20-25k pw and he gets to bow out playing rather than being a bit part player on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
He should also be number 2 to Kieran Gibbs because Townsend is awful and then we have the added bonus that he can swing some corners in.
I’d guess Townsend would be honest enough to admit his faults and when he wasn’t 100% fit...maybe Gibbs should do the same ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 02, 2020, 06:06:25 PM
According to this clickbait site The Athletic are reporting it apparently, with O'Neill in charge there could be something in it but would be amazed if he were to leave.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/stoke-city-considering-january-swoop-for-experienced-championship-man/
Would be surprised if Brunt saw himself playing for the Stokies. He has given this club his best years and is reaching legend status, so why would he mess that up by going to one of our fiercest rivals. Mc Lean and Berahino did but they are hardly in the same category. I think he wants to help us back into the Prem, but if he wanted to leave, I think he'd choose a club other than Stoke.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on January 02, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
After Townsends competent display yesterday but Krov's uninspiring display, I would seriously consider starting Brunt on the left of midfield, with Krov coming in for him when Brunty gets tired.  Brunty would offer more with his left wand, and Krov always seems to be better as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 03, 2020, 01:22:32 AM
After Townsends competent display yesterday but Krov's uninspiring display, I would seriously consider starting Brunt on the left of midfield, with Krov coming in for him when Brunty gets tired.  Brunty would offer more with his left wand, and Krov always seems to be better as an impact sub.

I would be playing him v charlton. We need to freshen up as is. He should have came on v boro in the dying embers we might as well have somebody competent slinging deliveries in.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 03, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
I read somewhere Brunty gets on very well with the Stoke manager O'Neill from his Ireland days.

I would be playing him on the left in all honesty at either LB or if looking for a goal at the end of games, maybe wide left to whip the ball in for Austin to head home..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on January 03, 2020, 09:08:15 AM
Brunt is finished! I don't understand  how anyone thinks he could still do a job in this team? He can't or don't you think the man who knows best would play him?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: overseas baggie on January 03, 2020, 10:03:33 AM
Brunt is finished! I don't understand  how anyone thinks he could still do a job in this team? He can't or don't you think the man who knows best would play him?

Reality is that with that wand of a left foot he could still be delivering exquisite balls when he’s 50 or 60.  Sadly football doesn’t have dedicated kickers like American Football otherwise he would be worth his weight in gold.

Sadly, as with everybody, age catches up with everyone when it comes to the hard yards and although Gareth Barry has somehow kept going, Brunty is a different type of player altogether.  I dare say we could get the odd very useful 30 minutes out of him now and again this season, but if he wants to keep playing for another year or so then it’s best that he gets that chance elsewhere then we should let him go. He deserves that.

I’m a huge Brunty admirer but all good things must come to an end
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on January 03, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
All players have a cliff edge at some point in their 30's but when in their 30's depends on their position and the type of player they are. The more they are dependent on pace the earlier in their 30's that cliff edge arrives. However the thing that triggers rapid decline is inactivity.

This may seem a paradox because the thing that one might hear most frequently about older players is that they can't play 2 games a week. This might be true they do need nursing but equally they need regular game time to keep their match sharpness and once that goes it is very difficult to recover it. I would have given him a run out wide left in the absence of Diangana but Bilic who sees the player day in day out didn't.

I hope Brunt does not go to Stoke I don't begrudge him the payday if he can squeeze an extra year out of them so be it. I think the end is here for him. Regardless of the outcome I hope to say goodbye to him on the last day of the season and I will stay behind to applaud him onto and off the pitch. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on January 03, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
Chris has been a great servant to this club.  Some years ago I remember him towards the end of a season when we were relegated going around the ground (I think he had a knock so was not playing) and shaking hands with fans.  He shook hands with me and my then quite small son who said "well done you were great"- he shed a tear and said not quite great enough.  In short he is one of a small number of players who really care about the club and I hope he is here at the end of the season so we can say a proper goodbye.  If the Gods are smiling on me, please allow him a further payday that does not involve Stoke, though I could not begrudge him this, and it does seem like a logical fit.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2020, 05:24:15 PM

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Chris Brunt heads over to the travelling fans, hands his shirt to one and his team-mates hang back a little while he applauds the supporters. Might mean nothing. We will see in the weeks ahead. #WBA #WBAFC


Could it be the end for him here? personally hope not, i've given him stick over the years purely for his role in the middle of the park as i've never rated him there since a friendly at Coventry under RDM and apart from the odd thing here and there not seen anything to prove me wrong.

As a wide player and at left back he is a different player where he can whip crosses in to great effect as we've seen over the years but football moves on and players have to come to an end somewhere, i'd rather him stay and end his career here but if he wants to play then we have to respect his wishes if he chooses to leave.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 05, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
Yes said it before, for what he has done for us overall, he 100% deserves a free transfer.

If he gets the chance to finish his career playing somewhere fairly regularly he should definitely take it. Much more dignified way of bowing out of a successful career than sat in the stands and he deserves to go out with dignity.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 05, 2020, 05:34:18 PM
Also someone correctly spotted he's the first player to play for Albion since Tony Brown and Daryl Burgess across 3 decades
2007-2020
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 05, 2020, 05:36:59 PM
I'd sooner be putting Brunt on with 30 mins to go swinging balls in rather than Krovinovic or the likes , seen Today his corners are better than ours of late and I include Pereira's in that .
Couldn't possible begrudge him a move but for me he still has a role here .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 05, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
I'd sooner be putting Brunt on with 30 mins to go swinging balls in rather than Krovinovic or the likes , seen Today his corners are better than ours of late and I include Pereira's in that .
Couldn't possible begrudge him a move but for me he still has a role here .

His dead ball delivery could make a difference late on against some teams. I share your sentiment.

He's not a starter, but his experience could be vital.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on January 05, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
Did seem it could've been his final swansong today after the way he came over to the fans at the end. He looked really disappointed when he missed that chance off the bar and ironically laughing to himself as if to rue not making the most of it.

If it is his last game for us, then I wish him all the best, he's been a great servant to the club and "The Wand" has always been a major weapon for us when he plays LMF or LB.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 05, 2020, 07:16:06 PM
He was superb and definitely still a role here.


Would rather him as a midfield option than Harper or Barry.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on January 05, 2020, 07:30:15 PM
Has anyone got any vids / pic from him today
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 05, 2020, 07:41:00 PM
He was superb and definitely still a role here.


Would rather him as a midfield option than Harper or Barry.

Think he is a great option for us at this level. Along with Zohore and harper should really have put himself in contention for Saturday against the same opponents
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 05, 2020, 07:45:16 PM
Think he is a great option for us at this level. Along with Zohore and harper should really have put himself in contention for Saturday against the same opponents


Harper has a lot more to do to be considered at first team level imo.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: fatboy_coach on January 05, 2020, 07:50:53 PM
Has anyone got any vids / pic from him today

Highlights on the BBC website show him hit the bar and also set up Austin to hit the post https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50976142
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: chipperclark on January 06, 2020, 03:50:38 AM
 ;D Love Brunty to pieces,but his 35 year old legs won't do the job in the PL . I believe his best option is to give a few years to a Championship team and then continue his career in coaching,with us hopefully.

Will always be treasured here at The Hawthorns,and has been stated, played here over 3 decades putting him in the "Bomber' class of service to the club.

Think he should be part of the team group with the occasional game or as sub.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on January 06, 2020, 09:21:22 AM
Id hate to see Brunt go, not only does he offer us something in the side still but he is invaluable to us in the dressing room and the squad.

Yes his time is nearly up of that there is no doubt, but let him see out the season here then let him go for free and give a couple of years of service to another club if he wishes to continue playing.

Lets not let him goto Stoke, although I understand why their boss would be after him.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2020, 10:42:16 AM
I have been a critic of CB for about 2 years now, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t recognise him for a massive contribution to the club over the last decade, that said I will not be sad to see the last vestiges of the player power clique moving on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on January 06, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
It's year 2040 and some west Brom fans still want brunt to play cause he is loyal and can take a corner... No wonder we never move on his legs have gone and he can't tackle just the reason why we lost in play offs.. The legend the wand Chris brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 06, 2020, 10:09:09 PM
It's year 2040 and some west Brom fans still want brunt to play cause he is loyal and can take a corner... No wonder we never move on his legs have gone and he can't tackle just the reason why we lost in play offs.. The legend the wand Chris brunt


We lost in the play off semi due to two players, neither of them is called Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 07, 2020, 08:17:50 AM
It's year 2040 and some west Brom fans still want brunt to play cause he is loyal and can take a corner... No wonder we never move on his legs have gone and he can't tackle just the reason why we lost in play offs.. The legend the wand Chris brunt

its year 2020 and "fans" still moan about his none contribution to the team and hes been here too long bla bla bla.

the funny thing is that he can STILL contribute to the team more than others. Townsend is a league one LB and Brunt is a better option. People constantly say that Brunts legs have gone yet no one ever mentions Barry.

Boro at home Barrys legs had gone after 20 minutes !!

Brunt should be a back up option at LB after Gibbs/Ferguson and should be back up to Sawyers/Livermore.

i find it an absolute joke Brunt has been here over 10 years yet some fans still question his ability and input into the team/squad.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 07, 2020, 08:43:29 AM
its year 2020 and "fans" still moan about his none contribution to the team and hes been here too long bla bla bla.

the funny thing is that he can STILL contribute to the team more than others. Townsend is a league one LB and Brunt is a better option. People constantly say that Brunts legs have gone yet no one ever mentions Barry.

Boro at home Barrys legs had gone after 20 minutes !!

Brunt should be a back up option at LB after Gibbs/Ferguson and should be back up to Sawyers/Livermore.

i find it an absolute joke Brunt has been here over 10 years yet some fans still question his ability and input into the team/squad.

thankfully Bilic doesn't share your view.

He was a very good player for us, he used to have a wand of a left foot.
He can't play in centre midfield and is too slow for a LB.

He started poorly against Charlton but improved as the game went on and was really unlucky to hit the bar with a great piece of skill (the delicate chip) but it was against a very inexperienced and quite poor Charlton side which shouldn't be forgotten. Against better opposition I think he would have struggled.

What he has done over the last 10 years should be remembered and respected but shouldn't influence decisions being made for the here and now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 07, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
thankfully Bilic doesn't share your view.

He was a very good player for us, he used to have a wand of a left foot.
He can't play in centre midfield and is too slow for a LB.

He started poorly against Charlton but improved as the game went on and was really unlucky to hit the bar with a great piece of skill (the delicate chip) but it was against a very inexperienced and quite poor Charlton side which shouldn't be forgotten. Against better opposition I think he would have struggled.

What he has done over the last 10 years should be remembered and respected but shouldn't influence decisions being made for the here and now.

if it was a poor and inexperienced side, i find it amazing then that because of saturday, Harper is now being talked about being on the bench for the next games?

Maybe some will not realise until Brunt is gone, he is now a squad player at best but he still offers us something IMO that others do not. Townsend is a League 1 left back and very poor and for as brilliant as Barry has been, i felt sorry for him against Boro. He looked a very old man. If that had of Been Brunt he would have been slaughtered and that is what i find disappointing, i have always felt he is judged differently to other players but would love to know why.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 07, 2020, 09:06:56 AM
if it was a poor and inexperienced side, i find it amazing then that because of saturday, Harper is now being talked about being on the bench for the next games?

Maybe some will not realise until Brunt is gone, he is now a squad player at best but he still offers us something IMO that others do not. Townsend is a League 1 left back and very poor and for as brilliant as Barry has been, i felt sorry for him against Boro. He looked a very old man. If that had of Been Brunt he would have been slaughtered and that is what i find disappointing, i have always felt he is judged differently to other players but would love to know why.

Not by me he isn't. I said in the after match thread that I thought Harper was poor.

Townsend isn't poor at all but he is inconsistent. He played really well for us when Gibbs was out and Ferguson was suspended but then had a couple of poor games (Blues away was one , I can't remember the other).

Mentioning how old you think Barry looked against Boro doesn't negate my argument though. Chris Brunt is not a centre midfield player and would equally have struggled against Boro IMHO. His lack of pace would have been as apparent as Barry's and his inability to tackle would have been exposed, at least Barry has a tackle in him.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2020, 10:03:28 AM
Not by me he isn't. I said in the after match thread that I thought Harper was poor.

Townsend isn't poor at all but he is inconsistent. He played really well for us when Gibbs was out and Ferguson was suspended but then had a couple of poor games (Blues away was one , I can't remember the other).

Mentioning how old you think Barry looked against Boro doesn't negate my argument though. Chris Brunt is not a centre midfield player and would equally have struggled against Boro IMHO. His lack of pace would have been as apparent as Barry's and his inability to tackle would have been exposed, at least Barry has a tackle in him.


Townsend isn't fit to lace Brunt's boots at this level in any position.


Saturday was not as easy as everyone is making out. It was a superb controlled performance from principally Hegazi, O'Shea, Barry, Brunt and Austin. They helped the others through it and we deserved a couple more goals.


I'll be extremely interested to see how Bartley, Livermore and HRK et al get on there.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 07, 2020, 10:17:58 AM

Townsend isn't fit to lace Brunt's boots at this level in any position.


Saturday was not as easy as everyone is making out. It was a superb controlled performance from principally Hegazi, O'Shea, Barry, Brunt and Austin. They helped the others through it and we deserved a couple more goals.


I'll be extremely interested to see how Bartley, Livermore and HRK et al get on there.

bit of a moot point really as Bilic seems to see Townsend and not Brunt as the replacement for Gibbs.
 As I said Townsend is inconsistent and if we replace Gibbs it needs to be with someone better as first choice but he has shown he can be more than adequate cover.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on January 07, 2020, 10:23:44 AM
I don't get the negativity towards Townsend. I agree with Hull Baggie he is a very decent player but does throw in the odd really poor performance (as mentioned Blues).

As far as Brunty is concerned he still has that quality on the ball. I do think he can be effective for us still but only really if we play 442 where he can play narrowly on the left hand side making it almost a three in centre mid or similarly in a 352. Playing 4231 as we regularly do doesn't play to Brunty's strengths.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on January 07, 2020, 07:50:42 PM

Townsend isn't fit to lace Brunt's boots at this level in any position.


Saturday was not as easy as everyone is making out. It was a superb controlled performance from principally Hegazi, O'Shea, Barry, Brunt and Austin. They helped the others through it and we deserved a couple more goals.


I'll be extremely interested to see how Bartley, Livermore and HRK et al get on there.
It's not that cut and dried if comparing them as left backs surely ?  People have been mentioning Brunt playing there to get crosses in but we don't really setup to play that way as a team and in any case that looks to be the strongest part of Townsend's game....including the peach he put in for Austin on Sunday for the 2nd half hand ball penalty appeal. Townsend does have decent games along with some more iffy ones but at least he's young enough to improve and learn with the experience he's getting. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 07, 2020, 09:37:36 PM

Townsend isn't fit to lace Brunt's boots at this level in any position.


Saturday was not as easy as everyone is making out
. It was a superb controlled performance from principally Hegazi, O'Shea, Barry, Brunt and Austin. They helped the others through it and we deserved a couple more goals.


I'll be extremely interested to see how Bartley, Livermore and HRK et al get on there.
And they had a match on Sunday too....no wonder we are getting fatigue
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 07, 2020, 10:06:46 PM
And they had a match on Sunday too....no wonder we are getting fatigue


Whoops, in my defence I'd been up all night ill.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 25, 2020, 10:22:13 PM
He had a good game today. He has been criminally under utilized this season.

He shouldn't be starting week in week out but he is worthy of the odd start and to come on off the bench.

He and barry are comfortable on the ball and keep us ticking over and retain possession if there isn't an opening this builds pressure. Of late moves have broken down with Livermore who treats it like a hot potato
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on January 25, 2020, 10:52:14 PM
He had a good game today. He has been criminally under utilized this season.

He shouldn't be starting week in week out but he is worthy of the odd start and to come on off the bench.

He and barry are comfortable on the ball and keep us ticking over and retain possession if there isn't an opening this builds pressure. Of late moves have broken down with Livermore who treats it like a hot potato
Spot on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gavinrussell on January 31, 2020, 06:58:55 PM
Madeley reporting Brunty to Stoke deal is almost done...
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 31, 2020, 07:00:03 PM
Be a crying shame for it to happen like this without getting a chance to bid him farewell after all this time.

Think of poor Jacko at this time!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on January 31, 2020, 07:02:49 PM
About time what a great transfer window this will be if he goes.. 2 year to long  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 31, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
All the best Brunty, thanks for the service.

Deserves to go out playing.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 31, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
There is a god :o
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggies_24 on January 31, 2020, 07:04:51 PM
Can understand him wanting to play football, really am gutted to see him go though been a superb player for the club, if he does move tonight I would hope he could be given the chance to say goodbye at tomorrow game it’s the least he deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2020, 07:05:01 PM
Great player and bloke but frees up ££ for a reserve.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Topman on January 31, 2020, 07:05:59 PM
I’m sad about this, think we need his experience
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 31, 2020, 07:06:28 PM
Can understand him wanting to play football, really am gutted to see him go though been a superb player for the club, if he does move tonight I would hope he could be given the chance to say goodbye at tomorrow game it’s the least he deserves.

I imagine they’d get Jacko to do his cap presentation at half time
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on January 31, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
Well and truly gutted if he’s gone as the rumours suggest

End of the season yeah I’d get it but I don’t right now

Still had something to offer for me

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan87uk on January 31, 2020, 07:08:49 PM
Nothing negative please if he is set to leave.

He may well have expended all of the remaining spells he had left in that left wand of his, but the man has been nothing short of an amazing servant to the club since he's been here.

He's a modern day legend for the years of service he's given to us.

Good luck Brunty! Wish you all the best!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on January 31, 2020, 07:10:08 PM
I imagine they’d get Jacko to do his cap presentation at half time

Oh man, that made me chuckle! I'd like to have whip around to try and make this happen.

I've had a love-hate relationship with Brunt but it's been nothing but love for the last 3-4 years. I don't want him to go unless it's to make an imminent improvement today.

It's very, very sad and i hope we get a chance to say goodbye to him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 31, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
Best of luck Brunty.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnny Cash on January 31, 2020, 07:19:10 PM
Great player for us and great servant of the club. Never any scandal and even handled being pelted by our own fans with dignity. A real shame for him to go like this, even if it’s 7 months too late.

I remember being delighted at signing both him and Morrison that August in 2007, both were up and coming relatively young players who were exactly who we should have been going for, Morrison being a relative coup as I was surprised boro let him go and Brunt being a stand out championship prospect. Nobody would have predicted how good they’d be for us and that they’d last 10 years.

I hope he and Morrison get the testimonial they deserve. Exactly the type of young midfielder we should be trying to sign now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
It won't look right Bruntie playing in other colours, especially if its Stokes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2020, 07:32:47 PM
Got more to offer than some of ours right now , I'd be keeping him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
Be a shame if he does go, been a great servant for us but I guess he wants to play games and he knows O'Neill very well. Be interesting where he slots in though as he seemed to have played a number of games at left back for Northern Ireland before he retired from the international game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2020, 07:34:31 PM
Got more to offer than some of ours right now , I'd be keeping him.

I think the signing of Barry showed that he is down the line for the central role (not a centre midfielder !) and we can't play both as shown last season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 31, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
I imagine they’d get Jacko to do his cap presentation at half time

Lads, can we cut the personal stuff please, might be banter but can we leave it
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jimmyj on January 31, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
I do hope they go ahead with the previously suggested Morrison Vs Brunt testimonial in the summer. Give both a chance to say their goodbyes, and I'm almost positive the ground would sell out for such a game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gavinrussell on January 31, 2020, 07:53:32 PM
Just watched O'Neils interview on Sky before their match tonight..he wouldnt confirm or deny the Rumours..guess we will have to wait for Jim "I've only got a Yellow tie" White to announce it later if the deal does happen..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pelada on January 31, 2020, 07:55:59 PM
Years overdue and he’s someone who made a lot of money at this football club for being a pretty average player. He was excellent under Mowbray but his so-called “wand” of a left foot was very intermittent.

A modern legend he is not, but a great servant nonetheless.

The real sad thing is that he leaves for that horrible lot at Stoke. Would have liked to have seen him finish up at Sheffield Wed and go full circle.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on January 31, 2020, 07:59:09 PM
If he goes it places a lot of responsibility on Townsend to play well until Gibbs is back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: saml30 on January 31, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
No no no  :'( :'( :'(

One of the worst places for home to go, can’t stand the stokies!

Thanks for everything Brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on January 31, 2020, 08:02:46 PM
Years overdue and he’s someone who made a lot of money at this football club for being a pretty average player. He was excellent under Mowbray but his so-called “wand” of a left foot was very intermittent.

A modern legend he is not, but a great servant nonetheless.

The real sad thing is that he leaves for that horrible lot at Stoke. Would have liked to have seen him finish up at Sheffield Wed and go full circle.

Wow would really be interested at what you think is a modern day legend. 300 odd appearances, fa cup semi, premier league and a championship win.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on January 31, 2020, 08:05:21 PM
From a football perspective I'm not sad to see him go as he is past his best but absolutely no way he deserves abuse! He has been a great servant, played whenever and wherever he's been asked to and never disrespected our club.
Football is not just about success and ability, loyalty and integrity should never be ridiculed, they are in short supply in the modern game.
Good luck to him, hope he goes down though. ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
Maybe we have someone to come in and cover that position.
Maybe he's already here
Olsson?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on January 31, 2020, 08:14:00 PM
Excellent servant of this club.  Good luck Chris.... did it have to be Stoke?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: section5 on January 31, 2020, 08:24:24 PM
Shame we can't give him a planned send off. Great servant and legend in my eyes, I'm sure his stats will be looked at in years to come as opposed to the odd poor performance etc and reaffirm his legend status when you consider who we are and the journey he's been on with us.  Thankyou Chris for everything
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on January 31, 2020, 08:38:18 PM
It hard to comprehend how long he's been at the club. But if i think bout how that when he joined i was 22 and think about where my life was then it's kind of jaw-dropping!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on January 31, 2020, 08:39:21 PM
It hard to comprehend how long he's been at the club. But if i think bout how that when he joined i was 22 and think about where my life was then it's kind of jaw-dropping!

Same here. I was just turning 28. I'm 40 this year. My life has changed immensely in that time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarenno on January 31, 2020, 08:40:50 PM
Sentimentally I’m really sad to see him go if he goes , would have loved for him to have  left in the summer and had a decent send off. Personally I still think he had a part to play , still by a country mile the best crosser of a the ball at the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on January 31, 2020, 08:41:14 PM
At this moment in time letting Brunty go is wrong. Bad move Bilic, Brunty could still have played an important part this season.

Unpopular view maybe, but I'm starting to have major concerns over Bilic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Singhwba on January 31, 2020, 08:55:00 PM
Will Brunt leaving affect the dressing room and the players? I hope not!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 31, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
Sentimentally I’m really sad to see him go if he goes , would have loved for him to have  left in the summer and had a decent send off. Personally I still think he had a part to play , still by a country mile the best crosser of a the ball at the club.

No longer the best crosser of a ball, several better now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on January 31, 2020, 09:04:13 PM
Well a few quid off the wage bill, and Brunt will get to play football, great club man over the years, will always be thought of well here
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on January 31, 2020, 09:04:42 PM
No longer the best crosser of a ball, several better now.


You have got to be joking. Our delivery into the box is absolutely abysmal.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on January 31, 2020, 09:05:37 PM
If you do go - All the best Chris. Thanks for the many years of sterling service with some magic moments. I do believe you are one of the last of the great clubmen. I can't think of any time when you let our club or supporters down. Pity it might be Stoke, one of our rivals we have often struggled to beat, but fully understand the draw of joining up with Mr O'Neil for a last challenge. Once again good luck and many thanks, your presence at The Hawthorns will always be welcomed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbarenno on January 31, 2020, 09:13:34 PM
No longer the best crosser of a ball, several better now.

Name me one ? Matty Phillips’s crossing from dead ball is shocking , Perriera’s crossing from a dead ball situation is again shocking . Unless Perriera is shooting from a free kick his crossing is woefull .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 31, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
Criminally under utilized under the current regime. He should easily be in the side over Livermore.

425 odd games 48 goals 88 assists or something crazy club legend. I hope he gets his testimonial. Would much prefer he leave in the summer on a free with another championship winners medal round his neck
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on January 31, 2020, 09:29:28 PM
Criminally under utilized under the current regime. He should easily be in the side over Livermore.

425 odd games 48 goals 88 assists or something crazy club legend. I hope he gets his testimonial. Would much prefer he leave in the summer on a free with another championship winners medal round his neck

Absolute legend but dont agree he should be starting ahead of Livermore. Livermore has been poor last 7 games as has everyone. Before that though I think he had improved greatly under Slav. Brunt should have gone when we got relegated along with Mozza and G Mac. Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 31, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
Will go down in baggies folklore as Brexit day.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on January 31, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
I really have mixed emotions about this, I cannot imagine seeing CB playing against us , but the guy deserves a great send off from us.
have to say that I'm surprised that Stoke have again come in for one of ours.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on January 31, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I really have mixed emotions about this, I cannot imagine seeing CB playing against us , but the guy deserves a great send off from us.
have to say that I'm surprised that Stoke have again come in for one of ours.

Hopefully he wont be playing against us if we get our act in gear and get back.on track
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 31, 2020, 09:49:58 PM
We've played Stoke twice, he won't be playing against us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 31, 2020, 09:57:43 PM
We've played Stoke twice, he won't be playing against us.
he means next season, hinting that if we get our act together we’ll get promoted.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on January 31, 2020, 09:58:31 PM
he means next season, hinting that if we get our act together we’ll get promoted.

Correct
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on January 31, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
he means next season, hinting that if we get our act together we’ll get promoted.

With you, i was replying to Albioinic post. The one below hadn't appeared as i typed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
Stoke are in a dog fight and could be relegated, I wouldn’t like to see Chris involved in all that. Stay and win promotion a much better option to end your career
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on January 31, 2020, 10:05:31 PM
Stoke are in a dog fight and could be relegated, I wouldn’t like to see Chris involved in all that. Stay and win promotion a much better option to end your career

If they play him in the centre of the park there's a very good chance that will happen.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 31, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Send harper to them instead and keep brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on January 31, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Looks like Brunt is staying #wba
Quote Tweet
Pete Smith
@PeteSmith1983
Chris Brunt isn’t coming to Stoke, says Michael O’Neill
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
Stoke journo says O'Neil says Brunt staying at Albion. Thank **** for that. Now put him in the bloody team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Atomic on January 31, 2020, 10:19:26 PM
Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Looks like Brunt is staying #wba
Quote Tweet
Pete Smith
@PeteSmith1983
Chris Brunt isn’t coming to Stoke, says Michael O’Neill

Excellent if true. Really pleased. Peltier in, now let's get rid of Ferguson.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Really don’t see the issue here
He’s on  25k a week, never plays , can’t tackle etc etc

He may have contributed well in the past (on the left) but my god he’s been found wanting in recent times and let’s not forget he was never a volunteer and always paid well..

But people crying over him going...but quite happy to shove a young future England right back out the door?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2020, 10:21:51 PM
Ferguson will never ever play a senior England international match and is forcing his way out of the club. Brunt a model professional, you're surely on the wind up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 31, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
Ferguson will never ever play a senior England international match and is forcing his way out of the club. Brunt a model professional, you're surely on the wind up.
Most certainly not on any wind up
Your comment is your opinion and not fact until Ferguson retires, you are also aware that you stated (amongst many other things) that wolves were doomed this season

Anyway
The”model” thing....assuming you don’t mean the obvious as in static , in which case I’d agree
Then I assume you mean model as in best behaviour etc....would that include stitching up a previous manager ?, regardless of opinion respect should be respect?
There is no doubt that brunt has played a very important role in WBA,s recent history...again I’ll say he also got paid well for it....
I don’t dislike him, I don’t really know him and have no axe to grind personally....but, he is at the tail end of his career , we can debate about what he has to offer but we are literally talking cameos until the inevitable hanging of the boots in the next 24 months...
Ferguson despite easy open accusations about his motivation and character is ....and at a very early age...a fantastic prospect who can play anywhere across the back, and (imo) god willing will play for England

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on January 31, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
Another one who is staying after all
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 01, 2020, 01:07:42 AM
Retiring at the end of the season following our promotion would be a great way to finish his career.

A true modern day hero
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: buzzingbaggie on February 01, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
He's a legend!

Glad he's staying and will hopefully get a proper send off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 01, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
Anybody celebrating his staying care to stump his wages whilst he doesn’t play?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 03, 2020, 09:03:05 AM
Anybody celebrating his staying care to stump his wages whilst he doesn’t play?

The thing is, you can only really complain about still having his wages on the books if we could have used it to bring other players in.

We weren't looking for anybody else; we were only going to sign somebody to replace him, and make up the numbers.

He is still useful to have coming off the bench, for his experience and set-piece delivery.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: adamw1109 on February 03, 2020, 09:10:14 AM
The thing is, you can only really complain about still having his wages on the books if we could have used it to bring other players in.

We weren't looking for anybody else; we were only going to sign somebody to replace him, and make up the numbers.

He is still useful to have coming off the bench, for his experience and set-piece delivery.

How many of those have been decent this season?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wigmore on February 03, 2020, 09:13:45 AM
Anybody celebrating his staying care to stump his wages whilst he doesn’t play?
Strange slant to take.
Do you have the same feelings about all the other players at the club who don't make the 1st team match day squad?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 03, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
Anybody celebrating his staying care to stump his wages whilst he doesn’t play?

With the performance of the current squad it is fair to say that Brunt has not really featured.  But I think he is good to have in the squad- great in the dressing room, still very good at crosses, corners and set pieces (corners on Saturday were terrible I would note in passing) and is average compared to the rest of the squad outfield.  I wish him well.  Great servant for us, and deserves to move on with huge dignity at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 03, 2020, 04:56:32 PM
Seems he stayed as Stoke failed to move on Martins Indi which led to us not signed the bloke from Watford

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/02/03/chris-brunt-move-collapse-stopped-west-brom-domingos-quina-switch/

Slaven Bilic has revealed Albion decided against signing Domingos Quina on deadline day – while the head coach also outright rejected a bid for one of his players.

Just hours before the window closed on Friday, Baggies legend Chris Brunt looked set to leave the club for Stoke.

But the Express & Star understands that move collapsed after the Potters failed to offload Bruno Martins Indi.

Had Brunt moved on, Albion would have bolstered their ranks by signing Watford central midfielder Quina on loan – a player Bilic previously managed at West Ham.

Club captain Brunt was left out of the squad that secured a 2-0 win over Luton on Saturday, with Albion believing he should be rested following the dramatic events of the previous night.

And when speaking about the final hours of the window, Bilic revealed he also point-blank rejected a surprise bid for one of his players.

"Quina was an option but only if one of our players was leaving," the head coach said.

"There was a possibility that one of our players would go and one more.

"And for one I said okay, and the other I said no, no way.

"Then maybe we would have got Domingos.

"But because that transfer did not happen it would not be fair to player to bring him in but for him not to be involved as much as he deserves to be."
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on February 03, 2020, 05:31:46 PM
Interesting. I wonder who the other player that we had a bid for was, the one that SB said "No way" to.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnny Cash on February 03, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Interesting. I wonder who the other player that we had a bid for was, the one that SB said "No way" to.

My money would be On Harper
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smosher34 on February 03, 2020, 06:12:41 PM
Matty Philips to Brighton was a rumour flying about.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2020, 10:07:34 PM
Strange slant to take.
Do you have the same feelings about all the other players at the club who don't make the 1st team match day squad?
If there was an outpouring of emotional silliness for them then yes .
Brunt is the past, he’s been paid to do the job(which he really can’t now) so thanks and move on..
The money we pay him every week would have been better spent offering Ferguson more per week IMO .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wigmore on February 04, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
If there was an outpouring of emotional silliness for them then yes .
Brunt is the past, he’s been paid to do the job(which he really can’t now) so thanks and move on..
The money we pay him every week would have been better spent offering Ferguson more per week IMO .
Emotional silliness?
If expressing some attachment to a player who has been on a long journey with my club, then I'm in that category.
In comparison with some of the *****hawks who have worn (and disgraced) the stripes down the years, he is worthy of praise and affection.
Ironic that you want to throw money at a kid who has demonstrated, in the last 6 months, zero commitment to WBA.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: darbolina on February 04, 2020, 10:21:19 AM
Brunt will still have a positive impact on the squad for the next six months. Sometimes having players like Barry and Brunt can mean 
1) the younger ones or those from other countries understand the club better
2) players are able to turn to someone who has been there done it
3) if we need someone to come on to settle down the game and/ or take a set piece, i'm not sure who could fulfil that better than Brunt atm?
 
Keeping him for six months will help us in important but maybe not outwardly obvious ways I think
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
Apparently he nailed Keinan Davis, last night, so still doing a job and worth every penny!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wigmore on February 04, 2020, 10:59:04 AM
Apparently he nailed Keinan Davis, last night, so still doing a job and worth every penny!
It is being reported as a hamstring, but his participation, mentoring the kids, is a perfect example of why he is still worth keeping at the club.
No doubt heartless bean counters would disagree....
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
Glad he stayed and might be needed at sometime, I think he'll hang his boots up soon anyway and would prefer that than playing for bloody Stoke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 12, 2020, 09:22:35 AM
Seems he wanted the Stoke move. Mainly to play regularly, as he accepts that he is nowhere near the first team squad here, but also because of his good relationship with Michael O'Neill.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-transfers-brunt-west-brom-3829508

Hope he retires at the end of the season and has a testimonial game to allow the fans to say goodbye.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on February 12, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Seems he wanted the Stoke move. Mainly to play regularly, as he accepts that he is nowhere near the first team squad here, but also because of his good relationship with Michael O'Neill.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-transfers-brunt-west-brom-3829508

Hope he retires at the end of the season and has a testimonial game to allow the fans to say goodbye.

i am surprised that there has been no comments on this interview at all to be honest. but then again, that sums up his time here at the club IMO. Fantastic servant and been a great player for us but very under appreciated.

for at least 5 years now so many fans been calling to move him on and he has always been a regular in every managers team except Billic's.

i would still rather have him on the bench than Barry and Harper.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
No problem with any of what he said. He’s a class act who knows he’s not good enough for our team now, though he has looked ok in the cup games I thought. Hope he hasn’t lost an important opportunity and that he gets his move in the summer.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 12, 2020, 02:29:42 PM
No problem with any of what he said. He’s a class act who knows he’s not good enough for our team now, though he has looked ok in the cup games I thought. Hope he hasn’t lost an important opportunity and that he gets his move in the summer.

That was my reading of it too. I'd rather he didn't go anywhere else but if he does I'd wish him good luck. I'd prefer him to retire, but he'd be good for a mid/lower championship side for another 4 or 5 years or so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Astleistheking on February 12, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
Brunt is a top pro. Never moans when asked to fulfil any role, polite and never courts trouble. My lad did a football camp a few years back and Brunty and McCauley’s kids were both on it.
Brunt dropped his lad off a few times and was quite happy to have photos with my son and a bit of a chat with him. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on February 12, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
Someone on twitter organising a brunt day last home game.

Flag is in process of being organised etc
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Webby on March 03, 2020, 08:40:22 PM
And this is why this man is no where near out first team or match day squads anymore. League 1 awaits next season. Great servant but it's time to accept your level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 03, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
MAdness to give him a 2 year deal when he was already in decline but this is the Albion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on March 03, 2020, 09:16:04 PM
Over stayed by 2 years last time we see him tonight thank god time for the old timer to go
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on March 03, 2020, 09:25:47 PM
I'll miss the arm waving
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on March 03, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Had his time but how he started tonight is baffling bloke was and never will be a central midfielder
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on March 03, 2020, 10:08:38 PM
Should have gone a few seasons back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 03, 2020, 10:32:16 PM
Jacko & Dexy please don't waste your time and effort in defending Brunt, yes he has been a good servant but you have to acknowledge he is now past his sell by date and should be binned accordingly :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 03, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
The club need to sort his testimonial and hopefully he gets some minutes last game of the season so he gets a proper send off.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 03, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Jacko & Dexy please don't waste your time and effort in defending Brunt, yes he has been a good servant but you have to acknowledge he is now past his sell by date and should be binned according8ly :D
I'll post if I see fit thanks very much , love Brunty and I'll say playing him with Barry and the lumbersome Harper was Bilic's mistake .However father time has called on him now , certainly as seen against Premier teams and most likely top end of our league . Should go out on a good note , not this way  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on March 03, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
Tonight really showed where both he and Barry now are. I get no pleasure from saying it but they are finished now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 03, 2020, 11:12:53 PM
I'll post if I see fit thanks very much , love Brunty and I'll say playing him with Barry and the lumbersome Harper was Bilic's mistake .However father time has called on him now , certainly as seen against Premier teams and most likely top end of our league . Should go out on a good note , not this way  8)
Lumbersome Harper.....stop it , you cannot defend the indefensible , brunt has been a has been for at least two seasons...embarrassing tonight when he desperately tried to kick one of their players and still missed....he should hang his head in shame, stealing a wage from the club now and his legacy and respect diminish each time he plays .
But.....I will say, he can’t pick himself .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 04, 2020, 06:38:11 AM
I have the utmost of respect for Chris Brunt. Whenever he takes his final bow I will stand and applaud him on and off the pitch no question about it. Yet the idea of playing him in central midfield never really worked you might get away with it with 2 peak age all rounders in front of him but not the relatively inexperienced Harper and the even older and less mobile Barry that is something that was ill conceived and didn't turn out all that well.

I don't blame Bilic it might have been the least bad option he had. Should both Barry and Brunt be in the squad? Probably not. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2020, 07:16:52 AM
Lumbersome Harper.....stop it , you cannot defend the indefensible , brunt has been a has been for at least two seasons...embarrassing tonight when he desperately tried to kick one of their players and still missed....he should hang his head in shame, stealing a wage from the club now and his legacy and respect diminish each time he plays .
But.....I will say, he can’t pick himself .
Compare Krov's performance at West Ham to Harper last night in the same role with both Brunt and Barry behind.
If read my post I know Brunt's gone now , certainly as a CM.
Id sooner he be on the bench than Barry as he offers a bit more position wise  but both in reality are finished .
Stealing a wage ? Shame ? ..after all he's given us?
Miles off fella .
BTW we both agree Bilic picks them and up against a mobile Newcastle too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on March 04, 2020, 08:15:43 AM
Thanks for your years of service Chris
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 04, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
I'm surprised this stuff isn't in the Gareth Barry thread tbh. Brunt showed last night that he can't do it anymore, but Barry was even worse - the guy has nothing left in the tank at all, cost us 1 goal, and could have cost us more.

Brunt needs to move on, but Barry is completely finished.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 04, 2020, 09:48:54 AM
At one stage last night he tried to kick a guys legs out from under him from behind and couldn't even get close enough to do that. All felt quite sad watching the probable demise of a true legend
Thanks for the memories Chris
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on March 04, 2020, 09:55:28 AM
At one stage last night he tried to kick a guys legs out from under him from behind and couldn't even get close enough to do that. All felt quite sad watching the probable demise of a true legend
Thanks for the memories Chris

He should really have picked up a yellow, at least for that.  He spent the rest of the game just trying to foul the opposition.

Great player in his time and just about worth a place on the bench.  Would like to see him come on when we're cruising in a game and get the ovation he deserves though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on March 04, 2020, 10:10:31 AM
Sorry to say but Chris Brunt as had it now, so embarrassing to see him trying to trip the Newcastle player and miss cause he was too slow.

Thanks for the service Chris but time to move on now.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on March 04, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
Been a great servant but time catches up with us all.
Time to go Chris, take Barry and Charlie with you as well
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ashdoy on March 04, 2020, 11:04:38 AM
I hope the next time we see Brunt is to come on and lift the trophy at the end of the season, other than that i hope last night was his final proper appearance (with the exception of a farewell cameo).

As for Barry, anybody got a Taxi they can lend him for a few months until his contract expires?

You can be the most experienced player in the world, but once you lose your legs you may aswell give up. Shocking from both and i bet both woke up with thoughts of retirement in the summer. Wouldnt surprise me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 04, 2020, 11:09:50 AM
i have read that Brunt wants to carry on playing maybe at lower level i presume but last night was sad to watch.

however, in defense of him, he couldn't play CM at 25 never mind 35.

Hopefully he leaves on a high at the end of the season and comes on for the last 10 minutes to say good bye and lift the trophy.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on March 04, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
I'm surprised this stuff isn't in the Gareth Barry thread tbh. Brunt showed last night that he can't do it anymore, but Barry was even worse - the guy has nothing left in the tank at all, cost us 1 goal, and could have cost us more.

Brunt needs to move on, but Barry is completely finished.

I totaly agree
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tylerm on March 04, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
i have read that Brunt wants to carry on playing maybe at lower level i presume but last night was sad to watch.

however, in defense of him, he couldn't play CM at 25 never mind 35.

Hopefully he leaves on a high at the end of the season and comes on for the last 10 minutes to say good bye and lift the trophy.

I 100% agree. I think he will go to Stoke in the summer and work with them. They wanted him in January and he wanted to go.
He will probably play left back.
I would hate to see him stay and be set upon in any rate appearances by the fans.
Last night he really struggled but any player does who hasn’t played for months.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 04, 2020, 01:25:24 PM
Not going to slag him off as I've always been clear since Coventry away in a friendly under RDM that he is not a centre midfielder, last night I hope was the last game we see him start for us with the exception of the last game of the season if we are already up.

Been a great servant but should have been moved on a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on March 04, 2020, 01:25:30 PM
Didn’t help that Barry was along side and vice verse, also both cannot be match fit as they don’t play. I guess the West Ham game papered over cracks
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on March 04, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Just one final thought on Brunt (and Barry)….. Was it any in way due to lack of fitness having now played for many weeks??
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 04, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
WHU had Carlos Sanchez playing so we were a man up effectively.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 04, 2020, 09:08:37 PM
Been a great servant but time catches up with us all.
Time to go Chris, take Barry and Charlie with you as well
Time caught up....megged him and sprinted past
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2020, 09:49:08 PM
I do hope this club finally learns that football is a cruel game and it will continue to be a fact that time cannot be ignored, contracts in excess of 2years for over 30,s are plain stupid and awarding any contract for over 35's is a sackable offence. CB has been a very good servant and should not have his reputation sullied again, GB put on gardening leave now.  Charlie, God only knows what we do with him, loan to Walsall???
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 04, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
I do hope this club finally learns that football is a cruel game and it will continue to be a fact that time cannot be ignored, contracts in excess of 2years for over 30,s are plain stupid and awarding any contract for over 35's is a sackable offence. CB has been a very good servant and should not have his reputation sullied again, GB put on gardening leave now.  Charlie, God only knows what we do with him, loan to Walsall???

The killer combination is age and inactivity. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the most rapid rate of decline is when a player in their 30's does not play regularly and this is the case with Brunt. He was okay when he was playing regularly last season but now looks hopelessly off the pace.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2020, 08:43:54 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to post until now, but this is borderline slander after the Cup match. Brunt had a good game and if not for Gareth Barry we would probably have progressed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to post until now, but this is borderline slander after the Cup match. Brunt had a good game and if not for Gareth Barry we would probably have progressed.

Was this a behind closed doors game that the rest of the fans didn't get to see?

He was shocking along with Barry... although Barry was far worse and nearly made Brunt look like De Bruyne.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on March 15, 2020, 10:49:26 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to post until now, but this is borderline slander after the Cup match. Brunt had a good game and if not for Gareth Barry we would probably have progressed.

Oh my God. This is incredible. Brunt was absolutely awful. Totally so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 16, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
I haven't had the opportunity to post until now, but this is borderline slander after the Cup match. Brunt had a good game and if not for Gareth Barry we would probably have progressed.
He didn’t, but of the oap club he was the better of the 3
Barry was embarrassing that night
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 16, 2020, 12:51:13 PM
I'd be gutted if because of C19 Brunt never gets a final farewell on the pitch.  I had imagined us being champions and on the final day him coming on for the last 10 minutes to an absolutely incredible ovation.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 16, 2020, 01:06:15 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to post until now, but this is borderline slander after the Cup match. Brunt had a good game and if not for Gareth Barry we would probably have progressed.

I'm a massive fan of Brunt, and it's fair to say Barry was worse, but Brunt was awful. Just awful.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 16, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
I'm a massive fan of Brunt, and it's fair to say Barry was worse, but Brunt was awful. Just awful.
I blamed Bilic for risking both against a mobile Newcastle side , a world away from that West Ham side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on April 29, 2020, 10:06:22 PM
Brunty and his two lads have been helping out in sandwell delivering food parcels to the vulnerable. Fair play to him and his boys!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2020, 10:23:04 PM
Brunty and his two lads have been helping out in sandwell delivering food parcels to the vulnerable. Fair play to him and his boys!
Yes absolute great work ..
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on April 30, 2020, 11:16:39 AM
If you're going to pick somebody to deliver...he's the man.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on April 30, 2020, 02:30:25 PM
Good for Brunty. A proper clubman in the community. I hope Albion can find him a position at the club after he finally hangs his boots up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Foster#1 on April 30, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
He is a legend.

Shame when he moves on in a few months
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on May 02, 2020, 02:45:42 PM
He is a legend.

Shame when he moves on in a few months
Roll on that day.. Been at the club far to long probably 2/3 years to long
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on May 02, 2020, 02:58:21 PM
Roll on that day.. Been at the club far to long probably 2/3 years to long


TBF that is not Brunts fault though. The blame lies on the board. I'm not going to chastise him for taking one last, lucrative contract. I'd have done the same.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 02, 2020, 03:02:19 PM

TBF that is not Brunts fault though. The blame lies on the board. I'm not going to chastise him for taking one last, lucrative contract. I'd have done the same.
Agree, we as a club should have made the decision 2 years ago at least, but I have to say maximum respect for him for his gesture (and his sons) this week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Political Cake on June 04, 2020, 05:16:54 PM
It is confirmed that Chris Brunt's contract will be left to expire at the end of this season.



https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/brunty-to-depart-at-the-end-of-the-season/

Albion today confirm that club captain Chris Brunt will be leaving The Hawthorns at the end of the 2019/20 season when his current contract expires.

Chris’ departure will see the Northern Ireland international bring down the curtain on an acclaimed 13-year stay with the Baggies during which he has established himself as one of Albion's all-time greats.

As one of only 16 players to have made more than 400 appearances, Brunty also holds the record number of Premier League appearances (269) and wins (76) and is in the Premier League’s top 10 for assists (49).

He has won two promotions – and is hoping to add a club record third before his farewell – while his 24 goals in the Premier League is only bettered by Peter Odemwingie and James Morrison.

Chris’ contribution to Albion’s modern-day story has been immense but his first-team appearances have dwindled this season and following amicable talks with Sporting and Technical Director Luke Dowling this week, the club legend will be moving on when the current season is complete.

Chris has written his own farewell message to team-mates, staff and supporters but Chief Executive Mark Jenkins led the tributes from the Club.

Mark, who helped oversee the signing of Brunt from Sheffield Wednesday in the summer of 2007, said: “It’s the end of a long road during which we have all watched Chris become one of our great servants and players. I think it has been a great ‘marriage’ – Albion have been good for Chris and Chris has been good for Albion.

“In a perfect world, he would be able to say farewell at a packed Hawthorns and receive the ovation he deserves. Hopefully, we can see that happen at some future point.

“But for now, Chris should know he has the admiration and appreciation of everyone at the Club for his contribution.”

Luke added: “In one sense it was a difficult conversation to have with Chris because I knew we were saying goodbye to a genuine club legend.

“But it was also made easy by Chris’ professionalism and acceptance of the situation. In this day and age, to have stayed 13 years and logged more than 400 games, most of them at the highest level in the country, is astonishing.

“But football always moves on, Chris accepted that. He is disappointed not to have played more this season but he has not given up yet on making a contribution over these last nine games and has committed to finishing off the campaign doing everything he can to help us achieve our aims.”



https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/a-message-from-chris-brunt/

"It has been the honour of my career to have played for this great football club for the last 13 years but today I must begin saying goodbye.

Before I go any further I should make it clear that my entire focus over the next few weeks will be on doing everything in my power to get us back to the Premier League. To where this club and its fans belong.

Though it may not come as a massive surprise to many, I thought it best we clarify the situation now, before we begin playing the final nine games of the season. We cannot afford to have any distractions from our goal.

When I left Sheffield Wednesday to join Albion in 2007, it was a tough decision for me to make. I had finally settled in an area I liked and my wife Cathy and I had made some good friends. We’d also just found out we were expecting our first child, Charlie, who was due in May 2008, so we were nervous about upping sticks and moving to another new environment. We couldn’t have been made to feel more welcome at The Hawthorns, not just by the staff but also the supporters.

Fast forward 13 years and I find myself getting emotional as I write this statement thinking back over all the good times we have shared. From promotions under Tony Mowbray and Robbie Di Matteo to consistently holding our own in the Premier League under Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke, Tony Pulis and others.

There was, of course, the disappointment of two relegations, a defeat in the FA Cup semi-final, and losing out in the Play-Offs last season. But the highs - which include scoring goals to help us get promoted and win the Championship in 2008, becoming captain of this great club in 2011, and realising my dream as a young boy in Belfast of playing in the Premier League - have always far outweighed the lows. There are too many memories to mention from my 400-plus games and I will treasure them for the rest of my days.

To all the staff, both past and present, based at the training ground and the stadium, many of whom have been here longer than me, thank you all for everything you have done for myself and my family. Thank you to Richie Rawlins and the medical team for tirelessly helping me over the years, especially after my knee injury in 2016. Martin Swain, Ian Skidmore and the media team who have (most of the time) helped me say the right things!!! Jill Pearson for dealing with all my Amazon parcels and looking after myself, Cathy, Charlie and Zach. Jean Wright and all the staff in the canteen. I will miss you all very much.

To all the players I have had the pleasure of playing alongside, many of whom remain good friends, it’s been a privilege and I hope you have all enjoyed it as much as I have.

To all the coaching staff and managers thank you for everything you have taught me over these 13 years. I like to think I have given everything on the training field and in matches in return for all of your guidance.

A big thank you to my family and friends for their love and support in helping us settle into the area which will now forever be our home. It is appreciated more than you will ever know.

To my wife Cathy, and boys Charlie and Zach, for your love, support and patience over the years. I’m happy to have been able to share all these great times with you. And to my mum and dad, thank you for everything along the way, and for following my time at Albion so loyally.

Last but by no means least, to all the Baggies fans out there. Win, lose or draw you have always supported me and for that I will be forever grateful. Thank you for allowing me to become one of your own. Please know I will always regard this as my club. I wish I could go on forever here but sadly all good things must come to an end. Hopefully, when all is safe and well, I’ll be able to come to The Hawthorns to show my appreciation to you.

For now I will do all I can to help us get promoted to the Premier League and I’ll be ready if the manager needs me. After that, I hope, a new challenge awaits elsewhere. It will be strange to play for another club after all my years at Albion, but I still feel I have plenty to offer, and there’s a bit of football left in the tank yet!
All the best,
Brunty"
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on June 04, 2020, 05:20:04 PM
Right decision for me. Great servant but time to move on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: liverbaggie on June 04, 2020, 05:24:03 PM
Well played Brunty.
What a great left foot.
Second only to Sir Bobby Hope.
Good luck wherever you go,you'll always be welcome at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on June 04, 2020, 05:25:59 PM
I'm...not....crying...you are...and...Jacko is...  :'(

Lovely message from him and a fantastic servant to the club. I took a while to warm to him but eventually I really valued him. Cut from a rare cloth that man.

All the best Chrissy Brunt Brunt Brunt
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 04, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Poor decision.

Club legend. Well played Chrissy Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 04, 2020, 05:30:36 PM
All the best Brunty, an excellent servant to the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 04, 2020, 05:32:03 PM
Can't argue with the decision, its a big wage for someone who will not be a regular in the side.

I'm not always a fan of ex players being given jobs at the club but I do think he can offer a lot to young players but I do excpet him to move on to another club for a couple of years first.

Excellent servant (never a central midfielder though!!) and it is a shame he will not get the send off he deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on June 04, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
Can't argue with the decision, its a big wage for someone who will not be a regular in the side.

I'm not always a fan of ex players being given jobs at the club but I do think he can offer a lot to young players but I do excpet him to move on to another club for a couple of years first.

Excellent servant (never a central midfielder though!!) and it is a shame he will not get the send off he deserves.

Yep, all of this.  Definitely sounds like he still wants to play.  He'll probably end up at Stoke.  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 04, 2020, 05:42:24 PM
Poor decision.

Club legend. Well played Chrissy Brunt.

I agree it's a poor decision he should have gone at the end of last season! (joking!)

Think it's the right time for him to go. I imagine he'll end up at Stoke with Michael O'Neill.

As Oldbury says it's a shame we can't give him the send off he deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 04, 2020, 05:49:01 PM
Has been a tremendous servant for the club and sometimes under appreciated. It is great pity that we won't be able to give him the send off he so richly deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on June 04, 2020, 05:53:31 PM
Correct decision. Been here as a player a few years too long but thats not his fault and a fantastic servant overall. Wish him nothing but the best going forward.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on June 04, 2020, 05:59:46 PM
2years to late but good sevant
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on June 04, 2020, 06:05:41 PM
Thanks for the many great memories "Brunty" i hope you can find another club who will appreciate you services.
All the best & thanks again.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on June 04, 2020, 06:10:08 PM
I'm really saddened that Brunty will be leaving us.

He has been a fantastic servant to the club and a model professional throughout his time with us on and off the field of play.

The very best of luck Chris in whatever you choose to do in the future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on June 04, 2020, 06:13:35 PM
Gutted to hear this!

What a servant to the club and an ambassador for us.

Its the end of an era after Morrison went and now Brunty on his way aswell, with this in mind, perhaps its fitting. He helps us get promoted, and a new era starts where one ends

All the best Brunty and thank you
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 04, 2020, 06:14:43 PM
A fantastic servant to this football club. I think it will be years and years  until I watch another player pass 400 games for this club.

I am gutted he will not get the send off that he deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2020, 06:17:15 PM
Thanks Chris, well written piece. Good luck for the future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on June 04, 2020, 06:17:43 PM
Hopefully he can get a Ruel Fox type send-off on the final day and is subbed on for an applause, end of an era!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gerry m on June 04, 2020, 06:28:10 PM
Probably the correct decision. but surely they could have offered him a coaching role ala Mozza.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 04, 2020, 06:31:30 PM
Probably the correct decision. but surely they could have offered him a coaching role ala Mozza.

He seems to make it clear he wants to carry on playing though. Maybe in the future though once he's hung up his boots?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TLMS17 on June 04, 2020, 06:32:10 PM
Shame he’s moving on, but he has to move on eventually and I struggle to see a role for him in this team now

I think the only reason he’s not got a coaching role is, as he says he still feels he has plenty to offer, I would not be surprised to see him return one day in some capacity if he wishes to

Cheers for the memories Brunty and all the best going forward!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 04, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
Hopefully he can get a Ruel Fox type send-off on the final day and is subbed on for an applause, end of an era!

applause from who?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
Sorry to see you go Chris, wonderful servant.
Hopefully they find a position within the club for him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on June 04, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
Class act as a man. As a player he clearly had talent but I’m not convinced anyone really knew what his best position was. There were times though where his passing and crossing were sublime. Overtaken by age and the game I think.

Wish him the very best of luck and would love to have him back in some capacity in the future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 04, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Probably the correct decision. but surely they could have offered him a coaching role ala Mozza.
Maybe he doesn’t fancy coaching.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggie79 on June 04, 2020, 07:44:58 PM
Great person, great leader and Albion legend. I cant wait to give him the send off he deserves for his service. I'm not sure we will ever see another player with such a long service at the club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on June 04, 2020, 07:46:11 PM
Poor decision.

Club legend. Well played Chrissy Brunt.

 ;D Would you have given him another 5-year deal?

Great servant but he left the football pitch two years back.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kc56wba on June 04, 2020, 07:47:21 PM
Cant say I am sorry to see him go,  Thanks Chris, good luck wherever you end up.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 04, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
Probably the correct decision. but surely they could have offered him a coaching role ala Mozza.
How many would you like to have coaching roles?
Bob Taylor
Darren Bradley
Super Kev
Etc
Good players do not always make good coaches
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on June 04, 2020, 07:56:11 PM
Chris Brunt's message on the OS left me with a lump in the throat.  Enormous kudos for that, he clearly was massively respected at the football club and seems a genuinely nice man.  He also came across excellently recently with the zoom link up with the title winning players of 2007/08, you could see his leadership skills.  I'm sure that when he says he'll translate into a fan of this great club I genuinely believe him.

Football wise he was very very good for a few years, when he was young enough to still keep up with the pace of the premier league, was brilliant at passing at times, and delivery from a standing position.  For me the decline has been sharp in recent times and the fact he lacked a yard of pace has killed him at times, much the same it did for the likes of Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler earlier.

Not sure how you define a club legend, is it longevity, brilliance on the field, or a mix?  I think there's been a raft of more natural talented players to grace the blue and white stripes personally. 

I do wish CB all the best for the future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: jimmyj on June 04, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
 :( An absolute colossus of an Albion player.
Amazing that he's been here 13 years.

I dearly hope that when all this is over, we get to see the often-touted Brunt vs Morrison testimonial during an off-season. I bet it would pack the ground out and give a fitting farewell to two players who have epitomised Albion for much of my adult life.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on June 04, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Good luck Brunty quality signing by club when he arrived just a pity Albion never really pushed on got to cup final or Europe in his years down the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on June 04, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
A sad day.

Thanks Brunty for all the time and work you've put into our fantastic club. You've been magnificent with the fans helpful within the community and left everything on the pitch. The goals the assists the joy thanks for everything.

Captain, leader, legend
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on June 04, 2020, 11:15:16 PM
How many would you like to have coaching roles?
Bob Taylor
Darren Bradley
Super Kev
Etc
Good players do not always make good coaches

You have a point but I think Brunt genuinely could make it as a coach in the same way Fletcher probably will, I think they are quite similar in personality. Having said that I'm not sure with Mozza to be honest, I always felt he wasn't as dedicated as Brunt, albeit that isn't based on a whole lot.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 05, 2020, 02:25:52 AM
Well I knew it was coming but it still saddening.
420 odd games 80+ assists almost 50 goals. Scored the goal that got us up and won us the league. A long with jonas olsson and James Morrison was vital in establishing us a premier league side.

Deserves a testimonial a long with morrison and I hope he gets one. Scored some belters for us. Earned his legend status and will be sorely missed when gone possibly appreciated even more so.

Thanks for the memories brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 05, 2020, 07:15:02 AM
Not entirely sure where I stand on the ex-player as coach debate. On the one hand coaching and playing are two very different things and too frequently ex-players gravitate towards coaching in the absence of anything better to do. It doesn't mean they have an aptitude for it.

On the other hand if a player like Brunt wants to coach the club should at least consider giving him an opportunity to get a foot on the ladder after that it really is down to Chris Brunt the coach not Chris Brunt the player.

I have no idea if Chris Brunt would make a good coach or not.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on June 05, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
Not entirely sure where I stand on the ex-player as coach debate. On the one hand coaching and playing are two very different things and too frequently ex-players gravitate towards coaching in the absence of anything better to do. It doesn't mean they have an aptitude for it.

On the other hand if a player like Brunt wants to coach the club should at least consider giving him an opportunity to get a foot on the ladder after that it really is down to Chris Brunt the coach not Chris Brunt the player.

I have no idea if Chris Brunt would make a good coach or not.

Agree, often football makes emotional appointments, ex players as managers is the classic. Decisions on these roles should be made based upon record / experience / potential / qualifications.

That said CB wants to play on and if one day in the future he comes back as a competent person for whatever role, he should be given due consideration IMO
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on June 05, 2020, 11:20:24 AM
Thank you Chris Brunt. You have shown loyalty beyond measure in the modern day game. Unfortunately father time calls on all in professional sport at the highest level. I wish you the best in the future. There aren't that many you can say that about at any club anymore.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on June 05, 2020, 02:58:12 PM
Cheers for the memories Chris' and all of the very best in your future endeavours.

And don't forget to always, always SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 05, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
Threads like this bug me

Chris brunt has contributed much to West Brom over the period he has been contracted to us ,I do believe that there is more affinity between him and the badge/fans than others who have played for us
BUT
People talk about loyalty, do you really believe that if someone came in offering much improved terms he would have said no, he has been paid very well for his services ...
Some are saying he should be retained as a coach...absolutely not for me, it’s being said with too much emotion and nothing to back up and coaching prowess, in fact if he really did have an eye for tactics and managing...he would have known that he shouldn’t be anywhere near central midfield

Thank you...you are respected and goodbye
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on June 05, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
A great player and servant to the club.

Loads of happy memories but it is the right decision sadly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 06, 2020, 03:11:44 PM
Brunty is a club legend as far as I am concerned. Stayed committed to us for well over a decade and is probably the most under appreciated player I can think of.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on June 06, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
Fewer and fewer players can you say are club legends, but Chris is definitely one. 
He stuck with us through thick and thin and when he says Albion will always be his club, I'm sure he means it.
On his day he produced many decisive moments and he was so obvioulsy a team player.
He had a football brain and easily fitted into a team playing alongside Gera, Super Kev and of course Mozza.
I hope the club can offer him a leg-up  in some capacity once he hangs up his boots, to help repay him for what he has given to this club .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 06, 2020, 09:54:28 PM


Bloody loved having Brunty with us.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on June 10, 2020, 10:02:08 AM
"West Brom's Chris Brunt poised to make Stoke move"

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it didn't lead him into a coaching role under his old international boss, Michael O'Neil

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/06/10/west-broms-chris-brunt-poised-to-make-stoke-move/

Whatever happens good luck and best wishes Brunty!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2020, 10:20:21 AM
Will be interesting to see how he gets on at Stoke if that is where he ends up. As much as I like Chris Brunt I am really not sure how much he has left in the tank.  A one year deal plus an option seems a sensible arrangement. Having dumped Berahino, McClean and Fletcher in the potteries it will be novel having a former Baggie who I wish well turning out for Stoke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on June 10, 2020, 10:31:34 AM
Yep, all of this.  Definitely sounds like he still wants to play.  He'll probably end up at Stoke.  :D

knew it!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on June 10, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
To be honest, and with absolutely no criticism of the player he was, I see this as a really poor signing for Stoke. Way past his best so to I feel it will be yet another favour Stoke are doing to our club. We will see and of course I wish him well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2020, 01:03:53 PM
To be honest, and with absolutely no criticism of the player he was, I see this as a really poor signing for Stoke. Way past his best so to I feel it will be yet another favour Stoke are doing to our club. We will see and of course I wish him well.

I am not sure where Stoke are heading nor what O'Neil has in mind by signing Brunt but that squad is a god awful mess and just signing a good experienced pro might help them out. While Brunt has reached the end of the road with us I am hardly breathing a sigh of relief at his departure unlike the others
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on June 10, 2020, 01:34:40 PM
I am not sure where Stoke are heading nor what O'Neil has in mind by signing Brunt but that squad is a god awful mess and just signing a good experienced pro might help them out. While Brunt has reached the end of the road with us I am hardly breathing a sigh of relief at his departure unlike the others
Surely Stoke have enough "experience" already. Shawcross, Martens indy, Diouf, Joe Allen, McLean, Vokes, Chester, Batth, Federici, Afobe ......   quite why they are 3 points of relegation with so much "experience" is baffling TBH
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2020, 03:43:01 PM
Given the speed of the game these days even at Championship level Stoke probably have too much experience and not enough peak/youth already. It's hard to get away from the image of Brunt putting in crosses and free kicks for McAuley, Evans, Cathcart when playing under O'Neil for NI. If they buy him at the age of 35 I'd have thought it would be with this in mind which hardly seems a progressive step for them.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
I think O'Neill will dig Stoke out of trouble, Nathan Jones was a shocking manager.  McAuley and Evans were giants when O'Neill managed NI.  Steven Davis was good in midfield.  Their ball retention was appalling and set pieces were huge ala Pulis. 

Chris Brunt may be steady next season, he's just average Championship level now at best.  Kyle Lafferty next for O'Neill?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 04:21:24 PM
Brunty will be fine in midfield with legs around him (something we haven't got with Livermore), will be worth 10 goals from corners alone. Good signing for a poor poor team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on June 10, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
He'll be fine in League 1
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on June 10, 2020, 06:43:54 PM
Brunty will be fine in midfield with legs around him (something we haven't got with Livermore), will be worth 10 goals from corners alone. Good signing for a poor poor team.

Livermore has shown plenty of mobility and stamina this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 10, 2020, 07:01:39 PM
Brunty will be fine in midfield with legs around him (something we haven't got with Livermore), will be worth 10 goals from corners alone. Good signing for a poor poor team.
Keep em coming 😀
You did see dads army vs Newcastle ?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Keep em coming 😀
You did see dads army vs Newcastle ?

Would have won with any other player but Barry in the side.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on June 10, 2020, 07:40:24 PM
Would have won with any other player but Barry in the side.

Brunt.......fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on June 10, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
If Stoke want to waste their money and Brunt can get another payday for himself then that's a win-win situation.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2020, 07:57:31 PM
Brunt.......fixed that for you.

You obviously didn't watch it. Only one of the old boys legs has gone and it's not the one getting a new club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on June 10, 2020, 08:05:44 PM
You obviously didn't watch it. Only one of the old boys legs has gone and it's not the one getting a new club.

Obviously I did watch it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on June 10, 2020, 08:20:54 PM
That game had the worst midfield I think I’ve seen in the last 15 years or so. Completely overrun and past it. Neither player should be close to the team.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on June 10, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
Livermore has shown plenty of mobility and stamina this season.

He was exhausted having to be the only man in midfield when playing alongside Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 10, 2020, 08:33:09 PM
Equally mixed views over on the Oatcake too, I can only wish him well
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 10, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
Does put us in the strange position now of either wanting stoke to stay up, or seeing brunt in league 1
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2020, 09:32:55 PM
Surely Stoke have enough "experience" already. Shawcross, Martens indy, Diouf, Joe Allen, McLean, Vokes, Chester, Batth, Federici, Afobe ......   quite why they are 3 points of relegation with so much "experience" is baffling TBH

Yes went and looked at it properly there are a few out of contract e.g. Diouf but there are also players returning from loan like Kevin Wimmer who I had forgotten were there. It is a mess they are getting old and no doubt paid stupid amounts for the Championship. In an ideal world they could do with shipping out the bulk of the squad but that isn't going to happen.

Chris Brunt is not going to help that, I was being kind to a player I much admire. Yes no doubt he will pick up a pay cheque and I he won't phone it in which some of those already there have been doing for sometime now but he is not what they need.

 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on June 10, 2020, 11:58:11 PM
Brunty will be fine in midfield with legs around him (something we haven't got with Livermore), will be worth 10 goals from corners alone. Good signing for a poor poor team.

Look on the bright side. With him signing for Stoke it's closer for you than the roundtrip to the Hawthorns. If they have an early kick off you could be back up to Anfield in time to watch your other heroes later in the day whilst also saving on petrol. Absolute bonus  ;D .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on June 11, 2020, 12:12:48 AM
Look on the bright side. With him signing for Stoke it's closer for you than the roundtrip to the Hawthorns. If they have an early kick off you could be back up to Anfield in time to watch your other heroes later in the day whilst also saving on petrol. Absolute bonus  ;D .

Classic.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 11, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
Look on the bright side. With him signing for Stoke it's closer for you than the roundtrip to the Hawthorns. If they have an early kick off you could be back up to Anfield in time to watch your other heroes later in the day whilst also saving on petrol. Absolute bonus  ;D .

Now now Danny, you know my chauffeur would never facilitate a dream day out like that...  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 11, 2020, 10:15:37 AM
Brunty will be fine in midfield with legs around him (something we haven't got with Livermore), will be worth 10 goals from corners alone. Good signing for a poor poor team.

Never going to get 10 assists. Didn't he only manage 6 in the season we had Gayle and Rodriguez up front and he was taking corners.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 11, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
Never going to get 10 assists. Didn't he only manage 6 in the season we had Gayle and Rodriguez up front and he was taking corners.

Renowned headers of a ball.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 11, 2020, 10:51:17 AM
Renowned headers of a ball.

not all goals from corners are headers though.

granted NI under O'Neill did rely on set pieces a lot, a bit like a Pulis side. Haven't seen enough of Stoke under him to say whether they play the same way.

I'm still happy to say that Brunt won't get 10 assists for Stoke next season though...or did you mean 10 assists during his whole time at Stoke?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on June 11, 2020, 10:55:22 AM
not all goals from corners are headers though.

granted NI under O'Neill did rely on set pieces a lot, a bit like a Pulis side. Haven't seen enough of Stoke under him to say whether they play the same way.

I'm still happy to say that Brunt won't get 10 assists for Stoke next season though...or did you mean 10 assists during his whole time at Stoke?

I'm not sure that CB will get 10 full games next season !
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on June 11, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
Brunt has also become more prone to calf strains etc. in the last 2 or 3 years. There has to be doubt about how his body would hold up to regular starts next year, though I doubt he would be a regular starter.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on June 11, 2020, 12:27:55 PM
Chris Brunt wand of a left foot 35 years old. Best position discuss. Context O'Neil is going to be using a deep sitting block heavily dependent on set pieces for creating goal scoring opportunities. I'd go with Left Back and as Stephen Ward's contract expires at the end of the season that is about the only logical position that Brunt could occupy on a regular basis.

If I were a Stoke fan would I be overjoyed at the prospect? No, but they lapped up Pulisball, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on June 11, 2020, 12:41:49 PM
You obviously didn't watch it. Only one of the old boys legs has gone and it's not the one getting a new club.

I did... and you're wrong. Two guys it was painful to watch, not just one
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: timdon on June 11, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
What is it with Stoke buying our troublesome/past it players? I dread to think how much they have wasted on fees, wages, and signing on fees for the rubbish they have taken from us over the last decade. They seem to have some sort of fixation with us. Chris Brunt has been a key player for us, a great player at times, and a loyal servant. But he hasn't been able to produce any consistent form for us for quite a few years, has hardly played at all this season, is not match fit, and injuries seem to be an issue too. I honestly don't see at this stage of his career what he would bring to any Championship team with any ambition, but good luck to him if he manages to find one willing to pay him whatever he is asking for.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 11, 2020, 12:53:48 PM
I did... and you're wrong. Two guys it was painful to watch, not just one

I'm not.

The taxi driver cost us 2 goals, Brunt was neat and tidy, excellent on the ball and just needed a better player alongside him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on June 11, 2020, 12:59:53 PM
I'm not.

The taxi driver cost us 2 goals, Brunt was neat and tidy, excellent on the ball and just needed a better player alongside him.

Let's agree to disagree. Brunt was awful (as was Barry) We need to move on and I for one am delighted that we are doing so. And that is in no disrespect to previous performances, none of which have come in the last 2 seasons at least.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 11, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Let's agree to disagree. Brunt was awful (as was Barry) We need to move on and I for one am delighted that we are doing so. And that is in no disrespect to previous performances, none of which have come in the last 2 seasons at least.
Exactly
Should have gone 2 years ago....when his legs did 😀
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on June 11, 2020, 07:02:49 PM
It could be 2035 and Jacko would still want Brunt in midfield. Great servant for the club but he has been lucky enough to steal a living for the last two seasons with a lucrative contract well after his legs have gone, after being indulged by Moore. Now his mate managing Stoke is going to get him another pay day. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on July 18, 2020, 08:35:53 AM
Needs to be in now , at least against QPR and paired with Livermore.
See how that goes , Sawyers is woeful at the minute .
Brunt knows the ropes , is fresh and can unpick teams.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: kirk on July 18, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
Needs to be in now , at least against QPR and paired with Livermore.
See how that goes , Sawyers is woeful at the minute .
Brunt knows the ropes , is fresh and can unpick teams.

Phillips and hrk have both been awful yet the manager still picked them for a must win game
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on July 18, 2020, 09:36:49 AM
Phillips and hrk have both been awful yet the manager still picked them for a must win game
I know mate , called Phillips being picked 3 days before the game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
He's not the answer at central midfield but he can't be any worse than Sawyers has been post lockdown so he's at least worth trying there. He's not a natural there but at least his passing is relatively creative and he won't get caught thinking he can dribble at walking pace just outside our box 10 times a game.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on July 18, 2020, 10:02:02 AM
Play him left back with Barry taking over from Sawyers at this stage need leaders on pitch.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on July 18, 2020, 10:12:34 AM
Why not if Brentford get a result today. Why the hell not. We have come to that point.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on July 18, 2020, 10:29:37 AM
Severely underused since we've returned from lockdown.

His composure on the ball and calmness got us through that Hull game. The Blackburn game was screaming at him to calm proceedings and push us to get up the pitch to win the game. And I wouldn't have took Livermore off yesterday (Sawyers HAD to go - he lost the plot with his passing) but Brunt would have helped in that midfield.

Doubtful, but I hope he has one more big moment left in him.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on July 18, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
I think some severely under-estimate the ground that Sawyers covers to make himself available to receive and pop off passes which has been pretty integral to the way we've played this year. If you think Brunt can do the same at this stage then that's interesting.

Brunt may have been underused in terms of 15 or 20 minutes off the bench but not as a starting CM in what for the most part has been a two man midfield.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on July 18, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
I think some severely under-estimate the ground that Sawyers covers to make himself available to receive and pop off passes which has been pretty integral to the way we've played this year. If you think Brunt can do the same at this stage then that's interesting.

Brunt may have been underused in terms of 15 or 20 minutes off the bench but not as a starting CM in what for the most part has been a two man midfield.

I like Sawyers and he does some important work for the team. However, his form and nosedived even before lockdown. Yesterday, his passing - his main strength - was absolutely woeful. He lost the ball continuously in dangerous areas, setting them up for counter attacking opportunities. It only added to the panic. Just to add as well, when we needed to up the urgency, especially in the last 15, he slowed the play down with too many extra touches.

Everybody could see yesterday that although I wouldn't say Livermore was brilliant, we needed him to stay on the pitch. We had no bite, no leadership and no direction in that midfield battle when he went off and it cost us. Big time.

My point with Brunty wasn't necessarily that he should have started more over Sawyers; my point was that he should have been involved in times when his experience, calmness on the ball and leadership qualities were needed. I would also say that his more direct balls to the frontline would have helped us more yesterday.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 18, 2020, 01:08:41 PM
Brunt is not the answer to the centre midfield, never has been. The answer is to get some movement up top. Its no good sticking a bloke in who has hardly played all season with good reason.

I'd certainly play him at left back over Townsend though but he would need someone actually getting into the box to aim a cross at.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on July 18, 2020, 03:13:43 PM
Brunt is past it, but I really hope that we are able to bring him on with 5 mins left on Wed to see things out and give him the armband yo day farewell with another promotion.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on July 18, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Brunt is not the answer to the centre midfield, never has been. The answer is to get some movement up top. Its no good sticking a bloke in who has hardly played all season with good reason.

I'd certainly play him at left back over Townsend though but he would need someone actually getting into the box to aim a cross at.

Yup, words can't explain just how much trouble we make for ourselves by not having a mobile forward player.  Just watching the Stoke highlights, look at the room Berahma has at the start because the forwards have stretched the defence.  Imagine Periera having the much space.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 19, 2020, 01:14:44 AM
Back to 433 play brunt Livermore and krovi and get the job done
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on July 19, 2020, 02:09:51 AM
Back to 433 play brunt Livermore and krovi and get the job done
When was the last time Brunt started for us? Newcastle in the cup? I love the romanticism, but this isn’t the time for it. Put our best 11 out, have faith in the starting eleven which has got us to within one win of the Prem and let’s get the job done.

Bring Brunty on for the final 15 mins or so depending on how things are.

Huge fan of Brunty and all he’s done for the club, but this QPR game isn’t about him. It’s about getting our club back in Prem and saving us from a likely long stint in the Championship.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 19, 2020, 08:23:59 PM
When was the last time Brunt started for us? Newcastle in the cup? I love the romanticism, but this isn’t the time for it. Put our best 11 out, have faith in the starting eleven which has got us to within one win of the Prem and let’s get the job done.

Bring Brunty on for the final 15 mins or so depending on how things are.

Huge fan of Brunty and all he’s done for the club, but this QPR game isn’t about him. It’s about getting our club back in Prem and saving us from a likely long stint in the Championship.
Nail....head
Exactly my thoughts, it promotion or not....not the wand show
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on July 19, 2020, 08:31:24 PM
He should be nowhere near the starting 11, after his indiscipline in last season's play offs and his general lack of effectiveness.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2020, 08:43:17 PM
Not in the starting XI for me, sentiment can FRO for this moment in time.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
It's got nothing to do with sentiment, we were dreadful on Friday, Sawyers being particularly  poor.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2020, 08:51:12 PM
If were 4 up bring on in injury time so that he can bow out at the top.
Apart from that it's a no from me
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnnyg on July 19, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
I would start Brunty aT left back. Townsend has nosedived, Gibbs must be doubtful.
Brunty has a cool head, can pick a pass from left back, and will add to our ability to strike from set pieces.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 19, 2020, 09:09:07 PM
The only place he could play is LB and I wouldn't even play him there if we are going to play Grosicki who offers zero protection .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on July 19, 2020, 09:54:06 PM
I would start Brunty aT left back. Townsend has nosedived, Gibbs must be doubtful.
Brunty has a cool head, can pick a pass from left back, and will add to our ability to strike from set pieces.

I especially admired his cool head in the play off semi.

Masterful.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on July 19, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
Bench, 90+2 if we are 2 or 3 ahead, that's it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2020, 10:15:08 PM
It's got nothing to do with sentiment, we were dreadful on Friday, Sawyers being particularly  poor.

Don't disagree about Sawyers but there are others ahead of him for me. Only place i can see him is at LB if Gibbs is out. Townsend- no thanks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Evo_Baggies on July 19, 2020, 11:00:28 PM
If we've won the game and there's 20 left bring him on. No chance he should be starting.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2020, 11:01:27 PM
Don't disagree about Sawyers but there are others ahead of him for me. Only place i can see him is at LB if Gibbs is out. Townsend- no thanks.

Who? Please don't say Harper.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on July 19, 2020, 11:06:13 PM
Shouldn’t start in my view. Nothing wrong in using him late on to protect a lead, should we have one, but not nearly good enough to start.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Evo_Baggies on July 19, 2020, 11:09:32 PM
Who? Please don't say Harper.

Does this also include Barry!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2020, 11:13:06 PM
Does this also include Barry!

Not after Newcastle and not making a matchday 20 since lockdown no.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 20, 2020, 09:23:39 AM
Despite our panic ridden evening in Huddersfield, and all the aforementioned possible changes, surely match fitness is a factor that has to be considered.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on July 20, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Who? Please don't say Harper.

I'd have Krov linking it up and tell Livermore to sit and tackle. Not Harper.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on July 20, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
I'd have Krov linking it up and tell Livermore to sit and tackle. Not Harper.

Harper needs a season in the championship for club like Luton or Charlton.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: spencer Baggie on July 20, 2020, 12:52:04 PM
Those pointing back to last season's PO Semi final need to remember we needed Brunt the whole game and had no other options.

Playing Brunt from the start, knowing that at 60 mins we have decent replacements (that we didnt have last year) is a good option for me.

We were like terrified children last week. Brunt has the experience we need imo. Sawyers form has nosedived after the first half of the season and I'd bench him in favour of Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 20, 2020, 12:52:48 PM
Harper needs a season in the championship for club like Luton or Charlton.

I think at least one of those teams won't be in the championship next season! You are right though for his own development he needs to play regularly at Championship level. Somewhere like Sheff Wed or another mid-table side, rather than a side that struggles near the bottom.

As for Brunt, I hope we don't need him but I hope he can get some game time when the result is safe.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Adder on July 20, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Those pointing back to last season's PO Semi final need to remember we needed Brunt the whole game and had no other options.

Playing Brunt from the start, knowing that at 60 mins we have decent replacements (that we didnt have last year) is a good option for me.

We were like terrified children last week. Brunt has the experience we need imo. Sawyers form has nosedived after the first half of the season and I'd bench him in favour of Brunt.
Brunt hasn't started a game for how long ? Is he really going to be up to speed with the potential hustle and bustle of the first 30 minutes and up to continually making himself available for the ball the way Sawyers does ? Keep him for the last 15 or 20 minutes at most.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: mulliganstired on July 20, 2020, 02:48:05 PM
Harper needs a season in the championship for club like Luton or Charlton.
Or us, we aren't up yet  :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BalisPen on July 20, 2020, 02:49:17 PM
Or us, we aren't up yet  :-X

Didn't stop Field and Leko going to Charlton this season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: rhobbie on July 20, 2020, 04:31:15 PM
Love him or hate him you cannot take away the loyalty brunty has shown Albion over the last 11 years . I have shouted his name and danced in the isles when he’s scored his rocket of a free kick goals but also called him when he’s Skyed it from 6 yards or took a corner and it’s gone over to the opposite corner , but one thing I will say is Thank you Chris Brunt you are a true Albion legend .

I hope they give him some time on the pitch against QPR  even if it’s only the last five minutes .

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 20, 2020, 10:00:13 PM
Love him or hate him you cannot take away the loyalty brunty has shown Albion over the last 11 years . I have shouted his name and danced in the isles when he’s scored his rocket of a free kick goals but also called him when he’s Skyed it from 6 yards or took a corner and it’s gone over to the opposite corner , but one thing I will say is Thank you Chris Brunt you are a true Albion legend .

I hope they give him some time on the pitch against QPR  even if it’s only the last five minutes .
Loyalty at 30k per week?
I’ve been associated with the Albion longer than him, but not one of you buggers is trying to get me a game....and I’ve got some nice boots.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Evo_Baggies on July 20, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Loyalty at 30k per week?
I’ve been associated with the Albion longer than him, but not one of you buggers is trying to get me a game....and I’ve got some nice boots.

You probably have more legs than Barry
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on July 20, 2020, 10:42:49 PM
Loyalty at 30k per week?
I’ve been associated with the Albion longer than him, but not one of you buggers is trying to get me a game....and I’ve got some nice boots.

A very valid point even if made in jest. Oh and by the way his best pay packet with us was almost double that. Hard life innit?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 22, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
Now that's an interview. The real Captain Magnifico.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiebof on July 22, 2020, 10:19:28 PM
I love Chris Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on July 22, 2020, 10:20:53 PM
So long and thanks for everything Chris Brunt. A deal that worked superbly for all parties over the 13 years.

All the best at your next club.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: koren on July 22, 2020, 10:22:03 PM
Say goodbye to our great servant with a good ending (promotion).
Wish him all the best in the future.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on July 22, 2020, 10:22:46 PM
You are a real pro Brunty you've showed the youngster's the right way for them to go forward on & off the pitch. Thanks
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on July 22, 2020, 10:24:38 PM
Now that's an interview. The real Captain Magnifico.

Even his interviews are better than Jake’s  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 22, 2020, 10:46:07 PM
Now that's an interview. The real Captain Magnifico.

Got a link to it? had to pop out as soon as game finished
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 22, 2020, 10:47:17 PM
Got a link to it? had to pop out as soon as game finished

I'll have a look. Both gave brilliant interviews to be fair.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 22, 2020, 10:48:48 PM
Thought he was extremely good tonight ....I probably wouldn’t have put him on....but fair play he really did help those around him.
👏
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie82 on July 22, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
Nailed on to sign for Stoke and MON.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 22, 2020, 10:49:49 PM
Thought he was extremely good tonight ....I probably wouldn’t have put him on....but fair play he really did help those around him.
👏

Should have been in the team 2 weeks ago. Sawyers head completely gone.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on July 22, 2020, 10:50:37 PM
Good luck Chris Albion coach in making me thinks.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 22, 2020, 10:52:19 PM
Should have been in the team 2 weeks ago. Sawyers head completely gone.
Head or legs....I have seen sawyers at points play really well, recently I’ve also seen him dip off quite alarmingly in matches.
Some have mentioned with less games, more rest and slower pace in midfield the prem may work better for him...I’m not sure but I hope so.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 22, 2020, 10:55:56 PM
Head or legs....I have seen sawyers at points play really well, recently I’ve also seen him dip off quite alarmingly in matches.
Some have mentioned with less games, more rest and slower pace in midfield the prem may work better for him...I’m not sure but I hope so.

At his age I seriously hope it was his head.

He'll only be a success in the PL with a much much better player alongside him. In the Nzonzi mould as you often mention.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 22, 2020, 10:58:25 PM
At his age I seriously hope it was his head.

He'll only be a success in the PL with a much much better player alongside him. In the Nzonzi mould as you often mention.
Me too
Not sure we can be planning to play 433 which has helped cover players off days quite a bit .
It’s been a good night, but the work starts now, there is going to be a lot of big decisions that need to be made...I hope we take all of the emotion out of it.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on July 22, 2020, 11:05:36 PM
Very pleased that Brunty managed to get on and it was definitely on merit. What a club servant and Albion legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Baggies on July 22, 2020, 11:06:38 PM
2 good cameos to end his career here. A player who will ultimately go down as a modern club legend. Wish him well in his final years and hope to see him back here in some capacity eventually.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 23, 2020, 06:08:03 AM
2 good cameos to end his career here. A player who will ultimately go down as a modern club legend. Wish him well in his final years and hope to see him back here in some capacity eventually.

Criminally over played last season and under utilized this season. Probably made 10 appearances too few. there were games when he should have come on instead of harper or even played over sawyers

He saw his last game get his club back in the big time. His third promotion medal. Shame he didn't get his send off in front of a full stadium. I hope we get a chance down the line at a testimonial
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wappingbaggie on July 23, 2020, 06:39:40 AM
please does anyone have a link to his post match interview
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: boinging_along on July 23, 2020, 07:55:14 AM
please does anyone have a link to his post match interview

Jacko will.  He'll have watched it this morning.  Twice.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 23, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
I think we will have to accept that we will never have another Chris Brunt at this football club.

It is a crying shame that The Hawthorns was not able to give him the send off he deserves.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on July 23, 2020, 10:33:27 AM
Great servant to our club.  It is the right time to move on, but I would live to see him return to the coaching staff soon.  Thank-you Chris for the many many good times, your heart was always in it for us, and your passes at times were world class.  Whatever you do next the very best of look.  Given recent events, I could not begrudge you a good couple of years at Stoke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on July 23, 2020, 11:12:22 AM
Good luck to Brunty. He made a solid cameo last night; put in a wicked delivery and offered a good range of composure and passing. I still think that he has been underused in these last few weeks and was hoping and praying that he had one more magic moment in his locker.

Move to Stoke all looks done according to the rumours.

Good luck, Brunty - a great way to bow out.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on July 23, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
Chris Brunt, I salute you. The title Legend is not lost on you, you are a worth bearer of that accolade.

I thank you for you 13 years of endeavour, loyal and dedicated service and for the enjoyment you have consistently delivered to the Albion faithful in your time with us.

I wish you nothing less than success in wherever your future leads you, who knows, a Head Coach of your beloved Albion awaits you.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sie_davo on July 23, 2020, 11:31:55 AM

It is a crying shame that The Hawthorns was not able to give him the send off he deserves.
Fingers crossed we get drawn against Stoke in one of the cups at least.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 23, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
I'll have a look. Both gave brilliant interviews to be fair.

They did, didn't they. Brunty's farewell message that was posted on the site a bit ago was pure class, too.

I know Jake can have his moments, but I do think he has been a different player under Biliç.

As for Brunt, yes I will miss him - not just as a player but definitely for the attitude he brought to other players. Proper captain and a true Albion man; I wish him well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on July 23, 2020, 11:58:03 AM
Ah Chris Brunt capable of scoring a Free Kick or Whirldie capable of Missing from 6 yards but reliable servant none the less Wherever he ends up good luck to him He should have got a heroes send off from what I saw On Youtube and Social Media he did with Albion fans outside the ground but he needed 26 thousand Albion fans clapping him and Chanting his name 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Wigmore on July 26, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
If anybody thinks that all football players are cynical mercenaries, with little regard for the clubs they play for, I would ask them to watch the last two minutes of CB's final interview posted on the OS.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/july/brunty-bids-emotional-farewell/
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on July 26, 2020, 11:09:45 AM
Lovely interview, take care Brunty  8) .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: east-stand-nick on July 26, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
It's a travesty that his final game was in front of an empty stadium.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on July 26, 2020, 11:33:45 AM
Great video. Good luck to him. I’m certain we will see him back once he hangs up his boots.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on July 26, 2020, 11:45:14 AM
Blimey, I may have had some grit in my eye watching that. He really does care!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
Great interview. We will never see the likes of him again unfortunately.

I would state he was under used in those final few weeks of the season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2020, 11:58:02 AM
Great interview. We will never see the likes of him again unfortunately.

I would state he was under used in those final few weeks of the season.

Totally agree Liam. Also when we had that horrendous run of form he should have come into the team more.

He really deserved the full stadium there to send him off, I hope we get to make amends sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SirTonyM on July 26, 2020, 01:22:59 PM
Watched the interview and not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two. There is a lot said about footballers and what they do on the pitch. Brunty was class for us for a long time while he was here. Who people are and the character they display is so important too.
It’s easy for football to be transactional and dispensable, players use clubs and fans write off players. Every so often humanity and grace returns to football and we get a little glimpse of it.
Thank you Chris Brunt for how you conducted yourself while at the Albion.
You will be hugely missed.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: silver surfer on July 26, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
One of our all time greats and a smashing bloke as well.
Wonder if a testimonial is still on the cards.

In terms of affinity with the club he’s in the same boat as Bomber and Superbob.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tuamigos on July 26, 2020, 03:06:07 PM
Thanks Brunty for everything over the years.
Hope we get chance to thank him properly
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 26, 2020, 05:11:28 PM
One of our all time greats and a smashing bloke as well.
Wonder if a testimonial is still on the cards.

In terms of affinity with the club he’s in the same boat as Bomber and Superbob.

Agreed. Big Dave and The King as well.

THANK YOU BRUNTY - COME BACK AS PART OF THE STAFF ONE DAY.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 26, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
Just read that interview. Weeping like a jessie!!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: geoff on July 26, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
Just seen his interview on the Albion web site & i must say his feeling for the Baggies comes straight from his heart.
Thanks Brunty & i hope you have your wish to continue playing at a high level in the game comes true :) :) :) :) :).
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 26, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
rumour he's Joining Lincoln City?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on July 26, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
Hope we see him back at the club in some capacity. Albion legend.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on July 26, 2020, 10:45:01 PM
Certainly loves our club. It’s hard to watch without getting emotional yourself.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 26, 2020, 10:59:15 PM
The bloke is a club legend. Club men like this dont come aboutas often now. Criminally under utilized this season and deserved to bow out in front of a full house. I hope we sort out his testimonial when things are back to normal.

Captained the club. Took stick off some. Set up countless goals there was a time when if brunt was standing over a corner and gmac was lurking you almost expected a goal.

Some class goals. One at villa park in a horrible night. Scored a belter v yeovil in the cup and Barnsley away. Scored against the seals and the dingles played huge part in historic wins against both.

Very much my hero I was gutted when he said he was leaving but it had to happen one day. I raise a glass to him just need the club to do the right thing
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: MarkW on July 27, 2020, 10:09:38 AM
Just want to say the club approached both Morrison and Brunt about a testimonial but the players themselves were unsure. You see in Brunt's interview, he says he doesn't like the spotlight on him. So if it doesn't happen, don't blame the club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on July 27, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Remember Chris going around the ground in one of the seasons we got relegated.  He had tears in his eyes then and was really good with my lad who was quite small at the time.  I will miss him, great heart, great character. Love to see him back on the coaching staff, but for the moment good luck Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on July 30, 2020, 06:18:55 PM
That is a fantastic interview and the final minute is heartwarming to see - great to know that their is heart left in football and you wonder if any of the current crop will go on to be such baggies legends or who the next may be to join and become etched in our folklore. Livermore 3 years, Phillips 4 but they won't get close to Brunty status

Sawyers could potentially - he's the only i see of our current lot that could go down in history.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBaggieMan on July 30, 2020, 07:18:16 PM

Chris Brunt - Baggie Legend.

No taxi for Brunty but a stretched limo with left-hand drive.

Best of luck to him although I have a feeling that, emulating Mozza, he will eventually return to The Hawthorns in some valued capacity.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: frazzle on August 22, 2020, 07:05:18 AM
Unless I’ve missed it how come he’s not found a club yet? Are the championship teams in pre season yet, if so he should be with a team by now surely? Thought he was nailed on for Stoke?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on August 22, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Would not surprise me if we re-sign him as player/coach. Probably class it as a new signing knowing Albion. :-X
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 22, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Unless I’ve missed it how come he’s not found a club yet? Are the championship teams in pre season yet, if so he should be with a team by now surely? Thought he was nailed on for Stoke?

We might need to resign him if we can’t get any bodies in  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 22, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
We might need to resign him if we can’t get any bodies in  :D

Please no, Liam, we can't even give him away.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on August 22, 2020, 10:43:34 AM
I wonder is there a coaching role with Mozza available, good servants but there's a reason they have been with us for so long.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on August 22, 2020, 10:48:46 AM
It is a little surprising that Brunt hasn't rocked up at Stoke given everyone put two and two together following the January deal which broke down.

I am not altogether surprised that he hasn't found a club. He wants to remain in the midlands which does narrow the field a little, but the bigger problem is that Championship clubs have very little money and even on a free Brunt won't be cheap even if he took a significant wage cut.

And just for the record no we have said our goodbyes that is an end to it.   
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on August 22, 2020, 01:16:38 PM
I doubt that Stoke, like most clubs at that level, are rolling in money at the moment. He is a talented player, but think he will have to accept a fair drop in wages. 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KN22 on August 22, 2020, 02:16:11 PM
He will get fixed up provided he is flexible with wages which he can certainly afford to be. We shouldn’t even consider him and I don’t think we will.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
I wonder is there a coaching role with Mozza available, good servants but there's a reason they have been with us for so long.
Yeah...doesn’t matter if they can actually coach or not...let’s run the place on sentiment .
Let’s get Liwall,Donovan,Hunt and Bradley back as well ...make positions for all of em .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 22, 2020, 03:08:41 PM
Yeah...doesn’t matter if they can actually coach or not...let’s run the place on sentiment .
Let’s get Liwall,Donovan,Hunt and Bradley back as well ...make positions for all of em .
I get what you're saying, but Brunt has done coaching before while still a player. he's had his badges for years too.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheBaggieMan on August 22, 2020, 03:45:31 PM
I doubt that Stoke, like most clubs at that level, are rolling in money at the moment. He is a talented player, but think he will have to accept a fair drop in wages.

Stoke are owned by the Coates family who also own BET365 which is very profitable making many millions and run by Denise Coates thus, unlike us, money is not a major issue other than the Financial Fair Play rules.

Perhaps they could take HRK, Zohore, Phillips and Burke off our hands although they may be more cautious of the Mighty Baggies given their experiences with Berahino, Fletcher and that Irish fellah, James McClean when we dumped them on Stoke.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 22, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
Yeah...doesn’t matter if they can actually coach or not...let’s run the place on sentiment .
Let’s get Liwall,Donovan,Hunt and Bradley back as well ...make positions for all of em .
Made me laugh mate, but don't worry .....if Slaven walks...... heaven help us, Mozza and Brunty to the rescue.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2020, 07:51:10 PM
Made me laugh mate, but don't worry .....if Slaven walks...... heaven help us, Mozza and Brunty to the rescue.
I just wish people would realise that because they wore the shirt, it doesn’t necessarily mean they should stay on the payroll.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on August 22, 2020, 08:42:26 PM
I just wish people would realise that because they wore the shirt, it doesn’t necessarily mean they should stay on the payroll.
Alot of albion fans are sentimental they will be calling for brunt to be manager for the next 10years...the club needs good coaches not just ex players
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on September 07, 2020, 07:39:32 PM
Albion legend Chris Brunt has signed for Bristol City. #wba

Best of luck Brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 07, 2020, 07:47:42 PM
Best of luck Brunty!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on September 07, 2020, 07:48:23 PM
Oh yes not wasting money on our bench now.... City can have his arm waving and slow legs
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 07, 2020, 07:56:04 PM
Oh yes not wasting money on our bench now.... City can have his arm waving and slow legs
And we wait.....😂
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
And we wait.....😂


Cricket practice tonight........................ :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2020, 08:38:04 PM
Good luck CB
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Pie on September 07, 2020, 08:56:57 PM
Good luck Brunty! Crazy to think back to that first season with us when he scored the goal vs Saints to get us promoted, one of my fave Albion memories
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: CL3MO on September 07, 2020, 09:19:19 PM
Great move for Brunty. Hope he does well!

I’d say Keith Downing had something to do with that move.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on September 07, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
Oh yes not wasting money on our bench now.... City can have his arm waving and slow legs
Deserves a better send off than that. Gave fantastic service to this club and stuck with us through thick and thin. Good luck Brunty! 
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 07, 2020, 09:58:44 PM

Cricket practice tonight........................ :D

😂😂😂...that bat will be swinging for sure

I saw the video of him being unveiled in the Bristol shirt....looks like a kid who’s mom made him have his photo took...not happy .
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on September 07, 2020, 10:08:49 PM
I wish him well but I think he should of retired here.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on September 07, 2020, 10:11:13 PM
I wish him well but I think he should of retired here.

I thought he had ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Westie on September 07, 2020, 10:15:30 PM
Oh yes not wasting money on our bench now.... City can have his arm waving and slow legs

Unpleasant post, that.

Chris has been a great servant of this Club and deserves our thanks and best wishes.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on September 07, 2020, 10:18:48 PM
I thought he had ;D

True but can't help feel he's going to be a damp squib  at Bristol. Should of retired on a high and gone into coaching.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 07, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
True but can't help feel he's going to be a damp squid  at Bristol. Should of retired on a high and gone into coaching.
squib mate, it's a damp squib.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wba1993dave on September 07, 2020, 10:30:39 PM
squib mate, it's a damp squib.

 :D whoops bloody auto correct.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: skyclad99 on September 07, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
Unpleasant post, that.

Chris has been a great servant of this Club and deserves our thanks and best wishes.

Agreed

Brunty is a legend who still has a lot to offer. The Bristol players will learn a lot from him and I wish him all the best.

Late night at the cricket club I guess.....😂
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2020, 11:42:20 PM
Agreed

Brunty is a legend who still has a lot to offer. The Bristol players will learn a lot from him and I wish him all the best.

Late night at the cricket club I guess.....😂

Quite literally no point responding to a person who knows nothing about the game. Brunty is trending on Twitter tonight because of the warm wishes from our great fans. He's a legend, and a superb signing for Bristol City.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: tommcneill on September 07, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
Great move by Bristol City.

Legend here so good luck to him
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 08, 2020, 09:20:32 AM
Quite literally no point responding to a person who knows nothing about the game. Brunty is trending on Twitter tonight because of the warm wishes from our great fans. He's a legend, and a superb signing for Bristol City.
How was the cricket practice ? 😀

I see both sides to the conversation,he was a large contributor to the team/club across many years,he was kept 2 years too many IMO .
Wish him all the best but he didn’t look happy did he ?

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: sammyg on March 11, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Welcome back Brunty, rejoined as a coach for the academy
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2021, 05:30:49 PM
Welcome back Brunty, rejoined as a coach for the academy

YESSSSSS 🤩🥳🥳
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 11, 2021, 05:38:23 PM
Welcome back Brunty, rejoined as a coach for the academy
should’ve done that in the first place.. none of that Bristol malarkey.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2021, 05:53:31 PM
Just Appy to roll up now then
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: smethwickw on March 11, 2021, 05:55:03 PM
Just Appy to roll up now then

Jobs for the boys.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 11, 2021, 05:59:55 PM
Can already see the more sentimental mob calling for him to be first team coach for the start of the 2021-22 season.

Welcome back Chris.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on March 11, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
Well he always seemed to have the temperament to do management/coaching and I thought there'd be a natural progression without leaving the club but that didn't happen and he had a foray to Bristol.

Has he announced retirement from playing...?

He and Morrison are proper Baggies boys now!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
We never learn, oh I forgot this is the backup team to step in after Allardyces  successor is sacked.
Bloody hell he thinks of everything dow he,  that Dowling, and some say we ay gor a plan!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 11, 2021, 06:46:36 PM
Has he got 5 mins to show a few how to take corners ? ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2021, 06:52:01 PM
Can already see the more sentimental mob calling for him to be first team coach for the start of the 2021-22 season.

Welcome back Chris.

I predict the shouts for Appleton as manager, McInnes his assistant with Brunt/Morrison first team coaches or any other combination of the 4  :D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on March 11, 2021, 06:52:50 PM
I predict the shouts for Appleton as manager, McInnes his assistant with Brunt/Morrison first team coaches or any other combination of the 4  :D
Midfield coach......... :-* 8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
Midfield coach......... :-* 8)

Wide midfielders then yep  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: gazberg on March 11, 2021, 07:01:09 PM
I predict the shouts for Appleton as manager, McInnes his assistant with Brunt/Morrison first team coaches or any other combination of the 4  :D

Thing is, knowing Albion fans, they will be deadly serious  ;D We never learn.

Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on March 11, 2021, 07:04:53 PM
Has he got 5 mins to show a few how to take corners ? ;D
Can teach people how to throw arms in the air aswell.. Another sentimental move but doesn't make him a decent coach.. Filling the club with all ex players... And not qualified coaches will end badly
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KYA on March 11, 2021, 07:06:10 PM
Pleased for Brunty he has all the credentials to do well as a coach.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: johnny Cash on March 11, 2021, 07:16:57 PM
Dowling is quoted as saying ‘in Chris Brunt we have a professional who himself played academy football’.   Wouldn’t 99% of ex players?

I don’t mind giving starting roles to players like Brunt and Morrison, who obviously proved themselves as solid pros over the years.

I don’t agree with repeatedly putting appoleton back on the payroll every time he’s needs a job and I’m less sure of roles for players like Myhill who was happy to be a career two, I’m not sure that’s as wise but he could still be a great coach.

Surely we do need some input from people who’ve been elsewhere though and had different experiences.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
Dowling is quoted as saying ‘in Chris Brunt we have a professional who himself played academy football’.   Wouldn’t 99% of ex players?

I don’t mind giving starting roles to players like Brunt and Morrison, who obviously proved themselves as solid pros over the years.

I don’t agree with repeatedly putting appoleton back on the payroll every time he’s needs a job and I’m less sure of roles for players like Myhill who was happy to be a career two, I’m not sure that’s as wise but he could still be a great coach.

Surely we do need some input from people who’ve been elsewhere though and had different experiences.
Now there's a novel idea Johnny, but it will never catch on.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2021, 07:24:03 PM
If the criteria is " must be an ex-player ", get Enzo in and stop messing abaht.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: WBArgo on March 11, 2021, 07:28:39 PM
I'm pleased by this. Brunt was a model professional so will be a good influence to the kids...he seems more humbled than a lot of modern footballers too. With that in mind I don't see it as jobs for the boys like some are saying.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2021, 07:34:42 PM
Dowling is quoted as saying ‘in Chris Brunt we have a professional who himself played academy football’.   Wouldn’t 99% of ex players?

I don’t mind giving starting roles to players like Brunt and Morrison, who obviously proved themselves as solid pros over the years.

I don’t agree with repeatedly putting appoleton back on the payroll every time he’s needs a job and I’m less sure of roles for players like Myhill who was happy to be a career two, I’m not sure that’s as wise but he could still be a great coach.


Surely we do need some input from people who’ve been elsewhere though and had different experiences.

A bit like saying he was a professional and kicked a ball ! jesus, think before opening mouth is a pretty decent maxim Mr Dowling!
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
If he hasn't retired, get him fit and give him a playing contract to the end of the season!!

Ole Ole!!

 ;)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2021, 07:52:00 PM
YESSSSSS 🤩🥳🥳

'Chris is particularly looking forward to working with next season's young, progressive and attacking first team coach as he returns for his third stint at the Hawthorns. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you Ron Atkinson'.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Standaman on March 11, 2021, 09:24:51 PM
I don't care whether a coach has played for the club or not it simply does not matter it makes no difference. Equally it does not matter at what level a coach has played although there is some evidence that great players do not always make great coaches.

Chris Brunt is now a coach toward the bottom end of the coaching ladder he is not Chris Brunt the player it is now what he does as a coach that matters just as it was with Darren Moore.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
Welcome Home Chris Brunt and if you turn out to be as good a coach as you were player, that'll do for me
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: KYA on March 12, 2021, 08:12:40 AM
Graeme Jones had a decent track record how well did he do here?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2021, 08:30:18 AM
I don't think it's unreasonable to let Chris Brunt develop his coaching skills with WBA Academy

In return, he will be able to pass on his own experiences of game management to our development players.

Seems like a win-win to me.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2021, 09:02:15 AM
First job should be working with Pereira on corners!

Could go either way with Brunty. He no doubt has a great love for the club and was incredibly loyal, which may serve the youngsters well when their heads get turned!

He always struck me as a bit temperamental though and, especially in his latter years, his head dropped at times when things didn't go our way. Only borne out of passion though so, hopefully, he can get that passion instilled in the kids.

Well deserved, hope he does well.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2021, 09:21:36 AM
I felt for a couple of years that there was a clique of players with too much "influence' at the club, I would have thought (absolutely zero evidence) that Mozza and Brunty were members if not leaders of that clique, there have been hints from a couple of ex players that those outside the clique could find life difficult, lets hope that we are not seeing that pattern repeat itself. (if true).   And yes, i do accept that cliques / bands of brothers exist in all walks of life, they can often be very divisive I feel.

been thinking about this a bit and i suppose the counter argument is the Liverpool bootroom of Shanks/ MUFC old boys success of SAF, Lets hope its the latter and not a divisive clique.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 12, 2021, 09:41:12 AM
I'm pleased by this. Brunt was a model professional so will be a good influence to the kids...he seems more humbled than a lot of modern footballers too. With that in mind I don't see it as jobs for the boys like some are saying.

Has to be a positive, getting people of his calibre around the youngsters.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2021, 11:05:46 AM
I presume he's doing or done his coaching badges? Hope this isn't an old boys club?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 12, 2021, 11:23:29 AM
I presume he's doing or done his coaching badges? Hope this isn't an old boys club?
Brunt’s had his badges for years. Plus, from what I’ve been told, the 4 who have been given coaching roles in recent years (Brunt, Morrison, Myhill and Fletcher) all used to do work with the academy when they were players so it’s not a massive leap to have offered them positions at the club they already had some experience with.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 12, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to let Chris Brunt develop his coaching skills with WBA Academy

In return, he will be able to pass on his own experiences of game management to our development players.

Seems like a win-win to me.

Most balanced post on this item. I see nothing wrong in the appointment, like anyone he has everything to prove, but if he meets the task with the same passion as he did playing, excellent. We'll see won't we.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 12, 2021, 07:00:16 PM
If he hasn't retired, get him fit and give him a playing contract to the end of the season!!

Ole Ole!!

 ;)
He won’t get in ahead of pogba and Fred
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on March 12, 2021, 07:00:30 PM
I presume he's doing or done his coaching badges? Hope this isn't an old boys club?

It is looking like jobs for the boys, I still think there is a place in our set up for Super Bob. Not that many of today’s players would know of him though.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 12, 2021, 07:02:38 PM
It is looking like jobs for the boys, I still think there is a place in our set up for Super Bob. Not that many of today’s players would know of him though.
Why....what qualification does he have

Let’s have skinner and Clapton on the board
Lenny henry director of football
James Quinn and Bernard mcnally in charge of the club shop
And Fabian defreitus in charge of the digital clock
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: BB74 on March 12, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
Why....what qualification does he have

Let’s have skinner and Clapton on the board
Lenny henry director of football
James Quinn and Bernard mcnally in charge of the club shop
And Fabian defreitus in charge of the digital clock

What qualifications does anyone have when starting out?

But yes more the merrier! If we’re having a job for the boys culture let’s do it properly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie53 on March 12, 2021, 07:10:43 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to let Chris Brunt develop his coaching skills with WBA Academy

In return, he will be able to pass on his own experiences of game management to our development players.

Seems like a win-win to me.

A good player in his day, but game management wasn't a strength, unless you mean last ditch tackles to give away last minute free kicks on the edge of our box
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 12, 2021, 07:12:09 PM
What qualifications do anyone starting out in anything?

But yes more the merrier! If we’re having a job for the boys culture let’s do it properly.
😂
I just think that people like ex players, need to cut their teeth in the lower divisions first.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: albion59 on March 12, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
Just don't get this love in for Brunt never have never will.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on March 12, 2021, 09:52:26 PM
I feel as if Dowling must sit there and gaze hopelessly out of his office window at the clubs training ground thinking over and over in his head "We are losing the fans and its a bit grim at the minute what can we do to lighten the mood? Appoint a popular former player!" it stinks of jobs for the boys. That's Boaz Myhill, James Morrison and Chris Brunt now and fans want scharner around the place because he had a passionate rant about how other clubs do it overseas and applied it to us on a podcast? Mental.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2021, 10:29:38 PM
From Luke Dowling

Quote
“For Boaz and James it was important for them to test the water to see if coaching was for them and we’re delighted with the progress they have made in a relatively short period. 

“This is a similar opportunity for Chris to ensure coaching is the next step for him and we’re confident his wealth of knowledge of this football club, in particular, will benefit both parties as he makes the transition from player to coach.


Not sure I can see what's wrong with that.

It must be really difficult to make the transition when your professional career is over.
Giving an ex player a helping hand has to be a positive act doesn't it?
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 12, 2021, 11:13:06 PM
From Luke Dowling


Not sure I can see what's wrong with that.

It must be really difficult to make the transition when your professional career is over.
Giving an ex player a helping hand has to be a positive act doesn't it?
It can be a negative act if there are better options available.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on March 12, 2021, 11:29:33 PM
Might be good, might be brilliant, might be bad, might be disastrous, Not one of us knows at the moment, so what about giving the guy a go? Just do not get the trend on here for the negativity, even hatred aimed at West Brom Players and ex players.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on March 13, 2021, 01:10:15 AM
Might be good, might be brilliant, might be bad, might be disastrous, Not one of us knows at the moment, so what about giving the guy a go? Just do not get the trend on here for the negativity, even hatred aimed at West Brom Players and ex players.

Its not hatred towards ex West brom players it's questioning the methods. I couldn't care less who they last played for whether it be us or another club. I want the best options we can attract who are the most qualified for the job. There's no loyalty in this game I'm sorry but if Brunt was an option but there's somebody more experienced who can improve us ijn someway better than Brunt can then you take the more experienced option that isn't chris Brunt.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggiejohn on March 13, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
He's come in as an assistant to the PL2 Coach, IMO, we're not likely to get much better than CB at that level.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on March 13, 2021, 11:01:23 AM
With Allardyce not likely to opt for spell in Championship I see Dowling is setting up his dream team Jimmy and Chris to lead us into new season.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: alex1 on March 13, 2021, 12:45:50 PM
I liked Chris as a player and loyalty to the club is important in galvinising team spirit. I think his experience will be useful for our youngsters, especially all the little titbits you learn  through playing at the highest level.

I don't know what Chris' overall philosophy about the game is, how good he is at reading tactical situations in a game. I think that is vital if you are going to go on and become a manager, but in his current job, it may not be so important. Unless he takes full responsibility for one of the teams, he will basically have to be singing from the same  hymnsheet.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wodenson46 on March 13, 2021, 02:03:34 PM
Its not hatred towards ex West brom players it's questioning the methods. I couldn't care less who they last played for whether it be us or another club. I want the best options we can attract who are the most qualified for the job. There's no loyalty in this game I'm sorry but if Brunt was an option but there's somebody more experienced who can improve us ijn someway better than Brunt can then you take the more experienced option that isn't chris Brunt.

OK take your point, not really hatred but certainly a tendency among some of our posters and indeed our wider fan base to be hypercritical towards the club and pretty much anything they do.

I would also wish for always getting the best option for the club, from the owner to the lowest paid, or even the least important in the hierarchy of WBA. What I do not wish to  see is condemnation without trial. I do not myself know whether or not Chris Brunt is the best fit, but would appreciate your own list of better options, allowing discussion by other members of the forum
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: lewisant on March 13, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
I think now would be a good time to point out that the Head Coach of the Under 23s, that Chris Brunt will be working under, is Deon Burton. He has no previous playing links to the club.

Just here to provide a bit of balance.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2021, 03:12:44 PM
I think now would be a good time to point out that the Head Coach of the Under 23s, that Chris Brunt will be working under, is Deon Burton. He has no previous playing links to the club.

Just here to provide a bit of balance.

Deon Burton ➡️ Burton Albion ➡️ West Bromwich Albion.

Coincidence. I think not  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: AlbionFan on May 28, 2021, 05:05:16 PM
Chris Brunt has announced his retirement from playing professional football.

Legend
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on May 28, 2021, 05:23:45 PM
Chris Brunt has announced his retirement from playing professional football.

Legend

Modern day legend in every sense of the word. I hope he has a long career with us on the coaching set up. What a great role model for the kids. Stayed loyal to one club genuinely cared and never kicked up a fuss just cracked on with his job. A rarity these days sadly.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on May 28, 2021, 05:53:04 PM
Happy retirement Brunty
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Dexy on May 28, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Premier League hall of fame  8)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on May 28, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
Premier League hall of fame  8)

44th for all time premier league assists 💪🏻
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 28, 2021, 07:02:52 PM
Now i want the morrison v brunt testimonial  game to happen.
What a servant to our club
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: telford baggie on May 28, 2021, 07:11:42 PM
Shud have retired years ago when his legs went instead of been sat on the bench for 3 years picking up a wage.its ok adding all these ex players in coaching positions but not adding any experience at all is a recipe for disaster.no wonder academy isn't any good anymore
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: baggie38 on May 28, 2021, 07:22:25 PM
Shud have retired years ago when his legs went instead of been sat on the bench for 3 years picking up a wage.its ok adding all these ex players in coaching positions but not adding any experience at all is a recipe for disaster.no wonder academy isn't any good anymore

But on a more positive note! Happy retirement brunty!  :P
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Throstletown on May 28, 2021, 07:26:24 PM
Absolute legend lasted how long elsewhere before coming back to the trough.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: wbasoprano on May 28, 2021, 07:27:53 PM
Shud have retired years ago when his legs went instead of been sat on the bench for 3 years picking up a wage.its ok adding all these ex players in coaching positions but not adding any experience at all is a recipe for disaster.no wonder academy isn't any good anymore

Yeah it's all Brunts fault
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 28, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Its not hatred towards ex West brom players it's questioning the methods. I couldn't care less who they last played for whether it be us or another club. I want the best options we can attract who are the most qualified for the job. There's no loyalty in this game I'm sorry but if Brunt was an option but there's somebody more experienced who can improve us ijn someway better than Brunt can then you take the more experienced option that isn't chris Brunt.

I’ll take Brunty and Mozza any day of the week.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 29, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
I’ll take Brunty and Mozza any day of the week.
Feel free
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 29, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Be intersting to see what Chris philosophy of the game is having played for Mowbray and Pulis in his time with us
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2021, 03:04:23 PM
To be honest I assumed he'd retired when he took the coaching job with us.

Hope he has a very successful coaching career with us (or wherever.. when/if he eventually moves on)
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: paulosull on May 29, 2021, 06:20:06 PM
Shud have retired years ago when his legs went instead of been sat on the bench for 3 years picking up a wage.its ok adding all these ex players in coaching positions but not adding any experience at all is a recipe for disaster.no wonder academy isn't any good anymore
agreed he stayed at club too long but that's a failing of the hierarchy who didn't bring in better options.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 29, 2021, 07:18:17 PM
To be honest I assumed he'd retired when he took the coaching job with us.

Hope he has a very successful coaching career with us (or wherever.. when/if he eventually moves on)
Just a pre-requisite of any manager who accepts the job of leading our beloved Baggies.
"Oh bye the way messrs Brunt and Morrison will be your assistants". No other reason to announce his retirement, and stage-managed by Dowling.
Title: Re: Chris Brunt
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
Guest of honour at Luton Game.
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/brunty-guest-honour-luton-game


Albion legend Chris Brunt will be guest of honour at The Hawthorns on Saturday afternoon as he prepares to say an “emotional” thank you to the club’s supporters.

Brunt, who will be joined by his family at the game, will be a board room guest of Chief Executive Xu Ke.

The former Northern Ireland international played his 421st and final game for the Baggies when the club earned promotion to the Premier League in July 2020, but the club’s fans – absent owing to the COVID-19 pandemic - were unable to bid him a fond farewell.

A spell at Bristol City followed before Brunt announced his retirement in May with an impressive 588 domestic appearances to his name.


Now coaching with the club’s academy, Brunt will finally get his chance to say thank you on the pitch during the half-time interval of Saturday’s clash with the Hatters.

Ahead of his return to The Hawthorns, Brunt said: “It has been a strange period for us all and it was unfortunate that I did not get the opportunity to say goodbye to the supporters at my final game for the club.

“Now I’m back with the club and I’d really like to show my gratitude to the fans for the support they have shown me during my time as a player. I’m sure it will be an emotional moment and I’d like to thank Ken for inviting me as his guest and offering me the opportunity to say thank you.

“Let’s hope we can get three points and this is another memorable season for our club.”