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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #16625 on: October 22, 2017, 07:51:02 AM »
One trick pony has often been cited. It is becoming apparent to me that he has no idea how to use players of a higher quality and seems more comfortable with grafters or players of average quality probably because of recognising his own limitations. It was similar at Stoke so the club may regret sanctioning the spending level back in the summer.

This is the frustrating thing really because we all agreed that we had a great transfer window.....we have some great players but they are not being allowed to play. With the right man in charge we could be really useful, but last night for me was a turning point - I never expected such a negative set up and poor display. I can live with defending providing we have a counter attacking plan, but there wasn't one. Even if we had drawn or won I would still be questioning our approach. Surely the players cannot be enjoying their game?   
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« Reply #16626 on: October 22, 2017, 07:55:56 AM »
I'll hold my hands up and say I'm a pulis fan. I've posted many times in here defending him and having a go at posters who haven't backed him. But I now have to hold my hands up and say I can't anymore defend this. I didn't and couldn't even be bothered to follow yesterday's game let alone watch it. I think he's been unfortunate in some ways, individual mistakes have cost us two wins, Stoke and watford. I'm not sure what the Nationals will make of it if we fire him though at the min. All they ever say is it's tony pulis he'll keep you up. Was there even any reaction from the pundits on motd? Has our run of 3 wins in 21 even been mentioned anywhere? We were slaughtered in the national media for dumping rdm. In my opinion the hudds game in a couple of weeks is the big one. Lose and lose badly there and I can't see how he could stay. It's a shame as I like the blokes honesty and sometimes they way he talks but maybe he's time is coming to an end in football. It's similar to wenger at Arsenal in someways but obviously on a different level

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« Reply #16627 on: October 22, 2017, 08:05:36 AM »
This is the frustrating thing really because we all agreed that we had a great transfer window.....we have some great players but they are not being allowed to play. With the right man in charge we could be really useful, but last night for me was a turning point - I never expected such a negative set up and poor display. I can live with defending providing we have a counter attacking plan, but there wasn't one. Even if we had drawn or won I would still be questioning our approach. Surely the players cannot be enjoying their game?


Certainly certain players can't be. Greg has played in Europa league finals, he's played for PSG yet he looks lost for us. Every time he gets the ball he has no options where to play it. Jay Rod and Nacer Chadli are having to defend so much any time they get on the ball they must feel incredible pressure to produce because they know it's fairly likely they won't get another chance on the ball for a long, long time. Rodriguez snatched at that golden chance yesterday he probably knew it was going to be the only chance he'd get. The players cannot be playing relaxed.

Young Sam Field has no chance of progressing.He's a decent passer of the ball but that ability will be sacrificed under Pulis because he will play him (when he does play) in such a regimented way and like Greg whenever he does get on the ball there are no options for him.

Oli Burke is young, quick and direct but again Pulis will stifle that attacking talent by completely taking away that mentality.

The sooner Pulis goes the better.

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« Reply #16628 on: October 22, 2017, 08:05:54 AM »
Lots of discussion of what it is and isn't fair to compare Tony Pulis with so how about Alan Irvine?

Slightly unfair because Irvine was in his first season with a squad he hadn't really assembled and were not of the quality we have now but...

After 9 games Irvine had played three of the top 6 teams (Spurs, Liverpool and Man U) and had 10 points. Scored 11 and conceded 12 with 3 clean sheets.

This season, after 9 games we have played one of the top 6 teams (Arsenal) and have 10 points. Scored 7 and conceded 10 with 3 clean sheets.

Apparently one of the two was definitely taking us down.  :-X
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« Reply #16629 on: October 22, 2017, 08:09:13 AM »
Just reading elsewhere that he's using one excuse of playing last Monday for the result at Southampton. Strange that it didn't affect Leicester.

It's pathetic.

Why do you think he threw the last 12 games after getting 40 points? Didn't want Europe.

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« Reply #16630 on: October 22, 2017, 08:14:01 AM »
Lots of discussion of what it is and isn't fair to compare Tony Pulis with so how about Alan Irvine?

Slightly unfair because Irvine was in his first season with a squad he hadn't really assembled and were not of the quality we have now but...

After 9 games Irvine had played three of the top 6 teams (Spurs, Liverpool and Man U) and had 10 points. Scored 11 and conceded 12 with 3 clean sheets.

This season, after 9 games we have played one of the top 6 teams (Arsenal) and have 10 points. Scored 7 and conceded 10 with 3 clean sheets.

Apparently one of the two was definitely taking us down.  :-X

Irvine definately was taking us down VVV, and the present incumbent is on track to break his own unblemished record.

I get your point about Irvine,  but he has hardly had a stellar career after leaving us has he?

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« Reply #16631 on: October 22, 2017, 08:17:16 AM »
This season is turning out to be disappointing considering the players brought in, however our signings in the summer were a bit like giving mowbray some big, tough centre backs who couldn’t pass or a bit like when Pepe Mel tried to play high up the pitch with very big, slow defenders. Pulls doesn’t set teams up with an attacking focus so maybe he’s compromised himself  with some of the signings and is now stuck with some talented players that he just doesn’t know how to get the best out of hence he is defaulting to treating them like he has always done - defend deep and rely on a set piece.

Put us and him out of our collective misery and get a coach who might have some ideas how to balance out this talented squad .....we might just not regret it. At least we’re doing something instead of dying a slow death! Football is about cycles and momentum and Pulis/ Albion’s is clearly coming to an end, we’ve seen it many times

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« Reply #16632 on: October 22, 2017, 08:18:29 AM »
Agreed. We needed to turn those draws against the likes of Watford and Leicester into wins. Using the games from last season to justify getting rid of Pulis is poor though.

People clinging onto his 'purple patch' he had is also poor, if last season's results should be forgotten then so should the 3 months of half decent football he had should be.
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« Reply #16633 on: October 22, 2017, 08:31:57 AM »
An interesting day yesterday, just been on Oatcake and Stoke appear to have had their 'watershed' game as well. Maybe an interesting game of 'managerial musical chairs' coming up?
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« Reply #16634 on: October 22, 2017, 08:47:55 AM »
Part of his problem is he just hasnt learned or moved with the times. His mantra of defending deep without the ball is being chucked out of the window. Do that against most teams now and they will score against you, even the bang average have very talented players now so the more you let them have the ball in and around your penalty area the more chances they will create and therefore the more you will concede. Fighting fire with fire may not win every time but you do have to keep opponents wary something TP seems unable or un willing to learn and accept. It is indeed truly dinosaur football and time he was removed from his post.

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« Reply #16635 on: October 22, 2017, 08:54:19 AM »
I saw someone else say it on here last night, that a big reason as to why Pulis is currently failing is because of the new signings and I think this is very true.

I think overall, Gibbs is better than Brunt, but Brunt suits Pulis perfectly and without him, our set-pieces are much worse. With Brunt around, you will score from set-pieces (Hegazi on the opening day). Perhaps if Gibbs started, we'd have drew that game 0-0. So, although I think Gibbs is a better player from open-play, I think Brunt is more important to Pulis due to his dead-ball qualities which we rely so heavily on.

Then there's Hegazi, who was excellent yesterday but has also been inconsistent and shaky. I like him, but feel with McAuley and Evans at the back, it's a more solid partnership who know each other better. As individual players I think Hegazi is probably better, but like Brunt I feel that McAuley fits our system better due to partnering so well with Evans.

Next is Rodriguez who is simply not as good as Phillips and although he tries, Phillips is creatively so much better, whilst still being solid at defending. For me it's a no-brainer to replace him with Phillips who transformed us last season.

Finally there's Livermore who signed last January. I think he's very average but woeful in attack. We have a specialist in his position, Yacob who is equally as poor in attack but far better in defense which is badly needed. Like Rodriguez, I don't know how Livermore keeps starting.

The only decent signing who fits the team is Kyrosziak - but all of the others simply do not fit into the Pulis style well enough. I thought last season he bought excellently in the summer and that's why we did so well, as our signings could instantly fit in and improve the team. This season it's like the players a good, but are completely different to what the Pulis style demands.
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« Reply #16636 on: October 22, 2017, 09:11:57 AM »
I think although obviously the main thing about us staying in the premier league will be key with the owners i also dont think we should rule out other stuff.

We were the first chinese owned premier league club, a big part of that appeal was to promote us a brand in the far east, of course you have to be in the premier league to do that but when there, as a brand i would imagine there would have to be more.

If our own diehard fans find it hard to watch us, why on earth would others overseas (and here) start watching us and continue watching us?

There is a negative feeling about Albion at the moment which starts on the pitch, spreads to the stands and spreads to the media, as key as being in the premier league is, i dont think our owners and chairman who are looking at a potential gold mine in the far east will ignore the negative vibe.

Personally my guess would be, when Mr Lai came in, he appointed a steady chairman to get to know things, let TP continue stabilising us on the pitch and then the summer just gone, a year into his ownership, look to kick on.

The board backed Pulis very well, they also showed support with the contract extension, as stated before as a fan i felt we were entering new territory and was excited, however the first few months of the season have ruined that.

I would think Mr Williams and Mr Lai will look and think we have spent a lot of money and not only have we not improved, we have actually gone backwards with a lot more expensive players, our style has somehow got worse and our league position is lower than we finished last season with.

I expect us to be bottom three by this time next month and if thats the case i think Pulis days are up, i think the only way a number of fans will turn their support for him is if he tweaks things and we actually start playing football on a regular basis instead of the cowards attempts that we have offered up since end of August, sadly i dont think he can do it and i really wanted him to be able to as i like him.
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« Reply #16637 on: October 22, 2017, 09:49:11 AM »
I think although obviously the main thing about us staying in the premier league will be key with the owners i also dont think we should rule out other stuff.

We were the first chinese owned premier league club, a big part of that appeal was to promote us a brand in the far east, of course you have to be in the premier league to do that but when there, as a brand i would imagine there would have to be more.

If our own diehard fans find it hard to watch us, why on earth would others overseas (and here) start watching us and continue watching us?

There is a negative feeling about Albion at the moment which starts on the pitch, spreads to the stands and spreads to the media, as key as being in the premier league is, i dont think our owners and chairman who are looking at a potential gold mine in the far east will ignore the negative vibe.

Personally my guess would be, when Mr Lai came in, he appointed a steady chairman to get to know things, let TP continue stabilising us on the pitch and then the summer just gone, a year into his ownership, look to kick on.

The board backed Pulis very well, they also showed support with the contract extension, as stated before as a fan i felt we were entering new territory and was excited, however the first few months of the season have ruined that.

I would think Mr Williams and Mr Lai will look and think we have spent a lot of money and not only have we not improved, we have actually gone backwards with a lot more expensive players, our style has somehow got worse and our league position is lower than we finished last season with.

I expect us to be bottom three by this time next month and if thats the case i think Pulis days are up, i think the only way a number of fans will turn their support for him is if he tweaks things and we actually start playing football on a regular basis instead of the cowards attempts that we have offered up since end of August, sadly i dont think he can do it and i really wanted him to be able to as i like him.

Your use of the word cowards is absolutely correct . Last night we didn't even try to win the game . It was totally obvious . My only hope is the cowardice doesn't manifest itself in the boardroom .

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« Reply #16638 on: October 22, 2017, 10:04:26 AM »
I respect Pulis because he kept us up for two years with dire squads.
Last year, we should have pushed on when we were safe and tried to get as high as we could. We could have been adventurous. Played the kids.  we didn't and We finished with a whimper. this season it's been awful.

Everything is about defending full. we do not try to win. every substitution we do is defensive. Midfield players are out of position Maclean plays on the right, Brunt plays in the middle, Phillips plays on the left - just play players in the correct positions, that would be a start.

I have to say for the first time I've had enough. It is time for Pulis to go. I cannot stand watching this football anymore. I do not look forward to watching the games and TV. I do not look forward to going to home games with my season ticket and have no interest in travelling to away games. my friends who go to 5 to 10 away games every season, just don't want to go anymore.

I admire  Tony for keeping us up because the squad was so poor but now you have a good squad and have no excuses. you cannot say every single week that our opponents are a good team and we were unlucky and we didn't do enough. it's too frequently negative,  it's too repetitive, it's boring, it's negative, it's depressing. I'm not sure I want to watch Albion anymore at the moment.

One touch in their box in the first half? Time wasting in the first half. Going in to the corner with 2 minutes to go at Leicester when we could score from a set piece?

Thank you Tony # Pulis out

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« Reply #16639 on: October 22, 2017, 10:16:19 AM »
Your use of the word cowards is absolutely correct . Last night we didn't even try to win the game . It was totally obvious . My only hope is the cowardice doesn't manifest itself in the boardroom .

Its as if the players were not trying last night on purpose... perhaps to send a message......I dont know but to be set up and asked to play like that is criminal.
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« Reply #16640 on: October 22, 2017, 10:27:39 AM »
Pulis only 7th favourite at 16/1 in the next manager to leave post odds :(

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« Reply #16641 on: October 22, 2017, 10:32:32 AM »
The squad has seemed very united for a while, i would be very surprised if he's "lost the dressing room." What wouldn't surprise me is if certain players that deserve to be on the pitch are getting frustrated.

Matt Phillips - our biggest threat last season and exactly what we need for counters, he must come in for Livermore.

Yacob - absolutely perfect for the way Pulis sets up, if he persists with a 451 433 then he'd be better placed than Livermore.

Brunt & Nyom - dropped while our defence was doing very well and provides assists from set pieces.

Rodriguez - not dropped but pushed wide, his most effective games have come through the middle, so he should be up top, not necessarily on his own.

He needs to change the system and play our best players or play the players to suit his system. Whatever he's doing now is not working.

Never liked him, never will but he was asked to sort us out and he did that and there is an element of "better the devil you know." If the club chose to move on it'd be unchartered waters and a manager taking over a struggling side, but the quality of the squad should see us doing better.

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« Reply #16642 on: October 22, 2017, 10:32:48 AM »
Pulis only 7th favourite at 16/1 in the next manager to leave post odds :(

Think there could be a few going soon

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« Reply #16643 on: October 22, 2017, 10:35:02 AM »
I respect Pulis because he kept us up for two years with dire squads.
Last year, we should have pushed on when we were safe and tried to get as high as we could. We could have been adventurous. Played the kids.  we didn't and We finished with a whimper. this season it's been awful.

Everything is about defending full. we do not try to win. every substitution we do is defensive. Midfield players are out of position Maclean plays on the right, Brunt plays in the middle, Phillips plays on the left - just play players in the correct positions, that would be a start.

I have to say for the first time I've had enough. It is time for Pulis to go. I cannot stand watching this football anymore. I do not look forward to watching the games and TV. I do not look forward to going to home games with my season ticket and have no interest in travelling to away games. my friends who go to 5 to 10 away games every season, just don't want to go anymore.

I admire  Tony for keeping us up because the squad was so poor but now you have a good squad and have no excuses. you cannot say every single week that our opponents are a good team and we were unlucky and we didn't do enough. it's too frequently negative,  it's too repetitive, it's boring, it's negative, it's depressing. I'm not sure I want to watch Albion anymore at the moment.

One touch in their box in the first half? Time wasting in the first half. Going in to the corner with 2 minutes to go at Leicester when we could score from a set piece?

Thank you Tony # Pulis out


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« Reply #16644 on: October 22, 2017, 10:39:10 AM »
whats gut wrenching with this squad of players with someone a tad more proactive I think we could really play some decent stuff. I am missing my trips all over the country but i will now only travel knowing we are trying to win a football match
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« Reply #16645 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:04 AM »
For me, West Brom is a sense of obligation rather than enjoyment at the moment. I appreciate that the game is so based on staying in the league now but there's entertainment every week, very very rarely does it involve us.

Pulis needs to make a change before doing the same leads to defeats against Man City, Chelsea and Tottenham. His job hinges on the Huddersfield game, win that and he'll be fine for a little while longer.

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« Reply #16646 on: October 22, 2017, 10:57:56 AM »
I've sobered up.

I've had enough. Yesterday was the final straw.

He came in and did the job that was needed - someone to stabilise the club and keep us up. But we've now moved on and Pulis is incapable of doing that.
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« Reply #16647 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:36 AM »
I think the fact his poor run is straddling two seasons is currently saving him. However he is running on empty in terms of much more of the same. Last night was woeful. Awful. He has no clue how to play if the team can't be described as 'limited' - for 2.5 years he had the opportunity to say that we over performed. But now he can't. We have an excellent squad (with the exception of another CF) and he hasn't the coaching skills to set them up differently. We're in trouble. He needs to go and we need to bring in somebody who is capable of coaching at this (higher) level.

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« Reply #16648 on: October 22, 2017, 11:17:00 AM »
We're on page 666, he does seem to be the devil to some.  ;D
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« Reply #16649 on: October 22, 2017, 11:19:39 AM »
I'm not surprised that we're struggling badly as the team selection is all wrong. Without Yacob playing we can't get results. Same under Alan Irvine and it's the same under Pulis. So he's dropped Yacob for Barry and we've conceded lots of goals with attacks through the centre of the pitch or in front of the back four - exactly what Yacob is great at, providing that shield. Then he's dropped Brunt despite the team scoring 50% of our goals from set peices. We've stopped scoring from corners, which is devastating given how hopeless and negative we are from open play. Then for good measure we failed to sign an out and out powerful striker in the summer, which was the one position we were desperately short in as Rondon has been shot since last Xmas.

We have lots of options now in defence and midfield and none up front. Pulis team selection has been hapless -  the more choice he's given the worst the setup gets.

Laughable mind that fans keep referring to best prem squad ever, I would go as far as to say we have the weakest premiership strikforce we have ever had at this level. Not easy to fix though as goalscorers do not want to sign for Pulis, which is sensible.