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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #14025 on: March 19, 2017, 09:40:59 AM »
When it comes to corners having tall players is good, but most clubs have tall CH's so I think what really stands out for us and makes the biggest difference is just how good the ball into the box is. They're whipped in with pace and right into the danger area and we are very consistent with it.

Being a Pulis side it's sort of considered standard because we're a bunch of big lads but really it's the skill of the players taking the corners that's our standout.

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« Reply #14026 on: March 19, 2017, 09:46:21 AM »
If any of YOU supporter`s are still staying away because of TP more fool you you are missing some master classes in how to counter attack we had more shots more attacking threat but again less possession as for some of the fan`s still having a go at TP in my opinion you are mugs as you can`t see a good manager when when he`s staring you in the face as 68 said your quiet tonight

People have there own views on how they want to be entertained,I agree about its slightly better than last season,but its not all the time,and usually only in patches or in one half,I don't want Pulis managing my team,unless we cut down on the endless punts up field to Rondon,who is usually isolated and has no support,or the mindless clearances which goes straight back to the other team.

I have to agree he is doing a good job points wise,I haven't moaned or criticised,even when we have had a bad game,what he is doing is working atm,but the football mostly isn't for me,so I won't renew till either he has left,or we are a lot more interesting to watch for most of the games we play.

Its my view and I won't fall out or start having a dig,as like i said people have there own opinions,life would be boring if we all had the same outlook.

Great win yesterday though.

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« Reply #14027 on: March 19, 2017, 10:07:05 AM »
But the football isn't that much different than under Roy. Megson's approach was worse. Tony M had us playing nice ineffective football.

I know what you mean though but i thought we played the more entertaining football yesterday. Football is about more than passing it nicely when in possession for me. When we're defending it can actually be enjoyable to see how we control where the ball goes and how we limit the other teams options. Arsenal only had 2 shots on target yesterday, and nothing on target after the 33rd minute. 

Arsenal was all sideways passing and then losing possession. We are direct and counter at pace.

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« Reply #14028 on: March 19, 2017, 10:15:35 AM »
But the football isn't that much different than under Roy. Megson's approach was worse. Tony M had us playing nice ineffective football.

I know what you mean though but i thought we played the more entertaining football yesterday. Football is about more than passing it nicely when in possession for me. When we're defending it can actually be enjoyable to see how we control where the ball goes and how we limit the other teams options. Arsenal only had 2 shots on target yesterday, and nothing on target after the 33rd minute. 

Arsenal was all sideways passing and then losing possession. We are direct and counter at pace.

I didn't enjoy most of the games under Roy,same as I didn't under Megson,tbf though under Roy we was starting to become a feared team,but again we didn't have the funds that we have now,so I grinned and beared it.

I don't mind playing counter attacking football,but like I said earlier,its mostly the pointless long punts upfield that frustrate me the most.

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« Reply #14029 on: March 19, 2017, 10:28:16 AM »
I am always happy when we win, but I am only tempted to go to a few games under the present regime. I understand all the people who feel he is doing a good job, and he does get a certain number of results every season. He is  like Allardyce and Warnock, but I would not particularly want either of them at our club. There seems little bounce or enthusiasm at the stadium, so it seems he has not converted (not a rugby pun!) enough people to his methods yet. Pleased there are enough who will go and keep attendances at a reasonable level. Personally, it is not what got me  excited about the Albion years ago, and more match days are now spent doing other things.Maybe it is the premier league structure that has created the likes of Pulis and Allardyce, who "succeed" by achieving mediocre results over a season, but mean a lot in terms of finance to the clubs they manage.
Perhaps he is the right man for the Albion at the moment, yesterday would indicate that, but still hope he is not here too long. My tennis and golf are benefiting from extra time on Saturdays, and a change is as good as a rest, but would love to be back on a regular basis in the next couple of seasons.   
     

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« Reply #14030 on: March 19, 2017, 10:53:58 AM »
Given the gap in quality between the two sides yesterday setting up like we did is probably the most effective option open to us, although in terms of actual performance that gap wasn't that pronounced.


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« Reply #14031 on: March 19, 2017, 11:01:55 AM »
But for their goal that was TP dream performance & outcome (mine to).
After two games were we showed no energy or enthusiasm this was the reaction we all hoped for.
This style of football is the best way forward for us has a club for the next few seasons while we slowly build a new squad.
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« Reply #14032 on: March 19, 2017, 11:18:08 AM »
When it comes to corners having tall players is good, but most clubs have tall CH's so I think what really stands out for us and makes the biggest difference is just how good the ball into the box is. They're whipped in with pace and right into the danger area and we are very consistent with it.

Being a Pulis side it's sort of considered standard because we're a bunch of big lads but really it's the skill of the players taking the corners that's our standout.

Spot on.  Brunt and Phillips are brilliant with their deliveries.  So hard to defend against corners of that quality and pace.   The key is that other clubs can only actually practice how to defend against it if they themselves have players who can whip in corners like that!

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« Reply #14033 on: March 19, 2017, 12:10:03 PM »
Spot on.  Brunt and Phillips are brilliant with their deliveries.  So hard to defend against corners of that quality and pace.   The key is that other clubs can only actually practice how to defend against it if they themselves have players who can whip in corners like that!
Agreed, and yesterday Chadli, and Mcclean were excellent with their deliveries from corners too.
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« Reply #14034 on: March 19, 2017, 12:55:09 PM »
You TP hater`s really are hard to please this season we have played some of the best football seen at the Hawthorns for a few years yet still you think he`s no good .Abiondaz seems to think we are a long ball team do you mean like the long ball down the line for Chadi to run onto or the long ball that McClean ran onto no sorry they wer`nt long balls for Rondon they must have been them them long endless punts upfield We showed how counter attacking football should be played yet to some we are a long ball aimless punt team some fans should stop there endless criticism it`s` not warranted at this point in time

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« Reply #14035 on: March 19, 2017, 01:47:07 PM »
You TP hater`s really are hard to please this season we have played some of the best football seen at the Hawthorns for a few years yet still you think he`s no good .Abiondaz seems to think we are a long ball team do you mean like the long ball down the line for Chadi to run onto or the long ball that McClean ran onto no sorry they wer`nt long balls for Rondon they must have been them them long endless punts upfield We showed how counter attacking football should be played yet to some we are a long ball aimless punt team some fans should stop there endless criticism it`s` not warranted at this point in time
Why don't you read my post properly,you know damn well what I mean,I never mentioned direct passes.Also I never mentioned yesterdays game,but the long punt's upfield,usually to our solitary striker,since TP took over.

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« Reply #14036 on: March 19, 2017, 01:48:16 PM »
Also like to add I don't hate TP.

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« Reply #14037 on: March 19, 2017, 02:20:34 PM »
If any of YOU supporter`s are still staying away because of TP more fool you you are missing some master classes in how to counter attack we had more shots more attacking threat but again less possession as for some of the fan`s still having a go at TP in my opinion you are mugs as you can`t see a good manager when when he`s staring you in the face as 68 said your quiet tonight
Sorry to say this but you really are a sanctimonious, pompous arse, I have stayed away but came back for palace, it was crap, the football was crap, the atmosphere was crap there was nothing to commend it and at @ £100. so I chose not to rush back yesterday.
There is no doubt that today we were the "other" albion, my loss end of !

So, can I a) afford b) justify the time / cash to maybe get entertained ? thats a decision I wrestle with weekly.

Do I still love West Brom, of course i do and I don't need some knob telling me that I'm less of  a fan, I recognise that I am, but thats my choice of priorities in life. Your constant sniping and be-littling of people like me is very very freaking annoying and achieves naff all, so please stop it !
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« Reply #14038 on: March 19, 2017, 03:24:37 PM »
Sorry to say this but you really are a sanctimonious, pompous arse, I have stayed away but came back for palace, it was crap, the football was crap, the atmosphere was crap there was nothing to commend it and at @ £100. so I chose not to rush back yesterday.
There is no doubt that today we were the "other" albion, my loss end of !

So, can I a) afford b) justify the time / cash to maybe get entertained ? thats a decision I wrestle with weekly.

Do I still love West Brom, of course i do and I don't need some knob telling me that I'm less of  a fan, I recognise that I am, but thats my choice of priorities in life. Your constant sniping and be-littling of people like me is very very freaking annoying and achieves naff all, so please stop it !

Well said.

Personally, I'm against booing, & I'm certainly against justifying booing because "I've paid my money & I can do what I like".
For me booing doesn't help, it only hinders.

On the other hand, on this forum, I have an opinion, & my opinion is no less or more valid than any other opinion.

On the topic of Tony Pulis, I think what he has done for WBAFC since his arrival is OK, but, like others on this forum, I also think he has his limitations & is not the Messiah that some would have you believe.

I have no idea what Guochuan Lai wants from WBAFC, but I would think it's something other than perpetual Premier League survival, & you would think he would want to win a trophy of some sort.

There are also some members of this forum who have an excellent grasp of football tactics, (considerably better than mine), & put forward some very good arguments as to why Tony Pulis has tactical limitations, & particularly in respect to tournament football.

I live about 20 miles away from the Hawthorns, & there's only me to pay for, but I could see that if somebody has to travel huge distances, (& I know of at least one member who comes from the Isle of Wight), then entertainment would be a significant factor in making the decision on attending matches.

So I agree with Albionic, sanctimonious comments do tend to grate
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« Reply #14039 on: March 19, 2017, 03:27:06 PM »
A**e am I look in the mirror mate and all you`ll see is an a**e I don`t pick and choose matches this a**e goes every wk and does`nt need a**e`s like you to tell what I can and can`t say In my  opinion what I said in that post is totally true If you went to more matches you would find out for yourself. As for daz did read your post properly and gave you the answer it deserved  we do not play direct and we don`t hit pointless punt`s upfield and the way you are criticising our style of play it sounds like your a TP hater. Anyway you can all think what you like won`t `change my opinion

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« Reply #14040 on: March 19, 2017, 03:38:41 PM »
Well said.

Personally, I'm against booing, & I'm certainly against justifying booing because "I've paid my money & I can do what I like".
For me booing doesn't help, it only hinders.

On the other hand, on this forum, I have an opinion, & my opinion is no less or more valid than any other opinion.

On the topic of Tony Pulis, I think what he has done for WBAFC since his arrival is OK, but, like others on this forum, I also think he has his limitations & is not the Messiah that some would have you believe.

I have no idea what Guochuan Lai wants from WBAFC, but I would think it's something other than perpetual Premier League survival, & you would think he would want to win a trophy of some sort.

There are also some members of this forum who have an excellent grasp of football tactics, (considerably better than mine), & put forward some very good arguments as to why Tony Pulis has tactical limitations, & particularly in respect to tournament football.

I live about 20 miles away from the Hawthorns, & there's only me to pay for, but I could see that if somebody has to travel huge distances, (& I know of at least one member who comes from the Isle of Wight), then entertainment would be a significant factor in making the decision on attending matches.

So I agree with Albionic, sanctimonious comments do tend to grate

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« Reply #14041 on: March 19, 2017, 03:45:01 PM »
Cut out the petty insults lads there's simply no need for name calling it feels like being back at school. Any further posts in that manner will be removed, differing opinions and personal circumstances don't mean anyone is less of a fan than someone else for crying out loud.
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« Reply #14042 on: March 19, 2017, 03:47:20 PM »
To be fair we do play direct, and did yesterday. We also hit a lot of punts forwards too. Nothing wrong with it when it works, but when we aren't winning it does leave the fans feeling short-changed and can see why some choose to stay away.

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« Reply #14043 on: March 19, 2017, 03:54:06 PM »
The complaining about style of play was fully justified last season in my view and you could argue that it was for the first few games of this season too. Overall I don't see how many can have complaints about it now we have some better players to make it more affective and pleasing on the eye.
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« Reply #14044 on: March 19, 2017, 04:01:56 PM »
Sorry about that B_H_Baggie just defending myself against  a site Donator and senior baggie . and if they watched our style of play over the last few months we use the channel`s a lot more than any long ball with the width of our Full Backs and Winger`s are giving us

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« Reply #14045 on: March 19, 2017, 04:08:29 PM »
We do sometimes have to hit it long and we tend to try and play it in the channels when we do.  It's mainly because we sit deep and hit on the counter.  We certainly aren't a normal long ball team.

I still find it amazing that someone can think Pulis has only done 'ok' though.  We look better now than any other recent time I can remember. If folk aren't happy with how things are then I'm not sure they could have been happy for the last 25 years.

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« Reply #14046 on: March 19, 2017, 04:14:08 PM »
While I agree we have improved this season and played some good stuff, including yesterday, to say we aren't a long ball team is a bit strange. We've played the 5th highest amount of long balls and the lowest amount of passes completed and possession in the league! If that isn't a long ball team then I don't know what is..

Nothing against it, as it's clearly worked for us, just don't get this 'not a long ball team' stuff.

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« Reply #14047 on: March 19, 2017, 04:31:30 PM »
We do sometimes have to hit it long and we tend to try and play it in the channels when we do.  It's mainly because we sit deep and hit on the counter.  We certainly aren't a normal long ball team.

I still find it amazing that someone can think Pulis has only done 'ok' though.  We look better now than any other recent time I can remember. If folk aren't happy with how things are then I'm not sure they could have been happy for the last 25 years.

If we were still in the Jeremy Peace era, Tony Pulis has done a marvelous job, but we're not, we're now in a different era. An era where the Chinese nation is expected to put it's stamp on global football.
From that perspective, Pulis has done OK, but longer term, I'm expecting better.

What I'm not expecting is Gauchaun Lai to throw money at it in the hope of a miracle, what I am expecting is constant, sustained improvement. As a consequence of that, at some stage, Tony Pulis, along with a number of other key personell in the organisation, will have outlived their usefulness.

If we've reached a plateau & push on from there then I'm happy, if this is as good as it gets, then no I'm not.
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« Reply #14048 on: March 19, 2017, 04:43:42 PM »
It's a bit soon to judge this era, from what I've seen it's more of the same - we've not exactly pushed the boat out.  I think the danger is thinking that this is us as a top 10 team now. We've had a great season, regardless of what happens now, and I think the next stage is for us to make that a regular thing.  It takes time to improve so I think we need to be patient.

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« Reply #14049 on: March 19, 2017, 04:51:25 PM »
Sorry about that B_H_Baggie just defending myself against  a site Donator and senior baggie . and if they watched our style of play over the last few months we use the channel`s a lot more than any long ball with the width of our Full Backs and Winger`s are giving us

Have your opinion and by all means express it, but don't take such a sneering "i'm better than you because i'm a real fan attitude" You might not recognise it, but it's very annoying (as no doubt am I) and achieves naff all but winding folks up.
Anyway thats all I'm going to say on this subject now.

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