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Off Topic => General Football & Sports => Topic started by: dangerman on February 25, 2011, 09:06:20 AM
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Would love them to win the cup the weekend, just to rub it in the faces of the Seals.
Walcot is out. Fabrigas is doubtful.
Do you think they have a chance?
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To be honest i want them to get hammered, i want their moral to be low when they face us.
Also i want them to still be proper trophey less :D
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I want Arsenal to absolutely batter them.
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Really? I'm suprised.
Would those opinion's change if we wasn't playing them a week later?
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I would like the Gunners to batter them on Sunday, I would still be saying this if we were not playing them the week after.
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Gunners to beat them and hopefully they can pick up a few injuries
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im not really bothered to be honest. i hope they get beat, as i see everyone as our rivals, especially when we've got them next week.
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Really? I'm suprised.
Would those opinion's change if we wasn't playing them a week later?
Blues are still down their with us.I want their moral damaged as much as possible
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It would be the same if Villa were playing instead of Blues.
I want them to get beat, moral damaged to bring them back into the dogfight.
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If they win I dont think it matters to our game next week. If anything a Blues win could see a cup hangover in their next game.
I dont want them to win this game though. Wolves and Villa are the 2 clubs I really cant stand to see winning anything and id probably choose Blues winning a cup over Stoke due to their fans having an obsession with us but it still makes me jealous and I like being able to sing about their lack of trophy's.
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i wouldnt mind seeing them win it just to p*** the claret n spew off, not to mention "after the lord mayors show" and all that.
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I'd love to see Arsenal smash them!
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I don't want Arsenal just to smash them. I want Arsenal to run them ragid. Wembleys a big pitch if things aren't going your way. It's always hard playing Arsenal when you're losing let alone at Wembley. I don't like to see players get injured but if Barry Ferguson got injured i'd fear for them.
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I cannot believe some actually want Small Heath to win. Their fans are unbearable as it is, imagine if they actually win something. I hope it is a horribly rainy day and they get hammered without having anything to celebrate. A few injuries would be nice too.
Come on Arsenal!
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Given the choice between Bloos winning and getting one over on V****
or them losing and the V**** muppets dancing in the streets.
i make no opologies, its a Bloos win for me.
i can put up with what they can throw at me because V**** fans will get it 100 times worse, and that would be priceless!
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Hope Arsenal win, I hate the way brum play football...boring!
Can see it being a dyer final tbh, with Arsenl scraping it 1-0.
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I hope Arsenal thump them so bad that it shatters their confidence for the rest of the season. Hopefully Blues will pick up seven or eight injuries to key players resulting in relegation for them !!
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I reckon they'll do arsenal, dont know why i just cant see the gooners winning. But lets just hope arsenal run blues into the ground ready for the following saturday ;D
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hoping Blues win...
got no problem with Blues would rather see the cup goto a team other than the media whore 'top 4' sides..
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I want Blues to win for the sole reason that it will really annoy Villa fans. That and if they get battered I would fear a backlash next week.
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FFS (not that I want Blues to win) but Bowyer clean through (definitely onside, brought down by Szczesny, definite penalty and a sending off. Flagged offside :o :o
Where have I seen a big decision wrongly made like that before ::) ::)
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Am I the only person on this forum who wants these to lose today because I hate them? :D
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Blues 1-0 up, fair play to them, they've done well so far.
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I don't have a problem with Villa. I hate Blues more than any other team. I'm surrounded by Blues fans and they are all deluded.
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Funny seeing all these Vile fans crying about it on facebook. I thought it was everyone else who was meant to be bitter?
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When was the last time Small Heath scored from open play? I reckon we are looking at around 2006. They only score from set-pieces. Complete joke.
I don't have a problem with Villa. I hate Blues more than any other team. I'm surrounded by Blues fans and they are all deluded.
I feel your pain fella. They're all numpties.
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If these scummy lot win today, throw me some sympathy because I'll never hear the last of it! :'(
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come on you blues! :D
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That is how you play football! Go on Arsenal.
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What a game this is and great goal!
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Lovely goal. Van Persie has injured himself in the process. Can't remember the last time I was watching a League Cup final where two teams want it so much.
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It's great to see 2 teams who really want to win this. Imagine if it was Chelsea and United. There would be zero atmosphere, it would be an awful game and when one of them scrapes it on penalties neither the fans or players would care.
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Really enjoyed watching this game, some good chances from both sides.
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Would really like Arsenal to win this how ever I wouldn't begrudge SKP the winner!
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A few injuries and cramp would be good for us, Birmingham City players of course
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Good game to be fair. Blues defending and counter attacking.
Steven Carr has one hell of an engine !!
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Jammy gits !!
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I'm really happy for Birmingham
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Well done Blues.
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fair play to them but guess what were there next game ffs there going to be on a high now, party poopers hopefully the headline next week
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European Football for Birmingham City next season :o
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I'm really happy for Birmingham
Then all I can hope is that you have the smug fools rubbing it in for you for the rest of your life, maybe you'll be less happy for em.
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fair play to them but guess what we have the next ffs there going to be on a high now,
Maybe their heads will still be in the clouds, after the lord mayors and all that
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I've never had any problems with Birmingham fans whatsoever. They like us more than we like them anyway
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If we had just won a trophy we would be rubbing it in with other fans as well.
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well it just shows you ,anyone can beat anyone,
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Fair play Bloose.
Still think we can beat them though.
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No more "never won **** all" chants now. European football for Blues fans to look forward to.
Hopefully this will still be on their minds when we play them next week and we can beat them. Not impossible to think it could happen.
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Well done blues my rear end. >:(
Who do you think arsenal will take it out on?
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Maybe their heads will still be in the clouds, after the lord mayors and all that
Going to be a cr8p place to be an Albion fan threre next week with a NOW expected full house and all the euphoria of the Cup celebrations. They could just blow our lilly livered crew out of the water..............
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Arsene Wengers ignorance has cost arsenal this trophy IMO, everyone and i mean everyone bar him can see the gunners needed a new GK and look what has happed here, would Shay Given hav dropped that ball, not a chance.
Well done to blues deservd it tonight best team on the day, down side is not hearing the last of it, lets hope they get relegated and we stay up :-)
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Must say how poor the arsenal fans were/are leaving early no atmosphere etc. Funny how wenger is no where to be seen!!
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I'm actually pretty pleased for them. The reaction from the players was great to see. Especially when you remember the indifference from the Man United players and fans last year.
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Well done to the blues, good set of fans.
Plus anything that enrages villa is good for me.
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Well played Blues, a decent final to watch for once.
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Fair play to blues. I just wish one day i will be able to experience something like that. Hopefully this could be a blessing in disguise i mean they seem to have picked up quite a few knocks today so........... ;)
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Congratulations to them, although, that really could of been us.
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I am pleased for the Blues, yes they have some who get carried away but so do we, the blues fans i know are quite happy to take the pee out themselves, my mate who text me who is there just said 'carling cup and relegation in one season, its got to happen to the blues!'
Nice to see a different team to win it and i think in the west midlands there fans are the most similar to ours, in general they seem to wish us well and i do them too.
I hope they enjoy the celebrations and attention they get, i know we would! Also makes me a bit 'what if' had we put a proper team out at Ipswich and gone for it, could of been us.
I would hope next sat is a bit of a hangover for them, think if we got an early goal will pee of their parade because the start of the game they will be buzzing.
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Congratulations to them, although, that really could of been us.
Exactly. Birmingham have shown that if lesser sides take it seriously then they can win the Carling Cup. Sadly, RDM didn't see it this way and fielded a weaker side at Ipswich, when we had a good chance of going far in a cup competition.
As a result, Birmingham now have a recent trophy to their name and European football to look forward to.
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Im chuffed for Blues to be honest, all the other results this weekend have pretty much gone against us and some may argue that this is not good going into our match next week but im genuinely happy for them, nice to see a midlands team do it as long as its not Villa or Wolves and we are seeing some very bitter Villa fans which is not a familar site ;D
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Blues got what they deseved from the game.
Well done (through gritted teeth)
Lets give it to em now next Saturday
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"You've only won one cup" :P
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Credit where credits due they earned it.Johnson & Jiranek were outstanding,the rest seemed to take their cue from them,it must have been Carrs best game for 20 years!!
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Fair play to them, Villa fans extremely bitter over this. According to many Vile fans the Carling Cup means nothing? Think back 12 months, remember all the Villa fans crying over the Vidic non-sending off?! Well done to the Blues. SOTV!
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Fair play to them,Anything that upsets the Villa fans is fine by me!
Hopefully next Saturday it'll be a case of after the lords mayor's show and we grab a result.
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Yeah very happy for the Blues. Doing the West Midlands proud.
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Can't say I'm bothered about who won to be honest but fair play to them it was a very entertaining final and pretty much deserved.
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Bit out of order I thought when Barry Ferguson ran past when they scored and started patting Kosielny (sp) on the head. No need IMO.
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I didn't notice that CL3MO, very disrespectful.
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Think it was Obafemi Martins who did that, Cl3mo.
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Well done to Blues,they deserved it too.Yet another game where the big team got turned over this season.......cant help thinking about Ipswich away and how that could have been us.
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I seem to remember being told by a bluenose that when we survived on the last game in the great escape season it was announced over the tannoy at St Andrews and was met with spontaneous and widespread applause.......so..........fairs fair....... well done Blues.
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Being the curious person that I am I had a quick peek on Viletalk to see their reaction. People wishing terminal illness on David Gold of all people. What a lovely bunch they really are.
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"You've only won one cup" :P
Damn, the one cup thing was a great line to cut a Bluenose back down to size.
Now they've won a trophy in recent years.
We are fast becoming the smallest club in the WM.
I have to admit I wanted Arsenal to win today, to pick something up for the great football they play, a reward for playing good stuff. A Premiership without Wenger/ Wenger's Arsenal, will be a much, much, poorer one, in my opinion.
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Well done to em...
Got no gripe with the Bloos...
Now Vile is a different story..... >:(
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Bit out of order I thought when Barry Ferguson ran past when they scored and started patting Kosielny (sp) on the head. No need IMO.
The FA should identify the culprit and charge them with violent conduct because it was a forceful push on Koscienly. If that happens in open play it's a red card. The FA will do nowt, though. We could do with a suspension for one of their players for next week.
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Hopefully they'll have been on the sauce all week by the time they meet us. :)
It's a pity it didn't go to ET.
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I got a feeling we will beat them the weekend.
There still going to be buzzing from the cup final.
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"You've only won one cup" :P
They will have to invest in a Trophy cupboard now!! ;D
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Hopefully they'll have been on the sauce all week by the time they meet us. :)
It's a pity it didn't go to ET.
Why? We play tonight so they'll have more than 24 hours rest than us anyway.
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Villa's league cup win in 1994 is now apparently meaningless, it's all about the european cup and they wern't bothered about last years final either ???
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They did a good impression of supporters that were extremely bothered by it last year with the amount of moaning they did after the game. The reaction of the Villa fans is the only thing that has cheered me up a little over the weekend.
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The pain hurts i live in a bluenose area,work with bluenoses and play football with them,my brother is one but my saving grace is they need to win another 3 + 7 fa cups,super cup and the european cup,and they were the ones who were calling this a mickey mouse club last year the clearings in the woods...
Says it all.......
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And they say that ourselves and Blues are the ones who are obsessed?!?! ;D
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Working with a bunch, not rubbing it in just looking forward to our match Saturday.
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The FA should identify the culprit and charge them with violent conduct because it was a forceful push on Koscienly. If that happens in open play it's a red card. The FA will do nowt, though. We could do with a suspension for one of their players for next week.
Not if you're Wayne Rooney it doesn't. At the time thought nothing of it and seen it again. Wasn't a major issue.
Jack Wilshire criticised the player on twitter saying "Well done to the BCFC player who slapped Koscielny on the head when they scored, very big of you" rich from someone who breaks a womans arm.
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Damn, the one cup thing was a great line to cut a Bluenose back down to size.
Now they've won a trophy in recent years.
We are fast becoming the smallest club in the WM. I have to admit I wanted Arsenal to win today, to pick something up for the great football they play, a reward for playing good stuff. A Premiership without Wenger/ Wenger's Arsenal, will be a much, much, poorer one, in my opinion.
Perspective alert!!! only 1 league title,2 runners up, 5 FA cups 5 runners up, 20 odd years more in the top flight than them (and 12 top 6 finishes in the top flight compared to their 1 ) to go before they can compare themselves to us. ;D
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Jack Wilshire criticised the player on twitter saying "Well done to the BCFC player who slapped Koscielny on the head when they scored, very big of you" rich from someone who breaks a womans arm.
(Yellow Submarine)
We all saw you Crying on TV! Crying on TV! Crying on TV!
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Im prepared for the constant wembley cup songs they will sing on saturday.
Just hope we come away laughing at the end after collecting 3 points. :P
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Ruled out an open bus top parade i hear.Having an open day at their place on Sunday.Lets hope their mood changes somewhat come then
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What did we all think of these today and their chances of survival?
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What did we all think of these today and their chances of survival?
well i would say curtis davies definatley has a soft spot for the baggies ;D
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What did we all think of these today and their chances of survival?
Typically poor performance and lethargic reaction following on from last weekend's success.
We were certainly helped by the fact that they had a few key players out injured!
I think they and West Ham have strong enough squads to get themselves out of trouble, but I'm hoping that Blackpool and Blackburn both continue to slide and join us, Wolves and Wigan in the fight to avoid the bottom three.
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Dont forget Stoke.......
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http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,454800
just having a read on their forum about it, looks like nobody turned up and they are saying the trophy wasn't there
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http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,454800
just having a read on their forum about it, looks like nobody turned up and they are saying the trophy wasn't there
Apparently some rotters from up the road came along yesterday and ****** on their parade!
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Sounds like it was badly organised and restricted due to the club and the local council.
If they had the civic reception in the week maybe in Birmingham city centre then they would have had thousands but nowadays after the huge death rates at WBA, Chelsea, Arsenal, Blackpool and Liverpool civic receptions ive seen in years gone by they have decided it is unsafe.
Shame for the fans but thank God for the health and safety crusaders who have stopped what would have been a day where thousands died.
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As anyone seem the photos on their official site, its hillarious
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Apparently some rotters from up the road came along yesterday and ****** on their parade!
Nice.................. ;D
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Everton verses Birmingham tonight.Whats your preferred result.Most people i am sure would want Everton to win but i would like Everton in the mix with us too.
2-1 Everton
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Im hoping for an Everton win tonight, they have picked up good results in the last few weeks, and I expect them to pull away from the lower reaches of the table.
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Yes, I think Everton will be OK.
After tonight, 6 of Brum's last 10 games are away (including away to Chelsea), so should they lose tonight they are very much in the mix I should think.
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Has to be an everton win tonight for me, would love to see this 'established premier league club' go down and i feel that if they lose both their games in hand then imo they are in the crapper
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Hopefully Small Heath ship a few goals. We need all our rival's goal-difference to take a beating to be honest.
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1-0 to the Blues :(
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Boo :(
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Heitinga makes it 1-1 :D
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Woo :D
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The ref just gave the Blues player an invisible card!!
I thought I was going mad but they've just shown a replay. he puts his hand in his pocket, puts hand up in air as if showing a card, and nothings there!
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BBC Stat: This season Everton have not lost any of the 12 matches in which they have been drawing at half-time.
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Please stuff them Everton, would love to see Small Heath go down the pan. Relegation should entail administration for them, they can take their Carling Cup right down to the Championship.
Everton have been bossing this game, by the way. I'm probably one of the few watching it over Spurs.
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Finishes 1-1, good for us as birmingham dont move ahead, but its another point gained by a fellow relegation rival, and everton pressed and pressed for their 2nd but couldnt find it. Uninspiring game all in all. Next.
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I thought this was a blog worth reading.
http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/03/distant-subsidiary-who-is-peter-pannu.html
“A distant subsidiary” – Who is Peter Pannu trying to kid?
Background
Last week Bloomberg and the various other media ran reports that Birmingham International Holdings Limited (“BIH”), the direct parent company of Birmingham City PLC (“BC”) which is itself the sole parent of Birmingham City Football Club PLC (“BCFC”) had some financial problems.
Statements published to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange by BIH relating to its interim results to 31st December showed that the Chairman, Carson Yeung, was having to take out a HK$150m (c. £12m) personal loan (secured on his own Hong Kong properties), and that BIH was raising HK$310m (c. £25m) through a placing of new shares to keep the business going.
Today the press is full of vehement denials by the BCFC board that anything is wrong. Peter Pannu (BCFC’s acting Chairman) said on the club’s official site (my emphasis):
"It is important to note that BCFC (the club) is a separate corporate entity from BIHL (a listed company in Hong Kong). Although a distant subsidiary, BCFC's accounts are separate and it operates on its own financial basis.
"BCFC is in credit with their bankers and there is no financial impediment to its operations. We will have no problem securing UEFA licence approval for which the club had already filed the papers.
"As for BIHL, the financial support by a major shareholder is a common occurrence and there is no cause for concern or any direct links to BCFC's wellbeing."
This is a completely ridiculous and totally misleading statement that insults the intelligence of Birmingham City's fans.
"Material uncertainty"
BIH’s interim accounts show a “material uncertainty” that the group (i.e. including subsidiary BCFC) can continue as a “going concern”, in other words there is a major risk of insolvency. That is the source of press stories last week.
BC and BCFC’s full year accounts (published in October 2010) both contain exactly the same “material uncertainty” as BIH’s accounts (see pages 7 and 13 respectively). In note 1 of the BCFC accounts (page 13) more details of the club’s cash needs are given:
“The forecasts show that the Group [i.e. Birmingham City Football Club] needs funding of around £7.5m from its parent company [BIH] in the short term in order for the Group to continue to operate within its agreed bank facilities..... The sensitised forecasts [that BCFC stays in the PL but at a lower than hoped level] shows a further requirement for funding of up to £3m in June 2011.”
The BCFC accounts then go on to talk about the placing of new shares in BIH (also page 13) and say that:
“The directors of the parent company [BIH] have confirmed that £7.5m of the funds to be received from the placing are expected to be transferred to the Group by the end of November 2010 and have also confirmed that additional funds of up to £3m will be made available to the Group from the placing proceeds noted above later in the year as and if required.”
So BCFC is entirely reliant on funding from BIH to stay within its banking facilities. This money is needed even if BCFC fight off relegation and no forecasts have been presented to the auditors on the basis that BCFC (currently in 18th place but with games in hand) go down.
Far from being a “distant subsidiary” of BIH, BCFC is entirely reliant on it for financing as is described in detail in UK Companies House filings from October. Peter Pannu is significantly misleading supporters by claiming the financial fortunes of BCFC are not tied to those of BIH. If BIH fails, so does BCFC.
Where things stand in March 2011
The comments by the auditors in the BC and BCFC accounts were from October, so perhaps Birmingham City fans should heed Pannu’s words that there are no “financial impediments” at the club? Well what the BIH statement to the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on 3rd March 2011 tells us is that things have not got any better since October:
1. It is not clear whether Carson Yeung has actually taken out a personal loan secured on his Hong Kong property. The 3rd March statement by BIH say that he will “apply [for] a credit facility”. The BIH accounts in October 2010 said the same thing (page 56). Does the loan exist?
2. The placing referred to in the BCFC accounts as the source of funds to keep the club within its banking facilities has still not taken place. Although the BCFC accounts said the money would be transferred to the club “by the end of November 2010”, on 25th February 2011, BIH announced the placing would be extended until 25th March 2011. Only 29% (around £7.2m) of the placing is “underwritten” (i.e. guaranteed by the broker leading the placing), the majority may or may not be raised.
3. BCFC represents 94.5% of BIH’s turnover in the six months to 31st December 2010. BIH has no other material businesses.
4. BIH has announced and then aborted two deals to buy businesses apparently owned by Carson Yeung since it bought BIH. BIH has also announced two property deals with Mr Yeung to acquire land he owns or is intending to buy in China. The largest of these two property deals includes the payment by BIH of £5.6m in cash to Mr Yeung (see page 4 of BIH circular published on 19th January). No information is given as to where BIH will obtain this cash.
5. At 31st December 2010, the BIH balance sheet showed a cash balance of only HK$ 18.5m (c. £1.5m). In addition to its HK$ 125m (c. £10m) of debts (all related to BCFC), the club also owes a further HK$ 128.3m (c. £10m) in stage payments on previous transfers.
Unknowns
Carson Yeung may or may not be a wealthy man, we have no way of knowing.
Mr Yeung (who has already lent the club £15m) may or may not have borrowed £12m to support Birmingham City. Whether the loan has been taken out is not clear.
Mr Yeung may have property assets in mainland China which he intends to sell to Birmingham City’s parent company, but the ownership of the land is not properly disclosed. The source of any cash consideration for these deals is not clear.
If one of these deals takes place (the purchase of development land in the Liaobin Economic Zone, Panjin City, Liaoning Province, PRC announced on 19th January 2011), unnamed "guarantors" may end up holding convertible preference shares allowing them to become majority owners of BIH and hence Birmingham City Football, but again disclosure is inadequate.
Birmingham City’s parent company may be about to raise around £25m in new shares through a placing to help the club, but the placing is four months late and only a third of the money is guaranteed.
The Premier League may be on top of all this. But maybe not....
If I was a Birmingham City supporter I'd want answers rather than patronising bull from Mr Pannu.
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This is exactly why I do not want a foriegn owner at the Albion.
We might not win things, but we ain't about to go bust either. Portsmouth struggled after there FA Cup win, as will Blues I believe.
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I've allways thought Yeung was just a front man for a silent party to be honest.
Chinese business is a shady world, all smoke and mirrors.
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There Carling Cup final win seems a long time ago now, there last league win was against Stoke five weeks ago now, they play Bolton in two weeks.
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Big next few games for Blues, the cup win has shadowed their poor league form.
Few more losses and can really see them being in trouble.
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Just watches MOTD. Ben Foster had a blinder.
Its a wonder how he finds time to train etc.......especially while he is plating that gay lad off Emmerdale as well!!
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Foster has had a great season for Blues, that was a big win for them yesterday.
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Could still be in big trouble for these last two games I think. Winnable home game against Fulham next but if Wigan and Wolves both get results in their games next weekend and Blues don't then they have to go away to Spurs on the last day which isn't an easy game at any time.
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Foster made some great saves for Blues the other day, must beat Fulham. But jsut in the last few weeks Blackpool and West Ham have got a point there so they have a chance.
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I think theyll have enough to stay up this season.
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I do to, but they do need a much better striker that what they have got for next season.
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I do to, but they do need a much better striker that what they have got for next season.
They will probably upgrade the forward yes, but then again it looks like Larsson wants out of there which would be a bit of a blow to them.
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Get's worse for Blues, poor performance against Fulham, a long injury list and going into their tough final away game against Spurs out of form and now have two players going out drinking until the early hours.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/birmingham-city/8519916/Birmingham-City-goalkeepers-Ben-Foster-and-Colin-Doyle-accused-of-late-night-drinking-after-awards-ceremony.html
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Saw that story last night absolutely disgrace. Why do the clubs have the end of season parties the week before they finish though?
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Saw that story last night absolutely disgrace. Why do the clubs have the end of season parties the week before they finish though?
Even more of a disgrace when one of the alledged players was Ben Foster who had a few days earlier said he wanted to quit England so he could 'look after himself'.
And I assume they have them the week before so that the manager and players can go strait away on holiday after their final game and maximise their holiday time. But it would only be one extra day I guess.
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After they beat Sunderland, I thought they would have been safe.
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I doubt the chances of that Colin Doyle featuring would of been low anyway. Foster earns them plenty of points but then has a rush of blood. Wolves at home, Fulham at home. Their injury list is rather cruel to them with McLeish running out of options. They'd look a decent bet for relegation providing Blackpool and Wigan can take points.
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The whole monday night thing is not necessarily a bad thing, i guess we'l see on Sunday.
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It is a week before their game. Would this really effect performance?
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It is a week before their game. Would this really effect performance?
Not so much about affecting performance, more about being professional. They have the biggest game of their season next week and didn't really do themselves any favours with their performance against Fulham on saturday.
Obviously I'm not saying players aren't allowed to go out, have a good time etc but to do it two days after a bad defeat and in the week before your biggest game doesn't give out the best signals.
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Where do they go from here.
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winning the cup was there downfall to be honest
how true is it that they could be in financial trouble?
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Only one point from there last six games, Fulham and Wolves at home were the two games for them where they needed to win.
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Saturday-Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday!
Wonder if they'll sack McGleish? Like has been said,this could ruin them financially as I think we'll start to see that Yeung is a dodgy dealer.
Roger Johnson for the Albion?
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Saturday-Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday!
Wonder if they'll sack McGleish? Like has been said,this could ruin them financially as I think we'll start to see that Yeung is a dodgy dealer.
Roger Johnson for the Albion?
I dont think they will sack him in the summer, if they dont have a good start then they may do.
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Poor old Curtis "worldie" Davies :)
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The loan sigings of Davies, Bentley, and Martins proved to be awful signings.
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Would love Johnson/Dann/Gardner at the Albion.
I imagine the first 2 would be a bit pricey. Odd that they went down, still at least their boring football is gone.
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I know they have been passed for Europe for next season but surely the finances would now be revisited with relegation confirmed
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Birmingham City take up their rightful position...below us! get in. I'm going to enjoy watching them go into financial meltdown.
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Would love Johnson/Dann/Gardner at the Albion.
I imagine the first 2 would be a bit pricey. Odd that they went down, still at least their boring football is gone.
Yeah, we should try moves for Johnson and Dann, snap up the cheaper of the two.
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What a great day! Bye Bye Blues :P
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There is a quote floating round that relegation WAS NOT budgeted for, there are no flex downs in place and contracts with up to three years left on full whack.
They are in huge trouble.
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There is a quote floating round that relegation WAS NOT budgeted for, there are no flex downs in place and contracts with up to three years left on full whack.
They are in huge trouble.
That would sum up the whole attitude of complacency and misplaced self-importance which revolves around that club.
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There is a quote floating round that relegation WAS NOT budgeted for, there are no flex downs in place and contracts with up to three years left on full whack.
They are in huge trouble.
I thought he was rich Carson.He will have to dig deep
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When did we start hating Blues so much? Personally I'm not sad to see them go but won't be throwing any parties either. Although the smug bellendery from Villa fans on facebook is making me wish they stopped up.
Wouldn't mind poaching a couple of their players. Definetly wouldn't mind Johnson or Dann.
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Curtis Davies was apparently their man of the match today. Sad to see them go in honesty, wish it was Wolves but after seeing them the twice they've placed us they have been quite dreadful.
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When did we start hating Blues so much? Personally I'm not sad to see them go but won't be throwing any parties either. Although the smug bellendery from Villa fans on facebook is making me wish they stopped up.
Wouldn't mind poaching a couple of their players. Definetly wouldn't mind Johnson or Dann.
It is only me and a few others who hate them, perhaps it is my location (Quinton) and the amount of Small Heath fans I know, but yeah, I'm happy to see them go down.
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Im from Solihull. i know one dingle who i barely know and pretty much 95% of people i know are Blues fans. They have been so smug all season long and now its hit them and im delighted
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Yeung HAS NO MONEY, he's a chancer.
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Im from Solihull. i know one dingle who i barely know and pretty much 95% of people i know are Blues fans. They have been so smug all season long and now its hit them and im delighted
Bang on kidda. I know a couple of dingles and they are both very objective about football. I know 20+ bloose fans and the majority are completely deluded and look down on "little West Brom".
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I'm down Solihull way too...
Surrounded by either Villa or Blues fans...not that many baggies fans out there.
Best mate is a Blues fan, I reckon they're my 2nd fave midlands club to be honest - sad to see 'em go down...
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I wonder if they will go into administration. Really see them being in trouble now. Time for Carson to prove he has the money to keep them up.
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I think there struggle to make the play offs
Johnson
Foster
Dann
Bowyer
Carr
Larsson
Hleb
Zigic
will all leave i think
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There squad is far too small, they needed a decent striker as Jerome didnt get enough goals.
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I know 20+ bloose fans and the majority are completely deluded and look down on "little West Brom".
I have to say I've suffered the same. I've had discussions with Blues fans in the past who strangely believe that they are a much bigger club than us and more deserved of Premiership status. They seriously believe it as well, it's not said tongue in cheek.
Also, the amount of blues fans who suddenly appeared out the woodwork when they got Premiership status annoyed me a little.
If the rumours about their finances are right I guess Blues could well be gone for a long while. If that's the case, watch the Villa/Albion derby grow again. :D
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I think there struggle to make the play offs
Johnson
Foster
Dann
Bowyer
Carr
Larsson
Hleb
Zigic
will all leave i think
They wont sell everyone and besides, who would buy Bowyer and Carr at their ages?
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Haha got to hate blues and everyone should be happy now.
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and Curtis 'theres only one greedy *******' Davies is back in the champ!
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They wont sell everyone and besides, who would buy Bowyer and Carr at their ages?
Bowyer is out of contract I think.
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They wont sell everyone and besides, who would buy Bowyer and Carr at their ages?
Bowyer will go to a Promoted team Norwich perhaps ?
Same goes for Steven Carr
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A blues fan said to me tonight 'we are and always will be a bigger and better club than Albion' They really are a deluded bunch. Hope they rot in the Championship :D
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A blues fan said to me tonight 'we are and always will be a bigger and better club than Albion' They really are a deluded bunch. Hope they rot in the Championship :D
League 1 bound more like. :D
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They really must be some deluded Blues fans out there, they have won on trophy and they think there bigger than us.
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It looks like they will be keeping Alex McLeish as there manager. he taken them up before and he will feel he can do it again.
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It doesn't really give me much joy to see them relegated, think they may struggle next season though with a few players leaving.
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There will always be players that will want to go to Birmingham because they know that winthin a year they could be in the Premiership.
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I wouldn't rule out Blues coming up. There arent too many power houses in that league right now and Blackpool's side will be pulled apart so they will struggle to challenge the top 2 next season. All depends on how much relegation effects their finances and on whether Yeung is prepared to gamble but I think they might come straight back up.
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A blues fan said to me tonight 'we are and always will be a bigger and better club than Albion' They really are a deluded bunch. Hope they rot in the Championship :D
does the blues fan in question have to take regular medication!
cant say im overjoyed at their demise to be truthful
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Blues will never be bigger than us.Watch their crowds slump next season.
Time for Carson to show us what hes made of financially
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Picked this up from another Baggies forum (think they got it off a Vile forum) but a good read none the less.
Birmingham City set for the blues
Given what happened to Avram Grant and Carlo Ancelotti, Birmingham City boss Alex McLeish was lucky to make it to White Hart Lane's car park on Sunday still in employment.
Relegation is a blow for any club but relegation from the Premier League comes with added recriminations and relegation from the Premier League for a club that was not expecting it can be catastrophic.
There is a firmly-held belief at PL HQ that nobody goes bust on their watch. Pompey were the exception that proved the rule, you see. And they had it coming. But this ignores what has happened to those who crashed into the Championship and kept going until League One and/or administration broke their fall. Some are still tumbling.
This is a bit like a landlord filling a sailor on shore leave full of grog but getting him out of the door just before the furniture starts to fly and of the three relegated clubs it is Birmingham City that stagger into the night in the greatest disarray.
There are three reasons for this bleak prognosis and they can all be found in the most recent set of financial accounts filed by the club.
This time-bomb of a document provides a detailed look at City's financial health as of last summer and it was signed off by majority owner Carson Yeung and his board on 25 October. That was two days after the club had beaten Blackpool 2-0 to move into a comfortable mid-table position after nine league games.
Most of the numbers were commonplace for English football: rising television revenues cancelled out by wage inflation and the drag of debt. That said, none of the figures on their own were terrifying, not by Premier League standards.
What was scary, however, came in the notes under the subhead "going concern". It was in this section the club's precarious hold on solvency was outlined.
In short, City were projected to spend more than they had coming in even after a year that had seen TV income rise from £16m in the Championship to £42m in the Premier League.
The club's forecasts revealed £7.5m would have to be pumped in to keep the Blues inside the terms of their "agreed bank facilities" - accountants' talk for staying on top of the loan and overdraft repayments.
But there was a problem with this forecast: it was based on more of the same. The year under scrutiny had been a stellar one on and off the field. New owners, ninth in the Premier League, turnover up by 105% - if this is mid-table mediocrity could we have more of it, please.
The only concession to more negative thoughts ("the sensitised forecast") was that an additional £3m would be needed if McLeish's men misfired and could only just beat the drop.
Which brings me to the second reason for concern in Small Heath: the board's plan for filling the hole that is actually much bigger than anybody was willing to consider seven months ago.
The deficit problem was supposed to be fixed by two Hong Kong stock exchange share offerings in the club's parent company, Birmingham International Holdings (BIH).
The first placement of 450 million shares was underwritten by Kingston - a brokerage firm with investments in Hong Kong and Macau - and it raised the promised £7.15m. But the second tranche of shares, 1.1 billion of them, was meant to fly off the shelves earlier this year, bringing in £17.5m.
This was a "best efforts" placing and not underwritten, making the shares less attractive and the sale has been postponed. We are expecting some news by Wednesday but no analyst I have spoken to in Hong Kong has heard a whisper about it.
Which brings me back to the mysterious Yeung.
A barber turned entrepreneur, the Hong Kong-based businessman first came to the British football public's attention in 2007 when he bought a 29.9% stake in Birmingham City from David Sullivan and the Gold brothers. The plan was to buy the whole club soon after and build the "Birmingham brand" in China.
But two years, one of which was spent in the Championship, passed before Yeung was able to complete the deal. During this time more than a few fans wondered if this self-proclaimed billionaire was quite as rich as he claimed.
This sense of unease was compounded when the complicated deal actually went through. The new owner was really a Hong Kong-listed, Cayman Islands-registered firm called Grandtop International Holdings. Yeung was the majority shareholder of Grandtop and his actual holding in City was somewhere between 25-20%. This is where it has remained over the last 18 months or so.
While efforts to attract new investment from Asia this year have stalled, Yeung has been active in trading BIH (the holding vehicle that Grandtop became) shares, first increasing his stake to 24.9% and then diluting it to 23.3%. The club's official site currently says he owns 22.5% of the shares.
This last move, which the club said brought in £3.6m, took place earlier this month. It followed news that Yeung, who remortgaged some of his property portfolio earlier this year to raise £12m, had loaned City £4m. This is on top of existing loans of £15m.
So we have money and shares going to and fro between Yeung, his holding company and fellow "third party" investors, but no indication any of it is the fresh investment needed to fill the Premier League-sized hole in the books.
And this is the final worry for City. Relegation from the Premier League, even with parachute payments of £48m over four years, hits the bottom line hard. The Championship TV deal is a paltry £3m for each club (the worst team in the top tier earns £40m) and commercial revenues (already underwhelming at St Andrews) also suffer. You can conservatively wipe £25m from next year's revenue column.
So it is hardly surprising Yeung has told McLeish he can keep his job - it would cost £2m to sack him - but only if he gets them promoted at the first opportunity.
Monday's club statement was straight out of the crisis-control manual. Praise the fans, back the manager but hint it was his fault, remind everybody of how much money you have poured in and then praise the fans again.
But the reality is that the club's wage bill will have risen again (Nikola Zigic's four-year deal alone is worth a reported £20m), the deficit remains and will get worse and now McLeish must turn around a club that has won only two league games since 27 February. He could also lose half of his squad, which may be no bad thing if there was money to replace them but there isn't.
That late winter day, of course, was when they beat Arsenal to win their first major piece of silverware for 48 years, the Carling Cup. What should have been a passport to better and bigger things for McLeish and the Blues will next year be a painful reminder of the type of football their forecasters budgeted for but can no longer afford.
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Yet another club who have stupidly overstretched themselves only to find themselves facing financial meltdown!
But it's not like they haven't got a pot to **** in - they can always use that Mickey Mouse Cup that was so generously gifted to them ;D
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It looks like they will be keeping Alex McLeish as there manager. he taken them up before and he will feel he can do it again.
he's also got them relegated before. twice
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The real mind boggler for me was that Zigic is on near enough 100k a week !!!!!!! How on earth can Blues pay these kind of wages? And it begs the question, who else in their squad is on satupid money?
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Dont mind Bloose as a club...
Few idiots same as all clubs...
But if those figures mentioned are correct then they deserve to fail..
Too many clubs think they can spend without consequence..
Not a major backer of Ebeenezzer but credit to the bloke,under him we will never owe more than we can afford to pay...
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Dont worry folks, i am sure Carson will dig deep
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If Zigic is one 100k a week, their wage bill must be astranomical. Anyone got any ideas what their other "stars" are earning?
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I find it hard to believe that Zigic is really on 100,000. He will be on a big wage but that figure isnt realistic.
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Wouldn't perhaps that £20m deal would include transfer fee.
Not sure on the article to be honest, lacks professionalism and doesn't link any sources.
Never heard of a Revenue column & accountant speak for "agreed bank facilities" means a lot more than keeping upto date with loan repayments.
Usually means displaying a certain liquidity, & interest cover.
I don't doubt Blues financial uncertainty but I do think the article from the forum has some mischief making of it.
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Six players have left Blues, KP, Seb Larsson, Lee Bowyer, Maik Taylor, Martin Jiranek and Stuart Parnaby.
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blues are in a real mess money wise , and i would say the only reason alex is still the boss is due to how much it would cost to get rid of him ! glad not a blue nose :P
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wouldnt mind larsson.
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Apparently Larson was only on £7k a week at blues.
I"d take him as well.
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I find it hard to believe that Zigic is really on 100,000. He will be on a big wage but that figure isnt realistic.
Agree, thats a fib.
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Apparently Larson was only on £7k a week at blues.
I"d take him as well.
£7k a week :o JP will be putting in a bid :D
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Apparently so, was working with a bluenose recently, home and away merchant, seemed to know anything birmingham city, and he insisted it was right.
Must admit it does seem very low for the prem!
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Who thinks they will bounce back
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Not me.
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Lot of love for RDM on the Blues sites.
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Yes RDM for the Blues.They would like to see a little more football i hear.Alex down the Vile would be lovely jubbly
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i want blues to stay down and go bust. never mind rdm, heres hoping they get dowie.
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Lot of love for RDM on the Blues sites.
Reckon it would be a very good move for both parties. RDM's been there and done it before inheriting a relegated side and getting them back up and it would also get them playing some more attractive stuff. I would quite like this to happen actually as i really dont have a problem with most blues fans
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Reckon it would be a very good move for both parties. RDM's been there and done it before inheriting a relegated side and getting them back up and it would also get them playing some more attractive stuff. I would quite like this to happen actually as i really dont have a problem with most blues fans
He did but we held on to most of our players and bought more in. Blues are in dire straights financially and have many players out of contract. They have the potential to drop another division let alone go back up!
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He did but we held on to most of our players and bought more in. Blues are in dire straights financially and have many players out of contract. They have the potential to drop another division let alone go back up!
If he's got any sense RDM will leave them well alone - dread to think what kind of squad they will have left come the start of the season.
I do think Marlon King will cause havoc in Europe though - the pubs, clubs and ladies throughout Europe may never be the same again ::)
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Blues are close to finalising the signings of Senegalese midfielder Morgaro Gomis from Dundee Utd and striker Danny Koevermans from PSV
from tom ross on fb.
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tom ross also thinks no way alex to villa :P
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Blues seem to be bringing in a few players early this summer.
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i didnt think thay had any money and are in dire straits .
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Saw this and thought it was quite amusing ;D
'My mate reckons McLeish resigned because Carson Yeung ate his cat.
Thats the first time anyone's been caught eating pussy in the Blues boardroom since Barry Fry walked in on Paul Peschisolido going down on Karren Brady.'
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I hate to say it but I think there are too many clubs too close together in and around the West Midlands, sharing a limited fan base. In the long term, I think it would benefit the Albion if one of them were to drop off the map a little. ;)
I'd love it to be Villa, but if it's Blues, then so be it. ;D
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billy davies is off to blues apparently. ;D
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Dark days at the Blues.Do they trust their owners, i wonder
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Dark days at the Blues.Do they trust their owners, i wonder
I wouldn't, and nor does McLeish seemingly.
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(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250594_2158801569226_1222121376_2727404_6347643_n.jpg)
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^^ ;D
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RDM linked to it in Brum Mail.
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I think Hughton would be their best bet. If they want to bounce back asap they should go for the safer option and have someone who has experienced getting out that league.
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If Blouse appoint Davies, then they will be stuck in the championship for a long time!
Go get him Carson ;D
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Very good picture, RDM or Hughton would be the two best options for Blues.
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The draw for the UEEFA cup as just been made.The Blues have got Rapid Demise
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Very good mate, I think it will be a long hard season for Birmingham, there season does start early.
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The more I read from the blouse chairman the more I smile. He is a deluded little man
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Their finances must be kind of ok if they have been granted by Ueefa a place in its competition
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Their finances must be kind of ok if they have been granted by Ueefa a place in its competition
Didn't Pompey play in Europe?
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Didn't Pompey play in Europe?
I understand what you are saying but Uefa are pretty strict on clubs with debt
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Alex McLeish quit over transfers.
Carson Yeung said to him. ‘Wa yu wan faw playas in suma?’
Mcleish replied. ‘6 defenders.'
Yeung came back with Marlon King.
Mcleish. ‘I said 6 defenders, not sex offenders!’
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Didn't Pompey play in Europe?
They did after winning the Cup against Cardiff in 2008. This was before it became clear about their financial situation and they still remained a Premier League Club.
Under normal cicrumstances would have been eligible to participate in last season's competition, having been beaten finalists against Chelsea who already claimed a Champion's League spot, but they didn't/weren't able to apply for the licence due to their finances.
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rdm has been interviewed, don't do it robbie :(
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RDM got us up with a team easilly good enough, im not sure he's the fire fighter Brum need.
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RDM is a good manager but anybody would have got our squad of players up.Different kettle of fish at Blues.A massive challenge for anybody
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Not sure if this goes here. But i was just wondering on people's views about di matteo holding talks with blues over managerial post.
Good choice for him IMO. Hope he does well if he gets it.
Views please??
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Yes I would wish him all the best, be interesting to see how he would do there with no 'Dan Ashworth' figure, i wonder if he would come back in for any of our players too?
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That's a good point too. Maybe someone like miller or bednar or cech on loan. He was a big fan of cech! Can see him trying to prize some of our squad away to be fair
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I think if given time to build a better footballing side he could do wonders there but i doubt the fans would be willing to give him time. Most of the blue noses i know are adament that whoever the manager they will win the league next season :o
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RDM being linked to them quite strongly?
I have to admit that I'm going to miss his style of football and it's a shame we had to say goodbye when we did. On the world stage, playing like that right now is very much seen as in vogue.
Still, there's no denying that by the time it came just late winter, he, for whatever reasons, seemed to be out of ideas and had lost the plot a little.
However, he's a young manager, still learning the game, some of the stuff he played with us was superb, we outplayed the likes of United.
If he's going to take on Brum, he needs to be allowed time, he's not taking over a Mowbray side here.
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(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250594_2158801569226_1222121376_2727404_6347643_n.jpg)
I did enjoy that one. :D
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Looks like Hughton has got the job
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/birmingham-city/8590357/Birmingham-City-name-Chris-Hughton-as-new-manager-following-Alex-McLeishs-departure.html
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CH is the right man for blues IMO.
The owners had a very strong list of candidates to chose from, including a fairly recent Championship winner (CH), runner up (RDM) and play off winner (Darren Moore).
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Good appointment for Blues I think. Best man available.
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I dont fancy them to bounce back at all.
Who was it that Signed Marlon King & Chris Burke by the way?
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I dont fancy them to bounce back at all.
Who was it that Signed Marlon King & Chris Burke by the way?
mcleish. 2 top signings at that level
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Apparently it was all down to the interview - Hughton turned up with a Dossier on every member of the Blues squad while Di Matteo......didn't.
You don't just walk into these jobs, you have to work to get them and even harder to keep them.
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Would be a good appointment but i still dont see them bouncing back next season, i think it will take them longer to re-build a strong enough squad to get back in the prem
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I notice he's been confirmed as the new boss, a good appointment for them but I think they could struggle to bounce back at the first attempt.
I'm not sure if they have to qualify for the group stages of the Europa League or if they are already in it having won the cup but they will need a decent squad to cope with the extra games. He already had a better side with Newcastle than Birmingham have now when they ran away with the Championship but Blues are set to lose some of their bigger name players with a real re-building job on their hands so they could be in for a frustrating season.
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Chris Hughton is the new Birmingham manager good apointment for them, although he does need to bring in a few players in the summer.
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"A club statement released on Saturday read:
"The club is disturbed and very concerned with the recent reporting by selective, and we believe agenda-led, reporters suggesting that the Birmingham City board had interfered with the previous manager in the transfer market.
"It is reiterated very strongly that there is a robust system in place whereby only players with the written authorisation of the manager had ever arrived at the club under the previous manager and will still be the case going forward.
"Players recommended by the board, such as (Ryan) Babel, (Peter) Odemwingie, (Jermaine) Pennant and a Chinese player, for commercial reasons, didn't arrive as no approval was forthcoming from the manager"
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/alex-mcleish.html
So when was this, before the start of last season or after? Either way, if true, a bad decision by McLeish not to approve of Pete. ;D
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So he prefered Zigic for £7m :)
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So he prefered Zigic for £7m :)
It would have been a tall order for Zigic, to reach the heights Odemwingie achieved this season.
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I think Blues will be there or there abouts come the end of the season.
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http://www.bcfc.com/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10412~2383780,00.html
Birmingham City's Acting Chairman Peter Pannu wishes to put out a statement informing the public that President Carson Yeung is assisting the Police in Hong Kong in relation to certain criminal investigations which at this stage he believes do not have any connection to the operation of the parent company or any of its subsidiaries.
Pannu said: "I have just had a call from the Birmingham International Holdings lawyers informing me of the position in Hong Kong and I have also been informed by them that Carson is assisting with enquiries that have nothing to do with the operation of BIHL in Hong Kong and therefore nothing to do with the operation of the club, and relate to other matters.
"People are reminded that in recent years members of the previous Board were placed on bail for a significant amount of time and nothing came of it. I am only using this as an example to calm any fears.
"The law says a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
"Until I find out more information about this matter there is no further comment to be made."
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They've also asked Hibernian for permission to speak to Colin Calderwood about becoming Chris Hughton's number two as he was at Newcastle.
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Birmingham have brought Adam Rooney today.
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Birmingham have brought Adam Rooney today.
Well that should sell some shirts. ;D
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Yes it may well do, scored quite a 21 goals last season in the SPL
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Charlie Yeung appeared in court in Hong Kong on money-laundering charges. He has been charged of five counts.
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Thank Christ we have Jeremy
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Charlie Yeung appeared in court in Hong Kong on money-laundering charges. He has been charged of five counts.
Yes, just read that. Oh dear. ;D
"Birmingham City could be facing a fire-sale both on and off the pitch if owner Carson Yeung is convicted of money-laundering.
The future of the Championship club looks in serious doubt after the businessman heard five charges against him totalling £59million in a Hong Kong magistrates' court.
According to laws concerning the seizure of assets, Birmingham's owner could serve a 14-year jail term and, as a consequence, may be stripped of his shareholding."
That would leave the St Andrew's club in a perilous position, with the ensuing financial uncertainty likely to force them into hawking off players in a bid to raise cash.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2010062/Carson-Yeungs-trial-puts-Birmingham-peril.html#ixzz1Qrk73ox5
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They really are a club in the S***, although i hate them i do feel sorry for some of their supporters. Since that cup win its been all downhill and no real signs of it turning around. Cannot see them coming back at the first chance. With players like Foster, Dann, Johnson, Ridgewell, Ferguson and for some reason Jerome all wanted by PL clubs i can see most of them leaving and the money disappearing somewhere.
Really am glad we have JP
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Sorry, I've got no sympathy.
They were getting far too big for their boots.
You could see they had a fall coming.
Build your foundations on sand and don't be surprised when the house falls down.
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They have brought in Steven Caldwell from Wigan.
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BIRMINGHAM owner Carson Yeung’s personal assets are set to be frozen by a Hong Kong court – and that could spell trouble for the Championship club.
Yeung is currently on bail in the Far East on money-laundering charges totalling £59million.
Now prosecutors have started moves to stop him accessing his personal bank accounts.
Yeung has under-written loans to keep Birmingham afloat but he will be unable to do so again if the club need an emergency cash boost.
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/07/10/birmingham-in-crisis-as-owner-yeung-has-assets-frozen-by-hong-kong-court-102039-23260010/
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May help clubs with a raid on their key players.
Perhaps a Ridgewell & Foster raid on the cards for us.
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Shame for Blues but the should have learnt from Man Citys mistake with Asian owners...most of them are dodgy businessmen
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Shame for Blues but the should have learnt from Man Citys mistake with Asian owners...most of them are dodgy businessmen
Its not the blues as a whole though is it? It was Sullivans and Golds decision to sell. The fans have no say as we know.
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Thats why you should be careful what you wish for.
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I think I may have a bet on these for relegation.
Players out and nothing of real championship quality coming in.
Someone will get a good deal with Foster, shame it won't be us.
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http://i51.tinypic.com/2qrzn6g.jpg
Birmingham's new third kit. Looks fairly familiar...
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I think there in the deep stuff this season, Foster will leave , so will Dann , i dont think there get Relegated but they will be around mid-table i think
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http://i51.tinypic.com/2qrzn6g.jpg
Birmingham's new third kit. Looks fairly familiar...
Very nice IMO, the home and other change shirt look very tacky.
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I think there in the deep stuff this season, Foster will leave , so will Dann , i dont think there get Relegated but they will be around mid-table i think
I agree. I doubt they'll be at either end of the table. Whilst they are losing stars, we have to remember just how terrible the bottom 5 of the Championship usually is. The likes of Barnsley, Crystal Palace and Watford all usually hover above the drop and their teams will be much worse than the Blues. I think if anything they'll threaten for the play-offs.
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I think if Dann and Foster leave and they dont get good replacements for them, then I think it will be a very hard season, it will intresting to see how many season tickets the have sold, they were getting crowds of about 17 thousand last time they were in the Championship.
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Paul Trollope is the new first team coach at Birmingham City.
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Really are in turmoil. They did need their egos deflating after the Carling Cup win. Would love us to snatch one of their players on the cheap. My mates who are Bluenoses are already seething after loosing Johnson to 'a club like Wolves'
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I don't mind Blues and wouldn't mind seeing them come back up but after beating them at their place in the league I remember how wild our celebrations were compared to their relaxed cheers when they scored and that sort of epitomized the way they were about their league position they always thought they would sneak out of it. I remember Roger Johnson in an interview saying the players weren't even thinking of relegation and more like top half. That said I'm sure everyone would be up for another 6 points from them in a seasons time (championship or premier league).
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Barry Ferguson has now gone to Blackpool.
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sinking ship. will be lucky to make the play offs.
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(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250594_2158801569226_1222121376_2727404_6347643_n.jpg)
Most definitely a sinking ship
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I'd love Foster to join us for a couple of reasons: 1) he is a very good goalie and 2) Small Heath fans seem to think that we are too small to sign one of their players.
Deluded idiots.
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Blues are in a real big mess. Looks like they are being asset stipped at the moment as reports are none of the money is going into BCFC and is in fact going into BIH which is basically Carson Yeungs own pot of gold in the east. Anybody watch the dispatches program?...
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Blues are in a real big mess. Looks like they are being asset stipped at the moment as reports are none of the money is going into BCFC and is in fact going into BIH which is basically Carson Yeungs own pot of gold in the east. Anybody watch the dispatches program?...
Cue Bryan Robson and his 'mate' Joe Sim.............
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I see that sky sports news were at the Blues today for an open training session. They then went through the squad of who had left and who had joined to show what a mess they were in. They somehow forgot to mention their Keeper had left and they had a new one on loan. Just thought it was another example of how terrible they can be at times.
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Blues have brought in Jonathan Spector today.
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Blues have brought in Jonathan Spector today.
Oh deary me, how the mighty have fallen
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He drives me crazy. Hopefully Klinsmann will erase his name from the US list permanently.
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He drives me crazy. Hopefully Klinsmann will erase his name from the US list permanently.
I thought he was one of your superstars :D
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It looks like Jerome wont be going to Fulham, they have failed in there bid to sign him.
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Can't believe some comments I've seen from Blues fans after we have loaned them Wood. I know I'm biased but how can Blues really be considered a bigger club than us?
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Can't believe some comments I've seen from Blues fans after we have loaned them Wood. I know I'm biased but how can Blues really be considered a bigger club than us?
Got a link? I have not seen anything but have heard all about it.
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The bitterness from them is great, the delusions are even better. I'll never forget them last season when they turned up to the Hawthorns thinking they were much better than we were and looked down on us after surviving just one season and we turned them over twice with relative ease, spunking millions on players doesn't guarantee you success as they now know.
I never had any problems with Blues until last season to be honest, now I just smirk thinking about the problems they are going through but still they have their little European adventure to look forward to taking their minds off their club falling to pieces financially.
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Got a link? I have not seen anything but have heard all about it.
I read some hilarious posts on Tom Ross from BRMB's Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/thegoalzone?sk=wall&filter=2
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Facebook, say no more :-X
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Blouse fans will bark on all season about how they are going to get Foster back. It's going to be a long season with the majority shareholder at work and a close friend being a bluenose.
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Looking forward to seeing there line up tomorrow at Derby.
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Quite a stong line for Birmingham today, Myhill starts.
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Blues have never really bothered me and usually i would wish them well and hope they come back up but with the Foster circumstances my thoughts have now changed. Although i would like to see Wood and Myhill do well there.
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Same here really, and that quite a lot of there fans think there a bigger club than us.
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Myhill getting stick for both derby goals.
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http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,622820 ohh dear they dont like myhill :D
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A few Blues fans, are saying that the defence should have done better, closing down.
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On their day Blues have actually got a great starting 11 for that division but the problem is their squad is so small and fragile. It's thrown together of kids, oldies and rejects from their own club or others. I really doubt they'll come back up but as said, they won't go down either.
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Myhill, Top Keeper, good bit of business swapping Foster with him, well done Birmingham! :-*
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Middlesbrough 3 - 1 Birmingham
Blues struggling a bit so far. :)
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Poor start for Blues, Boro are quite a strong team though.
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Did Chris play and if he did how did he perform
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On their day Blues have actually got a great starting 11 for that division but the problem is their squad is so small and fragile. It's thrown together of kids, oldies and rejects from their own club or others. I really doubt they'll come back up but as said, they won't go down either.
please name me that great centre-midfeild partnership then ?
I was listening to Tom Ross doing the commentary with Tommy Mooney and couldnt believe how
delusional they both were,if they honestly think Blues wont go down to league 1 with that team
then they must be living in cloud cuckoo land!!!!!
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They arent quite league 1 material rainbow but they certainly arent promotion candidates either.
At the moment on their books they still have players who could play for top flight teams and players good enough for top championship clubs including Dann, Davies, Zigic, Jerome, King, Burke, Carr, Ridgewell and maybe Fahey and Beausejour. If they lose more players this summer and they will probably lose Dann then they are in trouble but I dont think they are going to league 1 this season.
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I'd be surprised if the Blues don't mirror Portsmouth's season from last year, the first team is too strong to go down, but the overall squad doesn't have the depth to stay up either. They'll hover around mid-table for most the season I suspect, not particularly threatening promotion or relegation.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they throw the Europa league game either, its going to be a lot of strain on a small squad and realistically they're not going to get out the groups anyway, plus I believe it actually costs clubs more money than they earn in the Europa league.
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Apart from Chris Lepkowski who received the information from somebody at the club, im still to find anybody else who can corroborate that fact Dan. In fact, the reason it goes on so long in it's current over blown format is down to money apparently so somebody must be making money from it some how.
I just dont think you make big money until later on in the tournament.
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Liverpool have now let a defender go so you would think one is coming in
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Can someone honestly tell me the last time Curti$ Davie$ strung five decent performances together?
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Liverpool have now let a defender go so you would think one is coming in
Correct, Seb Coates ;D
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Can someone honestly tell me the last time Curti$ Davie$ strung five decent performances together?
The 06/07 season maybe, under mowbray?? After he left he's been god dam awful, much to our delight ;D
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Really wish ITV were showing the Blues game tonight instead of Spurs v Hearts. What's the point showing the Spurs game when they're 5-0 up? The Blues game or even the Stoke game would be a lot more interesting.
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Really wish ITV were showing the Blues game tonight instead of Spurs v Hearts. What's the point showing the Spurs game when they're 5-0 up? The Blues game or even the Stoke game would be a lot more interesting.
Very much agree. Pointless tie the Spurs one no common sense in that. Tickets only £10 which is great value really.
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anyone got a stream for it as myp2p seems to be down and not working?
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anyone got a stream for it as myp2p seems to be down and not working?
http://eplsite.org/channel6.html
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Don't envy their predicament off the pitch and their being in the Championship, but it must be an amazing feeling watching your team play in a European game.
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Wood has scored in Europe! 3 - 0 Blues now
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Anyone who wants to use my p2p the new site is www.myp2p.bz, the .eu one was taken down, this one isn't quite as good but they are working on it apparently.
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Was Wood's goal any good? I think he had a mixed night going on the radio but it's good to see him score a goal.
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His goal was a very close finish/ tap-in but it's good that he finally got his first goal for them. Their winger Redmond was a real threat and i can see him going to a big team pretty soon (especially since he's only 17).
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His goal was a very close finish/ tap-in but it's good that he finally got his first goal for them. Their winger Redmond was a real threat and i can see him going to a big team pretty soon (especially since he's only 17).
I am actually quite pleased that the goal he scored was essentially a tap-in. Think he is a player with bags of talent and great to hear him progress. Just my one main concern from few games I've seen of him was that he was going to be like Craig Beattie with regards to finishing. Scoring a few crackers but missing the sitters.
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Wood's goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6c5DaKLTng
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Pleased to see Chris Wood get a couple of goals last week.
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Pleased to see Chris Wood get a couple of goals last week.
Was a nice finish against Watford as well.
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A season long loan wont do him any harm
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It wont, and he will be playing quite a lot as well.
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So do they now have a squad capable of getting back up
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So do they now have a squad capable of getting back up
When all their players are back from injury, yes. At the moment though they haven't.
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Even when those players do get back from injury I dont think they will go up, one win from five so far this season.
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Pablo hasn't even made the blues bench today.
He's a strange one.
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It certainly makes you wonder if hes a seriously bad egg
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Here we go again, lol.
Could have a knock but if he stays out of their squad for a few games you know something aint right with him.
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I thought he would have at least been on the bench for the game today.
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1-0 Blues Wood scores again
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Glad to see Chris Wood score again.
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2 - 0 Blues (Wood)
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Wood hat-trick! ;D
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Very very very good!
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Great to see Wood to get his hatrick today, really will do a lot for his confidence.
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The Blues could struggle to stay up this season.
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I think they will do a pompy and just hover around mid-table.
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Too many games due to the Europa League could make your prediction correct, I think its worrying times and I can only see relegation if they dont buy in January
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If my choice is get hammered in the Europa League or wind up in League One, I know what I'd pick.
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If Hugton keeps them up then he would have done bery well.
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Blues won away at Maribor tonight 2-1. Fantastic second half performance.
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I didnt think Blues would have won that one.
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Big game for Blues tomorrow at Forest, that is a must win game for them.
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A great few days for Blues.
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Surprised they won today. Great stuff from Chrissy Wood. Hopefully playing regular in the Champo can help him into a top striker
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Hopefully he can keep banging them in for Blues.
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Pablo hasn't even made the blues bench today.
He's a strange one.
Nice work if you can get it.
I hear that Myhill is starting to settle in.
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One of the local reporters from the game the other night reckons Pablo was man of the match at Forest.
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One of the local reporters from the game the other night reckons Pablo was man of the match at Forest.
Good to hear that about Pablo, seems all three of our former players are doing pretty well.
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Good to hear that about Pablo, seems all three of our former players are doing pretty well.
Aren't two of them still our players?
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Too very good back to back wins for Birmingham.
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Aren't two of them still our players?
Yes, and the other one probably should be, but that's another story. Having said that, I doubt if we will see Myhill back at the Albion. Clearly he wants first team football and I can't see him getting it here
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Seems there's a serious injury to Pablo Ibanez. Being stretchered off. I wish him well.
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Wishing Pablo the best.
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I'm feeling rather jealous of Blues at the minute. Back to back away wins in Europe. Forget their money issues, Chris Hughton is doing a marvellous job there. Quite an astonishing acheivment.
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I'm feeling rather jealous of Blues at the minute. Back to back away wins in Europe. Forget their money issues, Chris Hughton is doing a marvellous job there. Quite an astonishing acheivment.
They've got 2 Albion players playing regularly for them (and an ex one in Ibanez) with Wood in particularly crucial to their success so far, we should really be getting a lot of credit for their run. Our reserves essentially doing well in europe. Particularly when you consider Donk and Hoefkens both start for Bruges.
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Three great wins for Blues in a row, but I wouldnt swap our postion in a month of Sunday's.
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Another good win for Blues today, must be really good been a Blue nose and an Albion fan at the minute.
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Well done Blues.Great job your manager is doing
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I still think theyll sneak the playoffs and potentially win it.
Depends on injuries and how far they go in Europe.
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They could do, after a slow start there picking it up now.
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Playyyy Up Pompeyyy ;D ;D Really hope they miss out on the Play offs
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Just checking the small Heath forrum just to see what they were saying about foster. And was quite shocked to see how much abuse we were getting by the blue noses. Some seem to be very jelous of us and they don't like the fact were taking there best players ;D They seem to think we're a small club with no money and were lucky to be in the prem. I think there jelous that we have leapfrogged them :D very bitter bunch hope they stay down
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They seem to think we're a small club with no money and were lucky to be in the prem.
This is what always got me with the City fans I've met (at least while they were sunning it in the Prem)... it's like, hold on a minute, you're Birmingham City FC.
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Its most likely they will loose their manager as well as their star players next season if they don't get back up
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Its most likely they will loose their manager as well as their star players next season if they don't get back up
Agree, Hopefully we can get CH if Roy decides to leave.
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They seem to think we're a small club with no money and were lucky to be in the prem.
That has to be ironic, surely?
They're a smaller team and broke to boot. Have they not got a mirror in Small Heath?
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I like the blue boys, cant understand why redmond is on the bench every week seems to be the next best thing from what they say.
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I can understand their frustrations to be honest, they've been equal/better than us for over a decade bar a couple of seasons, and now we're buying their best players and they've relied on loans from us.
Its all rooted in jealousy really. We've always been the poor club of the Midlands (aside from Walsall of course) and they've spent pretty big over the last 10 years, on big name players, yet here we are.
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I can understand their frustrations to be honest, they've been equal/better than us for over a decade bar a couple of seasons, and now we're buying their best players and they've relied on loans from us.
Its all rooted in jealousy really. We've always been the poor club of the Midlands (aside from Walsall of course) and they've spent pretty big over the last 10 years, on big name players, yet here we are.
Well said mate. Jealousy is a funny thing.
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They are proper jealous of us, you can tell that when Albion took over 3 pubs in Brum against villa away this season, a couple of bluenoses was in their and couldnt stand us having a rivalry with villa, keep em down there with the dingles and watch it blossom, taking there best players...what a shame.
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I hate Blues, i have a lot of bluenose mates. All they go on about is when they won the Carling cup. They have always been smaller than us and always will be
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just been on there forum. They said All albion fans think that Albion are backwards as a club, becuase there 14th
we are going a lot more forward, as a club than what they are.
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I think a few years with Gold and Sullivan spending a few quid has made many of them deluded, who can forget the Leyland DAF Cup victory :o , now the money has gone they are sliding back to where they belong, looking down on the dingles but looking up with envy at us and the vile
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I hate Blues, i have a lot of bluenose mates. All they go on about is when they won the Carling cup. They have always been smaller than us and always will be
Birmingham 'we won the Carling Cup' City are the new Aston 'we won the European Cup' Villa, just slightly more pathetic.
I had a look on that forum and I was shocked at how bitter they all are. When did that happen? They always seemed a friendlyish bunch who held the same amicable opinion of us as the one most Albion fans hold of them. I guess it's just jealousy seeping it. It also was quite amusing to see them taking the mick out of us for not being high spenders, yes Peace is a tight backside but at least he hasn't taken us to the brink of financial oblivion like their owners did (which they're still recovering from with the same people in charge of them). People in glass houses and all that...
If I'm honest I can barely bring myself to give a toss about Birmingham City, I want them to stay down this season for the sake of the Foster situation, but after that I couldn't care less what happens to them whether it's positive or negative. Wolves and Villa are our rivals, they're the teams who matches against really mean something, Blues are just another club. Admittedly beating them is nice because they're a local team but that's about it. I don't think they're even our 'third rivals' any more, that accolade goes to Stoke.
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The didn't even get a decent team whilst bankrupting themselves ffs.
Only a brummie could be that stupid.
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stereotyping against all people from brum, when a huge proportion of our fans are brummies, good one mate... very mature!
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stereotyping against all people from brum, when a huge proportion of our fans are brummies, good one mate... very mature!
I think it was a bit tongue in cheek ;)
Hold on a minute............ I'm a Brummie :o :o ya cheeky git Rowley :-*
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They are getting as deluded as the Villa fans, a reality check needed over at St Andrews i think!!!
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Can someone link the thread please? I am curious and can't find it.
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stereotyping against all people from brum, when a huge proportion of our fans are brummies, good one mate... very mature!
As dontaskmetochosseluv says, he clearly said it tongue in cheek.
Having taken enough stick from brummies both working in brum for over half a decade and even before that at school, I can safely say this is just standard harmless Brummie/Black country banter.
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On topic, there is something ironic about us calling them arrogant and then going on to say how much bigger we are than them :-\ :D.
I have no real animosity towards our EQUAL SIZED neighbours (oh come on we havent won anything since 68 and our attendances have been similar for years) from the far side of Birmingham. If they are taking the mick out of us, I dont really care because if they fail to get promotion this year they will require another bail out from their incarcerated owner, while we continue to establish ourselves in the league with a far more established business plan as we go into the FFP era.
I do hope they stay down though - for as long as possible. It's not just Foster - it is all of those 10 year olds in Birmingham ho dont want to be a seal but still want to support a premier league team ;).
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Perspective alert!!! only 1 league title,2 runners up, 5 FA cups 5 runners up, 20 odd years more in the top flight than them (and 12 top 6 finishes in the top flight compared to their 1 ) to go before they can compare themselves to us. ;D
Yawn....stretch........fart........yawn........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Need some lemsip for that cold, jonas ;)
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Blues beat doncaster 3-1 tonight
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Just heard that Trevor Francis has had a heart attack tonight. Get well soon TF
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On topic, there is something ironic about us calling them arrogant and then going on to say how much bigger we are than them :-\ :D.
I'd say no myself, we are a bigger club in my humble opinion.
Ignoring history, which we win hands down, Brum has largely been propped up by wealthy owners for the last decade or so, without that I'm not quite sure where they would be, I doubt they'd have ever appeared in the Premiership without it.
I'd say they sit quite comfortably behind Albion and Wolves in regards to WM clubs.
Having said all that, full credit to them for winning the Carling Cup, you can't take that away from them, at least they've won something recently and for that they deserve great credit!
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As far as rivalry goes, I've met some real arrogant blue noses whilst they were in the Prem' and we were doomed to go down. For that reason, I can't help but chuckle if they don't come up this year. ;D
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Just heard that Trevor Francis has had a heart attack tonight. Get well soon TF
Yes, good luck to him. I'd have quite liked to have seen him take Blues up at the time.
I know I'm one of the very few, but I actually don't mind his TV commentary. :o
Hope he gets well soon.
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Just heard that Trevor Francis has had a heart attack tonight. Get well soon TF
Blimey :o
Get well soon Trev
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Just heard that Trevor Francis has had a heart attack tonight. Get well soon TF
Get well soon Trevor
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Get well Trevor!
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Get well soon, tosser :)
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The Blues have failed to publish accounts again and have postponed publication until 31st July. This means they will be under a transfer embargo at least until that date. I assume it will mean they are unable to sign players but will be permitted to sell players. How this will impact our attempts to sign Foster is anyone's guess but regardless of which division they are in they must look like an increasingly unattractive proposition to a player of Foster's calibre.
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I read they are crapping themselves, worried we might steel their manager but dont worry Mt tattums blog should ease their worries were he goes on to say they (Blues) are a better bet for Hughton and is going to the Albion really a step up
come on Blackpool make sure you beat Englands second city second team who can only dream of winning a league and 5 fa cups
They have a thread on us like we have on them. On the SHA. Most of think they are massive and we are wee little minors. I think they are just worried they might loose their manager to us
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I read they are crapping themselves, worried we might steel their manager but dont worry Mt tattums blog should ease their worries were he goes on to say they (Blues) are a better bet for Hughton and is going to the Albion really a step up
come on Blackpool make sure you beat Englands second city second team who can only dream of winning a league and 5 fa cups
They have a thread on us like we have on them. On the SHA. Most of think they are massive and we are wee little minors. I think they are just worried they might loose their manager to us
Most my friends are Blues fans as is my missus, I think it's a shame they find themselves in the do do, they are a similar sized club to us, they haven't won as much, but in size terms (support) they are every bit as big, and IMO if they ever sorted themselves out and started to compete they would easily be the biggest supported club in the West Midlands.
This isn't an Albion bash, but we think we're bigger than what we are in terms of support, Blues have averaged over 30,000 11 times the last in 1975, Albion 9 times the last in 1959.
Whilst I'm a fiercely proud Baggie, I don't think we should turn into Wolves or Villa who thrive on belittling other teams and believing their own mis-guided hype, the very reason I hate both clubs and think Birmingham City are a stand up club, good luck in the play offs Blues (and thanks for you manager!!)
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I disagree.They are a joke club and always have been. In most of my years always had dodgy owners.Probably run worse than the dingles.Under a transfer embargo and all that.Wipe that snot
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I disagree.They are a joke club and always have been. In most of my years always had dodgy owners.Probably run worse than the dingles.Under a transfer embargo and all that.Wipe that snot
agree to disagree on this one; why do you think they are a joke club? check your history out, because if that's the line you are taking then we are a joke club to Wolves and Villa on every level. Not nice and unnecessary.
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Come on Blackpool stuff this tinpot club
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Come on Blackpool! Keep them down for one more season so we can have their goalie (who wants to sign anyway) and manager!
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Apparently Rangers and Portsmouth are going to hold a benefit match for Blues........
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It's interesting that everybody is baying for Birmingham to loose in the play-offs so we can have their manager, but if Chris Hughton is as good as manager as a lot think he is (myself included) then surely we'd expect him to make Brum good enough to beat Blackpool at the very least.
It's understandable in some respects but also quite perverse in another way when you think about it.
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agree to disagree on this one; why do you think they are a joke club? check your history out, because if that's the line you are taking then we are a joke club to Wolves and Villa on every level. Not nice and unnecessary.
They are a joke club as they`ve never won anything and the only people who support them are
`Fat Barry`!! and Jasper Carrot.
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Remember seeing a thread on one of their forums recently where they slagged us off for not beating Villa and called both us and the Seals "s*** teams" which I thought was pretty amusing.
Hopefully we keep their keeper, nick their manager and they stay down.
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Come on Blackpool.Apart from Walsall make sure you beat the worst West Midlands club
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Hopefully they get a tanking tonight.
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Tonights game could be one of the most important for our club in ages..
Manager and goalkeeper possibilities...
I think they will draw and go out.... then the meltdown of the finances will really begin.
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At least they won the league cup. :P
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Get The Money Out Ya Pocket And Sign Foster!
Best Result of The Season For Us Baggies!
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Have to feel a bit for Blues tonight,they have had a super season in all with left over players and rejects from other clubs.To play that many games and come that close really isn't anything to gloat about for us or Villa fans in fairness,unlucky Blues... as we know the play offs can be cruel.
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Well that's Brum done for a while then.
I remember when we were going down and speaking to some Blues fans about it and basically they thought Albion a little club compared to them. I think the faux few years in the Prem went to some of their fans heads. I can't say I'm crying for them tonight to be honest.
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No sympathy for them
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I do feel for the noses. They may be the 'ginger headed step sons' of Birmingham, but they have had a fantastic season under the circumstances. The club has been run so poorly and I fear life may get very tough for them in the not too distant future.....it's not the fans fault and I hope they get 6 points off Redrow PLC next season.
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I'm okay with it. It's just too bad the Vile won't be down there to keep them company. If they want to attend a PL game, they know where our ground is.
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Can Blues sell players whilst under a transfer embargo?
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A transfer embargo usually means they can't sign players but they can still sell them
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A transfer embargo usually means they can't sign players but they can still sell them
Correct.....unless the player signed is under 18 (normally).
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Yes they can still buy under 18 players as Sconesy points out. I know that applies to Rangers anyway.
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Great game, great night, great result. Staying down. Fantastic :)
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When we played weakened teams in the cup,we slated the club for the lack of ambition, well Blues had the ambition to win the League Cup, now look at the price they are paying, playing in the Europa League has cost them again, now they are probably stuck in the Championship for a good while, and about to be raped for their manager and best player.
Its a hard world where bad decisions can be punished for a long time.
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won a cup with players bought with money they didnt have reeks of portsmouth.
awell the result suits us i guess, hopefully that will lead to the foster deal becoming one of a permenant nature
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When we played weakened teams in the cup,we slated the club for the lack of ambition, well Blues had the ambition to win the League Cup, now look at the price they are paying, playing in the Europa League has cost them again, now they are probably stuck in the Championship for a good while, and about to be raped for their manager and best player.
Its a hard world where bad decisions can be punished for a long time.
They're not in trouble for winning a cup, they're in trouble for spending beyond their means for several years. The roosters have finally come home to roost.
As said by the poster above, they belong in the Portsmouth sort of bracket of clubs over recent years.
The likes of West Ham and Bolton may well soon join them.
These sort of clubs have been lauding it up on a false economy for a long while and sadly to the detriment of clubs like ours.
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They're not in trouble for winning a cup, they're in trouble for spending beyond their means for several years. The roosters have finally come home to roost.
As said by the poster above, they belong in the Portsmouth sort of bracket of clubs over recent years.
The likes of West Ham and Bolton may well soon join them.
These sort of clubs have been lauding it up on a false economy for a long while and sadly to the detriment of clubs like ours.
Yes they are, they played more games than their squad could deal with and ended up relegated.
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I hear they have potential investors, the kumars are back?
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Yes they are, they played more games than their squad could deal with and ended up relegated.
So you reckon us playing 3 extra games last season would have got us relegated?
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So you reckon us playing 3 extra games last season would have got us relegated?
They missed out on goal difference, please don't tell me the cup run did not cost them at least one league point.
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I could be wrong but to be fair to the Blues the reason they are in position they are in is largely down to the fact there owner has had all his assets froze, not because they have run out of money, he by all accounts has money but he cant spend it!
If his court thing turns out he is bent as made out then thats different and he deserves everything he gets (not sure the fans do though, its not their fault) but if he is okay and above board, unlike Pompey, Leeds, etc who spent money they didnt have, the Blues owner does have money, he just cant spend it and the Blues have suffered in the process by having to sell of their squad.
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Sam Wallace ?
Breaking: Dave Watson of Birmingham City the new England goalkeepers' coach under Roy Hodgson
Hart,Foster and Butland have come along way under him and should be England's three chosen goalkeepers as well.
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Has anyone seen Butland, is he as good as everyone is saying.
I read the other day that he is the best english goalkeeping prospect in 50 years :-\
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Yes they are, they played more games than their squad could deal with and ended up relegated.
I don't recall Wolves, Blackburn, QPR or Bolton winning any cups this year or even making it anywhere near the latter stages of the cup competitions.
Come to think of it, nor West Ham or Blackpool last season, in fact Holloway put out total second string sides in the cup.
We shall have to agree to disagree, but I think most their problems right now are down to spending at the club in the past. They'd have probably still been in trouble even had they stopped up and there was no guaranteed they'd have stayed up this season.
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I don't recall Wolves, Blackburn or Bolton winning any cups this year or even making it anywhere near the latter stages of the cup competitions.
Come to think of it, nor West Ham or Blackpool last season, in fact Holloway put out second strings sides in the cup.
Bolton got to the quarters of the FA cup
It could be argued Blackpool still overachieved regardless of relegation. They could of been a lot worse off if they did do well in the cups. It's all hypothetical anyway, no one will truly know.
We won the league the same season we got to the semis of the Fa cup cup. Would we of won it easier if we weren't distracted by the cup? Would we of played better against Pompey if we weren't trying to get promoted?
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It's all hypothetical anyway, no one will truly know.
I agree, no one can say for sure.
Mcleish has relegated them twice though and nearly did a job on Villa.
Anyway, I'd be surprised to see Blues come back up next season.
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I agree, no one can say for sure.
Mcleish has relegated them twice though and nearly did a job on Villa.
Anyway, I'd be surprised to see Blues come back up next season.
Depends who their manager is.
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Is that the same Dave Watson who used to be Barnsley's keeper? Because I really liked him, it was a shame when he got the injury that ended his career.
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Is that the same Dave Watson who used to be Barnsley's keeper? Because I really liked him, it was a shame when he got the injury that ended his career.
Yes, same one, very highly regarded coach.
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I could be wrong but to be fair to the Blues the reason they are in position they are in is largely down to the fact there owner has had all his assets froze, not because they have run out of money, he by all accounts has money but he cant spend it!
If his court thing turns out he is bent as made out then thats different and he deserves everything he gets (not sure the fans do though, its not their fault) but if he is okay and above board, unlike Pompey, Leeds, etc who spent money they didnt have, the Blues owner does have money, he just cant spend it and the Blues have suffered in the process by having to sell of their squad.
not that I paid much attention at the time
but didn't their problems really start under the previous owners?
and the only Person even interested in buying them was their current owner who dragged the process out and wasn't exactly "open & honest" about where his money came from.
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Has anyone seen Butland, is he as good as everyone is saying.
I read the other day that he is the best english goalkeeping prospect in 50 years :-\
ain't he the under 21's keeper, if so that tells you. So does Watson "new England keeping coach" saying that Butland could be better than both Foster and Hart. He's worked with all three!
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Few amusing comments about us off SHA today, seems the overall mood in South East Brum is one of bitterness and jealousy recently.
"it is a sad reflection on the Premier League that for most clubs avoiding relegation is considered a success. More so, when many see survival preferable to winning cups."
"never ever really liked the Albion but they have one mid table season and think they are the template others should admire and follow.
Becoming the black country Fulham..........another horrible club."
lol, bet they'd swap places with us in an instant though.
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Few amusing comments about us off SHA today, seems the overall mood in South East Brum is one of bitterness and jealousy recently.
"it is a sad reflection on the Premier League that for most clubs avoiding relegation is considered a success. More so, when many see survival preferable to winning cups."
"never ever really liked the Albion but they have one mid table season and think they are the template others should admire and follow.
Becoming the black country Fulham..........another horrible club."
lol, bet they'd swap places with us in an instant though.
As opposed to 'had a few decent years rescued by and then bankrolled by the porn barons who sold out to some blokes with financial issues and are now returning back to where they actually were before the money turned up. ie: back to the doldrums with the odd decent season.
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Yeah I dont understand why they think we are expecting to be "admired"
I think we are all just happy for another season of premiership football, we are in a good place- Safe for another season, financially stable and getting good results. Obviously they are annoyed about Foster and the CH speculation (which they shouldnt be, we are a more enticing prospect for players/managers right now) as well as just having a general feeling of jealousy towards "small time" West Brom doing a lot better than them.
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Has anyone seen Butland, is he as good as everyone is saying.
I read the other day that he is the best english goalkeeping prospect in 50 years :-\
Very good on Football Manager 2012 ;D
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i'm glad they'm down there, cant stand them...there like jack russell keep on at your ankles and it just wont go away...they think they're better than they am, blatenely jealous of how they're down there and us and villa have got the rivalry going again, small time for them to sing SOTV when they're down there playing barnsley next season, there just laughable...same as the dingles. love to pinch Hughton just after signing Foster
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What's horrible about fulham? Its far too middle class and polite to be anything but meh.
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Has anyone seen Butland, is he as good as everyone is saying.
I read the other day that he is the best english goalkeeping prospect in 50 years :-\
In all fairness I remember Seaman and Shilton saying the same about Adamson when he was about 18 ;D
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We are a model to be admired though.
We have never gone into major debt, never had a sugar daddy there to give us unsustainable success and instead we have used our brains and went for an intelligent, hard working structure that, in the ruins of football as the sugar daddy teams start to struggle, has been able to show a light to other clubs with back to back 11th and 10th placed finishes. Despite spending million they didnt have, Birmingham have finished 9th once and 10th once - so the same number of finishes above 12th as us.
I just hope they dont come up any time soon - all those young Blue noses can always come down the Hawthorns :D.
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Accounts due out today
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Accounts due out today
Further delay with accounts, now not due untill the end of the month, serious problems looming for Blues, Hughton would be better of jumping on to a stable ship.
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So what are Birmingham fans saying about us possibly nicking their manager?
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We are a Small time club and never won feck all according to a Blues fan on SMA, He must still be a teenie boppa. I see he added a picture of Blues winning their only proper trophey.How many is that they are behind us now in history?
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Remind them what happened in the 1968 cup final and also what happened in 1994 ;)
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The talk of Hughton is obviously getting under their skin. They do love him dont they, awe bless.Time to come to daddy chris
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God they are so bitter, and they seem to think winning a carling cup makes you a massive club. Bless them. Maybe they should appoint Mcleish after all he did win a cup for them ? hahaaha
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BIRMINGAM CITY HONOURS:
Second Division / Division One / The Championship (level 2)
Champions: 1892–93, 1920–21, 1947–48, 1954–55
Runners-up: 1893–94, 1900–01, 1902–03, 1971–72, 1984–85, 2006–07, 2008–09
Play-off winners: 2001–02
Third Division / Division Two (level 3)
Champions: 1994–95
Runners-up: 1991–92
FA Cup
Runners-up: 1931, 1956
League Cup
Winners: 1963, 2011
Runners-up: 2001
Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
Runners-up: 1960, 1961
Associate Members Cup / Football League Trophy
Winners: 1991, 1995
Birmingham Senior Cup
Winners: 1905
Football League South (wartime)
Champions: 1945–46
WEST BROMWICH ALBION:
Football League First Division (old),[F] Premier League (modern)
Champions: 1919–1920
Runners up: 1924–1925, 1953–1954
Football League Second Division (old), Division One, Football League Championship (modern)
Champions: 1901–1902, 1910–1911, 2007–2008
Runners up: 1930–1931, 1948–1949, 2001–2002, 2003–2004, 2009–2010
Football League Third Division (old), Division Two, Football League One (modern)
Play-off Winners: 1992–1993
FA Cup
Winners: 1888, 1892, 1931, 1954, 1968
Runners up: 1886, 1887, 1895, 1912, 1935
League Cup
Winners: 1966
Runners up: 1967, 1970
FA Charity Shield
Winners: 1920, 1954 (shared with Wolves)
Runners up: 1931, 1968
Victories in minor cup competitions
Bass Charity Vase:
Winners 1999, 2000, 2003
FA Youth Cup
Winners: 1976
Runners up: 1955, 1960
Tennent Caledonian Cup:
Winners 1977
Birmingham Senior Cup
Winners: 1886, 1895, 1988, 1990, 1991, 2012
Runners up: 1887, 1888, 1890, 1892, 1894, 1903, 1905, 2002
Staffordshire Senior Cup:
Winners 1883, 1886, 1887, 1889, 1900, 1902, 1903, 1924, 1926, 1932, 1933, 1951, 1969 (shared with Stoke City)
Watney Cup
Runners up: 1971
seasons in top flight football - Blues 67 ; West Bromwich Albion 84
I rest my case m'lord
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BIRMINGAM CITY HONOURS:
Second Division / Division One / The Championship (level 2)
Champions: 1892–93, 1920–21, 1947–48, 1954–55
Runners-up: 1893–94, 1900–01, 1902–03, 1971–72, 1984–85, 2006–07, 2008–09
Play-off winners: 2001–02
Third Division / Division Two (level 3)
Champions: 1994–95
Runners-up: 1991–92
FA Cup
Runners-up: 1931, 1956
League Cup
Winners: 1963, 2011
Runners-up: 2001
Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
Runners-up: 1960, 1961
Associate Members Cup / Football League Trophy
Winners: 1991, 1995
Birmingham Senior Cup
Winners: 1905
Football League South (wartime)
Champions: 1945–46
WEST BROMWICH ALBION:
Football League First Division (old),[F] Premier League (modern)
Champions: 1919–1920
Runners up: 1924–1925, 1953–1954
Football League Second Division (old), Division One, Football League Championship (modern)
Champions: 1901–1902, 1910–1911, 2007–2008
Runners up: 1930–1931, 1948–1949, 2001–2002, 2003–2004, 2009–2010
Football League Third Division (old), Division Two, Football League One (modern)
Play-off Winners: 1992–1993
FA Cup
Winners: 1888, 1892, 1931, 1954, 1968
Runners up: 1886, 1887, 1895, 1912, 1935
League Cup
Winners: 1966
Runners up: 1967, 1970
FA Charity Shield
Winners: 1920, 1954 (shared with Wolves)
Runners up: 1931, 1968
Victories in minor cup competitions
Bass Charity Vase:
Winners 1999, 2000, 2003
FA Youth Cup
Winners: 1976
Runners up: 1955, 1960
Tennent Caledonian Cup:
Winners 1977
Birmingham Senior Cup
Winners: 1886, 1895, 1988, 1990, 1991, 2012
Runners up: 1887, 1888, 1890, 1892, 1894, 1903, 1905, 2002
Staffordshire Senior Cup:
Winners 1883, 1886, 1887, 1889, 1900, 1902, 1903, 1924, 1926, 1932, 1933, 1951, 1969 (shared with Stoke City)
Watney Cup
Runners up: 1971
seasons in top flight football - Blues 67 ; West Bromwich Albion 84
I rest my case m'lord
Are you reading Sir Tait, Change of heart now? :D
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They're the red headed stepchild of West Midlands football anyway (excluding Walsall)
The only thing they excel at is having a notoriously scummy fanbase.
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More delusional supporters than the Dingles, at least the dings recognize our tradition and history.
This lot seem to think we have never won anything and question why their manager would want to come to a club always in a relegation battle, err i seem to recall the last 2 campaigns we finished quite handsomely
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I've had to deal with this kind of delusion off my Small Heath mates for the last decade.
Us, Wolves and Villa are much bigger clubs than Small Heath and they are a tad envious.
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I've had to deal with this kind of delusion off my Small Heath mates for the last decade.
Us, Wolves and Villa are much bigger clubs than Small Heath and they are a tad envious.
In terms of history the three are a much bigger club but in terms of size wolves, albion and blues are similar. We all draw similar crowds, all have a similar size fan base and all seem to spend season's between the premier league and championship. There's only one club who are much bigger and that the vile.
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In terms of history the three are a much bigger club but in terms of size wolves, albion and blues are similar. We all draw similar crowds, all have a similar size fan base and all seem to spend season's between the premier league and championship. There's only one club who are much bigger and that the vile.
As much as Small Heath like to deny it, history is a factor in how big a club are. Hence why I'd argue us and wolves are bigger clubs than blues.
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As much as Small Heath like to deny it, history is a factor in how big a club are. Hence why I'd argue us and wolves are bigger clubs than blues.
While im extremely proud of the albions history in my view history doesnt change to much of the size of a club today. For instance Forest have won more champions league's than Chelsea have, however in today's climate I know which club is bigger and which club i'd prefer the albion to be rivaling.
Any blue nose who say's were small time comes across as ignorant as we have a much bigger history and are a similar size club but for me History doesn't play a major part in how big a club is in today's climate. Something to be proud of yes but i'd rather this albion team make their own history.
Then again I think it comes down to age im 22 so this is the Best I have ever seen the albion success wise. However my dad and uncle talk about the 70's team's and when we used to be the big boys. I think it depends on which generation you come from. Ever since iv supported us albion have always been a similar if not sometimes smaller club than wolves and blues. It changes season by season.
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They are saying Mad Mick will be our next manager now! :o :'(
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They are saying Mad Mick will be our next manager now! :o :'(
you can't educate pork!
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They`ve won the womens fa cup..... will have to double the size of their trophy cabinet
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http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/05/28/birmingham-city-owner-carson-yeung-loses-appeal-over-freezing-of-business-assets-97319-31060753/#ixzz1wATk28Uf
Birmingham City owner Carson Yeung has lost an appeal in Hong Kong against the freezing of his business assets in a dispute with a bank.
The former colony’s appeal court dismissed the plea on Monday as Yeung attempted to lift the block on his finances imposed earlier this year in a dispute between Yeung and the Wing Hang bank on charges placed his property in an exclusive residential area of Hong Kong.
Businessman Yeung had appealed against the freezing of HK$721million (about £59.1million) of his assets, stating that the judiciary had counted funds twice when it was been moved between accounts.
Yeung also claimed that the bank and court had not taken full account of any potential increase in value of the luxury property in Barker Road.
However the appeal has now been dismissed and the disgraced tycoon is due back in court next week to fight a repossession order on the same property.
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Rumours are growing that the club could be sold within the next month.
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Rumours are growing that the club could be sold within the next month.
I'll check my pockets for loose change
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Rumours are growing that the club could be sold within the next month.
I can't see how they would be an attractive proposition with all the debts and poor playing stock ?
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I can't see how they would be an attractive proposition with all the debts and poor playing stock ?
That's the time to buy, when the product hits rock bottom.
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Rumours are growing that the club could be sold within the next month.
How many times have Portsmouth been sold though ? all at rock bottom prices and not much investment to follow and they've ended up in just as much mess as before. I know the problems at Blues are not that deep but just shows new owners are not always what you expect. I hope the new owners work out for you as I hate to see clubs go to the wall but I think you should still be expecting a few players sales regardless.
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That's the time to buy, when the product hits rock bottom.
That's if they had much else going for them which they haven't !
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To be fair they have some very good assets, Foster, Redmond, Burke, Murphy, Davis, King, Pablo, Fahey & even Zigic.......
A fire sale would'nt be good for the fans but there's lot of money there so I hardly think they're rock bottom.
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How many times have Portsmouth been sold though ? all at rock bottom prices and not much investment to follow and they've ended up in just as much mess as before. I know the problems at Blues are not that deep but just shows new owners are not always what you expect. I hope the new owners work out for you as I hate to see clubs go to the wall but I think you should still be expecting a few players sales regardless.
As i said its a rumour. it also depends who the potential new owners are.
the chances of blues going to the "wall" as you call it are (nil) Blues entered into a debenture agreement with HSBC
last October which ensures all monies earned by the club stay in the club.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that its Blues that are in massive debt, in fact its BIHL who have all the problems.
The only player i can see being sold is Foster and with all due respect i doubt very much Albion will pay the fee to get him that's if your new manager wants him that is, Hughton has already said that Butland could be No1 next season. If i were Hughton i would take up the 2 year option on Fosters contract and play him next season. if not sell him to the highest bidder.
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As i said its a rumour. it also depends who the potential new owners are.
the chances of blues going to the "wall" as you call it are (nil) Blues entered into a debenture agreement with HSBC
last October which ensures all monies earned by the club stay in the club.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that its Blues that are in massive debt, in fact its BIHL who have all the problems.
The only player i can see being sold is Foster and with all due respect i doubt very much Albion will pay the fee to get him that's if your new manager wants him that is, Hughton has already said that Butland could be No1 next season. If i were Hughton i would take up the 2 year option on Fosters contract and play him next season. if not sell him to the highest bidder.
I've not said anything about blues going to the wall.
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As i said its a rumour. it also depends who the potential new owners are.
the chances of blues going to the "wall" as you call it are (nil) Blues entered into a debenture agreement with HSBC
last October which ensures all monies earned by the club stay in the club.
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that its Blues that are in massive debt, in fact its BIHL who have all the problems.
The only player i can see being sold is Foster and with all due respect i doubt very much Albion will pay the fee to get him that's if your new manager wants him that is, Hughton has already said that Butland could be No1 next season. If i were Hughton i would take up the 2 year option on Fosters contract and play him next season. if not sell him to the highest bidder.
Two things! firstly, Hughton will most likely not be at Birmingham next season & secondly, do you really think Ben Foster will drop down to the Championship after the season he's just had? come on Wilma get real
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I've not said anything about blues going to the wall.
I hope the new owners work out for you as I hate to see clubs go to the wall
your quote suggests differently.
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your quote suggests differently.
Big difference between the two comments.
Yes I do hope the new owners work out as I hate to see clubs go to the wall, never said anywhere you would did I ? but you twist it how you like mate. Reads differently if you actually read the whole sentence in context:
How many times have Portsmouth been sold though ? all at rock bottom prices and not much investment to follow and they've ended up in just as much mess as before. I know the problems at Blues are not that deep but just shows new owners are not always what you expect. I hope the new owners work out for you as I hate to see clubs go to the wall but I think you should still be expecting a few players sales regardless.
As in new owners guarantee nothing and if sold to the wrong people small problems become massive problems !!!!!!
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Two things! firstly, Hughton will most likely not be at Birmingham next season & secondly, do you really think Ben Foster will drop down to the Championship after the season he's just had? come on Wilma get real
Where is he going to go ? Albion do not thinks so he has said no / been overlooked before by the club. he like everyone else has read about Raneiri, wilkins the german chap etc all being interviewed for the job. now taking that into account what makes you think he would consider any approach for him. even if which i doubt BCFC gave albion permission.
Norwich Swansea he would be on a hiding to nothing with either one of those clubs.
What you have to take into account is Hughton knows what is happening at Blues,
he knows if the potential new owners rumours are true.
He knows the financial state of the club and how the embargo will affect his squad next season
He knows if any players will be sold.
He knows the potential of the club
Now if he was not 100% happy with any of the above he has had ample opportunity to resign. and apply for the albion job.
Foster is under contract at BCFC and if you read the reports he never wanted to go to albion and if i remember correctly he told Colin Tattum that he would play in the championship, but Blues wanted him to go on loan to preserve his value. and save his wages.
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Birmingham wouldn't be able to afford Fosters wages and they're in desperate need of the money that selling Foster would provide - that's why he won't be at Blues next season.
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Birmingham wouldn't be able to afford Fosters wages and they're in desperate need of the money that selling Foster would provide - that's why he won't be at Blues next season.
Thats the thing though who says the club is in desperate need of the money ?? as no one knows that state of the accounts.
we pay Zigic £50k a week without too much trouble.
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Thats the thing though who says the club is in desperate need of the money ?? as no one knows that state of the accounts.
we pay Zigic £50k a week without too much trouble.
I think there's a reason why Blues are so reluctant to publish the accounts. Zigic gets 50k a week? That's quite incredible, but it's all the more reason why Fosters wages would be too much.
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Thats the thing though who says the club is in desperate need of the money ?? as no one knows that state of the accounts.
we pay Zigic £50k a week without too much trouble.
Zigic for 50k a week, good god.
The accounts aren't been published for a reason, come on open your eyes and enter the real world.
Your club would bite our hands off for anything we offer for Foster and Hughton, with the state you are in now it is only going to work in our favour.
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Where is he going to go ? Albion do not thinks so he has said no / been overlooked before by the club. he like everyone else has read about Raneiri, wilkins the german chap etc all being interviewed for the job. now taking that into account what makes you think he would consider any approach for him. even if which i doubt BCFC gave albion permission.
Norwich Swansea he would be on a hiding to nothing with either one of those clubs.
What you have to take into account is Hughton knows what is happening at Blues,
he knows if the potential new owners rumours are true.
He knows the financial state of the club and how the embargo will affect his squad next season
He knows if any players will be sold.
He knows the potential of the club
Now if he was not 100% happy with any of the above he has had ample opportunity to resign. and apply for the albion job.
Foster is under contract at BCFC and if you read the reports he never wanted to go to albion and if i remember correctly he told Colin Tattum that he would play in the championship, but Blues wanted him to go on loan to preserve his value. and save his wages.
I'm wondering if you're actually a vile fan because you're beginning to act a bit delusional, if you think Foster will be playing for BCFC next season then you're in denial, burying your head in the sand & pretending its not happening is not going to make it go away & please don't keep mentioning contracts as it is very naive to think they are anything other then a bargaining chip in football.
Chris 'HUGHTON' will either be at the Albion, if we don't get Ralf (you know the German chap you cant bring yourself to spell his name) Rangnick or Norwich next season, I know it hurts your fans & I'm honestly not being smug but that's the way it is at the moment & you have to accept it.
I have a couple of Blues mates & they're really good lads but even they realise the rubbish your team is in, one has been a season ticket holder for 40 years & is a bit ITK,
he's told me once they publish the accounts it will be administration & we all no what that means (sadly) I've no axe to grind with Blues & I know you're fighting you're corner (admirable) but face it mukka you're up s**t creek without a boat.
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I'm wondering if you're actually a vile fan because you're beginning to act a bit delusional, if you think Foster will be playing for BCFC next season then you're in denial, burying your head in the sand & pretending its not happening is not going to make it go away & please don't keep mentioning contracts as it is very naive to think they are anything other then a bargaining chip in football.
Chris 'HUGHTON' will either be at the Albion, if we don't get Ralf (you know the German chap you cant bring yourself to spell his name) Rangnick or Norwich next season, I know it hurts your fans & I'm honestly not being smug but that's the way it is at the moment & you have to accept it.
I have a couple of Blues mates & they're really good lads but even they realise the rubbish your team is in, one has been a season ticket holder for 40 years & is a bit ITK,
he's told me once they publish the accounts it will be administration & we all no what that means (sadly) I've no axe to grind with Blues & I know you're fighting you're corner (admirable) but face it mukka you're up s**t creek without a boat.
Fact Foster is under contract to Blues with a year left to run, they also have a 2 year option which is yet to be taken up.
Fact is Foster has backed himself into a corner as he has stated he wants to stay in the midlands. now unless albion appoint a manager who wants him and come up with the money needed to buy him what is he going to do ?
could you please point out where i said Foster would be playing for Blues next season ??
As for Hughton as i have said many times i do not think he will go anywhere.
Your mate who reckons Blues will go into administration obviously does not have all the facts.
maybe you could pass this link onto him
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
What i would say Mukka is you have to accept Albion is not the sought after job you seem to think it is.
You are likely to lose your centre half Olsson, centre forward Odemwingie and Mulumbu and not resign Foster.
the spine of your team. You have already lost your manager.
Your chairman is well know for being short in the arm and long in the pocket. Is it true Hodgson was reluctant to sign a new contract due lack of transfer funds. He spent a fair amount of time in the birmingham mail urging Peace to buy Foster which annoyed Blues somewhat.
If all three of them leave how much of their fees will any new manager be given ?
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Dont know if Ray Hughton is on your backroom staff, but we aren't after him mate its Chris HUGHTON were after.
Or is it that you dont actually know your managers name? :-\
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Fact Foster is under contract to Blues with a year left to run, they also have a 2 year option which is yet to be taken up.
Fact is Foster has backed himself into a corner as he has stated he wants to stay in the midlands. now unless albion appoint a manager who wants him and come up with the money needed to buy him what is he going to do ?
could you please point out where i said Foster would be playing for Blues next season ??
As for Hughton as i have said many times i do not think he will go anywhere.
Your mate who reckons Blues will go into administration obviously does not have all the facts.
maybe you could pass this link onto him
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
What i would say Mukka is you have to accept Albion is not the sought after job you seem to think it is.
You are likely to lose your centre half Olsson, centre forward Odemwingie and Mulumbu and not resign Foster.
the spine of your team. You have already lost your manager.
Your chairman is well know for being short in the arm and long in the pocket. Is it true Hodgson was reluctant to sign a new contract due lack of transfer funds. He spent a fair amount of time in the birmingham mail urging Peace to buy Foster which annoyed Blues somewhat.
If all three of them leave how much of their fees will any new manager be given ?
You have continually stated that Foster is under contract to BCFC, I get it! you had me convinced after you mentioned it the first time.
In at least three posts today alone you've banged on about his contract, implication being he's your player & he'll do what you want & at one point you exclaimed that if you were the manager you would take up the 2 year option & play him next season in the championship
Please don't take this the wrong way but his name is Chris HUGHTON!
And finally for me as I'm off out, ref your last post, this thread is entitled Anything Birmingham City, if you want to discuss WBA issues, chairman, players etc.. there are other threads to do that ;)
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Fact Foster is under contract to Blues with a year left to run, they also have a 2 year option which is yet to be taken up.
Fact is Foster has backed himself into a corner as he has stated he wants to stay in the midlands. now unless albion appoint a manager who wants him and come up with the money needed to buy him what is he going to do ?
could you please point out where i said Foster would be playing for Blues next season ??
As for Hughton as i have said many times i do not think he will go anywhere.
Your mate who reckons Blues will go into administration obviously does not have all the facts.
maybe you could pass this link onto him
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
What i would say Mukka is you have to accept Albion is not the sought after job you seem to think it is.
You are likely to lose your centre half Olsson, centre forward Odemwingie and Mulumbu and not resign Foster.
the spine of your team. You have already lost your manager.
Your chairman is well know for being short in the arm and long in the pocket. Is it true Hodgson was reluctant to sign a new contract due lack of transfer funds. He spent a fair amount of time in the birmingham mail urging Peace to buy Foster which annoyed Blues somewhat.
If all three of them leave how much of their fees will any new manager be given ?
God you sound incredibly jealous.
You would give an arm or a leg for a player of Olsson, Mulumbu or Odemwingies quality but sadly you're not in the Premier League are you.
Look forward to administration and a long time below us.
If we don't get Rangnick we will settle for 2nd choice which is Hughton, the man all Blues fans bow down to like he's a god.
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After nearly 20 years of chucking cash at it the Blues are still where they started (prior to us winning at pompey to send us down).
How refreshing, all these years of money and they haven't even finished their ground. Such a shame your closest rivals, Coventry, went down.
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Stand aside I'll get rid of these nasty visitors ............
KUMAR KUMAR KUMAR
:D
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Doesn't get any better for the forer hairdresser does it?
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/06/04/birmingham-city-owner-carson-yeung-set-to-be-evicted-from-hong-kong-home-97319-31110982/
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Doesn't get any better for the forer hairdresser does it?
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/06/04/birmingham-city-owner-carson-yeung-set-to-be-evicted-from-hong-kong-home-97319-31110982/
Does anyone remember that Iraqi General being interviewed on tv saying there are no Americans in Bagdad & the cameras panning to US tanks behind him? reminds me of some bluenoses on this forum! eh wilma ;)
Oh & HSBC wont be the ones docking you 10 points next season.
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I believe Hogdson has already stated he would have signed for us had he not been given the opportunity to manage the national team.
Blues are in seriously financial peril any body can see that.
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I hope this guy kept his scissors well-oiled, because it looks like he´s going to need them...one way or another. ;)
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I could of swore Carson Yeung was going to buy WBA, thank god he didnt ;D
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Colin Tattum ?@colintattum
I understand that, yes, highly likely Chris Hughton will become the new Norwich City manager. More tomorrow #blues #bcfc #ncfc
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Colin Tattum ?@colintattum
I understand that, yes, highly likely Chris Hughton will become the new Norwich City manager. More tomorrow #blues #bcfc #ncfc
They think they will get a decent manager as well, who would take that can of worms on! :o
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Could blues become the chinese trojan horse ? With carson yeoung's assets being frozen and set to be seized by the chinese government, could blues become state owned and financed by chinese government?.
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I don't think that's how things work. I'm sure if Yeung got his assets seized (Birmingham too) the club would be sold and all profits go to the Chinese government? Until then the club would be ran as it currently is.
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Could blues become the chinese trojan horse ? With carson yeoung's assets being frozen and set to be seized by the chinese government, could blues become state owned and financed by chinese government?.
An amusing theory isnt it. Dont think that could happen as the scale just isnt big enough. Can just see the board meeting down at St Andrews with a dozen party members gathered round the table sipping tea and biscuits while they decide how to make the match experience a bit more basic and fairer for everyone. One senses they would only keep one corporate box. The one for themselves.
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An amusing theory isnt it. Dont think that could happen as the scale just isnt big enough. Can just see the board meeting down at St Andrews with a dozen party members gathered round the table sipping tea and biscuits while they decide how to make the match experience a bit more basic and fairer for everyone. One senses they would only keep one corporate box. The one for themselves.
And ordering the set meal for 10 from the Chung Ying on Cov Rd.
Nah thats just silly...........there is no Chung Ying on Cov Rd.
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I hear norwich have been given omission to speak to C H looks like he is off
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We all know that Blues are in a financial mess and someone will just wait until it goes completely tits up before taking it on for next to nothing and starting again.
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Colin Tattum ?@colintattum
I understand that, yes, highly likely Chris Hughton will become the new Norwich City manager. More tomorrow #blues #bcfc #ncfc
Blues fans must be pee'd off, thats the last 2 managers they have lost to the Villa!
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Where's that bluenose who posts like the former Iraqi information minister?
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Where's that bluenose who posts like the former Iraqi information minister?
HeHeHeHe! ;D
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I believe Hogdson has already stated he would have signed for us had he not been given the opportunity to manage the national team.
Really?, I'm not so sure.
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Where's that bluenose who posts like the former Iraqi information minister?
Thats a bit of a disrespectful slur on the Iraqi Information Minister. No doubt he will soon be enlightening us with his reasons why Hughton was never the right man to take Blues back to the promised land!
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Blues got it all wrong. They should have re-branded. An all red strip would have made them a `happy club´ out East, they could have introduced a new crest with a Zulu impaling himself with a Samaria sword, but keep the fans at bay with a free plastic blue-nose per season ticket. Jeez...it´s not rocket science. ;)
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You are all infidels!
Hughton going to Norwich is just part of a more complex plan for Birmingham. He is merely going undercover in the premierleague in preparation for his eventual return to mother Small Heath; just like Foster did last season. The billion pound treasure chest is going to be waiting for Hughton on his return, well once father Yeung finds his wallet anyway - last seen in Burger King in the Bullring by the way. Just you wait and see.
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hughton gone to norwich by all accounts
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"HUGHTON DEPARTS FOR NORWICH
Birmingham City can confirm that a compensation package has been agreed with Norwich City to take Chris Hughton and three members of his backroom staff to Carrow Road."
http://www.bcfc.com/page/Home
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Mick McCarthy would be their best bet IMO.
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Can they actually get a new manager with the embargo on them?
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A message to wilma-carstart! where are you! where are you! lets be havin you! come on! :D :D
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A message to wilma-carstart! where are you! where are you! lets be havin you! come on! :D :D
(http://mcclane.zonalibre.org/00intro.1.jpg)
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Mick McCarthy would be their best bet IMO.
Good shout
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#In Iraqi accent#
Chrees Whoten weel be arr manajerr nickst seson, hee weel nott goe two noor witch! >:(
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My favourite moment from the Iraqi information minister was him telling the cameras the Americans were nowhere near Baghdad (where he was)...as an American tank rolled past behind him.
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Massive blow for blues losing Hughton and his staff.
Add to that if Foster, Davies, Redmond leave they could be in a real mess.
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(http://mcclane.zonalibre.org/00intro.1.jpg)
Fact Foster is under contract to Blues with a year left to run, they also have a 2 year option which is yet to be taken up.
Fact is Foster has backed himself into a corner as he has stated he wants to stay in the midlands. now unless albion appoint a manager who wants him and come up with the money needed to buy him what is he going to do ?
could you please point out where i said Foster would be playing for Blues next season ??
As for Hughton as i have said many times i do not think he will go anywhere.
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Taken from Blues long awaited filing of accounts
'However there are significant issues raised within the auditors report which cast a darker shadow over the running of the club by its owners.'
“significant doubt as to whether we have received all relevant information necessary for the purposes of our audit.”
they have apparently reported a loss of 10mil
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A message to wilma-carstart! where are you! where are you! lets be havin you! come on! :D :D
Lol so concerned about us that they never noticed the yokels!
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Where is he going to go ?
Norwich Swansea he would be on a hiding to nothing with either one of those clubs.
What you have to take into account is Hughton knows what is happening at Blues,
He knows if the potential new owners rumours are true.
He knows the financial state of the club and how the embargo will affect his squad next season
He knows if any players will be sold.
He knows the potential of the club
Now if he was not 100% happy with any of the above he has had ample opportunity to resign...
Do not under estimate the feeling Hughton has for BCFC the club, its players and its fans
I didn't - but I think that you might have ;)
Still having car trouble Wilma?
May I suggest you get the same model as Chris HUGHTON...
...the speed in which he got from St Andrews to Norwich was truly amazing :-*
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http://www.oftenpartisan.co.uk/archives/5612/bcfc-post-10-million-loss-in-premiership-relegation-season.html
Blues long awaited accounts small snag the auditors will not sign them off hence the delay says £10m loss for the relegation season but if the auditors will not sign them off they are barely worth the paper they are written on. Small wonder Hughton did a runner.
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Apparently the auditors have copped Yeung transfering the kit sponsorship money out of the club and to himself!!
But there is nothing wrong, nothing at all comrades.
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The highly rated Jordan Mutch heading to Cardiff for only one million. They must be in a bad way financially. Maybe we will be getting Ben Foster for less than expected.
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The highly rated Jordan Mutch heading to Cardiff for only one million. They must be in a bad way financially. Maybe we will be getting Ben Foster for less than expected.
Mutch went for £3m.
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Mutch went for £3m.
If £3m, Blues have got a great price for a very average player.
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If £3m, Blues have got a great price for a very average player.
I agree.
The £3m figure is what the press are saying this morning, then again if its coming from Blues they said they got something like £7m for Roger Johnson and Wolves claimed it was more like £4m if I remember right.
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Mutch went for £3m.
Where did that £3m figure come from? Both clubs report 'undisclosed fee' on their respective websites and the Welsh press are saying that the fee was 'in excess of £1m'.
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Where did that £3m figure come from? Both clubs report 'undisclosed fee' on their respective websites and the Welsh press are saying that the fee was 'in excess of £1m'.
Seen a few journalists say it was £3m on twitter including the bloke that covers them for the Brum Mail. Although as I said in my other post I'm sure Blues made out that Roger Johnson went for something like £7m and Wolves said it was closer to £4m last summer so I'm not sure anything leaked from the Blues side is entirely accurate.
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Tom Ross is saying they got a 20% sell on clause as well. I wouldn't believe anything coming out of the club to be honest.
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Pretty sure i just heard on talksport that Mick McCarthy has just become the Blues manager ...Anybody else heard that ?
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Pretty sure i just heard on talksport that Mick McCarthy has just become the Blues manager ...Anybody else heard that ?
I've heard Lee Clark is on the verge of being announced.
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Sorry my bad ...It sounded like McCarthy when they said it but they are chatting about Lee Clark now ..
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Think Clark will steady the ship there, think the blues will finish mid-table with Clark in charge plays a very boring style of football according to some huddersfield fans on twitter.
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He bottled it with hudds 3 years in a row with one of the leagues biggest budgets.
Still, hughton and all the players are going nowhere - comprendez :)
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Not sure what to make of this appointment, did a good job with Huddersfield but they had a very strong backing and were expected to do well.
Could be an interesting one, cant see them making the play offs however.
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I have no clue as to what is going on at Birmingham it has all the hallmarks of another Pompey overseas owners in difficulty 26% owned by Carson Yueng (who owns the rest?) accounts published with a massive disclaimer from the auditors and no accounts from the parent company. A transfer embargo in place and their best players for sale. Whatever you think of Lee Clark he is not one to shirk a challenge.
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See Peter Pannu has tried to give a briefing on the current situation at blues through the Bham Mail today. He always strikes me as being a very good plain speaking business man. It appears he has been out in Hong Kong trying to get some answers to some very 'pertinent' questions surrounding the shady dealings of BCFCs parent company BIHL. Reading between the lines under the Carson Young regime things look very bleak and all the bad press is deterring potential buyers.
Not good times if your a Blues fan.
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On a purely selfish point, I hope potential buyers are put off until Ben Foster is a West Brom player on a 4 year contract with a further 4 years in our favour.
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See Peter Pannu has tried to give a briefing on the current situation at blues through the Bham Mail today. He always strikes me as being a very good plain speaking business man. It appears he has been out in Hong Kong trying to get some answers to some very 'pertinent' questions surrounding the shady dealings of BCFCs parent company BIHL. Reading between the lines under the Carson Young regime things look very bleak and all the bad press is deterring potential buyers.
Not good times if your a Blues fan.
I agree, I can see him having a future in the game away from the circus that is BIHL.
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the ass needs to fall right out of them to make them attarctive to any potential buyer.
I dont think that stage is far away now
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i think lee Clark is a good appointment for blues.
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The state they're in, I think their fans would of been happy with Lee Evans.
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I still think it will be difficult for any manager there.
Now they have the new manager inplace I hope we can try and push further on the Foster deal.
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I have a mate who's giving up his season ticket next season say's he doesn't want to give a penny to the corrupt hairdresser. I feel pretty sorry for Panu as you can see the guy is trying his hardest and is a pretty good negotiator (he bled villa dry for McLeish). It's obvious he's the fall guy for Yeung and he's left Panu to face the music whilst he's nowhere to be seen in Hong Kong.
Lee Clarke's a good appointment considering the state their in, not many managers would take that job at the moment. I think he'l do well to keep them up as I think the'l be lucky to be able to field 3 or 4 players that finished last season.
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The hairdresser is not allowed to leave Hong Kong. He lost his house to foreclosure. He has much larger problems than the fate of BCFC.
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a lot of people might moan about JP but id rather have him than these flybynight conmen! city's best players will soon be picked up for next to nothing.
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I have a mate who's giving up his season ticket next season say's he doesn't want to give a penny to the corrupt hairdresser. I feel pretty sorry for Panu as you can see the guy is trying his hardest and is a pretty good negotiator (he bled villa dry for McLeish). It's obvious he's the fall guy for Yeung and he's left Panu to face the music whilst he's nowhere to be seen in Hong Kong.
Lee Clarke's a good appointment considering the state their in, not many managers would take that job at the moment. I think he'l do well to keep them up as I think the'l be lucky to be able to field 3 or 4 players that finished last season.
Obviously your mate is as fickle as some of these
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7712.0
your right about Pannu he knows the value of things, remind me what did peace want to pay for Ridgewell ?? and how much did he finish up paying ? so good luck with getting Foster on the cheap.
I keep hearing this comment the state "they are in" BCFC is fine its selfsuffcient with what people say is £10m worth of debt, in fact according to Pannu we made a profit last year.. Its bihl that is in s**t street.
depending on who you beleive Yeung wants to sell BCFC but he says he wants to clear the £10m debt so if it means we have to sell Foster as well as Mutch to rid the club of him then all Blues fans would accept that.
As it looks like Jack Butland will be no1 next season anyway.
So do us all a favour tell tight a**e Peace to cough up the fee and lets move on
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..."Chris Hughton is not leaving Birmingham City.
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Obviously your mate is as fickle as some of these
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7712.0
your right about Pannu he knows the value of things, remind me what did peace want to pay for Ridgewell ?? and how much did he finish up paying ? so good luck with getting Foster on the cheap.
I keep hearing this comment the state "they are in" BCFC is fine its selfsuffcient with what people say is £10m worth of debt, in fact according to Pannu we made a profit last year.. Its bihl that is in s**t street.
depending on who you beleive Yeung wants to sell BCFC but he says he wants to clear the £10m debt so if it means we have to sell Foster as well as Mutch to rid the club of him then all Blues fans would accept that.
As it looks like Jack Butland will be no1 next season anyway.
So do us all a favour tell tight a**e Peace to cough up the fee and lets move on
No hint of desperation muddled by blind faith or more than a bit of envy of their more affluent and attractive neighbours then?....................
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Obviously your mate is as fickle as some of these
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7712.0
your right about Pannu he knows the value of things, remind me what did peace want to pay for Ridgewell ?? and how much did he finish up paying ? so good luck with getting Foster on the cheap.
I keep hearing this comment the state "they are in" BCFC is fine its selfsuffcient with what people say is £10m worth of debt, in fact according to Pannu we made a profit last year.. Its bihl that is in s**t street.
depending on who you beleive Yeung wants to sell BCFC but he says he wants to clear the £10m debt so if it means we have to sell Foster as well as Mutch to rid the club of him then all Blues fans would accept that.
As it looks like Jack Butland will be no1 next season anyway.
So do us all a favour tell tight a**e Peace to cough up the fee and lets move on
'Chris Hughton is going nowhere'
Anyway you're in for your second fire sale in two summers.
Really a desperate time to be a Bluenose isn't it.
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Heard they have turned down £6m for Butland from Southampton today and Dave Watson is in talks with Norwich but they hope to get him to sign a new deal according to Colin Tattum on twitter.
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Heard they have turned down £6m for Butland from Southampton today and Dave Watson is in talks with Norwich but they hope to get him to sign a new deal according to Colin Tattum on twitter.
I do not know what I find more staggering about that story a) Southampton offered Blues £6m for a goal keeper as promising as Butland is who has never kept goal at a higher level than League 2. b) Birmingham turned it down.
If and it is a huge if that as Peter Pannu says Blues are at about break even (ignoring the money they owe to Yeung) and they can get the transfer embargo lifted then that £6m if used well could give them a real shot at promotion next year. However in their current position the money is no use because they cannot use it to strengthen the squad so they may as well hang onto the player.
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I don't believe a word that comes out of their club to be completely honest, they are in a mess.
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I do not know what I find more staggering about that story a) Southampton offered Blues £6m for a goal keeper as promising as Butland is who has never kept goal at a higher level than League 2. b) Birmingham turned it down.
£6m is a headline figure, there is no confirmation about how the deal offered was structured. I would guess that it was more likely to end up as £6m if several clauses were met over time.
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I think Lee Clark is a good appointment, he did a very good job at Huddersfield. I see Birmingham having a very tough season, I dont see them getting in the play offs again.
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Fact Foster is under contract to Blues with a year left to run, they also have a 2 year option which is yet to be taken up.
Fact is Foster has backed himself into a corner as he has stated he wants to stay in the midlands. now unless albion appoint a manager who wants him and come up with the money needed to buy him what is he going to do ?
could you please point out where i said Foster would be playing for Blues next season ??
As for Hughton as i have said many times i do not think he will go anywhere.
Your mate who reckons Blues will go into administration obviously does not have all the facts.
maybe you could pass this link onto him
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/03/09/birmingham-city-sign-secret-deal-with-hsbc-97319-30493137/
What i would say Mukka is you have to accept Albion is not the sought after job you seem to think it is.
You are likely to lose your centre half Olsson, centre forward Odemwingie and Mulumbu and not resign Foster. the spine of your team. You have already lost your manager.
Your chairman is well know for being short in the arm and long in the pocket. Is it true Hodgson was reluctant to sign a new contract due lack of transfer funds. He spent a fair amount of time in the birmingham mail urging Peace to buy Foster which annoyed Blues somewhat.
If all three of them leave how much of their fees will any new manager be given ?
LOL thanks for the insight Wilma :D
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So good luck with getting Foster on the cheap.
So do us all a favour tell tight a**e Peace to cough up the fee and lets move on
Worth EVERY penny...but you're right, let's move on...just like Ben has :-*
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Transfer embargo lifted
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Good maybe we can recoup the money we spent on Foster by selling the m a player or 2 ;D
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Good maybe we can recoup the money we spent on Foster by selling the m a player or 2 ;D
Wheres Paul Williams and Kevin Steggles when you need them :D ;)
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Wheres Paul Williams and Kevin Steggles when you need them :D ;)
We got Coxy ::)
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We got Coxy ::)
They could do worse and he will be available I think although JP's £4m asking price might put them off ;D Trouble is he know they got the money.
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I read Tchoyi is training with this lot
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Said to be signing Ravel Morrison on loan from West Ham too.
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I read Tchoyi is training with this lot
Frustrating player. Id advise Blues to pass on that one.
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Tchoyi would be a very impressive signing for them. A lot of top premiership defenders didn't have a clue how to handle him - so he would cause some serious damage in the championship.
Ravel Morrison could be a very good player for them as well. He seems a complete scum bag but he is talented. Blues fans must be depressed at have to take players like him and King to compete.
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Tchoyi will make an absolute mess of the Championship if given free reign. Great Signing.
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I know they have financial issues but getting an old Villa kit as your second kit is a bit degrading. ;D
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/08/11/birmingham-city-set-to-launch-new-pink-away-shirts-97319-31597670/
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I think blues will win that league
Lovenkrands, Morrison, zigic, Redmond , ambrose, king , tchoyi should all tear that league right up.
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Good Lord, listening to Tom Ross, had about 3 callers on and text messgaes. Every single fan wants Clarke out. One saying get him out before its to late. Anyone else hear them? The season is three games old, the world has gone mad!
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Even though he took Huddersfield to where he did they said very much the same.
Blues would have been better off with someone like McCarthy.
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I think that unbeaten record has over-rated him as a manager personally, with argubably the best side in league one he failed to take them up when they bottled it in the final. Saying that, they drawed many games in that division. I was looking on a Huddersfield forum and they felt Clark was more bothered about the unbeaten record rather than getting promotion. They would quite happily have lost a few it meant winning in a few of those drawn games and it had taken them up.
Also read amongst forums and the internet that he's a similar character to Megson. Very abrasive and therefore quick to fall out with people. Looking at his demeanor gives that impression too.
Totally agree with, Dudleylad. McCarthy would have been better suited to that role, someone to galvanise and get the best from them. So far under Clark they've looked pretty poor according to my mates and in none of their games have they looked like winning. I saw them on saturday against Watford and they were terrible.
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They look to be in an absolute mess, getting stuffed by Barnsley.
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5 -0 and could be more shocking !!!!!! how thay have fallen since winning the cup
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thats a desperately poor result
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Just heard on 5 live they have signed the badge kisser Robbo...
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Yeah on a one month deal
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Only 13,893 at St Andrew's on Saturday.
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Noticed the badge kisser has gone grey
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Not looking very good for them:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/peter-pannu-interview-part-one-389303
Peter Pannu has opened up about the extent of Birmingham City’s financial woes.
And he admitted for the first time that he was prepared to sell Jack Butland and possibly other stars in the January transfer window to stop Blues from going under.
Debts racked up by parent company Birmingham International Holdings Limited (BIHL), loss of revenue due to relegation and Carson Yeung’s assets freeze have contributed to Blues monetary mess.
Despite the sale of some £35 million worth of talent since Blues lost Premier League status in 2011 three months after winning the Carling Cup and swingeing reductions in costs and salaries, the club are in a dire state.
In a frank and forthright interview with the Birmingham Mail, Pannu warned: “If I allow this club to go into administration, I think I will never [be able to] step foot in Birmingham city. Never.
“And I am not going to allow that to happen.
“If I do annoy the fans and I do dispose of players, it will be to keep the club afloat.
“I will be abrogating my responsibility to the club, to the fans if I allow that [administration].
“And that’s not an excuse for me to dispose of players, I just need to do what I have to do.”
England cap Butland is Blues most saleable asset. And Pannu admitted he could go, and the drain of Nikola Zigic’s £50,000-a-week plus wages was too much.
“I can’t say that we are in a very wonderful situation, I would be lying if I said that.
“This is a very tricky question [player sales].
“What I can say is that - and I might be blasted for this by the fans - but no one is for sale and everyone is available. As in any club.
“Give me a £15 million offer for Jack Butland, can I say no?
“I have rejected £6 million from Southampton [in the summer] but I rejected it when our finances were OK.
“As the time is ticking, I might not be able to reject it if I get something similar.”
“I do have a responsibility to keep the club running,” continued Pannu.
“Many eminent managers, players have said it umpteen times, that no one is bigger than the club.
“My top priority now - and if I do offend anyone, I care not - is to make sure this clubs stays afloat.
“I will do what I have to do and buy some time to ensure that I can hand this club over to good people who can take us to the next level.
“Ziggy obviously is earning a lot of money here. He’s a very good guy, a gentleman, a gentle giant and I have got lots of time for him.
“But I can’t shy away from the fact that we are paying a lot of money which I’m sure we can’t [afford to]. He realises that.
“We might have to consider his position in January.
“There are other players who are earning a lot of money, at least four, five players I’d hope weren’t earning that much.
“It might be the case that if opportunities arise I will have to look at that.”
“The principle is to keep the club going.
“I can’t let this club run to the ground. I need some time to ensure I can pass it on to good people who can take us to the next level,” Pannu added.
Pannu, chief of parent company BIHL, who own 96 per cent of Blues, said Lee Clark would not be able to make any cash signings in January, but if finances could be juggled sufficiently - dependent on what offers they received - incoming loans were feasible.
Liverpool, Everton, Spurs and West Ham United have all been eyeing Butland.
Pannu pointed out that a player's head was often also easily turned - citing the raft of knocking on his door that took place after relegation.
“Let’s use Butland as an example," said Pannu.
"I understand there are talks with Liverpool, I understand that Everton might be interested, Southampton gave me an offer in the past, I know not whether they want him.
“His is a phenomenal player and let’s move this from another angle.
“For example, if Liverpool come in for Butland, do you not think Butland wouldn’t want to go there?
“Even if Liverpool came to me with £4 million, I’m sure if his agent is doing a proper job he will blow my door down and say he wants the Liverpool opportunity.
“Remember when we were relegated, I had 50 doors changed.
“We have to look at things from various angles, not just purely the financial side of things.
“We have got players who are human and humans have needs, then we have got their agents on top who want to do the best for their players."
“Now it might not be good for us, but it might not necessarily be bad," Pannu added.
“So using Butland again, if I can translate that into £6 million coming up in front, then the only priority I would have to off-load people would perhaps be Zigic.
“Zigic needs to go out and showcase himself. And if a new club likes him, there might be a chance that they will be permanent transfer.
“And under these circumstances, I might not need to off-load anyone else and then I might have some funds to bring in on-loan strikers for us."
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Bad times. Sad really. There but for the grace...
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Problem they have with Zigic is that yes he is on good money but is the fee they are asking unreasonable ?
They need to decide whats more important, holding out for a big fee which the longer they do that they run the risk of him going for nothing or accept a nominal fee, possibly even nothing just to get him of the wage bill and let him and his new club sort a deal out for him to receive that he's owed on his current contract by Blues.
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think they are destined for league one now. i really do, what is happening with midlands football. we can laugh but really its so mediocre these days, the northwest and london rule supreme.
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think they are destined for league one now. i really do, what is happening with midlands football. we can laugh but really its so mediocre these days, the northwest and london rule supreme.
Its not just football where that's true.
London is the Nations capitol, while Manchester is seen as the capitol of the North. No investment has come into the Midlands for years, we don't have the infrastructure of other places, and now we are reaping what has been sown by years of poor management by councils et al. Manchester will soon overtake Birmingham as the UK's second city, while there are others which have stood up to the recession better. We all know what West Brom's like, while Merry Hill has killed Dudley and is having the same effect on Wolverhampton. And Walsall's getting worse.
Sad to hear about Blues, but these things happen, especially when clubs spend stupid money, put players on wages they can't afford, and end up is a worse position than when they started (see also: Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR).
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It's not sad, it's necessary. In times of economic contraction, oversupply is liquidated and those who managed growth properly acquire the assets (i.e. fans) of those who did not. Otherwise the Matt Millen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Millen#Detroit_Lions_management)s of the world would be in charge of everything.
It's time for everyone in the WM who loathes the Vile to get behind the Albion.
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Any bones we can pick from?
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Any bones we can pick from?
Only youth players I would imagine.
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Whole squad up for sale, Curtis Davies may be on his way to Reading, anyone we would fancy from their squad?
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Davies is the one I would take to be honest. Butland is overrated but still very young with massive potential so would be a good addition for us but he is their prized asset so he would still cost a fair bit.
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I'd take Redmond - would be a good option.
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Not for me, I don't see anything in that squad which would improve us if I'm honest. The only player I admired was Chris Burke but I do wonder if we could do better. I remember him tearing Marek Cech a new backside when we lost to Cardiff 2-0 in the championship season under RDM. It is worrying signs for Blues, especially if these better players aren't going to be replaced. Five points clear of the relegation zone, they might just need to pray that the teams below them fail to pick up the required points. Gianni Paladini is the name being mentioned but after seeing his antics in that QPR programme I doubt I would want him hovering around my club but if he's the only solution to the clear the club of Pannu and Yeung then that might be their only approach.
I really can't see our club dishing out the money they would require for Jack Butland when we have Ben Foster who has at least another 6 years or so left in himself at a club he seems relatively happy with. To pay for Butland to sit on our bench I don't think would go down well with our hierarchy, especially as that money could go elsewhere in improving our existing squad.
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Didn't Birmingham ask for something outlandish (more like outerspace-ish) like £6 million for Redmond?
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Didn't Birmingham ask for something outlandish (more like outerspace-ish) like £6 million for Redmond?
If Davies is going for £1.5 million, its a fire sale, Redmond would be no more than £2million.
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I don't want Davies anywhere near our football club.
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Burke and redman are the only two id take a punt on.
Curtis davies? are you having a laugh?
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If Davies is going for £1.5 million, its a fire sale, Redmond would be no more than £2million.
I think it might depend on the wages they are each on. If Redmond is on a lot less than Davies which is entirely possible then they would want more for him in terms of a fee so its plausible.
Davies made a mistake making the comments he did when he left and the way he went about trying to force a move away will make it difficult for many to accept him back. A player of his ability would be a welcome addition for me but when we have people booing Rosenberg for no real reason I doubt it would work out for Davies.
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Sorry state of affairs, looked at their squad and it really is a bit of a mess frankly they would struggle to give most of them away. They have maybe five saleable players Redmond, Davies,Butland,Burke and maybe Ambrose. Those aside the rest are either too old and or too rubbish for anyone to hand money over for them. This was a Premier League side 2 seasons ago last year they were challenging for promotion this year if they unload their few remaining half decent players they could be relegated and Zigic will be the best paid player in the League 1.
If further evidence was required of how badly things can go wrong at a football club when it spends money it does not have we have it in abundance here.
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I'd sooner re sign Tchoyi to partner El Ghanassey at centre half than have him back.
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Curtis "i was a big fish in a small pond at Albion" Davies?
No thanks.
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Curtis "i was a big fish in a small pond at Albion" Davies?
No thanks.
Reading were interested but seem to be put off by his £25K a week wages. No wonder Blues are in the sh#t financially when the likes of Cuntis are earning this much.
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He was to busy doing interviews when he was with us, 'the new Rio Ferdinand'.
I'm glad he's found his level.
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Curtis "i was a big fish in a small pond at Albion" Davies?
No thanks.
That most probably makes him a Flounder then. ;D
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Nicola Zigic due a pay rise! :o
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/birmingham-nikola-zigics-contract-set-1759551
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Bring back the Kumars
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Does anyone think Nathan Redmond could make it at the Albion ?
I personally dont think his work rate is good enough for the Prem ie Jason Koumas.
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Does anyone think Nathan Redmond could make it at the Albion ?
I personally dont think his work rate is good enough for the Prem ie Jason Koumas.
He's young. His only fault at the moment is consistency which will come with experience.
He's the kind of player we need to replace Odemwingie and Thomas.
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Blues have had a very strange season and still only seven points off the play-offs.
I still believe if they had gone for someone like McCarthy they would be in the playoffs even with all the off field problems.
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I am nowhere near been Lee Clark's biggest fan but you have to take your hat off to the incredible job he has done this season. The amount of ins and outs, one month loans, kids on loan and he has still given Blues fans an incredible finish in the league even with all the mayhem going on in the background.
Hughton got rave reviews for doing it last season and he had a much better squad.
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I cannot believe there isn't a thread for the most hilarious football club in all of Christendom.
Barely a day passes without something ridiculous happening down at the Sty.
Here are a few of this weeks latest offerings:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-city-fans-fury-were-3906041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQhiuwow7A4
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There is, but you have to dive down an awful long way.
Don't mind them myself, we have one thing in common.
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Don't mind Blues generally, don't mind them one bit when we're in different divisions.
There is, but you have to dive down an awful long way.
Don't mind them myself, we have one thing in common.
Two, they aren't too keen on the dingles either ;)
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Nothing against the Blues. I only know one nose' and he's a decent lad.
Although that article is pretty funny! ;D
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I cannot believe there isn't a thread for the most hilarious football club in all of Christendom.
Barely a day passes without something ridiculous happening down at the Sty.
Here are a few of this weeks latest offerings:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-city-fans-fury-were-3906041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQhiuwow7A4
I quite like them, your enemy's enemy and all that, and they are Birmingham from Birmingham, as opposed to Aston vile who actually reside in. witton.
We are pride of the midlands, and the city is theirs, all you've got is the past....and a ticket for wembley.
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Ive never really had a problem with Blues even before I met my girlfriend. I get married to her next year lol.
She, her mom and sisters are season ticket holders so whenever one can't go and Albion are not playing, I normally get a free ticket to go up and watch them.
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I cannot believe there isn't a thread for the most hilarious football club in all of Christendom.
Barely a day passes without something ridiculous happening down at the Sty.
Here are a few of this weeks latest offerings:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-city-fans-fury-were-3906041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQhiuwow7A4
This is an ALBION forum.
You want to have a pop at Blues with your preferred name for them do it on your own site.
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I cannot believe there isn't a thread for the most hilarious football club in all of Christendom.
There is Stevie 'Seals watch - Anything Villa' there you go.
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Which bit is not true then Viler.
You seem to have come back on here again since the nervous time with two games to go, shame you never finished 19th, you lot seemed to want that all season.
I have never heard the phrase/song "Pride of the Midlands" until eighteen months ago. You will have to provide me with your definition. Even when the Noses finished above us in 2003, I'd never heard It. It obviously doesn't mean winning trophies or doing anything worthwhile in the league. Midlands football is fairly limp at the moment and has been for a few years. I suppose what it really means, above being a mid-table side and record finishes since football was invented in 92, is finishing above the Villa.
But then that has always been the difference between you and the Noses; hence the cognomen "Bitter Baggie" or "Bitter Bird" that we often use to describe you. The Noses hate us with a passion and we feel the same, while so do the majority of your lot, yet there is a really bitterness to it as if we have snatched something from you. Perhaps that all this brief Pride of the Midlands malarkqy has come from? Jumping on the gratification of finishing above us (as you should, we've been a shambles for three years) however fleeting. Which is another reason to be bitter I guess.
You all hate us; from West Brom to Leicester to Coventry to the Noses. But its only the later that gets our ire and that hurts you too.
I quite like you myself. I have plenty of Albion friends, been to plenty of games (was it Bob Taylor getting on the end of an Andy Hunt cross at the Sty for a last minute win?) and that lack of hate makes you bitter as well.
I am not going to take the Noses comment seriously. I cannot believe even the biggest Titlon Road chimp would believe that.
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I have never heard the phrase/song "Pride of the Midlands" until eighteen months ago. You will have to provide me with your definition. Even when the Noses finished above us in 2003, I'd never heard It. It obviously doesn't mean winning trophies or doing anything worthwhile in the league. Midlands football is fairly limp at the moment and has been for a few years. I suppose what it really means, above being a mid-table side and record finishes since football was invented in 92, is finishing above the Villa.
But then that has always been the difference between you and the Noses; hence the cognomen "Bitter Baggie" or "Bitter Bird" that we often use to describe you. The Noses hate us with a passion and we feel the same, while so do the majority of your lot, yet there is a really bitterness to it as if we have snatched something from you. Perhaps that all this brief Pride of the Midlands malarkqy has come from? Jumping on the gratification of finishing above us (as you should, we've been a shambles for three years) however fleeting. Which is another reason to be bitter I guess.
You all hate us; from West Brom to Leicester to Coventry to the Noses. But its only the later that gets our ire and that hurts you too.
I quite like you myself. I have plenty of Albion friends, been to plenty of games (was it Bob Taylor getting on the end of an Andy Hunt cross at the Sty for a last minute win?) and that lack of hate makes you bitter as well.
I am not going to take the Noses comment seriously. I cannot believe even the biggest Titlon Road chimp would believe that.
Clearly b6 football must be limp, you're on a west brom forum talking about blues, wouldn't you're time be better spent chained to the railings singing about some bells whilst holding up (another )bed sheet begging nzogbia not to leave.
Re pride of the midlands, we started singing it when we were (still are) top dogs in the midlands , similar to when blues sang about you lot after winning their trophy (can't remember the manager :D) , but I'm sure you understand really seeing as you probably developed some nursery rhymes around 1983?, half a notts Forrest anyone?
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Small Heaths biggest trophy?
We've won it five times.
My memory is getting on my nerves here. I was sure it was Hunt that crossed the ball for Taylor? You'd been two down and it was the last minute. We were right at the front next to the Kop, hanging off the fences. Must have been 15-20 years ago.
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I haven't noticed as yet, anything in the form of congratulations to the Blues on their incredible result today. I'd like to feel that 'us Baggies' are a decent bunch and would offer an arm of congrats - after all, I think they've been through enough! Hope to see them in the Prem soon, and pray they take 6 points off the Dingles next season!
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Well happy for the blues....congrats on staying up
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I haven't noticed as yet, anything in the form of congratulations to the Blues on their incredible result today. I'd like to feel that 'us Baggies' are a decent bunch and would offer an arm of congrats - after all, I think they've been through enough! Hope to see them in the Prem soon, and pray they take 6 points off the Dingles next season!
Theres a few posts in the Championship thread
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Great news. I was jumping up and down when the equaliser went in. They don't deserve the the boardroom they've had.
Congrats to the noses
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Theres a few posts in the Championship thread
I stand corrected pal - you see I knew we're a decent bunch!!
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Stayed up due to a dive by the Leicester player against Doncaster.
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Stayed up due to a dive by the Leicester player against Doncaster.
After a coming together with a certain Gabby Tamas
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Considering we have one for Villa & Wolves thought we'd have one for Blues, know not many of our fans really hate them and don't class them as a proper derby but still a side that I look out for due to many links in my family.
Got a host of new players in but look like they are in serious trouble(same could be said about us but keep out of thread ;D )
Hopefully they'll sack off Clark & get someone else in
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Desperate result against wigan today. I know we lost 3 nil ourselves but still.
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I've been very surprised that Lee Clark is still at Birmingham into his third full season with them now I thought he would have been gone a long time ago. it is very tough for him with everything going on off the pitch too. I have nothing against the Blues, hope they have a decent season and get six points of Wolves.
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Lee Clark sacked by Blues
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with their resources who else is going to do anybetter. Chris Hughton return?
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Lee Clark sacked by Blues
Seems a bit harsh to me, he was working in a virtually impossible situation following all their off field issues and ownership situation.
I'm not sure where and how it's all going to end with Blues, but suspect it'll be badly.
Despite them being a local rival I've always found it difficult to generate any kind of dislike for Blues, and the times you bump into them, on the occasions they have away days in the same areas (like last season when we were at Fulham and they were at QPR) I always find them OK and easy to have a decent conversation with, despite the fact that you do tend to get the impression with a few of them that deep down there's a psychopath just bursting to get out.
But I've always enjoyed our matches against them, even back in the day when St Andrews was a genuinely rough old place to visit.
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Barry Fry was on Sky earlier talking about in the Summer Clark was trying to sign a couple of players from Peterborough but just couldn't get anyone at Blues to sit down and sort it. With stuff like that going on he was always going to struggle, i'm surprised he stayed so long and waited for the sack. No-one could have blamed him for walking a long time ago.
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Megson?
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Only an idiot would work at Birmingham City at the moment with all that's going on. Clark only stuck it out because he would get a pay off if sacked.
Shambles of a club that are heading down and wont come back.
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Selfishly I find myself wondering what it would do for our fan base if Blues disappeared.
I think it would make both us and Villa far more appealing as an investment as well.
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Only an idiot would work at Birmingham City at the moment with all that's going on. Clark only stuck it out because he would get a pay off if sacked.
Shambles of a club that are heading down and wont come back.
Same is said for Leeds but they don't struggle to find someone.
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It will be a very tough job for anyone with everything happening off the pitch at St Andrews. I was quite surprised that Lee Clark was there for that long. I hope they can get a few results soon and rise up the table a bit.
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Dont mind Birmingham City but I couldn't stand that Lee Clarke, worst Geordie accent I've ever heard, always sounded like a little kid that had had his sweeties taken off him.
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Made for Megson
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Tony Mowbray is being linked with the Birmingham City job, they could do worse.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-mowbray-running-birmingham-city-7974675?
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Really testing times if you are a blues fan at the moment, has to be said.
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8-0 Bournemouth today against the noses....sad times to be a Blues fan
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A real real low point for the Blues today, I think if they stay up this season it will be a miracle.
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What a shame ;D
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Half my extended family are blue noses, so really feel for them really hope they get a win next week against the Dingles I think.
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Half my extended family are blue noses, so really feel for them really hope they get a win next week against the Dingles I think.
The dingles will destroy them!
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The dingles will destroy them!
Unfortunately I think you are right.
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It has to said, regardless of the early sending off of a Blues player, that 8-0 really is a desperate scoreline and tells you everything you need to know about the team spirit and commitment levels in their present team.
After that performance it's just a shame that they have Wolves coming up.
While I'd be more than happy to see Wolves and Villa drop like a stone and disappear, I do have a little sympathy for the Bluenoses and if I had to choose one other West Midlands club to be with Albion in the Prem it would be them - though I suppose that's as much for the fact it's such a great awayday as much as anything, even though I'd acknowledge that their supporters are head and shoulders above Villa and Wolves.
There were a few of them on the train home after the Palace match, surprisingly there are some Bluenose Black Country and beyond based fans, and in fairness to them, the ones we had a chat with did have a bit of a laugh about it and see the funny side, which you have to do on these occasions otherwise you'd send yourself mad, and let's face it, Albion have produced a few shockers in the past.
Sadly, it doesn't matter who they install as Manager, until they sort out their overall club management issues then the only way they are heading is League 1 in the short term, and who knows where in the medium term.
Do any of the other old gits recall some of our great awaydays at Blues back in the late 1970's to early 1990's, when loads of Albion supporters used to congregate at The Temple Bar and Shakespeare in Birmingham from around 10:30am on a matchday? I remember the elation of managing to sneak in with my mates when we were all at least a year under the official drinking age. The Kerry Man in Digbeth was also used by a fair few Albion fans, best Guinness I've had outside Ireland.
Great memories. Good luck to the Blues fans though, it could a rocky road ahead to say the least.
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Feel a bit sorry for them to be honest :( Why can't that be the dingles and not them losing 8-0 at home to bournemouth? Everything Ambrosia touch at the moment seems to touch to gold, excuse the pun.
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Pleased to see the Blues doing well finding some wins at home. Gary Rowett has done a great job so far turned a corner with them.
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A chant of Craig Gardner hates Villa sang on the Tilton after he scored apparently..
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A chant of Craig Gardner hates Villa sang on the Tilton after he scored apparently..
Im.a steward at blues and i didnt hear that. Was a loud s**t on the villa chant around the time we scored though.
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Birmingham City: Parent company BIHL goes into receivership
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-parent-company-bihl-8661756
Blues confirmed the development in a statement today, but club officials insisted that no winding up petition has been filed against BIHL and that it is therefore not in liquidation.
Receivers have told club bosses it's "business as usual" at St Andrew's.
In the statement, Blues said: Birmingham City Football Club (BCFC) acknowledges the Hong Kong Stock Exchange announcement made today by its parent company Birmingham International Holdings Limited (BIHL) whereby it confirmed the voluntary appointment of three leading persons from Ernst and Young Transactions Limited (the specialist receivership arm of the international accountants firm Ernst and Young) as the Receivers of BIHL.
"BCFC naturally recognises the impact which this announcement may have on itself and how it may be interpreted by its supporters, staff, media, and the wider domain.
"The Club therefore wishes to explain why the majority directors on the Board of BIHL had deemed it necessary to take this voluntary but unusual course of action.
"First and foremost, however the Club wishes to reassure its supporters and staff most emphatically that no winding up petition has been filed against the Company (BIHL) and that it is therefore not in liquidation.
"The subsidiary (BCFC) can fulfil its obligations as a member club of the Football League and shall continue to maintain a strong dialogue with the board of the Football League on this matter."
"With no apparent resolution to the fractious and inharmonious relations within the management, the majority on the BIHL Board decided that it had no other option but to openly and voluntarily request reputable receivers to take over the management of BIHL on its behalf.
"Without any obstruction or distraction, the Receivers will be able to manage the day to day activities of BIHL, take control of its finances, carry on the business of the Company and take such steps as may be necessary for the purpose of preserving the future of the subsidiary BCFC."
"The Board is committed to working in unison and in full cooperation with the Receivers to find the best way forward for the greater good of the Club.
"The Club has been in direct dialogue with the Receivers, who have confirmed that: “For the avoidance of doubt, the appointment of the Receivers by the Court on 16 February 2015 has nothing to do with the insolvency of the Company. As at the present moment, we do not see any liquidity issue in the Company.
"Moreover, pursuant to the Order granted by the Court on 16 February 2015, the Receivers will endeavor to put together the latest financial information of the Company with the assistance of the management of the Company as soon as possible.â€
"The Receivers further advised the Club’s management that, subject to the Order granted by the Court on 16th February 2015 it is “business as usualâ€.
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What an absolute mess. It's a shame for them to be honest.
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Blues have revealed their new away strip and it is the iconic yellow, red and black strip from 1972. I remember seeing it under the floodlights at the Hawthorns in August 1972 and thinking how great it looked. The game featuried three Latchford brothers and Bobby Hope playing for Blues. Blues got a late equaliser in a 2-2 draw.
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/birmingham-city-2555686.aspx
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That is awful in my opinion.
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It reminds me of the Belgian and German flags.
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glad its not ours, it would look more at home in the tour de france, anyway, did i click on the wrong forum?
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I like it but the penguin strip was always the best kit from St Andrews.
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Pretty horrific that is.
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There is an article on the strip and our game with Blues in August 1972 at
http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/articles/ich-bein-ein-bluenose-birmingham-citys-german-flag-kit
Judge for yourself on how it looked back then at
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-01unmKm6E
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Being pedantic, which I can be sometimes, it more resembles the Belgium flag as the colours run vertical.
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Was at that game! About 40,000 there and we left feeling gutted. No one quite realised just how wretched that season would turn out to be!
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Was at that game! About 40,000 there and we left feeling gutted. No one quite realised just how wretched that season would turn out to be!
Crowd was 37,252 and I remember there being a huge following from Blues. They had just got promoted and were paying their visit to the Hawthorns since 1964. Bob Latchford scored past his brother Pete for a late equaliser after Gould and Suggett had put us 2-1 up. By the time we played the return game at St Andrews for the last game of the season we were relegated.
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I have many non-Albion mates who say similar things about our classic yellow and green stripes!
I don't think it's too bad. Certainly seen worse in recent years, remember Newcastle's "deck chair" kit?
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Carson Yeung has been released from prison.
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Can I commend to you this fabulous thread on the SHA about todays impending visit of Leeds United
http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,2176662,page=1
I especially recommend the Yorkshire Star Wars on page 3
Hope they beat the dirty leeds barstewards on the pitch and in the pavement dancing :D
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Can I commend to you this fabulous thread on the SHA about todays impending visit of Leeds United
http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,2176662,page=1
I especially recommend the Yorkshire Star Wars on page 3
Hope they beat the dirty leeds barstewards on the pitch and in the pavement dancing :D
Cheers Frank, that is funny as f....... :P .
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I've been sat at work all morning reading that thread. Very funny indeed.
I live in Moseley so I will be on my guard later!
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Cheers Frank, that is funny as f....... :P .
Some seriously funny chaps on there. Very good thanks for sharing!
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Can I commend to you this fabulous thread on the SHA about todays impending visit of Leeds United
http://www.smallheathalliance.com/read.php?1,2176662,page=1
I especially recommend the Yorkshire Star Wars on page 3
Hope they beat the dirty leeds barstewards on the pitch and in the pavement dancing :D
That's a very good thread!
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Haha excellent.
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That's a very good thread!
Good old mosely high street. The homeless round there have a hieracy and you cant sit on certain benches, such a strange area full of strange people.
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Zola has to go.
Brum are losing 3-1 at home.
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Should never have been hired in the 1st place . young English boss like Gary monk showing them how it's done .
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To be fair to them they've been far, far better the last two games. Unlucky to lose this evening.
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They should get shot of Zola and put this bloke in charge to see what he can do.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39186147
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These lot still aren't safe...
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They have get rid of Zola.
This is down to Brum's management.
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Lost to Burton and Zola has resigned. Looking terribly vulnerable and playing the Seals next week.
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Great news,I hope they disappear down the league's.
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Lost to Burton and Zola has resigned. Looking terribly vulnerable and playing the Seals next week.
2 wins in 24 games. Pretty awful
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Zola has resigned,Phil McNulty summed it up perfectly...end of an error
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Has to go down as one of the very worst board decisions of modern times (Alan Irvine doesn't come close, before someone chips in with that)
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Has to go down as one of the very worst board decisions of modern times (Alan Irvine doesn't come close, before someone chips in with that)
Irvine does come a bit close to be honest, but Zola certainly takes the biscuit as a wrong appointment.
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Club director Panos Pavlakis explained their decision to dispense with Rowett, now in charge at Derby County, by saying that Zola's "pedigree" matched their ambition to "move in a new direction".
Ermm...Did he mean downwards?
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Just listened to an interview after his resignation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39624187
Firstly fair play to him for actually resigning instead of just hanging around for as long as possible and lining his pockets. This obviously has to go down as one of the worst appointments in my memory, especially due to the fact that they dispensed with a well performing manager to do so. Absolutely ridiculous. He did not appoint himself though, and has had the humility to give it up after realizing that he couldn't achieve what he hoped he could. A sorry episode that Blues fans will all hope to forget as soon as possible.
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Worst decision ever getting rid of Rowett then singing Zola he's done nothing in management . 2 wins in 23 games shocking and villa next Sunday could help send them down .That will be a war zone
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The dangers of getting in a foreign owner without the faintest clue of how English football works. Probably even more crucial down the divisions. Hope Blues stay up.
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Harry redknapp new blues manager
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Another shocking decision. at least he and Tone can car share from sandbanks though
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Harry redknapp new blues manager
Wasn't expecting that
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Hilarious decision
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If they need a new accountant, Harry could bring his dog along.
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Redknapp is obviously not a long term signing but what Blues need now is someone to lift the place and get those few pts they need, Harry could do that and i hope he starts at Vile Park with a victory.
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he just said on talksport hes doing it for free
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Blimey I thought this was a joke initially, you couldn't script it!
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Redknapp is obviously not a long term signing but what Blues need now is someone to lift the place and get those few pts they need, Harry could do that and i hope he starts at Vile Park with a victory.
he would get freedom of half of the city
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he just said on talksport hes doing it for free
That's what he is telling the taxman ;)
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Steve Cottrill no 2, grooming him for next season
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and they said Zola had resigned :P no way,worded that way to save his blushes and reputation,thank heavens we got the sane and rational chinaman
west mids managers under the chinese so far
vile 2
blues 2
wilfs 2
Albion 0
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I think that Harry will fail.
I think his methods will go over the players heads.
I think he might help a bit with their confidence.
But I don't think the players are intelligent enough or have any heart to get out of relegation.
They won't beat villa on Sunday that's for sure.
That leaves 2 games for survival obviously depending on other results.
But they're doomed.
The owners only seem to want big name managers I don't even know who owns bham and in some ways I don't care.
Blame the board for this debacle I say.
Sorry for the fans and some of my friends with what they have had to put up with for many years now.
Back to basics for the whole club and get a decent owner.
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he wil get the one win they need then cottrill will be in place next season
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They won't beat villa,who are their final 2 matches against?
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They won't beat villa,who are their final 2 matches against?
huddersfield home, bristol city away
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That's what he is telling the taxman ;)
Quality pal :)
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Typical 'Arry, win win, the Blues manage to stay up its all down to him and if they lose and go down its all Zola's fault.
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Typical 'Arry, win win, the Blues manage to stay up its all down to him and if they lose and go down its all Zola's fault.
Its about right.
They were definitely on the way down with Zola 22 games 2 wins.
If 'Arry amasses enough points in the last 3 games to keep them safe he will have done his job.
I do agree though it is a free punt.
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Hope they have plenty of brown envelopes available
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I can see the blues beating the villa Sunday now Zola had gone
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I can see the blues beating the villa Sunday now Zola had gone
hope so
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I see that 'arry says blues need 4 points to stay up.
If they lose against villa,which I think they will,that means their last 2 matches must be a win and a draw.
Can't see it myself.
It's certainly going down to the wire.
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Fancy them to beat Villa
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shocked its not on the box
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shocked its not on the box
http://www.skysports.com/watch/football-on-sky (http://www.skysports.com/watch/football-on-sky)
Celtic Rangers on the same time and also a La Liga game on another channel with Burnley Man U coverage starting 1:30.
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come on birmingham who carry the ciry name, make sure you beat witton town
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Yep ill be a bluenose for the game
Ive a feeling they will beat them....shut witton up for a while
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/football-on-sky (http://www.skysports.com/watch/football-on-sky)
Celtic Rangers on the same time and also a La Liga game on another channel with Burnley Man U coverage starting 1:30.
One of the biggest clubs in the world play their local rivals in a crunch match, and Sky decide to show some nonsense from Scotland. I give up
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I don't like him at all but I do think he's a decent manager for the Championship level. His CV isn't bad but I think he's been judged on his personality and his stint at QPR where he failed, however for the most part he's been a good manager throughout his career.
I think he's grown too stale for the Premier League but in the Championship he will be ok. It's a bit like Neil Warnock or Mick Mcarthy, not good enough for the top level but ideal in stabilising a club in trouble in the Championship. I think they will stay up, mostly due to the others below them struggling and I think Redknapp will get at least 1 point which will be enough.
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As isaid previously,if they lose against villa ,which they have done today.
According to Harry they need 4 points from last 2 games now.
They're going down.into the 3rd division.
I think Blackburn and forest have woken up and will overtake blues,forest have already done it.
Going to the wire.
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I suspect they were hoping the 'Harry effect' would get them a point today! Remaining fixtures for the 3 teams;
Birmingham City V Huddersfield Town
Blackburn Rovers V Aston Villa
Queens Park Rangers V Nottingham Forest
Brentford V Blackburn Rovers
Bristol City V Birmingham City
Nottingham Forest V Ipswich Town
going to be tight, the 2 points lead they currently have over Blackburn could be just enough but they have a poor goal difference.
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Bham and Villa will lose tomorrow's games.
Leaving blues 3rd from bottom going into last match of the season.
Another "huge club" rival going down into 3rd division obscurity.
Nice one Harry.
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Bham and Villa will lose tomorrow's games.
Leaving blues 3rd from bottom going into last match of the season.
Another "huge club" rival going down into 3rd division obscurity.
Nice one Harry.
Hardly his fault if they do go down is it?
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If that going down it's the boards fault for getting rid of Rowett has to go down as the worst football sacking in a long time .
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Hardly his fault if they do go down is it?
No but he will be the mastermind if they stay up. No lose situation.
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Of course it's the boards fault,terrible decisions with illusion's of grandeur.
Rowett I think has the makings of a very good manager, wouldn't mind him at WBA in a few years time.
I'll give arry his due at least he's got the cahonas to give it a go.
But I don't think even he will save them.
Every season there is one club who seemed destined to drop and this season it's blues.
From 6/7 in the league to div 3.
I think they will stay there for a while.
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I don't have any real antipathy towards Blues or their long suffering followers but if ever there was a relegation that was entirely self inflicted this is it. For me the appointment of Harry Redknapp is the cherry on top I cannot abide the man and while he won't be blamed for the relegation he for sure will take maximum credit for survival and if that prolongs the charlatan's career it is an entirely a bad thing.
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I really can see them dropping as they don't seem to have it in them to pull out of out - only Blackburn's ineptitude will keep them up.
So pleased for Burton though - Clough has done a brilliant job there.
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I really can see them dropping as they don't seem to have it in them to pull out of out - only Blackburn's ineptitude will keep them up.
So pleased for Burton though - Clough has done a brilliant job there.
Absolutely agree considering the resources that other clubs have in the Championship Burton's survival is one of the success stories of the season.
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1 nil up at the moment.
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Blues will be relegated on Sunday.
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Blues will be relegated on Sunday.
Can't see it. Blackburn need to win away, big ask
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In for a nervy 10 minutes...
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Those Blackburn fans have been through the mill over the years...
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Those Blackburn fans have been through the mill over the years...
You have to feel for them. Very pleased for Blues though.
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If Bristol had only equalised.
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If Bristol had only equalised.
Would have preferred Forest to have gone, if only Ipswich had turned up.
Was listening to the match up the allotment and Forest were awful for the first 40 mins but Ipswich were just making up the numbers, they hit the post and the Forest keeper made a decent save but that was it.
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Looks like 'Arry will take the job. Can't see that ending well
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One year deal agreed :o
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Looks like 'Arry will take the job. Can't see that ending well
I think he will do ok because even though I think he's too dated to manage in the Premier League, I still think he's a good enough manager in the Championship. I imagine most Blues fans would be comfortable with mid-table next season considering their crazy campaign this time around and I think he can achieve it.
With the new owners I also think they are willing to spend more money than previously, saying they'd spend 10 mill in the coming season which is a decent amount in that league which will also satisfy Arry.
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I think he will do ok because even though I think he's too dated to manage in the Premier League, I still think he's a good enough manager in the Championship. I imagine most Blues fans would be comfortable with mid-table next season considering their crazy campaign this time around and I think he can achieve it.
With the new owners I also think they are willing to spend more money than previously, saying they'd spend 10 mill in the coming season which is a decent amount in that league which will also satisfy Arry.
do they owe us money for Gardner after his loan, I think the deal was 3yrs after his loan spel. finished but never recall what fee was involved in the transfer.
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Think 2 or 3 million was mentioned for Gardner.
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Think 2 or 3 million was mentioned for Gardner.
Daylight robbery!! ;D
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Daylight robbery!! ;D
I agree, he's worth twice as much. ;D
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How long will 'arry hang onto his job? Very poor start to the season. He helped Portsmouth to go down and Tottenham only survived because they had money.
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Iffy arry parts company with blouse,never o e for a scrap was he?
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Iffy arry parts company with blouse,never o e for a scrap was he?
Do we know if he was sacked or resigned? I'm surprised the knees excuse hasn't come back out
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What a surprise. Not at a club where he can throw sackfuls of money about and he can't hack it.
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Do we know if he was sacked or resigned? I'm surprised the knees excuse hasn't come back out
Sacked says WM
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Sacked says WM
sky also reporting he was sacked. ay surprised really.
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They could do with TP in charge.
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What a surprise. Not at a club where he can throw sackfuls of money about and he can't hack it.
Or do dodgy deals with even dodgier agents!
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Pay off. Nice little earner for not much work. Tell his dog to put the washing machine on.
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They could do with TP in charge.
Wishful thinking
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Pay off. Nice little earner for not much work. Tell his dog to put the washing machine on.
You don't mean to launder money do you? :o
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In fairness Harry Redknapp is a decent manager, overrated as *a naughty word* but a solid manager nonetheless for a team like Birmingham. He should have at least had a few months to get that team playing together, modern football is getting sillier and sillier with managerial terms now. First Palace, now the Blouse, i dare say there'll be more to come very soon.
No, he is not a good manager, he is a con man who makes people think he is a good manager by spending lots of money to get results, anyone can do that.
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No, he is not a good manager, he is a con man who makes people think he is a good manager by spending lots of money to get results, anyone can do that.
Correct
I'm wondering if this is the next job for mcinnes ?
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Karanka, ex boro is early fav
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renaming their ground to the trillion trophey stadium, were next then
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Seems Blues are proper up the creek now... A points deduction seems highly likely at this stage at the very least, but the numbers are quite damning and indicate the club could be in the dangerous waters of administration if they don't sort their cashflow problems out :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46765090 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46765090)
"A fuller extent of Birmingham City's financial worries has been revealed by publication of the Championship club's owners' most recent accounts.
Chinese-owned Blues lost £37.5m in the 12 months to the end of June 2018, over double the previous year's deficit, largely as a result of an increased wage bill from £22m to almost £38m.
It is the same time period already under English Football League scrutiny.
And Blues now know that their expected EFL hearing will be heard in February.
This has been speculated about both in the local and national media for some months - and that the end result would be a points penalty.
In the accounts report, City chief executive Xuan Dong Ren confirms that the club received EFL notification in August "in connection with breaches of the profitability and sustainability rules".
The club are currently eighth in the Championship under Garry Monk, 17 points clear of the relegation zone.
Blues revealed prior to the start of this season that they were under an EFL transfer embargo.
This was then lifted, as they worked closely under EFL guidance, following a model business plan which was further made clear to a Championship meeting in September when clubs were briefed on potential penalties - as high as 21 points - if they breach spending regulations.
Blues had by then been given permission to sign five more loan players in August - and are now understood to be allowed one more signing in January.
How bad is it?
Under the EFL's profitability and sustainability rules, Championship clubs are only allowed to lose £39m over three years.
According to the accounts, Birmingham City spent more than £15m on transfer fees in 2017-8.
With club revenue edging up to £18.8m, Blues paid out £202 in wages for every £100 brought in - double the league average.
With transfer fees factored in, that grows to £243 out for every £100 received.
As a result, Birmingham have net liabilities of £55million and owe parent company Birmingham Sports Holdings more than £73million.
That sum will grow over the next 18 months, as the directors' report reveals a further £39m will be needed to keep the club afloat.
Birmingham Sports Holdings are owned by Hong Kong-based, British Virgin Island-registered firm Trillion Trophy Asia, who took over in October 2016.
Blues were then sixth in the Championship, under then manager Gary Rowett, who was sacked two months later, with the club outside the play-off zone only on goal difference."
This is then further backed up by some quite substantial numbers in this series of tweets...
https://twitter.com/almajir/status/1081131310519930880 (https://twitter.com/almajir/status/1081131310519930880)
"Thread incoming...
The #bcfc accounts are out on the Companies House Website and they do not look pretty.
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@almajir
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First up, #bcfc had a loss before taxation of £37.5mil for the year ending June 30 2018, a massive increase from £16.395mil the season before.
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@almajir
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This isn't helped by a huge increase in wage costs. In 2017/18, staff costs jumped from £22mil to just shy of £38mil.
With turnover only increasing maginally to £18.8mil ish, the ratio of wages to turnover for last season is as astronomical 202%
@almajir
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The directors report confirms net liabilities of £55.2mil which indicate the existence of a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt about the company's ability to continue as a going concern,
Also, there is confirmation of the business plan #bcfc are working to
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@almajir
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Breakdown of #bcfc revenue confirms as always that broadcasting income is still king, with over £7.5mil coming from that sector. Matchday receipts on the other hand didn't quite make £5mil.
@almajir
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Of those £37mil wage costs, just under £300k was paid to directors and just under £378k was paid out to senior management staff at #bcfc
@almajir
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There is also confirmation that #bcfc owe around £73mil to the parent company Birmingham Sports Holdings.
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@almajir
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Bottom line is that the club requires an additional £39.1mil from the holding company in funding for the next 18 months.
I'll be writing something on this later when I've properly digested the figures.
#bcfc"
For all the faults, moans and gripes we have with our own owner, this just reminds me once again that it could have been so much worse!
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Out of the cup, lost 2-0 to West Ham.
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Out of the cup, lost 2-0 to West Ham.
The dildo derby?
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Sad to see Fred Pickering has died. I remember him playing out of his skin in the 68 semi final at Vile Park and being desperately unlucky to be on the losing side. Excellent player.
RIP
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Sad to see Fred Pickering has died. I remember him playing out of his skin in the 68 semi final at Vile Park and being desperately unlucky to be on the losing side. Excellent player.
RIP
Fred Pickering R.I.P.
As I remember him, he was a wholehearted and honest player, was a handful for defenders on his day. I agree with your assessment of him in 1968 semi final.
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Saw him play a number of times, for a while he was their main man. RIP Fred
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RIP Fred,very good cf for blues,an honest powerful guy for blues,sad day.
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Blues 9pts deducted.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742
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I have quickly read the judgement and apart from the usual wrecking job from Harry Redknapp the signing of Pederson while under embargo was not seen as an aggravating issue.
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We can expect a very tough game next Friday - they'll be in hard done by mode - siege mentality and all that.
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We can expect a very tough game next Friday - they'll be in hard done by mode - siege mentality and all that.
I was thinking exactly the same, and Monk will have them fired up.
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If anything they'll be relieved it wasn't the full 12 points. We should be targeting a comfortable win.
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Sad to see Fred Pickering has died. I remember him playing out of his skin in the 68 semi final at Vile Park and being desperately unlucky to be on the losing side. Excellent player.
RIP
I have only just seen this, i didn't know. You are right, that was the best display i have seen from a centre forward without him scoring. Osborne was brilliant that day.
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If anything they'll be relieved it wasn't the full 12 points. We should be targeting a comfortable win.
not sure this is how footy works
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Sad pathetic blose fans copying the vile chant f the albion, well we did the ffing and now I hope you go down you shower of s hit.
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Lost 5 on the bounce now. 8 if you extrapolate the points deduction. Monk is no great shakes and they've got a make or break final 3 matches.
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Sad pathetic blose fans copying the vile chant f the albion, well we did the ffing and now I hope you go down you shower of s hit.
I hope they don't, at least I hope they win their next two home games - have a look at the fixture list!
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I hope they don't, at least I hope they win their next two home games - have a look at the fixture list!
.......... is the correct answer 8) .
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I hope they don't, at least I hope they win their next two home games - have a look at the fixture list!
OK I hope they win their next 2 games then go down.
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OK I hope they win their next 2 games then go down.
Sounds good!
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I hope Blues stay up. Good for maintaining the balance of power in the city of Birmingham. Always the next result I look for after Albion's.
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Sad pathetic blose fans copying the vile chant f the albion, well we did the ffing and now I hope you go down you shower of s hit.
For me I just take it as football banter, and in the BRE a few were trying to get a F Birmingham chant going. With our home matches often clashing theres generally a fair few Blues on the trains before and after our games and I've never seen any problems between the two sets of supporters, or when having a pre-match beer in the city centre, and I wouldn't want to see them get relegated, plus it is one of the better awaydays.
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Never cared for blose, but copying that vile chant they can f f right off. I suppose we could take it as a compliment as obviously the vile apparently don't care about us thought of it because we obviously don't matter and now the blose Copt them.
The we had no response to their chant shows us how irrelevant they are to us.
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Having to nick your biggest rivals chant is embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as the scrawny ***** giving it large to our family stand living off the reputation of the Zulus of old.
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Telegraph Twitter Account
Garry Monk facing Birmingham exit after breakdown in relationship with club's chief executive @JPercyTelegraph
Looks like the storiy doing the rounds has legs
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Neil Mobley Twitter Account
Good old Blues. A difficult situation made even worse with Monk’s exit. You’ve got to look at the bloke calling the shots. Points deduction, unnecessary loss of a manager, further financial distress on the horizon. Loss of best players, no room to replace. Fans let down. Again.
There’s always someone worse off than you. I do feel for the Blues fans, hope they can get over this.
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Neil Mobley Twitter Account
Good old Blues. A difficult situation made even worse with Monk’s exit. You’ve got to look at the bloke calling the shots. Points deduction, unnecessary loss of a manager, further financial distress on the horizon. Loss of best players, no room to replace. Fans let down. Again.
There’s always someone worse off than you. I do feel for the Blues fans, hope they can get over this.
It's been reported that he isn't leaving (yet) hasn't it?
Be a huge blow for Blues if he does leave, he has had them punching above their weight when you look at their squad and situation. I did read that one of the big problems was that he didn't want to sign Gary Gardner on a permanent but the club did it anyway, if that is the case then I really cant see him being there come start of the season.
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It's been reported that he isn't leaving (yet) hasn't it?
Be a huge blow for Blues if he does leave, he has had them punching above their weight when you look at their squad and situation. I did read that one of the big problems was that he didn't want to sign Gary Gardner on a permanent but the club did it anyway, if that is the case then I really cant see him being there come start of the season.
Does that mean he's got Gary and Craig? :o
Don't blame him for doing a runner, couldn't make one footballer between em.
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It's been reported that he isn't leaving (yet) hasn't it?
Be a huge blow for Blues if he does leave, he has had them punching above their weight when you look at their squad and situation. I did read that one of the big problems was that he didn't want to sign Gary Gardner on a permanent but the club did it anyway, if that is the case then I really cant see him being there come start of the season.
Reports on Sky News state Monk said he will not resign, if he did he wouldn’t get a pay off. But surely his position is now untenable and a parting of the ways is inevitable.
Like I say, I do feel for the fans
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48720708
League Two side Crawley Town have signed midfielder Beryly Lubala from Championship club Birmingham City.
Only 21. Have we looked at him?
A few steps down the ladder though.
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Alan Nixon Twitter Account
Question
@reluctantnicko any truth behind dwight Gayle to #bcfc on loan?
Nixon's response
Have the Peaky Blinders robbed a bank or what?
It did make I laugh ;D
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Alan Nixon Twitter Account
Question
@reluctantnicko any truth behind dwight Gayle to #bcfc on loan?
Nixon's response
Have the Peaky Blinders robbed a bank or what?
It did make I laugh ;D
I did think that when I saw the rumour, if we cannot afford his wages then there is no way they can
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John Percy Twitter Account
Some welcome good news for Birmingham City, who have been found not guilty over a second EFL charge for breaching financial rules. No points deduction/transfer embargo/fine
Personally, I’m pleased about this
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John Percy Twitter Account
Some welcome good news for Birmingham City, who have been found not guilty over a second EFL charge for breaching financial rules. No points deduction/transfer embargo/fine
Personally, I’m pleased about this
Yup, Pleased for the blooze fans !
Hope the authorities have another Birmingham club on the radar instead!
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Just seen on sky Man U put out the red carpet for Jude Bellingham before the virus hit. Can someone tell me please, 1) how is this lad worth 50 million. This is the price that has been quoted. I understand he’s a decent player, and has scored a couple but what has he done to be valued at this price. Plus, 2nd and I apologize if it’s been asked before. If he’s 16 how can they demand that few where our kids seem to leave for nothing. I thought they couldn’t sign a proper pro contract till 17 or 18? This is how we lots Rogers to man city and the lad to Chelsea a few years ago
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Just seen on sky Man U put out the red carpet for Jude Bellingham before the virus hit. Can someone tell me please, 1) how is this lad worth 50 million. This is the price that has been quoted. I understand he’s a decent player, and has scored a couple but what has he done to be valued at this price. Plus, 2nd and I apologize if it’s been asked before. If he’s 16 how can they demand that few where our kids seem to leave for nothing. I thought they couldn’t sign a proper pro contract till 17 or 18? This is how we lots Rogers to man city and the lad to Chelsea a few years ago
Bellingham is the most advanced teenager in the English game. He is roughly 2 years ahead of his peer group in terms of his development even the best of whom are unlikely to have more than 30 odd games at Championship level by age 19. That is massive, hence all the hype.
In terms of contract he is on the standard 2 year academy contract which will expire in 2021. He can't sign his first professional contract until he is 17 and that can be for no longer than 3 years or if he waits until 18 then it can be for a maximum of 5 years. Until he is 18 he can't sign up to anything without his parent's consent.
With 1 year left on his academy contract his suitors shouldn't need to offer anything like £50m unless he has signalled his willingness to sign a 3 year professional contract with Blues in June. It is a measure of the hype surrounding the player that this sort of figure can be mentioned. United or whoever should only be paying a fraction of that. amount.
It is very easy for players to run their contracts down in the 16 to 20 age range.
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Bellingham is the most advanced teenager in the English game. He is roughly 2 years ahead of his peer group in terms of his development even the best of whom are unlikely to have more than 30 odd games at Championship level by age 19. That is massive, hence all the hype.
In terms of contract he is on the standard 2 year academy contract which will expire in 2021. He can't sign his first professional contract until he is 17 and that can be for no longer than 3 years or if he waits until 18 then it can be for a maximum of 5 years. Until he is 18 he can't sign up to anything without his parent's consent.
With 1 year left on his academy contract his suitors shouldn't need to offer anything like £50m unless he has signalled his willingness to sign a 3 year professional contract with Blues in June. It is a measure of the hype surrounding the player that this sort of figure can be mentioned. United or whoever should only be paying a fraction of that. amount.
It is very easy for players to run their contracts down in the 16 to 20 age range.
So in your opinion he is worth the hype? But won’t go for anything like 50m ?
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As much as any 16 year old can justify the hype yes. I am never ceased to be amazed at what football clubs pay for players particularly ones on a short contract so I cannot be certain that Man U in particular won't do something absolutely stupid but even without the pandemic £50m was way over the top in the post pandemic world not even close
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And i raise you one Trevor Francis?
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And i raise you one Trevor Francis?
Not sure he has kept his fitness up to level required?
But he would be on a free
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And i raise you one Trevor Francis?
I see your Trevor Francis and raise you an Alun Evans and Peter Marinello. You never can tell how things pan out for young footballers
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Fairly sure I read somewhere that Jude's dad (also agent) has said he's going to stay at Blues until he's 18, to repay the faith and development they have put in.
In general, I think we can going to see transfers shrink in the next couple of windows, as the game has less money swishing about due to the lockdowns etc.
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I also see you Stan and raise you Rooney.
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A good example of why clubs like Man United are poison for the modern game. To offer £50 million for a 16 year old underlines they have lost all sense of the value of money. Yes, £50 million maybe sounds a nice round figure. And with fans that like bragging they are the biggest club in the world, maybe £50 million sounds normal.
You couldn't blame Birmingham if they just said thanks very much MU, we'll take the money, but football just gets further and further away from the real world.
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If reports are true, that’s £130 million Man U are prepared to pay for Bellingham and Grealish... yikes :o
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Fairly sure I read somewhere that Jude's dad (also agent) has said he's going to stay at Blues until he's 18, to repay the faith and development they have put in.
In general, I think we can going to see transfers shrink in the next couple of windows, as the game has less money swishing about due to the lockdowns etc.
Yeah right, lets just see shall we.
I certainly don't think Jude's Dad will be able to resist minting the whole family for life, and I imagine that given the financial position Blues are in, the owners are not going to turn down the figure reported.
You can see a few players moving when this is over just for the money that it brings to the selling club to recover from the impact of the virus.
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Yeah right, lets just see shall we.
I certainly don't think Jude's Dad will be able to resist minting the whole family for life, and I imagine that given the financial position Blues are in, the owners are not going to turn down the figure reported.
You can see a few players moving when this is over just for the money that it brings to the selling club to recover from the impact of the virus.
Yep
At his age and with that money being dangled, blues will be mad to say no...
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Yeah right, lets just see shall we.
I certainly don't think Jude's Dad will be able to resist minting the whole family for life, and I imagine that given the financial position Blues are in, the owners are not going to turn down the figure reported.
You can see a few players moving when this is over just for the money that it brings to the selling club to recover from the impact of the virus.
If a club is offering Blues 50 million for him, staying till 18 makes little difference - he will have repaid Blues anyway.
Staggering amount of money for a kid with so much left to prove.
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I honestly think that fans journalists etc... need to recalibrate their numbers. Football post pandemic will not be the same as football pre pandemic £50m was borderline ridiculous pre pandemic and it along with any other fee can be scaled back massively until club's balance sheets have recovered from the shock and that might take a long time. We aren't at the point where a talent like Bellingham will be traded for a spare kit but £50m ain't happening.
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Bellingham has gone to Dortmund for reported £26m.
If only our treacherous youth players could do the right thing and sign their contracts they too could still get the big move without screwing us.
We seem to consider our academy to be good with so many youth internationals, blah, blah, but it is ex blose youth players like Redmond, Gray and Butland who have consistently played in the prem.
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They’ve decided to retire Bellingham’s no 22 shirt :o
Less than 50 apps with just 4 goals and they’re retiring his number. I don’t mind the blues but my word this has made me laugh
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They’ve decided to retire Bellingham’s no 22 shirt :o
Less than 50 apps with just 4 goals and they’re retiring his number. I don’t mind the blues but my word this has made me laugh
So silly. What if he turns into a bust? Or just becomes mediocre?
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It has come to something that a club is so grateful that a 16 year signed a contract a year ago which meant the club could sell him for a sufficiently large fee to ensure it's survival over the next 12 months that it retires his shirt, the iconic #22.
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Crisis club: X-rated rants, swingeing cuts and a manager on the brink - how Birmingham City descended into chaos.
A decade after the finest moment in their history - the League Cup final win over Arsenal at Wembley - Birmingham are a club in tatters
(Source: telegraph.co.uk) The story is behind a pay wall
I've always had a soft spot for the Blue Noses in comparison to vile and wolves, I hope they can sort themselves out, but they probably have a root cause similar to what we have
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I also have a softspot for Blues and hope they turn it around. Always look forward to Albion-Blues derbies.
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That’s probably just because they’ve been by far the least successful of the 4 big midland clubs in the last decade. If they starting winning again I bet the soft spot gets smaller.
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I always remember the story told to me by my close friend who recently passed. He was a lifelong bluenose and STH. He told me some tale about the ground being cursed many years ago by travellers who used to live there before the ground was built.
Given their consistent bad luck I do wonder if it is true.
I hope they pull it round to be honest, I would probably be a bluenose had I not been cursed by the Albion.
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I always remember the story told to me by my close friend who recently passed. He was a lifelong bluenose and STH. He told me some tale about the ground being cursed many years ago by travellers who used to live there before the ground was built.
Given their consistent bad luck I do wonder if it is true.
I hope they pull it round to be honest, I would probably be a bluenose had I not been cursed by the Albion.
I had heard of the 100year curse as well, expired now allegedly.
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No derby for us next season unless anybody considers the clay heads one
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Always enjoyed the touch of 'frisson' experienced at St Andrews particularly on the walk back into town after a win
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They seem to have similar problems to us but a division below
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During his tenure as Manager, didn’t Barry Fry have that curse exorcised?
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During his tenure as Manager, didn’t Barry Fry have that curse exorcised?
He was reputed to have tinkled in each corner of the pitch in an attempt to lift the curse and later confirmed he didn't think that it had worked ;D .
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Always enjoyed the touch of 'frisson' experienced at St Andrews particularly on the walk back into town after a win
Not one for the faint-hearted, that's for sure.
Being from the West Birmingham - Sandwell border, quite a few of my mates are Blues fans. They used to wind me up proper when we were younger (when they had that successful period) but they've mellowed in their older age, as has my animosity towards their club.
They are a very passionate fan base and deserve a hell of a lot better from their owners - very similar to ourselves, actually.
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I had heard of the 100year curse as well, expired now allegedly.
I think the bluenoses will beg to differ with you on that....... :D
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I think the bluenoses will beg to differ with you on that....... :D
Surely they can’t say there’s a curse still after gaining promotion twice and winning a cup since the start of the century.
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Apparently there’s a new billionaire wanting to purchase the blues, his name is Lee Guan ;D
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Apparently there’s a new billionaire wanting to purchase the blues, his name is Lee Guan ;D
That's an ouch ;D .
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Apparently there’s a new billionaire wanting to purchase the blues, his name is Lee Guan ;D
Brilliant :D
Never had much animosity towards Blues but some of their younger fan base are a bunch of **** who live off their fans former years.
More than happy to watch them sink.
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Blues manager gone. If you think we are bad just take a look at these. Some articles are even saying wilder for the job, yeah right
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Lee Bowyer resigns as Charlton Manager to take over at the blues.
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Here's hoping Harper gets game time further up the pitch. Surprised Karanka had him playing as a CDM.
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Here's hoping Harper gets game time further up the pitch. Surprised Karanka had him playing as a CDM.
Look he's just El Pulis there is only CDM's in his playbook
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Reading that Birmingham City owners have sold St Andrews. That’s not good
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Thought that'd been decided on a couple of months back?
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Thought that'd been decided on a couple of months back?
It had been talked about, but as of 7th June 2021 it’s now fact
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This is the document that confirms the sale for £10.78m
BIRMINGHAM SPORTS HOLDINGS LIMITED
伯明翰體育控股有é™å…¬å¸
(Incorporated in the Cayman Islands with limited liability)
(Stock Code: 2309)
DISCLOSEABLE TRANSACTIONS -
COMPLETION OF DISPOSAL OF INTERESTS IN A SUBSIDIARY
AND
EXECUTION OF THE VARIED LEASE AGREEMENT
Reference is made to the announcement of Birmingham Sports Holdings Limited (the "Company") dated 31 March 2021, in relation to, among others, the Company's disposal of interests in a subsidiary and the entering into of a varied lease agreement (the "Announcement"). Unless the context requires. otherwise, capitalised terms used herein shall have the same meanings as those defined in the Announcement.
COMPLETION OF THE DISPOSAL
The Board is pleased to announce that all conditions precedent the Sale and Purchase Agreement have been fulfilled and Completion took place on 7 June 2021 as agreed in accordance with the terms of the Sale and Purchase Agreement. The amount of the Sale Loan as at Completion was approximately GBP10.78 million (equivalent to approximately HK$117.1 million). The Consideration for the sale I purchase of the Sale Shares was approximately GBP0.02 million (equivalent to approximately HK$0.2 million). Immediately after the Completion, BCSL ceased to be a subsidiary of the Company and the Company no longer hold any interest in the shares of BCSL.
EXECUTION OF THE VARIED LEASE AGREEMENT
On 7 June 2021, BCSL and BCFC entered into the New Deed of Variation and the Varied Lease Agreement, the principal terms of which are detailed in the Announcement.
For illustration purpose only, conversion of GBP into HKS in this announcement is based on the exchange rate of GBPI to HK$10.86.
By Order of the Board
Birmingham Sports Holdings Limited
Zhao Wenging Chairman
Hong Kong, 7 June 2021
As at the date of this announcement, the Board comprises nine Directors, namely Mr. Zhao Wenging (Chairman), Mr. Huang Dongfeng (Chief Executive Officer), Mr. Yiu Chun Kong. Mr. Hsiao Chang Geng and Dr. Guo Honglin as Executive Directors; Mr. Sue Ka Lok as Non-executive Director; and Mr. Pun Chi Ping, Ms. Leung Pik Har, Christine and Mr. Yeung Chi Tat as Independent Non
executive Directors.
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I must admit I've lost track of the Birmingham City story over the last few years. Did Carson Yeung actually sell or did he just give it to a mate?
It's actually impressive that the club has (somehow) stayed in the Championship as long as they have considering the lack of investment etc. It's also really sad. I think if/when they get relegated it will be a long way back.
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This is the document that confirms the sale for £10.78m
BIRMINGHAM SPORTS HOLDINGS LIMITED
伯明翰體育控股有é™å…¬å¸
(Incorporated in the Cayman Islands with limited liability)
(Stock Code: 2309)
DISCLOSEABLE TRANSACTIONS -
COMPLETION OF DISPOSAL OF INTERESTS IN A SUBSIDIARY
AND
EXECUTION OF THE VARIED LEASE AGREEMENT
Reference is made to the announcement of Birmingham Sports Holdings Limited (the "Company") dated 31 March 2021, in relation to, among others, the Company's disposal of interests in a subsidiary and the entering into of a varied lease agreement (the "Announcement"). Unless the context requires. otherwise, capitalised terms used herein shall have the same meanings as those defined in the Announcement.
COMPLETION OF THE DISPOSAL
The Board is pleased to announce that all conditions precedent the Sale and Purchase Agreement have been fulfilled and Completion took place on 7 June 2021 as agreed in accordance with the terms of the Sale and Purchase Agreement. The amount of the Sale Loan as at Completion was approximately GBP10.78 million (equivalent to approximately HK$117.1 million). The Consideration for the sale I purchase of the Sale Shares was approximately GBP0.02 million (equivalent to approximately HK$0.2 million). Immediately after the Completion, BCSL ceased to be a subsidiary of the Company and the Company no longer hold any interest in the shares of BCSL.
EXECUTION OF THE VARIED LEASE AGREEMENT
On 7 June 2021, BCSL and BCFC entered into the New Deed of Variation and the Varied Lease Agreement, the principal terms of which are detailed in the Announcement.
For illustration purpose only, conversion of GBP into HKS in this announcement is based on the exchange rate of GBPI to HK$10.86.
By Order of the Board
Birmingham Sports Holdings Limited
Zhao Wenging Chairman
Hong Kong, 7 June 2021
As at the date of this announcement, the Board comprises nine Directors, namely Mr. Zhao Wenging (Chairman), Mr. Huang Dongfeng (Chief Executive Officer), Mr. Yiu Chun Kong. Mr. Hsiao Chang Geng and Dr. Guo Honglin as Executive Directors; Mr. Sue Ka Lok as Non-executive Director; and Mr. Pun Chi Ping, Ms. Leung Pik Har, Christine and Mr. Yeung Chi Tat as Independent Non
executive Directors.
So the owner sold the ground to another of his companies for £28m but leased it back for £1.25m / yr for 25 years effectively £31.25m, (so 10% for admin costs)
Unless I am missing something this is just a vehicle to drive down the clubs debts, interest costs etc
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So the owner sold the ground to another of his companies for £28m but leased it back for £1.25m / yr for 25 years effectively £31.25m, (so 10% for admin costs)
Unless I am missing something this is just a vehicle to drive down the clubs debts, interest costs etc
I am but a simple person Albionic, but if BCFC own the club and sell it, they then rent it back for £1.25m a year, is that not a short term gain for a long term loss? and what happens after 25 years? Does it also mean that BCFC are saddled with their present ownership for at least 25 years? Sounds a bit like equity release to me.
And actually more relevant, could this happen to us?
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I am but a simple person Albionic, but if BCFC own the club and sell it, they then rent it back for £1.25m a year, is that not a short term gain for a long term loss? and what happens after 25 years? Does it also mean that BCFC are saddled with their present ownership for at least 25 years? Sounds a bit like equity release to me.
And actually more relevant, could this happen to us?
Yes it absolutely could.
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I am but a simple person Albionic, but if BCFC own the club and sell it, they then rent it back for £1.25m a year, is that not a short term gain for a long term loss? and what happens after 25 years? Does it also mean that BCFC are saddled with their present ownership for at least 25 years? Sounds a bit like equity release to me.
And actually more relevant, could this happen to us?
Also means the owners could sell the club but hold onto the ground
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Yes it absolutely could.
Well I thought that to be the case, I was hoping for some wise sage to tell me that it was not possible due to some legal reason etc.
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Yes it absolutely could.
Think it will forever be a risk, sadly. :'(
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Also means the owners could sell the club but hold onto the ground
You'd hope they never got planning permission for anything like housing or offices.
Fingers crossed for the future of Birmingham City and St Andrews.
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Well I thought that to be the case, I was hoping for some wise sage to tell me that it was not possible due to some legal reason etc.
It has never actually been done as far as I am aware and as Alex says, you'd expect a combination of the Local Authority and public pressure would not allow it. However it wouldnt be a good move anyway.
People have made comments about the Hawthorns being sold for housing in the past and would not be a good investment. I didnt think it would be but i wondered why people often said it so i double checked the math's.
I think i worked out you'd get around 60 average 3 beds on a football pitch not factoring gardens or roads, so lets say it is still around 60 with the extra land we have with car parks, and stands etc. At £250,000 a piece that is £15,000,000 but the houses aren't built for free. Even if you could get a 40% margin you'd barely make £5m. You could stick some other facilities and probably make more in rents over time but nothing worth destroying a £100m football club for.
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I am but a simple person Albionic, but if BCFC own the club and sell it, they then rent it back for £1.25m a year, is that not a short term gain for a long term loss? and what happens after 25 years? Does it also mean that BCFC are saddled with their present ownership for at least 25 years? Sounds a bit like equity release to me.
And actually more relevant, could this happen to us?
My take is (right or more likely wrong) is that BCFC Ltd are owned by Mr X, the same Mr X also owns a company BCFC holdings (for arguments sake). He sells the ground from Ltd to holdings, so reducing debt of Ltd but inflating debt of holdings (will clearly reduce over time as Ltd pays down its debt).
As Ltd are the club required to be financially viable by footballing authorities he has "helped" that entity.
Consequences include
a) assets of Ltd diminish
b) after 25 years Ltd has to negotiate a new deal
c) if Mr X, moves on a buyer would potentially need to buy both Ltd & Holdings
d) if holdings can get cheaper finance MrX's overall debt decreases
e) Mr X can llikely liberate "dividends" from both Ltd & Holdings
I echo the sentiment that it seems to benefit Mr X and not BCFC LTD,
Are we not structured as a football club operating beneath a holding company already, so it would be interesting to know which entity owns the ground etc.
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It has never actually been done as far as I am aware and as Alex says, you'd expect a combination of the Local Authority and public pressure would not allow it. However it wouldnt be a good move anyway.
People have made comments about the Hawthorns being sold for housing in the past and would not be a good investment. I didnt think it would be but i wondered why people often said it so i double checked the math's.
I think i worked out you'd get around 60 average 3 beds on a football pitch not factoring gardens or roads, so lets say it is still around 60 with the extra land we have with car parks, and stands etc. At £250,000 a piece that is £15,000,000 but the houses aren't built for free. Even if you could get a 40% margin you'd barely make £5m. You could stick some other facilities and probably make more in rents over time but nothing worth destroying a £100m football club for.
From memory JC I think they own a fair chunk of land around the ground too, so the actual footprint is larger.
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From memory JC I think they own a fair chunk of land around the ground too, so the actual footprint is larger.
You are right, i forgot to factor that in. You may be able to add the training ground which is probably more valuable real estate purely considering post code and the potential home value.
It would take a who lot of houses though, against a backdrop of public outcry to be more valuable than the football club. I just dont think the whole asset stripping is that big a threat to us and clubs like Blues.
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In business it’s always best policy to own the building that you undertake your business in.
The owner can then buy the property off the business and rent it back to the business.
In some cases if the business goes pear shaped the owner hasn’t lost everything.
And if the building is in a Golden share position it may be worth a lot more than he paid for it anyway.
Or of course rent it to another business altogether at a much higher rate than renting to his own business,which may have been only a peppercorn rate.
It’s interesting how one can manipulate a situation to suit.
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It has never actually been done as far as I am aware and as Alex says, you'd expect a combination of the Local Authority and public pressure would not allow it. However it wouldnt be a good move anyway.
People have made comments about the Hawthorns being sold for housing in the past and would not be a good investment. I didnt think it would be but i wondered why people often said it so i double checked the math's.
I think i worked out you'd get around 60 average 3 beds on a football pitch not factoring gardens or roads, so lets say it is still around 60 with the extra land we have with car parks, and stands etc. At £250,000 a piece that is £15,000,000 but the houses aren't built for free. Even if you could get a 40% margin you'd barely make £5m. You could stick some other facilities and probably make more in rents over time but nothing worth destroying a £100m football club for.
Regarding planning permission, you have to remember that a Government appointed Inspector has the last word if it is taken to appeal. But a strong factor would be how the site is allocated in the Local Plan. I asssume its under the Sports facilities/recreation heading which should rule out housing, but if the alternative is that an owner lets it become "unviable", the powers that be have to look at alternatives. Just look at some pub sites, which face a similar dillema.
From a commercial point of view, I'm afraid that residential is usually a safe bet, as the value tends to go up rather than down.
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I'm seeing reports that a number of the stands at Small Heath are deemed unsafe so ticket numbers are vastly reduced and supporters have to go into a ballot for tickets!
https://www.bcfc.com/news/articles/2021/club-statement-kop-and-tilton-stands/
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I'm seeing reports that a number of the stands at Small Heath are deemed unsafe so ticket numbers are vastly reduced and supporters have to go into a ballot for tickets!
St Andrew's is a dump. I couldn't believe it when I went a couple of seasons ago that you cant buy food or drink with a card, cash only.
It was 2019 for God's sake and St Andrew's is located in the nations second city. They seriously need to get up with the times. Starving I was!
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The black humour on SHA is a wonder to behold
Songs for Saturday is a particular favourite
Our Grounds a pooh hole i want to go home, Rivets keep falling on my head, Sat on my sofa I'd rather be sat on my sofa, we are the BOLTS from the Tilton, We're supposed to be at home, and the winner is;
Two stands…. We’ve only got two stands
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The blues have changed their name to Small Heath Alliance today ‘By order of the peaky blinders’.
Small time ;D
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The blues have changed their name to Small Heath Alliance today ‘By order of the peaky blinders’.
Small time ;D
Me and my mates were laughing about this the other day.
The club have changed their name for one weekend, in honour of... a tv show. They've changed it to 'Small Heath Alliance', which is their original name.
However the show is set just after the first world war - at this point, they were already playing under the name 'Birmingham', albeit without the City.
Forget the name, they want to sort out those knackered stands. :D
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The blues have changed their name to Small Heath Alliance today ‘By order of the peaky blinders’.
Small time ;D
What would we call ourselves at the moment if we had to go by the name of a TV show? Perhaps in preparation for the summer transfer window, ‘Bargain Hunt?’😀
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What would we call ourselves at the moment if we had to go by the name of a TV show? Perhaps in preparation for the summer transfer window, ‘Bargain Hunt?’😀
As time goes Lai
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All our yesterday's
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"Big Trouble in Little China"
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Take over I’m the pipeline. A blues fan involved as well. A little envious if honest, I wish our club would go back into British hands
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I don't care whose hands our club goes into as long as they care and want to advance us on and off the pitch like the owners of Leicester.
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Read an article today that the US investors are after any prem club with real investment for the future. Just got to get there first.
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EXCLUSIVE: Laurence Bassini faces make or break deadline to complete Birmingham takeover
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/laurence-bassini-faces-make-break-27276337
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EXCLUSIVE: Birmingham City sacked manager Lee Bowyer this morning to add further fuel to takeover claims
âœï¸|@Neil_Moxley,mirror.co.uk/sport/football…
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You have to feel sorry for Bowyer given that he has pretty much single handed kept the show on the road at the heart of an utterly shambolic club. Laurence Bassini will absolutely not make matters any better.
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You have to feel sorry for Bowyer given that he has pretty much single handed kept the show on the road at the heart of an utterly shambolic club. Laurence Bassini will absolutely not make matters any better.
Bassini missed the proof of funding deadline and is currently out of the running. If I'm honest the Blues supporter and Maxi Lopez combo doesn't sound remotely dodgy at all either..........
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Bassini missed the proof of funding deadline and is currently out of the running. If I'm honest the Blues supporter and Maxi Lopez combo doesn't sound remotely dodgy at all either..........
I imagine that there will be a lot of relieved bluenoses around when they hear this news
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Birmingham have appointed John Eustace as Head Coach, Keith Downing will be joining him as his assistant along with club legend Maik Taylor
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You have to feel sorry for Bowyer given that he has pretty much single handed kept the show on the road at the heart of an utterly shambolic club. Laurence Bassini will absolutely not make matters any better.
Sorry for him?
If it wasn't for points deductions elsewhere he would have taken them down.
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Sorry for him?
If it wasn't for points deductions elsewhere he would have taken them down.
Had Bowyer been given some of the £22m generated from the sale he could have bought better players and made blues more competitive. It’s a bit like us really, whoever is in charge needs the backing and support of the board, not just left to make do with what he has got and kids.
Ever since the hand shandy brothers left that club had been mismanaged
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Listened to Laurence Bassini on TalkSport earlier with Jim White and Simon Jordan earlier and what a car crash 7 minutes it was.
We, as Baggies fans, have much to moan about our owner, but should Bassini buy the Blues, I seriously fear for their future existence. He comes across as a very unstable individual with a massive ego, a deadly combination.
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Listened to Laurence Bassini on TalkSport earlier with Jim White and Simon Jordan earlier and what a car crash 7 minutes it was.
We, as Baggies fans, have much to moan about our owner, but should Bassini buy the Blues, I seriously fear for their future existence. He comes across as a very unstable individual with a massive ego, a deadly combination.
He is absolutely bonkers.
No way he can surely be allowed to take over that club.
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He is absolutely bonkers.
No way he can surely be allowed to take over that club.
Birmingham City FC will be no longer if Bassini gets control, the current owner is bad enough, but this guy is on a different planet
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The various football authorities have been criticised on the "fit & proper" tests for owners sometimes with justification on others less so but if they allow Laurence Bassini anywhere near the ownership of a club then you really are at the point where you switch off the lights and close the door.
I just don't think the EFL will sanction the "deal" which is quite likely based on nothing more than smoke and mirrors anyway. The bigger pity from a Birmingham perspective if there are any serious buyers out there they are being delayed in coming forward by this buffoons antics.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Bassini
Doesn't make for pleasant reading for Blues fans. I hope the FA do their job and look at this very closely. I don't wish any ill will towards our near neighbours.
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To be perfectly honest I'd be quite happy for Talksport not to give Bassini any more airtime. He seems to have some personal issues which may be better faced away from the public glare. If Jeremy Kyle were still on air he'd be all over this like a Seal in a barrel of fish.
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Richardson and Lopez have done a deal to take over the blues apparently. Is this all the Bassini crew?
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Richardson and Lopez have done a deal to take over the blues apparently. Is this all the Bassini crew?
I think Bassini is a separate group
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I think Bassini is a separate group
Ahh ok thanks. Sounds more promising for blues fans then.
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Ahh ok thanks. Sounds more promising for blues fans then.
Yes, they're meant to be more stable and professional according to Tom Ross.
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Yes, they're meant to be more stable and professional according to Tom Ross.
One of the partners, Paul Richardson, is a local businessman and apparently a Blues fan, which sounds good for them.
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All a bit hypocritical if you ask me seeing as how they (EFL) conduct the fit and proper tests?
Following the conclusion of an investigation into the proposed acquisition of Control at Birmingham City, the EFL has today charged the Club and a number of other individuals with alleged breaches of EFL Regulations.
The EFL has been considering whether the Club, any Official(s), and/or any Persons involved with the proposed acquisition of Control complied with the requirements of the Regulations in relation to the Owners’ and Directors’ Test (OADT).
Having comprehensively reviewed all relevant issues, the EFL has now determined there is sufficient evidence to justify issuing various charges of Misconduct.
The charges allege that a number of people were allowed to and did act as Relevant Persons and/or acquired Control of the Club without the prior approval of the EFL, and associated breaches.
The multiple matters will now be referred to an independent Disciplinary Commission and due to them being subject to ongoing proceedings, the EFL will not be making any further comment.
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Feels like the efl have a bit of an agenda against blues, although they’re just as badly run as us ;D
Bet they get more points deducted than Man City.
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It’s awful what’s happening down the Blues with their ownership something the EFL & government should hang their heads in shame at considering they passed the fit & proper test.
Disappointed to see some Albion fans on Twitter & lots of Derby fans handing it out in the comments, I get that it’s social media and most are either 14 year old kids or the dregs of society on the wind up but given what happened at derby / is happening at Albion you don’t want any other fan base to go through ownership problems at the club.
English football is going to have a serious serious problem on it’s hands before too long with old historic clubs going to the wall, made even more galling by the hundreds of millions spent by Premier League clubs every year.
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I would love it they continue on this terrible run and go down.
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How on earth did they they look so good against us ? Bizarre !
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How on earth did they they look so good against us ? Bizarre !
Think we were more absolutely woeful than they were good, even then if it wasn't for having David Button in goal i'm not sure it would have been anything other than a dreary 0-0.
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Think we were more absolutely woeful than they were good, even then if it wasn't for having David Button in goal i'm not sure it would have been anything other than a dreary 0-0.
But that was why it was so disappointing; we never even hurt them and made them look so competent.
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the two performances against these will most likely be the points that cost us
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Talk about being in the very deep doo doo!
First the ground starts to fall down then;
Training ground building burns down and unusable and closed until further notice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-64834365
This is hilarious
https://twitter.com/LeModFootball/status/1631603367154790400
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Talk about being in the very deep doo doo!
First the ground starts to fall down then;
Training ground building burns down and unusable and closed until further notice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-64834365
This is hilarious
https://twitter.com/LeModFootball/status/1631603367154790400
That twitter piece is sheer genius, I applaud you for sharing sir !
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Bluenoses have sacked Eustace and the granny shagger looks to be odds on to replace him
Strange goings on and another example of owners without a clue or ounce of sense
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Completely class less statement on the noses site, First paragraph is awful !
It is essential that the Board of Directors and the football management are fully aligned on the importance of implementing a winning mentality and a culture of ambition across the entire Football Club.
With this in mind, Birmingham City has today parted company with Head Coach, John Eustace.
Eustace departs after 15 months in charge, having helped to stabilise and strengthen the Club on the pitch following his appointment in July 2022.
In his first season at the helm, he guided the team to a 17th-place finish, securing Sky Bet Championship status with three games remaining.
During his time at St. Andrew’s, he galvanised the squad to deliver a number of memorable moments in testing circumstances.
The Club would like to thank John for his contribution. His dedication and work ethic was evident throughout his time in B9 and he will always be welcomed back to St. Andrew’s.
A new First Team Manager will be announced in the coming days who will be responsible for creating an identity and clear ‘no fear’ playing style that all Birmingham City teams will adopt and embrace.
The Club will be issuing no further comment at this time.
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We sacked our manager when we were fourth and heading into the sticky end of the season. Not really sure we can point a finger at Blues here. Hopefully given Colin's departure and now Eustace's opposition managers will begin to fear beating us so we go on to over achieve with our forward free forward line and soon to be out of contract squad members. Hope springs eternal. COYB 8) .
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Only time will tell if this is a stupid decision or not.
All I think is we might actually beat them now Eustace has gone.
He'll get another job, he's done very well at Blues.
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We sacked our manager when we were fourth and heading into the sticky end of the season. Not really sure we can point a finger at Blues here. Hopefully given Colin's departure and now Eustace's opposition managers will begin to fear beating us so we go on to over achieve with our forward free forward line and soon to be out of contract squad members. Hope springs eternal. COYB 8) .
Agreed in that I hardly think we are the yardstick for astute executive decision making,
The tone of the notification is not something I would expect from a reasonable board, its more akin to something I would expect from Chansiri at Sheff Wed.
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Groundhog Day anyone? Smacks of when they sacked Rowett and got in Zola.
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Well they have gotten Roon Wanney now, an utterly useless piece of dog excrement that they thoroughly deserve.
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Well they have gotten Roon Wanney now, an utterly useless piece of dog excrement that they thoroughly deserve.
Steady, you're talking about a future Albion manager head coach :-X
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Well they have gotten Roon Wanney now, an utterly useless piece of dog excrement that they thoroughly deserve.
From Small Heath Alliance in 1875 to Wayne Rooney's Birmingham City in 2023. You can't hold progress. Apparently. I can't believe he's only 37 when he looks older than me and I'm 55. All those grannies must have rubbed off in ways he'd never bargained on.
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From Small Heath Alliance in 1875 to Wayne Rooney's Birmingham City in 2023. You can't hold progress. Apparently. I can't believe he's only 37 when he looks older than me and I'm 55. All those grannies must have rubbed off in ways he'd never bargained on.
i have to admit to being ignorant of Rooneys mis-demeanours as I try not to look at "celeb" stuff, but the granny jibes intrigued me, so i read a synopsis piece of his past (from the mirror).
The guy appears to be an utter disgrace if what is reported has any credibility (s'pose it has, or has there been a litany of libel cases as well?)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wayne-rooneys-scandalous-life-granny-24618892
Have to agree that any club owner who employs this twonk is asking for trouble and bad publicity.
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Going to be interesting when Vardy scores against them !
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Rooney and Blues new owners deserve each other.
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Im not keen on Rooney, but he did s good job at Derby, if he does well at Blues his next stop is once a blue always a blue!
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Im not keen on Rooney, but he did s good job at Derby, if he does well at Blues his next stop is once a blue always a blue!
A few people felt that it was Liam Rosenior, who was a coach at Derby, that had the most influence on the team when Rooney was in charge.
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Given his previous two appointments, if he has any future in football management then he has to make a success of this one. Sadly I think this is a ‘vanity project’ appointment that will end in tears…..
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Doesn't make any sense to me as Eustace was doing a decent steady job. Could this be American owners wanting to make a "celebrity" appointment? Sounds like they have a lot to learn about the English Championship.
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The aged Balsall heath prossies, are dusting down their zimmer frames, in anticipation of a visit from Wayne.
Sorry, if we can't say prossies.
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The aged Balsall heath prossies, are dusting down their zimmer frames, in anticipation of a visit from Wayne.
Sorry, if we can't say prossies.
What a charming vision that is aging blubber bound scouser getting his rocks blown by Trace &/or Shazza behind the coach and hosses , retch!!
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The tubby one getting pelters from the bluenose ultras two (lost) games in! ;D
https://twitter.com/MaciejunioYJB/status/1717307909019684923
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The tubby one getting pelters from the bluenose ultras two (lost) games in! ;D
https://twitter.com/MaciejunioYJB/status/1717307909019684923
;D .
I think it's fair to suggest he would have heard that ;D .
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made me laugh when I scrolled down the replies and found a copy of this posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IweagwHnNbo
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made me laugh when I scrolled down the replies and found a copy of this posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IweagwHnNbo
Not one of the granny diddler's finer moments. I remember that clip very well. Lad I knew was one of the many who follow England everywhere including that tournament.
He was really disillusioned by our performances and application out there. When he saw that clip he said something along the lines of 'Rooney and his mates can go forth and multiply'.
He hasn't set foot in a football stadium at any level since. He even point point blank refuses to watch Halesowen Town and they're literally just down the road from where he lives.
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What a charming vision that is aging blubber bound scouser getting his rocks blown by Trace &/or Shazza behind the coach and hosses , retch!!
I don't think their fixadent would allow that, these days.
The granny botherer is a god send and I think Rosenior showed who the brains was at Derby.
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I don't think their fixadent would allow that, these days.
The granny botherer is a god send and I think Rosenior showed who the brains was at Derby.
They probably wouldn't need to worry about Fixodent as I imagine Granny Botherer prefers them with their teeth in a glass ;) .
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Whoops!!!!
The tubby granny botherer bites the dust once more. Are we possibly looking at one of the shortest managerial tenures ever?
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Whoops!!!!
The tubby granny botherer bites the dust once more. Are we possibly looking at one of the shortest managerial tenures ever?
Already?! Thanks for playing Wayne!
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Whoops!!!!
The tubby granny botherer bites the dust once more. Are we possibly looking at one of the shortest managerial tenures ever?
Don't want to tempt fate but with luck a fair wind and a decent referee I'm hoping he hangs on until February 3rd.
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Mobray leaving them. Any one else heard this?
Edit... It is now on BBC site, medical reasons.
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Mobray leaving them. Any one else heard this?
Edit... It is now on BBC site, medical reasons.
Only temporary while he undergoes treatment for an unnamed illness.
Hope he recovers quickly