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Exclusive: #wba have agreed a deal with Galatasaray to sign Mbaye Diagne - initial loan with an option to buy. Albion are now making arrangements for the Senegal striker to be flown to the UK to undergo a medical. As per @SkySportsLyall
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Galatasary fans very unhappy. Hopefully he signs and can make the step up
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Don't know anything about him, what's his style of play like? Is he a proper centre forward or another wide forward?
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Don't know anything about him, what's his style of play like? Is he a proper centre forward or another wide forward?
An actual striker id say looking at his stats, 51 goals in 64 games in the Turkish Super Ligue. 4 goals in 6 on loan in the Belgian top division. I dont know much about him but some have said he seems out the game most the time but has that uncanny ability to be in the right place at the right time and finishes well.
Galatasary fans say he is their best striker and cant understand why he's been let go.
Edit - He's 6'4" so you would think he would suit what we need him for in general play too.
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Looking at his goals, there mostly in the box. So we need to get the ball in the box to him for him to be any good.
Need a CDM and a CB too!!
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An actual striker id say looking at his stats, 51 goals in 64 games in the Turkish Super Ligue. 4 goals in 6 on loan in the Belgian top division. I dont know much about him but some have said he seems out the game most the time but has that uncanny ability to be in the right place at the right time and finishes well.
Galatasary fans say he is their best striker and cant understand why he's been let go.
Galatasaray have financial problems, and made a deal with UEFA regarding FFP, which runs out this summer. So I daresay they are trying to shift wages to save themselves on that front
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Don't know anything about him, what's his style of play like? Is he a proper centre forward or another wide forward?
Wikipedia says he's a striker. Although his scoring record is excellent, I think the obligatory "goals and skills" video on Youtube is the least impressive that I've seen and contains a lot of poor misses. Perhaps the compiler didn't make a very good job of it!
There's still a question mark over whether he'll be willing to come of course.
Link: Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQi6wPq33eM)
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Galatasaray have financial problems, and made a deal with UEFA regarding FFP, which runs out this summer. So I daresay they are trying to shift wages to save themselves on that front
Yes i read that. Hopefully we can benefit
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Wikipedia says he's a striker. Although his scoring record is excellent, I think the obligatory "goals and skills" video on Youtube is the least impressive that I've seen and contains a lot of poor misses. Perhaps the compiler didn't make a very good job of it!
There's still a question mark over whether he'll be willing to come of course.
Link: Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQi6wPq33eM)
You've got to be worried when someone's highlight video includes a lot of poor misses. :o
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An actual striker id say looking at his stats, 51 goals in 64 games in the Turkish Super Ligue. 4 goals in 6 on loan in the Belgian top division. I dont know much about him but some have said he seems out the game most the time but has that uncanny ability to be in the right place at the right time and finishes well.
Galatasary fans say he is their best striker and cant understand why he's been let go.
Edit - He's 6'4" so you would think he would suit what we need him for in general play too.
Cheers for that, sounds like he might be able to benefit from our long throw strategy too.
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Wikipedia says he's a striker. Although his scoring record is excellent, I think the obligatory "goals and skills" video on Youtube is the least impressive that I've seen and contains a lot of poor misses. Perhaps the compiler didn't make a very good job of it!
There's still a question mark over whether he'll be willing to come of course.
Link: Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQi6wPq33eM)
I went on his social media yesterday and he was saying god is great, 1 life 1 chance etc so he wants to come. They are trying to get him in on a flgiht today.
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Don't know anything about him, what's his style of play like? Is he a proper centre forward or another wide forward?
The E&S spoke to a couple of journalists from Turkey last week and were asked:
What type of player is Diagne, how would you describe his style and character?
BG: Diagne is very dangerous in the box. He is a great finisher and can score goals with both his head and feet.
He isn’t what you’d call an all-round centre-forward.
His passing isn’t the best when it comes to linking play.
You need to get the ball into him inside the box. But when you do, he scores goals.
BCT: Diagne is a static forward who is efficient within the box.
He has a similar style to Mario Jardel – if you give the ball to him in the area he can score goals. But he is not fast.
Character wise, he can be the only one to say something is right that everyone else says is wrong or vice a versa.
Full article here for anyone interested/that missed it: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/01/21/the-inside-track-could-mbaye-diagne-be-the-man-to-fire-west-brom-to-survival/
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“Diagne has hit red-hot form for Galatasaray this season after returning from a good spell on loan at Club Brugge last term. He’s scored 11 goals so far, mostly poacher’s finishes from inside the box.
"He is a Sam Allardyce-type of centre-forward; 6ft4, powerful and knows where the goal is, but he has also shown an ability to drop deep and link up play cleverly.
"Galatasaray supporters have been raving about him and many appear at pains to lose him judging by their reaction to this news on social media. He has become popular there this season.
"Good strikers are hard to come by in this market but Albion may have just found one to help them stay up this season. And, if they do, they will have the option to buy him.â€
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Can he defend corners?
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He can also be a 'bit Balotelli'
Went on loan to Brugge for Champions League action and won a penalty about 10 minutes into his CL debut but took the penalty and the keeper saved it. Against his managers orders so got bombed out and frozen instanty. Thats why his record was 4 goals in 6 games. They never played him after that.
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It’s a start unless we get some defensive cover in midfield we could have Messi & Ronaldo up top and we’d still struggle conceding 4 or 5 every game.
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It’s a start unless we get some defensive cover in midfield we could have Messi & Ronaldo up top and we’d still struggle conceding 4 or 5 every game.
Yes, this is the next most important position for me closely followed by a CB who can defend.
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It's a loan it doesn't matter longer term, it might work. Better than what we have? Maybe What we need? Maybe not.
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You need to get the ball into him inside the box. But when you do, he scores goals.
Apart from Pereira, we have (had?) one player in the squad who's particularly good at this - Grosicki....
All in all, Diagne's strength doesn't seem to be holding the ball up so, if he comes, he might find that not many chances come his way, as Grant has found.
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He can also be a 'bit Balotelli'
Went on loan to Brugge for Champions League action and won a penalty about 10 minutes into his CL debut but took the penalty and the keeper saved it. Against his managers orders so got bombed out and frozen instanty. Thats why his record was 4 goals in 6 games. They never played him after that.
I thought that when I saw his playing record, very good strike rate but he doesn't hang around, that's for sure!
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I thought that when I saw his playing record, very good strike rate but he doesn't hang around, that's for sure!
Yes, in an interview he said he always wants to play/try new challenges so if he isnt playing reguarly or just gets the chance at something he will go for it.
Just went on his social media and he's working out in a gym at Galatasary based on the upload time still so no plane found yet ;D
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You've got to be worried when someone's highlight video includes a lot of poor misses. :o
That's the funniest highlights real I've ever seen!! Some terrible misses in there. Oh well, better that than the normal show reel of brilliance followed by the inevitable disapointment. Looks awkward to handle and a definite box player. Twenty nine so last chance to attract a decent contract from somewhere.
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You've got to be worried when someone's highlight video includes a lot of poor misses. :o
I haven't clicked the link but from your comments it's probably the lowlights I mentioned having seen back on the transfer rumour thread. I didn't link it myself as I didn't want to worry anyone. I'm just hoping it's a compilation from when this alleged late bloomer came into blossom and we have better to look forward to....
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Seems a good fit for Big Sam, but if we don't win on Saturday, it will be a pointless signing.
Can he even play on Sat? May be too little too late.
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Seems a good fit for Big Sam, but if we don't win on Saturday, it will be a pointless signing.
Can he even play on Sat? May be too little too late.
No reason why not if paperwork can be done today and medical (and COVID) tests passed. He's been playing this season so should be match fit.
It does feel a bit like the horse has already bolted but guess it's a fat old survival bonus on the table.
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Probably a silly question but as he was sent off in his last game does his suspension carry over to us?
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Probably a silly question but as he was sent off in his last game does his suspension carry over to us?
Very silly question Dan ;D
I don't know either.....
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Very silly question Dan ;D
I don't know either.....
Thank you for your sensible and reasoned reply ;D .
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Probably a silly question but as he was sent off in his last game does his suspension carry over to us?
I don't think it does, I think it's things like ban from all football issued in one country carries over to another (as is the case with Trippier).
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Thank you for your sensible and reasoned reply ;D .
Always happy to help
Joking apart, it is a relevant question. Only we can recruit a striker so late on who misses his first two games through suspension!
Anyone help Dan out here? :D
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I'm always wary of signing players from abroad in January especially If they have not played here before. We need players who can make an immediate impact. Who was the last player we signed from abroad in Jan to have any impact?
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I'm always wary of signing players from abroad in January especially If they have not played here before. We need players who can make an immediate impact. Who was the last player we signed from abroad in Jan to have any impact?
It's not going to matter mate. We could bring in Cristiano Ronaldo and we wouldnt stay up. We need at least another three quality additions to have even a 10% chance and that isn't going to happen.
Its all a bit meh to me who comes in from now until the end of the season.
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as I said earlier I don't think the suspension carries over but he would only miss 1 game anyway as he has missed 2 in Turkey already against Denizlispor (20/01) and Malatyaspor (24/01).
https://www.transfermarkt.com/mbaye-diagne/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/271966/plus/0?saison=2020&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
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According to local Turkish journo
@NicoSchira
Mbaye #Diagne agreed personal terms with #WBA. Deal completed by the italian agent Claudio Mossio. #transfers
His agent said its 1.5m to have him for the half season and another 4.5 to make it permanent at the end if we want.
Understand due to covid medicals will be done abroad and results sent over. So fee and terms agreed. Medical being done i assume (hes posting videos from the gym) pending results from medical just find flight and sign and it's done
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It's not going to matter mate. We could bring in Cristiano Ronaldo and we wouldnt stay up. We need at least another three quality additions to have even a 10% chance and that isn't going to happen.
Its all a bit meh to me who comes in from now until the end of the season.
I feel exactly the same. Can't wait for this season to finish. We can all then look forward to another half arsed attempt at a rebuild!
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I'm always wary of signing players from abroad in January especially If they have not played here before. We need players who can make an immediate impact. Who was the last player we signed from abroad in Jan to have any impact?
looking at transfermarkt’s records, we don’t tend to buy abroad in Jan at all. Last one was Thievy Bifouma, then you have to go back back to circa 2007/8 for Tamas, Fortune and Mulumbu.
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why bother, just start to prepare for next season
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as I said earlier I don't think the suspension carries over but he would only miss 1 game anyway as he has missed 2 in Turkey already against Denizlispor (20/01) and Malatyaspor (24/01).
https://www.transfermarkt.com/mbaye-diagne/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/271966/plus/0?saison=2020&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
Thank you.
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why bother, just start to prepare for next season
Last desperate attempts.
I'm with you though, completely given up on this season
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Looks a promising signing to me. Galatasaray fans are gutted he's leaving. Has to be better than playing a winger who generally can't finish up front.
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Looks a promising signing to me. Galatasaray fans are gutted he's leaving. Has to be better than playing a winger who generally can't finish up front.
He might well be in different circumstances.
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No reason why not if paperwork can be done today and medical (and COVID) tests passed. He's been playing this season so should be match fit.
It does feel a bit like the horse has already bolted but guess it's a fat old survival bonus on the table.
I think this is my point. With the distance the first team has to Big Sam and the rest of the coaching staff to, it clearly isn't helping him implement his new methods and that increases in difficulty with a new signing. Let's say he is in a day or two before the Fulham game - we're asking him to hit the ground running after only being here a few days.
I suppose though that is still a better option than playing any of the other 'strikers' we have.
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Odemwingie didn't just hit the ground running, he hit it at full sprint and tore it up.
It can happen. Against a team like Fulham just one goal can be a difference maker. Massive game, and a striker that can get the ball in the net will be a big step in winning that game.
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He's going to have to isolate for 2 weeks anyway isn't he?
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He's going to have to isolate for 2 weeks anyway isn't he?
Elite sportspeople are exempt from quarantine if they can provide a negative test result from the previous 72 hours.
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Looks a promising signing to me. Galatasaray fans are gutted he's leaving. Has to be better than playing a winger who generally can't finish up front.
Whilst applauding his signing we will still have our perennial problems however
1. Getting the ball to him in a position where he has a chance of scoring
2. Getting the ball back when we have lost it or aimlessly punted it upfield before addressing point 1
3. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum
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He seems to be in good form at the minute which is a plus, really hope this works out.
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My understanding is he will miss the Fulham game through suspension, is this correct ?
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Waste of money now. Wont save us. £1.5 million or whatever it is.
Well done Dowling, Pearce and whoever. Absolute waste of whatever we paid for him. Wont keep us up so why?
My beloved club is an absolute mess at the moment.
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My understanding is he will miss the Fulham game through suspension, is this correct ?
he's definitely missed 2 in Turkey so that would suggest that we would miss Fulham but that depends on whether suspensions in one league carry over to another league or from Association to Association. I can't find anything online for a definite answer.
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Waste of money now. Wont save us. £1.5 million or whatever it is.
Well done Dowling, Pearce and whoever. Absolute waste of whatever we paid for him. Wont keep us up so why?
My beloved club is an absolute mess at the moment.
We need a striker, weve signed one.
Who would you sign instead?
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Waste of money now. Wont save us. £1.5 million or whatever it is.
Well done Dowling, Pearce and whoever. Absolute waste of whatever we paid for him. Wont keep us up so why?
My beloved club is an absolute mess at the moment.
totally agree with you. lets put all our resources into next season now. get rid of sam giving him the money instead. at least we can start planning for next season in the championship with eddie howe :)
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totally agree with you. lets put all our resources into next season now. get rid of sam giving him the money instead. at least we can start planning for next season in the championship with eddie howe :)
maybe Mbaye is one for next season as well?
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he's definitely missed 2 in Turkey so that would suggest that we would miss Fulham but that depends on whether suspensions in one league carry over to another league or from Association to Association. I can't find anything online for a definite answer.
Yes a 3-match plan covers all governing bodies, which rules him out of the Fulham game as the 3rd match of that ban
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One journo has said €800,000 loan fee, another has said €1.5m.
Not sure he is what we need from the write ups. It sounds like he is a decent finisher who gets about the box and will score a couple of goals, but in an Allardyce side the strikers are very isolated and need an all round game- something that both journalists and galatasaray fans alike seem to feel is a weakness. Oh well, atleast It's only a loan.
As for the Galatasaray fans comments after the Masi tweets, the cynical part of me is finding it all a bit....odd. A lot of it seems weirdly co-ordinated with almost sarcastic comments and stock phrases. If you read the Turkish replies to those tweets and run them through the twitter translator, suspicions arise as there is a very "nudge nudge, wink wink" feel to what is being said while other reply to say "they are joking around, we think he is trash". The only genuine annoyance I can see seems to be from fans saying they have no strikers left and a loan fee is no good.
Regardless, a Defnesive Midfielder is key for me. That's the only way we can stem the average of 3 goals conceded every game.
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A bit bemused with the 'waste of money' comments, we wanted a striker and we have got one. Only time will tell if he is any good or not, but I am sure Sam will be modelling the play around him and his strengths. Hopefully Sam is sorting the DM position out as well as we speak....
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I'm looking forward to seeing if Diagne can help us score goals.
I still firmly believe that we can achieve 17th position at season end.
Why are so many people happy to see us relegated with such certainty?
As I've said before I'm not a Sam fan but let's give him a chance to succeed eh?
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One journo has said €800,000 loan fee, another has said €1.5m.
Not sure he is what we need from the write ups. It sounds like he is a decent finisher who gets about the box and will score a couple of goals, but in an Allardyce side the strikers are very isolated and need an all round game- something that both journalists and galatasaray fans alike seem to feel is a weakness. Oh well, atleast It's only a loan.
As for the Galatasaray fans comments after the Masi tweets, the cynical part of me is finding it all a bit....odd. A lot of it seems weirdly co-ordinated with almost sarcastic comments and stock phrases. If you read the Turkish replies to those tweets and run them through the twitter translator, suspicions arise as there is a very "nudge nudge, wink wink" feel to what is being said while other reply to say "they are joking around, we think he is trash". The only genuine annoyance I can see seems to be from fans saying they have no strikers left and a loan fee is no good.
Regardless, a Defnesive Midfielder is key for me. That's the only way we can stem the average of 3 goals conceded every game.
Think something is getting lost in translation regards sarcasm, often comes across that way in none native tongues.
The posts in Turkish decrying him seem to be Fenerbahce fans rubbing it in.
On the face of it this is a good signing for little outlay. It isn't a high bar to be a better option than Robinson.
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totally agree with you. lets put all our resources into next season now. get rid of sam giving him the money instead. at least we can start planning for next season in the championship with eddie howe :)
Too late! Dice thrown and landed on BS. That's it! Lai doesn't care about next year he wants survival. He wants the business to retain value so he can sell. He has given instructions for money to be released for loans and wages and Diange is the first in. In the Board's eyes they are maximising our chances rather than throwing money down the drain.
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Too late! Dice thrown and landed on BS. That's it! Lai doesn't care about next year he wants survival. He wants the business to retain value so he can sell. He has given instructions for money to be released for loans and wages and Diange is the first in. In the Board's eyes they are maximising our chances rather than throwing money down the drain.
This.
I appreciate why people are saying save the money, but the die has already been cast, so it's a pretty pointless take at this stage.
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Apparently he grabbed the ball to take a penalty against his managers instructions whilst at Club Brugge, and missed. Doesn't sound like an 'after you Claude' type, which may be what's needed in the penalty box. Otherwise no idea about him apart from what's out in the media.
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Apparently he grabbed the ball to take a penalty against his managers instructions whilst at Club Brugge, and missed. Doesn't sound like an 'after you Claude' type, which may be what's needed in the penalty box. Otherwise no idea about him apart from what's out in the media.
Yes that is true. Even though he scored 4 in 6 games they never played him after that. Someone with some fight about them. What we need a few more of.
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At 29 he is right at the top of the age range I would look at, However, at @1.5m with a @4m signing fee, he seems to represent excellent value.
Can we play to his strengths, maybe, if we can get Robinson or grant in and about him in an Allardyce big man / lil man style who knows?
We stand more chance of doing that if we can shore up midfield and give our defence some protection.
Is Gallagher fit / covid / going back?? If he is fit and staying pair him with a Scharner / Yacob type and we stand a chance of picking up a few points IMO.
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At least we are trying to sign a striker with a decent goal scoring record, which makes a change.
Too little too late mind.
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I don't get people saying to not try. Habe they not seen the gaps that have been closed over the years. Wolves in our first promotion? Big Dave after Pardew? The Great Escape?
It's great that we're signing what appears to be a good striker. Well chuffed!
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The next 7 games have us playing the bottom 5 with us - win most of those and we're right back in it.
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The next 7 games have us playing the bottom 5 with us - win most of those and we're right back in it.
Do you really believe that when we're halfway through the season?
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Do you really believe that when we're halfway through the season?
Well, if by some miracle we win all 5, then yeah. Not only have we collected points but we'd be taking them off those around us. In fact, I'd say there's a good chance if we won all 5 that we'd be out of the bottom 3. Then it's all to play for.
Odds of us winning all 5 are 0.000001% though.
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I am excited for this signing
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I've got a feeling he's going to be nowhere near good enough all-round, but that's just a gut feeling based on the very little I've read and watched. Superb goals to game record though and I've been banging on for years about us ignoring the European market so I'm happy we're giving him a try.
I wonder if he'd be up for a season in the Championship though? Realistically, even if he comes in and looks decent there's very little chance of staying up so I'm hoping we've got the option to buy regardless of the division.
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Has to be better than any of the central striker options currently at the club !
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Yes, this is the next most important position for me closely followed by a CB who can defend.
a defensive midfielder is needed but rather than a centre half I'd say 2 full backs who can defend
Furlong is ok going forward and reasonably quick he just switches off
Gibbs is a typical arsenal defender not good at defending , weak aerialy and made of biscuits.
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a defensive midfielder is needed but rather than a centre half I'd say 2 full backs who can defend
Furlong is ok going forward and reasonably quick he just switches off
Gibbs is a typical arsenal defender not good at defending , weak aerialy and made of biscuits.
Or a typical arsenal defender ....comfortable on the ball, pace,and premier league experience?
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Or a typical arsenal defender ....comfortable on the ball, pace,and premier league experience?
to be honest he is a typical Arsenal defender, is comfortable on the ball, has pace, premier league experience but he can't defend, is weak in the air and is prone to injury.
Anyway back to Diagne...there is no mention in any press I've seen of him being banned for the Fulham game if we sign him, so hopefully he'll be able to play.
Just read (on Sportsmole...I know) that the deal is supposed to be finalised tomorrow night which would mean that Diagne is free from suspension when he signs for us (Gala play tomorrow)...although he won't be available for the Fulham game.
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Lyall Thomas
@SkySportsLyall
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@SkySportsLyall
Mbaye Diagne having a medical in Turkey today ahead of his loan to #WestBrom from #Galatasaray #WBA https://skysports.com/transfer-centre
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If he is all the comes in, I will understand the waste of money comments because I don’t think he will help a great deal.
If we can do something with midfield and defence too, collectively it then makes more sense.
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Lyall Thomas
@SkySportsLyall
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@SkySportsLyall
Mbaye Diagne has completed his medical and is waiting to receive a work permit. Once issued he will fly to UK to complete loan to #WBA from #Galatasaray https://skysports.com/transfer-centre
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There are now details flying around that there is a ‘must play’ in the loan contract.
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There are now details flying around that there is a ‘must play’ in the loan contract.
I'd be surprised if we agreed that for any player as it undermines the authority of the manager.
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There are now details flying around that there is a ‘must play’ in the loan contract.
I wouldn’t say a ‘must play’ but due to our dire striker situation I’m pretty sure he’s had assurances that he will play a lot of football here.
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Wonder if he speaks English. French is the language of Senegal so he may be short of people to speak to aside from Kipre who may be on his way out. Unless Pereira can manage a bit of French.
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I wouldn’t say a ‘must play’ but due to our dire striker situation I’m pretty sure he’s had assurances that he will play a lot of football here.
I think I read the agent said a play guarantee had been confirmed.
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Comes from a comment made by a none English speaking agent. No one gets must play written into their contract. Something obviously lost in translation.
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Here we go again. Everyone appears to know everything about Diange but how often have they seen him play?
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Here we go again. Everyone appears to know everything about Diange but how often have they seen him play?
I've seen enough of him during a 2 minute youtube video I watched earlier. He could be the next Marcus Haber in my eyes
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Can’t see how he can be less effective than Karlan Grant . How much have we committed to over 6 years with KG ? Great signing by Slav .........
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I've seen enough of him during a 2 minute youtube video I watched earlier. He could be the next Marcus Haber in my eyes
His record suggests different. Shall we just give him a chance?
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I've seen enough of him during a 2 minute youtube video I watched earlier. He could be the next Marcus Haber in my eyes
If it's the same highlights package that I've seen I'd be inclined to agree. However the highlights I've seen bear no semblance to his career stats. I'll be interested to see how he fares at a higher league standard with I dare say fewer opportunities. Good physique, in form and we've no idea who edited the highlights package. Let's see what he's got.
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There are two "highlights" reels on youtube one of which seems to have been put together with a certain amount of malice.
However there is a lot of information available that would suggest he is a decent finisher but does not contribute a great deal outside the box. Overlay the fact he has been playing for Galatasaray who are one of the better teams in a league one or two levels below the Premier League and factor in he making the step up quite late in his career and you cannot be optimistic about the impact he going to make.
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Was only joking, cant watch a short video and decide on a players worth, his record for Gala looks decent in a good league too. Let's just see, just by the size of him he offers something different to Grant and Callum
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There are two "highlights" reels on youtube one of which seems to have been put together with a certain amount of malice.
However there is a lot of information available that would suggest he is a decent finisher but does not contribute a great deal outside the box. Overlay the fact he has been playing for Galatasaray who are one of the better teams in a league one or two levels below the Premier League and factor in he making the step up quite late in his career and you cannot be optimistic about the impact he going to make.
You can be optimistic if you want to be.
We've had too many failed youtube superstars to pay any mind to that and we've also had players from top leagues with excellent reputations that have bombed.
We need something different to what we have and he could be just that therefore I, for one, am certainly optimistic :D
That could change come 17:00 tomorrow, of course ;)
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Joseph Masi Tweeted
Sam Allardyce currently doing his pre-Fulham presser. Say Mbaye Diagne is due to arrive today... #wba
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Was only joking, cant watch a short video and decide on a players worth, his record for Gala looks decent in a good league too. Let's just see, just by the size of him he offers something different to Grant and Callum
I think we have done that before!
From memory we did it with Bifouma - that went well ;D
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Leeds were after Mbaye Diagne about three or four years ago but it was reported at the time that they were having problems getting a work permit. I'd imagine he qualifies for one now. What would be the point pursuing him otherwise?
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As its gone midday today, he won't be available tomorrow will he?
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I think I read the agent said a play guarantee had been confirmed.
I Believe the deal is if he plays the deal is for (Just picking numers out of the air) £20k per week but if he doesn't play the wages go up to say £40k. So in reality we dont have to play him but it will cost us more if we dont. Pretty standard these days and I think this has been lost in translation.
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Leeds were after Mbaye Diagne about three or four years ago but it was reported at the time that they were having problems getting a work permit. I'd imagine he qualifies for one now. What would be the point pursuing him otherwise?
sounds right, Senegal are currently a top 20 national team and Turkey is seen as a better league than China where he was 3/4 years ago. Especially as he’s coming from a top team in that league.
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His late arrival means little impact on Fulham game. I hope we have enough to get a result without any additions.
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His late arrival means little impact on Fulham game. I hope we have enough to get a result without any additions.
We needed players in sooner. We can pretty much write off the Sheff Utd game for any new signings too. These 2 games could define our season.
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Due to land soon
"Mbaye Diagne is already on his flight to reach England. He must undergo his medical examination and then sign his contract with West Bromwich Albion, loan with option to purchase
Soon with rightwards arrow above
Hundred points symbol
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#Wba#galatasaray#Transfers#Senegal"
POsted with a picture of him boarding plane
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Due to land soon
"Mbaye Diagne is already on his flight to reach England. He must undergo his medical examination and then sign his contract with West Bromwich Albion, loan with option to purchase
Soon with rightwards arrow above
Hundred points symbol
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#Wba#galatasaray#Transfers#Senegal"
POsted with a picture of him boarding plane
Thought his medical had been done in Turkey?
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Thought his medical had been done in Turkey?
So did i, thats what the reports said anyway!
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Not sure how long a flight from Turkey is but a few hours ago he put up a picture of him with a quilt over him ;D
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Signed!
DEAL DONE: West Brom have signed Senegal international striker Mbaye Diagne on loan from Galatasaray. (Source: @WBA)
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Yep in Officia Twitter. Welcome to the club Mbaye!
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Good luck Diange.
Personally I’m struggling to offer any real opinion on him specifically since I know so little about him. On his own I do a suspect it changers very little though and regardless he may be too late by next week.
Hopefully he is joined by others and collectively they can hit the ground. I’d be happy just to see us compete and go down with some fight at this point I think.
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Lyall Thomas
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Announced by #WestBrom and I'm told Diagne's registration was submitted in time for him to potentially make an immediate debut against #FulhamFC tomorrow #WBA #FFC
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Interesting that he's registered, no time to train though - you wouldn't expect him to be involved but maybe he'll be on the bench.
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Interesting that he's registered, no time to train though - you wouldn't expect him to be involved but maybe he'll be on the bench.
Yeah won't hurt to have him in bench at all.
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Lyall Thomas
@SkySportsLyall
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@SkySportsLyall
Announced by #WestBrom and I'm told Diagne's registration was submitted in time for him to potentially make an immediate debut against #FulhamFC tomorrow #WBA #FFC
Am 99% certain he’s still suspended. He got an automatic 3-match ban and has only served 2. If he’s registered in time to play tonight then tonight’s Gala game doesn’t count as his 3rd game.
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So am I but the Galatasary game has finished so wonder if it kicked off when he was still their player and whether this makes any difference ?
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Strange that no pictures of him on the official site in kit! Perhaps the Club have another signing to announce tonight and will do both players together?
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So am I but the Galatasary game has finished so wonder if it kicked off when he was still their player and whether this makes any difference ?
It might do - unless Dowling isn’t actually aware that he got sent off !
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Strange that no pictures of him on the official site in kit! Perhaps the Club have another signing to announce tonight and will do both players together?
He’s not yet in the country.
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Looks good on paper and hope he quickly finds his feet.
Looks like a great lover of silly haircuts though, like Thievy Bifouma.
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He looks a unit.
He should bring some presence to the forward line.
Welcome to the club Mbaye
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Booooo. Disgrace to our glorious club shirt. He's rubbish. Sack him off now. Just thought I'd like to be the first to stick the boot into him before he's had a chance to prove himself ;D .
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Edit - SSN say hes eligible for tommorow.
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Confirmed hes eligible for tommorow.
One word.......Odemwingie
Come on lad get straight in. I love a new signing.
Doesn’t Grady have Diang on his shirt though, could get confusing when the goals start flowing
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One word.......Odemwingie
Come on lad get straight in. I love a new signing.
Doesn’t Grady have Diang on his shirt though, could get confusing when the goals start flowing
;D
I hope the goals start flowing mate and in our favour too. COME ON YOU BAGGIES!!
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Come and do an Odemwingie Diange, winning goal on your debut after signing hours beforehand...please.
He hasn't played in the top leagues but his goal record is excellent.
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One word.......Odemwingie
Come on lad get straight in. I love a new signing.
Doesn’t Grady have Diang on his shirt though, could get confusing when the goals start flowing
He normally has Mbaye on his shirt
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Number 9 is free at the moment. Imagine that'll be his?
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Official club Twitter just put a video up from him saying happy to be here and see you tommroow for the match so sounds like hes eligible.
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A chance to see him off the bench tomorrow then maybe.
I’m not going to particularly get too excited by Diagne’s goal scoring record as Cenk Tosun, Veda Muriqi and Alexander Sorloth have scored bagfuls in Turkey in recent years only to struggle to get any after going to one of the top leagues, while strikers like 35 year olds Hugo Rodallega and Papua’s Cisse have been featuring in the top of the goal scoring charts for the last few years there, but at least Allardyce can now have W final shot at turning things around with a few new faces.
It’s also means we have an actual specialist centre forward at the club which we have been lacking so far this season.
Good luck Mbaye.
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Let's hope he can adapt well to the colder UK climes and that we can provide him with the service that he needs inside the box. It doesn't sound like he's a player who's good at holding the ball up, so there's no point in pumping long balls at him, even if he is 6'4". On the other hand, as Baggies has said, at least he's an actual striker, rather than someone else having to play there because there isn't anyone else.
Having only flown into the country today, I'll be very surprised if he's involved tomorrow although, with 9 subs available, he may well be on the bench and might get brought on if we need to find a goal from somewhere later on.
It'll be very interesting to see how he gets on with us.
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Welcome Mbaye.
Desperate for a striker since day one.:-\
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One word.......Odemwingie
Come on lad get straight in. I love a new signing.
Doesn’t Grady have Diang on his shirt though, could get confusing when the goals start flowing
Another word - Bifouma
I really hope you are right!
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The guy refers to himself as King Kong and even puts a gorilla emoji. This won’t go down well in the UK with the easily offended.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpG2LJrz-t/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpG2LJrz-t/)
Not the best timing after the Sawyers statement yesterday.
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The guy refers to himself as King Kong and even puts a gorilla emoji. This won’t go down well in the UK with the easily offended.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpG2LJrz-t/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpG2LJrz-t/)
Not the best timing after the Sawyers statement yesterday.
Really don't think that's a problem! He's calling himself King Kong - a fictional giant character.
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Lad can call himself what he wants. Non issue for me.
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I’m absolutely fine with it by the way, as most of us will be. But there are definitely an element of our society who like to be offended on behalf of others who might take a different stance on it.
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Didn’t win many headers but was a presence up top. Great cross for pereiras goal, looks exactly what we needed.
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Didn’t win many headers but was a presence up top. Great cross for pereiras goal, looks exactly what we needed.
Early days but definitely looks to have a presence and seemed calm in possession.
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Gutted nothing fell for him. That Grant chance at the end. :(
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Gutted nothing fell for him. That Grant chance at the end. :(
I need to watch this again, at first I felt it was too high for him. Saying that with Diagnes height he could have nodded it in!
Great debut assist within about 15 mins well done
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From what I’ve seen I’m happy with.
Looks like he will just work the 18 yard box and gives us a real threat up top. Good assist for pereira too.
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Looks a presence, someone to actually concern the opposition centre backs. Something we haven’t had since Rondon. First half their defence were having a stroll in the park, his introduction changed the game.
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I've seen on the after match hes already been called useless. I give up
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Unsettled Fulham instantly due to his size and presence. Clearly not going to bang in 20 in the PL but an improvement over all the other strikers in what we need him for.
A pleasing debut.
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Given all the circumstances, new country, travelling to the UK, New team mates, new system, no meaningful trading sessions, but to mention a few, I think he looked promising and is better than we currently have.
Welcome to the good ship Albion Mbaye, I hope you have a long and successful stay with us
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Far too early to judge him either way, but in the circumstances he did well today.
Don’t see how there is much more to say about him at this stage personally!
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45 minutes of football one assist and able to hold up ball, haven't had that since Rondon was here. Happy with what he's contributed today.
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45 minutes of football one assist and able to hold up ball, haven't had that since Rondon was here. Happy with what he's contributed today.
I totally agree. He starts every game for me going forwards.
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It possibly helps Diagne that Robinson is so ineffective but today was a most promising debut no doubt.
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Great start Mbaye . Looks like having all the attributes you want for a central striker . Just need those around him , apart from Matheus , to link up and we should have a big improvement in the goals for column !
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It possibly helps Diagne that Robinson is so ineffective but today was a most promising debut no doubt.
The same Robinson who won two penalties at the custard bowel a couple of weeks back and got no service whatsoever today. The same Robinson who scored twice against Chelsea and destroyed the bar at Old Trafford form 30 yards out. He's definitely been one of our brighter players this season, I don't understand why your so down on him.
I'd like to Robinson and Grant alongside Diagne, supporting him with Pereira pulling the stings behind them. We need to attack as a team. If Diagne can get us further up the pitch then the others can be a lot more effective.
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The same Robinson who won two penalties at the custard bowel a couple of weeks back and got no service whatsoever today. The same Robinson who scored twice against Chelsea and destroyed the bar at Old Trafford form 30 yards out. He's definitely been one of our brighter players this season, I don't understand why your so down on him.
I'd like to Robinson and Grant alongside Diagne, supporting him with Pereira pulling the stings behind them. We need to attack as a team. If Diagne can get us further up the pitch then the others can be a lot more effective.
I see that you were struggling after your first 2 examples... give over he's not nor ever has been a striker even at the level below. If he can force his way in on the left then fair enough.
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I see that you were struggling after your first 2 examples... give over he's not nor ever has been a striker even at the level below. If he can force his way in on the left then fair enough.
I think Robinson has had a decent season, living off scraps. I'm surprised your so reluctant to give him any credit. I'm hoping that Diagne can help our attack in general.
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I was impressed with Diagne. I like his awareness of what was around him. He's big and strong enough to ruffle defenders up. He up top and Pereira in behind looks right immediately.
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Looked like he will occupy center halves which our other strikers don't, a decent debut (I did think that of Ivanovic though)
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Looked like he will occupy center halves which our other strikers don't, a decent debut (I did think that of Ivanovic though)
Fair summary. Difficult to take too much out of 45 minutes. I remember Matt Carbon being declared as the next left sided Tony Adams after a month, turned out he was no better than Tyrone Mings.
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I think the first attribute a centre forward needs and should have is presence and he certainly has that, just hope my excitement is not misplaced. Definitely looks the part and we have-not had that presence for such a long time.
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I remember Matt Carbon being declared as the next left sided Tony Adams after a month,
Not by me he wasnt. First game I saw him he was at fault by not picking up his man in the box. He could never mark a cross in a coupon. Every game he tried 60 yard diagonals, I don't remember one hitting its target. He was awful.
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Reports that we will buy him for £6 million if we stay up and £4 million if we are relagated.
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Good assist and spread the play well a few times. The best of what we have. Could do with him getting a goal early
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Reports that we will buy him for £6 million if we stay up and £4 million if we are relagated.
That should save a couple of million then!
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Looks a decent player. Got a good touch, good vision, made some decent passes too. Will give opposition defences something to think about.
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That should save a couple of million then!
Regardless of whatever League we’re in next season, any club spending cash, ourselves included, would be foolish. The gravy train is losing traction. If the mighty Barcelona are on the brink of bankruptcy,(an enormous amount of politics involved), the fact that so few big money deals, this transfer window, proves that clubs are being cautious. Hopefully we’ll get back to sensibility soon.
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Regardless of whatever League we’re in next season, any club spending cash, ourselves included, would be foolish. The gravy train is losing traction. If the mighty Barcelona are on the brink of bankruptcy,(an enormous amount of politics involved), the fact that so few big money deals, this transfer window, proves that clubs are being cautious. Hopefully we’ll get back to sensibility soon.
back to sensibility, that would require going back to circa 1980 at the latest !
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Only 45 mins I know but his presence caused them problems, even if he didn’t get his head on things the defenders rather than comfortably bringing the ball down sthey we’re having to head things under pressure and it was either going out of play for an Albion throw or going to an Albion player on the half way line it’s all about getting up the pitch & swinging the balance of play.
Looks like he has a very good touch hopefully with more practice him & Pereira get on the same page & create a good partnership as Pereira has the ability to get him the ball in dangerous places, given his record he’l take opportunities when given the chance.
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I've seen on the after match hes already been called useless. I give up
One post was negative which copped some flack in response. Most posters pleased with what we've seen so far.
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Regardless of whatever League we’re in next season, any club spending cash, ourselves included, would be foolish. The gravy train is losing traction. If the mighty Barcelona are on the brink of bankruptcy,(an enormous amount of politics involved), the fact that so few big money deals, this transfer window, proves that clubs are being cautious. Hopefully we’ll get back to sensibility soon.
Don't worry we'll soon get back to the big boys lashing billions whilst smaller clubs go to the wall.
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Can his surname be corrected in the main title of this thread please or many people will spell it wrong for the entire time he's here - it's Diagne
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Can his surname be corrected in the main title of this thread please or many people will spell it wrong for the entire time he's here - it's Diagne
Same as they do with our best player, Pereira. So many on here can’t be bothered to even spill that correctly!
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Same as they do with our best player, Pereira. So many on here can’t be bothered to even spill that correctly!
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Same as Ivanovic, which gets spelt as if its an english name Ivanovitch.
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I’m optimistic that he can form a good partnership with Pereira. He seems very aware of his surroundings on the ball and I feel like he could start picking out Pereira on runs as he slips behind.
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I’m optimistic that he can form a good partnership with Pereira. He seems very aware of his surroundings on the ball and I feel like he could start picking out Pereira on runs as he slips behind.
I felt that as well. Playing that role is as much about anticipation and making runs and passes at the right time. Some players have it as an instinct. Others never learn.
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45 minutes in and he has already been described as ‘*ank and lazy’ on a baggies Facebook group. Insane!
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Gawed you could see the difference he made as soon as he came on with at least 2 defenders marking him!! Great start for me.
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Mbaye Diagne will only cost £6m to sign permanently if they stay in the Premier League, and £4m if they are relegated to the Championship.(Source: Football Insider)
Might worth being relegated for that price :D
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Costa blanca baggie
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Quote from: TheBaggieMan on Yesterday at 04:55:43 PM
Also, other than being a battering ram, this new guy Diagne is not a footballer and cannot head a ball.
You’re obviously an attention seeker. I’ve used another modern descriptive term in the past, but the post never appeared. I’m sure you’re bathing in the responses. My opinion of his first 45 minutes? Admirable considering the circumstances. I reckon Sam was happy.
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My apologies Costa.... I didn’t realise I was not allowed to have an opinion.
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Can we cut out the personal digs about others opinions and spelling.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't agree with it then say why without resorting to personal digs.
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It was not a bad start at all for Mbaye Diagne at West Bromwich Albion.
Just 45 minutes on the field, only seven touches, but an assist, two chances created and a key role in a second-half transformation in the 2-2 home draw against Fulham.
It is early days in Diagne’s loan at The Hawthorns, but in an eye-catching debut, the Senegal international striker offered hope that he may just repay the faith Albion have shown in a player who is no stranger to controversy.
Sam Allardyce will no doubt be aware of Diagne’s chequered past, such is the access to information on the modern grapevine of football recruitment.
The 29-year-old has represented 13 clubs in eight different countries since leaving Senegal as a child, often making his mark on the field and memorably off it.
He is loved in Senegal, disliked in Bruges and remembered everywhere he has been.
It is clear Diagne is a player who arrives with an element of risk. But with just 18 games to play for Albion when he arrived late on Friday, he seems a potential game-changer worth the punt.
“Diagne is a young Senegalese who left for Italy very early on,†says Mahmoud Gueye, a Senegalese journalist with Taggat SN.
“He had gone to join a member of his family. He had trials in Italy then joined Division Four teams. After strong performances he caught the eye of the recruiters of Juventus in Turin and was signed for the reserve team.â€
Having made his mark at Brandizzo and Bra in the lower reaches, it was on Antonio Conte’s watch at Juventus that he joined the ‘Old Lady’.
He never made the first team but gained experience on loan in France with Ajaccio, Belgium with Lierse and Westerlo, Saudi Arabia with Al Shabab and Hungary with Ujpest.
In 2016 he finally left Juventus to join Tianjin TEDA in the Chinese Super League.
Two years later he was back in Europe with Kasimpasa and a year later he moved again, this time just a few miles across Istanbul to Galatasaray.
Diagne’s career has been an itinerant one but his goals record has been impressive at every stop along the way.
“There are some lads who travel really well,†said Allardyce, having watched Diagne tee up Albion’s second goal on Saturday for Matheus Pereira. “I’ve seen that many times over many years now. They want to play football and they will go where they need to play.
“He has come to us to play in the Premier League because he wants to impress everybody with how good he is. Even though he’s with a great club in Galatasaray he really wants to show everybody in the Premier League what he can do.
“If he keeps us up, hopefully he can stay here.â€
A clue to the reasons for Diagne’s regular moves might come, perhaps, from his turbulent spell back in Belgium with Brugge. His loan move from Galatasaray in September 2019 started with controversy and went from bad to worse.
Diagne flew into Belgium with Anderlecht so convinced they had a deal in place to sign him they sent a car to the airport to collect him. Yet Diagne had decided en route to accept a rival offer from Brugge and hopped into their airport transit instead.
There was surprise at his official unveiling when Diagne reportedly asked for the printing on the back of his shirt, which originally read ‘M. Diagne’ to be changed to ‘M. Jr Diagne’, prompting a 40-minute drive for a member of staff from the training complex to the stadium shop for a replacement.
There was an alleged refusal to complete post-match drills with fellow substitutes following a game at Mouscron that angered manager Philippe Clement and then, most famously, an incident in a Champions League tie against Paris Saint-Germain that effectively spelled the end of his spell in Brugge.
With his team 1-0 down and awarded a penalty with 15 minutes remaining, Diagne claimed the ball and took the spot-kick ahead of appointed taker Hans Vanaken.
Almost inevitably, he missed from the spot, sparking angry scenes in the dressing room.
Then came an unapproved trip back to Istanbul when Brugge played Galatasaray, his parent club. Brugge had wanted Diagne to stay in Belgium for the game, which he was unable to take part in.
There were other incidents, too, leading to Diagne’s exile from the first-team squad and eventual return to Galatasaray, but not before the Turkish club had threatened to go to FIFA to have Brugge sanctioned for lowering the value of their player by refusing to use him.
Back in Turkey, though, came a flurry of goals.
Diagne had scored enough in the second half of the 2018-19 season to help Galatasaray to the Turkish title, but this season he has truly hit his stride.
Nine goals in 15 games for Galatasaray meant clubs across Europe were again taking notice. There were rough edges and missing ingredients to Diagne but his goalscoring ability could not be doubted.
The dynamics of his game are shown clearly by his profile on Smarterscout — a system that uses advanced metric data to produce an overall score between 0-99 for individual strengths.
Diagne is a finisher and keen to shoot at goal, as shown by his shot volume of 91 out of 99. His strong “xG from shot creation†(80 out of 99) means that his actions contribute highly to his team getting chances.
His assist for Pereira on his Albion debut was something of a surprise given he only registered one league assist after joining Galatasaray in 2018.
His lack of involvement in build-up play is further shown by his low volume of progressive passing (13 out of 99) and xG from ball progression (38 out of 99).
For Albion, the pool of potential loan signings was small. So while they are undoubtedly aware of what Diagne does not do (and the problems he has encountered in the past) they focused instead on what he could do.
On Saturday they got their first small reward, having welcomed him into the team hotel as late as 11pm on Friday.
“He’s a brave man,†says Allardyce. “Not only with the cold and the snow but also with the position that we’re in. He obviously fancies the Premier League.
“We saw the kind of player we didn’t have here. We saw the goals he’s scored as well as his play outside the box and he can mess centre-halves around.
“We saw that in the short time he was involved and he hasn’t even caught up with the pace of the Premier League yet.
“We hope he can do that quickly and we can get him involved more and more. If we play the right way to him he could be a big asset.
“The only instructions we had time to give him were on corners and free-kicks, defending and attacking-wise. The rest of it was ‘just go out and play the way you play for Galatasaray’, and we told the lads to play up to him and off him as much as they could.â€
Back in Senegal, with whom he has won ten caps, interest in his move to Albion will be strong.
“He is well appreciated in Senegal and he is very generous, he helps the needy a lot,†says Gueye. “At the start of COVID-19, he gave a lot to families in Senegal and did live instagrams with his fans to keep them company during this difficult period. He recently repaired the primary school in his neighbourhood.â€
The school rebuild in Hlm, a region of Dakar, cost Diagne an estimated £22,000.
He also arranged for a truck to deliver supplies of rice, oil, sugar and facemasks to the public in his homeland to help in the midst of the pandemic.
So the man who has made his share of enemies in his incident-packed career has an army of friends, too.
Keeping Albion in the Premier League against the odds would be a notable addition to his packed CV.
(Main image: Diagne on his debut against Fulham; inset the school he helped rebuild in Hlm, Dakar. Photos: Getty Images and Mahmoud Gueye/Taggat SN)
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Just read on BBC sports transfer write up that of all our recent signings only Snodgrass can play against Sheff Utd, any reason that Diagne can't play? or is it just lazy journalism
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Just read on BBC sports transfer write up that of all our recent signings only Snodgrass can play against Sheff Utd, any reason that Diagne can't play? or is it just lazy journalism
We have probably got a gentleman's agreement with the Blades :D :D
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Nice to have someone to target. Did well playing quick balls and was unlucky that his chance got under his feet.
The minute he was swapped with Kanu we had nothing up there it was very apparent...
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Nice to have someone to target. Did well playing quick balls and was unlucky that his chance got under his feet.
The minute he was swapped with Kanu we had nothing up there it was very apparent...
You are being very kind there Evo
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Not a great game but hes only been signed a few days with no real training sessions. Saying that we looked less of a threat when he went off.
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I thought he looked quite poor in the air for a big man.
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Not a great game but hes only been signed a few days with no real training sessions. Saying that we looked less of a threat when he went off.
Agreed. He has a presence and looks agile. In comparison to HRK anyway, who turns the same speed as an oil tanker.
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On Saturday I posted that Diagne was not a footballer and couldn’t head a ball.
My opinion has not changed. He’s not our saviour, just our battering ram.
By the way, was Diagne playing tonight?
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If King Kong is the answer then what is then question?
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If King Kong is the answer then what is then question?
"Who does Godzilla beat in the 2021 creature feature blockbuster?"
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To be fair the reports on Diagne were that he is a goalscorer and a nuisance.
They did say he doesnt hold the ball particularly well or get past people, i think that was evident tonight, i think Sheffield United were happy to leave him on his own a few times to flick the ball or or lay it off in his own half, when it got around the box they won it fairly comfortable off him, that said he has only been in the country a few days!
However, the few times the ball did go in the box, he was in there, he had the shot saved for the goal and the one Robinson had saved second half he was right by him, and there was another where he was in the right area, he looks as though he gets into good positions so its upto us to create chances for him, his record shows he gets goals.
Due to his size he will be a nuisance to defenders but we have to give him something to work with, play it into him and give him half a chance instead of just whacking it for him to chase.
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By the way, was Diangne playing tonight?
Really you didn't think he did anything tonight?
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Too early to judge him on the back of one and a half games.
Tonight, he was as Turkish fans described him, anonymous for most of it but did pop up in good goal scoring positions on 2 occasions.
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Thought he was a focal point for us and kept their centre halves occupied once he left pitch we became ineffective bloke has to play 90 mins as replacements are toilet.
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Thought he was a focal point for us and kept their centre halves occupied once he left pitch we became ineffective bloke has to play 90 mins as replacements are toilet.
We would benefit from him being in a 2, as you say he occupies the C-H's should create space and opportunities for a partner (Grant ?)
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At least he knows where the goal is. Shame about his positioning on the offsides.
I'd love to see a player, play off him but can't see that happening under Sam
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May have given us a fighting chance if we had someone like him from start of season.
If the rumoured 4mil is true then we should be trying to do a deal for him for next season.
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Looks a good player to me. Would love to get him in permanently.
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I'd sign him for 4m if he would come. Problem is hes on 55k per week.
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Very good showing in both games, better than I was expecting.
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Agreed , looks like the best striker that we’ve bought in for several seasons .
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Looks good. More games with Pereira behind him and he will score goals.
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Looks useful. Would have loved to see him in the same team as Krovi, a fit diangana, and MP. Still better late than never I suppose
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Looks good. More games with Pereira behind him and he will score goals.
Agree on Diagne, Playing Pereira seems to be the flaw in the plan :)
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He plays some smart passes too. Pereira simply must play behind him and create for him.
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Feel sorry for him to be honest. Has had no real support or players creating things for him.
He appears to have little pace, cannot head a ball it appears when outside the box but has a nice touch to bring other players in and appears to know where the goal is when inside the box. Unfortunately we have very few players who we can marry him up to, Perreira yes , Snodgrass yes , but that’s about it really.
Feels like a wasted player to me and he’s a lot better than that
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He needs to watch being offside (obviously) but he dispatched both efforts with a goalscorer's instinct. He seems to anticipate chances well, which is something we have badly lacked since Gayle.
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The second offside goal was some goal. The skill to bring it down on his chest was class. If he’s up for the championship I’d back him to score 20+
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The second offside goal was some goal. The skill to bring it down on his chest was class. If he’s up for the championship I’d back him to score 20+
Completely agree. Sharpen this guy up a little and we'd have an absolute gem in the Champs.
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The second offside goal was some goal. The skill to bring it down on his chest was class. If he’s up for the championship I’d back him to score 20+
I thought that aswell it was a lovely bit of skill. I thought his general play and fitness seemed better. His ability to keep the ball in certain positions makes it all the more baffling Perriera wasnt played to work with him.
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Good player. Proper centre forward. If that’s true about wages though he will be here for 3 short months only.
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Good player. Proper centre forward. If that’s true about wages though he will be here for 3 short months only.
Not sure why it’s surprising so many people. Those goal stats he has don’t lie. Regardless of league.
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Very early days..but cant help wondering whether we have another Brown Ideye on our hands ?
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Based on what?
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Very early days..but cant help wondering whether we have another Brown Ideye on our hands ?
Nothing about his performances or all round play suggests that.
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By the looks of it he looks like a good player, is he the player that is going to get us out this mess? Not so sure. We should of gone for a player with more prem experience.
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By the looks of it he looks like a good player, is he the player that is going to get us out this mess? Not so sure. We should of gone for a player with more prem experience.
Don't be too hard on Diagne.
The player you are talking about doesn't exist
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Nothing about his performances or all round play suggests that.
This. Also behind Ideye were Morrison, Brunt, Mulumbu, Yacob, Darren Fletcher etc...
3 games for Diagne, didn’t it take an eternity for Ideye to score or even look like he settled in. Thought Diagne looked decent against Spurs.
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Don't be too hard on Diagne.
The player you are talking about doesn't exist
Sooty? Paul Daniels is dead. Can't think of anyone else who can do magic. Penn and Teller, but we couldn't afford them.
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I love this guy, an absolute nightmare for defenders
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I love this guy, an absolute nightmare for defenders
He’s going to cause problems at times, but he’s got a bit of the tchoyi’s about him. Could easily have seen his goal having overturned and his grappling with defenders will go against him I think.
He’s the best we have though.
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He’s going to cause problems, but he’s got a bit of the tchoyi’s about him.
Good comparison!
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I think he's more similar to Rondon, personally.
A physical presence who is good in the air and gets in great positions. However, his finishing isn't the best. I'd love to have him here next season though, regardless of what league we're in. Surely if we got rid of Gibbs and HRK we could afford him?
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Well done lad, just secured his move to a Premier League side after our inevitable relegation.
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Great shift, shame he couldn't keep that effort down, should have gone with his left.
Hes causing problems, getting on the end of chances, its something we have been missing all season...
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Well done lad, just secured his move to a Premier League side after our inevitable relegation.
We have an option on him either way don’t we?
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A proper centre forward, it’s been a while. Don’t think he will stay for the championship personally but let’s enjoy him while he’s here.
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Tchoyi? Ideye?
Deary me.
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We have an option on him either way don’t we?
4m if we go down but he's on 55k per week so very unlikely
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Think he's had about 5 opportunities and put it away 3 times. Only one to count. The other 2 marginally but probably offside, but still a decent ratio, and is a handful for the central defenders. Good player - best we have had in that position for a very long time Keep if at all possible
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He’s not a player whose going to work the channels so our persistent clearing lines down to channels is merely a waste of possession. It is clear that we need to play through him as he’s technically ok, he can hold the ball and he will link play and get us further up the pitch.
He also has a presence in the box - granted he might miss some chances but we’re not going to attract anything better with our budgets. He gives us a genuine focal point and a genuine chance of getting goals in this division. I’ll take that given we’ve spent the majority of this season using wide men as centre forwards.
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Tchoyi? Ideye?
Deary me.
My thoughts exactly
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4m if we go down but he's on 55k per week so very unlikely
Apparently Austin was on more than that and he was clearly finished when we signed him, mind you being finished tends to be a plus point when it comes to our lot deciding whether to sign a player.
As with Okay, if he fancies it we'd be stupid not to.
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I like watching him, wins a lot of flick ons, needs players near him and smart players around him, which we have now and it was clear today.
I'm seeing some comparisons here...he reminds me of Demba Ba.
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Apparently Austin was on more than that and he was clearly finished when we signed him, mind you being finished tends to be a plus point when it comes to our lot deciding whether to sign a player.
As with Okay, if he fancies it we'd be stupid not to.
We will have the money for sure but will he come?
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A goalscorer is priceless, he will score goals, he will miss a lot of chances, but he will get goals too. The money isn't THAT much compared to what some strikers go for in the championship.
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If only we had this lad upfront all season that but on 70 minutes he took down and got us 30 yards up the pitch was superb. Bullied Maguire & Lindeloff today, brilliant header for the goal I think the 2nd chance would have been given as a foul he had to bury that 3rd chance though. Looks a real handful & what we’ve desperately missed all season.
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Without meaning to be harsh he should have scored more than one today.
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Guys save yourselves the heartache there is zero chance of him joining in the Championship and therefore zero chance of him being with us after the end of the season.
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Guys save yourselves the heartache there is zero chance of him joining in the Championship and therefore zero chance of him being with us after the end of the season.
Why agree a fee then? There's every chance imo.
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Why agree a fee then? There's every chance imo.
Incase he scores 40 goals for us and keeps us up.
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Without meaning to be harsh he should have scored more than one today.
but isn't that why he's with us and not at a better club? If a striker puts away 3 of any 5 chances he has, he's probably in the top tier. Playing for a top club, with European football. We are not that, and we will very, very rarely find ourselves with a striker that buries more than 50% of the shots that come his way.
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Incase he scores 40 goals for us and keeps us up.
we've agreed two fees. One for is we stay up. One for if we go down. Why agree the latter, if there is zero chance of him staying?
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Incase he scores 40 goals for us and keeps us up.
Fees agreed for both outcomes.
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Fees agreed for both outcomes.
That's great news.
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Yep I think it was 4 if we go down or 8/9 if we stay up. It's the wages though. As pointed out to me though Dowling agreed to give Austin 50k PW in the EFL so who knows.
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but isn't that why he's with us and not at a better club? If a striker puts away 3 of any 5 chances he has, he's probably in the top tier. Playing for a top club, with European football. We are not that, and we will very, very rarely find ourselves with a striker that buries more than 50% of the shots that come his way.
Stuff other clubs and why he's with us. He should've scored more than one today.
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We will have the money for sure but will he come?
Depends if he settles in at the club I suppose. Let's not forget he's turning 30 at the start of next season and Galatasaray clearly want to sell him. I honestly don't think he will get a PL move - will be a final big money contract at a Europa League Turkish/Russian club if he doesn't fancy us in the Championship, guarantee it.
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Stuff other clubs and why he's with us. He should've scored more than one today.
He would have if AMN could pass a simple cross.
He had 2 big chances today and scored 1 of them. Good strike rate but the 2nd was a poor miss.
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He would have if AMN could pass a simple cross.
He had 2 big chances today and scored 1 of them. Good strike rate but the 2nd was a poor miss.
A very Rondon like performance I thought. Created problems, scores a difficult header and misses a sitter. Glad we have him.
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Depends if he settles in at the club I suppose. Let's not forget he's turning 30 at the start of next season and Galatasaray clearly want to sell him. I honestly don't think he will get a PL move - will be a final big money contract at a Europa League Turkish/Russian club if he doesn't fancy us in the Championship, guarantee it.
You are right. He's just turned 29 so his next contract will be his last decent one. I think.he would run riot in the EFL
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Believe there is an agreement that we can sign him for £4 million if relagated as parent club are endanger of financial fair play.
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Believe there is an agreement that we can sign him for £4 million if relagated as parent club are endanger of financial fair play.
Small matter of £55k a week contract which has another 2 years to run and no we aren't paying that in the Championship or anything close. So unless they are so desperate to unload they are prepared to pay roughly half the fee then not happening.
And I wouldn't go as far as to say I would want him either.
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Small matter of £55k a week contract which has another 2 years to run and no we aren't paying that in the Championship or anything close. So unless they are so desperate to unload they are prepared to pay roughly half the fee then not happening.
And I wouldn't go as far as to say I would want him either.
if agreement is in place then personal terms are more than likely agreed as for you not wanting him here that probably a mute point.
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Small matter of £55k a week contract which has another 2 years to run and no we aren't paying that in the Championship or anything close. So unless they are so desperate to unload they are prepared to pay roughly half the fee then not happening.
And I wouldn't go as far as to say I would want him either.
We paid Austin around 50k per week so not unthinkable.
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We paid Austin around 50k per week so not unthinkable.
No we didn't Southampton bought out that contract.
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No we didn't Southampton bought out that contract.
Was reported in various papers we did. How much did we pay him roughly then?
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Was reported in various papers we did. How much did we pay him roughly then?
Something around a about £25k in the Championship and £50k in the Premier League (too much in both cases) and the same principle applies to Diangne.
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He would have if AMN could pass a simple cross.
He had 2 big chances today and scored 1 of them. Good strike rate but the 2nd was a poor miss.
So was the third :o
He had 3 good chances
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Something around a about £25k in the Championship and £50k in the Premier League (too much in both cases) and the same principle applies to Diangne.
Never seen those figures bandied around in any of the papers. Local/Athletic said more around 50k EFL/70k PL. Interesting I'll have a Google unless you can name the source in here
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So was the third :o
He had 3 good chances
I'm on about the 3rd, the 2nd one was being brought back for a foul. So he had 2 good chances.
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Looks a handful and scored a great goal but, true to form, more words about the misses.
I'f he keeps going like this then I hope we keep him for the promotion push. Mitrovic played a season in the Championship, as did Gayle, Rodriguez and Grealish so no reason why Diagne won't.
If people are on a downer after today they may as well pull the quilt over until August.
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Never seen those figures bandied around in any of the papers. Local/Athletic said more around 50k EFL/70k PL. Interesting I'll have a Google unless you can name the source in here
£70k was certainly mentioned in the PL.
Around £30k/£35k is tops for any Championship player. It’s why we’ll struggle to sign Gayle I suspect. Would love to see Diagne and Gayle together
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Why agree a fee then? There's every chance imo.
Not if an when we go down. He will have better options I feel.
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if agreement is in place then personal terms are more than likely agreed as for you not wanting him here that probably a mute point.
If he does well now and we go down, then we could exercise out right to buy him and then sell him on at a profit.
A salary must have been agreed with him for next season (I assume a flex
down) for him to have agreed to his part of the deal if we can buy him for £4m. Maybe he’d be getting a £1m signing-on fee which is worth £20k/week extra to him to make up the difference next season.
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This guy reminds me of Somen Tchoyi, one minute it looks like he can be playing at Barca, the next Blackpool.
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Although its still early days, he seems to have a good positional sense and anticipate chances. He also looks strong without being static and today was clearly a handful for the Man U defenders.
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I'm on about the 3rd, the 2nd one was being brought back for a foul. So he had 2 good chances.
Was it given as a foul?
If it was Diagne didn't know it would be
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If the fee and wages are agreed he cant turn us down whether he is happy playing in the champ or not, I would sign him no matter what as he would kill the champ which is where we will definatley be next season. If he continues his good form this season and we go down, if we bought him there would be loads of takers if we wanted to sell straight on at a pretty penny.
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So was the third :o
He had 3 good chances
Of the three good chances two were completely of his own creation. Very few strikers would’ve got on the end of that cross to score the goal, same applies to the chance where he bullies Maguire. The chance from Furlong’s cross is an absolute sitter no doubt.
He’s class. Had a very good game yesterday, it’s a breath of fresh air actually having a striker at the club.
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He will either score the goals and we will activate deal and he will be bought straight away for a quick earner. Or we go down and he comes with us. The guy needs a home. Like odemwingie he has gone all over the place without ever really staying.
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I like him on the limited evidence so far.
He's a handful, a real nuisance for defenders. He reminds me of Alan Shearer the way he puts himself about.
Not saying he's that good, he almost certainly isn't, not entirely convinced by his finishing, but no defender is going to be comfortable with him around.
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I'm in the unconvinced camp.
He wont be allowed to clamber over the defenders the way he did for his goal, or the second chance. He's clumsy and unorthodox which is why I likened him to Tchoyi. At one point in the second half he attempted a relatively simple ball over the top and put it out of play with the type of miss hit you dont really see from top players. I think the league will get wise to and learn how to defend against him quickly.
He will get a few goals because he is a nuisance, but is he more than a 6 a season man in the top flight? I dont know, I wouldn't rush to complete the signing just yet.
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I'm in the unconvinced camp.
He wont be allowed to clamber over the defenders the way he did for his goal, or the second chance. He's clumsy and unorthodox which is why I likened him to Tchoyi. At one point in the second half he attempted a relatively simple ball over the top and put it out of play with the type of miss hit you dont really see from top players. I think the league will get wise to and learn how to defend against him quickly.
He will get a few goals because he is a nuisance, but is he more than a 6 a season man in the top flight? I dont know, I wouldn't rush to complete the signing just yet.
I think he’d get 20+ in the Championship. Let’s get him alongside Gayle
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I'm in the unconvinced camp.
He wont be allowed to clamber over the defenders the way he did for his goal, or the second chance. He's clumsy and unorthodox which is why I likened him to Tchoyi. At one point in the second half he attempted a relatively simple ball over the top and put it out of play with the type of miss hit you dont really see from top players. I think the league will get wise to and learn how to defend against him quickly.
He will get a few goals because he is a nuisance, but is he more than a 6 a season man in the top flight? I dont know, I wouldn't rush to complete the signing just yet.
I reckon over a 38 game season he'd get into the double figures in terms of goals. Maybe only just but I'd back him to do it.
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Whatever Mbaye’s goal return is in the Premier , it will be a good deal better than we get from the striker we signed in the summer ,Karlan Grant ! One up to Big Sam over Slav there methinks .
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I think he would get 10 up like Rondon.
It’s the nuisance value he brings so other players get goals
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I think he would get 10 up like Rondon.
It’s the nuisance value he brings so other players get goals
Agreed, too often fans focus on goals which is important but not everything. I always thought Marc Antoine Fortune was great at the nuisance factor and was present during our best spell in the Premier League. He barely scored but his overall play was fantastic.
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That’s why he’s on loan, useless
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That’s why he’s on loan, useless
Yet our best forward by miles, depressing
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That’s why he’s on loan, useless
Useless? Thats harsh, he's the only striker we have that looks like scoring during a game.
If that shot had gone in and not hit the bar you'd be singing a different tune.
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Not that involved most the game but does come to life and produce some unpredictable moments when needed . Should have scored that though today.
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Made the chance himself too.
He's a great signing. The goals will come.
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Bad miss but none of our other strikers even create that chance for themselves. Also set one up on a plate for Pereira.
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He's a handful , won't score as many as he should but always a danger . Good touch too , get the ball to his feet .
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Done more in his few games than Grant all season He'd rip up the championship.
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He’s better with the football than I thought he would be - he’s made that chance of his own accord but having done all the hard work he has to bury it from six yards out. I don’t wish to appear too critical but he’s missed a great chance against United too and in our position we cannot afford that.
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He's been great. 3 home games coming up, i believe he will score more than 1.
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Leads the line well gave Burnley defence all sorts of problems coming deep and pulling centre halves out wide. Pitty he didn't score but put it on plate for Pereira.
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This guy makes us look a different team. Gutted he missed the chance but he made it all himself.
On another day he would have made up with it with an assist for Pereira.
He will get goals for sure
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Not seen it mentioned elsewhere but commentators on Burnley YouTube highlights say that linesman flagged for offside after Diagne hit bar, so it wouldn't have counted.
https://youtu.be/SVHoSvRbjHw
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He’s better with the football than I thought he would be - he’s made that chance of his own accord but having done all the hard work he has to bury it from six yards out. I don’t wish to appear too critical but he’s missed a great chance against United too and in our position we cannot afford that.
No striker scores from every chance created, but what a relief to see someone creating a chance.
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Not seen it mentioned elsewhere but commentators on Burnley YouTube highlights say that linesman flagged for offside after Diagne hit bar, so it wouldn't have counted.
https://youtu.be/SVHoSvRbjHw
Was a good two metres onside when the pass was played.
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Deadly from six yards out and offside. Hold up play and general man handling of defense is good but has to start hitting the back of the net more often for me to get excited about him
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Deadly from six yards out and offside. Hold up play and general man handling of defense is good but has to start hitting the back of the net more often for me to get excited about him
Can't argue with that , its the goals bit now
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Thought he looked dangerous today but must be disappointed with balls into box today especially from byline with alot of balls being to high for him to get any direction on them.
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He reminds me a bit of Marc Antoine Fortune. He's a handful, but he needs 5 good chances to put 1 away. (And his hold-up play isn't as good).
I'd be looking elsewhere come the summer.
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Not really imo. He's only had 2 really good chances that weren't offside (none today) and one of those he created entirely himself.
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I said on the 20th February I felt he was useless and I haven’t changed my mind. You don’t get really good strikers on loan. It’s the one area the Albion always go cheap on as it’s the most difficult and expensive to fill.
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He reminds me a bit of Marc Antoine Fortune. He's a handful, but he needs 5 good chances to put 1 away. (And his hold-up play isn't as good).
I'd be looking elsewhere come the summer.
I thought his cushioning of the ball, and laying off, under pressure, was excellent. Knows when to draw a foul as well. With the right delivery, I’m confident he’d score. I like this guy.
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If he was currently on 5 or 6 goals we'd be in a better points position but still odds on for relegation. I'm hoping those scoring stats keep the suitors away as I think he would be superb in the Champ, having the likes of Grady, Pez, Grant and Robinson playing off him.
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The best we could have hoped for and better than what we have but I think it's clear over the last 4 games he's no finisher , not at this level anyway .
Another damning result from the Summer recruitment from Dowling and Bilic .
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Please sir, can we have some strikers in the summer?
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According to the below tweet he has the highest expected goals of any player in the league since his debut. There is a positive in this, in that he does seem to create opportunities for himself and clearly gets in the right positions.
But ultimately he has to start putting the ball in the back of the net more often when in those positions. Right now, given how tight our budget will be next season and how far it will have to stretch, I would pass.
https://twitter.com/ghostgoal/status/1368559757129363458?s=19
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Personally I 'd keep him for the Championship season next year. We need to add a quality striker to the portfolio.
Diagne, Grant, Robinson and one other should be more than adequate.
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I'm convinced this guy either doesn't know the offside rule or they don't play it in Turkey. Seriously awful striker who seemed to look OK in his first two games for us. I'm personally glad we aren't staying up because I wouldn't want to pay 4 million for this donkey to keep him. Another thing he does which winds me up is uploads videos on his personal Snapchat of him smiling driving his 280 thousand pound rolls royce after we have lost.
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I compared him to Brown Ideye..24 appearances and 4 goals..looks like I might not be far off...
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I'm convinced this guy either doesn't know the offside rule or they don't play it in Turkey. Seriously awful striker who seemed to look OK in his first two games for us. I'm personally glad we aren't staying up because I wouldn't want to pay 4 million for this donkey to keep him. Another thing he does which winds me up is uploads videos on his personal Snapchat of him smiling driving his 280 thousand pound rolls royce after we have lost.
I said on February 20th that he was and is no good. I’m still surprised var didn’t rule the one out v Man Utd. You don’t get quality on loan, and I’ll keep saying it we don’t pay the money for the position that requires the most money. We never have or will. We got lucky with odenwingie and he clicked which allowed us to stay up and build. Let’s not forget we were thrashed 6 nil before peter arrived on the opening day that time at Chelsea, although football has changed a lot in those few years.
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You don’t get quality on loan
Yokuslu.
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I said on February 20th that he was and is no good. I’m still surprised var didn’t rule the one out v Man Utd. You don’t get quality on loan, and I’ll keep saying it we don’t pay the money for the position that requires the most money. We never have or will. We got lucky with odenwingie and he clicked which allowed us to stay up and build. Let’s not forget we were thrashed 6 nil before peter arrived on the opening day that time at Chelsea, although football has changed a lot in those few years.
You don't get quality on loan?
Kieron Richardson
Romelu Lukaku
Harvey Barnes
Grady Diangana
Okay Yoksulu
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Aren't we committed to buying this guy even if we go down? Thought the deal was that we take him either way, but we just would pay a higher fee if we were still in the Premier League, but that's only from memory so could be wrong.
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Aren't we committed to buying this guy even if we go down? Thought the deal was that we take him either way, but we just would pay a higher fee if we were still in the Premier League, but that's only from memory so could be wrong.
No - it’s an option in our favour. No obligation at all. I believe £9m if we stay up, £4m if we go down.
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He’s the kind of forward that needs a partner. He’s not clinical enough to play up there alone but does hold it up well. Him and Gayle up top next season and we walk it. ;D
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No - it’s an option in our favour. No obligation at all. I believe £9m if we stay up, £4m if we go down.
Cheers, wasn't sure. Must say I'm relieved.
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No - it’s an option in our favour. No obligation at all. I believe £9m if we stay up, £4m if we go down.
I'd definitely take it up if Diagne himself agreed to drop down.
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I'd definitely take it up if Diagne himself agreed to drop down.
Relieved to see there's no reference to the Gunners between the words up and if ;D .
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You don't get quality on loan?
Kieron Richardson
Romelu Lukaku
Harvey Barnes
Grady Diangana
Okay Yoksulu
I should of said upfront. The one area which costs loads. Rom was excellent I admit and probably a once in a generation signing for us upfront. I’m struggling to think of any others for strikers on loan. No ones going to lend u a 20 goal a season man, it costs loads and we don’t pay
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Simple really
Mbaye Diagne was taken on loan as a striker to score goals
Mbaye Diagne is not a striker and doesn’t score goals.
Basically, he’s a battering ram and has no predatory instinct in the way Kevin Phillips or Odemwinge or Dwight Gayle had.
Doubt if he’d even do it in the Championship.
At £9m book him a taxi to the airport.
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Simple really
Mbaye Diagne was taken on loan as a striker to score goals
Mbaye Diagne is not a striker and doesn’t score goals.
Basically, he’s a battering ram and has no predatory instinct in the way Kevin Phillips or Odemwinge or Dwight Gayle had.
Doubt if he’d even do it in the Championship.
At £9m book him a taxi to the airport.
Not even a battering ram I'm afraid, falls over or gets knocked over with ease.
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Steve madely of the Athletic has stated its 4 million if we stay up but no option if we go down. The player himself confirmed via a interview to foreign press there's only an option should we stay up.
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Not even a battering ram I'm afraid, falls over or gets knocked over with ease.
Quite right 68 (I was there as well!)
Forgot to mention he doesn’t understand the offside rule either! I also think he has a tendency to dive.
Never mind, his mum still loves him 😂
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Steve madely of the Athletic has stated its 4 million if we stay up but no option if we go down. The player himself confirmed via a interview to foreign press there's only an option should we stay up.
Interesting - that’s not what was reported at the time
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Interesting - that’s not what was reported at the time
Yeah at the time it was 9m if we stay up and 4m if we go down. Do we have a link to Madeley saying otherwise please?
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I'm convinced this guy either doesn't know the offside rule or they don't play it in Turkey. Seriously awful striker who seemed to look OK in his first two games for us. I'm personally glad we aren't staying up because I wouldn't want to pay 4 million for this donkey to keep him. Another thing he does which winds me up is uploads videos on his personal Snapchat of him smiling driving his 280 thousand pound rolls royce after we have lost.
What is his Snapchat be interesting to see if where he lives and what he truly thinks of us.
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What is his Snapchat be interesting to see if where he lives and what he truly thinks of us.
Hes living in brum at moment from looks of it. You can go on his instagram he posts it all there.
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What is his Snapchat be interesting to see if where he lives and what he truly thinks of us.
isn't he living next to yokuslu (Mere Green?)
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isn't he living next to yokuslu (Mere Green?)
Yokuslu did say they are neighbours, no idea if thats Mere Green or not.
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Yokuslu did say they are neighbours, no idea if thats Mere Green or not.
Club used to have (or rent) some properties in Mere Green / Little Aston (nice area), I think they still use them and the mailbox
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You don't get quality on loan?
Kieron Richardson
Romelu Lukaku
Harvey Barnes
Grady Diangana
Okay Yoksulu
Other than them 😂😂😂
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Other than them 😂😂😂
I get your point and you are right to an extent you could write a list of dodgy loans equally to the good list but come on there have been some good :) ;) :P
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Was Gayle not on loan or was he not a goal-scoring striker?
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Not even a battering ram I'm afraid, falls over or gets knocked over with ease.
Agreed. Not good enough in any way for the premier league and, given that he is clearly not a goal scorer, would not want him when we are relegated either. £55k per week????? :o
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Agreed. Not good enough in any way for the premier league and, given that he is clearly not a goal scorer, would not want him when we are relegated either. £55k per week????? :o
His record prior to joining us says differently.
I actually like him, and I think that if he does stay with us then he will scare the championship to death. The problem is service; balls into the box. Like Rondon and others previously, he has to live off table scraps. and given that we spend a lot of the time in our own half then chances are few and far between. Diagne is only a striker if the rest of the team play their part.
We could have Mbappe up front and he would not get into double figures. The only one who bucked the trend was our friend Dwight.....
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His record prior to joining us says differently.
I actually like him, and I think that if he does stay with us then he will scare the championship to death. The problem is service; balls into the box. Like Rondon and others previously, he has to live off table scraps. and given that we spend a lot of the time in our own half then chances are few and far between. Diagne is only a striker if the rest of the team play their part.
We could have Mbappe up front and he would not get into double figures. The only one who bucked the trend was our friend Dwight.....
I'd agree about previous service to a point but he's had chances v Man Utd , Burnley and first half v Newcastle .I think it says a lot about the Turkish League .
The first two games especially bad misses .
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I get your point and you are right to an extent you could write a list of dodgy loans equally to the good list but come on there have been some good :) ;) :P
I was genuinely joking....I think we are good at getting loaners
Fenton
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I'd agree about previous service to a point but he's had chances v Man Utd , Burnley and first half v Newcastle .I think it says a lot about the Turkish League .
The first two games especially bad misses .
He's missed quite a few big chances but he's also been a bit help and improvement to the team. Just a shame that it is too little too late.
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He's missed quite a few big chances but he's also been a bit help and improvement to the team. Just a shame that it is too little too late.
Yep. Before him we barely had anyone getting in a position to have a decent chance.
Even at times in Championship when we were dominating at home; like the return game against Birmingham City; we struggled to get our target men on end of chances.
Just a shame he has been significantly more efficient on marginal offsides than when he isn't.
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Yep. Before him we barely had anyone getting in a position to have a decent chance.
Even at times in Championship when we were dominating at home; like the return game against Birmingham City; we struggled to get our target men on end of chances.
Just a shame he has been significantly more efficient on marginal offsides than when he isn't.
he would get a load in the chumps,
a) No VAR
b) Lower quality defences
I doubt he will be there though !
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Hard to say how he would do in the Championship he is in the side instead of Karlan Grant who scored 19 goals in the championship last season.
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he is 29 now,
if we were to offer him a contract it would be for how long?
if he did the business and we went back up, would he be capable in the prem?
Is he the answer?
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he is 29 now,
if we were to offer him a contract it would be for how long?
if he did the business and we went back up, would he be capable in the prem?
Is he the answer?
29 is usually the prime think 28 - 31 say we go up first time he would be 30 he has 1 good year left but it all depends on when he bloomed if he did it early he will be on a decline if it was normal then he would peaking if he did it late then this will be the start of his peak.
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Mbaye Diagne has been fined for posing as a striker in his CV.
He’s updating it to being an offside specialist and turf inspector as he’s always lying down on it.
Nobody will convince anyone he’s a natural goalscorer. Taxi to Turkey booked.
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Cut the personal digs and comments, you have all been warned before, its boring and shows the forum in a bad light so cut it out or all involved will be gone.
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He's missed quite a few big chances but he's also been a bit help and improvement to the team. Just a shame that it is too little too late.
Yes and no , end of the day his first job is to score goals.
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Yes and no , end of the day his first job is to score goals.
yes, have to agree with that, its a bit like having a non-scoring SKP and saying helped the team by getting in good positions.
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I know I’m only female so do forgive me.
But I thought if you got the ball into the penalty area your chances of scoring goals improved. Why don’t we do that?
You have to create chances to score"...........
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I know I’m only female so do forgive me.
But I thought if you got the ball into the penalty area your chances of scoring goals improved. Why don’t we do that?
You have to create chances to score"...........
If you wait outside the club, you aint going to pull !
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You have to create chances to score"...........
Correct - as a club we have been rubbish for years now at creating decent chances for whoever our nominated 'goal scorer' is
An accurately placed free kick, cross or corner is a lost art and a decent through ball a thing of the past at the current Albion
And don't get me started on our throw in's!
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And don't get me started on our throw in's!
Know exactly what you mean Big Frank. On many occasions at throw-ins we throw upfield up the line to one of our players who is surrounded by the opposition and usually lose possession when an infield throw-in to an unmarked player or goalkeeper is an option.
Don’t get me started on our headed clearances or midfield headers that 90% of the time are directed straight to an opponent!
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Know exactly what you mean Big Frank. On many occasions at throw-ins we throw upfield up the line to one of our players who is surrounded by the opposition and usually lose possession when an infield throw-in to an unmarked player or goalkeeper is an option.
Don’t get me started on our headed clearances or midfield headers that 90% of the time are directed straight to an opponent!
There won't be any unmarked players, the defending team always have a man advantage from throw-ins
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I know I’m only female so do forgive me.
But I thought if you got the ball into the penalty area your chances of scoring goals improved. Why don’t we do that?
You have to create chances to score"...........
How very right you are Carol 8)
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I know I’m only female so do forgive me.
But I thought if you got the ball into the penalty area your chances of scoring goals improved. Why don’t we do that?
You have to create chances to score"...........
We are creating chances, but Diagne isn't converting them, that's what this thread is about.
By his own admission, he's finding this level a lot harder than he thought.
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We are creating chances, but Diagne isn't converting them, that's what this thread is about.
By his own admission, he's finding this level a lot harder than he thought.
He's not the only one to miss some howlers lately , as you say we are creating them .
They don't all go in as my Dad often says but a few would be nice ;D
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Watching the Brentford vs Forest game, sizing up the opposition for next season. That's Forest: I don't expect Brentford to be in Championship next season.
Brentford's goal scored by someone called Ivan Toney - seem to remember that name; he makes Diagne look like League 2 player. He actually wins headers against the central defender!
(Krovinovic was his tidy self, neatly keeping hold of the ball and linking play - oh and he got Forest's equaliser.)
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I must be missing all these chances we are creating... no I’m not cause there haven’t been many at all. We have missed some opportunities but there’s hardly been a plethora of them to be fair. Diagne is not a natural finisher unfortunately.
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Just from memory he has had the ball in the net 4 times, only 1 to count, others marginally -very marginally offside. 2 good saves and a couple of misses from sharp chances or ones he created for himself. And 1 assist. not too shabby in a team that does not create many decent chances. He is doing alright for me.
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Both will be in the Championship imo. Brentford are bottling it again.
Regards strikers, I think you're forgetting quite how poor it is down there in comparison to the PL. Diagne is DEFINITELY a better player that Toney at this stage of their respective careers.
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Watching the Brentford vs Forest game, sizing up the opposition for next season. That's Forest: I don't expect Brentford to be in Championship next season.
Brentford's goal scored by someone called Ivan Toney - seem to remember that name; he makes Diagne look like League 2 player. He actually wins headers against the central defender!
(Krovinovic was his tidy self, neatly keeping hold of the ball and linking play - oh and he got Forest's equaliser.)
Different division, different players. Toney in the Prem? don't know was surely worth a try though. Wish we had kept Krovi, him and MP read each other's quick passing game that creates chances and brings others into play. Diangana benefits and so would Diagne. Would have worked with Yokuslu holding the fort behind them. Sam had to get rid though didn't he?
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Different division, different players. Toney in the Prem? don't know was surely worth a try though. Wish we had kept Krovi, him and MP read each other's quick passing game that creates chances and brings others into play. Diangana benefits and so would Diagne. Would have worked with Yokuslu holding the fort behind them. Sam had to get rid though didn't he?
Not to derail the thread but Krov is a nothing player. If we were to go back and compare him to the superb technical midfielders we had under Mowbray he's far more Kim than Koren or Teixeira. Just got nothing to his game beyond being neat and tidy.
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Different division, different players. Toney in the Prem? don't know was surely worth a try though. Wish we had kept Krovi, him and MP read each other's quick passing game that creates chances and brings others into play. Diangana benefits and so would Diagne. Would have worked with Yokuslu holding the fort behind them. Sam had to get rid though didn't he?
I have seen a lot of Toney this season and he is a proper goal scoring centre forward who i would back to scire goals in the premier league.
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I have seen a lot of Toney this season and he is a proper goal scoring centre forward who i would back to scire goals in the premier league.
The lower leagues have been littered with them over the years. We've had a few ourselves, Hughes, Hulse, Cox. It's a massive leap to Prem level, especially in a struggling team, which Brentford will be, should they go up. He may well do it but we won't know until he gets there.
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Nothing against Diagne but I don't see that instinct at this level , sounds a simple thing to say but sometimes you just know .
Odemwingie , Lukaku , Phillips / Taylor at a lower level , Shane Long to a point . All scored goals most places they have been , could always sniff something out .
Service is a issue no doubt, I never rated Rondon as a actual finisher but at Newcastle he looked a different player .
It's time we had another goal scoring hero , been a while .
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The lower leagues have been littered with them over the years. We've had a few ourselves, Hughes, Hulse, Cox. It's a massive leap to Prem level, especially in a struggling team, which Brentford will be, should they go up. He may well do it but we won't know until he gets there.
Grant Holt said the same a while back , said you go from bossing games and getting 3 or 4 chances to defending for 80% of games and maybe getting one chance . It's tough .
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Nothing against Diagne but I don't see that instinct at this level , sounds a simple thing to say but sometimes you just know .
Odemwingie , Lukaku , Phillips / Taylor at a lower level , Shane Long to a point . All scored goals most places they have been , could always sniff something out .
Service is a issue no doubt, I never rated Rondon as a actual finisher but at Newcastle he looked a different player .
It's time we had another goal scoring hero , been a while .
Shane Long? You been on the pop? ;D
The ultimate example of the opposite of a natural goalscorer. Only decent return came in the Championship for Reading.
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Not to derail the thread but Krov is a nothing player. If we were to go back and compare him to the superb technical midfielders we had under Mowbray he's far more Kim than Koren or Teixeira. Just got nothing to his game beyond being neat and tidy.
Aaah back to normal. that feels more comfortable. You are indubitably wrong though Jacko, but you are entitled to that opinion
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Aaah back to normal. that feels more comfortable. You are indubitably wrong though Jacko, but you are entitled to that opinion
I believe today was his first goal contribution for Forest in the league below where he couldn't get in our team despite his fellow countryman being manager? So my friend you are assuredly wrong, but are of course entitled to that opinion.
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I believe today was his first goal contribution for Forest in the league below where he couldn't get in our team despite his fellow countryman being manager? So my friend you are assuredly wrong, but are of course entitled to that opinion.
Didn't know he was a striker, so maybe wrong about his goals return for Forest. His fellow countryman was also wrong about him as well though. Didn't he get a couple for us ?
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Didn't know he was a striker, so maybe wrong about his goals return for Forest. His fellow countryman was also wrong about him as well though. Didn't he get a couple for us ?
By contributions I meant goals/assists, believe it's the correct parlance. To the best of my knowledge he's started every game for Forest in the 10 position. Should be doing more at that level imo if he's any good.
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Can we keep this topic to Diagne then please. I'm sure there's a topic somewhere for Krovinovic where he can de discussed or even use the ex-players thread.
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I know I’m only female so do forgive me.
But I thought if you got the ball into the penalty area your chances of scoring goals improved. Why don’t we do that?
You have to create chances to score"...........
Only a female? How dare you! Pop kettle on.🤪
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You lot are bl**dy cheeky!!!
But you know I’m right".... :D
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Shane Long? You been on the pop? ;D
The ultimate example of the opposite of a natural goalscorer. Only decent return came in the Championship for Reading.
Thought you might comment on that ;D, more likely to score those recent chances than Mbaye in my humble . Not as natural as others id mentioned but had a goal in him .
Must have done something right to have pretty much a career in the top flight . As Oldbury say though back to Diangne ...
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Diagne has looked good at times, works well , bullies defenders and has a presence, new league, team underperforming and transitioning in to new formation/ passages of play.....I think most would find it difficult (even before VAR tries to kill any confidence) but I think he would be unstoppable in the champ
ESP with Krov and Pererira behind him 😉
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Diagne has looked good at times, works well , bullies defenders and has a presence, new league, team underperforming and transitioning in to new formation/ passages of play.....I think most would find it difficult (even before VAR tries to kill any confidence) but I think he would be unstoppable in the champ
ESP with Krov and Pererira behind him 😉
He might be good with ‘Krov’ and ‘Pererira’ behind him but neither of these players are on the West Brom books!
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Diagne has looked good at times, works well , bullies defenders and has a presence, new league, team underperforming and transitioning in to new formation/ passages of play.....I think most would find it difficult (even before VAR tries to kill any confidence) but I think he would be unstoppable in the champ
ESP with Krov and Pererira behind him 😉
Whoes Pererira when did we sign him
Of Course I'm having a laugh probably a Typo
But this is exactly why we need Pereira in the Number 10 GD on the wing Okay should be keeping it Solid we would hopefully be lethal even chuck Robinson in there he can play the wing put Grant up top with Diagne to late now anyway.
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Superb performance from the big man today. Won everything, brilliant build up play and one chance one goal. He's a very good striker.
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Really bullied their back line..I compared him to Brown Ideye which I now admit was a big mistake..the outball to him stuck everytime and allowed others to come into play..been crying out for a player like this since Rondon left..hope Sam now sees we can score goals and dont need to keep sitting back. Even with 11 a side we would have given Chelsea a game..
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Superb performance from the big man today. Won everything, brilliant build up play and one chance one goal. He's a very good striker.
I agree with you and I’m not sure he has warranted some of the criticism he has received.
He is not going to operate the channels but if we can play into him then we have someone who can hold the ball and bring the others into play
He’s missed some very good chances - of that there is no doubt - but it did not warrant some of the comparisons that have been drawn when you consider his all round game.
For the money we had available, he has been a good signing. We were not going to sign any better in my opinion
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Agree with Jacko and Liam. A good lone striker. Not the world's best but we can't get the world's best. Yes he should have more but we'd look much worse without him. A good signing.
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Classy composed finish today.
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Won everything today and his hold up play was brilliant. Need to try and keep him and yokuslu
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I’d have been disappoint if Johnstone had been beaten by a strike like his today but it was a decent performance. Over shadowed by a good number of others mind.
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I’d have been disappoint if Johnstone had been beaten by a strike like his today but it was a decent performance. Over shadowed by a good number of others mind.
What? It was a fantastic finish.
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I agree with you and I’m not sure he has warranted some of the criticism he has received.
He is not going to operate the channels but if we can play into him then we have someone who can hold the ball and bring the others into play
He’s missed some very good chances - of that there is no doubt - but it did not warrant some of the comparisons that have been drawn when you consider his all round game.
For the money we had available, he has been a good signing. We were not going to sign any better in my opinion
made to look much better by having Periera buzzing around him. Hope to see more of this, but suspect MP will be shoved out wide again ?! :-X
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What? It was a fantastic finish.
I think it caught the keeper off guard, but it wasn’t right in the corner and it looks to me like the keeper could of got to it. Keeper seems to throw his legs out left rather than dive right.
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I’d have been disappoint if Johnstone had been beaten by a strike like his today but it was a decent performance. Over shadowed by a good number of others mind.
I found myself in the same position at football on Wednesday night and his finish was reminiscent of mine. Outcome was the same too, keeper coukdnt get to it. Good finish! :P
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made to look much better by having Periera buzzing around him. Hope to see more of this, but suspect MP will be shoved out wide again ?! :-X
I don’t think we will see Pereira wide again in a hurry..
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I found myself in the same position at football on Wednesday night and his finish was reminiscent of mine. Outcome was the same too, keeper coukdnt get to it. Good finish! :P
Sign him up, sign him up, sign him up. 😜
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I don’t think we will see Pereira wide again in a hurry..
I think we can all agree that we don't want to see it, but ....
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Pereira is probably best up front alongside Diagne at the moment. Keeps him central without compromising the midfield and allows him the freedom to drop deeper or pull wide. Trouble is we usually line up 4-1-4-1.
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Sign him up, sign him up, sign him up. 😜
They did come and scout me and 1 or 2 others as a kid in the county finals (i had a decent rep) but i had an absolute shocker! Fell apart mentally knowing i was being watched, didn't play competively for about 14 years after that so now i stick to moaning on here ;D
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How many goals has he really scored as opposed to the "stats"?!
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How many goals has he really scored as opposed to the "stats"?!
By my count 2 actual goals, 2 wrongfully disallowed and 2 correctly disallowed.
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How many goals has he really scored as opposed to the "stats"?!
Up till about a week ago we'd produced nothing for our strikers to work with. I've always thought Callum was a good signing, but people were calling him cr** too and he's obviously not.
If it were affordable i'd have Diagne for next season
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Great performance, worried Vestergaard and Bednarek to death.
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Heavily involved in the first two and played a big part in the 3rd in terms of occupying their defence to create the space in behind.
Gutted for him that he has had a legit goal stolen but deserves a lot of praise for his overall performance.
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By my count 2 actual goals, 2 wrongfully disallowed and 2 correctly disallowed.
His goals scored stats probably don't even tell half the story of his impact.
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Can't criticise him for his effort, but he should have a done a lot better with that chance with only the keeper to beat. It was nowhere near the target.
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He’s very useful in the final third. That’ll do me.
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Hes had one wrongfully disallowed. He assisted the second and he wins the flick that directly leads to us winning penalty.
Contribution cant be faulted just needs to add more goals for himself. Some point they will flood in. Hopefully v the villa
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I hope we can get this guy in perm, we look so much more threatening in the final third with this guy on pitch.
Won a crucial header for the build up to pen, then an amazing pass to Phillips.
He is a great outlet and his hold up play is fantastic.
If he can start burying the easier chances he will be magnificent ;D
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His general play is good, his final ball is often excellent, his work-rate can't be faulted, he has made chances for himself and others and he has actually put the ball in the net -what - 4 or 5 times, with only a couple counting, the others very marginal if possibly correctly discounted, and the one last night a blatant bit of K Friendliness. Just a little bit more steadiness when a chance occurs and he will be the real deal. We really do need to get him on a permanent contract, he will be a key player for us.
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His general play is good, his final ball is often excellent, his work-rate can't be faulted, he has made chances for himself and others and he has actually put the ball in the net -what - 4 or 5 times, with only a couple counting, the others very marginal if possibly correctly discounted, and the one last night a blatant bit of K Friendliness. Just a little bit more steadiness when a chance occurs and he will be the real deal. We really do need to get him on a permanent contract, he will be a key player for us.
agree he would destroy the chumps, but will he want to? Wages ??
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Can't criticise him for his effort, but he should have a done a lot better with that chance with only the keeper to beat. It was nowhere near the target.
That was an exceptionally poor effort.
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I’ve said it since he first appeared in a Baggies shirt - Mybaye Diagne is not a natural goal scorer.
He does hold the ball and pass it on pretty well as he did for Matt Phillips’ goal and scares defenders to death but, he will never be a goal poacher in the Kevin Philips or Dwight Gayle mode.
Against lesser Championship opposition he mare fare better if we still have him but not in the Premier League as has been amply demonstrated with his easy clear missed chances.
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Not a finisher but a pain to play against and better than what we have .
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Not a finisher but a pain to play against and better than what we have .
I don't agree with that, all strikers miss chances. His VAR goal was great instinctive play, that was an attempted shot from Furlong that he anticipated and headed in. His finish at Chelsea was quality. His marginal offside goal against Everton was superb individual play and clinical. I think he's been excellent overall and a little unfortunate not to have scored more. Also, his goal to game ratio throughout his career has always been very good.
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I don't agree with that, all strikers miss chances. His VAR goal was great instinctive play, that was an attempted shot from Furlong that he anticipated and headed in. His finish at Chelsea was quality. His marginal offside goal against Everton was superb individual play and clinical. I think he's been excellent overall and a little unfortunate not to have scored more. Also, his goal to game ratio throughout his career has always been very good.
He's missed too many sitters to be classed as a finisher as much as I like him , he's not in the Odemwingie bracket put it that way .
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He's missed too many sitters to be classed as a finisher as much as I like him , he's not in the Odemwingie bracket put it that way .
Not in terms of finishing, no, but his all round link up play is probably better.
That doesn't mean he's not a finisher though, if we give him the one against Saints, that's 1 in 3 for us which, whilst not being too shabby, would be his worst spell ever. As Baggie82 says, there are others that were marginal to say the least, so could have been much better.
His career average is 1 in 1.4.
If he's here next year I would back him for 10-15 in the Prem and 15-20 in the Champ.
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I said early on he's got a bit of the Tchoyi about him.
I didn't mean that was his level. He's clear better than Tchoyi but he's seems capable of the sublime and the horrific, whilst looking quite clumsy at times. There is just something quite weird and quite unique about the way he plays but he is a nuisance and a presence.
You can sort of see why when he was younger a team like Juve thought he was worth a closer look, but at the same time why he's never made it at that level.
By far the best we have but i dont know if clubs will be lining up for him. Maybe one of the promoted teams but I'm not sure anyone established.
Far more chance of keeping Diange than Yokuslu if we go down. Even if we stay up keeping Yokuslu will be tough mind.
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I don't agree with that, all strikers miss chances. His VAR goal was great instinctive play, that was an attempted shot from Furlong that he anticipated and headed in. His finish at Chelsea was quality. His marginal offside goal against Everton was superb individual play and clinical. I think he's been excellent overall and a little unfortunate not to have scored more. Also, his goal to game ratio throughout his career has always been very good.
One of the first things he did in the stripes was pull a ball out of the sky with one touch and look forward instead of behind him. Looked a level above what we had from minute one.
Hes a big fella and can hold the ball up but not there to win flick ons. He has good touch, vision and passing and must be great to play off. Regarding his finishing, t's a cliche but you have to be in the right place to miss the chances! Keep getting in those positions and goals will come regardless of division.
A big yes for me if we can tempt him to stay with a nice big promotion bonus.
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I think the comparison with Odemwingie is the wrong one, we should be comparing Diagne to his CF predecessors (Austin / Zohore / Lambert (spits) / Rondon) I would think the only one who he is not superior to is Rondon.
I would be comparing Robinson, HRK, Grant, Burke to Odemwingie and PO is a different class IMO
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Some good points of debate on this this morning guys , I do like i'll point out :D
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I think he's wired wrong.
The distance between his brain and his feet is too long, so the signal from his brain too his feet is delayed.
If he was 6inches shorter he'd be a world beater.
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I think he's wired wrong.
The distance between his brain and his feet is too long, so the signal from his brain too his feet is delayed.
If he was 6inches shorter he'd be a world beater.
so we have ascertained that "he ay right in the yed" / "he ay wired rite" / "He's too lanky fer is own good'
A Black countrymans character appraisal is brilliant, love it !
I work with too many southerners who "take learnings from the insights and circle back to the root causation" all day long,
"proper does me swede in"
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If is yed was in the rite plerce ee wudn't be playing for the likes of we.
Like most 'strikers' he has missed a few, but not only has he scored a few as well, he has also had a few marginal decisions go against him, talking inches here not lazy offsides. He has got himself into goalscoring positions on a regular basis, he has directly assisted at least 2 other goals with very good final passes, and has been part of the build up play in a few others as well. His general outfield play and support running is intelligent. Decent touch and good hold up play, so nothing much not to like about him for me. He would be a very good signing, an asset to the team, so a very big yes from me.
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so we have ascertained that "he ay right in the yed" / "he ay wired rite" / "He's too lanky fer is own good'
A Black countrymans character appraisal is brilliant, love it !
I work with too many southerners who "take learnings from the insights and circle back to the root causation" all day long,
"proper does me swede in"
Yo ull ave to keep yeah social distancing wi these guys. Wot they got is more dangerous than covid. Mind yo doe ketch nothin off um mah mert - Saft suthern self-gratifying shitespakers. lookarter thisself Albionic yome in bandit country
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I don't agree with that, all strikers miss chances. His VAR goal was great instinctive play, that was an attempted shot from Furlong that he anticipated and headed in. His finish at Chelsea was quality. His marginal offside goal against Everton was superb individual play and clinical. I think he's been excellent overall and a little unfortunate not to have scored more. Also, his goal to game ratio throughout his career has always been very good.
Agree with Dexy, I don’t really see him as a great finisher - we were told as much by the Turkish media and fans. What we were told is that he regularly topped the “expected goals†statistics for the division, which suggests his ability is actually in reading the game well and having a knack of being in the right place. Watching him those first few games, you could really see it. While he keeps missing, he is always in the right place at the right time.
What has surprised me is how good he is outside the box - something the Turkish media didn’t rate him for.
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This 10 game run with 2 goals is probably the worst goal scoring run in his career all the evidence is that he is a goal scorer. Were he playing in the Championship I would back him to score heavily (0.4 goals per 90 or better) assuming we are not witnessing a post peak decline in reaction time which is what kills post peak strikers. That said we probably are looking at a step up drop off that most strikers experience when playing in the Premier League for the first time.
I would echo Baggies sentiments with regard to his work outside the box. I suspect that is surprising because with Galatasaray he will be playing for a dominant team and as such won't have to as much work without the ball.
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Mbaye may have missed a few really good chances but he's extremely unlucky not to have four goals to his name. He was a fraction offside in the last minute against Everton and he actually did score a legitimate goal against Southampton, it's not his fault VAR is messing the game about.
Had he scored 4 in ten, that's better than one in three and I suspect everyone would settle for that.
I think hes been a fantastic addition to us. He gives us a focal point and along with Okay really strengthens the spine of the team.
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Mbaye may have missed a few really good chances but he's extremely unlucky not to have four goals to his name. He was a fraction offside in the last minute against Everton and he actually did score a legitimate goal against Southampton, it's not his fault VAR is messing the game about.
Had he scored 4 in ten, that's better than one in three and I suspect everyone would settle for that.
I think hes been a fantastic addition to us. He gives us a focal point and along with Okay really strengthens the spine of the team.
Came agonisingly close against Spurs too.
It could work for us though if we go down. Potentially if no one in the Premier League sniffs at him then he could join us. I hope that happens anyway, but I am doubtful.
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how much would posters shell out on him? For me the answer depends on how much we could get by disposing of Grant.
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He's missed too many sitters to be classed as a finisher as much as I like him , he's not in the Odemwingie bracket put it that way .
I agree he is not as good as Odemwingie, but Pete was borderline world class until Roy Hodgson unreasonably shoved him onto the left wing to accommodate Shane Long. I'd be delighted to keep Diagne post his loan spell, he brings some leadership to the team as much as anything else.
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how much would posters shell out on him? For me the answer depends on how much we could get by disposing of Grant.
We have very little scope for that move and very little room for manoeuvre
a) Zero chance of selling Grant.
b) We have an option to buy for £4.5m and I don't see Galatasaray coming off that price
c) There are two years of his contract in Turkey to be factored in which is a much bigger stumbling block than the fee.
A good short term option but we are at post peak here so the length of any contract is critical.
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Thats it, we have a 4m fee agreed to buy him if/when we go down but he's on 55k a week. Thats a big problem in the EFL.
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If is yed was in the rite plerce ee wudn't be playing for the likes of we.
Like most 'strikers' he has missed a few, but not only has he scored a few as well, he has also had a few marginal decisions go against him, talking inches here not lazy offsides. He has got himself into goalscoring positions on a regular basis, he has directly assisted at least 2 other goals with very good final passes, and has been part of the build up play in a few others as well. His general outfield play and support running is intelligent. Decent touch and good hold up play, so nothing much not to like about him for me. He would be a very good signing, an asset to the team, so a very big yes from me.
I agree with this assessment. He is much better than anyone else we have got and he will scare the living daylights out of the Championship, so its a yes from me.
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I agree he is not as good as Odemwingie, but Pete was borderline world class until Roy Hodgson unreasonably shoved him onto the left wing to accommodate Shane Long. I'd be delighted to keep Diagne post his loan spell, he brings some leadership to the team as much as anything else.
Harsh on roy as even on the wing he scored goals.
The thing that killed our relationship with the best striker we had on our books on a perm in my lifetime was Clarke freezing him out for big Rom who never was our player and never was going to be
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Harsh on roy as even on the wing he scored goals.
The thing that killed our relationship with the best striker we had on our books on a perm in my lifetime was Clarke freezing him out for big Rom who never was our player and never was going to be
It was a stupid move and led to Odemwingie wanting out and us then getting relegated the year after once we'd lost Lukuku and Shane Long missed chance after chance. Roy Hodgson did a good job but he didn't walk on water. If you remember he accused Pete of feigning injury. If we'd just kept Odemwingie playing in his preferred position we'd been fine.
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Where have people seen that we have agreed a fee in the event of being relegated? I've only ever seen reports of a fee being agreed and the player staying should we stay up.
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Where have people seen that we have agreed a fee in the event of being relegated? I've only ever seen reports of a fee being agreed and the player staying should we stay up.
Various articles. I can't remember now but i'm sure one was Athletic. 9m if PL, 4m if EFL.
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Where have people seen that we have agreed a fee in the event of being relegated? I've only ever seen reports of a fee being agreed and the player staying should we stay up.
I recall reports that we had two differing fees depending which league we are in.
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Well if that's true then he is as good as ours. They would of not only agreed a few with Galatasary but also the wage with the player and his representatives. I personally don't think it's true and he will stay if we stay up. If we had agreed a fee in the likely event that we are relegated then SA wouldn't of said its unlikely he stays if we go down as he did a month or so ago.
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It was a stupid move and led to Odemwingie wanting out and us then getting relegated the year after once we'd lost Lukuku and Shane Long missed chance after chance. Roy Hodgson did a good job but he didn't walk on water. If you remember he accused Pete of feigning injury. If we'd just kept Odemwingie playing in his preferred position we'd been fine.
Odemwingie left for Cardiff in August 2013 and we got relegated in 2017/18 not sure why you think we got relegated the year after Odemwingie left. Agree with everything else about Roy though.
Diagne should be able to take the Championship by storm and would be a steal at £4/4.5M. If we can keep most of the squad and bring in decent replacements for those first XI we sell (Johnstone and maybe Pereira) and for Yokuslu and AMN then we'll be fine next season.
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I would love him to stay permanently as he’s been an excellent addition. He’s a big focal point upfront, he’s technically better than I thought and he looks a threat in the oppositions penalty box. We’d be in a much better position had we had him all season.
Though the money currently been spoken about is simply unaffordable for the division we’re heading. We cannot afford to spend near £4milion on him in the championship - his wages are also out of our league and he would to reduce them by more than half. He’s a 29 year old with no resale value who could bleed our finances should we not be promoted.
Some may call it a lack of ambition, I’d call it sheer stupidity personally.
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Well if that's true then he is as good as ours. They would of not only agreed a few with Galatasary but also the wage with the player and his representatives. I personally don't think it's true and he will stay if we stay up. If we had agreed a fee in the likely event that we are relegated then SA wouldn't of said its unlikely he stays if we go down as he did a month or so ago.
If he said that then that seems definitive to me, there's no deal in place if we go down. >:(
Where have the £4m rumours come from?
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If he said that then that seems definitive to me, there's no deal in place if we go down. >:(
Where have the £4m rumours come from?
there were reports at the time he signed that we'd agreed 2 fees £6M if we stayed up and £4M if we went down.
I found this from Sports witness via Fotospor:
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-loan-details-revealed-different-fees-depending-pl-survival/
Could all be a big crock of **** though.
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Assuming wages aren't an issue £4m is a no brainer. If we don't we'll be relying on Grant and Kanu.
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Assuming wages aren't an issue £4m is a no brainer. If we don't we'll be relying on Grant and Kanu.
Wages are a big issue and for context £4m might be the biggest fee that anybody shells out for a player in the Championship next summer and the fee also looks a lot like the one we set fire to when we signed another "no brainer" in Charlie Austin.
Never the less we won't be relying on Grant and Kanu because Kanu is out of contract but Zohore isn't. However I would add that Grant was one of the top goal scorers in the division last season so that is far from hopeless aside from the fact that he is pretty much the same player as Robinson who is also quite likely to be here.
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Assuming wages aren't an issue £4m is a no brainer. If we don't we'll be relying on Grant and Kanu.
Grant scores alot of goals in the championship. HRK is out of contract and will hopefully go Austins contract is also up. We will need another 2 striking additions in the summer.
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Grant scores alot of goals in the championship. HRK is out of contract and will hopefully go Austins contract is also up. We will need another 2 striking additions in the summer.
Correction. Grant HAS scored a lot of goals in the Championship. Since then, he hasn’t played much. Hopefully he has an innate ability to switch back on.
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We've certainly got strength in depth in the left side of attack next season. No one else in the EFL can claim those attacking riches out there ;D
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Honourable mention tonight for one of the worst forward displays I’ve seen in a good while.
I really like him but he stunk the place out tonight.
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Honourable mention tonight for one of the worst forward displays I’ve seen in a good while.
I really like him but he stunk the place out tonight.
Said the same , from the moment he kicked the floor from that early shot .
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This guy has to be one of the most hot and cold players I've ever seen in a Albion shirt. We know he has ability and can hold up play well but does he do it enough? Does he have it in him for when the chips are down and the going gets tough? Not in my view. As others have said he stank the place out last night after kicking the floor after missing that easy chance
On a side note he is also doing my head in uploading pictures to social media of his 280 thousand pound rolls Royce all the time. I know they aren't down to earth but christ he isn't doing anything with us at the moment and we are in a global pandemic and he is doing that. Very very frustrating player.
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He hasn't exactly got a low centre of gravity and I thought he struggled to cope with the very wet surface at the start last night. They were still watering right up to kick off and you could see splashes in some areas when players were running....no doubt same at half time. He seemed to struggle with his balance / footing all night.
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......On a side note he is also doing my head in uploading pictures to social media of his 280 thousand pound rolls Royce all the time. I know they aren't down to earth but christ he isn't doing anything with us at the moment and we are in a global pandemic and he is doing that.......
Very, very simple solution. If what he does on social media grinds your gears, don't look at what he's doing on social media.
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I've calmed down from last night but I was absolutely livid. I appreciate the chances he creates but my word I beg we don't sign him in the summer, it's like he doesn't know what to do with the ball at his feet. There is no reason to sign a player just because we can sign them on the cheaper side.
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There was an instant when the ball broke to him and he was in the clear about 45 yards out and he hadn't got the bottle / pace to go at goal but was looking around for someone to pass responsibility to. Leicesters players would be away bearing down on goal.
I posted recently that he would destroy chumps defences, on last nights non-performance I'm starting to be sceptical.
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He didn't seem to be moving freely from the start. Maybe he was carrying an injury of some sort.
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He didn't seem to be moving freely from the start. Maybe he was carrying an injury of some sort.
As were they all Think ::)
Any way back to Diagne. He did seem to be having difficulty moving but was often totally isolated with nothing to pass to at times, and running the ball would simply have been to lose it. The same with MP, nothing behind them, alongside them or trying to get in front except Robinson. Who was first off again and unlikely to play as a starter any time soon despite him being no worse than anybody else.
AMN for me was our worst player neither defensively, nor creatively was he having any effect on the game. Why did he stay on? Where was Gallagher? Why HRK, why not Diangana. Diagne was not alone in such a poor perormance. Time to look in the mirror Mr Allardyce, your performance was as bad as Diagne's
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Was Gallagher one game shy of a ban for the accumulation of yellow cards? If so the deadline came to an end with yesterday's 32nd fixture.
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Was Gallagher one game shy of a ban for the accumulation of yellow cards? If so the deadline came to an end with yesterday's 32nd fixture.
Ah that would make some sense then, but the last line of my post still holds true
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I'm in 2 minds about this bloke. He started off looking much sharper around the box than any of our previous strikers, but the last few games he's done very little. He's looked flat footed most of the time and even his goal today wasn't going in before the deflection. But he's still probably the best proper striker we've got. :(
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Some of his passing, crossing and through balls are actually sublime at times, but he isn't doing enough of what I thought he would i.e bully defenders and get his head on things. Still a far better option than anything else we have.
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I'm in 2 minds about this bloke. He started off looking much sharper around the box than any of our previous strikers, but the last few games he's done very little. He's looked flat footed most of the time and even his goal today wasn't going in before the deflection. But he's still probably the best proper striker we've got. :(
Sorry but this is a terrible take. We're 2nd from bottom. He has 2 goals and multiple assists from 13 games. With a superb record on his cv. We aren't getting any better than this. He's better than any striker we've had since Rondon.
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He looks absolutely spent at the moment. Sadly who else do we have?
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Sorry but this is a terrible take. We're 2nd from bottom. He has 2 goals and multiple assists from 13 games. With a superb record on his cv. We aren't getting any better than this. He's better than any striker we've had since Rondon.
I agree. Apart from his lack of awareness re offside positions, he's been excellent. He and Yokuslu have made a massive difference. I'd love to keep him.
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Put a shift in tonight and kept seals defence occupied but faded late on great shot for own goal though. Said he was happy to be here so maybe we can get him on a permanent deal.
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Put a shift in tonight and kept seals defence occupied but faded late on great shot for own goal though. Said he was happy to be here so maybe we can get him on a permanent deal.
Wages will be an issue
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He splits opinions doesn’t he? For sure he’s better than what we have but he’s not that good in my view. For what it’s worth I don’t think he’d blow the championship away as some have suggested. Just not a natural finisher. Inconsistent is the word that comes to mind.
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Best we could get for our situation , he's tried his best but fallen a bit short .
If Sam had been here during the Summer window I doubt he'd have signed him to be fair .
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Put a shift in tonight and kept seals defence occupied but faded late on great shot for own goal though. Said he was happy to be here so maybe we can get him on a permanent deal.
The ‘great shot for own goal’ was going wide until the Mings fortunate intervention. Get rid, he’s no bally good and wouldn’t hack it in the Championship either.
Don’t need a taxi for Diagne - someone said ee-ore ways is showing off his own flashy motor.
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Sorry but this is a terrible take. We're 2nd from bottom. He has 2 goals and multiple assists from 13 games. With a superb record on his cv. We aren't getting any better than this. He's better than any striker we've had since Rondon.
If the Wolves centre backs play as badly as they did against Burnley yesterday he and Robinson will have a field day.
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If the Wolves centre backs play as badly as they did against Burnley yesterday he and Robinson will have a field day.
Personally I'd like to see him on Strictly Come Dancing and see if his foot eye co-ordination is any better holding a lady.
If not some poor bird will end up with a broken back.
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Personally I'd like to see him on Strictly Come Dancing and see if his foot eye co-ordination is any better holding a lady.
If not some poor bird will end up with a broken back.
Talking of which I'm surprised he didn't take somebody's eye out with his foot when he made that air shot against Leicester. If only he'd kicked the ball instead of that imaginary dwarf's head ;D .
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Is there a deal in place if we go down or not?
Seems a bit vague.
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Is there a deal in place if we go down or not?
Seems a bit vague.
Fee agreed around £4m, wages i doubt it.
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Fee agreed around £4m, wages i doubt it.
So does that mean he can pull the plug? If so seems little point?
Personally I can see him staying.
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So does that mean he can pull the plug? If so seems little point?
Personally I can see him staying.
No idea, when he signed the papers/twitter/athletic said around 9m if we stay up and 4m if we go down. He's on 55k per week so we wont be paying that if we go down! From that i'd say hes got right of refusal.
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No idea, when he signed the papers/twitter/athletic said around 9m if we stay up and 4m if we go down. He's on 55k per week so we wont be paying that if we go down! From that i'd say hes got right of refusal.
Didn't they say we'd agreed terms either way? I know that's been mooted online so maybe just hearsay.
All depends if he gets better offers I guess. Everyone expected Mitrovic to leave Fulham but he played a season in the Champ so not writing off Diange just yet, or Yokuslu for that matter.
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Didn't they say we'd agreed terms either way? I know that's been mooted online so maybe just hearsay.
All depends if he gets better offers I guess. Everyone expected Mitrovic to leave Fulham but he played a season in the Champ so not writing off Diange just yet, or Yokuslu for that matter.
I see no chance of Yokuslu staying, far to good for the division we will be in. Would love to be wrong though. Not bothered about Diagne; will cost a fortune on the overall package and don't think he'd score enough goals.
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I see no chance of Yokuslu staying, far to good for the division we will be in. Would love to be wrong though. Not bothered about Diagne; will cost a fortune on the overall package and don't think he'd score enough goals.
Careful what you wish for Deeney's on a free :D
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Careful what you wish for Deeney's on a free :D
OMG! Get Diagne signed now!!! ;D
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Didn't they say we'd agreed terms either way? I know that's been mooted online so maybe just hearsay.
All depends if he gets better offers I guess. Everyone expected Mitrovic to leave Fulham but he played a season in the Champ so not writing off Diange just yet, or Yokuslu for that matter.
I cant remember, all i remember is the fees agreed in either outcome.
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Diagne might not score a mad hatful, but he'd create havoc in most champ defences
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Diagne might not score a mad hatful, but he'd create havoc in most champ defences
He'd score plenty in the championship IMV.
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He'd score plenty in the championship IMV.
yeah, I think he'd be a 15-20 goal striker in the Championship, he gets into good positions and would have slightly more time in the box.
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yeah, I think he'd be a 15-20 goal striker in the Championship, he gets into good positions and would have slightly more time in the box.
And no VAR!
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Strange how many are sure Diagne would be a success in the Championship, whilst many are equally keen to right-off Grant who has already done it in the Championship.
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Strange how many are sure Diagne would be a success in the Championship, whilst many are equally keen to right-off Grant who has already done it in the Championship.
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I'd be very happy with Diagne/Grant/Robinson as our main strikers next year in the champ, give Morton a role as backup and/or get a young prospect in for a change. But please, no HRK.
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yeah, I think he'd be a 15-20 goal striker in the Championship, he gets into good positions and would have slightly more time in the box.
Given the chances Diagne has missed, the air-shots, falling over and offsides he would need another 90 mins each game to score 15-20 goals in the Championship.
It is a high quality league and immediate promotion will not be as clear cut as many on this forum think especially when we lose several of our star players.
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Given the chances Diagne has missed, the air-shots, falling over and offsides he would need another 90 mins each game to score 15-20 goals in the Championship.
It is a high quality league and immediate promotion will not be as clear cut as many on this forum think especially when we lose several of our star players.
Without the air shots and missed chances there is no way he would be here at all as the fella is a pretty decent footballer; good touch, intelligent and can make a pass (most of the time 😁) not suggesting he would definitely score 20 + goals but his all round game is above champ standard and he would be a good foil for Grant, Robinson and Grady. .
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I would definitely sign him, he's only been in the country a couple of months and already looks twice the player Grant does and if we get him for the price thats being talked about he will be a steal when he as settled in.
He has presence and pace and will score in the championship no doubt in mind. Grant isn't a target man and never will be.
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Given the chances Diagne has missed, the air-shots, falling over and offsides he would need another 90 mins each game to score 15-20 goals in the Championship.
It is a high quality league and immediate promotion will not be as clear cut as many on this forum think especially when we lose several of our star players.
We have several star players?!? ;D
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I don’t think you can ignore Diagne’s pretty good goal scoring ratio in Turkey to. That league is at least comparable to the championship.
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I don’t think you can ignore Diagne’s pretty good goal scoring ratio in Turkey to. That league is at least comparable to the championship.
I agree, would be interesting to see footage from the games. If he's getting 10 clear chances per match and scores 1 then his goals to game ratio would still look great.
I still think he'd be worth keeping for next year if possible and not on outrageous money. To get better will cost a fair bit.
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We nearly always seem to sign strikers who have good goal scoring records at their previous clubs then couldn't hit a cows harris with a banjo once they sign for us.
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Given the chances Diagne has missed, the air-shots, falling over and offsides he would need another 90 mins each game to score 15-20 goals in the Championship.
It is a high quality league and immediate promotion will not be as clear cut as many on this forum think especially when we lose several of our star players.
Players like Dwight Gayle struggle for goals in the Premier league (he's never scored more than 6 in a season) but score a barrel load in the Championship. Diagne is at least as good as Gayle IMHO.
Yes Diagne has missed some sitters and has been caught offside a few times but he gets into those positions in the first place.
Regardless of losing loan players and maybe Pereira we will still have one of the strongest squads in the Championship next season..and we will have money to get in decent replacements for those players.
I don't think promotion is a given but we will be one of the favourites for a return to the Pl.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
It should be really? We'll have got Austin and Gibbs off our books, probably (hopefully) Kanu too. I think Gibbs and Austin were on at least £50k p/w, more like £70k p/w I heard, with Kanu on about £40k p/w too.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
I remember somebody saying that about Charlie Austin as well. ::)
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I remember somebody saying that about Charlie Austin as well. ::)
The commentator on Sundays game hit the nail on the head when they were talking about Diagne. Made reference to the fact that he was scoring for fun in Turkey and then pointed out that he had not done so well here but he 'needed the service', something we have not been very good at for quite some time now.
He is not afraid to come back and help out and he is quite skilful with the ball. From my perspective he will do really well next year with the likes of Pereira etc around him and I am all for keeping him.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
Whilst I agree he would be there or thereabouts, it doesn't matter if he doesn't, provided he plays his part and the goals come from somewhere.
It's better to have goals from all over the pitch than be reliant on one focal point.
We've scored 10 in our last 4 games, he's got 1, but no-one can say he hasn't played his part.
If we win the league next season, I couldn't care if Diange, Pereira or Ajayi ends up top scorer.
What we have to remember is that, if we don't follow up on Diange, we have to go into the market, which is always a risk, just look at Grant.
From what I've seen of Diange, I wouldn't fancy our chances of doing better for £4m.
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I remember somebody saying that about Charlie Austin as well. ::)
To be fair to Austin his goals per minute ratio was pretty good and HRK started most games ahead of him.
Diagne is better than Austin anyway.
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I would buy him but at a reasonable price and wages. He never dominated in the air against opposition CBs but his control off his chest and feet was good.
In the box he didn't seem to time his jump well enough and screwed a lot of shots but his link up play was good.
Championship defenders are probably better than those in Turkey.
I wouldn't go much above £4M fee and the average team wage.
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It should be really? We'll have got Austin and Gibbs off our books, probably (hopefully) Kanu too. I think Gibbs and Austin were on at least £50k p/w, more like £70k p/w I heard, with Kanu on about £40k p/w too.
He's approaching 30 in a year where finances are impacted by COVID-19.
If he's on anything remotely near £50k a week then he will need to take a sizeable reduction for that to take him on in the championship. That doesn't take into account the fee of £4million that continues to be banded about.
Even if he was on £25k a week that is still over a million we would need to commit to with a sizeable transfer fee.
That is a massive rope around our necks should we not get promoted because there won't be a queue of clubs wanting to take him given his age.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
I genuinely do not think that he would get anywhere near that quantity of goals. Not unless he gets upwards of 80 chances in the season ;)
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I think he's got a lot of very good attributes which enable those around him. As for how many goals he'd get in the Championship it'll depend on who's going to be here to supply him.
And he's going to need to find those finishing boots he's used in other leagues too. They might be under the bed, here's hoping he has a look one of the days. Preferably before we play the Dogheads.
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I genuinely do not think that he would get anywhere near that quantity of goals. Not unless he gets upwards of 80 chances in the season ;)
If Gayle, Rodriguez, Pukki score heavily at Championship level Diagne will RIP it up. He's unlucky he doesn't have six or seven already in the Prem. A full season in the PL given average luck he could hit 15 goals.
He will destroy the Championship.
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Diagne would hit 20 goals in the Championship. Absolutely no doubt at all in my mind.
If there's any chance of us keeping him next season we'd be crazy not to as long as its financial viable.
This morning you had absolutely no doubt he was going to hit twenty in the Championship next season.....
If Gayle, Rodriguez, Pukki score heavily at Championship level Diagne will RIP it up. He's unlucky he doesn't have six or seven already in the Prem. A full season in the PL given average luck he could hit 15 goals.
He will destroy the Championship.
....... and now he's going to destroy the Championship with fifteen. You're more random than Diagne's finishing, although to your credit you did set me up for a tap in ;D .
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This morning you had absolutely no doubt he was going to hit twenty in the Championship next season.....
....... and now he's going to destroy the Championship with fifteen. You're more random than Diagne's finishing, although to your credit you did set me up for a tap in ;D .
Dan he said 15 in a full Premier League season... 😬
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It should be really? We'll have got Austin and Gibbs off our books, probably (hopefully) Kanu too. I think Gibbs and Austin were on at least £50k p/w, more like £70k p/w I heard, with Kanu on about £40k p/w too.
Whilst I agree with you. Peltier HRK Austin Gibbs grosicki Ivanovic and johnstone will be sold.
If we have the budget I would rather us make sure we can keep periera if it was a straight choice...
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Whilst I agree with you. Peltier HRK Austin Gibbs grosicki Ivanovic and johnstone will be sold.
If we have the budget I would rather us make sure we can keep periera if it was a straight choice...
Mostly released rather than sold !
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I remember somebody saying that about Charlie Austin as well. ::)
If he got the minutes he would have. The proof is in his goals to minutes ratio. I'm convinced he would've scored more if given the chance. He scored 2 v Blues then barely got a look in.
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Not convinced that goals / minute is a good measure, depends upon his ability to play at a level for a longer period and also when he is deployed, there have been numerous instances of “super subs†who couldn’t extrapolate the level of performance over 90mins, I would suggest that we had / have a few of that ilk, Austin / Phillips/ HRK / Jake for starters
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As long as it won't ruin us financially and Allardyce is staying them sign him up. Not a difficult decision IMV.
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Dan he said 15 in a full Premier League season... 😬
Very true. Speed reading with dyslexia. Takes eyes off ball, trips over own feet, miss kicks in front of open goal, chance goes begging. Story of my life.......... ;D .
I have to say 15 goals in 38 games at a higher standard is a fair leap from 20 in 46 at a lower one though. Especially when he's got what in how many with some very presentable chances having gone by the wayside thus far.
For the record I wouldn't guesstimate personally. Too many variables such as injuries, yet to be sold/bought teammates, managerial appointments, opposition systems etc.
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Devils advocate then...
Lets say you could buy him for £8 million next season on £40k p/w would anyone here have him? Considering he'd be cheaper than Gibbs, Austin, HRK etc seems like a good deal.
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Devils advocate then...
Lets say you could buy him for £8 million next season on £40k p/w would anyone here have him? Considering he'd be cheaper than Gibbs, Austin, HRK etc seems like a good deal.
Yes in a heartbeat.
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Devils advocate then...
Lets say you could buy him for £8 million next season on £40k p/w would anyone here have him? Considering he'd be cheaper than Gibbs, Austin, HRK etc seems like a good deal.
Definitely not - we will not be spending 8 million on anybody and nor should we spend it on someone approaching the end of their career.
40k per week is an additional £2m outlay.
In post Covid terms, its unjustifiable given the additional work required on the squad.
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Definitely not - we will not be spending 8 million on anybody and nor should we spend it on someone approaching the end of their career. 40k per week is an additional £2m outlay. In post Covid terms, its unjustifiable given the additional work required on the squad.
I think we can get him a bit cheaper than that but regardless we are trying to build a team to get back into the premiership with hundreds of millions of pounds at stake, and have the large parachute payment. Why wouldn't we spend £8m on him? We are not Walsall or Shrewsbury town. £8m isn't even that much these days.
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I think we can get him a bit cheaper than that but regardless we are trying to build a team to get back into the premiership with hundreds of millions of pounds at stake, and have the large parachute payment. Why wouldn't we spend £8m on him? We are not Walsall or Shrewsbury town. £8m isn't even that much these days.
The club is naturally risk adverse and in a post Covid world they will not be spending £8m on a centre forward approaching 30 with next to little resale value, nor paying the wages cited in the original post. Should we fail to get promoted first time then we’re left with an expensive anchor round our necks in a division which is a sinking ship financially.
That also does not take into account the additional monies we will need to spend elsewhere to improve the squad such as central midfield, centre half and full back.
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I can't see us spending that kind of money on him - would only make sense if we got back at the first opportunity and there's no guarantee of that. I can see us relying on Grant and Robinson next season - which should be enough but not really the lone forward types - would require us to get a lot of bodies into the box.
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The club is naturally risk adverse and in a post Covid world they will not be spending £8m on a centre forward approaching 30 with next to little resale value, nor paying the wages cited in the original post. Should we fail to get promoted first time then we’re left with an expensive anchor round our necks in a division which is a sinking ship financially. That also does not take into account the additional monies we will need to spend elsewhere to improve the squad such as central midfield, centre half and full back.
£8m isn't much, and Diagne has already showed that he can score goals in the premiership, let alone the championship, I wouldn't describe that as an anchor. Allardyce had already made it clear that he will only stay if the board back him, if they try to do it on the cheap he's off. I don't blame him one bit either.
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The anchor isn't just the fee. The earlier poster also mentioned 40kpw in wages. Presumably in the Championship. So it's £8,000,000 (spread over however long) + £2,008,000 in wages (per season) for one player approaching 30 with an increased risk of injury, god knows who supplying him, whomever the manager may be and the possibility of missing out on promotion.
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£8m isn't much, and Diagne has already showed that he can score goals in the premiership, let alone the championship, I wouldn't describe that as an anchor. Allardyce had already made it clear that he will only stay if the board back him, if they try to do it on the cheap he's off. I don't blame him one bit either.
There is better value out there to find a championship goal scorer.
The fee and the wages would be better spent elsewhere.
I’m hoping post covid that the days of big fees and wages are a thing of the past for clubs like us. I think there will be a massive pool of players available to us from the prem that clubs will try to offload and I think players will have to accept that big wages aren’t going to be on offer anymore.
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Would take him without a moments hesitation
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Did we not have an agreement that if we wanted to buy it was £8m in the Prem and £4.5m in the championship. I might be totally wrong so apologies if I am
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I hope we don’t sign him. He’s approaching 30 and can’t see him improving. He’d be another without any resale value. If we want to go down that route then we may as well get Gayle back on a free.
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He's not as clinical at converting chances as Gayle, but he poses more danger than Grant or Zohore, because he has good positional sense. Whether we should offer him a new deal, is a bit like what we should do with Allardyce. Only if we can't get anyone better.
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Did we not have an agreement that if we wanted to buy it was £8m in the Prem and £4.5m in the championship. I might be totally wrong so apologies if I am
Recent responses have been in answer to a hypothetical scenario of an £8,000,000 transfer fee in conjunction with £40,000 pw wages. No need to apologise, I don't always read each post on every thread either. In truth I'm reading less of everything on a more frequent basis for a variety of reasons.
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Devils advocate then...
Lets say you could buy him for £8 million next season on £40k p/w would anyone here have him? Considering he'd be cheaper than Gibbs, Austin, HRK etc seems like a good deal.
No thanks. We can get better, for less.
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Mbaye Diagne ain’t worth £8k never mind £8m.
I would give him ten-bob fer his buz fare to Elmdon Airport for his flight back ‘ome.
Nah, waste of space for me.
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Yeah I though we had a fee agreed around 4 million for him if we were in the championship. Unsure as to who we think we could get better for that price, even if you look at the 8 million figure.
I feel he's been unlucky not to have another 2 or 3 goals this season, I can't see this guy not getting 15 goals or more in the championship next year...
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I'm less impressed the more I see of him I would certainly worry about his ability to be combative against the typical Chumps CH, but then again he will pull defences around and can hold the ball up.
I suspect we will not risk it to be honest, we dont do risk.
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If we were going to throw £8m at a striker this summer I'd be heading down to Peterborough to offer it up for Jonson Clarke-Harris.
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If we were going to throw £8m at a striker this summer I'd be heading down to Peterborough to offer it up for Jonson Clarke-Harris.
Karlan Grant would get as many goals as him in League one. You would rather have him than Diagne who can score goals in the top leagues in European football?
There are leagues and there are big differences between them.
Anyway we have no interest in Clarke-Harris so any rumour is a non starter.
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If we were going to throw £8m at a striker this summer I'd be heading down to Peterborough to offer it up for Jonson Clarke-Harris.
If he was 2-3 years younger I would agree. A lot of his goals are quite nice, neat finishes. Its the strikers in league one who rack up numbers through scrappy, mishits, scrambles or brute force that you need to avoid because those type of opportunities get fewer and fewer as you go up the divisions.
I think at 27 this summer though, £8m is way too much.
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I had no idea he was 27, in that case I'd not be offering them £8m.
Karlan Grant would get as many goals as him in League one. You would rather have him than Diagne who can score goals in the top leagues in European football?
There are leagues and there are big differences between them.
Anyway we have no interest in Clarke-Harris so any rumour is a non starter.
I like Diagne, I just wouldn't spend that cash on him. If he'd come on loan again we should snap their hand off.
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I had no idea he was 27, in that case I'd not be offering them £8m.
I like Diagne, I just wouldn't spend that cash on him. If he'd come on loan again we should snap their hand off.
Point taken.
As much as we'll be well off compared to most in the Championship we still have to spend sensibly.
Personally I'd pay the 8 million for Diagne if he agreed to wages no North of 25k per week.
If we cant do that sort of deal then move on.
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Did we not have an agreement that if we wanted to buy it was £8m in the Prem and £4.5m in the championship. I might be totally wrong so apologies if I am
Not that was accurate, as reported, which makes the decision a no brainer. If we sign Diagne it is not just to help get us promoted, but to lead the line in the premiership when we are back. It would be stupid not to try to get the deal done.
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Not that was accurate, as reported, which makes the decision a no brainer. If we sign Diagne it is not just to help get us promoted, but to lead the line in the premiership when we are back. It would be stupid not to try to get the deal done.
I agree. We are not going to get much else for that money.
No brainer.
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I agree. We are not going to get much else for that money.
No brainer.
You can't even get a Zohore for that can you?
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Not exactly the natural goal scorer we need when you look at his stats. Those who think he would tear up the Championship are living in dreamland. £8m plus £40k per week - you ‘avin a laf!
DIAGNE:
14 games
3 goals
10 shots on target
13% conversion rate
379 mins per goal
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Not exactly the natural goal scorer we need when you look at his stats. Those who think he would tear up the Championship are living in dreamland. £8m plus £40k per week - you ‘avin a laf!
DIAGNE:
14 games
3 goals
10 shots on target
13% conversion rate
379 mins per goal
Don’t forget those two assists.
His record would be even greater had he known the offside rule.
For what we’ve paid he’s been a good signing for us and we would be in a much better position had we had him from the summer.
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Wish we had signed him and not Grant in the summer. Pray we sign him this summer, far better than anything else we could attract in the championship, much like Allardyce
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Not exactly the natural goal scorer we need
141 goals in 215 games, he's every inch a natural goalscorer.
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141 goals in 215 games, he's every inch a natural goalscorer.
We must have been watching different players 82.
I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.
Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.
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We must have been watching different players 82.
I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.
Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.
Good job we won't be anywhere near the Premier League next season then isn't it? ;D
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We must have been watching different players 82.
I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.
Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.
Obviously is good enough for the Premier league and has been a big factor in our improvement post January
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We must have been watching different players 82.
I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.
Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.
But the question relates to next season, when clearly we won’t be premier league.
I wonder how many are saying no because of his age and potential injuries, but wanted us to sign Gayle ?
A front 3 of grant Robinson and this guy would absolutely murder the Championship.....the crucial bit will be the addition of one half decent destroyer at dcm.
I hope we do sign him.
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It'd be a no brainer for me for around 5 million. Good season in the championship and I think he has enough of a pedigree across europe for us to at least get that money back
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Surprising that some bulk at the transfer fees being quoted for Mbaye . Given that the club has shelled out big time on Zohore and Grant with precious little return , IMHO Mbaye is streets ahead as an all round striker .
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Not interested personally due to his age, his nomadic career, poor finishing and lack of mobility. I think the figures quoted for us are too rich also. He has done ok for us, he's a classic "option from the bench striker" for me as opposed to someone I'd want leading the line all season.
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I'm surprised more people don't want him, it's interesting to see the differing opinions. For what it's worth, Southampton and Brighton are both after him, so there's that!
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Don’t forget those two assists.
His record would be even greater had he known the offside rule.
For what we’ve paid he’s been a good signing for us and we would be in a much better position had we had him from the summer.
Add the one against Saints, which was simply a refereeing error, and he's on par with the likes of Watkins, Ings and Lacazette.
Can't believe how anyone thinks he's not worth £4.5m. You'd pay that for some Tom Noddy from Derby or Blues!
No VAR and the fact that not many teams will dare play a high line against us next season mean he won't have to worry about offside so much either ;)
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He's every bit a starting PL striker. The mind boggles at some of these posts tbh. Especially given the dross we've had up front in recent years.
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Add the one against Saints, which was simply a refereeing error, and he's on par with the likes of Watkins, Ings and Lacazette.
Can't believe how anyone thinks he's not worth £4.5m. You'd pay that for some Tom Noddy from Derby or Blues!
No VAR and the fact that not many teams will dare play a high line against us next season mean he won't have to worry about offside so much either ;)
If we can make it happen this would be one of the first bits of business I would do. one of his biggest assets is the way he allows others to play and brings in to play some of our other attacking players.
Imagine a forward of his ilk, (assuming MP leaves) then you still have a 3 of Grant(left which is actually his position) Robinson central (No10 role) and Grady on the right this gives us a good start at championship level. Obviously we need two proper tough midfielders to replace Okay & AMN to allow that system to work but i feel that if we have Big Sam he will look to build on this system
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If we can make it happen this would be one of the first bits of business I would do. one of his biggest assets is the way he allows others to play and brings in to play some of our other attacking players.
Imagine a forward of his ilk, (assuming MP leaves) then you still have a 3 of Grant(left which is actually his position) Robinson central (No10 role) and Grady on the right this gives us a good start at championship level. Obviously we need two proper tough midfielders to replace Okay & AMN to allow that system to work but i feel that if we have Big Sam he will look to build on this system
Okay will stay! Feel it in my bones!
AMN is easier to replace so not that bothered, but the chances of us getting better than Diagne, for that money, is virtually zero so just get it done.
The other thing to remember is, if we can keep one or both of them, there's less pressure to sell Pereira. He might even want to stay.
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I think it's difficult to make a call one way or the other until we know for definite what the transfer fee and wages are. Not press rumours or football forum speculation of what the amounts are. Actual figures. Ability wise it's a yes from me in the meantime.
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We must have been watching different players 82.
I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.
Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.
He is more often than not in the right position to make an attempt on goal. An inherent ability not just something that can be taught in training.
He had one air shot.
He has missed or had saved about 3 of what might be termed easy chances. at least one of which he made entirely by his own skills. Other chances were often a very good save or a good bit of work by a defender. Many were simply the types of chances missed by all strikers at times.
Offsides were nearly all marginal and without var reviewing a number of times may well not have been given. At least one of these was wrongly given.
Add to this his assists, his goals scored, the part he part played in the build up to other goals and his general link up play all of which are a class above anything we have had for many a year
You must have just been watching the tv replays of the misses mate. Diagne is the best forward of this type we have had since Rondon, for the monies quoted he is a bargain, but will he sign fo us?
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You must have just been watching the tv replays of the misses mate. Diagne is the best forward of this type we have had since Rondon, for the monies quoted he is a bargain, but will he sign fo us?
A class above Gayle, JRod or Odemwinge? I think not!
I’ve watched every game for the whole 90 plus mins and watched in despair when Diagne missed sitters, air shot or shot straight at the keeper and constantly offside.
Don’t get what people see in him.
I just hope we don’t waste the money quoted for him or he doesn’t want to sign for us.
Taxi or bus fare for Diagne I say!
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Odemwingie left 7 years ago.
Diagne is at least on a par with the other two you've mentioned. Only Rondon really compares quality wise (along with 12 months from Saido) since PO and Lukaku...
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Diagne is probably a decent option in the Championship. However £8m and a big wage absolutely won't be remotely like good value nor is there a market for a 31 year old Diagne (by now a Championship striker) that will stretch to £5m. The market is polarising the elite bubble carries on it's own sweet way and anything that is not got a direct line to that bubble will be a no fee zone.
Diagne is a lot closer to being in in the "rest" rather than the elite.
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Diagne is probably a decent option in the Championship. However £8m and a big wage absolutely won't be remotely like good value nor is there a market for a 31 year old Diagne (by now a Championship striker) that will stretch to £5m. The market is polarising the elite bubble carries on it's own sweet way and anything that is not got a direct line to that bubble will be a no fee zone.
Diagne is a lot closer to being in in the "rest" rather than the elite.
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So are we Sir! Unfortunately So are we!
All you say is true, but where will we find cheaper and/or better option for next season? If they are not a lot better then they have to be a hell of a lot cheaper.
Hopefully over time we do find another younger Odemwingie or Gayle, of our own who will stay long enough to get us goals in the greed league for a season or two before moving on. I just do not see any prospect of this happening at the moment nor at any time in the short to medium term.
As I believe has been mentioned before, his true value depends on the actual monies paid out and how any deal is structured. If we do manage to get a couple of good seasons out of him, which might well be possible, and this gives us the time to develop or find a better option then the Diagne costs could be vectored in to any resale value of the better option at a later date. But I will not be straying too far from my oxygen supply waiting for this scenario to play out.
However it's all a bit pie in the sky, and I doubt very much that he will be playing for us next season anyway.
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A class above Gayle, JRod or Odemwinge? I think not!
I’ve watched every game for the whole 90 plus mins and watched in despair when Diagne missed sitters, air shot or shot straight at the keeper and constantly offside.
Don’t get what people see in him.
I just hope we don’t waste the money quoted for him or he doesn’t want to sign for us.
Taxi or bus fare for Diagne I say!
None of these played the same role as Diagne. The played in a different team set up and usually had more options around them.
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Where have so many people seen that we have an option should we go down?
It was only a few days ago SA said he can't see Diagne returning in the championship and that's not the first time he has said that. I don't believe for one moment there is a clause on him if we go down. Why would Galatasary agree to selling their striker for nearly half the price to a club in fear of relegation especially when at the time of signing we were in the relation zone and things didnt look pretty even then. It makes no sense.
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Bit like a second marriage maybe - 'a triumph of hope over experience'
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He reminds me of a more technically gifted Fortuné. Some of the passes he's seen and played are very good. To be honest I think his vision and adding is quite underrated. He has his way of playing in the area - standing offside and then as the ball is played just moving back... it's not worked too well against some of the more clever defenders in the league (I think Sanchez of Tottenham just pushed him back offside).
He's the type of player we should have been going for last summer, and the type of player I thought Bilic would have wanted to spearhead a 4-2-3-1.
https://fbref.com/en/players/dda3969e/Mbaye-Diagne
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He reminds me of a more technically gifted Fortuné. Some of the passes he's seen and played are very good. To be honest I think his vision and adding is quite underrated. He has his way of playing in the area - standing offside and then as the ball is played just moving back... it's not worked too well against some of the more clever defenders in the league (I think Sanchez of Tottenham just pushed him back offside).
He's the type of player we should have been going for last summer, and the type of player I thought Bilic would have wanted to spearhead a 4-2-3-1.
https://fbref.com/en/players/dda3969e/Mbaye-Diagne
We were interested in him last summer.
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We were interested in him last summer.
I've seen this mentioned a few times, where has it come from?
Also begs the question why wasn't it mentioned at the time? I can remember a few names we were linked with/interested in but can't remember any mention of Diagne...or Yokuslu for that matter.
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I've seen this mentioned a few times, where has it come from?
Also begs the question why wasn't it mentioned at the time? I can remember a few names we were linked with/interested in but can't remember any mention of Diagne...or Yokuslu for that matter.
Commentary team said it the other night. I don't believe it for a minute.
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Commentary team said it the other night. I don't believe it for a minute.
When we signed him in January it was reported that we had agreed a permeant fee structure of £6m on survival or £4m on relegation. https://twitter.com/WBAReport/status/1355826925919465474?s=20 and it is on fotospor.com - nothing to say any of this is true but that was what was put out there back in January when he first came in. It would make sense on the basis their owner needs money in and wanted a guaranteed permanent deal done this summer so took the deal on the basis we would be signing him even if he flopped. Very similar to what we did with Pereira.
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When we signed him in January it was reported that we had agreed a permeant fee structure of £6m on survival or £4m on relegation. https://twitter.com/WBAReport/status/1355826925919465474?s=20 and it is on fotospor.com - nothing to say any of this is true but that was what was put out there back in January when he first came in. It would make sense on the basis their owner needs money in and wanted a guaranteed permanent deal done this summer so took the deal on the basis we would be signing him even if he flopped. Very similar to what we did with Pereira.
Jacko was answering my question about where the comments that we were interested in Diagne in the Summer had come from, not how much we would pay for him.
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Commentary team said it the other night. I don't believe it for a minute.
Why would they lie about that?
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I've seen this mentioned a few times, where has it come from?
Also begs the question why wasn't it mentioned at the time? I can remember a few names we were linked with/interested in but can't remember any mention of Diagne...or Yokuslu for that matter.
Yeah, the commentary team mentioned it during the game. To be honest, I take any media rumours pre-signing with a grain of salt - I think they basically take player X and match him up with a suitable set of clubs. No reason to think they'd make this up - and the team will have spoken to players and staff around the club. All it takes is "Yeah, there were talks in the summer" in a conversation.
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Why would they lie about that?
Spin out of the club. No suggestion from me the commentators didn't repeat it in good faith.
If it is true it paints the summer window in an even worse light than it's already perceived.
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Commentary team said it the other night. I don't believe it for a minute.
I'd misheard and thought they said they were targets for this summer but they made the approach earlier than planned in January - more plausible to me.
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Spin out of the club. No suggestion from me the commentators didn't repeat it in good faith.
If it is true it paints the summer window in an even worse light than it's already perceived.
So the club's lying to the commentators to make the club look bad? Maybe there's all sorts of reasons why we didn't sign them in the summer, such as clubs not willing to agree a move, asking for too much, players waiting on other deals. Why assume the most negative view?
Occam's Razor points to it more likely being the truth than weird lies put out by the club.
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So the club's lying to the commentators to make the club look bad? Maybe there's all sorts of reasons why we didn't sign them in the summer, such as clubs not willing to agree a move, asking for too much, players waiting on other deals. Why assume the most negative view?
Occam's Razor points to it more likely being the truth than weird lies put out by the club.
I have to say it smelt like Dowling spin for me trying to cover his part in the pathetic Summer window , all guess work until proven though .
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The commentator may also have been burbling for the sake of burbling. It's been known to happen from time to time.........
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We were interested in him last summer.
There is not one credible link from either a trash site or local journo to suggest we were courting him in the summer.
It also goes against the previous history of recruitment at this club.
Had we really been interested in him in the summer but decided that the alternative of Grant at nigh on 15m was the better option then Dowling should be sacked for gross incompetence
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I don’t doubt it personally. Club refused to stump up the necessary cash, only to later do so out of desperation. Sounds very Albion like to me.
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There is not one credible link from either a trash site or local journo to suggest we were courting him in the summer.
It also goes against the previous history of recruitment at this club.
Had we really been interested in him in the summer but decided that the alternative of Grant at nigh on 15m was the better option then Dowling should be sacked for gross incompetence
I don't understand why the commentators aren't a credible link? They'll have been around the club and talking to the players/staff all season. Why would they just make random lies up while on air? I'm not sure why it would be against our previous recruitment either, to enquire after players in the summer and go back in January?
Like I said, we've no idea what went on in the summer, maybe Bilic said no, maybe Dowling preferred other options, maybe their clubs wanted expensive permanent deals, maybe we ran out of time, could be loads of reasons.
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I don't understand why the commentators aren't a credible link? They'll have been around the club and talking to the players/staff all season. Why would they just make random lies up while on air? I'm not sure why it would be against our previous recruitment either, to enquire after players in the summer and go back in January?
Like I said, we've no idea what went on in the summer, maybe Bilic said no, maybe Dowling preferred other options, maybe their clubs wanted expensive permanent deals, maybe we ran out of time, could be loads of reasons.
We’re taking the words of some nauseating Peter Drury wannabe commentator as gospel when there has not been one plausible link to Diange from those around the club.
You’re trying to spin my previous recruitment line and you know damn well what I am referring to. All of our recruitment under Luke Dowling has been entirely domestic based aside from the Bilic recommendations of Pereira and Krovinovic. Given our domestic obsession I see it as unlikely that we were courting players from abroad in the summer.
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I don't understand why the commentators aren't a credible link? They'll have been around the club and talking to the players/staff all season. Why would they just make random lies up while on air? I'm not sure why it would be against our previous recruitment either, to enquire after players in the summer and go back in January?
Like I said, we've no idea what went on in the summer, maybe Bilic said no, maybe Dowling preferred other options, maybe their clubs wanted expensive permanent deals, maybe we ran out of time, could be loads of reasons.
How are a couple of random commentators going to have been around the club and players all season given Covid' restrictions? I don't mean to burst your bubble but they won't have been in Albion's.
Commentators come out with random rollocks all the time. They burble randomly to fill air time. It's quite literally part of their job description. I could be wrong but I can't help but think you're looking for something that isn't there.
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Sky Sports are also the very worst of sources IMO. They know nothing
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According to twitter account Ajansspor, which has over 156K followers, this is happening...
"The parties are at the table regarding the Mbaye Diagne issue, which Galatasaray fans are waiting for news about its sale.
West Bromwich made a net offer of 5 million euros. Galatasaray's expectation is 7 million euros."
This is a translated tweet which is why it's worded a little strange!
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I'd be very happy if we signed Diagne permanently. I think he would be prolific in the Championship and showed me to.enough to believe he can be successful in the Prem
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Not a player who is going to run himself into the ground pressing the ball. Thought he flattered to deceive a lot of the time, so I'd rather we look elsewhere
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We are offering what works out to around 4m quid. Think he would do well in the EFL but on big wages and will he fit the system although none of us know what that actually will be yet.
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Still not sure what to make of the guy. Sometimes he flatters to deceive other times he looks like he could rip teams apart. At £4m a better buy than Zohore though. Not fussed either way tbh.
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Would he do a decent job and score at least 13-15 goals or more in the Championship? Probably.
But, he's not far off 30 so there would be little to no re-sale value and I wasn't really blown away with his performances last season. He seemed to get himself offside a lot too.
In conclusion, if we could get him relatively cheaply and not on big wages, I'd probably say he was worth getting in. If not, I'd rather we actually do a bit of looking around and see what other options are available.
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I haven't got the impression that Diagne can play as a target man as such, and I believe Valerien likes his central forward to be able to hold the ball up and be good in the air, so I'd be surprised if we try to sign Diagne. I'm not sure that intense high pressing will suit Diagne either. He'd still be a better bet than Zohore though!
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I thought Diagne was okay last season, should have scored more than he did but at least he got into positions to miss. He struggled with staying onside too. He is definitely better than Zohore though.
Ismael has said how he likes to play so I think it's a safe bet that we will play in the same way as Barnsley but just with better players.
Not sure Diagne fits that style though.
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If we are questioning some of the existing squad fitting in with Ismael tactics then we have to question of going out to hire someone who on the face of it doesn't.
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Personally feel like it would be a hell of a coup to bring in a player of that calibre in the Championship. He was a handful in the Premier League, against lesser defenders I feel he would score for fun if we played to his strengths and the lack of VAR will help him with the tight offside calls he had against him last season.
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Personally feel like it would be a hell of a coup to bring in a player of that calibre in the Championship. He was a handful in the Premier League, against lesser defenders I feel he would score for fun if we played to his strengths and the lack of VAR will help him with the tight offside calls he had against him last season.
The voice of reason. Totally agree :o
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If we are questioning some of the existing squad fitting in with Ismael tactics then we have to question of going out to hire someone who on the face of it doesn't.
I thnk that's the kind of attitude that gets you stuck in a rut and perpetuates bringing in old dinosaur managers. To me, appointing in a manager to suit a squad that has failed badly for some time doesn't make sense either. We're overdue a proper shake-up and I welcome it with open arms.
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Diagne is by no means the worst striker we've had in recent years, but I'd like to see if we could do better. Maybe VI has some good tips from the continent who we could get for a similar fee. We can probably only afford to bring in one striker, so he has to be the best we can find.
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At Championship level, he would be an excellent signing provided the system works for him. Kanu out and Diagne in would be a no brainer for me, and with Diangana/Robinson etc around him it could be decent.
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Provided VI has given his seal of approval, I see no downside to this whatsoever.
More than held his own in the prem and his goals per game ratio, in other leagues, suggests he’ll do well in the. Champ.
Noice
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I thought Diagne was okay last season.......
Can only imagine you watched them play wearing welding goggles as they clearly look nothing like each other. I know we were bad at times but welding goggle adornment seems a tad excessive. Those drives down the motorway and back up to Hull must be packed with incident. 'Look, no hands' ;D ;) .
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He would absolutely rip the Championship up, what a signing this would be for a championship side. Not sure what some people are expecting. If nothing else it shows the owners are willing to invest seriously.
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He would absolutely rip the Championship up, what a signing this would be for a championship side. Not sure what some people are expecting. If nothing else it shows the owners are willing to invest seriously.
Is there any truth in it then mate ? , I put it diwn as lazy click bait sites when I first saw it .
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He's got the talent. Do age, wage and the pressing style go against him? Possibly. Valerian himself has stated it's not all about having the best players so much as the right players (for his system).
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He's got the talent. Do age, wage and the pressing style go against him? Possibly. Valerian himself has stated it's not all about having the best players so much as the right players (for his system).
With no DoF it would be beyond barmy to be buying players without VIs clearance. If it’s true then he must think he fits and that’ll do me.
In Ҡwe trust has probably never been more apt
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It’s coming from a fairly reliable Turkish source that we’ve bid £4million. Would be some signing in the championship
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Is this a recycled rumour based on our agreed fee should we stay up last season or a fresh link with no ties to our previously documented interests?
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Is this a recycled rumour based on our agreed fee should we stay up last season or a fresh link with no ties to our previously documented interests?
Don't know. It's just sent out by the twitter account mentioned but in all honesty I suppose it could just be recycled information.
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He would absolutely rip the Championship up, what a signing this would be for a championship side. Not sure what some people are expecting. If nothing else it shows the owners are willing to invest seriously.
Its the only move the owners have unless they are happy to say goodbye to £120-160m
Get the club back in the Prem, maybe even survive a season and the owners can get their money back. No other move makes sense really.
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I liked him, a character and a good player
If Val says yes then he’ll tear it up 20 goals
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Is there any truth in it then mate ? , I put it diwn as lazy click bait sites when I first saw it .
The club are on a big charm offensive at the moment and are doing everything they can to keep everyone happy, they see resigning the loan players as a very positive statement from them. They are definitely after Diagne and Yosulu but the decision will be with the players themselves at the end of the day.
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If we can keep the fee below £5m and VI is fully on board then I'd take him. Really want us to avoid players approaching 30 but I saw enough in those last 6 months to suggest he'd be better than 95% of the strikers in the Championship. An improvement on HRK, Austin and Zohore from last time we were in this league.
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Not keen myself. Whilst I agree that he’d be decent in the Champ I don’t think he’s clinical enough for the Top flight if we do get back there. I’d rather we were looking for someone much younger. He really wouldn’t suit a high press either IMO.
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I had really hoped we moved past the quick fix okay for a season type signing but apparently not.
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Hardly ever saw him win a heading duel against Prem centre backs. Didn't time his jumps or his onside decisions. Doesn't suit high energetic pressing. Illogical to be swooning over him.
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He would absolutely rip the Championship up, what a signing this would be for a championship side. Not sure what some people are expecting. If nothing else it shows the owners are willing to invest seriously.
I worry more about the joined up thinking, or lack of that the signing displays. We have looked a bit haphazard for a long time now but the hire of Ismael did hint at a future where we might become a bit more slick and internally symbiotic.
While I liked Diagne and agree he would probably take the championship by storm in the right system, Ismael’s system does seem to require younger players who can run all day. Diagne turns 30 in a couple of months time and you have to ask if he really fits that style.
I’m not dead set against the signing because if he does have the fitness to gel in the system then his career suggests he will get 20 goals, but it’s a big ask.
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I worry more about the joined up thinking, or lack of that the signing displays. We have looked a bit haphazard for a long time now but the hire of Ismael did hint at a future where we might become a bit more slick and internally symbiotic.
While I liked Diagne and agree he would probably take the championship by storm in the right system, Ismael’s system does seem to require younger players who can run all day. Diagne turns 30 in a couple of months time and you have to ask if he really fits that style.
I’m not dead set against the signing because if he does have the fitness to gel in the system then his career suggests he will get 20 goals, but it’s a big ask.
I agree that in general players need to fit the system but if you have a couple of players that may not be perfect for the system but their ability and performance is so much higher than others then I think this is very profitable for the team as a whole. Yes five or above individuals that dont fit the system is very damaging but a couple is fine with me.
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It’s a no brainer for me , unlucky not to have at least doubled his goal tally for us last season . In the Championship he would be immense . I’d back him to be our leading scorer now out of the current squad .
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This isn't a thing. It's not happening.
A Twitter person made it up to demonstrate for an argument how rumours can spread if you not the right thing.
Apparently this is just a demo of what people will believe.
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Any of you who follow all things outside these shores know what his current situation is? Is he still at Galatasaray or have they loaned him out again?
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Any of you who follow all things outside these shores know what his current situation is? Is he still at Galatasaray or have they loaned him out again?
Still at Galatasaray. He scored a decent volley for the in their last game which surprisingly wasn't offside.
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Can't see Diagne being part of a pressing front 3. Not the quickest is he?
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Can't see Diagne being part of a pressing front 3. Not the quickest is he?
Agreed. It’s a no from me. Get a younger striker in, one that is hungry to develop as the team does under VI.
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Scored again tonight for Galatasary vs St Johnstone
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Mbaye Diagne is about as useful as a tin of striped paint.
Hope upon hope that some misguided idiot in recruitment doesn’t fancy him for a loan striker!
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Can he play in goal?
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Released by Galatasaray. Bring him back?
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Released by Galatasaray. Bring him back?
Long term injury hasn’t he?
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He's out for a while more yet I believe.
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He ay comin'.
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I thought he contributed well during his time here and looked the part for us in the Premiership. In the Championship I’ve no doubt he would out perform many of our forwards .