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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Andi Weimann signs on loan official
« on: January 16, 2024, 05:04:50 PM »
Andi ? really ??

Isn't his name Andreas?

Andreas ist one of a few names, at least here in Austria, where more often than not the diminuitive is used in all but the most formal settings. Anton, Dietmar and Johann are a few more that I can think of off the top my my head.

We don't hear much of a Matthew Philips running down our wing either do we? 😛

Anyway, not the most exciting signing but let's hope he can make some positive contribution until the end of the season.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: December 22, 2023, 06:15:30 PM »
So where are people going for a drink before the game? Any places to avoid as away fans or is it fairly easy going up there?

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Middlesbrough Away Dec. 23
« on: November 28, 2023, 07:14:40 PM »
Hmm thanks for the offer, but if you reckon I'll be alright, I'll wait my turn. I was thinking myself that the combination of a large away allocation (I would assume), the timing and distance would work in my favour. Just needed a bit of reassurance  ;D
I hope it's a decent turn out though.

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Albion Matchday Forum / 23 Dec 2023 Middlesbrough 1 Albion 0
« on: November 22, 2023, 10:30:43 PM »
Sorry mods for posting this here since it's not in the Matchday section yet.

What do people reckon, will this sell out soon or will there be a decent chance of picking up a couple of tickets in the general members sale? I'm planning to fly over directly to Manchester, spend a couple of nights there and then go up to this before heading down to the family for Christmas.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: January 17, 2023, 08:12:54 PM »
Is this being shown on any international channels at all? Can't even get it on WBA TV abroad.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Ticket Info & Requests
« on: December 26, 2022, 11:57:26 AM »
Sorted it, they'll reprint them there! Now let's hope the weather holds and we take home the points  :D

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Ticket Info & Requests
« on: December 25, 2022, 05:12:46 PM »
Cheers mate, looks like I missed the deadline as I was travelling... Let's hope there's someone at Bristol who can still print them.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Ticket Info & Requests
« on: December 25, 2022, 12:34:14 PM »
Has anyone else not got their tickets in the post for this one? I'm over for a couple of weeks and managed to order some when they went on general sale but they haven't showed yet. I'll try calling our and their ticket offices tomorrow morning to see if anything can be done, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anyone been in a similar situation before? It's annoying that collection at the ground wasn't an option when ordering.

Edit: oh and merry Christmas everyone!  ;D

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager 2022 Feb
« on: February 02, 2022, 05:41:19 PM »
Can't believe so many people would welcome Bruce  :o If it is him I can't see this lot getting much better, we'll scrape a play off place at best and he'll be gone again in the summer with us back to square one. Come to think of it I'd predict the same with many of the other names thrown around... And I'm usually optimistic.

I just hope the stadiums around here open up again soon, so I'll be less tempted to tune into the Albion every week. (Just for the record, if I'd still be living over there, I'd be going every week regardless of who's on charge and take my punishment  :D).

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General Football & Sports / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: January 16, 2022, 11:44:24 AM »
You really can’t compare a prem season to a champ though surely? Especially a championship this weak?

I mean playing bloody Barnsley isn’t Man City.
That's why I'm comparing the current season to the last season in the championship. 🤔

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General Football & Sports / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: January 16, 2022, 10:46:24 AM »
Haven't posted much this season but I thought I'd chime in for a change. I've seen some people say most players have gone backwards under VI, but the stats don't back that up. Here are a few comparisons to our last promotion season and in the case of Grant to his last season in the Championship with Huddersfield:

Callum Robinson:
SeasonApps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Rating
2021/202218(6)1511 5 6 1 - 2.6 64.4 6.73
2019/202010(6)855 3 2 1 - 2.5 75.1 6.80

Darnell Furlong:
SeasonApps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Rating
2021/202223(1)2044 - 2 3 1 1.4 53.2 6.90
2019/202022(9)2239 2 1 5 - 0.8 69.6 6.81

Matt Phillips
SeasonApps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Rating
2021/202213(7)1140 3 2 - - 1.6 65.3 6.61
2019/202030(9)2431 7 6 5 - 1.6 77.9 6.80

Karlan Grant
SeasonApps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% Rating
2021/202224(1)1975 9 4 2 - 2.4 70.5 6.93
2019/202042(1)3704 19 4 3 - 2.6 74 6.90

All pretty much par for the course at the moment, no major regressions and Grant looks on course to equal his impressive season with Huddersfield. Passing accuracy has gone down, that's definitely down to being more direct and in the case of Furlong hitting god awful crosses.

All I see is the same average players they have always been with us, only last time they had Pereira (and an on form Sawyers for half a season) to drag them up. Pereira even made HRK look good at times for christ sake. Hopefully Dike can be that guy to lift us over the coming weeks, he certainly looks promising. I also think that Robinson looked a lot better after Dike came on, after being largely rubbish up until then, hopefully him and Grant can up their game with proper focal point in attack.

Am I 100% happy with VI? No. Would I like him to try a 4-3-3? Definitely. Do I want him to drop Livermore for someone better? Yes (I haven't posted his stats here as they are too depressing), but I don't think we have much better at the moment. I don't believe for a minute that sacking the manager would do any good at this early stage. We are in a rebuild and that takes time, sacking the manager just puts us back to square one with little hope (imo) of improving much in the short term either.

I was quite exited by the first few games with the high intensity, forcing opponents into errors. If I have to wait for a few more months to get a team that can consistently perform that way then I am willing to wait. I actually also don't believe that we have been boring or completely rubbish for most of the season either really, but that is another debate and this post is already getting much too long as it is...  :D

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: October 26, 2021, 05:29:07 PM »
Didn't Ismael say something along the lines that 4-3-3 is his second favoured formation after 3-4-3 in one of his first interviews? I don't remember his LASK side playing anything other than the latter though.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fans behaviour at away games
« on: October 04, 2021, 12:08:09 PM »
Its not just away games, the smethwick end has changed this season, the smell of weed is rife during the match, beer is now openly drank in the stand

Funny how things are perceived differently in different places. I read up to here and thought to myself: yeah that's normal at every home game in the "Kurve" at Rapid and nobody feels threatened. But then again alcohol is allowed in the stands, as is smoking in general. (Not weed but it's sort of decriminalised.)

But yeah hard drugs are not cool and those wannabe social media hooligans would get a wack round the earhole. Phones out generally frowned upon during the game.

I have to agree with what others have said with it being a wider societal problem, with hyper individualisation and consumerism and kids being bombarded from all directions with adverts and social media stuff. I think supporting your local football club could be one of the last few real collective experiences with a sense of togetherness. Shame football is also getting more and more and more commercialised with fans reduced to consumers.

I think the overall tendencies are the same Austria, but Britain is definitely a lot further down the road in a lot of respects.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fans behaviour at away games
« on: October 02, 2021, 10:49:02 PM »
Having experienced my fair share of both British and European support I have to say I love pyrotechnics and for me they are part of football. BUT they have to be used responsibly. We have organised fan clubs that usually organise those kinds of things and the area where they will be used is generally know, certainly nothing set off in the middle of unsuspecting families and other bystanders. Random kids/drunks setting things off would certainly not be tolerated.

As for abusing  kiosk staff I've never understood that. I've experienced it sometimes in Austria, generally awaybat rival clubs, but thankfully it seems to have declined. For most of those kids it's just a job, they're not the embodiment of Red Bull or Sheikh so and so.


There are definite signs of the bad old days returning , not just those mentioned above but a couple of incidents in Europe at Leicester and West Ham.

I was there Thursday and some of them were absolute thugs. Have to say I didn't get any trouble on the way to the ground and back, but those standing either side of the away sector didn't even look like they were interested watching the game or supporting their team. They were constantly focused on us, taunting and chucking stuff. We focused on supporting our team but of course if we've got cups and bottles raining down on us we'll send them back. I don't mind a bit of banter between home and away fans, don't even really mind a bit of plastic being thrown, but some of those "supporters" were ridiculous.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ticket sales dates and loyalty points
« on: September 14, 2021, 06:27:35 PM »
Anyone know how likely I am to get two tickets for Stoke on general sale? Have away games so far sold out?

I'll probably be over to follow Rapid away at West Ham in the Europa League and thought I might as well make a long weekend of it in the black country to drink some beer and meet mates (in that order  ;D).

The icing on the cake would be to see the Albion again in the flesh, last time I think was actually also Stoke away under Big Dave.

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Is the sound way ahead of the picture for everyone or just me?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 19, 2021, 09:28:08 PM »
Vienna
As someone who is familar with the Austrian football scene, I presume you are not saying he was a better manager than Oliver Glasner? If you are, that's a big statement, because as you know, Glasner has just got Wolfsburg to third in the German Bundesliga and into the Champions League. (In fact he was one of those I had down, somewhat optimistically, for the WBA job).
Also, in contrast, when Ismael was in charge at Wolfsburg 2016-17,  they struggled,  and he only lasted 4 months, although Wolfsburg seem to get through managers faster than most.

Not at all, sorry if it came across like that. Glasner is the one who revived the club, brought them back to the top flight and into the Europa qualifiers. He put in place the 3-4-3 with the high press. Ismael built on that with some minor tweaks and pushed on a bit, until they imploded after the Corona break. But LASK fans certainly prefer Ismael to Thalhammer who replaced him.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 18, 2021, 06:34:30 PM »
Just to put Ismael's Europa League achievements with LASK in perspective, their stadium capacity is just 6000, so I would imagine that we he accomplished there was despite having very meagre resources. LASK had to play their European matches in a different stadium (capacity 14000)!

It's actually a bit more complicated that that. 😁 For a few years now they've been playing in Pasching (a suburb of Linz) because  they didn't receive a licence from the Bundesliga for their stadium. The one is Pasching is smaller but more modern, in that it's not falling apart. In the Europa League they played back at their stadium, which I still don't understand, as I thought UEFA had strict rules regarding those too.

Anyway while Ismael can't be credited for bringing LASK back from the wilderness, he certainly pushed on with them in his season there.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 18, 2021, 12:22:12 PM »
Alright, now that Ismael is looking more likely I had a little dig around LASK forums to see what they think of his time with them. Before I get to that I'd just like to say that I remember them playing intense, direct football, but certainly not hoofing it. In fact their fans reckon he actually increased possession from their previous manager Glasner. Under him they were already playing 3-4-3 with an intensive press, so Ismael just seemed to tweak things a bit and mostly keep with what the squad was used to.

The other thing I remember is that LASK under Ismael came the closest to beating Red Bull to the title than anyone in recent years. They fell apart completely after the Covid break, when they trained illegally and got docked points. I don't know who took the decision on those training sessions, whether it was him or those higher up.

There are also some reports of him falling out with the hierarchy and other staff but with all sorts other recent scandals coming out of the club (like involvement in third party ownership and all sorts of frictions and accusations within the board itself, I'd judge the club itself to be quite rotten.

In general their fans seem to prefer him to the guy who replaced him and they certainly have not improved since then. Just how much of his success is down to what Glasner built I don't know.

Here are a couple of quotes in English from a LASK forum when Barnsley fan asked them about him:

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True, we already had a style of press before ismael came and he furthered that playstyle. the problems just arose when we were down a goal. some teams also just started not to play around and just kicked the ball forward trying to win tackles in our zones. so there was no real chance of press some of the time and we had to figure out how to play creative football. and thats where our problems started and did not get solved

and...

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  As a result there were some voices inside the team that didn't get along with him and his style of coaching anymore. also the management didn't see enough of an evolution in our playing style and maybe a lack of flexibility in his style of coaching.
there were also some rumors that Ismael was mainly a motivator and that most of the tactical coaching was done by his assistants (but that is not verified)


In general he was very well liked here, especially by the majority of the fans, for his results early on and his emotional coaching style. his interviews were sometimes close to legendary, so we would not want to have missed the year we had with him. 

I'm certainly happier with us taking a punt on Ismael than somebody like Wilder or the dreadful list of names that has been doing the rounds  ;D Let's hope he's learnt some lessons from the past and I'm sure he will not try to replicate his Barnsley tactics one to one.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: July 22, 2020, 06:30:56 PM »
Which one? Such a fabulous city.
Flanagan's in the first district. Closest thing to a real pub here I think.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: July 22, 2020, 06:15:25 PM »
Great city you live in, my favourite place I have visited, when my daughter was at Uni there three years ago
Yeah definitely. The black country and Birmingham have a special place in my heart - my dad's from Blackheath and I went to uni in Brum - but coming back here wasn't a hard decision. I do kiss the people and proper pubs though. I'd kill for a pint of Holden's right now...

Anyway sorry for veering off topic, back to the game. I'm quietly confident we'll get over the line somehow tonight, fingers crossed.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: July 22, 2020, 05:58:20 PM »
Always loved Scharner when he was at the Albion, although he played for Austria Wien in the past  >:(
I remember shouting something to him in German from the first row, while he was warming up on that day at the Molineux. But Sadly the pitch was miles away.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: July 22, 2020, 05:47:46 PM »
Sitting around waiting wasn’t doing me any good. I’ve popped down the local for a few outside, grab a few cans on the way back, and hopefully be numb by kick off.
Just had one and am now going to head down to an Irish pub here in Vienna to watch it. All on my own, since my girlfriend's in hospital and my mates are either away, doing night shifts or not interested in football! Oh well, I met a Baggies fan from Sedgley who was on holiday there for Millwall away. Maybe there's still someone stranded over here due to travel bans, who knows.  ;D

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Athletic
« on: April 26, 2020, 01:58:28 PM »
Dorrans: ‘I’d sit alone in WBA dressing room at breakfast. You had to earn it’

We are five minutes from the end of our interview when I let Graham Dorrans in on what has been on my mind for most of the previous 40.

“I’m trying to put this politely…” I tell the hero of West Bromwich Albion’s promotion to the Premier League a decade ago. “But it’s like talking to a different guy. Back in the day, you could be quite hard work!”

There is a hint of laughter on the line. It seems this is something Dorrans has heard before.

“I think a lot of people did mistake my manner for something else,” says Dorrans, now aged 32 and, despite the coronavirus lockdown, attempting to rejuvenate an injury-hit career with Dundee in the Scottish Championship.

“Me being shy, sitting there and not speaking to people — I think a lot of people might have thought it was rude. But I was just shy. That’s what it was. There is no beating about the bush. I wasn’t sitting here thinking, ‘I don’t want to speak to him.’

“But you grow up. I’ve got a family and I’ve got kids and people change. Things you go through in life change people, but I totally get the fact that people can perceive you a certain way when you’re sitting there and not really speaking to people.”

Dorrans did do his share of interviews during seven seasons at The Hawthorns.

But none of them lasted nearly as long as this one has. And, it turns out, it was not just journalists who could find it hard to weigh up the lad who joined from Livingston in the summer of 2008 and who, two years later, was Albion’s most talked-about player.

“For probably the first two or three years I was at West Brom, everyone said the same thing about me,” he admits.

“I was quiet, I was shy, I would go in in the morning, get changed, sit on my seat in the dressing room while all the other boys went in to get their breakfast.

“For me, with the way I was brought up and the way I grew up, going in with them wasn’t on. I was going down there to play with boys who were established in the Premier League and for somebody that had just come down from Livingston, I wasn’t going to just stroll in there.

“Nowadays, a lot of boys just go in for their breakfast. I just thought you had to earn that. The boys always used to tell me to come in and get my breakfast but I didn’t. I was always a shy boy so I just used to get changed and just sit there until it was time to put my boots on and go out and train.

“I was a shy boy who left my Mom and Dad’s house at 20 years old, but it was the making of me, so it was great. I was living on my own for the first time ever.”

Happily for West Brom supporters, while Dorrans wasn’t a great “talker” in his time in the Midlands, he could most definitely play. For nine glorious months in the 2009-10 campaign, he did it better than anyone else in the Championship, even with Newcastle United winning the title ahead of Albion.

Dorrans bagged 19 assists — the best tally in the league — to go with 13 goals as Roberto Di Matteo’s men ended the season 11 points adrift of Chris Hughton’s Newcastle but 12 clear of third-placed Nottingham Forest.

“It’s still, to this day, the best season of my career,” says Dorrans. “I absolutely loved it. From the moment I moved down to West Brom, all the boys were great with me.

“The first year down there was in the Premier League and I knew that was all about me bedding in. But come the second season, I was ready. I was a bit disappointed when Tony Mowbray left, but Robbie Di Matteo was great with me.

“I was trying to get myself established and when you get a new manager you’re never too sure. With the player he was, there was excitement at him coming in. For me to work with somebody like that was exciting. I still wondered in pre-season whether I would be his cup of tea and against Newcastle on the first day of the season I was on the bench, so you’re still thinking, ‘I’m not sure.’

“But Di Matteo, Eddie Newton [assistant manager] and Ade Mafe [the former Olympic sprinter and fitness coach] were brilliant for me and I think all the boys liked them.”

It was a remarkable campaign for a player who, just two years earlier, was visiting Albion for a week in an effort to impress Mowbray enough to earn a contract south of the border. Dorrans had done enough at Livingston to convince Mark Proctor, his manager, he was worth recommending to Mowbray, a former Middlesbrough team-mate.

Mowbray snapped up Dorrans ahead of two more planned trials at English clubs, yet the youngster figured just eight times as West Brom finished bottom of the Premier League in 2008-09 ahead of the manager’s acrimonious departure for Celtic.

Few fans foresaw the role the unknown youngster would play in the 12 months that followed.

“The step up from a Scottish League One team to a team who were in the Championship at the time but had just got promoted for the following season, I was thinking, ‘Wow, this is what I’ve always wanted.’

“When you’re growing up, you want to go and play in the Premier League and I was getting that chance. But I knew it was only a chance. I knew I wasn’t going down there to play in the Premier League every week.

“Spending that season was great, but you do get a bit frustrated. I went to see Tony a few times because I wanted to come back up to Scotland on loan. There were a couple of teams from the SPL interested and I just wanted to get football again. But Tony and Mark Venus wanted me to stay there and train with the first team every day and play reserve games, and at the end of the season it paid off.”

Any highlights package of West Brom’s promotion under Di Matteo — a second for the club in three seasons — would have Dorrans as its poster boy.

It was not a role that sat easily with a quiet boy from Barlanark in the east of Glasgow. He insists, though, the rapid rise was taken, by and large, in his stride despite his then-girlfriend, and now wife, Yvonne being restricted to weekend visits by her ongoing studies in Scotland.

“The way I was brought up, you just deal with it,” he says. “I wasn’t one for going out at the time. I had my flat in Sutton Coldfield that I enjoyed. My mates came down and spent time there and if we wanted to go out we would maybe go to the pub across the road and have a couple of beers and then go back and sit in the flat. That probably helped.

“But all my childhood I really wanted to be a footballer and when you get that chance you don’t want that chance to pass you by, so I gave everything I could.

“I think being so young, and maybe a bit naive, helped. Maybe when you’ve got older and played a bit more, you start to think about things a bit more. I wish I could have adopted the same things you do when you’re 20 or 21 but you don’t.

“You’d think you’d get more experienced and deal with things a bit better, but for me I think I’ve gone the other way and started to think about things a bit too much.”

Dorrans believes his role in promotion helped him maintain the momentum that began with his August goals against Bury and Rotherham United and took him all the way to the opener at Doncaster Rovers in the April as Albion completed the job with three games to spare.

“I had the freedom of going down there with no pressure,” he says. “Coming from Livingston and going to a club like that, nobody expected me to be the one who was top scorer or anything like that.

“But we had a great squad. We had Scotty Carson, Dean Kiely — what a character he was around the place — Jonas Olsson, Steven Reid came in that year… so when we got promoted it wasn’t because of me, it was because of the squad we had.

“If you look back, we had Roman Bednar up front, but if he hadn’t scored for a couple of games then Simon Cox was coming on and banging a couple in.”

Dorrans certainly felt it in 2010-11, when his exploits in the Championship meant an inevitable expectation that he would be the Premier League’s next breakout star. He had signed a lucrative new contract that summer after a series of bids from West Ham United, culminating in one worth around £8.5 million, had failed to persuade Albion to do business.

“My agent had been speaking with West Brom about getting a new deal so that was my main focus, then he phoned me and said West Ham were interested and had made a bid,” says Dorrans. “But it never got as far as me travelling to West Ham or speaking to them.

“Once I was aware of the bid, I had a conversation with West Brom and they made it clear that they didn’t care what came in because I wasn’t going. I had signed a new contract before that. It was good, decent money, and I had two or three years on my contract.

“So they made it clear they weren’t selling but they were willing to negotiate another contract and I was happy and settled at West Brom so I wasn’t ever going to bang the door down and ask to go. I would have stayed at West Brom for my whole career if that was possible, but things change.”

Things began to change quickly. Having played 45 games in the Championship, he figured just 21 times in his first Premier League campaign. Di Matteo was sacked midway through, making way for Roy Hodgson to mastermind Albion’s best spell of Premier League football.

For Dorrans, though, there would be no repeat of the heroics that got them back to the top flight.

He did have good days — a spectacular goal against former admirers West Ham in a 3-3 draw under caretaker boss Michael Appleton and a late winner in 2011-12 to end the club’s 30-year wait for victory at Stoke City. Yet for most Albion fans, there was a sense of anti-climax that Dorrans’ top-flight career never hit the heights of what had gone before.

The man himself takes a different view while acknowledging that he became a victim of his own success.

“The season before there was no pressure on me, then you’re going into a full season where everyone is expecting things from you,” he says. “It’s a different ball game, a different league and a way of playing. But I thought I did well. It would have been nice for me to go and get another 17 or 18 goals in the Premier League but that’s difficult when you’re fighting to just be 17th in the league and not go down.

“Even when Roy Hodgson came in, I was playing right and left midfield and my job was to get back more than it was to get forward because we just had to be solid. But I was happy to do that. I loved playing under Roy. He is one of the best managers I’ve had.

“If you’d told me when I signed for West Brom when I was 20 that I would play that many games in the Premier League and had the career I had with West Brom I would probably have laughed and thought you were joking.”

By February 2015, Dorrans was on his way out of The Hawthorns, his first-team place having been lost due to a series of injuries, managerial changes, higher-profile signings, the return to form and fitness of his good friend James Morrison and a hitherto unreported issue with Hodgson’s successor, Steve Clarke.

“It was brewing from when Steve Clarke came in because, for whatever reason, he isolated me and put me out of the team and I wasn’t really involved,” recalls Dorrans of his fellow Scot.

“There were conversations about maybe leaving then. I honestly didn’t want to leave but when you’re not playing you start to think, ‘Where am I going with this?’ I was still training with the boys every day but I wasn’t involved on match day and he never really told me what was going on. I can’t really remember, but I probably did go and tap on his door. But I don’t think I got much from him.

“Then Pepe Mel came in [in January 2014] and I played for the first five or six games under him and started to feel really good again. But fast forward again, Tony Pulis came in [at mid-season in 2014-15] and I started to get the feeling I wasn’t his sort of player. He was respectful and good to me. He told me he would like me to stay but he couldn’t guarantee I would play so, for me, knowing I wasn’t going to play, I still felt I had a lot to give and I wanted to get out and play.

“I had the chance to go to Norwich, who were pushing for the Premier League.”

Dorrans spent two and a half years at Carrow Road, initially on loan, helping Norwich to Championship play-off final victory in 2015 and making 21 further Premier League appearances to add to his 113 for Albion. Then, in the summer of 2017, the chance came to fulfill another boyhood dream by playing for Rangers.

He took it and though the move eventually turned sour through injuries, that did not dilute the joy of playing for his boyhood club.

“There had been a couple of conversations throughout my career about Rangers, but when it came up that time I knew it would be the last chance,” he says. “I grew up a Rangers fan and it was always something I dreamed of doing, so I pushed for it as much as I could.
Boyhood Rangers fan Dorrans loved his two years at Ibrox, despite only starting 16 league games (Photo: Andrew Milligan/PA Images via Getty Images)

“I played against Manchester City and Arsenal, played at Old Trafford, scored at the Etihad, but for me my debut for Rangers against Motherwell, when we won 2-1 and I scored the two goals, is one of the best feelings I’ve had in my career.

“I was growing up as a kid watching Rangers for my whole life, so doing that in front of all my mates who were in the crowd was a feeling that will never leave me. And although it never worked out at Rangers for me, that feeling alone was enough to tell me it was the right decision.

“I played three-quarters of my first season, played 18 or 20 games and scored five goals, which isn’t a bad return. But I got two bad injuries that set me back and the new manager [Steven Gerrard] came in and I missed pretty much a full season.

“I was trying to get back in but things happened at Rangers that I wouldn’t really want to get into too much. For whatever reason, I couldn’t get myself fully fit and the manager decided I wasn’t going to be involved.”

Despite the setback the midfielder, who turns 33 in May, speaks with genuine excitement at linking up with former Livingston team-mate James McPake, and of using this spell with Dundee as a springboard back up the leagues. He has signed a contract that takes in this season and next but has not ruled out moving on, even back to England.

“It’s been great for me just to get games again,” he says. “When I missed those two years I missed the feeling of being with the lads every day and training.

“It’s hard when you’re injured, regardless of how the team is doing, when you’re working your balls off in the gym every day and looking out of the window and seeing the boys training. You can feel isolated.

“So Dundee has been great for me to get that feeling back of being out with the boys, training every day. I’m still only 32, so I think I’ve got a few years left in me yet and I think I’ve proved over the last six, seven or eight months that I’ve played that I’m fit now. So we will see what the future holds.”

Then comes another unexpected revelation.

The boy who would barely say boo to a goose when he left his parents’ house to join West Brom in 2008 is now considering a career in management.

It seemed inconceivable a few years ago. But now, for a personable, confident, articulate Dorrans, it seems a sensible proposition. He has seen and experienced a lot in football and outside it. He and Yvonne suffered the agony of stillbirth in 2011 when their daughter, Logan, was born prematurely. Another daughter, Ava, survived meningitis a year later when she was just three months old.

They remain a solid family unit, though, and as Dorrans sits at home on the outskirts of Glasgow with his children — Leah, 17; Ava, now eight, and son Austyn, six — he is looking to the future.

“I have started my coaching badges. I started doing my B Licence when I left Rangers. I have been in the game since I was 16 years old so I definitely want to stay in it but I still feel like I’ve got three or four more years to play.

“After that I definitely want to stay in the game and maybe get back to West Brom one day.”

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