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Title: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on June 19, 2016, 12:03:41 AM
We don't seem to have one...
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 19, 2016, 12:51:09 AM
Cars going round and round in circles. Contemptible drivers team owners and governing body.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on June 19, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
Cars going round and round in circles. Contemptible drivers team owners and governing body.

Can't really argue with too much of that - but they do go round in circles really, really fast  ;)
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 19, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
I'll be at Silverstone again this year. Can't wait.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on June 19, 2016, 06:14:50 PM
Was hoping for a bit more excitement today. For once one of the new tracks looked half decent but in the end it was all a bit of a damp squib.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on June 19, 2016, 06:46:56 PM
Was hoping for a bit more excitement today. For once one of the new tracks looked half decent but in the end it was all a bit of a damp squib.

Agreed, im not a fan of many of the new circuits but this one looked like it had potential for passes and incident. Didn't really catch fire today.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 19, 2016, 07:21:01 PM
I saw a couple of laps and thought the circuit looked rubbish and doesn't surprise me if nothing exciting happened.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 19, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
Apart from the start its boring viewing, it needs spicing up. Re fuelling again etc
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 19, 2016, 08:30:12 PM
Apart from the start its boring viewing, it needs spicing up. Re fuelling again etc

No helmets, driver's get out the car to change their own tyres/re-fuel, cyclists, traffic lights... Would be much better.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: DaveWBA on June 20, 2016, 08:25:48 AM
Cars aren't a sport.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: albion59 on June 20, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
No helmets, driver's get out the car to change their own tyres/re-fuel, cyclists, traffic lights... Would be much better.
Jacko, that's got to be one of your best! Brilliant
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 20, 2016, 07:26:24 PM
No helmets, driver's get out the car to change their own tyres/re-fuel, cyclists, traffic lights... Would be much better.

Don't forget the missus as the back seat driver.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 28, 2016, 01:48:36 PM
Suprised no ones mentioned Lewis driving around at 100mph :D his team telling him to drive faster and him telling them to do one
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 28, 2016, 01:59:05 PM
Suprised no ones mentioned Lewis driving around at 100mph :D his team telling him to drive faster and him telling them to do one

He's not the most likeable chap but I don't see what else he was supposed to do yesterday. Wasn't dangerous and he just rocketing off into the difference wasn't going to help him. In truth the last three seasons have been dead boring because Mercedes have been ridiculously dominant so hopefully the new regs will level the playing field.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 28, 2016, 02:02:17 PM
He's not the most likeable chap but I don't see what else he was supposed to do yesterday. Wasn't dangerous and he just rocketing off into the difference wasn't going to help him. In truth the last three seasons have been dead boring because Mercedes have been ridiculously dominant so hopefully the new regs will level the playing field.


certainly made the race more interesting to watch
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wbastrollers on November 28, 2016, 04:01:12 PM

I think LH will leave Merx if not this season then next - I think he feels the German ownwers are favouring the German driver!?

Where next Red Bull? LH & Verstappen, maybe not.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 28, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
Red Bull have already said the don't want him.

Wouldn't be too surprised if Merc tries to nab Max for the 2018 season
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Jimmy on November 28, 2016, 04:17:24 PM
Any team would be daft not to sign Hamilton, literally the best driver, forget all the other guff.

Max Verstappen is great but is slightly too mercurial at the minute.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on November 28, 2016, 04:18:42 PM
Can see him at Ferrari season after next  ;)
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on November 28, 2016, 08:33:06 PM
Any team would be daft not to sign Hamilton, literally the best driver, forget all the other guff.

Max Verstappen is great but is slightly too mercurial at the minute.

I don't think so, I think there are two or three contenders for best driver, Hamilton and Rosberg just happen to have the best cars at the moment. It was the same with Vettel when he was with Red Bull

Most seasons someone driving the best car wins.

It would be nice to see all the drivers in the same spec car, to see who really is the best driver
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on November 28, 2016, 08:38:41 PM
F1 hasn't been the same since they brought in all the regulations which killed quite a few teams, then they created more regulations to level the playing field apparently...

Ditch half the regulations and F1 will be great again

Shame for Hamilton, won more races this year but his car hasn't been the most reliable, not being funny but his car should be the best, teams used to have a main driver and a secondary driver...now they have a conflict of interest because F1 has become a constructors championship not a drivers championship

For me Lewis was right to slow down and try to let the others catchup and overtake Rosberg he wanted the title

Mercedes could have both crash out of that race and the constructors championship would still be theirs

Im hoping he leaves and goes to another team...if only Ferrari could get their act together with the cars
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wbastrollers on November 28, 2016, 11:39:18 PM


Would not be surprised if Hamilton had a years sabbatical.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 02, 2016, 01:48:55 PM
Rosberg has just insta retired!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 02, 2016, 01:51:36 PM
A bit surprised but he has gone out on a high, so I don't blame him. I bet he returns though....

Would love to see Verstappen get the drive - the Hamilton toys will well and truly fly out of the cot then!!!!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on December 02, 2016, 01:56:31 PM
Could they get button for one year whilst others are unavailable? Could he be tempted and I know he is still contracted
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 02, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Also surprised but really respect his decision. If you achieve your dream then you can bow out with your head held high and move onto a new adventure.

Im guessing Max is stuck at Red Bull now for at least another year. No idea how the contracts work if they could steal him.

I don't think Alonso has committed to McLaren yet so could be a good shout for 1 year and then get Max in 2018
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on December 02, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Very surprised at this!!

I think he has bowed out on a high but he knows deep down he won that title through luck....

I like Rosberg though, certainly a better person than Hamilton I just prefer Hamilton as a driver
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 04, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Who would you like to his teammate? Would love to see a Hamilton and Alonso reunion. They're still the best two drivers in my opinion and sparks would fly. Verstappen, Ricciardo or Vettel would be good too. Imagine they'll just plumb for a compliant no.2.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on March 25, 2017, 07:52:17 AM
Anyone going to give this a try this year? Supposed to have a load new regulations etc. I fear a Hamilton procession this year! The sport needs seb vettel to make a challenge against him
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheBrom on March 25, 2017, 09:15:57 AM
Anyone going to give this a try this year? Supposed to have a load new regulations etc. I fear a Hamilton procession this year! The sport needs seb vettel to make a challenge against him

I was looking forward to it. Watched a bit of the testing and was getting excited about the possibility of the other teams catching up. Woke up this morning to see Hamilton on pole and first in practice. Not a great start, which is a shame as if it was someone a bit different I'd be turning the highlights on right now. As it is I can't be bothered already
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on March 25, 2017, 09:42:40 AM
 i find it interesting that the powers that be want closer racing with more overtaking and yet the rules make the cars with increased tyre width etc bigger therefore surely less room on the road for overtaking more so if the cars are evenly matched
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheBrom on March 25, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
i find it interesting that the powers that be want closer racing with more overtaking and yet the rules make the cars with increased tyre width etc bigger therefore surely less room on the road for overtaking more so if the cars are evenly matched

Was just reading that they are making further changes but not until next year  :-\. Such as shortening the nose and removing some of the other bits. Also only allowed to use 4 engines this year, so probably see a lot of coasting and saving engine life.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on March 25, 2017, 10:12:22 AM
I was looking forward to it. Watched a bit of the testing and was getting excited about the possibility of the other teams catching up. Woke up this morning to see Hamilton on pole and first in practice. Not a great start, which is a shame as if it was someone a bit different I'd be turning the highlights on right now. As it is I can't be bothered already

Agreed. There is something about f1 that just feels not right anymore. I've loved it since the Prost senna and mansell days but it just does not feel the same anymore. Some of the things that get talked about are just plain boring. I'm not interested in the fact that so and so is on this type of tyre and he had to use this type by the end of the race etc. Also the drivers over the radio moan so much I feel now, he blocked me he must have a drive through Charlie or he's just driven all four wheels of the track etc. Maybe the always did but we never used to hear it. Even some of the new tracks lack identity and whilst I don't want to see people hurt etc they lack close racing, a bit like some of these new stadiums etc. I feel rosberg retiring has robbed us of a least a good inter term battle as he clearly could get under hamiltons skin. I fear Hamilton will thrash bottas and Don't start me on mcclaren.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 25, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
Mercedes still look comfortably superior to the rest. I fear another yawnfest. Good if you're a Hamilton fan I suppose.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheBrom on March 25, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
Mercedes still look comfortably superior to the rest. I fear another yawnfest. Good if you're a Hamilton fan I suppose.

Yeah I still think the Mercedes have more to give as well. Are there any races on 'terrestrial' TV this year? Or is it all Sky?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: kc56wba on March 25, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
Yeah I still think the Mercedes have more to give as well. Are there any races on 'terrestrial' TV this year? Or is it all Sky?
What 2017 F1 races will be shown live on Channel Four this season?
16 Apr: Bahrain
30 Apr: Russia
28 May: Monaco
25 Jun: Azerbaijan
16 Jul: Great Britain
27 Aug: Belgium
17 Sep: Singapore
1 Oct: Malaysia
22 Oct: USA
26 Nov: Abu Dhabi


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Take tour of the track Lewis Hamilton will visit in Azerbaijan for the first time after Canadian GP
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26 Mar: Australia - Sky Sports F1
9 Apr: China - Sky Sports F1
16 Apr: Bahrain - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
30 Apr: Russia - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
14 May: Spain - Sky Sports F1
28 May: Monaco - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
11 Jun: Canada - Sky Sports F1
25 Jun: Azerbaijan - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
9 Jul: Austria - Sky Sports F1
16 Jul: Great Britain - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
30 Jul: Hungary - Sky Sports F1
27 Aug: Belgium - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
3 Sep: Italy - Sky Sports F1
17 Sep: Singapore - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
1 Oct: Malaysia - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
8 Oct: Japan - Sky Sports F1
22 Oct: USA - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
29 Oct: Mexico - Sky Sports F1
12 Nov: Brazil - Sky Sports F1
26 Nov: Abu Dhabi - Sky Sports F1, Channel 4
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Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 26, 2017, 07:42:46 AM
Christ F1 needed that. Can't read too much into the first race but the Mercs and Ferrari look pretty close so hopefully it'll be a decent season.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: TheBrom on March 26, 2017, 01:54:08 PM
Got the result ruined by my BBC Sport app telling me the winner when I woke up. Watched the highlights knowing the winner but was excited to see the move to get the lead at least. Should have guessed it would be all down to a pit stop as usual. As much as F1 needed a different winner, realistically he's only won because he did a couple of quick laps when Hamilton pitted and his tyres lasted a bit longer..
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on March 27, 2017, 09:25:56 PM
Should watch moto gp instead f1 is boring  . it's follow the leader .
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2017, 08:04:59 PM
Lewis Hamilton using tax loopholes in the Carribean, Isle of Man and lives in Switzerland.

How on earth can he morally fly the flag for GB when he doesn't even want to live here or pay his fair share?!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 07, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
Lewis Hamilton using tax loopholes in the Carribean, Isle of Man and lives in Switzerland.

How on earth can he morally fly the flag for GB when he doesn't even want to live here or pay his fair share?!
A lot of the time, he holds our Union flag upside down !
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 28, 2018, 11:23:34 PM
Another world championship for Lewis Hamilton
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on October 29, 2018, 06:46:01 AM
Another world championship for Lewis Hamilton

At least he has been a bit more grown up about it this year

Still cannot stand the bloke.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Mister AT on October 29, 2018, 09:15:03 AM
I believe that makes Hamilton the joint 2nd most successful F1 racer?

2 titles behind Schumacher.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on October 29, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
For most of his championships he has had the best car by miles, any of the F1 drivers would be ‘World Champion’ in that car. Of course, he is a good driver but not in the same league as Jackie Stewart, Stirling Moss, Juan Manuel Fangio and absolutely nowhere near the late, very great Jim Clark.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on May 01, 2020, 08:52:29 PM
I know many of you ridicule f1 on here, and I admit it’s not the same as it used to be. So I just wanted to mention today 26 years ago one of if not the greatest left us, I can’t believe it’s be so long. Rip Ayrton Senna one of the greatest sportsman of all time
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 29, 2020, 05:46:43 PM
Same result In LH Winning but a huge Crash for Romain Grosjean he hit an ArmCo barrier at 140MPH his Car Split in Half and then Caught Fire he got but suffered burns to His Hands and Ankles
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 30, 2020, 11:12:28 AM
Pietro Fittipaldi (grandson of former F1 and Indycar champion Emerson Fittipaldi) will replace Romain Grosjean while he’s hospitalised. He’s been the Haas test drive for a couple of years and is a Ferrari academy driver so should know the tech fairly well.

No disrespect but even if he is slightly slower, so long as he can crash at a lower rate than Grosjean then he may just be an improvement. Be better than having to rebuild the car every other week.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on November 30, 2020, 11:22:46 AM
I lost interest in F1 long ago but I am very pleased that we didn’t have a fatality in that race. The engineering that goes into those cars is truly amazing, it’s just a shame that it is all so processional these days.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 01, 2020, 09:19:47 AM
While they are in the news cycle, Haas have announced Formula 2 driver Nikita Mazepin will be one of their drivers for next season, meaning at least one of Romain Grosjean or Kevin Magnussen will not have a seat at the team. Despite the 2nd driver not being announced yet, both have stated a potential desire for Indycar, so maybe both will go to the states for 2021?

Edit:- after further research, both Grosjean and Magnussen will leave Haas and have had open talks with Indycar teams. I can’t find if it’ll be full seasons or part time work like Alonso only doing the Indy500.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 01, 2020, 10:31:39 AM
While they are in the news cycle, Haas have announced Formula 2 driver Nikita Mazepin will be one of their drivers for next season, meaning at least one of Romain Grosjean or Kevin Magnussen will not have a seat at the team. Despite the 2nd driver not being announced yet, both have stated a potential desire for Indycar, so maybe both will go to the states for 2021?

Edit:- after further research, both Grosjean and Magnussen will leave Haas and have had open talks with Indycar teams. I can’t find if it’ll be full seasons or part time work like Alonso only doing the Indy500.

I am pretty sure both will get full season rides in the Indycar series, F1 drivers are quite sought after. I remember watching Mansell taking to it like a duck to water in 93, winning the title. He was also the F1 world champion as well so it was quite an achievement. I prefer Indycarts to F1, the racing is more open and exciting.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 01, 2020, 11:08:21 AM
I am pretty sure both will get full season rides in the Indycar series, F1 drivers are quite sought after. I remember watching Mansell taking to it like a duck to water in 93, winning the title. He was also the F1 world champion as well so it was quite an achievement. I prefer Indycarts to F1, the racing is more open and exciting.
it depends on who has the money, I believe a lot of the teams have already sewn up their drivers too but McLaren might run another car? Especially with Magnussen due to his relationship and history with them. Shame Stewart Haas don’t have an Indycar team but one of the drivers could turn to NASCAR like Montoya did, problem again is Haas have 3-4 drivers already for next year.

Just checked the wiki for 2021 and the only open Indycar position left is for a road driver at Ed Carpenter Racing, so unless there is a 3rd car somewhere on offer that is the only open seat for the season.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on December 01, 2020, 11:08:32 AM
Grosjean would not have a Season anyway so that crash ended his Career. Obviously Grosjean wasn't the best driver but it is sad to any F1 Driver have a huge crash that ends there career
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 01, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
Grosjean would not have a Season anyway so that crash ended his Career. Obviously Grosjean wasn't the best driver but it is sad to any F1 Driver have a huge crash that ends there career
but it is The most Grosjean way he could have ended it!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on December 01, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
but it is The most Grosjean way he could have ended it!
Yes True but maybe had he been in a better car he might have proved his talent
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 01, 2020, 11:59:36 AM
Yes True but maybe had he been in a better car he might have proved his talent
He had the Renault/Lotus for several years and did show promise, matching Raikonen fairly consistently in the 2012/13 seasons, however even then he was accident prone and lost points over his team mate due to lack of consistency. And the less said about the 2 season double act with Pastor Maldonaldo the better.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 01, 2020, 01:26:25 PM
Lewis Hamilton to miss Sakhir GP after testing positive for coronavirus

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on December 01, 2020, 04:41:32 PM
Yes True but maybe had he been in a better car he might have proved his talent

If he had been in Lewis Hamilton’s car he could have been World Champion.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on December 01, 2020, 05:30:00 PM
If he had been in Lewis Hamilton’s car he could have been World Champion.

erm? like Bottas ?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 02, 2020, 11:48:45 AM
Mick Schumacher (Micheal Schumacher’s son) will drive for Haas next season. He is the 3rd Formula 2 champion to make the step up after Charles Leclerc and George Russell.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55156088
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on December 04, 2020, 04:41:34 PM
so Hamiltons car is fastest in first practice despite having George Russell who is a relative novice driving.

I don't think this helps F1's image at all
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on December 04, 2020, 04:55:15 PM
so Hamiltons car is fastest in first practice despite having George Russell who is a relative novice driving.

I don't think this helps F1's image at all
Or Mercedes trying to disprove the fact it is the Car or any people saying it is Hamilton not the car. All I can say to George Russell is good luck he has the pressure of being in the fastest car on the grid driven by a 7 Time World Champion the guy which will Russell will probably replace. I hope to see him, Norris is McLaren can get back to Competing for Titles, Riccardo and Verstappen all competing for the Championship One Day. I do hope Russell makes good of a chance to impress so maybe they can hire him in two years time as I think Hamilton will try to go for an Eighth Title. Who is driving at Williams to replace Russell anyway
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on December 04, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
erm? like Bottas ?

Not like Bottas, who has to drive to team orders. F1 these days is rather like a glorified Formula Ford.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 07, 2020, 03:20:51 PM
Excuse the plagiarism, "Behind every F1 Champion driver, is a great car" difficult to have one without the other.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on December 07, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
Yes, but there have been times when there has been more than one ‘great’ (competitive) car on the grid; not the case in the Hamilton era, though.

Must be careful, though, criticism of Mr Hamilton would appear to be politically unacceptable.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: lewisant on December 07, 2020, 06:44:23 PM
Yes, but there have been times when there has been more than one ‘great’ (competitive) car on the grid; not the case in the Hamilton era, though.

Must be careful, though, criticism of Mr Hamilton would appear to be politically unacceptable.

Just thought I'd pop in to see if there were views on Hamilton's understudy but politics again bought to another topic. Boring.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 08, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Any one else wondering how convenient the tyre mix up and puncture were?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2020, 09:09:49 AM
So the top three of the Abu Dhabi GP finished in the exact same order that they started.

What a riveting race.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 14, 2020, 09:37:24 AM
So the top three of the Abu Dhabi GP finished in the exact same order that they started.

What a riveting race.

Worst race of the season, following the best the week before.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 14, 2020, 09:54:23 AM
So the top three of the Abu Dhabi GP finished in the exact same order that they started.

What a riveting race.
Yas Marina is never a great race, it’s a Tilke design that presents very few overtaking opportunities. everyone knows this but it makes the leagues absolute bank so everyone goes there, even RallyCross!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2020, 09:59:06 AM
Yas Marina is never a great race, it’s a Tilke design that presents very few overtaking opportunities. everyone knows this but it makes the leagues absolute bank so everyone goes there, even RallyCross!

I thought when Ecclestone left the new owners were going to make it more exciting, whereas they have managed the complete opposite.

and many say oval racing is boring.......I love it personally, masses of close wheel overtaking there, and a different winner most weeks.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 14, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
I thought when Ecclestone left the new owners were going to make it more exciting, whereas they have managed the complete opposite.

and many say oval racing is boring.......I love it personally, masses of close wheel overtaking there, and a different winner most weeks.
much of the rule changes are due for 2022 (was going to be next year but was delayed for obvious reasons). Include spending caps and changes to aero including the reintroduction of ground effect that will make them harder to control and easier to make overtaking opportunities. Not saying it’ll work but they are trying.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: mulliganstired on February 08, 2021, 12:54:45 PM
Hamilton signed a fat new contract, could he please now move back to the UK and pay his taxes properly, I'm sure it would cover quite a few nurses wages for a year if he did that instead of lecturing everyone about this and that.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 08, 2021, 01:15:18 PM
lets hope Hamilton fails from now on
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Post by: skyclad99 on February 08, 2021, 01:18:51 PM
Hamilton signed a fat new contract, could he please now move back to the UK and pay his taxes properly, I'm sure it would cover quite a few nurses wages for a year if he did that instead of lecturing everyone about this and that.

Brilliant, something else I don't need to watch this year.......
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Post by: gerry m on February 08, 2021, 01:20:55 PM
Hamilton signed a fat new contract, could he please now move back to the UK and pay his taxes properly, I'm sure it would cover quite a few nurses wages for a year if he did that instead of lecturing everyone about this and that.

Anybody thinking he wouldnt was living on cloud cuckoo land.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
There won’t be much difference this season. Due to the virus all potential rule changes are delayed so I’d guess they will basically be the 2020 cars again this year with an eye on the massive 2022 regulations.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on July 18, 2021, 03:29:09 PM
Taking off the Union Jack-tinted specs, surely Hamilton has to take the blame for that one?
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Post by: baggie53 on July 18, 2021, 05:25:26 PM
Taking off the Union Jack-tinted specs, surely Hamilton has to take the blame for that one?
Cheats do sometimes (often) prosper
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Post by: frazzle on July 18, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Taking off the Union Jack-tinted specs, surely Hamilton has to take the blame for that one?

Racing incident for me. He forced Verstappen to make a decision and Verstappen chose to continue with the racing line. It’s a race after all.
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Post by: baggie53 on July 18, 2021, 07:15:48 PM
Racing incident for me. He forced Verstappen to make a decision and Verstappen chose to continue with the racing line. It’s a race after all.
Exactly !! Max was on the racing line, with his nose in front, so the blame is 100% Hamilton
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Post by: frazzle on July 18, 2021, 07:26:35 PM
Exactly !! Max was on the racing line, with his nose in front, so the blame is 100% Hamilton

Not for me. He met his match and thought he could force Hamilton to slow by cutting across him. This has been a long time coming for Verstappen in my view. His antics forcing Hamilton to the right before the corner were just as aggressive as Hamilton choosing to take the corner. His weaving about yesterday too. He can’t drive like that and then get upset when another driver is equally aggressive. If we cut this sort of thing out of racing then we are left with nothing.
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Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on July 18, 2021, 07:28:42 PM
Racing incident for me. He forced Verstappen to make a decision and Verstappen chose to continue with the racing line. It’s a race after all.

In fairness, after repeat viewing I think you're right. Not that the penalty mattered in the end  ;D
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Post by: wodenson46 on July 18, 2021, 07:51:58 PM
Not for me. He met his match and thought he could force Hamilton to slow by cutting across him. This has been a long time coming for Verstappen in my view. His antics forcing Hamilton to the right before the corner were just as aggressive as Hamilton choosing to take the corner. His weaving about yesterday too. He can’t drive like that and then get upset when another driver is equally aggressive. If we cut this sort of thing out of racing then we are left with nothing.

Exactly this Frazzle!

I am not a Hamilton fan, I appreciate his ability, and defend his right to his opinions but but in my own opinion he should stick to driving the car. However Verstappen as good and exciting a driver as he is will come up against other drivers who will withstand his aggression.

Hamilton like the British drivers before him will not back down to bullying and aggressive driving tactics.  Verstappen was equally at fault and could have eased off, stayed on the track and fought the race. Either driver could have left the track in this incident, and the comments by the little rat faced Mr Horner are inflammatory and not worth a gnats trump.

The stewards decision was made (in my opinion incorrectly) and that is the end of it.
Hamilton won fair and square thanks to a consistently high quality drive. Would not want to have been Bottas  though.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on July 18, 2021, 08:29:13 PM
Verstappen is the most aggressive driver on the grid and has used intimidation in the past today his attempt at intimidati backfired and he paid the price ,time Horner grew up and recognised  this. Verstappen had been weaving all over the track in order to block Hamilton despite the rules saying you are only allowed to move once in any attempted manoeuvre
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on July 19, 2021, 08:02:28 AM
Not for me. He met his match and thought he could force Hamilton to slow by cutting across him. This has been a long time coming for Verstappen in my view. His antics forcing Hamilton to the right before the corner were just as aggressive as Hamilton choosing to take the corner. His weaving about yesterday too. He can’t drive like that and then get upset when another driver is equally aggressive. If we cut this sort of thing out of racing then we are left with nothing.

I agree with you frazzle. I am not a Hamilton fan, and I am pleased that he has now got competition, but Verstappen is a very aggressive with no real track awareness other than his own. It caught him out yesterday and hopefully he will learn. Hamilton was in his right to challenge but Max decided to take the line regardless.

Its all well and good Horner complaining but he needs to have a word with his own man. A pure racing incident for me.

I thought Hamilton was superb after the restart, and you will not believe how much that sticks in my throat! 
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggiePhil on July 19, 2021, 08:32:24 AM
Hamilton signed a fat new contract, could he please now move back to the UK and pay his taxes properly, I'm sure it would cover quite a few nurses wages for a year if he did that instead of lecturing everyone about this and that.
Your right and that other damn tax exile Dyson too. In fact all of the offshore tax avoiders.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on July 19, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
Your right and that other damn tax exile Dyson too. In fact all of the offshore tax avoiders.

At least they are residing abroad. Providing all due taxes are paid on UK based company holdings then he is entitled to live abroad. However, I do not want to hear their opinions on my country when they do not contribute.

The real issue are the UK based 'taxpayers' who send their money abroad in lucrative 'tax avoidance schemes'.

Either live the high life in Monaco with a drop dead girlfriend, or live in Milton Keynes.....let me think about that one :D

Hamilton was excellent yesterday. Just off to clear my throat.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: SmethDan on July 19, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
I don't really follow F1 as it holds little if any attraction for me. But Verstappen's a Johnny Foreigner and Lewis Hamilton is a Brit' who lives in a Johnny Foreigner country. I'd root for the Brit' living the high life abroad over a Johnny Foreigner type more times than not. Get in Hammy, 'lap' it up lad.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2021, 09:59:14 AM
I don't really follow F1 as it holds little if any attraction for me. But Verstappen's a Johnny Foreigner and Lewis Hamilton is a Brit' who lives in a Johnny Foreigner country. I'd root for the Brit' living the high life abroad over a Johnny Foreigner type more times than not. Get in Hammy, 'lap' it up lad.
or you could root for Lando Norris instead? A Brit who still lives in Britain (Woking specifically) and is currently 3rd in the ranking. I’d also advocate George Russel in the near future but he’s a Wolves fan so maybe not.
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Post by: wodenson46 on July 19, 2021, 10:26:34 AM
or you could root for Lando Norris instead? A Brit who still lives in Britain (Woking specifically) and is currently 3rd in the ranking. I’d also advocate George Russel in the near future but he’s a Wolves fan so maybe not.

What a choice! Another damned southerner, and a bloody dingle. Wot we got in formula E, or that eco off road thing?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on July 19, 2021, 01:18:59 PM
I lost all interest in F1 years ago, I cannot see any attraction in it these days. I did see the incident on TV news , though, definitely Hamilton’s fault and it was a bad mistake. I think that it was worthy of him being black flagged, maybe if it had been anywhere else but Silverstone he might well have been. I don’t think that Hamilton is that good, he hasn’t had much in the way of competition for years; in fact I wouldn’t class any of the current F1 drivers as ‘Grand Prix’ drivers, glorified Formula Ford but less exciting.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on July 19, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
What a race that was yesterday and the drive by Hamilton to get back and win was supreme, especially in that heat, the physical exertion would have been immense.

For what its worth, i think it was purely a racing incident. Both drivers at fault in some way.

Its a race, Hamilton was significantly alongside Verstappen, the footage shows Verstappen turn in, turn back then turn in aggresively on Hamilton. Think Verstappen was just as guilty.

For Horner to say no one overtakes on that corner was utter rubbish....Hamilton went down that route 3 times in that race alone.

Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2021, 01:28:14 PM
What a choice! Another damned southerner, and a bloody dingle. Wot we got in formula E, or that eco off road thing?
there’s a few but all southerners to my knowledge. There’s a Brummie in Formula 3 I think? Guy called Max Fewtrell.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BigFrank20 on July 19, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
there’s a few but all southerners to my knowledge. There’s a Brummie in Formula 3 I think? Guy called Max Fewtrell.
One of 'the' Fewtrell's?
Only readers of a certain age will understand this one
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Post by: skyclad99 on July 19, 2021, 01:53:23 PM
One of 'the' Fewtrell's?
Only readers of a certain age will understand this one

I get it.

There is a Chris Fewtrell who writes for Coronation Street as well.

A really good book to read is The Accidental Gangster' - it is the story of Eddie Fewtrell and his family. Loads of interesting stuff in there, and a great account of what happened when the Krays tried to move into 'the manor'
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Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2021, 03:31:38 PM
I get it.

There is a Chris Fewtrell who writes for Coronation Street as well.

A really good book to read is The Accidental Gangster' - it is the story of Eddie Fewtrell and his family. Loads of interesting stuff in there, and a great account of what happened when the Krays tried to move into 'the manor'

Eddie / Don and Phil,  they were actually ok until crossed.  Oh for the cedar club and being 20 again.
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Post by: liverbaggie on July 20, 2021, 09:14:11 PM
And Barbarellas!
I knew them Fewtrells.
Can't say too much more
If they liked you happy days.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on September 12, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
Another crash between Hamilton and Verstappen so for those that watch it who was to blame this time?
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Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on September 12, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
Another crash between Hamilton and Verstappen so for those that watch it who was to blame this time?

100% Verstappen.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on September 12, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
100% Verstappen.
199% Hamilton
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on September 12, 2021, 07:15:55 PM
Even the Hamilton fan club, aka Sky commentators, said Hamilton did't leave Max enough room
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on September 12, 2021, 08:07:33 PM
Verstappen gets a grid penalty for next race
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on September 12, 2021, 08:20:58 PM
max gets 3 place grid penalty Lewis got nothing for Silverstone. stinks
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on September 12, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
They are determined to give their darling Hamilton the best possible chance of winning the title

It stinks the preferential treatment he gets
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on September 12, 2021, 09:24:07 PM
Perhaps if Verstappen had stayed on the track instead of bouncing off the kerb it would have had a different outcome !
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: buzzingbaggie on September 12, 2021, 09:52:29 PM
Clearly Max's  fault, he was he was never making that corner, he was perpendicular to the corner, no intention to make it.

He should of backed out
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 12, 2021, 09:57:37 PM
Verstappen to blame
Hes always been a reckless and dangerous driver
Desperate to become World champion
I hope Hamilton wins the championship again, he's the greatest ever in my opinion
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: SmethDan on September 12, 2021, 10:17:11 PM
Even the Hamilton fan club, aka Sky commentators, said Hamilton did't leave Max enough room

Genuine question from someone who doesn't pay much attention to Formula One or any other type of car racing.

Could you explain to me in simple terms why a driver who wants to win a race would leave room sufficient for a fellow competitor to pass them please?

For the avoidance of doubt I'm not being remotely sarcastic or smart arsey......... (honestly  ;D ).
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Baggies on September 12, 2021, 10:37:14 PM
I'm surprised there has been a grid penalty.  Like Dan I know very little about motor racing, albeit have lots of mates and family who love it, but when my old man had it on when I visited this afternoon the general concensus everywhere I looked seemed to be that it was just a "racing incident" rather than someone to blame.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Westie on September 14, 2021, 11:17:56 PM
Verstappen to blame
Hes always been a reckless and dangerous driver
Desperate to become World champion
I hope Hamilton wins the championship again, he's the greatest ever in my opinion

Never in a million years is Hamilton the greatest. Formula 1 is a shadow of what it used to be, a glorified Formula Ford and calling it Grand Prix racing is an insult to the real Grand Prix drivers. The greatest driver I have ever seen was Jim Clark, drove all sorts of cars and won in all of them; in comparison, Lewis Hamilton would qualify as a car cleaner. Most, if not all, previous world champions have been better drivers than Hamilton, it’s just that for most of his F1 career he has had the best car by far and the opposition has been poor. If you really think that Hamilton is the ‘Greatest’, read some motor racing history, it would almost certainly change your mind.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on September 15, 2021, 07:24:35 AM
Never in a million years is Hamilton the greatest. Formula 1 is a shadow of what it used to be, a glorified Formula Ford and calling it Grand Prix racing is an insult to the real Grand Prix drivers. The greatest driver I have ever seen was Jim Clark, drove all sorts of cars and won in all of them; in comparison, Lewis Hamilton would qualify as a car cleaner. Most, if not all, previous world champions have been better drivers than Hamilton, it’s just that for most of his F1 career he has had the best car by far and the opposition has been poor. If you really think that Hamilton is the ‘Greatest’, read some motor racing history, it would almost certainly change your mind.
100% - He's a good driver but not the greatest. As you rightly say for all his career he has had the best car
He has never dragged a team out of the doldrums like Schumacher did with Ferrari
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 15, 2021, 07:27:02 AM
It's my opinion lads
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: MarkW on September 15, 2021, 11:44:47 AM
It's my opinion lads

And people are allowed to disagree and say why they disagree.

You can't just say "it's my opinion" as if that somehow exempts your opinion from being critiqued
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 15, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
Hey mate I'm not complaining about anyone
You can say what you want and so can i
I can't stop you saying whatever you want within reason
Debate is good I don't take offence, do you?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on September 15, 2021, 12:15:58 PM
Verstappen to blame
Hes always been a reckless and dangerous driver
Desperate to become World champion
I hope Hamilton wins the championship again, he's the greatest ever in my opinion

The Greatest?? I wouldn't say the greatest but he is up there with the best.

I think he is an excellent driver and his ability in the wet shows how good he is too.

On the subject of 'its not as competitive a sport as it used to be', I dont agree he has raced in an era with many good F1 drivers like Alonso, Vettel, Rosberg and quite a few more since 2007/8.

I think its harsh to put Hamilton down like that, the history books will show he was the best of his generation, he is not trying to be the best of anyone elses! But if he breaks their records along the way then he is making the right noises for me.

Yes it's vastly different to pre-2005 Grand Prix motor racing but Hamilton's achievements, driving style, ability in the wet, one tracked mind wining mentality is undeniable in my honest.

He is a great driver.

My favourite was Senna. Schumacher was outstanding and possibly the best of the lot
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on September 15, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
I see parallels with tennis

Sampras best by a margin in his era

Djokovic / Nadal / Federer, competitive trio
Connors / McEnroe, competitive pair

Best of all time ?? I'd argue Federer or Sampras?

F1
Hamilton = Sampras

Schumacher = Federer

Hunt / Senna / Prost = competitive trio
Stewart / Jim Clarke / Graham Hill

Impossible to say who is the best ever IMO. (personally its Schumacher with Hamilton getting very close)
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: SmethDan on September 16, 2021, 07:37:16 AM
Can't see Federer cutting his granny off at the knees to win a game of tennis. When it comes to motor racing and Schumacher on the other hand you're talking Death Race 2000  ;D .
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on September 19, 2021, 08:29:32 PM
Schumaker, Senna, passable drivers, Top echelon of their era but not alone. However they are not Great drivers. Both are/were aggressive drivers who others with more sense would often give way to. They only got away with some of the stuff they did on the track because of the vastly improved safety at tracks and in cars. For them it was virtually no risk scalextric racing,  and still is. Previous championships required trust in each others skills and fair play to race closely and not kill yourself or your opponents. Neither they nor Verstappen would have made any impression through their bullying tactics because they simply would not have taken the real risks involved rather than merely running off the road relatively safely, or just losing the race.
For a long time we have feted F1, largely due to the hype of its publicists, and nothing to do with the turgid processions served up by drivers who drive nothing but F1 machinery. Back in the day you could watch top drivers racing sports cars or saloons at the same meet as a Grand Prix. These were true Drivers not the diminutive little car steerers of today, where most of the crucial stuff can be done remotely from the pit lane. Soon be time to leave the 'drivers' out of the equation altogether and turn it all into an arcade game.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on September 19, 2021, 09:40:20 PM
Schumaker, Senna, passable drivers, Top echelon of their era but not alone. However they are not Great drivers. Both are/were aggressive drivers who others with more sense would often give way to. They only got away with some of the stuff they did on the track because of the vastly improved safety at tracks and in cars. For them it was virtually no risk scalextric racing,  and still is. Previous championships required trust in each others skills and fair play to race closely and not kill yourself or your opponents. Neither they nor Verstappen would have made any impression through their bullying tactics because they simply would not have taken the real risks involved rather than merely running off the road relatively safely, or just losing the race.
For a long time we have feted F1, largely due to the hype of its publicists, and nothing to do with the turgid processions served up by drivers who drive nothing but F1 machinery. Back in the day you could watch top drivers racing sports cars or saloons at the same meet as a Grand Prix. These were true Drivers not the diminutive little car steerers of today, where most of the crucial stuff can be done remotely from the pit lane. Soon be time to leave the 'drivers' out of the equation altogether and turn it all into an arcade game.

Not a fan then ?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on September 19, 2021, 10:52:39 PM
Schumaker, Senna, passable drivers, Top echelon of their era but not alone. However they are not Great drivers. Both are/were aggressive drivers who others with more sense would often give way to. They only got away with some of the stuff they did on the track because of the vastly improved safety at tracks and in cars. For them it was virtually no risk scalextric racing,  and still is. Previous championships required trust in each others skills and fair play to race closely and not kill yourself or your opponents. Neither they nor Verstappen would have made any impression through their bullying tactics because they simply would not have taken the real risks involved rather than merely running off the road relatively safely, or just losing the race.
For a long time we have feted F1, largely due to the hype of its publicists, and nothing to do with the turgid processions served up by drivers who drive nothing but F1 machinery. Back in the day you could watch top drivers racing sports cars or saloons at the same meet as a Grand Prix. These were true Drivers not the diminutive little car steerers of today, where most of the crucial stuff can be done remotely from the pit lane. Soon be time to leave the 'drivers' out of the equation altogether and turn it all into an arcade game.

Senna - passable???!!!😂

I am still laughing. Best ever and would romp over today’s lot. No namby pamby rules , just got out there and drove, and he had some fantastic competition. My opinion of course 😉
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Post by: Topman on September 19, 2021, 11:07:42 PM
Senna - passable???!!!😂

I am still laughing. Best ever and would romp over today’s lot. No nanny pamby rules , just got out there and drove, and he had some fantastic competition. My opinion of course 😉




Funny I was just talking about senna and a signed book I got of his and the value it may be now, probably not that much considering the amount of things he’d of signed. Back to your point and even though I love f1 I’d love to know senna thoughts on to be able to make a pass you have to have part of the rear wing open up, I’m sure he’d be spinning in his grave with that one. I know it’s necessary as modern cars cannot pass follow very well but I’m sure he’d not agree with it.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on September 20, 2021, 11:17:50 AM
Schui wasn't passable either, (literally) he would have no qualms in running you off the road !

& championships suggests he was a bit more than "passable" as well.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on September 20, 2021, 11:44:25 AM
I think they were all up for a bit of ram raiding when it suited them. Senna and co was an absolute golden age . Schumacher took over and with the changes of modifications it has become very boring all round.

Senna wasn’t passable either! He had a very wide car when it suited him
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on September 21, 2021, 12:25:51 PM
Not a fan then ?

Been going to major national and international motor racing events, F1 and sports prototype, endurance since the early sixties, but was a fan even before I went to see me beloved Baggies, in the middle fifties. Mother used to have the Britsh GP and the Isle of Man tt races on the radio even before I was school age.

So Yes I am a fan but cannot stand the present day scalextric racing with minimal driver input and cars that stick to the track like superglue. Believe me as a spectator the top speeds mean far less than the actual racing skills in controlling the cars - the driving if you like. 200mph+ don't look that much different to 150mph, to the naked eye anyway. Would not want a return to the 2 or 3 deaths every year but something that puts more emphasis on the driver rather than the technology would make it far more enjoyable for me.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: phbaggies on September 21, 2021, 12:28:51 PM
Been going to major national and international motor racing events, F1 and sports prototype, endurance since the early sixties, but was a fan even before I went to see me beloved Baggies, in the middle fifties. Mother used to have the Britsh GP and the Isle of Man tt races on the radio even before I was school age.

So Yes I am a fan but cannot stand the present day scalextric racing with minimal driver input and cars that stick to the track like superglue. Believe me as a spectator the top speeds mean far less than the actual racing skills in controlling the cars - the driving if you like. 200mph+ don't look that much different to 150mph, to the naked eye anyway. Would not want a return to the 2 or 3 deaths every year but something that puts more emphasis on the driver rather than the technology would make it far more enjoyable for me.
100% agree, I only really watch the first couple of laps with interest these days!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on September 21, 2021, 12:38:17 PM
Senna - passable???!!!😂

I am still laughing. Best ever and would romp over today’s lot. No namby pamby rules , just got out there and drove, and he had some fantastic competition. My opinion of course 😉

Glad you enjoyed it, I chose the words carefully. Your opinion is of course equally as valid as mine or anybody else's. I don't know how far back you go with watching F1, and whilst tending to agree with you about 'today's lot", I respectfully suggest that neither Senna nor Schumaker would be anywhere near the likes of Moss, Hawthorne, Clarke, Stewart, Hill or Surtees, on the tracks they raced on, nor in the machinery they drove.

Even the likes of Nigel Mansell had no trouble 'passing' Senna. I refer you you the Spanish GP of 1991. I was lucky enough to have been there but did not see the full story until seeing it on tv back at the hotel. Wet weather, new track, at Barcelona. From 4th on the grid, Mansell eventually passed Senna with a brilliant set up and manouevre  after which they diced wheel to wheel before Mansell made it stick. Later in the race, Senna took the lead due to a slow pit stop for Mansell, who came out and was taking couple of seconds a lap out of Senna who eventually lost it and spun off. Mansell went on to win.

Just have serious doubts about how any of the Senna Shumaker mob up to the present day, would have coped with the German GP at the Nurburgring in 1962 I think. Rained all night and although it had stopped at the bottom near the start it was still showery further on up the mountain and there was mud on the track. No slicks, narrow deep cut tyres, fastest way round the quickest corners was a controlled drift just clipping the apex, Race was about 3 hours long, up and down hill, over bumpy sections, wet sections,  hundreds of gear changes with a proper mechanical box - no electric help. Driver has to adapt. Think Graham Hill won this after crashing in practice and running along a roadside ditch for a few hundred yards. Every driver that finished deserved a medal in that lot.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on September 21, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Good post Wodenson and you make some valid points.

I have been watching F1 since the late 70’s. You mention Mansell who was also in the mix at the time. I was a big Mansell fan and indeed he stood toe to toe with Senna and others. Great to see him go to Indycar the year after he won the F1 title and win the series in his rookie year. For a short period of time I think he held both championships simultaneously.

Going back to Nuremberg and 1962 I am not sure that race would ever happen today. It was a much more dangerous sport then and we have the likes of Jackie Stewart to thank for many safety measures introduced. The driver death toll in those days was alarming.

For me the decline of this sport started with Schumacher. He was next generation on from the Senna era and made the whole of F1 very boring. A very good driver but had the best car ( like Lewis) who consistently put it on pole, and then just turned most races into processions.

Comparing drivers from different eras is difficult because of the many car specification changes. Personally I was a big fan of the 3 litre turbo’s but I can understand why we had to turn them down!

I have just watched Roman Grosjean race in the Indy cart race at Laguna Seca. Often made up the numbers in F1 but went to the US after his near death experience. He came 3rd and made 27 passes. Looked as though he thoroughly enjoyed himself and fully expect him to be a serious contender next season. The cars are a lot more basic but competitive. Any driver can win on their day, something you cannot say about F1. That is why I am a fan of the Senna/Hunt/Prost/ Mansell era, because they were racers and not the passengers they seem to be in today’s cars.

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Post by: wodenson46 on September 21, 2021, 06:59:27 PM
I think which ones we regard as the greats depends a lot on who are the top dogs when we first fell in love with the sport and the immediate years after. I know I lost some interest in the sport when personal circumstances made it more difficult for me to globe trot around Europe to watch 'the circus', so my hero are those from the fifties I was reading about in Motor sport and Auto sport magazines, and throughout the sixties ones I actually saw racing.

You are right about not being able to compare like for like over the different years. The tracks such as the Nurembergring and the banking at Monza are no longer considered safe, and rightly so for the faster cars. Even Monaco has been changed, The chicane after the tunnel being the main one, which for me has reduced the spectacle and the opportunity for the good drivers to overtake. But that is progress I suppose, and it is a far better option than 3 or 4 drivers being killed every year.

Also agree with you about Shoemaker.  Generally for me now I find it all a bit boring because of the sanitised tracks, ultra sticky, safe cars, and the only penalties for 'silly bugger driving' are the losing of a few places. Maybe stronger penalties would increase the risk factor and the excitement. Something like losing all points gained for your next highest finish would encourage more skilful rather than bullying attempts to overtake.  Still watch on tv but would not travel to watch this lot.

Oh and by the way I was also a big Mansell fan, very very underrated by many, but not by those in the game.



Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 22, 2021, 08:29:44 AM
Surely the average person is in awe at the pace of technology that these geniuses  invent which filters down into cars that we all drive.
Do we really want to see all these f1 drivers driving the same engines in the same set ups?
The equipment and computer tech in my car is quite incredible in fact I don't know how to use most of it.
But the f1 guys are not only great drivers but they have to absolutely understand every inch of the car to be able to talk back to their teams and impart the tech info etc
It's not all about the fastest bestest is it?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on September 22, 2021, 09:41:02 AM
Surely the average person is in awe at the pace of technology that these geniuses  invent which filters down into cars that we all drive.
Do we really want to see all these f1 drivers driving the same engines in the same set ups?
The equipment and computer tech in my car is quite incredible in fact I don't know how to use most of it.
But the f1 guys are not only great drivers but they have to absolutely understand every inch of the car to be able to talk back to their teams and impart the tech info etc
It's not all about the fastest bestest is it?

Have you found your DRS button yet? great for overtaking on the motorway ;D

I thought the F1 championship was about the best driver, not the best car? The cars are very technical these days, and I guess it is true that some of the advancements made filter down into mass produced cars.  I am not sure that a tyre that will only last for 20 laps is cutting edge though, it is just something else for the teams to factor in and, at times prevent them from going full speed and try to actually win the race.
The idea that to overtake a car you will have to wait until you get to a DRS zone and deploy DRS to make the pass is again an example of making a simple race complicated, and boring. The cars these days are basically computers on wheels, managed by both the driver and the pit team. Like countless others I have just got bored with watching the whole procession.

Wodenson and I refer back to the earlier years of Senna/Prost/Mansell where DRS and tyre/fuel  management were not issues, and the drivers did what they were paid to do - race. Some of the circuits are equally limiting as well. I never bother to watch the race from Hungary as there is only one real passing place. For all of the romance relating to Monaco, that circuit is very limiting too, but that is partially down to the size of the cars, which seem to have become larger over the years.

At least with Verstappen on the scene Lewis has got his work cut out which can make for some entertaining racing at times, and lets face it that is what we want to see.

I much prefer to support the brits in the Indycart series, far more entertaining.

 
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Post by: liverbaggie on September 22, 2021, 09:54:46 AM
Hey sky, haha, no mate I havnt found a DRS button yet!
I'll keep looking though.
Your point about circuits is a good one I think that they all should be overtaking friendly, I can't stand this processesional sort of racing, well it's not really racing is it?
Perhaps F1 should be more like horse racing with a weights system?
I am a fan of the sport but as others have said the first 5 laps and possibly the last 5 are the most exciting of the race, perhaps they could reduce the laps, I think it does need an overhaul for viewers
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Post by: skyclad99 on September 22, 2021, 09:59:43 AM
Hey sky, haha, no mate I havnt found a DRS button yet!
I'll keep looking though.
Your point about circuits is a good one I think that they all should be overtaking friendly, I can't stand this processesional sort of racing, well it's not really racing is it?
Perhaps F1 should be more like horse racing with a weights system?
I am a fan of the sport but as others have said the first 5 laps and possibly the last 5 are the most exciting of the race, perhaps they could reduce the laps, I think it does need an overhaul for viewers

Something they do in Touring Cars

https://www.autosport.com/wtcc/news/handicap-weight-system-revised-4399125/4399125/

I can hear Lewis moaning now.......
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on September 22, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Surely the average person is in awe at the pace of technology that these geniuses  invent which filters down into cars that we all drive.
Do we really want to see all these f1 drivers driving the same engines in the same set ups?
The equipment and computer tech in my car is quite incredible in fact I don't know how to use most of it.
But the f1 guys are not only great drivers but they have to absolutely understand every inch of the car to be able to talk back to their teams and impart the tech info etc
It's not all about the fastest bestest is it?

Some good points there Liverbaggie. Have had my car for a couple of years now and still don't get the computer tech. Never ever had to use any before and tend to just ignore most of it. In fact scared to try, even the handbook is only available on the dash readout, so It has all a bit trial and error. (Dinosaur or what?)

Anyway back to FI.  Saw my first British Grand Prix in your part of the world. 1962 Aintree. Not over the jumps but the Melling crossing area was a factor.  Jim Clarke won a bit of a procession, but was already hooked so loved it.  Personally I am completely in awe of ALL the pro drivers, they have always been on a completely different planet to the rest of us in their driving abilities. But then as now all the driver is really interested in is how his car drives for him.

Agree about engine and chassis development being key factors, and that differential between teams is vital, but would just like to see a bit more stress on the ability of the driver.  Not just just to get the car round quickly, but to have to adapt without all the electronics from the pit counter, to changes in track and weather conditions. I am also far from keen on drivers being able to communicate with the hand controllers on the pit wall, let alone these controllers being able to diagnose and fix problems without a pit stop. Diagnose - ok, but alter the set up during a race without a pit stop? - no thanks

I believe tyres are one of the biggest factors in the modern f1 car and also in the difficulties of overtaking. These great lumps of sticky rubber take up so much space on the track, and bear little resemblance to anything ordinary cars will ever find a use for. However I also understand that in order to make the modern f1 cars anything like drivable these sorts of tyres are necessary. Maybe if they were a bit narrower, or had to have a tread of some sort cut into them, or had to be used for a minimum  number of laps, and probably most important if there were a number of different manufacturers. Anything to put more control in the hands of the driver.

Tracks are another issue. Safety yes paramount, but surely it would not be impossible to design a track from scratch where in most corners there would be at least 3 optional racing lines for modern cars. It's really only maths/physics problem.

Like I said earlier, maybe a bit of a dinosaur but I can remember watching starting line ups with rows of three and two on the grid, and often overtaking interest for most of the  race. B***** hell even remember seeing the old Le Mans type starts with drivers running across the track and getting into their cars which were lined up diagonally along the straight. That was exciting, but too dangerous by todays criteria. Although I don't seem to remember too many accidents at that point. Oh well how quickly things change around you when you get old.


Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2021, 12:10:21 PM
could driverless car racing become a thing?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 22, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
could driverless car racing become a thing?
already is but they’re largely conceptual events rather than full on club sports just yet.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2021, 01:08:55 PM
I still enjoy the races personally.

Its like all sports, tech moves on, it improves the game but probably takes away some of the enjoyment you remember when you first started watching it.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 22, 2021, 11:03:54 PM
I used to go banger racing with my brothers years ago, all over the country.
Will they go electric?
Will this be the end of banger racing as we know it?
These are questions that I want answers to
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2021, 01:26:44 PM
I used to go banger racing with my brothers years ago, all over the country.
Will they go electric?
Will this be the end of banger racing as we know it?
These are questions that I want answers to

Can't see banger racing with Lithium batteries, got serious risk written all over it! but then again, so has petrol I suppose.
I live about 10 miles from Swaffham raceway and the state of "stuff" going to / from there is testament to the craziness of those guys who participate in this stuff.  Nutters the lot of em.
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Post by: liverbaggie on September 24, 2021, 02:23:00 PM
Totally agree mate but fab fun eh?
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Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
Totally agree mate but fab fun eh?

I've never been, watched Youtube and seen the aftermath, there must be a lot of injuries surely ??
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on September 24, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
Strap in hold on tight and keep your eyes peeled and floor it
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Post by: wodenson46 on September 25, 2021, 06:01:06 PM
Hednesford Hills Raceway, back in the day. what a way to spend a Sunday afternoon, even when it rained. Absolute madness, especially the figure of eight finals, but some great people involved. Used to be a fifty quid limit on the spend, is this still the same?
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Post by: SmethDan on September 27, 2021, 12:56:19 AM
Hednesford Hills Raceway, back in the day. what a way to spend a Sunday afternoon, even when it rained. Absolute madness, especially the figure of eight finals, but some great people involved. Used to be a fifty quid limit on the spend, is this still the same?

No idea what the spend was but my mate's dad used to drive in the figure of eight at Hendesrord.  He drove cars in out and out banger racing and the hot rods too.

Took us out in one of his cars on a warm up lap once whilst we flew about in the back as he drove around the potholed track at speed. No helmets or seatbelts for us of course.

Today's safety elves would have had a collective heart attack. We thought it was brilliant though but at the same time it may explain 'one or two' of the more head banging life choices I've made over the years.

Battered dome effect  ;) .
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Post by: BaggieBoy04 on September 27, 2021, 09:29:09 PM
No idea what the spend was but my mate's dad used to drive in the figure of eight at Hendesrord.  He drove cars in out and out banger racing and the hot rods too.

Took us out in one of his cars on a warm up lap once whilst we flew about in the back as he drove around the potholed track at speed. No helmets or seatbelts for us of course.

Today's safety elves would have had a collective heart attack. We thought it was brilliant though but at the same time it may explain 'one or two' of the more head banging life choices I've made over the years.

Battered dome effect  ;) .
There was a banger racing garage that had a few white blokes and there kids working on old Micras and stuff. It was located on the Darlaston Road in the row if Garages next to what used be to Servis it was the end one next to the former Three Crowns Pub, now I think it is an illegal Chop Shop as there was a dusty old Nissan Skyline in there and an Audi RS5 at a guess with Brake Lights stripped parked out front. Wouldn't be surprised as around the corner on Bright Street I walked past once when the garage was open saw loads of cars there with bumpers and stuff and a Bloke once said what you looking at. Shame if the Banger Racer place has gone was going to ask if I could have a look and maybe help out learn how to fix a car. I am into Cars and have seen Banger Racing on Youtube or seeing people destroy old Bangers on Youtube looked fun.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on November 13, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
Hamilton disqualified will start at the back of the grid  :D
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on November 14, 2021, 07:12:38 PM
I know many people dislike Hamilton, and I’m not sure why, but I challenge anyone to tell me the drive today and yesterday to get up from last to fifth in about 23 laps to make today’s win possible is one of the greatest of all time. Only a handful of drivers ever could of done what he’s done today and certainly none are on the grid currently. People say he has the best car but this season clearly not and his team mate was nowhere. I think today’s without doubt proves he’s one of not the greatest of all time
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on November 14, 2021, 07:15:30 PM
Agreed today was superb and would add Verstappen is likely going to kill someone if he carries on as he did today !
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on November 14, 2021, 10:25:48 PM
One of the great drives from one of the greatest ever. It beggars belief that Verstappen escaped a penalty; hope Hamilton crushes the little squirt in the final races.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on November 15, 2021, 07:12:18 AM
I am not a Hamilton fan, but that was class yesterday.

I hope he goes on to win the title, I used to like Verstappen but he is showing his true colours now.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on November 15, 2021, 08:57:56 AM
Hamilton's performance was a faultless driving masterclass from our 7 time and current  world champion, a true great who I think will become the greatest F1 driver, a true racer.
Verstappen has always been a dangerous driver who put other drivers at risk, mind you so did MC.
I really hope Hamilton goes on to become an 8 timer.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wbastrollers on November 15, 2021, 01:02:00 PM
I am not a Hamilton fan, but that was class yesterday.

I hope he goes on to win the title, I used to like Verstappen but he is showing his true colours now.

I’m afraid Verstappen has been a danger to other drivers for some time, particularly Hamilton - unless the stewards crack down on him, there will be a serious accident in the not too distant future. The Red Bull has the acceleration, the Mercedes the straight line speed. Therefore, Verstappen will have the advantage at the start even from the second row. Hamilton will have to just stick to the race line and let Verstappen take all the risks which he will!
Hamilton has a big advantage on the undertake as long as Verstappen doesn’t get too far in front when they go in for a tyre change.
I’m not convinced that Verstappen can mentally cope with Hamilton behind him waiting like a ‘ Damacles sword’ to pounce and chop him at any time!!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on November 15, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Think you have the truth of it there Strollers. Hamilton is the master at the moment, and he taught Verstappen a lesson at Sao Paulo.  After the first attempt to get by, which to my mind was illegally and maybe even dangerously blocked by Verstappen, Hamilton played him like fish on a line by showing him the nose of his Merc at different places and on either side so that the young pretender had not got a clue when or where the real move was going to come.

He could do nothing about it when Hamilton decided the time and place was right, and the way Verstappen got left behind supports Strollers suggestion that he does not have the mentality to cope with the challenge of battling it out with such an experienced and brilliant driver as Lewis Hamilton.

It was very reminiscent of the way Nigel Mansell regularly got past Senna or Shoemaker who often used similar tactics to Verstappen to try to keep a lead. Although never a favourite of mine, Hamilton is truly one of the great f1 drivers. His world championships, and his ability both in and out of the car to to get the best out of the team and the set up is up there with the best.

Hope he goes on now to win his 8th, It would be well deserved, and if we get races as good as we got yesterday, very interesting. Maybe interesting enough to get me back to a few European races next season.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 05, 2021, 09:14:37 PM
I've said it before about Verstappen he is a bad driver.
His antics today could have been catastrophic for Lewis.
I'm happy that Lewis won the race.
I think that Verstappen is a dirty street fighter who will stop at nothing to prevent Hamilton getting the title
I think he is a dangerous driver who should be severely censured for either this race or the final race, he could get someone killed, the authorities must act.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 06, 2021, 07:46:12 AM
I've said it before about Verstappen he is a bad driver.
His antics today could have been catastrophic for Lewis.
I'm happy that Lewis won the race.
I think that Verstappen is a dirty street fighter who will stop at nothing to prevent Hamilton getting the title
I think he is a dangerous driver who should be severely censured for either this race or the final race, he could get someone killed, the authorities must act.

Fully agree liverbaggie.

Incredible race for many reasons, so pleased that Hamilton's professionalism shone through and he won the race. As you say Verstappen is going to get someone killed soon.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 06, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
Verstappen seems to have gotten away with it really mate.
He should have been put to the back of the grid for this race or the final one.
I mean if he drove like that in an ordinary road on ordinary roads he would be banned from driving,.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggiedom on December 06, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
Agreed, theres hard racing thens there's reckless, unfortunately max is reckless this year fairnplay to lewis to getting out the way. Makes you wonder what max is going to try in the final race
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 06, 2021, 10:30:07 AM
The answer is he's a desperate man he will do or try anything to win
Hes an ignorant guy and does not have the humility or  class that goes with the title of a world champion.
You saw him walk away without a glance or regard to Lewis's health when he parked his red bull on top the Mercedes a few races ago then last night he just walked off the podium without celebrating etc
Anybody can drive like an idiot
Slamming his brakes on to allow Hamilton to be able to reclaim the lead when only he k ew he had a position change order that Lewis didn't know about, he's nasty
I really hope that Lewis is stronger mentally than Verstappen and I think that will be his downfall next week
Lewis will win his 8th world title to become, I believe the greatest ever
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 06, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
The answer is he's a desperate man he will do or try anything to win
Hes an ignorant guy and does not have the humility or  class that goes with the title of a world champion.
You saw him walk away without a glance or regard to Lewis's health when he parked his red bull on top the Mercedes a few races ago then last night he just walked off the podium without celebrating etc
Anybody can drive like an idiot
Slamming his brakes on to allow Hamilton to be able to reclaim the lead when only he k ew he had a position change order that Lewis didn't know about, he's nasty
I really hope that Lewis is stronger mentally than Verstappen and I think that will be his downfall next week
Lewis will win his 8th world title to become, I believe the greatest ever

Has that been proven yet?

He is in big trouble if he did that.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on December 06, 2021, 11:38:58 AM
Its obvious what he did to Lewis with the braking and then the acceleration.....He is good enough to win without the bad driving. It looks like someone willing to do anything to win a world title.

I think Lewis will win next weekend.....
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggiedom on December 06, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
Channel 4 interviewed horrner at end sure he said its not as if max braked hard, so obviously he dud brake which im sure in these cars a lift off is usually enough. Hopefully merc lock out the front row because i wudnt want desperate max near him at first corner
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: zac on December 06, 2021, 12:10:57 PM
Has that been proven yet?

He is in big trouble if he did that.

Yes the FIA said that he de-accelerated by 2.4g so gave him a 10 second penalty which didn't effect where he finished. Yesterday i felt that Max just wanted to take them both out and he never ever yields in any situation at all.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 06, 2021, 12:12:35 PM
Channel 4 interviewed horrner at end sure he said its not as if max braked hard, so obviously he dud brake which im sure in these cars a lift off is usually enough. Hopefully merc lock out the front row because i wudnt want desperate max near him at first corner
I wouldn’t be watching for Max, I’d be watching for Checo.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 06, 2021, 12:22:08 PM
Vestappen wants to win at any and all cost and without regard for others.

He comes across as a very petulant individual in all aspects of his personal and professional life.

From what I have read about his father, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: zac on December 06, 2021, 12:59:21 PM
Vestappen wants to win at any and all cost and without regard for others.

He comes across as a very petulant individual in all aspects of his personal and professional life.

From what I have read about his father, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

I think this is the issue, his dad really isn't the best role model. He has said some pretty outlandish things about Hamilton in the last few weeks/months even saying that his assistant was giving him some sort of tablet to take in the car (implying it wasn't legal). The problem you have is that as long as Max isn't penalised correctly for how he drives he will carry on doing it.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 06, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
I've said it before about Verstappen he is a bad driver.
His antics today could have been catastrophic for Lewis.
I'm happy that Lewis won the race.
I think that Verstappen is a dirty street fighter who will stop at nothing to prevent Hamilton getting the title
I think he is a dangerous driver who should be severely censured for either this race or the final race, he could get someone killed, the authorities must act.

Should have been black flagged immediately after the brake testing incident due to his consistent reckless driving and earlier incidents in this race. Big fine and grid position punishment for the next race, in order to prevent him gaining any benefit from taking both cars off. Something I believe he and particularly his team manager would be more than prepared to do.

I am not apportioning all of the blame to Verstappen for his present desperate racing style. Mr Horner has had a great influence this season particularly, and seems to have tapped into a genetic disrespectful familial driving and behavioural style.

What the hell was the race director doing haggling with Horner over the punishment? If I were Hamilton and Mercedes I would also be keeping a careful eye on Perez during the next qualifying sessions as well as the race.  Needs Val to be riding shotgun.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 06, 2021, 02:22:19 PM
Hey Wodenson, totally agree.
Horner is tapping into Verstappen's ignorance and blatent disregard for the rules.
There should be no discussion between race officials and principles it leaves very serious questions for me.
Officials make the decision based on what they see/know no cosy chats
I think that Lewis must go all out for pole next week with Bottas pos 2 then keep out of any trouble, easier said though eh?
Red Bull would be OK if they were at the fair on the bumping car rides
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 06, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
What is bugging me is the fact that Verstappen and Red Bull have not in any way been effectively penalised even though Verstappen has been deemed to be driving in an unfair and dangerous manner, and backed by the telemetric evidence. The imposition of a meaningless time penalty which made no difference to points won in a race already over, is nothing more than a cop out by the race director and stewards.  Nothing they have done will discourage drivers from putting others in danger through selfish and dangerous driving. Red Bull's sponsors must have a great deal of influence with race officials, to be able to get their team treated so leniently so often.

Even real names like Senna have been black-flagged for this sort of behaviour back in the day, (late 80's or early 90's I think. EDIT. can't remember if it was before or after Mansell stood Senna against the garage wall and threatened to put his head through it.) and fined a serious amount of money as well as a one race ban. What has changed? As the team with the greatest grievance, Mercedes and their contacts should be all over this and pushing hard for a more meaningful punishment even if it means Verstappen's chances of winning a title are reduced. For their behaviour this season it would be no more than they deserve.

To keep the last race interesting it might be a good idea to let it be understood that Red Bull are under close scrutiny and any infringement from either of their cars/drivers will result in additional retrospective action which might deprive them of the championship should they actually win it.


Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 06, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
Here here mate
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 09, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
Sundays race live on Channel 4
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wbastrollers on December 09, 2021, 07:03:07 PM
Well what’s the tactics going to be? is pole imperative?
Hamilton and Mercks know this circuit. I believe Hamilton has won it 5or 6 times .
He must be favourite - how will the Flying  Dutchman handle the Champion!
Absolutely fascinating!!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: zac on December 09, 2021, 08:43:48 PM
I'm really looking forward to the race on Sunday. The changes they have made to the track do help out Lewis/Mercedes which is great so i'm hoping for a Lewis/Bottas front row and then for him to sail off into the sunset for an easy victory.

I just have this horrible feeling that if he has to overtake Max at some point he will cause an accident instead of letting Lewis pass him.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 10, 2021, 08:00:22 AM
As I said previously, Lewis is a racer and is stronger willed than Verstappen, who is a dangerous driver in the truest meaning of the word.
If he starts his weaving on track to prevent an overtake or cutting in over corner ramps he should be severely censured during the race, 10 second stop/start, not at end of race.
Verstappen will stop at nothing to win, thats not what being a racing driver is all about, win by pure racing skills not by putting lives in danger which is what he does, he intimidates and frightens others on the track, he's petulant and ignorant, like his father, got no class.
Lewis for me in a pure race,to become the greatest of all time in my view, a proud English man on top of the world.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 10, 2021, 09:35:12 AM
Hamilton is a good driver, no doubt, but the greatest of all time  :o :o

Personally I hope Verstappen walks it, if only for a change.

It would help if Hamilton was more likeable, with a bit of personality
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 10, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
Just my personal opinion mate, don't you want an English man to win, Where's your patriotism?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 10, 2021, 10:28:10 AM
Just my personal opinion mate, don't you want an English man to win, Where's your patriotism?
Most of the cars are more British than Hamilton nowadays but in reference to this season its down to the point where whoever is better will take the title, the way it should be. I’m just happy that someone can compete this year even if the car can’t quite match up.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 10, 2021, 10:39:34 AM
Hamilton is a good driver, no doubt, but the greatest of all time  :o :o

Personally I hope Verstappen walks it, if only for a change.

It would help if Hamilton was more likeable, with a bit of personality
hes the greatest by measurable stats (trophies/wins/podiums etc) but that also ties in the kit he’s driving. When you look at his equally good if not better contemporaries (Alonso/Raikkonen/Vettel and yes… potentially Verstappen) it’s a case of huge talent bottlenecked by poor mechanics.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 10, 2021, 11:05:09 AM
Hey hunnigngton, would you mind elaborating on your comment that cars are more British than Hamilton please, just for the avoidence of doubt.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 10, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
Hey hunnigngton, would you mind elaborating on your comment that cars are more British than Hamilton please, just for the avoidence of doubt.
the guy has no ties to this nation, he lives his life in Monaco or Switzerland and is only ever here to promote himself.

The cars on the other hand barring 2 (I think?) are all researched, designed and made here, they keep people employed and help British industry and carry on the identity we have of ourselves. They matter to the people of this nation a whole lot more than Hamilton who outside of a weekend every year forgets this island exists.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 10, 2021, 11:44:57 AM
Hunnigngton mate, has no ties?
He always promotes the union flag right?
He was born in Stevenage.
Hes a proud English man, ive never mentioned British, you have.
He is an icon to this country' Black population and budding young drivers.
Your only point being he doesn't live in UK, is quite frankly pathetic and insular, so you condemn a person for not living here, it's his choice same as you.
West bromwich or Monaco which would you choose?
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Post by: leeiswba on December 10, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
Hunnigngton mate, has no ties?
He always promotes the union flag right?
He was born in Stevenage.
Hes a proud English man, ive never mentioned British, you have.
He is an icon to this country' Black population and budding young drivers.
Your only point being he doesn't live in UK, is quite frankly pathetic and insular, so you condemn a person for not living here, it's his choice same as you.
West bromwich or Monaco which would you choose?

I agree, so does this mean English football players etc like Jude Bellingham no longer have any ties to this country, never heard that viewpoint in my life to be honest
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Post by: tommcneill on December 10, 2021, 01:38:22 PM
the guy has no ties to this nation, he lives his life in Monaco or Switzerland and is only ever here to promote himself.

The cars on the other hand barring 2 (I think?) are all researched, designed and made here, they keep people employed and help British industry and carry on the identity we have of ourselves. They matter to the people of this nation a whole lot more than Hamilton who outside of a weekend every year forgets this island exists.

I dont think ive ever seen such a poorly worded comment.

Born here, grew up here, drives for here and lives in another country but that means he has no ties here??..other than his family, friends, team etc.

So if i was to move to Australia I no longer have any ties to this nation?

Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 10, 2021, 01:41:50 PM
Most of the cars are more British than Hamilton nowadays but in reference to this season its down to the point where whoever is better will take the title, the way it should be. I’m just happy that someone can compete this year even if the car can’t quite match up.

Yes most of the cars have a great deal of British knowhow, development, and engineering in them and are essentially based on original British designs. Engines are Italian, French, German or Japanese build, so there is a lot of British influence in what keeps the cars on the track, gets them round the corners and stops them etc, but not so much on what powers them.

What I do have is a small issue with your assertion that the red bull does not match the Mercedes. It seems that Mercedes are faster in a straight line but the Red Bulls get around the twisty bits better. This is usually more due to how an individual driver will set up the car rather than an inherent specific advantage in design. Obviously Verstappen likes a bit more grip and downforce which makes it easier to get around the corners, but to get this he has to sacrifice some straight line speed. Hamilton on the other hand seems to prefer a less stable car that his ability to drive through the corners keeps him in with a chance to use the extra straight line speed on the straights.

As I have said before, I have a serious concern that the failure of the authorities to mete out the proper justified punishments for Verstappen's consistently dangerous antics over the season has done nothing to prevent him deciding to take both himself and Hamilton off the track to win the championship. Therefore the advantage is firmly on the side of Verstappen for this final race, and it certainly does not come down to the point where 'whoever is better will take the title'.

EDIT: By the way I am not a fan of Hamilton's personal ideologies myself, nor the way he expresses them, in fact mine are probably the polar opposite. But his ability in the team and in the car is up there with the very best, and I am proud to see him flying the British flag any day.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 10, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
I am not a Hamilton fan either, but I want him to win on Sunday and become an 8 times world champion. He has been the complete professional compared to 'Racer Boy'

Regarding his 'Britishness', he flies the UK flag at races, respects our national anthem and never says anything derogatory about the UK. He is paid handsomely for risking his life and as far as I am concerned he can live where he wants, he deserves it.   
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 10, 2021, 04:24:30 PM
I'm not a fan of Hamilton in particular either, but I'd also like to see him get 8 over MV.

Regardless, given the current state of F1 and Hamilton's age, I expect MV to ultimately become the world champion on multiple occassions. A lot can change with teams, cars, tech etc, but I wouldnt rule out MV getting close to Hamilton's 8 either.

He isnt a likeable character, but he has a ruthlessness which is shown in his driving that will probably take him a long way.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 10:31:24 AM
Ready lads?
 I wanted a merc 1& 2 proved not to be
I think redbull drive close to the wind on all aspects of racing, they're desperado and fly in the face of the rules
I saw in final qualifying that to me was illegal and that was the free tow from Perez for Verstappen on his flying lap to get pole.
I think that should be banned
I can't believe thats allowed
I don't want any cosy chats from race officials to managers during the race again
I'm concerned that redbull might take Lewis out
If Verstappen wins I think he will be the most unliked and not respected champion who cheated his way to the title, with a little help from officialdom
Comon Lewis
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on December 12, 2021, 12:22:16 PM
Max wins its on merit. hes won the most races with not the fastest car. if hes cheated how? getting a tow down the straights is what all teams do not just F1 same in moto gp. Come on Max , cant stand Lewis .
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 12, 2021, 12:49:22 PM
Max wins its on merit. hes won the most races with not the fastest car. if hes cheated how? getting a tow down the straights is what all teams do not just F1 same in moto gp. Come on Max , cant stand Lewis .

Max does not win on merit. This season he has been allowed a lot more freedom than any other driver I have ever seen in over 50 years to behave in a dangerous fashion. After three, repeat THREE, major offences in this last race alone he is still racing only because of the cowardly actions of the race director and stewards. Over the season he has used very doubtful tactics in races for which he has been censored but not punished.  In times past Verstappen would have been black flagged in the last race alone and scored zero points, with a carried forward further punishment ranging from minor time additions or grid position push backs to points deductions or complete disqualification. Verstappen is a very lucky little boy to still be allowed to challenge for the championship.

As for winning races when not having the fastest car, that is complete nonsense.  If the Red Bull is slower it is because he has set it up like that, so he can get it round the corners, because he is not faster overall than Hamilton with a lively car. This is why he has to resort to his methods when another car is close enough through the twisty bits to match him on the straights and the entry into the next corner. Basically if he and his team are not cheating, are sailing closer to the wind than most of us find acceptable.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 12:50:16 PM
Wow I didn't realise about the tow on final qualifying, really?
Are you a brit?
If so why aren't you patriotic mate?
Lewis is a clean racer your man isnt end of
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on December 12, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
Wow I didn't realise about the tow on final qualifying, really?
Are you a brit?
If so why aren't you patriotic mate?
Lewis is a clean racer your man isnt end of
yes your allowed a tow they all do it . cant stand Lewis for reasons not going to talk about on here, yes patriotic but all about personal choice
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 01:01:52 PM
If your a brit you must support our brit, your bitterness towards Lewis is meaningless mate, talk about the skills, and I mean fair skills
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on December 12, 2021, 01:03:22 PM
Lewis has the faster car fact look at his top speeds through the speed traps. Max has wrong the neck out that redbull and has had some bad luck. tyre failed when winning. put in the tyre wall by Lewis .
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: smosher34 on December 12, 2021, 01:05:09 PM
If your a brit you must support our brit, your bitterness towards Lewis is meaningless mate, talk about the skills, and I mean fair skills
so i should support Lewsi as hes British, rubbish , i was a massive Rossi fan so saying i shouldnt as he was from Italy
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 12, 2021, 01:14:16 PM
Looks like the officials have given Hamilton the victory already, drives off the track when he could’ve stayed on after leaving the door wide open and gains a full second of advantage with it.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 12, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
so i should support Lewsi as hes British, rubbish , i was a massive Rossi fan so saying i shouldnt as he was from Italy
I'm with you regarding Hamilton.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: bosh on December 12, 2021, 01:21:40 PM
Pulisball or formula one. Think I would rather watch pulisball.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 12, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
If your a brit you must support our brit, your bitterness towards Lewis is meaningless mate, talk about the skills, and I mean fair skills

Personally I’m going to have to disagree with any patriotism for patriotisms sake. I support British national teams, but not always British individuals. Where individuals are concerned it tends to be much more about details such as whether I like them or not, or who they are competing against. 
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 12, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
What a way to decide a championship. Doesn’t seem right. Certainly no sporting integrity in what has happened.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 12, 2021, 02:47:19 PM
If your a brit you must support our brit, your bitterness towards Lewis is meaningless mate, talk about the skills, and I mean fair skills
Never heard such rubbish in my life
I'm as patriotic as the next man, but I can't stand Hamilton. Not in the same class as Scumacher, who dragged Ferrari to the top after they had been in the doldrums, unlike Hamilton who went straight into a very good car
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 12, 2021, 02:48:28 PM
What a way to decide a championship. Doesn’t seem right. Certainly no sporting integrity in what has happened.
its a difficult one, by regulations they should have let the lapped cars go much earlier but wanted the race to finish as a race. Officials weren’t good the whole race. One bad decision at the very start nearly gifted the race to Lewis, and another at the end took it away.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 12, 2021, 02:57:15 PM
its a difficult one, by regulations they should have let the lapped cars go much earlier but wanted the race to finish as a race. Officials weren’t good the whole race. One bad decision at the very start nearly gifted the race to Lewis, and another at the end took it away.

Is it that difficult? Over 55 laps, one guy has a 10 second lead, the ‘rules’ are then used to conspire to create a meaningful finish and a single lap face off.

Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: kc56wba on December 12, 2021, 03:00:09 PM
Lewis was robbed by race control. >:(
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on December 12, 2021, 03:00:43 PM
I have watched f1 for years. It seems sometimes things are engineered to make situations happen. But that’s f1. Hamilton won his first on the last corner, this one he lost. He’ll be back I’m sure
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 12, 2021, 03:02:42 PM
 Sometimes in football success or failure can happen in the last seconds of the last game but in the light of day, it's what happened over the season that determines how the season ends.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 12, 2021, 03:07:06 PM
Sometimes in football success or failure can happen in the last seconds of the last game but in the light of day, it's what happened over the season that determines how the season ends.

That’s not comparable to what happened today. Over the season they were level. It’s absolutely what happened At the death that decided today.



Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 12, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
That’s not comparable to what happened today. Over the season they were level. It’s absolutely what happened At the death that decided today.
I personally didn't see it  I'm not a big fan of F1 so don't understand the rules if he was hard done by that happens in Sport and in life.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 12, 2021, 03:14:44 PM
The first incident was a case of one driver happy to crash two cars out and one that wanted to race. Not the first time in this season nor in the sport particularly since Senna and the kraut cobbler

The dodgy Dutchman and his motley crew get yet another changed decision in their favour. Getting more like the premier league every season. Never seen it done like that before after safety car. Pure Red Bull sh***

The written rule is that ALL lapped cars be allowed to unlap themselves under the safety car. They have made it up as they go along this season, usually under pressure from Geri Halliwell's husband
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 03:26:14 PM
Schumacher was a dangerous driver mate,like Verstappen or didn't you notice?
What I meant about patriotism is if a brit is going for a world title and you are a brit yourself, in my opinion, you should get behind the brit and want him to win, regardless of whether you like him or not, thats my opinion and I don't think it's rubbish
The race director showed no respect for the man who led fairly comfortably for the previous 57 laps, Where's the fairness in that and changing his decision within minutes was crazy
Ive heard from everyone except Mercedes benz, I think they were robbed
All this guff about redbull ganbling with tyre change under safety car, so what they had nothing to lose at that point
Anyway, looking forward to next season now, thats if it is really over, well see
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: kc56wba on December 12, 2021, 03:37:50 PM
Mercedes have lodged complaints.  ;)
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: gavinrussell on December 12, 2021, 03:40:17 PM
Masi should apply for a job at St George's Park..always seen himself as bigger than the sport...
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: tommcneill on December 12, 2021, 04:21:16 PM
Im no Lewis fanboy, i like both drivers for what they are.

Lewis Hamilton was robbed today. Rules not adhered too, and, a what, 19 second gap reduced by the safety car.

Daylight robbery. Hope Mercedes lodge the complaint and get it won.

That all being said Max is a worthy champion
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
I agree tomm' but Verstappen is certainly not a worthy champion IMHO, how can he be he with run  deliberately into cars that get in his way, he's an adult bumping car driver!
Even if Verstappen had been allowed to take fisrt place after hitting Hamilton his tyre would still have gone in the first 10/12 laps and I think Lewis would have got his lead back before 10 laps because his tyres would still have gone.
So that argument is an irrelivence.
Remember when he took out Hamilton a few races ago and parked his car literally on top of Lewis car, he didn't even have the decency sportsmanship to go over to Lewis just to make sure he was okay, he walked without even looking across
Hes got no class nor did his dad
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 12, 2021, 05:23:21 PM
Mercedes lodge protest after Verstappen wins F1 world title from thrilling last-lap overtake

I doubt it will come to much.

As far as this race goes, morally, I think Lewis was the winner, but hey, when have morals counted for anything when big money is involved
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: gerry m on December 12, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
Mercedes lodge protest after Verstappen wins F1 world title from thrilling last-lap overtake

I doubt it will come to much.

As far as this race goes, morally, I think Lewis was the winner, but hey, when have morals counted for anything when big money is involved

Exactly!. That's why i stopped watching F1 after the Schumacher/Barrichello 'Race'.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 12, 2021, 06:33:05 PM
A most unsatisfactory conclusion for F1 fans to what should have been the best sporting spectacle of the year and in F1 history, but spoilt by a Race Director that can make ad hoc decisions.

Chin up Lewis and onto next season and becoming a record breaking 8th World Championships winner 💪🏽👍🏽
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Andio on December 12, 2021, 07:46:50 PM
Still not calmed yet, what a complete farce that ending was.

It won't be Hamiltons title in the records but in my mind it will always be that it should have been.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 12, 2021, 07:51:43 PM
So happy for Max provided the result stands

I hope the FIA don't show their usual favouritism to Hamilton
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: mulliganstired on December 12, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
Exactly!. That's why i stopped watching F1 after the Schumacher/Barrichello 'Race'.
It was about then I gave up too.  Can you imagine telling James Hunt or Nikki Lauda to give up a place because their overtaking was a bit dodgy.  It's a joke now, all about gaming the rules, tyre changes etc.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 12, 2021, 10:18:47 PM
So happy for Max provided the result stands

I hope the FIA don't show their usual favouritism to Hamilton

Where the **** is your evidence for such nonsense
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 12, 2021, 10:25:30 PM
Where the **** is your evidence for such nonsense

I thought that might provoke a reaction from the Hamilton lovers  :D :D
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 12, 2021, 10:26:53 PM
A most unsatisfactory conclusion for F1 fans to what should have been the best sporting spectacle of the year and in F1 history, but spoilt by a Race Director that can make ad hoc decisions.

Chin up Lewis and onto next season and becoming a record breaking 8th World Championships winner 💪🏽👍🏽

Agreed, complete nonsense end to the season, I am not Hamilton's biggest fan but he was cheated out of the win in my opinion.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 12, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Hey baggie 58, you are entitled to your view and opinion mate, did you just make that comment to provoke people or do you really believe what you say?
Either way thats a weird way of thinking man
I realise you have some hangups about Lewis but I don't like the words you use man
You speak to provoke?
You must be an Adrian Durham  clone
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2021, 05:20:54 AM
After years of not watching F1 I had become interested again this season, only to witness that farce yesterday.

By their own admittance Red Bull said that they could not get near Hamilton and his pace, and required a miracle. That 'miracle' turned out to be Masi in race control.

I would not have minded had Verstappen won fair and square, but that really is the equivalent of the ref throwing the ball in the net himself and giving a goal.

   
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: sean wba on December 13, 2021, 05:39:14 AM
There's only one driver who deserved to win yesterday and that is max verstappen #33. a championship is not won on one race, it's a marathon. He deserved it over the hole season. It's about time there's been a proper driver giving everyone entertainment and max verstappen as delivered. It was a fitting end to a great season.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggies_24 on December 13, 2021, 07:03:47 AM
That was a farce yesterday if Masi was going to do what he did he should have given Mercedes the option to pit Hamilton to put fresh tyres on & allowed him to come back out in front. I get what Masi was trying to do so that the season wouldn’t have ended behind a safety car which no-one wanted to see but he completely disregarded the rules to hand Max a massive advantage.

He got both big calls wrong on the night Lewis should have had to give the place up on the 1st lap & that at the end was handing a driver the win on a plate.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: phbaggies on December 13, 2021, 09:15:38 AM
There's only one driver who deserved to win yesterday and that is max verstappen #33. a championship is not won on one race, it's a marathon. He deserved it over the hole season. It's about time there's been a proper driver giving everyone entertainment and max verstappen as delivered. It was a fitting end to a great season.
Except it was won on one race, as they was on level points over the season coming into this race?? No objection to MV winning, it was the manner (he did nothing wrong) but to allow a driver to get a fresh set of tyres, and move all the cars out of his way and get that 11 second lead wiped, is harsh on Hamilton to say the least, he led the race for 57 and a half laps!!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 13, 2021, 09:34:15 AM
Nothing against Max, it is not his fault that what happened happened, but you may as well view F1 in the same manner as WWE now, it is sports entertainment, not sport. To have one man (Masi) manipulate a situation to ensure that it is a one lap shootout for the Championship after 57 laps and countless races throughout the season which is tipped in favour of the bloke who has a completely new set of tyres is just an utter farce I'm afraid.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2021, 10:11:20 AM
Except it was won on one race, as they was on level points over the season coming into this race?? No objection to MV winning, it was the manner (he did nothing wrong) but to allow a driver to get a fresh set of tyres, and move all the cars out of his way and get that 11 second lead wiped, is harsh on Hamilton to say the least, he led the race for 57 and a half laps!!

Hamilton had the option of new tyres as well but would have lost the place. I have no issue with that really, had the four cars that Lewis had to pass prior to the SC remained in position then MV would never have caught him. The Mercedes strategy was torn up by Masi unfortunately.

The four cars were fighting for positions when they went to unlap themselves under yellow and they could not overtake each other, so it was a pointless exercise really.

Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggies_24 on December 13, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
Hamilton had the option of new tyres as well but would have lost the place. I have no issue with that really, had the four cars that Lewis had to pass prior to the SC remained in position then MV would never have caught him. The Mercedes strategy was torn up by Masi unfortunately.

The four cars were fighting for positions when they went to unlap themselves under yellow and they could not overtake each other, so it was a pointless exercise really.



Completely right Mercedes argument for not pitting him would have been if they followed the rules properly Max would have had to pass those cars even under blue flags he wouldn’t have got to Hamilton by the end of the lap, or had the cars unlapped themselves the race would have finished under a safety car as the safety car would have come in the next lap.

I get what Masi was trying to do to ensure the race didn’t finish under a safety car but by not following these rules Masi handed Red Bull a massive competitive advantage. I think Mercedes have a very valid case with CAS.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Nickwba1 on December 13, 2021, 11:56:08 AM
The big thing for CAS will be interpreting the rule that enabled Masi to make the decision to override and was there a precedent of this happening. Never (as far as I'm aware) have only a selected group of cars been enabled to unlap; in which case Mercedes cant strategize based on what one man might do. If the rules and precedent were followed there can be no argument. To change it for one race is just wrong.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 13, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
Lewis has the faster car fact look at his top speeds through the speed traps. Max has wrong the neck out that redbull and has had some bad luck. tyre failed when winning. put in the tyre wall by Lewis .

No facts there at all. Top speeds through the traps depend on approach speeds, Hamilton is a faster and cleaner driver than Verstappen and I will repeat, he  has the car set up to be more difficult to drive round the corners but faster on the straights, so he makes up for lack of car stickiness in the corners through his ability to drive it and is faster on the straights which gives a faster lap. Verstappen has to put more downforce on the wing because he is less skilled than Hamilton and so he can get it round the corners, but therefore cannot match the Mercedes on the straights. Running as much downforce on the corners as Verstappen does should give him an advantage when cornering but the fact is he has not shown this, his car apparently tends to drift very wide when being challenged; and has almost caused a number of accidents FACT.

As for Verstappen ending up in the tyre wall it was entirely of his own making as Hamilton took him on at his own game and beat him. Hamilton has far faster reactions than Verstappen (see the start today for instance)  and this has saved a serious incident on more than one occasion. Verstappen is a very good racer and may well eventually justify a champions place more than once, but his driving this season has not been fair. In most other seasons he would have received meaningful penalties for it, which would have taken him much further back in the running and would not have allowed him to risk taking both cars off the track in this final race. Something which had a great effect on the way this race panned out. Add to this the apparent need for the race controller to make up his own rules as he pleased in order to create a spectacle the tv mob wanted, rather than two talented drivers and their teams fighting it out on merit. We now have this farcical end to the season with the wrong man crowned champion.

You may not like Hamilton, this is your prerogative. It so happens that I am also not anywhere close to him in his outspoken attitudes and the fact he seems to need to take sides. But as a motor sports fan I will give him credit for being a highly talented and generally fair racer, who should have taken his 8th world championship this season and had it taken away by poor decisions from race control and stewards. Some might say corrupt but I could not possibly comment
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 13, 2021, 03:20:54 PM
I can't understand how anyone can agree with the decision.

With 5 laps to go, the Redbull Principle says they need a miracle as LH had built a lead that even with favorable tires, MV would take 20 laps to catch.  A 'miracle' occurred but it was not down to sporting skill by MV, or sporting blunders by LH. It was entirely due to an unprecedented act by the officials.

Even accepting that in motor sports there are none contending participants on the track that can affect results (such as by crashing) you have to expect the officials to act as they always have done.

You don't always get what you deserve in sport, but you expect it to attempt to be fair, Whether you like LH or not, that is was not.

I don't expect the result to be changed but it really is a farce.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2021, 03:41:43 PM
That race and the decision that led to the outcome will be discussed for years to come, because we all know that it was wrong.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 13, 2021, 04:49:52 PM
Can Hamilton's team sue the person who didn't apply the rules legally?
If they were told that this was going to happen, maybe they will reverse their decision, and see that rules are there to be accepted and not altered during a race.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 13, 2021, 05:00:20 PM
Can Hamilton's team sue the person who didn't apply the rules legally?
If they were told that this was going to happen, maybe they will reverse their decision, and see that rules are there to be accepted and not altered during a race.

Easiest way of explaining it DB is that it is a 'grey area'. What he did was not technically wrong, and I think it is in the guidance under para 15 that ultimately the race director has the final say.

If the lapped cars are allowed to unlap themselves then the safety car must come in on the following lap. That did not happen yesterday, there was a late decision to send the 4 cars off and once they were out of site the race restarted. Again that guidance is overruled by para 15. 

A complete farce - the whole organisation have made themselves look unprofessional..
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 13, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Hey guys what about this as a suggestion
You all know what I think of the result so I don't need to expand on it
But my radical suggestion is and it's unprecedented and ive heard no one else in the world offer it as a compromise solution and it's this.
Make Lewis & Verstappen joint world champions!
End of story and recriminations
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 13, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
The FAI Rules, Articles and recitals are contradictory and do neutralise each other and that is the problem. May be that was deliberate when they were drawn up and for obvious reasons.

They allowed the Race Director to make the ad hoc decision he made yesterday and still remain within the spirit of rules.

I think Mercedes will draw back from pursuing their perceived grievance and feeling of injustice for the sake of the, overall, good name of the sport

Congratulations Max Verstappen F1World Champion
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 13, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
It’s one of those, ultimately everyone in the world knows the FIA have completed flipped Hamilton over but actually proving it to be ‘illegal’ would be a different matter entirely as there are undoubtedly a number of technicalities they would get out on.

No point dragging it out really, hopefully the long lasting effect of this is to see F1 for what it is, sports entertainment as opposed to sport because that wasn’t fair competition. It was more like WWE, scripted as to who the winner was going to be.

I hope for Verstappen’s sake that he goes on to win another title in the right way because, whilst the history books will say he won the 2021 title, I cannot see him as the champion after yesterday, Hamilton won that title in all but name
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 13, 2021, 08:07:52 PM
Mercedes Benz will not let go, why should they?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 13, 2021, 08:25:44 PM
At least Hamilton is not among the Sports Personality of the Year nominees  :D :D
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 13, 2021, 09:26:48 PM
Well, Lewis will have the consolation of a Knighthood to look forward to in the very near future.

Arise Sir Lewis!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 13, 2021, 09:30:33 PM
Well, Lewis will have the consolation of a Knighthood to look forward to in the very near future.

Arise Sir Lewis!
He already is, he's a knight Bachelor.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 13, 2021, 10:06:10 PM
He already is, he's a knight Bachelor.

He will officially receive his Knighthood, at Windsor Castle, on Wednesday

Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 13, 2021, 10:11:21 PM
He will officially receive his Knighthood, at Windsor Castle, on Wednesday
he will be inducted into a chivalric order on Wednesday, it is his 2nd knighthood.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 13, 2021, 10:16:27 PM
he will be inducted into a chivalric order on Wednesday, it is his 2nd knighthood.

You have enlightened me, thank you
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: albion59 on December 13, 2021, 11:56:12 PM
At least Hamilton is not among the Sports Personality of the Year nominees  :D :D
So you find this amusing? Why? I assume you don't like Hamilton?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2021, 06:52:04 AM
Hey guys what about this as a suggestion
You all know what I think of the result so I don't need to expand on it
But my radical suggestion is and it's unprecedented and ive heard no one else in the world offer it as a compromise solution and it's this.
Make Lewis & Verstappen joint world champions!
End of story and recriminations

For this to occur then the FIA would have to admit that they were wrong with the call, and that is never going to happen.

I think Red Bull would kick off big time as well.

It was good to see Hamilton behave very professionally after the race as well, congratulating Max and Horner.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 14, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
Well, Lewis will have the consolation of a Knighthood to look forward to in the very near future.

Arise Sir Lewis!
We have loads of dodgy people with Sir titles one more ie a drop in the ocean.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 14, 2021, 08:40:24 AM
Mercedes Benz will not let go, why should they?

What is the end game for them?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: phbaggies on December 14, 2021, 08:41:20 AM
In hindsight, they should have red flagged it, let Lewis change his tyres and then had a 4 lap shoot out from a rolling start
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: hardtobeat on December 14, 2021, 08:54:47 AM
The FIA and race director have made a rod for their own backs and the future of the sport. To tell teams one thing then to change their mind 2 safety car laps later and then not to fully implement the change of mind just looks and sounds like race fixing for the benefit of one party plus tv and sponsors
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 14, 2021, 09:48:55 AM
On a different note, there are talks of F1 going to South Africa in 2023. Finally making it a true World Series with a race on every habitable continent.

I’d imagine it’s back to the Kyalami circuit, but anyone heard anything about where they might be going?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: boinging_along on December 14, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
What is the end game for them?

Getting Masi replaced and a payment from CAS.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 14, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
What about a 10 lap race between both drivers only?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2021, 01:16:41 PM
What about a 10 lap race between both drivers only?

Again the FIA would have to admit fault and that is never going to happen.

I was surprised to see the number of folk supporting Masi and the decision. Ecclestone was really on his side, likewise David Croft. You will never convince me that was fair though.

Perhaps we should sort it with Rock, Paper, Scissors......best of 3.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 14, 2021, 01:35:09 PM
Well, the authorities might not admit to
 anything
That does not stop MB lawyers attempting to prove wrong doing or breaches etc does it?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: phbaggies on December 14, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
Well, the authorities might not admit to
 anything
That does not stop MB lawyers attempting to prove wrong doing or breaches etc does it?
I dont think MB will pursue it now, it would just look like sour grapes, also would Hamilton want it now the moment has gone?, I think they will just lick their wounds and look to next season
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 14, 2021, 07:23:38 PM
So you find this amusing? Why? I assume you don't like Hamilton?
Can't stand him
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2021, 09:19:31 PM
Can't stand him
That's fair enough,  but he is a 7 time (should be eight) World champion, so imo he deserves, as earned some respect.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 15, 2021, 04:32:44 PM
Hamilton as no problem with the old colonial practice of handing out knighthoods then as he is knighted today now you would have backed him to turn it down given his views on our past.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: gerry m on December 15, 2021, 05:20:30 PM
Hamilton as no problem with the old colonial practice of handing out knighthoods then as he is knighted today now you would have backed him to turn it down given his views on our past.

Don't think his massive ego would have allowed him to do that.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: leeiswba on December 15, 2021, 07:44:15 PM
What’s a lot of people’s problem with Hamilton? British and at the top of his sport and has been for years?

See some mentioning the tax issue but he’s in the top 5000 highest tax payers in the country
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 15, 2021, 07:51:10 PM
What’s a lot of people’s problem with Hamilton? British and at the top of his sport and has been for years?

See some mentioning the tax issue but he’s in the top 5000 highest tax payers in the country

Arise Sir Lewis! 👏👏👏
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 15, 2021, 07:52:54 PM
What’s a lot of people’s problem with Hamilton? British and at the top of his sport and has been for years?

See some mentioning the tax issue but he’s in the top 5000 highest tax payers in the country

I think we know the real reason but won’t say more than that…
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 15, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
I think we know the real reason but won’t say more than that…

It’s ridiculous to insinuate there is only reason he can be disliked.

I wanted Hamilton to win on Sunday, but I don’t care for the guy much. The climate change hypocrisy, Hamilton brand, tax avoidance and high horse vegan stuff are amongst the reasons I’ve never warmed to him.

Nothing to do with race.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: KYA on December 15, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
It’s ridiculous to insinuate there is only reason he can be disliked.

I wanted Hamilton to win on Sunday, but I don’t care for the guy much. The climate change hypocrisy, Hamilton brand, tax avoidance and high horse vegan stuff are amongst the reasons I’ve never warmed to him.

Nothing to do with race.
Out of order to be honest and juvenile to suggest such a thing.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 15, 2021, 09:09:39 PM
Being a 7 times World Champion comes with many benefits, celebrity, fame, fortune, privileges, luxury et al, that some can only dream of and not really comprehend.

But, those material rewards come at a personal high costs, e.g. privacy, under the microscope 24/7, hounded by MSM, family time, work life balance, physical pressures, mental pressures, emotional pressures, public property, constant criticism and many, many more personal costs.

Some will argue, and rightly so, that he chose that life, but that doesn’t make him less vulnerable and susceptible than the rest of us and no less of a human being with all the failings that go with our species.

I don’t agree with many of Lewis’s political and social views, but I don’t let that detract from the sporting talent he is and his phenomenal achievements. He is Marmite in the arena of political and personal “taste buds”

However, I consider that “Tolerance”, is a word that appears redundant in today’s society. But we all have a right to free speech
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 16, 2021, 08:50:11 AM
Interesting to see that the FIA are to release a statement regarding the 'misunderstanding' over the safety car and that they are going to have an enquiry over it. Also, Mercedes have until today to lodge a formal appeal over the issue, but Lewis has asked MB to drop the appeal as he does not want to win the title through the Court process.

 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/motorsports/hamilton-intervenes-to-stop-mercedes-appeal-%e2%80%93-report/ar-AARRPEX?ocid=ACERDHP17

My respect for Lewis is growing.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 16, 2021, 11:13:46 AM
Lewis Hamilton: Mercedes withdraw appeal against Abu Dhabi GP decision which saw Verstappen win title

The right thing to do, well done Lewis and Mercedes 👍
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: sean wba on December 17, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
F1 2021 Stats:

Wins: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 8

Pole Positions: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 5

Fastest Laps: Verstappen - 6, Hamilton - 6

Podiums: Verstappen - 18, Hamilton - 17

Laps Lead: Verstappen - 652, Hamilton - 297

The stats don’t lie, the best driver this season won and is the deserved F1 World Champion..

It was verstappen season
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: liverbaggie on December 17, 2021, 06:21:06 AM
He's a bumper car driver!
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: johnny Cash on December 17, 2021, 08:09:09 AM
F1 2021 Stats:

Wins: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 8

Pole Positions: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 5

Fastest Laps: Verstappen - 6, Hamilton - 6

Podiums: Verstappen - 18, Hamilton - 17

Laps Lead: Verstappen - 652, Hamilton - 297

The stats don’t lie, the best driver this season won and is the deserved F1 World Champion..

It was verstappen season

The stats don’t give the full picture. Those stats would have been virtually the same (other than wins being 9/9)  had Hamilton won. 

I think most people accept in sport that you may have better stats but not win. What they don’t expect is the game to be fundamentally unfair.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2021, 09:42:28 AM
F1 2021 Stats:

Wins: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 8

Pole Positions: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 5

Fastest Laps: Verstappen - 6, Hamilton - 6

Podiums: Verstappen - 18, Hamilton - 17

Laps Lead: Verstappen - 652, Hamilton - 297

The stats don’t lie, the best driver this season won and is the deserved F1 World Champion..

It was verstappen season

Yet going into the last race, both had the same number of points which shows that Hamilton had consistency. You can make stats say anything you want, a bit like the discussions on here about having more possession, shots on target etc, they count for nothing really.

It would be nice to say that Verstappen won 'fair and square', but we can't can we? Even the FIA acknowledge the comedy call from Masi and how it affected the result.

Its done and most of us know who the real winner was.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 17, 2021, 10:06:09 AM
Lewis Hamilton wins the FIA Personality of the Year Award
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggie53 on December 17, 2021, 10:30:09 AM
Lewis Hamilton wins the FIA Personality of the Year Award
Where did he get the personality from?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: mikehy on December 17, 2021, 10:32:17 AM
Where did he get the personality from?
this is boring now
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 17, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
this is boring now

I have no problem with adult discourse and serious reasoned debate, but some replies are tedious and playgroundish.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 17, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
F1 2021 Stats:

Wins: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 8

Pole Positions: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 5

Fastest Laps: Verstappen - 6, Hamilton - 6

Podiums: Verstappen - 18, Hamilton - 17

Laps Lead: Verstappen - 652, Hamilton - 297

The stats don’t lie, the best driver this season won and is the deserved F1 World Champion..

It was verstappen season

Stats ARE lies, they are created to try to justify lies, by those who would prefer that their weak or mistaken reasoning is not looked at too closely in order mask the fundamental bias behind their figures.
in this case they are only showing outcomes and tell us nothing about any causes of those outcomes and therefore cannot be used to define which is the better driver, only which was the driver the tv companies needed to win to make the better story.

''LIES DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS" (forgot the origin- sorry)
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on December 17, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
Stats ARE lies, they are created to try to justify lies, by those who would prefer that their weak or mistaken reasoning is not looked at too closely in order mask the fundamental bias behind their figures.
in this case they are only showing outcomes and tell us nothing about any causes of those outcomes and therefore cannot be used to define which is the better driver, only which was the driver the tv companies needed to win to make the better story.

''LIES DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS" (forgot the origin- sorry)

Benjamin Disraeli, I believe
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 18, 2021, 04:56:10 PM
Benjamin Disraeli, I believe

Yes I believe it was sir - thank you.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: sean wba on December 19, 2021, 06:55:57 AM
Stats ARE lies, they are created to try to justify lies, by those who would prefer that their weak or mistaken reasoning is not looked at too closely in order mask the fundamental bias behind their figures.
in this case they are only showing outcomes and tell us nothing about any causes of those outcomes and therefore cannot be used to define which is the better driver, only which was the driver the tv companies needed to win to make the better story.

''LIES DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS" (forgot the origin- sorry)
stats are lies? I'm sorry mate but how do you work that out if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: wodenson46 on December 19, 2021, 02:22:52 PM
Statistics are most often used, as in the case in question, to justify an opinion not as a tool to exact a truth. Bare numbers, as in the case of statistics can never tell the complete story. Much depends on the background and external factors behind those numbers which are either difficult, not economic or just impossible, to ascertain mathematically. The qualitative aspect of any data has to have at least equal weight to the numerical data in order to extrapolate any meaningful assumptions.

The simple statistical measure of Verstappen winning/leading more races than Hamilton, and gaining more points this season does not prove that this season Verstappen was the best driver. The quoted numbers take no account of the times Verstappen was seen to be guilty of, at best poor, probably dangerous antics behind the wheel, and did not receive appropriate punishment. Previous incidents of the sort of driving they actually found Verstappen guilty of had resulted in black flag disqualification and loss of points.

The 'statistics' quoted take no note of the fact that both drivers were level on points going into the final race, nor that Hamilton was over 20 seconds ahead when the safety car was employed, nor that the official original and correct decision, would have meant a win for Hamilton. Yet again they altered the decision and ruled to give Verstappen an advantage, but still one in which it was a probability that Hamilton might win. Then it was arranged for only certain of the lapped cars to unlap themselves. An occurrence never before allowed, and against a written part of the rules.  This ensured that Verstappen would not have to overtake cars Hamilton had already passed, this time giving Verstappen a virtually unassailable advantage. Best driver -without official assistance? - I think not

The statistics quoted do not tell any of the truth behind the events and can therefore only be judged in this instance as lies. Just one example of statistics masking the truth. Statistics never tell the whole truth and are subject to manipulation, and it has become the expected norm for this manipulation to take place. Because of this, unless backed by qualitative evidence statistics cannot be believed. Something that cannot be believed because it is usually untrue is a lie.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: baggiejohn on December 20, 2021, 11:35:26 PM
F1 2021 Stats:

Wins: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 8

Pole Positions: Verstappen - 10, Hamilton - 5


Fastest Laps: Verstappen - 6, Hamilton - 6

Podiums: Verstappen - 18, Hamilton - 17

Laps Lead: Verstappen - 652, Hamilton - 297

The stats don’t lie, the best driver this season won and is the deserved F1 World Champion..

It was verstappen season

IMO, the fact that LH won 8 grand prix's from 5 pole positions, suggests that he is the more skillful driver.

As I understood it the Red Bull car was more maneuverable, but the Mercedes was faster on the straights.

If that's the case then LH displayed a lot of skill to win when not on pole position.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 21, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
IMO, the fact that LH won 8 grand prix's from 5 pole positions, suggests that he is the more skillful driver.

As I understood it the Red Bull car was more maneuverable, but the Mercedes was faster on the straights.

If that's the case then LH displayed a lot of skill to win when not on pole position.
from what I remember, two of those three victories were Bahrain (where Lewis was repeatedly told to stop corner cutting) and Britain (we all know what happened, needless to say your opponent can’t beat you if he doesn’t finish).
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: kc56wba on July 03, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Awful crash at Sliverstone. Race stopped RED FLAG.
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: Topman on July 03, 2022, 10:03:06 PM
Awful crash at Sliverstone. Race stopped RED FLAG.


Surprised no one has posted on this. I watched both this and an awful crash in gp2 this morning. Two drivers could of easily died today. Thank you who ever got the halo designed and implemented. The best thing f1 have ever done. I must admit I hated it at first but my god it’s a game changer. I know it’s many years after senna died but I’m sure it’s his greatest legacy
Title: Re: FORMULA ONE THREAD
Post by: AlbionFan on October 26, 2022, 08:06:51 PM
BREAKING: Sauber will compete as the Audi factory team from 2026, using an Audi power unit

#F1 @audisport