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« Reply #1875 on: October 27, 2018, 07:24:35 PM »
another windup merchant. we should be doing much better than this against an injury hit side. we are punching well under our weight
Really? I'd say he's doing as well as he can with a very average squad.

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« Reply #1876 on: October 27, 2018, 07:28:13 PM »
Unnecessary comment. We were injury hit too. You'll be one of those who thinks that we should walk this league and that anything less than a win is a reason to dig out Moore. This league isn't like that. Have you forgotten the absolute shambles of last year? Have you forgotten that he inherited this squad from Pulis and the shambles of a board that were sacked. Wake up. Support the team and let's see where we end up. One thing for certain is that constantly moaning is unhelpful to what we are all trying to achieve.
It's the present board(I.e. Jenkins) that's a shambles! Signing overage deadbeats on freebies like Mears & Hoolahan, not to mention just banking the Chadli £12million when instead we should have backed the manager & signed some quality players to get us promoted at the first attempt.
Give me the previous board any day. At least they showed some ambition & tried to sign some quality players even if they didn't all come off. The real mistake that Board made was renewing Pulis's contract at the end of the season when we could have recruited Hodgson instead.

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« Reply #1877 on: October 27, 2018, 07:29:59 PM »
Great Post.

I don't think for a second DM thought he'd scratching around for freebies when he took the job

Our squad is not the best and our bench is pathetic imo.

I hope we can be in or close to the play offs in Jan and then strengthen with a box to box mf and a commanding ch to replace Bartley.

Reality bit me a while back and I think it will dawn on others soon that DM is doing his best whilst getting no support from cost cutter Jenkins.

We tracked woods all summer.and Stoke lose their couple of games and they buy him straight away.

Lot is expected now from Dowling to find what we need.

It's also sad how our "acclaimed" youth team cannot produce as good or better than mears and hoolahan.
Spot on. My feelings exactly.

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« Reply #1878 on: October 27, 2018, 07:37:46 PM »
I have to say that i think some fans are looking back with Rose tinted specs. The last board made some shocking decisions and when they said "we wanted 5 players and we have signed 5 players", that seemed to sum up their knowledge of football.

I'm upset we haven't signed any real quality, but we do need to be careful not to do a Villa. We can't spend loads only to fail to return to the PL. It's a catch 22 really.

If i was in charge I'd be telling DM to mix it up and to drop some of the dross like Mears and Kanu. The sooner Bartley goes the better in my opinion. He's worse than Meite.

I'm still yet to see a game where we actually play a thorough game of football. In the matches I've seen, we lack character and don't seem to know what to do with the ball. It's ok DM saying that the games come thick and fast in this league but he doesn't seem to be learning much, considering how much he says we have to learn.

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« Reply #1879 on: October 27, 2018, 07:48:34 PM »
I have to say that i think some fans are looking back with Rose tinted specs. The last board made some shocking decisions and when they said "we wanted 5 players and we have signed 5 players", that seemed to sum up their knowledge of football.

I'm upset we haven't signed any real quality, but we do need to be careful not to do a Villa. We can't spend loads only to fail to return to the PL. It's a catch 22 really.

If i was in charge I'd be telling DM to mix it up and to drop some of the dross like Mears and Kanu. The sooner Bartley goes the better in my opinion. He's worse than Meite.

I'm still yet to see a game where we actually play a thorough game of football. In the matches I've seen, we lack character and don't seem to know what to do with the ball. It's ok DM saying that the games come thick and fast in this league but he doesn't seem to be learning much, considering how much he says we have to learn.

Moore won’t drop Mears mate . He’s one of his best mates and Moore is responsible for bringing him here .

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« Reply #1880 on: October 27, 2018, 08:04:05 PM »
It's the present board(I.e. Jenkins) that's a shambles! Signing overage deadbeats on freebies like Mears & Hoolahan, not to mention just banking the Chadli £12million when instead we should have backed the manager & signed some quality players to get us promoted at the first attempt.
Give me the previous board any day. At least they showed some ambition & tried to sign some quality players even if they didn't all come off. The real mistake that Board made was renewing Pulis's contract at the end of the season when we could have recruited Hodgson instead.

The previous board failed. They would have us demoted in no time.

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« Reply #1881 on: October 27, 2018, 08:07:34 PM »
Moore won’t drop Mears mate . He’s one of his best mates and Moore is responsible for bringing him here .

Mears was dropped today. I don't think he signed him because of their frienship, rather because of the fact we made derisory bids for ayling and tavernier according to the press.

He's back up to mp and his playing contract will thankfully end in Jan.

What should be more concerning imo is not their friendship, but the brummie booing their own keeper in the first half.

What the hell is that all about?

He's a youngish player and he's need building up not being booed because he is not taking his kicks quick enough.

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« Reply #1882 on: October 27, 2018, 08:35:10 PM »
The previous board failed. They would have us demoted in no time.
Surely you are not saying you prefer Jenkins?! If so you are backing his decisions to sign useless overage freebies Mears & Hoolahan! Any idiot can cut costs & not allow the manager to sign players that actually cost money. Why is it we never have an ambitious board ?
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« Reply #1883 on: October 27, 2018, 11:56:50 PM »
Needs to work on his subs. Too many "like" for "like" changes. Changes are usually overly conservative.

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« Reply #1884 on: October 28, 2018, 01:15:38 AM »
First time I've said this but I can see him being gone by the new year unless he has a serious re-think about the way he approaches games moving forward. The fact that he is an Albion hero means absolutely zilch to me.

If this 3-4-1-2 doesn't go, I predict he will.
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« Reply #1885 on: October 28, 2018, 05:12:32 AM »
Hope he can trust the young players more.

Burke deserves few minutes in yesterday game with his recent good form in u23.
The last sub should be him rather than HRK.
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« Reply #1886 on: October 28, 2018, 07:51:36 AM »
Repeating myself but 3 at the back doesn't suit us at all , the players look unsuited to it .
Quite possibly the best winger in the division is wasted at wing back and can't defend anyway , Dawson our best defender for me looks lost although better in the centre against Blackburn .
Bartley should have been dropped but although poor since signing for us I've seen him play very well in a flat 4 .
I believe we have better player's than what we are seeing although I respect and understand why Moore is still trying to bed in the system ...it just isn't for me at all .
The majority wanted a change from Irvine / Pulis type football , it wasn't going to happen over night especially with a rookie manager. First bad patch , lets see what happens .
That 3 at that back needs to go though!
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« Reply #1887 on: October 28, 2018, 10:35:04 AM »
Moore is starting to pee me off, how bad do some of these players have to play before their dropped? Besides injuries has he given any of the fringe player's a shout I think not. 15 games in and still we have the same problems what the hell are they doing on the training pitch? Haven't seen a  decent performance from this lot yet.

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« Reply #1888 on: October 28, 2018, 10:39:34 AM »
Moore is starting to pee me off, how bad do some of these players have to play before their dropped? Besides injuries has he given any of the fringe player's a shout I think not. 15 games in and still we have the same problems what the hell are they doing on the training pitch? Haven't seen a  decent performance from this lot yet.

Its OK dropping player but there is no quality underneath.

We have four centre backs - three play and one of whom is injured.

Phillips has Mears has his understudy.

Gibbs has Townsend.

Its a mixture of Brunt, Barry, Livermore and then Morrison whenever he is fit.

Rodriguez and Gayle have Sako and HRK.

Burke clearly is not fancied.

So I can understand why Moore doesn't ring the changes. What should be changed is our formation but because we do not have a right back we have to persist with the three centre halves.
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« Reply #1889 on: October 28, 2018, 10:40:58 AM »
Hope he can trust the young players more.

Burke deserves few minutes in yesterday game with his recent good form in u23.
The last sub should be him rather than HRK.

I can't work out why the coaching staff still think Robson-Kanu is a better 20 minute impact choice than a player like Burke, Leko or Edwards. Only reason I can think is that he is a nice bloke and so that has blindsided them.

Robson-Kanu from the bench is only really worth it if defending a lead and wanting the ball to stick further up the pitch. If needing a goal, it is surely better to change the system rather that just the "like for like, centre forward for centee forward, central midfielder for central midfielder" changes Moore makes. Burke is scoring goals for fun at under 23 level, Leko is also getting goals while Edwards was at his best for Exeter last year coming off the bench.

As for the 3 at the back, we have had 1 clean sheet all season. Teams with our defensive record rarely get promoted. The only way I can think to improve our defence is to go flat back 4, and then mix up the midfield and forward lune into a more attacking set up (a different variant of 451 or 433).


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« Reply #1890 on: October 28, 2018, 11:39:51 AM »
I said a while ago, the problem i think Moore has is we are aiming for a short term goal.

I dont know but had he gone in to his interview in the summer and said he wanted to build and develop a team using the young players at the club (which he has experience of working with) and that it may take time, i think the board may of thought you have no experience of doing that, yet we are also interviewing Dean Smith, a bloke who has done that same job with two other clubs, we will give him the job.

Instead they probably said we want the bloke who can get us promoted, we arent interested in 3 or 5 year plans, we brought this club for £150m and so we want to get back there by hook or by crook ASAP and start getting our money back and earning something from our investment.

On paper we have a number of very good players for this level - Johnstone, Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Phillips, Livermore, Brunt, Gayle, JRod, Sako, Barnes, those players should ensure you are near the top part of the league (which we are)

We also have some good backup players too, the problem we have is that our squad is quite lopsided and after 15 games we still havent found the right system and tactics to accomodate the above players, yet we are still 5th in the league.

The issue seems to be that teams have now worked out how to play against us and we dont really seem to have an alternative way of playing, i like the footballing approach and i want us to continue with that regardless, i dont think we need to completely overhaul how we play, we just need to tweak things a bit.

Some obvious things, playing players in their correct and proven positions, even if that means switching formation for a bit, if we have visions of 3-5-2 then thats fine, but lets wait until we have players who can play that way.

I think it does seem to be Jones who is pushing the 3-5-2, again thats fine but if things dont work out, Big Dave will be the one who takes the fall and has a sacking in his CV, Jones will go and get an assistant managers job elsewhere, its not as easy to get the main job, i think i heard the other day, 50% of managers who get sacked in their first job dont get another job in the same role.

There was a bloke who is seems quite spot on with the Albion stuff who said the current setup is similar to the RDM days, RDM was the public face but it was Eddie Newton who did all the planning, tactics, etc and apparently its the same now with Big Dave the Public face and Jones the 'brains'. However, Mooro has to standup to Jones IF he is the one insisting on the 3-5-2, its easy to get starry eyed by Jones CV and he is obviously a very good coach but its quite apprarent that the 3-5-2 isnt for us at the moment, when we win, we win well but teams were always going to wise up against us and that time has now come.

There may be some truth to that because we played 4-4-2 all preseason and signed defensive players to suit in Bartley and Johnstone, it dont take a genius to see the way we play now doesnt suit Bartley, and Johnstone said himself in a interview in the week that he has never played this way before, which begs the question, if we were always going to go to 3-5-2, why didnt we sign players in the summer who could play it?!

We have gone for short term fixes, likes of Sako and Hoolahan who will come in and do a job and it may be enough to get us over line come May, If we had come out and said we are starting again, youth will come in i think the fans would of brought into that and there would of been patience, however because on paper we have still a very strong group of players, rightly or wrongly there is an expectation now and i think crowd reactions show that, yesterday after 25 minutes fans were booing and jeering Johnstone.

It was frustration because i do think after 8 years in the premier league there is a undercurrent of entitlement that we should blitz everyone, but also there is frustration because thousands of people can see the way we are currently playing from the back is not quite right and if they can see it, why cant the coaches.  There is a nervous atmosphere which goes from players to fans and vice versa.

Its new territory, under RDM there were some hostile games, i think that season both Olsson and Carson had a few run ins with fans, but we still yoyoing at the time. Even under Mowbray, as great as that season of promotion was, we still took some hidings, Leicester and Coventry at home, losing to Colchester away spring to mind so it wastn all roses, but again we were in the yoyo years, now after been an established premier league club, there is a generation of fans who have got used to that, i probably do it myself at times without realising.

One final thing is based on yesterday, Mowbray seems to of learnt that you cant always just play ideal football, he had players missing, he dealt with and his game management was spot on, sadly for him it took a couple of sackings at Celtic and Middlesboro to probably realise that ideal football doesnt always win, i hope for Big Daves sake that he realises that now rather than when he is too late because i have a feeling if come the new year we were around the halfway mark, the board will get rid and spunk a load of money on a promotion specialist, ie - Allardyce or Warnock type and i really dont want that as we would go back to square one in terms of football.

I like what Big Dave wants to do and think he is doing decent, i just hope now he is facing the first dip in his managerial career, he learns whats wrong and deals with it rather than carrying on with something that isnt right.

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« Reply #1891 on: October 28, 2018, 04:52:04 PM »
He's still not learning is he? Same problems again yesterday.

Regarding his post-match comments, I know somebody who's been going up since the '70's, and his words sum it up best: "I've been going to football for years, don't tell me I haven't seen what I've seen. Don't insult my intelligence. Protect your players fine, but don't lie to me".

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« Reply #1892 on: October 28, 2018, 05:11:36 PM »
He's a nice bloke but his comments after games do him no favours, he just rambles on with cliches and some absolute garbage at times
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« Reply #1893 on: October 28, 2018, 05:34:22 PM »
He's still not learning is he? Same problems again yesterday.

Regarding his post-match comments, I know somebody who's been going up since the '70's, and his words sum it up best: "I've been going to football for years, don't tell me I haven't seen what I've seen. Don't insult my intelligence. Protect your players fine, but don't lie to me".

Maybe Moore is being honest from his perspective, just as your friend is from his perspective?
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« Reply #1894 on: October 28, 2018, 05:48:24 PM »
I said a while ago, the problem i think Moore has is we are aiming for a short term goal.

I dont know but had he gone in to his interview in the summer and said he wanted to build and develop a team using the young players at the club (which he has experience of working with) and that it may take time, i think the board may of thought you have no experience of doing that, yet we are also interviewing Dean Smith, a bloke who has done that same job with two other clubs, we will give him the job.

Instead they probably said we want the bloke who can get us promoted, we arent interested in 3 or 5 year plans, we brought this club for £150m and so we want to get back there by hook or by crook ASAP and start getting our money back and earning something from our investment.

On paper we have a number of very good players for this level - Johnstone, Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Phillips, Livermore, Brunt, Gayle, JRod, Sako, Barnes, those players should ensure you are near the top part of the league (which we are)

We also have some good backup players too, the problem we have is that our squad is quite lopsided and after 15 games we still havent found the right system and tactics to accomodate the above players, yet we are still 5th in the league.

The issue seems to be that teams have now worked out how to play against us and we dont really seem to have an alternative way of playing, i like the footballing approach and i want us to continue with that regardless, i dont think we need to completely overhaul how we play, we just need to tweak things a bit.

Some obvious things, playing players in their correct and proven positions, even if that means switching formation for a bit, if we have visions of 3-5-2 then thats fine, but lets wait until we have players who can play that way.

I think it does seem to be Jones who is pushing the 3-5-2, again thats fine but if things dont work out, Big Dave will be the one who takes the fall and has a sacking in his CV, Jones will go and get an assistant managers job elsewhere, its not as easy to get the main job, i think i heard the other day, 50% of managers who get sacked in their first job dont get another job in the same role.

There was a bloke who is seems quite spot on with the Albion stuff who said the current setup is similar to the RDM days, RDM was the public face but it was Eddie Newton who did all the planning, tactics, etc and apparently its the same now with Big Dave the Public face and Jones the 'brains'. However, Mooro has to standup to Jones IF he is the one insisting on the 3-5-2, its easy to get starry eyed by Jones CV and he is obviously a very good coach but its quite apprarent that the 3-5-2 isnt for us at the moment, when we win, we win well but teams were always going to wise up against us and that time has now come.

There may be some truth to that because we played 4-4-2 all preseason and signed defensive players to suit in Bartley and Johnstone, it dont take a genius to see the way we play now doesnt suit Bartley, and Johnstone said himself in a interview in the week that he has never played this way before, which begs the question, if we were always going to go to 3-5-2, why didnt we sign players in the summer who could play it?!

We have gone for short term fixes, likes of Sako and Hoolahan who will come in and do a job and it may be enough to get us over line come May, If we had come out and said we are starting again, youth will come in i think the fans would of brought into that and there would of been patience, however because on paper we have still a very strong group of players, rightly or wrongly there is an expectation now and i think crowd reactions show that, yesterday after 25 minutes fans were booing and jeering Johnstone.

It was frustration because i do think after 8 years in the premier league there is a undercurrent of entitlement that we should blitz everyone, but also there is frustration because thousands of people can see the way we are currently playing from the back is not quite right and if they can see it, why cant the coaches.  There is a nervous atmosphere which goes from players to fans and vice versa.

Its new territory, under RDM there were some hostile games, i think that season both Olsson and Carson had a few run ins with fans, but we still yoyoing at the time. Even under Mowbray, as great as that season of promotion was, we still took some hidings, Leicester and Coventry at home, losing to Colchester away spring to mind so it wastn all roses, but again we were in the yoyo years, now after been an established premier league club, there is a generation of fans who have got used to that, i probably do it myself at times without realising.

One final thing is based on yesterday, Mowbray seems to of learnt that you cant always just play ideal football, he had players missing, he dealt with and his game management was spot on, sadly for him it took a couple of sackings at Celtic and Middlesboro to probably realise that ideal football doesnt always win, i hope for Big Daves sake that he realises that now rather than when he is too late because i have a feeling if come the new year we were around the halfway mark, the board will get rid and spunk a load of money on a promotion specialist, ie - Allardyce or Warnock type and i really dont want that as we would go back to square one in terms of football.

I like what Big Dave wants to do and think he is doing decent, i just hope now he is facing the first dip in his managerial career, he learns whats wrong and deals with it rather than carrying on with something that isnt right.

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« Reply #1895 on: October 28, 2018, 05:52:37 PM »
He's still not learning is he? Same problems again yesterday.

Regarding his post-match comments, I know somebody who's been going up since the '70's, and his words sum it up best: "I've been going to football for years, don't tell me I haven't seen what I've seen. Don't insult my intelligence. Protect your players fine, but don't lie to me".


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« Reply #1896 on: October 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM »
He seems to me to be in a tough situation. An up and coming coach who is basically learning as he goes along. We had experienced coaches like Tony Pulis and Alan Pardew and look where it got us. We don't have a god given right to go straight back up as some people on here seem to think. In my opinion this is one of the toughest leagues in the world.

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« Reply #1897 on: October 28, 2018, 06:26:53 PM »
I don’t buy this thing about being inexperienced and learning.

Derby’s Lampard looked like he made errors early on which are now being rectified.  We look as if we are going backwards.

15 games in you wouldn’t thought he would’ve nailed a starting 11 and decided which players excel at this level and the ones that look out of their depth.  There can be no sentiment whatsoever. 

You are talking about someone being paid about £2m a year to do a job.  Some of our recent Managers have shown they hardly have any more idea than the man in the street.

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« Reply #1898 on: October 28, 2018, 06:38:10 PM »
I don’t buy this thing about being inexperienced and learning.

Derby’s Lampard looked like he made errors early on which are now being rectified.  We look as if we are going backwards.

15 games in you wouldn’t thought he would’ve nailed a starting 11 and decided which players excel at this level and the ones that look out of their depth.  There can be no sentiment whatsoever. 

You are talking about someone being paid about £2m a year to do a job.  Some of our recent Managers have shown they hardly have any more idea than the man in the street.

I think you have basically contradicted yourself there GREGMT. I may be wrong though!

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« Reply #1899 on: October 28, 2018, 09:13:31 PM »
He's a nice bloke but his comments after games do him no favours, he just rambles on with cliches and some absolute garbage at times

The number of cliches is embarrassing, it's as if he's parodying a stereotypical football interview.