WestBrom.com

West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => Albion Matchday Forum => Topic started by: spoonzwba on August 15, 2018, 02:01:52 PM

Title: 14 Sept 2018 Birmingham City 1 Albion 1
Post by: spoonzwba on August 15, 2018, 02:01:52 PM
Hi Guys,

Not sure this is the right place as the matchday board isn't open...

I was just wondering if any STH weren't planning on buying a blues away ticket for next month and i could possibly use your reference?

STH for years however work commitments mean it isn't worth buying a ST! (who'd grow up eh?)

Tickets are being released next week so i thought i'd ask before release instead of looking like a mad man next month haha!

Thanks all  :)
Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: Sted1990 on August 17, 2018, 08:41:57 AM
I think it depends on if it’s a points sale as that will mean a lot of season ticket holders won’t get one as they won’t have enough points.
Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: spoonzwba on August 17, 2018, 03:54:23 PM
Gather so mate.

Was just wondering on the off chance if anybody wasn't planning on going... Looking bleak haha. 
Title: 14 Sept 2018 Birmingham City 1 Albion 1
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2018, 11:58:00 PM
Birmingham City v West Bromwich Albion

Friday 14th September 2018 19.45pm

Please use this board for all your After Match Debate. Away fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
Title: In Game Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2018, 11:58:55 PM
Birmingham City v West Bromwich Albion

Friday 14th September 2018 19.45pm

Please use this board for all your In Game Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.

Please keep this board Albion related, there are boards elsewhere in General Sports to discuss other games
Title: Pre Match Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2018, 11:59:16 PM
Birmingham City v West Bromwich Albion

Friday 14th September 2018 19.45pm

Please use this board for all your Pre Match Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
Title: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 18, 2018, 12:00:30 AM
Birmingham City v West Bromwich Albion

Friday 14th September 2018 19.45pm

PRICES

Allocation: tbc


tba

SALE DATES

Away Season Ticket Holders - tba
Home Season Ticket Holders Online - tba
Home Season Ticket Holders Online/ In Person/ Phone - tba
Members Online - tba
Members Online/ In Person/ Phone - tba
General Sale - tba

For upto date ticket info
CLICK HERE (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/)

MEMBERS WITH LESS THAN 25 POSTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OFFER TICKETS FOR SALE OR REQUEST TO BUY TICKETS ON WESTBROM.COM.
 ANYONE IGNORING THAT RULING WILL HAVE THEIR POST REMOVED.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kie the baggie on August 19, 2018, 02:33:44 PM
If there is anyone that cant make this who are season ticket holders, would any one consider getting a ticket for me I will pay for any inconvenience to you, also beer
Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: kie the baggie on August 19, 2018, 02:34:57 PM
Sorry ive just posted similar on the ticket thread, im not trying to guzzump you!
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: spoonzwba on August 20, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
Just as the above. Desperately looking for a ticket!

Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: spoonzwba on August 20, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
Haha no problem Kie.

Fingers crossed for us eh!
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 20, 2018, 01:57:28 PM
Just as the above. Desperately looking for a ticket!


Lads, please refrain from offering anything above actual costs of tickets
Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: kie the baggie on August 20, 2018, 03:30:16 PM
Haha no problem Kie.

Fingers crossed for us eh!
Hopefully mate, really wanted season ticket but work every other weekend!
Title: Re: Blues Away
Post by: SmethDan on August 21, 2018, 12:04:45 AM
Honestly think you'll both be fine.

Allocation expected to be 2,700.

Saturday 3pm kick off may have been different.

But Friday night on TV should sort a few people out.

All the best  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on August 21, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
https://www.bcfc.com/news/articles/2018/blues-v-west-brom-ticket-details/

Blues selling tickets for the Gil Merrick Stand lower according to this, which is the away stand. So they won’t be giving us the whole end. £20 their charging for home fans.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Cat C fixture, bit surprised at that, = High risk of disorder   - Really ??
Quite like the bluenoses, Zulus can be annoying but they're all kids nowadays, from what I hear.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: brummyroader on August 21, 2018, 12:07:49 PM
Anyone know when these go in sale?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on August 21, 2018, 01:27:51 PM
I heard a rumour that all we are getting is 1500 tickets.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on August 21, 2018, 01:33:39 PM
I heard a rumour that all we are getting is 1500 tickets.

I’ve heard 2800. If they do give us 1500 then that’s what we should give them when they come to ours.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbako on August 21, 2018, 03:00:51 PM
I heard a rumour that all we are getting is 1500 tickets.

I hope this is a merely a rumour as we should be taking full allocations against our local rivals and I'm sure the full away allocation is double that.

I do wonder if some will be put off with it being a Friday night. Blues away is a not for the faint-hearted; Digbeth High Street is always fun after the game.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on August 21, 2018, 03:05:51 PM
I hope this is a merely a rumour as we should be taking full allocations against our local rivals and I'm sure the full away allocation is double that.

I do wonder if some will be put off with it being a Friday night. Blues away is a not for the faint-hearted; Digbeth High Street is always fun after the game.


From what I heard this 1500 ticket allocation is nothing to do with the Albion. Now this is a rumour like I said but I heard WMP may have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 21, 2018, 03:33:49 PM
While I don't know what their allocation was it's interesting to note there was a cash turnstile to pay on the night for Swansea.

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/birmingham-tickets-available-night

Can't see them doing this for a Midlands derby but they're in the poo financially so you never know.

WMP wouldn't be happy if they did though.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 21, 2018, 03:43:24 PM
I hope this is a merely a rumour as we should be taking full allocations against our local rivals and I'm sure the full away allocation is double that.

I do wonder if some will be put off with it being a Friday night. Blues away is a not for the faint-hearted; Digbeth High Street is always fun after the game.

Always brings a wry smile to my face when posters seem to think this is a friendly derby. Nowhere near as much angst as the others but you still need to watch your back. I've never been to St Andrews on the coach and usually walk there and back from New St via Digbeth High St. The only exception was the Cup game a couple of years back when I drank in the 'new' Hennessey's prior to the game and went via the back streets. My left knee is not in the best of states at the moment though so I may have to make alternate arrangements for this one.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 21, 2018, 03:52:37 PM
Am I right in thinking this is still TBA on the OS?
Just had a quick mooch and no details at all  ???
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbako on August 21, 2018, 04:00:54 PM
Always brings a wry smile to my face when posters seem to think this is a friendly derby. Nowhere near as much angst as the others but you still need to watch your back. I've never been to St Andrews on the coach and usually walk there and back from New St via Digbeth High St. The only exception was the Cup game a couple of years back when I drank in the 'new' Hennessey's prior to the game and went via the back streets. My left knee is not in the best of states at the moment though so I may have to make alternate arrangements for this one.

The games themselves tend to be less hostile with neither clubs having any derogatory chants for one another really, but after the game is a different story. You really needed your wits about you after the cup game a couple of years ago - there was a huge turnout from both club's firms and Digbeth High Street was like a bandit country after the game. 
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2018, 04:19:01 PM
The games themselves tend to be less hostile with neither clubs having any derogatory chants for one another really, but after the game is a different story. You really needed your wits about you after the cup game a couple of years ago - there was a huge turnout from both club's firms and Digbeth High Street was like a bandit country after the game.

Never seen anything too serious myself,
Many years ago, I went to Blues / Villa once with the steamers from the hole in the wall (yes that long ago). That was interesting.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on August 21, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
Been to blues last 5 or 6 times we’ve played them, always walk from around Bennett’s Hill through Digbeth and not seen anything at all really. FA Cup game a load of Albion got train to New Street but we’re just escorted all the way.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbako on August 21, 2018, 06:03:10 PM
Been to blues last 5 or 6 times we’ve played them, always walk from around Bennett’s Hill through Digbeth and not seen anything at all really. FA Cup game a load of Albion got train to New Street but we’re just escorted all the way.

Not all of us were in that escort. Loads of splinter groups that day.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on August 22, 2018, 10:23:46 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/ticket-details-for-blues-clash/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 22, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Cheers for the link 'renno, sorted  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 22, 2018, 10:50:10 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/ticket-details-for-blues-clash/

Cheers for that, so it is 2800 in the end and not the rumoured 1500.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on August 22, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
Cheers for that, so it is 2800 in the end and not the rumoured 1500.


Great news, no more rumoures about tickets from me in furture.  God help the chap who told me.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 22, 2018, 11:09:10 AM

Great news, no more rumoures about tickets from me in furture.  God help the chap who told me.

I hope you didn't misunderstand my post, I meant that I was glad we have 2800 as we need a decent turnout and there should be less complaints from our fans about getting tickets, I wasn't having a dig about rumours. Obviously I may have misunderstood your post!
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on August 22, 2018, 11:14:17 AM
I hope you didn't misunderstand my post, I meant that I was glad we have 2800 as we need a decent turnout and there should be less complaints from our fans about getting tickets, I wasn't having a dig about rumours. Obviously I may have misunderstood your post!

No problem Hull Baggie.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 22, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
ALBION can today confirm ticket details for our first West Midlands derby of the season when we face Birmingham City on Friday, September 14.

The Club has taken the maximum allocation of 2,800 for the clash at St Andrew's Trillion Trophy Stadium (ko 7.45pm).

Prices are £20 Adults, £15 for seniors (65 and over) and the 19-24 age category, £10 for 13-18 age group and £5 for under-13s.

Because of an expected high demand, the loyalty points system will apply and sales dates, with the first batch available to our away season ticket holders from tomorrow.

Sales dates:

Thursday, August 23: Away Season Ticket Holders (online, in person & phone from 9am)

Tuesday, August 28: Home Season Ticket Holders with 1575 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am)

Wednesday, August 29: Home Season Ticket Holders with 1550 points or more (online from 9am, in person from 9am & phone from 10am)

Thursday, August 30: Home Season Ticket Holders with 1540 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability

Friday, August 31: Home Season Ticket Holders with 1535 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability

Saturday, September 1: Season Ticket Holders with 1500 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability

Monday, September 3: All Season Ticket Holders regardless of points (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability

Tuesday, September 4: Members: (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability

Wednesday, September 5: General sale (online from 9am, in person from 9am & phone from 10am) subject to availability

Points Allocation:

Season Ticket purchase - 1000 points
Season renewal - 500 points
League match purchase - 5 points
Cup match purchase - 10 points

Points totals are based on purchases made in both the current season 2018/19 and in the previous season 2017/18.

Here's an example for a supporter with 1540 points:

1000 points from their 2018/19 season ticket purchase

500 points from their 2017/18 renewal

25 points from five league games in the 2017/18 season

10 points from their Luton Town ticket

5 points from their Nottingham Forest ticket

Please note points are based at Tuesday, August 21 and points for Mansfield will not be included.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on August 22, 2018, 12:31:23 PM
Cheers for that, so it is 2800 in the end and not the rumoured 1500.


It needs to be those tickets will go in no time. I already know of Albion fans going in the Blues sections regardless.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: The Joust on August 23, 2018, 07:43:22 AM
1st Sep for me ... Not holding my breath :(
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on August 23, 2018, 08:04:47 AM
 :'(I’ve got 1610 so I’m all good but people with lower points I wouldn’t worry too much. I always think with Albion if you want a ticket so bad you will get one from somewhere, I even managed to get a Exeter one last year in the end.

Get yourself up Birmingham match day if they do sell out before you can get one officially, there are always plenty knocking about and pretty much always face value
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2018, 11:55:30 AM
The initial allocation is for those who've renewed their season tickets (1500 points) and attended a minimum of fifteen away League games over the last two seasons (75 points at five per game taking the total to 1575). That or a few less if augmented by Cup attendances at 10 points per game over the same period.

Prediction:

The ticket site will become bogged down with everyone in the initial allocation category trying to buy at the same time and so on as we move through the eligibility criteria. The phones will also go down or callers will be backed up in a queue. Frustrated abuse will then be directed at the ticket office and club in general via social media and there'll be calls for an increased allocation.

Sales will slow before picking up again. All regular away travellers in need of a ticket should get one. On the other hand some who travel less frequently will convince themselves they won't get a ticket, so don't even try for them and miss out. The blame for this will then be laid at the feet of Blues, Mark Jenkins or WMP - delete as appropriate. This will allow a fair old chunk of even less frequent away attendees to attend the game.

2,800 tickets for a Friday night game which is on the box isn't a bad amount. It's certainly better than the 300 we got for Exeter away and the 1,800 which were requested by the club for Liverpool in the Cup last season. And let's be honest, there were more than a few none regulars in attendance at both of those fixtures. Message to all who wish to attend. Do not be deterred by phone queues or a slow working ticket site.

All of the very best to all and COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 23, 2018, 12:08:11 PM
The first allocation of tickets (today) is for away season ticket holders, the loyalty points bit comes in on Tuesday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/ticket-details-for-blues-clash/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
The first allocation of tickets (today) is for away season ticket holders, the loyalty points bit comes in on Tuesday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/ticket-details-for-blues-clash/

I know, a faux par on my part but it's pretty obvious that I was referring to the loyalty points section.

Cheers all the same  ;D .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on August 23, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
I know, a faux par on my part but it's pretty obvious that I was referring to the loyalty points section.

Cheers all the same  ;D .

Faux pas,  oh the irony !

Bet that was on porpoise

Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
Faux pas,  oh the irony !

Bet that was on porpoise

I'm clearly not having a good day, must be the heating in here.

Do be kind enough to bugger off  :P  :P  ;) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on August 23, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
I'm clearly not having a good day, must be the heating in here.

Do be kind enough to bugger off  :P  :P  ;) .
your wish is my com...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 23, 2018, 01:38:03 PM
I’m eligible Wednesday so I’m confident. My brother who goes 2 less away games a season has 15 more points then me. I do all the assigning etc but makes no sense but anyway we’re both going to wait until Wednesday as I’ll think they’ll last until 9.30am Saturday (just a guess)..
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on August 23, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
One thing that I don't agree with on the loyalty points is that you get 5 points for buying a home ticket for someone else.

So for instance you could buy 23 home tickets for mates in a season and attend 0 away games and have 40 more loyalty points than someone who has attended 15 away matches but brought no home tickets for anyone else.

I have benefitted this season as I have brought tickets for other people for both home games but I still don't agree with it.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2018, 03:32:07 PM
I buy away tickets on my son's behalf and Cup tickets for all of us (3) when required. When purchasing for my wife and son I always allocate the loyalty points to their season tickets in case they ever need them for a priority game. Just as well really as my lad's wanting to join me for the Blues game  ;D .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 29, 2018, 03:35:53 PM
Anyone know how these tickets are going and if there are many left?  I can get mine on Friday, ideally wanted to wait for a friend who can get them on Saturday but wondered if either of us stood a chance really..
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on August 29, 2018, 03:37:59 PM
Anyone know how these tickets are going and if there are many left?  I can get mine on Friday, ideally wanted to wait for a friend who can get them on Saturday but wondered if either of us stood a chance really..

Id just give them a call mate see what they reckon at the ticket office
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 29, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
Anyone know how these tickets are going and if there are many left?  I can get mine on Friday, ideally wanted to wait for a friend who can get them on Saturday but wondered if either of us stood a chance really..

527 left as of right now.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on August 29, 2018, 04:25:28 PM
527 left as of right now.

Out of the whole allocation?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on August 29, 2018, 04:41:13 PM
Out of the whole allocation?

From what I can tell yes.

Hovered over each block with the mouse and added up as I went along.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 29, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
From what I can tell yes.

Hovered over each block with the mouse and added up as I went along.

500 plus left and 1 or 2 blocks to be released. Every chance it could go to Friday/Saturday.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: AlbionBest on August 29, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
How do you check the loyalty points ?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 29, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
How do you check the loyalty points ?

Login online. Click on your name, select loyalty points.
Or call the ticket office.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: AlbionBest on August 29, 2018, 11:04:25 PM
Login online. Click on your name, select loyalty points.
Or call the ticket office.

Sorted !  Going quickly - I wonder how we COULD sell ?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: The Joust on August 30, 2018, 11:15:07 AM
9am Saturday should be fun  ???
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
Made the massive mistake of not purchasing my Luton ticket with my season ticket

Therefore having to wait until Saturday to purchase my ticket
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2018, 01:30:03 PM
We've sold in the Blues sections already. People who don't have the loyalty points are using their contacts / initiative   and not taking any chances.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 30, 2018, 01:59:35 PM
Made the massive mistake of not purchasing my Luton ticket with my season ticket

Therefore having to wait until Saturday to purchase my ticket

Call them to add it on
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on August 31, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
Viler in peace

My Mrs is an Albion fan and season ticket holder but she's worked her points out wrong so can't get a ticket. I know you'll probably tell me to sod off being a Viler but if anyone knows of a spare reference or ticket keep her in mind. Score me some husband points  ;D Cheers
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Viler in peace

My Mrs is an Albion fan and season ticket holder but she's worked her points out wrong so can't get a ticket. I know you'll probably tell me to sod off being a Viler but if anyone knows of a spare reference or ticket keep her in mind. Score me some husband points  ;D Cheers

Did you use Rohipnol? Why the hell did she marry you?  ;D

On your tagline, you fail to mention when, surprisingly - not !
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on August 31, 2018, 11:12:24 AM
Did you use Rohipnol? Why the hell did she marry you?  ;D

On your tagline, you fail to mention when, surprisingly - not !
I can't answer the first question, there may be children reading  :D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 31, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
Just been down to collect mine (and have a look at the excellent art too!) girl behind the counter said they still had plenty left
COYB
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 31, 2018, 07:53:02 PM
200 plus left and I’m certain 2 blocks are still to be released
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 31, 2018, 08:32:21 PM
200 plus left and I’m certain 2 blocks are still to be released
If you mean the two blocks to the right on the stadium plan as you look down on it then I'm pretty sure they are not allocated to away supporters I think they are GML 5&6
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on August 31, 2018, 10:37:49 PM
If you mean the two blocks to the right on the stadium plan as you look down on it then I'm pretty sure they are not allocated to away supporters I think they are GML 5&6

It says on our website that we get GML 4 and 5 but I think they’ve got it wrong as why wouldnt they be available yet..
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on September 01, 2018, 07:58:26 AM
This is a joke, just read on Twitter that loads of fans who are season ticket holders without enough points to qualify for a ticket yet they have just phoned up (yesterday) and brought tickets no questions asked.
I earned my points fair and square, so what is the reason for having a point system if the club don’t enforce it?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
This is a joke, just read on Twitter that loads of fans who are season ticket holders without enough points to qualify for a ticket yet they have just phoned up (yesterday) and brought tickets no questions asked.
I earned my points fair and square, so what is the reason for having a point system if the club don’t enforce it?

If that is true something as gone wrong with the ticket office statement.

Friday, August 31: Home Season Ticket Holders with 1535 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability
Saturday, September 1: Season Ticket Holders with 1500 points or more (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability
Monday, September 3: All Season Ticket Holders regardless of points (online, in person & phone from 9am) subject to availability
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: ben_westbrom on September 01, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
Sold out according to the WBA Tickets site. No more available in any section.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Powelly on September 01, 2018, 09:12:48 AM
Sold out according to the WBA Tickets site. No more available in any section.

GML5 section not on sale. Does anyone know when that will be released online?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on September 01, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
Sold out according to the WBA Tickets site. No more available in any section.

People reserving tickets in their basket from 7am and then just refreshing their internet page until 9am when they became eligible.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Sted1990 on September 01, 2018, 09:14:11 AM
GML5 section not on sale. Does anyone know when that will be released online?

Maybe if you call them you can buy them on the phone
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Singhwba on September 01, 2018, 09:20:29 AM
Got 2 tickets but sitting 1 row apart. Whats the chances of being able to sit with my son?
Annoyingly people who didnt earn enough points managed to get tickets yesterday.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Trawl on September 01, 2018, 09:40:24 AM
Does anyone know what time the day “starts” on the online system. I had a ticket in my basket online around 1am this morning after being late in from work. I only qualified for tickets today 1520 points. But the system would not let me buy it. There were a smattering if tickets left then. Just tried again - sold out. Frustrating. Just wondered if the day starts at 9am or something rather than midnight.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: ben_westbrom on September 01, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Does anyone know what time the day “starts” on the online system. I had a ticket in my basket online around 1am this morning after being late in from work. I only qualified for tickets today 1520 points. But the system would not let me buy it. There were a smattering if tickets left then. Just tried again - sold out. Frustrating. Just wondered if the day starts at 9am or something rather than midnight.

Yeah, it's 9am mate.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Trawl on September 01, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
Yeah, it's 9am mate.

Ta mate, bought one on phone just, said about 100 left going fast. I was 20th in q when I rang.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 01, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
It says on our website that we get GML 4 and 5 but I think they’ve got it wrong as why wouldnt they be available yet..
My ticket was/is in GML4 collected yesterday so presumably they are selling tickets in the unreleased blocks but hadn't updated the website
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on September 01, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
If anyone ever has a spare please  send me a message  :-*
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on September 02, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
Sold out yesterday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/september/blues-trip-sold-out/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 02, 2018, 07:24:30 PM
Sold out yesterday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/september/blues-trip-sold-out/
I believe it is well worth constantly checking for any returned tickets as a long shot option
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 03, 2018, 08:31:52 AM
Our first real derby for 3 seasons and our first against the noses since our 2-1 FA cup win in Jan 2015. The last time we faced them in the league, 7 years ago, we won both home and away. In fact, Blues haven't beaten us since 2006.

Looking forward to the game and hoping we turn them over. Monk is doing a good job at the circus so we have to take then seriously but it's hard to see them finishing higher than mid table.

Will our ability show through or will derby day nerves get to us?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Sted1990 on September 03, 2018, 09:58:16 AM
Really we should be winning but anything can happen in a derby and an away point wouldn’t be too bad at all.

They will win one soon enough just hopefully not that night.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 03, 2018, 10:06:54 AM
Saw their home game against Swansea I believe it was and they were all over them. Jota looked good .
Derby game yes but if we want automatic this is another we should be winning. Need to go on a run now, get in the top two before November and stay there.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 03, 2018, 10:30:16 AM
Should be a comfortable win, the gulf in class between the two sides is quite something
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
Looking forward to this game...first game against the noses for a while so should be an entertaining game

Id expect us to beat them 9/10 but in a local derby its hard to call...anything can happen!

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on September 03, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
Our first real derby for 3 seasons and our first against the noses since our 2-1 FA cup win in Jan 2015. The last time we faced them in the league, 7 years ago, we won both home and away. In fact, Blues haven't beaten us since 2006.

Looking forward to the game and hoping we turn them over. Monk is doing a good job at the circus so we have to take then seriously but it's hard to see them finishing higher than mid table.

Will our ability show through or will derby day nerves get to us?

In fairness this will only be the fifth time we've played them since then.

I remember being at St Andrews when they beat us 4-0 in 2004.

Went out with some Blues supporting pals on the night and never heard the end of it.

They got it back when we did them 1-3 in the League in 2011.

The 4-0 still rankles though and I don't want that feeling again.

COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on September 03, 2018, 11:53:17 AM
Looking forward to this game...first game against the noses for a while so should be an entertaining game

Id expect us to beat them 9/10 but in a local derby its hard to call...anything can happen!
Admire your optimism mate but 9 or 10 is a bit much, I'd settle for 8-0  ;)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2018, 11:54:08 AM
Admire your optimism mate but 9 or 10 is a bit much, I'd settle for 8-0  ;)

I think I could settle for that aswell!!  ;D

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 03, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
Looking forward to this game...first game against the noses for a while so should be an entertaining game

Id expect us to beat them 9/10 but in a local derby its hard to call...anything can happen!

This is very true, it's all about who handles the occasion better.
 I think the same thing is often true for returning players and could be said about Berahino's returns to the Hawthorns, he just doesn't seem to be able to handle the pressure and the negativity from the stands and has so far put in 2 poor performances (long may it continue).
 Nyom was the same at Watford the other season when they beat us 2-0 in a midweek fixture, he played well against them at home but seemed rattled by the pressure away.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiebof on September 03, 2018, 12:51:45 PM
They'll probably press us high early doors and try to feed off of the atmosphere of a derby game played under the lights on a Friday night. They pressed Swansea very hard when they played a few games back and Swansea were lucky in that first 45 especially not to be behind.

I think if we can see out that first 20-30mins, we will be ok. Hopefully with two weeks of training now, we can improve on playing out from the back as we haven't mastered that yet. Only Hegazi from the regular first XI is away on international duty so there should be plenty of opportunity to work on team shape and patterns of play. With Hegazi being away, I do wonder whether we will start the game with Adarabioyo as he'll be apart of the training over the next fortnight.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: The Joust on September 04, 2018, 03:57:03 PM
I was ringing Saturday morning from 9am (rang 82 times - got the 'queue full message) so while I was calling logged into the ticket site online and managed to get 2.
Title: Boozeers
Post by: The Joust on September 05, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
Where are people drinking who are going? Am I right in thinking the Briar Rose was where we went previously?
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: leeiswba on September 05, 2018, 09:34:18 AM
Where are people drinking who are going? Am I right in thinking the Briar Rose was where we went previously?

Briar Rose have stated they will not be accepting football fans in this season which I think is a disgrace.

Sun on the Hill right next door I'm sure will have a few in
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: kc56wba on September 05, 2018, 10:01:07 AM
Square Peg will have a few in no doubt.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: AlbionFan on September 05, 2018, 10:57:37 AM
Places or people??  ;D
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: DaveWBA on September 05, 2018, 01:45:07 PM
Briar Rose have stated they will not be accepting football fans in this season which I think is a disgrace.

Sun on the Hill right next door I'm sure will have a few in

Briar Rose have said they're not taking football fans, if you can get in then you might get a few quiet pints in. There's absolutely no way of proving who is and isn't a football fan anyway.

The usual places round town will be busy, Shakespeare, Troc, Bull Ring Tav, Railway, can even venture down to Hennesseys or the Kerryman.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: The Joust on September 05, 2018, 08:17:40 PM
Square Peg is probably best shout tbf thinking about it
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: SmethDan on September 06, 2018, 01:01:39 AM
Square Peg is probably best shout tbf thinking about it

If the Square Peg is the best shout in any competition then having a few cans at home before heading to the ground via New St would be favourable to me.

Currently planning on a couple in either Sutton or Erdington before heading into Brum' and taking a chance on Hennesseys (as I did without hitch for the FA Cup game).

There's a host of possibilities in Brum and Digbeth though and far too many to list in detail.

As an aside:

I can't see the Briar Rose having a hope in hell of preventing supporters without colours drinking there.

All they could do in reality is ask if you've got a ticket for the game and say bye bye.

Surely only a fkmunter with a diminishing supply of oxygen to the brain would openly admit to having one in any such circumstance knowing there's a local game on?

Or then again  :-X .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on September 06, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
Blues have released an extra 198 tickets for this fixture.

They go on sale on Monday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/september/extra-blues-tickets-available/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on September 06, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
Need some help please lads. Is anyone going to the game by car from Worcester and would be willing to give this poor old sod a lift back to Worcester City centre. There is a train at 23.00 from New street but with my walking problem I am worried I may miss the train.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: Nathan on September 06, 2018, 07:04:29 PM
If the Square Peg is the best shout in any competition then having a few cans at home before heading to the ground via New St would be favourable to me.

Currently planning on a couple in either Sutton or Erdington before heading into Brum' and taking a chance on Hennesseys (as I did without hitch for the FA Cup game).

There's a host of possibilities in Brum and Digbeth though and far too many to list in detail.

As an aside:

I can't see the Briar Rose having a hope in hell of preventing supporters without colours drinking there.

All they could do in reality is ask if you've got a ticket for the game and say bye bye.

Surely only a fkmunter with a diminishing supply of oxygen to the brain would openly admit to having one in any such circumstance knowing there's a local game on?

Or then again  :-X .

That made me chuckle, I was going to post something similar yesterday! If anyone's idea of the best place for a pint in Brum on a Blues v Albion matchday is a dirty, stinking Wetherspoons with a van load of WMP's finest watching your every move with their video cameras in your face at every turn, then good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: kc56wba on September 06, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I know a few that will be going into the Square Peg but it aye for me, small pub by Snow Hill for me.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: Foster#1 on September 07, 2018, 08:01:39 AM
Square peg ffs ...

Don't most of you spend Friday  night in your spoons sniffed up as it is ..

I hope weatherspoons go into admin...
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: SmethDan on September 07, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Square peg ffs ...

Don't most of you spend Friday  night in your spoons sniffed up as it is ..

I hope weatherspoons go into admin...

Er, no.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: kc56wba on September 07, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
Square peg ffs ...

Don't most of you spend Friday  night in your spoons sniffed up as it is ..

I hope weatherspoons go into admin...

I agree with you about them going into admin, hate Tim Martin with a vengence.

Friday night in spoons? I dont think so.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
I know a few that will be going into the Square Peg but it aye for me, small pub by Snow Hill for me.
Old contemptibles is a good boozer by snow hill
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: kc56wba on September 07, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
Old contemptibles is a good boozer by snow hill


Or the Old Royal.  ;)
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2018, 11:24:59 AM

Or the Old Royal.  ;)

Good call, both decent boozers
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kie the baggie on September 07, 2018, 06:57:13 PM
anyone know of a spare going?
Title: Commentary
Post by: throstle on September 08, 2018, 07:43:20 AM
Commentary on Talksport 2

https://talksport.com/radio/schedule/2018-09-14/#talkSPORT2-Schedule
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mank baggie on September 08, 2018, 08:34:33 AM
I'll be in Malta for this, it should be on telly in one of the bars, think it'll be a scrappy win for us
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on September 08, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
I think the opposite,I think we will press them high and pin them back into their own half,their crowd will get on blue's backs and they will be terrified of our power,they're struggling,poss 12 points deduction they're very nervous to try expansively so we will get our first clean sheet of the season with a comfortable win by a couple of goals maybe three.
No worries.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: DaveWBA on September 10, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
anyone know of a spare going?

Always worth asking the ticket office if there's been any returns mate. There's always spares knocking about on Twitter as well.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on September 10, 2018, 11:09:00 AM
The extra 198 tickets were snapped up first thing this morning.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/september/extra-blues-tickets-snapped-up/
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2018, 11:22:10 AM
Cant believe i turned down the offer of a ticket, obviously previous regime still lingering. Score 1-1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: skyclad99 on September 10, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
A couple of my blue nose friends think we will batter them. I am not so sure but I think we will nick this 2-1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on September 10, 2018, 12:03:46 PM
 First clean sheet,0-3 .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on September 10, 2018, 01:08:15 PM
You never know with Albion but we really should beat them. 2-0.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 10, 2018, 02:30:27 PM
anyone know of a spare going?
Always worth asking the ticket office if there's been any returns mate. There's always spares knocking about on Twitter as well.
Look out for KitmanPat on twitter who has a good range of contacts (taps side of nose sort of contacts, know whet I mean nudge, nudge, wink wink)  ;)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on September 10, 2018, 04:22:31 PM
If we have serious aspirations of the top 2, and we should have, we need to start laying down a marker.

We've had a fractured start and an uncertain transfer window, yet a bit of concentration to avoid late goals and we could have been sat unbeaten. I know its a little silly to state that, as they are defeats all the same but its always a harder to take in that fashion. We also won't have to go to Middlesborough away or Forest away again. You could even make a case for Norwich being one of the tougher away games in the division.

Hopefully two weeks together and focused has helped the squad. With 6 league games in the next month before the next international break it would be great to navigate that spell unbeaten. I think we can do it, and will start by beating blues.

3-1 Albion win (Followed with 4 wins and a draw!)

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBArgo on September 10, 2018, 05:40:22 PM
Lots of positivity here, reminds me of the atmosphere before the Bolton game  :'(

Generally Birmingham are poor, but I watched them vs Swansea at home and they looked decent, so who knows?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on September 10, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
Yes but were better than Swansea I would say.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: liverbaggie on September 10, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
How many tickets have blues sold anybody have any idea?
What numbers would it take to sell out?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2018, 08:20:17 PM
Just a possibility that the threatened points deduction will send Blues into siege mentality - they did dominate against Swansea. We should know by now that we can't assume an easy win.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on September 10, 2018, 09:48:52 PM
Lots of positivity here, reminds me of the atmosphere before the Bolton game  :'(

Generally Birmingham are poor, but I watched them vs Swansea at home and they looked decent, so who knows?
Derby game , form book out the window.
Certainly won't be able just to turn up and expect to win.
Title: Match Officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 11, 2018, 08:37:35 AM
Referee: Andrew Madley
Assistant Referee: Steven Meredith
Assistant Referee: Lee Venamore
Fourth Official: Robert Jones
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albionic on September 11, 2018, 09:54:40 AM
We should win, but our lot and performing when expected to ?

2-2
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: SmethDan on September 11, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
Bobby 'Sniffer' Madley's older brother, could be interesting  ;D .

Could be in for a wuff time  :o .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on September 11, 2018, 11:07:45 AM
Blues are expecting a gate of around 22,000 for the game, which is also being broadcast live on Sky Sports.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/09/11/west-brom-set-to-be-backed-by-3000-fans-in-derby-clash/

22k , ground holds 30k. Might aswell of given us more tickets
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: The Joust on September 11, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
0-4
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: DaveWBA on September 11, 2018, 11:34:07 AM
Blues haven't won a game yet this season... enter West Brom. You know exactly what is going to happen.

A first clean sheet would be absolutely great. I fancy us to score in most games.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kie the baggie on September 11, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Still after a ticket if any one cant make it :-[
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2018, 07:57:56 AM
Blues are expecting a gate of around 22,000 for the game, which is also being broadcast live on Sky Sports.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/09/11/west-brom-set-to-be-backed-by-3000-fans-in-derby-clash/

22k , ground holds 30k. Might aswell of given us more tickets

We could probably have sold at least 4000 tickets but maybe they couldn't give us anymore as it would have meant moving some of their own fans from what I would imagine is a partisan section of supporters( like moving the Smethwick fans for a league game). I know it happens for cup games but I'm sure cup games allow a higher away allocation than league games.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on September 12, 2018, 08:03:50 AM
We could probably have sold at least 4000 tickets but maybe they couldn't give us anymore as it would have meant moving some of their own fans from what I would imagine is a partisan section of supporters( like moving the Smethwick fans for a league game). I know it happens for cup games but I'm sure cup games allow a higher away allocation than league games.

Going back a while now but we were moved out of the Smeth on several occasions for League games when in the Championship too, most notably for Wolves and Man City.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: DaveWBA on September 12, 2018, 08:12:57 AM
We could probably have sold at least 4000 tickets but maybe they couldn't give us anymore as it would have meant moving some of their own fans from what I would imagine is a partisan section of supporters( like moving the Smethwick fans for a league game). I know it happens for cup games but I'm sure cup games allow a higher away allocation than league games.

It's not that mate, I think quite often the section behind the goal next to the away fans (Villa game aside) is pretty much a family section. It's to do with segregation and access I believe, for the cup game a few years back our tickets were right down by the tunnel and we had to access via the other side of the stand. Presumably for a night league game they want all away fans coming and going from the same entrance/exit. Plus they're not exactly flush with cash and it'll keep their police bill down.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
It's not that mate, I think quite often the section behind the goal next to the away fans (Villa game aside) is pretty much a family section. It's to do with segregation and access I believe, for the cup game a few years back our tickets were right down by the tunnel and we had to access via the other side of the stand. Presumably for a night league game they want all away fans coming and going from the same entrance/exit. Plus they're not exactly flush with cash and it'll keep their police bill down.

Ah cheers for providing some clarity, makes sense.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 13, 2018, 10:01:13 AM
3 points & a clean sheet would do me nicely thanks.
Patience on & off the field will be the order of the day.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 13, 2018, 11:12:54 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1040180203190972416

Hopefully Green and Yellow kit tomorrow folks  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Proper football with a proper kit!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 13, 2018, 11:19:01 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1040180203190972416

Hopefully Green and Yellow kit tomorrow folks  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Proper football with a proper kit!


Its a magical football top. we will play in our green & yellow without doubt :) look forward to seeing the masses of green & yellow on the box
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 13, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
Two tickets currently being offered on Twitter for 40 quid by Claire Wheeler (Jeff Astle's daughter I believe)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: leeiswba on September 13, 2018, 04:48:34 PM
Looking forward to it now, let’s just hope I don’t spend my time cringing at our fans and theirs when they start clapping eachother for singing s**t on the Villa. Then follow it up with ‘we hate villa more than you’. Definitely going to happen unfortunately, I bet the whole of Aston will be in tears of laughter at it and the same Albion/Blues fans wont like it when they call them obsessed.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: dan7heman on September 13, 2018, 05:42:15 PM
We are even money... get on lads, we got this.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: jamesh_91 on September 13, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
Cannot wait for this now. Missed the Stoke game as I was in the air on the way to Tenerife. Going to be sporting the green and yellow shirt for this one.

2-0 to the Albion.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Pie on September 13, 2018, 10:45:34 PM
Really excited for this, wish I was there it should be a great atmosphere.

0-3 Albion (Gayle x2, Phillips)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 13, 2018, 11:20:50 PM
I’m sensing over-confidence again! 1-1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 12:26:05 AM
Looking forward to this. 4:30am jump out of bed for this :)

Always a great atmosphere but think we will get something from this. Hoping Dawson has picked himself up and dusted himself down to put in another shift and see a clean sheet.

0-2

COYB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on September 14, 2018, 02:45:11 AM
I am hoping for a clean sheet, either 1-0 or 2-0 will do me nicely.

As an overseas fan, I have to admit I don't really get the hype over the green and yellow kit - my thoughts are we are always blue and white.

That's the shirt I have.

Why does everyone go nutty at the green and yellow strip. Too close to Norwich City isn't it?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 14, 2018, 02:59:44 AM
I am hoping for a clean sheet, either 1-0 or 2-0 will do me nicely.

As an overseas fan, I have to admit I don't really get the hype over the green and yellow kit - my thoughts are we are always blue and white.

That's the shirt I have.

Why does everyone go nutty at the green and yellow strip. Too close to Norwich City isn't it?
In short... it reminds some of us of the team that should’ve won the league.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 14, 2018, 07:55:24 AM
We've pretty much always had it good against the Blues but this is going to be a tough game. Truth be told, I'd take a point. Boing Boing.

Oh and any Baggies in the home end should behave themselves, or else they'll quickly find this derby is not so 'friendly' after all.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Standaman on September 14, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
Any way you want to cut this with or without a points deduction Blues are probably going to finish in the bottom half of the league. If we want to be genuine contenders for promotion these are the games we need to win. The fact that it is a local derby is neither here nor there. I am not saying Blues won't present any problems and they may even raise their game but ultimately we need to win here because whoever gets into the promotion mix probably will.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2018, 08:53:06 AM
I have a feeling we will get beat tonight (and i am usually optimistic)

A few of their games they have been very unlucky not to win and at some point that is going to click, with the recent news about point deduction, the whole club uniting with the threat of points deduction, they will create a siege mentality which is when Blues are at their best.

Talent wise we are better than them but i havent been convinced by us away from home so far, if we approach it anything like we did the Forest, first half vs Norwich and Boro games, ie - let them take control, i really do think we will get beat.

If we play like we did against Stoke with that approach i think we would win comfortably but i think we will change as its away from home.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
Should be an easy enough win with our side in comparison to theirs. Anything less is unacceptable.

Blues 0-2 Albion
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: timdon on September 14, 2018, 09:24:36 AM
I have a feeling we will get beat tonight (and i am usually optimistic)

A few of their games they have been very unlucky not to win and at some point that is going to click, with the recent news about point deduction, the whole club uniting with the threat of points deduction, they will create a siege mentality which is when Blues are at their best.

Talent wise we are better than them but i havent been convinced by us away from home so far, if we approach it anything like we did the Forest, first half vs Norwich and Boro games, ie - let them take control, i really do think we will get beat.

If we play like we did against Stoke with that approach i think we would win comfortably but i think we will change as its away from home.
I agree with your analysis. Blues have been better than their raw results suggest. A few on here are far too cocky for my liking.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: DaveWBA on September 14, 2018, 09:39:42 AM
I agree with your analysis. Blues have been better than their raw results suggest. A few on here are far too cocky for my liking.

True. They'll come flying at us, if we make it to half-time level or in front I back us to win.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 14, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
Late change of plan here means I'm probably going to have to drive over there sadly  :o
Any advice or thoughts on parking round there as I have read on SHA they have problems with the locals over parking
COYB
Should have added coming from city centre
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: DaveWBA on September 14, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
Late change of plan here means I'm probably going to have to drive over there sadly  :o
Any advice or thoughts on parking round there as I have read on SHA they have problems with the locals over parking
COYB

Where are you driving from? If you have enough time you could always park somewhere West Brom side of Birmingham and get the train straight through the Bordesley. Would certainly make it easier getting away afterwards. Failing that you're at the mercy of whatever people are charging for "secure parking".

This might help.

https://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/england/championship/st-andrews-birmingham-city.html#adirections-and-car-parking
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on September 14, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
We've pretty much always had it good against the Blues but this is going to be a tough game. Truth be told, I'd take a point. Boing Boing.

Oh and any Baggies in the home end should behave themselves, or else they'll quickly find this derby is not so 'friendly' after all.

So true. Scariest ground in the country if you get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. As I have found out to my cost in the past.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on September 14, 2018, 11:56:46 AM
I am hoping for a clean sheet, either 1-0 or 2-0 will do me nicely.

As an overseas fan, I have to admit I don't really get the hype over the green and yellow kit - my thoughts are we are always blue and white.

That's the shirt I have.

Why does everyone go nutty at the green and yellow strip. Too close to Norwich City isn't it?

These might help convince you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEVXtbNiraA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_RpQ58fztw
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on September 14, 2018, 12:42:23 PM
Think it’l be 1-1 tonight Jrod for us that big lump upfront for them. I don’t think we’ve got the set up away from home right up until now, Forrest thoroughly outplayed us for 80 minutes, we did very little at Borough and first half against Norwich we were second best. Be great if we could put in a convincing performance tonight and come away with a solid 2-0 win. If we get outplayed again and loose 2-1 or something the away form will be seen as a problem which could have a physchological affect on the team.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on September 14, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
People are saying that blues have played well and been unlucky with their results,as I don't have any interest in them I'm wondering who have they played so far?
They will be terrified of us coming to their own ground with our supporters singing their heads off,we are too good for them,if we press them high straight away I think they will be very nervous and scared to make a mistake I think we will be too clever,too strong and have goals in us,we get one first and its over for them,should they get one first they will then feel our speed and power.
0-3
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 01:38:47 PM
People are saying that blues have played well and been unlucky with their results,as I don't have any interest in them I'm wondering who have they played so far?
They will be terrified of us coming to their own ground with our supporters singing their heads off,we are too good for them,if we press them high straight away I think they will be very nervous and scared to make a mistake I think we will be too clever,too strong and have goals in us,we get one first and its over for them,should they get one first they will then feel our speed and power.
0-3


They played well 1st half vs Swansea and Monk talks a good game. Like us there are where they are on merit and we should be going there and coming away with 3 points.
Title: Re: Boozeers
Post by: The Joust on September 14, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Sun on the hill might be a good shout next door to briar rose
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albion79 on September 14, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
We can only go on what we have seen so far and our approaches to away games have been to sit off and try and weather the storm, we got lucky against Forest and came unstuck against Boro, credit to us, 2nd half against Norwich we played our own game and won.

If we approach tonight like we have home games, ie - on the front front i think we would win comfortable, however based on away form this season i think we will approach it different to home games and thats where we could come unstuck.

Not been arrogant but as a newly relegated club and with adding the likes of Barnes and Gayle, we should be taking the games to all clubs home or away and letting our quality shine through, on the law of averages we will lose some but we shouldnt be changing our approach too much no matter who we play.

In the premier league we are making up the numbers, in the championship we are one of the big guns and we should embrace that, use the fear factor in our favour, if you end up in this league too long you lose that.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
Expecting to win this one to be fair.

We should be going to teams like this and beating them...however it’s a derby and the firm book goes out of the window
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 14, 2018, 04:31:18 PM
Have to be on front foot in every game because at the minute we can't seem to defend, conceded goals in every league game this season.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on September 14, 2018, 06:13:13 PM
I'll be in Malta for this, it should be on telly in one of the bars, think it'll be a scrappy win for us
In Italy myself, forgot the 1 hour time difference and got a bit carried away on the vino rather early, been wondering why there was still wrestling on the bar telly.  COYB.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: wbadazza on September 14, 2018, 06:50:30 PM
Starting XI: Jphnstone, Bartley, Livermore, Phillips, Brunt, Townsend, Barnes, Gayle, Rodriguez, Dawson, Hegazi

Subs: Myhill, Gibbs, Robson-Kanu, Burke, Barry, Edwards, Adarabioyo
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2018, 06:56:16 PM
Field and Harper representing England at U17 and U20 levels but Gareth Barry, who will be retired next season, keeps them out of the squad. Short-termism at its finest.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 14, 2018, 06:57:26 PM
Field and Harper representing England at U17 and U20 levels but Gareth Barry, who will be retired next season, keeps them out of the squad. Short-termism at its finest.

Or maybe he is the better player at the moment. Who knows.

More surprising is Gibbs.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: viaductbaggies on September 14, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
Gibbs has been ill this week
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
Starting XI: Jphnstone, Bartley, Livermore, Phillips, Brunt, Townsend, Barnes, Gayle, Rodriguez, Dawson, Hegazi

Subs: Myhill, Gibbs, Robson-Kanu, Burke, Barry, Edwards, Adarabioyo

Strong starting 11 & should be enough to get us the 3 points.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 07:11:55 PM
I'll be disappointed if we don't get 3 points here.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: wimbledon baggie on September 14, 2018, 07:14:17 PM
Is that 4-4-2?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2018, 07:15:34 PM
Is that 4-4-2?
Phillips as RBW as usual im guessing.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Is that 4-4-2?

3-4-1-2 ,  Phillips Townsend playing has wing backs
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on September 14, 2018, 07:23:01 PM
Field and Harper representing England at U17 and U20 levels but Gareth Barry, who will be retired next season, keeps them out of the squad. Short-termism at its finest.
3 games this week, hope to see more adventurous selection at home
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 07:23:43 PM
Need some help please lads. Is anyone going to the game by car from Worcester and would be willing to give this poor old sod a lift back to Worcester City centre. There is a train at 23.00 from New street but with my walking problem I am worried I may miss the train.

Must be plenty of trains back from the game after an evening kick off surely?  :P
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
3 games this week, hope to see more adventurous selection at home

More than enough games over the next 6 weeks or so for the squad to be fully utilized .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 07:32:35 PM
Big Geoff Horsefield interviewed again about his charity work, proper good bloke he is
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 07:34:06 PM
Is that 4-4-2?

It'll be 3 at the back with Phillips at RWB and Townsend at LWB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
Myers on the bench in place of Gibbs
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on September 14, 2018, 07:36:42 PM
Top man the horse,I heard his interview on ts2 very down to earth,got the impression that he fancies the baggies tonight.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:40:02 PM
"Feed the horse & he will score" a very true saying.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
Come on you Baggies.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: koren on September 14, 2018, 07:47:48 PM
Come on Albion!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
Come on Albion
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 07:53:08 PM
Started brightly and on the front foot, but letting them in the game a bit now. Not much quality so far
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Steady but no progress
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:00:04 PM
Gardener should have had a yellow for that tackle
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 14, 2018, 08:01:26 PM
Bartley distribution is awful
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:02:21 PM
The long ball isn't doing us any favours.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:02:43 PM
Steady but no progress


We have to be patient & just keep building up the pressure on them blue noses 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:05:41 PM
We need to wake up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
Gayle just hit the side netting, unlucky there.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:07:29 PM
Nice one two between Phillips & Gayle
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:07:53 PM
Young Barnes getting bullied tonight. Bartley has been dire again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:08:26 PM
Long ball again let us down
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:09:42 PM
STOP those long balls !!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
Young Barnes getting bullied tonight. Bartley has been dire again.

He needs to toughen up but times on his side.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:12:16 PM
yet another long ball...Straight out.  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Pie on September 14, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
we look so much better when we attack more patiently, what is with the long balls?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Phillips with a hard shot just wide. Our distribution needs to improve if we want to be challenging at the top.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
STOP those long balls !!!!

With the blues holding a high line they are looking to often to give Gayle a chance to hit them on the break but i haven't seen anything from them to worry us.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:13:57 PM
This keeper is like Dracula. Dreadful. 1-0.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:14:11 PM
0-1 jota

Such poor defending. Absolutely scandalous
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 08:14:21 PM
Jota for blues.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on September 14, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Disgraceful defending that
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 08:14:50 PM
Terrible defending and keeping
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
Rubbish. Awful defending all over the place. Keeper no mans land. Dawson beaten in the air and a spare man taps it in
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:14:57 PM
Undone by playing long balls...Giving it to them !  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 14, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
Surprised to see us concede a goal where we have been done in the air and then second to the knockdown. I mean it has rarely happened this season.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:15:27 PM
Penalty Blues. Handball.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
Surprised to see us concede a goal where we have been done in the air and then second to the knockdown. I mean it has rarely happened this season.

You'd think teams would target this more. Oh wait they have. Penalty now
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Bartley. Appalling player.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:16:16 PM
Defensively poor but the goalkeeper really, really scares me still, thought he'd have settled by now but obviously not...

edit: and now it's a penalty... great...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Poor keeping again he must be a vampire because he hates cross, there was me saying that i hadnt seen anything from them. ::)
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 08:16:31 PM
Get rid of Bartley asap, absolute waste of money - brainless and clueless
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 14, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
We have centre halves who can't defend. Theu are so pooh in the air. Twice already today
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Penalty to blues for handball against Bartley.

Saved.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
Jesus, Bartley is a liability.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
Brilliant save.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 08:17:01 PM
What a save
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:17:19 PM
Big save there. Kept us in the game that has
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:17:31 PM
saved
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:17:35 PM
Defensively poor but the goalkeeper really, really scares me

haha, excellent way to make me eat my words, well done young man on the save
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wba_1996 on September 14, 2018, 08:17:56 PM
Need to wake up, this is absolutely diabolical. Bartley has been horrendous.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:18:09 PM
Poor keeping again he must be a vampire because he hates cross, there was me saying that i hadnt seen anything from them. ::)

But saves Penalties  ???
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:18:30 PM
Back to hoof and hope.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
Need to weather this pressure now and try to get forward. They're not a good side at all
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 14, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Bartley is actually terrible, like I’d rather play Sam Field at CB. We need to wake up and start playing some football. Phillips looks a threat down right hand side, can’t say the same for Townsend
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:19:27 PM
We have to STOP those long balls. We aren't under Pulis with hoof and hope. !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
Jesus, Bartley is a liability.

Bartley is actually terrible, like I’d rather play Sam Field at CB. We need to wake up and start playing some football. Phillips looks a threat down right hand side, can’t say the same for Townsend

agreed on both counts
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Ross on September 14, 2018, 08:19:58 PM
We’ll win the majority of home games, but the away games will do us. Current lineup won’t win many away game  :o ;D
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 14, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
I rated Johnstone so highly when we bought him. Always looked quality and nothing but rave reviews. Concerned with what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:20:14 PM
You can see our dilemma again. We're knocking it about at the back, but the defenders are waiting for someone in the middle to distribute too on the deck and there's a big gaping hole there.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:20:36 PM
That first touch by Livermore ffs. England international  :-X
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2018, 08:21:12 PM
Bartley is a horrible footballer. If we want to play from the back he shouldn't play. He'd fit a deep lying Pulis team maybe but not this set up
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
And the keeper needs to come off his line more. Putting us under unneeded pressure every time the ball comes anywhere near our box.

Half chance for townsend.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:23:18 PM
That's a foul on Hegazi too.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:23:26 PM
We have the two worst CDs and the shyest goalkeeper in the league. We really are shocking at the back. Bartley almost gave away another penalty by jumping in.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kirk on September 14, 2018, 08:24:26 PM
Awful, over run in midfield and Bartley who the f uk decided to buy him. We can’t even drop to a back 4 now as we have no right back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
Bartley is absolutely infuriating- why is he always shirt grabbing?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:25:27 PM
Bartley is absolutely infuriating- why is he always shirt grabbing?

Because he's not good enough to play by the rules.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 08:25:54 PM
Get in Phillips
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 08:26:04 PM
Phillips been best player by a distance and deserves that goal.

Woeful defending from them
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
Brilliant goal 1-1 Phillips. Bit of luck thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 14, 2018, 08:26:24 PM
Goal phillips
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:27:00 PM
Its a one man goal Phillips
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:27:07 PM
Get in. Should go on to win this now against what is, let's be honest, a league 1 team on the brink of administration.

And we thought we were bad at the back!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:27:18 PM
YES PHILLIPS!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 08:27:24 PM
Decent finish there from Phillips
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
Hard work and it paid off...Keep it on the deck and we stand a chance. Well done Matt.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: koren on September 14, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Philips!! 1-1.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 14, 2018, 08:28:10 PM
Can see Phillips being sniffed at in January.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 08:30:24 PM
Left side of the defence is very very poor. Missing Gibbs badly.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 14, 2018, 08:30:30 PM
Would it be fair to say that the good stuff we do is more down to the quality of the squad, rather than the tactical decisions of Darren Moore?  I love him, I really do, but I just can't understand the logic of any of his tactical decisions or lineups.

Said it before, but it feel like the 3-4-1-2 is just because:

A) it lets him shoehorn in his favourite players
B) it's attacking

We'd be killing these lot if we were set up properly.  As it is, Blues should have scored 3.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 14, 2018, 08:30:43 PM
3rd time. Ball into box. Nod down. Player free. Why is this so hard? How did we get so bad at this?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: mini gaardsoe on September 14, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
Beginning to despise Brunt, not really his fault I suppose being played there, but my god he is awful!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
Keep it on the floor and short passing. Is that too hard to understand?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:32:19 PM
Would it be fair to say that the good stuff we do is more down to the quality of the squad, rather than the tactical decisions of Darren Moore?  I love him, I really do, but I just can't understand the logic of any of his tactical decisions or lineups.

Said it before, but it feel like the 3-4-1-2 is just because:

A) it lets him shoehorn in his favourite players
B) it's attacking

We'd be killing these lot if we were set up properly.  As it is, Blues should have scored 3.
and how is that?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:32:31 PM
Difficult half for us - their work rate higher than ours. Bartley, Townsend, Hegazi and Dawson have all struggled to pass the ball from the back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:32:39 PM
Would it be fair to say that the good stuff we do is more down to the quality of the squad, rather than the tactical decisions of Darren Moore?  I love him, I really do, but I just can't understand the logic of any of his tactical decisions or lineups.

Said it before, but it feel like the 3-4-1-2 is just because:

A) it lets him shoehorn in his favourite players
B) it's attacking

We'd be killing these lot if we were set up properly. As it is, Blues should have scored 3.

I'm not so sure. While we're clearly better player-wise than them, we're playing 3 CBs and the amount of times they've got free men in the box is unbelievable. Think that's down to the players rather than the system. If we were playing 2 CBs in a different system I'm not sure it would be any better?

When Birmingham run out of steam in the second half, we'll walk this 3-1 at least.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 14, 2018, 08:32:52 PM
bartley an accident waiting to happen week after week M/ just cannot take to gin him

A Decent side will tear us a new one - we will cop a rollicking in one or some games
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Will someone; for the love of all things holy; saw off Bartley's F***ing arms?

Handball, grabbing shirts, grabbing arms.... get him off...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 08:33:47 PM
Bartley has been very poor

Losing the midfield AGAIN
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 08:34:15 PM
Think we're very lucky to be level. They should have at least 3 goals.

The townsend-bartley-hegazi trio has been really weak first half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
Also, another anonymous performance from JRod, really needs to get himself into the game more.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
I’m sick of watching the same performance in every away game. Moore has no sense of changing it...it’s ridiculous
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 08:35:25 PM
Limp lightweight , basically pathetic.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 08:36:12 PM
I'm not so sure. While we're clearly better player-wise than them, we're playing 3 CBs and the amount of times they've got free men in the box is unbelievable. Think that's down to the players rather than the system. If we were playing 2 CBs in a different system I'm not sure it would be any better?

When Birmingham run out of steam in the second half, we'll walk this 3-1 at least.

I think 2 CB's would be better. Dawson would be more central doing more crucial defending and Bartley could be dropped altogether.

We could then have proper full backs who could tuck in more often and defend rather than being stretched which is leading to a load of their chances by a) allowing crosses and b) giving them extra men in the box for knockdowns.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: koren on September 14, 2018, 08:36:35 PM
Created few chances on the front but shaky at the back.
Jota looks too good for Townsend.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 08:36:58 PM
Very lucky to be going in at 1-1

Massive improvement needed 2nd half
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on September 14, 2018, 08:37:26 PM
Bartley’s been shocking, Dawson’s given every ball away he’s played forward, the easy ball to the midfield is there every time and they try playing a hopeful one down the line. Take Bartley off go to a back 4 and get Barry on we’d completely control the midfield and get Rodriguez, Gayle & Barnes involved.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:38:08 PM
Created few chances on the front but shaky at the back.
Jota looks too good for Townsend.
Agree - we are missing Gibbs tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 08:38:19 PM
well that was there half for sure but they failed to capitalize on it so here's hope the 2nd half is ours & we do capitalize on any we have.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 14, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
Little movement from midfield to give the back three an option to pass into midfield. Birmingham not pressing which doesn’t help. Not impressed by Townsend.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 14, 2018, 08:39:13 PM
Where is the free flowing football that Jones has promised us ???  Where is midfield I mean Brunt the useless sod, go to back four and get Bartley off he's pooh.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:39:37 PM
We need more speed. Matt has shown that speed and trickery ON THE FLOOR can beat them.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
Bartley is one of the worst defenders we've had for many years, Rodriguez and Barnes have both been absent. midfield been bossed by Blues.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 08:40:10 PM
What a shocking signing bartley is
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:40:30 PM
Bartley’s been shocking, Dawson’s given every ball away he’s played forward, the easy ball to the midfield is there every time and they try playing a hopeful one down the line. Take Bartley off go to a back 4 and get Barry on we’d completely control the midfield and get Rodriguez, Gayle & Barnes involved.
For all the criticism of our defence we don't seem to be taking any pressure off them by not controlling the midfield. Blues have bossed it completely.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:41:22 PM
Bartley has yet to pass the ball to 1 single advanced player.....useless
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: eastander on September 14, 2018, 08:42:15 PM
Bartley’s been shocking, Dawson’s given every ball away he’s played forward, the easy ball to the midfield is there every time and they try playing a hopeful one down the line. Take Bartley off go to a back 4 and get Barry on we’d completely control the midfield and get Rodriguez, Gayle & Barnes involved.

Take Bartley off alone would see an instant improvement, liability.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Pie on September 14, 2018, 08:42:22 PM
I have thought some of the criticism of Bartley in previous games has been harsh but he has been awful tonight. That handball was disgraceful.

Personally would  swap brunt to LWB and bring on Barry.

Jay-rod very anonymous again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 08:43:03 PM
Can we please stop passing the ball sideways deep in our own half between the centre backs and actually get the ball into feet in their half? Defending non-league as usual. J-Rod no point him being on the pitch. Fuming with how amateurish a lot of our play is. Not a shot on target save for the goal. Blues missed a sitter and a penalty despite not having as much possession. We’ve had the ball and played it backwards all half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
Bartley has yet to pass the ball to 1 single advanced player.....useless
it's been frustrating for our front two with the poor quality of service coming from behind them. Tactically not quiet right between the defence and midfield.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 14, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
and how is that?
Well, not like this.  I think it's more a problem with the team selections than the formations in fairness, but I don't' think we have the personnel for 3 at the back.  Combining how far we push the "wingbacks" forward, and how slow our central midfield is, it's just leaving us hugely exposed at the back. 

Sure, a lot of it is carelessness and sloppy individual errors, but nothing about how we're set up feels right to me.  Fair play if others don't see it that way, though!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 14, 2018, 08:44:28 PM
Lucky these are garbage. Any decent side would have put us to the sword.
Brunt having ball from cb and giving it the other one.
Livermore hasn't touched the ball i don't think.
Front 3 not in game at all.
Phillips has been the only positive for me.

We need to change something be tempted to hook Rodriquez and get Burke on and see if we can some play down the left. Hopefully that would create some space for Barnes to have the ball
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 14, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
Bartley worse performance from a defender i have seen since Titus Bramble shocking
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
We have to stop the Pulisball hoofing. Even Pulis doesn't use it in the Championship.
Keep it on the floor and pass those short passes to the feet of our players.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2018, 08:46:26 PM
Would it be fair to say that the good stuff we do is more down to the quality of the squad, rather than the tactical decisions of Darren Moore?  I love him, I really do, but I just can't understand the logic of any of his tactical decisions or lineups.

Said it before, but it feel like the 3-4-1-2 is just because:

A) it lets him shoehorn in his favourite players
B) it's attacking

We'd be killing these lot if we were set up properly.  As it is, Blues should have scored 3.

I haven't seen if anybody else has replied but wouldn't any manager pick a formation that suits the players he wants to play??

It's attacking - good.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: telford baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
Beginning to despise Brunt, not really his fault I suppose being played there, but my god he is awful!
fully agree Darren Moore has to take full responsability keep playing him, he is truly awful in cm..hes not a leader at all he hides away or throws his arms around the blokes past it
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2018, 08:47:09 PM
Lucky to be drawing, hopefully we can take the initiative - well done Johnston and Phillips though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2018, 08:47:48 PM
What a shocking signing bartley is

Has he actually played a forward pass yet.
I'm pretty sure ever ball has gone back.
He needs to redeem himself and nod a corner in
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: smethwickw on September 14, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
Games are generally won and lost in central midfield. Ours is dreadful. Brunt and Livermore are playing at testimonial pace.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: sconesy on September 14, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
A very unprofessional first half. Bartley a liability and at times ‘cavalier’, Brunt’s long ball’s as woeful as Dawson’s short ball’s, and Livermore so one dimensional it’s utterly painful. Phillip’s attitude and work-rate has been first class, along with Barnes who gives his all. Townsend has also run the wing well. Come on you Baggies !!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:49:45 PM
Stupid stats...twice as much possession but they have had 3 shots on target to our 1.
Long balls for possession don't count.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 14, 2018, 08:51:41 PM
Dawson again showing that he can't find a player in an Albion shirt
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:52:46 PM
Dawson's passing out of defence is so poor!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:54:30 PM
Pulisball mark 2
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
Let's face it, some of them have been spending the last 3 years hoofing the thing.... they've forgotten how to pass it along the ground.

it's evidently taking them a long time to actually remember too...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 08:56:25 PM
Those long balls will cost us.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:56:38 PM
We can't even throw the ball from the back to one of our own!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 08:57:04 PM
Its the amount of space in midfield for Blues that’s worrying me
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 08:58:23 PM
This is awful, hopefully our superior quality of player tells in the end, but yet again it’s an away game where the management has had no clue as to how to set us up to be effective in the game.

Worrying really considering the gulf in quality between the two sides. Whoever sanctioned the signing of Bartley should be psychiatrically tested
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 08:59:04 PM
Dawson!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
Dawson playing like he don’t want to be there
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 08:59:28 PM
Stupid stats...twice as much possession but they have had 3 shots on target to our 1.
Long balls for possession don't count.

Here's another one, top 3 passes completed are our 3 CBs
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
That's better! that's what happens when you pass it along the floor boys! Barnes unlucky with the shot.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:00:28 PM
Townsend doesn't look up to much so far
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:00:32 PM
Take Brunt the "Slow" off.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 14, 2018, 09:01:14 PM
Darren moore talks about playing with plan B, C, D etc. But Plan B (long ball) isn’t working.

Teams are going to do this to us all season. We need more of plan B than long ball.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:01:39 PM
And we still look shaky every time the ball comes in the box
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2018, 09:03:10 PM
This is a million miles away from the Stoke performance
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
Poor ball from the back by Hegazi.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
The amount of space they have is unbelievable

The passes we are playing are sloppy
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 09:04:14 PM
How many times have we given the ball away under no pressure this game?

Possibly the most in any albion game I've watched
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
The amount of space they have is unbelievable

The passes we are playing are sloppy
we just don't have the quality at the back to play this way.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 09:05:08 PM
Shocking absolutely shocking
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
Have we got any "On the floor" players?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Lego on September 14, 2018, 09:06:05 PM
One of the worst displays of passing a ball I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:06:31 PM
was hopeing this half would be better from us but up to yet it ant happened :-[
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 14, 2018, 09:06:34 PM
Horrific performance
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:06:48 PM
Come on Big Dave don't bottle it - this ain't working.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: we8seals on September 14, 2018, 09:07:05 PM
Hope no one still believes this team will get us promoted- certainly not with this manager - and that’s regardless of the final score in this game
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 09:07:23 PM
I am witnessing quite possibly  our worst performance ever
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 14, 2018, 09:07:26 PM
How many more chances are we going to give them?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
Whatever the result of this game, we have had enough of these performances already this season for me to know we won't mount a serious push for promotion. That's simply not good enough.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
Hope no one still believes this team will get us promoted- certainly not with this manager - and that’s regardless of the final score in this game

This team should get promoted, with the current manager I can’t see it happening though. Clueless
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:09:00 PM
One of the worst displays of passing a ball I’ve ever seen.
where you the last 3 seasons?!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 09:09:17 PM
Lucky these are pooh. All 3 centre backs are awful.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:09:23 PM
come Darren show us some magic with a couple of inspired substitutions 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:09:33 PM
It's a good job Blues are rubbish or they'd be out of sight. Dreadful.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 09:09:38 PM
Absolutely pathetic livid
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:09:44 PM
This team should get promoted, with the current manager I can’t see it happening though. Clueless
Agree , it's not going to happen
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
Needs a change in midfield - Barry on for Brunt for me.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
We are desperate for changes in that midfield - come on Darren, read the game! Surely you can see this is not working?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 09:10:45 PM
A better team would be hammering us. Our passing is dire and when we have a one on one up front, we seem to keep ending up with the ball at the back within two passes. Absolutely clueless.

Blues should be 4.1 up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:10:55 PM
 We need Barry on to bolster the midfield
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 14, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
I haven't seen if anybody else has replied but wouldn't any manager pick a formation that suits the players he wants to play??

It's attacking - good.

I don't think it IS suiting the players, though.

Even if he thinks Bartley, Hegazi and Dawson are class, saying 3 at the back suits the players because they're 3 centre backs playing in central defense ignores the fact that 3 at the back demands completely different attributes to the ones they possess, especially as we're trying to play it out from the back. 

Likewise, Rodriguez and Gayle are strikers, but I don't think they make much sense as a partnership. 

EDIT:  best analogy I can think of is that 4-4-2 with Gerrard and Lampard in the middle didn't suit them, despite them both being central midfielders.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:11:23 PM
Needs a change in midfield - Barry on for Brunt for me.
Burke and Edwards on please
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: sconesy on September 14, 2018, 09:11:44 PM
The standard of our passing tonight is as poor as I can EVER remember and Albion side.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
Can't our management see this is not working?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:12:19 PM
not ONE midfielder is showing for or screaming for the ball f--k lads its made of leather not metal :'(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2018, 09:13:30 PM
Bartley and Brunt are woeful.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:13:38 PM
We are flipping awful tonight

Couldn’t trap a bag of cement or pass to our players
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 14, 2018, 09:14:56 PM
That was close Dawson, this is dogchod
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wba_1996 on September 14, 2018, 09:15:01 PM
This has been screaming out for a change since the 20th minute. Moore just does nothing every single game regardless of how we’re playing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 09:15:20 PM
I honestly didn’t think we could play worse than the Forest or Boro games, but we have somehow managed it.

I love Darren I truly do, but this is exactly what I thought was going to happen, it’s awful
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
All set up for us to nick this then
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:16:18 PM
remind me please which team is it that hasn't won in the league yet
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:17:22 PM
All set up for us to nick this then
If we do we will be just papering over the cracks
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:17:32 PM
All set up for us to nick this then


 ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
We need changes and NOW
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Foster#1 on September 14, 2018, 09:17:42 PM
People was loving it saying we will urine the league after the qpr, Norwich & stoke games.

Why does everyone expect us to win every game and play well?

4 points out of stoke at home and blues away is a good return.

L
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:17:52 PM
Has Big Dave gone home?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:18:11 PM
God Bartley has to be one of the worst defenders I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:18:41 PM
People was loving it saying we will urine the league after the qpr, Norwich & stoke games.

Why does everyone expect us to win every game and play well?

4 points out of stoke at home and blues away is a good return.

L

Who was saying that? Not anyone with any sense.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 14, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
Have our players got money on a Blues win? We're trying to implode QPR style....
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:19:26 PM
People was loving it saying we will urine the league after the qpr, Norwich & stoke games.

Why does everyone expect us to win every game and play well?

4 points out of stoke at home and blues away is a good return.

L
Well we havent got a point yet  and even if we get three this is awful
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 09:19:34 PM
This is painful and utterly embaressing
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
NO communication between the back 3 Dawson not training with the squad pre season is showing now
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:19:56 PM
Oh great, Robson Kanu, that'll scare 'em.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 09:20:12 PM
Desperate for a change in midfield....brings on HRK....  :-\
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 14, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
Coaches are clueless  :o substitute
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:21:05 PM
People was loving it saying we will urine the league after the qpr, Norwich & stoke games.

Why does everyone expect us to win every game and play well?

4 points out of stoke at home and blues away is a good return.

L

Likewise, people are coming out of the woodwork to have a go now we're having an off day.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:21:16 PM
how bad are we :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 14, 2018, 09:22:12 PM
Bartley is dire. Complete waste of money.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:22:21 PM
What the hell is wrong with us!!!!

This is worse than anything I’ve ever seen us play
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 14, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
The whole team set up isn't working or making sense overrun in midfield yet again, 3 man defense constantly left exposed, no spark going forward...brings on HRK.

Barry on for Brunt I like though. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2018, 09:22:55 PM
Terrible defence. Bartley shouldn't be anywhere near our team. Rather give Tosh a run of games.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
At last - that would have been my change 20 minutes ago!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Barry winner incoming
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:24:35 PM
Barry winner incoming
Barry Manilow coming on would be an improvement on Brunt!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 14, 2018, 09:24:58 PM
They just have to put pressure on our back 3 and that creates them half chances.
Anybody could have been hooked they have all been bad saved by the fact Birmingham are truly woeful.

All we have done is change personnel not convinced it's going to yield much. System ain't really working tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 14, 2018, 09:25:04 PM
At last - that would have been my change 20 minutes ago!

80 minutes ago perhaps
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on September 14, 2018, 09:25:22 PM
Never thought i'd be happy to see Barry coming on after what happened last season, but our midfield has been woeful and he can hopefully put his foot on the bloody ball
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
HOW DID THAT NOT GO IN?!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:29:33 PM
How have we not scored there
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 09:30:28 PM
4 golden chances in 5 seconds, and to miss them all is shocking. We're going nowhere this season.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
We keep hitting it high...God doesn't play for us...Keep it DOWN !!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 14, 2018, 09:33:04 PM
They just have to put pressure on our back 3 and that creates them half chances.
Anybody could have been hooked they have all been bad saved by the fact Birmingham are truly woeful.

All we have done is change personnel not convinced it's going to yield much. System ain't really working tonight.
I think the only chance it'll work with any consistency is at home, if we play a proper midfield 2 and just go out to kill teams.  It's all well and good shoehorning in all those dynamic attacking players, but with Livermore and Brunt in the middle and that back 3 we just won't have enough possession to utilise them.

And besides, less is more sometimes - I honestly think going back to a back 4 and having Gayle up top on his own we'd have more possession, make more chances and score more goals.  Surely tonight will be the end of the back 3 experiment?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
Johnstone likes his line don’t he
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 14, 2018, 09:33:58 PM
The lack of subs is concerning, worried that this is saying the management team is happy with how the game has been going
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:34:34 PM
I tell you what I’d fine Dawson for just standing there with the ball

No urgency at all
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2018, 09:35:37 PM
This formation needed to be changed tonight. Not straight swaps. Mark down for management
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kirk on September 14, 2018, 09:36:41 PM
It’s going to be a bit difficult playing 4 at the back, we have no right back. And ch we only have Dawson and hegazi .... Bartley would be no where near.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
In next weeks training they shouldn't see a ball for 2 days on the 3rd they may hold on to it or pass it a lot better
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2018, 09:37:46 PM
It’s going to be a bit difficult playing 4 at the back, we have no right back. And ch we only have Dawson and hegazi .... Bartley would be no where near.


Thats on the scouts and big Dave for me for not going out and getting what was needed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:38:24 PM
Awful - that is all
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:38:57 PM
Disgraceful performance.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:39:01 PM
Poor Poor Poor - we got away with that. Very poor tactical management. Big Dave has to learn quickly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:39:17 PM
Utterly awful performance

Embarrassing to watch it was like non of them had played together before
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:39:25 PM
Rubbish from us. No direction and NO plan
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggies_24 on September 14, 2018, 09:39:26 PM
Not good enough that performance, Brunt needs dropping we looked so much better with him not in there the last 10. Better sides would have put us away tonight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2018, 09:39:43 PM
Awful, shoutouts to Brunt and Bartley for being especially poor.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 14, 2018, 09:39:48 PM
One if the worst games I’ve seen in a long long time. Blues scored and should have scored 3/4 which says it all really as they are shocking.

We won’t go up playing this way. As much as I love Big Dave I really think he’s trying to make us play a style we really aren’t capable of.

Bartley needs to be replaced by Tosin, he’s gash. Brunt hasn’t got the legs  to play CM but who have we got to replace him?!

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
Terrible, should've been a comfortable win and we were lucky to draw in the end
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:40:03 PM
Barnes & phillips are the only two to come out of this game with any credit to their names
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:40:12 PM

Thats on the scouts and big Dave for me for not going out and getting what was needed.
the team don't want to play 4 at the back, Graeme Jones has advocated 5 man defences his entire career!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 14, 2018, 09:40:25 PM
Sky Sports just described it as a second city derby...they ain't got a clue.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SC_Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Not bad. We looked timid at times but also tempting at times. I liked the spells of buccaneering from the flanks. Too bad we couldn't gather the 3 points we deserved.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:40:48 PM
Very lucky to a point. We were attrocious. DM need to look at himself and do do something positive.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
It's admirable trying to play out from the back but we've not got the personnel for it. Rodriguez joins a long list of Albion strikers utterly dreadful in a two (Long, Rosenberg, Berahino etc.) and offers nothing. Livermore reverted to type and the young left back isn't good enough.


Take a point away from home but puts pressure on Tuesday now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Pelada on September 14, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Can someone explain to me how Chris Brunt is still at this football club.

He’s both slow and unfit these days and is stealing a living. To captain the side is an awful call from management.

Just another atrocious Friday night performance. No one in the middle of the park to help us in possession and yet more disarray at the back.

It’s time to begin to look to the youth now to carry us forward.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
One if the worst games I’ve seen in a long long time. Blues scored and should have scored 3/4 which says it all really as they are shocking.

We won’t go up playing this way. As much as I love Big Dave I really think he’s trying to make us play a style we really aren’t capable of.

Bartley needs to be replaced by Tosin, he’s gash. Brunt hasn’t got the legs  to play CM but who have we got to replace him?!
Field.

He won't play though because Moore is too scared to drop the senior professionals. They play regardless.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Pie on September 14, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
Got such a headache from watching that, one of the most frustrating performances ever.

That back 3 has nowhere near enough quality on the ball to play out.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 14, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
Can someone explain to me how Chris Brunt is still at this football club.

He’s both slow and unfit these days and is stealing a living. To captain the side is an awful call from management.

Just another atrocious Friday night performance. No one in the middle of the park to help us in possession and yet more disarray at the back.

It’s time to begin to look to the youth now to carry us forward.
He is not going to do it mate, he is not brave enough. He is hoping the old guard will keep him in a job, and they will not
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: barnestormer on September 14, 2018, 09:44:20 PM
Waiting in anticipation for BDs post match interview, surely hw won't say we were the dominant force?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2018, 09:44:25 PM
Thin ice , absoulutly shocking . Worse than Pulis football that . Angry
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
Dm Believes in God, but God doesn't play for us.
DM has to order his players to keep the ball on the floor and not to hoof it upwards to heaven.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: we8seals on September 14, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
Likewise, people are coming out of the woodwork to have a go now we're having an off day.
Not just one mate! Delusional if you think we are going to finish top
Six. We could not keep a clean sheet against a team of ten year olds
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 14, 2018, 09:45:25 PM
Moore needs to buck up his idea's with team selection and substitions. Where is the free flowing attacking football Jones promised, awful tonight and we should have been well beaten.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:45:40 PM
Not bad. We looked timid at times but also tempting at times. I liked the spells of buccaneering from the flanks. Too bad we couldn't gather the 3 points we deserved.
We deserved?????
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Blowee on September 14, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
Hate to say it but Big Dave needs to grow a pair and shake up this team. Midfield desperately needs a change.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
Waiting in anticipation for BDs post match interview, surely hw won't say we were the dominant force?
He will. Clueless.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggies on September 14, 2018, 09:46:26 PM
Rubbish. Suffocated by Monk's defensive tactics. Our defenders can't pass (if we wanted to play football like we try, we should have bought continental defenders, not Bartley). Biggest issue is our lack of a deep lying playmaker or ball player. Neither Livermore or Brunt gives us that. Barnes plugs the gap in attacking mid but he can't do it in his own.

Can't win a ball in the air, so many times we are like statues in our box. Dawson couldn't pass and couldn't head the ball either. I thought he would play for a move to a top side. Instead it looked like an audition for a return to Rochdale.

Our struggles in defence, paired with our inability to win points away from home suggests a season chasing a play off place rather than automatic promotion.

The director of football will need to be a transfer specialist as Moore's attempts have left us short.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on September 14, 2018, 09:46:31 PM
Horrible display in 2nd half, apart from last 10 mins.
So many misplaced pass from the back 3 and the midfield.
Barry should start next game instead of Brunt. Field would be my choice but it won't happen obliviously, so Barry would be our only choice.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Andio on September 14, 2018, 09:46:35 PM

DM has to order his players to keep the ball on the floor and not to hoof it upwards to heaven.

Everytime we tried that tonight it went to a Blue shirt though.

I didn't see many long balls.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Pelada on September 14, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
He is not going to do it mate, he is not brave enough. He is hoping the old guard will keep him in a job, and they will not

Agreed mate, a massive shame.

It will be BDs fall I’m afraid if he doesn’t make the change.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SC_Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:46:49 PM
We deserved?????

Did Birmingham perform any better?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: smethwickw on September 14, 2018, 09:48:12 PM
Field.

He won't play though because Moore is too scared to drop the senior professionals. They play regardless.

It doesn't surprise me one bit. The senior pros helped get him the job knowing they'd be picked each week. We needed a fresh approach from outside. A very poor appointment.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
absolute rubbish performance bar Phillips that includes the management. passing was as bad as anything under Pulis, we've got no midfield so we end up with Hegazi and Dawson trying to pick passes that was embarrassing. shocked how pathetic we were.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 14, 2018, 09:48:36 PM
Got away with that. That back 3 are so poor on the ball, just really simple passes they're messing up.  You could kind of be ok with it if they looked solid in defence but it's hide behind your fingers time when there's a ball in with any a hint of quality about it.

Words can't describe how poor the defensive passing is.  Special me tion to Dawson who played like he's trying to get the sack.

So, so, poor.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
Still think DM is slow in making changes during the game (like switching formation) & in making substitutions needs to be more proactive.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:49:07 PM
Did Birmingham perform any better?

I thought so yes

Blues were the better team and should have had 3 or 4
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:49:22 PM
Everytime we tried that tonight it went to a Blue shirt though.

I didn't see many long balls.
How come the only time we did anything on the floor, we scored? ala Phillips.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mr multivac on September 14, 2018, 09:49:53 PM
2nd to every ball but that’s because every pass we made
went  closer to their players than ours

Rodriguez and Dawson didn’t exactly sell themselves
to any prospective buyers
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2018, 09:50:09 PM
Felt for a while the system thats fluent at home so far doesn't work away from home , too top heavy for me.
Jrod really poor , Brunt poor , Dawson below par , Hegazi and Bartley like a circus act .
Phillips and Barnes in credit , Townsend improved as game went on.
Poor , take the point. Away needs work
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:50:27 PM
No clean sheet, even against a "p" poor bottom side.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mister AT on September 14, 2018, 09:50:45 PM
Awful.

I lost count the amount of times Hegazi and Dawson passed the ball to blues.

For me Phillips is the only one to come out of that game with a good performance.

Barry looked better in the middle aswell.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mikkyk on September 14, 2018, 09:51:01 PM
How come the only time we did anything on the floor, we scored? ala Phillips.

Don't agree with that, we tried a little on the floor and struggle to get it to the midfield.

Bartley, Dawson, Hegazi, Brunt and Livermore ALL gave so many passes away along the floor
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 09:51:20 PM
Johnson 7/10: could have done more for the goal, great pen save
Townsend 5/10: worked hard, tried to get forward, switched off for goal
Bartley 3/10: liability, stupid handball for penalty
Hegazi 3/10: donkey, loved to keep the ball to himself at the back
Dawson 3/10: very average defending and shocking passing
Brunt 4/10: team notably improved once he was subbed
Livermore 3/10: was he on the pitch?
Barnes 5/10: almost scored, hardly got the ball as Hegazi’s was busy keeping it
Phillips 7/10: best work rate and standard
Gayle 6/10: not his sharpest, no ball as defence was busy passing it between them
J-Rod 2/10: awful, waste of space

Darren Moore 2/10: still clueless, subs better but too late coming
Barry 6/10: an actual central midfield for 10 minutes
Kanu 4/10: usual scratchy performance
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:52:00 PM
There just seemed no one able to get there foot on the ball in midfield

If anything this summer we needed a CM a proper one and we didn’t get one
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Moore happy with a point. Full of praise for Birmingham and aware of how poor we were on the ball. Spot on interview for me.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:54:13 PM
Don't agree with that, we tried a little on the floor and struggle to get it to the midfield.

Bartley, Dawson, Hegazi, Brunt and Livermore ALL gave so many passes away along the floor

Absolutely spot on fella

Those 5 are the ones that really caused the problems and gave Blues the ability to push on us
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:54:38 PM
Did Birmingham perform any better?
100% executed their plan and should of won 2 or 3, they were far better. Or am I in cukoo land?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 09:55:42 PM
Moore happy with a point. Full of praise for Birmingham and aware of how poor we were on the ball. Spot on interview for me.

Agreed with everything he said aswell

I felt he wasn’t that happy with our performance but happy with the point
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SC_Baggie on September 14, 2018, 09:56:07 PM
100% executed their plan and should of won 2 or 3, they were far better. Or am I in cukoo land?

and they fact that you think they dominated but didnt get 3 points means they should be happy? We deserved the points since they didn't take advantage.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 14, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
Droitwich, you're wrong. Watch the entire game back. Most of our problems stemmed from us trying to keep it on the ground and either just hitting it directly to a Birmingham player like a poor Sunday league team, or playing it into feet over too long a distance which gave Brum players chance to nip in to the tackle.

Their pen came from the defence giving the ball away 3 times in quick succession by trying to play out.

At one point Dawson lost the ball by playing it along the ground directly to a Brum player with not an Albion player within 12 yards.  He won it back with a bit of fortune as he slid in from the wrong side and the Brum player got it stuck under his own feet.  He then brought the ball out, under no pressure, and instead of passing it to his left about 12 yards tried to miss that Albion player out but gave Barnes a hospital ball instead resulting in a yellow card.

That was just one example. We did that all night.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on September 14, 2018, 09:57:28 PM
Utter garbage the keeper Townsend Dawson and Brunt awful ashamed of what I have just watched
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
Don't agree with that, we tried a little on the floor and struggle to get it to the midfield.

Bartley, Dawson, Hegazi, Brunt and Livermore ALL gave so many passes away along the floor

We had 58% possession and most of that was the defenders cluelessly passing it sideways on the floor between themselves. We hardly went long all night. Problem was we weren’t passing the ball at all through the midfield. Just passing it between the three centre backs until they gave it away. Ponderous on the ball at the back and Livermore / Brunt not collecting and moving the ball through to the front players. Second half it got worse, tons of 10-15 yard passes straight to the opposition, constantly giving the ball away in our own half.

Last 10 minutes we actually played it in their half and looked decent. No coincidence j-rod and Brunt been subbed, both rubbish.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Andio on September 14, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
How come the only time we did anything on the floor, we scored? ala Phillips.

Don't get me wrong I certainly don't want to see a long ball game, I am merely saying that we couldn't pass to save our lives tonight.

Like I said I didn't see many long balls at all, and this caused a lot of problems for us. You have to play the percentages at times.

We are going to get punished trying to play from the back against much better teams.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on September 14, 2018, 09:59:28 PM
I think some fans are starting to change their opinion about Darren Moore. I'm one of them. I love the man, but his decision making is not good and he doesn't have the bottle to be a first team coach.

Brunt needs to be dropped. Bartley and Hegazi should be replaced with immediate effect but not sure who by, we're dredful at the back.

On the flipside, it's ok fans saying other fans are coming out of the woodwork to complain and that we shouldn't have hopes of winning the league, but we are one of the favourites to go back up. We are one of the biggest teams in this league so drawing against a poor Birmingham team isn't good enough.

Tactically and physically we are not up to it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
Droitwich, you're wrong. Watch the entire game back. Most of our problems stemmed from us trying to keep it on the ground and either just hitting it directly to a Birmingham player like a poor Sunday league team, or playing it into feet over too long a distance which gave Brum players chance to nip in to the tackle.

Their pen came from the defence giving the ball away 3 times in quick succession by trying to play out.

At one point Dawson lost the ball by playing it along the ground directly to a Brum player with not an Albion player within 12 yards.  He won it back with a bit of fortune as he slid in from the wrong side and the Brum player got it stuck under his own feet.  He then brought the ball out, under no pressure, and instead of passing it to his left about 12 yards tried to miss that Albion player out but gave Barnes a hospital ball instead resulting in a yellow card.

That was just one example. We did that all night.

Spot on. Amazing we played like that first half and management couldn’t get the message across at half time, second half was even worse until the subs.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 14, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Absolutely spot on fella

Those 5 are the ones that really caused the problems and gave Blues the ability to push on us

It was the manner in how we gave it away too. We were playing passes that were so poor I'd expect school kids to do better. We have away a lot where the pass ended up as a 50-50 ball into someone.  The worst was hitting it directly to Birmingham players who didn't have an Albion player on their radar.  How bad must the pass be???
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:01:16 PM
and they fact that you think they dominated but didnt get 3 points means they should be happy? We deserved the points since they didn't take advantage.
I dont know if your winding me up but blues were better than us on the night, if I was a blues fan I would be very dissapointed not to get 3 points, as for our performance reminded me of a bunch of players thrown together for the first time, the only positive for us tonight is we didnt lose
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
Agreed with everything he said aswell

I felt he wasn’t that happy with our performance but happy with the point
yet he will pick the same starting 11 next match. good management change things when it's not working, then again he could change 8 of those players tonight we was so poor. how bad Dawson was tonight he should be benched but who replaces him in this system.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
I dont know if your winding me up but blues were better than us on the night, if I was a blues fan I would be very dissapointed not to get 3 points, as for our performance reminded me of a bunch of players thrown together for the first time, the only positive for us tonight is we didnt lose

They definitely missed a lot of great chances and we’re more organised but they were still a rubbish team that we should be beating. Looked washed up when we finally had a go at them late on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:03:18 PM
Perhaps, now is the time to change manager. he did well at the end of last season, but has been found wanting this season
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:04:51 PM
They definitely missed a lot of great chances and we’re more organised but they were still a rubbish team that we should be beating. Looked washed up when we finally had a go at them late on.
Far too little to late mate. In my opinion theres no sugar coating that performance I just witnessed
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 10:06:16 PM
Far too little to late mate. In my opinion theres no sugar coating that performance I just witnessed

 I agree with you, we were rubbish. See my player ratings.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Foster#1 on September 14, 2018, 10:07:45 PM
Perhaps, now is the time to change manager. he did well at the end of last season, but has been found wanting this season

Change the manager 7 games in...unreal. Our fan base are now on par with villa/wolves. We can never call them fickle or laugh at them ever again.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 14, 2018, 10:09:03 PM
Change the manager 7 games in...unreal. Our fan base are now on par with villa/wolves. We can never call them fickle or laugh at them ever again.

To be fair he’s the only one I’ve seen who has said something like that which I think like you is stupid. Doesn’t make it reflective of the entire fan base.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 10:09:59 PM
Change the manager 7 games in...unreal. Our fan base are now on par with villa/wolves. We can never call them fickle or laugh at them ever again.

Agree with that

People calling for a change already are ridiculous
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on September 14, 2018, 10:10:31 PM
Impressed with Jota  and Colin the RB for them tonight
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
I agree with you, we were rubbish. See my player ratings.
Looking forward to midweek already the joys ayyy COYB,!!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: telford baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:13:56 PM
Not bad. We looked timid at times but also tempting at times. I liked the spells of buccaneering from the flanks. Too bad we couldn't gather the 3 points we deserved.
haha you are having a laugh
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 14, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
Very lucky point a decent side would have knocked 3 or 4 past us tonight. Birmingham created next to nothing just soft defending and sloppy passing from the back gifted them chances.

This system doesn't work away- Rodriquez was annoymous today HRK did far better when he came on but he weren't great. Barry offered more than brunt. Brunt was poor but it's not his position why he keeps he getting picked there I don't know and Christ Livermore I didn't know he was on the pitch until I checked our starting line up on Twitter midway through first half.

Big Dave if he wants to persist with this system needs to change cm we all know that maybe he will switch Barry for brunt. Whamore worryingly is Moore is unable to change it up mid gsme- we never debited from plan we just switched personnel. I would have got Burke on and tried to add more width.

Our bench looked devoid of quality tonight. Scraped a point away (from a side who for my money will go down this year) need to win midweek simple. Just stay in touch until Jan and hopefully finish sorting squad instead and outs.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 14, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
That's 3 away games Forest, Boro and tonight where we've had nothing at all in the middle areas of the pitch. Glad to hear DM sounding disappointed with the performance after the game. We need to change it sooner if we have so little control in the middle. Should have been J-Rod off, Barry on 10 mins into the 2nd half with Barnes then floating around left side of Gayle.

We also seem to have a mentality of being content to stay in the game away from home and step it up in the last 10 minutes.....maybe better to get some momentum going earlier in the game ?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:27:48 PM
We are like a doughnut - some nice sugary stuff around the edges but absolutely nothing of any substance in the middle.

Persisting with Brunt and Livermore is CM lunacy - it has not worked all season. And management's complete inability (or unwillingness) to make changes mid-way through a game is shocking. If the system isn't working all Darren Moore does is change the personnel - JRod was poor, but replacing him with HRK was never going to make up for the fact that we lost every meaningful battle in the middle of the park.

Our squad is a class above Blooze's - so kudos to Monk for having a gameplan that negated it. Such a shame that we don't have a tactician who can exploit the gulf in talent between us and other teams. Love Darren Moore the player. Love Darren Moore the man. Unfortunately not loving Darren Moore the manager
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: barnestormer on September 14, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
Love Darren Moore the player. Love Darren Moore the man. Unfortunately not loving Darren Moore the manager
[/quote]
Couldn't have put it any better
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: smosher34 on September 14, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
How we have not lost that game 5.1 is beyond me. Awful shocking performance.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: skyclad99 on September 14, 2018, 11:07:00 PM
Perhaps, now is the time to change manager. he did well at the end of last season, but has been found wanting this season

Got to love these comedy comments.....
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2018, 11:20:11 PM
I felt sorry for Rodriguez. He didn't have a sniff or get any supply given to him. Only when Brunt went deeper and Blues dropped off a bit in the 2nd half did he start to get involved a bit more, then he was subbed off.

There's not much you can do as a striker if there's zero service for 60 mins of the game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 14, 2018, 11:23:03 PM
Dm Believes in God, but God doesn't play for us.
DM has to order his players to keep the ball on the floor and not to hoof it upwards to heaven.
What a weird post
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2018, 11:25:28 PM
I felt sorry for Rodriguez. He didn't have a sniff or get any supply given to him. Only when Brunt went deeper and Blues dropped off a bit in the 2nd half did he start to get involved a bit more, then he was subbed off.

There's not much you can do as a striker if there's zero service for 60 mins of the game.


Aside from taking penalties this guy offers nothing as a 2nd striker. Either play him up front or play a midfielder.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 14, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
Just as annoyed as the rest, but it is still early days. I wouldn't say our season has been a disaster yet by any means but our away gameplan needs to seriously change if we are going to be at the right end of the table. I was sure at one stage the game was going to go the way of Boro away with a late defeat but at least we didn't lose. Still, horrible to watch with so many errors, although there were a few glimpses of quality with some great flick ons towards the end of the match. Lets see where we are at by the end of the month. By the end of the weekend should be no lower than eighth really which keeps us in and amongst it. Just really have to hope a gap doesn't open up with the top teams, we could be feasibly 5 or 6 short of the top 2 by the end of this round of games which we need to keep in touch with. Our next two games at home, we have to be winning both in my opinion.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on September 14, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Dear oh dear what a moaning bunch of fans we have. It wasn’t great that’s for sure but we didn’t lose and any away point is useful in my opinion.
What I must say though is that the insistence of playing the ball out from the back just does not suit this group of defenders.
On to the next game!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on September 14, 2018, 11:36:41 PM
Johnson 7/10: could have done more for the goal, great pen save
Townsend 5/10: worked hard, tried to get forward, switched off for goal
Bartley 3/10: liability, stupid handball for penalty
Hegazi 3/10: donkey, loved to keep the ball to himself at the back
Dawson 3/10: very average defending and shocking passing
Brunt 4/10: team notably improved once he was subbed
Livermore 3/10: was he on the pitch?
Barnes 5/10: almost scored, hardly got the ball as Hegazi’s was busy keeping it
Phillips 7/10: best work rate and standard
Gayle 6/10: not his sharpest, no ball as defence was busy passing it between them
J-Rod 2/10: awful, waste of space

Darren Moore 2/10: still clueless, subs better but too late coming
Barry 6/10: an actual central midfield for 10 minutes
Kanu 4/10: usual scratchy performance
what a load of garbage Bartley was the best of an awful defence the keeper saved an easy penalty otherwise awful Townsend awful they murdered us down his flank how did you give Gayle more than Rodriguez? Both bad tonight but that's down to our awful midfield that give them no outlet! And Barnes was better than a five as Well.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2018, 11:42:07 PM
Dear oh dear what a moaning bunch of fans we have. It wasn’t great that’s for sure but we didn’t lose and any away point is useful in my opinion.
What I must say though is that the insistence of playing the ball out from the back just does not suit this group of defenders.
On to the next game!
I think fans are allowed to moan when we sit near mid-table after 7 games, yet possess one of the best teams in the league and struggle at Birmingham City; a team who may well get relegated this season.
The same way if we're near the top after 7 games and won tonight our fans would have the right to be more positive.

I have a nasty feeling that under Moore we are sleepwalking to mid-table obscurity; which as I say is not great considering the squad at our disposal.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2018, 11:55:30 PM
Absolutely awful, we should have been out of it by half time. If Blues had strikers that could finish we would have been.

What have we been doing in training for the past two weeks ? Only Hegazi has been on international duty. Our passing is awful with Dawson and Brunt the two most guilty. Heard someone say after the game that the pass completion for Dawson tonight was 6%, not sure how true that is but wouldn't surprise me at all.

Penalty was soft and the save was decent although at a good height for Johnstone, if that had gone in I felt it would have been game over.

We might have only lost 2 but we have not been anything special with the exception of the QPR second half and parts of the Stoke game. Lots of work to do and Darren Moore has lots to learn and quickly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: royhan on September 14, 2018, 11:59:06 PM
I’d love to see the stats on how many of our passes went astray. We are failing on the basics. We are looking a second rate Championship team.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 12:00:04 AM
It's important to have some rest in a busy championship season when the international break comes along but looked like we had too much. Have we lost a fitness edge in the last 2 weeks ?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 15, 2018, 12:15:47 AM
Moore happy with a point. Full of praise for Birmingham and aware of how poor we were on the ball. Spot on interview for me.

...great, but that was exactly the same performance as the Forest and Boro games and he has still not changed a thing. I am not interested in someone able to identify that we were rubbish, 100 people on this board could have told him that, I want someone who can rectify it and he is not doing that
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: AlbionBest on September 15, 2018, 12:22:50 AM
...great, but that was exactly the same performance as the Forest and Boro games and he has still not changed a thing. I am not interested in someone able to identify that we were rubbish, 100 people on this board could have told him that, I want someone who can rectify it and he is not doing that

Totally right.

So far the away games have been shocking despite us getting out of jail on occasions.

He needs to show he can change and improve things and quickly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 15, 2018, 12:23:53 AM
A totally frustrating night to be honest, looking forward to see the Albion in full flight against a poor blue's side. With Darren persisting with Brunt and livermore in the middle after a somewhat better display against Stoke I gave him the benefit of the doubt but with the game underway both reverted to form. Keeper kept us in the game with vital penalty save because at 2-0 there was no way back into match but he still gives me the jitters. Back three were a disaster waiting to happen and to be honest that has to be the poorest game I've ever seen Dawson play as for Bartley what an inept defender he is constantly fouling his opponent. Hegazi keeps reminding me that we only paid £1.5 million for him. Townsend on his debut came into the game as it went on but should have done better on their goal. Philips was head and shoulders above any of our players and his hard work paid of with goal. Brunt did absolutely nothing in game except give ball away for goal and for penalty,Livermore wasn't much better. Felt sorry for the three up top because if you get no service what can you do. First substitution was typical from Moore with HRK having little impact and one chance he had was his usual urine poor effort. Barry nearly changed the result with sublime pass which culminated in Barnes hitting cross bar should start a head of Brunt next game. Coach should have changed it up at half time but bottled it and was very lucky to come away with point.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wbako on September 15, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
Just trundled in...Going to bed. That performance doesn't deserve a write-up. Just feckin pooh.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 15, 2018, 02:56:59 AM
Anyone care to explain why we were so obsessed with passing the ball sideways between our centre backs deep in our own half? Last time I checked no successful team had ever bothered to do that. Clueless tactically and embarrassing professionaly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: colinmax on September 15, 2018, 03:24:52 AM
Evert time we attacked we looked likely to score but the defence was shambolic.
Was Dawson trying to get in the Guinness Book of Records for the most misplaced passes in a match?
Livermore was his usual anonymous self and Brunt offered nothing positive.
We have 11 points and have dropped 10.The situation would be even worse if opposing teams had not missed 3 penalties.
One positive was that DM subbed the captain as this is not an easy decision to make.He must now take Brunt out of the team and start blooding some of our young players.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 15, 2018, 07:16:10 AM
I think we need to acknowledge just how much the bluenoses contributed to our general all round awfulness
They had a plan to swamp our pedestrian midfield giving the back three no out-ball and when we tried to play it through the bluenoses were, generally speaking, fleeter of foot and faster of thought and my view is what many here are calling misplaced passes were infact some pretty damned good interceptions. Some many of them were very, very quick off the mark and across the ground to beat us to the ball
I'm not excusing our display just pointing out that the opposition contributed considerably to the garbage we were and our ongoing inability to change things in real time   
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on September 15, 2018, 07:29:08 AM
First time last night I really questioned Moore and his tactics , that left back was being torn a new one by Phillips . I can't believe Moore didnt change the system or make a sub and push Phillps up .
You can predict the subs each game too , still it is a new way of playing and its only early September . Easy to forget he's still raw as a manager .
Few big calls he has to make now regarding dropping a few
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2018, 08:02:55 AM
Absolutely awful, we should have been out of it by half time. If Blues had strikers that could finish we would have been.

What have we been doing in training for the past two weeks ? Only Hegazi has been on international duty. Our passing is awful with Dawson and Brunt the two most guilty. Heard someone say after the game that the pass completion for Dawson tonight was 6%, not sure how true that is but wouldn't surprise me at all.

Penalty was soft and the save was decent although at a good height for Johnstone, if that had gone in I felt it would have been game over.

We might have only lost 2 but we have not been anything special with the exception of the QPR second half and parts of the Stoke game. Lots of work to do and Darren Moore has lots to learn and quickly.
Beating Norwich in a basketball game and then having QPR take the day off papered over the cracks.  Beating Stoke then allowed Moore to justify sticking with his favoured XI. The rush of games now will force him into changes.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: maccbaggie on September 15, 2018, 08:36:04 AM
Will Moore have the strength to drop senior professionals Brunt and Livermore in favour of the likes of Sam Field and Rakeem Harper after losing the midfield battles vs Forest, Boro and Birmingham?

Spoiler alert: No.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 15, 2018, 08:50:52 AM
Come on Big Dave , you are getting away with this at the moment , you have got to start putting in players that can take the club forward, central midfield again awful , pedestrian could not string a pass together all night, the midfield and defence managed to make Gayle and J Rod look like novice strikers , no service whatsoever, and how many times we gave the ball away from what should have been simple 10 yard passes I lost count after the first 20 minutes.C B has done his bit for the club , but it is time to move on, the full back Townsend not yet good enough , as for CD and AH they have suddenly gone from good competant premiership professionals to Championship also rans overnight, they were the biggest culprits in giving the ball awayit seems to me they are struggling with the system
In Gayle and Rodrigues we have 2 strikers that will score goals given the service , in Barnes and Phillips we have players who can back that up, but unless we get the middle of the park and wing backs sorted we will  end up being another" could have been a contender side", still early days but now is the time to sort it, there does not appear to be a stand out side in the division at the moment, so everything is possible
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2018, 08:56:46 AM
I think we need to acknowledge just how much the bluenoses contributed to our general all round awfulness
They had a plan to swamp our pedestrian midfield giving the back three no out-ball and when we tried to play it through the bluenoses were, generally speaking, fleeter of foot and faster of thought and my view is what many here are calling misplaced passes were infact some pretty damned good interceptions. Some many of them were very, very quick off the mark and across the ground to beat us to the ball
I'm not excusing our display just pointing out that the opposition contributed considerably to the garbage we were and our ongoing inability to change things in real time

Have to agree Frank, we did look pretty lethargic, compared to Birmingham.

Our passes started off, well intentioned, but we couldn't get the weight of the pass right. In the end though they were downright sloppy.

As I understand it, the reason for passing the ball across the back is to move the oppostion players around, giving an opportunity for a telling pass. As others have  said, some of the bad passes from the back were caused by Brunt & Livermore, not being mobile enough to receive them.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Blowee on September 15, 2018, 09:02:58 AM
Most of the issues for me last night revolve around Dawson, Hegazi and Bartley's inability to play the ball out from the back and a lack of any creativity in midfield with the exception of Barnes and Phillips. Birmingham scared the likes of Dawson as his game is based on defending on clearing the box and long balls to a Robson type striker. Our defence and midfield were closed down by a very energetic Blues side. We didn't have the quality, composure or legs to deal with them.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 15, 2018, 09:05:10 AM
A totally frustrating night to be honest, looking forward to see the Albion in full flight against a poor blue's side. With Darren persisting with Brunt and livermore in the middle after a somewhat better display against Stoke I gave him the benefit of the doubt but with the game underway both reverted to form. Keeper kept us in the game with vital penalty save because at 2-0 there was no way back into match but he still gives me the jitters. Back three were a disaster waiting to happen and to be honest that has to be the poorest game I've ever seen Dawson play as for Bartley what an inept defender he is constantly fouling his opponent. Hegazi keeps reminding me that we only paid £1.5 million for him. Townsend on his debut came into the game as it went on but should have done better on their goal. Philips was head and shoulders above any of our players and his hard work paid of with goal. Brunt did absolutely nothing in game except give ball away for goal and for penalty,Livermore wasn't much better. Felt sorry for the three up top because if you get no service what can you do. First substitution was typical from Moore with HRK having little impact and one chance he had was his usual urine poor effort. Barry nearly changed the result with sublime pass which culminated in Barnes hitting cross bar should start a head of Brunt next game. Coach should have changed it up at half time but bottled it and was very lucky to come away with point.

Not Townsend's debut,he played 2nd half against Norwich and both league cup games.

I tend to agree with most of the rest of your post though.

I think Johnstone is looking better each game.

Back 3 and Cm's were poor last night, the passing was atrocious. Hopefully the substitution of Brunt means that although he is captain he will be dropped. Barry seemed to be able to play the balls Brunt couldn't and did more more in his 10 minutes than Brunt did in 80.
We need some energy in the centre I'd rather see Field and Barry start against Bristol City.

Rodriguez and Gayle were starved of supply pretty much all game and thus struggled to make any impact.

Gibbs or Burke should have come on for Townsend for the last 10 minutes too.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 15, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
In possession I found Hegazi to be absolutely infuriating. Quick pass out wide or to to a midfielder? No thanks, I think I'll take 3/4 touches, do a couple of pointless turns under no pressure and then slowly pass it either Dawson or Bartley who then being pressed passed it back to him. Then the whole process repeated itself. Hegazi had 49 touches in the first half alone and J-Rod had 9! That happened over and over again. Second half the three at the back then started passing it straight to the Blues midfield. 

We literally spent about an hour of that match passing it between our defenders at walking pace with the rest of the team standing in front of them and watching. Giving Blues all the time in the World to get behind the ball and set-up their shape. On the very few rare occasions we actually made a successful forward pass we then turned back and went all the way back to the defenders in two or three passes. It was unbelievable and rubbish. How could Darren Moore not lay into them at half time and tell them to stop playing in their own third at the back so much?

Tactically you play it forward into midfield into feet or if they are being pressed you play it in-behind into the space to spin the Birmingham back line. Not rocket science.

Then post a couple subs it got to the 80 minute and we finally tried to win the game only to run out of time. Had we started that 30 minutes earlier we could have run away comfortable winners against a very average team.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 09:59:24 AM
Barnes was pretty heavily marked last night and there's a likelihood that teams will see him as the man that makes us tick. We should have used Phillips more often than we did last night as he was causing problems every time he got on the ball. There was one glaring moment in the 1st half with Dawson in possession and seemed to see Phillips in space but ignored him and kept looking for a non existent pass through the middle of the pitch. Playing the ball early to people in space should be a no brainer.

If one threat is being closely marked it usually leaves some space for others to operate in.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: NJS on September 15, 2018, 10:01:47 AM
I felt sorry for Rodriguez. He didn't have a sniff or get any supply given to him. Only when Brunt went deeper and Blues dropped off a bit in the 2nd half did he start to get involved a bit more, then he was subbed off.

There's not much you can do as a striker if there's zero service for 60 mins of the game.

I agree, no point in having a go at the front men.  Playing it out from the back means the ball has to go through decent, energetic midfielders.  Brunt was far to high to collect the ball which meant the backs were trying to thread passes through B'ham's two lines of four - a feat for which they are signally incapable.
Long balls over the top only useful if there's a tall / large target man or space is left on the wings like we left last night.
As I've said before, a good manager drops players when they're not playing well even if he's made them captain or they've got some past reputation.
.  You've got to admit your mistakes or you'll keep making them.
Tragedy that we didn't get the locally born lad from Brentford
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kc56wba on September 15, 2018, 10:28:47 AM
Bloody awful display to be honest, but it is a point and a point away from home when you play rubbish is a added bonus.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggies on September 15, 2018, 10:32:20 AM
Dear oh dear what a moaning bunch of fans we have. It wasn’t great that’s for sure but we didn’t lose and any away point is useful in my opinion.
What I must say though is that the insistence of playing the ball out from the back just does not suit this group of defenders.
On to the next game!

Why join a forum if you don't like seeing others opinions? Just stick to Twitter or something.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on September 15, 2018, 10:35:05 AM
In possession I found Hegazi to be absolutely infuriating. Quick pass out wide or to to a midfielder? No thanks, I think I'll take 3/4 touches, do a couple of pointless turns under no pressure and then slowly pass it either Dawson or Bartley who then being pressed passed it back to him. Then the whole process repeated itself. Hegazi had 49 touches in the first half alone and J-Rod had 9! That happened over and over again. Second half the three at the back then started passing it straight to the Blues midfield. 

We literally spent about an hour of that match passing it between our defenders at walking pace with the rest of the team standing in front of them and watching. Giving Blues all the time in the World to get behind the ball and set-up their shape. On the very few rare occasions we actually made a successful forward pass we then turned back and went all the way back to the defenders in two or three passes. It was unbelievable and rubbish. How could Darren Moore not lay into them at half time and tell them to stop playing in their own third at the back so much?


Because that is part of the game plan. Fulham played this way last year, and their defenders were no better than ours IMO. Teams would sometimes line players along the edge of the box at goal-kicks and the 'keeper would pass to the defender near the corner flag if it meant not kicking it long.

Last night the passing at the back was very poor but they will be sticking with this way of playing as it will become more 'natural' and successful as the season progresses.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2018, 10:40:14 AM
I've deliberately waited until now to post as I find posting straight after a game is not wise as posts tend to be far too emotive. Some of the stuff I've read on social media is absolutely ridiculous so lets get some perspective in the cold light of day.

The performance last night was poor. It was very similar to at Forest and Boro. There was no midfield and with more quality Blues would've stuffed us.

There is no problem with the system, it's the personnel we are using within it. Some people have called for a return to four at the back. We don't have a recognised right back for a start other than Mears and he won't improve us and Dawson at right back won't solve our problems.

Last night Dawson has the worst game I can remember him having. He has not started his season consistently. Last week he was good against Stoke, last night dreadful. Why is this? Well, with all the shenanigans his pre-season was disrupted and I'd guess that's why is immediate form is patchy. We all know his quality and he will play his way into form, he'll be fine. Hegazi was superb against Stoke and again good last night, one of the few who played to a level we required. A stray pass first half and one second half is the only thing I can pull him up on and the one first half was as much Phillips's fault as he he didn't move for the ball. Bartley, based not on last nights game individually but on the season so far on the whole isn't good enough. He seems to struggle at this level. The only time he's looked assured was in the Caribao Cup vs Luton, lower league opposition. He is a downgrade on Dawson, Hegazi and any central defender we've had at the club for years. If he's not replaced his constant grappling is going to cost us penalties all season, he's got away with it time after time already. In January I'd be looking to bring someone in during the window if possible. For now how can we change from within? Adarabioyo is the first name that springs to mind but he's young and right footed. Would he be able to cope on the left of the three? I've no doubt he has more natural talent than Bartley but is he the answer now? Other options are Sam Field or Gareth Barry both who have played there. Neither are ideal replacements. Do we stick with Bartley? I'm not sure we can.

Wing backs are fine. People are slating Townsend but people wanted him to replace Gibbs after the Norwich game. Overall Gibbs is our number one there and Phillips on the right no problem. He, Hegazi and Barnes were the three players that did themselves justice last night and overall Phillips is fine.

Now the midfield. The whole set up of the game is affected by the midfield from the off. It was no surprise to see that once Barry came on we looked a different team for the last ten minutes. We are losing 10 - 20 % of our effectiveness right from the off playing Brunt in there. Brunt needs dropping. Nothing against him but he is not a central midfielder. Is Barry the answer, yes and no. He is fine in there but he is 38 years old and I don't think he can last ninety minutes there. He certainly won't be able to do that consistently. Do we have the answer within the club? Yes we do and I will keep going on about it till I'm blue in the face. Sam Field has all the credentials to fill that role. Harper doesn't quite have the vision or range of passing just yet. Field does and Darren Moore clearly cannot see what is right in front of his nose. Most managers seem to have a block about something or other that others can clearly see. This is Darren Moore's block. He needs to see it quickly. The midfield will look totally different with Field alongside Livermore. Livermore I feel a bit sorry for he needs help in there and is not getting any.

The forwards (and Harvey Barnes). Barnes is quality so is Gayle but they need help and they need the foundation to play off. Jay Rodriguez has been anonymous for most of the season and is offering very little goal threat in open play. He worked his socks off against Stoke, can't criticise that but other than that he's been poor. (I won't comment on the Norwich game as I didn't see that. Do we replace Jay Rod? At the moment we have either Burke or Robson-Kanu. Are these ideal replacements, no not for me really but can they really do much worse than the JRod we've seen for most of this season? I'm not going to lie and make out I know everything because I don't and I really don't know what I'd do with Rodriguez, Kanu and Burke.

The two things that stand out clearly, very clearly are Bartley and Brunt should be squad players. Those two are affecting the team week in, week out. Yes we will win games with them in the team because we have quality elsewhere but we won't get the enough points with these two as regular starters every game.

Final word on the goalkeeper. I thought Johnstone should've done better with the goal yesterday. He makes an initial move to come for the cross but then stops. That step he took meant he couldn't get back across his line in time to stop Jota's shot. Once making that step he has to come for the ball. Either come or don't make that initial step. He's young in goalkeeping terms but at the moment his decision making is not great. Does he need dropping? No, on reflection probably not, he needs games to gain the experience he needs to improve and he's still decent enough, though if he did get injured or something I wouldn't cry at Myhill replacing him.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on September 15, 2018, 10:41:19 AM
A totally frustrating night to be honest, looking forward to see the Albion in full flight against a poor blue's side. With Darren persisting with Brunt and livermore in the middle after a somewhat better display against Stoke I gave him the benefit of the doubt but with the game underway both reverted to form. Keeper kept us in the game with vital penalty save because at 2-0 there was no way back into match but he still gives me the jitters. Back three were a disaster waiting to happen and to be honest that has to be the poorest game I've ever seen Dawson play as for Bartley what an inept defender he is constantly fouling his opponent. Hegazi keeps reminding me that we only paid £1.5 million for him. Townsend on his debut came into the game as it went on but should have done better on their goal. Philips was head and shoulders above any of our players and his hard work paid of with goal. Brunt did absolutely nothing in game except give ball away for goal and for penalty,Livermore wasn't much better. Felt sorry for the three up top because if you get no service what can you do. First substitution was typical from Moore with HRK having little impact and one chance he had was his usual urine poor effort. Barry nearly changed the result with sublime pass which culminated in Barnes hitting cross bar should start a head of Brunt next game. Coach should have changed it up at half time but bottled it and was very lucky to come away with point.

To play devils advocate: Blues have only lost twice this season, both away from home 1-0's, one of them to Middlesbrough. Hadn't lost at home in their first three games before last night. They should have destroyed Swansea a few weeks back after dominating the match as well.

Jota is one of the best creative midfielders in the division and has been for a couple of seasons now, he'll give more teams the run-around this season than most players this season.

I don't see a point as a bad result, but we were pretty awful though.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on September 15, 2018, 10:56:30 AM
The biggest disappointment for me is that I didn't see a great improvement on playing out from the back following the two week break which I hoped would help us refine that element of our game. Early signs were actually encouraging however once Birmingham got to grip with shutting off the angle to Brunt, we just continuously gave the ball away. Birmingham to their credit pressed intelligently, letting our not so competent ball playing cbs have it and then press their inevitable poor pass. Dawson was poor but I have confident that he will find form but Bartley is not a match for this style at all; his first touch is always back inside from lcb which limits the angles of pass he has available to him. I've been advocating it for a while, but a left footed in there would really benefit us playing out. From our options available, Barry is that man.

Rodriguez didn't get into the game and I do worry about him, I think he should focus on stretching the play rather than coming deep to link it, that's what Barnes is there for. Townsend disappointed me for the first time I've seen him, hopefully he improves. I thought Phillips was our best player.

Lots to work on but some personnel tweaks should help us playing this system and style.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on September 15, 2018, 11:03:43 AM
I've deliberately waited until now to post as I find posting straight after a game is not wise as posts tend to be far too emotive. Some of the stuff I've read on social media is absolutely ridiculous so lets get some perspective in the cold light of day.

The performance last night was poor. It was very similar to at Forest and Boro. There was no midfield and with more quality Blues would've stuffed us.

There is no problem with the system, it's the personnel we are using within it. Some people have called for a return to four at the back. We don't have a recognised right back for a start other than Mears and he won't improve us and Dawson at right back won't solve our problems.

Last night Dawson has the worst game I can remember him having. He has not started his season consistently. Last week he was good against Stoke, last night dreadful. Why is this? Well, with all the shenanigans his pre-season was disrupted and I'd guess that's why is immediate form is patchy. We all know his quality and he will play his way into form, he'll be fine. Hegazi was superb against Stoke and again good last night, one of the few who played to a level we required. A stray pass first half and one second half is the only thing I can pull him up on and the one first half was as much Phillips's fault as he he didn't move for the ball. Bartley, based not on last nights game individually but on the season so far on the whole isn't good enough. He seems to struggle at this level. The only time he's looked assured was in the Caribao Cup vs Luton, lower league opposition. He is a downgrade on Dawson, Hegazi and any central defender we've had at the club for years. If he's not replaced his constant grappling is going to cost us penalties all season, he's got away with it time after time already. In January I'd be looking to bring someone in during the window if possible. For now how can we change from within? Adarabioyo is the first name that springs to mind but he's young and right footed. Would he be able to cope on the left of the three? I've no doubt he has more natural talent than Bartley but is he the answer now? Other options are Sam Field or Gareth Barry both who have played there. Neither are ideal replacements. Do we stick with Bartley? I'm not sure we can.

Wing backs are fine. People are slating Townsend but people wanted him to replace Gibbs after the Norwich game. Overall Gibbs is our number one there and Phillips on the right no problem. He, Hegazi and Barnes were the three players that did themselves justice last night and overall Phillips is fine.

Now the midfield. The whole set up of the game is affected by the midfield from the off. It was no surprise to see that once Barry came on we looked a different team for the last ten minutes. We are losing 10 - 20 % of our effectiveness right from the off playing Brunt in there. Brunt needs dropping. Nothing against him but he is not a central midfielder. Is Barry the answer, yes and no. He is fine in there but he is 38 years old and I don't think he can last ninety minutes there. He certainly won't be able to do that consistently. Do we have the answer within the club? Yes we do and I will keep going on about it till I'm blue in the face. Sam Field has all the credentials to fill that role. Harper doesn't quite have the vision or range of passing just yet. Field does and Darren Moore clearly cannot see what is right in front of his nose. Most managers seem to have a block about something or other that others can clearly see. This is Darren Moore's block. He needs to see it quickly. The midfield will look totally different with Field alongside Livermore. Livermore I feel a bit sorry for he needs help in there and is not getting any.

The forwards (and Harvey Barnes). Barnes is quality so is Gayle but they need help and they need the foundation to play off. Jay Rodriguez has been anonymous for most of the season and is offering very little goal threat in open play. He worked his socks off against Stoke, can't criticise that but other than that he's been poor. (I won't comment on the Norwich game as I didn't see that. Do we replace Jay Rod? At the moment we have either Burke or Robson-Kanu. Are these ideal replacements, no not for me really but can they really do much worse than the JRod we've seen for most of this season? I'm not going to lie and make out I know everything because I don't and I really don't know what I'd do with Rodriguez, Kanu and Burke.

The two things that stand out clearly, very clearly are Bartley and Brunt should be squad players. Those two are affecting the team week in, week out. Yes we will win games with them in the team because we have quality elsewhere but we won't get the enough points with these two as regular starters every game.

Final word on the goalkeeper. I thought Johnstone should've done better with the goal yesterday. He makes an initial move to come for the cross but then stops. That step he took meant he couldn't get back across his line in time to stop Jota's shot. Once making that step he has to come for the ball. Either come or don't make that initial step. He's young in goalkeeping terms but at the moment his decision making is not great. Does he need dropping? No, on reflection probably not, he needs games to gain the experience he needs to improve and he's still decent enough, though if he did get injured or something I wouldn't cry at Myhill replacing him.


Agree about Bartley. Why he feels the need to keep grabbing the opponents shirt is beyond me, I'm expecting a penalty to be given every time it's a free-kick or corner because of these shenanigans. The handball for the penalty almost defies belief.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on September 15, 2018, 11:13:04 AM
I thought a draw was a fair result in the end. Apart from their goal they only created 2-3 other chances. One was saved by Jonhstone, and the other was denied after Hegazi did enough to put the forward off, after good play by Jota. I don't count the penalty as that was a gift for them rather than something they 'created'.

We had chances for Gayle and Dawson in the first and two chances for Barnes in the second, one of which was saved and one which hit the bar. I thought we would nick it in the last 10 and it almost transpired. Blues began to tire and our attacking quality started to show. However poor we were if the game had gone to 'extra-time', we would have gone on to win.

Overall we made more unenforced errors than them and they played with a greater intensity over the 90, but I still thought that 1-1 was a fair reflection of the match.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 15, 2018, 11:23:06 AM
Taking to a Spurs mate about last night as he watched it. He said it just seemed like a typical Championship quality derby to him.

He did say that Hegazi was very poor.  That he received the ball and makes passes with his body shape all wrong and looks like he could make an error any time he's under pressure.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 15, 2018, 11:25:06 AM
Birmingham definitely had the better of the game until the last 10 mins.  Just counting attempts doesn't tell the whole story really.  Like the moments of panic in our box.  Or the time they were something like 4 on 2 and their player chose a shot from 25 yards rather than just slipping someone in.  Against better sides we would concede very good chances there.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
Taking to a Spurs mate about last night as he watched it. He said it just seemed like a typical Championship quality derby to him.

He did say that Hegazi was very poor.  That he received the ball and makes passes with his body shape all wrong and looks like he could make an error any time he's under pressure.


He's talking rubbish
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 11:44:17 AM
To play devils advocate: Blues have only lost twice this season, both away from home 1-0's, one of them to Middlesbrough. Hadn't lost at home in their first three games before last night. They should have destroyed Swansea a few weeks back after dominating the match as well.

Jota is one of the best creative midfielders in the division and has been for a couple of seasons now, he'll give more teams the run-around this season than most players this season.

I don't see a point as a bad result, but we were pretty awful though.
Think that's fair comment and Blues were far more dominant against Swansea than they were against us. I don't know why anyone expects any games to be easy in this division.
We've just got to sort out a way of getting some midfield control in games as there's no way we'll get automatic promotion if we don't. Regardless of personnel  (and plenty to discuss there), if our 2 man midfield is getting outnumbered and outworked we are not going to have any control in games.....and if that's happening in games we need to change it much much quicker.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2018, 11:55:10 AM
A pathetic performance. Slow, ponderous and devoid of ideas

Birmingham should have put us out of sight by half time. They had so many clear chances, we should be grateful they can't hit a barn door.

Not quite sure what to criticise first really as there was so many problems. Centre halves who can't pass the ball, trying to pass the ball, and inmobile midfield who can't pass the ball and ineffective strike force

There's a lot of learning to do away from home because I haven't seen one good performance yet
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on September 15, 2018, 12:03:47 PM
Birmingham definitely had the better of the game until the last 10 mins.  Just counting attempts doesn't tell the whole story really.  Like the moments of panic in our box.  Or the time they were something like 4 on 2 and their player chose a shot from 25 yards rather than just slipping someone in.  Against better sides we would concede very good chances there.

Yes but against 'better sides' Blues wouldn't benefit from the multitude of unenforced errors we made at the back, so it swings both ways.

Arguably their best chance came after great work by Jota, and the defender did very well to put the forward off.

Despite how poor we were we still had as many good chances to score than they had.

Most of the 'panic in the box' moments were caused by us trying to retain possession even when under pressure/in tight corners rather than just hoofing it. DM is trying to get us to play a particular way and this is all part of it. Bizarrely I didn't think we defended at all badly when they were coming at us. It was the numerous bad passes out from the back/poor link up play between the defence and CM putting us in trouble which was the major issue.

As an aside, Townsend was making his first start in the league, in a difficult derby away match. He lost concentration for the goal which allowed Jota the space to score. He's a young player only just making the step up from League 1, while Jota is IMO a Prem quality midfielder, and at this moment it showed. This is all part of the learning curve though. I still like the look of him as a player.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 15, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
I understand we are trying to play a different way but that's no excuse for players who consistently mishit passes directly to Birmingham players while under no pressure.  I would expect better from Sunday League players not players who were in the Premiership last year.

It at least puts to bed the complaints of last season and how we didn't get the ball down and play, imagine seeing what we are seeing now but against Liverpool or City.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2018, 12:50:17 PM
Evert time we attacked we looked likely to score but the defence was shambolic.
Was Dawson trying to get in the Guinness Book of Records for the most misplaced passes in a match?
Livermore was his usual anonymous self and Brunt offered nothing positive.
We have 11 points and have dropped 10.The situation would be even worse if opposing teams had not missed 3 penalties.
One positive was that DM subbed the captain as this is not an easy decision to make.He must now take Brunt out of the team and start blooding some of our young players.

But was this just because we have a game Tuesday ?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
But was this just because we have a game Tuesday ?


I keep thinking that at some point Darren is going to see the bleeding obvious. When Brunt went off last night we looked much  better, much less disjointed. Surely, surely he has to have seen that?

If I see the line up on Tuesday and Brunt is in it I'm going to feel like ripping my chair off and chucking it on the pitch. So frustrating. We're only a couple of changes but important changes away from being a really good side 1-11. We're compromising ourselves all the time.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cewba on September 15, 2018, 01:01:10 PM
I've deliberately waited until now to post as I find posting straight after a game is not wise as posts tend to be far too emotive. Some of the stuff I've read on social media is absolutely ridiculous so lets get some perspective in the cold light of day.

The performance last night was poor. It was very similar to at Forest and Boro. There was no midfield and with more quality Blues would've stuffed us.

There is no problem with the system, it's the personnel we are using within it. Some people have called for a return to four at the back. We don't have a recognised right back for a start other than Mears and he won't improve us and Dawson at right back won't solve our problems.

Last night Dawson has the worst game I can remember him having. He has not started his season consistently. Last week he was good against Stoke, last night dreadful. Why is this? Well, with all the shenanigans his pre-season was disrupted and I'd guess that's why is immediate form is patchy. We all know his quality and he will play his way into form, he'll be fine. Hegazi was superb against Stoke and again good last night, one of the few who played to a level we required. A stray pass first half and one second half is the only thing I can pull him up on and the one first half was as much Phillips's fault as he he didn't move for the ball. Bartley, based not on last nights game individually but on the season so far on the whole isn't good enough. He seems to struggle at this level. The only time he's looked assured was in the Caribao Cup vs Luton, lower league opposition. He is a downgrade on Dawson, Hegazi and any central defender we've had at the club for years. If he's not replaced his constant grappling is going to cost us penalties all season, he's got away with it time after time already. In January I'd be looking to bring someone in during the window if possible. For now how can we change from within? Adarabioyo is the first name that springs to mind but he's young and right footed. Would he be able to cope on the left of the three? I've no doubt he has more natural talent than Bartley but is he the answer now? Other options are Sam Field or Gareth Barry both who have played there. Neither are ideal replacements. Do we stick with Bartley? I'm not sure we can.

Wing backs are fine. People are slating Townsend but people wanted him to replace Gibbs after the Norwich game. Overall Gibbs is our number one there and Phillips on the right no problem. He, Hegazi and Barnes were the three players that did themselves justice last night and overall Phillips is fine.

Now the midfield. The whole set up of the game is affected by the midfield from the off. It was no surprise to see that once Barry came on we looked a different team for the last ten minutes. We are losing 10 - 20 % of our effectiveness right from the off playing Brunt in there. Brunt needs dropping. Nothing against him but he is not a central midfielder. Is Barry the answer, yes and no. He is fine in there but he is 38 years old and I don't think he can last ninety minutes there. He certainly won't be able to do that consistently. Do we have the answer within the club? Yes we do and I will keep going on about it till I'm blue in the face. Sam Field has all the credentials to fill that role. Harper doesn't quite have the vision or range of passing just yet. Field does and Darren Moore clearly cannot see what is right in front of his nose. Most managers seem to have a block about something or other that others can clearly see. This is Darren Moore's block. He needs to see it quickly. The midfield will look totally different with Field alongside Livermore. Livermore I feel a bit sorry for he needs help in there and is not getting any.

The forwards (and Harvey Barnes). Barnes is quality so is Gayle but they need help and they need the foundation to play off. Jay Rodriguez has been anonymous for most of the season and is offering very little goal threat in open play. He worked his socks off against Stoke, can't criticise that but other than that he's been poor. (I won't comment on the Norwich game as I didn't see that. Do we replace Jay Rod? At the moment we have either Burke or Robson-Kanu. Are these ideal replacements, no not for me really but can they really do much worse than the JRod we've seen for most of this season? I'm not going to lie and make out I know everything because I don't and I really don't know what I'd do with Rodriguez, Kanu and Burke.

The two things that stand out clearly, very clearly are Bartley and Brunt should be squad players. Those two are affecting the team week in, week out. Yes we will win games with them in the team because we have quality elsewhere but we won't get the enough points with these two as regular starters every game.

Final word on the goalkeeper. I thought Johnstone should've done better with the goal yesterday. He makes an initial move to come for the cross but then stops. That step he took meant he couldn't get back across his line in time to stop Jota's shot. Once making that step he has to come for the ball. Either come or don't make that initial step. He's young in goalkeeping terms but at the moment his decision making is not great. Does he need dropping? No, on reflection probably not, he needs games to gain the experience he needs to improve and he's still decent enough, though if he did get injured or something I wouldn't cry at Myhill replacing him.

sums it up perfectly for me
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 15, 2018, 01:27:55 PM
Because that is part of the game plan. Fulham played this way last year, and their defenders were no better than ours IMO. Teams would sometimes line players along the edge of the box at goal-kicks and the 'keeper would pass to the defender near the corner flag if it meant not kicking it long.

Last night the passing at the back was very poor but they will be sticking with this way of playing as it will become more 'natural' and successful as the season progresses.

There is a world of difference between planying out from the back and playing it around at the back. Surely our game plan can’t be just to pass the ball between the three centre backs for an entire half?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 15, 2018, 02:19:07 PM
But was this just because we have a game Tuesday ?

We all know who is going to be in the centre of midfield on Tuesday, sadly. Moore is painfully predictable and his loyalty to some of the players is going to cost him.

Brunt and Bartley cannot be starters anymore unless there are injuries.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2018, 04:32:26 PM
Turning out to be a good point so far with today's results. Next two games must win
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on September 15, 2018, 04:39:04 PM
I only saw highlights, but think we must persist with passing out from the back rather than going back to long punts forward. The problem is you've got to have players who are comfortable on the ball, and not old-fashioned defenders who win the ball and whack it upfield. I think Moore is trying to coach them into doing this, but you may have to put up your hand and say, sorry but these guys are too set in their ways to play any other way. At some clubs, the players are coached from a very young age to play out from the back, and Moore may be asking too much of them. 

On Brunt v Barry debate, funny how people change their minds. Last season, posters were all wanting Barry out, now he's flavour of the month. Both are good at timing accurate through passes, a very important quality in the team. Who has the better,  I don't know. But neither can last 90 minutes playing Championship football. In a midfield role, you need high energy levels and crucuially be able to turn and get back quickly.  Of the two I would prefer Brunt as he is a West Brom man through and through, and will try that little bit harder than someone who is only here because its a last payday.
   
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Xpresso on September 15, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
I'm all for us trying to play a passing game, but in order to do that there needs to be some mobility in midfield. The main reason our three defenders were made to look so woeful was the lack of movement in front of them. Time and again they looked for an option to get the ball forward but Brunt and Livermore just weren't presenting themselves.
Monk's tactics to stifle us in midfield worked perfectly, and only towards the end, by which time the Blues midfielders had run themselves into the ground, were we able to play through them.
Until we get some pace and movement in midfield we're going to struggle. Our only reliable outball at the moment is Phillips.
Time to give Barry, Field or even Harper a chance. They certainly can't do any worse.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiecarl on September 15, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
Change the manager 7 games in...unreal. Our fan base are now on par with villa/wolves. We can never call them fickle or laugh at them ever again.
He was appointed on the basis of six games...so the assumption was he deserved the chance on the evaluation of his six matches in charge, so why do we have to wait the whole season just to give him time to fail.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 05:23:12 PM
I only saw highlights, but think we must persist with passing out from the back rather than going back to long punts forward. The problem is you've got to have players who are comfortable on the ball, and not old-fashioned defenders who win the ball and whack it upfield. I think Moore is trying to coach them into doing this, but you may have to put up your hand and say, sorry but these guys are too set in their ways to play any other way. At some clubs, the players are coached from a very young age to play out from the back, and Moore may be asking too much of them. 

On Brunt v Barry debate, funny how people change their minds. Last season, posters were all wanting Barry out, now he's flavour of the month. Both are good at timing accurate through passes, a very important quality in the team. Who has the better,  I don't know. But neither can last 90 minutes playing Championship football. In a midfield role, you need high energy levels and crucuially be able to turn and get back quickly.  Of the two I would prefer Brunt as he is a West Brom man through and through, and will try that little bit harder than someone who is only here because its a last payday.
 
I'd never knock Brunt's effort but you can't assume that Barry will put in any less, I don't think he's the type to swan about for a last pay day. Personally I think that Barry as a genuine CM is better at playing the right pass whether that's short or long.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
I'm all for us trying to play a passing game, but in order to do that there needs to be some mobility in midfield. The main reason our three defenders were made to look so woeful was the lack of movement in front of them. Time and again they looked for an option to get the ball forward but Brunt and Livermore just weren't presenting themselves.
Monk's tactics to stifle us in midfield worked perfectly, and only towards the end, by which time the Blues midfielders had run themselves into the ground, were we able to play through them.
Until we get some pace and movement in midfield we're going to struggle. Our only reliable outball at the moment is Phillips.
Time to give Barry, Field or even Harper a chance. They certainly can't do any worse.


Just isn't true. Brunt is constantly in space in the centre circle and they just by-pass him. Meanwhile Livermore hides. Not conducive to the way we're trying to play.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2018, 06:31:10 PM
Turning out to be a good point so far with today's results. Next two games must win
Probably must win if we think we should be getting ahead of the pack by Xmas.  But it's all looking a bit congested with no real front runners, so I'd settle for 4/6 right now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2018, 10:48:44 AM

Aside from taking penalties this guy offers nothing as a 2nd striker. Either play him up front or play a midfielder.
One every five years I find myself in full agreement with Jacko 😀

We should have sold (and Dawson)
We can all talk about "showing them who's in charge,you've signed a contract" but the truth is they will be gone asap , so why wait ?

I still think we will be ok (top 6) but my belief is that Moore is writing the team sheet from front to back instead of from keeper forwards
I.e., must play Gayle only player who will probably score, must play Rodriguez after turning down x millions, must play Barnes only creative , must play Livermore/brunt for experience and loyalty .....then what's left

In truth he should be almost doing a Pullis/meggo.....
Keeper
3-4-5 players that will secure a clean sheet
One to screen
2-3 that can keep ball or move forward to relive pressure
Gayle

I know it's simplistic but if big Darren cannot sort CB's then why do we not get that he can't sort midfield ?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Standaman on September 16, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
The problem we had against Blues is they got it right tactically. They adopted a 3/4 block which is probably the best counter to a team that wants to play out from the back if you don't want to adopt a high press. I watched Man City struggle to break down a Palace side who adopted the tactic last season at Selhurst Park.

We aren't Man City even in relative terms in this league. Blues overloaded the wide areas where they had a winger and a full back often opposed by our wing back and only really pressed in the wide areas. They seldom broke a very rigid and tightly grouped central shape. i.e.

                                                  fwd       Fwd

                                                  CM       CM       

                                                   CB       CB

The full backs and wingers dropping deep out of possession and springing forward in possession however they were very rarely joined by the CM block.

The challenge for us was the 2 forwards blocked the passing channels centrally into the midfield which gave our Centre Backs few options for forward passes certainly through the middle. Blues held their central positions and always gave the player in possession the option of the wide ball which was then pressed by their wide players. From Gary Monk's perspective it must have been particularly galling to concede a goal from a wide position.

The fact they didn't drop into a deep block but engaged the ball higher up the pitch also stopped our CB's bringing the ball out because a turnover of possession would be in our half rather than in our opponents and therefore much more dangerous.

This was the basic reason why our passing was so off. There isn't any easy tactical remedy.

However to counter this there are a number of things that we could have done but generally didn't.

1. Work the ball across the back the point of this is a) gives the forward players a chance to make space. b) Test the patience of the opposition who will eventually lose discipline and chase a ball they shouldn't and that opens up the defence when one part of the block move out of alignment then it can quickly be by passed.

2. Movement ahead of the ball has to be more coordinated. Frequently either Brunt or Livermore dropped deep to pick up the ball from the Centre Backs however this doesn't move the block and if Barnes and or Rodriguez does not drop into the space there are even fewer passing options.

In this instance our CB's aren't particularly comfortable on the ball and they are in the deep grained habit of moving the ball on quickly which doesn't test the opposition's discipline. In respect of those further forward none of the front 3 really drop to look for the ball. I would much rather have Barnes attacking the opposition's back line than Morrison but on Friday night Morrison (if available) might have got on the ball more.

It was interesting that the last 10 minutes which might have our best spell was when Blues got nervous about getting the point and started to retreat towards their own area. 

Moore has plenty of food for thought.

 
 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: NJS on September 16, 2018, 07:11:21 PM
The problem we had against Blues is they got it right tactically. They adopted a 3/4 block which is probably the best counter to a team that wants to play out from the back if you don't want to adopt a high press. I watched Man City struggle to break down a Palace side who adopted the tactic last season at Selhurst Park.

We aren't Man City even in relative terms in this league. Blues overloaded the wide areas where they had a winger and a full back often opposed by our wing back and only really pressed in the wide areas. They seldom broke a very rigid and tightly grouped central shape. i.e.

                                                  fwd       Fwd

                                                  CM       CM       

                                                   CB       CB

The full backs and wingers dropping deep out of possession and springing forward in possession however they were very rarely joined by the CM block.

The challenge for us was the 2 forwards blocked the passing channels centrally into the midfield which gave our Centre Backs few options for forward passes certainly through the middle. Blues held their central positions and always gave the player in possession the option of the wide ball which was then pressed by their wide players. From Gary Monk's perspective it must have been particularly galling to concede a goal from a wide position.

The fact they didn't drop into a deep block but engaged the ball higher up the pitch also stopped our CB's bringing the ball out because a turnover of possession would be in our half rather than in our opponents and therefore much more dangerous.

This was the basic reason why our passing was so off. There isn't any easy tactical remedy.

However to counter this there are a number of things that we could have done but generally didn't.

1. Work the ball across the back the point of this is a) gives the forward players a chance to make space. b) Test the patience of the opposition who will eventually lose discipline and chase a ball they shouldn't and that opens up the defence when one part of the block move out of alignment then it can quickly be by passed.

2. Movement ahead of the ball has to be more coordinated. Frequently either Brunt or Livermore dropped deep to pick up the ball from the Centre Backs however this doesn't move the block and if Barnes and or Rodriguez does not drop into the space there are even fewer passing options.

In this instance our CB's aren't particularly comfortable on the ball and they are in the deep grained habit of moving the ball on quickly which doesn't test the opposition's discipline. In respect of those further forward none of the front 3 really drop to look for the ball. I would much rather have Barnes attacking the opposition's back line than Morrison but on Friday night Morrison (if available) might have got on the ball more.

It was interesting that the last 10 minutes which might have our best spell was when Blues got nervous about getting the point and started to retreat towards their own area. 

Moore has plenty of food for thought.

Good analysis.  Was Monk ever on our radar?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on September 17, 2018, 11:23:51 AM


2. Movement ahead of the ball has to be more coordinated. Frequently either Brunt or Livermore dropped deep to pick up the ball from the Centre Backs however this doesn't move the block and if Barnes and or Rodriguez does not drop into the space there are even fewer passing options.

In this instance our CB's aren't particularly comfortable on the ball and they are in the deep grained habit of moving the ball on quickly which doesn't test the opposition's discipline. In respect of those further forward none of the front 3 really drop to look for the ball. I would much rather have Barnes attacking the opposition's back line than Morrison but on Friday night Morrison (if available) might have got on the ball more.



Agree with your post about Blues getting their tactics correct and agree with the remedies suggested.  Regards the quotation above, Barnes and a striker going wide to create an overload for us in that area may work going forward. You've mentioned City so I'll reference them, both De Bruyne and or a striker or full back often drift wide to help find an overload in that inside right position. It does make you wonder whether going with a 2 behind the striker in a 3421 as opposed to 3412 may have merit going forward.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on September 17, 2018, 12:40:22 PM
Agree with your post about Blues getting their tactics correct and agree with the remedies suggested.  Regards the quotation above, Barnes and a striker going wide to create an overload for us in that area may work going forward. You've mentioned City so I'll reference them, both De Bruyne and or a striker or full back often drift wide to help find an overload in that inside right position. It does make you wonder whether going with a 2 behind the striker in a 3421 as opposed to 3412 may have merit going forward.

Oh for the days when we lined up 4-4-2 but the players had enough nous to sort "stuff" out on the pitch.  I can clearly remember John Wile re-organising us when necessary, Superbob used to martial the forward unit pretty well as I remember.

3-4-1-2 / 3-4-2-1  the basic should be "I'm in trouble here,help me" or I can win this on my own go and help someone else. Simplistic I know but surely still has its place.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 17, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
Agree with your post about Blues getting their tactics correct and agree with the remedies suggested.  Regards the quotation above, Barnes and a striker going wide to create an overload for us in that area may work going forward. You've mentioned City so I'll reference them, both De Bruyne and or a striker or full back often drift wide to help find an overload in that inside right position. It does make you wonder whether going with a 2 behind the striker in a 3421 as opposed to 3412 may have merit going forward.


I was thinking about that considering the consistent ineffective performances of Jay Rodriguez. Gayle up top with Barnes and Hoolahan behind either side just could work. I certainly think it's something worth looking at.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: skyclad99 on September 17, 2018, 12:51:44 PM
Oh for the days when we lined up 4-4-2 but the players had enough nous to sort "stuff" out on the pitch.  I can clearly remember John Wile re-organising us when necessary, Superbob used to martial the forward unit pretty well as I remember.

3-4-1-2 / 3-4-2-1  the basic should be "I'm in trouble here,help me" or I can win this on my own go and help someone else. Simplistic I know but surely still has its place.

Just being plain ridiculous here Albionic, how dare you suggest a form of responsibility and leadership on the pitch....... ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mister AT on September 17, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
The blues game reminded me so much of the Forest away game, they were the better team for large parts, didn't really create anything too threatening, then near the end we look most likely to win the game. (If I remember correctly, Barnes hit the bar that game too?).

I think we will need to tweak our game plans away from home a little and be abit more forceful in our attacking and build up.

The back 3 choosing to play out at every opportunity is going to put me in an early grave.
Title: Sky Match Highlights
Post by: TheBrom on September 23, 2018, 10:09:51 AM
Again, apologies for the delay.

Highlights here: https://vimeo.com/291341245