[gazberg]

But net spend is not a good measurement player valuation is more accurate.

Look at the intangible asset values on WBA accounts, that is more representative of the quality of players we have.

In terms of what is/was available to spend i'm on about. Im not referring to value of club on paper i'm talking money in the bank.

[Singhwba]

Is it just me who almost doesnt know how to react. This hurts tonight and i almost feel like i cant be bothered. Falling out of love with the game slowly, VAR, Albion just makes it so frustrating. Not being in my seat in the brummie doesnt help, not being able to rant or cheer as i normally would.
Im reading everyones thoughts and its like the players dont care, they probably thought today was a training match. Maybe it was good for SA so he knows exactly how bad we are and what he needs to work on. Fitness is an issue straight away.
Tonight hurts more then usual.

[LiamTheBaggie]

It was rubbish from start to finish - granted we were organised and compact in the second half, but we still failed to lay a glove on them.

I’m not going to comment on Livermore - I just hope he enjoys his Christmas.

Fair play to Villa - they were excellent

[KN22]

Imagine the 2,000 unlucky souls that had to pay £25 to watch that .

Johnstone only player that gets any credit at all tonight

What 2000 fans?

[CL3MO]

Thought that was disgraceful from our skipper tonight. We were awful before that, but he is meant to lead an example. The amount of times that he has flown in with tackles like that. This hardman act gets found out in the Prem.

Sounds like Big Sam ain't happy with it either.

So many other things though. Furlong's defending, complete lack of attacking potential (albeit with 10 men).

Roll on the Pool next week!

[skyclad99]

What 2000 fans?

Someone needs to check what tier the ground is still in😂

[Mikkyk]

Is it just me who almost doesnt know how to react. This hurts tonight and i almost feel like i cant be bothered. Falling out of love with the game slowly, VAR, Albion just makes it so frustrating. Not being in my seat in the brummie doesnt help, not being able to rant or cheer as i normally would.
Im reading everyones thoughts and its like the players dont care, they probably thought today was a training match. Maybe it was good for SA so he knows exactly how bad we are and what he needs to work on. Fitness is an issue straight away.
Tonight hurts more then usual.

I'm the same mate. For I think the first to ever I'm not fussed about watching our next game.

[baggiejohn]

In terms of what is/was available to spend i'm on about. Im not referring to value of club on paper i'm talking money in the bank.

The club have'nt got any, all of the money is tied up in assets.

The £40 odd million cash we did have was spent in the Pulis era.

[gazberg]

The club have'nt got any, all of the money is tied up in assets.

The £40 odd million cash we did have was spent in the Pulis era.

I'm just trying to guesstimate in my head. Thats why i said seeing the 2019-20 P+L report in a few months will be interesting indeed. We KNOW we lost 7m 18-19.

[beechyboy90]

Well even after a few hours to reflect I am still vexed beyond belief. The VAR officiating is shocking. They could wait to look at the tackle for Livermore and give him red didnt even bother with their foul on diangana and that was a genuine leg breaker. The livermore one was a harsh yellow but the game has changed and its eventually going to be contactless.

VAR aside we hadn't laid a glove on them before the sending off so not a surprise about afterwards. They had a team of people who could run with the ball. We only had Gallagher and even Phillips who tried to take the ball up the pitch.

Livermore I didnt know was playing. Sawyers anonymous. Diangana looked lost and should and could have been hooked earlier. Grant again didnt offer much. Gibbs and furlong both pants for goal as was johnstone.

Oshea I thought did well and ajayi had been one of our better players until the second goal he lost his head after and give away stupid penalty.

Manager rightly stuck with aide after great performance v man city however the subs after were terrible. Our striker had no service all game then he brought on knees have gone austin... diangana (never in game) Phillips (blowing out his backside) should have been off for grosicki and Robinson.

The only times we ever looked like doing anything with our 10 was a quick break so bringing on grosicki and letting him chase stuff into corner would have been a better strategy.

However the manager was getting a free hit today due to lack of time with team. Hopefully he learned Livermore a liability and only of use in championship. Austin legs have gone. Sawyers isnt answer in cm. Good luck sam you are going to need it

[colinmax]

Just a small point I thought a goalkeeper handling outside the box was a sending off offence,
The ref gave a foul but I don't think the he even booked him.

[DaveWBA]

Poor defensively, I'll disciplined, no goal threat. I thought we sacked Bilic.

[WBAinDEVON]

worst competitive team in over 20 years

[Hull Baggie]

Just a small point I thought a goalkeeper handling outside the box was a sending off offence,
The ref gave a foul but I don't think the he even booked him.

The rules have changed no longer a red card offence. It should have been a yellow, not sure why it wasn't.

[ronnie_allen]

The rules have changed no longer a red card offence. It should have been a yellow, not sure why it wasn't.

Yep. Definitely a yellow. Wasn't like he was even just strayed over the edge of the box. Was a good couple metres out.

On the brightside, at least Mings got booked for his gamesmanship. Always preventing opponents from quick throw-in, frees and keepers releasing the ball.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Yep. Definitely a yellow. Wasn't like he was even just strayed over the edge of the box. Was a good couple metres out.

On the brightside, at least Mings got booked for his gamesmanship. Always preventing opponents from quick throw-in, frees and keepers releasing the ball.

Wish some of our players would wise up to those arts..

[Fritzl Palace]

Wish some of our players would wise up to those arts..

Sadly we instead have a captain who does all he can to talk to refs to stop opponents getting booked. We are far too nice a side.

[Dexy]

Wish some of our players would wise up to those arts..

Grady should have been rolling up the East Stand after that stamp.

[Atomic]

Sadly we instead have a captain who does all he can to talk to refs to stop opponents getting booked. We are far too nice a side.

And far, far too naive.

[crazedwbafan18]

Another day another heavy defeat, another red card, another hopeless performance. So done with this season already. The status quo isn’t really helping either.

[Groovephil]

one positive is at least Sam is going to conned into thinking things might be ok with a couple of loans in Jan, if he wants to keep his record he and the board need to be in the market right away Jan.

Although we all know this wont happen. I already have a  horrible feeling that Sam will walk end Jan with the lack of funds int he Jan market making his job impossible.

[Hull Baggie]

one positive is at least Sam is going to conned into thinking things might be ok with a couple of loans in Jan, if he wants to keep his record he and the board need to be in the market right away Jan.

Although we all know this wont happen. I already have a  horrible feeling that Sam will walk end Jan with the lack of funds int he Jan market making his job impossible.

I think the board will have given Allardyce assurances that he will have money to spend in the window. I'm assuming Allardyce was satisfied with the money offered otherwise why take the job?

[Groovephil]

I think the board will have given Allardyce assurances that he will have money to spend in the window. I'm assuming Allardyce was satisfied with the money offered otherwise why take the job?

I have a feeling he thought the team was better than this, whereas we've known this team is miles away from staying up an outsider might think, they've got some half descent players. Only when you are in the bubble does the real horror become apparent.

We've been shocking for an entire calendar year now, a manager isn't going to change that without serious personal changes.

[Hull Baggie]

I have a feeling he thought the team was better than this, whereas we've known this team is miles away from staying up an outsider might think, they've got some half descent players. Only when you are in the bubble does the real horror become apparent.

We've been shocking for an entire calendar year now, a manager isn't going to change that without serious personal changes.

which is why I believe that Allardyce has been promised funds to bring in a few players.

[boinging_along]

It's worrying that this day and age we think the manager needs to have seen a performance like that to judge our players.  We have video of every match, from multiple different camera angles, in depth stats for all over the pitch, a new manager shouldn't need to stand there and watch to see that Sawyers never makes a tackle.