[LiamTheBaggie]

I don't know what you do for a living Gaz, but you sound as though you have a responsible position, so I'll ask you this question.

You are given a choice of two jobs, both which involves leading a team to hit a performance target. One job lets you chose your team members, the other doesn't. Which job are you going to chose?

I'm not sure that is necessarily relevant as the world of football is so unique and conventional wisdom does not apply.

[tex]

Maybe the owner is not the issue, perhaps we have a cosmic effect around the hawthorns that over time that sucks the intelligence out of the management. Lai was probably a genius before he bought us.

[Ronnie Allen]

You are given a choice of two jobs, both which involves leading a team to hit a performance target. One job lets you chose your team members, the other doesn't. Which job are you going to chose?

But in this case there's just the one job - the opportunity to take on a club in the English Championship which has the strategic intention as well as a realistic possibility of achieving Premier League status during your tenure. Or do you turn down that opportunity because the club for some reason can’t afford the release fees/salary demands of your assistants. Or maybe that particular package doesn’t align in some other way with the current requirements of the club’s management.

Clearly I don’t have a clue as to the ins and outs of the negotiation, any more than the rest of us on the list. What we can say though is that Wicky turned down this opportunity, we’re led to believe, because he couldn’t bring his assistants with him. Is he a man whose loyalty exceeds his ambition? Or maybe has has other offers, who knows!

[SmethDan]

I can’t remember a longer ‘search’ than this since when Pepe Mel replaced Steve Clarke, that went on some time.

The search for Slaven Bilic when he replaced Darren Moore was longer than a Nordic saga.

[gazberg]

I don't know what you do for a living Gaz, but you sound as though you have a responsible position, so I'll ask you this question.

You are given a choice of two jobs, both which involves leading a team to hit a performance target. One job lets you chose your team members, the other doesn't. Which job are you going to chose?

In cold text, I would definitely choose the position where I had more choice/authority however we don't know who his other options are currently so genuinely hard to definitively answer without known option Bs circumstances.

It's not the first club to look at what we are rumoured to be looking at in terms of transfers and manager/coach

[OldburyWBA]

I don't know what you do for a living Gaz, but you sound as though you have a responsible position, so I'll ask you this question.

You are given a choice of two jobs, both which involves leading a team to hit a performance target. One job lets you chose your team members, the other doesn't. Which job are you going to chose?

Its pretty standard these days that clubs choose the players and the Head Coach (not Manager) is expected to work with them.

Football is not the same as any other business.

[gazberg]

'ITKs' ,claiming Mowbray has had the all-clear unless I've read it wrong.

🚨 EXCL: West Bromwich Albion are expected to undergo talks with Tony Mowbray over the vacant head coach role with the current manager looking to return to work.

Both parties looking to make it happen asap with him being given the all clear to return to work. More to follow. 💣@EyaWeGew @WestBromXtra #wba

[OldburyWBA]

Mowbray added to the poll

[gazberg]

Gone for Mowbray. Good manager, good football.

[Dan]

Even without his past here Mowbray is the best remaining option. The job he did at Sundetland is basically exactly what we need someone to do with us.

[HampshireBaggie]

Mowbray for 18 months makes sense to me.

A good bloke, good football and a steady hand. We’ll be in safe hands.

Did he recruit young at Sunderland or use their academy?

[Standaman]

No Head Coach gets total control on transfers like they may have done 20 years ago. However nor do they get presented with a disparate collection of players, they will have some input into the recruitment process. How much will vary from Coach to Coach and club to club.  I suspect that our Head Coach will get an input as to what we need to recruit but ultimately a limited say in who is recruited.

I suspect the bigger issue for most perspective coach's is that the squad will have to be rebuilt on a tight budget and it won't be possible to retain the better players from one season to the next.

 

[Mikkyk]

If it is Mowbray we would be stupid to not let him have say over bringing in an attacking midfielder. His record is impeccable, I.e. Dack at Blackburn.

I would also have some hope he could reignite Swift and get him to 'check back in'.

[BalisPen]

It was common knowledge that we have had a policy of offering the head coach of list approximately 5 players for the position in question and it was the manager's choice who to sign.

Mogga also used to get his own way a lot, he wanted Zuvi after seeing him play against in a friendly, and Valero.

A manager must get the opportunity to reject a signing if he has got sound arguments against a player signing, or said player won't play.

On the subject of Sunderland they buy young players and expect the manager to work with them and their academy is producing good players in Paterson and Rigg.

[WBArgo]

'ITKs' ,claiming Mowbray has had the all-clear unless I've read it wrong.

🚨 EXCL: West Bromwich Albion are expected to undergo talks with Tony Mowbray over the vacant head coach role with the current manager looking to return to work.

Both parties looking to make it happen asap with him being given the all clear to return to work. More to follow. 💣@EyaWeGew @WestBromXtra #wba

With all respect, I think this recruitment saga shows just how little these supposed 'itks' actually know.

[addy]

I want Mowbray too.

[costa blanca baggie]

I'm putting my faith into astronomical events. For those that are unaware of such events, a good number of planets are rapidly lining up. That'll do for me. I may have been a druid in a previous life. Or desperate. 😁

[baggiejohn]

No Head Coach gets total control on transfers like they may have done 20 years ago. However nor do they get presented with a disparate collection of players, they will have some input into the recruitment process. How much will vary from Coach to Coach and club to club.  I suspect that our Head Coach will get an input as to what we need to recruit but ultimately a limited say in who is recruited.

I suspect the bigger issue for most perspective coach's is that the squad will have to be rebuilt on a tight budget and it won't be possible to retain the better players from one season to the next.

I'm not talking about total control Stan, the last manager certainly had an input with player recruitment, but the tone from the media, seems to suggest that Andrew Nestor would like to take this head coach selection opportunity to move the control ratio more in his favour.
In my opinion Nestor is wanting to change the job description to replicate the continental model, where they do tend to get presented with a disperate collection of players. Again in my opinion, that's what made Wicky an attractive candidate.
I believe Tony Mowbray will certainly want an input, if that's who becomes our next coach.

Not your comment, I know, but football is exactly like any other business. Most progressive clubs (including ours) are using data to negate the risks, because the rewards are huge.

[beechyboy90]

The whole coaches not being able to come I don't believe. Surely If wicky wanted the job he would have had just negotiated for different coaches to join him and if the club wanted him they would have given extra time for this contingency. Somebody pulled the plug and it wasn't for the coaches I'm sure. Conspiracy theory time.

On a more serious note with Maja getting injured and our financial prediction and how we are probably limited in market I would have Mowbray until of season (he gets to ease back in before finding another job and we have time to find our long term successor) we put an option for an extension in contract if he does well wonderful if not we have 5 months or so to find successor

[Standaman]

I don't see Mowbray as a stop gap appointment and I am sure he doesn't see himself that way. If he does come I'd expect him to be on a minimum of an 18 month contract probably longer.

[kc56wba]

If Mowbray came back for a second time I just hope it would turn out better than it did with Giles and Atkinson when they came back to the Albion a second time.

[hardtobeat]

The whole coaches not being able to come I don't believe. Surely If wicky wanted the job he would have had just negotiated for different coaches to join him and if the club wanted him they would have given extra time for this contingency. Somebody pulled the plug and it wasn't for the coaches I'm sure. Conspiracy theory time.

On a more serious note with Maja getting injured and our financial prediction and how we are probably limited in market I would have Mowbray until of season (he gets to ease back in before finding another job and we have time to find our long term successor) we put an option for an extension in contract if he does well wonderful if not we have 5 months or so to find successor

I don’t see Mowbray or any other coach from outside coming for 5 months !

[robnewbold]

But in this case there's just the one job - the opportunity to take on a club in the English Championship which has the strategic intention as well as a realistic possibility of achieving Premier League status during your tenure. Or do you turn down that opportunity because the club for some reason can’t afford the release fees/salary demands of your assistants. Or maybe that particular package doesn’t align in some other way with the current requirements of the club’s management.

Clearly I don’t have a clue as to the ins and outs of the negotiation, any more than the rest of us on the list. What we can say though is that Wicky turned down this opportunity, we’re led to believe, because he couldn’t bring his assistants with him. Is he a man whose loyalty exceeds his ambition? Or maybe has has other offers, who knows!

My gut tells me he balked at it last minute having misunderstood the gravity of the task.

[overseas baggie]

I don't see Mowbray as a stop gap appointment and I am sure he doesn't see himself that way. If he does come I'd expect him to be on a minimum of an 18 month contract probably longer.

Totally agree.  It would be an insult for it not to be at least an 18-month contract, ideally with a further year’s option in the club’s favour.   Easy to build in clauses if his illness returns and prevented him from working.

[overseas baggie]

The club did not decline the financial demands.  His desired number two declined to come.  Managers/head coaches absolutely rent on a trusted number two and if they can’t get them, especially in a move to a foreign country, then they will be far less confident in delivering.