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Is it time to change our transfer strategy?
« on: April 24, 2013, 11:33:12 AM »
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-chris-lepkowski-2999987

Let me help jog your memory.

West Bromwich Albion, managed by Tony Mowbray, were a week away from playing their first game back in the Premier League, at Arsenal.

They had played their final pre-season friendly against Real Mallorca the previous day, a game in which Neil Clement suffered his final, terminal knee injury.

Manchester United had just beaten Portsmouth on penalties in the Community Shield.

On that Sunday night I was due to meet my mate in a Black Country pub.

I was delayed because Albion had just announced the signing of Abdoulaye Meite from Bolton for a deal of around £2million. A pint was waiting for me when I arrived. All was good in the world.

Apologies for raking up bad memories of a poor player but this particular signing is significant in Albion’s timeline.

It was the last time Albion paid £2million or more (or indeed any significant amount of money) for a player from another Premier League club. They did later spend cash on Nicky Shorey, who arrived for around 1.4million from Villa in July 2010, but that was an exception. The Meite deal remains the notable milestone.

Back in summer 2008, Albion had already spent £3.25million on Liverpool’s Scott Carson and would pay a record £4.7million on Borja Valero before that August window closed.

That Meite was pretty much the last cash signing of such value from a top flight club and that Borja is still the club’s record signing tells you a lot about Albion’s transfer policy in the five years since.

Albion were relegated in 2008/09 and things changed.

Around then I recall a conversation with a senior member of the club’s hierarchy.

The context of what I was told has stuck with me since. It might not be exact, word for word, but the gist of it was: ‘transfer fees are, generally, dead money’. That statement shaped the club’s semi-official transfer manifesto.

Mowbray’s signings during the summer of 2008 were a watershed moment for club - essentially because, with one or two exceptions, they weren’t good enough in the main. The failure of those players prompted a re-think within Albion’s boardroom.

No longer would Albion be willing to shell out several million for little-known Spanish midfielders or Bolton’s reserve defenders.

In the three years since their return to the Premier League in 2010 Albion have only twice spent in the region of £4million - Shane Long in 2011, Ben Foster the following year.

For added perspective, 11 clubs currently in the Championship and a handful of League One clubs have spent more on their record signings.

Transfer fees, of course, don’t always reflect the true worth of a player’s ability. It’s merely a price tag determined by a selling club regarding their value of a particular player.

If you want a more true reflection of a player’s ability or attributes then the wage a player commands is a more accurate barometer - hence why it is no coincidence that a list of clubs’ wage levels in descending order tends to match the finishing position of the Premier League.

Albion, to their credit, have been one of the clubs to buck that trend in the last three seasons.

The Baggies have conducted their transfer business somewhat successfully since that watershed 2008 summer. A combination of scouting and due diligence into players spanning months, sometimes years, has helped bring in high quality players for little cash.

Gareth McAuley, Claudio Yacob, Youssouf Mulumbu and Billy Jones are the obvious success stories.

You sense that Albion regard finding the next Yacob as a challenge, an opportunity to flick a disparaging hand at the Establishment's desire to spend big money as if to say 'you can do it your way...but we've proven we can do it our way.'

It's worked so far. They should be rightly content with their record.

There have been the odd aberrations along the way, but it has generally been a succession of thumbs up.

Steve Clarke said last week this summer’s transfer programme would remain the same - one cash transfer, the rest would be loans and frees.

But now is the right time for Albion’s decision makers to consider a rethink of strategy.

The new media rights’ deal means every Premier League club will be entitled to £65million. How this will impact on this summer’s transfer market remains to be seen.

The Baggies find themselves in a place where they might need to invest a little more than previously to move the club on. They will now have the means to do so.

Whether Albion can continue to prosper within their current modus operandi is debatable.

Their transfer achievements during the last three years should be rightly lauded.

Yet the new TV deal means the football climate stands on the cusp of potential change. We might witness a shift in how the transfer system evolves and Albion have to be ready for that.

What has worked well for the Baggies in recent years might not necessarily be enough in the future.

On that basis, Albion shouldn’t be too dismissive of flexing their transfer protocol if the circumstances are appropriate.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 11:38:28 AM »
I personally like the way we have gone about our business the last few seasons, you can't argue that it hasn't been successful in the main. However there comes a time when you do need to go out and spend a little to get quality, for us Ben Foster is the benchmark of such a signing but even he isn't our record signing. Obviously you have the flip side with Valero who is our record signing and still gets people debating, for me he was the right man but at the wrong time for us.

With this new tv deal there has to be room to stretch our budgets for the right player, the problem is identifying the right player. This is where our scouting network needs to earn its money.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013, 12:01:06 PM »
The biggest problem with the new £65 million is that every other club gets it as well, that means the newly promoted clubs will 'splash the cash' as well, the new clubs, if properly organised will be a threat to all the current bottom half clubs and a few others, us included, it is essential we use this money more wisely than they do or we could be sitting here nervously looking at the foot of the table this time next season.

So regarding transfers, carry on as we are, its worked well so far.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013, 12:35:14 PM »
I don't think 'relatively' anything will change.
 
The one big transfer fee that Clarke implies will get relatively bigger and the wages paid to players will get relatively bigger.
 
What comes in in terms of revenue will go up but around the same amount will go out meaning the players will get richer.  Simple as.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 12:40:02 PM »
The biggest problem with the new £65 million is that every other club gets it as well, that means the newly promoted clubs will 'splash the cash' as well, the new clubs, if properly organised will be a threat to all the current bottom half clubs and a few others, us included, it is essential we use this money more wisely than they do or we could be sitting here nervously looking at the foot of the table this time next season.

So regarding transfers, carry on as we are, its worked well so far.

Hard to disagree with any of that. As far as I can see, the increased Prem money just means that everyone in the top division is better off, so all that happens is a levelling up of the playing field. We aren't suddenly going to be able to attract players any more effectively than any other top EPL side.

Steady as she goes in my view too.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2013, 12:48:17 PM »
I am fairly certain the strategy will not change much. The numbers in  terms of wages and fees are likely to get bigger but as Black Pearl said every other club in the Premier League has that money so it does not alter our position in the pecking order,  although we are in a better position to invest in the playing staff than some.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2013, 12:57:35 PM »
The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer from the added TV money!

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 04:22:20 PM »
Generally I agree , the fees/wages will increase in proportion.
What Clarke has said recently though points towards one "big" fee being shelled out, now we don't do that lightly and have experience at spending and not getting a great return so I would assume that whoever it is they have their eye on for this fee is going to really surprise us and be a big leftfield signing?
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 04:35:50 PM »
You cant complain at the transfers that we have made over the last few seasons, we seem to make players better and have a got a lot of them for next to nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 08:41:20 PM »
It needs to be remembered that the newly promoted clubs now get the £65 million and 4 years parachute payments, they really will be a threat, Cardiff will come up in good order already and add quality signings, the Albion need to have a good transfer window or we could end up amongst the strugglers next season.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2013, 10:11:17 PM »
The best signing made in 2012/13 was Michu for £2 million.  And amongst the worst recently are Darren Bent (villa), Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson (liverpool).

Top players can be bought for low fees, they are out there.  I'd suggest La Liga is the best place to look.

I think Albion are too loyal to some very mediocre players we have in our ranks currently.  Team spirit is great but I think it's lending itself to complacency with players wanting to stay 5-8 years at our club.

A player's performance can vary greatly over such a long period of time.  We should be freshening things up as I've seen enough from certain players which indicates their time is up!

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 10:36:50 PM »
I don't think we need to change our transfer policy as a whole, just make certain increases in proportion, as mentioned above.

I will be surprised (and maybe a little disappointed) if we don't break that transfer record this summer though. We do need that marquee signing.

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2013, 10:47:51 PM »
It needs to be remembered that the newly promoted clubs now get the £65 million and 4 years parachute payments, they really will be a threat, Cardiff will come up in good order already and add quality signings, the Albion need to have a good transfer window or we could end up amongst the strugglers next season.

Even if Cardiff do spend millions whose to say that they will be good signings, they do have a decent championship squad but Bellamy who has been one of there best players is getting on now and hasn't been in the Premiership for a while now.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2013, 11:12:54 PM »
It needs to be remembered that the newly promoted clubs now get the £65 million and 4 years parachute payments, they really will be a threat, Cardiff will come up in good order already and add quality signings, the Albion need to have a good transfer window or we could end up amongst the strugglers next season.

True but historically promoted clubs struggle and just throwing money at it isnt the solution on its own. A promoted club faces a battle to attract the right calibre of player to ensure survival. You need a slice of luck as Swansea had with Michu for example.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2013, 08:02:02 AM »
True but historically promoted clubs struggle and just throwing money at it isnt the solution on its own. A promoted club faces a battle to attract the right calibre of player to ensure survival. You need a slice of luck as Swansea had with Michu for example.

A small element of luck may come into it, but if the scouts to the right job and the selection process is adhered to then luck isn't a question.

I think Swansea knew what they were getting with Michu, and we did too when we looked into him.

I would stick with our current policy, like someone said earlier, the cash signing will be bigger and so will the wages therefore attracting better players and not putting us out of business
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 08:12:02 AM »
With the extra money, other clubs might start paying transfer fees for players where they wouldn't have done previously. If we don't start doing that too, we could go backwards.

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 08:21:28 AM »
IMHO any club outside the top 6/7 that doesn't budget for possible relegation with flexi-contracts, cautious spending etc is being unrealistic.  We're only 10 points off the scrap this year, that's a few offsides/red cards going for or against you.  We were right out of it when the first prem contracts began, and it took us 10-15 years to get back to our historic status as a top division club that gets relegated occasionally.  The trick is to come straight back up when it happens.

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 01:30:44 PM »
It needs to be remembered that the newly promoted clubs now get the £65 million and 4 years parachute payments, they really will be a threat, Cardiff will come up in good order already and add quality signings, the Albion need to have a good transfer window or we could end up amongst the strugglers next season.

No, they only get the 4 years parachute money IF they get relegated, just like we would. £16 mill the 1st season £16mill the next, followed by 2 years at £8 mill (& you only get all that if you don't get promoted back in the meantime)

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2013, 08:48:34 PM »
I think its about time we broke our transfer record of 4.7M for Borja Valero by spending 6M on Scott Sinclair,
thats something Jeremy Peace could do without bankrupting the club, think he`s only on 50K a week as well
which is something else which should be looked at, 40-50K for our best players and 30-20K for the others.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2013, 09:55:42 PM »
I think its about time we broke our transfer record of 4.7M for Borja Valero by spending 6M on Scott Sinclair,
thats something Jeremy Peace could do without bankrupting the club, think he`s only on 50K a week as well
which is something else which should be looked at, 40-50K for our best players and 30-20K for the others.

I can easily see us breaking the transfer record this window and certainly the Scott Sinclair deal would be one that would require us to do that. The wages are heading in that direction although Sinclair is widely reported as being on £40k a week.

I don't think signing Sinclair given his age would represent a departure from the club's strategy i.e. we are spending a fee on a player we can offer a four year contract and expect him to be at his peak for the duration of the contract. What I strongly suspect we will not do is bring in a 29 old for a big fee and put him on a long contract. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2013, 11:34:51 PM »
I wouldn't like us to change our strategy, but would prefer us to spend a bit more under our present strategy with the increased TV money.

I'd also like to see more use of "loan fees", where on top of paying the player's wages at his old club, we pay the club an extra fee for the season.  In other words, pay another £1m or £2m on top of the wages.  It enables a better calibre of loan player to be acquired, so that we can attract more Lukaku-type players.  Only takes one top player to be signed under such a deal.  If we can't prise Sinclair as a transfer, then for £40k a week wages plus an extra loan fee that might be more attractive to City.

I'd very happily pay £3m plus wages for Lukaku for another season on loan.  Do the maths - worth every penny.

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2013, 07:20:34 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2013, 01:53:27 PM »
In all the discussion about Peace's comments from last night  on putting a few more seats into the Hawthorns most posters have missed the most significent passage in his speech from last night. 

"Our experience of maintaining a 25-man squad over the past three years has led us to the analysed conclusion that running with 22 players – augmented by the Development Squad and the option of topping up in January – is the way forward for a club of our size competing in the Premier League"

and latter

 "The new Financial Fair Play rules mean that we will, more than ever, have to think outside the box to ensure our limited resources go further."

It has also been noticed that our form dips around Christmas and we are trying to address the issue

The new playing surface will feature under-soil heating which will enable the first team to train there during the inclement winter months - a time when we have suffered a poor return of points in recent seasons.

I think this adds up to a small shift in the way we manage the squad which has largely focussed on doing all of our business over the summer so we have the squad for the season on day one.

We started this season with a 24 man senior squad plus Lukaku who although not yet 20 was bought in as a "senior" player. It therefore looks like we will be running with fewer senior players next year. Although we would have the option of topping up in January. 

It is a difficult balancing act. If you look at the squad that started the season we could have lost El-Ghannassy, Thomas, Rosenberg and Jara completely with very little impact. Indeed one of them has been let go and 2 were loaned out for significent periods of the season. Although we have been stretched at times since we lost both Gera and Thorne to long term injuries.

I think running leaner through the first half of the season might be sustainable but it does require us to put a little bit more faith in our own youngsters and it also means that we would have to get busier in the January particularly if we pick up one or two  long term injuries.  However the introduction of fresh legs and planning to do so might sustain a better overall performance.

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2013, 03:36:27 PM »
Sad to say but realistically what more can we expect from the club? We have improved year on year but how much further can we go? Of the teams above us, which do we anticipate we can over take over?

I believe that we will spend more money but that will only be comparative to every other club who has been given more money (and bumped up the price of players accordingly).

Continue on the same path and with a bit of good luck we may reach a European place, change the strategy and get it wrong we could be ending up in a downwards spiral.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2013, 10:32:07 AM »
I would love to see us put some dosh on the table for Lukaku but realistically that's not going to happen. I dint see any real major changes. Well rewarded and loyal core players energised with a couple of shrewd quality acquisitions and an emerging youngster. Wonder how much progress Scott Allen has made?