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Title: Alan Irvine
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:01:27 PM
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Albion delighted to announce Alan Irvine will be appointed as their new Head Coach. He has agreed a 12-month rolling contract #wba 1/3

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Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3

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Irvine will bring Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as GK Coach 3/3
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on June 14, 2014, 06:03:03 PM
Shocking. Never mind saves old tight twit a few grand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
I'm actually in shock  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nocky on June 14, 2014, 06:03:42 PM
Absolute farce. 5 weeks to appoint a man who hasn't worked in football for 3 years with his last act as manager being to relegate Wednesday. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:03:55 PM
F*** off. I give up.. biggest period for the club for a long time.. and we get Alan Irvine. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
WBAFCofficial ‏@WBAFCofficial 57s

Terry Burton: "I'm delighted we have been able to secure the services of Alan and Rob.” 1/2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: howi1068 on June 14, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
Not the first choice on my list. Not even on my list of candidates. Don't quite know what to say.  :o : :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 14, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
I take it back about tim Sherwood I'd rather him than Irvine.

So so glad I waited to renew my season ticket.

After all I said earlier about JP and not making the same mistakes as before. It's probably true the other mistakes won't even be on the same level as Irvine.

Ridiculous choice and even more of a car crash than Sherwood.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: up_the_baggies on June 14, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
Jeremy Peace and Mark Jenkins have a LOT to answer for.

Another decision based upon wages and not football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: shortybaggies on June 14, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
What a waste of my entire life. On a high for a few weeks, hoping for a turn in fortunes following last years bad year. And then we go an appoint Irvine. Absolute farce
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
I'm really angry. This doesn't feel like my club anymore.

What use JP's shares when we are down a league. Or even two.

I honestly feel like sitting next season out and I've never felt that before.

What Fing lesson have you learnt, Peace? I've nothing but contempt for you now you (omitted on legal advice)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 14, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
So much for JP's comments that he was looking for someone better than Steve Clarke.  This is the most unexciting, underwhelming appointment.  Southampton get Koeman and what do we get...an old style nonentinty.

I wasn't keen on Sherwood and was hoping the reported other candidate in the frame would be an exciting young coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stonexbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:06:30 PM
What a joke - I hope they do refunds on season tickets
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:06:38 PM
After 5 weeks where JP said he was looking to appoint a head coach with Premier league experience we appoint the academy coach from Everton.
This is a joke, no doubt JP will say that he is the boards first choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
Seriously wonder what goes through Peaces head and the arsewipes who are advising him. I really hope in 12 months we all have to eat our words and I will happily but don't expect anything other than relegation next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
Glad I dont have a season ticket! GUTTED!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 14, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
Woah! Never saw that coming!!

Erm............I dont know what too say

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zac on June 14, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
Will be ringing up asking for a refund first thing Monday morning. I honestly thought this time he would get it right but yet again i should never have believed anything that came out his mouth! Pretty much gutted at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 14, 2014, 06:08:12 PM
I am disgusted a shocking appointment Peace has gone one too far this time. Peace said a few weeks ago we wont make the same mistakes as previous occasions this appointment gives me no confidence what so ever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 14, 2014, 06:08:29 PM
A complete and utter joke of an appointment.

Gutless idiots....its back to jobs for the boys.

The only positive is I rate Rob Kelly.

If the players didnt respect Mel they aint going to respect him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:08:32 PM
Here is his Prem experience:

"He has also managed Preston North End, who he took to the Championship Play-offs in 2009, and Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship and League One."

What's that? Oh yes, he hasn't got any! His best "achievement" has been to get Preston into the Championship play-offs! From Wikipedia:

"Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010. Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine, winning games against Barnsley, Blackpool and Peterborough United. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as on the last day of the season Wednesday needed a home win against Crystal Palace to avoid relegation. The match ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

Wednesday then had severe financial issues, with the club appearing in court twice over winding up orders. Following the successful takeover by Milan Mandaric at the end of 2010, Irvine was allowed transfer funds to revamp his squad. Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One
."

Well, Mr Peace, please do tell us exactly what it is that you've learned? We're dying to know!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on June 14, 2014, 06:09:03 PM
So, soooooo glad that I did not renew my season ticket. West Brom, you have let the fans down really badly this time. Relegates Sheffield Wednesday after being sacked by Preston, can't get another job elsewhere and then we come calling for him because he is cheap as chips. Unbelievable.

Jeremy Peace, you f****** waste of time. I was planning to watch a few games next season but I think I will stick to Rugby and non league where I feel that I am not being taken the p*** out of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:09:46 PM
I'm really angry. This doesn't feel like my club anymore.

What use JP's shares when we are down a league. Or even two.

I honestly feel like sitting next season out and I've never felt that before.

What Fing lesson have you learnt, Peace? I've nothing but contempt for you now you (omitted on legal advice)

My sentiments exactly I am so angry at the club for this - I feel physically sick.

I will not be making the usual trips to The Hawthorns next season.

I thought that Pepe Mel was our worst appointment ever and the club go out of their way to prove me wrong.

Peace out!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
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Burton: "With the support of Keith and Dean, we firmly believe we have put in place the right coaching team to move the club forward.” 2/2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:11:23 PM
Here is his Prem experience:

"He has also managed Preston North End, who he took to the Championship Play-offs in 2009, and Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship and League One."

What's that? Oh yes, he hasn't got any! His best "achievement" has been to get Preston into the Championship play-offs! From Wikipedia:

"Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010. Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine, winning games against Barnsley, Blackpool and Peterborough United. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as on the last day of the season Wednesday needed a home win against Crystal Palace to avoid relegation. The match ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

Wednesday then had severe financial issues, with the club appearing in court twice over winding up orders. Following the successful takeover by Milan Mandaric at the end of 2010, Irvine was allowed transfer funds to revamp his squad. Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One
."

Well, Mr Peace, please do tell us exactly what it is that you've learned? We're dying to know!

I think he learned that we're all gullible mugs for believing anything that comes out of his mouth
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lonions on June 14, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Well we now know why Peace was trying to get 75% to gain overall control!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
This justifies my decision not to get a season ticket don't get me wrong I love the club always have always will but why should I pay out hard earned money when the guy at the top can't be bothered to show any ambition. I'm sick to death of our club taking the cheaper option. Question to the people who didn't want sherwood are you happy now? I'm so angry and let down its beyond belief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 14, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
Im going to give him his chance at the end of the day.

Not happy at the appointment in the slightest but he has to be supported
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 14, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
Instead of staying away I'll be going to games and voicing my utter disgust at Jeremy Peace and Mark Jenkins.

Absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
How's this strange appointment going to attract the quality of playing staff we so desperately need? If anything, even more players will want away!

We're missing half a team, without half-decent replacements we'll be down by Christmas.  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
Halesowen town next season for me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 14, 2014, 06:12:37 PM
Mid table championship club.

Thank you mr peace for totally destroying any ambition I had left .
You have your wish , now you can please leave my club alone , I am sure you have milked enough money from my club to be very rich.
I am totally weary and at an all time low but unlike you mr peace I will always support my Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 14, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
Tell me this is some kind of sick joke.
Or perhaps I'm dreaming and will wake up in a minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
How the **** can we go from Hodgson to Irvine in 2 years??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 06:12:54 PM
Same old same old, 'after weeks of due diligence we appointed Alan Irvine and his team as the are the best suited blah blah blah,
Its as insulting as it is untrue.
I still can't believe that they've done this to us.
5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine.
At least tight arses phophecy of us being a Championship team looks like being fulfilled now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:13:13 PM
Is it Aprils Fools ?  Everything most of us feared with this cheap, nasty low key appointment to reply Mel.
Makes Steve Clarke's sound positively glowing !

Need to take this in !!!!!!

Peace Out !!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:13:18 PM
He's been widely dubbed as the worst manager Sheffield Wednesday have ever appointed.

A man who took a stable Championship club to a relegation battle in league one...

Just let that sink in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
I'm shocked by this announcement but let me see if I can take any positives from it.
AI has come here with one coach accepted terms and will work with the dynamic duo. That makes a change for people we appoint.
He doesn't have a great record but that doesn't mean he won't bring change to our team. I cannot see him taking cr*p from the players. I'll give him the chance to bring in some new faces and mold a team before passing judgement.
Umm... and now I'm lost for words....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
Usually I give the club the benefit of the doubt - but not this time.

This is a ludicrous appointment.

I should have applied myself apparently I'd have been taken seriously.

What a joke!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
eeeesh - takes a lot to make me head-butt the table

Why did we offload Pepe Mel again ?



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:15:24 PM
I am absolutely fuming.

Apparently they expected a backlash. I thought the master plan was to get the fans back onside?

A terrible, unambitious, gutless appointment.

5 weeks + time we knew Mel was going to go and the best they could appoint was Alan Irvine.

I hope he makes me eat my words i really do. But there are some serious problems at our club and this has just shown that despite the early summer positivity, they are still there and will be for some time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:15:31 PM
A rubbish appointment  Not what we need at all!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
Last job was to take Wednesday down !   All but disappeared for last three years.......

Looks like we are, as a Club, preparing for the Championship when Peace is much more comfortable...............I'm one of idiots that renewed both our season tickets.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 14, 2014, 06:16:26 PM
What a joke - I hope they do refunds on season tickets

anyone who has purchased a season ticket should take it back and demand a refund, this clubs run by idiots,weve sacked better managers than Irvine will ever be,total fooking shambles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Bet Irvine feels like he's won the lottery! Jeremy Peace really can do just what he likes. 16k season ticket renewals in the bag then he does this!!!

Pinstripes next on his agenda.

Mexican waves at the first match of the season anyone?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
They probably thought if they announced it the day of the England game it would go under the radar! Obviously not

Can't wait to see what sort of players we attract now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
I was waiting for the new head coach to be appointment before renewing my season ticket. I don't have the heart to renew now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 14, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
is this a joke or what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Manager_Markets on June 14, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
I actually had to Google Irvine to find out who he was...

I'm struggling to see how you go from holding talks with Moyes, to giving the job to his fking tea boy!!

 ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albionicus on June 14, 2014, 06:17:12 PM
Another f@@@ing jock mediocre no one. I am well peeed off with this clubs decision making. No prem experience, done nothing, going nowhere but down.
He will certainly attract top players, not.

Jesus christ what the hell is going on- what a great day for Wolves fans.

F him off now
5 weeks of negotiations for this.......

IRVINE OUT
I ain't going up again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!so much wrong and hypocritical in this decision makes a total nonsense of the last 10 years let alone the Bald ones statement of a few weeks ago,secretarys going to be busy fielding transfer requests in the next few days i feel!! >:( >:( >:( >:( Laughing stock of the midland we know what we are. Two fingers openly stuck up at the supporters!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on June 14, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
words cannot explain this appointment, they will be doing this all again by September when we are firmly rooted to the bottom of the premiership
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maximus on June 14, 2014, 06:17:39 PM
Another SC situation all over again, Appoint a number 2.

Just didn't expect him at all, We'll see how it all pans out, Getting rid of Mel for Irvine.  :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 14, 2014, 06:17:44 PM
Serious question, would ANY team in the Championship be happy with Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:17:46 PM
You said a lesson has been learnt but you still appoint an inexperienced man as a head coach.Shocked as I read this news.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 14, 2014, 06:17:54 PM
Im going to give him his chance at the end of the day.

Not happy at the appointment in the slightest but he has to be supported

Yup, can we give him a chance at least?  I'm not happy, but I never liked the idea of Sherwood, I thought he'd be gone by Xmas with us in the bottom three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on June 14, 2014, 06:18:19 PM
This makes the Sherwood appointment look like genius.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on June 14, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Genuinely cant believe this. What the f*** were they thinking

And to think I didnt want Sherwood
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:18:27 PM
WBAFCofficial ‏@WBAFCofficial 7m

Burton: "With the support of Keith and Dean, we firmly believe we have put in place the right coaching team to move the club forward.” 2/2

And, in a nutshell, that's what it boils down to at the end of the day. In the world Peace lives in, that's more important than anything else (oh and the cheapness of course). Absolutely mind-boggling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
I actually had to Google Irvine to find out who he was...

I'm struggling to see how you go from holding talks with Moyes, to giving the job to his fking tea boy!!

 ???

Obviously the talks with Moyes were to ask him about Irvine.. jesus.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2014, 06:19:56 PM
Think you will find Rob Kelly is another ex-dingle from the Downing era, bet they are loving this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 14, 2014, 06:20:13 PM
As said above i shall be giving him a chance but i have a bad feeling about this, there is a lot of resentment towards staff at the club as it is, Irvine is going to have to work twice as hard just to be given a chance, we needed somebody who could unite everyone, i dont think this appointment has done that.

Irvines track record isnt outstanding and to say i am shocked is an understatement, the players seemed to lack respect for Pepe Mel and i cant see how this appointment is much different.

We have to give him a chance though ,I can only think he is appointed as he seems to be quite academy driven so he will try and introduce younger players and that we have a footballing director of football  in Burton (if that makes any sense) so i would assume Irvines main duties will be coaching, lets hope he brings a lot of young hungry players to the club as well as promoting our own.

That said this is a huge risk, I have backed JP from Day one as think overall he has done a very good job, but initial thoughts this looks a strange appointment and a big risk (all appointments are to a certain extent) and if it goes wrong then he really has to question if he is the right man to to keep running the club.

Good luck Alan, you are going to need it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 14, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
I'm amazed and very angry. Irvine has not been linked to any job even in the Championship over the last three years how on earth does he manage to get a Premiership club. Peace is desperate to make us a mid table Championship club. I had one or two doubts about Sherwood but surely he would be a better fit than Irvine. I really hope I'm proved wrong. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 14, 2014, 06:20:33 PM
I'm honestly stunned and now I'm laughing. I really can't believe we've appointed Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
All I can suggest to people is vote with your money and get a refund on your season ticket.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:22:09 PM
The real problem here is that, when we are bottom at Christmas, with a not quite right squad and this muppet in charge, THEN who will come and be our next coach?

We have finally scraped that barrel, folks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 14, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
not 1 single good word on here says it all championship here we come ! I am fuming at this a joke a yes man to keep downing and denno
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
Why not Zola, Hughton or Mackay? Why go all the way down to Irvine.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: fentbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:23:06 PM
Booger me!!!! If old tight backside spends all the money saved on a raft of quality signings this Summer seeing as he's obviously spent a fiver and a balti pie on the manager, then it'll be only slightly less farcical.

This is a make or break decision. If this backfires, which let's face it, is more likely than not, Peace needs to sell up and pee off.

Christ on a bike - what kind of wages must Sherwoods boys have been looking for ffs???

***Waiting on all the money spent on brilliant signings before August 31st......***

 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
Halesowen town next season for me!


Rushall now Sneekers is in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frankieb on June 14, 2014, 06:24:05 PM
What a complete joke and a joke of a club. Well peace said we are a championship team and now he's put the structure in place. What must pepe fell like. I destest Jeremy Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:24:16 PM
is all that springs to mind upon hearing this shocking and totally left of centre news...............

Peace back where he's comfortable with loads of Prem dosh swilling around the Club !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
what a load of rubbish ,peace out mass demo needed ,one big joke
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: benalbion on June 14, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
absolute joke. stumbling block for Sherwood was wages my backside, so obvious kiely and downing are not going be moved only Irvine is stupid enough to agree to work with them. massive struggle for us in the near future until we have the b##ls to have a clear out we desperately need
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
When i saw this on facebook i thought it was a joke post! Now i realise its true. I dont want to be nasty to the man but is this the best we can do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:26:36 PM
We won't now get the interest of seeing what Sherwood can do- if it ultimately failed at least it would have been interesting.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
He's been widely dubbed as the worst manager Sheffield Wednesday have ever appointed.

A man who took a stable Championship club to a relegation battle in league one...

Just let that sink in.


My brothering law is a BIG OWL 'S fan & would agree with that statement 100%. he hasnt stopped tacking the urine for the last 15 mins my phones on melt down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
I will wake up in a minute, I'm sure of it.

WTF you thinking Peace? GTFO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:28:10 PM
What a complete joke and a joke of a club. Well peace said we are a championship team and now he's put the structure in place. What must pepe fell like. I destest Jeremy Peace.

So do I. I'm not going to a single game next season. This jumped up, arrogant, ignorant moron needs to see how we feel. Hit his bloody pocket.

Hughton suddenly sounds SEXY.

I'm finding out where Pepe Mel goes next season and going to spend the money going over to watch his club.

MAD AS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboy74 on June 14, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on June 14, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
Haha.

I haven't logged on for I don't know how long because of pure frustration with WBA in general, but I just had to log on in order to laugh at this. I really do feel sorry for all those season tickets!

Haven't been up much last season and definitely will NOT being going up this season. What a joke haha.

In my job, working with kids, football always crops up. Kids always ask who I support and I used to tell them, but recently I've been finding myself saying 'no one in particular'. This is proving to be a better tactic as I will no longer get people constantly asking me about the pathetic displays week in and week out. And now add this to the equation!

"Irvine, Irvine, who the f*** is Irvine?!" could be a song for next season perhaps? (To the Roy Chubby Brown song).

Football, it's a funny old game! And I don't think I'll stop laughing for some time!

Irvine?! Hahahaha.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
Awful appointment. Can't get moyes so get his former assistant. Genuinely shocked. Thought we were getting the best english speaking manager available?!

My only hope is that he will play good football now as he was at Everton last year and Martinez must have told him to?

Nevertheless worse appointment for over 10 years!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lonions on June 14, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
How can he appoint a man thats taken two teams too league one in as many seasons?

I think im going to cry into my pint!  :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:28:48 PM
We won't now get the interest of seeing what Sherwood can do- if it ultimately failed at least it would have been interesting.

Very true Sherwood would have been a gamble but it was an interesting one.

This is an awful appointment - there is not a single Premier League team other than us who would have even interviewed Alan Irvine.

May as well have appointed Dave Jones.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 06:29:25 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.

This sounds like a very good plan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
Even I cannot believe this appointment.

I always said whoever was appointed we have to be behind him and whilst that logic still applies it is very difficult not to feel deflated. It's hard to see us not going down at this moment in time, there seems nothing positive at the club at all - we look a club all over that's going on the slide.

I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I'm sort of feeling our spell in the top flight is coming to an end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
Can't get moyes so get his former assistant.
Despite the club trying to big up Irvine's role at Everton, he wasn't Moyes' assistant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 14, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
This sounds like a very good plan.

Absolutely - I will drive up from Cardiff especially.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:31:07 PM
This sounds like a very good plan.
first home game and every home game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.

I'm up for that, I'd travel down for it for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
I mean, I never thought we would be in a position where we actually recruit someone worse than Dave Jones. I feel like crying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:32:05 PM
For anyone interested.


Managerial statistics
                                 Matches W      D   L     Win %
Preston North End      111      45     26   40   40.54
Sheffield Wednesday   59      24     13   22   40.68
                          Total  170      69   39   62   40.59
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

The "get stable Championship clubs relegated" kind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

According to my brother-in-law rubbish   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:33:25 PM
Irvine should play the lottery later..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
Absolute joke. There are a hell of alot of people I didn't want, but even all of those came above this bloke !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darby009 on June 14, 2014, 06:34:09 PM
simple answer, send a message like villa did with ALEX M, he is not wanted, boycott the ground..

I personally will not give the club a single penny of my money this season, glad I waited to renew....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"

Just sums it up really doesn't it. Anyone still got the Bobby Gould coffin?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"


These pair are obviously a big problem at the club, everything it seems has to revolve around them. God knows why they are hardly Clough and Taylor are they?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Sack Mel, then dally about for 5 weeks before appointing Irvine. Wow.

I was already losing interest in Albion due to the decisions being made over the last 18 months or so, but this has just confirmed it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
I hate football. >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 14, 2014, 06:36:38 PM
Oh dear, what a rubbish appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2014, 06:37:19 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"
Told ya day I
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kendo on June 14, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
What a load of rubbish, we wait nearly 5 weeks for that. we are just a laughing stock. What was all the rubbish about not making the same mistakes, I  think we can safely say this is worse. I dread to think what type of players we will attract, if any. All JP crappy speech counts for nothing. Anyway playing in the rubbish new strip will just about put the finishing touch to it all. I bet theres a few people down the road laughing there socks off. OOPS sorry don't mention socks. I think after all the years I have followed WBA its time to get a life. and sod em.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
From my bit of research, Irvine is leaving a job as Academy chief at Everton for us (hence why he's not managed in the league for a while). Between him and Sherwood's tendency to use young players I think it tells you in which direction Peace wants to go.. He really wants the academy producing something it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:40:11 PM
From wiki

Irvine took over as manager of Preston North End on 20 November 2007 with Preston in a relegation battle. He guided Preston to a respectable 15th place in the 2007–08 season. In his first full season in charge, Irvine led Preston to the play-offs when on a dramatic final day of the season.After that he was named the Championship Manager of the Month for April. Preston lost their play-off semi-final to Sheffield United 2–1 on aggregate. He was sacked on 29 December 2009 after Preston suffered a poor run of results where the team only won once in 10 games.

Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010.Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as the last game of the season ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

 Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One.


RDM,Clarke type manager,helpless to lead the team out of the plight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
Despite the club trying to big up Irvine's role at Everton, he wasn't Moyes' assistant.

I know, he was at Preston.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
What a load of rubbish, we wait nearly 5 weeks for that. we are just a laughing stock. What was all the rubbish about not making the same mistakes, I  think we can safely say this is worse. I dread to think what type of players we will attract, if any. All JP crappy speech counts for nothing. Anyway playing in the rubbish new strip will just about put the finishing touch to it all. I bet theres a few people down the road laughing there socks off. OOPS sorry don't mention socks. I think after all the years I have followed WBA its time to get a life. and sod em.
yes sod kendo , vote with our feet might make peace urine off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
I bet most of the remains of our 1st team are texting their agents as we speak!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 06:40:35 PM
If this is the calibre of coach we are bringing in, what sort of calibre of players are we looking at ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 06:40:44 PM
What an opportunity to turn a negative year around with an interesting, passionate you g coach. Irvine gets no chance from me he needs to prove to us all why he has got the job , my faith in Peace has been destroyed. This is a huge gamble and I'm convinced it won't pay off.

I'm in utter shock.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
I would encourage a many of you as possible to get refunds on your season tickets. Seriously. We, as a fan base, have been taken for mugs.

Jeremy's statement of intent leads to nothing. We've appointed a man with no premier league experience, who relegated his last club, has little to no personality and will do nothing to inspire / attract players to the club. At a time when the fan base needed to be united in our venture forwards.

Whats worse, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract. In 4 months time we know that the players won't have any assurances over his future, will give up the ghost, and we'll be relegated.

I am furious. Beyond angry. This might be the last straw for me and this club. I'll put my effort in to local clubs like Bromsgrove and Kiddy.

Ask yourselves why, too. Its because JP is too tight with the purse strings, is too detached from the fan base and is too protective of the back room coaching staff.

We're going to be relegated, with a whimper. I genuinely have little regard for our chairman anymore, and he can f*** off in to the sunset with his profits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:40:58 PM
This is confirmation that Peace doesn't give a toss about the supporters of our club. I sent him an email before Mel departed and another email two weeks ago. All I got was the standard email response that the emails had been passed on to the appropriate department. Well you've done it now, there us no way that I am renewing my season ticket now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 14, 2014, 06:41:08 PM
We should just storm the place this must be the worst thing he's ever done
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
12th In League One.. his last job.. 3 YEARS AGO.. Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:41:19 PM
I bet most of the remains of our 1st team are texting their agents as we speak!  ;D
who cares they can all go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
Ive followed the Albion all my life right from when the doctor smacked my back side & out came west brom & i can honestly say i have NEVER EVER FELT SO PEE'D OFF.
My glass is always half full but ive just smashed it off the wall.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 14, 2014, 06:42:02 PM
I said a week ago we'd get a pooh appointment on night of England game.

burying the news.

I'm in shock.

utterly utterly underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:42:25 PM
You can also tell from this appointment how the transfer window will go regards to spending..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
We weren't even looking in the right place; others interviewed were: Hughton, Zola, McDermott and Herve.

Speechless

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 14, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
I would encourage a many of you as possible to get refunds on your season tickets. Seriously. We, as a fan base, have been taken for mugs.

Jeremy's statement of intent leads to nothing. We've appointed a man with no premier league experience, who relegated his last club, has little to no personality and will do nothing to inspire / attract players to the club. At a time when the fan base needed to be united in our venture forwards.

Whats worse, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract. In 4 months time we know that the players won't have any assurances over his future, will give up the ghost, and we'll be relegated.

I am furious. Beyond angry. This might be the last straw for me and this club. I'll put my effort in to local clubs like Bromsgrove and Kiddy.

Ask yourselves why, too. Its because JP is too tight with the purse strings, is too detached from the fan base and is too protective of the back room coaching staff.

We're going to be relegated, with a whimper. I genuinely have little regard for our chairman anymore, and he can f*ck off in to the sunset with his profits.

Absolutely 100%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:46:29 PM
Funny how our relegation odds have just shortened dramatically.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:47:28 PM
Steve Madeley of the E&S obviously has his finger on the Albion forum pulse:

"despite the prospect of a luke warm reaction from supporters, the Baggies believe Irvine’s widely-acknowledged expertise on the training ground can reinvigorate a squad still yearning for former boss Roy Hodgson"

Him and Chris Lepkowski regularly point out that their job is to report news and, if the news is bad it's not their fault and, after all, they're not part of the Club's PR department. In which case, I look forward to the headlines later today or tomorrow stating "Albion fans in uproar over Irvine appointment". Do you think it'll happen?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Tempted to write a letter to the chairman explaining why I won't be getting a season ticket and why do many of us feel so down hearted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
You can also tell from this appointment how the transfer window will go regards to spending..


Who of any quality is going to want to come here?

NO AMBITION AT ALL at West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Roolee on June 14, 2014, 06:48:01 PM
All I can suggest to people is vote with your money and get a refund on your season ticket.

Can we do that? I know Villa allow you refund up to the first game.  Anyone know if we can actually get a refund?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:48:28 PM
Funny how our relegation odds have just shortened dramatically.

3/1 i'd say the bookies are being very generous - i'd have us odds on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
I said a week ago we'd get a poo appointment on night of England game.

burying the news.

I'm in shock.

utterly utterly underwhelmed.

Hats off. Looks like you were right.

My head tells me we have to give the bloke a chance, that JP knows what he's doing, that Burton rates the guy.

My heart is too dismayed to tell me anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

Extremely negative football.

Plenty of hoof ball.

And god help us if we ever take a lead because we will spend the remainder of the game trying to defend it.

At SWFC he set his team up to defend a for the remainder of the game when they were losing 1-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:49:34 PM
Was looking forward to the England game.. not about more. This has put me right off football. Thanks Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:50:07 PM
In all seriousness how do we convince players to join us now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chippy49 on June 14, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.
wasnt alan irvine a albion target about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
3/1 i'd say the bookies are being very generous - i'd have us odds on.


It's an absolute steal IMO. I think we are certs to go down. We nearly did last season and we've lost about ten players from that squad and any replacements I can't see being very inspiring. Practically ALL the fans now feel downtrodden. The place has the stench of defeat all round it.

Well done Peace you couldn't have done more damage if you tried.

Get your money on. 3/1 is a great price.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 06:51:25 PM
YES this looks like a bad appointment but lets see who we can sign before the season.
Is there anyone decent we can poach from Everton?
I'm trying to stay positive but I just feel so deflated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
In all seriousness how do we convince players to join us now?

We dont, I think this is the aim of the board.

We will have a dreadful transfer window aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on June 14, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
Surely a blatant attempt to reduce the share price? Smart move Mr peace!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Roolee on June 14, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
From my bit of research, Irvine is leaving a job as Academy chief at Everton for us (hence why he's not managed in the league for a while). Between him and Sherwood's tendency to use young players I think it tells you in which direction Peace wants to go.. He really wants the academy producing something it seems.

Then we will lose any that are any good to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
How much do we know about Rob Kelly ? I see he was with Irvine at Sheff Wed which is hardly a positive.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:54:36 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.

F--k Clark should have kept Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
How much do we know about Rob Kelly ? I see he was with Irvine at Sheff Wed which is hardly a positive.

He worked with Mad Billy Davies at Nottingham Forest too.

wasnt alan irvine a albion target about 10 years ago.

He was a target before we appointed RDM.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on June 14, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
I'm just a bit speechless, keep going to post on here but words can't describe how upset I am, feel worse than when we lost to derby at wembley, just in shock
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nocky on June 14, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
Farcial. Comical. Illogical. Bemusing. Scandalous. Unbelievable. I've backed Peace but on the face if it, this looks like yet another shocking decision. Where's the ambition? Where's the forward thinking? We were told of the high calibre of candidates applying for the job yet we end up with Alan Irvine. It just doesn't add up. The way Peace is running this club is no longer fit for purpose. He's running us into the ground.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
Where's the ambition? Where's the forward thinking?


The fact that we have a 26,000 stadium should answer you that question. I'd expect a promoted club like Carlisle to have a ground that size not a club that was a founder member of the league, FA Cup winners five times with 5 million people living around them.

Pathetic, no ambition whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Extremely negative football.

Plenty of hoof ball.

And god help us if we ever take a lead because we will spend the remainder of the game trying to defend it.

At SWFC he set his team up to defend a for the remainder of the game when they were losing 1-0.

Shine on, where are we going to get these 'defenders' from??!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 14, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
I really hope chris lep and steve madely report the true feeling of the fans.
Their is widespread meltdown.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:01:10 PM
Yet again my Saturday evening is ruined by West Brom, even when we are not playing FFS.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 14, 2014, 07:05:06 PM
5 weeks of 'due diligence' and they appoint someone who has no experience at this level, and he last senior job was 3 years ago with a team 2 divisions lower.  This is not the best person available for the job.  He might be the cheapest person available for the job.

Nothing against Alan Irvine.  Its not his fault he's been appointed, but he is under real pressure from day zero.  I don't think he has any idea of what he's walked into.

It is just an incredible decision.

I hope Peace has a buyer lined up right now.  By September his £80m asset will be floundering, the 'customers' will be absent or revolting and it won't be an attractive purchase. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I have just sent an email addressed to Peace, I done expect an answer for him but I have said that now he has killed all the love I have had for the club that I have supported for 45 years.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
Some tweets I've seen from Sheff Wed fans:

"Alan Irvine was responsible for the worst football at #swfc in the past 20 years"

"Alan Irvine is shocking and VERY defensive minded #swfc"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbhc7 on June 14, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
What I can't believe is that its reported he 'impressed in onterviews'. Do people get a job purely on an interview? Do employers not look at previous experience and track record?

Should Premiership clubs be employing off blagged interviews?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: macc_baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:07:34 PM
I feel sorry for Irvine, and I'll back him as i would with any other manager, but.

What are the board playing at? The most uninspired insipid appointment possible. He won't attract players, he won't inspire fans and I doubt he'll get us playing good enough football to stay up.

I genuinely feel vaguely sick at the prospect of this. We need to rebuild a team, and now I'm very much getting behind the camp of people who think we need to rebuild the ownership too. I've backed Peace a lot, but this is really too much. A 1 year rolling contract too? Just demonstrates an utter lack of faith from the board in his capabilities to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
If they couldn't get a bigger name why the hell didn't they go for McInnes ? , I always praised JP but i suspect he is winding the club down now. That said got to give the Irvine a fair chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:08:06 PM
I'm a member on a Sheffield Wednesday forum and asked them about Alan Irvine.

Here are their comments - they don't make for comfortable reading.

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic/213791-alan-irvine/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
My son came out to tell me we had appointed Irvine... I thought he was joking.  I still hope that there is some wire loose, or someone has hacked the Albion's internet for a laugh.  However, I know they have not. I am truly stunned.  There is no rationale, or logic to what has been done here.  Surely this cannot be in Peace's interests either?  The club is his biggest asset and running the club into the ground cannot be in his best interest.  I feel depressed and frankly a bit sick.

However, I would also counsel that we need to avoid the doom loop.  At least to start with, lets get behind the team, though agree it is now going to be mighty difficult now to attract good players in and to retain our best. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:08:47 PM
What I can't believe is that its reported he 'impressed in interviews'.
He probably impressed them by saying - "I'd like to bring in Rob Kelly as my chosen coach and he's great mates with Keith Downing, you know...."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 07:09:25 PM
My summer is ruined with this scandalous appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 07:09:53 PM
I'm a member on a Sheffield Wednesday forum and asked them about Alan Irvine.

Here are their comments - they don't make for comfortable reading.

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic/213791-alan-irvine/

Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
This is a complete and utter disgrace and a right kick in the bawlox for baggies fans, Peace you are a complete and utter twonk.

Sherwood I forgive you.

You are also guttless, releasing this just before the England game to try and deflect any critism you ......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:11:21 PM
My summer is ruined with this scandalous appointment.


Same, any hope or optimism gone with this. Even put a downer on the World Cup for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
I have just sent an email addressed to Peace, I done expect an answer for him but I have said that now he has killed all the love I have had for the club that I have supported for 45 years.

What's his email address?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on June 14, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
As I commented earlier I thought that Irvine and that Jesus bloke may have been interviewed by the way they suddenly rose to the top of the  betting. It is still a surprise though. Seem to remember he started out OK at Preston but Sheff Wed was a disaster.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering

Ah. You have to be a member to access. I'll post the worst of the comments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
I am appalled - supporting Albion for 45 years this has to rank as the most underwhelming appointment ever. Peace has taken the cheap option yet again. I seriously thought that he had taken on board what had gone wrong last season. It seems to me he has used Mel or SC's salary to get Burton and Irvine in with some left over.
I feel very very flat!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:14:58 PM
Ah. You have to be a member to access. I'll post the worst of the comments.
You should post the best of the comments and, if they're bad, we'll definitely know that we're screwed!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 14, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Albion delighted to announce Alan Irvine will be appointed as their new Head Coach. He has agreed a 12-month rolling contract #wba 1/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  3m

Irvine will bring Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as GK Coach 3/3
I want a refund - I am sitting here in shock and actually feel sick
Halesowen town for me
Unreal - ruined my night
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 07:15:14 PM
Some tweets I've seen from Sheff Wed fans:

""Alan Irvine is shocking and VERY defensive minded #swfc"

That may have been a plus if we had some defenders. All we have left are a couple of carthorses and some old nags. defend with that Mr Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
Lineker just asked Neil Lennon if he'd expressed an interest in the job.....Lennon couldn't wait to say NOOO! I wonder why?  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

The worst Sheffield Wednesday fans have seen apparently...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
On the Albion press release it says about it coming down to two oustanding candidates BUT we appointed Irvine... Is that saying he was one of those two or was someone else we decided on as the cheap 12 month option.

I've always learnt to ignore everything said before the BUT in a sentence.

Still fuming... :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
The only positive I can see, is that my contact, and me by proxy, comes out with some credibility with the little bit of info he gave me and I passed on. Definitely a left field appointment.

The local papers need to pull their fingers out and report the fans reaction to this. Peace won't read letters, Garlick couldn't care less. They've saved money so that's all that matters.

Brum Mail and E&S have an open goal here - 'Fan's fury at Irvine appointment' - 'Fans threaten season ticket refunds' I could go on and on ...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 14, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
I think we have to make sure we have some calm here, i am as disappointed as anybody with Irvine but now he is here, surely lets give him a chance.

Those that are that drunk off and want a refund on their season tickets then fair play to them, thats their choice but all the talk of protests, banners, etc before we have even kicked a ball  seems a bit odd.

Why not give Irvine a chance, it dont seem like it now but he could turn out to be an inspired appointment (i dont actually think he will but prepared to give him the chance) We could by having a great season by Xmas and we are all delighted.

However if come xmas we are a shambles, then i think that would be the time to let JP know the thoughts as if we rubbish, then thats a few decisions he would of got wrong on the bounce, some of which were very unusual (this included if it dont worl) and that couldnt carry on.

Basically i hope we give Irvine a chance and see what happens, if it goes good then we are all happy, if it dont then JP knows whats coming.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
Well anyway, welcome Alan, and good luck mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
Can someone please answer this question I am completely serious:

Is it possible to cancel a season ticket?

I feel robbed tbh

CL replied to someone who asked.

Chris Lepkowski @chrislepkowski  ·  22m
@RossMaddock I would consult @fabwba. Think you can - he did
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 14, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
Releasing this abysmal news on the day England start their world cup campaign is a definite attempt to bury bad news. It's not going to work though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:17:57 PM
Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering
Probably as flattering as Bristol City Fans would be to Mcinnes, OR Liverpool fans were to Hodgson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jazzswinger on June 14, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
how about a public blatant boycott of new sponsors products when they are announced and also the new strip, it's the only message our jezza will listen to
....pretty annoyed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 14, 2014, 07:19:42 PM
Jp has obviously been told by Mel and Sherwood (and probably other during 'due diligence') exactly how much it'll cost to rebuild the squad properly and opted for a bloke that will bring through academy players that don't need buying.
The 12 month contract smacks of no belief in their own appointment, the behavioural aspect of the squad still wont change - there's reference to the squad still yearning for Roy, in my eyes there's only 2 people who could be reinforcing that and its DK & KD. This appointment should have been a clean break including them rather than appointing someone to try an fit into something that we need to move on from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
I have always defended Peace, I really can't on this one, absolutely shocking appointment ..
There have been a few on here giving stick to those who said they would not renew depending on the manager,I thought that argument was strange but that was because I could really not see such a ludicrous appointment.

I'm gutted, truly gutted and even if we sign Cavani and Ronaldo I'd still assume relegation.

JRP tonight you've really really put a wall up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:21:25 PM
Even Adrian Durham is underwhelmed  and he hates us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:23:25 PM
I cannot think of any appointment greeted as negatively as this.....To put it mildly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
I cannot think of any appointment greeted as negatively as this.....To put it mildly.


Nor me. I remember Gould and Saunders being appointed but this is something else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:25:12 PM
How did this guy even get an interview?

I run my own business and interview people for jobs a few times a year.

I have a process of sifting out people who do not fit the minimum criteria at application stage i.e. If they do not have the relevant quals or experience I do not interview them.

I posted on here a few weeks back to say that our minimum initial requirement for the job is 100 games plus as the boss of a Prem club.

I am sickened.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
Comments on a Sheffield Wednesday forum:

SiJ - "The worst manager I think I've ever seen. Clueless doesn't even cover it."

Bruce Lee - "Worst Wednesday manager in my lifetime And we've had some serious bobbins"

AndoverOwl - "Liam, you have my deepest sympathy. Although he's got loads of badges"

HuddersOwl - "Have you got any coaching badges??? If not then your not allowed to pass comment "

Eccleshall Owl - "The worst 'manager' I've ever seen at SWFC "

Grandad - "Theworst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. The worst football. The only time I've ever fallen asleep at Hillsborough was watching his football and it happened 3 times.

SiJ - "The man was scared to take on the likes of Bournemouth in League One, so flip knows what sort of approach he'll adopt for when Chelsea, City come to town. "

Random Task - "He made the pitch as wide as legally possible then proceeded to play 4 central midfielders at home with no wingers. "

Watford Owl - "You can look forward to the biggest bypass of a personality that will make you scream for Dave Jones to come and cheer you up afterwards."

Reading Owl - "TBF I never really disliked the bloke. He was just absolutely rubbish."

Mcmigo - " by far the worst manager we've ever had, it is astonishing he has landed a gig in the Premiership."

Taxi Mark - What have WBA done here, he is one of the worst managers I've seen at Hillsboro' ever!"

Alan Harper - I can't even decide what the low point of the Irvine era was. Playing for a point at Cardiff when only a win would have made any difference? Going down with a whimper against Palace, bringing on a midfelder for a striker just after we'd equalised in a win or bust game? Losing 5-1 at Exeter? Failing to win at home against 9 man Yeovil? Losing 4-0 at Leyton Orient with our own fans chanting (hopefully) "you're getting sacked in the morning"?

Miffed - would be laughing if it were any other club, but I feel for the West Brom fans

SWFC_Liam - "Oh my word that's a shocking appointment, he was awful for us. Took us down into League One, and by February had us sitting in the bottom half looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation places. He was appointed at a tough time but he didn't help himself. Sets up very negatively, usually a rigid 4-4-2 with very little fluidity. The best bit about it was he made the pitch at Hillsborough absolutely huge but refused to play with wingers, he used 4 central midfield players all the time"

Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lionkingbuff on June 14, 2014, 07:26:41 PM
Living in Singapore - just got back home 2.20 am to get a few hours sleep before getting up again to see the England game at 6 am - just thought I would see if there was any progress on Sherwood becoming our manager and I am in SHOCK at this appointment - can't believe it  - can't think of a WORSE appointment out of the list of potential managers - absolutely shocking move !!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
Yes i believe in find the person and he will find the job. Irvine to me is a no hoper.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on June 14, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
@ Jack Russell

I bet Steve Clarke is looking pretty good now  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on June 14, 2014, 07:29:35 PM
Just saw the announcement at the end of the Greece v Colombia gane, I nearly choked in my tea!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on June 14, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
I'm just flabbergasted. I thought Sherwood was a cheap uninspiring option but Irvine takes it to another level. Last season was the worst since Gould but next season could eclipse it. What are they doing. Are they hell bent on making us a 'mid table championship club'?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 14, 2014, 07:33:33 PM
Sherwood and Peace would have been an absolute train wreck - the dramas of this season would have been amplified a thousand times when those two clashed. Irvine is hardly inspiring but I'll judge him when we see his team. If we are in the same position at the end of the season as at the end of uninspiring Steve Clarke's season then we'll all forget this.

Must say, sacking Mel for Irvine is absolutely insane.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:33:51 PM
To add to my previous post - you might see a lot of snide comments about coaching badges.

Well during his time at Sheffield Wednesday, when he was criticised by people his response would be "where's your coaching badges?"

Just the sort of attitude we want.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
What's his email address?
You have you send it to enquiries@wbafc.co.uk but don't expect any answer from Peace you will just get the standard email response that we have passed your email on to the appropriate department (the bin) I think if enough supporters send emails he will have to take notice of how we feel about this ridiculous appointment, but would he care? probably not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on June 14, 2014, 07:34:56 PM
To be fair Sherwood was always going to divide us - I couldn't decide if it was a potentially great or awful appointment.

At least this decision has united us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 14, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
I'm  lost for words really.  I don't think anyways was expecting this.. I feel sorry for the guy as my word he is going to suffer from the stands if we dont get off to a good start. How can Steve C not be good enough when he has learned from the best in the game and yet this guy is? It just doesn't make sense.
The only positive is he has worked with some great talent in the Everton academy,  I'm just hoping he brings some of Evetons positive play and not the rubbish from is Sheffield days.

The only way peace can now redeem himself is by signing some really decent players to lift the team and fans. I cant see it but we can live in hope..  atleast until the window closes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
He worked with Mad Billy Davies at Nottingham Forest too.

He was a target before we appointed RDM.

Wasn't that Dave Kelly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
Just been on the club website:
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)

I am so gutted.  I really feel cheated after purchasing a season ticket.  Is that the best we can do. I am almost speechless. I wont be putting anymore money into the club. Nothing not a coffee at half time nothing. I understand that the stile cards are non refundable. I am so angry and upset I can't think straight. I don't know what to say or do. Its even spoilt tonights England game. I want to hear Peace's justification for this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 07:39:11 PM
Just been on the club website:
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)

I am so gutted.  I really feel cheated after purchasing a season ticket.  Is that the best we can do. I am almost speechless. I wont be putting anymore money into the club. Nothing not a coffee at half time nothing. I understand that the stile cards are non refundable. I am so angry and upset I can't think straight. I don't know what to say or do. Its even spoilt tonights England game. I want to hear Peace's justification for this appointment.


Why? It'll only be a load of rubbish it won't solve anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PNEfan on June 14, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
PNE fan here, registered in total peace to give you a PNE perspective on Irvine.

Some of you will remember us as a club that was always up there, near the top of the championship, pushing for play offs but never quite making it. All that changed with Irvines appointment. He single handedly destroyed our club. turned us from a team that were always exciting to watch to one that was as dull as dishwater.

Anyway, here we are, still in div 1, it started with him, and weve never recovered.  The most dreadful boring managerial appointment PNE have ever made.

I wish you luck, youre seriously going to need it.

Anyway take a look at what PNE fans are saying on here:   http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?87616-Alan-Irvine-gets-West-Brom-job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
You have you send it to enquiries@wbafc.co.uk but don't expect any answer from Peace you will just get the standard email response that we have passed your email on to the appropriate department (the bin) I think if enough supporters send emails he will have to take notice of how we feel about this ridiculous appointment, but would he care? probably not.

E-mail sent!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
Wasn't that Dave Kelly

I think they were both there.

It says in here that Rob Kelly would stay on as assistant manager - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21343978
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 14, 2014, 07:46:01 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:49:32 PM
We'll anyway, welcome Alan, and good luck mate.

No sorry can't give him my backing or blessing, we have done this far too many times with JP's moronic appointments, it's about time we started getting back at JP and his extremely bad appointments.

Irvine is JP's man, not ours, so whilst I feel sorry for you Alan, JP must get some major stick over this appointment, as all PNE and SW fans say, he ruined theior clubs, he mus NOT be allowed to ruin ours.

JP and AI out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.
I want whatever happy pills your on!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:51:11 PM
PNE fan here, registered in total peace to give you a PNE perspective on Irvine.

Some of you will remember us as a club that was always up there, near the top of the championship, pushing for play offs but never quite making it. All that changed with Irvines appointment. He single handedly destroyed our club. turned us from a team that were always exciting to watch to one that was as dull as dishwater.

Anyway, here we are, still in div 1, it started with him, and weve never recovered.  The most dreadful boring managerial appointment PNE have ever made.

I wish you luck, youre seriously going to need it.

Anyway take a look at what PNE fans are saying on here:   http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?87616-Alan-Irvine-gets-West-Brom-job.

Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Prokhorych on June 14, 2014, 07:51:39 PM
I think we'll know how this appointment is likely to go before the start of the season. Will players like Mulumbu, Foster and Olsen still be at the club; and what sort of new players will have arrived?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.

Sorry but he picked up the Preston job when they were regularly competing, and completely destroyed them. And despite the 12 month contract who do you think was cheaper, Irvine or Sherwood? Its a cost saving, controlling and utterly stupid appointment. I've always stood up for Peace but this is an utterly unbelievable decision. Albion have actually made me feel angry today - just an incredible appointment.

Not having a go at you mate, just the situation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on June 14, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
We let go of Pepe Mel for this seriously ?
Wow I am in shock
Don't know what to say or do
This season is going to be awful
We're going to do a wolves
I feel like jumping off a bridge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Shocked . Irvine .. really ?....pooh...I thought of John Irvine first of all..the ITV News reporter. In fact i would rather have the latter...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony on June 14, 2014, 07:53:32 PM
The only explanation I have been able to come up with for this farce is that JP wanted to earn some money and so made the most insane appointment which had the best odds at the bookies. Other than that, for the first time in my life I feel like turning away from the club I love. There's enough problems in everyday life without having this tosh to deal with. Thank you JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
I think we'll know how this appointment is likely to go before the start of the season. Will players like Mulumbu, Foster and Olsen still be at the club; and what sort of new players will have arrived?

Exactly - not only will we struggle to sign players, but we'll also struggle to keep them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
No sorry can't give him my backing or blessing, we have done this far too many times with JP's moronic appointments, it's about time we started getting back at JP and his extremely bad appointments.

Irvine is JP's man, not ours, so whilst I feel sorry for you Alan, JP must get some major stick over this appointment, as all PNE and SW fans say, he ruined theior clubs, he mus NOT be allowed to ruin ours.

JP and AI out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me neither how how on earth do we expect to get any players of any substance with an appointment like this apart from the odd Everton reserve - quite simply unacceptable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on June 14, 2014, 07:54:27 PM
Woah! Never saw that coming!!

Erm............I dont know what too say

He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

Totally and utterly underwhelmed by this appointment...I will freeze the humble pie...but I doubt that I will be eating it any time soon  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 07:55:09 PM
Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
He just did mate! LOL
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 07:55:35 PM
I seriously feel like killing myself tonight. Should I wait until after the England match?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 14, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
shocked, disappointed, confused.
I have always supported JP, but that changed today. He has blatently lied to us.

I just cannot understand this appointment.

14 June 2014, the day i first EVER questioned my support of WBAFC.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.

Your looking at things from the clubs point of view rather than the reality.

Getting behind the bloke would be the easy option.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PNEfan on June 14, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
One of the nicest guys youll ever meet,
 gets very close to the players.

The one positive, for WBA, s the way you run things, as long as "Managerial" decisions are taken away from him it could work.  By reputation one of the best coaches in the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Prokhorych on June 14, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
I seriously feel like killing myself tonight. Should I wait until after the England match?
Maybe watching England in a tough world cup match isn't what we all need now!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 07:58:44 PM
Just going to have an awful lot of faith in JP and especially it seems Terry Burton , coaching appears to be his strength so lets see how he gets on with other's doing the transfers .
Pass me some more straws..... :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 07:59:18 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
I'm praying for am act of God to stop this abomination. I'm not even religious.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:00:02 PM
Peace you can expect to have Fosters, Olssons, Mulumbus, Bruints, and Morrisons resignations on your desk fairly soon to go wioth Dawsons as well as 16000 requests for money back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: South West Steve on June 14, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
I'm shocked, appalled and genuinely upset for what was once my great club.

I took a couple of decisions a month or so back, one not to renew my season ticket until I knew who the head coach would be as its a 350 mile round trip and I just don't want to watch negative boring football anymore and drive back down the M5 depressed. I just do not trust the Albion hierarchy any more.

Secondly I decided that until hell freezes over would Mr Peace get another penny of my money in any form nor would I ever ever ever sell him my shares which I still hold, he can go screw.

oh and I'm 100% certain season tickets are NOT refundable.

disgusted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on June 14, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
I remember he had a run in with WBA several years ago
He went on record as saying that we had offered him the managers job and he turned us down when we appointed RDM
We of course said he had never been offered the job
Got quite vocal in the press for a while if me memory serves me correctly
Shocking appointment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 08:01:37 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!

Yes in the championship thats a basic record no disrespect to the championship but even if we were there I'd expect us to get someone with a better record then this guy. You cant blame us for being mad when you look at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:01:54 PM
He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
On official website
Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.
But, following a detailed recruitment process (where the other supposed candidate refused the job because he wanted more money for his assistants) we decided that Alan and the team around him (are the cheapest options and are prepared to work with the two coaches who have jobs for life at the club) are the best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League.
What rubbish not only this pathetic appointment they then have the arrogance to insult our intelligence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Canmore Baggie on June 14, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
Shocked . Irvine .. really ?....pooh...I thought of John Irvine first of all..the ITV News reporter. In fact i would rather have the latter...

I had figured Andy Irvine, the former scottish rugby player.
Or Eddie Irvine, the ex-F1 driver.

My reaction would have been the same to either of these!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 08:05:39 PM
I'm starting to wonder was Tim Sherwood ever interviewed?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

Totally and utterly underwhelmed by this appointment...I will freeze the humble pie...but I doubt that I will be eating it any time soon  ::)
I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:06:19 PM
Anyone that actually knows me knows that I am usually a glass half full kind of guy. 

Usually i would argue how JP has been good for us, and has done a lot of good for the club etc., etc.

Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.  Outstanding???  Really??? 

I cannot believe this appointment!  If ever there was a word underunderwhelmed then I would use it now!!  I would really like to see every name that was interviewed for the position!  It looks like to save a few sheckles, he has appointed Alan Irvine who has done nothing!  (And lets be honest, it's not his fault that we are all angry, he applied for a job and got it.  He must think that JP is a right numpty himself!  Lets be honest, I would if I had applied for it and got it with that experience) 

After last season we need to be forward looking for the new season.  I can't believe it....I really can't!  I would usually say, lets see how he does before we make up our minds!  But I am furious!  5 weeks, we have had to wait or this appointment!  An absolute disgrace!  An absolute disgrace!

What I can guarantee you is that this season I am not going to a single game, and I am not going to spend one single penny at the club shops! 

I hope that people who are at the games get behind AI......I really do! 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!

I'll give him a chance and will back him from the start of his reign. Even when it goes tits up he won't be the first in the line for my abuse, that will be Peace for his poor appointment.

His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly but then you look at the fact we are a Premier League club with a few years of successive seasons in the top league behind us and need an experienced hand at this or equivalent level to take us on and his record comes from the Championship and League One with one of those seasons a relegation one. We were a club in turmoil last season with players ruling the roost and this appointment to me is unlikely to end that turmoil, its making the division between clubs and customers (thats all we are nowadays) even wider than it was before at a time when its screaming for that gap to be closed, not to mention the empty words we've had from Peace lately about learning from mistakes of last season.

I would love to be sitting here in 12 months time and eating my words on this appointment but I feel i'm more likely to be sitting here with anticipation at which grounds in the Championship I can look forward to visiting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:09:51 PM
I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Seriously??? I'd take Lambert in a heartbeat over the Division 3 dross we have just appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
Seriously??? I'd take Lambert in a heartbeat over the Division 3 dross we have just appointed.
Yes serious and I think most Vile fans would agree but at the moment Pearson, Pullis, Poyet, Daish look world beaters!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
Well we seem to have a lot of "coaches" but who will be driving the feckin BUS  !?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 14, 2014, 08:15:06 PM
I predict the nice Mr Irvine is sacked in December
We start looking for the best english speaking candidate and appoint another nice but hapless geezer just as the transfer window closes,
Hapless geezer will either scrape through in 17th position and Keith Downing and Terry Burton will take the credit or more likely we will be relegated, either way Mr hapless is sacked and we start the process again.

Lessons learnt my backside!!!

I am not travelling from Norfolk to watch this farce anymore.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 14, 2014, 08:16:08 PM
I've just been having a look in the Everton forums and it's a bit mixed as they can understand how underwhelmed we all feel.  But to take a positive there has been quite a few comments about how he likes to play football on the ground and that our players would enjoy his brand..  Bit of a Roy esque footballing brain who knows the game.

Ok it's still a horrid appointment as we all needed a lift but  thought I would try and bring a little light in the darkness.. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 08:16:35 PM
Why should we back him? as an earlier poster stated he was pretty vocal when at the last minute  we chose RDM history would suggest we got that right as would Sheffield and Preston supporters, he will undoubtedly be the focal point for angst aimed at JP if he had any sense he would have a long think tonight and do an about turn.  Just a thought but the first major decision Burton has been involved in Mmmmmmmm doesnt bode well >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on June 14, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
This appointment is a ******* disgrace. I am done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 14, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Somebody slap me and tell me this is a bad dream.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 08:18:20 PM
After the communication problems with Mel, JP was true to his word in appointing an English speaker. Mind you, coming from Glasgow, it will be a close run thing!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on June 14, 2014, 08:20:43 PM
Might as well keep the Next Manager thread alive - it will be "in play" again by the end of October.

An absolute joke of an appointment.

I was going to have a large bet on us going down next season but the odds are already far too low to be attractive.  The bookies have already worked it out.

The backlash to this appointment is going to really backfire on Peace.

Well - his wish will come true.  Mid-table Championship side here we come.

Absolutely no ambition.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TaxiMark on June 14, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Hi Albion fans, Wednesday fan here.

I'll start by saying that we are just as stunned and shocked as you are by appointing Alan Irvine as manager, where or how did he manage to pull that one off?

Irvine was the most negative manager I've seen in recent years at Hillsborough and believe me, we've had some terrible managers in the last 20 odd years, one of the things that he irritatingly kept doing was praising the visiting team before the game, he would say stuff like you have to watch out for their strikers (praise), pace (praise), hight (praise) etc.... he'd go on to say how we'd deal with their threat but not saying anything about how his own side would attack or be positive (maybe he didn't even know how too?)

He was absolutely clueless, and if he received criticism he turn it back to his critics by asking where their coaching badges were etc.

I hope it's a short lived affair for you guys because you are decent.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
Probably as flattering as Bristol City Fans would be to Mcinnes, OR Liverpool fans were to Hodgson.

Good points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: yiannos on June 14, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
I am not travelling from Cyprus to watch Albion anymore. JESUS...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
On official website
Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.
But, following a detailed recruitment process (where the other supposed candidate refused the job because he wanted more money for his assistants) we decided that Alan and the team around him (are the cheapest options and are prepared to work with the two coaches who have jobs for life at the club) are the best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League.
What rubbish not only this pathetic appointment they then have the arrogance to insult our intelligence.
I really thought (misguidedly) that Burton would add to the process - TBH i would rather have him as coach now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on June 14, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
i dont think we will have problems in attracting new players as there are managers such as monk for swansea
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:27:38 PM
Good points.
Why i'd rather have had McCinnes than this no hoper!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:27:47 PM
i dont think we will have problems in attracting new players as there are managers such as monk for swansea
I'd rather have a Shaolin Monk as our manager than Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on June 14, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
Email just sent to Peace to vent my anger.

FACT I will not return my season ticket
FACT I will support MY team
FACT. No one will be singing Alan Irvine's barmy army
FACT  Jeremy Peace won't read the emails, Won't care about supporters feelings, thoughts, comments. 16,000 refunds so what a drop in the ocean to the money he has taken over the last 10 years
FACT I am so fking drunk off it is untrue

He will be gone by Xmas..we will be relegated...we would have failed to attract any decent players..our football will be awful..please wake me from this nightmare...I haven't felt this bad since Buckley / Little / Smith / Gould
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: yiannos on June 14, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
i'd rather have had Kaiafas from cyprus than this no hoper!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 08:31:09 PM

His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 14, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lib on June 14, 2014, 08:33:17 PM
Smells like relegation. Won't attract any decent players.

However, I'd expect the same (relegation) with Sherwood as well (sacked by Chrtistmas).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andzy on June 14, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
First time today I've logged in and to find that Alan Irvine has been appointed head coach stunned me I'm actually ready to cry atm.
What a shocking appointment 4 weeks for this are they ******* serious.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on June 14, 2014, 08:34:38 PM
His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

You would be able to read them quick because non of the stats are from the Premier League
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:34:56 PM

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.

Absolutely right. Emotions rule right now, but hopefully we'll all back him come August.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
 I really didn't expect any think less from our muppet of a chairman we are an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 14, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
Really shocked by this but their is nothing we can do, Irvine is our new gaffer and that is that. His 2 spells as manager were bad but maybe with better players it might work.Maybe in a years time we will look like idiots , I know wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.
In the Hodgson mould oh please. Roy had managed at international level and all over Europe this bloke wasnt good enough for us 5 years ago  and we are supposed to have improved and be a more attractive proposition now!!
p.s Koeman speaks English!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
If you speed read Irvins stats whilst p1ssed then they are not too bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mr multivac on June 14, 2014, 08:37:46 PM
Absolutely gutted ,renewed three season tickets if I'd seen this coming I would not of bothered ,god knows how I'm going to drag myself out the wagon Hope Powell would of got more positive response  unlike Clarke he hasn't even got a decent team to mess up ,he will be gone by October and Keith will be in charge and jps master plan is completed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
Smells like relegation. Won't attract any decent players.

However, I'd expect the same (relegation) with Sherwood as well (sacked by Chrtistmas).
I think Sherwood would have commanded more respect and brought much needed player discipline which lacked mainly due to Downing I suspect. Sherwood also stood a better chance of getting better players in. You can imagine the the calls:-
AI - Hi Alan Irvine here
Potential player - who?!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 08:39:25 PM
Got to give him a chance , difference is with us he will be head coach Not  a manager , it would appear Burton will have much more of an active role than Garlick did so i hope that will help.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 14, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D

My league stats as manager last season:

Played 20
Won 18
Drew 1
lost 1
Scored 118
Conceded 19

Perhaps I should have applied for the job at the Albion.

Fairly certain I would be cheaper than Irvine, and I'd even go so far as to say fans would have been happier with the appointment than we are tonight.

Not happy!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
Sherwood would have been a far better appointment than Irvine, no contest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

You would be able to read them quick because non of the stats are from the Premier League

Neither were the players he had at his disposal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment. Guess they may know more than a lot of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
Hes not even a well known Alan in the football world.

Alan Shearer
Alan Hansen
Alan Smith
Alan Pardew
Alan Partridge  :)
Alan Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
What's done is done. I hope he does well for his sake but most obviously for ours and the club's.

JP is guilty of thinking with his wallet rather than his brain. 

(Then Chairman) Sid Lucas back in 86 telling Ron Saunders to trim the wage bill comes to mind. Out went decent players, in came the cheap replacements, and we all know how that ended.

Peace has gone for the cheap option because he feels that's the wisest course of action, but the irony he probably can't see is that it's ended up in him making a massive financial gamble, because there's nothing in this appointment that suggests to me we'll be guaranteed safe next season.

But there you go.

Come on you Baggie Boys.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.

While I like reading your posts as they are always detailed and concise, I strongly disagree with there being no point in getting behind "Him" and the team. Irvine has done nothing to justify his job with WBA and if we keep accepting the ***t that is drip fed to us, then we'll keep getting bent over and shafted. Regardless of who we sign, in the summer, we have appointed a manager who has failed in lower leagues than where we ply our trade. This is the final straw for me, we need Peace out ASAP. It is going to be mission impossible, but while he is running this club he will only ever take us one way from now, with his attitude and "beliefs"...... DOWN.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.
Thanks for collating those, Liam. We were hoping someone would be brought in who would unite the fans, but not in this way....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:45:35 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment.


Oh good. We can all sleep easy now.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Whilst I'm not against the idea of appointing someone who has a coaching background, far more is needed to be in charge of a Premier League club. Managing egos, having the respect of players, making tactical decisions during games, attracting quality players to the club, keeping quality players at the club.

Maybe not dissimilar to Keith Burkinshaw, who had a coaching background. Unfortunately,  that wasn't enough.
The other thing is that, if he was such a great coach, why did Moyes not take him to Old Trafford?

He's going to have to hit the ground running, and that's the understatement. Unfair maybe, but nobody'd forced him to take the job. He probably thinks he has nothing to lose, as he hasn't got a reputation, except in the lower divisions. He probably thinks at the worst, after he's been sacked, he'll find it easier to get a job later with West Brom on his CV.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Of course it may all work out beautifully. There are no guarantees for the likes of us, no Guardiolas or Van Gaals, no Mourinhos, we shop in a different marketplace.

Perhaps the combination of a decent coach in Irvine, and knowledge of available talent in Burton and our scouts will be beneficial.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:49:33 PM
Welcome PNEfan - thanks for taking the trouble to post here.

One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, gets very close to the players.
Trying that worked out well for Pepe Mel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:50:38 PM

Oh good. We can all sleep easy now.  ::)

I can't pretend to know you, but in football matters I might be tempted take the opinion of two international players, one of whom has coached in the Premier League, over yours.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
I can't pretend to know you, but in football matters I might be tempted take the opinion of two international players, one of whom has coached in the Premier League, over yours.


Did you take the opinion of all those people "in the game" that said David Moyes was the right man for Manchester United?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:53:08 PM
oh and I'm 100% certain season tickets are NOT refundable.
Some got refunds after Pepe Mel was sacked. If they don't refund those who request it after them appointing Irvine, I hope someone tests the water in court, if necessary, on the grounds of the Chairman's "lessons learned" propaganda being misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:54:05 PM

Did you take the opinion of all those people "in the game" that said David Moyes was the right man for Manchester United?

Couldn't care less about them. Wouldn't even know who backed him or otherwise.

I'm only interested in Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jim68 on June 14, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
Why i'd rather have had McCinnes than this no hoper!
i said all along we have to be realistic mcciness should have been the man i know its only scottish football but he;s been quite a sucess overall /but the thing for me is a mass clearout of players is needed too many have been at the club too long and are in the comfort zone hence like last season only playing for 45 mins whichever half that was  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:56:02 PM
I would really like to see every name that was interviewed for the position!
Chris Lepkowski tweeted earlier: "Sherwood, McDermott, Hughton, Renard, Zola were among the others spoken to formally or sounded out during recent weeks....some of those talks (certainly with McDermott and Hughton) were merely part of due diligence and never contenders".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
Couldn't care less about them. Wouldn't even know who backed him or otherwise.

I'm only interested in Albion.


Nevertheless the principal is the same is it not?

For what it's worth I don't care about them either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:59:45 PM
Irvine was the most negative manager I've seen in recent years at Hillsborough and believe me, we've had some terrible managers in the last 20 odd years, one of the things that he irritatingly kept doing was praising the visiting team before the game, he would say stuff like you have to watch out for their strikers (praise), pace (praise), hight (praise) etc.... he'd go on to say how we'd deal with their threat but not saying anything about how his own side would attack or be positive (maybe he didn't even know how too?)

He was absolutely clueless, and if he received criticism he turn it back to his critics by asking where their coaching badges were etc.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and share some thoughts with us. The fans of both Sheff Wed and Preston deserve better than they've got currently, so I hope things pick up for you soon.

Does what I've highlighted in bold above make anyone think of Alan Buckley?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment. Guess they may know more than a lot of us.

Cecil Nyoni, another player to have worked with Alan Irvine called the appointment 'interesting' with some eyes emotions.

I asked Nyoni what he thought of Irvine expecting it to be bad as Nyoni appears to be quite a character and he described him as the best manager he's ever had.

Cecil Nyoni ‏@CecilNyoni26 3m

“@LiamWBAFC: @CecilNyoni26 @SkySportsNews What's he like Cecil?” Best manager iv had tbh!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_liam on June 14, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
We need a huge player over haul this summer, what players is he going to inspire to sign for us and play for him? I can't see us signing anyone better than we already have at the club. The appointment stinks of a cheap yes man. The one year rolling contract proves all the faith in him. I see him sacked by November and us relegated by march!
Shocking choice! I can't believe he is better suited to the job than Pepe Mel? Every football fan on the outside is laughing at us! I wonder how many will enquire about a season ticket refund now  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
Had a few hours to digest this and my thoughts are:

Alan fecking Irvine!!!!! WTF!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 09:01:57 PM
They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 09:02:02 PM
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and share some thoughts with us. The fans of both Sheff Wed and Preston deserve better than they've got currently, so I hope things pick up for you soon.

Does what I've highlighted in bold above make anyone think of Alan Buckley?


Yeah, arrogance. He can have every coaching badge in the world it doesn't mean he's any good. It's a bit like exams they mean you have a decent memory, not that you can do a job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albionlincs on June 14, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
Firstly, the idea of a head coach being appointed is strange. Someone has to be responsible for player discipline and this is a managers job so hopefully someone at the club is in place to do that.

my main worry is attracting players. We need at least 12 players for the coming season and I had hoped that a high (ish) profile would naturally attract some players but now fear that this won't happen. Whatever people say managers attract players and he won't even have a network of top class players to call on.

a desperate time for the football club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?
What have we done?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
I think that as an Albion supporter I have been so disappointed and dissalutioned as much as I am tonight. I just cannot believe that after last seasons mistakes, Peace and his board have made this appointment.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 09:15:36 PM
Sweet, sweet irony - Joel Campbell, a player Pepe Mel would have liked to bring in just scores a cracking equaliser for Costa Rica, you can't make this up :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 09:15:52 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
I think that as an Albion supporter I have been so disappointed and dissalutioned as much as I am tonight. I just cannot believe that after last seasons mistakes, Peace and his board have made this appointment.
Never been so even
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.
No chance now i am afraid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Topman on June 14, 2014, 09:18:11 PM
Someone's already left a banner up the ground. First of many?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 14, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my pooh job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie steve on June 14, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
Someone tell me this is a wind up......
Would any of the other 19 premier league clubs even consider letting this doughnut
through the doors....
We have a depleted squad that needs strengthening with quality, how many potential
signings will Irvine ne able to attract....

Peace out , what a shambles again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
You are an "Icon" on here with your travelling. Sad to read that mate but  understandable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?

Are my thoughts obvious? You must be psychic. I just said his stats are not so bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 09:26:04 PM
Someone's already left a banner up the ground. First of many?

Did you manage to read what it said?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Are my thoughts obvious? You must be psychic. I just said his stats are not so bad.
If you speed read Irvins stats whilst p1ssed then they are not too bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
I always defended Peace, I now can't , really hope you enjoy the time with your family, life is to short for this rubbish!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.


Mate I feel for you and I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm so sorry for your dad who has to settle for this pooh in his last days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.


Truth is I don't think anyone can.

I don't know you mate, and you can tell me to f&*k off if you like or tell me I'm being trite, but give it a day or two and talk it over with your family. At the very least coming down the Albion means you get to see your Dad and Sister.

All the best.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stratfordbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Absolute shambles! I have been a season ticket holder for 20 years and I have never been more disappointed with a managerial appointment!

Shocking!

I would say I am normally one of the more optimistic Albion fans, but I am absolutely mortified by this!

I am only annoyed with myself for renewing my season ticket as I would have certainly not done so had I known that Alan Irvine would be our manager!

Utter utter disgrace!

By appointing an average league 1 manager we will be a league 1 team within 2 seasons.. WTF
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
Bet Irvine feels like he's won the lottery! Jeremy Peace really can do just what he likes. 16k season ticket renewals in the bag then he does this!!!

Pinstripes next on his agenda.

Mexican waves at the first match of the season anyone?

People moan but few show any dissent against Peace at games unfortunately...................we all tried that in the Year of the Great Surrender under Robson and that's what we got from most in that final West Ham game - A MEXICAN WAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Topman on June 14, 2014, 09:30:32 PM
I think it was peace your having a laugh, Irvine !!! I want my money back. Should we all cover the ground in them for Monday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 14, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
Some got refunds after Pepe Mel was sacked. If they don't refund those who request it after them appointing Irvine, I hope someone tests the water in court, if necessary, on the grounds of the Chairman's "lessons learned" propaganda being misrepresentation.

Wasn't there a lot of talk after RdM that the next coach had to have experience coaching at the top level? And now this? What a joke this appointment is, in particular it is a complete slap in the face of the fans after the firing of Pepe Mel. This appointment isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's scraping the dregs of the barrel.

I agree with those that say that it looks like JP is winding the club down for a fire sale.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
I am in touch and associated with a few ex baggies players, who already get shoddily treated by JP! And they know Irvine and players he has 'coached' and they are all shocked and dismayed at this appointment.

whilst his stats may not read so bad, just bear in mind this was at clubs that should and could have done better, and the feedback from ex players was to avoid any club this guy was at.

If ex players are thinking like that, what will prospective players be thinking, he does have a bad man manager reputation, and comes across as a badge realing, pompous I am better than yow type of bloke.

Thia is just plane stupidity, Peace is out of touch in his London Ivory tower, and now the demonstrations will begin.

And so will the transfer requests, as even the players agents hate this guy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
And how the dingles and b6 scumbags will love this!

I'm clever enough to know its a business , I know it's not "our club" anymore, regardless of views on him,peace has (up to now) done ok by. The club....but my god what a stupid idiotic thing to do ?
I don't care if we get bargain players (in fact I'm quite proud) and I'm ok with new pinstripes but Alan bloody irvine?, is it not like asking stevie wonder to drive you home?

I really ain't happy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:36:16 PM
And how the dingles and b6 scumbags will love this!

I'm clever enough to know its a business , I know it's not "our club" anymore, regardless of views on him,peace has (up to now) done ok by. The club....but my god what a stupid idiotic thing to do ?
I don't care if we get bargain players (in fact I'm quite proud) and I'm ok with new pinstripes but Alan bloody irvine?, is it not like asking stevie wonder to drive you home?

I really ain't happy

I think that I would rather have Stevie Wonder drive me home!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
Why couldn't history have repeated itself !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/preston/8120577.stm
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
Wasn't there a lot of talk after RdM that the next coach had to have experience coaching at the top level? And now this? What a joke this appointment is, in particular it is a complete slap in the face of the fans after the firing of Pepe Mel. This appointment isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's scraping the dregs of the barrel.

I agree with those that say that it looks like JP is winding the club down for a fire sale.

That was my thought.

FWIW the way I see it if there's any strategy behind JP's appointment of AI it's this:

-Get in a coach with experience of youth/ academy players
-He can bring the kids through from the Albion academy
-Build a new team around younger players so you don't have to pay experienced players' transfer fees, wages, agents fees etc
-If you go down that's okay because you can still claim you're building a new team based on youth
-Continue to draw a salary of £1.25 million a year while scouring the world for a buyer for the club.

Who's the new sponsor going to be? Royal Bank of Scotland on this basis.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 09:39:05 PM
3 hours later & I'm still dumbfounded.

I seriously cannot believe what we have done here.

If you asked every Albion fan if they are happy with this appointment I'm pretty sure 99.9% would say "Hell no"

Peace must have knew this reaction would be coming as well, as clever as he is he's dropped a right b**l**K here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
It will unite the players though?

Each and everyone will shout "WHO"
 :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 14, 2014, 09:43:22 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.

There's almost 2000 comments on the WBAOfficial announcement.  All negative, apart from wulfs fans.  The most positive thing said, is that the decision is made and therefore we must back him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:23 PM
It will unite the players though?

Each and everyone will shout "WHO"
 :D

And 'get me outta here' judging by his total lack of man management skills.

He couldn't even get a no 2 post and we appoint him as head coach unbelievable, somebody wake me and tell me I'm dreaming
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:39 PM
I can't even think straight right now!! Honestly what could possibly be going through JP's mind and the mind of the board members when they make a selection like this? After five weeks I'm supposed to believe this is the best we could find? I think not!! It was clear in the end that SC lacked the managerial experience to have any consistent success in this league and as far as I'm concerned AI is a step down from SC! It's as if they are just conceeding to the fact were going down next year! This is such an ultimate low for me because I feel that the club has lost any ambition it had to get things turned around! It's frustrating because we have the ability as a club to sustain our Premier League status! Just had to bring in the right head coach and bring in the players to mold around his philosophy so we could be on the path of establishing ourselves as a solid mid table club again! After last season it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the club was screaming for the need of a stable, strong, experienced head coach and after 5 weeks we get the complete and total opposite. I'm just shocked and embarrassed that the club shows such a lack of ambition. Speechless and completely disappointed!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Kicker is we could have had Zola too  :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:58 PM
first we considered Jones then we appoint Irvine. WTF are the people running the club on? It takes VERY basic football knowledge to look at a managers record and go "no not good enough".

Why has this happened to us? We deserve better than this.

It has already been said but the other 19 PL clubs would not have done this. Why have we? We needed optimism after last season. We needed an inspired appointment. And we've got this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stratfordbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from Terry Burton on Express & Star

“But, following a detailed recruitment process, we decided Alan and the team around him are best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League"

Complete lies, everyone knows we didn't want to pay the wages for Sherwood's back room staff! We are feint treated like fools!

WBA you are a joke...!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:46:00 PM
3 hours later & I'm still dumbfounded.

I seriously cannot believe what we have done here.

If you asked every Albion fan if they are happy with this appointment I'm pretty sure 99.9% would say "Hell no"

Peace must have knew this reaction would be coming as well, as clever as he is he's dropped a right b**l**K here.

Hence, why he's announced the bad news in the middle of the England build up mania...............expect some major Peace spin over next few weeks BUT little positive actions (ie quality signings!). 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: silver surfer on June 14, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Can't defend JP this time.
This is a Ron Saunders esq appointment. Atrocious.
Avoiding relegation from this point onwards will be a major achievement considering we have to attract half a dozen players, and at least one proper goal scorer.
The bloke turned us down five years ago or so he claimed and that alone should have been enough to bin his application.
All the many and varied mistakes of last season and now this.
I admit I scoffed at Jones, Malky and even Mcinnes but now ........
Seething.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from Terry Burton on Express & Star

“But, following a detailed recruitment process, we decided Alan and the team around him are best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League"

Complete lies, everyone knows we didn't want to pay the wages for Sherwood's back room staff! We are feint treated like fools!

WBA you are a joke...!!!

Exactly! How can a man who has never coached in the Premier League be 'best suited' to manage us. ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
If anybody knows him can somebody check on Jack Russell , I'm worried i haven't read "dour Scot " yet  :) :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 14, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Exactly! How can a man who has never coached in the Premier League be 'best suited' to manage us. ???

Head coach us. It seems all appointments in recent years are on their coaching abilities which is backed up by some professionals saying his coaching abilities are good. Not a excited by this but let's see what he does. If he emulates Clarke's final league position who's going to be moaning then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 10:06:31 PM
Next season is going to be one long battle against relegation. I have very little confidence in him being able to attract any quality players. By the time Irvine has to be sacked it will probably be too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
If anybody knows him can somebody check on Jack Russell , I'm worried i haven't read "dour Scot " yet  :) :-[
Genuinely worried he might've topped himself
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 14, 2014, 10:07:06 PM

Wow, I wanted to let the news settle before posting. Really hoped for a decent proven manager instead of a proven coach.

I don't think this signing is a million miles away from Tim Sherwood (who I don't rate as a proven manager), Spurs had a poor season last season only made to look better by Man U's shocking form.

A few positives:
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jwilkes90 on June 14, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Dear Mr Peace,

Having supported the Albion since 1967 when I attended the Hawthorns for the first time, and having brought all of my children up to be West Bromwich Albion supporters (all having season tickets at one stage or another), I regretfully write to ask for a refund on my season tickets for the 2014-2015 season.

Last season was a disaster on a number of levels...poor recruitment, poor managerial selections and some very unattractive football. However in your statement you conceded that mistakes had been made and you would endeavour to put things right! You explained that you would do your upmost to recruit an outstanding head coach, with a pedigree to match. Today we appoint Alan Irvine.

I find this decision inexplicable...he has no proven track record, no Premiership managerial experience and was somebody that we overlooked in the past when we appointed Roberto Di Matteo. You have not kept to your word.

As a result of this, I would like a refund immediately and I will find something better to do with my Saturday afternoons. I'll be happy to discuss my decision personally at anytime.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: poole baggie on June 14, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
WBA weve been add
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 14, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Firstly, the idea of a head coach being appointed is strange. Someone has to be responsible for player discipline and this is a managers job so hopefully someone at the club is in place to do that.

my main worry is attracting players. We need at least 12 players for the coming season and I had hoped that a high (ish) profile would naturally attract some players but now fear that this won't happen. Whatever people say managers attract players and he won't even have a network of top class players to call on.

a desperate time for the football club

Several of those released hardly played last season; Popov, Gera, Allan, Sinclair.
We have 15 senior players and the ideal squad is, we are told, 21 + promising under 21's O'Neil, Roofe, Donervan making the squad up to 25 so we need to sign six players not twelve.  Given what has happened I agree even that may be difficult.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:15:57 PM
Genuinely worried he might've topped himself

He's not been online since 3.05 !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 10:16:58 PM
It'd be interesting to read the thoughts of Firey Moose!! Has he been banned from this forum?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
I must admit that this is a very uninspiring appointment.

But, as the season hasn't actually started yet, shouldn't we give the man a chance?

What exactly were we expecting....., no top manager will work within the boundaries set by Peace so we were always going to be left with someone non-descrip like Irvine.

Sherwood obviously demanded too much for his assistants, however half the people on here we're dreading him coming. He also has very little management experience so what exactly makes him a better bet anyway. Yes, he did ok at spurs for five months, but they were already a decent team.

Let's just see what happens, there are no guarantees with any manager, but we ay done so bad over the years with relatively unknown managers so at least cut him some slack.

As for attracting players, yes a well known manager may attract some, BUT this is little old albion who pay quite low wages,...is having Irvine as coach really going to put players off? I don't think so, it'll be more down to the wages being paid.

But, it's all about opinions, I just think its unfair to judge someone without a ball being kicked in anger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:23:51 PM
When this goes tits up, they need to sack the WHOLE coaching team. I should be excited about the World Cup. I am not. It's just one dire decision after another. Odemwingie....was he ever in the wrong or does this club have a poison running through it?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 10:24:05 PM
He's not been online since 3.05 !


He's probably drowing his sorrows somewhere. Just as long as he's not drowning himself!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
A lot of us will hope that this is a roaring success but it's the logic or lack of in the appointment that is stunning.

Think the club are too obsessed with this 'head coach' tag. Can they not see that for the main man looking after the 1st team, no matter what he's called, man management  and team management is a huge part of the role.

Irvine's record as a No. 1 is not good enough to warrant this appointment. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:25:22 PM

He's probably drowing his sorrows somewhere. Just as long as he's not drowning himself!!!
Might involve white smoke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
It'd be interesting to read the thoughts of Firey Moose!! Has he been banned from this forum?
Hope not! Be like banning the Marx Bros!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 14, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Like many on here I have many doubts about this . What we hope for now is signings with for me more of an influence of youth . I can't at the moment see the wisdom of this appointment . He is an experienced coach ok , but will that be enough .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
I will say, i don't think people should protest straight away, let him prove himself, if he doesn't then show what you're made of. I like the idea of a flurry of seasons tickets being handed back in and 1000a of empty seats to send a message though. Vote with your feet first, vocal protests later
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gingernumpty on June 14, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Always try to see the positives despite peace being more interested in making money for himself than WBA, the quality of football and what he has referred to in the past as the great unwashed.  He has not only cocked up here massively but after last season and what was needed,  I am still seething after letting it sink in!  There was no passion or excitement last year as the sole has been sucked from the club I have supported, attended and followed for 36 years.  Peace has put another nail in his own coffin here and this is about the only positive I can think of. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on June 14, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
I must admit that this is a very uninspiring appointment.

But, as the season hasn't actually started yet, shouldn't we give the man a chance?

NO

What exactly were we expecting....., no top manager will work within the boundaries set by Peace so we were always going to be left with someone non-descrip like Irvine.

Premiership experience

Sherwood obviously demanded too much for his assistants, however half the people on here we're dreading him coming. He also has very little management experience so what exactly makes him a better bet anyway. Yes, he did ok at spurs for five months, but they were already a decent team.


Sherwoods team were never going to be as cheap as the chuckle brothers kiely and downing! You have to pay for quality after al


Let's just see what happens, there are no guarantees with any manager, but we ay done so bad over the years with relatively unknown managers so at least cut him some slack.

Why? He has no right to be Albion manager

As for attracting players, yes a well known manager may attract some, BUT this is little old albion who pay quite low wages,...is having Irvine as coach really going to put players off? I don't think so, it'll be more down to the wages being paid.

Yes they are going to be drawn to us like flies to poo, we couldn't even afford a decent back room staff but had to recycle ex wolves players!!

But, it's all about opinions, I just think its unfair to judge someone without a ball being kicked in anger.

We were told the requirements would be premier experience, we have a right to be angry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
I will say, i don't think people should protest straight away, let him prove himself, if he doesn't then show what you're made of. I like the idea of a flurry of seasons tickets being handed back in and 1000a of empty seats to send a message though. Vote with your feet first, vocal protests later
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
You know since RH and DA left there has been a slow and gradual rot spreading around the club. After each season we got more and more stale and failed to improve the squad in any real meaningful way. It's almost as if JP has said to himself "I'm not going to bother hiring competent, experienced, proven, solid leader types as head coaches or at other critical positions because they are going to leave me the moment a bigger job becomes available so I'll show them by hiring no names in here then cross my fingers that they do well! Fact is JP has failed to replace both DA and RH and the club has suffered as a result! Each time we bring a head coach in with little or no PL head coach/manager experience we drop down the table like a rock. Was happening with RDM till RH stabled things then SC had some success at first just like RDM but quickly saw that end with results so bad one could argue his second half results deserved firing. Again with PM no PL experience and a language barrier saw us just barely scrape survival and now the same mistake once again with AI. If I can see this pattern am I really to believe JP doesn't! This isn't even an appt where you can make an argument that's he's the right choice! It's beyond comprehension for me because I truly feel were being set up to fail and I can't grasp why!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:42:38 PM

Many thanks for your views.

If it fails then we will have every right to moan and groan, but until then I can't really see the problem.

Talk about an over reaction.

Like I said.......it's only an opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:43:33 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
No why on earth should we.

This is an appointment too far, and it I u fans that need some respect, and something Irvine must earn.

Sorry but I just can't get my head around this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jack Russell on June 14, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
. A chance my bottom. Not a chance I hell.  good bye this site I retire and I will be askingjfor my money back o Monday I won't swear but that's how  I feel . Mods please close my account
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
Hear, hear

It's getting a bit silly on here now with people threatening this that and the other.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:45:42 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Doobuy on June 14, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
The club has gone from strength to strength under JP. I'm prepared to give this decision the benefit of the doubt. But we need a string of good signings and a solid start to the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
No why on earth should we.

This is an appointment too far, and it I u fans that need some respect, and something Irvine must earn.

Sorry but I just can't get my head around this appointment.
So booing from the first day of Irvine being in charge will help will it ? , he has been bought in for reasons JP and Burton believe in.....as i say if it doesn't work out fair enough but i will give it a fair chance.
Lets see if some of our players improve (Mulumbu for one) under Irvine and his alledged coaching talent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
No why on earth should we.



Because they expect us all to be good little boys and girls and just wear it. Have our moan and then calm down and let the club get on with it like we usually do.

That way they can do what they like and treat the fans like mugs.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sie_davo on June 14, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
I live in Cheshire now and my 6 year old lad loves footy, but doesn't 'support' anyone yet.  Naturally I've bought him albion shirts and taken him to a couple of games (Wigan 2-3, Fulham 1-1 and a pre-season friendly) to try to subtlely persuade him to pledge his allegiances to us. Naturally round here his mates follow the big clubs and he's leaned more towards City because of this, but he always talks of 'we', 'us' and 'the Albion' when we chat about our matches.

Tonight it broke my heart to tell him not to bother supporting us. Our club is a shambles, and in an era when money now dominates the game, I find it sickeningly ironic our chairman persists in showing a permanent lack of ambition, or indeed class.

I feel for Irvine because he will face the ire of fans when he should not be in this position. There are better candidates out there - but they will cost money (high wages/compensation) to bring in but Mr Peace will hide behind his minions within their various departments who spout propaganda and spin while his 'customers' have to put up with this farce.

I hope I'm wrong about Irvine, as I'm sure we all do, and we have a season to be proud of, but a coach who has not even been touted as a candidate to any job throughout the chopping and changing of all clubs over three years? Get real messers Burton and Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:52:52 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
Strangely the offer of premier league football will attract better players (and higher wages) or are you expecting us to be attracting the likes of Messi?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:53:32 PM
Just a quick managerial summary:

- Took over at Preston whilst in relegation battle. Finishes 15th.
- Gets Preston into playoff on LAST day of the season due to other results. Loses playoff semi final.
- Season after goes on a run of 1 win in 10 and is sacked

- Joins Wednesday and they are relegated his first season in charge
- Sacked season after with Wednesday in 12th in League One

On what grounds does that make him ready to be a Premier League manager??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 14, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.

No complaints with how the club is being run then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 14, 2014, 10:54:05 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.
Missing the point.
We should not be on a wing and a prayer.
As a club starting our fifth successive season in the top-flight we should be able to attract someone better.
The problem is that the structure of the club is now wrong.
It might have worked in the past but it is obviously now deterring anyone from joining us.
We need a 'manager', not a head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:54:26 PM
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .

Well if money talks we are b*ggered then!!  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 14, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .

Money talks indeed!

As such we are flipped!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:57:04 PM
No complaints with how the club is being run then?
In my supporting lifetime, which is about 30 odd years, we are in the best position we have ever been.  I did once think I would never see us play top flight football again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Strangely the offer of premier league football will attract better players (and higher wages) or are you expecting us to be attracting the likes of Messi?

I am not expecting Messi but players I believe have to respect the head coach and they are more likely to respect a Zola than an unknown coach such as Irvine, did you know where he was working as a coach until today. I didn't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
Money talks indeed!

As such we are  .....!
Yet we still pulled in Lugano , Sinclair , Anelka , Morgan , Anichebe , Sess........not one of those would be cheap on wages or fees.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 10:58:22 PM
I'm Albion. Blue and white, or white and blue, through and through. Have been since before I was born, will be as long as my name is remembered. I love this club, good and bad, win or lose.

Good luck Alan, not my choice but the choice none the less. Do your best mate and I will support you. That is the contract, simple.

I'll be there next season. As will my kids. It's a family thing and always will be. They grew up in much worse times, with worse managers and far worse players. And still they believe.

My club, right or wrong. Our club, right or wrong.

Come on you Baggies.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
I get that some will offer a more balanced view, and be a little less irrational ...

But frankly I can't agree. Hate the appointment. Hate Peace, and slowly and surely falling out of love with the club. It's doing its best to undermine the faith and emotional investment of the fans and frankly I don't know if I can be arsed to give up so much of my time, effort and finances any more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
I am not expecting Messi but players I believe have to respect the head coach and they are more likely to respect a Zola than an unknown coach such as Irvine, did you know where he was working as a coach until today. I didn't
Roy Hodgson was drummed out of Liverpool because he didn't have the respect of the players or fans but worked out well for us and now is England coach. Give him a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 11:03:07 PM
I think its time for JP to go. Its all well and good keeping finances level but he shows a lack of ambition and openly calls us a Championship team.
In this day of silly money he has kept us afloat but there is now a pattern of poor hiring decisions and even the most trusted supporter is losing faith. I have witnessed some poor choices over the last 30 years but what the heck is going on with this choice. Nothing against AI but we could easily do better and should have.
Please someone buy this club and remove JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 11:04:58 PM
Since Mel left I have logged on daily -indeed often several times daily - to every newspaper within 200 miles of the Hawthorn; I have religiously read fans' forums, social media sites etc awaiting for the Head Coach appointment we have all craved. Then at about 6.30pm  I interrupted my sunbathing to check if the coveted appointment had been made. It had, but I still cannot believe it is true. JP had told us he had learned from last year's disastrous mistakes. What a load of bull. He has conned fans into buying season tickets on the back of his broken promises. I have always been a JP fan. Not any more. He is just getting ready to line his already bulging pockets. I hope fans who own shares are not similarly conned into accepting his cut price offer.i fear the worst for next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Westie on June 14, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
My support for WBA has been all that has retained my interest in football for some time now. I loathe a lot of the people involved in football, I loathe the continual cheating, I loathe the greedy, thick players (not all are) Nd above all, I loathe FIFA and all it stands for. Therefore, I am not in the least interested in the World Cup. Oh, nearly forgot, I loathe Jeremy Peace for conning me out of the money I paid for a season ticket. My heart told me to buy, my head said NO; the heart won. BIG MISTAKE. Maybe I'll just write it off as money down the drain and not bother going to The Hawthorns any more until Peace is gone. Outraged.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
Roy Hodgson was drummed out of Liverpool because he didn't have the respect of the players or fans but worked out well for us and now is England coach. Give him a chance.

With respect to Irvine there is a huge difference in coaching and management experience between Hodgson and Irvine. Hodgson has coached and managed at International level, Top European club level and Premier league level and remind me where Irvine has coached and managed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:20:25 PM
This is my only comment I'm going to make on this subject . But the guys who were saying Roy Hodgson  might just have a point . He just could be keeping the seat warm for Roy when the World Cup is over and he's had a break .After all it is only a 12 mth rolling contract ( Let's Hope)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
So booing from the first day of Irvine being in charge will help will it ? , he has been bought in for reasons JP and Burton believe in.....as i say if it doesn't work out fair enough but i will give it a fair chance.
Lets see if some of our players improve (Mulumbu for one) under Irvine and his alledged coaching talent.
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Last season many raved about Rodgers at Liverpool yet people forget he struggled at Watford for a while , left for Reading and got sacked 6 months later before getting a surprise chance at Swansea and the rest we know.
Clearly the fact he followed Martinez and was left with a half decent side shows he could be more successful with better players , maybe if we are lucky the same will happen Irvine.....but he has to be given a fair chance first by all IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:23:59 PM
Yet we still pulled in Lugano , Sinclair , Anelka , Morgan , Anichebe , Sess........not one of those would be cheap on wages or fees.
WHAT!!!!

And they were badly judged, not a decent one amongst them, just goes to show how bad we were, now about to get a whole lot worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus

Mule but? That's no way to,speak about Jonas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
Last season many raved about Rodgers at Liverpool yet people forget he struggled at Watford for a while , left for Reading and got sacked 6 months later before getting a surprise chance at Swansea and the rest we know.
Clearly the fact he followed Martinez and was left with a half decent side shows he could be more successful with better players , maybe if we are lucky the same will happen Irvine.....but he has to be given a fair chance first by all IMO.

Ar but at least he had some decent experience behind him, this guy hasn't even been a first team coach for 3-4 years.

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:27:55 PM
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus
Yet already a few of his former players have spoken in favour of him , to be fair he won't be dealing with agents. Booing maybe was the wrong word , your previous post was negative towards Irvine when i said he should at least be given a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 11:28:44 PM

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect

Fair point, but that doesn't mean we have to start by writing him off and deriding him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:30:22 PM
Ar but at least he had some decent experience behind him, this guy hasn't even been a first team coach for 3-4 years.

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect
Quite agree as i said to you earlier JP and Burton have put themselves in the firing line now , yes Irvine has got to earn respect but he should also be given the CHANCE to earn that respect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:30:44 PM
Having just woken up to the news and not yet gone through all the posts, quite unbelievable. Contradicts what Peace said he wanted a few weeks ago.

It just confirms even more that the club set up is all Championship. Suspect that very few more season tickets will be sold now. We can't attract coaches of any worth (RH was tipped off and a stepping stone to the England job I am convinced).

Oh, and that word 'delighted' used again by the spin artists at the club.

Let's see if the new coach and club prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 14, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
Some of the early names mentioned, Jol Malkay Hughton who I wouldn't have wanted I would take now over this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Quite agree as i said to you earlier JP and Burton have put themselves in the firing line now , yes Irvine has got to earn respect but he should also be given the CHANCE to earn that respect.
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:46:20 PM
And to add many of you guys who renewed season tickets must be regretting it now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:49:15 PM
Fair point, but that doesn't mean we have to start by writing him off and deriding him.
I think as fans we deserve, and we're led to believe we would get better than we have.

Fans are basing their thoughts on his track record, two season of taking clubs backwards, at lower levels. Three seasons out of front line management, and a very poor reputation of man management, so I think he has a long way to go to prove himself.

We didn't appoint, we didn't t ask from him.

He applied for the job, so he is the one that has it all to prove, as baggies fans we have not had the best of seasons.

Having said that we are still in the prem., however so were wolves, then they made a load of silly managerial decision and look where that got them, so naturally as fans we are very very very concerned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:49:35 PM
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing

If he'd made a decent appointment England would have our undivided attention right now.

SERIOUSLY this appointment is lousy, don't try and dress it up. If Irvine does well for us I will eat a number of hats for you all no problem.

The BIGGEST part of this is undoubtedly is Peace talking utter pooh - paraphrasing here but
1. I've learned my lesson
2. We need someone with Premiership experience/ someone with quality to operate at this level.

You talk utter rubbish Peace and I will not be happy now until you had gone for good. Along with Pinky and Perky.

God this club is several shades of screwed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:52:58 PM
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
Appointments always are, but some are more predictable than others, and our last two appointments were not good enough, and now we go for a man with even less experience, beggars belief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
If he'd made a decent appointment England would have our undivided attention right now.

SERIOUSLY this appointment is lousy, don't try and dress it up. If Irvine does well for us I will eat a number of hats for you all no problem.

The BIGGEST part of this is undoubtedly is Peace talking utter pooh - paraphrasing here but
1. I've learned my lesson
2. We need someone with Premiership experience/ someone with quality to operate at this level.

You talk utter rubbish Peace and I will not be happy now until you had gone for good. Along with Pinky and Perky.

God this club is several shades of screwed.

Here here, I just have no appetite for the England game, I am still fuming and annoyed.

16000 fans have been duped, yes most of us probably would have renewed even if we signed Steve bull as coach, maybe not, but it is the absolute contempt that pEace and his sidekick treat the honest hard working fan with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:58:47 PM
Appointments always are, but some are more predictable than others, and our last two appointments were not good enough, and now we go for a man with even less experience, beggars belief.
All i can say is they must have a reason , i know they say about his excellent coaching so i hope to see Morrison , Brunt and especially Mulumbu find the form us Baggies fans know they have shown in the past..
Fly or die really on this one although i suspect JP knows he can turn to Burton and Downing if the worst happens
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:03:41 AM
All i can say is they must have a reason , i know they say about his excellent coaching so i hope to see Morrison , Brunt and especially Mulumbu find the form us Baggies fans know they have shown in the past..
Fly or die really on this one although i suspect JP knows he can turn to Burton and Downing if the worst happens
As I say I wouldn't be surprised to see Mulumbu, Brunt and Morrison, even Foster engineer a move away now.

Mulumbu was far from happy before this appointment, god knows what he is thinking now.

BTW didn't rate Burtons appointment anyway, think he might be being used a future excuse/shield for any flak heading peace's way

You ever get the idea that Peace might be going down the Vile route, not signing any decent players, and going down the cheap academy route?

That what it smells of to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 12:15:54 AM
As I say I wouldn't be surprised to see Mulumbu, Brunt and Morrison, even Foster engineer a move away now.

Mulumbu was far from happy before this appointment, god knows what he is thinking now.

BTW didn't rate Burtons appointment anyway, think he might be being used a future excuse/shield for any flak heading peace's way

You ever get the idea that Peace might be going down the Vile route, not signing any decent players, and going down the cheap academy route?

That what it smells of to me.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:25:26 AM
How can this be a masterstroke its pure cheap and utter desperation because no1 choice new he couldnt work with peace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on June 15, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
 :o this has to be a bad joke peace has to go what the foooook planet is this bloke on and does he give a toss about our club or fans relagation is the only word I can think of
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 12:28:18 AM
:o this has to be a bad joke peace has to go what the foooook planet is this bloke on and does he give a toss about our club or fans relagation is the only word I can think of

No. He does not give a toss about our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 12:31:41 AM
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
A masterstroke WTF :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 15, 2014, 01:00:50 AM
How can the word masterstroke be used when you have appointed a failed championship/ div 1 head coach/ manager.
Alan ivine is about as bad an appointment I can ever imagine.

Please someone wake me up from this nightmare.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 15, 2014, 01:02:17 AM
Missing the point.
We should not be on a wing and a prayer.
As a club starting our fifth successive season in the top-flight we should be able to attract someone better.
The problem is that the structure of the club is now wrong.
It might have worked in the past but it is obviously now deterring anyone from joining us.
We need a 'manager', not a head coach.
Wigan had NINE years in the PL, they still struggled to regularly pick up already good players. time in this league means nothing, mate..

You also say the make up is wrong, yet more clubs than ever employ it? ok then...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 15, 2014, 01:05:26 AM
Some of the early names mentioned, Jol Malkay Hughton who I wouldn't have wanted I would take now over this

Good point. I wasnt excited by any of these but if I was told that it was all a joke and we had appointed Hughton I'd now be ecstatic!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bigrob80 on June 15, 2014, 01:06:06 AM
I am not spending a penny this year on shirt or tickets!
Very unimpressed with the quality of this appointment, can't see us adding any good players neither! Championship here we come.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 01:11:54 AM
I've never known such a consensus from the fans and even outside neutrals regarding the appointment of a manager, there's no divisions, there's no minority...everyone is in unison that this is a dreadful appointment which is telling.

You know why I think Peace has bought Irvine in? I think after Ashworth has gone he's panicked since last seasons shambles, and as seen in his recent interview he said how he wanted improvements, in other words I think he's realised how key Ashworth was. With this in mind, he's thought "what would Ashworth do?" and remembered that Ashworth would have seriously considered Irvine for the job alongside Di Matteo in '09. With this in mind he's thought Irvine has some quality about him as Ashworth was rarely wrong.

My beef is that it's been 5 years since Ashworth considered him. In this time Irvine has failed massively at two lower league clubs and has been out of management for nearly 5 years, which is why this appointment is so horrendous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 01:21:19 AM
In my supporting lifetime, which is about 30 odd years, we are in the best position we have ever been.  I did once think I would never see us play top flight football again.

See for me, football isn't just about league position.

I couldn't care less about what league we are in as long as the fans are at the heart of the club. That brings me to our current situation: Mr Peace is treating the fans like mugs. The news today is following on from a season which has had PR gaffe after PR gaffe. Peace then realised a statement admitting to mistakes and a promise to improve for the new season. There was also an intention, or so we thought, to bring in an manager with experience at the highest level who could change our fortunes. Instead we get Alan Irvine.

I am incredibly disillusioned at the moment. I have been going down the Albion for 20 years, home and away, but today was the last straw. I will not be attending next season. Many may think that makes me a bad supporter, but those who know me know how much Albion mean to me and wouldn't dream of accusing me of that.

Irvine could go on to be a success - for me, that's not the point. The point is those in charge have chose to lie to the fans of this club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
So what's Irvine's philosophy?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on June 15, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
i am in the middle of a nightmare , i am sure i will wake up soon and find out that a proper manager with premiership experience has got the job, cannot believe JP has left Downing on the staff never mind appointing an academy coach from another club  with no worthwhile senior management experience to join him
I hope and pray i hold my hands up at the end of the season and say you were right , but i suspect i along with thousands of other baggies will be saying i told you so.
never in the 60 years i have supported this club, have i witnessed such a farce regarding the managers job, my mate did not renew his season ticket for next season , i reckon he must have known something i did 'n't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 01:28:46 AM
Playing Devils advocate here; how can anyone slate the club for making a statement about making improvements on last year when we haven't kicked a ball. He's uninspiring and a bizarre appointment, but you're comparing last season to an imaginary season you've made up in your head. You can't claim that the club have sold us for mugs claiming they've convinced us to renew on a promise of improvement when we won't know for months if that's true or not.

I'm not in favour of this appointment on any level, but until we have results to compare you can't say that the club have lied and we haven't rectified mistakes. If by some miracle this appointment works how many people will hold their hands up and say 'I jumped the gun'?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 01:30:30 AM
i am in the middle of a nightmare , i am sure i will wake up soon and find out that a proper manager with premiership experience has got the job, cannot believe JP has left Downing on the staff never mind appointing an academy coach from another club  with no worthwhile senior management experience to join him
I hope and pray i hold my hands up at the end of the season and say you were right , but i suspect i along with thousands of other baggies will be saying i told you so.
never in the 60 years i have supported this club, have i witnessed such a farce regarding the managers job, my mate did not renew his season ticket for next season , i reckon he must have known something i did 'n't

I didn't renew either I was waiting for the new head coach to be appointed and I suspected Peace would go for a cheap left field option. I don't even think he was ever going to offer Sherwood the job and just used him not agreeing terms with his assistants as an excuse. He treats our supporters as idiots but we can see through his smokescreen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pedro on June 15, 2014, 01:35:44 AM
I have backed Peace through thick and thin...sadly I can't anymore. A bloke who just doesn't want it anymore. Underwhelmed I think they call it! I wasn't that excited about Sherwood but this just stinks!! How can this guy be any better than Clarke who was also brought in as a wonder coach!! Disgracefull Peace, no matter what you have done until now this is a complete kick in the teeth!!! This guy won't last half a season!! Utter rubbish, £800 on season tickets for that announcement !! After 5 weeks too!! Thanks for nothing!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudeshoes on June 15, 2014, 01:40:37 AM
It wouldn't have taken many people by surprise if West Brom had chosen Tim Sherwood as Pepe Mel's replacement as it seemed like a perfect fit. However they seem to have caught everyone out by appointing former Preston North End and Sheffield Wednesday manager Alan Irvine.

At the age of 55, Irvine doesn't have a great deal of managerial experience and has mainly spent his time as a youth coach or in charge of academies. However in the summer of 2009 Irvine was in talks with West Brom with regards to becoming their manager following an impressive season in the Championship with Preston.

At the time The Baggies were looking to replace Tony Mowbray who had left to join Celtic and Alan Irvine had guided PNE to the play-offs before a poor display against Sheffield United ended their hopes of promotion. At the time Irvine claimed he rejected the job and they went on to appoint Roberto Di Matteo.

Since then Di Matteo has won the Champions League and Irvine was relegated with Sheffield Wednesday before returning to Everton as Academy manager. Irvine will now get his chance to manage at The Hawthorns having signed a 12-month rolling contract.

In Irvine's only full season in charge with Preston he took them to 6th place with a dramatic last minute goal at Deepdale, and from the outside it may look as if his dismissal just seven months later was harsh. It wasn't however, and Irvine's brand of football was boring the fans and wasn't picking up enough points anymore. Irvine had inherited a very good squad left over from the Billy Davies days whilst Paul Simpson had made some decent additions.

The Scot was given plenty of money to develop the squad but wasted it on players such as Neal Trotman and Richard Chaplow. In 2009 Preston had the chance to sign Charlie Adam but Irvine chose to sign Veliče Šumulikoski instead. (The 'Macedonian Gerrard' in case you didn't know). Adam went on to score 16 goals and almost on his own clinched promotion for Blackpool. Šumulikoski on the other hand played just 15 games for North End.

In 2011 Preston were relegated from the Championship and with the money that Irvine had wasted it was him who had started the ball rolling.

He also took Sheffield Wednesday down in 2010 and despite being given a big budget again by new owner Milan Mandaric he failed to build a side capable of challenging at the top of League One and was sacked with The Owls in 15th place.

Irvine's strengths certainly weren't in the transfer market or with tactics, he was however appreciated by the players and they were devastated when he left. He is respected at youth level in the Premier League and is credited with bringing players like Steven Taylor, Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley in his time.

The 55-year-old isn't ready for Premier League management. It's a harsh environment to manage in and he will need to hit the ground running, there isn't time to slowly develop things at this level.

Tim Sherwood was the other man in contention and is thought to have rejected the job. Pepe Mel hadn't managed in the Premier League before and he wasn't deemed good enough, and whilst Irvine and his assistant Rob Kelly have experience in plenty of areas, the Premier League isn't one of them.

West Brom need to focus on their additions this summer and Irvine doesn't have a great track record with those. One positive is that he is likely to put his faith in the youth following his background and players such as Saido Berahino and George Thorne could come to the forefront.


http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/? (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/?)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:58:21 AM
So what's Irvine's philosophy?

He is a cut of the same cloth as Roy Hodgson. He will aim to get us incredibly organised and our patterns of play will be rigid and structured. There is very little room for attacking maneuver or flexibility. A large number of fans from both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday have referred to his football as boring, mind numbing so I would imagine we'll be opting for a defensive approach maybe relying on our counter attacking to get us points. I really cannot see us being adventurous and taking the game to our opponents and I would certainly say we'll see a lot of long balls.

I was talking to some of my Wednesday supporting mates earlier about him and they referred to him as a game of chess - players unsure where to go just incase they leave their rigid structure. He's very studious when it comes to detail but appears to get too bogged down in what the opposition are likely to do and therefore forgets what his own side should be doing.

I'm not expecting samba football, just defensive organsiation, boring football and 16,000 incredibly frustrated supporters who appear to have been sold down a river with this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 02:07:24 AM
Support a puppet ................never, he should not be allowed within a million miles of the club! no track record of any sort in the last 5 years, no track record at all in the premier league, a great track record....................of upsetting supporters at his last 2 clubs , Didnt expect Guardiola etc but this really does beggar belief!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
I don't think I have ever been so disillusioned about our club, there almost appears to be a lack of respect or even contempt for the fans. What reaction did urine think he would get after this appointment.

Didn't expect a world beater but they're is not many managers I wouldn't take over this bloke.

Got to be a wind up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 02:22:12 AM
The Scot was given plenty of money to develop the squad but wasted it on players such as Neal Trotman and Richard Chaplow. In 2009 Preston had the chance to sign Charlie Adam but Irvine chose to sign Veliče Šumulikoski instead. (The 'Macedonian Gerrard' in case you didn't know). Adam went on to score 16 goals and almost on his own clinched promotion for Blackpool. Šumulikoski on the other hand played just 15 games for North End.

In 2011 Preston were relegated from the Championship and with the money that Irvine had wasted it was him who had started the ball rolling.

He also took Sheffield Wednesday down in 2010 and despite being given a big budget again by new owner Milan Mandaric he failed to build a side capable of challenging at the top of League One and was sacked with The Owls in 15th place.


Presumably such personnel moves will not be within his remit at The Hawthorns, and given his absence of reputation, he will have no leverage to alter that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 02:27:09 AM
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/? (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/?)

That article is seriously depressing.

We are a Premier League football club, why don't we bloody act like one?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 02:32:41 AM
Did you forget to check this bit Jeremy


 His CV leaves a lot to be desired, with spells at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday bearing little fruit. Certainly nothing to

 muppet appoitment due diligence lmfao!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bigbaggieboy on June 15, 2014, 02:41:45 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 15, 2014, 02:51:44 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold


Look at the fan reaction to this appointment. Tell me one situation where there's been a fan reaction like this and the appointment has worked out successfully. I can't think of one.

This appointment has absolutely no chance of being a success.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 03:48:37 AM
Just woke up and saw this. Can't be arsed anymore to be honest. Sick joke....at least it will be a popular decision with all the other PL fans.....one relegation place already sorted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 15, 2014, 03:51:14 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold

I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2014, 06:55:04 AM
I'm Albion. Blue and white, or white and blue, through and through. Have been since before I was born, will be as long as my name is remembered. I love this club, good and bad, win or lose.

Good luck Alan, not my choice but the choice none the less. Do your best mate and I will support you. That is the contract, simple.

I'll be there next season. As will my kids. It's a family thing and always will be. They grew up in much worse times, with worse managers and far worse players. And still they believe.

My club, right or wrong. Our club, right or wrong.

Come on you Baggies.
My sentiments exactly, have been going for 60 years, and not about to stop now, been disappointed more times by poor players and managers than I care to remember but outside of family this club is the love of my life, and neither JP or Alan Irvine or any of our underperforming players will turn me away from something that I love. Whatever your present feelings are, they will be short lived if we get some decent players and results. Don't give up, this is all part and parcel of supporting the Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 07:51:42 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 07:52:20 AM
Has he resigned yet (hopefully) ??? ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 07:56:36 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogshit from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald ahole and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

Don't say there's another one WTF is Andy Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
Just got up hoping that I had had a bad dream.
Unfortunately it isn't.
Why the hell has it taken 5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine?
Ok I hear you say 'lets give the guy a chance' but I think even the most studious of us can see that this appointment will end in tears.
We will get approx. £100m into the coffers this year and it was beyond Peace to release the purse strings a pay a few more shilling to get their first choice candidate on board
Disgraceful.
The Hawthornes could be a vey toxic place next season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 15, 2014, 08:15:39 AM
Well that is a problem solved for me...

We are coming over to Europe in mid September.... getting all the bookings sorted out now.

We were only going to go the England so I could get to a couple of games....

Just told my Wife not to bother anymore and we can spend more time in Greek Islands.

...

a large chunk of me just stopped caring
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 15, 2014, 08:17:52 AM
Just got up hoping that I had had a bad dream.
Unfortunately it isn't.
Why the hell has it taken 5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine?
Ok I hear you say 'lets give the guy a chance' but I think even the most studious of us can see that this appointment will end in tears.
We will get approx. £100m into the coffers this year and it was beyond Peace to release the purse strings a pay a few more shilling to get their first choice candidate on board
Disgraceful.
The Hawthornes could be a vey toxic place next season
Just remembered too - still feel sick by this appointment and will ruin my day again.
Renewed my ticket for 14th season - will not trust a word that comes out of Dr Evils mouth again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 08:21:30 AM
Would somebody please try and get hold of Jack Russell. Poor bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on June 15, 2014, 08:47:02 AM
Listening to Talksport and last on the agenda was AI appointment at WBA . The words used by the journalist were "cheap option" "underwhelming" and "fearful for WBA next season". He was a reasoned journalist (not really a contradiction in terms) but had nothing positive to say about the appointment. He believed Sherwwod had been offered job Thursday but after 3 days of talks it broke down on Saturday afternoon and then "2minutes" later we wheel out Alan Irvine- so what Terry Burton is saying is a load do codswallop.

Unfortunately I was one of the suckers taken in by Jeremy Peace when he said he had learnt etc..... And renewed my ticket. Unfortunately it looks like you can't get a refund but whilst he has my money it doesn't mean I have to put any more money into his coffers so no more purchasing of anything from the club whilst he is in charge. It may be like an ant shouting with all that tv money rolling in but I have to make a stand. Peace is doing this I believe with an ulterior motive my thoughts nobody else's .

At this moment I am devastated with the appointment but I will wait and see what happens between now and kick off to see who we bring in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 15, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
 :'( We will be the "whipping boys" of the Premiership. 20th spot guaranteed.

We won't be able to keep hold of Foster, Mulumbu, Olsson, Sess,and Yacob....what a ballsup of an appointment.

Who the hell is going to sign for us with an unknown Premiership coach.

WTF is happening at our club???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 15, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
Listening to Talksport and last on the agenda was AI appointment at WBA . The words used by the journalist were "cheap option" "underwhelming" and "fearful for WBA next season". He was a reasoned journalist (not really a contradiction in terms) but had nothing positive to say about the appointment. He believed Sherwwod had been offered job Thursday but after 3 days of talks it broke down on Saturday afternoon and then "2minutes" later we wheel out Alan Irvine- so what Terry Burton is saying is a load do codswallop.



You're basing your opinion of Burton's statement on something you heard a Talksport journalist saying he "believed"? Do you think that's wise?

They're not exactly regarded as a reliable source realistically are they? Tabloid radio.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 15, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

Ex-Scotland rugby full back...?  He'd have us putting in the tackles at least.

Seriously, I hope Irvine's got a thick skin, he's going to need  it first few in the dugout!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 15, 2014, 09:00:13 AM
Wasn't a dream then oh dear baldy hold onto your hat your in for a bumpy ride
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 09:00:22 AM
Would somebody please try and get hold of Jack Russell. Poor bloke.
He did post yesterday evening - you must have missed it.

Having slept on it, I feel the same as yesterday, although I am someone whose views remain consistent until something happens to change them. This appointment absolutely beggars belief and is about as small-time as it's possible for a Premier League club to get. A handful of people are trumpeting Irvine's supposed wonderful coaching skills. Apart from a couple of players tweeting (and how can you be sure they aren't being sarcastic?), where's the evidence for this massive coaching ability that he has? Do we take it that he didn't coach the players at Preston and Sheff Wed, because what happened to them suggests their players didn't receive good coaching.

As far as his tactics are concerned: playing defensively even when losing? Playing a midfield entirely comprising central midfielders? Mind you, Albion's lack of options in the past have led to that on occasions. Dazzling wing-play doesn't sound like it's going to be high on Irvine's agenda.

Even if you think the appointment is based on him bringing through academy players, even if he does have skills in that respect, any high quality academy players we develop will be poached for a pittance before they get near the first team. Everton is a big enough club to be able to hang on to most of its best academy players, but we're not. To be honest, we might as well shut it down, as it's never likely to be anything more than a feeder academy for other clubs. Peace is taking the wrong road if he thinks he can rely on the academy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 09:03:40 AM
Happy Fathers Day! HAHA!

IF and I really mean IF he is as good a coach as is being reported then why not employ him in the academy where his talents lie?

I do agree all he has done is apply for a job and got it but JP wants F**KING HANGING!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 15, 2014, 09:07:05 AM
Can't believe what the clowns have done. How can we be excited with this tit in charge. This guy is a loser plain and simple plays bog standard football according to Sheff Wed and Preston supporter's and is another dour Scott who will bore us to death.Please make a U turn ffs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 09:21:59 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 09:35:16 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

Sounds a bit far fetched! Why would his be more complicated? What would be wrong with Employing Sherwood then Ferdinand in 3 months?! Sorry but his theory has flaws all over it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 09:44:05 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

He's been an academy coach for years so he could switch to that after three months if the theory is true. The fans were already claiming it was a farce waiting a couple of extra days, maybe the appointment of Irvine just gets a name in instead of really ballsing up over another months wait over Ferdinand.

I'm running out of straws to clutch at.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

The musician or the former Scottish Rugby player, either of which are probably better suited to football management?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.
Wishful thinking. This appointment is a f#ck up of biblical proportions that takes us back to some of the disasters in the late 80's/early 90's.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 15, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
I'm still in shock and still very very annoyed by this appointment I think this its a poorer appointment than Bryan Robson. The whole thing is awful I had a feeling that the longer it took us to sort Sherwood out the less likely we would get him  What Peace said a few weeks ago about learning from previous mistakes is utter rubbish. For a number of years I have been a fan of him for the job that he has done but the last twelve months my feelings have gone completely the other way I will be watching for a far next season as last season was woeful this season will be even worse. Peace has gone one too many in my opinion.
I felt the club did some good getting rid of Mel a day after the season ended and some dead wood going but this is awful
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 09:50:39 AM
See what I mean, forgotten his name already!,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
He's been an academy coach for years so he could switch to that after three months if the theory is true. The fans were already claiming it was a farce waiting a couple of extra days, maybe the appointment of Irvine just gets a name in instead of really ballsing up over another months wait over Ferdinand.

I'm running out of straws to clutch at.

Let it go man, let it go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 15, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
I don't care if he's the best coach in the world (which unfortunately he isn't), his appointment stamps 'lack of ambition' all over West Bromwich Albion. We need to rebuild a squad and we needed someone with strong links at the highest levels of the game , a name potential recruits could believe in, and a coach that will make our existing players excited at the thought of the new season, would instil confidence throughout the club, an inspirational figure that gets the most out of players and a team,  someone the fans could believe in and be excited about, someone that would have turned 16000 ST sales into 20000 , instead we get Alan Irvine, an appointment that would turn 16000 into 10000 if refunds are allowed. The exact opposite of the type of person we needed. Disappointed and angry doesn't cover it.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 15, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
We were close to appointing him before RDM by all accounts. If he was that strong a candidate surely he would have got the job on one of the several other occasions that its come up since. Its something I just cant get my head round.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 15, 2014, 09:51:53 AM
:'( We will be the "whipping boys" of the Premiership. 20th spot guaranteed.

We won't be able to keep hold of Foster, Mulumbu, Olsson, Sess,and Yacob....what a ballsup of an appointment.

Who the hell is going to sign for us with an unknown Premiership coach.

WTF is happening at our club???

That's exactly what dr evil wants. High earners out - championship and academy in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albertbaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
Gutted by Alan Irvine's appointment.
Just feels like board have stuck two fingers up the supporters yet again.
Might as well have just appointed Downing and Kiely.
I just hope that, having thought Gary Megson was a dire appointment at the time, Irvine pleasantly surprises me in same way

That said, People saying 'how will we attract players now?' ...realistically, who did you think we were going to sign? It won't make a jot of difference to the kind of players we  were always likely to bring in.


Also, I understand Sheff Wed slagging off the appointment but I do treat with suspicion the Preston supporters having a dig. Have looked back at  articles from the time and people were shocked to see him  go. Wiki  even says 'His departure from Preston caused outrage from fans'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
Can you imagine your kids handing you an Albion Season Ticket for Fathers day? You would be proper P**sed Off!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 15, 2014, 10:15:46 AM
As Irvine and Terry Burton -  two people who you would expect to have a big say in signings -  have spent recent years involved in Academy football who will decide on what players we sign for next season - apart from JP? Could it be our friend Garlick, who was involved in the signing of such 'super stars' as Anichebe, Sinclair and Thievy! OK, we have our network of scouts like all other clubs, but surely we need top-grade football professionals to scout players before they are signed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on June 15, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Having slept on it I'm still seething. Just cannot see the logic in this appointment. It like one massive slap in the face for the fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 10:21:30 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 10:24:57 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?

Perhaps Alan Irvine, can't think of many others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 15, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3


If its not official yet then can somebody with contacts at the club please contact Jeremy Peace, sit him down and make him read this thread, and get him to change his mind. I know it would be a PR disaster, but better that than stick with this decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 15, 2014, 10:30:01 AM
Sadly we're stuck with him ffs. :-X Protesting will do jack sh#t .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
One thing is for certain is JP needs to address the meltdown. He needs to come out justify his decision. Without him doing this there are absolutely now logical reasons for this appointment. Not holding me breath on this mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
The notion that the owner of a successful, multi-million-pound business cares less about it than its customers is laughable. We may be bitterly disappointed if the club are relegated, but none of us are going to lose millions of pounds because of it.

Unless someone can give a remotely plausible reason why JP would want to destroy his largest asset, we must assume that he simply thinks Alan Irvine is the best man available for the position. It seems unreasonable to hang them both in effigy before Irvine has done anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football

And relegated a solid Championship club in Sheffield Wednesday.

And relegated a solid Championship club in Preston North End.

You forgot those two highly important pieces of information.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

If only this was true.
Not a chance IMO.
If they wanted to go down that road why not appoint Sherwood now and Ferdinand comes on board in 3 months time.
The obvious truth is what happened on Friday and a stumbling block was hit where they couldn't agree a rate for Ferdinand and co.
£100m in this season and they couldn't agree a rate for two coaches.
Poxy club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
I have found reading this forum since the appointment quite interesting. It would appear nobody is happy with the appointment but peoples responses go from giving him a chance, to those who seem to be desperate to organise protests, banners, etc.

Personally if you wish to make a stand then to me that would to ask for Season Ticket refunds, Greenock Baggies post was quite touching as there is somebody who travels thousands of miles to watch his team (and i know there are load of others who do the same) and this appointment has pushed him too far so he is wanting a refund, hope he changes his mind but if not fair play to him for making his personal stand, no agenda just personal action.

I think the club have got it wrong on a few occasions, i think its poor form to let the news break when the whole country is focusing on the England match, they must of known what the news would be greeted like. Also i think the last 12-18 months wrong appointments have been made, i still dont understand the Clarke was a failure thing, yes we were struggling and it was boring, but he also got us our highest ever Prem finish and we werent in the relegation Zone when he left, whatever factors, built on the back of Roys team, lucky with Lukaku, etc the facts stay the same so on that basis, overall i would say Clarke was a successful appointment, previous managers before him the last 10 years also achieved certain milestones so to say constant wrong appointments is harsh.

Garlick and McDonough it would seem were mistakes, one has now gone, the other has been moved elsewhere and we have brought in somebody who has been involved with football all his life and is well respected, on paper that would seem we have learnt from the mistakes, of course it could go wrong but surely worth giving him a chance? Same applies to Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel was a strange one, ultimately he kept us up and that was his remit, however it would it wasnt down to him, things werent right and he was sacked at earliest opportunity and we have looked at another angle in Irvine.

Like i think 99.9% of Albion fans, Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice, probably wouldnt of even made my top 10 but he is here now. JP and Burton must of seen something and got a plan that they see with him and can work together, we tried the older 'proven' types last year and it got us nowhere so it would seem we are targeting the young hungry players, ideally from our own academy, the academy has to serve a purpose and if young players can see a route to the first team, maybe they wont clear off to Liverpool aged 14, etc. Also from what we know there were some bad eggs in the dressing room last year, perhaps in the players who have left some of those bad eggs have gone and new younger hungrier players can come in and not be part of the old 'clique' its a new start.

The comments from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans arent great towards Irvine, but maybe with Burton taking care of the day to day rubbish, ie - player disputes, contracts, etc then Irvine can focus on the coaching which would appear is his main attribute, we have 4 x coaches now it would seem (that in itself could be a bit confusing) but if Irvine comes in, lets the players know who is boss, it may just work, we are building a new team which needs to be coached, Irvine can certainly do that, its whether his managerial skills are upto scratch.

I have major reservations about the appointment but now he is here, its going to be a new look management, a new look team, (even a new look kit!) so i want to try and look forward to seeing that with hungry players, not over paid premadonnas, and see what happens before writing us off, if it goes t*ts up then JP has to face all the flak that comes his.

One final thing, there seems to be this obsession that we are trying to things on the cheap, we want to be in the championship (he didnt actually say that), in what way would that benefit JP or anybody at all? JP is trying to buy shares at £3k a pop i believe? If we go down we lose millions and millions in value off the club, our income reduces greatly, and after incurring 5 years of premiership income and outgoings, there is no way any sane person would actual want us to go down as a business, let alone the bloke who runs it! I have backed JP but i think this time he really has put his neck on the line but lets see what happens, we could be an all out entertaining side doing well, or we could be bottom without a point but surely give people a chance, especially when probably 8 times out of 10 they have got it right in the past.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 15, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
I feel like we have been sent down to the championship already .  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:13:09 AM
its going to be a new look management

Is it really?

We had the perfect opportunity to refresh the whole club and the management set up and we've failed to utilise it by keeping Keith Downing and Dean Kiely - christ knows why.

We've now appointed a failed football manager who has two relegations too his name at the only two clubs he has ever managed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 11:17:18 AM
I have found reading this forum since the appointment quite interesting. It would appear nobody is happy with the appointment but peoples responses go from giving him a chance, to those who seem to be desperate to organise protests, banners, etc.

Personally if you wish to make a stand then to me that would to ask for Season Ticket refunds, Greenock Baggies post was quite touching as there is somebody who travels thousands of miles to watch his team (and i know there are load of others who do the same) and this appointment has pushed him too far so he is wanting a refund, hope he changes his mind but if not fair play to him for making his personal stand, no agenda just personal action.

I think the club have got it wrong on a few occasions, i think its poor form to let the news break when the whole country is focusing on the England match, they must of known what the news would be greeted like. Also i think the last 12-18 months wrong appointments have been made, i still dont understand the Clarke was a failure thing, yes we were struggling and it was boring, but he also got us our highest ever Prem finish and we werent in the relegation Zone when he left, whatever factors, built on the back of Roys team, lucky with Lukaku, etc the facts stay the same so on that basis, overall i would say Clarke was a successful appointment, previous managers before him the last 10 years also achieved certain milestones so to say constant wrong appointments is harsh.

Garlick and McDonough it would seem were mistakes, one has now gone, the other has been moved elsewhere and we have brought in somebody who has been involved with football all his life and is well respected, on paper that would seem we have learnt from the mistakes, of course it could go wrong but surely worth giving him a chance? Same applies to Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel was a strange one, ultimately he kept us up and that was his remit, however it would it wasnt down to him, things werent right and he was sacked at earliest opportunity and we have looked at another angle in Irvine.

Like i think 99.9% of Albion fans, Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice, probably wouldnt of even made my top 10 but he is here now. JP and Burton must of seen something and got a plan that they see with him and can work together, we tried the older 'proven' types last year and it got us nowhere so it would seem we are targeting the young hungry players, ideally from our own academy, the academy has to serve a purpose and if young players can see a route to the first team, maybe they wont clear off to Liverpool aged 14, etc. Also from what we know there were some bad eggs in the dressing room last year, perhaps in the players who have left some of those bad eggs have gone and new younger hungrier players can come in and not be part of the old 'clique' its a new start.

The comments from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans arent great towards Irvine, but maybe with Burton taking care of the day to day rubbish, ie - player disputes, contracts, etc then Irvine can focus on the coaching which would appear is his main attribute, we have 4 x coaches now it would seem (that in itself could be a bit confusing) but if Irvine comes in, lets the players know who is boss, it may just work, we are building a new team which needs to be coached, Irvine can certainly do that, its whether his managerial skills are upto scratch.

I have major reservations about the appointment but now he is here, its going to be a new look management, a new look team, (even a new look kit!) so i want to try and look forward to seeing that with hungry players, not over paid premadonnas, and see what happens before writing us off, if it goes t*ts up then JP has to face all the flak that comes his.

One final thing, there seems to be this obsession that we are trying to things on the cheap, we want to be in the championship (he didnt actually say that), in what way would that benefit JP or anybody at all? JP is trying to buy shares at £3k a pop i believe? If we go down we lose millions and millions in value off the club, our income reduces greatly, and after incurring 5 years of premiership income and outgoings, there is no way any sane person would actual want us to go down as a business, let alone the bloke who runs it! I have backed JP but i think this time he really has put his neck on the line but lets see what happens, we could be an all out entertaining side doing well, or we could be bottom without a point but surely give people a chance, especially when probably 8 times out of 10 they have got it right in the past.


Must admit 79, I've got a lot of empathy with your argument. I think it's fair to say that Alan Irvine has a totally different brief with us than he did with SW or PNE,  he will be a component part of a coaching and tactical team, & as you say, he won't have to persue transfer targets.
I have to say, it's not an appointment that inspires me, & I do have some reservations about his tactical nouse, but I can see that it's a structure that could work.
Personally, I think the alternative appointment would have been an absolute car crash, Tim Sherwood would have wanted it his way or no way, in my opinion, that's what swayed it in the end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
The notion that the owner of a successful, multi-million-pound business cares less about it than its customers is laughable. We may be bitterly disappointed if the club are relegated, but none of us are going to lose millions of pounds because of it.

Unless someone can give a remotely plausible reason why JP would want to destroy his largest asset, we must assume that he simply thinks Alan Irvine is the best man available for the position. It seems unreasonable to hang them both in effigy before Irvine has done anything.

Well said Quakes couldn't agree more. Anybody suggesting he's milking a cash cow and trying to take us down needs their head looking at, you can't do both. Here's to miracles happening.

And agree with other posters that although on paper Sherwood looks better, that appointment could have torn the club apart - moan all you like about how Peace didn't want to pay top dollar for him and his team, but nobody should be held ransom at their own business. You give someone like Sherwood an inch and he'll take a mile.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:22:45 AM
Sorry having slept on it and read all posts on here the conclusion is still the same............ It is an unjustifiable appointment announced at a time to minimize the immediate response from supporters (that failed too)toward both the incoming man and the person ultimately responsible for making the decision. It totally defies logic and can only assume it was an appointment borne of desperation having spent 5 weeks apparently faffing about, surely due diligence results wouldnt have altered much from December / January time, only to see your preferred option pull the plug at the eleventh hour. The appointment itself goes against so much of the Chairmans statement to CL at the start of the managerial search . As yet we have no major sponsor,cant see this appointment helping that situation much,and it would seem a kit for next season that is going to fly in the face of tradition how much more are we expected to accept without saying or doing diddly, as i said at the beginning unjustifiable and imo unsupportable appoitment and i for one will be doing my best to let those that made this inexpicable choice know it!!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
Sadly we're stuck with him ffs. :-X Protesting will do jack sh#t .
better to try and fail than not to try at all!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 11:25:28 AM

Must admit 79, I've got a lot of empathy with your argument. I think it's fair to say that Alan Irvine has a totally different brief with us than he did with SW or PNE,  he will be a component part of a coaching and tactical team, & as you say, he won't have to persue transfer targets.
I have to say, it's not an appointment that inspires me, & I do have some reservations about his tactical nouse, but I can see that it's a structure that could work.
Personally, I think the alternative appointment would have been an absolute car crash, Tim Sherwood would have wanted it his way or no way, in my opinion, that's what swayed it in the end.

Isn't that what you want from a leader? Somebody to come in and instill a bit of confidence around the place and show all and sundry whose boss?.
Not saying that's what Sherwood would have done but that's what you want
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 11:26:51 AM
I thought i had a nightmare when i woke then i realised reality.I am probably at my lowest ebb in a long time as far as wba are concerned
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 11:28:57 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?

I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 11:33:26 AM
I must be the only fan on here who's pleased, Peace has finally got his man a highly respected coach, who has been a successful number two, is liked by his former players, has a history of working with young players, is cheap and most importantly is Scottish.

Welcome aboard Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 15, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Well said Quakes couldn't agree more. Anybody suggesting he's milking a cash cow and trying to take us down needs their head looking at, you can't do both. Here's to miracles happening.

And agree with other posters that although on paper Sherwood looks better, that appointment could have torn the club apart - moan all you like about how Peace didn't want to pay top dollar for him and his team, but nobody should be held ransom at their own business. You give someone like Sherwood an inch and he'll take a mile.

In that case you'd expect JP to go down the 'safe' route and employ some middle of the road coach with a reasonable amount of Prem experience. Granted any appointment is risky but this one is downright stupidity. JP really is playing russian roulette with his interests.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on June 15, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
This seems a bad decision on many levels , Irvine's first team coaching pedigree, relationship with fans of clubs he's managed and players he signed in the past - all of which should've been the leading criteria for choosing our new head coach?

If the theory is to focus on coaching to better nurture and bring on young players,either academy or new signings, then a well respected academy coach on the first team staff would achieve this. However, the demands of the top coaching/managers job in the premier league are such that you need to be a politician and excellent at handling the media/fans as well as players/ training. Pepe was great at the PR side of things in spite of his limited English - I'm not sure on his coaching ability to be honest. The point is, to have a criteria based solely on technical coaching ability is badly flawed, particularly at a time when our club clearly needed a 'leader' / figurehead to galvanise the players, fans and to create a perception the club were ready to progress. A 'leader' can be a figurehead like Roy of course rather an someone who is actually calling all of the shots.

 By creating a perception that the club is going places, it means fans, media and as a result players (prospective signings) buy into this vision. The appointment of Irvine actually shows the opposite (I'm sure this wasn't the intent) I.e. that WBA are ready to consolidate,sign young lower league players and young foreigners to build for a future which the club accept might involve dropping down the divisions at some point. Irvine is a Championship appointment at best, however a large change in structure (ousting Downing and Kiely in the process) would involve an owner admitting his whole plan and fundamental principles are wrong. Those same principles he perceives have brought success for ten years - no one can argue we've progressed in the past ten years. However, a leader (like it or not Peace is the current actual leader and not a Roy style figurehead) must surely see that with a structure which has brought success, there are also fundamental problems this causes eg lack of flexibility and too much upheaval , that these problems are creating uncertainty and prompting our best young players to want to leave rather than 'buy into' a club which will nurture them.
No owner in their right mind (?) would welcome or court relegation knowingly (££££) , however surely beginning the season with a manager with an (outward) style of dour pragmatism and a poor first team coaching record at League one level is leaving the door wide open to fans to 'devour' the coach within ten games.

Irvine seems to be a good workshop foreman promoted to CEO because he did a good job at managing a workshop. It's rare this kind of guy will work out in such a high profile job in an environment of large Egos (boardroom, players, agents) but I'll take my hat off to the club if we win 6 games by Christmas.

I just hope we don't lurch into a Keen at Blackburn style implosion on and off the field now that sees the club fighting the fans who want Irvine sacked by October following no wins. Only some significant signings - not necessarily big money but signings of vision and balance - will start to change the fans and media perception.

Can we not strengthen our voice to Peace by using the only language he knows - shares and money. I have no money to invest but with a collective fans voice intent of creating a greater fans ownership, this would make Peace have to listen to our collective voice more. People talk of the balance German club ownership brings. Why not try to begin this at WBA for long term reasons ( it wouldn't happen overnight).

You can tell I've thought about this all and care but I won't be spending any money at the club shop or ground including tickets until I see that investment (yes I 'invest' or give charitable donations to the club so it can have a better future - not to create profit for shareholders) is well managed and the top people at the club share their vision in a way that I can understand clearly.

First time poster who is struggling to accept that the club can implode again after being there throughout the dire 80s and 90s years where fans and board were often in conflict.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 15, 2014, 11:39:19 AM
What has inebriated me off the most are two things:

 1. Albion wait until the day of the England game.
2. 14 working days have passed since deadline so people will not get refunds.

The contempt and cynicism for the fans just appalls me. irvine might be decent but it's the sheer contempt...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2014, 11:39:44 AM
imagine the england bench last night,

Good game Danny (Welbeck)
Cheers Ben, I feel a lot more confident in myself now we don't have Moyes and the Dutch national manager is coming in.

By the way Ben hows things going at your place ? :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on June 15, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
What on earth has JP done?  >:( Whilst the appointment of Pepe Mel was not a universal success, at least it united the fans. By giving Alan Irvine the job, Pearce has more than likely sealed our relegation to the Championship next season. If he wasn't good enough in 2009 to beat RDM to the job how can he possibly be good enough now?

Over the last 5+ weeks we have been linked with numerous names (some good, alot bad/uninspiring) but I can't actually think of anyone I would have wanted less and that includes Neil Lennon, Chris Hughton, Malky Mackay & Dave Jones!

However, whilst I appreciate that I am in the minority judging by the comments so far, everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves. AI will get my full support however the team needs to hit the ground running otherwise I imagine the atmosphere will turn "poisonous" very quickly  :(

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 11:43:14 AM
I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).
All for giving the guy a chance but there must be dozens of 'highly respected' coaches in the land who are not suited to being No.1 at a premier league club. I said it above, he may be 'head coach' but there are a lot of management skills needed  in being No 1 at a club.....the evidence for Irvine being a good choice is very very hard to find.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
Isn't that what you want from a leader? Somebody to come in and instill a bit of confidence around the place and show all and sundry whose boss?.
Not saying that's what Sherwood would have done but that's what you want

In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 15, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.

i agree a major crisis with sherwood and peace was just round the corner. I don't mind not having sherwood but the coincidence of releasing the news hours before England just appalls me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:48:26 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
Not so much a car crash with Irvine................more like a 20 ton truck ran into it whilst parked out side your house 10 minutes before you have to go out!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
With Sherwood the car crash might have happened. On the other hand he may go on to have a successful managerial career - we just don't know, but it would have been interesting to find out and would have put bums on seats at least for a while. We probably would have had more chance of attracting players and raising the profile of the club a bit also.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 11:51:42 AM
Their social networks are getting slammed!! There's probably some poor SEO marketing guy/gal who is going to have to deal with us baggies using that as our soap box. I think if it's relentless over the next few months it'll get noticed.

Part of my job is running social network profiles for companies and if I was in charge of baggies' one I'd retweet and share as many possible disgruntled tweet and Facebook statuses till I got the sack!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.

I agree with your point, I never got the fascination with Sherwood, he would have been a disaster I reckon, but so will Irvine most likely. The difference is, Sherwood was young, had a bit of potential and was clearly not a yes man - who had charisma and passion. I'm not saying that would make him into a decent manager, but at least it would have been more fun to watch and you could connect with the club a bit more with someone like that involved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 15, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
After sleeping on it the only positive I can come up with is its not Irvines fault he just applied for a job and if he had any sense he wouldn't come anywhere near
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
All for giving the guy a chance but there must be dozens of 'highly respected' coaches in the land who are not suited to being No.1 at a premier league club. I said it above, he may be 'head coach' but there are a lot of management skills needed  in being No 1 at a club.....the evidence for Irvine being a good choice is very very hard to find.

They haven't been given the job though mukka, Irvine has & whilst he wouldn't of been anywhere near the top of my list (neither RDM, Clarke, Downing & to a degree Hodgson), he's got the gig & so will receive my support.

As an aside & this is purely a personal point but I don't get the "I want a refund" thing either, (no disrespect intended) mainly because we gave Alan Irvine the Head Coach job
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).

I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
Wish I would have applied for the job now...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.

Quite agree Oldbury, and having had a couple of poor seasons wiith Downing in  the backroom staff, the one common denominator, why oh why oh why has he been allowed to stay, nothing has changed, and nothing learnt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
I don't know if anyone here has the answer, but how much did Peace buy the club for back in the day? I have google'd and can't find much information?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
Quite agree Oldbury, and having had a couple of poor seasons wiith Downing in  the backroom staff, the one common denominator, why oh why oh why has he been allowed to stay, nothing has changed, and nothing learnt.
A couple of poor seasons which included our highest ever Premier League position?  It is funny how easy history is rewritten.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 15, 2014, 12:12:09 PM
It will be interesting to see who are new signings will be after last year's total shambles. Irvine and Burton have been pre-occupied for the past couple of seasons with their Academy roles and will have had little or no time to go scouting; Garlick has been moved sideways and so we are left with JP, plus the usual network of scouts, which all clubs have. I really fear for us next season, but clearly JP doesn't care a toss. He will no doubt pocket a chunk of the extra TV revenue and once he gets his 75% share holding he'll do his best to flog us mid season before we get relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.

I don't pretend to be totally happy with the 'pre installed backroom staff' & like many others wouldn't of been disappointed if they had, had a clear out when the new Coach was brought in but the fact remains that this is the 'West Brom model' which has kept us in the Prem for the longest period & I don't see it changing unless Peace sells up, then of course if some Malaysian, Russian, American Billionaire can come in & change our name/colours/venue then we might just be begging for JP to come back.

For the record, I don't think we'll get relegated next season because we're Uncle Alan's Barmy Army  :P   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
I bet even Alan Irvine woke up this morning and had to pinch himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
wouldnt be cancelling his october holiday if i were him just dont see it working, gone by September!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 12:32:26 PM
I bet even Alan Irvine woke up this morning and had to pinch himself.

With any luck he'll read these pages and withdraw his application
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on June 15, 2014, 12:35:05 PM
With any luck he'll read these pages and withdraw his application

How can he withdraw his application when he didn't even apply in the first place ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
If Irvine is the answer im not sure I want to know the question in all honesty.

Cheap appointment and the 'clique' at the club between Downing and Kieliy and some of the players remain.

We had the perfect opportunity to rebuild and start again but yet again JP takes the cheap option.

It's not physically possible to contact and appoint a man within hours of Sherwood 'turning us down'.

JP knew who he wanted.

The only reason its taken 5 weeks is because JP was waiting for the right time to burry the bad news.

Sick that us fans have been treated like this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:40:49 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
How can he withdraw his application when he didn't even apply in the first place ?

So Jeremy walked down Preston high st bumped into Hazel and offered him the job?  ::)
To be truthful I aint in the mood today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 15, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
So Jeremy walked down Preston high st bumped into Hazel and offered him the job?  ::)
To be truthful I aint in the mood today
I think Albion approached him mate.......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 12:44:05 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he

Let's be honest mate, if someone offered you the role and you knew that Keily and Downing were doing the work for you and your just the face of it all, wouldn't you say yes. I know I would. :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
From an inspiring man in Pepe Mel who galvanized the supporters to another must not loose football dour scot, Great
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
If Alan Irvine is the best we can come up with then I would hate to see the other 55 candidates that applied for the job.

I feel sorry for Irvine in some respects that he's stepping his feet into a football club which at the moment has a poisonous atmosphere surrounding it. The job was already going to be big enough when you consider the work we need to do to the squad but because of his appointment he's going to be under extraordinary pressure to make sure he's get some results on the board quickly. I would imagine many will give him the chance to prove himself but if he doesn't hit the ground running then the atmosphere towards him and more importantly Jeremy Peace will become incredibly sour.

I cannot for the life of me see the logic behind his appointment but I wish him the best of luck because he's going to need it - I really cannot see him lasting the full season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 15, 2014, 12:52:33 PM
I think it is time to get some perspective and give Jeremy Peace some well-earned credit.  He has, after all, at one stroke re-written part of the OXford English Dictionary.

He told us, in his mea culpa statement that the new head coach would be better than Steve Clarke.

At a stroke, better is no longer "the comparative of good" or "more excellent than other members of a particular group" it is now the comparative of total rubbish.

Well done JP, it takes genius to completely change the meaning of a word.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 01:29:56 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Classic so funny it's sad but true
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-excited-by-albion-challenge-1643790.aspx

And new boss delivers message for Baggies fans

ALAN Irvine admits he is ‘excited’ about the challenge ahead after yesterday agreeing to become Albion’s new Head Coach.

The 55-year-old Scot will arrive at The Hawthorns on the back of a 22-year coaching career across England’s top three divisions.

And, with a successful five full seasons as David Moyes’ assistant at Everton under his belt, he is relishing the chance to get his teeth into his first job as a No.1 in the Barclays Premier League.

“I’m absolutely delighted to get the job,” said Irvine.

“I’ve got a great deal of respect for the club right the way from the first team through to the Academy.

“The situation at this club is similar to what I went through at Everton when I went there with David.

“It is run very sensibly and, as a result of that, any head coach coming in has got a great chance of doing a good job.

“A number of the players who have had success in the Premier League with the club are still here.

“But it’s a small squad at this moment in time and, clearly, the first job is going to have to be to get some more players in.

“My passion is for coaching and I believe my strength is on the training ground, which is where we need to get the work done.”

Irvine will work closely with Baggies Technical Director Terry Burton and is determined to deliver for the fans.

“Terry is someone I’ve respected as a coach from a distance for many years and I’m looking forward to working closely with him,” he added.

“The Hawthorns is a place I have been as a visiting manager and assistant manager, and it is always difficult to get a result.

“The fans are extremely passionate, terrific in getting behind the team, and I’m sure it is a great place to work as a player or a coach.

“I’m extremely excited about the challenge and I’ll certainly give it everything I possibly can.

“I’ll work however many hours it takes to make things work.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:30:40 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Never has something so funny been so true to fact
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: loui999 on June 15, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Hello Dingle ! Funny though fair play !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 01:33:53 PM
“I’ll work however many hours it takes to make things work.”

Not enough hours in the day Mr Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:34:11 PM
that's why we'll have a  white top with nearly invisible pinstripes so we'll look like preston appoint their useless ex manager and get sponsored by the comedy channel on sky . priceless . nevermind getting relegated to the championship division one here we come .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba_forever on June 15, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
I am honestly really disappointed and it doesn't seem real. I was looking forward to the premier league starting but that has gone now and it is hard to be positive about it. That said I guess we will have to back him and if he does a bad job he'll be gone any way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: nogin on June 15, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
It is quite obvious that the chairman has been watching to many scientific research programs. With him also wanting to save money he pays peanuts so Monkey sees Monkey do is his theory. That is why he keeps employing people who have worked with or under top managers. 
FFS why have we no ambition!!!! NO more money from me Mr Peace while you still run the club. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:52:30 PM
I wonder what the sponsors, shareholders and other investors make of this, we're they tied into deals as well before this shock announcement  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
Hello Dingle ! Funny though fair play !

If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Yes we are, however this time, it is time for us to stand up and voice our concerns, ok it might not do us any good in the short term, but at least it may vent off some of the frustrations we have.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
that's why we'll have a  white top with nearly invisible pinstripes so we'll look like preston appoint their useless ex manager and get sponsored by the comedy channel on sky . priceless . nevermind getting relegated to the championship division one here we come .

Do you know, if we had to do that to get rid of the half wits that makes up our board of directors and chairman, I would gladly see us go through that pain.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DannyAJM on June 15, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
Only one reason for this appointment that i can see.

Employ a youth coach (Irvine) to bring through academy players into the first team when they get any good sell them and pocket all the profit. Plus you will pocket the savings in wages, which will be low for a bunch of kids. Also you can run the club like this in any division so Peace will not give a damn if we are relegated.

We are gearing up to be a selling club and once Peace has 75% we are completely done for. I normally back our players / staff to the max but i can't see any other explanation for this and will therefore not give Irvine a single second of support.

Irvines interview made me laugh you can just see the brief before hand "make sure you mention we will be signing players and that your a good coach."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 02:14:11 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Never doubted you mate  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on June 15, 2014, 02:34:31 PM
Been away all weekend and only just heard this. Got to be the worst decision in the last 10 years. He'll be sacked at Christmas. The players will have no respect for him whatsoever, just like the fans.

I dread to think what the ground will be like should we lose our first few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
After thinking about it all night and all day this appointment makes no sense at all. I
just can't accept this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing boing baggies on June 15, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
Been away all weekend and only just heard this. Got to be the worst decision in the last 10 years. He'll be sacked at Christmas. The players will have no respect for him whatsoever, just like the fans.

I dread to think what the ground will be like should we lose our first few games.

Empty is what it will be!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 15, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Still now I just don't understand it. Most important appointment to create a positive feel and it's f"&£)£?( Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 15, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Thought Peace was trying to correct the wrongs. what bubble do they live in. Last season ticket for me. They f;:£ this up they deserve what they get.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 15, 2014, 03:28:06 PM
Ridiculous process and decision, sick of being mugged off by Peace, wish I could fathom his agenda.
I thought I would never see us in Prem again, but Peace made it happen, now he seems hell bent on taking us back.
Irvine will not be a success, even if we win a few it will be with sickening football, not for me thanks.
At least I can cancel sky sports as I won't be watching for news every day of the transfer window. The type of players we will now attract won't even warrant a banner across the bottom of the screen!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he
That has to go down as one of the daftest posts I've seen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 03:32:06 PM
There is no doubting that the guy is a top coach.  People within the game speak highly of his methods. 

That’s the only positive spin I can put on it at the moment. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 03:40:52 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
There is no doubting that the guy is a top coach.  People within the game speak highly of his methods. 

That’s the only positive spin I can put on it at the moment.

No they don't speak highly oif him at all, not that I know
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Sorry, no we're not, RH had years and years of experience from various leagues and countries, Irvine had just PNE and SW and failed at both  :o

We couldn't be further away from that place, many players who played under him have said his man management skills were appalling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on June 15, 2014, 03:48:00 PM
 Not been on for a while but crikey JP even by your standards this one is from the left field. Cant help but feel a bit for irvine with the impending rabbit in the headlights scenario. One can only assume that after last seasons debacle that JP has decided to get behind the steering wheel once again and that his well worn strategy of "the sum of the parts equals the whole" is again right at the top of the agenda. Expect a string of low budget take a chance signings to bulk out the squad. To be honest im not that bothered who the coach is its more the style of football for me. I would have liked to see pepe mel given a chance to bring in a bit more flair. Will irvine bring a moyes style? If so then I for one will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
No they don't speak highly oif him at all, not that I know

Really?  I've seen several players and a coach say he is a top coach just this morning..
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Sorry mate totally disagree, IMO it is exactly what we need after last season. The behind closed doors bickering, undermining the head coach and obvious lack of passion by the players last season requires a leader. Roy was respected not just for the man he is but his past record. Irvine maybe a good coach but when your on a run of 4 loses is he going to have the nowse and balls to put the players and tactics right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
Really?  I've seen several players and a coach say he is a top coach just this morning..

Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2014, 03:56:25 PM
I've looked at his Sheffield Wednesday results before getting sacked, it included one win in eight games in League one and a 5-1 defeat to Exeter and 4-0 defeat to Leyton Orient. The season before in The Championship when he got them relegated he won 1 of the last 10 games. He got sacked from Preston with 1 win in 8 games. So basically when a team goes on a bad run he hasn't got a clue how to stop it. I'm sure he's a good coach and I'm sure he works well with academy players so he would have been a great appointment for the U21 team but as Head Coach it's an abysmal appointment. His style of football is awful too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

I wonder if Billy Jones saw the writing on the wall?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bilston Dan on June 15, 2014, 04:02:45 PM
I must say I'm trying to find a positive spin to put on this whole appointment of Alan Irvine, but I can't find one. I think we'll have to have a look at what signings we make in the upcoming months. It just doesn't make much sense to me really. Why did we get rid of Pepe Mel and get in Alan Irvine...blows my mind, man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 04:09:41 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

Do you have a link to the quotes of Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?

At this point, avoid relegation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on June 15, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
After his "the buck stops with me" speech and his promise to put things right Peace has gone and stuck his fingers up at the lot of us with this appointment!
Perhaps Father Ted Irvine is a good coach who can improve players but does he have the tactical awareness to out-think other coaches? A look at his record says no!
Will he have the presence in the Albion dressing room to command respect from a bunch of players that have already shown that together they are capable of undermining coaches and getting them the sack. We needed someone with a bit of bottle to sort out the cliques we are plagued with!
I would advise anyone with shares to sell them to Peace because they wont be worth the paper they are written on at this rate!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2014, 04:14:30 PM
Strangely not that annoyed about this. I think largely because Sherwood was so clearly a terrible option, virtually any other option was preferable.

I don't think he'll be a complete disaster here anyway. Reminds me of when Bolton got Megson, much to the anger of their fans, and they never accepted him there, though he did alright league table wise.

I'm huessing there's something more to it than just being a cheap option too. The club could easily have got someone like McInnes who'd have been a reasonably popular choice, if that was the sole intention.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: loui999 on June 15, 2014, 04:25:04 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Nice try Dingle ! Using the words darkness and light give it away, but hey as i said before its funny 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 15, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
Strangely not that annoyed about this. I think largely because Sherwood was so clearly a terrible option, virtually any other option was preferable.

I don't think he'll be a complete disaster here anyway. Reminds me of when Bolton got Megson, much to the anger of their fans, and they never accepted him there, though he did alright league table wise.

I'm huessing there's something more to it than just being a cheap option too. The club could easily have got someone like McInnes who'd have been a reasonably popular choice, if that was the sole intention.

McInnes wouldn't be Downing's Glove puppet thats probably why
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 15, 2014, 04:33:18 PM
Alan fecking Irvine. Still can't believe it. The more I think about it the more crazy it is! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 15, 2014, 04:33:59 PM
Almost 24 hours on and I still can't rationalise the appointment or justify it to myself. I keep thinking of reasons why JP would have done it and none of them make sense.

It's just a bloody, bloody mess.

I acknowledge what JP has done in terms of building the club up from when he took over, but I think as a leader he's clearly peaked and needs to GO NOW.

Peace is now the problem AND PREVENTING THIS CLUB FROM MAKING FURTHER PROGRESS.

He thinks too much about how much he wants to spend instead of how much he can afford to spend.

He could have paid more money to get the coach with genuine ability and experience that he promised us he'd get. That would have been a genuine investment.

Instead he's doing things on the cheap and trousering the change.


 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 15, 2014, 04:38:51 PM
After his "the buck stops with me" speech and his promise to put things right Peace has gone and stuck his fingers up at the lot of us with this appointment!
Perhaps Father Ted Irvine is a good coach who can improve players but does he have the tactical awareness to out-think other coaches? A look at his record says no!
Will he have the presence in the Albion dressing room to command respect from a bunch of players that have already shown that together they are capable of undermining coaches and getting them the sack. We needed someone with a bit of bottle to sort out the cliques we are plagued with!
I would advise anyone with shares to sell them to Peace because they wont be worth the paper they are written on at this rate!
Let's hope Peace keeps his word with the buck stops with me quote and falls on his sword when it all goes t*t's up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 15, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
I wonder if Billy Jones saw the writing on the wall?

I was disgusted and really let down with Thornes recent comments but cant really argue against hes move to put in a transfer request, Playing for Derby will be alot more appealing than us next season i imagine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
I was disgusted and really let down with Thornes recent comments but cant really argue against hes move to put in a transfer request, Playing for Derby will be alot more appealing than us next season i imagine.

Agree, we have basically shown we have no ambition. I would not moan if any of our players handed in a transfer request now, I would not blame them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:04:21 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?

Avoid relegation with some decent games to watch. Anything less would be a total f*** up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:06:15 PM


It's just a bloody, bloody mess.

I acknowledge what JP has done in terms of building the club up from when he took over, but I think as a leader he's clearly peaked and needs to GO NOW.

Peace is now the problem AND PREVENTING THIS CLUB FROM MAKING FURTHER PROGRESS.




I think that says it all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
Who in their right mind will sign for us now?
I cannot see us attracting anyone decent. It'll be like a pub team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on June 15, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 15, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
He is a cut of the same cloth as Roy Hodgson. He will aim to get us incredibly organised and our patterns of play will be rigid and structured. There is very little room for attacking maneuver or flexibility. A large number of fans from both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday have referred to his football as boring, mind numbing so I would imagine we'll be opting for a defensive approach maybe relying on our counter attacking to get us points. I really cannot see us being adventurous and taking the game to our opponents and I would certainly say we'll see a lot of long balls.

I was talking to some of my Wednesday supporting mates earlier about him and they referred to him as a game of chess - players unsure where to go just incase they leave their rigid structure. He's very studious when it comes to detail but appears to get too bogged down in what the opposition are likely to do and therefore forgets what his own side should be doing.

I'm not expecting samba football, just defensive organsiation, boring football and 16,000 incredibly frustrated supporters who appear to have been sold down a river with this appointment.

This is just the thing that turned my stomach when Irvine was announced. It shows our club is aiming to do it's own version of Pulisball. Negative, super defensive football aimed at grounding out results. I have no problems with organized teams, in fact it is a fundamental part of any team, but this appointment shows that our philosophy will not be "good football" but more of the RH boring football at best, which I am sure Keith Downing took to heart. This is the culture shock that Pepe Mel and the club had. We are gearing up to play rubbish football just to tread water in the Prem. Boring.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 15, 2014, 05:21:12 PM
Who in their right mind will sign for us now?
I cannot see us attracting anyone decent. It'll be like a pub team.

At the moment unless we surpass ourselves in the transfer market this summer ( which is almost impossible now on many grounds) I cannot see anything bar relegation. Even if we do have a better kitty than usual I cannot see Irvine attracting the right players or signing the right players. I suspect that if we are in the bottom three in November and playing dross Irvine will be on his way. I just hope Peace  lines some up first this time before he is sacked - undoubtedly there will be some good candidates about by then.

Right now I am at my lowest ebb as an Albion fan since Buckley lost 12 on the bounce including 0-3 at home to the Dingles indeed relegation has come easier as we have gone down with the squad to come back up. Very very depressing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Moleskine on June 15, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
We won't win in the first ten games and he'll be sacked. Let's hope. Absolutely pathetic appointment.

I've lost interest in this football club over the last 18 months and yesterday was the last straw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 15, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.

All of the above is worthy of consideration.  Also, being devil's advocate really, you have to wonder what would have happened if Tim had got his way and then it had turned out to be a disaster. I for one am prepared to give Irvine a chance, but only because 1)I'm old and I remember the REAL hungry years 2)I don't see what choice there is now for next season.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 05:29:15 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.

This is a very good post, well thought out tb80.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 15, 2014, 05:29:35 PM
For those who say give him chance, yes,  I will go up to the Hawthorns start of the  new season , just as I would if we'd appointed the chief scout of Alloa Athletic or the head coach of Solihull Moors (women's section).  However....he will have to hit the ground running as I imagine people's patience will run out pretty rapidly if results are poor. Whereas managers with a decent track record and a bright innovative approach might be given more time, I'm afraid Irvine will not have that luxury, as this is so obviously an accident waiting to happen. 

To be honest apart from with us, I can't recall Irvine being linked with any other jobs. I suppose we don't need to ask why Everton didn't consider him for their vacancy when Moyes left. And Moyes didn't apparently even try to take him as an ASSISTANT to Old Trafford. What does that tell you?

I understand our budgetary situation is not the same as for most Premier clubs, but I still can't get my head around the fact that we couldn't attract a coach with a more impressive track record. The premier league is watched from around the World and there are 20 head coach/managers jobs, of which only a proportion will be free at any time. In other words,  the supply of quality potential coaches must far exceed the number of vacancies. Did we even try for Ronald Koeman, who wants to manage in the Premier league and who has led some big clubs?

I will be watching Irvine's progress with hyper-critical eyes, along with 20-25,000 other Albion fans. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 05:39:11 PM
i am totally mystified by the expression best available...............if this bloke is the best available then there must be some pretty  poor coaches in bloody good jobs!! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
Alex McLeish tenure at Villa was always going to end in failure, the appointment of Irvine has the same feel about it.

If it is simply about the coaching badge Aidy Boothroyd would have been a better appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.

So, as an Albion fan you want the club to fail so that you can tell us 'I told you so'........... hmmm alternative view I guess.

As for there being no positives, well I'm sure I've read a few posted on here today but then again, yourself & many others seem to have made up your minds before the guy has pulled on a tracksuit.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 06:07:25 PM
So, as an Albion fan you want the club to fail so that you can tell us 'I told you so'........... hmmm alternative view I guess.

As for there being no positives, well I'm sure I've read a few posted on here today but then again, yourself & many others seem to have made up your minds before the guy has pulled on a tracksuit.

It's not a case of truly wanting us to fail, it's more a realisation that is the direction we are heading.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on June 15, 2014, 06:09:07 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent

Good god. Driving him out before he even starts, nice one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent
from just down the N332 i doff my cap sir :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
You know what, Irvine is doomed to failure.....why?

Not because he is a bad coach....unlike most on here I'm prepared to give him a chance

He'll fail because of all the doom merchants on here who are not prepared to even let the season start before turning against the club.

This is no way to support the team, whether you agree with Peace or not...we support West Bromwich Albion.

We may not agree with the decision but unless anybody fancies buying Peace out and making the decisions, this is what we have.

It may not work out but the least we can do is support the team and do our bit to make it work.

Peace is not going anywhere so anybody who is not prepared to support the team may as well stay at home....we don't need the negativity.

We are supporters......thick or thin.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:18:20 PM
It's not a case of truly wanting us to fail, it's more a realisation that is the direction we are heading.

Sorry mate but you cannot unequivocally state what direction the club is going before Irvine has been in the job 5 minutes.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
You know what, Irvine is doomed to failure.....why?

Not because he is a bad coach....unlike most on here I'm prepared to give him a chance

He'll fail because of all the doom merchants on here who are not prepared to even let the season start before turning against the club.

This is no way to support the team, whether you agree with Peace or not...we support West Bromwich Albion.

We may not agree with the decision but unless anybody fancies buying Peace out and making the decisions, this is what we have.

It may not work out but the least we can do is support the team and do our bit to make it work.

Peace is not going anywhere so anybody who is not prepared to support the team may as well stay at home....we don't need the negativity.

We are supporters......thick or thin.

We have just finished what can only be described as an awful season.

Supporters simply wanted the season to come to an end so we could look forward.

The club had an opportunity to give us renewed hope.

They have failed miserably.

Having saved money by appointing a second class coach, will Peace restore our faith by giving us 4 or 5 top quality signings. I know what I think the answer will be.

Whilst I remain a fan, I have lost all hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 06:30:04 PM
We have just finished what can only be described as an awful season.

Supporters simply wanted the season to come to an end so we could look forward.

The club had an opportunity to give us renewed hope.

They have failed miserably.

Having saved money by appointing a second class coach, will Peace restore our faith by giving us 4 or 5 top quality signings. I know what I think the answer will be.

Whilst I remain a fan, I have lost all hope.
I do actually agree with many posts, it is a very underwhelming appointment.

But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.

The last thing we want is the fans turning against the team in the first game if it is not going well.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:30:37 PM
Do you have a link to the quotes of Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie please.
As several people keep repeating it, I'm looking forward to someone posting all the quotes that say what a great coach Irvine is. After all, Preston and Sheff Wed did so well under him.....

Someone else posted that he's a great no. 2. There's an interesting alternative connotation to that that I'll leave people to think about for themselves, and perhaps the original poster was sarcastically implying this, but Irvine hasn't been a successful assistant manager anywhere that I can see from his record, so perhaps someone can put me straight on that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent
Just to balance it out  ;)

Dear Mr Irvine

Please note that whilst speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans on this forum, alicantebaggie does not speak for myself & a few others.

You have taken on a job that would be difficult if you had the backing of every WBA fan on the planet following last seasons shenanigans, I feel this appointment will test you mentally as well as physically & you may come to regret it, however, I for one hope you prove a lot of people wrong & do a fine job at the Albion.

Welcome aboard & the very best of luck (you're going to need it my friend)
 
academy@evertonfc.com
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 15, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
I think it's wrong to personally target Irvine. If you were in his shoes you'd take the job in a heartbeat. The board need to be criticised, not Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.
Fans need and deserve to be respected by the club they support. If that doesn't happen, things unravel. Therefore, given the contempt with which Albion fans have been treated for some time in a number of respects, "show some support" doesn't really cut it anymore as far as the present regime is concerned. They have taken the club away from the fans, so can have no complaints at all for the fans going away from them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
I guess 99% of people like me unhappy with this choice will in the ground back the players, back Irvine during and before a game so if folk want to vent their spleen then they are welcome to do so on this forum, thats the point of this forum so people can say what they feel so can we cut the stuff trying to make out some are not proper fans by not agreeing with this decision.

Some are happy with it, some not happy with it but happy to see how it goes and some not happy, none of them make you a better fan, supporter or whatever and none of it makes anyone a dingle, a villa fan, fickle or the rest of the pointless comments we're getting on here.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
I agree with a lot of what you said Johnthebaggie!

How we laughed at Villa when they protested and cried about getting Mcleish, the bloke never had a chance and they are no better off now then when he left, yet here we are now doing the same thing.

There was probably only 1 or 2 appointments who would of pleased everybody if this forum is anything to by - Moyes, Jol, Sherwood, Hughton, Mackay, Mcinnes, etc to name a few 50% of our fans would of accepted, the other 50% would of moaned.

Nobody wanted Alan Irvine but the fact is he is here now so why not give him a chance, people may well be proved right and he may be a disaster, but the same was said when we appointed Gary Megson and he didnt do too bad did he? Also playng wise - Billy Jones and Gareth McAuley were written off a few years ago for having the nerve to be bettering themselves and joining Albion despite not playing in the Prem, people are given chances, its how they take them but at least give them the fair opportunity.

I think Irvine does have to hit the ground running, but if we have 12 points after 6 games nobody will be saying a word, if come xmas we are in the s**t then all our worst fears are confirmed but whether we want him, like him or whatever he is here, so hopefully by the time the season comes we can give him a chance.

As somebody said above, i remember the dark old days and when you think back to those days, these arent so bad after all, 5 years in the premiership on the bounce, nice ground, a good academy (few bits need ironing out), not in debt, and the chance between now and the start of the season to build a new team, can think of worst positions to be in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
Dear Mr Irvine

Please note that whilst speaking for the majority of Albion fans on this forum, alicantebaggie does not speak for myself & a few others.
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

I haven't had the opportunity to chat to any of those yet?  On record what have they said about him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Only quotes from players / staff so far i have seen has been Terry McDermott who said he was a great coahc and Sean St Ledger who said he is the best coach he has worked with.

Havent seen any yet from players / staff against him so has anybody got any of these quotes out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
As several people keep repeating it, I'm looking forward to someone posting all the quotes that say what a great coach Irvine is. After all, Preston and Sheff Wed did so well under him.....

Someone else posted that he's a great no. 2. There's an interesting alternative connotation to that that I'll leave people to think about for themselves, and perhaps the original poster was sarcastically implying this, but Irvine hasn't been a successful assistant manager anywhere that I can see from his record, so perhaps someone can put me straight on that?

This doesn't really answer my question in the post you highlighted.

A post inferred that Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie had negative opinions regarding AI & I asked for a link, as yet not forthcoming.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 06:39:31 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent

Oh dear, that really is pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
I do actually agree with many posts, it is a very underwhelming appointment.

But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.

The last thing we want is the fans turning against the team in the first game if it is not going well.

Come the start of the season fans will show support, however the problem remains that Irvine is a very poor choice, as such it is clear he will become a scapegoat the minute things start to go wrong.

Whilst I do not want Irvine as head coach I do feel sorry for him as he is on a hiding to nothing.

This all stems back to the contempt of a chairman, who remains untouchable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?

Modified in the name of supporter accuracy  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Only quotes from players / staff so far i have seen has been Terry McDermott who said he was a great coahc and Sean St Ledger who said he is the best coach he has worked with.

Havent seen any yet from players / staff against him so has anybody got any of these quotes out of curiosity?

Darren Carter also said he was a great coach. FFS, hope I'm not on the wrong side of the dock with some of you on jury service.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:07:53 PM
Fans need and deserve to be respected by the club they support. If that doesn't happen, things unravel. Therefore, given the contempt with which Albion fans have been treated for some time in a number of respects, "show some support" doesn't really cut it anymore as far as the present regime is concerned. They have taken the club away from the fans, so can have no complaints at all for the fans going away from them.
I realise many fans are getting disillusioned but Irvine doesn't deserve some of the stuff being thrown at him.

Everyone deserves a chance to do the job given to them.

At the moment he's a dead man walking regardless of whether he's any good or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:11:58 PM
I realise many fans are getting disillusioned but Irvine doesn't deserve some of the stuff being thrown at him.

Everyone deserves a chance to do the job given to them.

At the moment he's a dead man walking regardless of whether he's any good or not.

Whilst I agree, surely the board should have considered the backlash in naming Irvine head coach.

Had they of spoken with me Saturday morning I could have predicted the fans response, are they so far removed that they thought fans would welcome Irvine with open arms.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:14:43 PM
I guess 99% of people like me unhappy with this choice will in the ground back the players, back Irvine during and before a game so if folk want to vent their spleen then they are welcome to do so on this forum, thats the point of this forum so people can say what they feel so can we cut the stuff trying to make out some are not proper fans by not agreeing with this decision.

Some are happy with it, some not happy with it but happy to see how it goes and some not happy, none of them make you a better fan, supporter or whatever and none of it makes anyone a dingle, a villa fan, fickle or the rest of the pointless comments we're getting on here.

I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:17:54 PM
I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.

What does that have to do with any of the posts on here ?

To question someones support because they disagree with a decision is just as bad at the other end of the scale.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:20:49 PM
I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.

What utter rubbish!

Whilst I hate Villa and Wolves their fans are no different to any other club and contain a diverse mix of characters.

As fans they are passionate about their club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
Whilst I agree, surely the board should have considered the backlash in naming Irvine head coach.

Had they of spoken with me Saturday morning I could have predicted the fans response, are they so far removed that they thought fans would welcome Irvine with open arms.
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol

I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

Even then people would still moan if it wasn't their choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
Do you know what, if I'm Alan Irvine with all this vitreol thrown at me, I think I might change my mind. What then, another 4 weeks before we appoint a head coach?
None of the others in the frame were that inspiring either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Do you know what, if I'm Alan Irvine with all this vitreol thrown at me, I think I might change my mind. What then, another 4 weeks before we appoint a head coach?
None of the others in the frame were that inspiring either.

Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

That appears to be what everyone thought Peace's statement of 23rd May meant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
What utter rubbish!

Whilst I hate Villa and Wolves their fans are no different to any other club and contain a diverse mix of characters.

As fans they are passionate about their club.

When was the last time we had a banner put up like that?

When was the last time Wolves or Villa had one? Oh last season, the season before that and the season before that one....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 07:31:57 PM
Can we have another new head coach please before we reach 100 pages on this topic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 07:34:19 PM
Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc

The problem that needs addressing is the same problem every time, Downing and Kiely we will not get another decent head coach whilst they are forced to work with those two.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol

I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

Even then people would still moan if it wasn't their choice.

Oh come on!

No one is asking for a vote, and you will certainly never please everyone.

However, after last season what we needed was renewed hope.

The appointment of Irvine has removed any hope I had for next season, the only way it will return is if Peace provides the 5 or 6 quality players we need.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on June 15, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Someone ain't happy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=00JhUADQCCY

Brilliant
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:43:46 PM
What does that have to do with any of the posts on here ?

To question someones support because they disagree with a decision is just as bad at the other end of the scale.

People are talking on here about taking their bed sheets to games? Same idea as hanging one up on the gates really.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with a decision, the way someone reacts to a decision though can certainly be questioned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:44:28 PM
Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc


As far as I know, we're the only club in the EPL who truly follow the "Head Coach" philosophy. Strategy, at WBA, is determined at board level & coaches are required to develop the tactics to execute the strategy. At all of the other clubs, the "Head Coach" or Manager is heavily involved in developing the strategy.
It's impossible to know for certain, but as far as I can see, the strategic approach for WBA, is to retain our EPL status & have a serious attempt to compete in domestic cup competitions. JP has made it known on a number of occasions that he has no wish for us to compete in the Europa League as the return on investment is too small, & facing an early exit may even cost.
With JP at the helm, we are what we are & unless or until he moves on that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
This doesn't really answer my question in the post you highlighted.

A post inferred that Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie had negative opinions regarding AI & I asked for a link, as yet not forthcoming.
I was asking for you to back up your claim that "Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game". It'll take more than a couple of quotes to convince me of that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:48:01 PM
People are talking on here about taking their bed sheets to games? Same idea as hanging one up on the gates really.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with a decision, the way someone reacts to a decision though can certainly be questioned.

I take it back about the sheets as there are some now on here.

To question support is out of order and gives out a superior tone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 15, 2014, 07:51:41 PM
The problem that needs addressing is the same problem every time, Downing and Kiely we will not get another decent head coach whilst they are forced to work with those two.

It's less a question of those two and more a question of money.

JP is doing it on the cheap. Again.  We speculated and speculated on these boards over the last few weeks putting forward the names and debating the relative merits of them.

Okay, there was disagreement, but what virtually all of them had in common was that they were realistic choices based on the fact that they either had a reasonable track record and/or experience, or they showed the potential to be up to the job.

And all because he won't spend the money and properly invest in a bloke who has the brains, skill and nous to stabilise this first team, we get this appointment, something none of us saw coming.

I really want Alan Irvine to do well. I don't wish the man ill. And I sure as hell hope he doesn't fall ill trying to perform what's going to be a herculean task.

But for the love of Jesus Christ, his virgin mother, his holy father and all the disciples including Judas, WHY HAS THIS GUY GOT THE GIG?

BECAUSE HE'S A CHEAPER OPTION.

END OF.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:58:42 PM
Oh come on!

No one is asking for a vote, and you will certainly never please everyone.

However, after last season what we needed was renewed hope.

The appointment of Irvine has removed any hope I had for next season, the only way it will return is if Peace provides the 5 or 6 quality players we need.
It was tongue in cheek.....lol.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 15, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Imaginative attacking football that was an absolute disaster and nearly got us relegated, no thanks we may as well of kept with Mowbray. Mel had an ideal that was attractive to watch until the opposition won possession and scored. He was defensively naive at best.

Protesting before the guy has been given a chance is ridiculous, give him 10 games and lets see how the players respond during close season and in the start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 08:07:10 PM
Can we have another new head coach please before we reach 100 pages on this topic.
i would like a new one before we get to 27 pages!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 15, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Absolutely spot on - where there was hope, now there is none.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Critical Baggie on June 15, 2014, 08:19:12 PM
It's been a good year I think since my last post on here after emigrating out the country and having to observe everything from the outside through media and now really lacking being part of Albion as much as I was for the past 10 seasons I had following the club home and away, but the news on Alan Irvine's appointment has really made me so livid I feel I have to take it out on here.

How on earth can a manager of Irvine's track record at Sheffield Wednesday and PNE ever merit him landing a Premier League managerial position? It's outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised if most Championship football fans were disappointed in this as an appointment for them. It stinks of 'lack of ambition' and again show's Peace to be the penny pinching accountant he truly is. How is this guy ever going to take us forward, how is he the person to rebuild a premier league team from scratch an, get them organised and  get them winning again?

Yet another 'Yes' man to shove in front of the camera's and downgrade our club as something not worth of the Premier League; 'a team punching above their weight'; well Peace will sure have his wish and will be reaping the consequences of losing those riches come next May.

And for the disappointment of those 16,000 naive fans that trusted Peace to turn things around, give us some optimism, give us some hope and a appointment to rally the players and fans alike then appoint nothing more than a puppet coach; shame on you sir, shame on you!

No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant. We wouldn't of minded the Premier League Blackburn winning captain, instead we get the Insurance Broker from Queens Park. SOS.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 08:29:43 PM
It's been a good year I think since my last post on here after emigrating out the country and having to observe everything from the outside through media and now really lacking being part of Albion as much as I weas for the 10 seasons I had following the club home and away, but the news on Alan Irvine's appointment has really made me so livid I feel I have to take it out on here.

How on earth can a manager of Irvine's track record at Sheffield Wednesday and PNE ever merit him landing a Premier League managerial position. It's outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised if most Championship football fans were disappointed in this as an appointment for them. It stinks of 'lack of ambition' and again show's Peace to be the penny pinching accountant he truly is. How is this guy ever going to take us forward, how is this the person to rebuild a premier league team from scratch and get them organised and winning again?

Yet another 'Yes' man to shove in front of the camera's and downgrade our club as something not worth of the Premier League; 'a team punching above their weight'; well Peace will sure have their wish and will be reaping the consequences of losing those riches come next May. And for the disappointment of those 16,000 naive fans that trusted Peace to turn things around, give us some optimism, give us some hope and a appointment to rally the players and fans alike to appointment nothing more than a puppet coach; shame on you sir, shame on you!

No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant. We wouldn't of minded the Premier League Blackburn winning captain, instead we get the Insurance Broker from Queens Park.

Fantastic post mate. You've clearly saved that up!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 08:35:30 PM
Sorry mate but you cannot unequivocally state what direction the club is going before Irvine has been in the job 5 minutes.
 

Who said I'm basing my judgement on a managerial appointment? You've made that assumption.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 08:41:06 PM
i would like a new one before we get to 27 pages!!!!!

I would like one before we get to the end of page 25.... :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 08:43:21 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Absolutely cock on Worcs !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:02:29 PM
One of the things that's wetting me off most is some of our own supporters 'Who do we think we are / who did we think we were going to get?' attitude.

We are about to enter our 5th successive season of Premier League football. Our squad contains men who have played / play international football for England, Argentina, and more. We supplied the current England manager.

Who did I think we were going to get? Somebody who hadn't completely messed up in League 1!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:06:13 PM
Someone ain't happy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=00JhUADQCCY

Brilliant
That is amazing. Cheered me up immensely  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:10:33 PM
Lets just get this straight for the non-believers

ANY PROTEST MUST BE AGAINST PEACE, NOT IRVINE.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless in all of this as at the end of the day, alls he's done is to accept a job offer, FFS, who wouldn't from his position.

HOWEVER,

That useless piece of s*** who offered him the job is the one and only who will be protested against and deserves EVERYTHING that comes his was. The penny pinching, unscrupulous, manipulative, soul destroying b*****d that he is !!

I absolutely detest the bloke for what he has done here. This club has more money than it has EVER had and all we can afford is the youth coach from Everton............unbelievable !!

PROTEST THIS SATURDAY MORNING AT THE CLUB FOR THOSE WITH THE GUMPTION !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 09:16:27 PM
Lets just get this straight for the non-believers

ANY PROTEST MUST BE AGAINST PEACE, NOT IRVINE.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless in all of this as at the end of the day, alls he's done is to accept a job offer, FFS, who wouldn't from his position.

HOWEVER,

That useless piece of s*** who offered him the job is the one and only who will be protested against and deserves EVERYTHING that comes his was. The penny pinching, unscrupulous, manipulative, soul destroying b*****d that he is !!

I absolutely detest the bloke for what he has done here. This club has more money than it has EVER had and all we can afford is the youth coach from Everton............unbelievable !!

PROTEST THIS SATURDAY MORNING AT THE CLUB FOR THOSE WITH THE GUMPTION !!!

A call to arms!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
For me if Irvine has any sense he should resign now.He should not have excepted such a position going on his past failings.He knows he is out of his depth.Loose the first 2 games in a negative style that hes likely going to bring with him, its going to be a pressure cooker for him.Stand down now Irvine.
See you Saturday morning folks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on June 15, 2014, 09:18:37 PM
Ive had to join the forum to vent my anger, Irvine is a poor choice like we all know.
About 20% of the fans will think its an ok appointment, id rather have had mad mick mcarthy has at least you could argue he has experience. Irvine has never been successful as a manger thats why he went back to the youth, you cant argue facts. Hes been appointed because he wont have his own views and will happy coach what he his given, and when he fails he will go back to youth management.

I wish him all the best but the hawthorns will be a hostile place next season towards peace and when the results go against us irvine will feel it too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
One of the things I really don't understand is... we rejected the guy when we appointed Di Matteo. If he is good enough for us now, why wasn't he then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
One of the things I really don't understand is... we rejected the guy when we appointed Di Matteo. If he is good enough for us now, why wasn't he then?
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 09:31:09 PM
in my time of attending Albion games we have had just under 30 managers(excluding caretakers), Hagan was the first and this is the most inexplicable appointment of the lot,it is also quite probably in the worst 3 or 4 ability wise. Just over 24 hours later and why Irvine is still as mystifying now as it was at the time >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 09:48:07 PM
in my time of attending Albion games we have had just under 30 managers(excluding caretakers), Hagan was the first and this is the most inexplicable appointment of the lot,it is also quite probably in the worst 3 or 4 ability wise. Just over 24 hours later and why Irvine is still as mystifying now as it was at the time >:(
I've asked myself time and again to try and see some logic in this, but can't come up with anything.
Even thinking back to what turned out to be bad appointments like Saunders- had success at Villa, Gould-good spells at Wimbledon and Coventry, Buckley- did well at Grimsby, Little- Won Villa's first silverware for 15 years, Smith- again did well at Oxford but Irvine, all he's achieved is failure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 15, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
If irvine had been appointed Exeter city manager yesterday,  I would of thought he is lucky to get that job with his track record.
WTF is he doing turning up at Albion, Premier League. I cant get my head around it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:59:51 PM
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.

That's his story. But I still think if we had wanted him enough then, we'd have got him.

And if we didn't, why would we now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
Does anybody know if burton and irvine have a history of being friends?  Which has helped irvines application

Im really struggling to find the reasons for this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:06:04 PM
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:06:20 PM
Southampton are about to appoint Ronald Koeman, this makes me very sad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Does anybody know if burton and irvine have a history of being friends?  Which has helped irvines application

Im really struggling to find the reasons for this
It's starting to get a "jobs for the old boys" smell about it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on June 15, 2014, 10:07:56 PM
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
True but when you take into account the comments on Twitter and Facebook it starts to add up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AllBlackBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
I reckon the guy needs a chance - pointless bagging the bugger.  Let his actions speak for him - if he is useless, there is no doubt he will be dumped like many before him.  JP is running a business, this is what modern day football is about.  Another symptom of modern football is that the England team have very few players in the EPL - money rules, get used to it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Irvine has been out of management for 3 years.....why is that ? It must either be that he decided management wasn't for him and went back to academy coaching jobs OR he couldn't find a job. Out of the blue he now takes over a premier league club, this has to be one of the most illogical appointments in premier league history.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:16:17 PM
Irvine has been out of management for 3 years.....why is that ? It must either be that he decided management wasn't for him and went back to academy coaching jobs OR he couldn't find a job. Out of the blue he now takes over a premier league club, this has to be one of the most illogical appointments in premier league history.
He is still out of management in your sense of the word. He is appointed as head coach and part of a team of management. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on June 15, 2014, 10:21:06 PM
He is still out of management in your sense of the word. He is appointed as head coach and part of a team of management.

You state a 'team of management' but the Head Coach is still the most influential member of the team, henceforth Adder's point remains valid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
You state a 'team of management' but the Head Coach is still the most influential member of the team, henceforth Adder's point remains valid.
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 10:44:08 PM
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?

If as a club we choose to not go down the typical English way, why don't we pay a top European coach who is willing to work within the clubs philosophy, rather than appoint one who is better suited to an academy set up.

Alternatively go for someone like Steve McClaren.

The reason as always is down to cost.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 10:44:36 PM
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?
But in any coaching setup there is ultimately one man with the final say on things and who has the major control of team setup.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
But in any coaching setup there is ultimately one man with the final say on things and who has the major control of team setup.
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant.
He wasn't Moyes' assistant at Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 15, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .

And several other key players and coaches were and will continue to be pants, haven't paid the penalty and will continue to be paid by mugs like us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
If you read the full wording of what I responded to, he was only making reference to the forum. Having said that, you reckon Albion fans in general are more accepting of it than on the online forums?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 15, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
I agree. in any setup there as to be a leader of sorts and the trouble with this one is there isn't one and thats been the problem since we have had it,
The only man that brought both of these to the table was uncle Roy.
We have no leader on or off the pitch so get ready for more of the same.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 15, 2014, 11:13:17 PM
Its changed a few times today, but Irvine's Wiki profile currently reads:

'West Bromwich Albion

On 14 June 2014 West Bromwich Albion announced that Irvine would fill their vacant Head Coach role on a 12-month contract,[11] his first management work in the Premier League. He has been referred to as the "Special One" due to his special low cost, lack of ambition appointment by Jeremy Peace.'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:18:48 PM
He wasn't Moyes' assistant at Everton.
Preston I am told?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on June 15, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie004 on June 15, 2014, 11:31:04 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

i have had the same thoughts reading some of these posts.  Im not pleased, as i was hoping Sherwood was the next man in charge. However, we do have t=get behind the man in charge and follow the team through 'Thick and Thin'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 11:34:53 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

I have no doubt most supporters will give the bloke a chance, however anyone who thinks he will not be hung out to dry the minute something goes wrong is deluded.

A bigger name would be afforded more time, for that reason alone the board have made a massive mistake.

I fear a Steve Kean type situation, where Irvine will quickly become the scapegoat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:39:21 PM
Preston I am told?
Can't say I know one way or the other about that. The Preston page on Wikipedia says: "Moyes left for Everton in March 2002 and his assistant Kelham O'Hanlon took over for the remainder of the season".

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:45:24 PM
Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

Everybody in the game is "highly rated" by those in the game

And fans trot it out without having a clue what any of these guys actually do - or even how to quantify what makes a good coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on June 15, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

Explain what this 'something' is - or even his positive points?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 11:53:15 PM
I have no doubt most supporters will give the bloke a chance, however anyone who thinks he will not be hung out to dry the minute something goes wrong is deluded.

A bigger name would be afforded more time, for that reason alone the board have made a massive mistake.

I fear a Steve Kean type situation, where Irvine will quickly become the scapegoat.

Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 11:55:52 PM
Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?
I think if you read most posts they are aimed at JP and the board and not necessarily at AI!  People have stated they dont want him but as far as I am aware they blame JP & the board!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 12:02:13 AM
After a day for it to sink in I've been trying to get my head around this appointment. The two things I keep coming back to is that this guy came close to getting the job before we appointed RDM 1. How come he's never been deemed good enough since, when we've changed managers 2. What has he done in the time since to improve his cv that he's now the best candidate?!

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 16, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
I think if you read most posts they are aimed at JP and the board and not necessarily at AI!  People have stated they dont want him but as far as I am aware they blame JP & the board!

I read an email sent to AI current workplace telling him to eff off and one quickly followed up with welcome to the club. I just want our anger to be aimed at Peace and the board. The anger displayed against Kean was a waste of time and in some cases were uncalled for. Let's not see AI standing on the touch line with people screaming abuse at him behind the dugout. Turn around and aim it at the directors box.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: neoblue on June 16, 2014, 12:12:50 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 12:13:24 AM
I read an email sent to AI current workplace telling him to eff off and one quickly followed up with welcome to the club. I just want our anger to be aimed at Peace and the board. The anger displayed against Kean was a waste of time and in some cases were uncalled for. Let's not see AI standing on the touch line with people screaming abuse at him behind the dugout. Turn around and aim it at the directors box.

Problem is I wouldn't put it past Peace not to attend the first few homes games and if they turn out to be bad results they'll be no one in the directors box to aim the abuse at. I'd hate for a Kean situation up there but unfortunately I can see it going that way....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 12:50:00 AM
Who said I'm basing my judgement on a managerial appointment? You've made that assumption.

Theres clearly no assumption, heres your original post that I replied to, just incase you forgot.

Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.


I'm sure you mentioned a managerial appointment somewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 16, 2014, 01:51:51 AM
Ok I've had some time to think about this and something wonderful has hit me.
Irvine has been stated as part of a coaching team.... that being said, when we have 3 points from 12 games then the whole coaching team should be fired. That means goodbye Pinky and Perky too!
I'd accept relegation to get those two moved on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: phat_vapor on June 16, 2014, 02:49:23 AM
After a day for it to sink in I've been trying to get my head around this appointment. The two things I keep coming back to is that this guy came close to getting the job before we appointed RDM 1. How come he's never been deemed good enough since, when we've changed managers 2. What has he done in the time since to improve his cv that he's now the best candidate?!

the only thing i can think of why hes got the job is because hes done a great job at everton youth set up and jp did say in the statement he made he wanted the next head coach to bring through the youth from u21's but i still f****** hate jp
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Vassassin on June 16, 2014, 05:29:39 AM
West Bromwich Albion[edit]On 14 June 2014 West Bromwich Albion announced that Irvine would fill their vacant Head Coach role on a 12-month contract,[11] his first management work in the Premier League. He has been referred to as the "Special One" due to his special low cost, lack of ambition appointment by Jeremy Peace.
On Mr. Irvine's Wikipedia page, I had to try and somehow understand his connection to football, clear as mud now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 16, 2014, 05:34:21 AM
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.

no he just assumed he had the job and said a couple of things he shouldn't

and when we went and hired RDM he had to change his story to appease the Preston Fan etc...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 16, 2014, 06:22:45 AM
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .
Don't want to drag this on but.... at any club, you get individuals disillusioned with various things / not getting picked/ playing out of position/ want a move away / handling personal issues / team arguments / dissent at tactics etc. etc.
It's not possible (or shouldn't be) for Irvine to divorce himself from all this. I view this as the man / team management aspect that someone has to handle....surely that has to be the man at the top in dealing with the team i.e. head coach....he can't just coach and do nothing else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 06:47:24 AM

Yet another 'short term' appointment by a hire and fire chairman.

There is an interesting piece from an ITV journalist and WBA fan Daniel Hewitt who I have worked with in the past and he's spot on when he says that Albion (aside from RH) under Jeremy Peace have appointed a candidate that is 'grateful' for the opportunity.

Tony Mowbray was a gamble which worked for a time until he got found out in the PL, RDM had never managed higher than League One. SC had never managed but his time working for the likes of Jose Mourinho, Kenny Dalglish and Sir Bobby Robson gave people something to cling on to.

Pepe Mel was grateful of the chance to manage in England and it was seen as a change in philosophy if you like.

This appointment, however, is a complete, utter joke. Name me another club in the PL (or Championship for that matter) who would have appointed Alan Irvine?

That's not me slating Alan Irvine (who is a nice bloke), it's simply the fact that there are many better candidates suited to the role.

Just over two years ago we had the current England manager in charge of first team affairs, so why on earth are we now appointing a guy who got sacked from PNE and got Sheffield Wednesday relegated to League One?

Mid-table Championship club? This is more like a League One appointment, this guy got nowhere near the Wolves post when Kenny Jackett was appointed....that says it all.

Would Brighton & Hove Albion have considered Irvine? In short, they'd have screwed his application up and threw it in the bin immediately!

When Irvine is dismissed I'm going to apply for the job for the following reasons -

1) I've no experience
2) I'm cheap
3) I don't have any assistants to bring with me
4) Happy with loans and Bosmans
5) Will accept the blame when it goes wrong.

See you when I'm appointed.

Absolutely disgraceful 12-18 months at West Bromwich Albion which is not about to get any better in the slightest.

As for Rob Kelly......enough said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 16, 2014, 07:02:58 AM
Whe Dan Ashworth was here , we had a philosophy of playing some good technical football aided by some cheap players with some technical ability.
The acadamy was also srarting to bring players through with some good technical ability,

What happens now with this appointment Alan Irvine is in the david moyes style of coaches
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 16, 2014, 07:34:16 AM
Can't say I know one way or the other about that. The Preston page on Wikipedia says: "Moyes left for Everton in March 2002 and his assistant Kelham O'Hanlon took over for the remainder of the season".

Alan Irvine was first team coach at Preston and the reason that he didn't take over when Moyes left for Everton is that Moyes took him with him as Everton first team coach. A good while later Irvine left Everton to take the manager's job at Preston and then Wednesday and then back to Everton as Academy Director.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 16, 2014, 07:34:49 AM
My head still hurts,  I just don't get it.  The worst thing about all of this is we are going to fill our squad with players Downing and Irvine want and then be stuck with them when it all goes tits up. We had a really fantastic chance to rejuvenate our entire set up and start how we mean to go on..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:51:44 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.

Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 07:55:25 AM
Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?

You don't need an Everton fan to do that mate. I can...he's desperate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:55:38 AM
I tell you what, you see Saints about to employ Koeman, look at his previous clubs and his record at them, then look at who we've got and his record and previous clubs as a manager/head coach and it makes you feel a bit sick. Galling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
According to Colin, Irvine is not a motivator he cant  motivate in a dressing room.So whos going to do the teamtalk.Olsson maybe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 16, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
The only thing i disagree with from Albion fans on this board is that there is a positive in all this, We will be playing our real rivals in a year and will get to face off against the wolves something i have missed being in the top flight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 16, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.
Welcome and thanks for the best wishes I and the rest of this board fear we will need them!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:07:36 AM
The only thing i disagree with from Albion fans on this board is that there is a positive in all this, We will be playing our real rivals in a year and will get to face off against the wolves something i have missed being in the top flight.


They might get promoted and Vila are our real rivals :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:09:20 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.



Hello Friend.I am devestated.The lowest i have felt in years supporting the Albion.This man might be an ok coach but look at his managerial record.Its a big worry.I understand the man cant motivate either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 16, 2014, 08:11:32 AM


Hello Friend.I am devestated.The lowest i have felt in years supporting the Albion.This man might be an ok coach but look at his managerial record.Its a big worry.I understand the man cant motivate either

Are you sure Irvine is even going to be the head coach ? Im not i think theres only going to be one man who will be having the biggest influence on the dressing room.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 08:12:50 AM
two days on and I still dont believe what the accountant has done to our club  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 16, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
Albion are 5/2 to be relegated, BUYING MONEY LUMP ON!  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:27:27 AM
Are you sure Irvine is even going to be the head coach ? Im not i think theres only going to be one man who will be having the biggest influence on the dressing room.


Who will that one man be
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 16, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?

How oxymoronic. How about give him time to produce whatever results he gets.

Some of the bile spouted on here is worse than the appointment. I'm not happy with it but wishing the club gets relegated to shock though powers at be is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Villa did this to McLeish and he couldn't have won that lot over even if results were good.

The person who wrote to the Everton academy email, I'm sorry mate but that's bang out of order. You're making this club and it's fans look pathetic. I appreciate people are angry and I appreciate you want to vent and be angry and shout and stamp your feet. But wishing we lose games and get relegated and writing emails to future employees (or more than likely someone else who reads the email, decides you and by association the rest of the clubs fans are an ar*ehole and then delete it) is counter productive. I appreciate you're angry at the club but Irivine is not to blame. The fact people WANT him to fail is disgusting - why not direct that passion at WANTING him and THE CLUB to do well. At the end of the day if results are good it doesn't matter if Mpuronho, Irvine or Doris the tea lady are at the helm. Unless you actively hate him personally, Irvine hasn't done anything wrong yet.

If you're there sitting behind your keyboards thinking 'I hope we go down because this chairman is ruining my club' I hope you realise how idiotic that view is. You should want the best for the club. I'm not putting a positive spin on things I think the appointment is bad, but the reason I feel that was is because I want the BEST for the club. And because I want the best for the club I would never want us to fail.

If you're protesting I hope you realise that come the end of the season, if he's stayed in his job and done well, you realise just how much of a berk you are to protest BEFORE things have gone wrong. It's the sheer Villa-esque support of this club that makes me want this to work out - so I can at least thank the angry locals for focusing my anger on positivity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 10:07:23 AM
What I find really annoying is that the bald one and the board fully expected to get a backlash over this appointment and thought they could hoodwink us by making an announcement on Saturday tea time just before England play their opening World Cup game.
What a bunch of to$$ers
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 16, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: row ww on June 16, 2014, 10:19:56 AM
The "honeymoon period" didn't last long,did it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 10:20:03 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.

Albion supporters have always been deemed loyal & patient.

I think JP has crossed the line this time; only so much people can take.

Particularly after saying 'lessons have been learnt'.....desperate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: djmark on June 16, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
I'm just flabbergasted with all of this... Just look at our coaches along with Burton - all of them from past era's with not a jot of notable success between them.

Burton - everybody in the game has nothing but praise for him apparently, yet was completely overlooked overlooked at Arsenal when Brady left - Wenger brought in a Dutch man.

Irvine - everybody in the game has nothing but praise for him apparently - Martinez and Moyes are his biggest fans.... Didn't see him with Moyes at Utd and no where near Martinez's first team staff. I don't know how many managers accross the divisions have been replaced in the last 3 years - but sure as dammit he's been no where near a job since his debacles with Preston and Sheff Wed.

Downing & Kiely - ok, managed to just about drag us out of relegation after the Mel disaster but we were still shockingly bad and was down to more luck than judgement in my eyes. The "players" friends, oh how training much have been a really good laugh for all involved.

I really thought the club would look to the future with this appointment - someone from the modern era. I wasn't Sherwoods biggest fan, but he's young with modern ideas and contacts in the game - a passionate man who would demand that extra mile from the players and not be scared the speak his mind. Imagine big Les Ferdinand walking on to the training pitch - players having a guy who's played at the top end of the prem stood in front of them or alternatively Rob Kelly. I'd like to think after 35+ years watching football, i know who he is - but the truth is I've never ever heard of the man!

I just can't bring myself to even look on the bright side or see how this appointment can be nothing short of a disaster.

I generally hope i'm wrong though and of course i'll be down the Albion on a saturday again - its what i've done for as long as i can remember. I can honestly say though, its the first time in my life i have actually considered stepping out, giving it up - but i've come through a good few many "staring into the abyss" moments in the past
so i guess i'm stuck with it.

I live in hope!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.

You mention high horses and then state you're a home and away season ticket holder, seriously? ???

You would accept going down to get rid of some people? Thats what Wolves fans said so would you swap positions with them now?

I am annoyed with the appointment and seriously underwhelmed but I just cannot see how wishing failure upon the club has any form of positive impact whatsoever.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 16, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.
Spot on.
The time is now to show how we feel with this absolute dire football appointment.
If we just allow this now while peace is after more control , more decisions like this absolute joke appointment will be made.
He is just surrounding himself with yes men and making himself very wealthy at the expense of trying to move the club on. How hard is he trying to get some investment in and take us to the next stage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: neoblue on June 16, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MBWBA on June 16, 2014, 10:27:09 AM
We should be more anoyed about missing out on one of Sherwoods coaching staff  - Ramsey.

I work with an ex - professional who mixes a lot with British coaches and says that Ramsey is an 'Unbelievable' coach. He was genuinely excited for us when he though Ramsey was going to be working with some of our players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:27:23 AM
You mention high horses and then state you're a home and away season ticket holder, seriously? ???

You would accept going down to get rid of some people? Thats what Wolves fans said so would you swap positions with them now?

I am annoyed with the appointment and seriously underwhelmed but I just cannot see how wishing failure upon the club has any form of positive impact whatsoever.

Wolves are on the up, with a young hungry squad and a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd happily swap places, and it hurts me to say that.

I fail to see how becoming a bubble-headed optimist, vomiting sunshine and blindly hoping that "everything will turn out ok" is going to have any kind of positive impact in the long term.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on June 16, 2014, 10:34:43 AM
I am nearly 70 years old and the appointment of this kind can only enhance a peaceful retirement as I don't intend to give a toss about a club with absolutely no ambition whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:36:06 AM
Wolves are on the up, with a young hungry squad and a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd happily swap places, and it hurts me to say that.

I fail to see how becoming a bubble-headed optimist, vomiting sunshine and blindly hoping that "everything will turn out ok" is going to have any kind of positive impact in the long term.

Ok can't say I agree about Wolves...

There is no longer anything long term about football especially for a club of our standing who get taken the p*** out of with youth players been poached along with managers (Roy) and Sporting Directors (Ashworth).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:36:49 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.

Why do you feel the need to insult fans who have a different opinion to yours?

Maybe stamping your feet & waving your arms around helps you get your own way in your life but I have a alternative view to you & no amount of ranting will change that, be angry by all means if thats what gets you through but don't slag off members who express the opposite to you.

FTR I'm not a 'blind optimist', just a realist & I've never been on a horse, let alone a high one. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
I've been thinking that maybe AI's appointment was a way to give Downing the job, by deflecting the heat away from him? Running things from the shadows, so to speak.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
Ok can't say I agree about Wolves...

There is no longer anything long term about football especially for a club of our standing who get taken the p*** out of with youth players been poached along with managers (Roy) and Sporting Directors (Ashworth)..

So does that mean we should just sit back and accept any old garbage that we're served with?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:39:25 AM
Why do you feel the need to insult fans who have a different opinion to yours?

Maybe stamping your feet & waving your arms around helps you get your own way in your life but I have a alternative view to you & no amount of ranting will change that, be angry by all means if thats what gets you through but don't slag off members who express the opposite to you.

FTR I'm not a 'blind optimist', just a realist & I've never been on a horse, let alone a high one.

Do what you want mate. Look forward to seeing you start off the Mexican waves when we're relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
I've been thinking that maybe AI's appointment was a way to give Downing the job, by deflecting the heat away from him? Running things from the shadows, so to speak.

It didn't work, obviously....

The apparent love-in towards Downing and Kiely is just a total farce.

Tim Sherwood told you how thought of they are in as many words earlier today.

They're clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
I think there is just some confusion.  Surely Irvine has been appointed to replace David Oldfield?  Hasn't he?  Got to be...  Surely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
So does that mean we should just sit back and accept any old garbage that we're served with?

No by all means voice your opinion. I only questioned how it's done and I think that a reaction which has no positive effect and mainly a negative effect on the team and club is really just plain silly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:45:37 AM
I think there is just some confusion.  Surely Irvine has been appointed to replace David Oldfield?  Hasn't he?  Got to be...  Surely.

Do you think people would have lauded his appointment after poaching the Academy manager at Everton for our own academy?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:45:42 AM
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!

This post should be at the top of the thread & every poster made to read it before going anywhere near the medicine cabinet.

Great post mate but me thinks tooooo many on here will just breeze past it because JP is a very bad man & AI is not good enough for our Champions League chasing fans.............. (excuse the sarcasm neoblue)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Do you think people would have lauded his appointment after poaching the Academy manager at Everton for our own academy?

I think people, myself included, would have thought he would have been an appropriate appointment for the u21 position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Do what you want mate. Look forward to seeing you start off the Mexican waves when we're relegated.

Thanks I'll do that  ;)

Will you be there to see the wave or are you going to demand your money back if you bought a ST? or, & more worrying, will you be going to the dingles as you suggested earlier?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
I think people, myself included, would have thought he would have been an appropriate appointment for the u21 position.

I'd maybe say that position shares some of the needs and responsibilities required of head coach. Minus the obvious pressure and step up in player quality which may well be Irvine's sticking point but then again who really actually knows?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:54:51 AM
Thanks I'll do that  ;)

Will you be there to see the wave or are you going to demand your money back if you bought a ST? or, & more worrying, will you be going to the dingles as you suggested earlier?

I suggested as a club Wolves are on the up, we are very clearly on the way down. I've sat in the Southbank once before, as enjoyable as that day was I certainly won't be repeating it!

I'll be there to witness the inevitable this season. I was there before Peace and Jenkins and I'll be there long after as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!


Most fans will take heart from the first highlighted statement but share your concerns expressed in the second.

All points to a bloke who would be an excellent addition to the Academy staff, but whose track record does nothing to allay fears for another season of struggle.

Day 3 and this is the best I can see things.

Of course we need to give the bloke a chance, but, but.....

does...
            not...
                     compute....
brain overload.......


fizz.....

splutter.....

pfft
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
I suggested as a club Wolves are on the up, we are very clearly on the way down. I've sat in the Southbank once before, as enjoyable as that day was I certainly won't be repeating it!

I'll be there to witness the inevitable this season. I was there before Peace and Jenkins and I'll be there long after as well.

At least theres one thing we can agree on.

If we don't get this 'guaranteed' relegation & you give me your seat number, I'll come down & we can start the wave together...... hows that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
At least theres one thing we can agree on.

If we don't get this 'guaranteed' relegation & you give me your seat number, I'll come down & we can start the wave together...... hows that

If we don't go down I'll happily buy you a beer ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 11:03:26 AM
If we don't go down I'll happily buy you a beer ;D

See, you're turning already  :P  oh & I might just hold you to that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 11:06:11 AM
I'm trying to be practical here.
I feel sorry for Irvine as he will have a lot of supporters gunning for him and his only crime is getting a job as a Premier League manager.
If there are to be protests or anger then it is solely the bald one and his directors who should incurr the wrath of the fans.
I suspect the calibre of players that we recruit in the next few weeks will dictate the depth of feeling towards Irvine on opening day of the season.
Get off the mark with a few wins and he should be able to buy himself some time, failure to do that and there will be the inevitable problems that follow.
I'm trying to look on the positive side but its very difficult when you know somebody with a lot more cash than you has taken you for a mug.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
I'm trying to be practical here.
I feel sorry for Irvine as he will have a lot of supporters gunning for him and his only crime is getting a job as a Premier League manager.
If there are to be protests or anger then it is solely the bald one and his directors who should incurr the wrath of the fans.
I suspect the calibre of players that we recruit in the next few weeks will dictate the depth of feeling towards Irvine on opening day of the season.
Get off the mark with a few wins and he should be able to buy himself some time, failure to do that and there will be the inevitable problems that follow.
I'm trying to look on the positive side but its very difficult when you know somebody with a lot more cash than you has taken you for a mug.

Couldn't agree more. Any anger should be directed straight at Peace. I feel sorry for Alan Irvine to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
After 2 days in the wilderness... I'm still trying to rationalise this appointment.  I'm contemplating a sweat lodge and a lot of mind altering substances to try and get my head around it.

God knows what the selection criteria on the due diligence were if Irvine is the best available.  I think you'd have to put him down as an experienced coach - he's been doing it for 20 years - but with no real success in a senior position in 1st team football.

I think that the relationship between the Chairman and the Manager (or head coach) is really important in modern football.  I think this is the prime motivation for the appointment.  Peace has put this relationship above all other selection criteria, and Peace thinks he can work with this guy.

I am saying this because I just don't see what Irvine excels at, and his lack of relevant experience means he's not a jack of all trades either.  What we need right now is someone who can attract players (at least 8 recruits required) bind them together (with the remnants of the squad) into a coherent unit and motivate them to perform.  I don't see any evidence that Irvine can do this.

In addition Peace must think that Irvine offers the best value for money - which basically means that Peace doesn't think that a coach makes much difference to the number of points we'll achieve.

There was a report recently about Man City being the best paid sports team in the world.  West Brom were 127th on that list and were the 28th highest paid football team.  That was for the 2012-13 season.  (Forgetting for a moment that we only have 13 senior pros - including Daniels, Berahino and Thorne - in our current squad.)  We are likely to have gone higher up that list with the influx of new TV money, and an increase in player remuneration.  So, you'd have expected us to attract a manager/head coach in the top 30 in world... Ok, some are with international teams, some are committed to other projects... Top 50?... 75?... 100?  I don't think (before Saturday) any of us would have put Irvine in the top 100 managers/head coaches in British football.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/06/11/revealed-man-city-rise-to-top-of-global-pay-charts-dodgers-soar-to-challenge-110601/ (http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/06/11/revealed-man-city-rise-to-top-of-global-pay-charts-dodgers-soar-to-challenge-110601/)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
Couldn't agree more. Any anger should be directed straight at Peace. I feel sorry for Alan Irvine to be honest.

This is my main argument, the team needs to be backed and as unfortunate and unbearable as some may find that means the manager does too at least until he proves otherwise.

This appointment may be a tipping point for some and deciding not to go to games anymore is a shame. All I can ask these people is who is losing out? Jeremy Peace certainly isn't because like it or not 20000+ will still turn up for games and the only ones losing out are those that choose not to turn up.

These same people may well have seen us lose plenty of games in the past and may have even been avid fans during the 'dark days' but it still means they are missing out on the chance to watch PL football at their football club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
I think Peace is fed up of paying transfer fees, agents' fees and high wages.

Irvine has been a steady pair of hands at the Everton academy, so JP thinks he'll be the bloke to shape a decent team around what we have, a few cheaper additions and academy kids.

JP clearly wants the Academy to start justifying itself and making itself pay.

But it's still too much a gamble. Too many ifs and buts.

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again: JP has confused how much he's willing to pay with how much he can really afford.

If it goes t*ts up with AI then it'll all have been a false economy.

The more I think about it, the more I genuinely think JP doesn't really like football or the Club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
Once my anger has worn off i will back Irvine 100%. Until then....Alan. F******. Irvine. Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pieandapint on June 16, 2014, 11:25:55 AM
It takes a lot for Albion fans to turn on their club, but Peace has managed it with aplomb. The last few months have been a complete and utter shambles.

The club lurches from one PR disaster to another on a seemingly weekly basis- it's obvious the board have no respect whatsoever for the fans of this club.

You can stick your pinstripes Jeremy.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 11:31:46 AM
It takes a lot for Albion fans to turn on their club, but Peace has managed it with aplomb. The last few months have been a complete and utter shambles.

The club lurches from one PR disaster to another on a seemingly weekly basis- it's obvious the board have no respect whatsoever for the fans of this club.

You can stick your pinstripes Jeremy.

When your club captain feels the need to call the club a shambles, what chance have you got?

This is just another instance in a long list of ridiculous decisions mainly based on saving money.

Place is a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on June 16, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
Before I went on holiday I said I wanted to come back and see a Welcome Martin Jol WBA new head coach subject. What have I come back to?  :o

I think the fans will make Irvine's life hell, but it should be aimed at some bold bloke and his staff including Burton who ( and this is just my opinion ) had a big say in Irvine's appointment.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on June 16, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
We should be more anoyed about missing out on one of Sherwoods coaching staff  - Ramsey.

I work with an ex - professional who mixes a lot with British coaches and says that Ramsey is an 'Unbelievable' coach. He was genuinely excited for us when he though Ramsey was going to be working with some of our players.
I dont want irvine to fail I dont want you watch a relegation fight again  this comming season but by appointing Irvine we have achieved nothing. The downing and deano needed to go as there partlh whats wrong. Pepe wanted to change the style but be needed is own men and was denied. Sherwood wanted his own men and that was also a sticking point. Ime guessing the 2 lot interviews revolved around 1 question. " Will you work with whats already there" and irvine obviously said yes.

One thing is clear and that Irvine wont be sacked before christmas and JP wont leave. We need to protest so our voices are heard but we also need to support the players as at the end of the day the albion is our club and we want it to succeed.
I bet we will only  ring in 4-5 players and irvne will try and bring the youth through its either going to bad very quickly or we will be suprised im betting on the first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down.

That would be find if he was investing... every cost comes out of turnover, and his involvement last season (appears) to have been pretty minimal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 16, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
 ;D Interesting to note that more than 10,000 people have already read this thread.
This shows the concern of the Albion "faithfull" on the decision made for the new Head coach.

I hate to think what the players are thinking. I can imagine Foster checking his phone while on the bench for England the other night and seeing the news filter through?? :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 11:55:53 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down.

Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)

It's just a theory, and you could well be right. After all and part of me agrees with you because I can't really see the true sense in JP's actions if it's true.   ;)

I'm not saying that he wants us to go down. (Even if we did there have been Championship clubs who have been bought and sold under similar circumstances).

To use your car analogy, I'm not saying he's deliberately out to run it down. He's paying the bare minimum running costs to keep it in working condition, so a buyer can come along eventually.

So that's what I'm trying to say: You can see this whole situation as Peace keeping the club ticking over for less than it'd cost to really get it back into tip-top Dan Ashworth/ Roy Hodgson era shape.

So you could be right, but the more I think about it the more I think he wants out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 16, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
Got into work this morning and there's a lad who's a Blackpool fan says there is a thread on their website saying what are we thinking appointing Irvine as head coach.
 Just about says it all when lower league sides fans are taking the p**s.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 16, 2014, 12:42:21 PM
I feel sorry for those of you who renewed prior to this announcement being made.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)

Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 12:59:30 PM
Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Roughly where my brain's been heading on this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:11:44 PM
Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Could make a great film (if a tad libelous) I do love a good conspiracy theory.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Good point made by westbromjim on another thread.

How come we haven't seen the obligatory scarf waving photo session of peace and Irvine welcome anywhere?

Too embarrassing is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Stormy78 on June 16, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....



so hes hoping that England will be 3 up by then and we are all merry on ale
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....
Yes just because Peace knows no one will be around to hurl the deserved abuse heading his way, the COWARD
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
Yes just because Peace knows no one will be around to hurl the deserved abuse heading his way, the COWARD

Yes I'm sure he's absolutely s4!ting himself at the thought of fans slagging him off, if he is the man many on here have depicted him as, he won't give a flying flip about what any of us think.

As for the scarf waving 'issue', is this just another stick to beat the club with?  :-[

If Peace stood at the Kings gates handing out free fivers there would be some calling him a tight wad as it should be tenners. damned if you do & all that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
Yes I'm sure he's absolutely s4!ting himself at the thought of fans slagging him off, if he is the man many on here have depicted him as, he won't give a flying **** about what any of us think.

As for the scarf waving 'issue', is this just another stick to beat the club with?  :-[

If Peace stood at the Kings gates handing out free fivers there would be some calling him a tight wad as it should be tenners. damned if you do & all that

Actually you never know he might, maybe he wasn't expecting this level of reaction, he seems so far adrift of what the fans think, and now he has shown his colours that he just doesn't care about the fans either.

Seen this coming for a while, but some fans still stuck up for him, we'll he has crossed that line now of no real return, but hey, what does he care :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 16, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
Good point made by westbromjim on another thread.

How come we haven't seen the obligatory scarf waving photo session of peace and Irvine welcome anywhere?

Too embarrassing is it?

Let's face it, Peace has been left with egg all over his face with this decision. Everyone in football knows that Irvine would have been nowhere near the top of any list, therefore the only logic is that he was the only one who would even consider the job, all other genuine applicants have said no, Sherwood has as good as said so. It also flies in the face of everything he said at the end of the season, so makes him look like a prize plum.
Peace thought he was a big shot, hard talking businessman, but has now been found out to be a spoilt brat who no-one wants to work with. That's why no scarf waving, he is licking his wounds somewhere.
Let's hope his damaged ego prompts him to move on and sell to someone who actually has the club at heart and not purely their own interests.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Actually you never know he might, maybe he wasn't expecting this level of reaction, he seems so far adrift of what the fans think, and now he has shown his colours that he just doesn't care about the fans either.

Seen this coming for a while, but some fans still stuck up for him, we'll he has crossed that line now of no real return, but hey, what does he care :'(

I'm sure that most if not all Premier team owners don't really care about fans, so please don't think its exclusive to us, given the choice between Sky money or fans money which do you think they would choose?

Jeremy Peace is obviously a wealthy man (queue the 'because he's taking so much out of the club' theorist's), fans need to see beyond petty jealousy & realise that whilst its not & probably never will be perfect, it could be a damn sight worse & here comes the cliche 'BE VERY VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR'   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
Cant wait for the Peace Disciples coming out saying they love the new strip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
I'm sure that most if not all Premier team owners don't really care about fans, so please don't think its exclusive to us, given the choice between Sky money or fans money which do you think they would choose?

Jeremy Peace is obviously a wealthy man (queue the 'because he's taking so much out of the club' theorist's), fans need to see beyond petty jealousy & realise that whilst its not & probably never will be perfect, it could be a damn sight worse & here comes the cliche 'BE VERY VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR'   
Oh by no means is he on his own, however many of our fans have thought he was ok for this club in the past, now they see his and mark Jenkins true colours.

Sometimes people out stay their welcome, of course we have to be careful what we ask for, but hey we need to bold and stand up for what we believe in, and a dictatorship is not what this country is used to
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 02:24:46 PM
With respect I can't think of anything that would be worse for us than JP and his last two year's worth of actions.

People vilified Vincent Tan because he radically altered the team's strip, ignored the fans opinions completely on just about everything and made rash egotistical decisions that were not in the least bit in the club's interest.

Looks the same to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 16, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
I wonder if Dan Ashworth fancies a chairmanship job - it seems more and more to me that he was the 'brains' for a long time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
Let's face it, Peace has been left with egg all over his face with this decision. Everyone in football knows that Irvine would have been nowhere near the top of any list, therefore the only logic is that he was the only one who would even consider the job, all other genuine applicants have said no, Sherwood has as good as said so. It also flies in the face of everything he said at the end of the season, so makes him look like a prize plum.
Peace thought he was a big shot, hard talking businessman, but has now been found out to be a spoilt brat who no-one wants to work with. That's why no scarf waving, he is licking his wounds somewhere.
Let's hope his damaged ego prompts him to move on and sell to someone who actually has the club at heart and not purely their own interests.

I think you have summed it up well how we ended up with this appointment. Any decent applicant would never even contemplate applying as JP's reputation must by now be well-known. That then leaves second-rate applicants and I bet some of them decided no once the reality of the constraints hit them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: perkyone on June 16, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then

Ha ha decent signings, yeah right, cuckoo cuckoo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then

and what track record does Alan Irvine have?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Ha ha decent signings, yeah right, cuckoo cuckoo

Agree the appointment of Irvine is the indicator of the ambition will be showing on transfers. Cheap and sh*te.

Irvine will be the yes man that will not even question it.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Any one got any odds on Irvines sacking at this stage
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Any one got any odds on Irvines sacking at this stage

I would say he'll be gone by Christmas to be replaced with Downing after a 5 week due diligence escapade.
With those imortal words " Keith was always our first choice candidate"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 16, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.


Some might fall in love
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 03:36:45 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.

Still seething but feel the same as this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 16, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Am I the only one to admit that Irvine was my preferred choice for the Head Coach. Mind you that was back in 2009 after Mowbray's departure and we were settiing up for a year in the Championship.

Am underwhelmed alright. Wasn't overly eager on Sherwood who appears to have been focusing on a lot of PR work both prior and after his non-appointment. Didn't seem to be linked too closely with any decent Coaches with top flight Head Coach/Managerial experience, when previously we obviously had the likes of Mel and Ralk Rangnick being touted. Certainly seemed to be recruiting in the lower reaches of prospective Premier League managers.

On Irvine, I don't believe that you are always the same as you were. He started off brightly with Preston, leading him to be among the favorites for the vacant job at West Brom in 2009 but took a downturn and had a struggle at Sheffield Wednesday too. I would hope that his time at Everton has allowed him freshen his mindset and approach, and perhaps some of these ideas may have come across in his discussions with the Albion board.

Anyway, I am underwhelmed but just needed to get my own thoughts off my chest and onto other peoples.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 16, 2014, 04:10:58 PM
Whilst trying to understand, make sense of and analyse this debacle, I suddenly had thoughts of a film originally made in 1965 (remade 2004)  that starred James Stewart, Richard Attenborough and Hardy Kruger amongst others, the plot rang a bell with me and I thought it had (maybe very tenuous)  similarities with our current plight and predicament, the plot went something like this:

Towns ((Stewart) aka Albion Fan) and Moran ((Attenborough) aka Albion Fan) learn that Dorfmann ((Kruger) aka Alan Irvine) designs model aircraft instead of full-sized aircraft. (Academy Coach, no PL Managerial Experience). Dorfmann claims the principles are the same (Coaching PL Players / Academy Players), but Towns and Moran are horrified at the idea of flying an aircraft (watching West Broms first team) made by a man who works with "toys" (Academy Players Coach). Without any other choice (Irvine is appointed Head Coach in spite of fans protestations), however, Towns and Moran forge ahead with the plan (go to home and away matches) and don't tell the others of their discovery (fans suppress their true feelings and continue to support West Brom).

Just as the water runs out (fans total despair begins to set in), the Phoenix is completed (players recruited and the season kicks off). Dorfmann panics when four cartridges fail to start the plane's engine (we lose the first four games of the season) and Towns wants to use one of the remaining three cartridges just to clear the engine's cylinders (fans want Alan Irvine out). Dorfmann objects (Irvine insists he is the man for the job and has had player injuries effecting his preferred playing style), but Towns ignores him and fires one cartridge with the ignition off (Fans become more restless and protest continue). The next cartridge succeeds (Albion win a game, injured players have returned and playing style more attacking). The men pull the Phoenix (West Bromwich Albion) to a nearby hilltop and climb onto the wings (Albion give their full support to the team and Irvine) with Carlos' pet monkey (aka Peace) in tow. When Towns guns the engine (Albion Fans right behind the team), the Phoenix slides down the hill and along a lake bed before taking off (Albion win more games) After the Phoenix lands at an oasis with a manned oil rig, the men celebrate and Towns and Dorfmann reconcile. (The season ends and Albion finish mid-table. Alan Irvine and Albion Fans call a truce for now!)

The Film, "The Flight of The Phoenix" and we all know the mythical story of the Phoenix, don't we?
 
Keep the Faith during these difficult times, we know who we are!!

(http://)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 16, 2014, 04:14:55 PM
Ha, very good, I like it!!!

I'll take that as a season right now!!! I fear however that we're utterly fecked. Guess we'll see by the quality of incoming players this coming few months.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 04:21:26 PM
Been out all day no resignations yet then >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboy74 on June 16, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
still can't believe it.......so angry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 04:56:16 PM
COME BACK PEPE MEL YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU

::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
COME BACK PEPE MEL YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU

::)

Ha ha even if he came back whilst peace is there his hands would be tied, seem to be in a vortex as a club at the moment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
Well it's now been 48 hours since the news broke officially about Alan Irivne and I'd like to confirm I'm still as livid now as I was then.

In fact, now it's finally sunk in, I'm feeling even worse.

It's absolutely scandalous.

Two months before the start of the season and I'm already fearing relegation.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 05:06:03 PM
Well it's now been 48 hours since the news broke officially about Alan Irivne and I'd like to confirm I'm still as livid now as I was then.

In fact, now it's finally sunk in, I'm feeling even worse.

It's absolutely scandalous.

Two months before the start of the season and I'm already fearing relegation.

Pathetic.



Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:11:46 PM


Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow

Alan Irvine - “My passion is for coaching and I believe my strength is on the training ground, which is where we need to get the work done.”

Translation - "All I have to do is coach, Richard and Terry will sign the players and then I'll have to make do with what I'm given"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 16, 2014, 05:31:43 PM
I won't invest my money yet on Albion being relegated, but unless we sign at least FOUR quality players I am going to have to put 60 plus years of Albion loyalty to the back of my mind and think of filling my pockets instead. We have got to be racing certainties at present to be relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 05:32:50 PM


Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow

Name me any top player thats going to come to us now? We dont pay the wages and irvine will struggle to attract league 1 players!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Name me any top player thats going to come to us now? We dont pay the wages and irvine will struggle to attract league 1 players!

Darren Carter seems to sing his praises highly enough. Maybe he's trying for a move?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Great lets get Chaplow back too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 16, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
Whilst trying to understand, make sense of and analyse this debacle, I suddenly had thoughts of a film originally made in 1965 (remade 2004)  that starred James Stewart, Richard Attenborough and Hardy Kruger amongst others, the plot rang a bell with me and I thought it had (maybe very tenuous)  similarities with our current plight and predicament, the plot went something like this:

Towns ((Stewart) aka Albion Fan) and Moran ((Attenborough) aka Albion Fan) learn that Dorfmann ((Kruger) aka Alan Irvine) designs model aircraft instead of full-sized aircraft. (Academy Coach, no PL Managerial Experience). Dorfmann claims the principles are the same (Coaching PL Players / Academy Players), but Towns and Moran are horrified at the idea of flying an aircraft (watching West Broms first team) made by a man who works with "toys" (Academy Players Coach). Without any other choice (Irvine is appointed Head Coach in spite of fans protestations), however, Towns and Moran forge ahead with the plan (go to home and away matches) and don't tell the others of their discovery (fans suppress their true feelings and continue to support West Brom).

Just as the water runs out (fans total despair begins to set in), the Phoenix is completed (players recruited and the season kicks off). Dorfmann panics when four cartridges fail to start the plane's engine (we lose the first four games of the season) and Towns wants to use one of the remaining three cartridges just to clear the engine's cylinders (fans want Alan Irvine out). Dorfmann objects (Irvine insists he is the man for the job and has had player injuries effecting his preferred playing style), but Towns ignores him and fires one cartridge with the ignition off (Fans become more restless and protest continue). The next cartridge succeeds (Albion win a game, injured players have returned and playing style more attacking). The men pull the Phoenix (West Bromwich Albion) to a nearby hilltop and climb onto the wings (Albion give their full support to the team and Irvine) with Carlos' pet monkey (aka Peace) in tow. When Towns guns the engine (Albion Fans right behind the team), the Phoenix slides down the hill and along a lake bed before taking off (Albion win more games) After the Phoenix lands at an oasis with a manned oil rig, the men celebrate and Towns and Dorfmann reconcile. (The season ends and Albion finish mid-table. Alan Irvine and Albion Fans call a truce for now!)

The Film, "The Flight of The Phoenix" and we all know the mythical story of the Phoenix, don't we?
 
Keep the Faith during these difficult times, we know who we are!!

(http://)
Theres another great film from around that time called "A night to remember" about a certain unsinkable ship that never reached its destination. The name of the ship.........TITANIC. The only difference is that the Titanics Captain ( Peace in our case ) had the decency to go down with his ship.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:49:36 PM

Is there a picture of Alan Irvine holding up the new white pinstripe shower of poorness yet?

He'll be stood with Darren Carter, Richard Chaplow, Sean St. Ledger and Craig Beattie.

Four star studded signings for this year FFS.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 16, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 16, 2014, 05:54:03 PM
While I'm prepared to see what happens with Irvine (what choice do we have ?) the idea of him in charge and our first signing being Gardner is as appealing as a 4 day old cheese sandwich.
I'd snatch your hand of for McInnes right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Like i said in a post above mate we aint going to attract good players with poor wages and Irvine in charge.

Its the best players from the lower leagues and gamble foreign players for us. Thats the best were going to get!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 16, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Cant see that happening mate. Cheap option coach meaning cheap option players. Only got the job because Sherwood turned it down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:32:37 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 06:38:54 PM
Just wonder how many others may have been approached unofficially let it be known they didnt want the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace

Do you really mean anybody? Jones? Terry Connor? Big Eck? Gould?

I'm sure could have been many, many worse. Not to say he's the right man but really there could have been worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:40:56 PM
Do you really mean anybody? Jones? Terry Connor? Big Eck? Gould?

I'm sure could have been many, many worse. Not to say he's the right man but really there could have been worse.



Yes i would have taken Dave Jones and the big eck over irvine.Loose the first 6 games and he will be gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 06:43:16 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace

I didnt think it could get any worse then dave jons myself. But look at Jone's record compared

He took Stockport up to the championship,he also got them to the league cup semi final beating 4 teams from a higher league on the way

Managed over 100 games at southampton in the premier league

Got wolves to the play offs twice with them being promoted the 2nd time

Cardiff got in the play offs numerous times


Alan irvine makes dave jones look like Alex ferguson

I still cant get my head round this!





Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:48:47 PM
Does anyone know Irvines win record, did i hear correctly its only 30%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
Agree with the hammering Irvine is getting, the bloke is doomed before a baall has been kicked. I just don't get the reasoning behind his appointment. Meaning I think it's unfair, not I agree we should hammer him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:51:47 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 16, 2014, 06:56:50 PM
Wheres the link to Mels comments?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:58:15 PM
Wheres the link to Mels comments?


Not Pepe Mel Dudley.Mel from Dudley on WM :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else

What kind of budget do you imagine Irvine has got this year? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:00:49 PM

Not Pepe Mel Dudley.Mel from Dudley on WM :D

Didn't hear him say that! I think it's safe to say 99% if our fans are gutted
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on June 16, 2014, 07:06:16 PM
Explain what this 'something' is - or even his positive points?
i don't know I didn't interview him. Did you? Do you know the man or are you just jumping on this bile of a thread?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else

Dont even joke about that  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:11:27 PM
i don't know I didn't interview him. Did you? Do you know the man or are you just jumping on this bile of a thread?

You mean Lord Lucan JP, the Scarlet Pimpernel?, the one of the main reasons we are writing this bile of a thread, is because Mr Elusive is 'unavailable'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 16, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Just got in to read that Southampton have appointed Koeman. It gets even more depressing. They were a League 1 club not so long ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on June 16, 2014, 07:15:41 PM
I like many, many others think this appointment is rediculous as IMO there were far better coaches available and if JP had shown more ambition and did as he quoted after PM departure,"learn from mistakes made last season" we could of landed someone better.

I won't go on and repeat what as already been written as it's all getting a bit boring, but one thing I'd like to know if anyone has done any digging.

Does anyone know what AI working contitions were like at PNE and Sheff Wed? Were his hands tied regarding transfer's, size of squads, etc, etc, etc.......??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Just been on a few other clubs message boards.We surely are giving them something to laugh at
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on June 16, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
I'm baffled and disappointed by this decision and see only relegation this season.
Unless we make some incredible signings, including a real leader/motivator.
Day to day coaching and leading a team are different skills, our chairman seems to believe that coaching is enough, he is wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:22:14 PM
Maybe we should get Scott Parker in to do the team talks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two

How does he make more money by getting relegated?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:27:21 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two

You forgot the 20% dividend he pays himself on all profits
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
How does he make more money by getting relegated?

Pass on that one.
Where have I said or intimated that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:29:34 PM
How does he make more money by getting relegated?

A calculated gamble, if WBA go down, I'll guarantee you JP's salary won't, and if he or anyone else wants to come on here and tell me different then fine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 16, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
Just been on a few other clubs message boards.We surely are giving them something to laugh at

And with some justification. They can take the mick all they like, there is absolutely nothing they can say that will make me feel any worse about this appointment.

I wish him all the luck in the world and would like nothing more than being proved completely wrong, but if that happens it just means Peace (and Albion) will have got very lucky ... there's simply no logic or sense in the decision to justify it, it's a reckless appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Franksie tonight on WM (for so called balance) kept saying to all the criticism of the appointment of Ivirne "well what if Albion win their first 3 games what will you think of the coach then"? Well we wont win the first 3 games. We will be  lucky if we win 3 games all season. I can see it now first game at home we go 1-0 down. The chants of peace out begin. At 3-0 down there is a mass walk out like at the end of the season game. Then repeat the same scenario at the next game until after 6 home games he is sacked. God only knows what then. Nothing will change while we have the owner we have. Again Franksie made my blood boil saying "be careful what you wish for". Well I wish for a place in the premier league with some modest ambition not 8th every season just some pride in our club for the way we try and play. Like Swansea Stoke Hull Crystal Palace Southampton to name a few . Are they all bigger clubs than us? Why can t we have their ambition we have very similar Turnover and wages (and if you don't believe that look at this http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn) And if you do look for one of the highest paid directors in the premier league. See if it marries up with the lowest PAID MANAGER IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE YES YOU GUESSED IT IRVINE. I hope sometime soon I can stop feeling so angry and have some hope for the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: silver surfer on June 16, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
Maybe we should get Scott Parker in to do the team talks
Or we could play a Phil Neville commentary over the speakers in the away changing room, same difference really.
I've stuck up for JP more than once on here, but having had 48 hours to digest the news I've gone from seething to alcoholic.
This is the equivalent of giving up on life.
Walking down the shops in slippers and jim jams to buy a single fag from the bloke who owns the chippie, and fetching the shopping in an old pram.
Cheap as chips ....how much for a fag?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 07:39:54 PM
Cant see that happening mate. Cheap option coach meaning cheap option players. Only got the job because Sherwood turned it down.

I we now know the real reason that Sherwood turned it down is that he wanted his own coaches in and to dispense with Pinky and Perky. We are the only club that when the head coach/manager is replaced we still keep on the rest of the coaching staff that were responsible of failing with that head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
I don't feel sorry for Irvine at all. Even if he was sacked after 6 games he will walk away with well over £250000 and probably over twice that much. I would take flack for a few months for those bucks especially if it wasn't the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:48:33 PM
I don't feel sorry for Irvine at all. Even if he was sacked after 6 games he will walk away with well over £250000 and probably over twice that much. I would take flack for a few months for those bucks especially if it wasn't the club I love.


Neither do i.he wont know whats hit him if we start poorly, he could have said no.Burton should shoulder some of the blame if it doesnt work out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 07:51:42 PM
Pass on that one.
Where have I said or intimated that?

 ::) I'm not going to connect the dots for you.


A calculated gamble, if WBA go down, I'll guarantee you JP's salary won't, and if he or one of his little bum chums wanna come on here and tell me different then fine.

Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.
If you were a multi millionaire and owned any club but ours would you care if the club went down. People do sometimes reach a point with their wealth where they are satisfied and become complacent over if they have £50 £60 or whatever and if we went down the owner will still have more a lot of money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:00:27 PM
Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.

Well, I would imagine WBA the championship club, is a far easier sell than WBA the Premier League club, considering the liabilities of being in each respective divbision. if we believe what we are told the Albion is worth around £125m, lets say we go down and half of that figure becomes to 'true value of WBA' 75% of that ain't a bad return for somebody that has risked absolutely zero of his own cash

Apologies for the spelling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:07:50 PM
If you were a multi millionaire and owned any club but ours would you care if the club went down. People do sometimes reach a point with their wealth where they are satisfied and become complacent over if they have £50 £60 or whatever and if we went down the owner will still have more a lot of money.

Point taken, but that doesn't mean I would try to make it happen.


Well, I would imagine WBA the championship club, is a far easier sell than WBA the Premier League club, considering the liabilities of being in each respective divbision. if we believe what we are told the Albion is worth around £125m, lets say we go down and half of that figure becomes to 'true value of WBA' 75% of that ain't a bad return for somebody that has risked absolutely zero of his own cash

If he's that desperate to sell, why wouldn't he offer it right now for half-price and just skip the relegation part?


Apologies for the spelling

No problem. I know everyone is very angry; thank you for having a civil discussion with me about the matter.  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:09:49 PM
Point taken, but that doesn't mean I would try to make it happen.


If he's that desperate to sell, why wouldn't he offer it right now for half-price and just skip the relegation part?

I thought that is/was exactly what he is doing.

I know I go wonky from time to time, no offence meant to anybody, and apologies if I have.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
I thought that is/was exactly what he is doing.

I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean you think he wants to sell or thinks he can sell the club for exactly the same price, regardless of division?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:16:53 PM
Franksie tonight on WM (for so called balance) kept saying to all the criticism of the appointment of Ivirne "well what if Albion win their first 3 games what will you think of the coach then"? Well we wont win the first 3 games. We will be  lucky if we win 3 games all season. I can see it now first game at home we go 1-0 down. The chants of peace out begin. At 3-0 down there is a mass walk out like at the end of the season game. Then repeat the same scenario at the next game until after 6 home games he is sacked. God only knows what then. Nothing will change while we have the owner we have. Again Franksie made my blood boil saying "be careful what you wish for". Well I wish for a place in the premier league with some modest ambition not 8th every season just some pride in our club for the way we try and play. Like Swansea Stoke Hull Crystal Palace Southampton to name a few . Are they all bigger clubs than us? Why can t we have their ambition we have very similar Turnover and wages (and if you don't believe that look at this http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn) And if you do look for one of the highest paid directors in the premier league. See if it marries up with the lowest PAID MANAGER IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE YES YOU GUESSED IT IRVINE. I hope sometime soon I can stop feeling so angry and have some hope for the club I love.

I absolutely love this post. Why shouldn't we have ambition? Why shouldn't we be playing for a finish around or just outside the top ten spot? Seriously, apart from the big four (that pretty much now is the big six!) we should have every expectation to be there or thereabouts.

Stating the obvious but we need an owner with AMBITION and hunger. Sensible practice I admire, but there is no room for complacency in football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiedave on June 16, 2014, 08:18:55 PM
Had we been a league 1 side, the appointment of Alan Irvine i feel would have been a good one. However we are premiership. Why would you take the club backwards. To dismantle a team inside 2 seasons, after 24 years of hard graft, and planning to produce a quality premiership side, to which we were 2 seasons ago, is absolutley appauling. How can a team just promoted as champions from league 1, Wolves, have better coach than us who are in the premiership, is just beyond me. I would have preffered Kenny Jacket, than Alan Irvine. Jeremy should stand back and take a good hard look at this latest debarcle. Out of all the available guys with premier exxperience, why would you go for Irvine?. How can we now possibly attract at least 9 quality players, that we so desperately need to survive next season?.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:19:47 PM
Had we been a league 1 side, the appointment of Alan Irvine i feel would have been a good one. However we are premiership. Why would you take the club backwards. To dismantle a team inside 2 seasons, after 24 years of hard graft, and planning to produce a quality premiership side, to which we were 2 seasons ago, is absolutley appauling. How can a team just promoted as champions from league 1, Wolves, have better coach than us who are in the premiership, is just beyond me. I would have preffered Kenny Jacket, than Alan Irvine. Jeremy should stand back and take a good hard look at this latest debarcle. Out of all the available guys with premier exxperience, why would you go for Irvine?. How can we now possibly attract at least 9 quality players, that we so desperately need to survive next season?.



Dave hes failed in league one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:20:38 PM
I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean you think he wants to sell or thinks he can sell the club for exactly the same price, regardless of division?

Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.

Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 08:26:05 PM
Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)

Maybe that's the direction we need to go in as a club and as a fan base.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 08:26:28 PM
 i thought 40 million was the price bandied about when he supposedly put us up for sale a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:28:05 PM
If we all save our season ticket money for the next 5 years we should be able to see him off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 08:28:29 PM
Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)

Good luck with that ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:29:12 PM
i thought 40 million was the price bandied about when he supposedly put us up for sale a couple of years ago

Even better that's just 2k each. Not sure if I'm being serious here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:31:12 PM
Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.

If no-one would buy the club for £125m, then it isn't worth £125m. Like anything else, the club is worth exactly what the market will pay for it. That said, I still don't see how being in the Championship would cause the club to be more attractive to a buyer or induce him to pay more for it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 08:33:07 PM
I we now know the real reason that Sherwood turned it down is that he wanted his own coaches in and to dispense with Pinky and Perky. We are the only club that when the head coach/manager is replaced we still keep on the rest of the coaching staff that were responsible of failing with that head coach.
Absolutely correct. We would have to (and have) go a huge way down the list of people interested in the job before finding someone who didn't want to bring in his own team that he knows and trusts. To insist on keeping the gruesome twosome isn't loyalty, it is stupidity because it is an unreasonable demand for any top coach/manager. Only the desperate would even consider it, so what we end up with is the pick of the desperates, though I don't even think we chose right from them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
What you COULD do, were you of a devious nature, you could run the club down so much over six months that you suddenly end up with some very cheap shares you could buy. Then once you'd got what you needed to go to plan B, you could just do enough to make sure the club retains its Prem status. Then sell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 16, 2014, 08:37:44 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:38:17 PM
If no-one would buy the club for £125m, then it isn't worth £125m. Like anything else, the club is worth exactly what the market will pay for it. That said, I still don't see how being in the Championship would cause the club to be more attractive to a buyer or induce him to pay more for it.

If you look at it like buying shares in a company, you wouldn't buy them at top dollar, WBA's stock is probably around 90% of it's potential, to increase that, would take a degree of risk, so if a share is worth say £100, why would you risk that to make £10?

If you buy at a reduced price, then the earning potential is much greater.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.

Half time of the England match.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
Half time of the England match.


Didnt i hear it was Wednesday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:43:33 PM

Didnt i hear it was Wednesday

Maybe mate, just what a friend told me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
What you COULD do, were you of a devious nature, you could run the club down so much over six months that you suddenly end up with some very cheap shares you could buy. Then once you'd got what you needed to go to plan B, you could just do enough to make sure the club retains its Prem status. Then sell.

If Peace is clever enough to manage that, we need to keep him at all costs.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 16, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
All the years we have been carefull, no one has come in for us . We now have I believe 9500 shares and he is looking to buy a few off fans at 3000 each . This would value the club at 28.5 million . We can state clearly that doesn't look a fair figure . Even if we go down we have parachute payments for 4 years. Plus players could be sold off . 60 million could still be looked at a low figure . But it ain't bad considering he hasn't spent much of his own money is it .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
All the years we have been carefull, no one has come in for us . We now have I believe 9500 shares and he is looking to buy a few off fans at 3000 each . This would value the club at 28.5 million . We can state clearly that doesn't look a fair figure . Even if we go down we have parachute payments for 4 years. Plus players could be sold off . 60 million could still be looked at a low figure . But it ain't bad considering he hasn't spent much of his own money is it .

He hasn't spent a penny of his own money since he has been here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.

Wednesday 12:00pm Press Conference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:55:55 PM
If you look at it like buying shares in a company, you wouldn't buy them at top dollar, WBA's stock is probably around 90% of it's potential, to increase that, would take a degree of risk, so if a share is worth say £100, why would you risk that to make £10?

If you buy at a reduced price, then the earning potential is much greater.

If your point is that things which cost less are more desirable, I can hardly disagree.  :P

But Peace doesn't have to make the club less valuable to accept less money for it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 16, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 09:03:50 PM
If your point is that things which cost less are more desirable, I can hardly disagree.  :P

But Peace doesn't have to make the club less valuable to accept less money for it.

Again Quakes, what he has done, brilliantly well, is make the club as valuable as it is. by reducing liabilities, your not devaluing the club, your increasing it's earning potential.

Would you prefer £100 if it cost you £99 to earn it? or would you prefer £10 that cost £1 to earn it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.
When have we ever discussed our targets in public before they have signed?  Kalou? That went well (and was no doubt part of the reason for our dismal recruitment and the sacking of Clarke)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 09:09:35 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:10:27 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
He didn't inspire me one little bit. I was hoping for a something but I have to let go of any hope for now and for this upcoming season. We are going down. I am so furious with myself for renewing. If I hadn't I wouldn't have after this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 16, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X

Embarrassing! 

Shola Ameobi has just come on for Nigeria by the way. He'd form a lethal partnership with Anichebe plus he's on a free. Go get him JP.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:24:04 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
They couldn't understand why we are also mad with the appointment. I just kept screaming at the radio even at my beloved Bomber. He and Tom Ross kept saying it will all depend on what players we bring in. BUT WE ALL KNOW AS ALBION FANS WE WONT BRING IN GOOD PLAYERS. We know now that the appointment of Irvine is a sign of the quality of players we will buy. At what point are we right in Bombers and Toms opinion to be as furious as we are now. Will they agree when they see the players that come in? Why can't they see what we know?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 16, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Sorry for the  negative post VVV but I don't normally do negative, but at the moment I am wondering around the house trying to make sense of it all.
 
I hope I am on here in twelve months holding my hand up .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 16, 2014, 09:25:57 PM
All the fans can do now is wait and see . The new bloke is in and many aren't pleased but it's still our club . Get behind them and keep yeah fingers crossed .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X

Dragging up quotes from 2006, nice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Embarrassing! 

Shola Ameobi has just come on for Nigeria by the way. He'd form a lethal partnership with Anichebe plus he's on a free. Go get him JP.  ;D
And now they have bought on some bloke called Odemwingie remember him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
And now they have bought on some bloke called Odemwingie remember him?

I've thought recently that his acidic comments in the past might be due to a very unhappy camp. Not justifying him, but, ya know...??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
All the fans can do now is wait and see . The new bloke is in and many aren't pleased but it's still our club . Get behind them and keep yeah fingers crossed .
Fingers crossed we don't see scenes of Albion supporters fighting with each other when we start losing. Some getting angry at others saying "support the team" "stop booing get behind the lads" I can see the whole ugly mess of a season in front of us. Tom Ross is living in cloud cukoo land if he thinks we will bring in top players. Its just not going to happen. This appointment tells us that. Cheap that's the guide not quality.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 09:44:56 PM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.

No need to speculate, you'll find out in a few months and I can almost guarantee that what they all say is indeed right. Roy is too much of a gentleman to say anything else, as you well know.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 09:46:11 PM
This has nothing to do with Irvine's coaching ability it is to do with his lack of management experience in the Premier League and JP's penny pinching decision to give the job to someone who the vast majority of supporters feel is not going to give us the fresh impetus the club needs particularly as he is happy to work with two of the previous two head coaches failed back room staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 16, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
To be fair Roy also said the same to Wolves about Solbakken ;D.

Seriously I do see your point though I think Hodgson has perhaps advised both Burton and Peace on the candidates because it was reported last week he had also recommended Sherwood aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 16, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
Sorry but what Premier League quality player is seriously going to come to a club that now has "hopeless relegation fodder" written all over it by this appointment.

I've been a big JP supporter but not anymore :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
No need to speculate, you'll find out in a few months and I can almost guarantee that what they all say is indeed right. Roy is too much of a gentleman to say anything else, as you well know.

You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2014, 09:57:57 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.

You are clearly a very nice person.
But I haven't read a post yet that called him a stupid idiot, so it doesn't help your credibility any to make things up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
.........or even useless idiot, sorry Freudian slip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:04:31 PM
You are clearly a very nice person.
But I haven't read a post yet that called him a stupid idiot, so it doesn't help your credibility any to make things up

As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:06:13 PM
...or even summarising the general sentiment, sorry grammatical slip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 16, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

Don't know - he turned him from a kid to a £6m player allegedly!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:10:20 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

He was also responsible for spilling tea on the chairmans new rug, he forgot to order toilet rolls for the staff toilets & one day he drove through a puddle & splashed mud on Moyes car, I'm sure he'll be accused of some further atrocities before the season starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
...or even summarising the general sentiment, sorry grammatical slip
I'm sure that the general sentiment is quite capable of summarising itself, without any outside help thank you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:15:15 PM
As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Just because you have posted a few more times than me and have supported the Albion since they were formed, there's no need to be sarcastic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:15:39 PM
I'm sure that the general sentiment is quite capable of summarising itself, without any outside help thank you

Do you refer to me as "outside"? If so, outside of what, and why?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

And he was a bench warmer for the large majority of his everton career.

Yeah he really is the next drogba isnt he :-) if thats his opinions on players then god help us. Anichebe is just a more expensive fortune!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 10:17:30 PM
I do think Irvine, is unfortunate to walk into this,,, this, I'll say it pooh! but as previous posters have put, nothing to do with him, all to do with the policy of the club and it's governance, we are falling out with each other, good!! proves we give a monkeys, I'm sure nobody wants or expects it to turn into fisticuffs, we're all grown ups, but stuff has to happen, this situation has to be reversed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
Just because you have posted a few more times than me and have supported the Albion since they were formed, there's no need to be sarcastic

Oh dear, you are offended, and yet you thought to accuse me of making things up. I imagine you felt that an entirely benign comment?

Not since the club was formed as it happens, just a long, long time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
This was pretty underwhelming to my mind, not helped by Tom Ross's pathetically fawning attitude, who was more interested sucking up to Burton than properly representing the view of the majority of the fans.

It was quite funny how Burton referred to Irvine as the "manager" and then nearly did so again before managing to correct it to "head coach".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: viaductbaggies on June 16, 2014, 10:18:55 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=birmingham&region=blackcountry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:20:16 PM
You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.

that's odd because ive seen loads of players at the albion get abuse and then give great performances
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:22:01 PM
that's odd because ive seen loads of players at the albion get abuse and then give great performances

As I say, I haven't. My experience is that people being abused go into their shells and withdraw. But if you think differently that's up to you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
As I say, I haven't. My experience is that people being abused go into their shells and withdraw. But if you think differently that's up to you.

its not what I think its what ive seen ,some players have thrived on abuse and used it to spur them on. one of the worlds most iconic footballers had years of abuse and became a brilliant player ie david beckham
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:28:26 PM
As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Listen I don't think you quite get it. It wouldn't matter if we sang we loved the man and the club from 2.30 to 5.00pm on match day from the stands. We will go down next season with the quality of the players and coaching staff we will have by the beginning of the season. And as for Irvine I don't feel sorry for him in any way. Do you really think he cares about West Bromwich Albion. Or do you think the £250000 - £500000 salary he will collect even if he is sacked after losing our first 6 games had something to do with him saying yes to being our manager. Yes he will carry the can for the clubs penny pinching and lack of ambition but that's up to him. I would swap places with him for all the pressure he is about to be under for that money as long as it wasn't to manage my club, knowing in my heart I haven't a chance of avoiding relegation with what I will have to work with. Albion is my club its just another cone to him who are willing to pay him a lot of money whatever happens. I will still be supporting them when he is sunning himself in January at his holiday villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:29:43 PM
Do you refer to me as "outside"? If so, outside of what, and why?
Outside of what most of us seem to be thinking. Which doesn't make you necessarily wrong, though I think you'll come round given a little time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
its not what I think its what ive seen ,some players have thrived on abuse and used it to spur them on. one of the worlds most iconic footballers had years of abuse and became a brilliant player ie david beckham

Well, good point about Beckham yes, can't argue with that though I see him as exceptional rather than the general rule.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:33:55 PM
Oh dear, you are offended, and yet you thought to accuse me of making things up. I imagine you felt that an entirely benign comment?

Not since the club was formed as it happens, just a long, long time.

Hahaha, nah it takes a lot worse than a bit of banter to offend me. You have to be thick skinned to support the Albion, as you will surely know, having supported them for soooooooooooo long
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
Outside of what most of us seem to be thinking. Which doesn't make you necessarily wrong, though I think you'll come round given a little time

No, I'm not necessarily wrong as all I have said is give the man a chance before vilifying him and I don't really see how that can be argued with. So far he has not lost a match, got any tactics wrong, picked a player out of position...he hasn't even started and has been slated. So no, I'm not necessarily wrong in asking for a chance for him to prove you all right...or wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Well, good point about Beckham yes, can't argue with that though I see him as exceptional rather than the general rule.

I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:41:47 PM
Listen I don't think you quite get it. It wouldn't matter if we sang we loved the man and the club from 2.30 to 5.00pm on match day from the stands. We will go down next season with the quality of the players and coaching staff we will have by the beginning of the season. And as for Irvine I don't feel sorry for him in any way. Do you really think he cares about West Bromwich Albion. Or do you think the £250000 - £500000 salary he will collect even if he is sacked after losing our first 6 games had something to do with him saying yes to being our manager. Yes he will carry the can for the clubs penny pinching and lack of ambition but that's up to him. I would swap places with him for all the pressure he is about to be under for that money as long as it wasn't to manage my club, knowing in my heart I haven't a chance of avoiding relegation with what I will have to work with. Albion is my club its just another cone to him who are willing to pay him a lot of money whatever happens. I will still be supporting them when he is sunning himself in January at his holiday villa.

Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:43:17 PM
I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.

To be fair I don't agree with abusing opposition players for exactly the Bull reason, some thrive on abuse from enemy fans. Collymoore was another.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:44:56 PM
No, I'm not necessarily wrong as all I have said is give the man a chance before vilifying him and I don't really see how that can be argued with. So far he has not lost a match, got any tactics wrong, picked a player out of position...he hasn't even started and has been slated. So no, I'm not necessarily wrong in asking for a chance for him to prove you all right...or wrong.

Ok, fair enough, but just for the record, what is your opinion? Do you think he is a good appointment or not? Do you think he will keep us up next season or not?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:46:30 PM
Hahaha, nah it takes a lot worse than a bit of banter to offend me. You have to be thick skinned to support the Albion, as you will surely know, having supported them for soooooooooooo long

Was that intended to be sarcastic?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.
That's the whole point if the majority of us are right it isn't FINE. I will have no solace in telling you next year I was right and won't have the will to bother.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on June 16, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=birmingham&region=blackcountry

Tom Ross's interviewing was very weak there. He had a chance to be the first to ask the big questions that really need to be answered (and surely will be asked on Wednesday) but he bottled it.

Where were the questions regarding Irvine's past record in management and the gamble in believing he has now improved enough to go from a 3rd division failure to a top division success? Where were the questions about Tim Sherwood apparently being offered the job and subsequently turning it down? (something I know is probably a lot less straightforward than Sherwood would have you believe). Where were the questions about the future and what our plans are now? Where even were the questions, whether it's Burton's remit or not, about how they are going to get the fans back on side after the biggest fan revolt since the 1990's?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: z0011 on June 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe the horse was lost,
for want of a horse the knight was lost,
for want of a knight the battle was lost,
for want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
So a kingdom was lost—all for want of a nail.

Dear JP,

Please can you spend next season, don’t let US the supporters down. We at WEST BROM are kind of special, we have put up with a lot recently, in fact ever since I can remember when I started supporting my club (since 1978).  We want to see our club become the club it deserves to be, to be a great club, full of dreams that come true. Please can we have a manager that can inspire and manage greatness, can we have players that will deliver greatness and never give up. All we want from you is to give the club a chance to succeed and be the best it can possibility be.

 :(What is it that you want? If you are fed up, then please sell, take what is offered, I am sure you will get your money back and a lot more. Please sell to someone with passion, who loves football for what it gives – HOPE and Passion.  Look around you and see other clubs owners investing and believing in their investment, their football team.  They believe, why can’t you?  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 16, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Seen a few posts from Everton fans defending Irvine and saying how important he was in their Academy.  If a couple came on here and said quite truthfully they would have been more than happy for him to have filled the Manager vacancy left by Moyes, then I would have a little more respect for their views. Somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.
Also, does anyone know if Moyes tried to take Irvine with him as Assistant to Old Trafford? If not, that tells you a bit more about his capability of managing at Premier League level.

I also read a list of players he signed for Sheffield Wednesday and Preston. I can't say I'd heard of one.

Another thing that's important to me as an Albion fan is the type of football we will be playing. I just hope its not going to be a rigid formation based on containing the opponent and nothing else. I'm hoping there may be a place for some flair and attacking entertaining football. Based on what I've heard , I may be disappointed.

I will give him a SHORT period of time to prove me wrong. but by then the damage will probably have been done for the season.  And if relegation follows, the club may be in the doldrums for years to come.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:55:02 PM
Ok, fair enough, but just for the record, what is your opinion? Do you think he is a good appointment or not? Do you think he will keep us up next season or not?

If you check back you'll see on the original thread, once Mel had gone, which I felt to be a huge mistake, then Paul Clement would have been my choice.

As you say, for the record, I was against Sherwood from the moment he was first linked while Pepe was still here and do not consider it any kind of loss that he wasn't appointed.

Irvine wouldn't have been my choice, he wasn't on my radar and when his name came up last week I assumed it was a couple of punters betting long odds that had put it there. I was as shocked as the next man when I saw on Twitter that he had been appointed.

Relegation? I don't know. The odds prior to his appointment were 3/1 and to be honest given how many players we need I think whoever was in charge would have a massive job keeping us up particularly when you consider that the club finishing 17th has been relegated the following year in three of the last four seasons.

If we go down I won't be surprised whoever is in charge come the end of the season.

However I renewed my ticket and won't be asking for a refund as it's Albion I love, not JP, not the players, not the coach, it's Albion I love and Albion I believe in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:55:33 PM
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe the horse was lost,
for want of a horse the knight was lost,
for want of a knight the battle was lost,
for want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
So a kingdom was lost—all for want of a nail.

Dear JP,

Please can you spend next season, don’t let US the supporters down. We at WEST BROM are kind of special, we have put up with a lot recently, in fact ever since I can remember when I started supporting my club (since 1978).  We want to see our club become the club it deserves to be, to be a great club, full of dreams that come true. Please can we have a manager that can inspire and manage greatness, can we have players that will deliver greatness and never give up. All we want from you is to give the club a chance to succeed and be the best it can possibility be.

 :(What is it that you want? If you are fed up, then please sell, take what is offered, I am sure you will get your money back and a lot more. Please sell to someone with passion, who loves football for what it gives – HOPE and Passion.  Look around you and see other clubs owners investing and believing in their investment, their football team.  They believe, why can’t you?  :(
Very very well said!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.

tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.

Neat summary Jim
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 11:02:46 PM
tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.
How ? Its like buying a ticket to sail on the Titanic knowing what is going to happen. Please tell me how to back him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
By backing him you are backing the decision to appoint him and the people responsible for his appointment. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 11:12:20 PM
By backing him you are backing the decision to appoint him and the people responsible for his appointment. >:( >:(

And again giving the thumbs up to Peace to let him do exactly as he pleases.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
How ? Its like buying a ticket to sail on the Titanic knowing what is going to happen. Please tell me how to back him!

Because he's in charge! I don't like it Bry, I 10000 million % dis-agree with it, but, ho hum, what can we do? and as Chipper said, the poor bloke has walked into a tornado, would you take a top Premier league job if it was offered to you? I would! the real question should be why Irvine was considered in the first place, and who exactly thought it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
And again giving the thumbs up to Peace to let him do exactly as he pleases.

but how is that Irvings fault? I agree with you totally, but I just feel your anger is directed at the wrong bod.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:19:01 PM
I wonder what people's reactions would have been if we appointed Alain Irvinho from the youth academy of Valencia who had two poor stints as a manager at say Zaragoza and Mallorca
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 11:21:47 PM
but how is that Irvings fault? I agree with you totally, but I just feel your anger is directed at the wrong bod.

Spot on Jim.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 11:22:27 PM
Because he's in charge! I don't like it Bry, I 10000 million % dis-agree with it, but, ho hum, what can we do? and as Chipper said, the poor bloke has walked into a tornado, would you take a top Premier league job if it was offered to you? I would! the real question should be why Irvine was considered in the first place, and who exactly thought it was a good idea.
look when we are losing our first and second and third game at home I will be singing Peace out not Irvine out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:24:09 PM
look when we are losing our first and second and third game at home I will be singing Peace out not Irvine out.

I'll be joining you mate!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 11:26:40 PM
Tom Ross's interviewing was very weak there. He had a chance to be the first to ask the big questions that really need to be answered (and surely will be asked on Wednesday) but he bottled it.

Where were the questions regarding Irvine's past record in management and the gamble in believing he has now improved enough to go from a 3rd division failure to a top division success? Where were the questions about Tim Sherwood apparently being offered the job and subsequently turning it down? (something I know is probably a lot less straightforward than Sherwood would have you believe). Where were the questions about the future and what our plans are now? Where even were the questions, whether it's Burton's remit or not, about how they are going to get the fans back on side after the biggest fan revolt since the 1990's?
Yes, Ross was hopeless. He could also have asked about what style of play we were intedning to adopt, how many players we were looking  to sign etc etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubby on June 16, 2014, 11:31:39 PM
 As like many a life long supporter of W.B.A I have never felt so angry and horrified as to how our once proud club has descended into this laughingstock that we now see.The club is now very clearly broken from top to bottom and the fans' Oops sorry "CUSTOMERS" have never been so divided.This is clearly not going to go away when the season starts especially now with this controversial appointment of A.I but also the embarrassing things that have happened over the last year or so. Unhappy players leaving or wanting to leave' twitter abuse' racism' Drugs and of cause the disgraceful & disrespectful treatment of the Astle family. The list goes on and on. players of yesteryear must be truly ashamed and of what is happening to this once proud & respected club. Listening to Stoke City fans singing... " YOU LUCKY B******S YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN" on the last day of the season only reminded me of how far we have sunk' and yes they were right. Lets all hope for Mr Irvine's sake that he turns out to be the best coach ever' because if one thing is for sure he's going to need to be. For one reason or another the customers of West Bromwich Albion have had enough and will not stand by and watch the demise of our once great club. This could be a very long and painful season. Rant over.
PS Don't forget to rub our nose in it on Wednesday not only with our new head coach but also our new pinstripe strip and sponsorship of ALDI or LIDL
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on June 16, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
My first post since the "Appointment"!

I'm still in absolute shock! My heart goes out to all my fellow Albion supporters (friends) whom I feel have been led up the garden path by JP's earlier comments leading up to the appointment. It does stink of delay tactics to get season tickets sales in and run down the cooling off period prior to the announcement.

I feel sick to the stomach!  I'm already not looking forward to the season and can only see a lack decent signings (it's not as if our head coach will attract top players hey?). I, although not a season ticket holder due to living in Australia have made the decision to not purchase a new kit for the kids and myself this year as a protest.

I can foresee the melt down we have on this site with bad signings and a terrible start to the season (so hope I'm wrong). My source of everything Albion whilst I've been here will be unbearable.

When I got into work yesterday. I told my work colleague whom is a massive Wednesday fan. He did not know whom we appointed. When I told him he just laughed and said "what the hell would Albion do that for? He would be nowhere on anyone's list!"

He did say "he was a good academy coach but as a head coach not at all". " his biggest problem whilst at Sheffield Wednesday was he would always look at the opponents strengths then play to those, even if SW were a much better team than the opposition. It often would not work and would be as boring as he'll".

I'm willing to give the guy a chance as he is certainly going to need it. But as for JP I think what he has done is despicable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
As like many a life long supporter of W.B.A I have never felt so angry and horrified as to how our once proud club has descended into this laughingstock that we now see.The club is now very clearly broken from top to bottom and the fans' Oops sorry "CUSTOMERS" have never been so divided.This is clearly not going to go away when the season starts especially now with this controversial appointment of A.I but also the embarrassing things that have happened over the last year or so. Unhappy players leaving or wanting to leave' twitter abuse' racism' Drugs and of cause the disgraceful & disrespectful treatment of the Astle family. The list goes on and on. players of yesteryear must be truly ashamed and of what is happening to this once proud & respected club. Listening to Stoke City fans singing... " YOU LUCKY B******S YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN" on the last day of the season only reminded me of how far we have sunk' and yes they were right. Lets all hope for Mr Irvine's sake that he turns out to be the best coach ever' because if one thing is for sure he's going to need to be. For one reason or another the customers of West Bromwich Albion have had enough and will not stand by and watch the demise of our once great club. This could be a very long and painful season. Rant over.
PS Don't forget to rub our nose in it on Wednesday not only with our new head coach but also our new pinstripe strip and sponsorship of ALDI or LIDL


Tip my hat to yeah buddy, spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
Welcome stubby. Your point about Albion fans being regarded as customers rather than supporters by the club is a good one. If that's how they want to regard us, then they shouldn't be surprised if we act more like ripped off customers than disgruntled supporters and, frankly, they deserve nothing else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 16, 2014, 11:37:43 PM
I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.

scott darton..

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubby on June 16, 2014, 11:48:26 PM
Welcome stubby. Your point about Albion fans being regarded as customers rather than supporters by the club is a good one. If that's how they want to regard us, then they shouldn't be surprised if we act more like ripped off customers than disgruntled supporters and, frankly, they deserve nothing else.

Thank you. my first post will hopefully post more as i get used to the site. thanks again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 16, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
 ;D Just wondering if most of the squad will be hiring a bus and driving down to see car salesman Harry at QPR for a gig???

Maybe Odemwingie saw the writing on the wall 18 months ago.......we lambasted him for this??
Maybe he had a point....and maybe it wasn't all his fault?? :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 06:36:49 AM
;D Just wondering if most of the squad will be hiring a bus and driving down to see car salesman Harry at QPR for a gig???

Maybe Odemwingie saw the writing on the wall 18 months ago.......we lambasted him for this??
Maybe he had a point....and maybe it wasn't all his fault?? :P


Think I've said similar somewhere; don't feel it was all the lad's fault now. He's still a bit of a knob though. All that said I wanted him to score when he came on for Nigeria last night.

Getting rid of him, not renewing Lukaku even for one year, getting rid of Long when we were SERIOUSLY short of ANY kind of striker... then not giving Pepe Mel a proper crack - our owner has a game plan - he can't be this stupid - something's going on we don't know about.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 06:38:08 AM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.

To be fair, Roy is not likely to go on record and say that Irvine is pants is he?
All we can do is give him the benefit of the doubt, its not his fault he's been thrown into this cauldron. If he doesn't perform baldy just sacks him and puts Downing in charge again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 17, 2014, 06:39:28 AM
Think I've said similar somewhere; don't feel it was all the lad's fault now. He's still a bit of a knob though. All that said I wanted him to score when he came on for Nigeria last night.

Getting rid of him, not renewing Lukaku even for one year, getting rid of Long when we were SERIOUSLY short of ANY kind of striker... then not giving Pepe Mel a proper crack - our owner has a game plan - he can't be this stupid - something's going on we don't know about.

When a situation is either a conspiracy or a cock up, generally it's a cock up going on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:53:06 AM
Good excuse to give up football for a year and hope JP clears off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 08:00:33 AM
3 days in and i still cant come round.Worried now how the exsisting players are going to react.What respect will they have for a failed league one coach.I just hope there is a gem of a goal scorer out there somewhere because if not we are doomed

what right and grounds does this bloke have to apply for this postion.Is he an idiot or something
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 17, 2014, 08:35:23 AM
Surely he´s not still here >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 08:51:35 AM
Worried now how the exsisting players are going to react.

No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
Terry Burton has also said that Irvine was our "preferred choice", and that Wenger was criticised when he first got the Arsenal job.

Who the hell recommending this bloke to us? Oh yeah, the same bloke who took Dan Ashworth to the FA. Thanks Roy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 09:10:10 AM

Terry Burton: 'We've got a fantastic coach'

Yes, Ellisons do us a fantastic deal!!! Leather seats, the works.....

Correct, great team coach!

FFS....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.

Absolutely bob on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 09:16:27 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:16:32 AM
No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.



What not even a comment from Odemwingie
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well



For me its the first time he sweats in his role
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well

Why would he? He doesn't give a toss about what we think he has proven that time and again. He lives in a bubble just like the players seem to.

As for the players I don't think he will care, as long as he pays their wages on time I don't think they will be too bothered as they will just do what they have done for the last couple of managers and end up doing their all to get them the sack.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well

So now it's become ok for the players to disrespect the manager  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 17, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
Terry Burton just on Radio WM blowing smoke up Irvines ass (as he would).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:30:11 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:33:43 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely.

I think this is the first time we've appointed a categorical failure. So far Peace has appointed Robson (had a good spell at Middlesbrough), Mowbray (did a good job at Hibs, played attractive football), Di Matteo (good job at McDons), Hodgson (overall great coaching career) and Pepe Mel (by all accounts did a decent job at Betis whilst playing attractive football).

Irvine is an absolute failure as a manager, with a negative defensive style to "compliment" poor results and a relegation with Sheffield Wednesday.

Whilst every managerial appointment is a risk, this one is absolutely ridiculous and is destined to fail.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
So now it's become ok for the players to disrespect the manager  ::)

And the fans. But don't let the fact he hasn't moved into his office stop anyone treating him with contempt. Nor by that standards give the man who hired him the opportunity to prove why he's been hired, just jump in say it's a disgrace and hide if it comes off. He not an inspiring name, but if you're seriously suggesting Peace cares so little about the club he'd put anyone in charge why not Downing? Or Doris the tea lady, or someone even cheaper? He's here for his coaching ability, and last time I checked he hasn't started to coach our club yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:37:25 AM
And the fans. But don't let the fact he hasn't moved into his office stop anyone treating him with contempt. Nor by that standards give the man who hired him the opportunity to prove why he's been hired, just jump in say it's a disgrace and hide if it comes off. He not an inspiring name, but if you're seriously suggesting Peace cares so little about the club he'd put anyone in charge why not Downing? Or Doris the tea lady, or someone even cheaper? He's here for his coaching ability, and last time I checked he hasn't started to coach our club yet.

I really do admire your ability to ignore the facts about Alan Irvine's managerial "credentials", and to blindly hope that it comes off. I hope it does but I'm sorry I just can't see it at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:44:42 AM
Blind hope appears to be all we have left quite frankly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 09:46:06 AM

Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."

Well if they're that upset me and my mate will drive him back there this afternoon!!!

Just let me know, Terry. I won't even charge for fuel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."

Well if they're that upset me and my mate will drive him back there this afternoon!!!

Just let me know, Terry. I won't even charge for fuel....



I havent seen any banners on the gates at Gooodison yet.What a stupid comment.Burton just another yes man
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:50:48 AM


I havent seen any banners on the gates at Gooodison yet.What a stupid comment.Burton just another yes man

I think he was alluding more to the Everton FC staff within the club...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
I think westbrom.com should follow in the footsteps of our beloved club and add a new member category of 'Head Coach Baggie'.  Of course you won't have to make as many posts to gain this status as a 'Coach Baggie' - they are far far more important in the hierarchy - and really you don't need much gravitas or posting history to to be of this status, so presumably shouldn't have achieved pm status as yet - somewhere between 'newbie' and 'baby baggie' should suffice.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
I think he was alluding more to the Everton FC staff within the club...



If thats the case why isnt he no 2 there.He was in his rightfull place there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 17, 2014, 09:57:35 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely.
Is it??  Dont think so RDM and Mogga stars were very much in the ascendent, Clarke had been a number 2 at 2 of the biggest clubs in our league, Roy had managed everywhere, only Robson was risky and he was a past hero of the club . Most of the appointments were supposedly up and coming can hardly say that about this division 1 failure >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
He's so good that Moyes didn't take him to Utd and he didn't get the No 2 spot at Everton.
Why do these people at the club try and treat us all like cretins.
We all know that this is destined to fail.
If I am proved wrong and we go on to have a very good season I am more than willing to stand outside the Astle gates on the last match day of the season with my tojjer on a platter, if all you that are happy to see us all go headlong into the abyss do the same if I'm right
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: George47 on June 17, 2014, 10:04:12 AM
We fans all know what the outcome is from this ludicrous appointment, we have half a poor squad ,a manager with a shocking record, no flair, no charisma to attract players, no funds to attract players a club in total disarray from last seasons well documented disputes, an assistant manager in Downing who was instrumental in our decline over past 18 months, and a chairman with contempt for the fanbase. In my opinion we will be bottom by Christmas, Irvine will be sacked, no new manager will want to take on the job , players will leave and we will be relegated with 6 games to go . With Keith Downing in charge!!  What a disaster, and to think we had the next England manager and came 8th in the league 14 months ago, oh the joy of supporting the Baggies.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:06:23 AM
I really do admire your ability to ignore the facts about Alan Irvine's managerial "credentials", and to blindly hope that it comes off. I hope it does but I'm sorry I just can't see it at all.

I'm not ignoring anything - though I do think that we focus a lot on track records and not on abilities. Like I've said plenty of times I think the appointment is poor considering some people we've spoken to but I reserve my judgement until he's actually had chance to prove us right or wrong. I'd also like to point out that he didn't relegate Preston, he got them from 15th in the league to the playoffs and his sacking resulted in a demonstration by Preston fans when he left.

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240220/Preston-7-Colchester-0-Jon-Parkin-scores-hat-trick-managerless-Preston-run-riot.html)

He also had moments of success with Wednesday despite taking them down (and SW twice having winding up orders in court through financial problems) and was replaced by Gary Megson who was also sacked. It's not a Guardiolaesque career but if Everton deemed him good enough to hire to develop their youth team (Barkley, Stone, etc) he's got something about him they saw too. It doesn't mean he will be great but he has some ability.

I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't. But I simply cannot hope or wish we do badly to prove a point - I can't even bet against us, it doesn't feel right. I only want this appointment to come off because it means the club will do well, not because I'm delusional.

In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now; it's not rocket science to see that coaches fortunes come down to who's on the pitch getting results. A manager can't single handedly kill player talent and so it's essential we get some good players in and I think anyone who thinks that a coach has more bearing on a players decision to come to a club than money is daft.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
We fans all know what the outcome is from this ludicrous appointment, we have half a poor squad ,a manager with a shocking record, no flair, no charisma to attract players, no funds to attract players a club in total disarray from last seasons well documented disputes, an assistant manager in Downing who was instrumental in our decline over past 18 months, and a chairman with contempt for the fanbase. In my opinion we will be bottom by Christmas, Irvine will be sacked, no new manager will want to take on the job , players will leave and we will be relegated with 6 games to go . With Keith Downing in charge!!  What a disaster, and to think we had the next England manager and came 8th in the league 14 months ago, oh the joy of supporting the Baggies.

Well we don't KNOW, you're assuming. And then getting upset about it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 10:12:01 AM
In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now

Good job our player recruitment has been top notch in the last 12-18 months then! ;D

I really do feel sorry for the bloke, to be honest he will be in the exact same position as Pepe Mel who everyone rallied behind - having to coach a squad full of mediocre, selfish, arrogant footballers, having to work with (and be undermined by) the current coaching staff, having to recruit players for minimal outlay in terms of transfer fees and wages.

Our situation was bad enough without an exceptionally poor Head Coach appointment, I think that's what has tipped everyone over the edge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE IGNORING THE MAIN ISSUE IN AN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY IRVINE

Its not him people are protesting and upset about, ITS THE FACT OF HIS APPOINTEMENT AND THE MUPPET WHO APPOINTED HIM.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless and no-one should be having a pop at him for simply accepting a job offer, and this should be made clear to the press as well. What people are drunk off about and protesting about is the fact that he has actually been considered for the job in the first place and actually awarded the job by our board of directors of which Peace is the head !!!

THATS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

When you appoint anyone who applied for a job, you look at their track record, their failures and successes, then make a decision. ANYONE can see this bloke has been a perpetual failure and if he is the best candidate for this job, THEN I'M A CHINAMAN !!!.....as the saying goes.

So for the visually impared......THIS IS NOT ABOUT IRVINE, ITS ABOUT HIS APPOINTMENT AND THE P***K WHO CHOSE HIM AS THE BEST CANDIDATE !!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
Good job our player recruitment has been top notch in the last 12-18 months then! ;D

I really do feel sorry for the bloke, to be honest he will be in the exact same position as Pepe Mel who everyone rallied behind - having to coach a squad full of mediocre, selfish, arrogant footballers, having to work with (and be undermined by) the current coaching staff, having to recruit players for minimal outlay in terms of transfer fees and wages.

Our situation was bad enough without an exceptionally poor Head Coach appointment, I think that's what has tipped everyone over the edge.




No he wont.Everyone wont ralley round like they did with Mel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:20:01 AM


If thats the case why isnt he no 2 there.He was in his rightfull place there

I don't know? Maybe you could ask the Everton academy a question that I obviously don't know the answer to.

Try speaking to the guy for the email address he used when he emailed the Everton academy demanding they held him to his contract, stay classy Albion fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 17, 2014, 10:20:45 AM
but why not would be my question, as as been stated by Greenock it's not his fault he got the job his only crime was to apply for it, we can all go on about his record but the beloved Pepe's was rubbish to so why can't he be shown the same respect as him,

it's PEACE we all need to get at not Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 10:34:18 AM
I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't.

Yes what we are not party to is that Irvine was the best coach in the Boards eyes who would do the job for the wage and conditions offered. Peace will not pay  enough for or give the control to any good manager who would work for him. That’s the something they see and we don’t see explicitly.
Name me another Premiership club who regularly employs their Managers/Coach on 1 year rolling contracts. If Irvine was so good why didn’t they offer him a 3 year contract like Southampton have with Koeman.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
but why not would be my question, as as been stated by Greenock it's not his fault he got the job his only crime was to apply for it, we can all go on about his record but the beloved Pepe's was rubbish to so why can't he be shown the same respect as him,

it's PEACE we all need to get at not Irvine

And regardless until Irvine proves to be a bad appointment you can't slate Peace either. You can't rally behind and support a manager when you've already assumed will be bad. If he turns out good (which we don't know he won't) what of your Peace hatred then? If you're prepared to give Irvine a chance, by that association give Peace a chance. It's a dangerous state of affairs if you're prepared to act on your own convictions and not on real life.

And Bry, it's damage control. Would you be more or less annoyed that Irvine was offered a three year deal considering he's already unpopular. Koeman will have to be paid whatever is left of that contract should he be sacked. United paid millions in severance to a man who got them dreadful results and lasted 8 months because they had him on a four year deal. Not giving him a long deal doesn't prove anything. Name me one manager that successfully leaves a club at the end of his contract without being sacked, resigning or being approached by another club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 17, 2014, 10:41:22 AM



No he wont.Everyone wont ralley round like they did with Mel

That's half the problem too..  They get rid of  Mel whom the majority of the fans were right behind and actually willing to give him a chance to put his stamp on the squad ( even after a dire season) ,  he's let go before getting anywhere near a fair shot and now we are meant to put that belief into someone who's done literally jack all in his managerial career.  Mel was wanted by his old fans, Plauded by other managers and football pundits regarding his style of football,  even the betis fans kicked off when he was sacked from there).

What exactly has AI done to give us hope apart from blood good talent (which we constantly let's go to other clubs anyways.


I'm not sure how we are meant to buy into it when we have literally nothing positive to cling onto from his appointment.  With other managers,  wether we had wanted them or not,  we had excitement regarding their links regarding players to buy or loan atleast,  we have literally bugger all now. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 17, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
Terry Burton just on Radio WM blowing smoke up Irvines ass (as he would).
Didn't hear the WM interview but i have heard the Tom Ross one , Burton kept hammering home the point about Irvine being a players coach be it young or old ....trouble is he didn't answer the question on quality signings and we certainly don't want another 5 half hearted loan signings.
We are just going to have to wait and see with Irvine , a few decent signings before the first game would sweeten the issue i believe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."
That's a bizarre thing to say and so takes Burton down a notch in my book. Judging by this comment, he's quickly picked up the club policy of not taking the fans seriously.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 17, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
That's a bizarre thing to say and so takes Burton down a notch in my book. Judging by this comment, he's quickly picked up the club policy of not taking the fans seriously.
Depends what angle you look at it , if it means regarding the great job he was doing in their academy (by all accounts) then i can see what Burton means . Bit harsh to be jumping on Burton just yet IMO , lets see what players arrive first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 17, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
I am still bemused by the appointment of Irvine (and still think it is diabolical) but in many ways what bemuses more is how Jeremy Peace engineered such a total PR disaster.  First of all he gives his big mea culpa speech and talks up that he is looking at appointing a high quality head coach with Premiership experience.  We then have a long drawn out wait and finally get Irvine.  No wonder we are angry.  It's bit like you had queued up at Tesco for five hours expecting to buy fillet steak and then were offered a couple of dried up chipolatas.  Peace must realise that you cannot build up people's expectations and then deliver dross.

Clearly Peace hasn't learned the lesson that no-one of any worth now wants to be head coach here.  Look at the Clarke appointment.  Another long drawn out process.  Then Clarke gets sacked by Liverpool and out of the blue we have the head coach Peace always wanted (ha bloody ha).  They couldn't get anyone else.  Then again, the Pepe Mel appointment.  Clearly he wasn't happy with the terms and conditions originally offered to him - they couldn't find anyone else so that had to modify the their offer to him just enough to bring him in - and then give him the boot when it was clear that he wouldn't be happy with the type of squad they would allow him to build.

And now Irvine has been appointed Peace drops below the parapet again and Burton is left to come out with weak platitudes which do not address the real issues.  I think Peace must have taken lessons from Tony "I am not responsible for the total mess and carnage in Iraq" Blair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 11:27:33 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet, if it has sorry for duplicating.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/17/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-could-be-our-brendan-rodgers/

Wow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 17, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
Terry also said Arsene Wengers appointment was slammed by Arsenals fans  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet, if it has sorry for duplicating.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/17/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-could-be-our-brendan-rodgers/

Wow.

So i criteria for who should lead our team is a very good coach who has some experience in management - so it doesn't really matter if you can't read the game, be tactically naive, have little understanding of the league you are working in, have little to no experience of when and how to make substitions, not being able to analyse the opposition and pick the correct starting 11  - as long as you are a very good coach.  That isn't having a go at Irvine he may have some of those qualities - I'm having a go at the criteria - I think there is more to winning games in the premiership than just being able to be a very good coach. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Does anyone know if Irvine actually took charge of the Everton U21 team? Or was he just responsible for coaching and someone else picked the team?

Just wondered as I recall our kids beating Everton 5-0 last season. :o ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 12:34:11 PM

If as Terry Burtons says  “Irvine is a top top coach” why didn’t Everton promote him from the kids team instead of appointing Roberto Martínez as their head coach. Please don’t insult my intelligence or football knowledge. Terry Burton is beginning to sound like that other old school dinosaur Joe Kinnear when he became director of football at Newcastle. Look at what a success that was and how arogant he was that his knowledge was so superior to any fan. Infact I think they may have worked together
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
If as Terry Burtons says  “Irvine is a top top coach” why didn’t Everton promote him from the kids team instead of appointing Roberto Martínez as their head coach. Please don’t insult my intelligence or football knowledge. Terry Burton is beginning to sound like that other old school dinosaur Joe Kinnear when he became director of football at Newcastle. Look at what a success that was and how arogant he was that his knowledge was so superior to any fan. Infact I think they may have worked together

Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role. Then saying Burton would be a disaster like Kinnear 'because he sounds like him'? Nice justification.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 17, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
The more I hear the more it sounds like Downing has been given the job with Irvine being the scapegoat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 12:59:30 PM
Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role. Then saying Burton would be a disaster like Kinnear 'because he sounds like him'? Nice justification.
No the proof of that is the blokes track record FFS !!! wake up and smell the coffee, this bloke should never in a million years been considered for any role involving a premier league team !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:00:58 PM
We have fans who think they should say or try to do something about the situation we are in and others who say we should accept the situation as anything that is not for the club is against it. I despair. I feel there is absolutely nothing I can do for the club I love. If as suggested by some I should go to the games, sing and applaud the team from start to finish will make no difference. We will be relegated next season everything that is happening and is in place screams that fact despite all the contributors who keep saying we just have to wait and see.
I have paid for my season ticket and that fact will have no positive affect on the potential of keeping the club in the premiership, gives no say to if I want blue and white stripes on our shirts, if the club should support and respect Jeff Astles family and their campaign. I am sick of being angry I am sick of arguing I am sick of caring about the Albion, and that is the saddest conclusion of it all. I don’t know what to do because there is nothing I can do but to sit and watch the slow motion car crash of next season. Well to all you optimists (of whom there aren’t many) lets all sit back together and watch the next instalment. Of the 10 super star players the club will bring in well before deadline day who will make all this angst and concern seem like a distant nightmare.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 01:02:05 PM
The more I hear the more it sounds like Downing has been given the job with Irvine being the scapegoat.


Yes Keith will be pulling the strings alright
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: freddy73 on June 17, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Well if by some miracle this joke appointment actually works out, the end of season theme is already sorted surely?
Father Ted - Feck backside (which at the moment sums up my feelings towards the club)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
No the proof of that is the blokes track record FFS !!! wake up and smell the coffee, this bloke should never in a million years been considered for any role involving a premier league team !!!

Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.

By your reckoning we could appoint Coco the bloody Clown as Head Coach and he wouldn't be a failure because "we haven't given him a chance to fail yet".

Come on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 17, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
The comments from TB sound very defensive and almost confrontational.

This makes me wonder if JP has said something along the lines of,
I've been criticised because I'm an accountant, ok thats true, I'm going to learn from my mistakes, TB you are a "football man" here are the numbers go and find the best man you can within these parameters and get him in asap.
TB has "found" AI and is now immediately under the cosh from both directions, public and JP. This would explain why JP is not attending the un-veiling of AI, "well TB you found him, you take the can for him, you deal with it".

I don't blame AI taking a job which is fantastic given his credentials and I accept that JP has full responsibility but maybe, just maybe, we are all looking in the wrong direction.

What do we know about TB's ability to recruit the right coach???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on June 17, 2014, 01:23:29 PM
I would rather take back Alan Buckley and a load of Grimsby rejects than have Irvine.
That is what we're going to be heading back to mid table championship mediocrity.
Sideways and backwards here we come!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
By your reckoning we could appoint Coco the bloody Clown as Head Coach and he wouldn't be a failure because "we haven't given him a chance to fail yet".

Come on.

Whatever, aim things at me personally, I couldn't give a damn, I'm just saying you can be opposed to the appointment without going insane. You sit there drunk off all summer, seething, demanding your money back, hating the club and its custodians, taking rubbish off every Dingle and Seal you know, spending your wages on bed sheets and paint, already planning your away trips in the Championship, and I'll join you in December if and when things go to pot.

Enjoy your summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.

By your logic then some team outside of Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal could win the league next season. ITS a fact without a ball being kicked Everton or Totenham can win the league. But they wont and we wont stay up. I wait with great anticipation for your next He hasn't been in charge for a single game speech when we know the signings we have made before kick off of the fist game of the season. I'm sure again I will be just as inspired to give the club and its decisions my disdain as I am now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.
Why dont you just sit and fiddle while Rome burns, the rest of us will try ( probably without success ) to avert such a disaster. I take no pride in coming on here in 6 to 12 months time when this bloke has failed ( again ) and saying I told you so.
I would love nothing more than to eat my words but I know which scenario my money will be on..........and its not your "roses round the door" option I can tell you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 01:32:30 PM
Well if by some miracle this joke appointment actually works out, the end of season theme is already sorted surely?
Father Ted - Feck backside (which at the moment sums up my feelings towards the club)


If it does work and we stay up i will ride on horseback around the streets of west bromwich like Lady Gadiva did around Coventry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
Whatever, aim things at me personally, I couldn't give a damn, I'm just saying you can be opposed to the appointment without going insane. You sit there drunk off all summer, seething, demanding your money back, hating the club and its custodians, taking rubbish off every Dingle and Seal you know, spending your wages on bed sheets and paint, already planning your away trips in the Championship, and I'll join you in December if and when things go to pot.

Enjoy your summer.

Finally I get your point. Buts that's the sad part when one finally concedes that there is nothing I can F***ING do to help the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 01:40:07 PM

Has Terry Burton realised he meant to compare Alan Irvine to Buck Rogers, rather than Brendan Rodgers yet??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:59:40 PM
There you go our new probable  first signing under Irvine - Sean St Ledger
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:04:37 PM
Getting set for the Championship ( and below ) already, we're off to an early start
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 02:09:39 PM

Finally I get your point. Buts that's the sad part when one finally concedes that there is nothing I can F***ING do to help the club I love.

I'm prepared to take any personal comments directed at me that people who aggressively disagree with my views deem worthy of expressing, but I've said numerous times that I don't agree with the appointment and I don't think we will come out of this well. But to save myself months of anguish over it I will save my despair for when it becomes true. It'll need a miracle but until then I'm not going to work myself into a frenzy where I fall out of love with the club on the possibility the worst happens, then remain in the wilderness if the worst doesn't happen.

By all means i would love everyone to be proved wrong, not because I like Peace, or approve of the appointment, or because I like Irvine, or because I want to say 'I told you so' but because in being proved wrong the club I love will have done well. I respect those willing to act on their anger and will not say you're wrong. But for my own sanity I will not join you until it is certain that this was the wrong choice. Point to facts in the past all you like, but football isn't played on paper. If past records were gospel we wouldn't have beaten Manchester United last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:12:56 PM
Those of us that do want to try and do something have nothing to lose by trying
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 17, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
He was in charge of Everton's academy and Martinez speaks highly of him so hopefully his ideas have changed since being manager of Sheff Wed and Preston and he might get us playing some good stuff. I still expect him to make us organised and hard to beat but we can't be subjected to dross. Maybe the set up here and working with better players might make him thrive compared to his other managerial jobs. It's rare that we will find a head coach with a unblemished record.  Brendan Rodgers left Reading one place above the relegation zone a couple of years ago but proved himself at Swansea. Irvine could prove himself here or maybe I'm just trying to make sense of this appointment.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 17, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Ha Ha pictures of father Ted already, fair play
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 17, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
Those of us that do want to try and do something have nothing to lose by trying

To quote Edmund Burke " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" I am aware that this is completely melodramatic and we are not talking about war crimes but we are talking about something dear to people's hearts and something they want to put right, doesn't make the "bed sheet" brigade or the refund season ticket holders any better or worse then any other fan but they have need to express their anger. They feel a wrong has been done and they are trying to put it right.

I applaud the tryers and I applaud the give Peace a chance brigade after all we are part of this site because of our passion for the Albion however I wish AI well, he is not the cause of this injustice that has been going on for at least the last season, this appointment is just a small part of the steady decline of our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 17, 2014, 02:45:10 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.

To be fair, I think that could happen, but a large number of fans will want AI to do well, because naturally if he succeeds it's good for everyone.

Poisonous is the key word though, and it's infected the relationship between the fans and JP/ the Board. 

I really want to see more from the Board now in terms of properly engaging with fans, treating us as fans not customers and investing in the squad. And rather than let all this fester and spoil my summer, I have just e-mailed Mark Jenkins about it.

I am now off to p*ss in the wind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
On the odd occasion that I will be attending, I will give my whole-hearted support to the team on the pitch. I WILL NEVER SHOUT THE MANAGERS NAME ( either in support or abuse as I dont blame him ) BUT..........

Peace is another matter, he is a disgrace of a chairman for even considering this bloke or making our club the poor attraction to potential managers/coaches that it has become so that this bloke wiuth a track record of failure is the best we can come up with after 5 weeks of searching

Its just unbelievable what has happened. We were good enough to attract Hodgson 2 years ago from Liverpool ( albeit that he had failed there though not totally through his own making ) to Evertons youth team coach who's last first team job was to get Sheff Wed relegated to division 1 ffs !!

HOW CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY THIS, its all down to Peace.........NO-ONE ELSE !!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 17, 2014, 02:52:37 PM
Or the only candidate who was willing to work within the constraints. All credible applicants walked away leaving this poor desperado. That's why no-one from the club has come out with any rally cry, Peace didn't want him anymore than they wanted Mel, he just hamstrung himself with the constraints applied by his ridiculous power trip.
Peace could call the shots and play hardball when we were on the up, now we are on the wane no-one will take the risk and walk away from the negotiations leaving us with the dross at the bottom of the list. Peace will probably still be stroking his ego that no-one got the better of him, but long term he will be the loser, as will we.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 17, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
This is what you need to do to get the UEFA Pro Licence, a requirement to manage in the EPL. Clearly, there's more to it than just teaching.


Quote
Potential candidates must meet the following criteria:

Applicants must hold a current UEFA ‘A’ Licence, with priority given to applicants holding the English FA Award •• Applicants from outside the UK must hold the current A Licence equivalent award of that country, with priority given to holders of The FA UEFA ‘A’ Coaching Licence
All applicants must typically have experience in the professional game (or women’s equivalent) at senior level as either a player (minimum five yearsexperience), player coach, coach, assistant manager or manager
Priority will be given to applicants who have significant coaching experience with senior players in the domestic professional game
Applications are considered by the UEFA Pro-Licence Admissions Committee, which is made up of a representative from The FA, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Footballers’ Association, Premier League and Football League and the intake is agreed to commence the course in January 2013.

Course content

The following modules will be covered:

Professional communication

Communicating with players
Communicating with staff
Communicating with senior management, owners and senior stakeholders
Communicating with the media, wider community and supporters
Communicating with third party talent identification and recruitment agencies
Leadership, management of self and others

Influence and influencing
Practical applications of leadership
Leading and developing staff and associates
Leading winning teams in the modern game
Managing oneself and handling the pressures of management
Decision-making, and time and priority management
Performance management

Tactical understanding of the game and of systems of play
Technical understanding of play and players
Talent identification and recruitment
Performance analysis and purposeful use of data
Seasonal planning and preparation
Weekly planning, preparation and management
Match day management
Understanding and utilisation of physical conditioning, recovery and rehabilitation
Developing and sustaining a winning culture
Football business and finance

Understanding finance
Building a brand
Employment and contract law
Commercial and other revenue opportunities
Marketing and public relations
Course assessment

In order to complete the Licence, students must attend all modules and complete all associated distance learning and course tasks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 17, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.

I don't see why there would be a poisonous atmosphere against Irvine unless he makes decisions that almost everyone can see is a wrong one like the square pegs in round holes we have seen in the past when alternatives are available in those positions. I think any poison will be aimed at Peace and Irvine is just the unfortunate man in the role.

Everyone wants the club to do well and make the most of the position we are in. Yes its all about staying in the league for a club like us and yes finishing 8th was above our levels and we're unlikely to do it again. I understand and to an extent accept that but still struggle to see how Irvine is the best option available to a club like ourselves getting ready for yet another season in the top flight and after 5 weeks of searching and even longer when it was obvious that Mel would be leaving, that is something I will never get my head round even if he does succeed.

A decent cup run occasionally would also work wonders to help boost morale.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 17, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
I don't see why there would be a poisonous atmosphere against Irvine unless he makes decisions that almost everyone can see is a wrong one like the square pegs in round holes we have seen in the past when alternatives are available in those positions. I think any poison will be aimed at Peace and Irvine is just the unfortunate man in the role.

Everyone wants the club to do well and make the most of the position we are in. Yes its all about staying in the league for a club like us and yes finishing 8th was above our levels and we're unlikely to do it again. I understand and to an extent accept that but still struggle to see how Irvine is the best option available to a club like ourselves getting ready for yet another season in the top flight and after 5 weeks of searching and even longer when it was obvious that Mel would be leaving, that is something I will never get my head round even if he does succeed.

A decent cup run occasionally would also work wonders to help boost morale.


Agree with all this apart from the bit in bold. Yes 8th was superb and there was luck involved.

But it was also down to planning, performances, sound management and everyone pulling in the same direction.

What I maintain is that if it has happened once through hard work and graft, then you can create the conditions for the like to happened again.

Let's not get overambitious, but let's not be too modest. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
I've heard the horror stories From Wednesday fans. The home Yeovil game when Yeovil had 9 men and a 2 goal lead. He went Ultra defensive for 78 minutes. It was the game that ultimately got him the sack. Ironically I can't, don't and won't blame Irvine next season. I hold the board responable, after all the rubbish in 90's I thought we were in safe hands. we come a long way to just p1ss it alll down a drain. This will be my last ST unless something drastic happens. I can no longer justify the expendature
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on June 17, 2014, 06:06:10 PM
If/When we do poorly next year it will not be down to Irvine, we have had a shocking 18months on and off the field.

For the last 10 years ive been very proud how we have conducted our business on and off the field. Not now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on June 17, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
This is what you need to do to get the UEFA Pro Licence, a requirement to manage in the EPL. Clearly, there's more to it than just teaching.
On a lighter note, looking at the 6th line from the bottom "understanding finance", how the hell did 'Arry ever get his license ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 17, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Still fuming... I thought it would have passed by now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:01:14 PM
Here's a video of his first interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM&feature=share&list=UUnDBNo0zLm11TTXPVXvEN1g
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
Interestingly in the video I've just posted he claims to be a 'purist' - he likes attractive football and likes to see his team controlling the game and dictating the tempo. He then followed that by the importance of winning and using a variety of systems and strategies. In fairness, I would expect any manager to say attractive football when they are asked that question - the proof will be in the pudding.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
at 0:30 does he say "I'm enjoying my first Mauling"?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 07:11:38 PM
I like attacking football "BUT" I'm a realist  ;D 1 step forward 2 steps back there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 17, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:31:13 PM
On a lighter note, looking at the 6th line from the bottom "understanding finance", how the hell did 'Arry ever get his license ???
Now that did make me chuckle!! .....unless his dog went with him!! :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 07:31:20 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.

Surely the head coach would decide the style of play, with the DOF taking care of the signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 17, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
at 0:30 does he say "I'm enjoying my first Mauling"?
He does, but I think he meant Mourning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.

No mate Head coach's job is to handle all things on field including matchday tatics. what you suggest would be like Ashworth picking Hodgson's team and tactics when they were both here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 17, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
No mate Head coach's job is to handle all things on field including matchday tatics. what you suggest would be like Ashworth picking Hodgson's team and tactics when they were both here
That is the assumption (and because of the way other British clubs have historically done their business). Irvine has said he is here to coach and is it unreasonable that he is given a mandate from the club as to the way in which he takes this forward?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
I like attacking football "BUT" I'm a realist  ;D 1 step forward 2 steps back there
To be fair that is probably the exact kind of thing Hodgson would've said. I've been stewing sincethe appointment was made, not posting on here very much. I'm very much behind Alan Irvine now, he HAS to be given the chance to prove himself. But that's it. If he doesn't take the chance by october, november then Peace needs to re-think.

I'm also 100% behind everybody that wants Peace out. Unless this is a masterstroke, which right now i'm not holding high hopes for, then he's really holding the club back. I think we were all very excited by the prospect of Sherwood joining us, but that has gone now.

Even though none of us like it, Irvine needs to be supported come match time along with the 11 on the pitch. We as fans need to stick together.

It's a massive shame that he hasn't shown ambition (ala Southampton with Koeman) and there is nothing to excite us about Irvine, but he's here, and we need to let him prove himself. But like i've said, that's all he gets. If he does? Then i'd say Peace got lucky and we still need to evolve from him.

I've probably contradicted myself here, i don't really care because this is the first time i've typed out my feelings.

In summary: gutted, let down, underwhelmed, but it'd done now so let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on June 17, 2014, 07:56:09 PM
JP needs to thank Leeds for not getting the most ridiculous deal of the week award. we are not the only ones fuming I would guess
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
That is the assumption (and because of the way other British clubs have historically done their business). Irvine has said he is here to coach and is it unreasonable that he is given a mandate from the club as to the way in which he takes this forward?
Then to turn an old saying on its head. We have too many Indians and sadly not enough Chiefs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dan7heman on June 17, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
Ok it's not AI's fault he got the job. . And 99.9% of me is distraught. . My main worry after this and the last 12 months is, what player in their right mind would ever sign for us? 3 out the last 4 17th placed clubs have gone down in the very next season. Hard to see us becoming another statistic but . . The lords my shepherd.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:27:46 PM
To be fair that is probably the exact kind of thing Hodgson would've said. I've been stewing sincethe appointment was made, not posting on here very much. I'm very much behind Alan Irvine now, he HAS to be given the chance to prove himself. But that's it. If he doesn't take the chance by october, november then Peace needs to re-think.

I'm also 100% behind everybody that wants Peace out. Unless this is a masterstroke, which right now i'm not holding high hopes for, then he's really holding the club back. I think we were all very excited by the prospect of Sherwood joining us, but that has gone now.

Even though none of us like it, Irvine needs to be supported come match time along with the 11 on the pitch. We as fans need to stick together.

It's a massive shame that he hasn't shown ambition (ala Southampton with Koeman) and there is nothing to excite us about Irvine, but he's here, and we need to let him prove himself. But like i've said, that's all he gets. If he does? Then i'd say Peace got lucky and we still need to evolve from him.

I've probably contradicted myself here, i don't really care because this is the first time i've typed out my feelings.

In summary: gutted, let down, underwhelmed, but it'd done now so let's see what he can do.

Ths Window wlll define what happens in May sadly, As for Irvine. He used fear teams such as Yeovil and Bournemouth and go so negative its unbelieveable. I dread to think how he'll handle the Prem
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 17, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[ 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 08:43:06 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

Well i take it Alan Irvine was the reaction of 99.9% of albion fans on saturday afternoon!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

Yeah we need to respect and give him a chance to prove himself. Any hatred should be aimed towards Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 08:53:16 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

A portion of our fan base have shown their true colours over the last couple of days. No class whatsoever.  :-[

Those who preached about Peace's treatment of Mel and then they do this to the next man in...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 09:33:21 PM
Yeah we need to respect and give him a chance to prove himself. Any hatred should be aimed towards Peace.

I have said elsewhere that I'm disabled and that one of my ex-carer's is a Sheffield Wednesday fan. Irvine took over when Brain laws went to Burnley. They were in bad but to be fair at the beginning he had decent run. However, the last 10 games were a disaster and they would hav been relegated had palace who they played on last day not gone nto admin. They needed a win, he played for a draw. When he was sacked in league 1 they were 12th 8pts off the relegation zone. The game that got hm sacked was Yeovil at Hillsborough. The visitors had scored twice but had 2 players sent off withn the first 12 minutes. Irvine went long ball and ultra defensive. They lost that and Mandaric fired him.  Now he maybe the BEST coach in the world on the Training pitch but he doesn't seem to have a clue about tactics. to put it in perspective Micheal Appleton, with that game against West Ham has more experience in the Premiership than Alan Irvine. I won't call him Alan Irvine because I'm not going to disrespect him personally But I don't think he's up to the job. What were the club thinking??   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:56:59 PM
I'm not ignoring anything - though I do think that we focus a lot on track records and not on abilities. Like I've said plenty of times I think the appointment is poor considering some people we've spoken to but I reserve my judgement until he's actually had chance to prove us right or wrong. I'd also like to point out that he didn't relegate Preston, he got them from 15th in the league to the playoffs and his sacking resulted in a demonstration by Preston fans when he left.

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240220/Preston-7-Colchester-0-Jon-Parkin-scores-hat-trick-managerless-Preston-run-riot.html)

He also had moments of success with Wednesday despite taking them down (and SW twice having winding up orders in court through financial problems) and was replaced by Gary Megson who was also sacked. It's not a Guardiolaesque career but if Everton deemed him good enough to hire to develop their youth team (Barkley, Stone, etc) he's got something about him they saw too. It doesn't mean he will be great but he has some ability.

I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't. But I simply cannot hope or wish we do badly to prove a point - I can't even bet against us, it doesn't feel right. I only want this appointment to come off because it means the club will do well, not because I'm delusional.

In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now; it's not rocket science to see that coaches fortunes come down to who's on the pitch getting results. A manager can't single handedly kill player talent and so it's essential we get some good players in and I think anyone who thinks that a coach has more bearing on a players decision to come to a club than money is daft.
They might have demonstrated after his sacking but his sacking was a result of a run of 1 win in 10 games! For me I would hardly call that firing an overreaction from the club. As for Everton seeing something in him sure I agree with you they saw him as a good coach that can bring players along improving their footballing skills! That is not the qualities we need in the head coach of our first team! Our club is in shambles compared to just 2-3 seasons ago and we needed an experienced appt. that has a history they could point to that demonstrates they have the ability to employ various tactics so a successful game plan can be put together thus if implemented by the players giving us the best chance to win! Entering our 5th season in the league we should not be having a squad full of young inexperienced players in our first team that require the need of having a great teaching, training ground type coach that Terry Burton brags AI is. Sure you want to have some youth in the squad but not so many that you need to cater to their needs in the hiring of the first team coach. By the time they are playing regular first team football in the PL you would hope your first team players are not needing to be trained up and "coached" that's why you employ the likes of AI for your reserve/youth teams so as to prepare them to make that move into the senior squad! But as long as the club won't part ways with KD & DK were not going to be appointing anyone that is established and experienced! I want to see the incriminating photos those two must have of JP doing something very illegal or very embarrassing because nothing else explains why you would keep those two over hiring a solid candidate to give us the best chance to be successful once again!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
I hope Irvine realises that given his strong Glaswegian accent that when the team aren't performing on the pitch any half time team talk will end in anarchy, with senior pro's pretending they cant understand him and laughing at him, probably with the encouragement of half of his assistants.

I sincerely wish you the best Alan, unfortunately good guys dont get a look in at west brom no matter how good or bad of a coach you are
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:08:22 PM
(Barkley, Stone, etc)

John Stones was brought to Everton in 2013 from Barnsley so he can hardly be credited with his development..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on June 17, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
In common with the majority, I was a bit underwhelmed and bemused by the appointment of AI, but he's now our Head Coach and we now have the Coaching and Director of Football Team all in place, and now back at work after the post season break.

Like the majority I would say welcome to the Albion and the very best of luck.

The one comment I would make is we have 4 Coaches who I feel will work well as a unit and all of whom, for numerous reasons, will be very anxious for Albion to have a successful season.

The general consensus appears to be that Albion will sink like a stone, clearly that may happen but my own gut feeling is that things could actually work out surprisingly well (relatively speaking), particularly at it is combined with a Director of Football who will have joined the club with his eyes wide open (as a previous employee and long term friend of Roy Hodgson) and will have had a key role in the two new recruits.

No managerial changes are without risk, and on face value this appears to be a greater than usual risk, but to write off the forthcoming season on the back of an unpopular managerial appointment is jumping the gun in my view.

As I say, the key men are back at work and clearly astute judgement in the transfer market and a pro-active stance on recruitment is paramount and the activity over the next couple of months is critical, as is a, hopefully, positive reaction from our key squad members.

The other point, covered of in another thread, is the huge expertise of our new recruits, in the Academy and development of younger players, which in the medium to long term is likely to be a key issue for clubs like Albion (I know we've taken a "hit" with a couple of departures, but there have been positives as well, with a number of young players breaking into the first team squad).

But the blokes been at work for 1 day, and while admittedly the odds appear stacked against him, I wouldn't write off his chances of success just yet.

A harmonious managerial team (or Coaching team in our case) backed by a supportive Director of Football could actually work out for us here.

As always, time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leggy on June 17, 2014, 10:21:43 PM
Not read any posts really don't give a pooh. Alan Irvine, FFS what Sunday league has he come from.
If anyone thought JP would actually install a manager who would keep us in the Prem, must be living on another planet. He does NOT want WBA in the Prem.
Sorry got to stop just Baahhhhhhhhhhhhhh whats the use 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
You never know how it will pan out.
The majority of "Alternatives" had fail/sacked on CV recently. But sometimes you will get a mix that works.
Here's hoping!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
Brummie Road I like your optimism

I hope that you are right re bringing young players through as that is irvine/kelly's strength on paper.  However, the recent track record of West Brom managerial reins makes me question whether they will be around long enough for us to reap the rewards

Secondly why do you think the four coaches will work well as a unit?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lickey baggies on June 17, 2014, 10:24:38 PM
I'm still in shock !!!

How did the interview process go ? Sherwood had 2 interviews (same as mel) to then be told that he couldn't bring anyone with him. Some of you can try and put a positive spin on Alan irvines  appointment but IMO  got to be the worst decision that anyone has ever made at Albion . Still haven't got the words to explain how I feel . I renewed after jp interview thinking things would buck up. How wrong was I !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 17, 2014, 10:30:05 PM
I can only hope that a siege mentality kicks in and the whole playing an coaching staff unite to get results, am I confident that's how it will pan out, not at all!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: eaststand on June 17, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
I haven’t posted on this forum before but have been a regular reader for a couple of years and been an Albion supporter for over 40 years.

Like the majority of Albion supporters the appointment of Alan Irvine came as a surprise, shock and disappointment.

However, like it or not, he’s the man chosen to be our new Head Coach. He obviously impressed those tasked with appointing the new man from a long list of applicants and as such deserves to be given the chance to prove himself and have the full backing and support of all Albion fans, just as Pepe Mel did. Few knew much of Pepe Mel before his appointment yet there was no such outcry then. Granted Mel inherited his squad of players but hardly set the world alight whilst our Head Coach, yet for some reason he was instantly well received and liked by the fans.

Irvine deserves the same welcome. All the negativity surrounding him needs to stop. By all means criticize those who appointed him, but what’s going to happen at the first home match of the season when he’s introduced to the fans, what are we all going to do boo him and the new signings. Hardly the encouragement the team needs. It would have been tough enough next season whoever was chosen as Head Coach, but all this negativity isn’t going to help.

Short term nothing is going to change with the Irvine appointment. Fair enough if we’re struggling at the bottom end of the table after a couple of months by all means criticize and call for change, just as I will, but until then give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Some comments from Sheff Wed fans on the OwlsOnline forum (link further down):

"What a boring uninspiring manager he was"
"Let's hope he sells Brunty back to us! He's far too attack minded for Irvine!"
"The keeper is too attack minded for Irvine. I am going to have a fiver on Paul Merson falling asleep on Soccer Saturday during one of their games"
"By far the worst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. I still have unwanted flashbacks of his 6-2-2 tactic at home to Bournemouth. We still got outplayed and we're very fortunate to get a point"
"Worst manager we've had in the 24 years I've been going, horrific appointment by WBA"
"Dreadful manager, unbelievable appt by WBA...mental even"
"The cones at the training ground will be sh*****g themselves"
"Will never forgive him for getting us relegated and keeping us in L1, awful, awful "manager" or head coach or whatever title they've given him, worst manager in my time watching Wednesday, by a f*****g country mile!"
"Irvine is, statistically, one of our best managers in the last 2 decades. Just shows how skewed statistics can be"
"One of our biggest gripes with Irvine was the meticulous attention to detail he paid to our opponents, DVD's etc. now that didn't work for us as we were planning to (HMS) urine The League, but for a team like WBA who will be competing in the lower half of the Prem, maybe such an approach to matches would be advantageous? Nah, I'm not sold either, sacked by November IMO"
"Irvine was a complete w****r! He made Gary Megson look like Pep Guardiola"
"To be fair, managing one of the worst teams in the Premier League against the likes of City and Chelsea, his tendency to worry obsessively about the opposition may be a little more justified than it was when he was our manager"

Link: OwlsOnline (http://www.owlsonline.com/?page=forum&thread_id=31482&selpage=0&&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:52:10 PM
Horrific appointment, cant disagree with that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 17, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
I will give him a chance and you have made some valid points. I cant help but feel angry and disappointing with people who blame Irvine for taking this opportunity. He simply cant be blamed for it as im sure any sane human being who wants to prove themselves and test themselves at the highest level would of took this opportunity. Alot of people are doing the right thing by blaming Peace the board and Burton as they are the people who need to be blamed for this lackluster appointment as that is who the buck stops with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:58:11 PM
if we win the first 3 games in style he might win me over
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
We've got what we've got.
I'm still livid over the appointment and that's not down to AI. To an extent he's as much a victim of this shambles as the rest of us.
Anybody who believes we weren't sleep walked into this latest debacle is living in cloud cuckoo land.
We were set up with baldy's Churchillian speech that he delivered telling us he realised what had gone wrong, he took responsibility and said he would put things right.
The man hadn't even got the guts to release the name of the new coach in a dignified manner, instead issuing a press release at 6.00pm on a Saturday evening a few hours before the biggest game this country has seen for years hoping that it would fall off the radar.
The news was released two weeks after the deadline for retaining season ticket seats. It was released to the press that Sherwood was an imminent appointment. I think Sherwood was also a pawn in this sting, baldy never had any intention of appointing him.
As yet he hasn't even got the guts to attend tomorrows press conference with his new coach instead leaving all the guff to be spouted by another of his yes men
As usual we've gone cheap.
I can't wait to see some of new recruits.
It will be released to the press were looking at all these top names from over Europe and we'll end up with the likes of St Ledger, Nugent and similar stiffs.
The worst part of all this is we can protest all we want but baldy is so distant from the fans it won't make a blind bit of difference.

Sorry if I come across as bitter and twisted but that's exactly what I am



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
Just to show that I'm only 99% one-eyed over this, these are from Everton fans:

"Hope he does well, but i fear he won't. He is a great coach but has struggled to impress as a manager and that is a different kettle of fish"
"Don't think WBA have done there homework. Saying he took over the academy in 2011 and then praising him for bringing through Rodwell"
"Nothing against the guy and wish him luck but he isn't a PL manager is he? I'd be surprised if he's still there by Christmas/January"
"Very sorry to see Alan leave us. And a shade mystified as to how WBA came to the conclusion that he was the man for the job. Much though I like him, his CV is hardly groaning with relevant experience and indicators of success. Still I do wish him all the very best"
"Strange out-of-the-blue appointment. He's got a good record as a coach and has done a sterling job with the academy but his previous managerial experiences didn't bode well. Still, wish him well"
"Sad to see him go, but happy for him getting such a big gig"
"Best of luck to him ,deserves another go I reckon.good footballing man"
"hope he does well. Nice to see WBA giving a man who's football knowledge comes before a fancy foreign name"
"he can go in there, clean slate for a lot of em, bring some players in and who knows. The players will enjoy playing for him because he likes to play the game on the carpet but can he also make them hard to beat and dig in when they need to?!"
"Moyes started to lose it when Alan Irvine left for a managers role. No danger of that this time obviously, but the fella is a good egg"
"Really nice bloke actually, done a good job with the academy"
"I'm sure that Irvine is a fantastic coach but I don't think he's a manager. You can't blame him for accepting the job of managing a Premier League side but West Brom are crackers. If they wanted him to come in and develop players they should have given him a technical role. Results are everything in the PL though and I think he'll be well out of his depth"
"Irvine has a decent reputation as a coach, and a mediocre/poor reputation as anything above that
"
"His role as Academy manager didn't see him have much contact with Moyes, as he was office based, not on the training field (which is why he left us to go WBA, he wanted to go back to coaching) and everyone knows Moyes was only bothered about the first team and nothing else"

Links:
NSNO (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=44947.0)
ToffeeWeb (http://toffeeweb.com/season/13-14/news/27700.html)
Grand Old Team (http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/alan-irvine-to-wba-report-from-the-times.67978/)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2014, 11:15:14 PM
Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role.
And the comments (via Burton) that the staff at Everton would be gutted about losing him!! Really! Fact is I can't recall anybody from Everton even talking about him being a candidate for Moyes job.  How do you think Everton fans might respond if the next time the Manager's job at Everton was vacant, their board approached Downing? So are Everton supposed to be on another level to WBA?? I can't recall Albion being beaten by Everton last season and can recall us beating them the season before.

I'm afraid Burton may not come out of this well. JP is obviously the man doing the sums, but Burton is the football brains advising JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 17, 2014, 11:27:15 PM
Criticism of his credentials and abilities doesn't necessarily mean he won't be given a chance by the majority of fans. I would be disappointed to hear if he got AI out songs at any of our initial games.

However pointing out his weakness on this forum is the only way to highlight one the most strangest appointments in our recent history. All the luck in the world to AI. I wished PM all the luck in the world aswell and look where that got him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 18, 2014, 01:40:59 AM
if we win the first 3 games in style he might win me over

That'll be a bloody miracle. Do we even have enough players to put a team out?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiedave on June 18, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
Hi, my biggest concern about Irvine is this, how is he going to attract the 9 players of experience and quality, that we desperately need right now, for starters we need at least 25 first team squad players for the premiership. We have only 16 on the books. Secondly the Villa are showing the ambition necessary, by signing 4 players already to our 1, and Randy as said the Villa are up for sale, so what does that tell you. At the moment, i can only predict finishing 20th next term.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 18, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
 Has the press conference been  cancelled yet? It bloody well should have been >:( >:( . 4 days on and still unable to comprehend how he got anywhere near the job. Reading the Evertonian comments only adds fuel to the fire. Despite seeming to be liked there are no ringing endorsements or confidence in his ability to do the job.
  It also looks as though his ability to bring players through has been exaggerated in some quarters withe the names of Rodwell and Stones being quoted neither of whom would be down to AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 08:34:55 AM
In common with the majority, I was a bit underwhelmed and bemused by the appointment of AI, but he's now our Head Coach and we now have the Coaching and Director of Football Team all in place, and now back at work after the post season break.

Like the majority I would say welcome to the Albion and the very best of luck.

The one comment I would make is we have 4 Coaches who I feel will work well as a unit and all of whom, for numerous reasons, will be very anxious for Albion to have a successful season.

The general consensus appears to be that Albion will sink like a stone, clearly that may happen but my own gut feeling is that things could actually work out surprisingly well (relatively speaking), particularly at it is combined with a Director of Football who will have joined the club with his eyes wide open (as a previous employee and long term friend of Roy Hodgson) and will have had a key role in the two new recruits.

No managerial changes are without risk, and on face value this appears to be a greater than usual risk, but to write off the forthcoming season on the back of an unpopular managerial appointment is jumping the gun in my view.

As I say, the key men are back at work and clearly astute judgement in the transfer market and a pro-active stance on recruitment is paramount and the activity over the next couple of months is critical, as is a, hopefully, positive reaction from our key squad members.

The other point, covered of in another thread, is the huge expertise of our new recruits, in the Academy and development of younger players, which in the medium to long term is likely to be a key issue for clubs like Albion (I know we've taken a "hit" with a couple of departures, but there have been positives as well, with a number of young players breaking into the first team squad).

But the blokes been at work for 1 day, and while admittedly the odds appear stacked against him, I wouldn't write off his chances of success just yet.

A harmonious managerial team (or Coaching team in our case) backed by a supportive Director of Football could actually work out for us here.

As always, time will tell.

Put infinitely better than I was able to, well done mate.

I was saying to one of the Mods the other day about how I would not be surprised if we treat the coaching set up much like we did the team - not big names with big reputations but 'coaching gems' scattered accross clubs with various expertise. We would then have a TEAM of coaches with a Head Coach (or even the Director of Football) as a figurehead but essentially we have a unit of coaches who know what they're doing. This would then allow us to change elements of the team without ceremonious sackings of a single scapegoat. Everyone has a responsibility and sticks to their expertise so that we don't get more cases of player dissent.

I'm not saying that's what this is but could quite easily see it manifesting with the emphasis the club puts into individuals coaching abilities.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 18, 2014, 08:39:30 AM
Terry Burton really is trying to justify Irvines appointment , but he is just making it seem more stupid every time he opens his mouth.
He says Irvine is an excellent coach. Ok terry but his head coach experience is poor.
He says Everton are really disappointed to lose him. Really , I dont think their bothered either way.
Theirs nobody works harder than Alan , Burton says , great but does that mean he is a tactical genius or he has great man management skills. Sheff Wednesday fans will tell us they didn't see it.

I dont see on what grounds Alan Irvine has got this job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 18, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
First interview with Alan Irvine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 18, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
What would the feeling be if after Clarke's sacking Downing and Keily had stayed in charge and kept us up, there'd have been none of the Mel circus, and then quietly brought in Irvine at the end of the season.  Lots of moans and groans, Clarke clone comments, Peace is a tightwad, we're going down etc, certainly, but I don't think there would have been this level of bile and anger, would there?  I'm not justifying it, just trying to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
What would the feeling be if after Clarke's sacking Downing and Keily had stayed in charge and kept us up, there'd have been none of the Mel circus, and then quietly brought in Irvine at the end of the season.  Lots of moans and groans, Clarke clone comments, Peace is a tightwad, we're going down etc, certainly, but I don't think there would have been this level of bile and anger, would there?  I'm not justifying it, just trying to make sense of it.

You make a good point there. I think the statement lauding Pepe Mel when we appointed him was a joke. All this business about playing the Albion way etc etc was embarrassing. It is also half the reason people didn't want to see Mel sacked because they believed they were going to get exciting football.

Let's face it Irvine is never going to manage to be as loved as Mel was for these reasons along with others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

Laughing! Imagine sharing good news with the supporters just when everyone was getting ready to storm the gates and burn the East Stand down in a Hammer Horror film stylee.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 18, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
Football is about players . People moan when we don't sign em, and when we do they moan . If lescott comes I will be delighted . If he has 2 good years left in him great .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

It was the press who've leaked it and as there appears to be some sort of interaction with the player on their part, suggests they've been digging too.

'Insulting' or not, Lescott would be a good acquisition, and to suggest that the club and the press don't give good news when it arrives and waits until you've all had chance to burn down the Hawthorns is silly - what should they do, sign him, not tell anyone and surprise us in August?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

Christ! I've only just realised you were being serious. Sorry I wouldn't have posted such a tongue in cheek response.

By all means go ahead and be offended by a sign of progress. It's entirely your prerogative.

Me, I'm chuffed and will be even more so if it actually comes off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
It is also half the reason people didn't want to see Mel sacked because they believed they were going to get exciting football.
And he would have delivered it, had he been kept on and the club backed him with suitable players during the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:09:39 AM
And he would have delivered it, had he been kept on and the club backed him with suitable players during the summer.

He may well have delivered it, in the shape of Rodgers at Swansea or Mowbray with us though? Nobody knows and that is what gets at some people I suppose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
All this stuff about Lescott signing, let's hope it's not another false dawn etc like the Sherwood fiasco, and we end up with some guy from the Wycombe youth academy.

My only concern about lescott is he is very injury prone, and will he be able to stay injury free, or are potentially signing another Sick note from Man City like we did with Sinclair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
People missing my point slightly - I think Lescott would be an excellent addition.

My gripe is that WBA have leaked this (along with journo digging) on the morning of the press conference, in ab it to divert some of the attention away.

I'll repeat again - Lescott good signing. Timing of leak, to me, smacks of diversion tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
or are the press leaking it so they have more ammo for the presser?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
People missing my point slightly - I think Lescott would be an excellent addition.

My gripe is that WBA have leaked this (along with journo digging) on the morning of the press conference, in ab it to divert some of the attention away.

I'll repeat again - Lescott good signing. Timing of leak, to me, smacks of diversion tactics.

That is quite a theory.

It's not abnormal for us to hear about a transfer the day before it is apparently set to be completed, in fact that is pretty normal for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 18, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
That is quite a theory.

It's not abnormal for us to hear about a transfer the day before it is apparently set to be completed, in fact that is pretty normal for us.

Whatever happened to due diligence eh? pfff  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
Must admit after a few minutes Burton comes accross a lot worse than Irvine speaking to the media.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 18, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
Good press conference, think Irvine will do a good job here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
15 minute presser.

"Quick, on and off before we get any difficult questions in front of the cameras."

Paper Q&As much easier to manipulate. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
15 minute presser.

"Quick, on and off before we get any difficult questions in front of the cameras."

Paper Q&As much easier to manipulate.

In all fairness the papers have to sell stories that aren't already in the public domain hence a private press section. They had chance to ask questions on air and in front of cameras and didn't take it really. Rest assured pressing questions will be asked but in the broadcast section I'd say he sounded confident and assured, unlike Burton.

What would have embarrassed them? Being asked why they picked him? It's pretty much what TB was asked and he said 'coaching ability'. I doubt they'll be embarrassed really. The press even tried to draw Irvine into commenting on not appearing to be first choice live and he handled it well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba_jd26 on June 18, 2014, 01:13:19 PM
I had an open mind to Irvine and am willing to wait and see what he achieves. But I must say he has come across very well so far. My main thought us that a 'head coach' role will suit him better than being a manager. With the staff behind the scenes working to recruit players he can focus on coaching, and I dont think anyone can argue on pedigree and from how people talk of him, that he is a very good coach.

I am starting to think that this could work. We have an important month ahead, lets see who we bring in. So far Gardner is an improvement on reid, and if lescott comes off, lescott is an improvement on Lugano. I would rather we improve the squad as a whole than spend big and pin our hopes on one player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 01:19:05 PM
Good press conference, think Irvine will do a good job here.
Where can you see the press conference please?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
It's good to see us been able to begin to gain some understanding on why he was appointed (coaching and football related issues rather that financial motives).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 18, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
It's good to see us been able to begin to gain some understanding on why he was appointed (coaching and football related issues rather that financial motives).
Well its obvious they wouldnt go on national TV and say, Yes we got Alan because he was the cheapest option  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 01:32:51 PM
Well its obvious they wouldnt go on national TV and say, Yes we got Alan because he was the cheapest option  ??? ??? ???

You including many others have been asking what qualifies him to get this job and they have given a few answers. How else do you expect to gain an understanding if it is not coming out of the club officially?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 18, 2014, 01:53:40 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blandy on June 18, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
Just a small point but each of the last few 'managers' have been appointed as Head Coach, and each one has been  an 'outstanding' or 'highly respected' coach according to the club.

Is Irvine a better coach than Clarke? Than Hodgson? Than Mel? Who knows. I would have thought now his success or failure will be determined more by what he has to work with than anything else. This summer's (or what's left of it) recruitment will be paramount.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 01:57:15 PM
How else do you expect to gain an understanding if it is not coming out of the club officially?
I don't expect to gain an understanding, because they won't give genuine answers. They hardly ever do in such circumstances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: peacebewithu on June 18, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
I think people are getting misled by this 'Head Coach' thing, it's just a term. The 'Head Coach' ,unfortuantly in our case AI will still be responsible for team selection,tactics,substitutions etc, like any other football manager. Obviously Burton and Irvine in the Press Conference where stressing coaching  as one the main reasons that got him the job because his record as a manager was failure at both clubs he was at. I agree Irvine sounds like a nice guy,but he is out of his depth and seems oblivious of what he's letting himself in for, Burton on the other hand  could hardly string a sentence together. Then again he probably thought it would be the Chairman handling the presentation of a New Manager/Head Coach , because that's what proper Football Clubs do.  He'll soon learn.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 01:59:38 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!

What's he done to upset you Kirk other than accept a job that he's been offered?

It really does come across as cheap, this Alan Irvine stuff, more suited to the Custard wearing ones or the seals from Witton.

And as for telling him to F off when all he has done in the job so far is attend a press conference, that seems very harsh.

He is in post now, why not try supporting him and then if he fails you can slate for all you're worth but right now given that he has been here for only a day or so it seems so unjustified.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 18, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
I have accepted Irvine because i have too.I am also going to re locate my seat by Jeremy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
I don't expect to gain an understanding, because they won't give genuine answers. They hardly ever do in such circumstances.

Seems to me the only answer acceptable to you would be the one you already believe so as to justify your anger and outrage.

Really it's pointless you listening to what they say as you are of a mind to reject it whatever the case.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 18, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!

Totally uncalled for. The guy applied for the job and was given it, he has done nothing to deserve that kind of comment. Aim your disappointment at those that gave him the job if you feel the need.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 18, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
He comes across well to be fair and he could actually lure Lescott in, but still can't hide away from his  failures at Sheff Wed and Preston. Maybe with a better structure and better players it might work. I will give him a chance and hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Totally uncalled for. The guy applied for the job and was given it, he has done nothing to deserve that kind of comment. Aim your disappointment at those that gave him the job if you feel the need.

Agree 100%. That kind of classless nonsense has to stop.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 18, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
Leeds just appointed a guy who was sacked by Forest Green, how on earth did we miss him????  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 18, 2014, 03:28:46 PM
To be fair the snippets I've seen of AI in the press conference he said the right things, I don't think he will take any sh*t from the players and he MAY have taken some part in the POSSIBLE signing of a quality centre half.

Deep breathe, he might be ok. Give him a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 18, 2014, 03:29:56 PM
Leeds just appointed a guy who was sacked by Forest Green, how on earth did we miss him????  ;)

Too expensive
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 03:45:26 PM
I think people are getting misled by this 'Head Coach' thing, it's just a term. The 'Head Coach' ,unfortuantly in our case AI will still be responsible for team selection,tactics,substitutions etc, like any other football manager. Obviously Burton and Irvine in the Press Conference where stressing coaching  as one the main reasons that got him the job because his record as a manager was failure at both clubs he was at.
"There wouldn’t be a player who comes in who I don’t want here. I will rubber-stamp all transfers. The role means I will pick the team and I will be trying to identify players, with the help of Terry and the board. It will be like a manager’s job but without the extras like player’s contracts and things like that. There will be a lot more focus on what happens on the training pitch" Alan Irvine - 18/06/2014

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvines-7288169)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 18, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
There are some fans on here who show they would be better off 7 miles down the road with the morons there . When I hear the rubbish from there mouths it makes me hope our new gaffer makes a job of it . Get off his back and give him a chance I say . What happened to the Albion sense of fair play .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 18, 2014, 03:47:43 PM
Too expensive
I talk to a Leeds fan on the train to work, he took the urine proper on monday / tuesday, what a pleasant journey it was this morning!! 40 minutes flew by!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maximus on June 18, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
After much thinking and consideration along with hearing him talk, I think all he done was apply for the job, He seems a decent coach who favours the training ground aspect of management, And let's be honest that was the issue the players had with Mel was the communication with idea's, We have a core set of players who are grown adults who need tactical awareness, Like Brunt stop drifting in, Morrison actually doing something productive, Mulumbu giving silly free-kicks etc.

It's the training ground where they spend all day everyday at, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as we have a good set of players who just need to nail down a position and iron out some chinks, My only issue will be when things are going wrong and he'll take the flack for it rather than the players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
"There wouldn’t be a player who comes in who I don’t want here. I will rubber-stamp all transfers. The role means I will pick the team and I will be trying to identify players, with the help of Terry and the board. It will be like a manager’s job but without the extras like player’s contracts and things like that. There will be a lot more focus on what happens on the training pitch" Alan Irvine - 18/06/2014

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvines-7288169)

What a disgrace, I want him to focus on trivial matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
What a disgrace, I want him to focus on trivial matters.
A number of people have been trying to emphasise that he'll be coaching rather than managing and, therefore, what happened at Preston and Sheff Wed is irrelevant. I haven't seen any Preston and Sheff Wed fans complaining about his contract negotation skills, so his match-related performance at those clubs certainly is relevant, as he has now indicated himself. You can spare me the sarcasm too - I haven't directed any towards you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
A number of people have been trying to emphasise that he'll be coaching rather than managing and, therefore, what happened at Preston and Sheff Wed is irrelevant. I haven't seen any Preston and Sheff Wed fans complaining about his contract negotation skills, so his match-related performance at those clubs certainly is relevant, as he has now indicated himself. You can spare me the sarcasm too - I haven't directed any towards you.

It's not directed at you either it's a tongue in cheek response to more positive news, nothing aimed at you apologies. Those fans did say his signings were poor however which is valid here.

James Nursey the mirror correspondent posted this:

@JamesNursey: Was at #WBA today. After speaking to Irvine & Burton , the 'shock' decision certainly made more sense. Bound to be better than Mel!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
It's not directed at you either it's a tongue in cheek response to more positive news, nothing aimed at you apologies
No worries.

@JamesNursey: Was at #WBA today. After speaking to Irvine & Burton , the 'shock' decision certainly made more sense. Bound to be better than Mel!
I'm sure we can still agree on our disdain for James Nursey's ridiculously simplistic put-down of Pepe Mel at least!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
we all know he was deemed to have failed at both Preston and Sheff Wed and at Sheff Wed there doesn't seem to be much of an argument but the Preston failure does slightly baffle me, hear me out before i get shot down i am just trying to even it out for a bloke who's only mistake for people to dislike him is the fact he got offered a job and accepted it,

he kept Preston up and then the following year took them to the play offs whic they lost, he then thought as 99.9% of us did that he was getting our job (RDM GOT IT) which may have affected how he looked at things and with also the play off loss effect he had a bad start and ultimately paid the price with the sack,

Sheff Wed were in a mess and probably wondering why he took the job but started well they then hit a bad patch where they drew a lot then ultimately went 7 games (i believe) without a win leading to him being sacked, at the time according to the article this report was in they were 7 points of the play offs but only 5 points of relegation but really had to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes

so although he was no ones choice i think having calmed down the bloke deserves a chance at least as some of the things said about him are not the fan base i'm used too were better than that are we not

the article was in the Star (sheffield one i think local paper)   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
No worries.
I'm sure we can still agree on our disdain for James Nursey's ridiculously simplistic put-down of Pepe Mel at least!  :D

Too right, but we've come to expect it from that rag.

In other news, and for Spencer who was fuming over the 15 minute conference and Peace's absence, he was there and answered questions about the hiring of Irvine.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/uncategorized/jeremy-peace-exclusive/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
Sheff Wed were in a mess and probably wondering why he took the job but started well they then hit a bad patch where they drew a lot then ultimately went 7 games (i believe) without a win leading to him being sacked, at the time according to the article this report was in they were 7 points of the play offs but only 5 points of relegation but really had to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes
You're missing that they got relegated from the Championship with him in charge and he was then sacked with them 12th or 13th in League 1 the following season (in January 2011).

I suspect he'll have to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes at Albion as well!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
as i say should have checked properly but the article stated he was sacked before but i could have misunderstood and may have meant sacked before exciting league 1 i'll try and find it out  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Paulsammax on June 18, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
Like many I was surprised by the appointment as I thought the sherwood appointment was going through. However, I would rather not have someone who is simply accepting a job here until something better comes along. I'm frankly appalled by some of the comments on here aimed at Alan Irvine. I've supported this wonderful club for 40 years and one thing that we are normally good at is welcoming new people and giving them a chance. Remember, we were the club  that embraced black footballers when other clubs so called fans were openly chanting racist abuse.  We have always been a class above that but this week I think some on here have not acted in the spirit of true Albion fans. In view of this I think those of us who want to welcome our new Head Coach should post their greetings and give the guy a chance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on June 18, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
He comes across well to be fair and he could actually lure Lescott in, but still can't hide away from his  failures at Sheff Wed and Preston. Maybe with a better structure and better players it might work. I will give him a chance and hope he proves me wrong.
This quote from The Birmingham Mail wrote by Ally Robertson regarding AI appointment.

”And if you look closely at what happened at his previous clubs then the Preston fans were certainly unhappy about his sacking after he had taken them into the play-offs. And at Sheffield Wednesday the club were cutting costs and on a downward spiral before he arrived. He was given precious little time to turn it around.

“He needed a magic wand there.”

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 04:51:06 PM
Totally with your sentiments.

Welcome Alan, and good luck. It's a great club, I hope you're here for a long time because if you are it will mean we're doing well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:52:15 PM
In other news, and for Spencer who was fuming over the 15 minute conference and Peace's absence, he was there and answered questions about the hiring of Irvine.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/uncategorized/jeremy-peace-exclusive/
You can't help but think he should have been in the press conference if he was there. I didn't expect much from a Tom Ross interview and he didn't disappoint! One obvious question that wasn't asked was "what are you going to do to engage better with the fans?".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 04:52:59 PM
This quote from The Birmingham Mail wrote by Ally Robertson regarding AI appointment.

”And if you look closely at what happened at his previous clubs then the Preston fans were certainly unhappy about his sacking after he had taken them into the play-offs. And at Sheffield Wednesday the club were cutting costs and on a downward spiral before he arrived. He was given precious little time to turn it around.

“He needed a magic wand there.”

Yes. Someone called Ali Rob's remarks patronising.i asked them to explain as I don't  see them that way but I don't think they ever responded (can't remember who it was).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 18, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
Some of our fans need to grow up and accept he's our manager. Yes, it seems like an awful decision but at least give him a few games to prove himself before you moan at him...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
You can't help but think he should have been in the press conference if he was there. I didn't expect much from a Tom Ross interview and he didn't disappoint! One obvious question that wasn't asked was "what are you going to do to engage better with the fans?".

CL has said he interviewed Peace too so we may get something more there. Tom might as well have asked what he's having for tea. But that said I don't see the arrogance, ignorance and cluelessness that he's apparently guilty of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
Yes. Someone called Ali Rob's remarks patronising.i asked them to explain as I don't  see them that way but I don't think they ever responded (can't remember who it was).
It was me and I did respond.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 18, 2014, 05:09:41 PM
I don't want to stir things, but my Dad's friend used to be involved with Everton behind the scenes and is still a regular face around the place and i believe he's a ST holder still, and he told my Dad that even in the Everton Youth Squads he was regarded as a 3rd rate coach and he wasn't thought of highly by the board at all. He also thinks that is an absolutely disasterous appointment and we're very likely to be relegated.

Why would they keep him on?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Why would they keep him on?

And re-hire him after he left them the first time?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 18, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Let's just hope we can get the Lescott signing in. Getting a player like that on board early in his career here will go some way to getting fans on board.

Impressed with his interviews too, said all the right things, very likeable guy too which will help him win the fans over.

I said it a few days ago but I think he'll do well here, and definitely a better option than Sherwood who I'm certain would have been a proper disaster.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
CL has said he interviewed Peace too so we may get something more there. Tom might as well have asked what he's having for tea. But that said I don't see the arrogance, ignorance and cluelessness that he's apparently guilty of.
A bit harsh on Tom Ross that I don't think he's that clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 06:13:06 PM
It was me and I did respond.

Sorry, didn't see it. Do you mind telling me again?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 06:20:44 PM
Starting to calm down a little after hearing Irvine speak. My anger was never with him. If Lescott signs I will better again. I just don't wont this fragile cooling of my ire to change again with say Lescott ending up somewhere else or poor or no signings soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 06:25:08 PM
Sorry, didn't see it. Do you mind telling me again?
I can't honestly remember what I said. Go into my profile, display my posts and you should find it there without too much trouble.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 18, 2014, 06:53:31 PM
If the lescott deal breaks down all hell will break loose i think. This has been leaked because they must know its pretty close (i hope)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on June 18, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
Aah ... How refreshing to read a few positive posts on here at last!

The guys in place now, let's get behind him & give him (& the club) the best chance possible.
If we can get Lescott, it'll be huge for the guy & a real statement of intent!
All the best Alan, after the initial shock I'm warming to ya!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 18, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
A few considered  thoughts on the Irvine appointment

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/have-little-faith.html

In short there is no point in getting on guys case before he has even has the chance to pick a team and if he fails it will only be to the detriment of the club, as fan I can only wish him well and hope he suceeds
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 08:36:04 PM
Irvine has said we will need new faces if we are to play the kind of football he likes to play, gulp :o

Anyway besides that Mr Irvine, we need some new faces if we are even to field a side and the subs, bit of a silly statement to start you career off with old boy  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 08:44:15 PM
Irvine has said we will need new faces if we are to play the kind of football he likes to play, gulp :o

Anyway besides that Mr Irvine, we need some new faces if we are even to field a side and the subs, bit of a silly statement to start you career off with old boy  >:(

Isn't that what Pepe said?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 18, 2014, 08:47:24 PM
We'll need new faces in to play any kind of football given the threadbare squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
In fairness I think he came across well in the interview, and can handle himself better than burton and peace, not sure about his coaching skills though, but we will soon find out.

But why oh why oh why do the press keep saying we are protesting against his appointment, it is NOT not not  that, not solely anyway! it is against how peace is running the club and snubbing the fans at the moment. FFS  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 18, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
In fairness I think he came across well in the interview, and can handle himself better than burton and peace, not sure about his coaching skills though, but we will soon find out.

But why oh why oh why do the press keep saying we are protesting against his appointment, it is NOT not not  that, not solely anyway! it is against how peace is running the club and snubbing the fans at the moment. FFS  >:(

This annoys me, too. I've nothing against Irvine as such - I'm FULLY expecting the worst, but who KNOWS yet?

It's entirely the seemingly ramshackle way we do business and the lack of communication with the fans. No matter how lofty a Chairman might think himself I DO believe it should be their duty to look after their customers. Which is precisely what we are.

Sky or not, no customers, no club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 18, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
Good read, intresting that Irvine didnt even apply for the job.. we approached him.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-biggest-mistake-not-7291011

New Albion boss discusses his managerial record, reaction to his appointment and how he turned down the Baggies job in 2009

Alan Irvine is unveiled as the new West Browich Head Coach at the Hawthorns
It was earlier this year that Alan Irvine confessed all to an audience.

And the Mea Culpa moment came in one of the East Stand banqueting suites at The Hawthorns.

Addressing a League Managers’ Association seminar, the 55-year-old was speaking to a collection of football managers, coaches and other luminaries.

And then came the question: “What’s your biggest regret in football?”

Without hesitation came the reply: “Not taking this job five years ago.”

That Irvine’s next visit to B71 should be for his unveiling is an irony not lost on the newly installed Baggies head coach.

Irvine has finally revealed - with no denial from Albion on this occasion - that he did, in fact, turn the club down in 2009, effectively handing the keys to Roberto Di Matteo.

This time he didn’t apply for the job.

Albion, remembering the conversations they had with him following Tony Mowbray’s departure five summers ago, decided to head-hunt the Glaswegian.

Irvine said: “I didn’t apply for this job... they came for me.

“I don’t know whether it (being so close to getting the job five years ago) had an influence but it was very close for me back then.

“Ironically I was actually here a few months ago doing a presentation for the LMA.

“I was asked ‘what’s your biggest mistake or regret in football?’

“I said ‘not taking this job’ - that was back in February this year - and it was in this very same stand that I’m stood in now. I never thought I’d be back here as a boss.

“There were a few different things that came together at that time which didn’t feel right but it remains my biggest mistake.

“But I wasn’t going to make that same mistake again.”

Irvine’s appointment has not gone down well among many fans.

Supporters were expecting a bigger name. Some were seduced by Tim Sherwood’s ‘passion’, others simply wanted other people to be appointed. In truth there was probably no obvious stand-out candidate.

A day after Albion appointed Irvine, Southampton announced their appointment of Ronald Koeman - the Dutch legend, former boss of Ajax and Benfica.

Irvine, a former Everton and Blackburn winger, has a more modest managerial CV. Spells at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday reveal a tale of two sackings.

Perception isn’t always all that it seems.

Irvine has worked as a coach alongside the likes of Kenny Dalglish, Ray Harford and David Moyes.

He appreciates that he isn’t the ‘sexy’ name many supporters wanted to see unveiled by their club.

“I’m not totally surprised,” said Irvine when informed that he wasn’t the popular choice.

“I doubt I was the name on everybody’s list and I understand. I know what fans feel. I’m sure they would have had different names on their mind but the fact is that this has now happened and I will do the best I can to get the best results.

“I am extremely thorough, hard-working and I don’t leave anything to chance.

“Many things can be controlled and prepared on the training ground. If the players know their jobs, their responsibilities, then you can do well.

“Yes, there is an element of luck - you can hit a team in a great run of form and hit a team on a bad run of form. But I believe in hard-work and making sure we’re thorough.”

When asked about his two previous spells as boss, he added: “The biggest thing about Preston was that it (the sacking) came as such a big surprise.

“I came in when the team were bottom of the League. We were in a position where it didn’t look like we could avoid relegation yet we managed to stay up. The next season we were in the play-offs and the following season we were in a similar position to where we’d been the year before and it came out of the blue: that was a shock.

“I got the Wednesday job within a week of leaving Preston. I took over a team that was struggling. We had to win 11 of our last 22 games, which is pretty much winning the league-type of form. We failed on the last day. We were top of the League when Milan (Mandaric) came in but he chose to make a change. At that point I did take a break.”

His spell as a coach to Moyes at Goodison Park often saw him perceived as the ‘good cop’ to Moyes’ bad cop.

Again, perception isn’t all that it seems.

“I am from Glasgow and I’m a bad tempered Scotsman when I want to be,” he said.

“But I was given some great advice when I started coaching: Kenny Dalglish said ‘if you spend you’re whole time shouting at people they stop listening’. I’ve worked for managers and coaches who do that and it’s true, but it doesn’t mean you have to be soft.

“My only message is: keep supporting us - give us a chance.

“I know I’m under pressure and only results on the pitch will do that.

“I also know the Albion fans are incredibly passionate but I’m incredibly passionate too so hopefully together we can have success.”

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AllBlackBaggie on June 19, 2014, 12:01:58 AM
Suck it up fans - I have a feeling this new coach is going to surprise.  If he does, you read it here first!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 19, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
What is this feeling of optimism inside me, i need to shake it off! A Jolean Lescott transfer collapse and an England loss tomorrow should ground me!!

I feel another positive that hasn't been mentioned, could be that IF this does work, we may have found a long-term head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2014, 06:25:35 AM
Well he says all the right things.
Hope it cpmes off for him.......................and us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 19, 2014, 09:39:51 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 19, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Very interesting that he didn't even apply for the job we went in for him. He must have felt that his days as a number 1 were over so this is likely to be his last real chance at it so he will likely feel that he has a point to prove.

Quite frankly he now needs to be backed fully in the transfer market as the squad is threadbare as things stand, someone like Lescott will be a good start but we would need to build on that or it won't have mattered who the head coach was.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 19, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?

Seems to be a few who have been sucked in by the club's bulls*** / PR machine over the last few days.

The overwhelming odds are that Irvine will end up getting sacked, I've not seen or heard anything to convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 19, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?

As underwhelmed and angry as I am at the appointment, I actually feel more confident with AI at the helm than I did with Mel strangely enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 19, 2014, 09:44:18 AM
Very interesting that he didn't even apply for the job we went in for him.

I'd love to know how poor the pool of 40+ applicants was that we felt the need to headhunt Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 19, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
If we win the games we are expected to at the start of the season then he will get some grace.God help us and him if Sunderland beat us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 19, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Ferdinand and Ramsey have just left their coaching roles at Tottenham - interesting considering they could have done that, saved us some compensation payments and them freeing up money for their own moves.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 19, 2014, 10:10:25 AM
Seems to be a few who have been sucked in by the club's bullsh*t / PR machine over the last few days.

The overwhelming odds are that Irvine will end up getting sacked, I've not seen or heard anything to convince me otherwise.

The problem is the club hasn't got a PR machine if it did it would probably not appointed Irvine in the first place because the fan reaction was as predictable as it was depressing. A few fans are prepared to give Irvine a chance and you never know they might be right and they are as likely to be right as the doom mongers. I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis and I would also back him to be in post this time next year.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 19, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
The problem is the club hasn't got a PR machine if it did it would probably not appointed Irvine in the first place because the fan reaction was as predictable as it was depressing. A few fans are prepared to give Irvine a chance and you never know they might be right and they are as likely to be right as the doom mongers. I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis and I would also back him to be in post this time next year.
I don't believe his is the man, as much as I didn't think Clarke or mel were, however he is saying the right things, and if lescott comes off it is a step in the right direction, so we have him and must I suppose bear with it.
However, I cannot forgive peace for the absolute nightmare and gross incompetence he is dealing with the matter fro me fans perspective, and if lescott doesn't come off and we get off to a bad start, then he and Jenkins will fully deserve the whole lot of rubbish that will be vented his way.
It has gone past enough is enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 19, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
I don't believe his is the man, as much as I didn't think Clarke or mel were, however he is saying the right things, and if lescott comes off it is a step in the right direction, so we have him and must I suppose bear with it.
However, I cannot forgive peace for the absolute nightmare and gross incompetence he is dealing with the matter fro me fans perspective, and if lescott doesn't come off and we get off to a bad start, then he and Jenkins will fully deserve the whole lot of rubbish that will be vented his way.
It has gone past enough is enough

Nothing Peace could have said would have avoided a fan backlash after last season, the Mel fiasco and leaving the squad so short, then appointing a little known coach with a dodgy history. The proof is in the pudding, lets hope he can cook.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 19, 2014, 11:11:39 AM
Ferdinand and Ramsey have just left their coaching roles at Tottenham - interesting considering they could have done that, saved us some compensation payments and them freeing up money for their own moves.

Maybe Sherwood wasn't offered the job after all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 19, 2014, 11:21:59 AM
Well the Charm offensive is beginning to work.  I feel more positive today.  I thought Irvine came across well.

I don't believe that AI was the best coach available - or even in the top 50.  There are plenty of better ones out there.  I don't even think he was the best fit for our criteria, but, I think Peace feels most comfortable working with him... I just can't see why.

I find it amazing that we actually head hunted him.  It makes a nonsense of the 5 week due dithering process.

I think that we now have 3 people who are really general coaches (Keily being a specialist).  From my perspective they are all a bit the same.  There's no specialist, say, striker coach amongst them - you know the one that gets an extra 10% out of Berahino by giving him the little bits of know-how that enable him to be more effective.  For me that was the attraction of the Sherwood 'team'.  I didn't really rate Sherwood, but I did think Ferdinand would add something to the attack and Ramsay is  a better and more experienced coach (previously in the England set up) than we have now - they made the coaching 'team' quite attractive.

Time to concentrate on getting some really good players in.  With such a low profile head coach they represent any real reason for optimism.  Lescott is a good start, but the really important one is the one that's going to score us 15 goals!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 19, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis
That won't be a fair comparison, as Mel never got to bring in any players (unless you count Thievy), which also meant he couldn't fully re-vamp the way we played. Ironically, though, we did look at our best when we tried the pressing style that Mel prefers, but the players were unable/unwilling to do it for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 19, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
The best thing that can be said about Alan Irvine is that he is on the same wave length as our players and other coaches. No culture shock, like with Mel, and no particular outstanding talent to challenge the players and other coaches out of their comfort zone. At least he should fit in well and with ease.

However for the club to pretend that Irvine was the best available option is ridiculous and insulting. We have had lies about how Irvine brought through Rodwell and other Everton youth. Add that to Irvine's worse than mediocre CV as head coach and the appointment is simply very telling. It is not surprising, it is not baffling but telling about how our current management team operates. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: freddy73 on June 19, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
Looks like Leeds Utd have followed our lead, appointing the ex Forest Green manager  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 19, 2014, 01:43:57 PM
Looks like Leeds Utd have followed our lead, appointing the ex Forest Green manager  :o

He was probably on our shortlist.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2014, 02:45:44 PM
He was probably on our shortlist.

He was but wouldn't work for the money offered
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 19, 2014, 03:47:32 PM
Terry Burton says we have the best coach in the UK.Bold statement indeed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Costakiblue on June 19, 2014, 04:03:27 PM
Terry Burton says we have the best coach in the UK.Bold statement indeed

To be fair I've seen it parked outside the ground on may occasions...it is quite nice!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 19, 2014, 05:05:19 PM
Terry Burton says we have the best coach in the UK.Bold statement indeed
Not unreasonable to expect us to take quality corners and free-kicks in the coming season then!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 19, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
Not unreasonable to expect us to take quality corners and free-kicks in the coming season then!

It would certainly make a nice change. Almost worth the season ticket money on its own.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 19, 2014, 05:09:28 PM
Link: "Irvine - I've got the know-howe" (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-ive-got-the-know-howe-1650303.aspx)

If he'd paused to think about it, he might have realised that associating himself with Don Howe might not have been the best thing to do! Let's hope he manages to resist talking in glowing terms about Ron Saunders....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 19, 2014, 05:47:01 PM
Not unreasonable to expect us to take quality corners and free-kicks in the coming season then!

I've forgotten what a quality corner and free kick is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: JogOnJP on June 19, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
Terry Burton says we have the best coach in the UK.Bold statement indeed
National Express are probably going to sue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 19, 2014, 06:18:49 PM
Terry Burton says we have the best coach in the UK.Bold statement indeed

I find comments like that laughable to be honest.

How on earth do you measure who the best coach in the UK is?

Utter tripe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 19, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
If he was the best coach in the UK or one of the best then I will ask again why didn't Moyes take him to Man Utd instead of Round?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 19, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
Link: "Irvine - I've got the know-howe" (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-ive-got-the-know-howe-1650303.aspx)

If he'd paused to think about it, he might have realised that associating himself with Don Howe might not have been the best thing to do! Let's hope he manages to resist talking in glowing terms about Ron Saunders....
Don Howe classic example of a great coach but a rubbish manager, I saw his Albion side we didn't score a goal for most games under his command, I think that we lost 12 or 13 on the trot. I hope that you improve on that record Mr Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 19, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
If he was the best coach in the UK or one of the best then I will ask again why didn't Moyes take him to Man Utd instead of Round?

I doubt you'll ever get a true answer mate it's just depessing :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 19, 2014, 07:34:36 PM
I've read all the posters trying to put a positive spin on the appointment. I tried to get myself to think the same way. I failed. I still think it's an awful appointment. I still think it will end in tears, and sooner rather than later. Don't feel any better than I did when it was announced.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 19, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
I've read all the posters trying to put a positive spin on the appointment. I tried to get myself to think the same way. I failed. I still think it's an awful appointment. I still think it will end in tears, and sooner rather than later. Don't feel any better than I did when it was announced.

I agree entirely and Peace saying today that he was the preferred choice makes it worse for me. Who the hell does he think that he is kidding?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 19, 2014, 07:41:48 PM
I agree entirely and Peace saying today that he was the preferred choice makes it worse for me. Who the hell does he think that he is kidding?

People were taking the p before the appointment and said we would end up with a cheap bottom of the barrel choice which would promptly be declared the "number one choice all along". This isn't even funny any more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 19, 2014, 07:55:46 PM
People were taking the p before the appointment and said we would end up with a cheap bottom of the barrel choice which would promptly be declared the "number one choice all along". This isn't even funny any more.

It wasn't intended to be funny but very serious. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 20, 2014, 07:59:42 AM
If he was the best coach in the UK or one of the best then I will ask again why didn't Moyes take him to Man Utd instead of Round?

probably because Moyes had been working with Round and the team he assembled after Irvine left but just a guess like 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 20, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
It's been nearly a week since the appointment and when it was announced it is fair to say that it was not a good time to be an Albion fan.  Everyone (Me included) was furious with the AI appointment, the way that the club tried to hide it in amongst the England hysteria.  We are all annoyed that this JP bull about getting someone in with PL experience and learning from the mistakes of last season and then signing Alan Irvine with none whatsoever. 

Since then I for one have kind of simmered a little.  Sitting back reading everyone elses comments, looking at other forums.  Trying to understand how we can move forward as a football club.  I feel a little more inclined now to sit back and see where this all leads, how we start the season, how the signings get on (This is the usual me, I have to say.......wait to see how things go before making judgement) 

I have seen the signing today of Joleon Lescott which I think is an amazing signing, and looking at the other players that we are being linked with it is beginning to make me feel a lot better about things, a little more optimistic if you like.  I made a comment on Saturday night, along with many others and vented my disappointment and said that I will not give JP any of my money this season, whether that be in the form of match tickets of sales in the club shop (I only go to 4 or 5 games a season now anyway and I always prefer aways but Birthday's and Xmas I always shop at the club shop).  I will stick with this. 

What I am trying to say in a nutshell is that I may have a little hasty as lets face it, we all love the Albion.  I just wish that things were handled a lot better. 

I hope that Alan Irvine is a success here and would like to wish him good luck. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 20, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Link: "Irvine - I've got the know-howe" (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-ive-got-the-know-howe-1650303.aspx)

If he'd paused to think about it, he might have realised that associating himself with Don Howe might not have been the best thing to do! Let's hope he manages to resist talking in glowing terms about Ron Saunders....

Don Howe coached an England team to the World Cup semi finals - in fact within a glance off Paul Parker's shin of getting to the final!
I'll settle for a coach who associates himself with Don Howe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NJS on June 21, 2014, 10:05:47 AM
So do I. I'm not going to a single game next season. This jumped up, arrogant, ignorant moron needs to see how we feel. Hit his bloody pocket.

Hughton suddenly sounds SEXY.

I'm finding out where Pepe Mel goes next season and going to spend the money going over to watch his club.

MAD AS!!!!!!!!

Come on guys! Most of you have been Albion fans for some time; tyou know this is how it is to be a Baggy - taking the rough with the bl**dy rough.  We can only give this Burton-Irvine combination a chance.  I seem to remember we tried for Irvine when he was at PNE well now we have him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 21, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
Don Howe coached an England team to the World Cup semi finals - in fact within a glance off Paul Parker's shin of getting to the final!
I'll settle for a coach who associates himself with Don Howe.

Was that not Bobby Robson in charge in 1990?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 21, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
Was that not Bobby Robson in charge in 1990?

Bobby was Manager, Don was Head Coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 21, 2014, 10:59:52 AM
The same Don Howe who came in and said he was going to make Astle a better player, then sold him, tried to make Tony Brown into a completely different type of player to the one who scored for fun before DH arrived.................Oh, and managed to get us relegated, all in the space of 18 months.

I saw it with my own eyes, so did Tony Brown. Read his autobiography and his opinion is good enough for me !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 21, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
Was that not Bobby Robson in charge in 1990?

Pretty sure he was on the coaching staff when Robson was manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 21, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
The same Don Howe who came in and said he was going to make Astle a better player, then sold him, tried to make Tony Brown into a completely different type of player to the one who scored for fun before DH arrived.................Oh, and managed to get us relegated, all in the space of 18 months.

I saw it with my own eyes, so did Tony Brown. Read his autobiography and his opinion is good enough for me !!
I'm not going to open up and defend Don Howe as Albion Manager  -it's Head Coach we are talking about here.
'The same Don Howe' who was Head Coach of Arsenal when they did the League and F.A.Cup double in 1971.

And BTW I wish the that Albion could sign a right back like him now. If you didn't see him think how good Billy Jones was, double it and for good measure double it again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 21, 2014, 07:50:45 PM
It's been nearly a week since the appointment and when it was announced it is fair to say that it was not a good time to be an Albion fan.  Everyone (Me included) was furious with the AI appointment, the way that the club tried to hide it in amongst the England hysteria.  We are all annoyed that this JP bull about getting someone in with PL experience and learning from the mistakes of last season and then signing Alan Irvine with none whatsoever. 

Since then I for one have kind of simmered a little.  Sitting back reading everyone elses comments, looking at other forums.  Trying to understand how we can move forward as a football club.  I feel a little more inclined now to sit back and see where this all leads, how we start the season, how the signings get on (This is the usual me, I have to say.......wait to see how things go before making judgement) 

I have seen the signing today of Joleon Lescott which I think is an amazing signing, and looking at the other players that we are being linked with it is beginning to make me feel a lot better about things, a little more optimistic if you like.  I made a comment on Saturday night, along with many others and vented my disappointment and said that I will not give JP any of my money this season, whether that be in the form of match tickets of sales in the club shop (I only go to 4 or 5 games a season now anyway and I always prefer aways but Birthday's and Xmas I always shop at the club shop).  I will stick with this. 

What I am trying to say in a nutshell is that I may have a little hasty as lets face it, we all love the Albion.  I just wish that things were handled a lot better. 

I hope that Alan Irvine is a success here and would like to wish him good luck.
I feel similar to you Runcornbaggie. I was absolutely fuming at first I mean really angry. Since listening to Irvine, the signing of Lescott and the players we are linked with, I have cooled somewhat. To get Lescott is amazing when you think of all the clubs who he could of gone to. I can't see how this cannot be seen as a very good sign. I know I know just as you get excited with the Albion that's when you get kicked in the teeth (a bit like being an England supporter). But what I am saying is that I feel differently to a week ago and if the other players we sign are as good as Lescott I will be very glad that I didn't send my season ticket back. That doesn't mean that all is forgiven with the lack of understanding from the board towards us fans. It is a real blind spot of their's. My only current gripe is I wish that Terry Burton would be a little less silly in his statements regarding Irvine even if he thinks they are true. `they sound a little like Joe Kinear when he became Director of football at Newcastle, someone coincidently who I think worked with Burton in the past.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 23, 2014, 10:11:19 PM
If AI looks up to Don Howe and Ray Harford as coaching role models, that doesn't inspire me at all. Although I wasn't watching Albion when they were in charge, the consensus seems to be that we played a very negative, rigid and defensive style under their coaching. Having a defensive discipline is important, but I want to see Albion teams with flair taking the game to their opponents, rather than teams completely fixated on how the opposition will play. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 23, 2014, 10:19:25 PM
If AI looks up to Don Howe and Ray Harford as coaching role models, that doesn't inspire me at all. Although I wasn't watching Albion when they were in charge, the consensus seems to be that we played a very negative, rigid and defensive style under their coaching. Having a defensive discipline is important, but I want to see Albion teams with flair taking the game to their opponents, rather than teams completely fixated on how the opposition will play.
We did not have the money or players to excel then. That has a lot to do with it. Howe did not do very well with us and Harford did ok.
He then left if I remember (Harford) as he lived down South as the travelling was too much. And went to Blackburn? !! Or somewhere even further away. Football is a bizarre business at the best of times.The best you can hope for is a good mix throughout the coaching and playing staff. Some clubs work for individuals some don't RH is a prime example Moyes a more recent one?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on June 23, 2014, 10:32:10 PM
Harford did go to Blackburn, but that was later - I'm pretty sure he went to QPR from us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 23, 2014, 10:58:25 PM
Harford did go to Blackburn, but that was later - I'm pretty sure he went to QPR from us
You are correct 58

"In February 1997, Harford was named as West Bromwich Albion's new manager in place of Alan Buckley. Albion were hovering just above the relegation zone in Division One (which had been a familiar pattern since their promotion in 1993) and Harford did much to keep the club clear of relegation. Despite a promising start to the following season, he found it tiring to travel the 100+ miles from his Berkshire home to the Midlands on an almost daily basis, and in December 1997 moved to Division One rivals Queens Park Rangers.

"After spending four years as Kenny Dalglish's assistant, he was promoted to manager at Blackburn Rovers in June 1995, though he resigned in October 1996 following the sale of star striker Alan Shearer. Taking charge at West Bromwich Albion in February 1997, he switched clubs to Queens Park Rangers ten months later. He was sacked in September 1998, and subsequently became a coach at Millwall; he was still on the coaching staff at the club at the time of his death."

Its off "Wicki" But sounds ok.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on July 01, 2014, 08:24:06 AM
ALF where are the five or six new recruits
Peace same question also what about kit and sponsor ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on July 01, 2014, 08:32:34 AM
An unjustifiable appointment by a board struggling to justify their poor decisions over the last 12/18 months >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 01, 2014, 08:36:28 AM
ALF where are the five or six new recruits
Peace same question also what about kit and sponsor ?

They need to do it in the next two weeks or we are going to look every bit as incompetent as Peace assured us we weren't recently....!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 01, 2014, 08:38:32 AM
I aint convinced either but we will see.If this blows up JP is going to get match day protests galore
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on July 01, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Patience is a virtue boys.
Apart from the odd transfer not a lot happening anywhere at the moment.
If anything I'm amazed that we have got two players in at this stage, might be something to with the fact that they were freebies (to a point) so we had to move quickly to avoid them being snaffled up by other clubs.
I think were in negotiations at the moment ( if you believe the press) with clubs over contracted players, obviously this takes a bit longer as we persuade clubs to release players.
Not too worried yet, if we dont have more players on board in the next couple of weeks I might be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 01, 2014, 09:58:34 AM
ALF where are the five or six new recruits
Peace same question also what about kit and sponsor ?

no idea on kit sponsor and kit release.

Since the transfer window only opened today, it would have been hard to bring in players before then unless they were free...like Gardner & Lescott.
 I'm sure in one of his recent interviews Peace has said that we won't rely on free players and loans like we have done previously so we have had to wait until 1st July to begin the transfer business proper.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 01, 2014, 10:40:41 AM
Let's give him time before we decide what sort of appointment it is and I don't mean a couple of games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on July 01, 2014, 11:08:39 AM
AI does deserve time, of course he does. I think our first 6 Prem games that take us up to the end of September are pretty fair tests against teams and clubs (I think with the exception of Spurs) who we should be looking to judge ourselves by.

By the end of September I'm hoping the team and the performances will have given us cause to be pleasantly surprised, rather than worried. A good start to the season will buy him a hell of a lot of credit, and I'm hoping he does well for everyone's sake.

Meanwhile there's plenty of bargaining time left to get players in by opening day. Let's hope the Board use it wisely this time. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 01, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
Let's give him time before we decide what sort of appointment it is and I don't mean a couple of games.


Before Oct he needs to have won 3 games min before protesters start on Peace those first 6 games on paper we should and need to be gaining points.For me its all about performances.If its anything like Clarkes football towards the end of his reign then i wont be happy.The reports i have heard so far from Sheff Wed fans his football aint pleasing on the eye
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 01, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
I think we need to be in double figures (points wise, not negative goal difference) before the end of September.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on July 01, 2014, 01:39:26 PM

Before Oct he needs to have won 3 games min before protesters start on Peace those first 6 games on paper we should and need to be gaining points.For me its all about performances.If its anything like Clarkes football towards the end of his reign then i wont be happy.The reports i have heard so far from Sheff Wed fans his football aint pleasing on the eye

I agree with that from a VFM point of view. You want to feel like you're getting a bit of a show put on as well as your team picking up points.

But if it is a bit of a grind at the beginning but we're picking up points I'll go with that and give him the benefit of the doubt. Points on the board first, then we can pretty it up. But fundamentally I agree with you.

Of course if we sprint out of the traps playing like Pele's Brazil then we'll all be laughing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 01, 2014, 02:50:21 PM
I see that Laudrup has walked into the top European club he was talking about.  Isn't Qatar in Europe nowadays?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on July 01, 2014, 06:33:37 PM
I agree with that from a VFM point of view. You want to feel like you're getting a bit of a show put on as well as your team picking up points.

But if it is a bit of a grind at the beginning but we're picking up points I'll go with that and give him the benefit of the doubt. Points on the board first, then we can pretty it up. But fundamentally I agree with you.

Of course if we sprint out of the traps playing like Pele's Brazil then we'll all be laughing.
I'd love that, I really would, but, one of my best mates is a Wednesday fan. Who thought of him as arrogant, tactically woeful and would always play up other teams strengths almost to the point that he was scared of them. This is the likes of Yeovil. I think the 5 games will be a crucial indicator of how he will do and we need 9pts I just think he maybe in way over his head hope I'm wrong :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 01, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
ALF where are the five or six new recruits
Peace same question also what about kit and sponsor ?

Transfer window only opened today - we have two new additions already.

The kit and sponsors by all accounts all sorted - just a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

A bit of patience wouldn't go a miss...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 01, 2014, 08:09:52 PM
Transfer window only opened today - we have two new additions already.

The kit and sponsors by all accounts all sorted - just a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

A bit of patience wouldn't go a miss...

You're right of course, Liam - but you can't blame us all for having cabin fever after this last year. People are desperate for some positive messages coming from the club in terms of actions.

Let's face it the last 18 months have been a rollercoaster ride maintained by old Mr Withers from Scooby Doo....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 01, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
You're right of course, Liam - but you can't blame us all for having cabin fever after this last year. People are desperate for some positive messages coming from the club in terms of actions.

Let's face it the last 18 months have been a rollercoaster ride maintained by old Mr Withers from Scooby Doo....

The club have made their positive message - they beat off a host of clubs to sign Joleon Lescott - a top quality, proven centre half in this division. They have also supported that by the steady addition of Craig Gardner.

We're a long way from panic stations as things stand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 01, 2014, 10:23:08 PM
The club have made their positive message - they beat off a host of clubs to sign Joleon Lescott - a top quality, proven centre half in this division. They have also supported that by the steady addition of Craig Gardner.

We're a long way from panic stations as things stand.

i admire you half glass full mentality. personally i think we are stuffed this season.

alan irvine shouldn't be anywhere near this club. he shouldn't be near a top half chumps league team either.

JP has gone for the cheap, yes man option, again.

We've got a threadbare squad and a dire record in the transfer market since Ashworth left. Lescott and Gardner only joined because they are local boys. no decent, proven prem player would touch us with a barge pole. Even though we've been here 5 years.

Deep down, everyone knows it. We're forked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 01, 2014, 11:10:11 PM
i admire you half glass full mentality. personally i think we are stuffed this season.

alan irvine shouldn't be anywhere near this club. he shouldn't be near a top half chumps league team either.

JP has gone for the cheap, yes man option, again.

We've got a threadbare squad and a dire record in the transfer market since Ashworth left. Lescott and Gardner only joined because they are local boys. no decent, proven prem player would touch us with a barge pole. Even though we've been here 5 years.

Deep down, everyone knows it. We're forked.

My glass isn't half full - I think we're in for a struggle.

I agree about Alan Irvine too.

I just don't think in terms of player recruitment we've reached panicked stations yet.

I'll start panicking when we go into August and we still barely have a squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 02, 2014, 12:14:23 AM
My glass isn't half full - I think we're in for a struggle.

I agree about Alan Irvine too.

I just don't think in terms of player recruitment we've reached panicked stations yet.

I'll start panicking when we go into August and we still barely have a squad.

The deeper point regarding both the squad and the selection of coach is the complete lack of long term thinking. We seem content with kicking the can down the road for as long as it works.

Under Ashworth we at least seemed interest in trying to build something and go for the hidden gems in the transfer market. Now our transfer business is simply signing whomever happens to be left after the other clubs have taken their picks or, in desperation, throw some silly amount of money at a player/club to get a warm body in.

It's easy to overpay for declining old free agents or rejects from other clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on July 03, 2014, 05:10:36 PM
i'm sorry if this as already been posted but i wa still laughing an hour after i watched it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on July 03, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
The club have made their positive message - they beat off a host of clubs to sign Joleon Lescott - a top quality, proven centre half in this division. They have also supported that by the steady addition of Craig Gardner.

We're a long way from panic stations as things stand.

The Lescott signing was about the only upbeat and positive thing we have had from the Club in the last dire 18 months plus.
Gardner is a decent squad player but we lost better in Jones.
As for the players recently linked with ? well, underwhelming is probably the mildest way of putting things !
Still time I suppose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiedave on July 04, 2014, 07:43:24 PM
Can't believe how frustrating it realy is being a baggie. When we signed Jolean Lescott, soon after Alan Irvines appointment, it gave you the up beat feel good factor, what a great signing this is. Since then, its been realy quite drab has'nt it realy.  Very disappointing, having missed out on Aaron Cresswell to West Ham, i'm not that confident now, that we can make it happen now. We are missing a quality left and right back, we just hav'nt got anything in the side at all. The reality is that we will be relegated before a ball is kicked. We desperately need 7 quallity players at our club, right back, left back, and a quality stricker, because the players we have, did not do it for us last season.At worst we need to bring in at least 4 more. Two backs, an attacking midfielder, and a striker. Jeremy Preace WAKE UP!!!!.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 04, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Can't believe how frustrating it realy is being a baggie. When we signed Jolean Lescott, soon after Alan Irvines appointment, it gave you the up beat feel good factor, what a great signing this is. Since then, its been realy quite drab has'nt it realy.  Very disappointing, having missed out on Aaron Cresswell to West Ham, i'm not that confident now, that we can make it happen now. We are missing a quality left and right back, we just hav'nt got anything in the side at all. The reality is that we will be relegated before a ball is kicked. We desperately need 7 quallity players at our club, right back, left back, and a quality stricker, because the players we have, did not do it for us last season.At worst we need to bring in at least 4 more. Two backs, an attacking midfielder, and a striker. Jeremy Preace WAKE UP!!!!.

Just a question for you? How will we be relegated before a ball is kicked?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 04, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
Just a question for you? How will we be relegated before a ball is kicked?

Through the power of negative thinking, Gerry!

I've been feeling quite doomy and have said plenty of negative stuff. Not gona help is it.

We SERIOUSLY need to do some astute signing this month. I don't think Cresswell would have been right for us at that price.

I've been quite anti-Peace lately. My new stance is as far as I'm concerned he has THIS season, and therefore THIS transfer market - because we only have one a year - to prove he is still right for us. Over to you, sir.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 04, 2014, 09:08:34 PM
Through the power of negative thinking, Gerry!

I've been feeling quite doomy and have said plenty of negative stuff. Not gona help is it.

We SERIOUSLY need to do some astute signing this month. I don't think Cresswell would have been right for us at that price.

I've been quite anti-Peace lately. My new stance is as far as I'm concerned he has THIS season, and therefore THIS transfer market - because we only have one a year - to prove he is still right for us. Over to you, sir.

I too have been anti Peace lately as well! Im hoping we can pull something out of the bag! Next week needs to be quite big as we will be back in training and need to gel players for the pre-season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 05, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
Some fans at clubs where Irvine has been manager before have said he was obsessed with analysing the opposition and then using tactics to try to counteract them, sometimes to the detriment of his own side. Consequently, the highlighted comment below might make some feel a bit edgy:

"We have a technical director in Terry and he will deal with a lot of things that would take a manager off the training ground – dealing with players’ contracts and with agents. These are all things that take you away from the most important job, which is working with players. They take you away from being able to analyse your own performance and analyse the opposition as thoroughly as you’d like to.

The title is head coach and the main part of the job is to coach, but you can’t coach the squad of players without being involved in their management."

Link: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/07/02/west-broms-alan-irvine-structure-is-in-place-to-thrive/)

Let's hope the players don't end up too frightened to go out onto the pitch because of how wonderful the opposition has been made to look during the pre-match preparation!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on July 05, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
Before every match, Tony Pulis shows his players video clips of all of their opposing players' weaknesses and mistakes. As if to remind his own players that the opposition are human, frail and prone to errors. i.e. don't believe the media hype.

Something we should adopt imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on July 08, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
see AI said that Morrison and Brunt will be missing for the start of Pre Season due to injury, Mozza knee and Brunty groin both had minor opps
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 08, 2014, 10:47:24 AM
Before every match, Tony Pulis shows his players video clips of all of their opposing players' weaknesses and mistakes. As if to remind his own players that the opposition are human, frail and prone to errors. i.e. don't believe the media hype.

Something we should adopt imo.

How do you know we don't?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
Just like Steve Clarke i am utterly bored already listening to him speak
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on July 08, 2014, 04:50:12 PM
Just like Steve Clarke i am utterly bored already listening to him speak
Well that's a nice fair start isn't it ? , I've seen your chants in the Alan Irvine section too ....at least give the bloke the chance to lose a few before getting at him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on July 08, 2014, 04:51:25 PM
Just like Steve Clarke i am utterly bored already listening to him speak

Does a nice and passionate voice turn you on ?  :o

I could not give 2 tosses the way he speaks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2014, 04:56:53 PM
Just another boring scotsman whos punching above his weight because he come cheap.Hes out of his depth.No other premier league club and most championships clubs whould have  even given him time of day.I was correct about Clarke and i will be spot on about this one too
He will be gone by xmas
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on July 08, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
Just another boring scotsman whos punching above his weight because he come cheap.Hes out of his depth.No other premier league club and most championships clubs whould have never even given him time of day
He will be gone by xmas
Maybe so and if i was a betting man i would go with your view but surely the least we can do is give the bloke a chance ? , JP picked him and in my view he hasn't picked a bad manager yet (yes even Robson/Great Escape). Irvine wasn't even in my top 20 choices but he is here and IMO we just have to get behind him and at least start positive ....if we lose most of the first 10 / 15 games then fair enough he will take the flack and most likely be gone but i'm certainly  not going to hound him out before he's had a fair chance . We were quick enough to laugh at Wolves and Villa for doing the very same thing in recent years.......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on July 08, 2014, 05:05:25 PM
Does a nice and passionate voice turn you on ?  :o

I could not give 2 tosses the way he speaks.
Was Brian Blessed on our list ? :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2014, 05:14:57 PM
Just another boring scotsman whos punching above his weight because he come cheap.Hes out of his depth.No other premier league club and most championships clubs whould have  even given him time of day.I was correct about Clarke and i will be spot on about this one too
He will be gone by xmas

What an absolute disaster it'll be if we finish 8th with our records point tally for the premier league. Let's hope Irvine fail's that badly!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on July 08, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
So then a question for those who think Irvine will be a disaster.

What will you people deem as been a success for him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Critical Baggie on July 08, 2014, 06:24:17 PM
I'm sorry but for all the 'positive publicity' spin the club seem to have been following up since this appointment from 'through thick or thin' slogans on Facebook for the launch of the to whisping Lescott in front of the cameras as quick as they could isn't really consoling me on the situation.

Thinking about it today really compounded the fact as much as Peace or Burton wan't to bang on about Irvine being "one of the best coaches around' doesn't really buy with me. Irvine is not even worthy of a Championship managerial role, let alone Premier League 'Head Coach'. Those of you that argue the point, 'well we do hire head coaches, not managers anymore' is a completely invalid viewpoint. Are you telling me the best of what's out there or even Tim Sherwood on that same note can't coach?

Of course not, so who's not to imply we should of taken the best manager out there and put them under a head coach role. All they have to focus on is the coaching? None of that transfer business to worry about. And thats where the problem lies because thats Peace's call, scrutinising every penny that is paid out of the club.

The head coach role would work if our Chairman didn't have to be so tight. It just so happens to be the falling block all the time. Whether thats bringing in the right quality player or coach, we seem to  too often just get second best.

From where I'm looking, it's Peace's dictatorship over the purse strings is why we've ended up with the 'Yes Man' puppet of a head coach to just coach and always accept the way things are.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 08, 2014, 06:38:59 PM
So then a question for those who think Irvine will be a disaster.

What will you people deem as been a success for him?

I think Irvine will be a disaster.  The only thing that can save him is good players, but there doesn't seem to be much action there at the moment.  I'm not on his case, I just have an opinion.

*Apparently* we used to break the season down into blocks of 10 games to enable us to judge performance.  This season I would say lets take the 1st 11 games.  (There's a couple of difficult ones after that, so I'm being kind.)  There's 7 peer teams in there, plus 2 we should be aspiring to compete with and 2 we wont be competing with.  So after 11 games I would like 15 points.  We will need to be around that level for the 1st 3rd (ish) of the season judging from our run in. 
- Anything less than 11 is abject failure. 
- Between 11 and 15, you make a judgement call on whether things are improving or going downwards. 
- 15 or more than you're on course or better.

11 games take us up to early November.  Make a decision then.  If we need to replace Irvine we can do our due dithering and get someone in before Christmas...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
So then a question for those who think Irvine will be a disaster.

What will you people deem as been a success for him?



Without doubt staying in the premier playing a watchable brand of football
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 08, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
I was correct about Clarke and i will be spot on about this one too

No you wasn't correct at all.

Clarke reached his shelf life of around 18 months. About the going rate for managers/head coaches nowadays.

Unless you deem Steve Clarke guiding a side to 8th as failure?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on July 08, 2014, 06:58:10 PM
Just like Steve Clarke i am utterly bored already listening to him speak

Sorry cant agree he actually talks very well regarding his vision on football etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2014, 07:00:59 PM
How many more times.Clarke came in on the crest of Roys wave, his surf went flat in the november and with the help of Lukaku and the rubbish below us we finished at the lofty height of 8th.
How many games from  November 2012 up to May 2013 did we win.The trend continued and he got sacked 6 months later.Irvine dont have the umph from the previous coach that Clarke had. We will see but my bet is Irvine will be gone by xmas
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 09, 2014, 01:53:57 AM
Well, you never know, football is a funny game. But as things stand now we would need some major signings to come in to bolster the squad and the stars to align perfectly for Irvine to succeed. Irvine somehow has to create a team that knows how to win again. And as you say, doing so playing watchable football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DownInAlbion on July 09, 2014, 02:45:18 AM
How many more times.Clarke came in on the crest of Roys wave, his surf went flat in the november and with the help of Lukaku and the rubbish below us we finished at the lofty height of 8th.
How many games from  November 2012 up to May 2013 did we win.The trend continued and he got sacked 6 months later.Irvine dont have the umph from the previous coach that Clarke had. We will see but my bet is Irvine will be gone by xmas

I find it crazy how many of our fans give Steve Clarke no credit whatsoever for our highest ever premiership finish. when we finished 8th that season did everybody say it was down to RH? If anyone else can remember please tell me....

By your logic it wasnt Moyes that failed at Old Trafford he just inherited a bad team from fergie, Pochettinos good work at soton was down to adkins. for the first 6months (when we were actually playing well and getting points) Lukaku was on the bench and Clarke was probably a major reason why we got Lukaku in the first place down to his chelsea connections.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on July 09, 2014, 06:39:16 AM
I find it crazy how many of our fans give Steve Clarke no credit whatsoever for our highest ever premiership finish. when we finished 8th that season did everybody say it was down to RH? If anyone else can remember please tell me....

By your logic it wasnt Moyes that failed at Old Trafford he just inherited a bad team from fergie, Pochettinos good work at soton was down to adkins. for the first 6months (when we were actually playing well and getting points) Lukaku was on the bench and Clarke was probably a major reason why we got Lukaku in the first place down to his chelsea connections.

Roy instilled good habits into our players through his coaching and experience, that was already in the players heads when Clarke came in. He then proceded to instill his doctrine into the players different coach different methods. Roys worked Clarkes didn't.
Same as Moyes and Fergie. Pochettino carried on from where Adkins left off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DownInAlbion on July 09, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
Roy instilled good habits into our players through his coaching and experience, that was already in the players heads when Clarke came in. He then proceded to instill his doctrine into the players different coach different methods. Roys worked Clarkes didn't.
Same as Moyes and Fergie. Pochettino carried on from where Adkins left off.

Clarke got us higher than Hodgson ever did. As a young supporter Clarke gave me my best season as an albion fan but for some reason it seems people just want to forget it ever happened and slag the bloke off.

anyway back to Irvine....will be interesting to hear the reaction of the fans when they announce him on the first game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 09, 2014, 01:27:33 PM
Clarke got us higher than Hodgson ever did. As a young supporter Clarke gave me my best season as an albion fan but for some reason it seems people just want to forget it ever happened and slag the bloke off.

anyway back to Irvine....will be interesting to hear the reaction of the fans when they announce him on the first game

Clarke got sacked five games after that Chelsea game where we got cheated by Ramires. We were 9th in the table at that time and I'd say that the majority of Albion fans would have agreed he was doing a good job. I still think he was sacked too early but the summer transfer window did a lot of damage and his persistence to sign Anelka and Sinclair probably didn't help him either. I hope the fans give Irvine a great reception and give him a fair chance because he may surprise a few people.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on July 09, 2014, 01:55:42 PM
Clarke got sacked five games after that Chelsea game where we got cheated by Ramires. We were 9th in the table at that time and I'd say that the majority of Albion fans would have agreed he was doing a good job. I still think he was sacked too early but the summer transfer window did a lot of damage and his persistence to sign Anelka and Sinclair probably didn't help him either. I hope the fans give Irvine a great reception and give him a fair chance because he may surprise a few people.
I think Clarke may still be here if we had won that game, it just seemed to destroy him! Remember his interview after the game and he was distraught and never recovered. This affected his ability to lift the players and the writing was on the wall.
So important for Irvine to get off to a good start and get everyone on board, including the fans, anyone who thinks we have no influence is deluded, if we get on his back from the off it will make an already difficult job impossible.
Please note, I think it is an awful appointment, but we have NO option now but to play OUR part in making it work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RuncornBaggie on July 09, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
Clarke got sacked five games after that Chelsea game where we got cheated by Ramires. We were 9th in the table at that time and I'd say that the majority of Albion fans would have agreed he was doing a good job. I still think he was sacked too early but the summer transfer window did a lot of damage and his persistence to sign Anelka and Sinclair probably didn't help him either. I hope the fans give Irvine a great reception and give him a fair chance because he may surprise a few people.

Everyone that I spoke to when we signed these two players was delighted that we had signed them.  At the time they were both wonderful signings. As it turns out they were not so wonderful but hind sight is wonderful thing! 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on July 09, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
Everyone that I spoke to when we signed these two players was delighted that we had signed them.  At the time they were both wonderful signings. As it turns out they were not so wonderful but hind sight is wonderful thing!

Hand on heart/stack of bibles I said at the time he was an awful signing but thought he would have contributed more. I get no pleasure from saying I told you so!
I was more impressed with Sinclair but obviously sitting on the bench week in week out, and sometimes not even doing that, for a whole eason takes its toll.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 09, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
Hand on heart/stack of bibles I said at the time he was an awful signing but thought he would have contributed more. I get no pleasure from saying I told you so!
I was more impressed with Sinclair but obviously sitting on the bench week in week out, and sometimes not even doing that, for a whole eason takes its toll.

I was pleased with the Anelka signing at the time because I thought even if he wasn't able to play we could use his knowledge and experience to bring on some of the younger professionals. Misread that one!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on July 09, 2014, 06:19:11 PM
we don't get of to a good start and play some good football the fans will turn very quickly . we carry on same as last season Irvine , deno and downing will get it ow and jp . we have to win some games and in style .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 09, 2014, 06:30:25 PM
I was pleased with the Anelka signing at the time because I thought even if he wasn't able to play we could use his knowledge and experience to bring on some of the younger professionals. Misread that one!

You were not the only one!. I was delighted when he signed and thought the same thing but it all went horribly wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 09, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
How many more times.Clarke came in on the crest of Roys wave, his surf went flat in the november and with the help of Lukaku and the rubbish below us we finished at the lofty height of 8th.
How many games from  November 2012 up to May 2013 did we win.The trend continued and he got sacked 6 months later.Irvine dont have the umph from the previous coach that Clarke had. We will see but my bet is Irvine will be gone by xmas

Amazing that you will not attribute any of our success that season to Steve Clarke.

A Steve Clarke who had us playing far superior football to anything Roy Hodgson had us playing - infact, for many supporters who are under the age of 30 it was probably some of the best football they have ever witnessed from a West Brom side. Albion were a well oiled machine under Hodgson but Clarke for a few months at least took us a bit further before one particular incident in January stole the headlines and in my opinion was a major disruption throughout the remainder of that season.

And as for Lukaku - that is the man who was brought in by Steve Clarke to score goals who throughout our most successful period that season spent the majority of it sitting on the bench. Even if you had taken away Lukaku's goals we would have been clear of relegation and would have had another successful season in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on July 09, 2014, 07:55:05 PM
The football under Clarke for those months were the best and most exciting I have saw in my 15 years as an Albion fan. Competing and beating the best teams in the country.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on July 10, 2014, 08:46:28 AM
Amazing that you will not attribute any of our success that season to Steve Clarke.

A Steve Clarke who had us playing far superior football to anything Roy Hodgson had us playing - infact, for many supporters who are under the age of 30 it was probably some of the best football they have ever witnessed from a West Brom side. Albion were a well oiled machine under Hodgson but Clarke for a few months at least took us a bit further before one particular incident in January stole the headlines and in my opinion was a major disruption throughout the remainder of that season.

And as for Lukaku - that is the man who was brought in by Steve Clarke to score goals who throughout our most successful period that season spent the majority of it sitting on the bench. Even if you had taken away Lukaku's goals we would have been clear of relegation and would have had another successful season in the Premier League.

It seems very easy for people to snatch away Clarke's success yet blame him for poor football and defeats.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 12, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Our head coach turns 56 today! Happy birthday Alan  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 12, 2014, 03:18:51 PM
Happy birthday, Gaffer!  :)

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article7288261.ece/alternates/s615/Alan-Irvine-is-unveiled-as-the-new-West-Browich-Head-Coach-at-the-Hawthorns.jpg)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on July 12, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
When we appointed Irvine I was fuming as was a lot of us, but since he came in he bought in Lescott, Baird, and seb, I know he might not have got them himself but he's played a part in them, and to be honest I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 12, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
Nice pic that, Happy birthday gaffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on July 12, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
Enjoy it Alan because you won't have another birthday at the Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 12, 2014, 04:02:40 PM
Happy birthday! Best of luck with the new season  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on July 12, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
Enjoy it Alan because you won't have another birthday at the Albion.

Whos he off to? England, Chelsea, Man United?  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on July 12, 2014, 05:27:50 PM
Whos he off to? England, Chelsea, Man United?  ;D

The abyss.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on July 12, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Enjoy it Alan because you won't have another birthday at the Albion.

Nothing like a positive attitude.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on July 12, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
When we appointed Irvine I was fuming as was a lot of us, but since he came in he bought in Lescott, Baird, and seb, I know he might not have got them himself but he's played a part in them, and to be honest I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do!

Good to hear some people are going to give him a chance which is quite the opposite of what was happening when he was appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on July 12, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
Nothing like a positive attitude.

And that's nothing like one!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 12, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
Good to hear some people are going to give him a chance which is quite the opposite of what was happening when he was appointed.

Personally, not impressed by the appointment but will always give the bloke a chance and be more than happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if the time comes

I wasn't overly keen when Megson was appointed but same thing happy to give him a chance and that bloke did okay for us.

Time will tell either way and I just hope we don't have anyone on here being overly happy and patting themselves on the back in the smug way we seem to be getting at times whichever way it goes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 12, 2014, 06:11:18 PM
Good to hear some people are going to give him a chance which is quite the opposite of what was happening when he was appointed.

He'll be given a chance given there is no real option for fans however a defeat to Sunderland and the knives will be well and truly out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on July 12, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
Good to hear some people are going to give him a chance which is quite the opposite of what was happening when he was appointed.

Give it a rest eh.

The overwhelming response when Irvine was appointed was of surprise and disappointment, understandably so in my opinion. All the Albion fans I've spoken to agree to varying extent, but not one has said they won't give him a chance. People have chastised the decision, not the man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 12, 2014, 06:32:17 PM
Give it a rest eh.

The overwhelming response when Irvine was appointed was of surprise and disappointment, understandably so in my opinion. All the Albion fans I've spoken to agree to varying extent, but not one has said they won't give him a chance. People have chastised the decision, not the man.

To be fair mate, there were many dissenting voices on here & not much 'we'll give him a chance' in the early days after the appointment & I would say that referring to the new head coach as Alan Irvine was disrespectfully aimed at the man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 12, 2014, 06:38:07 PM
He'll be given a chance given there is no real option for fans however a defeat to Sunderland and the knives will be well and truly out.

After one game? Fans don't have to be happy with the appointment but they can give him a fair chance. We saw how great our support could be under Mel's reign and it would be disappointing to not give a man who's going to work extremely hard to do well here a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on July 12, 2014, 06:47:06 PM
To be fair mate, there were many dissenting voices on here & not much 'we'll give him a chance' in the early days after the appointment & I would say that referring to the new head coach as Alan Irvine was disrespectfully aimed at the man.

I would suggest the vast majority of those voices were aimed at the decision and the people who made it - mine certainly was. As for the Alan Irvine think, I've not seen too much of it. To be honest, I'm pretty sure I said something similar when I heard the news such was the shock. I was chatting to someone who knows quite a bit about what happens up the Albion and they were saying that this appointment came out of nowhere and couldn't understand it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on July 12, 2014, 07:04:39 PM
Give it a rest eh.

The overwhelming response when Irvine was appointed was of surprise and disappointment, understandably so in my opinion. All the Albion fans I've spoken to agree to varying extent, but not one has said they won't give him a chance. People have chastised the decision, not the man.

Surprise and disappointment? Anger and arrogance more like! Some muppet on here even emailed the Everton academy begging they didn't release him from his contract. Things like that are hardly a vote of confidence are they??

Yes you are correct there were many dissatisfied with Peace but there were plenty who disrespected and ridiculed Irvine at the same time too. That is hardly giving him a chance from the start.

Back to the general transfer rumours could someone with a little more knowledge explain why Rodwell has barely played for City over two years? I haven't followed his career closely enough to know what has limited his first team appearances. Too much competition or too many injuries?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 12, 2014, 07:17:38 PM
After one game? Fans don't have to be happy with the appointment but they can give him a fair chance. We saw how great our support could be under Mel's reign and it would be disappointing to not give a man who's going to work extremely hard to do well here a chance.

Jacko is merely pointing out that 'Alan Irvine' will not be given a fair chance. FFS you can't even wish him happy birthday without seeing the venom. The postman probably tells Irvine how terrible he is every time he delivers the mail.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 12, 2014, 07:40:09 PM
I would suggest the vast majority of those voices were aimed at the decision and the people who made it - mine certainly was. As for the Alan Irvine think, I've not seen too much of it. To be honest, I'm pretty sure I said something similar when I heard the news such was the shock. I was chatting to someone who knows quite a bit about what happens up the Albion and they were saying that this appointment came out of nowhere and couldn't understand it.

Aye, I think most fans wish for irvine to succeed for the simple reason that his success means success for West Brom. However, that doesn't in any way take away from Irvine's, until this point, less than stellar record (to speak mildly) and the complete silence from management towards explaining their logic behind his appointment. I am not counting the usual waffle about 'best man for the job' 'great track record as coach' because such platitudes are rolled out as standard with any new appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on July 12, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Surprise and disappointment? Anger and arrogance more like! Some muppet on here even emailed the Everton academy begging they didn't release him from his contract. Things like that are hardly a vote of confidence are they??

Yes you are correct there were many dissatisfied with Peace but there were plenty who disrespected and ridiculed Irvine at the same time too. That is hardly giving him a chance from the start.

Back to the general transfer rumours could someone with a little more knowledge explain why Rodwell has barely played for City over two years? I haven't followed his career closely enough to know what has limited his first team appearances. Too much competition or too many injuries?

Arrogance? how so?

I wouldn't say Irvine the man has been disrespected or ridiculed, his achievements and credentials on the other hand...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 13, 2014, 06:32:11 AM


I wasn't overly keen when Megson was appointed but same thing happy to give him a chance and that bloke did okay for us.


And that Oldbury is the understatement of the year !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on July 13, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Arrogance? how so?

I wouldn't say Irvine the man has been disrespected or ridiculed, his achievements and credentials on the other hand...

Who are we to disrespect and ridicule his achievements and credentials though? The good old phrase 'he is respected in the footballing world' keeps coming out and it's going to have some sort of substance to it.

Irvine fits well with the set up we have. You can call him a yes man but at the end of the day we have to set ourselves aside from others since we don't have the excessive financial muscle others show off on a regular basis.

A yes man or manager of a lesser stature might give us the best chance. Look at Pardew at Newcastle. I think he is the third longest reigning manager in the PL and was brought in because he seemed to be pals with Ashley. He has brought some stability to the club considering the poor seasons they had preceding his appointment.

It's all good having someone to challenge the board on certain issues but there is only ever one winner and that only causes instability and in turns gives us a much lessened chance of 'success'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 14, 2014, 11:12:31 AM
loose the first few winnable games and my venom will be at JP for appointing this head coach in the first place.Irvine cant hep it being out of his depth.JP should have aimed higher and not third division
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on July 14, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
Being a 'yes man' invariably means that the club goes along in a peaceful flow, a head coach that is in discord with the chairman etc. invariably means that the club gets torn to pieces.  Being a scot I can't see Irvine being a complete 'yes man' but he has enough sense to work in harmony with the people that are providing the funds.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on July 14, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
 For me it STILL doesnt make sense. If AI is the right man for the job and such an outstanding candidate as a brilliant coach now why wasnt he appointed instead of Pepe Mel!!?? or has he improved so much since December?My feeling is that we were turned down by our no 1 choice(and possibly others) which left the board desperate after a lengthy spell with nobody at the helm.
 I will say again i just dont see what the bloke has achieved to get this job and neither it would seem can anybody else as he hasnt been a head honcho anywhere for a number of years. Obviously want to be wrong but i think this is just a disaster waiting to happen >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 14, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
loose the first few winnable games and my venom will be at JP for appointing this head coach in the first place.Irvine cant hep it being out of his depth.JP should have aimed higher and not third division
What do you class as winnable games, aren't they all or are you going to be condescending to our opposition as fans have been to us in the past?  Surely if we have made such bad decisions and will be relegated then none of our games will be winnable?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 14, 2014, 01:52:21 PM
loose the first few winnable games and my venom will be at JP for appointing this head coach in the first place.Irvine cant hep it being out of his depth.JP should have aimed higher and not third division

Yes, yes you really can't wait to get your bed sheets out, we get it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 14, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Yes, yes you really can't wait to get your bed sheets out, we get it.


Mum you chucking out any old bed sheets. hang on to em until xmas
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 14, 2014, 02:45:41 PM
For me it STILL doesnt make sense. If AI is the right man for the job and such an outstanding candidate as a brilliant coach now why wasnt he appointed instead of Pepe Mel!!?? or has he improved so much since December?My feeling is that we were turned down by our no 1 choice(and possibly others) which left the board desperate after a lengthy spell with nobody at the helm.
 I will say again i just dont see what the bloke has achieved to get this job and neither it would seem can anybody else as he hasnt been a head honcho anywhere for a number of years. Obviously want to be wrong but i think this is just a disaster waiting to happen >:(

I believe Pepe Mel was recommended by McDonough who's now gone. The criteria this time was to get a great coach who can work well with players on the training ground and Irvine fit the bill.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 14, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
I believe Pepe Mel was recommended by McDonough who's now gone. The criteria this time was to get a great coach who can work well with players on the training ground and Irvine fit the bill.



This i dont understand , He was were only coaching kids at Everton so if Matinez thought he was great i am sure he would have been part of his first team set up. such a great coach he took Sheff Wed down playing not so great football. Baffled by the word great to be honest
He had his opportunity after coaching with Moyes and failed at 2 lower league clubs.What right does he have to coach a premier league club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 14, 2014, 04:22:32 PM


This i dont understand , He was were only coaching kids at Everton so if Matinez thought he was great i am sure he would have been part of his first team set up. such a great coach he took Sheff Wed down playing not so great football. Baffled by the word great to be honest
He had his opportunity after coaching with Moyes and failed at 2 lower league clubs.What right does he have to coach a premier league club

Martinez brought in his own people from Wigan as his coaching staff. Irvine was obviously doing a good job and trusted with the Academy, I believe they finished U-18s Premier League Champions. His role here is Head Coach rather than manager so it differs with his previous jobs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 14, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Martinez brought in his own people from Wigan as his coaching staff. Irvine was obviously doing a good job and trusted with the Academy, I believe they finished U-18s Premier League Champions. His role here is Head Coach rather than manager so it differs with his previous jobs.

So what's the difference between the roles a head coach fulfils and those of a manager?  What aspects of the manager role (at Preston and Sheff Wed) did Irvine excel at which makes him appear to be a 'great coach' or justify a chance to be a head coach?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: peacebewithu on July 15, 2014, 09:13:59 AM
This 'He's not the Manager he's the Head Coach' is just nonsense. Who will be picking the team,determining tactics,making substitutions etc ? IE The stuff that the Manager does.  We have to assume that it will be down to Irvine, The only time I have heard Irvine described as a Great coach is by Terry Burton who described him as one the best coaches in Britain ! I tend to trust facts more than opinions, so I can only go on his poor record as a manager of a championship and League 1 teams. Like most Baggies fans I hope he's a success but the knives will be out if we make a bad start to the season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
I think he needs to win two out of those first three games to keep the fans on side, loose all three and oh boy!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2014, 10:34:10 AM
I think he needs to win two out of those first three games to keep the fans on side, loose all three and oh boy!



I will be satisfied with 2 wins, its vital we get off to a good start.Getting new recruits in this month can only help
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on July 17, 2014, 09:06:10 AM
Alan Irvine having a whine about the full back situation. Should shut up whining and be grateful he has been given such a position! The full backs will arrive...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on July 17, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
Alan Irvine having a whine about the full back situation. Should shut up whining and be grateful he has been given such a position! The full backs will arrive...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651)
Give him a break!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 17, 2014, 09:27:40 AM
Alan Irvine having a whine about the full back situation. Should shut up whining and be grateful he has been given such a position! The full backs will arrive...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651)

Not just complaining about lack of full-backs though is he? He is complaining about being short on the wings and up front too, do you disagree with what he is saying? I'm as frustrated about our lack of options as he obviously is, as for saying they will arrive that may be true but when? We need players to be settled in and know how the manager wants to play, if they arrive at the end of the window that isn't going to happen.

He can't win really, if he didn't complain about lack of options available to him people accuse him of being a yes man for Peace and when he does say something you come on here saying he should keep his mouth shut. Quite frankly he is on to a loser here with 'supporters' acting like this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DeathDefying Grace on July 17, 2014, 09:29:26 AM
Alan Irvine having a whine about the full back situation. Should shut up whining and be grateful he has been given such a position! The full backs will arrive...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651)

If he didn't acknowledge there was a problem w/r/t lack of players then there'd be even more moans. I'm glad he knows we're short. Still got plenty of time to fix it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on July 17, 2014, 09:32:36 AM
The squad is thread bare.  Even 3rd division quality managers can see it.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on July 17, 2014, 09:36:55 AM
He can't win really, if he didn't complain about lack of options available to him people accuse him of being a yes man for Peace and when he does say something you come on here saying he should keep his mouth shut. Quite frankly he is on to a loser here with 'supporters' acting like this.

I don't think we are accusing him of anything other than we've heard this all before by our previous managers, he must have known before he took the job that the cheque book wasn't going to be opened or did he think it was going to be different for him? He's the coach and he's going to have to prove that he's a good coach because there is not going to be a quick fix by buying players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on July 17, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
Every manager we've ever had has complained about the lack of transfer movement during the summer. Remember when Megson broke from the pre-season trip to get back to hurry things along?  :D

Other than a RB I really can't see us signing any more players before the season starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 17, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
Other than a RB I really can't see us signing any more players before the season starts.

If that happens then the club will have failed, the start to our season is going to be vital given the fixtures.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on July 17, 2014, 09:44:20 AM
If that happens then the club will have failed, the start to our season is going to be vital given the fixtures.

Absolutely, If we don't hit the ground running then I can only see one outcome.

For me the window should shut 2 weeks before the season starts. It would at least give us the chance to get players in early and bed then in. Some of the players we've signed late in the window in the past haven't even had a proper pre-season. They never catch up either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
It's a very honest view isn't it ? , one which i fully agree with .
Irvine's maybe not going to be the Yes man many though he would be , i do understand  club's stance though when the likes of West Ham lump 7 million on a player who has never played top flight at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 17, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
Alan Irvine having a whine about the full back situation. Should shut up whining and be grateful he has been given such a position! The full backs will arrive...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-irvine-reveals-frustrations-west-7439651)
Good on Irvine for saying it. It's a well-trodden path for our previous managers and head coaches of course. The trip to America is supposed to be the key period when we work a lot on plans and tactics for the season, yet we're embarking on that trip with (by my reckoning) at least 4 first choice players not yet signed and as many as 3 or 4 other key squad members yet to be recruited. That will restrict what can be achieved on the trip significantly and the Club has no-one else to blame but itself for the position that we're in.

The first few games of next season will be vital for a number of reasons, so it's not OK to leave it until August 31st to bring several players in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 17, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
Not just complaining about lack of full-backs though is he? He is complaining about being short on the wings and up front too, do you disagree with what he is saying? I'm as frustrated about our lack of options as he obviously is, as for saying they will arrive that may be true but when? We need players to be settled in and know how the manager wants to play, if they arrive at the end of the window that isn't going to happen.

He can't win really, if he didn't complain about lack of options available to him people accuse him of being a yes man for Peace and when he does say something you come on here saying he should keep his mouth shut. Quite frankly he is on to a loser here with 'supporters' acting like this.

I completely agree, not that i would bet against my own team but at 4-1 surely a decent shout for outsiders to get the can first, All depends on our attacking signings though for me we desperately need some quality in these areas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 17, 2014, 08:31:48 PM
Irvine is completely correct of course. We can all see that. When we shot up the table under Clarke we had something we have never had since. We had a well balanced side with a proper player in every position (more or less). We had speed on the wing with Odemwingie. Gera was still useful and could come up with the odd bit of magic to win games. We didn't even need to play that well to win games because of our balance we had players that could come up with the business when needed. This time was the first and only time we ever heard that "West Brom can now win without playing well".

We are desperate for more speed in the team especially going forward, none of the signings so far have addressed that issue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on July 17, 2014, 08:43:03 PM
I dont think hes criticising the club directly just the way football is in general his frustrations will be shared by many managers.

Creswell was proberbly valued at half the amount West Ham paid for him before Shaw went to United etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 17, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
Good on Irvine for saying it. It's a well-trodden path for our previous managers and head coaches of course. The trip to America is supposed to be the key period when we work a lot on plans and tactics for the season, yet we're embarking on that trip with (by my reckoning) at least 4 first choice players not yet signed and as many as 3 or 4 other key squad members yet to be recruited. That will restrict what can be achieved on the trip significantly and the Club has no-one else to blame but itself for the position that we're in.

The first few games of next season will be vital for a number of reasons, so it's not OK to leave it until August 31st to bring several players in.

Completley agree.

Does every pre season have to be this disjointed?

8 players from attacking positions have left the club since January and as yet none have been brought in.

Complete waste of a pre season tour as things stand.

I havent forgiven the club for the complete farce they caused in the January window either.....

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2014, 11:59:17 PM
Completley agree.

Does every pre season have to be this disjointed?

8 players from attacking positions have left the club since January and as yet none have been brought in.

Complete waste of a pre season tour as things stand.

I havent forgiven the club for the complete farce they caused in the January window either.....

Match wise it's a waste of time anyway, they could take me and you up front and we'd give that opposition a game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on July 18, 2014, 06:22:14 AM
Match wise it's a waste of time anyway, they could take me and you up front and we'd give that opposition a game.

its just a glorified jolly. whats the point in going to the states with a squad like that playing such poor opposition, anything they do over there could be done here. at a fraction of the cost.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 18, 2014, 09:31:02 AM
I dont understand why we are playing the same side twice ? surely two different oppositions would of been more beneficial to play against, maybe a lower league side first then a better MLS side before we come home. I like the idea of the break away from our training ground work on some tactical things and set plays etc but not sure it will be that beneficial with no new attacking players, Lescott, Baird and Gardner are all vastly experienced anyway would of been nice to have some new young blood to take over there with Poco.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on July 18, 2014, 10:37:15 AM
Quite clear to me that this tour is almost entirely focused around training. Obviously the games won't be much of a test, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Irvine has said himself we haven't really worked on anything tactically yet, so a couple of games against weaker opposition are probably ideal to bed those in before we take on more competitive sides at home. Also a fair chance that the games will be played at a lower tempo, which will prevent fatigue and allow us to get a lot more from the training.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on July 18, 2014, 10:51:45 AM
The games are glorified training exercises as are all the pre season friendlies apart from the maybe the last two. In some ways it would be better if the entire pre season was conducted behind closed doors but clubs use them as a little bit of PR and the bigger ones play lucrative exhibition games in far flung places. All of which is a bit of a sideshow but pre season is about getting fit and organised. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mateinone on July 30, 2014, 02:12:32 AM
In all my time of following sports of any kind. Irvine is the most underwhelming/worrying signing I can remember from a coaching or first team player perspective.

I hope he and Peace prove me wrong (and in all fairness Peace has done this before), but I am very worried about this coming season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2014, 02:51:10 AM
In all my time of following sports of any kind. Irvine is the most underwhelming/worrying signing I can remember from a coaching or first team player perspective.

I hope he and Peace prove me wrong (and in all fairness Peace has done this before), but I am very worried about this coming season.

It's such a weird appointment that all I can hope for is that it somehow, magically, works.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on July 30, 2014, 09:18:19 AM
As it is nearing the start of the season AL will be getting my full support, have to admit there seems to be good vibes coming out of
the training ground for his methods . So good luck for the upcoming season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 30, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
It's such a weird appointment that all I can hope for is that it somehow, magically, works.

Totally agree. What is also weird is that JP has so publicly hung his hat on Irvine. Remember all the quotes when he was hired. The buck stops with me, this was my decision etc. I don't remember similar quotes when previous managers were signed up.

Also he has backed Irvine more than any other manager we have ever had. Broken the transfer record. Got 6 signings in before pre-season. This has never happened before.

Come January JP is either going to look like a fricking genius or total bellend.

When Irvine was appointed I was planning on giving this season a miss. Now I am totally fascinated in how it is all going to play out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
Loose the first 2 winnable home games and JP i am sure will be made aware.Totally uninspiring appointment but in its favour i think all the coaches together could work well with the players in good harmony
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 30, 2014, 11:36:03 AM
Loose the first 2 winnable home games and JP i am sure will be made aware.Totally uninspiring appointment but in its favour i think all the coaches together could work well with the players in good harmony

Every game is winnable. And losable. Clarke survived by winning a few easy to lose games. Early doors anyone can beat anyone really, it's when the table takes shape you know who you SHOULD be beating as it's relative on league position at that instant in time.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2014, 11:42:46 AM
Every game is winnable. And losable. Clarke survived by winning a few easy to lose games. Early doors anyone can beat anyone really, it's when the table takes shape you know who you SHOULD be beating as it's relative on league position at that instant in time.


i understand what you say but we do need to hit the ground running espescially with our run in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 30, 2014, 11:57:13 AM

i understand what you say but we do need to hit the ground running espescially with our run in

Oh definitely that's without a doubt. I'm just worried that 'winnable games' that we don't win will put unnecessary pressure on him when at the start of the season it's an 'even' playing field for about 10-11 clubs. Look at Southampton, absolutely battered them the season before last, lost first game of the season when it looked like we should have won it and they march on all season to finish 8th. Sure some teams pre- season last season saw us as a tough game because we finished 8th.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 30, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
We could lose the first four games and it would still be early days and no time to judge. If I recall we had a bad start in Hodgson's first season and finished 10th in the end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 30, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
We've hit 14-17 points in our opening ten games for the last four years. Then finished with a varying degree of success. Our worst haul from the opening five games has been 3 during that time, defeats to Man Utd and Chelsea were part of that but we finished 10th at the end of the season. Steve Clarke picked up 10 points in his first five games and took us to 8th.

So I think there's more of an importance over the first ten games and to immediately look at the sides we're up against. This year we take on four of the same teams we did last season. The only difference being Southampton are decimated, Everton are a far stronger team, Swansea have gone backwards and Sunderland are a Jekyll and Hyde.

We managed just five points from that lot (and Fulham away) which is simply unacceptable. Now this season we are undergoing our own transition which makes this 'easy' start to this season not quite so. That said though, if we are looking to set a benchmark then a figure of 8/9 points should be very realistic if we're looking to improve on last season. There's a real opportunity for us to make our best start to a Premiership campaign looking at the first ten fixtures. Unfortunately it goes hand in hand with having to gel a new squad, manager and way of playing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on July 30, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
the only thing is if we do start badly and people start to call for irvines departure we may as well stick with him because everytime we appoint a new head coach they're never the appointment the fans want in the first place.  so it'll start all over again. the only one i remember actually wanting was hodgson and somewere against that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
I think the point is that he WILL not be given ten games, whether he SHOULD be or not is another matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on July 30, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
Think you'll find he will be mate
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on July 30, 2014, 09:48:30 PM
I think the point is that he WILL not be given ten games, whether he SHOULD be or not is another matter.

He will 100% get ten games..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2014, 11:03:38 PM
He will 100% get ten games..

I mean from the fans not the club mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on July 30, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
I mean from the fans not the club mate.

O sorry, ye I understand what you mean.  If he loses his first two, the fans will be on his back big time. So important to get off to a good start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 31, 2014, 12:45:17 AM
O sorry, ye I understand what you mean.  If he loses his first two, the fans will be on his back big time. So important to get off to a good start.
No !! the fans who want to voice displeasure IF we lose those games will NOT be on Irvines back, they'll be on JP's back.................the buck stops with him, wasn't that his quote ? No point in booing Irvine, he wont be to blame, he didn't ask for the job, JP asked him remember !!??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2014, 01:05:27 AM
No !! the fans who want to voice displeasure IF we lose those games will NOT be on Irvines back, they'll be on JP's back.................the buck stops with him, wasn't that his quote ? No point in booing Irvine, he wont be to blame, he didn't ask for the job, JP asked him remember !!??

Logically yes but in reality it will be Irvine who gets the pelters. If we start badly he'll be put under severe pressure very early. We didn't want him and still don't. A couple of defeats from the first 3 games we'll be baying for blood.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 31, 2014, 01:23:08 AM
Logically yes but in reality it will be Irvine who gets the pelters. If we start badly he'll be put under severe pressure very early. We didn't want him and still don't. A couple of defeats from the first 3 games we'll be baying for blood.

Most Albion fans are prepared to give him a chance, even the ones who were originally calling him Alan F****************** Irvine, why can't you?   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 31, 2014, 02:28:24 AM
Most Albion fans are prepared to give him a chance, even the ones who were originally calling him Alan F****************** Irvine, why can't you?

We have a fantastic chance this summer, maybe a one off chance, to create a really exciting team. If Irvine ruins it I will not be a happy camper, it will take years to repair the damage. If he succeeds I can't complain can I?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2014, 03:06:23 AM
Most Albion fans are prepared to give him a chance, even the ones who were originally calling him Alan F****************** Irvine, why can't you?

Really? When did you poll all Albion fans?

You'll see how much of a chance he is given if things start badly mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 31, 2014, 07:30:53 AM
Really? When did you poll all Albion fans?

You'll see how much of a chance he is given if things start badly mate.

I didn't say ALL Albion fans, I think as you highlighted the word 'most' you would have realised that  ::) I was merely commenting on the change of tone in many (thats MANY, not to be confused with ALL) supporters opinions following the initial 'shock' of Irvines appointment, you were the one attempting to speak for all Albion fans with your "WE didn't want him & still don't" post.

Bit like your perpetual criticism of Dorrans (despite his form back end of the season) why can't you cut AI some slack?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on July 31, 2014, 07:59:09 AM
I think the common sense approach would be , the bloke has been given the job let's get behind him .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 31, 2014, 08:11:15 AM
Honestly can anyone see us having done this much positivity this summer with signings and an improved club camaraderie had motormouth Sherwood in charge?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on July 31, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
Honestly can anyone see us having done this much positivity this summer with signings and an improved club camaraderie had motormouth Sherwood in charge?

Splendid point. He is, I believe, a divisive character who really wouldn't have brought much positive to the club apart from perhaps as lightly higher profile with the London media.

Anyway, Irvine is here now for better or worse. We may as well back him, and the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on July 31, 2014, 10:38:58 AM
Honestly can anyone see us having done this much positivity this summer with signings and an improved club camaraderie had motormouth Sherwood in charge?

I would have to agree with that. Alan Irvine has more about him than Sherwood.
You can't really see AI naming and shaming players after a shocker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 31, 2014, 10:54:53 AM
I'd like to think our fans will support Irvine because the majority of Albion fans are not fickle and won't turn on him after three games. How about we support him like we did with Mel, we saw how much are support made a difference at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on July 31, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
Getting behind the team does make a difference no doubt whatsoever. The outpouring of emotion at the end of the West Ham game, showed how much people do care and the support carried the team through that match.

Like you say, let's have that from minute one against the Mackems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbambdj on July 31, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
I think he needs to get some more players in wheres brown not come from nigeria yet so he wont be match fit and the fullback seems far away its not going to give him a very good start
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on July 31, 2014, 11:47:39 AM
Without doubt there is degree of humility and honesty about Alan Irvine that could never have been forthcoming from Sherwood. I think this bodes well for us as a team and for us as supporters. (And yes i did say Alan)

I detect levels of admiration for what has been achieved by JP and the crew since our dog pooh of a season and the soap opera we became on and off the pitch last year.

Total hats off to JP, he was pooh and he admitted it and look how far we have come since May. I for one feel a level of confidence and above all integrity that has been restored at the club. I think Alan Irvine has contributed to that.

To be honest after following the ups and downs of the last 60 years , what matters to me above all else, above league position, is the heart and soul of our Club and the way we behave. For me its as more  about how we do, then  it is about what we do.

The Mirror and Mr Savage can go take a flying feck at themselves, we are the Albion, we are force to be reckoned with, we represent the grass roots of top flight football, we don't need  stupid money we don't need foreign investment.

I believe we are seeing a real sea change in our club, a change for the better, a change that we need to support , in the manner we always do....better then anyone else.

As a club, our pride and our self respect was taken away last year......my view is that its back. And God help anyone who tries to take it away this year....

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on July 31, 2014, 12:26:16 PM
Without doubt there is degree of humility and honesty about Alan Irvine that could never have been forthcoming from Sherwood. I think this bodes well for us as a team and for us as supporters. (And yes i did say Alan)

I detect levels of admiration for what has been achieved by JP and the crew since our dog poo of a season and the soap opera we became on and off the pitch last year.

Total hats off to JP, he was poo and he admitted it and look how far we have come since May. I for one feel a level of confidence and above all integrity that has been restored at the club. I think Alan Irvine has contributed to that.

To be honest after following the ups and downs of the last 60 years , what matters to me above all else, above league position, is the heart and soul of our Club and the way we behave. For me its as more  about how we do, then  it is about what we do.

The Mirror and Mr Savage can go take a flying feck at themselves, we are the Albion, we are force to be reckoned with, we represent the grass roots of top flight football, we don't need  stupid money we don't need foreign investment.

I believe we are seeing a real sea change in our club, a change for the better, a change that we need to support , in the manner we always do....better then anyone else.

As a club, our pride and our self respect was taken away last year......my view is that its back. And God help anyone who tries to take it away this year....

I really enjoy reading posts like this and the "Albion against the world" kind of theme.

I feel an increasing number of supporters tend to agree with these sentiments.

As always there will be some either online (not on this site particularly) or at the matches who attempt to belittle positive attitudes and fair enough, that's their opinion, though I honestly believe some are only content when they have something to moan about and take pleasure in sitting in their seats having a dig at various club personnel, and watching proceedings with a face like a slapped backside.

But we're a couple of weeks away from the big KO, and as far as I can see Peace has kept to his word (following his post season statement of intent on the Official Site) and we appear to have done some decent business in the transfer market.

The impression I get is everyone at the club is now singing off the same hymn sheet and that positive alone can't be underestimated when you are at a club whose resources are clearly towards the bottom end of the Premiership finance table.

Can't wait for the new season now and this Saturdays friendly at Forest and now feel relaxed about AI's appointment 

To "robnewbold" - great post mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2014, 12:37:53 PM
I didn't say ALL Albion fans, I think as you highlighted the word 'most' you would have realised that  ::) I was merely commenting on the change of tone in many (thats MANY, not to be confused with ALL) supporters opinions following the initial 'shock' of Irvines appointment, you were the one attempting to speak for all Albion fans with your "WE didn't want him & still don't" post.

Bit like your perpetual criticism of Dorrans (despite his form back end of the season) why can't you cut AI some slack?

You said most. The only way to determine if most people do something is to ask all the people? It's easy maths mate.

As to the we, just meant me and my old man who I go the game with. Cheers though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on July 31, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
I believe we are seeing a real sea change in our club, a change for the better, a change that we need to support , in the manner we always do....better then anyone else.

As a club, our pride and our self respect was taken away last year......my view is that its back. And God help anyone who tries to take it away this year....

Hurrah!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 31, 2014, 01:07:04 PM
No !! the fans who want to voice displeasure IF we lose those games will NOT be on Irvines back, they'll be on JP's back.................the buck stops with him, wasn't that his quote ? No point in booing Irvine, he wont be to blame, he didn't ask for the job, JP asked him remember !!??

And by the same token we can all hail and praise JP when we have a decent start to the season...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on July 31, 2014, 03:39:19 PM
I remember last year when going into t he start of the season people were stating that "we had the best squad ever in the prem, Anelka and the likes were "SPECIAL" etc". 1 Tipster even had us finishing 4th FFS!

I am just going to wait and see how it pans out!  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 31, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
You said most. The only way to determine if most people do something is to ask all the people? It's easy maths mate.

As to the we, just meant me and my old man who I go the game with. Cheers though.

Ohhhh.......you were using the singular 'we' as in you & your Dad, I mistakingly thought you were using the universal 'we' as in you & the rest of the Albion fans.

Please accept my apologies for the use of the word 'most', I obviously used it out of context  ;) I'll use 'some' next time which is actually an anagram of 'most', hows that? (DOH! my spelling's as bad as my maths)

Back on topic, any chance you could give Alan Irvine your support?  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 31, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
Without doubt there is degree of humility and honesty about Alan Irvine that could never have been forthcoming from Sherwood. I think this bodes well for us as a team and for us as supporters. (And yes i did say Alan)

I detect levels of admiration for what has been achieved by JP and the crew since our dog poo of a season and the soap opera we became on and off the pitch last year.

Total hats off to JP, he was poo and he admitted it and look how far we have come since May. I for one feel a level of confidence and above all integrity that has been restored at the club. I think Alan Irvine has contributed to that.

To be honest after following the ups and downs of the last 60 years , what matters to me above all else, above league position, is the heart and soul of our Club and the way we behave. For me its as more  about how we do, then  it is about what we do.

The Mirror and Mr Savage can go take a flying feck at themselves, we are the Albion, we are force to be reckoned with, we represent the grass roots of top flight football, we don't need  stupid money we don't need foreign investment.

I believe we are seeing a real sea change in our club, a change for the better, a change that we need to support , in the manner we always do....better then anyone else.

As a club, our pride and our self respect was taken away last year......my view is that its back. And God help anyone who tries to take it away this year....

Nice post Rob  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 31, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
It's way too early to say we are vindicated after last season's flop:

We have a new head coach that is not only unproven at our level, but a known failure at lower levels. That doesn't mean he is guaranteed to fail at our level but it doesn't exactly point to a bright future necessarily.

We have still don't have a complete team.  Unless we are prepared to accept another season of struggle our remaining incoming recruits, preferrable at least two of them, need to be a significant step up in talent and quality to what we have ie cutting edge talent which we have lacked for some time. Brown may be promising but he could as easily be a flop as a success. Our Costa Rican defender has so far only joined on paper and it may be that we won't get him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 31, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
It's way too early to say we are vindicated after last season's flop:

We have a new head coach that is not only unproven at our level, but a known failure at lower levels. That doesn't mean he is guaranteed to fail at our level but it doesn't exactly point to a bright future necessarily.

We have still don't have a complete team.  Unless we are prepared to accept another season of struggle our remaining incoming recruits, preferrable at least two of them, need to be a significant step up in talent and quality to what we have ie cutting edge talent which we have lacked for some time. Brown may be promising but he could as easily be a flop as a success. Our Costa Rican defender has so far only joined on paper and it may be that we won't get him.
What's to say we won't sign a winger and another striker by the 16th, have a little faith I think Brown and Lescott are massive step ups in quality as is our fullbacks compared to last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Political Cake on July 31, 2014, 08:47:51 PM
If we start badly he'll be put under severe pressure very early. We didn't want him and still don't.
As to the we, just meant me and my old man who I go the game with.

We best hope the both of you don't start badly then! ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
We best hope the both of you don't start badly then! ;D

Ahh well played sir...  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 31, 2014, 09:08:27 PM
What's to say we won't sign a winger and another striker by the 16th, have a little faith I think Brown and Lescott are massive step ups in quality as is our fullbacks compared to last season.

Our fb's definitely need to be much better this season that last and I do hope we get a good winger and striker in. But I will simply wait until the end of the window to see what we have achieved - I'm not getting my hopes up but we do look much more active in a positive way this summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 31, 2014, 09:12:46 PM
A poor start and a dozen or so people on here will bust a few blood vessels but in the real world they represent a minority of the support who attend the games and history shows that the majority of our support are realistic in their expectations and would need some sort of major disaster to enrage them. Last year was not great but was still no disaster and we appear to be moving back in the direction of continual improvement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Cantello on July 31, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
I'd like to think our fans will support Irvine because the majority of Albion fans are not fickle and won't turn on him after three games. How about we support him like we did with Mel, we saw how much are support made a difference at the end of last season.

Couldn't put it better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
I will give the bloke 10 games if we aint won one by then before i show any sort of frustration.Lets be honest the bloke should not be in this job. If we dont hit the ground running with our late run in its going to be another difficult season. Peace had enough time to get this right.Lets hope he is proved right and put us doubters in our place.If i see the will by the players to want to play football on the field of play then i will be content.I will not be happy with must not loose football at home
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
oh and i think most of us got behind Mel because of his football phylosophy intent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 01, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
Irvine's detractors usually justify their positions by pointing to his CV -- specifically, to his two previous managerial positions.

Here are the records for Irvine and the managers who preceded and followed him ("pct" is the percentage of points gained from points possible):

Preston North End (Championship)                            per game
                                 W  D  L pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Paul Simpson (6/6 to 7/11)      25 14 23  89 .478  79  73  1.27 1.18
Alan Irvine (7/11 to 9/12)      40 24 35 144 .485 127 119  1.28 1.20
Darren Ferguson (10/1 to 10/12) 16 19 34  67 .324  86 123  1.25 1.78

Looks fairly ordinary to me -- not a smashing success, but certainly not a failure. Obviously they started leaking goals when he left.

His time at Sheffield Wednesday was half a season in the Championship and half a season in League One, so looking at those two seasons (same leagues, same durations):

2009/10 Sheffield Wednesday (Championship)             per game
                           W  D  L  pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Brian Laws (sacked 13/12)  4  6 11   18 .286  23  35  1.10 1.67
Alan Irvine (hired 8/1)    7  7  9   28 .406  24  30  1.04 1.30

2010/11 Sheffield Wednesday (League One)               per game
                           W  D  L  pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Alan Irvine (sacked 3/2)  10  5 11   35 .449  41  35  1.58 1.35
Gary Megson (hired 4/2)    6  5  9   23 .383  26  32  1.30 1.60

Am I missing something? This isn't exactly the colossal failure I keep reading about.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 01, 2014, 10:39:33 AM
Hardly successful either though. Two of the 'bigger' teams in that league who were expected to be promoted.


He failed in League 1. Shouldn't be anywhere near our job.


Peace is making some big moves this summer and he seems to be getting them right apart from this one. Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 10:43:30 AM
Irvine's detractors usually justify their positions by pointing to his CV -- specifically, to his two previous managerial positions.

Here are the records for Irvine and the managers who preceded and followed him ("pct" is the percentage of points gained from points possible):

Preston North End (Championship)                            per game
                                 W  D  L pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Paul Simpson (6/06 to 11/07)    25 14 23  89 .478  79  73  1.27 1.18
Alan Irvine (11/07 to 12/09)    40 24 35 144 .485 127 119  1.28 1.20
Darren Ferguson (1/10 to 12/10) 16 19 34  67 .324  86 123  1.25 1.78

Looks fairly ordinary to me -- not a smashing success, but certainly not a failure. Obviously they started leaking goals when he left.

His time at Sheffield Wednesday was half a season in the Championship and half a season in League One, so looking at those two seasons (same leagues, same durations):

2009/10 Sheffield Wednesday (Championship)             per game
                           W  D  L  pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Brian Laws (sacked 13/12)  4  6 11   18 .286  23  35  1.10 1.67
Alan Irvine (hired 8/1)    7  7  9   28 .406  24  30  1.04 1.30

2010/11 Sheffield Wednesday (League One)               per game
                           W  D  L  pts  pct  GF  GA   GF   GA

Alan Irvine (sacked 3/2)  10  5 11   35 .449  41  35  1.58 1.35
Gary Megson (hired 4/2)    6  5  9   23 .383  26  32  1.30 1.60

Am I missing something? This isn't exactly the colossal failure I keep reading about.



like i say lets see the style of football he brings to the table
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2014, 10:45:31 AM
oh and i think most of us got behind Mel because of his football phylosophy intent.

The only games we saw with us trying to play his high pressing philosophy we looked doomed. Virtually none of our players suited the way he wanted to play so we reverted to a more tried and tested approach to give us a chance of staying up and quite frankly we got a little lucky.

All Mel did was help galvanise us fans, We were turning on players and coaches and he was someone we all got behind. Looking back I think it was the right thing for the club and Mel himself to go our separate ways but I don't think you will find one person who would have chosen Irvine even though from a coaching stand point it makes perfect sense but from an actual management standpoint it makes no sense given his record.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 01, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
He wasn't a failure at Preston. They were in the relegation zone in the Championship when he took over and he steered them to 15th. The next season they were in the play offs. The season after they went on a bad run and he was sacked. I don't think a bad run of games means he was a failure, he had a decent record.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 01, 2014, 11:14:32 AM
Hardly successful either though. Two of the 'bigger' teams in that league who were expected to be promoted.


He failed in League 1. Shouldn't be anywhere near our job.


Peace is making some big moves this summer and he seems to be getting them right apart from this one. Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong.
I didn't say he was a great success, but Sheffield Wednesday were on the verge of being wound up in the last half of 2010. Using those 26 games in League One to discard him as unqualified seems quite unreasonable.




like i say lets see the style of football he brings to the table
Looking at those numbers, I'd expect a return to very conservative, unentertaining football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 01, 2014, 11:35:17 AM
The only games we saw with us trying to play his high pressing philosophy we looked doomed. Virtually none of our players suited the way he wanted to play so we reverted to a more tried and tested approach to give us a chance of staying up and quite frankly we got a little lucky.

All Mel did was help galvanise us fans, We were turning on players and coaches and he was someone we all got behind. Looking back I think it was the right thing for the club and Mel himself to go our separate ways but I don't think you will find one person who would have chosen Irvine even though from a coaching stand point it makes perfect sense but from an actual management standpoint it makes no sense given his record.
please tell me how it makes perfect sense?'He has never been in charge of a Premier league team and he hasnt been in charge at first team level for a number of years sorry i just dont understand the appointment and doubt i ever will. Just a thought but the same week we appointed Irvine Brighton appointed Hyppia,who hadnt coached but had played at premier league level and had done pretty well in his Bundesliga job,now that appointment i may just have got my head round!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 01, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
I honestly can't understand why this thread is still open . Alan Irvine applied for a job and got it . His track record isn't important now is it . He has got the job and there is no mileage in moaning . True fans should now get behind him , the club and the players . Moral of the story is moan about things you can change . I hope he does well and in 12 months time all the negative moaners have been proved wrong .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 11:52:28 AM
I admire your support for him Legend but there is now way he is qualified to be head coach of West Bromwich Albion.I hope he does well because he comes accross alot better than Clarke or Mel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on August 01, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
I admire your support for him Legend but there is now way he is qualified to be head coach of West Bromwich Albion.I hope he does well because he comes accross alot better than Clarke or Mel
How do you know he's not qualified?.........you're qualified to offer an opinion it seems
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
How do you know he's not qualified?.........you're qualified to offer an opinion it seems


Ok then Qualifed for us but not qualified for another premier league club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 01, 2014, 11:59:10 AM
I honestly can't understand why this thread is still open . Alan Irvine applied for a job and got it . His track record isn't important now is it . He has got the job and there is no mileage in moaning . True fans should now get behind him , the club and the players . Moral of the story is moan about things you can change . I hope he does well and in 12 months time all the negative moaners have been proved wrong .

He didn't apply for it he was approached about the job. Take from that what you will but there was a very deliberate choice to bring him into the managerial search - namely that Irvine probably didn't think about applying anyway, and that the powers that be obviously rate him. This was never a 'second best choice'. In fact I'd suggest that Sherwood applied, impressed and was a surprise good second runner to a candidate the club had already picked out.

And to add on to comments made about his qualifications need to also consider that the alternative was someone without the necessary coaching qualifications for the league we play in. Like it or not, Irvine was the more qualified candidate and one who would allow the club to do the transfer business it's done so far. Notice how there's no more talk of 'who will want to play under Alan Irvine'?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 01, 2014, 12:14:53 PM
I agree . But this is all conjecture and froth . Very much like the masses who we're going to return there season tickets . Judge somebody after the event is my main point . Hopefully there is an air of enthusiasm around the club after last years failings . For what it's worth no one knew alan ashman in 1967 and when big Ron came in 1979 we all said who's this . GIVE THE BLOKE A CHANCE .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2014, 03:16:07 PM
please tell me how it makes perfect sense?'He has never been in charge of a Premier league team and he hasnt been in charge at first team level for a number of years sorry i just dont understand the appointment and doubt i ever will. Just a thought but the same week we appointed Irvine Brighton appointed Hyppia,who hadnt coached but had played at premier league level and had done pretty well in his Bundesliga job,now that appointment i may just have got my head round!

In a similar way to Clarke making sense at the time. We have a head coach role with the onus on coaching, from everything I have heard about Irvine he is a very good coach that the players really take to. Clarke had experience at the top level as an assistant but was renowned for his coaching ability and quite frankly for a good while he did a very good job.  As I also said it makes no sense from a previous experience point of view, he didn't do badly at Preston for a while but everything else he has done has to go down as a failure.

Do we need to understand the appointment? Surely the proof will be in the pudding as they say.  I've said it from the day he was appointed, I'm willing to give Irvine a fair chance and that isn't just a handful of games like others would give him but he was nowhere near the list of possibles for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
Sorry but what is a TRUE fan? We're all just fans. Whatever views we hold Charliemike.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on August 07, 2014, 10:53:39 AM
Gone up to 12s now to be first sacked surely worth a tenner or so from an outsiders point of view.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 10, 2014, 10:22:57 AM
Don't like to be doom and gloomy but we will be in the bottom two at Christmas.

We haven't a prayer with Irvine, sorry.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2014, 10:42:09 AM
From several comments he's made since his arrival, the approach he used at Preston and Sheff Wed, where he analyses the opposition to the N-th degree and then attempts to come up with a plan to combat them, still seems to be prevalent. There's certainly a danger that, if you obsess over how setting yourself up to stop the opposition from playing, you end up stopping yourself from playing as well.

I'd also be hearing things like "we'll be trying to give everyone we play a good game", rather than defeatist stuff like "we won't be playing teams as good as them every week".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 10, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
The only thing that may save Irvine from an early bath is i see his appointment as very much being Peace driven and JP will not want to admit to having got it wrong and may therfore bite the bullet for longer than is his norm. On a personal level i hope if as i expect things are going wrong very quickly he gets rid sharpish and doesnt linger on the trigger >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 10, 2014, 12:00:42 PM
I think no matter what happens AI will NOT get a decent chance here from the fans. From day 1 he has not won more than 30% of the fans over as "they" dont see him as good enough.

I am happy to say that I am in the 70% bracket and he SHOULD NEVER have been given this chance at our prestigious club! JP is the bloke that needs convincing though and not me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on August 10, 2014, 12:14:39 PM
I think no matter what happens AI will NOT get a decent chance here from the fans. From day 1 he has not won more than 30% of the fans over as "they" dont see him as good enough.

I am happy to say that I am in the 70% bracket and he SHOULD NEVER have been given this chance at our prestigious club! JP is the bloke that needs convincing though and not me!

if we win our first 6, and are playing attacking, entertaining football , with organised solid defensive displays, I'll give him a chance  :)

sadly , i made my feelings known when he was appointed, and the scenario I paint above is as likely as Steve Bull getting a PhD.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 10, 2014, 12:16:47 PM
if we win our first 6, and are playing attacking, entertaining football , with organised solid defensive displays, I'll give him a chance  :)

sadly , i made my feelings known when he was appointed, and the scenario I paint above is as likely as Steve Bull getting a PhD.
If he studied YAM YAM he may just............. The top one however!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
Here we go yet again with you. You say Irvine is out of his depth before the season has started and saying give it to Downing ? Didn't you say in pre season if Downing gets the job you wouldn't renew ?

Like I said you have no backbone.


laugh out loud
Yes i didnt want Downing but he is most definitely a better option than a failed league one coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 10, 2014, 12:34:02 PM
Ted is totally out of his depth.Just give it to Downing
All part of the grand plan perhaps ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 10, 2014, 01:14:59 PM

laugh out loud
Yes i didnt want Downing but he is most definitely a better option than a failed league one coach

How do you know this? He's had a poor pre-season, managers thankfully aren't judged on friendly's. Let him kick a league football before you criticise him. I agree the appointment is questionable at best but give the bloke a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2014, 01:28:10 PM
It is a shocking appointment IMO but I do feel a bit sorry for him. He's got a disjointed squad with big holes in it. Most managers would struggle here at the moment. We are desperate for some quality.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 10, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
It is a shocking appointment IMO but I do feel a bit sorry for him. He's got a disjointed squad with big holes in it. Most managers would struggle here at the moment. We are desperate for some quality.

I feel sorry for him as well. He hasn't got much to work with and has walked right into a club in disarray.

Clearly the wrong bloke for the job (as was Pepe Mel) but it's worth remembering that Irvine didn't apply for this job, we approached him!

He's got the full season as far as i'm concerned. If things go pair shaped then so be it. It's others that should be held accountable not him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
Agree it's not his fault, but blame is irrelevant really, truth is we are up the creek and unless the new signings (if they ever actually play) are a real revelation we are facing a tougher season than last with a manager who appears to still be flogging the dead horse tactics that failed him two divisions below.
Whatever will be will be, but it does not bode well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 10, 2014, 09:21:40 PM
Well AI, I hope you prove all us doubter's wrong in the signing of you has our new head coach & do a good job at the Albion. Here's to a successful season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B714LF on August 10, 2014, 09:24:33 PM
His fault or not Is  as you say irrelevant. It is however his responsibility. If we do well he takes the credit and if we do badly he's becomes the fall guy! I don't feel for him one bit he has an opportunity that many managers would give their right arm for and is going in with his eyes open.

I wish him well but we start badly he's going to get it. He had to know this us how it is!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:55 PM
It is absolutely vital that we pick up several points in the first month or so when we steer clear of the top six teams. If not we will be deep in the mire with or without Irvine. My fingers are crossed that Irvine will prove us doubters wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 10, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
It is absolutely vital that we pick up several points in the first month or so when we steer clear of the top six teams. If not we will be deep in the mire with or without Irvine. My fingers are crossed that Irvine will prove us doubters wrong.

After the first 6 games we will know for sure whether we will be going down, it will depend on how long JP keeps AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2014, 10:23:18 PM
Just a question about the "Irvine is a very good coach and the players like him" comment that keeps being repeated - how would people expect this to be manifested in what the players do on the pitch? Should they play better? Be more tactically astute? Be more organised? Be mentally tougher? Be more determined?

What should we expect to see, because then we can watch out for it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on August 10, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
Seems to me that as long as the players are happy and not being hassled too much then they might put a decent shift in?   ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
I'll give anyone a chance regardless of whether for me personally I think its the right choice but I fear for us this season. By the end of September we will have played 6 games, 4 of those need to be targeted for victories (Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea, Burnley) with the other 2 (Everton & Spurs) aiming for a minimum of a point. If we can get 9 points then maybe it will set us on our way and we as fans can relax a bit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 11, 2014, 06:05:34 AM
This appointment is do deflating I am dreading the new season, not felt like this since Bobby Gould was in charge as we all know what happened then!  I cant see anything other than a home defeat on Sunday, 0-2 is a good shout. Oh how I would love to be wrong, but this is the real world.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wappingbaggie on August 11, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
me too mate - I can already feel my stomach churning over as I wait to see the result of that Sunderland match - hoping for the best but sadly expecting the worst, (with even worse to follow).

JP has made a decision NONE of us understand - lets hope it turns out to be inspired rather than mental. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 06:43:38 AM

I, like others, have tried to support Alan Irvine although I thought from the outset that it was a ridiculous appointment.

Yes, Irvine has had to deal with injuries but there is no method, no pace, no idea and the defending is pathetic.

The team looks devoid of ideas and the books stops with the coaching staff.

What worries me is that JP will give Irvine at least 10 games so that people can't say 'I told you so' if he were to sack him after four or five.

Irvine is a good coach, of that I've no doubt.

West Bromwich Albion 'Manager'? Nah not for me, thank you.........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2014, 07:22:16 AM
I, like others, have tried to support Alan Irvine although I thought from the outset that it was a ridiculous appointment.

Yes, Irvine has had to deal with injuries but there is no method, no pace, no idea and the defending is pathetic.

The team looks devoid of ideas and the books stops with the coaching staff.

What worries me is that JP will give Irvine at least 10 games so that people can't say 'I told you so' if he were to sack him after four or five.

Irvine is a good coach, of that I've no doubt.

West Bromwich Albion 'Manager'? Nah not for me, thank you.........

We haven't had a 'Manager' since Tony Mowbray.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 07:30:47 AM
We haven't had a 'Manager' since Tony Mowbray.

Exactly my point.

Although we appoint Head Coaches, you still need somebody who's going to make managerial decisions at crucial times.

I'm not interested how good a coach he is, we already know that.

I want to know if he'll be able to make the BIG decisions on a Saturday afternoon where his coaching methods/skills count for very little.

Invariably, thus far, I believe the answer to that will be no.

Roy H was head coach, but was a Manger in the past and knew exactly what was required when things were going wrong.

You can't keep appointing 'Number 2' type coaches. It simply doesn't work. That's the point I'm making.

Agree????
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2014, 07:42:05 AM
Exactly my point.

Although we appoint Head Coaches, you still need somebody who's going to make managerial decisions at crucial times.

I'm not interested how good a coach he is, we already know that.

I want to know if he'll be able to make the BIG decisions on a Saturday afternoon where his coaching methods/skills count for very little.

Invariably, thus far, I believe the answer to that will be no.

Roy H was head coach, but was a Manger in the past and knew exactly what was required when things were going wrong.

You can't keep appointing 'Number 2' type coaches. It simply doesn't work. That's the point I'm making.

Agree????

You were implying that Irvine is Manager though by saying 'West Bromwich Albion Managed, nah not for me'

Like it or not, there aren't many 'Managers' out there that want to or would fit into our 'Head Coach' system. Hodgson fit the system because he had to repair his CV after the dismal Liverpool stint.

The Manager position is split into 3 at the Albion, Burton and Garlick do 2/3's and Irvine does 1/3. That leaves Irvine time to ponder about those big decisions.

I'm not an Irvine fan at all but think you aren't completely clear on the current system at the Albion.

Who in your opinion would fit into our system then? Who would have been your choice?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 11, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
Manager or Head Coach, doesn't really matter. AI picks the team and is therefore responsible for the players, formations and results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 11, 2014, 08:02:29 AM
Too much made of the head coach/manager differential . If you read Redknapps book for example he says how little outside of players and playing matters managers get involved with these days compared to earlier in his career. To me head coach is a bit of a cop out and the very name of the title would seem to dilute authority.
          Whichever way you dress it up i believe Irvine to be a very poor appointment.The minimum i would expect to see from his teams in pre season is good defensive organisation, by all accounts there has been little sign of this having been unable to keep clean sheets against even the most moderate of opposition >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2014, 08:02:34 AM
Manager or Head Coach, doesn't really matter. AI picks the team and is therefore responsible for the players, formations and results.

It does matter though:

A Manager runs the club from top to bottom, puts in his own scouting network, manages the budget and everything.

A Head Coach tells Burton where he feels the squad is lacking, the player database is then referred to. Head Coach has no say on where the money goes, doesn't have a scouting team, can't bring in his own staff. The Head Coach just trains and picks the team.

The sooner everyone knows the difference between the two roles the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 08:17:03 AM
It does matter though:

A Manager runs the club from top to bottom, puts in his own scouting network, manages the budget and everything.

A Head Coach tells Burton where he feels the squad is lacking, the player database is then referred to. Head Coach has no say on where the money goes, doesn't have a scouting team, can't bring in his own staff. The Head Coach just trains and picks the team.

The sooner everyone knows the difference between the two roles the better.

I do know the difference - I'm saying that when those players cross the white line, he holds the same responsiblities as a proper designated 'Manager'.

If thats not the case, then me or you may as well do it because nobody will be responsible for anything.

Burton/Garlick/Day/Irvine and the likes will blame each other.

Irvine proved that with the 'I didn't see Ideye aside from a DVD' quote.

That translates to 'If Ideye is s**t, don't blame me'.

Ridiculous model to work in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2014, 08:23:12 AM
I do know the difference - I'm saying that when those players cross the white line, he holds the same responsiblities as a proper designated 'Manager'.

If thats not the case, then me or you may as well do it because nobody will be responsible for anything.

Burton/Garlick/Day/Irvine and the likes will blame each other.

Irvine proved that with the 'I didn't see Ideye aside from a DVD' quote.

That translates to 'If Ideye is s**t, don't blame me'.

Ridiculous model to work in.

I said that a few months ago to be honest. Theres too many chiefs, we need someone out there to call the shots. There doesnt seem to be any ownership overall with clear authority because the role of Manager has been watered down.

If a player is out of line, who gives him a rollocking? Irvine? Then what if Burton gets called in and agrees with the player?

As you say, it's ridiculous. However, it is what it is and that is why people need to get their head around the different roles.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
I said that a few months ago to be honest. Theres too many chiefs, we need someone out there to call the shots. There doesnt seem to be any ownership overall with clear authority because the role of Manager has been watered down.

If a player is out of line, who gives him a rollocking? Irvine? Then what if Burton gets called in and agrees with the player?

As you say, it's ridiculous. However, it is what it is and that is why people need to get their head around the different roles.

100% agree mate. Clarity is important in any business.

Even more so with so much spotlight and focus from the outside like in football.

Burton seems to have moved himself out of the spotlight somewhat in the past three weeks (in fact, since Mervyn Day was appointed). I don't know if anybody else has noticed this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on August 11, 2014, 08:35:08 AM
I do feel for him but i am dreading Saturday.I cant see the atmosphere being positive.Its not his fault but he shouldnt have been appointed.Like before too many square pegs and all that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
I, like others, have tried to support Alan Irvine although I thought from the outset that it was a ridiculous appointment.

Yes, Irvine has had to deal with injuries but there is no method, no pace, no idea and the defending is pathetic.

The team looks devoid of ideas and the books stops with the coaching staff.

What worries me is that JP will give Irvine at least 10 games so that people can't say 'I told you so' if he were to sack him after four or five.

Irvine is a good coach, of that I've no doubt.

West Bromwich Albion 'Manager'? Nah not for me, thank you.........

Eh? You haven't tried to support him at all. The season hasn't even started and you're posting this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 08:53:13 AM
Eh? You haven't tried to support him at all. The season hasn't even started and your posting this.

Oh so you think everything is ok do you?

I hope I'm proved wrong but if the past three games are anything to go by, next Saturday is going to be a laugh.....for all the wrong reasons!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 08:55:04 AM
Oh so you think everything is ok do you?

I hope I'm proved wrong but if the past three games are anything to go by, next Saturday is going to be a laugh.....for all the wrong reasons!!

Well i'd at least wait until the season, y'know, actually starts.

Also worth noting that every single one of your posts is about Irvine (negatively) which is in itself quite odd given your apparent efforts to support him.

It seems to me there's a significant section of the support desperate for him to fail just because they so desperately want to be able to say "I told you so". Notably usually the same people who refuse to give any credit at all to Clarke but thought Mel was a saviour.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on August 11, 2014, 08:59:34 AM
Well i'd at least wait until the season, y'know, actually starts.

Also worth noting that every single one of your posts is about Irvine (negatively) which is in itself quite odd given your apparent efforts to support him.

All of my posts are not all directed at Alan Irvine at all - there are other names on there that I've mentioned.

As for supporting him, AI will get every bit of support from me this Saturday and beyond.

If he gets things wrong, I will say so - like he already has done.

Why say 4 weeks ago 3-52 was the best formation then play a flat back four in every game since.

And don't even say about injuries. Baird/Wisdom/O'Neil/Olsson and Dawson are all available to try and work on the shape.

Has he done it? No.

I do feel for AI in some respects but I won't accept people blindly defending him out of sympathy.

He gets paid and paid very well. Therefore he needs to be getting the big decisions right accordingly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
All of my posts are not all directed at Alan Irvine at all - there are other names on there that I've mentioned.

As for supporting him, AI will get every bit of support from me this Saturday and beyond.

If he gets things wrong, I will say so - like he already has done.

Why say 4 weeks ago 3-52 was the best formation then play a flat back four in every game since.

And don't even say about injuries. Baird/Wisdom/O'Neil/Olsson and Dawson are all available to try and work on the shape.

Has he done it? No.

I do feel for AI in some respects but I won't accept people blindly defending him out of sympathy.

He gets paid and paid very well. Therefore he needs to be getting the big decisions right accordingly.

He didn't say 3-5-2 was our best formation at all. He was clearly asked if he'd use it and just said on occassions we might.

And again, friendlies, not a big deal, not a deal at all actually. As close to irrelevant as results and performances get. Though with each passing season the importance of friendlies seems to increase to fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 11, 2014, 09:42:15 AM
Pre season matches are there for a reason. They help teams with fitness and they should also be used for sorting out formations e.g who marks who and where at set pieces. Much better to do this in a competitive environment rather than just on a practice pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 11, 2014, 09:56:32 AM
On a slightly different tack.  Accepting that friendlies are ultimately meaningless, that we have injuries and that some players have yet to appear for various other issues such as work permits and visas.  Accepting also that (we hope) there will be more signings.

Given the above, has anyone so far seen any signs of a positive impact of AI's coaching on players, organisation, tactics etc.  Personally, I can't see any signs so far.  Dawson, in particular, seems to have gone backwards, and given his wish to go to Burnley or whoever, the sooner he is offloaded (something which a few weeks ago I would have resisted)

I am not expecting miracles at the moment - but has anyone seen any positives?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 11, 2014, 09:58:16 AM
He didn't say 3-5-2 was our best formation at all. He was clearly asked if he'd use it and just said on occassions we might.

And again, friendlies, not a big deal, not a deal at all actually. As close to irrelevant as results and performances get. Though with each passing season the importance of friendlies seems to increase to fans.
If this is true Dan, why have them in the first place?

They are important to help a team gel, get back to match fitness, trial "squad" players and prepare for the up and coming season!  You would expect to see improvement throughout the games played.

OF COURSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT!   ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2014, 09:59:58 AM
Too much made of the head coach/manager differential . If you read Redknapps book for example he says how little outside of players and playing matters managers get involved with these days compared to earlier in his career. To me head coach is a bit of a cop out and the very name of the title would seem to dilute authority.
          Whichever way you dress it up i believe Irvine to be a very poor appointment.The minimum i would expect to see from his teams in pre season is good defensive organisation, by all accounts there has been little sign of this having been unable to keep clean sheets against even the most moderate of opposition >:(
Redknapp wrote a book?  I thought he stated in court he couldn't write a cheque.  I think you have been done. :P

Head coach is not a cop out but defines his area of responsibility.  The suggestion appears to be that only one individual is to blame if things go wrong or can take the credit when it goes well.  Football is a team game on and off the pitch. Last year we disappointed in a number of areas and a number of people paid the price.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 11, 2014, 10:05:00 AM
If this is true Dan, why have them in the first place?

They are important to help a team gel, get back to match fitness, trial "squad" players and prepare for the up and coming season!  You would expect to see improvement throughout the games played.

OF COURSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT!   ???

The games are important,  the results aren't necessarily. I have no doubt that things will have been learned from the games we have played to date and things will be better for them. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnny Cash on August 11, 2014, 10:12:54 AM
I keep hearing that you cannot read to much in to friendlies and I would go along with that if we were playing well and winning. You shouldn't take to much from winning friendlies as players should be fresh, there is normally a gulf in quality and you cannot replicate the atmosphere in a competitive game.

I don't think its the same when you are losing and playing so badly though against the same lesser sides (bar Porto). I don't see how you will get or can even expect a sudden improvement.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 11, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
It does matter though:

A Manager runs the club from top to bottom, puts in his own scouting network, manages the budget and everything.

A Head Coach tells Burton where he feels the squad is lacking, the player database is then referred to. Head Coach has no say on where the money goes, doesn't have a scouting team, can't bring in his own staff. The Head Coach just trains and picks the team.

The sooner everyone knows the difference between the two roles the better.

All that matters to us and what we are saying is, he picks the team, he coaches the team and he sorts the tactics out. He is responsible for what happens on the pitch. I'm sure we are all aware of the set up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BRIAN on August 11, 2014, 10:25:52 AM
Harry had a ghost writer. A very good book that all you miserable buggers should read. It shows that running a football club is far from easy as you all think it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2014, 11:04:05 AM
Friendlies should be about fitness, formation and confidence, I fail to see how we have gained any of these from the dire performances (not results) we have seen thus far or how 7 days will now change anything.
Regardless of new signings, 2 of which are not yet even in the country, the line up on Saturday will be very similar to Porto and they were awful, tired (by Ollsen's own admission) and devoid of ideas or confidence. What will change between now and Saturday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on August 11, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
Friendlies should be about fitness, formation and confidence, I fail to see how we have gained any of these from the dire performances (not results) we have seen thus far or how 7 days will now change anything.
Regardless of new signings, 2 of which are not yet even in the country, the line up on Saturday will be very similar to Porto and they were awful, tired (by Ollsen's own admission) and devoid of ideas or confidence. What will change between now and Saturday?


Tired :) maybe they need a break to rest their heavy legs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 11, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
It does matter though:

A Manager runs the club from top to bottom, puts in his own scouting network, manages the budget and everything.

A Head Coach tells Burton where he feels the squad is lacking, the player database is then referred to. Head Coach has no say on where the money goes, doesn't have a scouting team, can't bring in his own staff. The Head Coach just trains and picks the team.

The sooner everyone knows the difference between the two roles the better.

do you actually believe that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 11, 2014, 11:39:17 AM
do you actually believe that?

Got no reason to disbelieve. What are Irvine, Burton and Garlick doing otherwise?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 11, 2014, 12:00:39 PM
well Garlick is doing nowt but legal stuff now and got blamed for most of Clarke and McDonohugh (or however you spell it  :) ) when he didn't have a lot to do with the picking of players, TB is doing a bit more of what Ashworth did and Day is an addition,

but trust me the Head Coach does have a say, i think the thing is how much
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
well Garlick is doing nowt but legal stuff now and got blamed for most of Clarke and McDonohugh (or however you spell it  :) ) when he didn't have a lot to do with the picking of players, TB is doing a bit more of what Ashworth did and Day is an addition,

but trust me the Head Coach does have a say, i think the thing is how much
Whatever the ins and outs Irvine is responsible for picking the team, formation and motivation. Pre season has shown no sign whatsoever that he has had any impact with regard to either of these elements.
Don't get me wrong, I do not want him to fail, I want more than anything for him to be the next Atkinson, unfortunately at present he seems to be living up to his CV.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on August 11, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
The Jury has been chosen, but not entered the courtroom yet. Its a bit premature to pass sentence yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2014, 01:01:44 PM
The Jury has been chosen, but not entered the courtroom yet. Its a bit premature to pass sentence yet.
What is the case for the defence?
What positives can we take from our pre-season performances?
I want to be upbeat I really do and when I take my seat on Saturday I want nothing more than to shout from the rafters and cheer us to victory.
Give me something, anything!!  :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on August 11, 2014, 01:25:40 PM
What is the case for the defence?
What positives can we take from our pre-season performances?
I want to be upbeat I really do and when I take my seat on Saturday I want nothing more than to shout from the rafters and cheer us to victory.
Give me something, anything!!  :'(

no case for the defence required as yet, the offences have not been read to the court.

saturday 17:00 is when the court convenes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 11, 2014, 01:27:21 PM
What is the case for the defence?
What positives can we take from our pre-season performances?
I want to be upbeat I really do and when I take my seat on Saturday I want nothing more than to shout from the rafters and cheer us to victory.
Give me something, anything!!  :'(

Here is something. West Ham's best ever pre-season was under Avram Grant when they finished bottom, they won every pre-season game. This season, they, Swansea and ourselves have all been boo'd during pre-season due to poor results. Do I think West Ham or Swansea will go down? Probably not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2014, 01:30:25 PM
I never wanted Irvine , I haven't been impressed with Pre season but that said i think we need to pull together the best we can and get behind them from the off . Lets face it the Press , Sky and others are waiting in the shadows to stick the knife into our club . Nothings easy in the top flight and it's possible to get into a crisis within three games , I'd argue us the fans played a major part in staying up last year and I'd suggest we will be needed again starting Saturday .
Give Irvine a chance , let those new players feature and get behind them the best we can .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 11, 2014, 01:37:36 PM
I never wanted Irvine , I haven't been impressed with Pre season but that said i think we need to pull together the best we can and get behind them from the off . Lets face it the Press , Sky and others are waiting in the shadows to stick the knife into our club . Nothings easy in the top flight and it's possible to get into a crisis within three games , I'd argue us the fans played a major part in staying up last year and I'd suggest we will be needed again starting Saturday .
Give Irvine a chance , let those new players feature and get behind them the best we can .

Couldn't have put it better. I think the majority don't believe he's good enough, myself included but that's no excuse not to back the player. Unlike last season I think this years crop are genuinely out to play for the badge which if nothing else is worth a cheer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
no case for the defence required as yet, the offences have not been read to the court.

saturday 17:00 is when the court convenes.
I know that, what I asked for was something positive to take to my seat at 15:00 on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2014, 02:07:08 PM
I dont know about a Jury, a priest might be more appropriate.Get your prayer mats out folks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on August 11, 2014, 02:22:20 PM
I dont know about a Jury, a priest might be more appropriate.Get your prayer mats out folks

There will be a priest sitting on our bench - Father Ted lookalike Alan Irvine ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
There will be a priest sitting on our bench - Father Ted lookalike Alan Irvine ;D ;D ;D


Oh yes i forgot look left my avitar :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on August 11, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
There will be a priest sitting on our bench - Father Ted lookalike Alan Irvine ;D ;D ;D

I think he will need a priest, god help him if we go a goal down. Surely deserves a chance to fail first?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 11, 2014, 03:54:51 PM
I can see the interview now with Father Ted just after Christmas....

"So Alan, do you think you were worthy of your wages as Head Coach?"

"I didn't take the money; it was just resting in my account...."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
Father Ted could be the last away day theme when Irvine leads us to FA Cup glory and top 10.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Father Ted could be the last away day theme when Irvine leads us to FA Cup glory and top 10.



I realy hope your right and yes that stands a bloody good chance if we finish comfortable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnny Cash on August 11, 2014, 04:38:05 PM


I realy hope your right and yes that stands a bloody good chance if we finish comfortable

Irvine won't take us down officially, by that I mean he won't be at the helm if we drop. Peace won't allow it to happen. 10 years hard work to allow his investment to take a hammering now, I don't think so (that's not a knock at Peace,  I think he has done a good job running us as a business).

If we go down, it will be under another manager who Peace brings in an attempt to turn the season around.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 11, 2014, 04:48:22 PM
Irvine won't take us down officially, by that I mean he won't be at the helm if we drop. Peace won't allow it to happen. 10 years hard work to allow his investment to take a hammering now, I don't think so (that's not a knock at Peace,  I think he has done a good job running us as a business).

If we go down, it will be under another manager who Peace brings in an attempt to turn the season around.

Does it really matter to him though if we do drop? Parachute payments, flex down in wages, less investment needed in playing side and not having to sell our best players. We'd be a good bet to bounce back straight away. He'd still take his £1m plus salary too.  If he was that concerned about his investment they why on earth appoint AI? (I've used the word investment loosely BTW)!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 12, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/olsson-hails-irvine-approach-ahead-of-new-season-1821217.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/olsson-hails-irvine-approach-ahead-of-new-season-1821217.aspx)

JONAS Olsson is enjoying life under Albion head coach Alan Irvine as the new Barclays Premier League season prepares to kick off.

The defender, 31, is entering his seventh year in a Baggies shirt, the sixth of which spent plying his trade in England’s top tier.

Olsson insists he is ready for the start of the 2014/15 campaign and feels the Black Country club have got a good pre-season under their belt.

And the experienced Sweden international has enjoyed his time to date spent working under Irvine, who was handed the reins at The Hawthorns in mid-June.
 
“He is very respected and I’ve only got good things to say about him so far,” Olsson said.

“He’s a nice man, a good coach and a nice person, which for me is very important.

“It’s vital to have a gaffer who you really respect as a person so you want to go those extra yards for him.

“It’s only positive feelings so far.

“He is very hands-on in training and I like that.”

Albion open the new season at home to Sunderland this Saturday (ko 3pm).

It is the fourth successive Premier League campaign the Baggies have started on home soil.

And Olsson, who found the net against FC Porto in the club’s final pre-season friendly at the weekend, is happy to be getting things underway in front of what will be strong support.

“It’s nice to start at home,” he said. “That’s always a good feeling, but there are no easy games.

“Hopefully we can get off to a good start.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2014, 01:33:44 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/olsson-hails-irvine-approach-ahead-of-new-season-1821217.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/olsson-hails-irvine-approach-ahead-of-new-season-1821217.aspx)

JONAS Olsson is enjoying life under Albion head coach Alan Irvine as the new Barclays Premier League season prepares to kick off.

The defender, 31, is entering his seventh year in a Baggies shirt, the sixth of which spent plying his trade in England’s top tier.

Olsson insists he is ready for the start of the 2014/15 campaign and feels the Black Country club have got a good pre-season under their belt.

And the experienced Sweden international has enjoyed his time to date spent working under Irvine, who was handed the reins at The Hawthorns in mid-June.
 
“He is very respected and I’ve only got good things to say about him so far,” Olsson said.

“He’s a nice man, a good coach and a nice person, which for me is very important
.

“It’s vital to have a gaffer who you really respect as a person so you want to go those extra yards for him.

“It’s only positive feelings so far.

“He is very hands-on in training and I like that.”

Albion open the new season at home to Sunderland this Saturday (ko 3pm).

It is the fourth successive Premier League campaign the Baggies have started on home soil.

And Olsson, who found the net against FC Porto in the club’s final pre-season friendly at the weekend, is happy to be getting things underway in front of what will be strong support.

“It’s nice to start at home,” he said. “That’s always a good feeling, but there are no easy games.

“Hopefully we can get off to a good start.”



pretty much what he says with most of our recent head coaches
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 13, 2014, 07:26:28 PM
He'll be on TalkSport in the morning:

Alan Brazil ‏@sportsbreakfast 9m

From 6am Dominic Cork alongside Al and they'll be speaking to West Brom boss Alan Irvine, @EmileHeskeyUK and more
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on August 13, 2014, 07:29:08 PM
He'll be on TalkSport in the morning:

Alan Brazil ‏@sportsbreakfast 9m

From 6am Dominic Cork alongside Al and they'll be speaking to West Brom boss Alan Irvine, @EmileHeskeyUK and more


Hopefully Irvine and Heskey don't get talking... :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 14, 2014, 08:16:54 AM
He'll be on TalkSport in the morning:

Alan Brazil ‏@sportsbreakfast 9m

From 6am Dominic Cork alongside Al and they'll be speaking to West Brom boss Alan Irvine, @EmileHeskeyUK and more


This is the 3rd time he's been on, not sure how I feel about that. Speaks well but don't like him being on a show like that. Defended our scouting system and how it allowed him to do his job. Glad he defended the fact that he came in the off season and had no chance to watch players anyway which nobody else seemed to pick up on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 14, 2014, 08:42:56 AM
Heard his interview this morning and he comes across well.  I really do wish him all the best because he seems like a good guy and a real football man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 14, 2014, 08:53:33 AM
yes i heard it too, at least i can understand what he is saying, Pepe Mel and Steve Clarke not so good.
If the players play for him then thats a good start.I want to see some decent football especially at home.Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: benalbion on August 14, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
Anyone catch the Irvine interview on talksport ? Any positives ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 14, 2014, 11:03:08 AM
Anyone catch the Irvine interview on talksport ? Any positives ?



Yes for a scotsman i could understand him

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-irvine-not-happy-balance-west-brom-squad-he-eyes-more-signings-140814107584 (http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-irvine-not-happy-balance-west-brom-squad-he-eyes-more-signings-140814107584)

The link for anyone who wants to listen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on August 14, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
I'm fearing the worst this season

If Irvine is here by Xmas I will be very shocked
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 14, 2014, 11:57:37 AM
I'm fearing the worst this season

If Irvine is here by Xmas I will be very shocked


Peace should have got this one right, you cant keep taking on and sacking coaches.Fingers crossed Peace has found a gem, you never know. Evidence will be clear to see by the end of September
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 14, 2014, 11:58:06 AM
Heard his interview this morning and he comes across well.  I really do wish him all the best because he seems like a good guy and a real football man.

we all know he can talk a good game, that's how he got the job  ;D

unfortunately I fear the worst.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 14, 2014, 01:36:06 PM
It is quite clear that Alan Irvine is facing his first game in charge with some trepidation, and he seems to already be  pleading that he has not chosen some of our signings, and we have suffered with injuries, late arrivals of signings, and more signings needed. I don't think these are excuses, but they are genuine concerns which we all share. Please lets give the guy a chance at least until he has a full complement of players to select from. I am hoping that if it all goes wrong on Saturday, there will be no booing and anti-Irvine chants, we are surely better than that ....................are we not?   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 14, 2014, 01:42:34 PM
It's up to Irvine to prove to us that he's not a failed lower league manager.

6 games he's got to win the fans over imo, before they/we turn on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 14, 2014, 01:43:45 PM
It is quite clear that Alan Irvine is facing his first game in charge with some trepidation, and he seems to already be  pleading that he has not chosen some of our signings, and we have suffered with injuries, late arrivals of signings, and more signings needed. I don't think these are excuses, but they are genuine concerns which we all share. Please lets give the guy a chance at least until he has a full complement of players to select from. I am hoping that if it all goes wrong on Saturday, there will be no booing and anti-Irvine chants, we are surely better than that ....................are we not?   
I dont think anyone on Saturday will have a go at AI during the match & you can put what you like down tot he team etc but the fact remains, if we dont get enough points at the start of the season (first 5/6 games)  then with our Christmas & new year fixtures along with the end of the season run in we will be SCREWED!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on August 14, 2014, 01:44:49 PM
It's up to Irvine to prove to us that he's not a failed lower league manager.

6 games he's got to win the fans over imo, before they/we turn on him.

That would be embarrassing and dingle-esque
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 14, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Do people really think 6 games is enough to judge him as head coach?

Pre-season has been far from ideal preparation with us having to rebuild a squad after letting so many players go and we aren't finished in that respect. We have had delays with new signings costing them valuable time on the training field and friendlies as well as being hit with injuries to a few key players. The transfer window will still be open for the first three of those games and the powers that be are struggling to get the players in that we desperately need. I would guess that the starting XI from the Porto game will look very different to the one that starts that 6th game against Burnley.

I know the fixtures haven't been too kind in hindsight but there will be surprise results for everyone again this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2014, 01:56:41 PM
That would be embarrassing and dingle-esque

Agreed, thought Albion fans were better than that. The guy deserves a fair chance not a couple of games where we still have injuries and new players coming in the squad. Let's support and leave the negativity away from The Hawthorns. Our support made a difference last season, let's do it again. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 14, 2014, 02:13:45 PM
Do people really think 6 games is enough to judge him as head coach?

Pre-season has been far from ideal preparation with us having to rebuild a squad after letting so many players go and we aren't finished in that respect. We have had delays with new signings costing them valuable time on the training field and friendlies as well as being hit with injuries to a few key players. The transfer window will still be open for the first three of those games and the powers that be are struggling to get the players in that we desperately need. I would guess that the starting XI from the Porto game will look very different to the one that starts that 6th game against Burnley.

I know the fixtures haven't been too kind in hindsight but there will be surprise results for everyone again this season.
As much as I agree "is 6 games enough" However they are our "easiest" 6 games (ish) of the season, if we cant at least compete in those how do you expect us to do better in the harder games?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 14, 2014, 02:21:16 PM
As much as I agree "is 6 games enough" However they are our "easiest" 6 games (ish) of the season, if we cant at least compete in those how do you expect us to do better in the harder games?

But is it all going to be down to him if we can't get as many points as we expect from those games? Our pre-season has been very disrupted and none of it is down to Irvine. It isn't his fault we have had injuries to key players, not signed the players we desperately need or the way the fixtures came out. When we have a fully fit squad with a couple of decent attacking options coming in I expect us to be able to compete with most clubs with the exception of maybe the top 6 or 7 but even then there is no reason why we can't get some surprise points from someone like everyone else does.

I could understand people having a go at him if its clear our tactics are poor and we aren't motivated as a team and the like but not for things that have been largely out of his control.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 14, 2014, 02:38:52 PM
But is it all going to be down to him if we can't get as many points as we expect from those games? Our pre-season has been very disrupted and none of it is down to Irvine. It isn't his fault we have had injuries to key players, not signed the players we desperately need or the way the fixtures came out. When we have a fully fit squad with a couple of decent attacking options coming in I expect us to be able to compete with most clubs with the exception of maybe the top 6 or 7 but even then there is no reason why we can't get some surprise points from someone like everyone else does.

I could understand people having a go at him if its clear our tactics are poor and we aren't motivated as a team and the like but not for things that have been largely out of his control.
Again I agree but he is the "fall" guy, hes the manager whether things are in or out of his control.  I think JP has employed him purely because of this but I am a Cynic!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on August 14, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
But is it all going to be down to him if we can't get as many points as we expect from those games? Our pre-season has been very disrupted and none of it is down to Irvine. It isn't his fault we have had injuries to key players, not signed the players we desperately need or the way the fixtures came out. When we have a fully fit squad with a couple of decent attacking options coming in I expect us to be able to compete with most clubs with the exception of maybe the top 6 or 7 but even then there is no reason why we can't get some surprise points from someone like everyone else does.

I could understand people having a go at him if its clear our tactics are poor and we aren't motivated as a team and the like but not for things that have been largely out of his control.

Of course it will not be all down to AI if things go badly - but neither were the issues at the end of last season down to Pepe Mel. But we all know who will carry the can!Lets hope the poor bloke has not bothered to unpack - and he should wear padded shorts for when the door hits his backside on the way out.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 14, 2014, 03:13:20 PM
 If things go wrong quickly he can have no complaints. He has already had EIGHT new players through the door and according to interview clearly expects a couple more. Having been plucked from obscurity to front up a premier league team he has been backed more than any other WBA manager in recent times. Pre season has been shambolic in terms of results and it would seem tactically too. I didnt want him and still see it as an unacceptable appointment so it will be no surprise if it goes wrong for him in the first few games.
 Despite all the incomings i feel we will go into the first game with a squad much weaker than last season,should any of the injuries and fitness issues persist much after Saturday and i feel this season could very quickly turn into a total disaster >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2014, 03:14:38 PM
If we concede 2 in the first half hour on Saturday the fans will be on his back. Unfortunately he won't be afforded a honeymoon period.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbafc68 on August 14, 2014, 03:40:01 PM
Not too bothered on how we play in the short term just hope he can get us to restrict crosses from wide positions thus stopping 80% of the goals we concede and get a few clean sheets and points on the board . I'll even take 3 from our first 3 games provided it was all draws and only say 2 goals conceded
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 14, 2014, 03:42:17 PM
If things go wrong quickly he can have no complaints. He has already had EIGHT new players through the door and according to interview clearly expects a couple more. Having been plucked from obscurity to front up a premier league team he has been backed more than any other WBA manager in recent times. Pre season has been shambolic in terms of results and it would seem tactically too. I didnt want him and still see it as an unacceptable appointment so it will be no surprise if it goes wrong for him in the first few games.
 Despite all the incomings i feel we will go into the first game with a squad much weaker than last season,should any of the injuries and fitness issues persist much after Saturday and i feel this season could very quickly turn into a total disaster >:( >:(

this is how I feel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 14, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
I'm sorry but anyone who suggests our squad is weaker than last season is missing something. I would explain how they're better but if you can't already see it what's the point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 14, 2014, 04:04:06 PM
I'm sorry but anyone who suggests our squad is weaker than last season is missing something. I would explain how they're better but if you can't already see it what's the point.
for the first game we will almost certainly be weaker (or no better) at cb at least 1 fb wont have played prem football, attack wise we will have Anichebe, Berahino as the only 2 fully fit and prepared strikers and imo opinion a far inferior coach and people still say we are stronger ffs >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
I'm sorry but anyone who suggests our squad is weaker than last season is missing something. I would explain how they're better but if you can't already see it what's the point.

suspect it's available players rather than overall squad mate. For example a guy who couldn't get in the team for going on 3 years has played a key role in midfield in every friendly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on August 14, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
If things go wrong quickly he can have no complaints. He has already had EIGHT new players through the door and according to interview clearly expects a couple more. Having been plucked from obscurity to front up a premier league team he has been backed more than any other WBA manager in recent times. Pre season has been shambolic in terms of results and it would seem tactically too. I didnt want him and still see it as an unacceptable appointment so it will be no surprise if it goes wrong for him in the first few games.
 Despite all the incomings i feel we will go into the first game with a squad much weaker than last season,should any of the injuries and fitness issues persist much after Saturday and i feel this season could very quickly turn into a total disaster >:( >:(


Preseason has been shambolic for results? , is that a joke?

Dortmund lost 4-0 to Liverpool at the weekend, and then beat Bayern 2-0 in a competitive game the other night. Results don't mean everything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
suspect it's available players rather than overall squad mate. For example a guy who couldn't get in the team for going on 3 years has played a key role in midfield in every friendly.

Also our best player at the end of last season might I add.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
If things go wrong quickly he can have no complaints. He has already had EIGHT new players through the door and according to interview clearly expects a couple more. Having been plucked from obscurity to front up a premier league team he has been backed more than any other WBA manager in recent times. Pre season has been shambolic in terms of results and it would seem tactically too. I didnt want him and still see it as an unacceptable appointment so it will be no surprise if it goes wrong for him in the first few games.
 Despite all the incomings i feel we will go into the first game with a squad much weaker than last season,should any of the injuries and fitness issues persist much after Saturday and i feel this season could very quickly turn into a total disaster >:( >:(

A pre season with injuries to key players and working with a small squad who's new players haven't trained properly yet and still needing new players e.g. wingers. The guy's not managed one competitive game yet.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 14, 2014, 05:04:10 PM

Preseason has been shambolic for results? , is that a joke?

Dortmund lost 4-0 to Liverpool at the weekend, and then beat Bayern 2-0 in a competitive game the other night. Results don't mean everything.

agreed pre-season results mean nothing, but we haven't a lot else to go on at the moment...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 14, 2014, 05:22:12 PM

Preseason has been shambolic for results? , is that a joke?

Dortmund lost 4-0 to Liverpool at the weekend, and then beat Bayern 2-0 in a competitive game the other night. Results don't mean everything.

By the maths and 'football played on paper' reasoning that some fans have, Bayern are 8 times worse than Liverpool. Each and every game is different and our pre season results have absolutely no bearing on anything. Having a good pre season last year didn't translate did it so why does the opposite suddenly become gospel and the definitive way to predict anything?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 14, 2014, 05:22:41 PM
agreed pre-season results mean nothing, but we haven't a lot else to go on at the moment...
So why all the doom and gloom when as you say pre-season results mean nothing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on August 14, 2014, 05:50:00 PM
Let's be honest his chances of getting us off to a good start are about the same as his managerial record - dismal.

I'm sure he's a lovely bloke but I've not seen or heard anything during pre-season that makes me think the guy will be a success. I'll be absolutely and utterly stunned if he lasts the season.

If / when we start the season extremely poorly, how long do you give him realistically? Do you give him more time to try and turn it around or do you cut your losses, get rid and admit it was a huge mistake early doors?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie79 on August 14, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
My only problem is that it seems his comments are preparing us for a disappointment, quotes like he might have to play players that are not fully ready and if we get beat by some smaller teams then things could even themselves out over the season sound to me like getting excuses in early to me.

We will see, I hope he does well but my reading of the situation seems is he is already talking damage limitation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 14, 2014, 06:22:09 PM
So why all the doom and gloom when as you say pre-season results mean nothing.

Take one look at the squad and there really isn't much to look forward to.

It should be blatanty obvious to anyone connected with the club whats going to happen this season.

I'm sure the reality will start to hit home after the first few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2014, 06:24:37 PM
Has his pre-season really been that disruptive?

I could cases which have been far worse.

Appears to me like Alan Irvine might possibly be getting his excuses in early.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on August 14, 2014, 06:30:33 PM
Are any bookies offering odds that Irvine will be gone by Christmas? If so, I wouldn't mind having a few pounds on!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 14, 2014, 06:34:36 PM
Are any bookies offering odds that Irvine will be gone by Christmas? If so, I wouldn't mind having a few pounds on!

You'll be wasting your money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 14, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Has his pre-season really been that disruptive?

I could cases which have been far worse.

Appears to me like Alan Irvine might possibly be getting his excuses in early.

I'd say from a coaches point of view it's been a disaster.

Pre season tour of America with less than half a squad.

Work permit/visa issues with new signings.

Players playing out of position as there is literally nobody else to play.

Having to play players who come the end of the month may be gone (Yacob and Dawson).

Some of the current squad missing the majority of pre season due to injury. 

Going into a new season with gaping holes in the squad.

I know he's paid to be upbeat and positive but i think he's just stating facts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2014, 06:52:56 PM
I'd say from a coaches point of view it's been a disaster.

Pre season tour of America with less than half a squad.

Work permit/visa issues with new signings.

Players playing out of position as there is literally nobody else to play.

Having to play players who come the end of the month may be gone (Yacob and Dawson).

Some of the current squad missing the majority of pre season due to injury. 

Going into a new season with gaping holes in the squad.

I know he's paid to be upbeat and positive but i think he's just stating facts.

You could apply most of that logic to all 92 clubs in the football league.

The only real disruptive aspect for me is the fact that we've needed to get so many bodies in - then again, if the club didn't operate with the 'kick the can down the road' policy then we wouldn't have needed so many bodies.

Injuries, whilst disruptive are part and parcel of football and experienced by all football clubs across the world so it isn't something unique to us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 14, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
You'll be wasting your money.

It will be in the new year  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 14, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
You could apply most of that logic to all 92 clubs in the football league.

The only real disruptive aspect for me is the fact that we've needed to get so many bodies in - then again, if the club didn't operate with the 'kick the can down the road' policy then we wouldn't have needed so many bodies.

Injuries, whilst disruptive are part and parcel of football and experienced by all football clubs across the world so it isn't something unique to us.
Exactly mate. Liverpool lost their star centre forward who scored a bag full of goals for them last season but doesn't stop them talking about a top 4 finish again, WHY, because they went out and got a replacements/replacements. We've put ALL our eggs in 1 basket, IDEYE, and if anything happens to him or he bombs, then we're f****d !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on August 14, 2014, 09:56:49 PM
Exactly mate. Liverpool lost their star centre forward who scored a bag full of goals for them last season but doesn't stop them talking about a top 4 finish again, WHY, because they went out and got a replacements/replacements. We've put ALL our eggs in 1 basket, IDEYE, and if anything happens to him or he bombs, then we're f****d !!


Yeah tottenham got replacements for Bale last year - great success!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 14, 2014, 10:12:53 PM

Yeah tottenham got replacements for Bale last year - great success!
Yeah but they didn't drop 10 places down the league table either !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on August 14, 2014, 10:30:13 PM
Either this Ideye is going to be the new Benteke, or we have to accept goals are going to be very hard to come by. To be honest, i can't see us scoring more than 1 against Sunderland. Which means we have to rely on our defence to keep a clean sheet! What's the odds of that happening?
Irvine will come under pressure if results go against us. Once you are down there you have the task of playing catch up, with not many 'easy' fixtures. But I don't feel sorry for Irvine. Nobody forced him to take the job. If you decide to become Head Coach of West Bromwich Albion, you have put yourself in a very high profile position, with more stress than someone cutting the grass.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on August 14, 2014, 10:33:27 PM
Yeah but they didn't drop 10 places down the league table either !!

no but they did perform bad enough to get rid of two managers - so your logic of liverpool doing the right thing by replacements replacements replacements doesn't always fit - and doesn't mean it will work for liverpool either.  how do you know liverpool have done the right thing and west brom have done the wrong thing when not evn a ball has been kicked - only time will tell.

Plus the reality of the top 8 finishing ten places below the top 8 is ridiculous - there is too much of a gap in the kleague for tottenham to drop from 5th to 15th
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 08:05:52 AM
Just heard again Sherwood say he turned us down.Was Irvine a last minute desperate thing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 15, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx (http://Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx)

Gardner set to make Baggies bow against former employers

CRAIG Gardner has hailed head coach Alan Irvine as one of the best he has ever worked under on the eve of the new Barclays Premier League season.


The Scot has received high praise from several Albion players for his coaching sessions since his appointment at The Hawthorns earlier this summer.


And midfielder Gardner, himself a summer recruit from Saturday’s opponents Sunderland, is the latest to applaud Irvine’s methods both on and also off the training pitch.


“The manager has come in and he’s got us going and got us firing straight away, and we’re going to take that into the season,” Gardner said.


“I think before you judge him you need to watch his training sessions, you need to be in the changing room, you need to really know him; he’s come here and been brilliant.


“I’m not just saying that because he’s the manager and he picks the team, he truly has been brilliant.


“His training sessions are different class, he talks really, really well in the changing room. He knows what he’s on about, he doesn’t talk for the sake of it.


“He’s a top-class coach and he’s a top-class person.


“It’s the same with Keith (Downing), Rob (Kelly) and Dean (Kiely) as well, they all know what they’re on about.


“On the training pitch we get well-set drills and it’s proper training sessions that relate to proper games. It’s not just ‘go out there and play football’.”


Gardner has worked under the likes of Martin O’Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish and Steve Bruce, among others, during his club career.


And asked whether Irvine is one of the finest coaches he has experienced to date, Gardner replied: “Coaching-wise he’s probably the best, yes.


“Again, I’m not just saying it, he’s very, very good.


“I’ve worked under a lot of people, Martin O’Neill was top class, Alex McLeish was very, very good as well.


“But Alan Irvine is a top-class coach, he’s really taken training sessions by the scruff of the neck.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 08:08:05 AM
Ah good way of getting yourself in the team Craig.Lets just wait and see laugh out loud
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 15, 2014, 08:15:49 AM
Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx (http://Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx)

Gardner set to make Baggies bow against former employers

CRAIG Gardner has hailed head coach Alan Irvine as one of the best he has ever worked under on the eve of the new Barclays Premier League season.


The Scot has received high praise from several Albion players for his coaching sessions since his appointment at The Hawthorns earlier this summer.


And midfielder Gardner, himself a summer recruit from Saturday’s opponents Sunderland, is the latest to applaud Irvine’s methods both on and also off the training pitch.


“The manager has come in and he’s got us going and got us firing straight away, and we’re going to take that into the season,” Gardner said.


“I think before you judge him you need to watch his training sessions, you need to be in the changing room, you need to really know him; he’s come here and been brilliant.


“I’m not just saying that because he’s the manager and he picks the team, he truly has been brilliant.


“His training sessions are different class, he talks really, really well in the changing room. He knows what he’s on about, he doesn’t talk for the sake of it.


“He’s a top-class coach and he’s a top-class person.


“It’s the same with Keith (Downing), Rob (Kelly) and Dean (Kiely) as well, they all know what they’re on about.


“On the training pitch we get well-set drills and it’s proper training sessions that relate to proper games. It’s not just ‘go out there and play football’.”


Gardner has worked under the likes of Martin O’Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish and Steve Bruce, among others, during his club career.


And asked whether Irvine is one of the finest coaches he has experienced to date, Gardner replied: “Coaching-wise he’s probably the best, yes.


“Again, I’m not just saying it, he’s very, very good.


“I’ve worked under a lot of people, Martin O’Neill was top class, Alex McLeish was very, very good as well.


“But Alan Irvine is a top-class coach, he’s really taken training sessions by the scruff of the neck.”


No we don't we judge him by results that's what matters not whether the players like him or not. If his coaching is that good it'll show in the results, if the results are bad, given the fact that football is a results based industry, then his methods don't work when they need to regardless of whether or not he impresses on the training ground.

Irvine has to walk the walk, all the superficial praise is just that, superficial.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 15, 2014, 08:17:12 AM
Talk is cheap - we've heard all this kind of stuff from players time and time again, and they've then gone out and give consistently terrible performances. They can talk all they like, but all that really matters is what they do during matches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 08:21:40 AM
Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx (http://Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx)

Gardner set to make Baggies bow against former employers

CRAIG Gardner has hailed head coach Alan Irvine as one of the best he has ever worked under on the eve of the new Barclays Premier League season.


The Scot has received high praise from several Albion players for his coaching sessions since his appointment at The Hawthorns earlier this summer.


And midfielder Gardner, himself a summer recruit from Saturday’s opponents Sunderland, is the latest to applaud Irvine’s methods both on and also off the training pitch.


“The manager has come in and he’s got us going and got us firing straight away, and we’re going to take that into the season,” Gardner said.


“I think before you judge him you need to watch his training sessions, you need to be in the changing room, you need to really know him; he’s come here and been brilliant.
“I’m not just saying that because he’s the manager and he picks the team, he truly has been brilliant.


“His training sessions are different class, he talks really, really well in the changing room. He knows what he’s on about, he doesn’t talk for the sake of it.


“He’s a top-class coach and he’s a top-class person.


“It’s the same with Keith (Downing), Rob (Kelly) and Dean (Kiely) as well, they all know what they’re on about.


“On the training pitch we get well-set drills and it’s proper training sessions that relate to proper games. It’s not just ‘go out there and play football’.”


Gardner has worked under the likes of Martin O’Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish and Steve Bruce, among others, during his club career.


And asked whether Irvine is one of the finest coaches he has experienced to date, Gardner replied: “Coaching-wise he’s probably the best, yes.


“Again, I’m not just saying it, he’s very, very good.


“I’ve worked under a lot of people, Martin O’Neill was top class, Alex McLeish was very, very good as well.


“But Alan Irvine is a top-class coach, he’s really taken training sessions by the scruff of the neck.”



You going to invite me to come see then Craig
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on August 15, 2014, 08:23:23 AM
Its all perfectly well being brilliant on the training ground, you dont get any points on the training ground!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 15, 2014, 08:25:03 AM
Alex McLeish was very, very good as well

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Says it all! :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 15, 2014, 08:31:54 AM
Its all perfectly well being brilliant on the training ground, you dont get any points on the training ground!

What an attitude! If points aren't won on the training ground, why is he being slated on pre season games and judged before a ball is kicked in anger? He's a head coach and unlike the last one who the players wouldn't play for they're responding in training to him and there's a respect there. At the end of the day the 11 guys on the pitch determine if we get points off the training ground, Irvine's job is to get them on side, working together and working hard. And he's doing that apparently.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 15, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
What an attitude! If points aren't won on the training ground, why is he being slated on pre season games and judged before a ball is kicked in anger? He's a head coach and unlike the last one who the players wouldn't play for they're responding in training to him and there's a respect there. At the end of the day the 11 guys on the pitch determine if we get points off the training ground, Irvine's job is to get them on side, working together and working hard. And he's doing that apparently.


I could do that. Irvine's job is to get points. If we don't get them he'll be the one who pays the price.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 15, 2014, 08:56:17 AM

I could do that. Irvine's job is to get points. If we don't get them he'll be the one who pays the price.

Irvine's job is to coach the team, who in turn get points. When we drew 3-3 with Cardiff because Saido misplaced that pass rather than head to the corner, was that Pepe Mel's fault? If Jonas gives away a penalty and we lose is that Irvine's fault?

Irvine's job is to coach the team who in turn get points. And he's doing his job off the pitch it seems. And you're right what HIS work manifests itself on the pitch as is very important hence my months of saying 'let's wait til the season starts before writing him off.' I agree he does deserve blame IF his work (tactics, formation, player fitness) isn't up to scratch. If it was a case of managers winning points why do we pay 25+ players?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on August 15, 2014, 09:14:49 AM
The Albion PR machine has gone into overdrive with the appointment of Irvine. The picture they've painted so far is that Al;an is a mixture of Sir Alex Ferguson and Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 09:18:14 AM
We should see some evidence tomorrow then, bring it on, i cant wait
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 15, 2014, 09:19:11 AM

I could do that. Irvine's job is to get points. If we don't get them he'll be the one who pays the price.

I bet you could not!  :P We saw the discontent from the players and poor performences when they lost respect for Mcdonough and Mel.

Irvine should get are full backing from the off, if his performances after 10 games are poor then that's a diffrent story. Not giving Irvine are full backing and carrying over the negativity from last season will only hamper this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 15, 2014, 09:23:34 AM
The Albion PR machine has gone into overdrive with the appointment of Irvine. The picture they've painted so far is that Al;an is a mixture of Sir Alex Ferguson and Jesus Christ.

Dunno about that mate, it seems more like ..he is competent coach, the players like and respect him as a coach firstly and a man secondly.

 Haven't heard anything about him being a cantankerous Scot who can perform miracles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: peacebewithu on August 15, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
Never ever ever thought I would say this but when the inevitable happens around November and we are looking for a new manager I hope Tony Pulis is still available. Palace were dead and buried when he arrived and not only did they survive but did it by playing  good attacking  football. I know it won't happen as he doesn't fit  our  Head Coach 'model', and he would certainly fall out with the Chairman over transfer funds.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 15, 2014, 10:05:25 AM
Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx (http://Www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvines-training-sessions-simply-the-best-gardner-1829523.aspx)

Gardner set to make Baggies bow against former employers

CRAIG Gardner has hailed head coach Alan Irvine as one of the best he has ever worked under on the eve of the new Barclays Premier League season.


The Scot has received high praise from several Albion players for his coaching sessions since his appointment at The Hawthorns earlier this summer.


And midfielder Gardner, himself a summer recruit from Saturday’s opponents Sunderland, is the latest to applaud Irvine’s methods both on and also off the training pitch.


“The manager has come in and he’s got us going and got us firing straight away, and we’re going to take that into the season,” Gardner said.


“I think before you judge him you need to watch his training sessions, you need to be in the changing room, you need to really know him; he’s come here and been brilliant.


“I’m not just saying that because he’s the manager and he picks the team, he truly has been brilliant.


“His training sessions are different class, he talks really, really well in the changing room. He knows what he’s on about, he doesn’t talk for the sake of it.


“He’s a top-class coach and he’s a top-class person.


“It’s the same with Keith (Downing), Rob (Kelly) and Dean (Kiely) as well, they all know what they’re on about.


“On the training pitch we get well-set drills and it’s proper training sessions that relate to proper games. It’s not just ‘go out there and play football’.”


Gardner has worked under the likes of Martin O’Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish and Steve Bruce, among others, during his club career.


And asked whether Irvine is one of the finest coaches he has experienced to date, Gardner replied: “Coaching-wise he’s probably the best, yes.


“Again, I’m not just saying it, he’s very, very good.


“I’ve worked under a lot of people, Martin O’Neill was top class, Alex McLeish was very, very good as well.


“But Alan Irvine is a top-class coach, he’s really taken training sessions by the scruff of the neck.”

Good to hear, it seems all the coaches and players are pulling in the right direction which can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 15, 2014, 10:09:45 AM
Exactly mate. Liverpool lost their star centre forward who scored a bag full of goals for them last season but doesn't stop them talking about a top 4 finish again, WHY, because they went out and got a replacements/replacements. We've put ALL our eggs in 1 basket, IDEYE, and if anything happens to him or he bombs, then we're f****d !!

i think you'll find they haven't replaced him yet, they've bought players in but not a striker to replace him even they are finding it difficult
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 15, 2014, 10:12:50 AM
Just heard again Sherwood say he turned us down.Was Irvine a last minute desperate thing
no he was always in the running just that his name never got leaked to press and you can quote me on that as it's from the horse's mouth as in JP
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 15, 2014, 10:15:03 AM
That would be embarrassing and dingle-esque

I agree. But it will happen.

The majority of fans are still smarting from the debacle of last season. Add to that the underwhelming appt of Irvine, and the kit etc, the fans imo are just waiting for a chance to let rip at the club.

The fans need convincing, and if that's not achieved in the first 6 games then rightly or wrongly, I do believe the fans will turn on him.

If he can come out of the first 6 games with 8 points - W2, D2, L2, and the style of play isn't too mind numbingly boring, then he'll have done well imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
I agree. But it will happen.

The majority of fans are still smarting from the debacle of last season. Add to that the underwhelming appt of Irvine, and the kit etc, the fans imo are just waiting for a chance to let rip at the club.

The fans need convincing, and if that's not achieved in the first 6 games then rightly or wrongly, I do believe the fans will turn on him.

If he can come out of the first 6 games with 8 points - W2, D2, L2, and the style of play isn't too mind numbingly boring, then he'll have done well imo.



and thats how it is in a nutshell
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 15, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
I have to say some of this stuff is becoming embarrassing i didn't want the bloke and made my feelings known to JP but at the end of the day he's the man in charge of the team so needs our backing, if he loses the first 4 he should walk but only if he's had a fair chance and all his players are available to him for those games,

the season starts tomorrow so can we all just for once get off his back before a league balls been kicked and back the team tomorrow   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 15, 2014, 10:30:37 AM
and as for Craig's comments fair play to him and he's not the only one to come out and say it so they all must be wrong, perhaps the dressing room all being as one will make a massive difference compared the the Pepe reign
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on August 15, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
In the most they have talked the talk now lets see them walk the walk.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 15, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Having been not so much a left field appointment more a 5 fields away appointment ,and arriving with the usual guff from the club about being the best man for the job going forward etc should we not expect to see a marked improvement in certain areas(it would be hard to be worse than the end of last season) from this coaching guru even in the relaxed atmosphere of pre season? what we are getting as others have said are a bunch of damage limitation,its not my fault,prepare to be disappointed type comments, still the players like him so everythings good!!  >:( :( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on August 15, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
People need to remember that a lot of words are put into players' mouths before interviews. The media (both national and in-house) is carefully controlled. Interviewees are given questions and time to think of responses before the actual interview.

I'm not doubting Craig said these things, just not sure it was all his own words. If ever I've read an interview that is aimed at fans regarding previous comments made by fans, then this is it. I think the club are trying a little too hard to defend their actions of employing someone that has vastly underwhelmed everyone.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on August 15, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
Lets just see whats served up on matchdays
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on August 15, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
The position of head coach in our set up requires a number of abilities

Getting players united as a team - erring on side of a tick for this.
Tactical nous - jury out
Out-witting opposition head coach - Jury out
Building confidence - Jury out
Developing skills - Jury out

there are many other abilities / skills / attributes, my point is despite an un-inspiring record we have not had an opportunity to evaluate AI yet, until we have we must give him the benefit of the doubt and get baehind club, coaching staff, players.

As we all keep saying its our club !!! The rest is transisitory............. so lets back ourselves
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 15, 2014, 12:03:18 PM
The position of head coach in our set up requires a number of abilities

Getting players united as a team - erring on side of a tick for this.
Tactical nous - jury out
Out-witting opposition head coach - Jury out
Building confidence - Jury out
Developing skills - Jury out

there are many other abilities / skills / attributes, my point is despite an un-inspiring record we have not had an opportunity to evaluate AI yet, until we have we must give him the benefit of the doubt and get baehind club, coaching staff, players.

As we all keep saying its our club !!! The rest is transisitory............. so lets back ourselves

Great post and very much how I feel about things.
 8).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 15, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
and as for Craig's comments fair play to him and he's not the only one to come out and say it so they all must be wrong, perhaps the dressing room all being as one will make a massive difference compared the the Pepe reign

How many players come out and slag off their manager to the press?

The results of his coaching will be seen on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on August 15, 2014, 01:25:58 PM
How many players come out and slag off their manager to the press?

The results of his coaching will be seen on a Saturday.

I was just about to say the same thing in reply to an earlier poster!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 15, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
but they don't have to come out and say good things either do they but lots have
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 15, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
but they don't have to come out and say good things either do they but lots have

How does that fit in with the conspiracy theory that everything is rotten and any good news or positive statement is just a smokescreen?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on August 15, 2014, 02:30:18 PM
FFS Give the guy a chance. We are Albion, feck all the pundits and the ITKs. We do what we do. If we win great, if we dont , not so great . We are bigger than all this , we are a heritage, we are founders of the football league....ups and downs, they cant take this away from us, TBH i dont give a flying feck....we will always be there...
chill out...we are history, we are tradition we are what its all about.....results. yeah.
TBH...its more than that. id love to finish top ten, and i think we will.. but TBH i dont really care.
 We are West Bromwich Albion.........wow,  who else can say that!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 15, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
Final away day we'll be wearing kilts and taking scottish flags. Have some faith.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 03:26:17 PM
Final away day we'll be wearing kilts and taking scottish flags. Have some faith.


If thats the case i wont wear anything underneath it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing boing baggies on August 15, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
FFS Give the guy a chance. We are Albion, feck all the pundits and the ITKs. We do what we do. If we win great, if we dont , not so great . We are bigger than all this , we are a heritage, we are founders of the football league....ups and downs, they cant take this away from us, TBH i dont give a flying feck....we will always be there...
chill out...we are history, we are tradition we are what its all about.....results. yeah.
TBH...its more than that. id love to finish top ten, and i think we will.. but TBH i dont really care.
 We are West Bromwich Albion.........wow,  who else can say that!

Where's the "like" button  8) ;D boingboing AlanIrvine's pinstripe Army
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2014, 04:10:28 PM
Time for the sarcasm to end as it making the board look pathetic.

People have a right to have whatever viewpoint they like without receiving sarcastic posts in return, if you have nothing constructive to post then please do not bother.

Any issues with that please conduct moans via PM as anything posted in here or elsewhere will be removed.

At the end of the day everyone whether a fan of Irvine being appointed or not wants him to succeed as thats for the benefit of the club we all follow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2014, 04:12:13 PM
but they don't have to come out and say good things either do they but lots have

Press Officer: "Craig can I have a quick word for the official website"

Gardner: "yeah sure"

Press Officer: "make sure you mention how respected AI is."

Gardner: "no problem."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 15, 2014, 04:22:06 PM
Press Officer: "Craig can I have a quick word for the official website"

Gardner: "yeah sure"

Press Officer: "make sure you mention how respected AI is."

Gardner: "no problem."
Or maybe he actually believes it! 

You can understand why players become disillusioned with their "supporters" and refuse to speak to them or the press and flick the v during matches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 16, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
did okay first game, bit unsure with the double subs before their second, when its that tight always best to keep formation.

Note for next week - work at defending because it was dire.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 16, 2014, 05:42:28 PM
Went for the safe option with about 15 mins to go bring on Yacob & sess it would have been the ideal time to give Bobby his 1st run out for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 16, 2014, 06:01:46 PM
Tough one.  History will say that he made a mistake in the changes he made because a few minutes later we conceded the equaliser.


It was a decent performance but ultimately 2 points dropped against a poor team who will be in the relegation mix at the end of the season.


I dont think he is the man and have made no secret of that but he needs to be properly judged when after the transfer window when he has new signings available.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 16, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
By all accounts, more positives than negatives.

Re: Dorrans and Gardner - GD was knackered, CG had cramp.

Irvine's hand forced to a degree.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on August 16, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
did okay first game, bit unsure with the double subs before their second, when its that tight always best to keep formation.

Note for next week - work at defending because it was dire.
Yes, we defended poorly at times today, but that'll be remedied when we have 2 quality centre halves back in the team.
Lot of positives today, but ultimately 2 points dropped against a very ordinary team.
Don't think Irvine would be making those subs if the players going off were fit to continue, so I sympathise with him there, as I'm sure he'd have liked to have given us more energy up front.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on August 17, 2014, 12:11:21 AM
Our problems for me came down our right flank mainly due to the fact we had no natural wide right man to support wisdom. A natural right sided midfielder is essential to give us balance defensively and offensively
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on August 17, 2014, 07:10:57 AM
Our problems for me came down our right flank mainly due to the fact we had no natural wide right man to support wisdom. A natural right sided midfielder is essential to give us balance defensively and offensively
Is that where Gamboa could play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 17, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
The Albion PR machine has gone into overdrive with the appointment of Irvine. The picture they've painted so far is that Al;an is a mixture of Sir Alex Ferguson and Jesus Christ.
For the benefit of the young people on here he means Jeremy Kyle and Simon Cowell  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on August 17, 2014, 12:07:09 PM
Best passing we've produced in a long while. Yesterday's performance was quite good, we've got ideye to come in, lescott and mcauley to fix our defence along with gamboa. Sessegnon to play more, looked good when he came on. Add a couple of wingers and we should be nowhere near relegation struggles. Very impressed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 17, 2014, 06:32:25 PM
Didn't do a lot wrong yesterday, made the changes when they were needed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 17, 2014, 07:15:46 PM
Didn't do a lot wrong yesterday, made the changes when they were needed.

Disagree to be honest
He should have made a change earlier as Sunderland had taken control
He made re first change when we went 2 1 up and tried to defend what we had far too early. This invited Sunderland to come at us more
Then made further defensive substitutions
Showed the difference between a good coach and a manager- but hopefully he will learn
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 17, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
I'm sure supporters of every team will criticize their manager's substitutions when they don't win.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 17, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
I'm sure supporters of every team will criticize their manager's substitutions when they don't win.

Correct! He did the right thing with the players he took off, he sent on two seasoned international players.

We should have had the three points but we didn't, next week things will be different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 18, 2014, 09:03:21 AM
Went for the safe option with about 15 mins to go bring on Yacob & sess it would have been the ideal time to give Bobby his 1st run out for us.
Was preparing the subs to come on just as we scored. Am sure Sess was one, not sure if Ideye was preparing to enter as well. Think with the goal changed his outlook somewhat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on August 18, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
Disagree to be honest
He should have made a change earlier as Sunderland had taken control
He made re first change when we went 2 1 up and tried to defend what we had far too early. This invited Sunderland to come at us more
Then made further defensive substitutions
Showed the difference between a good coach and a manager- but hopefully he will learn
Very harsh..........he'd have been criticised all the same whenever he made the changes. It was clear Brunt & Dorrans were dead on their feet. The changes were similar personnel and he still had two up top. Some changes work, others dont. We would all have been happy if we had hung on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2014, 09:23:45 AM
Still early days but if the substitutions are anything to go by then i worry.Should have totally gone out for the win when we took the lead agaisnt a poor Sunderland side at home but he decides to shut shop or is it still the influence of Downing, i am hearing the players are still running to Downing.
One encouraging thing for me about Irvine is he likes his technical area, he never sat down once
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
Was preparing the subs to come on just as we scored. Am sure Sess was one, not sure if Ideye was preparing to enter as well. Think with the goal changed his outlook somewhat.


My new seat is close to the dug out and you are right, us taking the lead changed his mind.Now this to me speaks volumes
Brown to me looked like he was about to come on until we scored
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on August 18, 2014, 09:27:52 AM
Still early days but if the substitutions are anything to go by then i worry.Should have totally gone out for the win when we took the lead agaisnt a poor Sunderland side at home but he decides to shut shop or is it still the influence of Downing, i am hearing the players are still running to Downing.
One encouraging thing for me about Irvine is he likes his technical area, he never sat down once
Where are you hearing that the players are still running to Downing from?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on August 18, 2014, 09:32:05 AM

My new seat is close to the dug out and you are right, us taking the lead changed his mind.Now this to me speaks volumes
Brown to me looked like he was about to come on until we scored

I thought it was Sess coming on but my eyesight from the Brummie is not what it used to be. Either way i still feel he should have stuck to his guns and made the positive change to put pressure on Sunderland who went 3 at the back. By then waiting and bringing on Baird was an act of inviting pressure and trying to hold the lead which we just can't do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: palmaroy on August 18, 2014, 10:01:50 AM
Where are you hearing that the players are still running to Downing from?
Would there still be negative comments if we had won 2-1 after making the same substitutions.i personally think he should of made a substitution at about 60 mins(Sessegnon).They were on top of us then,but we then went and scored.
It shows a goal can come at any time.I would say I don't like 2 players coming on at the same time .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 18, 2014, 10:08:49 AM
Still early days but if the substitutions are anything to go by then i worry.Should have totally gone out for the win when we took the lead agaisnt a poor Sunderland side at home but he decides to shut shop or is it still the influence of Downing, i am hearing the players are still running to Downing.
One encouraging thing for me about Irvine is he likes his technical area, he never sat down once
your source needs to check his facts mate not true at all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 18, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
your source needs to check his facts mate not true at all


I dont have a source.I have heard on radios and various internet media sites thats all.Like i say i am hearing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2014, 11:28:13 AM

I dont have a source.I have heard on radios and various internet media sites thats all.Like i say i am hearing.
I have seen one suggestion from somebody that on one occasion a player went over to Downing to gain instruction and it suddenly becomes an Internet theory. I was there, i didn't see it. Your seat is apparently near the dug out what did you see?.  History does get changed easily on here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 18, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
I can see the headlines now:
"Footballer and coaching staff in communication conspiracy shocker!!!"
Coaches and players talking to each other may be the way forward.
Bit revolutionary I know, but it may actually work.
 ;).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on August 18, 2014, 11:41:31 AM
Stuart White ( head of scouting ) after the game regarding Downing after the game on Twitter.

"Please be assured, he is FAR from a bad influence.  Any such rumours are UTTER nonsense.  High time they stopped."

"100% correct, Pat. Sick of reading this nonsense. Whispers become perceived reality & it's garbage."

https://twitter.com/woollywhite/with_replies

Pat Frost also says the same.

I think people are getting the wrong end of the stick regarding Downing, I have been guilty of it in the past too, but what I read coming out from people within the club seems he does not deserve the stick he gets. He was a big reason we stayed up last season, for this I am grateful.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 18, 2014, 12:29:50 PM
but that doesn't fit the conspiracy theory though mate
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 18, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
Would there still be negative comments if we had won 2-1 after making the same substitutions.i personally think he should of made a substitution at about 60 mins(Sessegnon).They were on top of us then,but we then went and scored.
It shows a goal can come at any time.I would say I don't like 2 players coming on at the same time .


For me yes more so in fact, it was the ideal time to bring Bobby on for his home Debut with no pressure on him to score.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: palmaroy on August 18, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Do anybody think there was less "Hoofball" Saturday than when Hodgson and Clarke were Managers.We were moving it quite well through the midfield.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 18, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
I thought it was Sess coming on but my eyesight from the Brummie is not what it used to be. Either way i still feel he should have stuck to his guns and made the positive change to put pressure on Sunderland who went 3 at the back. By then waiting and bringing on Baird was an act of inviting pressure and trying to hold the lead which we just can't do.

Agree Avon
I sit behind the dugout and Sess was coming on just before we scored
He then had to sit back down when we scored
Dorrans did go over to Downing but only to get a drink. Nothing untoward I feel.
I still think the substitutions invited pressure on us with Baird replacing Brunt and as they had just gone 3 at the back it was a great to  keep pressing onto them and not try to defend what we had
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 18, 2014, 01:29:02 PM
Do anybody think there was less "Hoofball" Saturday than when Hodgson and Clarke were Managers.We were moving it quite well through the midfield.

Gardner was a good outlet. Olsson was less inclined to welly it forward to nobody when Gardner got in a position to take it off him and his passing was mostly very good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 18, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
Do anybody think there was less "Hoofball" Saturday than when Hodgson and Clarke were Managers.We were moving it quite well through the midfield.

Yes, and I thought that we looked all the better for it.
Encouraging start, now let's improve the defending off the ball and cut out the silly mistakes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbatillidie on August 18, 2014, 01:41:54 PM
Not too sure what was wrong with his substitutions, it's not like we had an array of attacking options to come off the bench. Gardner had cramp and Dorrans was knackered, should we have put Ideye in midfield?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 18, 2014, 03:51:12 PM
Yes, and I thought that we looked all the better for it.
Encouraging start, now let's improve the defending off the ball and cut out the silly mistakes.
Exactly what I thought. We looked like we actually wanted to use the midfield and I thought Gardner was a really positive influence.

Like Psalm says, he was an outlet for Jonas who looked to me as if he had been working on his passing and he resisted the temptation to hit that useless diagonal long pass that has been such a feature of his game for the last few years.

I was impressed and encouraged. At half time I was talking with my cousin who has been going for even longer than me and he said he felt cause for optimism. I have to agree with him and by the end of the game, although we didn't win, I had seen enough to feel quite positive about the forthcoming season.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 18, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
Not too sure what was wrong with his substitutions, it's not like we had an array of attacking options to come off the bench. Gardner had cramp and Dorrans was knackered, should we have put Ideye in midfield?

Agree with that. Hard to see what else he could have done apart from play someone out of position and get slated for that instead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on August 18, 2014, 04:41:47 PM
If he put Brown on instead of Yacob or Baird and they equalised he would have been absolutley slated to pieces on here for not trying to 'see the game out'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 18, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
I liked the way he set us up to start the game and thought we actually kept the ball really well in the first half.
Gardener was a real influence until they realized and pressed him in the second half.
i reserve judgement on our new coach for the moment. Overall he did quite well and i would like to think he would have made more positive substitutions if we had not taken the lead, i think most of us would have been happy with the changes if we had held on.
I can see us playing with 3 at the back when Mac and Lescott come in, which is promising with the wingbacks we now have.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 19, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-dressing-room-dead-7634891 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-dressing-room-dead-7634891)

Skipper reveals Baggies were 'at rock bottom' under Pepe Mel and credits new boss Alan Irvine for galvanising the Albion dressing room

Chris Brunt has delivered a damning assessment of Pepe Mel’s West Bromwich Albion reign by revealing the dressing room was ‘dead’ and at ‘rock bottom’ under the Spaniard.

The Baggies skipper says Alan Irvine has breathed new life into a club that was going downhill fast under Mel.

“It’s a million times different,” he said. “The spirit in the dressing room had pretty much died towards the end of last season.

“The lads have been great this season and we’re working hard for each other and it’s a squad game more than ever now and you’ve got to support everybody around the place, whether you’re playing or not.

“We’ve got a good vibe around the place and the lads are doing well together and if we can keep that going we will have a good chance this season.”

Irvine’s appointment was hardly greeted with universal acclaim by the supporters but he has galvanised the dressing room, says Brunt.

“He deserves a lot of credit. His sessions have been great, the training has been brilliant and the lads have been really up for it so that’s credit to him, Rob (Kelly) and Keith (Downing).

“Last season was really poor and we are looking to lift that.

“We were pretty much at rock bottom when he took over and he has lifted us.”

Albion’s opening day draw to Sunderland had Brunt brimming with positives.

“I thought we were the better side for the whole game,” he said.

“We need to tidy up our defending of crosses into our box because that was the only time Sunderland really looked dangerous.

“In pre-season we had a couple of poor results but we’ve started to get bodies back on the training field now and I think if you look back at this time last year we’re a lot further on than we were then.

“The lads worked hard for each other and there’s a good vibe in the dressing room and we can take a lot of positives out of the game.”

Brunt was impressed with debutants Sebastien Pocognoli and Andre Wisdom.

“Seb played really well and Andre was pretty solid and they will grow into it as well,” he said.

“Seb will get used to the English game.

“He would have used a lot of adrenaline in his first game but he was pretty strong and hopefully as the season goes on he will build on that.

“Jason (Davidson) is there to give him a bit of competition too so we’re looking pretty decent at the back and hopefully we can keep that going.”

Brunt promises there is more to come from Albion who travel to much-changed Southampton and Shane Long at the weekend.

“We keep going back to the fact it’s all about the squad and once we get everybody fit and on the training field we have a decent squad of players and there will be competition for places,” he said.

“That’s a good thing and it’s important that we all get together and support each other going into games.

“We did that on Saturday and the atmosphere in the dressing room was brilliant.

“Afterwards we were disappointed but I think we were pleased with the way we played overall.

“Not winning the game was disappointing but there was a lot of stuff we could take out of it as we move on to the next one.”


Not strictly Irvine based but more positives about him and a point Brunt makes hits home for me. Irvine isn't here primarily to make us happy, that's a knock on effect of him getting the dressing room sorted and the players busting a gut for the club. His job is to coach the players that produce the performances that please us. His PR, media appearances and general reputation doesn't lead to us  winning us points, his off field work does.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 19, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-dressing-room-dead-7634891 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-dressing-room-dead-7634891)

Skipper reveals Baggies were 'at rock bottom' under Pepe Mel and credits new boss Alan Irvine for galvanising the Albion dressing room
Chris Brunt has delivered a damning assessment of Pepe Mel’s West Bromwich Albion reign by revealing the dressing room was ‘dead’ and at ‘rock bottom’ under the Spaniard.

The Baggies skipper says Alan Irvine has breathed new life into a club that was going downhill fast under Mel.

“It’s a million times different,” he said. “The spirit in the dressing room had pretty much died towards the end of last season.

“The lads have been great this season and we’re working hard for each other and it’s a squad game more than ever now and you’ve got to support everybody around the place, whether you’re playing or not.

“We’ve got a good vibe around the place and the lads are doing well together and if we can keep that going we will have a good chance this season.”

Irvine’s appointment was hardly greeted with universal acclaim by the supporters but he has galvanised the dressing room, says Brunt.

“He deserves a lot of credit. His sessions have been great, the training has been brilliant and the lads have been really up for it so that’s credit to him, Rob (Kelly) and Keith (Downing).

“Last season was really poor and we are looking to lift that.

“We were pretty much at rock bottom when he took over and he has lifted us.”

Albion’s opening day draw to Sunderland had Brunt brimming with positives.

“I thought we were the better side for the whole game,” he said.

“We need to tidy up our defending of crosses into our box because that was the only time Sunderland really looked dangerous.

“In pre-season we had a couple of poor results but we’ve started to get bodies back on the training field now and I think if you look back at this time last year we’re a lot further on than we were then.

“The lads worked hard for each other and there’s a good vibe in the dressing room and we can take a lot of positives out of the game.”

Brunt was impressed with debutants Sebastien Pocognoli and Andre Wisdom.

“Seb played really well and Andre was pretty solid and they will grow into it as well,” he said.

“Seb will get used to the English game.

“He would have used a lot of adrenaline in his first game but he was pretty strong and hopefully as the season goes on he will build on that.

“Jason (Davidson) is there to give him a bit of competition too so we’re looking pretty decent at the back and hopefully we can keep that going.”

Brunt promises there is more to come from Albion who travel to much-changed Southampton and Shane Long at the weekend.

“We keep going back to the fact it’s all about the squad and once we get everybody fit and on the training field we have a decent squad of players and there will be competition for places,” he said.

“That’s a good thing and it’s important that we all get together and support each other going into games.

“We did that on Saturday and the atmosphere in the dressing room was brilliant.

“Afterwards we were disappointed but I think we were pleased with the way we played overall.

“Not winning the game was disappointing but there was a lot of stuff we could take out of it as we move on to the next one.”


Not strictly Irvine based but more positives about him and a point Brunt makes hits home for me. Irvine isn't here primarily to make us happy, that's a knock on effect of him getting the dressing room sorted and the players busting a gut for the club. His job is to coach the players that produce the performances that please us. His PR, media appearances and general reputation doesn't lead to us  winning us points, his off field work does.



Good to hear, lets hope he can Galvanize the supporters like Pepe did.If Irvine keeps us up with good fooball along the way then i will be happy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 19, 2014, 09:04:21 AM


Good to hear, lets hope he can Galvanize the supporters like Pepe did.If Irvine keeps us up with good fooball along the way then i will be happy

Well that's part of what really interested me: a lot of us, myself included really liked Pepe Mel, who galvanised the fans but more and more looks like his actual job (coaching players) he wasn't doing a very good job at. As we were sick of all the other rubbish we went through last season, Mel stood out as bringing us hope and as a victim of the clubs spiralling situation. However, as well liked and respected by the fans as he was he wasn't by the players and it seems that Irvine's the opposite - dividing fans from the off but nailing down the head coach role well with the players. It comes down really to that. We want a guy who can galvanise the squad who in turn galvanise us with good performances, not with pity towards a likeable guy who seemed to be being shafted who was struggling on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on August 19, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
Maybe the supporters got behind Mel so much because of the very very very anti Media.I know Jack who started the flag campaign and he said it was purely because he was fed up with all aspects of Media not giving Pepe Mel any support especially Franksie

You are right, if Irvine Galvanises the players then it will inturn rubb off on us.

Look forward to Saturday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 19, 2014, 10:13:04 AM
If he put Brown on instead of Yacob or Baird and they equalised he would have been absolutley slated to pieces on here for not trying to 'see the game out'.

IF, he didnt & they did. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 19, 2014, 10:43:12 AM
Irvine is the only WBA manager I've known in my time as a supporter... :P

Obviously the wife has been around for a fair few and she has her own opinions of Irvine in comparison, but I'm prepared to give the guy a crack of the whip.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 19, 2014, 11:46:35 AM
I'm prepared to give the guy a crack of the whip.

It would appear that you are not alone.
 :D,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on August 19, 2014, 11:49:57 AM
Irvine is the only WBA manager I've known in my time as a supporter... :P

Obviously the wife has been around for a fair few and she has her own opinions of Irvine in comparison, but I'm prepared to give the guy a crack of the whip.

completely off topic, but to "give someone a fair crack of the whip" is a weird expression isn't it ?
surely a crack with a whip would be a bad thing, wouldn't it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 19, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
completely off topic, but to "give someone a fair crack of the whip" is a weird expression isn't it ?
surely a crack with a whip would be a bad thing, wouldn't it.

When driving a horse-coach, whoever has the whip also has the reins...i.e. is in charge. The saying, therefore, just means that the person never really got the chance to show what he could do if only given the opportunity.

I think.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 19, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
It would appear that you are not alone.
 :D,

Tell NE not to scroll back a few pages though Dan  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on August 19, 2014, 04:41:44 PM
Well that's part of what really interested me: a lot of us, myself included really liked Pepe Mel, who galvanised the fans but more and more looks like his actual job (coaching players) he wasn't doing a very good job at. As we were sick of all the other rubbish we went through last season, Mel stood out as bringing us hope and as a victim of the clubs spiralling situation. However, as well liked and respected by the fans as he was he wasn't by the players and it seems that Irvine's the opposite - dividing fans from the off but nailing down the head coach role well with the players. It comes down really to that. We want a guy who can galvanise the squad who in turn galvanise us with good performances, not with pity towards a likeable guy who seemed to be being shafted who was struggling on the pitch.

Pepe in hindsight was a mistake, but at the the time gave us all hope after an horrendous season. Statement from the Cap about the dressing room goes to show how really lucky we were to stay up and how divided the Club was with Fans mostly having totally opposed views to the Club and Players. The Clubs Ostrich impression at times last year had a lot to do with the state we found ourselves in, the lack of communication feeding rumour upon rumour. But the reality was a lot of us  backed what we perceived as the the only decent thing about the place given the circus we had become.

Given the manner of AIs appointment and the timing, a lot of our first reactions were surprise  and resentment and..... here we go again.

We seem miles away from that now and i believe we are in a really far far better place and we have to large degree, gotten our club and our players  back.

Lets see......for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer........id have snatched your hands off for a guaranteed 17th place a few weeks ago......after one game the heady heights of 16th beckon.







Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 19, 2014, 06:37:09 PM
Look i'm all for giving AI a fair go & i will do but i think he missed a trick saturday with 15 mins to he should have given Bobby a go when there would have been less pressure on him (like i have said in a previous post).
Sometimes its harder to play for a win than it is to go all defensive.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 19, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
Well that's part of what really interested me: a lot of us, myself included really liked Pepe Mel, who galvanised the fans but more and more looks like his actual job (coaching players) he wasn't doing a very good job at. As we were sick of all the other rubbish we went through last season, Mel stood out as bringing us hope and as a victim of the clubs spiralling situation. However, as well liked and respected by the fans as he was he wasn't by the players and it seems that Irvine's the opposite - dividing fans from the off but nailing down the head coach role well with the players. It comes down really to that. We want a guy who can galvanise the squad who in turn galvanise us with good performances, not with pity towards a likeable guy who seemed to be being shafted who was struggling on the pitch.

I think ultimately we will never know about Pepe. He really wasn't given a chance at all in my opinion.
Stepping back and looking at the whole situation, he was too much of a change too abruptly for the existing squad. Even with the changes we have made, you get the feeling that the new regime is more in keeping with how the old guard are used to it working.

Right now I'm thinking 'whatever works'. I don't want to look backwards any more and I agree the dressing room being happy is a vital ingredient for our success.

Call me greedy though; I want excitement, not contentment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on August 19, 2014, 07:24:17 PM
Maybe the supporters got behind Mel so much because of the very very very anti Media.I know Jack who started the flag campaign and he said it was purely because he was fed up with all aspects of Media not giving Pepe Mel any support especially Franksie

You are right, if Irvine Galvanises the players then it will inturn rubb off on us.

Look forward to Saturday
In fairness Irvine has had some stick already , you get the feeling the Press are waiting to pounce on him.
I hope we get behind him just as much as Mel if needed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 19, 2014, 07:28:57 PM
Quick question..

Why can't the whole of us get behind Irvine at games like we did for Mel?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 19, 2014, 07:37:46 PM
I think ultimately we will never know about Pepe. He really wasn't given a chance at all in my opinion.
Stepping back and looking at the whole situation, he was too much of a change too abruptly for the existing squad. Even with the changes we have made, you get the feeling that the new regime is more in keeping with how the old guard are used to it working.

Right now I'm thinking 'whatever works'. I don't want to look backwards any more and I agree the dressing room being happy is a vital ingredient for our success.

Call me greedy though; I want excitement, not contentment.

My hopes of excitement for this season at least are long gone. I'll take a solid 16th with no fuss this season now and hopefully Irvine and his successor can deliver this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 19, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
We played better football against Sunderland than we ever did under Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: telford baggie on August 19, 2014, 07:40:17 PM
its not just irvine its the whole team atmosphere is rubbish up the albion and has been for a while..but cause irvine wasnt wanted i dont think he will get the backing at any point
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 19, 2014, 07:42:39 PM
We played better football against Sunderland than we ever did under Mel.

We kept possession against a team that sat back and didn't press us. Nothing more. Lots of people getting carried away with a point at home against a very poor side who despite the heroics at the end of last season will be down with the dead men again this year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on August 19, 2014, 07:55:09 PM
Sorry, but the new optimism has passed me by so far. I still think AI was a terrible appointment, and it's going to take a lot more than a 2-2 draw at home to Sunderland to change my mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 19, 2014, 08:09:46 PM
We kept possession against a team that sat back and didn't press us. Nothing more. Lots of people getting carried away with a point at home against a very poor side who despite the heroics at the end of last season will be down with the dead men again this year.

Pretty much the same as all the teams around us played against us last season and we struggled to break them down on the edge of their box. They all then hit us on the counter and we lost.

We were slightly more savvy against the counter but let ourselves down by once again giving needless freekicks away where they lobbed the ball in the box and for years now we have never been able to defend against.

We had our best season under Hodgson and start to a season under Clarke when we used to hit teams on the counter attack, quick and fast and where you don't have to break down  defenders around a penalty area.  We will continue to struggle to score goals unless we start doing that again because we aren't good enough to keep possession and we aren't good enough and have players to break down the opposition.

Germany won the world cup counter attacking.. Argentina got to the final doing it... Holland thrashed Spain..

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 19, 2014, 08:10:02 PM
We kept possession against a team that sat back and didn't press us. Nothing more. Lots of people getting carried away with a point at home against a very poor side who despite the heroics at the end of last season will be down with the dead men again this year.

A team who finished 14th and probably similar in quality to most teams outside the top 7. The fact is I saw no evidence of this terrible football Irvine would apparently have us playing, just a team who worked hard for each other and played some very good stuff at times. The fans applauded at full time which proves the majority were happy with what they saw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on August 19, 2014, 08:11:19 PM
We kept possession against a team that sat back and didn't press us. Nothing more. Lots of people getting carried away with a point at home against a very poor side who despite the heroics at the end of last season will be down with the dead men again this year.

Agreed. Quite a few (who have a point to prove perhaps) have been all over Saturday's result. In reality, it was two points dropped against a really poor Sunderland team. Lets see how the next two games go before we start to proclaim Irvine as Corberan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on August 19, 2014, 08:17:23 PM
Well said Jacko, Sunderland offered little and 2 pts dropped Saturday the season will not fill me with hope as for Brunts statement it appears  Mel was not given a chance by the players and we escaped by the skin of our teeth lets hope lessons have been learnt i am unsure at the present moment but i will continue to support the club  good times and  bad
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 19, 2014, 08:22:20 PM
A really poor team who finished above us last season and they even released the player who ended up being our man of the match Saturday. Sunderland were poor because we pressed them and didn't let them play their possession game that Poyet usually has them playing. If we beat Southampton will it be how they are a poor team too?  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on August 19, 2014, 08:26:19 PM
A really poor team who finished above us last season and they even released the player who ended up being our man of the match Saturday. Sunderland were poor because we pressed them and didn't let them play their possession game that Poyet usually has them playing. If we beat Southampton will it be how they are a poor team too?  :-X

Finishing above us last season is no great achievement as we were abysmal. Yes, I believe they are a poor team - especially without Borini. It was a match at home against the type of opponent we need to target 3 points from.

There's a lot of 'ifs' with the whole Irvine debate, 'if' we stay up, 'if' we get relegated, 'if' we beat ....lets cross that bridge when we get to it eh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 19, 2014, 08:31:30 PM

I said at the start of the season I would give him 10 games before making up my mind. After the first game I was happy with the way we approached the game, the players also looked well drilled in their roles. The substitutions I felt theor was a hint of panic in the changes which lead to us conceding.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on August 19, 2014, 08:49:47 PM
The subs were driven by injury and fatigue, not tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on August 19, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
The subs were driven by injury and fatigue, not tactics.

I disagree. We had a sub ready to come on and even the board was ready. We scored and he was made to go and sit back down. So if that isn't tactics i oon't know what is?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 19, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
I disagree. We had a sub ready to come on and even the board was ready. We scored and he was made to go and sit back down. So if that isn't tactics i oon't know what is?
Sess was being brought on to give more attacking options when we were drawing but didn't come on when we took the lead. Good decision because we were able to make subs in response to injury and fatigue that we wouldn't have been able to if we had made an unnecessary tactical sub.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on August 20, 2014, 12:22:18 AM
Irvine seems very keen to have 3 centre backs as an option. If the 2 wing backs are expected to play deep that's a very defensive set up, unless you are going to dispense with the deep lying midfielder.
You need 5 attacking players if you are going to take the game to the opposition, which at home I would have thought was a must. Otherwise you are inviting pressure onto you.
I hope also there is no complacency with Saturday's performance in terms of, the current squad will do. If Saido gets injured or more likely, has a dip in form, we need other attacking options. I think we may regret getting rid of Amalfitano, unless we are about to bring in an attacking widemen, who is better. It looks like they are still scratching around trying to find someone. Otherwise the team is going to be too narrow. It's fine saying the wing backs will get forward, but are they then also expected to play as full backs?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
I am pretty sure Alan Irvine writes on this message board
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 20, 2014, 09:02:36 AM
I am pretty sure Alan Irvine writes on this message board on this board
Had similar feelings about Sherwood writing on here in the lead up to our announcement of Head Coach myself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on August 20, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
Irvine seems very keen to have 3 centre backs as an option. If the 2 wing backs are expected to play deep that's a very defensive set up, unless you are going to dispense with the deep lying midfielder.
You need 5 attacking players if you are going to take the game to the opposition, which at home I would have thought was a must. Otherwise you are inviting pressure onto you.
I hope also there is no complacency with Saturday's performance in terms of, the current squad will do. If Saido gets injured or more likely, has a dip in form, we need other attacking options. I think we may regret getting rid of Amalfitano, unless we are about to bring in an attacking widemen, who is better. It looks like they are still scratching around trying to find someone. Otherwise the team is going to be too narrow. It's fine saying the wing backs will get forward, but are they then also expected to play as full backs?

The wing backs in a 3-5-2 are generally attacking players although they do need to get up and down. The 3 at the back and central midfielders do have to cover the gaps they leave when play breaks down.

In any event Irvine has said we are in the market for two additional players and there is no reason to believe the club will not strengthen further between now and deadline day. I don't think we will regret the departure of Amalfitano not least because of his patchy form and given recent incidents at Marseille his attitude might not have been the best.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 20, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
I am pretty sure Alan Irvine writes on this message board

As whom?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
As whom?


cant say but he knows who he is, a little like Jack with Pepe, thinks the sun shines and all that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on August 20, 2014, 10:45:21 AM

cant say but he knows who he is, a little like Jack with Pepe, thinks the sun shines and all that

Well that's no help. Going to spend my spare time filtering peoples posts now  :o ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
I am pretty sure Alan Irvine writes on this message board

Funniest thing i've read in a long while.  ;D

Irvine doesn't post on here, not a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 20, 2014, 11:17:35 AM

cant say but he knows who he is, a little like Jack with Pepe, thinks the sun shines and all that
Sure it isn't you Glyn under a different name, we all know you love Alan Irvine deep down :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 20, 2014, 11:36:31 AM
Sure it isn't you Glyn under a different name, we all know you love Alan Irvine deep down :D

Back To Irvine, hes lovely really  :P
I will let you know more how i feel about him after Saturday, Team selection, formation, tactical awareness, subs etc
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 20, 2014, 12:07:37 PM

cant say but he knows who he is, a little like Jack with Pepe, thinks the sun shines and all that

Don't see why you can't say. If you have a suspicion then name names, what harm could it do since you seem sure you're right?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 20, 2014, 12:30:39 PM
Can you keep conspiracy theories off the forum please and stick to the actual topic.

Thanks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 20, 2014, 12:41:20 PM
Can you keep conspiracy theories off the forum please and stick to the actual topic.

Thanks
I reckon its Oldbury !!

Been on here since we "ahem" turned him down when interviewed previously........LMFAO !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
I reckon its Oldbury !!

Been on here since we "ahem" turned him down when interviewed previously........LMFAO !!

Nah Oldbury is definitely the 2nd iteration of Dorrans' missus on here  :o ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 20, 2014, 01:05:04 PM
Nah Oldbury is definitely the 2nd iteration of Dorrans' missus on here  :o ;D

does that make you brunty mate  ;D (sorry couldn't resist) 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 20, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
does that make you brunty mate  ;D (sorry couldn't resist)

Beat me to it  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
does that make you brunty mate  ;D (sorry couldn't resist)

Touché  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on August 22, 2014, 11:28:13 PM
Just as well we didn't appoint Malky Mackay!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on August 22, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
Just as well we didn't appoint Malky Mackay!

His 'friendly banter' would have been good though 😊
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 23, 2014, 08:26:31 PM
Better defending today, must have worked on it in the week
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 23, 2014, 08:45:05 PM
If we are in the bottom 3 come Christmas then he should go. I reckon the board will give him until February 2015 though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 23, 2014, 08:46:26 PM
Will be in charge for 2 full seasons IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 23, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
I was a bit nonplussed about his appointment I admit. But today we looked solid and executed a good game plan.

Last time I saw an Albion team like that was back when Roy was here. If this keeps up, he's definetly going to win me over and be here for the foreseeable future... at least 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Not even going to respond, too soon, inappropriate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 23, 2014, 08:56:24 PM
Give the bloke a chance . There is more fight and organisation about us now .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 23, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
i agree with last post, organised today, a lot better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
We've played two sides who will be right down there with us at the end of the season and have competed well without winning. We go to Swansea who have a 100 percent record before hosting Everton and then travelling to a Spurs. I can't see where we will get 3 points from. 2014 for me I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 23, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
We've played two sides who will be right down there with us at the end of the season and have competed well without winning. We go to Swansea who have a 100 percent record before hosting Everton and then travelling to a Spurs. I can't see where we will get 3 points from. 2014 for me I'm afraid.

everyone has to play each other, first home game and first away game, 6 points would be nice but weaint got them, I can see a couple more points out the next few games. It's the premier league any team can beat anyone on any given day
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 24, 2014, 12:19:06 AM
He'll still be here this time next season I have no doubt about that. Doing a cracking job so far, the players are happy playing for him and are also playing as a team. We've been the better team in both games and with the new players still to come in I think we'll have a good season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 24, 2014, 12:21:39 AM
He'll still be here this time next season I have no doubt about that. Doing a cracking job so far, the players are happy playing for him and are also playing as a team. We've been the better team in both games and with the new players still to come in I think we'll have a good season.

It's still early days and in the modern game a whole season is a very long time - so it's hard to predict that far down the line (remember how rapidly Steve Clarke's football/tactics went down hill?)

BUT - I agree, so far he's done well and has got us looking organised. Credit where it's due, it's early days but the initial signs are that he will do ok
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2014, 01:17:23 AM
About 75% happy with what I've seen so far. Thought that we were generally much better against Sunderland than we'd been in pre season but I was worried by the same inability to defend set pieces and crosses from the right in particular. Pocognoli is a huge improvement on Ridgewell but I'm not too sure about Wisdom..I think maybe we missed a trick in not getting Kelly instead.

Thought the subs against Sunderland were the wrong choices but accept that injuries may have forced his hand. I would have subbed Dorrans or Gardner for Yacob, Brunt for Sessegnon and Brown for Berahino..rather than making the more defensive subs that he made. I accept that he wanted us to defend a lead but as the Sunderland defence had looked shaky all game I think Brown would have given us a decent outlet and been a player Sunderland would have been worried about.

Decent point against Soton. BUT the radio commentary did highlight Wisdom as a concern. This seems to be a reoccurring theme. As I have said from seeing Wisdom in the flesh I think we got the wrong player. He doesn't seem like any improvement on Jones at all. I just hope Gamboa starts to play soon.

I'm okay with things at the moment but we could do with picking up 3 points from a game sooner rather than later. Not sure that will happen against Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on August 24, 2014, 02:02:28 AM
There are signs that he is having a positive influence on the team, clearly appear more organised, for those who saw the game yesterday I was in no doubt that he was running that team.

To be far he has IMO opinion better options then last season, the new signings have started really well, I agree about Wisdom and looking forward to Lescott and Gammy coming in.

I wanted to make a point about people's expectations. There are teams in this league that will dominate throughout the game and some that will share domination. Yesterday was a perfect example of shared domination, we had 30 mins they had 30 mins. It's how we cope when we are against it and I thought yesterday we did well. Forster kept them in the game a few times and we defended as a unit with our midfield standing out for me.

Happy with AI, happy with the new players and happy with the start. A lot to work on but also a lot achieved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2014, 02:10:08 AM
Will not vote on this out of principle: as far as I'm concerned as a fan that liked Mel, and was angry at his lack of support, Alan has had a positive impact in my own opinion. A happy, solid, hard working Albion makes a happy, solid fan base. He's got to win over some, those who wanted him to be given a chance have and it's clear that any thoughts that he was clueless and out his depth at this level are seeming premature. I won't put an estimate on his time here because what I want is the team doing well and playing well. As long as that continues, as I want, so will Alans tenure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 24, 2014, 03:56:56 AM
Will not vote on this out of principle: as far as I'm concerned as a fan that liked Mel, and was angry at his lack of support, Alan has had a positive impact in my own opinion. A happy, solid, hard working Albion makes a happy, solid fan base. He's got to win over some, those who wanted him to be given a chance have and it's clear that any thoughts that he was clueless and out his depth at this level are seeming premature. I won't put an estimate on his time here because what I want is the team doing well and playing well. As long as that continues, as I want, so will Alans tenure.

Well said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mateinone on August 24, 2014, 04:16:23 AM
I was not happy with his appointment, but this is a distasteful poll.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 24, 2014, 06:12:06 AM
I was not happy with his appointment, but this is a distasteful poll.

Compared to the rest of the stuff in this thread, it's an odd vote of confidence even to have choices in 2015.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 24, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
We played well Yesterday against a pretty decent team. We still have a number of players to come into the team Samaras, Lescott, Gamboa, once Brown gets more game time I'm sure he will look a lot more dangerous. We looked very solid at the back Yesterday something which we didn't have last season. I was livid when I first heard the news about Irvine, but the signings and Yesterdays result and performance has given me some confidence that he will do a decent enough job for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 24, 2014, 08:58:07 AM
I was not happy with his appointment, but this is a distasteful poll.

I didnt do it to be distasteful, just wondered what everyone thought. As Quakes said, the turnaround in opinions (from June) is quite amazing and who would have thought any fan would have opted for 2015!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2014, 09:55:06 AM
I didnt do it to be distasteful, just wondered what everyone thought. As Quakes said, the turnaround in opinions (from June) is quite amazing and who would have thought any fan would have opted for 2015!

I am sorry but the poll just shows your logic Irvine is rubbish therefore he won't survive more than 18 months. I am still in wait and see mode but for what it is worth Peace has nailed his colours to the mast with this appointment and Irvine is not fashionable so won't get poached therefore provided he doesn't have a run of 10 games at less than a point game he will be with us for a while. The fact that he was at one point favourite for the sack race was a joke and people who backed him were always making a contribution to the bookies.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bournemouth baggie on August 24, 2014, 10:29:23 AM
I didnt do it to be distasteful, just wondered what everyone thought. As Quakes said, the turnaround in opinions (from June) is quite amazing and who would have thought any fan would have opted for 2015!
As the biggest vote so far is Other I take it more and more of us are thinking this sort of poll IS unnecessarily distateful and are getting behind AI. If he does go in 2015 let's hope its because he gets poached.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2014, 10:43:57 AM
I thought it was a poor appointment but first signs are promising.  He seems to be well liked and well respected by the players, has been backed well by JP and TB with transfers (and seemingly with more to come), and as a club we seem to be all pulling in the same direction (unlike the previous 18 months). 

Our primary objective is to stay up, and as things stand the signs look promising that we have enough talent in a well-organised squad to achieve that.  The only missing ingredient is wide players, and hopefully that will get addressed over the next week before the transfer window closes.

At this stage, a cautious "thumbs up" that we are looking in decent shape with good reason to feel optimistic about the season ahead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2014, 11:25:41 AM
There have been plenty of positives from the opening two fixtures - you can gloss over them if you want.

- we look very organised
- we are retaining possession very well
- we are competitive
- the players seem to be responding to his methods

Those four are particularly important purely because all four of them were elements that were missing from our play last season. We were disjointed, unorganised and I think rabble would be the worst most appropriate. As it stands we are unbeaten and have picked up two points from sides that will be competing in and around us come the end of the season. Furthermore, you could make arguements that we really could be sitting on six points given we edged both games - certainly in terms of chances created.

In addition to that we haven't finalised our summer recruitment, our two best centre halves are currently injured, our new forward isn't fully fit and our new exciting full back is currently improving his fitness. Also, the club are looking to improve our options with the signing of a winger.

I was majorly unimpressed with Irvine and there is plenty of work to do but I have been impressed so far with the way we have played and the way our players have responded too him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 24, 2014, 12:03:32 PM
Hodgson-esque performance yesterday. Solid. Good foundations on which to build.

Our desire should be to get back to the Hodgson stability of a few years ago - all be it with a little more attacking/fluid football at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2014, 12:17:36 PM
Need to start winning games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 24, 2014, 01:00:46 PM
The only difference i see between him & PM on & off the pitch is he has a completely different squad & the backing of the yes players & JP but to not give the man a fair go is not the Albion way. :(
It's a sign of the times i suppose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 24, 2014, 05:43:15 PM
Great buys thus far from Irvine in my opinion. I'm going to put my neck out and say that a lot of his purchases have been very shrewd so far. Great strategy.

He is putting together a very useful squad by doing business that stays away from the sensationalist buy. It's a strategy that has done wonders for a fair few teams in recent  years.

Keep it up AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
He will have an input on who comes in but not all down to Irvine. Days of managers/ coaches dictating who they want are gone at this club, whether thats right has both pro's and con's. The club suggest players and he apparently has the final say on yes or no to that player. The players they are suggesting to him he would be a fool to turn down.

By the international break he will have a full compliment to choose from (depending on the Lescott injury) and thats when the pressure will be on him a bit more, upto him to prove he is the man to gel them together and prove the doubters (myself very much included) that we are wrong. I will be delighted to be proved wrong by him and Jeremy Peace as they are the only ones who count.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 24, 2014, 05:48:36 PM
Great buys thus far from Irvine in my opinion. I'm going to put my neck out and say that a lot of his purchases have been very shrewd so far. Great strategy.

He is putting together a very useful squad by doing business that stays away from the sensationalist buy. It's a strategy that has done wonders for a fair few teams in recent  years.

Keep it up AI.

Transfers aren't really Irvine's responsibility; targets are identified by our scouting and recruitment department, and though AI will get final approval (like royal assent on a bill passed through Parliament), it's more the work of Terry Burton and Mervyn Day we're seeing here.

Ultimately, Irvine has to be judged on the pitch, where (for me) there are positive signs so far, but a long way still to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 24, 2014, 05:53:27 PM
Great buys thus far from Irvine in my opinion. I'm going to put my neck out and say that a lot of his purchases have been very shrewd so far. Great strategy.

He is putting together a very useful squad by doing business that stays away from the sensationalist buy. It's a strategy that has done wonders for a fair few teams in recent  years.

Keep it up AI.

To be fair Mukka, thats not quite how it works at the Albion, whilst I was one of the 'lets back Alan Irvine' brigade, I'm afraid he can't take a lot of the credit for the players we've signed, that goes down to a lot of work done within the scouting system, although AI may have had some consultation the majority of the decision's on player recruitment are made by the DOF & above.

I would add Irvine seems to be doing an excellent job at the moment & I think he's won over a fair few doubters.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
I think AI can now have no excuses. Excellent work on the transfer side of things this summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 24, 2014, 06:00:23 PM
Forgive me. Still on a learning curve, obviously.

 ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2014, 06:18:58 PM
To be fair Mukka, thats not quite how it works at the Albion, whilst I was one of the 'lets back Alan Irvine' brigade, I'm afraid he can't take a lot of the credit for the players we've signed, that goes down to a lot of work done within the scouting system, although AI may have had some consultation the majority of the decision's on player recruitment are made by the DOF & above.

I would add Irvine seems to be doing an excellent job at the moment & I think he's won over a fair few doubters.

Irvine can only be judged on the playing side because his transfer involvement has been minimal, but I agree, so far, so good, may it continue because, player wise, he has the tools to do the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2014, 09:31:49 PM
Forgive me. Still on a learning curve, obviously.

 ;D

You sound like Dave Jones talking about a learning curve.

You want to stop that  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 24, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
You sound like Dave Jones talking about a learning curve.

You want to stop that  ;D

 :P

Will do.

How about an educational angle?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2014, 09:44:59 PM
:P

Will do.

How about an educational angle?

When Dave Jones was losing the plot it went from talk of a learning curve to talking about wild animals.

I've naturally assumed that anybody who says 'learning curve' will copy him in talking about badgers, dogs & 'osses.  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 24, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
When Dave Jones was losing the plot it went from talk of a learning curve to talking about wild animals.

I've naturally assumed that anybody who says 'learning curve' will copy him in talking about badgers, dogs & 'osses.  :D

Horses for courses, mate. Don't badger me about it. I'm dog tired of this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2014, 09:31:23 AM
I think AI can now have no excuses. Excellent work on the transfer side of things this summer.
I must admit to being disappointed at not getting the chance to see how Pepe Mel would utilise these new players. I am slightly concerned that Sessegnon isn't being seen as first choice by Irvine. It can't be that he's regarded as not being match-fit, although he did miss pre-season training, and hence the tactical planning, for a while. I hope he's back in the side soon, as it will undoubtedly increase our goal threat and it'll be great to see how well he combines with Bobby.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on August 25, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
I'm really pleased that the AI era has got off to a steady start, though 3 points next Saturday (and a victory over Oxford tomorrow) would turn it into a great start going into the International break.

It's clear we haven't had the best of pre-seasons due to injuries and awaiting new arrivals, but there seems to be a real work ethic and unity that was seriously lacking for most of the second half of last season.

Unless the key Albion personnel are working in unity we've got little chance of survival at this level, and for the first time since the Hodgson era, it now feels as if they are all singing off the same hymn sheet (so to speak).

My pre-season prediction of 50 points, might have been a tad over optimistic at the time, but I feel with this squad it might just be achievable, and personally I'm very content with the new Coaching team.

Clearly we'll be get beaten on a fairly regular basis, as will every club not competing for the top 6 places, and it wouldn't matter if we had the best and highest profile Coach in the world, that would still be the case, as you can only achieve so much when you're financial budget is limited in comparison to the majority of your competitors.

But I find the positive vibes and unity very encouraging and genuinely hope AI is with us for the long haul.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 25, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
To be fair when I heard AI was appointed I was a bit shocked! On looking deeper into things he seemed as if he had the credentials to give it a go, so to speak. So far our first two games have shown me we seem to be more disciplined and working together better than the mess of last season.
We have not had all our players together for weeks, still people to join/move in my own opinion and due to this our team is still not 'together' we still don't know our best 11!
My honest feeling is he has done ok thus far but we won't see our full potential until minimum after international break, I for one am sat with a new optimism about our season on first glimpses!
Go get them Alan!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 25, 2014, 11:56:09 AM
I certainly don't think we'll lose games that we would otherwise have done last year...

Southampton and Sunderland being a case in point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2014, 01:31:20 PM
I certainly don't think we'll lose games that we would otherwise have done last year...

Southampton and Sunderland being a case in point.

We're a point worse off than from the corresponding fixtures last year. It's the draws that kill you mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 25, 2014, 02:11:27 PM
Liked his comments in the after-match interview when asked about tomorrows game with Oxford in the cup. He stressed that we WOULD NOT be taking the match lightly and would field our first eleven.

At last  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 25, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
Liked his comments in the after-match interview when asked about tomorrows game with Oxford in the cup. He stressed that we WOULD NOT be taking the match lightly and would field our first eleven.

At last  8)

He needs to really, its a new team that needs "playing together time" to jell
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 25, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
We're a point worse off than from the corresponding fixtures last year. It's the draws that kill you mate.
We are also 2 points better off than this time last year. It's defeats that kill you mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 25, 2014, 05:07:11 PM
I'm rarely concerned by drawing any match. Heck drawing all 38 games would probably see you safe in this league.

I certainly don't complain when we draw away from home in the PL. Win what games you can at home and try not to lose away and any team should be fine.

Another thing to bear in mind. We have a lot of new players who are still familiarising themselves with the team and a number of players who are not yet fit yet and/or injured which means we haven't yet seen our best 11. Our present situation could be a lot worse than 2 points in 2 games that's for sure.

There is nothing to worry about yet as we should only look better and better once we get key players back and they have been evaluated and integrated into the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 26, 2014, 02:20:56 PM
i was very anti AI's appointment. but everything I'm hearing and seeing is positive.

very much looking forward to being proven wrong.

it is too early to tell yet though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2014, 03:30:41 PM
We are also 2 points better off than this time last year. It's defeats that kill you mate.

better to win 2 and lose 3 than draw 5. We were in the mire last season because of too many draws.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 26, 2014, 03:45:52 PM
better to win 2 and lose 3 than draw 5. We were in the mire last season because of too many draws.

Flipside: we're in the Premier League this season because of them.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
better to win 2 and lose 3 than draw 5. We were in the mire last season because of too many draws.

That really depends who you lose against. Getting 5 points is better than getting 6 if the games you lost have let other relegation candidates beat you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 26, 2014, 04:14:22 PM
Liked his comments in the after-match interview when asked about tomorrows game with Oxford in the cup. He stressed that we WOULD NOT be taking the match lightly and would field our first eleven.

At last  8)
He needs to because he needs a win. If this goes wrong the knife sharpeners will be out if not the blades themselves !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chrissybear on August 26, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
better to win 2 and lose 3 than draw 5. We were in the mire last season because of too many draws.

Points wise, that's mathematically true.

But you cannot underestimate the psychological effect of not losing too.  In that sense draws may not be that bad.

For example, from Saturday, we have a point away from home and a clean sheet. Is that psychologically if not mathematically better than beating Sunderland and losing to the Saints? Ok we are a point worse off in that hypothetical situation, but unbeaten and have a clean sheet already this season.

Cause for optimism!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2014, 09:43:44 PM
He needs to because he needs a win. If this goes wrong the knife sharpeners will be out if not the blades themselves !
Some have had them out before the season even started  :-X

The majority of our support will give him time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
Liked his comments in the after-match interview when asked about tomorrows game with Oxford in the cup. He stressed that we WOULD NOT be taking the match lightly and would field our first eleven.

At last  8)

it's going well
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on August 26, 2014, 10:03:05 PM
Same mistake made by Alan Irvine in the Oxford game as in the Sunderland game. When momentum starts to swing away from you, you need to make positive substitutions to try and kill off the game. Reverting to trying to see the game out rarely works- Irvine has been reactive when he needs to be proactive. Attacking is the best way to take the pressure off the defence- sitting back and trying to hold out for the win tends to end in tears. Three defensive midfielders on at the end of both games is a joke, and then you end up searching for a winner with what you have...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2014, 10:12:26 PM
We should have been about 3-0 up in the first half, missed chances cost us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Same mistake made by Alan Irvine in the Oxford game as in the Sunderland game. When momentum starts to swing away from you, you need to make positive substitutions to try and kill off the game. Reverting to trying to see the game out rarely works- Irvine has been reactive when he needs to be proactive. Attacking is the best way to take the pressure off the defence- sitting back and trying to hold out for the win tends to end in tears. Three defensive midfielders on at the end of both games is a joke, and then you end up searching for a winner with what you have...

i agree but i was berated when i mentioned the sunderland subs just before they scored. you stay like for like and put a forward with fresh legs on to work the hell out of their defence. putting an extra defender or defensive midfielder means they push one extra up and their defence has so much time on the ball they can cherry pick the passes.

You defend from the front, with your forwards closing down the defence and not giving them time to relax so they make mistakes and give us the ball back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2014, 10:16:01 PM
We should have been about 3-0 up in the first half, missed chances cost us.
stop defending him.its pathetic performance,embarrassing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2014, 10:18:12 PM
stop defending him.its pathetic performance,embarrassing
Pathetic team performance?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on August 26, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
i agree but i was berated when i mentioned the sunderland subs just before they scored. you stay like for like and put a forward with fresh legs on to work the hell out of their defence. putting an extra defender or defensive midfielder means they push one extra up and their defence has so much time on the ball they can cherry pick the passes.

You defend from the front, with your forwards closing down the defence and not giving them time to relax so they make mistakes and give us the ball back.
Absolutely. Basic tactics really. I've tried not to prejudge Irvine and just go off what I see, but I've already seen worrying parallels with what Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans have said about unambitious and even incomprehensible decisions. The appointment still beggars belief really- the best predictor of a managers success is their past performance. Inconceivably, it seems that was completely ignored by Jeremy Peace, and moreso Terry Burton who recommended him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 26, 2014, 10:22:41 PM
PMSL.  :D

Was wandering how long it would take you to appear. Don't base him on 1 f****** game. Base him on the season.
you honestly think he´ll last the season ?? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 26, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
you honestly think he´ll last the season ?? ??? ???
no chance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2014, 10:24:23 PM
lets see if he will go with 3 central defenders and 2 wing backs, because that aint working at united.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on August 26, 2014, 10:35:32 PM
PMSL.  :D

Was wandering how long it would take you to appear. Don't base him on 1 f****** game. Base him on the season.

on what he's shown so far he won't be here to see the new year in. he needs to learn quickly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2014, 10:39:17 PM
if we dont win the weekend then we have Everton and Spuds, so we could be on 5 games with 2 points, 6 pointer against Burnley, if we get nothing in that game its onto Liverpool and Man Utd, 8 games and 2 points. Then he has 2 games to save his job palace and leicester, so feasibly he could be out by the end of the first week in November.

Lets face it with our run in we would need more than 2 points in the first 10 games.

However if we win the weekend, beat burnley and then get 4 points against Leicester and Palace then with 12 points we wont be doing too bad.

It's a fine line whether he will keep his job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 10:40:48 PM
In Alan we trust.... Blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2014, 10:49:16 PM
Totally and utterly clueless .top coach my ass
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on August 26, 2014, 10:49:38 PM
Totally and utterly clueless .top coach my ass

You sound gutted... :D

Though there was some worrying decisions made from him that game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2014, 10:49:51 PM
Get rid, I can not stand anymore negative sh!te! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
Totally and utterly clueless .top coach my ass
Amen to that!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
Undefeated in three games and through to the next round of the cup.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
Undefeated in three games and through to the next round of the cup.

you aint wrong, you should write a labour party sexed up manifesto  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Undefeated in three games and through to the next round of the cup.

Nothing like putting a positive spin on things. Do you write up the official website articles by any chance?

How about two draws to teams we should be beating and scraping through on penalties against a team three leagues below us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2014, 10:53:05 PM
I told you Ted writes on here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 10:53:10 PM
Nothing like putting a positive spin on things. Do you write up the official website articles by any chance?

How about two draws to teams we should be beating and scraping through on penalties against a team three leagues below us.

If you think we should be beating Southampton away you're deluded. Drawing to Sunderland is hardly a catastrophe either.

Clearly though after 3 games all hope is lost. We should sack him, and Man U should get rid of Van Gaal, what a joker he is. All those titles in Germany and Spain mean nothing when you can't do it in the first 3 games of the English season.

Totally and utterly clueless .top coach my ass

Funny looking 10 games you gave him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Nothing like putting a positive spin on things. Do you write up the official website articles by any chance?

How about two draws to teams we should be beating and scraping through on penalties against a team three leagues below us.

Why should we be beating Southampton?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on August 26, 2014, 10:54:16 PM
Football is a results business and we are (somehow) still unbeaten.

Maybe AI saw enough tonight to know that more ins and outs are necessary between now and next Monday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 10:54:25 PM
If you think we should be beating Southampton away you're deluded.

I would have liked to have hoped the club would have had Southampton down as a winnable game, if not, we might as well throw in the towel now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Why should we be beating Southampton?

Team torn apart by the vultures of the league and their squad is not a patch on what it was last season and like I replied to Dan: I would have liked to have hoped the club would have had Southampton down as a winnable game, if not, we might as well throw in the towel now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on August 26, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
Team torn apart by the vultures of the league and their squad is not a patch on what it was last season and like I replied to Dan: I would have liked to have hoped the club would have had Southampton down as a winnable game, if not, we might as well throw in the towel now.

A potentially winnable game maybe.

yes let's throw the towel in because we didn't beat Southampton
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
I would have liked to have hoped the club would have had Southampton down as a winnable game, if not, we might as well throw in the towel now.

It's winnable but not a game you should be pointing at and saying its bad that we didn't win it. Had Pepe Mel got a point at Southampton I'm not so sure you'd be saying its a bad result.

It seems pretty clear to me that certain posters are more concerned with being proven correct that they're never going to give Irvine a fair chance. You'd think we'd lost all 3 games 5-0 with yours and Devon's posts. Even if we had its a strange lack of time. Premier league teams getting knocked out the early stages of the league and FA cup is not particularly unusual, nor is scraping past them.

It was a poor result and performance but the side still got through. It's foolish to draw conclusions from a cup tie, I suspect its the same people who predicted 3,4,5 goal losses to Sunderland because we played badly in a pre-season friendly. Nine premier league sides played today and four of them went out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2014, 11:00:02 PM
Team torn apart by the vultures of the league and their squad is not a patch on what it was last season and like I replied to Dan: I would have liked to have hoped the club would have had Southampton down as a winnable game, if not, we might as well throw in the towel now.

To be fair we had the best chances in the Southampton game, they had one free kick that hit the post that's it. They went to Anfield a week earlier and were very impressive which is why a point at St Mary's is a good result. We've gone from posters saying they are encouraged by Irvine to wanting him out after Oxford equalise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 11:00:45 PM
A potentially winnable game maybe.

yes let's throw the towel in because we didn't beat Southampton

I didn't say let's throw in the towel because we didn't beat them. I said if we haven't got Southampton down as a winnable game then we might as well throw in the towel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mikehy on August 26, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
Al is to defensive and should go now before gets his hands on best squad we had in years
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 26, 2014, 11:11:37 PM


AL started out very attacking. Oxford treated the 2nd half as their cup final and fair play to them. No faults with his tactics from me, the blame for extra time should be placed on the strikers for missing so many chances.

Unbeaten in three  :)



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 26, 2014, 11:12:50 PM
I think tonight, AI has undone some of the promising work of the first few games.

Went far too defensive, and yet again we concede a late goal - need to see out games. It's definitely a psychological thing.

Expect a response on the weekend. Moreover, I expect an honest opinion/assessment from AI tonight, not the usual watered down, PR friendly nonsense we used to get off Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 26, 2014, 11:13:25 PM

AL started out very attacking. Oxford treated the 2nd half as their cup final and fair play to them. No faults with his tactics from me, the blame for extra time should be placed on the strikers for missing so many chances.

Unbeaten in three  :)

Hardly City, Chelsea and Arsenal though!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: palmaroy on August 26, 2014, 11:14:33 PM
The one thing I would highlight is that only TWO players started tonight who would be in most people's First Eleven.just remember that while you are dishing out the critiscisms
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2014, 11:14:50 PM
I will judge AI after the Everton game, it's still far too early.

Whilst this may not go down well with fans, here's a little secret which most managers up and down the country agree on - not including the top 6 of course...basically cup competitions are seen as 'secondary' - of course, we should have still easily beaten a near-conference side which is no excuse, but by the same token I imagine we will be pouring in more than double the effort/preparation into the Swansea game on Saturday as it's seen as more important.

As I said, I will judge him after Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 26, 2014, 11:14:56 PM
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He's been widely dubbed as the worst manager Sheffield Wednesday have ever appointed.

A man who took a stable Championship club to a relegation battle in league one...

Just let that sink in.


My brother in law is a BIG OWL 'S fan & would agree with that statement 100%. he hasnt stopped tacking the pee for the last 15 mins my phones on melt down.
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Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

According to my brother-in-law rubbish 


Im all for giving AI a chance now that he's in charge But looks like the brother in law was right about him being very negative in his style of play so come on AI lets see you pull some thing out of the hat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 26, 2014, 11:21:57 PM
We missed enough chances in that first half to have won 6 games of football. Irvine doesn't play up front for us, he can only coach so if anything, he has got us creating, its up to the strikers to convert.

My jury is still out on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 26, 2014, 11:30:59 PM
We missed enough chances in that first half to have won 6 games of football. Irvine doesn't play up front for us, he can only coach so if anything, he has got us creating, its up to the strikers to convert.

My jury is still out on him.

I didn't go to the match so I genuinely can't comment, but could you explain the quality of the chances? to be fair a lot of people who went are saying the same thing - although you have to admit on paper it looks quite bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 26, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
Some of our players went into tonight's game as though it was a gimme...it wasn't and Oxford battled for their lives, and fair play to them. I hope this has been a shock to the whole squad and they now realise there is absolutely no room for complacency. Irvine seemed to play for a 1 none and got his just deserts, but the game should have been put to bed earlier. One more thing...we are not bloody Arsenal..so stop trying to walk the ball into the net ! Jeeze..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 26, 2014, 11:46:29 PM

AL started out very attacking. Oxford treated the 2nd half as their cup final and fair play to them. No faults with his tactics from me, the blame for extra time should be placed on the strikers for missing so many chances.

Unbeaten in three  :)

no fault for tactics?  Honestly?

How did 3 DMs help? How did 433 support Brown who utterly isolated? What positive change made Iin second half to counter Oxford improvement? How has wisdom and CMidfield been coached to improve as Oxford goal identical pass behind RIGHT back as sunderland goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 26, 2014, 11:50:37 PM
To have Baird, Yacob and Mulumbu in midfield against a League 2 team in that 2nd half was shocking.  The game was crying out for width and it was only in extra time that he decided to replace the shocking Baird with Gamboa.

Irvine is out of his depth at this level and we were against Oxford.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2014, 11:54:12 PM
I'm guessing the people posting didn't go tonight. We did not miss a string of clear goalscoring chances in the first half. We just had a lot of shots.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 26, 2014, 11:57:24 PM
I'm guessing the people posting didn't go tonight. We did not miss a string of clear goalscoring chances in the first half. We just had a lot of shots.

And not many on target.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
Some of our players went into tonight's game as though it was a gimme...it wasn't and Oxford battled for their lives, and fair play to them. I hope this has been a shock to the whole squad and they now realise there is absolutely no room for complacency. Irvine seemed to play for a 1 none and got his just deserts, but the game should have been put to bed earlier. One more thing...we are not bloody Arsenal..so stop trying to walk the ball into the net ! Jeeze..

It's the same thing every year before these cup games. The club rolls out the headlines that the coaches and players are all up for a cup run and then the game itself is, well, not exactly convincing.

We are undefeated so far this season but the big question with Irvine all along was can this non winning coach create a winning team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on August 27, 2014, 12:17:15 AM
I went and I can't remember a single chance for us where I thought we should have scored. Oxford created the clearer chances and should have won it in extra time. Please get rid of this 4-3-3 because unless we start varela and another new wide manor doesn't suit us. I thought wisdom was left exposed again tonight and brunt was utter garbage again but he wasn't alone. Please find our strongest balanced team and play them every game for 5-6 games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on August 27, 2014, 12:30:26 AM
Alan Irvine failed at Preston and even more so at Sheffield Wednesday because he played far too defensively and could not get it to work. If you are going to play defensively, you leave yourself very little room for error with fans and pundits alike, and you have to make sure you are picking up regular results. Irvine could not do this and playing 4 central midfielders in a 4 man midfield did not help at Sheffield Wednesday.

He has been given a chance here to make his management career work again - a chance most failed league 1 managers don't get. He needs to take this chance and show that he has learnt from the mistakes he made at his past clubs and produce a more balanced team that can win games. Today, all we saw was a manager who, only 3 competitive games into his tenure here, gave in to his nagging defensive instincts and decided the best way to see out a 1-0 home game against the side at the bottom of the football league, was to add a third defensive midfielder/fourth central midfielder to the mix and put him on at right midfield. It backfired and Oxford proceeded to dominate the game until they went down to ten men and until we had redressed the obvious problem and brought on a more natural wide man to play on the right flank.

No manager with any common sense would put a defensive midfielder on at right midfield in the situation we found ourselves in. This isn't "pub talk coaching" or "football manager expert", this is just common sense and a basic understanding of football tactics.

There were serious worries about Irvine when he was appointed. Today, he showed signs that those worries may have some foundation.

The only positive is that it is early days and surely even he must understand today he messed up. As the season gets going, we will have far more options available and that may stop him from doing something as ridiculous as this again. We can only hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionLifer on August 27, 2014, 08:10:59 AM
Alan Irvine failed at Preston and even more so at Sheffield Wednesday because he played far too defensively and could not get it to work. If you are going to play defensively, you leave yourself very little room for error with fans and pundits alike, and you have to make sure you are picking up regular results. Irvine could not do this and playing 4 central midfielders in a 4 man midfield did not help at Sheffield Wednesday.

He has been given a chance here to make his management career work again - a chance most failed league 1 managers don't get. He needs to take this chance and show that he has learnt from the mistakes he made at his past clubs and produce a more balanced team that can win games. Today, all we saw was a manager who, only 3 competitive games into his tenure here, gave in to his nagging defensive instincts and decided the best way to see out a 1-0 home game against the side at the bottom of the football league, was to add a third defensive midfielder/fourth central midfielder to the mix and put him on at right midfield. It backfired and Oxford proceeded to dominate the game until they went down to ten men and until we had redressed the obvious problem and brought on a more natural wide man to play on the right flank.

No manager with any common sense would put a defensive midfielder on at right midfield in the situation we found ourselves in. This isn't "pub talk coaching" or "football manager expert", this is just common sense and a basic understanding of football tactics.

There were serious worries about Irvine when he was appointed. Today, he showed signs that those worries may have some foundation.

The only positive is that it is early days and surely even he must understand today he messed up. As the season gets going, we will have far more options available and that may stop him from doing something as ridiculous as this again. We can only hope.

I completely agree. I never went to see anything like that again. I can only think he thought the game was in the bag and decided we didn't need to consolidate our lead and instead just decided to give some people a go in the team... even if they were playing completely out of position.

I just hope he had a brainfart.. and has since realised he made a big error which could've turned out a lot worse than it did. I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt and a chance to make a mistake and learn from it.

Incidentally his in-game decisions and tactics are what supporters of previous clubs criticised the most about him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 08:13:56 AM
Hes creating a rod for his own back, what he really needed was a performance to win over his doubters and he couldnt do that against a team bottom of the whole football league having lost all their games so far.You have to be more positive Irvine especially at home
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 27, 2014, 08:20:41 AM
Hes creating a rod for his own back, what he really needed was a performance to win over his doubters and he couldnt do that against a team bottom of the whole football league having lost all their games so far.You have to be more positive Irvine especially at home

A 2/3 nil win was the absolute minimum IMO and that would have given him a free pass until the end of September.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
Post-match, Irvine was talking about the need to stop conceding late goals. There are 2 obvious ways that could go:

1) Become more positive to try to take pressure off the defence by having the ball up the other end.
2) Become even more defensive towards the end of the game than we are currently.

We can but hope that the Sunderland and Oxford games have shown him that becoming ultra-defensive in the last 20 minutes is asking for trouble more than it's helping to protect what we've got.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 27, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
I thought the knives would have been out if we had lost, not won, and no matter which way you look at it we did win the game. Not pretty granted but a win is a win and we are though to the next round.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 27, 2014, 09:06:08 AM
A 2/3 nil win was the absolute minimum IMO and that would have given him a free pass until the end of September.

I totally agree......without the highlighted bits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on August 27, 2014, 09:06:28 AM
The booing was embarrassing but it's what our home support has become along with many clubs, saddest thing is we have 2 points on the board and got through to next round I know it was rubbish but give s man a chance ffs wait untill valera and samaras come back aswel as Lescott, I think will be fine. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 27, 2014, 09:15:21 AM
"We recovered and second half I felt we were comfortable but then we lost our shape and made some really bad decisions.

 so said our tactical genius having put 3 defensive m/f´s on the pitch at the same time. What the hell did he expect, Yacob to start playing like a Messi or Pele !!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on August 27, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
He's got us into the third round for the first time since 2011.

Genius  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2014, 09:37:54 AM
He's got us into the third round for the first time since 2011.

Genius  ;D

Pretty sure we beat Newport at the same stage last season fella.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 27, 2014, 09:39:33 AM
He's got us into the third round for the first time since 2011.

Genius  ;D

Were we not in the Third Round last year after beating Newport County and losing to Arsenal on penalties.
Also, everyone saying that Oxford have lost every game this season. Well unless they did a Celtic, I presume they beat someone in the First Round of the Cup, or at worst technically draw a match and win on penalties.

Not at match so can't comment but players certainly should take some blame for not taking own initiative and killing game off but does seem Irvine went too much into shell towards end and didn't inspire players to kill the game off.

Although Mulumbu is largely a defensive midfielder, I thought last season he was used quite well towards the end of the season as an energetic box to box midfield whose urgency helped us as much get on quick counter-attacks as much as shoring up the defence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
Were we not in the Third Round last year after beating Newport County and losing to Arsenal on penalties.
Also, everyone saying that Oxford have lost every game this season. Well unless they did a Celtic, I presume they beat someone in the First Round of the Cup, or at worst technically draw a match and win on penalties.

Not at match so can't comment but players certainly should take some blame for not taking own initiative and killing game off but does seem Irvine went too much into shell towards end and didn't inspire players to kill the game off.

Although Mulumbu is largely a defensive midfielder, I thought last season he was used quite well towards the end of the season as an energetic box to box midfield whose urgency helped us as much get on quick counter-attacks as much as shoring up the defence.


Bristol City

This is an important competition for us and the vibes i was getting leading up to the game were positive.
Play like that again against whoevers left in the competition and we are out.
It was the ideal time to turn it on and win some of the supporters over, Instead its just created more doubt.
If we loose Saturday we are then under pressure to beat a good Everton team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 27, 2014, 10:20:08 AM
it's a shame some won't give him the same time as the wonderful Pepe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on August 27, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
My bad, read that somewhere and completely forgot about Newport.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 27, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
it's a shame some won't give him the same time as the wonderful Pepe

Have to agree, but having said that I don't suppose he's really bothered too much by a few folks, who will never know as much about the game as he does, being critical.

He would have known when he signed his contract that he was bound to be a divisive choice, and with the fickle, destructive, hyper critical band that we have who like to pass themselves off as supporters these days he would also have known he was in for some pretty nasty stick.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 27, 2014, 11:00:27 AM
it's a shame some won't give him the time time as the wonderful Pepe

 Not the point really. He was bought in to replace Pepe because he was the outstanding candidate(allegedly) or words to that effect so he must obviously be much much better than his predecessor. He has also had more given to him in the transfer window than an other head honcho in recent times and yet in both his home games he has done pretty much the same thing with his substitutions which have had the same effect i.e turned a winning situation into a draw. If he wants to stay he better learn and damn quickly! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
Pepe Mel no way had an ounce of support like Irvine has had.No support from management and no support from players.
Irvine no doubt has time but he has much convincing to do
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 27, 2014, 11:37:03 AM
Got much needed game time into a lot of players legs. I doubt that the eleven who started last night will ever be a starting eleven in the Prem'. For me it's a case of job done and move onto the next game. AI will have learnt a lot about his players, who can do what and where and whether they are ready for Prem' starts. The opening league games against Sunderland and Southampton were light years ahead of the debacle that was the Porto friendly, all be it against weaker teams.
This suggests to me that he will have taken things on board from last night, which was a bad one for a variety of reasons.
However, for the reasons highlighted above, it was not a night which fills me with dread for the season ahead.
Onwards.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on August 27, 2014, 11:43:55 AM
I think Irvine probably got an insight last night into how much pressure he is under.

Hopefully he learnt a lot, not just about the players but about the subs, approach, etc because no doubt about it we got lucky in the end, i can understand maybe closing a game out with a 2 goal advantage, just be professional dont let the opposition back in, etc but get in the position of been 2 goals ahead first! If the other team get an equaliser the momentum shifts to them so i hope he doesnt try and do it every time.

That said, we are in the next round, some of the new boys got a good runout and i am sure lessons were learned. The creativity was poor and hasnt been great for the 2 x league games previous to it (although overall we played okay) but to be fair we have Samaras, Varela, Gamboa, plus possibly 1 x other player to come in so hopefully we will start to create.

I think last night showed how little time Irvine sadly has, drawing against a league 2 side will always get the punters annoyed but i have a feeling if it had been Hodgson or Pepe Mel in charge last night the reactions wouldnt of been so tough as Irvine got, it sometimes feels some fans are almost waiting him to fail which is sad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 27, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
I think Irvine probably got an insight last night into how much pressure he is under.

Hopefully he learnt a lot, not just about the players but about the subs, approach, etc because no doubt about it we got lucky in the end, i can understand maybe closing a game out with a 2 goal advantage, just be professional dont let the opposition back in, etc but get in the position of been 2 goals ahead first! If the other team get an equaliser the momentum shifts to them so i hope he doesnt try and do it every time.

That said, we are in the next round, some of the new boys got a good runout and i am sure lessons were learned. The creativity was poor and hasnt been great for the 2 x league games previous to it (although overall we played okay) but to be fair we have Samaras, Varela, Gamboa, plus possibly 1 x other player to come in so hopefully we will start to create.

I think last night showed how little time Irvine sadly has, drawing against a league 2 side will always get the punters annoyed but i have a feeling if it had been Hodgson or Pepe Mel in charge last night the reactions wouldnt of been so tough as Irvine got, it sometimes feels some fans are almost waiting him to fail which is sad.

Not so, I desperately want him to succeed, but, the inept substitutions (and possibly team selection if his options were limited) deserve criticism, he was given the benefit of the doubt v Sunderland, Southampton were there for the taking.

As a supporter, I voice my opinion in the media, on message boards etc, in the hope that a few drops of my beliefs filter through and the negative tactics are re considered. CL has quoted some of my words to him after I slated Irvine's 'negativity', hopefully, he learns, because if he doesn't we will be relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 27, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
 Waiting for him to fail                 NO, expecting him to fail                        Yes. Two differnet things in my book. No self respecting Albion fan is going to want anybody to fail, we do however have opinions and many myself included fall into the second category. In my case it is purely because i just dont see any evidence that points to him being a success based on his track record thus imo he was a poor appointment and i will stand by that until he proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 27, 2014, 12:39:48 PM
If he succeeds Albion succeeds thats good enough for me but i've seen nothing to disbelieve my brother in laws assessment of AI in team choice, formation & substitutions.
AI hasn't got the backing of the majority of fans (up till now) unlike PM but more importantly he has JP & the players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 27, 2014, 12:44:56 PM
it's a shame some won't give him the same time as the wonderful Pepe
It's not about time it's about tactics.
Many people's main concern, following discussion with Preston / Sheff Wed fans, was his tendency to be too defensive. Unfortunately, he very clearly reverted to type last night and proved that there was definitely substance to these concerns.
It's a two way street for me, he knows he needs to win the fans over and in order to do that he needs to prove that he will not make the same mistakes that got him fired in the past. 3 games in and, tactically, he has not done so.
Hopefully, with better players available he will have more options and show more nous.
We shall see.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 27, 2014, 12:49:12 PM
I'm expecting him to fail as well. He has got until Xmas in my book.

He's a new manager, there is a new set up and lots of new players to integrate into the squad, some of whom have only just arrived in the country.

Fans have got to give him time. We've made a decent enough start to the season. 17th is the best we can expect at the moment. Fingers crossed he proves us all wrong.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 27, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
Pepe Mel no way had an ounce of support like Irvine has had.No support from management and no support from players.
Irvine no doubt has time but he has much convincing to do

Mel had 0% support from the players. Irvine has already done better than Mel in support from the players.

Boys...we are unbeaten in the league  & into the 3rd round of the CC. Done a very good job so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 27, 2014, 01:17:36 PM
Pepe Mel no way had an ounce of support like Irvine has had.No support from management and no support from players.
Irvine no doubt has time but he has much convincing to do
do you think there maybe a reason for that though perhaps he wasn't as good as people made out or perhaps when he was backed his so called mates let him down by staying in Spain,

and for the record Irvine as a lot of convincing to do for me too and was the reason i wrote to JP before anyone thinks i'm sticking up for him,

but as someone already as said the player's like him and are responding just think he deserves a fair crack from fans like the others have had instead of some of the s**t being spouted   
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on August 27, 2014, 01:36:37 PM
I said i think some (not all) people are waiting for him to fail, not wanting him to fail, there is a big difference. Maybe expecting him to fail is a better choice of words, but from comments round by me, it was clear there is some who are 'waiting' as much to say i told you so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
JP must get a kick out hiring & firing coaches that are not proven, still blowing smoke from the end of his gun in anticipation

Hodgson excluding of course
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on August 27, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
I know its a bit off topic but what was the Alan F'*nng Irvine song from last night?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2014, 01:49:31 PM
Should never have been appointed in the first place.  Its shocking beyond belief.  I hope sooner rather than later the club realise that this bloke isn't the man for the job preferably before we are inevitably cut adrift at the bottom of the league.


Hate to be doom and gloom about it but its baffled the hell out of me since his appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on August 27, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
Should never have been appointed in the first place.  Its shocking beyond belief.  I hope sooner rather than later the club realise that this bloke isn't the man for the job preferably before we are inevitably cut adrift at the bottom of the league.


Hate to be doom and gloom about it but its baffled the hell out of me since his appointment.

How about give him some time to prove he can do a job?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2014, 01:52:50 PM
I know its a bit off topic but what was the Alan F'*nng Irvine song from last night?

I feel slightly bad about this - it was something we were singing on Saturday, admittedly, we had been drinking. We had been putting Irvine's name into many of the club classics songs played on Heart FM and eventually Alan Irvine's name was placed into the conga tune.

One of my mates started it in the ground on Saturday and about 20 joined in before we all broke out into "Alan Irvine's Barmy Army".

Looks like someone started chanting it last night.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
I feel slightly bad about this - it was something we were singing on Saturday, admittedly, we had been drinking. We had been putting Irvine's name into many of the club classics songs played on Heart FM and eventually Alan Irvine's name was placed into the conga tune.

One of my mates started it in the ground on Saturday and about 20 joined in before we all broke out into "Alan Irvine's Barmy Army".

Looks like someone started chanting it last night.



most likely 2 of them that write on here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 27, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
How about give him some time to prove he can do a job?

No doubt he'll get time but after a very poor pre-season (whether that should count or not is debatable) and the tactics and team selections so far have been very poor.

Out of the 3 games so far it was a poor result against an average Sunderland team (who we have beaten in the last 5 home games against them), decent result at Southampton and a shocker last night.

As I said I think he'll get time, at least until Christmas but I hope we are not adrift by then.  That's how little faith I have in the bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 27, 2014, 02:03:40 PM
Mel had 0% support from the players. Irvine has already done better than Mel in support from the players.

Boys...we are unbeaten in the league  & into the 3rd round of the CC. Done a very good job so far.
all this without actually winning a football match!!  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on August 27, 2014, 02:57:26 PM
all this without actually winning a football match!!  >:( >:(

Yeah, but we are hard to beat. :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
Yeah, but we are hard to beat. :)


and boring to watch
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 27, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Yeah, but we are hard to beat. :)


Always look on the bright side of life. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 27, 2014, 03:38:42 PM
I said i think some (not all) people are waiting for him to fail, not wanting him to fail, there is a big difference. Maybe expecting him to fail is a better choice of words, but from comments round by me, it was clear there is some who are 'waiting' as much to say i told you so.

I certainly don't want him to fail, that means another miserable season, I'm not convinced by him at all, but I really want to be wrong and enjoying many victories before Christmas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on August 27, 2014, 03:57:49 PM
I think thats how most normal fans feel Black Pearl (me included).

Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice and he wasnt an exciting 'name' but he is here now and will have my full backing, the start has been decent, we have some quality to come back into the team and i think there are a lot of positives  to be taken.

Normal fans want him to do well because by doing so it means we are winning games but there was a group round by me who genuinely seemed to be enjoying the fact we were struggling last night, couldnt wait to get stuck into him, had a pop at everything (and i mean everything he did) and it was clear they hadnt wanted him in the first place and couldnt wait to be proved right, we all have our moans and groans, quite often on these forums but i cant recall in my near 30 years of going the Albion a manager / head coach ever having people so keen to prove that they were right about somebody being a failure! It genuinely shocked me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 27, 2014, 09:14:37 PM

and boring to watch
Not if you have a few more beers mate ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: NEBaggie on August 27, 2014, 09:16:07 PM
Not if you a few more beers mate ;)

I don't mind a nice real ale - hell, I love a nice real ale.

Combine West Brom with real ale and I'm all for that!

 :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 27, 2014, 09:17:47 PM

and boring to watch

I couldn't care if it's boring to watch. It's a results business.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 27, 2014, 09:31:57 PM
I couldn't care if it's boring to watch. It's a results business.


Its both.I dont really like sitting through negative must not loose football, he wont last long if its turgid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 27, 2014, 09:48:08 PM
Football is that boring now that teams find it difficult to break one another down .i went up lat night and while I was disappointed one thing sprang to mind .The league cup is not important to premier clubs and indeed the fa cup has well . The team last night was not our 1st choice eg people rested and new people to come in . This is why so many premier clubs go out , it ain't at the top of their priorities . People laugh at utd losing last night but I am sure if need be they could have won . I am waiting to see what we are like when everyone is fit and available . Then is the time to judge .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 09:54:22 PM
I think thats how most normal fans feel Black Pearl (me included).

Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice and he wasnt an exciting 'name' but he is here now and will have my full backing, the start has been decent, we have some quality to come back into the team and i think there are a lot of positives  to be taken.

Normal fans want him to do well because by doing so it means we are winning games but there was a group round by me who genuinely seemed to be enjoying the fact we were struggling last night, couldnt wait to get stuck into him, had a pop at everything (and i mean everything he did) and it was clear they hadnt wanted him in the first place and couldnt wait to be proved right, we all have our moans and groans, quite often on these forums but i cant recall in my near 30 years of going the Albion a manager / head coach ever having people so keen to prove that they were right about somebody being a failure! It genuinely shocked me!

Hoping an Albion manager fails is just plain wrong. However:
 
Irvine is 57 years old I believe, meaning he won't change his ways now, he is a defensive minded coach and will remain a defensive minded coach. He has no record of success to speak of. Chances are that even if AI is given the offensive tools for attacking football, he will either not know how to utilize them for best effect, or nullify much of our attacking talent by being extremely focused on the defensive aspect of the game.

We can all hope that he improves dramatically and rapidly, but that is most likely foolish hope.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on August 27, 2014, 10:15:54 PM
I don't mind a defensive minded coach but if you are you need to teach the squad how to defend. Both Sunderland and Oxford matches the defensive substitutions and trying to hold the 1-0 haven't worked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on August 27, 2014, 10:49:45 PM
I didn't want Irvine,but I have been quite impressed with both team performances in the league anyway,especially first half v sunderland and 2nd half v saints,what does worry me is that both games were there for the taking and a more attacking coach with better use of attacking subsitutes including times they were bought on to the pitch would have got 6 points
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
I don't mind a defensive minded coach but if you are you need to teach the squad how to defend. Both Sunderland and Oxford matches the defensive substitutions and trying to hold the 1-0 haven't worked.

Playing three defensive mids, at home, against the bottom team in the league is being defensive beyond the point of ridiculousness.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 10:58:08 PM
I didn't want Irvine,but I have been quite impressed with both team performances in the league anyway,especially first half v sunderland and 2nd half v saints,what does worry me is that both games were there for the taking and a more attacking coach with better use of attacking subsitutes including times they were bought on to the pitch would have got 6 points

Exactly. Neither Sunderland nor Southampton looked that impressive to me. A bit more attacking intent could have brought more points on board. I like that we look more solid defensively under Irvine, but if he stiffles our attack he will drive me nuts (nuttier) in no time. Being defensively solid doesn't mean you have to super defensive all the time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 27, 2014, 10:58:24 PM
Yes you are correct . On the other hand top teams are worried about the 1 st team getting injured . Our 1st choice of attack weren't available samaras varela Dorians and Gardner . And that's my original point the fans get shafted . 17000 turned up at the vile tonight to see them lose .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 27, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
Playing three defensive mids, at home, against the bottom team in the league is being defensive beyond the point of ridiculousness.

For 12 minutes of normal time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 11:08:17 PM
Yes you are correct . On the other hand top teams are worried about the 1 st team getting injured . Our 1st choice of attack weren't available samaras varela Dorians and Gardner . And that's my original point the fans get shafted . 17000 turned up at the vile tonight to see them lose .

It's both my hope that the new recruits will add a much needed offensive dimension to our game, and my fear that they will be stiffled and sacrificed on the altar of defense at all costs.

True. Premier League Sky money is what pays the excessive wages for staff and players and management. Why would they risk that for a cup run that will end in failure for all clubs but one? The fans may feel different about that though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2014, 11:09:49 PM
For 12 minutes of normal time.

For 1 minute even  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2014, 08:34:46 AM
Playing three defensive mids, at home, against the bottom team in the league is being defensive beyond the point of ridiculousness.

The three defensive midfielders,  is this the only role that they can play and who has labelled them as defensive midfielders?  I wasn't at the game as I'm out of the country,  were the players in question lined up in front of the back four or were they plaing in a different position (for the however many minutes they were on together)
I assume that we are also taking Yacob,  Mulumbu and Baird as being these defensive players?  Wasn't Yacob originally brought in to sit behind the front two (even though we now tend to sit him deeper) and Mulumbu more a box to box man.

Labelling players doesn't mean that is how they actually play (although as I have already said I wasn't there so may be it was in this case!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on August 28, 2014, 08:39:31 AM
The three defensive midfielders,  is this the only role that they can play and who has labelled them as defensive midfielders?  I wasn't at the game as I'm out of the country,  were the players in question lined up in front of the back four or were they plaing in a different position (for the however many minutes they were on together)
I assume that we are also taking Yacob,  Mulumbu and Baird as being these defensive players?  Wasn't Yacob originally brought in to sit behind the front two (even though we now tend to sit him deeper) and Mulumbu more a box to box man.

Labelling players doesn't mean that is how they actually play (although as I have already said I wasn't there so may be it was in this case!)

Well as Oxford should have won and we spent most of the time in our own half then it was hard to tell what position they were in. We had one shot on target in second half and extra time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on August 28, 2014, 09:09:06 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ex-albion-man-darren-carter-reckons-7273028

Think this article sheds light on how Irvine's standards of fitness may be higher than most.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 28, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Patience is the key at the moment, we still have players who've had no pre season and new signings need to gel with the current team. I think our two performances against Sunderland and Southampton show that we are a good team who just need's a little bit of creativity in the final third.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on August 28, 2014, 06:19:23 PM
I don't mind a nice real ale - hell, I love a nice real ale.

Combine West Brom with real ale and I'm all for that!

 :P

well as a west brom fan and a landlord of a pub in the north east, who too loves his real ale.  i have that perfect combination. 

But let's hope with the new signings Mr Irvine can find an attacking approach, and not drive me to the easy at hand alcohol.  I'm all for being solid, but want some flair as well.  (trying to resist a Mowbray ' soldiers and artists' moment)

I am positive that he will - but then again I am a glass half full sort of fella - in fact I rarely let it get emptier than that!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2014, 07:02:41 PM
Yes you are correct . On the other hand top teams are worried about the 1 st team getting injured . Our 1st choice of attack weren't available samaras varela Dorians and Gardner . And that's my original point the fans get shafted . 17000 turned up at the vile tonight to see them lose .

We had our two record transfers and top scorer last season in the starting line up. Hardly weakened. We should have scored 3 or 4 at least againts this sort of opposition.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
The three defensive midfielders,  is this the only role that they can play and who has labelled them as defensive midfielders?  I wasn't at the game as I'm out of the country,  were the players in question lined up in front of the back four or were they plaing in a different position (for the however many minutes they were on together)
I assume that we are also taking Yacob,  Mulumbu and Baird as being these defensive players?  Wasn't Yacob originally brought in to sit behind the front two (even though we now tend to sit him deeper) and Mulumbu more a box to box man.

Labelling players doesn't mean that is how they actually play (although as I have already said I wasn't there so may be it was in this case!)

They are not exactly creative players though either. I lost count of the number of sideways passes we made in midfield. It was obvious that Irvine was happy with the 1-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
Where shall we start?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 03:29:23 PM
We now have less points than games played. That is usually the formula for dismissal. We can but hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 03:30:28 PM
Everton
Tottenham
Burnley
Liverpool
Man Utd
Palace

Next 6 games and realistically I can't see us getting any points in those games, so end of October will be my prediction when we are firmly rooted to the foot of the table.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 30, 2014, 04:04:29 PM
Never thought I would say this but hope Pulis is still out of a job come October!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:05:14 PM
The pressure is now on Irvine how does he react he has to change it second half if he doesn't then we need to find a new head coach, he is clearly not a motivator.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 04:09:03 PM
Never thought I would say this but hope Pulis is still out of a job come October!

just about to say that, I hope JP has his phone number
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 04:12:03 PM
How long does he get? This will not be turned around.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:13:15 PM
How long does he get? This will not be turned around.

10 games maximum
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 04:14:39 PM
Never thought I would say this but hope Pulis is still out of a job come October!

Pulis? I'd be happy with Dave Jones!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2014, 04:27:05 PM
like everyone says will be gone by Christmas I think sooner , JP lessons learned from last year really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 04:32:53 PM
At least we expected this. That's the only consolation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
like everyone says will be gone by Christmas I think sooner , JP lessons learned from last year really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get rid of him now and get Pulis in we need someone to motivate these players not a goody goody bloke who the players like!

If Irvine is such a good coach why are we so bad defensively and offer nothing up front. So what are they working on in training?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on August 30, 2014, 04:34:41 PM
We looked so organised in the first two games lets hope its a bad day but the vultures will be circling if he doesnt pick up a win over the next few weeks especially with the new players signed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
I'll start the ball rolling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 30, 2014, 04:40:01 PM
I'm in.  Never wanted him in the first place.  Shocking appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on August 30, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
I'll back him when he has a full squad but one things for certain, his subs need to happen before the other team does something to try and make us do something.

He needs to set up more positively though. The likes of Gamboa and Sess need to start and Wisdom, Brunt etc should be know more than squad players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
and me should have be Irvine gone . well all of the coaches needs a clean sweep i
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:43:29 PM
We looked so organised in the first two games lets hope its a bad day but the vultures will be circling if he doesnt pick up a win over the next few weeks especially with the new players signed.

Yes Dudley lad he has Ben backed more than any other head coach we have ever had. At least Pepe Mel wanted to build an attacking side not just a team that kept a defensive shape (what defence) ?
Brunt said that the atmosphere in the dressing room was poor under Mel is that just that they didn't want to play for the man. You look like you are doing a lot better for the new head coach don't you?
Never mind lads when Irvine goes one of the lads Downing can take over
We need a new man in with his own back room staff and clear out the current staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
He's clearly not going to get sacked any time soon so there's no point making calls now. The only defence you can make for him is he has been hit hard with injuries, particularly defensively Dawson should be 4th choice but has started every game, and Pocognoli's out too. I suspect given Olsson's performance he'll probably drop behind McAuley too so in effect we might be fielding a back 4 that is entirely next match.

I do fear for him with the games coming up however, he could very feasibly get 0 points from the next 5. Palace and Sunderland showed disastrous starts don't mean relegation but that'll be the time serious questions get asked by the board.

The thing will make or break him is overcoming his innate conservativeness. We shouldn't be making such large concessions to teams like Swansea, we should be going to them as equals. To get away with playing defensive reactionary football you need to have an excellent defence, something we don't have. We've never looked comfortable absorbing pressure (like teams do when defending against us) so its a strange game plan to build the side around.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mikehy on August 30, 2014, 04:44:28 PM
I am in but with downing kiely and kelly going with him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 04:47:35 PM
I want to give the bloke a chance, but it's tough. The entire coaching staff needed a clearout and a safe pair of hands installed.

Instead, we spent well over a month to appoint an absolute nobody and we kept the toxic backroom staff. It's not Irvine's fault, but he's simply not up to the task - everyone except JP could see that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
Start advertising for a new coach now, the man is as bad as we were warned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2014, 04:50:31 PM
I'll back him when he has a full squad but one things for certain, his subs need to happen before the other team does something to try and make us do something.

He needs to set up more positively though. The likes of Gamboa and Sess need to start and Wisdom, Brunt etc should be know more than squad players
His selections are rubbish with the players he has available, Who else would pick Dawson with Gmac fit? We've scored 1 goal in 4 games, yet Dorrans and Brunt get in ahead of Sess. Wisdom doesn't even consider himself a right back yet still gets in ahead of Gamboa.
Clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2014, 04:51:08 PM
you can blame Irvine he went for the job so don't have that he could of said no I am not upto the job .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2014, 04:52:48 PM
Who exactly do people expect would come in?

We went for Irvine because we had barely any options in the first place. Yet alone starting the season with a squad not their own playing catch up to the rest of the league. The club's entire set up instantly rules out 90% of managers. You'll get people calling for Pulis no doubt, but that would never happen, he's an old school manager who would never work with the lack of control here.

The only people available for the job the way we work is either people new to management like Clarke was, or older coaches who've failed before and would take any job like Irvine. You're not going to get quality experienced track record coaches coming here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 30, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
Give him till the Burnley game please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 04:53:51 PM
you can blame Irvine he went for the job so don't have that he could of said no I am not upto the job .

Put yourself in his shoes. You're a failed 3rd tier manager, and you've been offered a job out of the blue in the Premier League. Are you seriously, SERIOUSLY telling me you'd turn that offer down?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
He's not going anywhere. We've seen this sort of performance from Albion at Swansea many times, under Hodgson, under Clarke, Under Mel we should have been out of sight at half time too. Whenever we go to Swansea we seem to really struggle against them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 30, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
People who blame the manager know nothing about football
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:57:08 PM
Who exactly do people expect would come in?

We went for Irvine because we had barely any options in the first place. Yet alone starting the season with a squad not their own playing catch up to the rest of the league. The club's entire set up instantly rules out 90% of managers. You'll get people calling for Pulis no doubt, but that would never happen, he's an old school manager who would never work with the lack of control here.

The only people available for the job the way we work is either people new to management like Clarke was, or older coaches who've failed before and would take any job like Irvine. You're not going to get quality experienced track record coaches coming here. Of course your other option is foreign managers but that seems like it'll never happen again under Peace after Mel. For whatever reason the club has decided its style is the one Hodgson had here, we'll just be after coaching managers like Irvine but not Irvine.

We had the chance of Tim Sherwood but he had to work with Pinky and Perky, those two are holding the club back we needed a new head coach with new back room staff who could motivate this bunch of players, because our current coaching staff can clearly not motivate them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2014, 04:57:20 PM
Give him till the Burnley game please.
Why, what have you seen to suggest he will turn this around?
Genuine question.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2014, 04:57:59 PM
yes I would turn the job down when he is sacked before Christmas wheres that leave him ? blokes way out of his depth . he had to hit the ground running seeing as the fans didn't want him and that has not happened .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 04:58:27 PM
He's not going anywhere. We've seen this sort of performance from Albion at Swansea many times, under Hodgson, under Clarke, Under Mel we should have been out of sight at half time too. Whenever we go to Swansea we seem to really struggle against them.

We actually won there under Pepe Mel remember!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 30, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
We need to look at the 'head coach/director of football' setup.  We cannot attract a quality 'manager' to this set up.  We are reduced to people like Irvine. That's the problem for me.  If we are to employ a 'head coach' we must give them more power/responsibility.

Irvine should never have been appointed and I hope we realise it as soon as possible and make a change in not just Irvine and the coaching staff but the way the club is set up in terms of attracting a quality premier league coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 30, 2014, 04:58:56 PM
Embarrassing thread. Our fans really  have become the worst in  the country. Other supporters mock us now for our meltdowns over everything.
Seriously how can you judge a manager on 3 games? And when the new signings have yet to feature?
Joke fans
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2014, 04:59:16 PM
People who blame the manager know nothing about football
If that were true managers would have a job for life, they would never get the sack.
Strange statement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 04:59:51 PM
yes I would turn the job down when he is sacked before Christmas wheres that leave him ? blokes way out of his depth . he had to hit the ground running seeing as the fans didn't want him and that has not happened .

A fair bit richer, that's where!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
We actually won there under Pepe Mel remember!

We got battered in the first half under Mel and should been out of sight. I remember watching us go to Swansea under Hodgson and we were awful and lost 3-0 too. Same under Clarke when we had that great run before going to Swansea and getting outplayed. We just struggle against these every time and it's very annoying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 30, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home


It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mini gaardsoe on August 30, 2014, 05:01:24 PM
People who blame the manager know nothing about football

How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 05:02:10 PM
We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home


It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!

I don't want him sacked yet. But is it spoilt to be angered by the appointment of a failed League One manager when your club is in the top flight?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 30, 2014, 05:03:08 PM
I knew it, the first defeat and it starts, and BTW I did not want him as manager/coach, but FFS give him a chance.  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 30, 2014, 05:05:55 PM
I'm with you Kc56 was appalled when I first heard the news, but I really feel we have made some excellent signings this summer and once they get game time and we get them playing together results will come for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on August 30, 2014, 05:06:36 PM
He's not going anywhere. We've seen this sort of performance from Albion at Swansea many times, under Hodgson, under Clarke, Under Mel we should have been out of sight at half time too. Whenever we go to Swansea we seem to really struggle against them.

That's alright then!! I am afraid 'fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind'. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 30, 2014, 05:07:57 PM
Really want him to do well but he isn't going to is he, get rid of him and take downing with him because whilst he is there we won't go anywhere anyway.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 05:08:10 PM
I knew it, the first defeat and it starts, and BTW I did not want him as manager/coach, but FFS give him a chance.  >:(

Its not the defeat, its the manner of the defeat, setting us up soooo negatively is just asking for trouble, I can take losing, but we did not have a chance in that game because of the way we were set up, only one man picks the team, he carries the can!

By the way, when did we last win a game including pre season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on August 30, 2014, 05:08:33 PM
Embarrassing thread. Our fans really  have become the worst in  the country. Other supporters mock us now for our meltdowns over everything.
Seriously how can you judge a manager on 3 games? And when the new signings have yet to feature?
Joke fans

Mate I agree with the sentiment but joke fans is harsh. After the dross of last year on and off field there's obvious panic setting in that the club has appointed the wrong coach. I want to give him longer, I think we have had a great transfer window and some good players to come in. I will seriously want him out if and when those new signings play and we are still that awful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 30, 2014, 05:08:45 PM
I will give him a bit longer but my patience is wearing thin. Last season there were supposedly various 'culprits' for our demise, such as the players and Peace. I think this season the players are in unison and the chairman has acted accordingly.

So really, that leaves the blame on Irvine. Today, as an individual performance was dreadful. Hopefully it's a one-off and he sorts it out, but it definitely doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on August 30, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home


It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!


We got 6 points from memory from the corresponding fixtures last season.  We'll see where we are after 10 games.  What we needed was an experienced manager to come in and sort this out from scratch.  Instead we got an inexperienced number 1 who has failed in League 1.  Not blaming Irvine because he is out of his depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
Irvine out for me believe it or not!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronny boy on August 30, 2014, 05:12:04 PM
I can still remember that feeling when we found out Irvine had been appointed, utter despair. Nothing over the summer has made me change my mind about this appointment, but I will say that we have to give him 10 games (inc cup games) to gauge how this will pan out. I feel though, like many others, that we already know the answer to that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2014, 05:12:35 PM
A fair bit richer, that's where!
not all about money thow is it ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on August 30, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
I'm with you Kc56 was appalled when I first heard the news, but I really feel we have made some excellent signings this summer and once they get game time and we get them playing together results will come for us.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Like everyone else I was underwhelmed with the appointment BUT Irvine is our Head Coach and he's been in the job "5 mins".

He's had 4 matches, we've lost 1 of those, we've had a massive turnover in players, plus injuries to a couple of key new additions.

So we're still in August and we are demanding he be sacked?

A truly pathetic cringeworthy thread. Desperate really.

What have we become?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 05:14:55 PM
Its not the defeat, its the manner of the defeat, setting us up soooo negatively is just asking for trouble, I can take losing, but we did not have a chance in that game because of the way we were set up, only one man picks the team, he carries the can!

By the way, when did we last win a game including pre season.

Interesting view on negatively. The players picked would not be first choice for me and that could be down to Irvine's choice or availability but we will probably never know. Dorrans, Brunt, Dawson, Berahino were not good enough today but their time may be limited anyway.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 30, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 26, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
One thing to note is, please don't get on their backs if the next 2 or 3 games don't go great. This team won't hit it's stride for a couple of months maybe, but by October or so we should be laughing!

What I wrote on the start XI thread. Of which btw, I very much doubt this XI will look much like the average starting one come October/November.

At the very least Varela, Lescott and Gamboa will be regular starting, if not Blanco & Samaras. That half the team not yet up and running. Swansea away we've lost 4 out of 5 times I think. The other two results were ok. Who cares what he did 8 years ago, my work is certainly different now to 8 years ago. It's a totally different situation for him, give the bloke a bloody chance!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Who exactly do people expect would come in?

We went for Irvine because we had barely any options in the first place. Yet alone starting the season with a squad not their own playing catch up to the rest of the league. The club's entire set up instantly rules out 90% of managers. You'll get people calling for Pulis no doubt, but that would never happen, he's an old school manager who would never work with the lack of control here.

The only people available for the job the way we work is either people new to management like Clarke was, or older coaches who've failed before and would take any job like Irvine. You're not going to get quality experienced track record coaches coming here. Of course your other option is foreign managers but that seems like it'll never happen again under Peace after Mel. For whatever reason the club has decided its style is the one Hodgson had here, we'll just be after coaching managers like Irvine but not Irvine.

We had the chance of Tim Sherwood but he had to work with Pinky and Perky, those two are holding the club back we needed a new head coach with new back room staff who could motivate this bunch of players, because our current coaching staff can clearly not motivate them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 30, 2014, 05:20:02 PM
The man is devoid of a single creative idea. Why wait for the full squad the problem is t the players!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on August 30, 2014, 05:23:47 PM
He's clearly not going to get sacked any time soon so there's no point making calls now. The only defence you can make for him is he has been hit hard with injuries, particularly defensively Dawson should be 4th choice but has started every game, and Pocognoli's out too. I suspect given Olsson's performance he'll probably drop behind McAuley too so in effect we might be fielding a back 4 that is entirely next match.

I do fear for him with the games coming up however, he could very feasibly get 0 points from the next 5. Palace and Sunderland showed disastrous starts don't mean relegation but that'll be the time serious questions get asked by the board.

The thing will make or break him is overcoming his innate conservativeness. We shouldn't be making such large concessions to teams like Swansea, we should be going to them as equals. To get away with playing defensive reactionary football you need to have an excellent defence, something we don't have. We've never looked comfortable absorbing pressure (like teams do when defending against us) so its a strange game plan to build the side around.

Excellent post Dan. Only the first sentence I'm not sure about. If Irvine doesn't get results quickly with this outlay I'm not sure JP is going to prevaricate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: telford baggie on August 30, 2014, 05:25:38 PM
How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.

january will be to late
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2014, 05:30:16 PM
We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home


It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!
I wouldn't have supported this club for 40 years if results bothered me.
Irvine came with a poor cv, stating a record of failing whilst playing negative, narrow, dull football. I have seen no evidence that his approach has or can change and that is why he should go.
If we had the same, or worse results, but signs of improvement and positivity, I would defend him to the hilt.
Flogging a dead horse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on August 30, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
Yeah, I feel the same way.

Like everyone else I was underwhelmed with the appointment BUT Irvine is our Head Coach and he's been in the job "5 mins".

He's had 4 matches, we've lost 1 of those, we've had a massive turnover in players, plus injuries to a couple of key new additions.

So we're still in August and we are demanding he be sacked?

A truly pathetic cringeworthy thread. Desperate really.

What have we become?

Understand what your saying but is Alan Irvine really the best CV we can attract. If it is then.........why?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on August 30, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
We are declining continuously since Hodgson left....
A experienced premier league manager is needed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.

He didn't fail at Preston. He didn't fail working at Everton. We finished 17th last season and have changed a lot of the squad. It's going to take time and patience. Irvine has no magic wand to make the team who finished 17th last season a great team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 30, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
I am sorry but nothing I have seen so far suggests that he has a clue
Why are all our players that played in the World Cup not fit enough but Morisson who didn't play a pre season game because of an operation get on as a sub
I also think that Downing needs to go aswell
I didn't fancy many of those linked with us in the summer but they were better than Alan Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 30, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Yes let's get rid of Irvine and bring in a new bloke and if he only gets 2 draws and one defeat in his first 3 league games then get rid of him as well, shall we? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 30, 2014, 05:35:51 PM
Totally agree mate, the results are not the worry its the lack of method on the pitch and the stale performances from players who have no idea what they are trying to do,
wish i could see some positives from today.
i won't call for his head yet but with Everton and Spurs to come i fear for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 30, 2014, 05:36:11 PM
I am sorry but nothing I have seen so far suggests that he has a clue
Why are all our players that played in the World Cup not fit enough but Morisson who didn't play a pre season game because of an operation get on as a sub
I also think that Downing needs to go aswell
I didn't fancy many of those linked with us in the summer but they were better than Alan Irvine

He did nothing at Preston
You forget to mention Sheffield Wednesday where he failed because it doesn't suit your argument and at Everton he was only allowed near the kids
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on August 30, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
He didn't fail at Preston. He didn't fail working at Everton. We finished 17th last season and have changed a lot of the squad. It's going to take time and patience. Irvine has no magic wand to make the team who finished 17th last season a great team.

Time and  patience sadly in the PL for WBA might equal relegation. Roy turned it on its head?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 05:38:45 PM
He did nothing at Preston
You forget to mention Sheffield Wednesday where he failed because it doesn't suit your argument and at Everton he was only allowed near the kids

Finishing in the play offs is nothing? He saved them from relegation in his first season and finished in the play offs the next. To some of our fans that is failure.  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on August 30, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
Finishing in the play offs is nothing? He saved them from relegation in his first season and finished in the play offs the next. To some of our fans that is failure.  ???
Didn't Gary Megson do that for us?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2014, 05:40:29 PM
He didn't fail at Preston. He didn't fail working at Everton. We finished 17th last season and have changed a lot of the squad. It's going to take time and patience. Irvine has no magic wand to make the team who finished 17th last season a great team.

But please answer this question. What will Irvine bring to the team that will make us a good side again?

So far he has shown zero tactical nous but been utterly predictable along the lines of what we had heard he would be from people in the know about him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 05:42:41 PM
He stands on the touch line arms folded showing no passion at all. His body language is that of a coach who hasn't got a clue!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 05:45:53 PM
But please answer this question. What will Irvine bring to the team that will make us a good side again?

So far he has shown zero tactical nous but been utterly predictable along the lines of what we had heard he would be from people in the know about him?

I think we're trying to go back to what we were like under Hodgson, a well organised team who were hard to beat and capable of playing football at times too. Irvine's work on the training ground will be Hodgson like. The tactics were spot on in our first two games. Swansea outplayed us like they seem to do nearly every time we play them. It's way too early to judge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 30, 2014, 05:46:33 PM
we knew how swansea would play , two wingers, why leave our full backs completely exposed all game.
Clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zac on August 30, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
It's a bit silly to say sack him yet, but like others the vibe I'm getting is that the bloke is completely clueless and has somehow managed to talk himself into a premier league job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 05:48:56 PM
It's a bit silly to say sack him yet, but like others the vibe I'm getting is that the bloke is completely clueless and has somehow managed to talk himself into a premier league job.

Talk himself into a job? We approached him! He didn't even apply.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on August 30, 2014, 05:50:14 PM
Give him until the end of September then get shot. We will go down other wise.
JP wont put up with pooh results for too long anyway , he cant after his spending spree. 2 goals in 3 matches and one was a lucky penalty just aint good enough.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 05:50:41 PM
itsnt a matter of Irvine out more a case of it should never have been a case of Irvine in. The bloke has done nothing to justify getting this job and the sooner we cut our losses the better!! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zac on August 30, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
Talk himself into a job? We approached him! He didn't even apply.

He still had to go through the process of speaking to the club and getting his ideas across. I'd love to know what he said to them to convince them he was the right man for the job but like i say, it's early days yet but its a worrying start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 30, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
He stands on the touch line arms folded showing no passion at all. His body language is that of a coach who hasn't got a clue!
By all means criticise him for tactics etc  but never get it when  people use the 'shows no passion on the touchline'  view.
Think it's irrelevant. Some managers just take a more considered view from the dug-out, doesn't make them any more or less passionate
Paolo Di Canio shows plenty of emotion on the  touchline and he's useless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2014, 05:53:45 PM
I think we're trying to go back to what we were like under Hodgson, a well organised team who were hard to beat and capable of playing football at times too. Irvine's work on the training ground will be Hodgson like. The tactics were spot on in our first two games. Swansea outplayed us like they seem to do nearly every time we play them. It's way too early to judge.

Well, I'm not a fan. I saw more poor Clarke today than Hodgson, and I feel Hodgson was overrated anyway. I preferred the Hodgson of the spring when he turned our season around to the boring two banks of four stuff with hoofs to Long. We saw today how hopelessly cut off Ideye was at the top, like Long often was. I fully expect more of the same nonsense tbh. Never mind we signed hopefully talented offensive players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 05:55:05 PM
By all means criticise him for tactics etc  but never get it when  people use the 'shows no passion on the touchline'  view.
Think it's irrelevant. Some managers just take a more considered view from the dug-out, doesn't make them any more or less passionate
Paolo Di Canio shows plenty of emotion on the  touchline and he's useless.

No I don't agree body language says it all, it shows that he stands there not having a clue what to do and uncle Keith has to help him out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:01:08 PM
I wouldn't have supported this club for 40 years if results bothered me.


Brilliant and I suppose your are exactly right
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:02:59 PM
Give him until the end of September then get shot. We will go down other wise.
JP wont put up with pooh results for too long anyway , he cant after his spending spree. 2 goals in 3 matches and one was a lucky penalty just aint good enough.

Yup, JP has opened his wallet, he doesn't want a season like the last. Pulis for me, maybe rubbish football at Stoke, but Crystal Meth played some decent stuff, at least his teams show the passion that he shows on the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on August 30, 2014, 06:06:14 PM
Give the bloke a chance!
First defeat of the season, & playing with a back four that probably contains 1 player that would normally play but for injuries/lack of fitness. Surely Lescott, Pocognoli, Gamboa & maybe even Mcauley as well will make up our defence in a few weeks.
Why not go the whole hog & become proper Dingles by getting on the blower, ringing WM & whining ... 'Franksy,  he's gotta goo.'
We've got to give him a dozen games at least, as we've got so many players he's welcomed to the club that we haven't seen yet!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2014, 06:07:45 PM
We looked so organised in the first two games lets hope its a bad day but the vultures will be circling if he doesnt pick up a win over the next few weeks especially with the new players signed.

Of course Irvine has to win games! That is a given. The problem is that we look just as poor as I expected (rather than as good as I hoped, we were all told to hope for the best weren't we) and so far away from having a solid, winning prem team capable of doing damage to the opposition every week.

And, last but by no means least, I want to enjoy watching us play football, is that too much to ask for? No more boring nonsense football pretty please. If this is all Irvine has then please leave now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on August 30, 2014, 06:10:21 PM
Embarrassing thread. Our fans really  have become the worst in  the country. Other supporters mock us now for our meltdowns over everything.
Seriously how can you judge a manager on 3 games? And when the new signings have yet to feature?
Joke fans
i have to agree with you mate, some of our so called fans are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:10:30 PM
Give the bloke a chance!


90% of us didn't want him and could see what's going to happen, we need to get rid now before we have no chance of being safe, we are going to be looking at 8 games with 2 points on the board. It won't be good enough.

He's supposedly a top coach, well he hasn't sorted our stupid mistakes in games, our stupid defending, our clear lack of passion, basically he's sorted out eff all.

You can go on about new players to come through, well I'm going to be totally honest with you, his tactics so far in all 4 games we have played has not been good enough and I fail to see how it's going to get better with them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 30, 2014, 06:11:03 PM
Give the bloke a chance!
First defeat of the season, & playing with a back four that probably contains 1 player that would normally play but for injuries/lack of fitness. Surely Lescott, Pocognoli, Gamboa & maybe even Mcauley as well will make up our defence in a few weeks.
Why not go the whole hog & become proper Dingles by getting on the blower, ringing WM & whining ... 'Franksy,  he's gotta goo.'
We've got to give him a dozen games at least, as we've got so many players he's welcomed to the club that we haven't seen yet!

But wardy he won't play those players because they aren't fit enough !!!
They played in the World Cup 6 weeks ago and one plays for his country next week
Morisson has an operation in the summer and has no pre season plays 45 minutes
A dozen games is too many to give him
The honeymoon period was always going to be short and now it's over
Clueless
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on August 30, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
i have to agree with you mate, some of our so called fans are a disgrace.

I also agree, I used to laugh real bad at the dingles but we are no better than them if not worse now. I don't really comment anymore though because there is that many like it i've unfortunately accepted it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:14:01 PM
Yes let's get rid of Irvine and bring in a new bloke and if he only gets 2 draws and one defeat in his first 3 league games then get rid of him as well, shall we?

Tried to post exactly the same earlier but for some reason my posts are being removed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on August 30, 2014, 06:15:49 PM
Never wanted him but he did inherit a huge mess with little of a squad , I'm not keen on Saido as a winger at all but i won't join the Irvine out brigade until these new players are bedded in and have had a good chance.
If you are going to blame anybody for our current mess then look at JP , opening the vault lately doesn't hide the fact he switched off for 18 months.
Just to add when are some of these nicely paid players going to take some blame ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
We have never won a Premier League match away in August, even when finishing 8th, 10th and 12th.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on August 30, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
I think all of this comes back to Peace's decision to go with the players rather than Mel at the end of last season. It was the "old guard" of the likes of Steven Reid who simply weren't up to Mel's ambition and philosophies, and who went behind his back in favour of their old pals Keith Downing and Dean Kiely. While the fans got behind Mel, Peace sided with the old guard and we are currently seeing (a continuation of) the results of that decision. It would've been great to see these bunch of new players with Mel's attacking style and the fresh methods his coaching staff would've brought. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 06:19:03 PM
We'll be fine under Irvine, once the new players get match fit and gel within the squad I think we'll have a good season and surprise a few.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 30, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
I think all of this comes back to Peace's decision to go with the players rather than Mel at the end of last season. It was the "old guard" of the likes of Steven Reid who simply weren't up to Mel's ambition and philosophies, and who went behind his back in favour of their old pals Keith Downing and Dean Kiely. While the fans got behind Mel, Peace sided with the old guard and we are currently seeing (a continuation of) the results of that decision. It would've been great to see these bunch of new players with Mel's attacking style and the fresh methods his coaching staff would've brought. Nevermind.

Spot on
Good post
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 06:19:14 PM
We have never won a Premier League match away in August, even when finishing 8th, 10th and 12th.

I have never ever been concerned in August the way I am now though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:19:43 PM
Never wanted him but he did inherit a huge mess with little of a squad , I'm not keen on Saido as a winger at all but i won't join the Irvine out brigade until these new players are bedded in and have had a good chance.
If you are going to blame anybody for our current mess then look at JP , opening the vault lately doesn't hide the fact he switched off for 18 months.
Just to add when are some of these nicely paid players going to take some blame ?

be too late by the time they are bedded
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on August 30, 2014, 06:20:43 PM
Same here , its only August and i feel like its April and were are in the bottom 4 . It was the whole performance today that worries me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
Never wanted him but he did inherit a huge mess with little of a squad , I'm not keen on Saido as a winger at all but i won't join the Irvine out brigade until these new players are bedded in and have had a good chance.
If you are going to blame anybody for our current mess then look at JP , opening the vault lately doesn't hide the fact he switched off for 18 months.
Just to add when are some of these nicely paid players going to take some blame ?

The nucleus of the squad without the new players should be able to keep us up on their own. The new players are a added bonus.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on August 30, 2014, 06:26:56 PM
The nucleus of the squad without the new players should be able to keep us up on their own. The new players are a added bonus.
Can't agree mate , ageing players , some injury prone and some that haven't played well in months .
We just got over the line with left overs and loan players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
I have never ever been concerned in August the way I am now though.
And those of us that have blatantly opposed his appointment have been poo pooed, wake up and smell the coffee the bloke aint got a clue !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on August 30, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
Wow, knee jerk
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:31:33 PM
I have never ever been concerned in August the way I am now though.

To be fair though mate you were concerned in June when Irvine was announced!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
Wow, knee jerk
nope, just realistic. Have seen no justification for his appointment based on footballing reality and dont expect to anytime soon >:( >:(. For chrissakes Dagenham and Redbridge scored 3 against Oxford today !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:37:36 PM
And those of us that have blatantly opposed his appointment have been poo pooed, wake up and smell the coffee the bloke aint got a clue !!

AGREED
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 30, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
Another worry I have with Irvine is that he blamed our defeat today on the slip from Olsson, and basically said it was 'bad luck' and not his fault. In saying this, he's completely ignoring the other 90 minutes, two goals we conceded, negative play and generally awful performance.

In other words, his post-match comments today really scared and baffled me. Had he been accountable for some of the errors, it would be more understandable, but it's almost like saying "we did well, we just had bad luck" which isn't true.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 06:40:30 PM
To be fair though mate you were concerned in June when Irvine was announced!

I said since the minute he was appointed it will be a disaster. I was really hoping to be proved wrong.

You were just saying we haven't won an away game in August and I was just saying we are never usually concerned anyway but this time we are concerned about it because we know we are going one way and that isn't up!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Madalex85 on August 30, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
I've been reading this forum for donkeys and never usually post on here, but feel compelled to do so after reading this tripe. I honestly feel the quality of our support has never been worse, yet the club is a million times stronger than when I started going to games back in the very early 90's. I remember playing teams like Darlington in the old 3rd division and the support as a kid was bloody fantastic even then. Now it's all prawn sandwiches and fickle fans.

Not saying last season wasn't a shambles and the club screwed up big time but Alan Irvine hasn't done anything wrong so far considering the obstacles of fitness etc he's had to come up against. Knee jerk reactions are exactly what puts clubs into meltdown. Footballs about the long game and there's plenty of time to go this season and it's about time the fans gave him some backing because the boo boys are as guilty as anyone for the situation of last year. Frankly it's disgusting, this thread is a disgrace and if you want multi million pound signings and wins ever week, sod off and support Man City.

Albion's a family and we stick it in thick and thin. The club needs your support not your ill informed, football manager armchair criticism. Those who proudly proclaim they've been supporting the Albion 40 odd years would do well to remember the shambles I walked into as a kid and think long and hard how differently it could all be today before being such poor fans.

Albion till I die. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
I was annoyed when Megson was made Manager, whose this bloke? I thought.

We gave him a chance and he delivered.

We need to give Irvine the opportunity to show what he can do with this new team. No team is relegated in August.

A lot of people have already decided he's no good. How can you possibly know that?

We're supporters, lets start supporting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 06:43:41 PM
Funny thing is that we win today then you'd have posters saying that Irvine is doing a good job, lose and he's got to go. This thread is nonsense.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 06:44:17 PM
I've been reading this forum for donkeys and never usually post on here, but feel compelled to do so after reading this tripe. I honestly feel the quality of our support has never been worse, yet the club is a million times stronger than when I started going to games back in the very early 90's. I remember playing teams like Darlington in the old 3rd division and the support as a kid was bloody fantastic even then. Now it's all prawn sandwiches and fickle fans.

Not saying last season wasn't a shambles and the club screwed up big time but Alan Irvine hasn't done anything wrong so far considering the obstacles of fitness etc he's had to come up against. Knee jerk reactions are exactly what puts clubs into meltdown. Footballs about the long game and there's plenty of time to go this season and it's about time the fans gave him some backing because the boo boys are as guilty as anyone for the situation of last year. Frankly it's disgusting, this thread is a disgrace and if you want multi million pound signings and wins ever week, sod off and support Man City.

Albion's a family and we stick it in thick and thin. The club needs your support not your ill informed, football manager armchair criticism. Those who proudly proclaim they've been supporting the Albion 40 odd years would do well to remember the shambles I walked into as a kid and think long and hard how differently it could all be today before being such poor fans.

Albion till I die.

Another referral to the 90's. We can't live in the past. Of course we are in a better position now than back then but times change and so do expectations. How long should we just be grateful to be in the EPL. Why can't we say we are now in our 5th consecutive season in the EPL, we've come a long way and should now push on to the next level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jharman292 on August 30, 2014, 06:44:56 PM
Hi folks, new to the forum, signed up this morning as i dont think the mrs can stand anymore of my moaning so may as well get it down on here. Season ticket holder for a few years now.

As for today, i was dissapointed from the off, i thought not starting Sessegnon was a negative move straight away and gave me little confidence we would get anything from the game.  I along with many others was baffled by the Irvine appointment, anger switfly moved onto acceptance and i got behind him, as i have with any coach or player that has walked through the door. I would like to see him get his signings out on the pitch before making any quick decisions. I dont believe we have started anywhere near our strongest 11 yet. Think he will learn fast that he as to be more positive with  his team selection, the likes of Brunt and Berahino have to be sacrificed for players with more creativity and flair.

It also worries me how he talks about the games as if it is Football Manager on the PC, the way he sets the team up with a game plan and instructions on the oppostion. I do hope he doesnt worry too much about what the opposing team are going to do and gives his own players the confidence and freedom to go out and play. Hopefully he will find that balance, how long he gets to find it is another thing. I fear another bad performance against Everton could be the start of a toxic atmosphere.

Anyway, sorry for rambling. What else if there to talk about on a Saturday evening?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on August 30, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
I said since the minute he was appointed it will be a disaster. I was really hoping to be proved wrong.

You were just saying we haven't won an away game in August and I was just saying we are never usually concerned anyway but this time we are concerned about it because we know we are going one way and that isn't up!

I not really a disaster after 3 games is it? A disaster is being hammered every game and being bottom at the end of the season.

If you're so sure we're going down, any chance of tonight's lottery numbers?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on August 30, 2014, 06:47:16 PM
How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.
can you make that October.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
Hi folks, new to the forum, signed up this morning as i dont think the mrs can stand anymore of my moaning so may as well get it down on here. Season ticket holder for a few years now.

As for today, i was dissapointed from the off, i thought not starting Sessegnon was a negative move straight away and gave me little confidence we would get anything from the game.  I along with many others was baffled by the Irvine appointment, anger switfly moved onto acceptance and i got behind him, as i have with any coach or player that has walked through the door. I would like to see him get his signings out on the pitch before making any quick decisions. I dont believe we have started anywhere near our strongest 11 yet. Think he will learn fast that he as to be more positive with  his team selection, the likes of Brunt and Berahino have to be sacrificed for players with more creativity and flair.

It also worries me how he talks about the games as if it is Football Manager on the PC, the way he sets the team up with a game plan and instructions on the oppostion. I do hope he doesnt worry too much about what the opposing team are going to do and gives his own players the confidence and freedom to go out and play. Hopefully he will find that balance, how long he gets to find it is another thing. I fear another bad performance against Everton could be the start of a toxic atmosphere.

Anyway, sorry for rambling. What else if there to talk about on a Saturday evening?

Welcome to the board. I like to moan and like to do it here  ;D you are in the right place.

Another bad performance and the moaning on here may very well spill out onto the terraces.

Oh and X Factor is just about to start  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
Hi folks, new to the forum, signed up this morning as i dont think the mrs can stand anymore of my moaning so may as well get it down on here. Season ticket holder for a few years now.

As for today, i was dissapointed from the off, i thought not starting Sessegnon was a negative move straight away and gave me little confidence we would get anything from the game.  I along with many others was baffled by the Irvine appointment, anger switfly moved onto acceptance and i got behind him, as i have with any coach or player that has walked through the door. I would like to see him get his signings out on the pitch before making any quick decisions. I dont believe we have started anywhere near our strongest 11 yet. Think he will learn fast that he as to be more positive with  his team selection, the likes of Brunt and Berahino have to be sacrificed for players with more creativity and flair.

It also worries me how he talks about the games as if it is Football Manager on the PC, the way he sets the team up with a game plan and instructions on the oppostion. I do hope he doesnt worry too much about what the opposing team are going to do and gives his own players the confidence and freedom to go out and play. Hopefully he will find that balance, how long he gets to find it is another thing. I fear another bad performance against Everton could be the start of a toxic atmosphere.

Anyway, sorry for rambling. What else if there to talk about on a Saturday evening?

My Mrs asked me how they got on, i said we lost, she said you are in a bad mood then. I confirmed this and told her i was going to take my frustration on this board, twitter and facebook.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 30, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
We got battered in the first half under Mel and should been out of sight. I remember watching us go to Swansea under Hodgson and we were awful and lost 3-0 too. Same under Clarke when we had that great run before going to Swansea and getting outplayed. We just struggle against these every time and it's very annoying.

But we won Pepe Mel was always positive unlike our current head coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
 We are now 4 points worse off after like foe like games considering our record last season against the big boys was pretty good these are points we just cannot afford to give back to the field.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 30, 2014, 06:57:59 PM
I've been reading this forum for donkeys and never usually post on here, but feel compelled to do so after reading this tripe. I honestly feel the quality of our support has never been worse, yet the club is a million times stronger than when I started going to games back in the very early 90's. I remember playing teams like Darlington in the old 3rd division and the support as a kid was bloody fantastic even then. Now it's all prawn sandwiches and fickle fans.

Not saying last season wasn't a shambles and the club screwed up big time but Alan Irvine hasn't done anything wrong so far considering the obstacles of fitness etc he's had to come up against. Knee jerk reactions are exactly what puts clubs into meltdown. Footballs about the long game and there's plenty of time to go this season and it's about time the fans gave him some backing because the boo boys are as guilty as anyone for the situation of last year. Frankly it's disgusting, this thread is a disgrace and if you want multi million pound signings and wins ever week, sod off and support Man City.

Albion's a family and we stick it in thick and thin. The club needs your support not your ill informed, football manager armchair criticism. Those who proudly proclaim they've been supporting the Albion 40 odd years would do well to remember the shambles I walked into as a kid and think long and hard how differently it could all be today before being such poor fans.

Albion till I die.

This my friend is an excellent post, the thread is an embarrassment to the good name of West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 30, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
Obviously the team needs time to gel and get to fitness
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
But we won Pepe Mel was always positive unlike our current head coach
Nothing to confirm he was any good but at least he was positive.

Man United are in exactly the same position (league wise) as us but have the luxury of bringing in £50M players. Do they have a similar thread or do they believe in giving their coach time to show what they are capable of or not. Three games and players whose contracts still have ink drying on them.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 30, 2014, 07:03:40 PM
I've said from the start I'd give him 6 games.

3 games gone and he's done nothing to convince me. That said, he has a solid 2 weeks to work with the (majority) of players so I expect to see improvements vs Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Nothing to confirm he was any good but at least he was positive.

Man United are in exactly the same position (league wise) as us but have the luxury of bringing in £50M players. Do they have a similar thread or do they believe in giving their coach time to show what they are capable of or not. Three games and players whose contracts still have ink drying on them.  ::)

You really comparing Alan Irvine with Louis Van Gaal?

Man Utd fans know they have a proven winner calling the shots and we know we have a proven loser.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 30, 2014, 07:07:52 PM
I've been reading this forum for donkeys and never usually post on here, but feel compelled to do so after reading this tripe. I honestly feel the quality of our support has never been worse, yet the club is a million times stronger than when I started going to games back in the very early 90's. I remember playing teams like Darlington in the old 3rd division and the support as a kid was bloody fantastic even then. Now it's all prawn sandwiches and fickle fans.

Not saying last season wasn't a shambles and the club screwed up big time but Alan Irvine hasn't done anything wrong so far considering the obstacles of fitness etc he's had to come up against. Knee jerk reactions are exactly what puts clubs into meltdown. Footballs about the long game and there's plenty of time to go this season and it's about time the fans gave him some backing because the boo boys are as guilty as anyone for the situation of last year. Frankly it's disgusting, this thread is a disgrace and if you want multi million pound signings and wins ever week, sod off and support Man City.

Albion's a family and we stick it in thick and thin. The club needs your support not your ill informed, football manager armchair criticism. Those who proudly proclaim they've been supporting the Albion 40 odd years would do well to remember the shambles I walked into as a kid and think long and hard how differently it could all be today before being such poor fans.

Albion till I die.


Too true but we had faith in managers, even Gould, Little, Buckley etc. we didn't know how good or bad they would be, but we gave them time then made our judgments.


Now it seems we don't want to give anyone a chance, whether that be players, coaches, managers etc. football is not a computer game with instant gratification and no responsibility.

Spoilt by Sky Sports, replays, constant criticism of referees, players errors - driven by the transfer window on how much you spend not on the quality of player. Pundits throwing around excessive valuations (they of course don't have to pay the fees) and our fans turning into Dingles.

FFS this is Albion live with the highs and lows, the successes and disappointments.


We know what we are and will always follow the Baggies Roller Coaster  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 30, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
Embarrassing thread. Our fans really  have become the worst in  the country. Other supporters mock us now for our meltdowns over everything.
Seriously how can you judge a manager on 3 games? And when the new signings have yet to feature?
Joke fans
Agree entirely. Ok we haven't been wondrous in our first few games but we have created chances, and we have 11 new players entering the squad. That implies that it will take time to get things sorted and not some instant revolution. Against Sunderland we played well and only got a point, thats football. Last week we created some great chances and put the pressure on a striker playing his first game in English football, but that's football too. How anyone can judge a manager upon 3 premier league games is beyond me. I know last season was no fun whatsoever but i do also appreciate that we are in the toughest league in the country for a reason and can't expect to instantly win games. The man needs time, and it's laughable to call for his head 3 games in in my opinion. If things are as bad in 3 or 4 games time, i will be jumping on the bandwagon but i just can't at this early stage. The thing that does concern me more is our lack of strikers, which is not in the managers hands really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
I've been reading this forum for donkeys and never usually post on here, but feel compelled to do so after reading this tripe. I honestly feel the quality of our support has never been worse, yet the club is a million times stronger than when I started going to games back in the very early 90's. I remember playing teams like Darlington in the old 3rd division and the support as a kid was bloody fantastic even then. Now it's all prawn sandwiches and fickle fans.

Not saying last season wasn't a shambles and the club screwed up big time but Alan Irvine hasn't done anything wrong so far considering the obstacles of fitness etc he's had to come up against. Knee jerk reactions are exactly what puts clubs into meltdown. Footballs about the long game and there's plenty of time to go this season and it's about time the fans gave him some backing because the boo boys are as guilty as anyone for the situation of last year. Frankly it's disgusting, this thread is a disgrace and if you want multi million pound signings and wins ever week, sod off and support Man City.

Albion's a family and we stick it in thick and thin. The club needs your support not your ill informed, football manager armchair criticism. Those who proudly proclaim they've been supporting the Albion 40 odd years would do well to remember the shambles I walked into as a kid and think long and hard how differently it could all be today before being such poor fans.

Albion till I die.

That's it, blame the fans for having an opinion and seeing that appointment was a load of rubbish in the first place.

What the fans are upset about and can see happening is that we will be playing Darlington again very soon.

A poor fan is someone who sits back and lets it happen from their armchair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
You really comparing Alan Irvine with Louis Van Gaal?

Man Utd fans know they have a proven winner calling the shots and we know we have a proven loser.
So, as a proven winner and with a squad worth considerably more than ours he is actually doing worse than Alan Irvine? (Knocked out the cup too) He's gorra gew Tom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 30, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
So, as a proven winner and with a squad worth considerably more than ours he is actually doing worse than Alan Irvine? (Knocked out the cup too) He's gorra gew Tom.

Damn right Alans gorra gew Tom.

History says LVG always has a slow start. History says AI always fails dismally.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on August 30, 2014, 07:24:22 PM
Would Irvine been considered by any other premier league club?

Would kiely or downing?

The answer is no on all counts.

They simply ain't good enough.

And don't start with the downing kept us up last season. We've been poor for the last two and bit seasons and the only consistent in that time is downing and kiely!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
So, as a proven winner and with a squad worth considerably more than ours he is actually doing worse than Alan Irvine? (Knocked out the cup too) He's gorra gew Tom.
stick to this club, terrible appointment, no win`s poor pre season results, no track record just what has the bloke got going for him please explain because i just dont see it or are 80% of us blind !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on August 30, 2014, 07:29:12 PM
Another referral to the 90's. We can't live in the past. Of course we are in a better position now than back then but times change and so do expectations. How long should we just be grateful to be in the EPL. Why can't we say we are now in our 5th consecutive season in the EPL, we've come a long way and should now push on to the next level.

And how quickly we forget I seem to remember a young fall back become victim of the boo boys back then can't remember his name Shaun something I think
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 30, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
That's it, blame the fans for having an opinion and seeing that appointment was a load of rubbish in the first place.

What the fans are upset about and can see happening is that we will be playing Darlington again very soon.

A poor fan is someone who sits back and lets it happen from their armchair.

1) We are in the seasons early stages, how can you say its a bad appointment when we've drawn 2, got through the league cups second round and only lost one.
2) Because we had enough quality when it mattered last season, and we've only lost once this season, you think we will plummet 5 leagues?
3) Those who haven't been armchair fans have gone to games and actively booed the team, that's hardly helped has it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on August 30, 2014, 07:30:32 PM
If you thought today was bad then imagine if circumstances don't change regarding players fitness in a fortnights time with Lukaku and Eto running at our backline. :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on August 30, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
So, for those of you saying we need to give him ten or so games. First question, how many points would we need to have by then for you to think "Yeah, so far he has done an ok job, let's keep him?"
So far we have 2 points from 3 games, 7 to go. These are:
Everton (h)
Tottenham (a)
Burnley (h)
Liverpool (a)
Man Utd (h)
Palace (h)
Leicester (a)
Second question, how many points do you think we may get from these games?
Third question, do you still think we should keep him?
For me, a good coach, given a full pre season and 3 full matches, should be making a visible difference. For example, we should look like we are playing a system which has some chance of success, we should be well organised, we should be motivated to do well and it shows. We should be fighting for the cause. We should be playing as a team, not 11 individuals. Are we seeing this? NO. Did we see it when Roy came? YES. Did Palace see it when Pulis came in? YES. Did you see the above list of positive signs from Swansea today? YES. Should AI be given 10 matches? For me, it's a big NO, but I'm sure he will be, so we will no doubt see.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on August 30, 2014, 07:32:46 PM
And how quickly we forget I seem to remember a young fall back become victim of the boo boys back then can't remember his name Shaun something I think

Scott Darton
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 30, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
That's it, blame the fans for having an opinion and seeing that appointment was a load of rubbish in the first place.

What the fans are upset about and can see happening is that we will be playing Darlington again very soon.

A poor fan is someone who sits back and lets it happen from their armchair.

And what exactly is it that a great fan does to improve the situation?

Oh hold on I'll have a go at answering that, protests outside the ground, bed sheet decorations, asks for season ticket refunds, boo's players, coaches & anyone else who doesn't agree with them.

I love The Albion with a passion way beyond my own understanding & have defended the club with said passion over the years when we've come in for pooh from other clubs fans but I NEVER thought I would witness such dingle/villa esque comments from our own fans, I almost wish we did get relegated, maybe we'd lose some of the ridiculous high expectational dreamers.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 07:35:10 PM
stick to this club, terrible appointment, no win`s poor pre season results, no track record just what has the bloke got going for him please explain because i just dont see it or are 80% of us blind !!
Made up statistics always help in a discussion. 80% of.... people in your house, people that you have asked, people registered on this forum,  season ticket holders, West Brom supporters, people called hardtobeat?

The one who actually matters will no doubt fire him when he thinks it appropriate.  After three games is not appropriate and given an opportunity and support,  which it cannot be denied he is being given from the club, he might prove you wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 07:39:50 PM
Made up statistics always help in a discussion. 80% of.... people in your house, people that you have asked, people registered on this forum,  season ticket holders, West Brom supporters, people called hardtobeat?

The one who actually matters will no doubt fire him when he thinks it appropriate.  After three games is not appropriate and given an opportunity and support,  which it cannot be denied he is being given from the club, he might prove you wrong.
80 % of people in a newspaper poll of over 1000 people, you sir would applaud if we appointed the grim reaper just for once stop toeing the party line and accept this bloke has done nothing to justify his appointment!!
 in my lifetime this is right up there with the appointments of Howe, Wylie ,Gould and Smith and will likely end the same  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 07:45:40 PM
And what exactly is it that a great fan does to improve the situation?

Oh hold on I'll have a go at answering that, protests outside the ground, bed sheet decorations, asks for season ticket refunds, boo's players, coaches & anyone else who doesn't agree with them.

I love The Albion with a passion way beyond my own understanding & have defended the club with said passion over the years when we've come in for pooh from other clubs fans but I NEVER thought I would witness such dingle/villa esque comments from our own fans, I almost wish we did get relegated, maybe we'd lose some of the ridiculous high expectational dreamers.
i truly believe the passion is there because i/we care so much and can see this appointment is just so wrong. As i have said before i can see no footballing evidence in the last 5 years that can justify his appointment .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
80 % of people in a newspaper poll of over 1000 people, you sir would applaud if we appointed the grim reaper just for once stop toeing the party line and accept this bloke has done nothing to justify his appointment!!
 in my lifetime this is right up there with the appointments of Howe, Wylie ,Gould and Smith and will likely end the same  >:(
Link?

Supporting the club is what I do.  ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on August 30, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
First defeat of his reign and already five pages of Irvine out   :-[

I'd say I am shocked but I really am not...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 07:59:10 PM
And what exactly is it that a great fan does to improve the situation?

Oh hold on I'll have a go at answering that, protests outside the ground, bed sheet decorations, asks for season ticket refunds, boo's players, coaches & anyone else who doesn't agree with them.

I love The Albion with a passion way beyond my own understanding & have defended the club with said passion over the years when we've come in for pooh from other clubs fans but I NEVER thought I would witness such dingle/villa esque comments from our own fans, I almost wish we did get relegated, maybe we'd lose some of the ridiculous high expectational dreamers.

My point is we have a decent squad and no one who knows exactly what to do with them, we were hoping for an appointment where someone would but unfortunately from what I have seen we haven't and i very much doubt over the next 7 games we will get any points.

We as fans i very much doubt will go down the Blackburn route, but we want our opinions to be heard and that the appointment the club made which they think was top notch, was actually in fact pathetic. The fact that the majority of supporters knew this at the time, not only at the albion but at previous clubs he managed and knowledgeable fans across the country who took the urine is lost on the club.

We aren't asking for Europe or a top 6 position, we are asking for a team that puts some effort in, organised and entertaining, not entertaining in the way we get hammered every week, which is going to be more than likely against Everton in 2 weeks again. We know the premiership isnt easy but I at least want to see my team grind some results out away from home and at home which we clearly haven't done in the last 18 months.

I'm not going to sit here and type positive stuff and that we will improve under AI, because we should have seen signs of that already. We haven't and at the present time we are worse than last season.

But if that's acceptable to you then fair enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
Link?

Supporting the club is what I do.  ;-)
it was the e and s poll and i´ve been supporting the club for over fifty years but the power brokers do make mistakes and this is one !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on August 30, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
Irvine should never have got the job and probably won't have in 6 months but the common disease isn't the 'head coach' it's Downing and 'Deano'...it's an old boys club running our club and it's going to take us down..... Never mind he we could do a 'Leeds' or 'Pompey'....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on August 30, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Think a decision might be made after the Burnley game. Give him till then and see where we are.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 30, 2014, 08:09:10 PM
Think a decision might be made after the Burnley game. Give him till then and see where we are.

I still think that's early, but there would be something in us having that extra 3 weeks or so and the new players bedding.

That's not to say it a "must ave 3 points", it is important, but if we totally outplay them and they park the bus and it ends 1-1 or something, that'll be annoying, but ok. It's the performances and the direction that matters at this point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 30, 2014, 08:16:33 PM
My point is we have a decent squad and no one who knows exactly what to do with them, we were hoping for an appointment where someone would but unfortunately from what I have seen we haven't and i very much doubt over the next 7 games we will get any points.

We as fans i very much doubt will go down the Blackburn route, but we want our opinions to be heard and that the appointment the club made which they think was top notch, was actually in fact pathetic. The fact that the majority of supporters knew this at the time, not only at the albion but at previous clubs he managed and knowledgeable fans across the country who took the pee is lost on the club.

We aren't asking for Europe or a top 6 position, we are asking for a team that puts some effort in, organised and entertaining, not entertaining in the way we get hammered every week, which is going to be more than likely against Everton in 2 weeks again. We know the premiership isnt easy but I at least want to see my team grind some results out away from home and at home which we clearly haven't done in the last 18 months.

I'm not going to sit here and type positive stuff and that we will improve under AI, because we should have seen signs of that already. We haven't and at the present time we are worse than last season.

But if that's acceptable to you then fair enough.
so eloquent and so true
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Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on August 30, 2014, 08:24:42 PM
I agree with all the criticism he is receiving especially after the manner of defeat today. I still can't help but think that if this were Sherwood etc alot of fans wouldn't be up in arms about today as much as they are now just because it's Irvine but I may be totally wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
When we went 2-0 down he had Morrison warming up quite vigorously yet failed to bring him on until the 72nd minute. If he had changed it then I would have been more forgiving even if the defeat had been heavier but he chose to leave it until half time.

I have always said I will give it time but I am worried his inexperience and lack of willingness to change it at times will cost us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 30, 2014, 08:31:43 PM
We always seemed more solid defensively with Mulumbu and Yacob not sure if today it would have been good to have them screening the defense? Especially with our new fullbacks?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 30, 2014, 08:34:18 PM
it was the e and s poll and i´ve been supporting the club for over fifty years but the power brokers do make mistakes and this is one !!
The Wolverhampton based Express and Dingle poll? A good source of representation amongst the intelligent.
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It maybe Irvine is a lemon and after the International break he is not using the tools he has been given and we are showing no signs of improvement and then maybe it will be a more reasonable time to judge him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 30, 2014, 08:41:51 PM
Sessegod:
 
My point is we have a decent squad and no one who knows exactly what to do with them: about 5 of them haven't played yet 
we were hoping for an appointment where someone would but unfortunately from what I have seen we haven't and i very much doubt over the next 7 games we will get any points: please come back on in 7 games & tell me "I told you so" & I'll hold my hand up & say you were right.

We as fans i very much doubt will go down the Blackburn route: from what I've read & seen we're already there
but we want our opinions to be heard and that the appointment the club made which they think was top notch, was actually in fact pathetic. The fact that the majority of supporters knew this at the time, not only at the albion but at previous clubs he managed and knowledgeable fans across the country who took the pee is lost on the club: Is JP really that naive/stupid? .

We aren't asking for Europe or a top 6 position, we are asking for a team that puts some effort in, organised and entertaining, not entertaining in the way we get hammered every week, which is going to be more than likely against Everton in 2 weeks again. We know the premiership isnt easy but I at least want to see my team grind some results out away from home and at home: Sunderland & Southampton which we clearly haven't done in the last 18 months.

I'm not going to sit here and type positive stuff and that we will improve under AI, because we should have seen signs of that already. We haven't and at the present time we are worse than last season: as above.

But if that's acceptable to you then fair enough.

Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture, we've lost a game of football after three games unbeaten, its really not the end of the world.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DevonBaggie on August 30, 2014, 08:44:03 PM
I think some fans will just hate and never accept the manager no matter whos appointed.

I honestly think that us with Irvine is just like Pardew with Newcastle, Some Newcastle fans have never accepted Pardew because subsequently he failed with Southampton when they were in League One, even a 5th place finish and a european adventure never got their fans onside with the appointment.

I honestly think with some fans, even if Irvine completely turns it around and we have our best ever finish in the league, some people will never accept that he was the right appointment

i'm shocked as much as anyone about the Irvine appointment as it was right wing as it was ever going to get but after one bad performance at swansea  (Which we somehow always capitulate badly for some bizarre reason) i'm not going to be out sharpening the knives yet. IMO i still think he will be a big surprise and do really well but thats just a hunch and my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 30, 2014, 08:52:25 PM

I honestly think with some fans, even if Irvine completely turns it around and we have our best ever finish in the league, some people will never accept that he was the right appointment



this will never happen, but i'll be happy to say i was wrong
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2014, 08:54:34 PM
Irvine out already??? Come on, some people need to get a grip.Most of the players aren't fit yet, give the bloke a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2014, 08:56:20 PM
I'm looking for signs of improvement but there simply aren't any. Yes, Irvine plays narrow and compact. We get it, and that's it. No new ideas, no wins, no nothing really. A couple of draws against teams around us isn't going to make our season.

We had better pray our new, as of yet, unseen players are monster players because that is the only thing that is going to save Irvine's job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2014, 08:57:03 PM
this will never happen, but i'll be happy to say i was wrong

People would find a reason for the success though mate. People wouldn't credit Irvine. Just like the Clarke haters credited hodgson for our 8th place finish. Which is just a theory but some fans take it as gospel!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
I think some fans will just hate and never accept the manager no matter whos appointed.

I honestly think that us with Irvine is just like Pardew with Newcastle, Some Newcastle fans have never accepted Pardew because subsequently he failed with Southampton when they were in League One, even a 5th place finish and a european adventure never got their fans onside with the appointment.

I honestly think with some fans, even if Irvine completely turns it around and we have our best ever finish in the league, some people will never accept that he was the right appointment

i'm shocked as much as anyone about the Irvine appointment as it was right wing as it was ever going to get but after one bad performance at swansea  (Which we somehow always capitulate badly for some bizarre reason) i'm not going to be out sharpening the knives yet. IMO i still think he will be a big surprise and do really well but thats just a hunch and my opinion.

Nothing to do with hating anyone. I don't know Alan Irvine and have no reason to hate him at all. Even if he is a resounding success at this club (and even the most staunchest person against him would love that as it means we are going places) I will fail to understand how he actually got the job and how we approached him about it. I will never believe that he was the best man available for the job. If he was the best now why was he not the best when Mel was appointed ?

After this international break he has (on paper) the best squad this club has had available for many many years if not ever and he has turn it around and prove himself to everyone watching.

For me I wouldn't be sorry to see him gone today but I am realistic and know that won't happen but if by the end of October we are in the mix at the bottom and are not winning games then Peace has some thinking to do and if he pulls thr trigger then it calls for a new backroom team to come in, no hanging on to the players mate,. Total clear out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2014, 09:06:03 PM
Just got back.The bloke is clueless.We will most likely loose the next 2 games so the Burnley game is the big one for him.Loose that and i would get rid before its too late
This football is not for me its too negative.We showed no attacking intent whatsoever, its like he played not to get beat anymore than 3 >:(
Dont get me started about captain marvel either.Maybe Downing is to blame oh i dont know, its a mess
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
Nothing to do with hating anyone. I don't know Alan Irvine and have no reason to hate him at all. Even if he is a resounding success at this club (and even the most staunchest person against him would love that as it means we are going places) I will fail to understand how he actually got the job and how we approached him about it. I will never believe that he was the best man available for the job. If he was the best now why was he not the best when Mel was appointed ?

After this international break he has (on paper) the best squad this club has had available for many many years if not ever and he has turn it around and prove himself to everyone watching.

For me I wouldn't be sorry to see him gone today but I am realistic and know that won't happen but if by the end of October we are in the mix at the bottom and are not winning games then Peace has some thinking to do and if he pulls thr trigger then it calls for a new backroom team to come in, no hanging on to the players mate,. Total clear out.


You've put that well.

Personally I can't see Irvine being here very long but then I couldn't see him being appointed in the first place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 09:10:57 PM
As I put on the E and S website, asking Irvine to manage a Premiership club is like asking Mr Magoo to drive an F1 car, its only going to end in a car crash!

I want him to succeed, but nothing in pre season or during August has done anything to make me think that he has the required acumen, I expect us to stagger on  for a few weeks but the outcome looks as inevitable as the Bomber statue finally taking its rightful place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
After this international break he has (on paper) the best squad this club has had available for many many years if not ever and he has turn it around and prove himself to everyone watching.

How can we say we have our best squad for years?

Most of the players we've signed none of us have heard of and are un proven in the prem. we have to see them play and settle in before any of us can judge them. They may be great but they could be rubbish. Do any of us really know yet?

We said the same about our squad last season and looked how that worked out, we got rid of 11 of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DevonBaggie on August 30, 2014, 09:13:37 PM
Nothing to do with hating anyone. I don't know Alan Irvine and have no reason to hate him at all. Even if he is a resounding success at this club (and even the most staunchest person against him would love that as it means we are going places) I will fail to understand how he actually got the job and how we approached him about it. I will never believe that he was the best man available for the job. If he was the best now why was he not the best when Mel was appointed ?

After this international break he has (on paper) the best squad this club has had available for many many years if not ever and he has turn it around and prove himself to everyone watching.

For me I wouldn't be sorry to see him gone today but I am realistic and know that won't happen but if by the end of October we are in the mix at the bottom and are not winning games then Peace has some thinking to do and if he pulls thr trigger then it calls for a new backroom team to come in, no hanging on to the players mate,. Total clear out.
I agree with what you say there, i honestly think that we are paying the price for having the same stale squad for the last 3 or 4 years and we are only readressing it now. We have to be the most unique club in England structure wise because i haven't seen other clubs do the same as we have.

 IMO Downing and Kiely being best mates with the players i don't have a problem with but in general No one really cares as long as we are going well whereas if results don't go our way its seen as poisonous and not helping the cause at all. But to be honest if the whole management ended up putting rockets up players butts and shouting at them, it won't do the morale of the players any good and they will resent them which will end up with them getting sacked anyway! The days of managers shouting and screaming at players whenever a result goes bad is over IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 09:14:10 PM
Irvine out already??? Come on, some people need to get a grip.Most of the players aren't fit yet, give the bloke a chance.

Yes they are.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 09:15:02 PM
How can we say we have our best squad for years?

Most of the players we've signed none of us have heard of and are un proven in the prem. we have to see them play and settle in before any of us can judge them. They may be great but they could be rubbish. Do any of us really know yet?

We said the same about our squad last season and looked how that worked out, we got rid of 11 of them.

I did say on paper and I would say from their track records in the case of Varela, Brown, Samaras etc from the levels they have played at. Just my view to be honest and compared to previous players to compare them with such as El Ghannassy, Moore etc etc who we have brought in.

I have no idea if they will work out but thats upto Irvine to do his job with them
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on August 30, 2014, 09:16:56 PM
We have brought in all these attacking players, but is Irvine adventurous enough to give them a chance?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2014, 09:17:23 PM
Best squad for years maybe but EVER? Not a chance. Go back 35 years. It was more of a team game than a squad game then but nevertheless still much better quality.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
I agree with what you say there, i honestly think that we are paying the price for having the same stale squad for the last 3 or 4 years and we are only readressing it now. We have to be the most unique club in England structure wise because i haven't seen other clubs do the same as we have.

 IMO Downing and Kiely being best mates with the players i don't have a problem with but in general No one really cares as long as we are going well whereas if results don't go our way its seen as poisonous and not helping the cause at all. But to be honest if the whole management ended up putting rockets up players butts and shouting at them, it won't do the morale of the players any good and they will resent them which will end up with them getting sacked anyway! The days of managers shouting and screaming at players whenever a result goes bad is over IMO.

Downing and Kiely have both been good servants and I understand about morale and shouting etc but its stale, the whole setup is stale, we are lurching from one head coach to another with the same staff to work with and its possibly one reason we are not moving on with coaches and stuck in the routine of new coaches in their first jobs or others who are so left field that even they were shocked to be approached.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on August 30, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
What I still didnt understand from the club with all this is:

1) We have had a massive overhaul of the playing staff to be honest
2) A new director of football


Yet we have kept the majority of the backroom team that should have been changed aswell.

 I think Irvines first two games were very good but the next two have been abysmal is he going to be one of them managers with no inbetween....if so he wont last long
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
We have brought in all these attacking players, but is Irvine adventurous enough to give them a chance?


That's just it. You can have the best players in the world but if they are not set up properly you're going nowhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
We have brought in all these attacking players, but is Irvine adventurous enough to give them a chance?

I've seen nothing to suggest that Irvine isn't adventurous. I enjoyed the football we played against Sunderland and Southampton. We were beaten by a very good team today but we will get better. I remember similar concerns when Swansea outplayed us under Hodgson and beat us 3-0. Swansea away just seems to be a very difficult game for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on August 30, 2014, 09:30:03 PM
I think Swansea are streets ahead of us when you look at the quality and type of players they have in their squad.

The difference is they have brought incredibly well over the last couple of years and placed faith in younger players whilst over the last year or two we have plodded from free transfer to loans and not built on the strong nucleus we have at the club.

This summer we have brought a few players who could build themselves bright futures at the club which differs on our signings over the last year or two.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2014, 09:33:51 PM
Best squad for years maybe but EVER? Not a chance. Go back 35 years. It was more of a team game than a squad game then but nevertheless still much better quality.

Yeah, I think ever was a touch OTT  :D

Some of these lot will never be fit to laces the boots of the likes of Bomber, Allen & co.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2014, 10:00:58 PM
I've seen nothing to suggest that Irvine isn't adventurous. I enjoyed the football we played against Sunderland and Southampton. We were beaten by a very good team today but we will get better. I remember similar concerns when Swansea outplayed us under Hodgson and beat us 3-0. Swansea away just seems to be a very difficult game for us.

I agree

Wasn't hodgson negative? I seem to remember a lot of people moaning about his negativity on here. We havent had a positive manager since Di matteo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on August 30, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
As someone who pushed for Koeman, Schaaf and later Sherwood to be appointed, I was completely underwhelmed by Irvine. He was nowhere on my radar.  He seems to have prioritised getting defensive players in, some of whom we saw today. That would seem to fit in with a philosophy of setting teams up not to get beaten.

But, I will withhold a verdict on him at least until we see Valera, Blanco and Samaras, and you have to allow new players some time to gel as a unit. That's if he uses them. We have to see what the balance between defensive/holding players and creative/attacking players will be.


However, the signs are not good.  Its not that we just were beaten by Swansea, it's how we set up that bothered me. If we had come out and taken the game to Swansea and got beaten 3-2, I would be more hopeful. But we set out to contain Swansea with too many similar players and nobody able to make runs forward behind the Swansea defence. Except for Sess, by which time the game was lost.

Also, I hope that Irvine is not going to blame the result on individual errors. Errors are made by all players at the highest levels. What he has to look at, is how he sets the team up, to contain the opposition or go out to win.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2014, 10:13:36 PM
Haven't we always set up like that at Swansea though? I saw nothing different today to what I saw at Swansea under Clarke and hodgson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 30, 2014, 10:14:17 PM
I've seen nothing to suggest that Irvine isn't adventurous. I enjoyed the football we played against Sunderland and Southampton. We were beaten by a very good team today but we will get better. I remember similar concerns when Swansea outplayed us under Hodgson and beat us 3-0. Swansea away just seems to be a very difficult game for us.
 

I agree but both teams allowed us to play at our tempo swansea da. AI could see what was happening & did nothing its that that worries me most. Give him a chance yes but lets keep our eyes open & not paper over the cracks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
As someone who pushed for Koeman, Schaaf and later Sherwood to be appointed, I was completely underwhelmed by Irvine. He was nowhere on my radar.  He seems to have prioritised getting defensive players in, some of whom we saw today. That would seem to fit in with a philosophy of setting teams up not to get beaten.

But, I will withhold a verdict on him at least until we see Valera, Blanco and Samaras, and you have to allow new players some time to gel as a unit. That's if he uses them. We have to see what the balance between defensive/holding players and creative/attacking players will be.

Also, I hope that Irvine is not going to blame the result on individual errors. Errors are made by all players at the highest levels. What he has to look at, is how he sets the team up, to contain the opposition or go out to win.

However, the signs are not good.  Its not that we just were beaten by Swansea, it's how we set up that bothered me. If we had come out and taken the game to Swansea and got beaten 3-2, I would be more hopeful. But we set out to contain Swansea with too many similar players and nobody able to make runs forward behind the Swansea defence. Except for Sess, by which time the game was lost.

Exactly, its not that we lost, its the way we lost that hacks me off!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
We cannot let this fester, Leeds and the mad Sicilian have shown us the way. Wield the axe Jeremy and trim the coaching staff while you're at it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2014, 11:32:12 PM
We cannot let this fester, Leeds and the mad Sicilian have shown us the way. Wield the axe Jeremy and trim the coaching staff while you're at it.


The problem is even if Jeremy Peace did sack Irvine (and he won't, not yet) he will most probably still retain the services of tweedledum and tweedledummer.

Following on from the Mel saga, players comments etc etc it is clear to me that simply changing head coach is not enough. We need to appoint someone proven and let him bring in his own men.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on August 30, 2014, 11:39:52 PM
we always lose against swansea so this result no surprise, at the hawthorns we need to play small technical players like gamboa, blanco, sessegnon, dorrans and play wisdom at centre back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 30, 2014, 11:43:16 PM
we always lose against swansea so this result no surprise, at the hawthorns we need to play small technical players like gamboa, blanco, sessegnon, dorrans and play wisdom at centre back.

We beat them 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
we always lose against swansea so this result no surprise,


No we don't we won there 2-1 last year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on August 30, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
As someone who pushed for Koeman, Schaaf and later Sherwood to be appointed, I was completely underwhelmed by Irvine. He was nowhere on my radar.  He seems to have prioritised getting defensive players in, some of whom we saw today. That would seem to fit in with a philosophy of setting teams up not to get beaten.

But, I will withhold a verdict on him at least until we see Valera, Blanco and Samaras, and you have to allow new players some time to gel as a unit. That's if he uses them. We have to see what the balance between defensive/holding players and creative/attacking players will be.


However, the signs are not good.  Its not that we just were beaten by Swansea, it's how we set up that bothered me. If we had come out and taken the game to Swansea and got beaten 3-2, I would be more hopeful. But we set out to contain Swansea with too many similar players and nobody able to make runs forward behind the Swansea defence. Except for Sess, by which time the game was lost.

Also, I hope that Irvine is not going to blame the result on individual errors. Errors are made by all players at the highest levels. What he has to look at, is how he sets the team up, to contain the opposition or go out to win.
He did
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on August 31, 2014, 12:00:32 AM
we only had a good 25 minutes against swansea when we won, the first half then was similar today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 12:34:44 AM
I'd kill to have Mowbray back at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 31, 2014, 12:57:35 AM
The Wolverhampton based Express and Dingle poll? A good source of representation amongst the intelligent.
.
It maybe Irvine is a lemon and after the International break he is not using the tools he has been given and we are showing no signs of improvement and then maybe it will be a more reasonable time to judge him.
i am intrigued as to why in footballing terms as to why i and any others should blindly support Irvines appointment, i have searched diligently and see no logical reason as to why he got the job !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 31, 2014, 12:59:23 AM
i am intrigued as to why in footballing terms as to why i and any others should blindly support Irvines appointment, i have searched diligently and see no logical reason as to why he got the job !

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 31, 2014, 01:08:12 AM
Who exactly do people expect would come in?

We went for Irvine because we had barely any options in the first place. Yet alone starting the season with a squad not their own playing catch up to the rest of the league. The club's entire set up instantly rules out 90% of managers. You'll get people calling for Pulis no doubt, but that would never happen, he's an old school manager who would never work with the lack of control here.

The only people available for the job the way we work is either people new to management like Clarke was, or older coaches who've failed before and would take any job like Irvine. You're not going to get quality experienced track record coaches coming here.

Good post.

I am confused about the circumstances of his appointment. Did he actually apply for the job or was he approached by the club/JP? I think I previously read a comment from Irvine that it was the latter which supports what you say that the club struggled to find anyone for the position.

I commented on the In Game Chat forum that KD is possibly having a continual influence and I have always maintained that he has to go so that new managers/head coaches can have their own people that understand and share the same ideas on what they want in setting up teams. I don't accept this belief of JP of the importance of retaining backroom staff when making a new head coach appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 31, 2014, 01:09:09 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/)

That's just propaganda. He doesn't really believe that. I'd back my staff to a third party even if I knew they were dog pooh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 31, 2014, 01:15:26 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/)
Sorry thats just the party line. If thats really the case how come he hasnt been working in a first team environment for so long??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 31, 2014, 01:19:31 AM
Sorry thats just the party line. If thats really the case how come he hasnt been working in a first team environment for so long??

And if he really was the best coach in the country then he wouldnt come to us in the first place. Especially working in our structure!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on August 31, 2014, 01:21:56 AM
That's just propaganda. He doesn't really believe that. I'd back my staff to a third party even if I knew they were dog pooh.


Yep.

Somebody's comment means absolutely nothing. I've never listened to a word any politician has said, nor anyone in higher management, nor anyone in sales, nor anyone inside horse racing, nor anyone inside football. Anyone can say anything it's all means absolutely zilch.

Evidence is all around everyone of us but most disregard it and get taken in by media / press and peers.

Irvine has done nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest he's even a top Championship coach and that is fact. Look up his stats, it's simple enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on August 31, 2014, 01:24:20 AM
I've said it elsewhere but (and I was very anti on appointment)  we surely can't judge him until the players he's brought in become involved collectively. I feel he's a bit of a sitting duck at the minute. 
I agree to an extent with the issues people have regarding to the fitness of the newbies but if it means we have an excellent team in the long run its beneficial surely.  People are knocking him as playing defensive football but the players brought in are quite the opposite,  we have to give the bloke a chance,  I've been impressed with the appointments and I'm pretty hard to please, let's see how we are doing in a month or two before getting too negative.  We haven't even seen half of the new additions yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionDaz on August 31, 2014, 02:20:33 AM
Agree with Slugga,he hasn't had barely enough time to work on this team at all,Iwasn't impressed by his appointment either,but some of you guys need to look at the big picture before coming down on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on August 31, 2014, 02:45:37 AM
I'd kill to have Mowbray back at the club.

Atleast the football was entertaining.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on August 31, 2014, 02:50:03 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/)

Not being funny but if you are a employer who has just took someone on you aren't going to admit he wasn't first choice or admit it is a risky move. You would sing their praises to install confidence in that particular person. I was gutted when he was appointed and I'm genuinely worried about our mentality away from home. It looks as though we are going away from home just to pick up draws. As things stand I can't see where the goals are going to come from that's not a dig at the strikers it's just that days like yesterday we shown a clear lack of intelligence or ambition going forward. The strikers had no service what's so ever. Maybe though just maybe the international break has come at the right time for us so we can now work on getting a few players fitness levels in order.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 31, 2014, 02:57:59 AM
I've said it elsewhere but (and I was very anti on appointment)  we surely can't judge him until the players he's brought in become involved collectively. I feel he's a bit of a sitting duck at the minute. 
I agree to an extent with the issues people have regarding to the fitness of the newbies but if it means we have an excellent team in the long run its beneficial surely.  People are knocking him as playing defensive football but the players brought in are quite the opposite,  we have to give the bloke a chance,  I've been impressed with the appointments and I'm pretty hard to please, let's see how we are doing in a month or two before getting too negative.  We haven't even seen half of the new additions yet.

Well, if the new players can dig Irvine out of this hole they deserve every penny of their salary, because atm I feel they will do so despite Irvine's tactics rather than thanks to them. Irvine really has to step up his game and pronto, but we have said that since his appointment and so far there has been zero evidence that he is learning or changing. When will he change? He will not change, very simply; it is futile to hope for change. I will believe it when I see it tbh.

So, that leaves us with the new guys being good enough to carry us for the rest of the season and god help us if we have injuries to those players, because what we saw at Swansea will relegate us way before Christmas if we keep being as clueless and hopeless as that.

If Irvine is such a brilliant coach drop him back to #2 and bring in a brilliant tactician and motivator to replace him. Life is too short and precious to watch poo football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on August 31, 2014, 06:36:40 AM


Only 2 points from 3 games....downward spiral.......Van Gaal/Martinez must go now!



I cannot believe some of the stuff i am reading here...FFS we are 3 League games in.

We have completely rebuilt the squad as best we can with the resources we have. Half of our first team has not even played together yet.

We will still suffer a hangover from the last 18 months debacle, thats not Alan Irvines fault.

The person responsible has admitted he got things wrong and has scrapped to put things right in all sorts of areas.

TBH our only realistic ambition this year should be to remain a Premiership team.

We should not expect anymore given how we escaped by the skin of our teeth last season.

If after 10 games we are looking in dire straits, than we should look at Plan B...with all the action we have taken in the close season we do not deserve to be in that position...but football, like life, is not fair and if we have to take action then we must...but we ain't anywhere near there yet.





Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on August 31, 2014, 08:20:42 AM
I think we need a touch of realism and look at the fact that we have 11 new signings into the club, most not match fit and even when they are they will more than likely need time to settle in and get to know each other.
Like it or not we have what we have for a season at least, swapping and changing the manager every time we loose a few and we could end up with more managers than wins.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 31, 2014, 08:32:08 AM
I think we need a touch of realism and look at the fact that we have 11 new signings into the club, most not match fit and even when they are they will more than likely need time to settle in and get to know each other.
Like it or not we have what we have for a season at least, swapping and changing the manager every time we loose a few and we could end up with more managers than wins.
We have already  :D :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 31, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/)

“I know Alan Irvine is arguably the best coach in the UK at the moment in terms of working on a day-to-day basis with the players,”

I could 'argue' that I make Brad Pitt look like Peter Beardsley. And I'm not bothered about how well he works on a day to day basis with the players. I want to see results. Peace has played a blinder this pre-season but the whole coaching team are utter dross.

As others have said, propaganda.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2014, 09:01:10 AM
If Irvine is the magnificent coach that Burton and a number of players have been queuing up to say that he is, this needs to manifest itself in some tangible way in matches, otherwise what's the point? So far, I've seen nothing that backs up the comments from Burton/players.

Before the season started, many agreed on the importance of the first 6 matches. We're half way through that and have got just 2 points out of a possible 9, so I think we now need 2 wins out of the next 3 games if we're not to be in a very difficult position going into the remainder of the season. Over to you Mr Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2014, 09:07:38 AM
Could be significant that the only success that we've had against Swansea was under Pepe because we pressed them. Yesterday we didn't press - they had loads of time on the ball. They did press us and gave us much less time on the ball.
You'd think that Downing, Brunt, Olsson, Foster etc. who have faced Swansea several times would have realised what was going on.
That said, two individual mistakes put us out of the game at an early stage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 31, 2014, 09:10:50 AM

If after 10 games we are looking in dire straits, than we should look at Plan B...with all the action we have taken in the close season we do not deserve to be in that position...but football, like life, is not fair and if we have to take action then we must...but we ain't anywhere near there yet.


So two points in thee games that we really should have had four to six from. Let's not overlook for one minute how appalling we were against Oxford United - Irvine's natural league level. Games 4 and 5 very tough for us.

That will make Burnley a MUST win. At game six we might have five points, maybe, based on what I've seen.

Games 7 and 8. Do we really think we will win those two???

Which then makes Palace, Leicester and Newcastle absolutely essential, because after that 11th match we have Chelsea and Arsenal.

We need to get points on the board against Spurs and Everton to be frank because if not we are  in deep doo doo by end of November.

Not negative, realistic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on August 31, 2014, 09:14:58 AM
http://coachdaveblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/early-days-or-numbered-days-for-alan.html?m=1 (http://coachdaveblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/early-days-or-numbered-days-for-alan.html?m=1)

Good relevant blog
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2014, 09:31:57 AM
Over reactions galore. I don't think there's a case that we should have had 6 points. We travelled to teams who are in the same group as us in terms of ability but arguably at the top end of that group. You could say Sunderland was a disappointment but it was a good performance.

On the other hand the last 2 performances were very poor and Irvine needs to buck that trend fast, drop the dead wood and get the new boys fit and firing for us by September 13th.

I can now longer see no place in the starting line up for Dorrans or Brunt and Dawson needs dropping too with Wisdom either playing at RCB or not at all.

I'll judge Irvine once all the new players are in. I do however worry, that he sets up to stifle opponents rather than just playing our own game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 31, 2014, 10:07:53 AM
http://coachdaveblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/early-days-or-numbered-days-for-alan.html?m=1 (http://coachdaveblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/early-days-or-numbered-days-for-alan.html?m=1)

Good relevant blog

Great blog. Well written and balanced... let's hope the international break galvanises us....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 10:14:58 AM
He's not going anywhere. We've seen this sort of performance from Albion at Swansea many times, under Hodgson, under Clarke, Under Mel we should have been out of sight at half time too. Whenever we go to Swansea we seem to really struggle against them.

I'm not turning this into a Mel/Irvine battle but Irvine should have watched the DVD of last season and he would have learned alot.

Under Mel last season we went there with similar intentions of restricting them to a 0-0. We were utterly hopeless. Thankfully, in the second half Pepe reverted to a modernised approach, pressurising them further up the pitch, giving them no time on the ball and controlling the majority of that second half. It was entertaining stuff and several players flourished.

Yesterday we went for the 0-0 and even after going behind nothing changed. It just seem to be that we accepted defeat and couldn't wait to get home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2014, 10:20:59 AM
Yes despite all the talk of Downing and the players running the show and not Pepe, there were games where we clearly changed to more of a pressing game when the other approach wasn't working.....Swansea being one of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 31, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
I want a pressing game. Simple as.

1978 motto - ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 10:31:20 AM
The signs I feared when Alan Irvine was appointed are suddenly starting to come to the core. I'm seeing signs in our side that were so similar at Sheffield Wednesday and his tenure there has been widely described by most Wednesdayites as one of the worst periods in their history.

It was ultra negative with the mindset being on keeping a clean sheet and restricting Swansea. That is OK but you're not going to restrict sides when you allow them the freedom of the wings and allow them time on the ball to dictate the game and play their little triangle, intricate passing. More worryingly was how we seemingly accepted the defeat and made little impact in the game. It was virtually a none show throughout the whole 90 minutes with us creating very little until the introduction of Sessegnon - a player who it appears Alan Irvine doesn't trust. He is without doubt our best attacking threat, our lifeline and should be in this side.

I do think its slightly premature for the Irvine out shouts just yet and I'll outline my reasons now. I would hope and pray, although I don't believe it to be true, that the negative, conservative football is purely down to the lack of options Irvine has had available to him. I would hope that when the likes of Varela, Samaras and Blanco are fit we might just possibly be slightly more adventurous, but then I think back to Irvine's reign at Wednesday and the longer he lasted the more negative he became when results weren't forthcoming.

To summarise, it's going to be a bloody tough job for him and there have been some promising signs in our opening two fixtures but ultimately our last two fixtures (including the cup game) have been very, very worrying. If Irvine is going to be a success here then he requires a major re-think - he has to open up and allow some of these players to flourish, that is when they're fit of course.

My major concern is that Irvine, like many will continue to be stubborn and continue with our negative, conservative approach and if he does continue with that then he won't last very long with sections of our support.

Over to you, Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on August 31, 2014, 10:31:45 AM
I think we need a touch of realism and look at the fact that we have 11 new signings into the club, most not match fit and even when they are they will more than likely need time to settle in and get to know each other.
Like it or not we have what we have for a season at least, swapping and changing the manager every time we loose a few and we could end up with more managers than wins.
Can anyone explain to me why half (?) the players that we bought in are not match fit and need time to gel etc, when every other team seems to buy players who go straight into their side? Seriously?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on August 31, 2014, 10:48:19 AM
Maybe if we had brought them ready to go they would have been a lot more.. Does a couple of weeks really matter in the scheme of things ?..  Id rather be 100% than, have players crocked after 1 game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 31, 2014, 11:05:55 AM
Ive said it before

AI Should focus on winning our games and our team tactics and not focussed on stifling the opposition.  Hopefully he will do this when the players that are now here get fit!

Im still struggling to see how someone who is on £20k + Per week cant get fit enough for 90 minutes of football but thats a different subject!  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 11:09:57 AM
Can anyone explain to me why half (?) the players that we bought in are not match fit and need time to gel etc, when every other team seems to buy players who go straight into their side? Seriously?
Because it is a myth.

Arsenal, brought in 7 players last match 3 started (one played 45 mins) 4 didn't feature in any capacity.

Villa, brought in 7 players. Last match 3 started and two were on the bench.

Burnley,  brought in 6 players. Last match 1 started and 4 were on the bench.

Chelsea, brought in 5 players. Last match 2 started and 2 were on the bench.

Could go on but illustrates point.  We started with 4 new recruits, and had another 2 on the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on August 31, 2014, 11:11:50 AM
The fitness excuse is rubbish, the can easily play the last 20/30 mins of a game. Samaras will go and play 90 minutes for Greece next week! I wasn't impressed with the appointment and after the oxford game I don't think he has much time to keep the fans onside. Been a truly disastrous week for irvine at a time when things were looking good. He loses the next two and I think he's gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on August 31, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
He has only selected starting players he has worked with so far in pre-season; Ideye was a forced inclusion as was Davidson. If he believes he is doing the right thing bedding them in slowly and observing them a bit first he is making a mistake if you ask me. We do not have the time or the quality without these players being included sooner rather than later. It's inconsequential now anyway he has a 2 week break with most of his new players to get them up to speed for Everton. I'm hoping to see a very different team and much improved performance against the toffees or I'm going to be very concerned. It would be typical for him to get his first league win against his former club. I sincerely hope that this happens. I'll judge him more on September than August in fairness to him but this is a results driven industry he knows that well. We must start winning games of football soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on August 31, 2014, 11:22:39 AM
There's also injury concerns playing players that aren't 100% fit  makes them more prone to strains and pulls. It's frustrating but it's a long season. Our internationals will play 90 minutes because there countries can afford for them to be out for the next few months and have a greater pool of players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on August 31, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
Downing still has far too much influence IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 31, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
I feel sorry for him, Everytime someone asks about him as a coach, they say he's amazing and probably one of the best, but if that's so? Why Arnt any of the players fit? I don't want to see all of these new signings in a starting line up at once, I think different opponents different lineups, for example

Against, City, United, Chelski, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton I'd like to see.

4-5-1

Foster

Poco
Lescott
Olsson
Gamboa

Yacob
Mulumbu
Blanco
Sessengnon
Varela

Ideye

Subs: Myhill Gmac Dawson Samaras Berahino Davidson
Anichebe



Against everyone else

4-1-2-1-2

Foster

Poco
Lescott
Olsson
Gamboa

Mulumbu

Blanco
Varela

Sessegnon

Berahino
Ideye

Subs: Myhill Dawson Gmac Samaras Anichebe Dorrans Davidson
Yacob
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 31, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
Agreed, they call him dingle downing for a reason  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2014, 11:36:25 AM
Anybody with me that the team selection against Everton will be the same that started against Southampton despite the 2 weeks he will have with most of the new players, and consequently propping up the table come 2 weeks today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 31, 2014, 12:07:22 PM
Anybody with me that the team selection against Everton will be the same that started against Southampton despite the 2 weeks he will have with most of the new players, and consequently propping up the table come 2 weeks today.

Yep.

Irvine has talked for a weeks about getting width and flair players in.

We now have players who may fit that bill but the team selection will still be based on limiting the opposition rather than taking the game to teams.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on August 31, 2014, 12:22:30 PM
It actually makes me laugh, that when we've played teams like Man U in the past, and ran at them and attacked them, we got something from the game and they've ended up looking poor.

Games where we sit back, we lose. History repeated itself yesterday. We can't make excuses like AI is, saying "the early goal rocked us". Yes, it can have an impact, but every team is going to concede goals, you need to learn how to come back and fight. Yesterday there wasn't an ounce of fight and the players showed no passion whatsoever.

It genuinely makes me wander how much time JP will give AI. He's only on a one year contract so if he decides to fire him at Christmas he won't have to pay much out.

I was very upset when I saw AI was appointed. To me, everything about AI is just amateur - his excuses, his interviews, his evaluations...I just do not like him and not matter what he does for the Albion, I want him gone. If he keeps us up then he will have done his job, but I will not be signing any petitions asking to keep him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on August 31, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
He's already on thin ice lose to Everton and spurs and none of the new men appear he'll be gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2014, 12:36:37 PM
He's already on thin ice lose to Everton and spurs and none of the new men appear he'll be gone



Praise the lord, not that i want us to loose football matches mind, trouble is whis this bloke in charge who shouldnt be there anyway, i just cant see us winning a single game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: CL3MO on August 31, 2014, 12:40:21 PM


Praise the lord, not that i want us to loose football matches mind, trouble is whis this bloke in charge who shouldnt be there anyway, i just cant see us winning a single game

I think that feeling of thinking 'I can't see us winning another game' stretches back to last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 01:04:50 PM
I think that feeling of thinking 'I can't see us winning another game' stretches back to last season.

Not at all, I always fancied our chances with Mel in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2014, 01:17:10 PM
Not at all, I always fancied our chances with Mel in charge.



Me too, defensive frailties no better i see
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 01:31:57 PM


Me too, defensive frailties no better i see

There is no way we're better off now than we were at the end of last season. Coaching Staff wise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on August 31, 2014, 01:33:26 PM
I think Mel could have done something with the players we have at our disposal now. I have much less faith Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2014, 01:35:34 PM
There is no way we're better off now than we were at the end of last season. Coaching Staff wise.



Looking back the attacking intent we had with Mel, you telling me Downing was behind that.This current bunch aint mustered half a dozen attempts on goal in 3 games yet
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 31, 2014, 01:55:19 PM
I think Mel could have done something with the players we have at our disposal now. I have much less faith Irvine.

Agree entirely King Koren, Mel would have got these players integrated into the team already. Time will tell in two weeks time if AI picks the same 11 then he needs to be sacked.
It is Irvine's jobs to make sure that the players are fit and ready for selection
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 31, 2014, 02:37:56 PM
Too many of the old guard still around players and staff included. We needed a complete clearout. Until that happens we will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 02:40:57 PM
Agree entirely King Koren, Mel would have got these players integrated into the team already. Time will tell in two weeks time if AI picks the same 11 then he needs to be sacked.
It is Irvine's jobs to make sure that the players are fit and ready for selection
But that's not actually true is it?  Mel failed to man manage the squad we had so to suggest that he could integrate our new players is fanciful. Mel is being put on to a pedestal that he neither earned nor necessarily deserves. Bloke wasn't given a chance, granted, but can we say this one is either?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on August 31, 2014, 02:55:42 PM
If, as he stated, Mr Peace is taking control and in charge again, then I hope he has a contingency plan in place for the possible removal of Irvine if results do not improve in the next six games.
It used to be said that Albion were always looking for the next manager as soon as one was appointed, but after the fiascos surrounding the last two appointments we cannot afford to take four weeks plus to get someone in.
I hope that Irvine does come good as that would be best for albion but if he does go we need to take out the whole management team, Downing, Kiely and all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiebulldog on August 31, 2014, 03:02:35 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 31, 2014, 03:04:44 PM
But that's not actually true is it?  Mel failed to man manage the squad we had so to suggest that he could integrate our new players is fanciful. Mel is being put on to a pedestal that he neither earned nor necessarily deserves. Bloke wasn't given a chance, granted, but can we say this one is either?

Disagree Mel was never allowed to manage the squad because the club is rotten to the core with people looking after there own agenda, yet he still did his job by keeping the club in the premier league, answer one question would you rather watch a Pepe Mel team than a Alan Irvine team yes every time. Mel was always proactive in his substitutions and not reactive.
The best football we played all last season was when Mel was head coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 31, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.

But we haven't won the first 3 have we!  let's see where we are after the next three games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 31, 2014, 03:10:48 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.



What you on about Fickle, no body would have choosen him from the off.95% of Albion fans will be proved right in the end
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.

We won't win 3 on the trot ever when he is in charge never mind the first three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 31, 2014, 03:15:15 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.
He didn't though did he.
Complaining on a forum about inept performances and negative tactics is not fickle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on August 31, 2014, 03:38:49 PM
But we haven't won the first 3 have we!  let's see where we are after the next three games

But how far do we let the 'mission creep' go? Are we really going to sacrifice two seasons, maybe more (one PL relegation season, one (if lucky) promotion season) just 'to see' if Alan Irvine actually is up to the head coach job? As I said before our one chance is that our unseen signings are cracking PL players capable of carrying a core of championship players over the line. But even in that scenario the major question remains if that happens will it be thanks to, or despite Alan Irvine?

I'm all for giving people a chance but there has been NO sign Irvine is creating a good side, it is even more negative than Clark stuff we are seeing and now, on top, we lost what little danger we carried on the counter attack. We have played three very winnable games and haven't looked even close to winning any of them (never mind the Oxford farce).

In fact we may have a scenario where our new signings come in, we win a couple of games to keep Irvine in the job, only for those wins to paper over the very real cracks that are obvious to all. Then we go back to losing games and suddenly it is panic stations and time to bring in someone to save our season (most likely too late).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on August 31, 2014, 03:43:05 PM
I would take every other premiership manager over Irvine except for Warnock and that is not because he's worse than Irvine, its I just I really don't like him. Every other prem manager is better than ours!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on August 31, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
I dont think it matters how many new/fit players we have, i dont think AI is the man to bring the best out of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on August 31, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
 Every pundit and the vast majority of Albion fans will be proved right in the next month that Alan Irvine one excuse after another is not a Premiership coach. the lessons of last year have not been learnt poor player recruitment and before i get shot down why sign players who are unfit the premiership starts in August not October and we have a Fixture list that will make it very very difficult to get points in the final run-in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 04:37:46 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.

I don't think anybody is being fickle to be honest.

Members on this forum are quite rightly expressing their opinions whether they are positive or negative and they're allowed to do so without being described as 'fickle'.

As it stands, we haven't won any of our opening three games and after yesterdays complete non-show they are deserving of the criticism.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 04:48:31 PM
I don't think anybody is being fickle to be honest.

Members on this forum are quite rightly expressing their opinions whether they are positive or negative and they're allowed to do so without being described as 'fickle'.

As it stands, we haven't won any of our opening three games and after yesterdays complete non-show they are deserving of the criticism.

So starting threads Irvine out, Kiely out & Downing out after three games isn't fickle, I'd say bulldog has got it spot on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on August 31, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
Every pundit and the vast majority of Albion fans will be proved right in the next month that Alan Irvine one excuse after another is not a Premiership coach. the lessons of last year have not been learnt poor player recruitment and before i get shot down why sign players who are unfit the premiership starts in August not October and we have a Fixture list that will make it very very difficult to get points in the final run-in.

This is my biggest concern, far more than the fact that Alan Irvine is in charge.

We KNEW that we had to get off to a good start because the back end of our season is so tough. The first and third quarters of our fixture list is where the vast majority of our points need to come from.

So why did we leave so many of our new signings so late?  We KNEW we had lost a load of players at the end of last season. Surely it was obvious that we needed to get players in for pre-season and for all the pre-season friendlies.

Instead, we are playing catch-up, and missing out on vital points in the first half of the first quarter could well relegate us.

Bad luck I can live with. Bad planning is a different matter altogether. Signing a load of players who are unfit for our first few games is nothing less than bad planning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on August 31, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
So starting threads Irvine out, Kiely out & Downing out after three games isn't fickle, I'd say bulldog has got it spot on.
The problem is that many fans myself included can see nothing in Irvines cv that says he will massively improve us quickly. Its not wishing him ill its a matter of wanting/needing somebody with the nous to steer us through this season if that means somebody other than Irvine then the longer he gets the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on August 31, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
lol people are still talking about pepe mel, the only positive he brought is keeping dorrans
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 31, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
So starting threads Irvine out, Kiely out & Downing out after three games isn't fickle, I'd say bulldog has got it spot on.

In the case of Keily and Downing I think it stretches a lot further back than 3 games. I actually feel sorry for Irvine. He's way out of his depth and has started off with a poor side. The new signings are way off being fit and are unknown quantities at this level anyhow. The one thing he can be criticised for is the negative approach to games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mat15(MH) on August 31, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
Not sure it's really that fickle. Fickle would mean everyone saying he was great to start with, and now criticising after his first defeat. I think a lot of folk have been pretty consistent in their views on Irvine from the off. Now whether you agree with those views is another thing entirely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 31, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
lol people are still talking about pepe mel, the only positive he brought is keeping dorrans

I wouldn't say that was a positive.  Dorrans along with Brunt and Morrison are a big part of the reason we've struggled over the last 18 months. They aren't good enough anymore. We are stale in the midfield area which is where games are won and lost.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
I don't think anybody is being fickle to be honest.

Members on this forum are quite rightly expressing their opinions whether they are positive or negative and they're allowed to do so without being described as 'fickle'.

As it stands, we haven't won any of our opening three games and after yesterdays complete non-show they are deserving of the criticism.
I agree they aren't fickle they are just unrealistic.  Bringing in 11 players and expecting them to gel immediately would challenge any coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 31, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
I agree they aren't fickle they are just unrealistic.  Bringing in 11 players and expecting them to gel immediately would challenge any coach.
Spurs last season are proof of that. I just think people wanted not only organisation but a bit of attacking and fight from the team, that seems to have been lost!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
The problem is that many fans myself included can see nothing in Irvines cv that says he will massively improve us quickly. Its not wishing him ill its a matter of wanting/needing somebody with the nous to steer us through this season if that means somebody other than Irvine then the longer he gets the better.

I do get it mate, I really do get the fact that many don't/didn't want him, every second post I read says the same, with respect you all don't need to keep telling us............... we know.

The post I responded to was a reference as to whether or not there are many 'fickle' fans on here, Liam disagreed & I agreed, simple as that.

For the record, I doubt you will find many Albion fans (myself included) that were happy with the appointment, its just that a few (myself included) are prepared to give him a chance & see what we're like once he has a fully fit squad to choose from & certainly not starting embarrassing threads demanding the removal of the entire coaching staff. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:20:26 PM
So starting threads Irvine out, Kiely out & Downing out after three games isn't fickle, I'd say bulldog has got it spot on.

I don't think the Kiely and Downing views are fickle because they are views which have been floating across the fan base for at least twelve months now with very little change.

Irvine wasn't wanted from the start so it hardly comes as a surprise to see those sort of threads no matter how premature they may be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Not sure it's really that fickle. Fickle would mean everyone saying he was great to start with, and now criticising after his first defeat. I think a lot of folk have been pretty consistent in their views on Irvine from the off. Now whether you agree with those views is another thing entirely.

Maybe you need to flick back a few pages to just after the first 2 games & then flick back a bit more to before the season kicked off, I think 'fickle' is a tidy description.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
Maybe you need to flick back a few pages to just after the first 2 games & then flick back a bit more to before the season kicked off, I think 'fickle' is a tidy description.
 

Problem is the first 2 games weren't that good, they could be described as slightly better than expected. But to my mind, throwing away 2 points at home to a relegation rival and then parking the bus away at a relegation rival is not a successful start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 31, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
I do get it mate, I really do get the fact that many don't/didn't want him, every second post I read says the same, with respect you all don't need to keep telling us............... we know.

The post I responded to was a reference as to whether or not there are many 'fickle' fans on here, Liam disagreed & I agreed, simple as that.

For the record, I doubt you will find many Albion fans (myself included) that were happy with the appointment, its just that a few (myself included) are prepared to give him a chance & see what we're like once he has a fully fit squad to choose from & certainly not starting embarrassing threads demanding the removal of the entire coaching staff.

I agree with that, but my gripe with Irvine is he has done exactly what was predicted, played very negative football and worse, when twice in winning positions, he has made negative substitutions that have cost us goals.

I don't want him sacked, yet, but I'm more than 50% inclined towards looking for replacement, because he is just fulfilling the prophecies that were made.

We have had nearly two years now of dreadful football, how we are in the Premiership god only knows.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:28:27 PM
Problem is the first 2 games weren't that good, they could be described as slightly better than expected. But to my mind, throwing away 2 points at home to a relegation rival and then parking the bus away at a relegation rival is not a successful start.

Please expand  :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:29:14 PM
I commented after the Southampton game that we had at least built a solid foundation under Irvine that we looked organised which is what I expected from an Irvine side.

The last two games have been the complete opposite where we've looked very unorganised and resembled a rabble which was synonymous of last season. Our defending against Sunderland was hardly something to admire either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
Please expand  :-\

We parked the bus at Southampton who will be 14th or below come May.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:34:47 PM
We parked the bus at Southampton who will be 14th or below come May.

You could make the case that we parked the bus yesterday too..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
I agree with that, but my gripe with Irvine is he has done exactly what was predicted, played very negative football and worse, when twice in winning positions, he has made negative substitutions that have cost us goals.
There is no way of knowing whether the substitution has cost us goals or not but if it suits your arguement we can accept it as fact  ;) (Sunderland scored down our right hand side which was completely unchanged from the start.)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 31, 2014, 05:38:47 PM
You could make the case that we parked the bus yesterday too..

Bloody worked as well  :o


for 90 seconds  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
We parked the bus at Southampton who will be 14th or below come May.

I'm really struggling to work out if you're just on a WU to be honest, firstly, we DIDN'T  'park the bus' at Southampton, secondly, do you have a crystal ball to back up that statement of finishing 14th? & finally, how does 14th equate to a relegation rival?.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
You could make the case that we parked the bus yesterday too..

Indeed but Swansea are not a relegation rival imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:39:51 PM
There is no way of knowing whether the substitution has cost us goals or not but if it suits your arguement we can accept it as fact  ;) (Sunderland scored down our right hand side which was completely unchanged from the start.)

You could say that but you could also suggest we gave other sides the initiative by bringing off our better players that enable us to control a game and replacing them with defensive midfielders..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
Bloody worked as well  :o


for 90 seconds  ::)

I initially wrote we parked the bus but left the doors and windows open but I was slightly worried it didn't make any sense  :D

Even at 2-0 the bus was still parked because we still couldn't cross the cowin half way line!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:41:50 PM
I'm really struggling to work out if you're just on a WU to be honest, firstly, we DIDN'T  'park the bus' at Southampton, secondly, do you have a crystal ball to back up that statement of finishing 14th? & finally, how does 14th equate to a relegation rival?.


14th or below... they could finish 14th 1 point above the team in 18th... It's you on the wind-up.

I went to Southampton and saw first hand us parking the bus. In interviews after the game Soton players accused us of parking the bus. The media in the ensuing week said we parked the bus.

QED we parked the bus.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on August 31, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Teams that "have a go" generally do better thats a FACT!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 31, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
& finally, how does 14th equate to a relegation rival?.

Sunderland finished 14th last season and up until they beat us a week or two before the season finished they had spent most of the season behind us so I think it's safe to say that even if you do finish 14th you're likely to have been in a relegation battle throughout the season.

In the season before Southampton finished 14th and were only four points off the relegation zone and they had spent most of that season fighting relegation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
I initially wrote we parked the bus but left the doors and windows open but I was slightly worried it didn't make any sense  :D

Even at 2-0 the bus was still parked because we still couldn't cross the cowin half way line!
If we had started with Baird, Mulumbu, Yacob and Gardner with non attacking full backs I would accept we parked the bus. We actually failed because, Dorrans and Brunt particularly, failed to link with either the back four or the front one/two.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:47:12 PM


14th or below... they could finish 14th 1 point above the team in 18th... It's you on the wind-up.

I went to Southampton and saw first hand us parking the bus. In interviews after the game Soton players accused us of parking the bus. The media in the ensuing week said we parked the bus.

QED we parked the bus.

Oh well, if the Southampton players said it & the media (haha) said it & of course 'you' said it, it MUST be true, maybe we should all just believe what we're told & not bother to have an opinion of what we see with our own eyes. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
Teams that "have a go" generally do better thats a FACT!
Or even an opinion  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Sunderland finished 14th last season and up until they beat us a week or two before the season finished they had spent most of the season behind us so I think it's safe to say that even if you do finish 14th you're likely to have been in a relegation battle throughout the season.

In the season before Southampton finished 14th and were only four points off the relegation zone and they had spent most of that season fighting relegation.

Realistically, any team outside the top 6 or 7 are relegation candidates, Jacko's inference was that Southampton are not a good team as they are 'relegation rivals', I disagree. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 31, 2014, 05:53:49 PM
We didn't park the bus at Southampton at all. If true then we would have spent the second half camped in our own half whereas in reality we were the one's creating the best opportunities and Ideye had two very good chances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:55:46 PM
Oh well, if the Southampton players said it & the media (haha) said it & of course 'you' said it, it MUST be true, maybe we should all just believe what we're told & not bother to have an opinion of what we see with our own eyes.

That's what I'm doing. You're very confrontational aren't you? Almost as if you're determined to go against the grain irrespective of what is actually happening before your eyes just to be different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 31, 2014, 05:56:40 PM


14th or below... they could finish 14th 1 point above the team in 18th... It's you on the wind-up.

I went to Southampton and saw first hand us parking the bus. In interviews after the game Soton players accused us of parking the bus. The media in the ensuing week said we parked the bus.

QED we parked the bus.
Took two points off a relegation rival at home. Good work Alan Irvine ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on August 31, 2014, 06:08:17 PM
Well we might not have been in the bottom 3 for a long time last season but it's not taken us long this season.  Question is can we get out of it... Whilst I want to give Irvine time to get the new signings integrated into the team we cannot afford to give any more displays like yesterday. Just watched Leicester chase, harass and have a go at Arsenal - I just hope we can start to display that sort of commitment.  Leicester fully deserved the point.

The new players we have appear on paper to be of a very good quality but we need them to play as a team, a bit like Leicester today. Let's hope AI can install work ethic and flair and commitment going forward because I haven't seen much thus far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 31, 2014, 06:09:13 PM
I don't look at the table until 10 games in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 31, 2014, 06:09:46 PM
That's what I'm doing. You're very confrontational aren't you? Almost as if you're determined to go against the grain irrespective of what is actually happening before your eyes just to be different.

Mate, to be fair you can be very abrupt with some of your post's, you are obviously very opinionated, I too am very opinionated & believe in what I see with my eyes, I certainly DO NOT go 'against the grain' just to be different, I just have different views/opinions to you (sometimes), I hope I haven't offended you  :-*   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on August 31, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
table doesn't level out properly till about halfway
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
We're now 4 points down on the corresponding fixtures last season...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on August 31, 2014, 06:19:20 PM
far too many "fickle fans" on this board
if Irvine had won his first 3 you would ALL be up his a**e and going on about how good peace was to pick him up.
he hasn't though has he, hes done what a lot of fans expected him to do. play negative boring football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on August 31, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
I agree they aren't fickle they are just unrealistic. Bringing in 11 players and expecting them to gel immediately would challenge any coach.

These aren't kids were talking about they are professional footballers who from a young age have been taught to play in different positions on the pitch & play in different formations by many different coaches yes time is needed to gel with each other but not to play the game.
Swansea pressed us from the off & our lads didn't like it one bit & AI did nothing to put that right.
Not one single Albion fan should want to see AI fail Because if he fails Albion fail.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 31, 2014, 06:24:12 PM
We're now 4 points down on the corresponding fixtures last season...
Don't see point of comparing to last year.
Swansea have had a flyer this season, when we played them last year, they were very poor at the time.
Ditto Sunderland, who were awful under Di Canio but now have Poyet
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on August 31, 2014, 06:27:50 PM
We're now 4 points down on the corresponding fixtures last season...

That's a little bit of a daft comparison considering we are only just starting the season with a shed load of new players some of who are apparently unfit.

Maybe we should compare to last seasons start where we played similar opposition and had 1 point from the first 3 games. The squad then was in as much disarray as it is this season. Unlike last season we have the signings already but some of them are yet to kick a ball for the club really.

I suppose comparing to last seasons start isn't a great idea considering we had a dreadful season but I think it is a tad more realistic/sensible than picking the corresponding fixtures from random periods of last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on August 31, 2014, 06:33:50 PM
I don't look at the table until 10 games in.

I don't think I would want to look at it then!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 31, 2014, 07:48:10 PM
Can the non fickle fans tell me what they expect Irvine to do with this time we should be giving him?
I keep hearing how we should be ashamed for wanting him out, but not why we should keep him.
We have new players yes, but he had more experienced attacking options available yesterday but stuck to his m.o and picked a narrow, negative side. Why do we think he will suddenly become more adventurous when the new blokes are fit?
He doesn't pick Sess who is a proven prem forward, why will he pick Valera, who isn't?
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think he has the balls to go for it. He never has before.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 31, 2014, 07:51:50 PM
Don't see point of comparing to last year.
Swansea have had a flyer this season, when we played them last year, they were very poor at the time.
Ditto Sunderland, who were awful under Di Canio but now have Poyet
Exactly mate but we were still good enough to beat them. Now WE have Irvine............speaks volumes
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on August 31, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
I don't look at the table until 10 games in.

We'll be on the same points but 2 places lower
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 31, 2014, 08:35:17 PM
By the way I'm not fickle. I said he'd be cr@p and he IS cr@p.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on August 31, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Negative Football is the only was Alan Irvine teams play ask Preston and Sheff wed fans they told us when we appointed Ai as coach to a premiership club this is how he sets out his team. A disaster of a pre season signed unfit players or cheaper options compared to other clubs around,  and  have yet to win a game against teams we should have had ago at. The thing that upsets me most we still haven't  learnt from last season. I hope and pray that the new players will lift us but unless we start to get some wins soon the pressure and atmosphere around the club will rise even more. As an Albion fan for over forty years i am a realist i don't expect to be in the top ten with the present Chairman in charge but at least compete with the mid table teams in the league surely and have ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on August 31, 2014, 10:59:16 PM
It was a poor performance yesterday . Our midfield was very poor . We might has well have had a go at them but it was to negative . I have said all season brunt is no way a premiership player . to slow and he is seriously off form . The only way you combat teams better than yourself is to fight and have a go . I know we have to wait for players to get fit but so far I am not impressed . When you play one player up front with no support you are asking for trouble . We need everyone fit and fired up . I think we need to splash a bit of. Money on creativity in the middle  . Dorrans not good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 31, 2014, 11:01:35 PM
We'll be on the same points but 2 places lower

We'll finish in the top ten.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on August 31, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
We'll finish in the top ten.

I remember when you used to be so negative, I wish I had your new found optimism :D.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 31, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Can the non fickle fans tell me what they expect Irvine to do with this time we should be giving him?
I keep hearing how we should be ashamed for wanting him out, but not why we should keep him.
We have new players yes, but he had more experienced attacking options available yesterday but stuck to his m.o and picked a narrow, negative side. Why do we think he will suddenly become more adventurous when the new blokes are fit?
He doesn't pick Sess who is a proven prem forward, why will he pick Valera, who isn't?
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think he has the balls to go for it. He never has before.

He didn't play Sess because Dorrans didn't deserve to be dropped before the Swansea game. I can't see how a team with Ideye, Berahino, Brunt and Dorrans can be classed as a negative side. Let's see where we are at Christmas time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: somerset baggie on September 01, 2014, 03:15:44 AM
relegated if hes still in charge of us  :D .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 01, 2014, 07:17:45 AM
He didn't play Sess because Dorrans didn't deserve to be dropped before the Swansea game. I can't see how a team with Ideye, Berahino, Brunt and Dorrans can be classed as a negative side. Let's see where we are at Christmas time.
i think you're missing the point, its not the players he picks its the way he sets them up that's negative. He could have started all the new players on Saturday and we'd still have played the same way as it how he sets up in games.

What frustrates me is the excuses he uses, 'we had a game plan, you cant legislate for players slipping' too true, but as a football manager (at any professional level) id expect going 1 down early to be part of the game plan scenarios they work on, we seemed to do nothing and i honestly believe is not because he's clueless but because he's one dimensional, another mowbray. Says he want to use different formations etc but actually the style and method of play will be exactly the same, set up not to concede, not good enough to keep a clean sheet then no ideas how to change the game because we were set up not to concede.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2014, 08:11:21 AM
Lets just hope JP is bored with this rubbish negative football like most of us on here are
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: townster on September 01, 2014, 08:50:22 AM
Probably not to far of the Mark with the sign Ted
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2014, 08:59:04 AM
I do feel for the bloke but he is out of his depth.The pressure is no doubt only going to mount.
someone should be held accountable for his appointment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 09:06:01 AM
He didn't play Sess because Dorrans didn't deserve to be dropped before the Swansea game. I can't see how a team with Ideye, Berahino, Brunt and Dorrans can be classed as a negative side. Let's see where we are at Christmas time.
Sorry but I think this Dorrans thing is a misnomer. He has had a slight resurgence, but he is still nowhere near his best, certainly not creatively. no way he should start ahead of Sess.
Brunt has been slowing our play down consistently for 2 years, his deadball ability has disappeared and his demeanour is the worst on the pitch, kicking the floor, head down and petulant.
Berahino, played out of position.

All the above are down to the set up dictated by Irvine and his coaches.

I don't have an agenda against Irvine, I couldn't care less who the head coach is, or if we lose, as long as I see us having a go and trying to create.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on September 01, 2014, 10:06:21 AM
Peace has learnt from last season and we have an excellent summer transfer window,no more deadline day panic buy anymore this year.
But it seems that he didn't learn his lesson regrading head coach appointment,after Steve Clarke failure,it's obvious that a experienced premier league manager is what we need.An inexperienced coach  can't save us at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on September 01, 2014, 11:30:04 AM
Lets just hope JP is bored with this rubbish negative football like most of us on here are

I thought we played some very good football against Sunderland and were a lot better going forward than we were at the back. Southampton was a hard earned draw and there is no denying that we were absolute rubbish against Swansea.

I don't understand how anyone can comment on Irvine's style with us by only really using one away game as the benchmark for it though  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
I thought we played some very good football against Sunderland and were a lot better going forward than we were at the back. Southampton was a hard earned draw and there is no denying that we were absolute rubbish against Swansea.

I don't understand how anyone can comment on Irvine's style with us by only really using one away game as the benchmark for it though  ???



Ok then tally the shots on goal in 3 games, very proactive indeed.If the goals were on the half way line we could then pass it in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
I thought we played some very good football against Sunderland and were a lot better going forward than we were at the back. Southampton was a hard earned draw and there is no denying that we were absolute rubbish against Swansea.

I don't understand how anyone can comment on Irvine's style with us by only really using one away game as the benchmark for it though  ???

Me neither.
I'm as sick as the next bloke after Saturday but we need to get a touch of realism I think.
We all knew that Irvine was not the fans choice as manager, then we all got a bit excited once we started to spend a few shillings on players, even more so when we broke our transfered record on a striker (we broke the UK transfer record once on one David Mills - and persons of a certain vintage know how that went)
And now we're here, three games in, not having seen half the players due to injury or lack of fitness.
Wether we like it or not we may not see a turnaround of fortunes fore some weeks yet (If at all)
Face it we are stuck with AI and all that he brings to the playing staff, I'll be very surprised if JP would drop the hammers so soon after making the investment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 11:42:09 AM
I thought we played some very good football against Sunderland and were a lot better going forward than we were at the back. Southampton was a hard earned draw and there is no denying that we were absolute rubbish against Swansea.

I don't understand how anyone can comment on Irvine's style with us by only really using one away game as the benchmark for it though  ???

Agreed, football fans have no patience these days. I've also seen no evidence of negative football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
Agreed, football fans have no patience these days. I've also seen no evidence of negative football.

You obviously didn't see us v Oxford then. It was painful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2014, 11:48:38 AM
You obviously didn't see us v Oxford then. It was painful.


and then Swansea
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 11:58:48 AM

and then Swansea

Swansea did catch us on the counter attack a few times, we just couldn't cope with them. Just one of those days, we played decent second half which should encourage a few.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on September 01, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
First defeat of the season and he's got to go :-[ Was at a football quiz last night and the way the fans from other clubs were taking the P**s out of us for wanting our manager sacked after ONE defeat was embarrassing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 12:05:30 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/09/01/west-broms-craig-gardner-backs-his-boss/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/09/01/west-broms-craig-gardner-backs-his-boss/)

West Brom's Craig Gardner backs his boss

Irvine’s men were beaten 3-0 by the Swans to leave them with two points from their opening three Premier League games of Irvine’s reign.

But Gardner insisted the Scot will get it right once all his summer signings are fit.

“Every time I do an interview I am asked about the manager and I keep saying you can’t appreciate how good he is until you work with him and listen to him,” said Gardner.

“He’s a brilliant coach he tells us what to do and talks a lot. He knows football inside out and he has been great to us.

“We’re three games into the season so talking about time for the manager is rubbish, to be honest.”

The Baggies were 1-0 down after 88 seconds at the Liberty Stadium and never recovered, leaving Gardner to thank the 1,400 travelling fans for their support.

“Everyone in the changing room is disappointed,” said the summer signing. “We had had a good start to the season and we went to Swansea and got beaten 3-0.

“But we’ve got to pick ourselves up and go again. We’re all in it together and there’s no ‘I’ in team. “There are no individuals and we have to respond as a team.

“I just want to say thanks to the fans for travelling and supporting us and singing for us and we want to put it right for them.

“It’s not the end of the season. We have to build and move forward.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 12:18:12 PM

and then Swansea
And Sunderland once we took the lead
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on September 01, 2014, 12:18:49 PM
Irvine has had more players back him since the start of the season than Mel did all of last season.

Like I said give Irvine till the Burnley game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
First defeat of the season and he's got to go :-[ Was at a football quiz last night and the way the fans from other clubs were taking the P**s out of us for wanting our manager sacked after ONE defeat was embarrassing.
Probably the same fans who were taking the p**s when we appointed him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 12:23:36 PM
And Sunderland once we took the lead

You see I remember Albion fans last season saying Mel should have shut up shop when we were 3-2 up against Cardiff. All our players went running up the pitch and got caught out. Can't win either way it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
You see I remember Albion fans last season saying Mel should have shut up shop when we were 3-2 up against Cardiff. All our players went running up the pitch and got caught out. Can't win either way it seems.
Totally different scenario, that was with seconds on the clock, not 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 01, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
You see I remember Albion fans last season saying Mel should have shut up shop when we were 3-2 up against Cardiff. All our players went running up the pitch and got caught out. Can't win either way it seems.

Yes but that was in the 96th minute not from the kick-off!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 01, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
First defeat of the season and he's got to go :-[ Was at a football quiz last night and the way the fans from other clubs were taking the P**s out of us for wanting our manager sacked after ONE defeat was embarrassing.

I'm by no means an Irvine Out supporter, I'm hoping that he learns from the games we're playing (No much evidence at the moment ) but I just don't get the one defeat argument, people are conveniently forgetting we haven't won a 90 minute game of football. If we'd won 1 lost 2 we'd be in a better position than we are now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/09/01/west-broms-craig-gardner-backs-his-boss/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/09/01/west-broms-craig-gardner-backs-his-boss/)

West Brom's Craig Gardner backs his boss

Irvine’s men were beaten 3-0 by the Swans to leave them with two points from their opening three Premier League games of Irvine’s reign.

But Gardner insisted the Scot will get it right once all his summer signings are fit.

“Every time I do an interview I am asked about the manager and I keep saying you can’t appreciate how good he is until you work with him and listen to him,” said Gardner.

“He’s a brilliant coach he tells us what to do and talks a lot. He knows football inside out and he has been great to us.

“We’re three games into the season so talking about time for the manager is rubbish, to be honest.”

The Baggies were 1-0 down after 88 seconds at the Liberty Stadium and never recovered, leaving Gardner to thank the 1,400 travelling fans for their support.

“Everyone in the changing room is disappointed,” said the summer signing. “We had had a good start to the season and we went to Swansea and got beaten 3-0.

“But we’ve got to pick ourselves up and go again. We’re all in it together and there’s no ‘I’ in team. “There are no individuals and we have to respond as a team.

“I just want to say thanks to the fans for travelling and supporting us and singing for us and we want to put it right for them.

“It’s not the end of the season. We have to build and move forward.”
Can someone please give me some evidence to support this 'Fantastic Coach' tagline???
I have seen nothing during pre-season or in the first 3 games to suggest he is any such thing. Even in the 2 games where we played ok, we were a bit rubbish defending set plays and showed little creativity.
It's like Downing all over again, players seem to love singing his praises, but none of his skills seem to manifest on the pitch when it matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2014, 12:58:39 PM
Maybe all 25 thousand of us should turn up at training one day instead of the next home game...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Just out of interest has anyone looked at the BBC stats for our three league matches?

V Sunderland
10 shots (5 on target) v 7 shots (2 on target)
Corners 6 v 3

V Soton
8 shots (2) v 9 shots (2)
Corners 5 v 1

V Swansea
16 shots (2) v 15 shots (8)
Corners 7 v 0

So in all the negative set up matches that we have had, we have had more attacking attempts than the opposition. Amazing how history is written.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2014, 01:29:06 PM
Just out of interest has anyone looked at the BBC stats for our three league matches?

V Sunderland
10 shots (5 on target) v 7 shots (2 on target)
Corners 6 v 3

V Soton
8 shots (2) v 9 shots (2)
Corners 5 v 1

V Swansea
16 shots (2) v 15 shots (8)
Corners 7 v 0

So in all the negative set up matches that we have had, we have had more attacking attempts than the opposition. Amazing how history is written.

Looks good statistically, I'd certainly argue that Swansea sat back on their 3 goal lead and allowed us a lot more of the ball.

We did edge the first game until taking the lead then went very negative.

We parked the bus at Southampton and hit them on the break.

I'm sure Sky use a stat "clear cut chances"

Aside from the Berahino goals and Ideye's one on one at St Mary's I'm struggling to remember any others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 01, 2014, 01:33:31 PM
Just out of interest has anyone looked at the BBC stats for our three league matches?

V Sunderland
10 shots (5 on target) v 7 shots (2 on target)
Corners 6 v 3

V Soton
8 shots (2) v 9 shots (2)
Corners 5 v 1

V Swansea
16 shots (2) v 15 shots (8)
Corners 7 v 0

So in all the negative set up matches that we have had, we have had more attacking attempts than the opposition. Amazing how history is written.

Draw
Draw
Loss

League Position 18th

those are the only statistics that matter
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 01, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
Draw
Draw
Loss

League Position 18th

those are the only statistics that matter




At least we managed to beat Sacremento, what more do you want :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on September 01, 2014, 02:05:30 PM
With 11 players in this window it will take time for them to get fit and bed in. Having said that in my opinion we now have a strong squad and one that is equipped to stay up and reach mid table safety. The financial consequences of relegation now I suspect would be unthinkable given the changes. Man for man our squad is now stronger than half the teams in the league so it will be down to coaching, motivation and fitness? So how long do we give Irvine to get the results this squad should be getting? I suspect end of November? If results do not improve after this big investment we will be right to ask questions of Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 01, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
I fear we loose 3 out of the next 4 and its curtains
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2014, 02:59:33 PM
With 11 players in this window it will take time for them to get fit and bed in. Having said that in my opinion we now have a strong squad and one that is equipped to stay up and reach mid table safety. The financial consequences of relegation now I suspect would be unthinkable given the changes. Man for man our squad is now stronger than half the teams in the league so it will be down to coaching, motivation and fitness? So how long do we give Irvine to get the results this squad should be getting? I suspect end of November? If results do not improve after this big investment we will be right to ask questions of Irvine?

It's early days still but I'd say not personally. Half the squad have contributed to a woeful 18 months and the other half are unknown quantities. Some of our signings appear no better than players we let go IMO.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
It's early days still but I'd say not personally. Half the squad have contributed to a woeful 18 months and the other half are unknown quantities. Some of our signings appear no better than players we let go IMO.
Billy Jones maybe better at right back, if he was fit, struggling elsewhere to see who else hasn't (potentially) been replaced by someone better?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 01, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
Can someone please give me some evidence to support this 'Fantastic Coach' tagline???
I have seen nothing during pre-season or in the first 3 games to suggest he is any such thing. Even in the 2 games where we played ok, we were a bit rubbish defending set plays and showed little creativity.
It's like Downing all over again, players seem to love singing his praises, but none of his skills seem to manifest on the pitch when it matters.

Can I ask a polite question? Why do you need evidence? Many people within the game have said he's a very good coach, his players have come out & said he's a brilliant coach, JP must think he is a good enough coach to trust him with all the quality players he's bought, would it make difference if he had a big piece of paper saying "this man is a Fantastic Coach" printed at the top?

Regards the rest of the post, if you want to throw the Oxford & Swansea performance's at me then I have no answer but I would say that very rarely do any teams play at their full potential week in week out (let alone one that has 11 new players to integrate), is it beyond the realms of possibility that once we have a fully fit squad we will start to see more consistently decent performances? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
Can I ask a polite question? Why do you need evidence? Many people within the game have said he's a very good coach, his players have come out & said he's a brilliant coach, JP must think he is a good enough coach to trust him with all the quality players he's bought, would it make difference if he had a big piece of paper saying "this man is a Fantastic Coach" printed at the top?

Regards the rest of the post, if you want to throw the Oxford & Swansea performance's at me then I have no answer but I would say that very rarely do any teams play at their full potential week in week out (let alone one that has 11 new players to integrate), is it beyond the realms of possibility that once we have a fully fit squad we will start to see more consistently decent performances?
Of course we need evidence. We need something that we can see with our own eyes, not soundbites from people with a vested interest.
A big piece of paper would mean about as much as a piece in the Express and Star, which was what I responded to.

It is not beyond the realms no and I would like nothing more than for that to happen, unfortunately everything I have seen so far backs the views of the Preston / Sheff Wed fans more than it does that of the 'Great coach' brigade.
As I have stated before, I am not anti Irvine, I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but in order to do that he has to show a massive shift change from what his approach has been throughout his career. If, when we have better attacking options available, he comes out fighting and having a go, he will get my support, win or lose.
I just don't think he has the balls.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Billy Jones maybe better at right back, if he was fit, struggling elsewhere to see who else hasn't (potentially) been replaced by someone better?

From what I have seen so far Jones looks better as you mention. Davidson looks awful defensively, I can't honestly see him being an improvement on either Ridgewell or Popov. Gardner no better than we already have. Will Blanco be better than Amalfitano, Baird better than Reid? Poco looks an improvement and if Lescott ever gets fit should walk into the side. Ideye and Varela have a good pedigree. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 01, 2014, 03:53:57 PM
Of course we need evidence. We need something that we can see with our own eyes, not soundbites from people with a vested interest.
A big piece of paper would mean about as much as a piece in the Express and Star, which was what I responded to.

It is not beyond the realms no and I would like nothing more than for that to happen, unfortunately everything I have seen so far backs the views of the Preston / Sheff Wed fans more than it does that of the 'Great coach' brigade.
As I have stated before, I am not anti Irvine, I want him to succeed for the sake of the club, but in order to do that he has to show a massive shift change from what his approach has been throughout his career. If, when we have better attacking options available, he comes out fighting and having a go, he will get my support, win or lose.
I just don't think he has the balls.

How about his coaching abilities turning Preston from relegation candidates to play offs in one season with one of the leagues smallest budgets. Sheff Wed were in a mess before he came in. What's this obsession with attacking, sounding like West Ham fans and the "West Ham way".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 01, 2014, 04:15:26 PM
How about his coaching abilities turning Preston from relegation candidates to play offs in one season with one of the leagues smallest budgets. Sheff Wed were in a mess before he came in. What's this obsession with attacking, sounding like West Ham fans and the "West Ham way".

Well you see now you're stating facts, as apposed to some random Preston/SheffWed fan(s)?? whining about Alan Irvine being negative blah blah blah............... sound familiar?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2014, 05:29:59 PM
You see I remember Albion fans last season saying Mel should have shut up shop when we were 3-2 up against Cardiff. All our players went running up the pitch and got caught out. Can't win either way it seems.

Know one moaned about attacking it was the right thing to do the mistake was not taking the ball into the corner & holding it up there.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 01, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Well you see now you're stating facts, as apposed to some random Preston/SheffWed fan(s)?? whining about Alan Irvine being negative blah blah blah............... sound familiar?
Same tactics that got him sacked before Xmas the following season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on September 01, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
Bottom line is that Irvine is our coach.  So far played four, won one, drawn two, lost one with a much enhanced squad in develiopment.  Did not see Swansea on Staurday other than on Albion player or Oxford.  However, on what I have seen so far we are much better than for the last half of 2013/14, and I think we will get stronger.  I cannot see that Irvine has done much wrong so far and appears to have the backing of the squad.  In my view, time to get behind the team, not call for sackings..... far too early for any such talk.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
I don't understand this integrating 11 new players nonsense.

On Saturday our starting line-up consisted of Wisdom, Davidson, Gardner and Ideye. 7 of the starters and 2 of the substitutes were here last season.

Against Oxford United we had Wisdom, Davidson, Baird and Ideye. Again 7 of the starters and 2 of the substitutes were here last season.

What it sounds like is an excuse for us to continue losing football matches and dropping points for the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2014, 09:07:14 PM
I actually agree with you Jacko!

Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Baird all have essentially had a proper pre-seaon. Davidson has had most of pre-season with us, hasn't he? Could have sworn he went out to America.

So that's 5 of 11 who've had most of a pre-season.

Ideye has been deemed fit enough to start two games recently, so that's 6 out of 11. Over half.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
I actually agree with you Jacko!

Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Baird all have essentially had a proper pre-seaon. Davidson has had most of pre-season with us, hasn't he? Could have sworn he went out to America.

So that's 5 of 11 who've had most of a pre-season.

Ideye has been deemed fit enough to start two games recently, so that's 6 out of 11. Over half.

Haha even a broken clock is right twice a day mate.  ;D :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on September 01, 2014, 09:17:58 PM
Haha even a broken clock is right twice a day mate.  ;D :o

To be fair I don't I'm one of the ones that disagrees with you most :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on September 01, 2014, 10:29:29 PM
I think the people at the club may be getting a bit carried away with the "good coach" thing. There is no doubt he is a good coach - he has been in and around top clubs for 20 years in these positions and so many people speak highly of him having worked with him.

I do however think that the club are trying to be a bit too clever with the "good coach" thing. I know we have 2 Technical directors at the club and so we do not have a traditional manager, but you need more than just a Training ground coach when there are still a number of important facets of the job not covered by training ground skills and the business side.

You have to be a good football tactician, a good leader and motivator, have a good understanding of how to evaluate the opposition ready for a match, a good understanding of how to react to how a game is developing so that you can make the right changes and substitutions and also, a good analytical brain to solve any questions that come up.

Just because you are a good coach, it does not make you a good manager. I'm a  it worried that the club haven't taken thins into enough consideration.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 03, 2014, 07:32:39 PM
Sheff Wed were in a mess before he came in

I find this line hard to take to be honest because it gets used as a cover up to mask Irvine's appalling reign at Sheffield Wednesday. In the three seasons prior to Irvine's arrival the club had finish in mid-table around the 13th and 14th mark and had also challenged for a play off position under Brian Laws. There was no doubting that during his first season the club had some financial difficulties but the squad largely remained the same as the one which finished the previous season in 14th. The style of football was extremely negative and as we have seen so far there was a willingness to draw football games which ended up costing them dearly as they were relegated. During that season he was questioned by Radio Sheffield regarding why he was settling for draws when the club needed wins. His response was nothing short of patronising insisting he had the coaching badges and anybody elses opinion was more or less irrelevant. The team was dis-jointed, it lacked very little cohesion and if truth be told never really improved. It was football which made Megson's sides look like Barcelona.

During that summer the club were purchased by Milan Mandaric who provided Irvine with funds to reshape the squad - in excess of £1.5million and an increased wage bill. Those who he purchased were poor buys. Despite an OK start the results and performances once again nose-dived to the point where the club were facing a relegation battle in league one. They were hopelessly outclassed by Yeovil in a 2-2 draw at Hillsborough where they were lucky to hang onto a point - this was 9 man Yeovil as well by the way - it took a late equaliser from Jermaine Johnson to save them from a defeat. That wasn't the only horrific result, there was the 4-0 home defeat against Leyton Orient and the result which forced Mandaric to act was a 5-1 defeat away at Exeter. That season needed Gary Megson to guide them to survival and the following season they ended up getting promoted.

There were players in that squad that dubbed Alan Irvine as a good coach too and there is obviously substance too it but unfortunately the results and his performances of his previous teams hardly leave you inspired do they? Alan Irvine's stint at Wednesday is also widely described as the worst part in their history by their supporters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 03, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I find this line hard to take to be honest because it gets used as a cover up to mask Irvine's appalling reign at Sheffield Wednesday. In the three seasons prior to Irvine's arrival the club had finish in mid-table around the 13th and 14th mark and had also challenged for a play off position under Brian Laws. There was no doubting that during his first season the club had some financial difficulties but the squad largely remained the same as the one which finished the previous season in 14th. The style of football was extremely negative and as we have seen so far there was a willingness to draw football games which ended up costing them dearly as they were relegated. During that season he was questioned by Radio Sheffield regarding why he was settling for draws when the club needed wins. His response was nothing short of patronising insisting he had the coaching badges and anybody elses opinion was more or less irrelevant. The team was dis-jointed, it lacked very little cohesion and if truth be told never really improved. It was football which made Megson's sides look like Barcelona.

During that summer the club were purchased by Milan Mandaric who provided Irvine with funds to reshape the squad - in excess of £1.5million and an increased wage bill. Those who he purchased were poor buys. Despite an OK start the results and performances once again nose-dived to the point where the club were facing a relegation battle in league one. They were hopelessly outclassed by Yeovil in a 2-2 draw at Hillsborough where they were lucky to hang onto a point - this was 9 man Yeovil as well by the way - it took a late equaliser from Jermaine Johnson to save them from a defeat. That wasn't the only horrific result, there was the 4-0 home defeat against Leyton Orient and the result which forced Mandaric to act was a 5-1 defeat away at Exeter. That season needed Gary Megson to guide them to survival and the following season they ended up getting promoted.

There were players in that squad that dubbed Alan Irvine as a good coach too and there is obviously substance too it but unfortunately the results and his performances of his previous teams hardly leave you inspired do they? Alan Irvine's stint at Wednesday is also widely described as the worst part in their history by their supporters.

I think he took on a really tough job at Sheff Wed and it was probably not right for him and it was probably not right for Wednesday too. I think sometimes in football you just need to get an opportunity to prove yourself at a higher level and Irvine has that now at a well run football club with a talented squad of players for him to work with. Steve Clarke for example most likely wouldn't have ever been considered by any other Premier League team except for Albion and he led us to our highest Premier League finish. Early days but at the moment it appears that our coaching staff are working well together with the players and if our scouting system continues to improve and find good quality players then we're heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 04, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
I think he took on a really tough job at Sheff Wed and it was probably not right for him and it was probably not right for Wednesday too. I think sometimes in football you just need to get an opportunity to prove yourself at a higher level and Irvine has that now at a well run football club with a talented squad of players for him to work with. Steve Clarke for example most likely wouldn't have ever been considered by any other Premier League team except for Albion and he led us to our highest Premier League finish. Early days but at the moment it appears that our coaching staff are working well together with the players and if our scouting system continues to improve and find good quality players then we're heading in the right direction.
Now I have a problem with this, good squad and good coaching does not have to result in success. Tactical Nous, taking the initiative, reacting to problems in games, reacting to injuries in games, etc, etc these are all factors which affect outcomes, this is the area where AI has to prove himself.
In the premier league he (and his staff)  is up against some of the best coaching / management teams in the world world an HAS to out perform them.
Clearly we hope he can rise to this challenge, only time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2014, 10:49:29 AM
I been watching him and all though i do like to see coaches/managers in their technical area hes a bit too statue passionless like for me
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
I couldn't care less if he gets a lawn chair and cigar out, if only he could get them playing decent togger and win a few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 04, 2014, 01:40:37 PM
I think he took on a really tough job at Sheff Wed and it was probably not right for him and it was probably not right for Wednesday too. I think sometimes in football you just need to get an opportunity to prove yourself at a higher level and Irvine has that now at a well run football club with a talented squad of players for him to work with. Steve Clarke for example most likely wouldn't have ever been considered by any other Premier League team except for Albion and he led us to our highest Premier League finish. Early days but at the moment it appears that our coaching staff are working well together with the players and if our scouting system continues to improve and find good quality players then we're heading in the right direction.

But unless results improve that is all pointless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 04, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
I couldn't care less if he gets a lawn chair and cigar out, if only he could get them playing decent togger and win a few games.
Playing with their todgers isn't going to improve things on the pitch!  :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 04, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
I think we will find its a case of getting our first win on the board.

Winning breeds confidence and regardless of whos in charge, the core of wba players havent won many games in 2014.

This is why I think the Oxford game disapointed alot of people as it was an opportunity to put out a strong team and get a good performance under out belts.

I strongly believe once we have 99% of the players fit and available, we will see some better performances and some better results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2014, 02:35:19 PM
I would like to think the first win and improved performances start a week saturday.Ok we played ok against Sunderland and Southampton but these games are as easy as they get.Just look at the rest.
Lets give them all including Irvine a rousing reception at the next home game.Our 10th league game is Leicester and by then i would like to see at least 3 wins
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 04, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
I would like to think the first win and improved performances start a week saturday.Ok we played ok against Sunderland and Southampton but these games are as easy as they get.Just look at the rest.
Lets give them all including Irvine a rousing reception at the next home game.Our 10th league game is Leicester and by then i would like to see at least 3 wins

I wouldn't say southampton away is 'as easy as they get'. We got beat away last year so if anything we did well to get a better result.

After 10 games looking at the fixtures I can't see 3 wins on the board after that many games.

Everton (h), Spurs (a), Burnley (h) , Liverpool (a) ,United (h) Palace (h) and Leicester (a).

Looking at that I predict 9 points from the end of that run, leaving us on 12 points after 10 games - Wins against Burnley and Palace, and 3 draws from the rest. Over the season that would be roughly 46 points and we should be ok.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on September 04, 2014, 03:31:19 PM
I would like to think the first win and improved performances start a week saturday.Ok we played ok against Sunderland and Southampton but these games are as easy as they get.Just look at the rest.
Lets give them all including Irvine a rousing reception at the next home game.Our 10th league game is Leicester and by then i would like to see at least 3 wins

Since when has Southampton away been easy as they get  ? Absolute shocking statement.  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 04, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Since when has Southampton away been easy as they get  ? Absolute shocking statement.  :o

That's exactly what I thought when i read it.

Southampton and Swansea away are games that I think only top 6 clubs go to expecting a result.

all we've done so far that is a little disapointing is not get the 3 points against Sunderland at home, but that's hardly a disaster!! Some on here love to be miserable.

Sadly, Everton are on the up I think and I'd be chuffed with a point, but should be lose the AI out stuff will really kick in, which is a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 04, 2014, 04:24:19 PM
 A win will make all the difference i believe ( as long as it comes before October).

All things sorted off the pitch, now, re-built squad, improved relationships between Club and fans, Bomber statue imminent, unbelievably focused and qualified coaching staff and not forgetting the unbelievably focused and qualified coaching staff...........what could possibly go wrong?

Did i mention the unbelievably focused and qualified coaching staff?

Its beginning to grate a bit TBH....we need a win.




Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2014, 06:00:18 PM
Southampton have probably almost had has many ins and outs so yes it should be a game we are looking to get 3 points from.Not an absolutely shocking statement at all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
Liam, I know you aren't lying. I know you truly believe all this to be factual. But the more I read about Irvine at Sheffield Wednesday, the more he looks like a massive fan scapegoat.


I find this line hard to take to be honest because it gets used as a cover up to mask Irvine's appalling reign at Sheffield Wednesday. In the three seasons prior to Irvine's arrival the club had finish in mid-table around the 13th and 14th mark and had also challenged for a play off position under Brian Laws. There was no doubting that during his first season the club had some financial difficulties but the squad largely remained the same as the one which finished the previous season in 14th.

Brian Laws was sacked in December 2009 with the club in the relegation zone. Under Irvine the club performed better. They would have finished mid-table again with Irvine's 1.2 points per game for the entire season.

             W  D  L  pts
Brian Laws   4  6 11   18
Alan Irvine  7  7  9   28



The style of football was extremely negative and as we have seen so far there was a willingness to draw football games which ended up costing them dearly as they were relegated. During that season he was questioned by Radio Sheffield regarding why he was settling for draws when the club needed wins. His response was nothing short of patronising insisting he had the coaching badges and anybody elses opinion was more or less irrelevant. The team was dis-jointed, it lacked very little cohesion and if truth be told never really improved. It was football which made Megson's sides look like Barcelona.

Whatever it looked like, the truth is that the team did improve and returned to form under Irvine. I'm not disputing the negativity, only the false assertion that Irvine didn't get a lot more points than Laws did.


During that summer the club were purchased by Milan Mandaric who provided Irvine with funds to reshape the squad - in excess of £1.5million and an increased wage bill. Those who he purchased were poor buys.

No, Mandarić agreed to purchase the club on 29 November (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/nov/29/sheffield-wednesday-sold-milan-mandaric), the day before the club were due to enter administration. The deal was completed on 14 December. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_wed/9226161.stm) Irvine was sacked four days after the January transfer window closed. Admittedly, that's longer than some of our fans were willing to give him, but four days?

And as an example of what Irvine had to put up with, Wednesday lost their last scout when Laws was sacked (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1358099/Whatever-happened-Sheffield-Wednesday.html). They had no scouts at all during Irvine's entire tenure. (They were skint.)


Despite an OK start the results and performances once again nose-dived to the point where the club were facing a relegation battle in league one. They were hopelessly outclassed by Yeovil in a 2-2 draw at Hillsborough where they were lucky to hang onto a point - this was 9 man Yeovil as well by the way - it took a late equaliser from Jermaine Johnson to save them from a defeat. That wasn't the only horrific result, there was the 4-0 home defeat against Leyton Orient and the result which forced Mandaric to act was a 5-1 defeat away at Exeter.

Leyton Orient was an away game. The Exeter loss was Mandarić's first game as owner. He sacked Irvine after a 5-3 loss to Peterborough. Every one of those terrible results occurred in the first six league games after Mandarić bought the club.

In fact, on 11 December, three days before Mandarić bought the club, Irvine had them in 2nd place, coming off a 6-2 win over Bristol Rovers. After Mandarić bought the club, the next six league games were the total, complete, utter disaster that has been used with which to persecute Irvine ever since.

Every time I see 'failed in League One', a phrase I have come to loathe, it's someone using these six games under new ownership to write off his entire career. I have absolutely no idea what happened between Irvine and Mandarić, but those six games were the result.


That season needed Gary Megson to guide them to survival and the following season they ended up getting promoted.

That is simply not the case. They fared worse under Megson, falling from 12th to 15th.

              W  D  L  pts  GF  GA
Alan Irvine  10  5 11   35  41  35
Gary Megson   6  5  9   23  26  32


There were players in that squad that dubbed Alan Irvine as a good coach too and there is obviously substance too it but unfortunately the results and his performances of his previous teams hardly leave you inspired do they?

Admittedly not. But this post is not about winning an argument with you or convincing anyone that Irvine is great, it's about bringing some desperately-needed balance and facts to this repulsive thread. We can't even have a sensible discussion about Irvine's faults with all the unreasonable hostility on display. I'm certainly not going to have a conversation with someone who can muster only 'League One failure' or 'certs to be relegated', even if he does post it six times a day. (I'm not referring to you, of course.)


Alan Irvine's stint at Wednesday is also widely described as the worst part in their history by their supporters.

One might think coming 24 hours from administration might have featured in there, but clearly something about Irvine induces...contempt? disgust? incoherent rage? amongst supporters. It's not connected to wins and losses, as definitely others have done worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 04, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
Doffs cap  :)

Quakes, thats one of the best posts I've read on here, especially since AI was appointed, it basically shows that when chinese whispers start, it is far too easy to pass on what others have said as fact, where in most cases its purely opinions, sadly, I'm pretty sure some of the 'Irvine outers' on here will attempt to poo poo the post despite the factual & well informed nature of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
Doffs cap  :)

Quakes, thats one of the best posts I've read on here, especially since AI was appointed, it basically shows that when chinese whispers start, it is far too easy to pass on what others have said as fact, where in most cases its purely opinions, sadly, I'm pretty sure some of the 'Irvine outers' on here will attempt to poo poo the post despite the factual & well informed nature of it.

Thanks, dont. I also doubt it will do much to dispel the mysterious power of Irvine's anti-charisma.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 04, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
That's exactly what I thought when i read it.

Southampton and Swansea away are games that I think only top 6 clubs go to expecting a result.

all we've done so far that is a little disapointing is not get the 3 points against Sunderland at home, but that's hardly a disaster!! Some on here love to be miserable.

Sadly, Everton are on the up I think and I'd be chuffed with a point, but should be lose the AI out stuff will really kick in, which is a joke.

When were not playing the top 6 we should be going into the rest of the games with an expectation of winning.

When were going to places like Swansea and treating it as a damage limitation exercise then it's really time to panic.

Leicester managed to fight back twice against Leicester to get a point, I don't think our lot could fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I thoroughly expect a week surrender in the next game.

It't not a case of people being miserable. Some people choose to see the reality while others turn a blind eye to it.

As for Alan Irvine the rest of the Premier League is laughing at us (rightfully so) and quite frankly is embarassing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 04, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
Can you please post up evidence to backup the statement "the premier league is laughing at us"

Or is that just another throwaway comment because you think they are??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 04, 2014, 07:42:41 PM
When were not playing the top 6 we should be going into the rest of the games with an expectation of winning.

When were going to places like Swansea and treating it as a damage limitation exercise then it's really time to panic.

Leicester managed to fight back twice against Leicester to get a point, I don't think our lot could fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I thoroughly expect a week surrender in the next game.

It't not a case of people being miserable. Some people choose to see the reality while others turn a blind eye to it.

As for Alan Irvine the rest of the Premier League is laughing at us (rightfully so) and quite frankly is embarassing.

We fought back against Sunderland after being 1-0 down. Also I don't think anyone in the Premier League is laughing at us at all, maybe some fans from other clubs who see Irvine as "the guy who got sacked in League 1 with Sheff Wed" without really knowing anything about him or how our club is run.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 04, 2014, 08:00:50 PM
Liam, I know you aren't lying. I know you truly believe all this to be factual. But the more I read about Irvine at Sheffield Wednesday, the more he looks like a massive fan scapegoat.


Brian Laws was sacked in December 2009 with the club in the relegation zone.

             W  D  L  pts

Brian Laws   4  6 11   18


Under Irvine the club performed better. They would have finished mid-table again with Irvine's 1.2 points per game for the entire season.

             W  D  L  pts

Alan Irvine  7  7  9   28



Whatever it looked like, the truth is that the team did improve and returned to form under Irvine. I'm not disputing the negativity, only the false assertion that Irvine didn't get a lot more points than Laws did.


No, Mandarić agreed to purchase the club on 29 November (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/nov/29/sheffield-wednesday-sold-milan-mandaric), the day before the club were due to enter administration. The deal was completed on 14 December. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_wed/9226161.stm) Irvine was sacked four days after the January transfer window closed. Admittedly, that's longer than some of our fans were willing to give him, but four days?

And as an example of what Irvine had to put up with, Wednesday lost their last scout when Laws was sacked (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1358099/Whatever-happened-Sheffield-Wednesday.html). They had no scouts at all during Irvine's entire tenure. (They were skint.)


Leyton Orient was an away game. The Exeter loss was Mandarić's first game as owner. He sacked Irvine after a 5-3 loss to Peterborough. Every one of those terrible results occurred in the first six league games after Mandarić bought the club.

In fact, on 11 December, three days before Mandarić bought the club, Irvine had them in 2nd place, coming off a 6-2 win over Bristol Rovers. After Mandarić bought the club, the next six league games were the total, complete, utter disaster that has been used with which to persecute Irvine ever since.

Every time I see 'failed in League One', a phrase I have come to loathe, it's someone using these six games under new ownership to write off his entire career. I have absolutely no idea what happened between Irvine and Mandarić, but those six games were the result.


That is simply not the case. They fared worse under Megson, falling from 12th to 15th.

              W  D  L  pts  GF  GA
Alan Irvine  10  5 11   35  41  35
Gary Megson   6  5  9   23  26  32


Admittedly not. But this post is not about winning an argument with you or convincing anyone that Irvine is great, it's about bringing some desperately-needed balance and facts to this repulsive thread. We can't even have a sensible discussion about Irvine's faults with all the unreasonable hostility on display. I'm certainly not going to have a conversation with someone who can muster only 'League One failure' or 'certs to be relegated', even if he does post it six times a day. (I'm not referring to you, of course.)


One might think coming 24 hours from administration might have featured in there, but clearly something about Irvine induces...contempt? disgust? incoherent rage? amongst supporters. It's not connected to wins and losses, as definitely others have done worse.

Good arguments Quakes and having checked, you were right, the Leyton Orient defeat was away from home. I knew they had lost heavily and I was going from memory at the time.

The initial start to Alan Irvine started well - he promised attractive football and you are right about when Irvine had taken over club. I don't buy your following comparisons because quite frankly they are stats pulled from the sky because Irvine wasn't there for the full season. There are other stats from that season which don't paint Irvine in a positive light either, one win in their last twelve league games, or two in their last 16 as the club surrendered and inevitably ended up relegated. Such was Alan Irvine's negativity that towards the end of the season in a crunch game against Cardiff the side having got back on level terms sat back and eventually minutes after conceded and eventually lost the game 3-2. Even against Palace after grabbing an equaliser in a game they had to win, Irvine replaced one of their forwards with a midfielder - they eventually drew the game but were relegated.

There was also the occasion where Alan Irvine ordered for the pitch to be extended and then played Chris Sedgwick and James O'Connor as his wide men in an extremely narrow midfield (something we've seen here so far).

My timing of Mandaric's purchase of the club is wrong but I knew he was given money to re-shape his squad -  He signed Gary Madine on a fee around £800,000 alongside Michael Morrison, Reda Johnson, Issiah Osbourne and Mark Reynolds as highlighted in this article (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/03/alan-irvine-sheffield-wednesday-sacked). I think he may have signed Julian Bennett too but don't quote me on that.

Alan Irvine isn't hated either, far from it, disliked for his dour, unimaginative football but certainly not hated. The only manager they have hated in recent times was Dave Jones, but the opinion that he is one of the worst managers ever is an opinion shared by many, you only have to read the forums and social networks to establish that.

I've given Irvine the benefit of the doubt and my posts regarding his time at Sheffield Wednesday are not me being anti Irvine but more-so Irvine needing to learn lessons if he is to be successful here - as I highlighted Sunday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 04, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
but the opinion that he is one of the worst managers ever is an opinion shared by many, you only have to read the forums and social networks to establish that.

forums are not necessarily a good representation of a clubs fan base . If someone read this forum they would have been expecting a massive protest about the appointment of Irvine together with hundreds of people returning their Season tickets .Didn't actually happen though did it?
Forums give people the opportunity to voice an opinion that wouldn't get given the time of day in the real world. l have little doubt that a number of Sheff Wed fans disliked Alan Irvine but there is a silent majority who may not hold a similar view . If we won the world cup under Roy Hodgson there would be someone somewhere criticising his selections , and questioning his tactics . Judge Irvine on what he does here , not on someone elses view of his past.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 04, 2014, 08:24:43 PM
When were not playing the top 6 we should be going into the rest of the games with an expectation of winning.

When were going to places like Swansea and treating it as a damage limitation exercise then it's really time to panic.

Leicester managed to fight back twice against Leicester to get a point, I don't think our lot could fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I thoroughly expect a week surrender in the next game.

It't not a case of people being miserable. Some people choose to see the reality while others turn a blind eye to it.

As for Alan Irvine the rest of the Premier League is laughing at us (rightfully so) and quite frankly is embarassing.

It's not just the Premierleague but all leagues! Every fan I've spoken to since his appointment has taken the p**s.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 04, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
forums are not necessarily a good representation of a clubs fan base . If someone read this forum they would have been expecting a massive protest about the appointment of Irvine together with hundreds of people returning their Season tickets .Didn't actually happen though did it?
Forums give people the opportunity to voice an opinion that wouldn't get given the time of day in the real world. l have little doubt that a number of Sheff Wed fans disliked Alan Irvine but there is a silent majority who may not hold a similar view . If we won the world cup under Roy Hodgson there would be someone somewhere criticising his selections , and questioning his tactics . Judge Irvine on what he does here , not on someone elses view of his past.

I agree with you on the forum part although their forum does have over 23,000 members. I've spent plenty of time in Sheffield - the majority of my friends originate from that area and I see them regularly and even the Wednesday fans I've come cross haven't been complimentary to Irvine's record or his style. They have recognised that Irvine is an excellent coach, a nice, humble fella but ultimately someone is better suited to being a number two than being the lead man.

I would be lying if I said my friends haven't clouded my viewpoint and no doubt they will depress me further when I meet them in Birmingham a week on Tuesday but I am prepared to give Alan Irvine the chance. He has a chance to prove to us all that he has learned from his spells at Wednesday and Preston. He's got an opportunity here that he probably wouldn't have received ay any other club - I know he will be dilligent, I know the players will like him but ultimately he will be judged on what happens on the pitch and I believe that is where he will struggle - although I desperately hope he proves and countless others wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on September 04, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
forums are not necessarily a good representation of a clubs fan base . If someone read this forum they would have been expecting a massive protest about the appointment of Irvine together with hundreds of people returning their Season tickets .Didn't actually happen though did it?
Forums give people the opportunity to voice an opinion that wouldn't get given the time of day in the real world. l have little doubt that a number of Sheff Wed fans disliked Alan Irvine but there is a silent majority who may not hold a similar view . If we won the world cup under Roy Hodgson there would be someone somewhere criticising his selections , and questioning his tactics . Judge Irvine on what he does here , not on someone elses view of his past.

Yeah, great post and would agree.

Let's face it, those who seem to spend all day posting on Twitter / Facebook and other social media plus Forums (I'd dearly love to know what they do for a living to have the time to do this) are not always the most level headed and rounded personalities.

I recall reading a well written article in a football magazine by a professional footballer who stated that supporters of a club only really get to know about 5% of what actually goes on behind the scenes, and I would guess that's fairly accurate.

No one can say how the Irvine era will pan out and personally I trust the Albion hierarchy to do the right thing, and at this moment in time Irvine's our Head Coach and that's fine with me to be honest.

If people want to stress and worry about it and be concerned about what other supporters may think then that's up to them, that's what forums are for, but I won't be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 04, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
To be honest everyone is looking at what Irvine's has done in past, I don't particularly buy into it - like players manager will find a club that fits, do well, move on and it all goes wrong. I also don't buy into the he needs 10 games or he needs to date x to prove to us. He like other managers should be judged on the here a now.

Forget the personal attacks on the guy, what he's done, all the 'best coach ever' nonsense. Is he delivering what he said he would? That's the key question. For me at the moment its a no. That's not to say it won't change but if you ask me if I'm happy I'd say not particularly. I don't see a change in style, I don't see more attack minded play I see a continuation of what's gone before.

The key to this appointment is JP, and timing IF he needs to take action.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 04, 2014, 09:48:13 PM
I wasn't enamoured with Irvine's selection.  However I'm solely judging him as WBA manager.  So far he's been woeful.  He seems weak, lacks charisma, panders to a clique, lacks personality, lacks passion.  He seems a very slow learner.  Why are we still selecting the same rubbish from last season?  Why not think on your feet a little?  Along with Burnley we are without doubt the worse team in league.  Continuing along this path will result in relegation.  We have no option but to turn to the new signings.  The longstanding core players by and large have failed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 04, 2014, 10:08:32 PM
I wasn't enamoured with Irvine's selection.  However I'm solely judging him as WBA manager.  So far he's been woeful.  He seems weak, lacks charisma, panders to a clique, lacks personality, lacks passion.  He seems a very slow learner.  Why are we still selecting the same rubbish from last season?  Why not think on your feet a little?  Along with Burnley we are without doubt the worse team in league.  Continuing along this path will result in relegation.  We have no option but to turn to the new signings.  The longstanding core players by and large have failed.

Weak in what way? I don't see what charisma has to do with anything, Mel showed great charm but obviously wasn't good enough. Pandering to what clique? He's played the players that have been match fit and did well in the first two games. Again personality has nothing to with what he achieves as a coach so to say he's woeful because you don't enjoy his interviews is very over the top. If him shouting and going mad on the touchline is him showing passion then I'd rather he didn't, we don't know what he's like in the dressing room and training ground to judge whether he's passionate or not. The same rubbish from last season also contain players who helped us achieve 8th, 10th and 11th. Are they still good enough to play a part this season? Time will tell. To be honest I've seen similar comments about personality levelled at Roy Hodgson and Steve Clarke and they did pretty well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2014, 10:18:47 PM
I don't buy your following comparisons because quite frankly they are stats pulled from the sky because Irvine wasn't there for the full season. There are other stats from that season which don't paint Irvine in a positive light either, one win in their last twelve league games, or two in their last 16 as the club surrendered and inevitably ended up relegated.

I fail to see how the won-loss records of the club under each manager, i.e. how many points he got, is something pulled from the sky. A record over just the last twelve or sixteen games is, by definition, only part of the story.


Such was Alan Irvine's negativity that towards the end of the season in a crunch game against Cardiff the side having got back on level terms sat back and eventually minutes after conceded and eventually lost the game 3-2. Even against Palace after grabbing an equaliser in a game they had to win, Irvine replaced one of their forwards with a midfielder - they eventually drew the game but were relegated.

There was also the occasion where Alan Irvine ordered for the pitch to be extended and then played Chris Sedgwick and James O'Connor as his wide men in an extremely narrow midfield (something we've seen here so far).

I didn't see it, so I can't really comment. Surely he must have gotten something right in the seven games they won, though?


My timing of Mandaric's purchase of the club is wrong but I knew he was given money to re-shape his squad -  He signed Gary Madine on a fee around £800,000 alongside Michael Morrison, Reda Johnson, Issiah Osbourne and Mark Reynolds as highlighted in this article (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/03/alan-irvine-sheffield-wednesday-sacked). I think he may have signed Julian Bennett too but don't quote me on that.

On face value, I don't understand the significance. Irvine was sacked when the window closed. He never got a chance to work with any of them.


Alan Irvine isn't hated either, far from it, disliked for his dour, unimaginative football but certainly not hated. The only manager they have hated in recent times was Dave Jones, but the opinion that he is one of the worst managers ever is an opinion shared by many, you only have to read the forums and social networks to establish that.

I already conceded that Irvine's managerial skills are held in great contempt by lots of fans. I contend merely that it is not justified by the actual results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 04, 2014, 11:15:31 PM
Weak in what way? I don't see what charisma has to do with anything, Mel showed great charm but obviously wasn't good enough. Pandering to what clique? He's played the players that have been match fit and did well in the first two games. Again personality has nothing to with what he achieves as a coach so to say he's woeful because you don't enjoy his interviews is very over the top. If him shouting and going mad on the touchline is him showing passion then I'd rather he didn't, we don't know what he's like in the dressing room and training ground to judge whether he's passionate or not. The same rubbish from last season also contain players who helped us achieve 8th, 10th and 11th. Are they still good enough to play a part this season? Time will tell. To be honest I've seen similar comments about personality levelled at Roy Hodgson and Steve Clarke and they did pretty well.

Under Hodgson the real stand out stars were Olson, McAuley, Mulumbu, Yacob and the mercurial Odemwingie (like it or not).  We thought the rest were good too but it was just they had good players around them.  They've been since found out.  Rather like a whole host of Man U players down the years Wallwork, O'Shea Johny Evans, Cleverly etc.  Frightening to think we started last season well under Clarke too, including 4 pts from Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford.  We carry on playing this bad and confidence will be rock bottom.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 04, 2014, 11:22:38 PM
Forgot to add, I don't think Pete Mel did anything wrong.  In fact he diagnosed the stand out problem of a very slow midfield, just wasn't allowed to solve it.  Now we're left with with the same problem handed to a new manager.  And 1 seemingly oblivious to it in these early days!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 04, 2014, 11:29:22 PM
Forgot to add, I don't think Pete Mel did anything wrong.  In fact he diagnosed the stand out problem of a very slow midfield, just wasn't allowed to solve it.  Now we're left with with the same problem handed to a new manager.  And 1 seemingly oblivious to it in these early days!

I think after Hodgson Mel for me was the one who you could actually see try to change the style, Clarke, downing & irvine (so far) just seem poor imitations of  Hodgson. Shame really because I think we've lost our footballing identity
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on September 04, 2014, 11:39:07 PM
I don't think I can agree as such Quakes. Unlike many pompous journalists and football people (Chris Lepkowski being a classic example), I personally happen to find a clubs own fans opinions of their club (outside the big 6 or 7 of course) to be by far the best judge of how good a player or manager has been. They are by no means perfect of course, however they are often the only people paying regular attention to the fortunes of their team, as national media and most neutral fans will naturally be drawn towards the bigger teams with the best players.

Irvine did not succeed at either Preston or Sheffield Wednesday. That is hard to argue against. The simplistic "failed league 1 manager" may be a little cruel (and I have used it myself on occasion), but it is the easiest (and maybe laziest) way of saying he failed to succeed at league 1 level.

What I find most key however, is hearing why Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans were so negative when he joined us. Both sets of fans talked about very narrow line ups, increasingly negative tactics the longer a game went on that often resulted in the team bowing into pressure and conceding late goals, as well as the football being dull and uninspiring.

Now you have to give him time, as he may have learned from his mistakes (and they were mistakes). However in his first few games at the club, we have already seen some of the signals and traces of just what their fans talked about. Against Sunderland, Irvine's substitutions were said by those who were there to have had an adverse effect on us and may have contributed to Sunderland getting a late equaliser. We then saw against Oxford a very rigid performance (maybe his fault, maybe not), but what followed as the game went on was the second massive alarm siren (with 2 defensive midfielders already on the pitch, he chose to place a defensive midfielder on the right of midfield, in what can only be seen as an attempt to hold on to the 1-0 lead we had). This yet again back fired and resulted in an equaliser and subsequent domination by Oxford for the next 20 minutes. Finally we had the extremely poor performance at Swansea. That is 2 points in 3 games, no wins in our first 4 games in all competitions (discounting penalties - i'm talking about in 90 minutes), and our players only scoring 1 goal from open play in our first 4 games and no goals in 2 out of our first 3 league games.

It is early days, and with a full squad we may see Irvine "come out of his shell" with his tactics and it may well work out, but it is hard not to comment on these early signals which suggest the criticisms from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans may have had some merit. Especially when we know Irvine can be very stubborn and arrogant about his own views, as seen by his very ill advised comments to Radio Sheffield saying comments along the lines of "unless you have played the game or have coaching badges then I'm not interested in your opinions on my tactics". Lets hope he has learnt his lessons. It just hasn't started all that well yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 04, 2014, 11:51:15 PM
I think the next game could be a very good indicator as to what we can expect from Irivine. Against a club that he will no inside and out does he set us up to defend against their strengths or attack their weaknesses and go for it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
I think the next game could be a very good indicator as to what we can expect from Irivine. Against a club that he will no inside and out does he set us up to defend against their strengths or attack their weaknesses and go for it.

I am willing to go out on a limb and say injuries aside he won't make more than 2 changes from the side that lost at Swansea despite the signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 05, 2014, 12:05:22 AM
I am willing to go out on a limb and say injuries aside he won't make more than 2 changes from the side that lost at Swansea despite the signings.

It's my concern too. I keep looking at the fixtures and I'm struggling to see where points are coming from in the next 5 games if we play the team/formation & style we have in these 1st 4 games. Let's hope we're both wrong and the new guys get the nod
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 05, 2014, 01:38:56 AM
I don't think I can agree as such Quakes. Unlike many pompous journalists and football people (Chris Lepkowski being a classic example), I personally happen to find a clubs own fans opinions of their club (outside the big 6 or 7 of course) to be by far the best judge of how good a player or manager has been. They are by no means perfect of course, however they are often the only people paying regular attention to the fortunes of their team, as national media and most neutral fans will naturally be drawn towards the bigger teams with the best players.

Irvine did not succeed at either Preston or Sheffield Wednesday. That is hard to argue against. The simplistic "failed league 1 manager" may be a little cruel (and I have used it myself on occasion), but it is the easiest (and maybe laziest) way of saying he failed to succeed at league 1 level.

I don't think he spent enough time in League One to be a success or a failure. His club was 2nd at Christmas (or thereabouts), a new owner bought the bankrupt club for a pound and the team disintegrated instantly, literally overnight, and six games later he was gone. It all just looks...strange.

As for Preston, 144 points in 99 games is slightly better than average. If people said, "Well, he was slightly better than average in the Championship, but that's not good enough for the Albion," I'd have no problem with that. But instead, we hear about how players worldwide will refuse to sign because of him. How there is no hope whatsoever -- none -- that we will avoid relegation. How other clubs are amused by our folly, as if our gaffer were a dog or a monkey.

The negative criticism is disproportionate to the results he has achieved.


What I find most key however, is hearing why Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans were so negative when he joined us. Both sets of fans talked about very narrow line ups, increasingly negative tactics the longer a game went on that often resulted in the team bowing into pressure and conceding late goals, as well as the football being dull and uninspiring.

I agree. Now that also happens to describe most of the Albion games I've seen, so perhaps I'm a bit less alarmed at the prospect.  ;) That also describes teams under Alex McLeish, Craig Levein, Bob Bradley, Mark Watson, so many managers I've watched a lot. It irritates me, and yet it never seems to go away. So to hear Irvine is like that is just more business as usual to me. If we stay in the Prem because of it, I'll learn to appreciate it.

There is a difference between unattractive football and ineffective football, and when you consider the 'slightly better than average' results Irvine has achieved, I think many of these ultra-negative Preston and Owls fans aren't distinguishing between the two.


Now you have to give him time, as he may have learned from his mistakes (and they were mistakes). However in his first few games at the club, we have already seen some of the signals and traces of just what their fans talked about. Against Sunderland, Irvine's substitutions were said by those who were there to have had an adverse effect on us and may have contributed to Sunderland getting a late equaliser. We then saw against Oxford a very rigid performance (maybe his fault, maybe not), but what followed as the game went on was the second massive alarm siren (with 2 defensive midfielders already on the pitch, he chose to place a defensive midfielder on the right of midfield, in what can only be seen as an attempt to hold on to the 1-0 lead we had). This yet again back fired and resulted in an equaliser and subsequent domination by Oxford for the next 20 minutes. Finally we had the extremely poor performance at Swansea. That is 2 points in 3 games, no wins in our first 4 games in all competitions (discounting penalties - i'm talking about in 90 minutes), and our players only scoring 1 goal from open play in our first 4 games and no goals in 2 out of our first 3 league games.

It is early days, and with a full squad we may see Irvine "come out of his shell" with his tactics and it may well work out, but it is hard not to comment on these early signals which suggest the criticisms from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans may have had some merit. Especially when we know Irvine can be very stubborn and arrogant about his own views, as seen by his very ill advised comments to Radio Sheffield saying comments along the lines of "unless you have played the game or have coaching badges then I'm not interested in your opinions on my tactics". Lets hope he has learnt his lessons. It just hasn't started all that well yet.

Well put. If you check my game predictions so far, they have been 0-0, 1-1, 1-0, and 1-1. Irvine hasn't surprised me.

Whilst I would never come out and say it, I wouldn't listen to fans either if I were Irvine. Everyone at the club would have my full and complete attention, but never fans.

Good to see you posting again.  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 05, 2014, 08:27:54 AM
The next excuse for a bad performance against Everton is ready and waiting, crocked returning international players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 05, 2014, 08:42:08 AM
Can you please post up evidence to backup the statement "the premier league is laughing at us"

Or is that just another throwaway comment because you think they are??

Read between the lines.

The common theme is "are WBA trying to get themselves relegated".

The answer to that is yes at this point.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 05, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Read between the lines.

The common theme is "are WBA trying to get themselves relegated".

The answer to that is yes at this point.....

Thats got to be the most cryptic answer to another post ever  :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 05, 2014, 09:32:38 AM
Great post Quakes, thank you for setting out facts for the record.

I am concerned by the Irvine negative approach that we have already witnessed, I have great reservations about him, how long he will get if results do not improve? From JP's comments I suspect a little longer than some may deem acceptable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 05, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Great post Quakes, thank you for setting out facts for the record.

I am concerned by the Irvine negative approach that we have already witnessed, I have great reservations about him, how long he will get if results do not improve? From JP's comments I suspect a little longer than some may deem acceptable.

I think it depends alot on the everton and spuds games, If we get beat with very little going forward then i would imagine burnley will be a huge game for Irvine and even more so our club, Thats excluding the cup game which will add to the factor.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 05, 2014, 09:58:45 AM
I think it depends alot on the everton and spuds games, If we get beat with very little going forward then i would imagine burnley will be a huge game for Irvine and even more so our club, Thats excluding the cup game which will add to the factor.

I think if we dont beat Spurs and/or Everton, and we dont beat Burnley, the writing could be close to being on the wall, as im guessing the fans would turn quite quickly. (Some already have by the sounds of things).

I for one hope he works out here, purely for the fact that if he keeps his job it means hes doing something right and therefore we will remain in the Premier League.

I would never wish for a manager to do badly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2014, 10:07:32 AM
Read between the lines.

The common theme is "are WBA trying to get themselves relegated".

The answer to that is yes at this point.....

Read between what lines??

And im sorry but nobody at the club is TRYING to get relegated at all. Anyone who actually believes that is stu-stu-stu-stupid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 05, 2014, 11:00:02 AM
And im sorry but nobody at the club is TRYING to get relegated at all. Anyone who actually believes that is stu-stu-stu-stupid

At this point in time we only have a certain amount of facts. Albion have cleared the decks of 12/13 players and have brought in 11. Amongst those 11 are people who are earning more than anyone ever has at the Albion, someone for whom we've paid more than at any point in history and for example, we've signed 3 guys who played at the World Cup.

In looking for a head coach Albion have employed someone who is very much regarded as an excellent coach, so much so that Lescott only really signed for us because of Alan and others have gone on record saying how much they are enjoying his coaching. People at large constantly comment that he is highly regarded in the UK as being a very good coach. The fact that his stints at Sheff Weds and Preston didn't go well as only half relevant. At neither place was he the coach, he was the manager and i very much doubt he had close to the amount of support we have here now.

Thos who are slamming our performances so far (about half our new players haven't played or at most have got 30 mins), those who are just being critical of AI for the sake of it and especially those who think we actually want to be relegated are just taken their bias and exagerated it to a point where they are embarrasing theirselves.

Who on Earth would we want to be relegated? JP would lose a huge chunk of the Albion's value, we'd lose our big matches with Europe's elite, the quality of player would plummet...... It makes Zero sense..... Anyone trying to quote the JP thing where he said we were a mid table champ club knows full well that he wasn't saying he wanted us to be that, he was talking about the attendence size and financial input.

How about we give the bloke some time? If by November we're playing badly and being negative, then fair enough. But until that point and especially after having introduced so many new people, how about we just try to actually support the bloke? I don't care that you didn't want him, he's here now and maoning about it constantly is getting boring beyondf believe!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 05, 2014, 11:02:08 AM
Oh and one other thing..... If the final options were AI or Sherwood I'd have taken AI every single time. Sherwood is a self serving loudmouth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2014, 12:02:24 PM
Oh and one other thing..... If the final options were AI or Sherwood I'd have taken AI every single time. Sherwood is a self serving loudmouth.


and i would have gone the opposite like many others.Irvine is as boring as Clarke on and off the pitch.
Lets wait and see eh.I will hold my hands up if i am proved wrong but on the evidence i have seen so far i very much doubt it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
Sherwood all day long. With Ferdinand and Ramsey.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 05, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
I am willing to go out on a limb and say injuries aside he won't make more than 2 changes from the side that lost at Swansea despite the signings.

I agree. Poco and Anichebe to return. Same starting line up as Sunderland. We might see the others by Xmas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 05, 2014, 12:28:08 PM
You have to say the Burnley game is looking like the deal breaker unless we beat Everton (not very likely) or Spurs (extremely unlikely). I think the knives will be out if we are winless in the league then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2014, 12:43:52 PM
You have to say the Burnley game is looking like the deal breaker unless we beat Everton (not very likely) or Spurs (extremely unlikely). I think the knives will be out if we are winless in the league then.


Also trying to win a game sometimes helps
Playing for must not loose games especially at home is just another nail in coffin
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on September 05, 2014, 01:42:29 PM
That's my problem with Irvine, we have played 3 games only lost one admittedly but it's the manner we play.....we haven't tried to win any of them, I can stand losing if we try to win. And I've been to them all and the Swansea game was the worst performance I can remember by a premier league team, never mind we won't do a Leeds, Pompey etc etc.... His sessions are great etc etc.... Well respected coach....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 05, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Read between the lines.

The common theme is "are WBA trying to get themselves relegated".

The answer to that is yes at this point.....

The answer, I'll think you'll find is: 'Why the bloody hell would they try and get themselves relegated.'

There's no conspiracy, there's no hidden agenda. If anyone at the club wanted us relegated they'd have done it last year when we survived by the skin of our teeth. If you're going to post things along the lines of 'the club are trying to get themselves relegated' please suggest why an astute businessman would deliberately reduce his income by tens of millions of pounds.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 05, 2014, 02:03:10 PM
That's my problem with Irvine, we have played 3 games only lost one admittedly but it's the manner we play.....we haven't tried to win any of them, I can stand losing if we try to win. And I've been to them all and the Swansea game was the worst performance I can remember by a premier league team, never mind we won't do a Leeds, Pompey etc etc.... His sessions are great etc etc.... Well respected coach....

Eh? We pulled it back to 1-1 against Sunderland and went on to score a second surely if we didn't try to win we would have put eleven men behind the ball after equalising and took the draw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 05, 2014, 02:08:28 PM
That's my problem with Irvine, we have played 3 games only lost one admittedly but it's the manner we play.....we haven't tried to win any of them, I can stand losing if we try to win. And I've been to them all and the Swansea game was the worst performance I can remember by a premier league team, never mind we won't do a Leeds, Pompey etc etc.... His sessions are great etc etc.... Well respected coach....

The Sunderland game was a real statement, we played to win and it was an entertaining game. But you carry on focusing on the negatives and changing the facts to fit your view.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2014, 02:47:11 PM
Like someone said above the Swansea performance was probably the worst in our premier league history so far, even the swansea fans couldnt believe we rolled over to have our bellies tickled, it was pathetic.The Sunderland game was nothing on the scale attacking intent than when Mel was in charge but yes proably equal to goals conceeded.So far we have gone backwards with Irvine in charge but lets see some improvement against Everton and i might calm down a bit
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 05, 2014, 02:52:58 PM
The Sunderland game was a real statement, we played to win and it was an entertaining game. But you carry on focusing on the negatives and changing the facts to fit your view.
Yes but at 2-1 he tried to consolidate and failed.
If we had gone for the kill and lost however he would have been lambasted anyway.
My worry is that, as with Clark and many, many others, when the going gets tough the fear will kick in and he will resort to playing not to lose, rather than to win. Which seems to have been the case in subsequent games.
It seems to me that if you offer up concerns with Irvine you are labelled as negative (to the point of being told to stay away in extreme circumstances), but it has to be accepted that these concerns are justified and worthy of debate.
I am not anti Irvine, I am pro Albion, so, if he comes out all guns blazing pooh or bust he will get my support regardless of results. If, however, he shrinks into his shell and plays negative, drab, fearful football he will be doing himself and all of us, a great miss service and deserve everything he gets.
We have attacking options now so he has no excuses.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2014, 03:30:07 PM
Its been said many times if we go into a game looking to win we can take a defeat much easier
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 05, 2014, 03:35:27 PM
That's my problem with Irvine, we have played 3 games only lost one admittedly but it's the manner we play.....we haven't tried to win any of them, I can stand losing if we try to win. And I've been to them all and the Swansea game was the worst performance I can remember by a premier league team, never mind we won't do a Leeds, Pompey etc etc.... His sessions are great etc etc.... Well respected coach....

I'm  damn sure we tried to beat Sunderland, some of our passing and movement was excellent that is untill we sat back through lack of confidence and fear of losing.

Not the coaches fault and can only be cured by a couple of wins and the introduction of the new players who haven't yet got that losing feeling ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 05, 2014, 03:38:42 PM
Four games in and I've probably seen about 20-30 minutes of half decent (at best) football - 20 minutes against Sunderland at home and a 10 minute spell at Southampton.

I'm glad I won't be at the Everton or Spurs games as I feel we could really be in for a couple of bad defeats. Burnley at home is massive and I wouldn't be surprised if Irvine wasn't around for that game.

Having said that, in his defence I think once again the transfer window was pretty poor (due diligence, really?) and he is working with a number of "senior pros" and coaching staff who still have far too much influence at the club.

I want Irvine out but he's not the only problem at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 05, 2014, 06:59:34 PM
Four games in and I've probably seen about 20-30 minute half decent (at best) football - 20 minutes against Sunderland at home and a 10 minute spell at Southampton.

I'm glad I won't be at the Everton or Spurs games as I feel we could really be in for a couple of bad defeats. Burnley at home is massive and I wouldn't be surprised if Irvine wasn't around for that game.

Having said that, in his defence I think once again the transfer window was pretty poor (due diligence, really?) and he is working with a number of "senior pros" and coaching staff who still have far too much influence at the club.

I want Irvine out but he's not the only problem at the club.

Out of interest, can you qualify why you think the transfer window was poor? Have we not replaced players with ones of (reputedly) better quality?  Have we not brought in quick, wide players? Have we not brought in players who are representatives at the highest level of the game?

I too am disappointed that we didn't manage to bring in Messi or Ronaldo but, for me , I think we have done quite well for a club trying to lose matches and get relegated ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 06, 2014, 05:46:55 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/that-was-the-summer-that-was-final-part-1900235.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/that-was-the-summer-that-was-final-part-1900235.aspx)

Chairman praises Irvine work-ethic

JEREMY Peace has praised the work-ethic and diligence of Alan Irvine as the club’s new head coach has confronted the Barclays Premier League challenge.

The Albion chairman earlier this week spoke of a “happier” club emerging from last season’s survival scare and believes Irvine has played a significant role in restoring harmony.

“At the end of last season, we knew we were going to have to do some work with the squad but we also wanted to carry on with the coaching tradition,” he said.

“Terry (Burton)’s top recommendation as head of football was always Alan and he came through the process very strongly.
 
“By the end of it we thought 'Yes,' he would be our No. 1 choice. He has been very good to work with throughout this window. He has been very diligent, he hasn't just chucked names in in terms of players to come into the squad.

“He has thought long and hard about it, spent a lot of time studying the targets, looking at all the clips and working with Terry. He is in here very early, he leaves very late. He is well organised. I can't fault him at all on his work-ethic.

“He seems to have a good rapport with the players and he is very down to earth. He is a good bloke, a good man. So far so good I would say.

“Obviously you have got to get results, it's a results based business but I think he gets that. He has set his stall out well.”

But the chairman has sympathy for Irvine having to start the season three games before the transfer window is shut.

He remains convinced that it favours the spending power of the Premier League’s elite top six and burdens the clubs fighting to stay in touch.

Peace has repeatedly backed a change in the current system but reluctantly acknowledges it is a battle nigh impossible to win.

“If you spoke to the other clubs in the Premier League they would all say it’s not ideal,” he said.

“We are all the same in our little league (outside the top six).

“My ideal would be that everyone would get the opportunity to complete their squads and then the season would start.

“No player would then be unsettled thinking that they might still be moving and worried about getting injured.

“We have raised it with the Premier League and said: ‘Close the transfer window at the start of the season.’

“But they mention the League Cup, the FA Cup, no winter break and the fact that World Cups and European Championships eat into the window.

“All of these things mean we can’t do it so we’re stuck with it.

“If we could do it I would certainly be in favour because it would remove a whole load of uncertainty.

“It must be a nightmare for those who have just been promoted.

“You try to get things done as early as possible but sometimes you can’t."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 06, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
It's more lip service but within it is a clear message to Irvine: The season starts now. No more excuses.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on September 06, 2014, 11:56:34 PM
Like someone said above the Swansea performance was probably the worst in our premier league history so far

Sorry chap, got to disagree.
I was at Swansea and yes we were poor for about 70-75 mins of the game.
However, having been in attendance at both Sunderland and Fulham away during Tony Mowbray's tenure, in my honest opinion (Prem' wise) Swansea does not compare.
 :-[.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2014, 12:40:25 AM
Sorry chap, got to disagree.
I was at Swansea and yes we were poor for about 70-75 mins of the game.
However, having been in attendance at both Sunderland and Fulham away during Tony Mowbray's tenure, in my honest opinion (Prem' wise) Swansea does not compare.
 :-[.

There were some horrific aways under Megson and Robson, we just weren't that bothered!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 07, 2014, 08:16:21 AM
Like someone said above the Swansea performance was probably the worst in our premier league history so far,
Sorry mate Norwich away, last away game a couple of seasons ago we were even crapper than that!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on September 07, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Sorry mate Norwich away, last away game a couple of seasons ago we were even crapper than that!

I had managed to erase that one from my memory banks.
Great day out interupted by a debacle. All was well on the pitch to begin with.
Then the game kicked off.
 :o.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 07, 2014, 11:27:55 AM
Sorry chap, got to disagree.
I was at Swansea and yes we were poor for about 70-75 mins of the game.
However, having been in attendance at both Sunderland and Fulham away during Tony Mowbray's tenure, in my honest opinion (Prem' wise) Swansea does not compare.
 :-[.

We were awful most away games under Mowbray. The 6-1 against Fulham and 4-0 against Birmingham come to mind as bad away days when Robson was manager.

Anyway on topic, let's hope for some good away days this season under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 07, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
Quite happy to have a "boring" first half of the season getting 24 points then has the team gels and we get a bit more confidence , go for a few wins and finish mid table.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 07, 2014, 02:42:25 PM
Quite happy to have a "boring" first half of the season getting 24 points then has the team gels and we get a bit more confidence , go for a few wins and finish mid table.

I think all of us would settle for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 07, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
Quite happy to have a "boring" first half of the season getting 24 points then has the team gels and we get a bit more confidence , go for a few wins and finish mid table.
You are one incredibly optimistic guy if you think there is any chance whatsoever of us getting 24 points in the first half of the season. Beyond optimistic in fact, straying very near to fantasy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 07, 2014, 06:58:40 PM
There were some horrific aways under Megson and Robson, we just weren't that bothered!!


Plus a lot of rubbish 1st halfs followed by a greatly improved 2nd.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 07, 2014, 08:24:23 PM
Didn't agree with AI appointment at all. But think anyone that criticises him at this stage of the season really must have an agenda.

Last season was probably the worst since Robson was sacked. Huge overhaul of the squad was required and achieved.

We've bought in 11 new players FFS. You ve got to give the guy until Xmas.

If van gaal can't work miracles in 3 games what chance has our Alan ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 07, 2014, 09:21:47 PM
I don't think you will find a single Albion fan that wanted Alan Irvine and wasn't in total shock when he was announced as our new head coach, I genuinely thought it was a joke when I was told and actually laughed it off until I saw it was actually true. I have absolutely no problem with anyone being critical of him for what he is actually doing at the club now he is in the job rather than just basing it on his past as some have, for me he started with a clean slate when he took the job.

The jury is well and truly out for me, he has had issues he has had to deal with, I think everyone would agree with that. Having a high turnover of players this summer has been far from ideal for him, players not being fit or taking us a while to actually get them to the club but that isn't his fault so he gets a little leeway for that from me.

We continually hear how good a coach he is likely to be true, he appears to be well liked and if you believe what local journalists are saying he is helping heal the dressing room after last season. However good a coach he is we just don't know what he is like with things like tactics, team selections and substitutions and the like. All of those things that normal coaching staff don't have to really concern themselves with, so far from what I have seen I would say he hasn't quite been up to the job but its a position he has never been in at this level so there will always be a learning curve.

Personally I don't think he will be a success here, it doesn't help that a fair percentage of our supporters already want him out. I'm willing to give him time, I think any new manager deserves this but the question is how long do you give him? With the stakes so high can we afford to give him until Christmas if things don't improve?

In the short term I want him to be a little less cautious in games and try to get some pace into the side and not be quite so rigid. This is the Premier League, we are going to lose games and some of them will be heavy defeats as its the nature of the league but he needs to give us more of a chance of turning some other clubs over which we are more than capable of if set up to allow a little more attacking play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 07, 2014, 10:11:58 PM
I'm a single Albion fan, and can state categorically,I was not in 'total shock' about the appointment. I just thought maybe you should know that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 07, 2014, 10:17:43 PM
You must be the only one. Get the poll started  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 08, 2014, 08:10:38 AM
He's probably not the only one, in fairness you have made a sweeping statement with the assumption that everyone agrees with you. A sample of one is not a representative sample.

Please modify mod :D 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 08, 2014, 01:15:19 PM
Sorry chap, got to disagree.
I was at Swansea and yes we were poor for about 70-75 mins of the game.
However, having been in attendance at both Sunderland and Fulham away during Tony Mowbray's tenure, in my honest opinion (Prem' wise) Swansea does not compare.
 :-[.

Swansea away the season before last and the season before that also run it pretty close.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on September 08, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
This is getting depresssing.
I never realised how bloody rubbish we are.
 :P.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 08, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
I don't think you will find a single Albion fan that wanted Alan Irvine and wasn't in total shock when he was announced as our new head coach, I genuinely thought it was a joke when I was told and actually laughed it off until I saw it was actually true. I have absolutely no problem with anyone being critical of him for what he is actually doing at the club now he is in the job rather than just basing it on his past as some have, for me he started with a clean slate when he took the job.

The jury is well and truly out for me, he has had issues he has had to deal with, I think everyone would agree with that. Having a high turnover of players this summer has been far from ideal for him, players not being fit or taking us a while to actually get them to the club but that isn't his fault so he gets a little leeway for that from me.

We continually hear how good a coach he is likely to be true, he appears to be well liked and if you believe what local journalists are saying he is helping heal the dressing room after last season. However good a coach he is we just don't know what he is like with things like tactics, team selections and substitutions and the like. All of those things that normal coaching staff don't have to really concern themselves with, so far from what I have seen I would say he hasn't quite been up to the job but its a position he has never been in at this level so there will always be a learning curve.

Personally I don't think he will be a success here, it doesn't help that a fair percentage of our supporters already want him out. I'm willing to give him time, I think any new manager deserves this but the question is how long do you give him? With the stakes so high can we afford to give him until Christmas if things don't improve?

In the short term I want him to be a little less cautious in games and try to get some pace into the side and not be quite so rigid. This is the Premier League, we are going to lose games and some of them will be heavy defeats as its the nature of the league but he needs to give us more of a chance of turning some other clubs over which we are more than capable of if set up to allow a little more attacking play.

Agree with all of this, I really did think someone had got a joke past the mods.

I have resisted posting on this thread much as I just still don't get this appointment, but this sums it up for me.  If Irvine ever had potential for top level management it will almost certainly have gone now.  We change as things happen to us and Preston/SWed was not good for him.  His caution will be inevitable, he will see this as his last chance, he will be desperate not to fail, and that's not the same as wanting to win to prove yourself eg Sherwood.  I feel more sorry for him than I should given what he's probably earning, but this seems set up to fail all round.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
He is digging his own grave im afraid, Always raving the opposition in readyness for excuses
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 08, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
He is digging his own grave im afraid, Always raving the opposition in readyness for excuses

Most managers speak highly about the opposition they are about to face. Just something else to have a go at the bloke for I suppose.

An example, Roberto Martinez had this to say about Chelsea before Everton played against them..

""But unless you are at your top level you can't really compete against teams like Chelsea.

"It is clear Chelsea and Manchester City have started really strongly. They have shown they have no stopping period, they have just started where they left off.

"They are looking in top form straight away and it could be a really difficult sign for everyone else.

"We know how they played last season and now they have got more flair and more options in attack. That makes them a very complete team."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9446244/premier-league-roberto-martinez-says-chelsea-are-very-complete (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9446244/premier-league-roberto-martinez-says-chelsea-are-very-complete)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2014, 03:08:25 PM
Most managers speak highly about the opposition they are about to face. Just something else to have a go at the bloke for I suppose.

An example, Roberto Martinez had this to say about Chelsea before Everton played against them..

""But unless you are at your top level you can't really compete against teams like Chelsea.

"It is clear Chelsea and Manchester City have started really strongly. They have shown they have no stopping period, they have just started where they left off.

"They are looking in top form straight away and it could be a really difficult sign for everyone else.

"We know how they played last season and now they have got more flair and more options in attack. That makes them a very complete team."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9446244/premier-league-roberto-martinez-says-chelsea-are-very-complete (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/9446244/premier-league-roberto-martinez-says-chelsea-are-very-complete)

I don't think most managers do anything of the sort. Your example came as a decent side was going up against a juggernaut with a 100 percent record. We're playing a side who just shipped 6 goals at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 08, 2014, 03:25:23 PM
I don't think most managers do anything of the sort. Your example came as a decent side was going up against a juggernaut with a 100 percent record. We're playing a side who just shipped 6 goals at home.

A team who will finish in the top 7 and are capable of spending £28 million on a player like Lukaku. Irvine's comments was referring to Everton's attack, which is very good. I always see managers praising the opposition before a game, Garry Monk before our game against Swansea was talking about how we were a good team with some good players and how it will be a hard game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 08, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
I don't always agree with WBAinDevon but he's right about the talking up of the opposition, at very least from a PR position it's cringe worthy. The Wednesday fans did warn this about Irvine; that he made out the opposition to be excellent, every single week.

I understand that all managers do it to an extent, but sometimes he takes it way too far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 08, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
I don't always agree with WBAinDevon but he's right about the talking up of the opposition, at very least from a PR position it's cringe worthy. The Wednesday fans did warn this about Irvine; that he made out the opposition to be excellent, every single week.

I understand that all managers do it to an extent, but sometimes he takes it way too far.
Maybe he is using it as a ploy to get his old job back very shortly!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 09, 2014, 03:11:56 AM
I am concerned by what i have already read about the preparation for the Everton game and the sound bites coming out. , where the word " limit" has been used numerously to describe our approach to the contest. We seem to be conceding something before we even  kick off.

We havent got to "limit" them we have got to beat them.

Might be over-reacting.....hope so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 09, 2014, 06:22:33 AM
I think we're talking ourselves into a depression here guys.
I was against his appointment to be fair but I'm prepared to wait until the sick notes are all fit and selectable then make a judgement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 08:11:56 AM
We all know what we are going to get dished up this coming Saturday.Its so predictable.I might have a few beers more
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 09, 2014, 08:37:17 AM
We all know what we are going to get dished up this coming Saturday.Its so predictable.I might have a few beers more

By the look of your avatar Glyn, I think you've had enough  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 08:55:33 AM
By the look of your avatar Glyn, I think you've had enough  ;D



I never watched the show, was he a drunk :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on September 09, 2014, 09:02:41 AM
I think we're talking ourselves into a depression here guys.
I was against his appointment to be fair but I'm prepared to wait until the sick notes are all fit and selectable then make a judgement.

I think most people are reasonable and prepared to wait - however, I ask myself what if we lose our next 3 games against  Everton, Spurs and Burnley, or even if we get just 1 point. Which would most likely leave us rock bottom.
Will we then say 'well give him a chance, he needs time with the new guys', meanwhile the hole is getting deeper.

   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
Roy got himself out of a hole last night with a decent show, lets hope Irvine can do the same this coming Saturday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 09, 2014, 09:07:31 AM
Roy got himself out of a hole last with a decent show, lets hope Irvine can dio the same this coming Saturday

It actually reminded me alot of our situation tbh, Eager and desperate for a win in order to breed confidence you could tell at 1-0 the way we kept giving the ball back to switzerland last 5 minutes how desperate and panicky we was to get the job done, We need a result like west ham at home last season a solid 1-0 in order to kick start our season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on September 09, 2014, 09:15:18 AM
Roy got himself out of a hole last night with a decent show, lets hope Irvine can dio the same this coming Saturday

With respect Devon, Roy is a different proposition to AI. Anyway like you say we have sit and hope for a miracle!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 09, 2014, 09:19:09 AM
It actually reminded me alot of our situation tbh, Eager and desperate for a win in order to breed confidence you could tell at 1-0 the way we kept giving the ball back to switzerland last 5 minutes how desperate and panicky we was to get the job done, We need a result like west ham at home last season a solid 1-0 in order to kick start our season.

We haven't won a game since!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 09, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
We haven't won a game since!  ;D
lol you get the jist, Saturday my mate 4-0 hat trick big Vic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 09, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
lol you get the jist, Saturday my mate 4-0 hat trick big Vic.

I'd snap your hands off for four shots on target.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
I'd snap your hands off for four shots on target.


Steady now, dont be greedy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 10, 2014, 09:36:51 PM
We haven't won a game since!  ;D

Oxford in breath taking fashion!! :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 11:11:35 PM
Oxford in breath taking fashion!! :o

The record books will forever show that we drew 1-1 with Oxford United. Not a win irrespective of the fact we progressed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 11, 2014, 08:14:39 AM
Massive game for Irvine on Saurday.I hope he gets his first win i really do
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on September 11, 2014, 10:26:24 AM
The record books will forever show that we drew 1-1 with Oxford United. Not a win irrespective of the fact we progressed.
The record books show that in 1993 we finished in fourth place so not promoted irrespective of the fact we were by the play-offs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2014, 03:35:34 PM
The record books show that in 1993 we finished in fourth place so not promoted irrespective of the fact we were by the play-offs.

Simply not true.

Promotion through the play offs is promotion. A penalty shoot out victory in cup competition is a draw. I don't know why you can't get your head round it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 11, 2014, 03:37:56 PM
Simply not true.

Promotion through the play offs is promotion. A penalty shoot out victory in cup competition is a draw. I don't know why you can't get your head round it.

But at the end of it , we still progressed in both competitions, hence a positve result?  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 11, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
But at the end of it , we still progressed in both competitions, hence a positve result?  :D
;D

A positive outcome. A neutral result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 11, 2014, 05:08:04 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview)

Good article. Give him a chance folks.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 11, 2014, 06:01:09 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview)

Good article. Give him a chance folks.  ;)

He has pleaded for time but ultimatley everything was based on hitting the ground running. Theres absolutley no bedding in period.

If come the next International break we are still to get a win on the board then that may be it for him. We can't afford to allow ourselves to get marooned at the bottom of the league and cut adrift.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 11, 2014, 06:08:14 PM
If the players are all for him then lets hope we see evidence on Saturday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 11, 2014, 08:18:28 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/11/alan-irvine-west-bromwich-albion-interview)

Good article. Give him a chance folks.  ;)

I think people will give him a chance if on saturday they see signs that things are starting to look better with the team, so for AI,Albion & us fans lets hope it does
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on September 12, 2014, 01:23:56 AM
Comes across as a decent football man.
Really hope that he gets a fair go.
 :).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 12, 2014, 03:46:59 AM
Decent bloke, sounds humble, which you need to be to motivate people.
Hope he can make it work, hope he has the bottle to go for it and not try to defend when we go a goal behind.

Lots of ' Hopes" there.......lets hope its more Bobby Hope than No Hope come November....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 12, 2014, 10:57:13 AM
It's fine to ask for time and yes it should be granted to some extent, but we are also entitled to see some evidence of progress, even if results do not go our way.
I hope in the next few games we see some signs of defensive stability coupled with some serious attacking intent. If that's the case then he will get my 'time' if not, I'm afraid, nice bloke or not, he should go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 12, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Comes across as a decent football man.
Really hope that he gets a fair go.
 :).

He will, if he gets things right on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on September 12, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
I can't believe this thread is still open, can't we just support Irvine and the team?  It's almost as if people are wanting him to fail!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
He might be a good coach on the training field but he cant make decisions when it counts on a match day.
Lets see how the players respond in the coming weeks if they all love him


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 12, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
I personally think too much is made of what he's done previously. Just look at Garry Monk at Swansea who didn't coach or manage anyone before taking over at Swansea and he seems to be doing a decent job so far. Then you look at someone like Magath at Fulham with his great CV yet Fulham are now in the relegation zone in The Championship.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 12, 2014, 01:40:58 PM
I'm not defending some of his choices so far but I will say whoever got the job came into a bit of a mess/ a rebuild job , what sort of a side has to sign 11 players in one Summer after 4 or more years in the Top flight?
He wasn't my choice at all but I want to see what he can do with a full squad and after 10 games or so before judging him too much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 12, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
I can't believe this thread is still open, can't we just support Irvine and the team?  It's almost as if people are wanting him to fail!

Its still open because AI has done nothing "so far" to shows us fans he's up to the job & when he does or doesn't will dictate when it closes.
No fan should want to see him fail because he fails we are down.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on September 12, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
Let's hope this game coming up we actually play some fast attacking football,  even if we lose having a real positive performance will really give us and the team a much needed boost.  I think that's the only real critisism I can have so far (although with a bare bones team hardly capable of this way of playing). I think we tend to be more negative than most fans for some reason which is a shame as we have brought some real quality  in this term and should be more excited than worried.
I do also agree Ofcourse that we can't continue not picking up wins for months on end but it's not a crisis yet peeps, let's get behind AI and the team and see where we are a little further down the line.  If we are in the poop come December then obviously it's not working but that's a long long way to go .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on September 12, 2014, 02:29:56 PM
Its still open because AI has done nothing "so far" to shows us fans he's up to the job & when he does or doesn't will dictate when it closes.
No fan should want to see him fail because he fails we are down.

Nothing so far? It's four games!!!! Give him a chance.  Hodgson had a bad start in 2011-12 and he's the God of Football from what you read on this forum!! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on September 12, 2014, 02:56:07 PM
Next few games are tricky, its a results business as JP says. Everton Spurs and Burnley ? I think. Fail to get 3 points from that then expect us to be rock bottom. He talks a good game but its time to prove it. If he selects a dour team on Saturday then I give up.  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 12, 2014, 02:59:07 PM
Have i called for his head NO
has he done anything to inspire me NO
Do i hope he succeeds Yes
Do i think he will succeed No but i hope im wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2014, 03:06:46 PM
Nothing so far? It's four games!!!! Give him a chance.  Hodgson had a bad start in 2011-12 and he's the God of Football from what you read on this forum!!


4 easyish games and no wins. Hodgson is not god by the way, hes as dour with his playing style as Irvine but a little more effective tactically
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on September 12, 2014, 03:42:46 PM

4 easyish games and no wins. Hodgson is not god by the way, hes as dour with his playing style as Irvine but a little more effective tactically
Says a lot about the other teams manager's who finished below us when Hodgson was here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on September 12, 2014, 03:47:12 PM
Where do we get this easyish games from? No game in the Prem is easyish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2014, 03:49:55 PM

4 easyish games and no wins. Hodgson is not god by the way, hes as dour with his playing style as Irvine but a little more effective tactically

We beat Oxford, unless I'm imagining that we are in the 3rd round of the capital one cup.

 Another way to look at is 4 games only 1 defeat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2014, 03:51:29 PM
We beat Oxford, unless I'm imagining that we are in the 3rd round of the capital one cup.

 Another way to look at is 4 games only 1 defeat.

We drew against Oxford. We went through on penalties.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
We beat Oxford, unless I'm imagining that we are in the 3rd round of the capital one cup.

 Another way to look at is 4 games only 1 defeat.


Hummmmm did we now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 12, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
4 easy games??!!

Drew at home to Sunderland (we should have won that I agree)

Drew away at Southampton

Lost too Swansea away

inbetween those games we drew with Oxford but progressed to the next round of the cup.

I dont see how apart from the Oxford game we can class any of those as easy.

I would say the only thing wrong with those results really was the Sunderland game where we should have won it after going ahead.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 12, 2014, 03:56:53 PM
People are a lot more cavalier than me if they think away to Southampton and Swansea are easy games. Both are very much in the bracket of a point being a good result according to me!

Sunderland we should have beat and may well have, those are the games that are very close, sometimes they go for you, sometimes not. I'm sure we'll lose a similar game at some point this season and I'm sure we'll win one too.

Oxford, his hand was forrced by losing two guys to injury and it's hardly his fault we only got the one goal in 7 shots in the first half.

I think we'll lose to Everton adn maybe to Spurs too. I've no idea if AI is the right man for the job, but I do think it's very unfair to judge him negatively on this set of circumstances to date.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 12, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
I would suggest that tomorrow, his team selection will be as much under scrutiny as the end result.

A good performance and positive team selection, might go a long way to help him even if we were to lose. (Which I think we will)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 12, 2014, 04:08:37 PM
This whole did we win or draw in the cup is annoying me so much.

 If we finished 1-1 in a cup final and won on penalties, winning the cup, would you ever hear of west brom drawing the cup final? No, you would hear about Albion winning the cup.

It's only because it was Oxford that people are choosing to pick up on it. I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the same if it was a final.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 12, 2014, 04:33:24 PM
We drew against Oxford. We went through on penalties.

Which means we won?  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
Which means we won?  ???

Football games are over 90 minutes. The result after 90 minutes was a draw. Extra time was a tie. We beat them on penalties - we qualified for the next round. Any bookie will tell you that a football games result is over 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2014, 04:48:28 PM
Lets just hope we are all singing from the same hyme sheet come 5pm tomorrow night after a stirling HOME performance
I for one would rather see us loose knowing we have given it our all trying to win a game of football in front of our own supporters than play for a must not loose
On paper we have the players to show some attacking intent , especially at home.Irvine its now over to  you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 12, 2014, 05:18:35 PM
Irvine has a mega test tomorrow, when Hodgson came from Liverpool pretty soon after leaving them we beat them at home, when Clarke came from Liverpool we beat them at home in both instances giving as good as we got, now we have Everton he should know how to beat them or at least give as good as we get.  The question is will he shine or blow out like a damp squib ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 12, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Which means we won?  ???
Anyone with an interest on that particular game knew there HAD to be a winner on the evening. We're still in the competition. Therefore, we must've won.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on September 12, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
whatever you think of AI we know have to get totally behind him and our team, make the Hawthorns electric tomorrow.
Give him all our support for ten games whatever and if there are no positive signs by then we need to have a look.
But we have to give the bloke a chance now because he is going nowhere at the moment and we can only damage our chances with a negative atmosphere, so lets give him every chance to succeed and if he doesn't its only his fault.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2014, 05:55:54 PM
Anyone with an interest on that particular game knew there HAD to be a winner on the evening. We're still in the competition. Therefore, we must've won.

We qualified - we didn't win.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on September 12, 2014, 06:20:50 PM
We qualified - we didn't win.
so according to that logic we didn't win the f a cup
in 1968 then ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 12, 2014, 06:27:25 PM
Football games are over 90 minutes. The result after 90 minutes was a draw. Extra time was a tie. We beat them on penalties - we qualified for the next round. Any bookie will tell you that a football games result is over 90 minutes.

Only for betting purposes though.

In reality if you go through to the next round its because you won the previous game

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2014, 08:41:13 PM
Jesus wept even West Bromwich Albion Football Club recognises the Oxford United home cup tie as a draw.

http://www.wba.co.uk/fixtures-results/

Alan Irvine is yet to win a game as WBA head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 12, 2014, 08:42:49 PM
Jesus wept even West Bromwich Albion Football Club recognises the Oxford United home cup tie as a draw.

http://www.wba.co.uk/fixtures-results/

Alan Irvine is yet to win a game as WBA head coach.

Its almost as if you want it that way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 12, 2014, 08:45:15 PM
Its almost as if you want it that way.

I'd like nothing more than 3 points tomorrow mate. I'm just stating facts rather than clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 12, 2014, 08:50:20 PM
I can't believe this thread is still open, can't we just support Irvine and the team?  It's almost as if people are wanting him to fail!

Head coach threads are always open, regardless of who the head coach is.

Even the Steve Clarke and Roy Hodgson threads are still available.

Its a thread to discuss Irvine and the decisions he makes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 12, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
I can't believe this thread is still open, can't we just support Irvine and the team?  It's almost as if people are wanting him to fail!

No fella......you're way off. There will undoubtedly be the pessimists among the Albion fraternity, some of whom will be 'vultures' for their own cause. But lets get this straight.....there is an overwhelming concern that our mangers' philosophy......be it based on the views of previous fans or not........is that his way leads to, un-energetic and flat defensive performances that leave fans completely uninspired - this in my view is a fair concern - after all, the football seen thus far certainly adds weight to this argument. On a (perhaps fairer) note, this team is certainly work in progress - 11 or so new faces, many of them seemingly lacking fitness. For this he will have time......and is entitled to it. During our first 3 games, the analysis of each game is certainly wide and varied - we could, and should of closed out the Sunderland game......dare I say it with a little more positivity! Southampton was a ridged and methodical display that in fairness could of gone either way.....albeit with an glaring lack of quality seen on BOTH fronts! Swansea was completely soul destroying, no endeavour, guile, passion and desire - "is this really the fruits of organisation"?!

The team (squad) unfortunately is in the 'walking wounded' corner - this is a challenge faced by managers many many times during their careers...Irvine is not special in this respect. We are however capable of fielding a strong, fit, technical and competent team....that with home support can get a result, or a least give us a performance. We are not playing 'World beaters', FFS they have conceded 10 goals in their last 3 games! If by the end of the game, and we haven't seen a performance with a clear intent to be victorious over our opponents, I for one will 'turn the screw' on the gaffer - there's simply no excuse. I'm no MENSA student, but what I can promise is......that a negative approach is another game 'slung at the wall'. It's his choice and his bed........I sincerely hope he has a 'springy mattress'! I wish Irvine all the very best and pray for his success......but in any walk of life, let's see how much of his own luck he makes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2014, 10:21:24 PM
I can't believe this thread is still open, can't we just support Irvine and the team?  It's almost as if people are wanting him to fail!

The thread is still open as this forum does not dictate how people should feel about anything or anyone and if you read the thread there are people who are very much behind Irvine just as there are some who are against and some who are undecided.

So leaving the thread open does not mean people are not supporting the team and that people are wanting him to fail which to be honest is an absurd thing to say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 12, 2014, 10:29:39 PM
Jesus wept even West Bromwich Albion Football Club recognises the Oxford United home cup tie as a draw.

http://www.wba.co.uk/fixtures-results/

Alan Irvine is yet to win a game as WBA head coach.

That's settled that one then  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on September 12, 2014, 11:05:01 PM
I've never criticised the man; I've criticised the appointment.

This forum is open to all opinions, right?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 12, 2014, 11:44:16 PM
I've never criticised the man; I've criticised the appointment.

This forum is open to all opinions, right?

In a word ...... YES !!

Summed up perfectly in the signature of VVVAlbion

.COM, allowing everyone the opportunity to have an opinion.

And he's not being sarcastic with it either (or is he ??)  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
not long now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 13, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
A tonking today and that should see him gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WoysWunderful on September 13, 2014, 03:19:15 PM
After 2 draws n 2 defeats against better opposition? :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 13, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
A tonking today and that should see him gone.

Something to hope for then.... I simply can't believe this team selection. How on Earth does he think to himself that this is a good idea?

We've brought loads of attackers and he doesn't use them at all.....

I'm changed sides, AI out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 13, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
After 2 draws n 2 defeats against better opposition? :o

It's not about losing, I thought we'd lose this, it's about effort and hope. He's aimed for 0-0 here and it's just not on. We've lost this in the 2nd min.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
i think only pulis can sort this defence out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 13, 2014, 03:48:06 PM
I'll be interested to see how many still give AI their backing if we go on to lose this. Can't keep saying 'when the new players are back' because he will still go ahead with the same line up as today anyway!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2014, 04:27:57 PM
Individual mistakes or not, Irvine's selection, tactics and incomprehensible lack of substitutions mean I want him out. I wouldn't even say I'm a particularly rash person.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 04:33:05 PM
Individual mistakes or not, Irvine's selection, tactics and incomprehensible lack of substitutions mean I want him out. I wouldn't even say I'm a particularly rash person.

The majority of our supporters never wanted him in the first place and he is doing everything to prove us right. The click of Brunt, Morrison, Olson, Downing and Kiely are still running the football side of this club!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 13, 2014, 04:39:37 PM
Need to get rid before too much damage is done. Not scored in league since opening game and only managed an own goal against Oxford whilst leaking goals in the other end. JP needs to hold his hand up and admit he's got this appointment completely wrong as performances are getting worse rather than better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 13, 2014, 04:41:33 PM
He has to be gone, and we need to get Pulis in we are defending like what we did under Tony Mowbray the man is so far out of his depth it is unreal and the selections and tactics have been very strange and poor so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on September 13, 2014, 04:42:11 PM
Nice man but hopelessly out of his depth as a coach at this level from what ive witnessed so far. Has to go....now..or we will be relegated from this division.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 13, 2014, 04:46:41 PM
Wrong man at wrong time.

Irvine has to go now to give new manager chance to put things right before that terrible run-in.

Pulis all day long for me. Doubt he'd go for our structure, but wouldn't it be great to see a team show some passion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 13, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
There is no way on this planet Pulis would come to Albion unless we change the whole structure of the club.   He wants full control and we give our 'head coach' very little.  He wouldn't accept the job even if he was offered it. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 13, 2014, 04:52:08 PM
After watching that shower im beginning to turn the other way and think he should be got rid of...that was embarrassing to watch.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: up_the_baggies on September 13, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
Generally supportive of our head coaches, but this guy should not be ours. 1 shot on target at home, after having 9 corners is an abysmal statistic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on September 13, 2014, 04:57:36 PM
After watching that shower im beginning to turn the other way and think he should be got rid of...that was embarrassing to watch.

Same.. no shots on target against an Everton team leaking goals, at home. Shocking. Players making mistakes is one thing.. but to be that negative? Its like we have no ideas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 13, 2014, 04:59:26 PM
He will not sort this out , he's not capable of it.
We will continue to get beat week by week until he is replaced.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 13, 2014, 05:01:06 PM
He will not sort this out , he's not capable of it.
We will continue to get beat week by week until he is replaced.


Spot on.  He wont be able to change it.  He is not good enough for the job.  Sooner we replace him the more chance we will have of staying up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 13, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
No to Pulis No No NO!!!

He's a horrible self serving thug. He totally fecked over Palace for his own ends and his nice at Stoke was horrible.

Would rather be relegated and I very much mean that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on September 13, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
Can't see anything other than two heavy defeats in the next two games. It doesn't look good for AI. Strange things happened in football but we would have expected at least another 3 points on board at this stage. We'll be bottom of the table with far more difficult games ahead of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 13, 2014, 05:03:29 PM
Is our only tactic to hit lofted balls into the box ?.....clueless this bloke.
Wanted to give him a chance but he doesn't give himself one , not for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 13, 2014, 05:04:38 PM
I agree Kris, I don't think Pulis would ever come to Albion. Point was a wider one, that I simply want a manager that shows some passion. Gets the fans interested and excited too.

Irvine's appointment was lamentable. His decisions as manager have been very poor. The club is sleep-walking into relegation and we're only 4 games in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 13, 2014, 05:05:40 PM
The amount of lofted balls into the box was terrible.

We have some good footballers in the squad and they are being bypassed by long balls.

I havent felt this down about Albion since the 90's, at least we had fight back then and what we lacked in ability we made up for in fight and perseverance.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 13, 2014, 05:08:20 PM
I agree Kris, I don't think Pulis would ever come to Albion. Point was a wider one, that I simply want a manager that shows some passion. Gets the fans interested and excited too.

Irvine's appointment was lamentable. His decisions as manager have been very poor. The club is sleep-walking into relegation and we're only 4 games in.

JP said that appointing Pepe Mel was a "mistake". Well, at least it was an honest mistake. But appointing Irvine, by all evidence so far and along the lines of knowledgeable commentators, was a momentous clanger by management (which worryingly has a record of clangers now ever since DA left).

I believe the club decided to chase the ghost of Roy Hodgson and got what it deserved for it's troubles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 13, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
The amount of lofted balls into the box was terrible.

We have some good footballers in the squad and they are being bypassed by long balls.

I havent felt this down about Albion since the 90's, at least we had fight back then and what we lacked in ability we made up for in fight and perseverance.

My thoughts too tom. We have the players, we dont need hoofball.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 13, 2014, 05:10:03 PM
Unless there is a sudden transformation in terms of performance and results how long do you think JP will realistically give him before the inevitable?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 05:10:42 PM
Need to get rid before too much damage is done. Not scored in league since opening game and only managed an own goal against Oxford whilst leaking goals in the other end. JP needs to hold his hand up and admit he's got this appointment completely wrong as performances are getting worse rather than better.

JP was warned by the majority of supporters on this forum that we did not want Irvine as he does not have the credentials and experience needed at this level. But did he listen NO
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 13, 2014, 05:12:36 PM
Unless there is a sudden transformation in terms of performance and results how long do you think JP will realistically give him before the inevitable?

Management will set us us for a 20-25 game season and give our direct competition a 10 game head start. Not sure how they expect us to survive that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 05:13:55 PM
I agree Kris, I don't think Pulis would ever come to Albion. Point was a wider one, that I simply want a manager that shows some passion. Gets the fans interested and excited too.

Irvine's appointment was lamentable. His decisions as manager have been very poor. The club is sleep-walking into relegation and we're only 4 games in.

We had a head coach who showed some passion and got the fans interested but the players got him out because they wouldn't or couldn't play the type of pressing attacking game he wanted to play. Those players should have gone and Pepe Mel should have stayed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
We had a head coach who showed some passion and got the fans interested but the players got him out because they wouldn't or couldn't play the type of pressing attacking game he wanted to play. Those players should have gone and Pepe Mel should have stayed.
I strongly agree. Unfathomable decision from Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gjg8183 on September 13, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
so glad did not renew my ticket after 40 years
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 13, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
I strongly agree. Unfathomable decision from Peace.

They were chasing the second coming of Roy Hodgson,. Management appointed a no imagination square coach with no real track record in the hopes he would bring solid 'practical' football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 13, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
I don't know how people could see anything less than failure with his appointment, he's come from a job that isn't results based it's development based. He's now in the real world of premier league football and he looks like a deer in headlights.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on September 13, 2014, 05:22:15 PM
With the players we have we should be at least knocking the ball round and not just lumping forward.  Where are all the new signings?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on September 13, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
With the players we have we should be at least knocking the ball round and not just lumping forward.  Where are all the new signings?

They haven't been accepted by Downing and his gang yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2014, 05:33:03 PM
What Irvine is is Jeremy Peace's one BIG MISTAKE this summer. He got everything bang on except this.

I'm joining the AI out brigade now. I was disgusted when he was appointed, and i thought i'd give him a chance but since the opening game of the season it's been everything we thought it would and i've had enough.

Go crawling back to Tim Sherwood at least he's got balls to make changes and go at teams. We'd have had more points with him on board. Even if it was one win and three losses.

We've got nothing going forward because the wrong players are being picked and mistakes at the back because the wrong players are being picked.

I'm not even disappointed today, it's the same feeling as when a best mate keeps giving a girl that's walking all over him chance after chance after chance. You just want them to find someone better. Same here.

Get somebody in with guts who will give these great attackers at the club a chance.

And if not then please to god Alan prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 13, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
We had a head coach who showed some passion and got the fans interested but the players got him out because they wouldn't or couldn't play the type of pressing attacking game he wanted to play. Those players should have gone and Pepe Mel should have stayed.

Agreed. We're down for certain unless this joker goes NOW.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 13, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Does anyone else not question that we had a choice of Tim Sherwood who had 6 months of experience with Spurs and Alan Irvine who was an Academy level manager.


Are these the only type of head coach we can attract?  Is it down to paying the money or is it down to the lack of responsibility offered with the role?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Well that was indefensible. No positives to take from that whatsoever.

Still, the players are really happy and that's the main thing.

The fans can continue to pay to watch pooh but the players are really, really happy, so nothing else matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on September 13, 2014, 05:48:59 PM
I noticed the stadium had a few empty seats too, not surprised with this kind of excitement under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 13, 2014, 05:49:25 PM
Well, beyond embarrassing. We have appointed a rubbish head coach who is seriously out of his depth. We have appointed a Director of Football who doesn't seem to have made a scrap of difference and was responsible for appointing the rubbish haed coach. We have kept our two other coaches who failed last season and aren't any better this season. We have kept our same captain who shows no leadership and is so bad he has to be substituted two matches in a row. The whole system and personnel have failed as most of us predicted. All of the above people +JP have to be held accountable, not just AI. To get rid of him and him alone wouldn't solve our problems because we need a complete overhaul.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 13, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
We're going the same way as Fulham unless something changes
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
Well, beyond embarrassing. We have appointed a rubbish head coach who is seriously out of his depth. We have appointed a Director of Football who doesn't seem to have made a scrap of difference and was responsible for appointing the rubbish haed coach. We have kept our two other coaches who failed last season and aren't any better this season. We have kept our same captain who shows no leadership and is so bad he has to be substituted two matches in a row. The whole system and personnel have failed as most of us predicted. All of the above people +JP have to be held accountable, not just AI. To get rid of him and him alone wouldn't solve our problems because we need a complete overhaul.

Yes but he's great on the training ground don't you know. As we keep getting told.

I'm not going to pay the money to come up from Cornwall and watch this. I might join the guys on the coach from the South West but a trip up with my girlfriend is out of the question!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 13, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
Importantly, Downing and Kiely must go when we get a new manager. Downing has been a constant in our decline (and clearly has no tactical awareness as displayed by his short tenure as caretaker where he made some absolutely baffling decisions), and Foster's distribution, for example, has got gradually worse under Kiely. I'd also argue the number of errors in his game has increased. It's time to shake things up in that department as I feel it's highly likely the likes of Morrison, Brunt, Olsson, etc have become far too comfortable under the current set-up. I feel the departure of Irvine will help but won't be enough on it's own. What's also worrying is the fact that Terry Burton, our newly appointed director, recommended Irvine as the outstanding candidate for the role. Clearly his judgement has to be questioned too but he won't be going anywhere any time soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 13, 2014, 06:02:55 PM
A midfield of Brunt, Morisson, Dorrans and Gardner in a game of Premier League football!! What the hell was Alan Irvine thinking playing those duffers?

I don't think Irvine realises that his primary goal was to get the fanbase on side, he seems like someone on a mission to alienate people to me.

3 points needed by the Burnley game for me or he's in for the chop.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on September 13, 2014, 06:09:06 PM
I noticed the stadium had a few empty seats too, not surprised with this kind of excitement under Irvine.

23,500 is really low considering there were 3,000 everton fans there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2014, 06:10:03 PM
He's not good enough, it's really as simple as that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 13, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
A midfield of Brunt, Morisson, Dorrans and Gardner in a game of Premier League football!! What the hell was Alan Irvine thinking playing those duffers?

I don't think Irvine realises that his primary goal was to get the fanbase on side, he seems like someone on a mission to alienate people to me.

3 points needed by the Burnley game for me or he's in for the chop.
Away to Spurs, hahaha, might as well do it now then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on September 13, 2014, 06:12:19 PM
I wasn't at the game today but had the 'pleasure' of watching us away at Swansea before the international break.

How was the atmosphere today? Are there senses of frustrations in the stands again Irvine? Is there realistically a time frame that Peace is going to put on this? I mean I think he has until Burnley at home to change the team's fortunes drastically.

A win may appease Peace but this football is absolutely horrific.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 13, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
Away to Spurs, hahaha, might as well do it now then.

Sorry I meant upon conclusion of the Burnley game  :)

Spurs is damage limitation before a ball has even been kicked as we will have no intention of winning the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 13, 2014, 06:17:58 PM
"We have to have a bit more of a cutting edge than we have at the moment.
"It has been widely said that we have brought in the most players but we have also got rid of the most as well.
"We need to win games soon."

Pretty inspirational stuff Alan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 13, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
Perhaps somebody could come on here and justify how as we speak he is still in charge of our football club, he is clueless and totally out of his depth. We were told he is a top class coach, where is the evidence that matters (on the pitch)to back up this fanciful claim >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on September 13, 2014, 06:18:16 PM
has Alan Irvine got a big garden ? so can go get on gardening leave . has to go where is the 1st win coming from ????????/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2014, 06:18:49 PM
I wasn't at the game today but had the 'pleasure' of watching us away at Swansea before the international break.

How was the atmosphere today? Are there senses of frustrations in the stands again Irvine? Is there realistically a time frame that Peace is going to put on this? I mean I think he has until Burnley at home to change the team's fortunes drastically.

A win may appease Peace but this football is absolutely horrific.

In some ways, it was a worse performance than Swansea away, as it was at home and we had no attack or creativity (our first shot on target came after 80 minutes)

The atmosphere wasn't even that bitter, mostly people moaning and being fed up (and rightly so, it was a very negative performance). Obviously there were clear booes after the game and whilst I didn't boo I can't blame them. As a positive, I'm sure Peace will have noted how bad Irvine was.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
JP get rid of this clown NOW! :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on September 13, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
The atmosphere was flat today, and with the style we played you can understand why. The players we have got are getting worse and that's down to Irvine. He works with them day in day out so he knows what they can do. I don't believe the squad is weak and has got to be the strongest we have had in a while. How players like brunt, dorrans, Morrison can be in a starting line up is beyond me. When your leaking goals like we are you have to protect the back 4 so why isn't yacob playing and where is mulumbu. Where is sess he is our most creative player. I'm worried that Irvine is alienating some of our better players because they don't fit into his style of play what ever that may be.

Unless something changes quickly it may be too late to catch up..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on September 13, 2014, 06:34:53 PM
Not reading anything into it, but i was
talking to malky MacKay  before the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on September 13, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
Irvine is keeping Everton sweet by the sounds of his post match interview no negative comments about them looking like a dead man walking put him out of his misery jp and bring someone in with a bit of passion for the club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2014, 06:37:16 PM
Is anybody feeling a little apathetic about all this?!

Those cheers when we hit the target for the first time, it's like we're not even angry anymore and have just come to accept this. Get Clarke back! Sherwood, Dave Jones! Anyone!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
Not reading anything into it, but i was
talking to malky MacKay  before the game.

About what?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
How was the atmosphere today?

It was OK until they scored their second goal.

Chants of "Irvine where's your subs" and "you don't know what your doing" were heard around me in the Smethwick. Neither of which caught on.

The frustration grew however and its understandable when players are seemingly incapable of doing the basics like passing a football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 13, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
The atmosphere was flat today, and with the style we played you can understand why. The players we have got are getting worse and that's down to Irvine. He works with them day in day out so he knows what they can do. I don't believe the squad is weak and has got to be the strongest we have had in a while. How players like brunt, dorrans, Morrison can be in a starting line up is beyond me. When your leaking goals like we are you have to protect the back 4 so why isn't yacob playing and where is mulumbu. Where is sess he is our most creative player. I'm worried that Irvine is alienating some of our better players because they don't fit into his style of play what ever that may be.

Unless something changes quickly it may be too late to catch up..
the justification for his appointment was how good a coach he is, clearly a load of PR rubbish  a sop to the fans, he has to go and go now tonight no fannying about get rid!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 13, 2014, 06:39:56 PM
Irvine has a mega test tomorrow, when Hodgson came from Liverpool pretty soon after leaving them we beat them at home, when Clarke came from Liverpool we beat them at home in both instances giving as good as we got, now we have Everton he should know how to beat them or at least give as good as we get.  The question is will he shine or blow out like a damp squib ?

I posted this up yesterday and by all accounts he failed miserably, having seen it all before and know exactly what is coming next, I just can't find the enthusiasm to enjoy the Baggies any more........60 years and thoroughly inebriated off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2014, 06:40:02 PM
He's clearly not going to go anytime soon, you can wish it all you want but he's going to be here for a good while yet.

Dreadful again today and he does seem destined to be a massive failure, but who exactly do people expect to step in? No one with a decent track record, potential, or really anything about them is going to take a job of a team that's probably going to be relegated, and gives them very little control. There's a reason in pre-season we took so long and that's because no one reputable wanted the job then, yet alone with the side bottom of the table and probably adrift by the time they come in.

The clubs biggest mistake is choosing Hodgson's style as the wanted style of play. Under Hodgson we were well drilled, strong in defence, and at our best were deadly on the counter attack - we got what we paid for with him as manager. Trying to do that on the cheap we've got a shambolic defence, who are incapable of counter attacking due because the team is so slow and poor at moving the ball.

Clearly Mel going all out attack in a 180 turn from our usual perfromance was suicidal and really didn't suit the players we had. But bringing in 11 players in pre-season was the ideal time to start changing things. Not exactly Pepe Mel's you score 5 we'll score 4 style, but at least a team that had something about it. Instead we're slow, ponderous, awful in defence, and even worse in attack. Last season our problem was we could match the top teams but for whatever reasons bottled the easier sides. This season we look awful against even moderately good sides.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on September 13, 2014, 06:41:03 PM
About what?!
football!! What i mean  about
not reading anything into it is the fact
he was there. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 13, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
I'm just hoping he doesn't take us into free fall like clipboard did for Wolves when they were last in the prem. fkin embarrassing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on September 13, 2014, 06:42:45 PM
The mess we appear to be in suggests pulis might not be such a bad shout. Depressing really
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 06:47:05 PM
The mess we appear to be in suggests pulis might not be such a bad shout. Depressing really

I've heard a lot about Pulis' style of football being awful to watch but lets be honest with ourselves, what we're currently watching is probably just as bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on September 13, 2014, 06:47:40 PM
He will not sort this out , he's not capable of it.
We will continue to get beat week by week until he is replaced.
so true that hes not capable ,he never was and never will be. pathetic appointment by peace, we need to get rid sooner rather than later before its too late. even if all the new players signed were fit he would still be negative.funny how the last manager was dismissed with players saying communicating was a problem what excuse have the likes of brunt Morrison olson and the other letdowns got this time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 06:47:58 PM
I posted this up yesterday and by all accounts he failed miserably, having seen it all before and know exactly what is coming next, I just can't find the enthusiasm to enjoy the Baggies any more........60 years and thoroughly inebriated off.


The way I feel as well!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 13, 2014, 06:54:38 PM
Downing and kiely remain a blight to our system. Irvine is utterly hopeless. Time NOW for a change; it may be too late by Christmas; I can see us struggling for double figures by then.
Come on JP wake up and smell the coffee!!!! You know something's badly wrong when Albion fans are thinking Pulis might be ok.... !!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 13, 2014, 07:06:11 PM
If Pardew lost his job at Newcastle would anyone take him should AI lose his job??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 07:06:23 PM
I am fed up about AI continually going on about well these new players haven't had a pre season, many have had two weeks training and still he doesn't play any of them until we go 2-0 down. And tell me has Morrison had a pre season!  Old brigade ruling the club again another head coach that KD and DK will see the back of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on September 13, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
We should have had a big clear out over the summer - players and coaches. We needed a new start, but instead we got lumbered with a failed league 1 manager. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 13, 2014, 07:11:38 PM
Makes too many excuses!

I know both goals have come from defensive errors, but h is to blame today for his awful selection and even worse tactics. He makes reactive changes never does anythin positive! Spends too much time looking at his watch rather than thinking now we
Could get a positive result!

3 centre midfielders and brunt was a disgrace today! Don't know Dorrans lasted the 90 mins today. They must be instructed to play with no width because even fullbacks reluctant to go forward and all players who played wide drifted inside.

How he is persisting with wisdom and Olsson il never know.

Want to give the man a chance but it's the same every game. Tactically no idea. I know he won't go yet but i want him gone ASAP as it's just getting worse
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on September 13, 2014, 07:14:52 PM
Everyone is talking about Pulis like he would take the job without a doubt! Now I'm not being funny but whos to say he would definitely take it in the first place should the job become available anytime soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 07:16:58 PM
We should have had a big clear out over the summer - players and coaches. We needed a new start, but instead we got lumbered with a failed league 1 manager.

totally agree
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 07:18:05 PM
Everyone is talking about Pulis like he would take the job without a doubt! Now I'm not being funny but whos to say he would definitely take it in the first place should the job become available anytime soon.

Pulis would want his own men in and overall control and we know that this would not happen under the current system.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Downing and kiely remain a blight to our system. Irvine is utterly hopeless. Time NOW for a change; it may be too late by Christmas; I can see us struggling for double figures by then.
Come on JP wake up and smell the coffee!!!! You know something's badly wrong when Albion fans are thinking Pulis might be ok.... !!!!

Christmas way too late, never should have been appointed. do it now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on September 13, 2014, 07:20:43 PM
Pulis would want his own men in and overall control and we know that this would not happen under the current system.

Exactly! So why is everyone talking as though he would virtually be nailed on should the job become avaliable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 13, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Should've pushed the boat out and done everything we could to get Moyes. He was the standout candidate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wimbledon baggie on September 13, 2014, 07:41:05 PM
We had a head coach who showed some passion and got the fans interested but the players got him out because they wouldn't or couldn't play the type of pressing attacking game he wanted to play. Those players should have gone and Pepe Mel should have stayed.
Bring Mel back with his own backroom staff!! Clear out Downing and Keily at least it would be interesting!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 13, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses, that's all we get from Irvine both before and after the game. Fact is he just isn't good enough, he has to go. As do Downing and Kiely.

To make no unforced changes to a side that got completely rolled over against Swansea is borderline insane. He could have literally made any change and it wouldnt have been unwarranted, instead he stuck with those who failed so miserably last game. He then dithered around on the touchline for 90 minutes today not making any changes in tactics or personnel even though we looked like we wouldn't score if we played all week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Pulis would want his own men in and overall control and we know that this would not happen under the current system.

current system aint working
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
Bring Mel back with his own backroom staff!! Clear out Downing and Keily at least it would be interesting!!

Thats what should have happened
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on September 13, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
People slate Irvine all they want, however these sort of performances have been going on for the last 18 months under 3 different coaches. Quite clear where the problem lies, at some stage we have to stop blaming the Head Coach, surely all 3 can't be always in the wrong?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 13, 2014, 08:00:13 PM
Peace is not impressed, could be gone after Tottenham
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 08:00:56 PM
current system aint working

Agree entirely but JP will not change it in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 13, 2014, 08:01:08 PM
Peace is not impressed, could be gone after Tottenham

What did he actually expect?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 08:02:44 PM
If Peace is not impressed then I would imagine he'll give Irvine till the Burnley game.

He won't risk so much disruption ahead of a must-win game surely?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on September 13, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
I'd love to know what AI would do if he had his way - would HE want Downing and Kiely out? Who would he have in?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 13, 2014, 08:04:43 PM
Peace is not impressed, could be gone after Tottenham

Where have you heard that from?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 13, 2014, 08:06:50 PM
Pulis would want his own men in and overall control and we know that this would not happen under the current system.
surely that depends upon how much JP wants to stay up ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 13, 2014, 08:06:55 PM
Club needs a complete shakeup on the coaching staff through to sections of the playing squad.

Yes we let 11 go at the end of the season blah blah but only 2 were what can be considered regulars in Jones and Ridgewell, the others including Gera, Reid, Lugano were all bit part so even bringing in 11 as we have we have just replaced the numbers. Time for Irvine to get those into the starting xi and finding a way to get them to gel. Forget whether someone has been a good servant and what they have done in the past, its the here and now that counts.

I worry that Irvine is out of his depth, he may be a great coach and the players may love him but that counts for nothing when you are not winning games. Sammy Lee and Rene Meulenstein are reportedly great coaches but neither were capable of making the step up to the job of sole responsiblity.

Tottenham I expect nothing but the Burnley game is a big big game for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 13, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
I echo others thoughts. Didn't want Irvine and didn't think he would be capable and so far he has done nothing to disprove the doubters.

And if he says any players still aren't fit next week then he should be sacked because we are a month into the season and that would clearly indicate that they aren't receiving the correct training. Even i'm ready to play 90 minutes under Irvine's system and i've been tucking into half-time pies every bloody match!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on September 13, 2014, 08:24:27 PM
one excuses after another from the coach. A clueless display no cutting edge upfront no drive from the midfield and defenders clueless but on a brighter note according to the coach they are great on the training pitch. Lets face it we are heading into the championship with this negative coach in charge he is totally out of his depth clueless in every department. I have never been so depressed after leaving a game until he has gone i will go and watch my local club Evesham united play it will be more enjoyable i hope
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 13, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
No fella......you're way off. There will undoubtedly be the pessimists among the Albion fraternity, some of whom will be 'vultures' for their own cause. But lets get this straight.....there is an overwhelming concern that our mangers' philosophy......be it based on the views of previous fans or not........is that his way leads to, un-energetic and flat defensive performances that leave fans completely uninspired - this in my view is a fair concern - after all, the football seen thus far certainly adds weight to this argument. On a (perhaps fairer) note, this team is certainly work in progress - 11 or so new faces, many of them seemingly lacking fitness. For this he will have time......and is entitled to it. During our first 3 games, the analysis of each game is certainly wide and varied - we could, and should of closed out the Sunderland game......dare I say it with a little more positivity! Southampton was a ridged and methodical display that in fairness could of gone either way.....albeit with an glaring lack of quality seen on BOTH fronts! Swansea was completely soul destroying, no endeavour, guile, passion and desire - "is this really the fruits of organisation"?!

The team (squad) unfortunately is in the 'walking wounded' corner - this is a challenge faced by managers many many times during their careers...Irvine is not special in this respect. We are however capable of fielding a strong, fit, technical and competent team....that with home support can get a result, or a least give us a performance. We are not playing 'World beaters', FFS they have conceded 10 goals in their last 3 games! If by the end of the game, and we haven't seen a performance with a clear intent to be victorious over our opponents, I for one will 'turn the screw' on the gaffer - there's simply no excuse. I'm no MENSA student, but what I can promise is......that a negative approach is another game 'slung at the wall'. It's his choice and his bed........I sincerely hope he has a 'springy mattress'! I wish Irvine all the very best and pray for his success......but in any walk of life, let's see how much of his own luck he makes.

I posted this yesterday - not really that far away was I? Clarke was nowhere near this predictable !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2014, 08:32:44 PM
I posted this yesterday - not really that far away was I? Clarke was nowhere near this predictable !
Agree. Clarke at his worst was still more organised defensively, whilst as poor Mel could be at times, he was also very competitive and had a good home record.

Alan Irvine is just a terrible manager, it's that simple. The club can still act accordingly if they sack him immediately.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 08:36:13 PM

Tottenham I expect nothing but the Burnley game is a big big game for us.

I think burnley will hammer us, having watched them play a couple of times, far more organised and know what they are doing. that will be it for AI i think, he'll be gone then, if not JP wants us to go down
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 13, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
Agree. Clarke at his worst was still more organised defensively, whilst as poor Mel could be at times, he was also very competitive and had a good home record.

Alan Irvine is just a terrible manager, it's that simple. The club can still act accordingly if they sack him immediately.


He needs to go NOW and Keily and Downing need to go with him. Bring in a new, fresh coaching team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
If Peace is not impressed then I would imagine he'll give Irvine till the Burnley game.



no one's impressed and 30k people told him when he signed this half wit
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 13, 2014, 08:58:04 PM
Any sensible fan knew what was going to happen so it is no shock. I have a Sheff Wed supporting friend who told me how he played hoofball with no wingers and it is true. If he couldn't get results in Championship/League 1 he was never going to get them in the Prem. He was appointed because he was good at interview and has a good reputation in the game as a coach but that does not make him a Prem manager. We are already at a disadvantage to most Prem clubs who can spend millions so the only way to bridge the gap is to bring the right manager in who can either organise a team or get them playing above their level. Irvine is not the man. I would not normally agree with giving a manager such a short run because they do need time to put a team together. However there are no reasons to think he can put a decent team together. If they give him 10 games I believe we will be stuck with 4 points possibly needing another 36 from 28 games which would be a major task for a new manager. Therefore if the results and performances are the same in the next 2 games I can see JP acting. It is such a shame because I believe so many of the decisions made in the close season were quite good (although 10 million for Ideye is looking a lot of money.) I had major concerns when AI was appointed. I had major concerns in pre season when he commented that we would not be coming up against quality teams every week. I have major concerns now the season has started and the performances have been dire. I am very upset that this managerial decision could undo all the good work that has been done at this club recently. I believe that this club has been run brilliantly and punched above its weight more than almost any other club in the country. 15 years ago I never dreamt we would get back to the top. I certainly never thought we would have 5 successive seasons in the top flight. I don't want it to end. Sorry to waffle on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
I am normally a fairly up beat poster, but this debacle has to end soon, when a manager/coach, blames defeat week after week on the odd mistake, (and yes Olsson has been responsible for most of them), then you have to look at the reaction to those mistakes, during the game and before the next match, there has been NO reaction, not from Irvine or the players, we are sleep walking to relegation.

Irvine may be a very good coach, but his in match analysis is woeful, his dynamic decision making atrocious, his credibility is almost zero.

My only hope is that the Scots vote for independence and as a result Irvine requires a work permit which is refused, its a long shot I know, but so is an Irvine win before he is sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
I can see that along with myself,many of the more positive posters, or "happy clappers" are now sitting in the negative camp and have also had enough of this debacle. I wanted him to prove us doubters wrong and I feel sorry for the man but I just can't see him turning it around.

Does anybody think a poor team, poor performance and a thrashing at Tottenham next week would be "for the greater good?" As in if its so bad he could get the boot next week? The sooner the better if its going to happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
we've had a shocker and we told them so. but we are just fans, we not only watch the Albion but all the other games too, god knows what bubble jp is in.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
I can see that along with myself,many of the more positive posters, or "happy clappers" are now sitting in the negative camp and have also had enough of this debacle. I wanted him to prove us doubters wrong and I feel sorry for the man but I just can't see him turning it around.

Does anybody think a poor team, poor performance and a thrashing at Tottenham next week would be "for the greater good?" As in if its so bad he could get the boot next week? The sooner the better if its going to happen.

I've said in the pre-match thread I'm almost, and I only mean almost hoping for an embarrassing defeat to send him packing, a six or seven.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
The worrying problem for me is that after our dismal effort at Swansea I expected a much better response today from an Albion side itching to put the record straight and prove a point. Unfortunately it didn't happen and if anything we looked just as bad as we did against Swansea
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 13, 2014, 09:16:06 PM
I can see that along with myself,many of the more positive posters, or "happy clappers" are now sitting in the negative camp and have also had enough of this debacle. I wanted him to prove us doubters wrong and I feel sorry for the man but I just can't see him turning it around.

Does anybody think a poor team, poor performance and a thrashing at Tottenham next week would be "for the greater good?" As in if its so bad he could get the boot next week? The sooner the better if its going to happen.

some heated discussions on here with some positive posters, but that's bygones now as we only have the club and prem survival in mind. I think getting beat by Burnley will do it. If he doesn't go this week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 13, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
Somebody said earlier that the Burnley game is big for us. I think that says - with all due respect to Burnley and their fans - how very far we've fallen. Come in JP get a grip on this.
Anyone saying no one will take the job only has to look at where we were when Hodgson took the job. There is someone out there... Just might require a bit more than a box of fivers and the swivel chair to take home at weekends.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on September 13, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
His press interviews are frankly just full of absolute drivel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2014, 09:20:14 PM
His press interviews are frankly just full of absolute drivel

Don't tell me: "We'll continue to work hard on the training field." ??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Don't tell me: "We'll continue to work hard on the training field." ??

His interviews are as bad as his football, it's so predictable.

Before the game it's: "(Insert opposing team name here) are a great team, they have great quality and can harm us, we have to be careful of their ability"

After the game it's: "We trained well during the week, we had a moment of bad luck and will have to try harder next game. Some of the players were not available"

Rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
Well to be fair, those are just standard interview sound bites. Basically every manager says them. Not much different to what Mel was saying in his either when we had some particularly awful performances and results. People lapped that up though because he praised the supporters.

He's got a lot wrong these games but the players probably deserve even more criticism, two games in a row we've conceded thanks to 2 of our most senior pro's - Brunt and Olsson, passing the ball from inside their own box directly to the opposition. That's just unaccountably bad play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 13, 2014, 09:33:55 PM
I hate to say it, but he's out of his depth.

As a Premier league team, you're looking for more in the way of tactics than just 'keep pressing them'. What should we be doing to hurt them when we have the ball? Why are Berahino and Ideye stuck up there with no support? Why are the substitutions always late, and the wrong ones?

We can see it on the terraces, why can nobody else?

But hey, at least the players are enjoying their training.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
Well to be fair, those are just standard interview sound bites. Basically every manager says them. Not much different to what Mel was saying in his either when we had some particularly awful performances and results. People lapped that up though because he praised the supporters.

He's got a lot wrong these games but the players probably deserve even more criticism, two games in a row we've conceded thanks to 2 of our most senior pro's - Brunt and Olsson, passing the ball from inside their own box directly to the opposition. That's just unaccountably bad play.

When you only have 3 shots on target in 180 minutes of football, its irrelevant, you will lose anyway!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Regis no 1 on September 13, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
Hope when I get up in the morning sky sports headline will be Alan Irvine Sacked after 5 games .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 13, 2014, 09:48:43 PM
Well to be fair, those are just standard interview sound bites. Basically every manager says them. Not much different to what Mel was saying in his either when we had some particularly awful performances and results. People lapped that up though because he praised the supporters.

He's got a lot wrong these games but the players probably deserve even more criticism, two games in a row we've conceded thanks to 2 of our most senior pro's - Brunt and Olsson, passing the ball from inside their own box directly to the opposition. That's just unaccountably bad play.

Our senior pro's are just going through the motions. Says it all. We have a case of Prem Succeediitis ie a core of players getting on in years and losing hunger and drive. We see it most years when an pretty established PL teams suddenly drops like a rock (Newcastle, Fulham eg).

The senior players have to on the same page as the coach/manager but to me, and I reacted to this already in the Swansea game, they look like players who simply aren't fully present. I believe they have taken a look at what they see around them and simply in their heart of hearts think we are not going to make it this year.

It's the job of the head coach to ensure this does not happen. But Irvine is simply completely out of his league. We will keep seeing inept performances and inept teams on the pitch until he is gone. Irvine has done nothing whatsoever since he came to give even a glimmer of hope he can shape a winning team and kick the players out of the lethargy that has plagued us since the Clarke days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on September 13, 2014, 09:49:03 PM
I wonder if the official site will publish any more articles from the players highlighting the genius of Irvine. The flow of propaganda from the club since Irvine was appointed has been hilarious.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 13, 2014, 09:50:23 PM
Every time I see him I have a flashback to Brian Little.  The man is dour and out of his depth and the football is just as bad.

I'll be chuffed if he's gone tonight and chalk it off as a bad mistake but I think he'll be given til after the Burnley game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 13, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
I wonder if the official site will publish any more articles from the players highlighting the genius of Irvine. The flow of propaganda from the club since Irvine was appointed has been hilarious.


Do we have Martin Swain to thank for this?  I have noticed its gone up a notch since he was appointed director of communications or whatever his title is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 13, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
Every time I see him I have a flashback to Brian Little.  The man is dour and out of his depth and the football is just as bad.

I'll be chuffed if he's gone tonight and chalk it off as a bad mistake but I think he'll be given til after the Burnley game.

Yes! Agree 100%

I compared him to Brian Little during the game today. We knew it wasn't working from day one, but it just kept going and getting worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 13, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
Well to be fair, those are just standard interview sound bites. Basically every manager says them. Not much different to what Mel was saying in his either when we had some particularly awful performances and results. People lapped that up though because he praised the supporters.

He's got a lot wrong these games but the players probably deserve even more criticism, two games in a row we've conceded thanks to 2 of our most senior pro's - Brunt and Olsson, passing the ball from inside their own box directly to the opposition. That's just unaccountably bad play.
regardless of mistakes we still ended up with nil in both games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 13, 2014, 09:53:34 PM
Let's look at the background again:

1) Peace gets rid of a head coach who, if this forum and others where polls took place are anything to go by, the majority of fans wanted to stay on this season.

2) A new head coach is appointed who you'd be hard pushed to find anyone at all who wanted him to be appointed.

3) The way the fixtures fell meant that we needed to hit the ground running at the start of the season.

Based on the above, there was never going to be a honeymoon period. 6 games in and we've scored 3 times (1 of which was an own goal) and have 2 points to show for it, plus a penalties win, over a side that was bottom of League 2 at the time, that could easily have gone the other way.

Therefore, the reactions here, and what is a festering atmosphere at the ground, come as no surprise. In these circumstances, it was vital that Irvine did something to try to win the fans over, but he has made no attempt to do this and has just adopted a fearful approach which has made him reluctant to play our most creative players, whilst the remaining old guard, who have presided over an increasingly horrible run of what must now be something like 12 wins in our last 75 games, still hold sway.

"He's a great coach....": as I've said previously, this has to manifest itself in some way, otherwise what does it matter? What's actually getting better under his tenure, as a result of him being such a great coach? Where's the evidence of it?

Peace would be very brave to pull the trigger so soon, as it would be an admittance of a massive failure on his part which, as he would see it, would be the second failure in a row. However, I'm fearful that, if Irvine was sacked, we would just end up with Downing and Kiely until the end of the season.

Ultimately, something has to change, because the approach we're currently taking in matches is not working and we must do something different. If Irvine won't do it, then let's have a big clear out on the coaching side and let someone else have a go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 13, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
"He's a great coach...." is basically a platitude people roll out when they want to say something positive about Irvine (in this example) but simply don't have anything else to say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on September 13, 2014, 09:57:39 PM
Let's look at the background again:

1) Peace gets rid of a head coach who, if this forum and others where polls took place, the majority of fans wanted to stay on this season.

2) A new head coach is appointed who you'd be hard pushed to find anyone at all who wanted him to be appointed.

3) The way the fixtures fell meant that we needed to hit the ground running at the start of the season.

Based on the above, there was never going to be a honeymoon period. 6 games in and we've scored 3 times (1 of which was an own goal) and have 2 points to show for it, plus a penalties win, over a side that was bottom of League 2 at the time, that could easily have gone the other way.

Therefore, the reactions here, and what is a festering atmosphere at the ground, come as no surprise. In these circumstances, it was vital that Irvine did something to try to win the fans over, but he has made no attempt to do this and has just adopted a fearful approach which has made him reluctant to play our most creative players, whilst the remaining old guard, who have presided over an increasingly horrible run of what must now be something like 12 wins in our last 75 games, still hold sway.

"He's a great coach....": as I've said previously, this has to manifest itself in some way, otherwise what does it matter? What's actually getting better under his tenure, as a result of him being such a great coach? Where's the evidence of it?

Peace would be very brave to pull the trigger so soon, as it would be an admittance of a massive failure on his part which, as he would see it, would be the second failure in a row. However, I'm fearful that, if Irvine was sacked, we would just end up with Downing and Kiely until the end of the season.

Ultimately, something has to change, because the approach we're currently taking in matches is not working and we must do something different. If Irvine won't do it, then let's have a big clear out on the coaching side and let someone else have a go.

spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigDave on September 13, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
We needed a clear out of all coaching staff etc in the summer. They went with a weak appointment

I don't blame Alan, he's well out his depth and doing his best, and tbf some individual errors are not his fault.

But in the 4 matches so far, we've been 1-0 down within the first 10 minutes three times, and within 2 minutes twice.

But irrespective of that whoever booed at half time is a complete clown, support the team
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 13, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
I guess I was just trying to find some solace earlier following our defeat. Fact is, we need a motivator who can get our team going and quick because we are so much better than the tripe we've had to endure for too long. I guess the opinions are justified, just pray something will give soon and we will see a good competitive performance next week, the burnley game frankly scares me. Lose that and i think we might be gathering the pepsi and 7up before too long....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 10:01:16 PM
"He's a great coach...." is basically a platitude people roll out when they want to say something positive about Irvine (in this example) but simply don't have anything else to say.

Everybody within the game is highly rated.

Can you think of anyone that has came out and slammed anybody as a poor coach?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigDave on September 13, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
Lose to spurs and don't beat burnley then unfortunately we have no option. We can't wait 15 games and then act. I just hope JP isn't too proud if it gets to that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 10:08:47 PM
Lose to spurs and don't beat burnley then unfortunately we have no option. We can't wait 15 games and then act. I just hope JP isn't too proud if it gets to that

Its money, he will act, don't worry!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 13, 2014, 10:10:18 PM
I have seen nothing yet that justifies his appointment.Tactically he appears out of his depth with outdated gameplans, he appears unable to motivate the players or the supporters in short where is the justification for his getting the job, doesnt look to me like the other 91 clubs were wrong   >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 13, 2014, 10:13:17 PM
Lose to spurs and don't beat burnley then unfortunately we have no option. We can't wait 15 games and then act. I just hope JP isn't too proud if it gets to that

I sincerely hope Peace doesnt even wait to see how we do against Burnely with Irvine in charge, because (for some reason) my money would be on a negative performance and result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigDave on September 13, 2014, 10:14:44 PM
As I say, I don't blame irvine, I blame Peace. He's got us in this mess, he needs to get us out of it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 13, 2014, 10:18:19 PM
If/ when they sack him, the silver linings for me would be for them to know who they want to replace him, and to get the new bloke in within days of AI leaving.

The way the last two appointments have been conducted I'm not hopeful of that happening.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 13, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
If/ when they sack him, the silver linings for me would be for them to know who they want to replace him, and to get the new bloke in within days of AI leaving.

The way the last two appointments have been conducted I'm not hopeful of that happening.


It's because we have to find someone who will work with Keily and Downing. Most head coaches / managers like to work with their own people who they know, who they trust, who are on the same wavelength.

Keily and Downing need to be shown the door as well as Irvine and it needs to happen soon before we find ourselves in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 13, 2014, 10:26:46 PM
It's downing IMO, we'd be managerless for 2 weeks if we sacked him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 13, 2014, 10:32:08 PM

It's because we have to find someone who will work with Keily and Downing. Most head coaches / managers like to work with their own people who they know, who they trust, who are on the same wavelength.

Keily and Downing need to be shown the door as well as Irvine and it needs to happen soon before we find ourselves in serious trouble.

You have a point.

Could it also be because when all's said and done, JP and Co don't really have a plan?



 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 13, 2014, 10:33:21 PM
Like I've stated before, we finished 17th last season and have been in poor form for around 18 months now and have signed 11 new players who the majority aren't match fit yet. To expect Irvine to fix this team in four games is simply not going to happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on September 13, 2014, 10:34:05 PM

It's because we have to find someone who will work with Keily and Downing. Most head coaches / managers like to work with their own people who they know, who they trust, who are on the same wavelength.

Keily and Downing need to be shown the door as well as Irvine and it needs to happen soon before we find ourselves in serious trouble.

That post is spot on.

We can see it, so why can't the people that matter see it and act on it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 13, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
You have a point.

Could it also be because when all's said and done, JP and Co don't really have a plan?


Their plan is to just change the head coach and keep the continuity. I think the plan is flawed though. Look what happened to Pepe Mel when he wanted to change the way we played, The player and other coaches pretty much united against him. That cannot be healthy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 13, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
Like I've stated before, we finished 17th last season and have been in poor form for around 18 months now and have signed 11 new players who the majority aren't match fit yet. To expect Irvine to fix this team in four games is simply not going to happen.

Burnley will be his eighth and final game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on September 13, 2014, 10:35:33 PM

It's because we have to find someone who will work with Keily and Downing. Most head coaches / managers like to work with their own people who they know, who they trust, who are on the same wavelength.

Keily and Downing need to be shown the door as well as Irvine and it needs to happen soon before we find ourselves in serious trouble.
.    At last someone's woke up and smelt the coffee
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 13, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
How true this has proven to be.

http://www.owlsonline.com/?page=forum&thread_id=31482&selpage=15&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC

Makes even worse reading now.

Paralysis by analysis anyone?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 13, 2014, 10:36:10 PM
Burnley will be his eighth and final game.

Peace was only praising him last week, he won't get rid any time soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 13, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
Peace was only praising him last week, he won't get rid any time soon.


To be fair what do you want him to say? He's not going to say "he's pooh" is he?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on September 13, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
How true this has proven to be.

http://www.owlsonline.com/?page=forum&thread_id=31482&selpage=15&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC

Makes even worse reading now.

Paralysis by analysis anyone?

Reading that now, they were bang on!  ???

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 13, 2014, 10:44:18 PM
Is Alan Irvine a Terry Burton appointment too? Was certainly signing his praises.

I think this continental set up was built around DA and without him we need to go back to the classic model. It ain't working.

I don't get this 'we need a good coach, not manager' - bull$h1t.

Coaches don't pick teams, chose tactics, make substitutions and take actions that influence games. Managers do.

Coaches work on the training ground. Points are won on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 10:45:19 PM
How true this has proven to be.

http://www.owlsonline.com/?page=forum&thread_id=31482&selpage=15&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC

Makes even worse reading now.

There was similar comments posted on their other forum Owlstalk which I visit.

Infact, my Wednesday friends felt so sorry for me that they shall be buying me a pint on Tuesday.

Surely to god so many people from several different clubs saying exactly the same things should ring home by now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 13, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
I don't see us winning the next two games. Therefore I expect him to be relieved of his duties for the international break.

I hope for the love of all that is holy, that Keith Downing and Deano go too. Complete clear out.

I've said elsewhere this evening, a manager with a bit of passion wouldn't go a miss. That's why so many fans took to Pepe imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 13, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
Is Alan Irvine a Terry Burton appointment too? Was certainly signing his praises.

I think this continental set up was built around DA and without him we need to go back to the classic model. It ain't working.

I don't get this 'we need a good coach, not manager' - bull$h1t.

Coaches don't pick teams, chose tactics, make substitutions and take actions that influence games. Managers do.

Coaches work on the training ground. Points are won on the pitch.
Completely agree. We won't attract anyone decent without allowing them to bring in their own people. Sherwood wouldn't do it. Moyes wouldn't do it. Pepe Mel tried to compromise and reach a middle ground, but got ganged up on. We have tried the DOF/Continuity experiment and it hasn't worked. Time for a clear out and a return to a more traditional model.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 13, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
Like I've stated before, we finished 17th last season and have been in poor form for around 18 months now and have signed 11 new players who the majority aren't match fit yet. To expect Irvine to fix this team in four games is simply not going to happen.

I understand that, but it still doesn't excuse his formations/tactics/philosophy. The new manager this season was never going to be a miracle worker, but it still doesn't excuse or justify how bad he's been this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on September 13, 2014, 11:50:59 PM
I'd go as far as saying that AI is the worst appointment we could possibly have gone for. As names were being mentioned at the time, I remember thinking "I hope we don't get him..." and then out of no where, this clown pops up. And on a 12 month contract too - if that isn't saying "you only have ten games to impress" then I don't know what is.

Awful awful awful appointment. Needs to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 13, 2014, 11:57:52 PM
I understand that, but it still doesn't excuse his formations/tactics/philosophy. The new manager this season was never going to be a miracle worker, but it still doesn't excuse or justify how bad he's been this season.

Would agree. It's almost coaching by numbers. For example corners lumped in for Olsen and Dawson (apparently according to the commentator yesterday Olsen hasn't scored from a corner at home for four years) players taking shots from 30 40 yards out eg Gardners effort yesterday and Dorrans previously, keep possession even if it has to go backwards and our centre halfs try and pick a run upfront which often goes out for a goal kick. I am no expert in football coaching but after watching every game this season I have not seen anything to make me think he has made a difference on the training ground.

As for his subs I held back criticism after the Sunderland game to give him a chance but subs far to late on again yesterday and as for Brunt can this bloke not see what a large amount of fans see, his performances have been poor.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 14, 2014, 12:02:53 AM
Makes me laugh when some kind of defend Irvine by stating that bedding in new players takes time when hardly any of them have yet to start a game. yesterday the 2 full-backs were forced due to departures last season and Bobby probably was only called up because sick note Anichebe was out again.

I am a bit skeptical about the match fitness excuse. It seems that Irvine is afraid to change things much and the rumours of Downing and other untouchables won't go away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on September 14, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
Like I've stated before, we finished 17th last season and have been in poor form for around 18 months now and have signed 11 new players who the majority aren't match fit yet. To expect Irvine to fix this team in four games is simply not going to happen.

I repeat 'fiddling while Rome burns' How long do we wait till everyone is fit,meanwhile we become marooned, drifting relentlessly towards the Championship.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 14, 2014, 12:05:04 AM
Of course he isn't being sacked, the players and chairman and coaching staff are happy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on September 14, 2014, 12:16:46 AM
Makes me laugh when some kind of defend Irvine by stating that bedding in new players takes time when hardly any of them have yet to start a game. yesterday the 2 full-backs were forced due to departures last season and Bobby probably was only called up because sick note Anichebe was out again.

I am a bit skeptical about the match fitness excuse. It seems that Irvine is afraid to change things much and the rumours of Downing and other untouchables won't go away.

I don't get this 'they aren't match fit' argument, every other team has signed players who have played in the World Cup yet they can still play at the moment and I doubt half of them had a full pre season, and how exactly do players get 'match fit' if they aren't even playing matches?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 14, 2014, 01:09:48 AM
I was watching AI for a few minutes whilst the pigeons had flew to the other stand,he was just standing there arms folded,almost statuesque,anyway something in the dugout caught my eye,bit of activity and then someone got up and went over to AI,he listened nodded his head and then the 1st sub got brought on.
Who the feck is in charge on match day ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on September 14, 2014, 01:40:25 AM
 :o please get Pulis in to manage the team with tactics etc
Leave Irvine as a coach.
Get rid of the deadwood in the coaching department who have been there 5 years too long.
Games are running out as we speak.
What a mess we are in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 14, 2014, 06:13:21 AM
Look at the bench from yesterday, there's 5 defensive players including the GK. Add that to a shockingly defensive team selection and you can see why fans are frustrated. Alan irvine is a joke of a manager/head coach. Awful appointment. Absolutely farcical. Will be gone very soon, he had a chance to throw in gamboa, blanco and lescott yesterday and bottles upsetting some of the bigger players. We'll be down this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2014, 08:26:12 AM
I think it's becoming more apparent by the day that we are heading in the direction Wolves did and it took two relegations before the powers realised that they had to get rid of the deadwood coaches and players.

We had an ideal opportunity this summer to do it and what has happened has been a colossal ef up.

Pulis isn't everyones choice and he wouldn't get on with JP, but at the end of the day he would sort the defence out and instil some passion.

Lets face it the 'everyone is happy in training' club is not working, it's too soft and it's too easy for them. We have players guaranteed a place in the team whether they deserve it or not and it's been like that for 18 months+, their egos have well and truly massaged.

The head coach system and the club structure worked when we had DA involved, he had the vision and he made it work, since his departure the club have been aimless and clueless as we didn't recruit properly to replace him. That's where this downward spiral started.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on September 14, 2014, 08:27:02 AM
Its going to be a race to see who has a new manager first...us or Newcastle..but i expect them to appoint Moyes soon and us to wait until another Championship manager is available and happy to work with The dynamic duo Downing and Kiely
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 14, 2014, 09:04:28 AM
Not wishing to be other clubs, but when you see similar sized clubs like Southampton and Swansea GET IT SO RIGHT, why the hell do we get it so wrong?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 14, 2014, 09:35:32 AM
Not wishing to be other clubs, but when you see similar sized clubs like Southampton and Swansea GET IT SO RIGHT, why the hell do we get it so wrong?
Southampton have had a good couple of seasons but don't forget they were in League 1 recently. They have also had owners with some financial clout. Swansea have definitely got it right - they spend their TV money well and recruit good managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
I like to give anybody a chance but I just can't see this getting any better under AI, I just get the feeling things are far to soft behind the scenes.
I haven't seen us play with a bit of fight yet, shocking and as i said at the time Pre season performances and results are an indication of the season ahead.
There is nothing to give me hope this will get better....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 14, 2014, 09:47:45 AM
Have any of you seen how Brendan Rodgers is with his players, he whips them in shape, sterling was hobby once and Rodgers basically said I'll **** your career up unless you grow up, and he said to ballotelli last week, I need you to mark on corners, and mario said sorry I don't mark, and Rodgers said, we'll you do know and guess what? He did,


What we need is a no nonsense manager like this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on September 14, 2014, 09:53:03 AM
I would be very surprised if JP pulls the trigger before the Burnley game however if Baggie96 is correct and JP isn't happy, I hope that when the inevitable happens a replacement is swift to give us a fighting chance of staying up.

However, I am not convinced that a change of Manger or Head Coach is going to provide the magic turn around we are all hoping for or expecting. As other posters have already said, this situation has been ongoing for at least 18 months with 3 different guys in charge.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 14, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
I would be very surprised if JP pulls the trigger before the Burnley game however if Baggie96 is correct and JP isn't happy, I hope that when the inevitable happens a replacement is swift to give us a fighting chance of staying up.

However, I am not convinced that a change of Manger or Head Coach is going to provide the magic turn around we are all hoping for or expecting. As other posters have already said, this situation has been ongoing for at least 18 months with 3 different guys in charge.

I agree, but downing and AI make a terrible team!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2014, 09:57:36 AM
We need a Megson kick up the backside type. If the players don't like it then they can go and play with the kids. Oh the days of when Marshall, Wallwork and even the great Super Bob were banished are needed back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
We all feared yesterday that he wouldn't make the changes needed to turn the poor start around and the only changed were a player coming in from injury and one out from injury. I think that speaks volumes. GMac at the very least needed to come in at the back. All the talk in the week was of Lescott being fit again and he wasn't even in the 18.

Time is running out for Irvine and next week we need big changes; Gamboa, GMac, Lescott, Blanco, Sess and one of Varela/Samaras all need to start. Out with Wisdom, Dawson, Olsson, Dorrans, Brunt, Morrisson.

Then there's Mulumbu who needs to come in too so that's 7 changes! Can't see it happening!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
Just get rid, he's rubbish. End of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 14, 2014, 10:07:25 AM
Surely Peace has already instructed his 'brigade' to make 'off the record' inquiries as to whether Pulis would be interested or not?! I'm passed caring about how 'sexy' our football is.......I just want it to be effective! He's never been relegated, and by getting him in early and clearing out the seemingly festering back room staff, we have a great chance of being successful. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 10:13:50 AM
Surely Peace has already instructed his 'brigade' to make 'off the record' inquiries as to whether Pulis would be interested or not?! I'm passed caring about how 'sexy' our football is.......I just want it to be effective! He's never been relegated, and by getting him in early and clearing out the seemingly festering back room staff, we have a great chance of being successful.
Irvine makes Pulis look like Guardiola.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 14, 2014, 10:21:43 AM
Irvine makes Pulis look like Guardiola.

Lol, IMO from what I've seen thus far.....there isn't a manager on the Planet that could make Irvine look like Guardiola.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 14, 2014, 10:22:49 AM
I would be very surprised if JP pulls the trigger before the Burnley game however if Baggie96 is correct and JP isn't happy, I hope that when the inevitable happens a replacement is swift to give us a fighting chance of staying up.

However, I am not convinced that a change of Manger or Head Coach is going to provide the magic turn around we are all hoping for or expecting. As other posters have already said, this situation has been ongoing for at least 18 months with 3 different guys in charge.
Yes it has been going on for 18 months but we have had 3 managers with no previous Prem experience. It doesn't mean that the situation can't be sorted by appointing a good experienced manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
People say his (Pulis) football is not attractive but they were ok to watch last year and rolled us over twice whilst looking entertaining in the game at Selhurst Park.

I'd rather have Jol.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 14, 2014, 10:26:06 AM
Irvine makes Pulis look like Guardiola.
Pulis played a particular style to keep Stoke up. He did then try to move things on. Also at Palace there were signs of more football. I don't think he will always play the extreme long ball stuff he began with at Stoke. What he will always do is sort the defence out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 14, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
People say his (Pulis) football is not attractive but they were ok to watch last year and rolled us over twice whilst looking entertaining in the game at Selhurst Park.

I'd rather have Jol.

Jol!!!!? He's ****
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2014, 10:27:18 AM
If Jol hadn't played for us I don't think anyone would want him purely based on his reign at Fulham. But he did well at Spurs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Jol!!!!? He's ****

That's just completely wrong. Yes he was bad in the end at Fulham, I've no idea what may have gone on there. His record EVERYWHERE else is very good. Good enough for us that's for sure!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 14, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Jeremy, clear them all out, lock stock and barrel and go and get Pulis...or we are finished....and once we go down this time , there aint no easy way back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on September 14, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
I'd definitely choose Jol over Pullis. I foresee a fans poll soon!! :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 14, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
Irvine surely has to go sooner rather than later if we are to have any hope of avoiding relegation. As for the other names being mentioned, I'm sure they would all do a better job, and equally sure that none of them would even consider working within our current set up with a DOF and 2 coaches that it is a pre-condition of any job offer that they stay.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 10:43:19 AM
He was given a difficult situation with so many new players but he doesn't inspire any confidence does he? Playing devils advocate I'd argue that almost every fan would have at least 5 changes to the one that started against Everton and so too would Irvine most likely. Gamboa, Blanco, Sessegnon, Lescott, G-Mac, Varela, Mulumbu and maybe even Anichebe is some people's views would all be included as 'first teamers'.

That many players would surely make a huge difference. What gets peoples backs up is why aren't they involved? And when will they be involved? Surely is has to be soon. Our team against Burnley is more likely to closer to Irvine's team, so no excuses for that game and it's a good job because that has already become a massive game. People calling for him to go are wasting their time he'll be here a while yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 14, 2014, 11:25:38 AM
Devils Advocat - How about this as a compromise

Downing & Kiely and anybody else in their 'gang' got rid of or as said elsewhere gardening leave or put out to grass with the kids (poor beggars - kids that is!).
Irvine kept as coach - as everybody keeps saying he is 'good' and everybody's happy on the training pitch!
Get an experienced guy in as MANAGER to kick some ass & run the show their way! Pulis/anybody's got to be better than what we're putting up with!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 14, 2014, 11:43:46 AM
Devils Advocat - How about this as a compromise

Downing & Kiely and anybody else in their 'gang' got rid of or as said elsewhere gardening leave or put out to grass with the kids (poor beggars - kids that is!).
Irvine kept as coach - as everybody keeps saying he is 'good' and everybody's happy on the training pitch!
Get an experienced guy in as MANAGER to kick some ass & run the show their way! Pulis/anybody's got to be better than what we're putting up with!

I'd go for that, and on your opening line, Dick Advocaat would do nicely !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2014, 11:46:14 AM
Devils Advocat - How about this as a compromise

Downing & Kiely and anybody else in their 'gang' got rid of or as said elsewhere gardening leave or put out to grass with the kids (poor beggars - kids that is!).
Irvine kept as coach - as everybody keeps saying he is 'good' and everybody's happy on the training pitch!
Get an experienced guy in as MANAGER to kick some ass & run the show their way! Pulis/anybody's got to be better than what we're putting up with!

Put him in charge of the academy (best in this role in the country remember  :-X ). Can't see him keeping the respect of the first teamers if he is removed after 6/7 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frankieb on September 14, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Are we not missing the point? It's Peace who is the problem. He made the appointment of AI. Sooner he goes the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 14, 2014, 11:52:02 AM
Are we not missing the point? It's Peace who is the problem. He made the appointment of AI. Sooner he goes the better.

I don't think anyone can really criticise Peace this summer with all the effort he's put into correcting last season's mistakes. He'll give Irvine a fair chance to prove himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 11:53:28 AM
Terry Burton is surely more culpable for his appointment than JP.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2014, 11:53:54 AM
I don't think anyone can really criticise Peace this summer with all the effort he's put into correcting last season's mistakes. He'll give Irvine a fair chance to prove himself.

But his biggest error is Irvine, bigger than anything last season, he needs to follow suit with his summer work and pull the trigger now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on September 14, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
You can sign what ever players you want if the manager is stuck in his negative ways then it really dosent matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 14, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
i blame his watch.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 14, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
If Scotland gets independence...can we deport Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: popbaggie28 on September 14, 2014, 01:09:59 PM
Get Pulis in asap!! Fed up with AI already!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 01:24:35 PM
Going to put this out there. No one will agree mind but I couldn't care less really.

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

I expect some of you will say this side did well in previous years, but we had one thing we don't have now and that's match winners. We had a poor side that had a few goal scorers. They won us games, the side gained confidence and they played above themselves. Now we have a poor side, no goal scorers and, surprise surprise, we aren't winning games. Maybe the creative players will come good? They have to because otherwise we will go down, whoever is in charge.

It's easy to blame Irvine, nobody wanted him and plenty would probably like us to fail to say 'I told you so'. But for me it's far from just his fault. We are a poor side playing poorly. Nobody would keep yesterday's 11 up if it played every game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on September 14, 2014, 01:31:00 PM
Irvine had a huge say in signing and preparing this 'poor' side, so who else should we blame for another inept display?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on September 14, 2014, 01:33:07 PM
I agree to a small degree

Swansea and Everton Goals came from errors

The thing that bothers me massive about Alan Irvine is the lack of experience, the teams lack of creativity and his negativity
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 14, 2014, 01:36:42 PM
Regards players not being fit, I would take it with a huge pinch of salt.

Irvine doesn't have a clue how to fit creativity into the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 14, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
You can sign what ever players you want if the manager is stuck in his negative ways then it really dosent matter.

We could have Ronaldo and Messi in the team and wouldnt make any difference as you say!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
Going to put this out there. No one will agree mind but I couldn't care less really.

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

I expect some of you will say this side did well in previous years, but we had one thing we don't have now and that's match winners. We had a poor side that had a few goal scorers. They won us games, the side gained confidence and they played above themselves. Now we have a poor side, no goal scorers and, surprise surprise, we aren't winning games. Maybe the creative players will come good? They have to because otherwise we will go down, whoever is in charge.

It's easy to blame Irvine, nobody wanted him and plenty would probably like us to fail to say 'I told you so'. But for me it's far from just his fault. We are a poor side playing poorly. Nobody would keep yesterday's 11 up if it played every game.

 I agree entirely.

We were the better team against Sunderland and Everton for the most part, playing some decent football in my opinion. We drew away to Southampton who look decent and we usually get battered at Swansea anyway plus they have been in excellent form. All this is without our best players to feature yet.

The biggest issues for us is motivation; for both players and fans. Fan's have become disenfranchised and have lost their appetite for premiership survival. It is inevitable. Charlton, Fulham, Blackburn, Bolton have all suffered the same fate and we look to be next. The atmosphere around the ground was becoming toxic even when we cruising to an 8th place finish. There is no enjoyment for fans in our situation. Some players just seem to have gone stale as well. Olsson and Brunt for example. They feel they have already proved themselves in the prem. New teams come up and their players play like their lives depend on it.

There is a good chance we will be relegated this season. You can blame whoever you want, there are plenty of candidates, but I do wish I could enjoy going to some games again this season. Booing the players of at HT was uncalled for, as was the booing of Brunt and sarcasm when Irvine made a sub. Unfortunately it will most likely only get worse. some fans were waiting for any excuse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on September 14, 2014, 01:55:47 PM
Not wishing to be other clubs, but when you see similar sized clubs like Southampton and Swansea GET IT SO RIGHT, why the hell do we get it so wrong?
Southampton got it so right because they appointed Ronald Koeman as their manager. He was actually the man I thought we should have gone for after Mel's departure. He's got a very decent track record managing with Ajax, Benfica and Feyenoord, and plays progressive attacking football. What's more he has attracted Tadic, the best midfielder in the Dutch league last season, Aiderwereld who had a fantastic partnership with Vertongen at Ajax. By the end of the season, Southampton  won't notice the players they sold to Liverpool.
Which players will be attracted to WBA due to Irvine's presence?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
Irvine had a huge say in signing and preparing this 'poor' side, so who else should we blame for another inept display?
The poor side surely? A side that has no one who score won't win a lot, baring a miracle. We didn't have any creative players yesterday, and our reliable defenders made horrendous errors. That's nothing to do with a manager IMO, just poor players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2014, 02:02:14 PM
The poor side surely? A side that has no one who score won't win a lot, baring a miracle. We didn't have any creative players yesterday, and our reliable defenders made horrendous errors. That's nothing to do with a manager IMO, just poor players.
How do you compensate for the lack of proactive substitutions we've seen in every single game so far then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 14, 2014, 02:10:08 PM
How do you compensate for the lack of proactive substitutions we've seen in every single game so far then?
Injuries.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
How do you compensate for the lack of proactive substitutions we've seen in every single game so far then?

Is this 'proactive not reactive' thing going to be the annoying theme of the season, it's so tedious. Roy was constantly criticised for poor substitutions too. Is making subs the be all and end all of being a manager? No. It's a small part of the job and it's diffcult to determine whether it is a success or not. If they have an massive impact why didn't they start? If they do nothing were they vindicated in not starting them? There are many ways of looking at it. It might be nice to simplify things but some things are not simple.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 02:20:08 PM
How do you compensate for the lack of proactive substitutions we've seen in every single game so far then?
Injuries, lack of any real options to break on. First game there was only really Sess as an attacking option, same vs Saints and Swansea. Only a half fit Blanco and Samaras yesterday too. Not sure what else he could do? No attacking options means no attacking subs, you can't magic players out of thin air.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 14, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Going to put this out there. No one will agree mind but I couldn't care less really.

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

I expect some of you will say this side did well in previous years, but we had one thing we don't have now and that's match winners. We had a poor side that had a few goal scorers. They won us games, the side gained confidence and they played above themselves. Now we have a poor side, no goal scorers and, surprise surprise, we aren't winning games. Maybe the creative players will come good? They have to because otherwise we will go down, whoever is in charge.

It's easy to blame Irvine, nobody wanted him and plenty would probably like us to fail to say 'I told you so'. But for me it's far from just his fault. We are a poor side playing poorly. Nobody would keep yesterday's 11 up if it played every game.

I do agree with what you say to an extent and many of the players that are featuring should really have been moved on before now because they've reached the stage where they have become so stale a pigeon would turn their nose down at them.

My main gripe with Irvine though is that I can see no direction of what we're trying to do. There were times when we were bad under Pepe Mel last season but we certainly knew the direction the club wanted to go until circumstances forced us to change that methodology. Under Irvine so far, we have been flat, stale, ponderous and very pedestrian - those are facets which come from within the management. They are also facets that I have personally seen at one of Irvine's previous clubs.

Our direction seems to be we'll try and play conservative football which is pointless when you have a side incapable of doing the defensive basics, our counter attacking is none existant because our players are not moulded to play that way, and thirdly we can put together a few pretty passes before we either put a cross out for a goal kick or hold a cross in the air with a big 'come and get me' for the goalkeeper. There has been nothing for our strikers to feed on in any of our games this season. Even against Sunderland where we actually played quite well we were short in creating chances and resorted to long shots from outside the area.

This side is currently lacking in imagination and invention and our players might not be good enough but they are also problems which result from the methods they are taught in training, in my opinion, because for me, Alan Irvine is a safety first, cautious coach who doesn't have the the know-how or bottle to set a side out to be expansive and want to win a game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 02:29:32 PM
Injuries, lack of any real options to break on. First game there was only really Sess as an attacking option, same vs Saints and Swansea. Only a half fit Blanco and Samaras yesterday too. Not sure what else he could do? No attacking options means no attacking subs, you can't magic players out of thin air.
Both came on at 2-0, why not 1-0, when we still had a chance would another 10mins have killed them off?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 14, 2014, 02:32:13 PM
I don't think anyone can really criticise Peace this summer with all the effort he's put into correcting last season's mistakes. He'll give Irvine a fair chance to prove himself.
Peace is to blame because of the set up no decent coach in their right mind would want to come to us and not be able to bring in their own people we were lucky with Roy because of what happened at Liverpool and he needed to prove himself again quickly.
  When he gets rid of Irvine and as sure as eggs is eggs it's going to happen we will get someone else of a similar standing. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2014, 02:32:29 PM
We are lacking any sort of direction. Call me a dingle or whatever but AI should never have been given the job.

I don't buy the 'give him time' thing because if we had stability and stuck with Bryan Robson where would we be now?

Time to go Irvine and take Downing and Kiely with you.

Tony Pulis in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 02:39:15 PM
We are lacking any sort of direction. Call me a dingle or whatever but AI should never have been given the job.

I don't buy the 'give him time' thing because if we had stability and stuck with Bryan Robson where would we be now?

Time to go Irvine and take Downing and Kiely with you.

Tony Pulis in.
Says it all when we are begging for Pulis shows how far we have fallen. Just because we have found a manager more negative than him, albeit nowhere near as good, does not make him the answer. We may well stay up with him, but will pay the price for years to come in terms of entertainment.
Rather have a young ambitious manager who wants to play the right way and go down fighting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Both came on at 2-0, why not 1-0, when we still had a chance would another 10mins have killed them off?
Goals come in a few seconds. Maybe he was just giving it another few minutes before he made the changes, and then they scored. He could have been getting them ready, conceded, and then it would have still been the same scenario. You don't honestly believe he was waiting to concede again to make changes? It just happened the goal came before the time he wanted to make the changes, that happens. There was a good 30-25 minutes (including added time) left when they scored the second, so I can see why he was willing to give it a few more minutes. Just unfortunate that they scored.

Opposite thing happened vs Sunderland. The game was 1-1, we had Sess getting ready and then we scored, so he didn't come on. That is just the life of a football manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2014, 02:47:07 PM
Going to put this out there. No one will agree mind but I couldn't care less really.

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

I expect some of you will say this side did well in previous years, but we had one thing we don't have now and that's match winners. We had a poor side that had a few goal scorers. They won us games, the side gained confidence and they played above themselves. Now we have a poor side, no goal scorers and, surprise surprise, we aren't winning games. Maybe the creative players will come good? They have to because otherwise we will go down, whoever is in charge.

It's easy to blame Irvine, nobody wanted him and plenty would probably like us to fail to say 'I told you so'. But for me it's far from just his fault. We are a poor side playing poorly. Nobody would keep yesterday's 11 up if it played every game.

Most fans want us to do well, there's no other motive.

Yes, he didn't have all players ready - but Everton were missing Barkley, Eto'o and Oviedo who all ooze creativity.

He could have played Morrison or Dorrans further advanced to link the middle with attack, but instead used them defensively. He could have bought on Gamboa/Samaras/Blanco 15 minutes earlier when the game was crying out for creativity. I don't think it's really hindsight either - he had opportunities to change things but did nothing. When the crowd is collectively shouting "change" after 55 minutes there's no excuse not to throw an attacker on.

Besides, for the past month he's had Sessegnon at his disposal and hasn't used him. That's criminal as he's our most creative player in years - there's no defending his lack of playing Sessegnon or playing attacking midfielders in more advanced positions. He DOES have creative players at his disposal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Goals come in a few seconds. Maybe he was just giving it another few minutes before he made the changes, and then they scored. He could have been getting them ready, conceded, and then it would have still been the same scenario. You don't honestly believe he was waiting to concede again to make changes? It just happened the goal came before the time he wanted to make the changes, that happens. There was a good 30-25 minutes (including added time) left when they scored the second, so I can see why he was willing to give it a few more minutes. Just unfortunate that they scored.

Opposite thing happened vs Sunderland. The game was 1-1, we had Sess getting ready and then we scored, so he didn't come on. That is just the life of a football manager.
There was only one team going to score 2nd half though, we were getting hammered, so what was he waiting for?
He looked a lost and forlorn figure on the touchline, didn't look to have clue.
He's obviously a good coach, trouble is, once a week the opposition get in the way!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2014, 02:59:20 PM
Has he been sacked yet.Please god someone tell me he has.The football i am watching is terrible.We possibly have the best squad of players we have had in our Premier league history, This head coach is ruining them.Their confidence will get even lower.Get rid now before its too late.
I am pretty down right now but sacking this inept head coach right now will lift my spirits.
I see some have seen the light but hes still got a few happy clappers on side.I hate seeing us loose especially with feeble football but if it takes a tonking from the next 2 games to get rid then i will take it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:05:38 PM
Most fans want us to do well, there's no other motive.

Yes, he didn't have all players ready - but Everton were missing Barkley, Eto'o and Oviedo who all ooze creativity.

He could have played Morrison or Dorrans further advanced to link the middle with attack, but instead used them defensively. He could have bought on Gamboa/Samaras/Blanco 15 minutes earlier when the game was crying out for creativity. I don't think it's really hindsight either - he had opportunities to change things but did nothing. When the crowd is collectively shouting "change" after 55 minutes there's no excuse not to throw an attacker on.

Besides, for the past month he's had Sessegnon at his disposal and hasn't used him. That's criminal as he's our most creative player in years - there's no defending his lack of playing Sessegnon or playing attacking midfielders in more advanced positions. He DOES have creative players at his disposal.
Blanco and Samaras miles away from fitness, surely everyone saw that when they came on? Play Morrison or Dorrans inside, but then who plays wide? Gamboa or Saido were about the only options and then it becomes the 'negative' 1 up front. Sometimes I just think people moan about anything just for the sake of it, without actually analysing the situation.

As for Sess, obvious why he missed out vs Sunderland as he wasn't fit, no reason why he should have come in vs Saints or Swansea, both games that follow previous decent performances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:08:24 PM
There was only one team going to score 2nd half though, we were getting hammered, so what was he waiting for?
He looked a lost and forlorn figure on the touchline, didn't look to have clue.
He's obviously a good coach, trouble is, once a week the opposition get in the way!
Was it though? How many chances did Everton have before their second goal, in either half? I can only remember one. It was an even game for the most part, they just had better forward players and we made some poor mistakes.

We didn't create a lot, but we miles off being hammered for the most part. It was a poor game all round, neither side played particularly well.

I will reiterate my earlier point, we are a poor side playing poorly. We had no creative players fully fit, so we obviously lacked creativity. Surely that's just obvious?

I honestly cannot think of anybody who could work the kind of miracle you would need to get yesterday's 18 to win a premier league game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Was it though? How many chances did Everton have before their second goal, in either half? I can only remember one. It was an even game for the most part, they just had better forward players and we made some poor mistakes.

We didn't create a lot, but we miles off being hammered for the most part. It was a poor game all round, neither side played particularly well.

I will reiterate my earlier point, we are a poor side playing poorly. We had no creative players fully fit, so we obviously lacked creativity. Surely that's just obvious?

If you think that was an even game then good luck to you. Everton bossed an away game at a canter easily holding us at arms length without getting out of 2nd gear. Substituting their biggest threat they were so comfortable. Winning easily 2 nil and could have been 5 or 6 without Foster, bad shooting and missing an open goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 14, 2014, 03:17:15 PM
Going to put this out there. No one will agree mind but I couldn't care less really.

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

I expect some of you will say this side did well in previous years, but we had one thing we don't have now and that's match winners. We had a poor side that had a few goal scorers. They won us games, the side gained confidence and they played above themselves. Now we have a poor side, no goal scorers and, surprise surprise, we aren't winning games. Maybe the creative players will come good? They have to because otherwise we will go down, whoever is in charge.

It's easy to blame Irvine, nobody wanted him and plenty would probably like us to fail to say 'I told you so'. But for me it's far from just his fault. We are a poor side playing poorly. Nobody would keep yesterday's 11 up if it played every game.

I can see where you're coming from, but, I've got a mate whose's a Sheffield Wednesday fan. Now when we were both in the championship last under RDM Irvine was at Wednesday We'd been promoted and had to play Palace on a monday of the final week. Their last 2 games were Cardiff away Palace home. They were bottom 3 but not adrift. Cardiff he set out to play for a draw. Cardiff scored quickly plan went out the window and they lost. We drew with palace to keep them within 1pt of each other. Their last game Wednesday scored midway through the first half then went ultra defensive palace scored Wednesday fell apart and lost. Some people just aren'tcut out for the tactical side side of football. It says something when the last two managed by him ended up in league 1. I'm sure he's a lovely guy and is a great coach. But, we need most of our points pre-Christmas. We haven't the time to faff about. Felt sorry for Ideye yesterday just no service 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:18:12 PM
If you think that was an even game then good luck to you. Everton bossed an away game at a canter easily holding us at arms length without getting out of 2nd gear. Substituting their biggest threat they were so comfortable. Winning easily 2 nil and could have been 5 or 6 without Foster, bad shooting and missing an open goal.
I didn't think there was that much in it generally, we just didn't really create anything. I didn't ever feel like it was going to really get away from us until the game was dead as a contest at 2-0 anyway. I can only remember about 4 shots from either side in about 60 minutes, it was just a poor game all round.

As an aside I'm fed up of this 'played in 1st gear' nonsense. They were playing poorly, that's the end of it IMO. They didn't make a conscious decision to sit of, they just didn't play very well. They just have much better attacking players, who could win them a game when they were playing poorly. If we had better forward players, maybe we might have troubled them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 14, 2014, 03:18:47 PM
For me he can't be judged until we have the new players fully fit and available and then see where we are in a few months time. To be fair I thought the team yesterday would have been good enough to win but we just lack a bit of creativity that some of the new signings will provide. We also need to cut out the individual mistakes that have cost us two games in a row.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
Was it though? How many chances did Everton have before their second goal, in either half? I can only remember one. It was an even game for the most part, they just had better forward players and we made some poor mistakes.

We didn't create a lot, but we miles off being hammered for the most part. It was a poor game all round, neither side played particularly well.

I will reiterate my earlier point, we are a poor side playing poorly. We had no creative players fully fit, so we obviously lacked creativity. Surely that's just obvious?

I honestly cannot think of anybody who could work the kind of miracle you would need to get yesterday's 18 to win a premier league game.
They scored and missed an absolute sitter.
It wouldn't take a miracle to TRY and win the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
I can see where you're coming from, but, I've got a mate whose's a Sheffield Wednesday fan. Now when we were both in the championship last under RDM Irvine was at Wednesday We'd been promoted and had to play Palace on a monday of the final week. Their last 2 games were Cardiff away Palace home. They were bottom 3 but not adrift. Cardiff he set out to play for a draw. Cardiff scored quickly plan went out the window and they lost. We drew with palace to keep them within 1pt of each other. Their last game Wednesday scored midway through the first half then went ultra defensive palace scored Wednesday fell apart and lost. Some people just aren'tcut out for the tactical side side of football. It says something when the last two managed by him ended up in league 1. I'm sure he's a lovely guy and is a great coach. But, we need most of our points pre-Christmas. We haven't the time to faff about. Felt sorry for Ideye yesterday just no service
Fair point, but maybe those sides weren't good enough either? Good sides don't go down, whoever the manager is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:21:29 PM
They scored and missed an absolute sitter.
It wouldn't take a miracle to TRY and win the game.
So you believe a manager and a group of players employed to win games tried not to win a game? Of course we tried to win, we just weren't good enough to. That 11 wouldn't beat any side in this league, no matter who was in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:23:15 PM
It's easiest to address this in one go to be honest. I stick by my original point, the players aren't good enough. You are all focussing on Irvine, what he does, what he doesn't do, etc.

It's all irrelevant for me. That side wouldn't win with Mourinho in charge. The players are at fault first and foremost. JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on September 14, 2014, 03:23:42 PM

Irvine isn't to blame IMO. Yesterday we had virtually no fit creative players, and unsurprisingly we didn't create anything. Irvine picked the best side from those available and they weren't good enough. For me the blame should lie with the players.

So if we bought 11 players in the Summer how comes it that we have virtually no fit creative players available?? Who takes responsibility for that?? Is it only down to bad luck, or is it maybe getting our priorities wrong in the transfer window? Irvine just seems to have a cautious, defensive mindset.

We also need width going forward. I wasn't there yesterday, but it seems we didn't have any wide attacking players, except for Brunt, who does not really run at full backs.  Morisson can be creative (although not by Gera's standards), but he apparently was playing in front of the back 4. Dorrans and Gardener are more holding players. There needs to be midfielders (even one would be great) able to play forward passes and show a change of pace to get past opponents so as to get into threatening positions. And to link up with our strikers effectively.
And if it is blindingly obvious that we are getting outplayed by the opposition, why wait until midway into the second half before making substitutions?

I wonder also if Irvine was showing too much respect for Everton, who he undoubtedly has alot of affection for. In recent years our matches against Everton have been close run, apart from when we hammered them 4-1 at Goodison, but yesterday it was by all accounts a stroll in the park for them.

I'm afraid patience with AI's style is running very thin. Unless we see a completely different formation and performance against Burnley, I think JP will have to act.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
So if we bought 11 players in the Summer how comes it that we have virtually no fit creative players available?? Who takes responsibility for that?? Is it only down to bad luck, or is it maybe getting our priorities wrong in the transfer window? Irvine just seems to have a cautious, defensive mindset.

We also need width going forward. I wasn't there yesterday, but it seems we didn't have any wide attacking players, except for Brunt, who does not really run at full backs.  Morisson can be creative (although not by Gera's standards), but he apparently was playing in front of the back 4. Dorrans and Gardener are more holding players. There needs to be midfielders (even one would be great) able to play forward passes and show a change of pace to get past opponents so as to get into threatening positions. And to link up with our strikers effectively.
And if it is blindingly obvious that we are getting outplayed by the opposition, why wait until midway into the second half before making substitutions?

I wonder also if Irvine was showing too much respect for Everton, who he undoubtedly has alot of affection for. In recent years our matches against Everton have been close run, apart from when we hammered them 4-1 at Goodison, but yesterday it was by all accounts a stroll in the park for them.

I'm afraid patience with AI's style is running very thin. Unless we see a completely different formation and performance against Burnley, I think JP will have to act.

I think you have missed my point a little. I acknowledge yesterday's team was poor, clearly there were a lack of wide options, clearly the midfield was unbalanced. But Irvine can't magic players out of nowhere. The other options weren't fit, so we ended up with a make do and mend team. I defy anyone to take the fully fit 16 players from yesterday's 18 (Samaras and Blanco COULD NOT have started whatever anyone thinks) and pick a more adventurous or attacking 11 yesterday.

As I keep saying, yesterday's side was a woeful 11 enforced on us by absentees. No manager would get that 11 to win that game yesterday, particularly when experienced players can't do that basics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Smethwickender93 on September 14, 2014, 03:37:06 PM
Hurts me to say this, but I won't be attending any more games whilst AI is in charge. Starting to fall out of love with my club and football.

Irvine, Downing and Kiely OUT!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 14, 2014, 03:39:38 PM
I am still out of work :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 14, 2014, 03:42:12 PM
I think you have missed my point a little. I acknowledge yesterday's team was poor, clearly there were a lack of wide options, clearly the midfield was unbalanced. But Irvine can't magic players out of nowhere. The other options weren't fit, so we ended up with a make do and mend team. I defy anyone to take the fully fit 16 players from yesterday's 18 (Samaras and Blanco COULD NOT have started whatever anyone thinks) and pick a more adventurous or attacking 11 yesterday.

As I keep saying, yesterday's side was a woeful 11 enforced on us by absentees. No manager would get that 11 to win that game yesterday, particularly when experienced players can't do that basics.

If he was as good a coach as is being made out we would have atleast drawn the game 0-0.

Look at the side Palace had last year, to a man every player we had on the pitch yesterday would be considered better than theirs, but they got results through being drilled and knowing their roles, whereas our bunch havent got a bloody clue, this is Alan Irvine's fault full stop
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
For me he can't be judged until we have the new players fully fit and available and then see where we are in a few months time. To be fair I thought the team yesterday would have been good enough to win but we just lack a bit of creativity that some of the new signings will provide. We also need to cut out the individual mistakes that have cost us two games in a row.

I was of this stance until Yesterday , its half hearted negative football mate.
I can't help but feel it doesn't matter who plays or who is fit....the football is poor.
Lofted balls into the box ? , no movement ?....rigid system ? I hope he turns It around but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on September 14, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
It comes back to my point that we have not prioritised properly in the transfer window. I presume from your comments that Varela was not fit, who I have not seen, so maybe that aspect is bad luck, but that aside, from all our much publicised splash  into the transfer market, the side is woefully lacking in creativity. One example, why play a creative player like Morisson deep protecting our back 4, when we have someone like Yacob to do that job, and allow Morrison to do what he's good at? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 14, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
Fair point, but maybe those sides weren't good enough either? Good sides don't go down, whoever the manager is.

1 win and 1 draw is all thy needed play for the win. he once went 6-2-2 against Bournmouth. Good sides do go down. If you don't take chances. what irks me is this transfer window he became the most supported manager/ Head Coach this century, Yet, from his track recod he is the single least successful
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
So you believe a manager and a group of players employed to win games tried not to win a game? Of course we tried to win, we just weren't good enough to. That 11 wouldn't beat any side in this league, no matter who was in charge.
I think he sets up not to lose, to stifle the opposition. That's my issue, not upset about losing, I've seen them lose more than win in my 40 years, but yesterday we showed no ambition whatsoever, that I cannot accept. He's more scared of losing than he is ambitious to win.
He's lost at this level, you can see it in his body language. Devoid of ideas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 14, 2014, 03:53:51 PM
It comes back to my point that we have not prioritised properly in the transfer window. I presume from your comments that Varela was not fit, who I have not seen, so maybe that aspect is bad luck, but that aside, from all our much publicised splash  into the transfer market, the side is woefully lacking in creativity. One example, why play a creative player like Morisson deep protecting our back 4, when we have someone like Yacob to do that job, and allow Morrison to do what he's good at?

Sadly thats the point I'm trying Irvine's plan A is Ultra defensive Plan B is no idea. He's a good coach but then why have we got unfit players? I mean Jesus we robbed Oxford when we should have crushed them we had 8 first team players in that game, I just don't why he was hired
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
I think he sets up not to lose, to stifle the opposition. That's my issue, not upset about losing, I've seen them lose more than win in my 40 years, but yesterday we showed no ambition whatsoever, that I cannot accept. He's more scared of losing than he is ambitious to win.
He's lost at this level, you can see it in his body language. Devoid of ideas.
Fair enough, I just think it matters who is charge. We have a poor side, so we will struggle regardless. Irvine might be awful, but even a decent manager wouldn't make much of a difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 03:59:52 PM
If he was as good a coach as is being made out we would have atleast drawn the game 0-0.

Look at the side Palace had last year, to a man every player we had on the pitch yesterday would be considered better than theirs, but they got results through being drilled and knowing their roles, whereas our bunch havent got a bloody clue, this is Alan Irvine's fault full stop
That Palace scenario was an absolute miracle. I doubt even Pulis believed he actually pulled it off. I'll give you a top end example to make my point.

Look at Chelsea last year, they have a brilliant coach, arguably the best in the world. They didn't win anything though, did as badly as they have for years. Why? Because their strikers weren't good enough, they didn't have enough match winners and it Icost them. Now they have one and they have a great chance of winning everything.

Irvine May we'll be terrible, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just saying I don't think it really matters when the side is as poor as it was yesterday. Whoever was in charge, that 11 was always going to lose yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 14, 2014, 04:01:23 PM
JP, can I have my Christmas present NOW please?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Fair enough, I just think it matters who is charge. We have a poor side, so we wilis beyom struggle regardless. Irvine might be awful, but even a decent manager wouldn't make much of a difference.
That side isn't poor mate, even without the new players it's not that bad.
We have a Head Coach who doesn't attack and believes lofted balls into the box is the way forward, quite why the club signed Blanco and Varela for Irvine is beyond me because he won't use them correctly if at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on September 14, 2014, 04:03:43 PM
I was willing to give Irvine a chance,but he as all but blown it,in the final third we don't have a clue its the worst football ive seen at the albion in many years,no pace in midfield ,dorrans,brunt,morrison not that old chestnut,no pace no creativity equals no points,sess should start hes the only creative player we have,apart from a few not fit signings,3 points from burnley or he will be gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 14, 2014, 04:04:44 PM
Fair enough, I just think it matters who is charge. We have a poor side, so we will struggle regardless. Irvine might be awful, but even a decent manager wouldn't make much of a difference.

Megson got us promoted with a WAY poorer side than this. If you don't rate the side then fine. we're never going to be chelsea, but, that's why a good head coach is important to get the best out of any side. Sadly for us Irvine's proved himslf clueless  elsewhere
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
That side isn't poor mate, even without the new players it's not that bad.
We have a Head Coach who doesn't attack and believes lofted balls into the box is the way forward, quite why the club signed Blanco and Varela for Irvine is beyond me because he won't use them correctly if at all.
Maybe we will be a better side if the likes of Varela, Blanco etc hit it off. That's fine, my original point was that match winners lift sides.

That 11 yesterday though, was a poor 11. No match winners, no creativity. All enforced.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
Fair enough, I just think it matters who is charge. We have a poor side, so we will struggle regardless. Irvine might be awful, but even a decent manager wouldn't make much of a difference.

We had a better manager in the same fixture last season. He got a point. This was his team. Foster Reid Lugano Olsson Ridgewell Gera Morrison Yacob Brunt Vydra Anelka. Certainly no better than yesterdays side.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
Megson got us promoted with a WAY poorer side than this. If you don't rate the side then fine. we're never going to be chelsea, but, that's why a good head coach is important to get the best out of any side. Sadly for us Irvine's proved himslf clueless  elsewhere
He got a poor side promoted, but at a much lower level. I keep repeating myself here but I'll say it again, that 11 yesterday had no match winners so it was always going to struggle to win.

We finished mid table with poor sides because we had match winners who won us games and gave us confidence, which lifted the average players to play above themselves.

We need the likes of Varela, Blanco & Ideye to come good, otherwise we will struggle regardless of who is in charge. That's my point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 14, 2014, 04:15:11 PM
Somebody mentioned body language....i have just seen a photo of Irvine shaking hands with Martinez pre kick off.....the posture says it all..ones a Manager and one isnt...and dont give me that Head Coach rubbish...we need a Manager not a bloody committee.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 04:15:55 PM
He did pick that 11 though! This point that he didn't have players at his disposal to do any different is wrong. Put Yacob in or even Baird for any of the midfielders and then push on Dorrans/moz to AM. That's one problem solved. We lack fit wide players - put Gamboa in in place of Wisdom and watch the overlaps and him adding width to the side. We were 1-0 down but still in it and needed that little extra sooner, he was hesitant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:16:09 PM
We had a better manager in the same fixture last season. He got a point. This was his team. Foster Reid Lugano Olsson Ridgewell Gera Morrison Yacob Brunt Vydra Anelka. Certainly no better than yesterdays side.
Not much in it, but at least it's balanced. Equally, we have losses games with much better 11s, that happens. Also worth noting that 11 played poorly and only came into the game when we were able to use attacking options off the bench, options we have lacked in the main so far.

My point is that over a season, a squad will do well or do poorly based on how well the match winners play . We didn't have many/any yesterday.  We need to find some.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
He did pick that 11 though! This point that he didn't have players at his disposal to do any different is wrong. Put Yacob in or even Baird for any of the midfielders and then push on Dorrans/moz to AM. That's one problem solved. We lack fit wide players - put Gamboa in in place of Wisdom and watch the overlaps and him adding width to the side. We were 1-0 down but still in it and needed that little extra sooner, he was hesitant.
All much of a muchness for me. Non of the options you suggest turn that team into one capable of winning yesterday. Whoever played, there was always going to be a lack of threat because the players didn't have the right attributes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
All much of a muchness for me. Non of the options you suggest turn that team into one capable of winning yesterday. Whoever played, there was always going to be a lack of threat because the players didn't have the right attributes.
m

I respectfully disagree. I think a few tweaks to that side gives us more of a chance. You could argue a case for McAuley and Lescott also, who we were told all week was ready.

Hindsight is also a fine thing and it's something we have for the next game, Olsson has made 2 costly errors and been poor so far, will he be out the starting 11 next week?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 14, 2014, 04:36:07 PM
For me he can't be judged until we have the new players fully fit and available and then see where we are in a few months time. To be fair I thought the team yesterday would have been good enough to win but we just lack a bit of creativity that some of the new signings will provide. We also need to cut out the individual mistakes that have cost us two games in a row.

And when will that be in 1week 2weeks a month what if its just the same then "i've seen nothing to say otherwise"we will be in a right mess. Everyone keeps saying players aren't fit, after at the very least a month of training they should be able to get through 30 mins of football FGS.
I was told that he sets up his teams to not conceded in a way thats not a bad thing but i was also told the bloke had no flair or creativity when his team is losing & its that what is going to see him gone. Giving him the time to get everyone fit before he is kept on or sacked is a luxury we can't afford.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 14, 2014, 04:43:32 PM


Look at Chelsea last year, they have a brilliant coach, arguably the best in the world. They didn't win anything though, did as badly as they have for years. Why? Because their strikers weren't good enough, they didn't have enough match winners and it Icost them. Now they have one and they have a great chance of winning everything.


The difference here though is you know Mourinho will get it right, look at his track record. Compare Chelsea fans reaction to when JM was appointed to the reaction of ours when AI was. At the moment everybody's worst fears are happening and a large percentage of supporters don't have any faith that the coaching team will improve us enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 04:48:25 PM
The difference here though is you know Mourinho will get it right, look at his track record. Compare Chelsea fans reaction to when JM was appointed to the reaction of ours when AI was. At the moment everybody's worst fears are happening and a large percentage of supporters don't have any faith that the coaching team will improve us enough.
We have not improved for 3 seasons, that suggests none of the coaches are any good. Why did we keep on failures and employ a failure just to maintain a failing structure.
Peace had a chance to clear the decks, he didn't therefore he failed too.
They all need to go along with some of the all too comfortable senior players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
The difference here though is you know Mourinho will get it right, look at his track record. Compare Chelsea fans reaction to when JM was appointed to the reaction of ours when AI was. At the moment everybody's worst fears are happening and a large percentage of supporters don't have any faith that the coaching team will improve us enough.
Obviously it's a very different scenario, my point was just that even at the top level, being short on quality will cost you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 14, 2014, 04:55:50 PM
We have not improved for 3 seasons, that suggests none of the coaches are any good. Why did we keep on failures and employ a failure just to maintain a failing structure.
Peace had a chance to clear the decks, he didn't therefore he failed too.
They all need to go along with some of the all too comfortable senior players.
Wishful thinking though. Since Roy left our head coach appointments have been poor. SC after a good start was taking us backwards, PM should have been backed and AI we'll say no more. I agree the backroom coaches are a constant in all this, and should be held accountable as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 14, 2014, 04:56:28 PM
We have not improved for 3 seasons, that suggests none of the coaches are any good.
Simplistic and no basis of truth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: A5HB on September 14, 2014, 04:57:27 PM
m

I respectfully disagree. I think a few tweaks to that side gives us more of a chance. You could argue a case for McAuley and Lescott also, who we were told all week was ready.

Hindsight is also a fine thing and it's something we have for the next game, Olsson has made 2 costly errors and been poor so far, will he be out the starting 11 next week?
Maybe McAuley or Lescott stop us conceding, that's a fair point. But are a front 6 of Dorrans, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Berahino and Ideye going to win us games? Probably not, which is my point. That 11 wasn't good enough to win, whoever the manager was.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 05:01:01 PM
Simplistic and no basis of truth.
Simplistic? Yes.
Exaggerated? Maybe
False? No
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
Maybe McAuley or Lescott stop us conceding, that's a fair point. But are a front 6 of Dorrans, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Berahino and Ideye going to us games? Probably not, which if point. That 11 wasn't good enough to win, whoever the manager was.

That's why I think in a bizarre way Yacob in for Moz/Doz gives us the chance to put the other one in AM and bringing in a proper DM would've made us more attacking yesterday.

I would much rather Irvine proves us doubters all wrong because I hate this culture of sacking and how ruthless the game can be. I'd also like stability for a few years and I don't think many will be trying to nick him off us so if we end up doing ok under him then we should get stability.

The problem is that I can't see it happening. The players we've bought in would've been so good under Mel. All the signing don't really fit in with what we've heard of and so far seen of Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 14, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
Just spotted at Old Trafford taking notes. No doubt figuring out which defenders to play against them!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 14, 2014, 05:21:19 PM
Just spotted at Old Trafford taking notes. No doubt figuring out which defenders to play against them!
Dont think we'll be seeing a repeat of last season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on September 14, 2014, 05:23:41 PM
should be at the training ground trying to work out how to get that shower of so and so to play  >:(as a team
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_1 on September 14, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
Just saw Irvine on the telly making notes.......or in his case drawing silly pictures as he hasn't a clue about football. Get him out now, he's clueless and shouldn't be anywhere neat a premier league team!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_1 on September 14, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
should be at the training ground trying to work out how to get that shower of so and so to play  >:(as a team
I hear his training sessions are great and the players have a really good time and the atmosphere is just super!! :D :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 14, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Just saw Irvine on the telly making notes.......or in his case drawing silly pictures as he hasn't a clue about football. Get him out now, he's clueless and shouldn't be anywhere neat a premier league team!
Probably working out a new formation.........10-0-0
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 14, 2014, 05:39:26 PM
Father Ted making notes of how to get Dougal off the milk float with a bomb on it probably. Won't be anything about positive football. In fact we would be better off with Dougal McGuire as head coach!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 14, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
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That's them relegated

By far the worst manager I've ever seen at hillsborough. I still have unwanted flashbacks of his 6-2-2 tactic at home to Bournemouth. We still got outplayed and we're very fortunate to get a point

His best signing was Nicky Weaver. Purely as he kept him in the job way longer than he should have been.

RIP West Brom. See you in the championship soon

The above is a comment from the Owls forum when the announcement of us signing AI was made.

Shocking appointment and it is only a matter of a few games before AI gets the boot. Maybe Terry Burton should go with him if it was his recommendation to bring in Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 14, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
Or writing his list of excuses
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on September 14, 2014, 05:50:06 PM
It's all well and good when people talk about time, but AI looks like one of the least inspirational people I've seen.

Slate Pulis, but I tell you what - he would get a starting 11 fighting. If the players are the issue I still cannot see Irvine managing to turn that around.

All this talk about defensively minded, we've conceded within two minutes of both games. We need a leader and someone who can kick these players into gear - AI is not that man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2014, 05:50:50 PM
Writing his next pre match sermon
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 14, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
The above is a comment from the Owls forum when the announcement of us signing AI was made.

Shocking appointment and it is only a matter of a few games before AI gets the boot. Maybe Terry Burton should go with him if it was his recommendation to bring in Irvine.
That's perhaps the most worrying thing for me. When Irvine goes, he's the man that will be recommending the next head coach...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 14, 2014, 05:56:16 PM
It's all well and good when people talk about time, but AI looks like one of the least inspirational people I've seen.

Slate Pulis, but I tell you what - he would get a starting 11 fighting. If the players are the issue I still cannot see Irvine managing to turn that around.

All this talk about defensively minded, we've conceded within two minutes of both games. We need a leader and someone who can kick these players into gear - AI is not that man.
Exactly what I have said elsewhere , these players need a massive kick up the backside not somebody with rigomortis on the sidelines. Granted AI is far from the only problem at the club but he was never right for the job IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 14, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
It's all well and good when people talk about time, but AI looks like one of the least inspirational people I've seen.

Slate Pulis, but I tell you what - he would get a starting 11 fighting. If the players are the issue I still cannot see Irvine managing to turn that around.

All this talk about defensively minded, we've conceded within two minutes of both games. We need a leader and someone who can kick these players into gear - AI is not that man.

I'd love to see a Pulis in charge, but IIRC he left Palace after a dispute with the Chief Exec.

Pulis has the track record and is the calibre of leader we need, but given the Palace departure I'm not hopeful JP would get him in. 

Mind you, JP has surprised us before. Like when he appointed AI.  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 14, 2014, 07:16:13 PM
Worryingly, if AI were to go, I could honestly see JP giving it to KD and DK for the rest of the season.

We need somebody with personality, to encourage players, and to recite fans.

For whatever reason, Pepe connected with fans. AI has yet to strike a chord with anybody. And frankly his interviews are terrible. He is, without doubt, the next Steve Keen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 14, 2014, 07:16:50 PM

 

Its not pretty to watch is it.
Even though I have a season ticket it really is becoming an effort to drag myself to watch the team I've loved since I was a kid.
Even when we were in the Prem with Mowbray  the defence was poor but the attacking side of our game got fans off their seats.
Under AI the defence and attacking side of our game is as bad as its been for ages.
I never advocate sacking a manager but sorry to say Al has to go before its too late.
I never thought Id say it but at this moment in time Pulls looks an attractive option.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 14, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
I just voted go, but I'm so depressed by the whole thing that I can't even be bothered to get angry.  Its a lose lose lose for everyone, humiliation for Irvine, we're looking down the barrel, "established" players looking jaded, new ones must wonder what the f*** they'v signed up for.  I remember the eighties relegation, 3 wins all season, and this feels like that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on September 14, 2014, 07:36:49 PM
Exactly what I have said elsewhere , these players need a massive kick up the backside not somebody with rigomortis on the sidelines. Granted AI is far from the only problem at the club but he was never right for the job IMO.

I hate Pulis and I hate Warnock, and I also hate McCarthy.

However I would rather swap the passion and motivation that characters like that would bring for what we now have here with AI.

Hell, at least we would go down fighting.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 14, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
11 votes for Irvine to stay . Must have come from Terry Burton and Irvines family.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2014, 07:46:52 PM
Blanco and Samaras miles away from fitness, surely everyone saw that when they came on? Play Morrison or Dorrans inside, but then who plays wide? Gamboa or Saido were about the only options and then it becomes the 'negative' 1 up front. Sometimes I just think people moan about anything just for the sake of it, without actually analysing the situation.

As for Sess, obvious why he missed out vs Sunderland as he wasn't fit, no reason why he should have come in vs Saints or Swansea, both games that follow previous decent performances.

Samaras was definitely fit enough for 30 minutes and played internationally last week for 45 minutes, I'm not saying he should have started, but he could have easily came on before it was 2-0. This is a mistake by Irvine.

It's well documented that Morrison and/or Dorrans play better in an attacking role. Morrison played behind the central midfielders like a quarter back and Dorrans was on the wing. He could have put one of them in a more advanced role, again this was a mistake by Irvine.

That's not making excuses for his failure - he had options and failed to use them, simple as that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 14, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
11 votes for Irvine to stay . Must have come from Terry Burton and Irvines family.
Or the starting 11
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2014, 07:54:38 PM
I just voted go, but I'm so depressed by the whole thing that I can't even be bothered to get angry.  Its a lose lose lose for everyone, humiliation for Irvine, we're looking down the barrel, "established" players looking jaded, new ones must wonder what the f*** they'v signed up for.  I remember the eighties relegation, 3 wins all season, and this feels like that.

2 years its fell like that, a glimmer with pepe, but the same rubbish now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on September 14, 2014, 07:54:43 PM
I have been an Albion fan since 1979. In that time I have seen some terrible coach/managers. Gould, Talbot, Little etc. But in all those cases the club itself was also a basket-case. Now we have a solid club, built on excellent foundations. However we seem to have an acute blind spot when it comes to appointing a First Team Coach. What leaves me baffled by the appointment of Irvine is that he is almost identical to Clarke. I suspect he's a top fella and really good on the training ground but he's no leader of men.

We have flirted over recent appointments with experienced foreign coaches and of course hit the jackpot with Roy - so with that in mind why go with a great back-room guy who hadn't been near management in 5 years.

One thing I have always liked about the Albion is that overall we have tended to show patience with managers. That is until very recently. I am at a loss to think the Pepe Mel would be making such a mess of things as Irvine is. We may well have lost a couple but I guarantee we would have come away from those of games and felt like we wanted to win and win in swashbuckling way. With pace, aggression and passion.

The truth is that we have now got an inferior Steve Clarke. Look at Hull with Steve Bruce, Palace with Pulis - if you want to grind out safety go for experience. If you want to play expansive, attacking football go abroad (and stick to your decision).

Relegation is probably a certainty this season - unless we move very quickly and have a proper plan. What kind of football does a West Brom team play now? It used to be Mowbray and Di Matteo leading the way with attacking football - sadly now we're miles behind progressive clubs like Swansea, Hull and Southampton.

Peace has got it wrong and he needs to go back to a model where we groom the next generation of Football Directors (Ashworth, Ashton etc) and the next generation of coaches. Currently we're been lead by yesterday men. It's very, very depressing.

I am going to the Burnley game and I actually think we'll get beaten. Sean Dyche would have been a much more forward thinking choice.....



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2014, 07:56:25 PM
. I suspect he's a top fella and really good on the training ground but he's no leader of men.


Nail on the head, he's no leader of men.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2014, 08:00:02 PM
Just spotted at Old Trafford taking notes. No doubt figuring out which defenders to play against them!

I'll be shocked, annoyed, depressed and a whole load of expletives if he is still in charge by then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2014, 08:12:50 PM
Nail on the head, he's no leader of men.

Saying he's not a leader of men doesn't do him justice - he's also got no tactics, poor formations and no plan b!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
I'll be shocked, annoyed, depressed and a whole load of expletives if he is still in charge by then

Let's hope he wasn't scouting QPR aswell. Just imagine if he was still at the helm come Christmas! A very blunt butter knife would be on my crimbo wish list, got to be better to cut my wrists that way than to take any more AI,
But hey, he's a hard worker, always first in and last out an the lads are happy in training.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on September 14, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
It's easiest to address this in one go to be honest. I stick by my original point, the players aren't good enough. You are all focussing on Irvine, what he does, what he doesn't do, etc.

It's all irrelevant for me. That side wouldn't win with Mourinho in charge. The players are at fault first and foremost. JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

So you're basically saying we don't need a manager/coach.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 14, 2014, 08:32:16 PM
We going to make a banner for spurs next Sunday? I'm up for that, if we are 3 or 4 down by half time we truly make our voices heard. If we miraculously win, there'll be discount price humble pie on offer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 08:38:23 PM
We going to make a banner for spurs next Sunday? I'm up for that, if we are 3 or 4 down by half time we truly make our voices heard. If we miraculously win, there'll be discount price humble pie on offer.

What will it say? "5 games Enough is Enough!!"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on September 14, 2014, 08:43:55 PM
the big mistake he made today was not playing yacob in a four man midfield, containing similar players leaving big spaces between defense and midfield.

before watching the match online today i expected and abject performance, but i thought we played decent with two mistakes killing us, everton didn't play much better than us other than a 15 mins after the second goal. i really hope that blanco and gamboa play the next match and lescott comes i for Olson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2014, 08:49:54 PM
What will it say? "5 games Enough is Enough!!"

It's so much more than that though and you know it. It's been the wrong appointment since day one. I can't believe we even gave the guy a second thought, let alone an interview and then the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
Let's hope he wasn't scouting QPR aswell. Just imagine if he was still at the helm come Christmas! A very blunt butter knife would be on my crimbo wish list, got to be better to cut my wrists that way than to take any more AI,
But hey, he's a hard worker, always first in and last out an the lads are happy in training.  ::)

It's all that counts, it's a happy club, happy training ground, trainings fun, they am hovin a loff, while the fans are requesting butter knives for xmas lol.

Fish kinives am just as blunt, painful and slow....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
It's so much more than that though and you know it. It's been the wrong appointment since day one. I can't believe we even gave the guy a second thought, let alone an interview an then the job.

Perhaps but it's just embarrassing for fans to act in such an undignified manner. By all accounts this is a good man who is trying his hardest. If it transpires he isn't good enough so be it but he deserves a modicum of support surely. If results are poor he will lose his job and he will have ruined his last opportunity to manage at such a high level. He'll be aware of the consequences.

I don't know why he was appointed, we would have mocked any club who had done similar but it's done now. We have to give him a fair chance. It's been 4 league games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 14, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
If the dingles or the Vile had appointed him, we'd have been queuing up to take the pee. but no we appointed him, beggars belief
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 14, 2014, 09:14:38 PM
Perhaps but it's just embarrassing for fans to act in such an undignified manner. By all accounts this is a good man who is trying his hardest. If it transpires he isn't good enough so be it but he deserves a modicum of support surely. If results are poor he will lose his job and he will have ruined his last opportunity to manage at such a high level. He'll be aware of the consequences.

I don't know why he was appointed, we would have mocked any club who had done similar but it's done now. We have to give him a fair chance. It's been 4 league games.
Even if giving him a fair chance will not give enough time too a successor?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
Even if giving him a fair chance will not give enough time too a successor?

Him being sacked has nothing to with the fans it will be down to results and the board anyway. Fans just generate an atmosphere and at the moment it's atrocious.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 14, 2014, 09:43:21 PM
The chants of sack the coaching staff should be ringing around the Hawthorns.  The fans are too soft though which plays into Peace's hands.  The club has been rotten since Ashworth and Hodgson left.  No leadership, guidance, direction, nothing.  Senior players running the show instead of the manager and players that should have gone ages ago.  The whole place stinks of complacency, what's the point?  I feel sick how much this Pulis coaching set up is paid by us the fans.  Time to stand up and be counted and not be accepting of this utter garbage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 14, 2014, 11:23:19 PM
What will it say? "5 games Enough is Enough!!"
Well yeah, as a club we need a motivating manager, not afraid to get stuck in. We are already in the bottom 3 so yes we need change in how our club is run. That ok for you? Doesn't hurt getting your voice heard instead of being nice little old west brom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 14, 2014, 11:25:41 PM
i seriously think JP will drag Burton into office tomorrow morning and tell him to start the search for a replacement immediately.
We know the process will take some weeks and JP is savvy enough to know he cannot leave the status quo in place for more than another 3 games max. i also think that in his new "things will change" incarnation JP will be acknowledging the KD / DK issue and the new head coach will be able to bring in his own team.

All of this could result in a certain Mr Sherwood being in the running IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 14, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
i seriously think JP will drag Burton into office tomorrow morning and tell him to start the search for a replacement immediately.
We know the process will take some weeks and JP is savvy enough to know he cannot leave the status quo in place for more than another 3 games max. i also think that in his new "things will change" incarnation JP will be acknowledging the KD / DK issue and the new head coach will be able to bring in his own team.

All of this could result in a certain Mr Sherwood being in the running IMO.

I'll have two pints of whatever you're drinking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 14, 2014, 11:46:32 PM
Well yeah, as a club we need a motivating manager, not afraid to get stuck in. We are already in the bottom 3 so yes we need change in how our club is run. That ok for you? Doesn't hurt getting your voice heard instead of being nice little old west brom.

I do think a lot of fan's have totally lost any sense of perspective. Modern game and all that I guess. If this was someone with a better reputation or an unknown quantity like, I dunno, lets say Pepe Mel when he came in, you'd be a laughing stock for suggesting he should go after such a short period of time. You'd be saying they haven't let him bring staff in, you'd say how can he bed 11 players in straight away with all the injuries and fitness issues, you'd make excuse after excuse for him. This is Irvine though he failed at two clubs; I'm sure you've scrutinised his time at both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday in great detail in deduced he is clueless, destined to fail and therefore deserves no time or to be treated fairly.

Yes we are in the bottom three but we are hardly cut adrift are we? The way the club is run isn't simply the head coach is it? In fact that's a small part of the overall set-up. I hear the 'little old west brom' voices every home game and they aren't nice. We are no better than any fans of any club I've encountered . Inpatient. Great when it's good, negative when it's bad -ironically when you need fans the most. What would set us apart is supporting a struggling side and head coach who desperately needs us but that is not going to happen is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 15, 2014, 12:15:51 AM
I do think a lot of fan's have totally lost any sense of perspective. Modern game and all that I guess. If this was someone with a better reputation or an unknown quantity like, I dunno, lets say Pepe Mel when he came in, you'd be a laughing stock for suggesting he should go after such a short period of time. You'd be saying they haven't let him bring staff in, you'd say how can he bed 11 players in straight away with all the injuries and fitness issues, you'd make excuse after excuse for him. This is Irvine though he failed at two clubs; I'm sure you've scrutinised his time at both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday in great detail in deduced he is clueless, destined to fail and therefore deserves no time or to be treated fairly.

Yes we are in the bottom three but we are hardly cut adrift are we? The way the club is run isn't simply the head coach is it? In fact that's a small part of the overall set-up. I hear the 'little old west brom' voices every home game and they aren't nice. We are no better than any fans of any club I've encountered . Inpatient. Great when it's good, negative when it's bad -ironically when you need fans the most. What would set us apart is supporting a struggling side and head coach who desperately needs us but that is not going to happen is it?
The modern game has created this sense of urgency, and although none of us like it, there is now a detachment between fans and clubs which does cause for impatience. I know I speak for many others when I say usually a manager will have a honeymoon period in his early games and so far we have seen little fight which is deeply concerning. On top of this clubs are now targeting us for points at every game after last seasons poor showing. We want some ambition for our club and Irvine has not shown any, in fact he's showing a lot of respect for the opposition, and we are not playing to our potential. The stakes are so high for staying in this league more than ever so maybe we need a rethink in how we are going to survive. I pray we can get something on Sunday to settle the nerves but I just can't see it. I do agree though, we do need to support the team but that's it, the team, not the clubs hierarchy. I won't condone booing or jeering, I don't think that helps at all, but I can understand the unhappiness at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 07:49:50 AM
The chants of sack the coaching staff should be ringing around the Hawthorns.  The fans are too soft though which plays into Peace's hands.  The club has been rotten since Ashworth and Hodgson left.  No leadership, guidance, direction, nothing.  Senior players running the show instead of the manager and players that should have gone ages ago.  The whole place stinks of complacency, what's the point?  I feel sick how much this Pulis coaching set up is paid by us the fans.  Time to stand up and be counted and not be accepting of this utter garbage.



Absolutely correct.We just sit back and accept.Enough is enough.
Irvine and his coaching staff inc Downing have 2 games to get 4 points with improved peformances minimum
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 15, 2014, 07:52:50 AM
How long would Sherwood have got on the same results?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 07:54:04 AM
How long would Sherwood have got on the same results?



Longer.We would have seen a totally different approach.All we expect at the Albion is effort and passion, trying to win, thats good enough for me
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2014, 08:11:37 AM
The only thing I'll say in Irvine's defence is that he hasn't resorted to long ball yet. I also don't think he plays that narrow. On Saturday Brunt and Poc on the left especially saw plenty of the ball 1st half and Wisdom was flagging for the ball on the right quite often. The problem is we have no pace or threat in those wide positions.

Swansea have Dyer and Routledge and then bring on Montero off the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on September 15, 2014, 08:28:21 AM


Longer.We would have seen a totally different approach.All we expect at the Albion is effort and passion, trying to win, thats good enough for me

That sums it up perfectly for me.  Effort and passion, trying to win.  It should be a given, but its just not there at present.  It starts from the top down. If the head coach hasn't got it, then it is unlikely to be there.

If we are to get relegated, then I want to see us go down shattered, having given our all, not feebly waving a white flag by the end if October.

Under AI we are going down.  It is hard to see any other outcome. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2014, 09:28:41 AM
I've started posting on this thread a bit now, having spent the summer kidding myself it might work out and wanting AI to succeed, but I just can't see anything but disaster ahead now. 

"Charisma"/confidence/chutzpah/bumptiousness call it what you like, it may be innate or it may be learned, who knows, and it may not always be a likeable characteristic, but I'm sorry, Irvine looks like a rabbit in the headlights to me.

Pulis - I don't care if he plays hoofball and is a self-promoting knob, he can keep us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
Going to have a little post on my thoughts at the moment regarding our club, The problems are beyond and alot deeper than brunt and Irvine that's why i don't get the booing and slagging them off.

It was pivitol this season that after last we got off to a good start mainly because of last seasons disasters which should have seen us relegated but also because of our head coach appointment. The clubs hierarchy/football department have dropped a big boo boo in my eyes in the way that we have bought seven or so players that need a mini preseason when it was vital we hit the ground running especially for Big Als sake and to avoid this toxic atmosphere that now surrounds us once again, With a run of tough fixtures coming up.

Onto the match day squad it looks as though we need a big injection of pace and creativity something that has been missing for 18 months or so as soon as that Chelsea penalty went in it was left behind in London, I see nothing in front of me that excites me or gets me on the edge of my seat our midfield looks bland and has the positivity and ambition of an old folks home. Brunt needs dropping not booing to move us forward as does dorrans and if it wasn't for Everton performance i would say saido aswell especially now we have the reinforcements up to speed.

Onto our head coach i feel sorry for him i really do he is working as a coach not a head coach in my eyes, We have two and one has a job for life the other is brought in to work alongside him and possibly Deano it looked like last season, You could tell that Pepe thoroughly didnt enjoy the situation at all. We look like a good old fashioned English youth team in the way "its the taking part that counts" were really enjoying ourselves this week in training, It gets my back up im not saying they shouldn't enjoy it but first we need to see results on the pitch.

 Fosters recent article was right our fans were embarrassing however then i draped across the part where he said Brunt would be first name on my team sheet every week again i'm not sure whether he really believes that and ive heard a lot different but again its stinks of a set up where everyones far too comfortable in there roles for the ludicrous wages they get paid as with all pro footballers.

Not that id want to see Pulis anywhere near our club but do people honestly think he would be brought in ?, It would be like sending Adolf Hitler to work with Jehovah witnesses. I struggle to see a way forward at the moment, I'm hoping Blanco and valera can help change things around and bring back some excitement to the place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboytom on September 15, 2014, 10:06:18 AM
I largely agree with mulliganstired, For the first time in 12+years I actually thought about leaving the game early. Although I still made myself sit through it too the end and was probably the only person near where I sit that clapped while some fans boo'ed. (just because I don't like to boo, but I don't moan at people that do because they are entitled to boo such a poor performance).

I never really made to many comments about AI until I saw how he would perform on the big stage and to say I'm underwhelmed is an understatement. I thought this appointment would either be genius or a big failure and unfortunately early signs are its the latter.

I think the spurs game in terms of getting a result is already a write off but I would like to see him gee the players up to put in a stellar performance. Then the real test will be hull (cup) and burnley. If we don't win those 2 games I think its time to put this "experiment??" to an end and bring in someone who is going to sort out this bunch of overpaid prema donnas!

As much as I would hate it to be Pulis, you can't deny what effect he had on Palace last season and it's something we desperately need. I won't care at that point how bad the football is I just want my beloved club to stay where it belongs in the premier league!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Crosser on September 15, 2014, 10:14:01 AM
I remember watching the video of Alan Irvine's first day at the training ground. It concerned me that there was no rush/ enthusiasm to get on to the training pitch. It was all have a giggle, stroll out when the players felt like it. Irvine then appeared and didn't seem to be too concerned at the relaxed atmosphere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 15, 2014, 10:15:53 AM

I have been going to watch West Bromwich Albion home and away for 20-odd years and I have never been so bored and fed up.

No point in delaying the inevitable - just sack him!!!

I've always stayed until the end of the game....until Saturday.

I went back to tthe cricket club to watch the cricket match at 4.25pm....

Just pathetic. I'm not interested in Irvine's excuses or people trying to make them for him. He's a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Crosser on September 15, 2014, 10:26:34 AM
It seems I only managed to post half my message.

Irvine should have stamped on the casual carry on immediately. I suspect nothing of the kind has happened. I appreciate him not wanting to risk injury to new guys, but they are professional sportsmen, who by now should be fit enough to be appearing, and wanting to get on to the pitch on a Saturday.
   I really think that none of the squad appear to be fit enough for what is required of them.
   The younger players such as Roofe and O Neil should also be given a chance to show what they can do. Surely their enthusiasm would help. Or are they also now steeped in the easy life?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 15, 2014, 10:27:47 AM
I want him gone now.

But, I did say from the beginning I'd give him 6 games. So far we've had poor results, but even worse, terrible performances.

What annoys me is Chris Brunt blamed part of last season on a "dead" dressing room under Mel. Well, Pepe is long gone, so what's the problem now? Tea lady not cutting your sandwiches into triangles?

I'm being serious when I say this, perhaps the club should appoint a psychologist for a while to work with the players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2014, 10:31:29 AM
I want him gone now.

But, I did say from the beginning I'd give him 6 games. So far we've had poor results, but even worse, terrible performances.

What annoys me is Chris Brunt blamed part of last season on a "dead" dressing room under Mel. Well, Pepe is long gone, so what's the problem now? Tea lady not cutting your sandwiches into triangles?

I'm being serious when I say this, perhaps the club should appoint a psychologist for a while to work with the players.


I want all three of them gone, Irvine, Keily and Downing. It will make no difference if just Irvine goes.

Any players that have an objection should be frozen out and got rid of ASAP - they do not run the football club - especially when they can't manage to win a game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2014, 10:32:54 AM

I want all three of them gone, Irvine, Keily and Downing. It will make no difference if just Irvine goes.

Any players that have an objection should be frozen out and got rid of ASAP - they do not run the football club - especially when they can't manage to win a game.

Hear Hear, I dont think people realize will just be going round in circles unless theres a shake up no point in getting rid of just Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2014, 10:37:21 AM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2014, 10:39:07 AM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season


What's your point? You're talking as if Clarke turned things round, he didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2014, 10:47:42 AM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season

Also in 2011 under Hodgson we collected 5 points from our first 7 games including results such as a 3-0 loss against Swansea, 0-0 at home to Fulham and a 1-0 home loss against Stoke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2014, 10:48:29 AM

What's your point? You're talking as if Clarke turned things round, he didn't.


He did actually, until the game at Chelsea our results improved quite dramatically.
I'm not sure what people expect when you bring 11 new players into a football club, it takes time for them to gell. Personally, I'm expecting no more than survival this season. We saw Liverpool & Villa going through the same scenario when they were re-building.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2014, 10:51:00 AM

He did actually, until the game at Chelsea our results improved quite dramatically.
I'm not sure what people expect when you bring 11 new players into a football club, it takes time for them to gell. Personally, I'm expecting no more than survival this season. We saw Liverpool & Villa going through the same scenario when they were re-building.


He turned it round to the extent that we sacked him as the general consensus was we were going down if we didn't.

Let me ask you a question: How much time would you give Irvine?

Let me know then if he stays here for that long we will then discuss what the point was of flogging a dead horse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 15, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
HE has to go and go now. He was appointed on the premise of being the best coach around for our needs. Clearly this isnt true he is no better than either of the previous post holders, worse he gives the impression of not having a clue about how to turn things around and improve, certainly not by coaching he is just hoping some of the signings will prove to be better than we have now and that will be enough to scramble clear. Surely his appointment and continuing in the job can no longer be justified  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 11:03:43 AM
Some of Irvines issues some i said have to go down to the backroom team that are still there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 15, 2014, 11:06:24 AM
It's obvious we don't need a coach we need a manager. Someone to come in and take control.
That means he brings in his own people who know and accept his methods. If senior players don't like it tough!
We did it the wrong way round by trying to find a coach to fit what we already had, even though what we already had was failing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2014, 11:07:43 AM
I'll be judging Irvine at Christmas at the earliest, you can't say he's not good enough after four Premier League games. I'm looking forward to seeing the new signings fully fit and see what the team is like then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2014, 11:16:29 AM

He turned it round to the extent that we sacked him as the general consensus was we were going down if we didn't.

Let me ask you a question: How much time would you give Irvine?

Let me know then if he stays here for that long we will then discuss what the point was of flogging a dead horse.

It's not my decision, but JP's comments on the first day of the season would suggest that he'd be happy with survival in the EPL together with a decent run in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see AI still has "money in the bank" on all three fronts, on the other hand, if it gets to a point where we are becoming cut-off at the base of the EPL ( which is obviously the most lucrative of the competitions), then he would have to act.

I'm not entirely happy with AI, for example, I would like to see Lescott in defense, & I'm not sure why he wasn't playing on Saturday. I'd also like to see GMac brought back, but at 35, he's not the future for WBA is he?, so I can see why Craig Dawson is being given an opportunity.

As a character AI is also quite dour, as a consequence, he's not very endearing.

On the other hand, he's got 11 new players in varying stages of match readyness to incorporate into the playing squad, If we sacked AI today, & brought in another Head Coach or Manager, they would still have that task to do, & that takes time.
We are a team in transition, it's going to be a long season, whoever is in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: joeymayo on September 15, 2014, 11:23:59 AM
Just been down to the bookies to place a bet we won't beat Derby's current low of eleven points in the season.
Now I know the bookies rarely get things wrong but we are 4-6 not to beat it  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 15, 2014, 11:25:27 AM
It's not my decision, but JP's comments on the first day of the season would suggest that he'd be happy with survival in the EPL together with a decent run in the domestic cup competitions.
As far as I can see AI still has "money in the bank" on all three fronts, on the other hand, if it gets to a point where we are becoming cut-off at the base of the EPL ( which is obviously the most lucrative of the competitions), then he would have to act.

I'm not entirely happy with AI, for example, I would like to see Lescott in defense, & I'm not sure why he wasn't playing on Saturday. I'd also like to see GMac brought back, but at 35, he's not the future for WBA is he?, so I can see why Craig Dawson is being given an opportunity.

As a character AI is also quite dour, as a consequence, he's not very endearing.

On the other hand, he's got 11 new players in varying stages of match readyness to incorporate into the playing squad, If we sacked AI today, & brought in another Head Coach or Manager, they would still have that task to do, & that takes time.
We are a team in transition, it's going to be a long season, whoever is in charge.
Transition is fine provided it is progressive, the problem is Irvine appears to be taking us backwards in terms of playing style, therefore even the long term vision is a bleak one.
Most fans would have accepted a transition with someone like Mel in charge because the short term pain would have been worth it for the long term benefits.
With regard to player readyness I also think that Irvine may be very demanding and that is holding back some of the new signings. Personally I would rather see a half fit Blanco / Samaras than a fully fit Brunt / Dorrans / Morrison, even if only for 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on September 15, 2014, 11:27:13 AM
Just been down to the bookies to place a bet we won't beat Derby's current low of eleven points in the season.
Now I know the bookies rarely get things wrong but we are 4-6 not to beat it  :o :o :o :o

Not a prayer mate, if thats the odds they gave you they have mis understood the bet. Also in that case we must be around 3/1 to beat it which I will put my life savings on if correct.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 11:33:52 AM
Never in a millions years will he be here at Christmas.Can you honestly see us winning a game?The negative way we are playing i cant.Loose the next 2 games ,.Hes gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Never in a millions years will he be here at Christmas.Can you honestly see us winning a game?The negative way we are playing i cant.Loose the next 2 games ,.Hes gone


I'm wondering if he'll break Terry Connor's record at Wolves. Pl 13 W 0 D 4 L 9 0% win rate.

Surely, surely, surely we can get a win from somewhere?????????
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 15, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
Never in a millions years will he be here at Christmas.Can you honestly see us winning a game?The negative way we are playing i cant.Loose the next 2 games ,.Hes gone

That'd be my ideal scenario if we're going to progress (not for us to lose obviously, but if we lose then the Board don't hang around).

The first six games were always going to be crucial for me, because I thought they were a good gauge for us.

So far we've come up well short of where we should be if we don't want a repeat of last year's season.

I know six games in under ordinary circumstances would be far too soon to judge a Manager, much less pull the trigger, but AI has precious little credit in the bank, and what little he has can only be earned by winning matches and drawing against the better teams and the team going down fighting where they do lose.

We're not showing any consistency and I'm not placing a bet that he can turn it around anytime soon.

I'm hoping the team can show guts and determination against Spurs. I think on paper at least we should beat Burnley.

But if we lose both then that'll be it for me.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
I'll be judging Irvine at Christmas at the earliest, you can't say he's not good enough after four Premier League games. I'm looking forward to seeing the new signings fully fit and see what the team is like then.

Hopefully you won't have chance to judge then, because if AI remains we'll be cut adrift of even the likes of QPR and Burnley at the bottom of the league. I was hoping JP might act today but I suspect he'll wrap it up on a Sunday night after we lose to a team in claret and blue at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on September 15, 2014, 12:13:48 PM
If I had the chance, I would want to ask Alan Irvine the following questions:

1.  If we accept your premise that many of the players have not had a proper pre-season, why have you still not got them up to a sufficient state of fitness to play?

2.  We understand that you are regarded as a top coach, why then have you not been able to coach the team to avoid the fact that in 3 games out of 4 we have conceded a very early goal?  Whilst the early goal against Sunderland may be put down to a nervous start, no lessons have been learned.

3.  You argue that the early goals were down to individual mistakes, so why haven't you coached the players into avoiding such mistakes?

4.  Your job should include setting up appropriate and effective defensive routines and set piece plays.  Why have we seen no evidence?

5.  Why do you set up your teams to just avoid defeat and then have no Plan B when we fall behind?  See point 2 for not having learned lessons.  If, against Everton, there had not been two individual errors, on the evidence we saw the best we could have achieved would have been a draw.  Playing for a draw at home is not acceptable.

6.  Why are your substitutions made when it is too late to change the outcome of a game?

7.  And finally, when, if at all, are we going to get a bit of excitement?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 15, 2014, 12:50:54 PM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season
The difference is, Clarke did ok in his performance vs Everton and Fulham we could have won - so really it wasn't the the performances and more the results. Of course, Clarke didn't turn it round and was rightfully sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 15, 2014, 01:02:35 PM
Anybody for Irvine Bingo ?

'He needs time'
'Not yet where we want the boy to be'
'Individual mistakes'
'No pre-season'

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 15, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
Anybody for Irvine Bingo ?

'He needs time'
'Not yet where we want the boy to be'
'Individual mistakes'
'No pre-season'
Wasn't his latest soundbite something like 'It doesn't matter when you win games as long as you win them', in some bizarre reference to Crystal Palace last season?
Only heard this second hand so apologies if it's rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 01:12:52 PM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season


Have you been to the games? have you seen whats being served up on the field of play.There is absolutely no hope or evidence of any recovery, this dire football also stretches back to pre season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 15, 2014, 01:15:16 PM
Why did we back this manager with the biggest budget instead of Mel, Clarke, RDM, even Roy Hodgson! I would have backed every one of those to do better with the resources on offer. A real shame. What makes it worse is that we're going to have to go for a premier league survival expert in October/November, meaning a Pulis, Allardyce type, when in the Summer we could have got a continental manager ie, advocaat, koeman. Club have ballsed this up big time and I think they already know this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Joust on September 15, 2014, 01:22:20 PM
Ridiculous appointment. Wait for Pardew or go for Jol imo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2014, 01:32:01 PM

Have you been to the games? have you seen whats being served up on the field of play.There is absolutely no hope or evidence of any recovery, this dire football also stretches back to pre season

I've been to both home games, didn't see any of the away games. I don't think it's any worse than it was under SC at this stage last season, after which he staged a recovery until the Chelsea game. The point is SC was given some leeway at this point last season, it was only after the two Villa games that the crowd turned against him.
If Tim Sherwood had been appointed, with the same results, I don't think he would have got this grief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 15, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
I want him gone now.

But, I did say from the beginning I'd give him 6 games. So far we've had poor results, but even worse, terrible performances.

What annoys me is Chris Brunt blamed part of last season on a "dead" dressing room under Mel. Well, Pepe is long gone, so what's the problem now? Tea lady not cutting your sandwiches into triangles?

I'm being serious when I say this, perhaps the club should appoint a psychologist for a while to work with the players.
It is very basic psychology - you have young, energetic men going out onto a field to try to beat another lot at a physical game.  If they go out fired up by a respected and enthusiastic older guy they respect telling them to put it about and try to win, they have a hugely greater chance than if a quiet older bloke they quite like with coaching badges is trying to remind them of diagrams about their positional sense in the tunnel.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 15, 2014, 01:46:07 PM
I've been to both home games, didn't see any of the away games. I don't think it's any worse than it was under SC at this stage last season, after which he staged a recovery until the Chelsea game. The point is SC was given some leeway at this point last season, it was only after the two Villa games that the crowd turned against him.
If Tim Sherwood had been appointed, with the same results, I don't think he would have got this grief.

If Tim Sherwood had been appointed, with the same results, I don't think he would have got this grief.

thats the crux though, people would tolerate the results IF we played with some semblence of style. What won't be tolerated is losing football played in a dour, defensive, reactive (too late) manner.

I would love to sit AI down and tell him that we the fans want the club (ergo him) to succeed, to go against his instincts and play a creative side with pace and energy, he will to quote Van gaal hate the philosiphy, but the ONLY chance AI has of winning the fans over is to change tack immediately.

If we come off the pitch at White Hart lane losing but having had a "proper go" some will bitch but the majority of baggies will accept, another dour defensive performance will only hasten his inevitable demise.

*************** Smell the coffee Alan for all our sakes !  ***************
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 15, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
It is very basic psychology - you have young, energetic men going out onto a field to try to beat another lot at a physical game.  If they go out fired up by a respected and enthusiastic older guy they respect telling them to put it about and try to win, they have a hugely greater chance than if a quiet older bloke they quite like with coaching badges is trying to remind them of diagrams about their positional sense in the tunnel.

I know what you mean, & it may well be AI is too technical, on the other hand, you have to have some discipline, especially in defense.
Personally, I don't have too many problems with us going forward, we're creating the chances, just not converting them at the moment, but defensively we're a shambles. You could be right, there could just be too much information.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 02:27:01 PM
I know what you mean, & it may well be AI is too technical, on the other hand, you have to have some discipline, especially in defense.
Personally, I don't have too many problems with us going forward, we're creating the chances, just not converting them at the moment, but defensively we're a shambles. You could be right, there could just be too much information.



i must have missed that one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 15, 2014, 03:13:30 PM
It also annoys the hell out of me that he doesn't wear a suit. He looks like a sunday league gaffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 15, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
It annoys me that he's got no Premier League track record. He may as well be a Sunday league gaffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
His only movement in his tech area is when he looks at his watch and guess what the Express & Star have a picture of him doing :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 15, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
it's going to be a hugely frustrating time between now and when he actually gets the sack.

whereas JP made rapid decisions with RDM and Clarke (both of which I disagreed with at the time), I've got a horrible feeling that he'll hang onto Irvine for longer, because he has so publicly put his name to the appointment.

Could be 2/3 months before he goes... :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeb-Dog on September 15, 2014, 03:30:37 PM
I honestly don't think we'll get a win under Alan. I hope I'm wrong of course but everything about us spells trouble - errors all over the park, no movement, no goal threat, etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 03:32:05 PM
I couldnt even see him getting us back up if we go down with him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 15, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
I've been to both home games, didn't see any of the away games. I don't think it's any worse than it was under SC at this stage last season, after which he staged a recovery until the Chelsea game. The point is SC was given some leeway at this point last season, it was only after the two Villa games that the crowd turned against him.
If Tim Sherwood had been appointed, with the same results, I don't think he would have got this grief.
Tim Sherwood does not have a history of failure or playing turgid football.
People are missing the point, this is not personal against Irvine because we don't like him, it's because he is serving up exactly what was expected based on what we know of him at previous clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 15, 2014, 04:00:23 PM
For the first time in my memory I have just voted for a west brom manager to go.

That is nothing against AI. He can be the best coach in the world, but sadly a good coach doesn't win football matches.  A good coach may develop individuals skill and potential and equally they may be able to mould those skills into a chosen team style of play.

However, in my opinion, a good tactician is who wins football matches and unfortunately the premier league is not the place to learn those skills.  Its about formation, team selection, reading the opposition, responding when and where necessary, influencing the game from the touchline and through insightful substitutions, and having a plan B, C and D where necessary.  Unfortunately I don't think AI currently has enough of any of those, and the premiership is too unforgiving not to have at least some of these tools in your tool box. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SirTonyM on September 15, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
   
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season

I think its because he came 8th the season before, our highest ever finish. That gave him some time, Irvine (sadly for him) came as no-ones choice and so if he started badly was always going to get this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 15, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
Tim Sherwood does not have a history of failure or playing turgid football.
People are missing the point, this is not personal against Irvine because we don't like him, it's because he is serving up exactly what was expected based on what we know of him at previous clubs.

Bang on.

No candidate discussed over the Summer was going to be perfect in every department, but at least with someone like Sherwood he'd have had more of a grace period than Irvine is getting because he has a track record on which to judge him, and more importantly gauge our reactions as fans.

Same with Clark last year: he got time because he'd already had a full season under his belt.

Same with RDM.

I keep saying it and I won't stop: Irvine has absolutely no track record of Premier League management. What record he has can only be described as indifferent at the very best. That's why he's getting such short shrift.

2 points so far isn't the end of the world, but as a fan I have absolutely no way of being assured that this guy knows what to do in the Premier League when the going is tough. All I can go on is what I've seen on the pitch so far, and that has me as worried as hell.

The more I try to think it through, the more I just can't see what the hell JP and co. were thinking. I'm really worried that we're caught in a downward spiral and that they'll give Irvine until Xmas.

If I were JP and wanted to save face and stop the atmosphere from getting really poisonous,  I'd call it quits after the Burnley game if we lose that, admit I'd made a howler and install a bloke with a track record in the Premier League first thing Monday morning. 



 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 15, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
I’m willing to give AI a fair crack.  I’ll reserve my judgement until he has had the opportunity to play all our new signings and mould them into a team, if we are still being served up this overly cautious and unimaginative football after that period then I will be hard pressed to support him.

Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2014, 04:51:37 PM
I’m willing to give AI a fair crack.  I’ll reserve my judgement until he has had the opportunity to play all our new signings and mould them into a team, if we are still being served up this overly cautious and unimaginative football after that period then I will be hard pressed to support him.

Keep the faith.

I cant mate. I don't think he wants to play them. And by the time he's forced into it we'll be too far adrift.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 15, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
If Irvine's responsible for the goals we conceded to Everton, then it doesn't matter who plays. His incredible powers of self-destruction would make Lev Yashin backheel a goal kick.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 15, 2014, 05:04:37 PM
Apologies Liam, this was your post way back when he was appointed, but I thought it was worth re-posting. Even after 5 games, it is already easy to identify with the comments and nothing seems to have changed in the way he manages/coaches. For those of you that think things may improve, think again !!

Comments on a Sheffield Wednesday forum:

SiJ - "The worst manager I think I've ever seen. Clueless doesn't even cover it."

Bruce Lee - "Worst Wednesday manager in my lifetime And we've had some serious bobbins"

AndoverOwl - "Liam, you have my deepest sympathy. Although he's got loads of badges"

HuddersOwl - "Have you got any coaching badges??? If not then your not allowed to pass comment "

Eccleshall Owl - "The worst 'manager' I've ever seen at SWFC "

Grandad - "Theworst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. The worst football. The only time I've ever fallen asleep at Hillsborough was watching his football and it happened 3 times.

SiJ - "The man was scared to take on the likes of Bournemouth in League One, so flip knows what sort of approach he'll adopt for when Chelsea, City come to town. "

Random Task - "He made the pitch as wide as legally possible then proceeded to play 4 central midfielders at home with no wingers. "

Watford Owl - "You can look forward to the biggest bypass of a personality that will make you scream for Dave Jones to come and cheer you up afterwards."

Reading Owl - "TBF I never really disliked the bloke. He was just absolutely rubbish."

Mcmigo - " by far the worst manager we've ever had, it is astonishing he has landed a gig in the Premiership."

Taxi Mark - What have WBA done here, he is one of the worst managers I've seen at Hillsboro' ever!"

Alan Harper - I can't even decide what the low point of the Irvine era was. Playing for a point at Cardiff when only a win would have made any difference? Going down with a whimper against Palace, bringing on a midfelder for a striker just after we'd equalised in a win or bust game? Losing 5-1 at Exeter? Failing to win at home against 9 man Yeovil? Losing 4-0 at Leyton Orient with our own fans chanting (hopefully) "you're getting sacked in the morning"?

Miffed - would be laughing if it were any other club, but I feel for the West Brom fans

SWFC_Liam - "Oh my word that's a shocking appointment, he was awful for us. Took us down into League One, and by February had us sitting in the bottom half looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation places. He was appointed at a tough time but he didn't help himself. Sets up very negatively, usually a rigid 4-4-2 with very little fluidity. The best bit about it was he made the pitch at Hillsborough absolutely huge but refused to play with wingers, he used 4 central midfield players all the time"

Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 15, 2014, 05:08:34 PM
....And this

PNE fan here, registered in total peace to give you a PNE perspective on Irvine.

Some of you will remember us as a club that was always up there, near the top of the championship, pushing for play offs but never quite making it. All that changed with Irvines appointment. He single handedly destroyed our club. turned us from a team that were always exciting to watch to one that was as dull as dishwater.

Anyway, here we are, still in div 1, it started with him, and weve never recovered.  The most dreadful boring managerial appointment PNE have ever made.

I wish you luck, youre seriously going to need it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 15, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
Will be awkward/a slight odd reception IF we did get 3 points sunday!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 15, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
And finally to Legend, who seems to have become the most optimistic poster on here. This is what you posted before the season started. What on earth have you seen to suddenly make you think that your original assessment was wrong?

I've looked at his Sheffield Wednesday results before getting sacked, it included one win in eight games in League one and a 5-1 defeat to Exeter and 4-0 defeat to Leyton Orient. The season before in The Championship when he got them relegated he won 1 of the last 10 games. He got sacked from Preston with 1 win in 8 games. So basically when a team goes on a bad run he hasn't got a clue how to stop it. I'm sure he's a good coach and I'm sure he works well with academy players so he would have been a great appointment for the U21 team but as Head Coach it's an abysmal appointment. His style of football is awful too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 15, 2014, 05:20:53 PM
Will be awkward/a slight odd reception IF we did get 3 points sunday!

I would be delighted to get three points on Sunday but it will still not hide the fact that for me personally I will never understand how Irvine was the best man for the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 15, 2014, 05:21:18 PM
I’m willing to give AI a fair crack.  I’ll reserve my judgement until he has had the opportunity to play all our new signings and mould them into a team, if we are still being served up this overly cautious and unimaginative football after that period then I will be hard pressed to support him.

Keep the faith.

Not having a go, but what do you think about Irvine not playing Sessegnon?

Because as far as I understand, he is our most creative and attacking player. I know 'player injuries/gelling' is somewhat relevant but dropping Sessegnon just seems bizarre to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on September 15, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
Not having a go, but what do you think about Irvine not playing Sessegnon?

Because as far as I understand, he is our most creative and attacking player. I know 'player injuries/gelling' is somewhat relevant but dropping Sessegnon just seems bizarre to me.

Sess got a very bad eye injury at training on Tuesday and apparently theres no way he could have been risked playing and risked getting hit in the eye again thats how serious it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 15, 2014, 05:27:58 PM
Has JP got an eye injury as well? He doesn't seem to be able to see what is going on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on September 15, 2014, 05:31:10 PM
Writing seems to be on the wall with that poll result so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 15, 2014, 05:47:04 PM
I would be delighted to get three points on Sunday but it will still not hide the fact that for me personally I will never understand how Irvine was the best man for the job.
and this i think is why there is so much angst amongst the support. The spin the club put on his appointment was utter bullpoo and the majority just cannot comprehend why !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on September 15, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Apologies Liam, this was your post way back when he was appointed, but I thought it was worth re-posting. Even after 5 games, it is already easy to identify with the comments and nothing seems to have changed in the way he manages/coaches. For those of you that think things may improve, think again !!

uthor=LiamTheBaggie link=topic=13829.msg304164#msg304164 date=1402770312]
Comments on a Sheffield Wednesday forum:

SiJ - "The worst manager I think I've ever seen. Clueless doesn't even cover it."

Bruce Lee - "Worst Wednesday manager in my lifetime And we've had some serious bobbins"

AndoverOwl - "Liam, you have my deepest sympathy. Although he's got loads of badges"

HuddersOwl - "Have you got any coaching badges??? If not then your not allowed to pass comment "

Eccleshall Owl - "The worst 'manager' I've ever seen at SWFC "

Grandad - "Theworst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. The worst football. The only time I've ever fallen asleep at Hillsborough was watching his football and it happened 3 times.

SiJ - "The man was scared to take on the likes of Bournemouth in League One, so flip knows what sort of approach he'll adopt for when Chelsea, City come to town. "

Random Task - "He made the pitch as wide as legally possible then proceeded to play 4 central midfielders at home with no wingers. "

Watford Owl - "You can look forward to the biggest bypass of a personality that will make you scream for Dave Jones to come and cheer you up afterwards."

Reading Owl - "TBF I never really disliked the bloke. He was just absolutely rubbish."

Mcmigo - " by far the worst manager we've ever had, it is astonishing he has landed a gig in the Premiership."

Taxi Mark - What have WBA done here, he is one of the worst managers I've seen at Hillsboro' ever!"

Alan Harper - I can't even decide what the low point of the Irvine era was. Playing for a point at Cardiff when only a win would have made any difference? Going down with a whimper against Palace, bringing on a midfelder for a striker just after we'd equalised in a win or bust game? Losing 5-1 at Exeter? Failing to win at home against 9 man Yeovil? Losing 4-0 at Leyton Orient with our own fans chanting (hopefully) "you're getting sacked in the morning"?

Miffed - would be laughing if it were any other club, but I feel for the West Brom fans

SWFC_Liam - "Oh my word that's a shocking appointment, he was awful for us. Took us down into League One, and by February had us sitting in the bottom half looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation places. He was appointed at a tough time but he didn't help himself. Sets up very negatively, usually a rigid 4-4-2 with very little fluidity. The best bit about it was he made the pitch at Hillsborough absolutely huge but refused to play with wingers, he used 4 central midfield players all the time"

Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.

Made me feel even worse  :-\ :-[ :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
Apologies Liam, this was your post way back when he was appointed, but I thought it was worth re-posting. Even after 5 games, it is already easy to identify with the comments and nothing seems to have changed in the way he manages/coaches. For those of you that think things may improve, think again !!

uthor=LiamTheBaggie link=topic=13829.msg304164#msg304164 date=1402770312]
Comments on a Sheffield Wednesday forum:

SiJ - "The worst manager I think I've ever seen. Clueless doesn't even cover it."

Bruce Lee - "Worst Wednesday manager in my lifetime And we've had some serious bobbins"

AndoverOwl - "Liam, you have my deepest sympathy. Although he's got loads of badges"

HuddersOwl - "Have you got any coaching badges??? If not then your not allowed to pass comment "

Eccleshall Owl - "The worst 'manager' I've ever seen at SWFC "

Grandad - "Theworst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. The worst football. The only time I've ever fallen asleep at Hillsborough was watching his football and it happened 3 times.

SiJ - "The man was scared to take on the likes of Bournemouth in League One, so flip knows what sort of approach he'll adopt for when Chelsea, City come to town. "

Random Task - "He made the pitch as wide as legally possible then proceeded to play 4 central midfielders at home with no wingers. "

Watford Owl - "You can look forward to the biggest bypass of a personality that will make you scream for Dave Jones to come and cheer you up afterwards."

Reading Owl - "TBF I never really disliked the bloke. He was just absolutely rubbish."

Mcmigo - " by far the worst manager we've ever had, it is astonishing he has landed a gig in the Premiership."

Taxi Mark - What have WBA done here, he is one of the worst managers I've seen at Hillsboro' ever!"

Alan Harper - I can't even decide what the low point of the Irvine era was. Playing for a point at Cardiff when only a win would have made any difference? Going down with a whimper against Palace, bringing on a midfelder for a striker just after we'd equalised in a win or bust game? Losing 5-1 at Exeter? Failing to win at home against 9 man Yeovil? Losing 4-0 at Leyton Orient with our own fans chanting (hopefully) "you're getting sacked in the morning"?

Miffed - would be laughing if it were any other club, but I feel for the West Brom fans

SWFC_Liam - "Oh my word that's a shocking appointment, he was awful for us. Took us down into League One, and by February had us sitting in the bottom half looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation places. He was appointed at a tough time but he didn't help himself. Sets up very negatively, usually a rigid 4-4-2 with very little fluidity. The best bit about it was he made the pitch at Hillsborough absolutely huge but refused to play with wingers, he used 4 central midfield players all the time"

Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.



Have you passed it on to JP
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 06:46:04 PM
i have just heard someone say on WM that Irvine is a glorified PE teacher
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
Those comments I quoted were just the nice ones on their forum.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2014, 06:54:19 PM
I would be delighted to get three points on Sunday but it will still not hide the fact that for me personally I will never understand how Irvine was the best man for the job.

If Irvine was the best man for the job then surely he was the best man in January when he was out of work?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 15, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
If Irvine was the best man for the job then surely he was the best man in January when he was out of work?

??? I thought he left his job at Everton to work for us? So he's not been out of work for years?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
If Irvine was the best man for the job then surely he was the best man in January when he was out of work?

Good point well put ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on September 15, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
??? I thought he left his job at Everton to work for us? So he's not been out of work for years?


Academy wasnt a real job. Just making sure the soap was topped up in the kids showers probably.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 15, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
Deeply, deeply worrying. That is all. Get a grip JP, allow a manager in with his own coaching staff!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 06:59:59 PM
??? I thought he left his job at Everton to work for us? So he's not been out of work for years?

Notto turn this into a Mel thing. If Irvine was the right man, why not hire him last January instead of Mel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on September 15, 2014, 07:02:59 PM
At the start of the season I was in a very optimistic frame of mind signings made early and a team that looked good on paper with pace and ability,well done j.p. but the biggest mistake looking back is appointing a coach that won't utilise his attacking options I.e. the post above from Sheffield. Weds fans talking about Irvine playing four central midfielders across the park sounds like a formation we'll have to get used to. But the best bit about it is if he's going to play defensive why the hell did he leave a fit lescott out of the team baffles the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
Its time we had a manager to manage all aspects , a coach can assist the manager on the training field.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 15, 2014, 07:24:23 PM

Academy wasnt a real job. Just making sure the soap was topped up in the kids showers probably.

I'd have thought running an Academy is a very hard job indeed in its way, and it seems he was good at it.

Unfortunately I think the range of skills and experience you need to do well with a group of talented kids is completely different to working in the Premier League with a middling to poor side trying to get it to be a fair to middling one.

Again it begs the question, why the hell give the man the gig then?

Anyone who thinks he deserves until Xmas is avin a loff...

...and I can hear the chortles from chez Peace from here. 



 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 07:28:22 PM
Its time we had a manager to manage all aspects , a coach can assist the manager on the training field.

I don't understand the deal with Downing & Kiely though why are they untouchable? Anybody coming in should bring their staff. Its how things evolve
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 15, 2014, 07:29:56 PM
??? I thought he left his job at Everton to work for us? So he's not been out of work for years?

Should have rephrased my point better: I meant out of work in a proper managerial job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 15, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
I keep seeing "until Xmas " , unless there's major improvement quickly I doubt Irvine will see October out. As for waiting until the new players are fit I 'd agree if we had a head coach who actually attacked, pointless giving attacking players to a bloke who doesn't like to leave the half way line.
Matter of time IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on September 15, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
I don't understand the deal with Downing & Kiely though why are they untouchable? Anybody coming in should bring their staff. Its how things evolve

I agree unfortunately the buzz word is not "evolve" but "continuity". JP seems to be under some kind of spell :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on September 15, 2014, 08:09:26 PM
Go now, get Pulis in, the one I called this time last year  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
And finally to Legend, who seems to have become the most optimistic poster on here. This is what you posted before the season started. What on earth have you seen to suddenly make you think that your original assessment was wrong?

I admit on the day he was appointed I couldn't get my head round it and thought it was an awful decision but a few days later I thought why not give him a chance because I thought some of the comments about him from others were over the top. After hearing Peace and Burton explain the decision I come around to the thought that he could do well here and I honestly still believe that he can given time. The large majority don't think so but it's all about opinions.

With the Sheffield Wednesday fans comments well you could compare our comments about Gary Megson to say Bolton or Forest fans. You could look at what the majority of Albion fans think of Mowbray as a manager compared to Celtic and Middlesbrough fans. You could look at how Liverpool or Blackburn fans view Hodgson compared to us. I think Irvine should be judged as West Brom head coach, not what happened elsewhere like I did when he was appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
I admit on the day he was appointed I couldn't get my head round it and thought it was an awful decision but a few days later I thought why not give him a chance because I thought some of the comments about him from others were over the top. After hearing Peace and Burton explain the decision I come around to the thought that he could do well here and I honestly still believe that he can given time. The large majority don't think so but it's all about opinions.

With the Sheffield Wednesday fans comments well you could compare our comments about Gary Megson to say Bolton or Forest fans. You could look at what the majority of Albion fans think of Mowbray as a manager compared to Celtic and Middlesbrough fans. You could look at how Liverpool or Blackburn fans view Hodgson compared to us. I think Irvine should be judged as West Brom head coach, not what happened elsewhere like I did when he was appointed.

The point is that he is being judged as West Brom coach and his performance and tactics over these 5 games which are quite frankly appalling!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on September 15, 2014, 08:39:49 PM
I admit on the day he was appointed I couldn't get my head round it and thought it was an awful decision but a few days later I thought why not give him a chance because I thought some of the comments about him from others were over the top. After hearing Peace and Burton explain the decision I come around to the thought that he could do well here and I honestly still believe that he can given time. The large majority don't think so but it's all about opinions.

With the Sheffield Wednesday fans comments well you could compare our comments about Gary Megson to say Bolton or Forest fans. You could look at what the majority of Albion fans think of Mowbray as a manager compared to Celtic and Middlesbrough fans. You could look at how Liverpool or Blackburn fans view Hodgson compared to us. I think Irvine should be judged as West Brom head coach, not what happened elsewhere like I did when he was appointed

So we have changed the carburettor four times and the car is still playing up.  What next?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 15, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
Hernandaz had no "pre-season" and was waiting for a work permit, but went straight into the Hull team tonight and has just put them 1-0 up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
So we have changed the carburettor four times and the car is still playing up.  What next?

Yes but we have still got some of the old clapped out carburettors in the engine, namely our untouchable assistant coaches who have contributed to the car breaking down with the last 2 head coaches!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 15, 2014, 08:49:26 PM
Hernandaz had no "pre-season" and was waiting for a work permit, but went straight into the Hull team tonight and has just put them 1-0 up

I'm as disappointed as anyone else that our new signings haven't featured but firstly are you sure he didn't have a pre-season for his previous club? Secondly he has also just returned from international duty where he played a part in both games so not sure its even that comparable to some of ours that haven't featured yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 15, 2014, 08:50:56 PM
Yes but we have still got some of the old clapped out carburettors in the engine, namely our untouchable assistant coaches who have contributed to the car breaking down with the last 2 head coaches!
get a new mechanic ? the one trick pony you've been using don't know nowt but carbs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on September 15, 2014, 08:51:10 PM
Yes but we have still got some of the old clapped out carburettors in the engine, namely our untouchable assistant coaches who have contributed to the car breaking down with the last 2 head coaches!

Hmmm...  so you're saying that perhaps the problem lies elsewhere then?  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 15, 2014, 08:55:50 PM
I'm as disappointed as anyone else that our new signings haven't featured but firstly are you sure he didn't have a pre-season for his previous club? Secondly he has also just returned from international duty where he played a part in both games so not sure its even that comparable to some of ours that haven't featured yet.
He has a point I mean why not start gamboa, samaras and Blanco then after 45-60 mins monitor there fitness levels, if I'm wrong and there not fit then I apologize but to me it seems Irvine is being over cautious on this front especially when the ones they would be replacing have been complete gash.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 15, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
Yes but we have still got some of the old clapped out carburettors in the engine, namely our untouchable assistant coaches who have contributed to the car breaking down with the last 2 head coaches!
That's the problem-we still use carbs when everyone else has fuel injection
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 09:00:55 PM
Hmmm...  so you're saying that perhaps the problem lies elsewhere then?  ;)

Yes almost certainly. They undermined Pepe Mel and they should have gone so that he could bring his own coaching staff in. The club is "rotten to the core" with this protection racket that going on where senior players and Downing and Keily are running the club, they failed before and they will take Irvine down as well. Mel wanted to change things and was never given the chance to build his own team. I would have loved to have seen what he could do with the attacking players with have now. But the yes man in charge has to stick with the establishment and it seems like Foster has joined the ranks now!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
Varela was frozen out at Porto and is way behind fitness wise. I'm sure Lescott will be the first name on the team sheet in Irvine's mind but he's just coming back from an injury and needs to be managed properly. Irvine stated he wanted creative wingers so why would he not play them when fully fit?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 09:03:26 PM
He has a point I mean why not start gamboa, samaras and Blanco then after 45-60 mins monitor there fitness levels, if I'm wrong and there not fit then I apologize but to me it seems Irvine is being over cautious on this front especially when the ones they would be replacing have been complete gash.

Irvine being over cautious. You must be mistaking him for someone else!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
I admit on the day he was appointed I couldn't get my head round it and thought it was an awful decision but a few days later I thought why not give him a chance because I thought some of the comments about him from others were over the top. After hearing Peace and Burton explain the decision I come around to the thought that he could do well here and I honestly still believe that he can given time. The large majority don't think so but it's all about opinions.

With the Sheffield Wednesday fans comments well you could compare our comments about Gary Megson to say Bolton or Forest fans. You could look at what the majority of Albion fans think of Mowbray as a manager compared to Celtic and Middlesbrough fans. You could look at how Liverpool or Blackburn fans view Hodgson compared to us. I think Irvine should be judged as West Brom head coach, not what happened elsewhere like I did when he was appointed.

Thng is Megson, Mowbray and Hodgson were all successful getting us promoted and in Roy's case keeping us up. Irvine was good at PNE for awhile but it ended in relegation. He was awful at Wednesday ended in almost a double relegation if it wasn't for Megson. Also don't forget he was Interviewed after Mowbray and lost out to RDM. Why is he suddenly THE man at a level higher than he's ever managed before, when, he's a proven failure not only at Championship but League 1 level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 15, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
He has a point I mean why not start gamboa, samaras and Blanco then after 45-60 mins monitor there fitness levels, if I'm wrong and there not fit then I apologize but to me it seems Irvine is being over cautious on this front especially when the ones they would be replacing have been complete gash.

Don't get me wrong, he is probably just being cautious and it is frustrating as the team that started the first few games is pretty much the same one that has struggled for the last year. We all want the new lads fit and firing as soon as possible but they see the players every day, they have all the medical staff and equipment available to know if they are ready for games or not.

Take fitness out of the equation and there are other issues with new players. Have they had enough time to work on how we want them to play so that they understand fully what their roles are? You mention Blanco and Gamboa what is their English like? Plenty to consider when it comes to choosing a starting XI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 15, 2014, 09:08:29 PM
Don't get me wrong, he is probably just being cautious and it is frustrating as the team that started the first few games is pretty much the same one that has struggled for the last year. We all want the new lads fit and firing as soon as possible but they see the players every day, they have all the medical staff and equipment available to know if they are ready for games or not.

Take fitness out of the equation and there are other issues with new players. Have they had enough time to work on how we want them to play so that they understand fully what their roles are? You mention Blanco and Gamboa what is their English like? Plenty to consider when it comes to choosing a starting XI.
I don't know abot the others but Gamboa's English is better than Irvines
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
Don't get me wrong, he is probably just being cautious and it is frustrating as the team that started the first few games is pretty much the same one that has struggled for the last year. We all want the new lads fit and firing as soon as possible but they see the players every day, they have all the medical staff and equipment available to know if they are ready for games or not.

Take fitness out of the equation and there are other issues with new players. Have they had enough time to work on how we want them to play so that they understand fully what their roles are? You mention Blanco and Gamboa what is their English like? Plenty to consider when it comes to choosing a starting XI.

I think that we all know how he wants them to play. Flat 4-4-2 with no width!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on September 15, 2014, 09:18:41 PM
Varela was frozen out at Porto and is way behind fitness wise. I'm sure Lescott will be the first name on the team sheet in Irvine's mind but he's just coming back from an injury and needs to be managed properly. Irvine stated he wanted creative wingers so why would he not play them when fully fit?

Strange how Varela was fit enough to play in the World Cup!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on September 15, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
The decision has been made to employ him as manager so he has to be given more time than this by the board. For that reason, I don't want him to go at this moment.

Whatever people's opinions on him, he has still not been able to use Joleon Lescott or Silvestre Varela AT ALL, he has only had a very small opportunity (a final 20 minutes) to use Sebastian Blanco and Georgios Samaras and he is also waiting for Jason Davidson and Christian Gamboa to get up to speed. He has had more time with Seb Pocognoli and Brown Ideye but both have also missed time with the team so far. Of our new signings, only really Craig Gardner and Andre Wisdom have been entirely available to use and neither of them are game changing players.

I'm not really defending the start to the season. 1 goal from open play scored by an Albion player in our first 5 games, that coming in the first game of that stretch, and conceding 7 in our first 4 in the league, as well as failing to win (discounting lottery penalties) in our first 5, very winnable games. All of this while playing increasingly flat and unimaginative football (just as warned by Preston and Wednesday fans).

You can't just sack him now though, not until he has had the chance to mould the full squad. Steve Madeley has made some good points in the aftermath of the game. People criticised the team selection on Saturday but it is hard to really pick a different team to the one he picked, other than bringing in a more defensive Yacob to add better balance to the midfield and maybe going 451 instead of 442 (but even then the midfield would have had little balance as the only real way of doing to would have been to drop one of Ideye or Berahino with no attacking wide men).

My money is on Irvine failing - he was the wrong choice and I said it at the time. But until he has had 4 or 5 games with a full squad then we can't pull the trigger. Not just yet. We are just going to have to grin and bear it until then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 09:20:21 PM
I'm as disappointed as anyone else that our new signings haven't featured but firstly are you sure he didn't have a pre-season for his previous club? Secondly he has also just returned from international duty where he played a part in both games so not sure its even that comparable to some of ours that haven't featured yet.
Don't let facts get in the way of opinions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 15, 2014, 09:21:43 PM
Irvine will be gone on Sunday, I'm sure of it with the fixtures coming up!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 09:26:57 PM
Thng is Megson, Mowbray and Hodgson were all successful getting us promoted and in Roy's case keeping us up. Irvine was good at PNE for awhile but it ended in relegation. He was awful at Wednesday ended in almost a double relegation if it wasn't for Megson. Also don't forget he was Interviewed after Mowbray and lost out to RDM. Why is he suddenly THE man at a level higher than he's ever managed before, when, he's a proven failure not only at Championship but League 1 level.
Did he lose out to RDM? :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 09:28:48 PM
I think that we all know how he wants them to play. Flat 4-4-2 with no width!
You think you know how he wants them to play ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 15, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
Strange how Varela was fit enough to play in the World Cup!

He came off the bench once or twice. He missed Porto's pre season tour apparently which didn't help.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 09:34:18 PM
Did he lose out to RDM? :-X

Yep he was the other Candidate
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 09:35:56 PM
Yep he was the other Candidate
Who was offered the job first, (allegedly) and clearly made enough of an impression to be targeted again. No doubt more ammunition to be used against him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on September 15, 2014, 09:39:32 PM
He came off the bench once or twice. He missed Porto's pre season tour apparently which didn't help.

The fact he was in the squad suggests he was fit enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 15, 2014, 09:50:03 PM
He came off the bench once or twice. He missed Porto's pre season tour apparently which didn't

 I think the point people are making is that maybe we are being over cautious?!

The only way to know is to play them in a match. Nobody played tonight for the under 21s so surely we must assume that they are all fit enough? Signed Varela nearly 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2014, 09:55:05 PM
Interesting contrast that Steve Bruce mentioned that Ben Arfa was a few pounds overweight when he arrived, yet he played in Tuesday's 'friendly' game against us and came on for the last 15 against West Ham tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 15, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
I'm going to say that apart from Pog I havent seen a new signing worth dick.
I'll reserve my judgement on those that havent played but I fear we have signed a bunch of has beens and some never going to be.
On paper the team looks stronger but in reality we are garbage. Too many players living on past seasons form. Way too much dead wood.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on September 15, 2014, 09:58:03 PM
Who was offered the job first, (allegedly) and clearly made enough of an impression to be targeted again. No doubt more ammunition to be used against him.

No just stating what happened His performances here and elsewhere will ultimatly speak for him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on September 15, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
I must say in all the years watching Albion I have never known it take so long to introduce new signings. Normally you sign a player and chuck him straight in, yet this clown in charge isn't doing this, why ? When Gamboa and Blanco came on there was so much more energy and it was more direct. I don't get the bullshite that they are not fit etc etc..a ugh I knew who played semi pro football had his own routine through the summer and was never in a situation when he wasn't fit enough.

By the way has Irvine had a new watch or was it a new kind of gizmo which was going to give him the answer of how to beat Everton...

Mark my words...he will be sacked by Sunday week after an inept 0-0 draw against Burnley
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andzy on September 15, 2014, 10:05:34 PM
To be honest when Irvine does go downing and kiely have to shoulder some responsibility and pack up and leave with him.
We have got to break this old pals act going on we need a strong head coach that's not afraid to drop anyone.
And this is the big one for me we need a leader on that pitch and it's certainly not Chris brunt I would hand it to mulumbu.
To me ever since brunt was made captain he's been a shadow of the player we know he can be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
For all the conspiracy theorists, if Irvine only wants to play negative football how much influence did he have in bringing Blanco, Varela and Samaras to the club? Last three players to be brought in, two months after he was employed. My understanding of our recruitment process is that coach and director of football identify the areas that need strengthening and the backroom staff identify the players that fit the bill and are available in our price bracket? Why bring in any wingers? JP rarely wastes his money. Or maybe they aren't actually ready to play yet.   :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
To be honest when Irvine does go downing and kiely have to shoulder some responsibility and pack up and leave with him.
We have got to break this old pals act going on we need a strong head coach that's not afraid to drop anyone.
And this is the big one for me we need a leader on that pitch and it's certainly not Chris brunt I would hand it to mulumbu.
To me ever since brunt was made captain he's been a shadow of the player we know he can be.

Does Rob Kelly do anything as assistant head coach or is he just picking up a wage whilst Downing and Kiely run everything?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggieNick on September 15, 2014, 10:23:05 PM
A poor penny-pinching and frankly baffling managerial a appointment has gone totally tits up.

Employing a dinosaur like Burton didn't help of course and a 10m (chortle) striker that makes Anichibe look like a superb acquisition. Yep, we've purchased some rubbish again folks.

Solution - only one. Sack Irvine NOW and send Keef and Dean with him. Who to go for? Oculus in a heartbeat; would keep us up. Not ideal but we are West Brom and given our constructions we're hardly a catch. Second would be Jol. To be honest I'd have had Brian Little back before Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 10:24:10 PM
You think you know how he wants them to play ;)

No that's the way he plays has done everywhere he has been, not using the players at his disposal will ultimately cost him his job. Never mind uncle Keith and uncle Dean can look after the boys!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on September 15, 2014, 10:36:50 PM
Although the start to our season has been lacklustre and underwhelming, Irvine and his team have to be given a reasonable amount of time to show what they can do. We'll have a better idea in a month or two and that still won't be too late to change things around if necessary. And remember, on Saturday it wasn't the new players' fault - crucial mistakes were made by Olsson and Foster, two experienced Albion stalwarts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 15, 2014, 10:42:49 PM
Although the start to our season has been lacklustre and underwhelming, Irvine and his team have to be given a reasonable amount of time to show what they can do. We'll have a better idea in a month or two and that still won't be too late to change things around if necessary. And remember, on Saturday it wasn't the new players' fault - crucial mistakes were made by Olsson and Foster, two experienced Albion stalwarts.

I really don't think that we have a month or two. Two games at most. If we have to change it, it must be sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 15, 2014, 10:53:09 PM
No that's the way he plays has done everywhere he has been, not using the players at his disposal will ultimately cost him his job. Never mind uncle Keith and uncle Dean can look after the boys!
I suggest you read the posts by Quakes Fan earlier in this thread which actually puts into context his time at Preston and Sheff Wed ;-)

Had a more than 40% win ratio at both clubs, better than most of the managers that managed the clubs during similar period, not bad return for such negativity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 15, 2014, 11:13:36 PM
The manner of the displays has left much to be desired and I'd far far rather pepe Mel was still around. But we're possibly 2 points down on what I'd have called a good return. Possibly a draw with Everton and maybe a win vs Sunderland. But the draw against Southampton is a bonus in my book! If we lose to spurs. Lets not all go mad! I totally agree with the view he seems very negative. But we're hardly adrift!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 11:28:15 PM
For all the conspiracy theorists, if Irvine only wants to play negative football how much influence did he have in bringing Blanco, Varela and Samaras to the club? Last three players to be brought in, two months after he was employed. My understanding of our recruitment process is that coach and director of football identify the areas that need strengthening and the backroom staff identify the players that fit the bill and are available in our price bracket? Why bring in any wingers? JP rarely wastes his money. Or maybe they aren't actually ready to play yet.   :-X

Probably not much, we needed wingers and he had them put to him probably. Not in a position to say no. As far as I know, the head coach's say is sometimes fairly limited. Much like Thievy its more a case of "if you want a striker, you get him or no one".

It remains to be seen just how negative he is, but its a great concern that the only player in the squad who can actually take players on, and has a bit of creativity, Sessegnon, was benched in favour of workhorses for the Swansea game.

The manner of the displays has left much to be desired and I'd far far rather pepe Mel was still around. But we're possibly 2 points down on what I'd have called a good return. Possibly a draw with Everton and maybe a win vs Sunderland. But the draw against Southampton is a bonus in my book! If we lose to spurs. Lets not all go mad! I totally agree with the view he seems very negative. But we're hardly adrift!

The football under Mel was just as bad, its hilarious how rose tinted the view is. We were absolutely shocking. The last 3 games of the season, The 2-0 loss at Hull, the 3-1 loss at Palace, the 3-0 to Man U.... These were all dreadful games that we didn't get in at all and looked basically exactly how we have done the last 2 games. The guy had a 17% win record, that's amongst the worst to have ever been in the premier league.

After the Palace game all evidence points to the fact it was almost certainly Downing's tactic's anyway. Funny how people were so vehemently against Downing yet somehow thought our football improved when it was basically his tactics. I personally didn't, but there were a lot of people who seemed to think we did.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on September 15, 2014, 11:31:37 PM
Please can we stop the mistake of thinking a head coach is not the same on match day as a manager.
The most important thing imo that both should have is a tactical awareness of what is happening on the pitch and what to do to affect it.
I agree that the head coach does not always have the players he may always want, but i dont honestly think this squad we now have, is bottom 3 potential.
From what i have seen so far its not promising, but we must give the bloke a little more time now the squad is fully fit, or how else can you explain that no senior players were involved tonight.
I think it will be xmas before we have any idea if he is the right man and we are all wrong, or we are doomed to play the dingles next year god forbid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 16, 2014, 01:13:38 AM
I admit on the day he was appointed I couldn't get my head round it and thought it was an awful decision but a few days later I thought why not give him a chance because I thought some of the comments about him from others were over the top. After hearing Peace and Burton explain the decision I come around to the thought that he could do well here and I honestly still believe that he can given time. The large majority don't think so but it's all about opinions.

With the Sheffield Wednesday fans comments well you could compare our comments about Gary Megson to say Bolton or Forest fans. You could look at what the majority of Albion fans think of Mowbray as a manager compared to Celtic and Middlesbrough fans. You could look at how Liverpool or Blackburn fans view Hodgson compared to us. I think Irvine should be judged as West Brom head coach, not what happened elsewhere like I did when he was appointed.

This could also be interpreted as spin by the club (JP) in justifying their decision and a response to the backlash from the fans.

I am still at a loss how a man that failed at 2 previous clubs in lower divisions can somehow be considered a good appointment at the highest level in England.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 16, 2014, 06:23:34 AM
Please can we stop the mistake of thinking a head coach is not the same on match day as a manager.
The most important thing imo that both should have is a tactical awareness of what is happening on the pitch and what to do to affect it.
I agree that the head coach does not always have the players he may always want, but i dont honestly think this squad we now have, is bottom 3 potential.
From what i have seen so far its not promising, but we must give the bloke a little more time now the squad is fully fit, or how else can you explain that no senior players were involved tonight.
I think it will be xmas before we have any idea if he is the right man and we are all wrong, or we are doomed to play the dingles next year god forbid.

We will not be playing the Dingles next season at this rate, they will be promoted and we will go down..the nightmare scenario...they will then claim their Kings of The Black Country status they crave and we will face oblivion.

Irvine has two games to keep his job IMO. We should expect 4 points from the next two fixtures at best and 3 at the very least. My optimistic side thinks we will get a result at Spuds, dont know why really.

But we have to start the new guys and if we have to, blood a few youngsters, we are in a classic rebuild situation but our coaching staff seems to be unaware of this.. But there is no other way, its a risk that we must take while we still have time. Whether this coaching staff will do it is another matter...if they dont the poisonous atmosphere will worsen, god forbid.

Its tricky for any manager ( sorry head coach) in such a results oriented and toxic atmosphere to risk even more wrath by taking a chance, but we do seem to be trying not to lose which just isn't the same as winning. And any team with this outlook  is totally crushed by an early goal...

I dont know whats for the best TBH, i just cannot stand the position we are currently in, a Premiership laughing stock, toxic fans, a coaching team that seems to think its on a luxury cruise, new players we cant play , new players that have disappeared. We are only four games in FGS and look at us!

And its all our fault...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2014, 07:18:42 AM
The football under Mel was just as bad, its hilarious how rose tinted the view is. We were absolutely shocking. The last 3 games of the season, The 2-0 loss at Hull, the 3-1 loss at Palace, the 3-0 to Man U.... These were all dreadful games that we didn't get in at all and looked basically exactly how we have done the last 2 games. The guy had a 17% win record, that's amongst the worst to have ever been in the premier league.
That's because he was stitched up like a kipper by all and sundry and never had the opportunity to bring in players who were better suited for his preferred style of play. On the rare occasions where we did use his pressing style, we actually looked very good!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2014, 08:12:17 AM
The football under Mel was much more pleasing on the eye how anyone can say any different is beyond me.If only Mel had been given a smidgen in resources as what Ted has had.Loose the next 2 and he will be gone.1 point will most likely drag it on a little longer, then come Liverpool and Man Utd
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 08:17:40 AM
I suggest you read the posts by Quakes Fan earlier in this thread which actually puts into context his time at Preston and Sheff Wed ;-)

Had a more than 40% win ratio at both clubs, better than most of the managers that managed the clubs during similar period, not bad return for such negativity.
It is quite interesting what a bit of research shows rather than relying on gossip on internet forums.

His "failures" in a bit more context.

Made manager of Preston when they were 21st in the division and fighting a relegation battle and finished 15th, failure?  Following season got them in the play offs, failure? Sacked in 2009 when in 16th position (ended in 17th) and Preston fans demonstrated about his sacking, failure?
Appointed Sheff Wednesday manager 9 days after getting the sack from Preston (impressive turn around) when they were in 22nd but didn't keep them up. Failure?
Was the 7th manager of Sheff Wednesday in 10 years, prior to his appointment SW avoided relegation on the last day of the season, then finished 12th and were in a relegation spot when he joined. They went into administration 3 months after he arrived and was dismissed by a new chairman a month after he arrived at the club with the club in 15th. Arguably his time at Sheff Wed was a failure, but in the context of the club at the time anything but failure would probably have been a miracle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 16, 2014, 08:41:23 AM
It is quite interesting what a bit of research shows rather than relying on gossip on internet forums.

His "failures" in a bit more context.

Made manager of Preston when they were 21st in the division and fighting a relegation battle and finished 15th, failure?  Following season got them in the play offs, failure? Sacked in 2009 when in 16th position (ended in 17th) and Preston fans demonstrated about his sacking, failure?
Appointed Sheff Wednesday manager 9 days after getting the sack from Preston (impressive turn around) when they were in 22nd but didn't keep them up. Failure?
Was the 7th manager of Sheff Wednesday in 10 years, prior to his appointment SW avoided relegation on the last day of the season, then finished 12th and were in a relegation spot when he joined. They went into administration 3 months after he arrived and was dismissed by a new chairman a month after he arrived at the club with the club in 15th. Arguably his time at Sheff Wed was a failure, but in the context of the club at the time anything but failure would probably have been a miracle.

The above may well be the case - however the football witnessed thus far is drab and negative. If you're suggesting his record is good enough for West Brom. I suggest we sell the entire squad and buy players who have (generally) never played above mid-table in the championship!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 16, 2014, 08:44:48 AM
It is quite interesting what a bit of research shows rather than relying on gossip on internet forums.

His "failures" in a bit more context.

Made manager of Preston when they were 21st in the division and fighting a relegation battle and finished 15th, failure?  Following season got them in the play offs, failure? Sacked in 2009 when in 16th position (ended in 17th) and Preston fans demonstrated about his sacking, failure?
Appointed Sheff Wednesday manager 9 days after getting the sack from Preston (impressive turn around) when they were in 22nd but didn't keep them up. Failure?
Was the 7th manager of Sheff Wednesday in 10 years, prior to his appointment SW avoided relegation on the last day of the season, then finished 12th and were in a relegation spot when he joined. They went into administration 3 months after he arrived and was dismissed by a new chairman a month after he arrived at the club with the club in 15th. Arguably his time at Sheff Wed was a failure, but in the context of the club at the time anything but failure would probably have been a miracle.

I guess the counter argument to that is - if he was so good or even solid, why hasn't he been in management since? ,,,,,,,, which makes me wonder ...............has he even wanted to be since?  Has he applied for managers jobs in between times?  Or have we head hunted someone who had no burning desire to return to management but we gave him an opportunity too tempting to refuse?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 16, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
Interesting contrast that Steve Bruce mentioned that Ben Arfa was a few pounds overweight when he arrived, yet he played in Tuesday's 'friendly' game against us and came on for the last 15 against West Ham tonight.


Well i was led to believe that there is a big difference between being fit & match fit & that the above post is the way a player obtains match fitness.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2014, 08:59:57 AM
Sacked wherever he as been as a head, hes a failure
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 09:01:28 AM
The football under Mel was much more pleasing on the eye how anyone can say any different is beyond me.If only Mel had been given a smidgen in resources as what Ted has had.Loose the next 2 and he will be gone.1 point will most likely drag it on a little longer, then come Liverpool and Man Utd
Can we make up our mind, was it Mel or was it Downing and Kiely or was it all the good things Mel and all the bad stuff Downing and Kiely?

Irvine failure at Preston and Sheff W with win percentage of 40%, Mel not a failure with a win percentage of 17.65%. I am not criticising Mel because I agree he wasn't particularly given a chance but pointing out that similar could have been said about Irvine and people are choosing to ignore this.Arguably Mel had four months to show Peace that given the resources he was the man to take us forward. Peace knew he was overhauling the playing staff and clearly Mel failed to do this.  In some respects Mel  only did exactly what I could do (if I wanted) talk a good game but actually fail to achieve anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
Sacked wherever he as been as a head, hes a failure
Pepe Mel sacked at Rayo,  Real Betis and West brom, failure?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 09:20:17 AM
The above may well be the case - however the football witnessed thus far is drab and negative. If you're suggesting his record is good enough for West Brom. I suggest we sell the entire squad and buy players who have (generally) never played above mid-table in the championship!

Four league matches and a squad that has never been fully available since he arrived.   ???

And it hasn't all been drab but we can gloss over that. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 16, 2014, 09:20:46 AM
It is quite interesting what a bit of research shows rather than relying on gossip on internet forums.

His "failures" in a bit more context.

Made manager of Preston when they were 21st in the division and fighting a relegation battle and finished 15th, failure?  Following season got them in the play offs, failure? Sacked in 2009 when in 16th position (ended in 17th) and Preston fans demonstrated about his sacking, failure?
Appointed Sheff Wednesday manager 9 days after getting the sack from Preston (impressive turn around) when they were in 22nd but didn't keep them up. Failure?
Was the 7th manager of Sheff Wednesday in 10 years, prior to his appointment SW avoided relegation on the last day of the season, then finished 12th and were in a relegation spot when he joined. They went into administration 3 months after he arrived and was dismissed by a new chairman a month after he arrived at the club with the club in 15th. Arguably his time at Sheff Wed was a failure, but in the context of the club at the time anything but failure would probably have been a miracle.

That was his record in the Championship and League 1. This is the Premier League! at totally different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 16, 2014, 09:22:41 AM
Four league matches and a squad that has never been fully available since he arrived.   ???

And it hasn't all been drab but we can gloss over that. ;)

A 20 minute spell against Sunderland and the rest has been unacceptable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 09:27:20 AM
I guess the counter argument to that is - if he was so good or even solid, why hasn't he been in management since? ,,,,,,,, which makes me wonder ...............has he even wanted to be since?  Has he applied for managers jobs in between times?  Or have we head hunted someone who had no burning desire to return to management but we gave him an opportunity too tempting to refuse?
That is one he would have to answer himself, any other answer is mere speculation.

Plenty of managers have spells out of the game though, whether by choice or lack of opportunity.  Roy Keane and Glen Hoddle have come back as number twos, Alan Curbishley has been gone ages. David Moyes, Tony Pulis (shudder)...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 16, 2014, 09:32:02 AM
It seems to me that Irvine is a Monday to Friday manager. He is apparently very meticulous in his preparation and analysis and the players appreciate his methods.
However, and I said this tongue in cheek earlier, but there may be some substance to it, every Saturday the opposition turn up and get in the way. He then struggles to adapt and react to what happens on the day, hence his statuesque 'well I never expected that' touchline appearance and reluctance to change formations and personnel.
His fastidious approach could also impact on the missing newcomers. He obviously puts great stock in the fitness of the players and maybe he deems them not fit, whereby another manager might assess the situation and think them worth the risk.
If he wants to keep his job and turn it around he needs to stop hamstringing himself, become more flexible and take some risks.
Throw yeah cock and balls at it Alan, it's your last chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 09:49:38 AM
That was his record in the Championship and League 1. This is the Premier League! at totally different kettle of fish.
How did Brendan Rogers get on with Reading in the Championship?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 16, 2014, 09:59:49 AM
How did Brendan Rogers get on with Reading in the Championship?

Two totally different mind sets like comparing chalk & cheese.
They are totally different were it counts most & thats on a match day monday - friday they both know what there up to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 16, 2014, 10:24:36 AM

I wish I had the interest to even discuss the bloke.

As it is, I haven't.

Get him gone.

I want to ask him this question.

'If all of the new signings are still not match fit, could you give us an indication as to why none of them were involved in the U21 match on Monday evening?'

Bottom line is he's got no interest in playing them (Lescott aside). Ridiculous management.

If he had a brain, he'd be dangerous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 16, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
I wish I had the interest to even discuss the bloke.

As it is, I haven't.

Get him gone.

I want to ask him this question.

'If all of the new signings are still not match fit, could you give us an indication as to why none of them were involved in the U21 match on Monday evening?'


Bottom line is he's got no interest in playing them (Lescott aside). Ridiculous management.

If he had a brain, he'd be dangerous.
Exactly my thoughts when I saw the U21 team selection. Looks like he had already been brainwashed into becoming part of the deadly duo's chummy pals setup. Same team Sunday then!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 16, 2014, 10:43:04 AM
Exactly my thoughts when I saw the U21 team selection. Looks like he had already been brainwashed into becoming part of the deadly duo's chummy pals setup. Same team Sunday then!
Do you really think Peace will sit around and watch players he has paid good money for sit about doing nothing?
Worst way to wind Jezza up is not losing games it's wasting his cash.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 16, 2014, 10:46:38 AM
Has it actually been explained anywhere, by Irvine or anyone else, why Varela and Lescott weren't even in the squad on Saturday? I may have missed it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 16, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
It's all good and well saying wait until everyone is fit. When they are which of the sacred cows is Irvine going to be brave enough to drop? Olsson and Brunt must go for starters IMO. Whether they will is a different matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 16, 2014, 11:03:56 AM

Interested to hear your thoughts.

If Albion lose narrowly on Sunday and show improvement, I expect AI to be given the cup game and the Burnley game.

However, if we lose heavily I expect JP to get the 'AK47' out on Sunday evening/Monday.

In some ways, if we lose Sunday, I'd rather him go then because I wouldn't be able to trust him with the Burnley game.

That's a match we HAVE to win, to stand any chance in my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 16, 2014, 11:13:16 AM
I saw a tweet this morning mentioning that Irvine had been given 4 weeks to save his job.

Spurs (a)
Hull (h) cup
Burnley (h)
Liverpool (a)

Good luck then Al, you'll need it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 16, 2014, 11:18:20 AM
I feel sorry for the bloke to be honest. He's dreadfully out of his depth as it is but to expect him to work miracles with this garbage squad, full of "senior pros" who run the club along with Dumb and Dumber on the touchline. That said, the bloke is absolutely clueless and I can't wait until he's gone. He's not the whole problem, but he is a massive hindrance.

We really do need a massive shake up and a complete overhaul of the structure at the club. Downing and Kiely need to go for starters. Irvine and Burton, the footballing dinosaurs, get rid. Start again and give someone with a pair of balls who won't take any nonsense from the "senior pros" the job of MANAGER of West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 16, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
I saw a tweet this morning mentioning that Irvine had been given 4 weeks to save his job.

Spurs (a)
Hull (h) cup
Burnley (h)
Liverpool (a)

Good luck then Al, you'll need it.

Liverpool is one game too many IMO.

Here's how I see it from my POV:

Spurs: We may well lose, but if the team goes down fighting and shows more enterprise going forward then I'll given AI the benefit of the doubt.

Hull: I want a win no question. But that doesn't necessarily mean I expect one. Lose that (especially if we lose meekly) and the pressure will build from more of us in the stands.

Burnley: A tepid draw or a loss and that'll be it for me, and I dare say a lot of others like me in the stands.

BUT the question is how will JP see it? I guess that all depends on how willing and understanding he is as regards the 'they aren't all match fit yet' reasoning. And it also depends on how much his head has been turned by other coaches currently- or soon to be- available on the market.

And it's the JP factor I have no insight into but which interests me the most.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 11:30:28 AM
Two totally different mind sets like comparing chalk & cheese.
They are totally different were it counts most & thats on a match day monday - friday they both know what there up to.
Not the point, if Liverpool had not looked beyond Rodger's "failure" at Reading they wouldn't necessarily be playing Champions League football this season. They also only got two points out of their first five league matches under his charge.  :-X
Again, not suggesting Irvine will be as successful as Rodgers (we don't have Liverpool's resource) but needs to be given a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
I saw a tweet this morning mentioning that Irvine had been given 4 weeks to save his job.

Spurs (a)
Hull (h) cup
Burnley (h)
Liverpool (a)

Good luck then Al, you'll need it.
What is JP or Martin Swains twitter account because I'd like to follow them?  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 16, 2014, 11:35:05 AM
Not the point, if Liverpool had not looked beyond Rodger's "failure" at Reading they wouldn't necessarily be playing Champions League football this season. They also only got two points out of their first five league matches under his charge.  :-X
Again, not suggesting Irvine will be as successful as Rodgers (we don't have Liverpool's resource) but needs to be given a chance.

Given a chance to absolutely ruin us and coach any attacking flair and creativity out of our squad? No ta.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 11:40:48 AM
Given a chance to absolutely ruin us and coach any attacking flair and creativity out of our squad? No ta.
Because you know that is happening.   ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on September 16, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Because you know that is happening.   ::)


Most of us knew it was going to happen the second Irvine was appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 16, 2014, 11:44:43 AM
Because you know that is happening.   ::)

Do you know it's not?

You can post all the sarcastic comments, rolling eye emojis and positive spin you want, it will never make Alan Irvine any less of a clueless head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 16, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
One thing I have noticed about our play, which, whilst it certainly is not solely Irvines fault, but has been made worse since he came is our transitional play.

Moving from defence to attack is so slow. I watched the hull game last night and both teams were quick going forward from defence. You watch Foster look about for ages, then ping a kick straight into the crowd, then you look at other keepers quickly getting the ball out. Not Fosters fault, but more to do with our slow labouring team, constantly plodding around.

If he wants to set up defensively, he needs to have an element of pace to be able to counter teams once we regain possession. Picking a team with the likes of Brunt Dorrans Morrison and Gardner in the middle does him no favours when adopting this style.

As one of the 'best coaches' available, he should be able to rectify these things.

In short, he hasn't got a clue
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 12:01:37 PM
Do you know it's not?

You can post all the sarcastic comments, rolling eye emojis and positive spin you want, it will never make Alan Irvine any less of a clueless prat.

I only post sarcastic comments when the posts deserve them.

I don't know what goes on the training field any more than you do but I don't also suggest that I do. However, there are enough people at the club that do and if "the clueless prat" is coaching attacking flair and creativity out of the squad then he will no doubt be getting his P45 in due course and I imagine a huge compensation payout. (Maybe not that clueless)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 16, 2014, 12:13:33 PM

Craig Gardner has urged fans to be patient with Alan Irvine.

Nar, not for me thank you.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on September 16, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
I think that the majority agree Mr Irvine was the wrong choice.

After the initial 'shock' of his appointment I think most hoped the decision was an inspired one and one in which we would look back on and think, that was brave but it worked.

Sadly, it has very quickly moved from the brave to the very stupid.

To add insult Burton added his two pence worth by stating Irvine is one of the best coaches around.

JP back this decision also.

So now we're stuck with a chairman who has either got to stick with the head coach we have and hopes it works out, or he comes out admits he is wrong (for the second time in less than a year) and sack him.

I know which one is more likely to happen.

For that reason alone I think we are stuck with Irvine for the short term.

Ironically, the squad we have now is probably better suited to Mel, and the one he had is probably more suited to Irvine.

JP has been known to act quickly in certain situations, such as Di Matteo's replacement, but also could be accused of acting too slow such as the stuff with Odemwingie.

My head says we will be gone just after Christmas, my heart hopes that Irvine turns this around.

For me JP needs to scrap the 'head coach' role, get rid of Downing & Irvine and replace them with a bloke who can knock a few heads together and get them sorted.

We need a manager not a coach, that has been clear for some time now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 16, 2014, 12:18:22 PM
He's going going and hopefully soon to be gone. Disasterous appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 12:19:42 PM
He's going going and hopefully soon to be gone. Disasterous appointment.

Gut feeling mate or something more concrete?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on September 16, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
He's going going and hopefully soon to be gone. Disasterous appointment.

I don't share you optimism.

I think he'll be here for some time yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on September 16, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
I think after my initial get Irvine feeling after the performance the weekend I may have calmed by thoughts a little.

I'm not convinced by his team selection on Saturday but was that the best available? If it is then my only concern over his selection is why are we not playing Yacob.
Brown I fear is to lightweight at present and could take the best part of the season becoming used to playing in the prem like Valero did.
Its obvious Irvine wants to play 3-5-2 which should provide us with attacking football but the players are just not ready.

I'm not a brunt fan and hope that when the new players are ready he will become a squad player, if he still starts every game then Irvine is a fool.

Until the squad is fit and we know where we are player wise I think we need to back the team as we will only make things harder by booing etc.

If when the squad is fit and available we are still playing like we did on Saturday then ill be the first there with an Irvine out banner!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 16, 2014, 12:27:35 PM
Gut feeling mate or something more concrete?

The signs are that the board now know he's not the next Roy Hodgson, probably get a bit more time for when the players are fit. But the club were annoyed with the arrangement of a friendly last week and then not one of the players who it was for played the weekend from the start. Irvine needs to take some risks with the players fitness as it has never been an issue before, think Odemwingie. Even for other clubs, Ben arfa has had less pre season than any of our other signings yet manages to play last night for 15-20 mins. Varela, in a slightly better situation is no where near our team at the moment. Truly baffling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 16, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
well continuing on from baggie96, if we get beat heavily at Spurs he'll be gone if we don't he will get the cup game and Burnley
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 16, 2014, 01:00:35 PM
well continuing on from baggie96, if we get beat heavily at Spurs he'll be gone if we don't he will get the cup game and Burnley

That sounds about right. Having said that, decision much depends on who's available?

If anything stops them, that will be the only reason, for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
That sounds about right. Having said that, decision much depends on who's available?

If anything stops them, that will be the only reason, for sure.

An agent on twitter suggested Pulis would be favourite and would be interested. Though other rumours are linking him with Cardiff and Fulham.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 16, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
I'm pretty sure no appointment could be any worse than this one but does anyone really trust the club to get the next one right? I've lost all faith in the clubs recruitment both staff and player wise. It seems to have fallen apart over the last 18 months.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
The signs are that the board now know he's not the next Roy Hodgson, probably get a bit more time for when the players are fit. But the club were annoyed with the arrangement of a friendly last week and then not one of the players who it was for played the weekend from the start. Irvine needs to take some risks with the players fitness as it has never been an issue before, think Odemwingie. Even for other clubs, Ben arfa has had less pre season than any of our other signings yet manages to play last night for 15-20 mins. Varela, in a slightly better situation is no where near our team at the moment. Truly baffling

They could have saved themselves a lot of heartache by just asking me if this was even remotely likely before they "head hunted" him. Still can't get over that part, 6 weeks due diligence and no one who applied got the gig.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 16, 2014, 01:10:45 PM
If when the squad is fit and available we are still playing like we did on Saturday then ill be the first there with an Irvine out banner!!!!

Could I therefore suggest you get to work on one this evening after work, best to be prepared  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 01:12:11 PM
I'm pretty sure no appointment could be any worse than this one but does anyone really trust the club to get the next one right? I've lost all faith in the clubs recruitment both staff and player wise. It seems to have fallen apart over the last 18 months.

If it was Pulis, I wouldn't even be worried about Downing and Kiely staying because there would be no blurred lines, no confusion who was actually in charge, no "we do it this way here". They'd have to fall in line or their roles would be marginalised by TP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 16, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
well continuing on from baggie96, if we get beat heavily at Spurs he'll be gone if we don't he will get the cup game and Burnley

Says who?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 16, 2014, 01:21:59 PM
If it was Pulis, I wouldn't even be worried about Downing and Kiely staying because there would be no blurred lines, no confusion who was actually in charge, no "we do it this way here". They'd have to fall in line or their roles would be marginalised by TP.

I'd be delighted with Pulis, I'm sure a lot wouldn't be but he is exactly what we need at the moment to come in and really shake things up. Would he be interested in working within the current set up or will JP finally see things are not working and look to do it differently?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
Says who?

We can but hope SM.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
Right ok then here goes
The next 4 games
Tottenham
Burnley
Livepool
Man utd
How many points will save his skin
We then have a run of 3 winnable games but i said that at the start of the season. Palace, Leicester, Newcastle
We then have Arsenal and Chelsea
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 16, 2014, 01:24:34 PM
aint it funny 12 months ago we would have said noooooooooooooo to Pulis but i like many consider him god now :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 16, 2014, 01:24:50 PM
Says who?

i just did  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 16, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
aint it funny 12 months ago we would have said noooooooooooooo to Pulis but i like many consider him god now :)
I think a lot of fans would be much happier with any of the names we turned our noses up at in the past
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 16, 2014, 01:27:37 PM
aint it funny 12 months ago we would have said noooooooooooooo to Pulis but i like many consider him god now :)

i still don't but i don't get to pick  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 16, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
Right ok then here goes
The next 4 games
Tottenham
Burnley
Livepool
Man utd
How many points will save his skin
We then have a run of 3 winnable games but i said that at the start of the season. Palace, Leicester, Newcastle
We then have Arsenal and Chelsea

Next 4 games I want/expect 4 points.  I don't think this is unrealistic - and also for us to win our cup tie.  6 points from 8 games isn't a particularly pleasing return but considering we would have played Everton, Spurs, Liverpool and United its not wholly unexpected. 

Personally I have a feeling that Palace at home at the end of October will be a big game in our season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 16, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Next 4 games I want/expect 4 points.  I don't think this is unrealistic - and also for us to win our cup tie.  6 points from 8 games isn't a particularly pleasing return but considering we would have played Everton, Spurs, Liverpool and United its not wholly unexpected. 

Personally I have a feeling that Palace at home at the end of October will be a big game in our season.

Pulis v Palace!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 16, 2014, 01:36:33 PM
Next 4 games I want/expect 4 points.  I don't think this is unrealistic - and also for us to win our cup tie.  6 points from 8 games isn't a particularly pleasing return but considering we would have played Everton, Spurs, Liverpool and United its not wholly unexpected. 

Personally I have a feeling that Palace at home at the end of October will be a big game in our season.

i'd say that wouldn't be unrealistic at all mate, but can't see it at min
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on September 16, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
Have to say i think Irvine is on a hiding to nothing but i think we need to get some perspective.

I dont know of one person who wanted him as coach (i didnt want him either) and i still dont think he is the right person for the job but he has to be given some time to prove himself, not 4 league games and a cup match! (Which by hook or by crook we won)

Whoever came in was going to have a massive job, the last 18 months upto this summer had been drab, there appeared to be a culture and mentality within the club and with the players we got rid of it was a chance for a fresh start.

A fresh start doesnt happen overnight, i know he is getting a lot of stick for new players not playing but none of us know their fitness levels, we dont work with them everyday so its to easy to say throw them in. Players who were signed preseason (Wisdom, Poco, Baird, Gardner) have all featured reguarly so it shows he isnt tied into some having to pick the existing players that were there and they rule the roost. Lescott played Pre-season and got injured, thats not Irvines fault.

For those saying chuck them in, Samaras and Davidson as far as i know are the only ones who played since May when they played at tge World Cup, even then they were out by end of June and clubless til middle of August so they could of done training on their own but its not the same as a preseason. Blanco  and Varela i dont think had any real preseason so they are playing catchup and if an example is needed, Ideye (who came in a bit before Samaras, Davidson, Blanco and Varela) and did do some training still looks yards off the pace and the other lads are even further behind him!

It is frustrating as we all want to see the best players we have but these blokes havent played in the premiership before (which is widely acknowledged as completely different to anywhere else in terms of pace and stamina) and worst thing is to chuck them in when they arent fit and they get injured after an hour and out for weeks, Morrison Saturday had gone by the hour and they game bypassed him. I only play Sunday league level nowadays but was lucky enough to play at a good standard and the higher you go, fitness and sharpness becomes even more crucial, even now if i have a few weeks off over Xmas next game back i am struggling.

Basically you would hope if Irvine had the new signings available they would play, i am sure he wants to win games as much as anyone. I would hope that the new signings would maybe play another closed doors game this week and then be ready for Sunday, Spurs last season spent over £100m on new signings and they never really gelled, Liverpool this season have lost 2 of their first 4, Man United were poor there first few games, but given time they will come good, although they have better players than us, the same thing applies - it dont happen overnight.

What we have seen so far Irvine hasnt given us a great deal to get excited about, however he is still having to play 75% of last seasons squad who have been in poor form for 18 months and probably very low on confidence, we have a lot of new players to come in who can freshen it up and so lets judge then. I think he has made mistakes, the first 2 x games were positive, but since then we have got worse, however the best coach in the world cannot do much if people make individual errors like we have done, what he can do when he has the players available is replace those who make the errors.

As i say i dont expect Irvine to succeed,  i think even if we won the next 4, the next defeat people will be straight back onto him because he is Alan Irvine and he isnt an exciting name, Pepe Mel was worshipped by some yet he had 20 odd games in charge i think and i would say out of those we were decent in about 5 maximum,  Irvine has been decent in 2 out of 5, so maybe he does deserve a bit more time.

Whoever came in had a massive job and i think would of struggled, yet the atmosphere at the game Saturday was poisonous, thats where we as fans need to look at ourselves in my opinion, i have always said if a player does something stupid like punching someone, boo him, if the players arent trying (which it looked as though they didnt lots of times last season) let them know, boo them, but when they are trying and just either a) not good enough or b) make mistakes (which we all do) whats the point? We all groan or moan if somebody does something wrong but the prolonged booing, jeering, etc is pathetic and on Saturday you could sense it before the game and it set the tone. The players have to give something for us to cheer about, but although Swansea was a shocker, the 2 x league games prior to that against Sunderland and Southampton i think the players had gave enough that they at least deserved support against Everton rather than the booing and jeering that took place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 02:32:02 PM
The scales have tipped too far with the supporters. I cannot see him turning them around, he needs two wins minimum from the next 4 games. If we fail to beat Burnley there will be no return. That said I didn't think the atmosphere was as bad Saturday as some are making out, it was just very flat. If anything it was far worse in the Oxford game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Have to say i think Irvine is on a hiding to nothing but i think we need to get some perspective.

I dont know of one person who wanted him as coach (i didnt want him either) and i still dont think he is the right person for the job but he has to be given some time to prove himself, not 4 league games and a cup match! (Which by hook or by crook we won)

Whoever came in was going to have a massive job, the last 18 months upto this summer had been drab, there appeared to be a culture and mentality within the club and with the players we got rid of it was a chance for a fresh start.

A fresh start doesnt happen overnight, i know he is getting a lot of stick for new players not playing but none of us know their fitness levels, we dont work with them everyday so its to easy to say throw them in. Players who were signed preseason (Wisdom, Poco, Baird, Gardner) have all featured reguarly so it shows he isnt tied into some having to pick the existing players that were there and they rule the roost. Lescott played Pre-season and got injured, thats not Irvines fault.

For those saying chuck them in, Samaras and Davidson as far as i know are the only ones who played since May when they played at tge World Cup, even then they were out by end of June and clubless til middle of August so they could of done training on their own but its not the same as a preseason. Blanco  and Varela i dont think had any real preseason so they are playing catchup and if an example is needed, Ideye (who came in a bit before Samaras, Davidson, Blanco and Varela) and did do some training still looks yards off the pace and the other lads are even further behind him!

It is frustrating as we all want to see the best players we have but these blokes havent played in the premiership before (which is widely acknowledged as completely different to anywhere else in terms of pace and stamina) and worst thing is to chuck them in when they arent fit and they get injured after an hour and out for weeks, Morrison Saturday had gone by the hour and they game bypassed him. I only play Sunday league level nowadays but was lucky enough to play at a good standard and the higher you go, fitness and sharpness becomes even more crucial, even now if i have a few weeks off over Xmas next game back i am struggling.

Basically you would hope if Irvine had the new signings available they would play, i am sure he wants to win games as much as anyone. I would hope that the new signings would maybe play another closed doors game this week and then be ready for Sunday, Spurs last season spent over £100m on new signings and they never really gelled, Liverpool this season have lost 2 of their first 4, Man United were poor there first few games, but given time they will come good, although they have better players than us, the same thing applies - it dont happen overnight.

What we have seen so far Irvine hasnt given us a great deal to get excited about, however he is still having to play 75% of last seasons squad who have been in poor form for 18 months and probably very low on confidence, we have a lot of new players to come in who can freshen it up and so lets judge then. I think he has made mistakes, the first 2 x games were positive, but since then we have got worse, however the best coach in the world cannot do much if people make individual errors like we have done, what he can do when he has the players available is replace those who make the errors.

As i say i dont expect Irvine to succeed,  i think even if we won the next 4, the next defeat people will be straight back onto him because he is Alan Irvine and he isnt an exciting name, Pepe Mel was worshipped by some yet he had 20 odd games in charge i think and i would say out of those we were decent in about 5 maximum,  Irvine has been decent in 2 out of 5, so maybe he does deserve a bit more time.

Whoever came in had a massive job and i think would of struggled, yet the atmosphere at the game Saturday was poisonous, thats where we as fans need to look at ourselves in my opinion, i have always said if a player does something stupid like punching someone, boo him, if the players arent trying (which it looked as though they didnt lots of times last season) let them know, boo them, but when they are trying and just either a) not good enough or b) make mistakes (which we all do) whats the point? We all groan or moan if somebody does something wrong but the prolonged booing, jeering, etc is pathetic and on Saturday you could sense it before the game and it set the tone. The players have to give something for us to cheer about, but although Swansea was a shocker, the 2 x league games prior to that against Sunderland and Southampton i think the players had gave enough that they at least deserved support against Everton rather than the booing and jeering that took place.
A well thought out and articulated post but agree that you are wasting your time. Rationality is something that is rare in some fans and Irvine will never be accepted now no matter what is achieved. His next loss will be expected to be his last one no matter when it is or who it is against.  We currently have fans wanting him to lose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 02:36:06 PM
The scales have tipped too far with the supporters. I cannot see him turning them around, he needs two wins minimum from the next 4 games. If we fail to beat Burnley there will be no return. That said I didn't think the atmosphere was as bad Saturday as some are making out, it was just very flat. If anything it was far worse in the Oxford game.
Four league matches. Finely balanced scales.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 02:55:38 PM
Four league matches. Finely balanced scales.

No signs of fight, decent football, attacking focus, tactical nous and 4 games to come 3 of which we would normally expect to get very little from and another the fans will accept nothing less than 3 points. Then it becomes 8 league games, add that to the cup debacle (performance wise) and a possible exit from the competition next Wednesday and suddenly it doesn't look so knee jerk.

Fair play to you mate for fighting your corner and sticking to your principles but I have to ask you why you think the man deserves us to give him time, how has he earned the prestigious office he finds himself holding, because nobody seems to know. The best scenario is to get him out of the club asap, because he is doomed to fail. Ask Alex McLeish, or Hodgson at Liverpool (managers with much better track records); if the fans don't want you, you won't succeed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 16, 2014, 03:18:39 PM
No signs of fight, decent football, attacking focus, tactical nous and 4 games to come 3 of which we would normally expect to get very little from and another the fans will accept nothing less than 3 points. Then it becomes 8 league games, add that to the cup debacle (performance wise) and a possible exit from the competition next Wednesday and suddenly it doesn't look so knee jerk.

Fair play to you mate for fighting your corner and sticking to your principles but I have to ask you why you think the man deserves us to give him time, how has he earned the prestigious office he finds himself holding, because nobody seems to know. The best scenario is to get him out of the club asap, because he is doomed to fail. Ask Alex McLeish, or Hodgson at Liverpool (managers with much better track records); if the fans don't want you, you won't succeed.
I have no affinity for the man nor was I part of the recruitment process so don't know the reason for his appointment.
As Albion79 so eloquently put it,  I haven't seen a great deal different to what I would have expected had we appointed any other manager at this point.
I am becoming disillusioned with our support,  oureexpectations and our treatment of the team and other employees.  Greed League has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 16, 2014, 03:41:06 PM
Worth noting that any compensation package we would have to pay should he get the boot won't be much as I beleive he is only on a 12 month contract
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on September 16, 2014, 04:02:04 PM
Whatever the real reason, Irvine has had a limited pool of players to choose from (or he chose to choose from) for these first games.  I do not like what I have seen so far, but let's judge him from now onwards when he has a full pack to deal from.  That will tell us what he is really like.  If that proves to be much the same as we have already seen then so be it.  But let's see what the real Irvine is before we condemn him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 16, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
Whatever the real reason, Irvine has had a limited pool of players to choose from (or he chose to choose from) for these first games.  I do not like what I have seen so far, but let's judge him from now onwards when he has a full pack to deal from.  That will tell us what he is really like.  If that proves to be much the same as we have already seen then so be it.  But let's see what the real Irvine is before we condemn him.
Clearly Peace saw something in him beyond the Preston/SheffWed technocrat (failed), hope it comes to the fore soon!

PS mrmojorisin, is your screen name the anagram of Jim Morrison from LAWoman?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 16, 2014, 04:12:25 PM
I would hope that the new signings would maybe play another closed doors game this week and then be ready for Sunday,
Some of them could have played in yesterday's U21 game, but none of them did. Irvine seems to be waiting for them to get match fit but without them appearing in matches! It's hard not to conclude that the more attack-minded they are, the more time he seems to think they need before being regarded as fit enough to start. He had no choice but to put Bobby in, as there would be even more uproar if he carried on leaving him out after we'd paid £10 for him.

Pepe Mel was worshipped by some yet he had 20 odd games in charge i think and i would say out of those we were decent in about 5 maximum,  Irvine has been decent in 2 out of 5, so maybe he does deserve a bit more time.
Pepe Mel had 17 games "in charge" I think. He didn't get to sign players or have a full pre-season with the squad, so your comparison between him and Irvine is unfair in my opinion.

Whoever came in had a massive job and i think would of struggled, yet the atmosphere at the game Saturday was poisonous
That was always going to be a danger when Peace decided to bring him in. You'd be hard pushed to find a fan who wanted Irvine to come in, and what they've seen so far makes it look like they were right, hence the poisonous atmosphere. The only thing that might conceivably change it is to see him introduce a much more attack-minded approach, but has he got it in him, when his attitude has always been to fear the opposition?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2014, 04:22:30 PM
Mel took points of Spurs, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea, Swansea. Didn't drop points to rivals like Cardiff and Norwich. We then knew we were safe and the last few games we went through the motions.

Irvine has avoided dropping points to rivals Sunderland and has taken points off Southampton. If Irvine gets 17 games I don't expect him to match Mel's record and that's without an end of season malaise, no recruitment and no preseason. What irks me most is his approach to games. We look like we're afraid to go for it and that is down to the guy who drills them all week. I can never imagine we will score 3 goals against anyone under Irvine, never mind take a 3 goal lead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on September 16, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Clearly Peace saw something in him beyond the Preston/SheffWed technocrat (failed), hope it comes to the fore soon!

PS mrmojorisin, is your screen name the anagram of Jim Morrison from LAWoman?

It certainly is.  The Doors - best band ever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on September 16, 2014, 04:39:50 PM
I think Jacko got it spot on when he used Mcleish at Villa and Hodgson at Liverpool as examples, if the fans dont want you, you havent got much of a chance, it wont be the only reason he fails but it certainly wont help.

The actual passing and work rate has been okay for most of the season, the problem is there is no cutting edge to it, we knock it around but dont create anything or trouble the opposition, the players who tend to hurt the opposition are attacking players, and we have only been able to get one of our new attacking players on the pitch (Ideye) like somebody said above when he is a position to pick from the full squad judge then, we have Varela, Blanco, Samaras and Gamboa (sort of) who will massively increase our attacking options.

I know somebody said about the under 21's playing last night, maybe the first team have a friendly tomorrow or thursday where all the new boys, plus those coming back from injury get a runout together instead of the only 1 or 2 allowed for the under 21's.

The problem is if we sack Irvine, because of the expectation we now have there will always be a large number of fans who dont want the person appointed as each have labels, Pulis - Long Ball, Sherwood - Managed for 5 minutes, Mackay - seems to have issues, Jol - too old, etc, etc, etc and based on how we have treated Irvine, the new manager if they dont mould 11 new players into the squad and produce attacking entertaining football from the start then they should be sacked after 5 games, because thats how Irvine is being treated.

As i have said previous i didnt want Irvine and i dont think he will succeed, however i felt the same about a certain Gary Megson, gave him a chance (as most fans did back then even if hardly anybody wanted him) and its fair to say he didnt do too bad! Lets at least give Irvine a chance instead of people saying after 5 games he has to go!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on September 16, 2014, 05:06:45 PM
I think your right, the level of expectation is high at the moment, as we have 'survived' and beyond for a few season now in the top flight, and we are used to decent football.

Irvine was a shocking choice at the time, tempered by some much needed new signings, however the very short 'honeymoon' period is over, and unfortunately for Irvine he has to get a result and quick, followed by some good performances on the pitch (not just in training), as this is something we pride ourselves on at the Hawthorns.

Lets hope he can pull it around, or we make a change sooner rather than later, to drag it on just to save face of the chairman won't wash with the supporters.

Sadly Irvine's days are numbered and were from the day he joined, however I am hopeful (heart more than head), that by Christmas all this will be behind us and we'll have a 'manager' in charge who knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 16, 2014, 05:32:48 PM
Going on what we have seen during Pre season and so far i hope Jack Russell is taking note wherever he is , and to think he used to call Steve Clarke a "Dour Scot" ! ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 16, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
Going on what we have seen during Pre season and so far i hope Jack Russell is taking note wherever he is , and to think he used to call Steve Clarke a "Dour Scot" ! ;D
Sometimes I worry about him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronny boy on September 16, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
It really is up to Alan Irvine now, the ball is firmly in your court. Stop rolling out the 'not match fit' excuses to not play a more attacking side and grow some balls. I fear he hasn't got it in him though and will be gone by the Liverpool game at the latest. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on September 16, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
we've been playing poor since the christmas period of clarkes reign. we didn't so much as finish 8th we fell back into 8th. if the teams below us had gone on a good run we would've definately finished lower. this means we've been constantly playing rubbish ever since and the only constants at the club since then have been downing and keily. so if irvine gets the boot these two have to go aswell or we'll still be playing the same tepid unimaginative football we've become used to . also if we've got any chance of bringing in a better quality coach e.g. jol or  pulis  they'll only come if they can bring their own staff in, people who they can trust my only bad feeling about that is i can't see peace breaking  up the old pals act so we may get another poor appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on September 17, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
It is quite interesting what a bit of research shows rather than relying on gossip on internet forums.

His "failures" in a bit more context.

Made manager of Preston when they were 21st in the division and fighting a relegation battle and finished 15th, failure?  Following season got them in the play offs, failure? Sacked in 2009 when in 16th position (ended in 17th) and Preston fans demonstrated about his sacking, failure?
Appointed Sheff Wednesday manager 9 days after getting the sack from Preston (impressive turn around) when they were in 22nd but didn't keep them up. Failure?
Was the 7th manager of Sheff Wednesday in 10 years, prior to his appointment SW avoided relegation on the last day of the season, then finished 12th and were in a relegation spot when he joined. They went into administration 3 months after he arrived and was dismissed by a new chairman a month after he arrived at the club with the club in 15th. Arguably his time at Sheff Wed was a failure, but in the context of the club at the time anything but failure would probably have been a miracle.

I think that is very unfair - internet forums are just a medium for fans to give their views - and I am not too quick to write of the views of those who have actually watched a lot of what he has to offer (a lot more than most football people would have seen).

Sheffield Wednesday fans (and to a lesser extent Preston fans) told us what to expect about his football. Admittedly Preston fans did not really want him to go and did support him, although I think you haven't really given the full story about the position Preston were in when Irvine took over - they had finished 5th, 4th and 7th in the 3 seasons leading up to Irvine taking over and he took over only a few months into the new season so it was a false position going on their previous record and their squad at the time.

The fact that the football served up at the moment, right down to the shape of our midfield, is exactly what Sheff Wednesday fans said that it would be, hints that they did have a point and it was not merely "internet gossip".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 17, 2014, 12:35:30 PM

Well it's 12:34pm and he's still here......

I knew that photocall was the wrong idea :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 17, 2014, 02:19:57 PM
Can someone get a message to him.All he has to do to save his job is attack the oppositions goal, anything can happen from there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 17, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
It certainly is.  The Doors - best band ever.

Mr Mojo rising, got to keep on rising.....gold.

All this talk about AIs past is almost irrelevant at this stage because we have seen his team play. It doesn't look good, you can say its injuries, new squad players etc but the football has been negative, substitutions all be it some forced have IMO been poorly timed e.g against Everton one nil down crying out for changes nothing until two nil down and he takes an attacker off for another attacker and his starting line ups devoid of creativity e.g what has Sess done to deserve the cold shoulder.

The past is important but not as important as the next 5 games, we need a couple of wins.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SirTonyM on September 17, 2014, 03:45:34 PM
I think every manager once appointed deserves a chance, Irvine was always on a hiding to nothing if he didn't start well. Fans are generally fickle, if we won alot of games people wouldn't care but he isn't winning.

While his experience with Preston and Sheff Wed doesn't bode well you have to judge on what he does at the moment. The evidence so far is not in Irvine's favour! His team selection and tactics seem to suggest he wants a point and we will attempt to play on the break with a rigid defensive system (how we can break with a midfield of Gardner, Dorrans, Morrison and Brunt is beyond me). Gary Monk at Swansea said at Chelsea "we always want to play on the front foot" you just don't get that impression with Irvine. I guess its hard to start on the front foot when we have let in goals in the first 6 minutes in 3 of our games :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 17, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
I've been in the give him time camp..I still am..... just.

what I have been disillusioned with is line ups especially against Everton. Lescott plays 90 mins against Hull and according to Irvine plays well yet doesn't even make the match day squad, Blanco and Gamboa on the bench, no Sessegnon no Varela. All players who would've improved the line up.

He is far too reactive rather than trying to be proactive. After 60 minutes of huffing and puffing against Everton it was obvious to everyone we needed some pace and quality. Instead he waits until we are 2-0 down and gives the subs 15 minutes to do something.

I wish he would succeed but I'm beginning to agree with those who say he's out of his depth at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggieblood on September 17, 2014, 04:11:56 PM
He was never qualified for such a high profile job, and he is clearly out of his depth.

I doubt he'll forego his pay-off and fall on his sword.

But, here's hoping!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 17, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
I've been in the give him time camp..I still am..... just.

what I have been disillusioned with is line ups especially against Everton. Lescott plays 90 mins against Hull and according to Irvine plays well yet doesn't even make the match day squad, Blanco and Gamboa on the bench, no Sessegnon no Varela. All players who would've improved the line up.

He is far too reactive rather than trying to be proactive. After 60 minutes of huffing and puffing against Everton it was obvious to everyone we needed some pace and quality. Instead he waits until we are 2-0 down and gives the subs 15 minutes to do something.

I wish he would succeed but I'm beginning to agree with those who say he's out of his depth at this level.

Spot on, fans were screaming for a sub before that second goal, and who knows it could have made the game different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on September 17, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
You can't blame him, you can only blame the people who appointed him, he's so out of his depth it's quite scary. He looks anything but comfortable in the dugout and the interviews give off well rehearsed answers.

Can't see him lasting until the end of October at all. Either way Peace has a HUGE appointment next.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 17, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
You can't blame him, you can only blame the people who appointed him, he's so out of his depth it's quite scary. He looks anything but comfortable in the dugout and the interviews give off well rehearsed answers.

Can't see him lasting until the end of October at all. Either way Peace has a HUGE appointment next.

Tactically you can lay blame. When it's not going your way and yout still in the game at 1-0, you need to make subs.

Most managers will wait 15 minutes to see if the team talk has worked or anything has changed, another goal down, with 70 minutes gone and it's too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
I don't get the out of his depth argument. Was he out of his depth when he tactically outclassed Koeman?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on September 17, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
The negativity and discontent around must have been noted at board level. A poor result or/and performance on Sunday may well be his last. But then what happens -another month of due diligence while the chuckle brothers are in charge, and in that time if we have a couple of good results I fear they may be given the reins for the season, and is the club any further forward. oh dear another restless night :-((
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 17, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
I don't get the out of his depth argument. Was he out of his depth when he tactically outclassed Koeman?

I must have missed that. I do remember him parking the bus against a team just as disjointed and "work-in-progress" as ourselves instead of going for the throat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 17, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
I must have missed that. I do remember him parking the bus against a team just as disjointed and "work-in-progress" as ourselves instead of going for the throat.

both to the extreme he didn't tactically outclass Koeman but we never parked bus either,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 05:30:39 PM
I think that is very unfair - internet forums are just a medium for fans to give their views - and I am not too quick to write of the views of those who have actually watched a lot of what he has to offer (a lot more than most football people would have seen).

Sheffield Wednesday fans (and to a lesser extent Preston fans) told us what to expect about his football. Admittedly Preston fans did not really want him to go and did support him, although I think you haven't really given the full story about the position Preston were in when Irvine took over - they had finished 5th, 4th and 7th in the 3 seasons leading up to Irvine taking over and he took over only a few months into the new season so it was a false position going on their previous record and their squad at the time.

The fact that the football served up at the moment, right down to the shape of our midfield, is exactly what Sheff Wednesday fans said that it would be, hints that they did have a point and it was not merely "internet gossip".
When I suggest internet gossip I mean people who can not qualify their statement. "He was the worst manager ever" "he only plays negative football". A bit of research shows he has a better win percentage than other Sheff W managers of a similar era but yes, he failed to improve a poor club at a poor time in their history. As someone has pointed out above, league 1and Premier league can not becompared. Alex Ferguson got sacked at St Mirren before he became the manager he was.  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on September 17, 2014, 06:00:21 PM
if and when he gets the bullet just remember dingle downing will still be sitting on the bench pulling the strings !I have lost the buzz going up the hawthorns this year with Irvine in charge and cant see anything changing soon  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 17, 2014, 06:30:03 PM
When I suggest internet gossip I mean people who can not qualify their statement. "He was the worst manager ever" "he only plays negative football". A bit of research shows he has a better win percentage than other Sheff W managers of a similar era but yes, he failed to improve a poor club at a poor time in their history. As someone has pointed out above, league 1and Premier league can not becompared. Alex Ferguson got sacked at St Mirren before he became the manager he was.  :o

I can't comment about how he did at Preston, but the records say he did just ok. However, he did very badly at Wednesday regardless of how you sugar coat it - his football/negativity was pulling them towards league 2 before he was sacked, it's not gossip - he was just dreadful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 17, 2014, 06:30:19 PM
I don't get the out of his depth argument. Was he out of his depth when he tactically outclassed Koeman?

I think we were fortunate in that game against Southampton as they were still getting into their stride. I think that it would be far more difficult to get a result if we played them now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2014, 06:49:01 PM
I think we were fortunate in that game against Southampton as they were still getting into their stride. I think that it would be far more difficult to get a result if we played them now

I watched them at Anfield the week before and they were very good. You could say we're still getting into our stride too and as the new signings come into the team we'll be a good balanced outfit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C._managers

I can't comment about how he did at Preston, but the records say he did just ok. However, he did very badly at Wednesday regardless of how you sugar coat it - his football/negativity was pulling them towards league 2 before he was sacked, it's not gossip - he was just dreadful.
Not sugar coating it. He managed a poop club during a poop time in its history.

I appreciate that it is Wikipedia but he wasn't the worst manager they ever had despite what they say.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 17, 2014, 07:21:34 PM
he may not be the worst we´ve ever had but he is the worst appointment (absolutely no justification) >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 17, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C._managers
Not sugar coating it. He managed a poop club during a poop time in its history.

I appreciate that it is Wikipedia but he wasn't the worst manager they ever had despite what they say.

That depends on how you define worst manager.  You could go on win or loss ratios, but as you say this has to be tempered by the state of the club at the time.  Afterall Sheffield Wednesday have had their ups and downs financially and thus results are relative, and equally relative to the division they are in.

For some I'm sure the best managers are viewed as who manages to get the post out of the cards they are dealt.  For others the worst managers will be those who serve up a bland defensive style of football - even if it fairs as good as if not better than others.  They are both of course subjective thus much harder to prove or disprove if they are the worse manager, but valid opinions to who is the worse manager nonetheless. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 17, 2014, 07:38:32 PM
I don't even know what to say on the subject of Alan Irvine any more. For those who are still vomiting sunshine and optimism about our Head Coach, could you name me any current Premier League managers who are worse? Or would any of the other 19 clubs in this league swap their manager for Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 17, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
He was never qualified for such a high profile job, and he is clearly out of his depth.

I doubt he'll forego his pay-off and fall on his sword.

But, here's hoping!
I do actually think he might walk quite soon.  He does seem a decent enough man, and that may be the only way he can save any self-respect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on September 17, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Although like many others I have great doubts about him . It's still to early to sack him . Let's hope a few of the new lads are in by Sunday .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
I don't even know what to say on the subject of Alan Irvine any more. For those who are still vomiting sunshine and optimism about our Head Coach, could you name me any current Premier League managers who are worse? Or would any of the other 19 clubs in this league swap their manager for Alan Irvine?
Newcastle  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 17, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
I watched them at Anfield the week before and they were very good. You could say we're still getting into our stride too and as the new signings come into the team we'll be a good balanced outfit.

That's of course if Irvine plays the new signings!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 17, 2014, 08:40:13 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C._managers
Not sugar coating it. He managed a poop club during a poop time in its history.

I appreciate that it is Wikipedia but he wasn't the worst manager they ever had despite what they say.

It's not all about statistics, ask any Wednesday fan and they'll tell you he was their worst ever manager. It's like saying Tony Mowbray did better as a manager than Megson - as his win rate was better, obviously Megson operated under less funds etc.

You're conveniently missing out the fact that Irvine had one of the biggest budgets in the division...there's no excuse, are you seriously trying to say all of the Wednesday fans are wrong in their opinions of him? They're not exactly 'thick' fans are they?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 17, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
It's not all about statistics, ask any Wednesday fan and they'll tell you he was their worst ever manager. It's like saying Tony Mowbray did better as a manager than Megson - as his win rate was better, obviously Megson operated under less funds etc.

You're conveniently missing out the fact that Irvine had one of the biggest budgets in the division...there's no excuse, are you seriously trying to say all of the Wednesday fans are wrong in their opinions of him? They're not exactly 'thick' fans are they?

not thick, just coach badgeless
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
It's not all about statistics, ask any Wednesday fan and they'll tell you he was their worst ever manager. It's like saying Tony Mowbray did better as a manager than Megson - as his win rate was better, obviously Megson operated under less funds etc.

You're conveniently missing out the fact that Irvine had one of the biggest budgets in the division...there's no excuse, are you seriously trying to say all of the Wednesday fans are wrong in their opinions of him? They're not exactly 'thick' fans are they?
You're correct it isn't all about statistics. You are conveniently missing out the fact that for a club with one of the biggest budgets they were fighting off winding up proceedings off the field. Not all Wednesday fans will say he is their worst manager in the same way that not all Albion fans will agree that Megson was better than Mowbray.
The point being made is that where we are now, his history is irrelevant (and debatable  :D), and what happens here is what matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 17, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
It's not all about statistics, ask any Wednesday fan and they'll tell you he was their worst ever manager. It's like saying Tony Mowbray did better as a manager than Megson - as his win rate was better, obviously Megson operated under less funds etc.

You're conveniently missing out the fact that Irvine had one of the biggest budgets in the division...there's no excuse, are you seriously trying to say all of the Wednesday fans are wrong in their opinions of him? They're not exactly 'thick' fans are they?

Wednesday had three winding-up orders while Irvine was there. He had virtually no budget.

I'd say their fans are exactly the same as his current club's fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 17, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Wednesday had three winding-up orders while Irvine was there. He had virtually no budget.

I'd say their fans are exactly the same as his current club's fans.

He had quite a lot towards the end of the reign.

Didn't take long for Mandaric to make the right decision and sack him off after something what must have been no wins in six  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 17, 2014, 09:58:39 PM
You're correct it isn't all about statistics. You are conveniently missing out the fact that for a club with one of the biggest budgets they were fighting off winding up proceedings off the field. Not all Wednesday fans will say he is their worst manager in the same way that not all Albion fans will agree that Megson was better than Mowbray.
The point being made is that where we are now, his history is irrelevant (and debatable  :D), and what happens here is what matters.
Except this point is hugely flawed, because a manager's history is extremely relevant- it's the single best indicator of how a manager is likely to perform at future clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 17, 2014, 10:08:28 PM
This is very true

http://domroberts.com/west-bromwich-albion-an-analysis/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 17, 2014, 10:09:16 PM
He had quite a lot towards the end of the reign.

Didn't take long for Mandaric to make the right decision and sack him off after something what must have been no wins in six  :D

He finally got some money in January 2011, but the new players couldn't have played much before he got sacked on 3 February.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 10:12:23 PM
He had quite a lot towards the end of the reign.

Didn't take long for Mandaric to make the right decision and sack him off after something what must have been no wins in six  :D
He bought 5 players in January and was sacked on 6 February.  Given lots of time to gel  :D

One of the five was playing at the club until last season, another is still there and playing regularly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 17, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
Except this point is hugely flawed, because a manager's history is extremely relevant- it's the single best indicator of how a manager is likely to perform at future clubs.
It is an indicator but you can not compare Sheff Wednesday in 2010 to West Bromwich Albion in 2014.
Tony Mowbray did wonders at West Brom but that was not replicated at Celtic or Middlesbrough.
Di Matteo did well to get another managers job after his time at the Albion but won the Champions League at Chelsea and has been unemployed since 2012.
Alex Ferguson failed at St Mirren but went on to become one of the most successful managers in the world.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 17, 2014, 10:29:54 PM
It is an indicator but you can not compare Sheff Wednesday in 2010 to West Bromwich Albion in 2014.
Tony Mowbray did wonders at West Brom but that was not replicated at Celtic or Middlesbrough.
Di Matteo did well to get another managers job after his time at the Albion but won the Champions League at Chelsea and has been unemployed since 2012.
Alex Ferguson failed at St Mirren but went on to become one of the most successful managers in the world.

so what exactly is your criteria for appointing a manager - put all the names in a hat, close your eyes and pick one out, because it matters not what they have done in the past???

of course I am being a bit flippant there, but surely there has to be something that is taken into account?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2014, 11:27:55 PM
so what exactly is your criteria for appointing a manager - put all the names in a hat, close your eyes and pick one out, because it matters not what they have done in the past???

of course I am being a bit flippant there, but surely there has to be something that is taken into account?

Coaching ability and managerial experience at a club similar to us would be two things I would look out for to find a potential head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 17, 2014, 11:42:10 PM
He bought 5 players in January and was sacked on 6 February.  Given lots of time to gel  :D

One of the five was playing at the club until last season, another is still there and playing regularly.

One was constantly injured last season and the other spent more time in prison than on the pitch :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 17, 2014, 11:57:56 PM
It is an indicator but you can not compare Sheff Wednesday in 2010 to West Bromwich Albion in 2014.
Tony Mowbray did wonders at West Brom but that was not replicated at Celtic or Middlesbrough.
Di Matteo did well to get another managers job after his time at the Albion but won the Champions League at Chelsea and has been unemployed since 2012.
Alex Ferguson failed at St Mirren but went on to become one of the most successful managers in the world.
All of those managers experienced success before being hired by similar sized or bigger clubs- Mowbray at Hibs and here, Di Matteo at MK Dons and here, Ferguson at Aberdeen. Di Matteo went on to win the Champions League and Ferguson became perhaps the most successful manager in history. At least they earned the right to pick up the jobs that they did. The fact that Mowbray failed at Celtic and Middlesborough despite his previous successes doesn't prove there is no relationship between success at different clubs- it only suggests that even previously successful managers may fail at future clubs. That in itself can't say anything about Irvine's likely success here, but it certainly doesn't champion his case in any way. There aren't many cases where a manager fails, twice, and then is suddenly a success at a higher level. Although this may have happened once or twice, I think it's fair to say that positive signs would at least be needed to warrant time and patience with such an appointment- what are the positive signs from Irvine's first five games? We've probably got progressively worse over the course of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 17, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
Coaching ability and managerial experience at a club similar to us would be two things I would look out for to find a potential head coach.

Neither would be my top priority. I'd look for a brilliant man to lead our team on match days. A highly intelligent, creative man with the natural talent and competitiveness to take on the top managerial talent in the prem.

THEN after that I'd look to experience and coaching ability. Those two can be had through the support, that is the job of the #2's imo.

I don't know if any of you play chess, but we are in the top division and we need a Grandmaster, not a club level coach to lead us.

We are plagued with too many #2's throughout the organization, this is obvious in our approach and strategic thinking which is characterized by a distint lack of brilliance atm.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 18, 2014, 12:01:03 AM
Coaching ability and managerial experience at a club similar to us would be two things I would look out for to find a potential head coach.
Presumably the degree of success within their managerial experience would be the most important aspect of their experience? Otherwise having decades of failure would qualify someone as a good manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2014, 07:50:37 AM
One was constantly injured last season and the other spent more time in prison than on the pitch :D
Neither of which was down to Alan Irvine. The point being made and missed, two of the five signings he made in the January 2010 window before getting sacked in February,  in such an unsuccessful period are/were still on the books as of the end of last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2014, 08:04:07 AM
so what exactly is your criteria for appointing a manager - put all the names in a hat, close your eyes and pick one out, because it matters not what they have done in the past???

of course I am being a bit flippant there, but surely there has to be something that is taken into account?
Do you believe that is how he was appointed?  I am guessing that Jeremy Peace, as a very astute businessman, had a robust recruitment process involving "due diligence" and appropriate interviews.I wwould also hope, and expect in the case of Alan Irvine and any other candidate, that he examined their past history and made judgements based on fact rather than emotion. In the same way that very few of the supporters know what is happening at the Albion, very few Sheff Wed fans can know what was happening at Sheff Wed; they can only base their judgements on what they see happen on the pitch on a Saturday.  Yes, probably the most important aspect of the job, but we have fans slagging off the guy for not picking an injured centre half or midfielder.  Do you know the position behind the scenes at Sheff W during his reign?
Just trying to bring a balance to the witch hunt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 18, 2014, 08:47:57 AM
Do you believe that is how he was appointed?  I am guessing that Jeremy Peace, as a very astute businessman, had a robust recruitment process involving "due diligence" and appropriate interviews.I wwould also hope, and expect in the case of Alan Irvine and any other candidate, that he examined their past history and made judgements based on fact rather than emotion. In the same way that very few of the supporters know what is happening at the Albion, very few Sheff Wed fans can know what was happening at Sheff Wed; they can only base their judgements on what they see happen on the pitch on a Saturday.  Yes, probably the most important aspect of the job, but we have fans slagging off the guy for not picking an injured centre half or midfielder.  Do you know the position behind the scenes at Sheff W during his reign?
Just trying to bring a balance to the witch hunt.
If we have to dismiss conjecture and stick to facts to achieve balance, then the fact of the matter is that at present we are poor defensively (conceded 8 ) and weak going forward (scored 3, only 1 of which was from open play) and are subsequently in the bottom 3. Surely the coaching staff have to be accountable for that??
Ok, we may improve when new signings finally appear, but that is mere conjecture!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on September 18, 2014, 09:08:21 AM

Is there a sleeping tablet available where I will wake up once he's gone?

The wait is just far too much agony and talking about him winds me up... :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 18, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
Do you believe that is how he was appointed?  I am guessing that Jeremy Peace, as a very astute businessman, had a robust recruitment process involving "due diligence" and appropriate interviews.I wwould also hope, and expect in the case of Alan Irvine and any other candidate, that he examined their past history and made judgements based on fact rather than emotion. In the same way that very few of the supporters know what is happening at the Albion, very few Sheff Wed fans can know what was happening at Sheff Wed; they can only base their judgements on what they see happen on the pitch on a Saturday.  Yes, probably the most important aspect of the job, but we have fans slagging off the guy for not picking an injured centre half or midfielder.  Do you know the position behind the scenes at Sheff W during his reign?
Just trying to bring a balance to the witch hunt.
i can safely say before the interviews began with AI JP's reaction was very similar to ours and that is fact
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 18, 2014, 10:45:23 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if AI was be kept on until the end of the season & beyond for the simple reason JP head hunted him & would look a fool if he had to sack him now.
Hope I'm wrong & AI proves me wrong & turns it all a round.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
I think paul lambert is an average manager at best, but even he had the "balls" to make 3 changes at once when we were pasting his side. can you forsee any circumstance where AI would do that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 18, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if AI was be kept on until the end of the season & beyond for the simple reason JP head hunted him & would look a fool if he had to sack him now.
Hope I'm wrong & AI proves me wrong & turns it all a round.


If he takes us down and is still there next season i wont be renewing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 18, 2014, 10:59:10 AM
I think paul lambert is an average manager at best, but even he had the "balls" to make 3 changes at once when we were pasting his side. can you forsee any circumstance where AI would do that?
If we go a goal up early doors he might bring on 3 defenders.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 18, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if AI was be kept on until the end of the season & beyond for the simple reason JP head hunted him & would look a fool if he had to sack him now.
Hope I'm wrong & AI proves me wrong & turns it all a round.
not a chance that will happen and JP didn't head hunt as I've stated in previous post,

if he turns it round and quick he'll stay if he doesn't he'll go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 18, 2014, 11:03:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if AI was be kept on until the end of the season & beyond for the simple reason JP head hunted him & would look a fool if he had to sack him now.
Hope I'm wrong & AI proves me wrong & turns it all a round.

Do you think JP cares enough about anyone's opinion to lose a substantial portion of his net worth rather than admit a mistake? I'm quite sure he will sack anyone the second he concludes it would make the difference between staying up and relegation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on September 18, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
Do you think JP cares enough about anyone's opinion to lose a substantial portion of his net worth rather than admit a mistake? I'm quite sure he will sack anyone the second he concludes it would make the difference between staying up and relegation.

I could not agree more, Quakes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 18, 2014, 12:04:32 PM

If he takes us down and is still there next season i wont be renewing

Like the time you weren't going to renew because the Halfords wasn't to be redeveloped?  Or the time you weren't going to renew if Pepe Mel was to be sacked? Or the time you weren't going to renew because AI was appointed.  Come on mate, JP knows your future renewals are money in the bank  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 18, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Like the time you weren't going to renew because the Halfords wasn't to be redeveloped?  Or the time you weren't going to renew if Pepe Mel was to be sacked? Or the time you weren't going to renew because AI was appointed.  Come on mate, JP knows your future renewals are money in the bank  :)


Indeed this will most likely be the final straw,the tip of the iceberg
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 18, 2014, 12:26:06 PM
He bought 5 players in January and was sacked on 6 February.  Given lots of time to gel  :D

One of the five was playing at the club until last season, another is still there and playing regularly.
Iim not being funny but  i don't see how your qualified to comment on sheff weds matters I think that's best left to their supporters and didn't one of them say he was the worst manager he had ever since in all his time attending Hillsborough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 18, 2014, 12:27:30 PM
i hope AI is still in place next season.
It will only be so, if we have a successful season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on September 18, 2014, 02:29:36 PM
Do you believe that is how he was appointed?  I am guessing that Jeremy Peace, as a very astute businessman, had a robust recruitment process involving "due diligence" and appropriate interviews.I wwould also hope, and expect in the case of Alan Irvine and any other candidate, that he examined their past history and made judgements based on fact rather than emotion. In the same way that very few of the supporters know what is happening at the Albion, very few Sheff Wed fans can know what was happening at Sheff Wed; they can only base their judgements on what they see happen on the pitch on a Saturday.  Yes, probably the most important aspect of the job, but we have fans slagging off the guy for not picking an injured centre half or midfielder.  Do you know the position behind the scenes at Sheff W during his reign?
Just trying to bring a balance to the witch hunt.

I am sure he was the last man standing, no one in there right mind would want this job with all the restrictions that are placed on them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 18, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Do you believe that is how he was appointed?  I am guessing that Jeremy Peace, as a very astute businessman, had a robust recruitment process involving "due diligence" and appropriate interviews.I wwould also hope, and expect in the case of Alan Irvine and any other candidate, that he examined their past history and made judgements based on fact rather than emotion. In the same way that very few of the supporters know what is happening at the Albion, very few Sheff Wed fans can know what was happening at Sheff Wed; they can only base their judgements on what they see happen on the pitch on a Saturday.  Yes, probably the most important aspect of the job, but we have fans slagging off the guy for not picking an injured centre half or midfielder.  Do you know the position behind the scenes at Sheff W during his reign?
Just trying to bring a balance to the witch hunt.

I wasn't for once suggesting that was the process the board adopted, I was challenging your argument not the process of the board, asking you what your criteria would be  (unless you and the board are one and the same??).  They way it came across was that from your post was that past failure or 'averageness' can almost be disregarded in considering future potential.

What I would expect the board to have done prior to this appointment is to review the recruitment, due diligence and interview process that has resulted in three of the last for head coaches being deemed not good enough by the board within their first two seasons.  From that I would hope that they have a more robust system to try and minimise a repeat.  Of course I am not privy to the board so have no way of knowing whether or not that took place. 

Unless our big plan is to continually have a revolving door of head coaches it is fact that we have a 75% failure rate on current form when it comes to head coach recruitment.  Thus I think that the fans who live of emotion are entitled to question the decisions of those making judgements based on facts.

Again I am not privy to the boards of Preston nor Sheffield Wednesday so the following is conjecture not fact -  but goes to show how crazy this game is we all support.  I would suggest the boards expectation at Preston was to challenge for a play off position (given they had finshed 4,5,7 for the three seasons prior to Irvine's appointment and that he was ultimately dismissed when 8 points of a play off place in December!).  I would suggest the boards expectations at Sheff Wed on appointment was to avoid relgation (even is that was a misguided expecation due to how the club was being run - who knows we weren't there).  Thus by scoring two goals on the last day of 2009 season he met that expectation getting into the play-offs by virtue of 1 extra goal scored and by failing to score 1 more goal on last day of 2010 he came up short of those expectations and was relegated.  The fact that history shows he is the last manager to have reached the championship play off fors Preston and the only manager in the last 30 years to have relegated sheff wed to division 1 in the last 30 years will undoubtedly strengthen fans perspectives over time.  What a difference 2 goals make. 

However I think not even the most positive of supporters or professionals within the game can give a compelling argument that he has significantly over achieved anywhere in his managerial career.  And therein lies the problem in my opinion.  If Alan Irvine had been appointed by a board with a successful track record in appointing managers/head coaches then maybe the fans would have a bit more faith and give a lot more time to somebody without that 'success' tick on their cv.  However, when a board who so regularly feel they have got their appointment wrong (in let's face it arguably our most successful period in recent history) appoint a manager whose track record of achievement is determined by one goal either way on the final day of the season is bound to cause a lot of uneasiness with the fans. 

I expect AI will be given time, and I hope against all hope the board have got it right this time - but on the evidence above I like most fans can only with any confidence live n hope more than expectation.  The start of the season has done little to boost that confidence, and only served to strengthen those people who feel they have justification to doubt.  Of course the board can't change the fact that in appointing a head coach without a 'success' tick on his cv they offered fans no barometer in which to think this appointment would end up different to three out of the last four.  And as such it should be no surprise that the voice of the fans will get louder and louder and the patience of the fans will get less and less with every week that passes when we don't see the potential of achieving minimum expectation (which I assume is to avoid relegation.) 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MrDominicRoberts on September 18, 2014, 04:10:37 PM
This is very true

http://domroberts.com/west-bromwich-albion-an-analysis/

Thanks mate. I really hope that they take some steps to address the concerns I expressed in that article but I fear that Alan Irvine and Keith Downing's negative strategy (if you can call it that) will just perpetuate our problems further.

Worrying times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 18, 2014, 05:37:04 PM
I can see us being 'run' by the Dingle for the rest of the season soon.
Getting rid of AI won't solve the core problem.... wonder if JP is starting to see that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 18, 2014, 05:52:06 PM
I was very envious of Fulham when they got Magath. I'm guessing both he and Ole Soljkaer want a quick opportunity to redeem themselves.

Magath, like Jol before him has a great record pre Fulham so maybe there is something wrong with the club rather than the men who couldn't turn the tide there? Mulensteen to perhaps? I'd take Magath.

Would anybody else take either of the manager who have departed struggling championship clubs who went down last season?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on September 18, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
He finally got some money in January 2011, but the new players couldn't have played much before he got sacked on 3 February.

Bet they all needed a pre season and match practice!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2014, 06:01:40 PM
Iim not being funny but  i don't see how your qualified to comment on sheff weds matters I think that's best left to their supporters and didn't one of them say he was the worst manager he had ever since in all his time attending Hillsborough.
I'm not particularly qualified at all but it only takes a little bit of research.  (Something Alan Shearer should try  :D) Feel free to check any of the information provided.  (I did actually say they were in administration but they only had winding up proceedings brought against them   :-[)

I don't think I have ever suggested either that his time at SW could be classed as a success just pointing out that he should be judged on what happens here.  His experience at SW, if he has learned from it,  could make him a better coach  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 18, 2014, 06:28:08 PM
I think the Magath situation shows that a great CV doesn't mean your the right person for a certain club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 18, 2014, 06:39:52 PM
I think the Magath situation shows that a great CV doesn't mean your the right person for a certain club.

Lets hope Irvine can be the complete polar opposite of Magath and be successful with a bad CV! I don't think he's the man for the job but I'd love it if he proved us all wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2014, 06:43:01 PM
I wasn't for once suggesting that was the process the board adopted, I was challenging your argument not the process of the board, asking you what your criteria would be  (unless you and the board are one and the same??).  They way it came across was that from your post was that past failure or 'averageness' can almost be disregarded in considering future potential.

What I would expect the board to have done prior to this appointment is to review the recruitment, due diligence and interview process that has resulted in three of the last for head coaches being deemed not good enough by the board within their first two seasons.  From that I would hope that they have a more robust system to try and minimise a repeat.  Of course I am not privy to the board so have no way of knowing whether or not that took place. 

Unless our big plan is to continually have a revolving door of head coaches it is fact that we have a 75% failure rate on current form when it comes to head coach recruitment.  Thus I think that the fans who live of emotion are entitled to question the decisions of those making judgements based on facts.

Again I am not privy to the boards of Preston nor Sheffield Wednesday so the following is conjecture not fact -  but goes to show how crazy this game is we all support.  I would suggest the boards expectation at Preston was to challenge for a play off position (given they had finshed 4,5,7 for the three seasons prior to Irvine's appointment and that he was ultimately dismissed when 8 points of a play off place in December!).  I would suggest the boards expectations at Sheff Wed on appointment was to avoid relgation (even is that was a misguided expecation due to how the club was being run - who knows we weren't there).  Thus by scoring two goals on the last day of 2009 season he met that expectation getting into the play-offs by virtue of 1 extra goal scored and by failing to score 1 more goal on last day of 2010 he came up short of those expectations and was relegated.  The fact that history shows he is the last manager to have reached the championship play off fors Preston and the only manager in the last 30 years to have relegated sheff wed to division 1 in the last 30 years will undoubtedly strengthen fans perspectives over time.  What a difference 2 goals make. 

However I think not even the most positive of supporters or professionals within the game can give a compelling argument that he has significantly over achieved anywhere in his managerial career.  And therein lies the problem in my opinion.  If Alan Irvine had been appointed by a board with a successful track record in appointing managers/head coaches then maybe the fans would have a bit more faith and give a lot more time to somebody without that 'success' tick on their cv.  However, when a board who so regularly feel they have got their appointment wrong (in let's face it arguably our most successful period in recent history) appoint a manager whose track record of achievement is determined by one goal either way on the final day of the season is bound to cause a lot of uneasiness with the fans. 

I expect AI will be given time, and I hope against all hope the board have got it right this time - but on the evidence above I like most fans can only with any confidence live n hope more than expectation.  The start of the season has done little to boost that confidence, and only served to strengthen those people who feel they have justification to doubt.  Of course the board can't change the fact that in appointing a head coach without a 'success' tick on his cv they offered fans no barometer in which to think this appointment would end up different to three out of the last four.  And as such it should be no surprise that the voice of the fans will get louder and louder and the patience of the fans will get less and less with every week that passes when we don't see the potential of achieving minimum expectation (which I assume is to avoid relegation.)
Do not disagree with anything here. Football is an emotional and passionate game which sometimes needs to be put in a different perspective. 
To put coaches ??? into context, JP has appointed 6 (not including caretakers) since his aarrival as chairman over 10 years ago and dismissed only 4 of these. In the modern game a fairly small turnover when compared to clubs of similar status. . The suggestions that he is worried about "saving face" however do not ring true, sacking Pepe Mel after 4 months was hardly him being worrying about seeing to make mistakes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 18, 2014, 07:32:31 PM
Do not disagree with anything here. Football is an emotional and passionate game which sometimes needs to be put in a different perspective. 
To put coaches ??? into context, JP has appointed 6 (not including caretakers) since his aarrival as chairman over 10 years ago and dismissed only 4 of these. In the modern game a fairly small turnover when compared to clubs of similar status. . The suggestions that he is worried about "saving face" however do not ring true, sacking Pepe Mel after 4 months was hardly him being worrying about seeing to make mistakes.

I make it 7, in 12 years but let's not split hairs  ;)  It's interesting that 3 of those 4 have been in the last 4 years whilst we have been continuously in the premiership.  We had only four permanent managers from Peace taking over in June 2002 in the 8 'yo-yo' years yet since di matteo's sacking 3 1/2 years ago we are now on our 4th manager.  I accept over his 12 years JP has not been prolific in pulling the trigger, just recent history that is of more concern to me. 

From the outside looking I feel a different sort of head  coach is needed to play premiership survival game season in season out, than that of riding the promotion wave from the championship.  It's like we have been scratching around trying to find exactly who that sort of head coach is without really ever getting close to the answer (apart from RH maybe).   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 18, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
the sad thing is that most fans have made their mind up already (me included)  >:( so until he goes the atmosphere around the club will be toxic. the situation is going to get worse not better.

i can't see us winning many games with this manager and this set of coaches. with our run in 11/8 is looking a decent bet for us to go down.

sad, bad times considering we got to 8th, it's all gone to rats***.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 18, 2014, 07:57:03 PM
If we get stuffed by Spurs, and lose to Hull, he might be gone before Burnley.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 18, 2014, 08:10:41 PM
I make it 7, in 12 years but let's not split hairs  ;)  It's interesting that 3 of those 4 have been in the last 4 years whilst we have been continuously in the premiership.  We had only four permanent managers from Peace taking over in June 2002 in the 8 'yo-yo' years yet since di matteo's sacking 3 1/2 years ago we are now on our 4th manager.  I accept over his 12 years JP has not been prolific in pulling the trigger, just recent history that is of more concern to me. 

From the outside looking I feel a different sort of head  coach is needed to play premiership survival game season in season out, than that of riding the promotion wave from the championship.  It's like we have been scratching around trying to find exactly who that sort of head coach is without really ever getting close to the answer (apart from RH maybe).
It is 7  :-[

Expectation has gone up and tolerance down.  The greed league corrupts.

Would Tony Mowbray get the sack for threatening to relegate us now rather than begged to stay? 12  ;) managers sacked in the Premier League last season suggests it ain't just us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 18, 2014, 08:51:15 PM
I think JP would sack Irvine without a second thought and wouldn't care about the fans backlash either. Lets face it, the decision to sack Mel was FAR more controversial than if he sacked Irvine at some point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on September 18, 2014, 10:02:26 PM
During my lifetime I have managed to make lots of friends from different parts of the country with a wide range of football allegiances. At the moment, they are all united by their hysteria at our current situation. Can hardly blame them - it's a shambles and has been for over a year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 18, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
During my lifetime I have managed to make lots of friends from different parts of the country with a wide range of football allegiances. At the moment, they are all united by their hysteria at our current situation. Can hardly blame them - it's a shambles and has been for over a year.

A nation-wide hysteria? Am I reading that correctly?  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 18, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-finally-injury-7795376

There's a lot if encouraging words in this article, particularly the final paragraph where Irvine mentions how he is happy players have played out of position but now wants everybody playing where they want to play. Squad declared "injury free" although he does have a line where he stresses that injury-free doesn't necessarily mean match fit.

Much more promising but a few possible undertones of lowering our hopes of seeing all the new faces. All I ask is for Sess/Blanco in the middle and a new winger on the right with Gamboa and Leacott in at the back. Please do it Alan and prove us all wrong. Don't persist with the same team and if you really want to make us happy then drop the entire back line minus poco!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on September 18, 2014, 11:20:55 PM
I think JP would sack Irvine without a second thought and wouldn't care about the fans backlash either. Lets face it, the decision to sack Mel was FAR more controversial than if he sacked Irvine at some point.
there wouldn't be a fans backlash. he would be praised by the majority if the poll is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 18, 2014, 11:59:07 PM
Arrrghh or double arrrggghhh.....

The first is my phone is having a wobbler so I can't include lewisant's quote including the mail link!

The second arrrgghh is am I the only one who cringed at one line reading this??

I assume this is meant to be a good new story - all players training etc etc. But surely AI you are aware that there is a perception of some senior players holding all the power. So rather than say I have all players fit and for the first time I can pick players to play in the role that as head coach I think best strengthens the teams instead he says......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on September 19, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
....... for the first time we can play all of our players in the places they want to play.

Arrrgghhhh!

(and not least because I accidentally posted half way through)

I believe the phrase begins..... you can't help people who......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 19, 2014, 06:49:52 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-finally-injury-7795376

There's a lot if encouraging words in this article, particularly the final paragraph where Irvine mentions how he is happy players have played out of position but now wants everybody playing where they want to play. Squad declared "injury free" although he does have a line where he stresses that injury-free doesn't necessarily mean match fit.

Much more promising but a few possible undertones of lowering our hopes of seeing all the new faces. All I ask is for Sess/Blanco in the middle and a new winger on the right with Gamboa and Leacott in at the back. Please do it Alan and prove us all wrong. Don't persist with the same team and if you really want to make us happy then drop the entire back line minus poco!

there have been more press releases this season than there has been in the last 5 years put together.

talk is cheap...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on September 19, 2014, 07:16:06 AM
Didn't he say the same last week and then put the same team as normal out?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 19, 2014, 08:00:14 AM
Didn't he say the same last week and then put the same team as normal out?

I don't remember him saying it but maybe I missed it.

It seems to be trying to be a good news article but there's one or two sentences that are not-so-subtle attempts of lowerin our hopes of seeing wholesale changes.

It's good news that they're all fit and fully training, lets just hope Irvine can see the changes that we all think need making.

Looking at the Spurs 'team' thread, it's almost 100% agreed between us fans that Gamboa, Mac, Lescott and Poco should start while its also agreed by almost all that the attacking midfield three should be Blanco, Varela and Sess. Many would like to see Yacob alongside Mulumbu also. Can't see all this happening though!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 19, 2014, 08:43:41 AM
Didn't he say the same last week and then put the same team as normal out?

yes  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 19, 2014, 09:01:31 AM
big game for him on sunday starting with his team selection
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 19, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
big game for him on sunday starting with his team selection

We've said the same since day one of the season  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 19, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
We've said the same since day one of the season  ;D


OUCH Atmosphere against Burnley if we get battered.I really do expect at least a draw with a performance against Spurs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 19, 2014, 09:19:54 AM
big game for him on sunday starting with his team selection
Big piece in Mail about how we finally have everyone available, but if you read in full Irvine makes a statement along the lines of ' People need to understand there's a difference between not being injured and being fit to play'
Sounds like he might be justifying not selecting the new boys in advance. If so and we see the same old dross, then he will have proved he has no guts and will have burnt all bridges as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 19, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
First of all i don't want him sacked yet or after the spurs game, They have some quality players but a performance and full debut for a couple of the new boys will be a start, If its the same team as last few weeks i will feel for those fans who no doubt spent £100 plus on a dayout, Its so bland at the moment its bordering on similar lines as cash in the attic and other stagmit dayshows, We need to add creativity and pace in midfield and im afraid these top up mini extra pre seasons aint going to cut it for much longer with our fans plus hes digging himself a bigger whole week by week by not throwing any of them in. Ill look at it again after the cup match and burnley home games and if nothings changed i will probably join the masses considering our difficult run in, I really think its pointless though while coach Downing remains at the helm it wont work period for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 19, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
Big piece in Mail about how we finally have everyone available, but if you read in full Irvine makes a statement along the lines of ' People need to understand there's a difference between not being injured and being fit to play'Sounds like he might be justifying not selecting the new boys in advance. If so and we see the same old dross, then he will have proved he has no guts and will have burnt all bridges as far as I am concerned.


So why are they not getting match fit in the reserves then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on September 19, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
I don't expect us to beat Spurs but if he puts out the same stale players with the same boring tactics I will be very angry, I'm going down to the game because I love Albion and want to be entertained, I still have a slight glimmer of hope with the he new players yet to play but it's wearing thin.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 19, 2014, 10:24:54 AM

So why are they not getting match fit in the reserves then

To be fair reserves do not have regular games anymore and its under 21's which means only the keeper and I think 3 maximum outfield players are allowed.

I like the comment about players will be able to play where they want after being played out of position, well realistically its only Dorrans and Berahino who have been played out of position, the rest are all in natural postions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on September 19, 2014, 11:39:01 AM
This is where the problems lie now for all clubs  no regular second string games to get players back into some form or fitness.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 19, 2014, 12:06:45 PM
This was a perfect opportunity for him to come out fighting and say 'judge me now that I have a full squad', instead he is giving the impression that he is either too scared, stubborn or stupid to take a risk.
This has been his downfall in the past and I fear it will be this time also.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 19, 2014, 12:16:39 PM
there wouldn't be a fans backlash. he would be praised by the majority if the poll is anything to go by.
How can he be praised for correcting something he should never have done in the first place!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 19, 2014, 01:02:02 PM

OUCH Atmosphere against Burnley if we get battered.I really do expect at least a draw with a performance against Spurs

I'm not expecting anything but a loss but what I do want to see is a bit of energy, a bit of spirit, a bit of imagination, a bit of movement and bit of forward thinking.  If we can get that I can forgive a defeat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 19, 2014, 01:24:50 PM
I'm not expecting anything but a loss but what I do want to see is a bit of energy, a bit of spirit, a bit of imagination, a bit of movement and bit of forward thinking.  If we can get that I can forgive a defeat.

Exactly my view for any game. If we go down fighting and show positive signs I don't mind , especially against teams with much better players.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on September 19, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
I'm not expecting anything but a loss but what I do want to see is a bit of energy, a bit of spirit, a bit of imagination, a bit of movement and bit of forward thinking.  If we can get that I can forgive a defeat.

Thats spot on, at this level and where we are at as a club (even when Hodgson was incharge) you know the majority of games may well end in defeat but its the performances in those defeats and how you bounce back from a small run of losses.

The fact we have hardly created much this season is the biggest worry its hard enough to score at this level and even harder if those players whoose job it is to score these goals are feeding on scraps.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 19, 2014, 02:23:23 PM
I'm not expecting anything but a loss but what I do want to see is a bit of energy, a bit of spirit, a bit of imagination, a bit of movement and bit of forward thinking.  If we can get that I can forgive a defeat.

My view too. But given the time and money spent on the squad in this close season, this is also the kind of game I want to see us going to draw at the least, if only because that's the sign of a confident and able team, and it'd get my stress levels right down.

Put in this way: under Roy and during Clarke's first season, the teams like Spurs and Everton (supposedly the 'next level' above us in the Prem) were ones we were going toe to toe with, and in some cases beating.

Like you say, if we go down fighting then that I can accept. At least it'd indicate there's something like the old spirit there to be rekindled.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on September 19, 2014, 03:21:11 PM
See Irvine is spouting the same old rubbish at this afternoons presser. "Everyones fit"...... (good good go on al).....but lets not expect too much from some of the players as they are STILL behind the rest.....and so on. Doh!!......and you were doing so well Al. But not to worry im sure they'll all stay fit for the rest of the season and we'll have 40  points by February.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 19, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
Lets see some fighting spirit from the players! After all they seem to say what a great coach he is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on September 19, 2014, 03:46:05 PM
See Irvine is spouting the same old rubbish at this afternoons presser. "Everyones fit"...... (good good go on al).....but lets not expect too much from some of the players as they are STILL behind the rest.....and so on. Doh!!......and you were doing so well Al. But not to worry im sure they'll all stay fit for the rest of the season and we'll have 40  points by February.


Couldn't be to keep the THFC team guessing then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 19, 2014, 04:08:05 PM

Couldn't be to keep the THFC team guessing then?


yes most likely, just like he gave nothing away against Everton
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 19, 2014, 04:14:13 PM

Couldn't be to keep the THFC team guessing then?
Wishful thinking?
Time will tell, but my gut feeling is we will see a very similar team to Everton. I hope I'm wrong, however, and he puts out a more attack minded team.
Not bothered about the result, we can't expect to beat Tottenham, but we have to see some intent. If he puts the same slow, predictable old school out and it turns out to be another training session for the opposition a-la Everton, who played poorly but still won at a cantor, then he clearly has no stomach for this level.
At around 13:10 on Sunday, we will see what Irvine is really made of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 19, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
To be fair reserves do not have regular games anymore and its under 21's which means only the keeper and I think 3 maximum outfield players are allowed.

I like the comment about players will be able to play where they want after being played out of position, well realistically its only Dorrans and Berahino who have been played out of position, the rest are all in natural postions.

Should it not be "I am now able to pick players in the positions that I think they are best suited to"? What he said reads like the players make the decisions as to where they want to play, rather than the head coach, don't you think?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 19, 2014, 04:40:06 PM
Should it not be "I am now able to pick players in the positions that I think they are best suited to"? What he said reads like the players make the decisions as to where they want to play, rather than the head coach, don't you think?

poor choice of words, no more than that, lets hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 19, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
You would hope after the 4 games we have played he can see that his tactics are not working. Hopefully with a full squad to choose from he will attempt to put out a more attacking side. Only Sunday will tell
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 19, 2014, 04:50:47 PM
I keep reading how poor Everton were but that's because we made them look poor, Irvine's tactics were spot on. As long as we cut the mistakes out and add some much needed creativity and quality to our attacking play which the new signings may bring then we're looking good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 19, 2014, 04:58:05 PM
I keep reading how poor Everton were but that's because we made them look poor, Irvine's tactics were spot on. As long as we cut the mistakes out and add some much needed creativity and quality to our attacking play which the new signings may bring then we're looking good.

What tactics were they then? Hold them to a 0-0? He hasn't got a clue and the sooner he has gone the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 19, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
I keep reading how poor Everton were but that's because we made them look poor, Irvine's tactics were spot on. As long as we cut the mistakes out and add some much needed creativity and quality to our attacking play which the new signings may bring then we're looking good.

I've heard it all now. If you hadn't acquired mod status I'd almost think you were trolling. We were comfortably beaten two nil at home and you suggest our head coach got his tactics spot on. Pull the other one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 19, 2014, 05:20:49 PM
I've looked at his Sheffield Wednesday results before getting sacked, it included one win in eight games in League one and a 5-1 defeat to Exeter and 4-0 defeat to Leyton Orient. The season before in The Championship when he got them relegated he won 1 of the last 10 games. He got sacked from Preston with 1 win in 8 games. So basically when a team goes on a bad run he hasn't got a clue how to stop it. I'm sure he's a good coach and I'm sure he works well with academy players so he would have been a great appointment for the U21 team but as Head Coach it's an abysmal appointment. His style of football is awful too.
Please please please explain what exactly it is that has made you change your mind so dramatically between June 15th and now. I completely agreed with your initial assessment, but genuinely puzzled by your change of heart.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 19, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
I keep reading how poor Everton were but that's because we made them look poor, Irvine's tactics were spot on. As long as we cut the mistakes out and add some much needed creativity and quality to our attacking play which the new signings may bring then we're looking good.

Good post & I agree re the tactics, had it been a Pepe Mel team pressing high up the pitch & negating Evertons attacks (until we started chasing the game at 0-2) folks would probably be blaming the TWO defensive mistakes which effectively cost us the game, as its an Alan Irvine team there's no room for unemotional views, as you say a bit more creativity is needed & I feel we will see that over the next few games.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 19, 2014, 05:42:07 PM
I've heard it all now. If you hadn't acquired mod status I'd almost think you were trolling. We were comfortably beaten two nil at home and you suggest our head coach got his tactics spot on. Pull the other one.

Not trolling at all, just a different opinion that's all. I think first half we were the better team and Everton virtually created nothing yet a mistake costs us. I'm sure Irvine didn't tell Olsson to pass it to Lukaku. I felt we passed the ball well at times but lacked quality in the final third to create and finish chances. Second half Everton played better but again got their goal due to a bad error from Foster. Of course we need to improve but Irvine's options have been limited early on in the season and I think he needs to be cut a bit of slack.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 19, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Should it not be "I am now able to pick players in the positions that I think they are best suited to"? What he said reads like the players make the decisions as to where they want to play, rather than the head coach, don't you think?
Over analysis probably of a throw away statement.  Players will play where they are told but ultimately if it is where they feel most comfortable it is more likely they will perform better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 19, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
Please please please explain what exactly it is that has made you change your mind so dramatically between June 15th and now. I completely agreed with your initial assessment, but genuinely puzzled by your change of heart.

Not sure why you feel the need to bring up Legends previous post twice within a few days & ask the same question, is he not allowed to change his mind? have you never changed your mind or opinion?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on September 19, 2014, 05:48:40 PM
A nation-wide hysteria? Am I reading that correctly?  :D

Amongst Wbako's pals, yes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on September 19, 2014, 05:52:03 PM
My concern is his reaction to periods within a game, I actually think his sides look organised but theres no movement or impetus when the game develops.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 19, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
Please please please explain what exactly it is that has made you change your mind so dramatically between June 15th and now. I completely agreed with your initial assessment, but genuinely puzzled by your change of heart.

I explained this a few days ago and if I were trolling (!) about Irvine I could have said it was a fantastic appointment as soon as he was made Head Coach.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on September 19, 2014, 06:30:08 PM
As long as we cut the mistakes out and add some much needed creativity and quality to our attacking play which the new signings may bring then we're looking good.
Say it quickly ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 19, 2014, 07:01:42 PM
Needs a full blooded performance on Sunday , another limp one simply won't do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 19, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
My concern is his reaction to periods within a game, I actually think his sides look organised but theres no movement or impetus when the game develops.

That is one concern. I like (who doesn't) that his side looks organized. But when that is about one of the very few positives then Irvine is on very thin ice. Organized is good. But being organized does not mean you have to be flat, predictable, uncreative, slow, stale and so on either does it.  Obviously any coach/manager has to be able to adapt to changing conditions on the field, not just follow a pre set game plan no matter what happens in front of you.

The only time Irvine seems proactive is when he turtles to protect a lead....

People can pray for miracles but Irvine's first instinct will always be to be careful and defensive. He will not become some super manager/coach all of a sudden after a career of mediocrity. Our hope now, if Irvine is indeed to survive, is that our so far mostly unseen signings prove superlative and can add that crucial cutting edge so we can finally win some football games again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 19, 2014, 07:43:43 PM
Not sure why you feel the need to bring up Legends previous post twice within a few days & ask the same question, is he not allowed to change his mind? have you never changed your mind or opinion?
Obviously I have, and I wasn't being critical, just interested in the reasons why. If asking twice has caused anyone any offence, then I give my humble apologies
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 19, 2014, 07:48:39 PM
Fully fit squad. Then he has no excuses then A poor performance and he's hanging on with his finger nails.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 19, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
Obviously I have, and I wasn't being critical, just interested in the reasons why. If asking twice has caused anyone any offence, then I give my humble apologies

I'm pretty sure no offence was taken so no apologies necessary, however, I'd like to ask your good self, if Legend had good reasons for his change of mind towards AI & he explained those reasons, would you feel inclined to be more positive about Irvine? just curious as to what difference it would make.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on September 19, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
If they were good reasons, yes, I'm not so arrogant that I think I'm always right. Like everyone else here, there's nothing I would like more than for it all to suddenly turn around, we start playing attractive football, picking up a few points and climbing up the table. I just haven't seen any evidence of it yet, and frankly I don't think I will. That's my opinion. If I end up being wrong, I'll hold my hands up and will be very happy to do so, as it will mean we are improving, and that's all any of us want to see.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 19, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
Fully fit squad. Then he has no excuses then A poor performance and he's hanging on with his finger nails.
He said there were no injuries, but he also said that being injury free does not mean match fit.

Same team I fear
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on September 19, 2014, 09:54:38 PM
If they were good reasons, yes, I'm not so arrogant that I think I'm always right. Like everyone else here, there's nothing I would like more than for it all to suddenly turn around, we start playing attractive football, picking up a few points and climbing up the table. I just haven't seen any evidence of it yet, and frankly I don't think I will. That's my opinion. If I end up being wrong, I'll hold my hands up and will be very happy to do so, as it will mean we are improving, and that's all any of us want to see.

I'm in exactly the same camp bud. I'm just dreading another limp and dour performance with no real intent to take the initiative.......oh balls, blah blah blah I'm boring myself and probably others too! We all know what's going to be 'served up ' at Spurs so why do we even bother?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 19, 2014, 10:27:22 PM
I'm in exactly the same camp bud. I'm just dreading another limp and dour performance with no real intent to take the initiative.......oh balls, blah blah blah I'm boring myself and probably others too! We all know what's going to be 'served up ' at Spurs so why do we even bother?!

Never felt more desperate about the Albion. This feels - strangely - worse than our League One days, weird....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on September 19, 2014, 10:45:38 PM
Never felt more desperate about the Albion. This feels - strangely - worse than our League One days, weird....
wait till 1.50pm on Sunday when we are 2-0 down ....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 20, 2014, 06:21:56 AM
I feel the writing is on the wall for AI.
Nothing less that a blood and thunder performance will do on Sunday, followed by a straight win next Wednseday.
Failure in these two games and a loss to Burnley and the fat lady will be ready to gargle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_1 on September 20, 2014, 08:05:15 AM
Just seen he has been biggin up Tottenham saying how creative they are and are a threat going forward ( can't see a manager saying that about us this season!) So looks like he will be goin for the 0-0 and see us loose 3-0  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on September 20, 2014, 08:43:28 AM
We all have our favourites and managers are no different but they should keep this to themselves.
I think AI is making a big mistake telling the media how he always admired Brunt and Morrison when he was working at Newcastle and how he thinks Morrison is going to be an important player for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 20, 2014, 10:35:08 AM
This bloke is way out of his depth in this league, bring Pepe Mel back.With the support Irvine has had Mel would have thrived
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 20, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Big week for Irvine coming up.

I know he may break into a cold sweat at the sheer thought of it but with Hull and Burnley coming up we're actually going to have to try and win a game of football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 20, 2014, 10:59:43 AM
This bloke is way out of his depth in this league, bring Pepe Mel back.With the support Irvine has had Mel would have thrived
You would say that, but there is no guarantees that he would have sorted the back line out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jim68 on September 20, 2014, 11:15:39 AM
This bloke is way out of his depth in this league, bring Pepe Mel back.With the support Irvine has had Mel would have thrived
yes should have kept mel and cleared the decks straight after last season finished; too many old hands are in the comfort zone reading the papers this morning doesnt bode well on team selection i fear the worst get yacob back in asap :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 20, 2014, 11:21:29 AM
You would say that, but there is no guarantees that he would have sorted the back line out



No change with Irvine there then, at least with Pepe we showed attacking intent, with a decent defensive coach Pepe Mel would have suceeded.Its far to stale what we have at the minute.We all know whats coming this week on the field of play.Negative football and unhappy supporters
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on September 20, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Just read in the paper irvines going to stick with brunt. Any good manager with a strong attitude will drop any player who his out of form real worry if irvines going to pick certain players no matter how they perform.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
This bloke is way out of his depth in this league, bring Pepe Mel back.With the support Irvine has had Mel would have thrived

Absobloodylutely. Totally agree.

Now get over it, will never happen   >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 20, 2014, 01:27:13 PM
This time next week will most likely be his last Saturday at the club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggieblood on September 20, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
Problem is who comes in to replace him!

Pulis would keep us up, but we'd probably end off gauging our eyes out watching his hoof ball!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 20, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Problem is who comes in to replace him!

Pulis would keep us up, but we'd probably end off gauging our eyes out watching his hoof ball!

Can it really get any worse? I'd say not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 20, 2014, 01:53:56 PM
Problem is who comes in to replace him!

Pulis would keep us up, but we'd probably end off gauging our eyes out watching his hoof ball!

To be fair when Pulis was at Palace they played some attractive football with wingers
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 20, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Problem is who comes in to replace him!

Pulis would keep us up, but we'd probably end off gauging our eyes out watching his hoof ball!


10 times better viewing than what we are watching at the moment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on September 20, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
A squad that is "injury free" but the new players are still not "match fit"? Banging on about "mini pre-seasons"? Praising Brunt and Morrison? This guys interviews are laughable.

He will continue to pick the same clowns every week without fail. Get this clueless tit out now for the love of god.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggieblood on September 20, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
Don't get me wrong i want him out.

And i heard Pulis did play some ok stuff at palace with the likes of ince and Bolaise but the fact is he will not work for JP and his constraints.

A short term fix like at palace may suit JP but cannot see pulis becoming a nomad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
A squad that is "injury free" but the new players are still not "match fit"? Banging on about "mini pre-seasons"? Praising Brunt and Morrison? This guys interviews are laughable.

He will continue to pick the same clowns every week without fail. Get this clueless tit out now for the love of god.
How about you wait until tomorrow until you see what actually happens? Could easily be praising Morrison and Brunt for their professionalism during an injury crisis knowing that their positions are under threat and whilst receiving hostility from their own supporters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on September 20, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
I think the poll says it all, and if Peace is true to his word and he has learnt from last years mistakes, then AI should be gone sooner than later, and he MUST have a ready replacement lined up, no more waiting for two months just to appoint another 'risk'.

Stop being MR Cheap guy Peace, and appoint someone with decent experience and a MANAGER this time, because quite frankly we are totally rudderless at the moment from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggieblood on September 20, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
Dorrans, Morrison and Brunt in midfield is what we got promted with!

Where is the progression?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 20, 2014, 03:16:27 PM
Dorrans, Morrison and Brunt in midfield is what we got promted with!

Where is the progression?

My thoughts exactly. We have spent millions in the last 5 years but at the end of the day have our championship midfield. These guys have been excellent servants to the club and are useful squad players in the prem, but we have not made the jump in quality that is needed. Or maybe we have in terms of personnel but not in mindset. Still, if we play those 3 this year maybe they will stick with us when we are back at their level in the Champo next season.

Honestly if we lined up with foster Gamboa Macca lescott poco mulla yacob varela sess blanco and ideye tomorrow and still got tanked 3-0 I would be 10 time happier just knowing we are thinking proactively.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 20, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
If he picks the usual dross and we lose ..............toast.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on September 20, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
For me a top head coach is important.Why dont we spend some money on bringing in the best available.We just spent 10 million on a striker why not the same on a leader of men on the touchline
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 20, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
Agree. we spend shedloads on players........but????
We are totally, totally screwed..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 20, 2014, 03:41:13 PM
Problem is who comes in to replace him!

Pulis would keep us up, but we'd probably end off gauging our eyes out watching his hoof ball!

Watching us win ugly rather than lose ugly... Hmmm... Tough decision!  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2014, 03:43:10 PM
For me a top head coach is important.Why dont we spend some money on bringing in the best available.We just spent 10 million on a striker why not the same on a leader of men on the touchline

We should have paid what was required to get Moyes to sign on the dotted line IMO...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 20, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Record signing for a player.........head coach from the job centre.......hello!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2014, 03:55:23 PM
Dorrans, Morrison and Brunt in midfield is what we got promted with!

Where is the progression?

Brunt was our top scorer in the PL in the Mowbray season. Morrison had played 70 odd Prem games. Dorrans came to the fore in the Championship.  Brunt and Morrison were already Premier League players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 20, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
Brunt and Morrison were already Premier League players.

That doesn't mean both are good enough though. Both are players who need to be moved on in my opinion because they have become too stale and this squad needs to evolve.

The same also applies to Dorrans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 20, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
But its not him.......its the current coaching set up that needs to be totally changed. He is probably a good coach , but in this current set up he is just a pawn in a bigger plan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2014, 05:01:29 PM
Nice one Irvine bottom of the pile >:(
:-[

Season doesn't finish after 4 games. He is now getting grief on days we don't have games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 20, 2014, 05:08:52 PM
Apparently Varela and Lescott not involved tomorrow.

Still not 'match fit' obviously.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 20, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
:-[

Season doesn't finish after 4 games. He is now getting grief on days we don't have games.


He never stood a chance when 95% Albion fans didnt welcome the appointment at all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 20, 2014, 05:12:29 PM

He never stood a chance when 95% Albion fans didnt welcome the appointment at all

C'mon Dev thats totally incorrect.............85.9% top of the page
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 20, 2014, 05:16:44 PM
C'mon Dev thats totally incorrect.............85.9% top of the page


He must have grown in population on some of you then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
:-[

Season doesn't finish after 4 games. He is now getting grief on days we don't have games.

True, but do you REALLY think we have what it takes to dig ourselves out of this position with Irvine and The Dingle running the show? Blimey....

I have found myself eying up the Chumps table to see what we are going to be doing next season. And also who we might be selling come May.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 20, 2014, 05:20:47 PM
Cant rememeber but did we at any stage hit rock bottom at all last season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on September 20, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
Cant rememeber but did we at any stage hit rock bottom at all last season

I don't think so. But it means that Irvine has to go for it tomorrow. Question is will he?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 20, 2014, 05:28:45 PM
So, if we were to win tomorrow and go up to 14th (I am not expecting it to happen by the way,  not a reflection on Irvine but an assessment of Tottenham) should we give him manager of the month?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
So, if we were to win tomorrow and go up to 14th (I am not expecting it to happen by the way,  not a reflection on Irvine but an assessment of Tottenham) should we give him manager of the month?

I'll kick Bishop Brennan up the ar$e if Father Ted pulls that one off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on September 20, 2014, 05:46:46 PM
He has to give new players a chance or what was the point in bringing in all these new players. If he sticks with same team then peace should get rid asap along with rest of coaching staff this clown is foooking up my weekends
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on September 20, 2014, 05:51:09 PM
Just seen he has been biggin up Tottenham saying how creative they are and are a threat going forward ( can't see a manager saying that about us this season!) So looks like he will be goin for the 0-0 and see us loose 3-0  :P
Irvine thinks a 0-0 is a positive.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 20, 2014, 05:58:54 PM
True, but do you REALLY think we have what it takes to dig ourselves out of this position with Irvine and The Dingle running the show? Blimey....

I have found myself eying up the Chumps table to see what we are going to be doing next season. And also who we might be selling come May.

"The Dingle" had a big part in keeping us up last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 20, 2014, 06:04:51 PM
"The Dingle" had a big part in keeping us up last season.

Must have lost his magic touch then? Or if that's true - which it isn't in my opinion, in fact he is the one constant in our crappyness - give him the bleeding job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 20, 2014, 06:05:17 PM
"The Dingle" had a big part in keeping us up last season.

Disagree. I think we stayed up in spite of him.

The cliques around the players, the atmosphere that was too 'pally' ... has a lot to do with KD.

Let's put it this way, he didn't go out of his way to embrace Pepe's style and ensure players followed suit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 20, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
Pepe Mel and his attacking mindset got us over the line along with the uplifting of the supporters who again was down to Pepe Mel who tried to beat the opposition at a game of football, nowt to do with anyone else.We have been going down hill for nearly 2 years and guess whos still there coaching
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on September 20, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
So we hit rock bottom so early on the season...........I was really hoping we might get our act together despite the AI appointment and things might 'click'.
They still MIGHT but I wonder when it will be before we climb out of the bottom three as I expect nothing tomorrow and, with all the pressure on the must win Burnley game, I'm dreading next week...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bishop brennan on September 20, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
I'll kick Bishop Brennan up the ar$e if Father Ted pulls that one off.

Excuse me  :o

You have to catch me first !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 20, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
Well we are bottom of the table now after today's results. If we beat Spurs tomorrow I'm sure all will look right with the world but if we don't (which i don't think we will) that Burnley game looks massive even so early in the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on September 20, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Well we are bottom of the table now after today's results. If we beat Spurs tomorrow I'm sure all will look right with the world but if we don't (which i don't think we will) that Burnley game looks massive even so early in the season.

We are bottom and there to stay in my opinion. Ill happily have a bet with anyone that we wont win a game while irvines in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 20, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
"The Dingle" had a big part in keeping us up last season.

We stayed up due to the fact there were 3 truely woeful sides below us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 20, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
So we hit rock bottom so early on the season...........I was really hoping we might get our act together despite the AI appointment and things might 'click'.
They still MIGHT but I wonder when it will be before we climb out of the bottom three as I expect nothing tomorrow and, with all the pressure on the must win Burnley game, I'm dreading next week...

I'm dreading the week after if Ted hasn't been sent back to Craggy Island.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on September 20, 2014, 10:05:03 PM
We are bottom and there to stay in my opinion. Ill happily have a bet with anyone that we wont win a game while irvines in charge.
no takers on your offer then, i wonder why.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 20, 2014, 11:32:40 PM
We are bottom and there to stay in my opinion. Ill happily have a bet with anyone that we wont win a game while irvines in charge.

I'll take the bet, £10 to the winners chosen charity
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
I'll take the bet, £10 to the winners chosen charity

You'll need to set some ground rules following the debacle of people not understanding the Oxford result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 20, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
You'll need to set some ground rules following the debacle of people not understanding the Oxford result.

The game we won according to FA rules you mean  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 PM
The game we won on penalties?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
The game we drew 1-1 for all historical records and in this case more importantly for betting purposes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on September 20, 2014, 11:57:49 PM
That game didn't end till we won the penalty shoot out which ever way you look at it. I agree this bet should specify "wont win a 90 minute football match under Irvine" if that's what wbarenno means.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 21, 2014, 12:00:33 AM
The game we drew 1-1 for all historical records and in this case more importantly for betting purposes.

Not wishing to drag this all up again but do we have to have a replay? or are we deemed to have won the game according to the FA ruling on penalty shoot outs, the bookies don't matter one iota, own goals don't count when backing first goalscorer but the scorers name still goes through on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 21, 2014, 12:26:46 AM
Keep him as assistant  manager  but wouldn't mind pardew after all that's happening at Newcastle or pulis
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 21, 2014, 06:17:52 AM
Keep him as assistant  manager  but wouldn't mind pardew after all that's happening at Newcastle or pulis

You wouldn't want Pardew if you read the Pardew out website!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 21, 2014, 07:28:16 AM
You wouldn't want Pardew if you read the Pardew out website!
That website is absolute drivel and could make Mourinho look awful. On the 'bad performances' section it notes a 0-1 loss to West Ham in 2011 and it also says how in 2012 he went 7 games without a win. It's nit-picking at its finest and only selects the worst results/news to show.

It conveniently forgets how he's had to sell his best players consistently, their top 6 finish and the budget he's working on. 4 years in a Premiership job these days is no mistake - I understand people don't like his personality but he shouldn't be judged on that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 07:31:41 AM
That website is absolute drivel and could make Mourinho look awful. On the 'bad performances' section it notes a 0-1 loss to West Ham in 2011 and it also says how in 2012 he went 7 games without a win. It's nit-picking at its finest and only selects the worst results/news to show.

It conveniently forgets how he's had to sell his best players consistently, their top 6 finish and the budget he's working on. 4 years in a Premiership job these days is no mistake - I understand people don't like his personality but he shouldn't be judged on that.
But aren't the Newcastle fans the best judges?  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 08:08:09 AM
Pepe Mel and his attacking mindset got us over the line along with the uplifting of the supporters who again was down to Pepe Mel who tried to beat the opposition at a game of football, nowt to do with anyone else.We have been going down hill for nearly 2 years and guess whos still there coaching
So, I need to get this straight in my head. Did Pepe Mel have control of the squad and coaches or not?
The three games we won out of the 17 he was in charge were down to him and the  8 losses were the responsibility of Downing?
Pulis' history of commonly regarded poke your eyes out "football" at Stoke can be disregarded but Irvine not doing well at a club in turmoil is deserved of not giving him an opportunity now?
Football supporters are more inconsistent than women.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on September 21, 2014, 08:56:01 AM
What we need to see from Irvine today is some proof that he knows what he's doing - a plan to win a game of football; the ability to motive this squad and something positive from even a defeat. We have seen little so far that he can do this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 21, 2014, 09:26:24 AM
But aren't the Newcastle fans the best judges?  :-X

Not without coaching badges.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on September 21, 2014, 09:40:03 AM
But aren't the Newcastle fans the best judges?  :-X

The Pardew out campaign has about 200 supporters worldwide!! And that came from the bloke who organised it. A complete and utter numbskull. True NUFC fans must have cringed with embarrassment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B714LF on September 21, 2014, 10:16:57 AM
What we need to see from Irvine today is some proof that he knows what he's doing - a plan to win a game of football; the ability to motive this squad and something positive from even a defeat. We have seen little so far that he can do this.

I agree. I don't really care if we win loose or draw as long as we something positive we can take into future games which just not being shown at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 21, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
I have a suspicion that we will never get anything near exciting football from Irvine, the man is as bland as bread and 'taters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 10:43:57 AM
As the above say, it's more his intent and method, rather than results so far. I would have hoped for 2 more points by now, but Swansea and Everton were always losses in my mind as is today.

In regards to Downing and Kiely, the setup of Head coach really does require continuity and thus we needs a background of coaches who are there as a constant. So their positions in theory are a good idea. Otherwise when a head coach leaves for whatever reason it guts the club and ruins any sense of momentum.

The issue is, if they have favourites, not in a callous, cynical way, but just like we all have people we prefer, then those biases get pushed into the new head coach. Granted they could see through them, but it would take months I think. Thus Brunt (although I mostly think he's ok!), Morrison et al being picked constantly.

For me, the home game against Burnley will be vital for AI (not only because I'll be there!) If he attacks them and shows his intent to win then brill, but if he plays defensive and would rather just not lose, then he has to go. Being too defensive does work in the prem. teams can always score "wonder goals" or someone slips and you're being and screwed.

Today is a bonus, I expect a 4-1 loss, but lets see if AI surprises us?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
Hopefully he will be gone this time tomorrow even if that means we have to endure a heavy defeat today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 21, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
How will the club and JP make themselves look if we get rid of a manager after 5 prem games - and how will that look to prospective replacement managers ?

If after 12 - 14 games we still haven't won and there's no sign of us picking up, then that's the first time he's going to be in serious danger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 10:59:20 AM
How will the club and JP make themselves look if we get rid of a manager after 5 prem games - and how will that look to prospective replacement managers ?

If after 12 - 14 games we still haven't won and there's no sign of us picking up, then that's the first time he's going to be in serious danger.

JP has spoken repeatedly about how much AI impressed and how the back rooms of the Albion are happier than before. I cannot foresee him sacking AI until at least November and that will only be if we're truly dreadful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
How will the club and JP make themselves look if we get rid of a manager after 5 prem games - and how will that look to prospective replacement managers ?

If after 12 - 14 games we still haven't won and there's no sign of us picking up, then that's the first time he's going to be in serious danger.

There will be hundreds of Managers/Coaches out there that would give their left arm to take the reins of a Premier League club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 21, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
The Pardew out campaign has about 200 supporters worldwide!! And that came from the bloke who organised it. A complete and utter numbskull. True NUFC fans must have cringed with embarrassment.

I watched the Newcastle game and their show of support for Pardew out on the 5 minute was embarrassing and a website is an extreme overkill after all it will make no difference but I'm not sure what is the best way to show your disapproval or is there any point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on September 21, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
 i believe that if we get tonked by 4 or 5 today and the starting line up contains few if any of the summer signings the axe will fall. He has said he will get it right given time well imo he has to earn that time and nothing so far has hinted that would be the case,today would be a good place to start but honestly cant see it  >:( >:( :( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 21, 2014, 11:35:32 AM
I don't think today will be the decider I think it will be against burnley which I am going to...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 11:43:01 AM
There will be hundreds of Managers/Coaches out there that would give their left arm to take the reins of a Premier League club.

Interestingly I read a few weeks ago Albion are about the 35th highest ranked club, income wise, in the world (almost entirely down to sky money obviously). So the only hinderences would be our lack of European football and our setup (which I agree with, but OGS stated was partly why he left Cardiff).

How we were unable to attract a surprisingly good coach is a mild suprise if I'm honest. It's not like we did things on the cheap this summer? £16mill-ish on fees and a huge amount on wages.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 21, 2014, 11:51:35 AM
How will the club and JP make themselves look if we get rid of a manager after 5 prem games - and how will that look to prospective replacement managers ?

If after 12 - 14 games we still haven't won and there's no sign of us picking up, then that's the first time he's going to be in serious danger.

Thing is, Irvine wasn't appointed on the day of the Sunderland game, he had been our "head coach" for two months prior to this and has now been "in charge" for over three months. In this time we as supporters have had five real occasions to assess how well the man is doing his job in the form of competitive matches.

In his time here you would have atleast expected him to have put some sort of stamp on a side which was pretty much clueless tactically and lacking any identity for the whole season prior. For him to be doing a good job we would be picking up positive results and as a bare minimum we would be displaying some sort of positive attacking threat against sides like Sunderland and especially Oxford for Christ's sake. The worrying thing is there hasn't even been a glimmer of a positive performance or result in the five chances he has had to show the work he has done in his new job. And don't even get me started on his interviews.

He could be given all the time in the world but the guy patently isn't going to do the business, the longer we stick with him the deeper we will sink into the abyss.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 21, 2014, 11:54:05 AM
Thing is, Irvine wasn't appointed on the day of the Sunderland game, he had been our "head coach" for two months prior to this and has now been "in charge" for over three months. In this time we as supporters have had five real occasions to assess how well the man is doing his job in the form of competitive matches.

In his time here you would have atleast expected him to have put some sort of stamp on a side which was pretty much clueless tactically and lacking any identity for the whole season prior. For him to be doing a good job we would be picking up positive results and as a bare minimum we would be displaying some sort of positive attacking threat against sides like Sunderland and especially Oxford for Christ's sake. The worrying thing is there hasn't even been a glimmer of a positive performance or result in the five chances he has had to show the work he has done in his new job. And don't even get me started on his interviews.

He could be given all the time in the world but the guy patently isn't going to do the business, the longer we stick with him the deeper we will sink into the abyss.
But can you honestly see JP getting shot of him after 5 prem games ? No chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 21, 2014, 11:55:57 AM
There will be hundreds of Managers/Coaches out there that would give their left arm to take the reins of a Premier League club.
I'm not so sure while Irvine is a disaster for us the bigger problem is the man at the top
We are only going to get coaches of a similar standing to that of AI while Peace's system is in place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
I'm not so sure while Irvine is a disaster for us the bigger problem is the man at the top
We are only going to get coaches of a similar standing to that of AI while Peace's system is in place.

"JP's system" is just a continental approach, as done by the vast majority of Europe's top clubs. So it's not the set up that's the issue. Anyone unwilling to work as part of the team and only willing to be a top dog dictator is someone I wouldn't want here. The big Sam type manager is dying for a reason.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 21, 2014, 12:10:28 PM
"JP's system" is just a continental approach, as done by the vast majority of Europe's top clubs. So it's not the set up that's the issue. Anyone unwilling to work as part of the team and only willing to be a top dog dictator is someone I wouldn't want here. The big Sam type manager is dying for a reason.
It is a continental approach but it's a very cheap version! and it will affect the quality of coach we are able to attract. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 21, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
How is it cheap? We're running at the limit of our budget as we're not bankrolled. Go on, show me how it's cheap?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 21, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
But can you honestly see JP getting shot of him after 5 prem games ? No chance.

We are doomed if he doesn't because quite frankly he aint up to the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on September 21, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
The bigger worry is, even if he got rid of AI (he won't after five games), we would have about half a dozen matches with Downing and Kiely in charge !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 21, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
Hopefully JP has learnt his lesson and has sounded someone out already
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 21, 2014, 03:20:39 PM
A big improvement today Irvine. Now lets see the same and better against Burnley.Well done you have brought yourself some time with todays performance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_1 on September 21, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
Still annoyed about the performances before today but for today I'm sorry Alan keep it up ....who's next  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 21, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
I for one have a big omelette on my face looking at the starting line up I feared a hammering, but well effin done.

1/ Lescott was great and Dawson looked better with him
2/ 2 lines of 4 in the midfield and defence didn't let spuds in
3/ See and Bera worked hard up front and ran them ragged
4/ AI didn't tinker at 0-0 he let Poch make the first move, it wasn't broke so need to fix it - that's the best thing he has done in his tenure during a game so far.

Lets not waste this result by effing it up against Burnley
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
We are bottom and there to stay in my opinion. Ill happily have a bet with anyone that we wont win a game while irvines in charge.

Didn't even manage 24 hours.  :) Would love to be your bookie  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 21, 2014, 03:30:27 PM
Didn't even manage 24 hours.  :) Would love to be your bookie  ;)

You'll find plenty of them, I'm guilty of a few
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 21, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
Congratulations to Alan on his first Albion win.  One result and performance doesnt convince me he is the right man but more performances like that and he'll win over us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
Sorry big Al, who's next.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 21, 2014, 03:36:37 PM
Congratulations to Alan on his first Albion win.  One result and performance doesnt convince me he is the right man but more performances like that and he'll win over us.

This. Got to give him credit today he got it spot on and showed some guile.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
Can not disagree, one win doesn't suddenly turn him into Alex Ferguson (but first Albion manager to win at WHL in the league for 30 years  :) )
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on September 21, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
Credit to him today..............proved many of us doubters wrong and got it bang on.

Now let's see him be a little more adventurous at home next week as a win of Burnley would really get the season going with a decent 8 points from 6 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
Still want him gone, that result just delays the inevitable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 21, 2014, 03:43:19 PM
Delighted at 3 points.

Mostly delighted for fans - we've been waiting a bloody long time.

Still not convinced by AI. Lescott made a big difference. Still do not see AI being long-term solution.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 21, 2014, 03:44:53 PM
Still want him gone, that result just delays the inevitable.

You are a very reasonable fan and applaud you for it.
Delighted at 3 points.

Mostly delighted for fans - we've been waiting a bloody long time.

Still not convinced by AI. Lescott made a big difference. Still do not see AI being long-term solution.

Who's the main reason Lescott is here?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on September 21, 2014, 03:47:58 PM
Fair play to him today, got a lot of stick, deserves a lot of praise today. Fair play to Alan, hopefully we can push on now. I still have my reservations but he proved me wrong today at least.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 03:51:26 PM
One result does not make him the right person for the job. I'll stick to my Irvine Out guns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 21, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
One result does not make him the right person for the job. I'll stick to my Irvine Out guns.
Personally I'd say it's been quite across the board. Two quite good (Sunderland and today), two quite Bad (Swansea and Everton) and Southampton middle of the road. I don't think we could call it either way, really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 21, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Well Done to Irvine, if we end up eating humble pie, its a dish I will happily eat.

Playing Sess helped, as most of us said, being overly negative was not helpful. Lescott was immense, showed up how poor Olsson has been, big game for Dawson as well, played well, may be much helped by the organisation of Lescott.

First step towards a brighter future, we hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on September 21, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
Great result today and credit to Alan for getting this kind of display out of team. Wasn't impressed with starting eleven but with the inclusion of lescott and Sess
in team thought we were looking for
a point and maybe Nick a point but how wrong was I The whole team was outstanding with special mention to back four and the
two lads up front. The tiniest bit of criticism was the delay in bringing on Vic for Sess other than that, over the moon right now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 21, 2014, 04:23:10 PM
Personally I'd say it's been quite across the board. Two quite good (Sunderland and today), two quite Bad (Swansea and Everton) and Southampton middle of the road. I don't think we could call it either way, really.

On another day we'd not concede last minute against Sunderland and be 2 points better off. On another day we get battered by Spurs. In the grand scheme of things it's a league with HUGE unpredictablities. We drew to a Southampton team that battered Newcastle and are second in the league. We lost to a team who qualified for Europe by two big errors that aren't made every game. We beat another European qualifying team playing comfortably, and by no means a smash and grab away game.

You win games you expect to lose, you lose games you expect to win, and you draw a hell of a lot of games when you're Albion. This weekends results are perfect example that there are no dead cert games. You have to balance games out and so far we are pretty balanced. Uninspiring at times maybe. But as soon as you put in a performance like we did today, it becomes a benchmark. It is evidence we CAN play a certain way. And the players know they can play like that.

How you play for the 90 minutes that matters, is all that matters. We aren't an intrinsically bad team, we just have to play what's in front of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 21, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
I asked for a team that has a go and gives 100% effort not dozy , static football.
Today was a terrific performance much helped by Sess being back in the side , credit to Irvine for starting Saido in front of Brown or Vic in the lone role. We must carry this on now , a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on September 21, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Well done on a good, solid all around team performance Mr Irvine.
Out thought Potchetino tactically, and the player's outfought the Spuds on their own veggie patch.
Great goal celebration too!
 8).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 21, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
I didn't see or listen to the match, work nights so needed the sleep but I'm delighted to hear it was a good performance today. We have set the benchmark with the performance today, need to keep going and hope it wasn't a one off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 21, 2014, 04:58:09 PM
Let me be the first to eat my share of humble pie. In an earlier post I referred to Irvine as a buffoon, well it is clear that, today at least, that title should be bestowed on yours truly.
Never been happier to have egg on my face.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 21, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
I still think there's mass complacency at WBA.  I think this result came off the back of the hounding, jeering and buffeting from the fans last week.  It looks like this needs to be done regularly to keep the players on their toes.  I still say we lack natural leadership on the training ground and on the pitch.  If we take Burnley lightly they'll beat us simple as that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 05:12:40 PM
Let me be the first to eat my share of humble pie. In an earlier post I referred to Irvine as a buffoon, well it is clear that, today at least, that title should be bestowed on yours truly.
Never been happier to have egg on my face.

Easilly pleases arent you, it's one result. What about the other games in the season?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 21, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
I still think there's mass complacency at WBA.  I think this result came off the back of the hounding, jeering and buffeting from the fans last week.  It looks like this needs to be done regularly to keep the players on their toes.  I still say we lack natural leadership on the training ground and on the pitch.  If we take Burnley lightly they'll beat us simple as that.
Burnley have to be seeing this as a MUST win, Dyche will have them fired up, I imagine its going to be a physical game, they ain't going to be as "lightweight" as spuds were today. We should be playing with Mulla / Yacob axis IMO
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 21, 2014, 05:14:52 PM
For once I have a reason to watch MOTD.

One swallow doesn't make a summer, but if AI does well then the team does well.

It's got him some more credit in the bank with us fans and 3 very handy points.

Come on you Baggie Boys.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 21, 2014, 05:16:53 PM


Good th see us get a result after a mixed bag of performances, really hoping the atmosphere against Burnley is a good one a nd the bed wetter's get behind the team and not against the manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 21, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
I still think there's mass complacency at WBA.  I think this result came off the back of the hounding, jeering and buffeting from the fans last week.  It looks like this needs to be done regularly to keep the players on their toes.  I still say we lack natural leadership on the training ground and on the pitch.  If we take Burnley lightly they'll beat us simple as that.
Keep trying to justify the negativity  :-[
Good response from the support at Tottenham and a good result on the pitch  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 21, 2014, 05:59:52 PM

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Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 21, 2014, 06:03:14 PM
Easilly pleases arent you, it's one result. What about the other games in the season?
Of course I am easily pleased; Albion win, I'm happy, simple.
Perhaps, the difference is I want us to succeed more than I want Irvine to fail. If this turns out to be a false dawn then the majority of us will have been correct. I would rather be wrong and this is in fact the turning point in our season.
Time will tell, but today I am happy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 21, 2014, 06:08:49 PM
Of course I am easily pleased; Albion win, I'm happy, simple.
Perhaps, the difference is I want us to succeed more than I want Irvine to fail. If this turns out to be a false dawn then the majority of us will have been correct. I would rather be wrong and this is in fact the turning point in our season.
Time will tell, but today I am happy.

Well said  8) , today we are winners & we celebrate accordingly, next week......who knows, maybe, just maybe people may give AI a bit of a break now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 21, 2014, 06:26:08 PM
Well said  8), today we are winners & we celebrate accordingly, next week......who knows, maybe, just maybe people may give AI a bit of a break now.
Absolutely, for the first time this season we can approach a game with optimism.
Today proves that we all share a common goal and that is to see the mighty Baggies win. We may voice our opinions and vent our frustrations in different ways, but we all want the same thing.
Enjoy all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on September 21, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
I don't think we should get carried away.  C Pal win at Everton, Leicester beat Man U.  I'm glad some people are easily pleased, still doesn't hide the Oxford performance.  It seems to me when there's no pressure applied and people are passive within the club the players  switch off.  They need their arsed kicked and Motivating ALL  of the time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on September 21, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
Personally I'd say it's been quite across the board. Two quite good (Sunderland and today), two quite Bad (Swansea and Everton) and Southampton middle of the road. I don't think we could call it either way, really.

So just the same as 75% of the other clubs in the Prem (and the other leagues)?

Agree it's been a mixed start but what were we expecting after a large turnover of players and a fair number unavailable for various reasons.

Surely no one was expecting us to win all 5?

It's early days and the old cliché about not taking too much notice of the league table until we've had a few more matches rings true.

I've no idea if things will work out with AI, though I genuinely hope they do, and this time next week we may be in the next round of the Cup and have turned over Burnley, though who knows for sure and clearly neither Hull or Burnley will just roll over for us and both matches could go either way, but while totally respecting peoples rights to voice opinions, surely very few clubs will have had "when we get relegated" threads after 4 games? and in so many cases written off our chances so early.

In addition surely we as supporters would have to say that in hindsight we didn't do ourselves any favours at the Everton match (take away two unexpected howlers and it might have been a decent point) and giving some of the team verbal grief which is simply self defeating.

But well done to all the Coaching team and players today, for a well deserved victory and if I was AI I'd crack open a couple of beers later on when he gets home and chill out watching the highlights.

This isn't an "I told you so" post as I've no idea how things will pan out, just a comment from a genuine Albion supporter bemused that so many have totally written off the Head Coach and the club as a whole at such an early stage of the season.     

Love days like these though - and especially turning over one of the higher profile London clubs (ha ha).

COYB  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 21, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
Never been so pleased for a bloke when that goal was scored, the way he actually let some emotion out was very pleasing.  Unfortunately I am not an Alan Irvine fan (YET).

But credit where credit is due and he got it right today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 21, 2014, 06:54:23 PM
Tactics spot on today. We created more chances than Spurs and played some good football today. Very pleased for Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
You are a very reasonable fan and applaud you for it.
Who's the main reason Lescott is here?

His wife apparently as she refused to move to Turkey according to reports.

Excellent win today and I applaud Irvine for having the balls to drop Olsson and play Berahino as a striker. I still have my doubts over whether he is the man for the job and will not be getting carried away with one result but its as platform to build and upto Irvine now to prove doubters like myself wrong. Either way I will be here home and away whether its with Irvine or without.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 21, 2014, 07:01:09 PM
His wife apparently as she refused to move to Turkey according to reports.

Excellent win today and I applaud Irvine for having the balls to drop Olsson and play Berahino as a striker. I still have my doubts over whether he is the man for the job and will not be getting carried away with one result but its as platform to build and upto Irvine now to prove doubters like myself wrong. Either way I will be here home and away whether its with Irvine or without.

How was the atmosphere today mate ?, sounded good on the stream and very supportive.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 21, 2014, 07:02:30 PM
How was the atmosphere today mate ?, sounded good on the stream and very supportive.

Was pretty good to be honest where I was, players were all backed from before kick off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 21, 2014, 08:44:21 PM
Irvine deserves credit in barrel fulls today.

Set the team up brilliantly - conservative but as the game wore on we grew into it and throughout large parts of the second half we more or less controlled the game. I'd spoken about wanting to see some variety, movement and intention in our play because I think those are areas where we have lacked and thankfully I've seen improvements in those areas. He had some big calls to make and thankfully they paid off.

Well done gaffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 21, 2014, 09:55:32 PM
I will be delighted to look a right 'nana eek in week out.

Well done Mr Irvine, you've made me look a right plonker.... as someone said one swallow doesn't make a summer, so please continue to make me look a total eejit.

  :D   :-\  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 21, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
30 years since we beat spurs away. Fair play Alan Irvine now let's back it up with another win next week
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 21, 2014, 10:06:56 PM
I hope this is a definite upturn in the fortunes of Irvine and the team and not a one off. Tottenham seem to be the West Brom of the upper half teams - they struggle to beat determined and organized minnows at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 21, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
Another comment on this.... it was my cousin's 70th birthday on Saturday and he was relieved not to have the match on his birthday because he gets too tense!

So on behalf of Doug Brown, Alan, thanks for making his birthday weekend!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on September 21, 2014, 10:29:43 PM
Today was pivotal for Irvine in my opinion. Everyone was fit so he had no excuses, albeit legitimate excuses, explaining why we've struggled up to today. He picked Sessegnon and Lescott; two players who may have a massive say on how our season pans out; previously they've been injured or unfit so he hasn't had the opportunity to field them . He bravely dropped Jonas citing his poor errors, he kept with Saido which I thought was the correct call. He also stuck with Brunt who played well and got the assist. Overall I thought it was a brave team selection and we played well. We were really organised and were the better team. Perhaps Spurs had an off day with Europe mid week but we deserved the win it was no fluke. If he can back this result up with a victory against Burnley he definitely deserves a lot more support. I think he has got us playing well in most the games and playing decent football. Perhaps he isn't a glamorous name but we are hardly a glamorous club and their is no doubt in my mind he is desperate to succeed with us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 21, 2014, 11:19:10 PM
Needs to ensure we play more attacking, exciting football at home.

Burnley an ideal match to move this forwards.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 21, 2014, 11:27:58 PM
Well done Downing and Kiely. If anyone deserves the praise then it's them. They are afterall still pulling the strings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on September 21, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
And so the fickle comments start.

We edged a 1-0 win against a poor Spurs team today. Wasn't a bad performance, but still have such a long way to go, and no matter if we stay up, I still don't want AI in charge. I don't like that Albion took a gamble with a terrible manager, giving him his first taste of top league football in a season that's pretty much make or break - the cheap option.

We just need to wait for the comments about how wonderful Brunt is because he took the corner which produced the goal, after being booed off last week and receiving criticism for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 22, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Yet again with this balls about AI being the cheap option, twice on this thread i've asked how he's the cheap option and both times to no reply....

How on Earth is AI the cheap option? Are you basing it on his wages? How do you know what he earns compared to anyone else? Are you basing it on him not bringing many backroom people? No Head Coach will, it's how we're set up, Roy didn't get to bring a backroom team of any note, was he cheap?

Are you basing it on the fee's we've paid out this summer? (about £16mill net, totally overlooking signing on fees), How about the wages we're forking out? We're operating at very nearly our limit. Our wages are 70% of turnover and we've not sugar daddy to bankroll us, so Hull, Newcastle, QPR etc can outbid us players wise.

Which aspect of this is cheap?!!!!!

If you're unhappy, fine, be unhappy and state why, but stop coming out with weak cliché rants and actually be mad at his tactics or something.

I fear AI is too negative and I hope he proves me wrong. But slating the board is getting old and even a brief look at the facts makes it look laughable as a stance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 22, 2014, 12:28:55 AM
And so the fickle comments start.

We edged a 1-0 win against a poor Spurs team today. Wasn't a bad performance, but still have such a long way to go, and no matter if we stay up, I still don't want AI in charge. I don't like that Albion took a gamble with a terrible manager, giving him his first taste of top league football in a season that's pretty much make or break - the cheap option.

We just need to wait for the comments about how wonderful Brunt is because he took the corner which produced the goal, after being booed off last week and receiving criticism for a couple of seasons.

Spurs are a very good team, we made them look poor. It was an excellent performance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 22, 2014, 12:33:20 AM
And so the fickle comments start.

We edged a 1-0 win against a poor Spurs team today. Wasn't a bad performance, but still have such a long way to go, and no matter if we stay up, I still don't want AI in charge. I don't like that Albion took a gamble with a terrible manager, giving him his first taste of top league football in a season that's pretty much make or break - the cheap option.

We just need to wait for the comments about how wonderful Brunt is because he took the corner which produced the goal, after being booed off last week and receiving criticism for a couple of seasons.

Or maybe we just give credit where credit is due? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 22, 2014, 04:05:42 AM
Spurs are a very good team, we made them look poor. It was an excellent performance.

Not sure if it was us that made them look poor, they were like we have been at home for far too long, not really up for it. We would have been furious with our defence if it had let in that soft goal from a corner. They were booed at half time by their own supporters. Guess a combination of underestimation and Europe a couple of days before played it's part in the bleak Tottenham performance.

That however is a separate issue from the fact that Irvine made some much needed changes to the side, and got improved performances from a lot of players that have been shadows of their usual selves for a long time. So clearly Irvine's own performance was a step in a positive direction, as was the teams. A loss here and I think Irvine's days would have been numbered tbh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 22, 2014, 07:55:31 AM
The majority of posters said that they did not want or rate Irvine, but, that he was now the head coach, they hoped he would do well, the early signs were not good, poor results, poor performances and negative set ups, but, most reasonable fans hope for improvement, yesterday we got it, lets hope its a sign of an overall improvement, results.

If Irvine can get us playing half decent football with decent results, he will win the fans over.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
He could easily grow on me if we batter Burnley and contiue to improve. Well done Alan Irvine keep it up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on September 22, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
It makes me wonder what some people class as 'good football'?

We haven't played a flowing passing game for a few years really and you are probably looking back at Mowbray's time in charge which ended up been a dreadful Premier league season.

Good football to me is simply winning games. People are demanding Irvine plays a form of 'good football' but brush under the carpet the fact we have not actually played good football for a few years now.

Hodgson's brand was the best for me in our PL days. Solid at the back and well organised through the team. Then we had the players to threaten up front and create chances in midfield. In fact yesterdays win was very much a Hodgson like performance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 22, 2014, 09:16:12 AM
He could easily grow on me if we batter Burnley and contiue to improve. Well done Alan Irvine keep it up
A nice one goal victory will do me fine. Burnley haven't really been anyone's battering boys yet since their opener against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on September 22, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
The majority of posters said that they did not want or rate Irvine, but, that he was now the head coach, they hoped he would do well, the early signs were not good, poor results, poor performances and negative set ups, but, most reasonable fans hope for improvement, yesterday we got it, lets hope its a sign of an overall improvement, results.

If Irvine can get us playing half decent football with decent results, he will win the fans over.
says it all for me spot on,

i saw the team before and cringed i also moaned as i bet a lot of people did too but i ate a lovely piece of humble pie (albeit a small piece) last night and am man enough to admit it, no one wants him to fail for obvious reasons just an improvement was required i think everyone will agree with that and yesterday was a start
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 22, 2014, 10:27:16 AM

Just goes to show how spot on AI comments after the Everton game were: "We need to win soon", even this board seems to be a happier place!

I think we will go on and win our two games this week a lot of points to prove within the squad as they are fully fit and looking to play and we have got the first win monkey of our back as well.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on September 22, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Good performance yesterday, our organisation won the day for us. I am pleased for Irvine.

I'm not going to get too giddy though, our organisation has never been in doubt this season, its our attacking impetus that has been none existent. Now I wouldn't expect us to go gung-ho against Spurs at WHL and rightly we went there and restricted them and created a few chances for ourselves in a very good all round performance from the coaching staff and the players. The real test for Irvine are these next two home games against Hull and Burnley, these are games we 100% should be going out to win, if we see the same defence-first, brakes-on approach, in these two games that we have seen from Irvine throughout the season I will be disgusted.

Irvine has bought himself some time with this Spurs result, but we have to be beating those around us if we want to do well this season, yes we may pick up some points from the big boys through good organisation, but we can't rely on that. I am unsure about Irvine's ability or courage to get us really going at teams while still having some defensive shape, we'll see.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 22, 2014, 12:26:17 PM
A nice one goal victory will do me fine. Burnley haven't really been anyone's battering boys yet since their opener against Chelsea.

Agree with this, Burnley are a well organised team and will give us a very tough game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
Agree with this, Burnley are a well organised team and will give us a very tough game.


We dont want another Everton peformance though
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2014, 12:55:04 PM

We dont want another Everton peformance though

How do you set up to beat organisation?
Ans:- being unpredictable and doing the unexpected,

Who can be unredictable (in a positive way) for us?
Ans:- Sess, Samaras? Gamboa?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on September 22, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Nobody will admit to it but I still think there's certain people on here who would genuinely prefer us to go down this season than finish 10th just so they can moan and say they told us so.

5 games

1 x very good performances against Spurs
1 x 'did a job/decent result' v Southampton
1 x Decent performance v Sunderland
2 x poor against Everton and Swansea

Spurs and Everton will both be top 7 this season, Saints and Swansea both probably top 10 and 2 of the most in form sides right now. I know if you lose there's a way to lose but even with the 5 goals conceded in the Everton and Swansea games at least 4 were individual errors and not something you can really account for unless they start to happen every week. But judging the season as a whole so far it's not been the disaster some of made and we should continue to get stronger for the next 4/6 week as players come back in to the side and new partnerships gel.

Yes AI wasn't my choice as manager, and not even in my top 10 choices as manager but he needs to be given a chance which sadly is something it seems many people are not prepared to do. I have no doubt even if we finished 8th this season many would still refuse to credit him and would insist that's where we should be with the players we have.

I'm still far from convinced he is the right man for us but unless we lose the next 6 on the spin without scoring the guy needs at least until November before anyone can start to form any reasoned opinion that isn't based on pre conceived opinions on him that wont change no matter what he does. You can't slate him when we lose and then refuse to give him any credit when we win, especially when it's a result like yesterdays.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 22, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
Wednesdays team should be interesting, as he has stated before that he wants to take the Cup serious.

With the likes of Samaras, Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and possibly Ideye all requiring additional game time, it will be interesting to see who he plays and who he doesnt.

The above listed players would mean we play a fairly attacking team against Hull, if we set up to be defensive with an 'attacking' team then thats where the problems will start to show.

Id rather us lose to Hull if it meant we collected 3 points against Burnley however.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 22, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
My main gripe with Irvine/Albion so far this season has been their inability to adapt after going a goal down.

Unfortunately, we have conceded sloppy early goals in three games, only really responding against Sunderland with a bit of help from the referee. Having a midfield composing of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans I don't think would carve open teams at this level sitting back on a lead.
Those early goals against Everton and Swansea really dealt us a massive blow but we will need to be able to respond to setbacks.

On the other hand, our Achilles heel last season under Mel seemed to be our inability to hold onto leads. I think it was three times we held leads of two goals or more and failed to win and actually seemed better at holding on with just solitary goal leads we we fell back far too much with a big lead and lost all momentum once our opponents scored.

Defenisively, our system seems decent and hopefully we can get a bit more attacking flair as mentioned with the likes of Samaras, Sessegnon and hopefuly Ideye able to reporduce some of the glimpses he showed at Southampton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 22, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
It makes me wonder what some people class as 'good football'?

We haven't played a flowing passing game for a few years really and you are probably looking back at Mowbray's time in charge which ended up been a dreadful Premier league season.

Good football to me is simply winning games. People are demanding Irvine plays a form of 'good football' but brush under the carpet the fact we have not actually played good football for a few years now.

Hodgson's brand was the best for me in our PL days. Solid at the back and well organised through the team. Then we had the players to threaten up front and create chances in midfield. In fact yesterdays win was very much a Hodgson like performance.

Sums up my feelings entirely. We were very boring to watch under Hodgson at times but he got results. When you leave the ground after a win you are happy regardless of how it happened. Yes we'd all like to see flowing football and results but lets face it with our budget it is never going to happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on September 22, 2014, 02:27:35 PM
How do you set up to beat organisation?
Ans:- being unpredictable and doing the unexpected,

Who can be unredictable (in a positive way) for us?
Ans:- Sess, Samaras? Gamboa?

But so can the other team?

Also being unpredictable can be (in a negative way)?

I feel it's good we have a mid week cup game to field some of those (unfit players) and prove their worth. We can always bring on our match winners later (whom always seem to do it when subs) to give them a chance to gel with others whom are not part of the league starting 11.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2014, 02:48:28 PM
But so can the other team?   Steve Bruce , c'mon

Also being unpredictable can be (in a negative way)?  I don't get your point !


I feel it's good we have a mid week cup game to field some of those (unfit players) and prove their worth. We can always bring on our match winners later (whom always seem to do it when subs) to give them a chance to gel with others whom are not part of the league starting 11.

But we don't know who are match winners / starting eleven yet, do we?
With the exception of sess
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 22, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
Nobody will admit to it but I still think there's certain people on here who would genuinely prefer us to go down this season than finish 10th just so they can moan and say they told us so.

5 games

1 x very good performances against Spurs
1 x 'did a job/decent result' v Southampton
1 x Decent performance v Sunderland
2 x poor against Everton and Swansea

Spurs and Everton will both be top 7 this season, Saints and Swansea both probably top 10 and 2 of the most in form sides right now. I know if you lose there's a way to lose but even with the 5 goals conceded in the Everton and Swansea games at least 4 were individual errors and not something you can really account for unless they start to happen every week. But judging the season as a whole so far it's not been the disaster some of made and we should continue to get stronger for the next 4/6 week as players come back in to the side and new partnerships gel.

Yes AI wasn't my choice as manager, and not even in my top 10 choices as manager but he needs to be given a chance which sadly is something it seems many people are not prepared to do. I have no doubt even if we finished 8th this season many would still refuse to credit him and would insist that's where we should be with the players we have.

I'm still far from convinced he is the right man for us but unless we lose the next 6 on the spin without scoring the guy needs at least until November before anyone can start to form any reasoned opinion that isn't based on pre conceived opinions on him that wont change no matter what he does. You can't slate him when we lose and then refuse to give him any credit when we win, especially when it's a result like yesterdays.
Any Albion fan who wants us to lose to prove a point is not an Albion fan.
Personally, I disagree anyway and don't think a single person on this boards wants the team to fail, people just vent their frustrations in different ways that's all.
As for Irvine, we kept being told we had to give him time, but were seeing nothing to justify it, yesterday changed that. Irvine has now bought himself some time and it is up to him to capitalise on it. If we see similar performances to yesterday's in the next two games, regardless of results I might add, he will show that he has the potential to turn us around and that was all I ever asked for, as did most negative posters.
Works both ways though, if he reverts to the tentative, negative tactics from previous games, then he will be under pressure again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on September 22, 2014, 04:59:53 PM
I was very upset after Everton like most but were his tactics not the same for Swansea, Everton and Spurs with the difference being Lescott, players learning to stay tighter and to break quicker. Yesterday reminded me of the best performances we've had in the past few years i.e. soak up other teams possession, then break quickly. I think tactically he's set us up ok overall.  However, like Steve Clarke, he needs to understand at home, we expect to attack teams not play counter attacking which has not worked under Clarke, Mel or Irvine. The Hawthorns is where we need to go for it in the first 20mins.

Let's see what he can do without quite so much scrutiny and with his best players available.......?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
I was very upset after Everton like most but were his tactics not the same for Swansea, Everton and Spurs with the difference being Lescott, players learning to stay tighter and to break quicker. Yesterday reminded me of the best performances we've had in the past few years i.e. soak up other teams possession, then break quickly. I think tactically he's set us up ok overall.  However, like Steve Clarke, he needs to understand at home, we expect to attack teams not play counter attacking which has not worked under Clarke, Mel or Irvine. The Hawthorns is where we need to go for it in the first 20mins.
Let's see what he can do without quite so much scrutiny and with his best players available.......?



Absolutely spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on September 22, 2014, 05:26:43 PM
I want us to attack more at home but over the 90, not just the first 20. It's silly but you can score too early as we found out a few times last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 22, 2014, 05:42:11 PM
Id like to see us put in more professional performances like the one dished up at Spurs.

Whether we score in the first or last minute makes no difference to me, the game is won over 90 not 20.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 22, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
Id like to see us put in more professional performances like the one dished up at Spurs.


It's what we wanted to see after the first few games but to be honest we do better when we don't have a lot of possession in a game, we tend not to get caught out of position when defending.

There was also an improvement in the lack of stupid fouls in dangerous areas as well.

AI can kick on and prove us wrong but the big test will be 3 much needed points against Burnley, the three points we just took are a bonus, 3 against Burnley is vital
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 22, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
Yesterday was an important moment in the Alan Irvine reign. One swallow doesn't make a summer however and there is further work to be done but yesterday was an encouraging step in the right direction.

I'd spoken about improvements I wanted to see so I could see some direction from an Albion side and also see some evidence that Irvine is capable of learning from his mistakes. Thankfully, we received those improvements and even had we lost yesterday I would have been relatively happy with our performance because there was an awful lot we did right and areas where we're still capable of improving.

I'd spoken about wanting to see some intention and with Sessegnon in the starting line up we saw that. I was skeptical about midfield I have to say but they all too their credit did their jobs efficiently. I'd spoken about harassing the opposition and our midfield did that and so I applaud them for that. It is, however, a midfield that was short of pace and that added ingredient, but it was a midfield that was well drilled and was direct whenever it had the opportunity - Sessegnon, Morrison and Dorrans were direct with their running supported by the quality on the ball from the improved Chris Brunt and Craig Gardner.

Our movement was also much better and Berahino deserves a lot of credit for his performance where he gave the team an outlet and against a physical defender is Younes Kaboul; he held the ball up very well and linked play with Sessegnon who when we were defending resiliently; carried us 60 yards up the pitch. Even when we had sustained possession, Berahino and Sessegnon were always looking to make themselves available for the ball - whether Sessegnon came short or Berahino made a run in behind.

I expected a conservative Albion performance and one where we would meekly surrender but to my surprise I saw the polar opposite. We defended very well when we had too but this was an Albion side that had the intentions of winning the football match. At times we controlled possession of the ball and created numerous chances - more in one game than probably in the four games previous. I don't mind losing football matches, if I wanted results I'd follow Chelsea, but If we're going to lose I want us to be competitive - something in previous games we weren't in my opinion. If we can have more performances like yesterday then I have hope we can be fine.

The big test for Irvine now is replicating that performance. The cynic in me believes we'll revert back to the one paced, pedestrian football we've already witnessed this season. The midfield in my opinion still requires some work as its a midfield which is weak, powder-puff and lacking in 'real' creativity but If Irvine is to win over the fan base then performances and results like yesterday will do the business.

Well done Alan. The balls in your court..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 22, 2014, 08:14:39 PM
Everyone keeps saying "one swallow doesn't make a summer" and that is very true, but it may (will) make your night  ;) !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 22, 2014, 09:48:49 PM
Looked very good at spurs and solid against Southampton. I can see us getting points away. I'm very happy if we are hard to beat away and we can pick up points. For Irvine to win me over fully I need to see more attacking intent at home. Next 2 games will give him plenty of opportunity to play attacking line ups and entertain us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 22, 2014, 10:09:56 PM
Everyone keeps saying "one swallow doesn't make a summer" and that is very true, but it may (will) make your night  ;) !

Blonde goes into a bar and asks the barman for a double Entendre.

So he gave her one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 22, 2014, 10:32:49 PM
Blonde goes into a bar and asks the barman for a double Entendre.

So he gave her one.

Genuinely made me laugh out loud!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 22, 2014, 11:59:22 PM
at the start of the season it would have been reasonable to expect

home to Sunderland and everton    4 points from a win and a draw

away to ston  swansea and spurs   - should get a draw from either southhampton or swansea but unlikley to get anything from Spurs.

so 5 or 6 points - we're on 5 but just in a different way. Its OK I think

We HAVE to beat Burnley to get our season properly underway. That table will look very different next week if we are on 8 points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2014, 06:23:25 AM
at the start of the season it would have been reasonable to expect

home to Sunderland and everton    4 points from a win and a draw

away to ston  swansea and spurs   - should get a draw from either southhampton or swansea but unlikley to get anything from Spurs.

so 5 or 6 points - we're on 5 but just in a different way. Its OK I think

We HAVE to beat Burnley to get our season properly underway. That table will look very different next week if we are on 8 points.

Very true.
8 points return from six games would be pretty good.
Average over a season would give us 50 points, I'd snatch your arm off for that right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 23, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
For the record I am not a fan of AI and do not believe he is the right man to take us forward. This game however was a well-deserved win where his game-plan came off to perfection. It was deffo not backs to the wall - it was a perfect away performance and we could/should have been farther ahead.

I suspect that this was what he was trying to do at home to Everton last week - and this is what worries me most. This is not the way to line up at home with the possible exception of Man City and Chelsea and also not the way to line up away at weaker teams. AI needs to prove that he can also go out to win matches and of course change plan midway through a game. Hasn't showed me that so far this year.

But for now he has a first, and deserved, win.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on September 23, 2014, 07:57:25 AM
I'm not getting carried away with the spurs result. We know AI is a defensive coach and sets up his team's to be compact. It worked this weekend and it was a good performance and result. What we need to see is how he reacts when that game plan goes out of the window as it has done in the previous games. Can he make changes? So far he has shown he cannot. I can see Irvines approach working away from home but he needs to show more ambition at The Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2014, 09:35:16 AM
I'm not getting carried away with the spurs result. We know AI is a defensive coach and sets up his team's to be compact. It worked this weekend and it was a good performance and result. What we need to see is how he reacts when that game plan goes out of the window as it has done in the previous games. Can he make changes? So far he has shown he cannot. I can see Irvines approach working away from home but he needs to show more ambition at The Hawthorns.
No subs within the 90 minutes is an interesting stat really, was he scared to change it in case it went wrong?
All's well that ends well, but you are right he still has to prove that he can react when required.
Varela scored for the U21's last night so should at least be in with a shout of being involved Wednesday / Saturday, giving us a different option off the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 23, 2014, 09:51:13 AM
If it is'nt broke dont fix it.

Shows how fit the players are, maybe that is the benchmark for the other players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 23, 2014, 11:56:51 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-prepared-for-tough-calls-1934789.aspx

Great chance for him to take the bull by the horns, and if he is a man of his word it looks like there could be some minor shake ups regarding players pulling their weight etc.

I hope the players have the 'balls' to respond positively.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on September 23, 2014, 12:17:39 PM
Hope Irvine isn't getting carried away, still very early days.

Whilst extremely pleased with the win over Spurs, can't help feeling we had some luck (and boy did we some at long last).

Spurs were very very very poor on the day, Poch had got his team selection all wrong and some of their players were quite frankly p poor, and we managed to roll then over.

The real test will not only be tomorrow night, where a cup good run must be on the cards to go at, but at home to Burnley, they are not a PL side at all, by their own admission, and at home, whilst there is never a given, there are certain games there for us to win.

AI for me is not the man to take WBA forward, he has bought himself some time. that's all, hopefully JL can keep fit and lead this team forward on the pitch, god knows its been a while since we had a good solid player to lead us, Brunt is not the man and I think this captain armband is weighing him down.

Come on you Baggies, the next few days may well shape our future, lets hope AI can keep this confidence from Sunday rolling.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on September 23, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
The worst part about the Everton game was not that we lost, it was how we lost. The fact we didn't create anything, the subs needed to be made sooner, that's were AI got the most criticism from.
The spurs result was a good result but spurs were having an off day, He needs to get the team to be consistent, the work rate of the team on sunday was much better than against Everton, but it should be like that all the time.

Im pleased Lescott and Dawson appear to have struck a partnership in defence, hopefully Dawson can push on now.
I though Morrisions distribution through the game was good but feel we need either yacob or mulumbu to give us the physical edge. If were playing sess its got to be mulumbu as he is a threat going forward too. If we need to see a game out I would expect yacob to come on for sess to firm up the midfield.

Lets see how we get on with burnley and lets the team sheet, and if hes willing to make subs. Even though we won against spurs after we went a goal up we maybe should have sacrificed sess have used yacob or mulumbu to see the game out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
The worst part about the Everton game was not that we lost, it was how we lost. The fact we didn't create anything, the subs needed to be made sooner, that's were AI got the most criticism from.
The spurs result was a good result but spurs were having an off day, He needs to get the team to be consistent, the work rate of the team on sunday was much better than against Everton, but it should be like that all the time.

Im pleased Lescott and Dawson appear to have struck a partnership in defence, hopefully Dawson can push on now.
I though Morrisions distribution through the game was good but feel we need either yacob or mulumbu to give us the physical edge. If were playing sess its got to be mulumbu as he is a threat going forward too. If we need to see a game out I would expect yacob to come on for sess to firm up the midfield.

Lets see how we get on with burnley and lets the team sheet, and if hes willing to make subs. Even though we won against spurs after we went a goal up we maybe should have sacrificed sess have used yacob or mulumbu to see the game out.
Tough one re subs on Sunday. If he had made the change you suggest and we had conceded he would have got ruined! To this end I think he was a bit scared to change it, which is scary in itself. He talks about making difficult decisions with regard to starters, but he also has to make tough decisions in play.
Hopefully Sunday has boosted his confidence (it certainly has mine) and we will see a bit of conviction and character going forward.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 23, 2014, 01:20:36 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-prepared-for-tough-calls-1934789.aspx

Great chance for him to take the bull by the horns, and if he is a man of his word it looks like there could be some minor shake ups regarding players pulling their weight etc.

I hope the players have the 'balls' to respond positively.

I was reasonably impressed by his decision to drop Olsson and Ideye on Sunday.

Olsson is one of the group of players some like to make out are running the show when things aren't going well for us. It would have been easy to keep Ideye in the side as our record signing but he chose to stick with Berahino who quite frankly deserves the place ahead of any other striker based on performances so far this season.

On paper at least when we have a fully fit squad there is decent competition for places.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 23, 2014, 02:19:17 PM
I was reasonably impressed by his decision to drop Olsson and Ideye on Sunday.

Olsson is one of the group of players some like to make out are running the show when things aren't going well for us. It would have been easy to keep Ideye in the side as our record signing but he chose to stick with Berahino who quite frankly deserves the place ahead of any other striker based on performances so far this season.

On paper at least when we have a fully fit squad there is decent competition for places.

Also it was good to see us with a solid performance and a solid win without Mulumbu in the team. Mulumbu, I feel, hasn't really been at his best for a good while now and he, like Olsson, has had too easy a ride for too long. Hopefully Mulumbu will get a notch sharper now.

A spell on the sidelines should hopefully work wonders for Jonas. He needs his fire back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
Also it was good to see us with a solid performance and a solid win without Mulumbu in the team. Mulumbu, I feel, hasn't really been at his best for a good while now and he, like Olsson, has had too easy a ride for too long. Hopefully Mulumbu will get a notch sharper now.

A spell on the sidelines should hopefully work wonders for Jonas. He needs his fire back.

Interesting that Olsson didn't travel with the team on Saturday. Maybe IR thought he needed moving out of the firing line altogether
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggieblood on September 23, 2014, 05:14:25 PM
Olsson's fire has never been an issue.

The rest of his game, especially his passing as been weak for a while.

Still, i was over the moon when he signed his new contract a couple of seasons ago and i'd back him to come back stronger and be the defensive rock alongside lescott.

What surprised me the most this season is the snubbing of the legend that is GMAC.

I saw him play the dingle reserves and he looked his normal self.

Maybe, time has caught up with him and that is evident to the management in training!

Hope not though, as he's a class act!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 23, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
It was nice to see Irvine show faith in Berahino and Dawson when it probably would have been an easier decision to pick Ideye/Anichebe and Olsson instead.

Also credit for ...wonder of wonders....we varied a corner, yes we took a short corner which ended with Gardner hitting a good strike on goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 23, 2014, 11:06:32 PM
Love the photo of Irvine: http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-prepared-for-tough-calls-1934789.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-prepared-for-tough-calls-1934789.aspx)

Looks as bored as Ive been with most of our displays this season.

As I've previously said, Burnley is a big test imo. I expect us to be more open and attacking in our play. Failure to do so, and another turgid display at home will not be acceptable.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 24, 2014, 09:18:26 AM
I fully expect us to go and attack both tonight and against Burnley. Irvine should in theory do well away from home and like Spurs would see us pick up some good results away from home. However we need to win home games starting tonight and again on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on September 24, 2014, 10:48:35 PM
Can I just say a massive 'fair play' to AI.

Has come through the criticism and the last 2 performances have been excellent. It needs to continue.

Played some good stuff today, he needs to realise that Yacob needs to start, he is such a top quality player
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on September 24, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
Can I just say a massive 'fair play' to AI.

Has come through the criticism and the last 2 performances have been excellent. It needs to continue.

Played some good stuff today, he needs to realise that Yacob needs to start, he is such a top quality player

Agree with this. Hopefully he will realise Yacob's qualities as he barely used Sessegnon near the start but after Sunday will now be aware of his impact.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on September 24, 2014, 11:37:39 PM
Got to say - he played his two second half subs very well indeed. Putting Varela on needed to be timed perfectly because we couldn't give him too many minutes in account of extra time.

Well played Alan, make it a treble on Sunday!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 24, 2014, 11:44:01 PM
Well done AI, Sunday a big test to see how he will go with a winning team and strong competition for places.

It's so nice to be part of the league cup with a strong squad, can't remember the last time we had a quality "second team". Good work all round.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2014, 01:36:51 AM
We did okay again tonight, BUT his substitutes got him out of jail (they were good substitutions as someone has said so credit for that). We were poor for most of the 2nd half and he was on a hiding to nothing having said he was taking it seriously only to make 11 changes.

Sunday is the key.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 25, 2014, 07:53:26 AM
We did okay again tonight, BUT his substitutes got him out of jail (they were good substitutions as someone has said so credit for that). We were poor for most of the 2nd half and he was on a hiding to nothing having said he was taking it seriously only to make 11 changes.

Sunday is the key.
But we went through winning? Not much more that can be done. ???

Should now have better in sight on squad and who is first choice and when.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 25, 2014, 08:00:34 AM
Another well done to all for the cup win.Sunday is the big one for me. We have to get a result and a performance at HOME against a team we would pencil in to beat when the fixtures came out.We have got to beat at Home teams around us without question.
I expect a 5 star performance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 25, 2014, 08:06:30 AM
hope this cup run doesn't affect our league form
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 25, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
We've got a bit of momentum at the moment so hopefully we can carry that on against Burnley on Sunday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 25, 2014, 08:08:11 AM
hope this cup run doesn't affect our league form

???? Why should it, in effect two different teams!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 25, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
Good result last night, shame it wasn't a league match though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 25, 2014, 08:45:39 AM
We did okay again tonight, BUT his substitutes got him out of jail (they were good substitutions as someone has said so credit for that). We were poor for most of the 2nd half and he was on a hiding to nothing having said he was taking it seriously only to make 11 changes.

Sunday is the key.
I think this is a massive positive, he has been criticised, and rightly so, for his substitutions this season, but last night got it spot on. We looked pedestrian in the 2nd half with the players resigned to getting beat, he bought on Berahino and Varela and changed the pace of the game. Good on him.
Hull also made changes, but we were the better side overall, which suggests we have the edge when it comes to squad depth.
I have been very critical of Irvine and am far from convinced that he can take us to the next level, but, credit where it's due he is addressing a lot of the issues I and many others had following the first few games.
More of the same on Sunday please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
I think this is a massive positive, he has been criticised, and rightly so, for his substitutions this season, but last night got it spot on. We looked pedestrian in the 2nd half with the players resigned to getting beat, he bought on Berahino and Varela and changed the pace of the game. Good on him.
Hull also made changes, but we were the better side overall, which suggests we have the edge when it comes to squad depth.
I have been very critical of Irvine and am far from convinced that he can take us to the next level, but, credit where it's due he is addressing a lot of the issues I and many others had following the first few games.
More of the same on Sunday please.

I'm about in the same mind as this post. Sunday feels like a big match, three wins on the bounce would certainly put AI in a much more settled place and the team would surely start to build on confidence from there.

He's made better selections in the last two matches - partly because of, we're told, more match fitness - and we are certainly looking better.

Delighted about last night. Like all of us I want us to do as well as possible in the Prem, but we are SO long overdue a good cup run. Bring it on!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on September 25, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
hope this cup run doesn't affect our league form
I do not get this. If you are referring to tiredness it should not be an issue. Firstly it was a completely different team. Secondly it is only a 38 match league season these days and Bournemouth will only be our 3rd cup match. The only chance they could take their eye off the league is if they got to the semi or final.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 25, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
Regardless of the team that was out there last night, it was a very good win and the spirit around the club will have been lifted higher.

It's all more credit in the bank for AI.

The Burnley game is the big one to watch now. We simply have to win this one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 25, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
Regardless of the team that was out there last night, it was a very good win and the spirit around the club will have been lifted higher.

It's all more credit in the bank for AI.

The Burnley game is the big one to watch now. We simply have to win this one.

I'd say it's more about AI's intent for the game, rather than the result.

Granted, I'd like a win, we all would. But if he names 3/4 good attacking players and the team plays with the want to score and win,
then that will be the signifier for me.

Should we go for it, get 18 shots on target and they have 3 but we draw 1-1, then i'll still take that as a good move (athough i will be annoyed at the time)

Some on here will use it to slam him, but short of a 5-0 win some will attack AI until he leaves.

There is no such thing as a must win at this stage, but the direction the team is going in is of great importance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on September 25, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
Really pleased about the result, even though we left it left.

Still have reservations, Spurs seem in turmoil and took us for granted.

Hull very much didn't seem bothered and we laboured really.

Let's see how we go against Burnley that is the real test.

Having said all that, let's hope the luck has been o our side and we can build on this with confidence now up etc., and the cloud lifted for the time being.

Come on you baggies, and all fans give them a great rousing welcome and really get behind ALL of the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on September 25, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
I was not initially pleased with the Irvine appointment, and I noted that on the forum.  However, I would note there are some signs that Irvine does have some tactical ability and is starting to understand how to best orgainse the players.  At Spurs having a really tight and narrow midfield which did not allow them to play the game they would like.  In the cup yesterday the timing of the subs he had choice over was worth noting and turned the match. 

Also note that we now have some really good players in depth which Mel and Clarke did not.  Maybe (and I remain cautious), we have been a little hasty.  Agree that Sunday's match will be important in indicating this?


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 25, 2014, 02:33:36 PM
I was not initially pleased with the Irvine appointment, and I noted that on the forum.  However, I would note there are some signs that Irvine does have some tactical ability and is starting to understand how to best orgainse the players.  At Spurs having a really tight and narrow midfield which did not allow them to play the game they would like.  In the cup yesterday the timing of the subs he had choice over was worth noting and turned the match. 

Also note that we now have some really good players in depth which Mel and Clarke did not.  Maybe (and I remain cautious), we have been a little hasty.  Agree that Sunday's match will be important in indicating this?
I'd agree with most of that. I want to see the effort level that we had at Spurs repeated for a series of games. We can expect Burnley to be very hard working and committed and we need to match them on that front.
Making sure that your players perform is arguably an even more important part of the head coaches role than the actual tactical side of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
If we match Burnley on effort, we will have more quality and with good "game management" should be ok.
Don't match the effort and quality & game management will count for nowt.

That is the the nature of the premier league.

Zero complacency please lads.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 25, 2014, 03:03:02 PM
If we match Burnley on effort, we will have more quality and with good "game management" should be ok.
Don't match the effort and quality & game management will count for nowt.

That is the the nature of the premier league.

Zero complacency please lads.

I think this post is spot on. No disrespect to Burnley but they lack any sort of outstanding quality. This could be a game where we get outbattled. Hopefully the players don't let that happen. If we show the same desire we should beat them
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 25, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
As someone who was not happy with his appointment, to be fair to him he is growing into the job. I believe someone said we had eleven changes from the Spurs game and got a good result. Shows a good strength in depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 25, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
As someone who was not happy with his appointment, to be fair to him he is growing into the job. I believe someone said we had eleven changes from the Spurs game and got a good result. Shows a good strength in depth.

Growing into the job indeed and beginning to pass the early tests now he has a full squad, I can see the major test coming in the back half of the season when other managers and teams have seen how he sets up the baggies.  I hope he has the nous to vary things and succeed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 25, 2014, 03:44:28 PM
just relieved we've actually won a couple of games. jury is still out. but looking very much better than it did a week ago.

next four games:

Burnley
Liverpool
Man Utd
Crystal Palace

6 pts min
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 25, 2014, 03:52:20 PM
just relieved we've actually won a couple of games. jury is still out. but looking very much better than it did a week ago.

next four games:

Burnley
Liverpool
Man Utd
Crystal Palace

6 pts min

Hopefully. I'd say wins against Burnley and Palace and then a draw against either Liverpool or United. 7 points for me
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2014, 03:54:44 PM
Two wins on the trot and in the last 16 of the Cup. Really pleased with the job Irvine is doing so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on September 25, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
Two wins on the trot and in the last 16 of the Cup. Really pleased with the job Irvine is doing so far.

What a difference a week makes eh? It's a funny old game. After a dull and lacklustre performance against Everton , a few wins and plenty of people are getting behind Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 25, 2014, 04:04:13 PM
I will give a lot of credit for Irvine over the last two games, we looked very compact, organized and difficult to break down against Tottenham, and looked ok going forward to. I was pleased that he picked a strong team last night and brought Sadio on too later on. Hopefully maximum point against Burnley and Palace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 25, 2014, 04:07:09 PM
If we match Burnley on effort, we will have more quality and with good "game management" should be ok.
Don't match the effort and quality & game management will count for nowt.

That is the the nature of the premier league.

Zero complacency please lads.

Burnley will be dangerous on the counter, they have showed this a few times I have seen them on the TV.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 25, 2014, 06:05:52 PM
just relieved we've actually won a couple of games. jury is still out. but looking very much better than it did a week ago.

next four games:

Burnley
Liverpool
Man Utd
Crystal Palace

6 pts min

All hard games in the Premier League ask Spurs they just played the bottom club... :D

But seriously we ought to take 6 points off Burnley and Palace, both 'Pool and United are not playing up to their best if we play our fastest forwards their back fours are susceptible to a bit of speed, then who knows we just might roll them over too, we have beaten both in the recent past and have a better side now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on September 25, 2014, 06:51:27 PM
All hard games in the Premier League ask Spurs they just played the bottom club... :D

But seriously we ought to take 6 points off Burnley and Palace, both 'Pool and United are not playing up to their best if we play our fastest forwards their back fours are susceptible to a bit of speed, then who knows we just might roll them over too, we have beaten both in the recent past and have a better side now.

I agree, we must be more positive when we play the better sides or, more often than not, we'll be turned over.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 27, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
Interview with Irvine on Football Focus today 12.10
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 27, 2014, 03:38:42 PM
I find it funny that a couple of wins and suddenly there's no problem. We had 5 inept performances before that, and IMO the jury is still out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 27, 2014, 03:51:50 PM
I find it funny that a couple of wins and suddenly there's no problem. We had 5 inept performances before that, and IMO the jury is still out.


He's earned himself a bit of respite with the last two performances, but for me tomorrow was always the biggest game of this week. Vital to get a good result and performance tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 27, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
I find it funny that a couple of wins and suddenly there's no problem. We had 5 inept performances before that, and IMO the jury is still out.

What five were they then? I hope that's not including the good draw against Southampton who have started excellent and a draw against Sunderland where we were clapped off the pitch at full time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 27, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
What five were they then? I hope that's not including the good draw against Southampton who have started excellent and a draw against Sunderland where we were clapped off the pitch at full time.

The result at Southampton might have been a good one, but the performance was lacking. We certainly didn't create much, and seemed to care more about stopping them than doing anything ourselves.

And you and I obviously have different memories of the Sunderland game. I can remember some boos, and some terrible defending which earned them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on September 28, 2014, 12:32:22 AM
Big test for AI tomorrow.

Arguably his biggest.

A good week has seen a feel-good factor return. Set up the team negatively and he could ruin it from the off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 28, 2014, 07:15:32 AM
His biggest test so far, in a game that is already a 6 pointer for AI.
We should win 3-0....anything less then a win against a team in their dire position would be unacceptable TBH.

All the pointers are in our favour ....back to back wins and a great atmosphere seemingly developing in the Club...........typical recipe for a disaster....make that 0-1 to the knob-ends from the North.
 (Usual positive stuff , although i did predict a win at Spuds).

DowningOut!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2014, 07:49:35 AM
The result at Southampton might have been a good one, but the performance was lacking. We certainly didn't create much, and seemed to care more about stopping them than doing anything ourselves.

And you and I obviously have different memories of the Sunderland game. I can remember some boos, and some terrible defending which earned them.

Against Soton we created exactly the same amount of chances and had the same shot on target as they did, so not bad for the away team. If Brown had been match fit he probably would have buried his header or the shot he created for himself.

Can't remember hearing any boos after the Sunderland game. Apart from the defending for the equalizer we defended okay in the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on September 28, 2014, 09:00:11 AM
Jury is still out for me, Spuds arent exactly setting the world alight this season and Hull played a poor second string.  I dont just want to see today but the next 4/5 games before stating all is well.  That gives us a view to the lower half and upper half of the league and how we perform against both.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on September 28, 2014, 09:08:56 AM
While recognising its on the official site, Irvine does come out of the Saido article on there very well.

I am one if those who thinks that the players don't have to say anything at all, so ultra positive comments like those from Berahino should be viewed as real support for the Boss.

One last thought occurs, as much as so many fans, me included, liked and supported Pepe Mel, there wasn't the same level of overt support for him from the players as I remember it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on September 28, 2014, 09:31:12 AM
'We should win 3-0'
'anything other than a win is totally unacceptable'
'5 previous inept performances'

Who on earth do some of you think are because all you sound like are a bunch of villa fans, it's cringeworthy reading!

After his success at Spurs and progression in the cup some of you are really clutching at straws finding things to say and bait him with.

We played well against Sunderland and were unlucky not to win, we did a job at soton where most other teams have been getting destroyed and we could have easily won with the two chances ideye had. Swansea and Everton were awful then a superb performance at Spurs and a good result against hull.

I didn't want Irvine and the book is very very much out against him but to start saying ridiculous things just to make him look poor is out of order, I think at the start of the season most people would have been content with 5 pints and 4th round of the cup with a winnable quarter.

We have a chance to win three in a week, about as many as super pepe mel won in 5 months how about enjoy it instead of looking for things to have a go at AI with
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 28, 2014, 10:16:29 AM
'We should win 3-0'
'anything other than a win is totally unacceptable'
'5 previous inept performances'

Who on earth do some of you think are because all you sound like are a bunch of villa fans, it's cringeworthy reading!

After his success at Spurs and progression in the cup some of you are really clutching at straws finding things to say and bait him with.

We played well against Sunderland and were unlucky not to win, we did a job at soton where most other teams have been getting destroyed and we could have easily won with the two chances ideye had. Swansea and Everton were awful then a superb performance at Spurs and a good result against hull.

I didn't want Irvine and the book is very very much out against him but to start saying ridiculous things just to make him look poor is out of order, I think at the start of the season most people would have been content with 5 pints and 4th round of the cup with a winnable quarter.

We have a chance to win three in a week, about as many as super pepe mel won in 5 months how about enjoy it instead of looking for things to have a go at AI with

Good post Lee.

While I have noticed some fans who were hyper critical of AI up to the Spurs game now suggesting we should give him more time, there are still those clinging to the hope he fails, as you say some of the comments are cringeworthy & I keep reading how todays game is 'the big test' for Irvine.......... personally I think going away & winning at Spurs (deservedly) was 'a big test' getting through to the next round of the cup against Prem opposition was 'a big test', for me Burnley is 'the next test' Liverpool will be 'the next test' after that & so on & so on, the sooner fans get used to the fact that Alan Irvine is our head coach & IS doing a decent job, the better.               
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on September 28, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
Good post Lee.

While I have noticed some fans who were hyper critical of AI up to the Spurs game now suggesting we should give him more time, there are still those clinging to the hope he fails, as you say some of the comments are cringeworthy & I keep reading how todays game is 'the big test' for Irvine.......... personally I think going away & winning at Spurs (deservedly) was 'a big test' getting through to the next round of the cup against Prem opposition was 'a big test', for me Burnley is 'the next test' Liverpool will be 'the next test' after that & so on & so on, the sooner fans get used to the fact that Alan Irvine is our head coach & IS doing a decent job, the better.             

Well said mate, great post!

This crazy short term attitude that some of our supporters have is just bizarre.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionDaz on September 28, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
We wont get much better whilst we employ a Head Coach and not a proper Manager role,sooner the penny drops for the haters they might give AI a chance,I didn't want him for the job either,but why give him a hard time about accepting it,give the Guy a break.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on September 28, 2014, 04:39:22 PM
If it were Van Gaal, Martinez, Wenger. Moyes or any other Manager /Head Coach in the Universe a failure to win at home against Burnley , given their current form would be equally unacceptable.

Its a must win for us and AI....my point is it wont get much easier then this one...and it gets a damn site harder as the season progresses.

No one wants us to lose, i predicted a win last week, and it was a great result, as was the Southampton game.

But we all know the Albion, as i suggested its a roller coaster and always has been...a win this weekend and our season is up and running.....a loss at home and its a disaster...until next week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 05:23:40 PM
Credit to Kiely and Downing who are still pulling the strings apparently.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 28, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Well done AL and the players!! :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
I'll reserve judgement on AI until before that horror run in come April. If we are safe by then he will deserve every bit of credit but until then I am sceptical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on September 28, 2014, 06:01:47 PM
A top performance. Amazing what a bit of confidence does.  I never thought we could play this well without both Mulumbu and Yacob.

Gardner, Lescott, Wisdom and Pocognoli all looking like excellent new signings.  Dorrans superb. Berahino excellent. Good all-round team performance.

And another clean sheet.

9/10 performance. Apart from a little 10-minute spell around 60-70 minutes when we got a bit sloppy at the back it would be 10/10 for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 28, 2014, 06:04:56 PM
Credit to Kiely and Downing who are still pulling the strings apparently.

Does Irvine owe you money or something?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on September 28, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
Credit to Kiely and Downing who are still pulling the strings apparently.
Where have you heard that? (Out of interest- I'm not doubting it).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
Does Irvine owe you money or something?

I wish!  ;D

Just pointing out that when things are bad it's because AI is useless and because Kiely and Downing are pulling the strings still. So it's only right that when we do well and AI gets praise that Kiely and Downing do aswell. That's a fair point surely?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Where have you heard that? (Out of interest- I'm not doubting it).

Read it on here, hence the 'apparently'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 28, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
Good post Lee.

While I have noticed some fans who were hyper critical of AI up to the Spurs game now suggesting we should give him more time, there are still those clinging to the hope he fails, as you say some of the comments are cringeworthy & I keep reading how todays game is 'the big test' for Irvine.......... personally I think going away & winning at Spurs (deservedly) was 'a big test' getting through to the next round of the cup against Prem opposition was 'a big test', for me Burnley is 'the next test' Liverpool will be 'the next test' after that & so on & so on, the sooner fans get used to the fact that Alan Irvine is our head coach & IS doing a decent job, the better.             

Good sensible post Sir! Well he passed this test looking at Burnley results only Chelsea have scored more than one goal.They also conceded in Burnley 1-3 Chelsea.Three clean sheets V Man U,Crystal Palace and Sunderland all 0-0.And lost to Swansea 1-0 . Every game as you say is a "Test"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on September 28, 2014, 06:34:24 PM
Three wins in a week - what negatives are the boo boys going to come out with now?

Not posted much since the end of last season - partly due to the embarrassing comments regarding AI's appointment!

Didn't particularly want him here in the first place but I cannot understand why you would not give him your total support regardless of your personal opinion of him and his credentials.

If he was responsible for those inept displays against Swansea and Everton he certainly deserves praise for the wins against Spurs and Burnley.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 28, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
Credit to Kiely and Downing who are still pulling the strings apparently.
:-X It's quite incredible the power they have to run things while the manager does nothing.
So are they insisting on Saido and Dawson's selection ?
Jeees they are no doubt doing their jobs but can we quit with this running things stuff ? Strange they are never running things when things go badly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 28, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Fair play to Irvine, still not sure how he got the job and never will but 3 wins in a week and an excellent performance today is the best way to go about sticking two fingers up to the doubters like myself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
What a great week and really pleased for our gaffer.

In Irvine we trust  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 28, 2014, 06:48:48 PM
Fair play to Irvine, still not sure how he got the job and never will but 3 wins in a week and an excellent performance today is the best way to go about sticking two fingers up to the doubters like myself.

Touché Phil  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on September 28, 2014, 06:49:46 PM
Full credit to AI and the players today - absolutely fantastic performance. It was great to see, whilst I've openly criticised AI today there can be non of that, he set us up well and we looked in control for 95% of that game.

The jury is still out, all I know is that if he continues in the same way and performances like that continue I'll very happily eat my words and congratulate him wholeheartedly.

For now, enjoy it everyone, three wins in 7 days is a great feeling and Alan, you've done brilliantly this past week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 28, 2014, 07:19:40 PM
no mistakes, looked solid, well done
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
I'll reserve judgement on AI until before that horror run in come April. If we are safe by then he will deserve every bit of credit but until then I am sceptical.

Funny how you weren't "reserving judgement" after the Everton defeat... A shame there'll always be that few who would rather be right about Irvine than him actually do well. Glad to see the majority judging him on results anyway, as it should be.

One thing he's done particularly well so far is trusting our less senior players. He's given Berahino the opportunity to play as our main man, put Dawson in over McAuley/Olsson and he's been repaid handsomely for that these past few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
Very pleased with the results and performances in the last week.

We look a totally different side to the one that started the season and a different side to the Wednesday side I saw under Alan Irvine. I've mentioned in previous posts that I wanted to see improvements in certain areas, a case of learning from your past mistakes and in fairness to Irvine he is delivering on that. Our ball retention, movement, crispness of passing and our mentality is totally different.

He's made some big calls in the past week or so and he's passed them with flying colours. I wasn't happy with his appointment and maybe I reacted a bit to hastily at the time but if he continues with similar results and performances as the last week have been then he'll have thankfully proved me wrong.

Well done gaffer, have a Scotch on me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 28, 2014, 07:56:28 PM
Fair play to the bloke, had an excellent week. Maybe he will prove many of us wrong after all?

Although those members saying "I told you so" or similar are just as cringeworthy as those slagging him off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 28, 2014, 08:07:13 PM
Dropping Mulumbu, Yacob, Ollson and Mcaully was a big decision and it has paid off so full marks for doing that. Freezing Ollson out of the team for costing us two games shows his no mug when players form is off.


Also really pleased to see the youth players being given a chance and flourishing in the first team which is no easy feat again full marks for pulling that off.

The players seem to responding really well to him and improving each game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on September 28, 2014, 08:07:27 PM
Fair play to the bloke, had an excellent week. Maybe he will prove many of us wrong after all?

Although those members saying "I told you so" or similar are just as cringeworthy as those slagging him off.

Nobody's said that as far as I'm aware, just giving praise when warranted. It's of course too early to say whether he'll be a success here or a failure but he deserves credit for the past week and rightly so. Personally I couldn't be more happier for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on September 28, 2014, 08:18:39 PM
For me the positive thing is that we have so far had 3 clean sheets out of 6. That's a massive plus because if you don't concede you can't lose. He seems to have instilled a mentality into the players and a system that has taken me back to Roy Hodgsons days  of being tight and compact. Ball retention and one touch football was excellent albeit against a poor team but you can only beat what is in front of you. In his interview he said he was happy with most things but there was a spell we were a little sloppy and for me that means he may appear task master and strives to continuos improvement  - no bad thing . The signs are looking a lot better than at the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on September 28, 2014, 08:20:54 PM
Dropping Mulumbu, Yacob, Ollson and Mcaully was a big decision and it has paid off so full marks for doing that. Freezing Ollson out of the team for costing us two games shows his no mug when players form is off.


Also really pleased to see the youth players being given a chance and flourishing in the first team which is no easy feat again full marks for pulling that off.

The players seem to responding really well to him and improving each game.

You hit the nail on the head regarding the players! That is half the battle for a manager, lose the players and your toast. As ive said before i wasnt happy with his appointment but he is ticking along very nicely and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 28, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Fair play to Irvine, still not sure how he got the job and never will but 3 wins in a week and an excellent performance today is the best way to go about sticking two fingers up to the doubters like myself.

Still too early to say that his appointment was an inspired gamble, but although I would have preferred someone with a Premier League track record all along, I also said at the outset that I wanted AI to do well because that'd mean the team would do well.

The more matches he wins, the more respect and regard he'll earn from us lot, so more power to him.

He's coming across as a hard-working and quietly confident type which impresses me. It's clearly rubbing off on the players too.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on September 28, 2014, 09:22:24 PM
And today we have seen the people who are hating the fact he is actually doing ok. The bloke has done as well as anyone would have hoped for before the season started. Thumbs up from me Irvine so far! Dont think you will ever win some people over though whatever happens.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 09:31:10 PM
And today we have seen the people who are hating the fact he is actually doing ok.

Not a direct attack at you but do we seriously have to have this garbage every week?

Lets celebrate a victory instead of having petty squabbles with each other  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 28, 2014, 09:37:05 PM
And today we have seen the people who are hating the fact he is actually doing ok. The bloke has done as well as anyone would have hoped for before the season started. Thumbs up from me Irvine so far! Dont think you will ever win some people over though whatever happens.

Don't get the part about people hating he is doing well or who its aimed at.

I was against his appointment, still don't understand how he got it but I hope he does well as if he does then the club is doing well but i'll be there regardless as will many others.

As Liam says it would be nice if after a defeat we don't have the usual Irvine out and after a win we don't get the same from the other side. How about we all leave it alone and see how things are in a couple of months
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on September 28, 2014, 09:42:52 PM
I am genuinely pleased for the gaffer . With all the negative buggers around its nice to shut em up . Isn't also strange that our unfancied players are doing well and 4 of our stalwarts can't get into the team . Proves one thing us fans don't know a thing .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on September 28, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
I'm enjoying it no end, absolutely fantastic week. It just seems that with some people he can do no right and if he does well its for some reason Kiely and Downings work but when it goes wrong he has to go.

I too dont understand how he got the job and still not 100% sure whether he will be a success in the long run but when he does well I wont try and take the praise away from him how some are yet slate the hell out of him after a poor perfomance.

Great atmosphere at the ground today anyway which is all that counts

Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
Dare I say it? I slightly warmed to AI just after watching his goal celebrations on MOTD.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 28, 2014, 11:30:20 PM
I can honestly say I'm not hating Alan Irvine doing well at all. I didn't want him, I didn't want Pepe Mel to be treated as $h*tt*ly as I felt he was, part of my reluctance to accept pretty much anyone new to be honest.

I'm delighted. Even though three matches do not shape a season this has been an amazing week and has shown coach and team in a fantastic light.

Long may it continue and long may there be egg on my chin. Viva la Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
I'm enjoying my egg too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 29, 2014, 02:13:08 AM
Those with egg and I have a splatter on my face don't feel to bad. It's not that anybody wanted Albion to do badly or AI to have a shocker. As a fan football it is all about emotion, it's early days but the start has been good, our players look happy and improved and AI seems to be a genuinely nice guy and a decent coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 29, 2014, 02:45:13 AM
Dare I say it? I slightly warmed to AI just after watching his goal celebrations on MOTD.  ;D

I thought the same thing myself.....

my only gripe now is that I always dislike to look of the "tracksuit" manager especially with their initials on the tops...


 8)

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 29, 2014, 04:09:56 AM
Reminds me of when RDM came and dropped/sold Jonathan Greening, who had been an ever-present. A big call.

Dropping Jonas, Yacob, Mulumbu are all brave decisions.

There's a fair few of us that would have advocated it for Jonas (although I doubt Dawson would have been the favoured replacement) but I think for most of us Mulumbu would be the second name on the sheet after Foster. AI has been brave and so far its working, midfield been impressive in these past 2 performances.

Im interested to see what midfield/formation he picks away at Liverpool, quite a dilemma for him.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 29, 2014, 06:32:24 AM
Well done AI, not my prefered choice as manager but keep it going and a few more of us might just warm to you.
Obviously a passionate guy, love his goal celebrations and half expected him to give us two fingers  :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 29, 2014, 07:55:33 AM
Well done Irvine and your coaching team.Keep proving me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 29, 2014, 08:20:22 AM
I wanted Irvine to prove me wrong, and over the games so far he has done well, still in the cup kept clean sheets in half of our Premiership games so far and were starting to see us score quite a few goals now as well. Please keep proving me wrong AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on September 29, 2014, 08:49:05 AM
All this egg on face and humble pie stuff is boring the life out of me.

It is still far too early to be judging Irvine as a success or failure. Some of those saying they are been proved wrong by Irvine are the same people who said I told you so after the Everton defeat. Those people are your typical modern day football fans - impatient and fickle.

This isn't an attack on our support as a whole I just don't agree with the views of a minority and the way they come to these views.

The atmosphere was great in the stadium yesterday, keep backing the team like that and we have won half the battle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 29, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
For me the positive thing is that we have so far had 3 clean sheets out of 6. That's a massive plus because if you don't concede you can't lose. He seems to have instilled a mentality into the players and a system that has taken me back to Roy Hodgsons days  of being tight and compact. Ball retention and one touch football was excellent albeit against a poor team but you can only beat what is in front of you. In his interview he said he was happy with most things but there was a spell we were a little sloppy and for me that means he may appear task master and strives to continuos improvement  - no bad thing . The signs are looking a lot better than at the beginning of the season.

Spot on.

I think alot of us were underwhelmed by the appointment by the 90% of the fans wanted him to do well and decided to back him as hes OUR coach.

The fans that wouldnt give him a try are the same fans that dont really go to games but will be queuing up if we were to get to Wembley.

Its early doors, but the guy seems passionate and hes not as clueless as some people have made him out to be.

I hope he does become a success here, because if hes successful then so are WBA.

As I say, its early doors but the signs are there for us to have enough to not only stay up but have a good season!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2014, 09:17:04 AM
Irvine deserves big amounts of credit for the last 8 days and anyone not willing to give him that needs question there "support" for our club, Winning at spurs for the first time in 30 years restricting them to not even one clear cut chance and having the best of the game was fantastic, Getting through the cup match and lining up a game with Bournemouth is also fantastic to see and something to look forward to. The win against Burnley yesterday was impressive, to score four past a team that sets out to defend like that is no easy task, The biggest thing that's improved has been our corners we now look like a team that's going to threaten from them as opposed to the last 18 months shambolic efforts from set plays.
You can tell that Irvine is a good coach its evident with how well drilled we are even if that takes something away from our attacking play im pleased because hes gone back to basics with us and put them right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
To be fair alots been mentioned from the critics about our unwillingness to attack, yesterday it looked to me like we tried to move the ball forward more rather than side to side, At times we passed it really well and managed to get the fullbacks up to make up a 7 man midfield. We kept it simple and got the ball across when possible and another piece of evidence that Irvine is keeping it simple which is what needed to be done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 29, 2014, 09:42:28 AM
I agree with the above post, Irvine has gone back to basics, got the defenders defending and the attackers attacking.

It doesnt matter who you are, if the manager can get his points across and all the players know there jobs you always have a chance.

If we can put in a good performance against Liverpool, then ill firmly believe that Irvine is the right man for the job.

Boing Boing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on September 29, 2014, 10:03:58 AM
Happy to have egg on face myself, had pretty much given up on AI after Everton.

Will be very interested to see if he has the nerve to change a winning team.  I think Mulumbu (if fit) should start against Liverpool.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 29, 2014, 10:23:06 AM
I'm not going to criticize if he happens to introduce an extra defensive midfielder ( to start with anyway) next weekend at Liverpool. But tye longer the games goes on with us (hopefully ) level, the motre I would like to see us have a go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on September 29, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
I'm not going to criticize if he happens to introduce an extra defensive midfielder ( to start with anyway) next weekend at Liverpool. But tye longer the games goes on with us (hopefully ) level, the motre I would like to see us have a go.

Could be a dangerouse game to play IMO, inviting Liverpool to attack
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 29, 2014, 12:19:33 PM
Watching on TV gives you a real insight into how he wants his team to play and the spirit in the squad, you could see players geeing each other up, there was a lot of fist pumping especially coming from Lescott, Poco and Gardner and everytime we won the ball back you could here AI shout hold it, especially in our defence. Can't remember many aimless lumped up balls from our centre backs in the last couple of Prem games

It seems a happier and more together squad. Credit to the bloke for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on September 29, 2014, 01:06:06 PM
Watching on TV gives you a real insight into how he wants his team to play and the spirit in the squad, you could see players geeing each other up, there was a lot of fist pumping especially coming from Lescott, Poco and Gardner and everytime we won the ball back you could here AI shout hold it, especially in our defence. Can't remember many aimless lumped up balls from our centre backs in the last couple of Prem games

It seems a happier and more together squad. Credit to the bloke for that.

Could this be because Olsson hasn't been playing?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
Well done to all the coaches & AI for getting the team preparation spot on for Sundays game.
I must admit on seeing the team sheet i was unimpressed but they came out & did the job so well done to them.
I would like to see Sess playing more in the final third closer to Berahino then i believe we would see more goals like the third one.
Our crossing from open play was dominated by high balls into the box "were we have no height" i would like to see more cutback or driven in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on September 29, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
What i noticed after watching the game aswell was the delight in the team mates when we scored.

For Dawsons goal, Him and Lescott shared a 'firm' hug and Wisdom was celebrating with Berahino for his 3rd like they had won the world cup.

Seems to be a togetherness in the squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on September 29, 2014, 01:54:51 PM
Could this be because Olsson hasn't been playing?

Think so mate, a legend for our club but Lescott and Dawsons performances has exposed his weaknesses.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 29, 2014, 03:28:19 PM
What i noticed after watching the game aswell was the delight in the team mates when we scored.

For Dawsons goal, Him and Lescott shared a 'firm' hug and Wisdom was celebrating with Berahino for his 3rd like they had won the world cup.

Seems to be a togetherness in the squad.

I noticed that too. Everyone from Foster upwards was celebrating the goals. Seems like there's some strong team spirit now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: andy_baggie on September 29, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
Everyone from the manager to the goal scorer celebration!! Was great to see Irvine celebrate our goals the way he did
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 29, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
Everyone from the manager to the goal scorer celebration!! Was great to see Irvine celebrate our goals the way he did
Hope we take the game to Liverpool too. We are the form team whereas they have had a ropey start plus their last action was to pick Jagielka's worldy out of the net.
Not getting carried away and don't really expect too much just hope they keep up the passion, hardwork and confidence and don't resort to defending deep.
A good performance can keep the momentum going even if we get beat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tgd26 on September 29, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Seeing as so many people are slowly changing their view on the appointment of AI would it be possible to allow them to change their vote on the poll above?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on September 29, 2014, 06:40:52 PM
Seeing as so many people are slowly changing their view on the appointment of AI would it be possible to allow them to change their vote on the poll above?
The time to change your vote is once you see how he handles our usual winter slump
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on September 29, 2014, 06:44:53 PM
Have to give Irvine credit for what we have achieved in the last 8 days, but in all honestly, how many people saw that coming? After the Spurs result, which was a fantastic away performance, I wanted to see how we would play in a home game where we would be expected to take the game to the opposition rather than sit back. Again, when I saw the team sheet , I was not too confident as there didn't seem to be enough width or creativity. but I was proved wrong!! There will be teams that make it more difficult for us than Burnley did, but even so, when was the last time we won by 4 clear goals? Well done Irvine, you may yet prove me completely wrong!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
Seeing as so many people are slowly changing their view on the appointment of AI would it be possible to allow them to change their vote on the poll above?

I wouldn't change mine but ask me again xmas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on September 29, 2014, 07:15:24 PM
Think we all had severe doubts when he was appointed, mainly down to his record at Preston and Sheff Weds. No disrespect to those clubs but the depth of talent that we have in our squad now has to be levels above the Preston and Sheff Weds squads of 4 or 5 years ago. If your main strength is coaching and tactics it must make a big difference when players can put plans into action and there are options available in the squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on September 29, 2014, 07:26:04 PM
Still early days but I've really enjoyed the passing football over the last three games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 29, 2014, 07:39:06 PM
Think we all had severe doubts when he was appointed, mainly down to his record at Preston and Sheff Weds. No disrespect to those clubs but the depth of talent that we have in our squad now has to be levels above the Preston and Sheff Weds squads of 4 or 5 years ago. If your main strength is coaching and tactics it must make a big difference when players can put plans into action and there are options available in the squad.

I attempted to point out on a couple of occasions that his record wasn't that bad, but it didn't change anyone's mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 29, 2014, 11:10:44 PM
Seeing as so many people are slowly changing their view on the appointment of AI would it be possible to allow them to change their vote on the poll above?

I haven't voted yet, tbh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on September 29, 2014, 11:18:21 PM
I attempted to point out on a couple of occasions that his record wasn't that bad, but it didn't change anyone's mind.

It wasn't exactly stand out either.

Atm though AI looks a good fit for our players and vice versa, something Pepe Mel apparently was not. If that is the case we should do alright as this squad should not be fighting relegation.

However these are early days and even if AI has passed the first few hurdles there are many more to come that will test him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 29, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
All this egg on face and humble pie stuff is boring the life out of me.

It is still far too early to be judging Irvine as a success or failure. Some of those saying they are been proved wrong by Irvine are the same people who said I told you so after the Everton defeat. Those people are your typical modern day football fans - impatient and fickle.

This isn't an attack on our support as a whole I just don't agree with the views of a minority and the way they come to these views.

The atmosphere was great in the stadium yesterday, keep backing the team like that and we have won half the battle.

me too. lets give him until xmas and see where we are. encouraging signs but a long way to go before i have any confidence and trust in the bloke. we could have had a couple of lucky wins. but let's hope its the start of something good.

its still too early to call.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 30, 2014, 02:51:50 AM
It wasn't exactly stand out either.

I think this is the third time someone has responded with this. Yes, I know. I never said it was.


However these are early days and even if AI has passed the first few hurdles there are many more to come that will test him.

From the day he was hired, I've contended that he should be judged the same as any other head coach/manager: by his performance over an appropriate number of games. He should not start out with the presumption that he is all the terrible things our fans said about him before a ball had been kicked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: deejay on September 30, 2014, 06:57:38 AM
I like the fact we now have Fullbacks that are actual fullbacks and not just filling in. We haven't had a proper one since Paul Robinson  . I also like the way Irvine doesn't play people out of position. It would be easy to throw Mulumbu back in but Mozza and Gardener deserve to there , where as Brunt and Dorrans are better out wide , still in my opinion I would like some naturally gifted wide players but Pop aint doing to bad is he?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on September 30, 2014, 07:20:43 AM
 ;D Compliment to AI....I haven't seen the team looking fitter....not many puffing at the end??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on September 30, 2014, 09:04:54 AM
I think this is the third time someone has responded with this. Yes, I know. I never said it was.


From the day he was hired, I've contended that he should be judged the same as any other head coach/manager: by his performance over an appropriate number of games. He should not start out with the presumption that he is all the terrible things our fans said about him before a ball had been kicked.
He will be judged on performance as any manager is. At the time this poll was set up the team were performing poorly, if it were taken now the results would be different that is the nature and beauty of football, it changes very quickly. We are all fickle to some extent, we have to be to truly enjoy the ups and downs. If common sense prevailed all the time it would be a boring old game  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on September 30, 2014, 10:03:53 AM
Seeing as so many people are slowly changing their view on the appointment of AI would it be possible to allow them to change their vote on the poll above?

Ha ha! I know exactly where you're coming from and I think it's a fair question.

I'll change it at the end of the season. That might sound like I'm hedging my bets too much, but then again the Board offered him a 12 month contract. I read into this that his own brief this year is to keep the Albion in the Prem first and foremost, while the Board for their part are keeping a watching brief on AI.

So it's very much a wait and see at the moment. I keep coming back to the fact that he hasn't got the best of track records and by his own admission he was surprised to have been offered the job, so I was in the 'underwhelmed' camp when he got the job.

When he got it I said that I wanted him to do well because that'd mean the Albion would do well.

Then the fixtures came out and I thought that the first six games represented a fair test for the team and AI, and the results and style of play would help me form a clearer view. So far it's been mixed, but everything's pointing to a much more settled team and a far better team work ethic and general spirit since the Everton game.

I'd say now I'm cautiously optimistic, but I think his next big test will be when we play the 'big boys' in the next couple of months.  Then there's the issue of making sure we don't fall into our usual mid-Winter lull.

I think he comes across as very focussed in his interviews. On that basis alone I'm sure he's excellent to work for and very ambitious, so I wish him all the very best.

Summing up, I think he's still got a lot to prove: to a lot of fans, to the Board and in part to himself. If he makes a go of it in this job he'll be putting a lot of managerial unfinished business behind him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on September 30, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
He's moving in the right direction, lets see what we get out of the next few games. He seems to have a steady line up and leaving Mulumbu out has been effective. As much as I like Mulumbu his absence has coincided with the absence of stupid free kicks given away in dangerous areas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 30, 2014, 11:05:13 AM
We were told that Alan Irvine was highly regarded in nearly all corners of the footballing world ( not sure whether I believed that) but there are some things beginning to shine through that makes that info more and more likely to be spot on......if he wins all the fans over it will be one of footballs biggest battles well and truly won.

How many on here now look forward to big games like Liverpool away, believing we can get a positive result instead of dreading a hammering, I know I do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on September 30, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
We were told that Alan Irvine was highly regarded in nearly all corners of the footballing world ( not sure whether I believed that) but there are some things beginning to shine through that makes that info more and more likely to be spot on......if he wins all the fans over it will be one of footballs biggest battles well and truly won.

How many on here now look forward to big games like Liverpool away, believing we can get a positive result instead of dreading a hammering, I know I do.

I think away games suit his style of hitting teams on the brake more than home games were the pressure to score is on us more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 30, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
My feet have been very much planted in the 'lets get behind Irvine' camp from day 1 & I'm obviously delighted with the way things are beginning to take shape but I'd like to dispel a couple of miths that I keep reading, firstly it wasn't a masterstroke to play the now 'transformed' Craig Dawson in every game this season, the fact that McAuley had no pre-season made it a simple choice to play CD (I know Wisdom is an option) & its only been the last couple of games alongside Lescott where people are starting to purr about him (long may it continue).
Secondly, I keep reading it was a good decision to 'drop' Mulumbu, well YM was injured for the Everton game but prior to that I'd say he was our most consistent player but following the display from the midfield that played against Spurs it would have been criminal to bring Mulumbu back in V Burnley.
The thing that strikes me about AI is he seems to have excellent man management skills with the way he has treated some of the old established players, like not bringing them straight back in after a good team performance without them, this for me is an extremely important part of running any team, whether that be in football or work in general but 'tactical genius'? No (not yet) but keep winning match's & you'll have us all (well most of us) convinced.       
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 30, 2014, 12:00:02 PM
I have said he has to be judged on results here rather than his history because you cannot compare apples and oranges and have been disappointed by some sections of our support who have been quick to criticise. 
For me it is still too early to tell but the signs are promising. We have a settled back four who keep clean sheets and don't need two defensive midfielders in front of them which allows for us to be more adventurous.  We have a solid and creative midfield with options off the bench to tighten up matches or become more expansive if we need to.  With a full squad available to him he has made the right choices and this is shown in the results. Will it continue,  will he still make the right decisions when winter is drawing in and players become unavailable,  only time will tell.
Whilst the appointment didn't excite me and believe we are still a club that has to be looking over our shoulder, I do think we could be anticipating our best ever Premier finish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on September 30, 2014, 02:20:20 PM
My feet have been very much planted in the 'lets get behind Irvine' camp from day 1 & I'm obviously delighted with the way things are beginning to take shape but I'd like to dispel a couple of miths that I keep reading, firstly it wasn't a masterstroke to play the now 'transformed' Craig Dawson in every game this season, the fact that McAuley had no pre-season made it a simple choice to play CD (I know Wisdom is an option) & its only been the last couple of games alongside Lescott where people are starting to purr about him (long may it continue).
Secondly, I keep reading it was a good decision to 'drop' Mulumbu, well YM was injured for the Everton game but prior to that I'd say he was our most consistent player but following the display from the midfield that played against Spurs it would have been criminal to bring Mulumbu back in V Burnley.
The thing that strikes me about AI is he seems to have excellent man management skills with the way he has treated some of the old established players, like not bringing them straight back in after a good team performance without them, this for me is an extremely important part of running any team, whether that be in football or work in general but 'tactical genius'? No (not yet) but keep winning match's & you'll have us all (well most of us) convinced.       

I think you can lift your head up from behind that sofa now..... :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2014, 06:16:38 PM
All very encouraging over the last few weeks, Dorrans rave reviews, Berahino likely England call up, Dawson and Lescott forming well.Flare players to come in. The humble cake tastes very sweet indeed.Keep it up Alan, the players are obviously playing for you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B714LF on September 30, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Not a fan and proven nothing yet. Very long way to go for me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on September 30, 2014, 11:54:00 PM
not a fan either but proven nothing yet is a bit harsh. proven that we can win 3 games in a week and players showing some good form...

agree that theres a long way to go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on October 02, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
well done allan I like nearly everyone wasn't happy in your appointment and it might be the fact that lescotts fit,dawson most improved player,sess fit and being allowed to start and berahino at last playing in his natural position,dont listen to much to downing and kiely and you will be fine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on October 03, 2014, 06:47:21 AM
I was in the AI wrong appointment camp and to be honest that still hasnt changed, that said I am chuffed he has the team working like a team and the myths about him not playing with width were dispelled when we played Burnley.  We were controlled and played passing intelligent simple football which surprised me (and a few others I may add).

Looking at the appointment and history of past appointments I still dont know how he got the job and I personally wish him the best as I want my team to do well.  I would prefer him to have his own backroom staff because when it goes wrong he will be the one left holding the baby!  I still say the 2 clowns behind him should go to enable him to take his chance, he now knows the players and place, now he is here he should have all the tolls in his box to do the job!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2014, 07:51:30 AM
Whats he doing encouraging the sale to a big club of Berahino :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 03, 2014, 08:06:41 AM
Whats he doing encouraging the sale to a big club of Berahino :o

He's not though is he? The article headline is a misrepresentation of what he said. What he's actually saying us that if clubs come sniffing, then Albion will have a decision to make, as they do frequently when other teams come calling for our players.

Typical of the Mirror.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2014, 08:07:45 AM
He's not though is he? The article headline is a misrepresentation of what he said. What he's actually saying us that if clubs come sniffing, then Albion will have a decision to make, as they do frequently when other teams come calling for our players.

Typical of the Mirror.



Only read headlines :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 03, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Whats he doing encouraging the sale to a big club of Berahino :o
stating the obvious... 90% of the article is encouraging Saido to be the best he can be, then he says if there's interest then its up to the club whether they sell. He actually points out that we have held onto players despite (not very public) interest.

come on, you know it's what happens next.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on October 03, 2014, 01:41:14 PM
He's only stated that if a big club came in for him we would consider selling him but if Luke shaw went for 27 million I'm sure jp would place a ludicrous price on his head especially if he developes further which he will if he keeps getting game time. And the way he's playing now he has to be one of the first names on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Irvine is paid by Albion and he should keep transfer policy regarding our hottest prospect in years close to his
chest. By all means praise the lad but that's were it should have stopped, now it's out there and the speculation will start and it could get to him bad call Alan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
Irvine is paid by Albion and he should keep transfer policy regarding our hottest prospect in years close to his
chest. By all means praise the lad but that's were it should have stopped, now it's out there and the speculation will start and it could get to him bad call Alan


Totally agree, thats why i bought the subject up. just keep your gob shut, we dont want any attention just yet
Another club shows interest the players head goes
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on October 03, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
No reason to say what he did at all he even could have said even if big clubs come sniffing he's going nowhere
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
No reason to say what he did at all he even could have said even if big clubs come sniffing he's going nowhere

Problem with that is the headline then reads "Saido told he's staying put" and the club get spun as if we're standing in his way and Saido understandabley gets to asking the questions, so if I do really well and make a name for myself, you're going to hold me back? Ok then, I won't be signing a new contract, I will leave for free in 2 1/2 years (or more realistically be sold at a reduced rate in 18 months.)

The only way to avoid this would be the Journo asking the question and AI saying he won't speak about such things and strickly refusing to talk about players contracts/themleaving/transfers.... But then AI and Albion look stubbon in the press... Basically, we can't win. The press will manipulate a story one way or the other no matter what you say. I'd really struggle to not lose my rag with them if i had to give press conferences.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 03, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
Saido singing his praises:-

“Alan Irvine has been massive for me,” said Berahino. “It’s so important for any player to know that the manager has faith in them. He talks to me, he’s played such a big part for me from the first day that he came in.

“He tells me what he wants me to do, gives me encouragement and we’ve really clicked. I’m a player who needs to understand what a manager wants from me. We’ve moved forward together.

“It’s not just me, he’s got time for everyone else. He’s even got time for the kitchen staff, he talks to everyone at the club and at the training ground. He’s a great man, I’ve got so much respect for him.

“He’s an excellent coach, his attention to detail is spot on. Lately, I’ve had a one or two problems with movement, I kept getting offside, a couple of times. I got offside for a goal at Tottenham which got disallowed. He’d been helping me with the timing of my movement and my runs.

“He’s also helped me with my finishing. He’s worked on finishing in certain situations in the penalty box.”



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-starlet-saido-berahino-4373133#ixzz3F5qfHVPq
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 03, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Good to read that. Dawson has also commented how Irvine has helped him and watched videos with him to improve his game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 03, 2014, 04:31:32 PM

Totally agree, thats why i bought the subject up. just keep your gob shut, we dont want any attention just yet
Another club shows interest the players head goes

Why didn't you say that then instead of just paraphrasing the Mirror headline?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 03, 2014, 05:15:09 PM
I was in the AI wrong appointment camp and to be honest that still hasnt changed, that said I am chuffed he has the team working like a team and the myths about him not playing with width were dispelled when we played Burnley.  We were controlled and played passing intelligent simple football which surprised me (and a few others I may add).

Looking at the appointment and history of past appointments I still dont know how he got the job and I personally wish him the best as I want my team to do well.  I would prefer him to have his own backroom staff because when it goes wrong he will be the one left holding the baby!  I still say the 2 clowns behind him should go to enable him to take his chance, he now knows the players and place, now he is here he should have all the tolls in his box to do the job!
More Internet myth with no basis in fact. I am not sure what criteria you have used to judge the "two clowns" behind him and I assume that you are referring to Downing and Kiely as opposed to Kelly who he brought with him as assistant deputy head coach?
Are you in the when it is going wrong it is DK fault but when it is going right it is head coaches influence?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 18, 2014, 07:03:33 PM
After rolling over for a poor Liverpool team and Liverpool performance he needs a result from the Man U game and I truly believe he will get one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 18, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
After rolling over for a poor Liverpool team and Liverpool performance he needs a result from the Man U game and I truly believe he will get one

Rolled over?

I thought we played very well.

He doesn't need a result either. Phrases like that just creating unnecessary pressure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ash on October 18, 2014, 07:25:52 PM
I thought we played well and unlucky to lose! A poor Liverpool team but still a good team if that makes sense!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 18, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
It's been quite on site over the last week or so, needs some stimulation. I for one was disappointed with our last result. My god I must be starting to believe in Irvine lol
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on October 18, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Anything from Monday is a bonus, if their attack turn it on I doubt we have much chance. The week after is when it matters; Palace at home, huge game at Bournemouth and then Leicester.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 18, 2014, 10:21:59 PM
14/1 for Irvine to be next Premier League casualty. Good value that is IMO.

https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post (https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 19, 2014, 12:27:01 AM
I agree with Devon as far as the Anfield result goes. We sat off them and got our bellies tickled by an out of form side.

Irvine has proved a few people wrong to some extent with the 3 wins but for me it is still his intent that is concerning. The only way we will get anything Monday is by having a go. Trying to contain will see us picked off easily.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on October 19, 2014, 09:13:05 AM
I agree with Devon as far as the Anfield result goes. We sat off them and got our bellies tickled by an out of form side.

Irvine has proved a few people wrong to some extent with the 3 wins but for me it is still his intent that is concerning. The only way we will get anything Monday is by having a go. Trying to contain will see us picked off easily.

I agree 100% with this.  We need to attack Utd from start and not show any fear.  Leicester got at them and ended up scoring 5.  I hope we just don't rely on the counter attack.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 19, 2014, 09:20:42 AM
14/1 for Irvine to be next Premier League casualty. Good value that is IMO.

https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post (https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post)

Cracking value for the bookies as they spend your money on their holidays. Harry Redknapp, Gus Poyet, Paul Lambert, are all (currently) more likely to go before Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 19, 2014, 10:19:41 AM
Cracking value for the bookies as they spend your money on their holidays. Harry Redknapp, Gus Poyet, Paul Lambert, are all (currently) more likely to go before Irvine.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on October 19, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
14/1 for Irvine to be next Premier League casualty. Good value that is IMO.

https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post (https://m.oddschecker.com/t#football-english-premier-league-next-manager-to-leave-post)

You seriously need to move on and accept Irvine's our manager. If you want to waste your money fine, but there's no chance of Irvine going this side of Christmas, and highly unlikely to after that unless we lose pretty much every game for the next few months.

It's pretty clear Pardew's living on borrowed time, whilst given QPR's next 4 fixtures are Liverpool, Villa, Chelsea, Man City, Redknapp's going to need some inspired form to survive past November.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 19, 2014, 01:33:11 PM
Chill out folks. I'm not parting with any cash but thanks for your concern. Was just saying that 14/1 is generous!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
I agree with Devon as far as the Anfield result goes. We sat off them and got our bellies tickled by an out of form side.

Irvine has proved a few people wrong to some extent with the 3 wins but for me it is still his intent that is concerning. The only way we will get anything Monday is by having a go. Trying to contain will see us picked off easily.

I agree with you  theJacko2000
But theres No way in hell will AI set the lads up to have a go, sit back soak up the pressure & hit them on the brake is the way he will go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 19, 2014, 01:51:10 PM
The other side of the coin is that if we have a go on Monday night then we'll get picked off on the break with the likes of Di Maria, Van Persie and Falcao waiting to pounce. It's not about having a go or containment, its about striking the right balance and I think that is something we have found in our past four or five matches. I'm expecting a defeat tomorrow, of that there is no question, but I'll be very happy if we can put out a performance where at the end we say "we gave as good as we got". If that happens then I'll have no complaints.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2014, 03:05:44 PM
The other side of the coin is that if we have a go on Monday night then we'll get picked off on the break with the likes of Di Maria, Van Persie and Falcao waiting to pounce. It's not about having a go or containment, its about striking the right balance and I think that is something we have found in our past four or five matches. I'm expecting a defeat tomorrow, of that there is no question, but I'll be very happy if we can put out a performance where at the end we say "we gave as good as we got". If that happens then I'll have no complaints.

We are the home we need to show them no fear, respect yes.
Foster the back 4 & Mulumbu should be enough to defend our goal, 5 flair players to control the midfield & score  its here where AI will show  us his mindset on the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on October 19, 2014, 03:46:11 PM
We are the home we need to show them no fear, respect yes.
Foster the back 4 & Mulumbu should be enough to defend our goal, 5 flair players to control the midfield & score its here where AI will show  is mindset

If their front 3 turn it on (RVP, Falcao, Di Maria) turn it on then hardly any keeper or defence in Europe would be ok. I think tomorrow depends on how they play, if they dont perform we have a chance if they do I cant see us geting anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on October 19, 2014, 04:07:38 PM
We are the home we need to show them no fear, respect yes.
Foster the back 4 & Mulumbu should be enough to defend our goal, 5 flair players to control the midfield & score  its here where AI will show  us his mindset on the game.

Seriously?

It's really naive people think we should go out to actually go all out attack against that Man U side. We'd lose - heavily. The way to play Man United is to contain them and hit them on the counter attack. If you go toe to toe with them, they'll breeze past us.

Irvine really can't win if fans expect him to go all out attacking against an attack of that quality. No manager would ever do that. Most of Leicester's goals against them were on the counter attack. Though we don't have the luxury of playing them with mass injuries and they've improved somewhat since the start of the season and no longer look like dropping points easily.

We'll probably lose tomorrow and people will blame Irvine for being cautious but no one else would play it any different. Look how Mourinho plays when he comes up against a team with a much better attack than his. Look how Real Madrid played Bayern Munich in the champions league last season. You might win plaudits going all out attack with flair players against significantly better teams but you won't win many points.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 19, 2014, 05:22:30 PM
Seriously?

It's really naive people think we should go out to actually go all out attack against that Man U side. We'd lose - heavily. The way to play Man United is to contain them and hit them on the counter attack. If you go toe to toe with them, they'll breeze past us.

Irvine really can't win if fans expect him to go all out attacking against an attack of that quality. No manager would ever do that. Most of Leicester's goals against them were on the counter attack. Though we don't have the luxury of playing them with mass injuries and they've improved somewhat since the start of the season and no longer look like dropping points easily.

We'll probably lose tomorrow and people will blame Irvine for being cautious but no one else would play it any different. Look how Mourinho plays when he comes up against a team with a much better attack than his. Look how Real Madrid played Bayern Munich in the champions league last season. You might win plaudits going all out attack with flair players against significantly better teams but you won't win many points.

Agreed. Just play like we have been doing the last few matches and we'll give them a game. "All out attack" will simply mean we get thrashed so I don't understand the need to do this. We need to be a threat going forward and create chances of course because their defence is weak but they will destroy us going forward if we aren't disciplined and organised at the back and make it hard for them to score.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2014, 06:48:47 PM
If their front 3 turn it on (RVP, Falcao, Di Maria) turn it on then hardly any keeper or defence in Europe cwould be ok. I think tomorrow depends on how they play, if they dont perform we have a chance if they do I cant see us geting anything.

1. RVP, Falcao, Di Maria,turn it on then hardly any keeper or defence in Europe
Than starve them of the ball
2,  I think tomorrow depends on how they play,
I dont give a fig how they play it's how we play that i want to see.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 19, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
Not sure where this all out attack rubbish is coming from. I simply mean we have to get at their midfield and defence. Pressing high up the pitch. Sitting back, containment and breakaways are a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 19, 2014, 06:59:42 PM
Seriously?

It's really naive people think we should go out to actually go all out attack against that Man U side. We'd lose - heavily. The way to play Man United is to contain them and hit them on the counter attack. If you go toe to toe with them, they'll breeze past us.

Irvine really can't win if fans expect him to go all out attacking against an attack of that quality. No manager would ever do that. Most of Leicester's goals against them were on the counter attack. Though we don't have the luxury of playing them with mass injuries and they've improved somewhat since the start of the season and no longer look like dropping points easily.

We'll probably lose tomorrow and people will blame Irvine for being cautious but no one else would play it any different. Look how Mourinho plays when he comes up against a team with a much better attack than his. Look how Real Madrid played Bayern Munich in the champions league last season. You might win plaudits going all out attack with flair players against significantly better teams but you won't win many points.

Seriously 
Yes & i would do this with my 5 flair players pressing them when they have the ball in there half this also would cut down their goal opportunities & get the fans rocking the ground around them.

Your way sit back & wait then hit them on the brake is ok away from home.
AI needs to shows the fans he can change his style of play from game to game & from team to team then the fans will be patting him on the back instead of getting on it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 19, 2014, 09:35:59 PM
Trade blows with a guy with bigger fists and you will lose. I love Albion having an attacking flair, but those who think we should storm them are too romantic and have not enough sense.

Attack Man U and we'll lose 6-2 or something like that, counter them and it may be 1-1 or something like that. Depends how you want to go really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on October 20, 2014, 08:01:44 AM
 :D Think Mulumbu could upset United...I would start him...he has to be hungry for a game and could be Irvines ace to upset the Matas and Van Persies.
Seem to remember he kept Mata very quiet last game we played against them.

Irvine will have a plan,yes he will keep us up and have a job at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 20, 2014, 09:15:20 AM
Trade blows with a guy with bigger fists and you will lose. I love Albion having an attacking flair, but those who think we should storm them are too romantic and have not enough sense.

Attack Man U and we'll lose 6-2 or something like that, counter them and it may be 1-1 or something like that. Depends how you want to go really.

Sorry i forgot some of our fans have never seen Albion consistently take it to the opposition, boy i'am glad i watched my football when we feared no team especially at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 20, 2014, 10:47:13 AM
We can no more go gung ho than we can park the bus, the answer lies somewhere in between.
Set up like we did against Everton we lose, set up like Tottenham we have a chance.
As most acknowledge, if their front 5 are on their game we will struggle to compete, if we can contain them however, their back line is there to be got at.
Crucial not to concede early, so think we will see a cagey start, just hope it doesn't backfire like Swansea and Everton.
Southampton have proved that they have plenty of attacking flair but we kept them in check and that was pre Lescott, so no reason not to believe we can get something. We certainly owe them one at home!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: eaststandbaggie on October 20, 2014, 10:59:09 AM
What was AI doing at the Stoke match yesterday with his former EVERTON boss.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on October 20, 2014, 11:03:41 AM
Totally disagree wth the comments re our performance v Liverpool, we had a go at them throughout but lacked their quality in midfield. Our midfield is my only concern about our line  uo tonight, play with Mulumbuor or Yacob then we have a chance but their attacking options are imense!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on October 20, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
What was AI doing at the Stoke match yesterday with his former EVERTON boss.

We play Stoke before the end of the year so maybe he could have been just having a look at them and Moyes went along for a beer.
On the other hand who gives a flying?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on October 20, 2014, 11:39:52 AM
What was AI doing at the Stoke match yesterday with his former EVERTON boss.
I can't see a problem with this - we still have Stoke to play twice and Swansea once. He worked with Moyes so they sit together. I wonder if Moyes had any input into the appointment of Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 20, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
What was AI doing at the Stoke match yesterday with his former EVERTON boss.
Perhaps Irvine is looking for a new number 2?  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on October 20, 2014, 11:48:50 AM
Moyes probably telling him how rubbish Man U are
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 20, 2014, 11:50:13 AM
What was AI doing at the Stoke match yesterday with his former EVERTON boss.

I imagine he was watching a game between two teams we have to play against at least twice in one case and at least once in the other. I imagine he was there with his former work colleague and friend possibly for company, possibly because they're mates and possibly to get some professional input from an experienced football man.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on October 20, 2014, 12:57:40 PM
Moyes was also at Burnley/West Ham game deep conversations with one of Burnley's top men, commentators said he was there as an advisor, don't know if he had any input at half, although I wouldn't be surprised as Burnley were rubbish after the interval after bossing the first half.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
They were chatting about independance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 20, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
we played well until mulumbu came on, one day fans will see what a liability he is
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on October 20, 2014, 10:27:48 PM
we played well until mulumbu came on, one day fans will see what a liability he is

Are you serious?  Are you blaming him for their equaliser? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 20, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
yes, could you not see how he upset the way we were playing, very bad sub by Irvine,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 20, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Are you serious?  Are you blaming him for their equaliser?
well there was a question as to whether Mulumbu should have been closer to Blind and sensed the danger....but we don't know what his instructions were as far as positioning goes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on October 20, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
yes, could you not see how he upset the way we were playing, very bad sub by Irvine,

And Sess would have blocked Blind any better?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 20, 2014, 11:23:19 PM
And Sess would have blocked Blind any better?

You're missing the point. Silver has taken the opportunity to moan about Mulumbu and get a dig in at Irvine at the same time.

A double whammy of moaning on a night when a multi-million pound team feels lucky to have scraped a draw against us.

Imagine how good we would be if our players weren't rubbish and our Head Coach had a clue. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 20, 2014, 11:24:53 PM
And Sess would have blocked Blind any better?

No, he would have been 30 feet away, so Mulumbu being on the pitch didn't affect the goal in the slightest. Maybe he should have, but you'er right that Sess certainly wouldn't have.

There's some agendas coming out to play at the moment. I've no idea why.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 20, 2014, 11:26:02 PM
You're missing the point. Silver has taken the opportunity to moan about Mulumbu and get a dig in at Irvine at the same time.

A double whammy of moaning on a night when a multi-million pound team feels lucky to have scraped a draw against us.

Imagine how good we would be if our players weren't rubbish and our Head Coach had a clue. ;)

Bit of a fiery sole that silver throstle.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 20, 2014, 11:31:43 PM
Bit of a fiery sole that silver throstle.

A moose in Throstle's clothing I would guess.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 20, 2014, 11:39:14 PM
Felt AI could have made subs earlier as the midfield was looking jaded.

But its a judgement call.

Set the team up well and we played the best football I've seen us play in years, especially in the first half.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on October 20, 2014, 11:41:06 PM
I thought it was an excellent performance tonight and I am warming to Alan Irvine.  He has us playing some excellent football and we look well organised, with good shape.  His coaching input is clearly working and he's getting a lot more out of players who struggled last season.  The back 4 looks far more solid with Lescott leading it.

The only thing that's bothering me is that none of our newly signed attacking players appear to be anywhere near the starting XI at present, and I'm not quite sure what to read into that.

Another 4 points minimum from Palace at home and Leicester away to make it 13 pts from 10 games and that would be a great foundation.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on October 21, 2014, 02:50:23 AM
Lets re-run the poll after 10 games and see how the numbers have changed...be interesting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mank baggie on October 21, 2014, 07:18:08 AM
I for have changed my mind
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 21, 2014, 08:01:11 AM
A very good performance from the team last night, and credit to Irvine for the way he set us up. We looked very organized had a good shape about and defended very well. The last five games my opinions of Irvine has changed somewhat long, may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 21, 2014, 08:08:27 AM
Let my heart rule my head last night, I was gutted we lost the lead, that was how well I thought we played.

Obviously after sleeping on it, I am over the moon with the draw, would have bitten your hand off before the game for that result.

I really didn't want AI here, however he is proving all his critics wrong at the moment, I am well impressed with him, long may he keep it up.

He has transformed Dawson into a player of strength, he is immense, and dare I say it must be knocking on England's door, he is well and truly much better than Jones and Smalling put together, and that in no small way must be down to AI and Lescott.

AI has done something Van Galling can't, taken a new squad and is developing them into a team of players who are well disciplined and want to play for each other and the fans, well done that man.

Well done AI, keep it going, you are a real gem, hope I haven't put a curse on him now!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2014, 08:25:38 AM
Let my heart rule my head last night, I was gutted we lost, that was how well I thought we played.

Obviously after sleeping on it, I am over the moon with the draw, would have bitten your hand off before the game for that result.

I really didn't want AI here, however he is proving all his critics wrong at the moment, I am well impressed with him, long may he keep it up.

He has transformed Dawson into a player of strength, he is immense, and dare I say it must be knocking on England's door, he is well and truly much better than Jones and Smalling put together, and that in no small way must be down to AI and Lescott.

AI has done something Van Galling can't, taken a new squad and is developing them into a team of players who are well disciplined and want to play for each other and the fans, well done that man.

Well done AI, keep it going, you are a real gem, hope I haven't put a curse on him now!!!!

We didn't lose!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on October 21, 2014, 08:26:17 AM
Felt AI could have made subs earlier as the midfield was looking jaded.

But its a judgement call.

Set the team up well and we played the best football I've seen us play in years, especially in the first half.

I absolutely agree, a rare thing indeed to be gutted at getting a draw against Man U. I did feel that the substitution was too late but the midfield four had all worked their socks off so not sure how you decide who gets a breather - and it was still working. Sessegnon however was blowing out of his backside not fat into the second half and maybe a change there would have helped. However that is to some extent being wise after the event and its a small reservation that should not detract from a really good performance.

More of the same on saturday please fellahs!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 21, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
I'm warming to AI, but, its one thing getting a team up for man Utd at home, another for palarse at home /  leicester away. take 4 points from those games and I'll be definately in the "jury's out" camp rather than "he's a mistake" camp.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 21, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
Loved the way we started the first 15 min the rest of the 1st half we looked like we couldn't believe we were winning & let them off the hook a little but still we created opportunities while denying them many. Warning from the half, Stop the  Cross's 
All the 2nd half we sat back & let them pile on the pressure & in the end both team could have taken all 3 points.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 21, 2014, 09:31:42 AM
Great point against a top side, who we matched in every way. We may not have their quality, but we certainly had more desire and a greater team spirit.
To be gutted with a draw says it all.
Personally I think we could have made subs earlier, but I think he likes to minimise disruption if we are doing well, which makes sense I suppose. Does mean that the fringe players are not getting any game time though, which could bite us when they are called upon.
Minor niggle though, in no way detracts from a great result and performance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on October 21, 2014, 10:56:19 AM
Great point against a top side, who we matched in every way. We may not have their quality, but we certainly had more desire and a greater team spirit.
To be gutted with a draw says it all.
Personally I think we could have made subs earlier, but I think he likes to minimise disruption if we are doing well, which makes sense I suppose. Does mean that the fringe players are not getting any game time though, which could bite us when they are called upon.
Minor niggle though, in no way detracts from a great result and performance.
I assume some of them will get a go in the cup match.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on October 21, 2014, 11:00:18 AM
I thought it was an excellent performance tonight and I am warming to Alan Irvine.  He has us playing some excellent football and we look well organised, with good shape.  His coaching input is clearly working and he's getting a lot more out of players who struggled last season.  The back 4 looks far more solid with Lescott leading it.

The only thing that's bothering me is that none of our newly signed attacking players appear to be anywhere near the starting XI at present, and I'm not quite sure what to read into that.

Another 4 points minimum from Palace at home and Leicester away to make it 13 pts from 10 games and that would be a great foundation.
There is no guarantee that we will now pick up points in the next 2 matches for 2 reasons.
1. Leicester beat Man Utd but have struggled since against so called 'lesser' sides.
2. The Palace & Leicester defences will not be wide open like Man Utd.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 21, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
I for have changed my mind

me too :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 11:20:57 AM
me too :)

While I want convinced when he was announced, shocked even, once he was in post I was always in the "he's here now, back him and give him a chance" camp. At the moment things are going quite well, long way yet to next May, but realistically we are doing better than many thought possible.

Those who were braying about him being first Prem manager sacked, eat your words, and those who thought he'd be gone by October, well he's still here and in a stronger position than ever.

I like the idea that Albion plucked AI from relative obscurity and gave him a chance. If it carries on working who knows, he may be here for a few years. Wouldn't that kind of continuity be a nice change?

Could turn out to be a master stroke by JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
I started out in the give him a chance camp , i must admit after Everton i couldn't see it working out.
I'm not getting carried away but I'm enjoying the passing and the swagger we are seeing in the team . Let's see how Irvine gets on with the dreaded Winter months we seem to struggle with.
Not to be negative i just wish he was a bit more active with his subs at times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 21, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
I thought we were - for most of the game - just superb last night.

I've seen enough matches now to realise that AI is far more clued in than I gave him credit for - and fingers crossed this form continues. Loving the confidence on the pitch; long season and all that, but loved last night!

 :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on October 21, 2014, 11:46:03 AM
I think he's building a side, most of us thought he wouldn't be able to.
Fair play to the bloke and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on October 21, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
I thought we were excellent at times last night, & though disappointed we couldn't hang on for the win, felt a wee bit relieved we at least got the point in the end, as I've seen us lose that type of game in the past.
Very interesting looking at the two teams before the kick off, & how British our team is, with only Sess & Poco of the starting eleven holding foreign passports. Whereas united, only had Jones & Shaw as Brits in their eleven. Think there's a little bit of old school thinking there with AI & the work rate of our British players.
Also think AI is of the 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' brigade regarding subs, & is reluctant to change what's worked so well for him upto now. Hindsight's a wonderful thing I know, but I would've like to see Blanco coming on for a very tired Sess, as a like for like, & still giving us energy further up the pitch, rather than a more defensive option. But, not a criticism & loving what AI's doing for us at the moment. Long may it continue!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 21, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
I think he's building a side, most of us thought he wouldn't be able to.
Fair play to the bloke and long may it continue.
Is he building a squad though? We are not using that many players, which gives great continuity, but does it give us depth?
May turn out to be a master stroke when winter bites, but could go the other way if the replacements are off the pace.
Personally, I'm old fashioned and not a great fan of squad rotation, but I do wish some players were getting more game time by fully utilising the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 21, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
I still can't say he's convincing me. We are playing well, but some of his decisions still baffle me. Yacob can't get near the team, Mulumbu seems welded to the bench, but we seem to be getting away with it at the minute.

I still think we'll be nearer the bottom than we'd all like, but I think there are enough basket cases that we'll stay up easily enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on October 21, 2014, 01:03:21 PM
Is he building a squad though? We are not using that many players, which gives great continuity, but does it give us depth?
May turn out to be a master stroke when winter bites, but could go the other way if the replacements are off the pace.
Personally, I'm old fashioned and not a great fan of squad rotation, but I do wish some players were getting more game time by fully utilising the bench.

Then there's that old adage of not changing a winning side. If the 11 on the pitch are doing it week in week out then it's up to those on the side lines to force their way into the managers reckoning, and the job of those in the 11 to keep the stiffs out.
We do have a decent squad and given a run of injuries like we had earlier in the season I'm sure that some if not all will be called upon sometime in the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on October 21, 2014, 01:05:35 PM
if the 11 he puts out are winning and/or putting in great performances then why change it.

it's when he's putting out the same 11 that are losing and performing badly that alarm bells need to ring
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
Am I the only one not seeing these 'great' performances?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 21, 2014, 02:41:13 PM
Another very good performance, doing a cracking job so far long may it continue. Particular impressed with the football we've been playing as well as the organisation of the whole team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Am I the only one not seeing these 'great' performances?

Possibly, yes.

From my perspective I feared the worst, but so far, Everton excepted (which I wasn't at, so I can only go on reports) we have looked pretty impressive at home.

The team does look organised, there is a shape about us and far more dynamism and pace than of recent seasons.

Our attacking intent is clear, and we do go forward at speed with far less of the "get to 30 metres out, turn round and go backward" approach that we often seemed to see previously.

Like I said before, it's a long time until May but given the tremendous upheaval in the squad, and the God awful shape we were in last season, AI has done a really very good job so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on October 21, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
We were superb last night and you could not criticise any member of the team but AI must be more proactive than reactive in his substitutions and realise it is an 18 man team.
Can he not see what most supporterss see when the flow of a game changes?
Last night we were being over run in the second half and our goal was completely against the run of play.
Everyone of our team was putting a shift in but fresh faces off the bench would have given us a bit more freshness as all of our team must have been feeling the pressure.
I felt that the ball seldom went over the half way line and we needed somebody possibly Anichebe who would give us an outlet and hold the ball up.
AI must react quicker and bring subs on in time to have a worthwhile influence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 21, 2014, 03:34:51 PM
Am I the only one not seeing these 'great' performances?

It's entirely an issue oif personal point of view. If you're from the era of us being in Europe and all that then maybe this isn't that great. But I'm from the era of losing to Grimbsy and Walsall and Port Vale giving us a hard time, so this is great as far as i'm concerned.

We utterly outplayed Man U for the opening 30 mins and at several points played some very good, pretty and productive football.

I am disapointed we lost the lead, but on balance it was a fair enough result. What I am very positive about is that we are "only" drawing against Man U and we're feeling let down by that to an extent.

We're not playing all attack total football, but if we did try it we'd be killed. We're beating Burnley (who were very poor) 4-0, then drawing 2-2 with Man U a few games later..... This is a huge improvement on last season's desperate fumble for the finish line.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on October 21, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
It's entirely an issue oif personal point of view. If you're from the era of us being in Europe and all that then maybe this isn't that great. But I'm from the era of losing to Grimbsy and Walsall and Port Vale giving us a hard time, so this is great as far as i'm concerned.

We utterly outplayed Man U for the opening 30 mins and at several points played some very good, pretty and productive football.

I am disapointed we lost the lead, but on balance it was a fair enough result. What I am very positive about is that we are "only" drawing against Man U and we're feeling let down by that to an extent.

We're not playing all attack total football, but if we did try it we'd be killed. We're beating Burnley (who were very poor) 4-0, then drawing 2-2 with Man U a few games later..... This is a huge improvement on last season's desperate fumble for the finish line.
Yes I agree to an extent but for a large part of last season we were going along at a point a match. It is very similar this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on October 21, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Am I the only one not seeing these 'great' performances?

No, I'm with you on that one too. We do look more solid and organised which is back to basics really but I wouldn't say the performances were great. It was men v boys for large parts of last night. We created only 2 attempts but fortunately we took both of them very well. We do seem to have a bit more fight about us and are heading the right way but still a long way to go. I'm looking forward to seeing some of our more creative players on show. I guess I'll have to wait until Bournemouth!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on October 21, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
I like a lot of the work AI has done so far, in particular I like the emergence of Berahino and Dawson. I know that is not AI's work exclusively but AI has helped them forward when they really needed to take that last crucial step into the PL. I also like the organization of the team and that we look committed and have good fighting spirit. We are not nearly as dour as I feared we would be under AI.

Where AI really has to grow is, as many have pointed out, in becoming more dynamic in substitutions and going forward. AI is benefiting from a red hot striker atm, but we need at least two more gears going forward. Relying on one and a half forward to carry the majority of our attack is simply too limited an approach. What happens when the top forward is off form, isn't scoring or doesn't get the service?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 21, 2014, 05:40:34 PM
Yes I agree to an extent but for a large part of last season we were going along at a point a match. It is very similar this season.

Again, a matter of perspective. I'm not one for being selective with data, so i'm not really making this argument. But if you choose to view the opening 4 games as our team finding it's legs and deeloping a shape with AI's input bbeing picked up (all of which takes time and can only happen on the pitch) then we did indeed get 2 points from 4 matches.

Once that opening month/ 6 weeks were out the way we played Spurs, Man U, Burnley and Liverpool and picked up 7 points, which is great going. The only honest context is the one at the end of the season, on the way we will have great performances and we'll have bad days at the office. No doubt at some point we'll beat a top 6 club and feel chuffed, then we'll lose to West Ham at home or something?

I do honestly believe though that we're on an upwards trend, having gone through a horrible last 18 months or so.

Palace, Leicester and Newcastle will be an interesting trio of results. Get 5+ points and I can't really see how anyone can argue against AI having done well, pick up 2 or less and he'll have his work cut out to win people over.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
I still can't say he's convincing me. We are playing well, but some of his decisions still baffle me. Yacob can't get near the team, Mulumbu seems welded to the bench, but we seem to be getting away with it at the minute.

I still think we'll be nearer the bottom than we'd all like, but I think there are enough basket cases that we'll stay up easily enough.
I think the reason is that AI wants us to be mobile and good in possession - which is fine by me. As is widely thought I think, Mulumbu isn't always the best at retaining possession and Yacob isn't the most mobile.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 21, 2014, 07:22:01 PM
I still can't say he's convincing me. We are playing well, but some of his decisions still baffle me. Yacob can't get near the team, Mulumbu seems welded to the bench, but we seem to be getting away with it at the minute.

I still think we'll be nearer the bottom than we'd all like, but I think there are enough basket cases that we'll stay up easily enough.

I guess the reason why Mulumbu and Yacob aren't involved is because at the moment the likes of Craig Gardner, James Morrison and Graham Dorrans are justifying their performances in a team which is getting results. There is no need to change something that isn't broken and I'm personally glad that Irvine has the balls about him to drop some of our more senior players. The onus is on themselves to get themselves back into the action - they shouldn't walk back in on reputation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 21, 2014, 07:31:52 PM
I think there are a few things which Irvine deserves credit for.

1. We have a team which is seemingly pulling in the same direction. Last night was backs against the wall but I couldn't fault the fighting qualities that the team showed. We were disjointed last season and at times it really showed. That isn't the case this year. We're playing as a team, there are no individuals and I also like the worth ethic which is around the squad. I would certainly say we have a united squad and management which is certainly needed after last years fiasco.

2. We have organisation and a structure about us. As showed last night and at Spurs and against Southampton earlier on in the season we are a very organised set up where individuals know their roles and duties. Again, last season was a complete and utter rabble and Irvine has addressed those areas. Last night was a great example of how we were compact, solid to breakdown and limited a very good Manchester United side to very few clear cut chances.

3. The healthy competition he has created. It would have been easy for Irvine to bow down to reputations but he hasn't done that and he has been loyal to those who have played well. It might have been easy for him at times this season to drop both Dawson and Berahino but he has allowed them game time to perform. Especially with more senior players ahead of Dawson and a new record signing competing with Berahino. He also showed the courage to drop Olsson and furthermore hasn't allowed a return for Mulumbu due to the good performances of Morrison and Gardner.

4. I can see a direction of what we're trying to do. We are turning into a football team. There is great athleticism amongst the squad and it is obvious that in recent fixtures we've been much better at keeping the ball, often dictating the pace and tempo of matches.

The first couple of games were worrying. The performances against Swansea and Everton were abject but since then we have been much better. There are plenty of improvements to be made, of that there is no denying, but I am seeing improvements in this side and thankfully we're also getting results. If Irvine can follow the trend of the past month then his tenure here will be a longer one than I originally expected.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2014, 07:33:03 PM
Everyone at the club including his fellow coaches are all on the same road.Very encouraging indeed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on October 21, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
The great thing is the players believe in him and this is showing in the perfomances. People are fighting for the cause and not each other. Saido Berahino's game has gone up several notches under AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 21, 2014, 08:29:50 PM
The great thing is the players believe in him and this is showing in the perfomances. People are fighting for the cause and not each other. Saido Berahino's game has gone up several notches under AI.

i think the fans should take most of the credit. the vitriol aimed at AI at the beginning has obviously created a siege mentality in the camp. they are all working together to prove most of us wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 21, 2014, 08:38:21 PM
i think the fans should take most of the credit. the vitriol aimed at AI at the beginning has obviously created a siege mentality in the camp. they are all working together to prove most of us wrong  ;D

Good call!

As for Saido upping his game under AI, I think this is a crucial part of AI being selected... renowned for his skill in bringing out the best in younger players... what are your thoughts folks?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on October 21, 2014, 09:33:57 PM
He's certainly making me eat my words.

Long may it continue!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 21, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
He's certainly making me eat my words.

Long may it continue!
I like to hold back and see.You never know in this game. Take QPR as an example? Took me by surprise as not know much about him.But I thought his coaching experience and the past up and downs with previous clubs could make him a fair fit.
Long way to go yet mate but am quietly confident.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 09:46:35 AM
I have just been looking back at some of the responses to the appointment of AI back in June. To say they were hysterical, in every sense of the word, would be understating matters.

He was personally abused, he was called a doughnut by one poster, put below Aaln Partridge in a ridiculous list of footballing Alan's by another, and one guy actually wrote to him at Everton's academy urging him to stay there as he was clearly not up to the task here. It was also mooted that we would not be able to attract any decent players.

In addition JP was slated and accused of preparing the club for a fire sale amongst other things. Fiasco was used by another poster. Relegated and Irvine gone by Christmas said someone else.

Emotions were running high, intelligent comment though was not at that time, but really, to be standing on pride at this point and declining to acknowledge that we have a had a steady, if not spectacular start to the season, is unreasonable.

There is a long way to go between here and next May, but what we have seen so far suggests that AI has at least a little tactical and man management nouse, and is not exactly looking out of his depth at the minute. The great Van Gaal, manager of the mighty Dutch team until a couple of months ago, didn't manage to outfox him on Monday night, so he can't be the muppet (another description used by an Albion supporter) that some might think.

Go back in this thread to June, around the 14th. You will see that AI has most definitely been subject to and subject of abuse, and whatever the outcome this season as a man he has done nothing to deserve that apart from not be the "big" football name that some of seem to think the job warrants.

Personally I don't care about the size of the man's name, I care about the quality of the job he does, and the outcomes he gets. So far, from a base level of below zero where we ended last season, he has done well in my book. He has blended new players with old, been brave enough to leave out people many on here viewed as lynch pins, totems who must stay in the team whatever, and he has changed our style of play from a drab, unimaginative static affair to flowing, fast and aggressive.

He deserves nothing less than our fullest support right now, and yes, though it may be hard to swallow, some of our fans do owe him an apology.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 22, 2014, 11:22:26 AM
its a bit too early for i told you so posts !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on October 22, 2014, 11:24:39 AM
its a bit too early for i told you so posts !!

Really, I saw plenty after the Everton & Swansea games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 22, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
Really, I saw plenty after the Everton & Swansea games

Too many from both sides on a weekly basis, not just one side.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
its a bit too early for i told you so posts !!

It was hardly an I told you so, more of a why not reflect on what was said and acknowledge that some of it was way beyond constructive comment and ventured into the realms of abuse?

Don't see why that's so hard to do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on October 22, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
It does make you wonder that since he has removed Mulumbu, Yacob and Olsson, the performances have been the best we have seen in a long while.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 22, 2014, 12:04:45 PM
Too many from both sides on a weekly basis, not just one side.
I completely disagree, the one side far outweighs the other.

As for ‘it’s too early for the I told you so posts’, possibly it is, Alan Irvine’s tenure may or may not end up as being deemed as successful.  However our recent form and improvement highlights how unreasonable and hysterical people we being after just 2/3 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
I don't think it's just down to the personnel changes. There seems to be a cohesive policy for each game which the players are responding to. Though things like Dawson being a better passer than Olsson or GMac helps with the football we are trying to play.

Bottom line for me is that any manager that can get us playing good football and look organised at the same time, has my full backing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 22, 2014, 12:51:44 PM
My "bit too early for I told you so posts" quip was not intended to be offensive to anyone, so apologies if anyone felt it was OTT.
That said, I do think that its too early to judge AI's tenure (positive or negative) the early signs are good but not conclusive, it does seem that he has adopted a well tried and tested methodology,
ie
1. focus upon organisation
2. tighten up defence
3. make spine solid
4. limit change as much as practical

sounds like Roy doesn't it? which IMO is no bad thing, a bit more attacking endeavour would be nice, but introduce it gradually as suspension / injury / loss of form, requires it.

I have opined upon AI's conservative way of approaching things but so far it has served him (and us) far better than I anticipated, lets hope it continues that way.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 22, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
I completely disagree, the one side far outweighs the other.

As for ‘it’s too early for the I told you so posts’, possibly it is, Alan Irvine’s tenure may or may not end up as being deemed as successful.  However our recent form and improvement highlights how unreasonable and hysterical people we being after just 2/3 games.

I'm not saying one side outweighs the other, i'm saying theres too many from both sides, which side it is is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 22, 2014, 01:14:32 PM
It is too early yet to judge, all coach's/manager's have a 'purple' patch, maybe AI is having his? Just a thought.

However, so far, even though its early, after a rocky start the signs are good and long may it continue, we need some stability at that level, and hopefully JP has unearthed a gem.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 04:23:26 PM
I really don't know where this is coming from. We still have massive problems at the Albion. We played well away at Spurs (who we caught on a bad day). We beat a virtual Championship side at home without it's two first choice strikers. We contained Liverpool without threatening and then lost anyway. And we just got absolutely hammered by a very poor Manchester United side but managed to come away with a point. Next 3 matches are huge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
What massive problems do we have?

I can't believe you're also making up excuses just to discredit our good performances and results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 04:41:50 PM
What massive problems do we have?

I can't believe you're also making up excuses just to discredit our good performances and results.

You bit!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 04:47:28 PM
What massive problems do we have?

I can't believe you're also making up excuses just to discredit our good performances and results.

I'm not mate, we went to Liverpool a team with no confidence, who have shown they can be got at and we gave them their easiest game of the season. Similarly on Monday we came up against what has so far this season been a 1 man team, no away win, leaking golas for fun and have 2 shots on target. We sat off them so badly Monday night we were asking for that equaliser. Burnley we played quite well, but they are pooh, absolute fodder and we needed 2 setpieces before we were able to start breaking them down as they chased the game. Tottenham was a similar performance to Southampton away and no one can argue Spurs weren't very poor, we nicked the goal and the points. Credit where it's due.

Massive problems in my eyes: Reliance on Berahino for goal threat. Can't break teams down. Drop too deep when in front. Can't defend leads and see out games. Show opposition far too much respect. Appalling substitutions (or lack there of).

You bit!

I'm deadly serious mate, no fishing/trolling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 22, 2014, 04:51:38 PM
I really don't know where this is coming from. We still have massive problems at the Albion. We played well away at Spurs (who we caught on a bad day). We beat a virtual Championship side at home without it's two first choice strikers. We contained Liverpool without threatening and then lost anyway. And we just got absolutely hammered by a very poor Manchester United side but managed to come away with a point. Next 3 matches are huge.

We did have massive problems the start of the season, when we had no manager, half a team, no communication from the board etc, but those problems are slowly being solved. We had recruited well and look solid as a team. Peace has took more responsibility and become more vocal. We have recruited well respected journalists and the communication with fans has increased 10 fold to what it was last season. You only have to look at The Albion Assembly and our twitter account which now interacts with fans!

I agree the next 3 games are huge and could shape our season but to say we have massive problems is wrong.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Wim doooomed. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2014, 05:02:20 PM
We didn't nick anything against Tottenham. We deserved those three points. It was a complete away performance in my eyes. We controlled a lot of the ball, some of the best ball retention I've seen from an Albion side in years, we created chances and thankfully managed to grab a goal late on. Maybe the reason Spurs were poor was because our two centre halves got their head onto every Spurs cross, kicked everything that came away, and also our midfield pressing Spurs in possession forcing them into mistakes? The polar opposite to our performance at Swansea?

As for the United game on Monday - we started on the frontfoot by pressing them in possession and having a fast tempo about our play, we broke them down on several occasions, firstly the goal, secondly a cross that just missed Berahino and thirdly the second goal where a Brunt pass split them apart. I don't think United are a poor side either. They're a side going through transition but I wouldn't suggest a side which includes RvP, Juan Mata, Angel Di Maria and Falcao are poor.

I don't think we show the opposition to much respect either - earlier on in the season I would agree with your analysis that we have massive problems but they're being rectified. We're starting games on the frontfoot, we're tenacious in midfield, looking to press the opposition and furthermore we actually look like we know how to defend for the first time since Roy's era. There is a togetherness about this squad, there are some much needed fighting qualities being shown as well as some very encouraging signs when we have possession.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2014, 05:05:27 PM
Another comment I have seen that is bugging me people saying "without Berahino we'd be in trouble", "we're relying on Berahino".

No doubt if you had taken away Berahino's goals then we would be struggling but I do not buy into these comments. Berahino is a striker, his job is to score goals. The same token could apply to any one of the other 19 Premier League clubs. We're providing Berahino with the service and he's taking the chances.

I don't think there's anything lucky about that, personally.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 22, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
Another comment I have seen that is bugging me people saying "without Berahino we'd be in trouble", "we're relying on Berahino".

No doubt if you had taken away Berahino's goals then we would be struggling but I do not buy into these comments. Berahino is a striker, his job is to score goals. The same token could apply to any one of the other 19 Premier League clubs. We're providing Berahino with the service and he's taking the chances.

I don't think there's anything lucky about that, personally.

As much as I am an Irvine-sceptic I think pinning our current position on Berahino is daft. Like you have stated, it's his job to score goals.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 05:13:29 PM
We didn't nick anything against Tottenham. We deserved those three points. It was a complete away performance in my eyes. We controlled a lot of the ball, some of the best ball retention I've seen from an Albion side in years, we created chances and thankfully managed to grab a goal late on. Maybe the reason Spurs were poor was because our two centre halves got their head onto every Spurs cross, kicked everything that came away, and also our midfield pressing Spurs in possession forcing them into mistakes? The polar opposite to our performance at Swansea?

As for the United game on Monday - we started on the frontfoot by pressing them in possession and having a fast tempo about our play, we broke them down on several occasions, firstly the goal, secondly a cross that just missed Berahino and thirdly the second goal where a Brunt pass split them apart. I don't think United are a poor side either. They're a side going through transition but I wouldn't suggest a side which includes RvP, Juan Mata, Angel Di Maria and Falcao are poor.

I don't think we show the opposition to much respect either - earlier on in the season I would agree with your analysis that we have massive problems but they're being rectified. We're starting games on the frontfoot, we're tenacious in midfield, looking to press the opposition and furthermore we actually look like we know how to defend for the first time since Roy's era. There is a togetherness about this squad, there are some much needed fighting qualities being shown as well as some very encouraging signs when we have possession.

I took 2 United season ticket holders to the game on Monday (naughty I know, but they're good lads), they know a poor Man United side when they see one. The names you mentioned are top class players, but Manchester United aren't a team, they're a group of individuals, they have no balance no bite and no control in midfield and no defence to speak of. Yet we couldn't have grumbled if they'd taken the points after dominating at least 2/3rds of the match. Our first goal came from a mistake from I think Rojas, before a neat ball from Dorrans and a superb finish from Sess after a skewed cross. The second goal massively against the run of play was good, Brunt still had to make the clever pass but Rojas and Jones parted like Moses was involved (not Victor). It couldn't have been any easier and we should have been doing it over and over again.

Another comment I have seen that is bugging me people saying "without Berahino we'd be in trouble", "we're relying on Berahino".

No doubt if you had taken away Berahino's goals then we would be struggling but I do not buy into these comments. Berahino is a striker, his job is to score goals. The same token could apply to any one of the other 19 Premier League clubs. We're providing Berahino with the service and he's taking the chances.

I don't think there's anything lucky about that, personally.

Didn't mention luck. But it's a fact we're relying on him. He has scored more goals than all of his teammates combined.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2014, 05:18:57 PM
Our first goal came from a mistake from I think Rojas

Didn't mention luck. But it's a fact we're relying on him. He has scored more goals than all of his teammates combined.

And their first goal came a decision to award a dodgy corner and then Fellani pushed Lescott in the back and then their second goal came from a mistake from Lescott. We can both do that.

I never suggested you mentioned luck. Saido's role is to score goals and that is what he is currently doing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
And their first goal came a decision to award a dodgy corner and then Fellani pushed Lescott in the back and then their second goal came from a mistake from Lescott. We can both do that.

I never suggested you mentioned luck. Saido's role is to score goals and that is what he is currently doing.

It's never an ideal situation if one player has more goals than the rest of the squad however you look at it. Ideally you want your top scorer to have roughly 50-60% as many goals as the rest of the squad. So If Berahino gets to 20 then the team has got to 55-60 goals, Berahino on 20 and the club on 35 goals sends you down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2014, 05:48:58 PM
I really don't know where this is coming from. We still have massive problems at the Albion. We played well away at Spurs (who we caught on a bad day). We beat a virtual Championship side at home without it's two first choice strikers. We contained Liverpool without threatening and then lost anyway. And we just got absolutely hammered by a very poor Manchester United side but managed to come away with a point. Next 3 matches are huge.

Massive problems!  ;D

We had massive problems last season, we now have a TEAM compared to last season which was like a squad of individuals. The fact that you won't give us any credit for our results and performances so far is unbelievable to be honest but there you go. I suppose if we beat Palace on the weekend you'll find some way to discredit the performance and Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
Massive problems!  ;D

We had massive problems last season, we now have a TEAM compared to last season which was like a squad of individuals. The fact that you won't give us any credit for our results and performances so far is unbelievable to be honest but there you go. I suppose if we beat Palace on the weekend you'll find some way to discredit the performance and Irvine.

I suppose if we lose to Palace without really threatening you'll sweep it under the carpet as a bad day at the office?

I haven't discredited anything, we aren't a great deal better than last season, we still can't hold onto leads, we defend better but carry less of an attacking threat. It's all pretty similar. Unity, team spirit etc. only really matter if they are converted into points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 22, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
Liverpool finished second in the Premiership last season, Man United started with £200M+ of talent on the pitch (with 3 out of the top ten most expensive signings in Europe this summer) and brought on last season's 3rd most expensive player in the Premier League. We gave them both a game. Its not looking good.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 06:20:52 PM
Liverpool finished second in the Premiership last season, Man United started with £200M+ of talent on the pitch (with 3 out of the top ten most expensive signings in Europe this summer) and brought on last season's 3rd most expensive player in the Premier League. We gave them both a game. Its not looking good.  :-X

We didn't give Liverpool a game, they held us at arms length (and we allowed them to). You are choosing to ignore the fact that MANCHESTER UNITED fans don't rate their current side, reputations (price tags) mean nothing in this case.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 22, 2014, 06:21:56 PM
Liverpool finished second in the Premiership last season, Man United started with £200M+ of talent on the pitch (with 3 out of the top ten most expensive signings in Europe this summer) and brought on last season's 3rd most expensive player in the Premier League. We gave them both a game. Its not looking good.  :-X
To quote REM,

It's the end of the world as we know it... And I feel fine!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2014, 06:33:59 PM
To quote REM,

It's the end of the world as we know it... And I feel fine!

To quote Martin Luther King Jr. Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.

Or even better Mr Charles Darwin. I am not apt to follow blindly the lead of other men
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on October 22, 2014, 06:52:12 PM
It's never an ideal situation if one player has more goals than the rest of the squad however you look at it. Ideally you want your top scorer to have roughly 50-60% as many goals as the rest of the squad. So If Berahino gets to 20 then the team has got to 55-60 goals, Berahino on 20 and the club on 35 goals sends you down.

We still have Ideye and Sessegnon to start contributing more, Ideye will score a few and Sessegnon will surely have a boost from his cracker on Monday. Additionally Dorrans, Morrison, Brunt and Gardner are bound to chip in with 2-3 each hopefully. Give them a chance!

One thing I will say for Irvine is that our shape and organisation has improved immeasurably, we're going into games knowing we have a chance. Last season we were starting to despair.

Jacko, look at the positives as opposed to the negatives. You say we threw away a lead against Utd but their first goal was dodgy, firstly because of the corner that never was and the Lescott barge. Refereeing decisions were dodgy all night long. We did deserve more against Liverpool, the three results before them were very good performances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
To quote Martin Luther King Jr. Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.

Or even better Mr Charles Darwin. I am not apt to follow blindly the lead of other men

To quote myself, you are taking the views of two MUFC fans as proof that there team us not good, and that is a mistake.

Now they have been used to their team dominating the Prem for quite a few years now ("Twent times, twenty times Man United"), so any team of theirs that hasn't walked to the Championship will inevitably be seen as poor. It's only natural.

But that doesn't actually make them a poor team, nor does it diminish Albion's performance on Monday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 22, 2014, 07:48:46 PM
We didn't give Liverpool a game, they held us at arms length (and we allowed them to). You are choosing to ignore the fact that MANCHESTER UNITED fans don't rate their current side, reputations (price tags) mean nothing in this case.
Because some Man United fans don't rate their current side does not actually make them a bad side  ;) Although because they couldn't even beat little West Bromwich Albion clearly they are 8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 22, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
We didn't give Liverpool a game, they held us at arms length (and we allowed them to). You are choosing to ignore the fact that MANCHESTER UNITED fans don't rate their current side, reputations (price tags) mean nothing in this case.

Best performance of the season according to Van Gaal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on October 22, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
I really don't know where this is coming from. We still have massive problems at the Albion. We played well away at Spurs (who we caught on a bad day). We beat a virtual Championship side at home without it's two first choice strikers. We contained Liverpool without threatening and then lost anyway. And we just got absolutely hammered by a very poor Manchester United side but managed to come away with a point. Next 3 matches are huge.

Except for Chris Brunt I suppose
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 22, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
Best performance of the season according to Van Gaal.

If that was their best performance of the season then Jacko may have a point!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2014, 09:04:37 PM
Ay carumba, you all want to live surrounded by seemingly billions of MU fans. (oh wait that could be anywhere).

The news here oop North just said how MU failed to win, told us who scored for them but ignored us completely.

I do disagree with anyone who felt MU were all over us. I was with a few impartial friends who will take the pee whenever they can but they thought we were fantastic, no bias there.

You can't deny our passion right now on the pitch.

So, to finally unite us all over Alan - obviously after we have won against Palace and Bournemouth, so no pressure - how about we rewrite the lyrics to The Clash's 'Should I Stay Or Should I Go?'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 09:09:26 PM
Ay carumba...after we have won against Palace and Bournemouth, so no pressure - how about we rewrite the lyrics to The Clash's 'Should I Stay Or Should I Go?'

'Will you apologise or no?'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
'Will you apologise or no?'

See, it's taking shape already!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on October 22, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
Ay carumba, you all want to live surrounded by seemingly billions of MU fans. (oh wait that could be anywhere).

The news here oop North just said how MU failed to win, told us who scored for them but ignored us completely.

I do disagree with anyone who felt MU were all over us. I was with a few impartial friends who will take the pee whenever they can but they thought we were fantastic, no bias there.

You can't deny our passion right now on the pitch.

So, to finally unite us all over Alan - obviously after we have won against Palace and Bournemouth, so no pressure - how about we rewrite the lyrics to The Clash's 'Should I Stay Or Should I Go?'

They had 63% possession,  22 shots and 11 corners to our none. I'd say they dominated the game entirely. Fortunately we managed to score at the right times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 22, 2014, 09:21:56 PM
They had 63% possession,  22 shots and 11 corners to our none. I'd say they dominated the game entirely. Fortunately we managed to score at the right times.

Clearly I had my rose tinted glasses on then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
It's never an ideal situation if one player has more goals than the rest of the squad however you look at it. Ideally you want your top scorer to have roughly 50-60% as many goals as the rest of the squad. So If Berahino gets to 20 then the team has got to 55-60 goals, Berahino on 20 and the club on 35 goals sends you down.
We'd better start scoring from a couple of direct free kicks now and then, that would make a change. Maybe Saido had better take all those as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2014, 09:33:56 AM
To quote Martin Luther King Jr. Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.

Or even better Mr Charles Darwin. I am not apt to follow blindly the lead of other men

Or to quote Albionic,
taking the juxta position does not imply correctness, but rather talking c*!p.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dan7heman on October 24, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Hope in years to come the irony of the "Alan F*ing Irvine" song is loved by us all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 24, 2014, 09:29:28 PM
Hope in years to come the irony of the "Alan F*ing Irvine" song is loved by us all.

It's more moronic then ironic, sung by immature pubescents who somehow think its 'banta', as someone who detest's the 'easily offended' culture within todays society, I can honestly say I am offended that our Head Coach is being abused by our OWN fans, there's no need for it, time to pick up the toys & move on. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 24, 2014, 10:41:46 PM
It's more moronic then ironic, sung by immature pubescents who somehow think its 'banta', as someone who detest's the 'easily offended' culture within todays society, I can honestly say I am offended that our Head Coach is being abused by our OWN fans, there's no need for it, time to pick up the toys & move on.

I don't care for it one bit either. And even if it is ironic, it's still a constant reminder of when it wasn't, back before the man had even donned a track suit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 24, 2014, 10:50:51 PM
What has impressed me in recent weeks has been the Hodgson-esque organisation, mixed with some nice football. In the first half against Utd I thought we moved the ball really well. A little predictable at times, but good none the less.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2014, 05:28:04 PM
Jekyll & Hyde so far
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 05:30:53 PM
Needs to change his philosophy. There will come a time set pieces won't see us through against average sides. Wisdom Gardner and Dorrans should be the first casualties.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
Jekyll & Hyde so far

I sort of agree with that, today was the first League game where he has made a change that has made a positive difference.

There are some good signs, but lets see where we are by Christmas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 25, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
Back to our best second half but first half was poor no doubt about it. I think in future home games against mid table teams I'd go 4-4-2 with Big Vic and Berahino up top. Sess just looked lost out there first half and kept losing the ball.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on October 25, 2014, 05:46:19 PM
Needs to change his philosophy. There will come a time set pieces won't see us through against average sides. Wisdom Gardner and Dorrans should be the first casualties.
Surely the consistently wrong side of mediocre Morrison should be dropped before either of these
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on October 25, 2014, 05:48:59 PM
Needs to change his philosophy. There will come a time set pieces won't see us through against average sides. Wisdom Gardner and Dorrans should be the first casualties.

I'd like to see Gamboa and Varela start down the right. We always look so narrow. I think dropping any of the midfielders is harsh but needs to be done for shape. I don't think Gardner deserves to be dropped. I'd bring Varela in for Dorrans but it's harsh on Dozza.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on October 25, 2014, 05:50:32 PM
Surely the consistently wrong side of mediocre Morrison should be dropped before either of these

I agree entirely Morrison offers nothing to the team and has not done for ages. At least Dorrans scores more often and Gardner looks more likely to score
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
Chose those two based on the positions they are playing. Mulumbu is better than Gardner.  Dorrans is not a wide man and he's not as good centrally as Morrison
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on October 25, 2014, 06:00:22 PM
Chose those two based on the positions they are playing. Mulumbu is better than Gardner.  Dorrans is not a wide man and he's not as good centrally as Morrison
But Morrison has been playing centrally, and he has been very poor in every match bar Burnley. Dorrans, I agree, is not ideally suited to wide right, but he has been doing better there than Morrison has centrally, so keeps his place for me. Gardner has been pretty decent in most games, so very harsh to drop him imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 06:03:37 PM
Morrison put in two fantastic tackles last 10 mins one saved a potential Palace goal the other lead to the penalty. He's also the quickest of our midfield foursome.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
Hope Irvine learn't today you need to change certain players against physical sides.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on October 25, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
needs to remember we have 3 subs to use at any time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 25, 2014, 06:39:53 PM
needs to remember we have 3 subs to use at any time.
having Anichebe means we must have one spare at all times.  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 07:04:37 PM
It's really getting stupid bumping this thread every single time we don't win to complain.

Palace got a poor first goal and then Pocognoli made a ridiculous tackle for no reason, the team we started with merited it. Then in the second half he changed things, bought Anichebe on who changed the game and we got a deserved draw. Hardly a disaster. Obviously games like Palace at home you target for 3 points but that's not going to happen everytime, and we'll generally pick up unexpected wins like Spurs that should keep us going ok.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 25, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
I said at half time today that we weren't going to score being creative or fancy - we need to batter down a ten man defence and bringing
Big Vic into the game worked well. Kudos to Alan for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on October 25, 2014, 07:50:35 PM
Chose those two based on the positions they are playing. Mulumbu is better than Gardner.  Dorrans is not a wide man and he's not as good centrally as Morrison
you do talk some rubbish, first the knives are in dorrans, and now it's
Gardner. But i see as usual your blue eyed boy escapes any criticism. Shocking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 08:35:39 PM
you do talk some rubbish, first the knives are in dorrans, and now it's
Gardner. But i see as usual your blue eyed boy escapes any criticism. Shocking.

Reported. Anyway, you do realise if a player is criticised it doesn't mean the knives are out for them... If you mean Brunt, aside from giving the ball away late in the first half when Pocognoli had gone past him he had a very good game. Another assist too.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 25, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Reported. Anyway, you do realise if a player is criticised it doesn't mean the knives are out for them... If you mean Brunt, aside from giving the ball away late in the first half when Pocognoli had gone past him he had a very good game. Another assist too.  ;)

Reported what?  :-[ someones opinion? whats that they say about kitchens & heat?
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 09:00:19 PM
Reported what?  :-[ someones opinion? whats that they say about kitchens & heat?
 

Bit of respect, if I told everyone on here they talk rubbish who I believe does I'd have sore fingers and be banned within a day.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 25, 2014, 09:05:30 PM
Bit of respect, if I told everyone on here they talk rubbish who I believe does I'd have sore fingers and be banned within a day.

Surprised you've used that card Jack, you normally give as good as you get, I'll stop reading/replying to your post's if you start getting boring  :-* 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on October 25, 2014, 09:27:26 PM
Reported. Anyway, you do realise if a player is criticised it doesn't mean the knives are out for them... If you mean Brunt, aside from giving the ball away late in the first half when Pocognoli had gone past him he had a very good game. Another assist too.  ;)
so you can give it but not take it? Its a good job i don't
report the things you put on here that i disagree with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:42:48 AM
I recall Irvine wanting and eventually getting 2 new wide men during the transfer window but seems unwilling to use the one fully fit one available and it is questionable if he would have used Varela much if not injured. Add Gamboa to the equation of flair players added to the squad and it indicates that Irvine will continue with his conservative approach. If so what was the point signing players he seems reluctant to use?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on October 26, 2014, 03:30:47 AM
I recall Irvine wanting and eventually getting 2 new wide men during the transfer window but seems unwilling to use the one fully fit one available and it is questionable if he would have used Varela much if not injured. Add Gamboa to the equation of flair players added to the squad and it indicates that Irvine will continue with his conservative approach. If so what was the point signing players he seems reluctant to use?

Spot on. I think he should definitely have used Gamboa against Palace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 26, 2014, 06:55:43 AM
Credit to Irvine for making the sub at half time and what he said to them in the dressing room worked, however I was a bit surprised why he took Dorrans off as he looked a lot better in the second half.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 26, 2014, 07:33:54 AM
It seems to me that Irvine is never going to trust our flair players, apart from Sessegnon (and even he is obviously liable to get yanked off, even when an otherwise attacking substitution is made), so the best that the likes of Blanco and Varela can hope for looks to be 10-15 minutes as impact players. You can maybe see an argument for that against the top clubs, but I think we need to be more adventurous against teams who are not really any better than we are.

Also, as others have noted, our lack of width makes us rather one-dimensionsal and, hence, easier to defend against.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 26, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
Question for Mr Irvine: you are a goal down at home against a similar standard team to your own, 10 minutes left with a 10 million pound striker on the bench,if you are not going to use him in those circumstances just when are you going to use him!!?? >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 26, 2014, 08:10:01 AM
Question for Mr Irvine: you are a goal down at home against a similar standard team to your own, 10 minutes left with a 10 million pound striker on the bench,if you are not going to use him in those circumstances just when are you going to use him!!?? >:( >:(

Not sure Mr Irvine reads this thread (not if he's got any sense) so I'll try to answer the question for him whilst slightly expanding the timeline, 2-0 down with 45 minutes left & I have a choice of a 10 million pound player or big Vic, pressure's on to put on the expensive investment or trust my tactical experience & go for more physicality, VA gets the nod & within minutes we're a goal back, 8 minutes left I again have a big decision to make & decide to go with Blanco, before the end of the game we equalise & get a draw out of a game that most would have settled for at half time.

Brown Ideye will get his chance this season & it will be up to him to take it but his price tag should not dictate when he plays, to Irvine's credit he has had the testicles not to put old favourites & our most expensive player in the team if he felt it wasn't in the best interest's of the team.     
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 26, 2014, 08:41:47 AM
Not sure Mr Irvine reads this thread (not if he's got any sense) so I'll try to answer the question for him whilst slightly expanding the timeline, 2-0 down with 45 minutes left & I have a choice of a 10 million pound player or big Vic, pressure's on to put on the expensive investment or trust my tactical experience & go for more physicality, VA gets the nod & within minutes we're a goal back, 8 minutes left I again have a big decision to make & decide to go with Blanco, before the end of the game we equalise & get a draw out of a game that most would have settled for at half time.

I'm inclined to agree with this reply.
Brown Ideye will get his chance this season & it will be up to him to take it but his price tag should not dictate when he plays, to Irvine's credit he has had the testicles not to put old favourites & our most expensive player in the team if he felt it wasn't in the best interest's of the team.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 26, 2014, 08:57:10 AM
I've said it before I'll say it again - if we let teams like Palace, Subderland, Stoke, Burnley, etc. Score first, we will spend the remainder of the game trying to break down 10 men behind the ball.

We get an early goal against those looking to park the bus and they HAVE to come out and attack and we can hit them on the break. As long as we concede early goals or the first goal we will be frustrated all season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 26, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
Not sure Mr Irvine reads this thread (not if he's got any sense) so I'll try to answer the question for him whilst slightly expanding the timeline, 2-0 down with 45 minutes left & I have a choice of a 10 million pound player or big Vic, pressure's on to put on the expensive investment or trust my tactical experience & go for more physicality, VA gets the nod & within minutes we're a goal back, 8 minutes left I again have a big decision to make & decide to go with Blanco, before the end of the game we equalise & get a draw out of a game that most would have settled for at half time.

Brown Ideye will get his chance this season & it will be up to him to take it but his price tag should not dictate when he plays, to Irvine's credit he has had the testicles not to put old favourites & our most expensive player in the team if he felt it wasn't in the best interest's of the team.   
So we have spent 10 million pounds on a player who in an ideal world (no loss of form injuries suspensions etc) is basically a reserve/cover player? Personally  i dont think as a club we can afford that as the money or a part of it could have been used to sign first choices.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on October 26, 2014, 10:44:12 AM
So we have spent 10 million pounds on a player who in an ideal world (no loss of form injuries suspensions etc) is basically a reserve/cover player? Personally  i dont think as a club we can afford that as the money or a part of it could have been used to sign first choices.

Surely you play the guy who is scoring goals? (Berahino) Then in a match where you realise we are being out battled you look to see who can hold the ball and provide support. Brown does not offer you that but Anichebe does.

And £10m for Brown means nothing. Currently the papers are saying Berahino is worth £25m. So we didn"t pay that because he came through the youth team but on that basis Berahino should also be playing as first choice striker which he is.

And also saying the money could be used for first choices in what positions do we need them? We needed them upfront more than any other position and have strengthened the other areas without having to pay £10m a pop.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 26, 2014, 10:46:14 AM
So we have spent 10 million pounds on a player who in an ideal world (no loss of form injuries suspensions etc) is basically a reserve/cover player? Personally  i dont think as a club we can afford that as the money or a part of it could have been used to sign first choices.

It doesn't really work like that though does it? do you go with form or do you go with the big transfer fee? Berahino is in direct competition with Ideye in the current system, so if you had to pick one of them at the moment, which one would you choose? 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 26, 2014, 11:49:31 AM
Question for Mr Irvine: you are a goal down at home against a similar standard team to your own, 10 minutes left with a 10 million pound striker on the bench,if you are not going to use him in those circumstances just when are you going to use him!!?? >:( >:(

We equalised in the end so his subs were justified. Who would you have took off?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 26, 2014, 11:56:44 AM
It seems to me that Irvine is never going to trust our flair players, apart from Sessegnon (and even he is obviously liable to get yanked off, even when an otherwise attacking substitution is made), so the best that the likes of Blanco and Varela can hope for looks to be 10-15 minutes as impact players. You can maybe see an argument for that against the top clubs, but I think we need to be more adventurous against teams who are not really any better than we are.

Also, as others have noted, our lack of width makes us rather one-dimensionsal and, hence, easier to defend against.

I agree about lack of width, I hope Varela can get back fit as soon as possible because of the little I saw him against Hull in the cup he looked a really good player and obviously playing for Porto and Portugal he's going to have something about him. Sessegnon has played a lot this season so I don't agree about Irvine not trusting our flair players. The fact is that our midfield has performed very well over the past few games, so I don't think anyone deserved to be dropped for someone like Blanco who we've not seen much off to determine if he's any better than any of our midfielders who are proven Premier League players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 26, 2014, 12:20:22 PM
So we have spent 10 million pounds on a player who in an ideal world (no loss of form injuries suspensions etc) is basically a reserve/cover player? Personally  i dont think as a club we can afford that as the money or a part of it could have been used to sign first choices.
To Quote Myself:-

because he's quite similar to Saido, so that change isnt worth it and taking another midfielder off plays into Palace's counter-offensive hands

But then your sole excuse is "he cost lots of money"... And?

tactically it would have been a waste as we wouldn't have been any better or infact a little worse off.

Finally, we knew Saido was good, but really the club couldn't predict he'd have such a great start. I think they DID bring Brown in to be first choice, but for now he'll have to wait his turn.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 26, 2014, 01:33:01 PM
We equalised in the end so his subs were justified. Who would you have took off?
Dorrans, very poor offered nothing! or if it was very late may have gambled and taken Wisdom off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:39:43 PM
so you can give it but not take it? Its a good job i don't
report the things you put on here that i disagree with.

Could we stop with all this rubbish rubbish and just start respecting others opinions and getting on with the thread?

Jacko has had warnings before about how he addresses members - he's obviously listened because despite posting comments we might not agree with I haven't seen him labeling opinions as rubbish.

Football is a game of opinions - some have differing views, but they're entitled to be aired without being shot down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 26, 2014, 01:48:48 PM

Football is a game of opinions - some have differing views, but they're entitled to be aired without being shot down.
I disagree, that is what debate is about.  I agree that countering an opinion with "thats rubbish" is not acceptable but like I am shooting down your opinion in this reply with reasoned examples of why it is rubbish  ;) should be allowed.  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 02:16:47 PM
I disagree, that is what debate is about.  I agree that countering an opinion with "thats rubbish" is not acceptable but like I am shooting down your opinion in this reply with reasoned examples of why it is rubbish  ;) should be allowed.  :-*

And I have no problems with that. By shot down I meant being called "rubbish" or "hilarious" or any other word of that nature  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 28, 2014, 09:44:22 PM
Hope he's as pi$$ed off tonight as he was at half time on Saturday.

I'd much prefer it in future if our head coach came out and said 'I'm not going to take this competition seriously. I'm going to use it to give my second XI a run out so don't get your hopes up'.

That way, the fans would spend their £££.

Need a win on the weekend. No wins in 4 league games otherwise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 28, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
I suspect the tide will be turning again now.........tricky game so make that many changes and a midfield of Baird , Mulumbu and O'Neill ......Dear oh dear Alan talk about shoot yourself in the foot.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mikkyk on October 28, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
He got it badly, badly wrong tonight. Don't win on Saturday and we've failed to beat Palace, Bournemouth and Leicester in consecutive games. That spells problems
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 28, 2014, 09:51:22 PM
majorly disappointing, some very poor performances tonight, but worst of all was the total lack of cohesion. I know this mob haven't played together in a match environment but surely training should address a large part of this, Bournemouth weren't all that either. Very sad for those who spent their hard earned to watch that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Poo team selection poo performance just as bad as the rest borrowed time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on October 28, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
He's been alright in the league since the Everton game but his cup selections are really baffling. To the point I suspect there's no will to win these games at all. That in all 3 rounds we've done our best to lose speaks volumes. He should however learn from RDM, a league cup loss like this creates pressure, a win gives him breathing space. If we don't perform against Leicester he's unnecessarily put huge pressure on himself by dissapointing so many travelling fans tonight. Why is Chris Baird, a player so painfully obviously finished playing as a central midfielder? Why do we keep playing teams of defensive midfielders, who bizarrely then manage to offer no protection to our defence, as well no attacking impetus.

The thing that concerns me most with Irvine is his complete reluctance to change things. I said at half time, and it was obvious to anyone watching the match, we needed to change that midfield and get Gardner on at a minimum. Instead we kept things the same, went 1-0 down, then bizarrely bought Samaras on when our problems were getting the ball to the strikers in the first place with the least forward looking midfield of all time. Unsurprisingly we conceded soon after, then somehow kept Baird and Mulumbu on with Gardner on the bench for the rest of the game. Gardner isn't a top player but he's a class above any of those in that midfield tonight, astonishing to keep him on the bench in light of who was kept on.

Mind you he's not helped that the scouts have once again failed miserably in their foreign imports. Pocognoli aside each and everyone (Gamboa shows glimpses of being ok eventually actually) looks terrible. Not even average, genuinely bad players even against Bournemouth reserves. We used McDonough as a scapegoat last season but its clear there's wider problems in the scouting department.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on October 28, 2014, 10:00:05 PM
a poor team selection but is he to blame for utilising a squad who were signed for our head coach to use? Davidson,baird,blanco,ideye,samaras,varela all look shocking signings. gmacs time as a starter is over. o neil looked out of his depth against bournemouths reserves.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 28, 2014, 10:01:37 PM
Hope he's as pi$$ed off tonight as he was at half time on Saturday.

I'd much prefer it in future if our head coach came out and said 'I'm not going to take this competition seriously. I'm going to use it to give my second XI a run out so don't get your hopes up'.

That way, the fans would spend their £££.

Need a win on the weekend. No wins in 4 league games otherwise.

The fans would have travelled to Bournemouth tonight no matter what. The side was not far off what I expected to be picked and should have the quality to beat Bournemouth. What they didn't have tonight is the ambition or application, how many easy passes went astray from players with significant Premiership experience.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on October 28, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
I never wanted him in the first place but I cannot lay the blame on him tonight.  That team regardless of it being our 2nd 11 should have been good enough to be Bournmouths 2nd 11.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 28, 2014, 10:03:43 PM
The fans would have travelled to Bournemouth tonight no matter what. The side was not far off what I expected to be picked and should have the quality to beat Bournemouth. What they didn't have tonight is the ambition or application, how many easy passes went astray from players with significant Premiership experience.

they looked like a group of players who haven't played together at all, all far too rusty, they need game time the problem is how???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2014, 10:04:04 PM
To be fair it was near enough a similar team to the one which beat Hull in the previous round. These players needed the game time and we simply have to give it them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2014, 10:06:36 PM
Thin ice Irvine.totally and utterly shocking
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on October 28, 2014, 10:10:52 PM
There was absolutely no motivation in the side. Even Father Ted on the touchline seemed to be motionless every time the cameras panned on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 28, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
To be fair it was near enough a similar team to the one which beat Hull in the previous round. These players needed the game time and we simply have to give it them.

I wouldn't give Baird one more minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on October 28, 2014, 10:18:10 PM
Those saying we should beat Bournmouth are forgetting that they are a team with huge momentum and confidence running through their side. They are 4th place in the Championship (2 points off the top), coming off the back of a huge win and playing at home against a side who have been very shaky all season so far.

The recent history of cup competitions should tell anyone that if you play a second string side, whoever the opposition, we could lose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on October 28, 2014, 10:20:45 PM
Those saying we should beat Bournmouth are forgetting that they are a team with huge momentum and confidence running through their side. They are 4th place in the Championship (2 points off the top), coming off the back of a huge win and playing at home against a side who have been very shaky all season so far.

The recent history of cup competitions should tell anyone that if you play a second string side, whoever the opposition, we could lose.

There can be no excuse for us not beating a Championship side fielding 10 - yes 10 - reserves.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on October 28, 2014, 10:23:15 PM
Those saying we should beat Bournmouth are forgetting that they are a team with huge momentum and confidence running through their side. They are 4th place in the Championship (2 points off the top), coming off the back of a huge win and playing at home against a side who have been very shaky all season so far.

The recent history of cup competitions should tell anyone that if you play a second string side, whoever the opposition, we could lose.

There's a huge difference in losing though, and then never looking like you have an interest in winning.

Tonight was certainly the latter and never have I seen a side look so determined to lose a match. I cannot believe those players put in 100% effort tonight which is the bare minimum, having at 1-0 witnessed them walking round, half heartedly chasing shadows, and constantly looping hopelessly poor long balls out of play. If we lost by them putting their all in and losing, fine. But to lose with the players looking like they did is appalling. The team that played tonight failed to meet the minimum standard in just about every conceivable way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on October 28, 2014, 10:25:13 PM
Those saying we should beat Bournmouth are forgetting that they are a team with huge momentum and confidence running through their side. They are 4th place in the Championship (2 points off the top), coming off the back of a huge win and playing at home against a side who have been very shaky all season so far.

The recent history of cup competitions should tell anyone that if you play a second string side, whoever the opposition, we could lose.


What?  They are a Championship team who made 10 chances from their league game.  Only 1 of their player played against Brum.  If we had lost to their first 11 with our 2nd team then I would have accepted it to some extent but I dont understand how anyone can accept that our 2nd 11 cant beat their second 11. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2014, 10:26:57 PM
Excuses excuses  not good enough and the traffic getting out is just as poo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 28, 2014, 10:30:32 PM
I keep going back to the supposed reason for Irvines appointment that being he was a´ superb coach`have to sayi have still not seen any sign of it. Nothing innovative ,no surprises and a defence that has conceded 2 goals in each of its last 4 games, to me the bloke has shown nothing tto warrant his surprise appointment >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 28, 2014, 10:32:38 PM
13th in the Premier League suggest he's doing a good job so far. Disappointed with the cup exit but aren't we every year. There's still the FA Cup to go for in January.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on October 28, 2014, 10:50:58 PM
Had a few replies to my first post so will answer all in one post. I'm not excusing losing, it was rubbish, and after the game I felt it justified why I jacked in my season ticket at the end of last season to focus on other sporting interests.

People do however have to remember that if you play an entirely second string side, then it is akin to a pre season friendly as your side has no rhythm, no consistency and no experience of playing together. If you look at the history of the cups in recent years, particularly the league cup, then lots and lots of teams will get knocked out. Today is a good example where the best team in England, playing a strong side, struggled to beat a league 2 team (Chelsea beating Shrewsbiry with a goal in the final 15 minutes).

It is the psychology of football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
Had a few replies to my first post so will answer all in one post. I'm not excusing losing, it was rubbish, and after the game I felt it justified why I jacked in my season ticket at the end of last season to focus on other sporting interests.

People do however have to remember that if you play an entirely second string side, then it is akin to a pre season friendly as your side has no rhythm, no consistency and no experience of playing together. If you look at the history of the cups in recent years, particularly the league cup, then lots and lots of teams will get knocked out. Today is a good example where the best team in England, playing a strong side, struggled to beat a league 2 team (Chelsea beating Shrewsbiry with a goal in the final 15 minutes).

It is the psychology of football.

Bournemouth made ten changes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on October 28, 2014, 11:39:06 PM
Got his excuses in early tonight our Alan, first team players a little bit
tired well use your bench better dickhead
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on October 29, 2014, 12:14:31 AM
Got his excuses in early tonight our Alan, first team players a little bit
tired well use your bench better dickhead
lol, he always has excuses and I think his interviews are very predictable, i.e. before the game "Halesowen are a great team and I think they are well organised etc", so if we lose it looks ok, but if we win then it's great.

I still think the jury is somewhat out, if we can somehow win on Saturday then you can guarentee some people will be over the moon again - and if that was the case we'd be about 10th after 10 games, which to be fair is a good return.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 29, 2014, 12:42:06 AM
"Keith Keith I have an idea"

"What's that Alan"?

" I know how we can beat Bournemouth"

"Please share Alan"

"Well as it's a favourable draw and we haven't been in a cup final for almost 50 years il change the whole team. I'm then going to play a midfield narrower are more devoid of spark than usual and ask Chris Baird to dictate  the  play in a way he never did even in his wildly mediocre days at Fulham and possibly allow Mulumbu to use his trickey and guile to carve out chances for the frontmen, now here's the really clever bit il play a younger rawer Mulumbu type player in O'Neil to do the same as the other two."

"Good idea Alan what about away at Leicester Saturday"?

"Well Keith I am going to implement the same tactics as I do every week. Play a side devoid of width, I am going to continubue to insist that Dorrans and Brunt stay narrow to make sure we retain possession. Hopefully Andre Wisdom will find a weakness in there back line or possibly Saido can get on the end of something"

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on October 29, 2014, 12:51:40 AM
lol, he always has excuses and I think his interviews are very predictable, i.e. before the game "Halesowen are a great team and I think they are well organised etc", so if we lose it looks ok, but if we win then it's great.

I still think the jury is somewhat out, if we can somehow win on Saturday then you can guarentee some people will be over the moon again - and if that was the case we'd be about 10th after 10 games, which to be fair is a good return.
didn't want him and still don't want him now. seen nothing to suggest it will be anything but a relegation battle all season and one I honestly think we will loose. I hope im wrong. the club has taken a huge gamble on his appointment which I still find baffling that we couldn't find a man with a better cv, after last seasons disaster a more experienced head coach was needed to bring a bit of stability to the team.i wish we had backed pepe mel at least it was exciting unlike watching that garbage tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 01:00:02 AM
Well another hour and I should be home. Can't say the it's only the league cup argument surprises me from the apologists. Defeat to Leicester on Saturday and I'd be looking for strong action from Peace. Irvine Out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 29, 2014, 01:07:45 AM
Well another hour and I should be home. Can't say the it's only the league cup argument surprises me from the apologists. Defeat to Leicester on Saturday and I'd be looking for strong action from Peace. Irvine Out.

He is only keeping the seat warm till Moyes runs out of mentions in the media and tires of not having a toy to play with ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 29, 2014, 01:14:12 AM
didn't want him and still don't want him now. seen nothing to suggest it will be anything but a relegation battle all season and one I honestly think we will loose. I hope im wrong. the club has taken a huge gamble on his appointment which I still find baffling that we couldn't find a man with a better cv, after last seasons disaster a more experienced head coach was needed to bring a bit of stability to the team.i wish we had backed pepe mel at least it was exciting unlike watching that garbage tonight.

Yes bad appointment and I know you can argue he needs time. He's had 9 league games and 3 in cup and nothing has given me any belief in this man or his ideas. Through away 2 points at home first game and made negative subs that back fired. Away v Southampton never looked in danger yet never tried to win it and finally bought sessengon on in 88th minute. Swansea away our lack of width and pace was totally found out. Against Everton at home same super narrow one paced midfield were toally predictable.

Spurs away huge slice of luck! Against Burnley we were fortunate to score 2 from set pieces and they had to come out and we picked them off in second half. Prior to Dawson goal we hadn't worried them. Liverpool stuck with the same narrow midfield that relies on fullback support and Berahino getting goal from nowhere.  Unlucky to lose but didn't deserve to win!

Man utd at home like our more successful away style sat back and scored 2 on counter attack. Didn't get fresh legs on and we were punished. V palace same narrow midfield, he said post game interview he knew big vic would be important so it's beggars belief he didn't start him.

As for the cup we have played the reserves 3 times, scraped past oxford with an own goal and penalty shoot out. Hull Saido magic and rare gmac volley! Tonight disaster! All 3 reserve games we played a midfield even more narrow flair less and one paced than the one he plays in league.


The man just doesn't have any idea how to break sides down. We aren't Barcelona we won't pass sides into submission and then pass it sessi to drive through and score a goal to cement his balon de or nomination. We have no width we rely on our fullbacks to create and our centre backs to do defence splitting passes.

Iv had enough of it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on October 29, 2014, 01:56:38 AM
^^

But Irvine is a "really great coach"! Unfortunately it is also clear the man has only one string on his banjo, tactically speaking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on October 29, 2014, 02:45:26 AM
He has to go out and try and win the Leicester game and not focus on preventing a defeat. Go hell for leather for an early goal then go hell for leather for a second.

A poor performance and a defeat will see any momentum dissipate and the knives will be out, after last nights rubbish he has only himself to blame  TBH.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2014, 07:50:15 AM
Bournemouth made ten changes.
Presumably Bournemouth have a smaller squad than ours so I'm guessing that their changes involved several academy players ? Any well organised club these days has a half decent academy.
If we had played 6 or 7 of our academy team, at least they will have been getting regular matches unlike the Browns Blancos Bairds Davidsons Gamboas McAuleys etc.
This is a real problem at prem clubs ... how do you keep 24 players involved and fit and ready for action ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 08:30:33 AM
Well another hour and I should be home. Can't say the it's only the league cup argument surprises me from the apologists. Defeat to Leicester on Saturday and I'd be looking for strong action from Peace. Irvine Out.
It doesn't surprise me that it is the same old faces wanting blood after a defeat despite being 13th in the Premier League because all our points have been lucky and the seven teams below us are actually better than us. We also got into the final 16 of the league cup, something 12 of our Premier league rivals failed to do (and then admittedly were pants and beaten by the better side on the night)
Apologists? Supporters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 29, 2014, 08:37:11 AM
The blame cant all go to Irvine for last night. That team against a second string Championship side should have been enough to have taken us through. Hopefully last night was a one off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on October 29, 2014, 08:37:57 AM
Presumably Bournemouth have a smaller squad than ours so I'm guessing that their changes involved several academy players ? Any well organised club these days has a half decent academy.
If we had played 6 or 7 of our academy team, at least they will have been getting regular matches unlike the Browns Blancos Bairds Davidsons Gamboas McAuleys etc.
This is a real problem at prem clubs ... how do you keep 24 players involved and fit and ready for action ?

If you go on the Bournemouth FC official website & look at the profiles of some of these so-called reserve players, you'll find they all have a decent pedigree. Lee Camp, for example, played for us last season.
In my opinion, it was mainly due to the changes that AI made to the squad that caused our demise. They looked like they were, 11 players who had hardly played together. I think 10 changes was too much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2014, 08:51:13 AM
It doesn't surprise me that it is the same old faces wanting blood after a defeat despite being 13th in the Premier League because all our points have been lucky and the seven teams below us are actually better than us. We also got into the final 16 of the league cup, something 12 of our Premier league rivals failed to do (and then admittedly were pants and beaten by the better side on the night)
Apologists? Supporters.

Think its more about the fact this cup run got some kind of good feeling around the club again which was much needed and got the supporters excited, I love your positivity i really do and i agree i have been happy in the league so far but by no means do we want to start thinking that getting into the last 16 of the cup is an achievement, Its an improvement on recent years granted but again its not a solid effort from the club. I hope it works out here for Irvine i have warmed to him slightly but last night wasnt a clever move in my book, Puts heaps pressure on himself if we fail to get a result against the foxes Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on October 29, 2014, 09:16:58 AM
Irvine made mistakes last night with a total revamp of the team and the same way he has had some plaudits the last few weeks, he has to take the flak for last night.

However to be talking of sacking him, thin ice, under pressure, etc surely is a bit much? If the season finished now we would be 13th, thats all we can go, we cant predict future results, change previous ones, etc but as it stands we are the 13th best team in the country.

If Pepe Mel had lost that game last night in the same way there wouldnt be half the response, we are all rightly annoyed at not just getting knocked out but the manner of it, it was a big chance for us but i think there is an over reaction as some people just are waiting for us to lose to start the 'he isnt good enough, out his depth,etc, etc'  None of us wanted him but he is here and doing as good as a job, if not better than a lot of his predecessors.

Last night is sure to have a knock on affect and obviously will add a bit more pressure because the last month there has been a bit more goodwill to him and the players as we had something to be interested in with the cup run, I think some of the resentment towards management and players is still based on last season when a lot of players couldnt be bothered in games, last night was a throwback to those days for me but worth remembering that very few of the players who played last night will play saturday at leicester so i hope they dont get the backlash.

Every player we put out last night had International pedigree except O'Neill so you cant say we put out a bunch of muppets, yes they are going to be a bit rusty and yes they wouldnt function as well as they dont play together reguarly, but there can be no excuse for not really having a go and seeming to not care if we win or lose and for that i solely blame the players, thats nothing to do with tactics, thats professional pride and last night we had none and i am sure Irvine would of learnt a few things for future reference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 29, 2014, 09:19:47 AM
This is why I hate the Premier League, they have killed English football. Even us as supporters are now buying into the survival is everything mentality.
Well not for me, I would snap your hands off for a cup final appearance even if it meant relegation.
What are we playing for now 17th?
Irvine trotted out the same old pony about taking the cups seriously, but had no strength of conviction. Scared to try and win.
Gutted to the point I couldn't give a shat about the Leicester game right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
Of the Premier League teams that played last night, Swansea kept 6 starters from the weekend, Chelsea 3, Liverpool 2. Will be interesting to see tonights teams.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2014, 09:57:24 AM
Well another hour and I should be home. Can't say the it's only the league cup argument surprises me from the apologists. Defeat to Leicester on Saturday and I'd be looking for strong action from Peace. Irvine Out.
You could argue that we have only had 2 bad performances in the prem this season (Swansea and Everton - Palace game was half bad).......we are 13th yet you want managerial blood to be shed ? Shall we bring in Cellino as chairman ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 29, 2014, 10:01:00 AM
Skating on thin ice again now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 29, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
Of the Premier League teams that played last night, Swansea kept 6 starters from the weekend, Chelsea 3, Liverpool 2. Will be interesting to see tonights teams.
in fairness to Chelsea they played Sunday so only had 1 free day
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on October 29, 2014, 10:05:16 AM
You could argue that we have only had 2 bad performances in the prem this season (Swansea and Everton - Palace game was half bad).......we are 13th yet you want managerial blood to be shed ? Shall we bring in Cellino as chairman ?
Good post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 29, 2014, 10:16:20 AM
You could argue that we have only had 2 bad performances in the prem this season (Swansea and Everton - Palace game was half bad).......we are 13th yet you want managerial blood to be shed ? Shall we bring in Cellino as chairman ?
werent any good at Liverpool either. Teams such as Viler and Hull have gone to Anfield and not had too much trouble getting something out of the game. Converse t your argument how many good or very good performances have we put in!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 29, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Can't even talk about sacking him after that. He will not be judged on Carling Cup performances, so why would he risk his first teamers.
Premier League is everything now to everyone but the fans.
We are the only ones who care about cups, because we still dream of winning something not just existing in the fat cat league.
Have you ever sat next to an old boy in the pub and heard him say 'I remember when we finished 10th, what a year'? No, but we have all listened enviously to kick by kick tales of how we beat Everton to lift the FA cup.  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 29, 2014, 10:49:17 AM

Are people really judging him on one game in the Carling cup or have we now ventured in to Satire?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
Yes bad appointment and I know you can argue he needs time. He's had 9 league games and 3 in cup and nothing has given me any belief in this man or his ideas. Through away 2 points at home first game and made negative subs that back fired. Away v Southampton never looked in danger yet never tried to win it and finally bought sessengon on in 88th minute. Swansea away our lack of width and pace was totally found out. Against Everton at home same super narrow one paced midfield were toally predictable.

Spurs away huge slice of luck! Against Burnley we were fortunate to score 2 from set pieces and they had to come out and we picked them off in second half. Prior to Dawson goal we hadn't worried them. Liverpool stuck with the same narrow midfield that relies on fullback support and Berahino getting goal from nowhere.  Unlucky to lose but didn't deserve to win!

Man utd at home like our more successful away style sat back and scored 2 on counter attack. Didn't get fresh legs on and we were punished. V palace same narrow midfield, he said post game interview he knew big vic would be important so it's beggars belief he didn't start him.

As for the cup we have played the reserves 3 times, scraped past oxford with an own goal and penalty shoot out. Hull Saido magic and rare gmac volley! Tonight disaster! All 3 reserve games we played a midfield even more narrow flair less and one paced than the one he plays in league.


The man just doesn't have any idea how to break sides down. We aren't Barcelona we won't pass sides into submission and then pass it sessi to drive through and score a goal to cement his balon de or nomination. We have no width we rely on our fullbacks to create and our centre backs to do defence splitting passes.

Iv had enough of it

What was lucky about the Spurs win? They hardly had any chances and we were the better team. Give credit when credit is due. You just seem to be looking for the negatives because you don't like Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 11:01:04 AM
Are people really judging him on one game in the Carling cup or have we now ventured in to Satire?

Fans were eating humble pie two games ago now he's on thin ice again apparently. I would understand it if we were in the relegation zone but we're 13th in the league and a win against Leicester would take us into the top half.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 11:06:52 AM
Sugar coat it however you like we have only played well once this season. Tottenham away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
werent any good at Liverpool either. Teams such as Viler and Hull have gone to Anfield and not had too much trouble getting something out of the game. Converse t your argument how many good or very good performances have we put in!!

Top teams will drop points against teams in the bottom half of the table every season, doesn't mean we should expect something at Anfield, a game which we played well in and deserved a draw in my opinion (some disagree fair enough). I'd say we played well against Sunderland but obviously didn't win so some will be disappointed. We played well against Southampton who are currently second in the league, Ideye had two great chances to score for us. I thought we played well against Hull in the cup and deserved to go through. Played very well against Spurs and deserved the three points, the same against Burnley who had three clean sheets in row before playing us. We performed very well against a United team in a bit of form. We did well in the second half against Palace after a poor first half.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on October 29, 2014, 11:10:50 AM
I was waiting for the Irvine Out topics to hit this forum again

Here we go again  :o

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 29, 2014, 11:14:56 AM
What was lucky about the Spurs win? They hardly had any chances and we were the better team. Give credit when credit is due. You just seem to be looking for the negatives because you don't like Irvine.

It does seem that many of 'our' fans have their own agenda sometimes doesn't it?

The "I told you so" pie is such a sweeter taste then the humble one & they just cant wait to take the first bite, nobody will convince me that certain posters on here genuinely want AI (& by association West Brom) to fail.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
I was waiting for the Irvine Out topics to hit this forum again

Here we go again  :o



Wait till Saturday night if we lose against Leicester  :o.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 29, 2014, 11:17:54 AM
Top teams will drop points against teams in the bottom half of the table every season, doesn't mean we should expect something at Anfield, a game which we played well in and deserved a draw in my opinion (some disagree fair enough). I'd say we played well against Sunderland but obviously didn't win so some will be disappointed. We played well against Southampton who are currently second in the league, Ideye had two great chances to score for us. I thought we played well against Hull in the cup and deserved to go through. Played very well against Spurs and deserved the three points, the same against Burnley who had three clean sheets in row before playing us. We performed very well against a United team in a bit of form. We did well in the second half against Palace after a poor first half.

Must admit I prefer your sugar coated version  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 11:18:08 AM
Bit of context to the starting 11 that he picked last night:

Full international appearances: 235
Representative appearances : 45
Premier league appearances : 668

Players should have done better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on October 29, 2014, 11:21:26 AM
Personally i would say we have played quite well against Spurs, Burnley, Man United and Palace 2nd half.

We were okay against Sunderland and Liverpool,  professional against Southampton, rubbish against Swansea, Everton and first half Palace.

I said it previous with the exception of the latter 3 above i have enjoyed our games this season for the first time in two years. We are nothing like i thought we would be under Irvine, i thought there would be a lot of 0-0 or 1-0 either way games, instead we concede loads and score loads, much rather have it that way too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 29, 2014, 11:21:39 AM
Sugar coat it however you like we have only played well once this season. Tottenham away.

That is absolute nonsense. 

Surely on the wind up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 11:23:37 AM
Must admit I prefer your sugar coated version  ;)

Just adding some much needed balance to the argument.  8)

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-devastated-for-albion-fans-2047616.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-devastated-for-albion-fans-2047616.aspx)

Head coach has no regrets over personnel changes

ALAN Irvine admitted he was 'devastated' for the 2176 Albion fans who watched his side exit the Capital One Cup at Bournemouth.

The Baggies head coach made 10 changes to his side - as did Cherries counterpart Eddie Howe - but felt some players did not do enough to impress in the 2-1 defeat.

Irvine believes the game on the south coast was an ideal platform for some players to stake a place for Saturday's Barclays Premier League game at Leicester.

But not enough performed to the level expected of them.

"I was disappointed by the performances of some players," said Irvine.

"We did enough to get back into the game but we needed to do more to win the game.

"I'm absolutely devastated for the fans who travelled in great numbers. They deserved better than that.

"It was really poor on our part."

Asked whether he would understand the fans' frustrations about the selection, Irvine admitted that some of his Premier League regulars had told him they feeling the strain.

He added: "Some of the lads have indicated to me that they were feeling the effects...having gone Monday to Saturday, to then go Tuesday to Saturday was a risk when you've got very professional Premier League players telling you that they are feeling the effects.

"It would be foolish not to take notice."

He continued: "I have to look after the players who have played a lot. And I also have go to give players who were desperate to play a platform to impress.

"Some of the players did, but not enough of them.

"I don't regret the 10 changes."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
Aww the poor babies give them a flask warm blanket and get downing to read them a bedtime story so they can get some rest poor little tinkers, Makes you laugh really dont it different world almost would be running round for my club with one leg and one arm to try and help them get into the quarters of the cup.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 29, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-devastated-for-albion-fans-2047616.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-devastated-for-albion-fans-2047616.aspx)

Head coach has no regrets over personnel changes

ALAN Irvine admitted he was 'devastated' for the 2176 Albion fans who watched his side exit the Capital One Cup at Bournemouth.

The Baggies head coach made 10 changes to his side - as did Cherries counterpart Eddie Howe - but felt some players did not do enough to impress in the 2-1 defeat.

Irvine believes the game on the south coast was an ideal platform for some players to stake a place for Saturday's Barclays Premier League game at Leicester.

But not enough performed to the level expected of them.

"I was disappointed by the performances of some players," said Irvine.

"We did enough to get back into the game but we needed to do more to win the game.

"I'm absolutely devastated for the fans who travelled in great numbers. They deserved better than that.

"It was really poor on our part."

Asked whether he would understand the fans' frustrations about the selection, Irvine admitted that some of his Premier League regulars had told him they feeling the strain.

He added: "Some of the lads have indicated to me that they were feeling the effects...having gone Monday to Saturday, to then go Tuesday to Saturday was a risk when you've got very professional Premier League players telling you that they are feeling the effects.

"It would be foolish not to take notice."

He continued: "I have to look after the players who have played a lot. And I also have go to give players who were desperate to play a platform to impress.

"Some of the players did, but not enough of them.

"I don't regret the 10 changes."

Oh oh Alan, talk about loading the gun  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 29, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
I was waiting for the Irvine Out topics to hit this forum again

Here we go again  :o
People have their agendas and revel in it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Aww the poor babies give them a flask warm blanket and get downing to read them a bedtime story so they can get some rest poor little tinkers, Makes you laugh really dont it different world almost would be running round for my club with one leg and one arm to try and help them get into the quarters of the cup.

I'd drop you in that condition  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on October 29, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
Has not played our best player(not at the moment admittedly) in the right position, he brought mulumbu in ton play behind the striker v united, was never going to work and then wideish last night in a diamond. I don't get it.

I'm going to be pragmatic about the team selection last night and although on paper the team should have been good enough to win we had Gamboa, Davidson,O'neil(to an extent), Blanco and Ideye all trying to get used to the English game and none of them have really had the game time yet plus Mcauley was on his unatural side of defence and Mulumbu being asked to play a role he clearly will not be comfortable with. I'm more trying to stick up for the players than AI
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2014, 11:38:17 AM
I'd drop you in that condition  ;)

 :D You would need to mate i wouldnt be telling the gaffer jack i would be to proud.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 29, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
Aww the poor babies give them a flask warm blanket and get downing to read them a bedtime story so they can get some rest poor little tinkers, Makes you laugh really dont it different world almost would be running round for my club with one leg and one arm to try and help them get into the quarters of the cup.

When you have non league players playing games twice a week, training twice a week and having a full time job on top of it makes a mockery of the tiredness and feeling effects excuses, they don't get rest days to recover.

Modern day footballers !!!  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 29, 2014, 11:39:59 AM
1st, the best reserve team won on the day by a country mile & best of luck in the next round.

Gutted that we are out of the cup but we were lucky to beat Hull when AI used the same tactics so im not surprised

A blind,deaf & dumb Dingle could gather that there midfield were killing us so what is AI 1st substitution, take off a striker & put on another.

Mulumbu (a top performer for us in the past) was a mile off the pace of the game, he gave away the ball constantly & looked liked he hadn't a care in the world, played a full game. :o

AI. You have a right to expect/believe that the team you fielded would at least put up a good performance but when they let you down you need to show them & the fans that you know how to put it right & thats were YOU let us down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
:D You would need to mate i wouldnt be telling the gaffer jack i would be to proud.

This brings us back to the point about the change in the game and the difference between professional athletes and fans.

Your playing with one arm and leg would no doubt impact upon the performance of the team and in the long run would potentially cause more long term damage to yourself and the team.

Gabby Logan on TTIAO told her story about her dad catching trains and playing with pain killing injections when comparing him to modern players and followed it up with he now can't walk properly. Different era, different world.

(I would also have played through the pain barrier to represent West Brom but doesn't make it right!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
1st, the best reserve team won on the day by a country mile & best of luck in the next round.

Gutted that we are out of the cup but we were lucky to beat Hull when AI used the same tactics so im not surprised

A blind,deaf & dumb Dingle could gather that there midfield were killing us so what is AI 1st substitution, take off a striker & put on another.

Mulumbu (a top performer for us in the past) was a mile off the pace of the game, he gave away the ball constantly & looked liked he hadn't a care in the world, played a full game. :o

AI. You have a right to expect/believe that the team you fielded would at least put up a good performance but when they let you down you need to show them & the fans that you know how to put it right & thats were YOU let us down.

Whilst I will not go hysterical about the team selection I do agree that, personally, I would have made different substitutions to those that AI made but then I also don't have the information available to me that he has. I would have been looking to bring Gardner on for Mulumbu or Baird.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 29, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
AI. You have a right to expect/believe that the team you fielded would at least put up a good performance but when they let you down you need to show them & the fans that you know how to put it right & thats were YOU let us down.

That is the most accurate assessment on here IMO.

AI let down by the players

fans let down by AI, but it could (and should) have been very different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 01:02:53 PM
That is absolute nonsense. 

Surely on the wind up.

Keep burying your head in the sand mate. We played okay against Burnley and in spells against Sunderland. The rest has been negative and insipid. Narrow uninspiring containment football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 01:08:03 PM
It does seem that many of 'our' fans have their own agenda sometimes doesn't it?

The "I told you so" pie is such a sweeter taste then the humble one & they just cant wait to take the first bite, nobody will convince me that certain posters on here genuinely want AI (& by association West Brom) to fail.

I want to know how the 'I refuse to see what's happening in front of my eyes as it makes me seem reasonable' pie is tasting for you?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 29, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
I want to know how the 'I refuse to see what's happening in front of my eyes as it makes me seem reasonable' pie is tasting for you?

Thats madness, there is no such pie & you know it.  :-*

Seems to me you're having a struggle with your conscience, its a battle of your love for Albion against your extreme dislike of Alan Irvine, sometimes in life you just have to hold your hand up & admit you may have got it wrong, which may (or may not) also be the case with your old mate Graham Dorrans. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 29, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
Whilst I will not go hysterical about the team selection I do agree that, personally, I would have made different substitutions to those that AI made but then I also don't have the information available to me that he has. I would have been looking to bring Gardner on for Mulumbu or Baird.


What info would that be?.
Gardener on for Mulumbu & Dorrans on for O'neill at half time for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 01:30:13 PM

What info would that be?.
Gardener on for Mulumbu & Dorrans on for O'neill at half time for me.

Dorrans wasn't in the squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 29, 2014, 01:32:57 PM

What info would that be?.
Gardener on for Mulumbu & Dorrans on for O'neill at half time for me.

That may have been a tough call, he was probably a couple hundred miles away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 29, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Dorrans would probably have made the difference last night in place of Baird or O'Neill, he's been one of our best players this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2014, 01:35:47 PM

What info would that be?.
Gardener on for Mulumbu & Dorrans on for O'neill at half time for me.
Who was in the squad  :D (although most of us had that information)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 29, 2014, 01:41:54 PM
Dorrans wasn't in the squad.

DRAT  :o Who's fault that mine for not checking the team sheet or AI for not having him on it. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2014, 01:53:46 PM
I felt sorry for Irvine last night to be honest.

Those players let him down - of that there is no doubt. Every single one of them players is much better than they performed last night. The problem was Irvine created a rod for his own back with such an appalling team selection by starting a game which included three defensive midfielders who could offer no protection to an appalling back four and could not retain the ball to give Blanco, Ideye or Anichebe any service.

The baffling thing for me though in a game which was crying out for somebody like Craig Gardner or Chris Brunt we persisted with the same uninspiring, pathetic, flat, uninterested midfled and then brought Samaras on and shoved him so many different positions the poor lad didn't know whether he was coming or going. At one point we had a four man midfield that included Blanco, Mulumbu, Baird and O'Neill. A staggeringly poor midfield for an apparent Premier League side.

Irvine has now put the pressure on himself for Saturday - after last nights surrender with a weakened team and the first teamers rested, I will be expecting a bloody result on Saturday. If we lose, then they can all **** off for all I care.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on October 29, 2014, 02:21:42 PM
I felt sorry for Irvine last night to be honest.

Those players let him down - of that there is no doubt. Every single one of them players is much better than they performed last night
. The problem was Irvine created a rod for his own back with such an appalling team selection by starting a game which included three defensive midfielders who could offer no protection to an appalling back four and could not retain the ball to give Blanco, Ideye or Anichebe any service.

The baffling thing for me though in a game which was crying out for somebody like Craig Gardner or Chris Brunt we persisted with the same uninspiring, pathetic, flat, uninterested midfled and then brought Samaras on and shoved him so many different positions the poor lad didn't know whether he was coming or going. At one point we had a four man midfield that included Blanco, Mulumbu, Baird and O'Neill. A staggeringly poor midfield for an apparent Premier League side.

Irvine has now put the pressure on himself for Saturday - after last nights surrender with a weakened team and the first teamers rested, I will be expecting a bloody result on Saturday. If we lose, then they can all **** off for all I care.

Whilst I agree with this, he also defeated himself by setting up with the same tactics of the first half against Palace on Saturday. It was basically the same although Anichebe replaced Sess and the balls to Ideye were more aerial/brute force than the technical ability of Sessegnon.

This meant we had set up very poorly, and it was Irvine's fault. I personally think the issue is in the midfield, with too many square passers and not enough pace/forward attacking midfielders.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on October 29, 2014, 02:32:50 PM
Dorrans would probably have made the difference last night in place of Baird or O'Neill, he's been one of our best players this season.

If Dorrans plays in the Leicester game the only way he will find a West Brom player is if we quickly sell him to Leicester, he is rubbish, hard working...yes....passing the ball hopeless should never play for baggies again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on October 29, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
If Dorrans plays in the Leicester game the only way he will find a West Brom player is if we quickly sell him to Leicester, he is rubbish, hard working...yes....passing the ball hopeless should never play for baggies again.

He'd have made a world of difference in place of any of the idiots picked in midfield last night. The only way he shouldn't start on Saturday is if Irvine goes for a Wisdom/Gamboa right-side, but we all know he wont so Dorrans starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 29, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
If Dorrans plays in the Leicester game the only way he will find a West Brom player is if we quickly sell him to Leicester, he is rubbish, hard working...yes....passing the ball hopeless should never play for baggies again.
Totally unjustified, he is a great player and fully deserves his place, and will be back for the next game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 29, 2014, 03:37:56 PM
If I was a first teamer who didn't say I was to tired I would be straight out in the press to clear my name but that's just me right or wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on October 29, 2014, 04:53:00 PM
So... Saturday, back to what he obviously considers our first XI... flat "table football" 2 banks of 4 like Hodgson, shouldn't lose too many... but this should be pencilled in as potentially one of the 12 wins we need, with all due respect to Leicester, so lets hope the rest did them good.


And it's a funny old game, with 5 mins left against United he must have felt pretty good... now he's right back to... maybe square 2, if not square 1.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on October 29, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
Dorrans is the best central midfield player on our books but he is consistently played out of position to fit in Morrison who in my mind should not be in the side,
Get him back in the middle and lets see the player we were raving about not that many matches ago.
i keep saying it but the midfield is far to lightweight with him and Brunt in there.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2014, 06:40:23 PM
Dorrans is the best central midfield player on our books but he is consistently played out of position to fit in Morrison who in my mind should not be in the side,
Get him back in the middle and lets see the player we were raving about not that many matches ago.
i keep saying it but the midfield is far to lightweight with him and Brunt in there.

That's cheered me up mate. Amazing how numerous Albion and Scotland managers prefer Morrison. Dorrans isn't in the middle because he's not good enough. He's playing wide right if you can call it that to babysit Wisdom. Narrow 442 is what we were told we'd get and it's what we're getting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on October 29, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
Several England managers preferred Gerrard and Lampard together but that didnt make them right did it??

Personally I prefer Dorrans over Morrison aswell as a player. Football is all about opinions though
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on October 29, 2014, 08:56:06 PM
Bournemouth made ten changes.

I know Jacko - that still doesn't disprove the argument I made. 2 reserve teams facing off - anything can happen when that happens. 2 first teams may have been different, although I refer again to the psychology of football and the phenomenon of confidence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 29, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
Totally unjustified, he is a great player and fully deserves his place, and will be back for the next game

Both wrong!! he isnt great but he isnt the worst and has always has done his best by the club(as has Morrison)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on October 30, 2014, 03:34:33 AM
Confidence is everything when it comes to Sport.....it will need a four game winning streak for anything like confidence to overtake us and stop us from desperately trying not to lose rather then desperately trying to win.

Until that happens the club and all of us will be constantly haunted by the ghost of failure week in, week out. AI seems doomed to act out a self fulfilling prophecy..playing  out a role that was determined the day he took the job.

We are precisely where we have set ourselves up to be, hovering around the bottom three trap door. It isn't going to change and we will need some luck to avoid the drop.

We have aimed for Bronze and thats exactly what we have got, unless we aim for gold it will never get better.

And gold at the moment is purely a matter of setting ourselves up to win, rather then setting ourselves up not to lose.

Leicester is massive, regardless of what anyone says....




Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 30, 2014, 03:51:54 AM
Leicester, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal.... the next 4 games. If we don't pick up more than 3 points AI will be gone by end of  November.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on October 30, 2014, 07:56:29 AM
I thought we had turned the corner after the Burnley game, last week we got lucky.Pressure is on again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on October 30, 2014, 09:17:53 AM
I thought we had turned the corner after the Burnley game, last week we got lucky.Pressure is on again
It's never been off mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on October 30, 2014, 10:11:41 AM
Leicester, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal.... the next 4 games. If we don't pick up more than 3 points AI will be gone by end of  November.

I don't think it will be that early - I'd say the December fixtures will be the key, we need 6 wins by the New Year or Jezza's trigger finger will be getting twitchy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 30, 2014, 10:43:01 AM
I don't think it will be that early - I'd say the December fixtures will be the key, we need 6 wins by the New Year or Jezza's trigger finger will be getting twitchy
That's 6 wins from 10 games, 5 of which are away and include Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City! Can't see it.
Think we will do well if we have over 20 points come January 1st.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on October 30, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
I meant 6 wins in total, so 4 more by the New Year seems a reasonable target
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on October 30, 2014, 02:12:09 PM
Think some people need to take a more balanced view. To many we are either 'flying' or 'in crisis' from 1 week to the next. 'If' we lose on Saturday we might be in a bit of trouble, but 'if' we win then we will be top 10. Either way everything will either be all ok again or everything will be lost (apart from the section of people who will only ever view anything Albion related through the most negative of viewpoints). We are 13th in the league which although boring would be a perfectly acceptable place for us to end the season, and with how we have started the season is around where I would expect us to finish.

Re the Bournemouth game, I'm happy with the team he played to an extent. In recent years if we had fielded a second string 11 and lost I would of been fuming but there's not a huge difference now between our 1st and 2nd 11. However with our recent form and some good performances AI has stuck by the same 11 for the past 5 weeks meaning none of these players bar Dawson have played any sort of competitive football for over a month. AI also seems reluctant to make to many subs and if he does it's normally 1 or 2 in the last 10 mins so it's not like they are even getting the odd 30 mins here or there. So whilst I agree it was the right team to pick (if they don't play at Bournemouth then where do these players play?) and the performances given by the players were disappointing it's also unfair to expect 10 players who haven't played 1st team football for a month to come in and hit the ground running, even more so as with many of them new signings they have not played together as a team before (Hull aside)

As others have said to my mind there's definitely people on here who willingly want AI to fail no matter how much they will deny it. Comment such as the one on Dorrans above are plain embarrassing. Were all entitled to opinions blah blah blah but saying he should never play for us again is pathetic and shows nothing but an agenda.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 30, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Think some people need to take a more balanced view. To many we are either 'flying' or 'in crisis' from 1 week to the next. 'If' we lose on Saturday we might be in a bit of trouble, but 'if' we win then we will be top 10. Either way everything will either be all ok again or everything will be lost (apart from the section of people who will only ever view anything Albion related through the most negative of viewpoints). We are 13th in the league which although boring would be a perfectly acceptable place for us to end the season, and with how we have started the season is around where I would expect us to finish.

Re the Bournemouth game, I'm happy with the team he played to an extent. In recent years if we had fielded a second string 11 and lost I would of been fuming but there's not a huge difference now between our 1st and 2nd 11. However with our recent form and some good performances AI has stuck by the same 11 for the past 5 weeks meaning none of these players bar Dawson have played any sort of competitive football for over a month. AI also seems reluctant to make to many subs and if he does it's normally 1 or 2 in the last 10 mins so it's not like they are even getting the odd 30 mins here or there. So whilst I agree it was the right team to pick (if they don't play at Bournemouth then where do these players play?) and the performances given by the players were disappointing it's also unfair to expect 10 players who haven't played 1st team football for a month to come in and hit the ground running, even more so as with many of them new signings they have not played together as a team before (Hull aside)

As others have said to my mind there's definitely people on here who willingly want AI to fail no matter how much they will deny it. Comment such as the one on Dorrans above are plain embarrassing. Were all entitled to opinions blah blah blah but saying he should never play for us again is pathetic and shows nothing but an agenda.
If it's unfair to expect 10 players to hit the ground running why pick them?
Tuesday was wrong on so many levels, not only did it kill any momentum we built up from Saturday's comeback, it will have damaged the confidence of some of the fringe players and for what? We are out of the cup and learnt absolutely nothing about our squad.
You are right though, the reason they are not up to speed is in part down to the consistency of the 1st 11, but also down to AI's reluctance to use them from the bench.
He has to take responsibility on both of the above counts.
No-one on here wants him to fail, they just vent their frustrations and anger a bit. Better on an internet forum than the terraces.
Personally, I think he has shown enough on and off the field to at least merit a fair crack of the whip, but he has to be bold and go out to win games. We have proved that we are capable he just needs to instil the confidence in the players and not just the starting 11.
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Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on October 30, 2014, 04:18:12 PM
This season has to be about building some better first team foundations surely. All the previous good work crumbled last year so at the beginning of the season I would've taken the team looking more solid and us unearthing on or two exciting players whilst staying up - to me this could be happening.....although there's a long way to go yet.

Irvine will stand or fall on our home form in my view. If he gets a better balance between being solid (worked against Spurs and Man Utd) vs a slightly different (more open) approach to open up the Palaces or Sunderlands of the World then things could work out well.......?

This was basically Clarke's downfall - it seems we started home games to keep them tight then changed things too late in games. Megson used to bang on about the first 20mins being vital........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Costakiblue on October 30, 2014, 04:20:45 PM
Think some people need to take a more balanced view. To many we are either 'flying' or 'in crisis' from 1 week to the next.

Best comment I've read this week!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on October 30, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
If it's unfair to expect 10 players to hit the ground running why pick them?
Tuesday was wrong on so many levels, not only did it kill any momentum we built up from Saturday's comeback, it will have damaged the confidence of some of the fringe players and for what? We are out of the cup and learnt absolutely nothing about our squad.
You are right though, the reason they are not up to speed is in part down to the consistency of the 1st 11, but also down to AI's reluctance to use them from the bench.
He has to take responsibility on both of the above counts.
No-one on here wants him to fail, they just vent their frustrations and anger a bit. Better on an internet forum than the terraces.
Personally, I think he has shown enough on and off the field to at least merit a fair crack of the whip, but he has to be bold and go out to win games. We have proved that we are capable he just needs to instil the confidence in the players and not just the starting 11.
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If he played the same starting 11 against Bournemouth and Leicester that have been playing recently he would of been slated if we had lost to Leicester even if we had beat Bournemouth. He had to make the changes he made in my opinion for a few different reasons. The squad could of had more of a run out in previous games but I think circumstances and performances have dictated the teams we had put out and restricted the amount of game time for people not in the 11. Not everyone will agree but I think if you look on the pre match threads for the last 4/5 games the majority would of picked the same or at least very similar sides over the last month.

We don't need to apportion blame to someone every single time we lose a game. In our position we will lose more than we win and rushing on here to stick the boot in to that weeks latest scapegoat is tiresome and pointless. It's not necessarily someone's fault every time we lose. Unfortunately many have pre determined thoughts on who is to blame from the main offenders in Peace and Irvine to favourites such as Brunt with other like Morrison, Dorrans, Anichebe all coming in for over the top criticism in my opinion. Lose on Saturday and I can guarantee different posts will be blaming Peace, AI, Mcdonough, Clarke and 2/3 of the usual individual players plus whoever had a poor game that day (who will then be described as being poor for months/not good enough/over rated despite being perfectly fine to that point)

I still disagree people don't actively not want Irvine to fail. Despite what you might think about him as a manager (and I'm not a massive fan) he seems like a decent guy and deserves a chance at least, and from a large amount of fans he hasn't even been given that. Lets not forget there was talk of mass boycotts and a protest march before he even took charge of a game whilst others on here have said they wouldn't be renewing season tickets based on his appointment. We were booed off in his second home game of the season, and our chant for him is 'alan ******* irvine' (now sung ironically apparently).

None of the above means he will work out to be a success, but doesn't mean he is a failure already. Instead of swinging between contrasting emotions as a group of fans each match just judge him on our overall performance which has been fine. Nothing more and nothing less. 13th in the league & league cup 4th round, 1 or 2 very good performances, 1 or 2 very poor performances and the rest varying between ok and decent. It's a typical result in a typical season for a typical club of our size so why the extreme reactions either way to each result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 30, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
Football is about extreme emotions though. Look at the Cardiff game last year, how many emotions did you go through in those last few minutes?
Just because people celebrate the highs and bemoan the lows do not make them any less worthy.
We missed a tremendous chance on Tuesday and that is unforgivable for us fans because we are the only ones who would rather win a cup than simply survive.
I fully appreciate why Irvine did it because he will ultimately be judged on our position at the end of the season, but that doesn't make it right.
Same goes for Peace, the Premiership is where the money is so he works to keep us there.
Not apportioning blame but it is sad that their priorities are so far detached from ours.
I have supported this fine club for 40 years and my chances of seeing us actually win something diminish every year, that's why Tuesday's performance hurts so much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on October 31, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
If he played the same starting 11 against Bournemouth and Leicester that have been playing recently he would of been slated if we had lost to Leicester even if we had beat Bournemouth. He had to make the changes he made in my opinion for a few different reasons. The squad could of had more of a run out in previous games but I think circumstances and performances have dictated the teams we had put out and restricted the amount of game time for people not in the 11. Not everyone will agree but I think if you look on the pre match threads for the last 4/5 games the majority would of picked the same or at least very similar sides over the last month.

We don't need to apportion blame to someone every single time we lose a game. In our position we will lose more than we win and rushing on here to stick the boot in to that weeks latest scapegoat is tiresome and pointless. It's not necessarily someone's fault every time we lose. Unfortunately many have pre determined thoughts on who is to blame from the main offenders in Peace and Irvine to favourites such as Brunt with other like Morrison, Dorrans, Anichebe all coming in for over the top criticism in my opinion. Lose on Saturday and I can guarantee different posts will be blaming Peace, AI, Mcdonough, Clarke and 2/3 of the usual individual players plus whoever had a poor game that day (who will then be described as being poor for months/not good enough/over rated despite being perfectly fine to that point)

I still disagree people don't actively not want Irvine to fail. Despite what you might think about him as a manager (and I'm not a massive fan) he seems like a decent guy and deserves a chance at least, and from a large amount of fans he hasn't even been given that. Lets not forget there was talk of mass boycotts and a protest march before he even took charge of a game whilst others on here have said they wouldn't be renewing season tickets based on his appointment. We were booed off in his second home game of the season, and our chant for him is 'alan ******* irvine' (now sung ironically apparently).

None of the above means he will work out to be a success, but doesn't mean he is a failure already. Instead of swinging between contrasting emotions as a group of fans each match just judge him on our overall performance which has been fine. Nothing more and nothing less. 13th in the league & league cup 4th round, 1 or 2 very good performances, 1 or 2 very poor performances and the rest varying between ok and decent. It's a typical result in a typical season for a typical club of our size so why the extreme reactions either way to each result.

Bang on. On here sometimes it seems if we win then the place is pure ecstasy, then if we lose 3 days later the knives start to come out again. For our investment/'size' 13th is an ok position to be in right now. I can fully understand the anger about the cup loss but the bigger picture is that so far, Irvine has done just ok.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on October 31, 2014, 12:52:25 AM
Irvines made his bed when he made all those changes for cup, Leicester is the game he prioritized so nothing less than three points are required so no more excuses Alan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on October 31, 2014, 03:14:59 AM
Alan Irvine isn't going anywhere...except to a Timex shop for a new battery.
 
Although it would be great for us to do a "Southampton" or a "West Ham" we are where we are and thats precisely where we probably should be for a Club of our ambition and status. Its the Premier League, its changed and with regard to football status its everything and for a club of our size to survive there for so long is actually a resounding success.

I know its boring but i think as it stands we would all snatch someones hand off for a guaranteed 15th place  this season...........its just the nightmare switchback ride to get there that kills us, yet makes it all worth while in a perverse sort of way.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BRIAN on October 31, 2014, 07:47:54 AM
It is obvious we miss a competition like the Central League. In the 60s we had plenty of young players progressing every season, now there is nowhere for the second string to perform.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on October 31, 2014, 08:25:44 AM
Think some people need to take a more balanced view. To many we are either 'flying' or 'in crisis' from 1 week to the next. 'If' we lose on Saturday we might be in a bit of trouble, but 'if' we win then we will be top 10. Either way everything will either be all ok again or everything will be lost (apart from the section of people who will only ever view anything Albion related through the most negative of viewpoints). We are 13th in the league which although boring would be a perfectly acceptable place for us to end the season, and with how we have started the season is around where I would expect us to finish.

Re the Bournemouth game, I'm happy with the team he played to an extent. In recent years if we had fielded a second string 11 and lost I would of been fuming but there's not a huge difference now between our 1st and 2nd 11. However with our recent form and some good performances AI has stuck by the same 11 for the past 5 weeks meaning none of these players bar Dawson have played any sort of competitive football for over a month. AI also seems reluctant to make to many subs and if he does it's normally 1 or 2 in the last 10 mins so it's not like they are even getting the odd 30 mins here or there. So whilst I agree it was the right team to pick (if they don't play at Bournemouth then where do these players play?) and the performances given by the players were disappointing it's also unfair to expect 10 players who haven't played 1st team football for a month to come in and hit the ground running, even more so as with many of them new signings they have not played together as a team before (Hull aside)

As others have said to my mind there's definitely people on here who willingly want AI to fail no matter how much they will deny it. Comment such as the one on Dorrans above are plain embarrassing. Were all entitled to opinions blah blah blah but saying he should never play for us again is pathetic and shows nothing but an agenda.

Good post.
I think Tuesday showed that there's a good case for squad rotation, it's difficult to see how you can rely solely on domestic cup competitions to give "fringe players" a game.
IMO one of AI's major problems so far has been getting the new arrivals fit, I think he's just about there now, so we could see more of the new players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Downunder Stripes on October 31, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Well it would be nice to see them, quarter of the season gone, and how much have we seen of them? One has to wonder why we bought / loaned them ,.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 31, 2014, 10:50:26 AM
Good post.
I think Tuesday showed that there's a good case for squad rotation, it's difficult to see how you can rely solely on domestic cup competitions to give "fringe players" a game.
IMO one of AI's major problems so far has been getting the new arrivals fit, I think he's just about there now, so we could see more of the new players.
This is why it would have been better to integrate 2 or 3 into the current 1st 11 on Tuesday rather than changing everything. It would have given us more of an insight into how they fit the current formation and personnel, plus a better chance of actually winning the game.
By changing everything we learned nothing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: edrob on October 31, 2014, 06:03:30 PM
Will be amazing if he's still here this time next season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on October 31, 2014, 07:47:53 PM
you mean amazed  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 01, 2014, 06:15:18 PM
Well 13 points from his first 10 games is perfectly respectable, good actually.

Some reservations as there would be over any coach really but we look a difficult team to beat and well organised. Something we've struggled with since the early Clarke months really. The league cup was obviously disappointing, but every coach since Mowbray could be accused of not taking them seriously enough, so its hardly specific to him.

We look a lot like we did under Hodgson really. Hodgson had his moments like the 5-1 vs Wolves, and there were some other excellent games in their too but there were plenty of games like today under Hodgson as well - crucially under him, there was never really much danger of relegation and you could sense it. Hopefully Irvine will bring that same comfortable feeling after the disaster of last year.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 01, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
Credit to Alan Irvine today and to the start that he has made, today wasn't pretty but we looked pretty solid, compact and organized we weren't a massive threat going forward, but four points from those too games was what I was hoping and it backs up the point against Man Utd pretty well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 01, 2014, 06:47:20 PM
Three away clean sheets out of 5 away games is very impressive and something I'm sure he will be delighted with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maximus on November 01, 2014, 07:38:31 PM
I wonder if going mainly british has helped him and the team gaining about more solidarity, As we was abit of a mess club wise before he came in, So credit where it's due for him, And 3 away clean sheets is impressive for us anyway, Reminds me of the Hodgson days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 01, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
He's not a good manager, but maybe just maybe he's a lucky one. Well done today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 01, 2014, 10:26:50 PM
Today was a good result for him but it masks so many of his faults and this will hurt us in the long run.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 01, 2014, 10:55:54 PM
He has accumulated 13 points from 10 games. There has been a massive turnover of players, small net spend and he has also accomplished this without being afforded a honeymoon period from the fans.

It's self-evident that he has done a very commendable job so far. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that you'd have to be very dubious about anyone contending otherwise, as well as their reasons for doing so, because they are clearly not based on the evidence so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on November 01, 2014, 11:53:46 PM
Today was a good result for him but it masks so many of his faults and this will hurt us in the long run.

Give me strength, really??? I think he deserves a chance now......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 02, 2014, 12:20:06 AM
Today was a good result for him but it masks so many of his faults and this will hurt us in the long run.

He seriously can't win. Talk about bias....

What exactly do we need to do for you to like him? Our reserves should have beaten Bourenmouth's. Once on the pitch you can't blame him for that. We're 10th with 13 points after 10 games. Do we need to be top 4 before some say he's doing ok?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on November 02, 2014, 12:23:27 AM
I disagree with some of his decisions and team selections, but after 10 games we're in a good position, so I really can't complain too much.

He's doing things differently to how I would do things, but I'm a nobody that has never coached a football team, and he has worked with some very good managers. I think he wins...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on November 02, 2014, 12:25:51 AM
He's doing fine, I love the 'Alan f***ing Irvine' chants too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on November 02, 2014, 12:46:08 AM
He seriously can't win. Talk about bias....

What exactly do we need to do for you to like him? Our reserves should have beaten Bourenmouth's. Once on the pitch you can't blame him for that. We're 10th with 13 points after 10 games. Do we need to be top 4 before some say he's doing ok?

We could go unbeaten, win all the trophies godsend for years to come on a shoestring budget and people would still say it was lucky or the people behind the scenes did the work or something.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 02, 2014, 01:20:16 AM
Yesterdays performance reminded me of when Everton used to win 'ugly' under Moyes. A couple of matches they won at the Hawthorns in the past decade, when I thought 'we never win matches playing like that' come to mind when Vic was there main man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on November 02, 2014, 07:06:10 AM
Are we not on exactly the same games won, drawn & lost with a goal difference of 0 at this point in the season last year?

Just thought I'd raise this as it's not really progress! Although I think he is doing a fair job.

Not sure what our spend was last season compared to this!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on November 02, 2014, 10:12:03 AM
Well I think AI's doing a great job, and as a few others have commented, it does at times feel as if we're back in the Hodgson era (which for me is very much a positive comment to make).

It just seems a shame that the views of some are so entrenched from a negative perspective, but he's clearly a hard worker, was very pleased to get the Albion job, and I would guess that unlike a number of our previous managers, hasn't got one eye on an exit strategy if / when a better opportunity were to arise.

But considering the summer upheavals, I thing it's a good start to the season to be honest.

Obviously there's a long way to go and clearly we're going to have disappointments along the way, as we did last Tuesday, but the manner in which some Albion supporters seem to press the panic button whenever we have a setback does seem over the top to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 02, 2014, 10:12:51 AM
Are we not on exactly the same games won, drawn & lost with a goal difference of 0 at this point in the season last year?

Just thought I'd raise this as it's not really progress! Although I think he is doing a fair job.

Not sure what our spend was last season compared to this!
Was one coming off the back of an eighth place finish and a relatively stable squad and the other following an almost disastrous season and a ripped apart squad? We might only be in the same place but to achieve that based on the position we were in at the end of last season is massive progress.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 02, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
Well I think AI's doing a great job, and as a few others have commented, it does at times feel as if we're back in the Hodgson era (which for me is very much a positive comment to make).


I would NOT say he is doing a 'great job' far from it at the moment, he is doing an ok job abnd doing what he is paid to do. He has also made some terrible decisions to, the number of chnage in the cup for one.

No the jury is still out, and will be for a while yet, however what I would say, is points wise he has done far better than many expected, however he has also had a massive slice of luck too, the style of play also leaves a lot to be desired.

However, if he keeps riding his luck, and keeps the points rolling on the board, and he learns from his mistakes, then at the end of season maybe he will have done what he needed to do, but a 'great job' no it is not. What Koeman is doing at Southamton is what I would call a 'great job'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 02, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
Sorry, but I don't buy this squad upheavel line. Only 5 players to make the squad yesterday were new additions and only three were in the starting line up! Hardly mass change is it. Plus the fact that we have Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans playing week in week out is shocking to be frank.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 02, 2014, 10:32:55 AM
He will be judged on results and one defeat in the last six games is a good return after no win in four. I'm still not totally convinced by Irvine yet, the subs at times or the lack of them has been a concern and the cup game too. I do feel that things are going in the right direction we have someone who can score goals and have got four clean sheets so far. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 02, 2014, 10:54:26 AM
Sorry, but I don't buy this squad upheavel line. Only 5 players to make the squad yesterday were new additions and only three were in the starting line up! Hardly mass change is it. Plus the fact that we have Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans playing week in week out is shocking to be frank.

Which player do you think should be ahead of them? All our back up players have failed to take chances when given them. Those 3 have been part of a midfield that's won 3, drawn 2, and lost 1 of our last 6 games. People are obsessed with tinkering for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 02, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
Sorry, but I don't buy this squad upheavel line. Only 5 players to make the squad yesterday were new additions and only three were in the starting line up! Hardly mass change is it. Plus the fact that we have Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans playing week in week out is shocking to be frank.
While i see what your saying i do feel the arrival of players has increased competition for places , certainly Brunt and Dorrans have upped their game this season. Bournemouth was poor from our players pushing for a Premier start but overall i think the squad is healthier for the mass arrival of players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 02, 2014, 11:07:14 AM
Sorry, but I don't buy this squad upheavel line. Only 5 players to make the squad yesterday were new additions and only three were in the starting line up! Hardly mass change is it. Plus the fact that we have Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans playing week in week out is shocking to be frank.
How many of the back four were regular starters for us last season?  The key lynch pin in the middle of the park, where was he playing? Our main striker had how many starts? You may not buy this squad upheaval but it is real. Squad upheaval isn't just about the 11(eleven) players brought in but about the structure of the squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionLifer on November 02, 2014, 11:24:46 AM
I generally like the team performances the last few games. We look organised, play as a team and are hard to break down... a lot like a Hodgson-team.

That's the positives.

What he needs to do better in my opinion is to consider rotating in some of our fringe players who are perfectly capable and keep the current players, who he seems to like to play week after week, fresh for the whole season.

I'd also like him to fight the urge to be so cautious and develop a killer instinct. We need to kill teams off and only then, sit back and invite them on but only when the game is safe. Instead, we seem to get a single goal lead and then defend the entire game to keep that lead. That doesn't work well most of the time. It worked yesterday.. but I kept expecting Leicester to score through the entire second half. Also, could have had 3 points against that porous Man Utd defence but we invited them come onto us whenever we took the lead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 02, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
We're getting back to when we were at our best in the Premier League and that's when Hodgson was here. Under Hodgson we had many performances that were similar to yesterday's match. Irvine's doing a cracking job so far and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
We're getting back to when we were at our best in the Premier League and that's when Hodgson was here. Under Hodgson we had many performances that were similar to yesterday's match. Irvine's doing a cracking job so far and long may it continue.

We were at our best during the first few months under Clarke. Then we lost some quality and morale and never recovered. I find Irvine's tactics limited and tedious tbh (as I did Hodgson's), but maybe our current crop of players aren't capable of more.

Organized and hard to beat is just the very basics I expect from any coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2014, 02:13:45 PM
We're getting back to when we were at our best in the Premier League and that's when Hodgson was here. Under Hodgson we had many performances that were similar to yesterday's match. Irvine's doing a cracking job so far and long may it continue.

It's mind numbing to be honest. The Hodgson team was never as toothless though that was mainly down to Odemwingie. Also it didn't leak goals for fun at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on November 02, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
He's not a good manager, but maybe just maybe he's a lucky one. Well done today.
Napoleon said "I have plenty of clever generals but just give me a lucky one".  Well, there are plenty of clever managers but I would happily settle for a lucky one.

I am amazed at the amount of negativity still shown on here about Alan Irvine.  I didn't want him and was totally underwhelmed by the appointment but he has made a solid, if unspectacular, start.  Sure, the football has not been brilliant and there may be questions about team selection/substitutions but the doomsayers who were crowing about "out by November" have been proved wrong.  So let's have a bit less of the doom-mongering and give him a chance.  It is a shame there are still those who would rather Irvine (and the Baggies) failed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 02, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
My real hope is that AI has set out to

firstly, achieve the initial objective of a  solid base which will keep us up, THEN
second objective of introducing some "style / class / flair".

If that proves to be the case brilliant, however, if we continue to see dour effective football I think we'll see a Big Sam / West  Ham scenario.

Thus far, good job, need to continue with this and slowly introduce some style as and when its appropriate/ practical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 02, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
I wasn't at yesterday's game so won't comment on that but a few comments here are not reflecting the fact that have played some good football this season .... it's not been all dour by any means.
There are signs that AI wants us keeping the ball better. Dawson's introduction has helped as he does pass better than any of our other centre backs. Also Gardner and Morrison are better on the ball than Yacob and Mulumbu.
It would be nice to have a fit and firing Varela playing but we can only hope that happens sometime soon.
Several games under Hodgson were tedious in the extreme based around a solid back four and Mulumbu and Scharner in centre midfield.
I think AI is currently doing a good job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggies37 on November 02, 2014, 10:04:59 PM
I wasn't at yesterday's game so won't comment on that but a few comments here are not reflecting the fact that have played some good football this season .... it's not been all dour by any means.
There are signs that AI wants us keeping the ball better. Dawson's introduction has helped as he does pass better than any of our other centre backs. Also Gardner and Morrison are better on the ball than Yacob and Mulumbu.
It would be nice to have a fit and firing Varela playing but we can only hope that happens sometime soon.
Several games under Hodgson were tedious in the extreme based around a solid back four and Mulumbu and Scharner in centre midfield.
I think AI is currently doing a good job.

I have to agree.  I thought Hodgson's tenure was a successful one.  Yet some on here seem to refer to Irvine's football as Hodgson like.  I can only find that a good thing.

We need to keep the ball well in this league.  And we are doing that for the most part.

1 defeat in 6.  3 wins and 2 draws.  I find it hard how to find fault.

Irvine abilities are tested as a coach.  When Irvine stated "he hadnt even seen Ideye play" when we shelled out 10mil,  that kinda of set the precedence.  In this day and age of football finance,  the purchase of players is left to other key areas of the West Bromwich Albion business.  Irvine's job is too mould that. The days of the traditional "manager" both in the business and footballing sense are gone.

In this respect we are forward moving at least for the time being and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 03, 2014, 05:18:40 PM
My real hope is that AI has set out to

firstly, achieve the initial objective of a  solid base which will keep us up, THEN
second objective of introducing some "style / class / flair".

If that proves to be the case brilliant, however, if we continue to see dour effective football I think we'll see a Big Sam / West  Ham scenario.

Thus far, good job, need to continue with this and slowly introduce some style as and when its appropriate/ practical.

EXACTLY!!!  :D

Some people on here are expecting the finished article with a new manager and a brand new squad.

Judge the man on 10 games - and he has done a great job. Much much better than anyone expected.

Now let's give him the rest of the season to see if he can develop the attacking spirit of the side.

We are 10th after 10 games. Some people on here need to take a reality check.

If the football's boring, why not stay at home and watch man city and chelsea on the telly.

Personally the games I have seen this season (admittedly on the telly) we've played a good level of football. We are a competitive Premiership side, I doidn't think we would be this season.

To expect anything more than being a competitive Premiership side is unrealistic.

Maybe some people would prefer us dropping down a division and watching champagne football  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 03, 2014, 05:31:16 PM
I think everyone playing in our midfield currently are able passers. You can argue they lack other attributes but they are all good footballers. We have played some good football this season that surpasses some of Hodgson's. Our home record was atrocious under Roy. No body is above criticism and no one should be denied rightful praise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on November 03, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We have the same number of points as Man Utd and are only 4 points off the top 4. Look how much Man Utd have spent over the summer. Look how much Liverpool have spent and they are only 1 point above us.

We have played the same number of games as both the above and therefore based on current form to date I am pleased with the way we have started the season and AI approach. At Leicester the fans at the end were not saying " this is rubbish " they were clapping and cheering the team off the pitch.

So far so good but still not counting my chickens. Get to 40 points then I will say good job , well done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 03, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
In some ways, although with obviously less experience, AI reminds me a little of RH, in that he has his own mind, and knows what he wants.

Bearing in mind this is one heck of a massive leap for this guy, and has really jumped into a hot bed of a job.

Seems to be handling himself ok, and maybe with some patience from some fans, could well be the next David moyes, or Alex ferguson, big ask I know but we can dream and get behind him.

At the moment we have Dawson on fire, lescott sublime, berahino setting the PL alight, Gardner playing the best of his career, the positives are there, and we fans need to get 100% behind him.

I hated his appointment, however he is learning and coping far better than. Expected, ear,y days, but far better than most expected.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on November 03, 2014, 08:23:38 PM
He is doing a good job so far, bringing a bit of stability to the team. We have more points than games played and an even goal difference. He has been the only one of our coaches to drop Jonas Ollsson and i think this has made our defence more solid. Would like him to be a little more daring.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on November 03, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
It's mind numbing to be honest. The Hodgson team was never as toothless though that was mainly down to Odemwingie. Also it didn't leak goals for fun at home.

So that was mainly down to Odemwingie and now people say this is down to Berahino. Are teams not allowed a star striker any more?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on November 03, 2014, 09:00:56 PM
So that was mainly down to Odemwingie and now people say this is down to Berahino. Are teams not allowed a star striker any more?

Good comment. I think a lot of posters on here must be in their teens and early twenties as those who have been through the early to mid 90's with Albion would be greatful that we have a manager in Irvine that although it's early days looks to bringing stability. It baffles me why people keep harping on about Pepe Mel, yes he was a likeable character, but he was rubbish, let's be honest.  It's almost as though the blinkers come on as soon as we get a foreign coach. It was only a few years ago I realised I was deluded in thinking that Ardilles would have achieved back to back promotions had he not have gone to his beloved Spurs. Get behind Irvine!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 03, 2014, 10:23:09 PM
Haven't heard Pepe Mel mentioned for ages on here (but he wasn't rubbish).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 03, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
So that was mainly down to Odemwingie and now people say this is down to Berahino. Are teams not allowed a star striker any more?

You have missed the point I was making. We're toothless with or without Berahino. As to the guy who watches from his armchair and posted people should stay at home and watch Man City... Priceless.

Then you've got fiery comparing the man to Sir Alex. Unbelievable.

Finally why do people harp on about the 90s when people complain about what we're getting now? It was about a tenner in back then. You knew what you were going to get from those Albion sides. This is our 5th consecutive year at the top table and it's going to be a huge struggle.  Mostly due to the managerial appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on November 03, 2014, 10:45:27 PM
Haven't heard Pepe Mel mentioned for ages on here (but he wasn't rubbish).

We won 3 games out of 17 under Pepe Mel, don't get me wrong I liked him and wanted him to have more time. If Irvine won 1 out of 17 with us his name would be mud. People need to get over the fact he's not had a great time with Sheffield Wednesday / Preston in the 3rd tier, at the end of the day the reality is is that he didn't have the resources he needed to succeed. A crock Neil Mellor isn't going win you anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 03, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
1, we're not toothless look at the goals scored column,
2. Armchair supporter, if you are correct, yes hilarious
3, AI wasn't compared to SAF, the poster siad he might become a Moyes / SAF if we dream
4. tenner in the 90's propably =£35 now, whats your point
5. Knew what you'd get from an Albion team, I've watched albion since the mid 70's and we have never been predictable. NEVER
6. This is our 5th consecutive year at the top table and it's going to be a huge struggle, whilst i haven't got your crystal ball, statistically(pts/game) we are on course to be safe before the dreaded run in. Who knows maybe your crystal ball is accurate only time will tell.

Overall a pretty negative post, Why you are SO negative at the moment i don't understand, 
We are in a decent position, no more no less,
Enjoy it mate, coz with the Albion you know there will a worse time not too far away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 03, 2014, 10:50:41 PM
People need to get over the fact he's not had a great time with Sheffield Wednesday / Preston in the 3rd tier, at the end of the day the reality is is that he didn't have the resources he needed to succeed. A crock Neil Mellor isn't going win you anything.

There was that article a few weeks back also where he was explaining at Sheff Wed he had no scouts, so he'd do 7am till 5 or whatever at the "office" on the pitch etc, then drive 100+ miles to a 7:45 match, to watch a guy, then drive back and get home for 11:30 or something. That was a normal day for him and only 1 facet of what he had to do. No wonder it didn't work and it is a world apart from what he needs to do with us. The voices i'm interested in are people like Joleon, who sign for us because of AI and respect for his coaching.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on November 03, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
There was that article a few weeks back also where he was explaining at Sheff Wed he had no scouts, so he'd do 7am till 5 or whatever at the "office" on the pitch etc, then drive 100+ miles to a 7:45 match, to watch a guy, then drive back and get home for 11:30 or something. That was a normal day for him and only 1 facet of what he had to do. No wonder it didn't work and it is a world apart from what he needs to do with us. The voices i'm interested in are people like Joleon, who sign for us because of AI and respect for his coaching.

Absolutely, I haven't seen the article but you can see AI doing that, the guy is a work horse. I am at this point in time pleased he has joined us. Tim Sherwood would have made us a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 03, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
Absolutely, I haven't seen the article but you can see AI doing that, the guy is a work horse. I am at this point in time pleased he has joined us. Tim Sherwood would have made us a laughing stock.

This was one of them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2798605/alan-irvine-doesn-t-know-west-brom-players-earn-s-far-cry-scouting-conducting-contract-negotiations-sheffield-wednesday.html

But there were many on a theme for that day or so, not sure this was the article i read at the time. Sheerwood is a loud mouth self promoter. If Albion had signed him we'd be a world of trouble. People like him because he's "honest", but i don't really want the public face of our team being honest about the hundred little things that go on behind closed doors.

Many shouts from the massed crowd are one made of passion. Few of them are professional and passion gets you where Leeds, Bradford, Wolves, Brum etc etc etc are. Professional gets you 8th-15th in the Prem year on year on year (17th last time as we weren't very professional at certain points)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2014, 07:18:16 AM
This was one of them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2798605/alan-irvine-doesn-t-know-west-brom-players-earn-s-far-cry-scouting-conducting-contract-negotiations-sheffield-wednesday.html

But there were many on a theme for that day or so, not sure this was the article i read at the time. Sheerwood is a loud mouth self promoter. If Albion had signed him we'd be a world of trouble. People like him because he's "honest", but i don't really want the public face of our team being honest about the hundred little things that go on behind closed doors.

Many shouts from the massed crowd are one made of passion. Few of them are professional and passion gets you where Leeds, Bradford, Wolves, Brum etc etc etc are. Professional gets you 8th-15th in the Prem year on year on year (17th last time as we weren't very professional at certain points)

So true! I never understood the clamour for Sherwood, he has done nothing except trumpet his own cleverness. A self promoting nonentity whose only advantage to Albion would have been his closeness to the London press.

So far Irvine has done everything that could have been asked. He has taken a fractured team and mended it, he has blended some new players with the established, he has taken big decisions about leaving out players many thought irreplaceable, he has given the team and backbone, he was influential in getting Lescott and we have more points on the board than games played. Oh, and he has reached this stage with absolutely no sign of being "out by November".

Still, never mind, he's obviously rubbish and out of his depth isn't he.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on November 04, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
The half way point is where we will get a proper perspective of where we are as a team, when we have played every team once. If we lose the next 3 games (which is quite likely), we will have 13 points from 13 games and everything will look a little less rosy. Not yet convinced that Jacko's perceived negativity isn't in fact a realistic assessment and that a few reasonable results haven't clouded some people's judgement
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2014, 09:02:11 PM
The half way point is where we will get a proper perspective of where we are as a team, when we have played every team once. If we lose the next 3 games (which is quite likely), we will have 13 points from 13 games and everything will look a little less rosy. Not yet convinced that Jacko's perceived negativity isn't in fact a realistic assessment and that a few reasonable results haven't clouded some people's judgement
It could all go pear shaped of course (always applies anyway) BUT it's not clouded judgement, it's looking at what you see and judging on that. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 05, 2014, 07:02:28 AM
The half way point is where we will get a proper perspective of where we are as a team, when we have played every team once. If we lose the next 3 games (which is quite likely), we will have 13 points from 13 games and everything will look a little less rosy. Not yet convinced that Jacko's perceived negativity isn't in fact a realistic assessment and that a few reasonable results haven't clouded some people's judgement
I would suggest that the negativity surrounding his appointment and the views of a number of Sheff Wednesday supporters have clouded some people's judgement.  The open minded supporter who looks at the current position rather than lives in the past has to say that he is doing a good enough job based on results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 05, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
The half way point is where we will get a proper perspective of where we are as a team, when we have played every team once. If we lose the next 3 games (which is quite likely), we will have 13 points from 13 games and everything will look a little less rosy. Not yet convinced that Jacko's perceived negativity isn't in fact a realistic assessment and that a few reasonable results haven't clouded some people's judgement
While I would say that we have three tough games coming four including west ham I also no how unpredictable the Albion can be we could easily get something from three of them games a win on Saturday would be mega a point would be satisfying, Dont think 40 points would see you relegated this season or even 38 points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 05, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
I would suggest that the negativity surrounding his appointment and the views of a number of Sheff Wednesday supporters have clouded some people's judgement.  The open minded supporter who looks at the current position rather than lives in the past has to say that he is doing a good enough job based on results.
I agree, it's time to move on now, he has done enough to warrant some backing.
After our awful pre-season and poor start to the season, I was very much in the 'this guy is clueless' camp, but fair play to him, he has stuck to his guns and ethos and it is paying some dividends, in the league at least.
My biggest gripe with him was never his lack of experience, but his reputation for playing negative, turgid football, but to be honest I have seen no real sign of this since the Swansea game. Ok, we play a bit narrow, but all of our midfielders are footballers and can pick a pass and at times we have played some really good stuff.
The Bournemouth game was horrible, but it's hard to blame Irvine as he will be judged on league results, he just fell into the trap of doing what everyone else does. Shame he didn't have the guts to go for it, but understandable why he didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 05, 2014, 02:41:53 PM
after 10 games I fully expected us to be on the same points as Burnley, not Everton ManU and Newcastle.

it's been a great start to the season. far exceeding expectations.

i'm happy to say that AI and JP have proved me wrong so far.

let's take one game at a time and not worry if we lose the next 3
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 05, 2014, 02:59:45 PM
He's perfect for the head coach role. Credit to Rob Kelly and Keith Downing too who work together extremely well it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 05, 2014, 03:00:48 PM
after 10 games I fully expected us to be on the same points as Burnley, not Everton ManU and Newcastle.

it's been a great start to the season. far exceeding expectations.

i'm happy to say that AI and JP have proved me wrong so far.

let's take one game at a time and not worry if we lose the next 3
:o

Really ? I wouldn't say so . I expected us to beat both Palace and Sunderland so think we should be 4 points better off by now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on November 05, 2014, 03:28:10 PM
:o

Really ? I wouldn't say so . I expected us to beat both Palace and Sunderland so think we should be 4 points better off by now
Did you expect us to beat Spurs then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 05, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Did you expect us to beat Spurs then?

Or draw with Man U, given their £150mill 3 pronged strikeforce?

Such a daft comment and a prime example of the negativity on here. Moan about stuff we "done wrong" and give no credit at all for the stuff we've done right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2014, 03:32:04 PM
He's perfect for the head coach role. Credit to Rob Kelly and Keith Downing too who work together extremely well it seems.


For me this is the key here, they all work in harmony together
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on November 05, 2014, 03:55:57 PM
Did you expect us to beat Spurs then?

Quite so Stever. Like the Knave says, it's all too easy to cherry pick and then whinge about things that might have gone better while totally ignoring the things that did go well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2014, 04:17:37 PM
We're about where I thought we would be to be honest. Its disappointing that after winning at Spurs we haven't managed to win either of the home games against side that will be down there but that's football.

I think in the opening ten games there are a lot of positives to take. We're keeping clean sheets which is not something you associate with us in the Premier League, we're looking very good defensively after the shambles of last season and we also seem to have a very united squad. There are improvements to be made in the final third of the pitch but overall I've been quite happy with our start to the season. Irvine has made some bold calls and I think by and large we've tried to play some good football bar a couple of games which now seem a million years ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 05, 2014, 04:33:29 PM
Did you expect us to beat Spurs then?

No but it's not worth as much when you can't beat Palace at home for me.

Or draw with Man U, given their £150mill 3 pronged strikeforce?

Such a daft comment and a prime example of the negativity on here. Moan about stuff we "done wrong" and give no credit at all for the stuff we've done right.

On the whole we tend to up our game against some of the bigger sides so hoping for a draw isn't out of the question and with 5 minutes to go many thought we could hold on.

Read through my posts, I'm not really a negative poster, I'm just giving my opinion on our performance so far. The cup run has also bugged the life out of me for another year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 05, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
If the day before the season kicked off you had asked me where we would be after 10 games, I would have said bottom 3 and looking for yet another manager, Chairman under immense pressure.
So credit where its due, still lots to do and some dark times to come no doubt, but the new teams (playing staff / coaches / PR) have all started well IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 05, 2014, 04:58:46 PM
In relation to my previous comment looking at the games we have played I think these are the games that we have either done worse or better than I would have expected:

Sunderland - drew (2 points dropped)
Everton - Loss ( 1 point dropped)
Spurs - Won (2 points gained)
Palace - Drew (2 points dropped )

I make it out to to be 3 points below where I think we should be, then again some might say I'm being over the top and too ambitious to think we could dream of drawing against a terrible defensive unit.

Also factor in the cup, should be doing better, credit to Bournemouth but we should have been getting through.

Still not convinced on Irvine tactically, but I think we are coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2014, 04:59:57 PM
The win at Spurs and draw with Yanited has offset the dropped points at home to Sunderland  and Palace. We're about where I expected to be honest, that said I now expect to pick up very little in the next 4 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Political Cake on November 05, 2014, 05:02:31 PM
As it stands I'm tempted to add the southampton draw as a point gained, as good as they seem to be doing right now :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 05, 2014, 05:52:05 PM
I think these are the games that we have either done worse or better than I would have expected:
Sunderland - drew (2 points dropped)
Everton - Loss ( 1 point dropped)
Spurs - Won (2 points gained)
Palace - Drew (2 points dropped )

That's where we differ mate, I go into games think we stand a good chance of getting a win or draw, but I never expect. Only the Burnley game is close to a gimmie in this league.

If we really are under performing and are currently on par with Man U, then that just shows how  far we've come of late. I still think we'll get 14th-16th mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on November 05, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
I'm slowly warming to AI, comes across quite well in interviews, compare him to the sweaty sock at vela and I know which one I prefer.
I think he's proved one point in so much that he does appear to be able to turn things round when we're in a rut.
We are, at this moment in time, exactly in the same position after 10 games that we were with Clarke in charge.
Traditionally we tend to go into a nose dive around this time of year, I think that will be a telling time and hopefully AI makes a better fist of it than Clarke did.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2014, 12:32:10 AM
I'm slowly warming to AI, comes across quite well in interviews, compare him to the sweaty sock at vela and I know which one I prefer.
I think he's proved one point in so much that he does appear to be able to turn things round when we're in a rut.
We are, at this moment in time, exactly in the same position after 10 games that we were with Clarke in charge.
Traditionally we tend to go into a nose dive around this time of year, I think that will be a telling time and hopefully AI makes a better fist of it than Clarke did.

That's what I am wondering too. Irvine has a relatively stable team now, which is obviously why he keeps playing the same team week in week out, but what happens when players get injured, fatigued, suspended or lose form? Has Irvine done enough to integrate new players into his system? Can he change the system to adapt to the players at his disposal or will he demand that players adapt to the system, even if they might not really fit into it?

We are at the same point total as last year this time, but we have had the rub of the green in the last couple of games. When that goes against us, which it will, will we have enough to still keep picking up the points?

I believe there are worse teams than us in this division, but that doesn't make us a very strong team. Irvine has done ok so far, certainly he could have started far worse, and I do like that the (current) players seem to like playing for him and are comfortable with this setup. But I think we will have a bumpy ride this season like last year.

A thin squad, our usual November/December slump and a tough run in in the spring combined with unenterprising football. Hopefully we will be saved by some even worse teams again this year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2014, 08:24:28 AM
That's what I am wondering too. Irvine has a relatively stable team now, which is obviously why he keeps playing the same team week in week out, but what happens when players get injured, fatigued, suspended or lose form? Has Irvine done enough to integrate new players into his system? Can he change the system to adapt to the players at his disposal or will he demand that players adapt to the system, even if they might not really fit into it?

We are at the same point total as last year this time, but we have had the rub of the green in the last couple of games. When that goes against us, which it will, will we have enough to still keep picking up the points?

I believe there are worse teams than us in this division, but that doesn't make us a very strong team. Irvine has done ok so far, certainly he could have started far worse, and I do like that the (current) players seem to like playing for him and are comfortable with this setup. But I think we will have a bumpy ride this season like last year.

A thin squad, our usual November/December slump and a tough run in in the spring combined with unenterprising football. Hopefully we will be saved by some even worse teams again this year.

There is no reason to believe that we won't finish around 14th/15th, and it would be unrealistic to expect us to finish much higher than that.  The margins in this league are very fine, and apart from Burnley who have no chance, there are 9 or 10 other clubs who are battling it out with us.  Whatever happens, we all know that 3 go down and we've just got to grind out results, avoid a long run of losses, and hope that we go into the last month already safe.   At the moment we look like being able to do that,  but things can quickly change.

Our squad depth is crucial.  We all seem to have reservations about some of our squad back-up, but is it better than Leicester's or QPR's or Sunderland's or Villa's or Hull's?  We will soon find out.

Its going to be a roller coaster until May.  Let's make sure that our fantastic support  generates another few vital points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2014, 08:44:15 AM
From what I have seen of us and the other teams so far there are at least five teams worse than us. We will be more than safe this season if we can keep most of the first 11 injury free we have players like Anchiebe who can make a real impact coming on from the bench. For Irvine to improve us from last season would be a good achievement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 06, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
This is where we really missed a trick in the cup by making too many changes. It made them all look rubbish, where they almost certainly are not. If we had integrated 2 or 3 into the current 11 it would have given us an idea of how we will cope with injuries etc., instead we got a bunch of strangers not having a clue how each other worked.
Who knows, we may even have gone into the hat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 06, 2014, 12:05:55 PM
Games come thick and fast from late Nov to early Jan so it's inevitable that some injuries / suspensions or whatever will kick in. The problem for AI is making sure players are ready to slot in when the need is there.
This is a huge factor in giving people game time in the Capital One - if we just swapped 3 or 4 it means there are 5 or 6 who will not have played for an even longer period......should AI rotate the squad more in the prem ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2014, 01:29:39 PM
Games come thick and fast from late Nov to early Jan so it's inevitable that some injuries / suspensions or whatever will kick in. The problem for AI is making sure players are ready to slot in when the need is there.
This is a huge factor in giving people game time in the Capital One - if we just swapped 3 or 4 it means there are 5 or 6 who will not have played for an even longer period......should AI rotate the squad more in the prem ?

Yes, theres no way we will still have the same 11 available every game over the next 3 months and at the moment the players coming in will of played practically no 1st team football in 6 months (it's not even like they are getting 20/30 mins off the bench)

I don't think you can argue to much with the teams he has been picking and the players who were given a chance to stake a claim at Bournemouth did themselves no favours but you cant expect to just drop a player in the team and him perform straight away if he hasn't played all season. At some point in the next 2 or 3 weeks AI has to start rotating the team around slightly more than we have been in anticipation of the sides he wants to put out for certain games in December/January
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on November 06, 2014, 08:07:25 PM
Viewing the Tony Brown tributes this week (which were superb and very enjoyable) it was interesting to hear the Bomber chatting about John Giles first season as Albion manager, and the fact that half way through that first season we were way off the pace and close to the relegation zone, only to turn it around and gain promotion back to the old First Division.

As Tony Brown commented, the chances are that these days in the modern game he'd have been given the boot in similar circumstances by many clubs.

Being an old git I can recall those days, albeit as a youngster, and although we were all in a bit of awe of Giles who had a very high playing profile at that time, the football itself wasn't great for the first few months, and it was around 4 months until things really started to click into gear, but I don't recall people having much of a moan and everyone seemed patient and content to give the bloke time.

The only reason I'm commenting on this thread, is that on hearing those comments it struck me how entrenched the views of some Albion fans have been with AI virtually from day one. Thankfully it seems to be a dwindling number now, though as always we know that come the next defeat those who have no confidence in him will be out in force and at times it feels as if he's paying the price for having a low profile in the game, by Premiership standards, as much as anything else.

Appreciate the Giles era is a very long time ago, but for me, the principle of giving a new Coach time stands true and, talking generally rather than about the Albion, the short termism in football these days, when two or three consecutive defeats is considered a "disaster / disgrace" blah blah, has surely on many occasions been self defeating for many clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on November 06, 2014, 10:40:06 PM
Viewing the Tony Brown tributes this week (which were superb and very enjoyable) it was interesting to hear the Bomber chatting about John Giles first season as Albion manager, and the fact that half way through that first season we were way off the pace and close to the relegation zone, only to turn it around and gain promotion back to the old First Division.

As Tony Brown commented, the chances are that these days in the modern game he'd have been given the boot in similar circumstances by many clubs.

Being an old git I can recall those days, albeit as a youngster, and although we were all in a bit of awe of Giles who had a very high playing profile at that time, the football itself wasn't great for the first few months, and it was around 4 months until things really started to click into gear, but I don't recall people having much of a moan and everyone seemed patient and content to give the bloke time.

The only reason I'm commenting on this thread, is that on hearing those comments it struck me how entrenched the views of some Albion fans have been with AI virtually from day one. Thankfully it seems to be a dwindling number now, though as always we know that come the next defeat those who have no confidence in him will be out in force and at times it feels as if he's paying the price for having a low profile in the game, by Premiership standards, as much as anything else.

Appreciate the Giles era is a very long time ago, but for me, the principle of giving a new Coach time stands true and, talking generally rather than about the Albion, the short termism in football these days, when two or three consecutive defeats is considered a "disaster / disgrace" blah blah, has surely on many occasions been self defeating for many clubs.
agree with you Brummie (Tim? ). Problems of short term ism is caused by the radio as they try to provoke an outcry and thus phone calls.

I wasn't keen on irvine at all and I am not won over (only 3 wins for example) but he seems to have worked out best team and I am really hopeful Varela could be a stunning signing.

fingers crossed this weekend as we could conceivably lose the next 3 and that will cause panic!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 07, 2014, 06:49:29 AM
agree with you Brummie (Tim? ). Problems of short term ism is caused by the radio as they try to provoke an outcry and thus phone calls.

I wasn't keen on irvine at all and I am not won over (only 3 win for example) but he seems to have worked out best team and I am really hopeful Varela could be a stunning signing.

fingers crossed this weekend as we could conceivably lose the next 3 and that will cause panic!!
I wouldn't say he has necessarily worked out his best team yet but has identified a team that, for the most part,  is working well and getting the results required.  There are still players who haven't yet made it in to the first team who could, given a regular opportunity and Premier League experience,  bring more to the table.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BRIAN on November 07, 2014, 08:05:33 AM
Luckily in days past we didn't have "forums" and the internet to moan about every minor point. The media was not so "smart-arsed" either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 07, 2014, 08:23:08 AM
That's the thing, say for instance we won our next two and went about 6th. If we then lost our next three people would be wanting him sacked, the modern sacking frenzy is absolute madness. I think sometimes the people who want manager after manager sacked after losing a few games don't have too good of an understanding of football and because of this the only thing they can come up with for a loss is too sack the manager. They can't see the bigger picture
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2014, 08:30:05 AM
That's the thing, say for instance we won our next two and went about 6th. If we then lost our next three people would be wanting him sacked, the modern sacking frenzy is absolute madness. I think sometimes the people who want manager after manager sacked after losing a few games don't have too good of an understanding of football and because of this the only thing they can come up with for a loss is too sack the manager. They can't see the bigger picture

So in essence you are saying give Irvine time. I am prepared to give Irvine a chance now but hope we don't keep saying give him time should we go on a disastrous run and end up in the bottom 3 come Easter. What if we gave Bryan Robson indefinite time and still had him at the helm. Where would we be now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2014, 10:34:51 AM
So in essence you are saying give Irvine time. I am prepared to give Irvine a chance now but hope we don't keep saying give him time should we go on a disastrous run and end up in the bottom 3 come Easter. What if we gave Bryan Robson indefinite time and still had him at the helm. Where would we be now?

Down the pub !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2014, 12:52:07 PM
Down the pub !

Absoultly. After the WBA Sunday League game because that is where we would be now had we given Robson time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:53:37 PM
Met him yesterday, nice bloke hope he succeeds
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 07, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
Met him yesterday, nice bloke hope he succeeds

People who meet him all say the same as you, that he is a lovely bloke and a great coach.

He does seem like he wants to do well and I really hope he does, becasue if he does then we're all winners.

I'm just greatful I can understand him, which is more than I can say about the bloke at Villa!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 07, 2014, 02:20:04 PM
I think he's done much better than expected so far. When you consider we barely had a squad when he arrived, the injuries pre-season and the fact that half the signings are still unfit. The squad is still not balanced enough IMO (not enough creativity or pace). He's tightened the defence up (away from home) and got us back to basics if a little drab to watch. We must start winning the home games against teams around us though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 07, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Extract from the Guardian about AI in theior section about Us Vs Newcastle.

Alan Irvine took over a West Bromwich side who lost four of their final six Premier League games last season and looked in disarray under the disastrous stewardship of Pepe Mel. Yet with a minimum of fuss and little in the way of squad upheaval, he has steadied the ship and they are level on points not just with Sunday’s opponents Newcastle, but big-spending Manchester United as well. Not bad for a manager many thought would not last the season. The improvement in Saido Berahino has been marked, and the striker has been rewarded with an England call-up, but the defence marshalled by Joleon Lescott has also impressed, managing four clean sheets in 10 games. Irvine, David Moyes’ assistant at both Preston and Everton, was sacked when in charge of Sheffield Wednesday and Preston but having taken time to regroup as a youth coach at Goodison, he appears to be relishing another chance. Too often managers are thrown on the scrap heap after early failures, as if they are unable to learn or develop as a result of those set backs. It would be good for the game if Irvine could prove that just because early forays into leadership did not bring instant dividends, talented British coaches should not be overlooked in favour of foreign imports who themselves bring no guarantee of success.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/07/premier-league-10-things-talking-points

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 08, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
This is where we really missed a trick in the cup by making too many changes. It made them all look rubbish, where they almost certainly are not. If we had integrated 2 or 3 into the current 11 it would have given us an idea of how we will cope with injuries etc., instead we got a bunch of strangers not having a clue how each other worked.
Who knows, we may even have gone into the hat.
You are right, but what if you get 2 injuries (say foster and Saido) just to go through in the cup , then drawr Chelsea away??
Im not saying i dont want us to go for it but sometimes its not as simple as it looks??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 08, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
You are right, but what if you get 2 injuries (say foster and Saido) just to go through in the cup , then drawr Chelsea away??
Im not saying i dont want us to go for it but sometimes its not as simple as it looks??

All if's and but's, however you have to get there first, and clearly WBA weren't that interested for whatever reason. I don't think it was down to AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on November 09, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
I have been quiet for the last few weeks letting things plod along, but after today nothing has changed my opinion and I'm still convinced we aren't good enough on the pitch or off it and we will still  be going down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on November 09, 2014, 03:41:39 PM
Steve Clarke no.2,horrible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
Thin ice. What a load of tosh Irvine out(angry face)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on November 09, 2014, 04:15:52 PM
Steve Clarke no.2,horrible.

I've been saying that for some time now...today was an exact replica.

Head in the sand same old set up, get 2 goals down and chuck on anybody he thinks might get us a goal....amateur coaches handle sides better than that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 09, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Got it wrong today. we need an injection of pass into that midfield, it is far too slow. After a few good results I was warming to Irvine a bit, but still not convinced by him today has been very poor. Would have much rather seen Blanco come no for Samaras.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 09, 2014, 04:41:56 PM
Pledged to give Irvine a chance and it's gone to pot since!

 ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 09, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
Team and tactics completely wrong today.

When you're being out-thought by Alan Pardew then you know you're in trouble.

By the way, if our team every play hoof ball like that again, then they should be ashamed of themselves. That is not the Albion way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
I have been quiet for the last few weeks letting things plod along, but after today nothing has changed my opinion and I'm still convinced we aren't good enough on the pitch or off it and we will still  be going down.

As I've said before, we just have to hope that some other teams somehow find a way to be even worse than us over the season. A limited coach and a flawed team will make for a very bumpy ride this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 04:44:32 PM
Team and tactics completely wrong today.

When you're being out-thought by Alan Pardew then you know you're in trouble.

By the way, if our team every play hoof ball like that again, then they should be ashamed of themselves. That is not the Albion way.

It is the Irvine way though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 09, 2014, 04:45:46 PM
I'm happy with the job he's doing and to be 13th in the league at this stage is good. I was really bored watching us today but I have also seen some encouraging stuff so far this season. I really want to see our team have proper wingers with pace like Swansea have with Routledge and Dyer. I hope once Varela gets back he can make a difference to our play which is a bit predictable. The style of play is very Hodgson like which I'll be happy with if it means we finish comfortable in the Premier League. We are still a good team who will have bad days like today a few times this season but I really think we'll finish nearer top ten than bottom three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
I've been saying that for some time now...today was an exact replica.

Head in the sand same old set up, get 2 goals down and chuck on anybody he thinks might get us a goal....amateur coaches handle sides better than that.

Indeed. Voted Irvine out now. Don't ever want to watch such dross again, utterly bored with this now after Hodgson, Clarke and now Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 09, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
I'm happy with the job he's doing and to be 13th in the league at this stage is good. I was really bored watching us today but I have also seen some encouraging stuff so far this season. I really want to see our team have proper wingers with pace like Swansea have with Routledge and Dyer. I hope once Varela gets back he can make a difference to our play which is a bit predictable. The style of play is very Hodgson like which I'll be happy with if it means we finish comfortable in the Premier League. We are still a good team who will have bad days like today a few times this season but I really think we'll finish nearer top ten than bottom three.
What on earth have you seen from Irvine that makes you think we're going to see that? You're going to be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on November 09, 2014, 04:52:27 PM
Anybody who thinks we are ok is living in cuckoo land . No width , no midfield and totally boring at home . Our only saving grace may be that there is 3 worse teams than us at the end of the season. Why do we keep buying poor players who can't get in the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 09, 2014, 04:52:46 PM
Easy for us to go long and play hoof ball because we had the big man up front today, and it didn't work one bit at all today. The Hull, West Ham and Villa games coming up are very important two wins needed from those.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 09, 2014, 04:53:30 PM
It is the Irvine way though.

hand on heart and totally honest does anyone think it will ever get better than this, I hope it does but just cannot see anything to suggest it will. the last 3 games have been very poor displays, not pantwetting just looks so unbalanced and drab, nothing to excite the fans at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 09, 2014, 04:55:21 PM
Anybody who thinks we are ok is living in cuckoo land . No width , no midfield and totally boring at home . Our only saving grace may be that there is 3 worse teams than us at the end of the season. Why do we keep buying poor players who can't get in the team.

How do we know that they are all poor, hardly seen any of them playing for us in the premier league . I dont think irvine know how to use a good attacking creative player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 09, 2014, 05:01:30 PM
hand on heart and totally honest does anyone think it will ever get better than this, I hope it does but just cannot see anything to suggest it will. the last 3 games have been very poor displays, not pantwetting just looks so unbalanced and drab, nothing to excite the fans at all.

Football wise no. Irvine is an organizer will get the team to work hard. I found it a bit strange and weird Pardew saying that about us today. He will happily play the likes of Brunt, Dorrans over Blanco because he knows that those players will probably do more of the hard yards compared to a Blanco maybe. I think we could be better away from home than at the Hawthorns this season, because of how we set up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on November 09, 2014, 05:03:34 PM
How do we know that they are all poor, hardly seen any of them playing for us in the premier league . I dont think irvine know how to use a good attacking creative player.

I think it's down to Irvine very conservative in his approach and just does not trust the 'new' attacking players.  The very opposite to Pepe Mel I suppose which might be good or bad depending how we get on over the season.
I suspect we'll end similar to last season and just staying up based upon the mixed bag that we have seen so far.
We do need to see more intent and tempo at home though as the crowd will turn very quickly this season after the past two years of dross.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
hand on heart and totally honest does anyone think it will ever get better than this, I hope it does but just cannot see anything to suggest it will. the last 3 games have been very poor displays, not pantwetting just looks so unbalanced and drab, nothing to excite the fans at all.

My hope is we can get a few kids to break into the team like Saido did and lift the level of football. What is certain is that we will not get better football as long as we employ negative coaches who don't think we can play better football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on November 09, 2014, 05:08:29 PM
My hope is we can get a few kids to break into the team like Saido did and lift the level of football. What is certain is that we will not get better football as long as we employ negative coaches who don't think we can play better football.
Trouble is the way we play suits the old guard of the team who seem very vocal and threw their toys out of the pram when Mel asked them to up their game last season............
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
Trouble is the way we play suits the old guard of the team who seem very vocal and threw their toys out of the pram when Mel asked them to up their game last season............

Indeed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on November 09, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
Our home form is terrible. We're set up to grid out 1-0 wins which is more effective on the counter away. No pace or width despite the fan base screaming out for the same. Lots of slow central midfielders sitting deep and passing the buck. Moving the ball sideways around the back four very very slowly, easy to defend against. Also managed to waste £10m on a striker who can't even make the bench. Ironically our first choice striker Riverirre went to Newcastle and he has also been a flop. I do not trust the scouting department when it comes to forwards. We're repeatedly targeting forwards who are not goal-scorers. Now were over reliant on Saido who has been over hyped by the press in recent weeks.

Controversial but we should try and sign Sako from the dingles in January.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 09, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
that's it for me today he can go sooner the better !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2014, 05:48:40 PM
There is very little imagination to our play which is very concerning and that's now three poor performances on the bounce - we somehow managed to win at Leicester via some fluke of an own goal.

When Anichebe plays we are far too predictable. Our tactics basically consist of our midfield or back four chipping the ball into him, letting him hold it up and then making a few sideways passes before we lose the ball. Then we do it again, and again and then on the next occasion Anichebe will try and roll a centre half. I've taken it for granted now that whenever he plays we will do absolutely nothing else but what I've outlined above.

Plenty of sideways passing between the midfield and back four but at the end of the day lacking in penetration to cause sides problems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 05:58:37 PM
There is very little imagination to our play which is very concerning and that's now three poor performances on the bounce - we somehow managed to win at Leicester via some fluke of an own goal.

When Anichebe plays we are far too predictable. Our tactics basically consist of our midfield or back four chipping the ball into him, letting him hold it up and then making a few sideways passes before we lose the ball. Then we do it again, and again and then on the next occasion Anichebe will try and roll a centre half. I've taken it for granted now that whenever he plays we will do absolutely nothing else but what I've outlined above
.

Plenty of sideways passing between the midfield and back four but at the end of the day lacking in penetration to cause sides problems.

That Anichebe tactics is exactly what we saw in the training game against that American side (forgot the name sorry) that was televised (it was also the debut game for Wisdom who was less than impressvie).  I don't think Irvine has much more to offer than that to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 09, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
Give him time FFS!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 06:02:26 PM
Give him time FFS!!

The only thing Irvine will do with more time is give us more of the same nonsense.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 09, 2014, 06:27:10 PM
The only thing Irvine will do with more time is give us more of the same nonsense.

We are eleven games into the new season and are we any better football wise than last season. Answer NO 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 09, 2014, 06:28:55 PM
We are eleven games into the new season and are we any better football wise than last season. Answer NO

And so the answer is what exactly..................
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2014, 06:36:24 PM
Well lets recognise what he has done which are so far the main positives of his reign. We are extremely organised, have a much better defensive spine about the team and seemingly have a good spirit in the camp and all three were needed after the farse of last season. Yes, there are glaring deficiences within the side, the football certainly hasn't been as entertaining as many would have liked but there have been some promising signs only in very small pockets.

The conundrum for Irvine is whether he can get the side to play some more 'easy on the eye' football with penetration and still maintain the defensively solidity that he has brought to the club this season. I have no problem with losing football matches but there is a manner in which we lose them and its day like today where I find losing hard to take because we've been beaten, at home, so comfortably and we've barely laid a finger on the opposition. If Irvine can get us trading blows with the opposition then whilst I won't like losing, I can certainly say we'd have given it a good go, especially at home where accumlating points is paramount. Unfortunately, Irvine is struggling in this department.

Unfortunately at the moment we seem to have a solid defensive foundation but are certainly lacking going forward.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 09, 2014, 06:38:40 PM
Awful today. If I had of know that today would be pass to anichebe so he can back into a defender and hopefully something will happen for every attack I would not have gone. Why break up the sessegnon-berahino partnership. Why baird on the bench over ideye? Why put sessegnon on left wing and play brunt centre mid? Awful today. And finally wisdom at left back? Not for me, can't even kick the ball with his left foot.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
Well lets recognise what he has done which are so far the main positives of his reign. We are extremely organised, have a much better defensive spine about the team and seemingly have a good spirit in the camp and all three were needed after the farse of last season. Yes, there are glaring deficiences within the side, the football certainly hasn't been as entertaining as many would have liked but there have been some promising signs only in very small pockets.

The conundrum for Irvine is whether he can get the side to play some more 'easy on the eye' football with penetration and still maintain the defensively solidity that he has brought to the club this season. I have no problem with losing football matches but there is a manner in which we lose them and its day like today where I find losing hard to take because we've been beaten, at home, so comfortably and we've barely laid a finger on the opposition. If Irvine can get us trading blows with the opposition then whilst I won't like losing, I can certainly say we'd have given it a good go, especially at home where accumlating points is paramount. Unfortunately, Irvine is struggling in this department.

Unfortunately at the moment we seem to have a solid defensive foundation but are certainly lacking going forward.

Are we better defensively?  The Burnley game aside we've shipped 2 goals in every other home game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
Are we better defensively?  The Burnley game aside we've shipped 2 goals in every other home game.

Lescott and Poc big improvement.  Dawson and particularly Wisdom. Not so much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 09, 2014, 07:12:22 PM
What on earth have you seen from Irvine that makes you think we're going to see that? You're going to be very disappointed.

Well some predicted we'd stay in the bottom three after the Everton game but we then shot up the table. We only have Varela who's that type of winger so once he's back we'll see if Irvine plays him or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 09, 2014, 07:13:24 PM
The only thing Irvine will do with more time is give us more of the same nonsense.

I know. I'm just saying give Irvine time first before anyone else gets it in  ;D

Jol to take over at Christmas if things don't improve.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Well some predicted we'd stay in the bottom three after the Everton game but we then shot up the table. We only have Varela who's that type of winger so once he's back we'll see if Irvine plays him or not.

Whats worrying is that we've not played anyone of note as yet. Even Liverpool and Man Utd were badly out of form when we played them. Our only hope is that there is 3 really poor sides again this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 07:19:07 PM
Got to say that putting wisdom to LB and not Brunt was a terrible decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on November 09, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
Wisdom is horrendous at left back, if a left back was in the positions he got in we may have got back into it!

Why drop Sess!? Bigs him up in the week then drops him. That's happened before with somebody.

Time to take some risks Alan. And by risks I mean, don't play 5 midfielders that are central mids with no pace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 09, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
I know. I'm just saying give Irvine time first before anyone else gets it in  ;D

Jol to take over at Christmas if things don't improve.

Or Coco the chuffing clown.

I am still not enamoured of Artificial Intelligence, but he has done better than I, and 100 monkeys trapped in a room with some cymbals and a big ball of edam, thought he would.  Let's give him another six matches then bleat like mad, but FFS, DON'T replace him with Jol.

IF we go down that route, SPEND some money. SHOW some feckin ambition and hunger!!!!!!

STOP peeing around, Ideye and Anichebe would have BOUGHT US Lukaku!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lesson learned one would hope....

Last note for Alan - if we look pooh, THAT is when you should substitute.
Every Albion fan can  see it, just let us know if you need us to tell you when.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_liam on November 09, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
I've said after most games now this season that it looks to me like the players are frightened to step out of what they've been told to do in training. It's like they've been programmed and more bothered about sticking to 'their job' rather than to break out of the mould and attack at times. I mean look at Gamboa today, nearly everytime he had the ball he was forced to pass it sidewards or back to the centre half! Granted at times he should have attacked the fb himself, but did he not because he's been told to go on and keep his shape and defend first?
Everytime we counter we have to stop and wait for someone to attempt to get forward. It's all very static, through the middle, no width, no pace.
It looks like the game plan every week is to keep it tight, nick a goal and try and see it out. Last week at Leicester was terrible, we got lucky with the OG and against better teams it won't work, and today was just a shambles all round.
I really want AI to be a success but his idea of football and tactics is not pretty to watch and is pretty boring.
We are desperate for some pace in the team especially in wide areas. Too many players of the same mould.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Are we better defensively?  The Burnley game aside we've shipped 2 goals in every other home game.

Without doubt. Slightly unsure on Widsom but we have three very good defenders in the back four which is an improvement on last year. I also think we defend much better as a team this year with great work from both our back four and midfield four infront of them. Players know their individual duties and compared to the unorganised rabble of last season I would certainly say we are better defensively.

We've also managed four clean sheets isn't too bad for a side that usually concedes goals.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
Without doubt. Slightly unsure on Widsom but we have three very good defenders in the back four which is an improvement on last year. I also think we defend much better as a team this year with great work from both our back four and midfield four infront of them. Players know their individual duties and compared to the unorganised rabble of last season I would certainly say we are better defensively.

We've also managed four clean sheets isn't too bad for a side that usually concedes goals.

But we still fall apart every time we face opponents who attack our full backs with pace/skill. We look ok in games like Burnely and Leicester who didn't have any pace/skill out wide. We have a very flawed defence still.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 09, 2014, 08:08:52 PM
Are we better defensively?  The Burnley game aside we've shipped 2 goals in every other home game.
4 clean sheets in 10 suggests so.. It's a Hodgson style that means we'd expect better away from home or teams that will go at us of which we've only really had United and they needed some great goals to draw with us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 09, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
4 clean sheets in 10 suggests so.. It's a Hodgson style that means we'd expect better away from home or teams that will go at us of which we've only really had United and they needed some great goals to draw with us.

As I said above, we look ok against teams that play narrow against us. A little bit of width and pace and we ship two goals a game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on November 09, 2014, 08:30:36 PM
Let's just face it and be honest
He is f***ing clueless and the sack is inevitable
We back him slightly because he is the WBA manager but he managed anyone else we would take the mickey
We have had all the luck going in the last few games but we have very few shots and haven't a clue how to attack
We were 2 0  down today and gave up
I watched QPR last night and they are miles better than us
I still sat what I said at the start of the season-this guy will get us relegated
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
A number of us said a while ago that the big test for AI was not getting a squad fit and organised but rather it would be being more tactically aware than his oppositions managers,
 
Well today he was found out. In fact, so far he was the equal of Pearson  & Warnock, I could only say he has out thought Sean Dyche and Pochettino thus far.

Alan you need to grab the initiative if you are going to survive. IMHO
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 09, 2014, 08:34:13 PM
This season is going exactly where a lot of us suspected and from hearing Sheff Wed and Preston fans we all knew what to expect.

He is a defensive coach.  He will get good results especially away from home as we have seen already.  Expect more 1-0 wins.

It was an uninspired appointment most of us will agree.  I do think he is a good coach.  There are games this season where I have seen so really good passing football.  But to me he is no more than a coach.  He doesn't appear to have a plan B and isn't great with motivating the players.

I think Burnley and Leicester are worse than us and will go down.  I see us fighting relegation this season.  13th flatters us IMO.  Well be 16th to 18th this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 09, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
I would Burnley and Leicester look in trouble despite Burnley winning. Hull and Cyrstal Palace have been on a very poor runs of form. I see Villa having a really tough season same for Sunderland too. If we could finish 13th that would in my eyes be a great season for us we will have enough on other teams around to stay up I'm very confident of that. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnnyg on November 09, 2014, 08:45:40 PM
After seeing last week at Leicester, and today, i think 2 things are obvious to an amateur analyst like me ( not sure if Irvive/Rob Kelly, and the other 2 wise men see it this way ) :-

1. Our back 4 is, to all intents and purposes, relatively solid ( compare it to any other back 4 in the bottom half and we'd compare favourably, even allowing for the general unease with Wisedom ).

2. The point of our attack is best served with Berahino up top, and Sessegnon in behind. The idiotic fallacy of both not having Sess in the team, and then playing him wide when he came on, was blown apart today. Yes, we ll know that Sess can be inconsistent and sometimes cant hit a barn door, but he bring something different to the team that we dont have - a bit of trickery, a bit of what is he going to do next. We NEED it.

3. I have been a huge supporter of both Dorrans and Brunt ( and Morrison, for that manner ). However, we cannot carry on with the midfield structure as it is currently. We have GOT TO introduce width to our team. I would have Gardner the first name in my midfield, and i would let Morrison/Dorrans/Brunt fight it out for the other place in the centre.  I would have Valero on one wing, and have a look at Blanco on the other wing. If it turns out he's not up to it, ffs buy a winger in January.

We need width and pace in this team. And fast.










Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on November 09, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Chelsea away , Arsenal home, West Ham home, Hull away. I can't see us getting anything from these games on today's showing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 09, 2014, 08:54:05 PM

It was an uninspired appointment most of us will agree.  I do think he is a good coach.  There are games this season where I have seen so really good passing football.  But to me he is no more than a coach.  He doesn't appear to have a plan B and isn't great with motivating the players.


I said a similar thing to my Dad when coming away from the ground.  Hes got good plans when he starts a game but when something doesnt run along with this plan he panics and withdraws into the defensive shell that Preston and Wednesday fans talk about.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 08:54:54 PM
Chelsea away , Arsenal home, West Ham home, Hull away. I can't see us getting anything from these games on today's showing.
On todays showing, Null pointes!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
Without doubt. Slightly unsure on Widsom but we have three very good defenders in the back four which is an improvement on last year. I also think we defend much better as a team this year with great work from both our back four and midfield four infront of them. Players know their individual duties and compared to the unorganised rabble of last season I would certainly say we are better defensively.

We've also managed four clean sheets isn't too bad for a side that usually concedes goals.

After 11 games last season we'd conceded 12 goals as opposed to 15 this season. We had also kept 4 cleansheets same as this season. This suggests we are in fact worse. For me our midfield is not good enough defensively. We are too powderpuff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 09, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Chelsea away , Arsenal home, West Ham home, Hull away. I can't see us getting anything from these games on today's showing.

Well we didn't play much better at Leicester but came away with the points.. ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 09, 2014, 09:19:07 PM
I said a similar thing to my Dad when coming away from the ground.  Hes got good plans when he starts a game but when something doesnt run along with this plan he panics and withdraws into the defensive shell that Preston and Wednesday fans talk about.
How many forwards did we finish up on the pitch with?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 09, 2014, 09:20:38 PM
Got to say that putting wisdom to LB and not Brunt was a terrible decision.
Wisdom at left back was not a problem,  Wisdom as most attacking left sided player was a problem.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 09, 2014, 09:22:01 PM
Just throwing forwards on is a sign of panic not going more offensive.

We needed a change in direction of attack not more forwards.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 09, 2014, 09:23:11 PM
Wisdom at left back was not a problem,  Wisdom as most attacking left sided player was a problem.

Both were a problem especially as he hasnt got any sort of left foot.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
Our home form is terrible. We're set up to grid out 1-0 wins which is more effective on the counter away. No pace or width despite the fan base screaming out for the same. Lots of slow central midfielders sitting deep and passing the buck. Moving the ball sideways around the back four very very slowly, easy to defend against. Also managed to waste £10m on a striker who can't even make the bench. Ironically our first choice striker Riverirre went to Newcastle and he has also been a flop. I do not trust the scouting department when it comes to forwards. We're repeatedly targeting forwards who are not goal-scorers. Now were over reliant on Saido who has been over hyped by the press in recent weeks.

Controversial but we should try and sign Sako from the dingles in January.
We should have got Sakho that went to west ham , I still think Brown has enough quality (and a very decent ratio) however the stories are not great.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 09, 2014, 09:27:16 PM
I've said after most games now this season that it looks to me like the players are frightened to step out of what they've been told to do in training. It's like they've been programmed and more bothered about sticking to 'their job' rather than to break out of the mould and attack at times. I mean look at Gamboa today, nearly everytime he had the ball he was forced to pass it sidewards or back to the centre half! Granted at times he should have attacked the fb himself, but did he not because he's been told to go on and keep his shape and defend first?
Everytime we counter we have to stop and wait for someone to attempt to get forward. It's all very static, through the middle, no width, no pace.
It looks like the game plan every week is to keep it tight, nick a goal and try and see it out. Last week at Leicester was terrible, we got lucky with the OG and against better teams it won't work, and today was just a shambles all round.
I really want AI to be a success but his idea of football and tactics is not pretty to watch and is pretty boring.
We are desperate for some pace in the team especially in wide areas. Too many players of the same mould.
We ended up going backwards and sidewards today because we had little movement up front. I would have to agree that Berahino and Anichebe didn't play well together, for which Irvine has to takessome responsibility but arguably he is supposed to be the next England striket and will need to learn how to play with a partner. If Anichebe was as good facing the goal as he is with his back to it he would be genius!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
We ended up going backwards and sidewards today because we had little movement up front. I would have to agree that Berahino and Anichebe didn't play well together, for which Irvine has to takessome responsibility but arguably he is supposed to be the next England striket and will need to learn how to play with a partner. If Anichebe was as good facing the goal as he is with his back to it he would be genius!
yep , our movement was very poor , anichebe was good but no one threw themselves at his crosses/knock downs , until dozza did , and got injured for it .
overall Newcastle looked very poor first half and we should have put them away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
We ended up going backwards and sidewards today because we had little movement up front. I would have to agree that Berahino and Anichebe didn't play well together, for which Irvine has to takessome responsibility but arguably he is supposed to be the next England striket and will need to learn how to play with a partner. If Anichebe was as good facing the goal as he is with his back to it he would be genius!

We go backwards and sideways so often because we don't have the pace or craft in midfield to go past players. This for me has to be the worst midfield we have had since our return to the top flight. Our recruitment over the last couple of years has been abysmal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 10:18:12 PM
We go backwards and sideways so often because we don't have the pace or craft in midfield to go past players. This for me has to be the worst midfield we have had since our return to the top flight. Our recruitment over the last couple of years has been abysmal.
disagree
blanco,gamboa,varela,sess,dozza yacob, mulumbu and gardner have got plenty to offer, but they have to be picked and playing in the right formation??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 09, 2014, 10:29:15 PM
I said a similar thing to my Dad when coming away from the ground.  Hes got good plans when he starts a game but when something doesnt run along with this plan he panics and withdraws into the defensive shell that Preston and Wednesday fans talk about.

So true and to add the fans said that when the bad runs started he had little or no idea how to get them out of the rut.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on November 09, 2014, 11:30:45 PM
I said a similar thing to my Dad when coming away from the ground.  Hes got good plans when he starts a game but when something doesnt run along with this plan he panics and withdraws into the defensive shell that Preston and Wednesday fans talk about.
Agree.

After 10+ games I think I've now seen enough of Irvine to make an informed judgement; and I think some of his methods are completely fine (organised defense, decent set-pieces, solid away from home etc).

However, there's an underlying theme which hasn't gone un-noticed, which is that after going a goal behind, he completely capitulates and has no alternatives. Quite frankly, I don't care if he grinds out boring results; I grew up watching Megson and that will suit me down to the ground. The issue is that there's no plan b, so if we go a goal down, we can basically kiss any points goodbye. Over the course of a season, this 'strategy' just won't work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2014, 03:20:48 AM
Agree.

After 10+ games I think I've now seen enough of Irvine to make an informed judgement; and I think some of his methods are completely fine (organised defense, decent set-pieces, solid away from home etc).

However, there's an underlying theme which hasn't gone un-noticed, which is that after going a goal behind, he completely capitulates and has no alternatives. Quite frankly, I don't care if he grinds out boring results; I grew up watching Megson and that will suit me down to the ground. The issue is that there's no plan b, so if we go a goal down, we can basically kiss any points goodbye. Over the course of a season, this 'strategy' just won't work.

It's nothing like Megson though, we used to go at teams with pace from Roberts Hughes Koumas Dyer Kilbane etc we only shut up shop AFTER we'd taken the lead.

Father Ted Parks the bus from kick-off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 10, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
Irvine is so fat behind the times tactically its becoming embarassing. 442 with good wide players is becoming obsolete, to try and play it without searing pace upfront and with 4 central midfielders behind is at best totally naive. I feel Irvine has showwn his true colours and he should be shown the door,2 large defeats against Chelsea and Arsenal could hasten his departure and i for 1 will shed no tears over what has to go down as a monumental mistake of an appointment!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 10, 2014, 07:34:51 AM
Seems to be alot forgetting that we came back from 2-0 the other week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:57:21 AM
I dread home games.I am board stiff.Worse football i have ever seen yesterdays game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 10, 2014, 08:53:25 AM
I dread home games.I am board stiff.Worse football i have ever seen yesterdays game


Think you mean bored?  If so its a word I've seen quite a bit so far this season and one we'll see a lot more IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 08:53:32 AM
The bloke is tactially inept. One thing that has annoyed me after yesterdays game was his criticism of Berahino.

There was simply no need to come out and talk about Berahino, saying it was his worse game yet. Strikers are cofidence players. No need to put a dent in that. He had more or less our only chance yesterday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on November 10, 2014, 08:53:42 AM
So true and to add the fans said that when the bad runs started he had little or no idea how to get them out of the rut.

its not a good plan - particularly at home. We create so little and apart from the odd good move lack any kind of incisive play.

our performance in second half yesterday was nothing short of embarrassing, i have a little sympathy for AI in that he can only work with players available and the truth is he has precious little to work with. However he can be help at least partially responsible for having our team play as if we have 3 less players than newcastle, who worked harder, looked fitter and were outnumbering us all over the park.

so so depressed after yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on November 10, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
I put this on another thread before the Newcastle game:

I'm not a doom'n'gloomer particularly, but we nicked 3 at Spurs (there's always a few "outliers") and other than that have only beaten two of the promoted clubs, who are looking pretty ropey all round.

I'm waiting to see how the run to Xmas goes, minimum 3 more wins needed by the turn of the year to keep in the middle of the table.


I think I will stand by that!  I do expect us to stay up because the promoted clubs are pretty rubbish, but it'll be tight.  He is obviously a well organised coach, and likeable, but as everyone is saying we are a pretty predictable 442 side with a bit of a soft centre when facing pace and aggression.  The option of fighting fire with fire seems alien to Irvine - he was a decent player who "knew his station" - for years when the Everton or whoever team was announced or talked about you'd think, yes, OK Irvine out there, safe enough pair of hands, knows what he's doing.  That seems to be about it as far as a footballing philosophy goes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
The bloke is tactially inept. One thing that has annoyed me after yesterdays game was his criticism of Berahino.

There was simply no need to come out and talk about Berahino, saying it was his worse game yet. Strikers are cofidence players. No need to put a dent in that. He had more or less our only chance yesterday
I could not believe the criticism of Saido either, shocking deflection tactic. He was poor because he was playing second fiddle to Anichebe and trying to feed off scraps. This I not what earned his call up, he earned that playing as the lone striker.
The little bit of respect I had for Irvine was severely dented by this.
His team selection was to blame for this turgid performance, not Berahino.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 09:47:18 AM
I could not believe the criticism of Saido either, shocking deflection tactic. He was poor because he was playing second fiddle to Anichebe and trying to feed off scraps. This I not what earned his call up, he earned that playing as the lone striker.
The little bit of respect I had for Irvine was severely dented by this.
His team selection was to blame for this turgid performance, not Berahino.

Strange wasn't it. If anything he should have said - 'I felt sorry for Berahino, we changed style and it didn't really suit him'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 10, 2014, 10:03:03 AM
Have to say i cannot believe the reaction to yesterdays defeat, think we need to put it into some context.

Yesterday was rubbish and boring, to me it was the same as the Everton game, Irvine did get it wrong and i have no doubt he will do on various other occasions this season, because everybody does make mistakes.

However judging from the reaction from some on here, any game we win is because Irvine got lucky, every game we lose is because he is useless, something dont seem quite right about that. Yes we have got lucky a few times, also been unlucky a few times, Adebayors handball in the area v Spurs, Man United getting a set piece that never was and scoring from the rebound, Bournemouth player sliding in and handballing the ball towards his own goal to name a few, sounds bit petty but those claiming we only win because of luck need to see the other side too.

Football is about opinions, yes Everton and Newcastle were boring, but was Sunderland, was Burnley, was Man United, was Palace 2nd half? Were we boring at Spurs? None of us wanted Irvine yet it seems some want him gone regardless of how he does, we could win the next 3 games 5-0, lose the one after that and people will say he is clueless, i think we have won 3, drew 2 and lost 2 in the last 7, yet after a defeat apparently he has to go!

We are 13th in the league, which in a league we are in just make up the numbers us about right, we have a coach who has come in, took over a squad that has been rubbish for 18 months, overhauled half of it, got some confidence and enjoyment back and yet one defeat and apparently he is awful! No team plays well every game of the season, sometimes you have to grind results out (ie - Leicester) against Newcastle we were rubbish and the criticism for that game is warranted but after every defeat to say its time to go is ridiculous.

We may well lose the next 3 games, we may lose the next 10, we also may win them too so anybody predicted he should go because we will lose the next 3 games probably needs to bear that in mind, when we had Spurs, Liverpool and Man United 3 out of 4 games apparently we were going to get tanked in all those games, didnt quite work out like that.

In most of our games, we have a go, we play football, we attack, we score goals, (concede some too) and are quite entertaining and now and again have a mare (ie - yesterday) As a bottom half to mid table team i would rather that than be a 0-0 or 1-0 games each week. I do think Irvine messed up with the cup exit but hindsight is a wonderful thing and hopefully he will of learnt for the FA cup in January.

As for Berahino i dont mind Irvine saying what he said, he said he had his poorest game of the season, which was the truth, he said it just didnt happen for him which is fair enough, after Berahino sat there Friday and there was talk about moving on for Champions League, bigger clubs, etc (which have no objection to Berahino having ambition) then maybe it was Irvines way of keeping his feet on the ground, he has had everyone blowing smoke up his a**e lately and rightly so, but now and again certain players need to be grounded and i think Berahino last season showed that.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 10, 2014, 10:05:06 AM
The bloke is tactially inept. One thing that has annoyed me after yesterdays game was his criticism of Berahino.

There was simply no need to come out and talk about Berahino, saying it was his worse game yet. Strikers are cofidence players. No need to put a dent in that. He had more or less our only chance yesterday

Its called pass the buck or don't blame me blame him.
JP won't sake AI this season what ever happens on the pitch, he's here for the long hall. IMO
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 10:07:42 AM
bored then, stiff as a board
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 10:11:08 AM
Its not saidos fault, its the rubbish none service he got.All the midfielders decided to stay in their own half
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 10, 2014, 10:17:17 AM
There has been games where I've enjoyed watching us this season and games that I haven't which was yesterday's game. Results wise we are doing well and in a good position in the table. I do think some are being extremely harsh on Irvine. I think we do have to improve the way we set up at home though, away from home we're fine and will pick up points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 10:27:42 AM
To sit back at home and just invite pressure is not something I want to see in an Albion manager.

Yesterday was terrible to watch and on the whole it's extremely ineffective and negative football. As others have said once we go behind he doesn't seem to understand how to change the game, with the exception of Palace.

Away from fine, I could understand the method, even then if you're going to soak it up , you need to hit teams with pace. That's not something we can do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Wbahunty on November 10, 2014, 10:31:50 AM
Hes playing 4 midfielders who cannot go past a player. Not any player in the team apart from Sess has that quality of running at players. Berahino cannot do it ethier hes only good with grass infront of him, but a defender there and he offers nothing!

We have no width or pace or flair in all areas and look at the better teams they have players who can!

Sissoko yesterday was brilliant at driving forward, you look at Downing at West Ham and he drives the team forward by running with the ball!

Not ONE albion player did that yesterday!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 10, 2014, 10:33:08 AM
Its called pass the buck or don't blame me blame him.
JP won't sake AI this season what ever happens on the pitch, he's here for the long hall. IMO

Bye the way I've not changed my mind on AI going he's not & never will be the kind of manager who will bring the kind of football I love to see.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 10, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
We have no width or pace or flair in all areas and look at the better teams they have players who can!

Is that the fault of Irvine though? His options are pretty much restricted in the wide areas. The only player capable of bringing a bit of width and pace to this side has spent the whole season injured so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 10, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
There are some fans who are only bothered about results and don't care about performances or a negative approach, which is entirely up to them. However, to my mind overall, poor performances are less likely to see us getting good results, whilst setting the side up negatively can only bear fruit if you're effective on the counter attack. We've only played well fleetingly this season and have been undeniably poor for the past 4 games. The win at Leicester was down to a fluke own goal and we never looked like scoring yesterday either.

Not looking like scoring isn't a great surprise when your head coach is rather phobic about playing your most creative players. Not only that, but he's becoming increasingly reluctant to even put them on the bench. Consequently, once we go behind we don't have the options available (or a coach with an appropriate mindset) to make us look likely to get back into the game. If you're going to play defensively, then you have to be able to be swift on the counter-attack and use width to its full advantage. Unfortunately, Irvine doesn't seem to want to pick players, or even have them available to bring on, who will be effective counter attackers, with the outcome being easily predictable. Where opposing teams play a counter attacking style against us, we don't have much to break them down with and they usually look better than us when pushing forward.

For my part, I'd rather we were throwing away 3 goal leads like last season (note: not that I blame Pepe Mel in the slightest for the occasions where that happened) than Irvine's turgid tactics which, ultimately, are unlikely to see us do any better than last season. Unless he can somehow find a more adventurous bone in his body, it looks like being a struggle in every sense.

Just a couple of other points. Playing 45 mins yesterday with someone at left-back, who's actually a one-footed central defender who can fill in at right-back, unsurprisingly failed and that was extremely poor management, as was singling out Berahino for criticism after the game.

The word "fickle" has been chucked around quite a bit at the weekend. I never wanted Irvine to be our head coach and I still don't, so being fickle is the last thing that those with a similar viewpoint can be accused of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 10, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
Is that the fault of Irvine though? His options are pretty much restricted in the wide areas. The only player capable of bringing a bit of width and pace to this side has spent the whole season injured so far.
Blanco is supposed to be able to play out wide as well as through the middle, whilst we could do worse than try Gamboa as a right-winger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
There are some fans who are only bothered about results and don't care about performances or a negative approach, which is entirely up to them. However, to my mind overall, poor performances are less likely to see us getting good results, whilst setting the side up negatively can only bear fruit if you're effective on the counter attack. We've only played well fleetingly this season and have been undeniably poor for the past 4 games. The win at Leicester was down to a fluke own goal and we never looked like scoring yesterday either.

Not looking like scoring isn't a great surprise when your head coach is rather phobic about playing your most creative players. Not only that, but he's becoming increasingly reluctant to even put them on the bench. Consequently, once we go behind we don't have the options available (or a coach with an appropriate mindset) to make us look likely to get back into the game. If you're going to play defensively, then you have to be able to be swift on the counter-attack and use width to its full advantage. Unfortunately, Irvine doesn't seem to want to pick players, or even have them available to bring on, who will be effective counter attackers, with the outcome being easily predictable. Where opposing teams play a counter attacking style against us, we don't have much to break them down with and they usually look better than us when pushing forward.

For my part, I'd rather we were throwing away 3 goal leads like last season (note: not that I blame Pepe Mel in the slightest for the occasions where that happened) than Irvine's turgid tactics which, ultimately, are unlikely to see us do any better than last season. Unless he can somehow find a more adventurous bone in his body, it looks like being a struggle in every sense.

Just a couple of other points. Playing 45 mins yesterday with someone at left-back, who's actually a one-footed central defender who can fill in at right-back, unsurprisingly failed and that was extremely poor management, as was singling out Berahino for criticism after the game.

The word "fickle" has been chucked around quite a bit at the weekend. I never wanted Irvine to be our head coach and I still don't, so being fickle is the last thing that those with a similar viewpoint can be accused of.

Good post and pretty much sums up my thoughts at the minute.

He might be a lovely bloke, he might be great at man management and superb on the training pitch, but tactically he lacks so much and is taking us nowhere in a hurry.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 10, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
I guess we would rely on counter attacking especially away from home but unfortunately we have a team of footballers and counter attacking at the moment - without Varela, is not an option.

How can you expect a side to play counter attacking football when their midfield consists of the likes of Graham Dorrans, Chris Brunt and James Morrison? The side is not designed for that and I don't think we have the personnel within the squad to adjust it either. A midfield like that is firmly interested in keeping sideways possession.

Gone of the days where a Steve Clarke side could break away with the likes of Peter Odemwingie, Shane Long or Romelu Lukaku. Alan Irvine just does not have those options available.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
He admitted his team selection was based on the opposition, but instead of exploiting their weaknesses he neutralised our strengths.
Trying to be too clever and overthinking things.
This will be his downfall, football isn't played on paper.
Yes he has limited options, but that is more reason not to change for change's sake. He had to replace Gardner, but that should have been the only change.
By far our biggest threat is a confident and in form Berahino, so by playing Anichebe and forcing him out wide was a ridiculous decision. To then single him out for criticism is frankly bizarre.
Be a man, admit you got it wrong, learn from it and move on, don't deflect the attention onto a 21year old.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I guess we would rely on counter attacking especially away from home but unfortunately we have a team of footballers and counter attacking at the moment - without Varela, is not an option.

How can you expect a side to play counter attacking football when their midfield consists of the likes of Graham Dorrans, Chris Brunt and James Morrison? The side is not designed for that and I don't think we have the personnel within the squad to adjust it either. A midfield like that is firmly interested in keeping sideways possession.

Gone of the days where a Steve Clarke side could break away with the likes of Peter Odemwingie, Shane Long or Romelu Lukaku. Alan Irvine just does not have those options available.

or does he have them but just chooses not to use them??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 10, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
While i take on board the last few points about Irvine and options for me it doesn't act as an excuse for reverting to hoof ball from the back again Yesterday , I don't really buy playing "The Albion Way" as some like to call it and a club like us needs points by pretty much anyway possible  but at the same time having played some decent passing football of late why on earth did Irvine think sticking the ball on Newcastle defenders heads would work for 90 mins?
It's not as if Saido is strong in the air or Anichebe either despite his size ? , after the first ten mins of Lescott , Brunt and Dawson looking to go long i said to my Dad Irvine doesn't half shoot himself in the foot . One big step backwards for me after that , there are very few teams in the top flight going to fall for that tactic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on November 10, 2014, 01:18:54 PM
All I want is to be entertained, Christ  ::) if were not giving the cups a go at least play some decent football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 10, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
If we win next game everyone will again be declaring AI as the best thing since sliced bread!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: row ww on November 10, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
All I want is to be entertained, Christ  ::) if were not giving the cups a go at least play some decent football.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 10, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
All I want is to be entertained, Christ  ::) if were not giving the cups a go at least play some decent football.


Then AI isn't the coach to fulfill them dreams for you or me , sorry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
If we win next game everyone will again be declaring AI as the best thing since sliced bread!

If we win the next game he will be yes. If we beat Chelsea then he deserves to be given freedom on the town.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 10, 2014, 01:51:09 PM
If we win the next game he will be yes. If we beat Chelsea then he deserves to be given freedom on the town.  ;D

But then lose the following one after that then everyone will want his head on the Astle gates again!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
That was hard reading all that in italics  :o

Maybe not as far as slated Berahino, but there was simply no need to speak about him after that game. The focus should have been on a terrible midfield display and Irvine understanding that tactically he got it wrong. Instead he deflects blame saying Saido had a poor game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 10, 2014, 01:54:27 PM
I have just read Irvines comments again and maybe i am been thick but i dont see where he is having a go at Berahino -

"Saido had his poorest game for us this season, but that can happen. People will ask the question of whether it's about what happened in the week but anyone can have a poor game.

"I'd like to think what happened in the week gave him a massive boost, more than anything.

"I want goals for all over the team. The only pressures on Saido should be for him to perform at his best levels as often as he can.

"He's done that throughout this season but it's vitally important goals come from players throughout the team. We have players who can do that so there shouldn't be a dependancy on him to do that."

He says he had his poorest game which i think 99% of us would agree, he then goes onto praise him saying it can happen, saying he has performed to his best all season and that we shouldnt depend on him, what is wrong with that?! He hasnt blamed Berahino, he hasnt said he didnt try, didnt do what was asked, had a bad attitude, etc he said the truth and if asked about other players would of probably said the same, its only because Saido is the man in the news at the moment his name is mentioned.

At no stage does he blame Berahino, Irivine says we were flat, lacking tempo, etc so he has acknowledged yesterday wasnt good enough, he hasnt said we played really well or were unlucky, he has admitted we were rubbish but in more words, i would rather that than the usual rubbish managers come out with, blaming refs, bad luck, etc.

Also its said he doesnt know what to do when we go behind at home, we have gone behind 4 times this season at home, twice we didnt come back (Everton and Newcastle) and twice we did (Sunderland and Palace) so thats a 50% success rate which i dont think is too bad?

I have enjoyed watching 75% of our games this season with Everton and Newcastle been the exceptions. Hopefully after yesterday where Irvine has acknowledged there was no spark he will make some alterations, he had to with Mulumbu yesterday and i bet before the game most fans would of made that change, the fact he played rubbish is easy to say in hindsight. Irvine did mess it up yesterday and hopefully will of learnt from that, prior to yesterday it would of been hard to drop midfielders based on our results, we had been on a decent run and if it aint broke, dont try and fix it, he messed up leaving Sess out and lesson learnt hopefully from that.

For me going forward i think Irvine could drop Morrison or Dorrans as they are pretty much the same player, i hope Blanco comes good and he should be given a chance but i dont see him day to day and of his cameos so far he hasnt done anything, that said he deserves a proper chance and its too early to judge him, also worth remembering he is a South American who has came from the Russia / Ukraine so may need a bit of time to adept. We havent had the option of Varela but hopefully with him been more used to european style football he will hit the ground running.

We are 13th in the league, and i doubt many other managers who would have us much better at the moment, there are only 4 teams who have scored more than us from 8th in the league down and there is only Stoke who have conceded less, with Newcastle, Hull and Liverpool the same, so despite some shockers (Swansea, Everton and Newcastle games) we have played some good football and we are maybe not the bore team we are said to be (and as i personally thought we would be, happy to be proved wrong though)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 10, 2014, 01:54:57 PM
PS - Apologies for the Italics, rubbish with computers, havent a clue what i have done!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 01:56:15 PM

We are 13th in the league, and i doubt many other managers, there are only 4 teams who have scored more than us from 8th in the league down and there is only Stoke who have conceded less, with Newcastle, Hull and Liverpool the same, so despite some shockers (Swansea, Everton and Newcastle games) we have played some good football and we are maybe not the bore team we are said to be (and as i personally thought we would be, happy to be proved wrong though)

When ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 10, 2014, 01:58:06 PM
Sunderland, Tottenham, Burnley, Man United, Crystal Palace in the 2nd half?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
From those games, I'd say we played some great football against United, Spurs too. Sunderland and Palace maybe in patches.

Despite the 4-0 against Burnley I wouldn't say it was great. I think the scoreline flatters. They're probably the worst team we will face this season and we weren't really free flowing.

Sadly, Irvine isn't the man to provide good football either. Yesterday was so dull, and I can cope with dull providing we get a result, but losing and not turning up is unnaceptable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on November 10, 2014, 02:21:21 PM
We lack width, creativity, and pace.
Apart from that we're ok!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on November 10, 2014, 02:26:32 PM
It's nothing like Megson though, we used to go at teams with pace from Roberts Hughes Koumas Dyer Kilbane etc we only shut up shop AFTER we'd taken the lead.

Father Ted Parks the bus from kick-off.

Kilbane had gone before Megson arrived. Agree with the others, particularly Dyer, he was a huge asset during the 03/04 promotion season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
We lack width, creativity, and pace.
Apart from that we're ok!!

In other words, sitting ducks. Dig in and hope for the best kind of mentality. Hopefully our friend 'own goals'  does us a few more favours before the season is out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
If we win next game everyone will again be declaring AI as the best thing since sliced bread!
No he won't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 03:01:51 PM
All I want is to be entertained, Christ  ::) if were not giving the cups a go at least play some decent football.


Thats all i ask
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 10, 2014, 03:29:42 PM
It was frustrating to watch yesterday, I thought with Gamboa coming on he may push Ameobi back but it seems as though he was told to not venture forward too much and to play the safe option.

Our play was predictable, right back to left back to left mid, come back inside and go across the pitch again just hoping something opened up or big Vic managed to get infront of his man.

After the international break he has no excuses not to use Blanco/Brown/Valera, if he doesnt use them then surely questions will be asked on our summers recruitments of foreign players.

Having Baird, Yacob, Mcauley and Gamboa on the bench was too defensive.

I read in the week he said he always wanted two strikers on the bench each game yet yesterday we only had 1. (IF thats Samaras position).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 03:32:37 PM
It was frustrating to watch yesterday, I thought with Gamboa coming on he may push Ameobi back but it seems as though he was told to not venture forward too much and to play the safe option.
Our play was predictable, right back to left back to left mid, come back inside and go across the pitch again just hoping something opened up or big Vic managed to get infront of his man.

After the international break he has no excuses not to use Blanco/Brown/Valera, if he doesnt use them then surely questions will be asked on our summers recruitments of foreign players.

Having Baird, Yacob, Mcauley and Gamboa on the bench was too defensive.

I read in the week he said he always wanted two strikers on the bench each game yet yesterday we only had 1. (IF thats Samaras position).

Gamboa provided the only bit of excitement yesterday beating a man the cutting through the middle of the park
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 10, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Seems to be alot forgetting that we came back from 2-0 the other week.
due in no small part to some generous referreing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 10, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
due in no small part to some generous referreing

Agree with that but we dominated the second half and looked a different team. It was a good response from us even though we got lucky with the decisions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 10, 2014, 04:26:47 PM
Some wont be happy until Irvine as gone, no matter what results we get.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 10, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Agree with that but we dominated the second half and looked a different team. It was a good response from us even though we got lucky with the decisions.
Really I thought we were probably less effective and certainly just as boring in the second half
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 10, 2014, 04:46:31 PM
Some wont be happy until Irvine as gone, no matter what results we get.

Indeed results are the only possible excuse for Irvine's style of football. Even with results Irvine's football is like listening to a band knowing one single tune with one single chord repeated endlessly. Yay.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 10, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
How many teams in this league play the football you expect successfully? and how many seasons in the last 35 years have albion played this entertaining football that everyone reckons we are used to playing? Don't get me wrong it was total dross yesterday but maybe a few people have some unrealistic expectations on fast flowing football we wish to see. I don't think we have the players for it really at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 10, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
How many teams in this league play the football you expect successfully? and how many seasons in the last 35 years have albion played this entertaining football that everyone reckons we are used to playing? Don't get me wrong it was total dross yesterday but maybe a few people have some unrealistic expectations on fast flowing football we wish to see. I don't think we have the players for it really at the moment.
Agree on the Albion way line , as i posted elsewhere I've enjoyed some of our neat passing even if it is across the pitch ....what i don't enjoy is 90 mins of defenders bypassing the middle with hoof balls and i suspect I'm not on my own with that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 10, 2014, 06:11:02 PM
Some wont be happy until Irvine as gone, no matter what results we get.

I have been vocal with my opinion that he deserves a fair crack at the club, forget what he has done in the past all that matters is what he has done for our club and so far I would give him a 6 out of 10 but I'm hopeful he will still be a bigger success here.

My patience is beginning to wear a little thin when it comes to the drab football I've been seeing, I think picking up points along the way has masked our poor performances somewhat. We desperately need a change of pace in midfield, with a midfield of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner in they are all too similar. We need a little more pace and trickery in there especially in the wide areas to be able to do anything going forward, I'm just a little concerned that Irvine is a little too focused on being defensive we desperately need to get the balance of the side right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 10, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
But BH he was appointed as he was supposed to be a top notch coach. I do not expect a top notch coach to continue with outmoded, outdated  football. According to supporters of his previous clubs this is his preferred modus operandi so therefore he hasnt changed in the time he has been out of the top jobs, seems unwilling or unable to change now. For somebody who comes supposedly as such a super coach i think we have a right to expect more in tandem with a more flexible approach.
 To me it was quite possibly the worst appointment since Ron Wylie!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
4 games before the villa game.Will we win a game? i expect by then we will be looking for a coach who at least wants to win a football match at home.Not like Clarke set a team up not to loose
Some of you criticise Mel but at least he got us on the edge of ours seats, with the right defensive coach he should have been given his contract period at least. Yes i know thats past but the future with this coach dont look promising. Supporters of 2 other clubs would most likely agree with me
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 10, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
4 games before the villa game.Will we win a game? i expect by then we will be looking for a coach who at least wants to win a football match at home.Not like Clarke set a team up not to loose
Some of you criticise Mel but at least he got us on the edge of ours seats, with the right defensive coach he should have been given his contract period at least. Yes i know thats past but the future with this coach dont look promising. Supporters of 2 other clubs would most likely agree with me
NO no no  mel didn't get us on the edge of our seats, he was abysmal you always knew we were not going to win, the players disliked him most fans disliked him, I just do not understand this misguided judgement of a totally useless coach, he is still out of work and will be for a long time, useless could not organise a pee up in a brewery, just looked good following clueless Clarke that's all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:22:13 PM
NO no no  mel didn't get us on the edge of our seats, he was abysmal you always knew we were not going to win, the players disliked him most fans disliked him, I just do not understand this misguided judgement of a totally useless coach, he is still out of work and will be for a long time, useless could not organise a pee up in a brewery, just looked good following clueless Clarke that's all


No you are wrong most fans loved him. and i am sure Mels time in charge with the same games played won us more points.
Irvine is at best a kids coach and thats were we got him from because nobody wanted him either apart from JP
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 10, 2014, 07:29:17 PM

No you are wrong most fans loved him. and i am sure Mels time in charge with the same games played won us more points.
Irvine is at best a kids coach and thats were we got him from because nobody wanted him either apart from JP

That's what opinions are all about, fair play to you sticking to your principles, can't agree though but hey that's what it is all about.

Where do you live in south devon? I am from maidencombe area, go to all games home and away
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 10, 2014, 07:30:26 PM
He admitted his team selection was based on the opposition, but instead of exploiting their weaknesses he neutralised our strengths.
Trying to be too clever and overthinking things.
This will be his downfall, football isn't played on paper.
Yes he has limited options, but that is more reason not to change for change's sake. He had to replace Gardner, but that should have been the only change.
By far our biggest threat is a confident and in form Berahino, so by playing Anichebe and forcing him out wide was a ridiculous decision. To then single him out for criticism is frankly bizarre.
Be a man, admit you got it wrong, learn from it and move on, don't deflect the attention onto a 21year old.

I wonder if many on here understand the irony of those five words?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 10, 2014, 07:30:39 PM
Yesterday i went to the match and got exactly what we got, the atmosphere in the ground was as lethargic as the performance .
I am not one of these people who are expecting anything unrealistic from a club as big as ours but it really is frustrating at the moment.
My major concern with our Head Coach at the moment is his total inability to affect the game with 3 subs at his disposal.
At the end of the game yesterday we were a shambles.
We missed Gardener a lot more than i thought and Morrison as a holding midfielder is atotal waste of time and to me showed how much Gardener covers his back.
Please lets try 3 at the back and use the pace we have in the full back positions, i can't believe how quick Gamboa is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:33:22 PM
That's what opinions are all about, fair play to you sticking to your principles, can't agree though but hey that's what it is all about.

Where do you live in south devon? I am from maidencombe area, go to all games home and away


I live in Exeter, i would say a higher % of Albion fans down here are Torquay based. Come on our bus next game and we can carry on this discussion over a tinnie :)
I too go to most games home and away. Sky normally scupper my plans
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2014, 08:38:41 PM
I wonder if many on here understand the irony of those five words?
By your smug and condescending reply I presume you think you are the only one clever enough. Well done.
We are allowed to post our thoughts on paper because that is our only forum. Irvine is paid to get results on the pitch. At present he is not and, I believe, it is in part due to him over analysing the opposition.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on November 10, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
v Newcastle 2nd half the worst we have played in years,sess must start hes the only player that can actually beat a man,berahino must play up front on his own,with a 5 man midfield as anthing less than 5 will be overrun by the opposition,i know it everyone else knowns it but not Irvine,newcastle wont get an easier game this season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on November 10, 2014, 09:09:12 PM
This topic is funny to read. One win and everyone starts eating humble pie, then a defeat and everyone rips into him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 09:20:17 PM
This topic is funny to read. One win and everyone starts eating humble pie, then a defeat and everyone rips into him.

Not everyone!

Read my posts and you will see my stance has never changed.

In my opinion Irvine should not have been appointed our head coach, as his style of football is very negative.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 10, 2014, 09:23:13 PM
I wonder if many on here understand the irony of those five words?

I wonder how many of our players and coaches understand the cost of attending that rubbish that was dished up sunday at £90 with travel costs from north wales was soul destroying. I expect people who earn 10s of thousands of pounds a week to show a bit of craft. not in an hurry to spend those sums every other week to get such a poor return,loosing I accept but to watch your side show little or no skill to try and win is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 09:30:39 PM
This topic is funny because he is criticised for playing direct, for playing defensive,  for playing possession, for giving the ball away, for playing Mulumbu, for not playing Mulumbu,  for playing a lone striker,  for playing two up front, for only having one plan, for not playing the new players, for playing the new players.
Its a tough job (unless done from your armchair).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 09:34:38 PM
This topic is funny because he is criticised for playing direct, for playing defensive,  for playing possession, for giving the ball away, for playing Mulumbu, for not playing Mulumbu,  for playing a lone striker,  for playing two up front, for only having one plan, for not playing the new players, for playing the new players.
Its a tough job (unless done from your armchair).

Great lets scrap the forum, opinions are obviously not welcome when sat in your armchair.

Could you let me know what qualifications are required before posting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 10, 2014, 09:37:23 PM
Common sense  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 09:39:35 PM
Common sense  ;)

So how come Oldbury is top dog?  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2014, 09:44:24 PM
So how come Oldbury is top dog?  ;D

harsh, very harsh  :o :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 10, 2014, 09:52:25 PM
By your smug and condescending reply I presume you think you are the only one clever enough. Well done.
We are allowed to post our thoughts on paper because that is our only forum. Irvine is paid to get results on the pitch. At present he is not and, I believe, it is in part due to him over analysing the opposition.

Excuse me? my post was meant to be neither smug or condescending, you don't know me, so I would appreciate you having a bit more respect & don't behave like a keyboard warrior.

I was merely trying to point out that a lot of 'experts' on here would fail to see the irony of what you posted, obviously you yourself missed it too.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Great lets scrap the forum, opinions are obviously not welcome when sat in your armchair.

Could you let me know what qualifications are required before posting.

None whatsoever and it shows  ;)

I have no problem with opinions,  just ask for them to be backed up with an ounce of evidence. If people keep trying to create Internet myths with no basis in fact then expect for it to be highlighted.

For example,  in someones opinion, in another forum we apparently have the least attacking side in the league but only 11 sides have scored more goals than us?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 10, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
I wonder how many of our players and coaches understand the cost of attending that rubbish that was dished up sunday at £90 with travel costs from north wales was soul destroying. I expect people who earn 10s of thousands of pounds a week to show a bit of craft. not in an hurry to spend those sums every other week to get such a poor return,loosing I accept but to watch your side show little or no skill to try and win is unacceptable.

Why did you highlight my post & then reply with something not remotely like a response to that post?

We all pay what we pay to watch the Albion, if you don't like the product, don't go, there's no obligation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 10, 2014, 10:09:46 PM
Why did you highlight my post & then reply with something not remotely like a response to that post?

We all pay what we pay to watch the Albion, if you don't like the product, don't go, there's no obligation.

And if you don't like what you see in the pitch, you are free to say so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 10, 2014, 10:10:14 PM
Excuse me? my post was meant to be neither smug or condescending, you don't know me, so I would appreciate you having a bit more respect & don't behave like a keyboard warrior.

I was merely trying to point out that a lot of 'experts' on here would fail to see the irony of what you posted, obviously you yourself missed it too.
It is disrespectful to insinuate that both myself and most posters are not smart enough to see your perceived irony. Whether you meant it that way or not that is how it came across.
I am no keyboard warrior, you don't know me either but saw fit to pick out and highlight a section of my post, so I responded.
I think that's fair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 10:12:47 PM
None whatsoever and it shows  ;)

I have no problem with opinions,  just ask for them to be backed up with an ounce of evidence. If people keep trying to create Internet myths with no basis in fact then expect for it to be highlighted.

For example,  in someones opinion, in another forum we apparently have the least attacking side in the league but only 11 sides have scored more goals than us?

In My opinion our midfield lacks creativity and pace, would you disagree?

Irvine tries to set up a side that is difficult to break down, however when at home against the likes of Crystal Palace and Newcastle we should take the game to them from the off.

We only seem to open upon once we go a goal down.

We allow teams to become to comfortable.




Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on November 10, 2014, 10:15:53 PM
Hes playing 4 midfielders who cannot go past a player. Not any player in the team apart from Sess has that quality of running at players. Berahino cannot do it ethier hes only good with grass infront of him, but a defender there and he offers nothing!

We have no width or pace or flair in all areas and look at the better teams they have players who can!

Sissoko yesterday was brilliant at driving forward, you look at Downing at West Ham and he drives the team forward by running with the ball!

Not ONE albion player did that yesterday!

Totally agree with your analysis, unfortunately :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
In My opinion our midfield lacks creativity and pace, would you disagree?

Irvine tries to set up a side that is difficult to break down, however when at home against the likes of Crystal Palace and Newcastle we should take the game to them from the off.

We only seem to open upon once we go a goal down.

We allow teams to become to comfortable.
Our current favoured midfield I would be inclined to agree with pace but not creativity. Some of our passing is exquisite and all have put defence splitting passes through this season and the goals for column would suggest we are more creative than some teams. They are not more creative than some players in the league but that is why they are at West Brom and not Chelsea or Man City,  people have to be realistic and accept that.

There was a spell in the Premier League when all clubs seemed set up to attack and it was refreshing but most sides of our stature seem to have gone back to not losing before attacking. Sadly symptomatic of the need to stay in the greed league.

Have you seen Newcastles current form? To expect a result against them is slightly disrespectful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 10:36:43 PM
Our current favoured midfield I would be inclined to agree with pace but not creativity. Some of our passing is exquisite and all have put defence splitting passes through this season and the goals for column would suggest we are more creative than some teams. They are not more creative than some players in the league but that is why they are at West Brom and not Chelsea or Man City,  people have to be realistic and accept that.

There was a spell in the Premier League when all clubs seemed set up to attack and it was refreshing but most sides of our stature seem to have gone back to not losing before attacking. Sadly symptomatic of the need to stay in the greed league.

Have you seen Newcastles current form? To expect a result against them is slightly disrespectful.

I never said I expect a result against anyone, what I said is we should be on the front foot from the off when at home.

We simply allow most teams to much time to settle and seem to try and grind out a result.

Personally I come away from games having not been entertained.

You may not think I am qualified to give an opinion however I am not enjoying the match day experience with Irvine in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 10, 2014, 10:46:05 PM
I never said I expect a result against anyone, what I said is we should be on the front foot from the off when at home.

We simply allow most teams to much time to settle and seem to try and grind out a result.

Personally I come away from games having not been entertained.

You may not think I am qualified to give an opinion however I am not enjoying the match day experience with Irvine in charge.

Strange that Peace harps on at every close season that works will get underway at the stadium to 'improve the match day experience'. Some good fancy flooring and lovely painted walls is are fans are falling asleep in the stands! The biggest way to improve the match day experience is playing a good brand of football and we are far from doing so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 10:54:23 PM
I never said I expect a result against anyone, what I said is we should be on the front foot from the off when at home.

We simply allow most teams to much time to settle and seem to try and grind out a result.

Personally I come away from games having not been entertained.

You may not think I am qualified to give an opinion however I am not enjoying the match day experience with Irvine in charge.
At no point have I said anything about your qualification to give an opinion just pointed out that there is no need for qualification to have an opinion and in some posters it shows (And I wouldn't suggest that you were in that category).

I have said previously that I do not on occasion enjoy the match day experience but do not necessarily put that down to Alan Irvine but the direction that football has been heading for a number of years.

Out of interest, when did you last enjoy the match day experience?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 10, 2014, 11:01:23 PM
It is disrespectful to insinuate that both myself and most posters are not smart enough to see your perceived irony. Whether you meant it that way or not that is how it came across.
I am no keyboard warrior, you don't know me either but saw fit to pick out and highlight a section of my post, so I responded.
I think that's fair.

Read it again, it was a rhetorical question & please don't put words into my mouth, I used the word 'many' not most & I didn't suggest you are not smart enough so sorry if you chose to be offended by it but it still doesn't give you the right to respond in such an aggressive manner.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 10, 2014, 11:02:21 PM
Why did you highlight my post & then reply with something not remotely like a response to that post?

We all pay what we pay to watch the Albion, if you don't like the product, don't go, there's no obligation.

because I can.
I agree.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 10, 2014, 11:04:35 PM
And if you don't like what you see in the pitch, you are free to say so.

Oh dear............ please read previous posts to the ones you respond to & that way you (hopefully) wont take them out of context. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 10, 2014, 11:06:42 PM
At no point have I said anything about your qualification to give an opinion just pointed out that there is no need for qualification to have an opinion and in some posters it shows (And I wouldn't suggest that you were in that category).

I have said previously that I do not on occasion enjoy the match day experience but do not necessarily put that down to Alan Irvine but the direction that football has been heading for a number of years.

Out of interest, when did you last enjoy the match day experience?

I think it was 1982!   :P

The style of football is important to me.

I run an under 16 team and play with two out and out wingers / wing backs, I get more enjoyment out of watching them than I do watching us simply trying to survive every season playing as we do.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 10, 2014, 11:33:35 PM
Wow You boys are hormonal tonight  :D is it that time of the month again ?, seriously though while we play this style of football our fanbase will always be split in favour and against, Its dull but I'm hoping he's learnt alot from yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 11, 2014, 01:16:22 AM
Oh dear............ please read previous posts to the ones you respond to & that way you (hopefully) wont take them out of context.

My comment was a protest against how you always argue against people who dare criticize the team, rather than argue against the argument put forward. You never involve yourself in discussions. All you do is snipe at people daring to voice an opinion. You never argue against the arguments, you argue, indirectly, that others are inherently wrong to put forward their opinion in the first place (presumably because you don't agree with it). I never see you make a counter argument so people can compare your reasoning to the argument put forward, I see you insinuating and undermining in general rather than being clear and specific. If you disagree, say so and explain why. That would be much more interesting. Then we could have an interesting discussion and learn how the other person sees things and why.

Now all I get from you is that you don't seem to like these discussions, but I don't know why really. You have said in the past that you have some football background and you don't like to discuss these things, which is fine. But then please don't insinuate without putting forward a clear context for your thinking, because as Seteefeet said, it just makes you come across as smug and condescending. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 11, 2014, 01:22:10 AM
Only yesterday Bob,what about last week,by now he should be realising that we aint very good at stopping teams breaking us down,we have conceded at least 2 goals in quite a few games now.
Sitting back is creating more problems and stopping the players getting some confidence from playing more positive football in my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 11, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
My comment was a protest against how you always argue against people who dare criticize the team, rather than argue against the argument put forward. You never involve yourself in discussions. All you do is snipe at people daring to voice an opinion. You never argue against the arguments, you argue, indirectly, that others are inherently wrong to put forward their opinion in the first place (presumably because you don't agree with it). I never see you make a counter argument so people can compare your reasoning to the argument put forward, I see you insinuating and undermining in general rather than being clear and specific. If you disagree, say so and explain why. That would be much more interesting. Then we could have an interesting discussion and learn how the other person sees things and why.

Now all I get from you is that you don't seem to like these discussions, but I don't know why really. You have said in the past that you have some football background and you don't like to discuss these things, which is fine. But then please don't insinuate without putting forward a clear context for your thinking, because as Seteefeet said, it just makes you come across as smug and condescending.

Thanks for your instructions on how I should post, I've made a mental note of it (sorry if that came across as condescending) for the record, I tend to get involved in debate with members who I feel have a similar appreciation of all things West Bromwich Albion but more importantly football in general.

I don't read your post's as I feel a lot of the time they are just full of sound bites & jargon I don't comprehend as a football fan, please don't feel the need to reply, oh & you'll probably find that seteefeet is big enough to stick up for himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 11, 2014, 01:55:36 AM
Thanks for your instructions on how I should post, I've made a mental note of it (sorry if that came across as condescending) for the record, I tend to get involved in debate with members who I feel have a similar appreciation of all things West Bromwich Albion but more importantly football in general.

I don't read your post's as I feel a lot of the time they are just full of sound bites & jargon I don't comprehend as a football fan, please don't feel the need to reply, oh & you'll probably find that seteefeet is big enough to stick up for himself.

Well there you go again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 11, 2014, 07:37:36 AM
The most amazing thing to me is that Irvine was a winger, yet he sets his teams up to play narrow with no natural width.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 11, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
The most amazing thing to me is that Irvine was a winger, yet he sets his teams up to play narrow with no natural width.



i suppose similar could be said about Tony Mowbray.
I dearly hope we see some football in the coming weeks, if it dont improve i might just stick to away games because home games is like watching paint dry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 11, 2014, 09:49:59 AM


i suppose similar could be said about Tony Mowbray.
I dearly hope we see some football in the coming weeks, if it dont improve i might just stick to away games because home games is like watching paint dry
Know quite a few that do that now and can't blame them even before Irvine came, Cracking dayout vocal support and seeing a different part of the country I don't blame them at all, I still enjoy home games however if we saw a pattern of Sunday's performances I might rethink.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 11, 2014, 10:42:27 AM
The most amazing thing to me is that Irvine was a winger, yet he sets his teams up to play narrow with no natural width.
the most amazing thing to me is that Irvine is our manager!!! :( :( >:( >:( :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on November 11, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
The most amazing thing to me is that Irvine was a winger, yet he sets his teams up to play narrow with no natural width.

Tony Mowbray was a centre half yet his teams could't defend for toffee
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 11, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Tony Mowbray was a centre half yet his teams could't defend for toffee
Mowbray always admitted though that he was a frustrated forward and that was the reason for his playing style.
Irvine keeps talking about a need for width, but does not back it up. Maybe Varela will be our saviour.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 11, 2014, 03:05:31 PM
Tony Mowbray was a centre half yet his teams could't defend for toffee

Same as Denis Smith
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on November 11, 2014, 03:42:19 PM
The problem for me is that the football from us is mind numbingly boring to watch. I am an Albion fan. I don't expect to win every week. But I do like to be entertained and on Sunday there wasn't one single moment of excitement where we even looked remotely like scoring, or a single fast break which got me out of my seat. We were so narrow, so slow, it was easy for a very average side to play us off the park, and it made me very annoyed. But I guess this is all we can expect from AI. He moans about lack of width and lack of intensity, as we all do, the difference being that it is in his power to do something about it but he won't because he believes that this dross is the way to get results. Unfortunately he has been proved right in this respect a few times this season because the luck has gone our way and this will only cement his belief, but the luck will run out and then we are in trouble. I really don't want to see us relegated but I believe we are in deep trouble despite our current position and  I'm not at all convinced that there are 3 teams worse than us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 11, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
The problem for me is that the football from us is mind numbingly boring to watch. I am an Albion fan. I don't expect to win every week. But I do like to be entertained and on Sunday there wasn't one single moment of excitement where we even looked remotely like scoring, or a single fast break which got me out of my seat. We were so narrow, so slow, it was easy for a very average side to play us off the park, and it made me very annoyed. But I guess this is all we can expect from AI. He moans about lack of width and lack of intensity, as we all do, the difference being that it is in his power to do something about it but he won't because he believes that this dross is the way to get results. Unfortunately he has been proved right in this respect a few times this season because the luck has gone our way and this will only cement his belief, but the luck will run out and then we are in trouble. I really don't want to see us relegated but I believe we are in deep trouble despite our current position and  I'm not at all convinced that there are 3 teams worse than us.

It defies logic that wins are due to luck and losses aren't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 11, 2014, 04:36:28 PM
It defies logic that wins are due to luck and losses aren't.

There is nothing logical about chance/chaos. It is the element of unpredictability that allows for lesser teams to sometimes win against better teams. The reason the teams have formed into a league to play a set number of games is to determine which team is the best one over time. The time factor eliminates luck and chance and balances more towards skill over... time.

Leicester scored an own goal in our favour (lucky bounce). Newcastle scored an outrageous back heel against us (combination luck/skill as he won't score many goals like that in his career). This was unlucky for us and once we are behind we will always struggle to come back.

West Brom have conceded at least twice in their last seven Premier League home defeats.

The Baggies have not won any of the last 24 Premier League home games that they have conceded a goal in.


That last one is a rather shocking stat isn't it. Score a goal against us at home and we simply don't win the game. Also we are leaking goals at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 11, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
Our home form has not been the best for some time now. I think Steve Clarke got the balance right early in his reign when we were winning games at home while playing good football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 11, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
That last stat is truely shocking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 11, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
There is nothing logical about chance/chaos. It is the element of unpredictability that allows for lesser teams to sometimes win against better teams. The reason the teams have formed into a league to play a set number of games is to determine which team is the best one over time. The time factor eliminates luck and chance and balances more towards skill over... time.

Leicester scored an own goal in our favour (lucky bounce). Newcastle scored an outrageous back heel against us (combination luck/skill as he won't score many goals like that in his career). This was unlucky for us and once we are behind we will always struggle to come back.

I think that's far from a thorough examination of all possible "luck" in all our games. Are we still blaming Irvine for the Everton goals?


West Brom have conceded at least twice in their last seven Premier League home defeats.

Which means only that the score hasn't been 0-1 in any of those seven games. I don't find that meaningful.


The Baggies have not won any of the last 24 Premier League home games that they have conceded a goal in.

That last one is a rather shocking stat isn't it. Score a goal against us at home and we simply don't win the game. Also we are leaking goals at home.

Ah yes, the "home games in which a goal was conceded" table. Here's last year with only our bottom-half rivals (I didn't feel it was worth my time to find out that Manchester City did better at home than us):

                 W  D  L    PPG
Villa            4  1 10   0.867
Cardiff          3  3  9   0.800
Crystal Palace   2  2  8   0.667
Albion           0  9  6   0.600
West Ham         2  1  9   0.583
Norwich          1  3  7   0.545
Swansea          1  4  8   0.538
Hull             1  2  8   0.455
Fulham           1  3 11   0.400
Sunderland       1  1 11   0.308


That 0 in our win column is shocking? No more so than the 6 in our loss column. It's an example of an obscure statistic taken out of context. We did better than most comparable clubs in home games in which we conceded a goal.

All this reminds me of this post (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=8955.msg188626#msg188626). I really think you should examine these factoids before you attach much significance to them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on November 11, 2014, 07:57:23 PM
I think that's far from a thorough examination of all possible "luck" in all our games. Are we still blaming Irvine for the Everton goals?


Which means only that the score hasn't been 0-1 in any of those seven games. I don't find that meaningful.


Ah yes, the "home games in which a goal was conceded" table. Here's last year with only our bottom-half rivals (I didn't feel it was worth my time to find out that Manchester City did better at home than us):

                 W  D  L    PPG
Villa            4  1 10   0.867
Cardiff          3  3  9   0.800
Crystal Palace   2  2  8   0.667
Albion           0  9  6   0.600
West Ham         2  1  9   0.583
Norwich          1  3  7   0.545
Swansea          1  4  8   0.538
Hull             1  2  8   0.455
Fulham           1  3 11   0.400
Sunderland       1  1 11   0.308


That 0 in our win column is shocking? No more so than the 6 in our loss column. It's an example of an obscure statistic taken out of context. We did better than most comparable clubs in home games in which we conceded a goal.

All this reminds me of this post (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=8955.msg188626#msg188626). I really think you should examine these factoids before you attach much significance to them.
So what you seem to be suggesting is that we are doing fine really, all things considered, yes?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 11, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
So what you seem to be suggesting is that we are doing fine really, all things considered, yes?

Not fine. I'd like it to get better. I don't think we are playing substantially better than a relegation-zone club. I just have a problem with attributing wins to luck and losses to Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 11, 2014, 08:10:36 PM
Out of those teams Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham are no longer in the Prem. That's three team out of ten. Then we have a couple that clearly are doing ok this year West Ham and Swansea and apart from that we are left with the borderline scrap like us, Villa and Sunderland. Also every single one of the teams in that list won more home games than we did last year (4). We won 3 games away. There clearly is room for a lot of improvement.

The previous season we won 9 games at home (and finished 8th despite our appalling run of form that continues to this day starting that winter), mostly due to our fantastic start to the season I guess.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 11, 2014, 08:15:46 PM
From what i have seen so far this season i have come up with the following conclusions about AI:

The players look fitter than they have for a while,
we can pass and keep  the ball better ( across the park most of the time),
Our defense looks better, but it had to with proper full backs in it.
We have no width at all in our play.
We may as well have a empty bench the use it is with our substitutions during the game.
We have a game plan and if it isn't working we don't have the ability to change it.

Marks out of 10 for him so far = 6

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on November 11, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Not fine. I'd like it to get better. I don't think we are playing substantially better than a relegation-zone club. I just have a problem with attributing wins to luck and losses to Alan Irvine.
I suppose the point is that luck (as any poker player will tell you) isn't consistent in the way it works. Overall this season I think we have had more than our fair share of luck and this will balance out at some point. When this happens we are in the poo. I don't just blame AI, I think he is only a small part of the overall problem with the club, but he is responsible for picking the side, preparing the side, motivating the side, and setting up how the side plays, so I don't think it is surprising that people have a pop when we are served up the garbage we had to endure on Sunday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 11, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
I would take any bit of luck that goes our way against Chelski. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 11, 2014, 08:39:39 PM
Really get the feeling this will be a season similar to Hodgsons, aka some excellent performances on the road, but pretty dismal at home!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 11, 2014, 09:55:12 PM
Really get the feeling this will be a season similar to Hodgsons, aka some excellent performances on the road, but pretty dismal at home!

I'll have two pints of what you've just had please  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on November 12, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
I'm a ST holder and I haven't seen us win a home game live since we beat West Ham last April (I declined to travel down from the north west for our demolition of championship standard Burnley). The weekend was a shambles and our home form for the past 15 months has been and is shocking. We stink of a relegation team. The only question for me is will we be in the bottom three or bottom six.

The following sides are nailed on to finish above us: Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Stoke, West Ham, Swansea, Liverpool, Newcastle.

We will finish above Burnley.

That leaves two of us, Sunderland, Hull, Villa, Palace, Leicester and QPR to be relegated which mathematically lives us with at least a 28.57% chance of relegation. QPR Have an expensive team and Redknapp will spend in January if needs be, they are already improving after a terrible start. Villa always seem to sqeak home. Taking just two teams out off the above list increasing our relegation odds to 40%!

Disturbingly we have already played Burnley, Sunderland & Palace at home but could only muster 4/9 pts.

It's no good Irvine bemoaning a lack of drive or intensity when he fills the bench with defensive players. Clarke who gets far too much stick on here always has plenty of attacking options on the bench, as you would expect as it's common sense!

Interesting to see Idaye Brown defending himself as we'll - the longer he is out of the team the lower his confidence will sink.

Also is any other fan sick and tired of professional employees missing the bleeding obvious?

I.e. Statistically we never win without Sess, I don't think we've won a single game he hasn't started since he signed? Secondly Anichebe always contributes from the bench nut is terrible when started from the off. Faced with those two FACTS our highly paid head coach and assistants start with Anichebe and then subb Sess and put him on the wing late on when we all know he needs to be running at the back four in the hole.

It's all so frustrating I could scream - and to think its only November. How many more clueless decisions are we to endure? Plenty I suspect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on November 12, 2014, 08:19:53 AM
I'm a ST holder and I haven't seen us win a home game live since we beat West Ham last April (I declined to travel down from the north west for our demolition of championship standard Burnley). The weekend was a shambles and our home form for the past 15 months has been and is shocking. We stink of a relegation team. The only question for me is will we be in the bottom three or bottom six.

The following sides are nailed on to finish above us: Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Stoke, West Ham, Swansea, Liverpool, Newcastle.

We will finish above Burnley.

That leaves two of us, Sunderland, Hull, Villa, Palace, Leicester and QPR to be relegated which mathematically lives us with at least a 28.57% chance of relegation. QPR Have an expensive team and Redknapp will spend in January if needs be, they are already improving after a terrible start. Villa always seem to sqeak home. Taking just two teams out off the above list increasing our relegation odds to 40%!

Disturbingly we have already played Burnley, Sunderland & Palace at home but could only muster 4/9 pts.

It's no good Irvine bemoaning a lack of drive or intensity when he fills the bench with defensive players. Clarke who gets far too much stick on here always has plenty of attacking options on the bench, as you would expect as it's common sense!

Interesting to see Idaye Brown defending himself as we'll - the longer he is out of the team the lower his confidence will sink.

Also is any other fan sick and tired of professional employees missing the bleeding obvious?

I.e. Statistically we never win without Sess, I don't think we've won a single game he hasn't started since he signed? Secondly Anichebe always contributes from the bench nut is terrible when started from the off. Faced with those two FACTS our highly paid head coach and assistants start with Anichebe and then subb Sess and put him on the wing late on when we all know he needs to be running at the back four in the hole.

It's all so frustrating I could scream - and to think its only November. How many more clueless decisions are we to endure? Plenty I suspect.

Great post mate, spot on! Does anyone know if Lepkowski & Swain read the comments on this forum?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2014, 08:57:10 AM
I'm a ST holder and I haven't seen us win a home game live since we beat West Ham last April (I declined to travel down from the north west for our demolition of championship standard Burnley). The weekend was a shambles and our home form for the past 15 months has been and is shocking. We stink of a relegation team. The only question for me is will we be in the bottom three or bottom six.

The following sides are nailed on to finish above us: Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Stoke, West Ham, Swansea, Liverpool, Newcastle.

We will finish above Burnley.

That leaves two of us, Sunderland, Hull, Villa, Palace, Leicester and QPR to be relegated which mathematically lives us with at least a 28.57% chance of relegation. QPR Have an expensive team and Redknapp will spend in January if needs be, they are already improving after a terrible start. Villa always seem to sqeak home. Taking just two teams out off the above list increasing our relegation odds to 40%!

Disturbingly we have already played Burnley, Sunderland & Palace at home but could only muster 4/9 pts.

It's no good Irvine bemoaning a lack of drive or intensity when he fills the bench with defensive players. Clarke who gets far too much stick on here always has plenty of attacking options on the bench, as you would expect as it's common sense!

Interesting to see Idaye Brown defending himself as we'll - the longer he is out of the team the lower his confidence will sink.

Also is any other fan sick and tired of professional employees missing the bleeding obvious?

I.e. Statistically we never win without Sess, I don't think we've won a single game he hasn't started since he signed? Secondly Anichebe always contributes from the bench nut is terrible when started from the off. Faced with those two FACTS our highly paid head coach and assistants start with Anichebe and then subb Sess and put him on the wing late on when we all know he needs to be running at the back four in the hole.

It's all so frustrating I could scream - and to think its only November. How many more clueless decisions are we to endure? Plenty I suspect.



Same here i have not seen us win since West Ham. If home performances dont improve like i said yesterday i will go to most away games instead and sell my home seat for selective games. I am not coming away feeling deflated and depressed about how we are playing for much longer
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 12, 2014, 09:02:15 AM
From what i have seen so far this season i have come up with the following conclusions about AI:

The players look fitter than they have for a while,
we can pass and keep  the ball better ( across the park most of the time),
Our defense looks better, but it had to with proper full backs in it.
We have no width at all in our play.
We may as well have a empty bench the use it is with our substitutions during the game.
We have a game plan and if it isn't working we don't have the ability to change it.

Marks out of 10 for him so far = 6

This exactly mirrors my feelings on Irvine, the net effect of the lack of substitutions is problems like Mulumbu and Brown being off the pace and lacking in confidence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 12, 2014, 09:04:31 AM


Same here i have not seen us win since West Ham. If home performances dont improve like i said yesterday i will go to most away games instead and sell my home seat. I am not coming away feeling deflated and depressed about how we are playing for much longer

One of the advantages of moving to Essex is that I don't bother with home games anymore, much rather go away. If we don't win, then I can just drink my self into a happy state  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 12, 2014, 09:18:32 AM
I'm a ST holder and I haven't seen us win a home game live since we beat West Ham last April (I declined to travel down from the north west for our demolition of championship standard Burnley). The weekend was a shambles and our home form for the past 15 months has been and is shocking. We stink of a relegation team. The only question for me is will we be in the bottom three or bottom six.

The following sides are nailed on to finish above us: Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd, Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Stoke, West Ham, Swansea, Liverpool, Newcastle.

We will finish above Burnley.

That leaves two of us, Sunderland, Hull, Villa, Palace, Leicester and QPR to be relegated which mathematically lives us with at least a 28.57% chance of relegation. QPR Have an expensive team and Redknapp will spend in January if needs be, they are already improving after a terrible start. Villa always seem to sqeak home. Taking just two teams out off the above list increasing our relegation odds to 40%!

Disturbingly we have already played Burnley, Sunderland & Palace at home but could only muster 4/9 pts.

It's no good Irvine bemoaning a lack of drive or intensity when he fills the bench with defensive players. Clarke who gets far too much stick on here always has plenty of attacking options on the bench, as you would expect as it's common sense!

Interesting to see Idaye Brown defending himself as we'll - the longer he is out of the team the lower his confidence will sink.

Also is any other fan sick and tired of professional employees missing the bleeding obvious?

I.e. Statistically we never win without Sess, I don't think we've won a single game he hasn't started since he signed? Secondly Anichebe always contributes from the bench nut is terrible when started from the off. Faced with those two FACTS our highly paid head coach and assistants start with Anichebe and then subb Sess and put him on the wing late on when we all know he needs to be running at the back four in the hole.

It's all so frustrating I could scream - and to think its only November. How many more clueless decisions are we to endure? Plenty I suspect.

Pretty much how most of us feel deep down, so disappointing, 9/10 times i come away from the hawthorns down in the dumps, something needs to change.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 12, 2014, 09:20:30 AM
I'll have two pints of what you've just had please  ;D
It's more to do with less pressure and expectancy, we tend to be more solid away from home and this is why i can see us doing better on the road this year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 12, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
I think Irvine will be a disaster.  The only thing that can save him is good players, but there doesn't seem to be much action there at the moment.  I'm not on his case, I just have an opinion.

*Apparently* we used to break the season down into blocks of 10 games to enable us to judge performance.  This season I would say lets take the 1st 11 games.  (There's a couple of difficult ones after that, so I'm being kind.)  There's 7 peer teams in there, plus 2 we should be aspiring to compete with and 2 we wont be competing with.  So after 11 games I would like 15 points.  We will need to be around that level for the 1st 3rd (ish) of the season judging from our run in. 
- Anything less than 11 is abject failure. 
- Between 11 and 15, you make a judgement call on whether things are improving or going downwards. 
- 15 or more than you're on course or better.

11 games take us up to early November.  Make a decision then.  If we need to replace Irvine we can do our due dithering and get someone in before Christmas...

13 points from 11 games.  Much better than I expected.  Some positives.  Some negatives.

Positives
We're a lot more organised.  Lescott looks effective (in fact I was feeling positive about the back 4 for a while, but conceding 2 at home every game isn't going to work).  Berahino - I wasn't expecting his start to the season - let's hope he stays focussed.  13 points.

Negatives
('1st choice' defenders excepted) the new signings have failed to have any impact after 3 months (maybe a symptom of signing so late in the window).  Ideye, Samaras, Davidson, Gamboa, Baird have had no impact.  Varela - the same, but maybe injury has stopped him (maybe wishful thinking).  Blanco has looked decent in the cup games I've seen... but didn't make the bench on Saturday, when we desperately needed someone to change the game.  Gardner - I think he flatters to deceive - he runs around and is very busy, but to very little effect - the new Andy Johnson.  The midfield on Saturday was the same that played for most of the last promotion season, 5 years ago - where is the progression?  Without Berahino's goals where would we be?  What has happened to the pillars on which our team was built - Mulumbu, Yacob, McCauley and Olsson?

I have very mixed feelings still.  I'm a long way for calling for Irvine to go, but I think he has to demonstrate that he can build an attacking element into the team, and we really need to improve the home team before I'll properly want to get behind him.  We are workman like and predictable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 12, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
13 points from 11 games.  Much better than I expected.  Some positives.  Some negatives.

Positives
We're a lot more organised.  Lescott looks effective (in fact I was feeling positive about the back 4 for a while, but conceding 2 at home every game isn't going to work).  Berahino - I wasn't expecting his start to the season - let's hope he stays focussed.  13 points.

Negatives
('1st choice' defenders excepted) the new signings have failed to have any impact after 3 months (maybe a symptom of signing so late in the window).  Ideye, Samaras, Davidson, Gamboa, Baird have had no impact.  Varela - the same, but maybe injury has stopped him (maybe wishful thinking).  Blanco has looked decent in the cup games I've seen... but didn't make the bench on Saturday, when we desperately needed someone to change the game.  Gardner - I think he flatters to deceive - he runs around and is very busy, but to very little effect - the new Andy Johnson.  The midfield on Saturday was the same that played for most of the last promotion season, 5 years ago - where is the progression?  Without Berahino's goals where would we be?  What has happened to the pillars on which our team was built - Mulumbu, Yacob, McCauley and Olsson?

I have very mixed feelings still.  I'm a long way for calling for Irvine to go, but I think he has to demonstrate that he can build an attacking element into the team, and we really need to improve the home team before I'll properly want to get behind him.  We are workman like and predictable.
good post but who really expected baird and samaras to have an impact,2 very poor additions in my eye.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 12, 2014, 10:47:42 AM
good post but who really expected baird and samaras to have an impact,2 very poor additions in my eye.

I didn't, and it speaks volumes that Baird and Samaras were selected for the bench ahead of Ideye and Blanco...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 12, 2014, 10:51:20 AM
I didn't, and it speaks volumes that Baird and Samaras were selected for the bench ahead of Ideye and Blanco...

Can't quite get my head around having both Baird and Yacob on the bench. Baird is taking up a space for a more creative player
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 12, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Can't quite get my head around having both Baird and Yacob on the bench. Baird is taking up a space for a more creative player

Tells me all I need to know about the style of football he wants the team to play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 12, 2014, 10:58:25 AM
Hopefully we will get to see Varela soon, training game behind closed doors today including most of the summer signings.

If everyone is fit and we're not doing well Irvine has no excuse. Sadly he will keep banging out the same lines that the players are 'not quite where we want them to be'

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/varela-steps-up-fitness-pursuit-2077400.aspx
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 12, 2014, 11:06:54 AM
Tells me all I need to know about the style of football he wants the team to play.
Its quite obvious how he wants the team to play but we aint that good at that either, with nearly a 3rd of the season gone I expect this to be the way he will carry on setting us up. this will be one long hard season and could set us back years if we go down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 12, 2014, 11:53:59 AM
It's more to do with less pressure and expectancy, we tend to be more solid away from home and this is why i can see us doing better on the road this year.
Irvine sets up teams well away from home, because you can afford to be more cautious. Let's face it he would take 0-0 every week away. The problem is, he does not seem to have the guts to try and win at home, if anything he is even more cautious.
Our only decent performances at home have been Burnley, any team would fancy beating them, so confidence was up and Man Utd. where we had nothing to lose as expectations were low.
Not just Irvine though, let's face it there is a nervous air about the Hawthorns, has been for 18 months and everyone is affected, management, players and fans alike.
Just wish he could see that if he threw off the shackles and had a real go, we would accept defeats, but defeats like Sunday will simply seal his fate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 12, 2014, 12:40:08 PM
Hopefully we will get to see Varela soon, training game behind closed doors today including most of the summer signings.

If everyone is fit and we're not doing well Irvine has no excuse. Sadly he will keep banging out the same lines that the players are 'not quite where we want them to be'

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/varela-steps-up-fitness-pursuit-2077400.aspx
Sorry, but this seems like fitness by numbers to me. Is someone who is fully fit, but rubbish, better to have on the bench than someone who is 'not quite there', but may actually have an impact.
I think this is why he is rated so highly as a coach because he is obviously knowledgeable and up to date with the latest techniques and trends. Sadly I fear, he lacks the initiative, instinct and bravery that you need to be a top manager.
After all, the only stat that will keep him in a job will not be delivered by GPS, but by Sky Sports News when they show the league table!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 12, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Is it really necessary to keep attributing Irvine's motivation to cowardice? Knowing his extensive preparation, it's vastly more likely that he has specific reasons for choosing players. We don't know what they are, unfortunately, but they undoubtedly exist. I doubt anyone here has enough regular contact with Irvine to glean some direct insight into his personal courage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on November 13, 2014, 09:58:56 AM

“Brown gives us one option – that’s to replace Saido if Saido has got a problem, but I think if I leave Saido out people might say ‘you are an idiot’.”

Yes, correct, you are an idiot....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 13, 2014, 10:07:44 AM
Brown should be on the bench, and if Saido is ineffective, as he was on Sunday, then take him off and put Brown on
Ooops sorry I forgot only Dorrans and Sess allowed to be subbed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 13, 2014, 10:55:10 AM
Is it really necessary to keep attributing Irvine's motivation to cowardice? Knowing his extensive preparation, it's vastly more likely that he has specific reasons for choosing players. We don't know what they are, unfortunately, but they undoubtedly exist. I doubt anyone here has enough regular contact with Irvine to glean some direct insight into his personal courage.

I don't see a problem with it.  The man is the personification of timidity.  From team selection to style of play to press conferences where he talks solely about stopping the opposition. He's got no guts in a footballing sense. Can you imagine him making 3 substitutions at half time ala Mourinho irrespective of how badly his game plan has turned out? I can't.

This latest thing about red zones if another joke statement an absolute farcical thing to come out with, a pathetic excuse.  Daniel Sturridge resumed training  yesterday after  an 8 week layoff.  He'll at least be on the bench next Pl weekend guaranteed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 13, 2014, 11:11:52 AM
“Brown gives us one option – that’s to replace Saido if Saido has got a problem, but I think if I leave Saido out people might say ‘you are an idiot’.”
Bobby, unsurprisingly perhaps, seems to see things differently from the head coach:

"Ideye is also convinced that he can play alongside England new boy Saido Berahino, with Victor Anichebe being favoured at present.

He added: “It’s unfortunate he has made more time than me. Both of us play the same role but we can play together, I don’t have a problem with that. We have pace, we’re strong and we can cause problems to defences. That is what every coach wants
.”"

Source: Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9562383/transfer-news-brown-ideye-concerned-by-lack-of-west-brom-game-time)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 13, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
Bobby, unsurprisingly perhaps, seems to see things differently from the head coach:

"Ideye is also convinced that he can play alongside England new boy Saido Berahino, with Victor Anichebe being favoured at present.

He added: “It’s unfortunate he has made more time than me. Both of us play the same role but we can play together, I don’t have a problem with that. We have pace, we’re strong and we can cause problems to defences. That is what every coach wants
.”"

Source: Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9562383/transfer-news-brown-ideye-concerned-by-lack-of-west-brom-game-time)
Bit of trouble brewing if you ask me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 13, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
Is it really necessary to keep attributing Irvine's motivation to cowardice? Knowing his extensive preparation, it's vastly more likely that he has specific reasons for choosing players. We don't know what they are, unfortunately, but they undoubtedly exist. I doubt anyone here has enough regular contact with Irvine to glean some direct insight into his personal courage.
If we did it, wouldn't be a forum would it, it would be a Q&A with Alan Irvine.
My opinion is that he lacks a bit of bravery, I don't claim to have a direct insight into his personal courage, I can only speak about what I see on the pitch, the same as most people on here.
No one doubts his meticulous approach to preparation, but there comes a time where you have to take a risk. Granted, in the high pressure environment he works in, risks are accentuated and can go very wrong so caution is understandable, but at present he is at risk of going down with a whimper.
I don't even want him to go, I don't think another change at this point would do any good, I just want him to release the shackles a bit, especially at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 13, 2014, 11:48:53 AM
If we did it, wouldn't be a forum would it, it would be a Q&A with Alan Irvine.
My opinion is that he lacks a bit of bravery, I don't claim to have a direct insight into his personal courage, I can only speak about what I see on the pitch, the same as most people on here.
No one doubts his meticulous approach to preparation, but there comes a time where you have to take a risk. Granted, in the high pressure environment he works in, risks are accentuated and can go very wrong so caution is understandable, but at present he is at risk of going down with a whimper.
I don't even want him to go, I don't think another change at this point would do any good, I just want him to release the shackles a bit, especially at home.

For me this is one of the reasons he was a great coach and probably a much better number 2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: JMullen95 on November 13, 2014, 12:07:11 PM
We will never break teams down with slow pedestrian passing through the middle of the pitch, it may work against the bigger teams but it certainly does not against the lower sides, as shown this season with the exception of Burnley. We are a very boring team to watch, Brunt should play on the right so he can come inside on his left and use it to his advantage with more angles available. We will lose next week, draw to Arsenal then lose to West Ham and by that time I will want that boring, defensive, antiquated manager out of our club - to then be replaced by Mr All Out Attack aka Keith Downing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 13, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
If we did it, wouldn't be a forum would it, it would be a Q&A with Alan Irvine.
My opinion is that he lacks a bit of bravery, I don't claim to have a direct insight into his personal courage, I can only speak about what I see on the pitch, the same as most people on here.

Which makes him overly conservative, not necessarily lacking in intestinal fortitude. Otherwise it would imply that he arrives at some crucial moment in the game and declines to make a change out of fear, as opposed to being part of his usual approach to keep his starters on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 13, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Which makes him overly conservative, not necessarily lacking in intestinal fortitude. Otherwise it would imply that he arrives at some crucial moment in the game and declines to make a change out of fear, as opposed to being part of his usual approach to keep his starters on the pitch.
Of course there is an element of fear, it is a high stakes game, who wouldn't be scared of getting it wrong? The trouble is he is being overly conservative and it isn't getting results.
When he goes paintballing, he may be right gung ho, with intestinal fortitude aplenty, unfortunately on matchday I think fear of failure is restricting him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 13, 2014, 12:35:12 PM
Of course there is an element of fear, it is a high stakes game, who wouldn't be scared of getting it wrong? The trouble is he is being overly conservative and it isn't getting results.
When he goes paintballing, he may be right gung ho, with intestinal fortitude aplenty, unfortunately on matchday I think fear of failure is restricting him.

I think you're being unfair to him by assuming the worst. But I'm probably in a small minority.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 13, 2014, 12:44:41 PM
I think you're being unfair to him by assuming the worst. But I'm probably in a small minority.
You may be right mate, but I can only speak as I find based on what I see on a matchday.
I guarantee one thing though, if we turn up at the next home game and he drops a couple of the old guard and brings in Varela and Gamboa on the wings, then it will be a completely different atmosphere around the ground.
Ok, it might not work, but it would certainly get the crowd going, whereas at present the team selection just promotes boredom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 13, 2014, 12:57:20 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of the 'did Irvine turn us down first time round?' saga?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 13, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of the 'did Irvine turn us down first time round?' saga?

I think we chose Di Matteo over him and he was saving face.

And I'd have chosen Di Matteo over him this time around too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 13, 2014, 01:03:01 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of the 'did Irvine turn us down first time round?' saga?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/preston/8120577.stm
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 13, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/preston/8120577.stm

But the club and local press (Lepko) said RDM was always our first choice and we never offered the job to Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 13, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
Bobby, unsurprisingly perhaps, seems to see things differently from the head coach:

"Ideye is also convinced that he can play alongside England new boy Saido Berahino, with Victor Anichebe being favoured at present.

He added: “It’s unfortunate he has made more time than me. Both of us play the same role but we can play together, I don’t have a problem with that. We have pace, we’re strong and we can cause problems to defences. That is what every coach wants
.”"

Source: Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9562383/transfer-news-brown-ideye-concerned-by-lack-of-west-brom-game-time)

The only way them two play together is if you put Berahino on the right like we did at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on November 13, 2014, 06:04:27 PM
You may be right mate, but I can only speak as I find based on what I see on a matchday.
I guarantee one thing though, if we turn up at the next home game and he drops a couple of the old guard and brings in Varela and Gamboa on the wings, then it will be a completely different atmosphere around the ground.
Ok, it might not work, but it would certainly get the crowd going, whereas at present the team selection just promotes boredom.
And a pig just flew past my bedroom window......this guy is so timid he makes Snow White seem like The Rock".
With all this latest rubbish about Brown Eye ....i feel a repeat of last seasons screw ups is just around the corner, i am losing faith and interest at an alarming speed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 13, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
You had faith at the outset with this appointment  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 13, 2014, 08:56:56 PM
Let's face it this appointment will turn out to be a disaster. Irvine just cannot put out a positive attacking team. He has been backed financially more than any other head coach/manager in the clubs history but he will not use the attacking players available to him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 14, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
Let's face it this appointment will turn out to be a disaster. Irvine just cannot put out a positive attacking team. He has been backed financially more than any other head coach/manager in the clubs history but he will not use the attacking players available to him
Let's face it this appointment MAY turn out to be a disaster (although 13th in the league at the minute suggests it MAY not be) Irvine just HASN'T put out a positive attacking team (although our goals for record isn't that bad compared to some suggests we are attacking somewhere) He has been backed financially more than any other head coach mananager in the clubs history but he HASN'T used the attacking players that I want him to (yet).

I think this is more reasonable.  Happy to help.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on November 14, 2014, 09:18:02 AM
Is AI naïve or professional?
He seems to study the opposition,decide if they are a skilful team or a physical one then pick our team accordingly.
Should he not pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us particularly at home?
If he does rely on opposing team's set up then should we be set up like for like or should we set up with an alternative formation?eg if they are Physical we go skill and if they are skillfull we go Physical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on November 14, 2014, 10:17:35 AM
Is AI naïve or professional?
He seems to study the opposition,decide if they are a skilful team or a physical one then pick our team accordingly.
Should he not pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us particularly at home?
If he does rely on opposing team's set up then should we be set up like for like or should we set up with an alternative formation?eg if they are Physical we go skill and if they are skillfull we go Physical.

I suppose if he did that he would then be torn apart for not taking into consideration the opponents strengths and be called naive for doing so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 14, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
Is AI naïve or professional?
He seems to study the opposition,decide if they are a skilful team or a physical one then pick our team accordingly.
Should he not pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us particularly at home?
If he does rely on opposing team's set up then should we be set up like for like or should we set up with an alternative formation?eg if they are Physical we go skill and if they are skillfull we go Physical.

This doesn't really seem to make a difference, cup aside its been mostly the same players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 14, 2014, 10:56:29 AM
Is AI naïve or professional?
He seems to study the opposition,decide if they are a skilful team or a physical one then pick our team accordingly.
Should he not pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us particularly at home?
If he does rely on opposing team's set up then should we be set up like for like or should we set up with an alternative formation?eg if they are Physical we go skill and if they are skillfull we go Physical.

There is no doubt in my mind that AI is a highly professionally and diligent man.  We’ve heard much about the work and preparation that goes into preparing the side, in terms of pure coaching and also in terms of opposition research.  Nearly every Sunday when watching the games on the box you’ll spot AI at one of them, note book in hand, scribbling away, it’s his attention to detail and hard work which really makes me respect and warm to him. 

However, I want to start seeing him being bolder and more enterprising in his team selections and make worth of his undoubtedly assiduousness work.  He has had his hands tied to a certain extent with injuries etc but I think the next month will be telling.  Is his conservative approach at home going to continue, especially in regards to picking a rather un-dynamic, predictable yet hard working midfield quartet?  Or will he be courageous and exploit his diligence work on opposition and pick players who are capable of tormenting opposing defenders like Varela, Sessegnon and Blanco.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 14, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Is AI naïve or professional?
He seems to study the opposition,decide if they are a skilful team or a physical one then pick our team accordingly.
Should he not pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us particularly at home?
If he does rely on opposing team's set up then should we be set up like for like or should we set up with an alternative formation?eg if they are Physical we go skill and if they are skillfull we go Physical.
He says he set up the way he did against Newcastle because he thought 'this will be another Crystal Palace', he was clearly wrong, it wasn't.
I believe a team should be picked to win the game, not to stop the opposition winning. We are Albion, we can handle losing provided we go out to attack the opponent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on November 15, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
We have to win are home games if we have any chance of staying in this league and at the minute one win is not good
enough. In my eyes the coach is not flexible in his choice of personal or formation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 15, 2014, 09:19:02 AM
We have to win are home games if we have any chance of staying in this league and at the minute one win is not good
enough. In my eyes the coach is not flexible in his choice of personal or formation.
We don't have to win our home games to stay up , we have to gain more points than three other teams. I struggle with the logic that a home game is more important than an away game. Both are played over 90 minutes against 11 men and have the same amount of points attributed to them. If anything there is more pressure on home games due to greater expectation and therefore a higher risk of failure?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 15, 2014, 09:40:09 AM
Your correct its about getting passed 40 points however and wherever they come.

But you cant help but feel that as the season goes on our home form will have to improve to stop the pressure being on us away.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 15, 2014, 09:53:33 AM
We don't have to win our home games to stay up , we have to gain more points than three other teams. I struggle with the logic that a home game is more important than an away game. Both are played over 90 minutes against 11 men and have the same amount of points attributed to them. If anything there is more pressure on home games due to greater expectation and therefore a higher risk of failure?


I agree but it should allow the manager/head coach the freedom to allow his team to express themselves in a positive way & let the supporters see both sides of his  footballing philosophy if he has 2 that is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on November 15, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
He only knows how to play away. We are heading for a premiership exit as Arrys bunch have firepower and are fast, and unless there is another Norwich Meltdown team on the horizon we are well and truly screwed.

I know there have been changes and to some extent it has helped us project a better, more coordinated feel to the club, where it matters we are still  poo. PR is great, doesnt mean a toss if we lose at home to bloody Newcastle and didnt even set ourselves up to win.

 Personally cant stand another season like the last, and believe me this one will be worse, good luck Saido, goodbye all fellow posters..Im off, my blood pressure cant stand it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
Currently the football we play at home is worse Thant that of a Clarke team.we could quite easily loose all 4 of our next games. He's  gone if we do. Roughly the same time Clarke got the sack 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 15, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
Let's face it this appointment MAY turn out to be a disaster (although 13th in the league at the minute suggests it MAY not be) Irvine just HASN'T put out a positive attacking team (although our goals for record isn't that bad compared to some suggests we are attacking somewhere) He has been backed financially more than any other head coach mananager in the clubs history but he HASN'T used the attacking players that I want him to (yet).

I think this is more reasonable.  Happy to help.

Possibly but time will tell. I have no faith that Irvine will do those things even with a fully fit squad. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on November 16, 2014, 11:24:27 AM
obviously like most fans thought his appoinment was a joke, , i think we have to accept that a lot of people in the game respect his coaching abilities, as they did Steve Clarke , but at least SC encouraged the team to go out and play and bad luck played as much a part of him getting the sack as any other factor.
with AI i am afraid you cannot even blame bad luck, we have put a team out week after week that does not even look like scoring most of the time , nobody questions the work ethic, with the exception of probably 4 games this season the team have generally put a shift in, but it is looking like a championship side again, we have probably man for man got a better squad than Leicester Burnley QPR  but whenever i see them on the TV they at least have a go at the opposition , get men forward and at times break at pace, okay they lose , but thats because basically their defences are not good enough , but at least they give their fans a bit of hope, I would rather see us go down fighting than with a whimper , lets face it how many problems did Newcastle give us , maybe 3 or 4 situations but they scored twice , how many did we give them probably one and Krul made a save, lets face it AI from an oppositions defensive point of view we are very easy to play against, thats down to you and the rest of the coaching staff
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 16, 2014, 02:04:35 PM
He came with the claim that he is one of the best coaches around but have we seen any evidence of that? Burnley apart we have conceded 2 goals in every home league game so no real evidence of defensive improvement there, the midfield he is picking is totally devoid of pace and creativity so no our chances of scoring 3 are slim at best.So despite much transfer activity added to the much lauded coaching credentials of our new head honcho we are probably worse off than before.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2014, 09:08:32 AM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa
I reckon 6 points would be ok, more would be great, less and we, and Irvine, will be struggling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 17, 2014, 09:09:11 AM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa
15 mate  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 17, 2014, 09:41:21 AM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa

2 points from these imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 17, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
We don't have to win our home games to stay up , we have to gain more points than three other teams. I struggle with the logic that a home game is more important than an away game. Both are played over 90 minutes against 11 men and have the same amount of points attributed to them. If anything there is more pressure on home games due to greater expectation and therefore a higher risk of failure?

Expectation?

Two home league wins since 1st Jan and you think there's expectation that we're going to win?  The West Ham game is the only one I missed - So, since 1st Jan I've seen 14 home games, 9 draws, 4 defeats and we beat Burnley.  My expectations are very low.  I am so fed up of walking away from games fed up and disappointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
Problem i have looking at the next fixtures is can i see us losing many of them no i cant but also cant see us winning any of them, Problem is our next 3 games are all good sides this season if we fail to pick up any points from them then suddenly hull becomes a massive game fail to win that and then the derby becomes even bigger game, I dont think Peace would sack another manager over the festive period if im being honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on November 17, 2014, 11:53:40 AM
AI must realise that it is not really working and he has to make some adjusments. Surely he can see that if it carries on the way it is he will lose his job. Our last 5 fixtures of the season are Liverpool,Man Utd, Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal. Will he still be there for these fixtures?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
Expectation?

Two home league wins since 1st Jan and you think there's expectation that we're going to win?  The West Ham game is the only one I missed - So, since 1st Jan I've seen 14 home games, 9 draws, 4 defeats and we beat Burnley.  My expectations are very low.  I am so fed up of walking away from games fed up and disappointed.
That makes very depressing reading  :(
And we wonder why there is an air of negativity, not only on these boards, but all around the Hawthorns.
This is why we need a change of approach at home, we are all depressed before a ball is even kicked. We need the line up to give us a sense of hope rather than resignation.
Please Alan, give us something positive before the next game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa

I think we'll pick up around 7-8 points from them fixtures. The fans who never wanted him in the first place are too quick to criticise every bad result when there were posts about humble pie before the Newcastle game. 13th in the league with 13 points from 11 games is a good return. We've played some good stuff at times and we've played some poor football at other times just like we did under Clarke, Hodgson, Mel/Downing etc. Our home form and performances have been poor for a while now and needs to improve, away from home we're set up well and will pick up points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: else on November 17, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
If we  loose our next 5 games with negative football will he be on his way? How many points will we get from
Chelsea
Arsenal
West Ham
Hull
Villa

7 would be ideal but I can't see us getting it. Hope I'm wrong!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 17, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
I'm not expecting anything against Chelsea away but the way we are set up defensively we could frustrate them.  Are Arsenal that terrifying?  Defensively they are shocking and if the right team is selected then we could get something from the game.  West Ham have started well but we are at home and should be capable of getting a result.  Then there is Hull away and we could do a job on them like we did at Leicester and I think we will beat Villa at home.


I think 8 points is a good return for these fixtures and that would be more than satisfactory going into the Christmas period.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 17, 2014, 02:01:20 PM


I think 8 points is a good return for these fixtures

I think 8 would be brilliant. But I can't see how, unless he changes the very one paced midfield and sets us up to score some.

Try to frustrate Chelsea, then attack the others. Then, maybe, 8 points.

Set up as we are and maybe 4 i think. This from someone most on here will know to be more positive than the average.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 17, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
I think 6 points from that list is reasonable, any more and its really good any ess and its not good, 3 or less and AI will be in serious jeopardy IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 17, 2014, 02:53:11 PM
I think we'll pick up around 7-8 points from them fixtures. The fans who never wanted him in the first place are too quick to criticise every bad result when there were posts about humble pie before the Newcastle game. 13th in the league with 13 points from 11 games is a good return. We've played some good stuff at times and we've played some poor football at other times just like we did under Clarke, Hodgson, Mel/Downing etc. Our home form and performances have been poor for a while now and needs to improve, away from home we're set up well and will pick up points.
Good assessment of where we are at and how AI is doing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 06:44:42 PM
I think we'll pick up around 7-8 points from them fixtures. The fans who never wanted him in the first place are too quick to criticise every bad result when there were posts about humble pie before the Newcastle game. 13th in the league with 13 points from 11 games is a good return. We've played some good stuff at times and we've played some poor football at other times just like we did under Clarke, Hodgson, Mel/Downing etc. Our home form and performances have been poor for a while now and needs to improve, away from home we're set up well and will pick up points.


I am not eating anymore pie.This bloke is not going to entertain us ever, football is an entertain business.The atmosphere is only going to get worse
I think the humble pie posts from some was before the Palace game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 17, 2014, 07:56:08 PM

I am not eating anymore pie.This bloke is not going to entertain us ever, football is an entertain business.The atmosphere is only going to get worse
I think the humble pie posts from some was before the Palace game.
Don't think you will have to Devon it will be Peace and the few backers he's got on here who will eating a large helping of pie over the New Year when JP finally realises he has to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 17, 2014, 08:28:57 PM
Don't think you will have to Devon it will be Peace and the few backers he's got on here who will eating a large helping of pie over the New Year when JP finally realises he has to pull the trigger.
And if he does pull the trigger don't think anyone will be eating humble pie. Some people were just willing to give Irvine a chance the same as some were willing to give Clarke and Mel a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on November 17, 2014, 08:44:14 PM
Despite the predominantly downbeat vibe of the thread - have we actually made a bad start to the season?

11 games in and on 13 points and 13th in the league doesn't seem too bad to me if I'm honest.

It's still very early days, but if we're going to make an early season judgement, I'd be inclined to describe it as a steady start as the new Coach and players get settled in.

So personally, at this stage, I've got no gripe at all with AI and he appears to be doing OK.

I'd acknowledge that the last performance was disappointing, but I'm basing my views on how things are 11 games in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2014, 09:11:13 PM
And if he does pull the trigger don't think anyone will be eating humble pie. Some people were just willing to give Irvine a chance the same as some were willing to give Clarke and Mel a chance.
Most sensible post I have read on this board in a long time I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 17, 2014, 09:38:25 PM
Don't think you will have to Devon it will be Peace and the few backers he's got on here who will eating a large helping of pie over the New Year when JP finally realises he has to pull the trigger.

I'm a backer because he's with my club. That's all it takes: just don the stripes or the track suit, and you have my respect and backing.

Whether I think a coach or a player is good enough is an entirely separate matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 17, 2014, 10:25:18 PM
I'm a backer because he's with my club. That's all it takes: just don the stripes or the track suit, and you have my respect and backing.

Whether I think a coach or a player is good enough is an entirely separate matter.
Agree in general but more than happy to see the back of Bednar, Anelka,  Odemwhingey. Bring my club into disrepute you lose my backing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 17, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
Agree in general but more than happy to see the back of Bednar, Anelka,  Odemwhingey. Bring my club into disrepute you lose my backing.

I neglected to include that caveat, but I'll refrain from passing judgment on them in this thread.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 17, 2014, 10:44:15 PM
And if he does pull the trigger don't think anyone will be eating humble pie. Some people were just willing to give Irvine a chance the same as some were willing to give Clarke and Mel a chance.

This in a nutshell. Irvine wasn't anyone's first choice (or second, third, or fortieth) but  he was hired. I was a Mel supporter because it was a stance against the club  and I genuinely wanted him to do well. I'm an Irvine supporter for the same reason - because I want him, and by association, the team to do well. If I have to weigh up my feelings towards managers in a statement it's that while the team does well I'm happy. Nothing is to say any manager would be a guaranteed success here by any means. And if a manager fails to do well here I won't vilify him or express anger at him. It doesn't make me a happy clapper by any means. As long as a manager gives his best (regardless of if he falls short or not) I back them.

We could have motormouth Sherwood in charge talking garbage every post match interview and making us look sour, or we could, until he leaves, treat Irvine with respect. He's not disgracing the club, he's not giving us a bad name, and until he does he should be treated as a guy doing a job to the best of HIS ability, not judged against a speculative benchmark of what we think someone else may have done.

Suggesting someone like Pulis would be a better candidate (as has been said) sacrifices the playing style others crave. Efficient football isn't always good football. Good football isn't always winning football. Let's quit speculating who can or would do a better job and back the man, whoever and whenever, is in charge of our team, until he passes on that role.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on November 18, 2014, 12:34:25 AM
This in a nutshell. Irvine wasn't anyone's first choice (or second, third, or fortieth) but  he was hired. I was a Mel supporter because it was a stance against the club  and I genuinely wanted him to do well. I'm an Irvine supporter for the same reason - because I want him, and by association, the team to do well. If I have to weigh up my feelings towards managers in a statement it's that while the team does well I'm happy. Nothing is to say any manager would be a guaranteed success here by any means. And if a manager fails to do well here I won't vilify him or express anger at him. It doesn't make me a happy clapper by any means. As long as a manager gives his best (regardless of if he falls short or not) I back them.

We could have motormouth Sherwood in charge talking garbage every post match interview and making us look sour, or we could, until he leaves, treat Irvine with respect. He's not disgracing the club, he's not giving us a bad name, and until he does he should be treated as a guy doing a job to the best of HIS ability, not judged against a speculative benchmark of what we think someone else may have done.

Suggesting someone like Pulis would be a better candidate (as has been said) sacrifices the playing style others crave. Efficient football isn't always good football. Good football isn't always winning football. Let's quit speculating who can or would do a better job and back the man, whoever and whenever, is in charge of our team, until he passes on that role.
I'll give the bloke a chance, but he has to give our summer recruits a chance. I'm surprised that Jp hasn't pulled him on the lack of game time these players whom Alan assessed as being needed to bolster the first team and squad.
in my eyes we have still the problems which pre dated this coach, can't win at home with np width to speak of
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2014, 08:28:25 AM
all i ask is to entertained especially at home games, Mel provided us with the best atacking football in years.
With the players we have quite possibly our best premier league playing squad i expect more chances on goal with exciting through balls and not the the rubbish sidways football in our own half.
Just going out to win a game from the off,If we loose we loose but i will be alot happier knowing we have given it our all rather than being too cautious, simples .
Like i have said if this brand of football contiues at home i will select certain home and go away instead. I am bored silly at the moment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 18, 2014, 08:38:23 AM
Has anybody seen anything from Irvine as of yet that justifies his appointment?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 18, 2014, 09:01:47 AM
Why do we have to back him on here? Why can't we speculate? Surely this is the ideal place, it is a forum after all. I'm sure Irvine's not crying into his cornflakes over anyone's comments, he doesn't read them does he?
As far as I am concerned he and, as Quakes said earlier anyone who dons the colours, gets my 100% support on matchday and I want him / them to win every game.
This however is a forum for voicing opinions and venting frustrations, it's what it's designed to do.
Personally, I love the rants and the disagreements it shows we all share the same passion even if we don't share the same opinions.
If we all agreed and liked each other, this would be a dull site.  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 18, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
Why do we have to back him on here? Why can't we speculate? Surely this is the ideal place, it is a forum after all. I'm sure Irvine's not crying into his cornflakes over anyone's comments, he doesn't read them does he?
As far as I am concerned he and, as Quakes said earlier anyone who dons the colours, gets my 100% support on matchday and I want him / them to win every game.
This however is a forum for voicing opinions and venting frustrations, it's what it's designed to do.
Personally, I love the rants and the disagreements it shows we all share the same passion even if we don't share the same opinions.
If we all agreed and liked each other, this would be a dull site.  :D

By backing him, I mean supporting him on match day and always showing him the basic respect that the head coach of West Bromwich Albion Football Club deserves (always with the caveat that he isn't doing anything unseemly). I certainly don't mean that anyone shouldn't disapprove of his performance. Then I'll only take issue if I think the facts or logic employed don't support the conclusion.

Personally, I'm still waiting to see more. He's gotten some things right and others wrong. I'm willing to accept a conservative style of play if it gets us points and keeps us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 18, 2014, 09:39:10 AM
By backing him, I mean supporting him on match day and always showing him the basic respect that the head coach of West Bromwich Albion Football Club deserves (always with the caveat that he isn't doing anything unseemly). I certainly don't mean that anyone shouldn't disapprove of his performance. Then I'll only take issue if I think the facts or logic employed don't support the conclusion.

Personally, I'm still waiting to see more. He's gotten some things right and others wrong. I'm willing to accept a conservative style of play if it gets us points and keeps us up.
That is what matters at the end of the day POINTS.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 18, 2014, 03:54:49 PM
all i ask is to entertained especially at home games, Mel provided us with the best atacking football in years.
With the players we have quite possibly our best premier league playing squad i expect more chances on goal with exciting through balls and not the the rubbish sidways football in our own half.
Just going out to win a game from the off,If we loose we loose but i will be alot happier knowing we have given it our all rather than being too cautious, simples .
Like i have said if this brand of football contiues at home i will select certain home and go away instead. I am bored silly at the moment

If Irvine went 3-0 up against Spurs and threw it away due to poor tactics he would be slated ridiculously if we went 3-2 up against a rubbish team with seconds to play then give an equaliser away he would be slated if he went two up at villa then due to playing a high line with players everyone in england knows couldn't play it he would get slated yet mel is still a hero. Mel didn't have a clue except for playing one way it was embarrassing the amount of mistakes and his tactics cost us points last season. It was good for a neutral but not an albion fan, never been so annoyed coming out of grounds
In my life as I did end of last season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2014, 04:18:02 PM
If Irvine went 3-0 up against Spurs and threw it away due to poor tactics he would be slated ridiculously if we went 3-2 up against a rubbish team with seconds to play then give an equaliser away he would be slated if he went two up at villa then due to playing a high line with players everyone in england knows couldn't play it he would get slated yet mel is still a hero. Mel didn't have a clue except for playing one way it was embarrassing the amount of mistakes and his tactics cost us points last season. It was good for a neutral but not an albion fan, never been so annoyed coming out of grounds
In my life as I did end of last season

Chris Brunt also stated that the dressing room was dead under Mel which is a contrast to what it's like this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 18, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
If Irvine went 3-0 up against Spurs and threw it away due to poor tactics he would be slated ridiculously if we went 3-2 up against a rubbish team with seconds to play then give an equaliser away he would be slated if he went two up at villa then due to playing a high line with players everyone in england knows couldn't play it he would get slated yet mel is still a hero. Mel didn't have a clue except for playing one way it was embarrassing the amount of mistakes and his tactics cost us points last season. It was good for a neutral but not an albion fan, never been so annoyed coming out of grounds
In my life as I did end of last season
you don't speak for all albion fans though,i enjoyed mels short spell here. if you didn't fair enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 18, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
you don't speak for all albion fans though,i enjoyed mels short spell here. if you didn't fair enough

Fairpoint, came out a bit wrong I meant as a neutral I would have loved it but as I am an Albion fan I found it frustrating giving away leads.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2014, 10:46:27 PM
If Irvine keeps up with the turgid football at home it will be his own downfall . Give me what mel offered any day.I come out of the ground after watching negative football which is supposed to be an entertaining business thinking what's the point
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on November 19, 2014, 12:14:22 AM
If Irvine keeps up with the turgid football at home it will be his own downfall . Give me what mel offered any day.I come out of the ground after watching negative football which is supposed to be an entertaining business thinking what's the point

Football is a Sport, a competition between teams.  It’s about getting results, trying to win and not to lose (note lose, not loose).
If it’s entertainment you’re after, go to the Theatre, Cinema or watch TV.
Believe it or not, sometimes the ball has to go sideways or backwards if there isn’t a forward pass available. It’s about keeping possession, switching play, looking for and exploiting the gaps.
Face it, Mel was taking us down to the Championship until Downing & Kiely dragged us away from the inevitable relegation.
The results against Vile, Cardiff and Spurs last season were Kamikaze football and utterly embarrassing. If that was entertainment, give me dull any day of the week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 19, 2014, 04:59:19 AM
Football is a Sport, a competition between teams.  It’s about getting results, trying to win and not to lose (note lose, not loose).
If it’s entertainment you’re after, go to the Theatre, Cinema or watch TV.
Believe it or not, sometimes the ball has to go sideways or backwards if there isn’t a forward pass available. It’s about keeping possession, switching play, looking for and exploiting the gaps.
Face it, Mel was taking us down to the Championship until Downing & Kiely dragged us away from the inevitable relegation.
The results against Vile, Cardiff and Spurs last season were Kamikaze football and utterly embarrassing. If that was entertainment, give me dull any day of the week.

Yeah, Bomber got a statue because he bored the Albions fans to death I'm sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 08:42:46 AM
Yeah, Bomber got a statue because he bored the Albions fans to death I'm sure.

Here lies the problem of expectations from albion fans though to me, everyone wants or expects this team to play like we did in that era, which we just haven't got the players for as the late 70s team was far superior. It's like you want dorrans to play like bomber, brunt to be like Cunningham, strikers to play like Regis. I'm to young but by all accounts they were out of this world so were able to play like that.

All this talk of 'the albion way' baffles me a bit aswell I mean how many times since 1980 have we played this way? Season under ossie ardiles? Few months at end of 06/07 and the 07/08 season?

I think we played well for a few years after Mowbray aswel but a lot on here call hodgson boring so not too sure what is expected.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 19, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
Every good side needs to have the right balance between attack and defence, its what makes Chelsea so good as they have it absolutely spot on this season.

It is easier said than done to get that balance right as the margins are often so fine but I have no doubt we are set up a little too defensively, I can understand that against the top sides when it is a case of trying to pinch a result on the break but we do it no matter who we are playing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 08:59:03 AM
Every good side needs to have the right balance between attack and defence, its what makes Chelsea so good as they have it absolutely spot on this season.

It is easier said than done to get that balance right as the margins are often so fine but I have no doubt we are set up a little too defensively, I can understand that against the top sides when it is a case of trying to pinch a result on the break but we do it no matter who we are playing.

To me hodgson had that balance sorted brilliantly for us yet a load on here still go on saying how negative he was I just don't know what people expect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 09:01:10 AM
Here lies the problem of expectations from albion fans though to me, everyone wants or expects this team to play like we did in that era which we just haven't got the players for, as the late 70s team was far superior. It's like you want dorrans to play like bomber, brunt to be like Cunningham, strikers to play like Regis. I'm to young but by all accounts they were out of this world so were able to play like that.

All this talk of 'the albion way' baffles me a bit aswell I mean how many times since 1980 have we played this way? Season under ossie ardiles? Few months at end of 06/07 and the 07/08 season?

I thimk we played well for a few years after Mowbray aswel but a lot on here call hodgson boring so not too sure what is expected.

You make a valid point here, as on another thread,  Hodgson is the manager most people on here voted to have as their manager of this current squad, yet you could argue he didnt make us play 'the Albion way'.

At the end of the day all I want to see is Albion be successful and achieveing the best position possible. I would take standard football and mid table finishes every season over playing Mels tactics and being in a relegation battle all day long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
You make a valid point here, as on another thread,  Hodgson is the manager most people on here voted to have as their manager of this current squad, yet you could argue he didnt make us play 'the Albion way'.

At the end of the day all I want to see is Albion be successful and achieveing the best position possible. I would take standard football and mid table finishes every season over playing Mels tactics and being in a relegation battle all day long.


Nothing changes there then


I am not asking for champions league football just a few more sortes into opposition areas instead of sideways moves and for Irvine to stop keep looking at his watch
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 19, 2014, 09:18:52 AM
To me hodgson had that balance sorted brilliantly for us yet a load on here still go on saying how negative he was I just don't know what people expect.

Even Roy couldn't always get that balance right, for a team like ours it will often come down to what players you have available on the day. When Roy was here and Odemwingie was available we had a player that could make something happen from an attacking point of view, he was supported by the likes of Long making a nuisance of himself with Brunt and Morrison performing well.

I think the best balance we had was under Steve Clarke when he first arrived but eventually he lost that when the going got tough he got a little too defensive but as I said before the margins were so fine, a couple of penalty decisions going our way and we could have had a very different season and Clarke wouldn't have lost his job when he did.

The only expectation I have each game is for our lads to give their all no matter what system they are being asked to play, I think as a supporter that is all you can expect. However I do hope to see Irvine set up the side to be just a little more adventurous going forward when in possession and I certainly don't think that is too much to ask.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 09:26:17 AM

Nothing changes there then


I am not asking for champions league football just a few more sortes into opposition areas instead of sideways moves and for Irvine to stop keep looking at his watch

Lol, we've had 1 relegation battle in 6 seasons (likely to be 2) not as if we have had them every year and no success
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: row ww on November 19, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
What the "Albion way" means to me is not really knowing prior to a game whether we are going to be worldbeaters,or produce a totally inept performance against a Team we ought to be beating!

No matter what Team I have watched over the years,whether that be a Cunningham,Regis,Bomber,or an Astle inspired side,that air of uncertainty was always there!

The difference now,especially at home,is that the number of times I actually get up off my seat due to watching a brilliant passage of play by the Baggies,is few and far between! I want that expectation of excitement back,but at the moment,with Irvine in charge,it is sadly lacking!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 09:27:46 AM
Even Roy couldn't always get that balance right, for a team like ours it will often come down to what players you have available on the day. When Roy was here and Odemwingie was available we had a player that could make something happen from an attacking point of view, he was supported by the likes of Long making a nuisance of himself with Brunt and Morrison performing well.

I think the best balance we had was under Steve Clarke when he first arrived but eventually he lost that when the going got tough he got a little too defensive but as I said before the margins were so fine, a couple of penalty decisions going our way and we could have had a very different season and Clarke wouldn't have lost his job when he did.

The only expectation I have each game is for our lads to give their all no matter what system they are being asked to play, I think as a supporter that is all you can expect. However I do hope to see Irvine set up the side to be just a little more adventurous going forward when in possession and I certainly don't think that is too much to ask.

Bang on mate! Especially the bit about Clarke aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2014, 09:30:25 AM
Football is a Sport, a competition between teams.  It’s about getting results, trying to win and not to lose (note lose, not loose).
If it’s entertainment you’re after, go to the Theatre, Cinema or watch TV.
Believe it or not, sometimes the ball has to go sideways or backwards if there isn’t a forward pass available. It’s about keeping possession, switching play, looking for and exploiting the gaps.
Face it, Mel was taking us down to the Championship until Downing & Kiely dragged us away from the inevitable relegation.
The results against Vile, Cardiff and Spurs last season were Kamikaze football and utterly embarrassing. If that was entertainment, give me dull any day of the week.
If it was all about results we would all support Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. though wouldn't we?
For me it's all about passion, and the style of football has a direct effect on that. If you are at the game you want to be out of your seat, you want excitement, so of course it is about entertainment.
In the years when I didn't have a season ticket, it did become just about results and when I moaned about losing, the lads would pull me up if we had played well or vice versa if we had played rubbish and won. That was when I realised I was missing out, you only get the true feeling when you are in the ground and that is purely down to the entertainment value and not just the result.
The games you mention were heartbreaking at the time, but we all remember them don't we? That's because we went through more emotions in that 90 minutes than a dozen 0-0's.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 09:44:21 AM
Will be interesting to see what team Irvine picks in a couple of weeks.

With Varela looking to be the closest to match fitness hes been since being here, and pretty much a full squad to choose.

You would think we would return 0 points (Unless we get something from Arsenal) from our next two games. Surely that would mean a couple new faces in the team, i.e Varela/Brown/Blanco.

If the new lads are still not being played in the next 3-4 games then serious questions need to be asked about our recruitment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 09:59:20 AM
I think someone said the other day about Irvine reminding him of wolves under McCarthy how he seems to prefer British players when maybe some of the foriegn players who can't get a look in have more skill and flair, even though hes been here a short time it did make me worry abit
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
I think someone said the other day about Irvine reminding him of wolves under McCarthy how he seems to prefer British players when maybe some of the foriegn players who can't get a look in have more skill and flair, even though hes been here a short time it did make me worry abit

Yeah I saw that, but then thought of Sessegnon and Pocognoli.

Granted hes taken Mulumbu, Yacob and Olsson out the team, but I personally think we look more solid without Olsson playing, and as much as I rate Mulumbu and Yacob, you cant disagree that Gardner has played superbly since joining.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 19, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
I think the original poster was referring to Brown, Blanco, sess and valera.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 19, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
I would accept insipid, boring football (even at home) if it lead to great results (see Megson years) but it just hasn't.  Watching Palace and Newcastle clog-up the midfield while we had no width or midfield spark was truly frustrating.

I don't expect much from the next couple of games in terms of points.  So we could play a 'solid' team and get nothing or we could try something different and maybe get something unexpected.  I would be disappointed if we have the same 'solid' game plan at home to West Ham.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 19, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
I think it's a little unfair on Mick McCarthy to be compared to Irvine, that's a bit like comparing Pep Guardiola to errrrr...... Alan Irvine. At least McCarthy has achieved  something in management.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 19, 2014, 05:09:05 PM
And another point if Irvine is supposed to be this amazing coach can anybody really say any of our players have improved since he's been working his 'magic'? And before people say Dawson he may look ok next to Lescott but without him I would argue he's gone backwards.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 19, 2014, 05:11:10 PM
And another point if Irvine is supposed to be this amazing coach can anybody really say any of our players have improved since he's been working his 'magic'? And before people say Dawson he may look ok next to Lescott but without him I would argue he's gone backwards.

Don't think one person has said Irvine is an amazing coach so doubt you will get an answer for that mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 19, 2014, 05:15:29 PM
And another point if Irvine is supposed to be this amazing coach can anybody really say any of our players have improved since he's been working his 'magic'? And before people say Dawson he may look ok next to Lescott but without him I would argue he's gone backwards.

No one here has worked under AI, but those who have, Jagielka for example have gone on record saying he was brilliant and that the footballers really enjoy his coaching.

Lescott stated that a huge part to signing for us was AI and the other coaches, people he's worked with before.

It's daft to ask anyone on here for insight, but those who work with him sing his praises.

He may well be not a great tactician. He may be too conservative and cautious, but questioning his coaching just means you've not been reading the many many comments by pros out there about him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 19, 2014, 05:17:45 PM
And another point if Irvine is supposed to be this amazing coach can anybody really say any of our players have improved since he's been working his 'magic'? And before people say Dawson he may look ok next to Lescott but without him I would argue he's gone backwards.

We've got a team of good/decent Premier League players who aren't going to improve further except for the young players. Berahino has been much better this season in performance and attitude and has mentioned how he enjoys working under Irvine. Morrison looks better than last season and Dawson has looked good but then again he's finally getting a run in the side so that helps as well as being Lescott's partner. Dawson wanted to leave before Irvine had a word with him so he deserves credit for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 19, 2014, 05:30:16 PM
I get it, some people will not accept Irvine no matter what he does.

The position at the moment is we are 5 points off a European place and 4 points off a relegation spot, a better position than most could have expected from how we ended last season.
We have 1 less victory than Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham after 11 games, compared to their resources an admirable return.
Our players aren't allegedly improving under Irvine but Berahino is getting called up for full England duty.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 19, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Dave Nugent and Michael Rikkets got called up for England and got on the pitch....I don't really think it's much to crow about is it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 19, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
Dave Nugent and Michael Rikkets got called up for England and got on the pitch....I don't really think it's much to crow about is it.
You suggested that none of our players have improved under Irvine. The whole team have more points over the last 11 games of last season and therefore as a group have improved.  Dawson is clearly better but you dismiss him because that is down to Lescott (apparently). Berahino has scored more goals and got picked for England but has been dismissed because Michael Rikkets once got picked for England.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 19, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
I'm not dismissing Dawson I just don't think he has improved and our defence is awful particularly at home, we need to score 3 to win a game the way things are going. And I'm over the moon with Saido but take away his penaltys, which obviously still have to be scored would you say he has vastly improved over last seasons early promise? I don't want to get into a personal debate but I don't see a lot to be optimistic about, if Irvine got the job at Walsall every single member of this forum would have been shocked he had somehow got another manager/head coach job so lets not try and kid each other he's something he has proven over a long time he isn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 19, 2014, 06:23:15 PM
but questioning his coaching just means you've not been reading the many many comments by pros out there about him.

Comments from pros can be misleading though because lets face it - everybody within football is highly rated. I've never yet hear anybody bad mouth another colleagues whether on the pitch or in management.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on November 19, 2014, 07:55:11 PM
Comments from pros can be misleading though because lets face it - everybody within football is highly rated. I've never yet hear anybody bad mouth another colleagues whether on the pitch or in management.

Yep. Also, never underestimate the sheer gusto of the PR department. They'd have us believe Irvine is the second coming of Christ if they could (not that he isn't!).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 19, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
We've got a team of good/decent Premier League players who aren't going to improve further except for the young players. Berahino has been much better this season in performance and attitude and has mentioned how he enjoys working under Irvine. Morrison looks better than last season and Dawson has looked good but then again he's finally getting a run in the side so that helps as well as being Lescott's partner. Dawson wanted to leave before Irvine had a word with him so he deserves credit for that.
was it possible for Morrison to poorer than last season, he was garbage last year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on November 20, 2014, 10:14:44 AM
I'm not dismissing Dawson I just don't think he has improved and our defence is awful particularly at home, we need to score 3 to win a game the way things are going. And I'm over the moon with Saido but take away his penaltys, which obviously still have to be scored would you say he has vastly improved over last seasons early promise? I don't want to get into a personal debate but I don't see a lot to be optimistic about, if Irvine got the job at Walsall every single member of this forum would have been shocked he had somehow got another manager/head coach job so lets not try and kid each other he's something he has proven over a long time he isn't.

I don't want to appear as if looking through rose tinted spectacles, like everything is as rosy as it can be because that's not the case. But some people, like VVV has said, will never accept Irvine, whether that's because he isn't a 'name' or whether that's because his past managerial record isn't the best.

Let's face it though, in life we've all made mistakes and it's about how you learn and move forward that matters. People deserve a second chance and the board felt Irvine was the right man. They know better than we do, it's their job to, and as much as people won't like to hear it, us fans only know so much and in-turn can only comment on so much. Reality is a lot different to 'what fans think is best'.

Also had we appointed a manager with a proven track record, it's not to say he would be doing the job as well as Alan is currently. Now I'm not in the 'Irvine Out' camp nor am I one that thinks he is the new messiah, but we're still in the 'back him as much as we can' phase, and let's see what happens.

In terms of players improvement, this squad is performing well. Yes we've slipped up, but this is football, and we're West Bromwich Albion, we'll play badly and lose sometimes, as will other teams when we praise ours for beating them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 20, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
I don't want to appear as if looking through rose tinted spectacles, like everything is as rosy as it can be because that's not the case. But some people, like VVV has said, will never accept Irvine, whether that's because he isn't a 'name' or whether that's because his past managerial record isn't the best.

Let's face it though, in life we've all made mistakes and it's about how you learn and move forward that matters. People deserve a second chance and the board felt Irvine was the right man. They know better than we do, it's their job to, and as much as people won't like to hear it, us fans only know so much and in-turn can only comment on so much. Reality is a lot different to 'what fans think is best'.

Also had we appointed a manager with a proven track record, it's not to say he would be doing the job as well as Alan is currently. Now I'm not in the 'Irvine Out' camp nor am I one that thinks he is the new messiah, but we're still in the 'back him as much as we can' phase, and let's see what happens.

In terms of players improvement, this squad is performing well. Yes we've slipped up, but this is football, and we're West Bromwich Albion, we'll play badly and lose sometimes, as will other teams when we praise ours for beating them.

Bang on mate.

As much as he didnt fill me with confidence when appointed, ill back him to the hills and back because hes the head coach of MY team.

Football is all about swings and roundabouts, prior to the games you would say we should be beating Sunderland - Palace at home, but youd also say we should be losing to United and Spurs.

Thats what makes football so interesting. If you wanted guaranteed wins each week with the odd draw or mistake every 10 games, go and support one of the big boys.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 20, 2014, 01:05:26 PM
I think your spot on Baggiesfacts, nobody wanted Irvine as coach but i think there is a split for those who have gave him a proper chance and those who whatever he does still want him out, reactions after one defeat show that.

I dont understand what people are expecting, we are 13th in the league which for a midtable club, which we probably are at best (the one season we did reach 8th and yet Clarke still gets slated as some terrible failure) and as a midtable club we will win as many as we lose.

There is a label we are boring, fair enough on some occasions (Everton, Palace 1st half and Newcastle mainly when we were awful) but has that really been the case all season? Were people really bored when we played Sunderland, played with a bit of tempo, passed the ball about well and actually had a go (which didnt happen often last season) Were people bored when we played Burnley off the park and looked a class above them (which hasnt  happened often with us a Premiership Club) What about when we played Man United, went toe to toe with a team full of great attacking players (yes they arent the team they were but still a good team, most neutrals i know said a great game it was) 2nd half v Palace when we threw everything at them, played good football, went direct at times too, to me that is exciting stuff.

The problem i feel Irvine has is that he isnt a glamorous name and came with a reputation of being boring and that has stuck no matter what he does. We are not a great team and never have been in the premiership, i think time makes peoples memories fade a bit sometimes, Hodgson did brilliant for us and i am glad we had him, but for every Wolves 5-1 and Sunderland 4-0 wins, there was a Stoke 1-0 defeat and Everton (New years day) 1-0 defeat and they were two of the worst games i have ever seen. Same goes for Pepe Mel, for every decent point against Chelsea and Liverpool there was a poor display at Hull, Sunderland, home v Stoke.

I would bet that if Hodgson or Pepe Mel was in charge of this team, got exactly the same players, results, performances people would be saying how good things are looking, if we had won at Leicester under Hodgson like we did the other week, it would of been classed at 'professional', under Irvine its classed as lucky. If we had comeback against Palace under Pepe Mel like we did the other week it would of been classed as 'exciting' under Irvine its he messed it up first half.

Pepe Mel got a lot of peoples support and sympathy (mine included) because he got a bad situation to deal with, that wasnt helped when the players didnt seem to support him, yet to me it seems some fans are doing the same to Irvine as the players did to Mel, Irvine must be fully aware of the negativity towards him and its okay people saying prove us wrong, when even when he does, its one defeat away from being undone.

Irvine was supposedly  going be gone by the end of November, now apparently it will be by Xmas, by all means slate the bloke when he gets it wrong (he has done before and no doubt he will again) but every defeat doesnt mean we are a dreadful team and he should be sacked.

Irvine has got selections wrong, as stated above, he will do again but its not a weekly thing, he acknowledged it against Newcastle but prior to that when was the last awful league performance (Cup aside) Everton at the end of August, he is slated for his tactics yet we have been involved and got points from some very exciting games, ideally i would like to see us have natural wingers but Varela has been out injured, Blanco is new to the country and from what little have seen isnt upto speed (not writing him off) so not sure what the other options are? Yacob coming into midfield isnt going to make us the all out attacking threat, he isnt that type of player and also hasnt played well since Xmas 2012, Mulumbu in the games he has come in looks a patch of his former self.

Irvine got it wrong by dropping Sess against Newcastle, can understand why he did it as he thought it would be similar to the Palace game where Anichebe changed it, in hindsight he got it wrong and messed up the subs too, by all means criticise for that but to label him rubbish, out his depth, should be sacked, etc seems a bit over the top.

(PS - This post isnt based just on this forum, listening to phone-ins, etc too, you would think we hadnt won a game and were the most boring team in the world)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 20, 2014, 04:56:26 PM
I think the problem is when teams who are on a par with us play us at home.  They don't come with much ambition, they keep men behind the ball, they play on the break, they give us no space or time on the ball.  This is where we struggle the most, not the likes of Man U - who come thinking they can win - or Burnley who are just making up the numbers.

Against these teams we are putting the same players and systems out and simply struggling to create opportunities.  Meanwhile we get caught out at the back and concede 2 to the likes of Sunderland, Crystal Palace and Everton (who were out of form at the time).  When those teams get ahead in the game, then penetrating their defence becomes even more difficult - and the waste time.  (Boring!)  These are the games that we need more ambition, width and creative players.  (And much better defending too - considering we conceded 2 against Man U and Hull as well.  In fact Oxford and Burnley are the only teams we have not conceded 2 against at home!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 20, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
We must be a dream for scouts to fill reports in for, we all know the team for the next 27 games unless injury or suspension forces a change...it's going to be a long boring winter! But I will say i don't miss any games home or away and use this forum to let off steam not in the ground and I even get tickets in the singing section for away games to get behind the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on November 20, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
We must be a dream for scouts to fill reports in for, we all know the team for the next 27 games unless injury or suspension forces a change...it's going to be a long boring winter! But I will say i don't miss any games home or away and use this forum to let off steam not in the ground and I even get tickets in the singing section for away games to get behind the team.

Why do you assume that it's going to be a long and boring winter? Take each game as it comes, get behind the team and try and enjoy yourself. Are we all forgetting what football is about?

And in regards to the team not changing, many would be complaining he hadn't found his 'best' team if it was being changed every week. You can't win!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Yes Clarke got plenty of grumbles for switching the side around.
I think we'd all like to see more of Varela, Blanco, Brown and Gamboa though - even if it's just options off the bench for a while. The big question though is how we get them up to speed with the premier league when they've hardly played for the last 6 months. Not everyone takes to it like a duck to water like Tadic and Pelle have for Southampton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 20, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Clarkes squad and this squad are very similar and alot of the same players are still here, just of a poorer standard now, it happens. Watched the season review about a month ago mozza, brunt, mulumbu, ollson twice the players than they are now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 21, 2014, 02:38:42 PM
I think most of the evidence - players reactions, players comments, the comments of former colleagues etc - suggest that AI is genuinely an excellent coach. I am not remotely qualified to argue otherwise, and I doubt that anyone on this forum is either.

My issue is that we did not need another coach unless it was a straight replacement for KD, what we need is a tactician who can outthink the opposition and use our somewhat limited resources to win games.

If AI had been brought in in the KD role I think we would all be pretty happy - the man clearly has coaching skills, but as head coach - which needs to be a strategic role - I think he is unfortunately out of his depth and ultimately not set up to succeed.

I have seen precious little evidence that he is wired for this lead role. In most games he seems to have a plan A based on the previous game, and very little hint of a plan B or C. His substitutions are invariably like for like to see if a different player can make the system work rather than changing the system to suit the game.

I must say that I feel a bit sorry for him because I just don't think he is in the right job. As a fan I honestly hope for him to succeed, but I fear he is set for a short and unhappy tenure here as our 33-game season does not give us much tine for experiment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I was so excited when we bought in some genuine flair players with excellent reports from abroad in Blanco, Gamboa, Ideye and Varela. The main reason I don't want Irvine as manager is his refusal to play these players. Such a huge waste. For me, football is all about seeing these kinds of players playing for Albion in the stripes. If you watch foreign football like I do you'll know just how good those four players can be. Yet Irvine picks the likes of Chris Baird ahead of them. I'm done with being passionate about the Albion as long as these decisions are being made. It's too frustrating and there's nothing I can do to change it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 22, 2014, 04:35:41 PM
this man will take us down we will be in the bottom 3 by Christmas mark my words !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 22, 2014, 04:40:22 PM
I was so excited when we bought in some genuine flair players with excellent reports from abroad in Blanco, Gamboa, Ideye and Varela. The main reason I don't want Irvine as manager is his refusal to play these players. Such a huge waste. For me, football is all about seeing these kinds of players playing for Albion in the stripes. If you watch foreign football like I do you'll know just how good those four players can be. Yet Irvine picks the likes of Chris Baird ahead of them. I'm done with being passionate about the Albion as long as these decisions are being made. It's too frustrating and there's nothing I can do to change it.
And foreign football and players do not necessarily fit the Premiership.  Plenty of examples of players being world beaters abroad but not succeeding here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
Utterly and totally boring football the sooner he's gone the better
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 22, 2014, 04:47:20 PM
Utterly and totally boring football the sooner he's gone the better

Agreed!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 04:50:06 PM
Then we might finally get to see the likes of Blanco, Varela, Ideye and Gamboa  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 22, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
Just because someones foreign doesn't mean they're any good. More often than not our foreign signings are actually pretty terrible.

Varela aside (who's been injured) none of those really showed they deserved to be in the side (or are really actually any good) when they've played.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2014, 05:02:20 PM
Just because someones foreign doesn't mean they're any good. More often than not our foreign signings are actually pretty terrible.

Varela aside (who's been injured) none of those really showed they deserved to be in the side (or are really actually any good) when they've played.

And on the day he gives a start to one of our foreign players the player in question lets down his coach and team mates by getting a needless red card.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: telford baggie on November 22, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
Utterly and totally boring football the sooner he's gone the better

100% agreed the blokes clueless and take downing with you..fresh start with someone who wants to use attacking footballers..keep playing like this and saido will want out very quickly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 22, 2014, 05:08:08 PM
I for one sat there against Newcastle wondering what I was doing sitting there watching that dross Alan Irvine and his 3 merry men are serving us to watch . boring and negative football .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 05:10:27 PM
Just because someones foreign doesn't mean they're any good. More often than not our foreign signings are actually pretty terrible.

Varela aside (who's been injured) none of those really showed they deserved to be in the side (or are really actually any good) when they've played.
I watch a lot of foreign football and those four players are very talented (Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa and Varela). I was so excited when they signed and that's why it's so frustrating for me to see their talent wasted. It's amazing to think that one man can stand in the way of talented players getting their chance at our club.

I can differentiate them from Davidson and Samaras who are also foreign signings who I know are unlikely to cut it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 22, 2014, 05:11:30 PM
Another turgid rubbish gutless defensive display where we , from the kickoff , hand the opposition the initiative.


TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 22, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
We pay 10 million for a striker and he's not even playing I dont get this get him on the pitch get him match fit and lets see what he can do. Its really annoying me is this. The jury is still very much out with Irvine, Hull, West Ham and Villa are the three real key games for us which we need at least two wins from I think.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 22, 2014, 05:13:59 PM
2 wins ??? I bet we get zero form any of them games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 22, 2014, 05:24:20 PM
I for one sat there against Newcastle wondering what I was doing sitting there watching that dross Alan Irvine and his 3 merry men are serving us to watch . boring and negative football .

You meant I and 20,000 didnt you!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 22, 2014, 06:27:43 PM
I've let my feelings be known about Irvine and he's doing exactly what he's done at Preston and Sheff Weds, boring negative football so it's no shock and this is why I was so angry by his appointment... A leopard never changes his spots and Irvine won't change his phylosiphy, but let's be honest I don't blame him for taking the job he wasn't going to turn the chance down to manage a prem team he was probably as shocked as everyone else with a brain, blame the cretins who gave him the job... Then blame the people who scout our players... But that's a different story.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 22, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
I'm just totally and utterly bored with this club at the moment.  There's nothing to get excited about.  Bad choice for manager (sorry Head Coach), woeful tactics and player selection, terrible player recruitment and half a***d performances from players who have been here too long.

Major direction changes were needed this summer and all the rubbish coming from Peace and the club has just been lip service orchestrated from our new media department.

Seriously losing interest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on November 22, 2014, 06:33:35 PM
I watch a lot of foreign football and those four players are very talented (Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa and Varela). I was so excited when they signed and that's why it's so frustrating for me to see their talent wasted. It's amazing to think that one man can stand in the way of talented players getting their chance at our club.

I can differentiate them from Davidson and Samaras who are also foreign signings who I know are unlikely to cut it.

It's when I see things like this and BBC's South American expert (Phil Vickery?) say Blanco could be the best signing of the season, yet we don't even see him as an attacking option on the bench, that I really wonder if Irvine is just bottling playing these exciting players.

The jury is out big time now we needs 6/7 points from the next 4 games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on November 22, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
 The head coach is clueless negative tactics boring football lost all interest in the club will stay at home until this clown has gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 22, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
He needs to be out of our club, theres no rush


anytime i the next hour will do !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
Peace will only be concerned when we start averaging well under a point a game.

As it stands - we're three points above the relegation zone with some winnable fixtures ahead. Anybody wanting Irvine sacked is going to be in for a bit of a wait yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 22, 2014, 07:44:26 PM
Peace will only be concerned when we start averaging well under a point a game.

As it stands - we're three points above the relegation zone with some winnable fixtures ahead. Anybody wanting Irvine sacked is going to be in for a bit of a wait yet.
can see the Villa game being the tipping point as i see no joy in next couple and thst would make 5 in a row. Lets be honest here Irvine has shown nothing to justify his appointment and is looking more and more devoid of deas with each passing game!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 22, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
I can see why he set up like he did today lets face it Hodgson used to set up similar in games against the bigger sides, however my problem with Irvine is the fact he has players who are technically better players than those who are already at the club but none have had a decent run even when fit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 22, 2014, 08:19:59 PM
can see the Villa game being the tipping point as i see no joy in next couple and thst would make 5 in a row. Lets be honest here Irvine has shown nothing to justify his appointment and is looking more and more devoid of deas with each passing game!! >:( >:(

I would agree with that if Villa put us in the relegation zone and the lets see how he does brigade will go against him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 22, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
It will be ok, apparently the 'lads' love him and his coaching sessions are a breath of fresh air.... I wonder how many of these will be saying the same when they ask for a transfer after the poor mans Buckley has ruined us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 22, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
Didn't want him, was baffled how he actually got the job and I think he is out of his depth. Place needs a full clear out as the coaching staff have not improved our players, shooting, free- kicks and other set pieces. Irvine does not have a plan B when we go behind. Yes today we keep a clean sheet second half thanks to Foster and their poor finishing not through any other reason.

We had a little spell a few games okay where I though okay maybe he can do it but I honestly don't see him taking us anywhere but down at this rate.

Maybe a great coach but where it matters I just don't see it.

Prove me wrong Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on November 22, 2014, 08:54:16 PM
Lets face it the 3 wins we have have had this season, Spurs, Burnley and Leicester were very poor sides. We only won against Leicester due to a fluke own goal. I didnt want AI from the start but was prepared to give him a chance but the 'football' served up has been poor. We cant say that we wernt warned by the Wednesday and Preston supporters though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 22, 2014, 09:25:01 PM
As one who gave him a chance Irvine is starting to wear thin on even me now , more and more hoof ball plus a number of players who offer something different nowhere near the team at the moment . It's just starting to look like another jobs for the boys thing now as it turned out like under Clarke at the end.
Arsenal is a huge game for him , spend 90 mins hoofing the ball to them and we will get lumped.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 22, 2014, 09:30:23 PM
I think the bloke is doing the best he can.  He is a coach.  He has only picked teams at League 1 level and failed at that.  He is totally out of his depth.

Personally I blame the moron who employed him.   I can only assume it is Burton.  If not then its Peace or Garlick again.

I said at the time.  Most of us did.  I cannot fathom the logic in hiring him. 

The 'great coach' line that was trotted is horse s**t.   Its time the club hired a quality coach with good top flight experience but also a backroom staff that doesnt include the stale Downing and to a lesser extent Kiely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 22, 2014, 09:43:37 PM
I think the bloke is doing the best he can.  He is a coach.  He has only picked teams at League 1 level and failed at that.  He is totally out of his depth.

Personally I blame the moron who employed him.   I can only assume it is Burton.  If not then its Peace or Garlick again.

I said at the time.  Most of us did.  I cannot fathom the logic in hiring him. 

The 'great coach' line that was trotted is horse s**t.   Its time the club hired a quality coach with good top flight experience but also a backroom staff that doesnt include the stale Downing and to a lesser extent Kiely.
The truth as i see it !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 22, 2014, 09:45:30 PM
Sadly i fear the reason for his appointment may well be others wouldnt work within the parameters laid down by those on high  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2014, 09:49:51 PM
Sadly i fear the reason for his appointment may well be others wouldnt work within the parameters laid down by those on high  :(

The parameters will have to change, it must soon dawn on Peace that the continental set up is now failing in the Premier League. Us and Tottenham are the only sides that employ it religiously if you will, and since they got rid of Redknob and we lost Hodgson both have gone steadily backwards.

Back to a manager with his own backroom staff is now a must I feel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 22, 2014, 10:20:55 PM
The parameters will have to change, it must soon dawn on Peace that the continental set up is now failing in the Premier League. Us and Tottenham are the only sides that employ it religiously if you will, and since they got rid of Redknob and we lost Hodgson both have gone steadily backwards.

Back to a manager with his own backroom staff is now a must I feel.

I agree that that is exactly what needs to happen now but there is zero chance of that while Peace is chairman.

No self respecting Manager will work under the conditions set at this club hence why we ended up with a decision between Irvine who has failed at League 1 level and Sherwood who had 6 months management experience at Spuds.

It really is a sad state of affairs if that's the best we can do and a re-think is definitely needed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 10:37:30 PM
I think the bloke is doing the best he can.  He is a coach.  He has only picked teams at League 1 level and failed at that.  He is totally out of his depth.

Personally I blame the moron who employed him.   I can only assume it is Burton.  If not then its Peace or Garlick again.

I said at the time.  Most of us did.  I cannot fathom the logic in hiring him. 

The 'great coach' line that was trotted is horse s**t.   Its time the club hired a quality coach with good top flight experience but also a backroom staff that doesnt include the stale Downing and to a lesser extent Kiely.
Spot on. For what it's worth, it was Burton's choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 22, 2014, 10:41:46 PM
Steve Madeley from the Express and Star on twitter "Irvine isn't a fool. He knows his side need an attacking spark. If he thought Blanco, Samaras, Ideye etc could provide it, they'd play. #wba"

I remember thinking why Sinclair wasn't getting in the team last season then all became clear. I think these players are getting hyped up because they are foreign and we've hardly seen them play so they seem more fresh then the same old players like Brunt and Morrison but it seems to me that they just aren't good enough at the moment. Gamboa played in Norway last season with Rosenborg and the Premier League is a massive step up for him. I don't think Ideye played much for Kiev last season and he wasn't even in Nigeria's world cup squad. I believe both Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich spent £10million on strikers last season who all had a good pedigree but turned out useless. Blanco played in the Ukrainian league and looked extremely lightweight against Bournemouth in the cup, Samaras was a bit part player for Celtic. I really hope they turn out to be great players for us but I can't see why they are getting hyped up like they will make a big difference. Varela is the one who I feel will make a difference and he's just come back from an injury and wasn't fit when joining us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 22, 2014, 11:07:50 PM
1 or 2 of these players who people are saying are not good enough looked pretty good in the World Cup. Gamboa looked great in a Costa Rica side that did very well. The problem is that we have a coaching team that is too scared to give these players a chance to find their feet in the Premier League. Cameo appearances won't do it and some of them don't even make the bench regularly.

Sorry, but I never wanted Irvine and his continuing presence (along with Downing) is strangling the club, because the football is awful to watch and not even effective. We've now conceded 2 goals in 6 of our last 7 games, so playing defensively just isn't working. I despaired at the appointment of Irvine and I'm despairing just as much at the outcome of it, which no-one needed to be a genius to predict.

As far as "Steve Madeley from the Express and Star on twitter 'Irvine isn't a fool. He knows his side need an attacking spark. If he thought Blanco, Samaras, Ideye etc could provide it, they'd play'" is concerned, it's depressing beyond words whichever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 11:08:50 PM
Steve Madeley from the Express and Star on twitter "Irvine isn't a fool. He knows his side need an attacking spark. If he thought Blanco, Samaras, Ideye etc could provide it, they'd play. #wba"

I remember thinking why Sinclair wasn't getting in the team last season then all became clear. I think these players are getting hyped up because they are foreign and we've hardly seen them play so they seem more fresh then the same old players like Brunt and Morrison but it seems to me that they just aren't good enough at the moment. Gamboa played in Norway last season with Rosenborg and the Premier League is a massive step up for him. I don't think Ideye played much for Kiev last season and he wasn't even in Nigeria's world cup squad. I believe both Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich spent £10million on strikers last season who all had a good pedigree but turned out useless. Blanco played in the Ukrainian league and looked extremely lightweight against Bournemouth in the cup, Samaras was a bit part player for Celtic. I really hope they turn out to be great players for us but I can't see why they are getting hyped up like they will make a big difference. Varela is the one who I feel will make a difference and he's just come back from an injury and wasn't fit when joining us.
Wait til Irvine is sacked and Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa and Varela get their chance. There's quality there, trust me (fwiw, I thought the Sinclair signing was poor at the time). Equally, you could argue the reverse by saying the same thing about Dorrans under Clarke who then had a revival when Mel came in. Dorrans wasn't doing anything wrong, Clarke just had a blind spot to him.

If those four players don't get their chance here, they'll show their quality at other clubs and it will be our loss. All four had consistently excellent reports from a number of clubs bigger than ours. It's testament to our recruitment team that we managed to snap then up in the first place.

Amazing that one man (Irvine) stands in the way of us getting to see four talented players. Also amazed that you seem to rate his judgement so highly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 22, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
Wait til Irvine is sacked and Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa and Varela get their chance. There's quality there, trust me (fwiw, I thought the Sinclair signing was poor at the time). Equally, you could argue the reverse by saying the same thing about Dorrans under Clarke who then had a revival when Mel came in. Dorrans wasn't doing anything wrong, Clarke just had a blind spot to him.

If those four players don't get their chance here, they'll show their quality at other clubs and it will be our loss. All four had consistently excellent reports from a number of clubs bigger than ours. It's testament to our recruitment team that we managed to snap then up in the first place.

Amazing that one man (Irvine) stands in the way of us getting to see four talented players. Also amazed that you seem to rate his judgement so highly.

Those players may be talented players, but they are no use play Irvine type football, and that is why he doesn't play them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 22, 2014, 11:16:34 PM
Wait til Irvine is sacked and Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa and Varela get their chance. There's quality there, trust me (fwiw, I thought the Sinclair signing was poor at the time). Equally, you could argue the reverse by saying the same thing about Dorrans under Clarke who then had a revival when Mel came in. Dorrans wasn't doing anything wrong, Clarke just had a blind spot to him.

If those four players don't get their chance here, they'll show their quality at other clubs and it will be our loss. All four had consistently excellent reports from a number of clubs bigger than ours. It's testament to our recruitment team that we managed to snap then up in the first place.

Amazing that one man (Irvine) stands in the way of us getting to see four talented players. Also amazed that you seem to rate his judgement so highly.

I hope you are right that they are quality players. Irvine sees them on the training pitch nearly every day, If he thinks they are good enough to be in the team surely he'll play them because his job depends on it. Van Wolfswinkel was highly rated and was a flop at Norwich for example. Plenty of foreign players turn out to be flops in the Premier League while some will turn out to be quality players. Let's hope its the latter for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 22, 2014, 11:21:23 PM
Those players may be talented players, but they are no use play Irvine type football, and that is why he doesn't play them.

I'm not sure about that, I remember Irvine saying about the Liverpool game that he gave Gamboa instructions to express himself and go forward as much as possible. The fixtures next month will be interesting as there should be opportunities for some who haven't played much yet with the games coming thick and fast.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 11:25:45 PM
1 or 2 of these players who people are saying are not good enough looked pretty good in the World Cup. Gamboa looked great in a Costa Rica side that did very well. The problem is that we have a coaching team that is too scared to give these players a chance to find their feet in the Premier League. Cameo appearances won't do it and some of them don't even make the bench regularly.

Sorry, but I never wanted Irvine and his continuing presence (along with Downing) is strangling the club, because the football is awful to watch and not even effective. We've now conceded 2 goals in 6 of our last 7 games, so playing defensively just isn't working. I despaired at the appointment of Irvine and I'm despairing just as much at the outcome of it, which no-one needed to be a genius to predict.

As far as "Steve Madeley from the Express and Star on twitter 'Irvine isn't a fool. He knows his side need an attacking spark. If he thought Blanco, Samaras, Ideye etc could provide it, they'd play'" is concerned, it's depressing beyond words whichever way you look at it.
It was inevitable as soon as peace chose to side with the players and not with Mel (by sacking him and keeping downing and Kiely) that there would be a continuation of the same old British clique being favoured over our newer, exciting signings, and that the players' apathy would continue. Sticking with Mel was our only hope of inducing an effective culture change and seeing any kind of footballing ambition. By appointing Irvine, it reinforced the players' view that they could perform at any level and continue to be picked with the support of their mates downing and Kiely (as irvine is really only one step better than a "yes-man").

It was effectively a choice between styles- the players weren't good enough or fit enough to carry out Mel's style and so refused (particularly Reid and to an extent McAuley if you've read the interviews), and so the choice was stick with Mel and trust him to rebuild, or go with the players and bring in a new manager. We ended up doing an insufficient mixture of both by sacking Mel and rebuilding. Ironically we now have a squad that could probably carry out Mel's methods much more effectively than before.

This is where our current problems stem from and I called it as soon as Peace made that decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 11:32:08 PM
I hope you are right that they are quality players. Irvine sees them on the training pitch nearly every day, If he thinks they are good enough to be in the team surely he'll play them because his job depends on it. Van Wolfswinkel was highly rated and was a flop at Norwich for example. Plenty of foreign players turn out to be flops in the Premier League while some will turn out to be quality players. Let's hope its the latter for us.
The problem is I think he doesn't trust them enough defensively. Although there's some truth in that fear (with the likes of Gamboa, Blanco and Varela), there's a balance to be had and Irvine sways way too far on the defensive side. Sometimes you have to take some risks to get a reward and I fear he is just too cautious.

I'm not saying they'll all definitely be a success in this league, but I believe they'd have a very good chance if they were given the opportunity in the right system. Sadly, even if Irvine did play them I doubt they'd shine as his system is far too negative. That's why even though Berahino and sessegnon are very good players, you wouldn't know it based on some of their recent performances- they just haven't had the support from the rest of the midfield. It was also why Irvine's criticism of Berahino's performance was so strange after the Newcastle game- the reason he didn't get into the game was because none of the midfield players were allowed to get close enough to the striker to give him some kind of support!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 22, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
I'd just like to clarify- I have nothing personal against Irvine and I don't want him to fail. If he were to field an attacking, ambitious eleven including some of our new signings such as Blanco and Gamboa in one of the more appropriate upcoming home games then I'd put my views on hold.

However, I have to base my views on the evidence we have, and there is nothing to suggest that that is likely to happen. Everything I have heard from Wednesday and Preston fans, and everything I have so far seen with my own eyes suggests that the current cautiousness is only likely to continue, if not get worse.

I hope to be proved wrong, but I doubt I will be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 23, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
If Irvine resorts to Anichibe up front, and hoof ball, at home next week (As we played vs Newcastle) then he has to be moved on.

Fearing far too much that he's out of his depth. I'm also of the opinion that the Head Coach approach is dead in the water.

It's no surprise that the only time this club has looked stable and consistent in the prem was when a proper manager was in charge (Roy).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 23, 2014, 12:03:18 AM
OK its not AI fault that all the new signings aren't good enough to play premiership football (in some peoples posts, i believe it is) than JP sack the blokes who put them forward these players were brought here to improve the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on November 23, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
If AI doesnt trust or rate the new signing and is going to stick with the players/ formations that he has used so far this season then we are in trouble. I have seen nothing that has filled me with any confidence.  How  can things be turned around.?..yes we played a fabulous title winning team yesterday but 2 weeks ago we didnt and yet we still looked as poor lacking any drive/urgency or tactical awareness to change as the games progressed.
We will struggle to bring names in in January and who (apart from SB and BF) is going to take any of the current squad to make room ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2014, 08:39:40 AM
Absolutely disgusted with yesterday's performance. We work on organisation all week yet we were abysmal defensively. Their goal off a corner? Pretty simply marking to me? And why play so deep? Have a go at them, pressure them. We didn't have a player in their area once today, that's ridiculous. Also team selection, again awful. Baird at lb ? Appealing for offside every time, surely brunt or lescott better in that position? And as for substitutions. All 3 we're laughable and didn't change the system in any way, it obviously wasn't working so change it. Absolutely disgusted and for me it's time to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 23, 2014, 08:40:29 AM
Agree entirely
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 23, 2014, 08:42:42 AM
A coach is there to develope the a squad of players in ALL aspects of playing the game so i dont buy this idea that he doesn't now how to play one way & not the other ITS fear, hes frightened of losing the job that hes craved for all his life & he F---ed twice & has been given a third chance & is terrified of failing again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 23, 2014, 09:07:30 AM
Not happy with Irvine for a couple of things from Yesterday. We do so much work during the week on containing them but yet we gave them two pretty soft goals. Secondly we not give Brown some game time we have spent ten million pounds on him, I want to see him playing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 23, 2014, 09:19:32 AM
We can all argue about which of the new guys should/shouldn't play, for me the single biggest mistake irvine makes is not to play Sess?
Cannot get my head around it at all.

On the bigger debate, no didn't want him, but think he's done ok , in reality if we were 3-4 points better off most would be happy, maybe just maybe premiership continuation is getting a touch boring and we (supporters) could do with a few seasons of up/down excitement.
You appreciate what you have when it's gone....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on November 23, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Is it irvines fault that most of our signings were cheap or free unproven players no. Is it irvines fault most of last years signings still with us were poor no. But what is irvines fault is he had enough time to see what was needed to improve us as a attacking threat and we didn't solve that. He won't be here long and hopefully the likes of Davidson,samaras,blanco,brown,anichebe,yacob,Baird follow him. He can also take downing and burton with him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 23, 2014, 01:54:37 PM
Somebody on twitter pointed out that his comments in his pre-match interview were disingenuous.

Said if we 'go to sit back' then we'll ultimately be unpicked. And yet he then goes and choses a defensive, narrow, team selection which was set up to do nothing but sit back.

I think the guy is nice, I really do. A gentleman. But he is not right for this club.

JP must have had some fears else he wouldn't have awarded only a 1 year rolling contract.

Tim Sherwood is still free. Look at what he did with Spurs, and how Poch is struggling with same (arguably better) squad - says something for TS imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 23, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Is it irvines fault that most of our signings were cheap or free unproven players no. Is it irvines fault most of last years signings still with us were poor no. But what is irvines fault is he had enough time to see what was needed to improve us as a attacking threat and we didn't solve that. He won't be here long and hopefully the likes of Davidson,samaras,blanco,brown,anichebe,yacob,Baird follow him. He can also take downing and burton with him.

This ! alot players are at championship level and were playing in the premiership, Downing stays on regardless of irvines position dull but happy family atmosphere in dressing room continues we need someone with a temper at the albion sounds crazy but to many players had it nice here for far to long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 23, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
Somebody on twitter pointed out that his comments in his pre-match interview were disingenuous.

Said if we 'go to sit back' then we'll ultimately be unpicked. And yet he then goes and choses a defensive, narrow, team selection which was set up to do nothing but sit back.

I think the guy is nice, I really do. A gentleman. But he is not right for this club.

JP must have had some fears else he wouldn't have awarded only a 1 year rolling contract.

Tim Sherwood is still free. Look at what he did with Spurs, and how Poch is struggling with same (arguably better) squad - says something for TS imo.

I'm sadly coming to agree with you and others, but that isn't to say that those who never gave the guy a chance are right. He should get till Christmas I think, we're ok league wise so far.

But I'm 100% against Sherwood, the guy is just a loud mouth and has said he isn't that focused on tactics and strategy. He's simply not good and I wouldn't want him here breeding discontent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 23, 2014, 03:46:15 PM
Id like to read what the ITK'rs are hearing about higher managements views on AI's performance to date?
Are there still undercurrents of dissent floating around the dressing room?
What is the inside track on why he won't play the likes of Valera, Brown, Gamboa etc, etc?
Just wondering like and not trying to start a fight 'because the real ITK'rs have been pretty accurate about many things in the past
I know what I think but would like to hear more informed views.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 23, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
I'm sadly coming to agree with you and others, but that isn't to say that those who never gave the guy a chance are right. He should get till Christmas I think, we're ok league wise so far.

But I'm 100% against Sherwood, the guy is just a loud mouth and has said he isn't that focused on tactics and strategy. He's simply not good and I wouldn't want him here breeding discontent.

Why not Sherwood if he bought in his own backroom team in and we got rid of the two coach who have failed with the last 3 head coaches. At least Sherwood's football would be far more positive and attractive to watch than what we are seeing now. I dont care if he is a loud mouth you could consider Mouriniho a loud mouth so wouldn't you want him?       
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 23, 2014, 05:08:42 PM
Somebody on twitter pointed out that his comments in his pre-match interview were disingenuous.

Said if we 'go to sit back' then we'll ultimately be unpicked. And yet he then goes and choses a defensive, narrow, team selection which was set up to do nothing but sit back.

I think the guy is nice, I really do. A gentleman. But he is not right for this club.

JP must have had some fears else he wouldn't have awarded only a 1 year rolling contract.

Tim Sherwood is still free. Look at what he did with Spurs, and how Poch is struggling with same (arguably better) squad - says something for TS imo.
A team with Sess and Berahino in is not one set up to sit back but don't let facts spoil your rant. ;-)

Tim Sherwood still being free could be an indication of his ability.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
A team with Sess and Berahino in is not one set up to sit back but don't let facts spoil your rant. ;-)

Tim Sherwood still being free could be an indication of his ability.


Are you serious? 2 players out of the whole team were attacking and even they were more focused on defending. Having read some of your comments it seems like irvine can do no wrong. He is woefully out of his depth and I am hearing rumours of discontent over the foreign contingent. He seems to love his British core which is fine but it's not working.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 23, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
Why is Irvine so reluctant to select anyone but a British national?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 23, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
A team with Sess and Berahino in is not one set up to sit back but don't let facts spoil your rant. ;-)

Tim Sherwood still being free could be an indication of his ability.
Two out out of eleven players?! Are you serious?

Agree that Sherwood isn't the answer. Which makes things even more worrying considering he was the other "outstanding candidate"  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on November 23, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
About time we scrapped this Head Coach malarkey. Get a proper man manager back. God I miss Roy :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on November 23, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
We are just three points off 19th spot. With Irvine persisting with his ultra negative tactics we will soon be occupying that position - and will stay there, or drop to the very bottom. What is JP playing at! He is presiding over our demise by giving such support to Irvine. It's time for Albion fans to demonstrate our displeasure. :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 23, 2014, 06:25:16 PM
Two out out of eleven players?! Are you serious?

Agree that Sherwood isn't the answer. Which makes things even more worrying considering he was the other "outstanding candidate"  ???

Yep, the focus is 85% on defence to 15% on attack. Sess is only half an attacking player in Irvine's system. And that explains why the likes of Varela and Blanco will not have much joy under AI, the system is far too restrictive.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 23, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
Yep, the focus is 85% on defence to 15% on attack. Sess is only half an attacking player in Irvine's system. And that explains why the likes of Varela and Blanco will not have much joy under AI, the system is far too restrictive.

Ive said it before Sess plays more of the game has a attacking midfielder than playing just behind SB, to many time SB is all alone up front with no one to play off or on to.4411 my backside its more like 451
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 23, 2014, 07:08:22 PM
Ive said it before Sess plays more of the game has a attacking midfielder than playing just behind SB, to many time SB is all alone up front with no one to play off or on to.4411 my backside its more like 451

Precisely. AI's profound instinctive cautiousness is strangling the life out of the team (btw I think JP shares that personal trait with AI and that is what made AI appeal to him). I just don't see how we will survive this season under AI, unless some kind of Divine Intervention saves us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 23, 2014, 07:17:53 PM
Two out out of eleven players?! Are you serious?

Agree that Sherwood isn't the answer. Which makes things even more worrying considering he was the other "outstanding candidate"  ???
The suggestion was that we only set up to defend.  Not true.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 23, 2014, 07:48:24 PM
The suggestion was that we only set up to defend.  Not true.

Not true in the sense that a hoofball forward is an attacking play, therefore by default Irvine teams also have offense. Or 10 men playing deep and compact spend 90+ minutes trying to find the perfect through ball for the one player that is up top. It's a bit ridiculous isn't it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 23, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Why not Sherwood if he bought in his own backroom team in and we got rid of the two coach who have failed with the last 3 head coaches. At least Sherwood's football would be far more positive and attractive to watch than what we are seeing now. I dont care if he is a loud mouth you could consider Mouriniho a loud mouth so wouldn't you want him?     

Jose is a loud mouth and a bloody bad sport. I wouldn't be overly happy with him being in charge no. Because achieving is all well and good, but it's how you achieve that is equally important to me, a bad winner isn't something i'm aiming for.

Sherwood however isn't 1% of Jose career wise and has stated he isn't overly concerned with tactics. How on earth can you have a head coach who isn't bothered by tactics?!!! He said something along the lines of he doesn't do formations. The players know where they are good, I'll leave it to their judgement! Madness!

If sherwood came he would be very vocal about wanting new players and divide the club, he's a young harry redknapp and he'd ruin us, or rather JP wouldn't allow it and it would all be a public mess.... No thanks from me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on November 23, 2014, 08:16:18 PM
Don't like to pick on him when we've just been beaten by the probable Champions this  season, but I think the team is less adventurous than under Clarke or di Matteo. The best all round trainers know how to defend and know how to attack. AI understands the defensive side of the game quite well. The basic rule is that you stay compact and organised.
I don't think he knows how , or wants , to set teams up to attack. Look at the top sides. They attack as a unit. Not just one or 2 players isolated on their own up front. The midfield offers proper support. The backs add an extra option by getting forward into advanced positions. You play with width so you stretch opposition defences. Chelsea provided a perfect example of good attacking play. They basically try to pin down the opposition in their own half, by controlling the middle of the pitch, and then keeping the oposition under relentless pressure, each time they try to escape with the ball. You have to take a slight chance that the opposition don't knock the ball over your heads into the space behind you,  but you can snuff that out by having quick, mobile defenders. What I want to see is a coach who is not afraid to take the game to the opposition, to try and occupy the midfield as a base to launch attacks, not to get stuck deep  in your own half. Don't think we will see that from AI.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on November 23, 2014, 08:22:00 PM
After watching the Palace game on TV the difference in there set up is startling they had wide attacking players, midfield driving forward, desire in the players and most important they entertained with a win, a far cry from the way AI has set the Albion in recent games defensive boring boring football. Instead of starting a defensive game a tactic AI always sets his team they took the fight to them and Entertained
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 23, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
Alan Irvine

Stay - 119 (28.7%)

Go - 296 (71.3%)

Total Members Voted: 415

Can we get the poll reset please mods? See where we all stand now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: telford baggie on November 23, 2014, 08:34:32 PM
After watching the Palace game on TV the difference in there set up is startling they had wide attacking players, midfield driving forward, desire in the players and most important they entertained with a win, a far cry from the way AI has set the Albion in recent games defensive boring boring football. Instead of starting a defensive game a tactic AI always sets his team they took the fight to them and Entertained
my exact thoughts when watching the palace game and thats a neil warnock team..we have got to be one of the worst footballing teams in the prem very predictable slow in midfield and boring to watch..shame when we could potentially have a quick attacking team but we dont set up to go and attack teams.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2014, 08:37:57 PM
The suggestion was that we only set up to defend.  Not true.

We quite clearly we're set up for a nil nil. And to defend only. He couldn't really drop sess or berahino so I don't get your defence of him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 23, 2014, 08:46:01 PM
The mind boggles at some of these posts from a seemingly intelligent person, I give VVV more credit than trolling but it is clear for anyone to see that Irvine's raison d'etre tactically is to contain, frustrate and defend. It's geared around the oppositions strengths and not our own. He even has Sessegnon back defending corners...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 23, 2014, 08:49:10 PM
I have absolutely no problem setting up like we did against Chelsea and the like away from home, but when we set up against Newcastle and Crystal Place at home like it we have problems.
We will pick up points away from home but i dread to think of our home record come the end of the season.
Three at the back and wing backs for me, we have the players no doudt and with that formation you can play with two up front, might frighten AI to death.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2014, 08:54:15 PM
He even has Sessegnon back defending corners...

Shame he didn't bloody defend it on Saturday rather than looking around aimlessly!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 23, 2014, 08:55:53 PM
We quite clearly we're set up for a nil nil. And to defend only. He couldn't really drop sess or berahino so I don't get your defence of him.
Nil nil would have been a great result against Chelsea. Remind me, who has taken a point off them at Stamford Bridge this season?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 23, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
We are just three points off 19th spot. With Irvine persisting with his ultra negative tactics we will soon be occupying that position - and will stay there, or drop to the very bottom. What is JP playing at! He is presiding over our demise by giving such support to Irvine. It's time for Albion fans to demonstrate our displeasure. :-X

We are also just four points off 8th place, currently occupied by no less than Arsenal, Everton and Tottenham!

FFS - we are on par for where we need to be with a third of the season gone.  We are in 13th place!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 23, 2014, 09:05:55 PM
The mind boggles at some of these posts from a seemingly intelligent person, I give VVV more credit than trolling but it is clear for anyone to see that Irvine's raison d'etre tactically is to contain, frustrate and defend. It's geared around the oppositions strengths and not our own. He even has Sessegnon back defending corners...
Away at Chelsea most managers aim to contain, frustrate and defend,  and to be critical of Irvine for attempting it is ridiculous.  To suggest we only set out to get a nil nil draw is also false because we started with two counter attacking players up front and had three strikers on the bench, who had we been able to maintain a clean sheet (granted highly optimistic against a great Chelsea side) or at least been in touch towards the latter part of the game could have been introduced.  Going two nil down with one arguably offside and the other given away to easily (Sess failing to get back and mark his player ;)) and having Yacob sent off didn't allow that to happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 23, 2014, 09:09:27 PM
The mind boggles at some of these posts from a seemingly intelligent person, I give VVV more credit than trolling but it is clear for anyone to see that Irvine's raison d'etre tactically is to contain, frustrate and defend. It's geared around the oppositions strengths and not our own. He even has Sessegnon back defending corners...
What do you believe are our strengths that we are not playing to?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 23, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Retaining possession (as opposed to Foster giving the ball back to the opposition at every opportunity).

Incisive quick passing from the likes of Brunt, Morrison and Sessegnon (as opposed to Dorrans receiving the ball and turning it back to Wisdom ad infinitum)

Through balls from midfield for Berahino to run in behind (as opposed to 5 passes round the deep static midfield then back to Dawson to lump into the channels for Berahino to chase)

That's with the woeful team selection. Imagine what he could ask them to do if he picked the flair players...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
Nil nil would have been a great result against Chelsea. Remind me, who has taken a point off them at Stamford Bridge this season?

We didn't get a nil nil though and never we're going to. We didn't set foot in their area, we needed to, we could have nicked a couple like we did last year. No urgency when on the ball. Time wasting at 2 nil down. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
Retaining possession (as opposed to Foster giving the ball back to the opposition at every opportunity).

Incisive quick passing from the likes of Brunt, Morrison and Sessegnon (as opposed to Dorrans receiving the ball and turning it back to Wisdom ad infinitum)

Through balls from midfield for Berahino to run in behind (as opposed to 5 passes round the deep static midfield then back to Dawson to lump into the channels for Berahino to chase)

That's with the woeful team selection. Imagine what he could ask them to do if he picked the flair players...
There may be one or two question marks about some of his defending but Dawson's use of the ball has been much better than any of our other centre backs of the last couple of years.
Your mate Shane Long of course had the superb service of the likes of Reid, Olsson and G-Mac to feed from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on November 23, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
Jose is a loud mouth and a bloody bad sport. I wouldn't be overly happy with him being in charge no. Because achieving is all well and good, but it's how you achieve that is equally important to me, a bad winner isn't something i'm aiming for.

Sherwood however isn't 1% of Jose career wise and has stated he isn't overly concerned with tactics. How on earth can you have a head coach who isn't bothered by tactics?!!! He said something along the lines of he doesn't do formations. The players know where they are good, I'll leave it to their judgement! Madness!

If sherwood came he would be very vocal about wanting new players and divide the club, he's a young harry redknapp and he'd ruin us, or rather JP wouldn't allow it and it would all be a public mess.... No thanks from me!
jose is one of the best managers i have ever seen, and he is a character,showman and personality, that is one of the things i hate about modern football no characters or personalities in the fame now. I think he is a breath of fresh air and i hope Chelsea win the league.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 23, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
There may be one or two question marks about some of his defending but Dawson's use of the ball has been much better than any of our other centre backs of the last couple of years.
Your mate Shane Long of course had the superb service of the likes of Reid, Olsson and G-Mac to feed from.

It is not a criticism of Dawson, it is a criticism of the way we play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 23, 2014, 10:50:56 PM
jose is one of the best managers i have ever seen, and he is a character,showman and personality, that is one of the things i hate about modern football no characters or personalities in the fame now. I think he is a breath of fresh air and i hope Chelsea win the league.

No characters at all really is there. Players are all robots and media trained. You know, like you said, you know,  great bunch of lads, you know, to be fair, you know, at the end of the day, you know, yeah no i mean, you know, worked hard, you know.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on November 23, 2014, 11:10:48 PM
No characters at all really is there. Players are all robots and media trained. You know, like you said, you know,  great bunch of lads, you know, to be fair, you know, at the end of the day, you know, yeah no i mean, you know, worked hard, you know.
spot on, all robots no fun or laughs during interviews all boring!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on November 24, 2014, 06:55:24 AM
Set up to defend yet no one on the post at corners.A person on the post would most likely have prevented Hazard's goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 07:08:55 AM
Set up to defend yet no one on the post at corners.A person on the post would most likely have prevented Hazard's goal.
Sess doing his job and marking Hazard would most likely have prevented his goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 07:32:16 AM
We didn't get a nil nil though and never we're going to. We didn't set foot in their area, we needed to, we could have nicked a couple like we did last year. No urgency when on the ball. Time wasting at 2 nil down. Disgusting.
And this is why Irvine (or anyone for that matter) stands little chance of succeeding here. Some of our fans appear to have little concept of reality. I agree, we were never going to get a nil nil, nothing to do with Irvine being in charge but more the current gulf between the two clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 24, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
And this is why Irvine (or anyone for that matter) stands little chance of succeeding here. Some of our fans appear to have little concept of reality. I agree, we were never going to get a nil nil, nothing to do with Irvine being in charge but more the current gulf between the two clubs.

If your happy to roll over against bigger clubs then fair play. We've proved before that with a bit of urgency on the counter we can get results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 08:44:16 AM
Clueless, inept manager coach. Scared of attacking football.

Starting to reach that moment where I've simply had enough of the Albion. I can take being passed off the park by the league leaders. But I can't take wanting to hold a 2-0, we're not minnows the third round of the cup.

There is no plan A let alone plan B. I really worry when the likes of Baird start over any kind of attacking player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2014, 08:48:49 AM
Can you imagine having to stomach this brand another season in the league below 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
If your happy to roll over against bigger clubs then fair play. We've proved before that with a bit of urgency on the counter we can get results.
Realistic enough to accept defeat against a club that are currently showing the form to win the league at a canter. 
Chelsea have gone 12 games unbeaten at the start of the season,  a club record, and are already 7 points clear of their nearest rivals. We set up to try and contain them and counter attack. An arguably dubious offside decision and a sending off put pay to that and Chelsea showed the quality they really are.
Haven't lost much sleep over the result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2014, 09:04:15 AM
He's got the next two home games to make some difference .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
When throughout that game did we 'counter' . Camped in our half watching as they passed around us. They stopped playing after the first half when they knew we wouldn't venture further than the half way line.

Oh and the sending off was already at 2-0. Wouldn't have made any difference, if anything it made us tighter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on November 24, 2014, 09:42:16 AM
There may be one or two question marks about some of his defending but Dawson's use of the ball has been much better than any of our other centre backs of the last couple of years.
Your mate Shane Long of course had the superb service of the likes of Reid, Olsson and G-Mac to feed from.

Absolutely agree with that. Dawsons distribution is really very good and something ive noticed about him this season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 24, 2014, 09:53:04 AM
After watching the Palace game on TV the difference in there set up is startling they had wide attacking players, midfield driving forward, desire in the players and most important they entertained with a win, a far cry from the way AI has set the Albion in recent games defensive boring boring football. Instead of starting a defensive game a tactic AI always sets his team they took the fight to them and Entertained


Win or lose thats the way i love to see us play. You have to respect yourself for others to respect you.
I believe AI cant bring himself to allow his team to play with such dearing & freedom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 24, 2014, 09:59:14 AM
And this is why Irvine (or anyone for that matter) stands little chance of succeeding here. Some of our fans appear to have little concept of reality. I agree, we were never going to get a nil nil, nothing to do with Irvine being in charge but more the current gulf between the two clubs.
What does our concept of reality have to do with him being a success? He will not be judged on our opinion, but on results, therefore if he is any good he will succeed, if not he won't. That is reality.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 24, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
Realistic enough to accept defeat against a club that are currently showing the form to win the league at a canter. 
Chelsea have gone 12 games unbeaten at the start of the season,  a club record, and are already 7 points clear of their nearest rivals. We set up to try and contain them and counter attack. An arguably dubious offside decision and a sending off put pay to that and Chelsea showed the quality they really are.
Haven't lost much sleep over the result.


Na nore me but i've had nightmares about how we played.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 24, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
He's certainly making me eat my words.

Long may it continue!

And now i've gone the other way.  :D

I think we can all agree the football is dire.

However, he is doing what we all wanted him to do and keeping us out of the relegation zone.... for now.

I wasn't getting too excited back then, and I am not getting too concerned now as knowing us we will probably beat Arsenal next week.

We all now Irvine isn't going anywhere anytime soon and even if he does, his potential replacements are just as concerning. Dave Jones anyone?

Yes things are bad but they are better than we expected they'd be at this point when we were talking about it in the Summer.

If a ideal coach becomes available then we need to move but for now I think it's better the devil you know.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
Ideal replacement looks to be Eddie Howe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 24, 2014, 10:55:53 AM
Ideal replacement looks to be Eddie Howe

Not a chance.

When was the last time we had a manager/head coach that was in a manager/head coach role?

Irvine coaching the youth team
Mel was out of work
Clarke was out of work having just left liverpool (i think)
Hodgson was out of work

I think the last bloke we had in that was in a head coach type role was Mowbray.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 24, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
Wouldnt get rid of him just yet but we are now in the festive period games coming thick and fast and i dont want to see that muppet in charge of our team again until a new man is appointed.

Unfortunately the cons are starting to outway the pros for me personally not only do we look stale but we have players who arent getting a chance valera and brown spring to mind who could potentially give us the spark we need. Why buy a striker for 10 million and not play him seems stupid i know it wasnt Irvine and he clearly doesnt rate him so the fingers have to point at our system and current set up.

We also have some very worrying stats that are starting to creep up on us, Five goals from open play and one player getting more than a single goal so far this season is frankly little bit disturbing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
Ideal replacement looks to be Eddie Howe
Is his time at Burnley classed a success?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
In the coming games he has an opportunity to win over the fans who are really starting to turn. I was in the camp of I didn't want him, still dont, but prepared to give him a chance.

If we don't win one of the games against Arsenal , West Ham or Hull he will be in trouble and more than likely we will be in the bottom 3. Big week coming up for Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 24, 2014, 11:27:43 AM
Is his time at Burnley classed a success?

Was like a fish out of water up there. Seems to get a nose bleed if he goes any further north than Swindon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 11:30:56 AM
Personally I don't know who the answer is, but based on current showings Howe is doing well. Played us off the park in the cup, a team full of energy which was a huge contrast to ours. Doing well in the league too. Not looked much further into his career, but it his record on face value seems better than Irvines anyway in terms of win %.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 24, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
We wouldn't pay the compensation for Howe so cross him off the list.

HOWE
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 11:42:45 AM
Wouldnt get rid of him just yet but we are now in the festive period games coming thick and fast and i dont want to see that muppet in charge of our team again until a new man is appointed.

Unfortunately the cons are starting to outway the pros for me personally not only do we look stale but we have players who arent getting a chance valera and brown spring to mind who could potentially give us the spark we need. Why buy a striker for 10 million and not play him seems stupid i know it wasnt Irvine and he clearly doesnt rate him so the fingers have to point at our system and current set up.

We also have some very worrying stats that are starting to creep up on us, Five goals from open play and one player getting more than a single goal so far this season is frankly little bit disturbing.
Varela has had an operation and been injured and given the only game time available to him. Berahino has been playing instead of Brown and has gotten a call up from England because of it,  what other coach do you expect would have dropped him for Brown?
Goal stats are disturbing but similar to those for teams in similar positions as ourselves. (Villa have scored 5 all season!)
We are doing as well as expected and Peace will not sack Irvine because of that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 24, 2014, 11:45:42 AM
Varela has had an operation and been injured and given the only game time available to him. Berahino has been playing instead of Brown and has gotten a call up from England because of it,  what other coach do you expect would have dropped him for Brown?
Goal stats are disturbing but similar to those for teams in similar positions as ourselves. (Villa have scored 5 all season!)
We are doing as well as expected and Peace will not sack Irvine because of that.

Was valera injured saturday ?.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
Personally I don't know who the answer is, but based on current showings Howe is doing well. Played us off the park in the cup, a team full of energy which was a huge contrast to ours. Doing well in the league too. Not looked much further into his career, but it his record on face value seems better than Irvines anyway in terms of win %.
Done well in tiers 3 and 4 with Bournemouth, took Burnley backwards in tier 2 and is doing well back with Bournemouth at the moment.
Arsene Wenger might be available if we get a result against them but that would mean he has been beaten by Irvine so now I'm confused!   ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
Was valera injured saturday ?.
Having recently played in the behind closed doors friendly I would find it difficult to believe he is still injured.  As that appears to have been his only "competitive" football in a couple of months I would imagine his "fitness" to play against arguably the best team in the Premier League might have been in question?  The only team that are currently in better form in the Premier League are Newcastle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 24, 2014, 12:09:11 PM
Having recently played in the behind closed doors friendly I would find it difficult to believe he is still injured.  As that appears to have been his only "competitive" football in a couple of months I would imagine his "fitness" to play against arguably the best team in the Premier League might have been in question?  The only team that are currently in better form in the Premier League are Newcastle.
And not so long ago fans were calling for him to be sacked, I bet those same fans are saying thank god we didn't sack him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
And not so long ago fans were calling for him to be sacked, I bet those same fans are saying thank god we didn't sack him.

Problem being can you see us winning 6 in a row? I certainly can't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 24, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
I'm not going to judge Irvine on matches against teams like Chelsea.  We are never likely to get a result - especially as the officials always help them.

However, with nothing to lose you'd have expected an opportunity to give game time to Ideye, Blanco or Varela.  If they are not fit enough after 4 months then they're not being coached properly.  (Or maybe lack of match time means they're not match fit?)  Especially when the international break was seen as an opportunity to get these players fit, and they played (and made an impact) in a friendly game during that time... and this was the 1st game afterwards.

Instead, 2 defensive players who have not played much (not match fit?) are suddenly bought into the 1st team - Baird and Yacob.  (Neither made it to the end of the game.)  And we have one of our best, most consistent players over 4/5 years Mulumbu sitting in the stands - and seemingly disgruntled about not being selected, despite playing in the previous game.

During the summer we knew we needed to bring in pace, creativity and width.  Presumably Blanco and Varela were the best players we could find in our budget?  They both come with with a good pedigree.  One played and scored during the world cup.  So, with these players (and Ideye) failing to make an impact in 4 months is the failure in recruitment or coaching?  If Irvine has the final say on player recruitment (as he says he does) then presumably the buck stops with him?  Maybe they just don't fit with Irvine's defensive and resilient approach to the game?  At the moment they look like a massive waste of our meagre resources.

Saturdays game poses a real opportunity to take points off one of the big clubs - who will have played a really strong European team on Wednesday night.  We need to start and play with a really high tempo.  They look very vulnerable at the back, holding back and defending will not end well for us - especially if we're going to concede 2 goals by default - we have to take the game to them.

If the same set of core players start again in midfield then I think we are missing the opportunity to get something out of the game and take that momentum and positivity forward into a run of more win-able games.  I'm not saying there should be wholesale changes, but Dorrans hasn't performed for weeks wide right, and maybe Blanco would contribute than Seesegnon?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 24, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
Having recently played in the behind closed doors friendly I would find it difficult to believe he is still injured.  As that appears to have been his only "competitive" football in a couple of months I would imagine his "fitness" to play against arguably the best team in the Premier League might have been in question?  The only team that are currently in better form in the Premier League are Newcastle.

Can you explain Baird or Yacob's selection then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 24, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
Problem being can you see us winning 6 in a row? I certainly can't
Could the Newcastle fans who were calling for him to be sacked is the question. I have always said that I didn't want Irvine as Coach or whatever his official role is, but as long as he is here he will get my backing as have many other managers and there have been a lot worse than Irvine at The Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 24, 2014, 12:38:08 PM
I'm not going to judge Irvine on matches against teams like Chelsea.  We are never likely to get a result - especially as the officials always help them.

However, with nothing to lose you'd have expected an opportunity to give game time to Ideye, Blanco or Varela.  If they are not fit enough after 4 months then they're not being coached properly.  (Or maybe lack of match time means they're not match fit?)  Especially when the international break was seen as an opportunity to get these players fit, and they played (and made an impact) in a friendly game during that time... and this was the 1st game afterwards.


Whilst I agree it was a perfect opportunity to play these players in a game we expected very little from, would have helped with fitness at a competive level.

Im glad they didnt play, and my reason for this is they cannot be used as the excuse for us not playing well.

If AI had played Varela, Brown, Blanco and Gamboa on saturday he would have had his excuse ready in terms of us not showing up to compete.

Like I have said on a different post, if the above 4 players are still not getting game time after the next 3 games, then surely serious questions need to be asked of AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 24, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
He said after the game that they had prepared for the short corner and that they should have started more on the front foot.
Sorry, but if that is true this group of players are not doing as instructed as there was absolutely no evidence of either on Saturday.
This just makes it more frustrating, if the players are not doing what they are instructed then the new guys should get a chance, surely?
It just doesn't make sense that he will not change things if we keep making the same mistakes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on November 24, 2014, 01:01:02 PM
Numerous interesting and pointed questions are continuously being asked on this forum about why the likes of Varela, Brown, Blanco and Gamboa are not being given any playing time. Why aren't our local journos asking the same questions of Irvine at one of his weekly press conferences? Fans surely have a right to hear some answers from the 'horses mouth'. It seems to me that, not including Brown, we invested less than £3m on about ten players. Lescott and Gardiner are amongst the ten and they have justified their signings but I can't say the same for many of the others. The well known phrase springs to mind - If you pay peanuts you get monkeys >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on November 24, 2014, 01:10:19 PM
After watching Palace v Liverpool yesterday I'd rather have Warnock in charge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on November 24, 2014, 01:12:25 PM
Could the Newcastle fans who were calling for him to be sacked is the question. I have always said that I didn't want Irvine as Coach or whatever his official role is, but as long as he is here he will get my backing as have many other managers and there have been a lot worse than Irvine at The Hawthorns.

he's on a par with Saunders mate to be fair
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 24, 2014, 01:13:15 PM
Realistic enough to accept defeat against a club that are currently showing the form to win the league at a canter. 
Chelsea have gone 12 games unbeaten at the start of the season,  a club record, and are already 7 points clear of their nearest rivals. We set up to try and contain them and counter attack. An arguably dubious offside decision and a sending off put pay to that and Chelsea showed the quality they really are.
Haven't lost much sleep over the result.

We made no effort to attack even with 11. I'd rather have a go at teams than what happened on Saturday. I don't get your constant love in with irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 24, 2014, 01:20:45 PM
QPR went to Chelsea and had a good go at them. They only went down to a narrow loss to late goals. Like most others I can accept defeat against better sides but there is no reason to fear them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on November 24, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
he's on a par with Saunders mate to be fair

Bloke is a complete waste of time and effort.

He's clueless. His pathetic explanations and selections are past a joke.

Get December 15th in your diary....#gonner

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on November 24, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
Maybe he thought Mulumbu might go in too hard and get sent off, whereas Yacob... oh...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 24, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Bloke is a complete waste of time and effort.

He's clueless. His pathetic explanations and selections are past a joke.

Get December 15th in your diary....#gonner
I've already got an entry on that day...'gonner be flying off to Spain' 8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 24, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
Bloke is a complete waste of time and effort.

He's clueless. His pathetic explanations and selections are past a joke.

Get December 15th in your diary....#gonner

The only way AI would be sacked this season is if we go on a terrible run of form, or we are in the bottom 3 come end of January.

If we are outside the relegation places, AI will be head coach for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on November 24, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
The only way AI would be sacked this season is if we go on a terrible run of form, or we are in the bottom 3 come end of January.

If we are outside the relegation places, AI will be head coach for the remainder of the season.
I agree with this. As bad as we've been this season, we're still 13th which probably says more about the other clubs than ourselves. The only way he will go is if we're in the bottom 3 for over a month or so, sadly this could be at the end of the season when we have some nasty fixtures bunched together.

I don't think it would ever happen due to finances but I'd love us to get Pulis. I know he's quite unpopular on here but the football he played at Palace was far nicer than Irvine's - but mostly with Pulis you know he's going to keep you up fairly comfortably.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 03:38:13 PM
Can you explain Baird or Yacob's selection then?

I am not Alan Irvine but I suspect something along the lines of Morrison was recovering from illness and playing mid-week so used the opportunity to put someone different in. Because the plan was to contain it was likely to be either Yacob or Mulumbu and as Mulumbu's recent form for the Albion had not been good, he had only returned from International duty mid week and is going to be lost for the Africa Nations Cup it was an opportunity to give Yacob a run out.

Poco was injured, options are Gamboa or Baird. Baird got the nod.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 24, 2014, 03:41:23 PM
Bottom three looms by the time we play the vile.lets hope this clueless tactically inept best head coach has been given the boot by qpr
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 24, 2014, 03:43:08 PM
Bottom three looms by the time we play the vile.lets hope this clueless tactically inept best head coach has been given the boot by qpr

By the time we do, they'll have come out of their slump and we will be at the peak of ours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 03:45:02 PM
Like I have said on a different post, if the above 4 players are still not getting game time after the next 3 games, then surely serious questions need to be asked of AI.

Or as has been suggested elsewhere, questions need to be asked of our recruitment team as to why they are no better than the players who are currently in the team? We may never be in the position to judge whether they could or would have bought something different to our game. I hope they do and believe, because of the nature of the Premier League, that they will get their opportunity at some point but I wouldn't just pick them because they haven't played much especially if they are struggling with training, language, whatever, as some seem to suggest we should.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Bottom three looms by the time we play the vile.lets hope this clueless tactically inept best head coach has been given the boot by qpr
Current form guide has us above nearly all the teams below us in the table, so what makes you think that they will improve and we will not?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
Bottom three looms by the time we play the vile.lets hope this clueless tactically inept best head coach has been given the boot by qpr
Harry Redknapp was being touted as the next England manager, although I personally do agree that he is clueless and tactically inept.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 24, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
I am not Alan Irvine but I suspect something along the lines of Morrison was recovering from illness and playing mid-week so used the opportunity to put someone different in. Because the plan was to contain it was likely to be either Yacob or Mulumbu and as Mulumbu's recent form for the Albion had not been good, he had only returned from International duty mid week and is going to be lost for the Africa Nations Cup it was an opportunity to give Yacob a run out.


Poco was injured, options are Gamboa or Baird. Baird got the nod.
and there lies the total aspirations of Irvines non attacking mentality by picking baird ahead of gamboa. will say it now bye bye and good riddance this job was above him and its just a matter of time before its proved, back to square one and another drawn out saga where we will be told theres not many candidates but take 6-8 weeks over the next appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 24, 2014, 03:57:26 PM
I am not Alan Irvine but I suspect something along the lines of Morrison was recovering from illness and playing mid-week so used the opportunity to put someone different in. Because the plan was to contain it was likely to be either Yacob or Mulumbu and as Mulumbu's recent form for the Albion had not been good, he had only returned from International duty mid week and is going to be lost for the Africa Nations Cup it was an opportunity to give Yacob a run out.

Poco was injured, options are Gamboa or Baird. Baird got the nod.

I could understand picking Yacob.

Poco was injured, the choices at left back were Wisdom, Davidson, Lescott, Brunt or Baird.  Or change formation and play with Brunt as a wing back and 3 CBs?  I don't think Baird was the correct option - against Chelsea I'd have tried 3 CBs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
We made no effort to attack even with 11. I'd rather have a go at teams than what happened on Saturday. I don't get your constant love in with irvine?
Constant love in? Just putting out a reasonable and rational argument against opinion based conjecture  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 04:00:10 PM
I can just about handle the negative tactics if we are picking up points , at times we have played some decent football so I'm always baffled when the hoof ball starts especially if it's to Anichebe who isn't exactly mobile.
The biggest question for me at the moment is hardly using the Summer signings , if it was one player not fitting in i could accept that but when you see Ideye , Gamboa , Samaras and Blanco sitting on the bench and sometimes not even that it set alarms ringing personally . How can we say any of them are not good enough , don't fit in , don't suit the league etc ...when at best they get 15 minutes or flung together with a load of strangers away in the cup at Bournemouth ? It seems Irvine is big on fitness well how will they ever get match fit if they aren't given a chance ?
I can't help but feeling we have gone back to jobs for the boys by picking the same side week after week ....it's dull and paying the amount we do i personally hope for a bit more for my time and money.
I want Irvine to do well as it means the team will too but serving up dull football and ignoring the other options he has will only lead to a quick exit. I hope I'm wrong but Irvine looked like a rabbit in the headlights pre match at Chelsea shaking hands with Jose , just seems out of his depth at the minute and that zip the players had looks to be gone too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 04:00:48 PM
and there lies the total aspirations of Irvines non attacking mentality by picking baird ahead of gamboa. will say it now bye bye and good riddance this job was above him and its just a matter of time before its proved, back to square one and another drawn out saga where we will be told theres not many candidates but take 6-8 weeks over the next appointment.
Sacking the bloke for picking a defender against Chelsea, I am glad you are not my boss!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
I could understand picking Yacob.

Poco was injured, the choices at left back were Wisdom, Davidson, Lescott, Brunt or Baird.  Or change formation and play with Brunt as a wing back and 3 CBs?  I don't think Baird was the correct option - against Chelsea I'd have tried 3 CBs.

Not sure Baird would have been my choice but to massively change the system in a game against the Champions elect at the minute would probably not have been a wise move either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 24, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Sacking the bloke for picking a defender against Chelsea, I am glad you are not my boss!
but he picked the poorer of the two and a more defensive one, its his nature to be defensive minded and it ends up with us having less attacking threat. we had a go at Chelsea last season and was unlucky not to get 3 points, we lost Saturday before a ball was kicked.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on November 24, 2014, 04:50:56 PM
Same old, same old.

It's like a cycle, only it just seems to get shorter and shorter.

Albion appoint a Head Coach - Albion fans eventually deem him unsuccessful - Albion fans want him out and replaced - New Head Coach appointed - Repeat.

I do actually get some of the reasons why Irvine has his dissenters, but I feel it is somewhat over the top. And what good does it do, really? Peace is strong willed and will only sack his man when he feels the time is right. Until then it won't do any harm to support Irvine. He has no agenda, he wants what we want, to be part of a successful football club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
Same old, same old.

It's like a cycle, only it just seems to get shorter and shorter.

Albion appoint a Head Coach - Albion fans eventually deem him unsuccessful - Albion fans want him out and replaced - New Head Coach appointed - Repeat.

I do actually get some of the reasons why Irvine has his dissenters, but I feel it is somewhat over the top. And what good does it do, really? Peace is strong willed and will only sack his man when he feels the time is right. Until then it won't do any harm to support Irvine. He has no agenda, he wants what we want, to be part of a successful football club.
I think we as a club are at the stage that we hope to survive each year AND see some attractive football , i don't think that's asking the world.Being honest i don't think Mel was the right choice nor Irvine to provide these things. I hope come Saturday Irvine makes some changes and we see some decent football that we have seen in spells so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
but he picked the poorer of the two and a more defensive one, its his nature to be defensive minded and it ends up with us having less attacking threat. we had a go at Chelsea last season and was unlucky not to get 3 points, we lost Saturday before a ball was kicked.   
In your opinion based on watching them play how many minutes of football?
Against Chelsea I wouldpick defenders who can ddefend because we might have been able to snatch one or maybe two if we were very lucky (although I don't think they have conceded more than one at home all season) but to need to have to score more than we would have let in would probably have been beyond us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 05:08:38 PM
I can just about handle the negative tactics if we are picking up points , at times we have played some decent football so I'm always baffled when the hoof ball starts especially if it's to Anichebe who isn't exactly mobile.
The biggest question for me at the moment is hardly using the Summer signings , if it was one player not fitting in i could accept that but when you see Ideye , Gamboa , Samaras and Blanco sitting on the bench and sometimes not even that it set alarms ringing personally . How can we say any of them are not good enough , don't fit in , don't suit the league etc ...when at best they get 15 minutes or flung together with a load of strangers away in the cup at Bournemouth ? It seems Irvine is big on fitness well how will they ever get match fit if they aren't given a chance ?
I can't help but feeling we have gone back to jobs for the boys by picking the same side week after week ....it's dull and paying the amount we do i personally hope for a bit more for my time and money.
I want Irvine to do well as it means the team will too but serving up dull football and ignoring the other options he has will only lead to a quick exit. I hope I'm wrong but Irvine looked like a rabbit in the headlights pre match at Chelsea shaking hands with Jose , just seems out of his depth at the minute and that zip the players had looks to be gone too.

The fact is we can not say whether they are any good but possibly the people who work with them every day should have a better idea. I hope it is just a case of them settling in to a culture change but perhaps it might just be that they are no better than we have already got?  Irvine has shown he will make changes, the back four, Berahino and the dropping of Mulumbu are testament of that. Would we want him to make changes to satisfy the curiosity of the support but ultimately the detriment of the team? Irvine has come out and used the phrase unfit but he can hardly come out and say poop!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 24, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
The fact is we can not say whether they are any good but possibly the people who work with them every day should have a better idea. I hope it is just a case of them settling in to a culture change but perhaps it might just be that they are no better than we have already got?  Irvine has shown he will make changes, the back four, Berahino and the dropping of Mulumbu are testament of that. Would we want him to make changes to satisfy the curiosity of the support but ultimately the detriment of the team? Irvine has come out and used the phrase unfit but he can hardly come out and say poop!

We cannot possibly play any worse.

I notice you asked me a question last night then when I answered you didn't say anything so I assume you agreed with me?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on November 24, 2014, 05:18:09 PM
when irvine was appointed sheff weds fans told us that he always played defensive and with no real width. he's never picked an attack minded eleven and he never will . same set up and result against arsenal on saturday . 2 nil down first half bring on more defensive players second half and hold out for a 2 nil loss
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 05:27:03 PM
We cannot possibly play any worse.

I notice you asked me a question last night then when I answered you didn't say anything so I assume you agreed with me?
We can clearly be worse, we could be Villa  ;) (or any of the other 6 teams below us)

I would assume I didn't see it  :D but if you provided reasoned argument supported by factual data I could quite possibly have.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
The fact is we can not say whether they are any good but possibly the people who work with them every day should have a better idea. I hope it is just a case of them settling in to a culture change but perhaps it might just be that they are no better than we have already got?  Irvine has shown he will make changes, the back four, Berahino and the dropping of Mulumbu are testament of that. Would we want him to make changes to satisfy the curiosity of the support but ultimately the detriment of the team? Irvine has come out and used the phrase unfit but he can hardly come out and say poop!
If the changes increase our attacking and prove to be a bit more pleasing on the eye then yes i would want him to make those changes in all honesty . You say the fact is but other facts are Gamboa had a great World Cup and really caught the eye (and played well at Liverpool) , Ideye has a good scoring record elsewhere , Samaras i was never sure on but he has scored goals at Celtic and in big European nights ...Blanco i admit i know little about . I find it hard to believe at least some of those four could offer less than what we already have and at the very least should have had more time on the pitch by now . I really rate Varela and couldn't believe it when he signed , the injury has been unlucky on Irvine but deep down i suspect Varela isn't Irvine's sort of player so no doubt we will get 5 mins off the bench here and there if we are chasing a game.
You say about Irvine changing the back four , fair enough on Dawson, Lescott and being brave enough to drop Olsson but fullback wise we didn't have one left from last season if i remember correct ? . Berahino is a lot of other peoples work gone into him before Irvine arrived but i can see he gave him an extended chance (i don't think there were many other options fit at that point though ). The main point for me though it's not as if 3 of those 4 players don't come with decent pedigree .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
Retaining possession (as opposed to Foster giving the ball back to the opposition at every opportunity).

Incisive quick passing from the likes of Brunt, Morrison and Sessegnon (as opposed to Dorrans receiving the ball and turning it back to Wisdom ad infinitum)

Through balls from midfield for Berahino to run in behind (as opposed to 5 passes round the deep static midfield then back to Dawson to lump into the channels for Berahino to chase)

That's with the woeful team selection. Imagine what he could ask them to do if he picked the flair players...
I assume you mean this one.

Passing out from the back, totally agree Foster lumping it down the middle doesn't work. Watch the next game and see how often he either gives it to Dawson or Lescott or tries to find brunt's head.
Mixing up quick incisive play whilst maintaining possession is key and knowing when it is appropriate. We have done this at times but not often enough and that is why we are a mid table team.
Personally,  I don't think Berahino is developed enough in his game yet to be relied on to make the appropriate runs up front (but that is just my opinion) but I can understand the difficulty in dropping the leading English scorer in the Premier league and putting in a relatively unknown £10M striker who has only done two things of note so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 05:51:31 PM
If the changes increase our attacking and prove to be a bit more pleasing on the eye then yes i would want him to make those changes in all honesty . You say the fact is but other facts are Gamboa had a great World Cup and really caught the eye (and played well at Liverpool) , Ideye has a good scoring record elsewhere , Samaras i was never sure on but he has scored goals at Celtic and in big European nights ...Blanco i admit i know little about . I find it hard to believe at least some of those four could offer less than what we already have and at the very least should have had more time on the pitch by now . I really rate Varela and couldn't believe it when he signed , the injury has been unlucky on Irvine but deep down i suspect Varela isn't Irvine's sort of player so no doubt we will get 5 mins off the bench here and there if we are chasing a game.
Exactly,  if the changes increase our attacking and prove to be more pleasing on the eye and get results (the bit you missed) then we would all want to see it, as would Irvine no doubt  If we played more attractive football but were currently in the bottom three do you not believe this place would be in meltdown?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
Exactly,  if the changes increase our attacking and prove to be more pleasing on the eye and get results (the bit you missed) then we would all want to see it, as would Irvine no doubt  If we played more attractive football but were currently in the bottom three do you not believe this place would be in meltdown?
Given the love for Mowbray on here then no  ;D , to be honest there's nothing to lose attacking wise . I have the same view on Saido as you , Sess is hit and miss and 1 goal in 18 isn't enough ...we then have Dorrans who has slipped a bit lately plus Brunt not much better but always has that one set piece in his locker or moment of class. Neither of the wide player get forward enough now and we have become too easy to defend against lately.
As i said in my first post today it is about results mainly and i can just about accept that but i refuse to believe this squad can't both entertain and pick up points better than this ...it's not as if we have just been promoted to this division.
All in all Imo if we carry on playing like this then we will slowly slip into the bottom three , conceding goals and not looking like scoring ....relegation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
Given the love for Mowbray on here then no  ;D , to be honest there's nothing to lose attacking wise . I have the same view on Saido as you , Sess is hit and miss and 1 goal in 18 isn't enough ...we then have Dorrans who has slipped a bit lately plus Brunt not much better but always has that one set piece in his locker or moment of class. Neither of the wide player get forward enough now and we have become too easy to defend against lately.
As i said in my first post today it is about results mainly and i can just about accept that but i refuse to believe this squad can't both entertain and pick up points better than this ...it's not as if we have just been promoted to this division.
All in all Imo if we carry on playing like this then we will slowly slip into the bottom three , conceding goals and not looking like scoring ....relegation.
The form of the teams around us would suggest differently but they could improve, as could we. If it was simple the bookies would be very poor! (TM was given plenty of leniency for having previously got us promoted, do you think AI would be afforded such respect?)

I still believe Varela will have a significant impact on our season, not so sure of anyone else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 24, 2014, 06:29:42 PM
I really worry when the likes of Baird start over any kind of attacking player.

Which attacking player has Baird started infront of?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
The form of the teams around us would suggest differently but they could improve, as could we. If it was simple the bookies would be very poor! (TM was given plenty of leniency for having previously got us promoted, do you think AI would be afforded such respect?)

I still believe Varela will have a significant impact on our season, not so sure of anyone else.
No , the only thing on Irvine's side is he appears to have been JP's choice or part choice (i suspect Burton had a big say) . JP had his fingers burnt by not sacking Mowbray in the Jan of the relegation season....i don't think he would make that mistake again (he didn't with RDM) especially after admitting his wrongs last season and the buck stops with him etc .
I have high hopes for Varela but even then we are banking on one player on the back of known injuries when frankly we should be using or at least trying to use other options.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 24, 2014, 06:47:15 PM
Alan Irvine: First goal killed West Brom off

West Brom boss Alan Irvine believes Chelsea’s controversial opening goal spoiled his team’s chances of pulling off a shock at Stamford Bridge.

 A headline tonight!! What sort of statements that  :o :o just admitting he went for a njl njl or press misrepresentation. Either way its a fail for not only Irvine but the clubs PR dept too!" >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 24, 2014, 06:53:48 PM
No , the only thing on Irvine's side is he appears to have been JP's choice or part choice (i suspect Burton had a big say) . JP had his fingers burnt by not sacking Mowbray in the Jan of the relegation season....i don't think he would make that mistake again (he didn't with RDM) especially after admitting his wrongs last season and the buck stops with him etc .
I have high hopes for Varela but even then we are banking on one player on the back of known injuries when frankly we should be using or at least trying to use other options.
I was on about the fans still supporting TM even with poor results more so than JP. JP will not sack, in my opinon, Irvine on the basis of our position and form at the minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
I was on about the fans still supporting TM even with poor results more so than JP. JP will not sack, in my opinon, Irvine on the basis of our position and form at the minute.
Oh got you ....I actually think Irvine hasn't had enough respect to start with but at the same time he hasn't helped himself at times . All still in his hands , i believe the tools are there and i hope he does get us going and attacking better . Good debating with you. :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 24, 2014, 07:53:20 PM
there was nothing in his record for supporters for fans to grab hold of and respect. Respect has to be earned and at this level he has literally done nothing as the man in charge to be respected for. Not totally his fault it was imo a non sensical appointment from the powers that be that has never been satisfactorily explained!!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 24, 2014, 08:04:31 PM
It is not a criticism of Dawson, it is a criticism of the way we play?
Fair enough - the mention of Long is relevant ......it was almost standard practise under Roy and Clarke playing away against the big boys....Shane Long was isolated and chasing aimless long balls a lot of the time. Main point is that it's not just AI's management ....in fact I would say we've done it a lot less under him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 24, 2014, 08:13:02 PM
Fair enough - the mention of Long is relevant ......it was almost standard practise under Roy and Clarke playing away against the big boys....Shane Long was isolated and chasing aimless long balls a lot of the time. Main point is that it's not just AI's management ....in fact I would say we've done it a lot less under him.

That was Longs game, chasing downn the channels because the ball stuck to him about once in every ten attempts when played in to his body or feet. Has no relevance, the argument when Long was here was that Odemwingie should have been up front.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 24, 2014, 09:30:20 PM
Could the Newcastle fans who were calling for him to be sacked is the question. I have always said that I didn't want Irvine as Coach or whatever his official role is, but as long as he is here he will get my backing as have many other managers and there have been a lot worse than Irvine at The Hawthorns.

He is the worst by FAR the little respect some fans have given him seems to me to be down to him being our head mam i would bet you loads that they would be givin it large if he had been signed by say Villia or them dog heads
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 24, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
we the fans have never sang Alan Irvine,s name and seeing as still singing the pepe mel song shows there is no respect for him or peace inside the ground .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on November 24, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
we the fans have never sang Alan Irvine,s name and seeing as still singing the pepe mel song shows there is no respect for him or peace inside the ground .

You sure about that? I've heard his name being sung towards the back of the smethwick on a few occasions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 24, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
You sure about that? I've heard his name being sung towards the back of the smethwick on a few occasions.
And at Leicester.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 24, 2014, 10:01:34 PM
That was Longs game, chasing downn the channels because the ball stuck to him about once in every ten attempts when played in to his body or feet. Has no relevance, the argument when Long was here was that Odemwingie should have been up front.
Long likes quality balls down the channels not the stuff he was invariably served up especially away from home. Anyway this is the Alan Irvine thread...I just don't agree that you can pin the aimless long ball tag on him as he's using it less than his two predecessors.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 24, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
And at Leicester.
at the hawthorns ? not that I can hear
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 24, 2014, 10:21:19 PM
at the hawthorns ? not that I can hear
The Alan 'F***ing' Irvine chant is sung regular, whether it is in support of him is for you to decide.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 24, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
Currently got less points than at this point last season.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on November 24, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
With us now going on to play Arsenal, West Ham Villa and Man city in the coming weeks before the end of the year can many of you see him being got rid of before the year is out?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2014, 02:54:55 AM
The Alan 'F***ing' Irvine chant is sung regular, whether it is in support of him is for you to decide.

Cringe worthy and embarrassing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on November 25, 2014, 07:30:52 AM
there was nothing in his record for supporters for fans to grab hold of and respect. Respect has to be earned and at this level he has literally done nothing as the man in charge to be respected for. Not totally his fault it was imo a non sensical appointment from the powers that be that has never been satisfactorily explained!!! >:( >:(

Respect has got to be earned, but someone also has to be given the chance to earn that respect. So many big managers of today struggled in their first, second and even third appointments before getting things right and being successful. I have this feeling that some people will not be happy until Irvine is gone, whatever the reasons are for that.

It's a shame, as a fan base, regardless of personal opinions, I always thought we were quite 'supportive', however we're just like everyone else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2014, 08:51:28 AM
Respect has got to be earned, but someone also has to be given the chance to earn that respect. So many big managers of today struggled in their first, second and even third appointments before getting things right and being successful. I have this feeling that some people will not be happy until Irvine is gone, whatever the reasons are for that.

It's a shame, as a fan base, regardless of personal opinions, I always thought we were quite 'supportive', however we're just like everyone else.
We are supportive in that we spend thousands to watch them. If he served up some decent football, I'm pretty sure his name would be shouted from the rooftops, unfortunately what we are seeing at the moment makes it a struggle to stay awake, let alone chant his name.
I think it grossly unfair to lambast our fanbase in this way and label us as unsupportive. I agree that some may be over zealous and the disrespectful singing on matchday is disgraceful, but that is from a tiny minority.
He is paid to entertain, we pay to be entertained, his obligation is to us not the other way around.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 09:26:47 AM
Respect has got to be earned, but someone also has to be given the chance to earn that respect. So many big managers of today struggled in their first, second and even third appointments before getting things right and being successful. I have this feeling that some people will not be happy until Irvine is gone, whatever the reasons are for that.

It's a shame, as a fan base, regardless of personal opinions, I always thought we were quite 'supportive', however we're just like everyone else.

I dont agree with this.

If you look back to when he was appointed alot of people said they were underwhelmed but would support him as hes the man in charge and judge him after 10-15 games.

We are now around the 10-15 game mark and majority of the fans have made up their mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
I may be totally wrong but when reading through Steve Madleys twitter profile last night i got a vibe from his tweets talking about Irvine that if we lose by considerable margin without any fight in us this weekend he could be gone. Like i say i may be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
Part of Irvine's job is to integrate new players into the squad, that has been an abject failure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:38:53 PM
In all fairness i know i have defended him and i continued to do so after the Chelsea game but i don't see why we signed the likes of Blanco, Ideye and Gamboa if we arent going to play them or give them a fair crack of the whip. We would be much more entertaining to watch with those three in the side id bet my house on that for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2014, 06:25:53 PM
we the fans have never sang Alan Irvine,s name and seeing as still singing the pepe mel song shows there is no respect for him or peace inside the ground .

I've been to every game but two this year.

I've heard Alan Irvine's name sang on plenty of occasions - I haven't heard any chanting for Pepe Mel either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on November 25, 2014, 06:48:38 PM
All I've heard is the 'Alan f***ing Irvine' song which is embarrassing. Not heard one Pepe Mel song.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on November 25, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
We are supportive in that we spend thousands to watch them. If he served up some decent football, I'm pretty sure his name would be shouted from the rooftops, unfortunately what we are seeing at the moment makes it a struggle to stay awake, let alone chant his name.
I think it grossly unfair to lambast our fanbase in this way and label us as unsupportive. I agree that some may be over zealous and the disrespectful singing on matchday is disgraceful, but that is from a tiny minority.
He is paid to entertain, we pay to be entertained, his obligation is to us not the other way around.

Grossly unfair? Do you not feel you're overreacting slightly? Even then I don't think what I am saying is lambasting our fans at all. What I am saying is that our fans like every other club in the land at this moment in time, are starting to look at football very differently. No manager is given time, every team wants wins and success or you're kicked out the door. This isn't possible.

There has to be more understanding that exciting football and wins are all well and good but in this ever increasingly competitive league it is tough to serve that up every week.

Before I get accused of being an Irvine apologist, I'm not. I'm yet to make my mind up, but on match days the club I've supported all my life and their Head Coach will get 100% support from me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 25, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
I may be totally wrong but when reading through Steve Madleys twitter profile last night i got a vibe from his tweets talking about Irvine that if we lose by considerable margin without any fight in us this weekend he could be gone. Like i say i may be completely wrong.
Any chance of posting those....i can't see them mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 25, 2014, 07:00:55 PM
In all fairness i know i have defended him and i continued to do so after the Chelsea game but i don't see why we signed the likes of Blanco, Ideye and Gamboa if we arent going to play them or give them a fair crack of the whip. We would be much more entertaining to watch with those three in the side id bet my house on that for sure.
The simple fact is he doesn't fancy Ideye at, all he came out in the press stating he had never seen him play when we first got him and he has always distanced himself from the signing.
Saturday all was lost after 11 minutes yet we get the usual suspects coming off the bench it wouldn't have hurt to give Ideye half an hour on Saturday he might have done something.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on November 25, 2014, 07:10:17 PM
Frustrating and frustrated. Has for brown give him some game time ffs.irvine your as bad as Clarke with your brand and favouritism . Just  go back to where you belong coaching kids at Everton
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
If we lose to both arsenal and west ham (which is unfortunately what I'm expecting to happen) then do we expect him to still be our head coach?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 25, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
I think if we lose and put in a performance like the last few games he is going to be in the firing line, since the Burnley game we have been poor at Liverpool, fair against Man Utd terrible for most of the Palace game, terrible at Bournemouth although that was a different team, Leicester was painful viewing but we won, Newcastle was the first time I have actually been bored during a game and Chelsea was embarrassing how terrified Irvine was with his 'anti football' tactics....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 25, 2014, 08:02:48 PM
If we lose to both arsenal and west ham (which is unfortunately what I'm expecting to happen) then do we expect him to still be our head coach?

I was hoping he would be gone before Arsenal!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 25, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
If we lose to both arsenal and west ham (which is unfortunately what I'm expecting to happen) then do we expect him to still be our head coach?

No and I think that any results may have been made all the more difficult by the Saido ongoings. The latter may explain AIs little outburst after the Newcastle match though  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 25, 2014, 08:07:36 PM
JP must be sharpening the axe. The sooner the better and get this very negative coach out of our club along with the two coaches who have failed in the past. His football is not the Albion way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 25, 2014, 08:52:35 PM
you mean the 4 of them ? I agree we need shaking up with new ideas sorry but someone like pulis who will make them work and run all day long .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 25, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
you mean the 4 of them ? I agree we need shaking up with new ideas sorry but someone like pulis who will make them work and run all day long .

And get results, and not turn up at a top or even mid table premier league club at home and not bother to give them a game. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
If we lose to both arsenal and west ham (which is unfortunately what I'm expecting to happen) then do we expect him to still be our head coach?

There is not a chance he's going anytime soon. He'll probably get the season regardless but we're not going to be that impatient, and nor should we. You'd never get anyone decent work in conditions were a couple of losses leads to you possibly getting the sack.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 25, 2014, 10:33:25 PM
Will the saido incident have any bearing ?,would JP do it if we get toned by the vile?
And.......who could come in?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 25, 2014, 11:41:06 PM
It's no good replacing AI if we're going to just get another "head" coach with the same coaching team behind him. It's time for some fresh coaching ideas, particularly in the attacking department. We seem to have lost the ability to counter-attack (although no surprise with the lack of pace in our midfield) and when you're set up defensively it's pretty depressing to watch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2014, 08:18:20 AM
JP must be sharpening the axe. The sooner the better and get this very negative coach out of our club along with the two coaches who have failed in the past. His football is not the Albion way.
Peace would have known full well what brand of football Irvine was likely to serve up before he appointed him. Unfortunately, I don't foresee any axe sharpening taking place until we fall into the bottom 3 and are showing few signs of getting out of it.

However, Peace has a big decision to make though as, if he doesn't get rid of Irvine soon, the opportunity won't be there for his replacement to have input into whatever changes we decide to make to the playing staff in January.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 26, 2014, 10:20:25 AM
Why can't he just wake up!!
This is his last chance of making it as a manager, lets face it if we sack him no-one else is going to take him.
If I were in that position I would be going all out to either succeed or go down in a blaze of glory, not conceding without a fight trying to stick to conservative, outdated beliefs.
Come on Alan it's Sh!t or Bust time, get some new faces in and give it a real go. Forget about red zones and optimum levels and all that tut and go with your gut instinct!
We have the players to more than survive in this division, even if they don't tick all his boxes or finish on top of the spreadsheet, just take a chance!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on November 26, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
Why can't he just wake up!!
This is his last chance of making it as a manager, lets face it if we sack him no-one else is going to take him.
If I were in that position I would be going all out to either succeed or go down in a blaze of glory, not conceding without a fight trying to stick to conservative, outdated beliefs.
Come on Alan it's Sh!t or Bust time, get some new faces in and give it a real go. Forget about red zones and optimum levels and all that tut and go with your gut instinct!
We have the players to more than survive in this division, even if they don't tick all his boxes or finish on top of the spreadsheet, just take a chance!

The problem is I think he already is going with instinct
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on November 26, 2014, 10:30:05 AM
There is not a chance he's going anytime soon. He'll probably get the season regardless but we're not going to be that impatient, and nor should we. You'd never get anyone decent work in conditions were a couple of losses leads to you possibly getting the sack.

your so wrong about him getting the season if it don't improve mate
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 26, 2014, 10:36:23 AM
your so wrong about him getting the season if it don't improve mate

What you honestly think JP will sack him if we stay in and around 13th place?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on November 26, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
What you honestly think JP will sack him if we stay in and around 13th place?
And is not 13th place an improvement on last year under Clarke and then Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on November 26, 2014, 10:58:02 AM
AI is probably thinking that his brief was simply to keep us up.  So unless we drop into the bottom three before Xmas he will probably be there for the season.  That probably means 2 wins or 1 win and a lot of draws. I'm afraid he's frit, and he'll keep playing for those draws, and hope we fluke a few 1-0s along the way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 26, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
well we know that the CL will be monitoring this site and reporting back to JP, it will be in his job description.

as long as AI is head coach the club will be in limbo. we are all waiting for the envitable bad run of results and for AI to get the sack.

ps.

waiting does not equal wanting
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 26, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
He wont be sacked until we are in the bottom 3 and on a run of losing games that we don't look like breaking.

I didn't want him in the first place but with us in 13th now isn't the time.  We have only had 2 defeats since our last (albeit flukey) win against Leicester.

We witnessed the decline of Di Matteo and Clarke and we could all tell that they weren't going to turn things around.  I do get that same feeling with Irvine but its too soon at this moment.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 26, 2014, 11:15:25 AM
And is not 13th place an improvement on last year under Clarke and then Mel.

Exactly.  If someone could have guaranteed us a 13th or place at the start of the season most us would have been  pretty happy.  If he keeps us in and around this position there is no chance whatsoever he will be sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on November 26, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
Exactly.  If someone could have guaranteed us a 13th or place at the start of the season most us would have been  pretty happy.  If he keeps us in and around this position there is no chance whatsoever he will be sacked.

There are a number of teams below us who could join us on the same number of points by winning just one game if we lose against Arsenal
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on November 26, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
Exactly.  If someone could have guaranteed us a 13th or place at the start of the season most us would have been  pretty happy.  If he keeps us in and around this position there is no chance whatsoever he will be sacked.
This 13th argument really is a temporary smokescreen though. Most of us can see that we are playing awful, unimaginative, defensive, boring, tight, narrow "football", which is easy to play against. It's not even as if we are doing it well either. We have been lucky a couple of times, which has put us put us in a false position, but it's only a matter of time before we drop into the bottom three if we carry on with these tactics, certainly before the end of the year. It seems clear to me, he is hopelessly out of his depth, we shouldn't have appointed him in the first place, all the negativity is completely justified, and we should get rid asap. End of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 26, 2014, 12:42:59 PM
All I want to see is us set up the side with the intention of trying to cause the opposition some problems and I just don't think Irvine does that. He is far too focused on trying to stop the opposition playing, shows them far too much respect regardless of who it is.

I haven't given up all hope on Irvine just yet but my patience is starting to wear very thin.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on November 26, 2014, 01:12:05 PM
What you honestly think JP will sack him if we stay in and around 13th place?
where did i say he would sack him if we were 13th, i said he wouldn't let it go all season if things don't improve
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 26, 2014, 01:31:31 PM
where did i say he would sack him if we were 13th, i said he wouldn't let it go all season if things don't improve

If things don't improve upon what? Our league place (currently 13th), style of play, blooding in new players?  If we are plodding along in midtable like we currently are and in the fashion we are, then I don't believe he will be sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on November 26, 2014, 01:34:32 PM
I'm dreading the next three games, were as likely to get 2 wins and a draw as we are to lose all three.
The pressure will really be on AI then.
Que the doom mongers!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 26, 2014, 02:02:34 PM
Even though football is all about results what most people including me can't stomach is the style, try and win a game but lose and people will support the team/manager/coach... Lose a game without making any obvious effort to win and the trouble starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on November 26, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
Stop talking up the opposition, stop planning not to lose and start planning to win. I wouldnt care if we went down fighting and played and lost with passion.

This dross recently is a straight repeat of last year...and now we have our Anelka moment, albeit a few days earlier than last year and sit in almost an identical position...a nosedive of epic proportions would seem almost inevitable.

Results wise we need at least 4 points from the next three, if we played our butts off and got none id take that. as long as we pick a team that wants to have a go.

Burnley now have self -belief, as it stands our weekly team selection is most likely no better then two other clubs. If we dont change our tactics and start to play to win and grow a pair i fear this season there may not be a fairy godmother from Carrow Road to save us from oblivion.

Cant we get a blooming thrush and have it fly the length of the pitch like Colins Eagle last week....might raise a smile at least



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 26, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
I've been to every game but two this year.

I've heard Alan Irvine's name sang on plenty of occasions - I haven't heard any chanting for Pepe Mel either.
well I sit in the brummie road  and not once has alan irvines name been sang either good or bad , so whats the ali alioooo west brom fc from the blackcountry song then ? with Spanish lingo ? sang everygame
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 26, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
Allez Allez oohhhhh is a rip off of Evertons song... And Allez is French.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 26, 2014, 05:28:47 PM
Do agree the Alan Irvine song hasn't been heard in the BRE mostly at aways and the smethwick have sang it a couple of times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 26, 2014, 05:33:39 PM
Allez Allez oohhhhh is a rip off of Evertons song... And Allez is French.
sounds spainsh to me and only started singing it when pepe mel become head coach . if its French I didn't no that .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 26, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Stop talking up the opposition, stop planning not to lose and start planning to win. I wouldnt care if we went down fighting and played and lost with passion.

This dross recently is a straight repeat of last year...and now we have our Anelka moment, albeit a few days earlier than last year and sit in almost an identical position...a nosedive of epic proportions would seem almost inevitable.

Results wise we need at least 4 points from the next three, if we played our butts off and got none id take that. as long as we pick a team that wants to have a go.

Burnley now have self -belief, as it stands our weekly team selection is most likely no better then two other clubs. If we dont change our tactics and start to play to win and grow a pair i fear this season there may not be a fairy godmother from Carrow Road to save us from oblivion.

Cant we get a blooming thrush and have it fly the length of the pitch like Colins Eagle last week....might raise a smile at least





Palace have something we lack...pace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2014, 06:35:40 PM
well I sit in the brummie road  and not once has alan irvines name been sang either good or bad , so whats the ali alioooo west brom fc from the blackcountry song then ? with Spanish lingo ? sang everygame

As said above - Allez is French and has nothing to do with Spain or Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 26, 2014, 07:38:37 PM
I'm dreading the next three games, were as likely to get 2 wins and a draw as we are to lose all three.
The pressure will really be on AI then.
Que the doom mongers!

If we lose the next three games would you be worried?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 26, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Could one of the mods add some points on to the poll please or start a new one.
Should AI be released
1-Straight away
2- give him to xmas
3- give him the whole season.
I dont see any point in looking for a replacement if ones not in place before the January window but feel free to amend as you see fit.
Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 26, 2014, 10:41:12 PM
Palace have something we lack...pace.

we've got pace, just that they are all sat on the bench or in the stand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on November 26, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
Could one of the mods add some points on to the poll please or start a new one.
Should AI be released
1-Straight away
2- give him to xmas
3- give him the whole season.
I dont see any point in looking for a replacement if ones not in place before the January window but feel free to amend as you see fit.
Thanks ;)

There's far too many things that can change for those things to go in the poll. For example; yes, I'd like him to be given time to get things right but there are 3 games in 8 days coming up and they could change everything. Pick up 0-1 points and perform like the last few games and I'd want him gone. Having said that if he gets just 1 win but makes some brave changes and the team plays attractively and I'd be happy for him to get more time.

My point - he has a big, BIG week coming up and it could shape our whole season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 26, 2014, 11:14:37 PM
There's far too many things that can change for those things to go in the poll. For example; yes, I'd like him to be given time to get things right but there are 3 games in 8 days coming up and they could change everything. Pick up 0-1 points and perform like the last few games and I'd want him gone. Having said that if he gets just 1 win but makes some brave changes and the team plays attractively and I'd be happy for him to get more time.

My point - he has a big, BIG week coming up and it could shape our whole season.


Fair point,
So you're not against the add on's just that its 3 games to soon.
Me iv'e seen enough & any point's over the next however long would be just papering over the cracks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on November 27, 2014, 09:02:34 AM


Fair point,
So you're not against the add on's just that its 3 games to soon.
Me iv'e seen enough & any point's over the next however long would be just papering over the cracks.

You could very well be right. Like i say, if we accumulate at least 3 points over the next 3 games and he makes the changes we want to see (including performances), i'm happy to see him stay. I also think the chances of that happening are slim.

The football we play is becoming more and more withdrawn and it looks like we're playing with so much fear which makes no sense because there has been flashes of brilliance at times, rare i know but the one touch passing and non-willingness to hoof in some periods in some games has been great but then it just disappears. V Man U we always built from the back and Dawson, Lescott and Foster never went Long and it was a joy to watch, and then you get performances like the Newcastle game....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 27, 2014, 09:16:45 AM
I agree with iot being a huge week in AI's future (and ours as a consequence).
My fear is that, as per most people, when under pressure we revert to what we know, trust and instinctively feel comfortable doing.
Sadly if AI follows his instincts he is toast IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 27, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
You could very well be right. Like i say, if we accumulate at least 3 points over the next 3 games and he makes the changes we want to see (including performances), i'm happy to see him stay. I also think the chances of that happening are slim.

The football we play is becoming more and more withdrawn and it looks like we're playing with so much fear which makes no sense because there has been flashes of brilliance at times, rare i know but the one touch passing and non-willingness to hoof in some periods in some games has been great but then it just disappears. V Man U we always built from the back and Dawson, Lescott and Foster never went Long and it was a joy to watch, and then you get performances like the Newcastle game....
He reminds me of a tortoise. Started off with his head tucked in as he was a bit scared, then we got a couple of results and he got brave and popped back out, then back in again as the performances dropped. Lose the next two and his head will be so far back it will be up his ar@e. ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on November 27, 2014, 01:15:25 PM
Having 3 games in a week may well do him a favour. He'll most likely be forced to utilise the whole squad to freshen things up I reckon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2014, 01:39:27 PM
Having 3 games in a week may well do him a favour. He'll most likely be forced to utilise the whole squad to freshen things up I reckon.

Or he can use it as his excuse for his first team 11 not being able to prepare mentally and physcially due to short resting periods, and some of the new signings not being match ready to participate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 27, 2014, 01:51:23 PM
Or he can use it as his excuse for his first team 11 not being able to prepare mentally and physcially due to short resting periods, and some of the new signings not being match ready to participate.
Good point.
Might take my boots to Hull just in case, better do some work though so I'm in the Red zone (or not, not sure if red is good or bad)!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Good point.
Might take my boots to Hull just in case, better do some work though so I'm in the Red zone (or not, not sure if red is good or bad)!

If you come a few hours early with your boots, we can top up your fitness levels.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 27, 2014, 04:14:56 PM
I have to say that the match fitness thing is over played
Ledley king, Paul McGrath, Knobhead Merson, could all put in a solid performance on dodgy legs.
If AI requires 100% fitness before he will consider a player then he is managing weith one arm tied behind his back IMO
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
It is a different game now to when the likes of McGrath were playing - plus centre back isn't a position where you have to get up and down the pitch too often.
But if Varela is 90%  or 95% ready surely a 20 minute burst at the end of a match can help sharpen him up - he is an option we've been short of for too long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 27, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
It is a different game now to when the likes of McGrath were playing - plus centre back isn't a position where you have to get up and down the pitch too often.
But if Varela is 90%  or 95% ready surely a 20 minute burst at the end of a match can help sharpen him up - he is an option we've been short of for too long.

Exactly. You are never going to get to 100% match fit without being given substitute appearances or not even making the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 28, 2014, 08:41:02 AM
Exactly. You are never going to get to 100% match fit without being given substitute appearances or not even making the bench.

Its obvious to see the new lads not getting game time, and not making the bench, if its fitness top up then surely Varela would benefit from 20 off the bench like some have said. Last week is a prime example, the game was dead after Yacobs red, would have been nothing stopping AI using Blanco/Ideye/Varela off the bench to get a 30-40 minute run out in the 2nd half.

The biggest thing I cant get my head around is why arent any of the local media/journalists not asking these questions in press conferences?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 28, 2014, 08:42:10 AM
It is a different game now to when the likes of McGrath were playing - plus centre back isn't a position where you have to get up and down the pitch too often.
But if Varela is 90%  or 95% ready surely a 20 minute burst at the end of a match can help sharpen him up - he is an option we've been short of for too long.
hard to see how he can get match fit without playing any matches. The friendly during the international break was supposed to put him right i though yet once again not even in the squad at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2014, 09:26:20 AM
hard to see how he can get match fit without playing any matches. The friendly during the international break was supposed to put him right i though yet once again not even in the squad at Chelsea.
Irvine admitted he was fit and available he just selected the 'right squad' and neither he or Blanco were in it. It was a tactical decision nothing to do with fitness, which suggests yet again that he is watching different games to us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 28, 2014, 09:04:21 PM
Until the Bournemouth game traveling to the Albion from Devon was always the highlight of my week but the boring football I am witnessing its a chore to even get on the bus now. If it don't improve starting from tomorrow and I expect at least 4 points from the next 2 homes games then the villa will be my last game until this Heath coach is ousted.sorry but that's the way I feel. Improve the football at home Irvine even if it means playing footballers you don't fancy, they could be your saving grace. I am sorry but you all get paid  handsomely well enough to give some entertainment   For your home supporters.i can take us getting beat but only has long as we have given it a go from the kick off. I never welcomed your appointment and I still don't. Big mistake Jeremy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on November 28, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
Until the Bournemouth game traveling to the Albion from Devon was always the highlight of my week but the boring football I am witnessing its a chore to even get on the bus now. If it don't improve starting from tomorrow and I expect at least 4 points from the next 2 homes games then the villa will be my last game until this Heath coach is ousted.sorry but that's the way I feel. Improve the football at home Irvine even if it means playing footballers you don't fancy, they could be your saving grace. I am sorry but you all get paid  handsomely well enough to give some entertainment   For your home supporters.i can take us getting beat but only has long as we have given it a go from the kick off. I never welcomed your appointment and I still don't. Big mistake Jeremy

glad to see your back  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 12:03:29 AM
Until the Bournemouth game traveling to the Albion from Devon was always the highlight of my week but the boring football I am witnessing its a chore to even get on the bus now. If it don't improve starting from tomorrow and I expect at least 4 points from the next 2 homes games then the villa will be my last game until this Heath coach is ousted.sorry but that's the way I feel. Improve the football at home Irvine even if it means playing footballers you don't fancy, they could be your saving grace. I am sorry but you all get paid  handsomely well enough to give some entertainment   For your home supporters.i can take us getting beat but only has long as we have given it a go from the kick off. I never welcomed your appointment and I still don't. Big mistake Jeremy

Me and my dad have a ritual, whoever is driving rings the other on Friday night to decide what time to leave. For the first time ever tonight I was hoping the phone wouldn't ring... Alas he's just rang me and we're leaving at 10, so I'll suffer with the rest of you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 29, 2014, 11:32:36 AM
I expect the same team as last week minus yacob.

The guy has no clue.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
I expect the same team as last week minus yacob.

The guy has no clue.
Agreed although Sess could be taken out too or put out wide where it doesn't suit him.
Big day for Irvine , a performance is needed at the very least. I get the feeling another dull performance from the usual side then the "give him a chance" group like myself will start to get very restless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 29, 2014, 12:00:31 PM
I expect the same team as last week minus yacob.

The guy has no clue.
right on both counts!!!! >:( :( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
Clearly keeping on Downing and Kiely and appointing Irvine has led to a continuation of the "jobs for the boys" attitude, as we can see with the persistent picking of mediocre, domestic players over our exciting new signings. I've watched most of these players (Blanco, Ideye, Varela and Gamboa) on a number of occasions and they're very good. Indisputably better than the likes of Baird, Wisdom, Samaras and Anichebe in fact.

The sooner Irvine, Downing and Kiely go the better, as they're suffocating the talent in our squad and depriving us of our opportunity to watch some very exciting flair players. Such a waste.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 29, 2014, 12:24:26 PM
He's so predictable.

That's my main worry.

At this stage id take steve Clarke back. That's how bad it is at the minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 12:33:01 PM
I do have sympathies with him that the new signings probably aren't very good - see everyone moaning about not playing Sinclair last season till it became apparent he was just useless.

But he really doesn't help his case by having Baird consistently in the squad who's one of the worst players we've ever had at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 29, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
I don't post much on here but let me tell you if i did i would be accused of being a happy clapper. I am massively positive about Albion and very rarely do i want to see a manager sacked. I liked Mowbray, RDM, Hodgson, SC and Mel. Only SC's sacking did i see as a necessity, although i was sad about it.

But this Irvine bloke is a disaster. The happy clapper in me thought JP had seen something no one else had seen and he would surprise us, with good football or good selections and good results. Make everyone have egg on their face.

He has done none of that. Boring football, boring selections, terrible results, an absolute load of tripe and i've not felt like this is years and years.

I'm done with Albion until we have a style/manager/system that excites me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 29, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
I don't post much on here but let me tell you if i did i would be accused of being a happy clapper. I am massively positive about Albion and very rarely do i want to see a manager sacked. I liked Mowbray, RDM, Hodgson, SC and Mel. Only SC's sacking did i see as a necessity, although i was sad about it.

But this Irvine bloke is a disaster. The happy clapper in me thought JP had seen something no one else had seen and he would surprise us, with good football or good selections and good results. Make everyone have egg on their face.

He has done none of that. Boring football, boring selections, terrible results, an absolute load of tripe and i've not felt like this is years and years.

I'm done with Albion until we have a style/manager/system that excites me.

Welcome to the negative club. I admire your brave decision to 'come out'.

 ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 29, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
I've only been excited by the football Albion play in the 3/4 matches Mel had to express it before the old boys took over.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
I would take mel and his attacking flare over this negative rubbish anyday. All mel needed was a bit of support, maybe a decent defensive coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 29, 2014, 01:46:48 PM
Mel was the right type of appointment but the wrong man, you gotta be able to speak english especially at that time in the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
I've only been excited by the football Albion play in the 3/4 matches Mel had to express it before the old boys took over.

Yeah conceding 7 goals to Palace and Villa sides that had scored less goals than games was a real high point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 29, 2014, 02:10:07 PM
I cant watch this negative rubbish any longer. All we do is try to stop the opposition from playing. Act now JP before its too late 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 29, 2014, 02:15:09 PM
Its getting to the stage, where its getting beyond a joke, no Brown, no Blanco, no Valera. We brought them in why dont we play them for goodness sake, we have some good player but they aren't been used. The next four games I think is make or break for Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 02:39:24 PM
Absolutely clueless . We need to get rid now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 29, 2014, 02:40:09 PM
Time to go Mr Irvine.

Nice chap, boring football, poor results.

You've got a ten million pound striker on the bench and bring on Samaras

Completely clueless!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on November 29, 2014, 02:42:08 PM
how  is gamboa still not playing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on November 29, 2014, 02:45:41 PM
Terrible, negative, lackluster and soulless football - please no more! Do the right thing Jeremy, he's slowly sucking the life from the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on November 29, 2014, 02:47:36 PM
how  is gamboa still not playing
In Alan's mind,Wisdom is the best right back in the world.
Wisdom will play again next match,he won't be dropped.

Alan,once you leave this club,can you leave along with Wisdom?
In fact,I hope both of you can out now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2014, 02:49:15 PM
This bloke has made me bored of supporting West Bromwich Albion.

The decision by the board to appoint this manager WILL backfire.  It wont happen tonight or in the next few weeks IMO.

It is delaying the inevitable though.  Its not going to get any better Jeremy Peace.   Most fans said this when he was appointed and you need to admit that you have royally c****d this up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
This bloke has made me bored of supporting West Bromwich Albion.

The decision by the board to appoint this manager WILL backfire.  It wont happen tonight or in the next few weeks IMO.

It is delaying the inevitable though.  Its not going to get any better Jeremy Peace.   Most fans said this when he was appointed and you need to admit that you have royally c****d this up.
Burton needs to go with him for recommending the appointment, along with Downing and Kiely who should have been let go of a long time ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on November 29, 2014, 02:54:38 PM
Over 5 hours since Albion's last league goal. That was an OG. Exactly 6 hours since the last from a Baggies player.

Alan Irvine OUT.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
The villa will be my last home game until he's gone. I will still go away because the atmosphere amongst supporters is better, more enjoyable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 29, 2014, 03:00:01 PM
We have got to start showing intent to try and win our home games. At least give it a go.

Am not and never will be a Neil Warnock fan, but we need the "have a go" attitude of whatever sides he puts out.  Passion is needed.

No width.  No pace.  Where are our new summer signings?

If Irvine is happy setting us up to play like this in the first half, then we will be in the Championship next season I'm afraid. 

And if we somehow stay up then we won't be getting gates of 25k to watch dross like this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronny boy on November 29, 2014, 03:03:58 PM
How on earth is this man still in a job at West Bromwich Albion?

1. He has absolutely no intent on winning games with his selections.
2. His ability to affect a game is zero, just look at his substitutions.
3. We have not scored in 7 of our 16 games this season... (9 out of 16 if you include OGs)
4. Currently on a run in which we have not scored in 270 mins of football.... (450 mins if you include OGs)
5. No tactical awareness.
6. His brand of football is Dull,dull,dull. Bearable if your doing well, but we're not.

Apparently, though, he's a good bloke & coach  :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Burton needs to go with him for recommending the appointment, along with Downing and Kiely who should have been let go of a long time ago.

Sacking Alan Irvine will  not solve the problem.  Who ever comes in will have a hard time if his philosophy conflicts with those who have the established power base at the club. Peace is a business man, who does he listen to?  What kind of risk is acceptable? Perhaps if Irvine replaced Downing?  I certainly can't see a quick fix to this situation and trying to bring in another head coach/patsy will prove difficult with the current set up only someone desperate would risk his reputation on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
Sacking Alan Irvine will  not solve the problem.  Who ever comes in will have a hard time if his philosophy conflicts with those who have the established power base at the club. Peace is a business man, who does he listen to?  What kind of risk is acceptable? Perhaps if Irvine replaced Downing?  I certainly can't see a quick fix to this situation and trying to bring in another head coach/patsy will prove difficult with the current set up only someone desperate would risk his reputation on a hiding to nothing.
We might get someone who has a go at teams , uses a squad and isn't fully out of his depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 29, 2014, 03:19:47 PM
The villa will be my last home game until he's gone. I will still go away because the atmosphere amongst supporters is better, more enjoyable
did notice devon more and more empty seats appearing at the home games, two of them were mine ,made the choice after the Newcastle game to stay away till theres something worth spending £100 on. pisses me of to do it but travelling from north wales and watching your team have no attacking intent is just a waste of time and money, fair play to those that go but can see gates falling if he stays and keeps playing this rubbish football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 29, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
Its not just Irvine who needs to go. The other failed coaches should go with him, in fact two of them they should have gone a long time a go. A clean sweep was needed when Clarke went
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 29, 2014, 03:25:40 PM
I never like losing, but I would rather lose 2-0 by having a go showing attacking intent and causing teams problems rather than sitting back and hoping something will happen and we'll find a goal from somewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 03:27:30 PM
We might get someone who has a go at teams , uses a squad and isn't fully out of his depth.

Like Mel? I would like to believe it is as simple as you say but I do not think it is humanly possible for one personality to do the job. The Chelski manager is not going to leave for us and I do not believe under the current system he would even get the job...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on November 29, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
It's hoped that next game(vs West Ham) will be Alan's last chance,if we lose again,sack him please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DevonBaggie on November 29, 2014, 03:33:15 PM
The result for me today has made me officially turn on him now.

Newcastle game was the same. Just waiting for the opposition to score and then do something about it.
Crystal Palace game, Was the same again just waiting for the opposition to score.

More importantly, when is he going to change the side. Every premier league game he has tried to put the same 11 players on the pitch when more than likely, Teams have sussed us out, Theres no expansion or trickery in our play its just so one dimensional and boring to watch. What has Ideye, Blanco and most importantly Varela got to do to get a game, Varelas been fit for 2 weeks apparently. Hes created one goal even when he was carrying an injury. So why not put him on?!

I honestly thought Irvine would do okay and maybe change the way he normally plays just a little bit. But no hes just another stubborn dinosaur who thinks his way is the right way and if he carries on with the way he is going then he isn't going to be here long and god help us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 29, 2014, 03:33:25 PM
He's so predictable.

That's my main worry.

At this stage id take steve Clarke back. That's how bad it is at the minute.

Mr Clark thought Mr Irvin got it about right in everything today Well mr Clark Mr Irvin will go the same way has you went & for playing the same way you did rubbish BORING FOOTBALL
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Like Mel? I would like to believe it is as simple as you say but I do not think it is humanly possible for one personality to do the job. The Chelski manager is not going to leave for us and I do not believe under the current system he would even get the job...
It is simple , you turn up and have a damn good go against whoever you play, the least i expect . I could just about accept Irvine's style if we had some spells of exciting play each game and genuine goal threat or picking points up at a decent rate.Seems a nice bloke but clearly out of his depth with his dinosaur , narrow , boring football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 29, 2014, 03:37:33 PM
It's hoped that next game(vs West Ham) will be Alan's last chance,if we lose again,sack him please.

I disagree.

Please sack him now and put us out of this misery!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on November 29, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
Lets face it he isnt going to get sacked anytime soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
Lets face it he isnt going to get sacked anytime soon.
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Wanna a bet loose the next 2 and he's gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2014, 03:42:35 PM
Terrible, negative, lackluster and soulless football - please no more! Do the right thing Jeremy, he's slowly sucking the life from the club.

I sadly agree.

He works hard, he's apparently a good coach and yet still he has no clue how to attack. It's a real puzzle. I can't for the life of me understand how he doesn't see the problem.

We need to lose him soon.

Only 5 points minimum in the next 3 matches saves his bacon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Floydy on November 29, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
He's had his chance. He plays dreadful, unimaginative and naive football. I have supported him to date but today is the day i say IRVINE OUT.  The other constant with each of our underperforming managers is the coaches. They need moving on too.

We need to appoint a proper proven manager and let him bring his own coaching team in too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 03:46:07 PM
It is simple , you turn up and have a damn good go against whoever you play, the least i expect . I could just about accept Irvine's style if we had some spells of exciting play each game and genuine goal threat or picking points up at a decent rate.Seems a nice bloke but clearly out of his depth with his dinosaur , narrow , boring football.
In some jobs you have to toe the line if you want to survive.  Even if you do try to argue your case you might not be listened to. Or you might be listened to but ignored. Ever heard of a clique?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Perhaps you are used to having plenty to say and everyone agreeing with you at work? In some jobs you have to toe the line if you want to survive.  Even if you do try to argue your case you might not be listened to. Or you might be listened to but ignored. Ever heard of a clique?

You need a strong man. Pulis would dismantle any cliques.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 29, 2014, 03:50:43 PM
Ever heard of a clique?
Yes, it's what did for Pepe Mel, but let's not go over that yet again. However, what a shame that Pepe wasn't here for the pre-season and could hsape his squad with his choice of coaches, rather than the spineless and clueless bunch we've ended up with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 29, 2014, 03:51:31 PM
You need a strong man. Pulis would dismantle any cliques.

I dont want Pulis, however I would take him over Irvine any day of the week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2014, 03:51:55 PM
You need a strong man. Pulis would dismantle any cliques.

He's a self serving prick. Look how he left Palace in the mire after giving the board an ultimatum. I don't have a better name, but short of Sherwood I'd hate having him with us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
He's not going to be sacked for losing to Chelsea, Arsenal, and in form Newcastle. I get the feeling the club has had enough of sacking managers (unsurprisingly given it takes us ages to get one in) and Irvine is here till the bitter end. He'll get the season. If we stay up, he'll start next season too.

We didn't end up with Irvine in the first place because we had a tonne of decent options to choose from. The club has a very restrictive structure and no one will work under it seeing that every single manager we have keeps failing miserably at it. We loosened those restrictions for Hodgson, he signed players he wanted, not ones we thought he should have wanted, and unsurprisingly he was easily our best manager.

The club's problems go far deeper than Irvine, sacking him won't change the problems we'll just end up with another coach no one wants.

There's a reason the club keeps taking longer and longer to get a head coach each time we sack one. No one who's got any ounce of ability will work under these conditions. The only other club working to this style religiously is Spurs and they have the same problem of managers unable to fit in, and terrible signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 03:53:29 PM
Perhaps you are used to having plenty to say and everyone agreeing with you at work? In some jobs you have to toe the line if you want to survive.  Even if you do try to argue your case you might not be listened to. Or you might be listened to but ignored. Ever heard of a clique?
I'm well aware about toeing the line thanks , clique ? ....while last season was hard work the football wasn't this bad or negative , that's come from the arrival of one bloke ...the same bloke who doesn't attack or use wide players. As a team in its fourth year at this level we should be able to take teams on better than this , the football Irvine has us playing now is like when we first got up under Megson yet this is a far superior squad.
Nice bloke , good coach yet totally lost and it won't get any better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 03:54:56 PM
We cant risk him still being in charge.

He has no intention in trying to score its stiffle the opponent and hope for the best.

Tell me why Samaras is brought on and played wide yet Ideye is left on the bench.

Today his changes were inept at best.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
He's not going to be sacked for losing to Chelsea, Arsenal, and in form Newcastle. I get the feeling the club has had enough of sacking managers (unsurprisingly given it takes us ages to get one in) and Irvine is here till the bitter end. He'll get the season. If we stay up, he'll start next season too.

We didn't end up with Irvine in the first place because we had a tonne of decent options to choose from. The club has a very restrictive structure and no one will work under it seeing that every single manager we have keeps failing miserably at it. We loosened those restrictions for Hodgson, he signed players he wanted, not ones we thought he should have wanted, and unsurprisingly he was easily our best manager.

The club's problems go far deeper than Irvine, sacking him won't change the problems we'll just end up with another coach no one wants.

There's a reason the club keeps taking longer and longer to get a head coach each time we sack one. No one who's got any ounce of ability will work under these conditions. The only other club working to this style religiously is Spurs and they have the same problem of managers unable to fit in, and terrible signings.
I disagree that having a director of football is part of the problem- that part of the structure is very sensible and useful. However, the refusal to move along back-room staff and bring in a new head coach's aids is what's costing us in terms of Head Coach options. If we can change that part of the philosophy by letting go of Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely and allowing the new man to bring in two of his own assistants I believe we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2014, 04:04:35 PM
One thing that has stuck with me since the Summer is the majority of the new signings were clearly not Irvine type players , personally I've always suspected they were brought in as a Plan B if Irvine didn't work out or use them himself . We all knew Irvine was a huge gamble so it's clear JP and co would have known this too , a back up plan makes sense.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 04:07:45 PM
I disagree that having a director of football is part of the problem- that part of the structure is very sensible and useful. However, the refusal to move along back-room staff and bring in a new head coach's aids is what's costing us in terms of Head Coach options. If we can change that part of the philosophy by letting go of Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely and allowing the new man to bring in two of his own assistants I believe we'll be fine.

You might well be right, this is exactly how I see it, however such a major overhaul would involve the kind of risk that doesn't sit well with Mr Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 29, 2014, 04:08:49 PM
Irvine thought we played well today. Ultimately that says it all.

The club is pushing the 'signings not good enough' line though local journalists. If that's the case then heads in the recruitment team need to roll.

Frankly, its papering over cracks caused by dour, negative football by AI.

We need a manager who is going to galvanise fans, unite us, excite us. The Irvine project has been an utter failure. Peace needs to hold his hands up now and move the process along swiftly.

I hated Pulis whilst he was at Stoke. But at Palace they played with more intent, and less hoofball. I'd welcome him personally, but he wouldn't work within our rigid set up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
You might well be right, this is exactly how I see it, however such a major overhaul would involve the kind of risk that doesn't sit well with Mr Peace.
I used to hold that view too, but after the summer of sacking Mel, appointing Irvine against everyone's wishes, signing eleven new players and openly taking the blame for last season, I think that Peace might just have it in him to make the right decision this time, albeit a massive one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 29, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
I dont want Irvine sacked because sacking a manager every few months achieves nothing, sometimes sticking with somebody can work out (West Ham and Newcastle spring to mind)

However i think he does need to have a look at things, he came with a reputation for his teams been quite conservative but until the Bournemouth game i felt we were going in the right direction, not every game but most we we had a go, played football, created chances and okay we wasnt some outstanding attacking team but we havent been for years and we wasnt going to change overnight especially with the personnel.

Unfortunately over the last few weeks we seem to have gone backwards, we are too cautious and negative in our approach and thats usually a managers way of acknowledging they are under pressure, ie - dont get beat (Clarke did the same in his later days)

 As somebody earlier was saying, whether we agree or not with the selections, Irvine works with them every day, he hands out who does what, etc and if he doesnt feel the players can do it, he wont pick them. I think Gamboa is a prime example of that, us as fans like him because he has pace and gets forward, its great for us to watch, but as a right back in a 4-4-2 your first job is surely to defend and he cannot defend, he is constantly out of position and will cost us goals, maybe in another formation we would see the best of him.

I think what could work in Irvines favour is that he can rightly drop a few of our players now and they cant really argue as we are playing poor and losing, its upto Irvine now, hopefully he can get back to been positive again.

That said his fate was sealed with some fans the day he was appointed and aside from us winning 5-0 every game which was never going to happen, he hasnt got a chance with some. If his name was Alain Irvinuez, he was foreign and he had had limited success at say Elche and Tenerife (clubs like Preston and Sheff Weds) then he would of got a lot better chance, we laughed at Villa for how they treated Mcleish yet we have done exactly the same with Irvine, we had been on a decent run of form until Newcastle and even before that game there was calls for him to go! When we have been rubbish its fair game to have a pop at him and the team, i will say it now, last 3 games i have been bored stupid.

However when we were doing okay it was deemed lucky, opposition were rubbish, played teams at the right time, etc even games when we have been entertaining (and there have been some) people wont acknowledge it and i think that negativity has been there from day one and sadly wont go til Irvine does, god help the next bloke who gets the job because judging by some fans, if we dont win the first few games under them easily with amazing football he will need to be sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 04:16:47 PM
I used to hold that view too, but after the summer of sacking Mel, appointing Irvine against everyone's wishes, signing eleven new players and openly taking the blame for last season, I think that Peace might just have it in him to make the right decision this time, albeit a massive one.

Ok then, you have given me reason to hope - cheers  ;D Perhaps Jeremy can see the real issue?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
I dont want Irvine sacked because sacking a manager every few months achieves nothing, sometimes sticking with somebody can work out (West Ham and Newcastle spring to mind)

However i think he does need to have a look at things, he came with a reputation for his teams been quite conservative but until the Bournemouth game i felt we were going in the right direction, not every game but most we we had a go, played football, created chances and okay we wasnt some outstanding attacking team but we havent been for years and we wasnt going to change overnight especially with the personnel.

Unfortunately over the last few weeks we seem to have gone backwards, we are too cautious and negative in our approach and thats usually a managers way of acknowledging they are under pressure, ie - dont get beat (Clarke did the same in his later days)

 As somebody earlier was saying, whether we agree or not with the selections, Irvine works with them every day, he hands out who does what, etc and if he doesnt feel the players can do it, he wont pick them. I think Gamboa is a prime example of that, us as fans like him because he has pace and gets forward, its great for us to watch, but as a right back in a 4-4-2 your first job is surely to defend and he cannot defend, he is constantly out of position and will cost us goals, maybe in another formation we would see the best of him.

I think what could work in Irvines favour is that he can rightly drop a few of our players now and they cant really argue as we are playing poor and losing, its upto Irvine now, hopefully he can get back to been positive again.

That said his fate was sealed with some fans the day he was appointed and aside from us winning 5-0 every game which was never going to happen, he hasnt got a chance with some. If his name was Alain Irvinuez, he was foreign and he had had limited success at say Elche and Tenerife (clubs like Preston and Sheff Weds) then he would of got a lot better chance, we laughed at Villa for how they treated Mcleish yet we have done exactly the same with Irvine, we had been on a decent run of form until Newcastle and even before that game there was calls for him to go! When we have been rubbish its fair game to have a pop at him and the team, i will say it now, last 3 games i have been bored stupid.

However when we were doing okay it was deemed lucky, opposition were rubbish, played teams at the right time, etc even games when we have been entertaining (and there have been some) people wont acknowledge it and i think that negativity has been there from day one and sadly wont go til Irvine does, god help the next bloke who gets the job because judging by some fans, if we dont win the first few games under them easily with amazing football he will need to be sacked.

McLeish was a previously successful manager. Irvine has never been a success. He's got to go and no amount of essay length posts will change that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
I dont want Irvine sacked because sacking a manager every few months achieves nothing, sometimes sticking with somebody can work out (West Ham and Newcastle spring to mind)

However i think he does need to have a look at things, he came with a reputation for his teams been quite conservative but until the Bournemouth game i felt we were going in the right direction, not every game but most we we had a go, played football, created chances and okay we wasnt some outstanding attacking team but we havent been for years and we wasnt going to change overnight especially with the personnel.

Unfortunately over the last few weeks we seem to have gone backwards, we are too cautious and negative in our approach and thats usually a managers way of acknowledging they are under pressure, ie - dont get beat (Clarke did the same in his later days)

 As somebody earlier was saying, whether we agree or not with the selections, Irvine works with them every day, he hands out who does what, etc and if he doesnt feel the players can do it, he wont pick them. I think Gamboa is a prime example of that, us as fans like him because he has pace and gets forward, its great for us to watch, but as a right back in a 4-4-2 your first job is surely to defend and he cannot defend, he is constantly out of position and will cost us goals, maybe in another formation we would see the best of him.

I think what could work in Irvines favour is that he can rightly drop a few of our players now and they cant really argue as we are playing poor and losing, its upto Irvine now, hopefully he can get back to been positive again.

That said his fate was sealed with some fans the day he was appointed and aside from us winning 5-0 every game which was never going to happen, he hasnt got a chance with some. If his name was Alain Irvinuez, he was foreign and he had had limited success at say Elche and Tenerife (clubs like Preston and Sheff Weds) then he would of got a lot better chance, we laughed at Villa for how they treated Mcleish yet we have done exactly the same with Irvine, we had been on a decent run of form until Newcastle and even before that game there was calls for him to go! When we have been rubbish its fair game to have a pop at him and the team, i will say it now, last 3 games i have been bored stupid.

However when we were doing okay it was deemed lucky, opposition were rubbish, played teams at the right time, etc even games when we have been entertaining (and there have been some) people wont acknowledge it and i think that negativity has been there from day one and sadly wont go til Irvine does, god help the next bloke who gets the job because judging by some fans, if we dont win the first few games under them easily with amazing football he will need to be sacked.
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Unfortunately, because of where we sit in the food chain we need to produce performances that impress. I can think of two offside decisions, one that went against us today and one that went in favour of Chelsea the other week.  These kinds of marginal decisions have a massive effect on our season.  Sure other teams have similar decisions going against them but they also create more chances. We do not. This is systemic. It is to do with how we are set up to play.  It is about the personnel who are chosen to play and who gets to do the choosing.  When there is a clique the majority decision wins the day. One bloke can't change that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on November 29, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
While I was in favour of giving AI a chance, I believe that chance has now been and gone.

We were dreadful today. Knocking the ball around in midfield in front of the opposition defence does not constitute playing well.

The team selection and set up were dreadful today, as was the performance.

Sorry Alan, your time is up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
Are they giving tickets away Tuesday. Be interesting to see the attendance. Like today I won't bother again and I suspect a few others won't either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 29, 2014, 04:38:17 PM
One thing that has stuck with me since the Summer is the majority of the new signings were clearly not Irvine type players , personally I've always suspected they were brought in as a Plan B if Irvine didn't work out or use them himself . We all knew Irvine was a huge gamble so it's clear JP and co would have known this too , a back up plan makes sense.

The players are much more 'Pepe' friendly and he is still available. Go get him JP.

Ole, Ole, Ole!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
The players are much more 'Pepe' friendly and he is still available. Go get him JP.

Ole, Ole, Ole!

If Mel was Scottish no one would ever remember his time here fondly. Absolutely dreadful all round. People moan about Irvine, Mel thought playing high lines with Lugano at centre back was perfectly good!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 04:44:36 PM
If Mel was Scottish no one would ever remember his time here fondly. Absolutely dreadful all round. People moan about Irvine, Mel thought playing high lines with Lugano at centre back was perfectly good!



Equally the same now. Dreadful all round. Give me camicazi on the edge of your seat football any day over the worst football in my 40 years watching the Albion
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 04:45:59 PM


Equally the same now. Dreadful all round. Give me camicazi on the edge of your seat football any day over the worst football in my 40 years watching the Albion

Kamikaze football that lead to teams that scored less goals than games hitting 3 and 4 past us? You score 5 we score 2 isn't any more pleasing. The worst thing was that team under Mel wasn't even particularly good attacking, just awful organised.

His decision to play Reid and Lugano against Villa, then make them play a high line was one of the worst decisions i've ever see any manager make, far worse than Irvine's made. Then having fluked a 2-0 lead despite it being obvious we were chancing it, we didn't change anything and ended up blowing the lead by half time. Funny how people don't remember that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
The players are much more 'Pepe' friendly and he is still available. Go get him JP.

Ole, Ole, Ole!

Yes very odd that  ::) maybe that was the plan all along. Oust the clique by stages - shift Irvine to number two... ? Yes maybe it could work!  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 04:56:19 PM
No head coach has made worse decisions than Ted. He can't make one for starters. I am sure if we had a poll mel or ted we all know the end result don't we.obviously ted will have his few followers for the time being
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
No head coach has made worse decisions than Ted. He can't make one for starters. I am sure if we had a poll mel or ted we all know the end result don't we.obviously ted will have his few followers for the time being

That's because Mel could have lost every game 5-0 and people would have loved him as he was an exotic name. Even when it was obvious in our playing style that Downing was calling the shots given we stopped playing attacking and ended up a defensive side the last couple of months of that season, you still had people falling over to claim how much better the football was under Mel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on November 29, 2014, 05:02:06 PM
Speaking after his side's defeat to Arsene Wenger's side, Irvine continued: "We got close to getting something - we were committing people forward at the end.

"I thought we started well but we lost control of the game. We started the second half ok and there was a big moment at the start of the second that might have made a difference and then obviously they scored.

"We had Arsenal on the back foot late on, we hit the bar so we might have got something."

 http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99)

We started well?We had a big moment??Ridiculous....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 05:06:26 PM
Speaking after his side's defeat to Arsene Wenger's side, Irvine continued: "We got close to getting something - we were committing people forward at the end.

"I thought we started well but we lost control of the game. We started the second half ok and there was a big moment at the start of the second that might have made a difference and then obviously they scored.

"We had Arsenal on the back foot late on, we hit the bar so we might have got something."

 http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99)

We started well?We had a big moment??Ridiculous....



His comments will be his downfall hopefully . Planet cookoo land
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
we were committing people forward at the end

That sentence sums things up nicely
at home
against a team short on confidence
a 3rd choice keeper in goal
we commit forwards at the end

Unforgiveable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 29, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
Irvine continued: "....we were committing people forward at the end...."
All too late, me old mucker, all too late. This comment, in a nutshell, says everything about how you approach football matches, and it sucks.

Mr Peace - you were falling over yourself to get rid of Pepe Mel when many fans wanted him to stay and be given a fair chance, so have you got the balls to do the right thing now, accept that you screwed up, and have a clear out of our coaching staff in a situation where many fans don't want Irvine to stay any longer and most never wanted him appointed in the first place? It should come as little surprise to you that it's gone this way with the fans, so it's up to you to put it right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on November 29, 2014, 05:10:58 PM
Speaking after his side's defeat to Arsene Wenger's side, Irvine continued: "We got close to getting something - we were committing people forward at the end.

"I thought we started well but we lost control of the game. We started the second half ok and there was a big moment at the start of the second that might have made a difference and then obviously they scored.

"We had Arsenal on the back foot late on, we hit the bar so we might have got something."

 http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-west-brom-baggies-berahino-offside-2112222.aspx#XcFsUifp1qBc0Ika.99)

We started well?We had a big moment??Ridiculous....

Can only assume he's on about the Berahino offside...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 05:12:24 PM
His comments prove to me he needs to be moved on.

Happy to just cause problems at the end and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 29, 2014, 05:17:08 PM
Bye bye Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on November 29, 2014, 05:20:06 PM
'we were committing people forward at the end'

Yes as we were losing 1-0 Alan, not exactly rocket science is it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 05:20:45 PM
Bye bye Irvine
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What about to the tune from the Bay city rollers
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 29, 2014, 05:23:10 PM
Irvine 13/1 for next Premier League Gaffa to get the chop.

That's generous considering JP makes the change 'out of the blue'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 29, 2014, 05:24:54 PM
Jacko i agree with a lot of what you say but on certain things (Brunt and Dorrans namely) you have your views and no matter what happens you wont change them.

The same applies with Irvine, you made your mind up before a game was played and no matter what happened you wasnt going to change it, even after wins over Spurs and Burnley you pointed it was down to them in some way rather than anything to do with us.

The post wasnt an essay, it was merely trying to provide some reality to the Irvine situation, nobody wanted him but the way people are talking we are bottom without a point, yes the last few games have been awful but upto that there was a lot of positive, including being mid table and been fairly entertaining, you dont give a manager a new 5 year deal based on a few good games, so surely you shouldnt sack him based on a few bad games.

I assume whoever has the job next if we are not above midtable in the league and playing all out attacking football after 10 x  games then you will be calling for them to be sacked too?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
Irvine 13/1 for next Premier League Gaffa to get the chop.

That's generous considering JP makes the change 'out of the blue'.

a good bet as Rogers and arry brought some extra time today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 05:27:30 PM
Not at all. Any head coach with some attacking intent will do for me, even if we loose. Not a coach continuously worrying about trying to stop the opposition
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 29, 2014, 05:28:28 PM
Can't believe I am desperate for Pulis to take over. Two or three years ago I wouldn't have touched him with a sh*tty stick.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 05:30:19 PM
Jacko i agree with a lot of what you say but on certain things (Brunt and Dorrans namely) you have your views and no matter what happens you wont change them.

The same applies with Irvine, you made your mind up before a game was played and no matter what happened you wasnt going to change it, even after wins over Spurs and Burnley you pointed it was down to them in some way rather than anything to do with us.

The post wasnt an essay, it was merely trying to provide some reality to the Irvine situation, nobody wanted him but the way people are talking we are bottom without a point, yes the last few games have been awful but upto that there was a lot of positive, including being mid table and been fairly entertaining, you dont give a manager a new 5 year deal based on a few good games, so surely you shouldnt sack him based on a few bad games.

I assume whoever has the job next if we are not above midtable in the league and playing all out attacking football after 10 x  games then you will be calling for them to be sacked too?

It's entirely down to the style of play, I'd prefer it if we were bottom and playing like we did under Mowbray. In my opinion that wouldn't happen though as I think we have a very good squad that is handicapped by the head coach and his tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 05:32:37 PM
Can't believe I am desperate for Pulis to take over. Two or three years ago I wouldn't have touched him with a sh*tty stick.



Same here, even hoof ball appeals as long as we get a couple of balls in the box
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
Too be honest these Premier League performances are just like Mowbray sideways passing without any commitment going forward by the time those sideways passes become a forward move.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on November 29, 2014, 05:35:39 PM
It's entirely down to the style of play, I'd prefer it if we were bottom and playing like we did under Mowbray. In my opinion that wouldn't happen though as I think we have a very good squad that is handicapped by the head coach and his tactics.

Completely agree bud, this squad is having it's wings clipped as every week passes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 29, 2014, 05:36:43 PM
Jacko i agree with a lot of what you say but on certain things (Brunt and Dorrans namely) you have your views and no matter what happens you wont change them.

The same applies with Irvine, you made your mind up before a game was played and no matter what happened you wasnt going to change it, even after wins over Spurs and Burnley you pointed it was down to them in some way rather than anything to do with us.

The post wasnt an essay, it was merely trying to provide some reality to the Irvine situation, nobody wanted him but the way people are talking we are bottom without a point, yes the last few games have been awful but upto that there was a lot of positive, including being mid table and been fairly entertaining, you dont give a manager a new 5 year deal based on a few good games, so surely you shouldnt sack him based on a few bad games.

I assume whoever has the job next if we are not above midtable in the league and playing all out attacking football after 10 x  games then you will be calling for them to be sacked too?
Forget league position, it is not what it's all about. We pay good, hard earned money to watch our club and this is embarrassing. I could have walked out after 10 mins today it was so obvious that we had no ambition either on the pitch or the bench. The players are following instruction, that is also clear. This dross is 100% down to Irvine and his inept band of coaches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 29, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
I would have Tony Pulis in tonight, he played wingers at Stoke, and it worked they played some half decent stuff at times. He played Boalise last season at Palace and they still look solid at the back. He would be a great choice for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 29, 2014, 05:41:26 PM
I disagree with the comments that it is like Mowbray. Arguably Irvine has better players to choose from but he is so much More negative  than Mowbray. Arsenal were there for the taking today and we gave them 3 points
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 05:43:30 PM
Too be honest these Premier League performances are just like Mowbray sideways passing without any commitment going forward by the time those sideways passes become a forward move.

Disagree, we dominated teams high up the pitch we just had a very poor defence personnel wise and were a bit short up front once Miller got injured.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
He might set up more negative but the end play in the final third is the same at this level.

I think Mowbrays Premier League Football is seen through rose tinted glasses.

I was never a fan of the 'Mowbray' way with regards to Premier League football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
Come on then seriously. How much time has he got. I think he will get till after the vile game. I expect us to loose the next three. He should go now but I suspect he won't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 29, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
Come on then seriously. How much time has he got. I think he will get till after the vile game. I expect us to loose the next three. He should go now but I suspect he won't
Damage limitation now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 29, 2014, 05:59:45 PM
Some fans wanted him out after the Everton game and we won three on the bounce. He should still get time for me with some games coming up where we should be looking to pick up points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
Some fans wanted him out after the Everton game and we won three on the bounce. He should still get time for me with some games coming up where we should be looking to pick up points.



He will never be accepted by the majority, he will never change his football philosophy (also ask any Sheffield wed supporter)
I don't want Albion to loose but if it means getting rid of boring negative football I will take it to get rid. It's a big fortnight for ted with these winnable games coming up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on November 29, 2014, 06:13:45 PM
cant see us beating west ham Tuesday , hull on sat may get a bore draw then villa at home we get beat by the vile and think we will that's it hes gone . fans are starting to turn on him now .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 29, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Too be honest these Premier League performances are just like Mowbray sideways passing without any commitment going forward by the time those sideways passes become a forward move.
The squad as a whole is much better than Mowbray had available to him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 06:23:42 PM
It is interesting how people dismiss what he has to say but for the first 15 minutes of the game we were on top of them. We were the only side to put the ball in the back of the net in the first half with an offside decision that Chelsea appear to get away with.  We created a chance for our top scorer which you would have probably backed us to take the lead from had it not been for an incorrect flag from the assistant referee. The substitution of Sess for Samaras clearly created more opportunity for us and we clearly had them on the back foot following the substitution , hitting the crossbar.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on November 29, 2014, 06:26:58 PM
It is interesting how people dismiss what he has to say but for the first 15 minutes of the game we were on top of them. We were the only side to put the ball in the back of the net in the first half with an offside decision that Chelsea appear to get away with.  We created a chance for our top scorer which you would have probably backed us to take the lead from had it not been for an incorrect flag from the assistant referee. The substitution of Sess for Samaras clearly created more opportunity for us and we clearly had them on the back foot following the substitution , hitting the crossbar.

Astounding!!  I thought it was only Politicians that put spin on the facts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
I have recently been to the Windy City , politicians talking hot air I believe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 29, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
It is interesting how people dismiss what he has to say but for the first 15 minutes of the game we were on top of them. We were the only side to put the ball in the back of the net in the first half with an offside decision that Chelsea appear to get away with.  We created a chance for our top scorer which you would have probably backed us to take the lead from had it not been for an incorrect flag from the assistant referee. The substitution of Sess for Samaras clearly created more opportunity for us and we clearly had them on the back foot following the substitution , hitting the crossbar.

I take it you were happy with today's performance then?

I do not enjoy watching what is being served up by Alan Irvine, the quicker he goes the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on November 29, 2014, 06:31:30 PM
I like to support my managers. But his changes are so predictable. Such a reactive manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on November 29, 2014, 06:31:50 PM
It is interesting how people dismiss what he has to say but for the first 15 minutes of the game we were on top of them. We were the only side to put the ball in the back of the net in the first half with an offside decision that Chelsea appear to get away with.  We created a chance for our top scorer which you would have probably backed us to take the lead from had it not been for an incorrect flag from the assistant referee. The substitution of Sess for Samaras clearly created more opportunity for us and we clearly had them on the back foot following the substitution , hitting the crossbar.

We only put the ball in the back of the net as the Arsenal players had heard the whistle and were walking away from the ball. Its no good having posession if you dont/cant do anything with it, we never had a shot on target in the 1st half and were playing at home!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 29, 2014, 06:35:19 PM
I see Steve Madeley was saying today that Irvine doesn't see enough out of some players (meaning Blanco and Varela for two) and he doesn't think they're good enough.

Well one of the is a Portuguese international, and the other has caps for Argentina, so does that say more about them or Irvine?

He won't pick them because they are attack minded flair players, and he doesn't like them.

We need him gone. We need Downing and Kiely gone too, because none of these players have improved in the last two years with their coaching, and the stagnation in ideas is going to ruin the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on November 29, 2014, 06:35:48 PM
I believe it is six hours since one of our players scored a goal. That is not a very good statistic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2014, 06:45:55 PM
Dont get me wrong I want him out.  In fact the day he was announced I thought it was a bad dream but who is out there that is a) available or b) willing to leave their jobs, c) willing to work in our system with a DOF, d) have the ability to drop players who are far too comfortable and e) willing to work with our useless coaching team?


Someone please give me some names. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 29, 2014, 06:48:55 PM
Dont get me wrong I want him out.  In fact the day he was announced I thought it was a bad dream but who is out there that is a) available or b) willing to leave their jobs, c) willing to work in our system with a DOF, d) have the ability to drop players who are far too comfortable and e) willing to work with our useless coaching team?


Someone please give me some names.




Downing would be a better bet for starters
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2014, 06:49:54 PM

Downing would be a better bet for starters


Really?  I think that would tip be over the edge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 06:55:30 PM



Downing would be a better bet for starters

Maybe it needs to be done - then at least we would be rid of him within six months!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 06:55:56 PM
I see Steve Madeley was saying today that Irvine doesn't see enough out of some players (meaning Blanco and Varela for two) and he doesn't think they're good enough.

Well one of the is a Portuguese international, and the other has caps for Argentina, so does that say more about them or Irvine?

He won't pick them because they are attack minded flair players, and he doesn't like them.

We need him gone. We need Downing and Kiely gone too, because none of these players have improved in the last two years with their coaching, and the stagnation in ideas is going to ruin the club.
Hallelujah.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 29, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Questions I would seriously like to ask Alan Irvine

1/ The inference from your previous comments is that you do not think Varela is good enough. As he is a Portuguese international, how do you reach this conclusion?

2/ Also, Blanco does not seem to be deemed to be good enough. As he has been capped by Argentina, how do you reach this conclusion?

3/ We have spent £10 million on a striker, the first time in our history we have done so, and you do not think he is good enough. Another international, so how can you justify this?

4/ You also claim that he can't play together with Berahino. Does this not say more about your coaching ability than either players style?

5/ If you truly believe that Blanco, Varela, Ideye, Gamboa, et al, are simply not good enough for West Bromwich Albion, why not play them in a game where we have nothing to lose (e.g. Arsenal at home) to prove it.

6/ Pocognoli has been substituted in approximately 50% of the games he has started; do you not feel it would be better to have a specialist left back on the bench, or at least alter formation to better accommodate the players at your disposal?

7/ Do you realise that 38 0-0 draws might just keep us in the division, but is an impossible objective to achieve?

8/ Do you think you should have taken the job in the first place, having failed at clubs such as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday in league 1?

9/ Youssouf Mulumbu was either player of the season, or a contender for it, in all of the last 5 seasons. He was even called the best defensive midfielder in the Premier league by the Telegraph. How can you explain his drop in form, and his omission from the team, since you took over?

10/ Your substitutions are often the same; you continue to use Anichebe, then Gamboa, then Samaras, mostly in that order. Do you not think a bit of variation might make us harder to scout, and therefore play against?

11/ You say that we had chances, and had Arsenal on the back foot, for the last part of the game. Why do we not start like that, nor play that way in more winnable games?

12/ Ben Fosters kicking has gradually gotten worse over an extended period. Is it not the job of the coaching staff to spot weaknesses in a players game and try to improve them? If so, are you attempting this?

13/ Do you practice free kicks and corners in training, and if so, why do we never see any pre-arranged routines in games?

14/ Also, if Chris Brunt is practicing in training, why has his delivery got steadily worse? This is an issue that pre-dates your appointment, but must be something you would be looking at?

There are more, but I'm getting too angry to type.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 07:06:01 PM
I'd like to know the answers to some of those questions myself. Particularly 1, 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on November 29, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
2 games to save his job?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 07:16:35 PM
I'd like to know the answers to some of those questions myself. Particularly 1, 2 and 3.
Question 1 baffles me.
Question 2 , capped in friendlies against Panama and Haiti and never featured again and playing for the last 3 seasons for a Russian team many have never heard of. Other than we have bought him, what makes you think he is any good? (I hope he is and can show it but not particularly inspired at the minute)
Question 3, Being kept out by an England almost full international (who I would probably drop at the minute)
Maybe?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
2 games to save his job?
I imagine Peace will be looking more closely at the results of our next four games rather than our last three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Questions I would seriously like to ask Alan Irvine

1/ The inference from your previous comments is that you do not think Varela is good enough. As he is a Portuguese international, how do you reach this conclusion?

2/ Also, Blanco does not seem to be deemed to be good enough. As he has been capped by Argentina, how do you reach this conclusion?

3/ We have spent £10 million on a striker, the first time in our history we have done so, and you do not think he is good enough. Another international, so how can you justify this?

4/ You also claim that he can't play together with Berahino. Does this not say more about your coaching ability than either players style?

5/ If you truly believe that Blanco, Varela, Ideye, Gamboa, et al, are simply not good enough for West Bromwich Albion, why not play them in a game where we have nothing to lose (e.g. Arsenal at home) to prove it.

6/ Pocognoli has been substituted in approximately 50% of the games he has started; do you not feel it would be better to have a specialist left back on the bench, or at least alter formation to better accommodate the players at your disposal?

7/ Do you realise that 38 0-0 draws might just keep us in the division, but is an impossible objective to achieve?

8/ Do you think you should have taken the job in the first place, having failed at clubs such as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday in league 1?

9/ Youssouf Mulumbu was either player of the season, or a contender for it, in all of the last 5 seasons. He was even called the best defensive midfielder in the Premier league by the Telegraph. How can you explain his drop in form, and his omission from the team, since you took over?

10/ Your substitutions are often the same; you continue to use Anichebe, then Gamboa, then Samaras, mostly in that order. Do you not think a bit of variation might make us harder to scout, and therefore play against?

11/ You say that we had chances, and had Arsenal on the back foot, for the last part of the game. Why do we not start like that, nor play that way in more winnable games?

12/ Ben Fosters kicking has gradually gotten worse over an extended period. Is it not the job of the coaching staff to spot weaknesses in a players game and try to improve them? If so, are you attempting this?

13/ Do you practice free kicks and corners in training, and if so, why do we never see any pre-arranged routines in games?

14/ Also, if Chris Brunt is practicing in training, why has his delivery got steadily worse? This is an issue that pre-dates your appointment, but must be something you would be looking at?

There are more, but I'm getting too angry to type.

I admire your focused passion amongst the pressure on us all to become cynical.  Great post maybe send him a letter/email?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on November 29, 2014, 07:41:41 PM
If we were going to beat Arsenal then today was the day . It wasnt , not because of the team but because of the coach/ manager.

We have a perfectly good team to stay up . No doubts.
I give up , i really do. The coach is awful. Really awful. :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on November 29, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
JP took a huge gamble in appointing this lower league failure. It is time for him to bite the bullet and fire him now. If he doesn't we are nailed on to be relegated - and JP will see his assets in the club plummet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 29, 2014, 08:12:50 PM
Questions I would seriously like to ask Alan Irvine

1/ The inference from your previous comments is that you do not think Varela is good enough. As he is a Portuguese international, how do you reach this conclusion?

2/ Also, Blanco does not seem to be deemed to be good enough. As he has been capped by Argentina, how do you reach this conclusion?

3/ We have spent £10 million on a striker, the first time in our history we have done so, and you do not think he is good enough. Another international, so how can you justify this?

4/ You also claim that he can't play together with Berahino. Does this not say more about your coaching ability than either players style?

5/ If you truly believe that Blanco, Varela, Ideye, Gamboa, et al, are simply not good enough for West Bromwich Albion, why not play them in a game where we have nothing to lose (e.g. Arsenal at home) to prove it.

6/ Pocognoli has been substituted in approximately 50% of the games he has started; do you not feel it would be better to have a specialist left back on the bench, or at least alter formation to better accommodate the players at your disposal?

7/ Do you realise that 38 0-0 draws might just keep us in the division, but is an impossible objective to achieve?

8/ Do you think you should have taken the job in the first place, having failed at clubs such as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday in league 1?

9/ Youssouf Mulumbu was either player of the season, or a contender for it, in all of the last 5 seasons. He was even called the best defensive midfielder in the Premier league by the Telegraph. How can you explain his drop in form, and his omission from the team, since you took over?

10/ Your substitutions are often the same; you continue to use Anichebe, then Gamboa, then Samaras, mostly in that order. Do you not think a bit of variation might make us harder to scout, and therefore play against?

11/ You say that we had chances, and had Arsenal on the back foot, for the last part of the game. Why do we not start like that, nor play that way in more winnable games?

12/ Ben Fosters kicking has gradually gotten worse over an extended period. Is it not the job of the coaching staff to spot weaknesses in a players game and try to improve them? If so, are you attempting this?

13/ Do you practice free kicks and corners in training, and if so, why do we never see any pre-arranged routines in games?

14/ Also, if Chris Brunt is practicing in training, why has his delivery got steadily worse? This is an issue that pre-dates your appointment, but must be something you would be looking at?

There are more, but I'm getting too angry to type.
Rest assured Mr Peace will be asking 1,2,3 !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
The worrying signs that I saw regularly at Hillsborough are appearing to the fore here.

I like Irvine - he is a studious head coach, a good man and someone you can trust. Unfortunately, what his football teams produce isn't good enough, isn't pleasing on the eye and in my opinion if we persist with him throughout the season then we will probably end up occupying one of the bottom three places.

There is no idea whenever we fall behind and I pretty much resign myself to losing the football match. We have the compulsory Gamboa for Pocognoli substitution with Wisdom moving and then today our most threatening player is withdrawn for a player who in his small glimpses has looked like he would rather be playing elsewhere. There is very little attacking threat to our play and even when we were throwing the ball into the box late on you never thought an opportunity would materiaise as it seemed a case of hit and hope rather than any measured idea of thought.

This week would always be a big week in Irvine's time here and he's got off to the worst possible start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on November 29, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Awful, got to go! Starting line up doesn't work, change it. Substitutions are woeful at best. Slow football. Shocking, VVV don't defend him this week. He has to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 29, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
It is interesting how people dismiss what he has to say but for the first 15 minutes of the game we were on top of them. We were the only side to put the ball in the back of the net in the first half with an offside decision that Chelsea appear to get away with.  We created a chance for our top scorer which you would have probably backed us to take the lead from had it not been for an incorrect flag from the assistant referee. The substitution of Sess for Samaras clearly created more opportunity for us and we clearly had them on the back foot following the substitution , hitting the crossbar.
are you a solicitor? are you a solicitor for Irvine?? your case for the defence is abysmal. Can only assume if the club decided our paint work should be claret and blue you would say if it was official it must be OK, open your eyes Irvine is a one way ticket to the championship !! >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 29, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
I imagine Peace will be looking more closely at the results of our next four games rather than our last three.

Could not agree more. Fail to put in some match winning  performances against the next four and he will be gone.

The ironic thing I found about today's match is his tactics nearly worked and we nearly got a good point against a decent Arsenal team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 08:44:43 PM
VVAlbion has an opinion - he has a right to that.

Lets do the debating like adults folks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
Could not agree more. Fail to put in some match winning  performances against the next four and he will be gone.

The ironic thing I found about today's match is his tactics nearly worked and we nearly got a good point against a decent Arsenal team.

How on earth do you surmise it nearly worked? We never looked like equalising, even the header that hit the bar was a tame effort which would have been a comforatble save had it been low enough to go in. We had one shot on target. No shots at all for 54 minutes: a Premier League record apparently. We were the HOME team, it's just unacceptable to play that way against anyone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
Irvine has hit a crossroads here. He has a number of choices and he needs to be bold.

Either he can continue with his handbrake on, one paced football with the likes of Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner within the same midfield dictating a slow tempo with our full backs failing to provide any width

or

He can approach a game with a more imaginative midfield where the emphasis is on creativity. You have the likes of Blanco, Varela and Sessegnon available to you. It's imperative you get the most from them Alan otherwise your reign here won't last very long.

I just want to see a bit of intention from an Albion side. An Albion side creating a bit of pressure rather than an elementary hoof after seven or eight passes. We have to move the ball much quicker and take the game to the opposition - unfortunately we won't do that when our wide midfielders are Brunt and Dorrans.

Unfortunately I see us continuing with the one paced, pedestrian football which will continue to bore everybody stiff and alienate the fan base against him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
Irvine has hit a crossroads here. He has a number of choices and he needs to be bold.

Either he can continue with his handbrake on, one paced football with the likes of Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner within the same midfield dictating a slow tempo with our full backs failing to provide any width

or

He can approach a game with a more imaginative midfield where the emphasis is on creativity. You have the likes of Blanco, Varela and Sessegnon available to you. It's imperative you get the most from them Alan otherwise your reign here won't last very long.

I just want to see a bit of intention from an Albion side. An Albion side creating a bit of pressure rather than an elementary hoof after seven or eight passes. We have to move the ball much quicker and take the game to the opposition - unfortunately we won't do that when our wide midfielders are Brunt and Dorrans.

Unfortunately I see us continuing with the one paced, pedestrian football which will continue to bore everybody stiff and alienate the fan base against him.

I honestly believe he doesn't think there is anything wrong.

Madely and a couple of sycophants came across as very smug pre kick-off in a discussion on twitter about the new signings, the point being Irvine has as good as said they're not good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
I honestly believe he doesn't think there is anything wrong.

Madely and a couple of sycophants came across as very smug pre kick-off in a discussion on twitter about the new signings, the point being Irvine has as good as said they're not good enough.

I don't think Madeley needs to tell us that to be honest.

The fact he has more or less refused to use any of Varela, Brown and Blanco speaks volumes.

Surely they can't be worse than some of the current garbage on offer?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 09:03:20 PM
I don't think Madeley needs to tell us that to be honest.

The fact he has more or less refused to use any of Varela, Brown and Blanco speaks volumes.

Surely they can't be worse than some of the current garbage on offer?

Well a few people said that to him, only for the "he sees them in training all week" AND this was the kicker, he (Madeley) can't believe fans think teams are picked based purely on matches, came across worse than Lepkowski ever did, and he could get on his high horse at times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
Well a few people said that to him, only for the "he sees them in training all week" AND this was the kicker, he (Madeley) can't believe fans think teams are picked based purely on matches, came across worse than Lepkowski ever did, and he could get on his high horse at times.

I noticed he had been quite critical of the players in recent weeks which was totally different to last season when they couldn't wait to have a pop at a head coach..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on November 29, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Madeley has lost all objectivity which is unfortunate as it's vital for his job. He will not have a bad word said about Irvine and the heirachy at the club (perhaps something to do with his pals Swain and Lepkowski being high up?).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 09:18:32 PM
Madeley has lost all objectivity which is unfortunate as it's vital for his job. He will not have a bad word said about Irvine and the heirachy at the club (perhaps something to do with his pals Swain and Lepkowski being high up?).

I think that could be spot on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 29, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
How on earth do you surmise it nearly worked? We never looked like equalising, even the header that hit the bar was a tame effort which would have been a comforatble save had it been low enough to go in. We had one shot on target. No shots at all for 54 minutes: a Premier League record apparently. We were the HOME team, it's just unacceptable to play that way against anyone.
Just to put you right on one thing. I saw the slow motion and that effort would have been in if just under the bar - the keeper had dived and there was room. It would have just papered over the cracks though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
Awful, got to go! Starting line up doesn't work, change it. Substitutions are woeful at best. Slow football. Shocking, VVV don't defend him this week. He has to go.
Of course he has to go, in the last three matches we have lost to the Premier league form team and two Champions league teams. Our Premier league survival does not really hinge on any of these games and we had opportunities to get something from today's game.  Disappointed but I'm not slashing my wrists.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 09:57:54 PM
Of course he has to go, in the last three matches we have lost to the Premier league form team and two Champions league teams. Our Premier league survival does not really hinge on any of these games and we had opportunities to get something from today's game.  Disappointed but I'm not slashing my wrists.
That's no excuse for not trying to get points from them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
Whilst people will blame Irvine I think the serious questions need directing at our recruitment this season. I have sympathy with Andre Wisdom as I've never thought he was a natural right-back but needs must and he tries his best; we all acknowledge (I think) he isn't good enough. So why is Gamboa not playing ahead of him? If he's worse what were recruitment doing? He seems erratic but I do think Irvine should put more faith in him, so it's one area I will criticise him. We haven't got what I'd describe as a fit natural winger in the side, which is clearly not Irvine's fault and staggering. Conspiracy theories seem to have arisen about Irvine disliking Varela. Well we all know his omittance is partly down to injuries and lacking fitness because of joining late on without a pre-season. When I've heard Irvine speak about him I've been given the impression he wants him involved so I don't share this belief, if he could involve him I think he would. Blanco just doesn't look like a winger when he has played and not better than Sessegnon to play through the middle. Davidson looks woeful when I've seen him. Ideye has been injured and missed pre-season, when he's played it seems staggering Jeremy Peace, of all people, would shell out £10million. Samaras was a cheap squad player, as is Baird, and both look it. Stalwarts like Olsson, albeit briefly looked out of sorts, Mulumbu was disappointing today and has been most of the season. The hope Yacob would be rejuvenated hasn't transpired. He may be picking a similar side most weeks but when I've seen the new guys it's hard to blame him, aside from Gamboa. So what is the real criticism of Irvine? Dull tactics? Roy was worse in my opinion. Awful results? We've done okay so far a point a game. Substitutions? Seems a small point to me. He has had some success bringing on Big Vic. Is it because it's Alan Irvine? Well yeah it clearly is but it's hard to come to terms with for some.

Only 3 players have been a success (out of 11) so far after losing about as many as 9. I think Irvine is doing okay with a pretty average/poor premiership squad. That's my honest assessment. Not because Irvine is an underdog, not because I want to be a contrarian, not because I enjoy the football (it's usually dull) but because I think he has been give a monumental task and I think he has done a decent job with what he has at his disposal. Of course he'll be the one to be booted out if things get worse, I don't think it'll help results or performance but possibly improve the atmosphere briefly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
That's no excuse for not trying to get points from them.
You may disagree with the method that he sets us up to get points but you honestly believe that professional sports men go into a match intent on losing? You might want to write to the fa about your match fixing conspiracy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
And this is why I post, to highlight idiotic opinions like this.  ;) You may disagree with the method that he sets us up to get points but you honestly believe that professional sports men go into a match intent on losing? You might want to write to the fa about your match fixing conspiracy.
Okay, Irvine probably did think in his not-so-brilliantly-configured mind that the way he set up his team in the previous two games was optimal to getting a point. My point stems from an (almost) disbelief that he could possibly envisage such tactics would result in us ever getting something positive from either game. Such conservatism (to put it mildly) was only ever going to result in losing, and, at times, was reminiscent of an attempt at damage limitation.

Perhaps if you were able to read between the lines in my comment you'd have been able to appreciate my point was slightly more nuanced than a suggestion of match-fixing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
Okay, Irvine probably did think in his not-so-brilliantly-configured mind that the way he set up his team in the previous two games was optimal to getting a point. My point stems from an (almost) disbelief that he could possibly envisage such tactics would result in us ever getting something positive from either game. Such conservatism (to put it mildly) was only ever going to result in losing, and, at times, was reminiscent of an attempt at damage limitation.

This is such a common point and a false one. That conservatism has got us results in the past and will do in the future. It just stings a lot more when you play that way and lose. Can anyone really convince me this isn't the case?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
This is such a common point and a false one. That conservatism has got us results in the past and will do in the future. It just stings a lot more when you play that way and lose. Can anyone really convince me this isn't the case?
On the contrary, such conservatism has seen us throw away the chance at gaining points in a number of games this season, where a more balanced approach might have seen us picking up points in the odd game (better than nothing), albeit in exchange for a poorer goal difference from the games we would have ended up losing by a heavier margin.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on November 29, 2014, 10:23:33 PM
I think if we lose the next 2 games he will be sacked for sure,our midfield is now simply too slow to compete at this level,second tier prem teams like ,Swansea,newcastle,hull,even palace are much too quick for us,its like watching England v Scotland and we are Scotland,only teams we can compete with are burnley and Leicester who lack pace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 10:28:27 PM
This is such a common point and a false one. That conservatism has got us results in the past and will do in the future. It just stings a lot more when you play that way and lose. Can anyone really convince me this isn't the case?

A win or a loss, with or without conservatism affects your points sure.  I think you might find that a majority of fans want their team to play like we did at the end of the match today rather than the dross we saw at the start. I also personally think such tactics would have brought results rather than the system we used which clearly didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:30:12 PM
On the contrary, such conservatism has seen us throw away the chance at gaining points in a number of games this season, where a more balanced approach might have seen us picking up points in the odd game (better than nothing), in exchange for a poorer goal difference from the games we would have ended up losing by a heavier margin.

Seems a poor unprovable argument. All nice rhetoric no substance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:34:09 PM
A win or a loss, with or without conservatism affects your points sure.  I think you might find that a majority of fans want their team to play like we did at the end of the match today rather than the dross we saw at the start. I also personally think such tactics would have brought results rather than the system we used which clearly didn't.

A mentioned elsewhere that atmosphere may improve if we dispensed with Irvine and adopted a more positive approach, it didn't work with Mel though did it. However a manager deserved to be judged purely on results and I don't think a different approach would have made a positive difference at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:35:14 PM
Seems a poor unprovable argument. All nice rhetoric no substance.
You just described your own point, the one I was responding to.

If you want substance, I refer you to the previous three games, and the Liverpool game. A more positive approach couldn't possibly have resulted in less points, but chances are, we'd have picked up at least one point in exchange for our efforts (though I'd argue more).

In terms of being falsifiable, neither was your original argument.

Do you honestly believe the playing style we're seeing at the moment is optimal to getting the most points over 38 games?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:42:10 PM
A mentioned elsewhere that atmosphere may improve if we dispensed with Irvine and adopted a more positive approach, it didn't work with Mel though did it. However a manager deserved to be judged purely on results and I don't think a different approach would have made a positive difference at all.
Just like you pointed out of my own point, this is total conjecture.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 29, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
A mentioned elsewhere that atmosphere may improve if we dispensed with Irvine and adopted a more positive approach, it didn't work with Mel though did it. However a manager deserved to be judged purely on results and I don't think a different approach would have made a positive difference at all.

It didn't work with Mel because we had a divided squad, they were not fit enough and we were light on strikers.

I think Irvine is a decent coach, but he is not a tactician, he has no idea how to play attacking football, he just cannot bring it all together.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 10:44:34 PM
A mentioned elsewhere that atmosphere may improve if we dispensed with Irvine and adopted a more positive approach, it didn't work with Mel though did it. However a manager deserved to be judged purely on results and I don't think a different approach would have made a positive difference at all.

I think Mel was put in an untenable position, at the time people were saying "right man wrong time". I find it really weird to be honest how the squad would seem to have been chosen with Mel in mind but with Irvine to manage. This might be the result of the disjointed system we are working  under.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
Just like you pointed out of my own point, this is total conjecture.



Well did it under Mel or Mowbray our most positive managers in the prem? Yes it is conjecture but I do think that there is more evidence to support my claim. Yours is just an unoriginal point that is just thrown out by a lot of fans whenever there is a loss playing this style of football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
A mentioned elsewhere that atmosphere may improve if we dispensed with Irvine and adopted a more positive approach, it didn't work with Mel though did it. However a manager deserved to be judged purely on results and I don't think a different approach would have made a positive difference at all.
Firstly, it's unfair to compare the two as Mel had to work with his hands tied behind his back (players unwilling to play ambitious football, Keith Downing and Dean Kiely seemingly undermining him, and no chance to bring in his own players).

Secondly, despite those factors, he kept us up and increased the entertainment factor.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 29, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
I think JP will get rid if we lose to West Ham, he did not hang around with Clarke, its purely a business decision for him, Irvine is now damaging the business.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
I think Mel was put in an untenable position, at the time people were saying "right man wrong time". I find it really weird to be honest how the squad would seem to have been chosen with Mel in mind but with IIrvine to manage. This might be the result of the disjointed system we are working  under.

And excuses come out for the positive manager and stories with little substance are rolled out to defend him. Is Irvine is a brilliant position with a huge turnover of players?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:48:24 PM
Well did it under Mel or Mowbray our most positive managers in the prem? Yes it is conjecture but I do think that their is more evidence to support my claim. Yours is just an unoriginal point that is just thrown out by a lot of fans whenever there is a loss playing this style of football.
*there.

Again, similar to the point that's been made over Mel, you can't compare Mowbray's rein to the current one given the difference in quality of our squad between now and then.

Do you honestly believe Mowbray would be doing worse than Irvine is with the current squad, even purely on points?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:50:25 PM
Firstly, it's unfair to compare the two as Mel had to work with his hands tied behind his back (players unwilling to play ambitious football, Keith Downing and Dean Kiely seemingly undermining him, and no chance to bring in his own players).

Secondly, despite those factors, he kept us up and increased the entertainment factor.

Prove any of that. Even if it were true surely that means Mel wasn't strong enough, he admitted himself he lost the dressing room.

Barley kept us up and we were conservative at times. Norwich, West Ham where was actually got results. The only thing that inproved was the atmosphere under Mel. Stats prove results didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
*there.

Again, similar to the point that's been made over Mel, you can't compare Mowbray's rein to the current one given the difference in quality of our squad between now and then.

Do you honestly believe Mowbray would be doing worse than Irvine is with the current squad, even purely on points?

Yes I did use the incorrect there apologies, I should proof read before posting.

Yes 100%. Who doesn't? Mowbray has an appalling record as a manager since leaving us. I liked him and the football his results overall were poor.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
And excuses come out for the positive manager and stories with little substance are rolled out to defend him. Is Irvine is a brilliant position with a huge turnover of players?

I guess it all boils down to whether you buy into the "lack of fitness" reason for not using our flair players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 10:57:52 PM
I guess it all boils down to whether you buy into the "lack of fitness" reason for not using our flair players.

Sessegnon is a flair player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
Prove any of that. Even if it were true surely that means Mel wasn't strong enough, he admitted himself he lost the dressing room.

Barley kept us up and we were conservative at times. Norwich, West Ham where was actually got results. The only thing that inproved was the atmosphere under Mel. Stats prove results didn't.
I'd be happy to. Mel wasn't given any money to make signings, which is just an indisputable fact.

Secondly, it's common knowledge that the players organised a meeting in order to move away from the playing style Mel was trying to implement.

To take a step back for a second, the debate was over whether a more balanced approach could lead to better results (independent of the easier-on-the-eye football it would inevitably produce, which is worth something to many fans in itself). Unfortunately neither of us can definitively prove whether it would either way, but hopefully we'll found out in due course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 11:01:00 PM
Back to Pepe Mel again.   ???

Everyone on here could be as good a manager as he was. I can tell the support I expect a high line, attacking adventurous football and quick passing movement, (even Alan Irvine could do that) however actually working with the resources available to him showed him up for the head coach he wasn't.
The same coaches that he was "lumbered" with (if that is your argument for his failure) are the same ones that Irvine is working with but that argument no longer suits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:01:45 PM
Sessegnon is a flair player.
He is one. As we have seen, one flair player and a striker hasn't offered us enough of a threat to see us score a goal in the last six hours of football (there's an actual fact for you). A cliche though it is, if you don't score you can't win. If you apply that stat to the remaining games, we're going down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 11:03:25 PM
I guess it all boils down to whether you buy into the "lack of fitness" reason for not using our flair players.
I guess it boils down to if you believe our "flair" players are any good?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
Back to Pepe Mel again.   ???

Everyone on here could be as good a manager as he was. I can tell the support I expect a high line, attacking adventurous football and quick passing movement, (even Alan Irvine could do that) however actually working with the resources available to him showed him up for the head coach he wasn't.
The same coaches that he was "lumbered" with (if that is your argument for his failure) are the same ones that Irvine is working with but that argument no longer suits.
If you'd care to read the debate, Mel wasn't brought into this because he is seen as the saviour, but rather was brought into it by KingKoren to suggest that a more attacking style is unlikely to bring us more points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:08:37 PM
I'd be happy to. Mel wasn't given any money to make signings, which is just an indisputable fact.

Secondly, it's common knowledge that the players organised a meeting in order to move away from the playing style Mel was trying to implement.

To take a step back for a second, the debate was over whether a more balanced approach could lead to better results (independent of the easier-on-the-eye football it would inevitably produce, which is worth something to many fans in itself). Unfortunately neither of us can definitively prove whether it would either way, but hopefully we'll found out in due course.

Was he promised signings?

Well doesn't the manager deserve criticism for not selling his philosophy to the players?

Our most conservative manager in the Premiership was Roy Hogson and he got the best results (best win percentage). I'd say this is what the club recognised and wanted to replicate with Irvine. Who knows whether this will happen. What is not certain is that more attacking brand of football will guarantee better results. We should support the manager regardless of playing style and it's evident that is not happening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 11:09:23 PM
If you'd care to read the debate, Mel wasn't brought into this because he is seen as the saviour, but rather was brought into it by KingKoren to suggest that a more attacking style is unlikely to bring us more points.
And excuses were made by you for Pepe Mel results which you don't afford to Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
He is one. As we have seen, one flair player and a striker hasn't offered us enough of a threat to see us score a goal in the last six hours of football (there's an actual fact for you). A cliche though it is, if you don't score you can't win. If you apply that stat to the remaining games, we're going down.

Who's fault is it we don't have fit flair wingers available?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
I think if we lose the next 2 games he will be sacked for sure,our midfield is now simply too slow to compete at this level,second tier prem teams like ,Swansea,newcastle,hull,even palace are much too quick for us,its like watching England v Scotland and we are Scotland,only teams we can compete with are burnley and Leicester who lack pace

We're worse than Scotland, Dorrans can get in our side.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 11:13:53 PM
We're worse than Scotland, Dorrans can get in our side.

The constant put downs of certain players and hero worship of others is getting past boring now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 11:15:21 PM
The constant put downs of certain players and hero worship of others is getting past boring now.
To be fair,  that was amusing.  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:15:58 PM
Was he promised signings?

Well doesn't the manager deserve criticism for not selling his philosophy to the players?

Our most conservative manager in the Premiership was Roy Hogson and he got the best results (best win percentage). I'd say this is what the club recognised and wanted to replicate with Irvine. Who knows whether this will happen. What is not certain is that more attacking brand of football will guarantee better results. We should support the manager regardless of playing style and it's evident that is not happening.
Except Hodgson wasn't our most conservative manager, Irvine is (and you could make an argument for Megson too). Hodgson succeeded in getting a balance far superior to what we're currently seeing with Irvine. He even played wingers! Without that balance he wouldn't have been as successful as he was.

I agree that that's probably what was in Peace's mind when he appointed Irvine. Unfortunately Irvine isn't and never will be Roy Hodgson.

As for supporting the manager regardless, that's a whole different debate. My own thoughts on that is that if you believe the manager is only going to lead to your demise, you have a right to voice your opinion on him and argue for his replacement.

To be honest I think you'll struggle with the proposal that all fans should stick with the manager no matter what, it's a personal opinion and people have the right to choose.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 11:17:27 PM
To be fair,  that was amusing.  :D

First time maybe, but when we see the same sort of comments on a more than daily basis it gets boring.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on November 29, 2014, 11:18:10 PM
Peace get this clown out asap
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:19:35 PM
And excuses were made by you for Pepe Mel results which you don't afford to Alan Irvine.
Correct, they don't apply. The reasons were:

a) being undermined by Downing and Kiely (doesn't apply as they have similar, boring philosophies and appear to get on rather well)
b) not having the opportunity to influence signings (Irvine was present for eleven)
c) players refusing to play his style of play (players are carrying out Irvine's style of play very well indeed...)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Who's fault is it we don't have fit flair wingers available?
Irvine's for not giving them the necessary game time (though I'm not sure why this is aimed at me as I've not said anything about this)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
I guess it boils down to if you believe our "flair" players are any good?

Unfortunately we don't see enough to judge.  Yet using conservative methodology we continue to not only  fail to pick up points but also perhaps more importantly disappoint and even depress the fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:23:05 PM
Except Hodgson wasn't our most conservative manager, Irvine is (and you could make an argument for Megson too). Hodgson succeeded in getting a balance far superior to what we're currently seeing with Irvine. He even played wingers! Without that balance he wouldn't have been as successful as he was.

I agree that that's probably what was in Peace's mind when he appointed Irvine. Unfortunately Irvine isn't and never will be Roy Hodgson.

As for supporting the manager regardless, that's a whole different debate. My own thoughts on that is that if you believe the manager is only going to lead to your demise, you have a right to voice your opinion on him and argue for his replacement.

To be honest I think you'll struggle with the proposal that all fans should stick with the manager no matter what, it's a personal opinion and people have the right to choose.


Perhaps he had fit wingers at his disposal.

Why can't he be? Genuine question? By all accounts he is fantastic coach and an organiser like Roy.

There's no way Jeremy Peace isn't aware the majority of fans don't like Irvine he doesn't care.  So what does voicing this opinion achieve? Negative atmosphere. Players are more tentative. Attending games is less enjoyable.

I agree however majority opinion doesn't interest me. Most fans are not intelligent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
Irvine's for not giving them the necessary game time (though I'm not sure why this is aimed at me as I've not said anything about this)

I quoted whoever posted it and replied.

Varela has been injured. There is no other winger.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on November 29, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
Wanted to give the guy a chance, but same team, same subs, same changes, every week! hasnt given anybody else a chance, needs to shape up soon - were the home team every other week ffs getting p*ssed off now - its not as though anybody weve played has dominated us except Chelski & theyre so far ahead of anybody else its unreal! Mr Irvine shape up or ship out! you dont know what youre doing sung by the crowd maybe somewhat unfortunate but not everybody can be wrong! SORT IT OUT NOW OR GET LOST!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2014, 11:28:50 PM
Unfortunately we don't see enough to judge.  Yet using conservative methodology we continue to not only  fail to pick up points but also perhaps more importantly disappoint and even depress the fans.
So the answer suggested is to put players in that are potentially no good because the supporters haven't seen them play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:31:27 PM
So the answer suggested is to put players in that are potentially no good because the supporters haven't seen them play?

Exactly don't understand why some fans can't see how ridiculous that is. When they play they show nothing, in training they show nothing, they aren't as fit. Why would you pick them over the regulars?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:33:51 PM
Perhaps he had fit wingers at his disposal.

Why can't he be? Genuine question? By all accounts he is fantastic coach and an organiser like Roy.

There's no way Jeremy Peace isn't aware the majority of fans don't like Irvine he doesn't care.  So what does voicing this opinion achieve? Negative atmosphere. Players are more tentative. Attending games is less enjoyable.

I agree however majority opinion doesn't interest me. Most fans are not intelligent.
Irvine has fit wingers at his disposal, the last of which to get fit was Varela, who according to Irvine was fit two weeks ago. Blanco isn't an out and out winger but is more than comfortable playing on the side in an advanced role, and would bring a lot more flair and attacking intent into our team.

Why can't he be Roy Hodgson? That's laughable, but if I really must answer, you could start by taking a look at the two's records.

I guess I hope that the fans' opinion will put pressure on Peace to act, but I'm aware that could be naive.

I agree that most football fans aren't intelligent (I don't include you in this, I've enjoyed our debate).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 11:34:05 PM
Perhaps he had fit wingers at his disposal.

Why can't he be? Genuine question? By all accounts he is fantastic coach and an organiser like Roy.

There's no way Jeremy Peace isn't aware the majority of fans don't like Irvine he doesn't care.  So what does voicing this opinion achieve? Negative atmosphere. Players are more tentative. Attending games is less enjoyable.

I agree however majority opinion doesn't interest me. Most fans are not intelligent.
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You don't have to be a genius to know when something is wrong.  It is arrogant to suggest that fans will put up with any old dross.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bombersboots on November 29, 2014, 11:40:46 PM
Having just read Irvines interview in the mail, I cannot believe he actually thinks that bad luck is somehow  the major problem that were experiencing  this season, 'big decisions' going against us, blah,blah,blah. 54 today mins for a shot at goal, god knows how many hours since we actually scored a goal (for ourelves) that's why were struggling. You make your own luck in football by taking the game to the opposition, being brave, positive and scoring goals. Unfortunately,he appears out of his depth, however great a coach he is purported to be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:43:59 PM
First time maybe, but when we see the same sort of comments on a more than daily basis it gets boring.

Just been back through my last 150 posts, no Dorrans put downs, though any time I do mention him, you're there leaping to his defence. That goes back to the beginning of November so hardly a daily occurence.

People are hung up on this Dorrans thing with me when in reality I have very little to say about him any more.

Exactly don't understand why some fans can't see how ridiculous that is. When they play they show nothing, in training they show nothing, they aren't as fit. Why would you pick them over the regulars?

The regulars are playing very poorly. Also he has nothing to lose by giving them game time because if it goes wrong he can say I told you so and revert to type.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:45:37 PM
Irvine has fit wingers at his disposal, the last of which to get fit was Varela, who according to Irvine was fit two weeks ago. Blanco isn't an out and out winger but is more than comfortable playing on the side in an advanced role, and would bring a lot more flair and attacking intent into our team.

Why can't he be Roy Hodgson? That's laughable, but if I really must answer, take a look at the two's records.

I guess I hope that the fans' opinion will put pressure on Peace to act, but I'm aware that could be naive.

I agree that most football fans aren't intelligent (I don't include you in this, I've enjoyed our debate).

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-silvestre-varela-set-8092925

In this article he makes it clear he isn't fit or fit enough, it maybe November 11th but it's unlikely he'll be caught up in two weeks.  He clearly wants him involved  by the sounds of it too why wouldn't he? He at least showed something positive in a game. Blanco is not a natural winger, he's no more a winger than Dorrans is.

Not really answered the question. Everyone starts with no record, he had only managed two clubs before.

Peace will base it on results nothing else. The atmosphere was still ok when Clarke and Di Matteo went.

Maybe it's unfair but I sit in the Smethwick and perhaps that colours my opinion unfairly  ;D

I have enjoyed it also. Would be more happy with better results that internet debates however.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 29, 2014, 11:46:06 PM
Having just read Irvines interview in the mail, I cannot believe he actually thinks that bad luck is somehow  the major problem that were experiencing  this season, 'big decisions' going against us, blah,blah,blah. 54 today mins for a shot at goal, god knows how many hours since we actually scored a goal (for ourelves) that's why were struggling. You make your own luck in football by taking the game to the opposition, being brave, positive and scoring goals. Unfortunately,he appears out of his depth, however great a coach he is purported to be.

If Berahino isn't incorrectly called offside then there's a big chance he scores to put us 1-0 up then it's a totally different game. Sometimes you need the rub of the green against the big teams.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 29, 2014, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: VVVAlbion link=topic=13829.msg336710#msg336710 dayourte=1417303658
So the answer suggested is to put players in that are potentially no good because the supporters haven't seen them play?

I am not complaining because "flair" players are not being  included and we are playing well.  I am complaining because we are dreadful and we have other options.  Then again it doesn't matter what team you field if the tactics you use are not suited to their abilities. 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:46:37 PM
Just been back through my last 150 posts, no Dorrans put downs, though any time I do mention him, you're there leaping to his defence. That goes back to the beginning of November so hardly a daily occurence.

People are hung up on this Dorrans thing with me when in reality I have very little to say about him any more.

The regulars are playing very poorly. Also he has nothing to lose by giving them game time because if it goes wrong he can say I told you so and revert to type.
I'd also add that their pedigree is very good, in terms of Ideye's goalscoring record, Blanco and Varela's caps for Argentina and Portugal, and Gamboa's performances for Costa Rica.

Hard to see how they couldn't improve on the current clique really
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:49:49 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-silvestre-varela-set-8092925

In this article he makes it clear he isn't fit or fit enough, it maybe November 11th but it's unlikely he'll be caught up in two weeks.  He clearly wants him involved  by the sounds of it too why wouldn't he? He at least showed something positive in a game. Blanco is not a natural winger, he's no more a winger than Dorrans is.

Not really answered the question. Everyone starts with no record, he had only managed two clubs before.

Peace will base it on results nothing else. The atmosphere was still ok when Clarke and Di Matteo went.

Maybe it's unfair but I sit in the Smethwick and perhaps that colours my opinion of a few  ;D

I have enjoyed it also. Would be more happy with better results that internet debates however.

You need to get up to speed, Irvine said Varela was fit and available for Chelsea and therefore also today, but he was left out of the 18 for "tactical" reasons.

Hodgson learned his trade abroad, never went and hid in youth football following his set backs, had managed god knows how many clubs by the time he was Irvine's age, I feel embarrassed for you that you would draw any parallels yet say most fans aren't intelligent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 11:50:44 PM
Just been back through my last 150 posts, no Dorrans put downs, though any time I do mention him, you're there leaping to his defence. That goes back to the beginning of November so hardly a daily occurence.

People are hung up on this Dorrans thing with me when in reality I have very little to say about him any more.

The regulars are playing very poorly. Also he has nothing to lose by giving them game time because if it goes wrong he can say I told you so and revert to type.

If you say so but I think the fact that members are picking up on things and have posted similar comments suggest differently, first we had the issues with Long and now the same with Dorrans whereas anyone mentions Brunt you are there to defend at all costs. I don't leap to defence of anyone, I am perfectly happy to ignore posts and many of yours have been.

You have plenty to say and have done but instead of continuing things on the forum and detracting from the thread then please pm me if you wish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
As we all know he only seems to have one game plan of playing for a draw and preventing the opposition from scoring with the hope of nicking a goal for the 3 points but as soon as we concede then the plan inevitably fails as there is no plan B. This may have worked before the introduction of 3 points for a win in staying up but not now.

Another poster mentioned that it is now 6 hours or so since an Albion player found the back of the net in the premiership which is a pretty poor statistic.

JP is unlikely to sack him I would imagine this side of Christmas as there will be too much loss of face.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 29, 2014, 11:51:30 PM
I'd also add that their pedigree is very good, in terms of Ideye's goalscoring record, Blanco and Varela's caps for Argentina and Portugal, and Gamboa's performances for Costa Rica.

Hard to see how they couldn't improve on the current clique really

Wasn't Rosenberg's pedigree good?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 29, 2014, 11:53:55 PM
Wasn't Rosenberg's pedigree good?

Was and still is, 15 goals in 28 games for Malmo this season suggests there is pedigree so questions should be asked what went wrong here and why he wasn't given a proper chance in the role he does best as he seems to get elsewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:54:12 PM
Wasn't Rosenberg's pedigree good?

And Clarke bottled picking him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2014, 11:54:25 PM
You need to get up to speed, Irvine said Varela was fit and available for Chelsea and therefore also today, but he was left out of the 18 for "tactical" reasons.

Hodgson learned his trade abroad, never went and hid in youth football following his set backs, had managed god knows how many clubs by the time he was Irvine's age, I feel embarrassed for you that you would draw any parallels yet say most fans aren't intelligent.

Either way being fit and being match fit are different matters. If his tactical reasons were to start against West Ham and he has a stormer would you concede it was wise? You'll never give him credit.

I think you've misconstrued what I meant. I don't see why he can't replicate Hodgson's success with us. Not have his legacy or achieve what Roy did in his career - it's already too late for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
Wasn't Rosenberg's pedigree good?
Yes, and he's a good player. Deserved the chance to start the season alongside Anelka given their pre-season form. The man who made the strange decision there was Steve Clarke
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 29, 2014, 11:57:52 PM
Either way being fit and being match fit are different matters. If his tactical reasons were to start against West Ham and he has a stormer would you concede it was wise? You'll never give him credit.

I think you've misconstrued what I meant. I don't see why he can't replicate Hodgson's success with us. Not have his legacy or achieve what Roy did in his career - it's already too late for that.
The only way he can get match fit is by picking up minutes in games, which Irvine refuses to give him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on November 29, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
Was and still is, 15 goals in 28 games for Malmo this season suggests there is pedigree so questions should be asked what went wrong here and why he wasn't given a proper chance in the role he does best as he seems to get elsewhere.


I maintain our biggest problem is with the Downing / Keily clique thing. It has always struck me that these people are too close to the players, some of whom have too much of a say in what goes on (hence the Mel situation).

I don't like the head coach thing, we need  a manager and he needs to bring in his own staff that he knows and trusts.

Until Downing / Keily go and that clique amongst the players is dismantled we're always going to have a big problem.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2014, 11:58:25 PM
Either way being fit and being match fit are different matters. If his tactical reasons were to start against West Ham and he has a stormer would you concede it was wise? You'll never give him credit.

I think you've misconstrued what I meant. I don't see why he can't replicate Hodgson's success with us. Not have his legacy or achieve what Roy did in his career - it's already too late for that.

Behave, of course I'll give him credit, where it's due. If he comes out and says he's been holding Varela back for West Ham and then Varela is superb I'll say well done. Problem is everyone else will say why didn't you pick him the last 2 games. And none of us will know whether it's true.

Because Hodgson had a modicum of tactical nous. Something Irvine is devoid of. He has no experience of being a success either.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:00:44 AM
The only way he can get match fit is by picking up minutes in games, which Irvine refuses to give him!

If Irvine never gives him a chance citing tactical reasons then I'll criticise him for it. I think at this stage that is unfair. Christmas is a hectic period all the non-injured players will have their opportunity. I want them to take it and I 'm sure Irvine does too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 12:00:48 AM

I maintain our biggest problem is with the Downing / Keily clique thing. It has always struck me that these people are too close to the players, some of whom have too much of a say in what goes on (hence the Mel situation).

I don't like the head coach thing, we need  a manager and he needs to bring in his own staff that he knows and trusts.

Until Downing / Keily go and that clique amongst the players is dismantled we're always going to have a big problem.
Totally agree. What have Downing and Kiely done during their coaching careers to justify their seemingly unsackable status? When Downing was given the chance as head coach, he played Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker. Absolutely baffling and leaves you questioning the intellect of many of the so-called "respected" individuals in football. Kiely on the other hand can barely string a sentence together on Twitter, for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on November 30, 2014, 12:02:39 AM
Perhaps he had fit wingers at his disposal.

Why can't he be? Genuine question? By all accounts he is fantastic coach and an organiser like Roy.

There's no way Jeremy Peace isn't aware the majority of fans don't like Irvine he doesn't care.  So what does voicing this opinion achieve? Negative atmosphere. Players are more tentative. Attending games is less enjoyable.

I agree however majority opinion doesn't interest me. Most fans are not intelligent.
how arrogant of you to suggest that football fans are not intelligent, just because the one's you know aren't doesn't mean the rest of us are.by the way i have an iq of 161.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 12:05:42 AM
If Irvine never gives him a chance citing tactical reasons then I'll criticise him for it. I think at this stage that is unfair. Christmas is a hectic period all the non-injured players will have their opportunity. I want them to take it and I 'm sure Irvine does too.
He's been left out for tactical reasons for the last two weeks, Irvine admitted so himself.

Fair enough, but we've seen nothing to suggest Irvine wants to play these players any time soon.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:06:30 AM
Behave, of course I'll give him credit, where it's due. If he comes out and says he's been holding Varela back for West Ham and then Varela is superb I'll say well done. Problem is everyone else will say why didn't you pick him the last 2 games. And none of us will know whether it's true.

Because Hodgson had a modicum of tactical nous. Something Irvine is devoid of. He has no experience of being a success either.

Would a manager even admit that publicly because of what you have suggested? It's a lose lose situation.

Well we were incredibly fortunate to get someone with Hodgson's reputation, I don't think it'll happen again anytime soon. Terry Burton thinks Alan Irvine is up to it. Regardless of what his said he has done ok so far. Let's see when we are after 19 games. We could be pleasantly surprised if not he may well be gone.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 12:08:57 AM
Would a manager even admit that publicly because of what you have suggested? It's a lose lose situation.

Well we were incredibly fortunate to get someone with Hodgson's reputation,I don't think it'll happen again anything soon. Terry Burton thinks Alan Irvine is up to it. Regardless of what his said he has done ok so far. Let's see when we are after 19 games. We could be pleasantly surprised if not he may well be gone. Can't lose.

We can lose because after 19 games it's too late.

Also Terry Burton is new to the role he is in. His blessing is hardly a ringing endorsement. We need to dismantle this DoF approach. The restrictions were relaxed hugely with Hodgson unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
I'm retiring for the night. I've enjoyed the debate even if I'm somewhat bewildered by the degree to which some members have defended Irvine, considering the dire football paired with a points per game average that will see us relegated or on the boundary of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
He's been left out for tactical reasons for the last two weeks, Irvine admitted so himself.

Fair enough, but we've seen nothing to suggest Irvine wants to play these players any time soon.



Well if a knackered Dorrans is started ahead of him against West Ham after just a few days rest and Varela is fully fit I will criticise that decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:17:10 AM
We can lose because after 19 games it's too late.

Also Terry Burton is new to the role he is in. His blessing is hardly a ringing endorsement. We need to dismantle this DoF approach. The restrictions were relaxed hugely with Hodgson unsurprisingly.

Roy took over in February so how is 19 games too late? Whoever took over would surely not be far of a point a game either seeing as we have 13 now.

So if he wasn't in the role he'd say Irvine isn't up to it? He is vastly experienced and thinks he is an excellent coach end of. Well that's not going to happen is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 12:20:20 AM
Roy took over in February so how is 19 games too late? Whoever took over would surely not be far of a point a game either seeing as we have 13 now.

So if he wasn't in the role he'd say Irvine isn't up to it? He is vastly experienced and thinks he is an excellent coach end of. Well that's not going to happen is it?

I think it may, if the rest of this week goes badly that'll be the 3rd "head coach" he's had to sack in 12 months. I think he'll bring in Pulis on a 3 or 4 year contract and get rid of Kiely Downing and Burton  and start a new era at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:23:38 AM
I think it may, if the rest of this week goes badly that'll be the 3rd "head coach" he's had to sack in 12 months. I think he'll bring in Pulis on a 3 or 4 year contract and get rid of Kiely Downing and Burton  and start a new era at the club.

I would not bet on it mate.

Let's hope this thread goes quiet Tuesday evening as it means we'll have won.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sted1990 on November 30, 2014, 12:25:01 AM
I have never once called for a manger to go but for the first time I think it's best for all parties that Irvine goes, I have no doubt he's a "great" coach but West Bromwich Albion need some one new, a man with passion a man with the personality to galvanise every single fan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 12:26:18 AM
I have never once called for a manger to go but for the first time I think it's best for all parties that Irvine goes, I have no doubt he's a "great" coach but West Bromwich Albion need some one new, a man with passion a man with the personality to galvanise every single fan

Dejavu step forward Pepe  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 30, 2014, 12:28:46 AM
Dejavu step forward Pepe  ;D

Bloody hope not!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 30, 2014, 12:36:44 AM
I honestly believe he doesn't think there is anything wrong.

Madely and a couple of sycophants came across as very smug pre kick-off in a discussion on twitter about the new signings, the point being Irvine has as good as said they're not good enough.

Spot on, he really thinks his tactics & substitutions are right  Its all down to BAD LUCK.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 30, 2014, 01:05:20 AM
Lose vs West Ham and he's gone.

Trust me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on November 30, 2014, 01:42:19 AM
Lose vs West Ham and he's gone.

Trust me.

Hope so, I'm off to the States next week and won't the back before Christmas so heres looking to an early Christmas present
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on November 30, 2014, 06:17:53 AM
As soon as i saw Irvine in consultation with Downing i switched my stream off and took the dogs for a walk...this isnt going to get any better. He is not the right man for this job and we have carried the backroom baggage for far too long. I used to enjoyed saturdays when at least the team win lose or draw looked like they had an idea or two. Now i find myself becoming bitter and twisted and for  the first time in 45 years not wanting to watch my team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
As soon as i saw Irvine in consultation with Downing i switched my stream off and took the dogs for a walk...this isnt going to get any better. He is not the right man for this job and we have carried the backroom baggage for far too long. I used to enjoyed saturdays when at least the team win lose or draw looked like they had an idea or two. Now i find myself becoming bitter and twisted and for  the first time in 45 years not wanting to watch my team.


I understand you completely. "Consulting with Downing" - what the hell does Downing know? He was a lower league footballer and has achieved what as a coach that surpasses that achievement? Perhaps like Irvine he has all the badges and has completed all the courses. Well, guess what, football isn't played on paper and certificates don't get you points - they mean naughty word all at the end of the day.

They are competing against huge clubs, world class managers and coaches and world class players. They are totally out of their depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 30, 2014, 06:56:42 AM
I think Mel was put in an untenable position, at the time people were saying "right man wrong time". I find it really weird to be honest how the squad would seem to have been chosen with Mel in mind but with Irvine to manage. This might be the result of the disjointed system we are working  under.
My thoughts exactly, Mel just may have done something with these players, and by the way Theivy would have been a far better option than Samaras.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 30, 2014, 07:33:35 AM
When they play they show nothing, in training they show nothing, they aren't as fit. Why would you pick them over the regulars?
It's curious how you accuse others of conjecture and then come out with stuff like this. As for them not being fit, he's not giving them gamer time to get them fit.

Constantly not giving players any game time and then stating they'll be needed during December is very poor management. If Irvine does suddenly start picking these players, and he's implied he'll do things before and then not done them, it'll be very difficult for them to go into games cold.

Although it is conjecture, one reason why Irvine doesn't select them could be that, if they did do well, he would be under pressure to keep them in the side and that would ruin his overall defensive "masterplan".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 30, 2014, 07:39:37 AM
The worrying signs that I saw regularly at Hillsborough are appearing to the fore here.
Indeed, if you look back to the time he was appointed, something that shone clear from the comments of fans from other clubs he's managed was his obsession with praising the opposition before we play them and he's doing exactly the same thing now.

I like Irvine - he is a studious head coach, a good man and someone you can trust.
I don't feel I can trust him at all. He has an endless list of excuses, implies he's going to do things and then doesn't do them (e.g. increase the involvement of Varela) and suggests that he spends ages picking the side for every game, when all he actually does is pretty much pick the same side every week unless he's forced to change it due to injury or suspension. He also described exactly the way we should have played against Chelsea, for example, and then didn't send the team out to do that at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 30, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
Mowbray has an appalling record as a manager since leaving us. I liked him and the football his results overall were poor.
Delivering our first league title since 1920, an FA Cup semi-final and a play-off final are poor?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 30, 2014, 07:51:05 AM
Was and still is, 15 goals in 28 games for Malmo this season suggests there is pedigree so questions should be asked what went wrong here and why he wasn't given a proper chance in the role he does best as he seems to get elsewhere.

You must have heard me say this yesterday.

We have to look deep into our set up to find out why these players cant perform once here...........they all cant be bad.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 30, 2014, 08:03:55 AM
You must have heard me say this yesterday.

We have to look deep into our set up to find out why these players cant perform once here...........they all cant be bad.

Yeah but did find Mulumbu so all's ok.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 08:10:45 AM

I maintain our biggest problem is with the Downing / Keily clique thing. It has always struck me that these people are too close to the players, some of whom have too much of a say in what goes on (hence the Mel situation).

I don't like the head coach thing, we need  a manager and he needs to bring in his own staff that he knows and trusts.

Until Downing / Keily go and that clique amongst the players is dismantled we're always going to have a big problem.
Will that be the Kiely/Downing/Olsson/Reid/possibly Morrison clique?  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 08:42:32 AM
I'd also add that their pedigree is very good, in terms of Ideye's goalscoring record, Blanco and Varela's caps for Argentina and Portugal, and Gamboa's performances for Costa Rica.

Hard to see how they couldn't improve on the current clique really
Bit of a different twist, I imagine most supporters needed to Google our signings at the time not having heard of them.
Ideye Brown has been dropped from a Nigeria side that failed to qualify for the Africa Nations Cup (and maybe this was why?)
Blanco got two caps when Maradonna was giving them away against Haiti and Panama in 2009 and 2010 and not featured since.
Gamboa is featuring in pretty much every squad and getting game time.
Varela has been injured and whilst maybe now be physically fit needs to break into the team. Having already played him when not fully fit suggests he will feature in time.

I am not saying these players are no good,  I hope they have fantastic Albion careers but trying to add a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on November 30, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
I dont want Irvine sacked because sacking a manager every few months achieves nothing, sometimes sticking with somebody can work out (West Ham and Newcastle spring to mind)

However i think he does need to have a look at things, he came with a reputation for his teams been quite conservative but until the Bournemouth game i felt we were going in the right direction, not every game but most we we had a go, played football, created chances and okay we wasnt some outstanding attacking team but we havent been for years and we wasnt going to change overnight especially with the personnel.

Unfortunately over the last few weeks we seem to have gone backwards, we are too cautious and negative in our approach and thats usually a managers way of acknowledging they are under pressure, ie - dont get beat (Clarke did the same in his later days)

 As somebody earlier was saying, whether we agree or not with the selections, Irvine works with them every day, he hands out who does what, etc and if he doesnt feel the players can do it, he wont pick them. I think Gamboa is a prime example of that, us as fans like him because he has pace and gets forward, its great for us to watch, but as a right back in a 4-4-2 your first job is surely to defend and he cannot defend, he is constantly out of position and will cost us goals, maybe in another formation we would see the best of him.

I think what could work in Irvines favour is that he can rightly drop a few of our players now and they cant really argue as we are playing poor and losing, its upto Irvine now, hopefully he can get back to been positive again.

That said his fate was sealed with some fans the day he was appointed and aside from us winning 5-0 every game which was never going to happen, he hasnt got a chance with some. If his name was Alain Irvinuez, he was foreign and he had had limited success at say Elche and Tenerife (clubs like Preston and Sheff Weds) then he would of got a lot better chance, we laughed at Villa for how they treated Mcleish yet we have done exactly the same with Irvine, we had been on a decent run of form until Newcastle and even before that game there was calls for him to go! When we have been rubbish its fair game to have a pop at him and the team, i will say it now, last 3 games i have been bored stupid.

However when we were doing okay it was deemed lucky, opposition were rubbish, played teams at the right time, etc even games when we have been entertaining (and there have been some) people wont acknowledge it and i think that negativity has been there from day one and sadly wont go til Irvine does, god help the next bloke who gets the job because judging by some fans, if we dont win the first few games under them easily with amazing football he will need to be sacked.

Got to say, I have some sympathy with this argument.
I was dissapointed with our performance against Newcastle, but I would have taken a point against Chelsea & Arsenal, & probably a defensive approach was about right. Man Utd did it the week before at the Emirates & won.
I think Tuesday will be interesting, I'm expecting AI to make some changes, & to see Ideye & Verela have a run out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 30, 2014, 08:50:47 AM
I could understand a defensive against the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea however the game against Manchester United we went aggressive at them and it worked so why change it.

United may have been mid table at the time but they are still Champions League material.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 08:52:06 AM
Totally agree. What have Downing and Kiely done during their coaching careers to justify their seemingly unsackable status? When Downing was given the chance as head coach, he played Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker. Absolutely baffling and leaves you questioning the intellect of many of the so-called "respected" individuals in football. Kiely on the other hand can barely string a sentence together on Twitter, for what that's worth.
Have they been coaches at a Premier League side that has maintained their status for the last few years?
Harry Redknapp has stated in court that he struggles to read and write yet the press wanted him as last England manager (I didn't ;))
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2014, 08:55:23 AM
Have they been coaches at a Premier League side that has maintained their status for the last few years?
Harry Redknapp has stated in court that he struggles to read and write yet the press wanted him as last England manager (I didn't ;))


Ok. So are you giving them the credit for that?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 09:02:06 AM

Ok. So are you giving them the credit for that?
Do you not think they will put that on their CV and pretty much walk into any any interview for a coaching job from the Championship downwards should they lose their jobs here?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on November 30, 2014, 09:09:25 AM
One change I really want to see Irvine make is Gamboa in for Wisdom. Yes, we've seen Gamboa get caught once or twice but Wisdom gets done all the time.

It's when Andre goes forward that I get really frustrated, he just can't do it, attacks slow down, he turns back on himself and just looks completely lost.

Gamboa offers us a new dimension going forward and Irvine said about how his changes almost brought a goal, well Alan, one of those chances was when Gamboa got forward with pace, went past players and delivered a cross that Wisdom would not have been capable of getting past the first man.

I wanted to see Irvine succeed I really did, he seems nice and I don't like to see nice people fail. BUT, the way we're playing is unacceptable.

People say that Varela, Blanco are untried and are trusting the judgement of Irvine saying they aren't good enough. This is the same man who insists on picking players who are underperforming. The same man who takes off Sessegnon all the time, times when we usually need a goal.

I said this week would make or break his WBA career and now he needs a minimum of 3 points to keep jez happy and good performances and brave decisions to keep us happy.

I'd rather he turned it around than was sacked but I just can't see it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
Do you not think they will put that on their CV and pretty much walk into any any interview for a coaching job from the Championship downwards should they lose their jobs here?


They can put whatever they like on their CV's. CV's are just like coaching badges they don't mean you are good enough for a particular job. They are words on a piece of paper. Never have they held any responsibility. It always lies with the head coach - the successes and the failings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on November 30, 2014, 09:16:14 AM
To be fair football is the only profession where you can fail multiple times and still get a top job. Coaches the same. They will all have some success in their careers but the poorer parts always get glossed over.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on November 30, 2014, 09:28:28 AM
Irvine is, unfortunately, as most of us feared when we heard of his shocking appointment, quickly showing how out of his depth he is at this level.
Yesterday was the latest dross we had to sit through and endure..............whilst it was 0-0 you could say the end might have justified the means if we took a decent point.

HOWEVER, we know as we watched that Arsenal would eventually score and then what ?  Basically game over and so it proved!

Like the Newcastle game, I mainly sat there without getting animated/excited/vocal like I usually do - bored and inevitable was more the thoughts for most of the game.

Plus points were the defence did pretty well against Arsenal's class attack with Lescott superb. 

The weakness of the Gunners is there slow and vulnerable defence yet as we never got any numbers forward and only Sess could beat a player we made it so easy for them (not helped by star-struck Foy granted).

The West Ham game now becomes massive as the crowd are in no mood for another non-event against a team we should be beating at home.

And , yes, I'll be there still !!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 09:31:52 AM

They can put whatever they like on their CV's. CV's are just like coaching badges they don't mean you are good enough for a particular job. They are words on a piece of paper. Never have they held any responsibility. It always lies with the head coach - the successes and the failings.
Not wishing to sound like an echo but do you not think that they will put that on their cv and pretty much walk into any interview for a coaching job from the Championship downwards?
Is it not a success to be a coach that keeps West Brom in the Premier league?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on November 30, 2014, 09:43:24 AM
next 4 games are crucial take 10 points out of 12 back on track for what virtually amounts to second half of season, fail and JP you better act by clearing the whole of the coaching staff out and give a new guy a chance for the second half of the season , if not you are going to lose the best part of 60m and we will be playing championship football next season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 09:45:58 AM
Irvine is, unfortunately, as most of us feared when we heard of his shocking appointment, quickly showing how out of his depth he is at this level.
Yesterday was the latest dross we had to sit through and endure..............whilst it was 0-0 you could say the end might have justified the means if we took a decent point.

HOWEVER, we know as we watched that Arsenal would eventually score and then what ?  Basically game over and so it proved!

Like the Newcastle game, I mainly sat there without getting animated/excited/vocal like I usually do - bored and inevitable was more the thoughts for most of the game.

Plus points were the defence did pretty well against Arsenal's class attack with Lescott superb. 

The weakness of the Gunners is there slow and vulnerable defence yet as we never got any numbers forward and only Sess could beat a player we made it so easy for them (not helped by star-struck Foy granted).

The West Ham game now becomes massive as the crowd are in no mood for another non-event against a team we should be beating at home.

And , yes, I'll be there still !!!!!
If by keeping in the game against a top 6, Champions league side and having been denied the best opportunity to open the scoring by an incorrect decision by an official is how you quantify out of his depth, I agree he is out of his depth. I disagree that it was game over when we conceded as (apart from the offside decision) our best chances fell after their goal and apart from a counter attacking goal aside we had more opportunity to score.
The substitution of Sess for Samaras was also well made because Sess was ineffective at that point in the game (arguably so were others) and Samaras provided an extra dimension and only gave the ball once which he then got back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 30, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
I don't like sacking managers / HC 's but at the same time i can't see any progress , you have to ask yourself can you see it getting any better under Irvine ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on November 30, 2014, 09:57:41 AM
I don't like sacking managers / HC 's but at the same time i can't see any progress , you have to ask yourself can you see it getting any better under Irvine ?

Not a chance, Irvine is a dinosaur.

Unfortunately, just like his use of substitutes, his sacking will only happen when it is to late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on November 30, 2014, 10:01:11 AM
If by keeping in the game against a top 6, Champions league side and having been denied the best opportunity to open the scoring by an incorrect decision by an official is how you quantify out of his depth, I agree he is out of his depth. I disagree that it was game over when we conceded as (apart from the offside decision) our best chances fell after their goal and apart from a counter attacking goal aside we had more opportunity to score.
The substitution of Sess for Samaras was also well made because Sess was ineffective at that point in the game (arguably so were others) and Samaras provided an extra dimension and only gave the ball once which he then got back.


But once they had scored we are again chasing a game and hoping to get lucky a nick a point.
We not show more positivity from the off and try a get in front ?
Samaras did ok and people were not booing him it was the fact that an quick offensive player was being taken off when the likes of Brunt, Dorrans or Gardner were kept on as usual despite contributing next to nothing attacking wise.....these three seem untouchable under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2014, 10:39:03 AM

But once they had scored we are again chasing a game and hoping to get lucky a nick a point.
We not show more positivity from the off and try a get in front ?
Samaras did ok and people were not booing him it was the fact that an quick offensive player was being taken off when the likes of Brunt, Dorrans or Gardner were kept on as usual despite contributing next to nothing attacking wise.....these three seem untouchable under Irvine.
Watch the game again.  We started off positively in the first half, but let Arsenal become comfortable without creating lots of significant chances.  We came out second half positively and should have had an opportunity to open the scoring with an excellent through ball from Gardener.  We conceded and then caused them the most trouble they had been in (after taking Sess off).
I wouldn't have taken off Sess, I would have taken off Dorrans but that is where people have different  opinions. The change of Sess for Samaras almost worked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mig on November 30, 2014, 10:54:24 AM
There is a big difference between playing defensively and playing for a 0-0, and Irvine has gone for a 0-0 the last two games. We aren't set up to counter with anyone but Sess and Berahino - nobody else even tries to get in support of them quickly. He must know that we can't score a goal with just two players, so I think his plan is that maybe they'll win a corner/naughty word and then we can put bodies in the box. It is ludicrous to think that , given our respective form, we could go to Chelsea and stop them scoring. But all he did was load the starting XI with defensive players and suddenly we are a goal down and have no threat of a counter. Why would you not start Anichebe who can at least (when putting a shift in) provide an out ball and give some respite as well as point to build attacks from.

It was the same story yesterday - even more criminal given Arsenal's defensive frailties and injuries. And then when we are losing his plan is to throw on loads of strikers but it's not clear how we intend to get the ball to them other than lumping it forward. Honestly it is so basic and thoughtless.

There is so much pressure on the next month or so now to get results. He needs to start having a go at teams, especially those we can realistically beat (eg Newcastle, which was embarrassing). It's a shame because I think on the whole we have a good enough squad to compete at mid-table but Irvine is restricting it's ability and if we go down we will lose these players without ever having let them play the best way they can.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on November 30, 2014, 10:57:53 AM
I said above i dont want Irvine sacked (yet!) but i think he needs to look at things.

When he was appointed, based on what i had heard about him i was expecting us to be a conservative boring team but with the odd exception the first 10 x games we wasnt like that.

We played good football, attacked, we were positive, now we wasnt gungho dont get me wrong but the signs were good. However the last 3 x games we have gone backwards, we are negative, we had a lot of the ball without ever looking like scoring and there wasnt that ambition we had previously shown.

Why we have gone like that i dont know, the players seem to lack confidence so now would be the ideal time to change them, Irvine seems to have gone cautious which i dont understand as what he was doing before was working okay.

I never think its good to keep changing managers, the fact is we have lost 3 on the bounce, not 8 or 10, and i think any manager can consider themselves unlucky if they get sacked after 3 x losses. Apparently Clarke said on BT he was sacked after 4 losses, i like Clarke and think he did a good job, but could also understand why he was sacked as it wasnt based on 4 x losses, i think we had won. 4 x games in a year. To be fair to Irvine you cant judge him on 13 x games.

Its down to him now, his job wont be decided on results against Chelsea and Arsenal but its the manner of the defeats thats the concern, he should think we got results when we had a go so lets go back to that, the next few games are all winnable and if we come out of those with 6 points, having a go then i think he has done well.

I dont think 3 x games is a fair time to get rid but there also has to be a point where you say okay this isnt working, personally i would like him to be given time to build something (as i would with all managers) but i know that modern day football isnt like that and really i think JP would assess things after Xmas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 30, 2014, 11:02:57 AM
Watch the game again.  We started off positively in the first half, but let Arsenal become comfortable without creating lots of significant chances.  We came out second half positively and should have had an opportunity to open the scoring with an excellent through ball from Gardener.  We conceded and then caused them the most trouble they had been in (after taking Sess off).
I wouldn't have taken off Sess, I would have taken off Dorrans but that is where people have different  opinions. The change of Sess for Samaras almost worked.
Respect your view mate but no way was that positive first half against a unsure Arsenal defence and a rookie keeper , Saido barely touched the ball and we didn't threaten either. As usual under Irvine we only had a go when we went behind but that turned to lofted balls into the box . Creating one chance per half and hoping for a lucky bounce or moment of brilliance isn't enough at this level . It's bad enough being bored at home watching this but even more going to the games , i really feel for the likes of OldburyWBA and the Jacko2000 going to every game at the moment and being bored rigid when we have a squad to do better , much better. To be honest I'm questioning why I'm going to Hull next week , it will be freezing , we won't attack until it's too late and will most likely lose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 30, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
I am suffering from a bored numness at the moment, i can't even get mad.
We are so predictable its frightening and the worst thing is it could be so different.
I sat there yesterday looking at the best back four we have had in years and the best goalkeeper , in my opinion, we have ever had.
With a platform like that we should be playing with more adventure.
I remember reading articles from Preston and Wenesday fans when he was appointed, how very acurate they were.
You carry on defending him mate i hope you have the last laugh i really do, but i have my doubts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 11:21:42 AM
There is a big difference between playing defensively and playing for a 0-0, and Irvine has gone for a 0-0 the last two games. We aren't set up to counter with anyone but Sess and Berahino - nobody else even tries to get in support of them quickly. He must know that we can't score a goal with just two players, so I think his plan is that maybe they'll win a corner/naughty word and then we can put bodies in the box. It is ludicrous to think that , given our respective form, we could go to Chelsea and stop them scoring. But all he did was load the starting XI with defensive players and suddenly we are a goal down and have no threat of a counter. Why would you not start Anichebe who can at least (when putting a shift in) provide an out ball and give some respite as well as point to build attacks from.

It was the same story yesterday - even more criminal given Arsenal's defensive frailties and injuries. And then when we are losing his plan is to throw on loads of strikers but it's not clear how we intend to get the ball to them other than lumping it forward. Honestly it is so basic and thoughtless.

There is so much pressure on the next month or so now to get results. He needs to start having a go at teams, especially those we can realistically beat (eg Newcastle, which was embarrassing). It's a shame because I think on the whole we have a good enough squad to compete at mid-table but Irvine is restricting it's ability and if we go down we will lose these players without ever having let them play the best way they can.
Great post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 11:37:15 AM
It's curious how you accuse others of conjecture and then come out with stuff like this. As for them not being fit, he's not giving them gamer time to get them fit.

Constantly not giving players any game time and then stating they'll be needed during December is very poor management. If Irvine does suddenly start picking these players, and he's implied he'll do things before and then not done them, it'll be very difficult for them to go into games cold.

Although it is conjecture, one reason why Irvine doesn't select them could be that, if they did do well, he would be under pressure to keep them in the side and that would ruin his overall defensive "masterplan".

The manager has mentioned it on occasions that certain players haven't made it hard enough decision for him like Yacob for example. Also I wasn't stating this as fact at all I'm giving a valid reason why they may not be being picked. Admittedly I could have articulated it better but I'm not saying that they aren't training as well - there's simply no way of us knowing that.

If they are better players than the one's being picked and they are as fit I believe he'd pick them. Let's not forget he dropped two of our biggest names. Olsson and G-Mac.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 11:40:06 AM
Delivering our first league title since 1920, an FA Cup semi-final and a play-off final are poor?

We won the league with the lowest points total ever I believe in the Championship with an expensively assembled squad for that level. We played no-one worth noting in that FA cup run. He has demonstrated he is not a good manager or else he'd be managing at a decent level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on November 30, 2014, 11:43:46 AM
Not a chance, Irvine is a dinosaur.

Unfortunately, just like his use of substitutes, his sacking will only happen when it is to late.

Is Roy our manager again. Remember the exact same being said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion07 on November 30, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
To be honest i'm incredibly disappointed how this has all turned out, Irvine spoke really well pre season and I fully backed him but we are so static, defensive, boring and slow under him I just can't say he deserves more time.

The thing is do you trust Peace and the board to get the decision right? While I guess we've improved our PR somewhat I have no faith we'd employ a suitable manager. Even if we do there are clearly problems with our scouting network and player recruitment. Baird/Samaras/Ideye/Davidson/Varela are either not good enough or chronically unfit 3 1/2 months into the season! So even if we do appoint a new head coach I'd still feel pessimistic as there are clearly inherent problems behind the scenes.

I think our players are just about good enough to finish 17th and I do think we will stay up, but really what's the point when the football is so utterly dire?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 30, 2014, 11:50:57 AM
Is Roy our manager again. Remember the exact same being said.

The football is similar too which is why I don't get the "worst football in years" argument.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 30, 2014, 11:57:58 AM
Even if we do there are clearly problems with our scouting network and player recruitment. Baird/Samaras/Ideye/Davidson/Varela are either not good enough or chronically unfit 3 1/2 months into the season!
There's another option with the more attacking players (including Blanco), which is that the head coach is too defensively-minded (or scared - take your pick) to find it in him to play them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 30, 2014, 12:21:06 PM
Difficult to see the bloke changing.He hasnt changed in 5years out of the hot seat he has just reverted to type and that it was what made his appointment such a poor decision as this was always likely to happen. Sorry JP you have to swalow pride and pull the trigger!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubba on November 30, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
Boring negative dull football which will end in relegation,the inability to change formation or personal & the lack of options from the bench I.e wide players, mean only one thing IRVINE OUT!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on November 30, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
i,m afraid were stuck with him until at least January. we all know Jeremy doesn't like spending in January, well he doesn't like spending at all so he wont be appointing anyone else until the transfer window as closed as any new manager/head coach would want backing with some funds. you then look at about 6 weeks to appoint someone new and add the fact our scouting department as failed miserably the last 2 years things look bleak. people are crying out for ideye and blanco to start but for me they look really poor players. however varela as real pedigree and must surely be worth a place on the bench now. I feel sorry for Irvine sometimes when you look at our poor squad but he is making a rod for his own back with some decisions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: labaggies on November 30, 2014, 01:48:48 PM

How can we trust the board, surely it is JP and his cronies who picked Irvine, Mel, Clarke, etc.
It's time that Peace realises he is the main person for the dross we are watching at the Hawthorns, and sold up....
Football professionals won't work the Peace way, why after 5 weeks, were we left  with the option of Irvine or Sherwood....
It can't always be the managers fault, Irvine never had the ability to be the head coach of a premiership team...
Why oh why was he ever given the job....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggybazza on November 30, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
I,m sorry to say reading this thread is like I have just turned on my PC for the 1st time in 2 years ! Has anything changed at this club in the last 24 months ?.
yes managers have come and gone  and none of them had the pedigree to run a premier league club (except Hodgson).
We all keep blaming the manager  ,But what about the backroom staff have they no say in what tactics we play and how we shape up?.
I,m sorry but why oh why are Downing and kieley still at the club? We have been going down the slippery slope for 4-5 years now.
By now we should be an established premier club who have moved forward and improved  the playing staff as we go so why do we still have  Brunt, Morrison , Mulumbu, Dorrans  ect ect still playing in the team when all have them have  been here for a number of years now and not shown any improvement in there play over the last 2 years?.
Also if the plan is year on year improvement surely that MUST include the backroom club because they have not improved in fact they have got worse!.
And lets be honest what decent manager would except a job with the first thing you have to except is " the backroom staff are here to stay you cant bring your own in"
Do you think any decent manager would work at a club under those circumstances
Pepe Mel out of work took the job
Steve Clarke 1st managers job
so on and so on
Come on Mr Peace its time you made a decision on the future of this club and invested in a proper manager who will install the winning attitude into the team instead of this crass boring rubbish I,m watching now......a manager with confidence in his own ability!.
PS shocking state !
1996 arsen wenger appointed  manager 1 Manager in 18 years
the baggies  27 YES 27 managers in the same time !
 Please please invest in a top manager were supposed to be a top club in the top league in the world try were not little  or  QPR, we are WEST BROMWICH ALBION a club steeped in history try showing some pride in your work and that means all staff from boardroom to playing field!
You need to do something soon Mr Peace  before this club dies because what we are watching right now is some of the most boring football I have ever seen at the club and the price people have to pay to watch it your going to start to lose  fans  which at the end of the day are the life and sole of any club.
Its time to be BRAVE ........I,ll come back in another 2 years to see if anythings changed!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on November 30, 2014, 02:36:18 PM
Sorry to appear pedantic, but it's actually 21 Albion managers since Wenger was appointed, and I believe that's including care taker appointments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboy74 on November 30, 2014, 02:55:56 PM
Everyday this bloke stays, I become more and more disintrested.

Much rather be training and watching our U8's.

More passion and better football than the rubbish we have to pay to watch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on November 30, 2014, 04:14:32 PM
Peace has to take a large portion of the blame with the goings on up at the hawthorns. We must be the laughing stock of football at the minute a club that changes head coaches every other day but keeps the back room staff appointed by peace. Unable to control our prize asset who will leave the club if they keep on dithering over contract, he's young and foolish but he should be supported by administration. Chose the cheap option when picking coach and look where he's leading us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 30, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
I,m sorry to say reading this thread is like I have just turned on my PC for the 1st time in 2 years ! Has anything changed at this club in the last 24 months ?.
yes managers have come and gone  and none of them had the pedigree to run a premier league club (except Hodgson).
We all keep blaming the manager  ,But what about the backroom staff have they no say in what tactics we play and how we shape up?.
I,m sorry but why oh why are Downing and kieley still at the club? We have been going down the slippery slope for 4-5 years now.
By now we should be an established premier club who have moved forward and improved  the playing staff as we go so why do we still have  Brunt, Morrison , Mulumbu, Dorrans  ect ect still playing in the team when all have them have  been here for a number of years now and not shown any improvement in there play over the last 2 years?.
Also if the plan is year on year improvement surely that MUST include the backroom club because they have not improved in fact they have got worse!.
And lets be honest what decent manager would except a job with the first thing you have to except is " the backroom staff are here to stay you cant bring your own in"
Do you think any decent manager would work at a club under those circumstances
Pepe Mel out of work took the job
Steve Clarke 1st managers job
so on and so on
Come on Mr Peace its time you made a decision on the future of this club and invested in a proper manager who will install the winning attitude into the team instead of this crass boring rubbish I,m watching now......a manager with confidence in his own ability!.
PS shocking state !
1996 arsen wenger appointed  manager 1 Manager in 18 years
the baggies  27 YES 27 managers in the same time !
 Please please invest in a top manager were supposed to be a top club in the top league in the world try were not little  or  QPR, we are WEST BROMWICH ALBION a club steeped in history try showing some pride in your work and that means all staff from boardroom to playing field!
You need to do something soon Mr Peace  before this club dies because what we are watching right now is some of the most boring football I have ever seen at the club and the price people have to pay to watch it your going to start to lose  fans  which at the end of the day are the life and sole of any club.
Its time to be BRAVE ........I,ll come back in another 2 years to see if anythings changed!

Great post baggy bazza are you going to email this to JP. We need to all email Peace to get him to act and get this negative joker out of our club.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on November 30, 2014, 04:42:49 PM
if i knew his e mail address i would!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on November 30, 2014, 04:48:35 PM
JRPeace@ionlyemploycheapidiots.co.uk
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2014, 05:04:53 PM
Alan Irvine is really a nice bloke, I met him a few weeks ago. That's has far as it goes though. The bloke is not a leader of men. If he is supposed to be a great coach why didn't he get the Everton job at any stage. Moyes would have surely put in a good word. What's he done in football apart from fail. He needs to go now. The players we have are better than their performances suggest . With the right manager with a football philosophy of winning we have so much to look forward to. Act now peace before it's too late. You carry on with him you loose the supporters and your potential sale. God help us if he takes us down and we continue with him. The villa will be my last home game until this footballing dross of a nightmare is over
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on November 30, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
Peace has to take a large portion of the blame with the goings on up at the hawthorns. We must be the laughing stock of football at the minute a club that changes head coaches every other day but keeps the back room staff appointed by peace. Unable to control our prize asset who will leave the club if they keep on dithering over contract, he's young and foolish but he should be supported by administration. Chose the cheap option when picking coach and look where he's leading us

Peace sits at the top and is responsible for all things Albion. he employs the men below him and no major decision will be taken without his support.
He should take the blame for the mess of the last two years just as he took so much credit for the decent couple of years prior to that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on November 30, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
if i knew his e mail address i would!!

You have to email
enquiries@wbafc.co.uk 

This is the general email address but the email definitely gets forwarded on to JP as I have received letters directly from him in the past   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on November 30, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
Those comparing him to Hodgson, and saying they're similar are right in some ways.

Both set up to be more organised, defensively solid.

Difference being that RH managed it successfully - with a weaker squad imo. I mean, Jerome Thomas was our main attacking threat down the wing. Now we have a Portuguese national winger who can't get a bloody look in.

The football under RH wasn't exciting, but it delivered decent results, and RH had a rapport with the fans. AI lacks both of these things and needs to be removed.

From my few contacts at the club, it seem's the club's management are becoming restless which is why if we lose vs West Ham, I belive he'll be gone before the Hull game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
Those comparing him to Hodgson, and saying they're similar are right in some ways.

Both set up to be more organised, defensively solid.

Difference being that RH managed it successfully - with a weaker squad imo. I mean, Jerome Thomas was our main attacking threat down the wing. Now we have a Portuguese national winger who can't get a bloody look in.

The football under RH wasn't exciting, but it delivered decent results, and RH had a rapport with the fans. AI lacks both of these things and needs to be removed.

From my few contacts at the club, it seem's the club's management are becoming restless which is why if we lose vs West Ham, I belive he'll be gone before the Hull game.

Furthermore Hodgson has a CV behind him of success at other clubs - Alan Irvine comes to Albion having had no success whatsoever.

We used the counter attack a lot under Roy and it was effective. We broke at speed and punished sides. Irvine has us organised like Roy however the major difference is that Hodgson's side always had a potency about them whereas this current Albion side doesn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 30, 2014, 07:11:15 PM
Gone by Hull and another six weeks for a replacment.

This is going to drag on for a while I feel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
Gone by Hull and another six weeks for a replacment.

This is going to drag on for a while I feel.
I fear we can't afford six weeks when you take into account our end to the season. Especially when you take into account that Downing and Kiely will presumably take charge of the interim matches.

My only hope is that they're already thinking about potential replacements, and are willing to be more flexible in terms of backroom staff and paying compensation, which would speed the whole thing up. Not to mention foregoing "due diligence" where that includes interviewing the likes of Dave Jones...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:16:08 PM
Gone by Hull and another six weeks for a replacment.

This is going to drag on for a while I feel.

Six weeks to end up with another number two to come and work alongside the likes of Downing and Kiely..

I don't see the club going foreign again after the Pepe experiment so I would imagine we will narrow our search to Britain. The list of out of work managers is hardly inspiring and the one which will appeal most to supporters (supporters who derided him for so long) will not touch us with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KH Baggies on November 30, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
Watched my sons u16 game this morning and it was 100 times more exciting than yesterday!!
Realised that football wasn't just meant to be played sideways.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Six weeks to end up with another number two to come and work alongside the likes of Downing and Kiely..

I don't see the club going foreign again after the Pepe experiment so I would imagine we will narrow our search to Britain. The list of out of work managers is hardly inspiring and the one which will appeal most to supporters (supporters who derided him for so long) will not touch us with a barge pole.
That's the worry. There are very few appropriate domestic coaches, so I think realistically we'd have to look abroad, which Peace won't. Which is a shame, because if we brought in an English-speaker with the appropriate experience I think it could work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 30, 2014, 07:22:48 PM
I fear we can't afford six weeks when you take into account our end to the season. Especially when you take into account that Downing and Kiely will presumably take charge of the interim matches.

My only hope is that they're already thinking about potential replacements, and are willing to be more flexible in terms of backroom staff and paying compensation, which would speed the whole thing up. Not to mention foregoing "due diligence" where that includes interviewing the likes of Dave Jones...

I think Dave Jones would tip me over the edge, but I could see it happening which is the worrying thing.

This is exactly why i'm cautious of getting rid of Irvine, yes he's negative and yes the football is boring but he's doing what is asked so far and that is keeping us out of relegation zone.

The alternative options of Dave Jones or a dream team of Downing and Kiely fill me with dread.

The only positive I can see in apppointing Downing and Kiely is that means they'll be out of the club quicker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:24:05 PM
I think Dave Jones would tip me over the edge, but I could see it happening which is the worrying thing.

This is exactly why i'm cautious of getting rid of Irvine, yes he's negative and yes the football is boring but he's doing what is asked so far and that is keeping us out of relegation zone.

The alternative options of Dave Jones or a dream team of Downing and Kiely fill me with dread.

The only positive I can see in apppointing Downing and Kiely is that means they'll be out of the club quicker.
Yes I've been thinking that for a while. Knowing our luck, Peace would reinstate them to the coaching staff after they got us relegated!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:26:34 PM
I think Dave Jones would tip me over the edge, but I could see it happening which is the worrying thing.

This is exactly why i'm cautious of getting rid of Irvine, yes he's negative and yes the football is boring but he's doing what is asked so far and that is keeping us out of relegation zone.

The alternative options of Dave Jones or a dream team of Downing and Kiely fill me with dread.

The only positive I can see in apppointing Downing and Kiely is that means they'll be out of the club quicker.

The worrying thing for me about Dave Jones is that Terry Burton has worked alongside him at both Cardiff City and Sheffield Wednesday.

Jones is another man on his way out - he is lazy and would be a disaster in my opinion. It has been mentioned on this forum that our players have been on easy streak for far too long and that would only get worse under Jones whose attitude to training doesn't fit with the ethos that this club operates with.

I don't think I could cope with his arrogance either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2014, 07:28:06 PM
I would take Jones over ted any day now, sad to say
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 30, 2014, 07:31:41 PM
As this is my 100th post i would have liked it to be more positive, i only came on a while ago to vent my anger in a different way than kicking our cat but the anger still lingers on just like some of our coaching staff.
I fear that our Head Coach is going nowhere soon and my reason for this is he was head hunted by JP and he will stick to his guns on this. I hope i am wrong or A1 proves us wrong but i have a feeling we are in for another long season.
I wasn't a great lover of RH way of playing but we had hope nearly every game we have none now no matter who we play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
The worrying thing for me about Dave Jones is that Terry Burton has worked alongside him at both Cardiff City and Sheffield Wednesday.

Jones is another man on his way out - he is lazy and would be a disaster in my opinion. It has been mentioned on this forum that our players have been on easy streak for far too long and that would only get worse under Jones whose attitude to training doesn't fit with the ethos that this club operates with.

I don't think I could cope with his arrogance either.
With luck, Peace will think twice before listening to Burton's recommendations after he recommended Irvine...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 07:38:47 PM
If we were going down the road of taking on a "coach", I would personally us rather have taken on Paul Lambert but that's water under the bridge now. It's so clear AI is out of his depth and the board need to react before it's too late and the inevitable happens.
Recent performances are not going to be tolerated with negative set ups and a worrying lack of goals. I mean Burnley and QPR are struggling but at least they're putting the ball in the net.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on November 30, 2014, 07:42:54 PM
If by keeping in the game against a top 6, Champions league side and having been denied the best opportunity to open the scoring by an incorrect decision by an official is how you quantify out of his depth, I agree he is out of his depth. I disagree that it was game over when we conceded as (apart from the offside decision) our best chances fell after their goal and apart from a counter attacking goal aside we had more opportunity to score.
The substitution of Sess for Samaras was also well made because Sess was ineffective at that point in the game (arguably so were others) and Samaras provided an extra dimension and only gave the ball once which he then got back.

VVV are you Irvine or his agent can you honestly see us staying up with him in charge, did you go to the game yesterday did you watch that shockingly poor devoid of any ambition performance, I'm all for taking a cautious approach against teams like arsenal then hit them on the counter but the players picked don't match the style the players that could play that way are not even on the bench myself and I'd say a large majority of our fans are fed up of the season already it's a horror show
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 30, 2014, 07:44:22 PM
Gareth Southgate....recommended by RH and DA after his great work with the England U-21s.

A perfect fit.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:46:02 PM
I'd love to see Gary Neville, he has excellent attention to detail.

Whoever it is, he needs to be a strong man to sort out any remaining cliques that may exist.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 07:50:32 PM
You need someone who won't see us as a stepping stone. Both Neville and Southgate (too nice anyway) would be waiting for a big job to come along. Pulis who I believe we should 100% go for has whether fair or not built his own glass ceiling with his first few years at Stoke. A bigger club than us/Stoke/Palarse would not take him on. Get rid of Irvine and the chuckle brothers, get rid of Burton and Day. Pool their combined wage and give it to Pulis and 2 coaches of his choosing on a minimum 3 year contract.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 30, 2014, 07:51:01 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.

Pardew is a good manager with a history of success. Irvine won't be here after Christmas mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 07:54:08 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.
What have you seen that makes you believe things are about to get better? (other than the fact the football couldn't possibly get worse). I don't rate Pardew at all but even he's had past success to some degree. The same can't be said of Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2014, 07:57:23 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.
Not about results alone though is it, if you read the majority of posts the overwhelming gripe is the style of play.
If Irvine wakes up and starts to play the likes of Varela, Gamboa and Blanco in a more attacking formation he still has a chance. If he continues with this surrender mentality he will fail, regardless of the odd decent result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on November 30, 2014, 08:04:08 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.
That's up to Irvine starting against West Ham , the tools are there in the squad . A few more bad results and performances and i 'd say that's his lot and the search starts again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 30, 2014, 08:10:45 PM
What have you seen that makes you believe things are about to get better? (other than the fact the football couldn't possibly get worse). I don't rate Pardew at all but even he's had past success to some degree. The same can't be said of Irvine.

There was a bit of pressure on Irvine after the Everton game but we bounced back with three wins and also played some good stuff. I think we're capable of picking up points and playing well again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on November 30, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.

Only 3 points above the bottom team, all below us have better battling qualities than West Brom, leave it 'til after Christmas and it will be too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on November 30, 2014, 08:19:53 PM
Pulis being linked with Leicester now, we need to get in there quick. We missed the chance last year, lets not miss it again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
Need to ruthless like Southampton were with Nigel Adkins.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.



Pardews team still attacked with intent, creating chances not continuously passing sideways in their lean spell
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 30, 2014, 08:29:58 PM
You need someone who won't see us as a stepping stone. Both Neville and Southgate (too nice anyway) would be waiting for a big job to come along. Pulis who I believe we should 100% go for has whether fair or not built his own glass ceiling with his first few years at Stoke. A bigger club than us/Stoke/Palarse would not take him on. Get rid of Irvine and the chuckle brothers, get rid of Burton and Day. Pool their combined wage and give it to Pulis and 2 coaches of his choosing on a minimum 3 year contract.

I'd still go for Southgate.  If the manager is bad he won't last 2 years, and if he's any good, which is what we all want, then a bigger club will always be in, whoever it is.  We can't afford to worry about it being a stepping stone.

To be fair re Nigel Adkins he was doing a very good job and certainly didn't deserve to be sacked by Saints.  Yes it turned out well for them, but was a big gamble to get rid of him.  I'd certainly not rule him out either.

Sadly, more likely to be Roy Keane or Dave Jones.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 30, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
Only 3 points above the bottom team, all below us have better battling qualities than West Brom, leave it 'til after Christmas and it will be too late.

I think JP can read the league table himself.  Hopefully he can!

A home defeat on Tuesday v West Ham could be the end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 30, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
Alan Irvine is really a nice bloke, I met him a few weeks ago. That's has far as it goes though. The bloke is not a leader of men. If he is supposed to be a great coach why didn't he get the Everton job at any stage. Moyes would have surely put in a good word. What's he done in football apart from fail. He needs to go now. The players we have are better than their performances suggest . With the right manager with a football philosophy of winning we have so much to look forward to. Act now peace before it's too late. You carry on with him you loose the supporters and your potential sale. God help us if he takes us down and we continue with him. The villa will be my last home game until this footballing dross of a nightmare is over
why didn't he get any job.
why was we the only stupid club to offer it to him.
lets not forget he turned us down before which when you consider what rubbish he dishes up is an insult.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 30, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
It's amusing how many of the same people who call Irvine boring want Pulis. Most his teams score less goals than games a season, its a very dull style of football. His away record at Stoke was usually atrocious because they never had any intent to win.

He's effective in terms of he'll get 40-45 points a season usually but its hilarious how quickly things change. Pulis plays an extremely direct style with a target man and trying to pick up second balls. You get people trying to claim his Palace side was good to watch yet they scored 27 in 27 games under him. We've scored 13 in 13 under Irvine. Under Pulis if the other team scored first, Palace very rarely ever scored. Because of how defensive they set up. It was even worse at Stoke. We don't even have the luxury of the pacey wingers he likes. This is a man who with a big budget kept playing Mama Sidibe till he eventually got a serious injury and he had to stop playing him.

The same people moaning about Irvine and crying for Pulis will be the same people who when Pulis kept us up on 43 points having scored 15 goals in 22 games under him or whatever, would be the exact same people saying staying up isn't worth it for that style of football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 08:36:21 PM
Adkins was doing better at Southampton than AI is doing here, but I don't see him as the answer. Pulis would shake the club up to the core, which is what's needed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on November 30, 2014, 08:38:07 PM
It's amusing how many of the same people who call Irvine boring want Pulis. Most his teams score less goals than games a season, its a very dull style of football. His away record at Stoke was usually atrocious because they never had any intent to win.

He's effective in terms of he'll get 40-45 points a season usually but its hilarious how quickly things change. Pulis plays an extremely direct style with a target man and trying to pick up second balls. You get people trying to claim his Palace side was good to watch yet they scored 27 in 27 games under him. We've scored 13 in 13 under Irvine. Under Pulis if the other team scored first, Palace very rarely ever scored. Because of how defensive they set up. It was even worse at Stoke. We don't even have the luxury of the pacey wingers he likes. This is a man who with a big budget kept playing Mama Sidibe till he eventually got a serious injury and he had to stop playing him.

The same people moaning about Irvine and crying for Pulis will be the same people who when Pulis kept us up on 43 points having scored 15 goals in 22 games under him or whatever, would be the exact same people saying staying up isn't worth it for that style of football.

Put it a lot better than I could. Fully agree.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nathan on November 30, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
Adkins was doing better at Southampton than AI is doing here, but I don't see him as the answer. Pulis would shake the club up to the core, which is what's needed

Peace will NEVER appoint a manager who is likely to shake the club up in anyway. If Irvine goes it will be just another yes man, told he has to work with Downing and Kiely. If Peace thinks that pair are that great that he can't dispose of them why doesn't he just give them the bloody manager's job. Downing and Kiely bring nothing to the table. It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 08:42:10 PM
Pulis is more similar to Gary Megson than AI and doesn't mince his words. AI is someone content to slot into a sh#te jigsaw puzzle
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 08:44:13 PM
It's amusing how many of the same people who call Irvine boring want Pulis. Most his teams score less goals than games a season, its a very dull style of football. His away record at Stoke was usually atrocious because they never had any intent to win.

He's effective in terms of he'll get 40-45 points a season usually but its hilarious how quickly things change. Pulis plays an extremely direct style with a target man and trying to pick up second balls. You get people trying to claim his Palace side was good to watch yet they scored 27 in 27 games under him. We've scored 13 in 13 under Irvine. Under Pulis if the other team scored first, Palace very rarely ever scored. Because of how defensive they set up. It was even worse at Stoke. We don't even have the luxury of the pacey wingers he likes. This is a man who with a big budget kept playing Mama Sidibe till he eventually got a serious injury and he had to stop playing him.

The same people moaning about Irvine and crying for Pulis will be the same people who when Pulis kept us up on 43 points having scored 15 goals in 22 games under him or whatever, would be the exact same people saying staying up isn't worth it for that style of football.

Agree with this.

Albion fans spent many years continuously criticising Tony Pulis and lambasting his style of football.

Now it seems those that derided him are jumping at the opportunity to appoint him..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on November 30, 2014, 08:45:13 PM
It's amusing how many of the same people who call Irvine boring want Pulis. Most his teams score less goals than games a season, its a very dull style of football. His away record at Stoke was usually atrocious because they never had any intent to win.

He's effective in terms of he'll get 40-45 points a season usually but its hilarious how quickly things change. Pulis plays an extremely direct style with a target man and trying to pick up second balls. You get people trying to claim his Palace side was good to watch yet they scored 27 in 27 games under him. We've scored 13 in 13 under Irvine. Under Pulis if the other team scored first, Palace very rarely ever scored. Because of how defensive they set up. It was even worse at Stoke. We don't even have the luxury of the pacey wingers he likes. This is a man who with a big budget kept playing Mama Sidibe till he eventually got a serious injury and he had to stop playing him.

The same people moaning about Irvine and crying for Pulis will be the same people who when Pulis kept us up on 43 points having scored 15 goals in 22 games under him or whatever, would be the exact same people saying staying up isn't worth it for that style of football.

I'm not moaning about style of play to be honest we don't have any sort of plan bar defend under irvine he's clearly out his depth with us and pulis is clearly not, its like hodgson style of football pulis and I tell you now I was never moaning about hodgson style, an example of pulis teams is the game palace Liverpool last season had that been Albion Liverpool under Irvine can you honestly see us coming back to draw 3-3 no chance, to be honest your points about pulis I don't agree with, wasn't there a stat that when pulis took charge of palace if the season had started then palace would be top 6 Irvine= relegation Pulis=safety (easily)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nathan on November 30, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
Pulis is more similar to Gary Megson than AI and doesn't mince his words. AI is someone content to slot into a sh#te jigsaw puzzle

Exactly right. Pulis is a carbon copy of Megson. There is no way Pulis would put up with any rubbish and he would not work with Downing/Kiely either. It would be Pulis's way or no way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 08:50:12 PM
Pulis will not work with a director of football either and he certainly won't like our budgets.

He had a free purse at Stoke, spent a bucket load of money (money we could only dream of) and his style got progressively worse each year.

I do find it surprising that those who state they want to see entertainment are championing the appointment of Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on November 30, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
Pulis will not work with a director of football either and he certainly won't like our budgets.

He had a free purse at Stoke, spent a bucket load of money (money we could only dream of) and his style got progressively worse each year.

I do find it surprising that those who state they want to see entertainment are championing the appointment of Tony Pulis.

I agree.  Pulis is the manager you hire to rescue you in February.  He's not the man you hire with a 3-year plan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on November 30, 2014, 08:53:48 PM
I'm not moaning about style of play to be honest we don't have any sort of plan bar defend under irvine he's clearly out his depth with us and pulis is clearly not, its like hodgson style of football pulis and I tell you now I was never moaning about hodgson style, an example of pulis teams is the game palace Liverpool last season had that been Albion Liverpool under Irvine can you honestly see us coming back to draw 3-3 no chance, to be honest your points about pulis I don't agree with, wasn't there a stat that when pulis took charge of palace if the season had started then palace would be top 6 Irvine= relegation Pulis=safety (easily)

Pulis isn't anything like Hodgson. Pulis sets up his side with a bunch of very tall players, trained to be very good at pieces, with a big target man up front. They play pacey wingers who's job it is to get corners, or win throws so they can launch it in the box. In general play its either shunt it out to the wing or hoof it up to the big man to win the second ball.

Irvine's way more like Hodgson in set up (playing a congested midfield, wingers used defensively). Just firstly Hodgson was a better manager so the system worked better under him, and secondly the players Hodgson had were a better fit for said system.

Saying that Pulis drew 3-3 with Liverpool is like saying us beating Burnley 4-0 an example of an Irvine team. Pulis is what he is. He'll keep teams up but he won't do much better than that. At Stoke he spent one of the highest net amounts in the league and repeatedly wasted the money, bought in poor players and they never improved.

But suddenly a good run of form with Palace and he's Corberan who plays amazing football. Don't make me laugh. Anyone who dared to complain when we beat Leicester 1-0 that we didn't deserve it, then claims they want Pulis who wins games in a similar way needs their head checking.

If all you want is to stay up and you want Pulis then fair enough, but did people who want him and good football only start watching football in April?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 30, 2014, 08:54:33 PM
We lack pace, width and guile, this is supposedly understood and recognised within the club.  Why is it then we have a Portuguese and an Argentinian international, both of whom are wingers yet neither one is making the bench?  It really is baffling.  There are a few murmurings that they have failed to impress on the training field, maybe so, but it’s not like we are championing a pair of El Ghanassy type characters here, these are experienced footballers with genuine pedigree. 

It’s all a little Robson-esc for me, I remember feeling so frustrated that we had Kanu and Earnshaw rotting on the sidelines while a shot Kevin Campbell floundered up front on his own and it’s kind of a similar scenario now.

I don’t dislike Irvine at all, I think he comes across as a personable bloke, he speaks well, is enthusiastic and I believe him to be an excellent coach.  However he needs to get his head out his backside with this overly conservative approach (especially at home) or he’ll be gone as it’s simply not working.  We need to take the game to sides at home, that’s all I ask.  What is even more disheartening is that I actually think we have a half decent squad and the team just needs 2/3 adjustments -  I hope he makes them for his sake and ours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 30, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
Pulis will not work with a director of football either and he certainly won't like our budgets.

He had a free purse at Stoke, spent a bucket load of money (money we could only dream of) and his style got progressively worse each year.

I do find it surprising that those who state they want to see entertainment are championing the appointment of Tony Pulis.
I think the reason posters are suggesting pulis is that the players need a kick up the backside, similar to how megson reshaped us, personally I wouldn't want pulis but hes a safe bet but would prefer someone with a better style of football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on November 30, 2014, 09:03:29 PM
Pulis isn't anything like Hodgson. Pulis sets up his side with a bunch of very tall players, trained to be very good at pieces, with a big target man up front. They play pacey wingers who's job it is to get corners, or win throws so they can launch it in the box. In general play its either shunt it out to the wing or hoof it up to the big man to win the second ball.

Irvine's way more like Hodgson in set up (playing a congested midfield, wingers used defensively). Just firstly Hodgson was a better manager so the system worked better under him, and secondly the players Hodgson had were a better fit for said system.

Saying that Pulis drew 3-3 with Liverpool is like saying us beating Burnley 4-0 an example of an Irvine team. Pulis is what he is. He'll keep teams up but he won't do much better than that. At Stoke he spent one of the highest net amounts in the league and repeatedly wasted the money, bought in poor players and they never improved.

But suddenly a good run of form with Palace and he's Corberan who plays amazing football. Don't make me laugh. Anyone who dared to complain when we beat Leicester 1-0 that we didn't deserve it, then claims they want Pulis who wins games in a similar way needs their head checking.

If all you want is to stay up and you want Pulis then fair enough, but did people who want him and good football only start watching football in April?

I don't care what style we play all I know are facts and stats, Irvine statistically has done what as a manager in comparison to pulis who made stoke into the team they are today and that one season as palace manager statistically had them as one of the top seven teams in the premier league from the start of his reign
You give me one stat or fact that Irvine comes out on top versus pulis
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 09:07:50 PM
As we're slipping into a relegation battle, we need to be tight at the back and show a goal threat which we look incapable of doing atm. We also need to turn The Hawthorns back into a fortress where teams worry about coming, not a place they can come and have an easy ride.
As things stand, most people's complaints seem to be about us being over cautious and not the style of play as the only time we have a go at the opposition is when we go behind
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on November 30, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
We lack pace, width and guile, this is supposedly understood and recognised within the club.  Why is it then we have a Portuguese and an Argentinian international, both of whom are wingers yet neither one is making the bench?  It really is baffling.  There are a few murmurings that they have failed to impress on the training field, maybe so, but it’s not like we are championing a pair of El Ghanassy type characters here, these are experienced footballers with genuine pedigree. 

It’s all a little Robson-esc for me, I remember feeling so frustrated that we had Kanu and Earnshaw rotting on the sidelines while a shot Kevin Campbell floundered up front on his own and it’s kind of a similar scenario now.

I don’t dislike Irvine at all, I think he comes across as a personable bloke, he speaks well, is enthusiastic and I believe him to be an excellent coach.  However he needs to get his head out his backside with this overly conservative approach (especially at home) or he’ll be gone as it’s simply not working.  We need to take the game to sides at home, that’s all I ask.  What is even more disheartening is that I actually think we have a half decent squad and the team just needs 2/3 adjustments -  I hope he makes them for his sake and ours.
good post and your correct in that he only needs 2/3 personnel changes to make the team more of a threat at home.
ie Valero for brunt.
ie gamboa for wisdom.
2 small changes that give us a bit of width and attack with pace.
whats he got to lose by trying it because it sure as hell isn't working at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2014, 09:30:56 PM
The changes will only work if Irvine gives them license to play.

They will be pretty much redundant if Irvine restricts them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on November 30, 2014, 09:31:52 PM
I think the fact that so many seem to be calling for Pulis is a damning indictment of the current rubbish that is being served up on a weekly basis
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on November 30, 2014, 09:38:46 PM
good post and your correct in that he only needs 2/3 personnel changes to make the team more of a threat at home.
ie Valero for brunt.
ie gamboa for wisdom.
2 small changes that give us a bit of width and attack with pace.
whats he got to lose by trying it because it sure as hell isn't working at the moment.

Absolutely agree! Many posters on this forum have been suggesting these changes for weeks now....why cant the coaching staff see what we see...its so obvious!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 30, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
I agree.  Pulis is the manager you hire to rescue you in February.  He's not the man you hire with a 3-year plan.

Jacko must have been on the sauce suggesting Pulis?

No Pulis, Hodgson, Clarke or Irvine please. I struggle to believe the love in for Hodgson tbh. I was never a fan of his football. The one thing RH really has is a kind of gravitas none of our other recent coaches have had. Unfortunately it seems RH still somehow manages to influence decisions at our club. We need a new approach, that is very clear.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on November 30, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
The changes will only work if Irvine gives them license to play.

They will be pretty much redundant if Irvine restricts them.

This is an important point. I foresee future problems since this "excellent coach" will only work with players who are "fit" for purpose (do what has been drilled into them). How this has affected players who have been restricted game time is anyone's guess. Once (if) they are given an opportunity and play badly,  which is highly likely, Irvine's lack of faith in them will appear to have been vindicated  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 09:51:01 PM
I think the reason posters are suggesting pulis is that the players need a kick up the backside, similar to how megson reshaped us, personally I wouldn't want pulis but hes a safe bet but would prefer someone with a better style of football.
Trouble is who can get us playing attractively and get the results we need. We're slipping into a relegation battle with a horrible run in, so something needs to happen fast.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 30, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
I can take us going down as long as we give it a go. What I can't take is this brand of football in the championship. He won't change his style so get rid now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
Absolutely agree! Many posters on this forum have been suggesting these changes for weeks now....why cant the coaching staff see what we see...its so obvious!

Not for me, Valero would come in on the right, Brunt doesn't lose his place as our most threatening midfielder. Gamboa and Varela to give our dysfunctional right hand side a massive lift.

Jacko must have been on the sauce suggesting Pulis?

No Pulis, Hodgson, Clarke or Irvine please. I struggle to believe the love in for Hodgson tbh. I was never a fan of his football. The one thing RH really has is a kind of gravitas none of our other recent coaches have had. Unfortunately it seems RH still somehow manages to influence decisions at our club. We need a new approach, that is very clear.

I'm serious mate. The football will be better than what we have had from Clarke and Irvine, Pulis will shake things up behind the scenes, something that is much needed. He also galvanises supporters with his seige mentality. Wouldn't it be nice to keep a clean sheet at home. I sat there on Saturday lunchtime thinking when not if Arsenal would score. Foster did well with the Welbeck one on one, but it was only ever a matter of time.

I wished we'd stuck with Mel and all the fun that would have yielded, but something inside the club is broken and it needs fixing. There's no better man for the job imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on November 30, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
Saw Pulis interviewed a few months ago and he was asked how he started to turn them around
Get rid of the cliques in the dressing room he said and got all the players playing for each other
Just what we need I reckon
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on November 30, 2014, 10:22:54 PM
Jacko and Tylerm here here. Our club is rotten to the core and needs fixing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 30, 2014, 10:43:11 PM
Spot on Seteefeet its not about results, just look at Pepe's result and we loved him.
If A1 doesn't small the coffee he's toast ( sorry).
Pulis for me, never thought i would say that but watching this rubbish for the last few weeks has taken its toll
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 30, 2014, 11:18:40 PM
Not for me, Valero would come in on the right, Brunt doesn't lose his place as our most threatening midfielder. Gamboa and Varela to give our dysfunctional right hand side a massive lift.

I'm serious mate. The football will be better than what we have had from Clarke and Irvine, Pulis will shake things up behind the scenes, something that is much needed. He also galvanises supporters with his seige mentality. Wouldn't it be nice to keep a clean sheet at home. I sat there on Saturday lunchtime thinking when not if Arsenal would score. Foster did well with the Welbeck one on one, but it was only ever a matter of time.

I wished we'd stuck with Mel and all the fun that would have yielded, but something inside the club is broken and it needs fixing. There's no better man for the job imo.

Well I agree with your goals. I agree something is seriously out of whack at the club on the higher level when it comes to strategy and choice of managers. JP needs to identify the problem here and deal with it. We have had an obvious deficiency since DA left, and even he could not do everything on his own. I agree we need someone to break up the cliques. But we also need someone with a style that can bring the club forward and Pulis is not that man. Even Stoke gave up on him.

We need someone who plays football that doesn't make the fans lose the will to live. Someone who is competent enough to play one style of football against one opponent, and another style against another when needed, depending on the situation and the strength and weakness of our opponents.

No more dinosaurs and throwbacks and upjumped number 2s. 

Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2014, 11:26:40 PM
Well I agree with your goals. I agree something is seriously out of whack at the club on the higher level when it comes to strategy and choice of managers. JP needs to identify the problem here and deal with it. We have had an obvious deficiency since DA left, and even he could not do everything on his own. I agree we need someone to break up the cliques. But we also need someone with a style that can bring the club forward and Pulis is not that man. Even Stoke gave up on him.

We need someone who plays football that doesn't make the fans lose the will to live. Someone who is competent enough to play one style of football against one opponent, and another style against another when needed, depending on the situation and the strength and weakness of our opponents.

No more dinosaurs and throwbacks and upjumped number 2s. 

Is that too much to ask?

You tell me?

Who fits the criteria that is available?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on November 30, 2014, 11:40:25 PM
You tell me?

Who fits the criteria that is available?

Well I can't think of any Brit that's for sure. Then again I don't follow other clubs that closely. If it's a Brit we look at I dread it's another job for a lad type thing, or that we set ourselves up for another dead end (like we knew with AI). Someone like Howe I don't know enough about. The prem recycled the same old hoary dinosaurs for too long and lost one or two generations of potential managers I suspect and stagnated the domestic game.

But as you hinted at, the problem runs deeper. If the other coaches and the players revolted against Pepe Mel because he asked for an uptempo high pressure game, and the players couldn't perform because they are too slow and not quick enough in their reading of the game, that limits the choice of coach we have doesn't it. Maybe we should just ask the players to coach themselves...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2014, 11:41:33 PM
To be fair football is the only profession where you can fail multiple times and still get a top job. Coaches the same. They will all have some success in their careers but the poorer parts always get glossed over.


I see your point but you forget politicians they are the same.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on November 30, 2014, 11:42:34 PM
If JP was to let AI go

1st------JP needs to look into a style of football that he want's to see us play home & away, one he & us would appreciate "hopefully"
2 ------  One that he can afford to implement
3------- Look at if the head coach thing to see if its worth persisting with (I think he would stick with this but hope he didn't)
4------- Then look for the man/men to fulfill that list.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 01, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
If JP was to let AI go

1st------JP needs to look into a style of football that he want's to see us play home & away, one he & us would appreciate "hopefully"
2 ------  One that he can afford to implement
3------- Look at if the head coach thing to see if its worth persisting with (I think he would stick with this but hope he didn't)
4------- Then look for the man/men to fulfill that list.
I don't think we can worry about style of play when we're slipping into a relegation battle, we need to go out with the attitude to try and win matches. JP will be thinking about his investment if it's a head coach or manager, but this setup is not working.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 01, 2014, 12:27:05 AM
I think Peace wouldn't touch Pulis purely from a financial standpoint. Obviously he's a great businessman but seems to avoid 'risks' which he would see Pulis as.

Apart from Pulis I see very few options unfortunately. We've tried foreign, we've done up-and-coming and now we've got Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 01, 2014, 12:38:42 AM
I think Peace wouldn't touch Pulis purely from a financial standpoint. Obviously he's a great businessman but seems to avoid 'risks' which he would see Pulis as.

Apart from Pulis I see very few options unfortunately. We've tried foreign, we've done up-and-coming and now we've got Irvine.

McLaren, Southgate, and Adkins would be my shortlist.

JP's shortlist would I suspect be more like Jones, Hughton, McLeish, Keane, McCoist and McDermott......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 01, 2014, 01:00:41 AM
McLaren, Southgate, and Adkins would be my shortlist.

JP's shortlist would I suspect be more like Jones, Hughton, McLeish, Keane, McCoist and McDermott......

You are just twisting the knife aren't you. :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 01, 2014, 01:08:07 AM
McLaren, Southgate, and Adkins would be my shortlist.

JP's shortlist would I suspect be more like Jones, Hughton, McLeish, Keane, McCoist and McDermott......

Would prefer all of them to Irvine but would not mind Hughton or Keane.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on December 01, 2014, 07:28:47 AM
All this is so frustrating because we actually have players in the squad who could compete with most teams in the prem.....they're just not being selected, or played out of position. The fault lies with the coaching staff and the clique of senior established pros in the club. What we need is an old fashioned manager with his own coaching staff, but can anyone see that happening with JP at the helm?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 01, 2014, 07:45:20 AM
 How did we get rid of so many players at the end of last season, sign so many new ones and apparently none of them are better than Brunt Morrison and Dorrans?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 01, 2014, 08:19:53 AM
We've got a team with players with champions and Europa league experience. They are good players and we should be competing for the top half. Under irvine we will be brainwashed into believing 17 is as good as it can get. We need an ambitious manager, a koeman type manager. However I personally think it will be more like another no2 we get in. Either way I am hearing rumours that people higher up in the club are losing faith in irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 01, 2014, 08:30:32 AM
Here are my thoughts on the names being mentioned on here....

JP would never work with Keane, JP wants less headlines and controversy.

Pulls would never work as a head coach, not in a million years.

I wouldn't be scared to go foreign again, just because it didn't work for Mel it did work for Koeman, Pochettino, Laudrup etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
Let's see how we are doing after Christmas, some good results in the next few weeks and things will be looking better. Look at the Pardew situation at Newcastle, no reason why Irvine can't win over the majority in time.

The only problem with this is, Irvine has never had the majoritys backing from the start.
The whole appointment was underwhelming and its clear to see why.

Preston and Sheff Wed fans warned us what would happen on here and its exactly what we are seeing.

Lets see if tomorows team and the team against Hull are the same line up as the team that played against Arsenal, we all know he 'picks a team to win on the day'. Cant see how he could say that 11 is the best 11 for all 3 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 08:46:24 AM
Until after Hull if nothing has improved no points gained no goals scored then he needs to be gone before villa as we think its no fun at the moment but the seals celebrating in our ground after we have waved the white flag really will tip some of our fans over the edge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 08:51:17 AM
Fed up of Irvine. Fed up of his approach and quite frankly bullsh*t that he picks the team based on the opposition yet we've seen the same players week in week out.

How does a guy that has Champions league and world cup experience and qaulity not even make the bench. You tell the fans he is fit, yet he doesn't get a look in. How can he overlook the only natural width we have?

On Saturday Irvine for me got it wrong again with subs, he brought on Anichebe which isolated and bypassed Sess. Then that meant he had to take off Sess and bring on Samaras. The fans were spot on in the assessment of that decision. At that point I thought Sess was the only who having an impact and running at Arsenal.

Don't think I can take much more of Irvine. Negative, sideways, dull, rubbish. I can see us going into the Villa game very low on confidence having been turned over by both West Ham and Hull.

Oh and those slating Pulis, his side finished 6 wins and 9 points better off than us last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 09:13:45 AM
Fed up of Irvine. Fed up of his approach and quite frankly bullsh*t that he picks the team based on the opposition yet we've seen the same players week in week out.

How does a guy that has Champions league and world cup experience and qaulity not even make the bench. You tell the fans he is fit, yet he doesn't get a look in. How can he overlook the only natural width we have?

On Saturday Irvine for me got it wrong again with subs, he brought on Anichebe which isolated and bypassed Sess. Then that meant he had to take off Sess and bring on Samaras. The fans were spot on in the assessment of that decision. At that point I thought Sess was the only who having an impact and running at Arsenal.

Don't think I can take much more of Irvine. Negative, sideways, dull, rubbish. I can see us going into the Villa game very low on confidence having been turned over by both West Ham and Hull.

Oh and those slating Pulis, his side finished 6 wins and 9 points better off than us last season.

You feel exactly the same as me mate, and im guessing the same as alot of other fans.

Only real question is, if this continues how long would it take before hes gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 01, 2014, 09:23:00 AM
There is an Albion press conference at 2pm today. I hope the journos attending will demand some answers from Irvine about his puzzling team selections and tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
There is an Albion press conference at 2pm today. I hope the journos attending will demand some answers from Irvine about his puzzling team selections and tactics.
Part of the problem they never ask any trying questions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 09:26:52 AM
There is an Albion press conference at 2pm today. I hope the journos attending will demand some answers from Irvine about his puzzling team selections and tactics.

I very much doubt they'll get a response from AI. More of the same I predict ''They're fit, they're ready, but they just weren't right for that game''
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
Part of the problem they never ask any trying questions.

No they don't, they are too busy trying to get a job with Lepko and Swain who have bowed down to the right people over the last decade.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 10:08:24 AM
There is an Albion press conference at 2pm today. I hope the journos attending will demand some answers from Irvine about his puzzling team selections and tactics.

Irvines response will be the same as the qoutes in the Express and Star the other day.

'Spends hours looking at the best 11 to pick and him and the other coaches all come with pretty much the same 11 to best play against the opposing team.'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
what choice does he have to change things for tomorrows game.He selects the same team with a similar performance he knows what hes now up against
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
There is an Albion press conference at 2pm today. I hope the journos attending will demand some answers from Irvine about his puzzling team selections and tactics.

Simple question from me would be: "You recognise yourself we lack pace, width, guile.  Why can't a Portuguese international winger and  an Argentinian international winger even make the bench?"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
what choice does he have to change things for tomorrows game.He selects the same team with a similar performance he knows what hes now up against

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 10:22:09 AM
JP will know he got away with it last season and support stuck by the club despite an awful season , now we appear to be going down the same road i can see him pulling the trigger quicker if things don't improve. JP can't possibly be happy spending that much money on fees and wages on the Summer signings and most don't feature despite some poor results and performances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 10:29:12 AM
JP will know he got away with it last season and support stuck by the club despite an awful season , now we appear to be going down the same road i can see him pulling the trigger quicker if things don't improve. JP can't possibly be happy spending that much money on fees and wages on the Summer signings and most don't feature despite some poor results and performances.

Id be interesting to hear if any of the in the know people on here have heard anything from inside the club and how AI is thought of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 10:44:03 AM
Irvine is now saying that his tactics aren't to blame for our recent failure to score:

"West Brom boss Alan Irvine says his tactics aren't to blame for the goal drought

    Dec 01, 2014 08:19
    By Bill Howell

Head coach says his West Bromwich Albion team is set up to attack - they just didn't do it well enough against Arsenal as they a drew a blank in front of goal and lost again

Alan Irvine has defended his tactics and suggested it is far easier telling his players to play ‘on the front foot’ than seeing them carry it out.

West Bromwich Albion were ponderous against Arsenal and drew another blank in front of goal.

“All our work last week was about being on the front foot and it’s really easy to do that on the training ground, talking about being positive and going forward,” said Irvine. “But it can be tough during the game. We started in that vein and we finished in that vein but there wasn’t any instructions in between times that we should do something different. I would have wanted us to continue in that vein. To see Arsenal for the first 15 minutes being a counter attacking team is kind of unusual and probably not what people would have expected.

“We want to have as many attacking options as we possibly can. The instruction to the full backs was to get forward and at the beginning of the game they did that. When we have Dorrans, Gardner, Brunt and Mulumbu with Sessegnon and Berahino, there isn’t a defender in that group so its not as if it’s a team that’s set up not to attack. It’s a team set up to try and play through midfield and get forward. We didn’t do it well enough at times. By the end it was a bit more back to front and we had the physical presence of Samaras and Anichebe so you are looking then at a different way of getting from back to front.

“It is whichever way has to be done to try and win the game but I would prefer us to have control of the game rather than play knock down football. But if the only way for us to win games is to play knock down football then that’s what we will do.”

Albion have now scored one goal in four games - and that was an own goal at Leicester. Only Saido Berahino has scored more than a single goal. Irvine says everyone is feeling the strain.

“It’s not just Saido, all of us. When he was in that position and the linesman’s flag went up I was massively disappointed because I really fancied him to score.”

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-boss-alan-irvine-8202993)

You couldn't make it up - not only did we not muster a shot during this supposedly marvellous first 15 minutes, but it was actually 54 minutes before we had a shot of any description. Make way, make way - tactical genius at work....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 10:47:17 AM
In response to the above post .....Give me strength ! :-X
I can't even bring myself to read Irvine's thoughts on the Official Site , they make me cringe that much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 01, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
Irvines comments are laughable there what a clown I think we need our own banner like the arsenal fans get him out Alan no idea Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 10:57:37 AM
Thin Ice Alan. unbelievable.

Just shows they are not playing for him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
The instruction to the full backs was to get forward and at the beginning of the game they did that

So what about the rest of the game Alan? It's your job to instruct the players on how to play, make them play out your 'tactics'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 AM
He works 13-14 hours a day you know, says so in today's Mail. Seems to want credit for his commitment, however, if he is working that many hours and coming up with the same negative rubbish, he should maybe give up and get some early nights.
His musings are getting more and more ridiculous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
He has just got to go now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 01, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
He has just got to go now
Mate my bet is that we will have him a bit longer :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 11:07:11 AM
It is whichever way has to be done to try and win the game but I would prefer us to have control of the game rather than play knock down football. But if the only way for us to win games is to play knock down football then that’s what we will do

Expect long ball to Anichebe tomorrow night. If that's the case it's going to be a long night of watching the likes of Collins constantly beating him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 01, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
He works 13-14 hours a day you know, says so in today's Mail. Seems to want credit for his commitment, however, if he is working that many hours and coming up with the same negative rubbish, he should maybe give up and get some early nights.
His musings are getting more and more ridiculous.

the only way he'll get credit is by results.

anyone could say how many hours a day they work but if the end product is boring and turgid like we've been served up lately maybe more hours are needed !

it's a slippery slope when a manager starts defending themselves
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 11:24:54 AM
"We want to have as many attacking options as we possibly can...."

Which is why he has no attacking midfielders (unless you count Samaras as one) on the bench of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 11:27:38 AM
"We want to have as many attacking options as we possibly can...."

Which is why he has no attacking midfielders (unless you count Samaras as one) on the bench of course.

 ;D He's embarassing himself here isn't he.

Gmac, Baird and Gamboa all on the bench. No need for Baird on there at all for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2014, 11:29:39 AM
Gary Rowett as replacement anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 11:38:39 AM
He works 13-14 hours a day you know, says so in today's Mail. Seems to want credit for his commitment, however, if he is working that many hours and coming up with the same negative rubbish, he should maybe give up and get some early nights.
His musings are getting more and more ridiculous.
sick of hearing how many hours he works, give a monkey an airfix model to build, even if he does 24/7 but assembles it wrong it shows it to be a waste of time and proves he doesn't know what he's doing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
sick of hearing how many hours he works, give a monkey an airfix model to build, even if he does 24/7 but assembles it wrong it shows it to be a waste of time and proves he doesn't know what he's doing.

I work 9 hours a day and probably spend 1-2 hours of that not doing very much, give me a medal.

Hes really starting to show himself up abit now.

Like i said earlier, I would love to hear some of the views from inside the club from some of the in the knowers on here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 01, 2014, 11:53:59 AM
I felt sorry for him on Saturday, he doesn't deserve half the stick he gets from the fans in my opinion. Pepe Mel gets his name sung after winning 3 games in 17 and nearly relegating us with his methods yet Irvine gets a tough time from the beginning. Need a more positive performance in the West Ham game without question but I hope the atmosphere is good because it can make a difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 11:59:09 AM
Pepe Mel gets his name sung after winning 3 games in 17 and nearly relegating us with his methods
The reason for that was because he was brought in specifically to introduce a new way of playing and yet wasn't backed by either the board or the other coaches in any way, shape or form. Blame him for that if you want, but I don't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
Need a more positive performance in the West Ham game without question but I hope the atmosphere is good because it can make a difference.

If the team play with intent, spirit and on the front foot from the off I don't think the atmosphere will be a problem.  If its more of the same, then it could turn ugly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 01, 2014, 12:00:03 PM
Here's a quote from Alan Irvine after the Nottingham Forest away game two weeks before season start.

“You can see we’ve got some lads having to play out of position - like Craig Gardner and Graham Dorrans - not because I want them to play out of position but because that’s where we are at the moment."

Here we are on Dec 1st and he's still playing Dorrans out wide.

But he'd rather do that than play Varela, Gamboa or Blanco there.

Sorry but he must go NOW!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 12:05:42 PM
Here's a quote from Alan Irvine after the Nottingham Forest away game two weeks before season start.

“You can see we’ve got some lads having to play out of position - like Craig Gardner and Graham Dorrans - not because I want them to play out of position but because that’s where we are at the moment."

Here we are on Dec 1st and he's still playing Dorrans out wide.

But he'd rather do that than play Varela, Gamboa or Blanco there.

Sorry but he must go NOW!

Nice research that, proving Irvine really hasn't got the foggiest
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
It's going to get a lot lot worse before it gets better, that's for sure! 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:09:12 PM
I felt sorry for him on Saturday, he doesn't deserve half the stick he gets from the fans in my opinion. Pepe Mel gets his name sung after winning 3 games in 17 and nearly relegating us with his methods yet Irvine gets a tough time from the beginning. Need a more positive performance in the West Ham game without question but I hope the atmosphere is good because it can make a difference.


Pepe Mel was a breath of fresh air with his methods. I dont feel sorry for irvine.He knew he was a failure and out of his depth.
unbelievable that irvine gets even 5% support on were with the most negative boring football possibly in the clubs history
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
It's going to get a lot lot worse before it gets better, that's for sure!
that's the frustrating thing about this situation, the next 4 games could see us claim 50% of the points required to stay in this league but I've no confidence whatsoever this will be achieved with Irvine at the helm.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 01, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
The reason for that was because he was brought in specifically to introduce a new way of playing and yet wasn't backed by either the board or the other coaches in any way, shape or form. Blame him for that if you want, but I don't.

Surely one look at our defence would have told him that a pressing game wasn't going to work? We had one of the league's slowest defence. He also didn't have the capability of lifting morale in the dressing room and the players couldn't understand what his instructions were. I also thought Mel got on well with Downing and Kiely, I remember him saying they helped him a lot or something along those lines. It was a tough job for him being his first job in England but Irvine also has a tough job taking over the team who finished 17th and lost a lot of it's players with morale at an all time low.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 01, 2014, 12:17:45 PM
If the team play with intent, spirit and on the front foot from the off I don't think the atmosphere will be a problem.  If its more of the same, then it could turn ugly.

Agree with that, we need to be more positive at home without a doubt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 12:19:20 PM
that's the frustrating thing about this situation, the next 4 games could see us claim 50% of the points required to stay in this league but I've no confidence whatsoever this will be achieved with Irvine at the helm.

I'd love to know what the board are thinking.

Are we assuming that they too wrote off the Chelsea and Arsenal games and giving him the benifit of the doubt over the next four games or are they seeing what we are and getting a bit tetchy?

It's an interesting one because I really cannot see who is available, who would facny the job and that will come in and do a better job than Irvine.

The only one I could see is Jol but he is a manager and not a head coach.

For the record I feel we need a manager and not a head coach but I don't think the club agree.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
Surely one look at our defence would have told him that a pressing game wasn't going to work? We had one of the league's slowest defence. He also didn't have the capability of lifting morale in the dressing room and the players couldn't understand what his instructions were. I also thought Mel got on well with Downing and Kiely, I remember him saying they helped him a lot or something along those lines. It was a tough job for him being his first job in England but Irvine also has a tough job taking over the team who finished 17th and lost a lot of it's players with morale at an all time low.
do you think mel would have done better with the current squad if he was still in charge, we have a much quicker defence than last season. I would have given him a full season with a transfer window to recruit players he needed and his own coach set up. I never understood the players complaining about communication problems, all team are multi national now and its just as difficult for the manager to understand players as it is players understanding the manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 01, 2014, 12:28:45 PM
West Brom boss Alan Irvine says his tactics aren't to blame for the goal drought

Headline in the mail is he for real or what >:( If he really wants fullbacks to go forward why pick Wisdom over Gamboa. If he wants us to go forward and be on the front foot why pick 4 central midfielders and this my fellow fans is a fantastic coach or so the people that appointed him would have us believe  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
Agree with that, we need to be more positive at home without a doubt.
If you read Irvine's summary of the Arsenal game we were on the front foot from the off against Arsenal! The fact that it took 60 odd minutes to muster a shot appears lost on him, unless by front foot he means 'not losing'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
 ::)
Alan Irvine prepared to offload five of West Brom's summer signings in January as he seeks winning formula
West Brom manager admits he's been disappointed with many of his summer signings, who we accepts were rushed in out of necessity


Overhaul: Alan Irvine is planning to revamp his squad in January  By John Percy11:21AM GMT 01 Dec 2014

Alan Irvine is ready to jettison five of West Bromwich Albion’s summer signings as he prepares to revamp his squad in January.
Irvine will allow Portugal international Silvestre Varela, Chris Baird, Jason Davidson and Sebastian Blanco to leave while the future of £10million record signing Brown Ideye remains uncertain.
Albion signed 10 players over the summer in a frantic bid to strengthen the squad but many of them have failed to impress, with Varela failing to make a Premier League appearance so far.
The 29-year-old winger, who played and scored at the World Cup, signed on a season-long loan from Porto and Albion are already looking into the possibility of scrapping the deal in the New Year.
Baird, Davidson and Blanco have also had limited opportunities and though they may be given games over the Christmas period, they are effectively fighting for their futures before the January transfer window opens

Ideye, the club’s marquee signing from Dynamo Kiev, is still on the fringes of the squad and though there is a determination to help him emerge from his troubled start, a short-term move to a European club could be an option.
Irvine has already admitted that the club’s recruitment policy over the summer was rushed out of necessity, after 13 players departed at the end of last season.
But he has still been disappointed with the lack of impact from many of the squad’s new arrivals and will allow some of them to leave to fund new signings.
Joel Campbell, the Arsenal and Costa Rica forward, has been linked with a loan move to the Hawthorns yet Albion are more concerned with finding potential new clubs for their fringe players.
Albion could receive offers for Sweden international Jonas Olsson in January but insist he will not be sold.

Read more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11265034/Alan-Irvine-prepared-to-offload-five-of-West-Broms-summer-signings-in-January-as-he-seeks-winning-formula.html
Can only imagine what would happen if we let Irvine loose with signings of his own  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 12:35:13 PM
Varela - 115 Games for Porto , 30 goals.
          - 26 Games for Portugal , 5 goals.
Fit for a few weeks now yet can't even get on our bench ahead of Baird etc ?
Baffling. "Haven't impressed on the training pitch " is something seen regarding these players in the local press , sorry you don't play 150 times for Porto in Varela's case and train badly and the other signings fall in the same issue IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 12:36:54 PM
Can you imagine our only 'creativity' is Morrison and Brunt.

This guy needs to go now before we've gone past the point of no return.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
::)
Alan Irvine prepared to offload five of West Brom's summer signings in January as he seeks winning formula
West Brom manager admits he's been disappointed with many of his summer signings, who we accepts were rushed in out of necessity


Overhaul: Alan Irvine is planning to revamp his squad in January  By John Percy11:21AM GMT 01 Dec 2014

Alan Irvine is ready to jettison five of West Bromwich Albion’s summer signings as he prepares to revamp his squad in January.
Irvine will allow Portugal international Silvestre Varela, Chris Baird, Jason Davidson and Sebastian Blanco to leave while the future of £10million record signing Brown Ideye remains uncertain.
Albion signed 10 players over the summer in a frantic bid to strengthen the squad but many of them have failed to impress, with Varela failing to make a Premier League appearance so far.
The 29-year-old winger, who played and scored at the World Cup, signed on a season-long loan from Porto and Albion are already looking into the possibility of scrapping the deal in the New Year.
Baird, Davidson and Blanco have also had limited opportunities and though they may be given games over the Christmas period, they are effectively fighting for their futures before the January transfer window opens

Ideye, the club’s marquee signing from Dynamo Kiev, is still on the fringes of the squad and though there is a determination to help him emerge from his troubled start, a short-term move to a European club could be an option.
Irvine has already admitted that the club’s recruitment policy over the summer was rushed out of necessity, after 13 players departed at the end of last season.
But he has still been disappointed with the lack of impact from many of the squad’s new arrivals and will allow some of them to leave to fund new signings.
Joel Campbell, the Arsenal and Costa Rica forward, has been linked with a loan move to the Hawthorns yet Albion are more concerned with finding potential new clubs for their fringe players.
Albion could receive offers for Sweden international Jonas Olsson in January but insist he will not be sold.

Read more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11265034/Alan-Irvine-prepared-to-offload-five-of-West-Broms-summer-signings-in-January-as-he-seeks-winning-formula.html
Can only imagine what would happen if we let Irvine loose with signings of his own  :o
It's a terrifying thought that one man- Alan Irvine- could decide these players' futures here. There's absolutely no way these players should go simply because he refuses to play them in his ultra negative style. They're internationals with proven quality.

Thankfully, I doubt Peace would let it happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
::)
Alan Irvine prepared to offload five of West Brom's summer signings in January as he seeks winning formula
West Brom manager admits he's been disappointed with many of his summer signings, who we accepts were rushed in out of necessity


Overhaul: Alan Irvine is planning to revamp his squad in January  By John Percy11:21AM GMT 01 Dec 2014

Alan Irvine is ready to jettison five of West Bromwich Albion’s summer signings as he prepares to revamp his squad in January.
Irvine will allow Portugal international Silvestre Varela, Chris Baird, Jason Davidson and Sebastian Blanco to leave while the future of £10million record signing Brown Ideye remains uncertain.
Albion signed 10 players over the summer in a frantic bid to strengthen the squad but many of them have failed to impress, with Varela failing to make a Premier League appearance so far.
The 29-year-old winger, who played and scored at the World Cup, signed on a season-long loan from Porto and Albion are already looking into the possibility of scrapping the deal in the New Year.
Baird, Davidson and Blanco have also had limited opportunities and though they may be given games over the Christmas period, they are effectively fighting for their futures before the January transfer window opens

Ideye, the club’s marquee signing from Dynamo Kiev, is still on the fringes of the squad and though there is a determination to help him emerge from his troubled start, a short-term move to a European club could be an option.
Irvine has already admitted that the club’s recruitment policy over the summer was rushed out of necessity, after 13 players departed at the end of last season.
But he has still been disappointed with the lack of impact from many of the squad’s new arrivals and will allow some of them to leave to fund new signings.
Joel Campbell, the Arsenal and Costa Rica forward, has been linked with a loan move to the Hawthorns yet Albion are more concerned with finding potential new clubs for their fringe players.
Albion could receive offers for Sweden international Jonas Olsson in January but insist he will not be sold.

Read more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11265034/Alan-Irvine-prepared-to-offload-five-of-West-Broms-summer-signings-in-January-as-he-seeks-winning-formula.html
Can only imagine what would happen if we let Irvine loose with signings of his own  :o
funny how the old guard isn't mentioned ,the ones who are actually playing week in week out and letting us down, but players who never play need replacing .i despair at what replacements he will target no doubt for every attacking player released a defensive one will be recruited.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 12:39:21 PM
Varela - 115 Games for Porto , 30 goals.
          - 26 Games for Portugal , 5 goals.
Fit for a few weeks now yet can't even get on our bench ahead of Baird etc ?
Baffling.
When you combine that with Blanco, Ideye and Gamboa's consistent exclusion, it's almost enough on it's own for Irvine to be sent packing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
You wait until he plays Baird at left back tomorrow night!  :o

And I wish I was joking!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 01, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
This is so scary, i dont think I will sleep tonight!!!

::)
Alan Irvine prepared to offload five of West Brom's summer signings in January as he seeks winning formula
West Brom manager admits he's been disappointed with many of his summer signings, who we accepts were rushed in out of necessity


Overhaul: Alan Irvine is planning to revamp his squad in January  By John Percy11:21AM GMT 01 Dec 2014

Alan Irvine is ready to jettison five of West Bromwich Albion’s summer signings as he prepares to revamp his squad in January.
Irvine will allow Portugal international Silvestre Varela, Chris Baird, Jason Davidson and Sebastian Blanco to leave while the future of £10million record signing Brown Ideye remains uncertain.
Albion signed 10 players over the summer in a frantic bid to strengthen the squad but many of them have failed to impress, with Varela failing to make a Premier League appearance so far.
The 29-year-old winger, who played and scored at the World Cup, signed on a season-long loan from Porto and Albion are already looking into the possibility of scrapping the deal in the New Year.
Baird, Davidson and Blanco have also had limited opportunities and though they may be given games over the Christmas period, they are effectively fighting for their futures before the January transfer window opens

Ideye, the club’s marquee signing from Dynamo Kiev, is still on the fringes of the squad and though there is a determination to help him emerge from his troubled start, a short-term move to a European club could be an option.
Irvine has already admitted that the club’s recruitment policy over the summer was rushed out of necessity, after 13 players departed at the end of last season.
But he has still been disappointed with the lack of impact from many of the squad’s new arrivals and will allow some of them to leave to fund new signings.
Joel Campbell, the Arsenal and Costa Rica forward, has been linked with a loan move to the Hawthorns yet Albion are more concerned with finding potential new clubs for their fringe players.
Albion could receive offers for Sweden international Jonas Olsson in January but insist he will not be sold.

Read more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11265034/Alan-Irvine-prepared-to-offload-five-of-West-Broms-summer-signings-in-January-as-he-seeks-winning-formula.html
Can only imagine what would happen if we let Irvine loose with signings of his own  :o

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
What I will say in support of Irvine is that 3 home wins in around 22 matches suggests there's a deeper problem within the club, Like Oldbury said the whole thing needs a clearout.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 12:42:53 PM
Am I wrong in saying that in pre season Irvine said he had the last say in all signings?

Surely that means hes at fault for the players he constantly doesnt pick not being good enough?

The more I read about the guy and the more nonsense he comes out with, I want him gone asap.

How he can sit there and say Varela isnt good enough, after spending the last 2 months talking about his fitness and hes close to first team to then not pick a portuguese international with years of champions league experience is beyond me.

Ive had enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
This man cant be trusted to recommend any footballer to the club.What i have heard today makes me more angry.I hope its hostile tomorrow night. i can stomach one more defeat if it means hes gone on Wednesday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
When you combine that with Blanco, Ideye and Varela's consistent exclusion, it's almost enough on it's own for Irvine to be sent packing.
It's certainly a smack in the face for Burton and co , I'm sorry to say Irvine's a nice bloke and i wanted him to do well but I'm tired of watching awful football . I have no idea who we would get but things are not going to improve under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 01, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
will be very disappointed if he is here long enough to make those decisions!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
does anyone else think we have potentially an exciting attacking bunch of footballers at our disposal
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
does anyone else think we have potentially an exciting attacking bunch of footballers at our disposal
I certainly do. Such a shame we'll never get to see them play and they'll never get their opportunity thanks to a single, archaic manager
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 12:54:11 PM
does anyone else think we have potentially an exciting attacking bunch of footballers at our disposal
Yes i do , unless I'm missing something behind closed doors this job should be fairly straight forward .
A squad of Foster , Lescott , Poco , Gamboa, Yacob , Varela , Saido , Samaras , Blanco , Brunt , Ideye , Gardner plus the usual suspects looks on paper a well balanced squad to me...maybe a little short up front but the rest is fine .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:55:16 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?


Chris
Thats a dam sight better than what we have.I would take any of those in the short term
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 12:55:39 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?
I've been impressed with McInnes at Aberdeen but it is only Scottish football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 12:56:15 PM
The more that I read, the more I worry.  This guy seems completely out of his depth.

Something has to change, and if he wants to take this seriously and take us forward he has to include players that we have signed to play on the wing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 12:56:24 PM
does anyone else think we have potentially an exciting attacking bunch of footballers at our disposal
yeah a few some ain't up to it though and I would look to build on valera, Berahino, Lescott, poco, the rest ain't much cop if you ask me oh and foster of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:56:52 PM
Please no more Jock coaches :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 12:58:24 PM
I've been impressed with McInnes at Aberdeen but it is only Scottish football.


I did say no more Jocks but Mcinnes and big dave, clear the rest
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 12:59:13 PM
does anyone else think we have potentially an exciting attacking bunch of footballers at our disposal
without a doubt, but how will we ever know how good it could be if its never tried. just sick  and tired of hearing about his poxy excuses after every match. quality international players not good enough for albion according to man whose managerial cv is pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 01, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Well that's my lunch break ruined reading this!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Varela - 115 Games for Porto , 30 goals.
          - 26 Games for Portugal , 5 goals.
Fit for a few weeks now yet can't even get on our bench ahead of Baird etc ?
Baffling. "Haven't impressed on the training pitch " is something seen regarding these players in the local press , sorry you don't play 150 times for Porto in Varela's case and train badly and the other signings fall in the same issue IMO.

Too much talk of those who aren't performing on the training pitch, what about those who aren't performing on a Saturday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
can we have a new poll to see if theres much change in peoples opinions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 01, 2014, 01:11:02 PM
There's absolutely no way I can see Peace and the board sanctioning ANOTHER upheaval of players in January. We signed 11 players in the summer, having to completely overhaul the squad every transfer window is not the way to run a football club.

I can't see that Irvine would have us playing a different style in training to what we see on match-day so I think it's a fair assumption that Varela will be playing in training as a tucked-in, right midfielder whose main responsibility is seemingly to help try and cover the deficiencies of the player behind him(be it Wisdom or Gamboa) No wonder he isn't really impressing that much.

Some of the things he is coming out with now in the press are extremely worrying, and I don't see him lasting past the Hull game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 01:11:36 PM
Too much talk of those who aren't performing on the training pitch, what about those who aren't performing on a Saturday?
Exactly mate , i refuse to accept this training pitch line for all of those players ....you simply don't play at the level some of these players have if you don't train correctly ...maybe it's Irvine's training methods that are wrong .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 01:11:56 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?

What about Mark Warburton at Brentford.  Doing a phenomenal job, they currently sit 3rd in the Championship, just a point behind the leaders Derby. Already well known to our board, was apparently on the shortlist to replace Ashworth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 01:15:26 PM
Too much talk of those who aren't performing on the training pitch, what about those who aren't performing on a Saturday?

Precisely works both ways doesn't it. Could be terrible in training but great on the pitch. I'd put money on the likes of Berbatov being terrible in training apart from tricks, but produces magic on the pitch.

Are they not hitting the 'red zones' he likes to talk about?  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?

Jol, Pulis, Mel, Curbishley, McClaren, Howe and Southgate I would happily rather see here than AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?
things are bad enough, please please don't put dave jones on any potential replacements, just couldn't take it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: row ww on December 01, 2014, 01:34:29 PM
What we need is someone like Gary Rowett.Arrives at Birmingham, who are in the relegation zone,states that was has happened before means nothing,everyone gets a chance to prove themselves and hey presto,Players suddenly get a belief and they start winning!

Irvine has already decided that half the Summer signings are no good without even giving them a chance and allowing apathy to develop within the rest of the squad! Players being picked no matter how poor they are playing,in a system that inspires no one,creates no problems for the opposition,and has helped the Home support to become disillusioned before a ball has even been kicked!

Supporters will vote with their feet and stay away! Those that attend the home matches will become more and more hostile if results and performances don't improve.JP has only himself to blame for what was and still is an appalling appointment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 01:38:26 PM
What we need is someone like Gary Rowett.Arrives at Birmingham, who are in the relegation zone,states that was has happened before means nothing,everyone gets a chance to prove themselves and hey presto,Players suddenly get a belief and they start winning!

Irvine has already decided that half the Summer signings are no good without even giving them a chance and allowing apathy to develop within the rest of the squad! Players being picked no matter how poor they are playing,in a system that inspires no one,creates no problems for the opposition,and has helped the Home support to become disillusioned before a ball has even been kicked!

Supporters will vote with their feet and stay away! Those that attend the home matches will become more and more hostile if results and performances don't improve.JP has only himself to blame for what was and still is an appalling appointment

Spot on. The ones that are playing know they are safe to be picked week in week out. Not good enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 01, 2014, 01:40:47 PM
well thats half the squad totally demotivated, I cannot believe this article has been published without an instant denial by the club.
If there is any hint of this coming from the club, its a bloody disgrace, where are the PR team?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2014, 01:41:37 PM
The scariest thing for me is the fact that he seems so assured that he will still be orchestrating things in January! Is he just deluded or has he been given assurances?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
Wasn't Irvine in post for all of the summer signings? Supposedly, he's required to rubber-stamp the signings so that no-one is signed who he doesn't want to sign? He seems to be trying to distance himself from them at present.

One thing's for sure, decisions are being made about them without them having had a fair opportunity to prove their worth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2014, 01:47:29 PM
can we have a new poll to see if theres much change in peoples opinions.

poll reset as requested with an UNDECIDED option added
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
Our performances under Irvine are going exactly as we expected them to, and exactly as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans warned they would. Which makes Peace's (and Burton's) decision to appoint him all the more incredible
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2014, 01:50:46 PM
I ticked stay by mistake. How can I amend it?  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
I ticked stay by mistake. How can I amend it?  >:(
Tick go twice?  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 01, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
well, I was in the lets see how he does camp up until the last 3 games. Sadly i have voted sack him, its not working and the noises coming from the club are very disturbing.
I can only see us disappearing in ignomony if the status quo remains.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 01, 2014, 01:53:14 PM
I ticked stay by mistake. How can I amend it?  >:(

Try the remove vote option and vote again. One time offer nly as once you have done that option will be removed  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
Try the remove vote option and vote again. One time offer nly as once you have done that option will be removed  :D

Cheers Oldbury! I have now correctly cast my vote  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 01, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
Precisely works both ways doesn't it. Could be terrible in training but great on the pitch. I'd put money on the likes of Berbatov being terrible in training apart from tricks, but produces magic on the pitch.

Are they not hitting the 'red zones' he likes to talk about?  ::)
You do start to wonder if the likes of Mozza, Dorrans, Gardener, Brunt et al are displaying that great British spirit by busting an absolute gut in training every week, impressing AI, Dingle Downing and Kiely with their huff and bluster and ensuring selection.  While the foreign lads are perhaps slightly more cultured and less intense in the way they train.

Tevez is said to never get out of second gear in training, it’s not that he is a poor trainer but he doesn’t like to train with great intensity, this is enables him to explode into life on a matchday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 01, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
There appears to be an awful lot of panic on this thread, has something happened?
 :D ;).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
poll reset as requested with an UNDECIDED option added
thanks, theres a lot of quick voting going on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
I used to sit in the Halfords directly behind him, well up until the weekends game. All he does is look at his Rolex most the game.Has it got his departure date on it or something
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 02:20:12 PM
Up until the last few games I was more than happy to give him my backing.

No one on here expected anything from Chelsea or Arsenal, but we at least expected to see us have a go at them, especially Arsenal who have been vunerable at the back all season.

To go 5 games without a game isnt good enough, and regardless of if you set up to not concede, you still have to offer something going forward.

The performances and the lack of intent to attack teams has been worrying for a while, but what has tipped me over the egde are his comments today, to even defend your tactics and say that we are set up to attack is shambolic.

Todays comments have shown that Irvine is out of his depth here, and regardless of the result tomorow night, it will just be preventing the inevitable sacking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbasoprano on December 01, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
Time to go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 02:51:09 PM
Tweet from WM : #wba Irvine says he was "hurt, stung and taken aback" by fans' reaction to Sessegnon being replaced by Samaras on Saturday.

You're absolutely deluded Alan. You knew the fans didn't want you in the first place. Yet you come out with stupid comments like this.

How clueless is this guy? He must live in a dream world where Dorrans is a pacy winger and Varela and Blanco are defensive mids.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 01, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
Tweet from WM : #wba Irvine says he was "hurt, stung and taken aback" by fans' reaction to Sessegnon being replaced by Samaras on Saturday.

You're absolutely deluded Alan. You knew the fans didn't want you, someone must have told you the fans want width. Yet you come out with stupid comments like this.

How clueless is this guy? He must live in a dream world where Dorrans is a pacy winger and Varela and Blanco are defensive mids.

Hes got a right shock coming if the form and performances continue. The reception will be hostile.

That comment and the press comments today wont have done him any favours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 01, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
I have some sympathy for Irvine regarding the fans reaction to the Sess sub, i am a big fan of Sess and would try and include him most games to start as he can do something out of nothing. However, he like everybody else shouldnt be immune from being dropped or subbed if necessary, Sess played well against Man United and aside from that i cant remember his last good game, he did nothing again Saturday and so why not try somebody else, Samaras seems to be a scapegoat already with some fans yet not seen what he has done wrong.

Now i know the same could be said for Brunt and Dorrans, neither have played well lately and could / should be dropped or subbed but he chose Sess and we actually played better and began to threaten a bit with the sub so that would suggest it wasnt such a bad decisions after all. Whether it was too late, we werent playing to Sess strengths, etc is for another topic but i do think booing the sub was harsh, it was an attacking sub, not exactly putting Baird on to make things happen!

On a side note regarding Irvine, its down to him now, first 10 x games were okay and there were positives, last few very poor so hopefully he will see setting up to not get beat doesnt work for us and go back to what we were gradually trying to do (not without setbacks) i think the next 3 x games are crucial and he needs a big response, he was never wanted and it wasnt going to take much for fans to start having a go, large sections of the fans have turned already and unless we are more positive i think most others will too so its down to him now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 01, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
Just trying to list potential replacements (the more likely ones anyway).

The list isn't great in truth.

Martin Jol - possible
Dave Jones
Steve Clarke
Tony Pulis
Pepe Mel
Alan Curbishley
Steve McClaren
Eddie Howe
Gareth Southgate

None of the available ones fill me with much excitement tbh. Any i've missed?

Here is my two cence

Martin Jol - possible
Dave Jones - dear god no
Steve Clarke - won't happen
Tony Pulis - won't happen
Pepe Mel - won't happen
Alan Curbishley - possible
Steve McClaren - won't happen (derby flying)
Eddie Howe - won't happen (bournemouth flying and gets homesick hence leaving Burnley)
Gareth Southgate - possible
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 01, 2014, 03:17:18 PM
He seems like a nice guy but being nice isn't good enough in this league. A week or so ago I really wanted to give him a fair chance and see him do well. Although now I'm just fed up because the football and tactics are so negative. I'm not being funny but the recruitment team also have to take some stick. All of us on this forum could see Chris Baird was a pointless and poor signing so why couldn't Irvine or the recruitment team?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 01, 2014, 03:24:42 PM
Well the polling so far looks like a middle finger. Make of that what you will  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
Well the polling so far looks like a middle finger. Make of that what you will  ;)

Looks more like a phallic symbol. A bit like Irvine really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Tweet from WM : #wba Irvine says he was "hurt, stung and taken aback" by fans' reaction to Sessegnon being replaced by Samaras on Saturday.
He does seem to be on a different planet to the rest of us. Still, we know he thinks (a la Alan Buckley) that fans don't know what they're talking about, so he shouldn't be surprised by anything that happens, when we're all basically a bunch of idiotic muppets!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 03:58:29 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/01/albion-boss-alan-irvine-fans-should-lay-off-west-brom/

“I can’t tell them they have to be patient.

“I’d like them to bear with us but I can’t demand that. It’s up to them how they want to react and behave when they come to the games.

 â€œWe’re working as hard as we can to get results. I’m not a negative coach, I’m a purist, I want us to attack, but I have to be realistic.

“It hurts. I’d be telling lies if I said it didn’t sting. I made a decision that I thought might get us back into the game and it nearly worked.

“We were more dangerous in that last period of the game. It could have worked and people might have been feeling differently about it then.

“I can get just as frustrated as the fans can when these things don’t come off. The players are working hard.

“The fans are our supporters, we’re hoping they will be there to support us.

“I know that it works both ways and we’ve got to give the fans things to cheer about.

“In the difficult times we probably could do with our fans being exactly that – our supporters.

“They want exactly the same as we all want. We all want to win games.

“We have a better chance of winning games if we’re all together, the fans, the players, the whole club.”

And Irvine again hit out at suggestions he is a cautious coach.

“We have to work as a team,” he said.

“We don’t have lots of individuals who can do something on their own.
“Our work has been about going forward, the majority of our sessions about going forward.

“We go into every game with a plan of how we’re going to attack as well as how we need to defend.”

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Alan Irvine thinks he is a 'purist'. I've read it all now Alan, go home, you're drunk.

The behave comment has amused me as well. Strange thing to come out and say, like the Albion fans are a bunch of kids.

Also, what lovely comments about your team, basically we have a bunch of plodders.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/01/albion-boss-alan-irvine-fans-should-lay-off-west-brom/

“I can’t tell them they have to be patient.

“I’d like them to bear with us but I can’t demand that. It’s up to them how they want to react and behave when they come to the games.

 â€œWe’re working as hard as we can to get results. I’m not a negative coach, I’m a purist, I want us to attack, but I have to be realistic.

“It hurts. I’d be telling lies if I said it didn’t sting. I made a decision that I thought might get us back into the game and it nearly worked.

“We were more dangerous in that last period of the game. It could have worked and people might have been feeling differently about it then.

“I can get just as frustrated as the fans can when these things don’t come off. The players are working hard.

“The fans are our supporters, we’re hoping they will be there to support us.

“I know that it works both ways and we’ve got to give the fans things to cheer about.

“In the difficult times we probably could do with our fans being exactly that – our supporters.

“They want exactly the same as we all want. We all want to win games.

“We have a better chance of winning games if we’re all together, the fans, the players, the whole club.”

And Irvine again hit out at suggestions he is a cautious coach.

“We have to work as a team,” he said.

“We don’t have lots of individuals who can do something on their own.
“Our work has been about going forward, the majority of our sessions about going forward.

“We go into every game with a plan of how we’re going to attack as well as how we need to defend.”


Alan Irvine think he is a 'purist'. I've read it all now Alan, go home, you're drunk.

The behave comment has amused me as well. Strange thing to come out and say, like the Albion fans are a bunch of kids.
I feel a bit sorry for him because he should never have been given the job in the first place and is obviously out of his depth, but even so, some of this is insulting.

Honestly don't quite know what to make of some of that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 01, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/west-bromwich-albion/383/blog/post/2173659/west-brom-attack-stifled-by-alan-irvines-conservative-approach
Interesting it's not just us in the club noticing his clear flaws
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 01, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/west-bromwich-albion/383/blog/post/2173659/west-brom-attack-stifled-by-alan-irvines-conservative-approach
Interesting it's not just us in the club noticing his clear flaws

That's an Albion blogger writing that for ESPN pal
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 01, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
Fair enough he hits nail on the head though
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 04:25:47 PM
If he is still here at the end of the season and he takes us down is he the man to bring us back up and will you renew your season ticket knowing what you have to look forward too?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
If he is still here at the end of the season and he takes us down is he the man to bring us back up and will you renew your season ticket knowing what you have to look forward too?
If he's still here in January, I won't be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 01, 2014, 04:51:14 PM
Adrian Durham wants us to call the show reference you dont know what your doing chants. go call him folks
WM tonight should be good listening too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
I feel a bit sorry for him because he should never have been given the job in the first place and is obviously out of his depth, but even so, some of this is insulting.

I don't.

On thousands of pounds a week and will get a big pay off. He didn't have to accpet the job either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 05:15:14 PM
Inspiring thoughts from the head coach here:

Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9588763/irvine-admits-pressure-is-on)

You can add the fixture list to the list of those to blame!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 01, 2014, 05:25:40 PM
Inspiring thoughts from the head coach here:

Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9588763/irvine-admits-pressure-is-on)

You can add the fixture list to the list of those to blame!  :D

He's got a point about the last three games, it's not like we've lost to Burnley, QPR and Leicester. The next few games will be the test, if we don't have a shot in the first half against West Ham then I will be very concerned.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 01, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Comments from Irvine are condescending tripe......he appears to be out of touch with reality.

If i were JP i would take the Bull by the Horns and show some leadership, because no one else is, and:

1.Sack the Recruitment staff, as it appears most of our summer signings are rubbish, if not why arent they playing?

2. Sack the entire First team Coaching staff, including Irvine after we lose to West Ham.

3.Recruit a proper Manager/leader with his own backroom staff and ditch this current system where no one takes responsibility for anything.

Replacement?.....Stevie Wonder hes got more vision.
                            ABI.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 01, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
The fans are on his back, he will be gone soon. Look at how many empty seats there were against arsenal. Not seen so many against a big club since we've been promoted. He is an awful manager and the fans will not take to him. Now he is blaming everyone else, pathetic excuse of a manager. Personally I will be surprised if we get 20000 against west ham. First game I'm missing voluntarily for 15 years and know plenty who aren't going. If he gets rid of some of the players without giving them a chance then that will frustrate even more. This is the best set of players we've had since being in the prem. time to go now alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
He's got a point about the last three games, it's not like we've lost to Burnley, QPR and Leicester.
Arsenal have been dodgy at the back of late and had a keeper making his debut. That cried out for an attacking approach and yet we instead failed to even have a shot until the 54th minute. Was this because of Arsenal's excellent play? No it wasn't, we just didn't get players forward.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 01, 2014, 05:49:18 PM
I think even if we get hammered tomorrow (see what I did there) he will still be kept on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 01, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Its taken me all day - in between doing worthwhile tasks - to catch up on this thread since late friday.  I can't believe just how tenacious and conciousness some of the defenders of Irvine are.  Its like Rourke's Drift!

There are so many comparisons with previous managers - who are all failures here at West Brom (Hodgson excepted) - and anyone who is going to be successful has to do better.  The thing that Hodgson had was a balance between being very organised and resilient and being able to break and score - and that carried on into the beginnings of Clarke's reign thanks to Lukaku.  Despite RH's desire to play 4-4-2 he played to the strength of the players and they really suited a 4-2-3-1.  I would argue that the current team would suit that system much better too.  Whatever way I look at it Irvine is not playing to the players strength - he is trying to pick a team suit the system he prefers.

On Saturday I had a spare ticket and took a friend who is an Arsenal fan.  I told him how we would play.  2 banks of 4.  Very narrow.  Long balls to short attackers.  Resilient.  No attacking ambition.  Try to stay in the game and if we still have a chance in the last 10 minutes give it a go.  I thought we'd lose 0-2, but its amazing just how predictable we have become.

I am going tomorrow.  I go with 3 cronnies.  We will only be using 2 of our 4 seats tomorrow.  I am going because one of my mates already has his travel booked from his home in Amsterdam and I don't want to let him down.  He wouldn't be coming it he hadn't bought cheap flights a while ago.  In which case there would have been 4, paid for, empty seats.  That's how much we're enjoying it.

West Ham are doing better than Arsenal so I can only imagine how we'll set up and play against a team that are better than the oh so mighty Arsenal.  Perhaps we'll try 5-5-0?

I have no idea who should replace Irvine, but he definitely should be replaced, and the sooner the better.  However, I would like Peace to have someone lined up rather than spend a month in total limbo.  I think the right person depends on the role that we want them to fulfil.  I think that the last 2 due dithering processes have shown that the cupboard is bare if you are looking for a head coach to fit into our system.  So, we have to re-organise and appoint for a different role.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 01, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
The reason for that was because he was brought in specifically to introduce a new way of playing and yet wasn't backed by either the board or the other coaches in any way, shape or form. Blame him for that if you want, but I don't.


Spot on WorcsWBA,  l said it in past posts it wasn't so much of what he did with the team he had it was what he could do for us with a team of his players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on December 01, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Excellent post Mr cynical . If you look at our team set up we have one striker in saiido , one attacking midfielder in sess . The midfield consists of brunt and dorrans who are at best championship class . Mulumbu who is hot and cold and Gardner who is ok . So out of four midfield players 1 is up to scratch imho . The 2 full backs aren't allowed to attack or overlap so what chance do we have of scoring goals . NEGATIVE and BORING . Last year we were lucky . If we carry on in this we we are heading down . It's time to give blanco varela ideye and the Greek god a chance and try to beat teams especially at home .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 01, 2014, 07:39:21 PM
If he thinks the fans were bad on Saturday then he better not lose to west ham and villa otherwise the at atmosphere at those games could be horrific.

Really can't see him being sacked this season though which is worrying.

How can anyone with a squad that we have got which is probably our best squad not able to attack teams is unforgivable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on December 01, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
No excuse for tomorrow night . If he sets team up the same he deserves all he gets .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 01, 2014, 08:25:57 PM
west ham get an early goal the fans will be on his back even more , lets see if this great coach who has all the players on side can ye right ! can get a result . think villa game be the one lose that be getting sacked in the morning will be ringing out loud from all sides of the ground .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on December 01, 2014, 08:30:26 PM
Excellent Post Mr Cynical!

Long ball to short attackers and playing very narrow is bang on!

Playing narrow as we do we really need quality from full back going forward, this is why Gamboa is a must start for me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 01, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Excellent Post Mr Cynical!

Long ball to short attackers and playing very narrow is bang on!

Playing narrow as we do we really need quality from full back going forward, this is why Gamboa is a must start for me!
Not quite bang on in my view. I still think that there's less long ball than under Hodgson or Clarke...the problem Saturday and in recent home games generally was lack of movement and lack of tempo. Also lack of bodies in the box. Dorrans got one cross over 1st half and there was literally no-one in the box. Saido was stationary on the edge of the box and as usual no-one taking a risk and getting in the box from midfield.
I do agree Gamboa must start, and give him the next 5 games to get up to speed...we have to get more attacking threat from somewhere. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 01, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 09:38:22 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.
he should just shut up and stop talking nonsense, if these players are never going to be ready why the bloody hell sign them. the mans on a self destruct mission.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.
This is mental.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 01, 2014, 09:48:43 PM
I don't.

On thousands of pounds a week and will get a big pay off. He didn't have to accpet the job either.

'He didn't have to accept the job either.' Unbelievable. He might be pooh but having a go at him for accepting the job is ridiculous. What's he supposed to say 'no thanks, stick your job and salary, I'm bloody awful.'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 01, 2014, 09:52:20 PM
He's right to an extent that players who have no pre season never really catch up. The players themselves will admit that. Unfortunately it happens every year with us. Lessons are never learned. The issue here is that the team are playing poorly that change has to happen regardless of whether the others are at 100% or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
He's right to an extent that players who have no pre season never really catch up. The players themselves will admit that. Unfortunately it happens every year with us. Lessons are never learned. The issue here is that the team are playing poorly that change has to happen regardless of whether the others are at 100% or not.
didn't brunt and Morrison both miss a chunk of pre season though, yet both play but the new signing aint ready because they missed pre season. stinks of double standards
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 01, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
What's he supposed to say 'no thanks, stick your job and salary, I'm bloody awful.'

In short yes.

I wouldn't accept a job as a doctor as I don't have the qualifications or experience.

Same as I wouldn't accpet a job as a mechanic or tv repair man.

If I did i'd be out of a job within weeks.

My point is I don't feel sorry for him because he knew how the fans would react to his appointment and he knew how they'd react after a bad run of form. Yet he still took the job.

He took the praise when he got those couple of good results he should be man enough to take the flack instead of blaming everyone else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 01, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.

Same team tomorrow then.

Another boring, sterile performance.

I cannot contain my excitement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 01, 2014, 10:15:17 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.
Moron , simple as. Talk about asking to be sacked , comparing himself and us to Jose and Chelsea ??? :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
He's right to an extent that players who have no pre season never really catch up. The players themselves will admit that. Unfortunately it happens every year with us. Lessons are never learned. The issue here is that the team are playing poorly that change has to happen regardless of whether the others are at 100% or not.
I'm so far from convinced by this argument- Morrison, Brunt and Lescott each barely had a pre season and are guaranteed by Irvine to start every game.

It's incredible for him to suggest that players who didn't get a full pre-season can't break into the team and perform as well as any other player can. I'd list examples but I'd end up listing about a quarter of all the players who start for their clubs in the Premier League...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 01, 2014, 10:16:20 PM
'He didn't have to accept the job either.' Unbelievable. He might be pooh but having a go at him for accepting the job is ridiculous. What's he supposed to say 'no thanks, stick your job and salary, I'm bloody awful.'

did he not do that last time we tried to sign him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 01, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
I really did begin reading the words you wanted to see then as I thought it said "Irvine LIKELY to hand starts to fringe players." Which made the whole article even more confusing. Surely pre-season makes no difference if you then get hardly any minutes for 4 months like Baird.

Bored of this, c'mon Irvine at least make a couple of positive changes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 01, 2014, 10:22:05 PM
'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

I must admit I'm totally failing to understand Irvine's Earth logic. In all seriousness, I'm getting angrier and angrier with each ridiculous quote I read from him. Messrs Swain and Lepkowski really ought to be telling him to shut up for a while. I really don't know where to begin with these latest pearls of wisdom, other than to say that I absolutely despair, and so must the players who can't get into the side (or even the squad) as a result of this crazy reasoning.

So now this buffoon reckons he can't get an international player fit enough to play a game of football in 5 months?
Idiot
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 01, 2014, 10:24:28 PM
Wasnt Lescott injured for most of pre-season?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 01, 2014, 10:26:20 PM
Wasnt Lescott injured for most of pre-season?

That is a very good point you make.

If Irvine doesn't rate the players either he should come out and say so or say nothing at all because whatever he does will just trip himself up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeb-Dog on December 01, 2014, 10:31:20 PM
What does he think he is hiding from Big Sam? Big Sam has to guess one thing - is Sess or Anicebe starting? Otherwise it's the same formulation and tactics we've been playing all season from our meticulously prepared head coach and his rabble of merry men we call our coaching team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 10:34:23 PM
That is a very good point you make.

If Irvine doesn't rate the players either he should come out and say so or say nothing at all because whatever he does will just trip himself up.
just another nail in his coffin with another contradictory statement, keep firing them Irvine the exit door awaits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 10:38:26 PM
I think for Irvine, it's all going to boil down to his refusal to play Ideye, Varela, Blanco and Gamboa. After today's reports that Irvine is already looking to get rid of these players, I think it's inevitable that Peace is going to step in and sack him. There's just no way he'll be prepared to give up on these investments without giving them a chance first, which is what Irvine is pushing for. I suspect it's now just a case of waiting for the right time to sack him, and I hope a loss to West Ham tomorrow will be sufficient.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 01, 2014, 10:43:07 PM
I think for Irvine, it's all going to boil down to his refusal to play Ideye, Varela, Blanco and Gamboa. After today's reports that Irvine is already looking to get rid of these players, I think it's inevitable that Peace is going to step in and sack him. There's just no way he'll be prepared to give up on these investments without giving them a chance first, which is what Irvine is pushing for. I suspect it's now just a case of waiting for the right time to sack him, and I hope a loss to West Ham tomorrow will be sufficient.

Spot on. I wonder what the agents fees were for getting these players in and then to get them out the door without playing a game and replacements in, cannot see how JP will agree to that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 01, 2014, 10:45:47 PM

'Alan Irvine is unlikely to hand starts to his fringe players against West Ham. Supporters are looking to the likes of Silvestre Varela and Sebastian Blanco to break the club’s barren spell in front of goal. But the Head Coach said: “It’s a shame for the boys who came in late (in the summer). I said right at the beginning what a big task it was for them coming in late in pre-season. The players who we signed early came in and got to know the lads started pre-season with us and they’re the ones who are playing in the team: Wisdom, Gardner, Pocognoli, Lescott and Baird to some extent. They were all here. The ones who aren’t in the team are the ones who weren’t here. I said at the beginning how difficult it is to catch up.

“Pre-season is there for a reason, to get you ready for the season and if you miss pre-season the games have started, the training goes down and before you know it it becomes that vicious circle: you can’t get in the team because you’re not ready to get into the team, others are playing and are getting more and more capable of playing at the levels that they need to be playing at. The others are falling behind even if they train extra. So it is extremely difficult. I feel for them, I really do because they train really hard on a day to day basis.

“It’s funny I heard Jose Mourinho talking about the players who can’t get in his team at the moment. He is playing the same team on Saturday, European game, Saturday. He was saying the others were training hard and doing the best they can and they will be called upon and when they are called upon they have to be as ready as they possibly can be. We are in the same position with these boys.”

Irvine is keeping any changes close to his chest tomorrow: “I’m giving Sam (Allardyce) no clues whatsoever! I haven’t even told the players what the team is yet. To be honest I haven’t finalised the team yet. Normally they’d go away the day before a game knowing what the team is. But we’ve had limited time to do all the work that we need to do and I’m certainly not telling Sam what we might do! We have a squad to pick from and we will pick from that squad.”'

Source: Birmingham Mail[/url
 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-v-west-ham-8208403)

If I was a fan of any other club, I would find this side-splittingly funny. As I'm not, I find it embarrassing and an insult to our fans' intelligence. What kind of a coach operates on such double standards (given the number of the current team who missed at least some of pre season) and expects to be taken seriously. In any case, he is the head coach, so it's his job to get them fit and up to scratch. If he can't do it, as he suggests, he is clearly admitting that he isn't up to the job. And comparing us to Chelsea and himself to Mourinho is just cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 01, 2014, 11:18:11 PM
What does he think he is hiding from Big Sam? Big Sam has to guess one thing - is Sess or Anicebe starting? Otherwise it's the same formulation and tactics we've been playing all season from our meticulously prepared head coach and his rabble of merry men we call our coaching team.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. I'm trying to be nice to the poor man so I'll refrain from further comment.

The situation is quickly becoming increasingly bizarre, and we were warned about that as well by fellow fans.

Serious questions needs to be asked about how on earth our board ended up with Irvine. I have a feeling more heads need to roll over this. Anyone with half a brain in management should have seen this mess coming if we appointed Irvine, but apparently some brains are missing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 01, 2014, 11:33:41 PM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...
wonder why the pr department are letting so many stupid statements from Irvine becoming public.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on December 01, 2014, 11:34:58 PM
Well I think the voting in the reset stay/go poll says it all really..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 11:44:33 PM
wonder why the pr department are letting so many stupid statements from Irvine becoming public.
Maybe setting it up to make his sacking more understandable? Rather like when they tried to stop Mel from speaking the English he'd learned so it could be used as part of the reason to sack him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...
Lets hope Madeley is exaggerating not really what's needed atm another public rift.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 01, 2014, 11:54:02 PM
Lets hope Madeley is exaggerating not really what's needed atm another public rift.
It could accelerate Irvine's departure though, which is needed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 01, 2014, 11:55:24 PM
8/1 to be next manager sacked
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 01, 2014, 11:58:45 PM
8/1 to be next manager sacked
12s at coral.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on December 01, 2014, 11:59:12 PM
Oh my god this fool needs to go asap, blaming everyone but himself. Peace get rid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robbo_wba on December 02, 2014, 12:05:33 AM
If I was a fan of any other club, I would find this side-splittingly funny. As I'm not, I find it embarrassing and an insult to our fans' intelligence. What kind of a coach operates on such double standards (given the number of the current team who missed at least some of pre season) and expects to be taken seriously. In any case, he is the head coach, so it's his job to get them fit and up to scratch. If he can't do it, as he suggests, he is clearly admitting that he isn't up to the job. And comparing us to Chelsea and himself to Mourinho is just cringeworthy.

Spot on. The "pre-season" excuse is laughable. Does this also mean then that anytime someone is injured for more than 4 weeks, they'll actually be out for the season??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 12:05:36 AM
12s at coral.
6s at betvictor
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...

He'll be right too. The club's structure is the worst in the league. It might have worked under Ashworth who was actually good at his job but otherwise its a disaster, everything about it is wrong.

The funniest thing about the clubs structure is it was bought in supposedly to make the club more stable, yet the turnover we've had in players, head coaches and back room staff since Ashworth left makes us the most unstable club in the league.

It's pretty clear Irvine didn't want many of these players, whatever you think of him, no manager is going to be successful if you buy players you think they should want rather than ones they actually want. We saw this problem under Clarke too. Sure we might make one or two concessions but its woeful business and football sense.

The club needs to get back to basics and get rid of this pretentious head coach nonsense. Maybe managers shouldn't have all the power, but we've gone too far the other way and give them no tools to work with. It's the reason we end up taking 6 weeks to get managers nobody particularly wanted anyway. Purely because its a real struggle to find anyone who would take this job given the constraints.

Every manager we've had has moaned about this system apart from Hodgson who funnily enough was the one we gave the most concessions too, allowed him to sign HIS players, and basically let him do his job. Even if Irvine did end up leaving due to his problems with the structure, the short sighted would celebrate, but there'd obviously be deeper issues at hand that are going to ruin this team sooner rather than later, regardless of who's manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 12:14:59 AM
He'll be right too. The club's structure is the worst in the league. It might have worked under Ashworth who was actually good at his job but otherwise its a disaster, everything about it is wrong.

The funniest thing about the clubs structure is it was bought in supposedly to make the club more stable, yet the overturn we've had in players, head coaches and back room staff since Ashworth left makes us the most unstable club in the league.

It's pretty clear Irvine didn't want many of these players, whatever you think of him, no manager is going to be successful if you buy players you think they should want rather than ones they actually want. We saw this problem under Clarke too. Sure we might make one or two concessions but its woeful business and football sense.

The club needs to get back to basics and get rid of this pretentious head coach nonsense. Maybe managers shouldn't have all the power, but we've gone too far the other way and give them no tools to work with. It's the reason we end up taking 6 weeks to get managers nobody particularly wanted anyway.

Every manager we've had has moaned about this system apart from Hodgson who funnily enough was the one we gave the most concessions too, allowed him to sign HIS players, and basically let him do his job.
I'd agree that some of the structure needs looking at- I think head coaches/managers should be able to bring a couple of backroom staff in with them for support, and that Kiely and Downing should lose their "unsackable" status.

I also think, regardless of title, when looking for prospective head coaches/managers, we need to be considering candidates with managerial qualities. Simply being a good coach isn't sufficient, because whatever the job title is, the job itself requires qualities such as leadership, motivation, discipline, and qualities on matchday such as tactical knowledge and effective substitutions. Bewilderingly, its as if the title of "Head Coach" has made Peace think these managerial qualities don't need to apply.

I'd also point to the quality of those people in the structure being as important as the structure itself. For example, the structure worked very well with Ashworth and Hodgson, as Hodgson was a "manager" in all but his title, and Ashworth really knew his football and was a good diplomat. Clearly, Burton and Irvine don't possess the necessary qualities regardless of the structure.

So personally, although the above aspects need changing, I wouldn't agree that a fundamental change in the structure is needed. With the right personnel it could work. However, it will never work as long as Kiely and Downing are unsackable, and as long as we keep appointing cheap "coaches" rather than proper managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 02, 2014, 12:17:17 AM
He'll be right too. The club's structure is the worst in the league. It might have worked under Ashworth who was actually good at his job but otherwise its a disaster, everything about it is wrong.

The funniest thing about the clubs structure is it was bought in supposedly to make the club more stable, yet the turnover we've had in players, head coaches and back room staff since Ashworth left makes us the most unstable club in the league.

It's pretty clear Irvine didn't want many of these players, whatever you think of him, no manager is going to be successful if you buy players you think they should want rather than ones they actually want. We saw this problem under Clarke too. Sure we might make one or two concessions but its woeful business and football sense.

The club needs to get back to basics and get rid of this pretentious head coach nonsense. Maybe managers shouldn't have all the power, but we've gone too far the other way and give them no tools to work with. It's the reason we end up taking 6 weeks to get managers nobody particularly wanted anyway. Purely because its a real struggle to find anyone who would take this job given the constraints.

Every manager we've had has moaned about this system apart from Hodgson who funnily enough was the one we gave the most concessions too, allowed him to sign HIS players, and basically let him do his job. Even if Irvine did end up leaving due to his problems with the structure, the short sighted would celebrate, but there'd obviously be deeper issues at hand that are going to ruin this team sooner rather than later, regardless of who's manager.
Great post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 02, 2014, 12:26:59 AM
So personally, although the above aspects need changing, I wouldn't agree that a fundamental change in the structure is needed. With the right personnel it could work. However, it will never work as long as Kiely and Downing are unsackable, and as long as we keep appointing cheap "coaches" rather than proper managers.

I agree with this. I don't care much if we call the leader of the team coach or manager, as long as that person is intelligent enough to do the job properly. I actually agree with JP that the manager concept is overrated, but that also means we have to have a first rate director of football.

Atm it feels as if we are going to war with idiot generals in charge. The Chief of Staff (Director of Football) needs to be smart and the battlefield general ("head coach") needs to be smart. The Prime Minister (JP) has to act if something is out of whack there.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 02, 2014, 12:33:18 AM
I think Irvine is being smart. He's had good players in from the pre-season, who have easily enough time to get fit and ready, and I believe they are. He's basically saying "They weren't here from the start, so there's a slim chance they'll make the team". Stop and think about that, it's absolutely barmy and is frightening.

I do not believe he is best to judge their quality. We have seen how good Gamboa can be at the world cup. Yet he has only started 1 game this season due to Wisdom being ineligible. How do we know the others are bad? I'm sorry, I refuse to take Irvine's word on it. Blanco, Ideye and especially Varela all have good reputations abroad, Varela has played for a big club in the champions league - and with our current starters I believe should be near the first 11.

In short, Irvine's justifying his favourite picks by saying someone else bought the other players in, and in turn it makes himself look much better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 02, 2014, 02:22:08 AM
For the first time in my life i want us to get tanked by the opposition, in the vain hope this clown will get his marching orders....what a sad, sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on December 02, 2014, 05:09:52 AM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...

Its the clubs structure that got him this job! No one else would have touched him with a bargpole. The stats make grim reading Alan, 7 shots on target in our last 4 games and no goals scored in our last 3 games.

Simply not good enough!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on December 02, 2014, 06:39:30 AM
Given all the constraints that we believe our head coach to be under the bottom line is he knew what he was coming into.
Why (if true) did he turn us down a couple of years ago only to come from complete left field to take the job second time of offering? Maybe we were the only club daft or desperate enough to offer him a way back into the top flight.
Whatever the reasons that's all in the past now. When he goes, as surely he will, JP needs to rethink his blueprint as I genuinely think that its run its course. We are now a financially stable Premiership club. If we maintain this strangle hold on our development we will go the same way as your Bolton, Blackburn, Wigans et all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 02, 2014, 08:31:56 AM
As much as im happy to see the back of Irvine, I do worry at the thought of Downing and Kiely being put in charge for the remainder of the season.

Would we see a change in tactics/formations/team selections with these two in charge?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2014, 08:41:09 AM
I think Irvine is being smart. He's had good players in from the pre-season, who have easily enough time to get fit and ready, and I believe they are. He's basically saying "They weren't here from the start, so there's a slim chance they'll make the team". Stop and think about that, it's absolutely barmy and is frightening.

I do not believe he is best to judge their quality. We have seen how good Gamboa can be at the world cup. Yet he has only started 1 game this season due to Wisdom being ineligible. How do we know the others are bad? I'm sorry, I refuse to take Irvine's word on it. Blanco, Ideye and especially Varela all have good reputations abroad, Varela has played for a big club in the champions league - and with our current starters I believe should be near the first 11.

In short, Irvine's justifying his favourite picks by saying someone else bought the other players in, and in turn it makes himself look much better.

This is Varela's cv on Wikipedia, doesn't look good at all, I can't see where he played CL football.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 02, 2014, 08:45:54 AM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...

If it is what I have just read on the Brum Mail site then it doesn't read too well but there is an element of Irvine covering his own backside as he knows things are going tits up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 02, 2014, 08:51:10 AM
According to Steve Madeley's Twitter, there's a truly horrifying Irvine comment about the club's structure coming up in tomorrow's Express & Star. Can't see that helping his cause...

Its the clubs structure that got him this job! No one else would have touched him with a bargpole. The stats make grim reading Alan, 7 shots on target in our last 4 games and no goals scored in our last 3 games.

Simply not good enough!

He is obviously complaining about the Transfer structure.
If that is true then the "End is Nigh"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
This is Varela's cv on Wikipedia, doesn't look good at all, I can't see where he played CL football.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/19683/History/Silvestre-Varela

He has played for Porto in the Champions League. Including sub appearances he's played 24 times scoring two goals. He also played for Porto in the 2011 final of the Europa League which they won
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 02, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
As much as im happy to see the back of Irvine, I do worry at the thought of Downing and Kiely being put in charge for the remainder of the season.

Would we see a change in tactics/formations/team selections with these two in charge?

we need to be bold....get someone lined up with own team and get rid of the lot....drive em to villa park
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 09:01:14 AM
I can't remember being an Albion manager being so short sighted and deluded as Irvine. The bloke strikes me as a clown. To come out AGAIN and moan about the players not ready is ridiculous, especially when he said the week before they were fit just not suitable at Chelsea.

Lescott was injured throughout pre season yet his pedigree has ensured he was put straight in and we've got lucky there, without him who knows where we would be.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2014, 09:08:06 AM
I think he's been stitched up by the press, eloquence has never been one of his strong points.
I can just imagine a situation where he was asked why he's not playing Varelo, Blanco, Davidson, Baird & Ideye, & he's saying "they're not good enough, in an ideal situation I'd like to ship them out in January, but that's not likely to happen"
In truth, he's probably right, if you look at Varelo's CV online, it's not impressive, & Jason Davidson is never a Premiership player in a million years, Chris Baird has probably had his day. The only two, I personally like are Blanco & Ideye.
On the other hand, he's been naive to have said that to a press that senses tensions rising, & ultimately I think it will cost him his job
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
I think he's been stitched up by the press, eloquence has never been one of his strong points.
I can just imagine a situation where he was asked why he's not playing Varelo, Blanco, Davidson, Baird & Ideye, & he's saying "they're not good enough, in an ideal situation I'd like to ship them out in January, but that's not likely to happen"
In truth, he's probably right, if you look at Varelo's CV online, it's not impressive, & Jason Davidson is never a Premiership player in a million years, Chris Baird has probably had his day. The only two, I personally like are Blanco & Ideye.
On the other hand, he's been naive to have said that to a press that senses tensions rising, & ultimately I think it will cost him his job

 ;D :o

I've seen it all now, the guy played and scored at the world cup, has won the uefa cup, and played numerous times in the champions league. But it's ok because we have Dorrans on the wing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2014, 09:18:02 AM
;D :o

I've seen it all now, the guy played and scored at the world cup, has won the uefa cup, and played numerous times in the champions league. But it's ok because we have Dorrans on the wing

Show me where he's played numerous times in the champions league or perhaps this is not true about him just because it's wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 09:21:49 AM
Show me where he's played numerous times in the champions league or perhaps this is not true about him just because it's wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)

The link I posted above shows his stats. If you click 'history', the champions league is displayed as ICL , and shows appearances, with subs in brackets and also goals.

I make it 24 appearances and two goals
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2014, 09:22:24 AM
Show me where he's played numerous times in the champions league or perhaps this is not true about him just because it's wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)

Looks like quite a few to me.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/19683/History/Silvestre-Varela (http://www.whoscored.com/Players/19683/History/Silvestre-Varela)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 02, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
Show me where he's played numerous times in the champions league or perhaps this is not true about him just because it's wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvestre_Varela)

Are you Irvine in disguise???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
How did this buffoon get this job? Did he hypnotise them at the interview? Every time he opens his mouth he sounds more and more absurd. I can't believe it even makes sense in his own head.
How many players currently playing for other clubs missed some or all of pre-season? Dozens, doesn't mean they are not available 5 months later, this is absolute nonsense.
As for keeping his team selection secret, is he serious? My 6 year old could name tonight's team. Mind you they do have something in common the both only care about One Direction!
People keep saying 'Ahhh, leave him alone he's a nice bloke'. He is not! He will put anyone away to try and protect his own skin, the problem is he is not clever enough to do it and is just making himself and our club look like total fools.
Peace should read this and say 'that's it you're out, you nutter'.
Give me strength.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2014, 09:35:10 AM
Win or draw tonight and we are delaying the inevitable. West Ham win by two or three clear goals should see him gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 02, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Win or draw tonight and we are delaying the inevitable. West Ham win by two or three clear goals should see him gone.
I never want us to lose though... It's a must win game, if we win tonight and lose saturday then perhaps we are back to square one but at the same time, the points matter most.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: collins101 on December 02, 2014, 09:55:31 AM
It's amazing how people can due someones career by looking at stats on wikipedia. It's embarassing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 09:55:52 AM
I am kind of starting to feel sorry for him now. We all know what the atmosphere is going to be like tonight.
Every fan site and social media site are 90% for him to go. Alan do the decent thing take your pride with you and go back to coaching kids
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 09:56:09 AM
west ham get an early goal the fans will be on his back even more , lets see if this great coach who has all the players on side can ye right ! can get a result . think villa game be the one lose that be getting sacked in the morning will be ringing out loud from all sides of the ground .
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What ever the score is the time for BOOING & ANY OUT CHANTS are after the full time whistle.
Remember we are 1st & foremost BAGGIES SUPPORTERS, ALBION TILL WE DIE.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 02, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
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What ever the score is the time for BOOING & ANY OUT CHANTS are after the full time whistle.
Remember we are 1st & foremost BAGGIES SUPPORTERS, ALBION TILL WE DIE.

Did you see how quickly Irvine got down the tunnel on Saturday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 02, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
I can't believe what I am reading that some fans WANT us to lose so we get rid of the head coach.  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 02, 2014, 10:05:22 AM
For the first time ever if we are to lose i hope it's a beating just to get rid of this clown , i accept Irvine is far from the only problem at this club but getting rid of him and his negative approach would be a good start especially after the comments on the Summer signings and how the club is run . Failed at Preston , failed at Wednesday ...why on earth did JP think he could cope here ? . What Irvine fails to see is it maybe his first time in the Premier League but it's not our's , both the club and us the fans have devoted too much time and work into becoming a top flight side to settle for the basic , negative football on offer at the minute . "Knock down football " ....meaning hoof ball , no thanks Alan. I will look at the line up tonight , if it's the same old Irvine approach i won't bother , 30 years an Albion fan and now disillusioned...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 02, 2014, 10:24:07 AM
If he does go who do you honestly seeing wanting to come and work with Dngle Keith and Kiely???
Tony Pullis wouldnt touch us with a barge pole. He walked out on Palace because of transfer issues.
We will end up with Dave Jones or some Foriegn no hoper (See Pepe Mel)

As for some supporters hoping we lose tonight, how can you call yourself supporters???
I am ashamed of some of our supporters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 10:24:58 AM
If he does go who do you honestly seeing wanting to come and work with Dngle Keith and Kiely???
Tony Pullis wouldnt touch us with a barge pole. He walked out on Palace because of transfer issues.
We will end up with Dave Jones or some Foriegn no hoper (See Pepe Mel)

As for some supporters hoping we lose tonight, how can you call yourself supporters???
I am ashamed of some of our supporters.

And there lies part of the problem, they shouldn't have to
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 10:28:34 AM
As for wanting us to lose, I feel the same way as you Aidan. No way do I want us to lose. Look at it this way, even if a new guy comes in , we still need points at the end of the season. Even a draw is a point on the board.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2014, 10:40:01 AM
As for wanting us to lose, I feel the same way as you Aidan. No way do I want us to lose. Look at it this way, even if a new guy comes in , we still need points at the end of the season. Even a draw is a point on the board.

You have to look at the bigger picture and longer term. If Irvine picks up points then it is delaying the inevitable making the job harder for the person who comes in during the new year. Look at Blues, they are flying under Rowett despite not having any new players to the dross Clark was sending out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 10:42:09 AM
You have to look at the bigger picture and longer term. If Irvine picks up points then it is delaying the inevitable making the job harder for the person who comes in during the new year. Look at Blues, they are flying under Rowett despite not having any new players to the dross Clark was sending out.

It doesn't stop Peace pulling the plug on Irvine though even if we drew a few games. Draws won't keep us up, but come the end of the season a point is better than none.

Either way, I'd never wish that we lose a game. First and foremost I'm an Albion fan, thick and thin bla bla bla.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 02, 2014, 10:43:59 AM
You have to look at the bigger picture and longer term. If Irvine picks up points then it is delaying the inevitable making the job harder for the person who comes in during the new year. Look at Blues, they are flying under Rowett despite not having any new players to the dross Clark was sending out.
I don't want us to lose , never have never will but IF we do i hope it's enough to get rid of Irvine if it's the same old squad and same old negative tactics .We are only going one way under this bloke at the minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 10:45:51 AM
Did you see how quickly Irvine got down the tunnel on Saturday?

Dont worry about AI hearing the fans its JP who needs to hear the fans voice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
The link I posted above shows his stats. If you click 'history', the champions league is displayed as ICL , and shows appearances, with subs in brackets and also goals.

I make it 24 appearances and two goals


Based on Wikepdia, he pedigree doesn't look to good, but based on the whoscored stats, I agree he's worth including in the side
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
If he does go who do you honestly seeing wanting to come and work with Dngle Keith and Kiely???
Tony Pullis wouldnt touch us with a barge pole. He walked out on Palace because of transfer issues.
We will end up with Dave Jones or some Foriegn no hoper (See Pepe Mel)
As for some supporters hoping we lose tonight, how can you call yourself supporters???
I am ashamed of some of our supporters.



Pepe Mel was not a no hoper, given half the tools Ted as got we would be nowhere near the bottom.
Pepe Mel probably brought the most exciting attacking football of our premiership time, yes ok lacked in defensive issues but with the right support that would not have been the case
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
I tell you what's a poo cv. Irvine's.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 02, 2014, 12:11:11 PM
according to Irvine we have players who play week in week out who are more attack minded than defensive. latest deluded quote. it doesn't matter if you played with 11 messis if your tactics restrain them from going forward you plonker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 02, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
according to Irvine we have players who play week in week out who are more attack minded than defensive. latest deluded quote. it doesn't matter if you played with 11 messis if your tactics restrain them from going forward you plonker.

The comment is spot on, if you have a regular midfield of Brunt, Morrison, Gardner and Dorrans as we have had their natural instincts are to go forward. The problem is the midfield is extremely unbalanced, one paced there is no variation in there as they are all so similar. Then add to that the tactics he wants them to play and it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 12:30:55 PM
I tell you what's a poo cv. Irvine's.
and that's exactly why it's ridiculous that he holds authority over players like Varela, Gamboa, Blanco and Ideye's future at our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on December 02, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
Firstly im going to give the benefit of the doubt at AI regarding the team selection, maybe the players are just not good enough, perhaps we bough junk.

The reason I want AI out is the tactics he use, forget the negative stuff etc, I agree with him that sess should have come off and maybe samaras was the right choice. Where he went wrong was sticking samaras out wide, if you bring a lump like him on you have to stick him up top, you have sacrificed a creative midfielder so your tactics are simple get width and get the balls into him. Sticking him out wide was a joke. For that reason alone he doesn't know what hes doing and should go.

I don't get excited anymore about going up the albion, the style is pooh, I would rather get relegated trying to play football with some excitement, if I wanted to be bored for 90 minutes id stop home with the wife..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 12:58:01 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-bucking-premier-league-8210307

“I’m comfortable with the squad that we’ve got. I do wish there were some other avenues to give some of the boys who need games games. But there aren’t''

So now he says he is happy with the sqaud. Could have fooled me Alan  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 02, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
I think we are all fustraited in different ways because we can all see the problem yet the blokes who make the decisions aparently can't.

JP isn't stupid, he knows how the fans feel and how far he can push them.

He got pretty close with the change of kit and I think he knows that too.

He would have see the response on Saturday and would know himself from what he has witnessed.

He will also see that he sanctioned a ten million pound investment which is yet to really be used and is reducing in value by every second he doesn't play.

I don't doubt JP will do what is needed, my concern is will he do it before it's too late?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2014, 01:03:20 PM


Pepe Mel was not a no hoper, given half the tools Ted as got we would be nowhere near the bottom.
Pepe Mel probably brought the most exciting attacking football of our premiership time, yes ok lacked in defensive issues but with the right support that would not have been the case

If you thought that was the best attacking football thank Downing. He was head coach in all but name after the palace game last season. Mel basically did nothing, it's an open secret by this point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 01:05:45 PM
I think we are all fustraited in different ways because we can all see the problem yet the blokes who make the decisions aparently can't.

JP isn't stupid, he knows how the fans feel and how far he can push them.

He got pretty close with the change of kit and I think he knows that too.

He would have see the response on Saturday and would know himself from what he has witnessed.

He will also see that he sanctioned a ten million pound investment which is yet to really be used and is reducing in value by every second he doesn't play.

I don't doubt JP will do what is needed, my concern is will he do it before it's too late?
I think you're right about Irvine but I'm not so sure he understands the depth of feeling about Downing and Kiely.

As a rational, logical person I'm finding it really hard to support the club when I continually see illogical decisions being made one after the other, that even the vast majority of the uneducated fan base can see are wrong.

I've really lost faith in the football knowledge of those at the top. I think it really shows how much Ashworth must have held it together in his time at the club, and the only way we could really fix the current goings on in the long term is by appointing a quality director of football, who won't come cheap.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 02, 2014, 01:17:21 PM
I think we are all fustraited in different ways because we can all see the problem yet the blokes who make the decisions aparently can't.

JP isn't stupid, he knows how the fans feel and how far he can push them.

He got pretty close with the change of kit and I think he knows that too.

He would have see the response on Saturday and would know himself from what he has witnessed.

He will also see that he sanctioned a ten million pound investment which is yet to really be used and is reducing in value by every second he doesn't play.

I don't doubt JP will do what is needed, my concern is will he do it before it's too late?
Well I hope he is at least starting to compile a list of possible replacements for AI because I don't want a repeat of last year waiting weeks for a replacement.
To be honest, if he is going to get rid it would be better sooner than later, this next two months sees us play a lot of teams that we should be capable of getting results against and if we don't pile up a few points, then its going to be almost impossible for us to stay up, given the run in we have!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 02, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
Here we go again:

'Alan Irvine says he has no qualms about asking his West Bromwich Albion players to play two Premier League games in 72 hours.
Five years ago Wolves boss Mick McCarthy infamously made ten outfield changes for a Tuesday night match at Manchester United after Wolves had won at Spurs. “I won’t be making that number of changes!” said Irvine ahead of tonight’s West Ham test. “I might have to make some changes but I won’t be making that number of changes.

“I find it strange in the Premier League we have to change the squad because we have got a game on a Tuesday following a Saturday. All the other leagues do it every week... it’s the same players who go out Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday. For some reason we have got a feeling that the Premier League players can’t do it. But then whenever we play against lower opposition it’s: ‘Premier League player will be fitter’! Why they should be fitter I don’t quite know because these boys are used to going again and again and again which they have to do.

“The crazy thing is that the Morrisons, Brunts and Dorrans and Olssons.. people like that.. McAuleys.. they’ve been used to playing Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday for huge chunks of their career. Why would they not be able to do that again whilst they are in the Premier League? There will probably be a couple of changes but not because I feel they can’t go again. I’d like to think they are ready to go again.

"We’ve been lucky in that we’ve had good records in terms of players being fit. We’ve only had two suspensions so far so we’ve been able to be fairly settled. They are players who are able to go again. They’re not players who are still trying to find their way in the Premier League and maybe struggling with the intensity. Some of the foreign boys can find that difficult. A lot of the boys have been used to doing it for some time.”

The Albion boss is critical of the current system which sees precious little football able to be handed to fringe players.

“I’m comfortable with the squad that we’ve got. I do wish there were some other avenues to give some of the boys who need games games. But there aren’t. The under 21 league is miles away from a Premier League game and you can only play three of them. We try and have behind closed doors games but that’s difficult at this time of year because the games are coming thick and fast and you’re thinking about how to balance that. You want to have a closed doors game for enough senior players not just one or two.”

Irvine says he is keen to strike a balance in his starting eleven.

“We have a lot of players play for us week-in and week-out, who are more attack minded than defensive. That is something that obviously we keep on trying to work on."'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-bucking-premier-league-8210307)

It's only a couple of days since Irvine said that everyone in the squad will be needed in the coming weeks and now he's saying he sees no reason why the same players can't play week-in, week-out! He also seems to now be saying that the new players who are out of favour aren't being picked because their foreign and/or aren't experienced in the Premier League. He seems to be forgetting that we can't afford (or at least are unwilling) to buy experienced, good quality Premier League players, so he just needs to get on with it and ensure they start to get that experience.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 02, 2014, 01:20:10 PM


Pepe Mel was not a no hoper, given half the tools Ted as got we would be nowhere near the bottom.
Pepe Mel probably brought the most exciting attacking football of our premiership time, yes ok lacked in defensive issues but with the right support that would not have been the case

Can you just remind me in which games? I must have blinked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 01:20:42 PM
He's been found out. I'm surprised the club let him even spout all of this rubbish in the first place. He's contradicting himself and tripping himself up now. Essentially digging his own grave.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 02, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
If you thought that was the best attacking football thank Downing. He was head coach in all but name after the palace game last season. Mel basically did nothing, it's an open secret by this point.
I find it ironic that we looked at our best during Pepe's tenure when we were playing the way that he wanted us to. Unfortunately, the players were unable/unwilling to do that for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2014, 01:23:41 PM
I find it ironic that we looked at our best during Pepe's tenure when we were playing the way that he wanted us to. Unfortunately, the players were unable/unwilling to do that for 90 minutes.

We shipped 7 goals to relegation rivals Villa and Palace who couldn't score to save their lives at that time. We'd have gone down comfortably under Mel playing that way. Drawing to Everton and Chelsea was no good when we lost those games.

It's baffling how he could have thought a high line with Reid, Olsson, Lugano and Ridgewell as our defenders could have ever possibly worked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 02, 2014, 01:27:59 PM
If he does go, we'll no doubt have 5-6 weeks of "due diligence" while we find yet another underwhelming appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2014, 01:29:01 PM
Here we go again:

'Alan Irvine says he has no qualms about asking his West Bromwich Albion players to play two Premier League games in 72 hours.
Five years ago Wolves boss Mick McCarthy infamously made ten outfield changes for a Tuesday night match at Manchester United after Wolves had won at Spurs. “I won’t be making that number of changes!” said Irvine ahead of tonight’s West Ham test. “I might have to make some changes but I won’t be making that number of changes.

“I find it strange in the Premier League we have to change the squad because we have got a game on a Tuesday following a Saturday. All the other leagues do it every week... it’s the same players who go out Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday. For some reason we have got a feeling that the Premier League players can’t do it. But then whenever we play against lower opposition it’s: ‘Premier League player will be fitter’! Why they should be fitter I don’t quite know because these boys are used to going again and again and again which they have to do.

“The crazy thing is that the Morrisons, Brunts and Dorrans and Olssons.. people like that.. McAuleys.. they’ve been used to playing Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday for huge chunks of their career. Why would they not be able to do that again whilst they are in the Premier League? There will probably be a couple of changes but not because I feel they can’t go again. I’d like to think they are ready to go again.

"We’ve been lucky in that we’ve had good records in terms of players being fit. We’ve only had two suspensions so far so we’ve been able to be fairly settled. They are players who are able to go again. They’re not players who are still trying to find their way in the Premier League and maybe struggling with the intensity. Some of the foreign boys can find that difficult. A lot of the boys have been used to doing it for some time.”

The Albion boss is critical of the current system which sees precious little football able to be handed to fringe players.

“I’m comfortable with the squad that we’ve got. I do wish there were some other avenues to give some of the boys who need games games. But there aren’t. The under 21 league is miles away from a Premier League game and you can only play three of them. We try and have behind closed doors games but that’s difficult at this time of year because the games are coming thick and fast and you’re thinking about how to balance that. You want to have a closed doors game for enough senior players not just one or two.”

Irvine says he is keen to strike a balance in his starting eleven.

“We have a lot of players play for us week-in and week-out, who are more attack minded than defensive. That is something that obviously we keep on trying to work on."'

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-bucking-premier-league-8210307)

It's only a couple of days since Irvine said that everyone in the squad will be needed in the coming weeks and now he's saying he sees no reason why the same players can't play week-in, week-out! He also seems to now be saying that the new players who are out of favour aren't being picked because their foreign and/or aren't experienced in the Premier League. He seems to be forgetting that we can't afford (or at least are unwilling) to buy experienced, good quality Premier League players, so he just needs to get on with it and ensure they start to get that experience.
So a 'foreign lad' cannot play because he missed pre-season 5 months ago, but aging old pros like Brunt, Dorrans and Morrison should have no problem playing every 3 or 4 days?
Every day another pearl of wisdom from Corberan. Priceless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 02, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
We shipped 7 goals to relegation rivals Villa and Palace who couldn't score to save their lives at that time. We'd have gone down comfortably under Mel playing that way. Drawing to Everton and Chelsea was no good when we lost those games.

It's baffling how he could have thought a high line with Reid, Olsson, Lugano and Ridgewell as our defenders could have ever possibly worked.
I was talking more about the forwards and midfielders pressing rather than the defenders pushing up. I'm not sure the defence did push up that much, but I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
Can anyone else remember an Albion manager being interviewed as much as this guy?

Is it just attention seeking because he has spent so long in the shadows so is making the most of his 15 minutes (we wish) of fame?
Or is it that the journos can't believe how easy it is to get him to spout nonsense, therefore he makes their job incredibly easy?

Either way, I must admit I am addicted now. I can't wait to hear his next soundbite, they are, after all, far more entertaining than his football.
It's so surreal, it's like it's happening to someone else. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 01:57:02 PM
I find it ironic that we looked at our best during Pepe's tenure when we were playing the way that he wanted us to. Unfortunately, the players were unable/unwilling to do that for 90 minutes.
Bang on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 01:58:49 PM
Bang on.


same here, some of the best attacking football i have seen in our premier history.All he needed was a bit of help and support from above

Now they play a laboured style and they still cant hack it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bilston Dan on December 02, 2014, 02:03:05 PM
Can anyone else remember an Albion manager being interviewed as much as this guy?

Is it just attention seeking because he has spent so long in the shadows so is making the most of his 15 minutes (we wish) of fame?
Or is it that the journos can't believe how easy it is to get him to spout nonsense, therefore he makes their job incredibly easy?

Either way, I must admit I am addicted now. I can't wait to hear his next soundbite, they are, after all, far more entertaining than his football.
It's so surreal, it's like it's happening to someone else. :o

Kind of like a more embarrassing version of Mowbray (sound bites wise)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 02:07:01 PM

same here, some of the best attacking football i have seen in our premier history.All he needed was a bit of help and support from above

Now they play a laboured style and they still cant hack it
I think it would have improved this year too with a group of players more suited to playing his style, and a full pre-season to adapt to his methods.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 02, 2014, 02:41:18 PM
I think it would have improved this year too with a group of players more suited to playing his style, and a full pre-season to adapt to his methods.

Good point. You can't just go attacking over night, but it needs a culture shift at the club and an ethos around attacking intent.

Unfortunately I don't think Irvine has it in him to instill that amongst our players even if he wanted to, which I highly doubt in the case.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 02, 2014, 02:42:44 PM
I think it would have improved this year too with a group of players more suited to playing his style, and a full pre-season to adapt to his methods.

The back 4 now would be able to play the high pressing game, our current back four are alot quicker overall compared to last seasons back 4.

Then if you added Varela, Blanco, Mulumbu, Sess, Morrison, you had a midfield that should be able to adapt to high pressing also.

Our problem was, Brunt, Olsson, McAuley etc didnt have the stamina or pace to last the high pressing demands.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 03:07:13 PM
The back 4 now would be able to play the high pressing game, our current back four are alot quicker overall compared to last seasons back 4.

Then if you added Varela, Blanco, Mulumbu, Sess, Morrison, you had a midfield that should be able to adapt to high pressing also.

Our problem was, Brunt, Olsson, McAuley etc didnt have the stamina or pace to last the high pressing demands.

Brunt again? He covers more ground than any of our other players. Don't let the facts get in the way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 02, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
Mel couldn’t implement his ideas because the senior pros had a hissy fit about a new philosophy and new methods and cried off to Downing and Kiely.  We then got a coach who we believed would be more in tune with the way the side has been set up for the 3-4 years.
Senior pros had too much influence last season as did Dingle Keith and Kiely. Paying for it now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 02, 2014, 03:23:18 PM
Bloke in the office has just told me he's been on Sky sports spouting again.

Is this true?

I didn't think he had a plan B but it looks like he has and that's to blame any but himself.

I really hope JP pulls the trigger in the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2014, 03:24:54 PM
A battering tonight and I think we will pull the plug. You can still get 10/1 from Ladbrokes for AI to be next Premier League Manager/Head Coach to go and that is good value IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
Brunt again? He covers more ground than any of our other players. Don't let the facts get in the way.

Covering more ground means nothing as I guess you full well know. Just means they run around a lot.

I couldn't care less if we had a player sitting in the middle and spraying the ball around hardly moving all game as long it was useful passes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 02, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
Covering more ground means nothing as I guess you full well know. Just means they run around a lot.

I couldn't care less if we had a player sitting in the middle and spraying the ball around hardly moving all game as long it was useful passes.

Bobby Hope and Johnny Giles for example......oh to have someone with this class in our midfield today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: CorbyBaggie on December 02, 2014, 04:08:53 PM
I've just seen a quote from Stephen Hawking on the BBC News website:

" AI could end the human race "

Presumably AI is practising by finishing off the Baggies first!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 02, 2014, 04:12:37 PM
i assume the seven people who voted stay did not see either of the last two home games!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on December 02, 2014, 04:13:15 PM
Mel couldn’t implement his ideas because the senior pros had a hissy fit about a new philosophy and new methods and cried off to Downing and Kiely.  We then got a coach who we believed would be more in tune with the way the side has been set up for the 3-4 years.
Senior pros had too much influence last season as did Dingle Keith and Kiely. Paying for it now.

Glad somebody gets it  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 04:21:24 PM
Will you guys in the Smethwick be singing Alans name tonight?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 02, 2014, 04:21:55 PM
I've just seen a quote from Stephen Hawking on the BBC News website:

" AI could end the human race "

Presumably AI is practising by finishing off the Baggies first!

No, you are getting two things confused. Hawking's AI refers to artificial intelligence, whereas our AI refers to absence of intelligence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on December 02, 2014, 04:52:41 PM
No, you are getting two things confused. Hawking's AI refers to artificial intelligence, whereas our AI refers to absence of intelligence.

I actually laughed out loud in the office. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 05:43:34 PM
Covering more ground means nothing as I guess you full well know. Just means they run around a lot.

I couldn't care less if we had a player sitting in the middle and spraying the ball around hardly moving all game as long it was useful passes.

Well when the post in question was suggesting Brunt lacked the stamina to play a pressing game then in this context it means everything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 05:52:41 PM
Well when the post in question was suggesting Brunt lacked the stamina to play a pressing game then in this context it means everything.

Very true, he may not be the quickest but he does have the stamina which is why if Pocognoli is out as expected I would rather see Brunt there.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 02, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
So much bile based on conjecture and lack of considered argument or facts. I kind of expect someone to blame Irvine for it being cold tonight. It was never cold under Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
So much bile based on conjecture and lack of considered argument or facts. I kind of expect someone to blame Irvine for it being cold tonight. It was never cold under Pepe Mel.


samba footaball always keeps me nice and warm even in the most extreme weather


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 06:11:03 PM
So much bile based on conjecture and lack of considered argument or facts. I kind of expect someone to blame Irvine for it being cold tonight. It was never cold under Pepe Mel.

Plenty of empty seats tonight. No huddle warmth. You may be right VVV.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 02, 2014, 06:11:20 PM
Well when the post in question was suggesting Brunt lacked the stamina to play a pressing game then in this context it means everything.

The post also mentioned pace in the same context as stamina. Yes, Brunt may have the stamina, but he is no sprinter exactly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
The post also mentioned pace in the same context as stamina. Yes, Brunt may have the stamina, but he is no sprinter exactly.

You don't need pace for a press.  Only for the high line.  Luckily Brunt isn't a defender so either way I'm correct.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 02, 2014, 06:28:03 PM
and that's exactly why it's ridiculous that he holds authority over players like Varela, Gamboa, Blanco and Ideye's future at our club.
Varela was frozen out of Porto, not given a squad number and not training with the first team.
Blanco was capped in 2010 against Haiti and Panama and has not featured for Argentina since.
Ideye can not get into a Nigeria side that failed to reach the Africa Nations Cup
Gamboa is playing in the first team, albeit not first choice.

Perhaps they are not the players we hoped they would be?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 02, 2014, 06:36:03 PM
Kind of like a more embarrassing version of Mowbray (sound bites wise)

To be honest his soundbites and contradictory comments worry me about his mental state, he sounds like a bloke who has totally lost it and all sense of reality to boot. A bit sad  to be honest.

A total muppet he may be and an incapable one at best, but we all know he is only a symptom of and not the cause of our problems...which have never really gone away. We are a staggering drunk of a club and have been for a long time. Just  hanging on to the coat tails of premiership existence by a hairsbreadth.

We will have to amputate limbs to get rid of this gangrenous, backside covering, dispassionate  culture we have.

Downing, Keily and Irvine should resign tonight after the West Ham game regardless of the result, and if they don't they should be unceremoniously booted out by JP.

If we don't lose them, we will lose our way and lose our club.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 06:46:26 PM
Varela was frozen out of Porto, not given a squad number and not training with the first team.
Blanco was capped in 2010 against Haiti and Panama and has not featured for Argentina since.
Ideye can not get into a Nigeria side that failed to reach the Africa Nations Cup
Gamboa is playing in the first team, albeit not first choice.

Perhaps they are not the players we hoped they would be?
Varela, a winger, has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances for Portugal (according to Wikipedia), a nation ranked 7th in the world, and has scored 30 goals in 115 appearances for Porto, many of which were in the Champions League.

Ideye scored 33 in 74 appearances for Dynamo Kiev, again some of which were in the Champions League, and has scored 5 in 24 appearances for Nigeria. Our scouts managed to persuade Peace to part with £10m to sign him, substantially beating our previous record club transfer. It's widely acknowledged that the Nigerian head coach, Stephen Keshi, operates a very backwards selection process. His omission shouldn't be seen as a judgement of his ability.

Gamboa has 30 caps for Costa Rica and is a regular for his country, and shone at the 2014 World Cup, playing all 5 games, where they were beaten by Holland in the quarter final. He has played frequently for Rosenborg in the Europa League. We only managed to beat off competition from Everton due to previous work put in by the recruitment staff to secure his signature.

Blanco signed for his previous club in a transfer worth €6m. He was only ever a realistic transfer target for us due to the situation in Ukraine (same as Ideye), otherwise he's a player that would have been out of our reach. He's scored once in two caps for Argentina, and 14 in his 97 games for Metalist. Again, it was reported at the time that we had to beat off competition from a number of top European clubs for is signature because he is that highly rated.

These players are easily an improvement on the likes of Wisdom, Baird, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Dorrans and Anichebe who are guaranteed game time under Irvine. The reason they don't play is because Irvine wants to keep the clique happy, and they won't be as effective defensively as the (largely) British contingent.

Or do you trust Irvine's judgement over these players' pedigree?

Perhaps you should stop cherry picking your evidence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 02, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
Varela, a winger, has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances for Portugal (according to Wikipedia), a nation ranked 7th in the world, and has scored 30 goals in 115 appearances for Porto, many of which were in the Champions League.

Ideye scored 33 in 74 appearances for Dynamo Kiev, again some of which were in the Champions League, and has scored 5 in 24 appearances for Nigeria. Our scouts managed to persuade Peace to part with £10m to sign him, substantially beating our previous record club transfer. It's widely acknowledged that the Nigerian head coach, Stephen Keshi, operates a very backwards selection process. His omission shouldn't be seen as a judgement of his ability.

Gamboa has 30 caps for Costa Rica and is a regular for his country, and shone at the 2014 World Cup, playing all 5 games, where they were beaten by Holland in the quarter final. He has played frequently for Rosenborg in the Europa League. We only managed to beat off competition from Everton due to previous work put in by the recruitment staff to secure his signature.

Blanco signed for his previous club in a transfer worth €6m. He was only ever a realistic transfer target for us due to the situation in Ukraine (same as Ideye), otherwise he's a player that would have been out of our reach. He's scored once in two caps for Argentina, and 14 in his 97 games for Metalist. Again, it was reported at the time that we had to beat off competition from a number of top European clubs for is signature because he is that highly rated.

These players are easily an improvement on the likes of Wisdom, Baird, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Dorrans and Anichebe who are guaranteed game time under Irvine. The reason they don't play is because Irvine wants to keep the clique happy, and they won't be as effective defensively as the (largely) British contingent.

Or do you trust Irvine's judgement over these players' pedigree?

Perhaps you should stop cherry picking your evidence.

We've seen plenty of foreign players with a good pedigree come to the Premier League and become flops.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
We've seen plenty of foreign players with a good pedigree come to the Premier League and become flops.
Oh, you're right, better not let them play just in case then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2014, 07:42:41 PM
Varela, a winger, has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances for Portugal (according to Wikipedia), a nation ranked 7th in the world, and has scored 30 goals in 115 appearances for Porto, many of which were in the Champions League.

Ideye scored 33 in 74 appearances for Dynamo Kiev, again some of which were in the Champions League, and has scored 5 in 24 appearances for Nigeria. Our scouts managed to persuade Peace to part with £10m to sign him, substantially beating our previous record club transfer. It's widely acknowledged that the Nigerian head coach, Stephen Keshi, operates a very backwards selection process. His omission shouldn't be seen as a judgement of his ability.

Gamboa has 30 caps for Costa Rica and is a regular for his country, and shone at the 2014 World Cup, playing all 5 games, where they were beaten by Holland in the quarter final. He has played frequently for Rosenborg in the Europa League. We only managed to beat off competition from Everton due to previous work put in by the recruitment staff to secure his signature.

Blanco signed for his previous club in a transfer worth €6m. He was only ever a realistic transfer target for us due to the situation in Ukraine (same as Ideye), otherwise he's a player that would have been out of our reach. He's scored once in two caps for Argentina, and 14 in his 97 games for Metalist. Again, it was reported at the time that we had to beat off competition from a number of top European clubs for is signature because he is that highly rated.

These players are easily an improvement on the likes of Wisdom, Baird, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Dorrans and Anichebe who are guaranteed game time under Irvine. The reason they don't play is because Irvine wants to keep the clique happy, and they won't be as effective defensively as the (largely) British contingent.

Or do you trust Irvine's judgement over these players' pedigree?

Perhaps you should stop cherry picking your evidence.
Well structured and fair argument mate. Two sides to every story.
If the current bunch were performing, no-one would be clambering for change, but they aren't and because Irvine doesn't have the guts to drop them, conjecture is all we have.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 02, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
Out of your depth Alan, totally effing clueless
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 02, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
Out now please,clueless,pathetic,negative,horrible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 02, 2014, 09:59:37 PM
Based on that 20 minute performance, it's safe to assume that Irvine is completely wrong in not playing Varela for so long. He showed in 20 minutes what a bit of width can do and we very nearly got an equaliser. It's a real shame Irvine is managing some of these players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 02, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
Hey, JP, take a bite of some humble pie and ring up Pepe Mel. Tell him he can have his own backroom because our current one is useless. Let him have flamenco dancers, sangria on tap and a bullfight in the bullring.

He could sort this lot out.

Do it now. Please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 10:06:02 PM
Im fuming, get him out now. the polls dont lie how we feel >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Hey, JP, take a bite of some humble pie and ring up Pepe Mel. Tell him he can have his own backroom because our current one is useless. Let him have flamenco dancers, sangria on tap and a bullfight in the bullring.

He could sort this lot out.

Do it now. Please.


Completly and totally agree
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 02, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
Taxi for Irvine please (I will pay for it myself!) 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 02, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
That's your lot for me , Varela offered more in 30 mins than our entire team in the last 4 games yet has been ignored for weeks . Ending up with 5 forwards and Foster attacking.....clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on December 02, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
Can't see him surviving now, it's all gone the way we thought it would.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 10:10:08 PM
This man MUST go NOW! Without the need for statistics and "we were unfortunates", we are going DOWN unless we completely shake up our coaching staff. There is a prominent favour for certain current pros', and a laughable predictability about our whole make-up. We have some extremely talented, attacking, creative and able individuals in our squad. I appreciate that 'it takes a team to play football', but we don't! The whole squad needs an almighty 'kick up the backside' - we need to get some steel and hustle to reinvigorate this lost bunch of souls with no direction or clear goals to aspire to. We have a weak and vulnerable epicentre, we are on the verge of imploding trust me. On a positive note, Varela looked a breath of fresh air!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
Hey, JP, take a bite of some humble pie and ring up Pepe Mel. Tell him he can have his own backroom because our current one is useless. Let him have flamenco dancers, sangria on tap and a bullfight in the bullring.

He could sort this lot out.

Do it now. Please.
Yes please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 02, 2014, 10:11:59 PM
Anyone got Tony Pulis number?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
To the posters who have been trying to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, are you willing to accept you may have been wrong about some of our new signings, like Varela, and acknowledge that Irvine may not be the best judge of a quality player?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 02, 2014, 10:12:57 PM
Time to end the experiment. Many clubs have a traditional approach of a football leader at the top for good reason. A club needs a focal point not a committee of coaches. Strong leadership is desperately needed. Keep a structure to ensure due diligence for transfers but for Gods sake employ a leader to take this club forward.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 02, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Hey, JP, take a bite of some humble pie and ring up Pepe Mel. Tell him he can have his own backroom because our current one is useless. Let him have flamenco dancers, sangria on tap and a bullfight in the bullring.

He could sort this lot out.

Do it now. Please.

Totally right JP was a fool to get rid of him. If he could have bought in a fitness coach (as this lot were not fit enough to play his pressing on the front foot attacking style) and his assistant he would have done much better than Irvine. Would have loved to have seen what he could have done with the attacking players that AI doesn't rate. And if he does not play Varela from the start on Saturday he should be sacked on the spot. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 10:14:02 PM
Varela was frozen out of Porto, not given a squad number and not training with the first team.
Blanco was capped in 2010 against Haiti and Panama and has not featured for Argentina since.
Ideye can not get into a Nigeria side that failed to reach the Africa Nations Cup
Gamboa is playing in the first team, albeit not first choice.

Perhaps they are not the players we hoped they would be?

Well lets see them play so we can actually assess if they can step-up. My nan's not good enough for the first team but you can only take my word for it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 02, 2014, 10:14:37 PM
I find it shocking that we are in a no better position than 12 months ago coach/manager wise.. nothing has changed  and it's not as if we all didnt see this coming. JP took us for dheads, it's about time he went as well and anyone who had anything to do with this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
That's your lot for me , Varela offered more in 30 mins than our entire team in the last 4 games yet has been ignored for weeks . Ending up with 5 forwards and Foster attacking.....clueless.
.  Desperation  football clueless , not  a Pullis fan but get on the phone to him tomorrow need stability and some Premiership know how
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on December 02, 2014, 10:16:29 PM
 Time for a complete clear out of all coaching staff then get manager who can bring in his own staff the way the club is drifting its only going one way
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on December 02, 2014, 10:20:08 PM
I think he hasn't had the best set of circumstances and I don't think he is clueless as some people would make out but I do think we need to pull the trigger. As a club we aren't going to change our recruitment structure, it would mean spending more money. It's therefore imperative whoever is at the helm embraces that and utilises the players brought in. I think he has had some genuine reasons for not playing some of the players but it's December now and players like Varela and Gamboa aren't playing when we have no other genuine winger or right back.

Whether we'll sack him and bring in a manager for January is unlikely though. They'll want to do business in the January transfer window and JP will never sanction it. It will be another farce like the previous two appointments - probably February sometime.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:20:18 PM
I'm really excited about the squad we now have at our disposal, and I think we have a potentially really exciting team. We could be in for a real treat at the Hawthorns once we get in a positive manager to integrate the new signings into a system. Something like this would be a joy:
                 
                   Foster
Gamboa Dawson Lescott Pocognoli
           Mulumbu   Yacob
Varela        Sessegnon     Blanco
                     Ideye

Now all we need to do is get rid of the three individuals stifling the talent in the squad, and preventing us from seeing some really exciting football; Irvine, Downing and Kiely.

Viva Pepe Mel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 02, 2014, 10:20:50 PM
Just wanted to add my little voice to the argument. IRVINE OUT NOW!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Vassassin on December 02, 2014, 10:22:27 PM
Had enough of this clown, makes me cringe every time a game is coming up as it has the same attraction as watching a car accident. Tragic that we have the playing staff but he constantly has no idea what he is trying to achieve with every game. GET THE F*#@*K OUT you clown.  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 02, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Cue the excuses.......they're a very good side, 5th in the table, substitutions nearly worked :-X blah blah blah
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richphillips on December 02, 2014, 10:24:38 PM
I'm really excited about the squad we now have at our disposal, and I think we have a potentially really exciting team. We could be in for a real treat at the Hawthorns once we get in a positive manager to integrate the new signings into a system. Something like this would be a joy:
                 
                   Foster
Gamboa Dawson Lescott Pocognoli
           Mulumbu   Yacob
Varela        Sessegnon     Blanco
                     Ideye

Now all we need to do is get rid of the three individuals stifling the talent in the squad, and preventing us from seeing some really exciting football; Irvine, Downing and Kiely.

Viva Pepe Mel




are you assuming JP is going to be grabbing the cash for Berahino ASAP as he seems to be going off the boil as well as off the rails if he isnt careful?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
Said since day one. Not good enough. On your bike Ted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
I think he hasn't had the best set of circumstances and I don't think he is clueless as some people would make out but I do think we need to pull the trigger. As a club we aren't going to change our recruitment structure, it would mean spending more money. It's therefore imperative whoever is at the helm embraces that and utilises the players brought in. I think he has had some genuine reasons for not playing some of the players but it's December now and players like Varela and Wisdom aren't playing when we have no other genuine winger or right back.

Whether we'll sack him and bring in a manager for January is unlikely though. They'll want to do business in the January transfer window and JP will never sanction it. It will be another farce like the previous two appointments - probably February sometime.

"It would mean spending more money". We spent the best part of 12 mil on two players in Vic and Sess - the former couldn't hit a cows backside with a shovel, and the latter....as much as I rate him, lately he couldn't make a killer pass if the ball was filled with 10 pounds of semtex! We spend 9/10 mil on a striker that makes reminds me more of a kebabs and stumbling out of a former Birmingham club venue than his exploits on the pitch - and you think we can't make shot of Irvine and a couple of leaches because of cash flow?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on December 02, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
"It would mean spending more money". We spent the best part of 12 mil on two players in Vic and Sess - the former couldn't hit a cows backside with a shovel, and the latter....as much as I rate him, lately he couldn't make a killer pass if the ball was filled with 10 pounds of semtex! We spend 9/10 mil on a striker that makes reminds me more of a kebabs and stumbling out of a former Birmingham club venue than his exploits on the pitch - and you think we can't make shot of Irvine and a couple of leaches because of cash flow?!

Well if we get a new manger before January and spend some money I'll be happy to be proven wrong
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
In all seriousness, this clown (and Downing and Kiely too) can't remain here, they're killing our club by not playing our best talent, the likes of Varela, Gamboa, Blanco and Ideye. If these players aren't given a proper opportunity, it'll be a massive mistake. Especially when the likes of Wisdom, going back to Liverpool at the end of the season anyway, are playing ahead of them and can barely make a pass. Unfathomable stuff from Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
Also worth noting our points per game ratio is less than 1 now, so if Irvine stays we're going down when you take into account our run-in. He can't complain.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:37:26 PM
Has he gone yet?.watching Sky sports news just got this feeling he will be gone tonight
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 10:38:58 PM
Has he gone yet?.watching Sky sports news just got this feeling he will be gone tonight


I will dance the streets of Exeter naked
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 02, 2014, 10:41:23 PM
This is the lowest I have ever felt as an Albion Fan.

Tonight was like watching a pantomime!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mini gaardsoe on December 02, 2014, 10:41:32 PM
Simply has to go now or it's bye bye Premier League, not good enough!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
Just wondered if the poster who asked if anyone was ready to eat humble pie is ready to eat it himself. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 02, 2014, 10:42:35 PM
I am fully expecting to wake up to the news Irvine has been sacked JP please get pulis in to sort this mess if you want to carry on benefiting from the cash cow that is the premier league
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:42:38 PM
This is the lowest I have ever felt as an Albion Fan.

Tonight was like watching a pantomime!
It was! I was weirdly enjoying it. Most entertaining game under Irvine so far. Foster playing on the right-wing, great fun!

That probably doesn't reflect all that well on the coaching team, mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 02, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
Well lets see them play so we can actually assess if they can step-up. My nan's not good enough for the first team but you can only take my word for it!
ill take the gamble, what position does she play ??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:44:48 PM
If we're struggling to find a replacement I'm willing to put the third year of my degree on hold and sort out the team?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on December 02, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
The more i think about it the more I think he'll be gone tomorrow. Just can't see Peace accepting the backlash that is building.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
ill take the gamble, what position does she play ??

Well she tends to just stand in the centre circle......can only really toe-poke backwards. She gets a little flustered and lost when asked to 'push forward' - unless of course she can wheel herself into the penalty area to play a one-two with Foster in the dying minutes. Is she in?!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
Can you imagine if we go down and peace keeps him on having to endure this in the championship
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 02, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
So would it be fair to say that quite a lot of us would like to see the back of him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 02, 2014, 10:48:20 PM
Just wondered if the poster who asked if anyone was ready to eat humble pie is ready to eat it himself.

Can't believe I had a piece when it was going around 😖
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
So would it be fair to say that quite a lot of us would like to see the back of him?
91% according to the poll, and the few that were undecided may well have voted for him to go now too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 02, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
Just wondered if the poster who asked if anyone was ready to eat humble pie is ready to eat it himself.

Can't believe I had a piece when it was going around 😖
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 02, 2014, 10:49:45 PM
We had enough chances to win the game tonight. It's a results business though and that's now four losses in a row so form needs to improve starting at Hull. I know I'm in the minority but I'm happy to stick with Irvine for the time being.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zac on December 02, 2014, 10:50:09 PM
A part of me feels sorry for him, but he isn't helping himself. Time to part ways and wish him well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 02, 2014, 10:51:17 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 10:51:33 PM
Can you imagine if we go down and peace keeps him on having to endure this in the championship

I'm not joking i've posted my fears about just that sureno happening in past posts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: richjonawba on December 02, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
91% according to the poll, and the few that were undecided may well have voted for him to go now too

I reckon the people who voted "stay" or "undecided" only did so to make a phallus shaped pattern, possibly a clever nod towards what they really think of Irvine  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 02, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:53:10 PM
We had enough chances to win the game tonight. It's a results business though and that's now four losses in a row so form needs to improve starting at Hull. I know I'm in the minority but I'm happy to stick with Irvine for the time being.
You're stubborn
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:53:56 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.
I'd love that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 02, 2014, 10:54:53 PM
Latest post match comment from AI which seems devoid of any sense :

" you can't keep criticising people when they need support to help them"

What does he mean?

Anyone know?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
I reckon the people who voted "stay" or "undecided" only did so to make a phallus shaped pattern, possibly a clever nod towards what they really think of Irvine  8)
Haha, either that or by mistake.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:55:20 PM
i hope irvine wins the next euro millions draw so he can sod off and retire
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2014, 10:55:37 PM
The Mel ship has obviously sailed.  But minimum 2 sackings ideally 4 need to happen tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 02, 2014, 10:56:25 PM
If we're struggling to find a replacement I'm willing to put the third year of my degree on hold and sort out the team?

I would also consider it, although it would be difficult leaving my current free flowing attacking team for this shower of pooh.

For what's its worth Aidy Boothroyd was manager of the opposition's under 15 team last Sunday, given his fall from grace perhaps there is a chance for me to move the other way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 10:56:42 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.

That would get my vote
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 10:56:43 PM
The Mel ship has obviously sailed.  But minimum 2 sackings ideally 4 need to happen tonight.
4. Irvine, Downing, Kiely, Burton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 10:56:59 PM
We had enough chances to win the game tonight. It's a results business though and that's now four losses in a row so form needs to improve starting at Hull. I know I'm in the minority but I'm happy to stick with Irvine for the time being.



That's it let's give him some more time to get it right, let's give him until the last five games why don't we
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 10:57:21 PM
i hope irvine wins the next euro millions draw so he can sod off and retire

Funny........I think he's already won the lotto my friend!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 02, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
You're stubborn

I call it blind faith.

We have had a long line of negative boooooooring managers now. Time for someone to bring out the football in our squad.

Time for JP to sort this mess out. It is obvious that whoever is in charge of the "due diligence" part hasn't got a clue, so we need a clear out there as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:00:42 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:00:46 PM
4. Irvine, Downing, Kiely, Burton.
don't you mean Kelly, or do you want him to have the job . Just a thought hasn't Kelly worked with Pullis at Stoke ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:01:33 PM
I call it blind faith.

We have had a long line of negative boooooooring managers now. Time for someone to bring out the football in our squad.

Time for JP to sort this mess out. It is obvious that whoever is in charge of the "due diligence" part hasn't got a clue, so we need a clear out there as well.
Yep, can't afford to give Downing and Kiely free rein for six weeks while we interview the likes of Dave Jones for the sake of "due dilligence". We should only be speaking to managers potentially worth appointing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2014, 11:02:47 PM
We had enough chances to win the game tonight. It's a results business though and that's now four losses in a row so form needs to improve starting at Hull. I know I'm in the minority but I'm happy to stick with Irvine for the time being.

Fair play Legend if ever i was backed into a corner with you by my side i've have no fear of being left alone.
Can i ask is there any way that you see him not getting your vote
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 11:02:59 PM
Times up for me, we went behind and knew what to expect and it happened, out of his depth from day one.

Any coach who changes his substitution as he appeared to do when the crowd start chanting might as well walk away. Samaras was warming up. This bloke will take us down well before the last 5 games.

Please go and take Downing, Kiely, Kelly and Burton with you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:03:23 PM
don't you mean Kelly, or do you want him to have the job . Just a thought hasn't Kelly worked with Pullis at Stoke ?
You're right. 5: Irvine, Kelly, Downing, Kiely, Burton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on December 02, 2014, 11:03:46 PM
Just back from the match. Same old same old. But at least we gave it a go I guess.  I don’t know what the way forward is because any answers I can think of Peace won’t do. E.g. Pulis wont be asked won’t come (because of setup, backroom staff director of football etc. Replace Pulis with another managers of any repute – “wont be asked wont come (because of setup, backroom staff director of football etc.”
So there is no answer without Peace having a personality transplant. I haven’t felt this despondent since erm Irvine was first announced as our new manager.
I think Bomber Brown on the radio said it all while I was on the way to the game. Tom Ross asked him “is it the players, Irvine or the formation” he said “it was having not bought better players over the last 3 years when to replace the one’s we sold or had to give back Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie
Please someone give me some hope of a way forward.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 02, 2014, 11:03:59 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.



That would get MY vote too.... but I am sure you all know I'd say that! I don't think that ship has sailed if JP is prepared to give it a go. It's a no-brainer to me.

BTW been trying to post this for ages!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
If we spend millions on footballers why can't we do the same getting the right coach in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 02, 2014, 11:04:50 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

So the subs were just down to fan pressure?! Was you there? I'd like to know what the atmosphere was like as it was hard to tell via stream.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 02, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
Bring back Pepe Mel, give him a 2.5 year contract as MANAGER and assure him that if we go down then he remains in the role with the chance to rebuild us and bring stability to the club.

He can bring in his entourage - sack Downing and Kiely as well.  They have to go.

Keep Burton on for the time being, but the Manager must a Manager not a mere Head Coach.

Pepe should never have been sacked and he would keep us up with this squad but he is needed now, not in late January - would be far too late.

Time for a rebuild.

That would be great but it won't happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on December 02, 2014, 11:06:47 PM
He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

Although it may not have been entirely up to him. Burton could have had a word, in which case his position is weak.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
I will ask jack to do his Spanish flag thingy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 11:08:16 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

If "he's not good enough", why does it make a difference that he "bowed down or not". From his team selection from Baird, to Vic, not playing Varela, no Brown - how has he "bowed down"? If he hadn't brought them on, he would of been lambasted! If anything his team selection (initially) was two fingers up to the fans. This is nothing personal, I very much respect Irvine and him as man - nobody has suggested anything to the contrary.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for him one bit. He may be a nice bloke but he is not in the business to be liked , he is in to get results, he is not doing it and the last few days have been spent blaming everyone from the players and the recruitment staff to the club structure to deflect it from him. Varela has made him look an even bigger fool tonight with his performance after his claims about him not being fit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 02, 2014, 11:10:21 PM
Just back from the match. Same old same old. But at least we gave it a go I guess.  I don’t know what the way forward is because any answers I can think of Peace won’t do. E.g. Pulis wont be asked won’t come (because of setup, backroom staff director of football etc. Replace Pulis with another managers of any repute – “wont be asked wont come (because of setup, backroom staff director of football etc.”
So there is no answer without Peace having a personality transplant. I haven’t felt this despondent since erm Irvine was first announced as our new manager.
I think Bomber Brown on the radio said it all while I was on the way to the game. Tom Ross asked him “is it the players, Irvine or the formation” he said “it was having not bought better players over the last 3 years when to replace the one’s we sold or had to give back Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie
Please someone give me some hope of a way forward.

I don't see Pulis as the answer. He'd just be another head ache after a little while. We need someone positive, not another negative nellie.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 02, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
The Irvine thread is closing in on 200 pages. I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of them are from Albion fans criticising him. The problem is that we are all preaching to the converted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:12:37 PM
What was the attendance and what was the atmosphere in the ground like towards Irvine , I couldn't hear anything bad on radio
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 02, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

So the subs were just down to fan pressure?! Was you there? I'd like to know what the atmosphere was like as it was hard to tell via stream.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
What was the attendance and what was the atmosphere in the ground like towards Irvine , I couldn't hear anything bad on radio

The second half turned into one big bashing Irvine session.

Chanting for Varela and Brown to which he duly obliged - cheering every touch of the ball they received which I didnt have a problem with.

Some of the chants included "Alan Irvine's a football geinius", "Alan Irvine get out of our club" and "we've got Father Ted".

Some fans asked him for a wave and then after he waved, they followed by booing him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 02, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
I don't see Pulis as the answer. He'd just be another head ache after a little while. We need someone positive, not another negative nellie.

The question is can we get someone to motivate the squad, make us hard to beat and keep us in the Prem.
 
He's not perfect, but Pulis ticks all those boxes for me.

Bottom line is this: we need to stop farting about with due diligence, stop the penny pinching on managers and pay for a bloke with a TRACK RECORD.

Who else is available apart from Pulis? (that ain't a rhetorical question by the way, I'm genuinely hard pressed to think).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 02, 2014, 11:20:14 PM
The Irvine thread is closing in on 200 pages. I wouldn't mind betting that the majority of them are from Albion fans criticising him. The problem is that we are all preaching to the converted.

Let's see if we get a Hallelujah from Peace.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 02, 2014, 11:21:08 PM
The second half turned into one big bashing Irvine session.

Chanting for Varela and Brown to which he duly obliged - cheering every touch of the ball they received which I didnt have a problem with.

Some of the chants included "Alan Irvine's a football geinius", "Alan Irvine get out of our club" and "we've got Father Ted".

Some fans asked him for a wave and then after he waved, they followed by booing him.

As much as I want him gone, publicly taking the urine out of him isn't on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:21:48 PM
So the subs were just down to fan pressure?! Was you there? I'd like to know what the atmosphere was like as it was hard to tell via stream.

The fans spent the majority of the second half chanting for Brown and Varela.

We haven't seen either of them all season yet after the fans continuously chanted "We want Brown" he was brought onto the pitch.

It doesn't correspond with the other substitutions Irvine has made in his tenure here, he usually opts for Samaras and Gamboa - Samaras coincidentally was getting ready to come on until another few chants from the crowd after which Brown Ideye then took his tracksuit off and Samaras sat down.

I have no doubts about it, the fans made those two substitutions and unsurprisingly - Varela was very good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 02, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
The second half turned into one big bashing Irvine session.

Chanting for Varela and Brown to which he duly obliged - cheering every touch of the ball they received which I didnt have a problem with.

Some of the chants included "Alan Irvine's a football geinius", "Alan Irvine get out of our club" and "we've got Father Ted".

Some fans asked him for a wave and then after he waved, they followed by booing him.

As much as I want him gone, publicly taking the urine out of him isn't on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 02, 2014, 11:22:15 PM
Got to go so we can get someone in before christmas. The fans have turned, I didn't go out of choice and won't be going to the next one. Look at tonight's comments he's made, absolutely deluded.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 02, 2014, 11:22:37 PM
I bet there's not an Albion fan out there who would have named AI as their choice of head coach before he was given the job. Most people's attitude then was ok he's here give him a chance. The situation now is people's fears when he was appointed are staring us in the face so JP needs to react now, and not in January before wielding the axe and giving us a chance of staying up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 02, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
As much as I want him gone, publicly taking the urine out of him isn't on.
Then maybe he shouldn't insult our fans by constantly talking rubbish and saying certain players aren't anywhere near good enough, only to be proven wrong by their performances, i.e. Varela tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 02, 2014, 11:23:53 PM
He's now 2/1 to be next PL manager to be sacked - was 10/1 this morning!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:24:15 PM
He was doomed from the start, he will never be accepted. Do the decent thing somebody
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 02, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
As much as I want him gone, publicly taking the urine out of him isn't on.

Agreed, unfortunately we all have level's.....some are below and some, above.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on December 02, 2014, 11:27:01 PM
AI had an utter mountain to climb and the odds on him doing it we huge, it's proved a spectacular failure as most predicted form day 1. It was a shocking appointment.

Just remove him tomorrow and appoint Pulis.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:27:55 PM
As much as I want him gone, publicly taking the urine out of him isn't on.

My previous post didn't include the posts of "can we pick the team for you", "we pick our own team" and "can we pick the team next week".

After Irvine made the changes, bowing more or less to the fans, sections of the Smethwick chanted "Alan Irvine - he's under the thumb".

"Your just Downing's number two" was another.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bedfordbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:28:23 PM
Got to go

You know where really in the pooh when they start  playing the Liquidator
 :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2014, 11:29:43 PM
He seems a nice man, disgusting behavior from a large amount of our fans that he doesn't deserve. Want him out by all means but acting like playground bullies reflects very poorly on the fan base. It's embarrassing. Irvine might not be good enough but frankly anyone would struggle with the atmosphere the ground creates. Partly why we're much better away than at home, it just puts everyone on edge.


Perhaps nearly as embarrassing as the amount of people who seem to think there's any chance of getting Mel back. Even ignoring he has I think the worst win percentage of any manager we've ever had, its just not happening for various reasons. It's funny, Mel was very poor, but a nice man. As is Irvine. One is revered, the other hated. Mel apparently loved because his football - which was actually Keith Downing. The same fans who would hate Downing as manager love his style because they think a Spaniard was behind it. It's quite funny really.

Considering Dave Jones nearly got the job in January, Irvine got the job in June, and both these took over a month, I'm really not sure why anyone, anywhere expects we'd get even a passably decent manager. The very, very, very best we could do is maybe Chris Hughton. And even he I doubt would take it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:32:57 PM
Sorry, I cannot feel sorry for him one bit. He may be a nice bloke but he is not in the business to be liked , he is in to get results, he is not doing it and the last few days have been spent blaming everyone from the players and the recruitment staff to the club structure to deflect it from him. Varela has made him look an even bigger fool tonight with his performance after his claims about him not being fit.

I agree with you - the deflections and his team selections have been poor. I agree that its time for him to be sacked.

I felt sorry for him tonight because I don't think he warranted the abuse. If we have been losing 3-0 I could have understood but we were losing 2-1, we were controlling the game and our fans seemed more interested in slagging the head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
He seems a nice man, disgusting behavior from a large amount of our fans that he doesn't deserve. Want him out by all means but acting like playground bullies reflects very poorly on the fan base. It's embarrassing.

Perhaps nearly as embarrassing as the amount of people who seem to think there's any chance of getting Mel back. Even ignoring he has I think the worst win percentage of any manager we've ever had, its just not happening for various reasons.

Irvine might not be good enough but frankly anyone would struggle with the atmosphere the ground creates. Partly why we're much better away than at home, it just puts everyone on edge.
The reason the atmosphere is like it is at home is because of the football Irvine has been dishing up. He's been given chances week after week to pick teams that would play the kind of football which would get fans onside. He's consistently thrown those chances back in the fans faces with the same old midfield five. I don't agree with the taunting he received, but other than that, he got the atmosphere he deserved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 02, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
Not condoning him being abused and to be honest apart from boos I heard nothing in the Brummie but you think this is bad ask Bobby Gould how bad it could be  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:36:31 PM
Not condoning him being abused and to be honest apart from boos I heard nothing in the Brummie but you think this is bad ask Bobby Gould how bad it could be  :D

I do not under any circumstances tolerate Scottish people being abused  :D

Regarding the chants - ask Mick!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 02, 2014, 11:37:22 PM
Not condoning him being abused and to be honest apart from boos I heard nothing in the Brummie but you think this is bad ask Bobby Gould how bad it could be  :D

I heard nothing of what has been claimed sat in the East Stand.

The only chants I heard were for Varela and Brown.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
Worth remembering that in the same fixture at the end of last season, we beat West Ham 1-0 under Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 02, 2014, 11:44:48 PM
The reason the atmosphere is like it is at home is because of the football Irvine has been dishing up. He's been given chances week after week to pick teams that would play the kind of football which would get fans onside. He's consistently thrown those chances back in the fans faces with the same old midfield five. I don't agree with the taunting he received, but other than that, he got the atmosphere he deserved.
Totally agree.......

The bright first 15 mins and goal got him and the team off the hook for most of tonight.
It was like we flicked a switch then and the last 25 minutes of the first half were dire and, surprise surprise , West Ham won the games in that time.
Yes, we huffed and puffed second half as Allardyce just got his team to defend but showed little real quality (except for Varela) where it matters in and around the box. We were never going to win this game from the moment the Ammers went 2-1 up and the crowd knew it.

This was against a side that were there for the taking and continues our appalling run with the manager way out of his depth now - even responding to crowd chants about who to put on !  Brown is appalling and should never have been put on as he just got in the way of anything positive - in this instance Samaras would have offered more !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
He seems a nice man, disgusting behavior from a large amount of our fans that he doesn't deserve. Want him out by all means but acting like playground bullies reflects very poorly on the fan base. It's embarrassing. Irvine might not be good enough but frankly anyone would struggle with the atmosphere the ground creates. Partly why we're much better away than at home, it just puts everyone on edge.


Perhaps nearly as embarrassing as the amount of people who seem to think there's any chance of getting Mel back. Even ignoring he has I think the worst win percentage of any manager we've ever had, its just not happening for various reasons. It's funny, Mel was very poor, but a nice man. As is Irvine. One is revered, the other hated. Mel apparently loved because his football - which was actually Keith Downing. The same fans who would hate Downing as manager love his style because they think a Spaniard was behind it. It's quite funny really.

Considering Dave Jones nearly got the job in January, Irvine got the job in June, and both these took over a month, I'm really not sure why anyone, anywhere expects we'd get even a passably decent manager. The very, very, very best we could do is maybe Chris Hughton. And even he I doubt would take it.
I'm hoping Peace will finally be willing to let go of Downing and Kiely, and let the new man bring in his own people. If that's the case, we should be able to attract someone suitable to manage a club in arguably the best league in the world.

When Mel was sacked, Lepkowski reported that there was a very impressive list of applicants. The reason we ended up with Irvine was likely due to the insistence on working with Downing and Kiely, and refusal to pay the necessary compensation. If that changes, we've got a chance. Who could we possibly appoint that's worse than Irvine anyway?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bombersboots on December 02, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
He seems a nice man, disgusting behavior from a large amount of our fans that he doesn't deserve. Want him out by all means but acting like playground bullies reflects very poorly on the fan base. It's embarrassing.

Perhaps nearly as embarrassing as the amount of people who seem to think there's any chance of getting Mel back. Even ignoring he has I think the worst win percentage of any manager we've ever had, its just not happening for various reasons.

Irvine might not be good enough but frankly anyone would struggle with the atmosphere the ground creates. Partly why we're much better away than at home, it just puts everyone on edge.

Also another disgustingly abject and very predictable performance from our coaching and playing staff, Irvine's a big lad, he didn't have to take the job, but did because he fancied the challenge. The sad truth is the fans feel like they are loosing the club to terrible desicions over which they have no control. One thing they do have is a voice, and thank god for that because I'ts about the only entertaining about our home form at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 02, 2014, 11:50:40 PM
Worth remembering that in the same fixture at the end of last season, we beat West Ham 1-0 under Pepe Mel.

This is what I mean, after the Palace loss, Keith Downing was our head coach in all but name. All this praise for Mel is praise for Keith Downing. It's bizarre. We didn't even do well in that time. West Ham were much worse then anyway, but regardless we were abysmal for almost every game in those months.

Just to be clear, the football under Irvine is very poor. It's just this idea that Mel was somehow any better because of his reputation (which isn't even very good bar 2 seasons with Betis).

If the club have any sense they'll get another rubbish Spanish manager and even if they relegate us with 15 points that'll keep most our fans happy. Maybe change Keith Downing's name to Keith Gonzales seeing as people seem to love his football so much.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 02, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
My previous post didn't include the posts of "can we pick the team for you", "we pick our own team" and "can we pick the team next week".

After Irvine made the changes, bowing more or less to the fans, sections of the Smethwick chanted "Alan Irvine - he's under the thumb".

"Your just Downing's number two" was another.

Nothing of this heard from the Brummie ?
If we lose to Vile then the gloves will be off for him !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 02, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

Agree totally Liam,  shame it's come to this, but most of the second half tonight was blind panic, Time to move him on I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:53:44 PM
This is what I mean, after the Palace loss, Keith Downing was our head coach in all but name. All this praise for Mel is praise for Keith Downing. It's bizarre. We didn't even do well in that time. West Ham were much worse then anyway, but regardless we were abysmal for almost every game in those months.

Just to be clear, the football under Irvine is very poor. It's just this idea that Mel was somehow any better because of his reputation (which isn't even very good bar 2 seasons with Betis).

If the club have any sense they'll get another rubbish Spanish manager and even if they relegate us with 15 points that'll keep most our fans happy. Maybe change Keith Downing's name to Keith Gonzales seeing as people seem to love his football so much.
If you're saying Downing was in charge during that time, and saying that period was so terrible, then I presume you're in favour of him being sacked?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 02, 2014, 11:54:37 PM
Pepe mel has been a dam site more successful than Ted in his career
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 02, 2014, 11:54:59 PM
Then maybe he shouldn't insult our fans by constantly talking rubbish and saying certain players aren't anywhere near good enough, only to be proven wrong by their performances, i.e. Varela tonight.

He's got a lot to answer for regarding leaving Varela out in the cold for so long when he's been fit !   >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 02, 2014, 11:59:06 PM
Nothing of this heard from the Brummie ?
If we lose to Vile then the gloves will be off for him !

I guess it obviously wasn't that loud but it was loud enough.

The longer Irvine stays the worse they will become.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 12:00:27 AM
The last time we scored a goal from open play was eight games ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
If you're saying Downing was in charge during that time, and saying that period was so terrible, then I presume you're in favour of him being sacked?

Well no as i've repeatedly said the club has problems far deeper than the manager. There's no point sacking Irvine only to have Downing as caretaker for the next 7 weeks before we get Dave Jones in as manager.

Our last 3 appointments have taken progressively longer and all over a month. It's pretty clear pretty much no one with credibility applies for the Albion job - Irvine didn't either, we approached him.

The absolute best we could dream of is Chris Hughton who plays pretty the same as Irvine. And even then I imagine he'd probably reject the constraints we'd make him be under. Literally the only people who want this job are those who's reputation is at rock bottom, or those who have no experience.

And before you say it couldn't get worse than Irvine, consider the club highly rates Michael Appleton as a coach.

Pepe mel has been a dam site more successful than Ted in his career

At one point he went through 7 clubs in 5 years. He's really, really not that good. Maybe we should get Alex McLeish who's also managed the odd good season in his career.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 03, 2014, 12:01:40 AM
He was doomed from the start, he will never be accepted. Do the decent thing somebody

He had quite an easy ride as fans, despite total disbelief when he was appointed, for his first three months or so as we assessed where we mighty go under him. An alarming November has seen the worst fears emerge and, as he has not earnt any previous plus points with the support, a rapid disintegration of his position as predictably taken place...........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 12:02:40 AM
The last time we scored a goal from open play was seven games ago.



Absolutely shocking. Clarke got sacked on the back of four losses. Pull that trigger Jeremy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 03, 2014, 12:03:03 AM
I guess it obviously wasn't that loud but it was loud enough.

The longer Irvine stays the worse they will become.

Defeat in the next two and I will lead the dismissal chants from the Brummie post Villa !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
Well no as i've repeatedly said the club has problems far deeper than the manager. There's no point sacking Irvine only to have Downing as caretaker for the next 7 weeks before we get Dave Jones in as manager.

Our last 3 appointments have taken progressively longer and all over a month. It's pretty clear pretty much no one with credibility applies for the Albion job - Irvine didn't either, we approached him.

The absolute best we could dream of is Chris Hughton who plays pretty the same as Irvine. And even then I imagine he'd probably reject the constraints we'd make him be under.

At one point he went through 7 clubs in 5 years. He's really, really not that good. Maybe we should get Alex McLeish who's also managed the odd good season in his career.
I meant in favour of Downing being sacked
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 12:05:02 AM
Irvine out tee shirts £2.00 if anybody wants one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 12:05:37 AM
I meant in favour of Downing being sacked

No, he's not our head coach. He's not to blame for having to take over from an incompetent head coach.

Any prospective manager we do hire should be allowed however to decide their own coaching staff and it should be on them if they want Downing as part of that. Not just sacking him for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 12:05:40 AM


Absolutely shocking. Clarke got sacked on the back of four losses. Pull that trigger Jeremy
In fact, that was Anichebe's headed goal against Palace which was from a corner, so I think it's eight. I'll go back and correct it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2014, 12:13:31 AM
I'm nearer the front of the Brummie and I heard what Liam describes. For me he deserves all he gets. This is just a stage in the process, the taking the urine stage. The next one is audible vehemous Irvine Out chants.

He also showed tonight he has no professional integrity. Bowing to fan pressure as he was about to bring Samaras on. Clarke did something similar with Odemwingie but this was far worse as there were no extenuating circumstances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 03, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
How can he keep playing Wisdom at right back over Gamboa? We were desperate for some width on the right, Mulumbu was doing his nut in with Wisdom playing square all the time.

So many obvious team selections that are required:

1) Valera needs a run wide left
2) Gamboa should be the first choice right back
3) Dawson needs to be dropped for McAuley
4) Mulumbu should play in the middle alongside Morrison / Gardner or Yacob
5) Anichebe is a sub, as is Dorrans and Brunt
6) Samaras should get a go upfront with Berahino
7) Lescott should be named captain
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 03, 2014, 06:58:39 AM
Has he sacked him yet?

I can't take this anymore - I'm going as grey at Ted and I'm not 30 yet!  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 07:06:20 AM
He's got another stay vote since we lost again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on December 03, 2014, 07:22:04 AM
How can he keep playing Wisdom at right back over Gamboa? We were desperate for some width on the right, Mulumbu was doing his nut in with Wisdom playing square all the time.

So many obvious team selections that are required:

1) Valera needs a run wide left
2) Gamboa should be the first choice right back
3) Dawson needs to be dropped for McAuley
4) Mulumbu should play in the middle alongside Morrison / Gardner or Yacob
5) Anichebe is a sub, as is Dorrans and Brunt
6) Samaras should get a go upfront with Berahino
7) Lescott should be named captain

I couldn't agree more. We actually have the foundations of a good exciting attacking team under the right manager. We saw this last night for the last 15 minutes. Sadly, we have Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 03, 2014, 07:30:48 AM
To look on the bright side we've had Gamboa, Valera and Brown all get on the pitch in the past 4 days. We need to see a lot more of them now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 03, 2014, 07:32:43 AM
To look on the bright side we've had Gamboa, Valera and Brown all get on the pitch in the past 4 days. We need to see a lot more of them now.

I would agree, but without Irvine...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 03, 2014, 07:38:22 AM
The last time we scored a goal from open play was eight games ago.
Nice spin  ;) Usually we get asked when was the last time we scored from a set piece and criticise thecoaches.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 03, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
He had quite an easy ride as fans, despite total disbelief when he was appointed, for his first three months or so as we assessed where we mighty go under him. An alarming November has seen the worst fears emerge and, as he has not earnt any previous plus points with the support, a rapid disintegration of his position as predictably taken place...........
If by an alarming November you mean defeats to two sides consistently in the top 16 in Europe,  the form team in the Premier league and a victory against our relegation rivals, if he does get sacked I pity the next bloke coming in as the bar of expectation is set pretty high.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 07:46:46 AM
If by an alarming November you mean defeats to two sides consistently in the top 16 in Europe,  the form team in the Premier league and a victory against our relegation rivals, if he does get sacked I pity the next bloke coming in as the bar of expectation is set pretty high.

Nice spin  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 03, 2014, 07:58:32 AM
Irvine out tee shirts £2.00 if anybody wants one

Do we get a refund if JP doesn't sack him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 03, 2014, 07:59:31 AM
If by an alarming November you mean defeats to two sides consistently in the top 16 in Europe,  the form team in the Premier league and a victory against our relegation rivals, if he does get sacked I pity the next bloke coming in as the bar of expectation is set pretty high.

As it bloody well should be. Time we starting thinking more highly of ourselves rather than being humble and grateful for any scrap we are offered.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 08:02:09 AM
i cannot believe hes still in a job.I cannot see us winning another game with him in charge. nobody will stomach this in the championship if we go down so get rid now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 03, 2014, 08:04:31 AM
i know it's only 8am, thought he'd be gone by now..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 03, 2014, 08:05:21 AM
If by an alarming November you mean defeats to two sides consistently in the top 16 in Europe,  the form team in the Premier league and a victory against our relegation rivals, if he does get sacked I pity the next bloke coming in as the bar of expectation is set pretty high.

Are you alan irvine. You're looking at results which are awful, we could have got something out of Newcastle, arsenal and should beat crystal palace but the reason we didn't was because of how the team is set up to defend. You're defence of irvine in ridiculous at times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 03, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
In the Premiership you have to have players to be able to break teams down, we dont set up to do that. We focus far too much on the opposition rather than what we can do. I couldn't bear to watch the second half last night as I knew how bad it could get watching us play under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 03, 2014, 08:22:39 AM
Dick Advocaat is available now, give him a 2 year deal and bring his staff in, will be expensive but worth it. Would love to see the players try and moan to him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 03, 2014, 08:27:15 AM
Dick Advocaat is available now, give him a 2 year deal and bring his staff in, will be expensive but worth it. Would love to see the players try and moan to him!

Said exactly the same last night.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
Nice spin  ;) Usually we get asked when was the last time we scored from a set piece and criticise thecoaches.  ;)
Spin?! I think you'll find it's an indisputable fact mate, and a frightening one at that. I'm pointing out our weaknesses under Irvine. One of them is whenever the ball is in play...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 08:42:40 AM
If by an alarming November you mean defeats to two sides consistently in the top 16 in Europe,  the form team in the Premier league and a victory against our relegation rivals, if he does get sacked I pity the next bloke coming in as the bar of expectation is set pretty high.

I think the abuse AI has received from some of the "fans" has been appalling, & totally disrespectful, & up to last night at 9Oclock, I would probable have agreed with you. In the second half, it was as though he'd "tipped up" a sack of players & left them to it, all methodology & planning went out of the window, that tipped it for me.
I think he has to go, it's unlikely that he'll resign, because he would lose a lot of money, but IMO, JP has to move him on now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 03, 2014, 08:45:17 AM

08:43am. He's still here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 08:46:08 AM
Interesting to see Steve Madeley's support of Irvine seems to have dropped an awful lot on Twitter .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 03, 2014, 08:46:44 AM
i cannot believe hes still in a job.I cannot see us winning another game with him in charge. nobody will stomach this in the championship if we go down so get rid now

i cant stomach it now - really regretting the season ticket! I will go against the villa just in the very very unlikely event we win and i could not bear to miss it. Any other game and i would not go - we simply do not set out to win the game, the selections are all over the place, substitutions laughable and the football is dire. While AI is there im staying in the pub!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 08:46:44 AM
Embarrasing that he was due to give Samaras a go and changed his mind with the chants. Weak, no mark gaffer. I'm also glad that Varela proved what he can do as well, but never mind he probably still wont be 'ready' for Saturday, Irvine probably push him down the stairs at training today.

I'm sorry but I don't understand the people that 'feel sorry' for him. The guy did what anyone would do, and took a job way out of his depth. He should feel sorry for us fans, paying to watch the garbage he dishes up. Last night from what I can gather displayed any sort of tactical awareness, sat back at 1-0 in a home game when we should have been pushing for a second.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 08:53:31 AM
If he isn't gone by the end of the day we can assume he will be here for the next game.

I'm hopeful something will happen today, however expect I will be left disapointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 03, 2014, 08:56:00 AM
Interesting to see Steve Madeley's support of Irvine seems to have dropped an awful lot on Twitter .

that may be because he doesn't have to tow the party line anymore and risk being cut off by the club.

the new media team are his friends so his own views are starting to come through
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 08:58:34 AM
Cant honestly see him being sacked anytime soon, JP still likes him as does TB. If results are the same at the end of December then it could be a different story.
If he does get the boot Downing will get the job, so i wouldnt get too excited.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:09:41 AM
Cant honestly see him being sacked anytime soon, JP still likes him as does TB. If results are the same at the end of December then it could be a different story.
If he does get the boot Downing will get the job, so i wouldnt get too excited.


Too late then. Downing is a better option
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Last nights summary for me:

We started the better team, got the early goal, then either by instructions or confidence, we sat back far too deep and allowed West Ham to get in the game.

Could sense we were going to concede before half time, although I wasnt expecting to go in at half time losing.

The second half I think everyone in the ground knew what was going to happen, West Ham would sit back and allow us to 'try' break them down.

The main concern for me was Irvines allowance to let the fans pressure him into the subs. I think he thought by bringing Valera and Brown on he has given the fans what they want to get off his back, but all it has done is made him look weak.

Samaras was warming up to be the last substitution before continous Brown Ideye songs, and Rob Kelly saying something in Irvines ear, convinced him to 'give in.'

I watched Irvine quite alot last night and to me he looks a defeated man, constantly looking at his watch, constantly having Kelly/Downing in his ear, constantly hands in pockets looking like the worlds against him.

Varela showed more in 20 minutes than any other 'winger' we have played in that position has done all season, how he doesnt warrant a start is beyond belief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
ironically Verela might keep him in a job
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 09:16:55 AM

Too late then. Downing is a better option
He is in the short term , his record over Xmas last year was decent . Personally I'd be pulling him to one side and asking him whether he would include the newer players , if it's a yes then i'd give him a few weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 09:18:05 AM
that may be because he doesn't have to tow the party line anymore and risk being cut off by the club.

the new media team are his friends so his own views are starting to come through
Until last night he has been 110% behind Irvine , overly really with nothing to back it up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 03, 2014, 09:21:38 AM
He is in the short term , his record over Xmas last year was decent . Personally I'd be pulling him to one side and asking him whether he would include the newer players , if it's a yes then i'd give him a few weeks.

am completely bemused by the number of people who think Downing is anything other than part of the problem. Would be bemused by one person - more than one leaves me speechless!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 03, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
Surely Saturday is make or break for Irvine - he needs to take some risks start with Varela and Ideye (I am convinced we need to give Saido a rest) - play more aggressively we will forgive almost anything if we look like we want to play open, exciting football. My problem is the drudge we have been playing for nearly three years (Pepe Mel's short tenure apart) is just sucking the life out of the supporters. Goodness knows why Jeremy seems to be attracted to this style. Successful sides recently like Swansea, Southampton etc are trying to do something different. Deep down we have the look of Norwich written all over us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on December 03, 2014, 09:23:36 AM
am completely bemused by the number of people who think Downing is anything other than part of the problem. Would be bemused by one person - more than one leaves me speechless!

This 1 million %

Downing and kiely are a massive part of the problem. We need brand new manager and backroom
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on December 03, 2014, 09:30:46 AM
The whole point of our setup of keeping the same coaches when a head coach changes is for consistency when things are going well. With that theory then they have to also be part responsible when things are going wrong, especially when it has lasted for 3 head coaches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mini gaardsoe on December 03, 2014, 09:39:05 AM
How is this guy still in charge. His post match analysis is an insult to all us fans. West Ham ran the first half and then sat back and asked if we could break them down, we couldn't, simple as that.

How Irvine sees that as a dominating second half display is beyond me, over 90 minutes we were second best by a mile and a midfield, missing Noble and Song, ran the game yesterday. It's simply not good enough and the man has to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 09:39:14 AM
The whole point of our setup of keeping the same coaches when a head coach changes is for consistency when things are going well. With that theory then they have to also be part responsible when things are going wrong, especially when it has lasted for 3 head coaches.

Agreed.

The next manager will be one of the most important investments JP has ever made in the club. He needs to pick the right bloke, one with a track record of keeping teams in the Prem, and one who he can trust to deliver. And if that bloke wants to call the shots over who he has working with him, and what sort of input into player recruitment he has, then so be it.

You can't stick with the same structure the Club had over the past few years, because it hasn't been working properly since Dan Ashworth left. I'd keep Terry Burton, but we need a shake up on the first team coaching staff. The same mistakes keep being made too many times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:43:25 AM
Whens the vote of confidence coming then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 09:45:06 AM
Whens the vote of confidence coming then

You're asking too much! That'd mean JP coming out of his ivory tower and addressing the great unwashed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 03, 2014, 09:55:54 AM
I think he'll be given a few more games to try and turn it around. The Hull game is one we could do with winning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 03, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
Anyone Know if JP is even in the country. I thought at this time of year he is usually in the Caribbean!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:58:32 AM
I wonder if hes been ordered to attend yet
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
Another 2 games is how i see it too, if we loose both we are still in touch
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 10:00:17 AM
Anyone Know if JP is even in the country. I thought at this time of year he is usually in the Caribbean!

Not just yet, he will go on New Years Day  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 03, 2014, 10:11:23 AM


I would give him until after the villa game. I will always judge a manager on their results and four losses on the bounce is definitely danger territory!

However win the next two and I would have taken top half of the table at the beginning of the season, before the Christmas games . Such are the narrow margins of success and failure in this league.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 10:15:14 AM
Lose the next two that means we've lost 6 on the bounce and leaves us with 13 points from 16 games. As soon as the points is less than the games played its time to start worrying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 10:18:08 AM
cant believe hes got another stay vote, is this a windup
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 03, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
I know Varela has been injured, but he's been available for the last few games... apparently couldn't pick him because of language difficulties?  What's Portuguese for "Your playing on the left wing, lad, do your stuff?"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Lose the next two that means we've lost 6 on the bounce and leaves us with 13 points from 16 games. As soon as the points is less than the games played its time to start worrying.
It already is...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 10:22:55 AM
Why hasn't he been sacked yet?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 10:26:26 AM
It already is...

That's what I meant, desperate situation and the sooner he is gone the better. He is the first on the list, next must come downing and half the backroom staff, the penpushers, the staff with made up titles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 10:31:40 AM
We can't afford another game with Irvine, Downing and Kiely in charge of this squad of these players. It's become a pantomime.

Peace needs to act immediately.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 10:34:06 AM
When you look at them on the sidelines, they honestly look deflated. They look like sunday league managers and coaches praying for a bit of luck. The guy has no charisma and it makes me wonder how the players get worked up for a game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 03, 2014, 10:36:29 AM
I know Varela has been injured, but he's been available for the last few games... apparently couldn't pick him because of language difficulties?  What's Portuguese for "Your playing on the left wing, lad, do your stuff?"

If that is true, then he deserves the sack. It was clear to see that Varela is a class above any of our other attacking players on the ball and going forward, as well as his crossing ability. If he doesn't start the next game then Irvine deserves to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 10:39:13 AM

I would give him until after the villa game. I will always judge a manager on their results and four losses on the bounce is definitely danger territory!

However win the next two and I would have taken top half of the table at the beginning of the season, before the Christmas games . Such are the narrow margins of success and failure in this league.

I think it's virtually guaranteed that AI will get the Hull and Villa games.

But if JP is doing his job he will be planning for the worst case scenario, have a list of potential new managers drawn up in the event of AI losing both games, and be ready to appoint a new bloke by the Tuesday following a defeat to Villa. 

Absolutely no guarantee of that happening with JP though....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 03, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
I think we all know he's going nowhere until Monday at the earliest so lets look at it a different way.
If and it's a big if I know, but humour me. If he plays Varela, Gamboa (Wisdom cannot possibly play after last night) and Ideye on Saturday and we get a high tempo, attacking performance and a good win ( and I mean a good win, not like Leicester ), even he would be hard pushed to go back to the narrow, slow dross that we are used to.
Therefore, it may be that by bowing to fan pressure he has, albeit inadvertently, stumbled across a winning formula.
This would mean that the very fans that want him out (and I am one of them) will have saved his job. :o
What have we gone and done................... :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 10:40:58 AM
I honestly think there is a replacement on standby. Peace came out in the summer and said he had learnt from mistakes. The PR side is improving, but if we are to succeed (stay up) then he will have to pull the trigger after the villa.

I honestly think anything less that 4 points will see him gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
I think we all know he's going nowhere until Monday at the earliest so lets look at it a different way.
If and it's a big if I know, but humour me. If he plays Varela, Gamboa (Wisdom cannot possibly play after last night) and Ideye on Saturday and we get a high tempo, attacking performance and a good win ( and I mean a good win, not like Leicester ), even he would be hard pushed to go back to the narrow, slow dross that we are used to.
Therefore, it may be that by bowing to fan pressure he has, albeit inadvertently, stumbled across a winning formula.
This would mean that the very fans that want him out (and I am one of them) will have saved his job. :o
What have we gone and done................... :'(



Hes got one more game to prove himself then. Hes got to pick the right 11 from the start though and like you say change his style of play.
The new man gets the Villa game :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 10:43:22 AM
If that is true, then he deserves the sack. It was clear to see that Varela is a class above any of our other attacking players on the ball and going forward, as well as his crossing ability. If he doesn't start the next game then Irvine deserves to go.
He already deserves to go for his constant omission of players better than those who are playing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 03, 2014, 10:43:25 AM
I feel sorry for him - it was a shame that the supporters spent so long of the second half deriding him rather than supporting the team.

He has made the biggest mistake of his life tonight in bowing down to the fans. It has made him look weak. His position amongst the supporters (as they demonstrated tonight) has now become untenable. He will not win them back.

He's a hard working bloke, he's a nice bloke, but he's not good enough and Jeremy Peace needs to act now. If he remains the discontent will grow and the poisonous atmosphere will linger. Time to save the season by admitting we made a mistake and moving him on.

Spot on post that is fella.

He is a nice bloke, im sure he works his ass off day in day out to try and make things work out but I just dont think his football philosophy is suited to us, I dont think he knows his best squad at all which is why he picks the same week in week out and then hopes that the average points picked up over the season equates to staying up.

I dont get why the new players are not getting picked but in not picking them we will never see if they can be or are good enough for the Premier League.

Im not happy with the football been served up if im honest, and that is down to the head coach as many of the players ive seen play some wonderful football under a different coach.

it seems staying up is the word on the street when we get a head coach no matter what the style of play. however playing defensive football is not doing us any favours, infact our best league position returns have been when we have not been afraid to attack and I still think that would be the case.

It feels like we have gone from being a team that clubs really dont like playing against and became a more feared outfit back to the too much respect for the opposition club like we had when first got into the Prem. That is down to the head coach when you read his comments about the opposition every week. If the guy coaching you is scared of who he is playing then its only natural the team will be setup to counter that fear.

We need to play to our strengths not our weaknesses, if we get relegated, we get relegated, the club is still here and always will be but to go down with very little intent on bringing the game to the opposition is not something I enjoy. I know we cant be gung ho but we have shown in the previous few years that finding a balance will reap rewards for us. This is as good a squad as anything ive seen from Albion and yet we seemed to going backwards playing style. We are historically known for playing fast attractive free flowing football what we are being served up is dour and its not getting the supporters behind them which in turn is affecting the teams confidence. We need a manager that will bring that balance and attractive expressive football and it needs to be done soon or we are doomed and people will start voting with their feet

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
If that is true, then he deserves the sack. It was clear to see that Varela is a class above any of our other attacking players on the ball and going forward, as well as his crossing ability. If he doesn't start the next game then Irvine deserves to go.

Agreed. His hand may just be forced with the injury to the undroppable Brunt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 03, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
A starting point for me would be to bring Dan Ashworth back and offer him double his FA salary and a shareholding to make him Deputy Chairman.

Then JP and all the fans leave it to DA to do what's necessary.   

Everyone's a winner.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: popmonkey on December 03, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
There are too many games over the Christmas period to go through without a real head coach/manager. We stumbled through this last season with Pinky & Perky playing a different formation every match, but we cant do that again this time round.

He has to go today, and new man needs to be in place for the Villa game at the latest
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
I honestly think there is a replacement on standby. Peace came out in the summer and said he had learnt from mistakes. The PR side is improving, but if we are to succeed (stay up) then he will have to pull the trigger after the villa.

I honestly think anything less that 4 points will see him gone.

You say that because it's a sensible thing to have lined up, and something that the majority of us would have.

On recent form I just can't believe that JP would be thinking that way.

I'm just saying this to tempt fate so I can be proven wrong... ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 10:47:57 AM
I think we all know he's going nowhere until Monday at the earliest so lets look at it a different way.
If and it's a big if I know, but humour me. If he plays Varela, Gamboa (Wisdom cannot possibly play after last night) and Ideye on Saturday and we get a high tempo, attacking performance and a good win ( and I mean a good win, not like Leicester ), even he would be hard pushed to go back to the narrow, slow dross that we are used to.
Therefore, it may be that by bowing to fan pressure he has, albeit inadvertently, stumbled across a winning formula.
This would mean that the very fans that want him out (and I am one of them) will have saved his job. :o
What have we gone and done................... :'(
That's the thing, even if he eventually somehow gets it right through fan pressure, it's blindingly obvious he'll never be up to the job
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
That's the thing, even if he eventually somehow gets it right through fan pressure, it's blindingly obvious he'll never be up to the job

Agreed. At some point between now and over the Xmas period his hand will be forced to play some of the players we've been wanting to see. If that's the case then he may just accidentally stumble across a winning formula.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 03, 2014, 10:58:43 AM
When you look at them on the sidelines, they honestly look deflated. They look like sunday league managers and coaches praying for a bit of luck. The guy has no charisma and it makes me wonder how the players get worked up for a game.

They don't get worked up for a game is the answer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
I think if we lose to Hull the weekend, he will be gone before the Villa game.

Even JP knows we dont like losing to our local rivals, and a 'new face' may prevent that from happening. (Even if it is Downing and Kiely that would be in charge).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2014, 11:39:11 AM
We can't afford to keep him any longer. I can only see us continuing in our current form with him in charge and with our run in it could be too late after the next two games where we desperately need to be picking up some points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 11:40:32 AM
I think the time for sacking him has been and gone.

I think Irvine is safe for another game, sadly.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
Hes here for the Vile game unffortuanately but i expect 4 points from the next 2 games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
Hes here for the Vile game unffortuanately but i expect 4 points from the next 2 games

Likewise, we have to win either of the next two. Draw at hull, bit of confidence back with the players and beat the Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
What was the name of the bloke at Blackburn who carried on and on even though he was way out of his depth ?
Reminds me very much of that , so thick skinned he won't do the decent thing and resign.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
What was the name of the bloke at Blackburn who carried on and on even though he was way out of his depth ?
Reminds me very much of that , so thick skinned he won't do the decent thing and resign.



Steve Round?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
What was the name of the bloke at Blackburn who carried on and on even though he was way out of his depth ?
Reminds me very much of that , so thick skinned he won't do the decent thing and resign.

Steve Kean?

Slightly different as he was pally with the owner wasn't he?

Ended up relegating them though.

I remember going away to Blackburn that season and the whole game the home fans were chanting for Kean to go.

I remember thinking that they deserved to go just because of the way their fans were.

Now I understand  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:57:36 AM
Steve Kean?

Slightly different as he was pally with the owner wasn't he?

Ended up relegating them though.


Thats him Steve Kean, not sure where i got round from
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 11:59:56 AM

Thats him Steve Kean, not sure where i got round from

Old age mate ;)

Although I do know a Steve Round, who in fact is very round  :D


I'm disapointed that Irvine is still here and I guess I won't be going back to the Hawthorns just yet :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 12:01:01 PM
Steve Kean , that's him . Very much like Irvine in several ways.....take note what happened JP as the atmosphere will only go the same way , it started last night. I'd respect Irvine more if he resigned and admitted he wasn't up to the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2014, 12:02:24 PM
Just wondered if the poster who asked if anyone was ready to eat humble pie is ready to eat it himself.

If thats me, I was gutted buy the appointment, but once made I felt we should get behind AI, that said he has failed and we need to get rid ASAP. Can I have custard with my Humble Pie please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 12:05:18 PM
mince pie would be more appropriate for the time of year
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 12:06:34 PM
What was the name of the bloke at Blackburn who carried on and on even though he was way out of his depth ?
Reminds me very much of that , so thick skinned he won't do the decent thing and resign.

He's not likely to resign is he? 5months in to a 12 month contract, if he gets the sack, he gets the remaining 7 months.

The most likely way he would resign if for the club to pay him off. In fact politically, that might be the best way, then AI had folded under "fan power", not the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 12:11:20 PM
He's not likely to resign is he? 5months in to a 12 month contract, if he gets the sack, he gets the remaining 7 months.

The most likely way he would resign if for the club to pay him off. In fact politically, that might be the best way, then AI had folded under "fan power", not the club.
In a non football way I'd agree but he is very unlikely to turn this around and it's going to get nasty at games , last nights stick was the tip of the iceberg....we all know whats coming. Trouble is he seems that stubborn and thick skinned he will be convinced he is doing a good job. Paying off and drawing a line under it today would be best for all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 03, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
I don't want Irvine sacked until the replacement team are in the wings.  I don't want Downing to be caretaker again.

We can not have another 1 month due dithering looking at the same people who will accept the role based on the criteria previously defined.

Either Peace has already seen them (in the 2 previous due ditherings) and is willing to change 1 or more of the criteria to get them through the door, or he has to throw away the model and find the best manager we can attract and work with him.

We have to find a leader with their coaching own team.  Someone who can inspire the team and the fans.  This whole soporific environment has to end.  We need some who is going to shake us up a bit!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 12:19:41 PM
A starting point for me would be to bring Dan Ashworth back and offer him double his FA salary and a shareholding to make him Deputy Chairman.

Then JP and all the fans leave it to DA to do what's necessary.   

Everyone's a winner.

I'm pretty sure Dan Ashworth took the FA job for a lot more than financial reasons. The chance to be the man who builds the blueprint for England's future was a very enticing job for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
I honestly wonder if being cocooned in the club 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week is good for his well-being and logic.
Someone (JP or TB)  needs to drag him out on a non-footy day (golf / fishing whatever) and have a man to man "this ain't working, something has to change" discussion with him. This needs to happen in next 5-7 days, then if he doesn't change "stuff" (selection / tactics) he has been given every opportunity but failed and the exit door can be opened.

As for DK & KD, too many head coaches, too may players, too many games, all with the same results, sorry the common denominator remains the coaching staff - Ta ra ! close the door on the way out,

Old guard players, another head coach gone, comfort blanket of KD / DK gone, anyone who doesn't want to be here, a hand written note will do, we will facilitate your exit ASAP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 03, 2014, 12:36:38 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2014, 01:07:28 PM
79 makes some very fair and valid points, Irvine was on a hiding to nothing (similar to moyes at utd in someways) but he absolutely could and should have done more with his selections and interviews after matches.
Sess sticks out as a very easy quick win but his use of him as been bewildering.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on December 03, 2014, 01:09:36 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.

Bang on mate, I didn't want Irvine and I don't want him now but last night was cringeworthy and as you say people think they are high and mighty above Villa and Wolves fans but they are exactly the same.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Chelsea performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.

Good post 79.

Until the second half last night, I would have stuck with him, but the gung-ho approach to get something from the game basically destroyed his credibility for me.
I don't go to away games but I am a HSTH, & attend all the home games. Most of the time, I understand why he does what he does, & although I may not necessarily agree, there is some logic too it. Last night, he succumbed to fan pressure, & by doing that, walked across the bridge of no return.
Have to agree though, the abuse he has taken from some of our so-called fans is scandalous, it might well pay us to remember that fan's reactions could also be taken into account when we interview for the next head coach, & not only that what decent player would want to join us if he's subject to that abuse
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Albion 79, As usual spot on with your comments. Agree fully with what you are saying.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 03, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Albion 79, superb post, articulated my thoughts on the matter far better than I could.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion07 on December 03, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.

Best post I've read on here in a long time, a sad time to support our club. I guess I had some idea that our fans were different than Villa or Wolves, clearly not...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 03, 2014, 02:20:47 PM
I suspect, in this day and age, football fans are pretty much the same whatever club it is, aren't they? However, we were in a position where we had a popular head coach (as proved by polls on here and elsewhere) who was nevertheless ejected without getting the basic support from the club (e.g. input into a transfer window) that any head coach should reasonably expect to get, and was then replaced by someone who next to nobody wanted.

Feelings ran extremely high at the time, so it should be no surprise that the level of vitriol is what it is now and the person who's most blameworthy for that is Jeremy Peace, for making an appointment that anyone with half a brain would have known would be unpopular and, therefore, wouldn't be accorded the same level of patience as someone who at least a reasonable proportion of the fans were happy to see appointed. The bed was made and now the Club has to sleep in it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
I suspect, in this day and age, football fans are pretty much the same whatever club it is, aren't they? However, we were in a position where we had a popular head coach (as proved by polls on here and elsewhere) who was nevertheless ejected without getting the basic support from the club (e.g. input into a transfer window) that any head coach should reasonably expect to get, and was then replaced by someone who next to nobody wanted.

Feelings ran extremely high at the time, so it should be no surprise that the level of vitriol is what it is now and the person who's most blameworthy for that is Jeremy Peace, for making an appointment that anyone with half a brain would have known would be unpopular and, therefore, there wouldn't be the same level of patience as for someone who at least a reasonable proportion of the fans were happy to see appointed. The bed was made and now the Club has to sleep in it.
Great post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chinawhite on December 03, 2014, 02:40:58 PM
the bloke is a liability he will never be accepted by the fans he is like villa had with McLeish better to get rid now before its to late . if he is in charge against the villa and we lose the lot will go up im telling you and last nights protest will be like a tea party
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
No matter whether he takes us down and gets us back up he will always  play football with his handbreak on. he wasnt wanted he wont be accepted the best thing  for all concerned is to part company.What really is the issue here ffs >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on December 03, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.

Well said mate.

Personally from being very supportive of AI I'm drifting towards a "sitting on the fence" stance BUT totally agree that the personal abuse at the stadium is cringeworthy, as is the response by some of those that seem to be on here 24/7 posting again and again (and again and again) the same viewpoint, almost as if they feel that unless they keep stressing their stance people could somehow forget their opinion (if only that were possible!).

I sincerely hope AI succeeds because that will mean we're having relative success on the pitch but sadly the views of many are now so entrenched it's getting more and more problematic to have any kind of rational discussion.

We've had far worse times than this and far better times, it's all part of the rich tapestry of West Brom supporting life.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chinawhite on December 03, 2014, 02:57:48 PM
saying we have had worse than this is like saying well I had a kick in the balls so I can except a punch in the gob ................well no its not ok to accept it . 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 02:59:46 PM
saying we have had worse than this is like saying well I had a kick in the balls so I can except a punch in the gob ................well no its not ok to accept it .

Probably the best way I've seen things summed up so far  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 03, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
Why oh why is he still in charge ? Hull are in rubbish form but  with clueless in charge they must be looking forward to the weekend.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
Why oh why is he still in charge ? Hull are in rubbish form but  with clueless in charge they must be looking forward to the weekend.



they win tonight we are one off the bottom, get beat saturday and its likely in the bottom 3. JP might then start to panic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 03, 2014, 03:36:45 PM
I expect AI will be shown the door sometime soon but it does make me wonder what happened to this club. We have become a revolving door for managers and no one with a decent reputation will come here as they know they are onto a hiding to nothing.
We have to stop this mentality of sacking every manager within 12-18 months. How are we going to attract talent to play for us when there will be a change within one season. I sure as hell wouldn't sign for us based on that.
I 'll be honest and say I haven't watched a game in over a month but that's not because AI is in charge, its because I see nothing to get excited about and haven't for 3 or 4 years. I've been a fan for 40 years plus and this club has become ridiculous how it is run. Its full of old pals and anyone new is screwed the moment they take over..
If we go down so be it. At least we will have the challenge of promotion to look forward to. Its a shame the PL is stacked financially and lower divisions have to live on their breadcrumbs.We have nothing to look forward to in this division. Most years fighting relegation, blaming coaches when we have mostly has-beens and never will bes playing for us. Will it make a difference if AI is fired? Maybe for a few games but after that we will be the same team and attacking the next boss. Its a vicious circle and really blaming one man when most of the team are rubbish is ridiculous. Lets face it we are not going to make Europe in the next 5 years and I can say with much confidence. we'll go through 4-6 new managers and fight for survival every year. Lets accept what we have as a coach, give him more than 5 minutes and try backing the team and management for once.
I'm just as inebriated as the next fan but we have too get some stability. At the end of the season look at where we are and make a decision.
If this annoys some of you I understand, but will it make a difference if we disagree. NO. The fact is we need to focus on getting behind the Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 03, 2014, 03:42:53 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.
As others have said great post, nice to see I'm not alone in the thinking on some points you have raised
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 03, 2014, 03:55:52 PM
This is what i mean about us coming across a bit spoilt though.

I didnt particulary want Pepe Mel to take over, i didnt feel he was the right fit, however once he was here, he had my full support and i said on several occasions if we were going to get relegated, give him the next season to get us back up,  let him implement his style, Sacking a manager every 6 x months very rarely results in success, surely thats what you have to do support your manager and give them time, not half a season?

I didnt want Steve Clarke and i have no doubt we will appoint managers in the future who i dont want either but it doesnt mean i will demand they are sacked after a few bad games or performances just because i didnt want them, i will give them a proper chance.

If we were bottom of the league, not getting a point, playing rubbish then fair enough, the calls for him to go would be justified, but the first 10 games of the season we were doing okay, the last 4 not so good, but managers shouldnt be sacked after 4 bad games!

Pepe Mel had around 17 games in charge i think, Irvine has had 14 and i have enjoyed more games under Irvine than i did Pepe Mel, i saw far more toothless performances under Mel than i have done under Irvine, its said with Mel with this squad of players he come do wonders, maybe he could do.

However maybe now Varela is fit, and Ideye is back in the frame how do we know Irvine may of learnt his lessons from the Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal games and do well with this squad, why not give the bloke a chance? If Pepe Mel is cited as he should be given a chance with this squad, why shouldnt Irvine be?

What is it Irvine has done so massively wrong? He has made some mistakes like every other manager in the world, but we played well in some games, played rubbish in some games, played okay in others, which is exactly what pretty much any manager coming into the Albion will do, all our previous managers did it and any future ones will because thats where we are at.

I think now Irvine is on borrowed time, i dont agree with it but i think the decision will be made by JP pretty soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chinawhite on December 03, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
he will never be excepted his track record suggests that he cant do the job required ask any sheff wed and preston fan and letting the fans change your mind on a sub is weak ...............get rid now for the sake of wba
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 03, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
I think the guys head must be in a really horrible place at the moment, his comments reflect those of a man who knows that its not working out and hes clutching at straws. Its a shame for anyone to be in this position and we should not respond the way we have on the terraces. But there's a lot at stake here.

Its not about Alan Irvine anymore, ts bigger then that, the future of our club is at stake.

My guess is that JP has already loaded the revolver and will review after the next three. We should expect at least 5 points from those three games, anything less and we are in deep guano. They are mediocre teams with worse squads then us, its a reasonable expectation.

But when  he pulls the trigger he needs to fire three shots, not just one.....

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 03, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Nobody wants new managers every season but if they appoint the wrong people in the first place then it will happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Nigel Pearson obviously under pressure like Irvine, telling leicester fans if they dont like it dont come, called one fan an idiot
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 03, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
Nigel Pearson obviously under pressure like Irvine, telling leicester fans if they dont like it dont come, called one fan an idiot
I bet Irvine is calling some of our fans idiots.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 04:17:50 PM
I bet Irvine is calling some of our fans idiots.



only under his breath i hope
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on December 03, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
Id be calling some of our fans idiots aswell after last night. The songs helped no one, and the negativity created by it gives us less chance than we already have and I hope they do stay away or continue to stay away if thats all they want to do.

Talks of banners and t-shirts are so dinglesque its cringeworthy, I don't want him here but we should get behind the team when the game is on not make it a horrible atmosphere its just makes the job harder for the players than it already is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 03, 2014, 05:06:38 PM
Maybe Albion79 has a point.  How many of us thought that Bolton fans were mad when they were complaining about Megson (who kept them up).  Eventually they got their way and he was sacked, and where are they now?

I think I would feel more positive about Irvine if there was something in his past that suggested that things were going to come good or something in the recent performances that showed there was significant potential.  But I just can't find much of a positive to hang on to.

I think I'm right with:
- Mel was sacked with 15 points from 17 games.
- Clarke was sacked with 15 points from 16 games (after 4 defeats in a row).

You have to expect Irvine's postion to be on a knife's edge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 03, 2014, 05:07:17 PM
This is what i mean about us coming across a bit spoilt though.

I didnt particulary want Pepe Mel to take over, i didnt feel he was the right fit, however once he was here, he had my full support and i said on several occasions if we were going to get relegated, give him the next season to get us back up,  let him implement his style, Sacking a manager every 6 x months very rarely results in success, surely thats what you have to do support your manager and give them time, not half a season?

I didnt want Steve Clarke and i have no doubt we will appoint managers in the future who i dont want either but it doesnt mean i will demand they are sacked after a few bad games or performances just because i didnt want them, i will give them a proper chance.

If we were bottom of the league, not getting a point, playing rubbish then fair enough, the calls for him to go would be justified, but the first 10 games of the season we were doing okay, the last 4 not so good, but managers shouldnt be sacked after 4 bad games!

Pepe Mel had around 17 games in charge i think, Irvine has had 14 and i have enjoyed more games under Irvine than i did Pepe Mel, i saw far more toothless performances under Mel than i have done under Irvine, its said with Mel with this squad of players he come do wonders, maybe he could do.

However maybe now Varela is fit, and Ideye is back in the frame how do we know Irvine may of learnt his lessons from the Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal games and do well with this squad, why not give the bloke a chance? If Pepe Mel is cited as he should be given a chance with this squad, why shouldnt Irvine be?

What is it Irvine has done so massively wrong? He has made some mistakes like every other manager in the world, but we played well in some games, played rubbish in some games, played okay in others, which is exactly what pretty much any manager coming into the Albion will do, all our previous managers did it and any future ones will because thats where we are at.

I think now Irvine is on borrowed time, i dont agree with it but i think the decision will be made by JP pretty soon.
we didn't get relegated with mel though , we never gave him time to implement his style or the following season. THE CLUB SACKED HIM , the clubs no better than the fans they didn't support mel whatsoever even though he kept us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 03, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
I don't really care what he's calling us fans to be honest.

I just read his article about transfers on the Brum Mail website, that just reeks of it's nothing to do with me and he's already pushing the blame elsewhere for his downfall.

When he took the job, like previous managers they know the rules whether it's working or not, that's the way it is. He should have done us a favour and not took the job in the first place and carried on coaching his level.. kids
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 03, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
Some big news about to come out of the Hawthorns....
Irvine is STAYING. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 05:16:37 PM
Some big news about to come out of the Hawthorns....

Where have you seen this? Hard to see him being sacked yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 03, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
we didn't get relegated with mel though , we never gave him time to implement his style or the following season. THE CLUB SACKED HIM , the clubs no better than the fans they didn't support mel whatsoever even though he kept us up.

I agree, the fans haven't sacked or employed anyone the club have, Mel should have been rewarded with his own backroom staff and a full bash at a pre-season and a clearout of the dross he didn't want. The Club (by that I mean JP, Burton, Garlick and the coaches) have got us into this mess with their continual way of doing it on the cheap since Roy and DA went, they took an idea by DA which was working well and completely slaughtered it by putting Garlick in place who hasn't got any footballing acumen to speak of. The appointment of Garlick was once again an on the cheap signing and probably the biggest cock up of all that started this never ending downward spiral.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 05:19:12 PM
Its stinks of cheapness ever since Roy and Ashworth went...

Garlick - cheap option, looked at Congleton and Warburton but expensive.

Clarke - cheap

Mel with NO backroom staff - cheap

Irvine - cheap
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 05:19:43 PM
Our whole set up revolved around Ashworth, he was irreplaceable. With him gone, the system needs to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
Where have you seen this? Hard to see him being sacked yet.

Why has the post by BB74 been deleted?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 03, 2014, 05:21:47 PM
Our whole set up revolved around Ashworth, he was irreplaceable. With him gone, the system needs to go.

Spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 05:21:59 PM
Irvine is STAYING. :o


until Sunday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 03, 2014, 05:25:05 PM
Why has the post by BB74 been deleted?

You will have to ask him as he deleted it himself
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 03, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
Our whole set up revolved around Ashworth, he was irreplaceable. With him gone, the system needs to go.

Agreed, no one was capable in the club to do what he did.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yardley on December 03, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
Irvine should stick to what he's good at which is teaching the basics to kids. He is way out of his depth even in the championship, he just doesn't have the personality or the know how to drag us out of this mess and if we don't get rid now we will continue to drop down the league whilst Irvine stands there with his hands in his pockets wondering what plan B was. I almost feel sorry for him looking so lost but then I remember how much he's getting paid to make bad decisions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 03, 2014, 06:14:04 PM
Have to say i speak against the majority here but i think some of our supporters have been an absolute disgrace in their treatment of Irvine.

Anybody who dares to point some counter things out against the criticism Irvine receives (some of it just, some of it not) is deemed to be an Irvine lover or happy clapper, i think its actually called some reality.

None of us wanted the bloke, none of us felt he would do a good job and we may well be proved right but at this time we are 5th from bottom (not bottom 3) despite an awful run of results, yes we could go in the bottom 3 saturday if we lose but we could also go halfway in the league.

From the threats of protests about his appointment to the embarrassing p**staking chants last night, its pathetic. By all means take the mick out of opposition teams and fans, but to do it to your own its ridiculous.

Its complete double standards, there seems to be some crazy Pepe Mel love in, and i personally have no idea why, he was a likeable bloke who maybe got the raw end of the stick, people were saying Irvine was weak last night as he gave into the fans for subs, surely that makes Pepe Mel weak then when the players supposedly refused to play his style, why didnt he drop them and put others in? Yet he gets sympathy for his treatment!

I have been bored watching some Albion games this season, name the last few (last night wasnt boring) but also in previous seasons i have been bored at times watching a Pepe Mel team, a Steve Clarke team, a Roy Hodgson team, a Di Matteo team, whether we like it or not thats part of where we are at as a club, its not a new thing under Irvine, yes he made mistakes and would continue to do so, he should of gone for it more against Arsenal and Newcastle, but i remember under Pepe Mel to name the Man United games and Stoke games (and there were others) at home least season where we barely had a shot, same happened in games under Clarke and same with Hodgson, etc, etc yet none of them had this witch hunt that Irvine has.

The three games prior to last night were s**t and Irvine made mistakes in his selection and his approach however last night was different, we started well, had a bad half hour that cost us and then dominated second half, Dawsons sitter he missed, Anichebe had the keeper make 2 great saves, Dorrans miss at the end plus others, last night we had a go, yes we lost, but apparently according to some of our fans upto the West Ham game, its not the losing, its the way we lost, so surely they should be happier now? Last night whether it was fans pressure or not we had a lot of creativity and a lot of attacking players on that pitch and went for it, its what we have all wanted yet when he does it he is still apparently clueless and dont know what he is doing! The three games prior to last night Irvine deserved the stick as we were dull, boring and went about it wrong, last night was different and he seemed to acknowledge the previous approach wasnt working, whats so wrong with that?

People are very quick to point out Irvines faults, but what about also giving credit where its due? For every Newcastle or Arsenal performance, there is a Tottenham or Burnley, for every borefest game (ie - Everton and Chelsea) there is a entertaining game - Sunderland and Man United, there is also creditable results against Southampton and Leicester.

Irvine took over half a squad in the summer and has had to integrate a lot of new players in, we all knew that out 11 new signings some wouldnt and wont work out, thats the law of averages, Pepe Mel gets a lot of credit for bringing Dorrans back into the fold (and rightly so) yet Irvine has turned Berahinos career around after he seemed to be going nowhere, he has brought Dawson in from the cold when no other manager did and he is now a key player, i think Lescott (arguably our best player) said the main reason he was signing was because of Irvine so how about some credit for the bloke when its due if people are going to slate him for everything.

Varela looked quality and lets hope he starts Saturday, but also he has been injured, he last played in the world cup, didnt do a proper preseason at Porto, started to train with us, played a game then got injured again, there was talk his season was over, he eventually started training again, played the under 21's and Irvine said he would be available start of December and sure enough he was. Its not like he has been fully fit raring to go, he has been injured and not played a proper game for 6 x months so i would imagine he does need easing back in, maybe Irvine did make a mistake and could of put him on the bench the last couple of games, but we all make mistakes, i certainly do.

If we lost the next two then Irvine due to modern day football job would definitely be in jeopardy, it obviously is now, the sad thing is we could win the next two be half way in the league, with a possible FA Cup run to look forward too and yet some would still want him out because he is Alan Irvine, it is in a way like spoilt brats, play up until get what you want.

Its a sad day for me regarding our treatment of him, we always mock the Villa and Wolves but to me we are just as bad, if not worse, at least the Villa waited a couple of seasons before turning on Lambert, some of our fans waited a couple of minutes, others waited a massive 10 x games, what a great chance has been given.

I said it previous, when Irvine gets sacked (and i have no doubt he will) then judging by how our fans react now, i would assume that unless we are above midtable and all out entertainers within a few games then the new manager will be having the p**s taken out of him and chants for him to go? Because thats exactly what we have done with Irvine.

I think Irvine will be gone before too long, he has made mistakes and some of his latest comments are unusual, its okay saying the fans need to bond with him, he never had a chance with some and i think he looks a bloke under pressure and i think JP will pull the trigger.

I apologise for the long post but i get so annoyed with the double standards that i thought would let if off my chest.

What a great post. He still has my support and I hope he can turn it around starting at Hull.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
Why has the post by BB74 been deleted?

Yes, sorry I deleted it. A work colleague told me who has a box at the ground and claims to be ITK but I thought better of it as looking back not all his predictions have come true.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 03, 2014, 06:29:25 PM
The problems obviously lie much deeper than Alan Irvine and even if he's moved on, there is such a lack of options out there that whoever we appoint the fans probably won't like.

We have to be honest with ourselves that Jeremy Peace isn't going to strange the structure of the club - nor will he remove the seemingly untouchable coaching duo of Downing and Kiely so straight away we're narrowing our search options.

Anybody willing to join this club will have to work with the same set of existing players, will have to work to the same budget requirement as Irvine, will have to work in a set up including Downing and Kiely and they will have little influence in terms of recruitment either. I mean, when you consider that, who in their right mind would want to join us?

We're effectively limiting ourselves to 'failures' like Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and unexperienced managers like Steve Round and Paul Clement. Are any of them better options that Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 03, 2014, 06:30:13 PM
villa game be the one for me bad loss at home that's it he is gone .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 03, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
The problems obviously lie much deeper than Alan Irvine and even if he's moved on, there is such a lack of options out there that whoever we appoint the fans probably won't like.

We have to be honest with ourselves that Jeremy Peace isn't going to strange the structure of the club - nor will he remove the seemingly untouchable coaching duo of Downing and Kiely so straight away we're narrowing our search options.

Anybody willing to join this club will have to work with the same set of existing players, will have to work to the same budget requirement as Irvine, will have to work in a set up including Downing and Kiely and they will have little influence in terms of recruitment either. I mean, when you consider that, who in their right mind would want to join us?

We're effectively limiting ourselves to 'failures' like Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and unexperienced managers like Steve Round and Paul Clement. Are any of them better options that Alan Irvine?

I fully see where your coming from and agree that if he does go Peace needs to grow a pair and get rid of the coaching staff.  However if the two clowns did stay then I still think someone like Paul Clement could put his foot down especially with what hes won as a coach and someone like Hughton would have abit more tactical awareness during games than Irvine.

Round and Jones are both a no no from me, I still think no matter how much WM would have you believe Pulis would come here and still work with the chuckle brothers but he would do a Roy where Downing was only promoted near the end of his reign when Appleton left.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 03, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
Pulis is Megson esque - for that reason alone Jeremy Peace will go nowhere him.

If you look at our managers since Megson then Hodgson aside then they have all appeared to be characters that will not 'rock the boat'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 03, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
I think Peace may revert back to a more risky option than the not rocking the boat option he appointed in both Clarke and Irvine.

But to do this he needs to get rid of the other two or you will have a Mel situation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 03, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
Maybe Albion79 has a point.  How many of us thought that Bolton fans were mad when they were complaining about Megson (who kept them up).  Eventually they got their way and he was sacked, and where are they now?

I think I would feel more positive about Irvine if there was something in his past that suggested that things were going to come good or something in the recent performances that showed there was significant potential.  But I just can't find much of a positive to hang on to.

I think I'm right with:
- Mel was sacked with 15 points from 17 games.
- Clarke was sacked with 15 points from 16 games (after 4 defeats in a row).

You have to expect Irvine's postion to be on a knife's edge.

I agree. To Gary Megson's credit before he went to Bolton, he had worked wonders here, and had a decent spell for 2 months or so before Bolton got him. His only managerial failure (to date really) was relegation at Forest, but the main point is that generally his CV was pretty decent, and still is for what it's worth.
Historically, Irvine's CV isn't good at all, infact it's bad. He has done ok with Preston, but then got Wednesday relegated.
I think this is the difference between Megson and Irvine; Megson had/has some sort of winning mentality and character. His football may have been ugly, but he'd never make a substitution based on a crowd chant, and he'd never deflect in interviews. Irvine has a level of denial about him which isn't healthy at all in our current position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
I don't agree with the suggestion that Peace won't make radical changes if he deems them necessary. If you'd have asked me before the season, I'd have agreed, but I think his mentality has shifted over the summer. After openly admitting the buck stops with him, making eleven signings including substantially breaking our club transfer record, sacking a popular manager and having the balls to appoint Irvine, I now believe Peace would dispense of Downing and Kiely if he thought it was needed. I think it's only a question of whether he recognises that they're a huge part of the problem.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 03, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
Thing is with JP's increase in shares he's got an even bigger investment to protect. If that's in danger he's usually pretty ruthless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on December 03, 2014, 11:33:17 PM
By saying he'd never known a team to dominate a half so much without scoring, was rather an exaggeration. I've seen plenty of teams dominate with 10 or more chances, but end up losing. There were not that many  clearcut chances last night, and most of them were in last 10 minutes, when we were in panic mode. I thought West Ham looked comfortable from the moment they scored.

AI clearly has faith in his compact, one paced midfield at the expense of wide players who can get forward with pace. At long last we saw Varela, who doesn't fit that pattern, but we had to wait for three quarters of the game. We were also lacking full backs who can get forward. Baird is never a modern back. I cannot imagine him sprinting around the outside and getting a cross in. Wisdom, is still young, but the question is whether we have time  for him to learn.  Anichebe can hold the ball up, but it is too much of a luxury having a non scoring centre forward. He lacks the mobility to find space and is utterly predictable.

It isn't going to get better with AI in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 04, 2014, 07:48:19 AM
I don't agree with the suggestion that Peace won't make radical changes if he deems them necessary. If you'd have asked me before the season, I'd have agreed, but I think his mentality has shifted over the summer. After openly admitting the buck stops with him, making eleven signings including substantially breaking our club transfer record, sacking a popular manager and having the balls to appoint Irvine, I now believe Peace would dispense of Downing and Kiely if he thought it was needed. I think it's only a question of whether he recognises that they're a huge part of the problem.

Totally agree. I think JP is extremely shrewd and by the way has done us proud in terms of players this season. We should be thankful that he is no pushover and that he has also shown commitment this season in taking us forward.

If JP sees, as the vast majority of us do, that Pinky and Perky are a big part of the problem, I have no doubt he will cut them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 04, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
But the question is, does he see them as the problem.

Or due to the fact theyve been here years and been everyones assistant, does he now deem to see them as the next permanant coach. (Should we get rid of Irvine).

I still firmly believe if the Hull result is a loss, and we dont beat Villa, Irvine will be gone.

If we draw the weekend and get something against Villa, I think he'll get 5 more games.

If we beat Hull and beat the Villa, Irvine will probaby win manager of the month.  :D :P :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 08:01:55 AM
Fed up with this now, persisting with someone whos negative in his approach.I hope they sort it soon because my love for its football is waining. the 12 who vote stay obviously are  happy with the worst football the club has ever played

Irvine Out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 04, 2014, 08:08:04 AM
Fed up with this now, persisting with someone whos negative in his approach.I hope they sort it soon because my love for its football is waining. the 12 who vote stay obviously are  happy with the worst football the club has ever played
Ever Played? poor I admit but have seen worse under other managers. Cheer up mate you will get your wish sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 04, 2014, 08:09:47 AM
Fed up with this now, persisting with someone whos negative in his approach.I hope they sort it soon because my love for its football is waining. the 12 who vote stay obviously are  happy with the worst football the club has ever played
Whilst i´m firmly in the anti Irvine camp and wish him gone ASAP it is NOT the worst football the club has ever played it very well maybe the worst this century but some of us remember the utter tripe served up under Saunders, Wylie Gould and Little to name but 4. I will agree that it maybe tactically the most inept though :D :D >:( :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 04, 2014, 08:37:13 AM
When he does go we will all be relived and anyone who does come we will be happy with by default.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 04, 2014, 08:44:00 AM
When he does go we will all be relived and anyone who does come we will be happy with by default.

Maybe it's part of JP's master plan. He couldn't go directly to Dave Jones because of the back lash. But now we've had Irvine he can go to Dave Jones with little backlash!  :o

I've just read the above and it's scary how true it actually could be!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 08:49:22 AM
Its the worst attacking football i have witnessed and i have been watching football since the early seventies.
When was the last time we crossed a ball from out wide before Tuesday when Velera came on
I try not to think about it because i get angry >:(

Irvine Out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 04, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
we didn't get relegated with mel though , we never gave him time to implement his style or the following season. THE CLUB SACKED HIM , the clubs no better than the fans they didn't support mel whatsoever even though he kept us up.

Can we get one thing clear, the club didn't sack Mel, he had a discussion with Richard Garlick on the way forward, they could agree, so they decided it would be better to go different ways. That's a whole lot different from a one sided Pepe Mel your'e fired
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 04, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
As the anger subsides after another defeat and the stories in the press get older we change our views and become more reasonable / accepting, a normal human response.

We start to think  about alternative scenarios to the rendition  of Mr Irvine.......suddenly the " stay" vote starts to grow.

Even the Pulis option starts to look dodgy in the clear light of 48 hours from our last debacle....and in fact we played great for the last 45 minutes, in fact didnt we win?

Cant see Mr Irvine going anywhere for at least 3 more games and perhaps it wont be him that goes, maybe Pinky and Perky will be axed and someone like "Unfinished Business" Clarke brought in to support Mr Irvine for the next 6 months.

Anythng can happen in the next half hour....



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 04, 2014, 09:47:52 AM
I do feel sorry for him as he is almost certainly in for a humiliating exit - he'll be ok financially, but its pretty public isn't it?  He is like the guy we all know at work who was overpromoted when management had a rush of blood to the head, or couldn't get the one they wanted...  we've got one where I work, and he causes mayhem for others, but he can't easily be sacked, and he's a family man so we all cover for him.

Fortunately Irvine can be sacked, and I hope it's soon, let's get it over with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 04, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
Can we get one thing clear, the club didn't sack Mel, he had a discussion with Richard Garlick on the way forward, they could agree, so they decided it would be better to go different ways. That's a whole lot different from a one sided Pepe Mel your'e fired
That's your interpretation of it, and is what was announced but, to my mind, there was something in his contract to allow the club not to continue at the end of the season and they chose not to continue. Things happening supposedly by "mutual consent" are almost always baloney in my experience.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on December 04, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
That's your interpretation of it, and is what was announced but, to my mind, there was something in his contract to allow the club not to continue at the end of the season and they chose not to continue. Things happening supposedly by "mutual consent" are almost always baloney in my experience.

I agree. Mel could have told them where they can stick their Mickey Mouse set up.  I guess we'll never know...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on December 04, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
to be fair Mel couldn't even say it to tell them where to stick it, i don't get this Mel love in his record stinks and not just here we were just happy for his PR of getting close to the fans but as a coach in English football tosh i'm afraid, and this bloke is even more clueless
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rogerstubbs on December 04, 2014, 10:43:05 AM
Fed up with this now, persisting with someone whos negative in his approach.I hope they sort it soon because my love for its football is waining. the 12 who vote stay obviously are  happy with the worst football the club has ever played

Irvine Out
did you come to the West Ham match,for  nearly 20  years we struggled against 2nd and 3rd division opposition,currently we are struggling against Chelsea,arsenal & West Ham all in the top 6 of the premiership .20 years ago we were losing to stockport  Hartlepool  Torquay
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 04, 2014, 10:55:25 AM
That's your interpretation of it, and is what was announced but, to my mind, there was something in his contract to allow the club not to continue at the end of the season and they chose not to continue. Things happening supposedly by "mutual consent" are almost always baloney in my experience.

That's what it was: there was a review clause and the Board decided to invoke it at season's end and to terminate Mel's contract. At least that's the way I always read it. He probably didn't fancy carrying on after it was clear he had different ideas, but don't forget that he was always Dave McDonagh's man anyway, and had few if any allies at the Club left.

A similar thing applies here with AI's contract. The most significant part in it IMO has always been the fact that it's a 12 month deal. From memory, the typical length of deal a manager gets when he signs first time is usually 2, more likely 3 years.

So in managerial terms AI's is the closest you'll get to a  game-by-game deal.

Makes me think that the Board always were hedging their bets because if they pull the trigger they'll pay less compo.

The flip side of that is if they can fire him more or less at will without picking up a high tab for comp, will they take the corresponding action and appoint a new bloke swiftly?

Interesting to note that at the time of writing, Pulis is 3/1 to be our new boss; heavily tipped to take over at Leicester in some quarters, he's 5/1 with the bookies to get that gig.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 04, 2014, 10:56:39 AM
did you come to the West Ham match,for  nearly 20  years we struggled against 2nd and 3rd division opposition,currently we are struggling against Chelsea,arsenal & West Ham all in the top 6 of the premiership .20 years ago we were losing to stockport  Hartlepool  Torquay

Stop living in the past, times have moved on, Albion have moved on.

 From my view I'd say we are established as a premier league team. We shouldn't just accept being beaten week in week out. We are not minnows or just visiting. We've been a premier league side for a while now. Or are you happy to do that?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 04, 2014, 11:27:18 AM
For those that like stats:

Worst home form at this stage for 30 years

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/analysis-west-broms-home-form-8227002
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbafc68 on December 04, 2014, 11:42:56 AM
Whatever anyone says Irvine gave up what one assumes would be a reasonable salary and the pretty much guaranteed security of his Everton post at the age of 50+ . OK he presumably is earning far more at the Albion but will get a max of one years salary and probably be lucky to get any job in football again. I'm just saying he obviously was confident enough in his own ability. I feel there is a bit of a witch hunt going on and to me certain peoples face always seem to fit and others don't and they therefore start further down in the popularity stakes and bad results/performances are then viewed & criticised more. I think a heavy defeat versus the Villa may be the tipping point like what happened at the Wolves. ( Hope things don't follow a similar pattern there on in) I seem to remember Ron Wylie getting the tin tack after a drubbing by Nottingham Forest.  For me its only worth changing if you have an experienced person lined up. Will JP accept he has yet again got it wrong and possibly more unlikely get an experienced man to accept his terms!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
For those that like stats:

Worst home form at this stage for 30 years

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/analysis-west-broms-home-form-8227002


did you just put that on face book ha ha. i dont suppose we can just blame irvine for that, the last 3 years have been pants
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 12:17:15 PM
Stop living in the past, times have moved on, Albion have moved on.

 From my view I'd say we are established as a premier league team. We shouldn't just accept being beaten week in week out. We are not minnows or just visiting. We've been a premier league side for a while now. Or are you happy to do that?



well said that man
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
For those that like stats:

Worst home form at this stage for 30 years

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/analysis-west-broms-home-form-8227002



6 home points from 8 games.How many shots on goal, how many crosses from wide. Truely shocking

Irvine out >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 04, 2014, 12:36:45 PM


6 home points from 8 games.How many shots on goal, how many crosses from wide. Truely shocking

Irvine out >:(
give him time its not his fault its everybody elses.
that's it alan your minutes up bye bye.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 04, 2014, 12:41:25 PM
Sad thing is if we lose to hull I can still see him being kept on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
Sad thing is if we lose to hull I can still see him being kept on.


Villa game wont be plesant if we loose that one too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 04, 2014, 12:57:36 PM
Hull is his last chance , win that and then beat Villa then fair enough. But lose that it would make it 5 defeats on the bounce which is appalling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 04, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
Hull is his last chance , win that and then beat Villa then fair enough. But lose that it would make it 5 defeats on the bounce which is appalling.

Agreed, 2 points and i don't fancy his chances of staying. 6 and he'll be here till after Jan at least, 0 points and immediate sacking I think.

God alone knows who the back offices are working on to bring in?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 04, 2014, 01:18:03 PM
I think it's worth noting that we could have kept a record of not losing when we score first this year, but that had to go, didn't it...

And all down to AI and his lack of tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2014, 04:39:47 PM
Spot on post that is fella.

He is a nice bloke, im sure he works his ass off day in day out to try and make things work out but I just dont think his football philosophy is suited to us, I dont think he knows his best squad at all which is why he picks the same week in week out and then hopes that the average points picked up over the season equates to staying up.

I dont get why the new players are not getting picked but in not picking them we will never see if they can be or are good enough for the Premier League.

Im not happy with the football been served up if im honest, and that is down to the head coach as many of the players ive seen play some wonderful football under a different coach.

it seems staying up is the word on the street when we get a head coach no matter what the style of play. however playing defensive football is not doing us any favours, infact our best league position returns have been when we have not been afraid to attack and I still think that would be the case.

It feels like we have gone from being a team that clubs really dont like playing against and became a more feared outfit back to the too much respect for the opposition club like we had when first got into the Prem. That is down to the head coach when you read his comments about the opposition every week. If the guy coaching you is scared of who he is playing then its only natural the team will be setup to counter that fear.

We need to play to our strengths not our weaknesses, if we get relegated, we get relegated, the club is still here and always will be but to go down with very little intent on bringing the game to the opposition is not something I enjoy. I know we cant be gung ho but we have shown in the previous few years that finding a balance will reap rewards for us. This is as good a squad as anything ive seen from Albion and yet we seemed to going backwards playing style. We are historically known for playing fast attractive free flowing football what we are being served up is dour and its not getting the supporters behind them which in turn is affecting the teams confidence. We need a manager that will bring that balance and attractive expressive football and it needs to be done soon or we are doomed and people will start voting with their feet
The players were playing some great football when they had Odemwhingy and Long leading the line. It is hard to play to a static frontline. I don't believe it is down to fear but down to quality. Will any coach get Anichebe to get his hands off his hips and move away from the centre half?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2014, 04:56:45 PM
I suspect, in this day and age, football fans are pretty much the same whatever club it is, aren't they? However, we were in a position where we had a popular head coach (as proved by polls on here and elsewhere) who was nevertheless ejected without getting the basic support from the club (e.g. input into a transfer window) that any head coach should reasonably expect to get, and was then replaced by someone who next to nobody wanted.

Feelings ran extremely high at the time, so it should be no surprise that the level of vitriol is what it is now and the person who's most blameworthy for that is Jeremy Peace, for making an appointment that anyone with half a brain would have known would be unpopular and, therefore, wouldn't be accorded the same level of patience as someone who at least a reasonable proportion of the fans were happy to see appointed. The bed was made and now the Club has to sleep in it.
A popular head coach isn't necessarily a successful one. Clearly he did nothing in the months that he was employed to convince that he deserved to continue and perhaps Irvine will be the same but without the popularity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
I agree, the fans haven't sacked or employed anyone the club have, Mel should have been rewarded with his own backroom staff and a full bash at a pre-season and a clearout of the dross he didn't want. The Club (by that I mean JP, Burton, Garlick and the coaches) have got us into this mess with their continual way of doing it on the cheap since Roy and DA went, they took an idea by DA which was working well and completely slaughtered it by putting Garlick in place who hasn't got any footballing acumen to speak of. The appointment of Garlick was once again an on the cheap signing and probably the biggest cock up of all that started this never ending downward spiral.
David Gomez seems to consistently be overlooked when referring to the coaching staff under Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
The problems obviously lie much deeper than Alan Irvine and even if he's moved on, there is such a lack of options out there that whoever we appoint the fans probably won't like.

We have to be honest with ourselves that Jeremy Peace isn't going to strange the structure of the club - nor will he remove the seemingly untouchable coaching duo of Downing and Kiely so straight away we're narrowing our search options.

Anybody willing to join this club will have to work with the same set of existing players, will have to work to the same budget requirement as Irvine, will have to work in a set up including Downing and Kiely and they will have little influence in terms of recruitment either. I mean, when you consider that, who in their right mind would want to join us?

We're effectively limiting ourselves to 'failures' like Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and unexperienced managers like Steve Round and Paul Clement. Are any of them better options that Alan Irvine?
Mel brought in Gomez, Irvine brought in Rob Kelly.  We don't just rely on Downing and Kiely ;-).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 04, 2014, 05:16:08 PM
Mel brought in Gomez, Irvine brought in Rob Kelly.  We don't just rely on Downing and Kiely ;-).

One coach each - happy days  ::)

This club may very well believe in continuity but there becomes a point where continuity becomes comfortable, stale and predictable. The coaching staff have been here for several years now, its time that area was refreshed with new people and new ideas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 04, 2014, 05:24:54 PM
David Gomez seems to consistently be overlooked when referring to the coaching staff under Mel.

Wasn't he brought in much later though ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2014, 05:25:37 PM
Hoddle was England manager 15 years ago. That said like virtually anyone else, I'd take him.

edit. Oops wrong thread  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2014, 05:46:17 AM
 Irvine has held talks with Jeremy Peace but says neither he nor the West Brom chairman mentioned his job security.

Four straight defeats have put Irvine’s name at the top of the bookies’ Sack List but heading to Saturday’s crunch game at Hull the Albion boss is in good spirits.

“I spoke to the chairman after training (Thursday) but not about that and he didn’t speak to me about that either.

“I went to see him about a completely different matter and he was great.

“We spent 15 minutes just chatting over different things and he was great, as he has been all of the time.

“I’m really grateful for the support he’s given me.”

Irvine is long enough in the tooth to know how football works.

“The fact is I understand the way things are in this job,” he said. “It’s a short-term culture nowadays and if it’s not Alan Pardew getting stick, as he was getting six or seven weeks ago, it’s somebody else.

Newcastle boss Alan Pardew and West Bromwich Albion manager Alan Irvine hold Rememberance Day wreathsIrvine says the criticism he has been receiving after recent results is similar to Newcastle boss Alan Pardew (pictured left) earlier in the season
“If it’s me at this particular time, then hopefully I will be able to get to the situation Alan is in because it wasn’t that long ago I was at Stoke hearing people calling for his head. I don’t think they are doing that now because they have managed to get some really good results.

“They are such fine margins. We are not too far away from getting good results.

“I don’t think anybody who has been at the last two games can think we are miles away from getting a good result.

“We need some goals.

“We all know what it’s like and if you lose three or four games in a row people will be calling for your head and if you win three or four games people will be thinking you’re great.

“I have already experienced both of those things this season and that’s the nature of the job.

“It would be lovely for it to be nice and stable and for things to tick along quite nicely so you can get on with the job fully but it’s just one of those situations.

“I’m fine and the chairman was perfectly calm.

“We just need a result but I am okay.”

Action Images / Andrew BoyersAlbion players remonstrate with referee Mike Jones after West Ham's equaliserAlbion's 2-1 defeat to West Ham on Tuesday was the Baggies' fourth defeat in a row
Irvine says Peace did not mention the predicament he may be faced with should Albion lose at the KC Stadium which could see them fall into the bottom three.

“I’ve not been told anything like that but I can’t control that,” he said.

“All I can control is how we go about the job and continue to be as thorough, diligent and hard-working as I am and hopefully that will get us the results that I feel our performances have deserved.

“I think our performances have deserved better in recent weeks and I don’t think they’ve been a true reflection of how we’ve played overall.”

In the last few days Leicester’s Nigel Pearson has been heavily criticised for turning on supporters.

Irvine says he is turning a deaf eye to critics at The Hawthorns: “The good thing is I miss most of it because I focus on what’s happening on the pitch and there is enough going on without me listening to what’s been said,” he said.

“The day you start listening for every comment you will probably drive yourself mad, whether it’s good or bad.

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“A few weeks ago there were people saying they were singing my name but I wasn’t aware of it, so it’s just one of those situations where I don’t tend to focus too much on what’s going on other than what’s on the pitch.

“Every one of us knows that and has to accept it and suffers when things aren’t going so well.

“It’s the nature of the game now and people have to deal with it.”

Irvine continued: “I think we have all been under the microscope.

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“I have certainly been there at the start of the season when it was very much on me and people were questioning the appointment.

“We came through that and everybody thought I was great, but I said at that time that if we lost a few games then they would probably think I was hopeless again.

“That’s the way it goes.

“Is it on me again now? It hasn’t been but it might be at this moment.

“Other people have been subjected to attention and criticism then. It was only last week I was defending Arsene Wenger, which was bizarre.”

Deluded! ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2014, 05:49:23 AM
Get rid otherwise we will go down and the attendence will dwindle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2014, 05:53:27 AM
Get rid otherwise we will go down and the attendence will dwindle.
To be honest i expect to lose at Hull (and be frozen) and that will be his lot , talks like a desperate man....does he honestly think the performances are nearly there ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 05, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
I think our performances have deserved better in recent weeks and I don’t think they’ve been a true reflection of how we’ve played overall.”

That is bizarre, especially for a man ho "knows football"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2014, 06:52:56 AM
i just got this feeling come what may hes here for the long haul
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 05, 2014, 07:00:16 AM
I don’t claim to be in the know ion anyway shape or form, however I know someone who is and as I’ve suggested before Alan Irvine isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He is very well liked by all of the board and the players and works far more hours than most of our previous head coaches / managers.
He isn’t a pushover either and commands respect from all of the players and coaching staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 05, 2014, 07:05:11 AM
i just got this feeling come what may hes here for the long haul

Thats been my biggest fear from the off. :'(
JP couldn't find a man to run us under the terms on offer so he went back to AI interview from way back when & the light turned on.
I dread the thought of kicking off next season with him still in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2014, 07:12:53 AM
I will always love and  follow the albion, even if its from the seat of my arm chair.Its a chore going to home games. the football we witness is not worth the money we pay.
I hope he saves us and finds a better brand of football for us to watch but his history would suggest not. considering the amount of time i dedicate to the Albion i am very low at the moment. the next 2 games are massive for all concerned
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2014, 07:13:14 AM
I don’t claim to be in the know ion anyway shape or form, however I know someone who is and as I’ve suggested before Alan Irvine isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He is very well liked by all of the board and the players and works far more hours than most of our previous head coaches / managers.
He isn’t a pushover either and commands respect from all of the players and coaching staff.
Doesn't matter how well he is liked it's results and partially performances that count , he talks a good game no doubt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 05, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
Doesn't matter how well he is liked it's results and partially performances that count , he talks a good game no doubt.

Talking a good game probably got him the job in the first place together with the football old boy network.
It certainly wasn't based upon results was it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2014, 07:18:25 AM
its far to cushy for all conerned at the Albion
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 05, 2014, 07:32:53 AM
I doubt hes going to start Valera or even blanco inplace of Brunt which is indefendable and one of the main contributing factors hes been getting so much stick, but i read a quote recently in which he kind of suggested we are not blessed with much outstanding talent players who can turn a game on its head and create something out of nothing, Im very curious about tomorrow were playing a team who has had a very average start to the season they have a couple of there best players out i want to see whether we do carry alot of average plodder or whether its a lack of effort im curious that second half against west ham it looked like we pressed but just lacked that finishing qualities. If its the first im going to lay off the team for a bit as i have always said the first thing i ask for is commitment from an Albion player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2014, 07:36:35 AM
We should all know JP by now , results need to improve starting at Hull (let alone the performances) or the usual will happen. Nice bloke Irvine but we are not a vehicle for his fantasy of being a top flight manager , we have come too far for it all to be thrown away by carrying on with someone out of his depth in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2014, 07:44:05 AM
I doubt hes going to start Valera or even blanco inplace of Brunt which is indefendable and one of the main contributing factors hes been getting so much stick, but i read a quote recently in which he kind of suggested we are not blessed with much outstanding talent players who can turn a game on its head and create something out of nothing, Im very curious about tomorrow were playing a team who has had a very average start to the season they have a couple of there best players out i want to see whether we do carry alot of average plodder or whether its a lack of effort im curious that second half against west ham it looked like we pressed but just lacked that finishing qualities. If its the first im going to lay off the team for a bit as i have always said the first thing i ask for is commitment from an Albion player.

I watched the first couple of minutes of his interview on youtube for this game last night, he mentioned that Valera was feeling the effects of the West Ham game (already got his excuse for not starting him), so I imagine Valera wont be starting.

The Midfield will be something like Dorrans Mulumbu Gardner Sess, with Anichebe and Berahino up top.

Or possibly, berahino out left in a 5 man midfield with Anichebe up top.

If hes not going to start Varela, I would like to see Samaras played there instead of Berahino.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2014, 07:44:13 AM
Alan, no one thinks/thought you're great...

We came through that and everybody thought I was great

Incredible comments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 05, 2014, 07:47:46 AM
I'm not sure that being in a cosy relationship with Irvine will make up for the £60m lost revenue...  I'm sure that Peace will judge this objectively and that he will remember the basis on which he judged previous incumbents:
- Mel was sacked with 15 points from 17 games.
- Clarke was sacked with 15 points from 16 games (after 4 defeats in a row).

And those to head coaches didn't have the support of less than 10% of the supporters either.  Irvine's position just won't be tenable with a vocal part of the crowd against him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 05, 2014, 07:49:36 AM
^^^
And that was reply no 5000 to this thread.  Have us punters ever had so many opinions on 1 subject in 14 games?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 05, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
I like the bit where he says it takes people 'outside' 2 mins to pick a team, it takes me much longer even if it's the same team.
Who are these people 'outside'? Does he mean me? He surely does.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 05, 2014, 07:54:22 AM
Varela is one of his get of of jail cards , if he started him Irvine would get a dash of credit but i see the excuses are coming out already  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 05, 2014, 07:58:53 AM
I watched the first couple of minutes of his interview on youtube for this game last night, he mentioned that Valera was feeling the effects of the West Ham game (already got his excuse for not starting him), so I imagine Valera wont be starting.

The Midfield will be something like Dorrans Mulumbu Gardner Sess, with Anichebe and Berahino up top.

Or possibly, berahino out left in a 5 man midfield with Anichebe up top.

If hes not going to start Varela, I would like to see Samaras played there instead of Berahino.
Is that Varela saying he is feeling the effects or some daft spreadsheet? He's only played half an hour, for crying out loud1 Wasn't Irvine spouting last week how players should have no problem playing Sat, Tues, Sat????
I'm sure Varela is chomping at the bit to get out there and show what he can do, just as much as we are to see him do it and it's just Irvine finding an excuse not to start him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 05, 2014, 08:01:16 AM
Alan, no one thinks/thought you're great...

We came through that and everybody thought I was great

Incredible comments.

Its getting comical at times.

If it wasn't the Albion i'd be wetting myself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 05, 2014, 08:08:35 AM
I'm not sure that being in a cosy relationship with Irvine will make up for the £60m lost revenue...  I'm sure that Peace will judge this objectively and that he will remember the basis on which he judged previous incumbents:
- Mel was sacked with 15 points from 17 games.
- Clarke was sacked with 15 points from 16 games (after 4 defeats in a row).

And those to head coaches didn't have the support of less than 10% of the supporters either.  Irvine's position just won't be tenable with a vocal part of the crowd against him.


I been thinking about that to recently i think if Downing and Irvine took hes enterprise down im not sure them two would be here next season the one guy who has proven ruthless in the past and wouldn't surprise me if he was again, My little remaining faith at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 05, 2014, 08:52:57 AM
Alan, no one thinks/thought you're great...

We came through that and everybody thought I was great

Incredible comments.

Absolutely hilarious. There was outrage when he was chosen, and a huge backlash from the fans, many wanting to return season tickets.

He lives in an absolute dream world and I'd love to know what drugs he's taking!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 05, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
Varela is one of his get of of jail cards , if he started him Irvine would get a dash of credit but i see the excuses are coming out already  ::)

In one interview he said that when Varela came on against West Ham he was worried how long he would last. Good grief, he was on for about half an hour and showed no sign of flagging right up to the final whistle, so clearly the worry was ill founded. Given the impact he made, it will be criminal if he doesn't start against Hull.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 05, 2014, 09:55:13 AM
In one interview he said that when Varela came on against West Ham he was worried how long he would last. Good grief, he was on for about half an hour and showed no sign of flagging right up to the final whistle, so clearly the worry was ill founded. Given the impact he made, it will be criminal if he doesn't start against Hull.

Criminal? Or simply Irvineworld??  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 05, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
^^^
And that was reply no 5000 to this thread.  Have us punters ever had so many opinions on 1 subject in 14 games?

You know the sad thing is if you go back to the first few pages, the general tenor and sentiment of the messages is the same.

Except that now people have first hand experience to back up their assertions, rather than a gut instinct that not all is right, together with the insight from a few Sheff Weds/ Preston followers.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on December 05, 2014, 10:09:31 AM
I just don't understand why its so hard for him to pick a team to compete. And what winds me up the most is when its obvious to everyone that we need to make a change apart from him. FFS mulumbu and Yacob has been instrumental is keeping us in the premiership, thay can hold the middle of the park. Why the hell are we not starting these 2. defense doesn't look too bad so with them pair bossing the midfield we should be able to let the forward minded players loose.
Brunt & dorrans are squad players but shouldn't be first on the team sheet, varela has got to go on the left, id even be tempted to plat gamboa on the right. Sess and Vic the final two, simple team selection, plenty of pace, solid defense and midfield.

The sideways passing and back passing all the time reminds me of the greening days and that didn't work out well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 05, 2014, 10:37:48 AM
Agree in large with some of the comments on here and offer my own proposal (won't call it a solution...) to our troubles:

It seems strange to me that Mr Defensive Alan Irvine won't pay two holding midfielders. Yes Gardener can defend and offers something going forward (he looks to go forward more than he does backwards) but Mulumbu and Yacob the past few seasons were up there with the stats for most tackles and interceptions in the league. And I feel not playing them both has added more pressure to the back four. While AI continues to play Wisdom (this years Ridgewell) we cannot invite pressure the way we have been. For 15 minutes of Tuesday we bossed the middle of the park by simply looking to get possession and taking it to West Ham. A mix of players in the middle is essential.

Yacob plays too deep and can't remember the last time he got forward with it and Mulumbu is a shadow of his former box to box best. His ball winning and then pushing forward worked well for us for two seasons but he hasn't done it for a long time (see Swansea away last march for the last time he went forward with it and scored).

So we need a balance that allows us to be solid but still use that ball winning middle to go wide. YM, CY and CG could offer us a solid middle, with Varela and Sess out wide to really push forward. Sess likes to charge up the pitch, as does Varela in his brief game time. So a formation of:

Varela      Gardner     Sess
Mulumbu    Yacob

Lumbu and Claudio give a defensive solidarity and Gardner focuses on picking passes either forward down the middle or left and right. He can pass. Varela and Sess to attack the flanks and a striker up top to get onto balls. And that's essential. We haven't got anyone who can make a magic run through defences with any degree of regularity. Saido has his moments but he can't lead a line yet. Lukaku was a great example of a player who can both hold up the ball and smash through the line with relative ease. Brown? No idea what he can do, but with a lone striker role you need to be careful who is up top. There's talent there, just not playing to it.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
Agree in large with some of the comments on here and offer my own proposal (won't call it a solution...) to our troubles:

It seems strange to me that Mr Defensive Alan Irvine won't pay two holding midfielders. Yes Gardener can defend and offers something going forward (he looks to go forward more than he does backwards) but Mulumbu and Yacob the past few seasons were up there with the stats for most tackles and interceptions in the league. And I feel not playing them both has added more pressure to the back four. While AI continues to play Wisdom (this years Ridgewell) we cannot invite pressure the way we have been. For 15 minutes of Tuesday we bossed the middle of the park by simply looking to get possession and taking it to West Ham. A mix of players in the middle is essential.

Yacob plays too deep and can't remember the last time he got forward with it and Mulumbu is a shadow of his former box to box best. His ball winning and then pushing forward worked well for us for two seasons but he hasn't done it for a long time (see Swansea away last march for the last time he went forward with it and scored).

So we need a balance that allows us to be solid but still use that ball winning middle to go wide. YM, CY and CG could offer us a solid middle, with Varela and Sess out wide to really push forward. Sess likes to charge up the pitch, as does Varela in his brief game time. So a formation of:

Varela      Gardner     Sess
Mulumbu    Yacob

Lumbu and Claudio give a defensive solidarity and Gardner focuses on picking passes either forward down the middle or left and right. He can pass. Varela and Sess to attack the flanks and a striker up top to get onto balls. And that's essential. We haven't got anyone who can make a magic run through defences with any degree of regularity. Saido has his moments but he can't lead a line yet. Lukaku was a great example of a player who can both hold up the ball and smash through the line with relative ease. Brown? No idea what he can do, but with a lone striker role you need to be careful who is up top. There's talent there, just not playing to it.

Spot on mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 05, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
Gardner's position in that lineup (he's been as poor as I feared lately after a good start) could easily be taken by Morrison, Dorrans (it's their best position anyway) or Brown (he is said to be best just behind the striker), possibly Blanco etc etc etc. Basically we have so many options to the flat nonsense served up by straight jacket Irvine.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 05, 2014, 02:00:00 PM
Gardner's position in that lineup (he's been as poor as I feared lately after a good start) could easily be taken by Morrison, Dorrans (it's their best position anyway) or Brown (he is said to be best just behind the striker), possibly Blanco etc etc etc. Basically we have so many options to the flat nonsense served up by straight jacket Irvine.
That's what makes it's so frustrating. He's stifling the talent at the club and that for me is why he needs to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 05, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
so he's now saying he is part of the recruiting process according to the bham mail.
he was distancing himself from it the other day, wonder if the late night board meeting after the west ham game raised issues about some strange statements from Irvine this week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on December 05, 2014, 10:28:31 PM
Not giving new players a chance by coaching staff is ridiculous and if verela isn't in starting line up then the whole shower should be sacked first of should be conditioning staff who in Ted's mind can't get professional footballers match fit
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 06, 2014, 02:11:42 AM
The more he talks the more i think there is something very delusional about him TBH.  He seems very frightened to me and that is reflected in his team selections and game plan.
I think he knows he is in a job that is above him, thought he had got away with it a few weeks ago and now is back up to his neck in it.
No confidence in his own ability, full of doubts, needs constant praising or defaults back to negativity. Dour man, dour football.
With a moronic coaching staff that keeps pinching themselves to believe they still have a job.
Festering mediocrity heading for relegation, with a squad that is easily mid table....shocking.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on December 06, 2014, 02:36:54 AM
The more he talks the more i think there is something very delusional about him TBH.  He seems very frightened to me and that is reflected in his team selections and game plan.
I think he knows he is in a job that is above him, thought he had got away with it a few weeks ago and now is back up to his neck in it.
No confidence in his own ability, full of doubts, needs constant praising or defaults back to negativity. Dour man, dour football.
With a moronic coaching staff that keeps pinching themselves to believe they still have a job.
Festering mediocrity heading for relegation, with a squad that is easily mid table....shocking.

Our very own Captain Queeg, eh?  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 03:06:42 AM
Mr negative Ted out now. Most likely play for a point next week too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 03:08:33 AM
Anyone who thinks thats a good point are deluded like Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 06, 2014, 03:11:03 AM

Yes its been down all day at Teds request
he can run but he cant hide.
Irvine out, that was a very poor hull side today and still couldn't beat them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 06, 2014, 03:13:03 AM
Hull were there for the taking were now a point above the relegation zone.

Today was awful and this result does not help us out and also keeps Alan Irvine in a job for another week.
 
Stuck with him for a while I'm dreading.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 03:15:03 AM
Thats the problem.this tactical idiot buys himself another game >:(
He might be ok on a training field but he is useless and clueless on a match day
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2014, 03:19:25 AM
The players are working extremely hard for him and the organisation and defending of the team today were spot on. I think it's a decent point today and we move on to the Villa game. Agree about concerns with the attacking side of our play and that needs to improve without a doubt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 06, 2014, 03:24:30 AM
The players are working extremely hard for him and the organisation and defending of the team today were spot on. I think it's a decent point today and we move on to the Villa game. Agree about concerns with the attacking side of our play and that needs to improve without a doubt.

But we also played probably the second worst team in the league today and they should have been beat. Not every game is going to be that easy. I get the point that the players play for him but it's irrelevant if he's not getting results and/or has no signs of improvement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 03:28:00 AM
Listening to him on WM. he sure does sound like a dead man walking.Lets hope next week is the end of this negative football
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 03:35:44 AM
Anyone who thinks thats a good point are deluded like Irvine
Any point away from home is good, and I ay deluded. :P

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 03:41:19 AM
The players are working extremely hard for him and the organisation and defending of the team today were spot on. I think it's a decent point today and we move on to the Villa game. Agree about concerns with the attacking side of our play and that needs to improve without a doubt.

I think Berahino on the bench cost us two points. I've not read up why he did that, there may well be a good reason.

I think your optimism knows no bounds. One point out of fifteen, for god's sake.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 06, 2014, 03:47:22 AM
Berahino starts every week for me and that's a massive mistake from irvine. If he's on he can score from nothing and I'm 100% sure he woul have scored that penalty.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 03:48:01 AM
Lets not kid ourselves, this was two points dropped, yes Irvine can point to the missed penalty, but this is just dreadful football, I turned off and watched the Snooker for a long period (it was nice to see a ball moved with purpose), Irvine is an attack minded desert, when he does put on attacking players, it looks desperate, un co-ordinated and frankly clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 06, 2014, 03:48:11 AM
Until the point where we drop into the bottom 3 I don't see Peace getting rid of Irvine.  I'm sure the aim at the start of the season was no more than avoiding relegation and Peace will probably look at it and say were no better/worse than probably 9 other teams in the league at this stage.

Anyway, on to the Villa game where i'm sure another substandard borefest awaits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on December 06, 2014, 04:02:46 AM
We are just not creating enough chances. That's the main reason we have managed just One goal in the last 5 games. Pathetic!    I am not saying Berahino should start every game, no questions asked, but it so obvious he is the one natural goalscorer. So if he is dropped and the team doesn't score, it doesn't look like a good decision.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 04:09:04 AM
1 goal from open play in nine games. Looking forward to someone trying to defend that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 06, 2014, 04:11:08 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-alan-irvine-still-8237615

Has anybody seen this? Contradicting what he said the other day I'm sure. Lepkowski and Swain must be Villa fans or on a secret mission to get Irvine out, because the PR of Irvine is awful and he just says too much too often
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 04:12:45 AM
1 goal from open play in nine games. Looking forward to someone trying to defend that.


no doubt there will be somone. there was a strong rumour if we had lost today but a draw has most likely endured us to another game of dross and a boring local derby
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 04:21:04 AM
Can't wait for Irvine, Downing and Kiely to be sacked so we can finally see Gamboa, Varela, Blanco and Ideye start together
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 04:36:03 AM
Unfortunately I think it may already be too late. The decision to appoint Irvine will ultimately see us relegated. Hardly undeserved after our failure to learn from last seasons mistakes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 06, 2014, 04:36:44 AM
1 goal from open play in nine games. Looking forward to someone trying to defend that.

Quite shocking - this certainly is some feat! I honestly believe that there isn't a single manager in the league who boast these stats should they be managing us. This really is 'proof in the pudding' of just how limited a team Irvine is evolving us into. Surely simple probability would dictate a more impressive scoring rate than that......oh and the defence has been marvellous too! 3 points against Vile is so so important now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 06, 2014, 05:01:23 AM
I would think today is a weight off AI's shoulders. He's been trying to teach the players how to get a 0-0 result for weeks and FINALLY they seem to have got it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 05:04:17 AM
Although there can be no denying today was a borefest some of this agenda is getting ridiculous.

As far as i am aware a goal is a goal whether its from a setpiece, own goal or open play? Interesting picking up the last 9 games, what about  going backa few before than where it was 2 vs Man United and 4 vs Burnley, 3 vs Hull?

Today was turgid and boring (again) but we have just lost 4 x games on the bounce, i wasnt expecting some all star great football, as with most teams on a bad run, you end the rot, under any other manager it would be classed as professional today, but under Irvine apparently is shocking! its happened with all our previous managers and will happen with all future ones too, thats what sometimes you have to do.

Anybody hearing Irvines interview after may be interested to know he said he didnt want to take Anichebe or Sess off but both were injured but why let that get in the way of things! He also said the plan was to get Varela on anyway, another half hour under his belt, the bloke has been injured for best part of 6 x months and as with most players coming back ease them in.

I sometimes feel i sound an Irvine fan club member, i am not, i am realistic and know the last month hasnt been great but he had a go 2nd half Tuesday night, got a hard earned point today and brought on all attacking players so could say maybe he has acknowledged the sitback approach wasnt working.

The reason i stick up for him because its almost like a witchunt and its crazy, we are 5th from bottom, we could be bottom 3 next week or half way, the league is that tight and we are in the mix and it probably wouldnt matter who was the boss.

We have had a rubbish run of form against 2 x teams who everything they do at the moment goes right (Newcastle and West Ham - play them any other 7 x months of the season and more than fancy us for a result) the champions elect (Chelsea) and a usual top 4 club (Arsenal) I wish we had had more of a go as i hate it too when clubs just sitback but also trying to give it some perspective.

Also pretty much every neutral fans i know seem to think we play decent football and are quite entertaining, granted they havent seen the the 3 games prior to Tuesday and today but in a 38 game season, you are going to have some bad ones.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 05:22:54 AM
Get him out now. I hope we read our papers in the morning and it's good news. He will definitely be gone next week any way because this clueless coach won't be able to muster even a draw against villa. I don't understand how anyone can defend this rubbish football
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 05:25:08 AM
Although there can be no denying today was a borefest some of this agenda is getting ridiculous.

As far as i am aware a goal is a goal whether its from a setpiece, own goal or open play? Interesting picking up the last 9 games, what about  going backa few before than where it was 2 vs Man United and 4 vs Burnley, 3 vs Hull?

Today was turgid and boring (again) but we have just lost 4 x games on the bounce, i wasnt expecting some all star great football, as with most teams on a bad run, you end the rot, under any other manager it would be classed as professional today, but under Irvine apparently is shocking! its happened with all our previous managers and will happen with all future ones too, thats what sometimes you have to do.

Anybody hearing Irvines interview after may be interested to know he said he didnt want to take Anichebe or Sess off but both were injured but why let that get in the way of things! He also said the plan was to get Varela on anyway, another half hour under his belt, the bloke has been injured for best part of 6 x months and as with most players coming back ease them in.

I sometimes feel i sound an Irvine fan club member, i am not, i am realistic and know the last month hasnt been great but he had a go 2nd half Tuesday night, got a hard earned point today and brought on all attacking players so could say maybe he has acknowledged the sitback approach wasnt working.

The reason i stick up for him because its almost like a witchunt and its crazy, we are 5th from bottom, we could be bottom 3 next week or half way, the league is that tight and we are in the mix and it probably wouldnt matter who was the boss.

We have had a rubbish run of form against 2 x teams who everything they do at the moment goes right (Newcastle and West Ham - play them any other 7 x months of the season and more than fancy us for a result) the champions elect (Chelsea) and a usual top 4 club (Arsenal) I wish we had had more of a go as i hate it too when clubs just sitback but also trying to give it some perspective.

Also pretty much every neutral fans i know seem to think we play decent football and are quite entertaining, granted they havent seen the the 3 games prior to Tuesday and today but in a 38 game season, you are going to have some bad ones.

79, I accept some of your points, but, the style of football is so boring, turgid and unadventurous, if this is the future for West Brom FC, I won't be part of it, I expect just a smidgen of entertainment. Villa will be my last game whilst Irvine is in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 05:33:22 AM
Also pretty much every neutral fans i know seem to think we play decent football and are quite entertaining, granted they havent seen the the 3 games prior to Tuesday and today but in a 38 game season, you are going to have some bad ones.

Sounds a bit like Norwich last season doesn't it. The fans wanted Hughton out but it wasn't that easy to see why from the outside. Until it became very clear what was going on. By then it was too late for them to save their season. We are very much following the same path.

I watched Newcastle Chelsea today and guess what? I missed that feeling of excitement you get from watching a good game of football. It is clear to me now I will NEVER get that feeling with Irvine. His football is just mind and soul numbing dreck. 

As a way of supporting the club I subscribe to Albion Player. Albion Player has a feature to watch "highlights" from our games. Guess how many "highlights" there have been to watch from Irvine's games? It's basically just one big long "lowlight" completely void of anything exciting (ie hightlights), that's what it is.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 05:37:20 AM
Fair comment, i am not saying it is entertaining at the moment, far from it.

However we have played entertaining stuff at times this season too and its like its not acknowledged as its Irvine.

This isnt aimed at you Black Pearl but can anybody let me know the last manager / team we had where the attacking, winning, consistent top flight (not championship) football was played which seems to be the benchmark Irvine is against?

We played good stuff in some games under all our managers going back as far as Megson right upto Pepe Mel but we also had a lot of shockers under those managers too so i just dont get why it was acceptable to have poor runs of form under those managers but it isnt under Irvine? I said previous if we were bottom of the league, boring all season, played no football then i could understand the witchunt but aside from 4 of the last 5 games we have been okay this season, good some games, bad others, and fair to middling in others, the same as every other manager we have had!

I dont think its good to change manager every time you have a run of bad form or peformances, if that run goes past 7 or 8 games then fair enough as thats nearly a quarter of a season, today we stopped the rot, with 2 x winnable games coming up, if we lose them then i can well imagine Irvine will be gone and it would be hard to justify him staying with modern day football as it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 05:37:42 AM
Although there can be no denying today was a borefest some of this agenda is getting ridiculous.

As far as i am aware a goal is a goal whether its from a setpiece, own goal or open play? Interesting picking up the last 9 games, what about  going backa few before than where it was 2 vs Man United and 4 vs Burnley, 3 vs Hull?

Today was turgid and boring (again) but we have just lost 4 x games on the bounce, i wasnt expecting some all star great football, as with most teams on a bad run, you end the rot, under any other manager it would be classed as professional today, but under Irvine apparently is shocking! its happened with all our previous managers and will happen with all future ones too, thats what sometimes you have to do.

Anybody hearing Irvines interview after may be interested to know he said he didnt want to take Anichebe or Sess off but both were injured but why let that get in the way of things! He also said the plan was to get Varela on anyway, another half hour under his belt, the bloke has been injured for best part of 6 x months and as with most players coming back ease them in.

I sometimes feel i sound an Irvine fan club member, i am not, i am realistic and know the last month hasnt been great but he had a go 2nd half Tuesday night, got a hard earned point today and brought on all attacking players so could say maybe he has acknowledged the sitback approach wasnt working.

The reason i stick up for him because its almost like a witchunt and its crazy, we are 5th from bottom, we could be bottom 3 next week or half way, the league is that tight and we are in the mix and it probably wouldnt matter who was the boss.

We have had a rubbish run of form against 2 x teams who everything they do at the moment goes right (Newcastle and West Ham - play them any other 7 x months of the season and more than fancy us for a result) the champions elect (Chelsea) and a usual top 4 club (Arsenal) I wish we had had more of a go as i hate it too when clubs just sitback but also trying to give it some perspective.

Also pretty much every neutral fans i know seem to think we play decent football and are quite entertaining, granted they havent seen the the 3 games prior to Tuesday and today but in a 38 game season, you are going to have some bad ones.
What is amusing and entertaining is the people moaning about negative football calling for two defensive midfielders and those moaning about not scoring in open play in 9 games complaining about dropping the striker who played in all these games. I also enjoy listening to those who have suddenly labelled Dorrans, Brunt and Morrison as defensive midfielders.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 05:37:54 AM
If we stick with Irvine we will have a slow, painful descent to relegation. This may only become apparent to the less perceptual of us when we get to our ominous run-in on the same number of points as our competitors.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 05:46:03 AM
What is amusing and entertaining is the people moaning about negative football calling for two defensive midfielders and those moaning about not scoring in open play in 9 games complaining about dropping the striker who played in all these games. I also enjoy listening to those who have suddenly labelled Dorrans, Brunt and Morrison as defensive midfielders.
I'm not aware of anyone who's said any of that, other than playing Mulumbu and Yacob, which would give us more balance by allowing us to play three attacking midfielders/wingers who might actually threaten the opposition, e.g.

     Yacob Mulumbu
Varela Sessegnon Blanco

This is in contrast to playing four of the same type of player as Irvine favours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
What is amusing and entertaining is the people moaning about negative football calling for two defensive midfielders and those moaning about not scoring in open play in 9 games complaining about dropping the striker who played in all these games. I also enjoy listening to those who have suddenly labelled Dorrans, Brunt and Morrison as defensive midfielders.

Mate at the moment we are playing with four defensive midfielders. Five if Irvine chooses to play five men in midfield. Saido is our only scoring threat because he is our only forward with talent (haven't seen Ideye yet but...).

Our previous seasons in the prem our midfield has chipped in with it's fair share of goals (Brunt, Mozza, Dozza, Sess if you count him as a mid, even Mulumbu), so we know there are goals there. Under Straight Jacket Irvine those goals have disappeared completely. Can you figure out why?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 05:46:58 AM
Just got in, feet still frozen ...bored rigid from Mr Handbrake today once again....has he gone yet?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 06, 2014, 05:47:30 AM
If we stick with Irvine we will have a slow, painful descent to relegation. This may only become apparent to the less perceptual of us when we get to our ominous run-in on the same number of points as our competitors.

You're more optimistic than me !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 05:50:34 AM
Fair comment, i am not saying it is entertaining at the moment, far from it.

However we have played entertaining stuff at times this season too and its like its not acknowledged as its Irvine.

This isnt aimed at you Black Pearl but can anybody let me know the last manager / team we had where the attacking, winning, consistent top flight (not championship) football was played which seems to be the benchmark Irvine is against?

We played good stuff in some games under all our managers going back as far as Megson right upto Pepe Mel but we also had a lot of shockers under those managers too so i just dont get why it was acceptable to have poor runs of form under those managers but it isnt under Irvine? I said previous if we were bottom of the league, boring all season, played no football then i could understand the witchunt but aside from 4 of the last 5 games we have been okay this season, good some games, bad others, and fair to middling in others, the same as every other manager we have had!

I dont think its good to change manager every time you have a run of bad form or peformances, if that run goes past 7 or 8 games then fair enough as thats nearly a quarter of a season, today we stopped the rot, with 2 x winnable games coming up, if we lose them then i can well imagine Irvine will be gone and it would be hard to justify him staying with modern day football as it is.

Hodgson and Clarke both played entertaining attacking football, yes Clarke lost the plot, but the current stuff is beyond dire.

If you play with no width and no penetration, what do you expect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 05:51:04 AM
We are absolutely hopeless yet we have some great players on board now.

SURELY, SURELY, that tells everyone all we need to know.

You can't blame 'language barrier' for one point out of a possible fifteen.

Come on, this is way, way beyond a joke.

GO NOW!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 05:51:42 AM
Just got home, let's hope the chairman's car is at the training ground.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 05:53:07 AM
Did Irvine get booed today by the way, I do hope so! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 06, 2014, 05:54:44 AM
That was truly awful. We need a new approach because this one isn't working. You ****ed up Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 05:55:21 AM
Thats what i mean, all our managers have played attacking football at different points (including Irvine - Sunderland, Burnely, Man United, Tottenham) but also all our managers had some shocking performances, bad runs of form too but i dont remember them having anything like the abuse Irvine has had and they possibly had better players (Odemwingie, Lukaku, Long to name a few) to choose from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 05:56:04 AM
Did Irvine get booed today by the way, I do hope so! >:(
Only on the substitution. We were supportive of the players today, Irvine not really mentioned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 05:58:38 AM
Thats good to hear Jacko, couldnt really hear on the stream, i think phone-ins and forums are fine if people want to get on a managers back, there the places to do it but at the ground its supporting the team and if not happy with stuff boo at full time (Half time in certain circumstances)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 06:05:29 AM
Did Irvine get booed today by the way, I do hope so! >:(
Got a loud "you don't know what your doing" after taking Sess off , loud and firm actually .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 06:08:33 AM
Thats good to hear Jacko, couldnt really hear on the stream, i think phone-ins and forums are fine if people want to get on a managers back, there the places to do it but at the ground its supporting the team and if not happy with stuff boo at full time (Half time in certain circumstances)

I think it's in the mentality of the away support. If we play like this next Saturday you'll get "Irvine Out" after about an hour I would guess.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 06:08:55 AM
Thats what i mean, all our managers have played attacking football at different points (including Irvine - Sunderland, Burnely, Man United, Tottenham) but also all our managers had some shocking performances, bad runs of form too but i dont remember them having anything like the abuse Irvine has had and they possibly had better players (Odemwingie, Lukaku, Long to name a few) to choose from.

I accept the Burnley performance, but, they were under strength and played poorly that day, I doubt we would beat them now.

Irvine has a better defence than any previous Premiership manager, he needs to trust that and allow his forward and attacking midfield to pose other teams problems, but, its not going to happen is it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 06:12:27 AM
Thats what i mean, all our managers have played attacking football at different points (including Irvine - Sunderland, Burnely, Man United, Tottenham) but also all our managers had some shocking performances, bad runs of form too but i dont remember them having anything like the abuse Irvine has had and they possibly had better players (Odemwingie, Lukaku, Long to name a few) to choose from.
All previous manager's have had the bonus of having strikers that showed a bit of movement. Berahino is learning the game and has too much expectation on his shoulders and is not a patch on Lukaku. Anichebe has never been anything other than a lumbering target man. Brown,  who knows?
But we are still picking up points in the games that will matter in our Premier League survival.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 06:13:08 AM
Thats what i mean, all our managers have played attacking football at different points (including Irvine - Sunderland, Burnely, Man United, Tottenham) but also all our managers had some shocking performances, bad runs of form too but i dont remember them having anything like the abuse Irvine has had and they possibly had better players (Odemwingie, Lukaku, Long to name a few) to choose from.

You've cited three great players - and let's face it, Lukaku is one step beyond - but overall I think our squad TOGETHER is potentially the strongest it has ever been. There's some deadwood to chop back, players who have been here too long, same with the back room.

Slagging Irvine off at the match is not a solution. Do we think keeping him any longer will do us any good? SERIOUSLY????
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 06:19:36 AM
All previous manager's have had the bonus of having strikers that showed a bit of movement. Berahino is learning the game and has too much expectation on his shoulders and is not a patch on Lukaku. Anichebe has never been anything other than a lumbering target man. Brown,  who knows?
But we are still picking up points in the games that will matter in our Premier League survival.

Irvine has taken all forward movement out of the team. Don't blame the players for playing to Irvine's instructions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 06:20:26 AM
You've cited three great players - and let's face it, Lukaku is one step beyond - but overall I think our squad TOGETHER is potentially the strongest it has ever been. There's some deadwood to chop back, players who have been here too long, same with the back room.

Slagging Irvine off at the match is not a solution. Do we think keeping him any longer will do us any good? SERIOUSLY????
Do you think getting rid of him will make our strikers any better? (Berahino, who Iisn't the answer yet, has come on considerably under his coaching  ;))
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 06:23:10 AM
Do you think getting rid of him will make our strikers any better? (Berahino, who Iisn't the answer yet, has come on considerably under his coaching  ;))



I would say completely to opposite. Irvines coaching is stifling our talent
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 06, 2014, 06:24:10 AM
Do you think getting rid of him will make our strikers any better? (Berahino, who Iisn't the answer yet, has come on considerably under his coaching  ;))

No it won't make individual players any better, however it should mean we create far more chances.

Hopefully we don't have much longer to wait.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 06, 2014, 06:24:18 AM
I'd like him as a assistant/coach nothing more, but Morrison and brunt do need to go, along with Olsson, mulumbu and yacob, make way for o'neil, blanco etc
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 06:30:06 AM
Irvine has taken all forward movement out of the team. Don't blame the players for playing to Irvine's instructions.
Our pass completion in the final third is quite shocking. That might be down to Irvine,  but it might be down to the quality we have in the final third? Arguably it could be suggested that it is the coaches job to improve the players in this area (and Berahino could be seen as the example where this is being achieved) but be honest, which teams in the Premier league would take our forwards?
People say we have our best squad in years, I would agree in most areas but not up top and that is our biggest failure, from Peace, Irvine and our recruitment team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 06:33:55 AM
Do you think getting rid of him will make our strikers any better? (Berahino, who Iisn't the answer yet, has come on considerably under his coaching  ;))

I need to address this because I think you are absolutely right that Berahino appears to have come on under AI and this is his strength. AI might make a decent replacement for Kylie and Doubtful in that respect, but he ain't no leader.

Trouble is Pepe will want his own back room staff this time  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 06:36:31 AM
I'd like him as a assistant/coach nothing more, but Morrison and brunt do need to go, along with Olsson, mulumbu and yacob, make way for o'neil, blanco etc
Nail on head.Excellent coach.........poor decision maker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 06:36:38 AM
Do you think getting rid of him will make our strikers any better? (Berahino, who Iisn't the answer yet, has come on considerably under his coaching  ;))
No but it might get them some supply from players allowed nearer than 35m from the opponents goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 06, 2014, 06:40:14 AM
Our pass completion in the final third is quite shocking. That might be down to Irvine,  but it might be down to the quality we have in the final third? Arguably it could be suggested that it is the coaches job to improve the players in this area (and Berahino could be seen as the example where this is being achieved) but be honest, which teams in the Premier league would take our forwards?
People say we have our best squad in years, I would agree in most areas but not up top and that is our biggest failure, from Peace, Irvine and our recruitment team.

Are you blind VVV, our pass completion in the final third is poor because we are so slow and ponderous that the opposition always have at least 9 players behind the ball! Aggghhhhhhhhhhhh! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 06:41:39 AM
Nail on head.Excellent coach.........poor decision maker.



Where on earth has he proved himself as an excellent coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 06, 2014, 06:42:31 AM
Nail on head.Excellent coach.........poor decision maker.

Look how he's helped Saido, keep him at the club for his original profession
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2014, 06:47:13 AM
Until the point where we drop into the bottom 3 I don't see Peace getting rid of Irvine.  I'm sure the aim at the start of the season was no more than avoiding relegation and Peace will probably look at it and say were no better/worse than probably 9 other teams in the league at this stage.

Anyway, on to the Villa game where i'm sure another substandard borefest awaits.

Well, we could well be bottom 3 by the end of next weekend....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 06:56:59 AM
Look how he's helped Saido, keep him at the club for his original profession
Thank you.He is highly regarded as a COACH. We need a MANAGER.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 06:58:23 AM
Are you blind VVV, our pass completion in the final third is poor because we are so slow and ponderous that the opposition always have at least 9 players behind the ball! Aggghhhhhhhhhhhh! >:(
Are we "slow and ponderous" because we have nowhere to go to and is it better to try and keep possession rather than give the ball away?
Do you not agree that (without having seen Brown properly) we are weaker up front than we have been under any recent manager?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 07:00:41 AM
Are we "slow and ponderous" because we have nowhere to go to and is it better to try and keep possession rather than give the ball away?
Do you not agree that (without having seen Brown properly) we are weaker up front than we have been under any recent manager?

Actually, no.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
... and more to the point he isn't playing more of the squad that would strengthen us up front..


JP to echo others on here. We need a MANAGER, not a coach. Please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 07:08:12 AM


Where on earth has he proved himself as an excellent coach
Everywhere he has been he was highly regarded as a COACH. But has struggled as a manager.
They are very different roles. Peace think's otherwise. Not worked. The only time it did was when RH was here and he is a MANAGER. AL has done very good work with young players. I would keep him and ger rid of others while bringing in someone to take us the table.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 07:09:23 AM
Everywhere he has been he was highly regarded as a COACH. But has struggled as a manager.
They are very different roles. Peace think's otherwise. Not worked. The only time it did was when RH was here and he is a MANAGER. AL has done very good work with young players. I would keep him and ger rid of others while bringing in someone to take us the table.

He wouldn't accept a demotion. Would be highly embarrassing and he'd lose face with the players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 07:15:11 AM
He wouldn't accept a demotion. Would be highly embarrassing and he'd lose face with the players.
Why? They (The Players) say he is a very good coach which he undoubtedly  is and put him in his natural role as a No2 While bringing in a proven manager and at this time would my choice be Tony Pulis the two would be a "Dream Ticket" .........but doubt it will happen? We need 26 more points.
If we carry on like this I doubt if we will get there?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 07:18:27 AM
Why? They (The Players) say he is a very good coach which he undoubtedly  is and put him in his natural role as a No2 While bringing in a proven manager and at this time would my choice be Tony Pulis the two would be a "Dream Ticket" .........but doubt it will happen? We need 36 more points.
If we carry on like this I doubt if we will get there?

Gloster, you talk sense. I don't really like Pulis but that would work far far better than the set up we have now. D & K for me are the worst part of that.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 07:20:37 AM
Actually, no.
Ok. Forwards in current squad: Berahino, Anichebe, Brown, Samaras.
Last season: Rosenburg, Long, Anichebe, Vydra, Berahino,  Anelka, Bifouma.
2012-13: Rosenburg, Long, Lukaku, Odemwhingey, Fortune
2011-12: Long, Odemwhingey, Cox, Fortune,
2010 -11: Bednar, Miller,  Wood, Moore, Vela,  Odemwhingey, Fortune, Cox.

Fair enough, 2010-11 had some rubbish but they had mobility and options.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 06, 2014, 07:25:08 AM
All previous manager's have had the bonus of having strikers that showed a bit of movement. Berahino is learning the game and has too much expectation on his shoulders and is not a patch on Lukaku. Anichebe has never been anything other than a lumbering target man. Brown,  who knows?
But we are still picking up points in the games that will matter in our Premier League survival.
picking up points, 1 out of 15  will not keep us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 07:28:22 AM
picking up points, 1 out of 15  will not keep us up.
14 out of 15 games would.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 07:28:42 AM
Gloster, you talk sense. I don't really like Pulis but that would work far far better than the set up we have now. D & K for me are the worst part of that.....
Well, I do not know any inside of D & K but it seems to me that the unrest and undermining of Head Coach points to people wanting them out?And has been for some time.
The setup that Peace has devised leads us to scrabbling around for coaches that "Want to have a go in the Prem"
My view is yes AI is a very good experienced coach but we need a Manager like Pulis who can keep us away from the exit hatch.
The ONLY time Peace plan worked was when he employed Roy. Now he was a manager...whatever Peace put on the rota!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on December 06, 2014, 07:38:21 AM
You could have Aguero, Messi & Di Maria in our squad but they'd still be starved of service by a negative, one paced and unbalanced midfield.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
Well, I do not know any inside of D & K but it seems to me that the unrest and undermining of Head Coach points to people wanting them out?And has been for some time.
The setup that Peace has devised leads us to scrabbling around for coaches that "Want to have a go in the Prem"
My view is yes AI is a very good experienced coach but we need a Manager like Pulis who can keep us away from the exit hatch.
The ONLY time Peace plan worked was when he employed Roy. Now he was a manager...whatever Peace put on the rota!

Roy was definitely a manager....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 07:39:36 AM
For us to survive we need to get all the coaches out of here. Oh you can include terry burton too. We are going south with this current lot
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 07:42:12 AM
Roy was definitely a manager....
That was the difference. AI is in my view far better than our coaches.But he is not the Manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 06, 2014, 07:43:19 AM
14 out of 15 games would.

It wouldn't though would it. Would be about 35 points!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 07:44:19 AM
Jacko, I notice your post has been deleted but I don't think I have ever really given my opinion on Irvine.  My "entrenched defense" is actually just posing an alternative argument to most of the emotional bile presented and backed up generally with statements and facts to support them. I also try to highlight internet myths which would be classed as libelous in most arenas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 07:45:17 AM
It wouldn't though would it. Would be about 35 points!
Look at the table  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 06, 2014, 07:50:56 AM
Everywhere he has been he was highly regarded as a COACH. But has struggled as a manager.
They are very different roles. Peace think's otherwise. Not worked. The only time it did was when RH was here and he is a MANAGER. AL has done very good work with young players. I would keep him and ger rid of others while bringing in someone to take us the table.

Hilarious
If he is that good a coach why has he only been coaching Evertons Youth Team for the past 3 years
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 06, 2014, 07:52:13 AM
Look at the table  ;)

At the end of the season look at it. Will need 38+ this season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 06, 2014, 07:52:36 AM
Jacko, I notice your post has been deleted but I don't think I have ever really given my opinion on Irvine.  My "entrenched defense" is actually just posing an alternative argument to most of the emotional bile presented and backed up generally with statements and facts to support them. I also try to highlight internet myths which would be classed as libelous in most arenas.

Please provide copies of any libelous comments as we are only human and may miss the odd thing unless they are pointed out to us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 07:55:05 AM
At the end of the season look at it. Will need 38+ this season
Possibly. Possibly not. If season was to finish tomorrow we would still be in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2014, 07:55:34 AM
Hilarious
If he is that good a coach why has he only been coaching Evertons Youth Team for the past 3 years
You may need to look it up before coming out with a post of pure ignorance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:03:59 AM
Please provide copies of any libelous comments as we are only human and may miss the odd thing unless they are pointed out to us.
It isn't a criticism of any of the mods or the site ( and this is nowhere near as bad as other forms of social media) but I'm sure if you looked back through the 200+ pages you can find plenty of examples (and I have pointed them out previously)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 08:07:04 AM
Possibly. Possibly not. If season was to finish tomorrow we would still be in the Premier League.

Because Burnley, Leicester are not that much at all and QPR had a poor start. Not because we have played well. I've said before our best chance of survival under Irvine is if three other teams somehow manage to be worse than us, which is hardly a resounding endorsement. You seem content with mere survival, I have higher demands.  If Irvine stays I will simply give up watching. Wasting my life on such nonsense as Irvine serves up would be tragic. I don't think I am alone in that sentiment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 08:11:22 AM
No your are not alone. If his followers love him that much then they can go watch academy football wherever he ends up in the new year
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:15:36 AM
Because Burnley, Leicester are not that much at all and QPR had a poor start. Not because we have played well. I've said before our best chance of survival under Irvine is if three other teams somehow manage to be worse than us, which is hardly a resounding endorsement. You seem content with mere survival, I have higher demands.  If Irvine stays I will simply give up watching. Wasting my life on such nonsense as Irvine serves up would be tragic. I don't think I am alone in that sentiment.
Following on from last season, based on our summer dealings, the transition in backroom staff and  including the appointment of Alan Irvine, I would be happy with survival (and I despise the greed league and what it is creating)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 06, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
You may need to look it up before coming out with a post of pure ignorance.

I have
He has no credentials whatsoever to be a premier league coach
On what basis are you saying he is proved as a top class coach?
Because he has passed an exam ?
Because Evertons youth team like him?
Because he did s great job coaching at Preston ?
Because he did a great job coaching at Sheffield Wednesday's?
Please post a link proving he is a great coach and his successes in that role
I can post a link to his record this year to prove he isn't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 06, 2014, 08:22:48 AM
The posts that i'm finding more & more bewildering are those that keep saying he's a good coach, when he came i thought that was the case but ive seen nothing in any players performances to back this up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
Jacko, I notice your post has been deleted but I don't think I have ever really given my opinion on Irvine.  My "entrenched defense" is actually just posing an alternative argument to most of the emotional bile presented and backed up generally with statements and facts to support them. I also try to highlight internet myths which would be classed as libelous in most arenas.

I hadn't realised it had been deleted, anyway, after 200 or so pages why have you suddenly decided it is the strikers at fault for our poor form?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2014, 08:29:30 AM
Irvine is obviously a very good coach, he wouldn't have got the job if he wasn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
I've got to be honest i think that's me done attending games now for a bit or until Irvine's gone (highly unlikely it will improve) , I may change my mind when this latest bore fest wears off but with a big Wedding to pay for next year and monthly bills to keep on top of i can't justify paying out needed money only to be bored to tears and have about three decent attacks per game when we have a squad capable of so much more. Nothing personal with Irvine but i find his football that bad to watch I can't always bring myself to watch online now if I'm not attending , i barely bothered with West Ham .
It's like one long nightmare that doesn't seem to end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 08:31:17 AM
Following on from last season, based on our summer dealings, the transition in backroom staff and  including the appointment of Alan Irvine, I would be happy with survival (and I despise the greed league and what it is creating)

Yes, but the season after this will have it's own excuses. At some point we need to lift our gaze from the relegation line and actually play some football. It's been way too long since we last played decent football and I have no doubt there is so much more football in the current team and squad than what Irvine is capable of. I have to go back to the dreary 80's to recall such negative rubbish 0-0 football. That's when the league turned to the 3 points for a win system to get teams to start playing again. What is the solution next? 4 points for a win? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 06, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
Irvine is obviously a very good coach, he wouldn't have got the job if he wasn't.

I think he does have some good to excellent coaching qualities as the improvement with Saido and also Dawson have shown but there's a big difference between coaching young players and being the man responsible for matchday tactics and for me I just don't think he has it in him to do the job needed at this club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:34:42 AM
I hadn't realised it had been deleted, anyway, after 200 or so pages why have you suddenly decided it is the strikers at fault for our poor form?
Have I? (Although a lack of goals is not exactly the calling card of a good striker)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie steve on December 06, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
Following on from last season, based on our summer dealings, the transition in backroom staff and  including the appointment of Alan Irvine, I would be happy with survival (and I despise the greed league and what it is creating)

Scraping survival playing entertaining football would do me,
But watching boring un exciting football no matter where we finish has no appeal for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 08:39:34 AM
Irvine is obviously a very good coach, he wouldn't have got the job if he wasn't.




Nobody else would work under peace and the current rule. Until peace changes his philosophy we will always be hiring and firing . Irvine is by far the worst so far under his reign to accept they way peace wants to run a club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 08:42:22 AM
Most unpopular manager/head coach since Bobby Gould ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:43:19 AM
Yes, but the season after this will have it's own excuses. At some point we need to lift our gaze from the relegation line and actually play some football. It's been way too long since we last played decent football and I have no doubt there is so much more football in the current team and squad than what Irvine is capable of. I have to go back to the dreary 80's to recall such negative rubbish 0-0 football. That's when the league turned to the 3 points for a win system to get teams to start playing again. What is the solution next? 4 points for a win?
Sacking another manager and bringing in 11 new players we will no doubt end up with a similar scenario next season, I agree.  Our best seasons have followed relative stability and replacing players with better players.
The greed league is set up so the rich teams become richer and the margin between top and bottom gets bigger. To break into the "elite" you have to become a rich persons play thing. Remember the days when we could properly compete with Man City and Chelsea? And then came Abramovich and the dubai dollar.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 08:45:25 AM
Just sack him get it over and done with. His football will never change. I would rather be in the championship watching us have a go than in the premier with this idiot
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:46:22 AM



Nobody else would work under peace and the current rule. Until peace changes his philosophy we will always be hiring and firing . Irvine is by far the worst so far under his reign to accept they way peace wants to run a club
Internet myth alert. Probably not quite libellous.   ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 06, 2014, 08:46:48 AM
I think he does have some good to excellent coaching qualities as the improvement with Saido and also Dawson have shown but there's a big difference between coaching young players and being the man responsible for matchday tactics and for me I just don't think he has it in him to do the job needed at this club.

I would have put Dawsons improved development more down to playing alongside Luscott & Saido down to a full pre season & premiership defenders lack of knowledge on him then place it all down to AI coaching.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
Just sack him get it over and done with. His football will never change. I would rather be in the championship watching us have a go than in the premier with this idiot
Libellous.  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 08:50:19 AM
Most unpopular manager/head coach since Bobby Gould ?

If we still had the same 11-12k fans we had back in Gould's day, Irvine would not still be in the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
Libellous.  :o

None of that is even bordering on libel mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 06, 2014, 08:52:37 AM
Libellous.  :o

Award winning quote in my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2014, 08:55:26 AM
I think he does have some good to excellent coaching qualities as the improvement with Saido and also Dawson have shown but there's a big difference between coaching young players and being the man responsible for matchday tactics and for me I just don't think he has it in him to do the job needed at this club.

I think he just has to find a way to balance being a well organised and hard to break down team to being a bigger threat going forward. I do think he has us playing as a team, with the players working hard for each other and being well drilled. But we are too slow going forward and lack the width, pace and creativity to break teams down. Irvine said in his post match interview on WM that he wanted us to create more chances and be better going forward so hopefully it's something which we can work on and with Varela getting more minutes he might be ready to start soon to give us some pace out wide.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:57:48 AM
I would have put Dawsons improved development more down to playing alongside Luscott & Saido down to a full pre season & premiership defenders lack of knowledge on him then place it all down to AI coaching.
I would agree playing alongside Lescott will have helped Dawsons game (Didn't Lescott say he came to the Albion because of Irvine  :-X) but Berahino has been a first team squad member for a number of seasons now, with pre seasons but has only just started to flourish. I'm prepared to accept it as a combination of Irvine and circumstances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2014, 08:58:48 AM
I think he just has to find a way to balance being a well organised and hard to break down team to being a bigger threat going forward. I do think he has us playing as a team, with the players working hard for each other and being well drilled. But we are too slow going forward and lack the width, pace and creativity to break teams down. Irvine said in his post match interview on WM that he wanted us to create more chances and be better going forward so hopefully it's something which we can work on and with Varela getting more minutes he might be ready to start soon to give us some pace out wide.
That's no good if he is stuck in a rigid system mate .Irvine's attitude has got to change....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
Has he been sacked yet?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:02:57 AM
None of that is even bordering on libel mate.
Saying his football will never change and that he is an idiot are both libellous.  Expressing them as anopinion would not be.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 09:03:44 AM
Saving grace for the new head coach week after next. Charlie Austin sees red
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 06, 2014, 09:04:05 AM
Libellous.  :o

Calling someone an idiot is very unlikely to be considered libelous, have you not ever called someone an idiot or worse ?

Nigel Pearson better watch out then:

Pearson admitted to a ‘spat’ saying: ‘I replied to one idiot in the stands and if he doesn’t like what he sees, then don’t bother coming.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Saying his football will never change and that he is an idiot are both libellous.  Expressing them as anopinion would not be.  ;)

Posts on a forum like this must be assumed to be opinion rather than factual. AI would have a very tenuous case.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 06, 2014, 09:05:41 AM
Has he been sacked yet?


You sound like me. I get up and first thing I do is look to see if he is still here. The inevitable is just being delayed, might as well get it over and done with. I just want to see Downing and Keily go with him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 06, 2014, 09:07:04 AM
Calling someone an idiot is very unlikely to be considered libelous, have you not ever called someone an idiot or worse ?


It isn't libellous. Define idiot. It is subjective as it is a term that is loosely used for hundreds of reasons.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 06, 2014, 09:07:48 AM
Saying his football will never change and that he is an idiot are both libellous.  Expressing them as anopinion would not be.  ;)


His football never changes see his history in a head coach role. He's an idiot to think he's capable of coaching premier league footballers at the highest level. You you be relived of your love for Irvine soon don't worry about that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:08:35 AM

You sound like me. I get up and first thing I do is look to see if he is still here. The inevitable is just being delayed, might as well get it over and done with. I just want to see Downing and Keily go with him.
Can you see JP getting rid of them two?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:08:44 AM

You sound like me. I get up and first thing I do is look to see if he is still here. The inevitable is just being delayed, might as well get it over and done with. I just want to see Downing and Keily go with him.
Aye, same here. Not interested in getting in debates anymore because it's blindingly obvious to the overwhelming majority of us that he isn't up to the job. Just a matter of how much longer Peace is going to persist, and who he sacks along with AI. Hopefully Downing, Kiely, Kelly and Burton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 06, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
Can you see JP getting rid of them two?


Not really but I live in hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: popmonkey on December 06, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
The Mail have done a comment piece suggesting that Albion may have turned a corner and that "The heat on Alan Irvine is still there. But it’s probably gone down from 80 degrees to a lukewarm 50."

I don't think today's game has done anything other than suggest that Irvine is unlikely to change from his over-cautious safety-first attitude.

The quicker he goes, the better it'll be for the club. Anything else is just papering over the cracks and the house will fall down
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
Calling someone an idiot is very unlikely to be considered libelous, have you not ever called someone an idiot or worse ?
You asked  ::) I ensure I only commit slander.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2014, 09:11:54 AM
I would agree playing alongside Lescott will have helped Dawsons game (Didn't Lescott say he came to the Albion because of Irvine  :-X) but Berahino has been a first team squad member for a number of seasons now, with pre seasons but has only just started to flourish. I'm prepared to accept it as a combination of Irvine and circumstances.

Lescott couldn't speak highly enough of Irvine and he's worked under some top managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:12:01 AM
The longer it goes on the more likely relegation becomes and the closer to the situation becomes to being irreversible. Ironically, it would be in the club's medium-long term interest for us to lose against villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 09:16:10 AM
Lescott couldn't speak highly enough of Irvine and he's worked under some top managers.

Lescott's experience of Irvine was as a coach not a manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 06, 2014, 09:16:40 AM
Lescott couldn't speak highly enough of Irvine and he's worked under some top managers.


This sort of thing irritates me. Sorry Legend, no offence mate just saying it as I see it.

How often do boxers spar with others then claim that boxer "x" is the rel deal. Chris Eubank jr was according to Adam Booth "The real deal". He was also better than Sugar Ray Leonard and he would apparently beat Golovkin with one hand behind his back. Last week Eubank was beaten by Billy Joe Saunders.

Words and opinions mean nothing, absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:17:36 AM
The longer it goes on the more likely relegation becomes and the closer to the situation becomes to being irreversible. Ironically, it would be in the club's medium-long term interest for us to lose against villa.
NO BLOODY WAY why would a Albion fan want to lose against the vile scum bags from Witton. We may want our manager / coach sacked but to lose a game to get him sacked is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 09:20:05 AM
The longer it goes on the more likely relegation becomes and the closer to the situation becomes to being irreversible. Ironically, it would be in the club's medium-long term interest for us to lose against villa.

I believe it would be, but it doesn't matter because if Benteke is fit they'll beat us easily anyway.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
NO BLOODY WAY why would a Albion fan want to lose against the vile scum bags from Witton. We may want our manager / coach sacked but to lose a game to get him sacked is ridiculous.
Would you rather us beat villa, Irvine get another few months ultimately ending resulting in our relegation, or lose to villa, get a man in who has a clue and stay up? With the possibility of villa going down instead?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:21:52 AM

His football never changes see his history in a head coach role. He's an idiot to think he's capable of coaching premier league footballers at the highest level. You you be relived of your love for Irvine soon don't worry about that
His football changes every game and he is capable of coaching premier league footballers at the highest level because that is what he is currently doing for a living. (Whether he is doing it well is subject to opinion.) I have no particular love for Irvine  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
Posts on a forum like this must be assumed to be opinion rather than factual. AI would have a very tenuous case.
I'd be interested to see if you could rely on that defence in a court of law. (Although I don't expect anyone to be taking someone to court for calling them an idiot either but it doesn't mean it isn't potentially libellous)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:28:43 AM
Would you rather us beat villa, Irvine get another few months ultimately ending resulting in our relegation, or lose to villa, get a man in who has a clue and stay up? With the possibility of villa going down instead?
Do you really think that if we win one game that JP will give him more time? Can't see him going until after Christmas no matter what happens and points under Irvine are better than no points at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 09:32:13 AM
I honestly can't see where the next win is coming from with Ted in charge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:34:17 AM
Do you really think that if we win one game that JP will give him more time? Can't see him going until after Christmas no matter what happens and points under Irvine are better than no points at all.
Yes... And no, if we lose to villa I think he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 06, 2014, 09:34:53 AM
Out of interest, I was wondering earlier how many goals have we scored from open play this season, apart from the Burnley drubbing?

From what I can remember we got two against Sunderland, two against Man Utd and the freak own goal vs Leicester, is that correct?

Whether you are pro-Irvine or not, that is pretty pathetic when you have to rely on set-pieces/penalties as a massive part of your attack and is not sustainable at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
I honestly can't see where the next win is coming from with Ted in charge
That may be true but WANTING OUR TEAM to lose a game to get rid of the coach/manger is another matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 06, 2014, 09:45:17 AM
What upsets me the most is fans who love the club saying they won't go under irvine, it's a shame that a manager is taking something someone loves away from them
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 06, 2014, 09:52:42 AM
That may be true but WANTING OUR TEAM to lose a game to get rid of the coach/manger is another matter.
Losing a game for "The greater good" might be a way of putting it. The longer AI's in charge, the more we'll suffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 09:56:16 AM
Have to say i dont understand if you put some points forward in Irvines favour you get made out to be some nutter!

I didnt want Irvine to get the job, i still have major doubts he is the right bloke for it and think he will get the boot which will probably mean we have lost more games so in that case its deserved, however i am more than happy to give him a fair chance.

I dont think less than half a season is fair to judge somebody when they have had to integrate half a squad, the other half was on its knees because they had played rubbish for 18 x months and didnt improve under Pepe Mel (the love-in for him didnt seem to extend to the people who could of made a difference - the players)

Give him time to put his stamp on the squad, yes at the moment he is conservative, he may always be, but all our attacking signings came from overseas and hadnt played in the Prem before and may of needed a bit of time to get upto standard but now they are been introduced more and more, getting fitter and slowly adapting to the english game, also most good sides are hard to beat first and then expand from there.

Aside from that, take out 4 of the last 5 games, imagine it was Hodgsons as manager and people would say we have been okay, we were halfway in the league, had some very good performance and results (mixed in with some very poor and average ones too) Anybody but Irvine would of got some sort of credit for that, but the first run of bad form and its a crusade for him to go, not one other manager has had this in recent years in such a short time frame, if he had lost 7 or 8 games or had been here a season or so and the club was losing its way, then so be it, but he has been here 15 games!

The recent form has been poor and we havent been hard to beat and so people arent happy and he deserves to have his selections, tactic, etc questioned but is really sacking somebody everytime we hit a run of poor form the answer.

Loads of people on here make some good points for sacking him now, but some just want him sacked purely because he is Alan Irvine and nothing he did in the job would change that, he was always 1 or 2 bad games away from people saying 'told you so', where as surely the best option would be to given a certain time frame to turn it round again because if we start to sack managers every time we lose a run of games and play bad we could be looking at 2 or 3 managers season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:56:41 AM
That may be true but WANTING OUR TEAM to lose a game to get rid of the coach/manger is another matter.
If it's in the best interests of the club, why is it? If anything, wanting your team to win a game for your own short-term joy rather than for what's in the best long-term interests of the club is worse
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:57:05 AM
Losing a game for "The greater good" might be a way of putting it. The longer AI's in charge, the more we'll suffer.
Exactly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 10:03:26 AM
His football changes every game and he is capable of coaching premier league footballers at the highest level because that is what he is currently doing for a living. (Whether he is doing it well is subject to opinion.) I have no particular love for Irvine  ;)

His football varies between boring and over cautious and tedious and tepid with a huge emphasis on passing backwards and sideways and not creating goal scoring chances. So yes his football changes every game. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on December 06, 2014, 10:12:49 AM
I've never had less faith in a head coach at the Albion. Uninspiring and boring football and can't see him keeping us up. We will go down with a whimper with Alan Irvine in charge. Has to go because i'm feeling no love for the Albion at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 06, 2014, 10:15:34 AM
I get your point Albion79, but I just don't think Irvine has ever looked 'good enough' this season and at the best of times he's rode his luck. Fair enough, he had an ok spell, but he's also had longer, worse spells and the fact is that after 14 games we're 1 point above Burnley, who have a tenth of our budget and clearly lack any real quality.

My point is, if he'd been a bit unlucky and our side looked like a work in progress, then fair enough. However, his whole mentality seems far to defeatist, regardless of opposition. It's kind of like "If we can get everyone to defend and nick a set-piece" then we could steal a result. The issue is that this won't succeed over the course of a season as it's not maintainable in the long run. Even look at Palace, who also lack a bit of quality and are around us; the difference is that they attack teams and have been genuinely unlucky with decisions etc. Further, I don't think that even his biggest admirers can defend some of his selections anymore, i.e. the constant feature of Wisdom and Morrison/Dorrans with no wingers, which is simply baffling.

I think after 14 games it's not unfair to say that Irvine's been given a chance and simply isn't good enough. I know some have it out for him regardless, but I wanted him to succeed from the off but in the long-term it won't work. Put this way, if we're in the same position as we are now with 6 games left then we will be relegated. We're getting to near the half-way stage of the season, so time is ticking, and so far I haven't seen us improve since the opening game of the season so it looks ominous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Have to say i dont understand if you put some points forward in Irvines favour you get made out to be some nutter!

I didnt want Irvine to get the job, i still have major doubts he is the right bloke for it and think he will get the boot which will probably mean we have lost more games so in that case its deserved, however i am more than happy to give him a fair chance.

I dont think less than half a season is fair to judge somebody when they have had to integrate half a squad, the other half was on its knees because they had played rubbish for 18 x months and didnt improve under Pepe Mel (the love-in for him didnt seem to extend to the people who could of made a difference - the players)

Give him time to put his stamp on the squad, yes at the moment he is conservative, he may always be, but all our attacking signings came from overseas and hadnt played in the Prem before and may of needed a bit of time to get upto standard but now they are been introduced more and more, getting fitter and slowly adapting to the english game, also most good sides are hard to beat first and then expand from there.

Aside from that, take out 4 of the last 5 games, imagine it was Hodgsons as manager and people would say we have been okay, we were halfway in the league, had some very good performance and results (mixed in with some very poor and average ones too) Anybody but Irvine would of got some sort of credit for that, but the first run of bad form and its a crusade for him to go, not one other manager has had this in recent years in such a short time frame, if he had lost 7 or 8 games or had been here a season or so and the club was losing its way, then so be it, but he has been here 15 games!

The recent form has been poor and we havent been hard to beat and so people arent happy and he deserves to have his selections, tactic, etc questioned but is really sacking somebody everytime we hit a run of poor form the answer.

Loads of people on here make some good points for sacking him now, but some just want him sacked purely because he is Alan Irvine and nothing he did in the job would change that, he was always 1 or 2 bad games away from people saying 'told you so', where as surely the best option would be to given a certain time frame to turn it round again because if we start to sack managers every time we lose a run of games and play bad we could be looking at 2 or 3 managers season.

If Hodgson was in charge we'd have had 20 points by now and be up with Liverpool and Everton. We have had a pretty pleasant first dozen games fixtures wise, we've got some massive games coming up next couple of months and then it gets very very hard.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 06, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
Possibly. Possibly not. If season was to finish tomorrow we would still be in the Premier League.

With the final run-in and without a drastic change in form (winning games) then I don't see how we will reach 38 points by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 06, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
Have to say i dont understand if you put some points forward in Irvines favour you get made out to be some nutter!

I didnt want Irvine to get the job, i still have major doubts he is the right bloke for it and think he will get the boot which will probably mean we have lost more games so in that case its deserved, however i am more than happy to give him a fair chance.

I dont think less than half a season is fair to judge somebody when they have had to integrate half a squad, the other half was on its knees because they had played rubbish for 18 x months and didnt improve under Pepe Mel (the love-in for him didnt seem to extend to the people who could of made a difference - the players)

Give him time to put his stamp on the squad, yes at the moment he is conservative, he may always be, but all our attacking signings came from overseas and hadnt played in the Prem before and may of needed a bit of time to get upto standard but now they are been introduced more and more, getting fitter and slowly adapting to the english game, also most good sides are hard to beat first and then expand from there.

Aside from that, take out 4 of the last 5 games, imagine it was Hodgsons as manager and people would say we have been okay, we were halfway in the league, had some very good performance and results (mixed in with some very poor and average ones too) Anybody but Irvine would of got some sort of credit for that, but the first run of bad form and its a crusade for him to go, not one other manager has had this in recent years in such a short time frame, if he had lost 7 or 8 games or had been here a season or so and the club was losing its way, then so be it, but he has been here 15 games!

The recent form has been poor and we havent been hard to beat and so people arent happy and he deserves to have his selections, tactic, etc questioned but is really sacking somebody everytime we hit a run of poor form the answer.

Loads of people on here make some good points for sacking him now, but some just want him sacked purely because he is Alan Irvine and nothing he did in the job would change that, he was always 1 or 2 bad games away from people saying 'told you so', where as surely the best option would be to given a certain time frame to turn it round again because if we start to sack managers every time we lose a run of games and play bad we could be looking at 2 or 3 managers season.

Very well said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 06, 2014, 07:00:10 PM
Saving grace for the new head coach week after next. Charlie Austin sees red


One game ban, he'll be ok to play against us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2014, 07:07:36 PM
With the final run-in and without a drastic change in form (winning games) then I don't see how we will reach 38 points by the end of the season.

I agree.  Setting up to draw our away games is fine if we are winning our home games.  But we set up and play the same way even at home, so the home wins just aren't going to come around very often.

Irvine doesn't seem to realise that to win games you have to try to score more than the opposition.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on December 06, 2014, 07:26:34 PM
Have to say i dont understand if you put some points forward in Irvines favour you get made out to be some nutter!

I didnt want Irvine to get the job, i still have major doubts he is the right bloke for it and think he will get the boot which will probably mean we have lost more games so in that case its deserved, however i am more than happy to give him a fair chance.

I dont think less than half a season is fair to judge somebody when they have had to integrate half a squad, the other half was on its knees because they had played rubbish for 18 x months and didnt improve under Pepe Mel (the love-in for him didnt seem to extend to the people who could of made a difference - the players)

Give him time to put his stamp on the squad, yes at the moment he is conservative, he may always be, but all our attacking signings came from overseas and hadnt played in the Prem before and may of needed a bit of time to get upto standard but now they are been introduced more and more, getting fitter and slowly adapting to the english game, also most good sides are hard to beat first and then expand from there.

Aside from that, take out 4 of the last 5 games, imagine it was Hodgsons as manager and people would say we have been okay, we were halfway in the league, had some very good performance and results (mixed in with some very poor and average ones too) Anybody but Irvine would of got some sort of credit for that, but the first run of bad form and its a crusade for him to go, not one other manager has had this in recent years in such a short time frame, if he had lost 7 or 8 games or had been here a season or so and the club was losing its way, then so be it, but he has been here 15 games!

The recent form has been poor and we havent been hard to beat and so people arent happy and he deserves to have his selections, tactic, etc questioned but is really sacking somebody everytime we hit a run of poor form the answer.

Loads of people on here make some good points for sacking him now, but some just want him sacked purely because he is Alan Irvine and nothing he did in the job would change that, he was always 1 or 2 bad games away from people saying 'told you so', where as surely the best option would be to given a certain time frame to turn it round again because if we start to sack managers every time we lose a run of games and play bad we could be looking at 2 or 3 managers season.
The difference being under Hodgson we seen an immediate improvement in performances and results. Under Irvine we've seen neither.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
We won't have a better opportunity to grab three home points than yesterday.
This was not a 'good' point won - it was TWO LOST as anyone who witnessed it live would agree.
Most of the Hull fans, on Radio Humberside as I drove back, were not happy about their performance but relieved to have gotten away with a point in the end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 07:35:36 PM
One way of looking at it -

A hypothetical situation, it comes out this afternoon that Irvine has been sacked.

Tomorrow morning we appoint one of Gary Neville / Martin Jol / Tim Sherwood / Roy Hodgson / Pepe Mel / Bob Geldof / basically somebody who the majority of the fans want.

Their record for the next 15 x games is -

Played 15 / Won 3 / Drew 5 / Lost 7 / Scored 14 / Conceded 20

Just say we are still 15th in league after what would then be 30 x games, we have had very similar performances and runs of form (good and bad) to the 15 games under Irvine, the style of play and selections are the same as Irvine's.

Would you be calling for the new coach / manager to be sacked?

If so on that basis we will be having 3 x head coaches a season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
The difference being under Hodgson we seen an immediate improvement in performances and results. Under Irvine we've seen neither.

Hodgson had earnt some major credit form the outset as it was an exceptional appointment of an experienced manager/coach with a proven track record that was almost universally greeted with excitement and anticipation by the fanbase.

Irvine is the total opposite of the above and had very little credit built up with the fanbase............
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 07:47:06 PM
With the final run-in and without a drastic change in form (winning games) then I don't see how we will reach 38 points by the end of the season.

38 points looks impossible with the current set-up.

Remember, many of our winnable games have come and gone AND we have the finish from hell where we'll need to be 6/7 points clear of the relegation zone at that point to survive I fear.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 06, 2014, 07:49:59 PM
One way of looking at it -

A hypothetical situation, it comes out this afternoon that Irvine has been sacked.

Tomorrow morning we appoint one of Gary Neville / Martin Jol / Tim Sherwood / Roy Hodgson / Pepe Mel / Bob Geldof / basically somebody who the majority of the fans want.

Their record for the next 15 x games is -

Played 15 / Won 3 / Drew 5 / Lost 7 / Scored 14 / Conceded 20

Just say we are still 15th in league after what would then be 30 x games, we have had very similar performances and runs of form (good and bad) to the 15 games under Irvine, the style of play and selections are the same as Irvine's.

Would you be calling for the new coach / manager to be sacked?

If so on that basis we will be having 3 x head coaches a season.

As you say hypothetical - so are you advocating that we carry on with Irvine no matter what - obviously not, so at what point would you say enough is enough, end of season, 20 games and how many points would you expect after 20 games, bearing in mind that we have to give the new coach/manager enough time to save us from the doomsday scenario?  that is the question you need to be asking - not taking the moral high ground, whilst our Club disintegrates?.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 07:52:27 PM
As you say hypothetical - so are you advocating that we carry on with Irvine no matter what - obviously not, so at what point would you say enough is enough, end of season, 20 games and how many points would you expect after 20 games, bearing in mind that we have to give the new coach/manager enough time to save us from the doomsday scenario?  that is the question you need to be asking - not taking the moral high ground, whilst our Club disintegrates?.

AS I keep harping on about.............remember the last FIVE games in the run-in from hell so we need to get points build up before then to start much chance !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2014, 08:09:10 PM
As you say hypothetical - so are you advocating that we carry on with Irvine no matter what - obviously not, so at what point would you say enough is enough, end of season, 20 games and how many points would you expect after 20 games, bearing in mind that we have to give the new coach/manager enough time to save us from the doomsday scenario?  that is the question you need to be asking - not taking the moral high ground, whilst our Club disintegrates?.

The issue is that changing manager/head coach in mid season is often a bad move, unless the new man is a motivator whose impact galvanises the team to get results (ie a Pulis).  It certainly isn't a Chris bloody Hughton.

We need to recruit the right person in summer so that they have a chance to mould their side. In mid-season a new man is pretty restricted even with a January transfer window.

But if the bloke appointed in summer is clearly out of his depth then that's where it all goes wrong.  Irvine was never the right man, and we are going to need a Pulis-type to keep us up, especially if we don't win the next 2 games.   Sad to say but I think we've already left it too late.  We need galvanising BEFORE  the Villa and QPR games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
I agree. I think Irvine's already been here for too many winnable games that he's wasted by playing his ultra negative football. When you take into account our run-in, the writing may already be on the wall. Thanks, Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on December 06, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
It isnt taking the moral high ground WBAstrollers, i am asking a valid question, if we sack Irvine now, get somebody new in and then we are in the same position after another 15 x games time do we need to sack the new person? If so then fans clearly think thats the way our club should be fair enough, if not and the new coach is given more time by the fans then its shows a possible Irvine agenda.

Of course there has to be a cut-off point, if we lose 8 or so games on the bounce  (which yesterdays point aside may well happen) then clearly things arent right, not saying they are now, but after losing to the 2 x inform teams in the league who are beating everyone at the moment, and then Chelsea the possible champions elect on 3 out of 4 games i dont think its the end of the world. Yes the manner of the defeats were poor and our approach not acceptable but whoever is our manager we will have matches and runs like that as history proves, its how you bounce back from them and surely Irvine deserves that chance? We were 10th prior to that run so why shouldnt he be given the chance to turn it round?

Should we lose to Villa and QPR on the back of a point at Hull and the 4 x games prior to that then i think that run of form would seriously put his job in jeopardy as would be in the bottom 3 and in a very bad rut. However if we take 4 or 6 points out the next 2 games, it then looks a decent point at Hull and we will be midtable and does a manager deserve to be sacked halfway through the season in a midtable position?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 08:25:34 PM

looks a decent point at Hull

Some very sensible points there but I won't agree on the above !!!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 08:28:57 PM
Nice stat for those who firmly put the lack of goals at the door of Irvines negative play.
The strikers available to him have made approx 270 premier league appearance and scored 40 odd goals.
Berahino before Irvine had scored 5 in 32 now has 7 in 15.
Whoever is our manager during the January window needs to make sure we have someone brought in who can put it in the back of the net.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Nice stat for those who firmly put the lack of goals at the door of Irvines negative play.
The strikers available to him have made approx 270 premier league appearance and scored 40 odd goals.
Berahino before Irvine had scored 5 in 32 now has 7 in 15.
Whoever is our manager during the January window needs to make sure we have someone brought in who can put it in the back of the net.

Yes, we need to spend £10m-plus on a striker.  Wait a minute, didn't we already do that ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 06, 2014, 09:03:21 PM
Looks like he'll be here for the Villa game then  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:09:05 PM
If it's in the best interests of the club, why is it? If anything, wanting your team to win a game for your own short-term joy rather than for what's in the best long-term interests of the club is worse
I want my team to win every game not just one against the Vile. People say lose a game for the greater good of the club, isn't getting 3 points for the greater good of the club more important. I have been a Baggies for over 50 years and never have I wanted to OUR TEAM to go out and lose a game so the manager gets the boot and I have seen some rubbish managers in my time. I am no Irvine lover, didn't want him but gave him a chance but he has blown that chance now and will soon get the sack.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAcz on December 06, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
Up to now I think the fact that all the 3 promoted teams have been at the bottom of the table has kept the pressure off AI. However, if one of them goes on a run and we slide down with the likes of Hull or Sunderland etc for a relegation spot that will then make Peace more nervous. No manager in my view will be sacked until we are into January, like other posters have said IF we take points in the next 2 games the table looks a lot different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:16:34 PM
I want my team to win every game not just one against the Vile. People say lose a game for the greater good of the club, isn't getting 3 points for the greater good of the club more important. I have been a Baggies for over 50 years and never have I wanted to OUR TEAM to go out and lose a game so the manager gets the boot and I have seen some rubbish managers in my time. I am no Irvine lover, didn't want him but gave him a chance but he has blown that chance now and will soon get the sack.
This is the first time in my history of supporting the club I've ever felt like this so I think that says something about my confidence in Irvine. I'm not quite sure you understand the situation- if we beat villa, peace will give Irvine more time, and in that time, we'll lose more points than we would if we lost to villa, Irvine was sacked, and a competent head coach was appointed. Getting enough points over the course of the season is obviously more important than getting enough points in one game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:32:25 PM
This is the first time in my history of supporting the club I've ever felt like this so I think that says something about my confidence in Irvine. I'm not quite sure you understand the situation- if we beat villa, peace will give Irvine more time, and in that time, we'll lose more points than we would if we lost to villa, Irvine was sacked, and a competent head coach was appointed. Getting enough points over the course of the season is obviously more important than getting enough points in one game
And this competent coach comes in and we still get relegated by say 3 points how would you feel then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:33:04 PM
And this competent coach comes in and we still get relegated by say 3 points how would you feel then.
Yeah, you still don't get it do you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:35:18 PM
Yes, we need to spend £10m-plus on a striker.  Wait a minute, didn't we already do that ?
We need to bring someone in who can score goals.  If that is on a free or loan or costs us £50M it is our best chance of survival.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:37:09 PM
We need to bring someone in who can score goals.  If that is on a free or loan or costs us £50M it is our best chance of survival.
Brown Ideye has a track-record of scoring goals. It's just that Irvine won't play him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 09:43:26 PM
Christ Almighty hes still here, i was hoping to wake with some good news. We need this change before QPR otherwise we are going down. come on then who are we going to beat with Mr Tactically inept in charge, we wont survive on the odd draw will we
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 06, 2014, 09:44:00 PM

One game ban, he'll be ok to play against us
Saving grace for me is that they are due an off day at home after beating burnley and leicester!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 09:45:04 PM
Saving grace for me is that they are due an off day at home after beating burnley and leicester!


we will go play for a point and get done 1-0 just like next saturday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 06, 2014, 09:45:26 PM
Brown Ideye has a track-record of scoring goals. It's just that Irvine won't play him.
Torres had a great scoring record before he went to Chelsea. If he thought he was capable of scoring the goals the fans demand that he wouldn't be playing now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 06, 2014, 09:45:36 PM
Yeah, you still don't get it do you
I still don't get why any fan would want their team to lose a game so that a manager gets the sack. I will be cheering the lads on Saturday and praying for a win and would do no matter who we are playing.
You have your views and I have mine ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 06, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
38 points looks impossible with the current set-up.

Remember, many of our winnable games have come and gone AND we have the finish from hell where we'll need to be 6/7 points clear of the relegation zone at that point to survive I fear.
Have they? We beat leicester away, burnley at home, got points against palace and sunderland at home. We still have a number of winnable fixtures to go! Also if we don't have the points by that stage, you only have to look at Sunderland last season who had a sensational finish with their run-in...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:48:31 PM
Torres had a great scoring record before he went to Chelsea. If he thought he was capable of scoring the goals the fans demand that he wouldn't be playing now?
I suspect if Irvine thought he could score goals he'd play him. However, I trust Ideye's goalscoring history much more than I trust Alan Irvine's judgement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 09:48:56 PM
Because its the Vile i want us to win this one but i cant see it. If it takes one game to push him over the edge with a loss nothing changes does it. i would take it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 09:51:52 PM
I still don't get why any fan would want their team to lose a game so that a manager gets the sack. I will be cheering the lads on Saturday and praying for a win and would do no matter who we are playing.
You have your views and I have mine ;)
Yeah that's fair enough, I'm not trying to tell you what you should want! I do understand why people still want us to beat Villa even if it means Irvine staying on. I just personally think it would be more in the club's medium to long term interests to lose so that Irvine goes sooner and we "hopefully" replace him with a more competent manager, meaning the new man has more games to win points and we finish the season with a higher points total, thus less likely to end in relegation.

All of that would be moot of course if Peace goes and appoints the cheap option again and keeps Downing and Kiely on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 06, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
The only problem with ditching Irvine is that our club takes the best part of 2 months to appoint a manager. We'd no doubt have Keith Downing in charge for all that time, we could be cut adrift by the end of Jan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 06, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
The only problem with ditching Irvine is that our club takes the best part of 2 months to appoint a manager. We'd no doubt have Keith Downing in charge for all that time, we could be cut adrift by the end of Jan.
That's the worry. Peace needs to already be identifying replacements so he can appoint as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Albion delighted to announce Alan Irvine will be appointed as their new Head Coach. He has agreed a 12-month rolling contract #wba 1/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  3m

Irvine will bring Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as GK Coach 3/3



I thought this was a wind up at the time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 10:41:40 PM
we should do a swap with Everton they boo Martinez and we boo Irvine whos theirs anyway
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 06, 2014, 10:45:42 PM


I thought this was a wind up at the time
it still winds me up. that should be framed and hung on jps office door with the words WHAT HAVE I DONE underneath it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2014, 10:49:13 PM
You can bet the players will be putting in 100% again against Villa. Hopefully us supporters get behind the team and create a good atmosphere which won't half help the players. A win and things will be looking better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on December 06, 2014, 10:50:25 PM
Surely Jp should be looking at the negative dross we are playing and asking questions of our whole coaching team. I'm struggling to remember our last chance we created from open play never mind the last goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2014, 10:53:41 PM
You can bet the players will be putting in 100% again against Villa. Hopefully us supporters get behind the team and create a good atmosphere which won't half help the players. A win and things will be looking better.



He sure does buy himself time if we beat Villa convincingly with attacking intent, am i dreaming again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 06, 2014, 11:18:27 PM
You can bet the players will be putting in 100% again against Villa. Hopefully us supporters get behind the team and create a good atmosphere which won't half help the players. A win and things will be looking better.
The atmosphere from the supporters will be fine until;
1. The team is announced.
2. We go a goal behind.
3. When we go two goals behind the atmosphere will be as poisonous as any one has ever seen/heard it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 06, 2014, 11:43:34 PM
I only had a 100 mile round trip yesterday unlike most but I would sooner stick pins in my eyes than watch any more of this Irvine inspired negative rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 12:16:12 AM
He had an opportunity yesterday to win us over with an attacking winning display but he continues to be cautious and negative. This man will never change his football beliefs, he will never be accepted. i cant see the agony going past the QPR game unless for some reason he allows the supporters to pick the team
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 07, 2014, 12:32:56 AM
He had an opportunity yesterday to win us over with an attacking winning display but he continues to be cautious and negative. This man will never change his football beliefs, he will never be accepted. i cant see the agony going past the QPR game unless for some reason he allows the supporters to pick the team
I would love to see that, would your formation would be 1-1-8  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 12:47:28 AM
I would love to see that, would your formation would be 1-1-8  ;D



i was thinking more 3-3-4 for a one off, villa dont score many apparently so lets go batter the seals
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 07, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
Nice stat for those who firmly put the lack of goals at the door of Irvines negative play.
The strikers available to him have made approx 270 premier league appearance and scored 40 odd goals.
Berahino before Irvine had scored 5 in 32 now has 7 in 15.
Whoever is our manager during the January window needs to make sure we have someone brought in who can put it in the back of the net.

Or the alternative is that the manager gets his sides set up to provide some service to our forwards.

Given the chance our forwards will more than likely score goals but at the moment they're being starved by those behind them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2014, 01:38:56 AM
Cards on the table , I'd sooner have Downing in charge for a few weeks than Irvine now and i don't have to list why as we have all covered his faults in the last few months...basically he has had his chance.While I'm aware many are against Downing and Kiely we had a decent run over Christmas with them last year and the football can't possibly be any worse than Irvine's . The bloke's got to go and to be honest i half expected/hoped he would have gone today , looks like a good drubbing by Villa will have to be the tipping point! :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 01:46:33 AM
Cards on the table , I'd sooner have Downing in charge for a few weeks than Irvine now and i don't have to list why as we have all covered his faults in the last few months...basically he has had his chance.While I'm aware many are against Downing and Kiely we had a decent run over Christmas with them last year and the football can't possibly be any worse than Irvine's . The bloke's got to go and to be honest i half expected/hoped he would have gone today , looks like a good drubbing by Villa will have to be the tipping point! :(
True, but if the totally incompotent Downing and Kiely were to be given the role til the end of the season we'd still go down. The sooner there's an overhaul the better
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 07, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
Yet it is poor to delete my post to tylerm in response to AL coaching as "hilarious". You simply need to Google his record of coaching. No wonder people are leaving this site.Which used to allow debate.My pointing out "ignorance" . Stands his record is there coaching wise for all to see.

I haven't deleted any of your posts. This site does allow debate and always has done despite the constant pops at us for one reason or another.

Is this the post you mean ? If so its a few pages back and has not been deleted

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13829.msg338981#msg338981
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 07, 2014, 02:35:51 AM
I would love to see that, would your formation would be 1-1-8  ;D

Yes and it would only take us two minutes to pick a better team than it takes Irvine all week!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 07, 2014, 03:31:10 AM
My worry is , and it grows by the game, i looked at the fixtures before the season started and thought we had a good chance of being in a comfortable position.
We are talking about Albion here but we should be alot better off and I think we will be in a similar position to last season come xmas.Give us all a early xmas present JP get rid NOW.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 07, 2014, 03:44:28 AM
villa next up then QPR away cant see anything out of these 2 games . hes a dead man walking .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on December 07, 2014, 03:54:19 AM
I think it fair to say that most of us think that Irvine is a really rubbish, negative manager. 

But it seems he is popular at the Hawthorns with players and management and his training sessions are enjoyable.  He also has a good reputation for coaching younger players.

Most of us too think that Pinky and Perky are part of the problem, rather than conferring stability when the head coach is changed they ensure that instability is maintained.

So, just as a thought shouldn't Peace now be actively looking for a new manager (call him head coach if he likes, and not expect him to have the last word on player recruitment)?  When he finds one - not before - appoint him and his coaching staff, and also sack Pinky and Perky, but also retain Irvive as a coach to ensure some continuity and to concentrate on bridging the huge gap between acadamy and first team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 07, 2014, 03:58:06 AM
It beggers belief that IR was 'delighted' with yesterdays result!  They were dreadful and their goalie had to make 2 saves Wow!   We have now played 750 minutes of football away from home and not scored from open play, just 4 goals ( 1 header - 1 pen - 2 OG's ). how much longer will this idiot be in charge, supporters will desert us never to return if this carries on much lobger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 07, 2014, 04:01:29 AM
It beggers belief that IR was 'delighted' with yesterdays result!  They were dreadful and their goalie had to make 2 saves Wow!   We have now played 750 minutes of football away from home and not scored from open play, just 4 goals ( 1 header - 1 pen - 2 OG's ). how much longer will this idiot be in charge, supporters will desert us never to return if this carries on much lobger.

Is probably claiming that only the missed penalty spoilt the plan.

If that dross is the extent of his ambition then we'll soon be averaging 15,000 gates.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 04:26:17 AM
Or the alternative is that the manager gets his sides set up to provide some service to our forwards.

Given the chance our forwards will more than likely score goals but at the moment they're being starved by those behind them.
History seems to blight our coach but gets overlooked for our players.

If our strikers are starving theynneed to help our midfielders to feed them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 07, 2014, 04:35:40 AM
That probable would happen if they were allowed out of their rigid formation and that only haopens when we are behind or 10 mins left
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 07, 2014, 04:36:03 AM
Yet it is poor to delete my post to tylerm in response to AL coaching as "hilarious". You simply need to Google his record of coaching. No wonder people are leaving this site.Which used to allow debate.My pointing out "ignorance" . Stands his record is there coaching wise for all to see.

There you go gloucesterbaggie-I did Google his coaching record
I hope the link works but you are free to tell me which bit of his coaching history you can call'second to none' or 'impressive'
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Irvine_%28footballer,_born_1958%29
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 07, 2014, 04:38:39 AM
Negatives first, 7 games 3 goals one a comical own goal, one a penalty and the other from a set piece, We dont create chances and when we do we have one player in our whole squad who can finish and he was dropped for whatever reason im not sure. main one why we dont score goals from open play is because we have no width we have three plodders in the midfield who are championship players now probably more than three tbh, Our "best player" sessgnon again doesnt go past players doesnt run past the striker and doesnt score goals as well as blowing out hes ar.e after 60 minutes can understand why di canio didnt rate him and if he is the first name on the team sheet like alot of our fans say then that speakes volumes about our attacking options.

Positives then as there is a few we look solid defensively our left back looks a very good player and its good to see, fully commited to the cause like lescott, Foster will win us points this season, We look well drilled, organized and our passing was alot sharper yesterday, Valera offered us width and Brown ideye looked good when he came on showed some promise i thought.

Mr irvine studies football religiously and puts in the work and its evident he is a good coach i wouldnt be against taking him away from the spotlight where it doesnt suit him and offering him Downings job then bring in Head Coach who has more balls and charisma to work alongside him. At home and away hes looking at or relying more so on us taking our one chance not about pressing them and trying to open them up but more so the finer margins of the match, Not the best entertainment wise of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 07, 2014, 04:45:59 AM
Sorry but for me he simply has to go, he was the wrong choice when he was appointed and I've seen absolutely nothing to change my mind about that. That win against Burnley is extremely flattering compared to the rest of the season so far - we did play some good stuff but against a very poor, out of form Burnley side at the time.

3 goals away from home so far this season (one an own goal, one a penalty and one from a set piece) speaks volumes about a) our limited attacking prowess and b) Irvine's total lack of ambition. Hull were there for the taking yesterday and are as poor a team as I've seen this season, just as bad as Burnley but we were happy to go there and come away with only a point.

I dare say next week against the Villa we will see the same old story unfold in front of us - go a goal up after a bright start, immediately sit back, give a silly goal away and let the away team dictate the match and eventually leave with all three points, despite us throwing all our strikers and Ben Foster up front for the last ten minutes in a desperate attempt to snatch a point.

It's all very, very predictable and depressing at the moment. Will a change of Head Coach bring some more positive results? For me, 100% yes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 07, 2014, 04:50:54 AM
I think it fair to say that most of us think that Irvine is a really rubbish, negative manager. 

But it seems he is popular at the Hawthorns with players and management and his training sessions are enjoyable.  He also has a good reputation for coaching younger players.


We kept hearing how training was fun with Clarke as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 07, 2014, 04:52:29 AM
My worry is , and it grows by the game, i looked at the fixtures before the season started and thought we had a good chance of being in a comfortable position.
We are talking about Albion here but we should be alot better off and I think we will be in a similar position to last season come xmas.Give us all a early xmas present JP get rid NOW.

Realistically for survival we needed 20 points plus by now. We needed to be well on our way, we aren't and there is honestly no hope of actually getting any more points.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 07, 2014, 04:55:14 AM
It's back to when Clarke was in charge, I can't face reading any articles in the news about the team and how dreadful we are. I firmly believe we have the players to do well, however we needed a coach or manager higher than conference level. In quiet moments I sit back and still try to fathom wtf the club were thinking when they employed this bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 05:12:11 AM
Another little stat for the fans, in the 15 league games before Irvine arrived we scored 17 goals under our saviour Pepe Mel, a massive 3 more than we have in the 15 league games under the "clueless" Irvine.

In the first 15 under Clarke last season, we also managed to score a massive 3 more than we have under Irvine.

Perhaps the root cause of the problem is deeper than the coach?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 05:14:30 AM
History seems to blight our coach but gets overlooked for our players.

If our strikers are starving theynneed to help our midfielders to feed them.

Which is why we need a coach that does not put our midfield in a ultra negative and defensive straight jacket when we have the ball. The main focus is always not to get counter attacked upon but to keep the ball. Which means we never really attack for fear of losing the ball. This is of course complete nonsense by Irvine, but totally in line with his ultra negative approach.

Ergo 1 + 1 = get rid of this coach and find someone with a clue how to play football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 05:17:11 AM
Another little stat for the fans, in the 15 league games before Irvine arrived we scored 17 goals under our saviour Pepe Mel, a massive 3 more than we have in the 15 league games under the "clueless" Irvine.

In the first 15 under Clarke last season, we also managed to score a massive 3 more than we have under Irvine.

Perhaps the root cause of the problem is deeper than the coach?
With a completely different squad. Mel would make much more out of the squad Irvine now has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 07, 2014, 05:19:56 AM
Another little stat for the fans, in the 15 league games before Irvine arrived we scored 17 goals under our saviour Pepe Mel, a massive 3 more than we have in the 15 league games under the "clueless" Irvine.

Perhaps the root cause of the problem is deeper than the coach?

We all know hat Pepe Mel was undermined by the players,was not supported by the directors and that Downing/Kiely were in charge
If Pepe Mel had been properly supported in May this year there is no doubt we would be much better off now
Instead we gave way to player power-that's why we need a manager to take control
Irvine is just the players puppet so that's why they like him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 05:25:00 AM
It's back to when Clarke was in charge, I can't face reading any articles in the news about the team and how dreadful we are. I firmly believe we have the players to do well, however we needed a coach or manager higher than conference level. In quiet moments I sit back and still try to fathom wtf the club were thinking when they employed this bloke.

Yes, it was such an obviously shocking decision it points to something rotten much deeper into our hierarchy. JP needs to identify the incompetency and deal with it. This has been going on for some time now.

What makes it worse is the propaganda from the club claiming Irvine was a good, solid choice when everyone could see the obvious reality; he never was.

For those claiming he was never given a chance this is simply not true. Fans may not have been happy but overall people have taken a wait and see approach until now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
There you go gloucesterbaggie-I did Google his coaching record
I hope the link works but you are free to tell me which bit of his coaching history you can call'second to none' or 'impressive'
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Irvine_%28footballer,_born_1958%29
preston and sheff Wednesday fans thought they had it bad with Irvine even with a 40% win rate, its 22% for us, doh. paddle pooh and creek.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 07, 2014, 05:31:56 AM
We all know hat Pepe Mel was undermined by the players,was not supported by the directors and that Downing/Kiely were in charge
If Pepe Mel had been properly supported in May this year there is no doubt we would be much better off now
Instead we gave way to player power-that's why we need a manager to take control
Irvine is just the players puppet so that's why they like him


Downing and Kiely had to keep us up because Mel lost the plot. No way was he good enough to manage us in the long term. He came across as a nice man and I don't hold last season against him but if he didn't have an "attacking philosophy" he wouldn't have been nowhere near as popular.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2014, 05:32:43 AM
Another little stat for the fans, in the 15 league games before Irvine arrived we scored 17 goals under our saviour Pepe Mel, a massive 3 more than we have in the 15 league games under the "clueless" Irvine.

In the first 15 under Clarke last season, we also managed to score a massive 3 more than we have under Irvine.

Perhaps the root cause of the problem is deeper than the coach?
the only stats that matter is points per game ratio if sustained will most likely see us relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 07, 2014, 05:33:57 AM
Is it bad I log on here hoping I see the word sacked at the end of the thread name. I always feel downbeat when I see he is still our head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 05:34:20 AM
We all know hat Pepe Mel was undermined by the players,was not supported by the directors and that Downing/Kiely were in charge
If Pepe Mel had been properly supported in May this year there is no doubt we would be much better off now
Instead we gave way to player power-that's why we need a manager to take control
Irvine is just the players puppet so that's why they like him
Internet myth alert.
The senior players who supposedly undermined Mel have hardly featured in the first team under Irvine (and some no longer at the club) which suggests that maybe they don't have the influence that some suggest (or actually we already have a coach dealing with the situation?).
There is no compelling evidence to suggest that we would have been any better off under Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 05:40:26 AM
preston and sheff Wednesday fans thought they had it bad with Irvine even with a 40% win rate, its 22% for us, doh. paddle pooh and creek.
Pepe Mel win ratio at Real Betis 42% and 17.65% for us but some people think he was Corberan?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 07, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
There is no compelling evidence to suggest that we would have been any better off under Pepe Mel.

Personally didn't want Mel to stay on as Head Coach, I believe he was tactically inept and would most likely take us down this season if kept on. However, whilst I think we would be in a similar position in the league if we still had Mel, I believe we'd be enjoying games a lot more than we are at the moment.

I can accept bad results if I see us having a go and trying to win games by playing positive, attractive football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 07, 2014, 05:44:37 AM
There you go gloucesterbaggie-I did Google his coaching record
I hope the link works but you are free to tell me which bit of his coaching history you can call'second to none' or 'impressive'
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Irvine_%28footballer,_born_1958%29

You need also to see what players say about the help he has given/coached them.You can see the improvement of Dawson and Saido for a start. What I am saying he could well be good on the coaching/assistant role but NOT what passes as our Manager.These days.Only one has done well RH.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 05:47:41 AM
How many more times, PepeMel  had no support whatsoever . He got plenty of back stabbers though. They all have it far to easy at the Albion now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 07, 2014, 05:48:16 AM
You need also to see what players say about the help he has given/coached them.You can see the improvement of Dawson and Saido for a start. What I am saying he could well be good on the coaching/assistant role but NOT what passes as are Manager.These days.Only one has done well RH.

Regarding the improvements of Dawson and Saido, is that down to coaching or just a coming of age? This is the first time both players have had good runs in our starting eleven, both have always had the natural talent and potential to be Premier League footballers, they just needed a run in the team and credit to Irvine for giving them that game time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 07, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
Regarding the improvements of Dawson and Saido, is that down to coaching or just a coming of age? This is the first time both players have had good runs in our starting eleven, both have always had the natural talent and potential to be Premier League footballers, they just needed a run in the team and credit to Irvine for giving them that game time.
Yes. He gave them a chance. But he is not a decision maker in my humble view. But he seems able to build confidence in players. Not so good on the "Chess Board" though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 07, 2014, 05:54:21 AM
Pepe Mel win ratio at Real Betis 42% and 17.65% for us but some people think he was Corberan?

But VVV that's what I am trying to say
He had no say in picking or running the team- it was downing - he didn't even take training in the last few months and the players all called Downing the boss
We never saw what he was all about because our poor lovey players didn't like running around a lot and weren't fit enough to push up the pitch and close players down quickly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 05:56:32 AM
How many more times, PepeMel  had no support whatsoever . He got plenty of back stabbers though. They all have it far to easy at the Albion now
And as has been asked before,  if it is true,  why did he have no support?  Because he was such a popular man with great ideas for moving the club forward or because we realised the mistake that had been made appointing him?
His record is worse than Irvines at the Albion and people suggest I over defend Irvine!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2014, 06:02:57 AM
Regarding the improvements of Dawson and Saido, is that down to coaching or just a coming of age? This is the first time both players have had good runs in our starting eleven, both have always had the natural talent and potential to be Premier League footballers, they just needed a run in the team and credit to Irvine for giving them that game time.
flip the coin and under Irvine, dorrans and mulumbu look poorer players than when mel was here, also fosters kicking has gone diabolical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 07, 2014, 06:11:47 AM
flip the coin and under Irvine, dorrans and mulumbu look poorer players than when mel was here, also fosters kicking has gone diabolical.
Surely Foster is coached by DK? Dorrans looked good under Mel. Mulumbu always looked ok/good.But they are not young players.They know or should the drills.Gmac came back as never been out?
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2014, 06:18:32 AM
Surely Foster is coached by DK? Dorrans looked good under Mel. Mulumbu always looked ok/good.But they are not young players.They know or should the drills.Gmac came back as never been out?
 
both about 27, hardly old either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 07, 2014, 06:42:14 AM
flip the coin and under Irvine, dorrans and mulumbu look poorer players than when mel was here, also fosters kicking has gone diabolical.
 

On the money there with that coin flip.   ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 07, 2014, 06:54:53 AM
Another little stat for the fans, in the 15 league games before Irvine arrived we scored 17 goals under our saviour Pepe Mel, a massive 3 more than we have in the 15 league games under the "clueless" Irvine.

In the first 15 under Clarke last season, we also managed to score a massive 3 more than we have under Irvine.

Perhaps the root cause of the problem is deeper than the coach?

Your stat tells us the 2 previous failed coaches both had more attacking flair than Ted.  Well done we already knew that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 07:05:23 AM
Your stat tells us the 2 previous failed coaches both had more attacking flair than Ted.  Well done we already knew that.
You're welcome.   ;D
3 extra goals in 1350 minutes of "attacking" football.  One every 450 minutes. An extra goal every 5th match.
Perspective.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 07, 2014, 07:05:48 AM
'As he gone yet?  ;D Go on peace, give us some hope, get sherwood and his merry men in tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 07, 2014, 07:17:13 AM
There you go gloucesterbaggie-I did Google his coaching record
I hope the link works but you are free to tell me which bit of his coaching history you can call'second to none' or 'impressive'
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Irvine_%28footballer,_born_1958%29

Thought you wanted to prove your point about his impeccable coaching record but it appears that even when I pit the tools under your nose you can't prove your point
I take it that you concede about his record as a coach 'being there for all to see'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 07, 2014, 09:14:45 AM
And as has been asked before,  if it is true,  why did he have no support?  Because he was such a popular man with great ideas for moving the club forward or because we realised the mistake that had been made appointing him?
We don't know, so why do you ask? All we can say is that it made no sense whatsoever to bring him in and then do nothing to help him achieve what he was brought in to do.

His record is worse than Irvines at the Albion and people suggest I over defend Irvine!
Pepe never got the opportunity to bring in any players. All new managers/coaches should get the chance to do that before they're judged, unless they're tenure is cataclysmically awful. During the time Irvine has been here, we've signed virtually a team full. I really do wonder what it will take for you to change your mind about Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 07, 2014, 09:46:33 AM
People will no doubt recall Irvine saying that Ideye couldn't get in the side because him and Berahino are too similar. Fast forward to yesterday and Berahino was dropped/rested due to a drop in form and Ideye still can't get into the side.

Irvine says one thing and then, a short while later, says or does something to completely contradict it. On that basis alone, reading his rambling, erratic thoughts is both excruciating and mystifying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 07, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Have they? We beat leicester away, burnley at home, got points against palace and sunderland at home. We still have a number of winnable fixtures to go! Also if we don't have the points by that stage, you only have to look at Sunderland last season who had a sensational finish with their run-in...

Every game is winnable, maybe if we tried to win them from the start we might just win a few more
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on December 07, 2014, 06:16:16 PM
We all know any team can beat any other team in the Premiership but we are more likely to lose to teams like Chelsea and Man City so to achieve an average of a point a game we need to beat some of the other teams.Hull City is a fine example so why were we set up to achieve only one shot in open play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
an Average of one shot on goal every game.If we dont beat Villa and i mean dont beat not draw i wont be going to the hawthorns again until this neagative coach has gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 06:30:49 PM
an Average of one shot on goal every game.If we dont beat Villa and i mean dont beat not draw i wont be going to the hawthorns again until this neagative coach has gone

I have already made that decision to stay away.
I wont be going again until he either changes the way we play and makes us look like we actually want to win a game, or he is gone.

Whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 07, 2014, 06:46:46 PM
an Average of one shot on goal every game.If we dont beat Villa and i mean dont beat not draw i wont be going to the hawthorns again until this neagative coach has gone

Same here. I said it as i left the ground last tuesday and sticking to it. Only going on saturday because it is the vile. Season ticket can be put to better uses:

a. scraping ice off the car
b. stopping the table in the hall from wobbling
c. smoothing filler

other suggestions on a postcard please
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 07, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
Fed up, dissolusioned, bored, can't be bothered. Insert whatever words you want to describe our negative style, coach and team.

First time in a while I won't be at the Villa game, can't justify the travel costs from Essex and match ticket to watch the smash us. Can't really say I'm that gutted about it though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 06:55:35 PM
Same here. I said it as i left the ground last tuesday and sticking to it. Only going on saturday because it is the vile. Season ticket can be put to better uses:

a. scraping ice off the car
b. stopping the table in the hall from wobbling
c. smoothing filler

other suggestions on a postcard please



I have paid for my season ticket and i cant believe what i say when i wont go, first time ever. i will offer my seat to charity
There is no worse feeling than walking back to the bus frustrated and drunk off


D. Getting rid of the woodchip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
We don't know, so why do you ask? All we can say is that it made no sense whatsoever to bring him in and then do nothing to help him achieve what he was brought in to do.
Pepe never got the opportunity to bring in any players. All new managers/coaches should get the chance to do that before they're judged, unless they're tenure is cataclysmically awful. During the time Irvine has been here, we've signed virtually a team full. I really do wonder what it will take for you to change your mind about Irvine?
The truth of the matter is that neither Mel or Irvine are any good. We ended up with both after long and protracted interview processes, which brings us to the real crux of the problem and that is that our recruitment process is hamstrung by the set up restrictions.
Mel was out early on in the process and then back in at the 11th hour when we couldn't get anyone else.
As for Irvine, the fact that we had to go cap in hand to someone with a CV as poor as his, says it all.
Once Irvine has gone, Peace needs a rethink otherwise we will only attract poor, desperate 'Head Coaches' when what we really need is a proven 'Management' team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 07:25:10 PM
I wonder how many of the fans who originally asked for a refund when AI was appointed, wish they had taken the clubs offer to refund now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 07:30:05 PM
Every game is winnable, maybe if we tried to win them from the start we might just win a few more

Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when we magically get all the breaks going our way. This works now and then but not very often, still we must persist with this model at all costs since Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when.... (repeat this loop ad nauseam).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
I wonder how many of the fans who originally asked for a refund when AI was appointed, wish they had taken the clubs offer to refund now.


I did and got an email from Jenkins, i then told him i had changed my mind. player recruitment might have helped change my mind.
I aint seen them win yet lol, i missed the Burnley and Spurs games because of them being played on a Sunday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
For what it's worth I think Irvine is getting the best out of the players at his disposal and is getting dictated to by others who he should play.

Give him 6 months without the gruesome twosome, if we go down , we go down, would go down anyway regardless of who we bring in.

Mulumbu looks worse, cause he ain't playing him; Dorrans looks worse cause Mel got the best out of him, for 2 months
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 07, 2014, 08:08:27 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981)

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”

“We are all battling for the gaffer at the same time. He is a great guy, we all really like him, we all get on well with him. You hear a few murmurings in the press recently and we are trying to pay no attention to it. We all want the gaffer to be here as long as possible.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 08:10:58 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981)

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”

“We are all battling for the gaffer at the same time. He is a great guy, we all really like him, we all get on well with him. You hear a few murmurings in the press recently and we are trying to pay no attention to it. We all want the gaffer to be here as long as possible.”




Far too cushy at the Albion. They be crying in there beers this time next week when hes gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 08:12:10 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981)

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”

“We are all battling for the gaffer at the same time. He is a great guy, we all really like him, we all get on well with him. You hear a few murmurings in the press recently and we are trying to pay no attention to it. We all want the gaffer to be here as long as possible.”

Wouldnt expect him to say anything else tbh.

Its not like hes going to come out and say, Irvine aint got a clue, he doesnt know how to pick an attacking team etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2014, 08:15:57 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981)

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”

“We are all battling for the gaffer at the same time. He is a great guy, we all really like him, we all get on well with him. You hear a few murmurings in the press recently and we are trying to pay no attention to it. We all want the gaffer to be here as long as possible.”
It is good to hear that the players are backing him, he must be doing something right. That being said the ones that back him seem to be the ones that are virtually guaranteed a start (Foster / Lescott / Brunt). That's true of most clubs though.
The worry with this statement however is the fact that he believes the team selection and formation really works, following a dour and dull 0-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 08:22:38 PM
For what it's worth I think Irvine is getting the best out of the players at his disposal and is getting dictated to by others who he should play.

Give him 6 months without the gruesome twosome, if we go down , we go down, would go down anyway regardless of who we bring in.

Mulumbu looks worse, cause he ain't playing him; Dorrans looks worse cause Mel got the best out of him, for 2 months

That makes no sense. We have never been this negative under Downing. In fact Downing changed the team basically on a game by game basis, while Irvine keeps the same 'play sideways and back style' in every single game. Downing without doubt is a huge fan of Hodgson and tried to set up variations of RH's style most of the time but this super negative approach came in with Irvine.

I'd rather have Downing than Irvine tbh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 08:40:25 PM
That makes no sense. We have never been this negative under Downing. In fact Downing changed the team basically on a game by game basis, while Irvine keeps the same 'play sideways and back style' in every single game. Downing without doubt is a huge fan of Hodgson and tried to set up variations of RH's style most of the time but this super negative approach came in with Irvine.

I'd rather have Downing than Irvine tbh.

Give Downing the job then, easy peasy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 07, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Give Downing the job then, easy peasy
That's going backwards, we need new blood not a transfusion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
Downing would be an absolute disaster. The only positive would be that he'd finally get sacked.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 08:51:28 PM
But, he's here, apparently fantastic! I know he said he didn't want the top job, but that's making all the big calls without the big blame.

My opinion is if Downing wants to be a part of our (sorry JP's club) then maybe he might stick his head over the parapit to get shot at.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 08:53:27 PM
So we agree, Downing ain't the answer.


Bye then!

C'mon JP, show your brilliance.


Brings me back to my post on how the "football" budget is allocated, head of recruitment or coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 09:06:24 PM
I think they only reason Downing didnt take the job last year was because I think deep down he knows hes comfortable in his current role. He has seen 'head coaches' come and go yet he has remained in a job.

If he moved up to take the Head Coach role and failed, he would be out of a job. At present hes comfortable and earning money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 07, 2014, 09:11:01 PM
I can understand why it is getting to people i really can and thats why i worry for Saturday the whole occasion not at least them prats in the away end loving every minute of it. If we do lose fail to score etc i think there would be a few who didnt return after Christmas sad but true but also true that the club dont really care im afraid, I think depending if we get a home draw tonight we really could see the lowest crowd for a while to the Hawthorns come January the 3rd obviously i hope we turn it around the next 2 games but im far from confident at the moment i think the only positive thing that would come out of a loss on Saturday is the club would see the fans frustrations in full not pretty but effective maybe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 09:16:55 PM
That's going backwards, we need new blood not a transfusion.

It's not going backwards, it's a step out of the Irvine disaster so it is a step forward until we can bring in someone who has a clue.

I doubt we have someone lined up to step in straight away, so what will happen is that Irvine will cling on for ages and ages and ages until we are into late winter/early spring and not enough time is left to save the season, especially with our tough finish.

My guess is that we will be well cut off by then together with Hull, Leicester and Burnley. If Hull and QPR find a bit of form well that's it for us. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 09:17:58 PM
I think they only reason Downing didnt take the job last year was because I think deep down he knows hes comfortable in his current role. He has seen 'head coaches' come and go yet he has remained in a job.

If he moved up to take the Head Coach role and failed, he would be out of a job. At present hes comfortable and earning money.

Exactly, not rocket science is it. He has a wonderful job as it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 09:20:16 PM
It's not going backwards, it's a step out of the Irvine disaster so it is a step forward until we can bring in someone who has a clue.

I doubt we have someone lined up to step in straight away, so what will happen is that Irvine will cling on for ages and ages and ages until we are into late winter/early spring and not enough time is left to save the season, especially with our tough finish.

My guess is that we will be well cut off by then together with Hull, Leicester and Burnley. If Hull and QPR find a bit of form well that's it for us.
It really is criminal. With the right manager this squad should be in the top-half. The worst thing for me is that we have the players, they're just not being played by our incompetent coaching team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 09:20:28 PM
I think they only reason Downing didnt take the job last year was because I think deep down he knows hes comfortable in his current role. He has seen 'head coaches' come and go yet he has remained in a job.

If he moved up to take the Head Coach role and failed, he would be out of a job. At present hes comfortable and earning money.

Agree mate , by all accounts he his fantastic at his craft, but, who should be capable of hiring or firing him? JP? garlick? Or the bloke that happens to front the Albion when things go tits up?

I think a football coach should coach, I think a head of recruitment should recruit, but solely on the recommendation of the coach.

JP gives a target performance wise, a budget to achieve that goal, the coaching then tells Mr recruitment to buy what's required within the financial parameters.

Coach gets his wishes and fails, terrah. recruitment can't attract, terrah, chairman can't provide terrah
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 07, 2014, 09:23:23 PM
If we went down this season i would be amazed if Downing was still in a job come next season, No way would Peace take to that kindly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 07, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
I could be wrong but didn't Downing say last season he was interested in going into management but he didn't want the Albion job full time.

Maybe he knows what the issues are behind the scenes and wouldn't want to have to deal with them on a full time basis
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 09:38:54 PM
I could be wrong but didn't Downing say last season he was interested in going into management but he didn't want the Albion job full time.

Maybe he knows what the issues are behind the scenes and wouldn't want to have to deal with them on a full time basis

Yeah, but that's scary, we have a chicken and egg situation, do we do this to achieve that, or do we do that to achieve this?

No club can tread water and hope to stay buoyant. Too many bigger and similar sized clubs to us underachieving.

Off the field, without a shadow of a doubt, JP and his team ain't performing, on the field the people JP has entrusted arnt up to scratch.

The fact we have cheap ticket sales tells me, cheap product.

The fact people are disillusioned says to me, don't know his target market.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 07, 2014, 09:39:49 PM
Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when we magically get all the breaks going our way. This works now and then but not very often, still we must persist with this model at all costs since Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when.... (repeat this loop ad nauseam).

Actually, that's a really interesting theory - seriously.
As I've said on another topic, I don't understand this differentiation between a manager & a head coach, the principle works in other sports & there's no reason why it shouldn't work in football, but...............

Does anybody know for certain how our Coaching structure is set-up?
a)I assume that AI reports in to TB, & DK, KD & RK report in to AI, but what if they all report in to TB? Doesn't that undermine AI?
b)What are DK, KD & RK's main responsibilities? I assume that DK's speciality is goalkeeping, with the other two specialising in defence & attack.If that's not the case, then we might need to balance the coaching team.
c)What does AI look for when he's viewing our next opponents? Does he do a "SWOT" test (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats) or does he just focus on their strengths & threats?

I'm not convinced we're doing a lot wrong, & IMO we don't need to rip up the blueprint & start again, but we do need to take a look at how the structure is set up, because clearly something's not right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 09:52:35 PM
Actually, that's a really interesting theory - seriously.
As I've said on another topic, I don't understand this differentiation between a manager & a head coach, the principle works in other sports & there's no reason why it shouldn't work in football, but...............

Does anybody know for certain how our Coaching structure is set-up?
a)I assume that AI reports in to TB, & DK, KD & RK report in to AI, but what if they all report in to TB? Doesn't that undermine AI?
b)What are DK, KD & RK's main responsibilities? I assume that DK's speciality is goalkeeping, with the other two specialising in defence & attack.If that's not the case, then we might need to balance the coaching team.
c)What does AI look for when he's viewing our next opponents? Does he do a "SWOT" test (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats) or does he just focus on their strengths & threats?

I'm not convinced we're doing a lot wrong, & IMO we don't need to rip up the blueprint & start again, but we do need to take a look at how the structure is set up, because clearly something's not right.

I agree kinda, but the 1st year we went to div 3 didn't we draw our last dozen games? Or close to?

Or as I understand sports in general, play to win, give yeah best, not good enough,,,oh well, always next year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 07, 2014, 09:56:53 PM
Very depressing.  Not even having much of a go when it was obvious what a poor team Hull were.

Given time (that I hope he isn't going to get) I might subscribe to the opinion that AI is a good coach.  But I don't think I have seen anything to lead me to believe that he is a tactician, motivator or leader.  If they are not needed in the Head Coach position then where, in the club, does this come from?

We need someone who is going to lead this club and take people (players, colleagues and fans) with them.  Someone, that is going to come up with a tactical plan to succeed (not just to defend and hope for the best).  We need someone who is going to change talented assets like Blanco and Brown from squad fillers into points winners.  We need someone who is going to inspire everyone.

I don't think that person was on the short list for the Head Coaches position back in May/June.  So you have to try to make the job as attractive as possible in order to get them in.  So, JP, please go and find him.  Give them whatever job title they want, put the right support staff around them to create the environment to succeed rather than trying to jam the wrong person into the wrong position.  Its essential if you want to maintain your £80m turnover.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 10:00:32 PM
Another reason why I see Irvine being here until end of January is, if Irvine is correct when he says the summer signings aint good enough, and we get a new manager in, he is going to want to spend and change the squad in January.

We are known to not spend, or spend very little in January so that could potentialy put off any new coach from coming in.

Which leaves AI in a job until February, by that time we will be close to gone (if current performances continue).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 07, 2014, 10:00:57 PM
12:13pm - He's still here....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on December 07, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
Very depressing.  Not even having much of a go when it was obvious what a poor team Hull were.

Given time (that I hope he isn't going to get) I might subscribe to the opinion that AI is a good coach.  But I don't think I have seen anything to lead me to believe that he is a tactician, motivator or leader.  If they are not needed in the Head Coach position then where, in the club, does this come from?

We need someone who is going to lead this club and take people (players, colleagues and fans) with them.  Someone, that is going to come up with a tactical plan to succeed (not just to defend and hope for the best).  We need someone who is going to change talented assets like Blanco and Brown from squad fillers into points winners.  We need someone who is going to inspire everyone.

I don't think that person was on the short list for the Head Coaches position back in May/June.  So you have to try to make the job as attractive as possible in order to get them in.  So, JP, please go and find him.  Give them whatever job title they want, put the right support staff around them to create the environment to succeed rather than trying to jam the wrong person into the wrong position.  Its essential if you want to maintain your £80m turnover.

Agree
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 10:10:59 PM
Very depressing.  Not even having much of a go when it was obvious what a poor team Hull were.

Given time (that I hope he isn't going to get) I might subscribe to the opinion that AI is a good coach.  But I don't think I have seen anything to lead me to believe that he is a tactician, motivator or leader.  If they are not needed in the Head Coach position then where, in the club, does this come from?

We need someone who is going to lead this club and take people (players, colleagues and fans) with them.  Someone, that is going to come up with a tactical plan to succeed (not just to defend and hope for the best).  We need someone who is going to change talented assets like Blanco and Brown from squad fillers into points winners.  We need someone who is going to inspire everyone.

I don't think that person was on the short list for the Head Coaches position back in May/June.  So you have to try to make the job as attractive as possible in order to get them in.  So, JP, please go and find him.  Give them whatever job title they want, put the right support staff around them to create the environment to succeed rather than trying to jam the wrong person into the wrong position.  Its essential if you want to maintain your £80m turnover.

Well put.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on December 07, 2014, 10:14:56 PM
I'm fed up with the albion, and bored of it too. I cant get excited about going to watch them anymore, I'm dreading the thought of going up Saturday, but I cant blame Irvine in full for that.

Irvine is a great coach, to many professionals have the same opinion so I agree with that. The problem is that a great coach can coach the players but they don't necessarily have the experience/knowledge to setup a team to compete. This is the problem and has been the problem for some time. The only reason Hodgson was so successful was because he was a manager but without the title. The scouting team do a good job and even though we get a few duds we also get a few good players too. Saido has developed a lot this season and some of that has got to because of Irvine.

I'm now of the opinion that we do not necessarily have to get rid of Irvine but we need to bring someone in that understands the tactics side and someone to pick the side. I think that sort of person is a called a manger. The problem would be if Irvine wouldn't want to stand down.

There is only one thing I'm certain of, is that if the team fails to perform against the villa, he is finished, There will be no way back for him, even though I'm not sure there is a way back now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 07, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981)

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”
That comment from Foster is sufficiently crass to justify everything that he said being ignored!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 07, 2014, 10:20:43 PM
I'd rather have Downing than Irvine tbh.
I'd rather have neither of them thanks - it's long overdue time for a new broom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 10:22:44 PM
Another reason why I see Irvine being here until end of January is, if Irvine is correct when he says the summer signings aint good enough, and we get a new manager in, he is going to want to spend and change the squad in January.

We are known to not spend, or spend very little in January so that could potentialy put off any new coach from coming in.

Which leaves AI in a job until February, by that time we will be close to gone (if current performances continue).




I think the players hes on about need a good run. hes got it wrong its he thats not good enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 07, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I'd rather have neither of them thanks - it's long overdue time for a new broom.

I agree it's a bit of a false choice, but Irvine's football is simply too depressing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DaveWBA on December 07, 2014, 10:32:21 PM
Imagine how depressing it's going to be when come the end of January he's still here and he's got rid of Ideye, Blanco and Varela without giving them a chance, before employing Chris Baird as the linchpin in our midfield for the remainder of the season. That's going to be fun isn't it?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on December 07, 2014, 10:48:29 PM

I'm actually starting to wonder if JP is happy to take another stint in the Championship, in truth.

There seems to be no real eye brows being raised from the top regarding the constant stick Alan Irvine is receiving.

Maybe, just maybe, JP is thinking 'there's nobody to appoint who'll work in the system' who would do the job required.

Therefore, we get relegated, regroup with a fresh championship head coach who would hopefully (from JP's point of view) get us promoted within two seasons.

I will give it until next Monday and if we don't beat Villa and he doesn't sack him then I'm convinced of the above.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 10:49:28 PM
Imagine how depressing it's going to be when come the end of January he's still here and he's got rid of Ideye, Blanco and Varela without giving them a chance, before employing Chris Baird as the linchpin in our midfield for the remainder of the season. That's going to be fun isn't it?!
Don't even joke
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 10:57:07 PM
I'm actually starting to wonder if JP is happy to take another stint in the Championship, in truth.

There seems to be no real eye brows being raised from the top regarding the constant stick Alan Irvine is receiving.

Maybe, just maybe, JP is thinking 'there's nobody to appoint who'll work in the system' who would do the job required.

Therefore, we get relegated, regroup with a fresh championship head coach who would hopefully (from JP's point of view) get us promoted within two seasons.

I will give it until next Monday and if we don't beat Villa and he doesn't sack him then I'm convinced of the above.


I can accept us going down if we aint good enough but having given it ago at least, not one shot on goal every game.The entertainment factor is zilch.
Will 15000 gates with Irvine in charge eventually hurt him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 07, 2014, 11:01:46 PM
I'm actually starting to wonder if JP is happy to take another stint in the Championship, in truth.

Ive just been reading about Irvines credentials again and i literally cant think of any other explanation. This is literally the last man you'd want to appoint, just like when Mcleish was at the Villa. It's beyond baffling, we have nothing positive about us whatsoever. We're timid, fans are rapidly losing patience, and those who fork out hundreds and thousands (myself included) to watch us up and down the country are being made to look like absolute mugs. We had a great chance to kick on from last seasons horror show, and we've firmly blown it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 07, 2014, 11:16:54 PM
I thought it was a spoof when I first saw it.

I now keep getting that strange feeling when you wake up from a dream that it can't be true... oh thank God it was just a dream... except it isn't.  I cannot see any logic, however left field, at all in this appointment, anywhere, anyhow, anyway.

I am sure he is a decent a human being, a good husband and kind father etc etc.  And...?

We still might just stay up as Burnley and Leicester look so weak that it is probably them plus ANO, but that still doesn't make any sense of the appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 07, 2014, 11:27:13 PM
I honestly don’t think he is as bad as some people say he is, however it is clear he has almost zero support from the fans. His position will become untenable sooner or later.
As for those who keep harping on about Pepe Mel, the man was inept and lived in a fantasy land.
Step forward Dingle Keith and Dave Jones.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 07, 2014, 11:28:08 PM
I thought it was a spoof when I first saw it.

I now keep getting that strange feeling when you wake up from a dream that it can't be true... oh thank God it was just a dream... except it isn't.  I cannot see any logic, however left field, at all in this appointment, anywhere, anyhow, anyway.

I am sure he is a decent a human being, a good husband and kind father etc etc.  And...?

We still might just stay up as Burnley and Leicester look so weak that it is probably them plus ANO, but that still doesn't make any sense of the appointment.
I also think we'll scrape it. The two you've mentioned and one of us,hull, or qpr.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 11:29:04 PM
I know it sounds bad and 'unsupportive' but when I log on here, I literally have a small glimmer of hope that hes not our head coach anymore.

Im not naive in thinking we should be challenging for Europe etc, or that we should be steam rolling the teams around us, but I firmly believe this is the best squad of players we have ever had in the Premier League, yet were playing some of the worst football attacking wise I have seen at the Albion.

At times we do look solid defensively, but the only problem is we dont look to have any purpose going forward. I dont believe Irvine is a bad coach, but I do believe hes a coach who is scared to lose.

His teams are set up to not lose, and not to win. When we do concede, its hard for our team to get the mentality to get back in to the game, West ham being a key example, we pressed forward got the early goal, then instead of pressing for a 2nd, we sat back and looked to be a 'solid unit.'

Irvine probably is a good coach, and probably is good at man management, but I believe his level is more youth team football, or maybe just an assistant.

My biggest fear is how long Jeremy Peace gives AI to 'prove himself', Ive said it before that we are just delaying the inevitable of letting him go, it just depends on if we still have a fighting chance to stay in the league or not by then.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2014, 11:42:28 PM
I am sick and tired of this. Good Bye until hes gone for this thread anyway.
Come back Pepe Mel eh Aidan. his football  poos on irvines.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on December 07, 2014, 11:46:48 PM
i've said earlier that i doubt peace will get rid of him because of the excuses he gave in the summer about the mistakes he'd made and how he was going to address our problems by appointing the best man available to take us forward. if he did turn turnaround and sack irvine it would look like he  and the backroom staff haven't got a clue what they're doing. cue the egg on the face time. plus as everyone knows whoever comes in will have to work under our constraints including working with kiely and downing .i'd like to know what hold these two have over peace because they seem almost unsackable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 07, 2014, 11:50:15 PM
Good post Mister AT. The way he sets up will send us down.

The way he is set up essentially is playing for a 0-0, and even if it worked everygame we would still be relegated as it won't get us enough points. There needs to be much more attacking intent from the outset.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 07, 2014, 11:59:32 PM
I honestly don’t think he is as bad as some people say he is, however it is clear he has almost zero support from the fans. His position will become untenable sooner or later.
As for those who keep harping on about Pepe Mel, the man was inept and lived in a fantasy land.
Step forward Dingle Keith and Dave Jones.

Its all about opinions, personally I think he lacks the tactical ability as a number one and have not seen anything to suggest otherwise this season.

The reason why most people harp on about Pepe Mel is because not one of us actually know whether he would have done a job for us as he was not given the tools and did not have the backing of the squad which in itself is disgusting as they are employees of this club. If the rumours that he did not take training are true then that again is a disgrace and he should have been sacked straight away as he was not doing the job he was employed to do but then neither did RDM apparently according to other rumours. Plenty of rumours and more rumours about it all. Would he have been an improvement on Irvine with this squad ? who knows ? none of us whether thats those who act like he was Corberan or those who act like he was the worst coach in the history of football but it would have been nice to see as what we are being served at present is amongst the biggest dross I have seen since the dark days of the late 80's and early 90's so yes it could be worse given where we were then BUT we are not that club anymore, we are in our 5th successive season in the so called best league in the world and yet acting like we're scared to be here at times and should be thankful they are allowing us on this massive stage.

The way Foster especially celebrated winning a point at Hull on Saturday as though we had just won the cup was embarrassing. We played HULL F'kin City who have not won since October. It was one of the biggest piles of rubbish I have watched and if it was on tv I would have turned it off. I honestly think if Dorrans had scored that penalty we would have come away with nothing as like we did against West Ham we would have sat back and let them come at us until it was too late. I'm glad Foster likes Irvine but the bloke is there to do a job not to be liked. He may be a cracking coach but come matchday his inexperience shows through.

As for Downing and Kiely, again they might be great blokes but the place needs a clear out, fresh ideas brought in and someone who is prepared to try and win a game of football from the start especially as the home team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 08, 2014, 12:02:14 AM
My logic is;

We could setup 4-5-1 (Def) (this is a FIFA 15 formation which i think Irvine is using, he has also toggled to 'Ultra Defensive' mode, only the FIFA15 users will understand this but you get my point).

If we used this system for 38 games, we would still lose more than we win as we are all realists.

However, we may only win 6-8 games.

If, however, we setup 4-5-1 (Att) or 4-3-3 or whatever we want, it increases the chances of winning a game.

Yes, we would still lose more than we win, but surely giving yourself a greater chance of winning 9-13 games a season would guarantee safety.

With Irvine in charge we are cutting it very, very fine to stay up. This is in light of how many points we could achieve/should achieve.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 08, 2014, 12:03:52 AM
Good post Mister AT. The way he sets up will send us down.

The way he is set up essentially is playing for a 0-0, and even if it worked everygame we would still be relegated as it won't get us enough points. There needs to be much more attacking intent from the outset.

That's how all the relegated teams get caught out.

I think Dyche at Burnley realised that after we'd taken them apart (ah them were the days...) and to his credit has been trying to take more teams on.

Difference is though that we're an established Premier League club. AND we've got attacking options.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 08, 2014, 12:40:40 AM
If you want a good laugh go and read Bill Howell's 5 things we learnt at Hull on the B'ham Mail website , number 5 is a classic! ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2014, 12:50:39 AM
5. Tactics.

Albion began on the front foot as they did against West Ham. But unlike against the Hammers they finished on the back foot.

Too many passes went sideways or backwards, too many good situations were squandered. But this is nothing to do with Irvine.

This is down to flair players either being incapable or totally lacking in confidence to try something different.

That can only change with a win




Bill Howell is a fool, he thinks players are responsible for tactics, no wonder his colleagues got jobs in football and he didn't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 08, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
The local journo's have sat on the fence so much with Irvine so far. Surely must be getting a sore backside by now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 08, 2014, 01:34:27 AM
My logic is;

We could setup 4-5-1 (Def) (this is a FIFA 15 formation which i think Irvine is using, he has also toggled to 'Ultra Defensive' mode, only the FIFA15 users will understand this but you get my point).

If we used this system for 38 games, we would still lose more than we win as we are all realists.

However, we may only win 6-8 games.

If, however, we setup 4-5-1 (Att) or 4-3-3 or whatever we want, it increases the chances of winning a game.

Yes, we would still lose more than we win, but surely giving yourself a greater chance of winning 9-13 games a season would guarantee safety.

With Irvine in charge we are cutting it very, very fine to stay up. This is in light of how many points we could achieve/should achieve.
It's almost as if he is happy with losing by small margins and not getting a tonking.
Of course we are going to be more vulnerable if we try and play more expansively but, personally I would rather lose 1 game 6-0 than 6 games 1-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 08, 2014, 01:39:34 AM
I think he is going to turn it around and I also think we will beat Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2014, 02:01:34 AM
think we are where Newcastle fans were in terms of frustration, and Pardew seems to have turned that around so maybe just maybe AI can do a similar trick, I don't share Signor Maresca's optimism though as there is sod all to base it on other than he's a great coach and nice bloke rhetoric.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 08, 2014, 02:03:57 AM
I think he is going to turn it around and I also think we will beat Villa.
I hope you are right, but don't share your optimism.
A good win against the Villa though, a-la the 5-1 drubbing of the Wolves, would certainly lift the gloom. :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 08, 2014, 02:16:45 AM
5. Tactics.

Albion began on the front foot as they did against West Ham. But unlike against the Hammers they finished on the back foot.

Too many passes went sideways or backwards, too many good situations were squandered. But this is nothing to do with Irvine.

This is down to flair players either being incapable or totally lacking in confidence to try something different.

That can only change with a win




Bill Howell is a fool, he thinks players are responsible for tactics, no wonder his colleagues got jobs in football and he didn't

Probably needs a separate topic, but I'm not impressed with the Evening Mail reports at the moment. CL wrote good sensible copy, I might not have agreed with him sometimes, but his arguments were mostly valid. Since he left, both Brian Dick & Bill Howells' reports are more akin to infant school playground writing.
Probably due to the EM belonging to the "Trinity Mirror" group, it looks like amateur attempts at the sensationalism the DM is renowned for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 08, 2014, 02:46:41 AM
Probably needs a separate topic, but I'm not impressed with the Evening Mail reports at the moment. CL wrote good sensible copy, I might not have agreed with him sometimes, but his arguments were mostly valid. Since he left, both Brian Dick & Bill Howells' reports are more akin to infant school playground writing.
Probably due to the EM belonging to the "Trinity Mirror" group, it looks like amateur attempts at the sensationalism the DM is renowned for.
Slightly off topic but I agree with these sentiments regarding the local press.  The Mail’s replacements have been poor, it seems unclear whether Dick and Howell are just temporary replacements or if they are now indeed the permanent Albion reporters, but neither seems to have a thorough understanding of the club.  Howell’s articles seem to simply revolve around “5 things we learnt” and there also seems to be far too many articles based on fans tweets.  Dick at times seems to be completely out of whack with what is happening on the pitch, he awarded Mulumbu a MOM a month or so ago in a game in which he was very poor in.  I think he traditionally specialises in rugby reporting rather than football.

I also think Madeley has gone off the boil at the E&S since CL has departed, I think he is quite an under rated journo on this patch but it seems CL’s presence was keeping him on his toes somewhat and now that he has departed Madeley's own reporting and interaction with supporters has declined.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 08, 2014, 03:54:45 AM
We are told he is a good coach but I've not seen anything to prove this yet!
Can he get players fit? Apparently not, even after having them for 4 or 5 months.
Can he coach them into better players? Nah, Brunt Morrison Dorrans etc are no better now than last season.
Is tactics a coaching skill? That's not happening
So if we lose to the Vile are we all agreed that its Taxi for Mr Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on December 08, 2014, 04:10:18 AM
Is anyone else getting worried about the Alan Pardew effect?......the fact that all the NUFC fans were calling for his head, but their chairman ignored them. Now look at them a few weeks later. Is JP going to hope for the same change of fortune with us?
I'm dreading the villa game, they're all really up for it, the fans and players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 08, 2014, 04:14:12 AM
Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when we magically get all the breaks going our way. This works now and then but not very often, still we must persist with this model at all costs since Every game is losable, maybe if we keep it tight and avoid losing we can snatch a win now and then when.... (repeat this loop ad nauseam).

your point is we go out to lose every game right on mate you in AI  camp, i thing you understand mine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 08, 2014, 04:15:14 AM
If you want a good laugh go and read Bill Howell's 5 things we learnt at Hull on the B'ham Mail website , number 5 is a classic! ???
They couldn't wait to get the knives out for Pepe Mel, but Irvine seems to be totally teflon-coated as far as the Mail is concerned at present, for some reason.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 08, 2014, 04:22:53 AM
They couldn't wait to get the knives out for Pepe Mel, but Irvine seems to be totally teflon-coated as far as the Mail is concerned at present, for some reason.

I may be totally wrong; but maybe Downing/Kiely/Brunt/Olsson etc felt threatened by Mel's change of approach.

Maybe they all knew to stay in a job they would need him gone.

Conspiracy yes, but maybe something along these lines?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 08, 2014, 04:24:56 AM
I may be totally wrong; but maybe Downing/Kiely/Brunt/Olsson etc felt threatened by Mel's change of approach.

Maybe they all knew to stay in a job they would need him gone.

Conspiracy yes, but maybe something along these lines?

I'm sure Mel praised Downing and Kiely and said they helped him a lot.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 08, 2014, 04:44:10 AM
I think he is going to turn it around and I also think we will beat Villa.
And you base this optimism on what? Please do tell as we could all do with a ray of hope !! Personally i can see nothing on the horizon that encourages me, just watch any game in the prem and see how much quicker EVERY other team plays compared with our pedestrians.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 08, 2014, 05:21:41 AM
It isn't just the local press that aren't drawing the knives on Irvine but from what I have read and seen, the national coverage is not creating as huge a drama out of the situation as our own supporters are. Take the emotions and expectations away and there is less hysteria ..... plus no one outside our fan basegives a monkeys!   :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 08, 2014, 05:36:32 AM
I honestly don’t think he is as bad as some people say he is, however it is clear he has almost zero support from the fans. His position will become untenable sooner or later.
As for those who keep harping on about Pepe Mel, the man was inept and lived in a fantasy land.
Step forward Dingle Keith and Dave Jones.

Yes and Pepe Mel had Zero support from the chairman and the rotten click of players and coaches at this club, players and coaches that have failed for years now, and he kept us up and Irvine has had more financial backing than any other head coach in the history of this club and can you honestly see him keeping us up by trying to grind out 0-0 results every game.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on December 08, 2014, 06:23:12 AM
Southampton had four players in the box against utd, when going forward. Do we have four players in the box
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 08, 2014, 07:27:37 AM
It isn't just the local press that aren't drawing the knives on Irvine but from what I have read and seen, the national coverage is not creating as huge a drama out of the situation as our own supporters are. Take the emotions and expectations away and there is less hysteria ..... plus no one outside our fan basegives a monkeys!   :-X

good job we do as albion fans
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 08, 2014, 07:42:46 AM
It isn't just the local press that aren't drawing the knives on Irvine but from what I have read and seen, the national coverage is not creating as huge a drama out of the situation as our own supporters are.
The national media were appalled when Steve Clarke was sacked, but many Albion fans thought his time was up. Irvine showed nothing at Sheff Wed and Preston and, unsurprisingly, has shown nothing here either, so you'd expect there to be little surprise if he went, but I'm sure the national media would all be nonplussed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on December 08, 2014, 07:44:10 AM
I think they only reason Downing didnt take the job last year was because I think deep down he knows hes comfortable in his current role. He has seen 'head coaches' come and go yet he has remained in a job.

If he moved up to take the Head Coach role and failed, he would be out of a job. At present hes comfortable and earning money.
I see no reason or evidence to suggest that a single word in your post is false! I have had the same exact feelings since he expressed he had no interest in taking the job on a permanent basis! Both he and Kiely have job security in their current positions and make a nice living no matter how good or bad the team performs! In my opinion these two are the problem, and for me it is the mystery of the century why JP keeps them around, I just can't wrap my head around it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 08, 2014, 07:48:10 AM
Southampton had four players in the box against utd, when going forward. Do we have four players in the box

We dont have 4 in there half let alone the box :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 08, 2014, 07:52:20 AM
I see no reason or evidence to suggest that a single word in your post is false! I have had the same exact feelings since he expressed he had no interest in taking the job on a permanent basis! Both he and Kiely have job security in their current positions and make a nice living no matter how good or bad the team performs! In my opinion these two are the problem, and for me it is the mystery of the century why JP keeps them around, I just can't wrap my head around it.
If i remember correctly Downing did not want to be considered for the job mainly because of Mcdonough was pulling strings behind the scenes , he wasn't all of Clarke's downfall but i believe he was a big factor (Clarke knew nothing of Lugano signing for one instance ). As i posted earlier I'd be happy to have Downing back in charge for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 08, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
Is anyone else getting worried about the Alan Pardew effect?......the fact that all the NUFC fans were calling for his head, but their chairman ignored them. Now look at them a few weeks later. Is JP going to hope for the same change of fortune with us?
I'm dreading the villa game, they're all really up for it, the fans and players.
That has crossed my mind but Pardew has a good record at nearly all his clubs , I'm afraid our Alan has nothing like that. My worry is as JP was involved in appointing Irvine he won't pull the trigger very quick , on one hand he put a lot of faith in Irvine and on the other the football's dire and results aren't great....the question is how long will he wait and will they be using this time to size up other Manager's/ HC's ? . I'm beginning to think even defeat to Villa wouldn't see the back of him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on December 08, 2014, 08:03:58 AM
We are told he is a good coach but I've not seen anything to prove this yet!
Can he get players fit? Apparently not, even after having them for 4 or 5 months.
Can he coach them into better players? Nah, Brunt Morrison Dorrans etc are no better now than last season.
Is tactics a coaching skill? That's not happening
So if we lose to the Vile are we all agreed that its Taxi for Mr Irvine?

Agreed. And for those saying "Look how Pardew turned it around" at least he has shown the ability to do this in past seasons. At every club he's been at Irvine has never shown that which is why I don't hold much confidence in him at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 08, 2014, 08:27:58 AM
We keep being told results not performances are what we should be looking at.
Agreed 6 points from 8 home games.
We are in the mire if he stays never mind bored to death.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2014, 08:45:17 AM
Lets face it, the guy is a jumped up PE teacher. No tactical nous, can't cope under pressure, Saturday will be one of our lowest days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 08, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
Irvine honestly reminds me of one of my old Sunday League managers who never really knew what he was doing and clearly wasn't all that knowledgeable about football. Except I genuinely believe he was slightly less incompetent.

Tactically, Downing was even worse during the games he took caretaker charge of last year. Playing Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker is particularly memorable.

Amazing to think they're coaching a Premier League team worth in excess of £60m. Then there's Dean Kiely who, going off his Twitter account, struggles to string a coherent sentence together.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2014, 08:56:18 AM
People need to get used to the fact he's not going anytime soon. I imagine we'll continue going along round about a point a game which is not bad enough to sack him and by all accounts the players seem to like him a lot.

You can point to RDM, Clarke and Mel but the fact remains the first two of those had a season behind them in the first place and had started the season with relatively stable conditions, and Mel didn't have the players onside so he was clearly never going to stay.

To sack a manager 4 months into their job would be very damning on everyone involved in the process and make a real sham of the apparent diligence put into appointments. They used McDonough as a scapegoat for the Mel appointment but with Burton here, well this ones going to the bitter end. I'm sure the club are also well aware there would be virtually no interest in the job - we didn't go nearly getting Dave Jones last January and Irvine in June for the fun of it.

The only way Irvine's getting sacked is if we either get cut completely adrift (which is pretty unlikely to happen), or we get relegated. Having finished 17th last season with 36 points, they'll point out that staying up will be a success story for this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 08, 2014, 08:59:31 AM
People need to get used to the fact he's not going anytime soon. I imagine we'll continue going along round about a point a game which is not bad enough to sack him and by all accounts the players seem to like him a lot.

You can point to RDM, Clarke and Mel but the fact remains the first two of those had a season behind them in the first place and had started the season with relatively stable conditions, and Mel didn't have the players onside so he was clearly never going to stay.

To sack a manager 4 months into their job would be very damning on everyone involved in the process and make a real sham of the apparent diligence put into appointments. They used McDonough as a scapegoat for the Mel appointment but with Burton here, well this ones going to the bitter end.

The only way Irvine's getting sacked is if we either get cut completely adrift (which is pretty unlikely to happen), or we get relegated. Having finished 17th last season with 36 points, they'll point out that staying up will be a success story for this season.
He'll go when we lose to Villa on Saturday. Peace isn't stupid enough to put a £60m at stake. Nor, I suspect, will he be comfortable with writing off his investments- Ideye, Gamboa, Blanco and Varela- as Irvine is in the process of doing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
He'll go when we lose to Villa on Saturday. Peace isn't stupid enough to put a £60m at stake. Nor, I suspect, will he be comfortable with writing off his investments- Ideye, Gamboa, Blanco and Varela- as Irvine is in the process of doing.

I really can't see it, sack him and get who? I'm sure he's well aware of the trouble the club has in getting managers. It's all well and good saying "anyones better" but Downing I would say would be by far and away the favourite if we got rid of Irvine.

The fact remains the club entrenched its footballing structure over the summer, appointing Burton, Irvine is as far removed from a traditional manager in his role as your likely to get, Mervyn Day came in to recruitment, Downing and Kiely remained integral to the staff. It's all well and good saying this should change, but it won't, the club for whatever reason views this as the way to go. Consider that we couldn't find anyone in the summer and had to come begging to Irvine for the job, getting a new head coach will take an extrmely long time. The club won't want to go through the farce of the busiest time of the season without a head coach again.

Those players aren't really much in the way of investments either, Blanco and Gamboa were what? 2m? That's nothing in the premier league these days. Even for a club like us. Varela's a loan. Brown's the only significant expense there, and even then he's been kept out the team by a guy who was in the last England squad and a striker we paid 6m for last season. He's also looked absolutely shocking in virtually every performance so far.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 08, 2014, 09:17:25 AM
I really can't see it, sack him and get who? I'm sure he's well aware of the trouble the club has in getting managers. It's all well and good saying "anyones better" but Downing I would say would be by far and away the favourite if we got rid of Irvine.

The fact remains the club entrenched its footballing structure over the summer, appointing Burton, Irvine is as far removed from a traditional manager in his role as your likely to get, Mervyn Day came in to recruitment, Downing and Kiely remained integral to the staff. It's all well and good saying this should change, but it won't, the club for whatever reason views this as the way to go. Consider that we couldn't find anyone in the summer and had to come begging to Irvine for the job, getting a new head coach will take an extrmely long time. The club won't want to go through the farce of the busiest time of the season without a head coach again.

Those players aren't really much in the way of investments either, Blanco and Gamboa were what? 2m? That's nothing in the premier league these days. Even for a club like us. Varela's a loan. Brown's the only significant expense there, and even then he's been kept out the team by a guy who was in the last England squad and a striker we paid 6m for last season. He's also looked absolutely shocking in virtually every performance so far.
What performances are these , we've barely seen him and unfair to judge him on a few minutes now and then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2014, 09:20:33 AM
Virtually every minute he's been on the pitch....

It's getting a bit ridiculous to criticise Irvine for not starting him, when he's brief performances have been so bad. Berahino stated the season on fire and Anichebe does at least do something on occassion. Brown looks well out his depth. If he can't control the ball, or do, well anything in the brief minutes he's getting on the pitch, what exactly is the justification for starting him? Getting marked out the game by Bournemouth's 18 year old debutant and whoever Oxford had at centre back hardly demanded his place in the side.

You don't pick the team based on price tags. If he's not doing better than Berahino or Anichebe in matches (he hasn't) or in training (who know's), then what exactly is the justification for starting him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 08, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Irvine honestly reminds me of one of my old Sunday League managers who never really knew what he was doing and clearly wasn't all that knowledgeable about football. Except I genuinely believe he was slightly less incompetent.

Tactically, Downing was even worse during the games he took caretaker charge of last year. Playing Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker is particularly memorable.

Amazing to think they're coaching a Premier League team worth in excess of £60m. Then there's Dean Kiely who, going off his Twitter account, struggles to string a coherent sentence together.

Irvine is clearly extremely knowledgeable about football, whether you think he's good enough to be our head coach is a different matter.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 08, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
Virtually every minute he's been on the pitch....

It's getting a bit ridiculous to criticise Irvine for not starting him, when he's brief performances have been so bad. Berahino stated the season on fire and Anichebe does at least do something on occassion. Brown looks well out his depth. If he can't control the ball, or do, well anything in the brief minutes he's getting on the pitch, what exactly is the justification for starting him? Getting marked out the game by Bournemouth's 18 year old debutant and whoever Oxford had at centre back hardly demanded his place in the side.

You don't pick the team based on price tags. If he's not doing better than Berahino or Anichebe in matches (he hasn't) or in training (who know's), then what exactly is the justification for starting him?
same justification as starting wisdom who's poor, double standards by Irvine, he's always looking  for an excuse not play certain players. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MulumbuPower! on December 08, 2014, 10:03:55 AM
Irvine still has my support. Admittedly the last game I've seen was Newcastle a few weeks ago - I took a few mates to the game and I was embarrassed. Irvine could have made subs earlier, could have changed the formation (issues that at many also had with Hodgson)... etc. but I was upset with the players. Mistake after mistake. For the past few seasons I'm convinced that their not fit. A few long term issues I've noticed....

- Morrison has seen a terrible fall plummet of form from the Hodgson/early Clarke days.
- Mulumbu no longer has the 'fight' in him we witnessed form his first 2 seasons in the prem. A lack of big clubs coming in or him (as rumoured by his agent/ national press) and the Anelka situation seem to have taken its toll on his desire.
- We are desperately missing Odemwingie. I was praying that Ideye was the answer but he purchase raises more questions than answers.

None of our managers since Hodgson can't seem to motivate the players. I would rather criticise them than Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 08, 2014, 04:52:45 PM
same justification as starting wisdom who's poor, double standards by Irvine, he's always looking  for an excuse not play certain players.
If Wisdom is so poor (which he actually isn't) it may say something about his back up?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: collins101 on December 08, 2014, 06:17:12 PM
I don't actually think Wisdom is that bad defensively it's the attacking part of his game which lets him down. I think that tells you what kind of coach Alan Irvine is though, defend first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 08, 2014, 06:47:37 PM
If Wisdom is so poor (which he actually isn't) it may say something about his back up?

My personal opinion of Wisdom is that he'd make a fantastic centre back. Centre back. Centre back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 08, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
My personal opinion of Wisdom is that he'd make a fantastic centre back. Centre back. Centre back.

Spot on, he's not a right back by any means, maybe in years gone by, but not in the modern game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 08, 2014, 06:51:44 PM
My personal opinion of Wisdom is that he'd make a fantastic centre back. Centre back. Centre back.

Centre back is his prefered role. Think it shows as when hes defending at RB hes pretty solid, just seems a bit 'clueless' when going forward.

Thats nothing against Wisdom as I said, he is a centre back. I still believe a right side of him and Gamboa infront of him would work very well but thats for a different topic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 08, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
Centre back is his prefered role. Think it shows as when hes defending at RB hes pretty solid, just seems a bit 'clueless' when going forward.

Thats nothing against Wisdom as I said, he is a centre back. I still believe a right side of him and Gamboa infront of him would work very well but thats for a different topic.

Still don't see this amazing defensive side to him, got absolutely skinned by Santi Corzola.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 08, 2014, 07:20:37 PM
the problem is if Irvine goes (not saying he should stay) then who do we replace him with ?

listening to talksport yesterday afternoon they had Geoff Cameron on and he said a few things about when Pulis was manager at Stoke about just lumping it forward and hoping for the best (being a corner or a throw in) that they could then maybe score from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 08, 2014, 07:23:34 PM
Slightly off topic but I agree with these sentiments regarding the local press.  The Mail’s replacements have been poor, it seems unclear whether Dick and Howell are just temporary replacements or if they are now indeed the permanent Albion reporters, but neither seems to have a thorough understanding of the club.  Howell’s articles seem to simply revolve around “5 things we learnt” and there also seems to be far too many articles based on fans tweets.  Dick at times seems to be completely out of whack with what is happening on the pitch, he awarded Mulumbu a MOM a month or so ago in a game in which he was very poor in.  I think he traditionally specialises in rugby reporting rather than football.

I also think Madeley has gone off the boil at the E&S since CL has departed, I think he is quite an under rated journo on this patch but it seems CL’s presence was keeping him on his toes somewhat and now that he has departed Madeley's own reporting and interaction with supporters has declined.

totally agree with this, CL was head and shoulders the better reporter for the albion during his time.
Madeley's reporting has taken a huge dip since CL moved from the mail to the albion, a lot of his pieces now don't really say much just gossip.
as for the two from the mail, Howell is quite funny on twitter but agree with what you put about him and the other one before him was useless
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 08, 2014, 07:49:59 PM
Still don't see this amazing defensive side to him, got absolutely skinned by Santi Corzola.
Me neither, he is so slow and laboured at times and gets caught ball watching too often.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 08, 2014, 07:52:32 PM
Wisdom is absolutely terrible. I honestly think the only reason Irvine doesn't play Gamboa over him is because he'll get forward which obviously makes us slightly more vulnerable defensively (though if we played Mulumbu and Yacob as defensive midfielders then one could shift across to cover). Its a real shame, because Gamboa is actually our player whereas Wisdom wont be here next season.

I also really don't buy the idea that these players are apparently so awful in training and that's why they don't play on match day. We've had that excuse before with Dorrans under Clarke. When Mel came in he ended the season brilliantly. Equally, Steve Madeley said he had sources describing Varela as "not good enough". This seems so unlikely given his pedigree and the fact he looked our best player when he came on against West Ham. It seems more likely to me that Irvine simply doesn't trust these players because they're not the predictable, domestic-based players that he can coach the creativity out of. Its such a shame because I honestly believe these players, if played, could make us into a really exciting attacking team (Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa, Varela). That's something we're obviously never going to see under the ultra cautious Irvine.

The reason I think that Peace could well sack him, along with Downing and Kiely is that Peace has recently shown a willing to make drastic changes if he deems them necessary, e.g. by sacking Mel against the vast majority of fans wishes, bringing in Irvine despite knowing there'd be a fans backlash, and committing to the signing of eleven new players, while openly taking the blame for last season. I think if he sees the same thing happening this season, he won't delay reacting.

In terms of replacements, if Peace were to make the necessary changes, i.e. allowing the new man to bring in his own coaching team (leading to the departure of Downing and Kiely) and paying compensation if needed, we could attract top, top managers. A job in the best league in world football is always going to appeal to the best managers. Personally, I think Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino would be good appointments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 08, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
Me neither, he is so slow and laboured at times and gets caught ball watching too often.

Pretty sure he's been at fault for a few goals, slow picking up the man from crosses and gets caught out ball watching
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 08, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
Wisdom is absolutely terrible. I honestly think the only reason Irvine doesn't play Gamboa over him is because he'll get forward which obviously makes us slightly more vulnerable defensively (though if we played Mulumbu and Yacob as defensive midfielders then one could shift across to cover). Its a real shame, because Gamboa is actually our player whereas Wisdom wont be here next season.

I also really don't buy the idea that these players are apparently so awful in training and that's why they don't play on match day. We've had that excuse before with Dorrans under Clarke. When Mel came in he ended the season brilliantly. Equally, Steve Madeley said he had sources describing Varela as "not good enough". This seems so unlikely given his pedigree and the fact he looked our best player when he came on against West Ham. It seems more likely to me that Irvine simply doesn't trust these players because they're not the predictable, domestic-based players that he can coach the creativity out of. Its such a shame because I honestly believe these players, if played, could make us into a really exciting attacking team (Blanco, Ideye, Gamboa, Varela). That's something we're obviously never going to see under the ultra cautious Irvine.

The reason I think he could well be sacked, along with Downing and Kiely is that Peace has recently shown a willing to make drastic changes if he deems them necessary, e.g by sacking Mel against the vast majority of fans wishes, bringing in Irvine despite knowing there'd be a fans backlash, and committing to the signing of eleven new players, while openly taking the blame for last season. I think if he sees the same thing happening this season, he won't delay reacting.
Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2014, 08:20:23 PM
JP will react not because of any altruistic notion, but because he has to protect his business / income. 
(I nearly said his investment, silly me  :D )
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 08, 2014, 10:28:38 PM
If Wisdom is so poor (which he actually isn't) it may say something about his back up?
you mean the bloke who played all the world cup games for his country and looked awfull and clearly second best to wisdom. how will we know how good he is if he isn't given a game, wisdom was poor against west ham and should have been dropped giving gamboa a game at hull.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 08, 2014, 10:31:31 PM
you mean the bloke who played all the world cup games for his country and looked awfull and clearly second best to wisdom. how will we know how good he is if he isn't given a game, wisdom was poor against west ham and should have been dropped giving gamboa a game at hull.

Quite right. Dawson was up and down against West Ham and he was taken out of the firing line.

Something in his loan conditions perhaps?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 08, 2014, 10:38:53 PM
Quite right. Dawson was up and down against West Ham and he was taken out of the firing line.

Something in his loan conditions perhaps?

I agree it may be part of the loan agreement that he plays .
its stupid that we are developing another clubs player whilst we have an international sitting on his backside.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on December 08, 2014, 10:53:25 PM
Quite right. Dawson was up and down against West Ham and he was taken out of the firing line.

Something in his loan conditions perhaps?
I'm sure I read somewhere that Liverpool have a standard condition with loans that the player has to appear in 75% of the games for which he is eligible, or a financial penalty has to be paid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 08, 2014, 11:59:26 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that Liverpool have a standard condition with loans that the player has to appear in 75% of the games for which he is eligible, or a financial penalty has to be paid

I cannot see any club, not even us, accepting such a stringent condition.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 09, 2014, 12:58:15 AM
You don't see them in training. They're not fit. In Alan we trust?
I trust Alan Irvine, Keith Downing and Dean Kiely far more than I trust footballers with Champions League level pedigree.

If you compare their CV's the only logical conclusion I could come to is that Alan Irvine is a good judge of flair players, uses his squad to the best of its ability, is a solid tactician, and that these players just aren't up to standard.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 01:01:43 AM
and i've got a telescope and sky-watchers badge so I'm a better astro-physicist  than that Hawkins bloke!  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 09, 2014, 06:43:47 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11282684/Premier-League-managers-are-now-little-more-than-lightning-rods-for-owners-and-punchbags-for-fans.html

Interesting article, although no reference to Alan Irvine. No one cares outside the Midlands.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 09, 2014, 06:45:48 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11282684/Premier-League-managers-are-now-little-more-than-lightning-rods-for-owners-and-punchbags-for-fans.html

Interesting article, although no reference to Alan Irvine. No one cares outside the Midlands.

You think Irvine is doing a tremendous job; we get it. Some of us don't sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 09, 2014, 07:07:44 AM
You think Irvine is doing a tremendous job; we get it. Some of us don't sadly.
You don't know what I think of Irvine.  You know what I think about some of our support and the treatment of our head coach.  You also know that I will provide balance with evidence to some of the statements of fact that get put on here and point out the hypocrisy of some of the posters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 09, 2014, 07:18:03 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere that Liverpool have a standard condition with loans that the player has to appear in 75% of the games for which he is eligible, or a financial penalty has to be paid
It was probably on here.   :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 09, 2014, 07:36:29 AM
I think we should all lay off AI until saturday night and get behind the lads against the real enermy:



http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/12/9/7361311/annoying-fans-and-stupid-name-why-i-hate-west-bromwich-albion?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 09, 2014, 07:38:18 AM
I think we should all lay off AI until saturday night and get behind the lads against the real enermy:



http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/12/9/7361311/annoying-fans-and-stupid-name-why-i-hate-west-bromwich-albion?

Whole topic to discuss those lot here folks

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=57.5575
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 09, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
12 games out of the 15 we have failed to score from open play bit of a disturbing stat hopefully we are saving ourselves for the villa game such a huge match this, Completely took over my mind this week with slight worry but also what a win would do for us and the team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on December 09, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
12 games out of the 15 we have failed to score from open play bit of a disturbing stat hopefully we are saving ourselves for the villa game such a huge match this, Completely took over my mind this week with slight worry but also what a win would do for us and the team.

I've stopped caring completely. There have been times when i've been annoyed and fed up etc. when doing badly but i've never felt like this before. I just couldn't care less anymore.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 09, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11282684/Premier-League-managers-are-now-little-more-than-lightning-rods-for-owners-and-punchbags-for-fans.html

Interesting article, although no reference to Alan Irvine. No one cares outside the Midlands.

This is an interesting article, a sad indictment of humans but the reality is  (I'm afraid), it illustrates the need for a strong figurehead at a premier league club. I'm not saying Pepe Mel was a strong character/ leader (far from it apparently on what happened behind the scenes), however he managed to 'connect' with fans and convince us that the team were progressing in spite of awful results and chaotic tactics! This talent does not seem to be within AI however in an ideal World it shouldn't matter, he should have to look after training, the team, selection - his apparent remit... This simple World does not exist anymore (again I'm afraid) and this is the question we're about to find the answer to - does AI have the character to lead a winning run to prove he can cut it. I think we agree he does not seem to be a leader or a convincing 'figurehead' (perhaps like Pepe Mel). Based on the thousands of opinions on here, facebook, twitter, pubs etc.. our fanbase clearly has no hope of AI displaying these talents. The question is, why aren't the experts in charge of appointing football staff at our club aware of the need today for a strong character/ figurehead/ leader (defintion = someone to connect with the fans, media, raise the club's profile whilst running the football side of things). Perhaps this is the theory behind the coaching structure however, from the outside looking in, the football side all seem to be mates and I'm not sure who is the true leader there? Downing was a tenacious footballer but I wouldn't put him the bracket of Bruce, Alladyce, Pardew (big egos, maybe a bit arrogant). Roy has this prescence, Mowbray connected (similar to Pepe based on philosophy), Di Matteo obviously is a little confident, Clarke, Irvine - similar mould to me and not people I'd want leading me into a tricky situation based on my perception of course!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 09, 2014, 10:03:09 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11282684/Premier-League-managers-are-now-little-more-than-lightning-rods-for-owners-and-punchbags-for-fans.html

Interesting article, although no reference to Alan Irvine. No one cares outside the Midlands.

Not sure why anyone would care outside the Midlands with the exception of Albion fans about anything to do with Alan Irvine. Do you care about Newcastle, Leicester, Sunderland or any other club who's managers are under pressure ? I know I don't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 10, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/)

West Brom players rally round boss Alan Irvine
West Brom’s players have rallied around under-fire boss Alan Irvine as he gears up for a make-or-break derby clash with Aston Villa.

Baggies captain Chris Brunt and summer signing Craig Gardner have joined the growing band of senior squad members to back Irvine, who is facing pressure for his job.

The Scot has been targeted for abuse from Albion fans in the last three matches and his side are winless in five attempts.

Gardner said: “The gaffer has been unbelievable for us. We are working so hard in training. He is there day and night.

"He is a proper man and we all want to do it for him. The way he conducts himself and the way training is – it’s brilliant.

"It’s just unfortunate that the luck just hasn’t quite gone our way in games. In time you will see how the team develop. He is such a good person.”

Irvine’s future at the Hawthorns is in doubt after fans’ furious reaction to his appointment in the summer and a backlash against poor results of late.

They have won just three times in the league this season, but Brunt said: “Everyone will tell you they’re 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a good coach, he leaves no stone unturned.

“We do everything right from Monday to Friday to prepare for the game at the weekend but over the last few weeks the performances on the pitch haven’t been good enough and we haven’t done our jobs properly.

“It must be difficult for the coaching staff to sit there and watch things fall apart sometimes, that’s down to us on the pitch as well.”

“It’s always difficult to lose a few games and with the nature of the Premier League and the way football is at the minute, people start putting pressure on the coach.

"It’s not fair at all – we go out on a Saturday and haven’t been doing our jobs as well as we have been doing, which is why we’re down there.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 10, 2014, 08:31:40 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/)

West Brom players rally round boss Alan Irvine
West Brom’s players have rallied around under-fire boss Alan Irvine as he gears up for a make-or-break derby clash with Aston Villa.

Baggies captain Chris Brunt and summer signing Craig Gardner have joined the growing band of senior squad members to back Irvine, who is facing pressure for his job.

The Scot has been targeted for abuse from Albion fans in the last three matches and his side are winless in five attempts.

Gardner said: “The gaffer has been unbelievable for us. We are working so hard in training. He is there day and night.

"He is a proper man and we all want to do it for him. The way he conducts himself and the way training is – it’s brilliant.

"It’s just unfortunate that the luck just hasn’t quite gone our way in games. In time you will see how the team develop. He is such a good person.”

Irvine’s future at the Hawthorns is in doubt after fans’ furious reaction to his appointment in the summer and a backlash against poor results of late.

They have won just three times in the league this season, but Brunt said: “Everyone will tell you they’re 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a good coach, he leaves no stone unturned.

“We do everything right from Monday to Friday to prepare for the game at the weekend but over the last few weeks the performances on the pitch haven’t been good enough and we haven’t done our jobs properly.

“It must be difficult for the coaching staff to sit there and watch things fall apart sometimes, that’s down to us on the pitch as well.”

“It’s always difficult to lose a few games and with the nature of the Premier League and the way football is at the minute, people start putting pressure on the coach.

"It’s not fair at all – we go out on a Saturday and haven’t been doing our jobs as well as we have been doing, which is why we’re down there.”
Interesting that if the players are so behind him and believe in his methods so much, we still can't get results? Suggests his methods aren't right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 10, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
Interesting that if the players are so behind him and believe in his methods so much, we still can't get results? Suggests his methods aren't right.

They love Downing too, doesn't mean a thing. If they love him so much start playing better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: labaggies on December 10, 2014, 09:06:06 PM

All of this 'we love Irvine' in the local papers is just spin put out by the club.

I suppose it proves that our new public relations department actually exists...

If you have any sense you will realise its just propaganda.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on December 10, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
They love Downing too, doesn't mean a thing. If they love him so much start playing better.

I personally don't have a problem with the players or the staff but I wonder if they are not all misguided.  With reference to the newspaper articles suggesting that managers are being used as scapegoats I also agree.  This should not detract from the fact that we have sacked mananagers coaches who had we have been more patient could have brought more stability or at the very least more excitement to the club. To reiterate I think it is important to  be aware that we have an abundance of riches at our club but I think Mr Peace needs more guidance from people who understand football tactics. My concern is that as others have pointed out the right gaffer for the team might be seen as a threat to the chairman. I just hope a decent compromise can be reached since in many respects it is subtle tweaks rather than wholesale demolition that is required to put us back on track.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 10, 2014, 09:07:52 PM
They love Downing too, doesn't mean a thing. If they love him so much start playing better.
Indeed. And if, hypothetically, we suppose that the players do actually like Irvine, and it isn't just what they've been told to say (which it probably is- they could hardly say they hate the manager), it's fair to assume that would only be because they know they're guaranteed a start under him. That's certainly not healthy either.

Frankly, I'd rather they hated the manager but he had them playing attractive, winning football without having any "favourites".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 10, 2014, 09:16:49 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/)

West Brom players rally round boss Alan Irvine
Personally, I'd prefer it if they just shut up about Irvine. Club propaganda isn't going to help calm these particular stormy waters and I'm disappointed that Messrs Swain and Lepkoswki are seemingly not old enough and/or wise enough to realise this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 10, 2014, 09:22:42 PM
I don't care who at the club loves Irvine and I don't care what journalists or ex professional so called experts think either. He's not good enough, end of story. No amount of propaganda is going to change that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 10, 2014, 09:28:19 PM
Personally, I'd prefer it if they just shut up about Irvine. Club propaganda isn't going to help calm these particular stormy waters and I'm disappointed that Messrs Swain and Lepkoswki are seemingly not old enough and/or wise enough to realise this.
I guess it's something to say - players are unlikely to come out with anything controversial or that interesting in these snippets we get daily. It's a bit like the daily backing of Alastair Cook by whichever England player happens to be doing the press conference that day.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 10, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
Talk is cheap, go and prove it on the pitch where it matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 10, 2014, 09:32:56 PM
What a load of bolloni.Lets just see if the attitude of the players is of that to win a game of football on saturday.
Told you its far to cosy for them, i suspect they got the gas fire on whilst they train
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 10, 2014, 09:51:32 PM
the training must be as casual as the football they play on a match day. No wonder they love him. such an easy life 3 hours a day training 1-2 games per week 40k happy days
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
Indeed. And if, hypothetically, we suppose that the players do actually like Irvine, and it isn't just what they've been told to say (which it probably is- they could hardly say they hate the manager), it's fair to assume that would only be because they know they're guaranteed a start under him. That's certainly not healthy either.

Frankly, I'd rather they hated the manager but he had them playing attractive, winning football without having "favourites".
Exactly.
Lescott, Gardner, Brunt and Foster are the main supporters of Irvine, all of whom are guaranteed starters, it seems.
Mulumbu, Yacob, Ideye, Varela, Gamboa, Sessengon etc. may have a different view.
Two sides to every story.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 10, 2014, 09:54:50 PM
Exactly.
Lescott, Gardner, Brunt and Foster are the main supporters of Irvine, all of whom are guaranteed starters, it seems.
Mulumbu, Yacob, Ideye, Varela, Gamboa, Sessengon etc. may have a different view.
Two sides to every story.

Thats a good point.

When someone like Blanco comes out or Varela and says Irvine is a fantastic coach then I might actually read it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 10, 2014, 09:55:58 PM
'Fiddling while Rome burns' like others have said 'go and do it on the pitch', 'talk is cheap' .

I really find this spin quite insulting - The  'lick spittlers' including the Journos,  have really  put themselves under pressure to perform on Saturday.

Just shut up, perform on Saturday and the rest of the season, that is the only way you will prove to the cynics like me, that they were wrong all along!! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on December 10, 2014, 09:57:53 PM
One win in more than 2 months and that was down to an own goal.
I sometimes think too much attention is paid to how well they train.
I remember Greening was always the best striker in training but that was probably because somebody like Robbo was not scything in with hard tackles.
I saw Blanco play a full game under match conditions in cup and he was arguably man of the match and was within inches of scoring 2 goals yet he can't even make the bench.He may not be good enough but at least give him some pitch time even if only a few minutes.
Things are not working so let us see some experimentation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 10, 2014, 10:14:22 PM
If I had a shop and all my staff loved me and enjoyed coming into a fun time each day, but, sold feck all, I wouldn't have a shop long !

What world are these guys living in?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 10, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
If I had a shop and all my staff loved me and enjoyed coming into a fun time each day, but, sold feck all, I wouldn't have a shop long !

What world are these guys living in?


20,30,40K weekly Thats what world
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 10, 2014, 10:26:05 PM
If the players are playing for him and working hard then we've got half a chance. We just need to get some wins now starting against Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 10, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
If the players are playing for him and working hard then we've got half a chance. We just need to get some wins now starting against Villa.
Thats it what a fantastic chance and how massive would three points be especially against them lot will get hawthorns bouncing again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 10, 2014, 10:37:48 PM
Thats it what a fantastic chance and how massive would three points be especially against them lot will get hawthorns bouncing again.
It would be a temporary distraction from the massive failings of Irvine's methods and our performances. 1 goal from open play in 8 games. 1 point out of 15 from our last 5 games.

Anything other than a loss on Saturday will be papering over the cracks and merely prolonging the inevitable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 10, 2014, 10:38:01 PM
If they're doing the right thing Monday to Friday and if what the players say about Irvine is true then the people in the starting 11 need to change. That brings us back to Irvine....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 10, 2014, 10:38:32 PM
A win against Villa on saturday with a good performance would buy AI alot more time in my opinion.

Lets see how we all feel at 5.30pm Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 10, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
the training must be as casual as the football they play on a match day. No wonder they love him. such an easy life 3 hours a day training 1-2 games per week 40k happy days

I saw Dean Keily shopping at the Bull Ring yesterday at around 12.00. Either an early finish or a day off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 10, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Interesting that if the players are so behind him and believe in his methods so much, we still can't get results? Suggests his methods aren't right.

It also suggests that the players he is picking are not good enough to carry out his instructions either. I don't really buy into the fact we have a great squad here. It has massive holes still.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 10, 2014, 11:22:07 PM
It also suggests that the players he is picking are not good enough to carry out his instructions either. I don't really buy into the fact we have a great squad here. It has massive holes still.
I think we have a squad that belies our position in the table. Unfortunately, many of our best players aren't being played (Varela, Ideye, Blanco, Gamboa), but the likes of Baird and Anichebe are instead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 11, 2014, 12:23:11 AM
A win against Villa on saturday with a good performance would buy AI alot more time in my opinion.

Lets see how we all feel at 5.30pm Saturday evening.

Agree 100%. For all the negativity over the last few weeks, 3 points against Villa and the whole mood will change (at least in the short term!).

However, another defeat and JP will have a decision to make as I would imagine the atmosphere will be toxic to say the least!


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 11, 2014, 12:25:45 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/12/11/west-brom-players-rally-round-alan-irvine/)

West Brom players rally round boss Alan Irvine
West Brom’s players have rallied around under-fire boss Alan Irvine as he gears up for a make-or-break derby clash with Aston Villa.

Baggies captain Chris Brunt and summer signing Craig Gardner have joined the growing band of senior squad members to back Irvine, who is facing pressure for his job.

The Scot has been targeted for abuse from Albion fans in the last three matches and his side are winless in five attempts.

Gardner said: “The gaffer has been unbelievable for us. We are working so hard in training. He is there day and night.

"He is a proper man and we all want to do it for him. The way he conducts himself and the way training is – it’s brilliant.

"It’s just unfortunate that the luck just hasn’t quite gone our way in games. In time you will see how the team develop. He is such a good person.”

Irvine’s future at the Hawthorns is in doubt after fans’ furious reaction to his appointment in the summer and a backlash against poor results of late.

They have won just three times in the league this season, but Brunt said: “Everyone will tell you they’re 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a good coach, he leaves no stone unturned.

“We do everything right from Monday to Friday to prepare for the game at the weekend but over the last few weeks the performances on the pitch haven’t been good enough and we haven’t done our jobs properly.

“It must be difficult for the coaching staff to sit there and watch things fall apart sometimes, that’s down to us on the pitch as well.”

“It’s always difficult to lose a few games and with the nature of the Premier League and the way football is at the minute, people start putting pressure on the coach.

"It’s not fair at all – we go out on a Saturday and haven’t been doing our jobs as well as we have been doing, which is why we’re down there.”
try doing everything right Monday - Saturday not Monday to Friday, and we may win a game now and then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on December 11, 2014, 12:50:20 AM
The usual dribble from the players in the backing for the manager i wonder if they will say that if the club is relegated. They will jump ship with no hesitation if we end up in the championship and with results and performances under AI i wonder if its the old backing before a sacking. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 11, 2014, 01:41:35 AM
I saw Dean Keily shopping at the Bull Ring yesterday at around 12.00. Either an early finish or a day off.
wednesday is usually a day off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 11, 2014, 04:20:50 AM
I
wednesday is usually a day off
I don't know about Wednesday off, a good old fashioned dose of being dragged in on a Sunday for extra training wouldn't go amiss
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 11, 2014, 04:40:18 AM
II don't know about Wednesday off, a good old fashioned dose of being dragged in on a Sunday for extra training wouldn't go amiss

Don't be silly that would  upset the clique' !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 11, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
We all like to muse of the 'clique' but does anyone have an real inside knowledge of whom is in this clique ?  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 11, 2014, 05:19:54 AM
We all like to muse of the 'clique' but does anyone have an real inside knowledge of whom is in this clique ?  :o

There is so much projection and speculation going on. It was more than a bit bizarre to realize that the fans loved Pepe Mel but the players didn't take to him at all.

The fact is us fans have no real insight into the inner workings of the club. The club prefers it that way and works hard to keep a facade of perfection to the outside world, including us fans. Even journalists have been co-opted for this purpose nowadays.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 11, 2014, 05:37:23 AM
The players have come out to support Irvine exactly like they did with Clarke and exactly like Downing.

Funny that none of come out when Mel was here.

They like Irvine because he gets on well with Downing and is one of the lads.

I'm convinced mel saw this and hence why they went against him.

In someways I think relegation would be a good thing to get rid of the boys club.

If we're going to change the head coach for me Downing and kiely need to go aswell!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 11, 2014, 05:58:56 AM
Personally I just want 'my Albion' back. Not this squalid, dour, negative football.

Irvine simply must go - along with he whole back room staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 11, 2014, 06:13:43 AM
He's such a nice man the players say, he doesn't kick our backsides when we regularly fail to play well. Far too comfortable I'm afraid and this is a major part of the problems at the club.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on December 11, 2014, 06:23:04 AM
I think we have a squad that belies our position in the table. Unfortunately, many of our best players aren't being played (Varela, Ideye, Blanco, Gamboa), but the likes of Baird and Anichebe are instead.
how can you possibly say our best players aren't playing? How do you know they are our best player's have you seen them play more often than the rest of us or have you got inside information?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 11, 2014, 06:32:40 AM
how can you possibly say our best players aren't playing? How do you know they are our best player's have you seen them play more often than the rest of us or have you got inside information?
Firstly, I said MANY OF our our best players. I would include Lescott, Foster - and when on form - Mulumbu, Yacob, Sessegnon and Berahino in that too. I've based that on their pedigree and the occasions I've seen them play before they signed for us. It's up to you whether you trust me (I watch a lot of the foreign leagues), but in my opinion Varela, Ideye, Blanco and Gamboa are four of our most talented players. It's such a huge waste of talent and will be an absolute travesty and a massive shame if they continue not to play and leave this club without being given a fair chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 11, 2014, 06:36:27 AM
how can you possibly say our best players aren't playing? How do you know they are our best player's have you seen them play more often than the rest of us or have you got inside information?

Well, if our best players ARE playing, we are in one hell of a bad place
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbafc68 on December 11, 2014, 06:41:05 AM
Regardless of my opinion of the quality of our football, and  I have had the pleasure of watching the 3 degrees , nor my thoughts on Mr Irvine, I am starting to feel a little uneasy at the level of vitriol that is starting to surface. Its like seeing that kid in the playground who you know is the one everyone will pick on and then seeing the feeding frenzy of bullying start to build. Bottom line is he knows, JP knows and we know that more than ever it is a results and money driven business. He knew that when he took the job and he will accept it should he fail. Until then why not support our players and our club. What will be will be . Opinions are what forums are about so I accept everyone has a right to one. But lets at least be constructive and not just pick on the individual for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 11, 2014, 06:52:13 AM
Regardless of my opinion of the quality of our football, and  I have had the pleasure of watching the 3 degrees , nor my thoughts on Mr Irvine, I am starting to feel a little uneasy at the level of vitriol that is starting to surface. Its like seeing that kid in the playground who you know is the one everyone will pick on and then seeing the feeding frenzy of bullying start to build. Bottom line is he knows, JP knows and we know that more than ever it is a results and money driven business. He knew that when he took the job and he will accept it should he fail. Until then why not support our players and our club. What will be will be . Opinions are what forums are about so I accept everyone has a right to one. But lets at least be constructive and not just pick on the individual for the sake of it.

Thats the second excellent post of yours today matey, I like the cut of your jib  ;)

EDIT: don't expect all to 'get it'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 11, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
Firstly, I said MANY OF our our best players. I would include Lescott, Foster - and when on form - Mulumbu, Yacob, Sessegnon and Berahino in that too. I've based that on their pedigree and the occasions I've seen them play before they signed for us. It's up to you whether you trust me (I watch a lot of the foreign leagues), but in my opinion Varela, Ideye, Blanco and Gamboa are four of our most talented players. It's such a huge waste of talent and will be an absolute travesty and a massive shame if they continue not to play and leave this club without being given a fair chance.
What channel do you find the Ukranian Premier League on?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 11, 2014, 07:00:16 AM
Regardless of my opinion of the quality of our football, and  I have had the pleasure of watching the 3 degrees , nor my thoughts on Mr Irvine, I am starting to feel a little uneasy at the level of vitriol that is starting to surface. Its like seeing that kid in the playground who you know is the one everyone will pick on and then seeing the feeding frenzy of bullying start to build. Bottom line is he knows, JP knows and we know that more than ever it is a results and money driven business. He knew that when he took the job and he will accept it should he fail. Until then why not support our players and our club. What will be will be . Opinions are what forums are about so I accept everyone has a right to one. But lets at least be constructive and not just pick on the individual for the sake of it.

I don't think people are picking on Irvine for the sake of it. There is a reason people are criticizing Irvine and that is to express a basic disagreement with his approach.

I said a few weeks ago that if Irvine doesn't go soon things will turn really ugly. People are fed up with rubbish football. This frustration will be expressed sooner or later, for now it is mostly expressed privately between fans and on forums like this one. But that will change soon.

As you say Irvine knew what he was taking on when he accepted the job. It is not his fault he plays negative football, it is simply the way he sees the game. But, Irvine's style of football is pretty much the last thing the fans want to see. There is obviously a huge conflict built into this situation. Fans cannot pretend to be enthusiastic when they have nothing to be enthusiastic about, this is the crux of the matter.  Where is the pride in surviving in the Prem, playing rubbish football, just to keep the players and club in the money? Where is the deal for the fans?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 11, 2014, 07:18:10 AM
What channel do you find the Ukranian Premier League on?
Online. If you go back about ten pages or go through my post history I've had this exact same conversation with you or someone else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 11, 2014, 07:21:59 AM
I don't care much for the club PR exercise over Irvine , the results are rubbish and the performances worse.
They knew how unpopular he would be , 95% of us have given him a fair chance yet nothing improves enough and many are starting to vote with their feet. I don't want us to be known as a sacking club but this just hasn't worked out , thinking outside the box didn't work this time JP. Act soon before it's too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 11, 2014, 07:31:06 AM
I don't think people are picking on Irvine for the sake of it. There is a reason people are criticizing Irvine and that is to express a basic disagreement with his approach.

I said a few weeks ago that if Irvine doesn't go soon things will turn really ugly. People are fed up with rubbish football. This frustration will be expressed sooner or later, for now it is mostly expressed privately between fans and on forums like this one. But that will change soon.

As you say Irvine knew what he was taking on when he accepted the job. It is not his fault he plays negative football, it is simply the way he sees the game. But, Irvine's style of football is pretty much the last thing the fans want to see. There is obviously a huge conflict built into this situation. Fans cannot pretend to be enthusiastic when they have nothing to be enthusiastic about, this is the crux of the matter.  Where is the pride in surviving in the Prem, playing rubbish football, just to keep the players and club in the money? Where is the deal for the fans?

Sums up my feelings better than I could have summed them up myself. Spot on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on December 11, 2014, 07:31:39 AM
I also find bullying extremely distasteful to say the least, it highlights the very worst side of human nature.  For me, I  find something extremely odd about the whole situation where the clear out of players and the bringing in of fresh faces seems to completely contradict what is required for the coaching staff's style of play. It is like the Mel situation in reverse?? It seems disjointed to the point of being surreal - to use the vernacular it's like someone can't tell their ar$e from their elbow. Perhaps some people need to sit around a table and clarify what is going on before appointing the people to carry it out. Maybe once everyone understands their job description it will be easier to see when things are going wrong?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbafc68 on December 11, 2014, 08:10:49 AM
Think you are getting very close to the key to the problem. We may have a very astute Chairman jn respect of finance and investment. I don,t know his history of employing and or managing groups of employees. I suspect he may not understand the strategy and management and direction of people. It seems to me there was some knee jerk actions at the point of demise of Pepe Mel. Again, I don't know whether he was the right appointment, we never will but I suspect JP couldn't get Pepe to accept his terms even though he was confident he would and Pepe walked. JP then panicked a little got back into his day to day involvement and instigated the turnover of playing staff. realising he now had a very difficult situation for someone to inherit he naively selected someone from his memory bank of interviewees who might be desperate to have a last chance at management. This is a situation many business managers get into when they need to fill a post quickly.... ,who do I know who I can get in quickly?.....Added to this he insisted on keeping existing staff to keep an  eye on his investment something any applicant worth his salt would not accept. I think AI is the biggest Patsy since Lee Harvey Oswald . I have sympathy for him and feel questions need asking elsewhere
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on December 11, 2014, 08:46:53 AM
Thanks  :) that scenario  certainly makes sense to me,  which would suggest that Mr Irvine was only ever going to be a stop-gap...? This of course leaves me wondering who might be being lined up - and whether Mr Peace has really learnt his lesson.  It is funny how a little clarity helps  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 11, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
Call me childish but the current survey/poll looks a bit funny  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 11, 2014, 09:56:42 AM
Call me childish but the current survey/poll looks a bit funny  :o

Heh, yeah I've been thinking the same thing for a long time... but then again I am childish :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 11, 2014, 11:04:14 AM
Heh, yeah I've been thinking the same thing for a long time... but then again I am childish :)

Doubles as a statistical and visual representation of our thoughts on Irvine  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 11, 2014, 03:53:15 PM
I don't think people are picking on Irvine for the sake of it. There is a reason people are criticizing Irvine and that is to express a basic disagreement with his approach.

I said a few weeks ago that if Irvine doesn't go soon things will turn really ugly. People are fed up with rubbish football. This frustration will be expressed sooner or later, for now it is mostly expressed privately between fans and on forums like this one. But that will change soon.

As you say Irvine knew what he was taking on when he accepted the job. It is not his fault he plays negative football, it is simply the way he sees the game. But, Irvine's style of football is pretty much the last thing the fans want to see. There is obviously a huge conflict built into this situation. Fans cannot pretend to be enthusiastic when they have nothing to be enthusiastic about, this is the crux of the matter.  Where is the pride in surviving in the Prem, playing rubbish football, just to keep the players and club in the money? Where is the deal for the fans?

My thoughts exactly, of course, we could all be wrong, this could just be a phase before the team delivers results, but when we produce so little threat, its hard to see that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 11, 2014, 06:36:19 PM
Fail to beat the vile tomorrow convincingly and hes got to go, same weekend another boring scot got the boot exactly one year ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 11, 2014, 06:37:23 PM
Fail to beat the vile tomorrow convincingly and hes got to go, same weekend another boring scot got the boot exactly one year ago.

Not sure about convincingly, a 1-0 will do me in the 90th minute. As long as we win he gets more time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 11, 2014, 06:40:52 PM
Not sure about convincingly, a 1-0 will do me in the 90th minute. As long as we win he gets more time


Convincingly was probably the wrong word, what i meant to say was at least 2 shots on goal
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
I think we will draw tomorow in a very dull game.

Neither team look amazing at present, we look awful at times with no real threat or urgency, the vile at times dont look much better and a couple wins against Leicester and Palace doesnt change that.

Has all the makings for a very boring game, with us pressing them first half, they score around 40th minute, we spend 35 minutes of the 2nd half huffing and puffing before they break away down the Smethwick end to nick it 2-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Regis Rocket on December 11, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
I think we will draw tomorow in a very dull game.

Neither team look amazing at present, we look awful at times with no real threat or urgency, the vile at times dont look much better and a couple wins against Leicester and Palace doesnt change that.

Has all the makings for a very boring game, with us pressing them first half, they score around 40th minute, we spend 35 minutes of the 2nd half huffing and puffing before they break away down the Smethwick end to nick it 2-0.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it going too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 11, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
A draw will keep Irvine in the job in my opinion.

So we either need to win and get a result against QPR and push on from there.

Or we lose and Irvine goes.

We can't keep plodding along picking up the odd point.

A draw would be the completely the wrong result for us in my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 07:51:35 PM
A draw will keep Irvine in the job in my opinion.

So we either need to win and get a result against QPR and push on from there.

Or we lose and Irvine goes.

We can't keep plodding along picking up the odd point.

A draw would be the completely the wrong result for us in my opinion.

For arguements sake, if we draw tomorow, and draw against QPR, do you think he will still remain in charge?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 11, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
This is the bottom line.

I have a season ticket I pay £450 for each year.

I have seen us win once (in the league) at home since 1st Jan.  (The West Ham game, last season, is the only one I missed.)

If I'm not seeing us win and I'm not being entertained then what is the point?  What joy or satisfaction (let alone value) do I get? 

Something has to change.  Send me home on Saturday with a big smile on my face!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 11, 2014, 08:07:27 PM
For arguements sake, if we draw tomorow, and draw against QPR, do you think he will still remain in charge?

Yes, in my opinion he will.

Should he be? No I don't think he should. When you look at the 4 games (the last two and next two) that would be 3 points from 12 and below a point a game. Not good enough imo.

Irvine has lost the fans already, I think. It's going to take a massive turn around to get the fans onside so I think it's only a matter of time before he does go.

I think because JP has put his neck on the line with this one (whether that is in support of Burton or Irvine doesn't really matter) I think Irvine will get as long as JP can possibly get away with it.

My biggest fear is that JP will leave it too late to do anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 11, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
For what it's worth, can't see JP sacking AI for a negative  playing style. It's results he'll be judged on IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 11, 2014, 08:11:41 PM
For what it's worth, can't see JP sacking AI for a negative  playing style. It's results he'll be judged on IMO.

If that's the case then he should have gone 3 or 4 games ago.  :D

I think there are two reasons why Irvine hasn't gone yet.

One. JP put his neck on the line for Irvine and doesn't want to be seen as getting it wrong again. Especially after his statement in the summer.

Two. There is not a decent replacement out there that would want the job. People could argue Pulis but I suspect he would not be interested given our structure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2014, 08:19:37 PM
This is the bottom line.

I have a season ticket I pay £450 for each year.

I have seen us win once (in the league) at home since 1st Jan.  (The West Ham game, last season, is the only one I missed.)

If I'm not seeing us win and I'm not being entertained then what is the point?  What joy or satisfaction (let alone value) do I get? 

Something has to change.  Send me home on Saturday with a big smile on my face!


Cyn, That is the best summary of the situation we are in I have seen,

I don't buy the "bullying vitriol" thing, most want AI to succeed as it means WBA succeeds, but there is scant evidence that he can or will succeed, and patience is wearing thin,

as someone once said (paraphrasing)
"Doing something wrong is a mistake, keep doing it wrong is stupid". AI is looking fairly dumb at the minute, if he churns out more of the same against Vile & QPR he is stupid and will pay the price.

Thems my onions!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 11, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
If that's the case then he should have gone 3 or 4 games ago.  :D

I think there are two reasons why Irvine hasn't gone yet.

One. JP put his neck on the line for Irvine and doesn't want to be seen as getting it wrong again. Especially after his statement in the summer.

Two. There is not a decent replacement out there that would want the job. People could argue Pulis but I suspect he would not be interested given our structure.

Why?

In the last 5 games we've played Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham & Hull, I thought we might have done better against Newcastle, West Ham & Hull, but we defended against Chelsea for 45 mins with 10 men & were within a whisker of getting a point from Arsenal.
I would suggest JP didn't put his neck on the line for AI, but Terry Burton did, if you listen to JP's interviews he said he was giving his mangers an opportunity to manage, so he's supported TB's decision.
IMO, JP will act only, if our EPL status looks under threat, & that might mean dismantling the whole structure & starting again, that would be a massive decision to make mid season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on December 11, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
More goals would be good for everyone - even just more shots on goal would give hope.  Stating the bleeding obvious, you can't win a game without goals and there is no goal threat or intent at the moment.

Unless this changes, starting with the Villa game, then Mr Irvine, however nice a bloke he is, is likely to be remembered as The Wally with the Watch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 11, 2014, 08:40:44 PM
More goals would be good for everyone - even just more shots on goal would give hope.  Stating the bleeding obvious, you can't win a game without goals and there is no goal threat or intent at the moment.

Unless this changes, starting with the Villa game, then Mr Irvine, however nice a bloke he is, is likely to be remembered as The Wally with the Watch.

Don't be fooled by this "shots on target" metric. Most teams, even the top 4 have single figure shots on goal. The metric for me that measures how well a team is playing & getting to the final third is "shots". You can the compare your "shots" to "shots on target" to see how effective you are. Last time I looked we averaged 10 shots per game, but only 2 on target, which suggests to me we're getting into shooting positions, but not shooting very well
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 09:02:30 PM
If that's the case then he should have gone 3 or 4 games ago.  :D

I think there are two reasons why Irvine hasn't gone yet.

One. JP put his neck on the line for Irvine and doesn't want to be seen as getting it wrong again. Especially after his statement in the summer.

Two. There is not a decent replacement out there that would want the job. People could argue Pulis but I suspect he would not be interested given our structure.

Those two points are exactly why I think AI will be hear until end of January, we all know we dont spend much if anything in January, a new boss before then or during January will want a couple new players.

If performances and results remain the same, I just hope we wouldnt be cut off from the rest in the battle against relegation come that point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 11, 2014, 09:05:32 PM
If Irvine is still here come January then we're down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 11, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
I would suggest JP didn't put his neck on the line for AI, but Terry Burton did, if you listen to JP's interviews he said he was giving his mangers an opportunity to manage, so he's supported TB's decision.


In that case its a massive miscalculation by JP to allow someone who had been at the club for 2 or 3 weeks to make a decision that defines our future.  Especially when AI was 'headhunted' - i.e. we went through all the people that applied and decided that someone who hadn't applied was the most suitable out of everyone you could pick to headhunt.  I'd have to say its incredible (and I mean  far-fetched, implausible, improbable) that TB would single handedly pick AI (having not worked with him before) to headhunt for that position.  Then allow another department under his control to recruit players that AI just doesn't seem to be interested in.

I have no idea what really happened, but I would guess that JP suggested and sponsored AI, and TB went with it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 11, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Today (when he could say something relevant to our form, position, team selection, how he's going to change things, how important a derby win would be, etc) AI has chosen to confirm that he does have the final say of transfers:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472)

I seem to think this is the opposite of what he was saying a few weeks ago, you know, when he was under pressure for not utilising the players in the squad.

I appreciate that this is probably just a response to one journalist's question, and is probably just part of a much bigger and wider discussion.  It's just my cold, dark, cynical heart speaking out of complete and utter frustration.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
contradiction after contradiction, I don't get it.

wish Bill Howell would use a spall chucker  as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 10:40:13 PM
The more benefit I try to give this guy, the more he annoys me when he contradicts himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 11, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
Today (when he could say something relevant to our form, position, team selection, how he's going to change things, how important a derby win would be, etc) AI has chosen to confirm that he does have the final say of transfers:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472)

I seem to think this is the opposite of what he was saying a few weeks ago, you know, when he was under pressure for not utilising the players in the squad.

I appreciate that this is probably just a response to one journalist's question, and is probably just part of a much bigger and wider discussion.  It's just my cold, dark, cynical heart speaking out of complete and utter frustration.

The comments there are a direct contradiction of what he said just days ago. He has also made a point of saying that he didn't see Ideye play before we signed him.

He isn't consistent with his message, and he seemingly struggles to remember what he's said before. That's a sign of somebody who is out of their depth in the position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 11, 2014, 11:12:43 PM
Don't be fooled by this "shots on target" metric. Most teams, even the top 4 have single figure shots on goal. The metric for me that measures how well a team is playing & getting to the final third is "shots". You can the compare your "shots" to "shots on target" to see how effective you are. Last time I looked we averaged 10 shots per game, but only 2 on target, which suggests to me we're getting into shooting positions, but not shooting very well

I think the real metric is points, of which we only just have enough (by enough i mean enough to be above the relegation zone, i think this squad should have more points), but form would dictate that maybe after the next two games, we will not have enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 11, 2014, 11:51:19 PM
Its a plank sandwich.......a total plank in the middle with two pieces of deadwood either side.

There's more creativity in a bag of spanners.

No one will be surprised by the " pooh as usual" team selection or the final boring 1-1 result ( if we are very lucky)

Every fan and every player over at Seal Central are up for this.....we are as deflated as a balloon after the xmas party.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 12, 2014, 12:16:45 AM
The comments there are a direct contradiction of what he said just days ago. He has also made a point of saying that he didn't see Ideye play before we signed him.

He isn't consistent with his message, and he seemingly struggles to remember what he's said before. That's a sign of somebody who is out of their depth in the position.

I can forgive him for the Ideye situation... in fact he can't have seen more than clips for many of the foreign players we signed over the summer - except for those at the world cup, and we still signed Davidson who looked really poor when I've seen him play for us.

The real problem is that I think JP made his mind up about Mel after a couple of months, and by that time he already knew he had to have a complete restructure.  However the people weren't put into position (in TBs case) or even interviewed until the summer, whereas they should have been in place much earlier so that they could really assess what was needed and where our strengths and weaknesses really lay.  Then they'd have been able to watch the targets perform last season.  Instead they came in late with a need to sign players and clips and scouting reports as the only means of assessing them.  Then those players arrive late with a lack of fitness.  All this just adds to AI's problems and, no matter what I think of his abilities, we know it makes things more difficult for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 12, 2014, 12:21:20 AM
In that case its a massive miscalculation by JP to allow someone who had been at the club for 2 or 3 weeks to make a decision that defines our future.  Especially when AI was 'headhunted' - i.e. we went through all the people that applied and decided that someone who hadn't applied was the most suitable out of everyone you could pick to headhunt.  I'd have to say its incredible (and I mean  far-fetched, implausible, improbable) that TB would single handedly pick AI (having not worked with him before) to headhunt for that position.  Then allow another department under his control to recruit players that AI just doesn't seem to be interested in.

I have no idea what really happened, but I would guess that JP suggested and sponsored AI, and TB went with it.

Then why, when asked about AI's appointment, did Terry Burton say (& I quote) "They wanted a coach"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 12, 2014, 12:28:04 AM
Today (when he could say something relevant to our form, position, team selection, how he's going to change things, how important a derby win would be, etc) AI has chosen to confirm that he does have the final say of transfers:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-final-say-transfers-8277472)

I seem to think this is the opposite of what he was saying a few weeks ago, you know, when he was under pressure for not utilising the players in the squad.

I appreciate that this is probably just a response to one journalist's question, and is probably just part of a much bigger and wider discussion.  It's just my cold, dark, cynical heart speaking out of complete and utter frustration.

Cyn,

I've just read the article & he says he will have a say, I think what he said a few weeks ago, that he didn't have a lot of input into the summer signings, & why would he, he wasn't here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 12, 2014, 12:28:59 AM
Cyn,

I think what he said a few weeks ago, that he didn't have a lot of input into the summer signings, & why would he, he wasn't here.
I think you'll find he was here for most/all of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 12, 2014, 12:39:37 AM
Cyn,

I've just read the article & he says he will have a say, I think what he said a few weeks ago, that he didn't have a lot of input into the summer signings, & why would he, he wasn't here.

He was here for every player after Ideye, who if I remember correctly AI was shown clips of him when the deal was close to being done?

Every player that arrived after Ideye, AI was here for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 12, 2014, 12:45:54 AM
I think you'll find he was here for most/all of them.

He may have been here when they signed, but not for the whole of the process.
Whatever he's telling the press or alternatively whatever spin the press is putting on it, it's inconceivable that the Head Coach is not involved at a fairly early stage in the selection process for new players. I would even go so far as to say it's the head coach that triggers it, by determining the positions we need to strengthen.
Surely, the question supporters need to ask is " Why did we let let 13 players leave, when we hadn't got a head coach".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 12, 2014, 12:53:41 AM
Then why, when asked about AI's appointment, did Terry Burton say (& I quote) "They wanted a coach"

I'm not really sure what you're asking.

If I was appointed in TB's position I'd want to know the strengths and weaknesses of all the other people around me before I had a profile for the person I wanted to appoint to that position.  i.e. what is the difference between Irvine and Downing?  I don't know the answer but there is little point of having 2 people that are the similar with similar skill sets, especially if you're then going to add Rob Kelly to the matching set.

I'd also want to look at what sort of people who had and hadn't worked in that position before and understand why.

As a new arrival in a new position, appointing the key person in the organisation I'd want to ensure the best, most relevant person is bought into the position.

If I was then told to limit my list to coaches only (first I'd be furious as it would leave me totally hamstrung, then) I'd want to bring in the best person available to suit that role.

At no point would I have thought that there's only one person for the job, the Everton youth team coach would be the ideal person, I'll go and headhunt them.  (Especially if I'd never worked with them before.)

If I really wanted a coach - i.e. not a manager - I'd have been headhunting the likes of Paul Clement (or some experienced, successful - English speaking - European coach used to working in the system) and not someone who is way past their peak of keeping Preston in the championship.

It just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 12, 2014, 01:12:49 AM
I'm not really sure what you're asking.

If I was appointed in TB's position I'd want to know the strengths and weaknesses of all the other people around me before I had a profile for the person I wanted to appoint to that position.  i.e. what is the difference between Irvine and Downing?  I don't know the answer but there is little point of having 2 people that are the similar with similar skill sets, especially if you're then going to add Rob Kelly to the matching set.

I'd also want to look at what sort of people who had and hadn't worked in that position before and understand why.

As a new arrival in a new position, appointing the key person in the organisation I'd want to ensure the best, most relevant person is bought into the position.

If I was then told to limit my list to coaches only (first I'd be furious as it would leave me totally hamstrung, then) I'd want to bring in the best person available to suit that role.

At no point would I have thought that there's only one person for the job, the Everton youth team coach would be the ideal person, I'll go and headhunt them.  (Especially if I'd never worked with them before.)

If I really wanted a coach - i.e. not a manager - I'd have been headhunting the likes of Paul Clement (or some experienced, successful - English speaking - European coach used to working in the system) and not someone who is way past their peak of keeping Preston in the championship.

It just doesn't add up.

Good post mate.

Think I remember rightly Peace saying AI impressed them when he was interviewed previously for the job, so it may have been a case were Peace has pushed for this to happen as he was left impressed by what he had heard years ago.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 12, 2014, 01:22:25 AM
He was here for every player after Ideye, who if I remember correctly AI was shown clips of him when the deal was close to being done?

Every player that arrived after Ideye, AI was here for.
I've posted somewhere else that Irvine was appointed on June 14th, whilst Brown Ideye was signed on July 18th, so you would have thought there was time for Irvine to watch some videos of him and provide input based on them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 12, 2014, 01:37:37 AM
Lets not forget that JP is an accountant he understands numbers and possibly not people, if when interviewed AI (who we know does lots of preparation) had pushed JP's buttons with stats and risk management, it wouldn't be at all surprising that JP would like what he heard and react accordingly.

If I were JP the accountant i would want to hear (adopts nasal tone) Well jeremy, my analysis of games in the premier league during the period 200-2014, shows that x percentage of points are secured at home on a saturday between 3:00 & 5:00pm, wheras y percentage are won on a sunday  ........................ Therefore the risk factor involved in playing on a sunday is ........

Not eh, i like that laddie he's gorra wand of a left foot you know and i can get him for £12m and a bung to his agent, whtdya think Jezza.

Badly explained, but hopefully you get my drift. JP & AI are made for each other. (sadly)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 12, 2014, 01:58:48 AM
From the horses mouth...........

Quote
Much to his disappointment, Burton will not be at the Arsenal game to enjoy a reunion with Wenger. With the transfer window opening soon, there is a need to watch matches, although January will be nothing like the summer. “There was no head coach, 13 outfield players and no head of recruitment. So I wasn’t walking into a setup which was ready made and you have a bit of time to sit back. It was very much like a 100-yard sprint – get your head down and go.”

Filling the head coach vacancy was the priority and Burton was guided by the club in terms of the profile of that position. “I think Roy Hodgson was the one that most people at the club, from maybe chairman through to the players, looked at and thought that’s what West Brom need. Roy was out there every day, he led the gameplan, the strategy of how he wanted his team to play, taking 90% of the sessions. My period when I worked here before [in 2011-2012], I enjoyed it, but you were fighting to get the cones to put out!”

Burton agrees that he was brave to put forward Irvine, but he maintains that it was the right choice. “He’s got a good football knowledge, he can coach the fundamentals of the game, he can coach team play, he can coach individuals, his football personality on the training ground is very, very good. He’s a leader. Was it a gamble for me? It was only a gamble because of the name. The processes [behind it], I knew, were right.”

As for player recruitment, in the absence of live games other than the World Cup, there were long hours watching clips on Wyscout, lots of data analysis, guidance taken from the scouts already working at the club and far too many calls received from agents that have never been heard of since. “From where we are now and where we started then, the recruitment department looks entirely different, because the DNA of what we wanted from our players wasn’t set then,” Burton says. “That was part of that experience where you look back and go: ‘It would be far easier to do it now.’”

One of the other challenges for Burton has been adapting to a role where he is not out on the training field – his home for the last four decades - every day. “I’ve come round to it now, and hopefully I’ve got things to offer,” he says. “No matter how enthusiastic you are, you have to give way to age. But it’s not going to stop me from thinking like a football man.”


Read More http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/terry-burton-arsenal- (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/terry-burton-arsenal-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 12, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
Lets not forget that JP is an accountant he understands numbers and possibly not people, if when interviewed AI (who we know does lots of preparation) had pushed JP's buttons with stats and risk management, it wouldn't be at all surprising that JP would like what he heard and react accordingly.

If I were JP the accountant i would want to hear (adopts nasal tone) Well jeremy, my analysis of games in the premier league during the period 200-2014, shows that x percentage of points are secured at home on a saturday between 3:00 & 5:00pm, wheras y percentage are won on a sunday  ........................ Therefore the risk factor involved in playing on a sunday is ........

Not eh, i like that laddie he's gorra wand of a left foot you know and i can get him for £12m and a bung to his agent, whtdya think Jezza.

Badly explained, but hopefully you get my drift. JP & AI are made for each other. (sadly)
I think you may have over simplified things. JP has arguably been a successful chairman of a football club for 12 years now and a successful businessman before that. You do not become that without having some people skills.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 12, 2014, 02:11:07 AM
The comments there are a direct contradiction of what he said just days ago. He has also made a point of saying that he didn't see Ideye play before we signed him.

He isn't consistent with his message, and he seemingly struggles to remember what he's said before. That's a sign of somebody who is out of their depth in the position.
Or a sign of people quoting out of context? And does it really matter what he says as people seem to choose to ignore or disagree with whatever he says. Whatever he says has to be measured anyway?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 12, 2014, 03:05:54 AM
From the horses mouth...........


Read More http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/terry-burton-arsenal- (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/27/terry-burton-arsenal-)

I remember reading that.  Who's to say that Burton didn't put forward 10 suitable names for the position and Irvine was the last option.  That's what happens if we need a right back... the scouts prepare a list and the recruitment team work through the names to try and figure out who is possible and represent the best value for money.

I don't think Irvine represents the best value for money though.  More like cheapest option, and in my opinion the same label could be stuck on Burton.

Anyhow.  Won't be back here until Sunday or Monday lets hope we are convinced by the performance and the result!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 12, 2014, 07:32:21 AM
any way of comparing this poll with the earlier one so we can see what/if there's been any change in opinions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on December 12, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
Terry burton talks of don Howe being the man . He was a great full back for us but has a manager it was defensive tripe . Very much like we have now . Playing DEFENSIVE is not the baggies way .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 12, 2014, 08:26:21 AM
Terry burton talks of don Howe being the man . He was a great full back for us but has a manager it was defensive tripe . Very much like we have now . Playing DEFENSIVE is not the baggies way .

We didn't earn the nickname 'Team of the Century' playing full football after all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on December 12, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
Terry burton talks of don Howe being the man . He was a great full back for us but has a manager it was defensive tripe . Very much like we have now . Playing DEFENSIVE is not the baggies way .

Don Howe was held in much higher regard as a coach than as a manager.

Deja vu all over again...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: reynirver on December 13, 2014, 12:36:31 AM
It doesn't bother me what kind of profile our head coach has before he comes. I always expect rough patches during the season. BUT I expect to be entertained. We've seen one game all season where we've been entertaining, that was against Burnley. ALL of our other matches have been just so boring that I've turned off the TV.

Results entertain you so you can accept boring performances while getting some results.

Alan Irvine seems uncapable of both of those things, and thats why I want him gone.

I'd rather be relegated playing Mowbray/Mel kind of football than be 17th watching this type of whatever this is football.

But before you Mr. Irvine use Gamboa, its 2014 not 1990, fullbacks need to be capable to attack, Wisdom is a centre back and offers nothing going forward... Where is Blanco, have some balls when Dorrans and Morrison have a run of poor games and just put the new lad in for more than 10 minutes when we've already lost the game!  Why can't you start with both Ideye and Berahino, I'm sick of "Big" Vic who can't beat the smallest person in the air, and he always looks like he doesn't want to be on the pitch.

Go forward, at least get the sack with some grace. This is even worse than Mcleish with the Villians.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 13, 2014, 02:47:01 AM
He's safe till after Xmas now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 13, 2014, 02:51:41 AM
14th in the league after that win. Good to see Gardner run to Irvine after the goal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2014, 02:53:08 AM
It doesn't bother me what kind of profile our head coach has before he comes. I always expect rough patches during the season. BUT I expect to be entertained. We've seen one game all season where we've been entertaining, that was against Burnley. ALL of our other matches have been just so boring that I've turned off the TV.

Results entertain you so you can accept boring performances while getting some results.

Alan Irvine seems uncapable of both of those things, and thats why I want him gone.

I'd rather be relegated playing Mowbray/Mel kind of football than be 17th watching this type of whatever this is football.

But before you Mr. Irvine use Gamboa, its 2014 not 1990, fullbacks need to be capable to attack, Wisdom is a centre back and offers nothing going forward... Where is Blanco, have some balls when Dorrans and Morrison have a run of poor games and just put the new lad in for more than 10 minutes when we've already lost the game!  Why can't you start with both Ideye and Berahino, I'm sick of "Big" Vic who can't beat the smallest person in the air, and he always looks like he doesn't want to be on the pitch.

Go forward, at least get the sack with some grace. This is even worse than Mcleish with the Villians.




Did you not watch the home game v Man U either? That was entertaining.

Apart from that point I agree with you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggies37 on December 13, 2014, 02:53:46 AM
i've decided..

Go!, Go now.

Might have won but that was awful.
Not going to win many playing like that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 13, 2014, 02:56:49 AM
Yes we won,but sorry he still need to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 13, 2014, 02:57:37 AM
That result put tracing paper over the Grand Canyon.

We'll have him until at least the Gateshead game now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 13, 2014, 02:59:34 AM
That's the result that'll relegate us, you mark my words.

Irvine is now safe until jan (can't see JP getting someone in during the transfer window).

We need to be safe before our run in and cannot see that happening.

Irvine is taking us down and a 1-0 result against a poor villa team won't change that.

He's got to go now!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 13, 2014, 03:00:53 AM
That's the result that'll relegate us, you mark my words.

Irvine is now safe until jan (can't see JP getting someone in during the transfer window).

We need to be safe before our run in and cannot see that happening.

Irvine is taking us down and a 1-0 result against a poor villa team won't change that.

He's got to go now!
I'm convinced of this too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 13, 2014, 03:02:09 AM
There's no way he will get the sack after a win. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 13, 2014, 03:06:30 AM
Gardner singing AI's praises on BBC at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 13, 2014, 03:07:11 AM
Reading the last few comments it would seem that our own fans wanted us to lose to our rivals which I personally can't believe! Plus, there is no guarantee that a defeat would have persuaded JP to pull the trigger so I would rather have the 3 points on the board and closer to safety!

Yes it may "paper over the cracks" but if and when a new Head Coach is appointed, at least he will have a fighting chance of keeping us in the division. In addition, Vile are a poor team and at least this helps keep them in the mix at the bottom  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 13, 2014, 03:26:01 AM
Ironically, pressure from the fans to play a positive team and make positive substitutions may have kept Irvine in a job for longer than he would have been, and could ultimately relegate us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 13, 2014, 03:32:19 AM
Sorry, but as dire as that was I can never be disappointed after beating Villa,plus they are every bit as rubbish as we are.
Let's put the Irvine bashing on hold an give it to the seals big time! I work in Sutton so Monday will be a good day. :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on December 13, 2014, 03:38:00 AM
Taking into consideration that they were down to 10 men and put us under tremendous pressure at times toward the end I don't think we would have held out if we were playing eleven, or even scored that type of goal as we hadn't got anywhere near the Villa goal prior to that.

I think Irvine got very lucky today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 13, 2014, 03:44:54 AM
Such hard work. Struggled v 10 men doesn't provide me any more confodence that this man is capable of managing at this level.

Huge win.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 13, 2014, 03:53:51 AM
Great result but doesn't change anything for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 13, 2014, 04:03:12 AM
I just want to add that I never want albion to lose, especially when it comes to the villa.

I was just pointing out the fact that this result (while enjoyable) probably means Irvine is in charge until feb and for me that means we are down unless something radically changes in him.

Happy to be proved wrong of course
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 13, 2014, 04:05:35 AM
Team selection and substitutions spot on.

It wasn't a brilliant performance but its a case of getting the job done.

I've never seen us have so many clean sheets either.

I haven't changed my opinion on him - despite being delighted at the result.

But I will praise him tonight.

Well done, Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 13, 2014, 04:06:58 AM
Great result but doesn't change anything for me.

I'm enjoying the win, pleased that we at least *tried* to look a bit more positive, but this was still a very, very labored performance. I agree this one win is does not change anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:12:15 AM
The lads pressed well, worked very hard but once they went down to 10 men they stuck to a shape that was difficult for us to break down. As soon as we went ahead the players decided to sit back and allow Villa to push forward, Irvine was getting loads of stick for this but you could clearly see him gesturing to the players to stay up the pitch.

Given we have had a difficult time of it as of late it is a good feeling to get 3 points and although nothing has changed for me, I still don't think he's the man for the job but we had decent balance to the side today and he needs to keep with that. If we do he may just keep his job and also keep us in the league.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:12:47 AM
I just want to add that I never want albion to lose, especially when it comes to the villa.

I was just pointing out the fact that this result (while enjoyable) probably means Irvine is in charge until feb and for me that means we are down unless something radically changes in him.

Happy to be proved wrong of course

By consensus Stoke are having a fine season, yet we are now only 2 pts behind them and they are 11th.

Points-wise we are about on par for where we should be.  Just a shame that the method of achieving it is so bloody awful.

Need as many points as we can get in the bank before the halfway stage at the end of the month.  3 points v QPR next week would be massive.

I agree with posters who say that this win probably keeps in a job but that in itself could relegate us. We need to get as many points in the bag as possible before that horrible run of final fixtures.  Games 17-32 are critical, and that's usually around the time each season when it falls apart in recent times.....

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on December 13, 2014, 04:24:08 AM
Looking at the game now it's all over, a big improvement would have been Gamboa for Dorrans from the off, big improvement in pace and accuracy down the right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 13, 2014, 04:29:22 AM
2 games ago we'd have all taken 4points and two clean sheets. Some positive signs today although still a hell of a lot of work to do. Ideye almost seems 'raw' but with potential which makes 10m seem absurd so far (it's still early days for him). However, I think with Ideye and Berahino up top together or one of them with Anichebe with Sess and Varela wide - for home games this is looking more like a set up we'd enjoy watching at home. I'm not convinced AI won't default back to the flat slow midfield 4 though when Brunt is fit again which in my opinion would mean the sack ultimately for him and the coaching team. Let's see what AI has learnt from today, next week?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 13, 2014, 06:02:25 AM
Fair play to him for todays win and half decent performance , lets see who he plays at QPR and if we attack more than at Hull .Varela might be his key ....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 13, 2014, 06:57:06 AM
Fair play to him for todays win and half decent performance , lets see who he plays at QPR and if we attack more than at Hull .Varela might be his key ....

Indeed. I don't want to see Irvine retreat back into his shell again. He has to grow now and improve the team. At least today was a baby step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubba on December 13, 2014, 07:06:32 AM
Still think he needs to go or become first team coach to new man & get rid of the other two clowns!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 13, 2014, 07:09:28 AM
Fair play to him for todays win and half decent performance , lets see who he plays at QPR and if we attack more than at Hull .Varela might be his key ....

Agree Dex.

Fans have been moaning suggesting they wanted a more forward thinking attacking side.

Today we got that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on December 13, 2014, 08:09:13 AM
Agree Dex.

Fans have been moaning suggesting they wanted a more forward thinking attacking side.

Today we got that.

Just seems a shame that Brown has not looked up to it so far. Can't really blame Irvine for Brown looking like a flop. Can only hope forlornly he comes good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 13, 2014, 10:57:09 AM
What ever this guy does, I still want him out of the club. I cannot stand him and never will. I'm disgusted that he is now on the list of Albion managers/coaches and is part of our history. I don't care which players rate him, I want him to fail and I want him gone.

I'm glad we beat Villa, but unfortunately it has saved him for a few more weeks.

The good news is, when this guy is sacked, who ever replaces him will seem like Corberan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 13, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
What ever this guy does, I still want him out of the club. I cannot stand him and never will. I'm disgusted that he is now on the list of Albion managers/coaches and is part of our history. I don't care which players rate him, I want him to fail and I want him gone.

I'm glad we beat Villa, but unfortunately it has saved him for a few more weeks.

The good news is, when this guy is sacked, who ever replaces him will seem like Corberan.
Should we call this Irvinophobia?

The irrational hatred of Alan Irvine, to get to the point of being completely irredeemable in your eyes before he even started and then for basically doing an average/slightly below average job & without knowing him to have a personal grudge is what I'd call irrational.

Do I think he's doing great and is perfect? no, do I think he's the footballing Antichrist? hell no. he has his pro's and he has his cons but he's just a dude trying to do a job.. in terms of where we currentl are and in our little group of teams, our goals for is average, our goals conceded is average and his win rate is one game short of the average 31 percent (currently 25%). I saw on another forum that despite us apparently  not being able to NOT concede two goals every game, we are only behind Chelsea and Southampton in terms of clean sheets.

Like I say, there's pros and cons. but I don't think I could ever get to the level of vitriol you seem to possess about pretty much anyone I don't know..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 13, 2014, 12:31:52 PM
Dont get me wrong I'm not a fan of his and I think he is tactically inept but he got the team selection spot on yesterday! Well done Alan now more of the same at QPR please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 13, 2014, 02:36:54 PM
4 points 2 clean sheets and a good possibility of further points next game. Maybe its me but shouldn't we be happy about that?
I know the team is not full of flowing play and lots of goals but we have progressed the last two games. Today was a more attacking team, that's what we wanted. Villa have been on a run and Albion ended it. I'm not an AI lover but  lets see what plays out in the next few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on December 13, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
im far from irvines biggest fan and am always on the bandwagon when things go wrong because i dont want him as manager
but if he continues to play with the same players that we want on the pitch , varela sess brown ( ie players with pace to justify our tactics of counter)
then you cant blame him, only change i would have had would be gamboa for wisdom i cant see why we dont play him
oh well no complaints this week from me about alan at last he showed some minerals in picking an attack minded team
SOTV
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 13, 2014, 05:04:14 PM
3 points at QPR and he's here until the end of the season. He will be sacked then and a new non entity brought in to try and get us instant promotion. ( glass half empty)

3 points at QPR and he's here until the end of the season. He will offered a new yearly rolling contract based on the fact we finished 17th, Leicester, Hull and Burnley relegated. we survive on goal difference due to our record number of clean sheets and 0-0 draws. ( glass half full)

Not much to look forward to either way really.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on December 13, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
Should we call this Irvinophobia?

The irrational hatred of Alan Irvine, to get to the point of being completely irredeemable in your eyes before he even started and then for basically doing an average/slightly below average job & without knowing him to have a personal grudge is what I'd call irrational.

Do I think he's doing great and is perfect? no, do I think he's the footballing Antichrist? hell no. he has his pro's and he has his cons but he's just a dude trying to do a job.. in terms of where we currentl are and in our little group of teams, our goals for is average, our goals conceded is average and his win rate is one game short of the average 31 percent (currently 25%). I saw on another forum that despite us apparently  not being able to NOT concede two goals every game, we are only behind Chelsea and Southampton in terms of clean sheets.

Like I say, there's pros and cons. but I don't think I could ever get to the level of vitriol you seem to possess about pretty much anyone I don't know..

Well said.

I'm not a big fan of Irvine, nor do I hate the bloke. He's doing an okay job, wins aren't easily come by in this ever competitive league we're in. He's been asked to do a job and he's doing his best. He's a professional who hasn't got to the top of the coaching ladder by chance, whether that means he can be a successful Premier League head coach who knows?

Enjoy yesterday's win, and let's see what QPR brings.

COYB
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on December 13, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
I'm pleased we beat Villa.  However, Irvine constantly picks the wrong team.  He contrives to make us worse than what we should be relative to the quality in the squad.  Dawson instead of McAuley?   Mulumbu not selected.  Anichebe picked.  Brunt instead of Varela?  Going into matches looking to draw instead of imposing our game on the opposition.  We battered West Ham yet they've got 38 pts do I font think the league is of a high quality.   We should be achieving more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 13, 2014, 06:39:35 PM
I'm pleased we beat Villa.  However, Irvine constantly picks the wrong team.  He contrives to make us worse than what we should be relative to the quality in the squad.  Dawson instead of McAuley?   Mulumbu not selected.  Anichebe picked.  Brunt instead of Varela?  Going into matches looking to draw instead of imposing our game on the opposition.  We battered West Ham yet they've got 38 pts do I font think the league is of a high quality.   We should be achieving more.


naughty word me, they're doing well.

I'm not sure you've got that right my friend, Maybe deduct ten points or so.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jamesh_91 on December 13, 2014, 06:47:35 PM
I have resisted posting thus far but I am fed up of this stick for Alan Irvine. The football is turgid/dull/boring - call it what you like but I can't help but like this guy. He genuinely cares, you only have to look at his reaction when we scored today.

He was naive early doors, not being pro-active enough with his substitutions but in recent weeks I believe this has changed.We have seen attacking subs aplenty with Varela and Brown both getting game time as the fans have asked for! (Maybe they weren't actually fit and in this league we can't afford to carry anybody who is 70-80% fit except maybe Lescott. The margins really are that small).

Credit where it is due. We have now kept 6 clean sheets this season which is the joint 2nd highest. We are never going to have the attacking talent of Chelsea whilst having a rock solid defence so the midfield have to do much more defensive work but if we don't concede goals we always have a chance of winning games.

So I looked at the fixtures before the West Ham game and wanted 5 points and I firmly believe we will get something next week. Everybody keeps harping on about our run-in, am I the only one not scared? Our record against the top sides really isn't too shabby.

Let's all get behind him and give him a chance. I really believe he is learning every game and with him at the helm we will be a Premier League club next season.

Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 13, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
I have resisted posting thus far but I am fed up of this stick for Alan Irvine. The football is turgid/dull/boring - call it what you like but I can't help but like this guy. He genuinely cares, you only have to look at his reaction when we scored today.

He was naive early doors, not being pro-active enough with his substitutions but in recent weeks I believe this has changed.We have seen attacking subs aplenty with Varela and Brown both getting game time as the fans have asked for! (Maybe they weren't actually fit and in this league we can't afford to carry anybody who is 70-80% fit except maybe Lescott. The margins really are that small).

Credit where it is due. We have now kept 6 clean sheets this season which is the joint 2nd highest. We are never going to have the attacking talent of Chelsea whilst having a rock solid defence so the midfield have to do much more defensive work but if we don't concede goals we always have a chance of winning games.

So I looked at the fixtures before the West Ham game and wanted 5 points and I firmly believe we will get something next week. Everybody keeps harping on about our run-in, am I the only one not scared? Our record against the top sides really isn't too shabby.

Let's all get behind him and give him a chance. I really believe he is learning every game and with him at the helm we will be a Premier League club next season.

Boing Boing!

I love your optimism. I think that if Irvine learns from his mistakes then he deserves a chance. If he doesn't then he deserves the sack. Simple as that! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 13, 2014, 07:05:46 PM
I have resisted posting thus far but I am fed up of this stick for Alan Irvine. The football is turgid/dull/boring - call it what you like but I can't help but like this guy. He genuinely cares, you only have to look at his reaction when we scored today.

He was naive early doors, not being pro-active enough with his substitutions but in recent weeks I believe this has changed.We have seen attacking subs aplenty with Varela and Brown both getting game time as the fans have asked for! (Maybe they weren't actually fit and in this league we can't afford to carry anybody who is 70-80% fit except maybe Lescott. The margins really are that small).

Credit where it is due. We have now kept 6 clean sheets this season which is the joint 2nd highest. We are never going to have the attacking talent of Chelsea whilst having a rock solid defence so the midfield have to do much more defensive work but if we don't concede goals we always have a chance of winning games.

So I looked at the fixtures before the West Ham game and wanted 5 points and I firmly believe we will get something next week. Everybody keeps harping on about our run-in, am I the only one not scared? Our record against the top sides really isn't too shabby.

Let's all get behind him and give him a chance. I really believe he is learning every game and with him at the helm we will be a Premier League club next season.

Boing Boing!

Good post jamesh, although the apocalyptic's will probably try to pick holes in it. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on December 13, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

naughty word me, they're doing well.

I'm not sure you've got that right my friend, Maybe deduct ten points or so.  ;)
Typo I meant 28 not 38.  My point is we are underachieving.   I think Al is at a cross roads prior to the game at QPR.  Is he going to give Varela and Brown a run (possibly from bench in BI's case) or revert back to the clique of Brunt and Anichebe?  U wouldn't put Dawson back in over G mac after 2 clean sheets, so why on earth should Brunt and Anichebe be selected?  If he goes down this path I can see another winless streak of at least 5 games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 13, 2014, 07:23:32 PM
I assume anyone who hates Irvine hated Clarke more? Less points by this time last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on December 13, 2014, 07:50:13 PM
I assume anyone who hates Irvine hated Clarke more? Less points by this time last season.

I hate neither, but I wasn't happy at all with Clarke's "football" and he had to go that was very obvious. Irvine still has a chance to grow but time is running out for him because if he doesn't build the buffer of points soon we will be right in it come the end of May. At least AI tried, forced by circumstances or not, to field a more positive team against Villa. However it wasn't exactly pretty and I doubt we would have won hadn't Richardson been sent off. We still only have two wins at home Villa and Burnley.

We have QPR (a), City (h) and Stoke (a) next. Lose those three and we are back at the sack Irvine square, however, with the squad we have QPR and Stoke are winnable games. Irvine is more comfortable away, where his ultra negative approach is more appropriate, so QPR and Stoke are now crucial games.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 13, 2014, 07:51:22 PM
I have resisted posting thus far but I am fed up of this stick for Alan Irvine. The football is turgid/dull/boring - call it what you like but I can't help but like this guy. He genuinely cares, you only have to look at his reaction when we scored today.

He was naive early doors, not being pro-active enough with his substitutions but in recent weeks I believe this has changed.We have seen attacking subs aplenty with Varela and Brown both getting game time as the fans have asked for! (Maybe they weren't actually fit and in this league we can't afford to carry anybody who is 70-80% fit except maybe Lescott. The margins really are that small).

Credit where it is due. We have now kept 6 clean sheets this season which is the joint 2nd highest. We are never going to have the attacking talent of Chelsea whilst having a rock solid defence so the midfield have to do much more defensive work but if we don't concede goals we always have a chance of winning games.

So I looked at the fixtures before the West Ham game and wanted 5 points and I firmly believe we will get something next week. Everybody keeps harping on about our run-in, am I the only one not scared? Our record against the top sides really isn't too shabby.

Let's all get behind him and give him a chance. I really believe he is learning every game and with him at the helm we will be a Premier League club next season.

Boing Boing!
. Good point well made . Look at Brown new club ,new country , away from his family. Now settled and starting to show form in training . Varela getting fitness back after operation so yes perhaps Irvine was right  not to select  can't say negative selections for the Vile game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 13, 2014, 07:53:54 PM
Should we call this Irvinophobia?

The irrational hatred of Alan Irvine, to get to the point of being completely irredeemable in your eyes before he even started and then for basically doing an average/slightly below average job & without knowing him to have a personal grudge is what I'd call irrational.

Do I think he's doing great and is perfect? no, do I think he's the footballing Antichrist? hell no. he has his pro's and he has his cons but he's just a dude trying to do a job.. in terms of where we currentl are and in our little group of teams, our goals for is average, our goals conceded is average and his win rate is one game short of the average 31 percent (currently 25%). I saw on another forum that despite us apparently  not being able to NOT concede two goals every game, we are only behind Chelsea and Southampton in terms of clean sheets.

Like I say, there's pros and cons. but I don't think I could ever get to the level of vitriol you seem to possess about pretty much anyone I don't know..

Call it what you like mate. I'll have my opinion, you have yours.

I'm just a man who sticks by his guns - I didn't want him at the start and I don't want him now. I'd like a coach/manager who inspires confidence, not someone who doesn't know what team to pick or what tactics to use. (Assuming he knows what tactics are, if his '2013/14 Who's Who Football Annual' covers that topic).

I assume anyone who hates Irvine hated Clarke more? Less points by this time last season.

This, followed by your signature amuses me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 13, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
I didn't want him and still don't but he has brought himself some time I suppose
For me it depends what he does next week
If he drops varela for brunt and brings in Anichebe for Brown then I will give him dogs abuse again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnny Cash on December 13, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
Now settled and starting to show form in training

Where has this been said, or are you guessing?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 13, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
In fairness to Irvine yesterday was probably the first time he has won the tactical battle with the opposing manager. I suspect Lampratt was genuinely surprised the way we set up as we have been very predictable in our selection in previous weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 13, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
I hate neither, but I wasn't happy at all with Clarke's "football" and he had to go that was very obvious. Irvine still has a chance to grow but time is running out for him because if he doesn't build the buffer of points soon we will be right in it come the end of May. At least AI tried, forced by circumstances or not, to field a more positive team against Villa. However it wasn't exactly pretty and I doubt we would have won hadn't Richardson been sent off. We still only have two wins at home Villa and Burnley.

We have QPR (a), City (h) and Stoke (a) next. Lose those three and we are back at the sack Irvine square, however, with the squad we have QPR and Stoke are winnable games. Irvine is more comfortable away, where his ultra negative approach is more appropriate, so QPR and Stoke are now crucial games.
And win all three and he will get manager of the month.

I doubt we would have lost against Arsenal had the incorrect offside not been given against Berahino. It happens and we have to accept it.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on December 13, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
I have resisted posting thus far but I am fed up of this stick for Alan Irvine. The football is turgid/dull/boring - call it what you like but I can't help but like this guy. He genuinely cares, you only have to look at his reaction when we scored today.

He was naive early doors, not being pro-active enough with his substitutions but in recent weeks I believe this has changed.We have seen attacking subs aplenty with Varela and Brown both getting game time as the fans have asked for! (Maybe they weren't actually fit and in this league we can't afford to carry anybody who is 70-80% fit except maybe Lescott. The margins really are that small).

Credit where it is due. We have now kept 6 clean sheets this season which is the joint 2nd highest. We are never going to have the attacking talent of Chelsea whilst having a rock solid defence so the midfield have to do much more defensive work but if we don't concede goals we always have a chance of winning games.

So I looked at the fixtures before the West Ham game and wanted 5 points and I firmly believe we will get something next week. Everybody keeps harping on about our run-in, am I the only one not scared? Our record against the top sides really isn't too shabby.

Let's all get behind him and give him a chance. I really believe he is learning every game and with him at the helm we will be a Premier League club next season.

Boing Boing!

Very good post mate, though I would say that I didn't find the football yesterday "turgid, dull or boring" (or for that matter against a number of other teams - though acknowledge there have been a few forgettable games).

All I want is for WBA Fc to be as successful as possible, while accepting the challenges we face, but have to say the posts of a few of the regular contributors who are on here most days and have been chipping away at Irvine from Day 1, in no way represent me as a supporter.

But at this moment in time I don't see justification to hope that the club give AI the boot and sincerely hope things work out with him in charge, as if it does it'll mean we're being successful (or as successful as any reasonable supporter could expect, while acknowledging and accepting the huge challenges we have at this level).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 13, 2014, 09:48:33 PM
when asked about his tactics by one reporter Keith Downing was heard to say that he preferred polo mints, to which Irvine was heard to say in the background that he was a trebor man himself, to be serious i think the whole  coaching staff should be cleared out, even allowing for the fact that surprisingly  we are only behind Chelsea and Southampton for clean sheets kept, and we have not been tanked by anyone , but we must give ourselves a chance to win and tactically we do not do that, i think the right coach will harness the positives of the squad, play further up the pitch and give the opposition more to think about at their end of the pitch.
this squad of players in my opinion are as good as if not better of half of the  sides in the league, what they need is the opportunity to prove it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 13, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
when asked about his tactics by one reporter Keith Downing was heard to say that he preferred polo mints, to which Irvine was heard to say in the background that he was a trebor man himself, to be serious i think the whole  coaching staff should be cleared out, even allowing for the fact that surprisingly  we are only behind Chelsea and Southampton for clean sheets kept, and we have not been tanked by anyone , but we must give ourselves a chance to win and tactically we do not do that, i think the right coach will harness the positives of the squad, play further up the pitch and give the opposition more to think about at their end of the pitch.
this squad of players in my opinion are as good as if not better of half of the  sides in the league, what they need is the opportunity to prove it

The long winter evenings must fly by (To quote Blackadder)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on December 13, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
..., play further up the pitch and give the opposition more to think about at their end of the pitch...
I thought that was what Mel wanted to do but the players didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2014, 04:05:17 AM
going to have a little self imposed break. Hope we continue to pick up points in the next few games, but can't see it without incident's like yesterday's sending off. I'll be back in the new year. Merry Christmas folks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 14, 2014, 04:07:07 AM
Has yesterday changed my opinion on Irvine? no, on the contrary I feel even more so that he is the wrong man for the job. We played a POOR 10 man Vile team and scrapped a victory. Should have taken them to the cleaners after the sending off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 14, 2014, 04:47:49 AM
Has yesterday changed my opinion on Irvine? no, on the contrary I feel even more so that he is the wrong man for the job. We played a POOR 10 man Vile team and scrapped a victory. Should have taken them to the cleaners after the sending off.

To be fair we played just as a poor a Vile team last season and only took one point even after racing into big leads !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 14, 2014, 05:54:23 AM
Noticed this interesting statistic last night:

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What is our record in terms of clean sheets in the premier League?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 14, 2014, 05:59:08 AM
What I ideally want is Irvine to prove us all wrong....if that happens it will mean we will have an happy old ending to the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 14, 2014, 06:12:26 AM
Thought we were lucky to win yesterday.

Two very poor teams, and the sending off helped us. The football under AI is still very poor. IF we stay up (big IF) I'd hope the rolling contract wouldn't be renewed so that we can bring in somebody to actually improve us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:13:31 AM
Noticed this interesting statistic last night:

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What is our record in terms of clean sheets in the premier League?

Difference is those teams attack and can score goals.

Since Irvine brought in Lescott for Olsson we have tightened defensively but still struggling up the other end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on December 14, 2014, 06:19:18 AM
What is our record in terms of clean sheets in the premier League?

2002/03: 6 clean sheets
2004/05: 7 clean sheets
2005/06: 10 clean sheets
2008/09: 8 clean sheets
2010/11: 2 clean sheets
2011/12: 10 clean sheets
2012/13: 8 clean sheets
2013/14: 7 clean sheets

Obviously clean sheets are only helpful if you're putting them in at the other end, but at least it's a foundation to build on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 14, 2014, 06:22:52 AM
There are still too many worrying signs for me.

One of the things I picked up on yesterday was set pieces. Every time a Premier league team gets one, they have a routine, and these are drilled into them on the training ground. Now yesterday we had a corner and didn't even know who was taking it, let alone what the routine was going to be.

We won, but we were still poor. As the side with 11, you would be looking to get hold of the ball and move them around the pitch - we still didn't. Team selection was still poor (Dorrans, Gardner, and Morrison is still not a central 3 to be playing at all). The same old problems remain.

If Richardson stays on the pitch, we lose that game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:23:51 AM
Set pieces have been poor for a number of years to be fair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 14, 2014, 06:37:01 AM
Set pieces have been poor for a number of years to be fair.

Agreed.

People rave about Brunt and his set pieces but they are arguably just as bad.

He gets himself assists because he takes so many of them but I wouldn't say they're of a consistent quality.

Guzan like many before him gobbled up our set pieces
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 14, 2014, 06:41:40 AM
Set pieces have been poor for a number of years to be fair.

Bring back Neil Clement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 14, 2014, 05:27:37 PM
Bring back Neil Clement.

He was another who who would either put it on a six pence or in row z with nothing in between.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
The win doesnt change my opinion, but I am glad we got the win.

I still think not much has changed. Credit to Irvine for picking a more 'attacking' team, will be interesting to see who Brunt replaces (my guess is Dorrans).

We got the 3 points on saturday which were vital for us, but lets not kid ourselves, we played against a poor villa team who had 10 men for 70 minutes, I know its easy to EXPECT to beat 10 men, but we should still be piling on abit more pressure. (Villa could have knicked a point near the end).

Irvine has brought himself some time with the board, I still dont think hes the right man, but like before I will wont throw abuse his way at a game as I dont think thats the correct way to go about things.

Lets see how we play against QPR.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 14, 2014, 06:37:36 PM
The win doesnt change my opinion, but I am glad we got the win.

I still think not much has changed. Credit to Irvine for picking a more 'attacking' team, will be interesting to see who Brunt replaces (my guess is Dorrans).

We got the 3 points on saturday which were vital for us, but lets not kid ourselves, we played against a poor villa team who had 10 men for 70 minutes, I know its easy to EXPECT to beat 10 men, but we should still be piling on abit more pressure. (Villa could have knicked a point near the end).

Irvine has brought himself some time with the board, I still dont think hes the right man, but like before I will wont throw abuse his way at a game as I dont think thats the correct way to go about things.

Lets see how we play against QPR.

Spot on, failure to get anything from the QPR game and we're back to sqaure one.

Still want him gone myself. He needs to instill more belief into the players and needs to go for the throat of opponents. Sitting on a 1-0 at home doesn't quite cut it for me, and when we sat back it got abit too cagey for my liking.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2014, 08:41:32 PM
Spot on, failure to get anything from the QPR game and we're back to sqaure one.

Still want him gone myself. He needs to instill more belief into the players and needs to go for the throat of opponents. Sitting on a 1-0 at home doesn't quite cut it for me, and when we sat back it got abit too cagey for my liking.
He picked Varela (MoM?) and Ideye on Saturday which most of us have been hoping for, so he has to have credit for that. Personally I would prefer to see Gamboa in for Wisdom than Ideye in for Berahino, but it is a sign that he is relaxing the shackles.
As for the sitting back, I think that was the players lack of confidence, Irvine was screaming at them to get up the pitch.
Great result with a bit more attacking intent, needs to back it up now:
Varela must start against QPR, regardless of Brunt's fitness.
If he drops Ideye for Berahino, no complaints.
Can't drop Wisdom after 2 clean sheets (unfortunately).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 14, 2014, 08:48:38 PM
Ye I'll give him the credit for picking a more attacking line up, means nothing though if we go to QPR and he picks a team to play for a 0-0.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on December 14, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
picked a team to save his job and it worked, now he as to prove it wasn't a one off pick, at least we looked like we wanted to attack on Saturday which is a start, Varela was decent (makes you wonder why he hasn't been involved) and if we get something at APPY HARRY'S mob things will be looking okish   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on December 14, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
Thought we were lucky to win yesterday.

Two very poor teams, and the sending off helped us. The football under AI is still very poor. IF we stay up (big IF) I'd hope the rolling contract wouldn't be renewed so that we can bring in somebody to actually improve us.
A rolling contract is just that - it rolls on. If AI wants to leave he has to give 12 months notice - similar to Ally McCoist's present situation at Rangers - and if WBA want a change then they have to give notice and continue to pay him for 12 months. There is no 'renewal' involved.

Anyway give the guy time, after going through so many Head Coaches/Managers in recent years Albion need stability in this area. He was given a bad hand - with the exception of JL he inherited several unfit/dud signings and others must take the responsibility for that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 14, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
I have dished out plenty of criticism for AI, but in fairness it was the players who dropped deep on saturday, he was going mad at them to push up.

Lets not forget the team have a major role to play once the whistle blows, its far too easy to focus all our despair on AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
Win at QPR and he probably buys himself time for the remainder of the season.

As said above, lets just hope the team picked saturday (Varela and Ideye) wasnt just to save his job for him to revert back to the 11 he usually picks.

Varela HAS to start alongside Sess. Gives us a bit more threat going forward and takes the pressure of Sess to make something happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2014, 11:03:43 PM
picked a team to save his job and it worked, now he as to prove it wasn't a one off pick, at least we looked like we wanted to attack on Saturday which is a start, Varela was decent (makes you wonder why he hasn't been involved) and if we get something at APPY HARRY'S mob things will be looking okish   

Did he pick it or did it pick itself? As I said before had Brunt and Anichebe been fit they would have played. Circumstance may have saved his bacon - for now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 14, 2014, 11:51:39 PM
A rolling contract is just that - it rolls on. If AI wants to leave he has to give 12 months notice - similar to Ally McCoist's present situation at Rangers - and if WBA want a change then they have to give notice and continue to pay him for 12 months. There is no 'renewal' involved.

Anyway give the guy time, after going through so many Head Coaches/Managers in recent years Albion need stability in this area. He was given a bad hand - with the exception of JL he inherited several unfit/dud signings and others must take the responsibility for that.

Didn't all our signings apart from Brown come in once Irvine was in place?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 15, 2014, 12:38:27 AM
Irvine has now a massive call to make.

This will test his character, the character of the team and the club.

He must not drop Varela, he must stick to his guns and go for it.

Keep Brunt on the bench, give Lescott the armband, smash QPR, which this squad is very, very capable of and move forward with growing fan support.

Resort to type ( tripe) by dropping Varela  and its the last nail in his  coffin, regardless of the result.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 15, 2014, 12:56:36 AM
hes living on a game to game basis. He needs to start with the same 11 and we need a result of some sort against QPR.
There was improvement against Villa and an encouraging team selection.I dont want to see Brunt starting this game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 15, 2014, 01:02:05 AM
I think the win gives Irvine some time. 

To be honest if things continue to gradually improve I think he could be here for a while.  For whatever reason - be it self-determined, circumstances or through external pressure - he is starting to pick a much better balanced side.  We needed width and some attacking intent and we got that.

I thought he picked the best starting line-up he could.  The substitution worked (obviously) although I don't understand why we left so many small attacking players on the pitch when we were clearly going to have to defend some high balls against a significantly taller team.  I think it was to keep us on the front foot - but I wouldn't have risked it.

I am hoping to see a bit of Blanco.  I think he may help us with the attacking set pieces. 

I think I have to lay off Irvine until next year.  Decent results against QPR , Man City and Stoke are all possible (with City's injury list).

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 15, 2014, 01:10:18 AM
can you imagine if he takes us down and is still here next season playing handbreak on football in the championship.What a wonderful thought
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 15, 2014, 01:42:18 AM
can you imagine if he takes us down and is still here next season playing handbreak on football in the championship.What a wonderful thought

I know what you're saying, but, (its a big but admittedly)  what if he has been working on the defensive attributes and now with 2 shut-outs behind him he is starting to work more on the offensive side (as Roy did). 

It supposedly the tried and tested methodology.  personally i hope he can turn it around because its good for the club and therefore the fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 15, 2014, 01:57:52 AM
I know what you're saying, but, (its a big but admittedly)  what if he has been working on the defensive attributes and now with 2 shut-outs behind him he is starting to work more on the offensive side (as Roy did). 

It supposedly the tried and tested methodology.  personally i hope he can turn it around because its good for the club and therefore the fans.



yes but what i hear from his previous clubs supporters the brand is very similar.My worry is he will always be to cautious which means we get a brand thats never going to be easy on the eye.
Season ticket sales next season i am sure will tumble
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 15, 2014, 02:36:18 AM
I agree that history suggests its unlikely, but lets hope that he's learnt from earlier errors.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 15, 2014, 05:00:48 AM
I am firmly in the "never in a million years do we want this guy" camp but having said that, I will be the first to point out that from the kick-off after our goal against The Vile the other day, he was trying to drive us forward by urging Poco I think it was ( or it may have been the whole back 4 ) to push up..........and that was right from their kick-off. I don't think the last 10 minutes against Villa and the way we sat deep and allowed them back into the game was down to Irvine, quite the opposite in fact judging by his actions and gesticulations from the touchline. So that period of play and the way we invited pressure from them can only be down to the players and not Irvine ( in that instance anyway ) so give the bloke some due from Saturday...............at least this once
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 15, 2014, 05:48:31 AM
I agree that history suggests its unlikely, but lets hope that he's learnt from earlier errors.
Lets just wait and see. The past is the past. He finds himself in different circumstances. Maybe, just maybe, he's still learning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 15, 2014, 07:24:47 AM


yes but what i hear from his previous clubs supporters the brand is very similar.My worry is he will always be to cautious which means we get a brand thats never going to be easy on the eye.
Season ticket sales next season i am sure will tumble
You put far too much emphasis in what you hear from previous club supporters. Perhaps you need to put a little bit of trust and faith in your own club and make your own mind up?  (As has previously been pointed out, Preston fans protested when he was sacked and his win ratio at Sheff Wed was better than the previous 9 managers going back 15 years, so a pinch of salt might be needed with their comments)
What I have seen so far this season is a team that finished one place off the relegation spot and lost over a dozen of their squad to be replaced by 11 new players,  going through a period of transition, becoming tighter as a group of players whilst the coach has been getting unreasonable dogs abuse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 15, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
Lets just wait and see. The past is the past. He finds himself in different circumstances. Maybe, just maybe, he's still learning.

There is a glimmer of hope about this, maybe?  He wouldn't have had the class of player we have now at Preston/SWeds would he, so playing it tight might have seemed the only option.  We'll soon find out...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 15, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
I am firmly in the "never in a million years do we want this guy" camp but having said that, I will be the first to point out that from the kick-off after our goal against The Vile the other day, he was trying to drive us forward by urging Poco I think it was ( or it may have been the whole back 4 ) to push up..........and that was right from their kick-off. I don't think the last 10 minutes against Villa and the way we sat deep and allowed them back into the game was down to Irvine, quite the opposite in fact judging by his actions and gesticulations from the touchline. So that period of play and the way we invited pressure from them can only be down to the players and not Irvine ( in that instance anyway ) so give the bloke some due from Saturday...............at least this once

Someone yesterday also pointed that out that Irvine was encouraging his players to get further up field in the last 10. It may be more a case of player confidence and just sitting back to try and defend a win.

Im still not entirerly convinced by AI, and I think had villa had 11 men saturday it might not have ended with a wba win, however I support WBA and have to back the team to win, at the end of the day, if AI is doing well it means WBA are doing well.

Lets see what team is picked on saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 16, 2014, 12:59:41 AM
Haven't read the site for a few days.
Thank god we beat the Vile.
This place would have gone into meltdown had we not.
Reading some of the posts on this thread (and others too), anyone would think that we had actually lost.
I detect a certain amount of frustration on the part of the Irvine lynching posse.
Savour the victory.
Life is too short to constantly criticise and nit pick.
SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 16, 2014, 02:46:21 AM
Somethings going on.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 16, 2014, 02:51:01 AM
Somethings going on.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post


What was he after we won Saturday ? Seems Rodgers price has gone up and pearsons gone out to I think that's silly money to think Irvine be next sacked that win has bought him at least until hull at home on the 10th Jan unless like you say something's happened.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 16, 2014, 02:52:35 AM
I detect a certain amount of frustration on the part of the Irvine lynching posse.
Savour the victory.
Life is too short to constantly criticise and nit pick.

"Detect" - it's pretty blatant when you have a poster saying he was gutted we won.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 16, 2014, 02:53:42 AM
Im intrigued as too whether anything is going on!!!

Could he be sacked?

I think some of the players might be upset if he is after whats come out in the press this last week or so

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 16, 2014, 02:59:17 AM
Somethings going on.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post
Irvine not liked by fans and Adkins available. lots of  2+2= fish stuff in football odds.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 16, 2014, 03:02:08 AM
Next manager odds mean naff all, famously unreliable.  Nothing in it - guaranteed.  Was favourite on Saturday and still favourite now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 16, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
Wouldnt trust managers odds with my life.

Im sure at some point, Sherwood was odds on for the WBA job and didnt get it.

Wonder what Irvines odds were before he got the WBA job, possibly 60-1?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 16, 2014, 08:08:35 PM
Someone yesterday also pointed that out that Irvine was encouraging his players to get further up field in the last 10. It may be more a case of player confidence and just sitting back to try and defend a win.

Im still not entirerly convinced by AI, and I think had villa had 11 men saturday it might not have ended with a wba win, however I support WBA and have to back the team to win, at the end of the day, if AI is doing well it means WBA are doing well.

Lets see what team is picked on saturday.

It has to be a confidence issue for the players. As soon as we went a goal ahead every time I looked over at Irvine he was urging the players to push further up the pitch but they continued to drop back. They were as desperate to get a win out of that game as the fans were from what I could see but once those players are on the pitch there isn't as much influence a manager can have as you would expect, you need natural leaders on the pitch and we have lacked that at times.

I'm not convinced by him either, he may be a great coach but I'm not so sure about his man management and tactical nous. One thing I will say is that he has earned a little extra time with me now he is finally picking Varela and giving Ideye a game but he is on a knife edge. The nature of the league doesn't help, a couple of wins on the bounce and you are top 10 but lose a couple on the bounce and you are right in the relegation mire again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 16, 2014, 08:19:43 PM
He has kind of a fresh start in my opinion now we have couple attacking players available one probably our biggest threat in valera i think Irvine has most of January if not all of it in my opinion, Get behind him and the team after that if he keeps picking the right team everyone asks for i will fully support him if he reverts back to the old guard he will shoot himself in the foot really, I hate the way some of our fans go on like the guy does pure damage to our team and doesn't do anything right defensively we look alot better and organised.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 17, 2014, 06:39:07 AM
It has to be a confidence issue for the players. As soon as we went a goal ahead every time I looked over at Irvine he was urging the players to push further up the pitch but they continued to drop back. They were as desperate to get a win out of that game as the fans were from what I could see but once those players are on the pitch there isn't as much influence a manager can have as you would expect, you need natural leaders on the pitch and we have lacked that at times.

I'm not convinced by him either, he may be a great coach but I'm not so sure about his man management and tactical nous. One thing I will say is that he has earned a little extra time with me now he is finally picking Varela and giving Ideye a game but he is on a knife edge. The nature of the league doesn't help, a couple of wins on the bounce and you are top 10 but lose a couple on the bounce and you are right in the relegation mire again.

Speaking of natural leaders if you can afford to watch individuals during games watch Gardner and Lescott - numerous times they motioned to say 'don't give it to me, get up the pitch'. And you're right about AI I saw him saying get up and press and nobody really did. I also watched his reaction for the goal before I saw it again on MOTD he looked bloody happy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 17, 2014, 06:57:44 AM
He will never change. I still want him gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Marcus on December 17, 2014, 08:18:36 AM
I don't see any reason why, when Brunt is back, he can't play both him and Valera in the same team.  Brunt starting on the right but with the flexibility for the two of them to swap flanks during the game. We've operated like that to decent effect before. This would then free up Sess to play behind the striker (his best position IMO).
Can't ever see AI doing that though.

 A lot of folk have commented on AI screaming for them to press up and not drop back during the last 10mins against the Vile. I noticed it too. Surely that was the time to bring YM on and take a striker off. Seemed to me as though he'd gone from an ultra conservative approach to a let's see how many attacking players we can get on the pitch at any one time approach. That scares me somewhat and smacks of someone who is out of their depth.
That said , I said from the start I'd give him till Xmas. Reckon QPR is the acid test
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 17, 2014, 10:11:00 AM
He will never change. I still want him gone
To be fair though, he has changed over the past two games, and even though I'm still not a fan; you cannot deny that. At Hull he threw on a natural winger (Varela) and ended up with 2 strikers up front, and even against West Ham he had 4 on at the end, this week he also spoke about using Varela more, which is promising.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on December 17, 2014, 05:39:02 PM
Have to give him credit for the win over seals but he has to play are best strikeDr sadio as his inclusion got us the win
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 17, 2014, 05:47:39 PM
We were stagnating under Clarke with his 70 minutes of defending and 20 minutes of trying to save the gameas opposed to winning it.  We generally play better football now although it's with the wrong players.

That sounds like someone else  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on December 17, 2014, 06:23:53 PM
That sounds like someone else  ::)

Very similar but maybe just maybe (and I am not a fan) Irvine may be waking up to smell the coffee and realise who is best players are.  In my opinion he needs to drop Dorrans and put Gamboa in for more speed down the right hand side and we could cause problems for whoever we play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 17, 2014, 06:29:30 PM
Very similar but maybe just maybe (and I am not a fan) Irvine may be waking up to smell the coffee and realise who is best players are.  In my opinion he needs to drop Dorrans and put Gamboa in for more speed down the right hand side and we could cause problems for whoever we play.

I dont think he has woken up and smelt the coffee though.

Starting Varela has pretty much been his only option, the fans were on his back to bring him on which he did, and with Brunt being injured there wasnt really anyone else he could play there without getting some serious stick. (Samaras would have probably been used had he not been in Greece).

Starting Ideye, is pretty similiar to the above point, I dont think Brown would have started against the Villa had Anichebe been passed fit, and with Berahino on a mini goal drout and off field antics, it made sense to give our 10 million pound man a chance.

Both changes are pretty much the ones he HAD to make due to injuries or problems. If he starts Varela and Ideye on saturday against QPR, with Brunt being passed fit and possibly Anichebe back, then he may have realised the changes that were made benefited the team more.

The refusal to start Gamboa over Wisdom does confuse me though, seems very strange we are persisting on playing a loan player over one of our own.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on December 18, 2014, 12:19:35 PM
We were stagnating under Clarke with his 70 minutes of defending and 20 minutes of trying to save the gameas opposed to winning it.  We generally play better football now although it's with the wrong players.
the football we play now is the worst since don howe was in charge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 18, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
the football we play now is the worst since don howe was in charge
Brian Little, Denis Smith, Alan Buckley etc etc need I say anymore.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 18, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Irvine on Varela:

"We’ve had a few chats lately and it’s been all about that. You can play in the team if you take people on, the minute you lose that bit of confidence or that bit of courage that bit of self belief then somebody else goes in because they’ll do the other jobs better than you."

 ???

Some man-manager...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 18, 2014, 01:09:01 PM
Maybe it's just me but some of the things that come out of his mouth are unbelievable , the comment on wingers having a go when we have played block up football for 95% of his time here ? Dear oh dear!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 18, 2014, 01:11:06 PM
I simply don't understand or like the way he has come out and made comments on both Varela and Brown being more or less useless in training but showing signs of improvement.

 For me, this type of thing should be kept in house and he should use it to fire them up, there's no need for this to be made public.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 18, 2014, 01:23:42 PM
I think it was supposed to be a PR exercise to justify Varela and Ideye's exclusion for the first four months of the season. Sadly, Irvine's isn't articulate enough here to pull it off and I think it backfires.

I'm still waiting for Gamboa and Blanco to start some games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 18, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
I really want to get behind this bloke but it seems one step forwards, one back.

You can play in the team if you take people on  Did he have this conversation with Chris Brunt ? I cannot remember the last time I saw Brunty take someone on FFS!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 18, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
I can see why these articles have been done by the club but I don't think they have come across well at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 18, 2014, 01:37:41 PM
Nice to see he is still putting his foot in it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 18, 2014, 02:26:28 PM
Great man manager.......really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 18, 2014, 03:11:05 PM
I really want to get behind this bloke but it seems one step forwards, one back.

You can play in the team if you take people on  Did he have this conversation with Chris Brunt ? I cannot remember the last time I saw Brunty take someone on FFS!

When taking people on is the main attribute of a player I don't see the problem, once you lose confidence and stop attempting to run at players then what is the point in those types of players playing? As for Brunt he has never been a player to take people on but he probably does do the simple things better than Varela.

To be honest I think a lot of people are reading far too much into what Irvine says especially only handpicking a very small part of what he said to potentially change the context.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 18, 2014, 03:14:36 PM
In terms of "out of context", that may well be true, i have only seen the extract quoted on here. In itself its a poor comment, but I agree I should read the transcript of the whole conversation before drawing conclusions
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 18, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Why do you pay so much attention to what he says in the media?  It is only pretty much exactly the same statements that every manager puts out and is quite often taken out of context when used maliciously.
Personally, I hope he has one conversation in public and some very different conversations with players and staff in private.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 18, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
In terms of "out of context", that may well be true, i have only seen the extract quoted on here. In itself its a poor comment, but I agree I should read the transcript of the whole conversation before drawing conclusions
If you get the opportunity,  looking up leading questions,  yes prime minister,  on you tube. Bit dated but brilliant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 18, 2014, 03:37:45 PM
If you get the opportunity,  looking up leading questions,  yes prime minister,  on you tube. Bit dated but brilliant.

excellent, thanks for that. Brilliant series.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on December 18, 2014, 06:03:33 PM
Irvine on Varela:

"We’ve had a few chats lately and it’s been all about that. You can play in the team if you take people on, the minute you lose that bit of confidence or that bit of courage that bit of self belief then somebody else goes in because they’ll do the other jobs better than you."

 ???

Some man-manager...
Why not get off the manager's back and why is everyone screaming on about Varela, has he not had a hernia operation ? It would take some time to get fit for premiership football after that and the 'confidence' thing comes into its correct context.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 18, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
Irvine on Varela:

"We’ve had a few chats lately and it’s been all about that. You can play in the team if you take people on, the minute you lose that bit of confidence or that bit of courage that bit of self belief then somebody else goes in because they’ll do the other jobs better than you."

 ???

Some man-manager...
Depends how you interpret it....could be read as 'don't be afraid to take people on as that's what I want you to do'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 19, 2014, 08:23:22 AM
Why do you pay so much attention to what he says in the media?  It is only pretty much exactly the same statements that every manager puts out and is quite often taken out of context when used maliciously.
Personally, I hope he has one conversation in public and some very different conversations with players and staff in private.

Exactly!
I think one of the most telling statement AI has made recently, when asked about available players for the West Ham game, was "I'm not giving Sam Allardyce clues about our team" It's all smoke & mirrors.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 19, 2014, 10:49:26 AM
from the OS, interesting to read the other perspective

Striker says Irvine never stops encouraging him,

ALAN Irvine’s hand is still stinging following a passionate Craig Gardner high-five, as the midfielder celebrated scoring the winner in last Saturday’s derby win over Villa.

And that same hand may still be in danger, with Brown Ideye stating that he would have done the same had he scored.

The Nigerian forward has endured a tricky start to life at The Hawthorns, not helped by an ankle injury sustained scoring his first goal for the club in the Capital One Cup victory over Hull City in September.

But Ideye has revealed that Albion’s Head Coach, who he regards as a father figure, never stops encouraging him.

“The manager is like a father to me - I tell him everything,” said The Baggies’ record signing.

“He is a nice person, and he is also very easy to work with.

“When Craig Gardner scored against Villa he ran over to him and gave him a high-five.

“If I’d have scored I would have done the same.

“He has always encouraged me and told me to keep working hard, even when I was injured.

“He doesn’t like to put pressure on his players because having played himself, he knows that when managers put pressure on players they are more likely to make a mistake.”

Pressure however, is something that ‘Bobby’ may be forgiven for feeling at home.

The 26-year-old frequently faces post-match interrogation from his wife who is a keen football fan, and further questions from his young son.

“My wife is like one of managers,” said Ideye.

“She is a really keen football fan, and she knew lots about the game before we met and got married.

“She is always telling me how I performed and stuff like that after a match.

“My son also asks if I have scored after every game.

“My family want me to do well every time I play.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-wba-albion-brown-ideye-high-five-2152329.aspx#OXMwz07DitLV1I0g.99
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 19, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
from the OS, interesting to read the other perspective

Striker says Irvine never stops encouraging him,

ALAN Irvine’s hand is still stinging following a passionate Craig Gardner high-five, as the midfielder celebrated scoring the winner in last Saturday’s derby win over Villa.

And that same hand may still be in danger, with Brown Ideye stating that he would have done the same had he scored.

The Nigerian forward has endured a tricky start to life at The Hawthorns, not helped by an ankle injury sustained scoring his first goal for the club in the Capital One Cup victory over Hull City in September.

But Ideye has revealed that Albion’s Head Coach, who he regards as a father figure, never stops encouraging him.

“The manager is like a father to me - I tell him everything,” said The Baggies’ record signing.

“He is a nice person, and he is also very easy to work with.

“When Craig Gardner scored against Villa he ran over to him and gave him a high-five.

“If I’d have scored I would have done the same.

“He has always encouraged me and told me to keep working hard, even when I was injured.

“He doesn’t like to put pressure on his players because having played himself, he knows that when managers put pressure on players they are more likely to make a mistake.”

Pressure however, is something that ‘Bobby’ may be forgiven for feeling at home.

The 26-year-old frequently faces post-match interrogation from his wife who is a keen football fan, and further questions from his young son.

“My wife is like one of managers,” said Ideye.

“She is a really keen football fan, and she knew lots about the game before we met and got married.

“She is always telling me how I performed and stuff like that after a match.

“My son also asks if I have scored after every game.

“My family want me to do well every time I play.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-wba-albion-brown-ideye-high-five-2152329.aspx#OXMwz07DitLV1I0g.99
This is the first such endorsement from someone who has not been in the first 11 and, for me, is the most telling.
I have criticised Irvine for some of his public comments about Ideye, but this paints a very different picture. Let's just hope it translates now into goals.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 19, 2014, 12:36:09 PM
from the OS, interesting to read the other perspective

Striker says Irvine never stops encouraging him,

ALAN Irvine’s hand is still stinging following a passionate Craig Gardner high-five, as the midfielder celebrated scoring the winner in last Saturday’s derby win over Villa.

And that same hand may still be in danger, with Brown Ideye stating that he would have done the same had he scored.

The Nigerian forward has endured a tricky start to life at The Hawthorns, not helped by an ankle injury sustained scoring his first goal for the club in the Capital One Cup victory over Hull City in September.

But Ideye has revealed that Albion’s Head Coach, who he regards as a father figure, never stops encouraging him.

“The manager is like a father to me - I tell him everything,” said The Baggies’ record signing.

“He is a nice person, and he is also very easy to work with.

“When Craig Gardner scored against Villa he ran over to him and gave him a high-five.

“If I’d have scored I would have done the same.

“He has always encouraged me and told me to keep working hard, even when I was injured.

“He doesn’t like to put pressure on his players because having played himself, he knows that when managers put pressure on players they are more likely to make a mistake.”

Pressure however, is something that ‘Bobby’ may be forgiven for feeling at home.

The 26-year-old frequently faces post-match interrogation from his wife who is a keen football fan, and further questions from his young son.

“My wife is like one of managers,” said Ideye.

“She is a really keen football fan, and she knew lots about the game before we met and got married.

“She is always telling me how I performed and stuff like that after a match.

“My son also asks if I have scored after every game.

“My family want me to do well every time I play.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-wba-albion-brown-ideye-high-five-2152329.aspx#OXMwz07DitLV1I0g.99

There's some really nice comments in there, it's also telling that none of the new boys have been whining to the media about not being played.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 19, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
This love in is fab. But I'd rather have three points every week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
This love in is fab. But I'd rather have three points every week.



Exactly. Where is the evidence where it counts most
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 04:46:50 PM
Has he been sacked yet?

Lets face it, Villa was a fluke and would never have happened without Richardson's moment of stupidity.

Time to go, and take Downing and Kiely with you please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 04:47:09 PM
He should be sacked with immediate effect
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 20, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
He should be sacked with immediate effect

COULDN'T AGREE MORE. SHOW SOME STONES JP AND KICK DOWNING AND KIELY OUT TOO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
Also, the only positive that has been around recently has been the introduction of Varela and Sessegnon starting, which I have been calling for (as well as for Gamboa, Blanco and Ideye) for ages, and this decision was only ever made because Irvine was coerced into it by the fans.

Irvine is continuing to tick along with a result at just the right time such that he doesn't get sacked. With the end of the season that we have, we're sleepwalking to relegation.

Please Peace, I beg you, act now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
He ain't got a clue.JP needs to act tonight
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 20, 2014, 04:57:48 PM
Irvine, Downing and Kiely all to be gone tonight. Very very annoyed about today and how we have threw it all away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 20, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
i've had enough someone let me know when he's gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 20, 2014, 04:58:31 PM
I thought as long as we had a go it didn't matter if we lost?  :-X

We played well, were the better team and a silly penalty conceded by Morrison and two set pieces have cost us. Irvine's not going anywhere. Enjoyed watching us today but gutted at the result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 04:58:51 PM
Irvine, Downing and Kiely all to be gone tonight. Very very annoyed about today and how we have threw it all away.
Even if that's all I get for Christmas I'll be very, very pleased.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2014, 05:00:50 PM
Also, the only positive that has been around recently has been the introduction of Varela and Sessegnon starting, which I have been calling for (as well as for Gamboa, Blanco and Ideye) for ages, and this decision was only ever made because Irvine was coerced into it by the fans.

Irvine is continuing to tick along with a result at just the right time such that he doesn't get sacked. With the end of the season that we have, we're sleepwalking to relegation.

Please Peace, I beg you, act now.

Ideye's been absolutely woeful. Berahino is 10 times the player. Ideye didn't even make the Kiev team last year or any of the Nigeria teams for a reason, he's not very good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 20, 2014, 05:01:22 PM
Irvine, Downing and Kiely all to be gone tonight. Very very annoyed about today and how we have threw it all away.

I'LL DANCE IN THE STREETS IF THAT HAPPENS
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 20, 2014, 05:02:29 PM
All 3 goals were from corners(1st goal indirectly),is there any defending set-piece session in training ?????????????????

Alan OUT
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:03:38 PM
Ideye's been absolutely woeful. Berahino is 10 times the player. Ideye didn't even make the Kiev team last year or any of the Nigeria teams for a reason, he's not very good.
Read my post again. I hadn't included him as a positive. I included him as something I've been calling for.

He's a goalscorer, just look at his record. Unfortunately, not least thanks to Irvine, he's a goalscorer devoid of any confidence. The statement earlier this week was PR rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 20, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
What was wrong today except defending set pieces? If that was Pepe Mel managing us today some of you would be raving about us "having a go". We deserved to win today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 20, 2014, 05:05:17 PM
He won't be sacked tonight. Or any time before the end of January, as JP won't want the new manager to buy new players in the window, but will instead want the new manager to say "It's not my team, I wasn't able to buy players..."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
All 3 goals were conceded through corners(1st goal indirectly),is there any defending set-piece session in training ?????????????????

Alan OUT
I thought Irvine has a great attention to detail in training? So why are we conceding three goals from corners in a game?

Can anyone tell me what it is about Irvine that makes him a good head coach and up to a Premier League job?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:06:14 PM
As a few of us said after Villa, that win is what relegates us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 20, 2014, 05:06:31 PM
Pocognoli was marking Austin. Presumably that was to allow McCauley and Lescott to pick up their two centre backs. BUT that was a massive tactical mistake. You put your best centre back on the oppositions biggest set piece threat an Austin scores all of QPRs goals so clearly he was the man to stop. Alan Irvine is supposedly a master of attention to detail yet he and his coaching team are making basic mistakes - that coupled with the refusal to play Mulumbu in the middle cost us dear today. Morrison needs shooting and Doreens didn't do much better but at least he tried.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 20, 2014, 05:09:53 PM
Forget the local derby, today was a much bigger game. Under Lambert, the Villa will always just about be safe; QPR not so much.

We needed to 'not lose' today as much as anything, and we threw everything away...all 3 goals conceded were from corners as well which has been a feature of late.

From the outside it doesn't look too bad, but we have some dreadful fixtures coming up and end our season with the toughest fixtures of the calender. I just don't see where Irvine is taking us?!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 20, 2014, 05:21:10 PM
Im just gutted

Think we played some terrific football at times but too score 2 away from home and be 2-nil up thats just unforgiveable

3 Set pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry "xxxxxxx" Christmas
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 05:24:04 PM
I can see the players trying for him ,  we played some good stuff today no doubt but i can't see where we go from here . Trouble is who do you get to replace him ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 20, 2014, 05:26:00 PM
I can see the players trying for him ,  we played some good stuff today no doubt but i can't see where we go from here . Trouble is who do you get to replace him ?

said it a few weeks ago. Eddie Howe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
said it a few weeks ago. Eddie Howe.
Left Burnley for being home sick didn't he ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 20, 2014, 05:28:20 PM
said it a few weeks ago. Eddie Howe.
He won't join us, he'd be on a hiding to nothing. He has money, fans and possible premier league with Bournemouth. Get them promoted and he's a Bournemouth legend, get us safe and he's just another Albion manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:30:04 PM
I can see the players trying for him ,  we played some good stuff today no doubt but i can't see where we go from here . Trouble is who do you get to replace him ?
First, make it more attractive to prospective candidates by letting them bring in their own coaches and being prepared to pay compensation. A job in the Premier League is extremely attractive to almost all managers, so I don't buy the argument that there's no one to replace him (though that may be true domestically).

Secondly, Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 05:30:09 PM
said it a few weeks ago. Eddie Howe.



No chance of that but there are coaches out of work more than capable. Let's just hope the owner has already started the ball rolling . With Ted in charge we are going down.remember the last five games. Where is the next result coming from then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 20, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
Irvine's body language today was appalling. Hands in pockets, motionless, no attempt to galvanise the players.  Really poor.

As soon as Berahino came on we looked dangerous up front.  Brown Ideye woeful again - he wouldn't hit a cows backside with a banjo. Doesn't even look a Championship standard player. Yet Irvine wastes 70 minutes before making the change.

I suspect this defeat after throwing away a 2-0 lead will mean Irvine is toast. Gone by Monday hopefully.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
For 45 minutes we were everything all of you lot wanted. We were positive, good with the ball and looked a threat whenever we crossed half way.

The second half was fairly mixed but apart from our pathetic defending at two set pieces I cannot think of anything remotely threatening from QPR.

You lot can continue to blame the manager as much as you want - for me there are eleven players on the pitch that warrant the criticism much more.

Yes Irvine should probably go but today was seemingly a step in the right direction until the absolute absurdity of our set piece defending.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
We might have to think about a temporary manager paid on the remit to keep us up and review at the end of the season. Our selection process is so appalling that Peace needs to replace it root and branch in summer. I can't stand his football but might be worth offering Pulis a 6 month contract with that in mind. As others have said I couldn't see him wanting to come permanently.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2014, 05:37:38 PM
We might have to think about a temporary manager paid on the remit to keep us up and review at the end of the season. Our selection process is so appalling that Peace needs to replace it root and branch in summer. I can't stand his football but might be worth offering Pulis a 6 month contract with that in mind. As others have said I couldn't see him wanting to come permanently.
so how will Pulis improve on a manager who's got 6 clean sheets in 17 games? he improves defences true but he won't do all that much in this situation as surely the complaints are at the other end?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 20, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
I'm annoyed with everyone tonight, manager, coach, players, and that horrible Rednapp. I'm pleased that Irvine is giving Brown a chance and also Varela. I'm adamant that he should have put Mulumbu or Yacob on for Morrison at half time, could have been a different game. Or even in the last ten minute take a point three games unbeaten and a point further away from the bottom three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:39:26 PM
I love the suggestions for Tony Pulis I really do.

There's a whole host on here that have criticised Alan Irvine's sides for being boring etc.

And yet these supporters are championing the appointment of Pulis?

When did Pulis ever become the entertainer?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 20, 2014, 05:41:43 PM
Win a game but play poorly "Irvine Out, football too negative"

Lose a game but play well "Irvine Out, need to win games"

Win a game and play well "Irvine lucky, other team poor"

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion Estate Baggie on December 20, 2014, 05:43:45 PM
I love the suggestions for Tony Pulis I really do.

There's a whole host on here that have criticised Alan Irvine's sides for being boring etc.

And yet these supporters are championing the appointment of Pulis?

When did Pulis ever become the entertainer?

Is Irvine entertaining you then ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 05:44:22 PM
Win a game but play poorly "Irvine Out"

Lose a game but play well "Irvine Out"

Win a game and play well "Irvine lucky, other team poor"

No, I simply want Irvine out and have said so since the day it was announced he was taking over.

He should never have been appointed and will take us down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 20, 2014, 05:45:22 PM
I really don't know what to think. I'd like to see if other sides throw away as many GOOD leads as us.

We are back in the days of dreading every corner we concede. Is it the players or the training!?

We have deeper problems, I'd say it all boils down to the set up. Hasn't worked since Ashworth left. Maybe we'd work with Irvine as a coach and an actual manager like Jol in. Be rid of The likes of Downing, Kiely and anybody else behind the scenes who isn't cutting it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
Win a game but play poorly "Irvine Out, football too negative"

Lose a game but play well "Irvine Out, need to win games"

Win a game and play well "Irvine lucky, other team poor"



Only one solution then. Get rid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:45:44 PM
Win a game but play poorly "Irvine Out, football too negative"

Lose a game but play well "Irvine Out, need to win games"

Win a game and play well "Irvine lucky, other team poor"
Yes, basically. No single result makes Irvine a good manager. All performances need to be considered in the context of his managerial record, as that's the most representative statistic. Because his managerial record isn't good enough, neither is he, and he should never have been entrusted with the job in the first place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:47:05 PM
Is Irvine entertaining you then ?

I don't see what difference that makes.

For the record - I think we've been boring for chunks of the season but I'm not the one moaning about the lack of entertainment and then championing the appointment of Pulis.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:47:58 PM
I really don't know what to think. I'd like to see if other sides throw away as many GOOD leads as us.

We are back in the days of dreading every corner we concede. Is it the players or the training!?

We have deeper problems, I'd say it all boils down to the set up. Hasn't worked since Ashworth left. Maybe we'd work with Irvine as a coach and an actual manager like Jol in. Be rid of The likes of Downing, Kiely and anybody else behind the scenes who isn't cutting it.
Exactly. It's the whole coaching environment that exists around the players. It's a) far too comfortable, and b) incompetent.

This results in the complacent attitude that exists in many of our players and has done for some time.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion Estate Baggie on December 20, 2014, 05:49:32 PM
I don't see what difference that makes.

For the record - I think we've been boring for chunks of the season but I'm not the one moaning about the lack of entertainment and then championing the appointment of Pulis.

Both are boring, one is effective and one isn't. If I'm going to have the balls bored off me I would rather have the points too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:53:12 PM
Both are boring, one is effective and one isn't. If I'm going to have the balls bored off me I would rather have the points too.

Albion fans spent years deriding Pulis and everything he stood for.

Regardless of whether he is effective or not, I'm not a hypocrite - I don't want him.

If people want to be hypocrites and champion Pulis then they can.

(not calling you a hypocrite btw!)  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on December 20, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
They will sack him after GATESHEAD knock us out of the FA CUP
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:56:11 PM
i don't agree with the point that if we'd have put yacob or mulumbu on at half time things would have been different. they'd have been exactly the same ,their three goals came from set pieces . terrible defending from everyone concerned. good defenders attack the ball and clear their lines not let the ball bounce around waiting for a tap in . our best defender should be marking austins simple. i thought the days of going two up and throwing games away were over no chance it's like groundhog day . one step forward beating villa three back today . nevermind only city up next defend as poor again and it'll be a cricket score
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:56:46 PM
Albion fans spent years deriding Pulis and everything he stood for.

Regardless of whether he is effective or not, I'm not a hypocrite - I don't want him.

If people want to be hypocrites and champion Pulis then they can.

(not calling you a hypocrite btw!)  :D
I agree, although Pulis would keep us up (and it's debatable-to-unlikely whether that would be the case under Irvine), I don't see him as the answer. Realistically, we need to look abroad and look for an English-speaking manager with the appropriate qualities. If we are willing to pay compensation and let go of our current "coaches", they're definitely out there.

I do worry about Peace's current advisers though, and wouldn't be at all surprised if Burton encouraged the appointment of another down-and-out English coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 20, 2014, 05:57:29 PM
Albion fans spent years deriding Pulis and everything he stood for.

Regardless of whether he is effective or not, I'm not a hypocrite - I don't want him.

If people want to be hypocrites and champion Pulis then they can.

(not calling you a hypocrite btw!)  :D
Best post I have read regarding Pulis and it's true.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
I agree, although Pulis would keep us up (and it's debatable to unlikely that that would be the case under Irvine), I don't see him as the answer. Realistically, we need to look abroad and look for an English-speaking manager with the appropriate qualities. If we are willing to pay compensation and let go of our current "coaches", they're definitely out there.

He also spent what must have been near 40 or 50 million at Stoke.

After each summer their style of football got progressively worse.

He walked out on Palace because their chairman wouldn't allow him an open cheque book.

Why would it be any different here?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:59:54 PM
He also spent what must have been near 40 or 50 million at Stoke.

After each summer their style of football got progressively worse.

He walked out on Palace because their chairman wouldn't allow him an open cheque book.

Why would it be any different here?
I'm agreeing that Pulis isn't the answer? I don't want him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gazberg on December 20, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
Have Pulis and be kept up or keep AI and go down?

Both are boring and both teams would play dull football but staying in the Prem over 'the excitement' of the Champ? Yes please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 20, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Fulham looked abroad with a manager who had a great CV and he ended up being a disaster. Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:02:24 PM
Fulham looked abroad with a manager who had a great CV and he ended up being a disaster. Be careful what you wish for.
Yeah, but if Fulham's (mad) chairman had done his research on Magath he'd have known that he was a long way from being suitable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:03:20 PM
I'm agreeing that Pulis isn't the answer? I don't want him

My question was a general question - not one aimed at you.

I was just strengthening our argument that we don't want Pulis.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
Albion fans spent years deriding Pulis and everything he stood for.

Regardless of whether he is effective or not, I'm not a hypocrite - I don't want him.

If people want to be hypocrites and champion Pulis then they can.

(not calling you a hypocrite btw!)  :D

I would not want Pulis, however more to the point he would not join anyway.

The list of people who would join is very small, hence why we are where we are with Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
My question was a general question - not one aimed at you.

I was just strengthening our argument that we don't want Pulis.  ;D
That has my support  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 06:05:03 PM
Yeah, but if Fulham's (mad) chairman had done his research on Magath he'd have known that he was a long way from being suitable
Due diligence. It's the future.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
I'd prefer it wasn't Pulis but if it gave us a chance to be in the Premiership next season and select a coach then who we were more comfortable with then I'd make that compromise. The question is how long do you give Irvine to turn it around and who do you select if he doesn't? Names on the table before ridiculing other suggestions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 06:05:52 PM
Folks he's staying. That I do believe . Let's just hope we see a good game in the championship. Maybe downing is the problem, we couldn't defend corners then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:08:25 PM
I would not want Pulis, however more to the point he would not join anyway.

The list of people who would join is very small, hence why we are where we are with Irvine.
Which is exactly why Peace needs to review the current policy of retaining Downing and Kiely totally regardless of performance and his unwillingness to pay compensation.

Interestingly, I remember when Mel was sacked, Lepkowski reporting that there were some "extremely impressive" applicants for the job. We ended up with Alan Irvine. That suggests something about the club (probably an unwillingness to bring in coaches and pay decent money) put those candidates off.

The fact there were those impressive applicants in the first place however is very encouraging, and suggests that if we are flexible with our policy we should be able to attract the best. And lets face it, in arguably the best league in the world that shouldn't be surprising.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:09:35 PM
Folks he's staying. That I do believe . Let's just hope we see a good game in the championship. Maybe downing is the problem, we couldn't defend corners then
Based upon what?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 06:09:51 PM
Due diligence. It's the future.

Due diligence at West Brom is to prepare a list of Head coaches who fit the bill and are prepared to work within the constraints put on them (Downing and Kiely) hence why it takes so long to fill the position.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:11:16 PM
Due diligence. It's the future.
Due diligence is important. Unfortunately, our chairman's interpretation of due diligence is to spend 6 weeks interviewing candidates for whom a basic check of their record would tell you they are nowhere near up to a Premier League job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
Based upon what?



I can't honestly se JP doing what most of us want. Can you?
When do we sack ,we won't win against city and unlikely get results against Stoke (see record) and west ham. Maybe after a humiliating cup exit
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:17:32 PM


I can't honestly se JP doing what most of us want. Can you?
When do we sack ,we won't win against city and unlikely get results against Stoke (see record) and west ham. Maybe after a humiliating cup exit
Good, just checking it wasn't based on inside information.

I can continue to live in hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
so how will Pulis improve on a manager who's got 6 clean sheets in 17 games? he improves defences true but he won't do all that much in this situation as surely the complaints are at the other end?

I take your point but Pulis has the knack of converting clean sheets into points on the board.  I've not been one to jump on the Irvine out bandwagon, I've reserved judgement till now, but it is increasingly clear that a decision needs to made sooner or later and the run in unfortunately suggests it is required sooner then other seasons. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 20, 2014, 06:29:54 PM
Sorry but it was a urine poor appointment then and NOTHING that has happened since has made me think otherwise!! >:( As for who else given that it has to be somebody not currently employed then it would have to come from a list consisting of Pulis , Jol, Hughton as experienced prem league coaches, Meulensteen if JP wanted to carry on down his current preferred path or as a total left field appointment McCoist , all of whom could do no worse imo than the current incumbent and would be a more credible option for a chairman that doesnt like being ridiculed !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 20, 2014, 06:30:59 PM
Has he been interviewed about the game yet :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
We don't have a consistent goalscorer and without one of them it doesn't matter much who is the coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 06:34:55 PM
Has he been interviewed about the game yet :-X

Yes - Austin is a quality player whom we kept quite apart from his penalty and two goals from open play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:37:02 PM
Alan Irvine After Match Comments

"We deserved to win the game and the fact that we didn't was down to us not defending well at three corners and not being clinical.

"Austin is a top player. As I said this week when I was Sheffield Wednesday manager I wanted to sign him. He looks a very good player.

"It's bitterly disappointing to leave with nothing as I would have been disappointed with just a point."


(courtesy of BBC sport)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:37:29 PM
Yes - Austin is a quality player whom we kept quite apart from his penalty and two goals from open play.

He's never said that surely?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
He's never said that surely?!
Depends on what you want to hear. :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 06:41:07 PM
Has he been interviewed about the game yet :-X
still looking at his watch but will interviewed soon.
watch this space.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Alan Irvine After Match Comments

"We deserved to win the game and the fact that we didn't was down to us not defending well at three corners and not being clinical.

"Austin is a top player. As I said this week when I was Sheffield Wednesday manager I wanted to sign him. He looks a very good player.

"It's bitterly disappointing to leave with nothing as I would have been disappointed with just a point."


(courtesy of BBC sport)
I fully agree with all he says , is it one defeat too many though ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
He's never said that surely?!

His exact words  "we handled him very well in general play"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on December 20, 2014, 06:46:44 PM
He's never said that surely?!

Christ he sounds like his last days at Wednesday. I know his staying and if he did go we'd get the crownin of downing. but, how better football minds than mine rate Brian McDermott? he's probably on GL from leeds but as an alternative to Pulis
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 06:49:27 PM
if a player has a quiet game against us and scores 3 god help us when man city come next week
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
And so something he hasn't actually said is now being used against him  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 06:58:09 PM
And so something he hasn't actually said is now being used against him  ???

Not sure what you mean, but I repeat His exact words  "we handled him very well in general play"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 07:02:44 PM
Not sure what you mean, but I repeat His exact words  "we handled him very well in general play"
makes you wonder if hes got an eye for talent by saying he wanted Austin whilst at sheff wed, but then you remember he signed chris baird and samaras and reality soon returns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 20, 2014, 07:07:42 PM
makes you wonder if hes got an eye for talent by saying he wanted Austin whilst at sheff wed, but then you remember he signed chris baird and samaras and reality soon returns.


No the club signed Baird and Samaras.  Irvine doesn't make the signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 07:13:31 PM

No the club signed Baird and Samaras.  Irvine doesn't make the signings.
are you sure, because Irvine said he doesn't have much say in recruitment, then 5 days later says the opposite.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 07:17:50 PM
are you sure, because Irvine said he doesn't have much say in recruitment, then 5 days later says the opposite.

Both have been on our radar for years. We tried signing Baird under Hodgson so I would definitely say both were club signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 07:18:41 PM
are you sure, because Irvine said he doesn't have much say in recruitment, then 5 days later says the opposite.

Depends on what you want to hear.  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 20, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
Love the official site headline from Irvine -

'Penalty was turning point.'

Er, we were 2-0 up!!!

Conceding ONE goal - nice one Morrison by the way - should not have been THREE.

It's like the team just gave up after 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 20, 2014, 07:31:27 PM
We don't have a consistent goalscorer and without one of them it doesn't matter much who is the coach.
11th commandment............if you score twice in this league ´thou must not lose ´this wasnt about having a goalscorer this was about individual and collective mistakes from set pieces , then add a touch of lack of bottle = recipe for defeat !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: divinewind on December 20, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
Doesn't matter who he wants to sign Albion "coaches" have no say in comings and goings or who their backroom staff is.
As long as this is the case, the the Alan Irvines of football will be all we will be able to attract.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 20, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
Love the official site headline from Irvine -

'Penalty was turning point.'

Er, we were 2-0 up!!!

Conceding ONE goal - nice one Morrison by the way - should not have been THREE.

It's like the team just gave up after 30 minutes.
A 2-0 scoreline always hinges on the third goal so for it to be a dubious pen it no doubt knocked us back.  I was checking on Sky Sports App and reading that we were far the better side - it is a tough place to go at the moment.

When it was 2-0 I told the misses if QPR score we would lose 3-2 without a doubt - should have sky betted it at 1-2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 20, 2014, 07:59:51 PM
I keep refreshing these forums and Twitter in the hope of seeing he has gone...yet to see what I would. like though sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
Not sure what you mean, but I repeat His exact words  "we handled him very well in general play"
So in your initial post you paraphrased him (picked up by caravanc58) and then when you quoted him you haven't included the full quote.

"He was a real handful for us, we handled him very well in general play but on those three occasions he was good enough certainly to get the two goals from the corners, we highlighted his movement before the game and obviously he scored the penalty."

Criticise him for not making grammatical sense maybe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 08:09:22 PM
I am sure it has been discussed to death but our recruitment model, as I understand it, is the coaches identify what the team needs, the recruitment staff identify players that fit that criteria, the board says what we can afford and between all parties we agree our targets?  Not one individual has responsibility for who is or isn't brought in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 08:10:53 PM
I am sure it has been discussed to death but our recruitment model, as I understand it, is the coaches identify what the team needs, the recruitment staff identify players that fit that criteria, the board says what we can afford and between all parties we agree our targets?  Not one individual has responsibility for who is or isn't brought in.
Yep, that's the best summary of it. I hope that's what happens in reality too, because it would be poor if the head coach had no input
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 20, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
The misses (who knows very little about footy) just said to me "well, at least you scored a few, you said the other week you'd rather go down fighting than a bored to death loss". She has a point, but still, I feel losing that game has put on firmly on a path to going down. we need to have 38 points minimum going into the last 4 or 5 games.

We need to be played 17, with 21 points at this point to realistically think we can stay up.

Bobby having a decent game is good and Varela playing well is a bonus, because scoring will win games, but letting a 2 goal lead slip for like the 4th time in 2 years isn't good enough and the coaches need to leave. Not AI maybe, but downing and co need to move on, we need fresh blood and ideas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
So in your initial post you paraphrased him (picked up by caravanc58) and then when you quoted him you haven't included the full quote.

"He was a real handful for us, we handled him very well in general play but on those three occasions he was good enough certainly to get the two goals from the corners, we highlighted his movement before the game and obviously he scored the penalty."

Criticise him for not making grammatical sense maybe.

I have not criticised him for anything as regards his comments, I simply responded to a question.

Perhaps that does not suit your agenda.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 20, 2014, 08:23:08 PM
I think we need to review the whole 'model'. This head coach business hasn't worked well for some time now. Lets face it when Roy was here it was obvious that he had more control than most. A system where others identify transfer targets can't be good. We are hearing discontent with similar set ups at Spurs and Sunderland from head coaches regarding recruitment. I'd like to see us go back to a more conventional setup personally.  A good manager who is allowed to bring in his own staff and identify the players he wants.






Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on December 20, 2014, 08:26:27 PM
I am sure it has been discussed to death but our recruitment model, as I understand it, is the coaches identify what the team needs, the recruitment staff identify players that fit that criteria, the board says what we can afford and between all parties we agree our targets?  Not one individual has responsibility for who is or isn't brought in.

Anelka struck me as a flat out Clarke signing, I know its been a couple of years and things may have changed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 08:29:23 PM
I have not criticised him for anything as regards his comments, I simply responded to a question.

Perhaps that does not suit your agenda.
I have no agenda other than to highlight when others are inaccurate or misleading.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 08:35:41 PM
I have no agenda other than to highlight when others are inaccurate or misleading.

The agenda comment was made as I and others were accused earlier (not by you) of having an agenda against Irvine simply because in our opinion We think he will take us down.

My aim is not to mislead anyone, I simply express an opinion, surely that is what the forum is for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on December 20, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
Let's not fight among ourselves ultimately it is something we have no control over, and, it is Christmas :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 08:45:08 PM
Time for him and the others to go. He picks the team, he picks the tactics and makes the in game decisions. Somewhere along the line it isn't working and regardless of how nice he is, to me from evidence seen at games he is not upto this job and needs to go along with the rest of the coaching staff and if need be Burton as well as the recruitment of head coach and players (with exception of Varela and Lescott who look on a different level to the rest of the squad plus I would add Pocognoli to that as he is a massive improvement on Ridgewell) is not good enough and someone needs to be held to account.

Dean Kiely was quick to self congratulate himself not long ago about how well we dealt with set pieces, well time to slate yourself today Dean as we didn't deal with them.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 08:49:25 PM
Time for him and the others to go. He picks the team, he picks the tactics and makes the in game decisions. Somewhere along the line it isn't working and regardless of how nice he is, to me from evidence seen at games he is not upto this job and needs to go along with the rest of the coaching staff and if need be Burton as well as the recruitment of head coach and players (with exception of Varela and Lescott who look on a different level to the rest of the squad plus I would add Pocognoli to that as he is a massive improvement on Ridgewell) is not good enough and someone needs to be held to account.

Dean Kiely was quick to self congratulate himself not long ago about how well we dealt with set pieces, well time to slate yourself today Dean as we didn't deal with them.

Where are your facts? (sorry VVVAlbion only joking  ;D)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 08:49:33 PM
Time for him and the others to go. He picks the team, he picks the tactics and makes the in game decisions. Somewhere along the line it isn't working and regardless of how nice he is, to me from evidence seen at games he is not upto this job and needs to go along with the rest of the coaching staff and if need be Burton as well as the recruitment of head coach and players (with exception of Varela and Lescott who look on a different level to the rest of the squad plus I would add Pocognoli to that as he is a massive improvement on Ridgewell) is not good enough and someone needs to be held to account.

Dean Kiely was quick to self congratulate himself not long ago about how well we dealt with set pieces, well time to slate yourself today Dean as we didn't deal with them.
Hahaha, he does that a lot doesn't he? The guy's a moron.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 20, 2014, 08:49:59 PM
Let's not fight among ourselves ultimately it is something we have no control over, and, it is Christmas :)

You're right. We might have differing opinions but it all stems from us caring so mch about the club and being mind-numbingly frustrated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 08:50:46 PM
The agenda comment was made as I and others were accused earlier (not by you) of having an agenda against Irvine simply because in our opinion We think he will take us down.

My aim is not to mislead anyone, I simply express an opinion, surely that is what the forum is for.

I appreciate it may not have been your aim but on this occasion, as shown, the first quote was inaccurate and the second misleading.
Football is an emotional game and full of opinions and I respect a well argued opinion (even when its wrong ;D).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 08:51:15 PM
Where are your facts? (sorry VVVAlbion only joking  ;D)

 :D My fingers typed the words to describe the pitcures that my eyes have seen, thats a fact
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 09:02:29 PM
Time for him and the others to go. He picks the team, he picks the tactics and makes the in game decisions. Somewhere along the line it isn't working and regardless of how nice he is, to me from evidence seen at games he is not upto this job and needs to go along with the rest of the coaching staff and if need be Burton as well as the recruitment of head coach and players (with exception of Varela and Lescott who look on a different level to the rest of the squad plus I would add Pocognoli to that as he is a massive improvement on Ridgewell) is not good enough and someone needs to be held to account.

Dean Kiely was quick to self congratulate himself not long ago about how well we dealt with set pieces, well time to slate yourself today Dean as we didn't deal with them.

Firstly,  didn't we do pretty much all of that last season?  (Which is how we find ourselves in the transitional position we are in now?)
Secondly,  if we went to the extremes you suggest, how far do you think we would plummet?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 20, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
problem we have sack Irvine then dingle keith is put in charge yet again then what ??? needs the 4 to go it aint working.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 20, 2014, 09:07:23 PM
The misses (who knows very little about footy) just said to me "well, at least you scored a few, you said the other week you'd rather go down fighting than a bored to death loss". She has a point, but still, I feel losing that game has put on firmly on a path to going down. we need to have 38 points minimum going into the last 4 or 5 games.

We need to be played 17, with 21 points at this point to realistically think we can stay up.

Bobby having a decent game is good and Varela playing well is a bonus, because scoring will win games, but letting a 2 goal lead slip for like the 4th time in 2 years isn't good enough and the coaches need to leave. Not AI maybe, but downing and co need to move on, we need fresh blood and ideas.


Not from where I was sat on the halfway line.  Were we watching the same game? He was shocking and never looked like scoring in a month of a Sundays.

Our only goalscoring striker is wasted on the bench every week and that alone is going to send us down.

If its true that our recruitment team spent £10m on Brown then they need to be held accountable.  No wonder JP doesn't like spendjng big on transfer fees.

Varela was a huge plus. Brings a totally new dimension to our side. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Firstly,  didn't we do pretty much all of that last season?  (Which is how we find ourselves in the transitional position we are in now?)
Secondly,  if we went to the extremes you suggest, how far do you think we would plummet?

Firstly, so there is obviously a problem that involves the entire coaching staff then as improvement is not being made. Money is being wasted on players that are no better than what we have and are in some cases not even getting a place on the bench despite injuries to Brunt and Anichebe who are considered by our Head Coach to be automatic choices. That same scenario has also happened over the past few years, yet the new man Mr Burton has done the same again and also brought in an untried Head Coach for a club in its fifth successive season in the top flight as we cannot attract the top guys who if not being forced to work with a ready made coaching staff would be interested in the job I would guess.

Secondly, why would we plummet ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on December 20, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
Dean Kiely was quick to self congratulate himself not long ago about how well we dealt with set pieces, well time to slate yourself today Dean as we didn't deal with them.

Kiely was in charge of set piece defence under Hodgson, and we hardly allowed any goals from corners then. Maybe this has more to do with the players?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, only pointing out this may be a more complicated matter.)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 09:10:36 PM
My only problem with sacking Irvine is 1. Who the hell could we tempt ?
                                                            2. Another 5 week search although I'd be surprised if JP fell in that trap again.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 09:11:03 PM
Kiely was in charge of set piece defence under Hodgson, and we hardly allowed any goals from corners then. Maybe this has more to do with the players?

As I said the point being he was quick to congratulate himself previously, wasn't that then also down to the players ?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 20, 2014, 09:11:37 PM
Firstly, so there is obviously a problem that involves the entire coaching staff then as improvement is not being made. Money is being wasted on players that are no better than what we have and are in some cases not even getting a place on the bench despite injuries to Brunt and Anichebe who are considered by our Head Coach to be automatic choices. That same scenario has also happened over the past few years, yet the new man Mr Burton has done the same again and also brought in an untried Head Coach for a club in its fifth successive season in the top flight as we cannot attract the top guys who if not being forced to work with a ready made coaching staff would be interested in the job I would guess.

Secondly, why would we plummet ?
With only three players we are going to struggle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on December 20, 2014, 09:12:47 PM
As I said the point being he was quick to congratulate himself previously, wasn't that then also down to the players ?

Could be. The whole thing baffles me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
My only problem with sacking Irvine is 1. Who the hell could we tempt ?
                                                            2. Another 5 week search although I'd be surprised if JP fell in that trap again.

Let them bring in their own staff and you may be surprised who would be interested, to expect them to work with ready made coaching set-up would rule out many who like their own people around them, people they have worked with for a number of years and trust totally.

I would hope the search began as soon as Irvine was appointed as the club claimed they are constantly watching people which does beg the question of why things get dragged out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 20, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
Let them bring in their own staff and you may be surprised who would be interested, to expect them to work with ready made coaching set-up would rule out many who like their own people around them, people they have worked with for a number of years and trust totally.

I would hope the search began as soon as Irvine was appointed as the club claimed they are constantly watching people which does beg the question of why things get dragged out.

Totally agree, however I can't see Peace changing things.

The reason we are stuck with Irvine is no one of any real standing in the game is likely to accept the handcuffs placed upon them within the current setup.

Our only hope would be that someone like Hodgson with a point prove would be available at the right time, even then I doubt it would happen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 20, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Kiely was in charge of set piece defence under Hodgson, and we hardly allowed any goals from corners then. Maybe this has more to do with the players?

(I'm not disagreeing with you, only pointing out this may be a more complicated matter.)
I suspect Hodgson also had a hand in assisting with set-pieces
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 20, 2014, 09:46:04 PM
Rumour at the time was that Appleton was in charge of set pieces but Roy must have had an input.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
Find it a sad indictment that our club and us as fans now think we are incapable of employing a manager/head coach with the required experience after 5 years in the premiership, are we really that far down the pecking order or such an unattractive club to manage.
Have to say that the first 30 minutes today we played some excellent stuff and would be nowhere near a relegation scrap if only we could maintain it all match and consistently show such a threat going forward.
Fine lines determine football results and had we won today it would have been deserved in my opinion.
Irvine was close to getting it right today and victory would have given him and the players a massive confidence boost but he should have made a change midway through the second half , and was let down badly by some of the players who should be capable of guiding us to at least a draw when 0-2 up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 10:17:17 PM
I wonder if JP is thinking about a game of Stick or Twist right now  :-X
Better football today but our points tally is worrying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 20, 2014, 10:18:44 PM
His comments after the match defy logic.

Oh, and I couldn't give a shiny pooh if the players love working with him. If it doesn't deliver on the pitch it counts for nothing.

Frankly, earning £25k p/w is enough to put up with being miserable and being made to earn your pennies.

There is something rotten deep within the club, that's eating away at it's soul. Can't put my finger on it, but people need to start being held to account. Starting with the HC and his back room team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggies37 on December 20, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
I think we need to review the whole 'model'. This head coach business hasn't worked well for some time now. Lets face it when Roy was here it was obvious that he had more control than most. A system where others identify transfer targets can't be good. We are hearing discontent with similar set ups at Spurs and Sunderland from head coaches regarding recruitment. I'd like to see us go back to a more conventional setup personally.  A good manager who is allowed to bring in his own staff and identify the players he wants.

Now were talking.  Spot on.  Root of many of our problems.  How many 'good' transfers have we made in the last 18 months?
Head "Coach" policy?  I've having my doubts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2014, 11:23:18 PM
Find it a sad indictment that our club and us as fans now think we are incapable of employing a manager/head coach with the required experience after 5 years in the premiership
Wigan had 9 years but were still terrified of losing Martinez as they knew they would never replace him (and it seems that they haven't)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 20, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
Today was simply about leadership in my view or rather  a lack of! Leadership on the field would've meant wisdom, poc and Morrison would not be allowed to 'defend' like they did for the goals and proactive leadership off it from Irvine to change the flow of a game when needed ie second half. This could suggest a cosy working atmosphere with a lack of ownership or maybe just a lack of skill or even simple panic. I personally think overall we have good enough defenders, good enough midfielders but not good enough forwards. Character-wise, it appears much of that team is similar to me (certainly no onfield McInnes). Even Burton, Irvine, Downing, Kelly and Kiely appear to be good solid hard working characters (of course my perception). Often a team needs to recruit (coaches and players) in context e.g. Roy Keane is an @rse but worked well in a Man Utd team full of quieter characters. He would've prevented the beckhams etc going inward.

Football side: I don't believe the coaching team will work unless at least one stronger character is recruited, same for the players where a couple of stronger characters are needed on the pitch (losing leads has gone on for too long for it not be deeper).

Recruitment: Who will take the blame for consistent failings? People? The committee system (does it breed a lack of ownership)?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 21, 2014, 12:51:48 AM
Doesn't know how to defend
Doesn't know how to attack
Doesn't know how to entertain
Doesn't know he has 3 subs, isn't aware how to fully utilise bench.

His team selections are predictable and are not providing the yield of points we need to stay in league. Our wins v Leicester and villa have both been very fortunate. We don't look like beating the dross around us. Last 2 away games hav been shambolic.

Irvine or the club who goes?

For me get him out now were just wasting matches. Get rid of downing and kiely and let the replacement bring their own people. I can't see us getting anything from the next 3 legue games except a couple of hidings
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 21, 2014, 01:18:39 AM
I keep reading about the problems deep within but they are  out in the open where everyone can see.
We have assembled a team with little pace in defence, midfield or attack, Very few of the team are match winners. We have cast offs and players that are not consistent enough for the PL.
I'm not sure it makes much difference who plays as we only have a small amount of players that can turn a game. The rest , try as they will , just do not have the skill levels, speed or ability to perform better than we see each week.
I agree the team selections are not helping. AI has given us some attacking players lately but our midfield is slow and unskilled and all seem to play exactly the same way.We need a midfield general who can pass. attack and put in crunching tackles to help at the back. We haven't had one for years.
I see this team staying up whomever the coach is, I just don't see us becoming a top 10 team unless we offload some of the dead wood and bring in more talented players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 21, 2014, 01:40:53 AM
Find it a sad indictment that our club and us as fans now think we are incapable of employing a manager/head coach with the required experience after 5 years in the premiership, are we really that far down the pecking order or such an unattractive club to manage.

I'm afraid you have hit the nail on the head with this statement
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 21, 2014, 08:27:13 AM
When we took him on it was premiership years down the pan.if JP pulls the trigger my fear it's going to be too late and to have this bloke in charge in the championship is unthinkable  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 21, 2014, 09:18:01 AM
I keep reading about the problems deep within but they are  out in the open where everyone can see.
We have assembled a team with little pace in defence, midfield or attack, Very few of the team are match winners. We have cast offs and players that are not consistent enough for the PL.
I'm not sure it makes much difference who plays as we only have a small amount of players that can turn a game. The rest , try as they will , just do not have the skill levels, speed or ability to perform better than we see each week.
I agree the team selections are not helping. AI has given us some attacking players lately but our midfield is slow and unskilled and all seem to play exactly the same way.We need a midfield general who can pass. attack and put in crunching tackles to help at the back. We haven't had one for years.
I see this team staying up whomever the coach is, I just don't see us becoming a top 10 team unless we offload some of the dead wood and bring in more talented players.

How do we know if certain players can turn a game such as Gamboa (has pace) and Irvine gives him a few minutes to try and influence things and Blanco who doesn't get in the squad of 18. What was the bench about yesterday other than Gamboa and Berahino all defenders of the same type who will not influence a game by bringing them on.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 21, 2014, 09:37:02 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this but JP needs to go cap in hand to Pulis.

He needs to give him a bit of money in January to allow him to get some of the trouble makers out the club.

He needs to be allowed to bring in his own people and the likes of Downing and kiely need to go.

Because we all know that pulis would keep us up and if I'm honest the football cannot be any worse than it is now.

Otherwise Pulis will go to hull or leicester and he'll keep them up.

And this is coming from someone who hates the idea of the cap wearing prat running up and down the touch line.

Act now JP before it's too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 21, 2014, 09:46:11 AM
No yellow bar on sky yet then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 21, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
No yellow bar on sky yet then

Nope.

He's safe. As I said last week the win against villa has probably done more damage than good as he's safe now until at least the middle of jan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 21, 2014, 09:52:24 AM
The next three games are possibly where  his future is decided. He's only still in a job because we ain't bottom three yet
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 21, 2014, 09:53:44 AM
Nope.

He's safe. As I said last week the win against villa has probably done more damage than good as he's safe now until at least the middle of jan.

If we lose the next three games which against Man City, Stoke and West Ham which is very possible and we will be in the bottom three he could be gone before the Gateshead cup game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on December 21, 2014, 09:54:09 AM
Irvine's happily adhered to the long running clique which has been fostered over many months in the hope a happy camp can keep us in the EPL in 14-15.  He's constantly ignored players superior to others enjoying regular starting positions.  It's not just yday it's been happening for 4 solid months.  Also by nature Irvine is not a risk taker which is why he doesn't use subs effectively.  He needs to go with Downing and Kiely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 21, 2014, 10:50:57 AM
I've seen some excellent comments on here from all angles wether AI should stay or go, yesterday for me was probably the final straw. To lose to a relegation rival after being two up is inexcusable.

The argument that the players have let him down has run dry with me. I have read over the past few weeks comments from players singing his praises, how they love training, what a nice man he is and Brown even stating he was his father figure. Show it on the pitch, run that extra mile. Are our players good enough.......well I think we have a better team then QPR so our loss yesterday must have been down to two things our players not wanting it more then QPR or the failure in our coach to react and change tactics throughout the game. Maybe both.

And this is my biggest problem with AI I think he is probably a very good coach, someone that the players like and enjoy training with, in the heat of a game he can't and doesn't know how to respond to the flow of the game. I think he would be great sat next to a manager and offering his opinion but the crux for me is that he is not a gaffer.

The coaching system has let us down it worked for short period but has shown up major weaknesses. The club at this stage needs a leader, a strong personality, a manager. Would I have a pint with him yes, can I see him filling my belly with fire and brimstone before a game no not really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 21, 2014, 11:12:24 AM
AI i think has run his course most of the games have been tactically very poor, his ability to go to a plan b when things are not going well or indeed like yesterday when they were going weell but needed a couple of second half tweaks to keep them going well.
I was in the ground unusually early yesterday so i went to the Springbok pub, which used to be away fans now is home fans only, could not get in , so went pass the ground entrance and the team coach was just pulling in, i have to say looking at the faces and negative reaction of a lot of players to the few fans that were there surprised me especially after Villa result , and Berihino had his hoodie up and did not acknowledge the fans at all . i thought aye up that could be 15M + copming our way in january.
the other thing that struck me during the warm up was the amount of back room staff on the pitch there was almost as many as the players at one stage i counted 9, no wonder there is so much ineptitude and indecision within the team with all that lot having a say.
JP you have got to clear them all out get a proven manager in and let him bring his own people , then we might have a good chance of staying in the division
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 21, 2014, 12:38:29 PM
Some very good posts above.
We have only ever looked like a team safe in the Prem with an experianced  manager Roy Hodgson.
We are playing roulette when keep employing coaches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 21, 2014, 12:44:38 PM
I can't believe he's still here. We might as well start preparing ourselves for relegation because that's where we're going with him in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 21, 2014, 02:00:01 PM
Similarities between him at this stage and the stage that Clarke got the boot for. Players all like him but we are devoid of confidence and will really struggle to get any back especially throwing away a 2 goal lead like yesterday. We need a run of games without a loss to get confidence and I simply can't see it happening as we don't seem to have a clue what to do, he definitely needs to go but the issues don't just lie with him. There needs to be a clear out of coaching staff, some players need to go too and the way that things are run from above may need tweaking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 21, 2014, 02:04:25 PM
Similarities between him at this stage and the stage that Clarke got the boot for. Players all like him but we are devoid of confidence and will really struggle to get any back especially throwing away a 2 goal lead like yesterday. We need a run of games without a loss to get confidence and I simply can't see it happening as we don't seem to have a clue what to do, he definitely needs to go but the issues don't just lie with him. There needs to be a clear out of coaching staff, some players need to go too and the way that things are run from above may need tweaking.
The difference is that we won't get away with it this year because of our run-in.

The only thing that could change my mind is a sacking after the Manchester City game, and a quick, bold, positive appointment with Downing and Kiely being released. We can't afford six weeks with those two in charge, and we can't afford another dull, uninspiring appointment.

Anything else and we're down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 21, 2014, 02:07:13 PM
Irvine ain't the problem sorry.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 21, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
Our structure will only ever see us get someone inexperienced at the top level like Irvine or Clarke in charge though. We got extremely lucky to get Roy when we did and he is the type we are desperate for now, someone with that experience who has been there and done it all when it comes to Premier League football but we have no chance of getting anyone in like that in my view.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 21, 2014, 02:13:47 PM
Irvine ain't the problem sorry.
He's part of the problem. Downing and Kiely are the rest of it. You could also blame Burton if he recommended Irvine's appointment.

Care to expand rather than making random statements backed up without any explanation?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 21, 2014, 02:14:41 PM
Never hid from the fact that I didn't want him as head coach and still don't.
A huge portion of blame for yesterdays defeat lays more to the players than Irvine for me. that first 30 minutes was as good as we could hope for with players at our disposal and would be happy with that level of football.
it proves we are capable of it so why did it go tits up on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 21, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
He's part of the problem. Downing and Kiely are the rest of it. You could also blame Burton if he recommended Irvine's appointment.

Care to expand rather than making random statements backed up without any explanation?
No I agree I meant downer kiely few of the players the lot need to be moved on can't see it happening though they got job for life with us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on December 21, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
Our next two games are difficult and we are likely to lose them and they are the only teams we haven't played yet, but Hull haven't played Leicester and QPR haven't played Palace so at least two of our rivals are guaranteed points.I find this worrying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on December 21, 2014, 03:58:12 PM
If the three clubs immediately below us have outstanding games next time out we will be in the drop zone, I wonder if that might jolt Mr Peace into some sort of action?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 21, 2014, 04:00:17 PM
Amazing to think that the powers that be must genuinely still believe that Irvine is the man for the job. They need drug testing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 21, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
If the three clubs immediately below us have outstanding games next time out we will be in the drop zone, I wonder if that might jolt Mr Peace into some sort of action?
doubt it, as the other hand would be we get lucky at City and we go about 12th.It's so tight that the being in the relegation zone means nothing as you can be halfway up the league 2 weeks later.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 21, 2014, 05:07:24 PM
doubt it, as the other hand would be we get lucky at City and we go about 12th.It's so tight that the being in the relegation zone means nothing as you can be halfway up the league 2 weeks later.

We are not at City we are at home so there's our problem, play negative again Irvine just like against Arsenal and get beat with a whimper! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on December 21, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
We are not at City we are at home so there's our problem, play negative again Irvine just like against Arsenal and get beat with a whimper! 

Remember a rather negative performance against City funnily enough on boxing day by Roy. We got a 0-0 and everyone was over the moon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 21, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
I think tomorrow there will be a meeting and he will be gone.

No idea who I think should replace him though, need to get it right though this time.. non of this Irvine bollox, 99% of fans seen it would come to this the day it was announced.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 21, 2014, 06:57:39 PM
I was just reading back Terry Burton's quotes from when Alan Irvine was appointed, and it occurs to me that our biggest problem with the recruitment of "head coaches" is the club's perception that their most crucial attribute is coaching ability. Although the role is called "head coach", it should be very obvious to those at the top that this role encompasses a hell of a lot more than just coaching ability. At most clubs, you have good coaches working under a manager. That's what Irvine is good at. I'm not questioning his coaching ability, but it's obvious that he doesn't have the other, arguably more important skills to be a good "head coach", regardless of the title of the role. Being a good "head coach" requires the ability to motivate players, instil discipline, design and implement effective tactics, pick appropriate teams from match to match, and make game-changing substitutions. Irvine is clearly lacking in all of these areas. I would have no problem if Irvine was a coach working under a "head coach" who possessed these managerial qualities. In fact, that's exactly how the structure should work in order for us to succeed. To be frank, you don't even need to be good at coaching to be a good "head coach", so long as you have good coaches working under you. It's no use putting on exhilarating training sessions all week if you can't pick your best players on a Saturday. It just seems that somewhere along the line, someone at the top has been sidetracked by the terminology of "head coach", thinking that the most important attribute is what goes on at the training ground. Although that's part of what is needed, there are other, major abilities that are probably more important for a "head coach". This is evidenced by Roy Hodgson's success at the club, a man with clear managerial qualities. As such, if we were to bring in a man with these managerial qualities as "head coach", I'd be happy to see Irvine moved to a strictly coaching role (with Downing and Kiely being released). This may even remove some embarrassment.

Mr Peace, if you're reading this, please take heed.

Here's the article on Terry Burton if anyone was wondering: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 21, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
I suggested this a while ago. As Irvine is undoubtedly a good coach.
Although a new MANAGER may want a clear out. Your post dose offer a way forward IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 21, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
I think tomorrow there will be a meeting and he will be gone.

No idea who I think should replace him though, need to get it right though this time.. non of this Irvine bollox, 99% of fans seen it would come to this the day it was announced.

I'd love this to be the case but I just can't see it. If he was to get the sack I'm sure he would of gone last night much like Clarke did the evening we lost to Manchester City.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:07:03 PM
Amazing to think that the powers that be must genuinely still believe that Irvine is the man for the job. They need drug testing

Or are they looking at their options and thinking who the hell will accept this job with our structure? We will get no better than Irvine or Clarke unless things change.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:10:30 PM
Its an interesting one.  It would be most unusual for a number 1 to be demoted but retained, but in AI's case he's unlikely to get a number 1 job at this level and so might accept a right hand man role.  We need to clear out Downing and Kiely, so there would be a vacancy anyway, but how likely is it that a new manager would want to retain Irvine rather than bring in his own assistant?  A lot of managers would not be too comfortable with that, but some might. 

Jol assisted by Irvine? I could live with that.   In Sherwood's case I'm sure he would want Les Ferdinand but hasn't Les taken a director of football job at QPR?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 21, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Remember a rather negative performance against City funnily enough on boxing day by Roy. We got a 0-0 and everyone was over the moon.

Far from it, a well organised performance against the world's most expensive team. In fact, we could, and should, have nicked it had JT scored instead of hitting the post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
I'd love this to be the case but I just can't see it. If he was to get the sack I'm sure he would of gone last night much like Clarke did the evening we lost to Manchester City.

Wasn't it after a 1-0 defeat to Cardiff ?????
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 22, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
Wasn't it after a 1-0 defeat to Cardiff ?????


Yes it was Cardiff
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 22, 2014, 09:06:28 AM
I'm almost stopping caring, the whole football thing is just losing any appeal to me. :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 22, 2014, 09:07:27 AM
Far from it, a well organised performance against the world's most expensive team. In fact, we could, and should, have nicked it had JT scored instead of hitting the post.

What i would give for a performance like that boxing day.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 22, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
I was just reading back Terry Burton's quotes from when Alan Irvine was appointed, and it occurs to me that our biggest problem with the recruitment of "head coaches" is the club's perception that their most crucial attribute is coaching ability. Although the role is called "head coach", it should be very obvious to those at the top that this role encompasses a hell of a lot more than just coaching ability. At most clubs, you have good coaches working under a manager. That's what Irvine is good at. I'm not questioning his coaching ability, but it's obvious that he doesn't have the other, arguably more important skills to be a good "head coach", regardless of the title of the role. Being a good "head coach" requires the ability to motivate players, instil discipline, design and implement effective tactics, pick appropriate teams from match to match, and make game-changing substitutions. Irvine is clearly lacking in all of these areas. I would have no problem if Irvine was a coach working under a "head coach" who possessed these managerial qualities. In fact, that's exactly how the structure should work in order for us to succeed. To be frank, you don't even need to be good at coaching to be a good "head coach", so long as you have good coaches working under you. It's no use putting on exhilarating training sessions all week if you can't pick your best players on a Saturday. It just seems that somewhere along the line, someone at the top has been sidetracked by the terminology of "head coach", thinking that the most important attribute is what goes on at the training ground. Although that's part of what is needed, there are other, major abilities that are probably more important for a "head coach". This is evidenced by Roy Hodgson's success at the club, a man with clear managerial qualities. As such, if we were to bring in a man with these managerial qualities as "head coach", I'd be happy to see Irvine moved to a strictly coaching role (with Downing and Kiely being released). This may even remove some embarrassment.

Mr Peace, if you're reading this, please take heed.

Here's the article on Terry Burton if anyone was wondering: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/19/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-is-the-best-coach-in-the-uk/


I think it's perhaps you that is misunderstanding the head coach role.
Alan Irvine, like all other "Managers" in the EPL, has a UEFA Pro Licence. To be awarded the licence he has to satisfy the assessors that he is capable in the following areas.

Quote
Professional communication

Communicating with players
Communicating with staff
Communicating with senior management, owners and senior stakeholders
Communicating with the media, wider community and supporters
Communicating with third party talent identification and recruitment agencies
Leadership, management of self and others

Influence and influencing
Practical applications of leadership
Leading and developing staff and associates
Leading winning teams in the modern game
Managing oneself and handling the pressures of management
Decision-making, and time and priority management
Performance management

Tactical understanding of the game and of systems of play
Technical understanding of play and players
Talent identification and recruitment
Performance analysis and purposeful use of data
Seasonal planning and preparation
Weekly planning, preparation and management
Match day management
Understanding and utilisation of physical conditioning, recovery and rehabilitation
Developing and sustaining a winning culture
Football business and finance

Understanding finance
Building a brand
Employment and contract law
Commercial and other revenue opportunities
Marketing and public relations

Read More here http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence (http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence)

So AI's got all the attributes you describe, if he didn't, he wouldn't have got his pro licence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 22, 2014, 09:40:23 AM

I think it's perhaps you that is misunderstanding the head coach role.
Alan Irvine, like all other "Managers" in the EPL, has a UEFA Pro Licence. To be awarded the licence he has to satisfy the assessors that he is capable in the following areas.

Read More here http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence (http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence)

So AI's got all the attributes you describe, if he didn't, he wouldn't have got his pro licence.
AI has ALL of those? SHOW ME THE PROOF because he doesnt show it on a Saturday afternoon!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 22, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
AI has ALL of those? SHOW ME THE PROOF because he doesnt show it on a Saturday afternoon!
AI has ALL of those? SHOW ME THE PROOF because he doesnt show it on a Saturday afternoon!
He must has a memory like a sieve then!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 22, 2014, 10:02:06 AM

I think it's perhaps you that is misunderstanding the head coach role.
Alan Irvine, like all other "Managers" in the EPL, has a UEFA Pro Licence. To be awarded the licence he has to satisfy the assessors that he is capable in the following areas.

Read More here http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence (http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence)

So AI's got all the attributes you describe, if he didn't, he wouldn't have got his pro licence.
So anyone who has a pro licence is fit to manage our club?
If it's that easy why bother interviewing or ever changing managers?
It's like saying anyone who has passed their test can compete with Lewis Hamilton. It's all about levels of competence and understanding and, what sets the truly great managers apart, the things that cannot be learned from a book.
I don't think anyone doubts his qualifications it's his application that is lacking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
It would be interesting to know what kind of targets were set for Irvine when he was given the job to determine whether Peace sees him as failing.
Judging by the mess the club were in at the end of last season,  I doubt the expectations were as great on Irvine as they were on Clarke and to be fair he is surpassing Clarke as we were in 14th spot as opposed to 16th spot after 16 games. I seem to recall significant dissent about the sacking of Clarke and it would appear that, for some, someone factually doing better is clueless and has to go but ultimately is it enough for JP?
I don't think he will go because there is no one significant to replace him and JP will recognise we are in a transitional period and despite the turmoil we are getting enough results and the performances are getting better.  Get a goalscorer in with movement and commitment in January and we will be easily safe by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 22, 2014, 10:22:28 AM
Clarke shouldn't of been sacked is my opinion a year although i have just came to that a year on but hindsight is a wonderful thing we do need stability like a few of our older generation of supporters have said, I would give the next man four years with us and let him try and build something and get good feeling back around the place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Clarke shouldn't of been sacked is my opinion a year although i have just came to that a year on but hindsight is a wonderful thing we do need stability like a few of our older generation of supporters have said, I would give the next man four years with us and let him try and build something and get good feeling back around the place.

For me Clarke should have gone sooner. The club supposedly keep tabs on potential managers (head coaches) so the amount of messing about it took to replace him made that look complete rubbish.

I don't seem to remember significant dissent, there were more folk agreeing he had to go that not. The most dissent came from the London press.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kendo on December 22, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
You have to laugh at some of the rubbish Irvine comes out with, before the OPR game he spouted on about how much he rated Austin, saying he can score from anyware, good  at heading, good to hold up play, find space. Then he said we have got 2 good central defenders to take care of that and he wont loose sleep about him. So what happens he scores 3. He talks rubbish, Still we still have Brown, the brilliant Morrison, Dorrens, and our leader of men Brunt and then Irvine in control. Its looking good for us playing the dingles about October >:
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
You have to laugh at some of the rubbish Irvine comes out with, before the OPR game he spouted on about how much he rated Austin, saying he can score from anyware, good  at heading, good to hold up play, find space. Then he said we have got 2 good central defenders to take care of that and he wont loose sleep about him. So what happens he scores 3. He talks rubbish, Still we still have Brown, the brilliant Morrison, Dorrens, and our leader of men Brunt and then Irvine in control. Its looking good for us playing the dingles about October >:

Won't happen dings will be relegated
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 10:47:33 AM
You have to laugh at some of the rubbish Irvine comes out with, before the OPR game he spouted on about how much he rated Austin, saying he can score from anyware, good  at heading, good to hold up play, find space. Then he said we have got 2 good central defenders to take care of that and he wont loose sleep about him. So what happens he scores 3. He talks rubbish, Still we still have Brown, the brilliant Morrison, Dorrens, and our leader of men Brunt and then Irvine in control. Its looking good for us playing the dingles about October >:
So he was correct about Austin?  Doesn't sound like rubbish?
Is he correct about our two centre halves, both internationals, I'd agree they were good?  Doesn't sound like rubbish?
Did he lose sleep about him? Probably not before the game because he trusted his players to defend competently,  they didn't.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 22, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
Just going back to 3 goals from(ish) corners for a minute. 

In our team on Saturday there are:
- 2 tall centre backs.
- 2 reasonably tall full backs
- 3 average sized attacking midfielders
- 2 smallish wingers
- 1 average sized forward

We do not have the resources to mark more than 2 tall players.  We have 3 very similar midfielders who are much more of an attacking nature than defensive, none are particularly good markers.  As alternatives, Yacob is a good marker, but not tall (and I think Mulumbu normally manages the far post).  Is it a surprise we can't deal with corners?  Not really.  I would say that QPR had 5 outfield players 6' plus and knew we would struggle (6 when hill came on).

So, in our managerial structure who identifies that we need to bring some height into the squad?  Who identifies that we have lots of players with similar attributes and we should be looking at  physically different players?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 22, 2014, 11:21:40 AM
Just going back to 3 goals from(ish) corners for a minute. 

In our team on Saturday there are:
- 2 tall centre backs.
- 2 reasonably tall full backs
- 3 average sized attacking midfielders
- 2 smallish wingers
- 1 average sized forward

We do not have the resources to mark more than 2 tall players.  We have 3 very similar midfielders who are much more of an attacking nature than defensive, none are particularly good markers.  As alternatives, Yacob is a good marker, but not tall (and I think Mulumbu normally manages the far post).  Is it a surprise we can't deal with corners?  Not really.  I would say that QPR had 5 outfield players 6' plus and knew we would struggle (6 when hill came on).

So, in our managerial structure who identifies that we need to bring some height into the squad?  Who identifies that we have lots of players with similar attributes and we should be looking at  physically different players?

Never looked at it in that detail, but you're right we have now conceded 8 goals from set pieces out of a season total of 23, & all 8 in the last 8/9 games. Problem is, if we chose the team to defend set pieces, how will that impact on our attacking options?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 22, 2014, 11:29:37 AM
So anyone who has a pro licence is fit to manage our club?
If it's that easy why bother interviewing or ever changing managers?
It's like saying anyone who has passed their test can compete with Lewis Hamilton. It's all about levels of competence and understanding and, what sets the truly great managers apart, the things that cannot be learned from a book.
I don't think anyone doubts his qualifications it's his application that is lacking.

I was replying to a forum member, who I believe thought that a Manager had a different role to a Head Coach. I was using the Pro Licence curriculum to demonstrate that was not the case, & both had the same qualifications.
As far as Alan Irvine is concerned, I just think he's too honest, I think he lacks guile.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 22, 2014, 11:32:44 AM
i suppose if he keeps us out of the bottom 3 his job is safe. No doubt about it there were signs on Saturday that the football could improve over the coming months.I suppose now you lot going to games need to give them your full backing.I will cheer hopefully but only from my armchair.
I do think Downing and Kiely need a fresh challenge somewhere else though.Thats me being nice today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 22, 2014, 11:34:28 AM
You have to laugh at some of the rubbish Irvine comes out with, before the OPR game he spouted on about how much he rated Austin, saying he can score from anyware, good  at heading, good to hold up play, find space. Then he said we have got 2 good central defenders to take care of that and he wont loose sleep about him. So what happens he scores 3. He talks rubbish, Still we still have Brown, the brilliant Morrison, Dorrens, and our leader of men Brunt and then Irvine in control. Its looking good for us playing the dingles about October >:
No-one can argue with this point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
The club supposedly keep tabs on potential managers (head coaches) so the amount of messing about it took to replace him made that look complete rubbish.

It was revealed by Pepe Mel that the club spoke to him three days after his sacking at which point it was something like another ten days before Steve Clarke's sacking. I think what made it such a long drawn out process is the faffing about we had over Pepe Mel's coaching staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 12:09:53 PM
No-one can argue with this point.

I was going to but VVV Albion beat me to it. what I'd add to VVV's good points are that if Irvine had still said the complimentary things about Austin and then said he was definitely going to be losing sleep worrying about him..people on here would have crucified him for it and for talking up the opposition.

Damned whatever he does by some it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 22, 2014, 12:17:12 PM
I was going to but VVV Albion beat me to it. what I'd add to VVV's good points are that if Irvine had still said the complimentary things about Austin and then said he was definitely going to be losing sleep worrying about him..people on here would have crucified him for it and for talking up the opposition.

Damned whatever he does by some it seems.
He did talk up Austin though didn't he? He listed all of his strengths and did nothing to negate them.
That cannot be argued as it is all based on fact:

He waxed lyrical about Austin.
Austin scored a hatrick.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 22, 2014, 12:25:49 PM
Alan Irvine stated that Austin had a number of strengths to his game. We failed to deal with him.

How anyone can defend the bloke is incredible to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 12:38:31 PM
He did talk up Austin though didn't he? He listed all of his strengths and did nothing to negate them.
That cannot be argued as it is all based on fact:

He waxed lyrical about Austin.
Austin scored a hatrick.

yes but you are contradicting yourself. If you read the original poster he claimed that Irvine talked rubbish and you agreed with him when he didn't talk rubbish at all. He said Austin was a threat and he was a threat, he said we had 2 central defenders capable of coping with him and they should have been, again not talking rubbish.

He didn't do nothing to negate Austin though did he, he picked Lescott and McAuley either of whom should have been good enough to deal with Austin but they chose to leave it to Pocognoli or so it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 22, 2014, 12:41:36 PM
He didn't do nothing to negate Austin though did he, he picked Lescott and McAuley either of whom should have been good enough to deal with Austin but they chose to leave it to Pocognoli or so it seems.

Who's brilliant idea was it to put our left back on their tall, goal scoring striker on set pieces? Our international centre backs were marking other players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
Who's brilliant idea was it to put our left back on their tall, goal scoring striker on set pieces? Our international centre backs were marking other players.

I don't know I'm not privy to that kind of information. It may have been Irvine it may have been down to Lescott, McAuley and Pocognoli.

If you know for sure then please enlighten me.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 12:48:10 PM
It was revealed by Pepe Mel that the club spoke to him three days after his sacking at which point it was something like another ten days before Steve Clarke's sacking. I think what made it such a long drawn out process is the faffing about we had over Pepe Mel's coaching staff.

Yes I know all that Liam so why did our comprehensive lists contain the name of one bloke in Spain and seemingly no-one else ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Yes I know all that Liam so why did our comprehensive lists contain the name of one bloke in Spain and seemingly no-one else ?

Well we interviewed Quique Flores and Thomas Schaaf as well didn't we?

I'm not disagreeing with you. The club were obviously pro-active at first and then dragged it out into a long, silly and quite laughable six weeks. They ended up doing more u-turns than you  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 22, 2014, 12:59:58 PM
In the last two games we've finally got the balance right between defence and attack. Some of the football with Sess, Varela and Brown was good to watch and we looked dangerous as well as being solid at the back from open play. QPR were a more taller and physical team than us and were always going to be dangerous against us at set pieces, same as West Ham. Still, we do need to improve on defending set pieces because it lost us the game at the weekend in which we were the better team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 01:02:21 PM
Well we interviewed Quique Flores and Thomas Schaaf as well didn't we?

I'm not disagreeing with you. The club were obviously pro-active at first and then dragged it out into a long, silly and quite laughable six weeks. They ended up doing more u-turns than you  :-*

We interviewed them yes but seems the bloke we wanted was Mel given how quick we spoke to him. So was the list a long standing one or one that was quickly made up as it seems McDonagh was the fall guy.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: danwatson on December 22, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
If we do replace him the key is that the fans can unite around the appointment. There is zero enjoyment and pure negativity around the ground which is turning people away. For me we push the boat out and go young and exciting and try get Eddie Howe or we have an experienced head in Tony Pulis. If either of those two failed I'd have confidence in us coming back up at least.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 01:30:54 PM
so, how do we think opposition will attack us in next few games, i fully expect an aerial assault.

How does AI defend against this? I would expect to see Dawson, McCauley and Lescott as a back 3. This IMO represents an opportunity to get Gamboa in the side and going forward, together with Poc on the other side.

Lets see plan B Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 22, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
If we do replace him the key is that the fans can unite around the appointment. There is zero enjoyment and pure negativity around the ground which is turning people away. For me we push the boat out and go young and exciting and try get Eddie Howe or we have an experienced head in Tony Pulis. If either of those two failed I'd have confidence in us coming back up at least.

Ive been saying Eddie Howe for ages.

Yes he was homesick whilst at Burnley; but he could move to Bristol and manage us.

Only be an hour from us & a hour from home either way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 22, 2014, 01:39:30 PM
so, how do we think opposition will attack us in next few games, i fully expect an aerial assault.

How does AI defend against this? I would expect to see Dawson, McCauley and Lescott as a back 3. This IMO represents an opportunity to get Gamboa in the side and going forward, together with Poc on the other side.

Lets see plan B Alan.

Probably see an aerial assault from Stoke, but Man City have the players to play around us. I agree with AI, we defend quite well in open play, it's set pieces we have problems with, & I suspect that's more to do with "marking" strategies (zonal or man) than formations.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 22, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
Ive been saying Eddie Howe for ages.

Yes he was homesick whilst at Burnley; but he could move to Bristol and manage us.

Only be an hour from us & a hour from home either way.

Has already turned us down according to Dan Gosling in last weeks Telegraph.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 22, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
Has already turned us down according to Dan Gosling in last weeks Telegraph.

Just seen that; a kick in the teeth.

He is a fantastic manager in the making in my eyes. Seems to have his head screwed on, plays attactive football & seems to buy into clubs policies.

Has an eye for a player too. Real shame.

Dave Jones it is then  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 22, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
I don't know I'm not privy to that kind of information. It may have been Irvine it may have been down to Lescott, McAuley and Pocognoli.

If you know for sure then please enlighten me.

Do you really think that a Premier League team is going to go into a game not knowing who is marking who, and they just decide on the pitch? Really?

This is the responsibility of Alan Irvine, whether or not Downing and Kiely have an input I don't know but he is responsible as Head Coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 03:02:53 PM
Ive been more than willing to give the guy a fair crack at the whip, but I have had enough now, when we went 2-0 up the weekend I didnt have any faith that we would see it through.

Whether that be my lack of confidence in the 'coach' or the team itself I dont know, but what I do know is, since I have supported the baggies, on paper this is the best squad I have seen us have, I cant say the same for the Coaching position however.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 22, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
yes but you are contradicting yourself. If you read the original poster he claimed that Irvine talked rubbish and you agreed with him when he didn't talk rubbish at all. He said Austin was a threat and he was a threat, he said we had 2 central defenders capable of coping with him and they should have been, again not talking rubbish.

He didn't do nothing to negate Austin though did he, he picked Lescott and McAuley either of whom should have been good enough to deal with Austin but they chose to leave it to Pocognoli or so it seems.
Sorry but I'm not having that, are you really suggesting that a meticulous coach would not have a say in who marks who from set pieces?  You say that some won't give him a chance, but this is just defending the indefensible, which is just as bizarre..
I don't like Irvine, but have no personal agenda against him. I have already said that, for me, there were more positives from Saturday's defeat than from last week's win, but he set himself up with his pre match comments about Austin and has to shoulder some of the blame.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 22, 2014, 03:17:20 PM
His post-match comments "We kept him quiet apart from his 3 goals" are just as bad.

I sort of understand his point, but you cant say that to the world. It just oozes stupidity/naivety.

I for love of money cannot see why he is still at the club.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 03:21:41 PM
His post-match comments "We kept him quiet apart from his 3 goals" are just as bad.
I sort of understand his point, but you cant say that to the world. It just oozes stupidity/naivety.

I for love of money cannot see why he is still at the club.

And its comments like the above, that he will never win over the majority of baggies fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 22, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
His post-match comments "We kept him quiet apart from his 3 goals" are just as bad.

I sort of understand his point, but you cant say that to the world. It just oozes stupidity/naivety.

I for love of money cannot see why he is still at the club.

Please tell me that isn't a genuine quote.

He's like our version of Dean Saunders.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 22, 2014, 03:46:49 PM
Please tell me that isn't a genuine quote.

He's like our version of Dean Saunders.

Said something along the lines of we handled Austin well in general.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 22, 2014, 03:47:11 PM
Im sure somebody will post links, but yes it is a quote.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 22, 2014, 03:48:05 PM

I think it's perhaps you that is misunderstanding the head coach role.
Alan Irvine, like all other "Managers" in the EPL, has a UEFA Pro Licence. To be awarded the licence he has to satisfy the assessors that he is capable in the following areas.

Read More here http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence (http://www.thefa.com/my-football/coach/coaching-courses/the-fa-uefa-pro-licence)

So AI's got all the attributes you describe, if he didn't, he wouldn't have got his pro licence.
if you need all those attributes to be a manager or head coach why did our players complain about communication problems with pepe mel when so much emphasis in the required qualifications are being able to communicate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
I have the attributes to be a virtuoso piano player, but i ain't one,  because i don't have the required talent & charisma. Need I finish......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 22, 2014, 05:35:40 PM
if you need all those attributes to be a manager or head coach why did our players complain about communication problems with pepe mel when so much emphasis in the required qualifications are being able to communicate.
Because it's a European standards license, so it doesn't necessarily mean you have to communicate in English. Mel got his Licences in Spain, ergo, he had not issues.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 22, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
I have the attributes to be a virtuoso piano player, but i ain't one,  because i don't have the required talent & charisma. Need I finish......
You also don't have the renown or the respect of the musical community to even have the opportunity to call yourself one. You'd be laughed out for even trying to do so as you have no years of experience or graft as a regular musician.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 22, 2014, 05:52:03 PM
I have the attributes to be a virtuoso piano player, but i ain't one,  because i don't have the required talent & charisma. Need I finish......

So you're saying you can play all the right notes, just not necessarily in the right places?!

Kind of works as an analogy for our Alan....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 22, 2014, 05:59:18 PM
Because it's a European standards license, so it doesn't necessarily mean you have to communicate in English. Mel got his Licences in Spain, ergo, he had not issues.
makes you wonder how he got through the interview process if his English is so bad he couldn't communicate with the players, or maybe el gringo mr peace can speak Spanish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
Im sure somebody will post links, but yes it is a quote.
It isn't an accurate quote  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Sorry but I'm not having that, are you really suggesting that a meticulous coach would not have a say in who marks who from set pieces?  You say that some won't give him a chance, but this is just defending the indefensible, which is just as bizarre..
I don't like Irvine, but have no personal agenda against him. I have already said that, for me, there were more positives from Saturday's defeat than from last week's win, but he set himself up with his pre match comments about Austin and has to shoulder some of the blame.
A meticulous coach identifies the risk, provides a plan to combat it and then relies on the players to enact upon it.  Points one and two appear to be covered.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:01:17 PM
Please tell me that isn't a genuine quote.

He's like our version of Dean Saunders.
It isn't a genuine quote.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 22, 2014, 07:03:12 PM
It isn't a genuine quote.
Well, it pretty much is... I think his words were "we handled Austin well in general play"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
Well, it pretty much is... I think his words were "we handled Austin well in general play"

It pretty much is if you want to take it out of context.

"He was a real handful for us, we handled him very well in general play but on those three occasions he was good enough certainly to get the two goals from the corners, we highlighted his movement before the game and obviously he scored the penalty."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 22, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
It pretty much is if you want to take it out of context.

"He was a real handful for us, we handled him very well in general play but on those three occasions he was good enough certainly to get the two goals from the corners, we highlighted his movement before the game and obviously he scored the penalty."

And that seems pretty much spot on.  It obviously looks worse if one part of the quote is highlighted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 22, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
And that seems pretty much spot on.
The problem is it's hugely naive to come out with a statement praising the way you handled a player who single-handedly won QPR the game by scoring a hat-trick against us, regardless of how well we may or may not have handled him for the rest of the game. Handling a player well on every other occasion in meaningless if you still allow him to score against you three times, and it's a very, very stupid comment, and yet another example of why Irvine will never get the fans onside.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:33:46 PM
The problem is it's hugely naive to come out with a statement praising the way you handled a player who single-handedly won QPR the game by scoring a hat-trick against us, regardless of how well we may or may not have handled him for the rest of the game. Handling a player well on every other occasion in meaningless if you still allow him to score against you three times, and it's a very, very stupid comment, and yet another example of why Irvine will never get the fans onside.
Irvine will never get some of the fans onside as they are narrow and single minded, having determined from day one that he shouldn't have been appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 22, 2014, 07:47:19 PM
Irvine will never get some of the fans onside as they are narrow and single minded, having determined from day one that he shouldn't have been appointed.
He shouldn't have been appointed, as his record dictates. The vast majority of fans still gave him a chance though, and only after 17 games (including 3 cup games), when everything had been going exactly as his previous record suggested it would, and as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday had warned, did fans start to turn at a game (vs West Ham). I don't think that's unfair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:58:35 PM
He shouldn't have been appointed, as his record dictates. The vast majority of fans still gave him a chance though, and only after 17 games (including 3 cup games), when everything had been going exactly as his previous record suggested it would, and as Preston and Sheffield Wednesday had warned, did fans start to turn at a game (vs West Ham). I don't think that's unfair.
40+% win ratio at both his previous clubs. Preston fans demonstrating following his dismissal. Better record as Sheff Wed manager than the previous 10 managers stretching back 15 years. But keep rewriting history.  I imagine some Sheff Wednesday fans are very similar to some of ours. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 22, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
if his record is so good and he is such a top notch coach how come he hasnt been given a chance in the intervening years!?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 22, 2014, 08:14:43 PM
Can i ask if any of 61 fans who have voted "stay or go",  did any of you vote for him to go in the previous round & now see that he can do a job with us or have you always supported him.
I never wanted him & still dont so in the 2 votes i have voted for him to go.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 22, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
40+% win ratio at both his previous clubs. Preston fans demonstrating following his dismissal. Better record as Sheff Wed manager than the previous 10 managers stretching back 15 years. But keep rewriting history.  I imagine some Sheff Wednesday fans are very similar to some of ours. ;)
Wow, got Sheffield Wednesday relegated to League One and had a 40% win ratio in the Championship and League One. Incidentally has a 23% league win ratio here. Sounds like Premiership material...  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 22, 2014, 08:19:02 PM
Can i ask if any of 61 fans who have voted "stay or go",  did any of you vote for him to go in the previous round & now see that he can do a job with us or have you always supported him.
I never wanted him & still dont so in the 2 votes i have voted for him to go.
I did ask if they could show the old poll and the new poll just to see what if any opinions had changed but nothing happened following the request.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2014, 08:22:59 PM
40+% win ratio at both his previous clubs. Preston fans demonstrating following his dismissal. Better record as Sheff Wed manager than the previous 10 managers stretching back 15 years. But keep rewriting history.  I imagine some Sheff Wednesday fans are very similar to some of ours. ;)

Funny you should quote the Sheffield Wednesday managers though. Many of those were competing in the Premier League (and were awful appointments may I add) whereas Irvine had a spell in the Championship and of course league one. His reign in league one was hardly a glowing endorsement of his credentials and that for one reason alone should have seen us stay well away from him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 08:39:51 PM
Sheff Wed and Preston are a totally different kettle of fish. We are believe it or not a Premier League club in our 5th straight season yet the club and some of our fans are acting as though we should be grateful to be there and hide away in the corner like the new boys worshipping the higher echelons of football and thanking them for allowing us in their precious league instead of building each season and actually trying to improve instead of settling for 17th.

Fosters recent comment was embarassing “As long you don’t finish in that bottom three that is the be all and end all.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 22, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Sheff Wed and Preston are a totally different kettle of fish. We are believe it or not a Premier League club in our 5th straight season yet the club and some of our fans are acting as though we should be grateful to be there and hide away in the corner like the new boys worshipping the higher echelons of football and thanking them for allowing us in their precious league instead of building each season and actually trying to improve instead of settling for 17th.

Fosters recent comment was embarassing “As long you don’t finish in that bottom three that is the be all and end all.”
That kind of comment represents the level of complacency that exists in a certain group of our players, bred by the ultra-comfortable coaching environment they are immersed in, and that kind of comment from a senior player makes me think we deserve to go down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 22, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
I think thats spot on Phil and sums up the lack of motivation in the coaching set up.

Yes in reality Foster is proberbly right but where is the motivation and dare to believe attitude of our players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 22, 2014, 08:48:47 PM
Sheff Wed and Preston are a totally different kettle of fish. We are believe it or not a Premier League club in our 5th straight season yet the club and some of our fans are acting as though we should be grateful to be there and hide away in the corner like the new boys worshipping the higher echelons of football and thanking them for allowing us in their precious league instead of building each season and actually trying to improve instead of settling for 17th.

Fosters recent comment was embarassing “As long you don’t finish in that bottom three that is the be all and end all.”
As I've posted before, were Wigan this giant of the Premier League that had weathered the mighty storm of their opposition for nearly a decade? no, it was Oh look Wigan, we have to beat them unless we are the worst team EVAR!! Fulham, Bolton & Sunderland have also been in this position we are in and for longer than we have. 5 years isn't really anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 22, 2014, 08:49:42 PM
Sheff Wed and Preston are a totally different kettle of fish. We are believe it or not a Premier League club in our 5th straight season yet the club and some of our fans are acting as though we should be grateful to be there and hide away in the corner like the new boys worshipping the higher echelons of football and thanking them for allowing us in their precious league instead of building each season and actually trying to improve instead of settling for 17th.

Fosters recent comment was embarassing “As long you don’t finish in that bottom three that is the be all and end all.”
Sweet Jeff, that says it all. Foster's happy now his kids are settled in bloody school!!! Slippers on lads!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
As I've posted before, were Wigan this giant of the Premier League that had weathered the mighty storm of their opposition for nearly a decade? no, it was Oh look Wigan, we have to beat them unless we are the worst team EVAR!! Fulham, Bolton & Sunderland have also been in this position we are in and for longer than we have. 5 years isn't really anything.

Do I care a jot about other clubs  ? Not one bit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2014, 08:58:12 PM
As long you don’t finish in that bottom three that is the be all and end all.

well actually thats correct, if your interest is in maintaining your income.
If your interest is entertaining, building, succeeding year on year then no its not the be all and end all.

Stagnating is my word of the week and I think this quote exemplifies it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 22, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
that quote just sums up the premiership for me, 90% of the league happy to not finish 18th 19th or 20th. it doesn't matter anymore if fans have ambition but their clubs don't, as long as that big chunk of dosh keeps coming in that's all they care about now. even if foster thinks that's true he shouldn't say it publicly it just sends out the wrong message.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2014, 09:38:48 PM
I don't think you're ever established in this division to be honest.

I guess if you offered 17th to Jeremy Peace every season then he would take it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 22, 2014, 09:53:26 PM
I don't think you're ever established in this division to be honest.

I guess if you offered 17th to Jeremy Peace every season then he would take it.
Hence the reason where staring relegation in the eye this season flirting with the dropzone will only lead in one thing eventually.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 07:13:06 AM
The problem is it's hugely naive to come out with a statement praising the way you handled a player who single-handedly won QPR the game by scoring a hat-trick against us, regardless of how well we may or may not have handled him for the rest of the game. Handling a player well on every other occasion in meaningless if you still allow him to score against you three times, and it's a very, very stupid comment, and yet another example of why Irvine will never get the fans onside.
It would be a bit like commenting on the lack of goals from open play because goals from set pieces don't count?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 07:27:41 AM
Funny you should quote the Sheffield Wednesday managers though. Many of those were competing in the Premier League (and were awful appointments may I add) whereas Irvine had a spell in the Championship and of course league one. His reign in league one was hardly a glowing endorsement of his credentials and that for one reason alone should have seen us stay well away from him.
So, you've established Sheff Wednesday were a club already in decline. Alan Irvine took them over in Jan 2010 with them 22nd in the league and is deemed to have relegated them, although in reality almost kept them up only missing out on the last day of the season. They were then on the brink of receivership and had a backroom takeover. You are right, his time at Sheff Wed would not be classed as a success but it is not exactly the massive failure that some have made it out to be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 07:30:04 AM
Do I care a jot about other clubs  ? Not one bit.
You might not care about them but that does not make them any less relevant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 07:44:07 AM
if his record is so good and he is such a top notch coach how come he hasnt been given a chance in the intervening years!?
This is a great arguement. Maybe he has and maybe his experiences made it that he was comfortable not having to worry about the unwarranted abuse and flak that he would get at  head coach level. Maybe the level of any offer was not sufficient to seduce him? Maybe he has never applied for a role (he didn't apply for this one apparently) and it was only a club of our size that could tempt him back into the limelight and, maybe naively,  he looked at our history and thought he would get an appropriate level of support and time from day one.
How many (allegedly) good managers are not currently employed as managers out of choice?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 23, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Beating Villa was worthless if you're going to get turned over at QPR.

For me, enough really is enough and was a number of weeks ago. He is very naive, and out of his depth. The lack of in game management is so poor. Our game was crying out for someone to control the game in the middle take it by the scruff. We effectively let Joey fuggin Barton control it and pass us to death.

I'd love to know the theory of bringing on Gamboa as well in the 92nd minute, very strange.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2014, 09:41:42 AM
fingers crossed he wont be here next season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 23, 2014, 09:47:00 AM
Quite a few football people have praised Alan Irvine, even Old Arry said he was impressed with our 'Attacking play' on Saturday.

Lets be honest folks, most of you havent given him a chance since he was appointed. No one decent wants the WBA job simple as that. Just remember that when Dingle Dave is appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 23, 2014, 09:49:37 AM
Quite a few football people have praised Alan Irvine, even Old Arry said he was impressed with our 'Attacking play' on Saturday.

Lets be honest folks, most of you havent given him a chance since he was appointed. No one decent wants the WBA job simple as that. Just remember that when Dingle Dave is appointed.
Didn't some on here  say they don't mind losing as long as we play 'Attacking Football'.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
You might not care about them but that does not make them any less relevant.

So because other clubs fail we have to follow ?

Why when discussing West Bromwich Albion do they become relevant ? Is it so we can make ourselves feel better by comparing ourselves to others that failed because 5 years really isn't anything ?

Oh how we should feel so grateful for them to allow us to still be here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 23, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
Yes, like i have said AI cant win whatever he does.
I agree he is out of his depth, but he is the Head Coach whether people like it or not.
JP appointed him, if i was in AI shoes i wouldnt have turned the job down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 09:57:54 AM
Quite a few football people have praised Alan Irvine, even Old Arry said he was impressed with our 'Attacking play' on Saturday.

Lets be honest folks, most of you havent given him a chance since he was appointed. No one decent wants the WBA job simple as that. Just remember that when Dingle Dave is appointed.

And that is the worrying thing given a club of our size and stature with a proud history.

I didn't want him, don't want him now but have given him a chance and for 90 minutes each game I back the bloke all the way but doesn't mean I have blind faith like some. I want the best for the club as all do and I have the right to put my opinion across on this forum.

I do also think some of the Pro Irvine camp do make some good points at times but then ruin them with their belittling comments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 09:59:36 AM
Beating Villa was worthless if you're going to get turned over at QPR.

For me, enough really is enough and was a number of weeks ago. He is very naive, and out of his depth. The lack of in game management is so poor. Our game was crying out for someone to control the game in the middle take it by the scruff. We effectively let Joey fuggin Barton control it and pass us to death.

I'd love to know the theory of bringing on Gamboa as well in the 92nd minute, very strange.
3 points is not better than 0 points? Bizarre.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 23, 2014, 10:02:05 AM
And that is the worrying thing given a club of our size and stature with a proud history.

I didn't want him, don't want him now but have given him a chance and for 90 minutes each game I back the bloke all the way but doesn't mean I have blind faith like some. I want the best for the club as all do and I have the right to put my opinion across on this forum.

I do also think some of the Pro Irvine camp do make some good points at times but then ruin them with their belittling comments.

Agree Phil. I am not a huge fan of AI at all but while he is here i will support him, at the end of the day im sure he wants to win every game too.
Comes across as a decent guy as well.
Dont get me wrong if Jol was waiting in the wings i'd get him in ASAP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
So because other clubs fail we have to follow ?

Why when discussing West Bromwich Albion do they become relevant ? Is it so we can make ourselves feel better by comparing ourselves to others that failed because 5 years really isn't anything ?

Oh how we should feel so grateful for them to allow us to still be here.
As they are in the same business/industry/sport as us of course they are relevant.  Do you seriously think that any leading organisation does not look at its competitors to learn from their successes andtheir mistakes. Its why many clubs hold West Brom as the original model they followed to getting into the Premier league.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 23, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
I agree with Oldbury and Aidan. Both good points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 23, 2014, 10:10:31 AM
Teams fail teams succeed should enjoy the ride when the going is good personally I don't take the Mick put them accross the road from us anymore as will be in the same league next season not that is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 10:12:47 AM
As they are in the same business/industry/sport as us of course they are relevant.  Do you seriously think that any leading organisation does not look at its competitors to learn from their successes andtheir mistakes. Its why many clubs hold West Brom as the original model they followed to getting into the Premier league.

As I said I (as in ME !!) do not give a jot about other clubs. I would expect the relevant people at the club to be interested in what goes on elsewhere but for me I don't give a monkeys.

But as you responded with the above. So we have to fail because others have ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:17:30 AM
As I said I (as in ME !!) do not give a jot about other clubs. I would expect the relevant people at the club to be interested in what goes on elsewhere but for me I don't give a monkeys.

But as you responded with the above. So we have to fail because others have ?
Is being in 15th failing based on the position that we found ourselves at the end of last season?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 23, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
I know I’m probably in the minority of one but I actually have alot of time for Irvine.  He appears to be a man of integrity and I respect his honesty, diligence and thorough preparatory work.  I know some may choose not to believe it but based on what I have read I genuinely believe he is a top coach and it also appears that he is very fair with the players.

I also believe that there are signs that his team is improving, putting aside the defending of set pieces for a second we generally look solid defensively, I also think the whole team has improved significantly ‘without the ball’ this season.   The big problem has been creativity but against QPR (who by the way have the 5th best home form in the league) there were periods when we played some scintillating stuff with Sess and Varela in particular wreaking havoc.  Hopefully the combination and growing understanding between these two dangerous players will remedy much of what we have lacked so far this season.

I honestly don’t view this team as one which is staring relegation in the mouth but one that with a few tweaks, in terms of set pieces and personnel is not far from giving a good account of themselves in the second half of this season.  Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Is being in 15th failing based on the position that we found ourselves at the end of last season?

I don't think I said we are failing anywhere did I ? but the season is a long way from being over so neither of us can predict how it will go. If we finish 17th in the clubs and your eyes we will have succeeded no doubt and we can hide away in the corner for another season in awe of the rest of the league and celebrate like we did the first time we stayed up.

I asked if we have to fail just because others are, two different things.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: popmonkey on December 23, 2014, 10:25:10 AM
We're really not progressing. The only time we've looked dominant over a whole game was against a Burnley side who had zero confidence. There are still too many basic mistakes being made, such as allowing players to run at us without any tackles being put in. We've regressed when it comes to set pieces (both attacking and defending) and too many points are being dropped after avoidable errors by our players.

Without a change, I dont expect anything other than relegation by Easter, and I wouldn't expect us to bounce back any time soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 23, 2014, 10:28:32 AM
I always think when the players start coming out and backing the a manger that the end is nye. I always think it's for show. When players back a manager throughout and from the first moment it's more believable. There's a trend in modern football that the players back the manager when he's likely to go. I am not entirely sure the players want him might explain some of the ridiculous unforced errors from Saturday.

Players can't stop outright as we wouldn't accept it but they are able to do the basics wrong to put a manager under pressure and even lose him his job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2014, 10:32:24 AM
so come them, predict Irvines next win and dont say Gateshead.I cant see one anytime soon = relegation
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:33:18 AM
I don't think I said we are failing anywhere did I ? but the season is a long way from being over so neither of us can predict how it will go. If we finish 17th in the clubs and your eyes we will have succeeded no doubt and we can hide away in the corner for another season in awe of the rest of the league and celebrate like we did the first time we stayed up.

I asked if we have to fail just because others are, two different things.
We have failed.  We did this last year with our poor recruitment and failure to replace players with better players. This has a massive set back in league where you take tiny steps forward and massive steps backwards. It almost cost us our premier league status. We learn from others not to make continual massive wholesale changes but to build slow momentum again, which we are no doubt currently doing. We will finish higher than 17th in my opinion given the current way our squad and play is shaping when compared to the end of last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 23, 2014, 10:37:43 AM
I don't think I said we are failing anywhere did I ? but the season is a long way from being over so neither of us can predict how it will go. If we finish 17th in the clubs and your eyes we will have succeeded no doubt and we can hide away in the corner for another season in awe of the rest of the league and celebrate like we did the first time we stayed up.

I asked if we have to fail just because others are, two different things.
This has stemmed from my post, has it not?

If it has, I'll just point out that that it's not that they failed,not at all.. In fact Sunderland are still going in this position Just that we are NOT at all special in terms of the position we are currently in. You may not care about them, but it's very likely they don't care about us. Doesn't stop the fact that these are all similar clubs in similar positions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
so come them, predict Irvines next win and dont say Gateshead.I cant see one anytime soon = relegation
Stoke ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 10:40:12 AM
We have failed.  We did this last year with our poor recruitment and failure to replace players with better players. This has a massive set back in league where you take tiny steps forward and massive steps backwards. It almost cost us our premier league status. We learn from others not to make continual massive wholesale changes but to build slow momentum again, which we are no doubt currently doing. We will finish higher than 17th in my opinion given the current way our squad and play is shaping when compared to the end of last season.

I agree with much of what you say but for us to finish higher than 17th will take some doing regardless of where we are at this time, long way to go and despite our lack of activity during the January window usually this time we need to use it especially in the midfield department to bring in some quality or start using the players we have more effectively and in correct positions. I honestly fear for us this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 23, 2014, 10:40:41 AM
so come them, predict Irvines next win and dont say Gateshead.I cant see one anytime soon = relegation

Stoke.  And I'm confident.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
This has stemmed from my post, has it not?

If it has, I'll just point out that that it's not that they failed,not at all.. In fact Sunderland are still going in this position Just that we are NOT at all special in terms of the position we are currently in. You may not care about them, but it's very likely they don't care about us. Doesn't stop the fact that these are all similar clubs in similar positions.

I will also just point out that as I have said I (as in ME) do not care about them, I care about West Bromwich Albion.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 23, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
so come them, predict Irvines next win and dont say Gateshead.I cant see one anytime soon = relegation
Luckily the last time someone said that (Jacko I believe) we beat Tottenham, I also can't remember if it was Jacko or yourself (apologies if it wasn't) who said that when we got into the relegation zone that we'd "never get out again all season. Since then we've got out after 1 game and not gone back. so, yeah anything can happen. But the next I expect to win is Hull at home, if the team has the support they require. That does NOT constitute that we won't win 'till then, though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 23, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
Didn't some on here  say they don't mind losing as long as we play 'Attacking Football'.

That was how we played in the first half but in the 2cnd same old same old  :'( must have been a inspiring half time talk thats all i can say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:50:48 AM
I agree with much of what you say but for us to finish higher than 17th will take some doing regardless of where we are at this time, long way to go and despite our lack of activity during the January window usually this time we need to use it especially in the midfield department to bring in some quality or start using the players we have more effectively and in correct positions. I honestly fear for us this season.
I have more concern up front than in midfield. Our midfield have a recognised history of creating and scoring goals, our forwards don't.  People are blaming the midfield for not supplying our forwards butthe forwards have to put themselves in the position to receive the ball. We haven't got a Lukaku, Long, Phillips or Odemwingie making runs or space.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 23, 2014, 10:53:36 AM
so come them, predict Irvines next win and dont say Gateshead.I cant see one anytime soon = relegation

i doubt it will be Gateshead. I predict the following for that game:
a. set up same as ever, negative over cautious
b. get a goal after 15 mins from a set piece - dawson from a corner.
c. stop playing and sit back
d. they throw kitchen sink at us
e. equaliser in 86th minute

sound familar to anyone?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 23, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
I have more concern up front than in midfield. Our midfield have a recognised history of creating and scoring goals, our forwards don't.  People are blaming the midfield for not supplying our forwards butthe forwards have to put themselves in the position to receive the ball. We haven't got a Lukaku, Long, Phillips or Odemwingie making runs or space.

From the little bit i've seen of Bobby i would have said that making runs into space was his main forte.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Morany on December 23, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
I have more concern up front than in midfield. Our midfield have a recognised history of creating and scoring goals, our forwards don't.  People are blaming the midfield for not supplying our forwards butthe forwards have to put themselves in the position to receive the ball. We haven't got a Lukaku, Long, Phillips or Odemwingie making runs or space.

Ideye made numerous good runs against the Villa but didn't get picked out once.

Midfield is the problem. Stale, sideways and negative.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 23, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
I have more concern up front than in midfield. Our midfield have a recognised history of creating and scoring goals, our forwards don't.  People are blaming the midfield for not supplying our forwards butthe forwards have to put themselves in the position to receive the ball. We haven't got a Lukaku, Long, Phillips or Odemwingie making runs or space.

We could do with another striker but I think those 4 masked a few problems with our midfield, its a bit stale now and good servants they have been its time for a change.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 11:07:58 AM
From the little bit i've seen of Bobby i would have said that making runs into space was his main forte.

Berahino has become very adept at making good runs.  But he spends 75% of every game on the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 23, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
Berahino has become very adept at making good runs.  But he spends 75% of every game on the bench.
75% of 2 games is not every game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnny Cash on December 23, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Disappointingly I think Irvine has missed his opportunity to get fans on side. He could have had his own Pardew and Allardyce moment from West Ham, Hull, Villa and QPR.

Sadly its fine margins though and what could and possibly should have been 12 points is instead 4.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 23, 2014, 12:26:26 PM
I know I’m probably in the minority of one but I actually have alot of time for Irvine.  He appears to be a man of integrity and I respect his honesty, diligence and thorough preparatory work.  I know some may choose not to believe it but based on what I have read I genuinely believe he is a top coach and it also appears that he is very fair with the players.

I also believe that there are signs that his team is improving, putting aside the defending of set pieces for a second we generally look solid defensively, I also think the whole team has improved significantly ‘without the ball’ this season.   The big problem has been creativity but against QPR (who by the way have the 5th best home form in the league) there were periods when we played some scintillating stuff with Sess and Varela in particular wreaking havoc.  Hopefully the combination and growing understanding between these two dangerous players will remedy much of what we have lacked so far this season.

I honestly don’t view this team as one which is staring relegation in the mouth but one that with a few tweaks, in terms of set pieces and personnel is not far from giving a good account of themselves in the second half of this season.  Keep the faith.
Have to agree re QPR, we have to acknowledge the positives. I, along with many others, have been crying out for some attacking intent and we got that against QPR, without doubt.
As you say, the poor defending cost us and we need to address that as a matter of urgency, but not at the expense of Varela or Sess.
The biggest problem I think is that, at 2 up, that became a must win game and one time where Irvine needed to step in and protect, but he did look lost and devoid of ideas.
Even with improvement, we are likely to lose the next 3 as, lets face it Man City and West Ham are better than us and Stoke are well..... Stoke.
This will almost certainly see us in the bottom 3 and will be a real test of Irvine's mettle. I for one hope he can find some inspiration, because as much as I think he was and is a terrible appointment, I want to see us playing well and winning games!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 01:23:57 PM
75% of 2 games is not every game

Ok - fair point.  75% of recent games though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on December 23, 2014, 02:37:56 PM
Quite a few football people have praised Alan Irvine, even Old Arry said he was impressed with our 'Attacking play' on Saturday.

Lets be honest folks, most of you havent given him a chance since he was appointed. No one decent wants the WBA job simple as that. Just remember that when Dingle Dave is appointed.

This job is one of the top 50 positions in world football, in terms of budget, profile, media exposure, etc.  Unless they're already in a better position every other football manager should want to be Manager of West Brom.  Problem is that, we're not talking about manager of West Brom.  There are so many constrictions that limit your chance of making a success of it that many would rather not take it than put themselves (and their hard-earned reputations) in a fully compromised position.  Only those that are desperate for any opportunity on any terms will take the role that AI has. 

It would be OK to have a couple of hard working average, never achieved much, but give it their best in our set up.  However, they all fit this description.  We need someone to have the vision to pull it all together to define roles, make sure everyone is working in the same direction, to motivate and inspire and lead... That person is absent.

Our entire strategy is full of holes.  JP has bought together a crack team that are going to turn his dreams into reality.  You already know what comes next don't you... mid-table Championship... 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 23, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
This job is one of the top 50 positions in world football, in terms of budget, profile, media exposure, etc.  Unless they're already in a better position every other football manager should want to be Manager of West Brom.  Problem is that, we're not talking about manager of West Brom.  There are so many constrictions that limit your chance of making a success of it that many would rather not take it than put themselves (and their hard-earned reputations) in a fully compromised position.  Only those that are desperate for any opportunity on any terms will take the role that AI has.

Not sure that I agree with you there Cyn.
I agree that the job is one of the top 50 positions in world football, but by now the constraints must be so well known that almost everybody expects the successful candidate to fail. As a consequence, failure at West Brom would probably not be considered a negative on your CV. Success, on the other hand, might get you elevated to a position as an international manager. It's a risk I think I would take.

Quote
We need someone to have the vision to pull it all together to define roles, make sure everyone is working in the same direction, to motivate and inspire and lead... That person is absent.


Agree with that 100%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 23, 2014, 03:07:12 PM
Its a job where survival is the be all and all (apparently). No aspirations to win anything.

Unless you have zero ambition, are long term un-employed or are coming from obscurity why would you take it??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 03:17:17 PM
Its a job where survival is the be all and all (apparently). No aspirations to win anything.

Unless you have zero ambition, are long term un-employed or are coming from obscurity why would you take it??

You could say that about 75% of the manager jobs in the Premier League where nothing more than survival is realistic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 23, 2014, 03:53:36 PM
You could say that about 75% of the manager jobs in the Premier League where nothing more than survival is realistic.
Nah, some give the cups a go !  Some appoint ex-winners who aspire to re-kindle their careers, just we choose not to do that rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2014, 03:58:51 PM
For me it was the Bournemouth game that right peeded my off, the selection and performance.He are have it on a plate why dont you >:( he will never win me over after that.
Up to that point i was more accepting

My missus came to her first game this one and her first comment after the game was god that was boring, we dont attack much do we
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Nah, some give the cups a go !  Some appoint ex-winners who aspire to re-kindle their careers, just we choose not to do that rightly or wrongly.

I agree with you. That's my biggest bugbear.  If its unrealistic to expect to finish higher than 8th, then the two Cups should be a priority.  Sadly, they are viewed as a hindrance to the chances of staying up.  Very sad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 23, 2014, 05:57:12 PM
I agree with you. That's my biggest bugbear.  If its unrealistic to expect to finish higher than 8th, then the two Cups should be a priority.  Sadly, they are viewed as a hindrance to the chances of staying up.  Very sad.

Don't think that's the case, IMO the domestic cup competitions are very much on the agenda. I think AI put a team out against Bournemouth who he thought could win the tie. I'd be amazed if we didn't put a strong squad out against Gateshead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11208735/The-best-and-worst-Premier-League-player-and-team-stats-from-the-first-100-games-of-the-season.html

Just discovered this article.  Appreciate a little dated and things will have changed but whilst some like to only focus on our club I do find it helpful to bring some perspective to the table.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 23, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11208735/The-best-and-worst-Premier-League-player-and-team-stats-from-the-first-100-games-of-the-season.html

Just discovered this article.  Appreciate a little dated and things will have changed but whilst some like to only focus on our club I do find it helpful to bring some perspective to the table.

Lol, Craig Gardner, 39 tackles and 21 fouls.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 23, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
Be interesting to see a half season report such as this particularly considering we've won only once in the past seven games and (excepting QPR) have struggled to score.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 24, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
I, like most fans would love to be proved wrong regarding AI, but his record isn't great reading.
4 wins from 17 games and that from probably the easiest fixtures to start we have had , but my main concern is his total lack of ability to alter the coarse of a game with tactical changes or subs, he stands there looking at his watch and making no difference to the team at all and if he his this wonderful coach we all hear about i think he should be able to.
i watch most of the coaches who come to the hawthorns making changes to setups and subs all game and effecting the outcome but not AI .
I think he does a lot of homework on a game plan , watching videos and live games and comes up with his "game plan" has he likes to call it, but if plan A doesn't work we are screwed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 24, 2014, 08:03:38 PM
Starting to think the Villa win was the worst possible thing to happen. Kept him in a job.

There's an air of inevitability about the whole thing. Pull the trigger now. Let a new man come in with his own back-room team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 24, 2014, 10:46:05 PM
I, like most fans would love to be proved wrong regarding AI, but his record isn't great reading.
4 wins from 17 games and that from probably the easiest fixtures to start we have had , but my main concern is his total lack of ability to alter the coarse of a game with tactical changes or subs, he stands there looking at his watch and making no difference to the team at all and if he his this wonderful coach we all hear about i think he should be able to.
i watch most of the coaches who come to the hawthorns making changes to setups and subs all game and effecting the outcome but not AI .
I think he does a lot of homework on a game plan , watching videos and live games and comes up with his "game plan" has he likes to call it, but if plan A doesn't work we are screwed.
I think this is a fair picture - Clarke was the same; the Villa game did for him IMHO, he was like a rabbit in the headlights when Villa changed their setup completely, it wasn't even that he didn't know what do, it was almost as if he didn't really think it was up to him to do anything.  Lambert might be a rubbish manager, but at least he behaves like a manager.

Maybe we will look back on the QPR game in the same way as the day Irvine was finally completely exposed in the same way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeb-Dog on December 26, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
My main concerns with the coaching team including Irvine are:-

- inability to change/react to a a game
- no improvement to any outfield players
- every goalkeeper under Kiely has gone backwards, losing the ability to kick and dominate the area (particularly at set pieces)
- conceding from 3 set pieces (one indirectly) in one premier league game is a disgrace, unacceptable at this level
- failure to utilise signing, Gamboa, Samaras and Blanco barely seen despite what you may think of them. Varela and Ideye finally getting game time with the former actually looking good (shock horror)
- never known a head coach/manager so reluctant to make subs. Too scared?
- Mulumbu/Yacob who were so good at the start of the 2012/2013 season replaced by Morrison/Gardner. Morrison a defensive midfielder??

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 26, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
My main concerns with the coaching team including Irvine are:-

- inability to change/react to a a game
- no improvement to any outfield players
- every goalkeeper under Kiely has gone backwards, losing the ability to kick and dominate the area (particularly at set pieces)
- conceding from 3 set pieces (one indirectly) in one premier league game is a disgrace, unacceptable at this level
- failure to utilise signing, Gamboa, Samaras and Blanco barely seen despite what you may think of them. Varela and Ideye finally getting game time with the former actually looking good (shock horror)
- never known a head coach/manager so reluctant to make subs. Too scared?
- Mulumbu/Yacob who were so good at the start of the 2012/2013 season replaced by Morrison/Gardner. Morrison a defensive midfielder??
As being proven at this moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mank baggie on December 26, 2014, 03:37:12 PM
He gotta go now please sack him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 26, 2014, 03:43:08 PM
He gotta go now please sack him

He won't be sacked until January, and then we'll faff about until mid-February to appoint anyone, by which point we'll be cut adrift ahead of our horror run-in.

We've had it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 26, 2014, 03:46:17 PM
It will never happen but how about a bit of honesty from JP instead of the spin as to how we ended up with Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 26, 2014, 03:48:13 PM
He must go tonight and take his cronies and pinky and perky with him. Time for a complete clean sweep
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 26, 2014, 03:48:32 PM
I fully expect AI to be placed on "Gardening Leave" later this evening after that shambles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 03:49:55 PM
I wouldn't let Irvine, Downing or Kiely even clean my F***ING football boots.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 26, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
The jobs way beyond him, for christ's sake he's a failure at Championship level
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 26, 2014, 03:57:17 PM
I fully expect AI to be placed on "Gardening Leave" later this evening after that shambles.

I think he will too, for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 03:58:33 PM
I think he will too, for sure.

Thank you Santa. Please can you also remember my other two presents? I sent them in the same note....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 26, 2014, 04:00:15 PM
I agree we need a change and I thought that as soon as he was appointed.  Trouble is I have no faith in Peace and his cronies to make a good appointment.  They hired this buffoon so we could end up with Mike Bassett.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: benjiman121 on December 26, 2014, 04:00:43 PM
Needs to go, it's embarrasing. Club needs an overhaul, get Downing and Kiely out as well, this so called clique is ruining our club. Need someone in charge who is not afraid to ruffle feathers and not best mates with the players. Sick of reading how they are behind Irvine etc. It's a results business, and the performances of late have been terrible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 26, 2014, 04:02:45 PM
I don't expect to beat these but at least we could try to give them a game
Irvine is clueless and every home game now turns into a training game for our opponents
Irvine out for gods sake before it's too late
Ps I bet the after match interview  starts with we had a game plan but it was spoilt after 5 minutes
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
I wouldn't let Irvine, Downing or Kiely even clean my F***ING football boots.
wouldn't let look after my garden either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
I don't expect to beat these but at least we could try to give them a game
Irvine is clueless and every home game now turns into a training game for our opponents
Irvine out for gods sake before it's too late
Ps I bet the after match interview  starts with we had a game plan but it was spoilt after 5 minutes

If only that other team hadn't shown up we might have got a draw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 26, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
I agree we need a change and I thought that as soon as he was appointed.  Trouble is I have no faith in Peace and his cronies to make a good appointment.  They hired this buffoon so we could end up with Mike Bassett.

Mike Bassett would be an improvement  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 04:10:53 PM
My not attending totally justified. The man is a clueless coach >:( and that's being polite
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
The ACTUAL Father Ted would do a better job. Or Father Jack. Or Father Dougal. Or Mrs. Doyle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 04:17:42 PM
I am really angry now enough is enough. And I hope his few followers think the same
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 26, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
We should bust a gut to go all out and bring me back
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 26, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
We should bust a gut to go all out and bring me back

Agree entirely Pepe, JP should be ashamed of himself never gave the bloke a chance with his own backroom staff and players. Shame on you Jeremy Peace. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 26, 2014, 04:37:46 PM
I don't know WHO the answer is for us but I do know..............ITS NOT ALAN IRVINE
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: South West Steve on December 26, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
I was a season ticket holder for 48 years, latterly commuting from South Devon to The Hawthorns every second week, gave up my season ticket after last years fiasco on and off pitch. Didn't want current coach and said so at the time. I was in Walsall for Christmas and offered free ticket as friend has gone to Spain. Drove past junction 1 at 12.30 and wasn't at all bothered I was missing game. Sad reflection of current coaching team to be honest (and I know I'll be called fickle by some)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 04:46:38 PM
Agree entirely Pepe, JP should be ashamed of himself never gave the bloke a chance with his own backroom staff and players. Shame on you Jeremy Peace.

Me too. PM wouldn't have had us looking like this with the squad we have got!!!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sconesy on December 26, 2014, 04:55:05 PM
"I'd rather win ugly" ! When you can win at all....then start 'talking turkey'. We played the best football in 18 months in the first 30 mins at QPR, and your 'bricked it'! I like you and respect you, however (sadly) you're not for WBA. We haven't got the endeavour or guile to progress under your leadership. We desperately need to 'clear-out', and get some hustle behind this muscle....or lack of!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 04:56:39 PM
We need SGM
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 26, 2014, 04:59:25 PM
We have quality here and a decent squad. However we have simply awful awful coaches who are so out of their depth and are very lucky to be working at a Premiership club. The end is nigh for Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 26, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
We need a MANAGER, not a coach. Offer Pulis £2m (or whatever SKY monopoly amount is needed)  if he can keep us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 05:01:27 PM
Think Fast, Father Peace....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 26, 2014, 05:07:35 PM
Any excuse for him today?Individual error only?Not his responsibility? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on December 26, 2014, 05:10:01 PM
I have mentioned before loose our next two league games and FA CUP match then we might get rid of him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 26, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
Any excuse for him today?Individual error only?Not his responsibility?

Brought on substitutes who were lively and scored. Not one of the reasons we lost today were Irvine's fault. Two were Ben Fosters, one was the refs. Berahino didn't have a shot on target, Lescott couldn't score from three yards.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:12:34 PM
Brought on substitutes who were lively and scored. Not one of the reasons we lost today were Irvine's fault. Two were Ben Fosters, one was the refs. Berahino didn't have a shot on target, Lescott couldn't score from three yards.


Who coaches them enough is enough his support is getting tiresome now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 05:15:41 PM
Brought on substitutes who were lively and scored. Not one of the reasons we lost today were Irvine's fault. Two were Ben Fosters, one was the refs. Berahino didn't have a shot on target, Lescott couldn't score from three yards.

I most often agree with and value your comments, Psalm. But Alan Irvine is in charge of this sad ship...

You know it was the Captain of the Titanic who sank it with his instruction to 'go faster' don't you?  ;)

Not that AI is giving out the same instruction.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:17:02 PM
Utterly and totally worse than last season. Supporters of irvine  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 05:22:38 PM
We have quality here and a decent squad. However we have simply awful awful coaches who are so out of their depth and are very lucky to be working at a Premiership club. The end is nigh for Alan Irvine.
Nail on the head. We have the squad here to be comfortable in the top half, but this coaching team are consistently picking their favourites (Wisdom, Morrison, Gardner, Dorrans/Brunt when fit) over more talented players (Gamboa, Mulumbu, Yacob, Blanco). It's infuriating.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 26, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
We have quality here and a decent squad. However we have simply awful awful coaches who are so out of their depth and are very lucky to be working at a Premiership club. The end is nigh for Alan Irvine.
We can but hope !!

Weren't these players supposed to be playing for him ?? Someone ought to tell the defence as since this comment came out, the defence has gone on holiday !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on December 26, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
Utterly and totally worse than last season. Supporters of irvine  :D

My support of him is dwinddling. He's like the new Alan Buckley, he'll be bringing in ex Preston players next season after he's sent us down. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
His team talk must be like this your good players but there ten times better than you, keep it tight and we might lose by one or two but they are ten times better than you oh sorry that's the Gateshead team talk
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:43:22 PM
Laughing stock utterly and totally.what other club going on his past record should give him a job.JP your an idiot for listening to Burton and any influence from previous interviews
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 26, 2014, 05:44:35 PM
Irvine's had his go , most were fair but it's clear he is out of his depth and i just feel sorry for him rather than angry.
He is far from the only problem at the club however he makes the calls at the end of the day , we already had several inconsistent players in the squad and now in recent weeks we can see Poco , Foster , Gardner and Lescott going backwards form wise. It worried me how many of these players came out and said how much they like Irvine , that's alright if we are getting results but we aren't and somehow despite having a decent/good squad on paper we seem to be just as bad if not worse than last season. I don't want the tag of being a sacking club but Irvine was never the right choice from day one.
This squad needs a Manager/ Head Coach not a mate which is what Irvine appears to be to a large number of them.
Time's up JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2014, 05:48:03 PM
Don't care if he's a nice bloke,  he's a pooh head coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:48:19 PM
Irvine's had his go , most were fair but it's clear he is out of his depth and i just feel sorry for him rather than angry.
He is far from the only problem at the club however he makes the calls at the end of the day , we already had several inconsistent players in the squad and now in recent weeks we can see Poco , Foster , Gardner and Lescott going backwards form wise. It worried me how many of these players came out and said how much they like Irvine , that's alright if we are getting results but we aren't and somehow despite having a decent/good squad on paper we seem to be just as bad if not worse than last season. I don't want the tag of being a sacking club but Irvine was never the right choice from day one.
This squad needs a Manager/ Head Coach not a mate which is what Irvine appears to be to a large number of them.
Time's up JP.


We said , well said ineed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 26, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
He won't be sacked before Stoke, I think an embarrassment against Gateshead is our only hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 26, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
posted this on after match debate, but think its worth posting here as well
quote taken from BBC Sport
West Brom manager Alan Irvine: "We started well but the first time City went up the pitch they got a goal which was down to our mistake. We continued to look as if we might score and we came very close on a few occasions.

"We still looked as if we were very much in the game but we made individual errors that when you make them in the Premier League are costly, and when you make them against Manchester City they are extremely costly."
Q was he watching the same game as me?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
Wait for it I hear some of  you cry we were playing Man City
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
posted this on after match debate, but think its worth posting here as well
quote taken from BBC Sport
West Brom manager Alan Irvine: "We started well but the first time City went up the pitch they got a goal which was down to our mistake. We continued to look as if we might score and we came very close on a few occasions.

"We still looked as if we were very much in the game but we made individual errors that when you make them in the Premier League are costly, and when you make them against Manchester City they are extremely costly."
Q was he watching the same game as me?

Proves he still does comedy, old Ted, there.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 05:56:34 PM
All this utter nonsense will cost you Peace. Great judge of  an expert in it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on December 26, 2014, 05:57:05 PM
When they finally sack him they'll probably offer him a backroom job with Kiely and Downing as a sweetener  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on December 26, 2014, 06:01:14 PM
Brought on substitutes who were lively and scored. Not one of the reasons we lost today were Irvine's fault. Two were Ben Fosters, one was the refs. Berahino didn't have a shot on target, Lescott couldn't score from three yards.
we were beaten as soon as the teams came on the pitch, they looked scared to death. There was no passion, no fight and worst of all not one of them looked interested. I said to my grandson look at this lot, we are going to get smashed.I haven't commented on Irvine before, but he and the other two Muppets should be sacked tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
and the poll shows the vote for him to stay increased since the final whistle.
what am I missing please tell me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 06:03:47 PM
and the poll shows the vote for him to stay increased since the final whistle.
what am I missing please tell me.


Wind ups my friend
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 06:21:09 PM
Another same old same old exactly the same old Oscar convincing to some after match peice

Where are they, having a beer with him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnnyg on December 26, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: danwatson on December 26, 2014, 06:35:57 PM
If Terry Burton is the one giving recommendations on the coaching staff and playing staff we have recruited then he needs to be following AI out the door sharpish!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 26, 2014, 06:38:41 PM
Nail on the head. We have the squad here to be comfortable in the top half, but this coaching team are consistently picking their favourites (Wisdom, Morrison, Gardner, Dorrans/Brunt when fit) over more talented players (Gamboa, Mulumbu, Yacob, Blanco). It's infuriating.


Can I ask why you think we have a decent squad? Of the summer signings only Lescott & Gardner are anything ilke, & what I'd give to have Billy Jones,  Morgan Amalfitano & Liam Ridgewell in our squad right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.


Yes the same old drivel ineed. Just like what we see on the field of play. Happy happy happy.
Irvine out  now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.

AI is not directly responsible for today's result, but he is responsible for so much during the season to date. So is Burton, for buying players who simply weren't fit or ready to play at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 06:41:30 PM
AI is not directly responsible for today's result, but he is responsible for so much during the season to date. So is Burton, for buying players who simply weren't fit or ready to play at this level.



Don't give him credit. Irvine should carry the can.. This head coach is clueless and out of his depth >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 06:45:11 PM

Can I ask why you think we have a decent squad? Of the summer signings only Lescott & Gardner are anything ilke, & what I'd give to have Billy Jones,  Morgan Amalfitano & Liam Ridgewell in our squad right now.
Gamboa, very very good right back, doesn't get played. Pocognoli, vast improvement on any left back we've had at the club in a decade. Lescott, best centre back we've had at the club since god knows when. Varela, world class winger. Blanco very talented too but doesn't get played. Mulumbu and Yacob the basis of our 8th placed finish (aside from Lukaku), don't get played together. Ideye, player with great potential and 1 in 2 goal scoring record before he came here- just needs time.

We need a proper manager who will consistently play these, our best players, and get the best out of those who are being picked, in a suitable system. A manager capable of motivating these players and building up their confidence. Not a loser, a wimp, a meek surrenderer of a head coach, who probably sends out our players already beaten.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 26, 2014, 06:47:42 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.

Not an Irvine hater, he doesn't impact on my life that much for me to hate him. No I am not a fan, never have been, never will be. For me he is out of his depth and should never have been appointed, he was and now the time has come for him and the rest of the coaching staff to go.

Yes, I do call myself an Albion fan and even though I am not a fan of Irvine for 90 minutes every game I back him and the club so if I choose to come on here (a forum for Albion fans to discuss/ debate/ moan etc) I will do regardless of whether its okay with you or not. I will be there Sunday and at West Ham as I have been all season regardless of whether he is still in charge or nor, hoping he won't be but expecting he will.

You choose to back him along with others which is your right, we others who prefer him out also have the right to that viewpoint without being abused for it.

Happy Christmas
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 06:50:59 PM
Gamboa, very very good right back, doesn't get played. Pocognoli, vast improvement on any left back we've had at the club in a decade. Lescott, best centre back we've had at the club since god knows when. Varela, world class winger. Blanco very talented too but doesn't get played. Mulumbu and Yacob the basis of our 8th placed finish (aside from Lukaku), don't get played together. Ideye, player with great potential and 1 in 2 goal scoring record before he came here- just needs time.

We need a proper manager who will consistently play these, our best players, and get the best out of those who are being picked, in a suitable system. A manager capable of motivating these players and building up their confidence. Not a loser, a wimp, a meek surrenderer of a head coach, who probably sends out our players already beaten.
I forgot to mention Downing and Kiely, who are also a major part of the problem. They've created an environment which is far too comfortable for the players, and breeds complacency (as evidenced by Foster's decline, and the persistent picking of favourites like Wisdom and Morrison). Burton needs to be gone too for recommending Irvine. The director of football and head coach roles are the most important in our club, and they can't be filled by the cheapest candidates. These appointments aren't helped by Peace not exactly being a "football" man. The players aren't the problem, so well done to the recruitment team this summer for that (minus Davidson and Baird)

This post goes to the heart of what's wrong with the club, and can be corrected if Peace acts strongly. Unfortunately, as a non-footballing man, I'm not sure he'll be able to see this.

Someone send this and my above post to Peace, please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2014, 06:53:03 PM
Still yet to see how Irvine is responsible for the free will and actions of individual players. I don't like him and don't want him managing our club, but it doesn't mean I'm blind to what was today's downfall.

Very few fans are blind to what was today's downfall.

Foster was very poor again, do you think Irvine will drop him for Sunday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
So is he sacked tonight or after Stoke beat us ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on December 26, 2014, 06:56:52 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.
this is a forum mate people  are allowed to make comments and put there views on, so please don't come on here telling  people to go to other forums because they have a different opinion to you. For the sake of west Bromwich Albion Irvine should be sacked tonight, before it is to late. At the moment the whole club is a complete shambles and we are a laughing stock that is something i am not proud of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 26, 2014, 06:57:25 PM
As I said before,I hope Alan can prove me wrong but obviously he can't.

Steve Madeley
‏@smadeley_star
I'm not getting any indication of anything changing tonight re Irvine.


Oh congratulation to all Alan's fans,he is still here,Merry Christmas .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
So is he sacked tonight or after Stoke beat us ?

Unfortunately the earliest he is likely to be sacked is after the transfer window has closed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2014, 06:59:09 PM
this is a forum mate people  are allowed to make comments and put there views on, so please don't come on here telling  people to go to other forums because they have a different opinion to you. For the sake of west Bromwich Albion Irvine should be sacked tonight, before it is to late. At the moment the whole club is a complete shambles and we are a laughing stock that is something i am not proud of.

Agreed. At least by sacking him now we would have a chance of getting something out of the Stoke and West Ham games. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
Substitutions are to change a game aren't they? A chance to do something different.

Can someone tell me why Irvine still persists with the Gamboa for Pocognoli substitution - then swapping him and Wisdom? That is the Pocognoli who is a damn sight better going forward than Wisdom.

I mean, how many goals or chances has this substitution created? For me, it offers absolutely nothing from whenever I've seen it.

It reaks of using a substitution because you have one available. No thought process whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wodenson46 on December 26, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
Gamboa, very very good right back, doesn't get played. Pocognoli, vast improvement on any left back we've had at the club in a decade. Lescott, best centre back we've had at the club since god knows when. Varela, world class winger. Blanco very talented too but doesn't get played. Mulumbu and Yacob the basis of our 8th placed finish (aside from Lukaku), don't get played together. Ideye, player with great potential and 1 in 2 goal scoring record before he came here- just needs time.

We need a proper manager who will consistently play these, our best players, and get the best out of those who are being picked, in a suitable system. A manager capable of motivating these players and building up their confidence. Not a loser, a wimp, a meek surrenderer of a head coach, who probably sends out our players already beaten.


Total agreement!  There is a decent side at West Brom but it is not getting picked. What is seen on the training ground I do not know but from what we see on the pitch the answers are pretty obvious. Play our most effective central midfield pairing, give players like Blanco and Valera and Ideye a proper chance to show their abilities and stop constantly giving consistently poor performers like Morrison and Wisdom a guaranteed place if fit. I would include Foster in this as well but despite his recent p poor performances and his new found inability to dominate his area, he hasn't  hissed me off as much as the others - yet. Downing Kiely are the only constant from the string of inexplicable team selections and strings of poor results over the last 2 seasons. I think you can now add to this the awe and fear of the rich successful cheats we used to give a bloody good game to. what the hell has happened to the 'go out and show these rich nancies' attitude we used to have? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Sack him now and it lifts  most the supporters maybe not the comfy footballers . Let's see them worked for a change eh foster
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
Unfortunately the earliest he is likely to be sacked is after the transfer window has closed.
The thought of Irvine having a say in our January recruitment is terrifying. Terrible judge of a player as shown my Wisdom's persistent involvement over Gamboa, and he could sell Blanco, who trust me, is a quality player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 07:04:49 PM
Not an Irvine hater, he doesn't impact on my life that much for me to hate him. No I am not a fan, never have been, never will be. For me he is out of his depth and should never have been appointed, he was and now the time has come for him and the rest of the coaching staff to go.

Yes, I do call myself an Albion fan and even though I am not a fan of Irvine for 90 minutes every game I back him and the club so if I choose to come on here (a forum for Albion fans to discuss/ debate/ moan etc) I will do regardless of whether its okay with you or not. I will be there Sunday and at West Ham as I have been all season regardless of whether he is still in charge or nor, hoping he won't be but expecting he will.

You choose to back him along with others which is your right, we others who prefer him out also have the right to that viewpoint without being abused for it.

Happy Christmas

absolutely bang on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on December 26, 2014, 07:06:42 PM
So is he sacked tonight or after Stoke beat us ?

Wessst Brom!! They always beat West Brom, they always beat West Brom, they always beat West Brom. It would be Ironic if Delilah was the last song he heard.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
Irvine might not be able to legislate for mistakes of others but he sets the team up, dictates how we perform and furthermore makes the substitutions.

Today just stank of us accepting defeat from the off. We're playing a bloody good side but can you remember one tackle we made? We were just happy to watch them, almost as if we were afraid to go near them, undeserving of being on the same pitch. I didn't see any intent from us to win the ball, no tackles, no attempt to ruffle the feathers of the opposition, just 11 individuals happy to sit and watch these wonderful footballers pass the ball attempt at free will.

I'm not advocating us kicking the pooh out of them but what I would like to see is a side taking the initiative of trying to win the ball back rather than just sitting back and giving them the freedom of West Bromwich.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 26, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
I forgot to mention Downing and Kiely, who are also a major part of the problem. They've created an environment which is far too comfortable for the players, and breeds complacency (as evidenced by Foster's decline, and the persistent picking of favourites like Wisdom and Morrison). Burton needs to be gone too for recommending Irvine. The director of football and head coach roles are the most important in our club, and they can't be filled by the cheapest candidates. These appointments aren't helped by Peace not exactly being a "football" man. The players aren't the problem, so well done to the recruitment team this summer for that (minus Davidson and Baird)

This post goes to the heart of what's wrong with the club, and can be corrected if Peace acts strongly. Unfortunately, as a non-footballing man, I'm not sure he'll be able to see this.

Someone send this and my above post to Peace, please.

Sent to JP
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 26, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-baggies-west-brom-manchester-city-2165541.aspx

If you need cheering up, just read that tripe.

Apparently the team are mentally strong enough...

They didn't crumble...

The only truth in there is that the players gave themselves a mountain to climb.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gazberg on December 26, 2014, 07:33:15 PM
Should never have been appointed in the first place. I imagine it was because he was willing to become the lowest paid manager in Premier League history.

Get rid of him and the backroom staff. Get a new management team in with fresh ideas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 07:35:02 PM
Sent to JP
Thanks a lot mate, weight off my mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 26, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
Granted shocking individual errors cost us today, but what was AI thinking playing Morrison behind Mulumbu. Morrison was awful and Mulumbu lumbered about like a lost sheep. Also the persistance in the first half of getting Poco to trek across the pitch to take corners from the right side, leaving City to target our right side on the counter, with Poco adrift on the other side of the pitch. In the second half when Poco went to take a corner on the left, Morrison was called over instead. Good coach indeed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 07:36:45 PM
I don't really understand why Peace is persisting- it's not like Irvine's going to turn it round or suddenly become a good manager is it? Might as well give the new man as much time as possible
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
I have stooped listening to the drivel watching the drivel and worrying about the drivel. Laughing stock utter drivel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 26, 2014, 07:39:03 PM
3 Individual Errors 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1myCrymnt4
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cidhawk on December 26, 2014, 07:49:36 PM
3 Individual Errors 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1myCrymnt4

What a load of rubbish, club interviewer feeding him the lines......how naive!!! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: CL3MO on December 26, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Substitutions are to change a game aren't they? A chance to do something different.

Can someone tell me why Irvine still persists with the Gamboa for Pocognoli substitution - then swapping him and Wisdom? That is the Pocognoli who is a damn sight better going forward than Wisdom.

I mean, how many goals or chances has this substitution created? For me, it offers absolutely nothing from whenever I've seen it.

It reaks of using a substitution because you have one available. No thought process whatsoever.

I've raised this point before, but pocognoli cannot complete 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 07:53:57 PM
I've raised this point before, but pocognoli cannot complete 90 minutes.
Well he has done on numerous occasions this season... Regardless, quite frankly I'd rather have a half-dead Pocognoli than Wisdom at left -back
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 26, 2014, 07:55:45 PM
I did think we started well today but the first goal sort of took the wind out our sails. Conceded some silly goals today. Man City are the defending champions and will punish mistakes. Don't think it was a penalty either for the second goal. 15th in the league so a decent position but hoping for a win against Stoke or West Ham in these next few days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
AI apperars to be a football technician. Sometimes character is needed to galvanise support and players. Who has natural leadership on and/ or off the pitch to galvanise supporters and players for a relegation scrap? I think we're about to find out one way or another? The current mood reminds me of the meek Robson relegation a few years ago.......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 26, 2014, 08:31:41 PM
So so fed up at the moment. Getting the tube back on saturday i felt mentally drained by this all, and when city were 3 nil up today all i felt was a big 'meh'. I don't think we have it in us to win the dogfight this year but the worst thing is i doubt JP really cares. If he did none of this circus over the last few months would have taken place. We wouldn't have a severely out-of-his-depth manager at the hawthorns. The games ive been to this season (qpr, liverpool away) and (burnley, west ham, arsenal, hull and palace at home) have all had their flaws. The home games are an absolute chore as a pin drop can be heard and our home form is disgraceful. On the road, we bottle games far too often as we just don't know how to hold on. I don't know if i can put myself into full wound up mode if we bottle it like last week. I just had to go through the game at 50 percent passion because it would have affected my health like the people getting wound up in the row in front. Face it folks, we're becoming just like Blackburn,Wigan and Fulham now. Sky won't give a jot if we're not one of those 20 next season  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 26, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
Gamboa, very very good right back, doesn't get played. Pocognoli, vast improvement on any left back we've had at the club in a decade. Lescott, best centre back we've had at the club since god knows when. Varela, world class winger. Blanco very talented too but doesn't get played. Mulumbu and Yacob the basis of our 8th placed finish (aside from Lukaku), don't get played together. Ideye, player with great potential and 1 in 2 goal scoring record before he came here- just needs time.

We need a proper manager who will consistently play these, our best players, and get the best out of those who are being picked, in a suitable system. A manager capable of motivating these players and building up their confidence. Not a loser, a wimp, a meek surrenderer of a head coach, who probably sends out our players already beaten.

Interesting!

So you'd play Mulumbu & Yacob over Craig Gardner, even though the FC have been after Gardner for 2 or 3 seasons, & he is probably the most EPL experienced midfield player in the Club?

Why is Christian Gamboa a better full back than Andre Wisdom?
Pocognoli is, to all intents & purposes our regular left back anyway, but is Jason Davidson better than Liam Ridgewell or even Chris Baird?
Is Silvestre Varela really "world class", personally I don't think so, & I think his wandering about the pitch today demonstrates why AI is reluctant to play him.
Brown Ideye, like most strikers, is a confidence player, at the moment, his confidence is lacking, not blaming him, it's just a series of events that's gone against him since joining WBA.

Personally, with a couple of exceptions, I'm not so sure we have a superior squad this season when compared to last. I think there's some foundation in AI's opinion that the squad just ain't good enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 26, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
I agree summer signings were poor. The squad is weaker this year overall and up front we're frankly impotent. Another winger, a  centre forward with prescence and energy, a midfield general (an in field leader/ organiser type) and a serious left back to challenge poc would be ideal in Jan. Ideally Irvine would've been assistant to a proper boss / manager with Downing making way in the summer. It's still not too late to change things but with us treading water whilst a few other clubs flounder below us in the league, I'm inclined to think we may have to endure some lacklustre games for the rest if the season. Albeit with a new head coach (scapegoat should be in his job description)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Interesting!

So you'd play Mulumbu & Yacob over Craig Gardner, even though the FC have been after Gardner for 2 or 3 seasons, & he is probably the most EPL experienced midfield player in the Club?

Why is Christian Gamboa a better full back than Andre Wisdom?
Pocognoli is, to all intents & purposes our regular left back anyway, but is Jason Davidson better than Liam Ridgewell or even Chris Baird?
Is Silvestre Varela really "world class", personally I don't think so, & I think his wandering about the pitch today demonstrates why AI is reluctant to play him.
Brown Ideye, like most strikers, is a confidence player, at the moment, his confidence is lacking, not blaming him, it's just a series of events that's gone against him since joining WBA.

Personally, with a couple of exceptions, I'm not so sure we have a superior squad this season when compared to last. I think there's some foundation in AI's opinion that the squad just ain't good enough
Yes. Not sure how long the club have been interested has to do with anything... Yacob and Mulumbu are far more effective footballers.

Because Gamboa is a very good footballer whereas Wisdom is clueless as soon he receives the ball... It's based on watching each player's performances.

The point was also that Irvine has a much better squad than last year, and Pocognoli is part of that.

Varela is world class, as evidenced by 26 caps, 5 goals and however many assists he has for Portugal, a nation ranked higher than England.

Part of the reason for Ideye's lack of confidence, a player who has been prolific everywhere he's been before now, was Irvine's lack of faith in him earlier in the season.

Irvine has never said the squad isn't good enough. In fact, before the end of the transfer window he stated his happiness in the squad at his disposal.

Frankly, your arguments are poor and nonsensical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 26, 2014, 09:20:57 PM
My God, the Irvine haters are really lapping it up tonight.  Call yourselves Albion supporters ?  Ye should be ashamed of yourselves. Ye know who ye are.. in fact we all do. Coming on here, spouting the same old drivel after every bad result.  So predictable.
Yes, none of us were enamoured when AI got the job, myself included.  In fact, i was once who voiced my disapproval at the time. However, an Albion manager deserves support while he is in the job. 
Those of you coming on here day after day slagging the guy off are a f##king disgrace to the club. I am embarrassed to be associated with what i can only describe as a witch-hunt.

Just for a moment, look back at the Pre-Match thread where we were all suggesting what team should be picked. AI picked, more or less, what team the majority of us who posted on there asked for - an-attacking looking team, with Mulumbu restored to add defensive strength.

What happened - 3 horrific individual errors and we go 3-0 down. 
Yeah yeah yeah, its all AI's fault. We know we know. FFs, would you lot ever get lost on some other forum. AI is the Albion manager, and we should be supporting him and the team, rather than this continous and sustained witch-hunt that has been disgraceful beyond belief.

As i said already, i didnt want AI as manager, and he was a poor appointment and for the life of me, i couldnt see how it was going to work,  but you'd swear we were 10 points adrift at the bottom of the table tonight, the way some of the drama queens are going on and on, spouting their boring, repetitive drivel here. I aint going to name ye, but the usual suspects have been on here already this evening in all their glory.

I, for one, am a proud Baggie, and support the team and the manager through thick and thin, even when we are struggling badly.
And i notice all the whingers were loud in their support of more attacking teams being picked in the last few weeks. Well, what have you guys got to say tonight..... Valera was bloody awful today, Idye gets worse with every outing, and Berahino looks as if he wouldnt hit a bard door at the moment.

But yes, yes, i know...i should toe the line, like a blind fool. AI out AI out.. Well, no thanks, guys.  AI needs our support while he is in the job, and if i am the only one on here who still stands by him, so be it.
But feel free to continue to scapegoat and pillorise him.  We are 10 points adrift after all........oh sorry, i just checked... we are not even in the bottom 3.  But most of the whingers on here dont like to let facts get in the way of a good scapegoating. Enjoy your moaning.
You say it is a disgrace to slag off Irvine, yet go on to slag off 3 players. What's the difference?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 26, 2014, 09:32:10 PM
Yes. Not sure how long the club have been interested has to do with anything... Yacob and Mulumbu are far more effective footballers.

Because Gamboa is a very good footballer whereas Wisdom is clueless as soon he receives the ball... It's based on watching each player's performances.

The point was also that Irvine has a much better squad than last year, and Pocognoli is part of that.

Varela is world class, as evidenced by 26 caps, 5 goals and however many assists he has for Portugal, a nation ranked higher than England.

Part of the reason for Ideye's lack of confidence, a player who has been prolific everywhere he's been before now, was Irvine's lack of faith in him earlier in the season.

Irvine has never said the squad isn't good enough. In fact, before the end of the transfer window he stated his happiness in the squad at his disposal.

Frankly, your arguments are poor and nonsensical.

Lets just say my arguments are poor & nonsensical, & that yours are good so:

Give me some evidence to show that Mulumbu & Yacob are far more effective footballers than Craig Gardner.

It might be useful to see some stats like:
Tackles made, passes completed, distance covered in a game, yellow cards, red cards.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
Lets just say my arguments are poor & nonsensical, & that yours are good so:

Give me some evidence to show that Mulumbu & Yacob are far more effective footballers than Craig Gardner.

It might be useful to see some stats like:
Tackles made, passes completed, distance covered in a game, yellow cards, red cards.
I don't have any stats to hand, but Yacob and Mulumbu were the defensive axis that led to our highest placed Premier League finish in our history. Gardner does neither defending nor attacking particularly effectively.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 26, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
I don't have any stats to hand, but Yacob and Mulumbu were the defensive axis that led to our highest placed Premier League finish in our history. Gardner does neither defending nor attacking particularly effectively.
When was the last time Yacob and Mulumbu played together and we thought wow great partnership? Yacob hasn't been the same since that injury at Christmas a couple seasons back
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 09:52:35 PM
When was the last time Yacob and Mulumbu played together and we thought wow great partnership? Yacob hasn't been the same since that injury at Christmas a couple seasons back
They haven't been given the chance- they've barely played together since the start of last season under Clarke, and even then they were much more competent than the current midfield of Morrison and Gardner. Think they deserve the chance to play together again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 26, 2014, 09:54:47 PM
They haven't been given the chance- they've barely played together since the start of last season under Clarke, and even then they were much more competent than the current midfield of Morrison and Gardner. Think they deserve the chance to play together again.
Certain games I think they need to be played. But then I can see fans moaning Irvine is too defensive if he played those 2 too many fans want a reason to moan and slag him off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on December 26, 2014, 10:02:06 PM
For two seasons Yacob's stats said he made the highest number of tackles to break up play, has he suddenly become useless overnight?

In true baggies fashion anyone that does well gets dropped or is allowed to leave....or even worse completely ignored by the head coaches.

Man, we need a mighty big shake up to get us rolling again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 10:05:35 PM
Certain games I think they need to be played. But then I can see fans moaning Irvine is too defensive if he played those 2 too many fans want a reason to moan and slag him off
The great thing about playing two defensive midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 is it allows you to play three attacking midfielders (Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco) and attacking fullbacks (Gamboa and Pocognoli), making for a much more balanced side. Sadly Irvine is hugely lacking in terms of judging ability and tactical awareness.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
Yes. Not sure how long the club have been interested has to do with anything... Yacob and Mulumbu are far more effective footballers.

Because Gamboa is a very good footballer whereas Wisdom is clueless as soon he receives the ball... It's based on watching each player's performances.

The point was also that Irvine has a much better squad than last year, and Pocognoli is part of that.

Varela is world class, as evidenced by 26 caps, 5 goals and however many assists he has for Portugal, a nation ranked higher than England.

Part of the reason for Ideye's lack of confidence, a player who has been prolific everywhere he's been before now, was Irvine's lack of faith in him earlier in the season.

Irvine has never said the squad isn't good enough. In fact, before the end of the transfer window he stated his happiness in the squad at his disposal.

Frankly, your arguments are poor and nonsensical.

Agreed, 100%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 26, 2014, 10:10:45 PM
The great thing about playing two defensive midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 is it allows you to play three attacking midfielders (Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco) and attacking fullbacks (Gamboa and Pocognoli), making for a much more balanced side. Sadly Irvine is hugely lacking in terms of judging ability and tactical awareness.
But again that team would only suit certain games. You couldn't go and play that v Chelsea for example as we would get torn apart. I do wonder if Blanco is too lightweight in training and getting bullied off the ball hence him not being played - but that it for a different topic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 26, 2014, 10:12:54 PM
Personally think just as important as Irvine going is getting in a strong manager not swayed by any groups or old pals act.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on December 26, 2014, 10:13:36 PM
One good thing about Irvine for me, is he must have saved me 100's of quid this season.The football's been that dire that  I haven't been to a game since Sunderland.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 26, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Glad somebody else picked up on the left back taking corners and us then getting overrun on the counter. Also the idiot putting Morrison in a holding role behind Mulumbu!! That alone is a a sackable offence. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 26, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
We had plenty of chances today, should have scored a couple of them. Irvine didn't do a lot wrong today, just one of them days where luck wasn't on our side. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on December 26, 2014, 10:28:34 PM
I wish Irvine would smarten his appearance.  On his money he could afford a few Armani suits.  Then again he is just a coach and wears that attire everyday.  All managers should wear a suit IMO with a Coat over the top if necessary.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2014, 10:35:51 PM
We had plenty of chances today, should have scored a couple of them. Irvine didn't do a lot wrong today, just one of them days where luck wasn't on our side. Keep the faith.

You make your own luck!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 26, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
When we had managers in the past such as Denis Smith and Buckley, they were poor managers but the players they had to pick from were dreadful.
Alan Irvine has some of the best premiership players we have ever had yet he can't do anything with them.
This to me makes him the worst Albion boss in my lifetime
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 26, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Who wants a laugh?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-jeremy-peace-7291426

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/05/23/jeremy-peace-im-responsible-for-west-broms-wretched-season/

Read these comments from JP, from the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 10:53:41 PM
But again that team would only suit certain games. You couldn't go and play that v Chelsea for example as we would get torn apart. I do wonder if Blanco is too lightweight in training and getting bullied off the ball hence him not being played - but that it for a different topic
It's no more lightweight than the team which played today- it would have had Yacob in for Morrison! And with Mulumbu playing deeper alongside Yacob.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
Personally think just as important as Irvine going is getting in a strong manager not swayed by any groups or old pals act.
Agree with that, absolutely imperative.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: popmonkey on December 26, 2014, 11:31:07 PM
What worries me most about today's game was that we seemed to accept that we were defeated way too early. There was no urgency to get back in the game, at half time we could've made changes but didn't. With so many games in a short space of time it was clear than Man City would ease off if they had the opportunity, our attitude allowed them to keep things simple for them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2014, 11:31:25 PM
He doesn't sound confident in keeping his job according to the media.
also just read that it was 32 minutes before a tackle was made by an albion player,surely that's wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2014, 11:32:39 PM
also just read that it was 32 minutes before a tackle was made by an albion player,surely that's wrong.

Yes, it must be wrong.

62 minutes would have been most likely.

But yes, I think your statement is correct. A Mulumbu tackle on Nasri who then spent a few minutes rolling about on the floor.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 26, 2014, 11:43:19 PM
We played better against Man City and were in the game for the whole match last season under Pepe Mel, with a worse team and away from home (lost 2-1). Says it all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 26, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
After reading those comments from Irvine tonight, I suspect that it will be very inanimate that Peace will give him the sack very soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 26, 2014, 11:57:18 PM
Rumour on the Twitter is that there is a board meeting tomorrow.

However me being the skeptical person I am suspect there is not a meeting or if there is it's nothing to do with Irvine.

My gut is telling me Irvine is here until the end of jan at the very least, sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 27, 2014, 12:01:42 AM
Rumour on the Twitter is that there is a board meeting tomorrow.

However me being the skeptical person I am suspect there is not a meeting or if there is it's nothing to do with Irvine.

My gut is telling me Irvine is here until the end of jan at the very least, sadly.

Something tweeted by one of those stupid ITK wannabee accounts wasn't it?

If Irvine was going he would have gone tonight - otherwise he's here for Stoke and more than likely Gateshead.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 27, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Something tweeted by one of those stupid ITK wannabee accounts wasn't it?

If Irvine was going he would have gone tonight - otherwise he's here for Stoke and more than likely Gateshead.
And the small matter of West Ham away
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 27, 2014, 12:10:14 AM
Mind you Clarke was booted out on a sunday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 27, 2014, 12:21:49 AM
Mind you Clarke was booted out on a sunday

Wasn't Di Matteo sacked on a Sunday as well?

Edit: doesn't matter because tomorrow is Saturday :)

Well today now, but when the tweet went out it was referring to saturday

Christmas screwing with the days in my head :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 27, 2014, 12:25:49 AM
Something tweeted by one of those stupid ITK wannabee accounts wasn't it?

If Irvine was going he would have gone tonight - otherwise he's here for Stoke and more than likely Gateshead.
I don't think so, not much point sacking him tonight when we're playing again in 48 hours... If we lose to stoke he'll go then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 27, 2014, 12:31:14 AM
Nothing at Stoke and he will be gone No Doubt
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on December 27, 2014, 12:40:59 AM
Nothing at Stoke and he will be gone No Doubt
.    And also give Anichebe the ultimatum .Either shape up or ship out , never known such an unfit player since Daryl Burgess and Matyn Benett
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 27, 2014, 12:43:04 AM
Yes, it must be wrong.

62 minutes would have been most likely.

But yes, I think your statement is correct. A Mulumbu tackle on Nasri who then spent a few minutes rolling about on the floor.

I think the fact that we got no yellow cards yesterday tells its own story. You have to get in the big teams/players faces early doors risking the odd booking, otherwise they will take you apart which is what happened (albeit with a sizeable helping from Fozzie/Referee/Lescott).

Also, if the players are 100% behind AI as their various interviews over the last few weeks on the official site claim, they are not doing a very good job of showing this on the pitch!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 27, 2014, 12:59:09 AM
We played better against Man City and were in the game for the whole match last season under Pepe Mel, with a worse team and away from home (lost 2-1). Says it all.
The point I was making of the team you mentioned attacking wise Varela Sess Blanco Brown/Saido is that how many of those would do any sort of tracking back or defending - I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying different team needs to be played depending on who we play
Also we lost 3-1 last season at Man City but agree the team that played last season was worse than today's
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jim68 on December 27, 2014, 07:45:08 AM
We had plenty of chances today, should have scored a couple of them. Irvine didn't do a lot wrong today, just one of them days where luck wasn't on our side. Keep the faith.
yes berahino the culprit on 2 occasions elected to shoot from tight angles when others were crying out  for a pass in the box greedy git
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Roolee on December 27, 2014, 08:29:16 AM
It's the same as last season we don't seem to know how to score. Again I question what they do in training. Scoring goals just be natural instinct not something you dither about on the edge of the box.

For me the coaching team are all responsible and it has to change not just the Head Coach.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 27, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
The point I was making of the team you mentioned attacking wise Varela Sess Blanco Brown/Saido is that how many of those would do any sort of tracking back or defending - I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying different team needs to be played depending on who we play
Also we lost 3-1 last season at Man City but agree the team that played last season was worse than today's

We actually lost 3-2 at home to Man City last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 27, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
We actually lost 3-2 at home to Man City last season.

The point I was making of the team you mentioned attacking wise Varela Sess Blanco Brown/Saido is that how many of those would do any sort of tracking back or defending - I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying different team needs to be played depending on who we play
Also we lost 3-1 last season at Man City but agree the team that played last season was worse than today's
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 27, 2014, 09:20:05 AM
Warnock facing the sack also...........
 :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 27, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
If we are serious about pulis we need to act now.

If JP has someone else in mind he needs to act now.

In short we need to act now!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2014, 09:36:54 AM
Please can we stop mentioning Pulis!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 27, 2014, 09:40:09 AM
Please can we stop mentioning Pulis!!!
Don't worry, he wouldn't work with Pinky and Perky anyway.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2014, 09:52:17 AM
The fact is, some people at the club are paid well to have a contingency plan in the event a new head coach is needed. It would appear a shake up on the coaching side and recruitment side is needed (two years of decline). Perhaps the summer recruitment changes will take time to filter through to us signing better players (or at least players with committment). The coaching side does appear to be stale and this could be a case of the players simply needing different 'voices' away from the familiar. The players after all are slipping into the same mistakes week after week and have been for a long time. It suggests to me the players are allowed to make mistakes. A little bit of fear never hurt anyone and perhaps fear that some of the more comfortable players are not irreplaceable might help. if possibly in Jan, I'd move on a few players, namely Anichrbe, Samaras, Davidson and Baird. You could replace Anichebe/ Samaras with one strong, hungry forward from a lower league. The squad mentality and character needs a shake up. We need one or two meaner characters in my opinion. Unfortunately for AI I think he's missed the opportunity to endear himself to fans with some positive performances against the better teams like yesterday so I wouldnt expect him to be the one to shake up the squad (not sure he'd be the man i'd choose for this anyway). In hindsight it appears AI could've worked as assistant to a stronger character.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 10:03:26 AM
The fact is, some people at the club are paid well to have a contingency plan in the event a new head coach is needed. It would appear a shake up on the coaching side and recruitment side is needed (two years of decline). Perhaps the summer recruitment changes will take time to filter through to us signing better players (or at least players with committment). The coaching side does appear to be stale and this could be a case of the players simply needing different 'voices' away from the familiar. The players after all are slipping into the same mistakes week after week and have been for a long time. It suggests to me the players are allowed to make mistakes. A little bit of fear never hurt anyone and perhaps fear that some of the more comfortable players are not irreplaceable might help. if possibly in Jan, I'd move on a few players, namely Anichrbe, Samaras, Davidson and Baird. You could replace Anichebe/ Samaras with one strong, hungry forward from a lower league. The squad mentality and character needs a shake up. We need one or two meaner characters in my opinion. Unfortunately for AI I think he's missed the opportunity to endear himself to fans with some positive performances against the better teams like yesterday so I wouldnt expect him to be the one to shake up the squad (not sure he'd be the man i'd choose for this anyway). In hindsight it appears AI could've worked as assistant to a stronger character.

Hard to disagree with any of that.

I'd definitely move on Samares, Anichebe, Davidson and Baird, plus Berahino of course.  Then look to strengthen in those areas.  Not easy in January, it never is, but big cash from Berahino sale puts us in a good position to pick up players of theirs instead.  Townsend, Lennon, Soldado and Lambert and Campbell might all be available, whether on loan or otherwise.  I'd also look to Ings and Ritchie (Bournemouth). 

However, that's all about transfers and the key is to sort the gaffer out first.  Is JP going to allow a new manager free reign with a cheque book?  Pigs might fly.  Does he trust Burton's judgement?  He has good reason not to.

I fear we will end in no-mans land, ie sell Berahino without properly replacing him, and sack Irvine without getting in the right MANAGER to replace him, in which case we'd be treading water when we are in dire need of a points bounce.

Some very big decisions for the board in the next week. They simply cannot afford to get this wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 27, 2014, 10:37:42 AM
Those players needed a good old fashioned kick up the backside at half time yesterday, and I just can't see AI being the man to deliver that.

He needs to go. And whoever comes in needs to have a bit of fire and passion in their demeanour.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 27, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
The problem is that if we sack Irvine and Kelly, then the old players mates Keith & Dean will take charge for a least a month before we get a new man in. I am sure that JP hasn't got anyone immediate lined up, so we will be stuck with Downing and Keily for that time and it will be too late for the new man to be able to save us from relegation. The mistakes JP made in the summer will come back to haunt us!   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 27, 2014, 11:06:43 AM
AI won't be gone for a while at least. Everyone in the media & the game is backing him to come good and say how good a coach he is to work with. JP obviously sees this, which is what is keeping him in the role.

We won't get Pulis - he wants different things to JP.

It's funny - before AI I would never have taken someone like Warnock or Pulis, but now I'd be happy with either of them. Cannot wait for the day AI leaves.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 11:09:54 AM
The problem is that if we sack Irvine and Kelly, then the old players mates Keith & Dean will take charge for a least a month before we get a new man in. I am sure that JP hasn't got anyone immediate lined up, so we will be stuck with Downing and Keily for that time and it will be too late for the new man to be able to save us from relegation. The mistakes JP made in the summer will come back to haunt us!   
I'd be horrified if JP and co hadn't been looking elsewhere this time around , it's not as if we have had a good run under Irvine in the last 3 months . I'm fairly confident they will have a few names in mind , as for Downing I'd back him to do a better job than the current bloke in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 27, 2014, 11:11:46 AM
I'd be horrified if JP and co hadn't been looking elsewhere this time around , it's not as if we have had a good run under Irvine in the last 3 months . I'm fairly confident they will have a few names in mind , as for Downing I'd back him to do a better job than the current bloke in charge.


Downing needs to go with Irvine and so does Keily. No point sacking one man when it'll have no real effect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 27, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
I'd be horrified if JP and co hadn't been looking elsewhere this time around , it's not as if we have had a good run under Irvine in the last 3 months . I'm fairly confident they will have a few names in mind , as for Downing I'd back him to do a better job than the current bloke in charge.

Going to be Dave Jones isn't it?  >:(

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 27, 2014, 11:13:30 AM

Downing needs to go with Irvine and so does Keily. No point sacking one man when it'll have no real effect.
What about JOINT-ASSISTANT HEAD COACH Rob Kelly, people tend to forget about him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 27, 2014, 11:14:54 AM
What about JOINT-ASSISTANT HEAD COACH Rob Kelly, people tend to forget about him.


Yep him too. We need to bring in a manager and let him bring in his own crew.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 27, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
He's gorra gew Tom.

I would like Jol or McInnes please. Each to come with two of their own coaches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 27, 2014, 11:19:48 AM
Anichebe in my eyes is a very useful player from the bench he would get 30 minutes most weeks in my eyes the problem is hes not fit hes constantly injured and we spent 6 million on him to play once a month and the other problem is when he is fit he starts games at home because Irvine doesn't recognize hes strengths so he stunts our attacking play and slows it down.

Tactically im not sure he knows what hes doing this business with attacking fullbacks that we have chosen to go for has failed in my eyes it exposes our centre backs to much and our flanks on both sides and when they do get forward wisdom in particular couldn't beat the first man with the cross ? Gardner cant get free kicks or crosses over the first man ? both of them practice this religiously in training i know that for fact so what does it come down to ? Are they just generally poor, Cant handle pressure ? I don't know.

when was the last time we scored a direct free kick ?

At home when the opposition have scored we didn't win a single game last season including some horrific mess ups from winning positions and we have carried on that record to date, So basically if a team scores against us at the Hawthorns the most we will get out the game is a point, Its all very frustrating hopefully we can reward them fans going to Stoke and get something.

Is Al to blame for all of these things considering the same problems were here long before he came ? He should share the blame but in my eyes he is one of many.

The saddest thing yesterday was the amount of people myself included who usually go up who just couldn't frankly be bothered the pub seemed a better option and that is sadder than any problem we have at the club in my eyes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boot2006 on December 27, 2014, 11:20:28 AM
We should keep AI.  The current squad is about set at best for 15th placed finish which is where I think we'll finish. We desperately need a goal scorer plus other attacking options. 
I hate watching us play at the moment, we're full of errors, I don't blame AI for all of our woes, he should take some blame but for me the squad is poor. 
AI is well respected in the game.  He knows what he's doing.  We need to improve the squad in the window to finish any better than 15th.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 11:22:48 AM

Downing needs to go with Irvine and so does Keily. No point sacking one man when it'll have no real effect.
If they sack Irvine it's highly unlikely the rest will go straight away other than Kelly , JP won't leave us rudderless and Downing did a good enough job last Winter in the short term.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 27, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
The great thing about playing two defensive midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 is it allows you to play three attacking midfielders (Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco) and attacking fullbacks (Gamboa and Pocognoli), making for a much more balanced side. Sadly Irvine is hugely lacking in terms of judging ability and tactical awareness.
could not agree more Yacob and Mulumbu playing in front of back four allows the likes of  Verala, Sess and AN other to get forward and i mean forward to support a decent lone striker when we can get one, and get your full backs playing a bit further up the pitch, people only slaughter Irvine for playing defensive midfielders because he sets them all  out that way so consequently none of them support the striker apart from Sess occasionly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 27, 2014, 11:24:35 AM
If they sack Irvine it's highly unlikely the rest will go straight away other than Kelly , JP won't leave us rudderless and Downing did a good enough job last Winter in the short term.

Burton would get the gig in caretaker position rather than Downing if it was up to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 27, 2014, 11:28:08 AM
Christ almighty he is still here. The head coach and his merry men coach this lot, indivual errors whatever for me the leader carrys the can. I suspect he's still here because we are not in the bottom three. Just seen him on sky and he knows his days are numbered . We had chances yesterday on the back of Man City going easy on us in the second
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 11:29:01 AM
Burton would get the gig in caretaker position rather than Downing if it was up to me.
I suggested that Yesterday but he has been out of first team football a while , don't want Malcolm Crosby situation like at Blues  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
If they sack Irvine it's highly unlikely the rest will go straight away other than Kelly , JP won't leave us rudderless and Downing did a good enough job last Winter in the short term.

They all need to go, they are all responsible.

I'd be happy to see Darren Moore and James Shan in charge on a caretaker basis with Lescott helping out until we get a new coaching team in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 11:33:17 AM
They all need to go, they are all responsible.

I'd be happy to see Darren Moore and James Shan in charge on a caretaker basis with Lescott helping out until we get a new coaching team in.
We have to be so careful  of a Terry Conner situation though , ideally a new man and his staff will be ready to come in straight away not weeks after.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
We have to be so careful  of a Terry Conner situation though , ideally a new man and his staff will be ready to come in straight away not weeks after.

We already have a Terry Connor situation with Downing and Kiely part of the furniture.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
We already have a Terry Connor situation with Downing and Kiely part of the furniture.
But they did get points over Xmas which others have failed with at this level , someone eat your last mince pie mate ? ;D
Back to Irvine , why hasn't he gone yet ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2014, 12:10:00 PM
But they did get points over Xmas which others have failed with at this level , someone eat your last mince pie mate ? ;D
Back to Irvine , why hasn't he gone yet ?

Don't like mince pies mate  :D

It needs a clearout, no time is a good time to do it but to keep them around just creates the same issues as before. That places needs freshening up, its stale, comfortable and too many of the players thinking Irvine & co are "nice" are way too complacent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 12:13:14 PM
Don't like mince pies mate  :D

It needs a clearout, no time is a good time to do it but to keep them around just creates the same issues as before. That places needs freshening up, its stale, comfortable and too many of the players thinking Irvine & co are "nice" are way too complacent.
I agree with the clear out but only if a full new coaching team is ready to come in not weeks away , i posted Yesterday we need a Manager/HC not a mate which is what appears to have happened again and can be seen in even the new players form now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 27, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
With all the back slapping that has been going on from some of the players i thinks its funny that not a peep from the fringe players has been heard.
I would love to hear a quote from Olson about the current HC.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
I agree with the clear out but only if a full new coaching team is ready to come in not weeks away , i posted Yesterday we need a Manager/HC not a mate which is what appears to have happened again and can be seen in even the new players form now.

Thats upto the board to stop wetting around as they have done before.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2014, 01:01:49 PM
Please can we stop mentioning Pulis!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 27, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Please can we stop mentioning Pulis!!!
Short term he would be exactly what is needed , his Palace side were hard working and good on the eye .
Whether that would have changed in the long term i don't know but i can see why many mention however unlikely it maybe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 27, 2014, 01:24:11 PM
Please can we stop mentioning Pulis!!!
He is proven at this level and what he did at Palace we could certainly use right now. He won't kiss up to the players and we'd be a different team from the first game.He isn't my first choice but we could and have done a lot worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on December 27, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
He is proven at this level and what he did at Palace we could certainly use right now. He won't kiss up to the players and we'd be a different team from the first game.He isn't my first choice but we could and have done a lot worse.

We did!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 27, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
This silly little experiment has not worked. No doubt Irvine was a cheap appointment and was ultra willing and enthusiastic. He must have thought he'd won the lottery by getting a Premier League top job. I don't blame him for taking the job.

I hope Peace has had a good hard look at himself and realised what a stupid appointment this was and is now about to make the kind of decision that will save this club.  It's up to him now. Get this right and we stay up and prosper. Get it wrong again and will go down and who knows how far we can slip.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 27, 2014, 01:54:55 PM
Yes we did.  i'd love to be fly on the wall of JP's office right now. I can only imagine the names being mulled over when he eventually pulls the plug on AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 27, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
if stoke give us a beating sunday that could be last game before we all get what we want IRVINE SACKED
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gazberg on December 27, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
Compared to Irvine, Tony Pulis would be a godsend.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 27, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
I haven't posted in this thread lately as I had nothing new to say. The unconvincing victory over Villa changed nothing for me, and the other results have just reinforced that it was a mistake to appoint Irvine.

With Warnock being sacked by Palace today, it'll be interesting to see if it makes Irvine's position more or less safe. It means there's another club wanting to appoint a Premier league-quality manager/coach, so would Peace want to be in a position having to compete with another club or would it make him back off from sacking Irvine for fear of the potential spectre of whoever our first choice candidate might be choosing Palace over us?

At least Palace have had the guts at this point in the year to call time on something that wasn't working for them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 27, 2014, 02:22:24 PM
Christ almighty he is still here. The head coach and his merry men coach this lot, indivual errors whatever for me the leader carrys the can. I suspect he's still here because we are not in the bottom three. Just seen him on sky and he knows his days are numbered . We had chances yesterday on the back of Man City going easy on us in the second
Agree. For first time he looked like he knew he was done. Didn't look like even he believed the 'We gave them a game second half' nonsense.
Be interesting to see how the players who have sang his praises react when h finally gets the boot, especially chief sycophant Gardner, think they'll have to take his boot laces off him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 02:50:19 PM
Yes we did.  i'd love to be fly on the wall of JP's office right now. I can only imagine the names being mulled over when he eventually pulls the plug on AI.

Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and Brian McDermott you mean?

Just stand back now and watch Palace hire Jol or Hoddle.

Don't be surprised if we hire Nigel Adkins or Uwe Rosler.  Mind you, I would take Adkins over all of them bar Jol and Hoddle.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 27, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Yes we did.  i'd love to be fly on the wall of JP's office right now. I can only imagine the names being mulled over when he eventually pulls the plug on AI.

He's probably checking the local under 9's leagues for a suitable candidate
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 27, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Agree. For first time he looked like he knew he was done. Didn't look like even he believed the 'We gave them a game second half' nonsense.
Be interesting to see how the players who have sang his praises react when h finally gets the boot, especially chief sycophant Gardner, think they'll have to take his boot laces off him.

I agree, he seemed resigned to it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 27, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
Peace wont make the same mistake again I am sure, imagine if he got someone like Dave Jones.. that would be the final straw with the fans. He wouldn't get the fans back after that.

He has a chance to recover from this massive mistake he made, he will get someone that the majority of fans will be happy with.

I don't think it would be Hughton, I mean he had the chance to get him in summer but still chose Irvine.

Pulis for me, even though it means changing the structure of the club.. but its obvious something needs to change it's just not working anymore, since Ashworth left.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on December 27, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
I would be shocked if he went for pulis. but we do need a strong character to do things his way not listen to laurel and hardy regarding team matters. watching Morrison yesterday reminded me of a boy wandering onto the pitch during an adult football match.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2014, 03:45:47 PM
This silly little experiment has not worked. No doubt Irvine was a cheap appointment and was ultra willing and enthusiastic. He must have thought he'd won the lottery by getting a Premier League top job. I don't blame him for taking the job.

I hope Peace has had a good hard look at himself and realised what a stupid appointment this was and is now about to make the kind of decision that will save this club.  It's up to him now. Get this right and we stay up and prosper. Get it wrong again and will go down and who knows how far we can slip.
Experiment is exactly what this appointment is, we are a qualified prem club with 5 years experience yet the club treat and trust the most important part of the club like some cheap joke. we've made it passed all the exams to get here so stop wetting around employing someone without the required skills and experience needed to take us forward. its like asking the stewardess to fly the plane. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
I haven't posted in this thread lately as I had nothing new to say. The unconvincing victory over Villa changed nothing for me, and the other results have just reinforced that it was a mistake to appoint Irvine.

With Warnock being sacked by Palace today, it'll be interesting to see if it makes Irvine's position more or less safe. It means there's another club wanting to appoint a Premier league-quality manager/coach, so would Peace want to be in a position having to compete with another club or would it make him back off from sacking Irvine for fear of the potential spectre of whoever our first choice candidate might be choosing Palace over us?

At least Palace have had the guts at this point in the year to call time on something that wasn't working for them.
brilliant idea lets sack Irvine, palace employ Irvine= 1 relagation spot taken.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 27, 2014, 03:56:10 PM
Experiment is exactly what this appointment is, we are a qualified prem club with 5 years experience yet the club treat and trust the most important part of the club like some cheap joke. we've made it passed all the exams to get here so stop wetting around employing someone without the required skills and experience needed to take us forward. its like asking the stewardess to fly the plane.

Pepe Mel was an experiment, Clarke was an experiment, most of our appointments are. We rarely go for someone with vast experience. No way would Pulis come here, we had Ashworth here when we appointed Roy and he had to take a lot of convincing. I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather us stick with Irvine for the time being and see if our form can pick up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 27, 2014, 04:00:39 PM
How many other coaching teams in the prem have 2 x joint assistant head coaches?

It's a joke really - 'joint assistant head coach' !!! One puts out the cones, the other plugs in the DVD player.

Basically, Downing must know something really dodgy about JP to be kept on and have his position made so secure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 27, 2014, 04:01:12 PM
Well for me Peace has now got to back him or sack him - before 1st Jan.

Get him a Premiership CM, Winger and/or two Prem Strikers and see what he can do - or get rid and hope for a Hodgson scenario and a run of results to keep us up.

I actually felt sorry for AI yesterday with his players letting him down - but he sets the team up to play and I see a lack of belief and control that we have had before.

I just hope we pick enough points up to stay above the bottom 3 - but I just get that horrible feeling.........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 27, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
Pepe Mel was an experiment, Clarke was an experiment, most of our appointments are. We rarely go for someone with vast experience. No way would Pulis come here, we had Ashworth here when we appointed Roy and he had to take a lot of convincing. I know I'm in the minority but I'd rather us stick with Irvine for the time being and see if our form can pick up.

I might be wrong but didnt Roy actively seek the job.

The convincing was in his own mind about his freshness for a job after leaving Liverpool.

Roy since has said that he enjoyed working in the set up and by all accounts as a very good relationship with JP.

I do agree though the appointments of RDM, Clarke and Mel were all experiments that either worked for a while but didnt work at all. Like you I do doubt that Pulis would want to relinquish some control that our system does but hes also said to be interested in the Brighton role which shows he obviously is desperate for a management return.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 27, 2014, 04:48:32 PM
I might be wrong but didnt Roy actively seek the job.

The convincing was in his own mind about his freshness for a job after leaving Liverpool.

Roy since has said that he enjoyed working in the set up and by all accounts as a very good relationship with JP.

I do agree though the appointments of RDM, Clarke and Mel were all experiments that either worked for a while but didnt work at all. Like you I do doubt that Pulis would want to relinquish some control that our system does but hes also said to be interested in the Brighton role which shows he obviously is desperate for a management return.

I think Pulis was on Talksport last week saying he'd be open to talk to anyone but he left Palace 48 hours before the start of the season because they wouldn't sign the players he wanted and I think that would put Peace off. I think Sherwood will still be in the club's thoughts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on December 27, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
I don't feel sorry for Irvine. It was a once in a lifetime chance to get Premier League Head Coach onto his CV, so basically he had nothing to lose. Just a pity it has knocked us back as a club. 

The big problem is who do we replace him with. For me, how WBA plays is just as important as results. For that reason I could never be happy with Pulis. Even the Stokies had enough of his anti football style.
I think Eddie Howe would be a great choice, but given where Bournemouth are now, he probably fancies his chances of playing in the Prem next year anyway.

Although there was a language problem with Pepe Mel I think we should still consider a foreign appointment. With Dutch or German manager there would not be a language problem. Of the Dutch trainers, the previous national coach, Bert van Marwijk, would be the pick. I was previously suggesting Ronald Koeman whilst he was at Feyenoord, which wouldn't have been a bad choice!

Assuming, AI gets the bullet soon, I hope the new man gets sufficient time to impose his own shape and playing style before it's too late.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Wollaston01 on December 27, 2014, 05:29:21 PM
Why would Howe leave a club going to be promoted to the Prem to join one heading for relegation with the tightest chairman in any league? No decent manager is going to join Albion when he is expected to work miracles with no investment, the inevitable sale of our top goal scorer in January and having to beg and borrow players on the cheap.
We will not get a good manager or squad until Peace is gone and we get a chairman who puts success before bean counting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 27, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
Mind you Clarke was booted out on a sunday

Clarke was sacked on a Saturday night after we lost at Cardiff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 27, 2014, 06:13:03 PM
I meant Saturday ive lost track of the days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggies37 on December 27, 2014, 06:45:44 PM
might be utter rubbish but there's a link here

https://twitter.com/_footytalk_

make of it what you will
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TLMS17 on December 27, 2014, 06:52:49 PM
We actually lost 3-2 at home to Man City last season.
We were talking about the game under Mel at City not the home game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 07:00:23 PM
might be utter rubbish but there's a link here

https://twitter.com/_footytalk_

make of it what you will

There's a 90% chance they are right! I guess

Palace seem to be after Vitor Pereira, the former Porto boss.  Wonder if Varela can have a word....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2014, 07:17:08 PM
There's a 90% chance they are right! I guess

Palace seem to be after Vitor Pereira, the former Porto boss.  Wonder if Varela can have a word....
Porto,  the club that froze Varela out?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 27, 2014, 07:17:36 PM
might be utter rubbish but there's a link here

https://twitter.com/_footytalk_

make of it what you will

Any chance of elaborating for those of us who dont have a twitter account.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 07:20:11 PM
Any chance of elaborating for those of us who dont have a twitter account.

You don't need a Twitter account to view a Twitter account, only if you want to post.  If you click the link you will go straight to it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
Any chance of elaborating for those of us who dont have a twitter account.
The "footy talk" link should tell you all you need to know.  ;)

According to their "sources" West Brom board have decided to sack Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
Porto,  the club that froze Varela out?

Same club but different manager.   Pereira left after guiding Porto to the league title in May 2013. It was his successor who froze out Varela.  Pereira was interviewed by Everton to replace Moyes but went to Al Ahli in Dubai.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 27, 2014, 07:38:02 PM
Any chance of elaborating for those of us who dont have a twitter account.

They are basically one of those twitter pages that post a "world exclusive" every 5 minutes. Claiming to have been "informed" etc. I'm not saying none of it is true, just take it with a pinch of salt!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 27, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
You don't need a Twitter account to view a Twitter account, only if you want to post.  If you click the link you will go straight to it

Cheers mukka & vvvalbion to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 27, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
I do not use "Twatter" as it is easily hacked. Just saying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 28, 2014, 12:29:57 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/548858/West-Brom-Alan-Irvine-faces-sack-lose-Stoke

The man himself doesn't seem too confident about his place if we lose tomorrow.

Shame.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 28, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11314912/Alan-Irvine-to-face-the-sack-if-West-Brom-lose-heavily-at-Stoke-City.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11314912/Alan-Irvine-to-face-the-sack-if-West-Brom-lose-heavily-at-Stoke-City.html)
Alan Irvine to face the sack if West Brom lose heavily at Stoke City
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on December 28, 2014, 06:36:42 AM
Personally I would welcome the sacking of AI, not so sure I would welcome the six week debacle surrounding the appointment of his replacement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on December 28, 2014, 07:21:24 AM
If he does go just who do we get..?..there seems to be a real dirth of any managerial talent available. Surely the likes of Pullis and Jol are only short term fixes...isnt it time we found someone who is around for the journey....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
If he does go just who do we get..?..there seems to be a real dirth of any managerial talent available. Surely the likes of Pullis and Jol are only short term fixes...isnt it time we found someone who is around for the journey....

Seems that both McLaren and Southgate are on the Palace target list. I'd be gutted if either of those gave up their current posts to go to Palace ahead of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2014, 08:33:30 AM
Seems that both McLaren and Southgate are on the Palace target list. I'd be gutted if either of those gave up their current posts to go to Palace ahead of us.


It's not ahead of us though is it? We don't have a vacancy ...................... unfortunately.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 09:00:40 AM

It's not ahead of us though is it? We don't have a vacancy ...................... unfortunately.

Not until later this afternoon
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 28, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
Just don't know how i want us to do this afternoon. Obviously want us to win, but we could be in another period of manager hiatus or stick with Alan for an extended period depending on the outcome :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 28, 2014, 09:11:56 AM
Just read Irvine's response to the City game, words to the effect "I try to leave nothing to chance", well that's the problem, isn't it, you have to leave something to chance, you can't fill the players heads with detail, that's where the tension's coming from.  It's football, it's kicking a bladder around, not rocket science.

I hold out little hope for Stoke today, but maybe it's our turn for a penalty after the last two?  Chance?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
Just don't know how i want us to do this afternoon. Obviously want us to win, but we could be in another period of manager hiatus or stick with Alan for an extended period depending on the outcome :'(


It's a horrible situation isn't it? I'm 41 years old and I've seen this scenario many, many times at the Albion. One thing I do know is when you get to this stage the change has to come, I have never, ever known any manager / coach turn things round from this sort of position and that's not putting a slant on anything, that's the truth. That said I've never known a really unpopular appointment like Irvine work out either, he was doomed before he started really and Peace has to take it on the chin for this one, stupid, stupid appointment and either arrogant or naive.

We may win this game and delay the inevitable it's perfectly possible,  but it will not disguise the fact that the club needs change, proper change.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 28, 2014, 10:04:55 AM

It's a horrible situation isn't it? I'm 41 years old and I've seen this scenario many, many times at the Albion. One thing I do know is when you get to this stage the change has to come, I have never, ever known any manager / coach turn things round from this sort of position and that's not putting a slant on anything, that's the truth. That said I've never known a really unpopular appointment like Irvine work out either, he was doomed before he started really and Peace has to take it on the chin for this one, stupid, stupid appointment and either arrogant or naive.

We may win this game and delay the inevitable it's perfectly possible,  but it will not disguise the fact that the club needs change, proper change.

You're absolutely right. As soon as he was announced there was an almighty uproar and it's continued ever since, with around 80% of the fans still wanting him gone.

I think JP's decision to appoint AI was a little of both. He wanted to show he's the boss, but also thought someone knew / unproven could work wonders. It's backfired and a big change is needed, not just AI but the coaching staff too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on December 28, 2014, 10:38:04 AM
I'll say this much for Pulis, whilst his football at Stoke was dross and dour, his football at Crystal Palace did have a more attacking threat to it and was more entertaining- look at the Liverpool game! He has a track record of ensuring safety and provided he plays more like he did at Palace I could accept him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
You're absolutely right. As soon as he was announced there was an almighty uproar and it's continued ever since, with around 80% of the fans still wanting him gone.

I think JP's decision to appoint AI was a little of both. He wanted to show he's the boss, but also thought someone knew / unproven could work wonders. It's backfired and a big change is needed, not just AI but the coaching staff too.

To an extent I can see Peace's point.  Far too many chairmen have backed managers who are serial failures, so there is a lot of merit in appointing young up and coming managers like Howe, Southgate, Rosler, Robinson etc, even Clarke and Di Matteo at the time. All of them will be learning from their experiences from their first foray into management.

But that's not the same as doing it cheaply, which is what Irvine's appointment was. At 55 he is not up and coming, and had already failed twice as a number 1 at a lower level and with no experience in the PL.  If Peace had gone for someone like Howe or Rosler and it had failed, then it would have been far easier to accept.

However, we are a proven established PL club and we need to start behaving like one, rather than going for the cheap option just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 11:05:35 AM
If AI goes we have got to go for an experienced man who takes no bull, otherwise the senior players at this club will run the show as they have since roy left.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 28, 2014, 11:29:00 AM
Irvine was a poor appointment that was compounded by the insistence on keeping Downing and possibly Kiely which left some players still in their comfort zone. It was very obvious on Friday that something is very wrong at the club. The lack of passion organisation for a Boxing Day game against the champions spoke volumes. Change is needed sooner rather than later if we are to have any chance of survival,although personally I feel the damage is already done :( :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on December 28, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
Just what went through JP's mind when he made the decision to employe a man with awful Managerial credentials at lower league clubs ?...I work for BAE Systems ..would be a bit like bringing in the local Argos (nothing against Argos Managers) Manager to run our company and 6 months down the line wondering why things have gone to **********
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 11:59:57 AM
If we can spend 10 million on a player then we can do the same getting in the right coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 12:10:19 PM
If we can spend 10 million on a player then we can do the same getting in the right coach
I totally agree and 22 million on 3 players if you count Sess and Vic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
If we can spend 10 million on a player then we can do the same getting in the right coach

Bang on, sir.

Although I think it ought to be a manager now, the head coach thing for me is NOT working.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 28, 2014, 12:44:25 PM
To an extent I can see Peace's point.  Far too many chairmen have backed managers who are serial failures, so there is a lot of merit in appointing young up and coming managers like Howe, Southgate, Rosler, Robinson etc, even Clarke and Di Matteo at the time. All of them will be learning from their experiences from their first foray into management.

But that's not the same as doing it cheaply, which is what Irvine's appointment was. At 55 he is not up and coming, and had already failed twice as a number 1 at a lower level and with no experience in the PL.  If Peace had gone for someone like Howe or Rosler and it had failed, then it would have been far easier to accept.

However, we are a proven established PL club and we need to start behaving like one, rather than going for the cheap option just for the sake of it.

There may be an element of truth in that but I personally believe that he was mainly appointed because of other potential candidates not accepting the strict conditions that JP applies. Remember Irvine was apparently approached as I understand and hadn't applied for the vacancy and if true would indicate that there had been breakdowns in pursuing other candidates for whatever reason and hence the subsequent spin from the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 28, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
There may be an element of truth in that but I personally believe that he was mainly appointed because of other potential candidates not accepting the strict conditions that JP applies. Remember Irvine was apparently approached as I understand and hadn't applied for the vacancy and if true would indicate that there had been breakdowns in pursuing other candidates for whatever reason and hence the subsequent spin from the club.
In other words - a panic appointment, and one that has backfired miserably. JP isn't going to change tact and appoint a manager rather than a coach. If he did then he would also have to get rid of Burtom and Day. I am afraid we are lumbered with Irvine whatever the consequences. JP has made a rod for his own back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
I understand that we tried to employ Santa Claus but we couldn't get him to take a winter break from his day job. I also think a further stumbling block was his inability to bring the tooth fairy in as his number two. Ok, it is only speculation and I have nothing to substantiate it but I'll put it out there and see how quickly it gets picked up on as fact.
The spin that came from the club was that they didn't get the job as they were fictional characters but I am not convinced.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on December 28, 2014, 02:22:18 PM
my feelings can no longer be hidden; get him out.

What a terrible line up for the Stoke game.

Why has he returned to that midfield!?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 28, 2014, 02:25:07 PM

Why has he returned to that midfield!?


Softer feet than under Mowbray.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
Is he genuinely trying to get sacked?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 04:29:06 PM
I've got this horrid feeling he'll still be here next week despite the result today.

JP won't want a new man In before the transfer window closes.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 28, 2014, 04:33:45 PM
I've got this horrid feeling he'll still be here next week despite the result today.

JP won't want a new man In before the transfer window closes.



JP is running out of time, West Ham will be his last game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 28, 2014, 04:35:06 PM
He's going tonight
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 04:36:24 PM
No doubt certain people will be on here saying what a good side Stoke are!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
So, 2-0 down after failing to convert several first half chances.

I guess that's what happens when you leave your only natural goalscorer on the bench and replace him with a striker who can't even finish his own lunch.

Sounds like we've been unlucky but you make your own luck in this game and Irvine doesn't give himself the best chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 28, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
He is out tonight no way will he be in charge for West Ham, no two ways about it for me he is a going to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 28, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
He is out tonight no way will he be in charge for West Ham, no two ways about it for me he is a going to.

Agree, no chance he will still be here by tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
He is out tonight no way will he be in charge for West Ham, no two ways about it for me he is a going to.

I sure hope you are right.

JP can see half his share value evaporating in front of him right now.   There's no way he will keep Irvine in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
No doubt certain people will be on here saying what a good side Stoke are!

So will Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on December 28, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
He won't survive now, the away fans took him to pieces over the subs.

Fully expect his dismissal this evening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on December 28, 2014, 04:40:34 PM
No doubt certain people will be on here saying what a good side Stoke are!



Yes the usual suspects
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 28, 2014, 04:40:47 PM
JP that he made the biggest total feck up imaginable by hiring irvine and not sacking kiely or downing. Burton needs to go because his suggestion of Irvine is a total disgrace. If the club hasnt planned for irvines departure and the selling of berahino, brunt, olsen and morrison and the funds being used to strengthen the first eleven (not the squad, first eleven) then they might as well give up and not bother playing any other games this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boot2006 on December 28, 2014, 04:42:22 PM
Its Peace and Burton that should be leaving.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 28, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
Close the door on the way out.  Nicely improved pension.  Go and coach somewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
Its Peace and Burton that should be leaving.

Unless you want to cough up £100m then Peace is going no where.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 04:46:17 PM
Has anyone been listening to 5 Live this afternoon? The media are already sharpening their knives to give us a bashing when we inevitably sack this clown. Accusing the fans of having a sense of "entitlement" and implying we should be happy with a boss of Irvine's calibre.

Whatever, he has to go this evening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboytom on December 28, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
I didn't think in my lifetime it would ever come to this but I'm going to put it out there...

Jeremy go get TONY PULIS!!!

Get rid of the whole coaching staff and give tony whatever he wants to come and save my football club from this twit!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:47:34 PM
I don't think he will go until at least after West Ham game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 04:47:41 PM
Seeing Burnley level at City where they've given it a right go, compared to us just caving in at home to City, just shows our lack of fight.  Leicester leading at Hull. Clubs around us are showing fight and bottle - we are hurtling downwards without a whimper.

It hurts.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 28, 2014, 04:48:26 PM
I want Pulis been saying it for weeks.

Picking players like Baird, Wisdon, and Morrison over the likes of Gamboa Yacob, is just mind blowing. Irvine may be a good coach, but tactician he aint.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:48:38 PM
The appointment is still laughable when you think about it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
Has anyone been listening to 5 Live this afternoon? The media are already sharpening their knives to give us a bashing when we inevitably sack this clown. Accusing the fans of having a sense of "entitlement" and implying we should be happy with a boss of Irvine's calibre.

Whatever, he has to go this evening.

Those will be the same idiots who thought we were mad to sack Clarke. They know nothing about our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 04:49:39 PM
The appointment is still laughable when you think about it!

Always was, always will be!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Those will be the same idiots who thought we were mad to sack Clarke. They know nothing about our club.

It took Clarke ages to get a gig at Reading. Hardly has clubs queuing up for him but the media won't mention that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 04:50:28 PM
He will get the West Ham game. Given our caretakers will be Kiely and Downing and we wont get a manager til February, its not going to be enjoyable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 04:51:58 PM
He will get the West Ham game. Given our caretakers will be Kiely and Downing and we wont get a manager til February, its not going to be enjoyable.

There will be riots if that's the case

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
Seeing Burnley level at City where they've given it a right go, compared to us just caving in at home to City, just shows our lack of fight.  Leicester leading at Hull. Clubs around us are showing fight and bottle - we are hurtling downwards without a whimper.

It hurts.

It does.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 04:52:49 PM
It isnt just irvine that needs to go though. The problem isnt solved by sacking him. Theres 3 men there that have to go!!! Irvine,kiely and downing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 28, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
I actually feel sorry for him. For a start he's a COACH. He should never be managing a team as he's not good enough, he showed that wity Preston and Sheffield Wednesday.

Also he's come into a team where he doesn't even know who our record signing is, never seen him play or nothing. How can any system that allows that work?!?

He's come into a place where people like Downing and Kiely are FAR TOO COMFORTABLE with their jobs and as the years have progressed ww have regressed wity their coaching. Just look at Foster for example.

There is also clicks in the team, people who can't be dropped. This is a lottle his fault as he should have the bottle to drop them but i don't think it's in his DNA.

Either way when he is sacked, my anger will be vented at JEREMY PEACE and TERRY BURTON for appointing him in the first place. Didn't JP say he was going to take more responsibility the start of the season and that last year was down to him. Well this year is also down to him. He has to go for me as well. Great businessman,terrible football man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
There will be riots if that's the case

Its takenus > 4 weeks to appoint our last 3head coaches, i see no reason to think this will be different.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 04:53:52 PM
It isnt just irvine that needs to go though. The problem isnt solved by sacking him. Theres 3 men there that have to go!!! Irvine,kiely and downing

Agreed!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 04:53:58 PM
Those will be the same idiots who thought we were mad to sack Clarke. They know nothing about our club.

A Liverpool supporter mentioned the Clarke thing to me only last night. Outsiders know nothing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 28, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
You're getting sacked in the morning.

Bye bye Alan F****** Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 28, 2014, 04:58:46 PM
You're getting sacked in the morning.

Bye bye Alan F****** Irvine.

Lets have some class. He's a hard working man who seems to have honestly given it his best. He's too timid and too negative, but there's no need for that type of stuff. It's a classless shame he's been subjected to that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 28, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
Nice guy but out of his depth. Needs to go tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:00:09 PM
Complete clear out including Burton tonight, JP gets to stay for obvious reasons. Big Dave has caretaker. We would all support this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 28, 2014, 05:00:26 PM
Irvine is one of the big factors, but its not just him, Downing, Kiely, Peace and a number of players who are past their sell by date now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 28, 2014, 05:00:37 PM
Nice guy but out of his depth. Needs to go tonight.
Agreed, gave it a shot and wasn't up for it. Nice bloke just the wrong choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on December 28, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
Do the honourable thing Alan and quit.

If he don't, I don't think Peace will sack him yet.  :-\


Pinky & Perky can do one as well

Hope I get some good news that he has been sacked, because this has ruined my Christmas period.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 28, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
Enough. Witless and clueless in the second half. We need to give the new manager a running start by appointing in time for Gateshead and Hull. They also need a couple of weeks to prepare for the transfer window as we need to move on some players and maybe sell Berahino. Big changes required and a fresh impetus.

I will be happy when we start with a midfield that doesn't feature four identical players - we need Mulumbu and Jacob back.

I hope Irvine gets his job back at Everton. He's seems a nice chap; but sadly massively out of his depth in the Premier League

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 28, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
Its takenus > 4 weeks to appoint our last 3head coaches, i see no reason to think this will be different.

The muppet JP should have been planning, he's has since July to plan the appointment, this surely wouldn't have come as a shock to him? 30k Albion fans knew he wouldn't see new year in..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on December 28, 2014, 05:03:35 PM
anyone know why we are reluctant to bring martin jol as head coach
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:03:44 PM
Complete clear out including Burton tonight, JP gets to stay for obvious reasons. Big Dave has caretaker. We would all support this

No we bloody wouldn't.  Not a time for a novice, regardless of his club connections. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
His supporters will no doubt say he's keeping us out the bottom three :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 28, 2014, 05:04:21 PM
I blame the system we use! He can't get a say in the players brought in, and with pinky&perky in his ear its hopeless! Sack them pair and make him MANAGER!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
anyone know why we are reluctant to bring martin jol as head coach

Presumably the reluctance is from Jol not wanting to work within our structure.  Just like every other manager worth his salt.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
No we bloody wouldn't.  Not a time for a novice, regardless of his club connections.




I said caretaker, one or two games
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on December 28, 2014, 05:05:47 PM
 although we were unlucky today, he played the wrong team again no yacob and mulumbu areas in which bojan likes too roam
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
It matters not who is "head coach/manager", we have a group of players who are performing to the level that can really be expected of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
No we bloody wouldn't.  Not a time for a novice, regardless of his club connections.

Agreed. It's a bit hypocritical of us to be berating Irvine for being out of his depth, yet support the appointment of the likes of Big Dave or McInnes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2014, 05:06:54 PM
well the 12month contract can be ripped up now.
So many errors today Alan, you cannot blame anyone but yourself for this.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
It matters not who is "head coach/manager", we have a group of players who are performing to the level that can really be expected of them.

16th in the table, we're not much better than that are we really. We played well today, just not having the luck.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on December 28, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
martin jol has worked with a technical directer in the past
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
It matters not who is "head coach/manager", we have a group of players who are performing to the level that can really be expected of them.



Gary Rowett in at the blues, totally turned it around. The right appointment will save us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 05:08:26 PM
It matters not who is "head coach/manager", we have a group of players who are performing to the level that can really be expected of them.

If that is the case why doesn't Irvine make wholesale changes?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
I've just sent several e-mails to the enquiries@ address.... I suggest everyone just bombard the bloody system and give JP some earache.

Unless you think everything is peachy of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:09:41 PM
martin jol has worked with a technical directer in the past

Yes but he hasn't had to work with Downing and Kiely beneath him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:10:26 PM
I've just sent several e-mails to the enquiries@ address.... I suggest everyone just bombard the bloody system and give JP some earache.

Unless you think everything is peachy of course.

Did that last week.  And the week before
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 28, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
I wouldn't want Jol, another nice guy and been out a job a while now.

Give me someone to russle a few feathers and put some players in there place, not scared to drop players because of the clique.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 05:11:30 PM
Did that last week.  And the week before

Good man. Worth a shot at the very least.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 28, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
16th in the table, we're not much better than that are we really. We played well today, just not having the luck.

Aren't we though?!? The likes of Wisdom starting, Yacob and Mulumbu not. Saido on the bench. We can do much better than this and we are better!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
If that is the case why doesn't Irvine make wholesale changes?
Because the squad isn't up to it?

Make wholesale changes to weaken the side further?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:13:39 PM
I wouldn't want Jol, another nice guy and been out a job a while now.

Give me someone to russle a few feathers and put some players in there place, not scared to drop players because of the clique.

I don't think anyone has said Jol is a nice guy before.  He'll ruffle some feathers
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
WBA in Devon, yeah I'd take Big Dave as caretaker for a bit.

Can't think of a better galvanising forces in the short term. At least until 'due process' or whatever it's called gets Tim Sherwood in......

These boys need some elastic bands round their nuts and I think Tim would do it....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 05:13:56 PM
16th in the table, we're not much better than that are we really. We played well today, just not having the luck.
I agree about the luck but were stoke any better than us, not in my opinion. we should be better than 16th with this squad the wrong players played over and over again ,players like wisdom and Morrison who are out of form picked time and time again. we needed specialist defensive midfielders today yet he picked 4 players who are neither, in fact 3 of them have been here too long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 05:14:06 PM
It matters not who is "head coach/manager", we have a group of players who are performing to the level that can really be expected of them.

So to preserve your ego - sack all the players and lets hang on to that nice Mr.Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
WBA in Devon, yeah I'd take Big Dave as caretaker for a bit.

Can't think of a better galvanising forces in the short term. At least until 'due process' or whatever it's called gets Tim Sherwood in......

These boys need some elastic bands round their nuts and I think Tim would do it....



2 games tops, surely we have someone lined up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 28, 2014, 05:15:52 PM
Just to let you guys know I'm firing up my CV in anticipation of his sacking. I took York City to League 1 from the conference, and have taken Uruguay to 3rd place in the World Cup.

I'd play Gamboa, Yacob and Mulumbu. I'd address the lack of belief in the team and ask the club to stop playing dire music before the match in order to let the crowd generate some noise.

Anyone want to be a reference? :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
Because the squad isn't up to it?

Make wholesale changes to weaken the side further?

Picking your strongest side to begin with would be a good start. Todays starting 11 was woeful.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
Because the squad isn't up to it?

Make wholesale changes to weaken the side further?

No, but at least give players who are not performing the kick up the backside they deserve.

Foster is our number 1 and when on form better than Myhill, however I would have dropped him and the likes of Gardner, Wisdom etc today.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on December 28, 2014, 05:18:45 PM
Kiely Downing Burton definitely and Irvine all have to go.
Pulis or Sherwood for me with new backroom staff. (as I said before we appointed Irvine)
Keep Berahino, buy another centre half, another striker and a new keeper to challenge Foster
Play Gamboa Verela Berahino + new centre half and new striker every week.
If we don’t go for a MANAGER and continue with a head coach we have no hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 05:19:45 PM
Because the squad isn't up to it?

Make wholesale changes to weaken the side further?
how do you know it weakens the side further without trying it. gamboa should get a full game over wisdom just to see if its better, blanco could get a game over dorrans and Morrison who've been poor all season.whens the last time we started a game with two strikers on the pitch. to keep sticking to the same formula that's failing every week is madness. we may as well carry a squad of 20 players if your not willing to give several players a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:20:06 PM
Aren't we though?!? The likes of Wisdom starting, Yacob and Mulumbu not. Saido on the bench. We can do much better than this and we are better!

Saido is a case in point. A bloke who prior to last season has 14 league two appearances, 8 league one appearances,  and 10 Championship appearances is the bloke that we are relying on to score the goals to keep us up. I do not mean to put him down, he is a prospect, but he hasn't scored in 9 (?) matches. He may get his million pound transfer in January and will no doubt warm the bench for a side aiming to get in the Europa Cup.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 05:20:20 PM
Aren't we though?!? The likes of Wisdom starting, Yacob and Mulumbu not. Saido on the bench. We can do much better than this and we are better!

Yacob was poor for a lot of games last season, we were better off playing with 10 men sometimes. Ideye got given a chance like many fans were asking for. Gamboa was playing in the Norwegian League last season but is deemed by some a better right back than a player who's played Premier League football for Liverpool and a season in the Championship for a good Derby team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2014, 05:25:52 PM
Yacob was poor for a lot of games last season, we were better off playing with 10 men sometimes. Ideye got given a chance like many fans were asking for. Gamboa was playing in the Norwegian League last season but is deemed by some a better right back than a player who's played Premier League football for Liverpool and a season in the Championship for a good Derby team.

He's played 14 times for Liverpool,  big deal. Wisdom has been awful for a large part of the season yet get picked continually.  How do we know that Gamboa is no better if he isn't getting a chance? Making the same mistakes over and over again in the hope that it will finally work is plain stupidity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 28, 2014, 05:27:31 PM
Yacob was poor for a lot of games last season, we were better off playing with 10 men sometimes. Ideye got given a chance like many fans were asking for. Gamboa was playing in the Norwegian League last season but is deemed by some a better right back than a player who's played Premier League football for Liverpool and a season in the Championship for a good Derby team.
So, what's your answer to our current predicament then? Do nothing and hope for some luck?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 05:27:32 PM
Saido is a case in point. A bloke who prior to last season has 14 league two appearances, 8 league one appearances,  and 10 Championship appearances is the bloke that we are relying on to score the goals to keep us up. I do not mean to put him down, he is a prospect, but he hasn't scored in 9 (?) matches. He may get his million pound transfer in January and will no doubt warm the bench for a side aiming to get in the Europa Cup.

We haven't got an Odemwingie, Lukaku or Shane Long like previous Head coaches had. That's the difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 28, 2014, 05:28:33 PM
Never mind all the arguing......whens he getting the sack?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
So, what's your answer to our current predicament then? Do nothing and hope for some luck?

My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on December 28, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
lost 2-0 The End (hopefully)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:31:04 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.



You have to get rid of Irvine now. The supporters will simply not accept Irvine getting money to spend
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 28, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.
......and the deadwood is?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.

Weren't that what we tried to do back in the summer? What makes you think January will be any different? We all know that JP doesn't buy in January. This squad is still full of holes but the right manager would get better results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 05:33:07 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.

Please open your eyes as to how the club operates!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 05:33:19 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.
wasn't he backed in the summer, or are we saying none of the players bought in was anything to do with Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:33:24 PM
how do you know it weakens the side further without trying it. gamboa should get a full game over wisdom just to see if its better, blanco could get a game over dorrans and Morrison who've been poor all season.whens the last time we started a game with two strikers on the pitch. to keep sticking to the same formula that's failing every week is madness. we may as well carry a squad of 20 players if your not willing to give several players a chance.

To be fair, I don't work with the players seven days a week, and therefore take it on an element of trust that they pick the best players available for any given situation (after all, their living depends upon it).

When was the last time that we had two strikers available who offered something different. One of the things that I have been consistantly discussing is our lack of fire power up front. We don't have options available to us. Berahino and Ideye appear to be from the same mould, Anichebe is rarely fit and can never be classed as a consistant goalscorer, Samaras has featured when available but doesn't look like the answer.... and then where do you go?

Our squad is probably one of the best that we have had in the modern era and there is better competition for places and when injuries and suspensions kick in  I doubt we will be as hammered as in previous years, but we are still only a finish around 14th at best side and no manager alone will change that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
judging by selections

deadwood is gamboa, blanco, mulla, yacob, latterly berahino

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 28, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Enough. Witless and clueless in the second half. We need to give the new manager a running start by appointing in time for Gateshead and Hull. They also need a couple of weeks to prepare for the transfer window as we need to move on some players and maybe sell Berahino. Big changes required and a fresh impetus.

I will be happy when we start with a midfield that doesn't feature four identical players - we need Mulumbu and Jacob back.

I hope Irvine gets his job back at Everton. He's seems a nice chap; but sadly massively out of his depth in the Premier League
what he said, spot on all round
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 05:35:15 PM
......and the deadwood is?

Morrison, brunt, Dorrans, Olson. They all need to go. They're part of this boys club along with Kiely and Downing.

If we can get rid of Downing and Kiely and get someone in who can actually man manage, some of the above players may be able to do a job. Maybe.

The way I see it we are doing a wolves and it's only going to end one way unless major change happens quickly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:36:04 PM
Morrison, brunt, Dorrans, Olson. They all need to go. They're part of this boys club along with Kiely and Downing.

If we can get rid of Downing and Kiely and get someone in who can actually man manage, some of the above players may be able to do a job.

The way I see it we are doing a wolves and it's only going to end one way unless major change happens quickly.
To be fair, I don't work with the players seven days a week, and therefore take it on an element of trust that they pick the best players available for any given situation (after all, their living depends upon it).

When was the last time that we had two strikers available who offered something different. One of the things that I have been consistantly discussing is our lack of fire power up front. We don't have options available to us. Berahino and Ideye appear to be from the same mould, Anichebe is rarely fit and can never be classed as a consistant goalscorer, Samaras has featured when available but doesn't look like the answer.... and then where do you go?

Our squad is probably one of the best that we have had in the modern era and there is better competition for places and when injuries and suspensions kick in  I doubt we will be as hammered as in previous years, but we are still only a finish around 14th at best side and no manager alone will change that.

I'd settle for 14th in May right now. I'd also settle for 17th.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 28, 2014, 05:36:39 PM
To be fair, I don't work with the players seven days a week, and therefore take it on an element of trust that they pick the best players available for any given situation (after all, their living depends upon it).

When was the last time that we had two strikers available who offered something different. One of the things that I have been consistantly discussing is our lack of fire power up front. We don't have options available to us. Berahino and Ideye appear to be from the same mould, Anichebe is rarely fit and can never be classed as a consistant goalscorer, Samaras has featured when available but doesn't look like the answer.... and then where do you go?

Our squad is probably one of the best that we have had in the modern era and there is better competition for places and when injuries and suspensions kick in  I doubt we will be as hammered as in previous years, but we are still only a finish around 14th at best side and no manager alone will change that.
Wildly optimistic. 20th is more likely than 14th
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 05:38:18 PM
Because the squad isn't up to it?

Make wholesale changes to weaken the side further?
No mate, you're wrong. Our squad is capable of a comfortable mid-table to top-half finish. Gamboa > Wisdom, Varela > Brunt, Mulumbu and Yacob > Morrison and Gardner, Blanco > Dorrans. Over the course of a season these changes would take us from being in a relegation scrap to having a comfortable, enjoyable season at mid-table or the top half, playing exciting football and getting the odd result against a top team. Irvine and our coaching team just aren't picking them.

That's before you take into account the fact the players that are playing are doing so at their comfort-level, well within-themselves thanks to this ultra-comfortable coaching set-up. Can you imagine Irvine ever getting these players up for a game, or turning one round at half time?

Irvine, Downing, Kiely, Kelly and Burton (for supposedly recommending Irvine) must be sacked now, with a strong, bold manager with pedigree coming in with his own team. Options in this country are scarce, so an English speaking manager from abroad for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 05:38:45 PM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.
But he doesnt have a say in WHO we buy!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 28, 2014, 05:40:06 PM


You have to get rid of Irvine now. The supporters will simply not accept Irvine getting money to spend

Agree 100%. I can't recall this amount of animosity towards any Head Coach in my lifetime (Perhaps with the exception of Bobby Gould!).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:42:16 PM
No mate, you're wrong. Our squad is capable of a comfortable mid-table to top-half finish. Gamboa > Wisdom, Varela > Brunt, Mulumbu and Yacob > Morrison and Gardner, Blanco > Dorrans. Over the course of a season these changes would take us from being in a relegation scrap to having a comfortable, enjoyable season at mid-table or the top half, playing exciting football and getting the odd result against a top team. Irvine and our coaching team just aren't picking them.
Your opinion which is based on nothing. (Oh sorry, I forget you watch a lot of Ukranian football on streams  ::))
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 28, 2014, 05:45:07 PM
If anyone thinks AI (or the new man in charge) will be given money in January, you're clearly new to the club. We do not buy in January, we only sell. This is especially so after spending over £10m in the summer. JP will say we have the necessary players to stay in the league, even if we sell Saido.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
To be fair, I don't work with the players seven days a week, and therefore take it on an element of trust that they pick the best players available for any given situation (after all, their living depends upon it).

When was the last time that we had two strikers available who offered something different. One of the things that I have been consistantly discussing is our lack of fire power up front. We don't have options available to us. Berahino and Ideye appear to be from the same mould, Anichebe is rarely fit and can never be classed as a consistant goalscorer, Samaras has featured when available but doesn't look like the answer.... and then where do you go?

Our squad is probably one of the best that we have had in the modern era and there is better competition for places and when injuries and suspensions kick in  I doubt we will be as hammered as in previous years, but we are still only a finish around 14th at best side and no manager alone will change that.
I agree 14th is about what we can achieve at best with this squad but he never wants to use the other players who are competing for a starting spot, for instance wisdom who gets a game no matter how poor he plays, he was guilty of poor positioning on both goals today and offers very little going forward. this isn't a witchunt on wisdom just using it as an example of irvines reluctance to try something different. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 05:48:52 PM
wasn't he backed in the summer, or are we saying none of the players bought in was anything to do with Irvine.

We lost a lot of players in the Summer so we were basically in a rush to get players in and some we signed are not good enough for Premier League football it seems. I doubt Irvine would have had a lot to do with some of the foreign signings we made like Blanco.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
If anyone thinks AI (or the new man in charge) will be given money in January, you're clearly new to the club. We do not buy in January, we only sell. This is especially so after spending over £10m in the summer. JP will say we have the necessary players to stay in the league, even if we sell Saido.

Historically yes, but JP had a major "wealth scare" last season and he clearly doesn't want the same again.  If/when we sell Saido, I'm sure all the money will be available to spend.

However I would also look to sell 4 or 5 others who need to be replaced.  Olssen, Brunt, Morrison and Dorrens would fetch around £10m to £12m between them, and big Vic and Samares need to go as well.  Can we replace them?  Not easily in January but I don't think we have much choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Your opinion which is based on nothing. (Oh sorry, I forget you watch a lot of Ukranian football on streams  ::))

And your opinion is based on ................................?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
We lost a lot of players in the Summer so we were basically in a rush to get players in and some we signed are not good enough for Premier League football it seems. I doubt Irvine would have had a lot to do with some of the foreign signings we made like Blanco.
You said in another thread

"let Irvine have the transfer window"

now your saying he doesnt have a lot to do with transfers!

Which is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
Fingers tapping table waiting for the site to crash like when it did after RDM got sacked
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
Whatever happens, if we go down then let's at least give it a go and go down fighting

At present it looks like a meek surrender - there seems to be an air of inevitability about the outcome.

Whoever we bring in needs to be a motivator to get an extra 20% out of this group of players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 28, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Overseas, I know what you're saying. We do need to get rid of a lot of players, but I can't see it happening. It would be great to offload Olsson, Brunt, Morrison, Samaras, Vic etc but I doubt any of them will be off, let alone all of them.

We had a mass clear out in the summer, where 11 players came in. It won't happen again in January.

The recruiting system baffles me. Gardner hasn't turned out to be too bad, and it's good to see Saido breaking into the first team, but apart from that the rest are just about ready for retirement and the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 28, 2014, 05:58:06 PM
He isn't going nowhere yet....expect him to be in charge for the Hammers game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 05:59:18 PM
Your opinion which is based on nothing. (Oh sorry, I forget you watch a lot of Ukranian football on streams  ::))
Alright mate. To be frank I've got better things to do now and there's no point debating with you because you're set in your views and you'll never change them. Irvine will be gone soon with any luck anyway at which point it will be irrelevant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 28, 2014, 05:59:41 PM
Agree 100%. I can't recall this amount of animosity towards any Head Coach in my lifetime (Perhaps with the exception of Bobby Gould!).
Not animosity my view.As I think he is a good coach.But JP's gambling is going wrong yet again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 06:00:06 PM
He isn't going nowhere yet....expect him to be in charge for the Hammers game.



Another game wasted then Mr ITK
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 06:02:34 PM
And your opinion is based on ................................?

The fact that they can not get into a West Brom side at the minute and their pedigree based on the stats provided (plus the short glimpses I have seen when they have played)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: divinewind on December 28, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
We need a complete overhaul of Coach and assistants.

Not sure about our set up anymore, it could work if we have top people identifying talent,and top coaches to work with them.
But we haven't got any of that.

As for Irvine...times up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 06:05:51 PM
The fact that they can not get into a West Brom side at the minute and their pedigree based on the stats provided (plus the short glimpses I have seen when they have played)

that's because Irvine has the same opinion as you, doesn't mean it is correct.

That is not meant as a knock at you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 06:06:41 PM
You said in another thread

"let Irvine have the transfer window"

now your saying he doesnt have a lot to do with transfers!

Which is it?

Well he'll be able to identify what we'll need now he's worked with the squad for a few months.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 28, 2014, 06:07:38 PM
has he gone yet?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 06:09:11 PM
Is it 1st April or are people still genuinely wanting Irvine to stay?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Wollaston01 on December 28, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Irvine is just a symptom of the disease that is the way the club is run with profit being the first last and only target.
Unless we get some real ambition at the club we are going to continually go through this cycle of bad manager, lousy cheap squad, relegation battle.
Look at Stoke they have invested, built a decent squad, now got a decent manager and look like a safe mid table club.
We have an aging squad that needs major investment to rebuild and Albion won't do this so relegation will allow a clear out under the guise of "rebuilding" while the parachute payments can be retained.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
Alright mate. To be frank I've got better things to do now and there's no point debating with you because you're set in your views and you'll never change them. Irvine will be gone soon with any luck anyway at which point it will be irrelevant.

EDIT:Think I'll take a break from this site until Irvine's sacked.

Your view is the manager is the problem and are happy to be disrespectful to the bloke. My view is the problem is deeper than that and the manager is somewhat irrelevant. The Premier League is ####
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 06:11:33 PM
Well he'll be able to identify what we'll need now he's worked with the squad for a few months.
Mate everyone that watched the Albion over the past 2 months can tell you what we need! Like us Irvine wont get a say in who we get!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 28, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Genuinely felt sorry for Irvine stood out there on his own! He should never have been offered the job! TB & JP what were you thinking! Only brought Kelly with him so Downing & Kiely (the common denominators in our demise) have to go as well.
We need a complete overhaul in the managerial positions!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
that's because Irvine has the same opinion as you, doesn't mean it is correct.

That is not meant as a knock at you.

They probably aren't that good in fairness, its unlikely we have brilliant players not making our squad when the alternative is blanco isn't very good.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 28, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
Well he'll be able to identify what we'll need now he's worked with the squad for a few months.
But he is supposed to be a head coach and his job is to get the best out of the players provided to him. The director of football and the scouting team are tasked with bringing the players in.
So if the players aren't good enough and the "super" coach cant improve them then the whole set up is failing and wholesale changes need to be made ......if the Chairman has the boll@$s to do it!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
Your view is the manager is the problem and are happy to be disrespectful to the bloke. My view is the problem is deeper than that and the manager is somewhat irrelevant. The Premier League is ####

I agree the problem is deeper, however as soon as we appointed Irvine in my opinion we were up against it big style.

Whilst I hope Irvine is sacked as soon as possible, Downing and Kiely must go immediately.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
that's because Irvine has the same opinion as you, doesn't mean it is correct.

That is not meant as a knock at you.

I'd like to be proven wrong (which is another difference between me and some of our support) but that doesn't mean I will be.

So far, Irvine has played and integrated pretty much all of the players that were brought in over the summer at some point. Of those that continue to not get picked regularly, what have they done to warrant a first team start?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
They probably aren't that good in fairness, its unlikely we have brilliant players not making our squad when the alternative is blanco isn't very good.

I disagree, even if you have your best 11 players on the pitch, if they continue to under perform you must make a change.

As I said before, In my opinion Foster when on form is better than Myhill, however he should have been dropped today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
The fact that they can not get into a West Brom side at the minute and their pedigree based on the stats provided (plus the short glimpses I have seen when they have played)

I am afraid your opinion is as worthless as the the man you continue to 'worship' based on the fact that he has a 23% winning stat record and dropping like a stone. That is fact not a myth!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 06:27:40 PM
I agree the problem is deeper, however as soon as we appointed Irvine in my opinion we were up against it big style.

Whilst I hope Irvine is sacked as soon as possible, Downing and Kiely must go immediately.

We were up against it because an element of our support would never accept Irvine and they would rather have a man in charge who, arguably, was in even less of a position to influence the club. What is ironic is that they bemoan the treatment of Pepe Mel but have been even more disrespectful to Irvine (and Kiely/Downing). 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
I'd like to be proven wrong (which is another difference between me and some of our support) but that doesn't mean I will be.

So far, Irvine has played and integrated pretty much all of the players that were brought in over the summer at some point. Of those that continue to not get picked regularly, what have they done to warrant a first team start?

I'd also like to be proven wrong, whilst I said from day one that Irvine was a mistake I would be very happy to be sitting in 10th position looking comfortable.

I get no pleasure watching my beloved team struggle every week.

You ask what have they done to warrant a first team place, the same could be said of the players who are picked week in week out despite poor performances.

I would rather get beat with the Likes of Kemar Roofe being given a chance, even only for a couple of games as a kick up the backside for regular under performers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 06:28:57 PM
Your view is the manager is the problem and are happy to be disrespectful to the bloke. My view is the problem is deeper than that and the manager is somewhat irrelevant. The Premier League is ####
I was about to take a break but would like to clarify something: I like Irvine as a person. Genuinely. He seems like a decent bloke. I was at the game today, and thankfully most of the abuse he got wasn't personal, just generic booing at the end, but I felt very, very sorry for him. I also reckon he's a decent coach, and would welcome him remaining at the club as a coach under a proper head coach with "managerial" qualities, e.g. good judgement of players' ability, tactical knowledge, motivating, etc. If you go through my posts you'll see that I've said this before, and I doubt you'll find anything offensive directed at him.

Also, like you, I don't believe the blame lies solely at his shoes by any means. The comfortable atmosphere that exists within the coaching team as a whole is a huge problem, and it's imperative that Downing and Kiely go when the new man comes in. If Irvine is sacked and replaced by another agreeable character with Downing and Kiely staying on, it will achieve absolutely nothing. The problem is indeed much deeper than Irvine alone, and if it goes un-addressed, nothing will change.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 28, 2014, 06:31:34 PM
Tried to be reasonable but after today it's time for him and Downing to go now........huffed and puffed again today but never ever looked likely to win game......Coaching staff out!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
I am afraid your opinion is as worthless as the the man you continue to 'worship' based on the fact that he has a 23% winning stat record and dropping like a stone. That is fact not a myth!!

I agree my opinion is worthless, as is yours, at the moment the only ones that count are the boards and, whilst you may not like it, Alan Irvine's. I don't "worship" anyone at the Albion anymore. The last person that I probably did was Bob Taylor  :P.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 28, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
19 games to go. And the last 5 aren't easy.
If we don't get rid now there's no point.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 06:36:04 PM
We were up against it because an element of our support would never accept Irvine and they would rather have a man in charge who, arguably, was in even less of a position to influence the club. What is ironic is that they bemoan the treatment of Pepe Mel but have been even more disrespectful to Irvine (and Kiely/Downing).

Surely the club knew what the response to appointing Irvine was likely to be.

I am fairly certain that I said back in July that it was a Villa - McCleash type scenario.
He was always on a hiding to nothing. That said he has not helped himself.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 06:37:30 PM
I agree my opinion is worthless, as is yours, at the moment the only ones that count are the boards and, whilst you may not like it, Alan Irvine's. I don't "worship" anyone at the Albion anymore. The last person that I probably did was Bob Taylor  :P.

Ok - I will give you that, however, he is not fit to lick the boots of my Idol Bobby Hope  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on December 28, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
I have said on here we have to many players who have been here 2 long . Brunt morrison dorrans . 3 key midfield players who are pedestrian at this level . To add to today's performance you can add Baird . This squad apart from lescott pognoli and foster is very much a championship squad and that's were we are heading . So ok sack him but what difference is a new manager going to make
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 28, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Jeremy Peace looks set to make a decision on the manager’s position ahead of Thursday’s trip to West Ham.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-chief-alan-8353436?ICID=FB-Birm-wba (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-chief-alan-8353436?ICID=FB-Birm-wba)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 28, 2014, 06:50:11 PM
Well.... I'm so glad I recovered from the flu to take in that spectacle. Did Irvine really think that reverting to that paceless, dull, emotiveless midfield would save his job. Good riddance dullard you have sh@t your last chance.
Bring on the next rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 28, 2014, 06:51:44 PM
Some shocking subs made today.

The Stoke fans were loving it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 28, 2014, 06:53:41 PM
I have said on here we have to many players who have been here 2 long . Brunt morrison dorrans . 3 key midfield players who are pedestrian at this level . To add to today's performance you can add Baird . This squad apart from lescott pognoli and foster is very much a championship squad and that's were we are heading . So ok sack him but what difference is a new manager going to make

Morrison and brunt were 2 of the best players today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 28, 2014, 06:56:54 PM
I neglected to join in with any of the anti-Irvine chants today because it is not his fault. Granted he is hugely out of his depth like a baby zebra trying to cross a raging river, but my anger lies with the halfwits who made this truly awful appointment. That said, taking off our best player was a pretty stupid decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 07:06:20 PM
How long after the Cardiff match was Clarke sacked? I'm constantly refreshing various sites for news.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
How long after the Cardiff match was Clarke sacked? I'm constantly refreshing various sites for news.

Me to :-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Clarke was that Saturday evening, Di Matteo was the sunday morning after.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Its alright him saying the players like the backroom staff & coaching team etc but if they are incompetent and not getting the best out of them, I dont care whether your sleeping with them they must go ffs!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 28, 2014, 07:12:15 PM
How long after the Cardiff match was Clarke sacked? I'm constantly refreshing various sites for news.
4 hours
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/clarke-relieved-of-duties-1236295.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/clarke-relieved-of-duties-1236295.aspx)
21:26 14th December 2013
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion07 on December 28, 2014, 07:12:20 PM
It's almost irrelevant who comes after Irvine with the system and structure we currently have. The fact is our players aren't good enough, we have regressed and stood still while other teams have improved. Peace has placed faith in a clearly flawed recruitment process and has zero ambition despite the lip service he came out with over summer.What a thoroughly depressing time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
I neglected to join in with any of the anti-Irvine chants today because it is not his fault. Granted he is hugely out of his depth baby zebra trying to cross a raging river, but my anger lies with the halfwits who made this truly awful appointment. That said, taking off our best player was a pretty stupid decision.

I agree - lets treat him with respect, he appears to have conducted himself  with the utmost integrity ( remember he did not apply for the job, he was head hunted - who would refuse! ) so lets be as respectful to him as he was to us. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on December 28, 2014, 07:21:01 PM
Pulis or Sherwood as MANAGER with their own staff .
But it will still be a head coach position appointing Aidy boothroyd with Beavis and Butt-head still as the backroom staff.

Please Please Mr Peace give us supporters someone (with his backroom team) we can
get behind. We have the second loudest fans in the premier league give us something to sing about or we will go down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 07:24:10 PM
Pulis or Sherwood as MANAGER with their own staff .
But it will still be a head coach position appointing Aidy boothroyd with Beavis and Butt-head still as the backroom staff.

Please Please Mr Peace give us supporters someone (with his backroom team) we can
get behind. We have the second loudest fans in the premier league give us something to sing about or we will go down.

Aidy Boothroyd is currently manager of Meadow Park FC in Bromsgrove, can't see him leaving there for the Albion job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2014, 07:25:40 PM
I have said on here we have to many players who have been here 2 long . Brunt morrison dorrans . 3 key midfield players who are pedestrian at this level . To add to today's performance you can add Baird . This squad apart from lescott pognoli and foster is very much a championship squad and that's were we are heading . So ok sack him but what difference is a new manager going to make

A new manager can make all the difference. Crystal Palace have looked very much like a side going down either side of the Pulls reign. It shows that a decent manager can make a big difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 28, 2014, 07:27:31 PM
IS HE STILL HERE?????  >:(

(sorry about the caps lock)  :-*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 28, 2014, 07:27:35 PM
I can see him being given to the West Ham game sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on December 28, 2014, 07:29:15 PM
A new manager can make all the difference. Crystal Palace have looked very much like a side going down either side of the Pulls reign. It shows that a decent manager can make a big difference.
Totally agree. Look at he Blues as well. It would help if Beavis and butt head were sacked along with Irvine though and the new man had his own staff. Oh and what about Burton going as well? £10 million for Ideye Brown need I say more
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 28, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
Morrison and brunt were 2 of the best players today.
Sorry but no they were not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 28, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
Morrison and brunt were 2 of the best players today.


They might of played well but let me ask you this, Are they the same players as 3 years ago ? would you be happy for brunt, mozza dozza and bozza to carry on leading our midfield for the rest of the season ? by bozza i meant baird btw, I think alot of our fans can see these idiots aint pulling there weight there not ready for the battle and thoroughly happy collecting there pay packets after every week without breaking sweat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
I just don't see the point prolonging anymore agony
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 07:48:35 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 07:49:22 PM
Christ almighty , I give up. The support for him is getting laughable
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 28, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
I'd keep him for sure, I don't want Dingle Keith in charge until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GREGMT on December 28, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
Time for the fans to be assertive.  Chants of Downing and Kelly need to ring around the Hawthorns.  There's a need to steamroller the BBC and let them know we deserve better than the garbage served up.  BBC now nothing beyond Liverpool FC.   WBA fans have been way too passive up to know.  Irvine get your eyebrows plucked and hair dyed you've got enough money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

In my opinion the longer we leave it the more likely we will be relegated come May.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

He won't turn it around.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 07:55:17 PM
No point at all sacking AI if the coaching staff remain.
I don't see any advantage in keeping coaches who have never worked with a new man and will only infuence him to play the same players anyway.
What man in his right mind would come and work at a club without men he can trust and have faith in the way he wants to play, which in my mind is the reason we have played the same way for a while now.
And the differrence a coach and his own men can make can be seen at the blues at the moment.
How i long to go to the match and cheer my head off watching more than one player run into the box.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

Surely by keeping him in charge we are burying our head in the sand?

I agree that there is little point sacking Irvine if Downing and Kiely remain.

I was listening to five live earlier and Ian Wright was being asked about managers and he said he needed a manager who scared him to make him play at his best. He needed someone to respect and someone to guide him not someone to be mates with.

I think we need that type of manager more than ever. We've had too many pally, one of the lad head coaches and it's time we got someone in that the players perhaps didn't get on well with outside the training pitch.

For that reason alone I think pulls is the man for the job at this stage, but that would take a big leap of faith from JP which I don't think he's capable of.

And we haven't even got to the issue of Pulis being interested or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 07:59:13 PM
I'd keep him for sure, I don't want Dingle Keith in charge until the end of the season.
...that's not the choice though is it? They both need to go, with a new man in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lonions on December 28, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
I still believe he might be able to do it. The teams plays good football they just have no belief in themselves. Maybe that's one reason why he should be going!

Although they do need to make a decision now or leave it till the end of the season,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
Time for the fans to be assertive.  Chants of Downing and Kelly need to ring around the Hawthorns.  There's a need to steamroller the BBC and let them know we deserve better than the garbage served up.  BBC now nothing beyond Liverpool FC.   WBA fans have been way too passive up to know.  Irvine get your eyebrows plucked and hair dyed you've got enough money.
Unfortunately, I agree that's what it has come to if he isn't sacked tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

Given the fact that AI hasn't been accepted and given a fair chance from the off by some sections of our supporters, I think it is too late for him. He will never be accepted even if he were to retain our status in the Premier League. I believe it is time for him to be stood down. Although, I admire your continued support for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 28, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
Whoever agreed to sign anichibe,  baird, Davidson,  lugano deserves to go. U could add ideye Blanco arguably but they deserve a chance.

A club of our size lives or dies by its signings. We are currently being killed because of it. Signings also includes new contracts - dozza,  mozza etc...

Irvine has been given a poor squad to manage.

This goes back to the signing of lukaku.  This pushed Pete out and he was our best striker in the prem. We have never replaced his skill, talent or pace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 28, 2014, 08:03:34 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.
Sorry but they are not working their socks off, they can't pass, have no pace and create nothing. They look lost and desperate for leadership. The sycophants who play every week, sing his praises because they know they will be vulnerable when he goes.
That said, no point getting rid unless the consistently incompetent coaches go too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 08:05:48 PM
Honestly expected him to be gone tonight, absolute disgraceful performance against a poor Stoke side. Irvine picked the team so he should held accountable for the most powder puff central midfield we could have fielded. If his tactics were the hit and hope we got then he should be accountable for that. The coaching staff already in place when he arrived have not improved this team since they have been here and should be getting the golden handshake with him tomorrow.

Those of you who still back him I admire your spirit. I have no idea what you honestly see as I see a bloke way out of his depth and players who reportedly praise him in the press hardly busting a gut to keep him here and a coaching staff who are beyond their sell by date.

Its okay saying give him a couple more games. How many more gutless performances are you prepared to watch ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 28, 2014, 08:10:54 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.
Easy
We didn't win because we couldn't score yet again and let in two goals yeah again!
Just cannot see it coming right under the current coaching regime....We need a strong MANAGER to give us a chance of surviving in the rapidly diminishing list of fixtures......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:11:24 PM
Honestly expected him to be gone tonight, absolute disgraceful performance against a poor Stoke side. Irvine picked the team so he should held accountable for the most powder puff central midfield we could have fielded. If his tactics were the hit and hope we got then he should be accountable for that. The coaching staff already in place when he arrived have not improved this team since they have been here and should be getting the golden handshake with him tomorrow.

Those of you who still back him I admire your spirit. I have no idea what you honestly see as I see a bloke way out of his depth and players who reportedly praise him in the press hardly busting a gut to keep him here and a coaching staff who are beyond their sell by date.

Its okay saying give him a couple more games. How many more gutless performances are you prepared to watch ?
And with every game that goes by, more potential points are wasted, and relegation becomes ever more likely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Just a reminder have you seen the fixtures for April onwards. We need points on the board. We are not going to get them with this current coaching team. These players need a kick and immediate motivation
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on December 28, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

I admire you're optomism but as for  'the players are still working their socks off for him', the table says otherwise. You only have to look at Leicester and especially Burnley today to see the players who are working their socks off for their coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 28, 2014, 08:17:55 PM
Give him a couple of games to turn it around, the players are still working their socks off for him. Still don't know how we didn't win today's game, just like the QPR game which we should have won too.

I must have watched a different game.
We didn't win for the same reason we have not won many other games this season we
Created f all! And some of the players were trying but I would argue a lot others
Had given up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 28, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
Charlton away next year folks   :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 28, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
I must have watched a different game.
We didn't win for the same reason we have not won many other games this season we
Created f all! And some of the players were trying but I would argue a lot others
Had given up
And we conceded two yet again !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 08:23:42 PM
I think the players are actually trying and giving their all but the lack of direction and leadership on and off the field is so obvious its frustrating.
We need leadership and direction from someone fresh with their own staff.
At the very least someone to come in until the end of te season when it van all be revised.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:25:11 PM
Don't know who Jonathan Hope is but...

Jonathan Hope ‏@Jonhopeofficial  7m7 minutes ago
I'm hearing Alan Irvine has been relieved of his duties as manager of West Brom. Will update accordingly. This is what I been told #wba RT
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 28, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
Charlton away next year folks   :(

Fantastic away day dont see the problem myself add to that the BCD and games against blues its what its all about unless you have people at your club who want to deserve there position in the top league and earn that tag.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 08:27:19 PM
Don't know who Jonathan Hope is but...

Jonathan Hope ‏@Jonhopeofficial  7m7 minutes ago
I'm hearing Alan Irvine has been relieved of his duties as manager of West Brom. Will update accordingly. This is what I been told #wba RT

Someone wanting a few cheap retweets?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 08:27:50 PM
Don't know who Jonathan Hope is but...

Jonathan Hope ‏@Jonhopeofficial  7m7 minutes ago
I'm hearing Alan Irvine has been relieved of his duties as manager of West Brom. Will update accordingly. This is what I been told #wba RT

Hopefully true
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 08:30:05 PM
One of those dodgy transfer pages that tweet the obvious I think.

We all know he is more than likely going to be relieved of his duties. It's just a case of when I suspect.

I hope at least  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on December 28, 2014, 08:31:01 PM
He writes for the telegraph i think theres something in it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 08:35:04 PM
Jonathan Hope is an unlicensed Football Agent, normally his tweats have foundation.

He also tweeted a few days ago that he is a close friend of Tony Pulis and that Pulis wants to get back in the the PL and would have an interest in the Albion job if it were vacant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 08:39:30 PM
Jonathan Hope just tweeted that Pulis would declare a public interest in the Albion job if it were vacant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
Jonathon Hope pretends to be a football agent but isn't, and was recently jailed for six months for possessing child pornography (not an allegation, a fact, so no need to remove mods).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on December 28, 2014, 08:46:18 PM
Jonathon Hope pretends to be a football agent but isn't, and was recently jailed for six months for possessing child pornography (not an allegation, a fact, so no need to remove mods).
if he was recently jailed how is he tweeting?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 28, 2014, 08:46:45 PM
Fantastic away day dont see the problem myself add to that the BCD and games against blues its what its all about unless you have people at your club who want to deserve there position in the top league and earn that tag.
Agreed  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 08:46:55 PM
Jonathon Hope pretends to be a football agent but isn't, and was recently jailed for six months for possessing child pornography (not an allegation, a fact, so no need to remove mods).

I've just read this but wasn't sure if this was the same bloke in all honesty.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
if he was recently jailed how is he tweeting?
Because it wasn't in the last six months. "Recently" meant within the last few years.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 08:52:18 PM
I've just read this but wasn't sure if this was the same bloke in all honesty.
Has the same picture on his twitter as on the news article about his crime
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 28, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
Is anyone else sick of his awful press interviews?

How can he stand there and say 'We're all in this together' when he has constantly shunned the likes of Yacob, Mulumbu, Olsson, Blanco et al this season? (whilst also keeping Gamboa, Varela and now Berahino out for the short-term). This isn't 'all in it together', it is playing his favourites, who shouldn't be near the first eleven and keeping them happy, such as Morrison, Dorrans, Brunt, Baird and Wisdom.

My point is, you are clearly not in unison when you drop regulars, that is 'not in it together'. More bizarrely a few months back he said Olsson could play until his 40's, how Oxford United were 'a very good team' and that losing comprehensively at home is a 'good performance'.

I've always said how I'd back him but I'm sick of him and hope he is sacked immediately, it's insulting to the fans when he comes out with stuff like that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 09:04:27 PM
Jonathan Hope @Jonhopeofficial  ·  19m 19 minutes ago

Richard Garlick is still in meeting. Tony Pulis will only declare public interest WHEN the job is vacant. Not before. Update soon #wba RT


Going to be lots of these so who knows who is itk or who is talking pooh !! Same as the transfer window
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 09:05:43 PM
Jonathan Hope @Jonhopeofficial  ·  19m 19 minutes ago

Richard Garlick is still in meeting. Tony Pulis will only declare public interest WHEN the job is vacant. Not before. Update soon #wba RT


Going to be lots of these so who knows who is itk or who is talking pooh !! Same as the transfer window
See above.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnnyg on December 28, 2014, 09:06:23 PM
Are any Albion fans open to the possibility of Downing, Kiely and Kelly being relieved of their duties, AI being moved to first-team coach, and the club bring in a manager of some status...
I see 3 major advantages to this :-

1. a clear out of the deadwood, who have been around for way too long, and are an integral part of the problems besetting the club
2. Try to use AI's strengths. We have heard ad-nauseum from a number of sources what a good coach he is, so lets relieve him of all the other baggage, and allow him to do what he is best at, and try to reap the benefit of it
3. bring in a manager. A proper manager - someone who can do all the things that AI is patently very poor at....organise, man-manage, game-plans etc..

I think this would work myself..  Any takers ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 09:07:28 PM
Are any Albion fans open to the possibility if Downing, Kiely and Kelly being relieved of their duties, AI being moved to first-team coach, and the club bring in a manager of some status...
I see 3 major advantages to this :-

1. a clear out of the deadwood, who have been around for way too long, and are an integral part of the problems besetting the club
2. Try to use AI's strengths. We have heard ad-nauseum from a number of sources what a good coach he is, so lets relieve him of all the other baggage, and allow him to do what he is best at, and try to reap the benefit of it
3. bring in a manager. A proper manager - someone who can do all the things that AI is patently very poor at....organise, man-manage, game-plans etc..

I think this would work myself..  Any takers ?
I'd be very happy with that. Unfortunately I doubt that Peace would listen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 09:08:07 PM
Absolutely not. He and the rest have to go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 28, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Are any Albion fans open to the possibility if Downing, Kiely and Kelly being relieved of their duties, AI being moved to first-team coach, and the club bring in a manager of some status...
I see 3 major advantages to this :-

1. a clear out of the deadwood, who have been around for way too long, and are an integral part of the problems besetting the club
2. Try to use AI's strengths. We have heard ad-nauseum from a number of sources what a good coach he is, so lets relieve him of all the other baggage, and allow him to do what he is best at, and try to reap the benefit of it
3. bring in a manager. A proper manager - someone who can do all the things that AI is patently very poor at....organise, man-manage, game-plans etc..

I think this would work myself..  Any takers ?
Yes indeed.If an acceptable deal could be worked out by all?
Daft thing is he is a good coach but in the wrong job! Team him up with a manager who is a cerebral tactician assuming they can work together and it would be fine.It is only Peace, and his daft gambling on his rickety coaching set up which no one else really follows holding us back! Now look Irvine had 2 chances as manager and failed.Megson took us on and we were bloody awful look what he left? That my fellow Baggies is what we need a guy who can come in and sort the fuggers out! As we have a good squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 28, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Genuinely felt sorry for Irvine stood out there on his own! He should never have been offered the job! TB & JP what were you thinking! Only brought Kelly with him so Downing & Kiely (the common denominators in our demise) have to go as well.
We need a complete overhaul in the managerial positions!

Why should you feel sorry for him he accepted the job and the challenge and salary that goes with it and he has failed dismally. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 28, 2014, 09:15:33 PM
Are any Albion fans open to the possibility of Downing, Kiely and Kelly being relieved of their duties, AI being moved to first-team coach, and the club bring in a manager of some status...
I see 3 major advantages to this :-

1. a clear out of the deadwood, who have been around for way too long, and are an integral part of the problems besetting the club
2. Try to use AI's strengths. We have heard ad-nauseum from a number of sources what a good coach he is, so lets relieve him of all the other baggage, and allow him to do what he is best at, and try to reap the benefit of it
3. bring in a manager. A proper manager - someone who can do all the things that AI is patently very poor at....organise, man-manage, game-plans etc..

I think this would work myself..  Any takers ?

A few weeks ago maybe, but I think things have gone too far especially with the alleged verbals dished out at the end of todays game!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: divinewind on December 28, 2014, 09:19:13 PM
Are any Albion fans open to the possibility of Downing, Kiely and Kelly being relieved of their duties, AI being moved to first-team coach, and the club bring in a manager of some status...
I see 3 major advantages to this :-

1. a clear out of the deadwood, who have been around for way too long, and are an integral part of the problems besetting the club
2. Try to use AI's strengths. We have heard ad-nauseum from a number of sources what a good coach he is, so lets relieve him of all the other baggage, and allow him to do what he is best at, and try to reap the benefit of it
3. bring in a manager. A proper manager - someone who can do all the things that AI is patently very poor at....organise, man-manage, game-plans etc..

I think this would work myself..  Any takers ?

Yes i agree, Irvine is a coach not a premier league tactician, but i doubt he would take a step down, and it is a question if any manager/coach would want to work with him. The backroom have to go if we want to attract someone of Pulis' character.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 28, 2014, 09:19:39 PM
I'm still struggling to buy this "he's a good coach" thing. No-one has yet been able to explain where the evidence is to back this up. What are individual players doing better than they were before Irvine was here? Are our set pieces better (both attacking and defending)? Just what is it that makes him a good coach?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 28, 2014, 09:21:12 PM
I'm still struggling to buy this "he's a good coach" thing. No-one has yet been able to explain where the evidence is to back this up. What are individual players doing better than they were before Irvine was here? Are our set pieces better (both attacking and defending)? Just what is it that makes him a good coach?
Use Google mate! It's all there!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 09:21:47 PM
I'm still struggling to buy this "he's a good coach" thing. No-one has yet been able to explain where the evidence is to back this up. What are individual players doing better than they were before Irvine was here? Are our set pieces better (both attacking and defending)? Just what is it that makes him a good coach?


I could not agree more. What and where is the evidence , certainly not on our field of play. Get rid. It's too much water now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 09:22:59 PM
Unlikely to be sacked tonight then, if he's not gone by lunchtime tomorrow then in all probability he will be in charge for West Ham.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 09:26:14 PM
I'm still struggling to buy this "he's a good coach" thing. No-one has yet been able to explain where the evidence is to back this up. What are individual players doing better than they were before Irvine was here? Are our set pieces better (both attacking and defending)? Just what is it that makes him a good coach?
mostly bull from players who are safe whilst irvines here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 28, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
You can be a world class coach without being a good manager.

Football is littered with them Don Howe and Brian Kidd are two who spring to mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 28, 2014, 09:41:05 PM
Use Google mate! It's all there!

I asked you a few weeks ago to post a link to prove 'it's all there'
You couldn't
I googled it and could not find anything to prove he is a good coach
Please post 2 links that prove he is a good coach
Otherwise stop making things up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
You can be a world class coach without being a good manager.

Football is littered with them Don Howe and Brian Kidd are two who spring to mind.
Too True!

Fergie left a lot of the training ground stuff to Phelan! (Other way round I know but I agree with your point)!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 28, 2014, 09:48:32 PM
On the one hand, I could see him being a good coach as he's a fairly 'nice' guy and if he was given a set of instructions, he would try to follow them to the book. I.e. "do this, then that for 30 minutes". Obviously, he is far too rigid in his ways for management which requires adjustments.

Anyway, on the other hand I think it may be a load of rubbish. Football is still an old boys club, and even if you're completely thick and stupid, you can walk into some pretty decent jobs. A lot of football pundits seem to say it as they're friends with him and don't want to offend him. He is also bad at handling all different types of players, and outs some, so I can't see him being good with that side of things.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: we8seals on December 28, 2014, 09:53:15 PM
I asked you a few weeks ago to post a link to prove 'it's all there'
You couldn't
I googled it and could not find anything to prove he is a good coach
Please post 2 links that prove he is a good coach
Otherwise stop making things up

forget google. use the evidence of our own eyes. I have seen no sign of any great or inspirational coaching - and no sign that he has improved a single player!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
Pepe mel was far more inspirational
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 28, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
We should never have let Pepe Mel go....he kept us up last season when we where a shambles....his reward....the sack by mutual consent.

Really hope we get on with sacking Irvine; and then bring in McInnes from Aberdeen.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Pepe Mel simply had to go, he lost the dressing room. The players are still fighting for Irvine, that will give us half a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:03:18 PM
Lescott stating that its not Irvine to blame but the players!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9624105/premier-league-players-not-looking-to-blame-manager-alan-irvine-says-west-brom8217s-joleon-lescott

Laughable! irvine picks the fkn lacklustre team ffs!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:04:58 PM
If he does go, it will sem like Christmas.
 :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Pepe Mel simply had to go, he lost the dressing room.

And I wonder why that was?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 28, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
I'm sorry but clearly he is not a good coach, there maybe aspects of the game he is good at I.e getting on with players and footballing staff but he is not a good coach.

The results speak for themselves, his lack of tatical awareness, decision making and his inability to find the right balance between attacking and defensive football is plain to see.

He is out of his depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 10:09:43 PM
Pepe Mel simply had to go, he lost the dressing room. The players are still fighting for Irvine, that will give us half a chance.

The players are fighting for him?! Whatever you've been drinking over Christmas, send it this way please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 10:09:48 PM
Lescott stating that its not Irvine to blame but the players!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9624105/premier-league-players-not-looking-to-blame-manager-alan-irvine-says-west-brom8217s-joleon-lescott

Laughable! irvine picks the fkn lacklustre team ffs!
just wish the players would shut up talking rubbish and do what they are paid to do, all these comments are just futile and mean nothing to supporters when we sliding down the league.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2014, 10:10:57 PM
Lescott stating that its not Irvine to blame but the players!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9624105/premier-league-players-not-looking-to-blame-manager-alan-irvine-says-west-brom8217s-joleon-lescott

Laughable! irvine picks the fkn lacklustre team ffs!


Lescott, Foster and the rest of the players can frankly go and f*** off with this nonsense. Their noses are so far up Irvine's backside it's not coffee they are smelling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 10:14:01 PM
Far to comfortable up there. I hope they have to bust a gut in training when new coach comes in, make the  feckers work hard
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Its bad luck now! Completely fkn stupid inept moron!

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-albion-baggies-stoke-west-brom-2169812.aspx
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 28, 2014, 10:16:04 PM
And I wonder why that was?

I'm not sure, maybe he needed to do a better job man managing the players and gaining their respect. If a Head Coach or Manager loses the respect of the players then he won't last long. Mel leaving was the best thing for both parties.

The players are fighting for him?! Whatever you've been drinking over Christmas, send it this way please.

We've never lost a game this season due to a lack of trying. Lack of quality in the final third maybe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:17:41 PM
I'm not sure, maybe he needed to do a better job man managing the players and gaining their respect. If a Head Coach or Manager loses the respect of the players then he won't last long. Mel leaving was the best thing for both parties.

We've never lost a game this season due to a lack of trying. Lack of quality in the final third maybe.
Lack of quality at the back and in the middle too!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 28, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
He's gone, pulis in within  a week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 28, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
Lack of quality at the back and in the middle too!

And on the bench!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
I hope the club have been actively looking for a new manager for a few weeks ,we certainly don't want the fiasco we endured after Clarke was sacked. to take 4-6 to get a replacement now and we will go down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 10:19:08 PM
He's gone, pulis in within  a week.




No yellow bar yet
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 28, 2014, 10:20:58 PM



No yellow bar yet

Probably announced tomorrow
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Probably announced tomorrow
Are you confirming this then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:23:37 PM
Where has this Pulis rumour come from?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
Its bad luck now! Completely fkn stupid inept moron!

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-albion-baggies-stoke-west-brom-2169812.aspx
was it bad luck that wisdom was 20 yrds from the stoke player to put the ball into the box for stokes 1st, was it bad luck that no player closed down the shot for stokes second. just drivel after every defeat, would respect him more if  he had a blast at the players for not doing the basics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 10:27:46 PM
I want to go to bed. Hurry up and make it official
Lots on here tonight waiting in  anticipation
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 10:28:17 PM
I've heard the complete opposite and that Pulis isn't interested in working under Peace.

it's all rumours at the moment and Irvine may still be in charge for the West Ham game yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 28, 2014, 10:28:48 PM
Probably announced tomorrow

Pretty sure you've been right about tons of things so I'm hoping you are once again right here!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 28, 2014, 10:29:11 PM
Pepe Mel simply had to go, he lost the dressing room. The players are still fighting for Irvine, that will give us half a chance.

Dear oh dear - deluded comes to mind !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
I wouldn't let Wisdom on the pitch.
Send him back to Liverpool. He has no idea of what football requires.
He goes AWOL too many times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
I feel really, really bad for him, but if Irvine is still here for the West Ham game and plays Wisdom ahead of Gamboa and Blanco doesn't get on the pitch at some stage, I'm pretty sure I will explode. I want him to succeed - he seems like a good man - but I have to say he hasn't/isn't helping himself with his team selections at all, and sadly I can't ever see it working out. Unfortunately I think we need to cut our losses as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 10:32:09 PM
I'm not sure, maybe he needed to do a better job man managing the players and gaining their respect. If a Head Coach or Manager loses the respect of the players then he won't last long. Mel leaving was the best thing for both parties.

We've never lost a game this season due to a lack of trying. Lack of quality in the final third maybe.

Maybe those players should have given him a chance but thats bye the bye, they are not doing Irvine any favours either.

We may not have lost a game due to a lack of trying but we are losing games due to tactical ineptness from the Head Coach, poor team selections from the Head Coach and poor performances and individual errors from the same faces week in week out.

Trying is the minimum a Premier League footballer should be doing. Even players not good enough for this level should never be accused of not trying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 28, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
Maybe those players should have given him a chance but thats bye the bye, they are not doing Irvine any favours either.

We may not have lost a game due to a lack of trying but we are losing games due to tactical ineptness from the Head Coach, poor team selections from the Head Coach and poor performances and individual errors from the same faces week in week out.

Trying is the minimum a Premier League footballer should be doing. Even players not good enough for this level should never be accused of not trying.

Exactly!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:36:07 PM

Trying is the minimum a Premier League footballer should be doing. Even players not good enough for this level should never be accused of not trying.
Totally agree! Im sure Leicester, QPR and Burnley players were called not good enough for the Premier league, at least they are trying!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 28, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
Pepe Mel simply had to go, he lost the dressing room. The players are still fighting for Irvine, that will give us half a chance.
Irvine has fewer points from more games than Mel was ever afforded, and that's supposedly with the players behind him, so presumably Irvine "has to go" even more urgently.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 28, 2014, 10:38:58 PM
I honestly can't see him being here for the West Ham game. Sack him now and put the reserve manager in charge or even Big Dave  lol. No way back for Irvine now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 28, 2014, 10:40:27 PM
Irvine has fewer points from more games than Mel was ever afforded, so presumably Irvine "has to go" too.

Stop with the logic, pal!

The Irvine fan club are beyond this.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
I'd promote Big Dave for the next two games (WHU and Gateshead) and give the board chance to do things properly.

Big Dave would certainly get the fan's backing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Let's be honest, he will have until the west ham game now. We don't have a car in hells chance there. Hull at home suddenly becomes massive
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 28, 2014, 10:45:33 PM
I'd promote Big Dave for the next two games (WHU and Gateshead) and give the board chance to do things properly.

Big Dave would certainly get the fan's backing.

As much as we love him, Big Dave has even less experience of management than Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 10:47:06 PM
Irvine now 1/3 with skybet for the sack!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 28, 2014, 10:48:24 PM
Irvine now 1/3 with skybet for the sack!

And...

Tony Pulis 11/10   

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager

A reliable guy on another forum said to take Pulis at 5/2 earlier today.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 10:48:50 PM
As much as we love him, Big Dave has even less experience of management than Irvine.

Most caretaker managers have very little if any experience of being in charge, they are there to keep things ticking over.

For me i'd sack the lost of the coaching staff and put Moore and James Shan in charge until we get sorted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 10:53:25 PM
whos in charge of the u21s, couldn't they step in until a replacement is found.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 10:55:38 PM
As much as we love him, Big Dave has even less experience of management than Irvine.



A  couple of games wouldn't do any harm, it would kind of galvanise the support just like the inspirational Pepe Mel did
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on December 28, 2014, 10:56:22 PM
Judging Peace on recent performance he'll not risk having to make an appointment until it's too late for the new guy to request January signings. Letting AI remain in post until mid-Jan gives an excuse for no transfer window business - not that we are likely to be offered any excuses!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 10:58:20 PM
whos in charge of the u21s, couldn't they step in until a replacement is found.

James Shan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 08:05:31 AM
Ted confirmed has in charge for the West Ham game. I seriously believe we would stand a better chance of a result if he had gone. The players are obviously not playing for him like some say
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 29, 2014, 08:06:30 AM
Ted confirmed has in charge for the West Ham game. I seriously believe we would stand a better chance of a result if he had gone. The players are obviously not playing for him like some say

FFS. What are you doing Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 29, 2014, 08:19:32 AM
Ted confirmed has in charge for the West Ham game. I seriously believe we would stand a better chance of a result if he had gone. The players are obviously not playing for him like some say

No way. Where have you read that?

Another 3 points down the drain.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 08:20:26 AM
Ted confirmed has in charge for the West Ham game. I seriously believe we would stand a better chance of a result if he had gone. The players are obviously not playing for him like some say

Were have you read this mate?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
Ted confirmed has in charge for the West Ham game. I seriously believe we would stand a better chance of a result if he had gone. The players are obviously not playing for him like some say
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 29, 2014, 08:23:45 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9624290
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 08:27:25 AM
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.

Cracking post VVV, like I have said before AI isnt necessarily the whole problem.

The problem is the whole set up, its not working, Kiely and Downing in secure jobs isnt working, the midfield we played in the Championship and are still playing now, isnt working.

The only way this changes if the structure changes, if we get rid of AI and keep Downing and Kiely in a job, then we have the same problem in 6 months time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 29, 2014, 08:32:18 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9624290

Nothing official nor a time of source talking.
might just be a smoke screen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 08:37:04 AM
Either
1) the board are lining up someone else and letting AI continue in the meantime
2) the board acknowledge the sole or main reason for our poor results is the poor squad and therefore want to give AI a chance with better players signed in Jan (very different to Albions usual Jan strategy)
3) the board believe with more time AI can produce results with the squad available (meaning minimal signings in Jan) and that the long game needs to be played.

The jan window opening is relevant here, particularly with speculation Berahino is off for big money which would enable us to trade more than usual.

My opinion is our squad is poor, particularly up front where we look the weakest since Mowbrays time. Also, I cannot see the fans living with options 2 or 3 so the question there is, if AI and the coaching staff continue, can we stay up in spite of an apparent huge divide between fans and club? It would seem very difficult and could be basically writing off our home games ( considering the atmosphere would surely turn increasingly poisonous the longer the coaches remain). Time will tell what the plan is ( presuming there's a plan which based on the past two years you might be within rights to doubt?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 29, 2014, 08:37:42 AM
Given Irvine's slightly resigned tone in interviews this week, I wonder if he suspects things are going on behind the scenes and knows it's now a matter of time. Maybe the club are trying to do things differently and have a replacement ready to unveil fairly quickly.
Henry Winter on Sunday Supplement yesterday said he had talked to Peace somewhere in the past and JP had told him that he was very impressed with Sherwood during the last process. Local media said at the time that all was agreed with Sherwood but it was the financial package for Sherwood's staff that meant it didn't happen last time.
Who knows maybe things are in motion with Sherwood (or someone else). Les Ferdinand currently has a job with QPR so maybe he won't be part of the possible back-up.
Can't help feeling sorry for Irvine personally but it seems it's just going to end one way now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 08:44:17 AM
He made an interesting comment after the game yesterday.

He was asked if he expected to see the chairman this morning and he advised no as he comes into the training ground at different times.

He went on to say that he hadn't seen him for a while.

It's a strange situation, perhaps JP doesn't want the 4-5 weeks without a head coach like last season.

Confliciting reports this morning, some saying he's gone others saying he's staying.

I know which one I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 29, 2014, 08:45:37 AM
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.

Well said, the players are no where near top 10 quality regardless of coach. We have failed to replace our top goal scorers and that is not AI's fault.

I would add that Peace knows the players are not good enough and has set AI up to be the fall guy. Brown does not look anywhere near a 15 goal a season player even in these early days, Behrinio might make that target if he stays.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 08:50:21 AM
I'd rather have AI in charge until a better replacement is found than have Downing or Big Dave in charge until a replacement is found.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 08:52:41 AM
The longer this goes on the less chance we have of staying up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 29, 2014, 08:57:34 AM
Really good to log onto this site this morning and read some balanced and sensible posts. It's been a long time since I have been able to say that.
 VVValbion- totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 29, 2014, 09:03:37 AM
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.

Irvine's main problem is that is is too loyal to players like Morrison, Dorrans, Brunt and Wisdom etc. They are not playing for him and these players will ultimately cost him his job just like they cost the previous head coaches their jobs.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
the players are not playing for this head coach.They are better than what some of you think. A new man in charge will prove that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 29, 2014, 09:11:05 AM
Devon, I'm starting to think that you want Alan Irvine sacked?  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:13:13 AM
Devon, I'm starting to think that you want Alan Irvine sacked?  :o


too true, i am itching to come back to watch some football and get the most out of my season ticket
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 09:14:10 AM
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.
I think the players genuinely did try to play for him yesterday but I agree they just aint good enough, but the changes he made to the starting line up didn't make sense.
he dropped varela to accommodate either brunt or dorrans. why.
neither of these two offer more of an attacking threat than varela.
if it was because they are more defensive than varela then surely you would play mulumbu or yacob for that role ahead of brunt or dorrans.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:15:37 AM
We will be similar to Blues, get the right man in(Gary Rowett) and see an improvement
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on December 29, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
The players are playing for him, they just aren't necessarily up to the task. A change in manager will not necessarily result in a change in fortune.  I see the suggestion that we have a squad capable of finishing in the top 10, we haven't.  How many of our players do you think are capable of getting regular football for a top ten side? How many teams are banging on our door to drag our players away? The funny thing is, the player who gets most derided on here is most likely to be playing at the highest placed Premier League team come next season.
We recruited badly last season, a number of people lost their jobs because of it, players, coaches and backroom staff. This put significant pressure on everyone this season and we are still in recovery.  We still do not appear to have found the men to score the goals and that will make it difficult for Alan Irvine or if he is sacked, his replacement.
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Completely agree with this. I've thought since the summer that the squad wasn't really improved from last season, and this, rather than the coach is the issue for me.  Before people start banging out stats of how many caps certain players have, remember bad players win caps too. Regardless of what we think, we don't see the players everyday, maybe the ones people are crying out for to get picked just aren't showing it in training. I understand some players aren't good trainers, but they usually show something that warrants a start. If 'wonderful, best coach ever Hodgson' was in charge, I bet the players deficiencies would be getting more of a mention.  Our recruitment is the problem for me, which again goes back to Dan Ashworth leaving. Maybe the Head Coach role needs revising? Without someone as good as Ashworth, it seems clear the system falls down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 29, 2014, 09:19:07 AM
My answer would be to back Irvine in the January transfer window to get some quality in and get rid of some deadwood. Will that happen? Probably not.

I think I'd second that. For a bloke who's supposed to be weak, he'll have some b@lls to carry on after yesterdays vitriol though. I think I would want to be taken out of the firing line.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 29, 2014, 09:19:20 AM
cr*p news  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 09:21:51 AM
If the players ARE playing for them, then I dread to think what some of the perfomances would be like if they werent playing for him.

That being said, we didnt play too badly at Stoke, we had alot of the game first half but just couldnt score.

First goal in that goal was always going to be vital, and you probably wont see a more lucky goal than Dioufs 2nd.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 29, 2014, 09:22:44 AM

too true, i am itching to come back to watch some football and get the most out of my season ticket

It's very easy to pin the blame on Irvine but if we are honest it's the whole set up at the club that isn't working. Whilst we are in the premier league and Peace owns our club we will always be trying to punch above our weight. Trying to do more with less.

Roy managed to do this brilliantly but it's gone seriously downhill since then. Maybe we got lucky? Without serious financial backing we are not realistically going to break into the top half of the league again - the amount of money up there is frankly insane.

Personally I am bored s*itless of rolling into another season with the sole aim of staying in the league. A cup run would be welcome but recently that has clearly not been a priority.

I wouldn't mind dropping back into the championship, just so we can rebuild and have a season where we could see our team win a few games and get some positive attitude excitement back into the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 09:28:17 AM
I think the players genuinely did try to play for him yesterday but I agree they just aint good enough, but the changes he made to the starting line up didn't make sense.
he dropped varela to accommodate either brunt or dorrans. why.
neither of these two offer more of an attacking threat than varela.
if it was because they are more defensive than varela then surely you would play mulumbu or yacob for that role ahead of brunt or dorrans.
 
Dorrans should provide more defensive support to his full back (although he didn't in my opinion), Brunt is far more of a "quarterback" influencing our attacks which was clearly noticeable when he came on against Man City. When you play Stoke with tiny forwards you have to have good distribution along the floor. Mulumbu can break up play but equally his passing and ball retention is not the greatest. It is fine margins with our squad, we don't have many players with multiple assets.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on December 29, 2014, 09:29:57 AM
It's very easy to pin the blame on Irvine but if we are honest it's the whole set up at the club that isn't working. Whilst we are in the premier league and Peace owns our club we will always be trying to punch above our weight. Trying to do more with less.

Roy managed to do this brilliantly but it's gone seriously downhill since then. Maybe we got lucky? Without serious financial backing we are not realistically going to break into the top half of the league again - the amount of money up there is frankly insane.

Personally I am bored s*itless of rolling into another season with the sole aim of staying in the league. A cup run would be welcome but recently that has clearly not been a priority.

I wouldn't mind dropping back into the championship, just so we can rebuild and have a season where we could see our team win a few games and get some positive attitude excitement back into the hawthorns.

You sort of contradicted yourself there. It's not all Irvines fault, yet hodgson managed to do it. Kind of proves if you have the right man at the top it can work. Irvine is not the right man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 09:31:24 AM
It's very easy to pin the blame on Irvine but if we are honest it's the whole set up at the club that isn't working. Whilst we are in the premier league and Peace owns our club we will always be trying to punch above our weight. Trying to do more with less.

Roy managed to do this brilliantly but it's gone seriously downhill since then. Maybe we got lucky? Without serious financial backing we are not realistically going to break into the top half of the league again - the amount of money up there is frankly insane.

Personally I am bored s*itless of rolling into another season with the sole aim of staying in the league. A cup run would be welcome but recently that has clearly not been a priority.

I wouldn't mind dropping back into the championship, just so we can rebuild and have a season where we could see our team win a few games and get some positive attitude excitement back into the hawthorns.
Sides that drop into the Championship don't always find it easy to get back up. However dragging people back into reality and winning a few games would be refreshing!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 29, 2014, 09:33:16 AM
I back Peace’s judgement on what he chooses to do with Irvine, I haven’t disagreed with one of his previous firings and he usually gets them right in terms of timing as well.  Stick or twist I back Peace’s judgement, I hope he doesn't bow down simply because of fan pressure, nor do I expect him to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 29, 2014, 09:34:11 AM
You sort of contradicted yourself there. It's not all Irvines fault, yet hodgson managed to do it. Kind of proves if you have the right man at the top it can work. Irvine is not the right man.

I understand what you mean but Dan Ashworth was clearly an integral part of that regime.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 09:34:24 AM
You sort of contradicted yourself there. It's not all Irvines fault, yet hodgson managed to do it. Kind of proves if you have the right man at the top it can work. Irvine is not the right man.
Hodgson had the advantage of having players who could find the net and significant options up front. Apples and Oranges. Our poor recruitment happened after he left.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
I back Peace’s judgement on what he chooses to do with Irvine, I haven’t disagreed with one of his previous firings and he usually gets them right in terms of timing as well.  Stick or twist I back Peace’s judgement, I hope he doesn't bow down simply because of fan pressure, nor do I expect him to.
You don't become a successful businessman or football chairman by being weak or listening to the uneducated (not meant in a derogatory way, in most cases ;), but most of us don't know what is happening at the club on a day to day basis we get a glimpse of 90 minutes once a week).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on December 29, 2014, 09:40:44 AM
Hodgson had the advantage of having players who could find the net and significant options up front. Apples and Oranges. Our poor recruitment happened after he left.
To be fair comparing any year and manager to any other is apples to oranges. The way I prefer to think of it is would we be in this situation if hodgson had this group of players, personally don't think so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 09:41:51 AM
It's very easy to pin the blame on Irvine but if we are honest it's the whole set up at the club that isn't working. Whilst we are in the premier league and Peace owns our club we will always be trying to punch above our weight. Trying to do more with less.

Roy managed to do this brilliantly but it's gone seriously downhill since then. Maybe we got lucky? Without serious financial backing we are not realistically going to break into the top half of the league again - the amount of money up there is frankly insane.

Personally I am bored s*itless of rolling into another season with the sole aim of staying in the league. A cup run would be welcome but recently that has clearly not been a priority.

I wouldn't mind dropping back into the championship, just so we can rebuild and have a season where we could see our team win a few games and get some positive attitude excitement back into the hawthorns.



i do agree, i wont loose any sleep playing in the championship and not the greed league.Not with Irvine and his staff though.We need  a total fresh start
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 09:47:07 AM
I understand what you mean but Dan Ashworth was clearly an integral part of that regime.

What does Dan Ashworth earn at the FA?  £500k a year?   If I was Peace I'd offer him treble to come back here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 09:47:59 AM
whilst we don't see the nuances and the minutae we do see trends over long periods and no-one can dispute that there has not been a positive trend since 8th position was achieved.

We have no divine right (as apparently some clubs do) to expect improvement but as paying punters we do have a right to be entertained. AI has tried to be a little more expansive I think but then reverts to type in a make or break game, Sorry but this "experiment" has run its course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 29, 2014, 09:49:56 AM
I think I'd second that. For a bloke who's supposed to be weak, he'll have some b@lls to carry on after yesterdays vitriol though. I think I would want to be taken out of the firing line.

Not sure it's about strength of character more ability as a coach. Pay me large sums of money to do a Job in football and you can give me all the stick you like it would take a lot for me to resign.

Let's not forget this is the blokes profession he has not accidentally walked into being a head coach and part of his profession is taking stick, wether that's right or wrong. Ask the nurses in A and E on a Saturday night if they would want his wages for the stick he gets.

I agree he inherited a hard task with a big player turn around and a poor coaching setup in KD and DK. Not his fault out of his depth, a bad appointment in the first place. Peace needs to do a proper job not a half arsed hiring of a junior coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
AI might have worked well after Roy, with a comparatively stable squad. I'm fact, I see AI as similar to Steve Clarke in many ways. The fact in my mind is that he is wrong man for the current time and I'm convinced the board now know this but it will take them time to establish the next steps which will include signing some decent forwards in January. I think he'll be here for WHU and then we'll see some fresh people come in. This is all my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
Can't believe the coaching clowns/Peace's puppets are still here this morning after the non-event of yesterday and ONE win in NINE.
It looks like his been given West Ham; another wasted game and the games diminish rapidly and the tough run-in gets nearer.
I hate missing any home Albion game and really enjoy the 3rd round of the FA Cup BUT if Irvine and Downing are still in place on Saturday then I won't bother - the club don't seem to be bothered with their cheap, nasty penny-pinching set-up so why should I when it's a non-event anyway !

* still hope for a change before then and, all along Peace has something positive lined up, some hope !!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
Sky reporting this am that Irvine is safe for the moment and will be in charge for the Hammers match.

Hope this is because Peace is finalising arrangements elsewhere, rather than looking to ride the storm.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:02:27 AM
I suspect he'll get the WHUFC game and new guy will get the "morale " boost of a win against the mighty gateshead
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:02:46 AM
It does look more and more like no changes before West Ham so what happens then.

I'll never want Albion to lose a game just to get Irvine out, but any sort of result will keep him in a job till at least mid January.....

It does need a clear out of all the coaches simply because the atmosphere is so poisonous at the minute that a fresh start is the only way however, as a fan, I hope we get some positive results even if it does mean that Irvine will stay.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 29, 2014, 10:07:53 AM
Surely, after the fans reaction at Stoke, his position becomes untenable? I've been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years and have never known such anger and bitterness towards a manager / head coach. He simply has to go. I don't know what Peace is thinking, he should have been gone as soon as the final whistle was blown yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:08:26 AM
Watch us get a result against West Ham now.

There is a little rumour going around that due to the settlement agreement with Pulis, he isn't available to another club until the new year.

I wonder if that bit of information is what is holding JP back or if it's even true. That's assuming again of course that he is/would be interested.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Dorrans should provide more defensive support to his full back (although he didn't in my opinion), Brunt is far more of a "quarterback" influencing our attacks which was clearly noticeable when he came on against Man City. When you play Stoke with tiny forwards you have to have good distribution along the floor. Mulumbu can break up play but equally his passing and ball retention is not the greatest. It is fine margins with our squad, we don't have many players with multiple assets.

We are not a club that has the quality to play a quarterback type midfielder. Brunt is a wide player nothing more. He was out of his depth yesterday, Nzonzi had a field day with a powder puff midfield incapable of putting challenges in and hit and hope balls for Brown to try and run on to it. it was embarrassing to watch at times. Two central midfielders out wide, two on the bench and we stick our only natural wide player other than Varela in the middle, baffling. Influenced our attacks against City ? really ? he took two corners, one we scored from when Hart flapped and the other when Lescott put it over, the rest of the time he was steady and passed it sideways.

The only decent through ball from the midfield yesterday was from the much maligned Dorrans to Gardner who then passed it to Begovic with Brown in space.

Results business and we ain't getting them. Irvine picks the team, he convinced somehow the club that he was upto the job, results and performances suggest otherwise. The players who proclaim him as nice are not backing it up with performances. He has a select group of players and so far has been reluctant to look beyond them unless for ced to either by injuries/ suspension or in the case of Brown and Varela more seemingly fan pressure.

I admire your loyalty to him but time for the clearout.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on December 29, 2014, 10:13:43 AM
He's gone, trust me. Peace has learnt from past mistakes of not having people lined up and will this week be having first or possibly second discussions with the potentials.

Given the stick he got last time he will be making sure we can appoint quick, not point in removing Irvine just yet and having the media all over us.

Next week we'll have a new man in charge and this nightmare will be over.

Like a lot of people I can't see past Pullis and I'm doubting JP can. BUT will he fit......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:15:42 AM
He's gone, trust me. Peace has learnt from past mistakes of not having people lined up and will this week be having first or possibly second discussions with the potentials.

Next week we'll have a new man in charge and this nightmare will be over.

So what happens then if we have a blinder and beat West Ham 3 or 4 nil? Surely, JP would not sack him after that?

He needs to go today with promises from JP that it will be sorted in time for the Gateshead game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Watch us get a result against West Ham now.

There is a little rumour going around that due to the settlement agreement with Pulis, he isn't available to another club until the new year.

I wonder if that bit of information is what is holding JP back or if it's even true. That's assuming again of course that he is/would be interested.

Seems quite plausible.   It might also be why Hull and Leicester haven't made a move for him yet!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 29, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
So what happens then if we have a blinder and beat West Ham 3 or 4 nil?


Are you on drugs?

 ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
Headline on the BBC Sports ticker: West Brom will not make a decision on Monday over the future of head coach Alan Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on December 29, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
Express and star saying he's stil in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on December 29, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Watch us get a result against West Ham now.

There is a little rumour going around that due to the settlement agreement with Pulis, he isn't available to another club until the new year.
I wonder if that bit of information is what is holding JP back or if it's even true. That's assuming again of course that he is/would be interested.

Surprised if thatt's true, it was reported that he'd walked out over player recruitment!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:23:00 AM

Are you on drugs?

 ;)

No not yet, too early  ;D

But in all seriousness what if we do get a result and a good performance. Lets be honest we're due a bit of luck.

How can JP then turn around and say your gone?

He should have gone before the Villa game, and as I sad back then that result is the one that will relegate us because we will leave it too late to make changes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
A senior West Brom source has told Sky Sports News HQ that Alan Irvine WILL be in charge for the game against West Ham on New Year's Day.

Who could that source be, I wonder. Chris Lepkowski?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
Headline on the BBC Sports ticker: West Brom will not make a decision on Monday over the future of head coach Alan Irvine

I guess JP is in mid-air today to his annual holiday in the sun!

I've seen it suggested that plans to place Downing in temporary charge have had to be revisited because of away crowd reaction yesterday.  Could well be right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
A senior West Brom source has told Sky Sports News HQ that Alan Irvine WILL be in charge for the game against West Ham on New Year's Day.

Who could that source be, I wonder. Chris Lepkowski?

The same one that said we had signed Lukaku on another loan only for him to go to Everton.  :P

He's here until the new year and in my opinion until the end of Jan so may as well get used to it.

I guess JP is in mid-air today to his annual holiday in the sun!

I've seen it suggested that plans to place Downing in temporary charge have had to be revisited because of away crowd reaction yesterday.  Could well be right.

He was at Stoke yesterday. He left after the second goal by all accounts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 29, 2014, 10:26:53 AM
It's interesting that no-one is saying Irvine's job is safe for the time being only that he will be in charge for the West Ham game. It really does look as though Jeremy is lining something up behind the scenes. As has been pointed out already there's no way he'll want a five / six week gap between appointments like last time, for one he couldn't afford that he needs a quick appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:29:31 AM
If he does get a result against West Ham, say a 1-0 win, how much time do you think that would buy him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:30:18 AM
It's interesting that no-one is saying Irvine's job is safe for the time being only that he will be in charge for the West Ham game. It really does look as though Jeremy is lining something up behind the scenes. As has been pointed out already there's no way he'll want a five / six week gap between appointments like last time, for one he couldn't afford that he needs a quick appointment.

Maybe, and of course he cannot use Downing as a temporary measure either after yesterday.

The negative side of me expects Irvine to be in charge at the end of Jan.

If he does get a result against West Ham, say a 1-0 win, how much time do you think that would buy him?

Well if the Villa game is anything to go by another few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
People are mistaken if they think JP doesn't want to pull the pin based on any blind loyalty or worry about loss of face. The decision was made a while ago, the Villa game didn't buy Irvine time, it bought the club time.

This will be a complete clean sweep job and the club is making sure it's as seamless as possible hence the delay.


Off another forum usually reliable, he has also hinted that we have been talking to Pulis last few days.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
People are mistaken if they think JP doesn't want to pull the pin based on any blind loyalty or worry about loss of face. The decision was made a while ago, the Villa game didn't buy Irvine time, it bought the club time.

This will be a complete clean sweep job and the club is making sure it's as seamless as possible hence the delay.


Off another forum usually reliable, he has also hinted that we have been talking to Pulis last few days.

Let's assume that the above is true (and I do hope that it is).

Why now? Why not in the summer when we had the opportunity to take a bit of time?

If it has been ongoing since the Villa game why only speak to Pulis in the last few days?

As I say I hope it's true, I just cannot see it at the minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
So what happens then if we have a blinder and beat West Ham 3 or 4 nil? Surely, JP would not sack him after that?

He needs to go today with promises from JP that it will be sorted in time for the Gateshead game.

That my freind is the most ludicrous post I have seen on this site, in what reality are we going to beat west ham by 3 or 4 ???? (no offence, like)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 29, 2014, 10:40:39 AM
I am glad he is still here, a man of dignity and respect. I was disgusted by our fans yesterday, the abuse hurled towards him was embarrassing. The man is working hard to get the club results, he will get there eventually.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
Let's assume that the above is true (and I do hope that it is).

Why now? Why not in the summer when we had the opportunity to take a bit of time?

If it has been ongoing since the Villa game why only speak to Pulis in the last few days?

As I say I hope it's true, I just cannot see it at the minute.

Peace obviously took a gamble in the summer and it failed, maybe it was Burton's recommendation who knows. Well we could have been speaking to Pulis for weeks for all we know. The guy didn't state anything to do with few days thats just me assuming based on him telling people to take up odds of 5/2 yesterday on Pulis, the odds dropped now to 5/4.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
I am glad he is still here, a man of dignity and respect. I was disgusted by our fans yesterday, the abuse hurled towards him was embarrassing. The man is working hard to get the club results, he will get there eventually.


British Rail use to say that. whilst i agree with you about the abuse this coach will never be accepted.Its best all round if hes gone by the end of the week
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 29, 2014, 10:44:55 AM
People are mistaken if they think JP doesn't want to pull the pin based on any blind loyalty or worry about loss of face. The decision was made a while ago, the Villa game didn't buy Irvine time, it bought the club time.

This will be a complete clean sweep job and the club is making sure it's as seamless as possible hence the delay.


Off another forum usually reliable, he has also hinted that we have been talking to Pulis last few days.


Makes sense. Let's hope it is true. It would also go some way to explaining why the odds on Pulis have shortened over the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 29, 2014, 10:45:17 AM
That my freind is the most ludicrous post I have seen on this site, in what reality are we going to beat west ham by 3 or 4 ???? (no offence, like)
Agreed! Havent West Ham only lost to the gooners at home this year?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Aidan, he can work hard 24/7/365, be honorable, honset, diligent ...... but if he cannot "manage" the matchday situation he is not going to keep his job,
its sad but nonetheless true.

I wasn't there so can't comment on the abuse other than he ain't the first and he won't be the las to get abused it goes with the territory (again sadly)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:46:10 AM
That my freind is the most ludicrous post I have seen on this site, in what reality are we going to beat west ham by 3 or 4 ???? (no offence, like)

Yes it is ludicrous. But if i'd have said this time last year that Irvine would be in charge in the summer you would have also said that was ludicrous.

This is football anything could happen. I don't expect us to stick 4 past West Ham just that it could happen.

My point was that if he is going after the West Ham game regardless of the result, how will that look to everyone else if we have managed to win with a decent result. The Villa game bought him time, and I'm sure a win against West Ham will buy him a bit more time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:48:27 AM
No one on here is denying that he comes across as a nice guy.

At the end of the day this is a results business and he isnt getting results. We arent even scrapping few draws when we play bad as other teams around us seem to be picking up the odd point here, we tend to lose not draw.

Sorry Alan but its never going to work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 10:50:23 AM
I am glad he is still here, a man of dignity and respect. I was disgusted by our fans yesterday, the abuse hurled towards him was embarrassing. The man is working hard to get the club results, he will get there eventually.

The fans have been VERY patient in the main. For all the moans/ rants on here at games there has been nothing until yesterday apart from a small section at the end of the QPR game. Yes there have been boos after some strange substitutions which have baffled almost all of us (not all obviously). Yesterday enough was enough. For 90 minutes I back that team and Irvine but at the end I will voice my opinion.

If that makes me a bad fan so be it, past caring and yes I will be at West Ham for 90 minutes backing them all again.

As for Irvine he may be a nice man as we are told again I don't care, he is paid well to do a job and he along with others are failing in that job (no doubt I will be told we are not in the bottom three so he is not failing etc etc), results business, we are not getting them. His record is appalling and his little band of merry men on the pitch are not backing up their words of how much they rate him with performances.

Lets hear how a few others think of him instead of the same old faces who coincidentally are practically guaranteed starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:50:27 AM
TBH I don't give a stuff how it looks to those who are not baggies fans !

neither will JP, viz Clarke & DiMatteo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
if JP left immediately after the second goal thats never a good sign, another win for Irvine whenever that might be is simply papering over the cracks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
if JP left immediately after the second goal thats never a good sign, another win for Irvine whenever that might be is simply papering over the cracks

where did you get that snippet from???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 29, 2014, 10:53:14 AM
The fans have been VERY patient in the main. For all the moans/ rants on here at games there has been nothing until yesterday apart from a small section at the end of the QPR game. Yes there have been boos after some strange substitutions which have baffled almost all of us (not all obviously). Yesterday enough was enough. For 90 minutes I back that team and Irvine but at the end I will voice my opinion.

If that makes me a bad fan so be it, past caring and yes I will be at West Ham for 90 minutes backing them all again.

As for Irvine he may be a nice man as we are told again I don't care, he is paid well to do a job and he along with others are failing in that job (no doubt I will be told we are not in the bottom three so he is not failing etc etc), results business, we are not getting them. His record is appalling and his little band of merry men on the pitch are not backing up their words of how much they rate him with performances.

Lets hear how a few others think of him instead of the same old faces who coincidentally are practically guaranteed starts.


I understand the point you are making entirely but I'm not the slightest bit interested in who likes or doesn't like him. He can be as popular as Princess Di for all I care, if he's not good enough, he's not good enough. That is the only thing that matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:54:22 AM
where did you get that snippet from???

It was on WM yesterday. During the first bit of the commentary they noted that JP was there.

After the second goal they made a comment that he had left.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Well i would think AI is toast then, just depends when JP gets his ducks in line .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
It was on WM yesterday. During the first bit of the commentary they noted that JP was there.

After the second goal they made a comment that he had left.

I can confirm I heard the same aswell.

I think we all know now that the question is, not if but when..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:57:30 AM
As someone pointed out on the radio yesterday we might not be in the bottom three but we are behind where we should be given our run in at the end of the season.

We need to have 35 points on the board before our last 5 games to stand a chance of stopping up.

As for the 'abuse' Irvine and Downing got, I think it's justified especially given what we've witnessed in the last few weeks and the amounts of money spent.

What did seem odd was the clapping of the players afterwards. Seemed strange to me after the abuse Irvine got.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 29, 2014, 11:01:58 AM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who is known have a source of ITK info:

"People are mistaken if they think JP doesn't want to pull the pin based on any blind loyalty or worry about loss of face. The decision was made a while ago, the Villa game didn't buy Irvine time, it bought the club time. This will be a complete clean sweep job and the club is making sure it's as seamless as possible hence the delay"

In later posts, the same person says that Burton isn't part of this "clean sweep" and the replacement will be "Pulis or Sherwood".

It's a shame that the ITKers on WestBrom.com have fallen silent in terms of posting ITK info, most likely due to the stick they get when they do post, sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
It's a shame that the ITKers on WestBrom.com have fallen silent in terms of posting ITK info, most likely due to the stick they get when they do post, sadly.

I think some of that was posted earlier too.

I agree that it is a shame that there isn't many ITK posters around.

It is a difficult one because people who post as ITK are judged by what they say is going to happen against what actually happens.

What people don't see is the bit in between that means it can change in an instant and doesn't necessarily mean that person isn't ITK.

Of course on the flip side you get those who pretend to be ITK and just wind people up.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
I think some of that was posted earlier too.

I agree that it is a shame that there isn't many ITK posters around.

It is a difficult one because people who post as ITK are judged by what they say is going to happen against what actually happens.

What people don't see is the bit in between that means it can change in an instant and doesn't necessarily mean that person isn't ITK.

Of course on the flip side you get those who pretend to be ITK and just wind people up.



The ITK S certainly wont be writing on fanzone facebook, this site is mild and meek compared to that one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 29, 2014, 11:09:48 AM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who is known have a source of ITK info:

"People are mistaken if they think JP doesn't want to pull the pin based on any blind loyalty or worry about loss of face. The decision was made a while ago, the Villa game didn't buy Irvine time, it bought the club time. This will be a complete clean sweep job and the club is making sure it's as seamless as possible hence the delay"

In later posts, the same person says that Burton isn't part of this "clean sweep" and the replacement will be "Pulis or Sherwood".

It's a shame that the ITKers on WestBrom.com have fallen silent in terms of posting ITK info, most likely due to the stick they get when they do post, sadly.


From what I've heard Peace was very impressed with Sherwood in the summer but Sherwood wouldn't come without his own men. If there is to be a clear-out it may pave the way for Sherwood. I think Pulis might be the go-to man though for his proven record of keeping teams in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 11:10:59 AM
Latest that I'm hearing - Pulis is interested, willing to be head coach but will be bringing in some of his own coaches. Whether downing and keily go I don't know? Irvine will go before west ham game if all goes to plan with pulis in before Gateshead game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
I agree its a shame how some of the ITK get spoken to when they post a bit of information if it doesnt come out that way.

I always used to look out for Baggies79 posts as he was spot on 9 times out of 10.

Back on topic however, I can see us going back to Sherwood if he impressed Peace. I would hope we would at least speak to Pulis first though and see if hes interested.

This season is literally just about staying up now, I dont care what football I witness as long as it gets results. (at the moment im watching dross and not seeing results).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 29, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
On the Sessegnon sub, he had a bit of a calf problem. Irvine has a job to look after our players, he's played Sess in nearly every game, it's obvious he sees him as a key player to the team. Sessegnon has usually been taken off for fitness or injury reasons, even so he was poor in the final third yesterday. It's no good dribbling the ball and running past players if your final pass, cross and shot aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:13:32 AM

From what I've heard Peace was very impressed with Sherwood in the summer but Sherwood wouldn't come without his own men. If there is to be a clear-out it may pave the way for Sherwood. I think Pulis might be the go-to man though for his proven record of keeping teams in the Premiership.

I think it is probably going to be between Pulis & Sherwood, I personally would prefer Pulis.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on December 29, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
Latest that I'm hearing - Pulis is interested, willing to be head coach but will be bringing in some of his own coaches. Whether downing and keily go I don't know? Irvine will go before west ham game if all goes to plan with pulis in before Gateshead game.
So the clowns will be in charge for West Ham then!  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:14:27 AM
Latest that I'm hearing - Pulis is interested, willing to be head coach but will be bringing in some of his own coaches. Whether downing and keily go I don't know? Irvine will go before west ham game if all goes to plan with pulis in before Gateshead game.

Hopefully your right, but for the team to be shaken up in terms of mentality and taken out of their comfot zone, Downing and Kiely need to go aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 29, 2014, 11:15:04 AM
Trouble is the players love him. He is mr nice guy. They love his coaching because its probably p*** easy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:15:55 AM
I think it is probably going to be between Pulis & Sherwood, I personally would prefer Pulis.

Agreed.

Pulis is a known quantity whereas Sherwood is a little unpredictable.

We need a bit of stability now and not more issues.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 11:16:07 AM
On the Sessegnon sub, he had a bit of a calf problem. Irvine has a job to look after our players, he's played Sess in nearly every game, it's obvious he sees him as a key player to the team. Sessegnon has usually been taken off for fitness or injury reasons, even so he was poor in the final third yesterday. It's no good dribbling the ball and running past players if your final pass, cross and shot aren't good enough.

So in a busy Christmas period why not leave players out who have issues with fitness ? we have a squad of players not just a select bunch. We had Mulumbu, Yacob amongst the subs, we had Blanco kicking his heels enjoying some family time so why pick a player who has a slight injury ?

Sess played wide left, we had Brunt starting and Varela on the bench both of whom are naturals in that position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
Thing with Sherwood also is, think some of his planned backroom staff in summer have found clubs elsewhere now.. I think Ferdinand & Ramsey are now at QPR, so that might be an issue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
What irvine has done with blanco is a joke. In the cup games he has been our best player. Was very impressive vs hull. Should be playing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2014, 11:25:29 AM
The final , final straw for me was starting away at Stoke without one decent ball winning midfielder . ::)
I actually don't feel angry towards Irvine , it's clear he is out of his depth but he was never going to turn the job down . I've always backed JP and the job he has done here but from day one Irvine was struggling , look at Pre Season and the awful defending against Porto , Forest and Port Vale ....that has pretty much carried on all season.
I want Irvine gone but for me JP takes the blame and should have acted weeks ago in all honesty.
Whether certain players love Irvine or not the results and performances have been nowhere near good enough overall.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
Of coursre the players love him.

They probably have a laugh in training and the game on a Saturday is an inconvience at best.

If we get relegated it doesn't matter because the likes of Foster and Mulumbu will find other clubs and we will be stuck with the dross of Brunt and Morrison.

There is no consequence to their actions.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 29, 2014, 11:28:21 AM
So in a busy Christmas period why not leave players out who have issues with fitness ? we have a squad of players not just a select bunch. We had Mulumbu, Yacob amongst the subs, we had Blanco kicking his heels enjoying some family time so why pick a player who has a slight injury ?

Sess played wide left, we had Brunt starting and Varela on the bench both of whom are naturals in that position.

I thought Yacob should have been used in the City game. Blanco is probably seen as not being good enough for Premier League football and Irvine thought he could get an hour from Sess will would cause a bigger threat to the Stoke defence than other options. Varela was probably being looked after too as he might not have been able to start another game so soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
Coaching school - Football head coach 101.

Qu 1. You are going to play Stoke away in december, Summarise your tactics in 3 lines


Answer,
it ain't going to be pretty,
They are big, physical and quick.

i will leave my two most experienced & aggressive defensive midfielders on bench

result
Fail   E - minus !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
I thought Yacob should have been used in the City game. Blanco is probably seen as not being good enough for Premier League football and Irvine thought he could get an hour from Sess will would cause a bigger threat to the Stoke defence than other options. Varela was probably being looked after too as he might not have been able to start another game so soon.

Poor excuses, if a player is injured he is injured. Playing wide players in the middle and central players wide is poor selection when naturals are available and players with injuries should not be risked during busy times when alternatives are fit and ready. So if Varela is fit then start him over an injured Sess or play a fit Mulumbu or fit Yacob or move a fit Brunt out wide to avoid making a slight injury a bigger one.

As for Blanco who knows if he is good enough. He could have been on the bench at least and could have done no worse than those who did play in that weak midfield.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 29, 2014, 11:41:52 AM
Poor excuses, if a player is injured he is injured. Playing wide players in the middle and central players wide is poor selection when naturals are available and players with injuries should not be risked during busy times when alternatives are fit and ready. So if Varela is fit then start him over an injured Sess or play a fit Mulumbu or fit Yacob or move a fit Brunt out wide to avoid making a slight injury a bigger one.

As for Blanco who knows if he is good enough. He could have been on the bench at least and could have done no worse than those who did play in that weak midfield.

That's all we hear every single week from Irvine and his supporters, poor excuses. Enough is enough, I'm sick to death of this bloke and his turgid football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2014, 11:45:30 AM
Poor excuses, if a player is injured he is injured. Playing wide players in the middle and central players wide is poor selection when naturals are available and players with injuries should not be risked during busy times when alternatives are fit and ready. So if Varela is fit then start him over an injured Sess or play a fit Mulumbu or fit Yacob or move a fit Brunt out wide to avoid making a slight injury a bigger one.

As for Blanco who knows if he is good enough. He could have been on the bench at least and could have done no worse than those who did play in that weak midfield.

Exactly, how do we know Blanco is not good enough without seeing play in the Prem ?
Dorrans, Brunt, Morrison, Mulumbu and, to a lesser extent, Gardner, are not really showing they are good enough as each game goes by are they ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:51:28 AM
Not just Blanco, add Samaras.  He has not been given a chance - WHY FFS???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:53:03 AM
I thought Yacob should have been used in the City game. Blanco is probably seen as not being good enough for Premier League football and Irvine thought he could get an hour from Sess will would cause a bigger threat to the Stoke defence than other options. Varela was probably being looked after too as he might not have been able to start another game so soon.
Just like Steve Madeley's sources at the club reported that Varela was seen as "not good enough" by the current inept coaching team, before succumbing to fan pressure. Blanco is a very, very good player, and it's a travesty he's not playing games for us while the likes of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner are. Same goes for Gamboa and Wisdom. The sooner the new coaching team are instilled and recognise this, the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Time to go before things start getting nasty - I assume that when Irvine does go and we're lumbered with Downing and Kiely then they too will start receiving even more abuse than yesterday.

We are a poor side, plenty of sideways passes, plenty of possession in areas which cause the opposition no problems at all but we're hideous in either final third. Our defenders have seemingly lost the art of knowing how to defend and our forwards are so isolated and receive so little service its hardly surprising the goals have dried up.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Mulumbu and Yacob spent most the game sitting on the bench when that Stoke midfield were running through Gardner, Brunt and Morrison. I don't recall one of them even making a tackle. Where's their fight and ******* bottle man?

I've heard the excuse about needing to utilise the squad in this Christmas period but I find that excuse really funny when the likes of Wisdom, Gardner, Morrison keep getting game time on the back of poor performances and others have to get splinters on the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
I read from Various sources Irvine is not expecting any incomings, how ironic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 12:02:20 PM
I read from Various sources Irvine is not expecting any incomings, how ironic

He won't be here that's why :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 29, 2014, 12:03:26 PM
So in a busy Christmas period why not leave players out who have issues with fitness ? we have a squad of players not just a select bunch. We had Mulumbu, Yacob amongst the subs, we had Blanco kicking his heels enjoying some family time so why pick a player who has a slight injury ?
I'm sure Irvine said earlier in the month that the entire squad would be needed over this period. He obviously just meant he wanted to pick his non-favourites against Gateshead....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 12:05:45 PM
weakened !!!!!!!!!!!!!

How???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 12:05:53 PM
I'm sure Irvine said earlier in the month that the entire squad would be needed over this period. He obviously just meant he wanted to pick a weakened side against Gateshead....

I bet the Gateshead team are rubbing their hands together thinking they've got a very good chance of beating us, and I wouldn't blame them.

I'm hopeful Irvine won't be around but wouldn't be surprised if he's still here then either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 29, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
weakened !!!!!!!!!!!!!

How???
Yes, bad phrasing on my part - i've changed it!   :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggiesFacts on December 29, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
My thoughts on Alan Irvine and the current situation. Would have stuck them on our website however I have issues with getting it online currently.

Let me know what you think...

''So, exactly half-way through the 2014/15 season, nineteen games in and there we have it. The Alan Irvine experiment has well and truly failed. The Scot, clearly well-liked in football circles and by many of his colleagues at the Baggies just hasn’t delivered the results which show the promise of Premier League football next term. During his time with the Albion the team have amassed a total of just four league wins - three by a margin of one goal - and bottled (no escaping that one!) a great opportunity to progress in the Capital One Cup.

Throughout the whole ‘Irvine Out’ debate, which seems to have ensued for what seems like an age, I have tried to stay objective. None of us ‘fans’ will have the knowledge Irvine has on the game we all love, that’s a fact. Now hold on before you stop reading! Yes, we pay our money and can have our say, we’re very much entitled to it. But we also don’t spend our entire working life trying to win football matches. On so many occasions you see fans jumping on bandwagons or wanting people’s heads on a stick in a knee-jerk reaction, this is what football is nowadays. It simply can’t be like this, someone has to be unsuccessful in order for another to achieve. But what we may lack in terms of understanding how to manage a Premier League football club, or any football club, we can make up for in passion, imagination and love for the game and our particular club. We all want the Albion to be successful. It’s not however our right to see us be successful but it’s what we all want to see. A common goal. We want to see the Baggies beat the bigger sides from time to time, have the optimism that we can get three points on any given day and even push towards winning a cup. Nobody feels this way at the minute, nor have we for quite some time and this is what needs fixing.

This has to start with Alan Irvine being shown the door. Albion have gained less than a point per game under his leadership, winning as noted above, just four games. Only one of those games has been by more than a one-goal margin. ‘Tentative’ some would say, ‘completely negative’ might some others. We have lost ten games up to now this season, six of those have been by more than one goal. In terms of goals scored, we’ve had plenty of different goal scorers (ten) but the quantity and rate which they are scoring hasn’t been good enough.

Some will point to the lack of flair players and the limitations of those being picked. ‘Too many players with similar styles of play’ is one I’ve heard time and time again. Of course thisn’t wholly true but the thought process behind it is a fair one. At times we have lacked that cutting edge, and yes to a large extent that has to be the Head Coach's fault.

This parting of ways (should it happen) however isn’t a simple one. After Pepe Mel, which didn’t work for one reason or another, some may question the amount of backing he was given, we needed stability. We haven’t found that with Irvine. We can’t be one of those clubs like Queens Park Rangers were a few years back, that go through more managers than they win games.

People are suggesting that a complete clear out is the answer. Keith Downing and Dean Kiely have been here throughout the good times and now the bad. Are they part of the problem? Are the players all too comfortable? Realistically who knows. We can’t answer those questions, we don’t see what happens on a day-to-day. But it is looking increasingly like they aren’t part of any solution either. You can see the thinking when it comes to keeping stability in certain roles throughout the club, but sometimes giving everything a shake-up, putting people on edge, letting people know their positions aren’t safe, is a good thing. We need a professional environment where players are always pushing each other to succeed. We want them to be fearful of their place in the team. Now that’s not saying this isn’t currently the case, but it would certainly be reinforced with a completely new approach from a completely new team of coaches.

The right decision is in my opinion to sack Alan Irvine at this point. It probably wasn’t the right decision to appoint him, but fair is fair, everyone needs a chance in football and in life. People will probably on the back of this poor first half of the season forget the efforts made by Jeremy Peace and the Albion decision makers during the summer to progress the club forward. We shouldn’t. It's not about that right now, it’s about what we need to do to make sure we stay in this league.

We must all, as a fan base, get behind the club and hopefully with the right man or right team of men in charge of the playing side, see the improvements required.''
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 29, 2014, 12:10:18 PM
Do we honestly think he will be gone and have the new guy in ready for gateshead? Especially after how long it took us to replace Clarke and Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 12:13:31 PM
Do we honestly think he will be gone and have the new guy in ready for gateshead? Especially after how long it took us to replace Clarke and Mel.

If he's going then it will be immediately after the West Ham game.

Then have Downing and Kiely in charge for Gateshead and it will give the club a bit more time in their four to six weeks process of due diligence.. ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
WEll i find myself feeling sorry for AI if what we are hearing is true in that he will still be in charge for the west ham game the blokes will get slaughtered if we lose, totally unfair of you JP  to put him in that position, grow a pair & sack the man & let him keep some dignity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 29, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
Maybe Irvine would prefer to carry on working at his current pay rate and put up with the flack during and after matches. It's probably a small minority who go as far as shouting abuse at him but it's those that the cameras pick up of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on December 29, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
Sack him now and we get Downing in charge for a few games. What's the point in that? All you get is more of the same.

I'm just hoping that Peace is making the right moves behind the scenes to line up wholesale changes to address all the issues.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 29, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
Just like Steve Madeley's sources at the club reported that Varela was seen as "not good enough" by the current inept coaching team, before succumbing to fan pressure. Blanco is a very, very good player, and it's a travesty he's not playing games for us while the likes of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner are. Same goes for Gamboa and Wisdom. The sooner the new coaching team are instilled and recognise this, the better.
Is this the injured Varela who we had to get permission from his parent club to determine whether he could have an operation, which he did, and has then fought his way back to fitness (although clearly not full fitness) and is regularly featuring in the first team squad and getting game time? Fan pressure or working with the coaches?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 29, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
I cannot for the life of me understand why Mulumbu and Yacob spent most the game sitting on the bench when that Stoke midfield were running through Gardner, Brunt and Morrison. I don't recall one of them even making a tackle. Where's their fight and ******* bottle man?

Spot on. The manager is a muppet. He works very hard yet doesn't have the football intelligence to work out that Mulumbu and Yacob are better holding midfield players than Gardner, Brunt and Morrison - how the later is still in the starting eleven is a mystery to begin with. He appears to adopt a if your from the UK your in mentality. The foreigners have to live off crumbs.

If Alan Irvine can't spot the bleedin obvious then it really doesn't matter how long he spends on the training ground and in his office.

We have a team that has mastered the art of losing, whether we play well or play badly which is a fatal sign. We are 50% into the season and on course for 34 points which is relegation form. We pass the ball sideways around our own half with no purpose. We have no strategy or shape. There is no spine to the team or structure. The players don't know what they are doing and a lot are hiding.

What a shambles. Without major surgery it's going to get worse as well, seven defeats from nine is freefall territory.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
Is this the injured Varela who we had to get permission from his parent club to determine whether he could have an operation, which he did, and has then fought his way back to fitness (although clearly not full fitness) and is regularly featuring in the first team squad and getting game time? Fan pressure or working with the coaches?
No, he had been fit before his injury and still wan't getting the chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Sack him now and we get Downing in charge for a few games. What's the point in that? All you get is more of the same.

I'm just hoping that Peace is making the right moves behind the scenes to line up wholesale changes to address all the issues.


Downings record is better than Irvines.The longer Irvine stays at this club the less chance we have of staying up.God forbid if we have to put up with Irvine in the Championship
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ianbrown9999 on December 29, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
I really do think its pointless giving Irvine abuse. The club need to realise that the fans dont like the rest of the coaching staff. I believe the only way that JP will take notice is if the fans dont go or a walk out takes place.

The players are clearly too comfortable and I think a change in backroom staff and head coach would cause the players to buck up their ideas or they would naturally move on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie79 on December 29, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
I'm going to make good use of my time today and create a paper yellow bar with Alan Irvine sacked by West Brom  on it then turn on sky sports news and sellotape my yellow bar to the tv giving the illusion the inept clown has gone  :D

On a serious note the decision to sack him has already been made but he wont be officially relieved of his duties until after our next bad performance which will more than likely be against West Ham barring a result that will make him impossible to sack i.e. if we won 3, 4, 5 nil.

This makes sense in a couple of ways, if we did appoint a new manager today he would not have enough time to work with players before the game, also if a new manager came in and we get tonked 3 or 4 at an inform West Ham in his first game it would be a morale sapping first game that may may dilute the effect of having a new manager, thirdly it buys the club time to line up a replacement and conduct interviews.

My "personal opinion" is that they are already pretty sure who they want, I don't think we are looking at the length of time it took to appoint the last two managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 01:23:57 PM
i hope you are right 79 !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 01:25:22 PM
I'm going to make good use of my time today and create a paper yellow bar with Alan Irvine sacked by West Brom  on it then turn on sky sports news and sellotape my yellow bar to the tv giving the illusion the inept clown has gone  :D

On a serious note the decision to sack him has already been made but he wont be officially relieved of his duties until after our next bad performance which will more than likely be against West Ham barring a result that will make him impossible to sack i.e. if we won 3, 4, 5 nil.

This makes sense in a couple of ways, if we did appoint a new manager today he would not have enough time to work with players before the game, also if a new manager came in and we get tonked 3 or 4 at an inform West Ham in his first game it would be a morale sapping first game that may may dilute the effect of having a new manager, thirdly it buys the club time to line up a replacement and conduct interviews.

My "personal opinion" is that they are already pretty sure who they want, I don't think we are looking at the length of time it took to appoint the last two managers.


nice easy start for a new man against Gateshead then.
Trouble is he starts his new role in the bottom 3 more than likely but we all have to get behind hopefully the right appointment

Cheers for the info
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 01:26:34 PM
I'm going to make good use of my time today and create a paper yellow bar with Alan Irvine sacked by West Brom  on it then turn on sky sports news and sellotape my yellow bar to the tv giving the illusion the inept clown has gone  :D

On a serious note the decision to sack him has already been made but he wont be officially relieved of his duties until after our next bad performance which will more than likely be against West Ham barring a result that will make him impossible to sack i.e. if we won 3, 4, 5 nil.

This makes sense in a couple of ways, if we did appoint a new manager today he would not have enough time to work with players before the game, also if a new manager came in and we get tonked 3 or 4 at an inform West Ham in his first game it would be a morale sapping first game that may may dilute the effect of having a new manager, thirdly it buys the club time to line up a replacement and conduct interviews.

My "personal opinion" is that they are already pretty sure who they want, I don't think we are looking at the length of time it took to appoint the last two managers.
Any idea what is planned for Downing and Kiely?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 29, 2014, 01:29:36 PM
Any idea what is planned for Downing and Kiely?
Management  :o Sorry couldn't help it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 01:31:20 PM
Management  :o Sorry couldn't help it.
Please excuse me while I throw myself off a bridge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 29, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
Very fair and reasoned article BaggiesFacts. 

But as you say none of us have the knowledge that AI has and nor are any of us as qualified as JP to make that decision, stick or twist I support and back his judgement. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 02:04:50 PM
I'm going to make good use of my time today and create a paper yellow bar with Alan Irvine sacked by West Brom  on it then turn on sky sports news and sellotape my yellow bar to the tv giving the illusion the inept clown has gone  :D

On a serious note the decision to sack him has already been made but he wont be officially relieved of his duties until after our next bad performance which will more than likely be against West Ham barring a result that will make him impossible to sack i.e. if we won 3, 4, 5 nil.

This makes sense in a couple of ways, if we did appoint a new manager today he would not have enough time to work with players before the game, also if a new manager came in and we get tonked 3 or 4 at an inform West Ham in his first game it would be a morale sapping first game that may may dilute the effect of having a new manager, thirdly it buys the club time to line up a replacement and conduct interviews.

My "personal opinion" is that they are already pretty sure who they want, I don't think we are looking at the length of time it took to appoint the last two managers.

It makes sence.

I hope they get it right this time, whoever they chose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
E&S Headline. Lay off my assistants
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 02:23:52 PM
Lay-off my assistants says under-fire Irvine

Under-fire boss Alan Irvine urged Albion fans to lay off his assistants after the crowd turned on Keith Downing and Rob Kelly during yesterday’s defeat at Stoke.

Irvine claimed he should take the criticism for his side’s poor form and revealed his players admitted to “letting staff down” after a seventh defeat in nine games.

Travelling supporters targeted Downing and Kelly with abuse and used the pair’s links with arch-rivals Wolves in chants calling for their departure.

Both men played for Wolves and Baggies fans yesterday sang “You Dingle b******s, get out of our club.”

Downing has served as assistant head coach to Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel, while Kelly arrived at The Hawthorns as joint assistant when Irvine was appointed in the summer.

Irvine said: “I wasn’t aware of it (the chant) but we are all in this together: the players and all the staff.

“The staff are great.

“I’ve said many times about how good the players are to work with, but the staff are great.

“When you hear players say they are letting the staff down – that was something that was mentioned in the dressing room by some of the players – that proves that they are right behind them.

“It’s the kind of reaction I would expect from an honest group of players. They’re extremely disappointed at what’s happened. The players are fully aware of how well the staff work and how hard they work.

“If anybody is to take it then I’m the person that’s standing there. I stand out there and I don’t go and hide.

“I’m there to be shot at but obviously ultimately I make the final decisions and I certainly am happy to be prepared to take the criticism rather than Keith and Rob.”

Irvine, Kelly and Downing were subjected to boos and criticism as they walked past travelling fans at the end of yesterday’s game with the trio staring straight ahead and walking down the tunnel.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/29/lay-off-my-assistants-says-under-fire-irvine/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Lay-off my assistants says under-fire Irvine

Under-fire boss Alan Irvine urged Albion fans to lay off his assistants after the crowd turned on Keith Downing and Rob Kelly during yesterday’s defeat at Stoke.

Irvine claimed he should take the criticism for his side’s poor form and revealed his players admitted to “letting staff down” after a seventh defeat in nine games.

Travelling supporters targeted Downing and Kelly with abuse and used the pair’s links with arch-rivals Wolves in chants calling for their departure.

Both men played for Wolves and Baggies fans yesterday sang “You Dingle b******s, get out of our club.”

Downing has served as assistant head coach to Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel, while Kelly arrived at The Hawthorns as joint assistant when Irvine was appointed in the summer.

Irvine said: “I wasn’t aware of it (the chant) but we are all in this together: the players and all the staff.

“The staff are great.

“I’ve said many times about how good the players are to work with, but the staff are great.

“When you hear players say they are letting the staff down – that was something that was mentioned in the dressing room by some of the players – that proves that they are right behind them.

“It’s the kind of reaction I would expect from an honest group of players. They’re extremely disappointed at what’s happened. The players are fully aware of how well the staff work and how hard they work.

“If anybody is to take it then I’m the person that’s standing there. I stand out there and I don’t go and hide.

“I’m there to be shot at but obviously ultimately I make the final decisions and I certainly am happy to be prepared to take the criticism rather than Keith and Rob.”

Irvine, Kelly and Downing were subjected to boos and criticism as they walked past travelling fans at the end of yesterday’s game with the trio staring straight ahead and walking down the tunnel.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/29/lay-off-my-assistants-says-under-fire-irvine/

Missed out Kiely from that article. Foster and Carson before him went downhill under Kiely. Clear out needed. Get experience in instead of up and coming or never have beens.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 02:29:04 PM
Missed out Kiely from that article. Foster and Carson before him went downhill under Kiely. Clear out needed. Get experience in instead of up and coming or never have beens.

I agree with that.

Foster has not improved since he's been here. If anything it's almost as if he's being told to stay on his line.

Foster was and could still be a very good all round goalkeeper however it seems that he is being coached in such a way which is not allowing him to do certain things.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 02:32:08 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/paulfletcher/2011/02/alan_irvine.html

Sure this has been shared before but history repeating itself......?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Think youll find the fans meant Kiely not Kelly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on December 29, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
Lay-off my assistants says under-fire Irvine

Under-fire boss Alan Irvine urged Albion fans to lay off his assistants after the crowd turned on Keith Downing and Rob Kelly during yesterday’s defeat at Stoke.

Irvine claimed he should take the criticism for his side’s poor form and revealed his players admitted to “letting staff down” after a seventh defeat in nine games.

Travelling supporters targeted Downing and Kelly with abuse and used the pair’s links with arch-rivals Wolves in chants calling for their departure.

Both men played for Wolves and Baggies fans yesterday sang “You Dingle b******s, get out of our club.”

Downing has served as assistant head coach to Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel, while Kelly arrived at The Hawthorns as joint assistant when Irvine was appointed in the summer.

Irvine said: “I wasn’t aware of it (the chant) but we are all in this together: the players and all the staff.

“The staff are great.

“I’ve said many times about how good the players are to work with, but the staff are great.

“When you hear players say they are letting the staff down – that was something that was mentioned in the dressing room by some of the players – that proves that they are right behind them.

“It’s the kind of reaction I would expect from an honest group of players. They’re extremely disappointed at what’s happened. The players are fully aware of how well the staff work and how hard they work.

“If anybody is to take it then I’m the person that’s standing there. I stand out there and I don’t go and hide.

“I’m there to be shot at but obviously ultimately I make the final decisions and I certainly am happy to be prepared to take the criticism rather than Keith and Rob.”

Irvine, Kelly and Downing were subjected to boos and criticism as they walked past travelling fans at the end of yesterday’s game with the trio staring straight ahead and walking down the tunnel.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/29/lay-off-my-assistants-says-under-fire-irvine/
The players and all the staff are great and they are all an honest group of players...so everything is rosey at The Hawthorns then??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2014, 02:43:24 PM
"Irvine, Kelly and Downing were subjected to boos and criticism as they walked past travelling fans at the end of yesterday’s game with the trio staring straight ahead and walking down the tunnel".


Alan Irvine looked down and walked with his hands in his pockets.
Kelly looked totally bewildered by everything.
Downing was not looking straight ahead, he was looking directly at the fans and looked furious.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 02:44:50 PM
Can somebody answer this for me - what does "honest" mean? We hear it all the time. It's just BS if you ask me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
Can somebody answer this for me - what does "honest" mean? We hear it all the time. It's just BS if you ask me.


Like when you tell your mistress you love her :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 29, 2014, 02:47:46 PM

Downing was not looking straight ahead, he was looking directly at the fans and looked furious.

Yep Downing was definitely looking the fans straight in the eye with a look of 'f*** you' on his face
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 02:49:30 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/paulfletcher/2011/02/alan_irvine.html

Sure this has been shared before but history repeating itself......?
reading the fans comments about Irvine on that article mirrors what most would think about his tenure here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on December 29, 2014, 02:59:17 PM
Can somebody answer this for me - what does "honest" mean? We hear it all the time. It's just BS if you ask me.
A lot of industries these days like to employ people with good non-technical skills, this is why the 'great and honest' phrases keep on cropping up.

Yes it is good to have people who are pleasant to work with and are honest, puctual and all the rest of it. But at the end of the day you also have to be good at your job (have the technical skills).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
Can somebody answer this for me - what does "honest" mean? We hear it all the time. It's just BS if you ask me.
If Irvine was honest he would admit that the jobs above him, not his fault, you're either good enough or you aint.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
His level is league One.
Perhaps that is where Peace sees us?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
If Irvine was honest he would admit that the jobs above him, not his fault, you're either good enough or you aint.

The thing is though if you ask AI, he believes he is good enough for the job.

Its all down to individual errors and sometimes not getting the luck. Not down to not being good enough.

He highlights the 15-20 minutes we play well but fails to talk about the other 70 minutes were we dont create anything.

Its the same excuses each week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 03:13:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/paulfletcher/2011/02/alan_irvine.html

Sure this has been shared before but history repeating itself......?

Just thought i'd share one particular post which does sound familiar.

Quote
2.At 15:01 3rd Feb 2011, AndyParsons wrote:

I was at Orient and we were dire, completely capitulated after going one-nil down. We have conceded 17 goals in 5 straight away defeats which, at just under 3.5 a game, points out relegation form. We have on paper the best squad in the league but the players need a kick up the back side. Irvine couldn't do that but hopefully someone else can. It's a shame as he was a nice bloke but his team selections recently were one of a man who was clearly under pressure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 03:14:19 PM
His level is league One.
Perhaps that is where Peace sees us?

Is it though? AI struggled in League One aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 03:15:38 PM
His level is league One.
Perhaps that is where Peace sees us?
Even then he was sacked in League One for a terrible run of form strikingly similar to our own. Amazing that a Premier League club appointed him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
Just thought i'd share one particular post which does sound familiar.

That post you copied, was from 2011, so its clear to see Irvine, despite constantly saying hes learnt from his errors in the past etc, clearly hasnt as you could pretty much write that post again for the majority of our matches this season.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 03:18:01 PM
Even then he was sacked in League One for a terrible run of form strikingly similar to our own. Amazing that a Premier League club appointed him.

I know its irrelevant, but does anyone know how the Everton youth team were getting on results wise when he was there?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 03:18:13 PM
Even then he was sacked in League One for a terrible run of form strikingly similar to our own. Amazing that a Premier League club appointed him.

It's still difficult to comprehend even six months later.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 29, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
We are in freefall mode now and need a complete Coaching Clear Out. I am convinced that JP knows this and is already well under the way to enforcing  Plan B.

He will keep the muppets until after the West Ham , then get rid. Temporary team to look after Gateshead then new team in place very soon after.........now that would be a great belated Christmas present!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 03:45:40 PM
It's still difficult to comprehend even six months later.
Its the one and only question I would love to ask jp. what did you see on his cv to appoint him as head coach at the albion. he's undoubtedly had small spells of success at both preston and sheff wed but equally if not more so had poor spells and long losing streaks that he's never managed to stop. what qualified him to head coach of a premiership club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 03:56:44 PM
Ai gives great presentations apparently - seriously !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 29, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Lay-off my assistants says under-fire Irvine

Under-fire boss Alan Irvine urged Albion fans to lay off his assistants after the crowd turned on Keith Downing and Rob Kelly during yesterday’s defeat at Stoke.

Irvine claimed he should take the criticism for his side’s poor form and revealed his players admitted to “letting staff down” after a seventh defeat in nine games.

Travelling supporters targeted Downing and Kelly with abuse and used the pair’s links with arch-rivals Wolves in chants calling for their departure.

Both men played for Wolves and Baggies fans yesterday sang “You Dingle b******s, get out of our club.”

Downing has served as assistant head coach to Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel, while Kelly arrived at The Hawthorns as joint assistant when Irvine was appointed in the summer.

Irvine said: “I wasn’t aware of it (the chant) but we are all in this together: the players and all the staff.

“The staff are great.

“I’ve said many times about how good the players are to work with, but the staff are great.

“When you hear players say they are letting the staff down – that was something that was mentioned in the dressing room by some of the players – that proves that they are right behind them.

“It’s the kind of reaction I would expect from an honest group of players. They’re extremely disappointed at what’s happened. The players are fully aware of how well the staff work and how hard they work.

“If anybody is to take it then I’m the person that’s standing there. I stand out there and I don’t go and hide.

“I’m there to be shot at but obviously ultimately I make the final decisions and I certainly am happy to be prepared to take the criticism rather than Keith and Rob.”

Irvine, Kelly and Downing were subjected to boos and criticism as they walked past travelling fans at the end of yesterday’s game with the trio staring straight ahead and walking down the tunnel.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/29/lay-off-my-assistants-says-under-fire-irvine/

This is what I'm really struggling with. All we hear is how the players love playing for Irvine and the rest of the coaching staff, how great they are in training etc. Yet when it comes to game time, as soon as we go a goal down, they seem to lose all fight or desire, the heads all go down and we rarely look like getting back into a game.

You'd have thought if they were all as desperate as they say they are for Irvine to be successful that they'd be running through brick walls for him, not bottling it as soon as they go a goal down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boult on December 29, 2014, 04:18:29 PM
 Sky sports reporting AI stays in charge for west Ham game is this a joke or 3 more points down the drain looks like the chairman has settled for a mid championship team
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
Not surprising, he's loved behind the scenes and by the players. By picking such a random head coach it also looks extremely poor on peace and Burton so they won't want to admit they're wrong. A loss at west ham will presumably force their hand but a draw will save him for now.

Unlike Mel, and Clarke, everyone responsible for Irvine is still at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
Sky sports reporting AI stays in charge for west Ham game is this a joke or 3 more points down the drain looks like the chairman has settled for a mid championship team



Old news, I broke that at seven this morning but you are right, it's the worst thing possible because we get another irvine performance and no points
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 29, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
Im sure most of you will be delighted when Alan Irvine is sacked.............and Dingle Keith gets the reigns until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 29, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Hope he can turn it around starting at West Ham, still think he deserves a few more games as we're still out the relegation zone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
Hope he can turn it around starting at West Ham, still think he deserves a few more games as we're still out the relegation zone.

The iceberg is rapidly approaching and we're fast running out of time to steer away from it. With AI we're heading straight towards it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
Hope he can turn it around starting at West Ham, still think he deserves a few more games as we're still out the relegation zone.
I understand that if this happens, your pride will be restored Jeremy, but it's a forlorn hope I'm afraid
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 05:05:47 PM
Im sure most of you will be delighted when Alan Irvine is sacked.............and Dingle Keith gets the reigns until the end of the season.
...except that isn't the choice, is it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 05:06:44 PM
Hope he can turn it around starting at West Ham, still think he deserves a few more games as we're still out the relegation zone.
Every game that goes by we are losing opportunities to acquire points and relegation becomes ever closer
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
Im sure most of you will be delighted when Alan Irvine is sacked.............and Dingle Keith gets the reigns until the end of the season.

I will be delighted but also totally drunk off that it came to this when all issues at the club should have been addressed in the Summer including Downing and Kiely being moved on to allow a whole new set up to come in and have a full pre-season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 29, 2014, 05:47:27 PM
Im sure most of you will be delighted when Alan Irvine is sacked.............and Dingle Keith gets the reigns until the end of the season.

I don't know what has gave you the impression that is what's going to happen. I seriously doubt that would happen given the way the fans feel towards downing and kiely. Peace isn't stupid I think Downing will get the gateshead game but that will be it. From what Baggie79 has said it seems the club have already decided Irvine is going at the next defeat (which will more then be West Ham) surely the two stand out candidates are Pulis and Sherwood. If Downing was to get the job either until the end of the season or permanently not only would we be relegated but Peace would have a riot on his hands and he knows that I'm sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boot2006 on December 29, 2014, 06:02:14 PM
Tim Sherwood would be a disaster for the Albion.  His character and personality won't work with the current set up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 06:05:52 PM
It's inevitable Irvine will go, what concerns me more is who JP is going to select next, my trust in the man is completely shot.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 29, 2014, 06:15:17 PM
I think if you read between the lines the club do not want to sack Irvine but fans negativity will mean he is sacked.

So I cannot see Downing being considered for the job this time around given hes recieved the same amount of flack.

It really is a mess and as Oldburywba says could have been avoided if Peace had grown a pair in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on December 29, 2014, 06:18:52 PM
Can we post about potential new managers on this thread please.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.msg344860;topicseen#msg344860
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronny boy on December 29, 2014, 07:07:59 PM
I think if you read between the lines the club do not want to sack Irvine but fans negativity will mean he is sacked.

So I cannot see Downing being considered for the job this time around given hes recieved the same amount of flack.

It really is a mess and as Oldburywba says could have been avoided if Peace had grown a pair in the summer.


I truly think that, after yet another inept performance from Irvine yesterday, JP has made the decision already and the reason Irvine hasn't gone yet is above in bold. JP won't put Downing or Kiely in charge, for even one game, as i think their time is up aswell.

I'm hoping for an experienced man, who's tactically aware, can get his point across, can affect a game with subs and gives every player a chance. That includes the current untouchables, bench warmers & summer signings. This squad needs galvanizing and I'm certain there's a decent team in there somewhere. We just need the right man to mold it and it ain't Irvine. 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
Thing is whoever comes in the players will start with a clean slate and that should be the case with the fans too.

Need to make sure that if the new man feels a certain player is right for that particular game that we don't jump down his throat at the first opportunity.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on December 29, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
Thing is whoever comes in the players will start with a clean slate and that should be the case with the fans too.

Need to make sure that if the new man feels a certain player is right for that particular game that we don't jump down his throat at the first opportunity.
WHY -we didn't do that with AI?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 07:17:01 PM
WHY -we didn't do that with AI?

I think certain sections of fans have to be fair. Maybe not on here but certainly there have been a few who will criticise players at the first chance they get.

Pulis 8/11 just saying!!

Not sure how to read that especially as Irvine is still in charge  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 07:53:23 PM
As requested please leave talk about possible replacements in the other topic

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.msg344860;topicseen#msg344860

Any more will be deleted not moved
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 08:01:59 PM
I feel a bit for AI. We all know he is on his way out and now it seems the club are lining up his replacement while he is still here. A bit like the Hughes/Mancini saga a few years back at Man City.

Still want him gone mind  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 29, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
I feel a bit for AI. We all know he is on his way out and now it seems the club are lining up his replacement while he is still here. A bit like the Hughes/Mancini saga a few years back at Man City.

Still want him gone mind  :P

Might surprise a lot of you but I feel for AI too. He genuinely seems like a nice guy.

To me though that's the problem. I think we need someone who will throw a grenade into the changing room...

(As an aside, when did we start calling it the dressing room FFS? That tells you what's wrong with our bloody national game....)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
Board meeting today wouldn't supprise me. Irvine is deluded , he thinks he can save us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:39 PM
I couldn't give a monkeys about AI - he has got us half way to relegation which could ruin us, it's just not good enough. He has harmed the club with his decisions and lack of results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on December 29, 2014, 08:44:47 PM
Might surprise a lot of you but I feel for AI too. He genuinely seems like a nice guy.

To me though that's the problem. I think we need someone who will throw a grenade into the changing room...

(As an aside, when did we start calling it the dressing room FFS? That tells you what's wrong with our bloody national game....)
I don't feel for him. Does he feel for the fans that travel all over the country and spend £1,000's in the meantime. Then on their way to the ground hear the negative team news and think we shouldn't of bothered, but they do exacally the same a fortnight later.

West Brom have made him a very wealthy man and he will be paid 12 months money as he's on a rolling contract. At his age he will never have to work again if he chooses not to. I would love to be in his position and I wouldn't want anyone feeling for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 29, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
I don't feel for him. Does he feel for the fans that travel all over the country and spend £1,000's in the meantime. Then on their way to the ground hear the negative team news and think we shouldn't of bothered, but they do exacally the same a fortnight later.

West Brom have made him a very wealthy man and he will be paid 12 months money as he's on a rolling contract. At his age he will never have to work again if he chooses not to. I would love to be in his position and I wouldn't want anyone feeling for me.

Spot on ian66. He took the job on knowing that the pressure would be on him if he failed, which again the majority of Albion supporters knew that he would. He could and should have stayed at Everton with a job for life and coached the youth team. The job here was always going to be too big for him and he accepted it, so no I do not feel sorry for him, getting 12 months payment for being a failure.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:19:32 PM
its got to be hard for a working man to feel sorry for anyone involved in premier league losing their job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Hope he can turn it around starting at West Ham, still think he deserves a few more games as we're still out the relegation zone.

You are obviously in a very small minority and I respect your view. Although I accept that it is not solely Irvines' fault would you back another head coach with a similar record including having the decline in results with previous clubs at a lower league level that Irvine had?

What I find intriguing is that the club appear to be giving him one more game in charge. If this is how it turns out then I find it difficult to see how Irvine would accept his subsequent sacking in this scenario and just maybe an amicable arrangement has been made to retain his services in a role similar to that at Everton, This could be face saving for both JP and Irvine. This then naturally leads to what will happen to Downing and Kiely.

All speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:29:09 PM
Apparently been sacked..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_1 on December 29, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
He's gone!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 29, 2014, 10:30:07 PM
Sacked according to telegraph
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 29, 2014, 10:30:38 PM
Gone! Yipee.... Call Derek McInnes now....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
 John Percy @John__Percy  ·  4m 4 minutes ago

#wba sack Alan Irvine and line up Tim Sherwood as first choice to replace him via @Telegraph http://fw.to/cGICGWE
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 29, 2014, 10:33:17 PM
I've heard this aswell
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:33:50 PM
You are obviously in a very small minority and I respect your view. Although I accept that it is not solely Irvines' fault would you back another head coach with a similar record including having the decline in results with previous clubs at a lower league level that Irvine had?

What I find intriguing is that the club appear to be giving him one more game in charge. If this is how it turns out then I find it difficult to see how Irvine would accept his subsequent sacking in this scenario and just maybe an amicable arrangement has been made to retain his services in a role similar to that at Everton, This could be face saving for both JP and Irvine. This then naturally leads to what will happen to Downing and Kiely.

All speculation on my part.

Subsequent posts obviously rule out my speculation then ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 10:36:24 PM
Weird how it's not everywhere, bit even sky sports news and why hasn't the site gone down?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 10:38:32 PM
Yes it looks like we might enjoy our new year after all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 29, 2014, 10:38:58 PM
Goodluck AI in your future career. Bad appointment all round, bad for the club and AI.

Peace has to learn from this!!!

No to get rid of the other coaches and appoint an experienced manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
Has he been 100% confirmed as gone?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2014, 10:39:50 PM
If it's true regarding the sacking then it's about time , i won't be celebrating too much as Irvine came over as a decent bloke who tried hard but was clearly out of his depth . My anger is for JP and Burton , Irvine was a gamble that shouldn't have been taken given the mess we were / are in , at the very least it should have been dealt with a month or so ago .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 10:39:59 PM
Weird how it's not everywhere, bit even sky sports news and why hasn't the site gone down?!

Hopefully because we've fixed the gremlins
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 29, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
Have to say that I am thrilled he's gone but do wish him all the best - he probably would have been an excellent technical Director.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
Was never going to work out. Hearing pulis and sherwood are both keen and want deal done quick so was in clubs interest to sack him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:41:45 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvine-8359137

Albion have called time on head coach Alan Irvine

West Bromwich Albion tonight dismissed Head Coach Alan Irvine after just over six months in charge.

The 55-year-old agreed a 12-month rolling contract after moving from  Everton’s academy on June 14.

He fitted the Albion model, arriving a month after Albion had appointed former Arsenal youth chief Terry Burton as technical director.

Irvine oversaw the signings of all the senior players brought in other than Craig Gardner, who had agreed to his contract in May.

Whilst remaining popular with the players he never quite won over the supporters and Saturday’s 2-0 defeat at Stoke City proved to be the final straw for chairman Jeremy Peace.

Look: Check out our photo gallery of Alan Irvine's brief time in charge

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino (R) as West Brom manager Alan Irvine celebrates VIEW GALLERY
 

Albion’s squad - almost to a man - have spoken of their admiration for Irvine with Joleon Lescott, Gardner, Chris Brunt, Gareth McAuley and Ben Foster particularly vocal in his defence.

But plain statistics do not lie.

Albion lie 16th in the Premier League having taken just 17 points from Irvine’s 19 games in charge. They are a point shy of this stage last season when they stayed up by the skin of their teeth.

Irvine only oversaw two home wins at The Hawthorns - the 4-0 routing of Burnley and 1-0 success over Villa.

And seven defeats in nine games is exactly the type of run that saw the back of Steve Clarke and before him Roberto di Matteo.

Tim Sherwood is already an odds-on favourite to succeed Irvine having narrowly lost out to the Scot in the summer.

Alan Irvine is unveiled as the new West Browich Head Coach at the Hawthorns Alan Irvine is unveiled as the new West Browich Head Coach at the Hawthorns
 

Sherwood actually believed he had got the job for a time after he had lost his post at Spurs only for the club to perform a dramatic last-minute U-turn.

But their has also been huge backing in the bookies for former Stoke and Crystal Palace boss Tony Pulis.

Sherwood should have no problem working to Albion’s continental style but Pulis is ‘old school’ and may not be attracted to being told who to sign by Burton recruitment department and who will be sold.

As ever Peace will want to scour the entire market before making a decision but with West Ham on New Year’s Day and Gateshead in the FA Cup on Saturday he has to move quickly.

Not least because the January transfer window is open for business on Thursday and Albion need to focus their energies on that.

Albion may not be the force they once were but a Head Coach’s position in the Premier League will still prove attractive to many candidates both at home and abroad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:42:15 PM
Nothing on official site and nothing on sky sports news.

More importantly has Downing gone?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 10:42:42 PM
Hopefully because we've fixed the gremlins

Glad to hear! I wasn't sure whether to say that as I didn't want to offend anybody!

I see the article says Rob Kelly and Keith Downing will take charge....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 10:43:07 PM
Can we get a manager in now please JP..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 10:43:30 PM
HALLELUJAH
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:44:29 PM
Let us hope the rest of them follow him out of the door; the prospect of KD in charge for a couple of games is daunting to say the least
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 10:44:45 PM
Just imagine if we didn't have that one lucky week where we won 3! :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 10:44:49 PM
not his fault, never should have been employed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 10:45:02 PM
Was never going to work out. Hearing pulis and sherwood are both keen and want deal done quick so was in clubs interest to sack him.

I may be wrong BUT. I think it's illegal to interview for a job that somebody is currently in. So maybe they put the feelers out and know what's what and are looking to officially sort it out over the next few days, because 10.30 pm is a strnge time to announce the news.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 29, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
I thought lessons had been learnt JP?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
I may be wrong BUT. I think it's illegal to interview for a job that somebody is currently in. So maybe they put the feelers out and know what's what and are looking to officially sort it out over the next few days, because 10.30 pm is a strnge time to announce the news.

No interview yet but they 100% have spoke and did do before the villa game too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 29, 2014, 10:47:39 PM
Let us hope the rest of them follow him out of the door; the prospect of KD in charge for a couple of games is daunting to say the least

Don't shoot the messenger but Downing lives near me and apparently has told people today he is leaving.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 29, 2014, 10:48:38 PM
nowt on Sky yet either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 10:48:42 PM
We have had two nice guys in this post recently - Mel and Irvine. It's time now for a barsteward. Sherwood fits that bill and I think the bookies have probably got it right this time and made him a long odds on favourite. We need a shake up and Sherwood, hopefully with his own backroom staff, will do just that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 29, 2014, 10:48:49 PM
Just read on the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11316859/West-Brom-sack-Alan-Irvine-and-line-up-Tim-Sherwood-as-first-choice-to-replace-him.html

So happy he's gone!  :P

Should never have been employed. Hopefully JP has learned his lesson and will pay the going rate for a decent manager now. Let's also hope that AI isn't alone in receiving his p45.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 10:49:24 PM
I am dancing naked in the streets of exeter. Any West Ham tickets left :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on December 29, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Don't shoot the messenger but Downing lives near me and apparently has told people today he is leaving.

i would never shoot that messenger!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:50:00 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-irvine-brink-west-brom-4890803

Background staff on the way also according to The Mirror.

Peace is ready to part with Albion’s existing backroom staff of Keith Downing and Dean Kiely, who stayed on when Pepe Mel left in May.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boot2006 on December 29, 2014, 10:50:26 PM
It hasn't worked out with AI so something was going to have to give.  A surprise choice in the first place, one which I doubted would work but on the other hand I wanted it to work because AI is such a good and decent bloke.  All the best to AI in the future.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on December 29, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
According to Sky Sports the club are refusing to comment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:51:41 PM
Sky sports news just reported it and said Albion have refused to confirm reports.

Strange time of night and strange circumstances, someone must be lined up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
good luck alan, sure there is a job for you out there.

so, the king is dead, long live the king !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 29, 2014, 10:52:37 PM
Sky say West Brom refusing to comment on reports...maybe some sort of leak? Hope Irvine was told in advance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2014, 10:53:29 PM
Lets face it it was never going to work. I wanted Irvine to succeed and become a success unfortunately it didn't work out however we still beat the Villa. Irvine was just one of a number of people as to why this hasn't worked JP stayed he learnt from his mistakes when quite possibly appointing Irvine was the biggest one he has made. A number of players haven't done it for him either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
Don't shoot the messenger but Downing lives near me and apparently has told people today he is leaving.
*Prays*
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:54:06 PM
I hope someone ran it past brunt first  ;D

Seriously it would be just our luck the club will make a massive u-turn now just to wind us up  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 29, 2014, 10:54:36 PM
It is strange that the announcement has leaked out so late-on. I wonder if they have for once got a replacement ready.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 10:54:48 PM
And I wanted an early night lol
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
I hope someone ran it past brunt first  ;D

Seriously it would be just our luck the club will make a massive u-turn now just to wind us up  :P

Irvine out, Dave Jones in :D.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:55:12 PM
It is strange that the announcement has leaked out so late-on. I wonder if they have for once got a replacement ready.

Maybe, you never know. It is strange.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 29, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
I am dancing naked in the streets of exeter. Any West Ham tickets left :)
It's too cold mate, lets see you do at the Gateshead match on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 10:56:26 PM
Not liking the refusal of confirmation by the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronny boy on December 29, 2014, 10:56:42 PM
yellow ticker tape now on sky sports news  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:57:18 PM
Irvine out, Dave Jones in :D.

Don't you dare!  :o

 :D

Need to wait for an official statement now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 10:58:05 PM
It's too cold mate, lets see you do at the Gateshead match on the pitch.


You are on kev
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
nowt on the o/s, but we all know how quickly thats updated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on December 29, 2014, 10:59:19 PM
Unless Downing and Kiely go, this will make no difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
Unless Downing and Kiely go, this will make no difference.

They are going.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 10:59:45 PM
Weren't expecting it too happen tonight.

I'll only be happy if Kiely and Downing follow suit.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 29, 2014, 11:01:03 PM

You are on kev
I will even give you my leg to wave about.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:01:09 PM
Thank f**k for that. Absolutely diabolical appointment of an utterly useless man. Good riddance Father Ted, we've wasted 6 months. Get rid of the other 3 then get Tony Pulis and sort this club out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
Tim sherwood will be our new head with his own people. Bye bye Downing and co too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:03:14 PM
There'll be no celebration for me. He's a good man, and I'd never wish a good man to be sacked. It was just necessary for the success of our club, which is more important. I'd like to wish him good luck in the future.

I'll only be satisfied once I hear that Downing and Kiely have been sacked. Otherwise sacking Irvine is a pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:03:41 PM
I'd be happy with either Sherwood or Pulis. Would probably take Pulis more due to his premier league experience.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
We'll only know whether the others are still there when the official site is updated at some point in 2015.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
Thank f**k for that. Absolutely diabolical appointment of an utterly useless man. Good riddance Father Ted, we've wasted 6 months. Get rid of the other 3 then get Tony Pulis and sort this club out.
Welcome back  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:04:31 PM
I wonder if this will mark Jack Russell's return to the site?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 29, 2014, 11:04:50 PM
Confirmed by Sky and many other news outlets.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on December 29, 2014, 11:05:02 PM
Sad for Irvine, by all accounts worked very hard under different circumstances. Has he done any worse than Clarke or Pepe? We need the backroom clearout and something to rejuvenate us. Peace needs to make the right appointment now and give them January funds. No 6 weeks of interviewing nonsense.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:05:14 PM
I wonder if Newcastle losing Pardew has forced Peace's hand?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:05:40 PM
There'll be no celebration for me. He's a good man, and I'd never wish a good man to be sacked. It was just necessary for the success of a club, which is more important. I'd like to wish him good luck in the future.

I'll only be satisfied once I hear that Downing and Kiely have been sacked. Otherwise sacking Irvine is a pointless exercise.

100% correct mate I agree.

I don't wish him bad in his next move however he was out of his depth here. Can't blame him for taking it on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
Absolutely understand the 'he's a nice guy' comments.

He is. Always came across well in early interviews.

However, wrong man at the wrong time. Burton and Peace made a mess of this.

Fully expect a quick turn-around on this with a new man in place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 29, 2014, 11:06:55 PM
We'll only know whether the others are still there when the official site is updated at some point in 2015.

As I said earlier this evening Downing was telling people he was leaving.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2014, 11:07:13 PM
There'll be no celebration for me. He's a good man, and I'd never wish a good man to be sacked. It was just necessary for the success of a club, which is more important. I'd like to wish him good luck in the future.

I'll only be satisfied once I hear that Downing and Kiely have been sacked. Otherwise sacking Irvine is a pointless exercise.

Pretty much my thoughts ....He couldn't survive after yesterday and little hope of turning things around.
As you say, limited impact if the background staff stay again.
The anger at Stoke at Downing will make things very uncomfortable if he's in charge for West Ham. ... The fans have seen through the mess that is our coaching set up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:07:26 PM
I wonder if this will mark Jack Russell's return to the site?!


I understand he's in talks from what I heard. He's currently butler to Pepe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
And I wanted an early night lol
have you put your clothes back on, I can hear you laughing up here in north wales.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
I wonder if Newcastle losing Pardew has forced Peace's hand?

I suspect it probably has.

Rumours of Bruce going to Newcastle would mean hull would be looking and suspect Pulis/sherwood would be looked at.

interesting that is for sure
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 29, 2014, 11:08:50 PM

I understand he's in talks from what I heard. He's currently butler to Pepe

He will have to keep that role unfortunately
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
I suspect it probably has.

Rumours of Bruce going to Newcastle would mean hull would be looking and suspect Pulis/sherwood would be looked at.

interesting that is for sure

This is a bit bizarre..

Fabricio Coloccini set for Newcastle United job

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fabricio-coloccini-set-for-newcastle-united-job-9949277.html
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
Thank f**k for that. Absolutely diabolical appointment of an utterly useless man. Good riddance Father Ted, we've wasted 6 months. Get rid of the other 3 then get Tony Pulis and sort this club out.
hope you've come out of retirement jacko.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:12:03 PM
Jamie Carragher,
"i'd expect them to stay up now" strange comment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:12:26 PM
I wonder if Newcastle losing Pardew has forced Peace's hand?
has pardew left Newcastle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 11:12:34 PM
Lets have someone we can all get behind.
I don't know about you but i have hated the last 18 months, the argueing in the ground amongst ourselves was getting worse,
Ets hope this is a turning point.
I have got my season ticket out of ghe bin where i chucked it saturday ,lol


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 29, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
People seem to be forgetting, that if we take on Pulis, it will not be a permanent job. He would be brought in the help us avoid relegation and would then leave. He and JP think along totally different wave lengths.

I even think Sherwood would be the same. The only person I can see settling for the Albion way is someone like Hughton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 29, 2014, 11:13:34 PM
Come on lads show some respect please, he as gone and that is what many wanted so no need for such nasty remarks against him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wappingbaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
Thank God its over. At least JP didnt get stubborn and persist with his bizarre choice.

From the minute this astonishing appointment was made it was only ever going to end one way, this hopelessly ill-equipped man being quickly revealed as totally out of his depth and out before Xmas.

It shows how low we have sunk that most of us are PRAYING that Pulis gets the job...pre S Clarke's appointment there were posters saying that they would burn their ST if TP was appointed.

A lot of people have said AI was basically a decent man, maybe correct but I didnt appreciate the way he distanced himself from the Brown Ideye signing right from the outset.



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:50 PM
Come on lads show some respect please, he as gone and that is what many wanted so no need for such nasty remarks against him.

He hasn't earned my respect. He's be well paid for what he's (not) done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:16:11 PM
Jamie Carragher,
"i'd expect them to stay up now" strange comment
was he on about us.
been on here all day and fell asleep at 10, woke up and its gone ballistic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Come on lads show some respect please, he as gone and that is what many wanted so no need for such nasty remarks against him.

I can't say I've seen any nasty remarks. Just sheer relief that a man totally out of his depth at this level has departed our club.

I do wish him the best though, from the sounds of it he is a good COACH. Nothing against the guy personally at all, he just should never have been given the job in the first place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 11:16:48 PM
I wish him all the best i really do and if he wants any help counting his money i will give him a hand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on December 29, 2014, 11:17:23 PM
There'll be no celebration for me. He's a good man, and I'd never wish a good man to be sacked. It was just necessary for the success of our club, which is more important. I'd like to wish him good luck in the future.

I'll only be satisfied once I hear that Downing and Kiely have been sacked. Otherwise sacking Irvine is a pointless exercise.

Spot on. A bad decision led to a disastrous time for everyone - including Irvine. A complete clear out feels like the best thing to do. For me we go for Sherwood.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
was he on about us.
been on here all day and fell asleep at 10, woke up and its gone ballistic.

Yeah we were getting slated and he said basically that Jp has a history of sacking people at the right time and fully expects us to stop up now as a result.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
I can't say I've seen any nasty remarks. Just sheer relief that a man totally out of his depth at this level has departed our club.

I do wish him the best though, from the sounds of it he is a good COACH. Nothing against the guy personally at all, he just should never have been given the job in the first place.

Hear hear.  Wasn't his fault that he got approached.  Was never a job for a novice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:19:28 PM
My seat is no longer available . Sorry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
I can't say I've seen any nasty remarks. Just sheer relief that a man totally out of his depth at this level has departed our club.

I do wish him the best though, from the sounds of it he is a good COACH. Nothing against the guy personally at all, he just should never have been given the job in the first place.

I agree.

We're now after our fourth head coach in just over a year.

An appalling indictment of our boards decision making.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
Not a good night if your are called Alan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sturb74 on December 29, 2014, 11:20:53 PM
I didn't want him from the very beginning but gave him as much support as was possible, but this got harder and harder as time went  on, so lets hope our Chairman has a good plan for our club because no names on here fill me with any confidence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:22:06 PM
was he on about us.
been on here all day and fell asleep at 10, woke up and its gone ballistic.
yes, in one breath "felt sorry for AI", then "think they will stay up now".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: philwba1 on December 29, 2014, 11:22:23 PM
Now this poor episode in the clubs history is over we all need to get behind the team and new manager/coach and show them support to keep us in this league
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sturb74 on December 29, 2014, 11:22:34 PM
What is really poor from the club again though is no official statement from the club yet???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2014, 11:23:11 PM
I think as fans we have been pretty supportive of Irvine, there will come a time when enough is enough and the fans will vent their anger like yesterday for instance. Its the right decision but I want to see us get the right man and for him to be given time now.

Gary Neville said Irvine would get us out of this bad run and keep us up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
Where there was none, now I have hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MulumbuPower! on December 29, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
What a sad state of affairs. Good luck to Alan for whatever his next endeavour might be. Never nice to lose you job, especially this time of year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 11:24:23 PM
Never wanted him from the start and the right decision has been made tonight.

Just spare a thought for AI and how he has had to go home and tell his family he has been sacked. Not nice for anyone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
I agree.

We're now after our fourth head coach in just over a year.

An appalling indictment of our boards decision making.

spot on mate, a complete waste of money and time, divided supporters like i have never known.
So shambolic its a joke, how we are still in the prem god only knows we must learn from this







Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 29, 2014, 11:25:29 PM
bloody pathetic as usual...its not just him...get rid of the dross in our coaching staff, clear them out...please or its business as usall
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 11:27:31 PM
What is really poor from the club again though is no official statement from the club yet???

The due diligence process has begun, clearly  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 11:29:30 PM
I think we'll have a new manager and background staff in situ in time for the West Ham game. JP won't make the same mistake again by dallying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:30:03 PM
Be interesting to see what happens with Downing and Kiely..

The fans anger won't stop just yet after the sacking of Irvine.

There's two more which need to follow suit..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 29, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
Mixed reports about the coaching staff. Whether Sherwood would now come if the coaches went is debatable. Pulis would be the best to keep us up but judging by comments he has made on Sky he would not get involved with the current set-up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
spot on mate, a complete waste of money and time, divided supporters like i have never known.
So shambolic its a joke, how we are still in the prem god only knows we must learn from this
lots of bridges to be built by the club now and get fans back onside and unite, please not another stupid appointment jp because this one is a colossal decision that's got to be 1000 % correct.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:31:39 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/29/west-bromwich-albion-sack-boss-alan-irvine/

The Baggies informed Irvine this evening that he would be relieved of his duties and were set to issue a statement confirming his departure.
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The decision comes following fierce criticism from fans in recent games after a poor start to the Premier League season.

Irvine’s successor will be the club’s fourth first-team boss in just over a year after Steve Clarke was sacked in December 2013 to be followed by Spaniard Pepe Mel and then Irvine.

Assistant head coaches Keith Downing and Rob Kelly are expected to be placed in caretaker charge but the club hope to appoint a permanent replacement for Irvine in the next few days with former Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood emerging as the early favourite.

Ex-Stoke City and Crystal Palace chief Tony Pulis is also thought to be a contender.

Irvine was the surprise choice to replace Mel in the summer following the Spaniard’s dismissal at the end of last season.

But fans immediately reacted with fury to the appointment due to Irvine’s mediocre record in his two previous managerial jobs with Preston North End and Sheffield Wednesday.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 29, 2014, 11:31:46 PM
Be interesting to see what happens with Downing and Kiely..

The fans anger won't stop just yet after the sacking of Irvine.

There's two more which need to follow suit..

Spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:32:34 PM
I've got a feeling the new boss is pretty much in place, will watch us play against West Ham and will be in charge for Gateshead, should be a comfortable first game, few more fans in for an expected low gate, good performance and a good start to the new guys reign here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:33:09 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 2m2 minutes ago

As I understand it Irvine's departure is merely a formality now. Legal details are being ironed out before anything is confirmed. #wba
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 29, 2014, 11:33:22 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-head-coach-2172359.aspx

Official
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 29, 2014, 11:33:47 PM
Downing stays!!! FFS.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 2m2 minutes ago

As I understand it Irvine's departure is merely a formality now. Legal details are being ironed out before anything is confirmed. #wba


Garlick finally some use.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 2m2 minutes ago

As I understand it Irvine's departure is merely a formality now. Legal details are being ironed out before anything is confirmed. #wba


makes sense
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:34:35 PM
Downing stays!!! FFS.

They will go too, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:34:52 PM
Confirmed

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-head-coach-2172359.aspx#FKJKJk8itkv8S7pI.99http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-head-coach-2172359.aspx

Decision taken with "regret but necessity" says the club
WEST Bromwich Albion tonight announce the departure of Alan Irvine as the club’s Head Coach.

Irvine leaves the club with immediate effect and has been placed on gardening leave.

Assistant Head Coach Rob Kelly, with the assistance of Keith Downing, will take charge of the team for the New Year’s Day game at West Ham. Albion expect to be able to name Irvine’s successor by the weekend.

Albion’s Technical Director Terry Burton said parting company with Irvine had been a matter of “regret but necessity” because of the team’s continuing poor results.

Albion have won only one and lost seven of their last nine Premier League games and enjoyed only four League victories all season. They currently lie 16th in the table, one point clear of the relegation zone.

Burton said: “We appointed Alan in the summer convinced that we had taken on one of the foremost coaches in the UK and nothing that has happened since then has altered our view.

“The individual progress of our players such as Craig Dawson and Saido Berahino are testament to that.

“But sadly that simply has not translated into results and they remain the ultimate currency of Alan’s position.

“Securing a sixth season in the Premier League is the over-riding target and sometimes unpleasant decisions have to be taken to serve that imperative.

“Alan has impressed everyone with his manner, dedication and diligence but he knows that results have simply not been good enough.

“We place on record our gratitude for his efforts and hold nothing but good wishes for his future endeavours. This was a decision taken with regret but sadly driven by necessity.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-irvine-head-coach-2172359.aspx#ggggFQLVPGsXrTgK.99
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gazberg on December 29, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
Hopefully only very temporarily
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2014, 11:36:40 PM
Downing stays!!! FFS.

For now. Early reports are of Sherwood as the replacement. Peace said in the summer he would have sacked Downing/Kiely for Sherwood's backroom staff if he appointed him. In other words, they aren't as safe as you may think.

Funnily enough Downing was in charge of West Ham away last year (3-3) around this time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
Irvine 20 games
Mel 17 games
Clarke 60 games

Sad reflection of boards decision making really
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on December 29, 2014, 11:37:04 PM
Pulis on an 18month deal is what I'm hearing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:37:17 PM
They will go too, I have no doubt.




Totally agree
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 11:37:48 PM
It says in the statement that they hope to name a successor by the weekend.

Someone is lined up, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 11:38:30 PM
I hope that whoever is appointed will have the financial clout to re-vamp the squad. Many of this season's regulars were part of the set us that almost got us relegated last season. It's time to say thank you and goodbye to the likes of Dorrans, Morrison, Baird, Olsson, Samaras and even Anichebe. We may have to opt mainly for loans, but there are plenty of good quality players available in the UK and Europe who are in the last year of their existing contracts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:39:03 PM
"individual progress made by Saido Berahino and Craig Dawson" in the press release.

Is that the sane two players who've spent most of the last month relegated to the subs bench?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2014, 11:40:09 PM
Irvine 20 games
Mel 17 games
Clarke 60 games

Sad reflection of boards decision making really
'Sad' but that's the modern game, there's literally tens of millions of pounds riding on the fate of one individual. You'd have to have nerves of steel not to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:40:40 PM
Here's the thread for talk regarding a new manager

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15045.msg338130#msg338130
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 11:42:28 PM
I agree but sad in the sense the board should be making better/ more long term decisions. The board need a fan and more than one football person in it in my view
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on December 29, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
if Sherwood comes then Kelly,downing and kiely will be replaced by his men. im not sure if pulis as a team of people he takes with him or if he would agree to work within our set up. id like to think if pullis comes then the others will certainly know who is the gaffer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:44:32 PM
if Sherwood comes then Kelly,downing and kiely will be replaced by his men. im not sure if pulis as a team of people he takes with him or if he would agree to work within our set up. id like to think if pullis comes then the others will certainly know who is the gaffer.

If Pulis comes then Downing and Kiely will go.

Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis will join.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 29, 2014, 11:44:47 PM
Time to move on & has they say nice guys win fa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:44:59 PM
I hope that whoever is appointed will have the financial clout to re-vamp the squad. Many of this season's regulars were part of the set us that almost got us relegated last season. It's time to say thank you and goodbye to the likes of Dorrans, Morrison, Baird, Olsson, Samaras and even Anichebe. We may have to opt mainly for loans, but there are plenty of good quality players available in the UK and Europe who are in the last year of their existing contracts.
how many loans can you have, we have two now in wisdom and varela.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 29, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
how many loans can you have, we have two now in wisdom and varela.

Two domestic loans, although can't have anyone else from Liverpool as we already have Wisdom. Then unlimited amount of loans from abroad I believe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
It wouldn't mind if we went for someone like Eddie Howe of Bournemouth, who is highly rated - and young! However, there are no rumours coming from the south coast. The situation could well have changed by the morning. I think Sherwood is the more likely choice. I lost a small fortune when he wasn't appointed last time but I am not risking any cash on him this time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 29, 2014, 11:48:17 PM
Lovely man, all the best
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:48:31 PM
It wouldn't mind if we went for someone like Eddie Howe of Bournemouth, who is highly rated - and young! However, there are no rumours coming from the south coast. The situation could well have changed by the morning. I think Sherwood is the more likely choice. I lost a small fortune when he wasn't appointed last time but I am not risking any cash on him this time.

I think we've staged advanced talks with whoever is lined up. That rules out anyone in work as their club would announce we had requested permission.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
I think we've staged advanced talks with whoever is lined up. That rules out anyone in work as their club would announce we had requested permission.

Might be Southgate - club has close relationship with FA via Dan
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on December 29, 2014, 11:52:38 PM
Downing and Kiely will surely go this time.
Even Peace must now see we need a total clear-out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
If Pulis comes then Downing and Kiely will go.

Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis will join.

Hope so. That will be a strong back room team who will hold the balance of power and will not be shoved around by any players or remaining coaches.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:55:33 PM
Downing and Kiely will surely go this time.
Even Peace must now see we need a total clear-out.

Looking likely.

What's left to say about Irvine. There is a massive sense of relief, keep the thread open long enough for Aiden and Legend to say their goodbyes then lock her up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
Looking likely.

What's left to say about Irvine. There is a massive sense of relief, keep the thread open long enough for Aiden and Legend to say their goodbyes then lock her up.

Both have just draw their curtains, donned black clothes and opened that crate of special brew which has been on ice for a month  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
Looking likely.

What's left to say about Irvine. There is a massive sense of relief, keep the thread open long enough for Aiden and Legend to say their goodbyes then lock her up.



That's a point, not forgetting vv
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 12:01:20 AM
Well, it was always going to be an accident waiting to happen when Irvine was appointed in the first place, much to the astonishment and dismay of the vast majority of fans. I'm quite surprised that Peace has eaten the required humble pie to make this decision, so good on him for that. However, for our last 2 head coaches to last less than 40 games between them is an extremely poor show on the part of Peace, Burton et al, so they need to do much, much better with the next appointment.

I have nothing against Alan Irvine as a person, but I'm delighted that he's gone, particularly if it sparks a full clearout of the coaching staff - it's time for some new ideas and long overdue dismantling of the club cliques. If Irvine is the fantastic coach that many claim, he'll get another job before long, but not as a head coach I suspect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 30, 2014, 12:01:37 AM
Looking likely.

What's left to say about Irvine. There is a massive sense of relief, keep the thread open long enough for Aiden and Legend to say their goodbyes then lock her up.

Fair play to the two of them they stuck by their man through rubbish & more rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 12:02:11 AM
If Pulis comes then Downing and Kiely will go.

Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis will join.


If correct then I hope Francis gets that bloody mullet lopped.
 ;D.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 30, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
I think its been a well balanced thread and thank the pro irvine for making this a well balanced debat.
Although i am pleased he has gone everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:02:52 AM
Fair play to the two of them they stuck by their man through rubbish & more rubbish.
Don't see why stubbornness should be applauded, but I suppose by playing devils advocate they at least encouraged stronger counter-arguments as to what changes needed to be made and why.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:03:26 AM

If correct then I hope Francis gets that bloody mullet lopped.
 ;D.

That mullet is more sacred than our continental system. Has stood the test of time  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 12:05:53 AM
are you sure its not Gerry francis and Martin kemp,

Gold always believe in your soul.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
That mullet is more sacred than our continental system. Has stood the test of time  ;D

Status Quo have stood the test of time too but I wouldn't buy one of their CD's.
 ;D.

Maybe he's a Quo fan.
 :o ;).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on December 30, 2014, 12:18:07 AM
Feel sorry for the bloke in a way because he was so out of his depth it was untrue. Sacking Irvine will make no difference if the wrong appointment is made. Sherwood isn't the answer. It's critical we get an experienced manager or we will be in the Championship next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:21:27 AM
I thank Alan Irvine for his efforts, an honest man, had real integrity and seemingly worked his absolute nuts off, just wasn’t to be.  I could never spit venom at someone like that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on December 30, 2014, 12:23:13 AM
Out of the frying pan scenario ....Kelly and Downing in charge for West Ham..can it get any worse !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 12:24:43 AM
I thank Alan Irvine for his efforts, an honest man, had real integrity and seemingly worked his absolute nuts off, just wasn’t to be.  I could never spit venom at someone like that.

My sentiments exactly.
What a pity he was not appointed as a number two to an experienced Premier League manager.
All of the very best AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:30:52 AM
Look we wanted him out, now let's get on with it.
We need a manager who will tell it like it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 12:38:26 AM
hands up whose voted for him to stay in the poll after hes been sacked. god these pro Irvine lot never give up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:40:04 AM
My sentiments exactly.
What a pity he was not appointed as a number two to an experienced Premier League manager.
All of the very best AI.

Yep, a number 2 or director of an academy is where a man of his qualities probably excels.  Just wasn't happening for him as top dog.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on December 30, 2014, 07:00:43 AM
He is a nice guy,a hard working person,but he is not a good head coach,wish him all the best for his future career.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 07:03:25 AM
Good luck to whoever gets the job, I'll support them like I supported Irvine before them. I do think we will stay up, I think we would have under Irvine, because there remain three teams or more in a worse position than us. Do I expect much of a change on the pitch? Not really. Unless we recruit,  we do not have the personnel to score enough goals to compensate for those that we concede and therefore will always be flirting with danger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 07:18:34 AM
Good luck to whoever gets the job, I'll support them like I supported Irvine before them. I do think we will stay up, I think we would have under Irvine, because there remain three teams or more in a worse position than us. Do I expect much of a change on the pitch? Not really. Unless we recruit,  we do not have the personnel to score enough goals to compensate for those that we concede and therefore will always be flirting with danger.

There's support and then there's blind faith.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 30, 2014, 07:45:45 AM
 I would have liked him to succeed as it would mean that Albion were succeeding. However he seemed stuck in a rut without a clear plan to change things.

He would say in the press that we had a game plan which was followed for a while (usually until either we or the opposition scored) then the players would do their own thing. If that was true why pick the same players week in week out?

 Isn't it a sign of madness to repeat the same action yet expect a different result?

His insistence in playing players out of position didn't help. We all know that Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans are not defensive midfielders. We have two decent defensive midfielders yet I don't think he ever played Yacob and Mulumbu together.

Still we did beat the Villa under him!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sarniabaggie on December 30, 2014, 08:06:30 AM
He is a nice guy,he is a hard working person,but he is not a good head coach,wish him all the best for his future career.

My sentiments to a word.

Good luck Al, I bear no grudges, it is for the best. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on December 30, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Can't say I was pleased when he was appointed, but once he was in place I wanted to give him space and time to do the job.

My patience ran out during the Arsenal capitulation, and to be honest as much as he seems a great bloke, and by reputation is a top coach, results suggest he isn't up to the job of being the main man and I'm relieved to see the back of him.

Good luck to Alan in his next position, he tried his best but came up short.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 08:42:14 AM
I just want to say Good Luck to Alan Irvine for the future

A respectful and dignified man who didn't deserve the vitriol aimed at him

I was not happy with him in charge from the start but it's never nice to hear of a sacking especially this time of year.

All the best Alan
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 30, 2014, 08:44:28 AM
I would like to go on record as being the first to say I don't want the new head coach & will never accept him, I want him out of our club, should never have employed him & I will not be going to another game until he gets the sack.

Just getting in early & moving with the times.

Good luck Alan Irvine, thank you for your efforts, like Pepe Mel you leave with dignity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
I've had a night to sleep on it and must say that I don't feel sorry for him one jot.

Firstly, he didn't have to take the job. He knew what a difficult task it would be from the outset, anyone who says he didn't know is kidding themselves.

He's had an easy ride with the fans up until recently and even then he was passing the blame left right and centre.

I'm sure he will have a nice pay off to keep him going for a while as well.

Why should we feel sorry for him, he knew the score and he didn't deliver. That's football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
I would like to say good luck to Alan Irvine. It's going over old ground but his appointment in the first place was absolutely nonsensical. That isn't Alan Irvine's fault, I can't blame him for taking the job.

I am glad he's gone now, it's a big relief but that relief will not become absolute until it's confirmed that the dead wood on the coaching staff have joined him at the exit gate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BRIAN on December 30, 2014, 09:03:11 AM
Sharpen your pens, fill up the poison ink well and get ready to have a go at the next manager. I cannot believe such vitriol was poured over AV.He was not the right man for job,but the players have not helped.
Unless God and his Son are appointed, I expect all you bloody experts will soon kick-off your criticism. It's a tough job and none of you could hack it.
if Pulis is the next man in, then i'm certain there will be plenty who will put a "new nib" in their pens.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
Sharpen your pens, fill up the poison ink well and get ready to have a go at the next manager. I cannot believe such vitriol was poured over AV.He was not the right man for job,but the players have not helped.
Unless God and his Son are appointed, I expect all you bloody experts will soon kick-off your criticism. It's a tough job and none of you could hack it.
if Pulis is the next man in, then i'm certain there will be plenty who will put a "new nib" in their pens.
not all experts mate, just fans who care about a our club, and as this is a forum were you can air your views. Some will welcome the new head coach/manager some will not, it's called an opinion!! To which we are all entitled to have.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 09:12:28 AM
Sharpen your pens, fill up the poison ink well and get ready to have a go at the next manager. I cannot believe such vitriol was poured over AV.He was not the right man for job,but the players have not helped.
Unless God and his Son are appointed, I expect all you bloody experts will soon kick-off your criticism. It's a tough job and none of you could hack it.
if Pulis is the next man in, then i'm certain there will be plenty who will put a "new nib" in their pens.


That's what supporters do at every club. If you don't like it then don't follow football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 30, 2014, 09:24:20 AM
glad he has gone I do not feel sorry for him in any shape or form , he new he wasn't wanted by the fans yet still tuck on the job so new what was coming if didn't hit the ground running with good football and some wins  and getting paid to sit at home nah sorry good bye , now other 3 need to go and start again .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 09:31:28 AM
glad he has gone I do not feel sorry for him in any shape or form , he new he wasn't wanted by the fans yet still tuck on the job so new what was coming if didn't hit the ground running with good football and some wins  and getting paid to sit at home nah sorry good bye , now other 3 need to go and start again .
Just hope the new bloke hit's the ground running with good football and some wins then, otherwise I think we will see the same post again. Fell sorry for AI, fans never took to him even before he stepped through the door at  West Brom.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on December 30, 2014, 09:33:35 AM
you could well be right I never wanted him but wanted him to prove me wrong , he never did .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2014, 09:35:10 AM
Sharpen your pens, fill up the poison ink well and get ready to have a go at the next manager. I cannot believe such vitriol was poured over AV.He was not the right man for job,but the players have not helped.
Unless God and his Son are appointed, I expect all you bloody experts will soon kick-off your criticism. It's a tough job and none of you could hack it.
if Pulis is the next man in, then i'm certain there will be plenty who will put a "new nib" in their pens.

Good shout, but belongs on a different thread
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 30, 2014, 09:36:19 AM
Sharpen your pens, fill up the poison ink well and get ready to have a go at the next manager. I cannot believe such vitriol was poured over AV.He was not the right man for job,but the players have not helped.
Unless God and his Son are appointed, I expect all you bloody experts will soon kick-off your criticism. It's a tough job and none of you could hack it.
if Pulis is the next man in, then i'm certain there will be plenty who will put a "new nib" in their pens.

So could YOU see a future under what we saw with Irvine ?
Yes, not many wanted him in but you'll find at games and in general most of us gave the guy plenty of games to see if Irvine could offer something going forward and be able to motivate many players that seem in their comfort zone (this goes for some of the backroom staff also).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 30, 2014, 09:37:02 AM
I cannot believe people are still defending this clueless idiot.

He didn't lose his job because of a few nasty fans who never gave Mr Nice Guy a chance - he lost his job because, like at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday, the football served up was atrocious and results weren't much better. The guy is USELESS.

Cheerio Alan, thanks for 6 months of utter garbage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Wollaston01 on December 30, 2014, 09:44:15 AM
Thank god he's gone. Irvine down Peace to go!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 30, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Irvine s biggest mistake in my opinion was that he was too loyal to the players click (Brunt, Morrison, Foster etc) and add Wisdom in that as well. Picking these players that have not been good enough now for several seasons of poor form ultimately cost him his job. I think that if he looks at all the BS that these senior players come out with he may review his statement that they players have been great for him. How many head coaches have they been responsible for getting sacked. I am fed up with players like Brunt and Foster and Morrison saying publicly that we need to pick up point. We need action not words, and the new head coach needs to remind them that they shape up to the task ahead or ship out! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2014, 10:00:50 AM
I cannot believe people are still defending this clueless idiot.

He didn't lose his job because of a few nasty fans who never gave Mr Nice Guy a chance - he lost his job because, like at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday, the football served up was atrocious and results weren't much better. The guy is USELESS.

Cheerio Alan, thanks for 6 months of utter garbage.
So the football served up was atrocious compared to what ?? I would say it was no worse than under the Hodgson and Clarke. Under Irvine we used less long ball, we had better passers in midfield (I think that's why he preferred Morrison to Mulumbu or Yacob).
Is it easy to keep our club away from the relegation zone - NO. I thank Irvine for doing an honest job and giving it his best shot. A lot of fans were never going to accept him unless he did spectacularly well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 30, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
Thank god he's gone. Irvine down Peace to go!!!!

I don't normally respond to some of the more outrageous comments on the board, but you take the biscuit >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on December 30, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
I don't think there's been a huge amount of "vitriol" aimed at Irvine has there?  Not in a personal way, most people seemed to go out of their way to make it clear it wasn't a personal thing, just that he was an idiotic appointment.  Unlike a younger coach with some new ideas who could make a claim for time even if we went down, he had absolutely no leeway if -when- it went wobbly.

None of us need to especially wish him luck, I don't know what he was on, but his years dosh to anyone on here would probably be not far off a lifetime's earnings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 30, 2014, 11:15:53 AM
he had to go JP should not have made the appointment in the first place , but he needs to get rid of the rest of the coaching staff as well, there are enough decent players in this squad who under a new manager with more ambitious ideas, better systems to suit the squad he has, can easily keep us up , what it will mean is that the men who should have been doing it will have to step up to the plate or be out, and the players who have not really had a chance to prove themselves will get that chance, here's to a better 2015
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
Ah, if only it were that easy, this is west brom remember
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on December 30, 2014, 11:38:25 AM
Only Pepe Mel has a worse record than Irvine according to this

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-how-alan-8360530
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 11:53:38 AM
All the best to Alan Irvine, worked his socks off but to no avail.
And as for some of the comments directed at me for sticking up for him...grow up, its called supporting the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Good luck Alan, with a bit more luck you'd still be here. Great guy, great coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on December 30, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
It's ironic that we are on 19 points half way through the season, and our aim is 40 points. He wasn't too far off, but considering the last 5 matches are tough, we'd need the 40 before entering that round of matches. That's something I'm not confident we'd have if AI was still here.

Hopefully someone like Pulis will come in and kick some ass.

Whoever we get, I really hope we give them plenty of time. Save us this season and progress next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
All the best to Alan Irvine, worked his socks off but to no avail.
And as for some of the comments directed at me for sticking up for him...grow up, its called supporting the club.

Ignore any comments. Not worth responding.

Any personal comments aimed at anyone will be removed if they are pointed out to us, we're only human and don't catch everything so if some are left and others removed its purely because they have been missed not because we allow some people to be abused and not others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:11:27 PM
It's ironic that we are on 19 points half way through the season, and our aim is 40 points. He wasn't too far off, but considering the last 5 matches are tough, we'd need the 40 before entering that round of matches. That's something I'm not confident we'd have if AI was still here.

Hopefully someone like Pulis will come in and kick some ass.

Whoever we get, I really hope we give them plenty of time. Save us this season and progress next season.
No, we're on 17, which would give us 34 at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
West Bromwich Albion
‏@WBAFCofficial
2- A sombre day for staff at The Hawthorns because we have said farewell to a man of great class and dignity #bestwishesAlan

Very classy from the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on December 30, 2014, 12:31:38 PM
Pleased with the decision but I also wish him all the best.

It was never going to work out here realistically, too much venom at the appointment. It was an appalling decision for a Premier League team and the gamble didn't pay off.

Best of luck for the future though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 12:32:10 PM
West Bromwich Albion
‏@WBAFCofficial
2- A sombre day for staff at The Hawthorns because we have said farewell to a man of great class and dignity #bestwishesAlan

Very classy from the club.

So why wasn't there similar for Mel who was very dignified despite being seemingly undermined.

Irvine has not died, he has lost his job, part and parcel of being involved in football coaching/ management, nice man or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on December 30, 2014, 12:34:18 PM
West Bromwich Albion
‏@WBAFCofficial
2- A sombre day for staff at The Hawthorns because we have said farewell to a man of great class and dignity #bestwishesAlan

Very classy from the club.

I didn't know he died.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
Pepe Mel was a total clown who didn't do anything for WBA.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 12:36:31 PM
Pepe Mel was a total clown who didn't do anything for WBA.

And acted with total dignity despite the backstabbing.

I wonder what VVV thinks about that comment given his stance on libel comments ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
No one is denying that he came across as a lovely guy, and a nice bloke.

However this is a results business and he hasnt achieved that. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I wish Alan all the best in his future roles within football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 12:41:45 PM
West Bromwich Albion
‏@WBAFCofficial
2- A sombre day for staff at The Hawthorns because we have said farewell to a man of great class and dignity #bestwishesAlan

Very classy from the club.

The players should have performed better for him then!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
West Bromwich Albion
‏@WBAFCofficial
2- A sombre day for staff at The Hawthorns because we have said farewell to a man of great class and dignity #bestwishesAlan

Very classy from the club.
Good lord , are we having a minutes silence at the next home game ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 12:45:10 PM
Good lord , are we having a minutes silence at the next home game ?

I think Legend is running the official twitter account :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 12:47:30 PM
I think Legend is running the official twitter account :D

 ;D

What I want to know is, is Irvine going to get his statue now or in a few years after WBAinDEVON has collected signatures?  ;)

What a stupid tweet for Albion to make, I mean really the bloke wasn't exactly Alex Ferguson was he?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
So why wasn't there similar for Mel who was very dignified despite being seemingly undermined.

Irvine has not died, he has lost his job, part and parcel of being involved in football coaching/ management, nice man or not.

Doesn't mean people who work at the club cannot be unhappy that a popular colleague has lost his job.

Perhaps Mel wasn't so highly regarded within the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 12:54:05 PM
Doesn't mean people who work at the club cannot be unhappy that a popular colleague has lost his job.

Perhaps Mel wasn't so highly regarded within the club.

No it doesn't but it also doesn't mean they have to go overboard for a bloke employed for 6 months as though he has died.

What next minute silence against Gateshead ?

Mel may not have been regarded highly but he was just as dignified when he was forced out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 12:58:43 PM
good bye and good luck Alan Irvine, you have quite possibly cost us our premier league status. time for another academy job at Everton
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
The players should have performed better for him then!

The players will be gutted he's left, they worked their socks off for him but didn't get the luck in some games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 12:59:33 PM
my cynical head says the club are very aware of the reputation we are getting as a hire em / fire em club.

They are going over the top to say its about results pure and simple IF we get results we don't sack good people.

or maybe the staff are genuinely saddened that AI has gone. If you come into work and the boss is already in grafting and when you leave he's still there and he is "nice" & "respectful" you are going to feel sad for him aren't you??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
The players will be gutted he's left, they worked their socks off for him but didn't get the luck in some games.
That's what you get for having "favourites".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on December 30, 2014, 01:00:36 PM
The players should have performed better for him then!

Spot on !

Players and coaching staff probably wallowing in self-pity as they know the easy, lazy days may have gone forever (HOPEFULLY!).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
Surprisingly, the tweet didn't mention what an appalling appointment it was in the first place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
That's what you get for having "favourites".

I don't think he's the sort of bloke to have favourites, he just picked the team he believed was best for that certain game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
The players will be gutted he's left, they worked their socks off for him but didn't get the luck in some games.

Yes, yes they will but only because they know this time whoever is appointed he won't have his favourites and they will actually have to work to get into the team.

It's going to be a big shock to some of the players up there and I for one think it's over due.

I can see certain players wanting out in the summer as they won't be able to hack it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
I don't think he's the sort of bloke to have favourites, he just picked the team he believed was best for that certain game.
Either way, once it was clear that certain players weren't playing well and weren't getting the results, he should have handed the likes of Gamboa and Blanco a chance instead of ruthlessly persisting. Anyhow, water under the bridge now, and wish him all the best.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 01:05:15 PM
I don't think he's the sort of bloke to have favourites, he just picked the team he believed was best for that certain game.

really?? I think he was to timid to "risk"" anyone who was not established in the "cabal"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 01:05:55 PM
The players will be gutted he's left, they worked their socks off for him but didn't get the luck in some games.
some players will probably be glad he's gone. they haven't worked their socks off for him, and finally we cant blame luck.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
really?? I think he was to timid to "risk"" anyone who was not established in the "cabal"

He dropped Olsson, kept McAuley and Mulumbu on the bench. Three established players. I wonder if Pulis for example had his favourites at Stoke who fans didn't want in the team, I'd say he probably did.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 01:08:52 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 01:10:13 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

Why because not everyone agrees with you ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 30, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

Thats exactly how i felt when we signed him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 01:12:36 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

Do you really need to be so melodramatic?

We employed a man who was clearly not upto the job.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 01:12:58 PM
No, simply because the way Irvine has been treated. He was a great bloke and whilst I agree he was out of his depth I think some of the comments that have been wrote about him are out of order and rude. And some of the abuse he got at Stoke was shocking, if that was any other club we would all be saying how embarrassing it was.

I just hope the new head coach is god, because this bunch of players isn't good enough...just remember that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 30, 2014, 01:14:07 PM
He dropped Olsson, kept McAuley and Mulumbu on the bench. Three established players. I wonder if Pulis for example had his favourites at Stoke who fans didn't want in the team, I'd say he probably did.

Those are the sort of reasons why he has lost his job
Way out of his depth
Probably is a really nice bloke but so am I and I couldn't do that job either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
No, simply because the way Irvine has been treated. He was a great bloke and whilst I agree he was out of his depth I think some of the comments that have been wrote about him are out of order and rude. And some of the abuse he got at Stoke was shocking, if that was any other club we would all be saying how embarrassing it was.

I just hope the new head coach is god, because this bunch of players isn't good enough...just remember that.

Most of the abuse at Stoke was not aimed at Irvine.

Just as over the top have been the comments making him out as some sort of demi-god and now he's gone its got even worse. Fans were very very patient.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 30, 2014, 01:15:19 PM
Pepe Mel was a total clown who didn't do anything for WBA.

Did he not keep us in the Premier League last season, along with Steve Clarke and Keith Downing in spells? What has Alan Irvine achieved at this club other than become one of our most unpopular Head Coaches ever?

We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

I'm ashamed of the supporters of this club who are happy to accept mediocrity and rubbish. They're just as much as a loser as Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on December 30, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
No, simply because the way Irvine has been treated. He was a great bloke and whilst I agree he was out of his depth I think some of the comments that have been wrote about him are out of order and rude. And some of the abuse he got at Stoke was shocking, if that was any other club we would all be saying how embarrassing it was.

I just hope the new head coach is god, because this bunch of players isn't good enough...just remember that.

If we get a decent manger we have the players to finish top half. Under Pulis we will finish above half way
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
Tony Pulis will not work under JP...he has too much to say for himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 01:23:22 PM
Tony Pulis will not work under JP...he has too much to say for himself.

and sherwood doesn't??

i think Pulis will tell peace what for but he will do it more privately. I am concerned Sherwood would say it publicly...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
Tony Pulis will not work under JP...he has too much to say for himself.
you do not know that at all, if talks are going on between albion and pulis which it seems they are according to media outlets, would you support the appointment and see it as a better chance to stay in this league because that's what really matters not how nice a guy is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on December 30, 2014, 01:25:26 PM
No it doesn't but it also doesn't mean they have to go overboard for a bloke employed for 6 months as though he has died.

What next minute silence against Gateshead ?

Mel may not have been regarded highly but he was just as dignified when he was forced out.

Whilst I agree with you that it is over the top, I think the reasoning for this is because there is a new media team at the Albion right now. This team wasn't there when Mel left, hence the difference. It will probably be the same after every sacking that this team is in place for.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 01:29:48 PM
I'm ashamed of the supporters of this club who are happy to accept mediocrity and rubbish. They're just as much as a loser as Irvine.

Yea big shout out to all those fans that unconditionally support the team and manager, they are a massive scourge on this football club....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
I think we need to nip this in the bud.

No one fan is better than another. Each fan supports the club the best way they see fit.

I didn't go this season for the fact I didn't agree with Irvine. Does that make me a lesser of a fan who's been going no matter what for 40years? No it doesn't.

what we don't want to happen now is for the fans to be divided.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
Yea big shout out to all those fans that unconditionally support the team and manager, they are a massive scourge on this football club....

No support should be unconditional.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
Yeah I think Dangerman is spot on. You have your views, I have mine. People disagree and that's football. Irvine's gone and clearly there's a lot of emotion that people are acting on right now.

What needs to happen is for everyone to take a step back and realise that the constant infighting does nothing to help us, and when the new head coach is appointed, unite behind him regardless of who it is (assuming it's a straight fight between Pulis and Sherwood).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 30, 2014, 01:39:02 PM
I don't think he's the sort of bloke to have favourites, he just picked the team he believed was best for that certain game.

Picking a midfield of Dorrans, Morrison, Brunt and Gardner should be a sackable offence in itself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
Yeah I think Dangerman is spot on. You have your views, I have mine. People disagree and that's football. Irvine's gone and clearly there's a lot of emotion that people are acting on right now.

What needs to happen is for everyone to take a step back and realise that the constant infighting does nothing to help us, and when the new head coach is appointed, unite behind him regardless of who it is (assuming it's a straight fight between Pulis and Sherwood).

Agreed!





Unless its warnock then we can get emotional  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 01:40:22 PM
Yeah I think Dangerman is spot on. You have your views, I have mine. People disagree and that's football. Irvine's gone and clearly there's a lot of emotion that people are acting on right now.

What needs to happen is for everyone to take a step back and realise that the constant infighting does nothing to help us, and when the new head coach is appointed, unite behind him regardless of who it is (assuming it's a straight fight between Pulis and Sherwood).

Totally agree, time for all the back biting, pettiness to stop. Irvine has gone regardless of how people felt about him.

Time to move on as a club and fanbase.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Agreed!





Unless its warnock then we can get emotional  ;D

Pretty sure there'll be riots if Colin is appointed!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan87uk on December 30, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
what we don't want to happen now is for the fans to be divided.

Probably too late for that at this moment in time :P the fact you felt compelled to have to say it, tells its own story! This is exactly what the albion have become as a result of the last couple of years of nonsense, not just the last 6 months with Irvine the clown.... That being said, I agree totally with you, we need to forget about it now, and move forward as a fanbase and get behind whoever the new manager will be.

Regarding the talk about Pulis, i'd be moderately satisfied with him, i think we'd be solid enough to get back upto mid table with him. However, BBC are reporting we are speaking to Sherwood too who, frankly, as a person, I actually am not really a fan of him, however playing devil's advocate, he might just be what we need right now to come in a rock the boat with a few of the senior players who think they are undroppable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
Totally agree, time for all the back biting, pettiness to stop. Irvine has gone regardless of how people felt about him.

Time to move on as a club and fanbase.
Agree. :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 01:46:35 PM
Lets face it, because of awful performances and results, the last three coaches have been divisive and tested the resolve of most fans, a lot of long term fans have walked away.

IF we appoint Pulis, the focus must switch to the players, we as fans need to do our bit, but no excuses, time for the players to shape up or ship out!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 01:49:18 PM
I didn't go this season for the fact I didn't agree with Irvine. Does that make me a lesser of a fan who's been going no matter what for 40years? No it doesn't.
Course it does.  I have far greater respect for someone who pumps their money into the club for 40 years following the team home and away compared to someone who spat their dummy out because they didn't like the manager who was appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on December 30, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
If its Pulis or Sherwood then I certainly wont be wasting my money on tickets anymore...one is a dinosaur and the other has less experience than AI...never felt so depressed in 50 years of loyal support...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
Course it does.  I have far greater respect for someone who pumps their money into the club for 40 years following the team home and away compared to someone who spat their dummy out because they didn't like the manager who was appointed.

On the flip side I have less respect for someone who plows their money into the club blindly and then moans about it. You either accept it warts and all or make a choice not to go. Or you come here and let off a bit of steam.

I'm not going to get into an argument about who is the better fan. I've spend lots of money, time and emotion on the albion only for them to let me down again and again.

I'm confident that I am a decent fan who cares about the albion. I don't have to prove to anyone that I am better than someone else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 01:57:02 PM
Course it does.  I have far greater respect for someone who pumps their money into the club for 40 years following the team home and away compared to someone who spat their dummy out because they didn't like the manager who was appointed.

Problem is these days cost comes into it and if someone ain't happy with something they can stay at home and watch it online or on tv. Me, i'm stupid enough to go regardless if I can afford it and the only day i'll stop going is when the pennies aren't making it possible.

I don't have blind faith in the club though but for 90 minutes I back them, after that i'll moan like a good un' whether on here or on the way home. I also don't think any fan is better than any other. People choose to do what they do in their own way.

Like many others seen better than this but also much worse. Premier League has changed everything about being a football fan and not all for the better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
On the flip side I have less respect for someone who plows their money into the club blindly and then moans about it. You either accept it warts and all or make a choice not to go. Or you come here and let off a bit of steam.

I'm not going to get into an argument about who is the better fan. I've spend lots of money, time and emotion on the albion only for them to let me down again and again.

I'm confident that I am a decent fan who cares about the albion. I don't have to prove to anyone that I am better than someone else.

My argument is not personal, I'm not saying you personally, I'm generalising.  But for me you support the club regardless of manager.  My original post was aimed at a remark which branded people losers for supporting Irvine.. I chose to support Irvine, its in my nature to back whoever is in charge, I don't think that makes me a loser.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
Come on lads it is still the season of good will to all men.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 02:03:49 PM
I guess it comes to how you view 'West Bromwich Albion.' Is it a name given to a set of individuals who come and go, who happen to play football at a particular place for people to watch? In that case I think it's fine to stop going if those individuals are representing the name 'WBA' properly.

If you view the name as something more concrete, where the name is separate from the individuals, I can see the view of you support the name regardless of the individuals that happen to be there.

It's different for everyone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:04:32 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.
So there can't be any personal criticism of Irvine in your book, yet it's OK for you to call Pepe Mel a "total clown"? A tad two-faced on your part perhaps?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 02:06:08 PM
My argument is not personal, I'm not saying you personally, I'm generalising.  But for me you support the club regardless of manager.  My original post was aimed at a remark which branded people losers for supporting Irvine.. I chose to support Irvine, its in my nature to back whoever is in charge, I don't think that makes me a loser.

If you had to spend £250-£300 a game like I do, I think you would see things slightly differently, I just ask for a performance and the odd result, for two years its seemed a complete waste of money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
He dropped Olsson, kept McAuley and Mulumbu on the bench. Three established players. I wonder if Pulis for example had his favourites at Stoke who fans didn't want in the team, I'd say he probably did.

Olsson had been carrying a long term injury which was affecting his form, he went to USA to get it sorted, on long term recovery now. so not dropped,
Mulla was dropped for "tactical" reasons (IMO) Gardner/ Morrisson were likely seen as better ball retention options.
G Mac, was injured and dawson came in alongside Lescott and did really well, G.Mac had to wait for his chance to get back in

for sure managers have preferences which we will not all agree with, however as many have stated when something is not working it is madness to persist with it.

Can you tell me what the logic of playing Dorrans out wide is?
Why would you bring Mulla on when 2-0 down ?
Why take sess off time and time again, if its fitness that flies in the face of all AI preached about fitness
I could go on ad nauseum

Inflexible, rigid, timid, stubborn call it what you will, it was what we were warned about and its exactly what we got.
Anyway he's gone, we wish him well, now we move on and hopefully get back to enjoying some exciting footy.

COYB
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 02:16:24 PM
Olsson had been carrying a long term injury which was affecting his form, he went to USA to get it sorted, on long term recovery now. so not dropped,
Mulla was dropped for "tactical" reasons (IMO) Gardner/ Morrisson were likely seen as better ball retention options.
G Mac, was injured and dawson came in alongside Lescott and did really well, G.Mac had to wait for his chance to get back in

for sure managers have preferences which we will not all agree with, however as many have stated when something is not working it is madness to persist with it.

Can you tell me what the logic of playing Dorrans out wide is?
Why would you bring Mulla on when 2-0 down ?
Why take sess off time and time again, if its fitness that flies in the face of all AI preached about fitness
I could go on ad nauseum

Inflexible, rigid, timid, stubborn call it what you will, it was what we were warned about and its exactly what we got.
Anyway he's gone, we wish him well, now we move on and hopefully get back to enjoying some exciting footy.

COYB


Bring on one defensive player so the other players currently on the pitch can get forward more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
My argument is not personal, I'm not saying you personally, I'm generalising.  But for me you support the club regardless of manager.  My original post was aimed at a remark which branded people losers for supporting Irvine.. I chose to support Irvine, its in my nature to back whoever is in charge, I don't think that makes me a loser.

I know it's not personal mate. I just think that there is a lot wrong with football in general at the minute, which also adds to the way I feel about it all.

Let's be honest If I didn't care I wouldn't have been logged in here yesterday and today.

There was a point a few years ago that I would never have thought about not going. I went home and away, but this summer it changed Irvine was appointed, I didn't really have the money to spend on a season ticket and I made the decision.

I know have found other things to do on a Saturday and don't miss it as much as I thought I would have.

I did go boxing day and I did enjoy it and there is a little spark there now, especially now Irvine has gone.

I just think the events of the last 2 years at the albion (and football in general) has pushed a few people away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:25:22 PM
Bring on one defensive player so the other players currently on the pitch can get forward more.

there was about 10 mins left, wasn't there?

It wasn't one issue, it was a catalogue of things which left many of us flabbergasted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 02:31:03 PM
Pepe Mel was a total clown who didn't do anything for WBA.

We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

its nowt to do with WBA, every club has them, if anything we likely have less than most.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
Alan Irvine was streets ahead of Pepe Mel. Ask anyone at the club, Mel didn't have a clue, Irvine on the other hand did. A lot of football people have come out and said the same about Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 02:37:36 PM
its nowt to do with WBA, every club has them, if anything we likely have less than most.

I know that, however I find it somewhat ironic that the quote was from an Irvine supporter who argues with anyone who dare question Irvine yet thinks it is acceptable to call Mel a clown.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 02:37:54 PM
Alan Irvine was streets ahead of Pepe Mel. Ask anyone at the club, Mel didn't have a clue, Irvine on the other hand did. A lot of football people have come out and said the same about Irvine.

Have to agree. It would have been nice for Irvine to get the support from the fans that Mel did but never mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on December 30, 2014, 02:39:26 PM
If its Pulis or Sherwood then I certainly wont be wasting my money on tickets anymore...one is a dinosaur and the other has less experience than AI...never felt so depressed in 50 years of loyal support...

How has Sherwood got less experience than Irvine?
In fact he has more Premier League experience . Irvine had never coached in the Premier League before we game him the opportunity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
Have to agree. It would have been nice for Irvine to get the support from the fans that Mel did but never mind.

It would have been nice for Mel to get the support from certain players and coaching staff that Irvine did but never mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
A lot of football people losing a lot of respect for WBA at the moment.
Sherwood is just full of waffle and would be a disaster for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on December 30, 2014, 02:43:09 PM
A thought springs to mind . Was steve Clarke still on gardening leave when he picked up the reading job . The timing of Irvine going has matched Clarke getting a job . This will be our 4th manager in 12 months which is a shambles .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:43:21 PM
Alan Irvine was streets ahead of Pepe Mel. Ask anyone at the club, Mel didn't have a clue, Irvine on the other hand did. A lot of football people have come out and said the same about Irvine.

Football people?

Mates sticking up for mates more like.

I mean, who actually comes out and slags off a fellow professional?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:44:10 PM
A lot of football people losing a lot of respect for WBA at the moment.

I care about West Bromwich Albion and not the opinions of no-marks in the media who know nothing about us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 02:44:24 PM
It would have been nice for Mel to get the support from certain players and coaching staff that Irvine did but never mind.

If a head coach/manager can't get the support from the players then he's not good enough to manage them. Players will respond to a manager who knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
A lot of football people losing a lot of respect for WBA at the moment.
Sherwood is just full of waffle and would be a disaster for us.
Name one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:44:29 PM
It would have been nice for Mel to get the support from certain players and coaching staff that Irvine did but never mind.

Seems that was too much to ask.

Unless i'm mistaken both will have the same coaching qualifications, yet one is a clown and the other a genius by the sounds of it. Both had same time in charge and both had mediocre results yet one apparently did nothing but still gets the blame for those mediocre results.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2014, 02:45:22 PM
Alan Irvine was streets ahead of Pepe Mel. Ask anyone at the club, Mel didn't have a clue, Irvine on the other hand did. A lot of football people have come out and said the same about Irvine.
Don't know how you can say that, Pepe Mel wasn't a saint but he got more points per game in comparison to Alan Irvine, so how does that make Pele Mel any worse?

Pepe Mel had Berahino, Anichebe and Theivy up front.
Alan Irvine had Berahino, Anichebe, Ideye, Samaras up front.

Pepe Mel had Ridgewell and Reid at the back.
Alan Irvine had Poco and Wisdom/Gamboa.

The quality of players at Irvine's disposal was far better, and he still got less points per game...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:45:57 PM
If a head coach/manager can't get the support from the players then he's not good enough to manage them. Players will respond to a manager who knows what he's doing.

Not really. Players should be open to new ideas whether they initially think they are right or not. Players are players not managers, not coaches. Players paid handsomely to do a job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 02:46:36 PM
Roberto Martinez
Gary Neville
Mark Lawrenson

Have all criticised the decision to sack Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
how many "football people" are queueing up to give AI a job then?

I bet a damn sight more "football people" would apply for his job if it was available.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
Seems that was too much to ask.

Unless i'm mistaken both will have the same coaching qualifications, yet one is a clown and the other a genius by the sounds of it. Both had same time in charge and both had mediocre results yet one apparently did nothing but still gets the blame for those mediocre results.

Agreed 100% although who am I to question football people.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:48:17 PM
Roberto Martinez
Gary Neville
Mark Lawrenson

Have all criticised the decision to sack Irvine.
No, you stated there were football people who had lost respect for WBA as a club in light of Sherwood being considered. That's a totally separate issue.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 30, 2014, 02:48:57 PM
If a head coach/manager can't get the support from the players then he's not good enough to manage them. Players will respond to a manager who knows what he's doing.

I agree. This is the reason why we've been so poor under both Mel and Irvine. Both were shocking appointments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Roberto Martinez
Gary Neville
Mark Lawrenson

Have all criticised the decision to sack Irvine.

Only one of those worth listening to is Neville. Didn't hear him slating us though, he said that our Chairman is a calcualted man and whenever he has pulled the trigger we have stayed up and only gone down when we have kept the same man.

Lawrenson ???? gets slated on here most weeks after his predictions.

Martinez worked with Irvine very recently at a club where Irvine has spent vast majority of his career, of course he will comment on things, maybe he will offer him a job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 02:49:49 PM
The way this club has been run the past two years has been a shambles.
Irvine was not the only problem, Peace and Burton are two of the major problems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
so 1 failed manager, who has zero respect from the average fan
1 manager under pressure, who will say this for self protection
1 who has never managed, but is a good ex-player and pundit

great! forgive me if i'm not overly concerned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
What Mark Lawrenson knows about the Albion could be written on a postage stamp.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on December 30, 2014, 02:53:11 PM
AidantheBaggies

You remind me of Frazer off Dad's Army, one of the biggest doom and gloom merchants going. Let me pose some points to you:

- We're profitable
- We have our best squad in 30 years
- We're rumoured to be chasing new No.1's that are considerably better than Irvine
- All media icons that I've heard seem to respect the club

Yes there is a dip in form and yes employing Irvine as Head Coach, in hindsight, may have been a mistake. That does not constitute the meltdown you seem to be having on here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 02:56:26 PM
Not really. Players should be open to new ideas whether they initially think they are right or not. Players are players not managers, not coaches. Players paid handsomely to do a job.

Players probably knew he was taking us down so spoke up. Mel's lack of English probably didn't help as the players couldn't understand him. Downing and Kiely saved us if it's to be believed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:59:11 PM
The way this club has been run the past two years has been a shambles.
Irvine was not the only problem, Peace and Burton are two of the major problems.

I doubt anyone would say they not to be criticised but FFS JP has done more than most chairmen over recent years, very, very rich men have made a worse fist of it than JP. But yes he's made mistakes and acknowledged that.

TB I dunno,  from my perspective (outsider obviously) he is too much in the shadows for my liking. When is he responsible? Does he get censured? Is he under pressure?

I do think the clubs structure has too many layers, its a £150m business does it really need all these department heads and assistants and sub-assistants ...... all seems to obscure responsibility to me.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on December 30, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
We really do have some classless fans. Quite ashamed to support WBA at the moment.

People are entitled to their own opinion, just because it isnt the same as yours is immaterial.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
Furthermore the Alan Irvine song was one of the most distasteful songs I've heard about an employee of our club.

As for some of you wondering why there is a certain love fest for AI perhaps its because he was a hard working, caring and decent guy who worked day and night to make the club a success. Yes he has failed and has rightly been dismissed but some of the abuse dished out towards him was unacceptable.

Oh I see Kiely and Downing are still employed and Kiely is likely to be kept on. Untouchable that guy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 03:00:12 PM
Don't know how you can say that, Pepe Mel wasn't a saint but he got more points per game in comparison to Alan Irvine, so how does that make Pele Mel any worse?

Pepe Mel had Berahino, Anichebe and Theivy up front.
Alan Irvine had Berahino, Anichebe, Ideye, Samaras up front.

Pepe Mel had Ridgewell and Reid at the back.
Alan Irvine had Poco and Wisdom/Gamboa.

The quality of players at Irvine's disposal was far better, and he still got less points per game...

The wins against Norwich and West Ham kept us up last season and them games had Downing written all over it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 03:01:03 PM
Players probably knew he was taking us down so spoke up. Mel's lack of English probably didn't help as the players couldn't understand him. Downing and Kiely saved us if it's to be believed.

This is the thing which really gets on my nerves - the players were just as rubbish under Steve Clarke, could they not understand him either? Or is that excuse just pin-pointed for Pepe Mel only?

If Downing and Kiely saved us and to quote many that suggest we were rubbish, is that not the fault of Downing and Kiely who had apparently saved us because according to half of them Pepe Mel was never involved?

Some people at the club cannot wait to criticise Pepe Mel for the rubbish and praise Downing and Kiely when all of them should be equally culpable for the rubbish that was on offer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 03:02:38 PM
Furthermore the Alan Irvine song was one of the most distasteful songs I've heard about an employee of our club.

As for some of you wondering why there is a certain love fest for AI perhaps its because he was a hard working, caring and decent guy who worked day and night to make the club a success. Yes he has failed and has rightly been dismissed but some of the abuse dished out towards him was unacceptable.

Oh I see Kiely and Downing are still employed and Kiely is likely to be kept on. Untouchable that guy.

Irvine and Premier League refs. Why not support Albion instead?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 03:03:06 PM
So Aiden you have clearly got an issue with DK, what is that based on?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:03:17 PM
Players probably knew he was taking us down so spoke up. Mel's lack of English probably didn't help as the players couldn't understand him. Downing and Kiely saved us if it's to be believed.

How do the players know that ? hypothetical. Bloke never stood a chance. The squad has a few foreign players so language barrier is poor reasoning given there are Spanish speakers in there plus he also had a translator if needed. He could also speak a little English.

Players were a disgrace and those same players have not helped Irvine either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2014, 03:04:13 PM
A thought springs to mind . Was steve Clarke still on gardening leave when he picked up the reading job . The timing of Irvine going has matched Clarke getting a job . This will be our 4th manager in 12 months which is a shambles .
No - Steve Clarke's 2 year contract with us (and his gardening leave) ended last June/July.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 03:05:43 PM
Irvine and Premier League refs. Why not support Albion instead?

I do support WBA thanks, home and away season ticket holder for 14 years.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 03:10:29 PM
Martinez would stick up for AI as he was an ex work mate.

Lawrenson knows very little about the baggies, and I couldnt really care less what he thought anyway.

Neville, if your on about what he said last night on Sky Sports, he didnt slate the albion, he said Peace doesnt mess about if things arent going right, and hes usually right in his decision to sack the coach.

Id go as far as putting my life savings on Irvine never managing a Premier League club again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 03:12:54 PM
This is the thing which really gets on my nerves - the players were just as rubbish under Steve Clarke, could they not understand him either?

To be honest I struggled to understand Clarke at times.
 :P.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
Roberto Martinez
Gary Neville
Mark Lawrenson

Have all criticised the decision to sack Irvine.
They're all experts on Albion of course - I'm sure they watch all of our games.....

In his reaction to Irvine's sacking, Neville said something along the lines of "West Brom are currently 16th, that's their position isn't it, the best they can hope to aim for?"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
They're all experts on Albion of course - I'm sure they watch all of our games.....

In his reaction to Irvine's sacking, Neville said something along the lines of "West Brom are currently 16th, that's their position isn't it, the best they can hope to aim for?"

He said a little more than that, he said something like "That's roughly where they'll always be. 14th though to 16th, maybe slipping to 17th or 18th"

Clearly he wasn't paying attention when we finished 8th!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 30, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
Sick of this "hark working, decent guy" line that I keep hearing. You know what that screams to me? LOSER. And that is exactly what Alan Irvine is.

Why on earth don't some of you want more for this football club? Fed up of our supporters and this "happy to be here" attitude, we're better than that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 04:14:27 PM
Sick of this "hark working, decent guy" line that I keep hearing. You know what that screams to me? LOSER. And that is exactly what Alan Irvine is.

Why on earth don't some of you want more for this football club? Fed up of our supporters and this "happy to be here" attitude, we're better than that.

The job is yours you Nasty barsteward!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 30, 2014, 04:23:13 PM
I do support WBA thanks, home and away season ticket holder for 14 years.

Brilliant comeback Aidan  ;D

Like yourself I have defended Irvine's cause in the hope he would be successful, many others on here have expressed their displeasure but vowed to support him during matches, fair play but there has been a sinister under current from a  proportion of West Brom fans both at games & on here, an agenda that meant AI would never be accepted, well you got your wish people, JP caved & now it's time for the next victim sorry Coach to take his place in the WBA hotseat/poison challis on a new one month rolling contract, pointless giving him anymore just incase the fans don't like him.

AND the worst thing to come out of it all.................... Jacko's back out of retirement..............again   ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on December 30, 2014, 05:03:54 PM
Brilliant comeback Aidan  ;D

Like yourself I have defended Irvine's cause in the hope he would be successful, many others on here have expressed their displeasure but vowed to support him during matches, fair play but there has been a sinister under current from a  proportion of West Brom fans both at games & on here, an agenda that meant AI would never be accepted, well you got your wish people, JP caved & now it's time for the next victim sorry Coach to take his place in the WBA hotseat/poison challis on a new one month rolling contract, pointless giving him anymore just incase the fans don't like him.

AND the worst thing to come out of it all.................... Jacko's back out of retirement..............again   ::)
Deluded hope he would be successful, most of us knew if pepe Mel was backed we would be fine. All we can hope for is pulis and not some yes man. Yes we all had an agenda what is best for this football club and some of us backed that up unlike the Churchill nodding dogs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 30, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
Deluded hope he would be successful, most of us knew if pepe Mel was backed we would be fine. All we can hope for is pulis and not some yes man. Yes we all had an agenda what is best for this football club and some of us backed that up unlike the Churchill nodding dogs

There you go again kirky, taking things all personal  ??? Churchill nodding dogs though, reasonably amusing  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 05:14:08 PM
Deluded hope he would be successful, most of us knew if pepe Mel was backed we would be fine. All we can hope for is pulis and not some yes man. Yes we all had an agenda what is best for this football club and some of us backed that up unlike the Churchill nodding dogs
Prey tell me how anyone would know that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Deluded hope he would be successful, most of us knew if pepe Mel was backed we would be fine. All we can hope for is pulis and not some yes man. Yes we all had an agenda what is best for this football club and some of us backed that up unlike the Churchill nodding dogs
Pepe Mel was like putting diesel into a petrol car.  It doesn't work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 30, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
Sick of this "hark working, decent guy" line that I keep hearing. You know what that screams to me? LOSER. And that is exactly what Alan Irvine is.

Why on earth don't some of you want more for this football club? Fed up of our supporters and this "happy to be here" attitude, we're better than that.

We WERE better than than but we haven't actually won anything of note for a very, very long time and the way football has changed over the years, we are unlikely to win ANYTHING any time soon either.

Remaining in the PL (hopefully without a relegation battle) year after year will give us the best opportunity of success in a cup or possibly the Europa League (which we would be ill equipped for despite additional investment in players)

I yearn for the days of Cyrille Regis, title challenges, cup runs and European campaigns BUT I am happy to be here and STAY here - it is all that I want - I cannot face another season slogging away in the Championship Saturday, Tuesday/Wednesday, Saturday.

Unfortunately, due to Murdoch, SKY, UEFA and the top teams that dominate Europe with the cash rewards on offer - we should know what we are - mid table PL mediocrity (if lucky) and Pride of the Midlands (again, if lucky) - anything else is a BONUS  8)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on December 30, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
Pepe Mel was like putting diesel into a petrol car.  It doesn't work.

Most fans not old enough to have seen Albion PLAY Flair football were sick to death of the petrol cars they had seen for the last 10-15 years & were crying out to see the Diesel football of there fathers.

This is getting like a merry go round PM v AI but what i would say 100% is that PM had more fans backing him than AI ever had.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Most fans not old enough to have seen Albion PLAY Flair football were sick to death of the petrol cars they had seen for the last 10-15 years & were crying out to see the Diesel football of there fathers.

This is getting like a merry go round PM v AI but what i would say 100% is that PM had more fans backing him than AI ever had.
Don't disagree with any of that at all.

Problem is you either have to sell your car and buy an expensive new one or spend years changing the engine and other parts to get it to work with diesel and then you realise it only takes you from a to b anyway!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
Most fans not old enough to have seen Albion PLAY Flair football were sick to death of the petrol cars they had seen for the last 10-15 years & were crying out to see the Diesel football of there fathers.

This is getting like a merry go round PM v AI but what i would say 100% is that PM had more fans backing him than AI ever had.

Mel has been sacked from every job has had and but for a brief period at betis has failed miserably. The way some fans go on about him you'd think we got rid of Guardiola. In reality if he hasn't talked a good game and has been known to English football, no one would like or want him.

He seemed a nice man, but then so did Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 06:04:15 PM
Pepe Mel was like putting diesel into a petrol car.  It doesn't work.
It's interesting that those who've backed Irvine to the hilt all also seem to be as united in their derision of Pepe Mel. I really ought to check back to see if you were all as loyal towards Pepe when he was here as you've unflinchingly been to Irvine but, unfortunately, I can't be arsed!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:17:26 PM
It's interesting that those who've backed Irvine to the hilt all also seem to be as united in their derision of Pepe Mel. I really ought to check back to see if you were all as loyal towards Pepe when he was here as you've unflinchingly been to Irvine but, unfortunately, I can't be arsed!
No need, you will see I was supportive of him and at the time felt he was let down by the club. I haven't at any point derided him but I am also not naive enough to believe he was the chosen one and recognised that he was not going to fit in at the Albion. I have also pointed out the hypocrisy of the treatment afforded to him when compared to Irvine  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2014, 06:20:33 PM
No need, you will see I was supportive of him and at the time felt he was let down by the club. I haven't at any point derided him but I am also not naive enough to believe he was the chosen one and recognised that he was not going to fit in at the Albion. I have also pointed out the hypocrisy of the treatment afforded to him when compared to Irvine  ;)
I think the fact that the players appeared to get rid of Mel, made him a martyr far more than his performance.
The fact that these, mostly, overpaid primadonas could hold so much sway with our club, really stuck in our craw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 06:20:58 PM
Roberto Martinez
Gary Neville
Mark Lawrenson

Have all criticised the decision to sack Irvine.

No offence but I couldn't give a flying one about what they think, none of them care about what is best for WBA, Jeremy Peace does and the fans do and that is really all that matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
It's interesting that those who've backed Irvine to the hilt all also seem to be as united in their derision of Pepe Mel. I really ought to check back to see if you were all as loyal towards Pepe when he was here as you've unflinchingly been to Irvine but, unfortunately, I can't be arsed!

Is it really that difficult to comprehend that some people want whoever is in charge to be a success and not hold some petty agenda. 

Mind you saying that I do remember Aidan not liking Mel and championing Jol at every opportunity, sorry Aidan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 30, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
The job is yours you Nasty barsteward!  ;D

Ha ha!!! Yes I quite agree, just what we need.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
I have always rated Martin Jol very highly and if it wasn't for his lack of interest in football at the moment, i'd be getting him in ASAP.

I can see what your saying about me and my comments about Irvine and Pepe.
I liked Irvine a lot and I thought he was unlucky, but Mel by all accounts was out of his depth at the club, nice bloke of course.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:46:27 PM
I think the fact that the players appeared to get rid of Mel, made him a martyr far more than his performance.
The fact that these, mostly, overpaid primadonas could hold so much sway with our club, really stuck in our craw.
The players are the club's greatest asset, whether that be right or wrong is a different conversation. To replace a squad is significantly more difficult than changing a coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 06:57:50 PM
I have always rated Martin Jol very highly and if it wasn't for his lack of interest in football at the moment, i'd be getting him in ASAP.

I can see what your saying about me and my comments about Irvine and Pepe.
I liked Irvine a lot and I thought he was unlucky, but Mel by all accounts was out of his depth at the club, nice bloke of course.

So you Dont think Irvine was out of his depth?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 07:08:31 PM
I have always rated Martin Jol very highly and if it wasn't for his lack of interest in football at the moment, i'd be getting him in ASAP.

I can see what your saying about me and my comments about Irvine and Pepe.
I liked Irvine a lot and I thought he was unlucky, but Mel by all accounts was out of his depth at the club, nice bloke of course.

they are both nice blokes.
how was one unlucky and by who's account was mel out of his depth.  you do say all accounts so are there several.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 30, 2014, 07:17:10 PM
I don't care how nice of a bloke Irvine is, how respected he is as a coach, the fact is he deserved the sack for his awful team selections, poor results and poor performances. All of this "give him time to turn things around" is nonsence. He had a full pre season and we are now halfway through the season and he showed no signs of doing anything to improve us. I have to give Peace credit in being decisive in firing a manager he put a lot of backing behind. Hopefully this means he has realised the system needs revamping and we get in someone (Pulis) who knows how to win matches at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 07:22:34 PM
Brilliant comeback Aidan  ;D

Like yourself I have defended Irvine's cause in the hope he would be successful, many others on here have expressed their displeasure but vowed to support him during matches, fair play but there has been a sinister under current from a  proportion of West Brom fans both at games & on here, an agenda that meant AI would never be accepted, well you got your wish people, JP caved & now it's time for the next victim sorry Coach to take his place in the WBA hotseat/poison challis on a new one month rolling contract, pointless giving him anymore just incase the fans don't like him.

AND the worst thing to come out of it all.................... Jacko's back out of retirement..............again   ::)

 :-*

Yes Brilliant. Well done Aiden. How's Andre Marriner?

You know you've missed me DAMTCL.

Irvine was woeful. His demise inevitable. I can't believe the thread is still open. Say your goodbyes. Sounds like club are organising some sort of remembrance service for him based on an earlier tweet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
Andre is very well  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 30, 2014, 07:39:55 PM
:-*

Yes Brilliant. Well done Aiden. How's Andre Marriner?

You know you've missed me DAMTCL.

Irvine was woeful. His demise inevitable. I can't believe the thread is still open. Say your goodbyes. Sounds like club are organising some sort of remembrance service for him based on an earlier tweet.

Jacko, having you back is like a breath of stale air  8) now don't you go upsetting people  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
I have always rated Martin Jol very highly and if it wasn't for his lack of interest in football at the moment, i'd be getting him in ASAP.

I can see what your saying about me and my comments about Irvine and Pepe.
I liked Irvine a lot and I thought he was unlucky, but Mel by all accounts was out of his depth at the club, nice bloke of course.
Think you're just towing the club's line tbh. Sometimes you need to use your critical thinking skills and consider alternative explanations than those forced upon us by those at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 07:42:50 PM
Jacko, having you back is like a breath of stale air  8) now don't you go upsetting people  ;D

The new gaffer will do that when he picks Brunty every week  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
The new gaffer will do that when he picks Brunty every week  :D

As long as he keeps him out the centre I wouldn't be bothered  :-*

See more bite in a Chihuahua puppy  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 07:46:17 PM
As long as he keeps him out the centre I wouldn't be bothered  :-*

See more bite in a Chihuahua puppy  ;)

Vicious little b******s  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 30, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
When AI was appointed I was shocked right in the middle of an England International. A man I had not really heard of.
So googled him and thought well ok there must be something so get behind him.
He was out of his depth  the QPR game did it for me.
Wish him well but please can we get it sorted Mr Peace!!? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 10:53:15 PM
I hear he shed a few tears in the dressing room after the Stoke game.one things for sure he didn't deserve the verbal abuse.i hope he finds work in his comfort zone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:58:32 PM
I hear he shed a few tears in the dressing room after the Stoke game.one things for sure he didn't deserve the verbal abuse.i hope he finds work in his comfort zone
Christ, feel sorry for the bloke. Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:09:53 PM
Christ, feel sorry for the bloke. Where did you hear that?

John Cross wrote the story for the Mirror.

Unsurprisingly it was all over-exaggerated claiming Irvine received "shocking abuse" despite the fact it was Keith Downing who was the man who received the majority of the abuse from the away fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 11:11:16 PM
John Cross wrote the story for the Mirror.

Unsurprisingly it was all over-exaggerated claiming Irvine received "shocking abuse" despite the fact it was Keith Downing who was the man who received the majority of the abuse from the away fans.

Mirror eh !!! say no more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
John Cross wrote the story for the Mirror.

Unsurprisingly it was all over-exaggerated claiming Irvine received "shocking abuse" despite the fact it was Keith Downing who was the man who received the majority of the abuse from the away fans.
Yeah, I was there and right by the tunnel and he didn't get any "personal" abuse, just general booing. The only personal abuse was directed at Downing with "you dingle b*****d, get out of our club". Typical James Cross, pathetic "journalism".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 11:11:50 PM
I hear he shed a few tears in the dressing room after the Stoke game.one things for sure he didn't deserve the verbal abuse.i hope he finds work in his comfort zone

Thats not nice to hear.

Shame on Albion fans for the abuse he has suffered
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:12:10 PM
Thats not nice to hear.

Shame on Albion fans for the abuse he has suffered
See my above post.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 11:13:29 PM
Yeah, I was there and right by the tunnel and he didn't get any "personal" abuse, just general booing. The only personal abuse was directed at Downing with "you dingle b*****d, get out of our club". Typical James Cross, pathetic "journalism".
the blokes a knob and constantly writes bad reports about us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 11:13:42 PM
Thats not nice to hear.

Shame on Albion fans for the abuse he has suffered

He didn't get any verbal abuse. There were a few chants of sacked in the morning (started by the Stokies), you don't know what you're doing and thats it. All "abuse" was directed elsewhere. Whether the abuse is right or wrong is neither here nor there if reported inaccurately.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 11:18:36 PM
I hear he shed a few tears in the dressing room after the Stoke game.one things for sure he didn't deserve the verbal abuse.i hope he finds work in his comfort zone

I'd be crying too £750k a year.

No sympathy for the man, I don't care how upset he is. He's not suffered as much heartbreak (melodramatic I know) as he's caused imo.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
He didn't get any verbal abuse. There were a few chants of sacked in the morning (started by the Stokies), you don't know what you're doing and thats it. All "abuse" was directed elsewhere. Whether the abuse is right or wrong is neither here nor there if reported inaccurately.

True.

not nice to hear though if AI had shed some tears after the game probably knowing that he had lost the job there and then, along with the abuse dished out to Downing and Kelly.

I don't like to hear that going on, ultimately KD & RK have worked hard for this club even if it hasn't worked out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
True.

not nice to hear though if AI had shed some tears after the game probably knowing that he had lost the job there and then, along with the abuse dished out to Downing and Kelly.

I don't like to hear that going on, ultimately KD & RK have worked hard for this club even if it hasn't worked out.

I agree, no need for it and no I didn't join in before I get abused by some.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:26:46 PM
I'd be crying too £750k a year.

No sympathy for the man, I don't care how upset he is. He's not suffered as much heartbreak (melodramatic I know) as he's caused imo.
I wanted a new manager as much as anyone, but not sure this is fair. Although the money is a nice bonus, I don't for a second think that was the main reason for him taking the job. Imagine being offered your dream job (regardless of how much you may or may not have deserved it), being so hugely determined to get it right, putting in every last drop of effort you have in you, wanting to be liked by the fans, and genuinely wanting to take that club forward, and it ending like it did in the most brutal of fashions. Although he didn't help himself with team selections, (and I wanted him sacked for that reason), I can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Seems like a genuinely nice man- had it have been someone else, I probably wouldn't have cared (in fact I couldn't care less about the abuse for Downing, and wouldn't care if Kiely was abused either- it's much easier for them, hiding in the background). As I said, obviously wasn't the right man for the job- not a leader or a winner- and didn't have the record to justify him being offered it in the first place, but you're not human if you can't feel at least a bit of empathy for him after that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 01:19:42 AM
Mike graham of talk sport welcoming calls about the abuse of Alan Irvine. He's not happy and wants it stamped out in 2015. I feel it's being blown out of proportion  possibly. You folk there say there was no abuse towards him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on December 31, 2014, 01:55:12 AM
Mike graham of talk sport welcoming calls about the abuse of Alan Irvine. He's not happy and wants it stamped out in 2015. I feel it's being blown out of proportion  possibly. You folk there say there was no abuse towards him

Graham is winding me up with this wish I had Twatter.......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albion59 on December 31, 2014, 09:59:39 AM
True.

not nice to hear though if AI had shed some tears after the game probably knowing that he had lost the job there and then, along with the abuse dished out to Downing and Kelly.

I don't like to hear that going on, ultimately KD & RK have worked hard for this club even if it hasn't worked out.
I've been shedding tears everytime i have come out of the games this season!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
Mike graham of talk sport welcoming calls about the abuse of Alan Irvine. He's not happy and wants it stamped out in 2015. I feel it's being blown out of proportion  possibly. You folk there say there was no abuse towards him

Nothing like Talksport to make something out of nothing and then stir it a bit more is there.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 10:39:31 AM
Mike graham of talk sport welcoming calls about the abuse of Alan Irvine. He's not happy and wants it stamped out in 2015. I feel it's being blown out of proportion  possibly. You folk there say there was no abuse towards him

Shocking that a sports station employs this bloke, its pretty evident he doesn't really follow football just has a passing interest.

The abuse wasn't that personal for Irvine, as soon as the they scored a massive chant of 'sacked in the morning' went up and 'you don't know what your doing' etc but the more venomous stuff was aimed at Downing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: colinmax on December 31, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Why he had to go.
Our 10 outfield players against Stoke consisted of a back four which possibly would produce a goal from a set piece,5 midfielders and an unknown quantity playing up front.
Ignoring Sessegnon's pace because he is not a team player and he normally dribbles till he loses the ball or has a wild shot or centre we had 5 players with no pace,no reputation as a good ball winner or header of the ball and I believe none of them had scored more than 1 goal this season so how did AI expect us to score?
I absolve the players from blame because what were they expected to do?
At least some of these shortcomings may  have been solved by playing Blanco,Gamboa,Samaras and Varela.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 31, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
He got off lightly compared to Bobby Gould.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 31, 2014, 12:03:16 PM
I haven't commented on Irvine,s coaching ability only on his clear inability for tactical awareness and his overcautious nature to make change.

However I've been thinking about all the excuses for not playing players due to lack of fitness (or any other pathetic excuse)

Back in the day of small squads, the player was given painkilling injection and told to go out and play, a reserve would be told prior to the game "you're playing today" and the players got on with it.

If you couldn't last the full game, the sub (I believe only 1 plus goalkeeper) was called upon.


I think overall for Irvine it points to his over cautious approach, you can have too much statistical information, too many players - which gets in the way of good clear judgement.

Irvine's downfall - a coach with undoubted ability but not the necessary qualities to produce a successful team
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 31, 2014, 01:18:18 PM
Gillingham have sacked Peter Taylor - perhaps a position Alan Irvine may be more suited to! Not wishing to be disrespectful to AI in that he had spells at SWeds & PNE but this is probably better for him at this time - still feel he is a coach as opposed to a manager
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
Gillingham have sacked Peter Taylor - perhaps a position Alan Irvine may be more suited to! Not wishing to be disrespectful to AI in that he had spells at SWeds & PNE but this is probably better for him at this time - still feel he is a coach as opposed to a manager

I hope he finds a good job soon, top bloke. A man who worked long hours to do well here, he's certainly earned my respect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pointergeorge on December 31, 2014, 04:27:37 PM
The disgusting way our so called fans treated Alan Irvine, a great coach, leaves me in turmoil. Some years ago I sat in the Smethwick end and realised that was the pits.  I have supported the "Baggies" since 1953 and will forevermore. It is sickening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on December 31, 2014, 04:32:04 PM
The disgusting way our so called fans treated Alan Irvine, a great coach, leaves me in turmoil. Some years ago I sat in the Smethwick end and realised that was the pits.  I have supported the "Baggies" since 1953 and will forevermore. It is sickening.

Where is the proof he was a great coach? I agree with the you regarding the treatment he received after the Stoke game, however, was that not a signal to JP that  enough is enough!!   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie82 on December 31, 2014, 04:33:11 PM
Irvine had a fair chance and failed, nothing to do with the fans who were more than patient with him. Move on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
If you substituted "great" with "hard working and fully committed" then you might have a point.

The word "great" is used rafter too freely !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2014, 04:40:41 PM
The disgusting way our so called fans treated Alan Irvine, a great coach, leaves me in turmoil. Some years ago I sat in the Smethwick end and realised that was the pits.  I have supported the "Baggies" since 1953 and will forevermore. It is sickening.

I am saddened too but I still love the Albion. Every club has some low moments and I hope we now move forward.

Stick with the club you love george
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2014, 04:41:47 PM
Some years ago I sat in the Smethwick end and realised that was the pits.

Please enlighten us of your 'experience'.
It sounds as though it must have been truly traumatic.
Did you hear a naughty word?
 :o.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on December 31, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
It`s true that some of our fans never gave the bloke a chance from day one. It`s also my opinion after being amongst our fans at Stoke, that Downing was quickly taking over from AI as public enemy number 1. Terrible abuse for KD & mainly because he's had the misfortune to play for Wolves. Let`s remember that we`ve also got Jolson Lescott playing within earshot of those chants & he was probably squirming after hearing that.
Personally, I DID give AI my backing & sung his name in a positive way, from my position in the stand, & i`ll do the same for whoever takes the role on, it`s the club I support & not the individual.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
Where is the proof he was a great coach? I agree with the you regarding the treatment he received after the Stoke game, however, was that not a signal to JP that  enough is enough!!

What treatment after the Stoke game ?

He did not get the "shocking abuse" as falsely claimed in the Mirror by the reporter who was not even at the same game. The abuse at the end was aimed at Downing more than anyone.

All Irvine got was sacked in the morning (started by Stokies) and you don't know what you're doing. Thats it.

I backed him during games and sang his name despite not wanting him and in the main fans were very patient. The first time I heard anything towards him was at QPR
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 31, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
It`s true that some of our fans never gave the bloke a chance from day one. It`s also my opinion after being amongst our fans at Stoke, that Downing was quickly taking over from AI as public enemy number 1. Terrible abuse for KD & mainly because he's had the misfortune to play for Wolves. Let`s remember that we`ve also got Jolson Lescott playing within earshot of those chants & he was probably squirming after hearing that.
Personally, I DID give AI my backing & sung his name in a positive way, from my position in the stand, & i`ll do the same for whoever takes the role on, it`s the club I support & not the individual.
Good post well said. We don't know the full story as to what goes on for instance it has been said Downing kept us up as Mel was struggling?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
It`s true that some of our fans never gave the bloke a chance from day one. It`s also my opinion after being amongst our fans at Stoke, that Downing was quickly taking over from AI as public enemy number 1. Terrible abuse for KD & mainly because he's had the misfortune to play for Wolves. Let`s remember that we`ve also got Jolson Lescott playing within earshot of those chants & he was probably squirming after hearing that.
Personally, I DID give AI my backing & sung his name in a positive way, from my position in the stand, & i`ll do the same for whoever takes the role on, it`s the club I support & not the individual.

Its also a myth that Downing got abuse due to his Wolves connections, just because he got the Dingle Downing tag doesn't mean thats why he got some stick. The odd person may use that to beat him with but if it was purely down to playing for them lot he would have got it from day 1
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on December 31, 2014, 05:13:50 PM
This is getting very boring now.

The guy was a proven loser from day one, but at matches got the vocal support of the fans up until his last couple of games. What more do you want? A statue built for him because he's a "nice, hard working guy"?

Managers come and go, some of them are good, some of them are rubbish. Some of them are popular, some aren't. Get over it, move on - I'm sure he will with his next lucrative contract from a new employer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
What treatment after the Stoke game ?

He did not get the "shocking abuse" as falsely claimed in the Mirror by the reporter who was not even at the same game. The abuse at the end was aimed at Downing more than anyone.

All Irvine got was sacked in the morning (started by Stokies) and you don't know what you're doing. Thats it.

I backed him during games and sang his name despite not wanting him and in the main fans were very patient. The first time I heard anything towards him was at QPR
This argument is a bit like saying the Holocaust did not happen because you didn't happen to see it. I have no doubt it is blown out of proportion but there appear to be enough independent witnesses to say that it occurred.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 05:17:28 PM
This argument is a bit like saying the Holocaust did not happen because you didn't happen to see it. I have no doubt it is blown out of proportion but there appear to be enough independent witnesses to say that it occurred.

Well where we were there was no abuse to him and also others who sat in different areas also heard no abuse. The story comes from a journo who was covering QPR v Arsenal quite a few miles away.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on December 31, 2014, 05:21:39 PM
Lets see where he ends up shall we. I bet he doesn't get offered the top job at any club in the top 2 tiers. He'll be a no.2 or back to the academy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 05:21:43 PM
Irvine had a fair chance and failed, nothing to do with the fans who were more than patient with him. Move on.

I don't think he had a fair chance and he didn't fail as firstly he leaves us out the relegation zone and secondly he could have turned it around. Anyway this is my last post on Irvine I promise.  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
I don't think he had a fair chance and he didn't fail as firstly he leaves us out the relegation zone and secondly he could have turned it around. Anyway this is my last post on Irvine I promise.  :P

He had half the season and won 4 games. Not sure how you can say he would have turned it round, the signs didn't suggest anything of the sort.

Last post ? no chance  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
Irvine was never going to turn it around....he wasn't good enough too

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2014, 05:30:10 PM
I don't think he had a fair chance and he didn't fail as firstly he leaves us out the relegation zone and secondly he could have turned it around. Anyway this is my last post on Irvine I promise.  :P

He didn't fail? What? He will never get another managerial position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2014, 05:34:23 PM
he didn't fail..... ;D


he didn't succeed did he!!

as for turning it around his spells at both Preston and Sheff Weds beg to differ, he couldn't turn things around there either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 31, 2014, 05:35:43 PM
This argument is a bit like saying the Holocaust did not happen because you didn't happen to see it. I have no doubt it is blown out of proportion but there appear to be enough independent witnesses to say that it occurred.
This simply isn't true. I was at the game too, and can echo everything Oldbury, and others at the game have said. Seems to only be people who didn't go talking about this personal "abuse" Irvine supposedly suffered from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2014, 05:38:32 PM
This simply isn't true. I was at the game too, and can echo everything Oldbury, and others at the game have said. Seems to only be people who didn't go talking about this personal "abuse" Irvine supposedly suffered from.

I was also at the game.  Loud renditions of you're getting sacked in the morning after both goals. This after giving a great reception when they came out 2nd half. Then you don't know what you're doing when Sessegnon was substituted and loud booing as Irvine walked to the tunnel. Clear dissension but NOT abuse. That was reserved for Downing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on December 31, 2014, 05:42:35 PM
Was there a reason given for Kelly and not Downing giving the press conference ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 31, 2014, 06:00:55 PM
I too was at the Stoke game, my 6 penneth worth is that along with the 'sacked in the morning' & 'you don't know what you're doing' chants, I also heard a rendition (albeit by very few) of 'Irvine out" & there was also the obligatory booing (strange how the players were actually applauded  :-[ ), so to say he was or wasn't abused, would, I guess depend on the level of how easily offended you are, I personally just cringed.

I'm pretty sure the 'you dingle b*****d, get out of our club' was abuse aimed at Downing & his association to wolves.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 31, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
I think this appointment must go down as one of the worst the club have ever made, run close by Ron Wylie and the people who appointed him should appologise to him and the fans.
He never had a chance of success because he was completely out of his depth and the coaching staff were inept.
I wish him well in the future in what he does but cannot hide my delight he has gone from our club, we may still go down but with him we would definately have been relegated.
My last post💤
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
I too was at the Stoke game, my 6 penneth worth is that along with the 'sacked in the morning' & 'you don't know what you're doing' chants, I also heard a rendition (albeit by very few) of 'Irvine out" & there was also the obligatory booing (strange how the players were actually applauded  :-[ ), so to say he was or wasn't abused, would, I guess depend on the level of how easily offended you are, I personally just cringed.

I'm pretty sure the 'you dingle b*****d, get out of our club' was abuse aimed at Downing & his association to wolves.

So no shocking personal abuse then ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on December 31, 2014, 06:24:14 PM
I was also at the game.  Loud renditions of you're getting sacked in the morning after both goals. This after giving a great reception when they came out 2nd half. Then you don't know what you're doing when Sessegnon was substituted and loud booing as Irvine walked to the tunnel. Clear dissension but NOT abuse. That was reserved for Downing.
Yep, all correct.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 31, 2014, 06:25:49 PM
So no shocking personal abuse then ?

As I said depends on how easily offended you are, some very angry individuals giving it loads at the end, as helpfully highlighted by the BBC!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 31, 2014, 06:27:27 PM
Was there a reason given for Kelly and not Downing giving the press conference ?

Kelly is deemed 'in charge'. Though as Steve Madeley said it would have been poisonous of the club to put Downing in front of the press.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 06:34:18 PM
As I said depends on how easily offended you are, some very angry individuals giving it loads at the end, as helpfully highlighted by the BBC!

I'm not offended by anything to be honest (does help when you're moderating on here  :D )

Still no shocking abuse aimed at Irvine though mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 31, 2014, 06:55:10 PM
I'm not offended by anything to be honest (does help when you're moderating on here  :D )

Still no shocking abuse aimed at Irvine though mate.

To be honest, I'm not sure where the 'shocking abuse' comment originated, I reckon if it was that reporter who came out with it (who wasn't even at the game) he probably picked up on what's already been said on here & also saw those angry chappies at the end of the game vociferously aiming their displeasure in the direction of the coaching staff.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
To be honest, I'm not sure where the 'shocking abuse' comment originated, I reckon if it was that reporter who came out with it (who wasn't even at the game) he probably picked up on what's already been said on here & also saw those angry chappies at the end of the game vociferously aiming their displeasure in the direction of the coaching staff.

You mean a national tabloid made something out of nothing, never   :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on December 31, 2014, 08:34:06 PM
To be honest compared to Newcastle, Arsenal and West Ham ( last season) we are mild mannered and well behaved in the face of far worse results and performances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on January 01, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
I also need to add that I feel for Alan Irvine, who seemed to be real nice guy who was just out of his depth.

But in fairness he was never going to change anything with the structure and the coaching staff that were in place. I believe he did the best he could under the circumstances, but it just was not good enough. Life is not fair, and this league certainly isn't.

Some of the dross that still remains should take a cold hard look at themselves and do the honourable thing......before Tony does it for them.

Good luck Alan Irvine for the future.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on January 01, 2015, 05:27:40 PM
Martinez under pressure at Everton, job for Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2015, 05:30:03 PM
Wonder if Irvine has been stood in his back garden all afternoon staring at his watch?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 01, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Wonder if Irvine has been stood in his back garden all afternoon staring at his watch?

Do you think you'll be able to get over this 'Irvine complex' anytime soon  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on January 01, 2015, 05:37:02 PM
the thread should be closed and all reference to Alan Irvine deleted so we can forget the nightmare ever happened
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on January 01, 2015, 05:55:09 PM
the thread should be closed and all reference to Alan Irvine deleted so we can forget the nightmare ever happened
Well hopefully your crazy comment won't be the last word on it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 06:10:19 PM
I agree close the thread, irvines gone he tried and that's that, time to move on and hope pulis does better. no point in kicking a man when he's down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
Unfortunately his legacy lived on with today's team selection


However Pullis and his instructions and substitutions (particularly Jacob) saved a point for us that was the least we deserved ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 07:38:36 PM
Unfortunately his legacy lived on with today's team selection


However Pullis and his instructions and substitutions (particularly Jacob) saved a point for us that was the least we deserved ;)
When the 2nd Sub was made as I was working so not see all the game.The camera panned to Pulis and he said something another guy (his assistant) got up and the sub was made. So I think he was getting his feet in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on January 01, 2015, 09:33:55 PM
For the people banging on about the players loving irvine, 2 have already came out and supported pulis. Foster and brunt, shows to me they may just be told to be positive about the manager. Think foster put a dig into rob Kelly, irvine and downing today by saying that we weren't really looking to score and that's what pulis wants us to do by being more positive. Kind of shows me that we weren't very adventurous and the players know that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 01, 2015, 09:54:12 PM
For the people banging on about the players loving irvine, 2 have already came out and supported pulis. Foster and brunt, shows to me they may just be told to be positive about the manager. Think foster put a dig into rob Kelly, irvine and downing today by saying that we weren't really looking to score and that's what pulis wants us to do by being more positive. Kind of shows me that we weren't very adventurous and the players know that.

I have some sympathy for Irvine now he has gone, but, I have hated this season with the Albion, I was close to finishing my interest because it was too depressing, too boring and that coupled with the irritation of the greed league, left me turning to ambivalence to protect my well being.

I am rarely impressed with player comments, they are usually insincere because on the whole they are purely self serving individuals, their primary concern is maintaining a Premiership salary, so I did not buy any of their Irvine comments, the King is dead, long live the King.

I give JP some credit for recognising his mistake and taking the best corrective action available, hopefully the experiment with novice coaches is over, Irvine should never have been appointed, but at least he realised that and I suspect that we have been courting Pulis for a few weeks, behind the scenes. Irvine knew his time was up and his distress at Stoke showed he does not have a thick enough skin for management.

Irvine will return to coaching kids, he should remain in his comfort zone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 10:01:48 PM
I have some sympathy for Irvine now he has gone, but, I have hated this season with the Albion, I was close to finishing my interest because it was too depressing, too boring and that coupled with the irritation of the greed league, left me turning to ambivalence to protect my well being.

I am rarely impressed with player comments, they are usually insincere because on the whole they are purely self serving individuals, their primary concern is maintaining a Premiership salary, so I did not buy any of their Irvine comments, the King is dead, long live the King.

I give JP some credit for recognising his mistake and taking the best corrective action available, hopefully the experiment with novice coaches is over, Irvine should never have been appointed, but at least he realised that and I suspect that we have been courting Pulis for a few weeks, behind the scenes. Irvine knew his time was up and his distress at Stoke showed he does not have a thick enough skin for management.

Irvine will return to coaching kids, he should remain in his comfort zone.
Good post.I gave him time but was obvious to me he was no good! WBA fans and Everton said the same...was a car crash! Peace needs to stick with Pulis or he is feckked!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on January 02, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
So true, JP has re-kindled the longest living relationship in my life. Thanks Jezza.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on January 02, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
Wonder if Irvine has been stood in his back garden all afternoon staring at his watch?

......in his trackies winter coat and boots. Nice bloke very sincere but not tough enough or experienced enough at PL level. Never was going to be.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 05:21:23 PM
Was he a good coach? Undoubtedly
Was he meek? Definitely
Was he a good guy? Absolutely

Did he deserve to be humiliated? Absolutely NOT
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on January 02, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
I hope he get can a job in the Championship and prove that he's good enough to be the number one man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 02, 2015, 05:28:53 PM
Same, I'd like to see him do well in the Champo, he nearly got Preston up a few times.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 05:34:02 PM
I hope he get can a job in the Championship and prove that he's good enough to be the number one man.

To be honest mate, I hope he can get a job anywhere, I'm really disappointed that our supporters feel it's ok to ridicule, & to some extent humiliate a bloke who did his best even though he was clearly out of his depth.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on January 02, 2015, 06:01:21 PM
First of all good luck to Mr Irvine , if Tone does keep us then we have to thank Irvine for the 17 points. You coud see on his last interview he was upset and its not nice see. Felt for him tbh. A nice guy but out of depth but the guy no doubt put the hours in to make it work.No doubt he was a great coach but a motivator and tactical magian he was not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on January 02, 2015, 06:20:55 PM
I hope he get can a job in the Championship and prove that he's good enough to be the number one man.
I was very critical of his team selection, and that's what led me to wanting a new head coach (and a whole new coaching team), but he gave everything he had for us to be successful and seems like a genuinely decent man so I really hope he will be a success as a manager elsewhere too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 02, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Was he a good coach? Undoubtedly

I'm still looking forward to someone providing some evidence to back this up, as many people keep saying it but no-one can point at a single thing that Albion players showed on the pitch whilst he was here which indicates it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on January 02, 2015, 06:35:58 PM
I'm still looking forward to someone providing some evidence to back this up, as many people keep saying it but no-one can point at a single thing that Albion players showed on the pitch whilst he was here which indicates it.

Good point. Which players came on in leaps and bounds under Irvine? OK, tone it down a bit, which players showed significant improvement under Irvine? Or even less, which players showed any improvement under Irvine? And finally, which players seemed to go backwards under Irvine? The evidence doesn't show me that he was a "good coach" and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in what people say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
I usually don't read anything into players' interviews but some comments re: Pulis by Chris Brunt did jump out at me.

“I don’t think that there will be any grey areas with him, which is a good thing because having grey areas costs teams points in this league."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9628347/premier-league-chris-brunt-says-tony-pulis-is-perfect-fit-for-west-brom

It's conceivable that he wasn't referring specifically to Irvine and was talking about experiences and bad spells under Mowbray, RDM and Mel in the Premier League but it is very clear that he believes that their is the potential for the players to receive more detailed preparation and work on the training ground without being overwhelmed/worked and can only be aided, not restricted, by specific instructions on match days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 06:45:28 PM
Does it matter? Just let him go with some grace. Why do you feel the need to slaughter him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 07:11:40 PM
Does it matter? Just let him go with some grace. Why do you feel the need to slaughter him?

Just because people criticise does not mean they are slaughtering him. Its a forum to discuss things. Just because he has gone he can still be discussed just as other past managers and players have been and that won't change. You have a choice to ignore topics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
I usually don't read anything into players' interviews but some comments re: Pulis by Chris Brunt did jump out at me.

“I don’t think that there will be any grey areas with him, which is a good thing because having grey areas costs teams points in this league."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9628347/premier-league-chris-brunt-says-tony-pulis-is-perfect-fit-for-west-brom

It's conceivable that he wasn't referring specifically to Irvine and was talking about experiences and bad spells under Mowbray, RDM and Mel in the Premier League but it is very clear that he believes that their is the potential for the players to receive more detailed preparation and work on the training ground without being overwhelmed/worked and can only be aided, not restricted, by specific instructions on match days.

The exact same thing jumped out at me aswell whilst reading that Brunt interview.

I think the players had no idea what they were going out against half the time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2015, 08:16:30 PM
I hope he get can a job in the Championship and prove that he's good enough to be the number one man.

Very mean spirited of you. I wouldn't wish him on the fans of any other club... well maybe the Dingles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
I'm still looking forward to someone providing some evidence to back this up, as many people keep saying it but no-one can point at a single thing that Albion players showed on the pitch whilst he was here which indicates it.


Didn't Tony Pulis say this afternoon that we're not a million miles away.
I'm not expecting the style to change significantly, what I think Tony Pulis can bring to the club is the air of confidence that was lacking in Alan Irvine.
In my opinion, it's the drive that was missing, not the technical ability.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on January 02, 2015, 08:27:23 PM
It's amusing how so many fans are being nice about AI and sticking up for him now he's gone.

It's like when someone dies: Everyone ignores them or is nasty to them, moaning about them and stirring up trouble while they're alive, and then when they die it's all about what a wonderful person they were etc... It's ridiculous. 85% of fans wanted him gone, now he's gone there are so many comments saying how badly everyone treated him. Yes, the majority treated him with disdain so why suddenly are so many on his side?

When's this merry-go round going to end so we can move on?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on January 22, 2015, 01:11:01 PM
It appears that poor old Alan may have been right all along and that the players we were all clamouring for were not actually any good.
Pulis has come in and none of Varela, Gamboa, Samaras, Ideye or Blanco have had any more game time than under Irvine, with most, if not all, likely to be shipped out.
Looks like he was right royally stitched up by our shoddy recruitment department.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: collins101 on January 22, 2015, 01:15:54 PM
Agreed but Pulis seems to be finding a way to grind positive results out which I'm not sure Irvine would have got.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 22, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
I think this is another difference between Irvine and Pulis. Pulis seems to have made it clear he wants to take more of a decisive role, Irvine was happy with his level of involvement…

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-alan-irvine-still-8237615
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on January 22, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
Pulis is the first manager since Hodson who has managed the players and not the other way around
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 01:46:27 PM
It appears that poor old Alan may have been right all along and that the players we were all clamouring for were not actually any good.
Pulis has come in and none of Varela, Gamboa, Samaras, Ideye or Blanco have had any more game time than under Irvine, with most, if not all, likely to be shipped out.
Looks like he was right royally stitched up by our shoddy recruitment department.

Probably right, we had a chaotic recruitment exercise and appointed an inexperienced [at the Premiership] head coach. What could possibly go wrong??????

Whilst I am pleased that he has gone, I do have a certain amount of sympathy for him....he was done like kipper........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on January 22, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
It appears that poor old Alan may have been right all along and that the players we were all clamouring for were not actually any good.
Pulis has come in and none of Varela, Gamboa, Samaras, Ideye or Blanco have had any more game time than under Irvine, with most, if not all, likely to be shipped out.
Looks like he was right royally stitched up by our shoddy recruitment department.
I partly blame Irvine for some of those players , he checked with Lennon over Samaras and I read he watched Gamboa at the World Cup. In fairness Varela came injured but was said to be fit weeks before he made the bench , Brown to me just looks like a forward hugely low on confidence which isn't a surprise being as he didn't really get a fair run . I'm not saying they were great buys but it's hard to judge them in our shirts when they barely played.As we know Irvine stuck with the same old !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on January 22, 2015, 02:14:53 PM
Irvine knew fully well what he was signing up for, same as Pepe Mel.

Clearly the summer signings weren't ideal, however that still doesn't explain the constant absence of Mulumbu and Yacob, and for a good part McAuley wasn't used either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on January 23, 2015, 10:54:53 AM
Irvine knew fully well what he was signing up for, same as Pepe Mel.

Clearly the summer signings weren't ideal, however that still doesn't explain the constant absence of Mulumbu and Yacob, and for a good part McAuley wasn't used either.
Not defending him, I'm glad he's gone, just highlighting how shoddy our summer recruitment was.
Pulis is already getting more out of the same shoddy bunch and that is the major difference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on January 23, 2015, 11:54:28 AM
Think we saw enough of Varela to know that he had some class and ability - he just wasn't fit (he did have an Op remember) until just before Christmas......clearly Pulis has decided he'd prefer a different type.

Gamboa also clearly has ability but just doesn't fit the Pulis method either.

What's happened is the very thing that the director of football model is supposed to avoid.....players being purchased which are then unsuitable when a new manager comes in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on January 23, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
Think we saw enough of Varela to know that he had some class and ability - he just wasn't fit (he did have an Op remember) until just before Christmas......clearly Pulis has decided he'd prefer a different type.

Gamboa also clearly has ability but just doesn't fit the Pulis method either.

What's happened is the very thing that the director of football model is supposed to avoid.....players being purchased which are then unsuitable when a new manager comes in.

Well, if we get sign some utterly desperate attempts this window, what will happen is the other thing to avoid, namely we clog the system with Warm Expensive Bodies so we can't get decent players in in the summer. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ashdoy on January 23, 2015, 02:33:40 PM
As mentioned previously; AI did have involvement with signings.

I know for a fact he identified Davidson, Gamboa, Blanco, Baird & Lescott as players he wanted.

The club wanted Riviere but he opted for Newcastle, so we settled for Ideye.

Not all is as cut and dry as "Head Coach has no say" or "Only our Technical Director signs players". They all have a say, all sit around a table, and all discuss & agree/disagree.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on April 01, 2015, 10:06:09 AM
Irvine still sore about West Brom exit

Former West Brom head coach Alan Irvine says that he is still sore about his exit and that a number of his players have got in touch to tell him they let him down.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9783904/irvine-still-sore-about-west-brom-exit (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9783904/irvine-still-sore-about-west-brom-exit)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on April 01, 2015, 10:20:08 AM
He's right to be sore in my opinion, he should have been given more time and it's a shame he wasn't given that chance. I think Peace wouldn't have been so hasty if the supporters hadn't of turned. I hope Alan gets a job in management in the Championship because I think he's more than capable of managing at that level and eventually Premier League. Top coach, top man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
Funny how those players that were all lining up to back him while he was in charge have all changed their tune and have come out since with comments along the lines of how things are now more organised etc.

Peace was not hasty at all, he saw how it was going and changed it just as he did with others before Irvine.

He was out of his depth and should never have been given the job. in the first place.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nathan on April 01, 2015, 10:32:31 AM
He's right to be sore in my opinion, he should have been given more time and it's a shame he wasn't given that chance. I think Peace wouldn't have been so hasty if the supporters hadn't of turned. I hope Alan gets a job in management in the Championship because I think he's more than capable of managing at that level and eventually Premier League. Top coach, top man.

I think the trouble was, a lot of our support had actually turned against his appointment on day 1 before a ball was kicked! He was always on a hiding to nothing and both he and JP knew that. It was unfortunately inevitable that he would go after the first set of uncomfortable results. As you say though,it is perfectly understandable for him to be feeling sore. Irvine does appear to be a really genuine, honest, nice bloke and I hope that he does succeed somewhere in the not to distant future.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
He should never have been appointed in the first place, the biggest blunder on a major scale.Even he knew he wasnt up to it so he should never have taken it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 10:46:09 AM
Nice bloke, but was not good enough!  You only have to look at how Pulis has turned us around in such a short space of time to show that Irvine wasnt up to the job. Add in the fact he failed at Preston and Sheff Weds and it doesnt really point to someone who will be a successful manager.

Yes he took a lot of stick, some of which may have been unfair, but I think the fans had just had enough of failings throughout the whole club - unfortunately, Irvine took the brunt (no pun!!!) of that. However, he had to go...the writing was on the wall, and we were heading in one direction!

The players probably liked him, and why not - he comes across as a decent man, but that doesnt mean he was the right man for the job!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 10:47:59 AM
He should never have been appointed in the first place, the biggest blunder on a major scale.Even he knew he wasnt up to it so he should never have taken it

I agree he wasnt good enough and shouldnt have been appointed, but to say he shouldnt have taken it is ridiculous in my opinion. If you got offered a high paid job and got the chance to prove yourself, would you not take it!?! Whos to say he knew he wasnt up to it - I very much doubt he thinks that!

The fault lies with the club for appointing him!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 10:53:17 AM
failed as a manager wherever he has been, the bloke is delusional thinking he was going to be a success certainly at this level. Stick to coaching the kids Al
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 10:55:45 AM
failed as a manager wherever he has been, the bloke is delusional thinking he was going to be a success certainly at this level. Stick to coaching the kids Al

So you would have turned the job down if you were in his shoes?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 01, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
I remember his time with fondness, like when we used to have shots on goal when playing away, ah the memories
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
He's right to be sore in my opinion, he should have been given more time and it's a shame he wasn't given that chance. I think Peace wouldn't have been so hasty if the supporters hadn't of turned. I hope Alan gets a job in management in the Championship because I think he's more than capable of managing at that level and eventually Premier League. Top coach, top man.

The supporters turned because the results were not forthcoming and the football in the most part was dire.
As many have said he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place, but no blame attached to him for accepting it.
He should be over the moon instead of sore. On 'gardening leave' until December drawing a nice pay packet every week.
Football must be the only industry where abject failure is so handsomely rewarded.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stokelad84 on April 01, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
Irvine would have been silly to turn down the job. Premier League jobs are highly sought after both financially and for their career prospects. He's still getting paid until the end of December, so he will be in no rush to find a new job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 12:08:52 PM
The supporters turned because the results were not forthcoming and the football in the most part was dire.


Looking forward to after our next two home games.  ???

(and to turn would suggest that you had supported him from the start, which wasn't the case for lots of people on here  ;))
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on April 01, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
The dark days of the Irvine era. "Shudders"   :-X    Being nice was his problem the players loved him. Bit like having a supply teacher at school you have it easy. Still can't believe people on here wanted to give him more time but yet bash a proven manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2015, 12:20:00 PM
Looking forward to after our next two home games.  ???

(and to turn would suggest that you had supported him from the start, which wasn't the case for lots of people on here  ;))


Pat yourself on the back mate if it makes you feel better.

I didn't want him, I was prepared to give him a chance and did that but he was not upto the job and should never have got it. Lets see who comes calling for him when his gardening pay packs up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
Looking forward to after our next two home games.  ???

(and to turn would suggest that you had supported him from the start, which wasn't the case for lots of people on here  ;))

There's a big difference between 'wanting' him here and 'supporting him'. I, like many others I imagine, did not want him here, but got behind him until the point when it became clear he wasnt up to the job!

Surely our home performances and results point to the fact we were underperforming under Irvine!?! Or is it that Pulis is overachieving??? Either way it suggests we have made the right call in getting rid of someone who has failed in all managerial roles (Head Coach in our instance) and replaced him with someone who knows how to win!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on April 01, 2015, 12:30:29 PM
There's a big difference between 'wanting' him here and 'supporting him'. I, like many others I imagine, did not want him here, but got behind him until the point when it became clear he wasnt up to the job!

Surely our home performances and results point to the fact we were underperforming under Irvine!?! Or is it that Pulis is overachieving??? Either way it suggests we have made the right call in getting rid of someone who has failed in all managerial roles (Head Coach in our instance) and replaced him with someone who knows how to win!
Apart from away games. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
I have to admit I struggle with the "I'm on gardening leave and will get bored / frustrated"  line.

Get another job then !!  WBAFC will be only too happy to get you off the wage list, I'm sure.

At least have the integrity to say,
"I am now on a right cushy number until the end of the year and I will take WBAFC for as much as possible, despite how much i love the club , fans and players."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 12:35:28 PM
Apart from away games. ;)

True...maybe next season!!!  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
Pat yourself on the back mate if it makes you feel better.

I didn't want him, I was prepared to give him a chance and did that but he was not upto the job and should never have got it. Lets see who comes calling for him when his gardening pay packs up.

The point I have been trying to make is how distorted the reaction is between Pulis and Irvine. By the end of the season I can foresee us having 5 or (hopefully) 6 league victories under Pulis and we had 5 under Irvine. Our worst league performances have arguably come under Pulis away and yet he is continued to be worshipped almost as a genius and Irvine as an incompetent.

Irvine's history has been held against him but how often did Pulis fail at lower league teams before he found some success at Stoke (which he got dismissed from the first time and spent two years unemployed) and how many times has he left clubs "under a cloud" (his transfer policy being called into question at both Stoke and Palace).

TP is our coach but he isn't, for me, a significant improvement over Irvine but I believe the team will stay in the Premier League under him (as I still believe we would have under Irvine too.. Leicester, QPR, Sunderland and Burnley are not as good as we were/are under either coach)


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
The point I have been trying to make is how distorted the reaction is between Pulis and Irvine. By the end of the season I can foresee us having 5 or (hopefully) 6 league victories under Pulis and we had 5 under Irvine. Our worst league performances have arguably come under Pulis away and yet he is continued to be worshipped almost as a genius and Irvine as an incompetent.

Irvine's history has been held against him but how often did Pulis fail at lower league teams before he found some success at Stoke (which he got dismissed from the first time and spent two years unemployed) and how many times has he left clubs "under a cloud" (his transfer policy being called into question at both Stoke and Palace).

TP is our coach but he isn't, for me, a significant improvement over Irvine but I believe the team will stay in the Premier League under him (as I still believe we would have under Irvine too.. Leicester, QPR, Sunderland and Burnley are not as good as we were/are under either coach)

I'm bad! Counted a cup game in his league victories! Doh.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
Anyone who thinks Irvine would have kept us up , i wont say the word, you know what i mean
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on April 01, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
Terrible appointment which smacked of taking the cheap option to me.  Was never going to work and most of us knew it.   I feel far more comfortable with Pulis in charge although the away performances are worse than under Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 01, 2015, 01:05:40 PM
I accepted that Irvine was the manager, even if it was a totally uninspiring choice.  I managed to muster some apathy for Irvine, but I never felt as if I wanted to support him... even after we beat the vile.  He didn't have experience you could invest your confidence in or a WBA record to make me want to jump on his bandwagon.  I was glad that he was replaced with a superior model, as I think we'd be much closer to the relegation battle if not directly involved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
The point I have been trying to make is how distorted the reaction is between Pulis and Irvine. By the end of the season I can foresee us having 5 or (hopefully) 6 league victories under Pulis and we had 5 under Irvine. Our worst league performances have arguably come under Pulis away and yet he is continued to be worshipped almost as a genius and Irvine as an incompetent.

Irvine's history has been held against him but how often did Pulis fail at lower league teams before he found some success at Stoke (which he got dismissed from the first time and spent two years unemployed) and how many times has he left clubs "under a cloud" (his transfer policy being called into question at both Stoke and Palace).

TP is our coach but he isn't, for me, a significant improvement over Irvine but I believe the team will stay in the Premier League under him (as I still believe we would have under Irvine too.. Leicester, QPR, Sunderland and Burnley are not as good as we were/are under either coach)

Pulis has a proven track record in this league, Irvine has no track record at all.

Shows how desperate we were that a bloke I would guess at 99% of us have slated for years is the best option to come in and sort the mess out left behind by Irvine and co (others have played a part as well) and he has sorted plenty out in that short space of time.

He is a massive improvement on Irvine and some of the football we have played has been the best we have played for a long while especially this season. Away games are not great but he has got us out of the hole and looking secure to stay up whereas under Irvine we were desperate and going one way. No we were not in the bottom three when he left but we were heading there 7 defeats  in 9 games was it ? and no idea how to address it.

I have never been a Pulis fan but it needed someone "like" him to come in and sort the mess out and so far he has done what has been needed.

I saw Legend another in the Irvine fan club state he hopes a Championship club come in for him. We are not in that league and have not been for a few years so why if he is now at a Championship level was he ever considered able enough for this level given his previous failures ?

As Kris said he was a cheap option and followed on from a few other cheap options, somewhere along the line you have to break away from that mould, hopefully we have now done so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stanthesetter on April 01, 2015, 01:55:43 PM
I always get nervous when players say how much they LIKE the manager, as did several players under AI.
Ben Foster mentioned after TP appointment that they wouldn't get away with anything now. (that implies they did before).
i always get behind any manager that leads our team, although, i felt there were occasions when the team looked amateurish under AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on April 01, 2015, 01:57:27 PM
I remember his time with fondness, like when we used to have shots on goal when playing away, ah the memories
Like Swansea away when we literally didn't have a shot on target? Or Newcastle and Everton at home when we got steam rolled?

Short memory...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 01, 2015, 02:17:35 PM
Like Swansea away when we literally didn't have a shot on target? Or Newcastle and Everton at home when we got steam rolled?

Short memory...

It was tongue in cheek mate.  My memory is fine ta.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 02:21:56 PM
Like Swansea away when we literally didn't have a shot on target? Or Newcastle and Everton at home when we got steam rolled?

Short memory...
Swansea Away : 16 shots,  2 on target (which granted isn't great)

Man City, Villa, Sunderland away: 11 shots, 2 on target.

Ineffective memory....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on April 01, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
Swansea Away : 16 shots,  2 on target (which granted isn't great)

Man City, Villa, Sunderland away: 11 shots, 2 on target.

Ineffective memory....
Difference is, we got 1 point at Sunderland, Man City was always a loss.
We also wouldn't have lost to Everton, West Ham, Newcastle at home. Irvine is currently jobless, Pulis is in great demand, I think that says it all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 01, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
Difference is, we got 1 point at Sunderland, Man City was always a loss.
We also wouldn't have lost to Everton, West Ham, Newcastle at home. Irvine is currently jobless, Pulis is in great demand, I think that says it all.

As much as I agree Pulis probably would have fared better against those opposition, there's no guarantee we 'wouldn't have lost'. Everton game especially was a Jonas Olsson error for the first goal and Foster for the second - errors not attributable to anyone else but the players on the pitch - two players Pulis probably would have played in that game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 02:51:25 PM
Bit of context.

Only twice have we registered no shots on target in an away game this season.

Man City and Everton.

Irvine picked up 7 points away from home in 6 games of which 4 out of the 6 teams played are currently in the top 7.
Pulis has picked up 4 points away from home in 6 games (giving him West Ham) of which 3 out of the 6 teams are currently in the bottom five and only 1 in the top 7.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on April 01, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
Fair point on our away games under Pulis so far but i for one won't forget the dire , pathetic , dull , lifeless home games under Irvine either ...Newcastle and Everton spring to mind . At the very least Pulis has got us playing at home (touch wood for Saturday ) , Irvine was a nice bloke playing top flight fantasy football with our side ...hand on heart could anybody see us beating Hull ,Swansea ,West Ham , Southampton and Stoke with him still in charge ? .
Overall for me it was painful to see him struggle , i wish him well and don't blame him too much as i blame JP and the board for taking the cheap option employing him after he had failed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2015, 03:02:49 PM
Bit of context.

Only twice have we registered no shots on target in an away game this season.

Man City and Everton.

Irvine picked up 7 points away from home in 6 games of which 4 out of the 6 teams played are currently in the top 7.
Pulis has picked up 4 points away from home in 6 games (giving him West Ham) of which 3 out of the 6 teams are currently in the bottom five and only 1 in the top 7.

You can quote stuff like this all day to be honest but it bears little relevance unless you look further into details of games. For instance Burnley who we beat 4-0 were without a number of first choice players including both of their usual central midfielders. We also beat Spurs down there and yes we fully deserved it but also at a time when they were getting beat most Sundays after a European game for some reason.

Stats can be manipulated in many ways.

Anyone can see we are a much better and more organised outfit with an experienced bloke in charge than we ever were at any stage of this season under the previous regime.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
Bit of context.

Only twice have we registered no shots on target in an away game this season.

Man City and Everton.

Irvine picked up 7 points away from home in 6 games of which 4 out of the 6 teams played are currently in the top 7.
Pulis has picked up 4 points away from home in 6 games (giving him West Ham) of which 3 out of the 6 teams are currently in the bottom five and only 1 in the top 7.

Would you like to compare the home games/performances?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 03:06:46 PM
Pulis is in great demand, I think that says it all.
Pulis has also been an unemployed coach for about a year of the last 24 months (not on gardening leave either  ;))


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 03:10:32 PM
Would you like to compare the home games/performances?
If you want  :-*

Irvine 6 points at home from 6 matches. Two teams in top 4, four teams in bottom half (2 in bottom 4)
Pulis 12 points at home from 5 matches. Three teams in top 8, 1 in bottom 6.

Heaviest home defeat under Pulis (Tottenham), Biggest home win under Irvine (Burnley)

Remember, I am not particularly aiming to knock Pulis (I dislike his methods and football philosophy and will not be hypocritical about that but support him as our coach) and enjoyed the performance against Stoke as much as I was disappointed with the performance against Tottenham.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 01, 2015, 03:16:21 PM
Pulis has also been an unemployed coach for about a year of the last 24 months (not on gardening leave either  ;))

Left Stoke May 2013, joined Palace November 2013, left them in August 2014 and was unable to take a job until January 1st due to his contract at Palace so was actually out of work and available for what 6 months or so.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 01, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
If you want  :-*

Go ahead...also compare their win percentages!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on April 01, 2015, 03:24:52 PM
Whether for or against his appointment, I don't think anybody saw it coming.

Whether for or against his sacking, I think pretty much everbody saw it coming.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 03:28:30 PM
Go ahead...also compare their win percentages!
Already had the apples and pears argument.    :) We can compare win percentages at the end of the season.  ;)

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 03:31:59 PM
All i can say is thank christ he aint here anymore we would have got relegated twice most likely
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 01, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Whether for or against his appointment, I don't think anybody saw it coming.

Whether for or against his sacking, I think pretty much everbody saw it coming.
Wasn't a surprise at all and was probably the correct move, because without the crowd behind you it is usually a losing battle you are fighting.  Current England manager failed to turn the crowd around at Liverpool who made their mind up before a ball was kicked and ended up getting sacked (inevitably).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on April 01, 2015, 03:40:47 PM
Wasn't a surprise at all and was probably the correct move, because without the crowd behind you it is usually a losing battle you are fighting.  Current England manager failed to turn the crowd around at Liverpool who made their mind up before a ball was kicked and ended up getting sacked (inevitably).

Gordon Strachan must be veritably shaking in his sporran.
 :).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on April 01, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
Irvine and Pulis will both have contributed to keeping us in the Premier League if we do stay up, so for that he deserves credit as well as beating the Villa. This will be my last post on Irvine but I hope in his next job he gets the support and respect from the fans then maybe he'll have half a chance.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 03:49:06 PM
Who ever gives irvine a job as an head coach will be very brave indeed. He is best suited behind the sceens at Everton where they love him.
I will bet you whatever he wont get another job has a head again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on April 01, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
The man failed before, he failed with us and I wouldn't be surprised if he failed again. The sight of him makes me shudder as it was such a terrible, divisive time to support the baggies and the man is simply not a leader nor has the ability to be the figurehead of such a fantastic club. Pulis has galvanised the club in a short space of time and is simply  in a different league to AI as a head coach/ manager/ bottle washer (premier league or otherwise).  The win % are interesting to me and all that matters in terms of staying up and progressing as a club. You could argue Pulis has had less ability to influence the squad than others too considering he only a short window to change things;

WBA career win % comparison with other recent WBA Head Coaches/ Managers;
Tony Mowbray 41%
RDM 46%
Roy 37%
Steve Clarke 31%
Pepe Mel (Downing and Kiely) 17%
Alan Irvine 22%
Tony Pulis 50%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on April 01, 2015, 04:06:30 PM
As a coach and a person, I'd say AI is a top bloke. I liked him and supported him 100% during his tenure with the Albion.

But a manger he isn't unfortunately and as much as I would have said to give him more time, I think the deeper in the mire we would have ended up had he been in charge longer.

Nobody could have, with any real certainty, predicted how it would have turned out  one way or the other had AI been given more time, but one thing is for sure right now and that is we are in 14th place and 8 points clear of the relegation zone, that's fact and I'll take that at this stage of the season.

I hope AI finds a posistion back in football soon, there is a place for a man with his skill set.

We needed a strong character at the helm and we now have that in TP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on April 01, 2015, 04:08:26 PM
He should never have been appointed in the first place, the biggest blunder on a major scale.Even he knew he wasnt up to it so he should never have taken it

Can you really begrudge a man who is used to lower wages with Sheffield Wednesday and Preston for joining a premier league club? I agree he shouldn't of been appointed in the first place but I don't think you can.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 01, 2015, 05:49:21 PM

Irvine and Pulis will both have contributed to keeping us in the Premier League if we do stay up, so for that he deserves credit as well as beating the Villa. This will be my last post on Irvine but I hope in his next job he gets the support and respect from the fans then maybe he'll have half a chance.  :-X

I don't think he had a fair chance and he didn't fail as firstly he leaves us out the relegation zone and secondly he could have turned it around. Anyway this is my last post on Irvine I promise.  :P

They have a round on Fighting Talk called 'Defend the Indefensible'.  I think you'd be good, but VVV has more stats...  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on April 01, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
Can you really begrudge a man who is used to lower wages with Sheffield Wednesday and Preston for joining a premier league club? I agree he shouldn't of been appointed in the first place but I don't think you can.
no is the answer to that, but it was a stupid appointment and one I will never understand, with such a poor track record it bordered on insanity to give him the head coach role of a premiership team that struggled the previous season and needed a team rebuild, it was like building a ship out of sand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 01, 2015, 06:30:19 PM
Whilst I agree that certain individuals let Irvine down there is no denying that we are a much better outfit under Tony Pulis now. This current side has a bit of backbone and organisation amongst them. Irvine's sides towards the end of his tenure felt like a team who were happy to have comfortable possession but when it came to doing the nitty gritty would more often than not fold.

He should never have been appointed in the first place - he has no great record to speak of in any division and to throw him into the Premier League was unfair but it worryingly says a lot about our hierachy's decision making. I saw quite a bit of Irvine's Sheffield Wednesday side and I was hoping that when he joined he would have learned a lot and moved on but unfortunately his side still remain clueless at breaking sides down, were incredibly rigid with his obsession with central midfielders and often rolled over under pressure.

The Irvine experiment should serve as a reminder to Jeremy Peace - if you're serious about stopping in this division then you're going to need to pay the going rate for good managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Simple statistical answer is
Pulis manages home games
Irvine manages away games

result = champions league !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2015, 06:02:52 PM
for all of you Alan Irvine supporters you can hear him on Taklsport between 6-7
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on April 02, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
for all of you Alan Irvine supporters you can hear him on Taklsport between 6-7

Should be a good listen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KingKoren on April 02, 2015, 06:25:57 PM
When he left we had 16 points from 17 games I think. Not horrendous and probably enough to keep us up if we continued in a similar fashion. With his reputation he needed to be excelling but he was going close to okayish points wise which wasn't enough for people to have confidence in him. With someone like Pulis available it was really a no brainer to change. Deserved better treatment from some fans even if there perceptions of him being out of his depth were correct, he was a dignified man and worked hard to attempt to succeed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on April 02, 2015, 07:01:59 PM
I was shocked as many were when he was appointed but for obvious reasons wanted him to succeed. But the truth was he should not have been given the job in the first place. Good Luck to him in his next venture.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on April 03, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
He made a comment about his future in that he said he had never applied for a job in the past and wasn't going to start now. Interesting in that it would appear in that statement he did not apply for the WBA job! Therefore he must have been approached by us directly. I thought he may have had to apply for a job to manage in the Premier League!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on April 03, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
I am sure that I read somewhere at the time, that Alan Irvine was recommended by Terry Burton.

The article itself was an extract from an interview with JP, where he expressed initial surprise at the recommendation himself, but stated he was impressed by AI during the consequent interview process.
Cannot find the link though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on April 06, 2015, 09:13:07 AM
On sky this morning soccer extra 10.30
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on April 06, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
I watched it and it was good to see Alan back talking football. He spoke about how Preston fans ask when he's going back to them which I thought was nice as they still hold him in high regard.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on April 06, 2015, 01:51:09 PM
http://footytweets.com/wba/news/157837 (http://footytweets.com/wba/news/157837)

Alan Irvine shocked by transition from coach to manager at West Brom

Former West Brom manager Alan Irvine has revealed the transition from first-team coach to manager shocked him during his brief spell at the Hawthorns.

Irvine left his coaching role under Roberto Martinez at Everton in June 2014 to replace Pepe Mel as manager at Albion - his third managerial role but first in the top division, in a 21-year coaching career that also included an spells in charge of Preston and Sheffield Wednesday.

Three consecutive defeats over the Christmas period, coupled with just four Premier League wins in total, saw his tenure cut short just 22 games into the season.

And, speaking on a special Easter Monday episode of Goals on Sunday, Irvine admitted he was surprised by the difference between the role of assistant and manager at the top level.

“I spent a long time in coaching and as an assistant before I became a manager,” he told Soccer Extra. “I honestly thought I knew what the job would be like.

“I had five-and-a-half years as David Moyes’ assistant; I worked really closely with him during that time. I worked as a first team coach at Newcastle United under Kenny Dalglish.

“I was a youth team coach and an academy director, and I thought if anybody knew what was coming next it would be me. But you don’t know until you sit in the chair.

“It’s a real shock when you actually go and do it. All of a sudden you’re the person everybody wants. Everything comes to you and you get dragged from pillar to post.

“There are times when you feel as though you can’t actually concentrate on the job that you’re trying to do. That was one of the things that were better at West Brom, the set up there allowed me to focus just on the football.”

West Brom replaced Irvine with former Crystal Palace and Stoke City manager Tony Pulis, as they tried to secure their Premier League status

And Irvine confirmed he left the club on good terms and was confident they would avoid the drop.

“I had a great time and I was obviously disappointed when it came to an end,” he added. “But these things happen.

“The chairman said to me ‘we really appreciate what you’ve done’ and ‘we think the way that you’ve worked is the way we would want a manager to work’.

“But it comes down to small margins, and there were small margins. We just happened to be in a spell where we had a run of very difficult games.

“If you look at the results Tony has had now, there’s not a lot of difference. But I’ve said all along West Brom would be good enough to stay up and I still believe that.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 06, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
Listening to him, it was obvious the summer recruiting was again a absolute shambles. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on April 06, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
Listening to him, it was obvious the summer recruiting was again a absolute shambles.



Terry BUrton out ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on April 06, 2015, 06:29:42 PM
When he left we had 16 points from 17 games I think. Not horrendous and probably enough to keep us up if we continued in a similar fashion. With his reputation he needed to be excelling but he was going close to okayish points wise which wasn't enough for people to have confidence in him. With someone like Pulis available it was really a no brainer to change. Deserved better treatment from some fans even if there perceptions of him being out of his depth were correct, he was a dignified man and worked hard to attempt to succeed.

After the Stoke away game we had 18 points from 20 games (which would give us 34 points after 38 games)
Under TP we have picked up 15 points in 11 games (which would put us on 51 points after 38 games) So how can their records be similar?  Pulis is far ahead of Irvine on points gained from games played.     
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2015, 07:53:59 PM


Terry BUrton out ?

Surely his position is untenable

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on April 06, 2015, 09:37:39 PM
Surely his position is untenable

Wasn't he newly appointed (at end of last season)as well ??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on April 07, 2015, 04:44:53 PM
After the Stoke away game we had 18 points from 20 games (which would give us 34 points after 38 games)
Under TP we have picked up 15 points in 11 games (which would put us on 51 points after 38 games) So how can their records be similar?  Pulis is far ahead of Irvine on points gained from games played.   

Pulis games have been against far easier opposition though. Irvine played pretty much every team in the league whilst Pulis still has to play Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Lets say we get 4 points from our remaining games which would come from a win against Leicester and a point at either Newcastle or Palace (obviously we don't know what will happen but I think 4 points is a pretty realistic projection, especially with Pulis approaches to away games)

That gives Pulis a total of 19 from 18 games which whilst enough to keep is up is nowhere near the 51 points you project.

The points we have got so far from the games we have played is pretty much the minimum you would expect from those games across a season in order to stay up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on April 08, 2015, 12:40:53 PM
Pulis games have been against far easier opposition though. Irvine played pretty much every team in the league whilst Pulis still has to play Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Lets say we get 4 points from our remaining games which would come from a win against Leicester and a point at either Newcastle or Palace (obviously we don't know what will happen but I think 4 points is a pretty realistic projection, especially with Pulis approaches to away games)

That gives Pulis a total of 19 from 18 games which whilst enough to keep is up is nowhere near the 51 points you project.

The points we have got so far from the games we have played is pretty much the minimum you would expect from those games across a season in order to stay up.

The point you are missing is that Pulis would have picked up more than 18 points from the first 20 games, so the projection of around 50 points would not be unreasonable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
Are we still going on about Alan bloody Irvine? (yawn smilie required)

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on April 08, 2015, 01:15:04 PM
If Alan Irvine was a bit of a nob as a bloke, would people still be talking about him? I can't help but feel people are sticking up for him because hes a nice bloke!

Nice bloke or not, he has shown nothing whilst with us or in previous roles to suggest he was good enough!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on April 08, 2015, 01:21:17 PM
Pulis games have been against far easier opposition though. Irvine played pretty much every team in the league whilst Pulis still has to play Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Lets say we get 4 points from our remaining games which would come from a win against Leicester and a point at either Newcastle or Palace (obviously we don't know what will happen but I think 4 points is a pretty realistic projection, especially with Pulis approaches to away games)

That gives Pulis a total of 19 from 18 games which whilst enough to keep is up is nowhere near the 51 points you project.

The points we have got so far from the games we have played is pretty much the minimum you would expect from those games across a season in order to stay up.

Far easier opposition?? How do you work that one out?

Also going by your logic that means AI also played the same teams that Pulis has and didnt pick up the required points in those games.

Your looking at things from a perspective of win the next game and draw one and then lose the rest to get to your conclusion which is all hypothetical. When if you break down the points gained by Pulis over the course of a season it would equate to around the 50 point mark.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on April 09, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Far easier opposition?? How do you work that one out?

Also going by your logic that means AI also played the same teams that Pulis has and didnt pick up the required points in those games.

Your looking at things from a perspective of win the next game and draw one and then lose the rest to get to your conclusion which is all hypothetical. When if you break down the points gained by Pulis over the course of a season it would equate to around the 50 point mark.

As in Irvine played every team in the league, where as Pulis is still yet to face Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Of course we could get 12 points from those, as I said its hypothetical but considering the 2 teams we have played so far in the top 6 have both hammered us coupled with Pulis woeful record and approach against top sides in general I dont think anybody would be shocked to see up pick up nothing from those games. Add that on to where we are now and it would give Pulis 15 points from 15 games, or 38 points over a season which is not nearly as impressive as his record seems at the moment.

To my knowledge Pulis has never got 50 points in a PL season and theres a very good reason for that. Hopefully he can buck that trend with us next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2015, 07:24:14 PM
He's on MOTD2 tonight. I shall watch with interest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 03, 2015, 11:27:14 PM
I still believe that we spoke to David Moyes and he put a good word in for him. The comment from Irvine that he never applied for the job fits with this theory.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on May 03, 2015, 11:34:03 PM
He's on MOTD2 tonight. I shall watch with interest.

Have I missed him? Just tuned in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leeiswba on May 03, 2015, 11:38:30 PM
Have I missed him? Just tuned in.

No he wasn't on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on May 04, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
MOTD2 Extra apparently.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on May 10, 2015, 07:57:27 PM
Didn't end good but shout out to Irvine for getting us points combined with Pulis seeing us to safety.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on May 10, 2015, 08:14:29 PM
Didn't end good but shout out to Irvine for getting us points combined with Pulis seeing us to safety.

Agreed. Pulis has done a great job but Irvine didn't do as bad of a job as some might say and he got us some great wins e.g. Spurs away our best football of the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 10, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
1 point above the drop zone, 4 wins and 22% win rate when he left

Should never have got this job and I hope the days of untried, untested coaches are in the past.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on May 10, 2015, 08:17:50 PM
We were going down with irvine. Nice bloke and all that but out of his depth at this level
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on May 10, 2015, 08:19:13 PM
West Ham cup game for me our most outstanding performance this season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 10, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
1 point above the drop zone, 4 wins and 22% win rate when he left

Should never have got this job and I hope the days of untried, untested coaches are in the past.

Totally agree but he did get 4 wins so deserves credit for it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on May 11, 2015, 07:24:36 AM
Man utd game at home was good along with spurs away probably the best ones off Irvine campaign good football and tidy results I do agree though we was only heading one way but he gave it he's best and I wish him good luck in he's next job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 11, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
Man utd game at home was good along with spurs away probably the best ones off Irvine campaign good football and tidy results I do agree though we was only heading one way but he gave it he's best and I wish him good luck in he's next job.

Burnley at home was a good performance too to be fair to Irvine. We are still the only side to put more than 3 past Burnley. Wished he'd been successful lbut was glad when he went and Pulis came in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on May 11, 2015, 08:54:41 AM
We played well in a handful of matches - I thought we were fantastic against Man Utd but only drew which was the issue with Irvine. The games we played better in, we didn't necessarily get results and I could see a Mowbray style over analysis of style vs result debate growing again - oh we had 63% possession and 10 shots but lost so we must be on the right lines and playing well! For many games but we were insipid and there for the taking in many others. We seemed to lack drive and energy (away fans I know at QPR and Stoke commented how 'weak' we looked).

Having said this, I honestly believe had we appointed Irvine after Roy, he would've had a better chance of building something decent but he was never going to get sufficient time or money as the fans and club (so it proved) didn't trust him enough for a long term project. Perhaps he was always a caretaker/ experiment, waiting for an experienced guy to come along?

Good luck to him but I'm very glad we moved on to a manager who knows how to win at this level. We've not won much for a few years now so we need to regain that habit as a club where we can expect to win matches instead of turning up waiting to get beat. Then we would have the comfort of being able to over analyze performances/ possession  stats, shots etc......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: elkiellis on May 11, 2015, 06:33:03 PM
I think if had used yacob he would have stayed in his job a liitle longer
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 14, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
A year today Alan Irvine was appointed Head Coach. I liked Irvine but I was gobsmacked when he was appointed as it came out of nowhere. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on June 14, 2015, 10:39:46 AM
i still have nightmares
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2015, 10:43:35 AM
FFS forget Irvine. What is the point of keep bringing him up? He wasn't good enough  ..................................... end of. someone lock topic!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
My post a couple of weeks ago mentioning Pepe Mel had got Real Betis promoted was deleted without explanation.
So, is this topic any more relevant?

No it wasn't deleted, it was merged into the following topic about Pepe Mel

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13954.msg383876#msg383876

Usually worth looking around the forum before claiming we delete things without reason.

Just to add why this topic is still in the main forum, its because he hasn't got another job yet, when he does it will be locked/ moved to General Sports.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BigCyrille1975 on June 14, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
No it wasn't deleted, it was merged into the following topic about Pepe Mel

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=13954.msg383876#msg383876

Usually worth looking around the forum before claiming we delete things without reason.

Just to add why this topic is still in the main forum, its because he hasn't got another job yet, when he does it will be locked/ moved to General Sports.

My apologies, should have checked. New to posting  :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tipton Baggie on June 14, 2015, 05:58:47 PM
Anyone been down the garden centre recently?  Loves a plant does alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
Anyone been down the garden centre recently?  Loves a plant does alan.


are we likely to see him hosting ground force
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tipton Baggie on June 15, 2015, 03:24:03 PM

are we likely to see him hosting ground force
Not in the near future, alan these days takes time in watering his garden plants as it makes him relaxed. Besides, another year in being on a leash with alan titsmarsh breathing down his neck wouldnt be on the cards. Not after kiely and downing in previous times. 100% ITK
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2015, 06:09:33 PM

are we likely to see him hosting ground force

Enough tits on there with Charlie Dimmock
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
I'd welcome him back as a coach, still has a lot to offer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Yamaka on June 15, 2015, 10:54:10 PM
I'd welcome him back as a coach, still has a lot to offer.

I think it was discipline rather than transport that was the issue
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on July 12, 2015, 01:00:53 PM
Strange very strange

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3157723/

Alan Irvine to remain without a club until the New Year after West Brom turn down request to renegotiate 'gardening leave'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3157723/Alan-Irvine-remain-without-club-New-Year-West-Brom-turn-request-renegotiate-gardening-leave.html#ixzz3fg47uuw5
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Alan Irvine to remain without a club until the New Year after West Brom turn down request to renegotiate 'gardening leave'

Former West Brom manager Alan Irvine has been left unable to return to football until the New Year after the Premier League club turned down a request to renegotiate the terms of his dismissal.

Irvine is currently being paid monthly by the club as 'gardening leave' following his dismissal after seven months in charge last December.

Under the terms of his contract, that arrangement is due to run until this December leaving Irvine still officially the club's employee and needing their permission to take a new job.

It is understood the 56-year-old Scot – keen to seek new managerial opportunities - approached Albion to see if he would be able to walk away now with a proportion of the money owed.

But with West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace currently involved in talks to sell the club, the club considered it an added complication and decided to stick to the current agreement.

Irvine has previously managed Preston North End, Sheffield Wednesday and West Brom but is perhaps best known for being David Moyes' long-time No2 at Everton where he was an important influence on the emerging Wayne Rooney and helped the club finish fourth.[/i]
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2015, 05:10:57 PM
What is so strange about it? This is what happens every time we sack a manager and a place them on gardening leave.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 12, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
What is so strange about it? This is what happens every time we sack a manager and a place them on gardening leave.

He was on a 12 month rolling contract until the summer so i'm assuming we have to pay him a years salary for a full year from the point he was sacked?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on July 12, 2015, 05:28:57 PM
He was on a 12 month rolling contract until the summer so i'm assuming we have to pay him a years salary for a full year from the point he was sacked?

Yes the gardening leave either runs for the remainder of the contract or if he gets a job we negotiate reduced severance terms to allow him  to take it. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on July 12, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
there must be a que of clubs waiting in the wings to have him as a new manager  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 12, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
He'll walk into a job in the Championship, top class coach who did some good things here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on July 12, 2015, 06:09:32 PM
He'll walk into a job in the Championship, top class coach who did some good things here.

With posts like this I am never quite sure whether they are serious or a wind-up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on July 12, 2015, 06:10:07 PM
He'll walk into a job in the Championship, top class coach who did some good things here.

League 1 would be my guess, if he is lucky.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 12, 2015, 06:16:55 PM
He'll walk into a job in the Championship, top class coach who did some good things here.

Time to let it go mate! He would have taken us down if he had stayed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 12, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
Time to let it go mate! He would have taken us down if he had stayed.
Not picking side here and not having a go, so read as a question and not with anger, but he's not mentioned that he should of stayed... you've just jumped on him for saying he did some good things. Not allowed positive feedback? are we only allowed to write how utterly useless he was and never acknowledge he did a few things right? I don't see that as particularly fair either way. It's like thinking Pulis is great and does nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 12, 2015, 06:33:55 PM
Not picking side here and not having a go, so read as a question and not with anger, but he's not mentioned that he should of stayed... you've just jumped on him for saying he did some good things. Not allowed positive feedback? are we only allowed to write how utterly useless he was and never acknowledge he did a few things right? I don't see that as particularly fair either way. It's like thinking Pulis is great and does nothing wrong.

My reply was not said with anger. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on July 12, 2015, 07:34:40 PM
What is so strange about it? This is what happens every time we sack a manager and a place them on gardening leave.

It is understood the 56-year-old Scot – keen to seek new managerial opportunities - approached Albion to see if he would be able to walk away now with a proportion of the money owed

Surely We would save money by letting him go now for less than paying him to Jan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 12, 2015, 07:36:21 PM
My reply was not said with anger. Just my opinion.
No, not YOUR reply, mine. I didn't want it read as me being angry with what you had said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 12, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
It is understood the 56-year-old Scot – keen to seek new managerial opportunities - approached Albion to see if he would be able to walk away now with a proportion of the money owed

Surely We would save money by letting him go now for less than paying him to Jan.
That's what I was thinking as makes sense all round?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: fatboy_coach on July 12, 2015, 07:44:00 PM
It is understood the 56-year-old Scot – keen to seek new managerial opportunities - approached Albion to see if he would be able to walk away now with a proportion of the money owed

Surely We would save money by letting him go now for less than paying him to Jan.

We would BUT I would imagine that it would 'tip the books' at a time when they're still being poured over by our potential buyer, so I can see why JP has told him to sling his hook until the sale is done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on July 12, 2015, 07:44:36 PM
No, not YOUR reply, mine. I didn't want it read as me being angry with what you had said.

Ok. No problems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 13, 2015, 07:58:03 AM
Never in a million years is he a head coach, his level would be coaching kids somewhere
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 13, 2015, 08:12:42 AM
Never in a million years is he a head coach, his level would be coaching kids somewhere

Applied for a job he got it, Out of hes depth as anyone on this board would be too, I will say one thing them games against man united at home, Tottenham and Southampton away was brilliant nowhere near enough of them but the exact same can be said about pulis west ham and chelsea at home fantastic entertaining games of football, Pulis is without question the better manager but i have only seen one of them try to play football away from home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 13, 2015, 10:59:23 AM
Applied for a job he got it, Out of hes depth as anyone on this board would be too, I will say one thing them games against man united at home, Tottenham and Southampton away was brilliant nowhere near enough of them but the exact same can be said about pulis west ham and chelsea at home fantastic entertaining games of football, Pulis is without question the better manager but i have only seen one of them try to play football away from home.

QPR away we played some great stuff until we collapsed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on July 13, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Applied for a job he got it, Out of hes depth as anyone on this board would be too, I will say one thing them games against man united at home, Tottenham and Southampton away was brilliant nowhere near enough of them but the exact same can be said about pulis west ham and chelsea at home fantastic entertaining games of football, Pulis is without question the better manager but i have only seen one of them try to play football away from home.

We headhunted him which makes his appointment even more farcical.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 13, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
We headhunted him which makes his appointment even more farcical.


Blame Burton he who has also been given the boot
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on July 13, 2015, 11:28:50 AM
QPR away we played some great stuff until we collapsed.

Exactly...there was no backbone or structure to the team under Irvine! What's the point in playing some "great stuff" for 30 mins only to fold like a pack of cards afterwards???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 13, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
Exactly...there was no backbone or structure to the team under Irvine! What's the point in playing some "great stuff" for 30 mins only to fold like a pack of cards afterwards???

Interesting you bring that up i left that match more angry than i have ever been as an Albion fan so angry lol however while im not defending Irvine the problem goes way past him, This club has had a problem with defending leads for a while now especially at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on July 13, 2015, 11:36:54 AM
QPR away we played some great stuff until we collapsed.

"Apart from the hat-trick we handled Charlie Austin pretty well"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on July 13, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
We headhunted him which makes his appointment even more farcical.

more farcical still is the fact we're still paying his wages and have opted out of an early cut off so we will still be paying him until December  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 13, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
more farcical still is the fact we're still paying his wages and have opted out of an early cut off so we will still be paying him until December  :o


If he is still getting a wedge maybe he should come and cut our garden
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on July 13, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
"Apart from the hat-trick we handled Charlie Austin pretty well"

Yeah... what do you say to something like that? Mind boggling doesn't even come close. It is far beyond facepalm too. You just give up don't you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on July 13, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Yeah... what do you say to something like that? Mind boggling doesn't even come close. It is far beyond facepalm too. You just give up don't you.

All down to opinions at the end of the day as with everything, I personally thought Mowbray talked complete tosh at times when he use to say things like Irvine did about Austin yet under TM we have played some of the best football i have ever seen us play.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: skyclad99 on July 13, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Someone may correct me here but I heard AI on talksport a few months ago. Very nice and polite as he has always been, but he was asked directly about his dismissal from the Albion and said in a polite way that he was not allowed to discuss for legal reasons, whatever they may be. So in effect if you are on the payroll, you are not allowed to let the general public know what went on.

Why else would you keep him on payroll for? Its not as though we are saving much, unless we want to avoid a compensation package which is normally paying his contract up in any event.

Any other thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on July 13, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
JP always puts it in a contract that once ties are severed both parties keep quiet.

Would love to hear things from Megsons point of view!

Any legal bods on here know if hush agreements between previous managers and JP would remain live once he sells up?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on July 13, 2015, 03:13:22 PM
Why else would you keep him on payroll for? Its not as though we are saving much, unless we want to avoid a compensation package which is normally paying his contract up in any event.

Any other thoughts on this?

1. Paying him off monthly staggers the financial obligation.
2. If anybody wishes to employ him whilst still on our payroll they will have to offer compensation, as he is still technically an employee of West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on July 13, 2015, 04:09:50 PM
We would BUT I would imagine that it would 'tip the books' at a time when they're still being poured over by our potential buyer, so I can see why JP has told him to sling his hook until the sale is done.
This is probably right but also means that Peace will not want to mess up the finances by paying transfer fees during the next month or so. It looks like we go with what we have  !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 13, 2015, 07:52:32 PM
This is probably right but also means that Peace will not want to mess up the finances by paying transfer fees during the next month or so. It looks like we go with what we have  !!

The transfer budget will be set aside. Possibly the only money they have to play with. Should we dip into it to pay off that useless...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on July 14, 2015, 02:29:34 AM
1. Paying him off monthly staggers the financial obligation.
2. If anybody wishes to employ him whilst still on our payroll they will have to offer compensation, as he is still technically an employee of West Bromwich Albion.

And there, I think you have it in a nutshell!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 14, 2015, 09:02:22 PM
"Apart from the hat-trick we handled Charlie Austin pretty well"

Well he was right.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
Well he was right.  ;D


are you going to follow Irvine like i do Mel :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: skyclad99 on July 15, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
1. Paying him off monthly staggers the financial obligation.
2. If anybody wishes to employ him whilst still on our payroll they will have to offer compensation, as he is still technically an employee of West Bromwich Albion.


I can understand what you are saying, but the problem is that he could take up employment elsewhere by resigning [and coming off the payroll]. He did say that he had received enquiries but he was not allowed to find alternative employment as he was still on the books. Why would that be?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 15, 2015, 10:04:44 AM

I can understand what you are saying, but the problem is that he could take up employment elsewhere by resigning [and coming off the payroll]. He did say that he had received enquiries but he was not allowed to find alternative employment as he was still on the books. Why would that be?

he may very well have had enquiries from others but I bet the wages they are offering him are less than what we are paying him to do nothing.

if he wants to he can resign but I'm guessing he'd want a payoff from us at the same time.

with the takeover dragging on this may make any kind of deal impossible until it has gone through or fell through.

Clarke did the same, he was placed on gardening leave on 14th December 2013 he took over at Reading on 16th December 2014
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 15, 2015, 10:06:05 AM

I can understand what you are saying, but the problem is that he could take up employment elsewhere by resigning [and coming off the payroll]. He did say that he had received enquiries but he was not allowed to find alternative employment as he was still on the books. Why would that be?
Maybe because he loves gardening?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: SmethDan on July 15, 2015, 10:12:53 AM

I can understand what you are saying, but the problem is that he could take up employment elsewhere by resigning [and coming off the payroll]. He did say that he had received enquiries but he was not allowed to find alternative employment as he was still on the books. Why would that be?

As I muted in points 1 and 2, compensation.

With regard to simply resigning and walking away, he can only do that if the club accept his resignation in the first place. He's currently on 'gardening leave'.

Contracts are pretty water tight, which takes me back to potential compensation once again.
A bit of pay back on wages paid out to Alan Irvine during his employment, every penny counts  ;).
The closer his contract is to running down though, the more likely Albion are to letting him go, as any compensatory monies they may think are due from any new employer are reduced.

It woiuld be interesting to find out if Irvine had suggested he forego any severance compensation which he is contractually due, ie asking for his contract to be simply torn up. This brings me back to point 1 though, as if he wants what he is due the club will find it easier to stagger his payments as they are currently doing.

Remember, whatever happens it will be to what Albion perceive as being in their/our best interests.
What Irvine wants in life is of very little consequence to the powers that be.

Personally I would let him walk and get on with his life, but then I do not possess the financial acumen of a successful business man.
 :).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: skyclad99 on July 15, 2015, 10:32:37 AM
Interesting stuff... it probably all boils down to the fact that he is on a good salary at home and no one else has come close to matching his wages as you say...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: fatboy_coach on July 15, 2015, 10:35:10 AM
As with players (sterling) who want to move but don't want to quit/hand in a transfer request and thus lose money, AI is trying to use the media to flex our arm and play to his tune. He's smart, he knows we're for sale and trying to look (as we are) whiter than white and is chancing his arm. As above, if he had a descent offer and cash wasn't the issue he'd quit and move on.

EDIT: sorry just realised I've said the same as the guys above  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 15, 2015, 03:07:20 PM

are you going to follow Irvine like i do Mel :)

To be fair not that interested in Irvine anymore, only when he was here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
To be fair not that interested in Irvine anymore, only when he was here.


liar, you think about him in your sleep :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Topman on July 27, 2015, 09:28:03 PM
If anyone's interested he's on five live now, talking about his wonderful opinions on football
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on July 28, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
If anyone's interested he's on five live now, talking about his wonderful opinions on football

Talks a lot of sense, a good and very interesting listen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on July 28, 2015, 11:50:32 AM
Talks a lot of sense, a good and very interesting listen.


He can talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
He's a teller not a do'er
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: skyclad99 on July 28, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
He is good at talking, I heard him on the radio the other month.

He clearly talked himself into the Albion job. The rest is history.........

Nice bloke but he couldn't manage a packet of crisps, let alone a football team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Legends mate is on on talk sport this morning talking about Berahino :) maybe hes joining him in the same garden
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-west-brom-manager-tells-saido-berahino-and-john-stones-stay-where-you-are (http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-west-brom-manager-tells-saido-berahino-and-john-stones-stay-where-you-are)

For those that want to listen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
He is good at talking, I heard him on the radio the other month.

He clearly talked himself into the Albion job. The rest is history.........

Nice bloke but he couldn't manage a packet of crisps, let alone a football team.

He managed Preston from relegation zone of the Championship to the play offs in the next season. He was talked about how Eddie Howe is now as a talented young coach. He just wasn't given the tools here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
He managed Preston from relegation zone of the Championship to the play offs in the next season. He was talked about like how Eddie Howe is now a few years ago. He just wasn't given the tools here.

He was, he just wasn't up to the job and should never have been anywhere near it in the first place. All Pulis did was add Fletcher and McMananam (who hardly figured) to that same squad and kept us up when we were on the way down.

Cue the "we were never going down under Irvine" brigade. Well Mr Peace was obviously concerned enought to act.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on August 25, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
He managed Preston from relegation zone of the Championship to the play offs in the next season. He was talked about how Eddie Howe is now as a talented young coach. He just wasn't given the tools here.

Your facts are correct Legend, however, you have not painted the full picture - after he took PNE  to the play-offs, the following season he went on a run of 1 win in 10 matches, 7 pts from 30, which left PNE loitering in 16th, the Chairman saw the writing on the wall and sacked Irvine.
 One could argue that  the Chairman was proved correct, when the next season Irvine took the reigns at Sheffield Wednesday and relegated them to League 1 in his only full season at Hillsborough.

Whatever prompted Peace to install  Irvine as the Coach/Manager at the Hawthorns will forever go into the WBA History as Peace's biggest blunder!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ukar1 on August 25, 2015, 02:55:16 PM
He managed Preston from relegation zone of the Championship to the play offs in the next season. He was talked about how Eddie Howe is now as a talented young coach. He just wasn't given the tools here.

Only partly correct..He WAS given the tools..unfortunately IRVINE was the biggest tool :-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:43:14 PM
I'll be glad when this thread is moved to the "General Football & Sports" forum, like those relating to our other ex-managers! We must have gone over Irvine's managerial record before he came to Albion dozens of times now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 25, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
I'll be glad when this thread is moved to the "General Football & Sports" forum, like those relating to our other ex-managers! We must have gone over Irvine's managerial record before he came to Albion dozens of times now.

Given he has not got another job and is still under contract with us plus he still likes to talk about his time here then its still relevant to the main forum. When he moves on elsewhere then the thread will also be moved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2015, 03:57:15 PM
blame me for coughing him up again :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on October 04, 2015, 01:32:29 AM
He is now officially free to find a new job apparently.

Held talks with Dundee United but didn't want to move up to Scotland.

Job at Rotherham could be on the cards perhaps?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 04, 2015, 03:18:42 AM
Just did some quick digging as cant sleep, in the first 8 games of the last two seasons, Irvine got 1 Point MORE than Pulis has, we scored more and (surprisingly) had conceded the same number of goals, both have played Everton (and lost) & Southampton (drew 0-0) but Irvine had beaten Spurs & a Burnley team with a massive clean sheet record going in, drew with Man Utd and lost to Swansea (last season's Palace) game 9 was a draw to Palace and he drew with Sunderland.

Seems Irvine wasn't that bad afterall...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 04, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Just did some quick digging as cant sleep, in the first 8 games of the last two seasons, Irvine got 1 Point MORE than Pulis has, we scored more and (surprisingly) had conceded the same number of goals, both have played Everton (and lost) & Southampton (drew 0-0) but Irvine had beaten Spurs & a Burnley team with a massive clean sheet record going in, drew with Man Utd and lost to Swansea (last season's Palace) game 9 was a draw to Palace and he drew with Sunderland.

Seems Irvine wasn't that bad afterall...

 ;) Irvine out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on October 04, 2015, 09:12:01 AM
Just did some quick digging as cant sleep, in the first 8 games of the last two seasons, Irvine got 1 Point MORE than Pulis has, we scored more and (surprisingly) had conceded the same number of goals, both have played Everton (and lost) & Southampton (drew 0-0) but Irvine had beaten Spurs & a Burnley team with a massive clean sheet record going in, drew with Man Utd and lost to Swansea (last season's Palace) game 9 was a draw to Palace and he drew with Sunderland.

Seems Irvine wasn't that bad afterall...

Go get him Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RogerBadoo on October 04, 2015, 09:22:53 AM
Bring him back!!! He didn't have a pre-season to hand pick players either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 04, 2015, 09:49:33 AM
Bring him back!!! He didn't have a pre-season to hand pick players either.

Irvine has said previously that he had a list of players he wanted but was told no.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 04, 2015, 09:54:30 AM
I can't believe what I am reading here!! Jeez.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on October 04, 2015, 10:16:54 AM
I can't believe what I am reading here!! Jeez.

Me neither.  Decent man, but way out of his depth as a PL head coach/manager.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 04, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
Are you lot serious?

The bloke was so far out of his depth he was drowning. We would be playing the Dingles in the Championship this season if we had kept him on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on October 04, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
A season isnt over 8 games or so Irvine managed us over 22 games and only won 22.73%. Pulis has a 37.50% win ratio over just 10 more games.

Irvine lost 50% of his games in charge whilst Pulis has only lost 37%

I dont see how anyone can argue Irvine would be the better option.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnnyg on October 04, 2015, 10:07:36 PM
i dont give a pooh about statistics at this stage.
I cant stand whats happening to us.
I'd have Irvine back in a heartbeat over our current dragon. At least we'd get a level of entertainment.
We might get relegated, but i actually think we are going to get relegated with TP anyway.
All this bull about him never being relegated.
ITS ON THE WAY GUYS.........
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 04, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
I bet AI is having a good chuckle right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 04, 2015, 10:55:37 PM
I bet AI is having a good chuckle right now.

Why?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on October 04, 2015, 11:15:15 PM
i dont give a pooh about statistics at this stage.
I cant stand whats happening to us.
I'd have Irvine back in a heartbeat over our current dragon. At least we'd get a level of entertainment.
We might get relegated, but i actually think we are going to get relegated with TP anyway.
All this bull about him never being relegated.
ITS ON THE WAY GUYS.........

Calm down lad. Irvine was drowning. Come back Megson all is forgiven.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 05, 2015, 12:24:28 AM
Why?

He got a great wedge from being a failure, i'd be wetting myself let alone laughing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 05, 2015, 12:57:33 AM
I bet AI is having a good chuckle right now.
Why?
Because we rarely try and attack and spend most games defending like its the only thing we know.  The fan support for TP is falling apart faster than AI and thats saying something.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2015, 03:27:07 AM
Because we rarely try and attack and spend most games defending like its the only thing we know.  The fan support for TP is falling apart faster than AI and thats saying something.

What you're doing is projecting (your support for Pulis is falling apart faster than AI).

Irvine wasn't wanted by a good majority before he'd even settled into his office.

As Oldbury says he's been paid the best part of 11 months money for doing nothing having failed. Suppose it is worth a giggle.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 07:10:51 AM
What you're doing is projecting (your support for Pulis is falling apart faster than AI).

Irvine wasn't wanted by a good majority before he'd even settled into his office.

As Oldbury says he's been paid the best part of 11 months money for doing nothing having failed. Suppose it is worth a giggle.

Projecting is fine when it suits.  :-X

This stage last season we were in a better position under Irvine with less time and less money spent....and he was incompetent ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 07:24:04 AM
Projecting is fine when it suits.  :-X

This stage last season we were in a better position under Irvine with less time and less money spent....and he was incompetent ::)
Yes he was and he hadn't played Chelsea , Saints , Everton and Man City at home in his first 4 games. Irvine had no idea how to deal with a bad run ,Pulis is in one now but i'd wager he will pull through it especially when the injuries clear up and new players settle.
For anybody looking through rose tinted glasses on Irvine remember Everton h Newcastle h , Swansea a  ,  Hull away just off the top of my head and all shocking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 07:32:44 AM
Yes he was and he hadn't played Chelsea , Saints , Everton and Man City at home in his first 4 games. Irvine had no idea how to deal with a bad run ,Pulis is in one now but i'd wager he will pull through it especially when the injuries clear up and new players settle.
For anybody looking through rose tinted glasses on Irvine remember Everton h Newcastle h , Swansea a  ,  Hull away just off the top of my head and all shocking.
It's 8 games. We'd played Spurs, Liverpool and Man United and every game against 11 men. The "entertainment" was much better too.

It isn't about rose tinted glasses and wanting Irvine back, if he wasn't good enough what makes Tony Pulis better?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 07:54:14 AM
It's 8 games. We'd played Spurs, Liverpool and Man United and every game against 11 men. The "entertainment" was much better too.

It isn't about rose tinted glasses and wanting Irvine back, if he wasn't good enough what makes Tony Pulis better?
Pulis for as much as he is struggling right now is trying to build something with better quality players , that much i can see . Irvine was never good enough and had no second tier sucess let alone Premiership credit , Pulis and how he does it doesn't suit everybody but he is a proven top flight manager.
Entertainment ? , that soon slipped under AI ....i was bored rigid at Hull and the same at Leicester even with a win there .Only two games ago at Villa and Everton we played well , Pulis will turn this around imo....something Irvine couldn't when he hit his bad run.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 08:04:56 AM
Pulis for as much as he is struggling right now is trying to build something with better quality players , that much i can see . Irvine was never good enough and had no second tier sucess let alone Premiership credit , Pulis and how he does it doesn't suit everybody but he is a proven top flight manager.
Entertainment ? , that soon slipped under AI ....i was bored rigid at Hull and the same at Leicester even with a win there .Only two games ago at Villa and Everton we played well , Pulis will turn this around imo....something Irvine couldn't when he hit his bad run.
Playing awful every other week means that average performances look good.  ;)

I'm not sure what he is trying to build but the blueprint looks pretty horrible.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 08:31:38 AM
Playing awful every other week means that average performances look good.  ;)

I'm not sure what he is trying to build but the blueprint looks pretty horrible.
Keen on using those winking icons in every debate aren't you ?
While we haven't started brilliantly I wouldn't say we are awful , the passing and movement (which we have struggled with long before Pulis ) was showing signs of being much better before Saturday, you call it average I call it progress. Blueprint ? at least we have one now given the club has floated along with no direction for a number of years now . There is no magic wand ( if there was Irvine would be a top manager ) , with the amount of changes behind the scenes and on the pitch i always thought things would have to get worse before they got better.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2015, 08:51:01 AM
FFS  >:( >:( i give up i really do some fans are beyond belief. The worst 12 months in our history begone with this mans signing & ened when put on garden leave.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 08:54:48 AM
Keen on using those winking icons in every debate aren't you ?
While we haven't started brilliantly I wouldn't say we are awful , the passing and movement (which we have struggled with long before Pulis ) was showing signs of being much better before Saturday, you call it average I call it progress. Blueprint ? at least we have one now given the club has floated along with no direction for a number of years now . There is no magic wand ( if there was Irvine would be a top manager ) , with the amount of changes behind the scenes and on the pitch i always thought things would have to get worse before they got better.
They help to emphasise a point, especially when in writing it can be difficult to understand the context in which a statement is written.
Anyway, before Saturday you were taking comfort from our performances against Chelsea and Villa? Two teams who are currently sat second and fourth from bottom. Our future under Irvine might have been bad there is very little evidence to show it is getting much better.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 08:58:38 AM
FFS  >:( >:( i give up i really do some fans are beyond belief. The worst 12 months in our history begone with this mans signing & ened when put on garden leave.
Apart from the fact it wasn't (it wasn't even the worst 12 months in my lifetime of supporting West Brom), it doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it or do we delete all our history or only talk about the good bits?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2015, 09:20:34 AM
They help to emphasise a point, especially when in writing it can be difficult to understand the context in which a statement is written.
Anyway, before Saturday you were taking comfort from our performances against Chelsea and Villa? Two teams who are currently sat second and fourth from bottom. Our future under Irvine might have been bad there is very little evidence to show it is getting much better.
Nope , I thought our performances against Villa and Everton ;) were much better passing and moving wise.Compare Irvines home record and clean sheets to TPs last season with pretty much the same players , this season with much needed new players was always going to be difficult for starters no matter who is in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 09:45:23 AM
To be fair, our passing success (according to Samsung stats) against Everton and Villa were improved compared to our other matches at 73% for both games (back to 63% v Palace).

Comparing Irvine to Pulis, over the first eight games last season the home record was drawn 2, won 1, lost 1 and this year it is drawn 1, lost 3. Clean sheets? Last year at this stage Irvine had 3, Pulis has 3. Both sides had conceded 11 goals. Irvine's team had scored 10, Pulis 6.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2015, 09:55:45 AM
Apart from the fact it wasn't (it wasn't even the worst 12 months in my lifetime of supporting West Brom), it doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it or do we delete all our history or only talk about the good bits?

It's all about opinions a large percentage of fans Never wanted him in the 1st place (i was one) & by the end even more wanted him gone, to talk about him & that time is what this forum what gets me is how some fans think he should be brought back. >:( thats why i say FFS.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
I do think those saying they want him back were tongue in cheek, the worrying thing is the topic even being considered seriously by ANYONE, that shows how bad things are at present
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 05, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
The point is that Irvine wasn't as bad as suggested on here. He took over a team in 17th , given players he didn't want and left us in 16th with no chance to turn around our form.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 05, 2015, 11:13:10 AM
I don't want him back as we would probably go down, Mel was the one who should of been given the reigns for me and aloud to bring in he's own people for the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiesboots on October 05, 2015, 11:28:52 AM
I don't want him back as we would probably go down, Mel was the one who should of been given the reigns for me and aloud to bring in he's own people for the job.
I agree totally, we werent brave enough to back him and a different philosophy, and go in a different footballing direction. We'll never truly know what he might have achieved with his own squad, but for me its one of the (quite a few) things in our recent history ive been very angry about as a fan. As it is at the moment, I will be going to games cause I love the Albion, not for the entertainment value, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on October 05, 2015, 11:50:38 AM
the problem that Irvine never overcame and to do so would have taken an awful long time was his appointment was so left field as to be , to most , seen as a very poor decision as he hadnt been head honcho anywhere forseveral seasons and his last appointment in top mans role didnt go well at all. For what its worth i was one who thought it was probably the most barmy footballing appointment since Steve Daniels was put in charge somewhere and lasted 7 days !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 05, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
Some Albion fans feel more unhappy under Pulis than they were under Irvine. Very interesting,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 12:47:45 PM
Going back is never (rarely) a good idea, (see the file for Giles, Atkinson and Robson), and there is absolutely no hint of a suggestion from me that we should or would even consider returning to Irvine.

At the minute, the record of our current coach is not as good as our previous coach and the style of football,  in my opinion,  much worse and therefore it is worthy of discussion and comparison.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on October 05, 2015, 02:07:13 PM
1. Irvine was an appointment that lacked a certain amount of credibility, most fans panned it, which is their right whether that was entirely fair is neither here nor there.

2. Pulis followed Irvine and enjoyed a honeymoon period in part because he wasn't Irvine.

 Twelve months on and looking at what is happening on the pitch I cannot hand on heart say what I am seeing is a whole lot better. Few suggested that Irvine should be given time and he was heavily criticised whenever we shut up shop to grind out a point. I remember him getting absolute dogs abuse for a 0:0 draw we got away at Hull (a truly dreadful game of football) but I think we showed more attacking intent in that game than we did the Palace & Watford games combined.

Maybe Irvine was never up to the job but the difference between Pulis and Irvine is that Pulis has control over coaches and players in a way that Irvine never did. We might be equally bad under both but the key difference is that Pulis has fewer excuses and the good fortune to have a body of the fan base who still think he's the answer to our prayers.

Do I want Irvine back? Not particularly but I am almost at the point of believing anything has to be better than Pulis.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on October 05, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
To be fair, our passing success (according to Samsung stats) against Everton and Villa were improved compared to our other matches at 73% for both games (back to 63% v Palace).

Comparing Irvine to Pulis, over the first eight games last season the home record was drawn 2, won 1, lost 1 and this year it is drawn 1, lost 3. Clean sheets? Last year at this stage Irvine had 3, Pulis has 3. Both sides had conceded 11 goals. Irvine's team had scored 10, Pulis 6.

out of interest had we played 5 of the top teams in the league? man city, chelsea, saints, palace, everton? (who will all finish top 8 this year).

the comparison is difficult without consideration of the opposition and whether they were in form or not?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 05, 2015, 06:56:25 PM
out of interest had we played 5 of the top teams in the league? man city, chelsea, saints, palace, everton? (who will all finish top 8 this year).

the comparison is difficult without consideration of the opposition and whether they were in form or not?
Man Utd, Spurs (and won), Liverpool, Southampton and Swansea plus Everton (who finished 11th) and about to play Palace who finished 10th... so yes, yes we did.

In a roundabout way, both seasons are very similar with the start being against mostly strong opposition including one of the big boys playing badly (Liverpool last year, Chelsea this year) both played Everton, both played Southampton and in a week's time both have played Palace and Sunderland, one promoted team that (at the time) were playing decent (Burnly with their defensive record & Watford) and (hopefully) one team that was relegated (Hull/Villa). I think they are actually quite good for comparison.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 07:07:51 PM
out of interest had we played 5 of the top teams in the league? man city, chelsea, saints, palace, everton? (who will all finish top 8 this year).

the comparison is difficult without consideration of the opposition and whether they were in form or not?

Totally agree, something I was keen to point out last year but to no effect.

The sides we had played at this time last year finished in 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 16 and 19. Don't know their form at the time.
The sides we have played this year are currently 1, 4, 7, 9, 12, 14, 16 and 18. One had ten men, one had nine men.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnnyg on October 05, 2015, 07:29:26 PM
So at this stage, what do people think will be an acceptable return of points from the next 2 vital games v Sunderland and Norwich.
Maybe i'm over symplfying it, but my read is as follows :-

6 points : Pulis will be a hero again, and totally safe til season end
4 points : very satisfactory return. Fans will be happy with this
3 points : acceptable. it will push us further away from the bottom 3
2 points : dangerous territory i feel. 2 points will suggest we're becalmed, with not much progress being made
0 or 1 point :  sackable territory.Pulis should be sacked after the Norwich game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:01:33 PM
Anybody that would prefer Irvine needs their head looking at.

Whilst the performances have been below average, Pulis has reinstalled discipline and commitment off the pitch, something that we were severely lacking in the boys club with Deano/Downing et al.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 05, 2015, 08:18:24 PM
Anybody that would prefer Irvine needs their head looking at.

Whilst the performances have been below average, Pulis has reinstalled discipline and commitment off the pitch, something that we were severely lacking in the boys club with Deano/Downing et al.
Berahino?

Didn't he just say at the weekend the players are too comfortable and is bombing out talent actually a good thing?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 05, 2015, 08:22:40 PM
Berahino?

Didn't he just say at the weekend the players are too comfortable and is bombing out talent actually a good thing?
There's Berahino, Gamboa last year with his "he won't play me 'cause i'm short and attacking" interview, bought McClean who preceded to do McClean type things, Sessegnon at Newcastle etc. I'd argue that off the field has actually gotten a bit worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on October 05, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
I don't want him back as we would probably go down, Mel was the one who should of been given the reigns for me and aloud to bring in he's own people for the job.
I often wonder why we gave him the job in the first place if we wasn't going to back him, hated the appointment of Irvine and hate pulis even more, the abuse we dished out to stoke over their style and now we have to suffer his turd football. for the first time since 1973 I haven't attended a game this season but I miss it so much, I just cannot pay to watch what he dishes up and would sooner see a team under mel albeit with his faults at least it was exciting and entertaining.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 05, 2015, 10:28:32 PM
AI says he's excited about being a manager again. Great coach and a top bloke who will find another managerial role with ease. I will be following his career with interest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 07, 2015, 02:26:58 PM
AI says he's excited about being a manager again. Great coach and a top bloke who will find another managerial role with ease. I will be following his career with interest.

He has a managerial career that is filled with nothing but failure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 07, 2015, 02:39:43 PM
AI says he's excited about being a manager again. Great coach and a top bloke who will find another managerial role with ease. I will be following his career with interest.


League two if he is lucky, hes a failed head of coaching so far
Yes he is a nice man, i met him at the Bomber statue unveiling


Pepe Mel, well now your talking he he
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on October 07, 2015, 03:06:03 PM
Sacked at Preston
Sacked at Sheff Weds
Sacked at West Brom

Seriously, where do people get the opinion that he's going to get a job with ease??? He may be highly thought of as a Coach, but being a manager/Head Coach is a completely different animal!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 07, 2015, 04:12:12 PM
Sacked at Preston
Sacked at Sheff Weds
Sacked at West Brom

Seriously, where do people get the opinion that he's going to get a job with ease??? He may be highly thought of as a Coach, but being a manager/Head Coach is a completely different animal!!!

Agreed. If he gets anything better than League Two I'd be amazed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on October 07, 2015, 06:12:48 PM
Let's face it someone will be stupid enough to give him a job then be all shocked when it ends in failure. I've still never had a good answer when I've asked how he got the job with us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 07, 2015, 09:56:52 PM
Sacked at Preston
Sacked at Sheff Weds
Sacked at West Brom

Seriously, where do people get the opinion that he's going to get a job with ease??? He may be highly thought of as a Coach, but being a manager/Head Coach is a completely different animal!!!

Harshly sacked at Preston after doing a superb job. Sheff Wed were already struggling before AI come in. Harshly sacked at Albion after not getting the signings he wanted. Our very own TP was sacked from clubs like Gillingham and Pompey, he must be an awful manager!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on October 08, 2015, 11:37:01 AM
Harshly sacked at Preston after doing a superb job. Sheff Wed were already struggling before AI come in. Harshly sacked at Albion after not getting the signings he wanted. Our very own TP was sacked from clubs like Gillingham and Pompey, he must be an awful manager!!

The difference is Tony Pulis has gone on to establish Stoke in the prem and kept Palace up easily when they looked dead and buried! He also kept us up when things were looking bleak...what positives does Irvine have on his CV (managerial wise)???

Haven't heard Preston fans version of events about how he did there but don't remember many coming out saying what a wonderful job he had done...but Sheffield Wednesday fans were very vocal as to what an awful job he did there!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 08, 2015, 11:40:59 AM
The difference is Tony Pulis has gone on to establish Stoke in the prem and kept Palace up easily when they looked dead and buried! He also kept us up when things were looking bleak...what positives does Irvine have on his CV (managerial wise)???

Haven't heard Preston fans version of events about how he did there but don't remember many coming out saying what a wonderful job he had done...but Sheffield Wednesday fans were very vocal as to what an awful job he did there!

I know a lot of people in the game think Irvine is one of the best coaches in this country, I think if he goes to a stable club with a decent set of players he will excel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on October 08, 2015, 11:50:31 AM
I know a lot of people in the game think Irvine is one of the best coaches in this country, I think if he goes to a stable club with a decent set of players he will excel.

Being a coach and being in charge of first team matters are two completely different tasks!!! I don't think anyone has disputed him being a good coach - he has a good reputation in the game, this is well known - but managing a team is completely different!

Some of the best coaches in the game have failed when managing clubs...I don't see what Irvine has shown so far to suggest he is going to succeed???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 08, 2015, 11:58:19 AM
I think you're right Legend, Irvine probably is one of the best coaches in the country, however being a  great coach doesn't mean you possess the authoritative streak to be a successful manager.  Our players seemed to love working under him, his training methods were lauded by many of them but our performances didn't display this.  Did he have the personality to take on certain members of the dressing room, to break up the old guard/cliques, probably not, everyone remained way too comfortable and maybe he was too nice a bloke, payers got away with too many poor performances without repercussions. 

I understood the logic behind his appointment, especially with the head coach system and structure we had in place but it didn't work out and I think alot of that was to do with his personality not his knowledge or coaching methods.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 08, 2015, 12:07:04 PM
I think you're right Legend, Irvine probably is one of the best coaches in the country, however being a  great coach doesn't mean you possess the authoritative streak to be a successful manager.  Our players seemed to love working under him, his training methods were lauded by many of them but our performances didn't display this.  Did he have the personality to take on certain members of the dressing room, to break up the old guard/cliques, probably not, everyone remained way too comfortable and maybe he was too nice a bloke, payers got away with too many poor performances without repercussions. 

I understood the logic behind his appointment, especially with the head coach system and structure we had in place but it didn't work out and I think alot of that was to do with his personality not his knowledge or coaching methods.

I think that's fair. I do remember Irvine coming out after the Palace game where we were 2-0 down at half time saying that he had lost his temper with the players and he said it's not often he did that. We drew 2-2 in the end so maybe it was something he needed to do more often.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 08, 2015, 07:22:27 PM
I think that's fair. I do remember Irvine coming out after the Palace game where we were 2-0 down at half time saying that he had lost his temper with the players and he said it's not often he did that. We drew 2-2 in the end so maybe it was something he needed to do more often.

Yes it had nothing to do with a superb Vic Anichebe performance it was because Irvine got upset...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 08, 2015, 07:47:14 PM
Yes it had nothing to do with a superb Vic Anichebe performance it was because Irvine got upset...

Anichebe who Irvine brought on at half time. Still not going to give him any credit then.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: JMullen95 on October 09, 2015, 02:47:15 AM
Where were we in the league at this time last year under Irvine? I'm certain it's much higher than we are now under Sir Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on October 09, 2015, 04:05:01 AM
Yes it had nothing to do with a superb Vic Anichebe performance it was because Irvine got upset...

Didn't he get brought on at half time by Irvine, You seem to base your opinions on whether you like someone or not or that's how it comes across.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 09, 2015, 04:13:04 AM
Didn't he get brought on at half time by Irvine, You seem to base your opinions on whether you like someone or not or that's how it comes across.

I don't know any of them to like or dislike, I form my opinions on what I see. Should we be 2 nil down at home to Colin's Palace side at half time in the first place? I was at the game and it was dire, Anichebe changed that and we just about deserved a point, hardly a masterstroke bringing on a striker at half time when you're 2 nil down at home.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on October 09, 2015, 07:20:20 AM
Where were we in the league at this time last year under Irvine? I'm certain it's much higher than we are now under Sir Tony Pulis.

The only position that matters in the one we are in come the last game of the season. Irvine would have relegated us, Pulis will not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on October 09, 2015, 08:49:20 AM
The only position that matters in the one we are in come the last game of the season. Irvine would have relegated us, Pulis will not.
Only one of these can be proven / disproven though, although I think you are probably right.
The only difference between the two is managerial experience.
Neither play good football and base their tactics around not losing, it's just that Pulis is a bit better at it and that's because he's been a manager for longer. Is Irvine a better coach? Almost certainly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 09, 2015, 12:25:04 PM
The only position that matters in the one we are in come the last game of the season. Irvine would have relegated us, Pulis will not.

Who's to say that we couldn't have gone on a winning streak under Irvine. Easy to laugh at that but Pearson and his Leicester team looked poor and set to go down before they went on a great run. It's all guess work.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on October 09, 2015, 01:50:53 PM
Fact: In 19 games (half a season) he achieved 17 points so was on target for 34? Pulis achieved 27 points from 19 games.

No other premier league or even championship club has gone near Irvine (seems like Dundee Utd are interested which I'd say puts him as a lower championship or even league 1 level)?

Subjective: Performances were mostly poor under Irvine and Pulis however in my opinion we had a bit more intent and bite under Pulis.

Amazed at the goodwill Irvine has? It was an awful time - timid, insipid, poor, static football.

Perforances under Pulis have been lacking but we've got results and have generally had a plan albeit to defend a 0-0!!



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on October 09, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
The fact that we are even discussing Irvine who was the most ridiculous appointment and the awful football he produced shows just how bad it is now..... If we lose to Sunderland and play the usual 9-1 formation are we going to start a "was Bobby Gould really that bad" thread or "Buckley was a great coach but his hands were tied" discussion?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on October 09, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
The fact that we are even discussing Irvine who was the most ridiculous appointment and the awful football he produced shows just how bad it is now..... If we lose to Sunderland and play the usual 9-1 formation are we going to start a "was Bobby Gould really that bad" thread or "Buckley was a great coach but his hands were tied" discussion?
Bang on. I can't understand why we're still talking about him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on October 09, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
This old chestnut still roasting on then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on October 09, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Bang on. I can't understand why we're still talking about him

Don't see what's wrong with talking about ex managers. It's the international break too so not much to debate about at the moment.  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2015, 09:34:42 PM
He's being talked about as he settled his contract with the club, no other reason.

No-one (not even Legend) had posted in this topic since the end of August before this week.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PepeMel on October 09, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
Don't see what's wrong with talking about ex managers. It's the international break too so not much to debate about at the moment.  :P



Just like my namesake :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 09, 2015, 10:05:18 PM
The fact that we are even discussing Irvine who was the most ridiculous appointment and the awful football he produced shows just how bad it is now..... If we lose to Sunderland and play the usual 9-1 formation are we going to start a "was Bobby Gould really that bad" thread or "Buckley was a great coach but his hands were tied" discussion?
This Buckley fella, would he have contacts at a previous club to get some players he knows in?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sing on our own on October 10, 2015, 08:49:57 AM
This Buckley fella, would he have contacts at a previous club to get some players he knows in?
he's got a genius lad up front with a moustache and a fine array of "backheels" with a bit of luck he will come!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
Our friend Legend will be jumping hoops, irvines got a job i hear.Did i hear correct? assitant to Lambert at Blackburn
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 13, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
Our friend Legend will be jumping hoops, irvines got a job i hear.Did i hear correct? assitant to Lambert at Blackburn

I know he's been linked with that post, not sure it's happened yet though.

 Hmm what a 'dream team' Lambert & Irvine fair gets the pulse racing doesn't it!

 Joking aside they might actually be good for Blackburn. Lambert will be decent at that level and Irvine would make a good assistant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on November 13, 2015, 08:49:24 AM
Our friend Legend will be jumping hoops, irvines got a job i hear.Did i hear correct? assitant to Lambert at Blackburn

Lambert and Irvine...the dream team!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mister AT on November 13, 2015, 08:56:26 AM
I actually think it could be a good move for a championship team.

Lambert likes to 'try to play the right way' and Irvine loves to defend, so if they get the balance right they could do a job in the Championship.

OR

They will get it horribly wrong.

 ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on November 13, 2015, 09:36:44 AM
Ideal job for Irvine!! 2nd in command, coaching role, Championship.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2015, 09:00:36 PM
It's official now. I think Lambert and Irvine will do a cracking job at Blackburn. I'm happy to see Alan back in football, this is a good opportunity for him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on November 15, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
Hasn't worked out too badly for Irvine. I think he was on a 1 year rolling contract for us so presumably he's been picking up his gardening leave money for the past year and now he's picked up a Championship No. 2 role.
He never was as clueless as a lot on here would have you believe and was never going to be out of a job for too long. Good luck Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 10:26:42 AM
Now he's back in work, thread moved to general sports forum
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 16, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
Rob Kelly also joins the Blackburn backroom staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 16, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
Premier League number 1 to a Championship number 2. Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 16, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
Premier League number 1 to a Championship number 2. Onwards and upwards!
The bloke was on a hiding to nothing from the moment Pepe Mel left by "mutual consent". Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 16, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
What on earth have Blackburn fans done wrong. Sacking Allardyce for Steve Kean and now this horror show. Feel very sorry for them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 16, 2015, 01:53:25 PM
What on earth have Blackburn fans done wrong. Sacking Allardyce for Steve Kean and now this horror show. Feel very sorry for them.
I suspect there are Stoke fans asking similar questions of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 02:00:08 PM
I suspect there are Stoke fans asking similar questions of us.

Proven Premier League manager who has been Manager of the Year, got a previous club to a Wembley final and saves clubs from the drop going to a club in deep pooh at the time following the unsuccessful tenure by the new Blackburn coach. Yep, plenty of questions to be asked there.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 16, 2015, 02:55:03 PM
Proven Premier League manager who has been Manager of the Year, got a previous club to a Wembley final and saves clubs from the drop going to a club in deep pooh at the time following the unsuccessful tenure by the new Blackburn coach. Yep, plenty of questions to be asked there.

We were 15th and on course to stay up when Irvine left. Pulis has had two transfer windows spent a fortune and we are not much better for it sadly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on November 16, 2015, 03:09:16 PM
We were 15th and on course to stay up when Irvine left. Pulis has had two transfer windows spent a fortune and we are not much better for it sadly.

JP would not have pulled the plug if we were on course to stay up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on November 16, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
We were 15th and on course to stay up when Irvine left. Pulis has had two transfer windows spent a fortune and we are not much better for it sadly.

We were dropping like a brick. The results and performances were getting worse, not better!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 16, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
JP would not have pulled the plug if we were on course to stay up.

I believe the fans forced JP's hand, the atmosphere towards Irvine was poisonous and made me feel ashamed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 03:26:30 PM
JP is not a Chairman who acts on the actions of fans, he acts when he sees the need and is concerned about his investment. If he acted on the actions of the fans then Pepe Mel would have stayed.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 16, 2015, 05:44:22 PM
JP is not a Chairman who acts on the actions of fans, he acts when he sees the need and is concerned about his investment. If he acted on the actions of the fans then Pepe Mel would have stayed.
The impact the crowd had on the results/team/coach and Pepe Mel had on the players will no doubt have entered into JP decision to sack both our previous managers.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 16, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
Yeah I disagree with that Phil, the atmosphere at stoke made downings position untenable really.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 06:18:19 PM
The impact the crowd had on the results/team/coach and Pepe Mel had on the players will no doubt have entered into JP decision to sack both our previous managers.

So the crowd are to blame for poor results under Irvine ?

Mel was not given a chance by players so would he have been a success ? not one of us knows.

Peace acts when he feels his investment is under threat.

Interesting that despite a glut of Championship clubs having vacancies that not one was looking to appoint Irvine or even clubs below that level, only one Scottish club in one of the poorest leagues in Europe was linked with him as a number 1
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 06:19:20 PM
Yeah I disagree with that Phil, the atmosphere at stoke made downings position untenable really.

That was disgusting, can't defend it but the writing was on the wall before that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 16, 2015, 06:25:06 PM
I believe the fans forced JP's hand, the atmosphere towards Irvine was poisonous and made me feel ashamed.

I felt bloody ashamed an all when this football club appointed a bloody PE teacher as manager

He's another who will keep being recycled into jobs despite producing a CV full of complete 'oss pooh.

Good coach an all that though ay he, apparently..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 16, 2015, 06:48:03 PM
So the crowd are to blame for poor results under Irvine ?

Mel was not given a chance by players so would he have been a success ? not one of us knows.

Peace acts when he feels his investment is under threat.

Interesting that despite a glut of Championship clubs having vacancies that not one was looking to appoint Irvine or even clubs below that level, only one Scottish club in one of the poorest leagues in Europe was linked with him as a number 1

Well Blackburn and Lambert seem to think he has something to offer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 16, 2015, 06:55:07 PM
Well Blackburn and Lambert seem to think he has something to offer.

Did you miss the part about as a Number 1 ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
Did you miss the part about as a Number 1 ?

Did he not turn down the Dundee United job for family reasons? That's what I heard. Anyway he's only been available since last month.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2015, 10:30:28 AM
good luck to him. its as good as it gets for him though
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2015, 10:57:32 AM
good luck to him. its as good as it gets for him though
It's hardly a dream team is it? Two of the dourest characters the game has to offer, bet the fans can't wait for the post match conference zzzzzzzzzzzzz
I would be very surprised if they are still there at the start of next season anyway, the Venky's seem to prefer a revolving door approach!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
It's hardly a dream team is it? Two of the dourest characters the game has to offer, bet the fans can't wait for the post match conference zzzzzzzzzzzzz
I would be very surprised if they are still there at the start of next season anyway, the Venky's seem to prefer a revolving door approach!

I think Lambert and Irvine will work excellent together and have a chance of getting Blackburn near the play offs this season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
I think Lambert and Irvine will work excellent together and have a chance of getting Blackburn near the play offs this season.
They may well do, that doesn't change the fact that they are both dour as hell in interviews.
I also think they will have to make the play off to escape the Venky's chicken axe!
Have to say I'm not really bothered either way. I don't wish anything bad on the bloke, but won't be scouring the papers for Blackburn's results either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2015, 12:02:32 PM
tommy Doc will be translator
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on November 17, 2015, 12:14:56 PM
I think Lambert and Irvine will work excellent together and have a chance of getting Blackburn near the play offs this season.

I don't think we have any idea how they will work together - for all we know, they could clash bigtime behind the scenes! You don't know until they actually work together!

We can try and paint a pretty picture of Irvine all we want - the fact is the bloke failed at Preston, Sheff Weds and us. Excuses can be made if wanting to present a strong argument for him, but his CV reads failure after failure in a Number 1 position.

I hope he does well elsewhere, as he comes across as a decent, hard working bloke, but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club in a managerial capacity!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2015, 01:08:01 PM
I don't think we have any idea how they will work together - for all we know, they could clash bigtime behind the scenes! You don't know until they actually work together!

We can try and paint a pretty picture of Irvine all we want - the fact is the bloke failed at Preston, Sheff Weds and us. Excuses can be made if wanting to present a strong argument for him, but his CV reads failure after failure in a Number 1 position.

I hope he does well elsewhere, as he comes across as a decent, hard working bloke, but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my club in a managerial capacity!

Did he though? I have to disagree. Saved Preston from relegation and took them to play offs, was sacked after a bad run of form. I wouldn't call it a failure when most Preston fans were gutted he left. When Head Coach at Albion he took over a team who limped to safety last season, given players he didn't want and was expected to work miracles with supporters who were fed up and angry before the season started. I can't remember us being in the relegation zone much when Irvine was here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 17, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Living in the northwest I know a few PNE fans. None of them had a good word to say about Irvine and found it highly amusing when we hired him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2015, 01:42:39 PM
Living in the northwest I know a few PNE fans. None of them had a good word to say about Irvine and found it highly amusing when we hired him.


i can also remember them rolling over with laughter
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on November 17, 2015, 02:28:27 PM
Living in the northwest I know a few PNE fans. None of them had a good word to say about Irvine and found it highly amusing when we hired him.

I am also in the North West, Preston in fact  and the majority of Preston fans were incredulous at his appointment at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AshD on November 17, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Did he though? I have to disagree. Saved Preston from relegation and took them to play offs, was sacked after a bad run of form. I wouldn't call it a failure when most Preston fans were gutted he left. When Head Coach at Albion he took over a team who limped to safety last season, given players he didn't want and was expected to work miracles with supporters who were fed up and angry before the season started. I can't remember us being in the relegation zone much when Irvine was here.

Following on from the comments regarding the Preston fans thoughts on him (I only remember reading negative ones when we appointed him) the Sheffield Wednesday fans thought he was dreadful and were very vocal in their negative opinion of him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on November 17, 2015, 03:45:40 PM
Following on from the comments regarding the Preston fans thoughts on him (I only remember reading negative ones when we appointed him) the Sheffield Wednesday fans thought he was dreadful and were very vocal in their negative opinion of him!

To be fair - they were not all negative at the time of his dismissal, however, the Chairman saw the "writing on the wall" after 10 games without a win and dropping like  a stone into 15th place (what does that remind you of)  At the time of his appointment I asked what they thought of him and the vast majority if not all said " very nice man - manager in the Prem, no way....."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on November 17, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
I am also in the North West, Preston in fact  and the majority of Preston fans were incredulous at his appointment at the Hawthorns.
Many were surprised by his appointment and very few by his dismissal.

Think that sums up his tenure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
I admire your support for him legend but you dont have a leg end to stand on. Viva Pepe :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2015, 06:20:16 PM
It's hardly a dream team is it? Two of the dourest characters the game has to offer, bet the fans can't wait for the post match conference zzzzzzzzzzzzz
I would be very surprised if they are still there at the start of next season anyway, the Venky's seem to prefer a revolving door approach!

Are because we have Tommy Cooper as our manager  :D.

Honestly haven't listened to a managers interview since hodgson, Irvine talked tripe, pepe looked fed up, pulis and he's evil grin just whind me up lol.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 11, 2017, 11:12:44 AM
where is he Legend
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on November 19, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
Former West Brom boss tipped to return to management after job talks

It’s Alan Irvine and he might be OK in the Scottish PL

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-tipped-17281706
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KYA on November 19, 2019, 04:42:55 PM
Former West Brom boss tipped to return to management after job talks

It’s Alan Irvine and he might be OK in the Scottish PL

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-tipped-17281706
Not a headline you would want to see if  you was coming around from concussion, when did he come back!