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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #15900 on: September 13, 2017, 12:31:28 PM »
Looks like we were joint 4th in Febuary last year. This is a comparison of total points not wins from a losing position.

https://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-11-clubs-have-won-most-points-losing-positions-premier-league-160301186655

Problem with such things being that the likes of Man City, Chelsea etc don't go behind very often.


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« Reply #15901 on: September 13, 2017, 12:35:22 PM »
Hey Devon,would you sooner play open expansive football and possibly lose and be relegated or a steady progression of quality players which hopefully would result in better football and an almost certain retention of premier league football.
I prefer the latter,sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.

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« Reply #15902 on: September 13, 2017, 01:52:09 PM »
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.


He also took Stoke to an FA cup final and had a respectable European and domestic campaign the following season. How many times do you hear the old adage that a club that size can't compete on two fronts due to the lack of resources? The fact that they were in Europe probably did mean that their league form suffered, but not to the extent that they were ever threatened by relegation, which in my opinion is an understated achievement.

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« Reply #15903 on: September 13, 2017, 02:17:16 PM »

He also took Stoke to an FA cup final and had a respectable European and domestic campaign the following season. How many times do you hear the old adage that a club that size can't compete on two fronts due to the lack of resources? The fact that they were in Europe probably did mean that their league form suffered, but not to the extent that they were ever threatened by relegation, which in my opinion is an understated achievement.
Yes and he employed the same tactics in both of those competitions.
Not saying they don't work, they clearly do, but nor are they the only way.
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« Reply #15904 on: September 13, 2017, 02:19:50 PM »
The tactics don't change regardless of personnel, so it probably won't get worse, nor will it get much better, it will just stay the same.
He gradually brought in better players at Stoke but it had little effect on style, points or league position.
His best finish was 11th with 47 points, Hughes finished 9th with 50 in his first season. Not saying Hughes is a better manager or plays open, expansive football, just pointing out that moving on from Pulis does not necessarily mean a downturn and certainly doesn't guarantee relegation.

What you see is what you get with Pulis, he makes no apologies for it, why would he, it works.
All we have to do is decide if we want to pay to watch it.

So what changed when he was Crystal Palace? I could watch that team for days. Tore us a new one from memory.........
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« Reply #15905 on: September 13, 2017, 02:31:10 PM »
So what changed when he was Crystal Palace? I could watch that team for days. Tore us a new one from memory.........
Not that much to be honest mate.
He turned them around and yes they had some decent attacking players who hit form, a bit like us mid last season, but I don't think tactically he did anything different.
I'm sure someone will have relative stats though so I stand to be corrected.

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« Reply #15906 on: September 13, 2017, 04:10:00 PM »
Looks like we were joint 4th in Febuary last year. This is a comparison of total points not wins from a losing position.

https://talksport.com/football/revealed-top-11-clubs-have-won-most-points-losing-positions-premier-league-160301186655

Doesn't count though. Surely there's too many variables??  :P

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« Reply #15907 on: September 13, 2017, 06:23:38 PM »
Hey Devon,would you sooner play open expansive football and possibly lose and be relegated or a steady progression of quality players which hopefully would result in better football and an almost certain retention of premier league football.
I prefer the latter,sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
We lose anyway playing dire football, if we had a  go at playing football you never know we might just surprise a few teams!

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« Reply #15908 on: September 13, 2017, 06:34:17 PM »
We lose anyway playing dire football, if we had a  go at playing football you never know we might just surprise a few teams!

We won the first three games of the season  ;)
Pulis doesn't do relegation.

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« Reply #15909 on: September 13, 2017, 07:32:59 PM »
We won the first three games of the season  ;)

Agreed, if we were laid these cards in the table at the start of the season, we'd have all taken them. I honestly believe that Tony realises he messed up v Brighton - but feel he thought he could 'shoehorn' our three defensive midfielders into our team. After all, were paying the wages of a 30 mil pound player so he's going to need to be seen....logic would dictate. I completely understand some people's frustrations...but we know what to expect with a Pulis team....maybe he may just strike the right formula before too long! Obviously for a non top six team🤔😉

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« Reply #15910 on: September 13, 2017, 08:31:56 PM »
;D We have had 1 off day...come on we have 7 points from 4 games. If we keep this ratio going we will accumulate 66 points and be in top six position.

Honestly, some people on here need a BIG REALITY CHECK!!!! Can we give the "new" players a couple of weeks to settle into the "Pulis" system.

I notice Fozz is getting a roasting for his performance.....He is an International goalkeeper and probably got us 10 points last season with his saves.

I couldn't see him at fault with any of the goals...the old saying you got to get through 10 men to get to the Keeper.

Oh! by the way I was a keeper for 50 years,so I belong to the Keepers Union.

Give Pulis time to get them to gel.

The reality is people are going to work all week to pay their hard earned cash to see a bag of sh*te for no real reason when its clear we now have more balance and quality in the squad... so you have to expect people to moan and complain... its within their rights to.


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« Reply #15911 on: September 13, 2017, 11:11:35 PM »
The reality is people are going to work all week to pay their hard earned cash to see a bag of sh*te for no real reason when its clear we now have more balance and quality in the squad... so you have to expect people to moan and complain... its within their rights to.

I 100% agree.

Add to this, it wasn't "a day off", that will happen, as will bad luck. What Pulis did was go against a team who hadn't yet scored in 3 previous matches and set a team out with a hodge-podge defence and 3 defensive midfielders in-front of them.

The worst part is i honestly think thats his go to team:



LW (probably JRod )                                        Rondon or HRK                                     Phillips






                                        Barry                    Grego                  Livermore



I genuinely think he thinks he can't not play those 3 central lads, so Chadli/Mozza/Brunt are going to be incredibly limited for game time.

If we score more than 42 goals this season i'm be amazed.

I'm just sick of him   :'(
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« Reply #15912 on: September 13, 2017, 11:42:13 PM »
I 100% agree.

Add to this, it wasn't "a day off", that will happen, as will bad luck. What Pulis did was go against a team who hadn't yet scored in 3 previous matches and set a team out with a hodge-podge defence and 3 defensive midfielders in-front of them.

The worst part is i honestly think thats his go to team:



LW (probably JRod )                                        Rondon or HRK                                     Phillips






                                        Barry                    Grego                  Livermore



I genuinely think he thinks he can't not play those 3 central lads, so Chadli/Mozza/Brunt are going to be incredibly limited for game time.

If we score more than 42 goals this season i'm be amazed.

I'm just sick of him   :'(


Oddly enough I wouldn't have a problem with 3 fairly robust central midfielders if we were ever going to play a genuine 3 up top with attacking wide players who tended to come inside in support of the central striker, particularly if this allowed the full backs the opportunity to overlap.

The problem is out of possession (which in our case is typically between 60% and 70% of most games) the wingers sit deep in support of the full backs and in possession the full backs seldom get ahead of the wingers.

We almost have the personnel for it if one of the central midfielders was a genuine deep sitting play maker we would be good to go.

However you know that is never going to happen with Pulis in charge, forget I ever mentioned it.
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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #15913 on: September 16, 2017, 05:38:50 PM »
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight

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« Reply #15914 on: September 16, 2017, 06:04:10 PM »
Damn right, we're absolute sh1te. Even if we'd won that 1-0 with a last minute goal.

Terrible performances against Bournemouth, Burnley, Stoke, Brighton and West Ham.

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« Reply #15915 on: September 16, 2017, 06:06:03 PM »
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight

Yes, those who want more than what is currently being provided are embarrassing  :-X

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« Reply #15916 on: September 16, 2017, 06:35:04 PM »
I guess the embarssing anti pulis gang will be out tonight
It's not a matter of being Anti Pulis, what I have just watched is anti football, shocking in 50 years of watching football that is one of the worst games I have ever seen!! :(

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« Reply #15917 on: September 16, 2017, 06:42:52 PM »
It's not a matter of being Anti Pulis, what I have just watched is anti football, shocking in 50 years of watching football that is one of the worst games I have ever seen!! :(




Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become

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« Reply #15918 on: September 16, 2017, 06:48:32 PM »



Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become

Yes, because if we got rid of Pulis, we would automatically be losing 4 nil at home to West Ham  ::)

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« Reply #15919 on: September 16, 2017, 06:54:57 PM »



Whilst today was a dreadful game where Albion played poorly does anyone really think he sends us out to play so poorly. Some of the comments after games on here are a joke. Today's I've seen shambolic and worst I've ever seen. These people obviously don't remember losing at home five to crew or being two up and losing in the last ten mins to Swansea. And before anyone says, yes but it's entertainment, you lot wanting a return to Mowbray football will be the first to moan when we have lost by about 4 today under him or we were winning with 5 to go and lose. I've seen a comment saying today, I wish we were back in the champ. does anyone really want that. I'm going to smacked how some of our fans have become

The standard pro-Pulis response that.

If we don't like Pulis then we must be gagging for Mowbray-style/relegation!

I don't mind counter attacking football but to be an effective counter attacking you need to be able to counter attack.


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« Reply #15920 on: September 16, 2017, 06:59:23 PM »
No Pulis doesn't send his team out to play badly but the overwhelming negativity that permeates through the side is down to him. We aren't a counter attacking team when we turnover the ball there is seldom ever a quick break we don't even look for it when the ball is in Foster's hands.

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« Reply #15921 on: September 16, 2017, 07:07:42 PM »
its a shame its going a bit negative after what seemed a good start and a decent transfer window, there was an air of expectancy but in truth we still have the same problems creating and scoring goals.

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« Reply #15922 on: September 16, 2017, 07:14:11 PM »
He's run his course. Get rid now. Our new pre match song should be walk the dinosaur

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« Reply #15923 on: September 16, 2017, 07:16:38 PM »
Let's hope his days are numbered. Shocking what Ever it's called , it's not the beautiful game that's for sure. They are his players , you have games to prove you can turn us into a better footballing team ,continue playing this way and he must go. He was good to keep us up when he came and that should have been it. He served his purpose. Whoever gets him next I pity you
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« Reply #15924 on: September 16, 2017, 07:19:59 PM »
its a shame its going a bit negative after what seemed a good start and a decent transfer window, there was an air of expectancy but in truth we still have the same problems creating and scoring goals.
Its funny that at the start it was all "we need players in quick" and "all we have is Rodriguez and some Egyptian nobody" and we won 2 games.  Now we've done the spending and we can't score and we can't win.