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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #400 on: March 01, 2019, 11:48:35 PM »
What annoys me is that we all knew this would happen.

Happens every big game that is a ‘must win’

We just don’t turn up. Must be the easiest team to play in a massive 6 pointer game. Best squad in the league haha

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #401 on: March 01, 2019, 11:57:00 PM »
I can't believe anybody would direct any abuse at Darren Moore or his players on this forum after such an inspirational display. Who do the fans this they are? Expecting the players to match the workrate of the opposition? What a joke.

criticism is fine, abuse is not.

That has to be the most inept performance we have put in all season, not a single player comes out of that with any credit, some were worse than others but they were all poor.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #402 on: March 02, 2019, 12:24:21 AM »
Leeds played midweek this time, but once again it was WBA who looked sluggish. Leeds ran all over them. Moore's midfield selections were wrong, and concerning thing is it took Barry nearly getting sent off for him to change things. I'm not sure the formation ever changed though to try and stop the momentum Leeds had, how were we ever going to win that playing a RB at LB when he has been useless at RB anyway yet he has LB on the bench? Sackabke offence that on its own, then we have three slow midfielders being over run OK how many times have we said that this year and why we are on the subject of how many times this year why is our best forward on the wing???
Sorry guys I just can not see this in anyway being acceptable from our head coach

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« Reply #403 on: March 02, 2019, 12:38:44 AM »
Leeds played midweek this time, but once again it was WBA who looked sluggish. Leeds ran all over them. Moore's midfield selections were wrong, and concerning thing is it took Barry nearly getting sent off for him to change things. I'm not sure the formation ever changed though to try and stop the momentum Leeds had, how were we ever going to win that playing a RB at LB when he has been useless at RB anyway yet he has LB on the bench? Sackabke offence that on its own, then we have three slow midfielders being over run OK how many times have we said that this year and why we are on the subject of how many times this year why is our best forward on the wing???
Sorry guys I just can not see this in anyway being acceptable from our head coach
bloke is a center halve which was more incredulous, couldn't believe the line up but had a suspicion that we'd get spanked.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #404 on: March 02, 2019, 12:44:00 AM »
Leeds played midweek this time, but once again it was WBA who looked sluggish. Leeds ran all over them. Moore's midfield selections were wrong, and concerning thing is it took Barry nearly getting sent off for him to change things. I'm not sure the formation ever changed though to try and stop the momentum Leeds had, how were we ever going to win that playing a RB at LB when he has been useless at RB anyway yet he has LB on the bench? Sackabke offence that on its own, then we have three slow midfielders being over run OK how many times have we said that this year and why we are on the subject of how many times this year why is our best forward on the wing???
Sorry guys I just can not see this in anyway being acceptable from our head coach


Why are you passing off Matt Wilson's tweet as your own words? Just out of interest like?
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #405 on: March 02, 2019, 01:22:16 AM »
Just got back.

If you asked somebody which team had played on Tuesday night and which team played on Saturday, I know what their answer would be.

It was like we were playing a back 7, and 3 forwards up top, the space in between was acres.

Absolutely shocking.

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« Reply #406 on: March 02, 2019, 01:36:38 AM »
Cannot believe we started with same midfield as last week  can believe Leeds like Utd last week wanted it much more than we did and it showed all through the game, we were swamped in midfield , it seemed to me that when our attacks broke down usually to abysmal passing the front 3 just stood and watched what was going on behind them without making much effort to get back behind the ball,
it was as though they were under instruction to stay up the pitch ready for counter attacks, we should have started with 4 across the middle included Murphy and Montero for a bit of pace and with and extra men in middle of park , I am not over sure about those 2 as  additions to squad but at least they would of added something different,at least if that did not work we could have changed it, also why was the natural left back left on the bench and Tosin a central defender playing there instead , his fault for the first goal being nowhere near Hernandez either in the build up to the goal and indeed when the guy was shooting I fear for us to be honest , we should make play offs but the way things are at the moment I can't see us making it to Wembley never mind the premiership

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #407 on: March 02, 2019, 01:39:46 AM »
I couldn’t believe the score line.

Even when it was 1-0 early I thought we could still get back in it.

I got to watch a bit through the stream but after a while it didn’t work and I had to concentrate on my son’s cricket game.

Couldn’t believe we had let 4 in by the time I got back to the live feed.

We’re all incredibly frustrated which is understandable.

I’ll be taking a step back and not thinking anything Albion until next Saturday.

Automatic promotion is gone now, the play offs are our best and only chance of going up now.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #408 on: March 02, 2019, 01:48:11 AM »
Played off the park tonight.

Not much tactically between the teams but it looked man v boys tonight  other than 15inutea in the second half.

I have not decided if our midfield failed to combat or Moore should of played for the point and packed the midfield with 5.

As shakey as Tosin looked at LB he was not at fault for the goals. I can only say we looked intimidated by the opposition.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #409 on: March 02, 2019, 01:54:40 AM »


As shakey as Tosin looked at LB he was not at fault for the goals.

I'm not knocking the lad as it isn't his fault he got shoehorned into left back, but the first two goals he was at fault for. The first he didn't close the man down and the second he played Bamford onside when he was looking right along the line.

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« Reply #410 on: March 02, 2019, 02:58:41 AM »
After taking a breath IMO a poor performance, outplayed, lacked creativity, out coached.
But.... Leeds put in a hell of a performance, ripped us to shreds and if they played like that against ANY team in the division they would probably have won handsomely.

We just lost to 2 better organized, better coached teams than us. I agree we are done for automatic promotion but I disagree with all the naysayers  expressing we will not make the playoffs.  We should comfortably make the playoffs with the games we have left and the team we have. I think a shake up of team selection needs to be made and a few regulars need to earn their keep and not live on past reputation.

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« Reply #411 on: March 02, 2019, 04:30:31 AM »
After taking a breath IMO a poor performance, outplayed, lacked creativity, out coached.
But.... Leeds put in a hell of a performance, ripped us to shreds and if they played like that against ANY team in the division they would probably have won handsomely.

We just lost to 2 better organized, better coached teams than us. I agree we are done for automatic promotion but I disagree with all the naysayers  expressing we will not make the playoffs.  We should comfortably make the playoffs with the games we have left and the team we have. I think a shake up of team selection needs to be made and a few regulars need to earn their keep and not live on past reputation.
With all due respect, any team would rip apart another that performs badly, lacks creativity, and lacks coaching. We made them look like world beaters. They were good, admittedly. We, however, stunk the place out. And I rarely criticise us.
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« Reply #412 on: March 02, 2019, 05:43:14 AM »
Well we were well and truly outplayed from start to finish. They looked up for it and yards quicker than us (despite only playing 3 days a go) throughout the team we looked slow and had no balance.

Team selection and tactics have been wrong for weeks. The 3 up top isn't working as Gayle as out of position and being carried, Rodriguez can't hold the ball and gives it away if he manages to trap the thing.

Livermore despite a rare game winning contribution at QPR was back to not really doing much except charge about like a headless chicken. Barry again against a fast aggressive midfield was at sea. Harper needs taking out of firing line confidence has gone.

Playing tosin at left back was criminal either give Townsend ago or if he doesn't rate him he might as well have played mears.

Can't fault the goalie (although I want him to try bond) he didn't have a chance with any of them.

That's curtains for us for automatic spots. And the way we are going we might not make the play offs. And failure to go up were in a right mess
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #413 on: March 02, 2019, 07:22:45 AM »
LOOKS LIKE THE CLUB HAVE JUST SAVED THERE SELF 10 MILLION .

rubbish against Sheffield and Leeds but, the writing has been on the wall a long time. Thinking back on the season, how many games can we really say we played well. Not many.

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« Reply #414 on: March 02, 2019, 07:25:48 AM »
I'm sick of seeing posts regarding 'we have the best squad in this league' probably from the same people that were saying our squad from last year was the best we've ever assembled.
Total and utter rubbish.
In that Leeds side that played last night I can't see one of our players that would get into their side.
The goalkeeper came and caught everything, back four solid as a rock in the centre, we never laid a glove on either of the full backs.
Mid field hassles and breaks quickly.
Front two always moving and looking for the ball.
They gave us a lesson last night.
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« Reply #415 on: March 02, 2019, 07:59:08 AM »
I'm sick of seeing posts regarding 'we have the best squad in this league' probably from the same people that were saying our squad from last year was the best we've ever assembled.
Total and utter rubbish.
In that Leeds side that played last night I can't see one of our players that would get into their side.
The goalkeeper came and caught everything, back four solid as a rock in the centre, we never laid a glove on either of the full backs.
Mid field hassles and breaks quickly.
Front two always moving and looking for the ball.
They gave us a lesson last night.
Big Dave take some notes

How is this accurate?

Firstly we beat Leeds 4-1 at home.
Secondly we have both played QPR away within a few days of each other us winning 2-3 them losing 1-0.
Check Leeds record over the past 10 games their results have been patchy at best with their fans frustrated.
We were deservedly beaten by Sheffield U because their manager perfectly executed a game plan.
We were rinsed last night because our Manager used the same tactics and didn’t learn despite Leeds only having 72 hours rest from their previous outing.

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« Reply #416 on: March 02, 2019, 08:27:12 AM »
Leaving tactics etc aside, I don't think we should underestimate the psychological impact on Leeds players of getting that early goal.
IMO, had we not conceded that early, it would have been a different game.
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« Reply #417 on: March 02, 2019, 08:39:22 AM »
I agree DM probably had a single plan for the game but that went down the pan in 15 seconds so he had 89:45 plus injury time to do something using his nous and know-how and he didn't because he hasn't got any.

Forget proactive and forward thinking he doesn't even react these days.

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« Reply #418 on: March 02, 2019, 08:56:53 AM »
Ok, had time to digest last night now.

Firstly the team selection. Given that Glassy Phillips was injured again I don't criticise the team selection in midfield. We could've played Field or Johansen but Livermore, Barry and Harper was no worse a combination than any other.

Up front without Harvey Barnes we have no creativity or on the ball quality. In this case the threat we have to offer is pace we have that in Murphy and Montero. One of them had to start because Rodriguez and Gayle are not going to offer any creativity and are not going to put defenders on the back foot in the 4-3-3 system.

Now the shocking selection, Tosin Adarabioyo at left back. No Darren, no, no, no. We have a specialist left back available in Conor Townsend. Townsend may not be the best but he's a natural left back, he will get up and down the pitch, has energy and is a far better option than playing Adarabioyo there. Tosin filling in at right back at times is just about acceptable but a tleft back, no. Utterly stupid decision and I know "stupid" is a strong word but yes it was stupid.

When we played Leeds at home and Norwich at home we started fast and were tenacious both times that's what we needed last night we got absolutely the opposite.

The first goal 16 seconds. Ridiculous, from our kick off. We spend all game fannying about at the back trying to keep the ball but from a kick off we don't try and keep possession. Their defender wins the header and the ball ends up coming across to Hernandez. Out of position or not, Adarabioyo's defending is abysmal. He actually does nothing, other than shift his weight slightly onto his left which was just barmy as the goal was on the right side of him. Other than that, nothing, no attempt to block the shot, no moving towards Hernandez, no tackle, absolutely zero defending. A world class 'keeper may have saved it but no real blame on Johnstone.

After that Leeds ran us off the park. The second goal was inevitable. Dawson seems to have received some blame for the goal but it's a bit harsh, they play round him, it's the full backs to blame. Tosin and Holgate are not in line, they both play Bamford onside. Tosin has a perfect view of his fellow defenders inside him he has to move out. Holgate just walks back literally. Awful.

It's not just the goals the whole performance was awful. Slow, no aggression, no tempo, passing and reception of the ball, awful. The telling stat for me was at half time Leeds had made something like 23 tackles, we had made something like 7, (can't remember exact figures). That disparity says it all for me. Our mindset was all about trying to pass the ball, we forgot the tempo and the intensity that we showed in our home fixture against them.

At half time I'm thinking Darren is going to change things here, either Murphy or Montero are going to come on and we're going to change shape, surely? No, nothing. The only real change we made was our wide forwards played much narrower. We actually started the second half much better, more intensity, more aggression. Robson-Kanu misses a great chance from a header. If that goes in the momentum may have shifted but it didn't and we concede another shocking goal. The way Roberts goes past Livermore is embarrassing, Holgate then dangles a leg in a terrible attempt at a tackle and the deflection takes the ball into the goal. After that, Leeds ran all over us again. The forth goal was really well worked gotta give Leeds credit.

That Leeds performance last night was the type of performance I've been waiting to see from us all season. We produced that level of performance first twenty five minutes at home to Leeds and Norwich and second half at Sheffield United, other than that, not at all and certainly not over a full ninety minutes.

Leeds are the best team we've played this season and Norwich deserve to be top two with them. I said at the beginning of the season I thought we'd make the play off's and that looks likely now although unpredictable as this league is the top two still isn't impossible. Can't see us finishing top two though, we simply aren't good enough. Those people worrying about us losing our "stars" next season I'd ask just who they think our "Premier League quality" players are. I don't see many of them.


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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #419 on: March 02, 2019, 09:12:33 AM »
Putting to one side yet another poor team selection and lack of subs ( months now ), I can't help but notice the basic lack of fight , heart and effort . No tempo , no bottle in big games lately .
Very worrying .
Only positive I can take there is now no excuse for a system and team shake up .
Ipswich can't come quick enough for me.
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« Reply #420 on: March 02, 2019, 09:37:12 AM »
How is this accurate?

Firstly we beat Leeds 4-1 at home.
Secondly we have both played QPR away within a few days of each other us winning 2-3 them losing 1-0.
Check Leeds record over the past 10 games their results have been patchy at best with their fans frustrated.
We were deservedly beaten by Sheffield U because their manager perfectly executed a game plan.
We were rinsed last night because our Manager used the same tactics and didn’t learn despite Leeds only having 72 hours rest from their previous outing.

How is it accurate?
If you were the Leeds manager which of our players would you have swapped with his 11 last night?
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« Reply #421 on: March 02, 2019, 09:37:40 AM »
Automatic has definitely gone now. The best we can hope for is a play off place and even then I don't fancy our chances in the play offs.

When we played the top 5 teams in the 1st half of the season we Won 4 ( Norwich, Leeds, Sheff Utd, Bristol City) and lost 1  ( Middlesboro)

In the 2nd half of the season we have Lost 3 ( Leeds, Sheff Utd, Middlesboro), Drew 1 (Norwich) with 1 still to play.

So at the moment we can't compete with the best in the division!!

I suppose the determining factor in the 1st half of the season was Harvey Barnes.  We have nothing to replace him.

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« Reply #422 on: March 02, 2019, 09:38:36 AM »
The alarm bells were ringing post Middlesbrough. For a Pulis team to bag 3 away is almost unheard of. It was a game we dominated, were the better side and just shot ourselves in the foot. Norwich we should have beat as we were the better side. QPR and Villa papered over the cracks.

We will be lucky to make top 6.

A lot of people who saw those warning signs were shouted down by others.  Maybe we were just being honest and calling it for what it was.

Tactically we are just woeful. O'Neill, Wilder and now Bielsa have shown how a good manager can influence.

I guess the Board will be motionless while we wave promotion goodbye.

To use the Middlesbrough game as a stick to beat amoore with is severely unfair in my view

The three goals that day were all self inflicted and nothing to do with Darren Moore.

The players need to be accountable for their own mistakes and not protected due to a will to castigate their boss
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« Reply #423 on: March 02, 2019, 09:45:47 AM »
To use the Middlesbrough game as a stick to beat amoore with is severely unfair in my view

The three goals that day were all self inflicted and nothing to do with Darren Moore.

The players need to be accountable for their own mistakes and not protected due to a will to castigate their boss

But wasn't Moore who bought Brunt on and his first touch of the ball gifted Middlesbrough a goal !!!

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« Reply #424 on: March 02, 2019, 09:49:11 AM »
But wasn't Moore who bought Brunt on and his first touch of the ball gifted Middlesbrough a goal !!!

Yes

I remember Darren Moore instructing Chris Brunt to go on the pitch and miss kick the ball to allow them to score
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