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Re: Atmosphere at Home Games
« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2024, 11:39:16 AM »
It obviously makes sense to encourage the next generation of (potential) supporters.

I wonder whether the youngsters might be influenced by the sort of pre-match entertainment they see from watching American Football on TV/stream - I know its all about razzmatazz and very little about actual playing, flowing  action .

I think all football clubs will need to try harder as the coming generation are not so used to the spartan fare that I experienced (gladly) when I first went to the Hawthorns.  At least it seemed easy to park and get to the ground.
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« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2024, 07:19:20 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2024, 01:48:09 PM »
It obviously makes sense to encourage the next generation of (potential) supporters.

I wonder whether the youngsters might be influenced by the sort of pre-match entertainment they see from watching American Football on TV/stream - I know its all about razzmatazz and very little about actual playing, flowing  action .

I think all football clubs will need to try harder as the coming generation are not so used to the spartan fare that I experienced (gladly) when I first went to the Hawthorns.  At least it seemed easy to park and get to the ground.
Even if we have an American owner, hope we don't see too much US style pre-match razamtazz etc. American Football, baseball etc have evolved differently to football as we know it, and part of the matchday experience here, is the typical football atmosphere in the stadiums.  That 'should' be mainly generated by the crowd and fans and not outside gimmicks.
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« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2024, 09:58:56 PM »
Can't think of a single ground in the country where more fans leave before full time than ours, regardless of win/draw/lose

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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2024, 09:59:49 PM »
Can't think of a single ground in the country where more fans leave before full time than ours, regardless of win/draw/lose

You've not been to Spurs new ground! Them buggers sod off around 60 mins in

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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2024, 10:13:56 PM »
Can't think of a single ground in the country where more fans leave before full time than ours, regardless of win/draw/lose
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2024, 07:26:42 AM »
I think our style of play doesn’t help the atmosphere,yes it’s a results business but how many games this season can you say you’ve been out of your seats with the football we play ,last night for example Rotherham rock bottom no away wins instead of going for the we were quite happy just passing it side wards and backwards !felt like a training game

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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2024, 08:21:30 AM »
Can't think of a single ground in the country where more fans leave before full time than ours, regardless of win/draw/lose
West hammers were leaving in droves at half time a few weeks ago
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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2024, 08:55:32 AM »
quite possibly the worst atmosphere last night for many years, the times i use to get excited going to home games, now its a chore. hopefully it changes with whatever the new owner might have in store from next season
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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2024, 09:20:05 AM »
I think our style of play doesn’t help the atmosphere,yes it’s a results business but how many games this season can you say you’ve been out of your seats with the football we play ,last night for example Rotherham rock bottom no away wins instead of going for the we were quite happy just passing it side wards and backwards !felt like a training game

I have to agree and it was one of the main reasons why I didn't renew this season. I find us boring to watch. It's at walking pace at the back most of the time. I appreciate that these are the tactics and we are getting results but I'd also like to be entertained too.
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« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2024, 12:55:01 PM »
I have to agree and it was one of the main reasons why I didn't renew this season. I find us boring to watch. It's at walking pace at the back most of the time. I appreciate that these are the tactics and we are getting results but I'd also like to be entertained too.

As someone said in another thread, we are cutting our cloth to suit what we have. This is not the team that CC has put together, rather it is what he inherited. It isn't always exciting but neither is it Pulisesque.

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« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2024, 02:26:16 PM »
Last night's game was like a friendly and the atmosphere was flat.

There was also ticket stewards waiting inside as you went through the turnstiles checking if adults were coming in using the £23 kids tickets.

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Re: Atmosphere at Home Games
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2024, 09:37:04 AM »
Dear, dear, (self moderation there  ::)) the transport situation around the Hawthorns after a match is dire.  At the station Yesterday people were queueing back beyond the (very healthy  :( ) burger van on the bridge.  For those who park very close the ground all the roads were snarled up.
I saw the queue and, what with the result itself, had had enough.  The three of us walked to Galton Bridge and got there just in time to pick up the Stourbridge bound train.  Walked off a lot of frustration too.   Somehow the club needs to liaise with local transport - such as it is.

In the stadium, two out of the three of us we didn't buy anything because of the queues.
The East stand atmosphere was generally a little depressing, one felt almost embarrassed to shout.  A little lad in front of me was giving encouragement.  It was his first match; I gave him my programme.

On the match, I wasn't too surprised, I'd seen Sunderland stifle Leeds.  Dodds the next Pulis?



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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2024, 11:14:09 AM »
I use the trains for home matches and it would be great if the club could liase with West Midland Trains to check out the feasibility of putting an additional service on after the matches, so starting from The Hawthorns station, something they (the train company) have done in the past at various times, particularly after the midweek home matches where anyone traveling in the Stourbridge / Kidderminster direction knows if you don't get the first one out in midweek you're lumbered with a long wait, one of the contributing reasons to supporters leaving the stadium early, something particularly noticeable for any midweek fixtures, and clearly so many fans leaving early doesn't help the atmosphere in the stadium. 

In the Birmingham direction there is the tram option, so supporters travelling to the city centre have two options but the majority of the Albion support does tend to use the other direction, hence the far larger queues.

Just one additional train, in addition to the normal services, would greatly ease the issues and it's not clear why the train company appear unable to do this for our Home matches when they have done it at various times in the past and something they did after the Wolves Cup match.

I do also personally feel the club should consider amending the KO times to midweek matches to 7.45pm, even on an experimental basis for maybe half a season.
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« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2024, 12:07:22 PM »
The club have been in communication with the relevant bodies regarding public transport on a number of occasions. This has been well documented in the Albion Assembly minutes. Same goes with the roads. Re public transport I can't see ongoing industrial action helping matters moving nowhere.
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« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2024, 02:41:51 PM »
You can't Kick Off at 19:45 currently due to the mess of the J1 island, until that is improved which I do believe Albion have raised the issue of it has to be 8PM, that comes down to Sandwell Council and Highways England.

Anyway onto the Atmosphere, before yesterday me and a few other blokes aged between there late twenties and Mid to late fourties with probably a bloke in there mid thirties have tried to get an Atmosphere going at Darlaston, going for the play Offs, we felt we needed a chant. It actually started before the last few games with just one chant Going down the Bentley Road copied of Albion and Walsall as I support Albion and the others did support Walsall and obviously we both sing walking down the Brummie Road/Wednesbury Road, so anyway we sang it and no one else would join in, so we felt weird now at first it was understandable we weren't sure if our current unbeaten run and push for the play Offs would amount. When it looked like it could we hoped more would join in. They didn't, now last Saturday we played 2nd place Lichfield and battered them 4-0 so we started to sing your rubbish and you know you are it was obviously not that word only to be sold to stop swearing. Now these blokes have young kids and have said at the Football they don't mind swearing on the bus or something yeah, but when Alochol is mixed with passion and the release of a week of work yeah it's fine. Now afterwards in the Bar I stated what's to stop me standing on my mates shed he lives behind and singing there. An old bloke then said I don't care if you swear there but I can stop you here. That really annoyed me as he is probably in his 60's or 70's and I'm In my 20's I wasn't being Thuggish I was being passionate. Anyway a bloke raised a point that these days at the Football everything is Liberal which back in the 90's meant the opposite of today, now more women and Children watch, which is fine but you should expect swearing.

My first Albion game was the 3rd Round of the FA Cup against Wigan under Big Dave, I sat in the East Stand and I remember the Smethwick or Brummie singing a song with swearing in and This kid sat behind me told his Mum Arrrgh Mum there swearing, the mum said they were naughty the kid looked about 10 and then she tuted. She had an Albion shirt on so surely knew that was the Smethwick they Swear then, If it was me myself I wouldn't sit in the East Stand, I would sit in the Smethwick or Brummie and if I did sit in the East I would sing the Liquidator, but because it is our family Stand I wouldn't swear. I also saw this season the game against Wolves a mother was moaning about the swearing and atmosphere. Me and my wolves supporting mate who was there both said yeah the scenes weren't nice but why would you take a young child to the first Black Country Derby in 12 years, he said he wouldn't take his future kids to one until they are at least 18. I said 16 as they should be mature enough if they aren't 18 if not 21.

I think the issue is people want to go to the football but see people my age up to there 40's who are passionate singing and giving abuse swigging a pint as Drunken loud mouth yobs and they don't expect it, they expect everyone to be friendly and not swearing. As someone said it is to Liberal now, Football for most blokes is the last place they can swear and abuse. Now abusing players I don't do, I wouldn't do it they are trying there best especially these lads, I said to someone Albion and Darlo are the same the players want to get into the Playoffs and you can tell feel down when they lose. But I can also see people might be angry after work want to watch the Albion and overstep the marks. Referees I wouldn't abuse for Race, Sex but if I was sat in the Brummie and he was getting abuse I would join in as long as it didn't go to far.

I think football now is a strange place you have people like me young lads who like to use it as a social gathering, talking about one of my passions whilst having a few drinks with My mates or people I get to know and then sing for 90 minutes and then you have people who expect it to be a family day out. Sadly both aspects can't agree and it kills the atmosphere or causes people to overstep the mark. I've always said I would tell my kids they could swear around me and at the Football, Lad or girl I would explain to them I won't take them to games against Villa or Wolves until there 16 or 18 maybe 18 to drink with there dad (me) but I would teach them the Liquidator and all the other chants. But sadly not everyone sees it like this
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Re: Atmosphere at Home Games
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2024, 03:11:32 PM »
Baggie Boy I'm 70 and I swear with the best of them before the year 2000 anything was fair game and it was a laugh.
Fast forward 20yrs and football is like being in church political correctness drives me bonkers.
As you say football is a place or used to be where you could let off steam after a week's graft for me it's lost it's soul which is one of the reasons I no longer attend but don't think it's a generational thing all those oldies around you have behaved far worse than you can imagine be sure of that.

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« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2024, 05:29:08 PM »
Football has definitely moved away from its working class roots and become more mainstream, leading to a lot of people going who never used to back in the day.

The upshot is that these people don't want to be part of the atmosphere, they're there for a fun, family day out. They don't really understand the tribalism of football, and so you get this sanitised atmosphere where people don't want to sing.

That's not just with us, it's everywhere. Nowhere has the atmosphere it used to. That's why the away support tends to be louder, only the truly committed (or those that should be) travel away consistently.

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« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2024, 05:33:43 PM »
Baggie Boy I'm 70 and I swear with the best of them before the year 2000 anything was fair game and it was a laugh.
Fast forward 20yrs and football is like being in church political correctness drives me bonkers.
As you say football is a place or used to be where you could let off steam after a week's graft for me it's lost it's soul which is one of the reasons I no longer attend but don't think it's a generational thing all those oldies around you have behaved far worse than you can imagine be sure of that.
That and Sky is part the reason I Don't get to many if any Albion games, Non League is easier normally Saturday 3PM or Midweek 19:45 and basically unless the weather plays a factor you know you can to go to the game.

The biggest reason is rather than there being a few folks moaning also probably concerned I could get the club fined, I do not act like Dudley they act Aggressive I just chant passionately and we are still a friendly bunch we clapped our opposition of the pitch and I spoke to one of there fans. I would probably have Mother's I say Mother's most blokes know what Football is like they were likely singing back in there younger days, my dad for example stood on the Brummie Terraces in the 90's he went to Wembley in 92 and so on. But either way I would get families moan at me for singing the Liquidator or Swearing.

Whilst I want young uns to get involved I think they should watch us on Sky or Ifollow with there families and then when they are 13-16 unless it's Wolves or Villa then 16-18 as let's be honest most 13 year olds know what Swear words mean and probably swear at school or with there mates. Then you take to the game if you don't like the thought of 23,000 thousand Baggies fans being passionate. That way the older mature folks from 18 to about 50/60 plus can all go to the Pubs and drink, and sing. The Brummie and Smethwick could be singing well before the Liquidator is played the Halfords for Players families and Neutrals and the East for those 13-16 year old and there families and older folks.
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« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2024, 07:28:19 AM »
I had my first season ticket up the Albion at 8 and my dad would let me swear but he made it known that if I ever swore in front of my mom or pretty much anywhere else outside of football that my season ticket would not be used going forward

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« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2024, 10:05:23 AM »
I had my first season ticket up the Albion at 8 and my dad would let me swear but he made it known that if I ever swore in front of my mom or pretty much anywhere else outside of football that my season ticket would not be used going forward
That is exactly what I would do Difference is they could swear around me at home and outside of the house as long as it wasn't to teachers, police you know anyone who they may come across that isn't there friends or someone in a Pub, If there mum is cool with swearing then yeah that's up to her I'd she says they can swear around her. But to me around me yeah swear alone in your bedroom and you drop something or spill food on say a t-shirt or your angry at a game yeah swear but not around there mum, family or in public that isn't a bus with me present or not ie a Bus for no context unless the driver has to slam on the brakes. I got told off for swearing in front of my stepmum, my dad doesn't care apart from the C word or excessively. But if I say a few swear words during MOTD or Albion games or describing something like politics, the news whatever he doesn't mind.

Football should be for families but only if they are prepared to hear the Smethwick and Brummie and older folks F and blinding and singing the liquidator, where families stop unless the kids are 16-18 is derbies.Villa, Wolves and maybe Blues as that would either be lots of swearing or As we saw hooligans.
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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2024, 11:17:33 AM »
My first memories of football are of the shock of
    • proper black country accents" (being as I am from Great Barr).
      Getting on the special and the chaos and singing on the top deck,
      The queues and crush to get in / under the gates
      Knees up mother brown and the pushing and shoving of great waves of humanity against "crash barriers"
      The smell of beer / fags / pi55 (the bogs under the brummie were open sewers
      The incessant singing, once I learned the words of the songs, I would leave the ground hoarse
      The running "battles" in halfords lane, often with no actual violence
      The swearing by thousands, like "your going to get your freaking head kicked in"

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Thats what I fell in love with and in some ways the football was just a facilitator to the match experience

Oh and Willie beating a full back and inviting hiim back for another go, while Ossy had a fag from a fan, the like of which will never be seen again !

I actually feel sorry for modern fans not living that experience.

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« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2024, 11:55:33 AM »
quite possibly the worst atmosphere last night for many years, the times i use to get excited going to home games, now its a chore. hopefully it changes with whatever the new owner might have in store from next season

the game didn't help, an 8 o'clock kick off as well.

i'd been in the pub since 5:15 and tbh i was ready for bed at half time.

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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2024, 12:11:39 PM »
the game didn't help, an 8 o'clock kick off as well.

i'd been in the pub since 5:15 and tbh i was ready for bed at half time.

They clearly don't make bald Bond type villains like they used to Jeremy  ;D  ;) .
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« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2024, 11:25:05 AM »
They clearly don't make bald Bond type villains like they used to Jeremy  ;D  ;) .

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