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« on: July 15, 2018, 08:42:29 PM »
It seems that the promising youth teams we have are starting to supply players that can challenge for squad places or better.

The obvious ones are the likes of Field, Harper and Leko but it seems now that we have a good crop coming through behind them as well.

Palmer, Wilkins, Melbourne, Fitzwater, Tulloch, Edwards, Jameson, Dyce all look capable and could possibly feature at some point if needed. I have probably missed a few but you get the idea.

It just makes me feel positive that the academy is proving its worth and working well.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2018, 09:23:51 PM »
Field is beyond the youngster stage and I would expect to be a regular this season. For me, Leko has some catching up to do before he's first-team material. But I fully expect Darren Moore to blood Wilson, Fitzwater, Jameson, Harper, Edwards and maybe Tulloch and Dyce at some stage. Not all at once and not all together but they are the future and they deserve to be given the chance to step up to the plate.

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2018, 11:32:10 PM »
Leko is nowhere near first team material. He has alot of maturing to do as a player. He is very skillfull but doesn't know when to release the ball. Sometimes he will take a player on go past him and instead of releasing it he would rather go back and take them on again. As the poster above said Field is past the youngster stage now and he could easily become a valued member of the first 11 this season. Ive even gone as far as saying that in 3/4 years he could possibly represent England at full senior level. Edwards and Wilson also look handy and could play a part this season but I wouldn't go any further than that.

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 06:34:37 AM »
Think leko needs a season on loan with the saddlers. We need Burke to be getting game time.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 06:58:11 AM »
Edwards looking bright so far in pre-season

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2018, 07:56:33 AM »
apart from field i dont see any youngster near 1st team squad but barry, livermore and brunt will keep him out and there is our problem. edwards is defiently pushing and looks handy but leko i really cant see making it, will end up lower league all pace and no idea

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2018, 08:14:44 AM »
I think Fitzwater will be pushing for the first team this year. I know Pulis rated him when sending him out on loan and you know how he likes his defenders!

Jimmy Shan always speaks highly of him on Twitter.

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2018, 11:57:33 AM »
It's now or never for the academy. There's a few promising players coming through - namely Morgan Rogers who's one of the absolute best prospects in the country his age, and also Tulloch (recently in the England under 17 euro squad), Ferguson (just named in the England under 19 squad for the european championship).

But if they can't see the likes of Field playing regularly, the other  academy players like Wilson, Harper, and Edwards getting minutes this season - they would be well within their rights to wonder why they should stay here. People like Rogers can go to basically any club in the country, if we can't offer opportunities, we offer them nothing.

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2018, 12:22:13 PM »
If we, a Championship club, can’t offer them a place in the squad, then they obviously aren’t good enough at this level. If they aren’t good enough at this level, then there is no need for us to keep them.

I think young, ambitious players are beginning to cotton on that it is nigh on impossible to break through at a top 6 Premier League club. Loftus-Cheek being the most recent player to come out and say young players have to leave the bigger clubs to give themselves the best opportunity.

Rogers, Field, Tulloch etc. know that and I think they’ll stay and try their hardest to break through. If they are good enough, they’ll play, if not then they obviously aren’t good enough and are surplus to requirements.

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 06:53:05 PM »
If Edwards continues his form in the remaining friendlies, I wonder what chance he has of starting against Bolton ?

I think we need to get away a bit from the idea that the Championship is some sort of massive step-up. It may be so going on what he's played in previously but if a young player is in form and confident I think we should look to give him his chance. McLean should be out of the picture, Edwards seems to be showing more than Leko at the moment and probably only Phillips of the wide players would be pretty certain to start.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 09:48:45 PM »
While there was an excuse while in the premier, the second tier is a different standard and our academy has to start producing some players for the 1st team now, even if it is only 1 or 2.

Our problem in judging development is that in my lifetime, we have "graduated" very few players from our academy and so it is hard to tell where the players should be in their development based on age and position.

Sam Field, if he can ever stay fit, seems to be top of the queue, but after that, it's anyone's guess who is the most likely to break through.

Kyle Edwards has had a great pre season so far, but then again, he is the same age as Marcus Rashford and last year he was still not a regular starter for league 2 Exeter, scoring only 2 goals all season. It's possible he is a late developer, or maybe he can be developed into more of a wide forward in a non goals orientated role. He will be an interesting experiment in if somebody can develop a bit later than expected.

Leko seems to have lost all of his momentum, and for some reason I can't see him breaking through now. Instead it feels like Rakeem Harper has over taken him as the midfielder with the best chance of first team opportunties next season.

Fitzwater had a good spell at Walsall and I hope we show some faith in him in a back up role. Test if he can make the step up.

Kane Wilson could be interesting as there may end up being gaps at full back, although I personally feel he might be better served by another full loan spell.

The other young defenders coming through like Max Melbourne, Kyle Jameson, Nathan Ferguson and Tyrese Dyce all have the potential to burst onto the scene this year.

The best chances however are usually strikers. Strikers can make more mistakes as it is further up the pitch and the role takes less to learn. They usually develop quicker and so it will be interesting to see if someone like Rayhaan Tulloch or even Morgan Rogers (maybe 1 or 2 years too early) can make their mark this year.

Lets hope they can take the chances they get this season.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 06:34:33 PM »
Agree there is a real possibility we could see more home grown talent on the hallowed Hawthorns turf, than ever before. Big fan of Kane Wilson, and i'm sure i read somewhere, he played all of the recent friendly at Swindon, & was the only player to do so. From what i can gather, although Leko seems to have stalled somewhat, the likes of Harper, Fitzwater, Edwards & Field, could get quite a few first team minutes in the coming season.

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 08:30:07 PM »
Agree there is a real possibility we could see more home grown talent on the hallowed Hawthorns turf, than ever before. Big fan of Kane Wilson, and i'm sure i read somewhere, he played all of the recent friendly at Swindon, & was the only player to do so. From what i can gather, although Leko seems to have stalled somewhat, the likes of Harper, Fitzwater, Edwards & Field, could get quite a few first team minutes in the coming season.

I wasn't at Swindon and I don't know how accurate this is.

But a pal of mine who did go thought Wilson had stacked on a wee bit of timber over the summer.

If so then it may explain why he played for so long out in the hot sun.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 08:43:45 PM »
I wasn't at Swindon and I don't know how accurate this is.

But a pal of mine who did go thought Wilson had stacked on a wee bit of timber over the summer.

If so then it may explain why he played for so long out in the hot sun.
Could be but he's always had that sort of stocky build about him. Human metabolism and genetics, some people stay stick thin, others put on weight more easily. Hopefully the fitness guys are more measuring the physical performance rather than the shape.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2018, 09:01:12 AM »
My mate's a ST holder at Walsall and rates Fitzwater very highly and has no doubt he can make the step up.
Hope he does and keeps Dawson on the bench.

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 12:45:52 PM »
My mate's a ST holder at Walsall and rates Fitzwater very highly and has no doubt he can make the step up.
Hope he does and keeps Dawson on the bench.

Dawson is a financial asset and keeping him sat on the bench would devalue that asset, with the obvious knock on effect to the clubs spending power
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 01:21:12 PM »
Dawson is a financial asset and keeping him sat on the bench would devalue that asset, with the obvious knock on effect to the clubs spending power

But why should Dawson play ahead of a player thats pledged his future to us, rather than a player desperate to leave?? He want's out so let him sit out each game.

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 01:59:20 PM »
Dawson is a financial asset and keeping him sat on the bench would devalue that asset, with the obvious knock on effect to the clubs spending power
I know all that, but that is exactly why football in general is in the gutter at the minute, because everything is driven by money, even fan's opinions! I love the Albion but, they don't drop a brown envelope round my house every Friday, so I try not to let the financials guide my thoughts.
Dawson has disrespected the club, and so loses all respect from me, and my principles lead me to hope that he doesn't play again but nor does he get his wishes. If that means him sitting on the bench whilst a young kid gets the chance then so be it. Of course it makes no financial sense but wouldn't it be nice to take a principled stand for once.

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 02:01:29 PM »
I know all that, but that is exactly why football in general is in the gutter at the minute, because everything is driven by money, even fan's opinions! I love the Albion but, they don't drop a brown envelope round my house every Friday, so I try not to let the financials guide my thoughts.
Dawson has disrespected the club, and so loses all respect from me, and my principles lead me to hope that he doesn't play again but nor does he get his wishes. If that means him sitting on the bench whilst a young kid gets the chance then so be it. Of course it makes no financial sense but wouldn't it be nice to take a principled stand for once.

A few non-sensical financial decisions at the club in recent times to be fair,
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2018, 08:49:24 PM »
I thought Melbourne looked very assured last night, looks a good prospect.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2018, 02:26:40 PM »
I thought Melbourne looked very assured last night, looks a good prospect.

Has gone on loan to Partick Thistle
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2018, 03:27:05 PM »
I thought Melbourne looked very assured last night, looks a good prospect.
I thought so too mate....................but what do we know.
In the overall scheme of things can't see many opportunities for "the crop" . If still here the old guard will rule the roost.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2018, 03:35:33 AM »
We need youth players to step up as it looks like owner won't be with regards to investing in first team.

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2018, 04:50:04 AM »
I thought Melbourne looked very assured last night, looks a good prospect.

Hence why the kid has got his loan at Patrick thistle
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2018, 07:22:32 AM »
i always worry that other clubs will snap up our youth players without us trying them in the first team. we then see the player shine elsewhere and then have regrets! Roofe/Wood being examples of other sides that have benefited
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2018, 09:27:36 AM »
i always worry that other clubs will snap up our youth players without us trying them in the first team. we then see the player shine elsewhere and then have regrets! Roofe/Wood being examples of other sides that have benefited

You say they've shined, but neither has shone at Premier League level, which is where we've been for the last several seasons.

I'm a big fan of giving the kids a chance, but we haven't recently let a player go who has gone on to bigger and better things.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2018, 09:37:54 AM »
I'm a big fan of giving the kids a chance, but we haven't recently let a player go who has gone on to bigger and better things.

Berahino is certainly bigger, not so sure about better, mind.

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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2018, 09:43:00 AM »
Berahino is certainly bigger, not so sure about better, mind.
.    How about Chris Wood he was one of our own now he's playing Europa league football.

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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2018, 11:50:29 AM »
.    How about Chris Wood he was one of our own now he's playing Europa league football.


When we sold him after a string of successful Championship loan spells (a goal every 3 or 4 games) he struggled to get in the Leicester team as a regular and we had Odemwingie, Long and Lukaku at the time. Moving away made him the player he is, had we kept him for the 4 years it took him to get back to the Premier League he'd most likely have faded away through lack of game time etc.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2018, 02:04:20 PM »
How about Chris Wood he was one of our own now he's playing Europa league football.
He wasn't entirely a product of our academy as we signed him from New Zealand when he was around 17.

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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2018, 02:05:17 PM »
i always worry that other clubs will snap up our youth players without us trying them in the first team. we then see the player shine elsewhere and then have regrets! Roofe/Wood being examples of other sides that have benefited
Those 2 are definitely the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority disappear into lower league obscurity or worse.

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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2018, 06:36:46 PM »
Keep seeing that Walsall are desperate for players- we should use this to our advantage.

Kane Wilson got 20odd games in league 2 last year, a year long loan there would be beneficial for him. Also think leko should go there for 6 months if not a year he's lost his way and needs game time.

Is young Harper going to play much this year? He's another candidate for a loan
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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2018, 10:31:55 AM »
I would only keep Edwards and Field for the forthcoming season. If we are in the market for a right back (Tom James, Jack Stacey) then i would look at getting Kane Wilson out for a year.

I'd look to get Leko and Harper out until January to see how they do and bring them back for the last half of the season if they impress.

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2018, 10:42:42 AM »
I would only keep Edwards and Field for the forthcoming season. If we are in the market for a right back (Tom James, Jack Stacey) then i would look at getting Kane Wilson out for a year.

I'd look to get Leko and Harper out until January to see how they do and bring them back for the last half of the season if they impress.

Spot on.

Include Palmer into that. I would also potentially look at sending Nathan Ferguson out on loan, seems highly rated within the club so be good to get him some gametime somewhere.
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2018, 01:42:09 PM »
Chris Wood, Saido Berahino, Izzy Brown, Jerome Sinclair, Yan Dhanda, Romaine Sawyers, Tyler Roberts, Keemar Roofe and George Thorne.

9 academy products all currently registered for clubs sitting in a higher place than us in the footballing pyramid at the moment. It id esrly days of course and that could change, but knowing how we have still not made much money from, or had much success in integrating academy players so far, it is a bit depressing to look at where we sit at the moment.
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2018, 01:30:59 PM »
Academy players banging in goals for respective countries Roger's 3 for England, Barry 2 for Ireland with Ferguson, Harper and Field getting game time.

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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2018, 02:00:30 PM »
Looks like Louie Barry will be another in the Grealish, Rice, Ireland and England debate.

Scored 10 in 5 for England earlier this year.

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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2018, 02:12:07 PM »
I can't see us keeping Morgan Rogers, he's regarded as a huge talent. One of the stars of a very talented England under 17 team. 

I don't really see what we can offer him if a big club comes in for him. He need only look at Field and Harper to see meaningful gametime isn't going to be offered.

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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2018, 03:18:50 PM »
I can't see us keeping Morgan Rogers, he's regarded as a huge talent. One of the stars of a very talented England under 17 team. 

I don't really see what we can offer him if a big club comes in for him. He need only look at Field and Harper to see meaningful gametime isn't going to be offered.
we can point at Tosin Adarabioyo... a big club won’t get you meaningful game time either.

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2018, 03:57:24 PM »
we can point at Tosin Adarabioyo... a big club won’t get you meaningful game time either.

We have to reference Izzy Brown, Yan Dhanda, Scott Sinclair. All left and arguably no further forward than they would have been had they stayed. None had any sort of meaningful breakthrough with Liverpool or Chelsea, and two have already left those clubs on permanent deals.

When Izzy committed at 16 then u-turned, the club supposedly put something in place to stop that happening again. I'm not sure what that is since the player supposedly can't sign until 17 but they said they had done it.

Its important we get players like Field minutes this year though, to prove there is a route.


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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2018, 06:26:13 PM »
Crop of young talent coming through so who ever is in charge of getting players to sign first professional contract will be busy  :D

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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2018, 07:56:00 PM »
Our u15s/U16s have a couple of the best players in the world for their age groups. Nathan Ferguson is starting for England U19s and he only turns 18 next month. Field and Harper in the England set up as well. Leko and Edwards clearly still have the potential based on their Carabao cup performances.

The future looks bright, but it's imperative we get Rogers and Barry signed up to pro contracts.

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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2018, 08:16:24 PM »
Our u15s/U16s have a couple of the best players in the world for their age groups. Nathan Ferguson is starting for England U19s and he only turns 18 next month. Field and Harper in the England set up as well. Leko and Edwards clearly still have the potential based on their Carabao cup performances.

The future looks bright, but it's imperative we get Rogers and Barry signed up to pro contracts.
which isn’t possible for another year or so, they are too young.

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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2018, 08:36:29 PM »
We have to reference Izzy Brown, Yan Dhanda, Scott Sinclair. All left and arguably no further forward than they would have been had they stayed. None had any sort of meaningful breakthrough with Liverpool or Chelsea, and two have already left those clubs on permanent deals.

If someone at the academy isn't drilling this concept into them they are being remiss.

We could really do with a youth teamer landing a first XI position. That would help alot
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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2018, 10:00:37 PM »
If someone at the academy isn't drilling this concept into them they are being remiss.

We could really do with a youth teamer landing a first XI position. That would help alot

We had one, he’s now at stoke.
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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2018, 10:46:07 PM »
We had one, he’s now at stoke.

He’s also useless and has not been missed one jot!

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2018, 08:58:21 AM »
We have to reference Izzy Brown, Yan Dhanda, Scott Sinclair. All left and arguably no further forward than they would have been had they stayed. None had any sort of meaningful breakthrough with Liverpool or Chelsea, and two have already left those clubs on permanent deals.

When Izzy committed at 16 then u-turned, the club supposedly put something in place to stop that happening again. I'm not sure what that is since the player supposedly can't sign until 17 but they said they had done it.

Its important we get players like Field minutes this year though, to prove there is a route.

Think you mean Jerome Sinclair. Your general point is pretty much spot on I think though.
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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2018, 01:26:43 PM »
Its important we get players like Field minutes this year though, to prove there is a route.
Players who aren't getting much/any game time in the first time need to be playing 90 minutes for the U23s, as they're steadily losing their match fitness and sharpness week by week through not playing.

When they do eventually get on the pitch, their lack of action currently will impact on their effectiveness, and make them look like they're of worse quality than they probably would have done had they been in action regularly. When you're rusty, taking your opportunity is more difficult.

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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2018, 07:46:20 PM »
Players who aren't getting much/any game time in the first time need to be playing 90 minutes for the U23s, as they're steadily losing their match fitness and sharpness week by week through not playing.

When they do eventually get on the pitch, their lack of action currently will impact on their effectiveness, and make them look like they're of worse quality than they probably would have done had they been in action regularly. When you're rusty, taking your opportunity is more difficult.
It would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind our more developed youngsters not playing in the under 23's. Must be something behind it - maybe they think Field, Harper and co should be playing higher level than under 23s or maybe they prioritise the development of younger players as there is a policy of playing youngsters out of their age group.
With the number of games in the Championship, we should be using the Carabao Cup and FA Cup to give Field, Harper, Leko, Edwards all those games regardless of who we are playing and how far we've progressed. They are very close to the 1st team anyway and hopefully they'll get chance to play half dozen games in the 1st team this season.
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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2018, 12:56:33 AM »
Thought Darren would have used a couple of youngsters in league by now, Qpr the game was won 30 minutes from the end so he could easily have introduced 3 Young players in that game.

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« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2018, 12:58:08 AM »
We have to reference Izzy Brown, Yan Dhanda, Scott Sinclair. All left and arguably no further forward than they would have been had they stayed. None had any sort of meaningful breakthrough with Liverpool or Chelsea, and two have already left those clubs on permanent deals.

When Izzy committed at 16 then u-turned, the club supposedly put something in place to stop that happening again. I'm not sure what that is since the player supposedly can't sign until 17 but they said they had done it.

Its important we get players like Field minutes this year though, to prove there is a route.

In terms of finance they are now way ahead though which unfortunately it seems is what drives many rather than time on the pitch.
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« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2018, 05:46:22 AM »
Yeah, and it's not just the kids who get their heads turned by the money, it's the parents too.

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« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2018, 01:33:57 PM »
It would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind our more developed youngsters not playing in the under 23's. Must be something behind it - maybe they think Field, Harper and co should be playing higher level than under 23s or maybe they prioritise the development of younger players as there is a policy of playing youngsters out of their age group.
It might be because they don't want to risk them getting injured because our squad is too small. Just before the loan window closed, Darren was talking about the potential for some of them to go out on loan but, as we only brought Mears in, none of them were loaned out in the end.

Of course, if they don't get into our first team, their opportunity to play at a higher standard has now gone until at least January. We need to keep them match-fit and sharp for when they do get called on (if they do) and for their own continuing development as players.

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« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2018, 08:14:24 AM »
We don't seem to be learning any lessons, despite our failure to integrate more than 1 youngster, Saido Berahino, into our first team.

The decision not to send any of our top young players out on loan is looking worse every week, especially when so few were used last night in a completely second eleven.

Young players take time to develop and need football. Berahino had loan moves at lower league clubs and slowly built to first team with us. Tyler Roberts had loan moves at lower league clubs before deciding his path would be blocked here, and last wekeend started up front for the top team in our division. Ditto Chris Wood who now plays premier league football. Keemar Roofe and Romaine Sawyers didn't get near the first team and left, only to bounce back to the championship after getting a bit of football under their belts.

There are others from our academy like George Thorne, Yan Dhanda and Izzy Brown who are with championship clubs, showing we do produce some footballers from every academy set up, but we don't know who to bring them through.

The likes of Field, Harper, Leko and Edwards needed another loan move if they were not part of our plans, as they are now in a key development stage. Atleast 3 of the 4 should have been considered for a league 1 loan mov le to a club that were lacking in that partocular area of the pitch.

I'm not saying all of these kids are going to make it to the first team of a championship ornpremier league club, butbour past record suggests that a couple of them may very well do that, but our failure to help them on that path os losing us money and potentially putting players off in the future who feel we are no different to a Chelsea or a Man City when it comes to giving players opportunities.
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« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2018, 09:50:05 PM »
Disappointing that none of Edwards, Leko or Burke started last night. I'm afraid it smacks a bit of being easier to leave them out than leave the more senior players out....plus DM has no doubt been heavily involved in the new Mozza contract and the Hoolahan signing so has made some investment in them.
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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2018, 01:29:04 PM »
I'd be really interested to see what the economics of our academy look like.  Once we take account of building it, scouting for it, coaches, player wages, shared costs of medical staff etc, I wonder what the total cost is and how many stars we need to find for it to break-even.   If it cost £2m each year, do we need to find a Berahino over 5 years or do we break even just by selling a player each year of two to League 1/2 that hasn't quite made the grade?

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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2018, 01:35:13 PM »
i would imagine that £2m is the running costs (staff / maintenance etc..), ie, not including cap-ex
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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2018, 09:46:58 PM »
Our under 21’s beat Blackpool at Bloomfield Road in our first checkatrade trophy game of the season.

I think it might be our first win in the competition since youth teams were allowed in. Seems to be a growing trend that lower league clubs are taking it less seriously so are losing more games, like a few today.

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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2018, 06:09:25 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/RowdenJRSG/status/1051866413227540480

England under 20s link, featuring Kyle Edwards and Sam Field.

A lot of praise for Sam Field on this account
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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2018, 09:53:59 PM »
Interesting how media reporting today, we have more England youth internationals than Man Ute and Liverpool.
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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2018, 10:54:21 PM »
16 year old Morgan Rogers, who made the bench vs Mansfield in the cup earlier this season,  scored tonight for England u17s v Brazil. A friend of mine who went (Telford fan) gave this report:

Morgan Rogers - 16 years old West Brom academy striker. Class above for England U17s tonight against Brazil.
Serious player


They were playing at Telford tonight. His goal was just unreal footwork. 3 players around him in the box and he just shifted the ball so quick, dribbled past and slotted it in.
Ridiculously quick, quite tall. Best young player I've seen


I know he's highly rated but we may have a serious prospect on our hands here. Still at 16 there's a long way to go.

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« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2018, 12:24:51 AM »
16 year old Morgan Rogers, who made the bench vs Mansfield in the cup earlier this season,  scored tonight for England u17s v Brazil. A friend of mine who went (Telford fan) gave this report:

Morgan Rogers - 16 years old West Brom academy striker. Class above for England U17s tonight against Brazil.
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They were playing at Telford tonight. His goal was just unreal footwork. 3 players around him in the box and he just shifted the ball so quick, dribbled past and slotted it in.
Ridiculously quick, quite tall. Best young player I've seen


I know he's highly rated but we may have a serious prospect on our hands here. Still at 16 there's a long way to go.


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« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2018, 07:29:15 AM »
16 year old Morgan Rogers, who made the bench vs Mansfield in the cup earlier this season,  scored tonight for England u17s v Brazil. A friend of mine who went (Telford fan) gave this report:

Morgan Rogers - 16 years old West Brom academy striker. Class above for England U17s tonight against Brazil.
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They were playing at Telford tonight. His goal was just unreal footwork. 3 players around him in the box and he just shifted the ball so quick, dribbled past and slotted it in.
Ridiculously quick, quite tall. Best young player I've seen


I know he's highly rated but we may have a serious prospect on our hands here. Still at 16 there's a long way to go.

There was a write up about Morgan Rogers back in September.

Local lad, been at the club since he was seven.

Sounds very promising.

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« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2018, 09:30:33 AM »
16 year old Morgan Rogers, who made the bench vs Mansfield in the cup earlier this season,  scored tonight for England u17s v Brazil. A friend of mine who went (Telford fan) gave this report:

Morgan Rogers - 16 years old West Brom academy striker. Class above for England U17s tonight against Brazil.
Serious player


They were playing at Telford tonight. His goal was just unreal footwork. 3 players around him in the box and he just shifted the ball so quick, dribbled past and slotted it in.
Ridiculously quick, quite tall. Best young player I've seen


I know he's highly rated but we may have a serious prospect on our hands here. Still at 16 there's a long way to go.

Is this the kid whos scoring for fun at the moment?
Granted he's 16 but seems a serious prospect. Just hope we manage to keep him around the academy/first team in the next couple of years and he doesn't think the grass is greener elsewhere (i.e Sinclair).
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« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2018, 04:38:32 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/RowdenJRSG/status/1051866413227540480

England under 20s link, featuring Kyle Edwards and Sam Field.

A lot of praise for Sam Field on this account

Field had a reasonable game playing a sort of libero role in front of back line (each member of which passed the ball immaculately!)
He did however lose his man for the Czech goal.
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« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2018, 05:35:46 PM »
Is this the kid whos scoring for fun at the moment?
Granted he's 16 but seems a serious prospect. Just hope we manage to keep him around the academy/first team in the next couple of years and he doesn't think the grass is greener elsewhere (i.e Sinclair).

Play him.  Simple as that.  There are plenty of players who had Premier League debuts at 16.  Is he a worse option for the last 10 mins than HRK??  If he is playing he may see a future here and aim a long term contract.  If he sees Field, Harper, Leko etc getting nowhere near the first team 5 years down the road from where he is, he may well decide its better to be in Chelsea youth than West Brom youth.  We can’t compete on wages or glamour.  We need to offer the one thing that Chelsea etc can’t offer and that is game time.

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« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2018, 07:24:00 PM »
Good shout, at some point we will be looking at someone else other than Dwight / Jay and I would love to see DM give one of the lads a chance and in so doing send a message to all our kids that they could have a future here
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« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2018, 10:49:59 PM »
Sounds like a serious prospect. I just hope there is a way we can prevent him from leaving given the time and effort that the club have clearly invested in him.

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« Reply #68 on: October 18, 2018, 12:44:24 AM »
Darren needs to be giving these kids a chance or what is the point of having a academy  ??? I believe Field could do a decent job in midfield, Burke could be utilised a head of Mears and what has happened to Leko anyone?