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West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => West Bromwich Albion FC => Topic started by: LiamTheBaggie on March 15, 2011, 05:15:52 PM
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Just wondering what your thoughts were, I was on facebook just where someone proclaimed that Bednar is better than Fortune and works alot harder, he then went on to call Marc Fortune 'shocking' to which I disagree and it got me thinking who would you prefer in the starting eleven if Odemwingie wasn't available.
I know Roman Bednar is no longer with the club, but just in case he was who would you prefer?
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Fortune - he gets on with his job without sulking, gobbing off or bringing shame on our good name.
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In the championship, Bednar who's a proven source of goals and does a very decent job as lone front man.
In the premier league, Fortune who's bloody awful at finishing (worst in the league) but nonetheless generally does do a good job for the team and we generally do play better with him in the side.
Really not sure he'd cut it in the Championship however, strangely enough.
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On the basis of this season's performances- Bednar. Fortune hasn't even been doing the basics this season at times.
Fortune has shown he can look good at this level though, while Bednar hasn't.
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Bednar works harder, and can actually provide a finish. I would feel more confident with him in the team.
Still should have been sacked for the drugs thing mind...
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I think Bednars work rate was a myth, he would lose out to centre halves nine games out of ten and just drift.
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No brainer. Fortune all the way. They is a reason why Bednar was shipped out to a struggling Turkish club while Fortune is still in the Premiership.
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Fortune all the way.Bednar championship at best.Who ever considers otherwise can lend my specs
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In our last Premier League season Fortune scored 4 in 17 starts while Bednar got 6 in 12. It isn't fair to add the 14 substitute appearances for Bednar as I don't know how long they were all for and could have been just a few minutes, however Bednar scored one or two penalties if I remember rightly.
Fortune gave us 4 assists to add to his goals while Bednar didn't, I accept that Bednar was almost always up front on his own while Fortune may as well have been with Jay Simpson alongside him a few times.
Looking at that I don't think there is all that much between them, although Bednar may get you an extra couple of goals Fortune seems to create more for others while scoring the odd couple of goals here and there. I would have Fortune every day of the week over Bednar personally, he is more of a team player and doesn't do any whining when he isn't in the team. Also Fortune has never disgraced this football club like Bednar did with his antics away from pitch.
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If I was manager Fortune wouldnt even make the bench, forget Bednar lets look at the ones who are here, there isnt one that I would put Fortune in front of the way he is playing at the moment! The lad is awful and I go home and away rather than an armchair critic so I reckon I am a farely good judge!
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If I was manager Fortune wouldnt even make the bench, forget Bednar lets look at the ones who are here, there isnt one that I would put Fortune in front of the way he is playing at the moment! The lad is awful and I go home and away rather than an armchair critic so I reckon I am a farely good judge!
So do i, and i disagree completely.
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So do i, and i disagree completely.
and i agree with you too.I hope to god the minority don't turn on Fortune.Works tirelessly
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Each to their own I guess but if you are happy with the way Fortune is playing then you are easily pleased, forget the fact he runs around a lot, that is the bare minimum I would expect from anyone but the things that make a striker ie goals, shots on targets, staying onside and staying on your feet he is bloody awful at and I for one would not be gutted if he was dropped, but I do not boo him as I have said many a time before, but when it comes to giving an opinion on a forum the way he is playing at the moment he should be dropped.
If you go to the games and Fortune is so good, why was he subbed after 45 mins against Blues? The fact is when he went off and PO came on the game changed and we won, not blaming MAF im just saying he is not good enough in any way shape or form!
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I'm pretty certain Fortune went off at half time with a slight injury against Blues.
He wouldn't be my first choice but I think he's done a decent enough job as of late, nothing spectacular but he has dragged defenders out of position regularly but the space is rarely exploited. Not enough of a goal threat sadly but then he's not really had a decent run of games.
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Fortune for me as other people have said he gets on with it, he work hard for the team as well.
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Each to their own I guess but if you are happy with the way Fortune is playing then you are easily pleased, forget the fact he runs around a lot, that is the bare minimum I would expect from anyone but the things that make a striker ie goals, shots on targets, staying onside and staying on your feet he is bloody awful at and I for one would not be gutted if he was dropped, but I do not boo him as I have said many a time before, but when it comes to giving an opinion on a forum the way he is playing at the moment he should be dropped.
If you go to the games and Fortune is so good, why was he subbed after 45 mins against Blues? The fact is when he went off and PO came on the game changed and we won, not blaming MAF im just saying he is not good enough in any way shape or form!
I think you should speak to Roy Hodgson, because he thinks Fortune is doing a great job for us softening up the opposition for the impact players like Vela and Odemwingie to take advantage. As it stands at the moment, he is doing the job the manager wants from him,and I trust the managers judgement.
If you go to games and were at the blues, you should have seen that the tactics of both halves were completely different. First half was all about containment, with the midfield rarely venturing forward. The second half was completely different, hence Morrison and Scharner getting on the scoresheet.
PS I also go to all the home and away games and have done so for many years.
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For me he could do a little more,he isnt quite working the defenders enough with mobility as he was first time around with us.Still our best option in that role though.
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How can you say Odemwingie is an impact player???? He is our top scorer and started all games except 2 when fit, tactics for the Blues game didnt change at all it was 4-5-1 both halves, just happened to create more 2nd half and take our chances, one of the reasons for this was PO is a lot more direct than MAF and he made a difference, I dont recall seeing anything about MAF being injured at HT?? To me it was tactical and worked!!
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How can you say Odemwingie is an impact player???? He is our top scorer and started all games except 2 when fit, tactics for the Blues game didnt change at all it was 4-5-1 both halves, just happened to create more 2nd half and take our chances, one of the reasons for this was PO is a lot more direct than MAF and he made a difference, I dont recall seeing anything about MAF being injured at HT?? To me it was tactical and worked!!
You seem to contradict yourself a little bit there, but still I will leave it to your better judgement.
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I was told by someone who has links to someone on the coaching staff at the club that Marco had a slight injury and he was taken off as a precaution, it is possible that it isn't true of course but Hodgson did say that he had a minor injury in the piece about Vela getting some game time in the internationals yesterday and the guy who told me is often spot on.
Odemwingie would always be first choice as the lone striker for me personally purely down to his pace and movement, unfortunately the guy has struggled with his fitness with different small injuries but considering the amount of football he has played in the last year it is to be expected.
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You seem to contradict yourself a little bit there, but still I will leave it to your better judgement.
Maybe the wrong choice of words then what I was trying to say was tactics FORMATION didnt change ie we stayed at 4-5-1 BOTH halves, and that the substitution was tactical (he didnt look injured) in the fact he replaced MAF with PO and that made the difference!!
Anyway back on to topic, I wouldnt have Bednar or MAF in the team!
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I think you should speak to Roy Hodgson, because he thinks Fortune is doing a great job for us softening up the opposition for the impact players like Vela and Odemwingie to take advantage. As it stands at the moment, he is doing the job the manager wants from him,and I trust the managers judgement.
If you go to games and were at the blues, you should have seen that the tactics of both halves were completely different. First half was all about containment, with the midfield rarely venturing forward. The second half was completely different, hence Morrison and Scharner getting on the scoresheet.
PS I also go to all the home and away games and have done so for many years.
spot on ar kid, spot on!!!!!
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I think you should speak to Roy Hodgson, because he thinks Fortune is doing a great job for us softening up the opposition for the impact players like Vela and Odemwingie to take advantage. As it stands at the moment, he is doing the job the manager wants from him,and I trust the managers judgement.
If you go to games and were at the blues, you should have seen that the tactics of both halves were completely different. First half was all about containment, with the midfield rarely venturing forward. The second half was completely different, hence Morrison and Scharner getting on the scoresheet.
PS I also go to all the home and away games and have done so for many years.
Fantastic post and summed up my feelings exactly!!
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i think for the first time in 30+ years we've got a manager who knows what he's doing tactical wise!
you dont spend 35 years in management if your pants
im just as excited as when megson said why cant Albion get in the prem and did it!!!
GWAN ROY, DO YA THING!!!!
Fortune or Bednar? i'll leave it for Roy to chose
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Fortune....
No moaning sulking or media blurting...
Just gets on with it and gives his best every match despite what some blinkered fans think they see...
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Fortune every day of the week.
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MAF all day...
Loved Bednar at one point but looking back he wasnt that good...
No pace, couldnt head, always offside..not very good habits to have if your a striker
championship at best
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MAF all day...
Loved Bednar at one point but looking back he wasnt that good...
No pace, couldnt head, always offside..not very good habits to have if your a striker
championship at best
You could be talking about both their my friend!! Or is it just me that thinks MAF is poor??
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Bednar was better than what we had at the time, Fortune is better than Bednar, just natural progression.
Cant see Bednar in an Albion shirt again TBH
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Bednar was better than what we had at the time, Fortune is better than Bednar, just natural progression.
Cant see Bednar in an Albion shirt again TBH
Correct. Shame it isn't always a continual cycle and every player that we bring in is better than the one before!
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MAF by a country mile.. He has pace and ability to move wide. Yes his finishing leaves a lot to be desired but as previous posts. He softens up the opposition.
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The simple fact is neither of them are good enough to play for a side struggling to stay in the premiership.
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Fortune - he gets on with his job without sulking, gobbing off or bringing shame on our good name.
Rowley...we all need to move on mate, Roman's paid the price and needs to be forgiven..this being said.
If pressed I'd have to choose MAF.
However asking this is like someone giving you the choice of which way they destroy your brand new Roll Royce ::)
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Fortune....
No moaning sulking or media blurting...
Just gets on with it and gives his best every match despite what some blinkered fans think they see...
couldnt agree more!
doesnt get goals but he holds up well brings players into the game!
if were trying to keep it tight marco all the way!
if we are at home though i would still be playing saint peter
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Fortune offers us a far better option than Bednar although not greatly better Fortune has more of a natural knack of playing the lone role as a battering ram type centre forward which in the last few games as allowed Odemwingie and Vela to exploit tired defenders later in the game.
Fortune is an 'horses for courses' forward where depending on who hes playing against will depend on how effective he is.
If we are to progress we need better than him in that role but we are where we are at the moment.
Bednar has shown is true colours and its been proven hes not a 'team' player when its not going his way
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Fortune easily, he gets so much unfair criticism i feel, the lad tries his hardest all game. Although he may lack quality in some aspects for me he puts in a good strong gritty shift on the pitch and gets on with his job which is what so many modern day footballers are lacking.
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I'm not sure.
It's perhaps a pity that Bednar was shipped out before Roy came in, leaving us with Fortune as the only option to do that job.
Roy could well have taken to Roman in a way RDM didn't, who knows, I mean Roy even dragged out Meite from Siberia.
As far as Fortune's finishing goes: it's embarrassing. There's never any conviction to it and it shows. It's almost like he's asking for people to say good effort, not great goal, before he even kicks the ball.
Still, Fortune is possibly going to be important to us for the few games left, he's the only option we have to play there right now and he's done OK at times this season (along with being awful on others).
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No brainer. Fortune all the way. They is a reason why Bednar was shipped out to a struggling Turkish club while Fortune is still in the Premiership.
Bristol city had an offer of 1.2 million accepted for Bednar, but he said he didn't want to go, that's why he's in Greece.
Also the fact that Bednar's contract runs out in the summer and we just paid 2m+ for Fortune might have something to do with Fortune still being here as well.
At the end of the day one might mock Bednar for being nothing but a Championship striker, but is Fortune really a Premiership level one?