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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: December 15, 2014, 10:31:07 PM »
Why not play both, leave brunt in the middle along side gardiner and Morrison and keep verela and sess out wide.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Brown Ideye Joins Olympiakos
« on: December 15, 2014, 10:22:17 PM »
I thought his movement off the ball was good, It will take some time for him to adapt and also for the others players to learn how he positions himself. It will be interesting to see how he develops and if AI gives him game time to develop.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:14:56 PM »
I'm fed up with the albion, and bored of it too. I cant get excited about going to watch them anymore, I'm dreading the thought of going up Saturday, but I cant blame Irvine in full for that.
Irvine is a great coach, to many professionals have the same opinion so I agree with that. The problem is that a great coach can coach the players but they don't necessarily have the experience/knowledge to setup a team to compete. This is the problem and has been the problem for some time. The only reason Hodgson was so successful was because he was a manager but without the title. The scouting team do a good job and even though we get a few duds we also get a few good players too. Saido has developed a lot this season and some of that has got to because of Irvine.
I'm now of the opinion that we do not necessarily have to get rid of Irvine but we need to bring someone in that understands the tactics side and someone to pick the side. I think that sort of person is a called a manger. The problem would be if Irvine wouldn't want to stand down.
There is only one thing I'm certain of, is that if the team fails to perform against the villa, he is finished, There will be no way back for him, even though I'm not sure there is a way back now.
Irvine is a great coach, to many professionals have the same opinion so I agree with that. The problem is that a great coach can coach the players but they don't necessarily have the experience/knowledge to setup a team to compete. This is the problem and has been the problem for some time. The only reason Hodgson was so successful was because he was a manager but without the title. The scouting team do a good job and even though we get a few duds we also get a few good players too. Saido has developed a lot this season and some of that has got to because of Irvine.
I'm now of the opinion that we do not necessarily have to get rid of Irvine but we need to bring someone in that understands the tactics side and someone to pick the side. I think that sort of person is a called a manger. The problem would be if Irvine wouldn't want to stand down.
There is only one thing I'm certain of, is that if the team fails to perform against the villa, he is finished, There will be no way back for him, even though I'm not sure there is a way back now.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 05, 2014, 10:09:31 AM »
I just don't understand why its so hard for him to pick a team to compete. And what winds me up the most is when its obvious to everyone that we need to make a change apart from him. FFS mulumbu and Yacob has been instrumental is keeping us in the premiership, thay can hold the middle of the park. Why the hell are we not starting these 2. defense doesn't look too bad so with them pair bossing the midfield we should be able to let the forward minded players loose.
Brunt & dorrans are squad players but shouldn't be first on the team sheet, varela has got to go on the left, id even be tempted to plat gamboa on the right. Sess and Vic the final two, simple team selection, plenty of pace, solid defense and midfield.
The sideways passing and back passing all the time reminds me of the greening days and that didn't work out well.
Brunt & dorrans are squad players but shouldn't be first on the team sheet, varela has got to go on the left, id even be tempted to plat gamboa on the right. Sess and Vic the final two, simple team selection, plenty of pace, solid defense and midfield.
The sideways passing and back passing all the time reminds me of the greening days and that didn't work out well.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 02, 2014, 12:31:57 PM »
Firstly im going to give the benefit of the doubt at AI regarding the team selection, maybe the players are just not good enough, perhaps we bough junk.
The reason I want AI out is the tactics he use, forget the negative stuff etc, I agree with him that sess should have come off and maybe samaras was the right choice. Where he went wrong was sticking samaras out wide, if you bring a lump like him on you have to stick him up top, you have sacrificed a creative midfielder so your tactics are simple get width and get the balls into him. Sticking him out wide was a joke. For that reason alone he doesn't know what hes doing and should go.
I don't get excited anymore about going up the albion, the style is pooh, I would rather get relegated trying to play football with some excitement, if I wanted to be bored for 90 minutes id stop home with the wife..
The reason I want AI out is the tactics he use, forget the negative stuff etc, I agree with him that sess should have come off and maybe samaras was the right choice. Where he went wrong was sticking samaras out wide, if you bring a lump like him on you have to stick him up top, you have sacrificed a creative midfielder so your tactics are simple get width and get the balls into him. Sticking him out wide was a joke. For that reason alone he doesn't know what hes doing and should go.
I don't get excited anymore about going up the albion, the style is pooh, I would rather get relegated trying to play football with some excitement, if I wanted to be bored for 90 minutes id stop home with the wife..
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Are we better than what people think
« on: October 06, 2014, 12:35:53 PM »
For me this is the strongest squad we have had in years (I thought that last year though 
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I'm still not convinced with AI but the last 4 games we are playing well and on another day could have walked out of Anfield with a point.
I no longer watch motd has its always negative towards us, It would be nice to know where this comes from.
)I'm still not convinced with AI but the last 4 games we are playing well and on another day could have walked out of Anfield with a point.
I no longer watch motd has its always negative towards us, It would be nice to know where this comes from.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Are we better than what people think
« on: October 06, 2014, 12:09:28 PM »
Not going to rant but listening to talk sport this morning they where talking to the bookies about odds and the relegation bit came up. They see QPR and Burnley being favorites with us third. Newcastle are at 130 - 1 as they have a stronger squad.
Im not to bothered what they think but at this moment in time I think we have a stronger squad than Newcastle and the last 4 games (including Liverpool) we have shown good strength and don't look weak at all.
Am I missing something, why do the bookies rate our survival odds so low?
Im not to bothered what they think but at this moment in time I think we have a stronger squad than Newcastle and the last 4 games (including Liverpool) we have shown good strength and don't look weak at all.
Am I missing something, why do the bookies rate our survival odds so low?
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 23, 2014, 12:24:28 PM »
The worst part about the Everton game was not that we lost, it was how we lost. The fact we didn't create anything, the subs needed to be made sooner, that's were AI got the most criticism from.
The spurs result was a good result but spurs were having an off day, He needs to get the team to be consistent, the work rate of the team on sunday was much better than against Everton, but it should be like that all the time.
Im pleased Lescott and Dawson appear to have struck a partnership in defence, hopefully Dawson can push on now.
I though Morrisions distribution through the game was good but feel we need either yacob or mulumbu to give us the physical edge. If were playing sess its got to be mulumbu as he is a threat going forward too. If we need to see a game out I would expect yacob to come on for sess to firm up the midfield.
Lets see how we get on with burnley and lets the team sheet, and if hes willing to make subs. Even though we won against spurs after we went a goal up we maybe should have sacrificed sess have used yacob or mulumbu to see the game out.
The spurs result was a good result but spurs were having an off day, He needs to get the team to be consistent, the work rate of the team on sunday was much better than against Everton, but it should be like that all the time.
Im pleased Lescott and Dawson appear to have struck a partnership in defence, hopefully Dawson can push on now.
I though Morrisions distribution through the game was good but feel we need either yacob or mulumbu to give us the physical edge. If were playing sess its got to be mulumbu as he is a threat going forward too. If we need to see a game out I would expect yacob to come on for sess to firm up the midfield.
Lets see how we get on with burnley and lets the team sheet, and if hes willing to make subs. Even though we won against spurs after we went a goal up we maybe should have sacrificed sess have used yacob or mulumbu to see the game out.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 16, 2014, 12:23:45 PM »
I think after my initial get Irvine feeling after the performance the weekend I may have calmed by thoughts a little.
I'm not convinced by his team selection on Saturday but was that the best available? If it is then my only concern over his selection is why are we not playing Yacob.
Brown I fear is to lightweight at present and could take the best part of the season becoming used to playing in the prem like Valero did.
Its obvious Irvine wants to play 3-5-2 which should provide us with attacking football but the players are just not ready.
I'm not a brunt fan and hope that when the new players are ready he will become a squad player, if he still starts every game then Irvine is a fool.
Until the squad is fit and we know where we are player wise I think we need to back the team as we will only make things harder by booing etc.
If when the squad is fit and available we are still playing like we did on Saturday then ill be the first there with an Irvine out banner!!!!
I'm not convinced by his team selection on Saturday but was that the best available? If it is then my only concern over his selection is why are we not playing Yacob.
Brown I fear is to lightweight at present and could take the best part of the season becoming used to playing in the prem like Valero did.
Its obvious Irvine wants to play 3-5-2 which should provide us with attacking football but the players are just not ready.
I'm not a brunt fan and hope that when the new players are ready he will become a squad player, if he still starts every game then Irvine is a fool.
Until the squad is fit and we know where we are player wise I think we need to back the team as we will only make things harder by booing etc.
If when the squad is fit and available we are still playing like we did on Saturday then ill be the first there with an Irvine out banner!!!!
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Be Realistic
« on: September 14, 2014, 12:31:56 PM »
After the performances so far we have to face facts that were doomed as it stands at present.
What can we do? Feck all.
The options we have are to start an Irvine out campaign. These don't work as the owners of football clubs don't listen, look at Newcastle and Mike Ashley.
we can boo the players, what's the point, it isn't there fault, there only playing the way they are told and are probably as inebriated off with it as we are.
We could boycott games, well I for one wont do that because I support the club and I've already paid for my season ticket so he isn't bothered if I go, he's got my money.
Yesterday the atmosphere was awful, the away supporters were louder than us, I cant believe JP would have been happy with it and must have left inebriated off too. We have to let this Irvine thing run its course unless we can get some of the local journalists to run stories about how inebriated off we are with Irvine and the structure, bad PR will make him listen the most.
One other thing I would to see happen is for the liquidator to come back permanently, the start of games is so fecking quiet.
What can we do? Feck all.
The options we have are to start an Irvine out campaign. These don't work as the owners of football clubs don't listen, look at Newcastle and Mike Ashley.
we can boo the players, what's the point, it isn't there fault, there only playing the way they are told and are probably as inebriated off with it as we are.
We could boycott games, well I for one wont do that because I support the club and I've already paid for my season ticket so he isn't bothered if I go, he's got my money.
Yesterday the atmosphere was awful, the away supporters were louder than us, I cant believe JP would have been happy with it and must have left inebriated off too. We have to let this Irvine thing run its course unless we can get some of the local journalists to run stories about how inebriated off we are with Irvine and the structure, bad PR will make him listen the most.
One other thing I would to see happen is for the liquidator to come back permanently, the start of games is so fecking quiet.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jeremy Peace
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:28:55 PM »Agree, but isn't what you said the problem?
Partially yes, we can work with the current head coach role if the coach has more manager qualities than coach qualities. Steve Clarke and Alan Irvine are coaches. Pepe Mel wasn't, that's why he needed his own coaching team for his ideas to work, he was always going to fail has he was forced to use the existing coaching staff. If we are to use the existing staff with the next head coach, he needs to be someone who will tell downing to keep his opinions to himself and do what he is told. If not then the existing staff needs to be replaced to.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jeremy Peace
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:11:22 PM »I agree for the most part.
A little bit revolutionary, but, maybe a chairman that gives a good coach, the opportunity to coach a team of individuals into a functioning unit may be a starting point.
instead, he insists on his tried and trusted generals, that never deliver, and good coaches will take the hit and just disappear, until the next one.
You have to remember who is ultimately accountable in this debarcle, no matter how you sugar coat it, fluff it up with a £10mill signing (off a video ffs!) facts are facts.
A good coach may not be a good tactically. How many generals in the forces are good soldiers?
Hodgson was both a manager and a coach but primarily he was a manager regardless of his title. The drilling of the players would be down to the coaching team. Irvine hasn't got it its a simple as that.
I'm not the greatest JP fan but at least he has spent some money. I fear his vision isn't the same as the fans, im not keen on the head coach role as they don't have full control of transfers etc. Brown would have been watched and scouted before Irvine so the video comment by Irvine just goes to show that under our current structure the head coach doesn't have to have a say.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jeremy Peace
« on: September 13, 2014, 09:26:01 PM »
There will be no meeting tonight, its not the best way to do things, sacking him in the heat of the moment is never a good idea.
I think Irvine is a good coach, players like him so he must do things right, but the fact he is a coach is the problem, We need a manager who has a clue on the best style of football we can play with the players we have at the club, this vision is passed to the coaches who improve the players and train them to play the style the manager wants. Downing and Deano are I suspect good coaches but if the vision from the man in charge is pooh then what hope have we got.
I think Irvine will go sooner than later but if JP replaces him with another guy who is a good coach we will back to where we are now.
I think Irvine is a good coach, players like him so he must do things right, but the fact he is a coach is the problem, We need a manager who has a clue on the best style of football we can play with the players we have at the club, this vision is passed to the coaches who improve the players and train them to play the style the manager wants. Downing and Deano are I suspect good coaches but if the vision from the man in charge is pooh then what hope have we got.
I think Irvine will go sooner than later but if JP replaces him with another guy who is a good coach we will back to where we are now.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:32:01 PM »
The atmosphere was flat today, and with the style we played you can understand why. The players we have got are getting worse and that's down to Irvine. He works with them day in day out so he knows what they can do. I don't believe the squad is weak and has got to be the strongest we have had in a while. How players like brunt, dorrans, Morrison can be in a starting line up is beyond me. When your leaking goals like we are you have to protect the back 4 so why isn't yacob playing and where is mulumbu. Where is sess he is our most creative player. I'm worried that Irvine is alienating some of our better players because they don't fit into his style of play what ever that may be.
Unless something changes quickly it may be too late to catch up..
Unless something changes quickly it may be too late to catch up..
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Press conference / Local Papers
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:02:30 PM »
I think a song is good idea as well as are the banners, but they will get removed.
Listening to liquidator last season reminded me of what we have been robbed of, now peace is taking more or so it seems. A good leader of the ship would have released a statement today and attempt to defuse the situation.
Listening to liquidator last season reminded me of what we have been robbed of, now peace is taking more or so it seems. A good leader of the ship would have released a statement today and attempt to defuse the situation.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Press conference / Local Papers
« on: June 16, 2014, 04:28:52 PM »
It may be true that some sponsors may pull out if there albion fans but the main sponsors couldn't care less about the manager, the club to them is just an advertising banner.
The only people that will be annoyed with this are the supporters and even though im hacked off with the appointment Ill no doubt still be there next season because the albion are my club. Peace can feck off and im behind anything that will help that after what he has done and we need to vent our anger to them. Remember the Ashley out protests at Newcastle, didn't work did they, so these owners don't give a toss about us, the club is a money making machine nowt else.
What need is a new song that the bald git will hear every game.... We know what we are, we are the albion and this is our club,club,club...Get the bald twonk out, get the bald twonk out, out of our club we are the albion and this is our club.
hahaha making me chuckle now
The only people that will be annoyed with this are the supporters and even though im hacked off with the appointment Ill no doubt still be there next season because the albion are my club. Peace can feck off and im behind anything that will help that after what he has done and we need to vent our anger to them. Remember the Ashley out protests at Newcastle, didn't work did they, so these owners don't give a toss about us, the club is a money making machine nowt else.
What need is a new song that the bald git will hear every game.... We know what we are, we are the albion and this is our club,club,club...Get the bald twonk out, get the bald twonk out, out of our club we are the albion and this is our club.
hahaha making me chuckle now
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 11:36:07 AM »We should be more anoyed about missing out on one of Sherwoods coaching staff - Ramsey.I dont want irvine to fail I dont want you watch a relegation fight again this comming season but by appointing Irvine we have achieved nothing. The downing and deano needed to go as there partlh whats wrong. Pepe wanted to change the style but be needed is own men and was denied. Sherwood wanted his own men and that was also a sticking point. Ime guessing the 2 lot interviews revolved around 1 question. " Will you work with whats already there" and irvine obviously said yes.
I work with an ex - professional who mixes a lot with British coaches and says that Ramsey is an 'Unbelievable' coach. He was genuinely excited for us when he though Ramsey was going to be working with some of our players.
One thing is clear and that Irvine wont be sacked before christmas and JP wont leave. We need to protest so our voices are heard but we also need to support the players as at the end of the day the albion is our club and we want it to succeed.
I bet we will only ring in 4-5 players and irvne will try and bring the youth through its either going to bad very quickly or we will be suprised im betting on the first.
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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 15, 2014, 09:18:37 PM »
Ive had to join the forum to vent my anger, Irvine is a poor choice like we all know.
About 20% of the fans will think its an ok appointment, id rather have had mad mick mcarthy has at least you could argue he has experience. Irvine has never been successful as a manger thats why he went back to the youth, you cant argue facts. Hes been appointed because he wont have his own views and will happy coach what he his given, and when he fails he will go back to youth management.
I wish him all the best but the hawthorns will be a hostile place next season towards peace and when the results go against us irvine will feel it too.
About 20% of the fans will think its an ok appointment, id rather have had mad mick mcarthy has at least you could argue he has experience. Irvine has never been successful as a manger thats why he went back to the youth, you cant argue facts. Hes been appointed because he wont have his own views and will happy coach what he his given, and when he fails he will go back to youth management.
I wish him all the best but the hawthorns will be a hostile place next season towards peace and when the results go against us irvine will feel it too.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Press conference / Local Papers
« on: June 15, 2014, 09:11:10 PM »
Ive tweeted chris L and asked him to ask peace one question, What were these mistakes he wanted to learn from as I thought it was appointing inexperience. Maybe he sees a different problem, or maybe he just a tw*t.
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