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Title: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 07:58:58 PM
Personally I think this has Big Sam written all over it.

Someone needs to come in who demands respect, and a huge promotion bonus on offer.

Just been told that Big Dave had lost the faith of some of the players in the squad. Was told her had to win today’s game to save his job. Maybe that explains the performance.
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Post by: ashdoy on March 09, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.

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Post by: Aztech on March 09, 2019, 08:06:37 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.

I’d suggest very few people if any hated Darren Moore, however the majority were probably well aware he had many limitations.
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.


No-one hated Darren Moore, far from it.
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 09, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
I hope its moyes or big Sam. Can you imagine them with this set of players. It'll be worst than pulis and Pardew

Oooo talking about Alan, he's stil clubless.


They're my top 3.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 08:08:33 PM
Needs to be someone who has the potential to lift the squad to promotion, but will also stay to build toward promotion next season. Someone who has potential to build a squad from scratch. Someone who plays half decent football please.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
I think it will be one of:

Big sam
Moyes
Jokanovic.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 08:09:38 PM
No to Allardyce. Please no.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 09, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
Back room staff gone already. If there is not someone lined up to start Monday morning this is even more of a terrible decision then it looks.

My money is on Big Sam.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
I just think it has Allardyce written all over it.

Massive bonus if he gets promoted. Probably on a short term contract till end of season.

Will come and demand respect straight away.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 09, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Does anyone think we need a new manager willing to take chances on some of our promising young academy players?
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 09, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Claude Puel, club will be aware of him already with the Barns loan.
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Post by: royhan on March 09, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Carlos Carvalhal did well to a degree at Sheffield Wednesday and Swansea. He is out of work and could be a useful stopgap until the end of the season.
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Post by: fatboy_coach on March 09, 2019, 08:17:06 PM
Hate to say it but Nigel Pearson is available!
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Post by: WBArgo on March 09, 2019, 08:17:19 PM
Allardyce is unfairly put into the same bracket as Pardew/Pulis when in reality he is a far superior manager who is much more diverse with his tactics.

I remember seeing him on an old football show and beneath the 'Big Sam' façade he is actually a very intelligent tactician when it comes to football; I think his northern reputation away from the pitch doesn't do him any favours though.

Anyway, I thought he hated us after we let him go many moons ago - so I doubt it will be him.
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Post by: 17GD on March 09, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
I'd be happy with Puel or Jokanavic.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Slavisa Jokanovic, in a heart beat
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Post by: Dexy on March 09, 2019, 08:21:50 PM
Karanka will be in the frame , interviewed last time.
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Post by: Topman on March 09, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
Nigel Pearson on Talksport said he expects it will probably be Karanka
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
I want Jokanovic, give him a shot at the play offs and let him rebuild in the summer regardless of what league we're in. We desperately need to go back to scouting from abroad.

I don't want Allardyce and don't think he'd even want the job, but this group of players would suit him and I reckon he'd win the play offs. Not someone I'd want beyond 6 months though so it's a no from me.
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Post by: Dan on March 09, 2019, 08:30:48 PM
Karanka would just be a Spanish Tony Pulis, the football under him is horrifically boring

Allardyce would be the best option, he knows what he's doing. 6 month contract with a big bonus at the end and I expect we'd win the play offs.
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on March 09, 2019, 08:31:55 PM
Shakespeare.....?
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Post by: Albion79 on March 09, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Out the names on here there is only Jokanovic who plays entertaining football.

The rest are cautious coaches, i look forward to our fans reaction to the football they play.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Nigel Pearson on Talksport said he expects it will probably be Karanka
Don't think this chaps cut out for English football ,had rows with everyone at Boro and asked to be released when at Forest. seems an unstable bloke.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
Here are the odds for who will be in charge of Albion’s first league match next season, via SkyBet.
Lee Johnson 3/1
Slavisa Jokanovic 4/1
David Wagner 5/1
David Moyes 7/1
Steve Clarke 9/1
Sam Allardyce 12/1
Alan Pardew 16/1
Carlos Carvalhal 18/1
Nigel Pearson 18/1
Mark Hughes 20/1
Aitor Karanka 22/1
Craig Shakespeare 22/1
Claude Puel 25/1
Harry Redknapp 25/1
Paul Clement 25/1
Gary Rowett 28/1
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Post by: Trigger on March 09, 2019, 08:36:15 PM
Garry Monk
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:36:59 PM
I’d put my house on these two options.

Allardyce short term deal with big promotion bonus.

Jokanovic as long term plan, shot st plays offs and rebuild in summer.
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Post by: suffolk baggieboy on March 09, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
What about Michael Appleton??
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2019, 08:39:51 PM
I would go for Wagner done it through play offs with Huddersfield.
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
If it is Allardyce I am through I hate the fat barstool I will not set foot back into the Hawthorns while he was here. If the club was going to do this I am glad they have before I have committed to next year's season ticket.

Express & Star currently reporting that Slavisa Jokanovic  is on the short list. Yes whatever don't care seriously inebriated off tonight.

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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 09, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Garry Monk
Yes that's the one for me, but I think at the end of the season.
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Post by: wbawill on March 09, 2019, 08:46:02 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that rubbish. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.
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Post by: darbolina on March 09, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Jokanovic - two promotions playing decent football at Watford and Fulham - clubs with similar resources to us


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Post by: Blowee on March 09, 2019, 08:49:19 PM
What about an ex-player (captain even) with the initials DM?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
Jokanovic - two promotions playing decent football at Watford and Fulham - clubs with similar resources to us

I wanted Jokanaovic before Moore got the job last season but he was never going to leave Fulham in their position at the time. If we gave him the job it could work as we won't give him £100m to spend if we go up.
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that rubbish. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.


To be fair I'd argue it wasn't really his fault. Fulham gambled in trying to buy almost an entire team. Too many changes at once.
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 08:52:49 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that rubbish. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.
owner's do parachute money
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

Background on West Brom's bonkers/surprise/correct decision to sack Darren Moore. In short, there have been concerns since Nov & the board feel squad should be top 2. Slavisa Jokanovic a leading contender

Percy is not very often short of the mark.
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
What about an ex-player (captain even) with the initials DM?
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff
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Post by: Blowee on March 09, 2019, 08:58:05 PM
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:59:40 PM
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀


You're kidding. There's about a foot and six stone difference between the two.  ;)
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀
just need to take it up a few feet  ;)
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Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 09, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
just need to take it up a few feet  ;)
Never happen WunderWeb is expensive.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff

Do your homework ffs. No they don’t.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
Lee johnson of Bristol city has been linked a few times in the past, he was third fav before Moore got the job. can't see Monk leaving Brum.
Wouldn't want fat Sam.
or Mark Hughes.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 09:08:36 PM
Wondered how long it would take for the McInness brigade to come out, they want him for the exact reason that got Moore the job. He's nowhere near good enough, and plays dross football.

If you wanted Moore out but also want McInness appointed then you're a lost cause.
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Post by: Baggies on March 09, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:12:21 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.

Failed with Fulham in the Prem due to the amount of players they signed and tried to get in the team, he wouldn't have that money to spend here. Didn't fail at Watford though as he left before the season started due to not agreeing a new deal
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.
Daniel Stendel
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Hate to say it but Nigel Pearson is available!

He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium
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Post by: Albion79 on March 09, 2019, 09:23:01 PM
Jokanovic seems the standout one, think its widely reported that in the summer the Fulham owners son got involved and signed players who he wanted not jokanovic.

whoever it is has their work cut out, if we go up these players have contracts and will probably end up staying and the new bloke has to buck the trend of three previous managers and two years of decline and get them to be good enough for the premier league.

if we stay down the club will probably look to cash in on a lot of the players due to less parachute money meaning the new manager can build their own squad, however as this season has shown neither the owners or a section of our fans have patience so the rebuilt squad will need to be top 2 and playing good football from day one or they will be under big pressure.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 09, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
Reckon it will be somebody like Moyes til end of season if he gets us up the jobs his if not its all up in the air again and the decision will be his

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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:23:36 PM
Lee johnson of Bristol city has been linked a few times in the past, he was third fav before Moore got the job. can't see Monk leaving Brum.
Wouldn't want fat Sam.
or Mark Hughes.

Christ I’d forgotten about Mark Hughes.  Please no...

Moyes wouldn’t be the worst option. Apart from failing at United (was he worse than LVG or Mourinho at the end) his record isn’t as bad as most people think
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:24:54 PM
He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium

Got sacked last month
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 09, 2019, 09:29:29 PM
Steve Clarke anyone?
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:31:01 PM
Got sacked last month

Ok thanks - I’d missed that
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:34:11 PM
Steve Clarke anyone?

Could do a lot worse.  Is doing a fine job with limited upside at Killie, and is clearly angling for a move back to England by his recent comments re bigotry in Scotland.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Moyes. He was willing to take a short contract at West Ham, kept them up and they finished 13th but he still left.
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Post by: victor mature on March 09, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Steve Clarke's name popped into my head when I was making the tea. I think he feels he was sacked prematurely and wouldn't say no. Don't have any strong opinions other than none of the dinosaurs please
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 09:38:56 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.
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Post by: baggie82 on March 09, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
Jokanovic has twice won promotion including the play offs last season so he seem's the obvious pick. I'd be surprised if it wasn't him and official website states hope to announce new manager soon so it's probably going to be someone out of work.
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
 Jokanovic for me. Make the decision based on us having to rebuild in the Champ next season, and if he does manage to get us up through the playoffs from this position then consider it a bonus.

Sadly as others have said I have very little confidence in the board to make the right appointment these days. The last 3 or 4 now have been very poor.
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Post by: Aztech on March 09, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

On that basis I’m sure he’ll secure another high profile appointment some time soon.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
hate short term appointments because it's the usual names that crop up.
it's obvious the club won't go down the route of long term else Moore would've been given more time.
ideally I'd like someone who can build a young team and utilises the academy.
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Post by: richjonawba on March 09, 2019, 09:51:37 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 09:53:41 PM
How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?


Exactly. None of them give a stuff about us.
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Post by: Baggies on March 09, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
Failed with Fulham in the Prem due to the amount of players they signed and tried to get in the team, he wouldn't have that money to spend here. Didn't fail at Watford though as he left before the season started due to not agreeing a new deal

Hadn’t realised he had got Watford promotion before leaving, my bad. His record is better than i’ve Given it credit for when considering that.

I’d still like a left field appointment, but i’d Prefer Jokanovic to Wagner, Karanka, Moyes, Hughes etc.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 09:57:10 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

If those 30000 people have watched every Albion match this season, can name our full 23+ man squad and give their opinion on our best XI and their favourite aspects of Darren Moore's tactical set-up then I'll be concerned. If not, then their opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and pointless.

If Jokanovic is the leading target, as reported, then I'll trust in the board over some armchair Man United fan that votes on a sky sports poll.
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Post by: NathWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
I’d be happy with Wagner or Jokanovic, I’d still consider Rowett, his spells at blues and derby were good, stoke was a disaster but they’ve hardly improved since he’s left so I’d think the issues went way beyond him.
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Post by: Barrington on March 09, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
He wouldn't be my absolute first choice (and I don't think he will be in the running), but I wouldn't at all be against a return for Tony Mowbray.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
I’d be happy with Wagner or Jokanovic, I’d still consider Rowett, his spells at blues and derby were good, stoke was a disaster but they’ve hardly improved since he’s left so I’d think the issues went way beyond him.
Don't get the fondness for Rowett, yet to see any of his team's play exciting football, it was a notch above Pulisball from what I've see.
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Post by: bry on March 09, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
Out of the list of contenders it would be Wagner for me. I'd love Gary Monk but that's not realistic.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
If those 30000 people have watched every Albion match this season, can name our full 23+ man squad and give their opinion on our best XI and their favourite aspects of Darren Moore's tactical set-up then I'll be concerned. If not, then their opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and pointless.

If Jokanovic is the leading target, as reported, then I'll trust in the board over some armchair Man United fan that votes on a sky sports poll.
Do we know that about our rivals? Never stopped us using it as a stick to best Darren with.
Nevermind, let's just trust the same bunch who employed this "clueless" novice.
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 10:13:36 PM
He wouldn't be my absolute first choice (and I don't think he will be in the running), but I wouldn't at all be against a return for Tony Mowbray.

I did think about Mowbray earlier but glad you're the one who brought him up! I agree that he won't be on the shortlist but given how Blackburn have fallen away he may well be interested were we to consider him.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 10:17:33 PM
I did think about Mowbray earlier but glad you're the one who brought him up! I agree that he won't be on the shortlist but given how Blackburn have fallen away he may well be interested were we to consider him.
Let's sack a manager who's 4th and employ one who's mid table and on a worse run than us.
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Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
Slavan Bilic if we can get him !
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 09, 2019, 10:22:40 PM
Has to one of either Jokanovic or Wagner - the short term options are uninspiring to say the least
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Post by: addy on March 09, 2019, 10:24:50 PM
Feel it's already done with Jokanovic, didn't Luke Dowling work with him at Watford? He might have even had a say in his recruitment.
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Post by: Dan87uk on March 09, 2019, 10:29:57 PM
Current Bookies List (SkyBet)

Slavisa Jokanovic
5/2
Lee Johnson
3/1
Michael Appleton
5/1
David Wagner
7/1
Harry Redknapp
8/1
David Moyes
12/1
Derek McInnes
12/1
Nigel Pearson
12/1
Tony Mowbray
12/1
Sam Allardyce
14/1
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Most of the names being trotted out are just plain depressing.

Provided it isn't one of the true dinosaurs or one of their clones like Rowett I probably don't care all that much. 
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 10:37:16 PM
Past managers and on the righ hand side, what they achieved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._managers
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Let's sack a manager who's 4th and employ one who's mid table and on a worse run than us.

No you're right, because all managers are working with the exact same financial resource and quality of player. Silly me for considering each job on its own merits, as well as broader factors such as playing style.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 09, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Not sure Allardyce, Hughes or Moyes would consider a Championship position even though they are going to struggle to get anything better. We have not seemed interested in the likes of Appleton and McInnes in the past so Jokanovic and Wagner seem the most likely to me.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 10:58:57 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 09, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
if they don't they are more incompetent than those they sacked
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
I'd expect appointment on Monday, if not then Jenkins needs to be shown the door.
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Post by: barnestormer on March 09, 2019, 11:18:01 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
I reckon they do and an imminent appointment before the Swansea match
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Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on March 09, 2019, 11:21:15 PM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.
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Post by: Cardiaccarol on March 09, 2019, 11:29:22 PM
I would hope that we will announce the next appointment on Monday. Anything else is appalling management by the board.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 11:31:04 PM
I would hope that we will announce the next appointment on Monday. Anything else is appalling management by the board.
Sunday would be better
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Post by: KN22 on March 09, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
I hope and pray that it’s not Allardyce. This would be an absolute disaster in my view and would make a mockery of any ambition to rebuild the club in readiness for the long term future. Get the ex Fulham guy in.
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 11:52:39 PM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.

Not prayer that this is a long term project we will make the same short term appointments based on the latest whim or perceived crisis. We will either get lucky or more likely slowly sink into deserved obscurity.
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Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2019, 11:55:59 PM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !
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Post by: Dan87uk on March 10, 2019, 12:04:51 AM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !

Why on earth would he leave Roma; who he's just signed up with; to come to us?

If our ownership genuinely tried that i'd suggest they check in to the nearest asylum
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Post by: paulosull on March 10, 2019, 12:15:09 AM
Probably be a coach who is out of work and has managed in Championship that's septic peg for you :-*
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Post by: alex1 on March 10, 2019, 12:24:18 AM
Its vital the new manager;
a) plays attacking entertaining football, but also knows the strenghts/weaknesses of the  various players.

b) the players can relate to him and prepared to play for him.

I think alot of the better managers will be wary about our sacking record. i.e. we seem to have a fairly short term vision.
At this stage I'm more thinking about who i do NOT want. Top of that list Hughes, Moyes, Allerdyce. Too old school. We need somone with a more modern progressive vision.

Listening to some Everton supporters, Marco Silva may be looking for a job soon, but that would probably mean waiting for him.   
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 12:37:58 AM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !

I’m assuming your not aware he became the Roma manager in the week?
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Post by: geoff on March 10, 2019, 12:43:50 AM
Ralf Rangnick is worth a looking at again he is doing a good job at RB Leipzig.
If not him then a young manager with a bit more experience. 
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Post by: alex1 on March 10, 2019, 01:04:42 AM
Ralf Rangnick is worth a looking at again he is doing a good job at RB Leipzig.
If not him then a young manager with a bit more experience.

I'd bite your arm off to get Rangnick, but somehow I doubt he'd swap challenging for a place in the Champions League with trying to make the Championship Play Offs.

Interesting though that his last team trainer at Leipzig is now manager at Southampton.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 10, 2019, 02:59:38 AM
Not prayer that this is a long term project we will make the same short term appointments based on the latest whim or perceived crisis. We will either get lucky or more likely slowly sink into deserved obscurity.
I always look forward to your posts. They’re thought through, rarely knee-jerked based, and interesting to read. I’m hoping you’re a tad emotional now, and will have clearer thoughts come breakfast time. Hopefully obscurity isn’t still on the menu. Chin up! Interesting times ahead.  :D
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Post by: deejay on March 10, 2019, 05:32:28 AM
Derek McInnes for Me
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Post by: colinmax on March 10, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
I have no more definite knowledge than anyone else on this subject but Graham Potter might be worth considering.
He was suggested by some in the summer because of his record in Sweden?and he is an ex Albion player.
He made a slow start at Swansea but to be fair a lot of players were sold or went on loan but they have shown a noticeable improvement lately perhaps because his ideas have now been implanted.
On Friday they were unfortunate to lose at Norwich and could have won playing good football.
If I am right we should see evidence in Wednesday's match.Lets wait and see.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
If we want someone in by Wednesday which is what the express and star are saying then I really doubt it’s going to be anyone already in a job .

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Post by: tuamigos on March 10, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
Derek McInnes for Me

No.
Please no more sentimental appointments
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 07:17:00 AM
Jokanovic is the best roll of the dice for me right now. If not Jokanovic then Allardyce.
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Post by: kie the baggie on March 10, 2019, 07:54:55 AM
Jankanovic or Lee Jonhson for me, been very impressed with bristol this season, play good football, and has built a good solid exciting young team
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 10, 2019, 07:59:13 AM
I don't see Bristol City releasing Johnson while they are still on for the playoffs.
As others have said I would expect an out of work manager to be named.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 08:18:28 AM
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 08:22:04 AM
I reckon they do and an imminent appointment before the Swansea match

Preferring is one thing.  Landing them is another
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 08:25:02 AM
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?

Celtic  ;D
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 08:26:49 AM
It’s not the Albion way to pay compensation for a manager. So, imo, rule out anyone already in a job.

I also believe Jenkins trip to China last week was to discuss parting company with Darren and putting his replacement name forward, who I think is just waiting in the wings to be presented on Monday as the new head coach, I just hope it’s Jokanovic
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 08:29:10 AM
Mark Hughes 22/1 and Aitor Karanka 20/1 are both worth a flutter IMO.
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Post by: Pie on March 10, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
Karanka would be a horrible appointment, back to Pulis football.

Only available option that makes sense is Jokanovic.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 10, 2019, 08:38:29 AM
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 08:41:15 AM
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X

So are Dec and Holly, and I know who I would sooner have out of that trio  :D
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
Wagner ruled himself out on sky sports news this morning , said he wants to wait till the summer to find a job
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 08:56:47 AM
Actions speak louder than words so anybody expecting an appointment with a view to building and developing a style, promoting youngsters, introducing more attractive football is going to be disappointed.

We have shown that isnt going to happen, its all about now, the premier league gravy train is the only place our owners want to be so all the above stuff goes out the window.

At the first sign of trouble we have acted and sacked a manager, from April 18 to March 19, Moore has been in charge for 10 months (not including preseason period) we have had one real bad period in that time and that was the last six weeks, until then despite how terrible we supposedly were we have been top 3 with a chance to go top as of two weeks ago.

Bristol City stuck with Johnson, Norwich stuck with Farke, they showed patience and Norwich certainly are reaping the benefits, we have shown that we are going for a different approach and will not be running our club that way so any manager coming in will have to know its hit the ground running and be aware they are under pressure and any bad period leads to the sack right away, that will put off a lot of decent managers, it will appeal to others because we are a nice cashpoint the way we get through managers nowadays.

We may as well say to a Mick McCarthy or Big Sam, get us up and there is a massive bonus for you at the end of the season, no point looking much longer term than that.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
I always look forward to your posts. They’re thought through, rarely knee-jerked based, and interesting to read. I’m hoping you’re a tad emotional now, and will have clearer thoughts come breakfast time. Hopefully obscurity isn’t still on the menu. Chin up! Interesting times ahead.  :D

Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 10, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
Knowing The Albion, Shand will win on Wedneasday and land the job until the end of the season so that we can save 50p
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:22:58 AM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

I agree with all of that except don’t discard Moyes - the best of the “experienced” bunch, with only a failure at Sunderland (a true basket case) on his CV.  Better managers than him have failed at United, and he did a good job at West Ham on a 6-month contract.   

Jokanovic may well be the number one choice, but are we sure that this squad can play his style of football?  I’m not sure that he’d get us up this season, and I’m not sure that he would get the required summer backing to oversee a rebuild.

There’s a lot to be said for appointing the right man to try to get us up this season from this position, give them a big bonus if they succeed, but with no
promise of a new contract even if they succeed. Then sit down in May and decide who is the best person to do the job that is then required.  If that means Moyse or Allardyce or McCarthy until May, then that may well be the most sensible appointment right now.


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Post by: hardtobeat on March 10, 2019, 09:35:18 AM
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !
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Post by: don1thedon on March 10, 2019, 09:43:12 AM
...
There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.
...
This is what it is all about for me!
There has been growing discontent with supporters & probably the board (& quite likely the players as well). The board are gambling on regaining some momentum to continue through to the play offs and a chance of promotion. They've rolled the dice.
I am gutted that Darren and his vision for the club has now gone - sincere thanks Big Fella!
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Post by: paulosull on March 10, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
Think it will be Moyes or Big Sam on short term deal, looks like owners are in panic mode which suggests they over stretched their finances. Big banks in China want their money back.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 09:45:45 AM
Just have to say, with our owners seemingly reluctant to want to spend big money, why on earth would Allardyce or Moyes come to us?

I think Allardyce got promoted once about four years ago with West Ham and before that was about fifteen years ago with Bolton and i am not sure Moyes has ever got promotion from the championship? So neither are specialists in this league which seems to be criteria.

And why on earth would they stake their national reputations on a basket case club who are being portrayed in the media as a joke? They can both get far better jobs than West Brom.

They will only get a big pay day if they get promoted and as their experience suggests, the championship isnt their forte.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !

The compo issue is an odd one.  The club will happily spunk £1m on wages for half a season for geriatrics like Mears and Hoolahan who we didn’t need, but will baulk at paying compo to a little club like Kilmarnock (if he was our preferred option).  The club is very shortsighted on these things.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Just have to say, with our owners seemingly reluctant to want to spend big money, why on earth would Allardyce or Moyes come to us?

I think Allardyce got promoted once about four years ago with West Ham and before that was about fifteen years ago with Bolton and i am not sure Moyes has ever got promotion from the championship? So neither are specialists in this league which seems to be criteria.

And why on earth would they stake their national reputations on a basket case club who are being portrayed in the media as a joke? They can both get far better jobs than West Brom.

They will only get a big pay day if they get promoted and as their experience suggests, the championship isnt their forte.

But if we only appoint someone who has successful experience of the Championship playoffs, then by definition we will be looking at managers who subsequently failed in the Premier League.

We need the best available coach to get the best of this squad to ensure we make the playoffs from the next 10 games, and then to prepare us to win a 2-leg semi final and then a cup final.  Nothing more, nothing less. Allardyce, Moyes, McCarthy, Pearson, Jokonovic all have their attributes for THAT role.  Then re-assess.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 10, 2019, 09:57:01 AM
The compo issue is an odd one.  The club will happily spunk £1m on wages for half a season for geriatrics like Mears and Hoolahan who we didn’t need, but will baulk at paying compo to a little club like Kilmarnock (if he was our preferred option).  The club is very shortsighted on these things.
Totally agree but it is a barmy industry where the shop floor earns more than the management !!. With Clarke it isn't so much about the cash its more about the time we are bound to spend trying to haggle the compo down by 10 Bob or so that is the problem in my eyes as time is something we don't have
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on March 10, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
David Wagner is not interested in becoming the new West Brom manager, Sky sources understand.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
David Wagner is not interested in becoming the new West Brom manager, Sky sources understand.


Good. He wouldn't have been my choice anyway.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 10:19:20 AM
Paying compensation to get a new manager is one of the dumbest things anyone can do in football particularly as you will almost certainly fire the coach before his contract has expired. Pay for them to come and then pay for them to go away can easily double cost of hiring them and you almost never end up with a better coach.

Regardless of this in our current position we don't have time to dance the dance. If we approach a club for their manager particularly a highly rated one that club is almost certain to rebuff the initial enquiry they have to otherwise they will be slaughtered by their own fans. It is only when it is very apparent the manager will walk anyway that they will do the deal.
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Post by: Adamstv on March 10, 2019, 10:48:12 AM
How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?

Well we have been on TV around 20 times this season so who knows
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 10:48:46 AM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.

Can’t argue with any of that. We are well and truly in the mire now.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
The more I think about it the more I think Clarke could be the best option. He recently voiced discontent with the sectarianism up here and is proven. His teams are organised and play decent enough football.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 10:55:54 AM
I've seen it all now. Someone on Facebook wants Lee Hughes.  ::)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 10, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
I've seen it all now. Someone on Facebook wants Lee Hughes.  ::)
can only imagine that’s someone on a massive wind up, probably a dingle. He more I think about it the more Jokanovic appeals.
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Post by: Albionic on March 10, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Why on earth would he leave Roma; who he's just signed up with; to come to us?

If our ownership genuinely tried that i'd suggest they check in to the nearest asylum
Wasn’t aware that he had joined Roma, put a line through that then
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Post by: mr multivac on March 10, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
What we need is some one to bring the same kind of reaction from the team and fans
That OGS has at Man Utd
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
What we need is some one to bring the same kind of reaction from the team and fans
That OGS has at Man Utd

If only there was a club legend that everyone associated with the club respected.  ::)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 10, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
If only there was a club legend that everyone associated with the club respected.  ::)
and was tactically aware and a decent manager too.
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Post by: 17GD on March 10, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
and was tactically aware and a decent manager too.

And had a squad of players worth £600m...
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 10, 2019, 11:43:37 AM
Can’t argue with any of that. We are well and truly in the mire now.

Give Appleton 3 games and he’s the next victim???

No mate he’s not even good enough to manage a lower championship club never mind us. If I remember right he was in charge and we were 3-0 up against West Hamand drew.

 Nothing to do with fans turning on any manager. Any with any sense will know that someone like Appleton is not good enough. End of.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.
Please be careful with off the cuff remarks
Your Nan is now 4/1 2nd favourite to take over
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 11:51:16 AM

Good. He wouldn't have been my choice anyway.
He stated you as his reason 😀
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
He stated you as his reason 😀


 ;D He's a wise man.
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Post by: Pureade1 on March 10, 2019, 11:56:53 AM
If we bring in Appleton then we might as well have stuck with Big Dave as Appleton only has a slight amount of experience at this level and no track record of promotion to speak of, not to mention no premier league experience. Jokanovic would be the choice for me.

Either way you have to hope the club has someone lined up.
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Post by: loucanova on March 10, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
I feel ashamed of our club this morning, Moore has been treated disgustingly and all the club has managed to do so far with this decision is to divide our fan base(again). Who would want to take this job now other than some journeyman. Darren Moore was not perfect but overal since he took charge he has done a lot more good than harm. Truth is this squad isn’t nearly as good as a lot of fans think it is and our board and particularly our bloody useless owner who is so detached from the club and fans, need to take a good hard and long look at themselves because they must shoulder a lot of the blame. I wish Lai would sell up(that’s if anyone else would want to buy us) and urine off.
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
can only imagine that’s someone on a massive wind up, probably a dingle. He more I think about it the more Jokanovic appeals.

I doubt it. He is held in higher esteem than Pope Francis by some of our fans.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
I feel ashamed of our club this morning, Moore has been treated disgustingly and all the club has managed to do so far with this decision is to divide our fan base(again). Who would want to take this job now other than some journeyman. Darren Moore was not perfect but overal since he took charge he has done a lot more good than harm. Truth is this squad isn’t nearly as good as a lot of fans think it is and our board and particularly our bloody useless owner who is so detached from the club and fans, need to take a good hard and long look at themselves because they must shoulder a lot of the blame. I wish Lai would sell up(that’s if anyone else would want to buy us) and urine off.
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
Shocking I thought. Yeah, bad run of form, but without Barnes and Phillips and Gibbs we haven't got much class really, so not surprising we are struggling a bit. I thought we might have given him some time to reshape the squad in the summer and build up some experience as a manager with a view to long term stability, but no. I seriously dread to think who we will appoint. Am fearing the worst. Whoever it is, I would be willing to bet that he will not have got the same number of points after the same number of games that DM has achieved,
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 10, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?

Exactly.

Annoys me when people say it’s not they strong.

Hang on, a back four of Holgate, Dawson, Hegazi and Gibbs is one of the best in the league and before anybody says how many goals we’ve let in that’s because of Moore and jones insisting on us playing tippy tappy football out from the back.

Midfielders like Phillips Barry are two of the best in the league. Even Livermore is a top 6 championship player and great prospects like field and harper.

And then Gayle and Rodriguez is the best strike pair in the league.

With that all in consideration, no, 4th isn’t good enough so it don’t matter if DM wears Albion pants every day. Means nothing.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
With jokanovic, its worth the first few months of last season Fulham were awful, they remained patient and stuck with the coach and got promoted in the end.

As our boards actions and some of our fans expectations show, you dont get allowed a run of bad form at albion, you are deemed not good enough.

Those saying about steve clarke, his son said this morning a section of albion fans hounded him out despite the season before finishing 8th, he said so why on earth did we want him back?

He also said some albion fans had a sense of entitlement, that is sadly how we are perceived by others within football too judging by the reaction (not just fans) and its hard to argue when you sack a manager 4th in the league who until a couple of weeks ago was in the running for the top 2 and had been all season and hasnt been given a chance to turn round a bad run of form.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 12:07:00 PM
Give Appleton 3 games and he’s the next victim???

No mate he’s not even good enough to manage a lower championship club never mind us. If I remember right he was in charge and we were 3-0 up against West Hamand drew.

 Nothing to do with fans turning on any manager. Any with any sense will know that someone like Appleton is not good enough. End of.

What are you talking about? Where have I ever suggested that Appleton would be a good choice?
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Post by: kanu on March 10, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
Big Dave will always be a club legend and leaves with his head held high and reputation intact. Can’t argue with the timing though, we could well have slipped out the top 6 if he’d stayed and then the crowd could have turned on him. He’s not cut out for the no.1 job, I doubt he actually wanted it but took it because he was asked. It has to be Jokanovic, hopefully he’ll be announced later today or tomorrow.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 12:10:03 PM
Big Dave will always be a club legend and leaves with his head held high and reputation intact. Can’t argue with the timing though, we could well have slipped out the top 6 if he’d stayed and then the crowd could have turned on him. He’s not cut out for the no.1 job, I doubt he actually wanted it but took it because he was asked. It has to be Jokanovic, hopefully he’ll be announced later today or tomorrow.


Yep, that wouldn't have been nice.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
With jokanovic, its worth the first few months of last season Fulham were awful, they remained patient and stuck with the coach and got promoted in the end.

As our boards actions and some of our fans expectations show, you dont get allowed a run of bad form at albion, you are deemed not good enough.

Those saying about steve clarke, his son said this morning a section of albion fans hounded him out despite the season before finishing 8th, he said so why on earth did we want him back?

He also said some albion fans had a sense of entitlement, that is sadly how we are perceived by others within football too judging by the reaction (not just fans) and its hard to argue when you sack a manager 4th in the league who until a couple of weeks ago was in the running for the top 2 and had been all season and hasnt been given a chance to turn round a bad run of form.

Some will argue that the poor run of form (not results) has extended for several months and what is the evidence that he could turn it around.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:21:05 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 10, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
No to moyes, he bores me to death
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 12:24:57 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?
When was this then? I must have missed it.
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Post by: baggie82 on March 10, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!

We've not won a home game in 2019 and we've got on of the biggest wage bills in the whole division. Performances have been shocking lately. I wasn't expecting or calling for DM to be sacked but I understand it. I think the main problem is we have players who the board consider to be premier league quality such as Livermore and Rodriquez who actually are very average and overpaid. Plenty of dead wood in our squad.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!

OK if you want to be pedantic on the use of vocabulary then poor performances then! 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:50:13 PM
We also have the best away record in the country over the same period i believe?

Of course home form and performances has been poor but the away form has been the best in the country prior to the leeds game, You get the same points whether its home or away, the form and performances cant of been too bad as we are also the 2nd highest goalscorers in the league.

Think we were 2nd or 3rd going into february with the odd point seperating the teams, of course we have had a bad month but like say i assume any manager now will be judged on the same basis, you have a bad month, your sacked.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
We also have the best away record in the country over the same period i believe?

Of course home form and performances has been poor but the away form has been the best in the country prior to the leeds game, You get the same points whether its home or away, the form and performances cant of been too bad as we are also the 2nd highest goalscorers in the league.

Think we were 2nd or 3rd going into february with the odd point seperating the teams, of course we have had a bad month but like say i assume any manager now will be judged on the same basis, you have a bad month, your sacked.

Unless you are Pulis in which case many on this forum will argue you need at least three transfer windows and a couple of summers before he can be judged.

For Moore many wrote him off within a couple of games. I truly hope he takes what he has learned and comes back really strongly.

We, on the other hand, have totally stuffed this up. I hope to be proved wrong but I now expect us to stumble along with short term appointment after short term appointment.

This will also damage the ability to bring our youth as the next manager won’t be given the time to blood the younger players.

Dark times ahead but I’m desperately hoping to be proved wrong.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 01:09:30 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?

100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.
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Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on March 10, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
Please be careful with off the cuff remarks
Your Nan is now 4/1 2nd favourite to take over

 :D :D

I reckon Vera might actually do a better job than a couple of recent ex managers here.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
I just have a feeling it will be Moyes.
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Post by: Throstletown on March 10, 2019, 01:48:45 PM
The problem in all honesty is the friends and family side of our playing staff, all season we have lost the centre mid battles  and with the players we have the new manager cant put pace and skill or new engines in them so for me, if the board think they are going to get a bounce they are deluded.
Yesterday being out played by a relegation teams midfield was embarrssing but the players again had no heart and who ever is next needs to clear this club of a smell in the dressing room that has been here for years.

Young, positive and a no nonsense individual who is the boss and the players buy in or get out.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
The problem in all honesty is the friends and family side of our playing staff, all season we have lost the centre mid battles  and with the players we have the new manager cant put pace and skill or new engines in them so for me, if the board think they are going to get a bounce they are deluded.
Yesterday being out played by a relegation teams midfield was embarrssing but the players again had no heart and who ever is next needs to clear this club of a smell in the dressing room that has been here for years.

Young, positive and a no nonsense individual who is the boss and the players buy in or get out.


We were outplayed by their midfield because they had four and at times five in there while we had two.
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Post by: Throstletown on March 10, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
That's because they played as a team, were individuals at the moment who cant adapt or dig in for each other.
Lambert was orchestrating his players and even being bottom they had a go we watched each other flounder.   
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Post by: baggiemart on March 10, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.


I'd argue the opposite that maybe he'd lost the players. There seemed a number of discontented players out there yesterday to me not to mention confused at what they were being asked to do. Jay Rodriguez I looked at at one point and he just looked well and truly inebriated off.

I wouldn't be surprised if there has been more going on behind the scenes than we realise, certainly since we came back from Dubai.

Last season we went to Spain, nicked a taxi and everything went even worse than it was before, this year we go away again and a few weeks later everything falls apart again.

Next season stay in bloody Sandwell.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 10, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Spot on. The Pulis legacy just goes on and on. Fed up to the back teeth of reading how we have the best squad....no we don't, they're all bang average at best. And our midfield is the slowest I've ever seen. We're only where we are in the league now because of Harvey Barnes.

Whoever the next manager is will be in for a very tough time if anyone seriously expects promotion with this squad. I think we need to be realistic and re-build from a new base,,,,it could take a few seasons though.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Nonsense. Our players are not good enough to outperform a diabolical Ipswich side? That result and performance yesterday would not have been acceptable for any other team in the league, regardless of their squad, Ipswich are marooned at the bottom and have all but given up.

Simple fact is, ignoring the poor results, performances have been poor all season and we were getting outplayed virtually every match. Moore showed no signs of being able to get any sort of consistency from the team, most of our results in 2019 have been fortunate ones. As long as we bring in a competent head coach I think they will find a new system that is much more suited to this group of players.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 10, 2019, 04:17:37 PM
I agree that we have been lucky this season. Played poorly in a lot of games and then we were rescued by individual genius and skill e.g. Barnes, Phillips, Gayle.

Name 5 games we have been on top for the majority of the game? Rotherham (a), villa(a) - anymore? Even QPR at home we were shocking first half.

We have been sussed in terms of tactics and didn't have a back up plan. We needed to buy a big striker in the window to hold the ball up and give us a plan B for us to get Gayle playing off a big man.

For me it is the ex Fulham manager Jokanovic (sp). Plays football, tactically did well, got teams up for the big games. Moyes, Sam or Harry would be a backward step and would rather we had kept big Dave in that case.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 10, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.

There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?
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Post by: gerry m on March 10, 2019, 04:22:18 PM
There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?

Just out of interest what was our payment for finishing bottom and what was our parachute payment?.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?

The current payment across 3 years is £93m so that makes sense. From a purely financial perspective this works brilliantly. Clean out some of the worst excesses from last season's bloated wage bill get promoted (£100m income) with a much reduced wage bill even if relegated (50% flexdown clauses) we would be in a healthier financial position than today and maybe with a better and younger squad.

That is a brilliant plan but let's face it our club isn't thinking beyond the end of next week to credit them with a plan across 2 seasons is a bit of a stretch, desperate to get back on the gravey train and that is the extent of it. 
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Post by: Albertbaggie on March 10, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.
Decent starting XI  but I'd argue, when a few injuries, a poor squad as yesterday showed. The back four yesterday was not a top half Championship back-line
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Post by: The Joust on March 10, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
It’s not the Albion way to pay compensation for a manager. So, imo, rule out anyone already in a job.

I also believe Jenkins trip to China last week was to discuss parting company with Darren and putting his replacement name forward, who I think is just waiting in the wings to be presented on Monday as the new head coach, I just hope it’s Jokanovic

This, this and this
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Post by: baggie steve on March 10, 2019, 06:21:10 PM
This next appointment needs to be the right one this time , someone to build on what Big Dave attempted to do. Which ever division were in it will need another overhaul of playing staff.
I hope it's not a run of the mill , Hughes Moyes etc.

Jokanovic could be the answer with his playing style
Pearson could add some discipline
An outside candidate could be Mark Robins , I think he will be managing at a much higher level than Coventry soon enough.

I don't have much faith Jenkins will get it right , but hope he proves me wrong
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
A  number of click bait sites promoting Derek Mcinnes as our next Head Coach, a player whom I admired greatly when he was our captain. But, I hope we have learnt our lesson on such appointments after recent times, events and experiences.

Jokanovic for me
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Decent starting XI  but I'd argue, when a few injuries, a poor squad as yesterday showed. The back four yesterday was not a top half Championship back-line

It was a back 3......and that is where the problem was. Play a back 4 and we win the game. Ipswich are as bad as it gets.
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Post by: gerry m on March 10, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
Might be wrong but prehaps someone with strong discipline as DM was probably a bit too pally with the players. Jovanovic  or Wagner for me.
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Post by: we8seals on March 10, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.

This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team
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Post by: seteefeet on March 10, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
Jenkins and Lai know nothing about football so style of play won't come into it. It will be a Pardewesque "name". Just need to hope they fluke it and Lai is not a fan of "I'm a celebrity"
Disillusioned with all things Albion today. We have proved that it is all about chasing the Premier League money and that will reflect in the next appointment. Sincerely hope I'm wrong but expect a dinosaur.
Wagner already ruled himself out for those suggesting him. Unfortunately Allardyce, Moyes, Hughes or King Harry haven't.
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Post by: baggiemart on March 10, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
It might be a good idea to get a temporary manager for the next 10 games. pay them a big bonus if we get promoted.

Then at the end of the season get the best manager in the championship,  Gary Monk.

With the financial restrictions at blues together with the possible points deduction and the terrible scenes at the local derby match today, he might be ready to move on.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team

It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.
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Post by: Aztech on March 10, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team

You must have the best pub team ever
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 10, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
We've tried the tippy tappy - it didn't work.
We've tried playing out from the back - it hasn't worked.
We've tried playing 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, its arguable none of them have worked consistently.

Do you know what I think we need for the last 10 games ?  Get back to basics, tighten up at the back, start playing a no-nonsense 4-4-2 or preferably a 4-3-2-1.  These last 10 games are like a league within a league, so to speak.  We need someone who is cut out for this... someone who has been there and done it before in this scenario...   i totally understand that he wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea right now, but considering all of the above points I made, I would contend that Sir Gary Megson is an ideal guy to bring in on a short-term contract til the end of the season.  I honestly believe he would get us up.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Yes that is the concern I have too, it's not just the questionable tactics of DM.

The club has held onto or signed players either no longer good enough or not fully committed. The hierarchy will live to regret its short-term mindset and I fear that we will not see a genuine rebuilding attempt due to this mindset and an owner clearly wanting his money back.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.

No, they didn’t prove last season that they weren’t Premier League players. All that was proven last year was the team/squad wasn’t good enough to stay up. It doesn’t mean that none of the players were individually good enough.

Gibbs, Hegazi, Dawson, Rodriguez and Phillips would all find a bottom 8 Premier League club tomorrow, even if just squad players. Not sure that Livermore would based on this season’s performances.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 07:42:00 PM
No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.

You can say I'm wrong all you like, that don't change the fact that a big portion of our current squad WILL end up at Premier League clubs if we don't go up, so in essence, what I am saying is that you are wrong. Scoring goals has not been an issue, poor defensive tactics is the reason we are not currently up there with the top 3. othing to do with the quality of the squad, more to do with a lack of quality management. Bielsa would have us clear at the top by someway.
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 07:55:56 PM
You can say I'm wrong all you like, that don't change the fact that a big portion of our current squad WILL end up at Premier League clubs if we don't go up, so in essence, what I am saying is that you are wrong. Scoring goals has not been an issue, poor defensive tactics is the reason we are not currently up there with the top 3. othing to do with the quality of the squad, more to do with a lack of quality management. Bielsa would have us clear at the top by someway.
Putting it in capital letters doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion but one that lacks any evidence to back it up. If we had so many players of Premiership quality, how come we didn't get any bids for them last summer, apart from Burnley bidding for Dawson and Rodriguez. And how come we had no bids at all in January? You are way over rating our squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:02:29 PM
Putting it in capital letters doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion but one that lacks any evidence to back it up. If we had so many players of Premiership quality, how come we didn't get any bids for them last summer, apart from Burnley bidding for Dawson and Rodriguez. And how come we had no bids at all in January? You are way over rating our squad.

You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
John Percy has just posted that we are in talks with Jokanovic, with Alex Neil and David Wagner also in the frame (although Wagner ruled himself for this season), and Carvalhal has also made it known that he’s interested
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Post by: Oldbury24 on March 10, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Anyone who thinks a squad comprising of Bartley, mears, hoolahan, mozza and brunt and some kids, who all wish were good enough, but are nowhere near a good kid like HB, is the best squad in the this division is simply wrong.

It is not even the best championship squad in the Midlands as imo both vile and Stoke have better squads.

Our bench is laughable and no one can come on and change a game as Leko proved yesterday against the worst team in the league.

Jenkins, I suspect is on a bonus too to go up and fearing that has acted.

It's strange how the pr team of the detestable swain releases the £10m bonus for going up last week in preparation for the sacking this week.

It makes the club look good, as the message is sent we can't do more than we have and here £10m to prove it.

When in reality we are left to scour the free market for the aforementioned squad fillers.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:38:43 PM
Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.

Yes, I've watched every single game. Including all those games when we have smashed teams because of our superior player quality, rather than genius tactics.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on March 10, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
John Percy has just posted that we are in talks with Jokanovic, with Alex Neil and David Wagner also in the frame (although Wagner ruled himself for this season), and Carvalhal has also made it known that he’s interested
Could certainly be a more worrying list, hope it's Jokanovic personally. Saying that I'm not sure that any of them class as a quick fix manager, except Carvalhal maybe, which may be a good thing.

Whatever happens re promotion we'll be entering a period where hopefully a lot of planning for different scenarios next season should be taking place. Knowing who your a manager is going to be going forward should be a very important part of that process.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 10, 2019, 08:41:48 PM
If squad quality is purely about having Premier experience them Stoke have the best squad surely. Berahino, McLean and Fletcher have bags of it, perhaps we should have kept them.
Our squad is best in name alone. Moore made mistakes throughout the season but to absolve the players of any blame is more "clueless" than anything he did.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
Anyone who thinks a squad comprising of Bartley, mears, hoolahan, mozza and brunt and some kids, who all wish were good enough, but are nowhere near a good kid like HB, is the best squad in the this division is simply wrong.

It is not even the best championship squad in the Midlands as imo both vile and Stoke have better squads.

Our bench is laughable and no one can come on and change a game as Leko proved yesterday against the worst team in the league.

Jenkins, I suspect is on a bonus too to go up and fearing that has acted.

It's strange how the pr team of the detestable swain releases the £10m bonus for going up last week in preparation for the sacking this week.

It makes the club look good, as the message is sent we can't do more than we have and here £10m to prove it.

When in reality we are left to scour the free market for the aforementioned squad fillers.

Such a poor argument. You picked our worst players who barely play and wouldn't make the bench with a fully fit squad to show why we haven't got the best squad in the league? Doubt Norwich and Leeds' 4th/5th choice players are markedly better than Brunt, Bartley, Mozza or Hoolahan.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
If squad quality is purely about having Premier experience them Stoke have the best squad surely. Berahino, McLean and Fletcher have bags of it, perhaps we should have kept them.
Our squad is best in name alone. Moore made mistakes throughout the season but to absolve the players of any blame is more "clueless" than anything he did.

The team has failed collectively, but lets not forget the good things the team has done. We have scored lots of goals and are only a bit of defensive organisation away from topping this league. Our failures have been defensively and for me that has been largely down to the system and coaching. McLean struggled to get in our team, Fletcher is past his sell by date and Berahino well the less said about him, the better.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 09:02:01 PM
You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.
I'll ask again. What interest/bids were these then?
Some of them ARE premier league players? Some of them WERE, but they weren't good enough and we got relegated.
You are just making statements without backing them up with any evidence whatsoever
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
West Brom to continue talks with  Slavisa Jokanovic as former Fulham manager heads four-man shortlist

Please let it be Jokanovic. An article from the reliable John Percy

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/10/west-brom-continue-talks-slavisa-jokanovic-former-fulham-manager/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: smosher34 on March 10, 2019, 09:14:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is in place Monday. They know we can't mess about with only 10 games left.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 09:14:31 PM
You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.

You make me laugh.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:18:25 PM
Such a poor argument. You picked our worst players who barely play and wouldn't make the bench with a fully fit squad to show why we haven't got the best squad in the league? Doubt Norwich and Leeds' 4th/5th choice players are markedly better than Brunt, Bartley, Mozza or Hoolahan.

Yeah, I apologise it is a brilliant squad made up of other team's players and young kids interspersed with some in their late 30's who frequent the medical facilities more than the training pitches.

We should be top just because we in the prem last season and kept players who proved in the 6-7 games that I they performed when they wanted to not when their fans demanded and deserved it..

An absolute brilliant squad which is so great nobody bids for any of our players (because the best ones aren't ours).

We should have sewn up promotion by Xmas.
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Post by: lindenbaggie on March 10, 2019, 09:22:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is in place Monday. They know we can't mess about with only 10 games left.

Yes, this week to evaluate and hopefully pick up some points.  and the next two weeks break to prepare for the final push. A difficult time for whoever comes in.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:39:42 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.

We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
Yeah, I apologise it is a brilliant squad made up of other team's players and young kids interspersed with some in their late 30's who frequent the medical facilities more than the training pitches.

We should be top just because we in the prem last season and kept players who proved in the 6-7 games that I they performed when they wanted to not when their fans demanded and deserved it..

An absolute brilliant squad which is so great nobody bids for any of our players (because the best ones aren't ours).

We should have sewn up promotion by Xmas.

Have a quick look through each Championship squad on transfermarkt or wikipedia and make your own mind up, they are nowhere near as strong as even a bog standard Prem side. Nobody bid for Pukki, Sharp or Pablo Hernandez in January either, again your argument is flawed.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I have said it is a brilliant squad and obviously doff my hat to the extensive football knowledge of transfermarket and Wikipedia over my own eyes and lifetime of supporting the Albion.

An absolute brilliant squad whose mistakes have turned winning positions against the like of boro and Brighton into defeats.

Constant stupid mistakes are always a hallmark of a great squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2019, 10:37:00 PM
Jokanovic took a while to get going with Fulham, although does get the team playing good football when he does. Wouldn't be expecting instant improvement with him but I'd be fairly confident about next season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 10:38:22 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.

We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.

SJ took over at Watford in October 2014 and they got promoted that season - it wasn’t
even “his” squad. He took over at Fulham in December 2015 and they finished 11 points above relegation - again not “his” squad. The following season they reached the playoffs, and the following season they got promoted.

I’d say that his Championship record is pretty outstanding.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 10, 2019, 10:39:56 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.


We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.

The recruitment at Fulham was shocking but not all down to Jokanovic, there was a spell where a friend of the owners son was responsible for it all and it seems many signings were not approved by Jokanovic and he was having to put them in a team somehow.

He only joined in December 2015, kept them up that year, got them in the play offs in first full season and promoted second season so not a bad job at all.
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Post by: Plastic Paddy on March 10, 2019, 10:54:59 PM
West Brom to continue talks with  Slavisa Jokanovic as former Fulham manager heads four-man shortlist

Please let it be Jokanovic. An article from the reliable John Percy

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/10/west-brom-continue-talks-slavisa-jokanovic-former-fulham-manager/

Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).

WEVE GOT KANNNUUUUUU  :D

I’m hoping the new Guy is in place to watch his team play against Swansea.
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Post by: Adder on March 10, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).
We also haven't got a midfielder capable of consistently pulling the strings as Cairney did for them last season - back to the point of recruitment which will be happening promotion or not, and the DoF and the manager hopefully being on the same wavelength. 
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 10, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.

Harsh on J-Rod and Johnstone (although I’d still look to sell both and upgrade in the summer). Totally agree re Livermore and Bartley!
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
The recruitment at Fulham was shocking but not all down to Jokanovic, there was a spell where a friend of the owners son was responsible for it all and it seems many signings were not approved by Jokanovic and he was having to put them in a team somehow.

He only joined in December 2015, kept them up that year, got them in the play offs in first full season and promoted second season so not a bad job at all.

I did not say he did a bad job, and I have liked him for a while and said I wanted him when Pulis went.

But, it does concern me that he didn't have the balls to put his foot down and say I need a replacement for Tim ream not a Jean serri and the fact he walked out on Watford after promotion because his contract was not right rather than test himself in the prem with team he got promoted.

I think some are reading to much into the link between him and LD as the family that own Watford (pozzo I think) own udinese and Grenada and loaned most of the players to Watford so they went up as they obviously see the prem as the golden goose that must be protected after buying the hornets for a reported £500k.

So many loans that the EFL brought in a new rule restricting the number of loans

The jury is truly out on LD as in my eyes he hasn't brought in any unknown players from abroad or the lower leagues to improve us using his knowledge and contacts.

We went for tried and tested short term loans.

Hopefully, LD will prove himself in due course but the fact Watford not forest fought to keep him does not inspire me with confidence.


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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
It is looking increasingly like it is going to Jokanovic.

Looking at what he did at Fulham tactically he used a 4-3-3 and played some of the best football that the Championship has seen.

However it is an absolute world away from where we are at the moment.

In attack Jokanovic's 4-3-3  featured two wide players Sessegnon left and Piazon right with Mitrovic as the target man. The very obvious issues here are our complete lack of a traget man and other than HRK we don't have a left footed wide player.

The good news is that he has a third of his first choice midfield in Johansen but what he doesn't have is the  mobility of McDonald and Cairney

Defensively he was blessed with Ream and Kalas the latter being one of the best ball playing centre backs playing outside a top division. At full back he had Targett and Fredericks who both are attack minded particularly Fredericks. Hence the importance of a mobile Central Midfield combination.

He might of orchastrated the side to perfection but it was a very well balanced squad.

Regardless of who we appoint they will have the same challenges Moore had and I won't expect better outcomes. We might make the  play offs and we might get promoted or as likely not. However the real challenge starts next season with a long overdue rebuild how the new Head Coach moulds that future is what will matter.What happens between now and the end of the season unless it is a complete and utter disaster is almost a free hit.   
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Post by: chipperclark on March 11, 2019, 04:45:10 AM
 ;D Whats Meggo doing??? :D
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 11, 2019, 07:19:07 AM
Unless the club announces his replacement before Wednesday, it makes an even bigger mockery of the decision to sack Moore.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on March 11, 2019, 08:20:01 AM
While on the face of it our squad has major limitations, a new manager coming in like Jokanovic might just look at 4 or 5 of the younger players and say right this lad looks the best bet for the type of player I want in that position. Granted it doesn't sound like a fast-track to promotion this season and agree that overall our squad needs major attention.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2019, 08:50:25 AM
Has to be Jokanovic from the names mentioned - otherwise we may as well kept Darren Moore.

It's a no from me, to Carvalhal & Neil
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 11, 2019, 08:52:25 AM
Has to be Jokanovic from the names mentioned - otherwise we may as well kept Darren Moore.

It's a no from me, to Carvalhal & Neil

Agreed. Jokanovic has proven pedigree at getting teams promoted from Championship. Something we probably should have considered back in the summer when making our decision then !
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 11, 2019, 08:53:11 AM
I have little or no faith in us appointing the right man.

I want Jokanovic but can see it being Rowett knowing our lot.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 11, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years
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Post by: kc56wba on March 11, 2019, 09:07:49 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years

What is it with the love in with ex - Albion players, lets get someone in with no previous conections with the club.
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Post by: baggie38 on March 11, 2019, 09:09:17 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years

What makes people want McInnis so much? Is it simply the fact that he is a former player of ours? That turned out well for big Dave didn't it? Alot of people who are based in Scotland who watch SPL football week in week out suggest that he has one of the best players in the league and doesn't know how or where to use him. By all accounts he hasn't got this glowing reputation with Aberdeen fans anymore either.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 11, 2019, 09:10:21 AM
Massive no to McInnes.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:12:34 AM
Jokanovic is the standout candidate and the only name I'd be happy with out of the current contenders. McInnis or Appleton is a massive no from me. We need proven, not untested.
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Post by: 17GD on March 11, 2019, 09:15:46 AM
Just read that we're interested in Alex Neil who is currently at Preston.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:21:23 AM
Just read that we're interested in Alex Neil who is currently at Preston.

Hopefully just paper talk.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 11, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
Our board have made appalling decisions for the last decade, overall. I've no faith in them getting it right this time.

They needed to commit to Darren or not appoint him at all, the man is on a learning curve and they should have either stuck to their guns or not gone with it in the first place.

We could have been contenders after that 5-5 with United in 2013. We should have gone all out for Lukaku and shown ambition. Clarke never really got the chance to build on what RH had achieved and since then it has been NO AMBITION all the way.

I love our club but it stinks to high hell at the roots.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:39:54 AM
Our board have made appalling decisions for the last decade, overall. I've no faith in them getting it right this time.

They needed to commit to Darren or not appoint him at all, the man is on a learning curve and they should have either stuck to their guns or not gone with it in the first place.

We could have been contenders after that 5-5 with United in 2013. We should have gone all out for Lukaku and shown ambition. Clarke never really got the chance to build on what RH had achieved and since then it has been NO AMBITION all the way.

I love our club but it stinks to high hell at the roots.


Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 09:47:42 AM
I hope whoever we appoint will have the balls to face up to the board and spell out in no uncertain terms that this club needs a complete re-build whether we go up or not. This ownership needs to hear some harsh truths unless they want to spend the next decade outside the premiership....like so many other clubs with our heritage and tradition.

There's a lot of arrogance around our club at present....and we ain't very good lads.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
I hope whoever we appoint will have the balls to face up to the board and spell out in no uncertain terms that this club needs a complete re-build whether we go up or not. This ownership needs to hear some harsh truths unless they want to spend the next decade outside the premiership....like so many other clubs with our heritage and tradition.

There's a lot of arrogance around our club at present....and we ain't very good lads.

I hope the prospective also asks/demands what support and backing he will get from the owner and board
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 09:52:20 AM
Hopefully just paper talk.
John Percy mentioned him as 'one of four' .....
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Post by: bradleysrocket on March 11, 2019, 10:00:26 AM
He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium
sacked in February.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 11, 2019, 10:02:22 AM
I would knock Wagner and Neil off Percy's list. Wagner doesn't appear interested and Neil is in work. That leaves Jokanovic and Carvalhal. I would add Moyes as a third possibility.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 10:05:46 AM

Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
That was over 5 years ago and it was his first manager's post. Does it not occur to you that he may have learned a lot and improved a lot since that time. Actually, this could be said about several comments about other candidates too where they are being judged on things that happened years ago when they were new to the job. I'm not advocating any of these people necessarily, but some people do improve with experience.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
The fact that it appears we have no-one lined up makes the decision all the more baffling. I just don't get what the new guy's remit will be.
It can't be automatic because that is too unrealistic
It can't be consolidation in the play off places because that was odds on anyway.
Can only be win the play offs or else, which is just ridiculous and will surely make any candidate think twice.

I would be interested to hear what those who think we have the best squad in the division would consider the minimum requirement of the new manager.
After all, if this is true and our failures are purely down to Moore and Jones' tactical ineptitude, then he should be able to fix it immediately. So what would be an acceptable points haul from the likely 9 games in charge?
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Post by: boinging_along on March 11, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
I'm not sure we have THE best squad in the division but it's up there with the top 2 or 3.  Surely there's no arguing with that? Like it or not, the playing out from the back, the way we set up and the tactical approach has cost us this season.  It's simply not working.

A minimum requirement would be play offs and an improvement in how we approach games.  I don't mean winning them but making them, I'm not 100% sure if Moore would have managed that, maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't but I don't think there's much doubt whoever we play would have turned us over.

Part of the problem we have had is playing a system that doesn't suit the players.  Of course any issues won't be fixed immediately, nobody expects that but, unless you're telling me that Moore was getting the maximum from this squad then there's room for improvement.

Ipswich was no one off, we've played like that more often than not this season, unless that's the level of this squad then the management have to take some responsibility.  Or do you think that being outplayed by bottom club Ipswich is actually our level?
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 10:19:16 AM
That was over 5 years ago and it was his first manager's post. Does it not occur to you that he may have learned a lot and improved a lot since that time. Actually, this could be said about several comments about other candidates too where they are being judged on things that happened years ago when they were new to the job. I'm not advocating any of these people necessarily, but some people do improve with experience.

No has he has been plying his trade at a much lower level in Scotland. He's found his level in my opinion. I'd rather have Pulis back than Clarke by a country mile.

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Post by: hardtobeat on March 11, 2019, 10:29:40 AM

Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
Disagreed entirely on many counts. Following a success is often the hardest job e.g Man Utd ! Also think he was led to believe Lukaku was going to return and planning was geared around that when as per the board dawdled Clarke was left in a bad place , still would have kept us up given the chance and then may well have gone on to improve us had he been given the same backing in the transfer market as the be capped one . Since Roy's departure Clarke was the one we sacked way to soon !
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2019, 10:29:58 AM
I did not say he did a bad job, and I have liked him for a while and said I wanted him when Pulis went.

But, it does concern me that he didn't have the balls to put his foot down and say I need a replacement for Tim ream not a Jean serri and the fact he walked out on Watford after promotion because his contract was not right rather than test himself in the prem with team he got promoted.

I think some are reading to much into the link between him and LD as the family that own Watford (pozzo I think) own udinese and Grenada and loaned most of the players to Watford so they went up as they obviously see the prem as the golden goose that must be protected after buying the hornets for a reported £500k.

So many loans that the EFL brought in a new rule restricting the number of loans

The jury is truly out on LD as in my eyes he hasn't brought in any unknown players from abroad or the lower leagues to improve us using his knowledge and contacts.

We went for tried and tested short term loans.

Hopefully, LD will prove himself in due course but the fact Watford not forest fought to keep him does not inspire me with confidence.

I wanted Jokanovic before Moore got the job to be honest but he was never going to leave Fulham for us in their position.

Can't blame him for leaving Watford if hes not happy with the deal offered, we don't know if any promises were made but not kept so hard for us to give views one way or the other. As for Fulham a friend of the owners son was getting involved in signings at one time using the moneyball system which seemed to cause problems that were never solved but if Jokanivic does come in and gets the best out of Johansen it might be a good thing all round.
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Post by: NJS on March 11, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
Secretly taped from board meeting WBA 07/03/2019 - conducted by long-distance phone conferencing.

"  OK what's the cheapest option?"

"Well sir there's a few ex-players that would do it for love - almost.  you know Appleton, McInnes, Matt Carbon .."

"No we've gone down that route we wouldn't get away with it again"

" OK what's the next cheapest option?"

"Well your eastern magnificence, there's Alex Neil"

"No we would have to buy him out - that's a waste of money up front.  Whose next cheapest and out of a job?"

"Well you on whose #### [redacted] the sun would not dare to set, that leaves Carvalho."

"I don't know.  He's continental and therefore has expensive tastes and is not sufficiently malleable.  Ok try and get him on  contract until the end of the season and stay on your knees in front of me"

"But your mighty and exemplary excellency, why were we talking to Jokanovic?"

To pick up tips on how to manage a footballing side you idiot dog!"

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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 10:32:27 AM
I'm not sure we have THE best squad in the division but it's up there with the top 2 or 3.  Surely there's no arguing with that? Like it or not, the playing out from the back, the way we set up and the tactical approach has cost us this season.  It's simply not working.

A minimum requirement would be play offs and an improvement in how we approach games.  I don't mean winning them but making them, I'm not 100% sure if Moore would have managed that, maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't but I don't think there's much doubt whoever we play would have turned us over.

Part of the problem we have had is playing a system that doesn't suit the players.  Of course any issues won't be fixed immediately, nobody expects that but, unless you're telling me that Moore was getting the maximum from this squad then there's room for improvement.

Ipswich was no one off, we've played like that more often than not this season, unless that's the level of this squad then the management have to take some responsibility.  Or do you think that being outplayed by bottom club Ipswich is actually our level?
So the requirement is an improvement in style, not points?
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Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.
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Post by: Pie on March 11, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.

Rangnick is manager of RB Leipzig who are THIRD in the Bundesliga.

Enough said.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.
I remember quite a few people saying exactly this when DM was appointed. You are of course right, but it's not got a snowflakes chance of happening. At the first sign of a slump, around half of the people on this board will be baying for his head.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 10:54:45 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.

At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 11:03:14 AM
At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.

Completely agree. We've been sleep-walking into this situation for two/three seasons now...but will Mr Lai understand any of this?

A very very tough job for somebody.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Completely agree. We've been sleep-walking into this situation for two/three seasons now...but will Mr Lai understand any of this?

A very very tough job for somebody.
No, he'll just keep sacking managers.
It's one thing to give a manager a remit of automatic promotion, but if you don't give him the tools to achieve it, he is doomed to fail.

If Lai is adamant that promotion is the ultimate goal then he has to put his money where his mouth is otherwise he will have a very long wait.

I asked earlier in the thread. What is the new manager's remit?
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.
You're quite right. The other ingredient the new guy will need is time, something we as supporters and the club itself seem completely unwilling to give somebody. Big Dave changed the style of football, got us scoring goals again, improved morale, and started to bring through some home grown youngsters, but as soon as the going gets a bit tough he gets sacked. He was given less than a year starting from a very low point. Look at some of the other managers now succeeding at other clubs who have started moderately but have been given 2-3 years to build up a squad and get them playing well together. Since Big Ron in the late 70's, we have had over 30 managers, and only 1 (Gary Megson) has been given 3 years in the job.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 11:13:37 AM
No, he'll just keep sacking managers.
It's one thing to give a manager a remit of automatic promotion, but if you don't give him the tools to achieve it, he is doomed to fail.

If Lai is adamant that promotion is the ultimate goal then he has to put his money where his mouth is otherwise he will have a very long wait.

I asked earlier in the thread. What is the new manager's remit?

We have the tools, they just haven't been utilised properly. This is evidenced in our 1st matches against Leeds, Sheff Utd and Norwich this season.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz

Not sure if i have managed to do this right (i am rubbish at links)

Think our board and some of our fans need to read what he says.
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Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
Rangnick is manager of RB Leipzig who are THIRD in the Bundesliga.

Enough said.
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.
https://www.google.com/search?q=RB+Leipzig&oq=RB+Leipzig&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61j0l3.8429j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/065zf3p;2;/m/037169;st;fp;1;;

Take 5 minutes & tell me you don't like what you hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Csig7_fqw


The Bundesliga
is a professional association football league in Germany and the football league with the highest average stadium attendance worldwide. At the top of the German football league system, the Bundesliga is Germany's primary football competition. Wikipedia
Current champion: FC Bayern Munich (27th title)
Most championships: Bayern Munich (27 titles)
Most appearances: Karl-Heinz Körbel (602)
Number of teams: 18
Did you know: The Bundesliga ranks seventh among domestic professional sports leagues in the world by total attendance (13,661,796). wikipedia.org

Before we signed Irvin has our new manager Ralf was in the mix if he only had got the job then.

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Post by: Pie on March 11, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.
https://www.google.com/search?q=RB+Leipzig&oq=RB+Leipzig&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61j0l3.8429j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/065zf3p;2;/m/037169;st;fp;1;;

Take 5 minutes & tell me you don't like what you hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Csig7_fqw


The Bundesliga
is a professional association football league in Germany and the football league with the highest average stadium attendance worldwide. At the top of the German football league system, the Bundesliga is Germany's primary football competition. Wikipedia
Current champion: FC Bayern Munich (27th title)
Most championships: Bayern Munich (27 titles)
Most appearances: Karl-Heinz Körbel (602)
Number of teams: 18
Did you know: The Bundesliga ranks seventh among domestic professional sports leagues in the world by total attendance (13,661,796). wikipedia.org

Apologies if it wasn't obvious to you but I was alluding to the fact that he will never want to come here seeing as he is manager of a team third in the Bundesliga...
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Post by: Jack Thrust on March 11, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.

I don't think Pie was questioning the ability of Rangnick nor the quality of the Bundesliga, but rather why a successful coach in a good league would want to swap that situation for the one we find ourselves in here. He would have to be mental, or offered a mental amount of money, neither of which seem likely.

I don't really care who we appoint as they'll be gone before the end of next season, I just hope we get them in quickly as the endless speculation does my head in.

Seriously bored of football and everything about it at the moment.
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Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Maybe for this.
Thanks for this link Albion 79
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz
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Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
The next boss needs to get a play off spot and hope they can mastermind the win.

Lets all be honest here, whoever gets the job next has a thankless task either way, if they manage to get us promoted, will they get the backing from Lai?

If we don't go up, they have a massive rebuilding job at hand, whilst also trying to implent their style, again will they get the backing to bring in some players, and if they don't start the season well they will probably be sacked by Christmas (as is the nature of football nowadays).

If we are to remain in the championship next year then we need a manager that can utilise the transfer market abroad. If you look at Norwich's team, personally I hadn't heard of a good 7/8 of their players but they play for each other and look set to get promoted. Would be interesting to see how much Norwich's team cost to put together.

What a massive appointment for the club. Lets just hope they can somehow get it right.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
We have the tools, they just haven't been utilised properly. This is evidenced in our 1st matches against Leeds, Sheff Utd and Norwich this season.
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?
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Post by: garry on March 11, 2019, 12:08:47 PM

What a massive appointment for the club. Lets just hope they can somehow get it right.

We say this every time, because every time it's true.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?

I wouldn't hold your breath. If he replies at all, it is generally to avoid the question rather than answering it.
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Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
what is Mr Wenger upto??

I would love to see one of these "top" managers try to achieve success with an average team, the nearest I can think of who tried it is Rafa.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz

Not sure if i have managed to do this right (i am rubbish at links)

Think our board and some of our fans need to read what he says.

He wants to feel appreciated and supported (which makes sense). I don’t think the Albion is right for you :)
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 12:21:08 PM
He wants to feel appreciated and supported (which makes sense). I don’t think the Albion is right for you :)
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
Whoever we appoint, it won't be long before he isn't good enough for some people. Darren Moore, in his first season as a manager, still managed to achieve the best win ratio at this level or above, of ANY manager EVER in our history (not counting temporary managers), but it still wasn't good enough, so what chance has the next guy got?
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.

I was actually going to add that they gave him time at Fulham to build something. It was a late season run that helped them make the play offs. Would have been out of the job by Christmas at Albion :)
Also the board have made it clear we need promotion this season but they are still talking to potential candidates. If the new man isn’t in place soon they are giving up games that we don’t have...
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Post by: ben_westbrom on March 11, 2019, 12:37:17 PM
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.

Think the difference between the two is that we've been getting progressively worse under Moore not improving under a new style of play.
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Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on March 11, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
My hope is that this decision to change Manager at this late stage of the season is at least part due to the current owner having a potential buyer if we get promoted, and we then get someone actually interested in developing the clubs potential.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Think the difference between the two is that we've been getting progressively worse under Moore not improving under a new style of play.

But points are what matters to the board. They have pretty much said that, would they have been patient with “improved” performances but remaining 14th in the league...Also if memory serves we had won 8 on the bounce away from home before Leeds...
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Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 11, 2019, 12:47:23 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

Mmmm.
Grumpy by name grumpy by nature
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Post by: alex1 on March 11, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.
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Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 11, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
Mmmm.
Grumpy by name grumpy by nature

Both!
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Post by: albion59 on March 11, 2019, 12:56:09 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?

Then He will want him gone, just like Darren Moore!
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Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 12:56:40 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.

open minded on Shakey, the reasons you give are irrelevant though !
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.

Yes - he should have been Darren Moore's number two.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 01:11:43 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?


Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.
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Post by: GREGMT on March 11, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.

Exactly.  Performances and points haul were getting WORSE as the season progressed.  You would hope it would be the opposite as the team started to knit together and the squad became familiar with the boss's tactics, formation, system, managerial style etc.

I was really annoyed when Bartley and Brunt were overplayed from the season start, resulting in some adverse performances.  However, in early November we built momentum from picking Barry and having the Hegazi/Dawson combination.

It went downhill for me over Xmas and beyond as we failed to rotate the squad properly for the 4 Xmas fixtures, drawing at home to Sheff Wed and losing at Blackburn.  On losing Harvey Barnes we should've tightened up defensively knowing we wouldn't score so many.

In the last few weeks we've had this ridiculous scenario with Jones falling out with people, messing the club about over managing Luton and more importantly UNDERMINING's Big Dave.  The players probably lost focus on the training ground, not knowing who was running the show!
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 01:55:33 PM
Exactly.  Performances and points haul were getting WORSE as the season progressed.  You would hope it would be the opposite as the team started to knit together and the squad became familiar with the boss's tactics, formation, system, managerial style etc.

I was really annoyed when Bartley and Brunt were overplayed from the season start, resulting in some adverse performances.  However, in early November we built momentum from picking Barry and having the Hegazi/Dawson combination.

It went downhill for me over Xmas and beyond as we failed to rotate the squad properly for the 4 Xmas fixtures, drawing at home to Sheff Wed and losing at Blackburn.  On losing Harvey Barnes we should've tightened up defensively knowing we wouldn't score so many.

In the last few weeks we've had this ridiculous scenario with Jones falling out with people, messing the club about over managing Luton and more importantly UNDERMINING's Big Dave.  The players probably lost focus on the training ground, not knowing who was running the show!
We got more points in the last 15  games than we did the first 15.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 01:58:37 PM
Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.
So all he has to do is keep us where we are now?
and, if we don't go up, you won't judge him until November?
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Albion approach Slavisa Jokanovic over vacant head coach role. Technical director Luke Dowling, who worked with him at Watford, is leading the search. Others will be sounded out at start of this week, but Jokanovic in pole position as it stands ”

Hadn’t realised Downing worked with Jokanovic at Watford, not sure if that is a positive or a negative
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Post by: GREGMT on March 11, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
We got more points in the last 15  games than we did the first 15.

Yes that is true. 

I did state that playing Bartley was holding us back in those first 15 games. 

Unfortunately when it came to the crunch of Sheff U and Leeds back to back, we were found wanting.  The annoying thing is they are not in any way superior technically, just better set up with a streetwise manager. 
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 02:42:07 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 02:48:17 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

Might be bust....could be too much of a poisoned chalice for Jokanovic and his career ambitions. We have no money (it seems) and an ageing squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan87uk on March 11, 2019, 02:50:01 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

It's one of those rare instances where I agree with you Jacko  ;)

McInnes has done nothing with his Aberdeen side in the pub league except occasionally offer Celtic a faux rivalry until Rangers got back up to speed - which has now happened and Aberdeen nowhere near them.

Shakespeare.. just why? if you are going to go with him you may as well have kept Moore

Appleton - backwards step even compared to Moore, no thanks
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 02:50:48 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

100% agree with you on all counts!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 02:52:22 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

Agreed. He's the only proven and realistic option out there. He's been there and done it while playing attractive football. Hopefully we get him in ASAP and get to work extracting the best out of this squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 02:55:35 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

To be fair that is a good shout. What he has extracted from the mess that is blooze is pretty remarkable
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 03:32:20 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 03:37:25 PM
He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession
In 10-13 games he could have a trip to Wembley and promotion on his CV, he would jump at it for the right price im guessing!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: merson94 on March 11, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
The shortlist is pretty dire. Recycled managers that will just all play the same football. But Jokanovic is the obz the clear runner for me as he's been there and done it with Fulham, albeit through the play-offs... As much as we moaned about Big Dave not learning from mistakes, he can leave with his head held high after regaining our honour and at the end of last season and where we are now
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 03:45:38 PM
All a bit quiet. Any more rumours anyone?

I do hope there aren't any re: Big Sam, Hughes or Moyes (or similar)..... >:(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 11, 2019, 03:48:33 PM
He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession

not a "pile of doo doo" here mate, just need someone with common sense and knows how to play the right way with the players we have which is more than good enough to seriously challenge for the top 2.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

Didn’t we just fire a guy who came to a club in crisis and on its knees (that hadn’t won a game in months). Also sold his best players and didn’t give him adequate funds to replace them...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:16:48 PM
Didn’t we just fire a guy who came to a club in crisis and on its knees (that hadn’t won a game in months). Also sold his best players and didn’t give him adequate funds to replace them...
Define a crisis, i'd say Blues wins that one hands down to be honest
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 04:26:00 PM
Define a crisis, i'd say Blues wins that one hands down to be honest

I’m not saying blues aren’t in crisis it’s just the Monk argument doesn’t take into account that Moore inherited a mess too. To gloss over that is naive. You could also say when Monk had better squads at Leeds  and Boro he struggled. Also interestingly this was written about Monk at Leeds.
“After beating Brighton 2–0 on 19 March 2017, Leeds were firmly in the playoff positions and in the hunt for automatic promotion, having pulled 11 points clear of 7th place. However, after a dramatic loss of form in the final 8 matches of the season, Leeds mathematically missed out on the playoffs on the final day of the season, finishing in 7th place after being overtaken by Fulham”. :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
I’m not saying blues aren’t in crisis it’s just the Monk argument doesn’t take into account that Moore inherited a mess too. To gloss over that is naive. You could also say when Monk had better squads at Leeds  and Boro he struggled. Also interestingly this was written about Monk at Leeds.
“After beating Brighton 2–0 on 19 March 2017, Leeds were firmly in the playoff positions and in the hunt for automatic promotion, having pulled 11 points clear of 7th place. However, after a dramatic loss of form in the final 8 matches of the season, Leeds mathematically missed out on the playoffs on the final day of the season, finishing in 7th place after being overtaken by Fulham”. :)
Im not saying Monk is the answer to anything, just a better option than some banded about, he has restored his reputation as a young British manager that can manage a squad on limited budgets which is exactly what he would be doing here. To be honest I think Moore was still the answer and deserved to see the final quarter out and be judged at the end of the season, we are still in a very strong position that at least 20 teams below us would love to be, it was going to take a monumental effort to cock the playoffs up from here then it is anybody's to win, if his remit was to gain promotion, then it is my belief they pressed the panic button too early as he was on target to have a shot albeit through the lottery of play offs, which is exactly what the new manager will have to do!?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 11, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

he's got us over a barrel...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
Karanka is a wild card at 16/1, Moyes now second fav with the bookies.......  ???
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 11, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
Karanka is a wild card at 16/1, Moyes now second fav with the bookies.......  ???
Didn't Moyes more or less say we were beneath him a couple of sackings ago?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
If we are talking wildcards then I'd go with Lampard or Gerrard. Jokanovic is the man for the job in my opinion.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2019, 06:30:59 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.
Spot on Jacko
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 11, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
If the board had issues with Moore and his staff back in November I'd expect a coach to be in place today. Looks like knee jerk reaction from owner who just realised he's bought a white elephant
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 11, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Scratch Zidane  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
Solari...oh, oh. By the Gypsy Kings. :-X
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 07:11:42 PM
“Slavisa Jokanovic: West Brom hope to name ex-Fulham boss as next manager”

It sounds as though it’s edging nearer, fingers crossed

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/slavisa-jokanovic-west-brom-hope-14119938
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 07:30:54 PM
“Slavisa Jokanovic: West Brom hope to name ex-Fulham boss as next manager”

It sounds as though it’s edging nearer, fingers crossed

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/slavisa-jokanovic-west-brom-hope-14119938
It's the hope which kills.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 11, 2019, 07:43:03 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on March 11, 2019, 07:45:31 PM
Didn't Moyes more or less say we were beneath him a couple of sackings ago?

iits amazing what a couple of sacking will do  :D and that's the only joke i'll make of this utter ****show
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on March 11, 2019, 07:46:17 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/

So if all reports are to be believed...we have no plan.

Do i believe all the reports...not so sure!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: section5 on March 11, 2019, 07:47:05 PM
No to Karanka and why wait for Wagner, for him to see what happens... no thankyou. Get Jokanovic in for me. Stand out name so far not really interested in the rest of the names. Hope this happens ASAP. Anyone Itk?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/

Iv'e got a lot of time for Matt Wilson, but that that report has shades of the "wouldn't rule out" phrase.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 07:57:43 PM
Wilson has put out some sh1te today as I've just told him on Twitter. The only useful information in that article is Jokanovic is the number 1 choice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 11, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
I reckon the new manager will be announced & paraded before the game on Wednesday, going to stick my neck out & say Jokanovic will get the gig.

Like to make an entrance do our Oriental friends.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 08:07:25 PM
If we are talking wildcards then I'd go with Lampard or Gerrard. Jokanovic is the man for the job in my opinion.
Haha, like he's going to leave Rangers for us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NathWBA on March 11, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/
that article says we play Swansea tomorrow night, we’re expected to believe he knows what he’s on about
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 08:37:04 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.

I will be amazed if Shan allows the suicidal passing in defence, he will listen to the players and demand they play for the club and themselves. I expect improvement straight away.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 08:43:15 PM
My biggest concern for this group of players would be will they respect Shan enough to listen.

They showed with their efforts under Pulis and Pardew that if they dont want to play, they wont.

I dont think they could be accused of a lack of effort under Moore, i just dont think they were good enough (my opinion) but i wouldnt put it past them to take it easy til the new man comes in, i hope i am wrong though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on March 11, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Wilson has put out some sh1te today as I've just told him on Twitter. The only useful information in that article is Jokanovic is the number 1 choice.
I find the short term bit worrying , he wouldn't write that without something in the back ground.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 08:51:15 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.

The latest rumours, suggest we're considering an interim manager until the end of the season.
I'm not sure what the legal or financial implications are for discussing a contract for a new manager while the encumbent is still in place.

James Shan, was part of DM's team at the end of last season, allegedly, he is tactically very good, & had a major part to play in the last 6 games.
I think now that Jones has gone, we'll see a different approach on Wednesday. wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Pulis style set-up,
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on March 11, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
Not looking good. We are already close to one of the fixtures that we sacked Moore so that we could win. Need new manager in tomorrow for any of this to make sense.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 11, 2019, 09:13:44 PM
IF the express and star are right and we are going short term, why change Moore in the first place? Were things that bad in the club?

Just pay the money Albion, stop messing around and get Jokanovic in. He is the only choice that would make me sort of accept that removing Moore was worth it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
We are really a naughty word about of a club aren't we?
I'm surprised anyone's interested at all.
If the hierarchy know who they want just do the deed and get him
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
My biggest concern for this group of players would be will they respect Shan enough to listen.

They showed with their efforts under Pulis and Pardew that if they dont want to play, they wont.

I dont think they could be accused of a lack of effort under Moore, i just dont think they were good enough (my opinion) but i wouldnt put it past them to take it easy til the new man comes in, i hope i am wrong though.

I think Shan is well respected and if things with appointing a new manager don't go well, I would be content to see him in place till the end of the season. I think the players liked big Dave as a man, but I suspect they knew he was not tactically up to the job, the whistling from the side lines fooled no one.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 09:22:31 PM
Here are the odds for who will fill the The Hawthorns hotset, via SkyBet and Jokanovic odds on!

Slavisa Jokanovic 1/3
David Moyes 5/1
Derek McInnes 10/1
Gary Rowett 10/1
Lee Johnson 10/1
Alex Neil 12/1
Sam Allardyce 12/1
David Wagner 14/1
Aitor Karanka 16/1
Michael Appleton 16/1
Carlos Carvalhal 18/1
Nigel Pearson 18/1
Harry Redknapp 20/1
Mark Hughes 20/1
Alan Pardew 25/1
Garry Monk 25/1
Paul Cook 25/1
Paul Hurst 25/1
Richie Wellens 25/1
Steve Clarke 25/1
Tony Mowbray 25/1
Claude Puel 28/1
Slaven Bilic 28/1
Craig Shakespeare 33/1
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
Shan is rumoured to be a good coach and i hope he does well.

However he is the last man standing with the others being sacked and he is likely to be sacked or demoted when the new man comes in (any manager coming in is in a strong negotiating position due to our desperation to make the premier league and i would imagine is reluctant to have staff picked for him unless it is temporary appointment until the summer)

i do worry there is a big risk that a group who have previous for downing tools will disrespect Shan and do the same which makes it all the more bizarre we are prepared to take that risk for a couple of games when we are seemingly so desperate.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on March 11, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Slavan Bilic?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: telford baggie on March 11, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.
add brunt and kanu and we may start to get somewhere
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
It’s clear now why he wasn’t include in the betting

Zinedine Zidane: Real Madrid reappoint Frenchman to replace Santiago Solari

Oh well, next time ah Zinedine!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 09:41:30 PM
Shan is rumoured to be a good coach and i hope he does well.

However he is the last man standing with the others being sacked and he is likely to be sacked or demoted when the new man comes in (any manager coming in is in a strong negotiating position due to our desperation to make the premier league and i would imagine is reluctant to have staff picked for him unless it is temporary appointment until the summer)

i do worry there is a big risk that a group who have previous for downing tools will disrespect Shan and do the same which makes it all the more bizarre we are prepared to take that risk for a couple of games when we are seemingly so desperate.


Can't see them downing tools, if they're on a £10 million promotion bonus.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 09:45:42 PM
Slavan Bilic?

Not a bad shout. Didn’t we want to speak to him when he got sacked from West Ham?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 09:46:02 PM
i would like to think that too but they downed tools last season and got themselves a 50 per cent pay cut!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 09:46:31 PM

Can't see them downing tools, if they're on a £10 million promotion bonus.

Nor me, I don't think they were in any way downing tools, I think there was lack of belief in the tactics, must have been very awkward for them, liking big Dave, but knowing he was not up the job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on March 11, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
 I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 09:53:51 PM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: section5 on March 11, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.

Its one of them with a caretaker.. if they do well do they then get the job permanently and we end up in a DM situation again when there would have been preffered options becoming available in the summer. Very difficult decision for the powers that be considering how vital it is we now pick up form
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.

I would rather let Shan see out the season than have Harry Redknapp managing  the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 10:04:52 PM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.

The only two people who would jump at the job, Appleton & Mcinnes you don't want.

Jokanovic is clearly the target, but we might be miles apart on contract  terms.

Must admit, I had my doubts, but Matt Wilson seems pretty confident about the interim manager comment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alwaysbilly on March 11, 2019, 10:09:57 PM
We are really a naughty word about of a club aren't we?
I'm surprised anyone's interested at all.
If the hierarchy know who they want just do the deed and get him
? I dont think so.
For all we know Jokanovic's contract could be being drawn up.
Jenkins wont pay compensation, true, but I expect a swift appointment as I do believe Sheff U and Leeds games showed what many have suspected and gave us an answer as to how the play offs (unless we slipped out) would have gone.The board knew then that Darren Moore was out of his depth.
Fickle game this
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:18:39 PM
Not a bad shout. Didn’t we want to speak to him when he got sacked from West Ham?
I have a couple of friends who like the Hammers. They thought Bilic was useless and couldn't wait for him to go.
Void of ideas and plays people out of position, sound familiar?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
So we are looking for someone with Championship experience, preferably success with promotion.
Someone with Premiership experience, can gain the respect of the team and isn't afraid to change things up.
Anyone know what Gary Megson is doing?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
So we are looking for someone with Championship experience, preferably success with promotion.
Someone with Premiership experience, can gain the respect of the team and isn't afraid to change things up.
Anyone know what Gary Megson is doing?
The only man......if we are doing interim
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 11, 2019, 10:35:55 PM
Purely guess work but I’d expect Jokovich is our target and that we have been discussing terms with him but are trying to keep the cost down. His agent has probably quoted us silly money / massive promotion bonus and we’re probably leaking other names to the press to give the impression with have other options to try to get a better deal with him. All part and parcel of the madness of football. By letting it be known we can go short term and then Wagner we give Jokovich agent food for thought, still reckon it’s him we want. This board room stuff is always smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
I had to search Shan and West Bromwich Albion..At least now I understand that hew he is now first team coach...Please everybody bring us all up to date.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 11, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
There is an offer on the table for Jokanovic and he was almost certainly sounded out before Moore's departure. However there is some doubt as to whether or not he will accept. The individual concerned might best described as high maintenance so this was never going to be easy to land in a short timeframe. We have to have a back up plan.

Frankly by the time whoever we appoint has bedded in there will be barely 4 or 5 games to go plus if we are lucky the play-offs. The timing sucks the decision sucks Jokanovic is fine but not exactly exceptional, I actually don't care whether he takes it or not.

As for an interim appointment all our Head Coach appointments are f*cking interim. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: swad35 on March 11, 2019, 10:43:45 PM
What we need is a short term manager, who knows the club, can rebuild some pride, win the majority of the last games of the season and doesn’t have an ego.....anyone know what big Dave is doing.....oh yeah.

Seriously hope it’s the Serb. Two promotions from playoffs sounds promising.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:44:24 PM
I'm just going to say it....Jokanovich will be a bad choice. I base it on the fact he has not shown any long term commitment at any team he has coached. If the club decide to appoint him on an interim basis for the rest of the season we will be in this sh*t show of a merry-go-round of managers again in the summer.
I would not be convinced he wants to be here any longer than that. I'm sure a huge cash incentive to get us promoted would be his only attraction.
We have to look at people who WANT TO BE HERE and not just a quick fix.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 11, 2019, 10:45:21 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

I think you will be wrong on both fronts
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
I'm just going to say it....Jokanovich will be a bad choice. I base it on the fact he has not shown any long term commitment at any team he has coached. If the club decide to appoint him on an interim basis for the rest of the season we will be in this sh*t show of a merry-go-round of managers again in the summer.
I would not be convinced he wants to be here any longer than that. I'm sure a huge cash incentive to get us promoted would be his only attraction.
We have to look at people who WANT TO BE HERE and not just a quick fix.


To say you've misread the situation would be an understatement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lindenbaggie on March 11, 2019, 11:02:15 PM
I don't think anything will be sealed until Jenkins arrives back from China.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:13:57 PM

To say you've misread the situation would be an understatement.
What exactly is "the situation"?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 11:16:41 PM
What exactly is "the situation"?


In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:20:50 PM

In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Will he be an appointment at all though, that's the question.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 11:31:24 PM

In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
I think you may have missed my point... The club may think they have a long term plan with Jokanovic but based on his record he may be a a short term appointment as he likes to move on at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2019, 02:42:17 AM
I don't think anything will be sealed until Jenkins arrives back from China.

And knowing our penny pinching ways he's probably on a container ship and will get here in about 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GREGMT on March 12, 2019, 08:22:29 AM
The longer this drags on then the more I think Gary Megson would be perfect until the end of the season.

We are currently lacking all his traits: discipline, organisation, leadership, mental toughness, etc. And as ll the traits thaws t Leeds, Norwich, Sheff Utd have.  He also has the benefit of working here before and knows club culture.

He would certainly be a farc better option than Moyes or Appleton.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 12, 2019, 08:30:06 AM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.

Indeed they did, they also got promoted with a negative goal difference so were always likely to struggle scoring at a higher level; they even had a worse goal difference than us last season. His win percentages with Dortmund's second team (34.8) and Huddersfield (33.1) are low too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mini gaardsoe on March 12, 2019, 08:31:31 AM
The longer this drags on then the more I think Gary Megson would be perfect until the end of the season.

We are currently lacking all his traits: discipline, organisation, leadership, mental toughness, etc. And as ll the traits thaws t Leeds, Norwich, Sheff Utd have.  He also has the benefit of working here before and knows club culture.

He would certainly be a farc better option than Moyes or Appleton.



Not sure Jenkins and Megson get on, so I’d say that’s unlikely
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 12, 2019, 08:40:41 AM
The longer this drags on


It's been less than three days since we sacked Darren and one of those days was a Sunday so I don't think you can justifiably call it dragging on at the moment.

There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about and what media / journalists are not privy to. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone is announced before we take the field tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kc56wba on March 12, 2019, 08:47:03 AM
Not sure Jenkins and Megson get on, so I’d say that’s unlikely

Megson could fall out with his own shadow. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 12, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Pardew anyone? 40/1 on Betfair.


 ;D Attendance vs Swansea - 1,000 (all away fans).  :P
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 12, 2019, 08:55:00 AM
Realistically, it will take a new man at least a month to implement even his most basic of ideas. I think we need to see this season as a free hit now as others have said. If we get the play offs (we should) great, if we go up - (maybe great in that at least we can rebuild with more money although we're likely to come straight back down), if we don't go up (most likely), the new man will have had a few months to assess what needs to be done and hit the ground running in the summer. This pre-summer planning must begin now and is arguably more important than our remaining league matches this season (except play off matches) as this summer will define our next few years (lots of ins and outs).

I still think it'll be Yokanovic, on a 3 year contract announced by tomorrow evening. The other names I think are just to ensure we have a plan b and that Yokanovic doesn't think he's in such a strong position (which he probably is btw).
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
I think you may have missed my point... The club may think they have a long term plan with Jokanovic but based on his record he may be a a short term appointment as he likes to move on at the drop of a hat.

IMO, that's the problem, can see issues with the length of his contract. We would want a fairly short term ( wait & see) contract, he would want something a lot longer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
I just can't make sense of the timing of any of this. The only way it would have made sense would have been if someone was walking in the front door as Moore was walking out the back. As it is we are just on our merry-go-round of cheap, unemployed options. The board say they demand promotion, yet are unwilling to pay for it. As usual it's all backside about face.

I've asked this question a few times, does anyone have a clue what the new manager's remit is?

If it's simply taking the reigns until the end of the season, then why not leave Moore in charge?
If it's consolidate play offs then again, why not leave Moore in charge?
If it's promotion, then why are we still dithering about who it should be, with 2 games of 10 coming up in the next 4 days and will he be sacked if he fails?
If it's next season then have we written this one off?

Regardless of whether you think Moore was doing a good job, I can't see how the timing does anything but damage our chances this season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 09:08:50 AM

It's been less than three days since we sacked Darren and one of those days was a Sunday so I don't think you can justifiably call it dragging on at the moment.

There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about and what media / journalists are not privy to. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone is announced before we take the field tomorrow night.

I'd say they had dropped a brick.
They panicked, as usual, and got rid of the manager without having a back up plan ready to put into operation.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 12, 2019, 09:09:08 AM
I think we have all missed the point. The club have offered weird Al Yankovic a 3year deal. Think Jenkins has had a google failure. At least the 1/2 time entertainment  will improve. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 12, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
I think we have all missed the point. The club have offered weird Al Yankovic a 3year deal. Think Jenkins has had a google failure. At least the 1/2 time entertainment  will improve. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


Are you and Deidre still seeing the marriage guidance counsellor?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 12, 2019, 09:34:06 AM
In all honesty, I am not too worried by the fact that we got rid of Darren before the Swansea game and may not have a replacement in by that game, it was hardly like we were looking like winning a home game under Darren any time soon so at best it is an extra point he may have gained us from the match.

The weekend becomes infinitely more important, however.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mikkyk on March 12, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
In all honesty, I am not too worried by the fact that we got rid of Darren before the Swansea game and may not have a replacement in by that game, it was hardly like we were looking like winning a home game under Darren any time soon so at best it is an extra point he may have gained us from the match.

The weekend becomes infinitely more important, however.

I disagree, with such few games left this season I think it was imperative that if we sacked Darren we needed someone in pronto.

I would rather have had Darren in for the weekend over a caretaker(s). I hope to be wrong but I struggle to see how our bunch of hard to be motivated players will be fired up by a caretaker.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 12, 2019, 09:56:52 AM

Are you and Deidre still seeing the marriage guidance counsellor?
Her behavior did seem at the time to me, who after all was there to see, to be a little odd, therefore we are still eagerly attending the sessions
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
I disagree, with such few games left this season I think it was imperative that if we sacked Darren we needed someone in pronto.

I would rather have had Darren in for the weekend over a caretaker(s). I hope to be wrong but I struggle to see how our bunch of hard to be motivated players will be fired up by a caretaker.

I know from several people who work in and around the club that Shan is well respected by everyone at WBA, I cant see the players downing tools for him to be honest.

After hearing all the stuff come out about Jones, I imagine it would have been him the players have become fed up with.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
I know from several people who work in and around the club that Shan is well respected by everyone at WBA, I cant see the players downing tools for him to be honest.

After hearing all the stuff come out about Jones, I imagine it would have been him the players have become fed up with.
If it's all true about Jones, then he's off in the summer anyway, so why not just get rid of him?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: barnestormer on March 12, 2019, 11:18:23 AM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 11:29:36 AM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though

Offer him the money subject to us getting promoted.
If he gets us promoted he gets the money if he doesn't he gets 8 weeks wages and a good-bye.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: barnestormer on March 12, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Offer him the money subject to us getting promoted.
If he gets us promoted he gets the money if he doesn't he gets 8 weeks wages and a good-bye.
Other reports suggest just like Wagner jokanovic is on gardening leave from Fulham which begs the question to me why we didn't do the same with Pulis
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 12:16:24 PM


Well this is turning into an embarrassing decision the longer it we go without announcing a manager. I know someone else posted that the decision to sack Moore was made prior to the Ipswich game. Is it possible Moore and the players got wind of this before it he was going to be officially told?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hayward1984 on March 12, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Jenkins isn't even in the country.

Once he's back it'll move quickly one way or another.

All this rubbish about "they don't have a plan" is just that. Rubbish.

Fair enough they might not make a good decision but it won't be a slow one this time and I'd give them at least 4 or 5 days to make such an important decision before crying about it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though

Given the prize and the money WBA will receive from the EPL, that seems like a bargain to me.... but will we go for it????

This is the Albion, so I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
Given the prize and the money WBA will receive from the EPL, that seems like a bargain to me.... but will we go for it????

This is the Albion, so I am not holding my breath.

For a mid table EPL manager, £2 million a year is about right, Pulis was allegedly on about £1.7 million.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 12:40:35 PM
If it's all true about Jones, then he's off in the summer anyway, so why not just get rid of him?

I must be missing something here.... Jones  has gone!!  :'(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
Jenkins isn't even in the country.

Once he's back it'll move quickly one way or another.

All this rubbish about "they don't have a plan" is just that. Rubbish.

Fair enough they might not make a good decision but it won't be a slow one this time and I'd give them at least 4 or 5 days to make such an important decision before crying about it.
We play 2 games in the next 5 days, which is 20% of what we have remaining. The decision has already taken too long.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
I must be missing something here.... Jones  has gone!!  :'(
As in, just get rid of Jones and keep Moore.  ::)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 12:53:27 PM
We play 2 games in the next 5 days, which is 20% of what we have remaining. The decision has already taken too long.

I just removed my post that said exactly the same. That's before the manager has even got his feet under the table and effected any useful change with no backroom staff  :o

I'm starting to question if Moore was let go for giving the board both barrels about why we are in this predicament.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
I just removed my post that said exactly the same. That's before the manager has even got his feet under the table and effected any useful change with no backroom staff  :o

I'm starting to question if Moore was let go for giving the board both barrels about why we are in this predicament.


At the end of the day we're in this predicament because Moore lost the two biggest games of the season in the same week, when a draw in both would have kept us well in touch with an easier run in. Premature or not, it's hard to argue that the last 3 weeks hasn't totally derailed our season, with little sign of on field improvement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
As in, just get rid of Jones and keep Moore.  ::)

Apologies, I said I must be missing something!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 12, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
I can't believe we sacked another manager without a plan.

We saw how that has worked out before, and still did it.

We should have had somebody lined up and a deal done before giving Moore the chop, otherwise it was pointless doing it at that point.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 01:01:55 PM

At the end of the day we're in this predicament because Moore lost the two biggest games of the season in the same week, when a draw in both would have kept us well in touch with an easier run in. Premature or not, it's hard to argue that the last 3 weeks hasn't totally derailed our season, with little sign of on field improvement.

Agreed those were massive games and it has cost us automatic, however I don't think we will make play offs now due to the decision to sack him with 10 games to go.

Sheff utd was a single goal, Leeds had a point to prove after we routed them.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 12, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Call me mad but i've just had £20 on Bilic to be next manager, 28-1 just screamed value for money bet to me!!  :-\
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hayward1984 on March 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
Alternatively they've let him go knowing that the players will get a kick up the backside from it and it's likely a new manager can be in place with a couple of weeks to drill them in his tactics before Blues at the end of the month.

It's not so odd to imagine we might do alright in the next couple of games as players (the ones that can be arsed) show they are up for it before a new man comes in and drops them.

Shan isn't massively experienced but it's unlikely he'll be asking to them anything more then what they know from years of being professional footballers.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2019, 01:53:06 PM
Who ever gets job and what ever division we are in the majority of if not all of senior players need to be moved on. In the Pulisball years once they got to 40 points they were on the beech and season he got sacked they couldn't count. All these players seem to be good at is getting coaches sacked club needs overhaul of playing staff.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 12, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

List of 40 players signed by Jovanovic. Baring in mind he had 100 mil to spend last summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 12, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Bored waiting for news now, so just playing devil's advocate, if the reason to sack Moore was to get some momentum for the playoffs instead of getting more and more turgid and tentative and just slipping away, maybe we don't need a new guy in, maybe we just tell Jimmy to pick the best 442 in their natural positions and send them out there to go for it.  Our chances of promotion must be around 25% now, can't be much a new guy could do anyway, then we'd have the summer to get the right man in whatever division we're in.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 12, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

List of 40 players signed by Jovanovic. Baring in mind he had 100 mil to spend last summer.

How many signed by him ? There was a falling out at Fulham when a friend of the owners son was responsible for players, some sort of moneyball idea.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 02:33:37 PM
Call me mad but i've just had £20 on Bilic to be next manager, 28-1 just screamed value for money bet to me!!  :-\

Your mad!
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 12, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
Please, please, please not Moyes!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
Sky Sports reporter on twitter saying that Alex Neil is a strong option.

I just find it bizarre that we have let DM go without really having anyone close to coming in to replace him.

Would have expected to see the new manager watching from the stands tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 12, 2019, 03:49:02 PM
If we look at how we've handled head coach appointments over the past few years, does anything surprise anyone anymore when it comes to us? We just seem to lurch from one short term decision to the next........hoping it will work. Why should the next decision be any different?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 12, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
plan? what plan? who is in charge of this fiasco?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2019, 03:58:51 PM
"Preston North End manager Alex Neil is a strong contender to fill the managerial vacancy at West Bromwich Albion, Sky Sports News understands.

https://t.co/4GBi9X8f26 (https://t.co/4GBi9X8f26)'

Anyone who's been keeping an eye on Preston over recent times have any thoughts on that? Could be smoke and mirrors to try and get Jovanivic to decrease his demands, or could be our plan B.


Dour/Dire


No thanks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 12, 2019, 04:05:42 PM
plan? what plan? who is in charge of this fiasco?
Totally agree as I previously said the decision was probably correct the timing certainly wasn't then to find Jenkins is still in China?? Surely at some point a CEO will want to interview any new management with time of the essence this is just plain barmy and non sensical. Can you still charge folk with dereliction of duty !!



Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: jim68 on March 12, 2019, 04:32:10 PM
Please, please, please not Moyes!  >:( >:( >:(
i hope not also nor redknapp :'(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mikehy on March 12, 2019, 05:04:42 PM
i hope not also nor redknapp :'(
and definitely not allardyce or hughes
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
I'd consider Carlos Carvahal on short term basis.

He has experience of the championship and imo was very unlucky to get the boot at sw when they had lots of injuries.

He managed to get a new manager bounce initially at a doomed Swansea before their inherent problems resurfaced and got them relegated.


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Post by: frazzle on March 12, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Should have the new manager in by now. This is a joke. How long did it take Leicester to sack Puel and appoint and get Rogers out of celtic.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 12, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Alex Neil looks interesting. Young at 37, Scottish, they make good no nonsense managers, played for lower league clubs, these make the best managers if you look at the top ones, and his management record is pretty decent.
I wouldn't be disappointed with him, but we never buy a managers contract out do we? So it will probably be Gary Hackett.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on March 12, 2019, 07:37:17 PM
AN or SJ for me. Will probably be someone else cheap and available instead though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 12, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
Why am I feeling we’re heading for another Alan Irvine esq appointment  :(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on March 12, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
Just seen on sky news that their sources are saying that Alex Neil is a very strong possiblity.  Then the next statement says , West Brom yet to make contact with Alex Neil.

It seems that this will go on longer than Brexit !!!

Bad planning by Albion. It looks like we will have an unknown temporary manager in charge for the next 2 games. Lose them both and we could be facing a massive fight just to stop in the play offs.

More important its 2 less games the new manager will have to get us promoted. 
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Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Wouldn’t be suprised if the Alex Neil story isn’t just made up by sky sports in under to get some betting going for it to then be dismissed. Tend to happen quite a lot with them.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 12, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed with him, but we never buy a managers contract out do we? So it will probably be Gary Hackett.
Stourbridge would want hefty compo ...............!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 12, 2019, 10:04:00 PM
Keep waiting. This is the Albion management (yawn), we are talking about. So ponderous, procrastination is quicker.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 12, 2019, 10:17:26 PM

Dour/Dire


No thanks.
Not at all. Good man manager. Good motivator. Over achieved in all 3 of his managerial posts. Nevertheless, would be very surprised if it happens.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 10:46:29 PM
Let’s see what tomorrow brings and let’s remember it’s only 3 days since Darren Moore was fired.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 13, 2019, 12:39:09 AM
I agreed with DM removal after watching that Ipswich, performance but, now I am thinking it was a knee jerk reaction on my part because I honestly thought they would have someone lined up.

I don't believe we should give SJ a long term contract on £2m a year. If he has the hunger then he should take less on the basis he gets a big bonus on promotion.

I am glad that An is finally coming to the fore as I have admired the job he did at Norwich and now at Preston, with very limited resources at the latter.

He is still relatively young and hungry too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: chipperclark on March 13, 2019, 04:26:24 AM
 :D 2 mill for SJ is peanuts lets pay it and get on with it. Most of our players are on more than this FFS!!!!!!

Can't we just get the right man and give him an 18 month contract....all this Fafffing around is pointless.

We need someone in now for our last 10 games, so we don't slide down to mid-table.

WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CLUB AND FAN BASE. Surely they had their man picked before Big Dave got the flick?? OMG
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2019, 06:44:03 AM
:D 2 mill for SJ is peanuts lets pay it and get on with it. Most of our players are on more than this FFS!!!!!!

Can't we just get the right man and give him an 18 month contract....all this Fafffing around is pointless.

We need someone in now for our last 10 games, so we don't slide down to mid-table.

WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CLUB AND FAN BASE. Surely they had their man picked before Big Dave got the flick?? OMG


1. None of our players earn this.

2. If we don't get promoted we cannot afford this next season and certainly not the year after. Even if we sack him don't forget we end up paying the contract up.

3. While we might have sounded him out but we cannot formally offer him the job hence the current impasse

4. The only way we could pay him anywhere near this is heavily load the payments as a promotion bonus but apparently he wants a hefty bonus in addition to this ridiculous base in the context of the Championship.

5. I told you this guy is was high maintaince and he is screwing us over before he has even joined

6. He is not that good for this money to work you have to pretty much gaurentee that he will get us promoted during the lifetime of the contract which of course is not possible.

7. Time to move on.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 06:51:38 AM
Is Mourinho fixeed up yet?  ???
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Post by: sammyg on March 13, 2019, 06:56:07 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 13, 2019, 08:04:43 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o

I would take him, done very well at Preston
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Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2019, 08:46:45 AM
Perhaps Chris Brunt could be on the interview panel so he can tell the new bloke what style of football to play. Or, if he's so savvy, just give him the hecking job.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o

Think it would be too complicated to get him in at this stage of the season. Think Preston are within touching distance of the playoffs, so they would be more than happy to kick up a fuss to keep him. The only way that one happens is if Neil pushed for the move.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 08:51:26 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 13, 2019, 08:55:22 AM
Perhaps Chris Brunt could be on the interview panel so he can tell the new bloke what style of football to play. Or, if he's so savvy, just give him the hecking job.

No that never ever works  ;)
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 13, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Think it would be too complicated to get him in at this stage of the season. Think Preston are within touching distance of the playoffs, so they would be more than happy to kick up a fuss to keep him. The only way that one happens is if Neil pushed for the move.

Don't see why he'd leave a club on the way up for one on the way down.

Any manager/ coach worth his salt would look at our track record for short termism and steer well clear. Is Jenkins is Theresa May in disguise?
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 13, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.

I don't really see how we can play any better than we have tried to at times this season. We have tried all season to play out from the back, beat the press and get the attackers against the defenders, that is a similar style to Jokanovic. He would only be able to implent it better if he was given money to bring in his own players, which we have already seen this summer, isn't likely to happen (the squad is full of loanees and freebies).


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Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2019, 09:08:38 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.
Same.
I've looked forward to every game this season, really got my mojo back after Pulis. Even though we were pants a lot of the time, I always felt we could win a game and, even when we didn't, I felt we could win the next one.
As it is now, I just can't get up for tonight's game. It just feels like we are in limbo again.
There's no sign of a new manager or any obvious signs of a plan from the board.
Whoever it is will have to do it with no money.

Biggest worry for me, especially hearing Brunt's comments, is that the board accept that we have footballers who, by their own admission it would seem, cannot play football, so we pick someone who will go back to a Pulis style of play.
If this happens, I really am done.
For all Moore's failings, and I agree there were many, what he gave me was hope! Hope that we could go back to being a team known for playing football, with players who get you off your seat, exciting to watch, true entertainment. No-one can argue that, at times, especially when Barnes was around, we have had that this season, albeit too fleetingly.
Time will tell if the next incumbent will pick up the baton and carry us forward in this mould but, I fear, the board will get it wrong and take another 2 steps back.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 09:11:19 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise

I still think we will end up with a temporary manager and look to get a permanent manager in the summer. I have a feeling the club want Wagner, he wouldn't be my choice personally.

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Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise

Feigning disinterest is part of the skilled negotiators tool kit and I’m sure we’ve all employed it at some point when buying and selling. Well, I hope it is a strategy on his part.  :D
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
The obvious solution and before any terms, contract, etc are discussed with potential managers is get them to the training ground.

Have a day where any potential managers present their ideas to the players (maybe spread it over 2 days, dont want to risk confusing the lads with too many ideas)

Then get brunty and the lads to sit down and discuss which one they most likely will fancy trying and playing for (most likely, there are no guarentees, the lads may not fancy it after a bit the poor things).

Then go to the board and say they have decided its (name of manager) the one they have chosen to be their manager and can the board sort it out.
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Post by: NJS on March 13, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
I get the feeling that Jokanovic is the type of person that will make increasing demands from the board in terms of salary, players etc.  If he wants £2M in the Championship what would be his demands if we managed to get in the Premiere League?

Also given the very strange player recruitment we suffered under Pardew + Hammond,  I would prefer that there was some independence/distance in the relationship  between manager and director of football.

I'm doubtful we'll get Neil but I'd prefer him to SJ.  Don't rule out a surprise - and not a nice one.

I have a left field idea that our performances dropped off when Jones lost interest after being approached by Luton and Big Dave was left to manage on his own.  Still: there was  no point in sacking him if they hadn't got anybody else lined up.  It's a farce but we're not the only club to go through managers like cycle inner tubes.
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Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2019, 10:14:56 AM
My £20 on Bilic at 28-1 is still in with a shout  ;D
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Post by: eaststandbaggie on March 13, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.


The first time in supporting the baggies since the early 60s like Albion 79 I could not give 2 f—ks Who the next manger is.Its a horrible feeling.
But who ever he is will be gone is 12 months
The club stinks at the moment.From a Chinese owner who know f—ck all about football not interested in learning.Is upset Because is nice little earner has gone down the tubes and set in panic moves to rectify.As soon as the reason is over he will look to get another buyer.
Then the players in their comfortable world where they earn more in a week and nurses do in a years.Never busting a gut ambling their way on the field on the bench very breaking into a sweat.
Wearing the same shirt as Bomber,Cyrille,The King,John Kaye,Laurie
I am this brigade of pound shop fusiliers are not fit to wear the shirt that was worn the illustrious players of the past.
They are to busy planning of how to get rid of the next manager if we wants to play in a different way and they do not like it.
No something died inside players and management have stolen my baggies
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 10:21:50 AM
My £20 on Bilic at 28-1 is still in with a shout  ;D

I can see this stretching out until at least the end of the early bird season ticket offer finishes with a few more 'celebrity' names added in for good measure
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2019, 11:03:04 AM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?
yes, I said this earlier, didn't he basically sneer and roll his eyes at the thought of lil old WBA after the heights of Man Utd?
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 11:06:40 AM
I said earlier in the thread I have a feeling it will be Moyes if they can convince him.

He'll have it till end of the season, if he gets us promoted then great, if he doesn't he walks away and then we can get Wagner/Neil or whoever in the summer.

Carvahal could be a good shout too, not that I would have him, but can see why the board may consider him, experience in the championship and the playoffs etc.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
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Post by: timdon on March 13, 2019, 11:39:59 AM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
As in alias Smith and Jones?
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
As in alias Smith and Jones?
Pete Duel's dead, but maybe Ben Murphy is available?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 13, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
Whoever is being courted for the job needs to be given a clear indication of transfer budgets which will be available, for the Premier League, and for the Championship.
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Post by: baggieboyfred on March 13, 2019, 12:12:40 PM
very concerned to hear that the board had no plan B and have given james Shan the opportunity to get a couple of results and keep the caretaker/managers job to the end of the season , what happens if he makes it to Wembley, will they offer him the job full time irrespective of whether we go up or not.
one thing for dead certain is that unless he alters the tactics and gets 6 points , sacking Big Dave would seem a pointless exercise, to be honest  I would rather have took our chances with Big Dave , till the end of the season  and get a new guy in  close season , who can get working on the wholesale changes we will need to make to get into and stay in the premiership
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2019, 12:41:00 PM
I suspect that the proven candidates being mentioned in connection with the vacancy, will all expect to be remunerated in the region of £2m.

Would David Moyes, ex Everton, Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham United come for less?

Would Sam Allardyce, ex Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle United, Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Sunderland, England, Crystal Palace, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, come for less?

The list of candidates with reasonable CV's who would want £2+ goes on, including Jokanovic

That leaves us with those desperate for the job and with not such impressive CV's

1. Neil (may not be desperate)
2. McInnes
3. Rowett
4. Carvalhal
5. Hughes
6. Appleton

The school of thought that Jokanovic is expensive and would be paid more than players is flawed in my view. I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it, for tax purposes, players have a book value, which is written down over time and allows us a tax benefit on an loss of value.

So, surely a players value to the club including wages would be a loss more than £2m a year to the club and continues to diminish during his employment with us. I understand we can sell the asset and realise a cash value, which we would be taxed on and may or may offset loses, but if his market value diminishes for whatever reason, we could have lost more heavily than taking a punt on Jokanovic.

The above probably doesn't make sense to a qualified accountant, but I hope I've explained a point of view, which could also be flawed regarding the loss incurred by players as well as a Head Coach that I think, from my logic, would be less than a player. if we have an accountant on the forum, perhaps he / she would comment on my theory?
 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
Far from it tipton throstle, i dont moan or groan more than any other fan, it would seem some other fans agree too, you seem very quick to try and shut down anybody who has a different view to you which could be labelled, pathetic?

You dont have to agree with my opinion, i dont really care either way, but our fans and board keep requesting changes, then when they dont work perfectly want managers sacked every six months (not all fans)

This isnt based in darren moores sacking alone, we have sacked 3 managers in 18 months, 4 of our last 5 managers have been sacked in less than 8 months (they arent opinions they are facts)

The evidence shows that we either are poor at appointing managers which doesnt inspire confidence for the next person or when we do appoint them we get rid of them at the first sign of trouble, so on that basis, no i dont care who the manager is because there is a 80% chance they wont be here by xmas anyway judging by our track record.

As stated elsewhere, should we give a manager a three and half year deal and its made clear players do it their way or the players go then i would be a lot more interested, but again based on past evidence that is unlikely to happen and its the manager likely to be going, not the players.

If jimmy shan remains in charge (and i wish him well as a loyal albion servant) the first team coach in the supposed failings of moore, it clearly shows that as a club there is no plan in place, its scattergun, hope something sticks and so i have little faith whoever does get the job will be given time to have any real impact anyway.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 13, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Cut the pathetic comments stuff please folks
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Post by: walter baggie on March 13, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?

Carvalhal did well at Swansea had a bit of a bounce ,but still got relegated ,but did well in this division with shelf wed !!
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Post by: bangeminbob on March 13, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
There’s only one in my opinion Jose moriniho see how good a manger he is with this lot.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 13, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
Anyone holding their breath for an announcement prior to the game later?.....Me neither!!  :D
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 13, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
Has sacking Moore in the fashion we did put off new managers? Who would want to take the poised chalice now we are nobodies preferred team to win the playoffs. According to some, we have the best team in the league so it should be dead easy to get automatic or win the playoffs especially as we have a decent run in, the susurelyny half competent manager can do this?

(Some of this may be tongue in cheek, but my point stands why are they not beating our door down)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 13, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
I struggle to see the argument that jones was the issue, at the end of the day Moore was number 1, only he can allow his number 2 to have such an influence.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
It may be we are holding out for Wagner in the summer but i am not sure he would join even if we were in the premier league.

His stock is pretty high at the moment, he was linked with the Leicester job not long ago, he did miracles at Huddersfield and probably left at the right time but even if we did go up and he did join, he would be faced with a similar type job he had at Huddersfield so i am not really sure its a career progression for him.

I would be surprised if Moyes was interested, if it had been after his time at Sunderland he may of been interested it but he rebuilt his reputation at West Ham and again i would imagine could probably target better jobs than a promotion chasing club or newly promoted club (a brighton or burnley type job, not necessarily them but clubs of their standing) I would put Allardyce in the same catergory too.

We probably do need somebody who has a track record of decent football and if they come in now or if we dont go up, somebody who has a promotion pedigree, it may buy them more time than previous managers and if that is the case Jokanovic seems the standout realistic one but he doesnt stay at clubs long, often of his own accord.

The big worry is we go for a name who has struggled at numerous clubs, ie - Mark Hughes.
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Post by: eaststandbaggie on March 13, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
What have they done to my beautiful Baggies
Sack the manager without a clue who to replace him with.
Put Shan in charge for the rest of the season.
We are the laughing stock of the league again.
Bet the Dogheads are loving this
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Post by: staticboy on March 13, 2019, 04:28:09 PM
Is he the right man for our Precious?
What would Bilbo Baggies-ins think?
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 13, 2019, 04:35:32 PM
I disagreed with Moore’s sacking entirely. The only way the board could justify it was to have a replacement ready to go. The whole thing is baffling but then again it’s West Bromwich Albion. The reason given my Moore’s sacking (or implied reason) was we have to go up this season due to finances. Why take this time to mess around.
I don’t have much hope the people running the club know what they are doing. Before Moore we have had Pardew, Pulis, Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine...
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 13, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 13, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season

I hope you're not a Clairvoyant.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 13, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season

I can't. I get the distinct impression that Big Sam hates us!
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Post by: Mo on March 13, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
Anyone holding their breath for an announcement prior to the game later?.....Me neither!!  :D

A cynic might say they will do it after to avoid any negativity in the stadium . Especially if it’s as underwhelming as an Appleton for example .
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Post by: baggyman68 on March 13, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Has Jakanovich turned us down then?
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Post by: Baggies on March 13, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
What is becoming clear is that the club had no plan in place when they sacked Moore. They could see the risk of us not getting promotion, they know we have made no steps towards long term planning, they could see that (despite the pre January results) we had rarely looked good this season or dominated a game and they could see the direction we were going in results wise, but they still haven't had a plan bubbling under the surface. Had we made a quick move for somebody, promotion may well have been a possibility, but the sideshiw we are seeing now sums us up.

This just shows how deep the clubs problems are.

There are a number of other clubs fans (and journalists) whi have said they really hope we get relegated from the championship next summer, and while i really want us to prove them wrong and show we made the right call, it's starting to look like we are a bit of a Sunderland. Worrying.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 13, 2019, 07:38:50 PM
Has Jakanovich turned us down then?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-manager-latest-slavisa-14130878.amp
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 13, 2019, 07:48:13 PM
What is becoming clear is that the club had no plan in place when they sacked Moore. They could see the risk of us not getting promotion, they know we have made no steps towards long term planning, they could see that (despite the pre January results) we had rarely looked good this season or dominated a game and they could see the direction we were going in results wise, but they still haven't had a plan bubbling under the surface. Had we made a quick move for somebody, promotion may well have been a possibility, but the sideshiw we are seeing now sums us up.

This just shows how deep the clubs problems are.

There are a number of other clubs fans (and journalists) whi have said they really hope we get relegated from the championship next summer, and while i really want us to prove them wrong and show we made the right call, it's starting to look like we are a bit of a Sunderland. Worrying.

We are nothing like a Sunderland.  They went down with around £200m
of debt
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 13, 2019, 07:50:22 PM
If we haven't approached him yet and he is apparently on the wanted list, it suggests we are no further forward than still thinking about who we want. If so, this is crazy! There is a chance we could do well under Shan, but it is a major gamble putting him in for crucial matches. It looks like we wont be sorting it out until the international break.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:30:55 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.


The club would get absolute pelters, especially if we don't win the play offs.


Still nothing would surprise me regards Jenkins.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 13, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.

If he wins on Saturday, I'm not sure there is much point in appointing a new manager, we may as well play to our strengths for the rest of the season, where ever that takes us.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:39:53 PM
I think James Shan showed himself to be tactically astute this evening.  Whereas DM was strictly 4-3-3 and the top 3 stayed upfield all game, JRod and Murphy definitely played deeper for large chunks of the game tonight when we were defending.
 
And he had the good sense to swap Gayle into a central role.

He also made an noticeable tactical adjustment at half time - it was obvious during the first half the Swansea were creating havoc in the space between our midfield and back four. But that threat almost completely disappeared in the second half, due to Shan adjusting where Brunt/Livermore spent most of their time.
Well done James Shan. You played the proverbial blinder this evening.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Go and get Jokanovic. Make him the highest paid person in the club if we have too. What role is more important than the managers position? Proven track record at this level, fantastic style of football. Absolute no brainer.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:04:24 PM
Go and get Jokanovic. Make him the highest paid person in the club if we have too. What role is more important than the managers position? Proven track record at this level, fantastic style of football. Absolute no brainer.


Amen to that Scoob.  ;D
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 13, 2019, 11:06:47 PM
If we haven't approached him yet and he is apparently on the wanted list, it suggests we are no further forward than still thinking about who we want. If so, this is crazy! There is a chance we could do well under Shan, but it is a major gamble putting him in for crucial matches. It looks like we wont be sorting it out until the international break.

I think I read we were speaking to his agent so technically I suppose you could argue we haven't formally approached him?

Someone said tonight we have been put off by him being paid by Fulham still and would owe them compensation and the same with Wagner. Someone didn't do their research...
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:08:49 PM

Amen to that Scoob.  ;D

There was a five live piece back a long time ago when Rafa Benitez was on silly money in The Championship. But how they said surely it makes more sense to pay big money to the person in the most pivotal role. Especially given the riches up for grabs with regards to promotion. Think he was about the 5th highest paid in England at the time.

Not saying do that with Jokanovic, but if he wants £40k a week give it too. Barry's on God knows what!
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 13, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Mears, Hoolahan and Myhill between them will be almost on that, and look at their contribution...
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 13, 2019, 11:28:21 PM
No formal talks with Jokanovic as of yet, believed he is waiting to hear if we are interested and he would be happy to listen

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-manager-latest-slavisa-14130878

Get the bloke in.
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Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:36:12 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.

I'm sorry but that will be the case with whoever we appoint. 40k was a ball park figure to be honest. I'd genuinely happily put him on parity with our highest earning player though.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:40:03 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.


Can't agree Stan, I'm yet to hear one other name I'd be satisfied with while SJ is available.
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Post by: geoff on March 14, 2019, 12:49:35 AM
Like ive said before our next manager will need to rebuild our squad & there in lies the hard choice
1/ A manager who with experience will demand the funds to rebuild it with quality signings or
2/ A manager to build a team on youth at a lower cost in transfer fee's & wages.
I think our owners want us back in the prem ASP but i cant see them funding that squad.
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Post by: Blowee on March 14, 2019, 06:52:43 AM
Like ive said before our next manager will need to rebuild our squad & there in lies the hard choice
1/ A manager who with experience will demand the funds to rebuild it with quality signings or
2/ A manager to build a team on youth at a lower cost in transfer fee's & wages.
I think our owners want us back in the prem ASP but i cant see them funding that squad.
Agreed but my fear is that they will be happy with a short term solution of just get promoted regardless of what happens next season. As long as we get the money and parachute payments following relegation then there's no need for a long term plan.
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Post by: Uncle Peter on March 14, 2019, 07:01:01 AM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.
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Post by: BB74 on March 14, 2019, 07:30:57 AM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.

Just said the same to my brother. Then 12 months times we would be in the same position.
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Post by: Uncle Peter on March 14, 2019, 07:35:43 AM
Just said the same to my brother. Then 12 months times we would be in the same position.

It's sad what happened to him, I said at the time he wasn't the right person for the job - picking up the pieces after Pardew/Pulis, giving the guys a bounce is going to be much easier as there's zero pressure. When it's your team/players (to a certain extent) it's not going to be anywhere near as easy.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 14, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Reading today's press releases and according to some we haven't even been in touch with Jokanovic
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Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
Reading today's press releases and according to some we haven't even been in touch with Jokanovic


I don't think the press know anything to be honest.
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Post by: BB74 on March 14, 2019, 12:05:41 PM
I always used to see the search for a new Manager as exciting and somewhat the start of a new dawn.

Each search has been an anti-climax now for me since the appointment of Steve Clarke.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 14, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.
The thing is though that people don't get to make the decision do they?
We have to rely on a select and small group that many of us have very little confidence in to make the right decision and not be swayed by sentiment but who we all suspect will be swayed by the bottom line on a spread sheet!
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Post by: robbo_wba on March 14, 2019, 12:13:12 PM
Karanka has been interviewed but don't know any more than that. Probably one of many.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2019, 12:50:54 PM
Karakna would be a terrible appointment and would be a return to the Pulis day.

Those days that we tried to avoid under Moore. It would waste the last 8 months or so.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 14, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Got a feeling its going to be Alex Neil and I am not really sure how I will feel about that. Promoted with Norwich then relegated, sacked when Norwich mid table in the championship then flying with Preston now but were bottom earlier in the season.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 14, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
Needs to be sorted by the end of the international break, no one from within either. if we are going to make the plays off and be successful we need a run of good performances and results to see us through the three games. the players need to get on board with new mans ideas
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 14, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
I reckon Jokanovic will be announced over the weekend.
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Post by: mr multivac on March 14, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
A good coach is the be all and end all a good coach can turn an average team into a good team whilst a poor coach can wreck a good  team . No  bodie has a magic wand
But the players need to not only have respect for n
Manager but they need to see that he knows what he’s doing  and buy into it
U only have to look at Leeds norwich and she’d Utd to see that
On paper there teams are no where as good as ours bit
They play  to a system believe in it play for each other and there coaching
team , we need to bring in a manager capable of all that and more
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Post by: Albion79 on March 14, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
According to Matt Wilson no appointment will be made before the international break so Shan is in charge the weekend, it also appears there never was anybody lined up to take over from Moore so for the sacking to take place without someone lined up maybe there was more unrest behind the scenes than we know about as its an even bigger risk leaving Moores inexperienced first team coach in charge (nothing against Shan i hope he does well, seems a top bloke too)

The cynic in me thinks that we will beat Brentford saturday and an announcement will be made over the international break (possibly the day of one of the England game to bury the news) that Shan is going to be in charge for the rest of the season.

Again the cynic in me thinks that maybe this will suit the players and was part of the plan -

- if we go up their salaries go up 50% and there will be a clamour for Shan to get it permanent, meaning more of the same, a nice comfortable life for the players as they dont like too much change as we have seen.

- if we dont go up, Shan probably becomes the fall guy and some of them get moves anyway which will involve bigger wages and signing on fees, and the rest of the squad will know this is about their level now anyway and they get another year in the championship, win win either way for most of the squad.

Never thought i would be so cynical about the Albion but after this group have got three managers sacked in 18 months its caused that, once - these things happen, twice - its careless, three times - there is something not quite right!

I hope i am wrong about the above and we do appoint a new manager with Jokanovic seeming to be the best candidate, he doesnt stay at clubs very long and we dont keep managers very long - perfect match!
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 14, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
According to Matt Wilson no appointment will be made before the international break so Shan is in charge the weekend, it also appears there never was anybody lined up to take over from Moore so for the sacking to take place without someone lined up maybe there was more unrest behind the scenes than we know about as its an even bigger risk leaving Moores inexperienced first team coach in charge (nothing against Shan i hope he does well, seems a top bloke too)

The cynic in me thinks that we will beat Brentford saturday and an announcement will be made over the international break (possibly the day of one of the England game to bury the news) that Shan is going to be in charge for the rest of the season.

Again the cynic in me thinks that maybe this will suit the players and was part of the plan -

- if we go up their salaries go up 50% and there will be a clamour for Shan to get it permanent, meaning more of the same, a nice comfortable life for the players as they dont like too much change as we have seen.

- if we dont go up, Shan probably becomes the fall guy and some of them get moves anyway which will involve bigger wages and signing on fees, and the rest of the squad will know this is about their level now anyway and they get another year in the championship, win win either way for most of the squad.

Never thought i would be so cynical about the Albion but after this group have got three managers sacked in 18 months its caused that, once - these things happen, twice - its careless, three times - there is something not quite right!

I hope i am wrong about the above and we do appoint a new manager with Jokanovic seeming to be the best candidate, he doesnt stay at clubs very long and we dont keep managers very long - perfect match!

An Albion fan and a cynic, don’t they now go hand in hand in light of the events of the past few years...
Most of the time our players aren’t happy. Tony made them run up hills and his training was too formulaic and repetitive. Alan (although it’s still baffles me we appointed him) tried to change things too quickly and people never bought into it. Darren tried to get us to play too much football...
I think our manegerial appointments leave a lot to be desired but if the squad is as good as people say then they should take some criticism as they are underperforming too.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Needs to be sorted by the end of the international break, no one from within either. if we are going to make the plays off and be successful we need a run of good performances and results to see us through the three games. the players need to get on board with new mans ideas

Ideally it should be sorted prior to the international break but probably won't. The newbie would then get the international break to work with any players who aren't away with their respective countries. I'd imagine Hegazi and Johansen will be away with Egypt and Norway. Meanwhile Sam Field's away with the England under 20's and Rekeem Harper's in the under 19's.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
......Darren tried to get us to play too much football.......

I don't think too much football was the problem so much as where (and how) much of the football was being played.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 14, 2019, 04:48:40 PM
I don't think too much football was the problem so much as where (and how) much of the football was being played.

It was tongue in cheek in the sense that no matter what style / who manager the players haven’t been able to adapt and there’s always some reason.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
It was tongue in cheek in the sense that no matter what style / who manager the players haven’t been able to adapt and there’s always some reason.


They adapted to Moore's tactics fine and nearly pulled off the greatest escape. Jones' not so much.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 14, 2019, 05:22:07 PM
This is why i think whoever the manager is doesnt matter to an extent because with this group they are limited what they can do.

When Moore came in the club was in a mess, fans were staying away, the football was awful and we were going down with a whimper. He came in, spread some positivity, made us more organised and harder to beat and we ground out some results, the end game was we still got relegated but with a bit of pride and faith restored.

This season the objective was different, as a newly relegated team with our supposed stars the onus was on us to win games, he said that himself, if he had set us up to play this season the same way we finished last he wouldnt of made it to Xmas, the fans had seen enough safe and cautious football to last a life time and with us now being a big fish in a small pond in the championship instead of a small fish in a big pond in the premier league, expectations were different. I think had Rowett tried to show some signs of positive football at Stoke he may of got longer but as they were that boring and tedious, the fans turned and the board acted, i think Moore would of been the same.

There were a lot of positives to his spell, we are second highest scorers in the league and he had a 50% win rate so that suggests that the approach to games had changed and was working to a certain extent.

I think a combination of him not adapting his tactics and formations enough, the pace and energy of the championship catching up with our ageing squad and the fact our players have history in recent seasons of bottling big games when they matter was his downfall.

In a strange way this squad may of been suited to better to the premier league this season because they could play safety first football, there isnt a pressure to win games, its just to survive. I think last night showed that take them back to basics and they are fine, it wasnt pretty but it was effective, thats fine for a bit but the Albion fans are an expectant bunch, especially at this level and they voted with their feet last season and so whoever came in had to try and change that as fans wouldnt put up with boring football. (It helped last night that Swansea were one of the most open teams to play at the Hawthorns this season so it made it a decent game)

This group of players have shown they either cannot change too much or wont change too much, probably a combination of the two so you either bring in coach to suit the players which will probably mean basic boring football but not to the extreme of Pulis or you bring in a coach who wants to revamp the players and style, a bit of a revolution, however that will take time and i am not sure anybody will get that time.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 08:00:11 PM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.


What a relief you're not part of the decision making process.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 09:11:34 PM

What a relief you're not part of the decision making process.

And your knowledge goes as far as to jump up and down. on the SJ bandwagon because he is the obvious choice..

Very insightful and inspiring choice he is.

He is not worth £2m a year in the championship and is temperamental.

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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
And your knowledge goes as far as to jump up and down. on the SJ bandwagon because he is the obvious choice..

Very insightful and inspiring choice he is.

He is not worth £2m a year in the championship and is temperamental.


Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 09:34:00 PM
You'll find I wrote about my reservations about the £2m  salary elsewhere before any mentioned here, I have my own mind and unlike you don't jump on the most obvious bandwagon, up and down like kid who's had too many sweets.

The only bonus is you have not been advocating Brunt to made player manager.

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Post by: baggie82 on March 14, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
£2m annum is no big deal for our manager, were a football club competing to get back into the top flight not a flea market trader.
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Post by: Standaman on March 15, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
£2m annum is no big deal for our manager, were a football club competing to get back into the top flight not a flea market trader.


No it is huge in the Championship it is a salary that ONLY works if we get promotion (although this increases further on promotion). The problem is that every club that has ever started on a downward financial spiral has signed  contracts that makes perfect sense if you assume success but become a millstone if that success isn't achieved. If we give him a three year contract at that salary we can barely afford it next year and cannot afford it the year after.

 If he fails and we sack him we pay up the contract and still have to fund (the much reduced) salary for his successor. 
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
How do we know he wants £2m as all reports are that we haven’t even approached him yet, so all talk of wage demands are premature surely?
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 15, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
Where does all this information come from about what championship managers earn?

These earnings numbers get quoted here, and elsewhere, as if they are absolutes and the person quoting them knows them to be correct

My instict is that clubs are very unlikely to openly publish how much they pay players, managers and the various assitants so I repeat where can I go to look up for myself the verified salary figures for these various potential managers?

COYB
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
If the rumours are true that Jokanovic and Neil are the favourites the club and fans probably have to realise things will get worse before getting better.

Neil’s first season at preston was an average one, they then had a shocking start to this season where they were bottom but turned it round and now with the form they are in could make the playoffs, Farkes had a similar pattern too though they are going up automatic..

Jokanovic was similar, first season he did well, kept Fulham up, then they were playoffs and lost, then last season they were struggling down the bottom before he turned it round and they won the playoffs.

So there is every chance things will improve, then we will go through a bad patch, before things then improve again, its during that bad patch the fans and board have to be patient, calm and have faith in whoever the manager is.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 08:35:00 AM
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-nor-idUKKBN1QU1P3

This to me is exactly how we should be operating for a club of our size and resources, would love the new man to come in and be given time to implement this approach alongside Dowling.

Get rid of most of the tried and trusted players, start again with a younger and hungrier squad, which will most likely be cheaper too!
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Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.

The club could be thinking, "if we had let pardew (spit) go a few games earlier and let Darren have a few more games we may have stayed up, lets see what Shan can do, especially if the players who "run the club and are more than capable when they want to be" want to get the £10m promotion bonus!!

Its not a massive stretch to see someone (CB ?) knocking the door and saying leave it us we will sort this out !
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 15, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
In fairness to Neal I am pretty sure a lot of Preston's early season problems were caused by an horrendous injury list. Also have to remember he got the Norwich gig on the back of  doing a good job in Scotland  with an unfancied side
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Post by: timdon on March 15, 2019, 10:11:02 AM

Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 15, 2019, 10:26:16 AM
How do we know he wants £2m as all reports are that we haven’t even approached him yet, so all talk of wage demands are premature surely?

Exactly this, if reports are to be believed that we haven’t approached him then this 2 million figure is rubbish .

We’ve either spoke to him and he wants 2 million or we haven’t spoke to him at all
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Post by: frazzle on March 15, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.

He doesn’t like me either and I live in Scotland!

Ha. You’re on to something :)
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 15, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.

I am sure both Alex and Carlos would be overjoyed with that arrangement........
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Post by: cornishbaggie on March 15, 2019, 12:25:02 PM

Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.

We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 12:52:52 PM
We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get this legacy business, Big Dave showed he had huge tactical and managerial flaws, if you want a long term legacy, it has to start with the right head coach, much as we love Big Dave, he was not the one to do that, as the season went on, we got worse as Sheffield Utd, Leeds and Norwich improved, I just hope we get the right man next.
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Post by: Nathan on March 15, 2019, 12:57:38 PM
We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.

We would have had chance to start a legacy if we had appointed Graham Potter last April/Summer. He comes across as very intelligent and innovative as well as having a good footballing brain and philosophy and also being a thoroughly decent human being and obviously of an age to be in a position to want to around the club for a long enough period of time in order to build that said legacy. I said at the time that we could well regret not making an approach for Potter. For as much as Darren Moore is a nice bloke, he was/is thoroughly lacking in every other department for his appointment to have been a successful long term solution.
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Post by: darbolina on March 15, 2019, 01:01:04 PM
Legacy is built on success. Success is usually built on stability and strong foundations. We don't have the basics right at the club so how can we expect the rest to follow?

Maybe the club and Darren knew this and in spite of what they said, he was only ever a short term appointment like the rest the past few years. Arguably, Pulis would've been here longer, longer term (as long as he wanted) if he'd carried on boring us to staying up each year. We're arguably still paying for Pulis' legacy of helping to dismantle the structure and foundations we'd spent 10 years creating too............?

These days it's normal for coaches to stay for no more than a couple of years. We're not that different. We pulled the trigger earlier than most us thought though and we'll never know if Darren was just about to get it together enough to push us on a 7 game winning streak - didn't look that way though.

We just need a coach that's 'in tune' with the club's (latest) strategy. That seems to be simply about getting up and preferably whilst trying to keep the fans happier by playing a bit more attacking football (maybe wrong on the second bit being realistic). 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.

It wasn't just a bad month or two, it was a whole season of forcing a style of play on a team not equipped to play it, we got away with it for a long while only because we were scoring a lot of goals and could normally outscore the opposition because we had a bit of quality up top. Once the goals dried up, the cracks became more apparent, it was not as though the high risk playing out from the back ever came to anything positive, it was high risk, almost no gain, no manager in any walk of life should allow such a thing to continue, but Big Dave did, its just verging on gross stupidity.
If you want to change a playing style you have to do it steadily in a considered way, Big Dave unfortunately just did not seem to get this.
We need a complete midfield rebuild and have done since Pullis departed, without that, you can only tinker around the edges of playing style.
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Post by: cornishbaggie on March 15, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.

Thanks Albion79 couldn't have put it better myself. Dave wasn't the finished article. He was learning on the job. Neither the board nor some fans on here had the patience to back him. Shame.

So sad how many people demand instant gratification.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Fair points but to counter that you could say he has won over 50% of his albion games which i believe is one of the best records in our history, we are second highest scorers in the league and also 4th in the league with a very strong chance of the playoffs so it wasnt exactly terrible, i would say it was the start of a potentially promising future.

However all the pros and cons have been done to death, he has gone, but the biggest mistake i think he did make which will possibly impact the next manager was having too much faith in these players when we could of started the clearout last summer.

If we go up whoever comes in is saddled with the same group, they are on good contracts and will get 50% pay increases if we go up so wont be in any rush to leave, yet they showed last season they arent good enough for the premier league, they will be even worse next time, but they will be very hard to sell, if we go up this squad will most likely form the nucleus of next seasons premier league squad.

The only way i seen that changing and us having any sort of longer term plan is if we stay down and have to sell, i also think whoever the new manager who comes in will get a fairer chance from the fans that way too as the expectation wont be there when they see younger more unknown players rather than the ‘names’ we have now.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 15, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
It wasn't just a bad month or two, it was a whole season of forcing a style of play on a team not equipped to play it, we got away with it for a long while only because we were scoring a lot of goals and could normally outscore the opposition because we had a bit of quality up top. Once the goals dried up, the cracks became more apparent, it was not as though the high risk playing out from the back ever came to anything positive, it was high risk, almost no gain, no manager in any walk of life should allow such a thing to continue, but Big Dave did, its just verging on gross stupidity.
If you want to change a playing style you have to do it steadily in a considered way, Big Dave unfortunately just did not seem to get this.
We need a complete midfield rebuild and have done since Pullis departed, without that, you can only tinker around the edges of playing style.
Sorry but I don't believe that Lai, Jenkins etc. give a flying fig, or know anything, about playing style, they care only about money and results, therefore, whilst you are right about the various issues on the pitch, the decision must have been based on the last month or 2 and predominantly the poor home form.
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Post by: Adder on March 15, 2019, 03:36:36 PM
Sorry but I don't believe that Lai, Jenkins etc. give a flying fig, or know anything, about playing style, they care only about money and results, therefore, whilst you are right about the various issues on the pitch, the decision must have been based on the last month or 2 and predominantly the poor home form.
Jenkins does give a flying fig though about getting the seats filled and good season ticket sales and the exciting football of pre Christmas went a long way to getting full stadiums.
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Post by: frazzle on March 15, 2019, 04:10:58 PM
We would have had chance to start a legacy if we had appointed Graham Potter last April/Summer. He comes across as very intelligent and innovative as well as having a good footballing brain and philosophy and also being a thoroughly decent human being and obviously of an age to be in a position to want to around the club for a long enough period of time in order to build that said legacy. I said at the time that we could well regret not making an approach for Potter. For as much as Darren Moore is a nice bloke, he was/is thoroughly lacking in every other department for his appointment to have been a successful long term solution.

Agree on Potter but look where Swansea are in the table. No way our fans or board would have given him the time. Swansea will be strong next season I reckon.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 15, 2019, 04:56:31 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.


You're right, except we're pretty unique in this division. in that our owner currently has a £200 million asset, which will only realise it's value back in the Premier League.
Just cannot see GL writing that off.
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Post by: Nathan on March 15, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Agree on Potter but look where Swansea are in the table. No way our fans or board would have given him the time. Swansea will be strong next season I reckon.

I also think Swansea will be strong next season, I fear unless we manage to get promoted this season then we will see Swansea and Potter in the Premier League long before ourselves.
On your other point, our fans and board I think would have been more likely to have given Potter (or anyone else) the time if he was in a similar position to what he is in at Swansea, with his hands tied with zero funds available and a complete rebuild mission on his hands. In a funny sort of way, maybe it would have been best for us in the long run to have had to completely start again this season and rebuild from scratch. As some others have said though, the club seem to be continually operating with a short term mentality and the attitude of the Premier League being the be all and end all and sod the club foundations.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2019, 05:00:16 PM
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.


Conspiracy theories are there to be debunked I suppose. Where do Morrison and Phillips come into this one? Nothing to do with like or dislike:


Irvine wildly out of his depth, worse manager we've ever had and I sat through Burkinshaw, Buckley, Smith and Little in my teens.


Clarke benefitted hugely from taking over from Hodgson and as soon as he tried to tweak it more towards his own style the wheels came off. A poor manager who has found his level in Scotland.


McInnes plays attritional football, it's common knowledge and not something I want at Albion.


Dorrans was a flat-track bully in the Championship, rarely turned up against the better sides and amid shouts of 'the next Bryan Robson' etc on here I just pointed out he wasn't that good and wouldn't cut it in the Premier League, guess what? He wasn't and didn't.


Don't recall having any major problem with Ollie Burke, perhaps you're thinking of someone else?


Alex Neil did well enough at Hamilton to get a move to Norwich who he took up through the play-offs in his first half season, they then got relegated immediately. He's not sitting on a 40% win percentage at Preston. Moore had a 50% win percentage. Preston aren't particularly good to watch and neither were Norwich. He'd be a very underwhelming choice, and yes he comes across as dour in interviews.


I don't have a problem with Scots or any nationality, have another go.
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Post by: 17GD on March 15, 2019, 05:30:07 PM
With every day that goes by and we don't appoint someone, we get closer to either giving it Shan (no disrespect, even by his own words he is overawed by it) or appointing a mediocre has-been like we did with Pardew. I'm still bewildered as to why DM was sacked with no one waiting in the wings. Surely if you have a meeting with the boss and say "fail to win and you're out" it would have been AFTER a meeting with the one you're about to appoint.

And at this stage of the season, the ball is always going to be in the possible new coach's court as he knows we don't have time and would need to bow to their every request.

The only positive is that barring a disaster, a play off place looks pretty much certain going into the final 9 games.
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Post by: divinewind on March 15, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Thanks Albion79 couldn't have put it better myself. Dave wasn't the finished article. He was learning on the job. Neither the board nor some fans on here had the patience to back him. Shame.

So sad how many people demand instant gratification.

It's the club that were demanding an instant return to the premiership. That being the case why give the job to someone with no experience in the first place?
They were afraid of being labelled racist if they didn't by the very people who are labelling racist now.

Never in all my years of watching football have i seen anything so dumb as replacing a centre forward with a centre half in a cup tie, and using all the subs before extra time was played.
That isn't learning the game, that was 100% proof dumb.
You wouldn't do that in Fifa never mind in real life.

The only thing that stopped Darren being a good manager was a lack of a brain in his skull.
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Post by: Standaman on March 15, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
Agree with Albion79. We lurch from a "long term" appointment to a quick fix and then back again. I am not opening up the Moore debate but there must come a point when we back a manager through a downswing.

Whoever we appoint by definition is a quick fix with a view to getting up this season. If we don't get up do we fire them? If they do get us promoted at what point next season do we fire them?  After 3 straight defeats which in the Premier League is quite likely to happen to any newly promoted team.

I barely care who appoint we may as well draw the name out of a hat. We have no vision or if we do we chicken out as soon as we hit any bump in the road.


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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 07:35:53 PM
Agree with Albion79. We lurch from a "long term" appointment to a quick fix and then back again. I am not opening up the Moore debate but if there must come a point when we back a manager through a downswing.

Whoever we appoint by definition is a quick fix with a view to getting up this season. If we don't get up do we fire them? If they do get us promoted at point next season do we fire them? 

I barely care who appoint we may as well draw the name out of a hat. We have no vision or if we do we chicken out as soon as we hit any bump in the road.

I agree with you entirely, I just don't think Big Dave (sadly) was the right one, the continual playing out from the back with no variation was not the act of a top coach, it was a dogma and one that had been rumbled by the high press of the opposition, we need an astute coach who can build as side and change things as players arrive and depart, at least JP worked to a plan, the current owner and his minnions seem to only want financial results.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 15, 2019, 08:16:36 PM

Conspiracy theories are there to be debunked I suppose. Where do Morrison and Phillips come into this one? Nothing to do with like or dislike:


Irvine wildly out of his depth, worse manager we've ever had and I sat through Burkinshaw, Buckley, Smith and Little in my teens.


Clarke benefitted hugely from taking over from Hodgson and as soon as he tried to tweak it more towards his own style the wheels came off. A poor manager who has found his level in Scotland.


McInnes plays attritional football, it's common knowledge and not something I want at Albion.


Dorrans was a flat-track bully in the Championship, rarely turned up against the better sides and amid shouts of 'the next Bryan Robson' etc on here I just pointed out he wasn't that good and wouldn't cut it in the Premier League, guess what? He wasn't and didn't.


Don't recall having any major problem with Ollie Burke, perhaps you're thinking of someone else?


Alex Neil did well enough at Hamilton to get a move to Norwich who he took up through the play-offs in his first half season, they then got relegated immediately. He's not sitting on a 40% win percentage at Preston. Moore had a 50% win percentage. Preston aren't particularly good to watch and neither were Norwich. He'd be a very underwhelming choice, and yes he comes across as dour in interviews.


I don't have a problem with Scots or any nationality, have another go.
Own goal Jacko.😧
Attrition means to wear down and destroy the enemy/opposition with sustained attacks.
Know wonder you were such a big advocate of Pulis, we wouldn't want any of this attrition malarkey down the Albion would we?🍌
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Post by: silver surfer on March 15, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
Not exclusively through sustained attacks, Attrition can also mean grinding down an enemies greater resources and advantages using tactics designed to frustrate and limit losses.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 15, 2019, 10:28:37 PM
The biggest thing with Moore wasn't making the mistakes. It was making mistakes and not learning from them. Hopefully whoever we employ either has a strong belief and ideology on how to play (which Moore didn't), or is tactically adaptable (which Moore wasn't).
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 10:39:12 PM
The biggest thing with Moore wasn't making the mistakes. It was making mistakes and not learning from them. Hopefully whoever we employ either has a strong belief and ideology on how to play (which Moore didn't), or is tactically adaptable (which Moore wasn't).

Yep, absolutely right, doing the same things that don't work over and over again is just negligent.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
Own goal Jacko.😧
Attrition means to wear down and destroy the enemy/opposition with sustained attacks.
Know wonder you were such a big advocate of Pulis, we wouldn't want any of this attrition malarkey down the Albion would we?🍌


Very selective definition... I was going for: a gradual process of wearing down, weakening, or destroying something. McInnes and Pulis do this through negative grinding low risk football.


Pulis was needed at the time. I put up with it on the proviso something better would follow. To that end a midseason sacking was pointless and so it proved, so he retained my support last season.

Know wonder? Best get that dictionary out one more time...
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Post by: johnnyg on March 15, 2019, 11:18:41 PM
That last line is too personal, Jacko.  Way too personal.
I agree with you on most points you make on here tbh, but that last line was uncalled for.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 16, 2019, 12:35:46 AM

Very selective definition... I was going for: a gradual process of wearing down, weakening, or destroying something. McInnes and Pulis do this through negative grinding low risk football.


Pulis was needed at the time. I put up with it on the proviso something better would follow. To that end a midseason sacking was pointless and so it proved, so he retained my support last season.

Know wonder? Best get that dictionary out one more time...
I ay got a dicshonry.😁
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 06:17:43 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 16, 2019, 08:44:31 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

No offence intended mate but when has Appleton ever shown this? Honestly think Appleton would be a leap backwards from Moore. Neil wouldn’t be an overly popular appointment but at least he has experience at this level. From the way I see it if it’s not jokanovic then we might aswell of kept Darren Moore in charge
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Post by: Standaman on March 16, 2019, 08:48:32 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

James Shan hit the reset button and played with 10 behind the ball and lumped it which is our default mode. If any coach has aspirations to something else that like involves passing 2 weeks isn't long enough. Nor for that matter is 2 months and with this group of players I'm not sure 2 years would be enough but that is a moot point because they wouldn't survive that long.

Like Appleton a lot but he is plainly not judged as good enough and a cheap option by the fans who will chase him out of the club like Irvine. No we must pay whatever Jankonvic wants he is a bit of a slow burn but what the heck he knows how to make a subsitution, well he does until he makes the wrong one or God forbid asks the players to pass the ball.   
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
No offence intended mate but when has Appleton ever shown this? Honestly think Appleton would be a leap backwards from Moore. Neil wouldn’t be an overly popular appointment but at least he has experience at this level. From the way I see it if it’s not jokanovic then we might aswell of kept Darren Moore in charge

Have a look at what he did at Oxford. Every other club he’s been in charge of has been terribly run by the owners.

Darren Moore was a great man manager and coach but as a tactician was woeful. Everyone wanted him to do well but unfortunately he wasn’t up to it.
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Post by: Mo on March 16, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

He’s been out of work since last June if he’s that good someone would have appointed him by now .
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 16, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
Good shout that wbako.

I think somebody like that would be ideal if we dont go up and we do have a clearout, a young and hungry manager with fresh ideas, ie - tony mowbray.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 16, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
m

A mate of mine who’s a very highly qualified coach and also a Lincoln fan says the Cowley brothers get results but the style of their football will not please many who want to see a nice attacking game.
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:19:13 AM
Good shout that wbako.

I think somebody like that would be ideal if we dont go up and we do have a clearout, a young and hungry manager with fresh ideas, ie - tony mowbray.

I've been following him for a couple of years due to the fact he has come from a teaching background like myself and have been very impressed with how he comes across in interviews. Obviously, he's done a cracking job at Lincoln too.
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:21:13 AM
m

A mate of mine who’s a very highly qualified coach and also a Lincoln fan says the Cowley brothers get results but the style of their football will not please many who want to see a nice attacking game.

Fair enough. I can't profess to having seen them play that much. I did watch a game when they were in the conference (or whatever it is called now) and Lincoln pummelled the team they were playing, but I admit that's miles away from a promotion charge in the Championship.
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Post by: nogin on March 16, 2019, 11:24:36 AM
Have a look at what he did at Oxford. Every other club he’s been in charge of has been terribly run by the owners.

Darren Moore was a great man manager and coach but as a tactician was woeful. Everyone wanted him to do well but unfortunately he wasn’t up to it.

And our club is run impeccably ?? Right so were sorted then.
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
And our club is run impeccably ?? Right so were sorted then.

Compared to Blackburn and Portsmouth at the time then yes.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on March 16, 2019, 12:33:04 PM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
Good shout - I’d be happy with something like that
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 12:58:54 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,
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Post by: divinewind on March 16, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
If we win again today James Shan will be given the job.

Good old Albion, never disappoint.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 16, 2019, 04:01:28 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,

We’d have probably all said the same about Rowett when he was doing the exact same job at blues and look how that ended at stoke. I’d also worry why he’s had so many clubs in his short managerial career.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:01:36 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly


Christ no.


We cannot settle for this AGAIN.
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Post by: telford baggie on March 16, 2019, 06:05:44 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly
fans would then call for shan to be appointed and cry when hes sacked need to get someone in full time asap. but i expect it to be someone to plan for a rebuild in championship next season rather than go all out
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:12:43 PM
I just worry we could be held to ransom by Jokanovic or anyone else we decide is a "must have".  What can they do in the time left this season, the last thing this lot of players need right now is another tactical master plan, they just need to get out there and win a few games with sensible selection and clever use of subs. And if  a rushed appointment is another balls up where does that leave us?

I would make it 100% clear to Shan that it is only till May, give him a fat bonus if we go up.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
I just worry we could be held to ransom by Jokanovic or anyone else we decide is a "must have". What can they do in the time left this season, the last thing this lot of players need right now is another tactical master plan, they just need to get out there and win a few games with sensible selection and clever use of subs. And if  a rushed appointment is another balls up where does that leave us?

I would make it 100% clear to Shan that it is only till May, give him a fat bonus if we go up.


Assess the squad under match conditions, as you've said, play-offs is safe. Would be a disaster to wait until summer to make a permanent appointment.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
From what is discernible in the press, we have an ideally qualified candidate who is interested in the job and waiting for us to contact him.

Get on the blower to him right now, we need to break the cycle of, with the odd exception, not getting the right man for our job, proven by the number of managers we have appointed and parted company in the last 10 years, imo!
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:21:33 PM

Assess the squad under match conditions, as you've said, play-offs is safe. Would be a disaster to wait until summer to make a permanent appointment.
A lot of the squad will be gone anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it had looked like we had a successor lined up, now it would feel like panic buying to me.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
A lot of the squad will be gone anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it had looked like we had a successor lined up, now it would feel like panic buying to me.


We will need to retain some players like it or not, we need them to fit into (hopefully Jokanovic's) system. As long as it's not something totally out of the blue (Megson, Puel, Pearson etc) it won't have been done in a panic, it will be a considered choice that currently has only taken 7 days...


Shan for the rest of the season would reflect the club letting us all down again.
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Post by: Dexy on March 16, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.


Same. Although, not beginning to, have always thought.
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Post by: albion59 on March 16, 2019, 06:43:20 PM

Christ no.


We cannot settle for this AGAIN.
I hate doing this but I have to agree.
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Post by: Dan on March 16, 2019, 06:47:47 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,

I would be concerned that the only job with expectations of promotion he's had, he ended up being sacked mid-season.

No doubting the job he's done at Blues but its a whole different ball game being expected to win regularly, than at the likes of Blues where its ok if the form blows hot and cold.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:49:39 PM
I would be concerned that the only job with expectations of promotion he's had, he ended up being sacked mid-season.

No doubting the job he's done at Blues but its a whole different ball game being expected to win regularly, than at the likes of Blues where its ok if the form blows hot and cold.


Now on a run of 4 defeats on the bounce, which should become 5 Friday week. When the points deduction is announced he'll be lucky to get away without a relegation on his CV.


Not for me.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 16, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
I'll be disappointed if it's not Jokanovic. Mainly because he's proven to be a top head coach in this league, but also to break up the monotony of British coaches who never think outside the box, only bring in players with experience of English football and pick players based on reasons other than their ability as a footballer.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 16, 2019, 07:18:42 PM
I thoroughly expect over the next few days some of the players to start coming out and saying ‘jimmy is a great guy’ ‘we all love working for him’ ‘we would be happy if he was given the job’ basically their usual nonsense.

Shan does seem a very good coach, he has taken the players back to their default point pretty quick with how we play and how we setup but i would also imagine after witnessing their limitations under Moore when asked to do something different, he knows what they are really like and knows that if he tried anything different to the way we have played the last two games (a) the players will soon let him down and (b) the fans will demands better football.

I would hope on that basis he can see through the players and isnt as naive as moore and learns from that, and even if he is offered the job he turns it down because by the end of the year he will be out of a job at a club he has worked for for over 10 years, at least if somebody else comes in now and they dont want him his stock his high for other jobs rather than the sacking on his cv he will have in eight months time.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:20:07 PM
I don’t get sacking Darren just to get Jones out.

It’s not logical to me, as there are a number of other ways to have gotten rid of him and kept Darren in post.

For instance, if we are to believe press reports, it is a done deal that Jones will takeover at Luton in the summer and this was agreed before we sacked him. Now, as I understand it, he is under contract to us and would need the clubs permission to have spoken to Luton about their vacancy and for us to agree to release him from his contract to takeover in June.

Two issues, firstly, if he didn’t seek permission from us to speak to Luton and he went ahead anyway and agreed to take the job, then we could have terminated his contract, surely?

Secondly, we could have refused him permission to speak with Luton knowing that, probably, he would have taken humpage and, hopefully, walked out anyway.

Have I missed something? Why sack Darren to achieve a parting of the ways with Jones. I believe it was about Darren and not Jones, I don’t refute that Jones leaving may have been a bonus to some in the hierarchy of the club.

Please enlighten me on this Jones conspiracy theory

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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 07:20:47 PM

Now on a run of 4 defeats on the bounce, which should become 5 Friday week. When the points deduction is announced he'll be lucky to get away without a relegation on his CV.


Not for me.


the points deduction is irrelevant to his management,
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:24:15 PM
I don’t get sacking Darren just to get Jones out.

It’s not logical to me, as there are a number of other ways to have gotten rid of him and kept Darren in post.

For instance, if we are to believe press reports, it is a done deal that Jones will takeover at Luton in the summer and this was agreed before we sacked him. Now, as I understand it, he is under contract to us and would need the clubs permission to have spoken to Luton about their vacancy and for us to agree to release him from his contract to takeover in June.

Two issues, firstly, if he didn’t seek permission from us to speak to Luton and he went ahead anyway and agreed to take the job, then we could have terminated his contract, surely?

Secondly, we could have refused him permission to speak with Luton knowing that, probably, he would have taken humpage and, hopefully, walked out anyway.

Have I missed something? Why sack Darren to achieve a parting of the ways with Jones. I believe it was about Darren and not Jones, I don’t refute that Jones leaving may have been a bonus to some in the hierarchy of the club.

Please enlighten me on this Jones conspiracy theory


Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

In years to come when he looks back Darren Moore will have a huge regret over his tenure he'll realise he shouldn't have allowed Jones so much influence.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:27:38 PM

Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

In years to come when he looks back Darren Moore will have a huge regret over his tenure he'll realise he shouldn't have allowed Jones so much influence.

So it was about Darren and not Jones then?
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So it was about Darren and not Jones then?


Both.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:51:10 PM

Both.

Not meaning to be pedantic, it wasn’t all about Jones as is being suggested then?
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 16, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.

I've never thought any different. For me, from the outset, GJ was always the main man.
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:59:42 PM
Not meaning to be pedantic, it wasn’t all about Jones as is being suggested then?


We can only speculate. I'm sure more info will emerge over time.
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
I do wonder if Darren waiting so long for Graham Jones to join and then the bloke looking to bail out at the first opportunity was one of the factors in Darrens dismissal.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 08:06:53 PM


the points deduction is irrelevant to his management,


That was clearly just a bookend to the post. They've bottled it when it has come to the crunch, they were above Villa until 4 games ago. Vile have taken 12 points they've taken 0. As someone else suggested, he's Rowett with 3 times as many sideways passes.
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 08:09:03 PM

That was clearly just a bookend to the post. They've bottled it when it has come to the crunch, they were above Villa until 4 games ago. Vile have taken 12 points they've taken 0. As someone else suggested, he's Rowett with 3 times as many sideways passes.

so you don't think blues have over achieved under his management ?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
so you don't think blues have over achieved under his management ?


No more than they did under Rowett no.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 16, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
From what’s being said / rumoured I’m worried the board will go for a temporary fix. Shan has cemented the play off position (I personally still think top 2 is a possibility) and they will see if someone can get us up and evaluate at the end of the season, depending on what league we are in. I hope I’m wrong as we need a permanent appointment but this is what I think will happen.
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Post by: Dan on March 16, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
A new manager in as a temporary appointment doesn't really make much sense. There's only so much you can do as a manager at this stage of a season. The reason people like Pulis make good mid-season managers is they just go back to the very basics, go big on organisation. And that's all Shan has done really, simplified things.

No manager is going to come in at this stage and markedly improve the football and get results. If they want to get us playing better football they'll run into familiar issues that a lot of these players just can't do that, and if they go for results its going to be largely similar to what Shan's doing.

Unless we can get Jokanovic in or a similar profile I don't think keeping Shan on till the summer is the worst idea. None of the other names seem particularly appealing.   
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 16, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
Just need a manager who will let players actually play to their their stengths and not put square pegs into round holes ala Pulis, Pardew and even Moore.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 17, 2019, 08:17:12 AM
There is a rumour I heard last home game and I have no idea how true, so you can decide...

It was going around that Darren was told that Jones would be sacked and Moore said if he goes then I have to go too.....

We will never know the truth.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
Just need a manager who will let players actually play to their their stengths and not put square pegs into round holes ala Pulis, Pardew and even Moore.
Agree.  With Gibbs hopefully returning, our back 4 are experienced, or in the case of Holgate seem natural technically, so they don't need much coaching, the forwards all know where the net is (HRK doesn't hit it often to be fair  ;)), we just need to get a solid midfield setup, which is where I think Brunt comes in, my guess is he's taken a fair bit of responsibility since Moore went.  So for 8 games what has been our weakness (ageing squad) could be a positive, especially if Shan splices in Edwards/Harper properly for a bit of fizz.  If its Shan or someone else I hope they stick to a bit of a motivational stuff and try to keep our upswing going.  A quick look at the flex up in their pay packets should inspire even the most jaded of them anyway.
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Post by: smosher34 on March 17, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
There is a rumour I heard last home game and I have no idea how true, so you can decide...

It was going around that Darren was told that Jones would be sacked and Moore said if he goes then I have to go too.....

We will never know the truth.
See if Moore ends up at Luton as a number 2
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Post by: Baggies on March 17, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
The problem with waiting until the end of the season, is that failure to get promotion, and thus losing 10 or more players leaves us a very unattractive proposition. The rebuilding job either way will be daunting, but doing it without premier league cash leaves so much work to do.

I could be wrong, and maybe not taking into account other factors, but surely now, with us in the playoffs and a chance of getting promotion makes us a decent opportunity for a coach?

Jokanovic is probably the best of the named options, but I am a bit annoyed that Dowling has been in place since the late summer and he still doesn't seem to have planned ahead. If Jokanovic isn't really up for taking the job, we should have had other managers in our thinking. I'm just hoping the next appointment hints at the club looking further afield and not having the same limited  tunnel vision as some of our recent thinking.

I'd be looking at what Wolves did with Nuno, Norwich with Farke, Leeds have with Bielsa, Southampton with Hassunhuttl and Watford with Gracia.

They looked further afield and seem to be benefitting from it. Until more of our domestic managers start to prove they have developed their thinking, i'd be strongly considering the wider talent pool.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 17, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
See if Moore ends up at Luton as a number 2
Moore will end up at Walsall, probably with brunt as no2
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 17, 2019, 10:09:51 PM
I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.
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Post by: chipperclark on March 17, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
 ;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 18, 2019, 06:43:42 AM
;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.

I don't agree because that would put us in exactly the same position as last year. Shan has the rest of the season, does well and gets into the play offs - it makes no difference whether we go up or not when you think about it, but there will be a demand by many to give him the job because he did so well, ala Big Dave.

If he does get us up, he will 'deserve a chance', and if we don't go up, he will get the job because 'he did so well at the end of last season'.

Shan has done well over the past couple of games, but he needs to be the link between the team and the new manager and nothing else.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 18, 2019, 07:06:09 AM
shocking mangement by the powers. needs to be sorted now not the end of the season, not Shan either
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 18, 2019, 08:31:59 AM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 08:40:28 AM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?

I still harbour hopes for Jokanovic, but you could well be right, knowing how our lot go about things
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Post by: NJS on March 18, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
I suppose if we waited until the end of the season there's be a chance of getting a manager that wasn't willing to rat on his current club mid-season?

Jimmy Shan might not be able to get us promoted but I don't think the club is currently in the state to stay in PL - that's from Board Management down to the First team players.  Honorable exceptions to the youth set up, ground staff etc.
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Post by: Dexy on March 18, 2019, 11:14:31 AM
I still harbour hopes for Jokanovic, but you could well be right, knowing how our lot go about things
Unless its Jokanovic I'd sooner stick with Shan until the end of the season especially if they got him an older head on board .
None of the other names like Moyes attract me at all .
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Post by: Albionic on March 18, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
Unless its Jokanovic I'd sooner stick with Shan until the end of the season especially if they got him an older head on board .
None of the other names like Moyes attract me at all .

tend to agree with this, if it is a choice between Shan or one of the dinosaurs (Moyes / Allardyce) or a romantic ex-player option (Appleton / McInnes) I would rather stick with Shan.

I'm still in the Monk or Bilic camp though.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Albion's board set to finalise decision over new head coach early this week. Jokanovic and Neil the main contenders. Shan says it's an appealing job for anybody #wba”
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Unlike Moore, Shan is not in the running for the (permanent) job but last week suggests he deserves a place working with the first team long-term. May be difficult depending on who new boss is of course”

I would support Shans assertion, as he is an immediate connect between our current players and whoever the new manager is, hopefully Jokanovic
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
West Brom board finalising decision over new head coach

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/18/west-brom-board-finalising-decision-over-new-head-coach/
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Post by: tuamigos on March 18, 2019, 12:43:22 PM
West Brom board finalising decision over new head coach

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/18/west-brom-board-finalising-decision-over-new-head-coach/

Expect a decision anytime in the next eight or nine weeks then  :(
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 18, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.

This is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Never employ the temporary bloke, it doesn't work long term.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 18, 2019, 12:47:45 PM
So Matt Wilson says we hope to have someone in place by Wednesday and Rob Dorsett of Sky Sports Tweets...

#wbafc no closer to appointing new manager, I understand. Considering option of interim boss, or an experienced coach to work with Shan til end of season. Board want right long-term appointment, but v different demands in Champs or Prem. Jokanovic and Neil still being considered.
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Post by: lewisant on March 18, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
So Matt Wilson says we hope to have someone in place by Wednesday and Rob Dorsett of Sky Sports Tweets...

#wbafc no closer to appointing new manager, I understand. Considering option of interim boss, or an experienced coach to work with Shan til end of season. Board want right long-term appointment, but v different demands in Champs or Prem. Jokanovic and Neil still being considered.

Sounds like he's just re-worded Matt Wilson's tweet. We aren't closer because we always expected it done this week.
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Post by: paulosull on March 18, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Jimmy has done a great job in his short time in charge results wise by going back to playing a Pulis style of football. Lots of folk on here bemoaned his style of play me included so I'd be against giving him job on temporary basis. If we are going down temporary route i wouldn't be averse to Appleton or Shakespeare taking reins.
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Post by: leeiswba on March 18, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
Jimmy has done a great job in his short time in charge results wise by going back to playing a Pulis style of football. Lots of folk on here bemoaned his style of play me included so I'd be against giving him job on temporary basis. If we are going down temporary route i wouldn't be averse to Appleton or Shakespeare taking reins.

The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently
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Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2019, 02:47:49 PM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?

There will always be someone who wants the job because they know and we know should they fail their contract will be paid up in full.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 18, 2019, 03:17:53 PM
There will always be someone who wants the job because they know and we know should they fail their contract will be paid up in full.
Which speaks to my reference to anyone with any merit or worthy of the job, what you describe fit into my current 'mercenary' catagory
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Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
Which speaks to my reference to anyone with any merit or worthy of the job, what you describe fit into my current 'mercenary' catagory

Correct, i misread your post.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 18, 2019, 08:32:11 PM

Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

But Cloughie did that all the time.
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Post by: Bilston Dan on March 18, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently

You'd think our board would learn from the old adage "once bitten, twice shy" but then again they've been pretty inept under Lai so it wouldn't surprise me!  ;D
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Post by: Dan on March 18, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently

If he wins every game to get us promoted he would rightfully get the job!

It's not like Moore was a disaster. Had we gone for the tried and tested option of a rowett things could be much worse. Likewise the up and coming coach potter hasn't done anything.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 18, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
If he wins every game to get us promoted he would rightfully get the job!

It's not like Moore was a disaster. Had we gone for the tried and tested option of a rowett things could be much worse. Likewise the up and coming coach potter hasn't done anything.


If you can't see what Potter has done for Swansea I despair... They will be top 2 next season with no investment.
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:21:31 AM

If you can't see what Potter has done for Swansea I despair... They will be top 2 next season with no investment.

Complete powderpuff football, far too easy to beat - you say no investment, they've still spent more and have a far better squad than a bunch of teams above them.

Potter benefits from being fashionable from his time in Sweden. There's a bunch of managers who've done jobs with worse quality ,worse budgets in the league. How you can slag off Monk who's had it far more difficult then claim Potter will have them top 2 next season is beyond me.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:26:50 AM
Complete powderpuff football, far too easy to beat - you say no investment, they've still spent more and have a far better squad than a bunch of teams above them.

Potter benefits from being fashionable from his time in Sweden. There's a bunch of managers who've done jobs with worse quality ,worse budgets in the league. How you can slag off Monk who's had it far more difficult then claim Potter will have them top 2 next season is beyond me.


Mind boggles if you think Monk has had it worse than Potter. Have a read about swansea this year.
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:31:54 AM

Mind boggles if you think Monk has had it worse than Potter. Have a read about swansea this year.

Blues had literally no money to spend. Swansea had some money to spend and a better team to begin with.

It got somewhat worse for them in January but by then it was clear they weren't going up anyway.

Bristol City had their star striker, centre back, and left back all sold off. Spent 2.5m in the summer. Swansea losing players and not getting huge funds to replace them isn't unique by championship standards. Potter is doing nothing that the likes of Johnson, Monk, Neil and Adkins aren't doing elsewhere. And Wilder is doing better than them all.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:35:54 AM
Blues had literally no money to spend. Swansea had some money to spend and a better team to begin with.

It got somewhat worse for them in January but by then it was clear they weren't going up anyway.

Bristol City had their star striker, centre back, and left back all sold off. Spent 2.5m in the summer. Swansea losing players and not getting huge funds to replace them isn't unique by championship standards. Potter is doing nothing that the likes of Johnson, Monk, Neil and Adkins aren't doing elsewhere. And Wilder is doing better than them all.


Now go and have a look at every passing stat for the entire league.


What were your thoughts on Farke last season?
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:40:43 AM

Now go and have a look at every passing stat for the entire league.


What were your thoughts on Farke last season?

We used to have the same stats when Mowbray was here and the fundamental flaws in his management meant he's never progressed beyond a championship manager.

Given Potter won't be given a big pot of money to rebuild like Mowbray was I'd suggest he'll run into the same problems without the glory. The fact is they have nice passing stats and were also their own worst enemy against us for it.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:43:26 AM
We used to have the same stats when Mowbray was here and the fundamental flaws in his management meant he's never progressed beyond a championship manager.

Given Potter won't be given a big pot of money to rebuild like Mowbray was I'd suggest he'll run into the same problems. Any team that struggles to defend set pieces like Swansea do is always going to be up against it in this league. One of those fundamental flaws that separates out managers.


We'll agree to disagree. Mowbray gave us the best football since Ossie and at a higher level. Not sure why you're talking about anything other than Championship as Monk has failed in his only Premier League job.
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Post by: frazzle on March 19, 2019, 05:46:42 AM
To be sat here seemingly no closer to having a manager is outrageous. What would the board have done if we had lost the last two games. What a mess.
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 19, 2019, 07:40:56 AM
I’ve read as many stories as possible and it all points to Appleton as the longer it goes on the more likely we’re going to go for a short term fix.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 19, 2019, 08:01:03 AM
I am a little confused. Jenkins statement on sacking Moore more or less stated he had failed in his objective to get us into the top 2 and promotion was imperative. Do the board really think Shan, Appleton short term etc are going to get us over the line. They are now saying they aren't sure what division we are going to be in next season so are hesitant on a long term appointment at this stage. Was it a case of they just wanted Moore out at all costs and thought anyone but him would stand a better chance of giving us success this season?
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 08:10:02 AM

We'll agree to disagree. Mowbray gave us the best football since Ossie and at a higher level. Not sure why you're talking about anything other than Championship as Monk has failed in his only Premier League job.
It's finding that balance isn't it ? , apart from Roy and for a brief spell under Clarke we've been too negative / dull or far too open Mowbray / DM and Jones .
Must admit I admire what Potter has done in his career so far but watching Swansea the other night screamed of Mowbray at his worst defending wise.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
To be sat here seemingly no closer to having a manager is outrageous. What would the board have done if we had lost the last two games. What a mess.
I have no proof but I'd wager the situation goes back to Jones one way or the other , scrapping his system and methods appears to have lead to 6 points and 2 clean sheets. It could be Dowling is more of a football man than we know and he had a major say in the sacking.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2019, 09:07:01 AM
I can really see it being Appleton/Shakespeare (or both) alongside Shan until end of season.

It's too risky to have a new manager coming in now and changing the way we play again. If we had brought someone in when DM was sacked, they could have kept Shan involved for Swansea and Brentford to get an understanding of the team, and used the international break to make slight tweaks in how we play.

The one thing the club need to ensure is that whatever happens, we keep Shan on in some capacity. Whether that be first team coach, or back to his previous role. He's been an integral part of our academy for years and part of our 'DNA'. He knows our youth players better than even DM did, and is the link between the academy and first team.

Back on topic, I think we will 99% go down the temporary boss route and reassess in the summer dependant on what league we are in. The major issue is as others have said, if the temporary boss gets us promoted, how do you not give them a chance in the premier league...
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 09:50:36 AM
I can really see it being Appleton/Shakespeare (or both) alongside Shan until end of season.  ...
...
 The major issue is as others have said, if the temporary boss gets us promoted, how do you not give them a chance in the premier league.

If they go down that route, it will be an permanent appointment with a contract to the end of the season.

At that point the board will make a decision on a longer term contract, where the person appointed would be considered, along with other candidates.

As others have said, whatever division we're in next season, it's a pretty major rebuilding job, so it makes sense to keep our options open.

Pretty much what Man U have done with OGS.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
We do Not want Appleton or Shakespeare here at all whether that is temporary or permanent. no way.

very disappointing because we have won the last 2 they no longer seem in a rush when in fact we are. Never rated DM but why sack him if we had no replacement lined up?

dont understand this about depends what division we are in. Jokanovic has managed in both divisions and if we fail in the play offs, we have to back him to try and get us up next season.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
We do Not want Appleton or Shakespeare here at all whether that is temporary or permanent. no way.

very disappointing because we have won the last 2 they no longer seem in a rush when in fact we are. Never rated DM but why sack him if we had no replacement lined up?

dont understand this about depends what division we are in. Jokanovic has managed in both divisions and if we fail in the play offs, we have to back him to try and get us up next season.
Can understand your view on Appleton but I wouldn't be against Shakespeare , take away the previous with us and he's moved on to be a highly respected coach in the game . I'd prefer SJ over them all though .
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
Can understand your view on Appleton but I wouldn't be against Shakespeare , take away the previous with us and he's moved on to be a highly respected coach in the game . I'd prefer SJ over them all though .

yes i know what you mean but even shakespeare has only managed what was it 6 months? but yes would rather have him over appleton.

i just dont know why we dont appoint Jokanovic with Shan alongside until the end of the season and then next year if we fail to go up we try to back him as much as possible to try and get promoted again.

there will be funds next year despite us having to balance the books a bit more. the sale of Rondon will be coming into the club, along with other players that wish to jump ship or we offload.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
yes i know what you mean but even shakespeare has only managed what was it 6 months? but yes would rather have him over appleton.

i just dont know why we dont appoint Jokanovic with Shan alongside until the end of the season and then next year if we fail to go up we try to back him as much as possible to try and get promoted again.

there will be funds next year despite us having to balance the books a bit more. the sale of Rondon will be coming into the club, along with other players that wish to jump ship or we offload.
Shakespeare wouldn't be the manager though , he'd be a help to Shan I'd imagine .
Suspect it's the same old thing with SJ , money !
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 11:08:56 AM
Shakespeare wouldn't be the manager though , he'd be a help to Shan I'd imagine .
Suspect it's the same old thing with SJ , money !

Another twist in our saga.
Shakey and Appleton?
It's a no from me  :(

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-fans-must-surely-be-livid-as-managerial-search-takes-a-twist/
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Another twist in our saga.
Shakey and Appleton?
It's a no from me  :(

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-fans-must-surely-be-livid-as-managerial-search-takes-a-twist/
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots

which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots

I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?
Because Jones and Darren were out of favour with management , majority of supporters, and PLAYERS.
Once again Brunt and Morrison think they are running the show. I went to Brentford and watched them both very carefully.
I personally, sincerely hope ,that whatever the rest of the season brings, that those two are no longer part of the future.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?


Because Moore and Jones were clueless. Anyone else would have been better, Shan is already proving that point.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:43:47 AM
I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.
They should have kept him last season mate, instead of bringing Pardew in, and we would still be in the Prem. Jenkins not big enough to swallow his pride for the sake of the club though
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 19, 2019, 11:48:56 AM

Because Moore and Jones were clueless. Anyone else would have been better, Shan is already proving that point.

Pulis and Pardew didn’t. You could probably add Garry Rowett to that list as he had more money at his disposal and a premier league squad and didn’t do anything with them. Steve Bruce didn’t get Villa back up with more resources...Maybe not anyone...
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Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.

Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 11:59:20 AM
Pulis and Pardew didn’t. You could probably add Garry Rowett to that list as he had more money at his disposal and a premier league squad and didn’t do anything with them. Steve Bruce didn’t get Villa back up with more resources...Maybe not anyone...

Pulis had expired well before his sacking and Pardew should never have been given the job. I felt Moore deserved a chance due to the end of last year but quickly became apparent he was no manager, we just got all sentimental and stuck with him out of blind loyalty which could really cost us now. Our board are utterly inept.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.

100% agreed. Not sticking with GM was yet another terrible decision.
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 12:05:01 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.

Maybe 100% is a slight exaggeration but you surely get the gist. Anyone who was at Wembley for Spurs away last season under Megson couldn't have failed to notice the significant passion and pride in the atmosphere in the away end that day, whether or not it was from 100% of our support or not, it was close enough and good enough for me! Yes, he should have been undoubtedly given the job last season, I firmly believe we would not have gone down. The other names being banded about in the likelihood of a temporary appointment leave me a little deflated to say the least, I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.
I know what you are saying is correct Dan , but no manager will ever get 100% supporter backing. We have not had a manager since, nor will we, who was "adored" like SGM was when we pipped the Dingles though,and then, when not backed in the Prem and relegated, got us back again.
51 years a season ticket holder and I won't hear a word said against him.
Some of the potential manager's being mentioned on here. Words bloody fail me. I'll shut up on this subject now !   
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 12:19:24 PM
I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.


It's not the fans, that the new HC needs to get onside, it's the existing staff & players.
If there is to be a short term appointment, it has to be on a "here to help" basis & there's no place for egos.
Not sure Megson has that ability.

At the end of the season, it's a rebuild exercise, so a whole new set of objectives.
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 12:30:31 PM

It's not the fans, that the new HC needs to get onside, it's the existing staff & players.
If there is to be a short term appointment, it has to be on a "here to help" basis & there's no place for egos.
Not sure Megson has that ability.

At the end of the season, it's a rebuild exercise, so a whole new set of objectives.

That should equally (or even more so) apply to the playing staff! If there was one thing for sure, Megson would attempt to put an immediate stop to any particular clique of players who think they are running the show.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 12:48:46 PM
That should equally (or even more so) apply to the playing staff! If there was one thing for sure, Megson would attempt to put an immediate stop to any particular clique of players who think they are running the show.

Again, I'm not sure there are a clique of players who think they are running the show.

It's pretty apparent that DM/GJ were trying to impose a playing system on players who weren't comfortable with it.
JS has taken a more pragmatic view & operated a system to suit the players.

6 points from a possible 6, would suggest that JS took the right decision.

We still have a great chance of promotion, IMO it would put that chance at real risk, if we were to bring someone in to "take over".

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Post by: kris_boing on March 19, 2019, 01:05:25 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.
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Post by: NJS on March 19, 2019, 01:10:52 PM
Hmmn Sir Gary.  I get the feeling he was out of sorts with the board.  He seemed to be an old fashion type of manager who likes to run the whole show himself.  For example, he had a scouting system which didn't admit of a role like Director of Football.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2019, 01:12:39 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

I think I am leaning towards this approach.

I cannot see that appointing Jokanovic at this point in the season will be of benefit.

If this bunch cannot play the way Moore wanted then they will struggle under SJ.

I think the back to basics and trying to get over the line is probably the best approach.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 01:22:58 PM
Hmmn Sir Gary.  I get the feeling he was out of sorts with the board.  He seemed to be an old fashion type of manager who likes to run the whole show himself.  For example, he had a scouting system which didn't admit of a role like Director of Football.
We are talking 8 matches.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

I'd give them the gig for the rest of this season plus next season as well.
We weren't considered good enough for Moyes a few years ago when his stock was high. if he gets the job here we will only be a stepping stone until something better comes along.
Plus he's a sweaty sock  8)
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 02:05:05 PM
We are talking 8 matches.

I always got the impression you work FOR Gary Megson. IMO we want someone who will work WITH James Shan, the staff, & the players to get us over the line.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2019, 02:19:26 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

To be honest I had forgot about Pearson, that's a name I think the board will consider. That pairing could work well alongside Shan to see us over the line. You would say we are one foot in the playoffs at the moment and its more a case of going into the playoffs with momentum and then the knowhow to win the semis.

As much as Shan has done a good job, giving him the task of that is huge, at least alongside Pearson and Shakey, he's working with two guys who know the league, know the club and have a bit more experience.

Could work well.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Knowing the club is not a reason to employ someone, in fact where we are concerned it should be an active reason not to... This is hugely disappointing that it's even rumoured; we need a completely fresh start.


Just go and get Slavisa Jokanovic.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2019, 02:55:41 PM
Maybe 100% is a slight exaggeration but you surely get the gist. Anyone who was at Wembley for Spurs away last season under Megson couldn't have failed to notice the significant passion and pride in the atmosphere in the away end that day, whether or not it was from 100% of our support or not, it was close enough and good enough for me! Yes, he should have been undoubtedly given the job last season, I firmly believe we would not have gone down. The other names being banded about in the likelihood of a temporary appointment leave me a little deflated to say the least, I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.

Oh I absolutely get the gist and yes I was there too. The noise we made that day was great, as was the time spent in the Green Man before and after the match too. Such a pity we didn't take all three points. However, at times like this I'm always reminded of the following............

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln)

............ in truth though I can't help but think that when it comes to all things Albion the 'you can please all of the people some of the time' could be replaced with 'there's always a few never happy with anybodies' too  ;D .
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Post by: baggie38 on March 19, 2019, 02:57:07 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.
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Post by: gerry m on March 19, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Not surprising as Preston would look for a large amount of compensation that i can't see the club will pay.
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Post by: wbatillidie on March 19, 2019, 03:18:18 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Odds for Appleton 25/1 with betvictor, worth a go
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
Appleton?? Oh lordy the board never learn.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 19, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
It's going to be Jokanovic. I reckon we'll be hearing something tomorrow or Thursday. I can't see us paying compensation when the outstanding realistic candidate is a free agent. I would be shocked if we risk leaving the team in untested hands with so much at stake.
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Post by: frazzle on March 19, 2019, 04:23:10 PM
I’d love it if we appointed another black manager. Shove it up Durham. Kluivert!
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Post by: geoff on March 19, 2019, 04:29:08 PM
I’d love it if we appointed another black manager. Shove it up Durham. Kluivert!

someone like Ruud Gullet you mean
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on March 19, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Not surprised, this rumour will just get stronger with inactivity.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2019, 05:52:48 PM
Given our Scrooge like track record with appointing managers, I could never see us paying compensation for another clubs manager, so I never considered Neal was a runner personally.
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Post by: mr multivac on March 19, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
It goes from bad to worse if the whole point of sacking big Dave
Was to increase our chances of winning the play offs and getting
Back to the big bucks why are we not offering a top available manager
A short contract on a basic salary and a massive bonus to get us back to the
Prem ,it’s win win then if we don’t go up we
Don’t pay the bonus and can re-evaluate for next year  the man in charge
Has not made the bonus but as earned some dosh
And walks away and takes his chances on being
Re employed with same chance as if he takes us up
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 19, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
I’m surprised a manager like Alexander Zorniger hasn’t been connected, German (popular choice at the moment) who has European experience and had great successes at Brøndby and Leipzig while having the failure of Stuttgart to push his valuation down to our bracket. Strong willed but attack minded with players like Timo Pukki succeeding under his management. He’s also a free agent right now.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

Got to agree but also not surprised one bit by the whole thing, laughing stock
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2019, 08:03:31 PM
This was the major reason for not sacking Moore

Look at the alternatives

If Jokanovic wanted this job he would have been in the sportsman watching the game last week.

The rebuild in the summer is going to be off putting for many - it’s why we’Re facing the Appleton & Shan appointment..
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.



Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 19, 2019, 08:47:02 PM
I know what you are saying is correct Dan , but no manager will ever get 100% supporter backing. We have not had a manager since, nor will we, who was "adored" like SGM was when we pipped the Dingles though,and then, when not backed in the Prem and relegated, got us back again.
51 years a season ticket holder and I won't hear a word said against him.
Some of the potential manager's being mentioned on here. Words bloody fail me. I'll shut up on this subject now !
I think he would be a good appointment
There would be no room for cliques or favours, SGM is wise enough to know he wouldn't be here next year and I genuinely think we could still make top 2

I understand the calls forbjokanovic, but he is not the man for 8 games, he needs transfers and a full season.
Get SGM in
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 09:03:18 PM


Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.


Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 19, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
I’d happily take either SGM or Pearson till the rest of the season, working with Shan. 
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 10:50:29 PM
Would much rather have Pearson/GM than Appleton
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 20, 2019, 08:47:02 AM

Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.

i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 20, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.
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Post by: Dexy on March 20, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.
Sadly I agree , our last performances under Moore and Jones lacked so many basics . Frankly I was worried about even getting in a play off spot , at best we'd have gone into them limping form wise.
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Post by: Singhwba on March 20, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
The problem is we have 8/10 maybe 11 games to go.
If a new man comes in, it will take from 2/3 games for the players to get used to his methods and vice versa.

If we appoint someone interim to come in alongside Shan, this will work for now. Someone who knows the players, knows their strengths, hows how to play, stay solid at the back.

There is certainly pros and cons for both.
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 09:52:03 AM
It is very highly probable that we will be in REAL pressure pot games as we try to succeed in the play offs. I would worry that Shan could be left to make decisions worth up to £100m without an experienced "mentor / advisor / sounding board" to assist him.

If the board has confidence that James can achieve the clubs objectives with his current team, all well and good, BUT, personally I think its a hell of a gamble.

I wouldn't be averse to asking SGM to come in for a short stint to "help" with a huge bonus for him and Shan to achieve success.  I don't think that SGM would be "tolerated" by the players or the club as a medium term / long term solution, sadly.  (says as much about the players / club as SGM)

Thoughts?

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Post by: mini gaardsoe on March 20, 2019, 09:52:25 AM
Percy saying Shan in charge for Blues game and Jokanovic will be looked at again in the Summer.

Absolute shambles this club has been the last few years, and continues to be so  ::)
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2019, 10:01:11 AM
i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.

I agree with BaggieJohn that our sole ambition is to get us back into the Premier League. However, I think that our current owner [and his consortium] realise that they have had their pants pulled down and will look to sell us at the first available opportunity once we are back in the greed league. There is no evidence to suggest that Mr Lai is prepared to invest big money into the club. He could have gone and bought decent players for the future [Dack for example - lets not debate as to whether we did or did not bid for him] but we have gone down the loan route. The fact that getting money out of China is restricted does not help our cause either.

Darren was given the spanish because of our recent performances, and Mr Lai could see us slipping out of the top 6 and his 'investment' devaluing further. The fact that we have won our last two games strenghtens our position somewhat but I am amazed that they did not have someone lined up beforehand. That just makes us look amateurish.

Unfortunately I think that there is a hidden agenda to what is going on at the Hawthorns, and it relates to balancing the books and getting as much of the investment back ASAP. I believe that the development of the club as a potent force is very much lower down on the list of priorities.

I fear for our future.
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Post by: Dexy on March 20, 2019, 10:33:49 AM
If we can't tempt SJ or that level then letting Shan see the season out makes sense to me .
Worst thing we could have done is get another old timer / has been / never was and give them a 18 month contract.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
Dennis Wise been spotted
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 10:54:07 AM
Dennis Wise been spotted

I've just seen our milkman by the ground as well but I doubt if he'll get the job.
Oh hang on a minute though!
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Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
The biggest fear for me with this route is IF Shan (and supporting coaches) get us promoted, then they would be in a very strong position to get the job fulltime. The whole situation is the same thing that happened this time last year with DM.

Shan is integral to our youth set up, he's not ready to be first team manager YET and is definitely not ready to be a premier league manager if he was to guide us up. Would hate to see him leave the club if it didn't work out. He has invested more time into our youth players that a lot of coaches and knows them better than anyone else, would be a big loss to our academy.

But then IF we did get promoted, and didn't give him the job, you can guarantee our good friend at Talksport would have a problem with it and probably say we are hindering young coaches progression and couldn't imagine a bald guy being successful or some over nonsense.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Huge gamble on a guy who hasn't done the job before !

I hope Chris Brunt and co are on board with this !  (genuinely)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 20, 2019, 11:30:30 AM
The sheer incompetence at the highest level of this football club never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 20, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(

"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.

For me, that's made up my mind that I don't want Jokanovic as our manager.

I want someone who wants to be our manager, who wants to manage the club, not someone who's probably outpriced himself and only interested/affordable if we get promoted.

No thanks, Next.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 20, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
Not for the first time in recent history, I find myself stunned by our lack of planning.  When we sacked DM, I had though it was with a really clear plan of what we would do next, i.e. a clear candidate lined up and ready to go.  That would have been somewhat harsh but understandable given recent performances.  It is now clear we had no such clear plan.  So we have sacked our manager to effectively default to a first team coach when we are virtually certain of a place in the playoffs.  This is madness, and cannot be the outcome the owner intended surely? 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 12:19:16 PM
For me, that's made up my mind that I don't want Jokanovic as our manager.

I want someone who wants to be our manager, who wants to manage the club, not someone who's probably outpriced himself and only interested/affordable if we get promoted.

No thanks, Next.

I wouldn't imagine all the blame is with Jokanovic, the way we perform over negotiations I wonder anyone is interested.
If he can't get £30k a week here then perhaps he's waiting for a job to come along that will pay him that much.
You can't blame the bloke.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tommcneill on March 20, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
There is a whole level of incompetence at this club. They literally dont know what they are doing.

JS has done well, but we need an experienced guy in to steer us through what could be a pivotal time for the club.

Id also like to see JS continue with our youth team.

Ill be shocked but not surprised if we dont appoint someone soon permanently or experienced enough to see us through till summer

Shocking management of our club
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Post by: baggieboyfred on March 20, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
can't fault JS for his 100% start and I think we will now make the play offs, but worried the board will then think that JS deserved a shot at the management , irrespective whether we get promotion or not .whatever happens an experienced manager is a must and in reality if the candidates they have in mind are not already working they need to get the appointment sorted before the end of the season.
also another potential event may happen to fall in our favour if Bolton go into liquidation and are not allowed to complete their fixtures it means their results are likely get expunged which then puts us only 4 points behind second automatic promotion spot, even more important to get experienced manager in
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 20, 2019, 12:32:19 PM
Easy option as usual from our clowns, it was so predictable and lazy you almost hope it backfires. No chance of promotion now and the new manager has lost out on the chance to get a head start on next season. Every time I think this club has a chance of moving forward they do the exact opposite of what is needed. Jokanovic should have been in place this week.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 12:36:58 PM
To sack Darren Moore, a relative managerial novice and replace him with someone who has two games under his managerial belt is one of the biggest pieces of incompetence I've seen - and god knows we've pushed it close.

It is a laughable decision to sack Darren Moore and not be able to have any plan as to what happens going forwards.
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Post by: Backofthenet on March 20, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
What an absolute shambles. This lot couldn't run a car boot sale.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 20, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
What an absolute shambles. This lot couldn't run a car boot sale.

True, probably run out of petrol before they got there.
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Post by: lewisant on March 20, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
Absolute disaster if Shan gets it in my humble.

Yes the results have been good but the football has just been back to basics and 3-0 flattered us v Swansea and Brentford missed some good chances v us.

I'm not convinced in the slightest by him.

If promotion was so crucial to sack Moore within an hour of the Ipswich game to give it to one of his backroom staff is just shambolic. Shanbolic.

I'm astounded really.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 01:04:15 PM
Jimmy Shan 1/2 to become the next PERMANENT manager with BETFRED  ???
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Post by: royhan on March 20, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
I sense a hidden agenda here. The club is saving wages by sacking three senior coaching staff (probably even after paying compensation) and the disinterested owners will probably sell at the end of the season with the new owners able to put their own men in place.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
I sense a hidden agenda here. The club is saving wages by sacking three senior coaching staff (probably even after paying compensation) and the disinterested owners will probably sell at the end of the season with the new owners able to put their own men in place.

The club will have to appoint an assistance in any event so not much of a saving cost here.

I cannot believe they will allow James Shan to go the remainder of the season without a right hand man.
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Post by: kris_boing on March 20, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Pathetic from the club.  I used to tire of JPs penny pinching and lack of forward thinking but the people running the club now are on another level of incompetence.

The sooner Lai sells up and takes Jenkins with him the better.
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Post by: Topman on March 20, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
To be honest I should of been upset when reading this like I was when Alan Irvine was brought in. However nothing surprises me anymore with things like this and wba. I’m actually laughing about how small time we are. I may considered whether I want to renew if it means this board and owners go
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
What's the matter with you lot? Seriously what's the problem and what's the hurry?

IF Shan gets us promoted you'll all do an about turn.

Someone said earlier words to the effect of that's our promotion chances gone. Utter nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. We have as good a chance as any of the other three that will end up in the play offs.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
I'm sure that James Shan is a fantastic chap, but this is the CV (from wiki admittedly) our owners are basing risking the future of the club on

James Shan
Personal information
Date of birth   28 October 1978 (age 40)
Place of birth   Bordesley Green, England

Club information
Current team      West Bromwich Albion (caretaker)

Youth career       Walsall

Senior career*
Years                     Team   Apps   (Gls)
Paget Rangers   
   
Teams managed
2014–2018   West Bromwich Albion (U23's)
2018–           West Bromwich Albion (First Team Coach)
2019–           West Bromwich Albion (caretaker)

I (as we all do) hope this is an inspired decision, but it really does make me wonder what its based upon.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?

I think sacking a head coach who has less than 50 games as a manager under his belt and replacing him with someone who has two games under his belt is a reason to get your knickers in a knot.

In sacking Moore the club admitted they got the appointment of a relative novice wrong - rather than learn the lessons they are going to do the same again - especially with so much at stake.

They wanted a quick appointment in readiness for the Swansea game and they ballsed it up.

They obviously want Jokanovic but it seems they do not want to pay the money to appoint him. This notion about him struggling to bed in, despite having two promotions on his CV is short-sighted in my view.

There are enough problems in the summer as it is without being required to appoint a head coach first.

The new man should be in now, taking a good look at the players in readiness for next season - regardless of the division
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Post by: Mo on March 20, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?

We have a big turnover of players due in the summer so it would have been ideal for the new man to assess what will be here and plan for what won’t . Given the apparent indecision over this choice there has to be little confidence in the board to get someone in quickly in the summer and even less confidence he will be provided with the necessary means to do his job .

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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:26:10 PM
I think sacking a head coach who has less than 50 games as a manager under his belt and replacing him with someone who has two games under his belt is a reason to get your knickers in a knot.



Why when Shan has a 100% record?

The stuff about Jokanavic is sheer conjecture based on press / media reports most of which have no substance at all and certainly not backed up with any form of evidence and / or direct quotes from anyone inside the club.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 20, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
What's the matter with you lot? Seriously what's the problem and what's the hurry?

IF Shan gets us promoted you'll all do an about turn.

Someone said earlier words to the effect of that's our promotion chances gone. Utter nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. We have as good a chance as any of the other three that will end up in the play offs.

You talk about the play-offs like they are a lottery - that's the same reason England kept losing on penalties. It's not a lottery, it's a test of ability, bottle, and managerial nous - and if we go into the play-offs without a proper manager, it's like entering a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.

We need a proper manager who understands tactics, and knows how to put them into place - not just a guy who seems to be letting the players do what they want.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
You talk about the play-offs like they are a lottery - that's the same reason England kept losing on penalties. It's not a lottery, it's a test of ability, bottle, and managerial nous - and if we go into the play-offs without a proper manager, it's like entering a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.



You're trying to tell me that Jimmy Shan could win every game from now till the end of the season then one defeat in the play off final is because we don't have a "proper" manager in place. No, doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 20, 2019, 01:29:03 PM
I've been a baggies fan since the 70's and have seen some poor managers come and go, but I always felt the club had a plan going forward. We've had two dinosaur managers and a rookie manager and now we are continuing our management downward spiral with another rookie manager albeit "on a temporary basis".
What happens if he takes us up?
You know the owners will look at the cheap option again.
All credit to JS and I will hope he is successful with the team, but this club is now a shadow of what it used to be.
A complete team rebuild is facing us at the end of the season and  I don't imagine many potential managers will want to deal with that prospect either.
Makes me sad to thinking about the club I love.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:29:50 PM

Why when Shan has a 100% record?

The stuff about Jokanavic is sheer conjecture based on press / media reports most of which have no substance at all and certainly not backed up with any form of evidence and / or direct quotes from anyone inside the club.

100% record??

He's managed two professional games !!

If Shan is appointed then it is cheap & lazy.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 20, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
Absolute joke! Jenkins fiddled whilst the club burnt. !! There was a certain justification in sacking DM but there is NO justification for the ostrich like proceedings since
By delaying they surely run the risk of their first choice being snapped by a higher bidder? I want and expect a decision within 48 hours of the end of our last game of the season whenever that is and whatever division we will be playing in next season. Not to do this would be a gross mid management of the club at one of the most important times in the modern history of our club!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
100% record??

He's managed two professional games !!

If Shan is appointed then it is cheap & lazy.

No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?
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Post by: frazzle on March 20, 2019, 01:33:04 PM
Joke. Maybe it’s true that Moore either let Jones go or went with him. Only justication.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
Well this is just turning in to an utter embarrassment, after the way Moore was treated I'm no longer surprised by the sheer incompetence of the board.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 01:35:23 PM
Joke. Maybe it’s true that Moore either let Jones go or went with him. Only justication.

I wonder if that conversation went along the lines of, we don't have any decent fit wide midfielders the ones you signed are rubbish we can aim for the play-offs a best.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 20, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
Very disappointing if true. The one saving grace is that Shan is much better tactically than than Moore/Jones and will be an upgrade albeit not the one we were all hoping for. If stories are to be believed, Shan setup the team for the last few games of last season despite DM being given the lions share of praise. Maybe this is the reason that the board are showing so much faith in Shan. As long as we stay tight at the back and keep clean sheets and concede less from poor defensive organisation and suicidal passing out from the back, our quality going forward will take care of the rest.
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Post by: Mo on March 20, 2019, 01:39:06 PM

You're trying to tell me that Jimmy Shan could win every game from now till the end of the season then one defeat in the play off final is because we don't have a "proper" manager in place. No, doesn't make any sense at all.

The blunt truth is we all know this is the cheapest get out for the club and yet again we throw a rookie under the bus knowing full well at some point he will be binned off with the rest of them yet those above play the we won’t bankrupt the club and everyone swoons at them . It’s about time they provided some answers instead of hiding .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:43:22 PM
No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?

He would & should be involved in the new set up - alongside a permanent head coach.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
The blunt truth is we all know this is the cheapest get out for the club and yet again we throw a rookie under the bus knowing full well at some point he will be binned off with the rest of them yet those above play the we won’t bankrupt the club and everyone swoons at them . It’s about time they provided some answers instead of hiding .


It's nothing to do with "cheap". Honestly, that's just a "cheap" (sorry  ;D) shot based on ignorance and conforming to the current popular theory circulating amongst fans that are making assessments based on nothing concrete just their natural negativity which is something that is commonplace generally among Albion fans who always play everything down. Contrast that with Villa / Wolves fans who are the complete opposite they always talk their clubs up, yes, at times ridiculously but that's the difference in mentality.

Bottom line FACt here that no-one can argue with because it is 100% FACT. Shan two games, two wins.

There is no need to constantly look at the negative.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?


We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:54:00 PM

We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.


So, if we can't get Jokanovic for whatever reason what then? Appoint someone we don't want for the sake of it? Appoint Allardyce because he's available and a "proper" manager.?

There's no need to panic, there really isn't.

PS! Appleton has nothing to do with this situation now whatsoever................ unless we appoint him as manager of course.

Just keep calm folks.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 01:55:48 PM

So, if we can't get Jokanovic for whatever reason what then? Appoint someone we don't want for the sake of it? Appoint Allardyce because he's available and a "proper" manager.?

There's no need to panic, there really isn't.

PS! Appleton has nothing to do with this situation now whatsoever................ unless we appoint him as manager of course.

Just keep calm folks.


Allardyce until the end of the season would be eminently preferable to sticking with Shan.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Why? He's right.

No he isn't.

Allardyce? There's 2,000 off the gate for a start. Wolves man. Do you not remember Ron Saunders and Brian Little?

Allardyce would be a disaster an absolute, catastrophic disaster which would tear the club apart.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 02:04:43 PM
The biggest fear for me with this route is IF Shan (and supporting coaches) get us promoted, then they would be in a very strong position to get the job fulltime. The whole situation is the same thing that happened this time last year with DM.



As I understand it (from Matt Wilson), it was GL who wanted DM as Head Coach, the board wanted to appoint Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 02:13:20 PM

We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.

Abso  bloody lutely  its just plain negligent to not give Shan every support at such a crucial time. 

In fact if it transpires that this is the "plan" every director should be summarily dismissed by the chairman for gross negligence.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:20:16 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I stated it is nonsense and it is so where is the offence?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I am guessing the manner in which you are currently putting your points across...

"Support the decision to appoint Shan or you are talking nonsense".
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:22:04 PM
I am guessing the manner in which you are currently putting your points across...

"Support the decision to appoint Shan or you are talking nonsense".


I didn't say that, read back.

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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:26:43 PM

I didn't say that, read back.

I can't your post got bombed  ;D

I have no issue with you wanting Shan appointed. You cite his record of 2 games 2 wins, but ultimately Darren had a fantastic record at the back end of last season, he was still a terrible head coach. Jacko, and I back him on it, stated that appointing an experienced manager until the end of the season would be a better alternative, even if that was an Allardyce, purely for the fact that big game decision making is something garnered over time. If it came to the crunch in a play off semi final, I would not back Shan to have the requisite experience to make the right calls.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
I can't your post got bombed  ;D

I have no issue with you wanting Shan appointed. You cite his record of 2 games 2 wins, but ultimately Darren had a fantastic record at the back end of last season, he was still a terrible head coach. Jacko, and I back him on it, stated that appointing an experienced manager until the end of the season would be a better alternative, even if that was an Allardyce, purely for the fact that big game decision making is something garnered over time. If it came to the crunch in a play off semi final, I would not back Shan to have the requisite experience to make the right calls.


I don't necessarily WANT Shan appointed I just don't see the need to hurry as things are far from desperate that is all. I'm not some Shan groupie or anything like that I just think people need to stop, think and keep things in perspective. Some people are acting like there's some sort of crisis. I don't see any crisis here by a long way.
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Post by: johnny Cash on March 20, 2019, 02:34:03 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I stated it is nonsense and it is so where is the offence?

Lai isnt the chairman is he?

Plus to be fair I think Albionic probably meant Lai should sack the senior managers and executive directors which I imagine as owner he can, rather than other shareholding directors.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:34:54 PM
Lai isnt the chairman is he?

Plus to be fair I think Albionic probably meant Lai should sack the senior managers and executive directors which I imagine as owner he can, rather than other shareholding directors.


No, Lai is the owner.

Li Piyue is the chairman or nearest we have to it.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:35:57 PM

I don't necessarily WANT Shan appointed I just don't see the need to hurry as things are far from desperate that is all. I'm not some Shan groupie or anything like that I just think people need to stop, think and keep things in perspective. Some people are acting like there's some sort of crisis. I don't see any crisis here by a long way.

I don't think anyone necessarily sees crisis, I think they see it more the way I have seen it all season, that this season, with this squad of players, is our best chance of getting back to the Premier League because if we fail to do so, it will need a complete rebuild next season and our owner shows no sign of putting in the requisite funds to make it a rebuild full of quality. So with this in mind, giving ourselves the best chance of getting up in the play offs has to be the current remit and the inexperienced Shan, for me and many others I assume, is not the man for the occasion, much as I would want nothing more than to be proven wrong were he given the role.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 02:41:14 PM
Posts which are accusing others of talking rubbish, nonsense or advising others to give their heads a wobble are being removed.

If it continues then there's 7 day bans, regardless of who you are or how long you have been a member on this forum.

If we're going to have these discussions - lets do it properly. 
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2019, 03:00:44 PM
I just don't really see what fantastic advantage a new manager can bring things right now with 8 + 2/3 to go, given the state of our squad.  Brunt and Morrison have come in for stick at times, but they, along with Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez, Gayle, Phillips and Barry know what they are doing on a football pitch and I can't see a new set of tactics having time to bed in - more likely to just confuse the issue.  Brunt looked like a leader on the pitch again at Brentford, so as long as Shan can make logical plain vanilla subs when needed, give the players a bit of licence to play.  Make a calm appointment for next season in whatever division later.  Tin hat on now.
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Post by: ComebackStrodds on March 20, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Alan Buckley was seen at the Hawthorne’s in talks to take over until the end of the season, excellent appointment.
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 03:05:49 PM

No, Lai is the owner.

Li Piyue is the chairman or nearest we have to it.

What Johnny says is what i meant !  Change chairman to owner, thanks for pointing out my error.
To be crystal clear, If Li Piyue is a part of this "process' then he should go as well.

BTW, I have no problem with Shan per se, I have an issue with the club hanging him out to dry. which is how I see the situation as it stands today.


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Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
For what its worth, Shan is more experienced that DM in terms of coaching. Granted doesn't have as much first team match day experience - but he's been involved with the first team throughout DM's reign, and he has years of experience coaching the youth/under 23's.

You could argue the fact he's a better choice as manager than Darren was. Afterall, we don't know who did most the work last season on a mini revival. Could be another case of Pepe Mel/Downing.

If he is to be given the rest of the season, then he just needs to continue doing what hes doing. Playing players in their positions, making substitutions which make sense and just seeing us through.

90% of the time the playoffs are decided by a moment of brilliance, once we get to those games then its up to the players to earn their money and show their 'class.'
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
We seem to be talking ourselves into Shan being appointed will be a good move........

It will be a gamble, a cheap option and ultimately a car crash once he hits a poor run of form, which is not fair on him.

Hopefully our board have a master plan, but there is no evidence of one at present.

Genuinely worried.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
We seem to be talking ourselves into Shan being appointed will be a good move........

It will be a gamble, a cheap option and ultimately a car crash once he hits a poor run of form, which is not fair on him.

Hopefully our board have a master plan, but there is no evidence of one at present.

Genuinely worried.

I think we are all aware its a gamble, but its less of a risk in my opinion to have Shan in now till the end of the season, than for example a 'Pepe Mel' type player who would want to change the style of play. We needed someone in place for this international break in all honesty, to give them chance to make a couple tweaks here and there and spend a bit of time with the players, that hasn't happened for whatever reason so it looks as though Shan is being given the task of seeing us into the playoffs.

If this season ends in failure, then the blame lies with the owners and the board, not Shan.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
For what its worth, Shan is more experienced that DM in terms of coaching. Granted doesn't have as much first team match day experience - but he's been involved with the first team throughout DM's reign, and he has years of experience coaching the youth/under 23's.

You could argue the fact he's a better choice as manager than Darren was. Afterall, we don't know who did most the work last season on a mini revival. Could be another case of Pepe Mel/Downing.

If he is to be given the rest of the season, then he just needs to continue doing what hes doing. Playing players in their positions, making substitutions which make sense and just seeing us through.

90% of the time the playoffs are decided by a moment of brilliance, once we get to those games then its up to the players to earn their money and show their 'class.'

Agreed, If only Kevin Phillips shot had gone under the bar instead of hitting it.  :(
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Post by: royhan on March 20, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
The longer this situation drags on the more suspicious I am becoming that there is a lot more to the three dismissals than meets the eye. Why would we get rid of Moore, such a club legend, at a crucial time of the season without having a replacement lined up? I suppose the truth will come out in the wash one day! Whatever the reason it is, as others have said, a shambolic state of affairs. We really need a football man at the helm not a business speculator such as Mr Lai who has so far been a total disaster. Our club deserves a lot better.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 20, 2019, 04:37:22 PM
the fans deserve a lot better than this tripe being served up by the club at the minute.

it is the cheap option as it always is at the albion with letting shan see us through the play offs and a huge gamble. we should have done our homework leading up to sacking moore, that has been proven we obviously didnt.

complete shambles by the club again. we should be appointing a manager this week who is proven and not too different of the style we are used to playing at who can work alongside Shan.

so pi**ed off with the club over this at the moment then get an email reminder about renewing my season ticket. joke.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2019, 05:09:47 PM
I woke up in a cold sweat last night, I’d dreamt Alan Pardew had been reappointed Head Coach. When I came round a bit more, I had a good chuckle to myself and suddenly stopped, started chivering and rethought myself “This is Albion”  :-X :-\ :'(
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Post by: divinewind on March 20, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
If Shan get's us up do we give him the job full time?
We are digging ourselves another hole like we did with Moore.
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Post by: divinewind on March 20, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
The longer this situation drags on the more suspicious I am becoming that there is a lot more to the three dismissals than meets the eye. Why would we get rid of Moore, such a club legend, at a crucial time of the season without having a replacement lined up? I suppose the truth will come out in the wash one day! Whatever the reason it is, as others have said, a shambolic state of affairs. We really need a football man at the helm not a business speculator such as Mr Lai who has so far been a total disaster. Our club deserves a lot better.

I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.
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Post by: Baggies on March 20, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.

I don't think there is any grand back story which has resulted in the spate of sackings over the last 15 months, it is just the sign of a poorly run club, not making good appointments or decisions, on a downward spiral.

This managerial search is proving to be a farce. May as well have kept Moore.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 20, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
we don't half make hard work of it. I'm not sure the club knows what it wants to do. would sooner get the long term option in now and if we fail to get up at least he's had a chance to see what he's got and what s needed. Don't see any point in appointing someone til the end of season.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.

I'm still convinced that fell out over the rubbish window. Murphy is the best of a bad bunch, johansen has been no where near the team and in my opinion was not needed. What was needed was two very good wide players.
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Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 20, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
What I don't like is that JS has been at the club more than a decade (has overseen Harper and Edwards and Field etc come through the academy) and that long term stability is being put at risk by asking him to take on immensely important games at the business end of the season.

If there is a guarantee that he will revert to his existing role after the season end whatever the outcome then I am less concerned but if there is a possibility that he will have to leave the club if he 'fails' then that would be a shambles in my view.
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Post by: sammyg on March 20, 2019, 07:00:07 PM
What I don't like is that JS has been at the club more than a decade (has overseen Harper and Edwards and Field etc come through the academy) and that long term stability is being put at risk by asking him to take on immensely important games at the business end of the season.

If there is a guarantee that he will revert to his existing role after the season end whatever the outcome then I am less concerned but if there is a possibility that he will have to leave the club if he 'fails' then that would be a shambles in my view.

A right jimmy shanbles!
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Post by: gerry m on March 20, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
I believe a poster said on here regarding hiring a coach and offering them a £2m bonus for getting us promoted. Surely this amounts to peanuts for the money we would accrue for being in the Premiership. To my mind anything less would mean a lack of ambition from the board.
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Post by: Barrington on March 20, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
I don't believe there was any unknown conspiracy behind the sackings of Moore and Jones.

I think that the board just believed that their methods were actively making us worse than would be achieved through just using a 'default' simple set up and tactics. I'm with them too. Moore and Jones kept trying to make a failing method of play a success when it was proven to be unsuccessful time and time again. They could have literally appointed any one of us with half a brain and let us simply tell the players to revert back to basics, and I believe we couldn't have been any worse than the pairing of Moore and Jones.

They let them go and we've won 2 on the bounce. Probably best to just keep it simple now for the final run in and tell the players that if they want to be Premier League players again, just go out there and try to win every remaining game of the season.

Not sure bringing in a new man with a whole set of new ideas is going to help too much at exactly this stage. We needed rid of Moore and Jones though.

Just my opinion.
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Post by: richjonawba on March 20, 2019, 08:26:32 PM
I don't believe there was any unknown conspiracy behind the sackings of Moore and Jones.

I think that the board just believed that their methods were actively making us worse than would be achieved through just using a 'default' simple set up and tactics. I'm with them too. Moore and Jones kept trying to make a failing method of play a success when it was proven to be unsuccessful time and time again. They could have literally appointed any one of us with half a brain and let us simply tell the players to revert back to basics, and I believe we couldn't have been any worse than the pairing of Moore and Jones.

They let them go and we've won 2 on the bounce. Probably best to just keep it simple now for the final run in and tell the players that if they want to be Premier League players again, just go out there and try to win every remaining game of the season.

Not sure bringing in a new man with a whole set of new ideas is going to help too much at exactly this stage. We needed rid of Moore and Jones though.

Just my opinion.

I agree with what you say, but I do feel sorry for Shan being chucked in at the deep end and I would like to see us employ someone to help him out, I think Shakespeare would be a good choice.

I am also disappointed, though not at all surprised, that the board didn't have any plan before sacking Moore (which they had been considering since November). What if Shan had lost the last two games? Who would have got the job then? The Under 10s coach?
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 08:44:51 PM
If we were mid table I could see the sense in keeping Shan to the end of the season and then looking for the best manager. With the play-offs so likely it is too much of a gamble to stick with him and what would happen if he somehow got us up?
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 09:16:40 PM
If we were mid table I could see the sense in keeping Shan to the end of the season and then looking for the best manager. With the play-offs so likely it is too much of a gamble to stick with him and what would happen if he somehow got us up?

IMO, you could argue that a mid table position is good grounds to install a new manager with a view to a promotion bid next season.
The fact that we still have a good chance of promotion this year, makes the selection of a new manager more complex, as we don't know what division we'll be in.

As others have said, I'm not sure what a new manager, who doesn't know the players, can bring to the party at this stage of the season.

Looking at James Shan's pre & post match interviews, I don't think he would expect it to be a full time appointment & especially in the EPL.
I'd be disappointed if JS  isn't retained in some capacity at the end of this process.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a left field appointment when JS's experienced help is named.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
IMO, you could argue that a mid table position is good grounds to install a new manager with a view to a promotion bid next season.
The fact that we still have a good chance of promotion this year, makes the selection of a new manager more complex, as we don't know what division we'll be in.

As others have said, I'm not sure what a new manager, who doesn't know the players, can bring to the party at this stage of the season.

Looking at James Shan's pre & post match interviews, I don't think he would expect it to be a full time appointment & especially in the EPL.
I'd be disappointed if JS  isn't retained in some capacity at the end of this process.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a left field appointment when JS's experienced help is named.

A new manager could bring a lot to the party in the play-offs that Shan wont be able to.
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Post by: WBArgo on March 20, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Lets back Shan until the end of the season. It's not ideal but based on early days he's actually done very well and in the immediate short-term has improved on the rut which Moore had found himself in.

Who knows, he could turn out to be excellent, if not then it's the clubs fault and not his.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
A new manager could bring a lot to the party in the play-offs that Shan wont be able to.

Could you give some examples?
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Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 10:28:33 PM
Considering that we don't know too much about what has happened (and what is now happening) at the club there seems to be some emotive language and harsh judgements flying about.

Shambles?
Really? I would reserve that for the time when WBA have such a run of results (and zero morale) as we suffered when the dad dancing charlatan was in charge.

Lack of progress in signing a new manager?
Although WBA have not achieved this objective, can anybody confirm who has been approached and what was their response, as all the so-called ITK clickbait journo's seem clueless and/or contradictory?  If not all this talk about cheap options and incompetence is mere uninformed speculation. I have not seen one syllable about Shan's future within the club after his caretaker role, but he is being promoted (negatively) as a long term appointee or alternatively being flung out on his ear.

Crisis?
When we face a 12 point deduction for FFP failures, or the players haven't been paid or the club faces administration, I will agree with the use of the word. Until then I will allow myself to be disappointed with the unfolding saga - nothing more.
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Post by: baggie82 on March 20, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Not appointing anyone is ridiculous IMV. Why not sack what’s left of the coaching team and let the players manage themselves? The past two games should have no bearing. If you choose your management on two matches that would be one hell of a constant merry go round. Why not just appoint Jokanovic and be done with it? Theresa May levels of dithering from the board. Pretty sure it’s going to backfire big time and leave the boardroom looking like gullible idiots.
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Post by: elkiellis on March 20, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
I think stick with Shan until the end of the season,a new manager might try and change things too much and not have enough games left to impose his style,Shan obviously knows the players and who can do what ie Edwards wouldn't have made the bench with Big Dave in charge last week.
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Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
Why not just appoint Jokanovic and be done with it? Theresa May levels of dithering from the board. Pretty sure it’s going to backfire big time and leave the boardroom looking like gullible idiots.
Unless you know definitively what the club have tried to do about signing SJ, your comments are totally unwarranted. Have you thought about the fact that WBA may well have been turned down?
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Post by: baggie82 on March 20, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
Unless you know definitively what the club have tried to do about signing SJ, your comments are totally unwarranted. Have you thought about the fact that WBA may well have been turned down?

Totally unwarranted is your aggression to an alternative view you don’t like. Why on earth would the club not have spoken to his agent and gauged his terms and ideas before even making the decision to sack Moore, how did Leicester managed to appoint Rogers in 24hrs? It would only have taken a few phone calls to work out if he was interested and his terms. He hasn’t spoken publicly and doesn’t have a job. Dice it up which every way you want, sacking the manager and his assistant and then having no idea what to do isn’t good enough.
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Post by: Standaman on March 20, 2019, 10:56:15 PM
Right now we have a roughly 25% chance of getting promoted most likely via the play-offs or looking at it another way we are most likely to be in the Championship next season. With just 8 games plus maybe 3 play-off fixtures I don't see any appointment really moving the dial on that much.

Shan has done the one obvious thing which is hit the reset button reintroduce the pragmatic (being kind here) type of football that seems to suit this squad. Realistically what is anyone else going to do? Work through a couple of games before they realise that's pretty much their only option and regress back to it or something pretty similar.

I am bewildered by the names being linked with us to help Shan to the end of the season in particular Appleton and or Shakespeare. It is crazy that we are back to a position that the Assistant will have far more experience than the Head Coach. If we appoint either they will become the de facto interim Head Coach even if Shan is fronting up the operation.

I think I read somewhere that Shan has ruled himself out of taking over on a permanent basis. Even if we are promoted the club should not try to persuade him otherwise. It is falling back into the mistake of assuming that the caretaker can step up. Moore did brilliantly across a few games at the end of last season but that wasn't the same as the being up to the task of getting us up this season which remains  a very different challenge.

 Maybe the end of the season is a better time to take a more considered approach to the appointment and which Division we are in has an obvious impact on the type of candidates we can attract, yet we are most likely to be in the Championship and I doubt whether the candidates will be very different to the ones that we realistically have now although the likes of Johnson or Neil would be easier to lure away from their clubs. 
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 10:57:10 PM
Could you give some examples?
We have no idea yet whether Shan has the tactical knowledge/experience to be able to cope in a difficult situation, so far he hasn't needed to come from behind or play with 10 men. When we go 1-0 down in the play-off final and go down to 10 men I would rather have a manager who will have experienced it before and will know what to do.
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Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 11:56:27 PM
Totally unwarranted is your aggression to an alternative view you don’t like. Why on earth would the club not have spoken to his agent and gauged his terms and ideas before even making the decision to sack Moore, how did Leicester managed to appoint Rogers in 24hrs? It would only have taken a few phone calls to work out if he was interested and his terms. He hasn’t spoken publicly and doesn’t have a job. Dice it up which every way you want, sacking the manager and his assistant and then having no idea what to do isn’t good enough.
You don't know why DM was fired.
You don't know SJ was even a target for the job. You don't know who the club may have spoken to or been knocked back by. Just keep slagging the club off without any facts.....
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 11:58:40 PM
You don't know he was even a target for the job. You don't know who the club may have spoken to or been knocked back by. Just keep slagging the club off without any facts.....


Not often I agree with 82, but if you don't think the club has made a balls up of this sacking/appointment I'm not sure what they would need to do wrong to incur your ire... It's an absolutely abysmal performance in what is a straightforward market especially when your prime target is out of work.
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Post by: Wigmore on March 21, 2019, 12:08:02 AM

Not often I agree with 82, but if you don't think the club has made a balls up of this sacking/appointment I'm not sure what they would need to do wrong to incur your ire... It's an absolutely abysmal performance in what is a straightforward market especially when your prime target is out of work.
Perhaps your prime target was not the club's prime target. :D
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
Perhaps your prime target was not the club's prime target. :D


Except it obviously was/is.
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Post by: stever60 on March 21, 2019, 03:15:09 AM

Except it obviously was/is.
and you know that how?
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 21, 2019, 04:21:19 AM
What concerns me most in this latest development is the lack of a vision (plan) / investment in the managerial position. The manager (head coach) of the team is arguably the most important appointment in the club. It would make sense to assign the right amount of money to make sure you get the right appointment. If you look back on our recent history the negligence, lack of vision and lack of investment in the manager has got us into the position we are in.
Let's go back and take a look...Di Matteo is the last manager we "prized" away from a team (and that was MK Dons in a lower division). We have refused to pay compensation and so have always employed managers out of work. Pepe Mel wasn't able to bring the backroom team he wanted because of money. Alan Irvine was such a shock at the time because we wouldn't pay money for managers that had certain demands and they wanted control but we wanted a "head coach". Pardew was mates with Nick Hammond and was out of work. When it comes to appointing managers Hodgson was the last one that felt like a coup or got me excited (where we paid good money to the manager) but we only got him because he failed at Liverpool and needed to rebuild his reputation and was also out of work. Pulis was out of work.
It just seems we don't want to invest in a decent manager and don't have a long term vision of what we want him to do. I have said it many times on here but in looking at our recent appointments who assumes anyone at the top of the club knows what they are doing. Look at this list and tell me what the thinking was.
Moore
Pardew
Pulis
Irvine
Mel
Clarke
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Post by: alwaysbilly on March 21, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
We have no idea yet whether Shan has the tactical knowledge/experience to be able to cope in a difficult situation, so far he hasn't needed to come from behind or play with 10 men. When we go 1-0 down in the play-off final and go down to 10 men I would rather have a manager who will have experienced it before and will know what to do.
Albeit the growing minority, I can’t get my head around th ‘don’t change it because we are winning thoughts.
What happens when/if:-
WBA 1 BIRMINGHAM 1
Millwall 0 WBA 0
Bristol C 4 WBA 0
WBA 1 Preston 2
WBA 1 Hull 1
3 PTS from 15, out of form and clinging to 6th place for a play off semi final vs a better team - season up in smoke and heading downhill.

My biggest worry is the past managerial decisions, (except Hodgson and Pulis*), have been cheap skate and small time.
*Pulis was a perfect choice for the position we were in and I am sure Peace would have fired him before last season even started.

Sleepwalking back to no mans land fast - such a wasted opportunity IMO
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Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
Considering that we don't know too much about what has happened (and what is now happening) at the club there seems to be some emotive language and harsh judgements flying about.

Shambles?
Really? I would reserve that for the time when WBA have such a run of results (and zero morale) as we suffered when the dad dancing charlatan was in charge.

Lack of progress in signing a new manager?
Although WBA have not achieved this objective, can anybody confirm who has been approached and what was their response, as all the so-called ITK clickbait journo's seem clueless and/or contradictory?  If not all this talk about cheap options and incompetence is mere uninformed speculation. I have not seen one syllable about Shan's future within the club after his caretaker role, but he is being promoted (negatively) as a long term appointee or alternatively being flung out on his ear.

Crisis?
When we face a 12 point deduction for FFP failures, or the players haven't been paid or the club faces administration, I will agree with the use of the word. Until then I will allow myself to be disappointed with the unfolding saga - nothing more.

You remind me of a bloke from way way back.
His name was Nero, I believe he was a bit of a violin player.
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 21, 2019, 06:44:17 AM

Except it obviously was/is.
I Know for a fact it wasn't and have stated in a previous post who the prime target was and why he's not at the club at the moment.
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Post by: tommcneill on March 21, 2019, 06:47:16 AM

I didn't say that, read back.

No but you did say people are talking nonsense, which will get deleted. Simple

Same as ‘give your head a wobble’. Debate without getting personal and your posts won’t get deleted
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Post by: colinmax on March 21, 2019, 07:03:24 AM
We don't know what any appointed manager will achieve but what has Shan achieved so far?
He managed to upset Brentford manager for being defensive and also his admiration for how we played.
After all we did have more than a dozen corners.
He has left out Harper who is promising but not good enough for a certain start.
Left out Livermore who offers very little but always seemed to start under DM.
Picked Kyle Edwards who should have been given a chance at the start of the season.
I would like to see how he proceeds before rushing to make an appointment.
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Post by: Wigmore on March 21, 2019, 08:06:03 AM
You remind me of a bloke from way way back.
His name was Nero, I believe he was a bit of a violin player.

Your historical knowledge is as poor as your knowledge of what is happening within WBAFC. :D
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 21, 2019, 08:15:58 AM
Albeit the growing minority, I can’t get my head around th ‘don’t change it because we are winning thoughts.
What happens when/if:-
WBA 1 BIRMINGHAM 1
Millwall 0 WBA 0
Bristol C 4 WBA 0
WBA 1 Preston 2
WBA 1 Hull 1
3 PTS from 15, out of form and clinging to 6th place for a play off semi final vs a better team - season up in smoke and heading downhill.

My biggest worry is the past managerial decisions, (except Hodgson and Pulis*), have been cheap skate and small time.
*Pulis was a perfect choice for the position we were in and I am sure Peace would have fired him before last season even started.

Sleepwalking back to no mans land fast - such a wasted opportunity IMO

IMO the reasoning behind leaving JS in place for the remainder of the season is far deeper than "don't change it because we're winning".
As you pointed out, there is a risk, but there is also clearly a synergy in the club at the moment, that wasn't there with DM/GJ.
Making a permanent appointment at this stage wouldn't guarantee promotion, & I'm not sure we'd gain any longer term advantage either.

I'm not advocating JS as a longer term solution, but I do think it's worth the risk, provided we do make a permanent appointment early in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 21, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
The more I think about it the more I think it is non sensical NOT to appoint new manager ASAP.  Surely any new bloke will need time to asses what he has and what will be needed playing wise for whatever division we find ourselves in. We have so many loans and out of contract situations to be resolved or replaced it won't be possible to do all the necessary if the appoint ments get left until the start of pre season, add to this any scouting /coaching changes that the incoming may want to make..As the sackings had apparently been under consideration since November the powers that be should have had plenty of time to consider who the next taxi on the rank should be and the delay is inexcusable !!
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Post by: seteefeet on March 21, 2019, 09:37:21 AM
Surely the "cheap" option would have been to keep Moore, as, i presume, we will now have to pay him and Jones off?
I think there has to be more to the sacking than a run of 3 bad results (I don't believe for a second that style of play or pi$$ing about at the back had anything to do with it as neither  Lai nor Jenkins know anything about football or care one jot about fans opinion. Yes our home form was poor but that was offset with terrific away form so the win % was still very good.). If not then it is a serious, and costly, error on their part to do it without having a definitive plan to see out the season.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 21, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
......... anybody would think we don't have a clear plan moving forward, imagine that  :o  ;) .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: boinging_along on March 21, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
You don't need to know much about football to know that our tactics were consistantly causing us problems at the back.
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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
The more I think about it the more I think it is non sensical NOT to appoint new manager ASAP.  Surely any new bloke will need time to asses what he has and what will be needed playing wise for whatever division we find ourselves in. We have so many loans and out of contract situations to be resolved or replaced it won't be possible to do all the necessary if the appoint ments get left until the start of pre season, add to this any scouting /coaching changes that the incoming may want to make..As the sackings had apparently been under consideration since November the powers that be should have had plenty of time to consider who the next taxi on the rank should be and the delay is inexcusable !!

Thats alright, but until the club know which division we will be in, its impossible to set budgets. Without a budget, what job do we "sell" to a prospective manager ?
I can see the issue the club faces with appointing a permanent manager at the moment (which they should have foreseen), and I can see that a "temporary solution" is the way forward, however its imperative that the temp solution is given EVERY tool and motivation available, thats why i would advocate an SGM (or equivalent, can there be one?) to support and advise Shan. Would SGM do it AGAIN? god and SGM are the only ones who can answer that. Also Shan would have to want / accept this support.
One final thought JS appears to have done a good job with the kids, he should be given some form of guarantee that his job is secure long term, otherwise one bad result or refereeing decision could seriously undermine his confidence and therefore performance.

Thems my onions anyway.
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Post by: lewisant on March 21, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
I guess if Shan gets an experienced person to assist it might be ok! Really depends who it is.

I don't know why would sack Moore so hastily though and then not go all out for an adequate replacement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on March 21, 2019, 09:54:57 AM
If The management had lined up someone to take over following the sacking of DM then I would agree that to get him in straightaway would have been the right approach.  However, they didn't and I can't see an advantage of rushing someone in for the last games of the season - certainly not some of the names that have been bandied about.

At least Shan knows the capabilities of the players - including the young players.  It should be made clear that he is the caretaker.

I'm not bothered either way whether we are promoted straight back to a league in which we serve as the equivalent of film extras or cannon fodder to the richest teams.   Non-promotion might even persuade GL to cut his losses and sell us off at a discount.  It just depends what sort of club we want.  I dare say an Allardyce / Pulis hybrid could keep us in the PL by playing drab football and sacrificing any cup ambitions. 

So let's not make any desperate moves or we will end up with Pardew mark 2  (I won't say or worse: such a creature does not exist)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: richjonawba on March 21, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
Perhaps they really really want Wagner and he has intimated that he is interested whether we go up or not, and they are therefore happy to wait until the end of the season to employ him permanently. That would suggest they are not too concerned about us staying in the Championship. None of this says anything about their reasoning behind sacking Moore though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 21, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
in summary its a complete joke and **** poor management again by the club.

appointing a manager in the summer and he really needs to hit that ground running come august.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 21, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
......... anybody would think we don't have a clear plan moving forward, imagine that  :o  ;) .
Has Theresa May joined the board ?? ;D ;D >:(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on March 21, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 21, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
I Know for a fact it wasn't and have stated in a previous post who the prime target was and why he's not at the club at the moment.

To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: silver surfer on March 21, 2019, 12:56:33 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!
And to pick his office furniture.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks

I think it was Wagner from Huddersfield
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 21, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks


No-one actually knows. It's all conjecture. Names brought forward by press / media with absolutely no direct quotes from anybody within West Bromwich Albion as to who is / isn't being considered as head coach.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 21, 2019, 01:26:20 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!


i heard it was all about the meatballs
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 21, 2019, 02:12:08 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks

I have just had a look at his previous posts and he has mentioned two names:

post 1 - I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.

post 2 - Daniel Stendel

So I would assume he's on about Wagner as the Stendel comment (Barnsley manager) was replying to someone saying they would love Dowling to pull a random name out the hat that's unexpected.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 02:18:49 PM
It's not Wagner. Dowling wants Jokanovic. No idea what they are thinking not pulling the trigger now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 21, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
I have just had a look at his previous posts and he has mentioned two names:

post 1 - I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.

post 2 - Daniel Stendel

So I would assume he's on about Wagner as the Stendel comment (Barnsley manager) was replying to someone saying they would love Dowling to pull a random name out the hat that's unexpected.


An opinion, nothing more.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 02:43:25 PM
It's not Wagner. Dowling wants Jokanovic. No idea what they are thinking not pulling the trigger now.

and you know that how? not saying you don't know, just interested in your source(s)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
and you know that how? not saying you don't know, just interested in your source(s)


Boiler man told me...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 03:03:37 PM

Boiler man told me...

I'll take that as Gospel then !  ???
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 21, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
Few rumours floating about that Steven Reid could be coming in as the 'extra pair of hands' for Shan.

I can see it being someone in the mould of Reid or even Kevin Phillips. As opposed to Shakespeare/Appleton coming in and probably feeling though they should be in charge.

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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 03:46:25 PM
any man who plays on with a broken leg deserves respect, 
When here he seemed a top bloke.

as for Riedy's coaching ability / motivational skills, I have no opinion to offer,
Top blokes don't always make top coaches do they?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
No time for Reid. His disrespect towards Pepe Mel tainted an already no better than mediocre Albion career.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 21, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
Don't think Jenkins or board are up to job at the Albion as this fiasco shows and need replacing. Looks to me that certain players have too much sway at this club and need to be taken down a peg or two.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2019, 09:46:48 PM
Few rumours floating about that Steven Reid could be coming in as the 'extra pair of hands' for Shan.

I can see it being someone in the mould of Reid or even Kevin Phillips. As opposed to Shakespeare/Appleton coming in and probably feeling though they should be in charge.

I thought he was with Roy at Palace
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 21, 2019, 10:17:08 PM
I thought he was with Roy at Palace

Left last year due to personal reasons, had a spell at AFC Wimbledon but left there as well
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: chipperclark on March 21, 2019, 11:19:09 PM
 ;D Always thought the "Tea-Lady"could do a good job as assistant coach!!! But there again her wage demands may be too high. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on March 21, 2019, 11:36:42 PM
The 10,000 dollar question: which is the most shambolic - our handling of the managerial situation or the government’s handling of Brexit? Answers on a postcard  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pureade1 on March 22, 2019, 09:44:51 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 22, 2019, 10:16:47 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.

After he bought you a beer as well? Thats gratitude for you!

I agree with you BTW :)
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Post by: baggiemart on March 22, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.

I've got to agree.

Darren Moore is just too much of a nice guy to be a football manager. But what Albion have done is just unforgivable. We are still in the thick of a promotion race and what the Albion management have done is take our manager away with 10 games to go and have refused to bring another one in.What other club would do that. In fact I can't recall another club doing it ever.  No doubt someone will prove me wrong.

If they had no intention of bringing a new guy in they should have stuck with Darren Moore until the end of the season.  Shan is doing a good job but he's no football manager.

If we fail to get promotion the blame should be aimed 100% at the management of the club. 

My interpretation of how it works is that   Lai owns the club but the running of the club is down to Jenkins and the board and that is where the problem lies. If Jenkins and the board had said to Lai keep Moore until the end of the season he would still be there.

I think all this will blow any chance of being promoted.

It just reminds me of the brexit fiasco. But one day , the next elections, we will get these MPs out who have caused this brexit mess but I don't know how we get the West Brom board out.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggyman68 on March 22, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.
You gotta blame Mr Peace for this mess. He always said he would only sell to someone who would take the club forward.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion, Lai is not very good at all things football.

Amongst other things, he over pays for a football club.

Then HEbuys a footballer, whose talents are questionable and doesn’t appear to have played much football and he then cuts his losses and sells. I always thought this was a misjudged move on his part, a gamble that didn’t pay off for him.

I wonder what other of his footballing assets might be next up for the auctioneers hammer?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Blowee on March 22, 2019, 05:11:59 PM
Have I missed some kind of official announcement on the next manager from the club? Have they stated that JS will remain in charge until the end of the season? If not, surely they are still looking to make an appointment?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 22, 2019, 05:24:09 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Manc Baggie on March 22, 2019, 05:25:03 PM
In summary, the search for the new manager is being 'lead' by a board that collectively couldn't find their own arses with both hands.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbarenno on March 22, 2019, 06:08:33 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.

We got a free beer the first game he was in charge  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: garry on March 22, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.
...compared to Peace, who ran a very tight ship.
The ship is now running without a rudder.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 22, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
I've got to agree.

Darren Moore is just too much of a nice guy to be a football manager. But what Albion have done is just unforgivable. We are still in the thick of a promotion race and what the Albion management have done is take our manager away with 10 games to go and have refused to bring another one in.What other club would do that. In fact I can't recall another club doing it ever.  No doubt someone will prove me wrong.

If they had no intention of bringing a new guy in they should have stuck with Darren Moore until the end of the season.  Shan is doing a good job but he's no football manager.

If we fail to get promotion the blame should be aimed 100% at the management of the club. 

My interpretation of how it works is that   Lai owns the club but the running of the club is down to Jenkins and the board and that is where the problem lies. If Jenkins and the board had said to Lai keep Moore until the end of the season he would still be there.

I think all this will blow any chance of being promoted.


It just reminds me of the brexit fiasco. But one day , the next elections, we will get these MPs out who have caused this brexit mess but I don't know how we get the West Brom board out.

All of this. Esp the bold bits.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 23, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
...compared to Peace, who ran a very tight ship.
The ship is now running without a rudder.

A good assessment, under Peace we knew what we would be getting every window,...nothing to shout about, but now we sack a manager with no replacement on the horizon.
It wouldn't be so bad if this wasn't one of the most important seasons in our history. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

For all my dislike of JP, i doubt very much if he would have given the job this season to a novice. His priority would have been top two.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: johnny Cash on March 23, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
You gotta blame Mr Peace for this mess. He always said he would only sell to someone who would take the club forward.

I thought Peace did a fantastic job. However, how he sold the club has soured his reputation and legacy somewhat for me. It was never about finding the right buyer, it was about getting the right price.

As for Lai, there are ways to make money in football. Buying a mid table premiership team isn't it.

If the Wolves owners have any sense, they will cash out on Wolves at £200m in a couple of years, make healthy profits, disappear and leave the drama with someone else foolish enough.


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Post by: divinewind on March 23, 2019, 11:51:08 AM
Personally i think Lai is more interested in promoting the game in China, by using our name than he is of showing any interest in our club itself.
When he bought us we were the only club in the premiership with Chinese owners. Our stock has fallen in China, we should have been the most well known club in that country given the 78 tour.
Now Wolves are the top team in the midlands and in China.
Galling if the rumours are true that Peace turned down Fosun 12 months before selling us to Lai.

Peace was always only in it for himself.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on March 23, 2019, 02:04:56 PM
We were the only midlands club in the premier league. We had Pulis as manager. Massive opportunity missed through selection of manager. We wouldn’t be in the state we are in if it weren’t for Pulis.
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Post by: Dexy on March 23, 2019, 02:15:24 PM
We were the only midlands club in the premier league. We had Pulis as manager. Massive opportunity missed through selection of manager. We wouldn’t be in the state we are in if it weren’t for Pulis.
Bit one sided mate , we had to have Pulis because JP took a risk on Irvine.
Pulis played his part but should have gone at the end of his last full season with a thanks and a hand shake.
Now , back on topic.. :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 23, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Does anyone know where this rumour/story about peace rejecting fosun is from, any link etc.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 23, 2019, 05:41:29 PM
TP out of contract in June ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Aixelsyd on March 23, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
Does anyone know where this rumour/story about peace rejecting fosun is from, any link etc.

I'd cry BS on that one....   

more likely to have been Doctor Tony he rejected..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: superkev on March 24, 2019, 09:46:28 AM
It WAS Dr Tony
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 24, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
200 million pound
Think about that.....

How many of us will ever have access to that,how many will have that much disposable so we can buy a football team?
I love my club,I genuinely believe we have one of the best and funniest sets of fans...I used to believe that we also had a good general understanding of where we were,who we are and where we came from...
It’s not exclusive to us,but how easy is it to call someone a tight backside for not shelling out 15mill on a player (plus wages over a 5 year contract),sometimes it’s all to easy to sit and tell the owner what he should/shouldn’t be doing with his money because we contributed £339 in 2015 and purchased two bobbly hats
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Post by: tuamigos on March 24, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
200 million pound
Think about that.....

How many of us will ever have access to that,how many will have that much disposable so we can buy a football team?
I love my club,I genuinely believe we have one of the best and funniest sets of fans...I used to believe that we also had a good general understanding of where we were,who we are and where we came from...
It’s not exclusive to us,but how easy is it to call someone a tight backside for not shelling out 15mill on a player (plus wages over a 5 year contract),sometimes it’s all to easy to sit and tell the owner what he should/shouldn’t be doing with his money because we contributed £339 in 2015 and purchased two bobbly hats

and a replica shirt  8)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 24, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 24, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.


Derby, Vile and Sheffield Weds are the next on the FFP hitlist. No wonder they're taking precautions.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 09:06:54 AM
I was thinking about the cake and a**e party that was going on down at our club over the weekend. Has there been any sort of official statement from the club in respect of the managerial position?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 25, 2019, 09:40:47 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 10:18:11 AM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?

There is just too much 'Deja Vu' for my liking..........

I can accept the DM sacking if there had been a successor already waiting, but clearly there wasn't....unbelievably poor planning from Jenkins and co. As I said earlier, a communication of some description would be nice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 10:35:13 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!
I have to say, that I was at Brentford, and saw this person, who was setting out markers at half-time right in front of us , and was largely ignored by our subs who were busy playing "pig-in-the -middle" with Jacob Murphy in the middle.
I have no idea who he was but he just did not look very professional.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 25, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
sounds like'
'win the game against Blues Jim, and you get the game against Millwall'
All sounds quite amateurish to me.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!

You are being plain daft now Albionic, we all know the teaboy is running the club........
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
complete shambles by the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 25, 2019, 12:01:47 PM
I'm not surprised by much our club do recently. Standing back and looking at this, giving the directors the benefit of the doubt (and in the recurring vacuum of communication from the club to us as usual)

1) we have some great youngsters (hopefully we keep em.........)

2) we have the foundation of a good championship team next year if we're able to sell a couple and rebuild using the funds

3) keep Jimmy Shan and add one coaches around him and one head coach above him - then we might be returning the system which proved successful longer term until Pulis ripped it up (keep core coaches then replace the head coach to bring fresh ideas from time to time whilst retaining core structure)

Although, maybe this is how a normal, sensible club would work that doesn't panic.........nuff said

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pureade1 on March 25, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
I am not sure why you all expected differently?

This was one of the major reservations that was held against sacking Moore.

The alternatives are not good enough and the club cannot be trusted to oversee such a big change.

I dread the summer..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 25, 2019, 12:57:14 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?

Have you agreed contract details with the people you have identified as back -up, or are they, in a similar position to WBA's, on a wish list?

Also, let's say you have identified an outstanding potential candidate for a position, one who could really take your business forward,but they wouldn't be available for a few months.
Waiting for them would mean, relying on the existing team (some of whom lack experience) to get you over short term hurdles, but doesn't put the business itself at risk.
Would you wait, or chose not take the risk & move on to a less ideal candidate?

Matt Wilson's article says that James Shan, is not being hung out to dry.
He won't be offered the HC position & will still be at WBA next season, hopefully as an assistant HC.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 02:38:29 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?

The way we are going it maybe soon....


and to answer your final point, no I dont see the owner funding a new squad at all, and that is what worries me if we were to go up. Likewise with the inevitable 'churn' that is going to happen in the summer I don't see him funding new players if we do not get promoted either.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 25, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
Shambolic from the club.

Just go and get Appleton / Shakespeare to support Jimmy until the end of the season for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 02:59:15 PM
Shambolic from the club.

Just go and get Appleton / Shakespeare to support Jimmy until the end of the season for goodness sake.

No Appleton. id rather have steve bull helping jimmy.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 25, 2019, 03:01:12 PM
I have to say, that I was at Brentford, and saw this person, who was setting out markers at half-time right in front of us , and was largely ignored by our subs who were busy playing "pig-in-the -middle" with Jacob Murphy in the middle.

Yep, saw it. Same as most half times when they don't really want to do the running he tries to get them doing, its even worse when Myhill is on the bench, he just does what he likes
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 25, 2019, 03:04:54 PM
Whatever happens now it's too late, the damage has allready been done to the supporters faith in their ability to get anything right 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Yep, saw it. Same as most half times when they don't really want to do the running he tries to get them doing, its even worse when Myhill is on the bench, he just does what he likes
Agree entirely Oldbury, I would rather take any other keeper as third (cover) keeper than Myhill ! I cannot believe that we gave another contract to that waster.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 25, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
I despair, this latest fiasco even out does the normal Albion fiasco by quite some considerable distance.

I know, let's draw straws amongst all our coaches to see how gets the next game. It's way passed embarrassing and down right humiliating.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 25, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.

Ah, he wouldn't. Would he?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 25, 2019, 07:16:10 PM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?

Yep this show has been going on a LONG time and seen a fair few managers through the door...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 25, 2019, 07:49:13 PM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?
So here's a question, do we have a better chance of going up with the Brunt/Morrison show back or with an unpredictable new face in?  Never mind next season, just for the next 8/10/11 games?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 25, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
Reading between the lines, we appear to have gotten ourselves into a situation where
-Jokanovic has agreed to go back and manage Fulham in the summer, after we couldn't decide to offer him a short term contract or longer deal, given unsure what league we will be in next season and his agent's big dollar demands.
-Wagner isn't available until the summer (as he announced months ago when he stood down) not sure why the club would want him given he built a Huddersfield team that could barely muster a shot on goal, Pulis football.
-O'Neil, a successful championship manager, probably our target if we don't go up, unable to prise him from Preston given stage of the season and the promotion push.

So given the above the board don't know what to do so have decided to wait and see with a view to not making any decision until the summer, as then we have more choice. BUT in doing so they are not exactly concentrating on promotion this season are they?

What is most disturbing to me is that all of the problems / limitations / contract situations / choices with potential managers should have been known to the board BEFORE they sacked Moore. It just smacks of a boardroom that are inept.

Do you trust them to get it right in the summer? I don't. It was only last summer they appointed Moore, after a long caretaker spell only to then decide he was out of his depth, and to solve that by appointing his junior with even less experience!

Then to top it off as a poster above has mentioned they haven't had the courtesy to update the fans. Probably as they don't know their own strategy from one day to the next and are embarrassed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 26, 2019, 02:10:58 AM
Who has replaced the three coaches who were relieved of their duties, Jimmy and who? And what part of club did they come from and who has taken over their positions?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 26, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Reading between the lines, we appear to have gotten ourselves into a situation where
-Jokanovic has agreed to go back and manage Fulham in the summer, after we couldn't decide to offer him a short term contract or longer deal, given unsure what league we will be in next season and his agent's big dollar demands.
-Wagner isn't available until the summer (as he announced months ago when he stood down) not sure why the club would want him given he built a Huddersfield team that could barely muster a shot on goal, Pulis football.
-O'Neil, a successful championship manager, probably our target if we don't go up, unable to prise him from Preston given stage of the season and the promotion push.

So given the above the board don't know what to do so have decided to wait and see with a view to not making any decision until the summer, as then we have more choice. BUT in doing so they are not exactly concentrating on promotion this season are they?

What is most disturbing to me is that all of the problems / limitations / contract situations / choices with potential managers should have been known to the board BEFORE they sacked Moore. It just smacks of a boardroom that are inept.

Do you trust them to get it right in the summer? I don't. It was only last summer they appointed Moore, after a long caretaker spell only to then decide he was out of his depth, and to solve that by appointing his junior with even less experience!

Then to top it off as a poster above has mentioned they haven't had the courtesy to update the fans. Probably as they don't know their own strategy from one day to the next and are embarrassed.

I am not sure they did to be honest, I think Jones was the issue, and Darren went because of his loyalty to his friend. Only my opinion though.........

I will accept that Darren was learning his trade and making what many would see as errors, but you do not get to 4th in the league when you are out of your depth. To me something else went on there, and several posters were pointing out early on that Jones seemed to be having a big influence. You could see that on matchdays through the interaction on the sideline.

All that said, to give him the sack and not have a replacement lined up is bad planning, unless the situation very quickly became untenable and our board were not actually planning on taking this course of action, but were left with no option.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 08:32:00 AM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 26, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
There is no pressure on him, its win win in his case as he is not being considered for the fulltime vacancy anyway, if he gets us up it builds his reputation as a coach, if he doesn't people will move the blame elsewhere.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 26, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
What Ollie the Baggie says, the lack of communication is absolute $#1T and adding insult to injury.

They can't make a decent decision on anything and without some kind of board changes we are going nowhere fast.

The team are 4th in spite of everything the management foul up IMO.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 02:01:40 PM
I am genuinely appalled by the clubs management of this situation. How have several weeks passed and we're still not showing signs of bringing in an experienced manager, or even being communicated with. I jokingly said the day after Darren Moore's sacking that we'll probably appoint Shan in order to save a few quid. Let me repeat, I said that as a joke thinking it wasn't ever going to happen. But of course, as each day passes by, it becomes ever more likely that we're going to be let down yet again, and a joke is exactly what we're becoming.

I would really love to know the clubs plan for appointing new staff for when Shan gets sacked if given the job? This board can't even appoint one competent member of staff (i.e a manager) without making a complete balls up of it almost every time, so how's everyone's faith in our board to appoint a new HC, coaching staff, Head of Youth Dev, Under 23s manager/coaching staff and whoever else we've promoted out of idle laziness. We're playing a very dangerous game here, we're ripping out some of the fundamental roots from which we've spent our most successful period in 20 years. We've already lost a key member of staff in Darren Moore and every time we hastily appoint another one who's doomed to a swift sacking it shown they aren't up to it, we're losing more. These staff need replacing and we have a board who've shown time and time again that they're not capable of doing that.

The clubs communication certainly seems to be fine when they're marketing their new early bird season ticket offers, it's funny how we're expected to rush out to make decisions, yet it takes them weeks to decide on one that's self imposed. We should have got Jovanovic within days of Darren Moore's appointment, he should have been here for a couple of weeks by now, implementing his plan. Instead, we sit here with no idea what's happening, looking at the possibility of making another lazy appointment because the board don't want to pay a good manager good money for a good outcome.

It's been widely reported that James Shan is not being considered for the full time position.

Flavour of the month, at the moment, is the German coaching model. I suspect that David Wagner is the preferred candidate, & the board are conducting a holding operation until the summer.
I also suspect the reason there has been no announcement, is there is nothing to announce.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 26, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Makes Moore's sacking even more ridiculous and proves beyond doubt, IMO, that it was nothing to do with style of play. The clowns making these decisions know nothing about football and have made a kneejerk reaction to 3 bad results, sacrificing Moore to save their own skins when facing a grilling in China. Now they have no plan B so are offering up Shan as the next sacrificial lamb.
Until we get someone at board level with some knowledge of the game, we will continue to lumber from one disaster to another.
I am fully expecting the next appointment to be a throw back to a Pulis type, safe pair of hands. Won't have to worry about the old playing it out from the back then though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
Have some patience. We'll have a much wider choice of managers at the end of the season. No need to just rush someone in for the sake of it. And yes, Moore and his mate did have to go, even if we had no-one else lined up.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 26, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
Have some patience. We'll have a much wider choice of managers at the end of the season. No need to just rush someone in for the sake of it. And yes, Moore and his mate did have to go, even if we had no-one else lined up.

Do you really believe that?  ::)
We'll have the choice of a couple of out of work journeymen managers so that we don't have to pay compensation to and we can pay the minimum wage required.
Expect to be underwhelmed with the new bloke as well.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 26, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)
So you think the board have got this spot on then?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 04:23:36 PM
I wouldn't know exactly what's gone on behind the scenes as far as the managerial search is concerned, so I couldn't really make an informed call on that one at this point.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 04:52:35 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)

Potentially, as things stand,the club is looking at 2 Job Descriptions - one for an EPL Manager & one for an EFL Manager.
I agree with you, there are loads of Managers who would jump at the chance to manage an EPL club.
IMO there would be less demand for an EFL position, but still enough to give us a good choice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 26, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
On the contrary. This interview sounds as though he knows what he’s doing, and he doesn’t need further staff to muddy the waters. May I also add, it’s good to read a pre match interview with so few cliches. COYB.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 06:20:08 PM
On the contrary. This interview sounds as though he knows what he’s doing, and he doesn’t need further staff to muddy the waters. May I also add, it’s good to read a pre match interview with so few cliches. COYB.

I've no doubt he does know what he's doing, but he needs to get the Directors onside as well as the players & staff, especially Luke Dowling.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: rajesh-wba on March 26, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/managerial-dream-team-could-fire-16031127?fbclid=IwAR0TRGPkpH8rCYcAyDomA96pwP4gX4Gd0roCZxPYyfyN6qtM_8wf_LqPoqw

Interesting piece.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 26, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
West Bromwich Albion reach huge head coach decision - reports

I know this will come as a great shock to many of you, but a decision appears to have been made

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-reach-huge-16031763.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on March 26, 2019, 09:26:43 PM
If we don't have a settled coaching team in place at the start of the summer, it will work as a disincentive for the better more ambitious players to stay at the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 27, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
West Bromwich Albion reach huge head coach decision - reports

I know this will come as a great shock to many of you, but a decision appears to have been made

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-reach-huge-16031763.amp?__twitter_impression=true

If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 27, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS


I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on March 27, 2019, 01:14:49 PM

I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.

Whoever it is will have to get on with free transfers, loan signings , and academy graduates whatever the division .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 27, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS

Nursey's article is at odds with other media articles on the subject.

Most correspondents suggest that James Shan has been given Friday's game against Birmingham, & subject to our performance in that game would be given the remainder of the season.
James Shan also has an option of bringing in some experienced help, which he has declined for the Birmingham game.

Personally, I'm not seeing a "make do" attitude, & surely Luke Dowling is providing "football knowledge" to the decision making process.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 27, 2019, 01:26:56 PM

I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.

I'd argue that appointing a manager now would be key to being in a higher division next season, rather than write off our best chance.

Whoever the manager is next season will need to rip up the squad and start again, whichever division we're in, so why not give them the rest of this season to have a look at the squad, decide if he wants to try and keep any, and maybe even get promotion.

But no, we'll end up with Shan, and be in the exact same situation in 12 months time when he doesn't work out because he's a very good coach who can't step up to handle the added demands of management. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2019, 01:57:11 PM
I'd argue that appointing a manager now would be key to being in a higher division next season, rather than write off our best chance.

Whoever the manager is next season will need to rip up the squad and start again, whichever division we're in, so why not give them the rest of this season to have a look at the squad, decide if he wants to try and keep any, and maybe even get promotion.

But no, we'll end up with Shan, and be in the exact same situation in 12 months time when he doesn't work out because he's a very good coach who can't step up to handle the added demands of management. Brilliant.

Thing is, that probably hasn't even occurred to our clueless board.

Anyway I'd heard they are waiting to give May the job as soon as she's available.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 27, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
 Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: johnny Cash on March 27, 2019, 02:34:14 PM
Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.


Looks like its actually 14 if you are counting caretakers. If you are not then its not 13. Not that its much better but you could also say its 14 in 13 years rather than 14 in 10 in you want to make the stats slightly more favourable.

Tony Mowbray 18 October 2006 - 16 June 2009
Roberto Di Matteo 30 June 2009   6 February 2011   
Michael Appleton 6 February 2011 - 14 February 2011   
Roy Hodgson 14 February 2011- 1 May 2012   
Steve Clarke 12 June 2012   14 December 2013
Keith Downing 14 December 2013   11 January 2014   
Pepe Mel 9 January 2014 -does include caretakers.  12 May 2014
Alan Irvine 14 June 2014 - 29 December 2014   
Rob Kelly 29 December 2014- 1 January 2015   
Tony Pulis 1 January 2015   20 November 2017   
Gary Megson 20 November 2017   29 November 2017   
Alan Pardew 29 November 2017   2 April 2018   
Darren Moore 2 April 2018   9 March 2019   
James Shan 


From 14, there are five caretakers and two who have left us to take other jobs.  We have sacked 7 in 8 years.... or 7 in 13 if you want to dress that differently too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 27, 2019, 03:11:16 PM
Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.

And how many of those have the senior players had an issue with ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 27, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
And how many of those have the senior players had an issue with ?

And how many have left with a hefty wedge?  I reckon potentially 8 in 10 years (see below),  which is a very expensive way of conducting business, then add in all their staff and also the number of board members who have departed, its not really surprising the club is short of cash and we haven't even started on some of the CRAZY deals we have given players / agents

Roberto Di Matteo from 30 June 2009       
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing   
Pepe Mel
Alan Irvine 
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew   
Darren Moore  to   9 March 2019   
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on March 27, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Reeling off how many managers we've had and of those how many we've had to dismiss because they have been found wanting seems a good argument for not making a new appointment in haste and waiting until the end of the season when a good manager is more likely to be persuaded out his current post.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
Maybe the board could be given a list of 8 possible managers and asked yes/no for each, and if none of them got more than 50% they could come back on Monday...
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 27, 2019, 10:51:15 PM
Maybe the board could be given a list of 8 possible managers and asked yes/no for each, and if none of them got more than 50% they could come back on Monday...


I'd rather we just crashed out with no manager...  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: chipperclark on March 27, 2019, 11:43:10 PM
 ;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.
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Post by: Westie on March 27, 2019, 11:54:09 PM
;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.

May as well have kept Big Dave, then!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 28, 2019, 12:32:51 AM
I have a great idea, I think we should have indicative voting on who should be our next Head Coach, well perhaps not. I’ll get we coot  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 28, 2019, 06:35:34 AM
Reeling off how many managers we've had and of those how many we've had to dismiss because they have been found wanting seems a good argument for not making a new appointment in haste and waiting until the end of the season when a good manager is more likely to be persuaded out his current post.

That's 100% correct.
The only down side is that we all know we always go for cheap and cheerful.
I think the last manager we had that was already employed was DiMatteo.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 28, 2019, 07:22:50 AM

I'd rather we just crashed out with no manager...  ;D
Any Norwegian managers out there? Or maybe even Canadian?;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Oslobaggie on March 28, 2019, 07:56:45 AM
Tom Nordli is the Norwegian Tony Pulis. But he is empoyed at Skeid Oslo so I think we have to pay a release fee.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 28, 2019, 09:02:33 AM
May as well have kept Big Dave, then!

No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 28, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
We got away with changing managers so much for a while when we had consistent coaches in the background. If the club go back to this approach then that's ok with me. It's us lurching from one person to another who brings in a whole new team each time and then starting again from scratch each time which is just plain stupid...................(we did this three times in one year - Pulis/ Pardew/ Moore!!!)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie_liam on March 28, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
I’m becoming more convinced by the no show of a new manager yet, we were hoping for Wagner and because of his HTFC contract conditions we’re trying to hold out til the summer now.. with odds of 22/1 tempting
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Post by: paulosull on March 28, 2019, 11:27:59 AM
;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.
thought the same when Darren was appointed but senior players got their hands on him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 28, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
I really hope we are not holding out for Wagner. His football is as bad as that of Mr. Pulis. If we were holding out for anyone you would hope it to be SJ, but I cannot see him taking over with us in the Championship and set to lose our best players.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 28, 2019, 12:59:41 PM
No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.

Does he though? Or is he just letting the players do what they want / are comfortable with, on the basis that he's a short term stop-gap?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 28, 2019, 01:08:03 PM
Does he though? Or is he just letting the players do what they want / are comfortable with, on the basis that he's a short term stop-gap?

Think you are close to the truth ther FallOut, there will be a short feel good factor with the appointment [if he does get the gig] then the inevitable will happen....again.

I am seriously losing the will to live with this club and board......
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on March 28, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.

Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 28, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .

Said that before Mo, if they had bought their shooting boots on we would have lost that. Many think it was a good win, but I beg to differ, we were very lucky.....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on March 28, 2019, 02:10:42 PM
We rode our luck v Swansea but a win's a win and we're not giving the points back. Took our chances and they didn't, tough, we move on. Blues up next so let's hope for a much improved performance over the thing we churned out at their place with a view to getting another three points. COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 28, 2019, 06:01:53 PM
Well, here’s an interesting theory for our owner and board of directors to ponder concerning our next Head Coach appointment, Occam’s Razor

Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.

So, stick or twist?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 28, 2019, 07:21:11 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

Ok, I got it wrong again, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!  It was obviously ridiculous to expect a decision in such a short period of time.  Ii now seems likely that they will wait until Shan loses a game or two, and then appoint some even more junior coach.  but then again....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on March 29, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Well, here’s an interesting theory for our owner and board of directors to ponder concerning our next Head Coach appointment, Occam’s Razor

Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.

So, stick or twist?

Twist. There are a lot of assumptions to be made that somebody can step up. Shan has the disadvantage of coming after Moore so fans and the board will be cagey about inexperience. For me all roads should lead to Jokanovich. Proven at this level. Failed in his first Premier League attempt but we must look at objective number 1 - promotion!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 29, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
Shan says he wants the job, provided "it is right for the club" and Super Kev wants in as a coach. Both quoted in Mail today.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 29, 2019, 11:53:48 AM
Twist. There are a lot of assumptions to be made that somebody can step up. Shan has the disadvantage of coming after Moore so fans and the board will be cagey about inexperience. For me all roads should lead to Jokanovich. Proven at this level. Failed in his first Premier League attempt but we must look at objective number 1 - promotion!

I fully agree with you lewisant on all your points, but I think you already have worked that out  ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 29, 2019, 07:40:27 PM
Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .

But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on March 29, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
Geezer on Sky Sports said Alex Neil is number 1 target but then it's sky sports so take it with a pinch of salt
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 29, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.
2 tonight
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: colinmax on March 30, 2019, 06:56:28 AM
How many times have you watched a game and can not understand why the manager can not see what is obviously wrong or that the course of the game has changed?
Against the Blues it was obvious we had no width on the right side and Holgate did not get over the half way line till 35minutes.
I was telling everyone who would listen he should bring on Kanu.Sure enough at half time a coach was supervising an individual warm up for him ,he came on and immediately made a difference.
No way would DM have made such a change so early.
Shan is ticking all the right boxes for me and if this continues he should be appointed permanently.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 30, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I don't think he's the permanent answer, and I think he is savvy enough to know he isn't really ready for it right now, but he seems to have drawn the squad together well enough to give us a chance of promotion.  I would be looking for someone like Steven Reid to come in as assistant for the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 30, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Who ever we sign will needs to have a great contact list has he will need to more our less revamp the majority of the 1st team squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 30, 2019, 09:38:11 AM
2 tonight

That wasn't one of the questions.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
Who ever we sign will needs to have a great contact list has he will need to more our less revamp the majority of the 1st team squad.

Isn't that what Luke Dowling does?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on March 30, 2019, 11:24:56 AM
But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.

I would expect any decent coach to place more emphasis on the defensive side of things. I seem to recall Graeme Jones describing Moore as on ‘ off the ball ‘ expert. Go figure .Shan was part of that coaching team so either he doesn’t have an opinion or no one was listening to him . It didn’t take Monk too much analysis to do us on set pieces albeit our defending in open play was marginally improved.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 30, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
I hope Shan is kept on in some capacity by the club. He is nowhere near a manager at this level but i saw more passion on the touchline last night than i saw in 12 months from Moore.
If i were a betting man i would say we are waiting for Alex Neil in the summer.
At the moment he would be my choice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 30, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Isn't that what Luke Dowling does?

Doesn't look likes he's doing a very good job of it  to me mukka
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Doesn't look likes he's doing a very good job of it  to me mukka

I'm quite pleased with the January player intake.

Not sure how much influence he has with the new manager decision, in terms of contracts.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 30, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
James Shan puts himself in contention for West Brom job after third straight win but Preston boss Alex Neil remains the club's preferred choice

More speculation, as you would expect. My first choice is Jokanovic

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6867667/James-Shan-contention-West-Brom-job-Preston-boss-Alex-Neil-remains-preferred-choice.html
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2019, 09:00:28 PM
I'm quite pleased with the January player intake.

Not sure how much influence he has with the new manager decision, in terms of contracts.


Looked good on paper bit little contribution so far, Holgate aside. The fact we've had to draft Brunty (not before time) and Edwards into the side speaks volumes about Johansen Murphy and Montero.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on March 30, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
I hope Shan is kept on in some capacity by the club. He is nowhere near a manager at this level but i saw more passion on the touchline last night than i saw in 12 months from Moore.
If i were a betting man i would say we are waiting for Alex Neil in the summer.
At the moment he would be my choice.
Shows of passion mean sod all. Neil Lennon can run up and down the touchline - Neil Clement did that at Swansea - means nothing. I also hope Shan remains but I'd say the same about Moore also if he's out of work for a period.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 09:14:56 PM

Looked good on paper bit little contribution so far, Holgate aside. The fact we've had to draft Brunty (not before time) and Edwards into the side speaks volumes about Johansen Murphy and Montero.

Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 30, 2019, 09:34:38 PM
Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.

Did Murphy even touch the ball after coming on?

Regards the manager, as I have said before, I would wait for Alex Neil, young and has shown he can turn a team around when they are in a bad spell.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2019, 11:16:26 PM
Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.


I'd be very interested to hear what contribution Murphy made?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on March 31, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
Did Murphy even touch the ball after coming on?

Regards the manager, as I have said before, I would wait for Alex Neil, young and has shown he can turn a team around when they are in a bad spell.

If Sheffield United miss out on promotion I’d rather we went for Chris Wilder
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 08:51:16 AM

I'd be very interested to hear what contribution Murphy made?

He replaced Edwards at 72 minutes, so on the pitch for 24 minutes, (25% of the game)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 31, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
Murphy had 5 touches of the ball and won an aerial duel I know this not because I was at the game but because I just looked it up on a stats website so there you go.

 To be honest I really don't think that makes an awful lot of difference as to whether we go with Shan for the rest of the season. Had Murphy come on had 6 touches of the ball and the 6th touch been a tap in for a 4th goal does that make Shan some sort of zen coaching master? Probably not.

I think we need the issue settled at least to the end of the season. I would hope that the club does whatever is going to do and make an announcement this coming week.     
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on March 31, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
The way we started the game with Morison out wide was ludicrous and tells me that Shan isn’t the man. That’s not really a criticism of him I just think it’s entirely reasonable that he won’t be right for this appointment.

The style of football was pretty poor too. However a win is a win and he has kept us in it to an extent.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Murphy had 5 touches of the ball and won an aerial duel I know this not because I was at the game but because I just looked it up on a stats website so there you go.

 To be honest I really don't think that makes an awful lot of difference as to whether we go with Shan for the rest of the season. Had Murphy come on had 6 touches of the ball and the 6th touch been a tap in for a 4th goal does that make Shan some sort of zen coaching master? Probably not.

I think we need the issue settled at least to the end of the season. I would hope that the club does whatever is going to do and make an announcement this coming week.   

One of the issues with this forum Stan, is you cannot easily follow conversations.

In response to a comment by Geoff that whoever comes in as Manager will have to have an extensive list of potential players, I commented that I was of the opinion that was Luke Dowling's responsibility.

The comment has since morphed into comments about Jacob Murphy.

Like you, I don't think it makes a lot of difference if we continue with JS or make an appointment between now & the end of the season. Personally, I would continue with JS because of the momentum he has built, up to now.
I don't however see JS as a long term solution, & depending on which division we're in next season, I would bring in an experienced manager to suit.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on March 31, 2019, 11:44:01 AM
One of the issues with this forum Stan, is you cannot easily follow conversations.

In response to a comment by Geoff that whoever comes in as Manager will have to have an extensive list of potential players, I commented that I was of the opinion that was Luke Dowling's responsibility.

The comment has since morphed into comments about Jacob Murphy.

Like you, I don't think it makes a lot of difference if we continue with JS or make an appointment between now & the end of the season. Personally, I would continue with JS because of the momentum he has built, up to now.
I don't however see JS as a long term solution, & depending on which division we're in next season, I would bring in an experienced manager to suit.
We try to keep topics in the right order but at the end of the day its up to the poster to do that and not change the subject mid thread .
It's not a forum issue as such , I believe it comes from the likes of social media and as I say comes from the actual posters  . We have spent ages in the past with this issue but stood no chance due to sheer number of posters at times.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 12:15:18 PM
We try to keep topics in the right order but at the end of the day its up to the poster to do that and not change the subject mid thread .
It's not a forum issue as such , I believe it comes from the likes of social media and as I say comes from the actual posters  . We have spent ages in the past with this issue but stood no chance due to sheer number of posters at times.

I know it's not easy, I've approached the issue before with moderators, but sometimes it does lead to comments being made out of context to the original comment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on March 31, 2019, 12:33:23 PM
I know it's not easy, I've approached the issue before with moderators, but sometimes it does lead to comments being made out of context to the original comment.
We know you have John and we thank you for that but again as I recall there were no clear answers .
I actually believe compared to other Albion forums we keep this site in good order , there really is little more we can do .
If you have any clearer ideas this time please feel free to share them in the announcement section or via PM.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: we8seals on March 31, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
He replaced Edwards at 72 minutes, so on the pitch for 24 minutes, (25% of the game)
Morrison was on for 50% of the game and contributed nothing - if we had taken him off at half time and not replaced him it would still have improved us!
Murphy made as much contribution as a traffic cone!
the most worrying thing about Friday was listening to Shan after game say taking off Morrison was not tactical but because "Jimmy was feeling his Hamstring" The second most worrying was bringing Murphy on - who is proving to be one of the worst players to wear the stripes in my view! (possibly harsh given some of what i have seen over last 50 years - but he is truly terrbile. Hopelessly lightweight, no bottle, not quite quick enough and not quite skillfull enough.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 31, 2019, 01:02:55 PM
Sorry if I picked up the wrong point on the thread but the central point remains. Shan like any manager can only pick from what he's got. He does not have a left footed wide player other than Brunt (not the worst idea maybe) whatever side he puts out will always run into that central problem to say that one issue stops him being a good coach or fit to guide us through to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 31, 2019, 02:27:19 PM
Murphy made as much contribution as a traffic cone!

An incredibly poor player unfortunately. Awful vision, decision making and no end product. He’s McClean with a bit more pace and less bottle. Thank god we get to send him back to Newcastle in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 31, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
An incredibly poor player unfortunately. Awful vision, decision making and no end product. He’s McClean with a bit more pace and less bottle. Thank god we get to send him back to Newcastle in the summer.


I'm not sure he's any quicker than McClean. Other than that you're spot on (IMO). He's a wimp of a footballer. I'm not a fan of him or Montero.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 31, 2019, 02:55:39 PM
Jimmy isn't the answer to being next coach, like Darren he hasn't got the tactical nouse to be top manager. Ex Fulham boss for me is stand out candidate.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on March 31, 2019, 03:11:54 PM
Jimmy isn't the answer to being next coach, like Darren he hasn't got the tactical nouse to be top manager. Ex Fulham boss for me is stand out candidate.

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

Having said that, I believe he should be given until the end of the season, regardless of how he does - and then we look at long-term prospects in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 31, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
Someone has said that we need a new manager (possibly foreign) with contacts (outside of England). Pick and choose players who will suit us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
Someone has said that we need a new manager (possibly foreign) with contacts (outside of England). Pick and choose players who will suit us.

We have a DoF who is responsible for identifying players.

At the moment, we don't know what division we'll be in. A re-build in the EPL will look a lot different from a re-build in the EFL.
Surely, that will determine the level of Head Coach we have?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 31, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 31, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
We have a DoF who is responsible for identifying players.

At the moment, we don't know what division we'll be in. A re-build in the EPL will look a lot different from a re-build in the EFL.
Surely, that will determine the level of Head Coach we have?
Darren Moore is unemployed btw.  :P
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2019, 05:14:26 PM
Gary Monk worth a look IMO
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 31, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
Gary Monk worth a look IMO

After some of his players antics Friday night? Diving and taking players out? No thanks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2019, 05:46:51 PM
After some of his players antics Friday night? Diving and taking players out? No thanks.

We do our share
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on March 31, 2019, 06:25:08 PM
With the run Barnsley have been on to pull away from Pompey and Sunderland in the rave for Championship promotion, should we be looking at Daniel Stendel? Young German manager, good coaching upbringing in Germany.

Is Jokanovic doesn't work out and if we don't have any obvious candidates, I reckon we could get him to come withiut too much difficulty.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pie on March 31, 2019, 07:12:52 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.

Would honestly rather have Pardew back than him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gerry m on March 31, 2019, 07:52:52 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.

Hopefully not. Made the sarky ' There a great little club arnt they' after he chose Villa over us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 31, 2019, 08:20:29 PM
Hopefully not. Made the sarky ' There a great little club arnt they' after he chose Villa over us.

He never chose them over us. He was never offered our job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 31, 2019, 08:48:51 PM
He never chose them over us. He was never offered our job.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on March 31, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
With the run Barnsley have been on to pull away from Pompey and Sunderland in the rave for Championship promotion, should we be looking at Daniel Stendel? Young German manager, good coaching upbringing in Germany.

Is Jokanovic doesn't work out and if we don't have any obvious candidates, I reckon we could get him to come withiut too much difficulty.
Yeah I saw the football focus item on Barnsley yesterday - we could probably do a lot worse. He's using a high energy pressing style at Barnsley and using a lot of young players to play that way. This could be the way we should be looking. To play that way the training is very intense (triple sessions as with Klopp). It would surely mean the end of Barry, Morrison, Brunt for a start. We look as though we're on the verge of having 5 or 6 young players coming into serious reckoning for the 1st team from next year, if we are prepared to give them a chance. Why not have the inevitable clear-out (assuming we don't go up), supplement our own youngsters with some other signings/loans suited to high energy style. Possible issue is we'd probably need to be patient enough to give a manager 2 years to get us up...as Norwich have done with Farke.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 31, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125

Article says no one has been offered the job, add to that that it is in the Birmingham snail rarely gets anything Albion right.
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Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2019, 01:57:12 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/31/west-brom-will-offer-james-shan-chance-to-add-two-new-faces-to-coaching-staff/

From the above it would seem that Shan has it to the end of the season and will be able to bring in some experienced support on a temporary basis next week.

To be honest at least that puts things to bed for the time being we have up to 10 games to go we are playing pretty basic football the squad is a mess at least the new guy can come in with a clean sheet and rebuild whichever division we are in.
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Post by: Dexy on April 01, 2019, 07:47:39 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/31/west-brom-will-offer-james-shan-chance-to-add-two-new-faces-to-coaching-staff/

From the above it would seem that Shan has it to the end of the season and will be able to bring in some experienced support on a temporary basis next week.

To be honest at least that puts things to bed for the time being we have up to 10 games to go we are playing pretty basic football the squad is a mess at least the new guy can come in with a clean sheet and rebuild whichever division we are in.
I posted last week that if SJ or the like can't be tempted then sticking with Shan until the Summer is the best option. There's a lot of names linked from the merry go round that frighten me in all honesty and would only lead to another mess and more chopping and changing at this point.
I always felt Moore and especially Jones were making it more difficult than it had to be on the pitch so its no surprise a more simple plan under Shan is winning games.
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Post by: frazzle on April 01, 2019, 08:38:47 AM
Article says no one has been offered the job, add to that that it is in the Birmingham snail rarely gets anything Albion right.

I just read that whole article thinking it had been written today. Dear god I need a lie down
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on April 01, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
From the game vs B'ham it was clear that Shan went back to the future.  It worked on Friday evening but I thought that there was the same problem in keeping ageing midfielders on the pitch beyond their reserves of stamina.  That tackle by Brunt towards the end might not have been tactical genius but that of a desperately tired player being given the run-around.  Would it have been genius if Brum had scored from it just as they had from two previous set pieces?

Nevertheless I don't feel that there is any point in making knee-jerk appointments.  Let's see how Shan develops over these last games.  We can choose a manager when we know which division we're in.  I agree with those who say it's difficult (though not impossible with sufficient funds) to line up the manager of your choice to take over as soon as you have sacked the current boss.

Finally not even sure we would be ready for the EPL without a rebuild that would take more than a summer break.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 01, 2019, 11:17:25 AM
Finally not even sure we would be ready for the EPL without a rebuild that would take more than a summer break.

Agree with all of that - especially this bit.
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Post by: KN22 on April 01, 2019, 12:54:19 PM
There would be a massive rebuild to perform if we managed to go up, no doubt. I would still love it to happen though. If we stay down for another season do we really think we would be more ready for the step up in 12 months time? I doubt it personally. No, lets get up somehow and then worry!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on April 01, 2019, 02:23:04 PM
Allardyce’s odds have dropped massively today, now favourite. He’d probably get us up tbf but surely nothing more than a 3 month contract!
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 01, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Allardyce’s odds have dropped massively today, now favourite. He’d probably get us up tbf but surely nothing more than a 3 month contract!

From the boards perspective, he would be the most likely candidate to make us a saleable commodity. If he were to get us up and established, that is all they will care about right now.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 01, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
I just don't see the point in bringing a new guy in now with so little time left.

Surely the logical sense would be to leave Shan in charge and give him some support, the players are clearly playing for him as you saw from Fridays performance.

The last thing we need now is someone to come in and take 2 weeks trying to change the way we play again.

On the other hand, have the club given up hope of automatic and see us basically guaranteed a play off spot, so the new guy would have the next few games to figure the squad out and have a crack at the play offs?

Personally though, I think at the stage we are now, we need to just wait until the summer and have the new man in place soon as the season ends so he has the summer to rebuild the squad - whichever division we find ourselves in.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
It is'nt broken at the moment and doesn't need fixing.
Leave well alone I say, JS until the end of the season and no longer
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Post by: FallOutBoy on April 01, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
It is'nt broken at the moment and doesn't need fixing.
Leave well alone I say, JS until the end of the season and no longer

If you can watch the first half on Friday and say that it isn't broken, or our defending from set pieces, then I'll have some of what you're having. ;D
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Post by: frazzle on April 01, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
If you can watch the first half on Friday and say that it isn't broken, or our defending from set pieces, then I'll have some of what you're having. ;D

Agreed. We should give Shan credit for getting the wins but the performance in the first half was as bad as I’ve seen. Not getting at him personally but it’s to be expected that we will be all over the place. We’ve been very lucky in the three games but I’ll take it!
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Post by: lewisant on April 01, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
Allardyce's odds on with 3 bookies now, out of nowhere. Has somebody had a flutter!?
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 01, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Steve McClaren is available  :o :o
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: boinging_along on April 01, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Would rather stick with Shan than Schteve or Sam.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on April 01, 2019, 06:07:57 PM
If we got to the play off final, would Shan be the man to have a plan?
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Post by: boinging_along on April 01, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
If we got to the play off final, would Shan be the man to have a plan?

If he got us there, then yeah, I don't see why not.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 01, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
Allardyce's odds on with 3 bookies now, out of nowhere. Has somebody had a flutter!?

Matt Wilson of the E&S has has just replied to my tweet saying there’s no truth in it whatsoever. Hope he’s right! 
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 01, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Big Sam hates us. He'd never agree to manage us unless we made him a ridiculous offer which we know is never going to happen.
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Post by: KN22 on April 01, 2019, 10:39:37 PM
Really hope that this an April fool joke. Not him surely?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 01, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Unpopular truth: Allardyce would be better than any name linked besides Slavisa Jokanovic.
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Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2019, 11:41:18 PM
Latest from Matt Wilson of the Express & Star No truth in the Allardyce rumours whatsoever, which comes as a relief. I would rather be relegated to the conference than have Allardyce at the club. There probably should be a law preventing your club being managed by Pulis and Allardyce in the same lifetime something along the lines of preventing cruel and unusual punishment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kris_boing on April 02, 2019, 07:47:56 AM
I think Sam would be perfect for the role right now.   Long term perhaps not but bringing him in with a view to getting us up and keeping us in the Premier League would make perfect sense. 

He is pragmatic in his approach but he's certainly not on Pulis' level for that. 

Plus I get the impression, from performances this season, that our players are more suited to that approach rather than possession football.  It would also suit us best in the Premier League should be go up.

Two years with Big Sam wouldn't be the end of the world for me.

He would have gone full circle as well as wasn't he reserve team manager under Brian Talbot?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 02, 2019, 08:40:21 AM
'If everyone was comfortable' Sam Allardyce breaks his silence on West Brom job rumours

According to a report in the link Below of an interview Big Sam gave on TalkSport, I wouldn’t rule the prospect out of him taking over just yet

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-manager-sam-allardyce-16062332
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Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2019, 08:48:47 AM
I would be perfectly happy with Allardyce until the end of the season. Sure he's pragmatic and he's one off the manager merry-go-round but has Shan shown us his football is any different?

I would want Jokanovic but if he isn't an option and Allardyce is i wouldn't say no
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 02, 2019, 09:03:35 AM
If the club intend keeping Shan in position for the rest of the season, why haven’t they helped him out by letting him bring experienced coaches in to share the load by now?

I just feel the board are still faffing about and as such makes you think they real don’t know the best course of action. Remind you of a similar group of decision makers?

Hopeless!
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Post by: darbolina on April 02, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
It's simple for me, Allardyce would mostly be an appointment for Lai/ investors whereas as fans we mostly want to be entertained whilst being successful, thus ruling out an Allardyce type manager.

The inescapable truth about the Allardyce, Pulis' etc is also that they seem to leave clubs in a bit of a mess because they had to have such top to bottom control.

We need a structure that can outlast a head coach leaving just as we used to do.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 02, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
Would I prefer Allardyce to Shan for the next few matches? Yes.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 02, 2019, 09:57:03 AM
'If everyone was comfortable' Sam Allardyce breaks his silence on West Brom job rumours

According to a report in the link Below of an interview Big Sam gave on TalkSport, I wouldn’t rule the prospect out of him taking over just yet

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-manager-sam-allardyce-16062332
Not bitter at all is he?

[i"We got beaten in the FA Cup and we both got tossed into the wilderness and lost our job.][/i]

Makes it sound like they were hard done to, doesn't mention that it was a home 2-4 defeat to Woking and still is one of the most embarrassing days in our club's modern history.
I know where I'd like to toss him, head first into the cut.

This sentence alone should be enough of a warning sign for us to steer clear.
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 02, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Unpopular truth: Allardyce would be better than any name linked besides Slavisa Jokanovic.
Totally agree if he didn't get us up this time he would next season. Would we like the brand of football?  At times probably not but if its winning football then fans tend to be OK with most things. I still think his wages would be a major problem and am interested with his ' if everybody's OK with it ' remark in the interview as I believe that could well be aimed  as much at supporters who might not take kindly to his Wolves roots.
On another tack interestingly rumours already circulating that QPR are talking to Sherwood , only been 24 hrs we on the other hand are still faffing about after 3 weeks !  Our whole lack of foresight and planning since the sacking is mind boggling !!
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 02, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
I'd be happy with Big Sam on a long term basis. He's always delivered results wherever he has been. The meltdown on here would be priceless  :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Not a chance, in my opinion, he is a dishonest person who put his privileged position as England Manager up for sale to the highest bidder, do NOT want him associated with our club in any way.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on April 02, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Would have confidence Sam would get us up and keep us up. Sure the football might not be the best but it would be better for thclub to be in the premier League.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
If the club intend keeping Shan in position for the rest of the season, why haven’t they helped him out by letting him bring experienced coaches in to share the load by now?


As I understand it, the board have continuously been in conversation with JS about help.
It was JS who declined the help so far, but I understand that discussions are on-going with a view to bringing in up to two coaches with complimentary experience to help, sometime this week.
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Post by: StourBaggie on April 02, 2019, 12:13:58 PM
I’m becoming more convinced by the no show of a new manager yet, we were hoping for Wagner and because of his HTFC contract conditions we’re trying to hold out til the summer now.. with odds of 22/1 tempting

Some of the odds might appear long as bookies often say that if a caretaker remains in charge for 10 games they are considered the new manager for the purposes of the betting market.

This might be why Shan's odds are short and possible summer recruitments are long (e.g. Wagner) - even if we don't make the play-offs (highly unlikely now anyway) Shan will have been in for 10 games if he's given until the end. Wagner can't take over this season so 22/1 would only come in if someone other than Shan were to see this season out.

Basically, don't read too much into the odds for "permanent" manager and be careful if odds look tempting.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
Steve McClaren is available  :o :o


that generally would wind most folk up
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
I'd be happy with Big Sam on a long term basis. He's always delivered results wherever he has been. The meltdown on here would be priceless  :D


i am with you. big sam for me. go get him now this very minute
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 02, 2019, 12:22:41 PM
Should we try and get Pulis back? (Hiding behing the sofa with my tin hat on).  :P
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
Should we try and get Pulis back? (Hiding behing the sofa with my tin hat on).  :P

read my post above my last one :)
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Post by: seteefeet on April 02, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
How anyone can want this propane-bottle headed doghead is beyond me. He hates the club, his football is rubbish and his last job ended in shame. Have we no integrity left?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mrvulgarity on April 02, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
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Post by: KN22 on April 02, 2019, 12:54:46 PM
Blimey, some of us never learn. We are still suffering the fallout from the reign of Pulis now we are considering a guy whose tactics are very Pulisesque? It's a big no from me!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
Alex Neil not going anywhere

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/back-to-the-drawing-board-west-brom-dealt-blow-in-new-manager-hunt-opinion/ (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/back-to-the-drawing-board-west-brom-dealt-blow-in-new-manager-hunt-opinion/)

Quote
The Preston boss spoke at a fans’ forum on Monday evening and put the record straight in no uncertain terms.

Neil said he has ‘no intention of going anywhere else’and continued by saying his ‘sole focus is Preston North End.’

In addition to this, he revealed the club are already planning for next season and that ‘speculation is speculation.’
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: shortybaggies on April 02, 2019, 01:59:46 PM
Here is the video of him being asked the question: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1112951503327842305

To me, and I'm just speculating, this sounds like they HAVE approached him but they've got absolutely no concrete plan on why they want him, what he's being asked to do and whether this is a long term position.

Think of it what you will.
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Post by: darbolina on April 02, 2019, 02:19:50 PM
If Allardyce came if until the end of the season only I wouldn't be averse to that at this stage. Any longer and it just wouldn't work for us or him, simple as that. The current squad would suit Allardyce in the short term much more than Jokanovic that's very clear to me (Jokanovic likes a midfield). Whatever happens, we need a new (old) structure built around two or three coaches who remain whoever the head coach is. 
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
Here is the video of him being asked the question: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1112951503327842305

To me, and I'm just speculating, this sounds like they HAVE approached him but they've got absolutely no concrete plan on why they want him, what he's being asked to do and whether this is a long term position.

Think of it what you will.

Personally, at best, I think it's Alladyce using the media to sound us out, but more likely mischief making by talk sport.

Pretty sure when Jenkins came back he said he wanted us to revert to the DoF model that was so successful under Dan Ashworth. With the recent successes & lift in profile of our academy, I think it's unlikely that we'd turn to Alladyce.

David Wagner, struggled with players from Huddersfield's academy, but none the less was willing to develop players from other more advanced academies.
Of the potential candidates currently in the frame, I believe he is the one that would fit our profile the best.

I also believe that our academy was a big selling point for Lai, & any Head Coach that could bring players from the academy to the first team would get a thumbs up from him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on April 02, 2019, 02:50:39 PM
Blimey, some of us never learn. We are still suffering the fallout from the reign of Pulis now we are considering a guy whose tactics are very Pulisesque? It's a big no from me!

me too.
7 games to go, the die is already cast. What's the point in bringing another manager in off the gravy train.
Leave JS to it now for the rest of the season, bringing in somebody like Fat Sam could be really detrimental.
Let's hope the new guy is under starters orders for May 6th (wishful thinking maybe?)
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on April 02, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Would rather let Shan just carry on until the end of the season than give it Allardyce.

im absolutely baffled his name is being discussed considering his tactics and style of play is very similar to an ex manager who created a complete divide between the fans and club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on April 02, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
There is not a manager in the whole of the UK who is as negative, short termist, and creates as much consequential damage to the structure of the club than Pulis. Allardyce is nowhere near as bad as Pulis.

It’s a no from me for Allardyce but if he did get the role then I would give it a go. I doubt he is any cheaper than Jokanovic though so I don’t think there’s a chance he will join.
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Post by: NJS on April 02, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
It is just possible (while of course making no allegations) that an aura of corruption surrounds one of the candidates this thread has been discussing - of wheeler dealing, back-handers and agents' fees.
I can't comprehend why we would take the person given our DoF business model.
Nevertheless the club is bigger than the team + manager - it's us no matter what division.  I would just have to turn my support down a notch until he moved himself on.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on April 02, 2019, 05:00:55 PM
Allardyce?  Just NO, all the reasons given above.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 02, 2019, 05:29:25 PM
We seem to have great difficulty finding decent managers.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 02, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
I for one hope he's true to his word.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 02, 2019, 08:58:51 PM
It is just possible (while of course making no allegations) that an aura of corruption surrounds one of the candidates this thread has been discussing - of wheeler dealing, back-handers and agents' fees.
I can't comprehend why we would take the person given our DoF business model.
Nevertheless the club is bigger than the team + manager - it's us no matter what division.  I would just have to turn my support down a notch until he moved himself on.
Again no allegations being made but I always wondered if there was an under the table transfer when Burke signed for a former manager of this club. Then he rarely gave him a place on the bench.
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Post by: tlms-p23 on April 02, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
Not a fan of Allardyce but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as Pulis. He’s had many more top half finishes and I don’t think the football is as bad. In one of Pulis’ seasons we failed to have a single shot on goal in 7/38 games (14/15 I think?). Can’t be as negative as that.

I’d be as confident as it’s possible to be that we’d get promoted if he had a full pre-season, etc. Don’t know what it would mean for the academy and club/fan relations though. Wouldnt be a progressive appointment in those respects.
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Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
Those of you saying Allardyce to end of the season that is not how he works we would be stuck with the barstool for next season come what may and paying handsomely for the privilege. Allardyce's sole redeeming feature is that he is not quite as bad as Pulis or put it another way Pulis' one use is to make Allardyce look okay.

Seriously if we want a dinosaur let's just get Rowett he would be cheaper and no worse. 
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 02, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
Good lets hope he keeps his word the doghead
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 03, 2019, 09:33:02 AM
Allardyce? Just no. We've had two of the Cro Magnon brigade in the last few years, let's never do that again.

What has mummy told you about playing with matches?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 03, 2019, 11:16:52 AM

@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
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Post by: Atomic on April 03, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
More
Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.


This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!
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Post by: gazberg on April 03, 2019, 11:36:38 AM
Agreed. Time for the old boys to move on. All they need to worry about are their performances on the pitch.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on April 03, 2019, 11:38:50 AM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
More
Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Who are we classing as the 'senior' players.

People obviously naming Brunt and Morrison but would that be it, or does the list go further, are we talking Dawson, Livermore, Gibbs, Phillips, Barry?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 03, 2019, 11:40:07 AM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
More
Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
they publicly supported Dave while Shan was the assistant, I don’t remember them being vocal while Jones was here and Shan was pushed back a bit.
I agree it’s almost certainly because they are back in the team but it could just be they like how Shan does things too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 03, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
More
Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Another reason why the likes of Brunt and Morrison should be got rid of.

Their say and influence is far too powerful, in my view.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 03, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
The story on Sky Sports website https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11682979/west-brom-to-stick-with-caretaker-boss-james-shan-for-foreseeable-future

Albion have won all three games since Shan took over from Darren Moore four weeks ago, and SSN understands the club's hierarchy have been influenced by senior players. They have taken on more responsibility and are happy with the current coaching set-up.

There is a core group of players that has needed breaking up for a long time. Moore sanded the edges off, but we need somebody to shake them out of this 'go along to get along' mentality.

Wait until Shan does something they don't like, he'll be out on his ear too.

Sounds like the tail is wagging the dog.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2019, 12:49:25 PM

This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!
I am not too sure that I agrre with the last statement.
The sentiment as a whole is there, and I agree.
Basically players are just that... players employed to do a job (as we all are in work), we can voice our opinions and have a spokesman..but that is it.
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Post by: sing on our own on April 03, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
Time to drain the swamp this summer. Odemwingie said the dressing room was toxic and had a bullying culture and nothing’s changed.
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Post by: Mo on April 03, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
footballers  running the show then, its why i have given up. player power sucks
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 03, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?

Beat me to it.

They're not employees, they are the product, that everybody pays to watch.

If it's working, leave it alone. I imagine Luke Dowling is monitoring the situation daily, & it makes sense to ask the advice of senior players.
It's a strategic decision to leave JS in place to the end of the season, I've seen no other reports that says "until further notice".
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Post by: darbolina on April 03, 2019, 02:07:55 PM
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?
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Post by: Mister AT on April 03, 2019, 02:55:38 PM
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?

First name that came to mind that we could 'afford' was the Bristol City coach. Surprised his name hasn't popped up since DM's sacking. Doesn't have a lot of money to spend yet they always seem to be in and around the play offs.

From a business perspective, we need to be looking at Brentford in my opinion. Doesn't matter who the head coach is there, they play a good style of football and have an identity about what they are trying to do, especially on a small budget.
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Post by: royhan on April 03, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
Reported target Alex Neil is quoted as having said that he has no intention of leaving Preston and is already making plans for next season.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2019, 04:49:07 PM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Question: who is running the playing side of the club?
Answer: the players favoured choice, until his not
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Post by: gerry m on April 03, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
Begs the question who is exactly running the club! It seems to me that Brunt seems to have a lot of influence.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 03, 2019, 06:56:26 PM
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇
They already have the role mate ;)
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Post by: divinewind on April 04, 2019, 09:44:58 AM
People slate Brunt, but our results are better when he is in the side. Might be coincidence, or it might be all those assists and those decisive goals he has the knack of getting.
Who knows eh?
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 04, 2019, 10:00:00 AM
People slate Brunt, but our results are better when he is in the side. Might be coincidence, or it might be all those assists and those decisive goals he has the knack of getting.
Who knows eh?

Didn't our results improve at the start of the season when he went out of the side. Now they have improved which has coincided with his return; among a number of other factors. Think he is a good squad player with his strengths and weaknesses; both can be managed or increased depending on his position and they type of game.
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Post by: Westie on April 04, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......
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Post by: divinewind on April 04, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

Horrible bloke. I think most fans would stay away if that happened. Mind you it could be a way to get Lai out.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 04, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 04, 2019, 12:19:10 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.

it is a pity the timing is out.  Appointing Colin would have made a fantastic April fool.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2019, 12:29:31 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.


i would over pulis anyday
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Post by: seteefeet on April 04, 2019, 02:53:54 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.

That's like choosing between crabs and scabies.
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Post by: Albionic on April 04, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

The worst post I have ever seen on this site, I hate the man with a passion and seriously I hate very very few people. I cannot think of a football manager I despise as much as that %$£+
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Post by: royhan on April 04, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

Who is Colin?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 04, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
Who is Colin?

Neil Warnock, anagram is Colin Wan&*r
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Post by: SmethDan on April 04, 2019, 07:28:36 PM
Not quite an anagram.

It's Neil Warnock minus the letters in the name Colin = w@nker.
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Post by: Standaman on April 04, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
What is it with you Guys? Every day another wide up. Two days ago it was Allardyce and we are now discussing f*cking Warnock. Stop it this is rock bottom there is no place left to go.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 04, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
What is it with you Guys? Every day another wide up. Two days ago it was Allardyce and we are now discussing f*cking Warnock. Stop it this is rock bottom there is no place left to go.

Could be worse, we could still have a politics forum
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Post by: darbolina on April 05, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
"Nature abhors a vacumm" - in steps Colin or Sam..............ha ha
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Post by: Wigmore on April 05, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
"Caretaker and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager".
This proviso is still current on Skybet and they are currently offering odds  of 5/4 with regard to James Shan.

I never ever bet on Albion games, but given the unfolding scenario is there a better bet around?
Seven games to a potential payday....
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 05, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
"Caretaker and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager".
This proviso is still current on Skybet and they are currently offering odds  of 5/4 with regard to James Shan.

I never ever bet on Albion games, but given the unfolding scenario is there a better bet around?
Seven games to a potential payday....

Easy money mate.
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Post by: royhan on April 05, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
Easy money mate.

I don’t trust bookies further than I can throw them, particularly when they offer so called ‘can’t lose’ bets. I have been caught too often! These devious bookies are masters at digging out information from ‘sources’ at clubs. Years ago I would be tempted by such generous odds but I have become wiser as I get older.
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Post by: Wigmore on April 05, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
I don’t trust bookies further than I can throw them, particularly when they offer so called ‘can’t lose’ bets. I have been caught too often! These devious bookies are masters at digging out information from ‘sources’ at clubs. Years ago I would be tempted by such generous odds but I have become wiser as I get older.
Apart from (in my opinion) farcical 5/6 odds on for the fat bloke from Dudley, all the candidates are quoted at far longer odds than Shan.
It does not appear that the bookies are being devious, but are as much in the dark as we are.
I guess that most Albion fans are equally able to judge the club hierarchy's mentality as the bookies.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.


They've put all 3 years parachute money on Shan at 5/4...
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 06, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
There's an article in this morning's times that David Wagner is looking to return to management next season.

I've no insider knowledge, but it's him I'd put my money on.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 12:16:29 PM
As far as the next Head Coach is concerned, like other clubs, we will get who the decision makers want us to have not who we want, sound familiar?

For me, personally, it has to be Jokanovic, or else, imo, we will have let yet another golden opportunity slip through our fingers to take the club forward

PS. I wouldn't say no to Nuno Espírito Santo, shh, don’t tell the Dingles we’d have WW3 on our hands  ;)
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Post by: frazzle on April 06, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
There's an article in this morning's times that David Wagner is looking to return to management next season.

I've no insider knowledge, but it's him I'd put my money on.

If he is negative dull football then I’m not interested at all. Jokanovic for me. But this is a complete mess to be frank.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 06, 2019, 12:40:41 PM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.
Not up to the job. Needs replacing.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 06, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
I don't how true these rumours are but it has been said SJ has agreed to go back to Fulham in the summer.

It has to be AN if we stay down imo, and if we go up, I think we should look abroad and find someone with great knowledge of the European transfer market.
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Post by: baggiebof on April 06, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
You have to hope that the club is taking stock of what its long term direction intends to be and is scouring the world, not just coaches known to this country, to find the best fit.

I hope that means we will be looking for someone who intends to work with and promote youth, likes to play progressive football and is happy to target signings but only based on the players name and reputation.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
You have to hope that the club is taking stock of what its long term direction intends to be and is scouring the world, not just coaches known to this country, to find the best fit.

I hope that means we will be looking for someone who intends to work with and promote youth, likes to play progressive football and is happy to target signings but only based on the players name and reputation.

The powers that be at our club are not even capable of scouring dust bins.
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Post by: frazzle on April 06, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
No point rushing someone in after this defeat. I’d probably commit to our youth with a midfield three of Field Harper and Edwards and ditch the older players who frankly are as much to blame for our current predicament as anyone.

We should be aiming for a manager who has invention, passion and energy.

Sadly I’m not certain anyone will want to come who is half decent due to our track record of sacking managers early.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 04:55:06 PM
It's a very weird situation
I would have taken Moore out (possibly earlier jones)
I understand that once it looked very difficult to get auto (but playoffs are safe) that putting in a "proper manager" could almost only have a negative effect
Shan said he was "happy to help etc"

But then
The "experienced voices" start to get too involved, Shan states he wants to step in to a mangers role ....
We end up with this mess today

I don't know the fix, but I'm sure it's not brunt / Shan

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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Not sure who but he needs to be here a s a bloody p.

Going from shambles to shambles. Yes its the first defeat under Shan but performances in the 3 games have not been good, Jenkins and co get ya fingers out as you are costing us. Have no issue with the sacking of Moore but the circus that has followed is a disgrace and embarrassment.
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Post by: lewisant on April 06, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
We were lucky v Blues and Swansea really and you could argue we were at Brentford too. In-game management and starting 11 poor today.

I'd say it's time to get somebody in and get us at least playing better football going into the play offs.
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on April 06, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 05:01:48 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.

Thats why I have a feeling they are hoping for Wagner, did it all on the cheap at Huddersfield, just how we like it.
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Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
Can only hope that performance jolts the powers that be into action , expect the cheap option by Wednesday lunch.
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Post by: albion59 on April 06, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Just get someone in quickly, someone who can sort these excuse for Footballer's out. Get rid of the dead wood Brunt, Morrison Livermore  and players who don't want to be here Philips Dawson Gibbs. We are an absolute joke with no idea from top to bottom.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 05:07:40 PM
That's why you need a proper manager. When things go wrong like they did today. He just stood on the touchline clueless as to how to change things. That's how we lose the play offs right there.
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 06, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
If our next head coach is yet another off this dinosaur bandwagon I'm going to find another sport to follow. We need someone to come in, who doesn't look at rubbish old experienced British players in the same way Gemma Collins looks at a slice of cake.

I'm absolutely sick of these 'aard-working', 'experienced' players being signed and given preferrential treatment by spineless and clueless coaches who rely on outdated cliches to cover their ineptitude. The lack of tactical knowledge displayed by Pulis, Pardew, Moore and now Shan in depressing. We should be sat here watching a Daniel Farke, Slavisa Jokanovic or Dean Smith team blowing the opposition away, yet we've been served up 40 games of largely sh*t because we have nobody at the club who knows how modern football works.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 06, 2019, 05:12:27 PM
not only do we need a manager we also need football  people on the board not number crunchers .
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Post by: cheesyknackers on April 06, 2019, 05:12:33 PM
No kindergarten manager please . Little bounce has swiftly disappeared .
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 06, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
No point rushing someone in after this defeat. I’d probably commit to our youth with a midfield three of Field Harper and Edwards and ditch the older players who frankly are as much to blame for our current predicament as anyone.

We should be aiming for a manager who has invention, passion and energy.

Sadly I’m not certain anyone will want to come who is half decent due to our track record of sacking managers early.

There will be thousand's applying, we give the job to pretty much anyone these days. As long as they're cheap and obviously underqualified. I might ping off my CV tomorrow, reckon I meet more of Jenkins' requirements than Jokanovic.
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 05:18:23 PM
Thats why I have a feeling they are hoping for Wagner, did it all on the cheap at Huddersfield, just how we like it.
I hope they go for a high energy playing style manager which I think Wagner fits into - if not Wagner then someone looking to play the high tempo style anyway. It'll take a summer of very hard pre-season fitness wise to get it started. Barry, Morrison and Brunt won't fit into it, to name just 3. I think we need to go this way with the academy players starting to work through, and if we can't spend a reasonable proportion of what we get in for the likes of Rondon and 3 or 4 others then we might as well give up.
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Post by: Mo on April 06, 2019, 05:18:58 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.

Hard to disagree . What decent manager will work with freebies and promising academy kids. The club has no direction and that is a serious concern.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 05:23:43 PM
Enter Big Sam, stage left !
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 06, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
i feel like we've gone from the best run club in the Midlands to one with the most uncertain future, even with Birmingham having problems they look to have a structured plan with a decent side and proper manager in place, Albion feel like a lucky bag at the moment.
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Post by: Mikkyk on April 06, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
not only do we need a manager we also need football  people on the board not number crunchers .

This - whoever we appoint is going to be based on money rather than on football intelligence
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 06, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
I think we should be looking at gary monk to be honest.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 06, 2019, 06:24:13 PM
It is not ideal, but if you want to go up in the play offs and then stay up, the only proven manager out there who is available and has a record of getting an immediate bounce is fat sham.

Look at West ham and Palace, they are all consolidating in the prem after the foundations laid by him.

Imo though, I think we will go the cheap option and go for AN, whose Preston have dropped off since he has been linked with us.
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Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2019, 06:32:57 PM
Feel like we shunted a bit more on the desperate scale now , to be quite honest If we can't tempt SJ I'd look at Moyes .
Don't like the merry go round but at least he's a big enough character to get a few of these doing the basics.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 06:36:00 PM
This thread is starting to get depressing!
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 06, 2019, 06:38:48 PM
Enter Big Sam, stage left !

Exit two season tickets, stage right.......
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Post by: seteefeet on April 06, 2019, 06:49:06 PM
I hope they go for a high energy playing style manager which I think Wagner fits into - if not Wagner then someone looking to play the high tempo style anyway. It'll take a summer of very hard pre-season fitness wise to get it started. Barry, Morrison and Brunt won't fit into it, to name just 3. I think we need to go this way with the academy players starting to work through, and if we can't spend a reasonable proportion of what we get in for the likes of Rondon and 3 or 4 others then we might as well give up.
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .

Bloody right.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 07:16:34 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2019, 07:17:57 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?
No thanks
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 06, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?

Two of that four won the Champions League in the season they left...

Darren left after three months of awful home results and a shambolic pasting at Elland Road
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Post by: paulosull on April 06, 2019, 07:37:48 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 07:40:25 PM
Exit two season tickets, stage right.......

Don’t get me wrong, I want Jokanovic, but I can just see our lot panicking and Big Sam in Center Stage
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 06, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
we could do a lot worse
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 08:38:45 PM
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .
That's more or less what I'm saying. It's time to change direction, develop a style and use our emerging young players, with new arrivals to compliment the new style.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 08:55:23 PM
That's more or less what I'm saying. It's time to change direction, develop a style and use our emerging young players, with new arrivals to compliment the new style.


Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
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Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:03:54 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).

Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.


Harper wont be here next season. So that's 2 including Field. Seems a little short handed for the type of changes people would like, think would be best ..
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:11:54 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
We have a choice of sticking with the same old yet again or forging a new team. A new manager, dare I say someone like Potter(but it won't be him), may come in here look at players we've hardly seen so far like Tulloch, Rogers, Soule...added to Edwards, Field, hopefully Harper and think these are talented and will have the energy and ability to fit the style I want to play (along with 4 or 5 loan/permanent signings) and a few remnants from the rest. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking but the alternative seems to be more of the same.
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Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:12:40 PM

Harper wont be here next season. So that's 2 including Field. Seems a little short handed for the type of changes people would like, think would be best ..


Well that's an opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong but until that's confirmed I'd include him as part of our plans.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:14:02 PM
We have a choice of sticking with the same old yet again or forging a new team. A new manager, dare I say someone like Potter(but it won't be him), may come in here look at players we've hardly seen so far like Tulloch, Rogers, Soule...added to Edwards, Field, hopefully Harper and think these are talented and will have the energy and ability to fit the style I want to play (along with 4 or 5 loan/permanent signings) and a few remnants from the rest. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking but the alternative seems to be more of the same.


The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
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Post by: Mo on April 06, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.

On what basis do you say Tulloch isn’t good enough ? He’s a kid who has hardly any first team experience !
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 06, 2019, 09:24:10 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
So Jacko  what would be your plan of action for next season assuming we are still in the championship?
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Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:28:50 PM
On what basis do you say Tulloch isn’t good enough ? He’s a kid who has hardly any first team experience !


Just my opinion based on what I've seen of him. I look at footballers with a) intelligence, b) ability to execute what they attempt (technique), c) consistency in what they do, above all else. Others tend to look at pace, power which is fine until you meet teams that nulify the physicality you have.

I'm not always right by any means but generally I find long term I'm usually not far wrong.
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:31:05 PM

The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
You seem to be judging on one game though. We could/should be losing Rondon, Phillips, Hegazi, Dawson, J-Rod, (Gayle obviously), Gibbs....Barry out of contract, Morrison (are we relying on him during the inexplicable 2nd year of his contract?), lost track of Brunt's contract. We can either faff about with the old heads running the show again (when fit) or look to develop a new approach under a progressive manager.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:33:37 PM
So Jacko  what would be your plan of action for next season assuming we are still in the championship?


The horse may have bolted but we should just get Jokanovic irrespective of division. Beg Rondon for a season at this level or sell him and give the manager all the money to spend. Get rid of players who can't play with a ball at feet, the likes of Dawson, Livermore, Rodriguez, Kanu.


Trust a good manager to rebuild however he wants. A team next season regularly featuring Edwards, Field, Tulloch, Rogers and Soule will get relegated from the Championship.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
You seem to be judging on one game though. We could/should be losing Rondon, Phillips, Hegazi, Dawson, J-Rod, (Gayle obviously), Gibbs....Barry out of contract, Morrison (are we relying on him during the inexplicable 2nd year of his contract?), lost track of Brunt's contract. We can either faff about with the old heads running the show again (when fit) or look to develop a new approach under a progressive manager.


I am judging on one game on the basis it was the best opposition they're eligible to face but are still not as good as Ipswich for example.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
It is the obvious move mate, but Jenkins and SGM do not get on, so will not happen. The club unfortunately does NOT come first.
I really don't know where we are, but it seems like we are back in Trevor Summers time!
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
It is the obvious move mate, but Jenkins and SGM do not get on, so will not happen. The club unfortunately does NOT come first.
I really don't know where we are, but it seems like we are back in Trevor Summers time!

Trev “The Shed” oh happy days in comparison
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 09:44:54 PM

The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
As in awful like the dingles who will get relegated ?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:47:46 PM
As in awful like the dingles who will get relegated ?


Mate you likened Moore to Zidane earlier...
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:51:01 PM

Just my opinion based on what I've seen of him. I look at footballers with a) intelligence, b) ability to execute what they attempt (technique), c) consistency in what they do, above all else. Others tend to look at pace, power which is fine until you meet teams that nulify the physicality you have.

I'm not always right by any means but generally I find long term I'm usually not far wrong.
Fair enough - but you have to have pace in your side these days and that's not going to change. Harvey Barnes would score quite highly on your 3 measures and on pace (but that's no help to us now)...but the rest would be trailing (fully fit Phillips aside). You may have seen a fair bit of Tulloch but still seems pretty harsh to say he's not good enough...actually looked pretty decent when used in the cup.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
No I didn't
I listed zidane as one of a few managers that had gone back to a club they had managed , you were probably distracted by the sight of salad with his shirt off


I am quite the herbivore to be fair... likened does not mean compared. Hope this helps.
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 06, 2019, 10:12:46 PM
We have consistently neglected to put money or long term thought into managerial appointments. To me this situation is Albion in microcosm.  You could argue the manager is the most important role at a football club. We historically appoint people out of work. As has been said many times the past few appointments were: Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew, Moore, Shan (game by game). Who is confident it will be different next?
There is 120 million on the line and no-one knows what’s going on :)
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 10:13:16 PM

I am quite the herbivore to be fair... likened does not mean compared. Hope this helps.
Still incorrect

I listed four managers that had gone back to a club....Moore has not, how can this be likening or comparing ?
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Post by: mig on April 06, 2019, 10:16:19 PM
We have consistently neglected to put money or long term thought into managerial appointments. To me this situation is Albion in microcosm.  You could argue the manager is the most important role at a football club. We historically appoint people out of work. As has been said many times the past few appointments were: Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew, Moore, Shan (game by game). Who is confident it will be different next?
There is 120 million on the line and no-one knows what’s going on :)

I think the bigger issue highlighted by that list of managers is the lack of consistency in terms of approach/style of football, which in turn illustrates that the club has no long-term strategy or direction.
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Post by: royhan on April 06, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
It beggars belief that a club vying for one of the top leagues in world football can be so ill prepared. The word shambles hardly does justice to the shambolic situation we find ourselves in. The blame lies right at the top. Lai has been a total disaster and yet I can’t see him selling while he clings to the dream of the club somehow finding its way back to the lucrative Premier League. Sadly, I can only see us going one way from now on - downhill.
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Post by: slate on April 06, 2019, 10:31:11 PM
This is quite the comedy thread now.

Let's be honest, as fans, we do not know any more about what makes a successful team than anybody else.

Evens the professionals don't get it.

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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 10:37:12 PM
This is quite the comedy thread now.

Let's be honest, as fans, we do not know any more about what makes a successful team than anybody else.

Evens the professionals don't get it.
but we all have ideas and thoughts which we like to discuss - isn't that the point of an online forum ?
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Post by: darbolina on April 06, 2019, 11:04:48 PM
Beginning to think there's a big problem with the leadership of the club. We're being run really poorly atm and fans need answers at least , and changes at best.

A new manager won't change some deep seated issues overnight but these players do need a big wake up call , general defending and Hegazi showed there's a lack of discipline. We will sleep walk to the end of the season unless the dynamics change soon.

No way in the World is this team going to get promoted. They're already onto their agents or retired  by the looks of it.



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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 11:06:12 PM
Beginning to think there's a big problem with the leadership of the club. We're being run really poorly atm and fans need answers at least , and changes at best.

A new manager won't change some deep seated issues overnight but these players do need a big wake up call , general defending and Hegazi showed there's a lack of discipline. We will sleep walk to the end of the season unless the dynamics change soon.

No way in the World is this team going to get promoted. They're already onto their agents or retired  by the looks of it.

We need a new broom with the backing of the board to make the clear out but there has to be a clear vision and if that takes a couples of years then we have to stick with it. The quick fix cheap option is not working.
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Post by: johnnyg on April 06, 2019, 11:08:10 PM
We've tried the tippy tappy - it didn't work.
We've tried playing out from the back - it hasn't worked.
We've tried playing 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, its arguable none of them have worked consistently.

Do you know what I think we need for the last 10 games ?  Get back to basics, tighten up at the back, start playing a no-nonsense 4-4-2 or preferably a 4-3-2-1.  These last 10 games are like a league within a league, so to speak.  We need someone who is cut out for this... someone who has been there and done it before in this scenario...   i totally understand that he wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea right now, but considering all of the above points I made, I would contend that Sir Gary Megson is an ideal guy to bring in on a short-term contract til the end of the season.  I honestly believe he would get us up.

I posted the above on the 10 March.... and I still adamantly feel its the only way to go for the rest of the season, especially after todays shambles at Milwall.  Jenkins just needs to swallow his pride and do it.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2019, 11:10:44 PM
We need a new broom with the backing of the board to make the clear out but there has to be a clear vision and if that takes a couples of years then we have to stick with it. The quick fix cheap option is not working.

Need to get a board first before we can talk about getting the backing of the board!   
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2019, 11:12:13 PM
I posted the above on the 10 March.... and I still adamantly feel its the only way to go for the rest of the season, especially after todays shambles at Milwall.  Jenkins just needs to swallow his pride and do it.

There’s far too much bad blood between those two for it to happen.  Move on.
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Post by: Ross on April 07, 2019, 12:39:48 AM
If Megson’s dinosaur football is the answer, then I don’t want to know the question.

The board have well are truly mucked this up. The majority praised them for being decisive in rightly letting Big Dave go. Surely they must have known they needed to pay the big money for the new manager?!

Never has a team entered the playoffs with such a frustrated fanbase and lethargic squad.

Bite the bullet, pay the money, get someone in ffs  ???
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 07, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
The last thing we need is someone to assist Shan . We need someone to take charge of our team, and as supporters, we need to take account of the fact , that some of our players are poor and it will not be easy for any incoming manager to ignite a successful play-off promotion drive.
Prepare for the worst and recruit someone capable of building a team from the bottom up.
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Post by: Blowee on April 07, 2019, 07:19:15 AM
The last thing we need is someone to assist Shan . We need someone to take charge of our team, and as supporters, we need to take account of the fact , that some of our players are poor and it will not be easy for any incoming manager to ignite a successful play-off promotion drive.
Prepare for the worst and recruit someone capable of building a team from the bottom up.
The silence from the board is deafening on the situation. I honestly can't see what the thinking is other than a fingers crossed approach that JS somehow manages to hold things together enough to get us up via the playoffs. From owners who are clearly very successful in business it seems amazing that there is no long term strategy. Promotion leads to the pot of gold but in which direction is our club going if by some miracle we achieve it?
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Post by: tuamigos on April 07, 2019, 08:00:41 AM
Interesting to hear Shan's after game comments yesterday,
'we'll sit down and watch the game back then pick the bones out of it and prepare for the next game'
Almost word for word what Moore used to say.
The current mindset is within the club top to bottom
We haven't improved what we had, we've replaced like for like.
We keep replacing managers yet the infrastructure remains the same.
We need a clear out from top to bottom, for that to happen we need to get owners on board that have a clear and concise vision.
The sooner Lai goes the better and until he does don't expect anything radical to happen anytime soon
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Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?
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Post by: frazzle on April 07, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?

Totally agree. Sadly he also needs to want to come. With our track record I’m not certain we are as attractive a proposition as we would like.
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Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Totally agree. Sadly he also needs to want to come. With our track record I’m not certain we are as attractive a proposition as we would like.


Much like players, managers will come if you give them what they want. We need to take the situation by the balls and make sure he comes. That's the difference between winners and losers in life winners make things happen, they make sure they get what they want losers accept situations and bemoan their luck.
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Post by: Wigmore on April 07, 2019, 09:27:47 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?
Can you remind me how the club he got promoted got on this season whilst he was still at the helm?
How much was spent on that team after he got promotion?
Would you say that the club he got promoted shows any lasting signs of a change of DNA?
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 07, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Can you remind me how the club he got promoted got on this season whilst he was still at the helm?
How much was spent on that team after he got promotion?
Would you say that the club he got promoted shows any lasting signs of a change of DNA?

If rumours are to be believed, he had next to no say in last summer’s £100m transfer spend, and didn’t end up with anything like he wanted.  Fulham had next to nobody in the squad with any PL experience.
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Post by: Mo on April 07, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?

The problem with Jokanovic as I see it is that he had quite a number of backroom staff at Fulham so if he wanted to bring them here that’s five staff we potentially could have to pay a promotion bonus to can you see this tight fisted bunch of wet blankets doing that ? add in that the club will expect Shan to be involved and then the overhaul of the squad required with no money to spend I can see why we haven’t appointed anyone.

Our level of ambition under Jenkins  points to Appleton , Neil , or Paul Hurst someone who will be prepared to take the job and inherit Shan .
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Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 09:44:27 AM
The problem with Jokanovic as I see it is that he had quite a number of backroom staff at Fulham so if he wanted to bring them here that’s five staff we potentially could have to pay a promotion bonus to can you see this tight fisted bunch of wet blankets doing that ? add in that the club will expect Shan to be involved and then the overhaul of the squad required with no money to spend I can see why we haven’t appointed anyone.

Our level of ambition under Jenkins  points to Appleton , Neil , or Paul Hurst someone who will be prepared to take the job and inherit Shan .


Jenkins has to change his mindset and so does Lai. Will they do that? Probably not which is why we'll miss a golden opportunity.

This is an absolutely massive appointment for Albion it can be the difference between a year or two's re-build and a decade in the wilderness.

We have to get this right and if Lai and Jenkins are too blind, too arrogant or too stupid to understand that they will pay the ultimate price. Unfortunately so will West Bromwich Albion.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 07, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
They have got to act fast and make an appointment because this sitting in limbo is no good for anyone.

Quite frankly, whoever they appoint they need to back because this squad, which is heralded as one of the best in the division, is rubbish

If they are going to continue with Shan - which will be a disaster - then they need to appoint someone to help him out
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 07, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Any one else get the feeling that this particular issue has passed some sort of tipping point amongst the fan base?
I see things heating up on this thread and a number of others in not a good way. I often claim to be a 'glass half full' Baggie but even I am becoming a bit frustrated by it all and the lack of a clear direction or leadership
The minutes of the Albion Assembly could well be what finally lights the blue touchpaper (assuming they are not over diluted or heavily redacted) are there not one or two on here who attend could give us a heads up if they are going to be worth waiting for?
COYB and see the travelling hoards down in Brizzle on Tuesday
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 07, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
Don't know if anyone has posted this sound bite from DW:

“I have two markets now where I am absolutely ready to compete when the right opportunity comes around the corner. The set-up has to be right. The owner has to be brave enough to try and bring his club forward and the mindset has to be exciting and really challenging.”

Not us then.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 07, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
According to alan nixon.. usually not far off. Alex Neil is number one target. Have to wait till summer.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2019, 11:12:45 AM
Don't know if anyone has posted this sound bite from DW:

“I have two markets now where I am absolutely ready to compete when the right opportunity comes around the corner. The set-up has to be right. The owner has to be brave enough to try and bring his club forward and the mindset has to be exciting and really challenging.”

Not us then.

It makes no sense to protect an allegedly £200 million investment long term with a rookie Head Coach.
It does make sense to wait for the right Head Coach, if you can be confident that you can attract them.
Following yesterday's result, it's unlikely that we'll now get promoted automatically, & even as part of the play off teams our form is pretty dour. The chances are, we'll remain a Championship club.

DW could be attracted by Fulham, it's unlikely he'll go back to Huddersfield & then it depends who else is relegated.

I would say, we're a pretty attractive proposition for someone of DW's calibre.

Not sure how practical it is, because of contracts, but I agree we do need a rebuild. IMO, that would be an almost unique opportunity for a new H/C to put his mark on WBAFC.

In some ways, I think we could get a more exciting & developing coach as a Championship team than we could in the Prem, limited resources, would tend to attract somebody like Alladyce IMO.
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Post by: alex1 on April 07, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
If rumours are to be believed, he had next to no say in last summer’s £100m transfer spend, and didn’t end up with anything like he wanted.  Fulham had next to nobody in the squad with any PL experience.

Fulham's owner may be a millionaire, but doesn't sound like anyone with football insight.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 07, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Fulham's owner may be a millionaire, but doesn't sound like anyone with football insight.

Correct.  Wasn’t it his own son in charge of transfer policy?
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Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
By the time Moore was sacked automatic promotion was out of the question the 3 wins prior to yesterday steadied the ship and nearly locked up a play-off spot. We will either scrape through the playoffs or be dumped out fairly unceremoniously and I see the latter as being the most likely outcome. I also don't think it makes a blind bit of difference who is in charge of this group of players.

Ultimately regardless of the coach this group of players have let the club down whenever something has got difficult whenever an opportunity to achieve something has presented itself they have spurned it. The squad on paper is one of the better ones in the division but nobody can tell me how it should play. We can't play out from the back because we don't have the quality (but we are paying enough to think that we should) we can't go direct because we don't have a target man. We might try something in between those 2 extremes but that sees us fall between two stools and be neither one thing nor the other.

Getting the right coach in is far more important than making an appointment but what is more critical is that the club has a clear idea of the style it wants to pursue and clears out this squad during the summer. 

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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 07, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
Correct.  Wasn’t it his own son in charge of transfer policy?

I think his son's friend has a role somewhere as well
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Post by: telford baggie on April 07, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
According to alan nixon.. usually not far off. Alex Neil is number one target. Have to wait till summer.
if that is correct then that would tell us everything we need to know about where the club will be...mid table championship team and cheap signings
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Post by: divinewind on April 07, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
I am starting to believe it may not be a bad thing not to go up this season.
We are a club with no direction, and no financial support from the owner.
Most of the players are past their sell by date.
I could imagine Wolves fans rubbing their hands with glee if this bunch somehow managed to get up. It would take a lot of money to just keep us up.
We need to get in a top coach in the summer, hopefully Lai will have his purse strings relaxed.
We need a manager like Neil or Wagner to overhaul the playing staff and build a team good enough to take us up and stay there.

A manager should have the funds from the sales of Rondon, Rodriguez etc. to begin with anyway.
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Post by: baggie82 on April 07, 2019, 02:57:52 PM
I am starting to believe it may not be a bad thing not to go up this season.
We are a club with no direction, and no financial support from the owner.

Exactly why we need to go up. We can then use the PL money to rebuild the entire team. If we stay down it just get's worse. We'd still have no direction or financial support, we'd just be poorer, with more championship mediocrity on the horizon.
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Post by: gazberg on April 07, 2019, 03:03:56 PM
Spot on, anyone who thinks it's better to stay down with less money is worrying me.

We just need a manager, we haven't had one all year. Moore isnt a manager and neither is Shan. This board want shooting.
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Post by: royhan on April 07, 2019, 03:19:44 PM
The bookies have a new name in the frame - German-Italian Domenico Tedesco. He was sacked last month as manager of Schalke 0-4. His current odds 14/1.
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Post by: frazzle on April 07, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
He looks to be young with loads of passion and had some success.
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Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
The bookies have a new name in the frame - German-Italian Domenico Tedesco. He was sacked last month as manager of Schalke 0-4. His current odds 14/1.

I wouldn't spend much of my bankroll on that bet. The next turn of the managerial merry go round will see him land a job in a top 5 league maybe just maybe if we get promoted but never in a month of Sundays in the Championship. And absolutely not a tactical fit with our current squad.
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Post by: Pureade1 on April 07, 2019, 05:10:41 PM
With this board in charge we are more liekly to end up with mike bassett in charge than someone young and exciting.

As fans we need to put pressure on this board and ownership as they really do seem clueluess. Feel sorry for Shan he is doing his best in a role he is unprepared for and judging from his interview comments about not being told if its till the end of the season or anything he seems to be kept in the dark as much as we are.

Get the Lai and his clueless board out of our club otherwise we will be another club in trouble in the next year or two i believe.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 07, 2019, 05:34:06 PM
Following yesterday's result, it's unlikely that we'll now get promoted automatically, & even as part of the play off teams our form is pretty dour. The chances are, we'll remain a Championship club.

Not sure how practical it is, because of contracts, but I agree we do need a rebuild. IMO, that would be an almost unique opportunity for a new H/C to put his mark on WBAFC.

In some ways, I think we could get a more exciting & developing coach as a Championship team than we could in the Prem, limited resources, would tend to attract somebody like Alladyce IMO.

I feel the same way. If going up means we go for an Allardyce I'd rather we reinvent ourselves. Looks like we are going to have to with the squad anyway.
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Post by: alex1 on April 07, 2019, 06:03:46 PM
The bookies have a new name in the frame - German-Italian Domenico Tedesco. He was sacked last month as manager of Schalke 0-4. His current odds 14/1.

Tedesco is only 33 years old. Got Schalke to second in Bundesliga last year, but then went 7 matches without winning including Man City putting 7 past them.

If we're interested in a German manager, Jurgen Klinsmann is available. 
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 08, 2019, 08:45:37 AM
Hoping to see some significant movement on this subject today.

If the board have looked at our past four performances and think that Shan is the man for the play offs, they are sadly mistaken.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 08, 2019, 08:51:39 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

James Shan will be in charge of #wba against Bristol City. No kneejerk reaction to his first defeat. But coaches likely to join after with Craig Shakespeare primary candidate. However, board not yet ruled out appointing new interim boss if things get worse

Sighs!
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 08, 2019, 08:53:44 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

James Shan will be in charge of #wba against Bristol City. No kneejerk reaction to his first defeat. But coaches likely to join after with Craig Shakespeare primary candidate. However, board not yet ruled out appointing new interim boss if things get worse

Sighs!

...if things get worse.

We have 6 games left, we need someone in to prepare the team for the two biggest games of the season. We have made an utter pigs ear of the season, yet it can still be salvaged if they act now, bringing in coaches to support Shan (who are infinitely more qualified than Shan to be the head coach might I add) is not the answer.
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Post by: SmethDan on April 08, 2019, 08:58:20 AM
Hoping to see some significant movement on this subject today.

If the board have looked at our past four performances and think that Shan is the man for the play offs, they are sadly mistaken.

I've seen dried concrete move quicker.

Never waste hope on an immovable object as it will only spoil your day.

You see, it's not even 09:00 hrs and I've already put a dampener on yours  ;D  ;) .
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 08, 2019, 09:04:39 AM
I've seen dried concrete move quicker.

Never waste hope on an immovable object as it will only spoil your day.

You see, it's not even 09:00 hrs and I've already put a dampener on yours  ;D  ;) .

In fairness, hope was probably the wrong word used by me, as I have none of it when it comes to the Albion now, sadly.

I guess, donning the business cap that Jenkins wears, I put my hope down to the fact that they removed Moore because they wanted to put everything into promotion so surely they can see that Shan is not the answer. Had Swansea put 6 past us, it would not have been unjust, had the Blues beaten us, ditto. The Milwall performance was an utter abomination. They surely have to look at it and think this is not the way to go?! Surely?! GIVE ME SOME HOPE PEOPLE!!
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Post by: tuamigos on April 08, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
We keep changing managers and the end result is always the same.
Short term thinking = long term problems.
Infrastructure is all wrong, we need to get this chairman to sell up and move back to the Dan Ashworth model. Get a manager in with a long term project in mind, get rid of some of the overpaid wasters on the books and use the academy to its best effect.
Modern football relies on pace and control, commodities  we are sadly lacking in
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Post by: BoingFlyer on April 08, 2019, 10:18:38 AM


I would let the senior players have the manager's position until the end of the season, 3 wins and a loss so far, none of the wins have been convincing. Then look to get a decent manager in who will kick the lot of them out and rebuild with a blend of youth and experience.
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Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2019, 10:22:09 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

James Shan will be in charge of #wba against Bristol City. No kneejerk reaction to his first defeat. But coaches likely to join after with Craig Shakespeare primary candidate. However, board not yet ruled out appointing new interim boss if things get worse




What a way to run a club. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 08, 2019, 10:26:22 AM

I would let the senior players have the manager's position until the end of the season, 3 wins and a loss so far, none of the wins have been convincing. Then look to get a decent manager in who will kick the lot of them out and rebuild with a blend of youth and experience.

We need someone who knows about the play offs, let players concentrate on doing what they are paid to do and get a coach in to concentrate on what he is paid to do.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 08, 2019, 10:31:27 AM

I would let the senior players have the manager's position until the end of the season, 3 wins and a loss so far, none of the wins have been convincing. Then look to get a decent manager in who will kick the lot of them out and rebuild with a blend of youth and experience.
I have changed my mind now, it looks like Shan is just going for the "same old same old" and we will get eased aside in the playoffs by someone with bit of nous like Lampard or Smith.  We need someone experienced in on a 3 month contract with a fat bonus and another year for getting us up, I don't really care if its Allardyce, I'll hold my nose.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
We need someone who knows about the play offs, let players concentrate on doing what they are paid to do and get a coach in to concentrate on what he is paid to do.
I think the opposite mate, I think we need a motivator, these players look totally clueless. Someone needs to come in who can pick them up for the last 6 games or so and build some confidence, a bit like Moore did last season.
These players have a history of dying on their backside. Two seasons running with Pulis, once the 40 points was achieved, then under Pardew, because they didn't like him.
Someone needs to come in, look at the players available, pick a style and formation that suits and give them some belief.
Whichever way you look at it, these are poor players but it is possible to get a tune out of them.
The biggest villain for me though is Jenkins, to sack Moore when he did with no clue as to how to move forward, is pure incompetence and, in my view, was based purely on self preservation.
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Post by: divinewind on April 08, 2019, 10:49:58 AM
Exactly why we need to go up. We can then use the PL money to rebuild the entire team. If we stay down it just get's worse. We'd still have no direction or financial support, we'd just be poorer, with more championship mediocrity on the horizon.

We have had 8 consecutive seasons in the PL, we are owned supposedly by a billionaire, and yet we plead poverty.
Why would we spend money next season when we haven't before?

Don't get me wrong, i think we need to be in the PL too, but i just worry what would happen to us with this shower running the club.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
I think the opposite mate, I think we need a motivator, these players look totally clueless. Someone needs to come in who can pick them up for the last 6 games or so and build some confidence, a bit like Moore did last season.
These players have a history of dying on their backside. Two seasons running with Pulis, once the 40 points was achieved, then under Pardew, because they didn't like him.
Someone needs to come in, look at the players available, pick a style and formation that suits and give them some belief.
Whichever way you look at it, these are poor players but it is possible to get a tune out of them.
The biggest villain for me though is Jenkins, to sack Moore when he did with no clue as to how to move forward, is pure incompetence and, in my view, was based purely on self preservation.

How do you know it was Jenkins?

People from an accounts background are not known for kneejerk reactions, both Jenkins & Peace have reputations for being risk averse.
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Post by: darbolina on April 08, 2019, 11:22:41 AM

What a way to run a club. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ridiculous is the word for it.............shambles another.........

It's all so short term, it seems like we're up for sale...........hmmm.....?
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Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
How do you know it was Jenkins?

People from an accounts background are not known for kneejerk reactions, both Jenkins & Peace have reputations for being risk averse.
I don't, that's why I said "for me" and "in my view".
Jenkins seems to be the one hiring and firing at the moment and that's why I formed this opinion. If you know better then please enlighten me.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 08, 2019, 12:05:37 PM
I think the opposite mate, I think we need a motivator, these players look totally clueless. Someone needs to come in who can pick them up for the last 6 games or so and build some confidence, a bit like Moore did last season.
These players have a history of dying on their backside. Two seasons running with Pulis, once the 40 points was achieved, then under Pardew, because they didn't like him.
Someone needs to come in, look at the players available, pick a style and formation that suits and give them some belief.
Whichever way you look at it, these are poor players but it is possible to get a tune out of them.
The biggest villain for me though is Jenkins, to sack Moore when he did with no clue as to how to move forward, is pure incompetence and, in my view, was based purely on self preservation.


I would hope that the person we get would be both a motivator and have some experience of the playoffs to be honest especially if we bring someone in before the end of the season. In the Summer I want someone to come in, pick the best xi and put a stamp on the team without worrying about the snowflake personalities we seem to have.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2019, 12:37:17 PM

I would hope that the person we get would be both a motivator and have some experience of the playoffs to be honest especially if we bring someone in before the end of the season. In the Summer I want someone to come in, pick the best xi and put a stamp on the team without worrying about the snowflake personalities we seem to have.
I hope the summer brings a complete revamp, I would honestly be glad to see the back of:
Johnstone, Dawson, Brunt, Livermore, Phillips, Rodriguez, Morrison, Bartley and Kanu. I know that, coupled with the return of the loanees, this would leave us a near impossible task, I'm just sick of seeing them under-perform week in week out whilst getting paid ridiculous amounts.
I would love to see a progressive manager come in, on a long term plan, and start from scratch. Never going to happen with the shower of idiots we have running the club though. More likely we will amble from one short term disaster to another, whilst dropping down the league.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 08, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
I hope the summer brings a complete revamp, I would honestly be glad to see the back of:
Johnstone, Dawson, Brunt, Livermore, Phillips, Rodriguez, Morrison, Bartley and Kanu. I know that, coupled with the return of the loanees, this would leave us a near impossible task, I'm just sick of seeing them under-perform week in week out whilst getting paid ridiculous amounts.
I would love to see a progressive manager come in, on a long term plan, and start from scratch. Never going to happen with the shower of idiots we have running the club though. More likely we will amble from one short term disaster to another, whilst dropping down the league.

I think this is why Wagner has been mentioned, didn't he bring in something like 13/14 new players in his first Summer with Huddersfield, all on the cheap?

Need to clear a few out regardless of time spent at the club, free wages up and rebuild.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
I don't, that's why I said "for me" and "in my view".
Jenkins seems to be the one hiring and firing at the moment and that's why I formed this opinion. If you know better then please enlighten me.

I don't know better, but Jenkins also has a boss, it could be him.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2019, 01:43:56 PM
I don't know better, but Jenkins also has a boss, it could be him.
Isn't that Lai? If so, and he made the decision, without being influenced by Jenkins or maybe Dowling, then it is even more ludicrous seeing as he's only seen us play half a dozen times and appears to have zero knowledge of football.
As I've said before, and it is just my opinion, I cannot back it up in any way, I reckon Jenkins was summoned to China and called to task and threw Moore under the bus in order to save his own skin. That's why there's no plan B.
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Post by: Hayward1984 on April 08, 2019, 01:51:45 PM
Well they did sack Moore before they went to China but you could be right.
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Post by: darbolina on April 08, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
Li Piyue is the (anonymous) chairman , Mark Jenkins (financially focused) Chief Exec, Luke Dowling (where is he?) DoF, no head coach.

Have we ever seemed so rudderless on the football side since the 90s?
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
Isn't that Lai? If so, and he made the decision, without being influenced by Jenkins or maybe Dowling, then it is even more ludicrous seeing as he's only seen us play half a dozen times and appears to have zero knowledge of football.
As I've said before, and it is just my opinion, I cannot back it up in any way, I reckon Jenkins was summoned to China and called to task and threw Moore under the bus in order to save his own skin. That's why there's no plan B.

That's the point though, our owner is missing & unpredictable, so we don't know who is responsible for our current position.

Also GL did not hesitate in sacking our previous Chairman & CEO, so I doubt that MJ would have had the chance to throw DM under a bus to save his skin. Owners tend to be ruthless at that level.

I happen to think there is a plan B, but, it's conditional on where we end up at the end of the season. Personally, I think the plan was to go for Jokanavic, but another, more attractive name came up, conditional on us getting promotion, so we decided to play a waiting game.
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Post by: Pureade1 on April 08, 2019, 02:53:47 PM
That's the point though, our owner is missing & unpredictable, so we don't know who is responsible for our current position.

Also GL did not hesitate in sacking our previous Chairman & CEO, so I doubt that MJ would have had the chance to throw DM under a bus to save his skin. Owners tend to be ruthless at that level.

I happen to think there is a plan B, but, it's conditional on where we end up at the end of the season. Personally, I think the plan was to go for Jokanavic, but another, more attractive name came up, conditional on us getting promotion, so we decided to play a waiting game.

I respect your optimism mate but heres my concern with that scenario-

If its conditional on us going up why leave it to Shan to try and achieve that? As much as the guy seems a genuinely nice fella i think we all have doubts that he has the experience to guide us through the playoffs. Why not being someone in on a short contract such as megson etc who at least has the knowledge where shan lacks...... also what if we do fail to go up which is a very realistic situation right now? Where does that leave us? Plan C?
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Post by: seteefeet on April 08, 2019, 03:02:03 PM
Well they did sack Moore before they went to China but you could be right.
Fair enough, I got that wrong, like I said it was just my interpretation of the situation.
Still doesn't answer who made the decision though, or why, to some extent. We are certainly not in a better position because of it.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 08, 2019, 03:49:00 PM
CL (and I happen to agree with him) has stated in no uncertain terms that the CEO is making all of the decisions. That's Jenkins. The buck stops with him.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 03:57:13 PM
CL (and I happen to agree with him) has stated in no uncertain terms that the CEO is making all of the decisions. That's Jenkins. The buck stops with him.

I'm not sure CL knows what's going on these days. IMO there are other Journo's who are better connected than CL.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 08, 2019, 04:01:27 PM
I'm not sure CL knows what's going on these days. IMO there are other Journo's who are better connected than CL.


Agree to disagree, his history working for the club and his now unofficial contacts within the business give him a far better insight than Suart and Wilson, who are little more than fans with press passes.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 04:13:12 PM

Agree to disagree, his history working for the club and his now unofficial contacts within the business give him a far better insight than Suart and Wilson, who are little more than fans with press passes.

As you say, agree to disagree, but IMO his opinions are based on guesswork, same as you & me.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 08, 2019, 04:35:16 PM

Agree to disagree, his history working for the club and his now unofficial contacts within the business give him a far better insight than Suart and Wilson, who are little more than fans with press passes.
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And what do you think CL was / is?
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
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And what do you think CL was / is?

To be fair, CL did work for the club as part of Martin Swain's department.

He left the post some time ago, & I believe he's working as an independent journo now, but I'm not sure he's got any better access to information then any of the other local journo's.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 08, 2019, 04:51:33 PM
To be fair, CL did work for the club as part of Martin Swain's department.

He left the post some time ago, & I believe he's working as an independent journo now, but I'm not sure he's got any better access to information then any of the other local journo's.

Just to add to this post, you’ll be aware that before joining the Albion, he was a journo for the BEM and an Albion Fan.

But I agree, he probably has no more insider information than other Journo’s and was never nearly as accurate as John Percy in my view.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2019, 05:11:11 PM
I respect your optimism mate but heres my concern with that scenario-

If its conditional on us going up why leave it to Shan to try and achieve that? As much as the guy seems a genuinely nice fella i think we all have doubts that he has the experience to guide us through the playoffs. Why not being someone in on a short contract such as megson etc who at least has the knowledge where shan lacks...... also what if we do fail to go up which is a very realistic situation right now? Where does that leave us? Plan C?

Plan B has two parts:

One which sees us staying in the Championship & the other as a Premiership team.

As I see it, the board trust Shan to get us promoted, & have offered him help, which he has so far declined.

IMO, Shan has the trust of the players, but I do think he needs some help to get them over the line. The situation at the moment is finely balanced, & a poor result again tomorrow, would probably force the board into reacting, possibly to bring in someone like Megson.

I don't think we'll see a permanent appointment, until the summer
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 08, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
CL did not walk , he was pushed.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 08, 2019, 07:53:16 PM
So there was no knee-jerk reaction to us rolling over for Millwall.
What happens if we are taken apart by Bristol City and have 2 defeats in a row?

Time is short and this has been mismanaged beyond belief
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 08, 2019, 08:09:38 PM
CL did not walk , he was pushed.

Go on, tell us more, you’ve gone this far :D
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 08, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
Heard he was on gardening leave for quite some time after he 'left' .
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Post by: BalisPen on April 08, 2019, 08:42:56 PM
Anyone listen Adrian Durham on talksport this evening?

I was listening at about 4.15pm and he said he had some information about West brom at 6.30pm. I couldn't listen after 5.30pm.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 08, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
Heard he was on gardening leave for quite some time after he 'left' .

Why was he put on “gardening leave”?
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 08, 2019, 09:06:00 PM
Anyone listen Adrian Durham on talksport this evening?

I was listening at about 4.15pm and he said he had some information about West brom at 6.30pm. I couldn't listen after 5.30pm.
this popped up on news now early this afternoon.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/980723562?-11200:789
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Post by: NathWBA on April 08, 2019, 09:24:21 PM
this popped up on news now early this afternoon.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/980723562?-11200:789
that HITC article is very misleading, it references the E&S article about recruiting coaches to help Shan, not about imminently appointing a replacement
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 08, 2019, 09:48:46 PM
Why was he put on “gardening leave”?
I don't know the detail but he was pushed
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Post by: BalisPen on April 08, 2019, 09:53:50 PM
this popped up on news now early this afternoon.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/980723562?-11200:789

As soon as he mentioned West brom I looked at newsnow and read about an additional coach possibly being appointed, but I don't know what he actually revealed at 6.30pm. The way he left it until 6.30pm made it sound like it was an announcement or something.
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Post by: leeiswba on April 08, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
If how he is on Twitter is anything to go by it doesn’t surprise me, anyone who disagrees with him he basically calls thick and talks down to people.

I don't know the detail but he was pushed
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 08, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
If how he is on Twitter is anything to go by it doesn’t surprise me, anyone who disagrees with him he basically calls thick and talks down to people.
I don't know the bloke, but a mate does and he told me. There was no announcement that he had left the club.
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Post by: Standaman on April 09, 2019, 06:31:06 AM
Just another thought, rolling back the months a bit but if we're going for a rebuild we could do a lot worse than Graham Potter. Hes got Swansea playing some fantastic stuff, building a young first team andis working on a shoestring. I can see Swansea pushing for the top 6 next year if someone doesn't pinch him. Just another idea for the hat

Potter would have been my first choice for the role in the summer and I was genuinely shocked that he went to Swansea who were very obviously in chaos. However I honestly don't think while the Pulis era players are still here that we could expect any coach to get this lot playing football the outcome we currently have was with the advantage of hindsight always the most likely. 
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 08:46:38 AM
Plan B has two parts:

One which sees us staying in the Championship & the other as a Premiership team.

As I see it, the board trust Shan to get us promoted, & have offered him help, which he has so far declined.

IMO, Shan has the trust of the players, but I do think he needs some help to get them over the line. The situation at the moment is finely balanced, & a poor result again tomorrow, would probably force the board into reacting, possibly to bring in someone like Megson.

I don't think we'll see a permanent appointment, until the summer

If the board knew they were going to wait until the summer for the appointment, then Megson should have been high on the list to bring in to see the season out, will never happen with Jenkins here.

Best we can now hope for is a couple of experienced assistants  coming in to try and see us over the line.

Can see it being Shakespeare and Kevin Phillips.
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Post by: Atomic on April 09, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
Just another thought, rolling back the months a bit but if we're going for a rebuild we could do a lot worse than Graham Potter. Hes got Swansea playing some fantastic stuff, building a young first team andis working on a shoestring. I can see Swansea pushing for the top 6 next year if someone doesn't pinch him. Just another idea for the hat


Yep, I agree, I wanted Potter before. He is in a job though so it'd be unlikely (although so is Alex Neill). If we can't get / don't want Jokanovic then we should be trying to poach Potter away from Swansea.

Either of those two I'd be happy with.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 09, 2019, 08:55:31 AM
If we are interested in Michael Appleton as coaching help for Shane, we might have to hurry along with it.

“QPR hold talks with Michael Appleton over vacant managerial position”

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/08/qpr-hold-talks-michael-appleton-vacant-managerial-position/
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 09:31:06 AM
If we are interested in Michael Appleton as coaching help for Shane, we might have to hurry along with it.

“QPR hold talks with Michael Appleton over vacant managerial position”

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/04/08/qpr-hold-talks-michael-appleton-vacant-managerial-position/

To be fair I cant see Appleton coming here to help out. Think that idea sailed away the moment he said he was interested in the managers position. Bringing in him to help Shan would have possibly undermined Shan a bit and could have got a bit toxic if he had an eye on the main job.

I have posted elsewhere I expect it to be someone like Shakey/ Kevin Phillips to come in and help. Knowledge of the club and probably happy to just come in and help out with no agenda on the main job.
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Post by: NJS on April 09, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
I get the impression that the head coach the club appoints will depend on the business model of the owners. 

If the model is to get into the EPL as quickly as possible and cling on there  at whatever cost to footballing values then someone in the Alladyce or Pulis mould will be chosen.  This will secure a money stream for the owner.

If the business model is to rebuild, exploiting what comes out of the academy then someone like Potter or Wagner would be chosen.  This will save money that in the first model would be spent on acquiring and paying tough old pros.  This might bring the owner some return from the sale of talent but is a longer term project.

Regardless of whichever model is favoured, the HC needs to have a vision of how he wants to play and be able to drop or sub any player that won't or can't play that way - no matter how self-important they are.  This even includes those whom he has himself brought in at some expense.  Part of leadership is to acknowledge your own mistakes.

He must be able to read the game and have plan B and C up his sleeve if plan A is not working.  The manager's confidence in his vision must be greater than the ego of any player.

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Post by: seteefeet on April 09, 2019, 09:51:38 AM

Yep, I agree, I wanted Potter before. He is in a job though so it'd be unlikely (although so is Alex Neill). If we can't get / don't want Jokanovic then we should be trying to poach Potter away from Swansea.

Either of those two I'd be happy with.
I would argue that, if either of those had been our manager, and performed how they did earlier this season, we would have sacked them long ago.
Not saying I disagree with your choices, but this board do not have the vision to come up with a plan, let alone stick with it!
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 09:55:16 AM
IF we don't get promoted, this summer is the perfect opportunity for us to 'create an identity.'

Whilst I don't have any faith in the powers that be to be able to get this done, when you factor in the amount of outgoings we are likely to face, it would be a perfect opportunity for someone to come in and bring in their own players and way of playing, i.e Graham Potter and the high press passing game.

Granted it would mean sticking with the new man whilst the ideas get implemented, which again I cant see us doing.

Very worrying time to be a baggie at the moment. The way the club is being run at the moment makes me feel the owner may be looking at a way out rather than a long term plan for the club.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 09, 2019, 10:24:12 AM
IF we don't get promoted, this summer is the perfect opportunity for us to 'create an identity.'

Whilst I don't have any faith in the powers that be to be able to get this done, when you factor in the amount of outgoings we are likely to face, it would be a perfect opportunity for someone to come in and bring in their own players and way of playing, i.e Graham Potter and the high press passing game.

Granted it would mean sticking with the new man whilst the ideas get implemented, which again I cant see us doing.

Very worrying time to be a baggie at the moment. The way the club is being run at the moment makes me feel the owner may be looking at a way out rather than a long term plan for the club.
I'm almost at the point now where I think we would be better of getting relegated than promoted. If we go up, all I can see is another Pulis, survival at all costs type, with the players that, that brings. More ageing, 100%ers, with no real creativity or flair, just good ard working lads. The only way I can see us rebuilding to a new, young, exciting model is to drop down to League One.
Worrying times indeed.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 10:54:41 AM
I'm almost at the point now where I think we would be better of getting relegated than promoted. If we go up, all I can see is another Pulis, survival at all costs type, with the players that, that brings. More ageing, 100%ers, with no real creativity or flair, just good ard working lads. The only way I can see us rebuilding to a new, young, exciting model is to drop down to League One.
Worrying times indeed.

I think if we don't go up, it would be the ideal time to do the rebuild (the club and the fans would have to accept they may not challenge for promotion next year).

With all the loan players and the 'senior' lot that would be expected to be sold, out of contract etc it could potentially leave us with a squad of the following (before any incomings):

Johnstone
Bond

Townsend
Bartley
Fitzwater
Ferguson
Wilson

Field
Barry (unsure on his contract situation)
Livermore - signed a new contract in Dec, unsure if he would be easily moved on
Brunt/Morrison - guessing they would be kept on
Leko
Edwards

HRK
Tulloch

That's obviously assuming we sell all the players that are expected. For me that would be the perfect time to bring in players who buy into the new managers philosophy. As others have said Wagner has experience of doing this, hence why he could be the main target.

If we stay in the championship, for me I would rather see someone like Lee Johnson be given a chance as opposed to Wagner (wasn't really keen on the Huddersfield team to be fair). But the club really need to be looking at the set up of the club, it wouldn't be the worst thing in looking abroad and trying to get the next decent coach from Germany etc, look at Norwich - I cant imagine their team has cost much to put together.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in the summer we had the chance to go get a Chris Wilder, Dean Smith guy and chose to give it DM. Sheff United now look likely to take top 2, and Smith will probably do well with Villa in the playoffs.



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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 09, 2019, 11:03:16 AM
I think if we don't go up, it would be the ideal time to do the rebuild (the club and the fans would have to accept they may not challenge for promotion next year).

With all the loan players and the 'senior' lot that would be expected to be sold, out of contract etc it could potentially leave us with a squad of the following (before any incomings):

Johnstone
Bond

Townsend
Bartley
Fitzwater
Ferguson
Wilson

Field
Barry (unsure on his contract situation)
Livermore - signed a new contract in Dec, unsure if he would be easily moved on
Brunt/Morrison - guessing they would be kept on

Leko
Edwards

HRK
Tulloch

That's obviously assuming we sell all the players that are expected. For me that would be the perfect time to bring in players who buy into the new managers philosophy. As others have said Wagner has experience of doing this, hence why he could be the main target.

If we stay in the championship, for me I would rather see someone like Lee Johnson be given a chance as opposed to Wagner (wasn't really keen on the Huddersfield team to be fair). But the club really need to be looking at the set up of the club, it wouldn't be the worst thing in looking abroad and trying to get the next decent coach from Germany etc, look at Norwich - I cant imagine their team has cost much to put together.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in the summer we had the chance to go get a Chris Wilder, Dean Smith guy and chose to give it DM. Sheff United now look likely to take top 2, and Smith will probably do well with Villa in the playoffs.
So you have given up on Harper, but you seem to be saying that it's OK to keep this bunch of wasters?
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Post by: don1thedon on April 09, 2019, 11:09:37 AM
I think if we don't go up, it would be the ideal time to do the rebuild (the club and the fans would have to accept they may not challenge for promotion next year).
I think you're probably right from a football perspective Mister AT, unfortunately it's pretty clear that's really not what the owner has in mind!
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 11:14:21 AM
So you have given up on Harper, but you seem to be saying that it's OK to keep this bunch of wasters?

I haven't given up on him, but I expect him to leave when his contract expires and sign for a prem team yes.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 09, 2019, 11:29:31 AM
I haven't given up on him, but I expect him to leave when his contract expires and sign for a prem team yes.
You are probably correct unfortunately, but we cannot hope to build from bottom up with these undesirable seniors still around, and we need to get rid of them.
We should sell Livermore to the highest bidder......however low that bid might be, and if the other three are still contracted, then take a hit, pay them off and get rid! They are not conducive to a rebuild,and are a bad influence, deciding when, and for who, they will make the effort. 
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Post by: gazberg on April 09, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
This has to be the season the old boys go regardless of what division we are in next year.

The next manager needs to be someone with no ties to the club within the last 15 years.
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Post by: pensnett stu on April 09, 2019, 02:48:36 PM
Always thought there was something wrong in the club when Odemwingie suggested there was a click in the dressing room that influenced events, that's way we need a complete clear out of the old players by the next manager/coach, but I won't be holding my breath


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Post by: BB74 on April 09, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
This has to be the season the old boys go regardless of what division we are in next year.

The next manager needs to be someone with no ties to the club within the last 15 years.

Derek McInnes
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Post by: seteefeet on April 09, 2019, 04:22:12 PM
Derek McInnes
Martin Jol
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Post by: Blowee on April 09, 2019, 04:23:59 PM
Martin Jol
Ron Atkinson!
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Post by: gazberg on April 09, 2019, 04:54:25 PM
Alan Buckley!

Yeah i think i was a bit too generous.
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Post by: smosher34 on April 09, 2019, 08:11:40 PM
Playing with fire not getting a manager in and we will get our fingers burned.. The money at stake to go up and we mess about should of had a new boss in on the Monday Moore was sacked.
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Post by: Dan on April 09, 2019, 08:12:20 PM
They'll get someone in now after that shambles no doubt. The problem is as they always do it'll be with no long term panic or forethought. It'll be someone who's rubbish but apparently has experience - expect someone like Iain Dowie to make a resurgence into management.

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Post by: darbolina on April 09, 2019, 08:15:24 PM
here we go , short term panic appointment number 15!! what a poor excuse for a leadership team we have at the moment
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Post by: mig on April 09, 2019, 08:16:13 PM
They'll get someone in now after that shambles no doubt. The problem is as they always do it'll be with no long term panic or forethought. It'll be someone who's rubbish but apparently has experience - expect someone like Iain Dowie to make a resurgence into management.

yes this is the concern. Should be going all out for Jokanovic, but will end up with Shakespeare or someone of that ilk. The incompetence of our senior management/board is astounding really. Makes you wonder how they're involved in football at such a high level.
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Post by: mr multivac on April 09, 2019, 08:16:58 PM
Let’s be honest when they sacked big Dave ,Gareth Barry would of been a better option than Shan ,he’s about the same age knows at least if not more about football thanShan and I bet the players respect him a lot more than Paget Rangers Jimmy Shan
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Post by: Pelada on April 09, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
The current trouncing that is happening down at Bristol City tonight is the coming together of a series of absolutely woeful managerial appointments and poor investment ever since Roy Hodgson left.

We still have the same faces making good money at our club despite their stale decline (Brunt, Morrison, Livermore), we’ve replaced a top class Ben Foster with an awful Sam Johnstone.

Clarke, Mel, IRVINE (WTF??), Pulis (once unthinkable that we’d turn to him), Darren Moore (??!). We then sack Moore and let a random bloke carry on and ply the same players and formations  :o (Gayle on the left...when will we learn?)Astonishing set of appointments for a team that had built a really solid Premier League squad.

To think of the 15 years of hard work that the board and those at the top have undone makes me feel sick. We have thrown the Premier leave status and quality down the pan over a series of awful decisions.

This football club is in real danger of being in League 1 within a couple of years. We have seen a lot of big clubs drop. Sunderland, Norwich, Saints, Wolves, Leeds.

We so badly need some right decisions to give the club some direction.

MASSIVE summer pending (assuming we get mullered in the play offs). Huge decision on the managerial appointment.
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Post by: kirk on April 09, 2019, 08:27:05 PM
Who the hell sacks a manager and has no one lined up to come in. Jenkins has dropped the ball big time
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Post by: tennant1wba on April 09, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
only west bromwich albion would do that
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Post by: Aztech on April 09, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
The entire team look like they cannot be arsed
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 09, 2019, 08:58:08 PM
Frankly I wouldn't take there job if it was offered to me. And I don't think any self respecting manager out there will either. At the moment the club is a complete mess, and I fear we haven't reached the bottom of the barrel yet. It's going to be a long journey, , and not necessarily a happy one. I fear we are going back to the bad day of the late 80's
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Post by: BoingFlyer on April 09, 2019, 09:45:08 PM

No way should Jimmy be blamed for this farce, he is a sticking plaster when the patient needs major surgery. An absolute farce of a situation to be in, Moore should have been given a chance and backed by the board instead of bowing to the senior players again.
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Post by: paulosull on April 09, 2019, 09:46:05 PM
NEW MAN IN GHARGE TOMORROW Jenkins
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Post by: Sted1990 on April 09, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
Tomorrow!!!!!!!! Get a leader in.

I am fuming.
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Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
Shan lacks passion and lacks personality.  Sick to the back of teeth of every opposition having greater will to win.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 09, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
‪I’m expecting a tweet from Matt Wilson in a few hours along the lines of ‘Board to keep faith with Shan after being encouraged by second half fight back’ ‬ :(
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Post by: east-stand-nick on April 09, 2019, 09:49:07 PM
How many times has it been said on this forum now "we need a massive clear out in the summer"? Must have been the last 3 or 4 years at least.
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Post by: Baggies on April 09, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
We have been a farce from start to finish. This has been a really poor advertisement of Jenkins and Dowling's ability to lead the club forward. Nothing in their decision making this season leads me to have any faith that they have it in them to complete the necessary rebuild this summer. Nicky Hammond mark 2.
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Post by: kris_boing on April 09, 2019, 09:51:12 PM
New manager in NOW before we completely capitulate.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2019, 09:53:59 PM
The club will act now. It's actually ideal for them. They've conveniently left it too late to appoint a 'project' manager, they can even say they tried to change the culture with Moore. We'll get an Allardyce or Moyes on a 3 year deal with a massive bonus to take us up and the cycle begins again.


This is why you never sack someone like Pulis midseason.
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Post by: Dexy on April 09, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
‪I’m expecting a tweet from Matt Wilson in a few hours along the lines of ‘Board to keep faith with Shan after being encouraged by second half fight back’ ‬ :(
Thought that myself , If we'd have drawn that Shan would have been in charge for Preston.
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Post by: Dexy on April 09, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
The club will act now. It's actually ideal for them. They've conveniently left it too late to appoint a 'project' manager, they can even say they tried to change the culture with Moore. We'll get an Allardyce or Moyes on a 3 year deal with a massive bonus to take us up and the cycle begins again.


This is why you never sack someone like Pulis midseason.
Take Allardyce or Moyes now , fed up with these physically and mentally weak players.
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Post by: Mo on April 09, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
There has to be someone with authority and presence in that dug out before Saturday. There is a big problem with attitude as the mentality from the top is comfort zone .
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 10:04:30 PM
£5 says the clubs idea of sorting this out will be to give Shan an ‘experienced’ assistant.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 09, 2019, 10:09:11 PM
£5 says the clubs idea of sorting this out will be to give Shan an ‘experienced’ assistant.

Which solves little, we need an experienced MANAGER to come in, give a few rollickings and get rid of this comfy culture that has been mentioned over and over for too long now.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on April 09, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
£5 says the clubs idea of sorting this out will be to give Shan an ‘experienced’ assistant.
That is the cost effective option so that will happen
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Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
There has to be someone with authority and presence in that dug out before Saturday. There is a big problem with attitude as the mentality from the top is comfort zone .

It is completely down to motivation.  When was the last time we took the game to the opposition?  Look at the money our players have cost compared to dross like Millwall.

Imagine Man City constantly getting caught in possession v Newcastle for example?

It wouldn’t happen.  There is something seriously wrong with preparation. 
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Post by: Mister AT on April 09, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
Which solves little, we need an experienced MANAGER to come in, give a few rollickings and get rid of this comfy culture that has been mentioned over and over for too long now.

I agree. That should have been done within 3 days of DM being sacked.
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Post by: timdon on April 09, 2019, 10:37:47 PM
The club will act now. It's actually ideal for them. They've conveniently left it too late to appoint a 'project' manager, they can even say they tried to change the culture with Moore. We'll get an Allardyce or Moyes on a 3 year deal with a massive bonus to take us up and the cycle begins again.


This is why you never sack someone like Pulis midseason.
This would be a dreadful decision. We are clutching at straws if we even remotely believe we might go up this season. So better to accept it and wait until the summer and get a good youngish manager with a rebuild plan. The board have made a massive cock up of things. To appoint either of those two would just be making things worse. Much worse.
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Post by: alex1 on April 09, 2019, 10:39:30 PM
First half today there looked to be a massive problem with players' motivation. Far too casual. Second half the motivation on the ball was better, but still lots of passing errors because certain players are just not up to the required standard. You get some players who try a fancy flick, which is great, IF it comes off. But 90% of the time it doesn't, because the said players are not at that standard.

Yes, we need a manager who can motivate and who the players maybe a bit scared of, but that's not enough on its own. You also need a manager who can see deficiencies in the players and works to improve them on the training ground.
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Post by: paulosull on April 09, 2019, 10:44:35 PM
Need a coach that will give these players a good size 10 boot up their fat arses
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Post by: KN22 on April 09, 2019, 10:47:04 PM
The club will act now. It's actually ideal for them. They've conveniently left it too late to appoint a 'project' manager, they can even say they tried to change the culture with Moore. We'll get an Allardyce or Moyes on a 3 year deal with a massive bonus to take us up and the cycle begins again.


This is why you never sack someone like Pulis midseason.

I really hope you’re wrong in terms of who will get job but probably won’t be.

As for Pulis, just wish he’d gone the previous summer.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 09, 2019, 11:17:51 PM
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Pearson and Shakespeare for the rest of the season.  Am hoping I’m wrong though
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 09, 2019, 11:19:34 PM
Dear god, we are royally screwed. Has Jenkins worked out Darren was not the problem yet?

Rhetorical question.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2019, 11:21:51 PM
Big Sam into 6/4 ON.
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Post by: gazberg on April 09, 2019, 11:24:55 PM
They don't seem srious about SJ so Big Sam will do me for now. With SA i believe we would have a chance in the play-offs.
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Post by: paulosull on April 09, 2019, 11:28:29 PM
Big Sam won't work for peanuts and that's all our tight wad Owner is offering. Pearson, Shakespeare or Appleton will be brought In.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 09, 2019, 11:31:09 PM
Big Sam won't work for peanuts and that's all our tight wad Owner is offering. Pearson, Shakespeare or Appleton will be brought In.

He doesn’t need to work for peanuts.  A salary for the next 6 weeks plus a big promotion bonus might be enough
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Post by: gazberg on April 09, 2019, 11:36:22 PM
Yep. His going rate for the run in, short term commitment and a bonus if we get back up.
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Post by: Ross on April 10, 2019, 12:29:11 AM
Big Sam into 6/4 ON.

Alex Neil now favourite in skybet. But can’t see that happening before Preston somehow 😂
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2019, 12:30:48 AM
Alex Neil now favourite in skybet. But can’t see that happening before Preston somehow 😂


Paddy Power has Neil priced at 7/4 2nd favourite. Allardyce still odds on.
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Post by: Bilston Dan on April 10, 2019, 12:36:44 AM
Maybe with the curent situation, big Sam night not be a bad option on a short term. We neeed someone with conviction. No knock on Jimmy Shan, but we need someone who knows what they're doing. Maybe it's not a bad thing we don't go up this season.
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Post by: tex on April 10, 2019, 04:35:46 AM
clearly the board is totally inept. They have no plan just wait and hope, after the sacking of DM there must have been a plan for succession. This cannot have been promote the youth coach. In most companies this would not have been tolerated, our chairman must have just thrown the towel in.
This is where I have issue with those that still support JP, he took the maximum amount of money and left us with a clueless idiot. He gave all that BS about being in the best interest of the club.

The only thing this lot can do is appoint someone before Saturday, not holding my breath. 
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 10, 2019, 04:52:13 AM
Maybe with the curent situation, big Sam night not be a bad option on a short term. We neeed someone with conviction. No knock on Jimmy Shan, but we need someone who knows what they're doing. Maybe it's not a bad thing we don't go up this season.

Can't see us going up in any situation, we are just not that good a team. If by some miracle we do go up we'll be down again with 2 months to go
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2019, 07:04:55 AM
Can you think of a more ludicrous situation than the one we are in now? Fourth in the league, going into the play offs [probably] and no manager to speak off? Only a few games ago, automatic promotion was on the table. Even a chimp can work out what will happen next, we will be dumped out of the play offs by the vile, who will go on and win the final. After the last two performances I would say that the £10m promotion bonus is safe for another year.

At least Peace made decisions, they were normally negative but at least he made them. All this and they want us to pay up for our season tickets in advance of the season even finishing or we have the veiled threat of losing our seat!!

What an absolute bunch of clowns. I hope we do not go up this season as we will be totally humiliated next year by the Premiership.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 10, 2019, 07:31:16 AM
clearly the board is totally inept. They have no plan just wait and hope, after the sacking of DM there must have been a plan for succession. This cannot have been promote the youth coach. In most companies this would not have been tolerated, our chairman must have just thrown the towel in.
This is where I have issue with those that still support JP, he took the maximum amount of money and left us with a clueless idiot. He gave all that BS about being in the best interest of the club.

The only thing this lot can do is appoint someone before Saturday, not holding my breath.

Not sure about that. 

If Lai offered massively more than anyone else then it’s really not easy to blame Peace for taking it.  If Lai’s offer was in the same ballpark as another offer then I think Peace could be held to account for taking the highest offer rather than the one most likely to benefit the club.  We don’t really know the answer to that.

However, whilst we know that Lai clearly said that he would not be investing new money  and that the club would continue to be run from what it generates, we also know that since he bought, it has become virtually impossible to get funds remitted from China. So he couldn’t have invested new funds even if he’d wanted to.  Fosun are in the same boat now, although they had more money outside of China to start with.

I can accept all of that, but there is one thing that I cannot accept, which is the key decisions made by Lai re personnel, regardless of whether or not he could invest new money.  Not sacking Pulis sooner, appointing Pardew, not sacking Pardew sooner, sacking Moore without a replacement, appointing Terrano, appointing an invisible chairman, being totally invisible himself as owner.  He’s shown no interest in the club and has made bad appointment after bad appointment.  None of those decisions were monetary ones (at least not materially so).  That’s what’s unforgivable.

Lai fully deserves to lose half of his investment, and more.  I really do blame him. I find it very hard to justifiably blame Peace for the decision that he took at that time.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 10, 2019, 08:51:18 AM
I'm now in the position I was after the shambolic appointment of Irvine all those years ago where I felt we actually needed TP to be appointed (though I only wanted it on an 'until the end of the season' basis) whereby I now feel that we have to do all we can to bring in big Sam for the next few games and into the play offs as I see no one else available who can organise the shower that I saw bits of last night in time for two massive games, presumably against the Villa.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2019, 08:53:33 AM
Big Sam likes his money, offer him a retainer and fat payoff if he gets us up. We need someone who will select 4 defenders and tell them to defend, a midfield as balanced as it can be with what we've got, and let Gayle do his thing up front.  Even if we do yo-yo again, at least we would be back to the start of the parachute payments and be able to put a plan in place, we need to go to the lower leagues and find another Atkinson as he was the first time.

Modified: I was typing this as you were Fritzl, it does look the only way now unless we just chuck it in.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 10, 2019, 09:00:46 AM
I'm now in the position I was after the shambolic appointment of Irvine all those years ago where I felt we actually needed TP to be appointed (though I only wanted it on an 'until the end of the season' basis) whereby I now feel that we have to do all we can to bring in big Sam for the next few games and into the play offs as I see no one else available who can organise the shower that I saw bits of last night in time for two massive games, presumably against the Villa.



totally agree, we need big sam
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 09:04:54 AM
I can see why Albion would go for Big Sam for the rest of the season. Getting an "organiser" in to push us through the play offs actually makes some sort of sense as the club are absolutely desperate to get promoted for the Premier League money.

It won't help us in the long run though (except financially) and with the squad we have and all the overhaul we'd be absolute certs to come straight back down again.

Personally, I'd rather we took the long term approach now and do it properly.

GO GET JOKANOVIC!
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 10, 2019, 09:08:27 AM
we dont go up this season then we languish for years is my opinion
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Post by: NJS on April 10, 2019, 09:09:10 AM
I apologise for the following stark analysis.

Jeremy Peace is a business man.  After years of steering WBA he looked at the way the EPL is developing into a money takes all affair and matched that with Albion's fan base and concluded that our natural place is to be a middle of the road championship team.  I think he actually said that.  He looked at the demands of the fans and realised that his analysis and our aspirations were incompatible and decided the best thing for both parties  to do was for him  to sell up.

Albion is not in London or anywhere currently fashionable so doesn't represent a trophy club that foreign owners can fly into London City airport, parade in front of admiring fans and fly out the same evening.  So when a footballing ingenue turns up and offers a lot of money he releases his burden.
When he was in charge, he paid attention to detail and, I think,  gave the club a lot of his time.  He drove a hard bargain and resisted the players (Odenwingie for example) running he show.
The future?

Personally, I'm happy to support the Albion in the Championship, I just hope it's different from the current setup.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 10, 2019, 09:10:46 AM
we dont go up this season then we languish for years is my opinion

Exactly.

It truly is promotion or bust. We will be fighting relegation next season whichever league we are in...I would just sooner it be in the Premier League with £100m banked and the prospect of us being sold as we become an attractive proposition again.
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Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2019, 09:23:51 AM
Big Sam likes his money, offer him a retainer and fat payoff if he gets us up. We need someone who will select 4 defenders and tell them to defend, a midfield as balanced as it can be with what we've got, and let Gayle do his thing up front.  Even if we do yo-yo again, at least we would be back to the start of the parachute payments and be able to put a plan in place, we need to go to the lower leagues and find another Atkinson as he was the first time.

Modified: I was typing this as you were Fritzl, it does look the only way now unless we just chuck it in.
Spin / wash / repeat, we MUST break this cycle. No big Sam / no short term fix, we need to get someone in with a brief to strip the squad and rebuild over 2 seasons
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 10, 2019, 09:26:34 AM
Spin / wash / repeat, we MUST break this cycle. No big Sam / no short term fix, we need to get someone in with a brief to strip the squad and rebuild over 2 seasons

We wasted the opportunity to break the cycle when we failed to remove Pulis in May 2017 and replace him with Silva. Then we wasted it once more when we went for Darren Moore over the more proven at this level Dean Smith last summer.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2019, 09:28:46 AM
Spin / wash / repeat, we MUST break this cycle. No big Sam / no short term fix, we need to get someone in with a brief to strip the squad and rebuild over 2 seasons
We should have done that last year, it's just about right now, how to give ourselves half a chance in the playoffs.
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Post by: ttree30 on April 10, 2019, 09:53:49 AM
The club must make a pragmatic appointment now. Or risk being sucked deeper into the Championship whirlpool after this season.

Sam Allardyce is the obvious choice and I don’t fully understand why he’s so reviled by some. He has an excellent track record and is a vastly experienced coach and leader. He is not Tony Pulis, but like any good manager he will try to make the best of what he has to win matches.

The risks of trendier “rebuild” appointments are too great for me. The club is not in the luxurious position of taking its time, because the parachute money is drying up. If the “rebuild” fails (and that will mean replacing expensive players with cheaper “prospects”) a repeat of 1986-2002 is very much possible. Most of that time was spent struggling against relegation from this division (along with two seasons in the third).

We’ve been experimenting with rebuilds this season - rookie coaches, playing out from the back, “changing the culture”....

If the club does appoint Allardyce, it’s probably too much to hope all fans will support him. But creating a hostile atmosphere will drag Albion deeper into the Championship mire, and a medium-sized club like ours will not find it easy to escape.

You have to win to have a club that can punch at or above its weight. The club would do well to pick a proven, experienced winner while we’re still attractive enough to get one.
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
Alex Neil is now 1/2 with the bookies. Allardyce out to 9/4.

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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 10, 2019, 10:05:30 AM
Alex Neil is now 1/2 with the bookies. Allardyce out to 9/4.


that be funny parading him around on saturday
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Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2019, 10:05:37 AM
I am truely amazed that we have posters suggesting Fat Sam.
Its groundhog day all over again.
Fat Sam/Pulis/Pardew/McClarren/Hughes/Holloway/Moyes all managers from the merry go round of British managers that have a very limited shelf life.
There's a very good reason why they are all out of work.
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 10:08:45 AM

that be funny parading him around on saturday


Not amusing at all as far as I'm concerned.

We are going to look back in a couple of years in absolute disbelief that we had the chance to appoint Jokanovic and didn't.

Lai and Jenkins are complete and utter clowns. 

I'm fed up! Going to have a shower, might perk me up a bit.
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Post by: ttree30 on April 10, 2019, 10:12:41 AM
I am truely amazed that we have posters suggesting Fat Sam.
Its groundhog day all over again.
Fat Sam/Pulis/Pardew/McClarren/Hughes/Holloway/Moyes all managers from the merry go round of British managers that have a very limited shelf life.
There's a very good reason why they are all out of work.

I respect your opinion on that, and agree on some of the names mentioned. But I don’t put Allarydyce in that category - he’s managed over 1,000 games, many at the upper levels of the game. You don’t do that if you’re useless.

The average shelf life of a manager is less than two years anyway. No Albion manager has lasted three years since Megson. The last one before that to see his third anniversary was Ron Atkinson nearly 40 years ago!
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 10, 2019, 10:12:49 AM
I am truely amazed that we have posters suggesting Fat Sam.
Its groundhog day all over again.
Fat Sam/Pulis/Pardew/McClarren/Hughes/Holloway/Moyes all managers from the merry go round of British managers that have a very limited shelf life.
There's a very good reason why they are all out of work.

Not altogether accurate, Pulis is still a Clingon  :D
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Post by: Dan87uk on April 10, 2019, 10:17:55 AM
A lot of chatter this morning on social media that Martin O'Neill is about to get the boot at Forest.

Means another team to compete with in the hunt for a manager (they wanted Jokanavic previously but couldn't agree terms at the time) and it also adds another s*** merry go round manager to the pile of candidates for our inept/invisible Owner/Chairman to pick.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2019, 10:21:29 AM

Not amusing at all as far as I'm concerned.

We are going to look back in a couple of years in absolute disbelief that we had the chance to appoint Jokanovic and didn't.

Lai and Jenkins are complete and utter clowns. 

I'm fed up! Going to have a shower, might perk me up a bit.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you can throw thenames Smith and Potter into the equation as well
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Post by: timdon on April 10, 2019, 10:24:55 AM
Spin / wash / repeat, we MUST break this cycle. No big Sam / no short term fix, we need to get someone in with a brief to strip the squad and rebuild over 2 seasons
Absolutely this. People still hanging on to the notion that there is a miracle out there that may get us promoted are clutching at fresh air. Just stop to think about it.
1 I don't believe Big Sam would accept an offer to come in for 5 games only, even with a bonus for the unlikely scenario of getting us up. This is fantasy thinking. He would want a 2 or 3 year contract, and lots of money, both of which would be a disaster for the club.
2 He is an old school manager anyway, whose ideas are old school, out of date and, I suspect, he is no longer motivated, having already suggested that he wasn't really interested in another managerial job and then changing his mind.
3 For people trying to pretend that he is an altogether different type to Pulis, have a look at his stats with Everton. Very defensive in outlook.
4 He has always seemed to hold no affection for us (i'm trying to be polite here), nor us for him ( I'm trying even harder). If he came here it would only be for the money and it would end in tears.
Please please no. Almost any other solution to our current problems would be better.
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Post by: ttree30 on April 10, 2019, 10:29:04 AM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you can throw thenames Smith and Potter into the equation as well

I’d have also gone for a Smith last summer but that ship has sailed.

We’re dreaming of “long-term” appointments but history proves they hardly ever happen, at our club or anywhere else. 79 of the 92 managers haven’t even been in their jobs for three years. Only 26 of the 92 have made it to two years.

These dreams end in failure and disappointment - it’s all about results in the end.

And we need results and we need them fast.
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Post by: ttree30 on April 10, 2019, 10:46:51 AM
Absolutely this. People still hanging on to the notion that there is a miracle out there that may get us promoted are clutching at fresh air. Just stop to think about it.
1 I don't believe Big Sam would accept an offer to come in for 5 games only, even with a bonus for the unlikely scenario of getting us up. This is fantasy thinking. He would want a 2 or 3 year contract, and lots of money, both of which would be a disaster for the club.
2 He is an old school manager anyway, whose ideas are old school, out of date and, I suspect, he is no longer motivated, having already suggested that he wasn't really interested in another managerial job and then changing his mind.
3 For people trying to pretend that he is an altogether different type to Pulis, have a look at his stats with Everton. Very defensive in outlook.
4 He has always seemed to hold no affection for us (i'm trying to be polite here), nor us for him ( I'm trying even harder). If he came here it would only be for the money and it would end in tears.
Please please no. Almost any other solution to our current problems would be better.

I agree he’s unlikely to take a fire-fighting deal, and I also agree with the possible concern in point 2 about motivation - he’s 64 and managed on bigger stages.

I’d also be worried about fans’ reaction, and no manager can succeed against a hostile crowd. That is for me the biggest factor against him - his record shows he’s been a very capable coach and manager, but he might not even be given a chance to succeed. That may be one key reason why the board look elsewhere.

Most successful managers build from a sound defence, so I wouldn’t criticise him for that. The seven goals we’ve conceded in the last three games illustrate the point for me. Along with many of the 48 we let in before that.
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 10:50:12 AM
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you can throw thenames Smith and Potter into the equation as well


Smith would've gone to Villa anyway once that job came up. Potter, yes, definitely.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 10, 2019, 10:51:14 AM
Why do I think nothing is going to change anytime soon?

Oh yea, We are Albion!
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Post by: AidantheBaggies on April 10, 2019, 10:55:20 AM
No doubt Shan will carry on until the end of the season or should i say on a 'game by game' basis. Its so small time its pathetic, no plan at all. Jenkins doing a grand job saving every penny he possibly can.

No doubt come the summer we will appoint a yes man to satisfy Jenkins................is Alan Irvine free?
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2019, 11:17:39 AM

Smith would've gone to Villa anyway once that job came up. Potter, yes, definitely.

I know what you are saying but at the time the vile job was not available. We could have got Smith under contract and the worse case scenario is that they would have paid big money to get him out of that contract, something they could not have afforded to do. So at the time he was an option.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 10, 2019, 11:28:59 AM
I'm now in the position I was after the shambolic appointment of Irvine all those years ago where I felt we actually needed TP to be appointed (though I only wanted it on an 'until the end of the season' basis) whereby I now feel that we have to do all we can to bring in big Sam for the next few games and into the play offs as I see no one else available who can organise the shower that I saw bits of last night in time for two massive games, presumably against the Villa.

I think this the problem, we screwed up with the likes of Irvine and needed a Pulis to sort it out, he did to an extent but stayed 12-18 months too long. Due to the inept clowns in the boardroom we're back where we were when we needed that Pulis type.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 10, 2019, 11:33:56 AM
I think this the problem, we screwed up with the likes of Irvine and needed a Pulis to sort it out, he did to an extent but stayed 12-18 months too long. Due to the inept clowns in the boardroom we're back where we were when we needed that Pulis type.

Exactly.

People who have been subjected to my posts for the past few years will know that the last thing I would ever want is the long term appointment of a Big Sam type manager, I am certainly in favour of a younger, more progressive manager which is why I wanted Silva at the time he was leaving Hull and Dean Smith last summer, both of whom are currently showing their ability. However, the board that I have to put up with as running my football club keep placing us into the position where we need a fire fighting short term fix and of the candidates available, that man is currently Big Sam as promotion is everything this season.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
Jenkins is a disgrace and deserves forcing out of this club. A glorified accountant is now running a football club - staggering position of power.

As for Downing - what a waste of money he is on. If this is a showcase of his capabilities then he needs to go as well.

Quite frankly - we need a manager and needed one five weeks ago. The running of a club on a 7 day basis is disgraceful. Sheer incompetence.

Go and get Moyes. I’d rather him than Big Sam.
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 10, 2019, 11:51:37 AM

Smith would've gone to Villa anyway once that job came up. Potter, yes, definitely.

We could have taken Potter after sacking Pulis and after sacking Pardew or in the summer but didn’t. Smith or Potter would require paying compensation to another club...When is the last time since Di Matteo we went after a manager doing a good job somewhere else?
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2019, 11:54:23 AM
We could have taken Potter after sacking Pulis and after sacking Pardew or in the summer but didn’t. Smith or Potter would require paying compensation to another club...When is the last time since Di Matteo we went after a manager doing a good job somewhere else?

There hasn’t

Every manager we have appointed since RDM has been unemployed.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
Absolutely this. People still hanging on to the notion that there is a miracle out there that may get us promoted are clutching at fresh air. Just stop to think about it.
1 I don't believe Big Sam would accept an offer to come in for 5 games only, even with a bonus for the unlikely scenario of getting us up. This is fantasy thinking. He would want a 2 or 3 year contract, and lots of money, both of which would be a disaster for the club.
2 He is an old school manager anyway, whose ideas are old school, out of date and, I suspect, he is no longer motivated, having already suggested that he wasn't really interested in another managerial job and then changing his mind.
3 For people trying to pretend that he is an altogether different type to Pulis, have a look at his stats with Everton. Very defensive in outlook.
4 He has always seemed to hold no affection for us (i'm trying to be polite here), nor us for him ( I'm trying even harder). If he came here it would only be for the money and it would end in tears.
Please please no. Almost any other solution to our current problems would be better.
We have as good a chance as any of going up in the playoffs lottery, we've beaten all the teams in there this season once, we just need someone to get us organised.  There is just time for a new manager "bounce".  It's a complete shower of sh1te the whole thing, Moore hung out to dry as many of us predicted, I hoped Shan would be up to it but it looks like he's not.  We have one last roll of the dice to go.

PS much sympathy for Moore, but tempered by the fact he has probably earned more in his year in the job than I will in my lifetime.  Hope he's had the sense to pay off his mortgage.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 10, 2019, 12:47:12 PM
For the first time in this saga, I was actually expecting to hear something this morning, either a new manager for the next 5 games or an experienced coach to help Shan. Looks like its the same again against Preston.
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 12:48:55 PM
For the first time in this saga, I was actually expecting to hear something this morning, either a new manager for the next 5 games or an experienced coach to help Shan. Looks like its the same again against Preston.


That would be a waste of time to be honest.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on April 10, 2019, 12:51:34 PM
There hasn’t

Every manager we have appointed since RDM has been unemployed.

I've been trying to think about our managers over the years I've been going, and I can only think of a handful we hired who were already in jobs.

Smith came here from Oxford
Little was unemployed
Megson was unemployed, I think
Robson was unemployed
Mowbray came here from Hibs
Di Matteo came here from MK Dons
Hodgson was unemployed
Clarke was unemployed
Mel was unemployed
Irvine was unemployed
Pulis was unemployed
Pardew was unemployed
Moore was promoted from within

3 from the last 13.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 10, 2019, 12:51:49 PM

That would be a waste of time to be honest.

Agree entirely but that's what I was expecting to happen.

I reckon Preston will turn us over on Saturday and we will go for Neil in the summer.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 10, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
We have as good a chance as any of going up in the playoffs lottery, we've beaten all the teams in there this season once, we just need someone to get us organised.  There is just time for a new manager "bounce".  It's a complete shower of sh1te the whole thing, Moore hung out to dry as many of us predicted, I hoped Shan would be up to it but it looks like he's not.  We have one last roll of the dice to go.

PS much sympathy for Moore, but tempered by the fact he has probably earned more in his year in the job than I will in my lifetime.  Hope he's had the sense to pay off his mortgage.
In other words, we need someone who can come in and "galvanise" the club for the last 6/8 games, even though it's probably too late?
Really is groundhog day isn't it?
I disagreed vehemently with Moore's sacking, but could have understood it if we had acted quickly and got someone in who was better qualified to get us over the line. To end up where we are with Shan and the tea lady is just beyond incompetent.
A lot of these players have proved in the past that they need little excuse to down tools, as it always ends up with the manager carrying the can anyway, and that is where we are now. None of the players give a hoot, in my opinion, because they never see it as their responsibility.
The fact that this is making lifelong Albion fans desperate enough to want the propane-bottle headed dingle is further shame on our board.
I honestly don't care anymore. If the only light at the end of our tunnel is a return to a merry-go-round dinosaur, then they may as well fill it in.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 10, 2019, 12:59:19 PM
Matt Wilson, John Percy, Rob Dorset etc all keeping quiet, doesnt look like anything happening any time soon  :(
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Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
We have as good a chance as any of going up in the playoffs lottery, we've beaten all the teams in there this season once, we just need someone to get us organised.  There is just time for a new manager "bounce".  It's a complete shower of sh1te the whole thing, Moore hung out to dry as many of us predicted, I hoped Shan would be up to it but it looks like he's not.  We have one last roll of the dice to go.

PS much sympathy for Moore, but tempered by the fact he has probably earned more in his year in the job than I will in my lifetime.  Hope he's had the sense to pay off his mortgage.


Mate, believe me, we are not going up. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if we somehow managed it. We are not good enough. We were rescued by Harvey Barnes for most of the first half of the season, if not him, Mat Phillips. Without Barnes we are mid table.

There is no way we will go up through the play offs.
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Post by: KN22 on April 10, 2019, 01:05:04 PM
I am truely amazed that we have posters suggesting Fat Sam.
Its groundhog day all over again.
Fat Sam/Pulis/Pardew/McClarren/Hughes/Holloway/Moyes all managers from the merry go round of British managers that have a very limited shelf life.
There's a very good reason why they are all out of work.

Great post; totally agree with it. Get a visionary guy in. Don't ask me who, that's not my job. But I really don't want another from the list above. We had two of em and both disasters in my view.
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 10, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
My biggest worry is, who will be deciding our next manager?? Jenkins and the Board, or Lai?? Not that I have much confidence in either option. But it will almost undoubtedly be a cheap option. We clearly don't learn from past experience when it comes to appointments. Lai needs us in the premiership ASAP, so I cant see a young enthusiastic manager being appointment. Every year we spend away from the Greed League Lai's investment goes further down the drain.
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Post by: Sted1990 on April 10, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
I expected the club to act after last night. Why on earth did I think that!!!
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Post by: tex on April 10, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
when we sacked DM we had 9 games for someone to come in and get the team set up how they want. We now have 5 games left and looking like Preston will be Shan again so down to 4. By the time we appoint a new manager (if we do) it will be too late for them to have an impact. It is like the board gave up on this season and decided to wait for the summer. if that's the case why sack DM?
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Post by: Ross on April 10, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
I know they are very rarely right but Sky bet now have Neil at 1/4.

Surely we can’t spend a bit of cash and get him in before his current team on Saturday?  :o
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Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
I know they are very rarely right but Sky bet now have Neil at 1/4.

Surely we can’t spend a bit of cash and get him in before his current team on Saturday?  :o


More chance of platting pi$$
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Post by: seteefeet on April 10, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
I know they are very rarely right but Sky bet now have Neil at 1/4.

Surely we can’t spend a bit of cash and get him in before his current team on Saturday?  :o
As I said earlier in the thread, if Neil had started the season with us, the way he did with Preston, he wouldn't have lasted as long as Moore. They had some very indifferent results before going on a very good run. Not saying he's the wrong choice, just that he wouldn't have been afforded the luxury of time, either by our useless board, or the fans unfortunately.
He won't, therefore, have time to bed in here so, if we do bring him in, it will be for next season rather than this. Whatever league we are in, he better hit the ground running or will be sacked by Christmas, while the likes of Jenkins keep taking their pay despite their incompetence.
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Post by: Nathan on April 10, 2019, 01:54:38 PM
The board aren't exactly helping themselves are they in their mission to blackmail fans into renewing/purchasing their season ticket by the end of the month. You'd have thought that would be reason if nothing else to make an immediate managerial appointment and give the ever increasingly p****d off Albion faithful a glimmer of hope and something maybe exciting to look forward to and an incentive to commit again to next season. (That's if they actually gave a flying f**k about the fans of course). How the board have escaped totally from any abuse/vocal criticism on a match day is beyond me. It's scandalous, it really is.
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 10, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
I've been trying to think about our managers over the years I've been going, and I can only think of a handful we hired who were already in jobs.

Smith came here from Oxford
Little was unemployed
Megson was unemployed, I think
Robson was unemployed
Mowbray came here from Hibs
Di Matteo came here from MK Dons
Hodgson was unemployed
Clarke was unemployed
Mel was unemployed
Irvine was unemployed
Pulis was unemployed
Pardew was unemployed
Moore was promoted from within

3 from the last 13.
Do not think Clarke was rea!ly unemployed , I was under the impression he resigned from No2 at Liverpool in order to take the job.  Still pretty uninspiring and un imaginative though !!


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Post by: AlbionFan on April 10, 2019, 02:28:58 PM
To quote a recent phrase, our board really do resemble

“perfidious albion on speed”
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Post by: The Tank on April 10, 2019, 03:03:49 PM
Enzo Maresca always said he will be back at the Hawthorns.  Apparently he is coaching at West Ham now.
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Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2019, 03:33:48 PM
Given the "management" will run with Shan and we are likely to make scrape into the play offs, I can only think of one name who has previously stepped in for a short term with success,
Ladies and Gents I give you SGM.

Whom I would also task with sorting out the disruptive, manipulators in the dressing room but thats another subject.
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Post by: Dan87uk on April 10, 2019, 03:39:07 PM
Ladies and Gents I give you SGM.

Non starter, SGM and Jenkins despise each other. He won't be back and nor should he be; that is the past; Move on.

It amazes me how our fans fail to move on from the same tired names in these types of situations.

We even do it during transfer windows for players as well, hoping that we'll get that player we were once linked with 4 windows ago when they were actually any good.
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Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2019, 03:40:52 PM
Non starter, SGM and Jenkins despise each other. He won't be back and nor should he be; that is the past; Move on.

It amazes me how our fans fail to move on from the same tired names in these types of situations.

We even do it during transfer windows for players as well, hoping that we'll get that player we were once linked with 4 windows ago when they were actually any good.

I am absolutely not advocating SGM for the job, I am saying for a 2/3 game stint during the playoffs,
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Post by: Ross on April 10, 2019, 04:06:18 PM
In the unlikely event that Megson did come back for 2/3 games and playoffs and won them, then supporters would want him to stay- setting us back about ten years.

Whoever takes the job, if anyone at all, if they get to playoffs and win it, there is no way you can’t give that bloke the job in the premier
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Post by: seteefeet on April 10, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
In the unlikely event that Megson did come back for 2/3 games and playoffs and won them, then supporters would want him to stay- setting us back about ten years.

Whoever takes the job, if anyone at all, if they get to playoffs and win it, there is no way you can’t give that bloke the job in the premier
That's why we may as well stayed with DM. If we had failed in the play offs, then start afresh with a new bloke, if he won them then he achieved his goal and deserved a crack at the Prem. He did ok last time he managed there after all.
To sack when we did and do nothing makes no sense at all to me, neither practically or financially, as we will have to pay him off therefore, it's cost us money to end up in a worse position with even less chance of promotion.
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Post by: Nathan on April 10, 2019, 04:39:20 PM
In the unlikely event that Megson did come back for 2/3 games and playoffs and won them, then supporters would want him to stay- setting us back about ten years.

Whoever takes the job, if anyone at all, if they get to playoffs and win it, there is no way you can’t give that bloke the job in the premier

Why would it set us back 10 years??  ??? Getting promoted back to the Premier League at the first attempt and therefore increasing our chances of being sold by Mr. Lai to someone who is remotely interested is hardly a setback! What WOULD set us back 20 years is staying with this current shambles of a situation and fester in this division (and possibly worse) for possibly another 16 years like 1986-2002. Getting Megson in now would unite 99% of the fan base and create as much of a feel good factor (not to mention a superb atmosphere) as it would be possible to get for the vital last few weeks of the season. I said exactly the same in this thread on March 19th, over 3 weeks on and in my opinion it is still the best solution.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2019, 04:40:23 PM
Not sure how many times it needs saying. Gary Megson hates Mark Jenkins and will never work for him.
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Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 10, 2019, 04:47:03 PM
Not sure how many times it needs saying. Gary Megson hates Mark Jenkins and will never work for him.
Certainly not the first person then  ;D
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Post by: Nathan on April 10, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
Not sure how many times it needs saying. Gary Megson hates Mark Jenkins and will never work for him.

I know that but who is to say that it cant be Jenkins that is sent packing by the Chinese instead to make way for a favoured managerial appointment be it Megson or someone else? After all, he is the faceless, useless, incompetent individual with absolutely no idea of running a football club who has got us in this atrocious mess in the first place. If Lai wants any return on his investment in the future be it through a sale or re-establishing ourselves in the Premier League then Jenkins should be the first out of the door. Whoever is appointed, we all know that under Jenkins' influence then it will always be the cheapest option.
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Post by: kc56wba on April 10, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
Whoever the next manager is he must have no affiliation to the Albion in the past. This love in with past players and past managers as got to stop.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 10, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
In my view, the most important person at a football club, on the playing side, is without doubt the Manager / Head Coach.

But for reasons known only unto themselves, our board appear to be in a state of paralysis on making an appointment or confirming the unfortunate Shan in post until the end of the season. The board are incapable of communicating with the fanbase, which is also baffling, as if they got us onside, I’m sure we would back them come hell or high water, even if it wasn’t the most popular appointment, to be included and have a sense of belonging would buy a hell of a lot of goodwill for them.

My choice is obvious, Jokanovic, but I would be open minded, at the other end of the footballing philosophy style continuum, to welcoming Big Sam, if appointed. Right now we just need a leader and motivator ASAP.

I think ever possible scenario, regarding obstacles to appointing a Head Coach has been raised, discussed and answered on this thread by other members, but our board who are paid considerable amounts of money for decision making have been found wanting.

It is so frustrating, my plea to the board would be, please, acknowledge the fanbase, we don’t necessarily want specifics, as we understand that may compromise commercial sensitivity, just give us an indication of your vision and the direction you are taking us, simples!

But an old adage comes to mind “He who hesitates is lost” boy do we need a search party right now and badly

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Post by: GREGMT on April 10, 2019, 09:34:01 PM
I just want to make some points about James Shan.

I guess he could've turned down the opportunity to be Interim Manager.  So fair play for having the balls to do it.

What I am disappointed with is the lack of emotion and passion from the touchline.  Last night every time the cameras panned onto Lee Johnson he was animated with his players, arguing with the 4th official etc.  In essence, he outwardly showed he cared.  Ask most fans and they'd want the manager to be animated.

Before people say he's inexperienced and essentially a youth coach, I want to make the point that Mourinho was an interpretor whilst Bobby Robson was managing Barcelona.  All managers have to start from somewhere.  Alex Ferguson mellowed when he went beyond 60.  We are talking about Shan aged 40.  If you are not vocal at that young age for a Manager you never will be. 

Whatever his team talks are before matches, our players look unprepared at the start and often look extremely sluggish in the first 15 minutes or so.  This could be a showcase opportunity for him to show his credentials as a future Manager at the Albion or lower down the pyramid.  He looks every inch a Youth Coach.  Taken it by the scruff of the neck he hasn't.  As long as he is contented....
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Post by: Dan on April 10, 2019, 09:44:26 PM
I just want to make some points about James Shan.

I guess he could've turned down the opportunity to be Interim Manager.  So fair play for having the balls to do it.

What I am disappointed with is the lack of emotion and passion from the touchline.  Last night every time the cameras panned onto Lee Johnson he was animated with his players, arguing with the 4th official etc.  In essence, he outwardly showed he cared.  Ask most fans and they'd want the manager to be animated.

Before people say he's inexperienced and essentially a youth coach, I want to make the point that Mourinho was an interpretor whilst Bobby Robson was managing Barcelona.  All managers have to start from somewhere.  Alex Ferguson mellowed when he went beyond 60.  We are talking about Shan aged 40.  If you are not vocal at that young age for a Manager you never will be. 

Whatever his team talks are before matches, our players look unprepared at the start and often look extremely sluggish in the first 15 minutes or so.  This could be a showcase opportunity for him to show his credentials as a future Manager at the Albion or lower down the pyramid.  He looks every inch a Youth Coach.  Taken it by the scruff of the neck he hasn't.  As long as he is contented....

How animated the manager is means absolutely nothing. There's plenty of great managers who are reserved on the touch line and plenty of terrible ones who spend the entire game screaming.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 10, 2019, 09:58:03 PM
JS didn't look passive to me, I saw him shouting instructions.

Lee Johnson was arguing with the officials.
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Post by: GREGMT on April 10, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
How animated the manager is means absolutely nothing. There's plenty of great managers who are reserved on the touch line and plenty of terrible ones who spend the entire game screaming.

Thanks for that.  There doesn't seem to be much charisma and the players clearly are not motivated.  The team is just limp.  He just doesn't look up for it.  Really there were 2 choices; politely turn it down as he sees himself as a youth coach / grasp it with both hands and go at it hammer and tongs. As previously stated, doors get opened for people in life and this is one of these instances.

Just seen that QPR have taken a point from the Den, something we couldn't manage.  Also, Wigan took a point from Ashton Gate, something we couldn't manage.
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Post by: GREGMT on April 10, 2019, 10:14:17 PM
JS didn't look passive to me, I saw him shouting instructions.

Lee Johnson was arguing with the officials.

Shan looks detached to me, as was Pardew and Moore, nothing seems to be delivered with any conviction.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 10, 2019, 10:44:18 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/04/10/preston-boss-alex-neil-back-on-west-broms-radar/
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 10, 2019, 10:54:09 PM
Percy just tweeted we are approaching Neil for the job after the game on Saturday.
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Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2019, 11:03:16 PM
Probably wanted him all along and just waited 6 weeks for this fixture to come around to do it in person to save the money for a stamp or a phone call.
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Post by: Beefy on April 10, 2019, 11:05:48 PM
West Brom ready to offer Alex Neil the managerial reins at the Hawthorns #wba https://t.co/haJUroKVUQ via @telefootball
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Post by: BalisPen on April 10, 2019, 11:09:29 PM
Probably waiting for Preston being out of the play off running and then going for him.

Hopefully he'll have been studying us and our weaknesses in anticipation of taking over and will give us the discipline to do well in the play offs.

He is the one I wanted from day one, got Norwich up then Preston just missed out on plays offs last season on a very small budget.
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Post by: Dan on April 10, 2019, 11:18:49 PM
Feels a bit underwhelming to me, he did a good job at first with Norwich getting them promoted but then they got relegated easily and he did poor attempting to get them back. Getting Preston mid-table is decent job all in all but its a fair way off mounting a promotion challenge. If he played good entertaining football it'd be interesting but he seems to be yet another functional manager who will keep flogging the dead horse of the squad we have.

Whole thing has the feel of an Alan Irvine type appointment. Once again it stinks of a lack of ambition or any kind of progressive thought behind the scenes - like they've gone down the list of clubs in the championship to find the highest positioned club with the manager we could easiest get.
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Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2019, 11:26:31 PM
NOt overly keen but we need anyone who is a proper manager fast.
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Post by: mini gaardsoe on April 11, 2019, 12:03:23 AM
Poor guy, will come in, get a handful of games, end up getting beat by Villa twice in the playoffs and everyone will turn on him.  :D
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Post by: BalisPen on April 11, 2019, 12:26:23 AM
Get a proper manager in and get MP and GB fit and we have a good chance in the play offs imo, stick with what we have now and we have very little chance.
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Post by: paulosull on April 11, 2019, 12:27:34 AM
25,000 plus fans will watch Alex's interview with club come Saturday, no pressure there then.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 01:34:19 AM
It's Irvine all over again. Cannot believe we're going to pass up Jokanovic.


Only the Albion.
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Post by: royhan on April 11, 2019, 02:26:25 AM
It's Irvine all over again. Cannot believe we're going to pass up Jokanovic.


Only the Albion.


It's probably another case of us penny pinching. Jokanovic would want considerably more than Neil. At least we haven't gone for the old guard, though I would have liked us to have persuaded Big Sam to join us until the end of the season. A big promotion bonus would surely have tempted him.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 11, 2019, 03:10:57 AM
At least there's talk about appointing someone outside of the club. If it is Neil then good luck to him, it'll be a baptism of fire and the way the team are playing it'll be a miracle to get promoted.
I hope the suits and the fans give him time next season as  there will be a huge change of faces in and out of the club.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 11, 2019, 06:50:30 AM
At least there's talk about appointing someone outside of the club. If it is Neil then good luck to him, it'll be a baptism of fire and the way the team are playing it'll be a miracle to get promoted.
I hope the suits and the fans give him time next season as  there will be a huge change of faces in and out of the club.

Wonder if his old Norwich player Hoolahan will re appear in the match day squad
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Post by: Blowee on April 11, 2019, 06:52:09 AM
25,000 plus fans will watch Alex's interview with club come Saturday, no pressure there then.
Read a funny tweet from  PNE hoping that we beat them 8-0 and that Neil spends the whole game in a Wolves shirt!
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Post by: Standaman on April 11, 2019, 07:10:01 AM
Ideally the new manager should be appointed with about 3 games  plus the play-off to go. I reckon with this squad we will get a 5 game new manager bounce and we want those games to include the play-offs. Appointing anyone earlier will mean the new manager bounce will have expired before we get to the play-offs. Or better still we appoint a new coach every 5 to 6 games.

I am past caring who is in the dug out I feel sorry for whoever it is. They are caught between the fan's expectations and the inability of the board to deliver those expectations with a squad which is frankly a mess but one which is a very expensive mess relative to the club's resources.

Alex Neil would be mad to accept it, it is a poision challace and the last few games with this squad are not going to be a happy expereince for any coach. Purely from the manager's perspective starting with a clean sheet would be far better.
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Post by: Aztech on April 11, 2019, 07:20:34 AM
It's Irvine all over again. Cannot believe we're going to pass up Jokanovic.


Only the Albion.


If they do appoint Neil I’d be surprised if many fans renew season tickets before the deadline.
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Post by: Atomic on April 11, 2019, 07:46:16 AM


If they do appoint Neil I’d be surprised if many fans renew season tickets before the deadline.


Well they should.

I don't want Neill, personally I'm in agreement with Jacko (for a change  ;D) the timing and situation is right for Jokanovic.

However, if Alex Neill does become our manager then I will back him and I will be back at the Shrine next season to do so. At the end of the day I'm Albion and whoever is in charge I'll still be there living in hope and cheering my club on.

To be honest I expect everyone else to do the same.

Albion till I die!
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Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2019, 08:13:40 AM
My only issue with appointing any manager at this particular times is if we don't get promoted.
I think as fans we might be even less forgiving next season if we're not off to a flyer from the start.
Why not get the first choice candidate in now, whoever that might be, give him the Summer to recruit and move on as he see's fit and take it from there?
No disrespect to Neil but if Jakanovic is the first choice candidate then the board should make a statement of intent and go for him.
For the record I'd have taken Pearson
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 11, 2019, 08:17:43 AM
It's Irvine all over again. Cannot believe we're going to pass up Jokanovic.


Only the Albion.
Not sure about Jokanovic, he seems to see himself as a bit of a big time Charlie.

If it is Neil, lets hope he's the next Eddie Howe not the next... whatwashisnameagain?
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 11, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
It's Irvine all over again. Cannot believe we're going to pass up Jokanovic.


Only the Albion.
Are we sure Jokanovic hasn't passed on us ?
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Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2019, 08:34:34 AM
Just looking at the table and Preston's current position. They are currently 8 points off the promotion spots.

If we beat them on Saturday, dependant on the result of the Villa - Bristol game, they could pretty much be out of the running for the play offs, which may make tempting him into the job easier.

However if Preston win and say the villa game is a draw, they would only be 6 points off the play offs with 12 points to play for, I could see Preston still digging their heels in letting him go.

I'm literally at the stage now were I just want a manager in place asap. I think the most telling thing for me that the club are actually acting on getting a manager in, is the fact Shan still hasn't brought in any help. If I was Shan and I knew I had the next few weeks/remainder of the season I would have brought at least one coach in for sure.

The fact that hasn't happened makes me think the club may be closer to getting a new man (and his staff) in.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2019, 08:35:35 AM
Are we sure Jokanovic hasn't passed on us ?

I have a feeling he may end up back at Fulham.

As others have said, he was one of my main choices, however for this squad to play his way would have taken a lot of ins/outs and money to be spent, money which the club probably wouldn't guarantee him.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 08:36:08 AM
We seem to be assuming that Jokanovic is available. He may not be [for whatever reason], or he is but he does not want to join us as he is going elsewhere in the summer. You can throw as much money as you want at him but if he does not want to come then we cannot do anything about it.

I think I heard somewhere that he was going back to Fulham in the summer. I have no idea where that has come from but it would/could explain why he is not coming to us, or anyone else for that matter.

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Post by: seteefeet on April 11, 2019, 08:56:26 AM
I think Neil's a solid appointment, could turn out to be a very good one if the fans give him time. Not many coaches manage to survive and excel at this level in their 30s, hes clearly got some pedigree about him and an ability to learn quickly. Who knows what hell do with a decent squad and some cash? I personally think he'll do a good job given time/backing.

Get him in Albion.
We certainly won't find out if he comes here because he'll have neither  :)

I don't think he's a bad choice to be fair but I think he's on a hiding to nothing. If we go up, but are bottom by Christmas, he'll be gone, if we stay down and are not top 2 by Christmas he'll be gone. As fans we have little patience and the board have no clue, so can't see any long term project being given the time needed to succeed. If we couldn't do it for Moore, who was one of our own, I can't see us doing it for Neil.
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Post by: phbaggies on April 11, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
I'm past caring about who's name is on the Manager's office door, each option out there with the exception of Neil has been sacked and out of work so no particular name excites me. If its Neil and the players buy into his philosophy then he will be as good as any name out there surely? We (social media mob) are already writing him off before he has even held talks.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2019, 09:11:13 AM
We certainly won't find out if he comes here because he'll have neither  :)

I don't think he's a bad choice to be fair but I think he's on a hiding to nothing. If we go up, but are bottom by Christmas, he'll be gone, if we stay down and are not top 2 by Christmas he'll be gone. As fans we have little patience and the board have no clue, so can't see any long term project being given the time needed to succeed. If we couldn't do it for Moore, who was one of our own, I can't see us doing it for Neil.

I think the fans would have the patience if we had a board that would set out a plan for two, three or however many years then appoint a manager who they think can implement that plan then give him the money to do the job.
At the moment we don't have a plan to buy into and we don't have a board that is capable of setting out a plan.
The best that they can come up with is a fans forum that will help them decide what price to charge for crisps.
Until we get another owner don't expect miracles.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
I just hope if it is Neil, he has the backbone to clear out a lot of the 'deadwood' in the summer and doesn't back down to the more senior players who should be replaced.

If he can come in and move out some of the stale players and bring in some fresh faces, people who buy into what he will be looking to do then hopefully he can do a good job for us.

If is does end up being Neil.
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Post by: Albionic on April 11, 2019, 09:32:18 AM
Below list of players Alex Neal acquired while at Norwich, there is enough quality there to show he does recognise a quality player,  a few strange ones as well but there always will be I guess.
How he would fund acquisitions is an interesting dilemma as our current squad has little residual value now.
I also have reservations about "style" as Norwich fans seem to feel he went less and less expansive as things deteriorated in the prem.

I struggle to see what would attract him to B71 rather than PNE currently, (irksome as it is to say this) we seem to be a club in decline while PNE are relatively static, seems a strange "ambition" to me.

1   Timm Klose   Â£9.90m
2   Steven Naismith   Â£9.90m
3   Robbie Brady £8.91m
4   Alex Pritchard £8.46m
5   Yanic Wildschut £7.38m
6   Nélson Oliveira £5.27m
7   Graham Dorrans £3.69m
8   Ivo Pinto £3.33m
9   Matt Jarvis £3.06m
10   Sergi Canós £2.70m
11   James Maddison £2.39m
12   Andre Wisdom Loan fee:£1.62m
13   Tony Andreu £1.20m
14   Jordan Storey £765k
15   Louis Moult £460k
16   Billy Bodin   Â£405k
17   Graham Burke £315k
18   Ryan Ledson ?
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Post by: Blowee on April 11, 2019, 09:38:49 AM
I just hope if it is Neil, he has the backbone to clear out a lot of the 'deadwood' in the summer and doesn't back down to the more senior players who should be replaced.

If he can come in and move out some of the stale players and bring in some fresh faces, people who buy into what he will be looking to do then hopefully he can do a good job for us.

If is does end up being Neil.
I've done some reading about his past managerial experience and don't believe he's the type to suffer fools. He appears to be a good man manager who gets on well with players but doesn't take any nonsense. Those who liken him to AI are wide of the mark. We would do well to get Neil but he would need time to sort things. Even if we were promoted this season we all know that we'd struggle next. I think he could well be the man to rebuild us which ever division we are in. For me, if we can just scrape into the PL this season the finance that would give us would give the financial stability needed to redevelop our squad.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
Penny pinching yet again!

If they do appoint Neil I’d be surprised if many fans renew season tickets before the deadline.

Well I will as I think that it would be a reasonable appointment.

It has to be better than the one of the 'dinosaurs' currently unemployed, and definately better than Mr Bung, so I am all for it. Neil is young, ambitious, has been in this position before and is currently doing quite well with PNE. I am struggling to see too many other candidates that would a) want the job, b) would be up to the job, and c) who we can afford. At least it would not be an internal appointment so in a way it does tick all the boxes.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on April 11, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
Below list of players Alex Neal acquired while at Norwich, there is enough quality there to show he does recognise a quality player,  a few strange ones as well but there always will be I guess.
How he would fund acquisitions is an interesting dilemma as our current squad has little residual value now.
I have reservations about "style" as Norwich fans seem to feel he went less and less expansive as things deteriorated in the prem.

I struggle to see what would attract him to B71 rather than PNE currently, (irksome as it is to say this) we seem to be a club in decline while PNE are relatively static, seems a strange "ambition" to me.

1   Timm Klose   Â£9.90m
2   Steven Naismith   Â£9.90m
3   Robbie Brady £8.91m
4   Alex Pritchard £8.46m
5   Yanic Wildschut £7.38m
6   Nélson Oliveira £5.27m
7   Graham Dorrans £3.69m
8   Ivo Pinto £3.33m
9   Matt Jarvis £3.06m
10   Sergi Canós £2.70m
11   James Maddison £2.39m
12   Andre Wisdom Loan fee:£1.62m
13   Tony Andreu £1.20m
14   Jordan Storey £765k
15   Louis Moult £460k
16   Billy Bodin   Â£405k
17   Graham Burke £315k
18   Ryan Ledson ?

didn't he also sign Mulumbu on a free as well?
 I agree that it is generally a list of decent quality players (for Norwich...no disrespect intended)and I certainly wouldn't be against his appointment.
 I don't see much difference between him and Jokanovic when you look at their management achievements in the Championship/EPL. Both have got teams promoted and both struggled in the EPL. Jokanovic does have an overall better win percentage of 46% against 44% for Neil.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
Below list of players Alex Neal acquired while at Norwich, there is enough quality there to show he does recognise a quality player,  a few strange ones as well but there always will be I guess.
How he would fund acquisitions is an interesting dilemma as our current squad has little residual value now.
I also have reservations about "style" as Norwich fans seem to feel he went less and less expansive as things deteriorated in the prem.

I struggle to see what would attract him to B71 rather than PNE currently, (irksome as it is to say this) we seem to be a club in decline while PNE are relatively static, seems a strange "ambition" to me.

1   Timm Klose   Â£9.90m
2   Steven Naismith   Â£9.90m
3   Robbie Brady £8.91m
4   Alex Pritchard £8.46m
5   Yanic Wildschut £7.38m
6   Nélson Oliveira £5.27m
7   Graham Dorrans £3.69m
8   Ivo Pinto £3.33m
9   Matt Jarvis £3.06m
10   Sergi Canós £2.70m
11   James Maddison £2.39m
12   Andre Wisdom Loan fee:£1.62m
13   Tony Andreu £1.20m
14   Jordan Storey £765k
15   Louis Moult £460k
16   Billy Bodin   Â£405k
17   Graham Burke £315k
18   Ryan Ledson ?


Aside from Maddison, that is a very worrying track record.


Not that he'll have any money to spend here.


I'm desperate for him to turn us down, this will be a disaster.
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Post by: albion59 on April 11, 2019, 10:15:02 AM


If they do appoint Neil I’d be surprised if many fans renew season tickets before the deadline.
Already renewed mine doesn't matter to me who the new Manager is. It's never going to be as bad as when Pulis was here the only time i  ever questioned having a ST.
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Post by: darbolina on April 11, 2019, 10:19:05 AM
I think Neil is a coach on the up. He has good experience of this division, has achieved promotion with Norwich. Has had to operate on a small budget at Preston (good preparation for Albion if he gets it) and done well for them (top half is good development on their previous performances. Overall, I can see the logic of Neil vs Jokanovic. Neil possibly longer term (?) and will likely be more content of the two to work with our kids as opposed to buying a team. Maybe Jokanovich is already on his way back to Fulham? Maybe Wagner doesn't fancy us? Maybe others just aren't interested? I'm not sure we'll ever get a top head coach under this leadership to be honest, they just don't seem to have it in them.

I really think we need to accept we're in the championship for the longer haul now and start to rebuild from ground up. Neil would therefore be better as he's more likely to bring some stability. Shame we didn't give this role to Dean Smith when we had the chance as he's a much better version of Neil in my opinion.

Above all, I hope we have new ownership soon who are more engaged..............?
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Post by: NJS on April 11, 2019, 10:21:18 AM
People here are talking about a board with "ambition" which I take to be willing to pour cash into the club with no ROI - just for love or status.
Prove me wrong but I don't think someone like that is coming in for WBA and we have to rely on our own resources such as the academy.  I think that Neil fits that model better than
Jokanovic who seems high maintenance and anyway is probably looking for a club with a sugar daddy for an owner. 
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Post by: Pie on April 11, 2019, 10:33:35 AM
Would prefer Neil to a lot of the other 'options.'

Although as others have mentioned, the whole mentality of the board needs to change to help the club.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 11, 2019, 10:47:47 AM
If it is Neil, and we don't get promoted, what are people's expectations for next year?
Moore was sacked with us 4th, and the majority on here who voted agreed, so does that mean top 2 minimum next year or he goes as well?
Or, is it about style of play, so, as long as we don't urine about at the back, top half will do?
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 10:48:45 AM
Would prefer Neil to a lot of the other 'options.'

Although as others have mentioned, the whole mentality of the board needs to change to help the club.

Slight amendment there ;D
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 11, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
If Preston beat us on Saturday and let’s be honest, they have every chance, I doubt we will see AN until the end of the season. Then there would be the haggling over the compensation and before you know it, he’s lumbered with a squad he can do nothing about until January.

But should they get into the play offs and win promotion, we’ll have to start looking all over again.

That’s the concern for me regardless of whether the scenarios above are unlikely, it could happen. Why not go for a Head Coach who's out of work, therefore available and with no compensation to pay. Jokanovic just makes sense to me. Why make an already difficult life even more difficult?
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Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2019, 11:02:33 AM
If Preston beat us on Saturday and let’s be honest, they have every chance, I doubt we will see AN until the end of the season. Then there would be the haggling over the compensation and before you know it, he’s lumbered with a squad he can do nothing about until January.

But should they get into the play offs and win promotion, we’ll have to start looking all over again.

That’s the concern for me regardless of whether the scenarios above are unlikely, it could happen. Why not go for a Head Coach who's out of work, therefore available and with no compensation to pay. Jokanovic just makes sense to me. Why make an already difficult life even more difficult?

I'm sure I read somewhere (not sure on the truth) that he's on gardening leave so therefore we would have to pay compensation for Jokanovic (same situation with Wagner).

For me, when DM was sacked and it was clear we didn't really have a plan in place to replace him. If its the be all and end all of this club being in the premier league, they should have just got someone like Big Sam on the phone, offered it him until the end of the season with a big bonus if he got us up. If he didn't get us up he left and then we targeted the right man to rebuild in the summer. The football didn't have to be pretty for the last few weeks of the season, and it doesn't have to be pretty in the playoffs, its all about the results and getting the wins. Big Sam would have been perfect for that in my opinion - don't get me wrong I wouldn't want him in charge for say 2-3 years, but for what we needed at this stage of the season, there probably wasn't anyone better suited.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 11, 2019, 11:06:52 AM
For John Percy to have been so confident with his "scoop" last night, he must have had some confirmation from a reliable source within the club.

Whatever messages are coming from PNE, I would say that negotiations are fairly well advanced. There was even talk in some circles of the amount of compensation we would have to pay PNE.
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Post by: Albionic on April 11, 2019, 11:09:36 AM

Aside from Maddison, that is a very worrying track record.


Not that he'll have any money to spend here.


I'm desperate for him to turn us down, this will be a disaster.

Tim Klose / Pritchard / Pinto / Olivera are all quality IMO
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Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
For John Percy to have been so confident with his "scoop" last night, he must have had some confirmation from a reliable source within the club.

Whatever messages are coming from PNE, I would say that negotiations are fairly well advanced. There was even talk in some circles of the amount of compensation we would have to pay PNE.

£650,000 being batted about. Think Matt Wilson has mentioned that also.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2019, 12:05:55 PM
I am absolutely staggered that it has taken what is approaching nearly two months for them to appoint Alex Neil.

Incompetence is being polite.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 12:21:10 PM
I am absolutely staggered that it has taken what is approaching nearly two months for them to appoint Alex Neil.

Incompetence is being polite.

I think the double six they were hoping to roll with James Shan came out as a 2 and a 1 [no disrespect to JS there].

If we had won our last two games I am convinced we would not be having this conversation.
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Post by: baggiebof on April 11, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to Neil's teams but I would like to know; what style of play is he looking to play and are we happy to recruit to suit? In addition to this, what is his track record with young players? Going forward, we absolutely need to take advantage of the prospects coming through.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 11, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to Neil's teams but I would like to know; what style of play is he looking to play and are we happy to recruit to suit? In addition to this, what is his track record with young players? Going forward, we absolutely need to take advantage of the prospects coming through.

Here are Preston's results from September and October last year. Mowbray esq results.

Wednesday 24th October
Sky Bet Championship
Preston North End 4 3 Brentford FT

Saturday 20th October
Sky Bet Championship
Hull City 1 1 Preston North End FT

Saturday 6th October
Sky Bet Championship
Preston North End 4 0 Wigan Athletic FT

Tuesday 2nd October
Sky Bet Championship
Aston Villa 3 3 Preston North End FT

September 2018
Saturday 29th September
Sky Bet Championship
Preston North End 2 3 West Bromwich Albion FT

Tuesday 25th September
Carabao Cup
Preston North End 2 2 Middlesbrough FT Middlesbrough win 4-3 on penalties.

Saturday 22nd September
Sky Bet Championship
Sheffield United 3 2 Preston North End FT

Tuesday 18th September
Sky Bet Championship
Leeds United 3 0 Preston North End FT

Saturday 15th September
Sky Bet Championship
Preston North End 2 3 Reading FT

Saturday 1st September
Sky Bet Championship
Preston North End 2 2 Bolton Wanderers  FT
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Post by: FallOutBoy on April 11, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
Here are Preston's results from September and October last year. Mowbray esq results.

Worth pointing out that they started the season rather poorly because they have a small squad and had a fair few injuries. Once they got everybody back, they started getting up the table again. Just missed out on the play-offs last year, will probably do the same this year because of that.
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Post by: KN22 on April 11, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
AN does not inspire me I have to say. I was hoping for a foreign coach with vision. Because, sadly, I see no British ones who fall into that category (except Howe who would not consider us) If it is him he will have my 100% support. I could not consider not renewing my ST. Sad to say I love the club and that never changes. Just make an appointment please!!
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 11, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Does anybody know what coaching staff work with Neil? Has he worked with the same people in each job?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 11, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Does anybody know what coaching staff work with Neil? Has he worked with the same people in each job?
from a brief data trawl he only brings an assistant called Frankie McAvoy with him. The rest appear to have been at Preston for years.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2019, 01:34:44 PM
AN does not inspire me I have to say. I was hoping for a foreign coach with vision. Because, sadly, I see no British ones who fall into that category (except Howe who would not consider us) If it is him he will have my 100% support. I could not consider not renewing my ST. Sad to say I love the club and that never changes. Just make an appointment please!!

You could get pep in with this board and he would struggle
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Post by: rajesh-wba on April 11, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
Does anybody know what coaching staff work with Neil? Has he worked with the same people in each job?

I’m sure he worked with Alan Irvine at Norwich. Not 100% sure whether Irvine was inherited or recruited by Neil. Neil from memory fell out with the board because he wanted to sell Hoolahan when they just been relegated which wasn’t allowed to happen.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
Tim Klose / Pritchard / Pinto / Olivera are all quality IMO


We had Pritchard, he's rubbish. Klose is decent but that's a hefty price tag for him. The other 2 weren't great.
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Post by: darbolina on April 11, 2019, 02:32:09 PM
https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/former-norwich-city-manager-alex-neil-moving-on-at-preston-1-5890382

Interesting read.....maybe he learned something from Norwich he could bring to us if he comes?
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Post by: Albionic on April 11, 2019, 02:40:35 PM
this is the most relevant bit, if he comes, i hope he pins this up in his office

We had a lot of players at the club for longer than five years, and we needed to start afresh,” Neil said in an interview shortly after his dismissal.

“Thirteen of the 24 players in the first-team squad were over 30, and when we went up the last time they were 28, which is significantly different, it’s when you’re at your peak.

“We needed to re-build and the one thing I blame myself for is that I re-signed all the players to get us back up because they’d done it in the past. I should have taken more time and looked to alter the squad at that stage.”
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
this is the most relevant bit, if he comes, i hope he pins this up in his office

We had a lot of players at the club for longer than five years, and we needed to start afresh,” Neil said in an interview shortly after his dismissal.

“Thirteen of the 24 players in the first-team squad were over 30, and when we went up the last time they were 28, which is significantly different, it’s when you’re at your peak.

“We needed to re-build and the one thing I blame myself for is that I re-signed all the players to get us back up because they’d done it in the past. I should have taken more time and looked to alter the squad at that stage.”



It's all well and good until he gets to training and sees the old guard: Brunt, Morrison, Barry are the only players with any technical ability with a football at feet, then offers them all new deals.  ;D
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 02:51:45 PM

We had Pritchard, he's rubbish. Klose is decent but that's a hefty price tag for him. The other 2 weren't great.

We did but we hardly played him. I thought he was pretty decent down at our place this year. Certainly better than what we put out.
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Post by: Ross on April 11, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
We did but we hardly played him. I thought he was pretty decent down at our place this year. Certainly better than what we put out.

Gnabry/ Valero syndrome. Fair to say we shouldn’t judge players ability on their time with us.

I say he will be a good appointment given the situation. Breaks the mould of former players and old has beens. We should get behind him
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Post by: Dexy on April 11, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
We did but we hardly played him. I thought he was pretty decent down at our place this year. Certainly better than what we put out.
He arrived on loan after a bad ankle injury at Spurs , I'm totally against signing injured players like we do but thats another topic.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Gnabry/ Valero syndrome. Fair to say we shouldn’t judge players ability on their time with us.

I say he will be a good appointment given the situation. Breaks the mould of former players and old has beens. We should get behind him

Gnabry, he was a waste of space.

Whats he up to now? Oh wait......... ;D
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 03:37:20 PM
Gnabry, he was a waste of space.

Whats he up to now? Oh wait......... ;D


To be fair to TP, Wenger didn't give him the time of day either...
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2019, 03:51:58 PM

To be fair to TP, Wenger didn't give him the time of day either...

I know, but someone did and look at him now.....

Getting back to the next manager, I quite like the idea of Alex Neil, I am just interested to see if the board can actually pull this off or make yet another horlicks of the whole situation.
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Post by: gerry m on April 11, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
I know, but someone did and look at him now.....

Getting back to the next manager, I quite like the idea of Alex Neil, I am just interested to see if the board can actually pull this off or make yet another horlicks of the whole situation.

Hopefully it can be done but following comments on here and Facebook he needs to hit the ground running or he will face the wrath of the fans. You could understand why some coaches would give the job the swerve.
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Post by: SmethDan on April 11, 2019, 04:23:27 PM
I know, but someone did and look at him now.....

Getting back to the next manager, I quite like the idea of Alex Neil, I am just interested to see if the board can actually pull this off or make yet another horlicks of the whole situation.

Nice try but false news.

No way Jenkins'd splash out on Horlicks  ;) .
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 11, 2019, 04:53:10 PM
Neil wouldn’t be my choice but some of the comments seem unfounded. Neil being compared to Irvine is unfair. They are Scottish and managed Preston but in terms of achievements it ends there. Sir Alex and David Moyes were Scottish and managed Man Utd...
Jokanovic got Fulham up and then struggled in the prem which seems similar to Neil too. I realize Jokanovic got 2 promotions but hardly pulled up trees in the prem with a lot more money at his disposal than Neil had.
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Post by: darbolina on April 11, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
this is the most relevant bit, if he comes, i hope he pins this up in his office

We had a lot of players at the club for longer than five years, and we needed to start afresh,” Neil said in an interview shortly after his dismissal.

“Thirteen of the 24 players in the first-team squad were over 30, and when we went up the last time they were 28, which is significantly different, it’s when you’re at your peak.

“We needed to re-build and the one thing I blame myself for is that I re-signed all the players to get us back up because they’d done it in the past. I should have taken more time and looked to alter the squad at that stage.”


Thats the bit that resonated for me too. Whoever comes needs to rebuild by saying goodbye to about 10 players and replace them with players with energy, quality and desire.......good luck with our board as this will be done on a budget hence why Neil is probably favoured........?
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Post by: miggybaggy on April 11, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
I honestly doubt any appointment will be made until we know exactly what league we'll be in next season.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 11, 2019, 06:12:18 PM
I think the double six they were hoping to roll with James Shan came out as a 2 and a 1 [no disrespect to JS there].

If we had won our last two games I am convinced we would not be having this conversation.
If he had picked more adventurous teams and we had lost one and drawn one by actually playing football I think we would still be treading water on this.
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Post by: frazzle on April 11, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
Neil looks like a decent proposition. I’ve always thought he has something about him. No doubt many on this forum will tear into him from the outset as usual.

I can’t see him coming this season though. I doubt anyone will come in, but I live in hope.
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Post by: Mo on April 11, 2019, 06:32:04 PM
It’s up to Neil and the club to prove me wrong but I can’t help feel this story has been leaked when the board know the fans are getting very restless. Two home games in a week where they are likely to get the bird . I wonder .
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Post by: BalisPen on April 11, 2019, 08:31:23 PM
I just hope the golum lookalike brings us the precious in the play off final.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 11, 2019, 08:42:56 PM
Just need a person (male or female) with guts!
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Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
I'm glad he's apparently wanted assurances about budget and his involvement in transfers before he does anything

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11690600/alex-neil-wants-assurances-over-west-brom-managerial-job-if-he-is-to-leave-preston

Our board have hung enough managers out to dry
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Post by: jamesh_91 on April 12, 2019, 07:49:51 AM
I would be really pleased with this appointment. Think he has an excellent track record, has enough experience and think he could really achieve promotion here over this season or next. Just hope the Board give him the time he needs.

By his own admission he has made mistakes, as we all do at work. Hopefully he's learned from them and getting a manager in at this stage will give him potentially 7 or 8 games to assess the squad for its strengths and deficiencies and hit the ground running in the summer. Something we haven't been able to do for a while.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 12, 2019, 07:54:25 AM
I'm glad he's apparently wanted assurances about budget and his involvement in transfers before he does anything

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11690600/alex-neil-wants-assurances-over-west-brom-managerial-job-if-he-is-to-leave-preston

Our board have hung enough managers out to dry

I am pleased that Alex Neil is thinking this way. Whilst we are at it, how about the board giving the fans some assurances as well before holding guns to our heads about buying our season tickets before the season has finished or lose our seat...... >:(
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Post by: divinewind on April 12, 2019, 08:33:41 AM
Neil has been my choice for a while. Jokanovich and Wagner maybe better managers but i feel they are waiting for bigger options, and we couldn't afford them anyway.
We would be a good progression for him at this stage of his career, but the way we go about things i won't get too excited.
We will probably have Brexit first.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 12, 2019, 09:57:48 AM
I am pleased that Alex Neil is thinking this way. Whilst we are at it, how about the board giving the fans some assurances as well before holding guns to our heads about buying our season tickets before the season has finished or lose our seat...... >:(

One for the Assembly to bring up, once the fire certificates for the flags have been sorted out of course  ::)
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Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
I'm glad he's apparently wanted assurances about budget and his involvement in transfers before he does anything

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11690600/alex-neil-wants-assurances-over-west-brom-managerial-job-if-he-is-to-leave-preston

Our board have hung enough managers out to dry

"......... Neil is West Brom's preferred choice to replace Darren Moore who was sacked last month with the club fourth in the Championship, however Sky Sports News understands Preston have so far had no contact from Albion regarding Neil...........West Brom's next game is against Preston at the Hawthorns on Saturday and Sky sources expect the Baggies board to make their interest in Neil official after the match".

By the time we play Preston it'll be thirty five days and six games since the sacking of Darren Moore.

Thirty five days, six games and no approach in a season where promotion is reputedly seen by the board as an absolute must!

Wtfknfk.....?

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Post by: baggiejohn on April 12, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
"......... Neil is West Brom's preferred choice to replace Darren Moore who was sacked last month with the club fourth in the Championship, however Sky Sports News understands Preston have so far had no contact from Albion regarding Neil...........West Brom's next game is against Preston at the Hawthorns on Saturday and Sky sources expect the Baggies board to make their interest in Neil official after the match".

By the time we play Preston it'll be thirty five days and six games since the sacking of Darren Moore.

Thirty five days, six games and no approach in a season where promotion is reputedly seen by the board as an absolute must!

Wtfknfk.....?

I don't think we'll see Neil this season, I suspect they'll make a formal bid after tomorrow, with a view to him starting on 1 June.
Don't think PNE will give him up easily.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 12, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Personally not bothered if AN goes, this is his team he can’t change his tactics has certain favourites. Just like at Millwall should’ve taken Pearson off at halftime for Ledson. If he goes he won’t last the season at WBA


from a Preston message board, certain favourites springs to mind
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 12, 2019, 12:02:50 PM
I don't think we'll see Neil this season, I suspect they'll make a formal bid after tomorrow, with a view to him starting on 1 June.
Don't think PNE will give him up easily.

I understand that he has told people he wants the job.  More than double the salary, a much bigger budget and a far greater chance of promotion.  Preston won’t be able to keep him if he wants to go. Just need to agree compensation.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2019, 12:19:00 PM
Personally not bothered if AN goes, this is his team he can’t change his tactics has certain favourites. Just like at Millwall should’ve taken Pearson off at halftime for Ledson. If he goes he won’t last the season at WBA


from a Preston message board, certain favourites springs to mind


All managers have favourites, you have to hope they coincide with your best players. Ie. Phillips, Hegazi, Gibbs and Brunt, rather than Rodriguez, Kanu, Bartley and Livermore.
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Post by: kris_boing on April 12, 2019, 12:48:01 PM
Personally not bothered if AN goes, this is his team he can’t change his tactics has certain favourites. Just like at Millwall should’ve taken Pearson off at halftime for Ledson. If he goes he won’t last the season at WBA


from a Preston message board, certain favourites springs to mind

I think you have been very selective with the post you've found there.  I read the same forum yesterday and on the whole it was very positive about him.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 12, 2019, 12:51:24 PM
This was a quote in reply however...

"This is mental. Best manager we’ve had in years and responsible for our longest run of away victories since before my old man was born. Without our horrendous injury list this season we’d have probably been top six.

God, people have short memories. Neil going would be a huge loss."
Didn't we have our best away run for donkeys, before Moore was sacked?
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Post by: baggies_24 on April 12, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
Personally not bothered if AN goes, this is his team he can’t change his tactics has certain favourites. Just like at Millwall should’ve taken Pearson off at halftime for Ledson. If he goes he won’t last the season at WBA


from a Preston message board, certain favourites springs to mind

Bit worrying I have a few mates who support Norwich and every single one has said the same thing, has his tactics and way of playing and will not deviate from that and plays his favourites come what may. Very much a feeling that once teams have enough tape on his teams the opposition would pick them apart as they knew he wouldn’t change the game plan. I think with any successful manager there has to be a strong belief in what you are doing is right but also enough self awareness to understand when something isn’t working it needs tweaking.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 12, 2019, 01:36:47 PM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.
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Post by: stever60 on April 12, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.
That's reassuring
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Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.

I wonder whether Mr Jenkins has applied similar logic to the managerial selection process?

If so he was probably waiting for a sample of Ginseng or Viagra to arrive by carrier pigeon via China.

No way he'd pay for any and as for delivery costs, well........  :-X .
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 12, 2019, 01:49:28 PM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.

I think Alex Neil has just breathed a huge sigh of relief.
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Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 01:51:28 PM
I think Alex Neil has just breathed a huge sigh of relief.

Looks like James Shan's got reasons to be cheerful too.......
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 12, 2019, 01:51:38 PM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.

What worries me is that you suggest that there are some managers out there that would........
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 12, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
I think you have been very selective with the post you've found there.  I read the same forum yesterday and on the whole it was very positive about him.


yes trust me to find a negative
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Post by: Westie on April 12, 2019, 02:13:35 PM
I would prefer that the Club went for the Monk from Birmingham.
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Post by: baggiemart on April 12, 2019, 02:26:13 PM
I think Neal could be a good appointment. Someone with no previous alliance to the club so no alliance to players which was probably Darren Moores downfall.

Whoever we have, we need to appoint them asap. 

This could be a masterplan to beat all masterplans if the board have planned it this way ( I don't think they have ,more luck than judgement)

Appoint the new boss now and you usually get a run of good results as soon as a new manager takes over ( Pardew is the exception to this rule !!).

This good run then takes us into the play offs and possibly promoted. 

Then our problems start again !!
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 12, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
What worries me is that you suggest that there are some managers out there that would........

Marco Silva. That delectable Portuguese bar steward would stir up certain feelings were he ever to be appointed to manage us...
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 12, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
Marco Silva. That delectable Portuguese bar steward would stir up certain feelings were he ever to be appointed to manage us...
##


You worry me.....
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Post by: keithowba86 on April 12, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
##


You worry me.....

Just got weird...
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Post by: divinewind on April 12, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Albion remind me of a shy bloke at a party, they see a bird they fancy but before they pick up the courage to speak to her, someone else takes off with her.
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Post by: barnestormer on April 12, 2019, 03:48:42 PM
I would prefer that the Club went for the Monk from Birmingham.
Always my first choice even before Moore and still is
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 12, 2019, 04:48:55 PM
Albion remind me of a shy bloke at a party, they see a bird they fancy but before they pick up the courage to speak to her, someone else takes off with her.
Maybe because we don't have an erection (see above)
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Post by: cornishbaggie on April 12, 2019, 05:07:40 PM
Albion remind me of a shy bloke at a party, they see a bird they fancy but before they pick up the courage to speak to her, someone else takes off with her.

The Albion Board remind me of Tory politicians. All mouth, no trousers, couldn't organise a urine up in a brewery.
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Post by: cornishbaggie on April 12, 2019, 05:12:36 PM
Can't we just ask Big Dave to come back?  :P
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 12, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
Interesting read

https://thesetpieces.com/features/norwich-a-year-of-alex-neil/
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Post by: KN22 on April 12, 2019, 10:56:18 PM
That is an interesting read. Comes over well in this article.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2019, 11:12:30 PM
He was my first choice from day one and I hope it happens.

He is young and has learnt a lot imo and he won't have earmt the millions that would curb his drive and allow for pardewesque live off the fat of the land attitude just waiting for the pay off attitude.

I much prefer him to a journeyman, temperamental SJ.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2019, 11:17:28 PM
He was my first choice from day one and I hope it happens.

He is young and has learnt a lot imo and he won't have earmt the millions that would curb his drive and allow for pardewesque live off the fat of the land attitude just waiting for the pay off attitude.

I much prefer him to a journeyman, temperamental SJ.


I give it until October next season before he's dubbed AFN and Phil has to set up filters on here.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2019, 11:27:11 PM

I give it until October next season before he's dubbed AFN and Phil has to set up filters on here.

Only from the sheep like you who don't know or understand the game and just want the shiny toy that has come out despite the cost.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2019, 11:30:56 PM
Only from the sheep like you who don't know or understand the game and just want the shiny toy that has come out despite the cost.


Mate I've forgotten more about the game than you've ever known so give it a rest with the sheep diatribe.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 12, 2019, 11:46:26 PM

Mate I've forgotten more about the game than you've ever known so give it a rest with the sheep diatribe.

Yeah, I am sure you have and obviously you have also forgotten more about Chinese finance too.

Weren't you the one who said lai could not get his money out of China?

Funny how hundreds of other Chinese business's have got their money out, an example being today:

https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2019/04/new-owner-of-lk-bennett-saves-21-stores-shuts-15/

You read something and treat it as gospel without actually seeing if it is true.




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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 12:10:33 AM
Yeah, I am sure you have and obviously you have also forgotten more about Chinese finance too.

Weren't you the one who said lai could not get his money out of China?

Funny how hundreds of other Chinese business's have got their money out, an example being today:

https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2019/04/new-owner-of-lk-bennett-saves-21-stores-shuts-15/ (https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2019/04/new-owner-of-lk-bennett-saves-21-stores-shuts-15/)

You read something and treat it as gospel without actually seeing if it is true.


Having scanned the attachment it appears to have been bought by a UK company set up by a Chinese business woman. I suspect it's you who doesn't understand the Chinese government's stance, not me.


Educate yourself:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-markets-soft-landing-analysis/china-constricts-capital-outflows-with-eye-on-yuan-stability-idUSKCN1ML1SW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-markets-soft-landing-analysis/china-constricts-capital-outflows-with-eye-on-yuan-stability-idUSKCN1ML1SW)


I was one of many who correctly said getting his money out was a problem for him. Hope this helps.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 12:16:41 AM

Having scanned the attachment it appears to have been bought by a UK company set up by a Chinese business woman. I suspect it's you who doesn't understand the Chinese government's stance, not me.


Educate yourself:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-markets-soft-landing-analysis/china-constricts-capital-outflows-with-eye-on-yuan-stability-idUSKCN1ML1SW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-markets-soft-landing-analysis/china-constricts-capital-outflows-with-eye-on-yuan-stability-idUSKCN1ML1SW)


I was one of many who correctly said getting his money out was a problem for him. Hope this helps.

Here you go again spinning the truth the lady who bought lk bennett is a Chinese woman (from China) who bought a British company out of administration, and she set up a UK company as a vehicle to do it like lai did for buying us.

Do some more research on Ms Feng.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 12:30:50 AM
Here you go again spinning the truth the lady who bought lk bennett is a Chinese woman (from China) who bought a British company out of administration, and she set up a UK company as a vehicle to do it like lai did for buying us.

Do some more research on Ms Feng.


So to re-iterate, Feng is the Franchisee (in China) of the company she has just bought out of administration, through a UK company she has set-up. It would have been a disaster for her (and the taxes she pays to the Chinese government) had it fallen into the hands of Dune or Mike Ashley.


If there is a likely gain for China they ease the restrictions. So you tell me, how does the Chinese government benefit from Lai sinking funds into the Albion. There is no 'franchise' club in China that increases it's profits based on how well we do. It's just dead money. I'm not sure if this is just a difficult concept for you to grasp or....



Concerned about capital outflows and the haphazard nature of many outbound deals, the Chinese government last August laid out new criteria for overseas acquisitions, placing investments in sports clubs, cinemas and real estate on a list of “restricted” sectors. Bankers said it might still be possible to get approval to move money out of China for such deals if there was a very good rationale but the authorities were strongly discouraging it.

https://www.ft.com/content/a4c7c12e-53a1-11e9-a3db-1fe89bedc16e (https://www.ft.com/content/a4c7c12e-53a1-11e9-a3db-1fe89bedc16e)


Again, I hope this helps.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 12:43:27 AM

So to re-iterate, Feng is the Franchisee (in China) of the company she has just bought out of administration, through a UK company she has set-up. It would have been a disaster for her (and the taxes she pays to the Chinese government) had it fallen into the hands of Dune or Mike Ashley.


If there is a likely gain for China they ease the restrictions. So you tell me, how does the Chinese government benefit from Lai sinking funds into the Albion. There is no 'franchise' club in China that increases it's profits based on how well we do. It's just dead money. I'm not sure if this is just a difficult concept for you to grasp or....



Concerned about capital outflows and the haphazard nature of many outbound deals, the Chinese government last August laid out new criteria for overseas acquisitions, placing investments in sports clubs, cinemas and real estate on a list of “restricted” sectors. Bankers said it might still be possible to get approval to move money out of China for such deals if there was a very good rationale but the authorities were strongly discouraging it.

https://www.ft.com/content/a4c7c12e-53a1-11e9-a3db-1fe89bedc16e (https://www.ft.com/content/a4c7c12e-53a1-11e9-a3db-1fe89bedc16e)


Again, I hope this helps.

It is absolutely shocking how you try to say "if there is likely gain for China they ease the restrictions" like you are one of their policy makers.

You keep on believing that lai can't get his money out but everyone else like at lk bennett and more pertinently ac and inter Milan can.

 I'll now leave you to dream about lai getting his vast quantities of money out of China just in time to appoint SJ  on his £2m a year wage to avoid the disaster that awaits us in Alex Neil.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 12:47:12 AM
It is absolutely shocking how you try to say "if there is likely gain for China they ease the restrictions" like you are one of their policy makers.

You keep on believing that lai can't get his money out but everyone else like at lk bennett and more pertinently ac and inter Milan can.

 I'll now leave you to dream about lai getting his vast quantities of money out of China just in time to appoint SJ  on his £2m a year wage to avoid the disaster that awaits us in Alex Neil.


AC Milan? I suggest you read the last link I posted. Then go and lie down in a dark room and think about your posts for the evening...
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 12:55:02 AM
I suggest you try and remember some of that vast knowledge of football that you purport to have forgotten.

The Chinese bought ac milan and wanted millions on the likes of bonnuci and then ran out of money as the cheap loans in China dried up like they did for the vile's Dr x.

And like they have for Lai.

It was a leveraged purchase and they whole plan was to service the debt with anticipated profits from premiership football.

But, obviously you knew that but like you said you've forgotten.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 01:11:33 AM
I suggest you try and remember some of that vast knowledge of football that you purport to have forgotten.

The Chinese bought ac milan and wanted millions on the likes of bonnuci and then ran out of money as the cheap loans in China dried up like they did for the vile's Dr x.

And like they have for Lai.

It was a leveraged purchase and they whole plan was to service the debt with anticipated profits from premiership football.

But, obviously you knew that but like you said you've forgotten.


Or, what actually happened:


Football industry executives say the curbs on outbound investment made it difficult for Chinese owners to inject further cash into their often lossmaking clubs and killed hopes that they could raise further funds in China through initial public offerings, bank loans or the extensive shadow banking system.

Li Yonghong, the previously unknown Chinese businessman who acquired AC Milan from Silvio Berlusconi for €740m in April last year, this month lost control of the club to US hedge fund Elliott Management after failing to repay high-interest loans of more than €300m.

Lai spent approx $192 million, Albion's pre-tax Premier League profits would have taken 7-10 years to service that debt.


There was a bubble, it burst, nobody has run out of cash.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 01:21:22 AM

Or, what actually happened:




Football industry executives say the curbs on outbound investment made it difficult for Chinese owners to inject further cash into their often lossmaking clubs and killed hopes that they could raise further funds in China through initial public offerings, bank loans or the extensive shadow banking system.

Li Yonghong, the previously unknown Chinese businessman who acquired AC Milan from Silvio Berlusconi for €740m in April last year, this month lost control of the club to US hedge fund Elliott Management after failing to repay high-interest loans of more than €300m.

Lai spent approx $192 million, Albion's pre-tax Premier League profits would have taken 7-10 years to service that debt.


There was a bubble, it burst, nobody has run out of cash.

This is what I don't understand about your constant comments, you actually write in a way like you have a hot line to the actual people in charge like president xi and Lai and they have personally assured you that lai has got money and it is xi stopping him from spending it.

But, then Xi rings you to explain why he let the takeover of lk bennett.

How do you know that no one has run out of money, you don't know how much he has or hasn't got, you just like making excuses for him not investing, but you still want the £2m a year manager.

Back to Google now for your next insight.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 01:35:53 AM
This is what I don't understand about your constant comments, you actually write in a way like you have a hot line to the actual people in charge like president xi and Lai and they have personally assured you that lai has got money and it is xi stopping him from spending it.

But, then Xi rings you to explain why he let the takeover of lk bennett.

How do you know that no one has run out of money, you don't know how much he has or hasn't got, you just like making excuses for him not investing, but you still want the £2m a year manager.

Back to Google now for your next insight.


Yet you are suggesting the opposite,  with equal force, have you heard of irony? Alanis Morrisette never really understood it, might have helped her to read the quoted post.


We don't need a cash injection to get a decent manager. £2 million a year will not hurt the club. It's another £40k a week player. Or the equivalent of Gareth Barry. I know what I'd prefer.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 13, 2019, 01:44:39 AM
FFS can we just get back to who the next manager is and why
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 01:45:51 AM

Yet you are suggesting the opposite,  with equal force, have you heard of irony? Alanis Morrisette never really understood it, might have helped her to read the quoted post.


We don't need a cash injection to get a decent manager. £2 million a year will not hurt the club. It's another £40k a week player. Or the equivalent of Gareth Barry. I know what I'd prefer.

And obviously you have a hot line to Jenkins who has assured you £2m won't harm us.

You may want short term success at any cost, but I don't want to risk the future of the club in gambles like this.

And no way is Barry on £40k in the second tier, unless you have a hot line to him to and he has confirmed it to you that he is on £40k.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 01:51:33 AM
And obviously you have a hot line to Jenkins who has assured you £2m won't harm us.

You may want short term success at any cost, but I don't want to risk the future of the club in gambles like this.

And no way is Barry on £40k in the second tier, unless you have a hot line to him to and he has confirmed it to you that he is on £40k.


Christ this is hard work... okay here goes, and I apologise to other posters for coming down to your level...


Have you got a hotline to the club that (presumably Jokanovic) is a gamble that would risk the future of the club?


No? Thought not. I'd suggest a day off. Reading up on self awareness and irony. Then coming back and trying again.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 01:57:19 AM

Christ this is hard work... okay here goes, and I apologise to other posters for coming down to your level...


Have you got a hotline to the club that (presumably Jokanovic) is a gamble that would risk the future of the club?


No? Thought not. I'd suggest a day off. Reading up on self awareness and irony. Then coming back and trying again.

No it's my opinion and I write it in that manner unlike you who writes everything like it is fact and derides any dissenting opinion.



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Post by: SmethDan on April 13, 2019, 02:13:13 AM
Not the world's greatest fan of popcorn. Trying to decide whether to open a bottle of beer while reading the latest developments on this thread. I haven't slept for a couple of nights you see. On the evidence of these last few posts this thread may just do the trick for me. Nah sod it, even when awake the inside of my eyelids hold greater appeal. Nighty night all  :) .
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Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2019, 02:34:01 AM
Next season in the Championship we can't and won't be paying anyone £40k a week if we have to because of an existing contract we will be reducing the playing squad to compensate for it. The following season if we are still in the Championship we simply can't afford it. If Jokanović wanted £40k a week that was only ever going to happen in the Premier League and if we were prepared to pay £40k a week or more in the Premier League then the choice of coaches would be far wider than Jokanović and he might not even make the short list.

Whether Lai can or can't subsidise the club's running costs is almost academic because it seems plain that he won't.

I went on to one of the Norwich forums and had a chat about Neil. As you can imagine the feedback was mixed given that they were promoted relegated and becalmed in the Championship under him.

In general his sides were good going forward but leaked goals at the back which was something he never got to grips with and I think has continued at PNE. He was heavily criticised for some of the transfer dealings at the club during his time the general view is don't give him money to spend and looking at his record it was a bit hit and miss.

Interestingly he was criticised for not trusting youngsters and in particular shipping out James Maddison to Aberdeen rather than playing him.

It was hardly a ringing endorsement. 
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 03:15:08 AM
Next season in the Championship we can't and won't be paying anyone £40k a week if we have to because of an existing contract we will be reducing the playing squad to compensate for it. The following season if we are still in the Championship we simply can't afford it. If Jokanović wanted £40k a week that was only ever going to happen in the Premier League and if we were prepared to pay £40k a week or more in the Premier League then the choice of coaches would be far wider than Jokanović and he might not even make the short list.

Whether Lai can or can't subsidise the club's running costs is almost academic because it seems plain that he won't.

I went on to one of the Norwich forums and had a chat about Neil. As you can imagine the feedback was mixed given that they were promoted relegated and becalmed in the Championship under him.

In general his sides were good going forward but leaked goals at the back which was something he never got to grips with and I think has continued at PNE. He was heavily criticised for some of the transfer dealings at the club during his time the general view is don't give him money to spend and looking at his record it was a bit hit and miss.

Interestingly he was criticised for not trusting youngsters and in particular shipping out James Maddison to Aberdeen rather than playing him.

It was hardly a ringing endorsement.

They conceeded 46 last season only 7 more than champions dingles.

In regards to not giving him money, that is a given as we don't have any and that is why I like the idea of him as manager as he has done well on a small budget at Preston.

There will be no Mitrovic coming in to save our season next season as the money won't be there.

Not for one second am I saying AN is the perfect choice, but imo he is the most pragmatic choice given our limited resources as he seems to get more out of his teams than the sum of the parts.
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Post by: geoff on April 13, 2019, 09:02:37 AM
Jacko & Balispen, thanks for the in depth views on our owner reasons for his lack of money to back us you both fought your corners well. ;).

Remember The Baggies Motto guys "WE DON'T DO EASY"
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Post by: baggie steve on April 13, 2019, 09:35:03 AM
If Neil was to take over I wouldn't be too disappointed , he may install a bit of discipline within the playing staff...

Still think we missed a trick in the summer not going for Potter
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Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2019, 09:50:38 AM
They conceeded 46 last season only 7 more than champions dingles.

In regards to not giving him money, that is a given as we don't have any and that is why I like the idea of him as manager as he has done well on a small budget at Preston.

There will be no Mitrovic coming in to save our season next season as the money won't be there.

Not for one second am I saying AN is the perfect choice, but imo he is the most pragmatic choice given our limited resources as he seems to get more out of his teams than the sum of the parts.

There will be some money and a lot of decisions about the squad and it's replacements to be made. As ever in football the less money you have the more important how you spend the money you have becomes.

 My view is that the club needs to understand how their coach wants to set up and play the game and do as much as it can to ensure that the Coach has the players that he needs. However they also need to ensure that there are pathways into the squad for the academy graduates and that there is a balance with regard to experience and potential. In short the Head Coach cannot have a completely free hand.

It is two years since he managed Norwich and he has done a good job at Preston and he is still a relatively young coach so you would hope he isn't too set in his ways and has learned from his experiences. I also take the point that the goals against column at Preston isn't horrific.

Overall I am perfectly happy with any coach that tries to play football Alex Neil is a beter option than many.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2019, 04:48:55 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.


you could say preston footballers are not playing for their manager
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Post by: gavinrussell on April 13, 2019, 04:52:29 PM
Just imagine attending an interview in front of 20 odd thousand people.!!!
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Post by: frazzle on April 13, 2019, 04:52:58 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.

You can’t comment you’re not at the game  :-*
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 05:01:17 PM
You can’t comment you’re not at the game  :-*


Our caretaker manager has just done him 4. And they've now lost 4 on the trot.


Don't need anything more than the BBC website to determine that.


I'd rather stick with Shan for the playoffs than appoint Alex Neil.
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Post by: geoff on April 13, 2019, 05:03:38 PM

Our caretaker manager has just done him 4. And they've now lost 4 on the trot.


Don't need anything more than the BBC website to determine that.


I'd rather stick with Shan for the playoffs than appoint Alex Neil.

I cant see any other way
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2019, 05:04:02 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.

I think Neil's appointment is a fait accompli
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
I think Neil's appointment is a fait accompli


Let's hope not, it will set us back years. The final nail in the coffin since Pulis left.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2019, 05:09:11 PM

Let's hope not, it will set us back years. The final nail in the coffin since Pulis left.

My preference is Jokanovic, as is yours as I understand it. But we have no say and many reliable Journo's, Percy for one, consider it an almost done deal from what I read.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2019, 05:10:10 PM
its a difficult one but there is no excuse being turned over by milwall in such fashion and a pathetic first half against brizle. like jacko said maybe we have found a system to take us forward before being found out
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2019, 05:13:13 PM
During some difficult fixtures of late, had we been able to field the likes of Phillips and Gibbs, we may have seen different outcomes, but hey, who knows. It is what it is
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 13, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Jenkins will probably just dither again after that performance from Preston. Results like today, where we blow a decent team away without getting out of 2nd gear, make me even more angry that we never appointed a proper manager in the summer. We'd be out of sight if we actually played well this season.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.

A bit over the top?

7 key players out injured and an 8th went off in the first half.

Never ceases to amaze me how people take such short term views. Every manager has a bad run.  Every manager gets sacked.  The good ones learn from it and bounce back.  The bad ones keep getting sacked.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 05:56:03 PM
A bit over the top?

7 key players out injured and an 8th went off in the first half.

Never ceases to amaze me how people take such short term views. Every manager has a bad run.  Every manager gets sacked.  The good ones learn from it and bounce back.  The bad ones keep getting sacked.

Don't attempt to bring logic and actual facts into the debate.

We must get sj and pay him whatever he wants because he's not a journeyman as his record suggests but the special one who we must risk financial ruin on getting.
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 13, 2019, 05:56:23 PM
Hopefully today makes them think again about Neil. Not good enough.

Think I agree. Not convinced by the guy.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2019, 06:02:02 PM
A bit over the top?

7 key players out injured and an 8th went off in the first half.

Absolutely. Not taking anything away from our performance today but Preston suffered from their injuries without a doubt. A good side PNE in my opinion. Whether we go for their manager however is entirely another thing.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
Post match interviews suggest he'll be in post before Friday. Bitterly disappointed.
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Post by: Aztech on April 13, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
Post match interviews suggest he'll be in post before Friday. Bitterly disappointed.

What was said?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 06:11:59 PM

What was said?



Alex Neil was asked if this was his final game for #pnefc. "I can't answer that question, because what I wouldn't want to do is say definitely yes or definitely no and be a hypocrite. I'd like to think I'm a man who is as good as his word." (1/2) #wba

Neil contd: "The problem I've got is I'm not in control of that situation, I'd imagine something would take place over the next couple of days and then whatever will happen will happen from that point." (2/2) #wba #pnefc
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Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
He said its not his decision but he can't see it running onto next Friday.

Seems lke he's wanted and he fancies it. Just the 2 boards to get it done. Not my choice but back him to the hills we must.
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Post by: liverbaggie on April 13, 2019, 06:50:54 PM
Wait until this seasons over,say I.
At least shan has them playing together when were at full strength.
I don't want another bloke coming in with his ideas just for the playoffs.
Too confusing for the players.
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Post by: Baggies on April 13, 2019, 06:55:37 PM
As I said in the play offs thread, the fact that Neil got Hamilton and Norwich promoted via the playoffs is probably a big driver behind his appointment - every decision made in the new Jenkins era has been what suits that particular week (signings, firings, hirings).

Having looked at Neil’s record, it isn’t poor, but it is not particularly exciting either, this feels a very vanilla appointment rather than an inspired choice.

He has 2 promotions to his name so he has plus points, but neither were automatic. He did well at Hamilton and he did get Norwich up, but they were relegated straight away and then the following season, with one of the most expensive sides in championship history, he was fired after failing to get Norwich in the top 6 (he was sacked in the March, so had the entire season).

At Preston, he has done an okay job on a smaller budget, but they are about to finish mid table having failed to make the playoffs last year either. Yes, there may be mitigating circumstances, such as the injuries, but he hasn’t pulled up trees which begs the uestion of what makes him stand out from anyone else. What has he done at Preston that convinces us he is the best option?

If Swansea win their game in hand they go above them. That is a club who have sold all of their players this summer, sold even more in January and are making staff redundant. Despite this, Potter has them playing great football, took them to an fa cup quarter final where they nearly beat Man City and has kept the club in the play off race up until today. If we were going to hire from mid table, i’d argue Potter is a more obvious choice on his past record.

I feel we are once again only considering the very small market that is the UK. It is a better choice than Allardyce yes, but why do we not look for a more exciting managerial choice. There is a whole world out there with some great coaches. The last 3 managers to top the championship (presuming Norwich now have it) were continental Europeans.

There will be managers in Germany, Portugal, France, Spain or Eastern Europe who could earn more here than there and would jump at the chance of coming. Instead though, we look at limited options like Neil.

Barnsley went second again today in a division with Sunderland and Pompey. Barton was up to his old tricks assaulting their manager Daniel Stendel. Stendel will likely be managing in the championship next season - another German hired success story.




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Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
Well seems like a done deal not sure when it get's sorted. Unfortunate timing for all concerned and I am really not sure about Alex Neil in the Premier League but we are in the Championship and at best a 25% shot to be promoted this year.
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Post by: alex1 on April 13, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
You have to imagine he was our manager today, and imagine all the questions about what tactical changes he made, when his team were 3-0 down!
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 13, 2019, 07:19:31 PM
Very disappointing if he Neil is appointed. I'd rather stick with Shan. Once again the club show no ambition whatsoever.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2019, 07:23:05 PM
Very disappointing if he Neil is appointed. I'd rather stick with Shan. Once again the club show no ambition whatsoever.


Steady on mate, if we DON'T employ Neil we risk the entire clubs future including bankruptcy  :o
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 13, 2019, 07:32:11 PM

Steady on mate, if we DON'T employ Neil we risk the entire clubs future including bankruptcy  :o

You would think any club would prioritise the manager over anything being as though his decisions win or lose games. A good manager can make the club millions so is worth investing in. Sadly, we had no plan when we sacked DM, and now look like going after the economy package. Shocking by the board.
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Post by: Mo on April 13, 2019, 07:36:05 PM
I can’t base my opinion solely on today but on the numerous times I’ve seen Norwich and Preston under Neil’s stewardship I’m just not sure got a nagging feeling it’s not right fit .
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Post by: koren on April 13, 2019, 07:44:48 PM
As I said in the play offs thread, the fact that Neil got Hamilton and Norwich promoted via the playoffs is probably a big driver behind his appointment - every decision made in the new Jenkins era has been what suits that particular week (signings, firings, hirings).

Having looked at Neil’s record, it isn’t poor, but it is not particularly exciting either, this feels a very vanilla appointment rather than an inspired choice.

He has 2 promotions to his name so he has plus points, but neither were automatic. He did well at Hamilton and he did get Norwich up, but they were relegated straight away and then the following season, with one of the most expensive sides in championship history, he was fired after failing to get Norwich in the top 6 (he was sacked in the March, so had the entire season).

At Preston, he has done an okay job on a smaller budget, but they are about to finish mid table having failed to make the playoffs last year either. Yes, there may be mitigating circumstances, such as the injuries, but he hasn’t pulled up trees which begs the uestion of what makes him stand out from anyone else. What has he done at Preston that convinces us he is the best option?

If Swansea win their game in hand they go above them. That is a club who have sold all of their players this summer, sold even more in January and are making staff redundant. Despite this, Potter has them playing great football, took them to an fa cup quarter final where they nearly beat Man City and has kept the club in the play off race up until today. If we were going to hire from mid table, i’d argue Potter is a more obvious choice on his past record.

I feel we are once again only considering the very small market that is the UK. It is a better choice than Allardyce yes, but why do we not look for a more exciting managerial choice. There is a whole world out there with some great coaches. The last 3 managers to top the championship (presuming Norwich now have it) were continental Europeans.

There will be managers in Germany, Portugal, France, Spain or Eastern Europe who could earn more here than there and would jump at the chance of coming. Instead though, we look at limited options like Neil.

Barnsley went second again today in a division with Sunderland and Pompey. Barton was up to his old tricks assaulting their manager Daniel Stendel. Stendel will likely be managing in the championship next season - another German hired success story.
No matter Head Coach or players recruitment, it seems that the board always focus in England only and limited their own choices.
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Post by: elkiellis on April 13, 2019, 08:42:26 PM
I think stick with Shan for the playoffs,he changed the system today big style and it worked he deserves massive credit for this when I heard the line up I feared the worst,he obviously knows the players a new manager will only have a handful of games Neil i don't fancy at all,Monk or Pearson i would want that might be in our price range.
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Post by: baggie96 on April 13, 2019, 08:46:25 PM
By the sounds of Neil’s press conference I’d assume he’ll be in charge ASAP. Very strange that Preston let him take charge today
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2019, 08:47:45 PM
By the sounds of Neil’s press conference I’d assume he’ll be in charge ASAP. Very strange that Preston let him take charge today

I thought that, very odd.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 13, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
No matter Head Coach or players recruitment, it seems that the board always focus in England only and limited their own choices.

They tried Mel when that horrible scouse bloke mcdonogh was with us recommended him and when that failed it's back to type.

The decision of manager in theory should be one that should be greatly influenced by the technical director, I think we have a dud in dowling as we didn't have anybody lined up and we bought in bad reserves from the prem and championship rather than have any knowledge of European players.

The Norwich td was at Huddersfield and found wagoner then after moving to the canaries he did the same and again brought in 2nd team manager from Germany in farke.

Our td in Hammond (give the job to my best mate) and dowling haven't been of the quality required imo.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on April 13, 2019, 09:13:22 PM
I think stick with Shan for the playoffs,he changed the system today big style and it worked he deserves massive credit for this when I heard the line up I feared the worst,he obviously knows the players a new manager will only have a handful of games Neil i don't fancy at all,Monk or Pearson i would want that might be in our price range.

I would be very suprised if Shan isn’t kept on as a first team coach to Neil (should he be appointed). So Neil will still have that knowledge of the squad to turn too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan87uk on April 13, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
It's absurd to think that we are still in this situation at present and whilst I still do not think Shan is the long term answer, he is still preferable at this moment in time compared to bringing in Alex Neil - especially if today's game was anything to go by!

Make the call, offer the money, go get Jokanavic.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2019, 09:23:16 PM
When Dan Ashworth was here as our Sports and Technical Director, didn’t he say that even though we had a Head Coach in place, he was always looking for the next Head Coach?

I wonder what ever happened to that sensible and proactive strategy in making an appointment?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on April 13, 2019, 10:33:42 PM
It is a bit off topic, but serious questions need to be asked about Dowling's performance in his first season at the club. So far it has been a series of poorly handled situations. He just seems like another Hammond.

I hoped that he might shows signs of being an Ashworth, Webber or Ankersen, but so far he is more of a Hammond from what we can measure. Huge disappointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
When Dan Ashworth was here as our Sports and Technical Director, didn’t he say that even though we had a Head Coach in place, he was always looking for the next Head Coach?

I wonder what ever happened to that sensible and proactive strategy in making an appointment?

In the summer we didn't even have scouts, a technical director, or a assistant coach and had that random Italian guy. The club long gave up on planning for the on the pitch future. We're probably one of the worst run clubs right now for on the pitch, everything is very reactionary and without a plan or any vision.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2019, 10:59:41 PM
We've gone from being one of the very best run clubs in the top 2 leagues to one of the worst. Utter shambles. They couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on April 13, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
Everyone said Big Dave was learning. Neil is learning, he is also younger and got a much better CV. Oh hang on. he's not one of the old boys. Have nothing to do with him then.
Might think i'm daft but he could be another Shankly.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on April 14, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
I would never break the bank for a Head Coach and I am disappointed that we seem to be willing to pay compensation for Alex Neil's services but at least grateful that we haven't hired Jokanović on a contract that we can't afford. We are never going to find a World Class coach in the Championship you might argue Leeds have in Bielsa but while has a reputation as is the Godfather of the high press and the coach that influenced Pochettino among others  if you look at his track record it is mixed. If he takes Leeds up this season it could be argued that it is his biggest achievement as a Coach. 

Even if we could find a world class coach there is a limit to what can be achieved with this group of players or any other group of players that the club might ever be fortunate enough to assemble. In short you cannot turn a sows ear into a silk purse. Coaches aren't wizards they don't have a wand yes coaching interventions make a difference but generally they take time to happen and as I might have mentioned in earlier posts coaches need time and an average of 30 games across our last 6 permanent Head Coaches suggests we are not prepared to give them time. 

The only thing that matters is style of play and tactical fit i.e. does the Coach play a brand of football that is worth watching and can the players he has adopt to his tactical blueprint?  It would seem that Neil plays attacking football. Yet the issue will come down to how the existing squad react to him over the next 5 to 8 games. After that this is the coach that could be handed the closest thing he will ever have to a blank sheet of paper.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2019, 09:35:13 AM
I think its important that Shan stays.
Leave him where he is for the playoffs,if he gets us promoted,leave him in post,if not he could stay,after all some of our first team will leave,he knows the young lads coming through well enough to know their strengths,I would love to see us field a young team in the championship .
After all if we do go up all of a sudden we'll have loads of managers/ head coaches interested,most of which are only interested in the money.
At least Shan loves the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on April 14, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
I think its important that Shan stays.
Leave him where he is for the playoffs,if he gets us promoted,leave him in post,if not he could stay,after all some of our first team will leave,he knows the young lads coming through well enough to know their strengths,I would love to see us field a young team in the championship .
After all if we do go up all of a sudden we'll have loads of managers/ head coaches interested,most of which are only interested in the money.
At least Shan loves the club.

I don't think Shan is not a permanent option not least of all because I don't think he wants the job on anything other than an interim basis. That said he absolutely has to be retained on the first team staff it would be scant reward for the job he has done if he was sacked to accommodate the new Head Coach's staff.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 09:50:01 AM
I would never break the bank for a Head Coach and I am disappointed that we seem to be willing to pay compensation for Alex Neil's services but at least grateful that we haven't hired Jokanović on a contract that we can't afford. We are never going to find a World Class coach in the Championship you might argue Leeds have in Bielsa but while has a reputation as is the Godfather of the high press and the coach that influenced Pochettino among others  if you look at his track record it is mixed. If he takes Leeds up this season it could be argued that it is his biggest achievement as a Coach. 

For me the most important person in a football club is the Manager / Head Coach and I would gladly sacrifice buying a top quality player,  his fee and wages for the sake of appointing an above average manager in the Championship

Even if we could find a world class coach there is a limit to what can be achieved with this group of players or any other group of players that the club might ever be fortunate enough to assemble. In short you cannot turn a sows ear into a silk purse. Coaches aren't wizards they don't have a wand yes coaching interventions make a difference but generally they take time to happen and as I might have mentioned in earlier posts coaches need time and an average of 30 games across our last 6 permanent Head Coaches suggests we are not prepared to give them time. 

I think the fact that Pulis was in post for as long as he was would suggest the contrary, if we get the right Head Coach. But it is the clubs poor record of appointments that have exacerbated the problem in the first instance. I’m sure we would stick with a Head Coach if he were delivering. That’s why we should be showing a little more ambition at a crucial time in the clubs history.

The only thing that matters is style of play and tactical fit i.e. does the Coach play a brand of football that is worth watching and can the players he has adopt to his tactical blueprint?  It would seem that Neil plays attacking football. Yet the issue will come down to how the existing squad react to him over the next 5 to 8 games. After that this is the coach that could be handed the closest thing he will ever have to a blank sheet of paper.

If it is to be AN, I sincerely hope he is the man we all hope for him to be in terms of being the Albion’s Head Coach, but I fear he will be no more than average and the average you refer to will continue and all for the sake of a little more expense and ambition. The phrase “penny wise, pound foolish” springs to mind. The real cost of Jokanovic is the difference between his cost and that of AN and would not be breaking the bank, especially with the diligence of our world class creative accountancy team aka Board of Directors.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on April 14, 2019, 10:02:45 AM
People writing off Neil before he even gets here.
I think he would be great for us, better than Shan or the love god McInnes.

People had patience with Moore who was absolutely clueless and had the communication skills of a coconut.

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 10:25:37 AM
People writing off Neil before he even gets here.
I think he would be great for us, better than Shan or the love god McInnes.

People had patience with Moore who was absolutely clueless and had the communication skills of a coconut.

Unbelievable.

Rarely do I agree with you DV, but on this occasion.........
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on April 14, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
Having seen the Preston match, the disappointing thing about Neal's tactics for Preston was they tried to play out from the back.

Wasn't this the mess that got Darren Moore sacked and also the tactic that has probably cost us automatic.

Shan has got us playing to our strengths and ignored the playing out from the back. Now the board want to bring in a guy who will deploy the same tactic.

Before going to the Preston game I was in favour of Neal but now I think its something that is destined to fail.

Wait until then end of the season and try and tempt Monk away from the blues/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
Is it wrong for fans to want their team to appoint what they consider to be the best Head Coach? If so, then I’m guilty!

I have not read any contributor on this thread that has said they wouldn’t back whoever is appointed as the new coach is, even if it isn’t their first choice and that includes AN
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on April 14, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
It looks a racing cert that Neil will be appointed judging by his comments yesterday (even though he says he hasn't been approached - no, but his agent probably has!) and by the betting odds of 1/8. But at a time when we need someone capable of a total rebuild whether we go up or not is he the best man for the job? From what I've read about Neil from various sources it strikes me that we are just going for the cheapest available option. We are going to be in the play-offs so we shouldn't really need a proven manager just to motivate the players for the play off games. The opportunity to double their wages for next season is surely enough to motivate them. I'd rather wait until the end of the season to see what division we are in before deciding. We'd certainly have a better calibre of candidates if we do get promoted.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
Having seen the Preston match, the disappointing thing about Neal's tactics for Preston was they tried to play out from the back.

Wasn't this the mess that got Darren Moore sacked and also the tactic that has probably cost us automatic.

Shan has got us playing to our strengths and ignored the playing out from the back. Now the board want to bring in a guy who will deploy the same tactic.

Before going to the Preston game I was in favour of Neal but now I think its something that is destined to fail.

Wait until then end of the season and try and tempt Monk away from the blues/

Playing out from the back isn’t the problem.  Trying to do it with players not suited to it is the problem.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: barnestormer on April 14, 2019, 11:47:18 AM
Playing out from the back isn’t the problem.  Trying to do it with players not suited to it is the problem.
And for that reason I can see yet another t its up to our seasons end if we appoint AFN
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on April 14, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
Playing out from the back isn’t the problem.  Trying to do it with players not suited to it is the problem.

That probably includes every team in Britain apart from one, Man City.

Man utd tried it at Wolves and got in a mess and conceded a goal.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: 17GD on April 14, 2019, 11:58:24 AM
I noticed the playing out from the back yesterday too. Was disappointed with that. If he does come, I hope he doesn't use that system.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
And for that reason I can see yet another t its up to our seasons end if we appoint AFN

I’m not sure that anybody coming in now would be stupid enough to change the way we play for the rest of this season, given what’s at stake.

I’m increasingly leaning towards Shan plus help from an experienced Shakespeare or a Pearson for the rest of the season.  I fear that the pressure may just get to Shan (we simply don’t know) and having an experienced coach around to help and advise him would take that pressure off.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2019, 12:01:36 PM


For me the most important person in a football club is the Manager / Head Coach and I would gladly sacrifice buying a top quality player,  his fee and wages for the sake of appointing an above average manager in the Championship



Would you, Really?

So, you'd sacrifice a high quality builder for a top quality architect?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Would you, Really?

So, you'd sacrifice a high quality builder for a top quality architect?

I would sooner have a top quality manager at the expense of a top quality player.

But being greed, I’d want both  :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 14, 2019, 12:16:47 PM
Would you, Really?

So, you'd sacrifice a high quality builder for a top quality architect?
I would
The planning in anything is the primary concern
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
I would
The planning in anything is the primary concern

Me too.  Is the architect gets the plans wrong then even a good builder can only work to those plans.

A good, experienced manager with a proven track record of getting results from his squad has to be the number 1 criteria.  We laughed at Villa when Smith started badly. Anyone laughing now? We know Potter has a very good track record and is dealing with a boardroom and financial shitstorm at Swansea. Lee Johnson is doing a very good job at Bristol City, as is Garry Monk at Blues, and one name barely getting a mention is Chris Wilder at Sheffield United.  If for any reason they don’t get up this season, and after yesterday’s results they could well be in the playoffs lottery with us, it would be well worth an approach. I’m sure I read he’s only on £500k salary, and so he’s very poachable.  We will have a far bigger budget than Blades next season.

Amongst the other names mentioned, much as Jokanovic ticks many boxes, gut feeling is he’s not the best fit.  Wagner looks a far better fit.  I also wouldn’t rule out

I want a strong personality who will break up the cosy dressing room clique, and who players will respect and run through a brick wall for.  They need to be tactically astute, and flexible enough to adapt tactics once other teams work us out.

Not really sure where Alex Neil fits in to the above.  He’s not the best choice but he’s certainly not the worst choice either.  But I don’t think he’s the best choice if we go up, so temporary support and assistance for Shan, after 4 wins out of 6, seems increasingly like the best option right now.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
Been on the Preston sites and they think that Neil had already told his layers he was off. That and the fact that our team probably know as well and were playing for their place easily explains yesterdays result. We should not judge a man on one performance under the circumstances.

They were also relatively complimentary about our team, clearly identifying the gulf in class .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 12:36:01 PM
Me too.  Is the architect gets the plans wrong then even a good builder can only work to those plans.

A good, experienced manager with a proven track record of getting results from his squad has to be the number 1 criteria.  We laughed at Villa when Smith started badly. Anyone laughing now? We know Potter has a very good track record and is dealing with a boardroom and financial shitstorm at Swansea. Lee Johnson is doing a very good job at Bristol City, as is Garry Monk at Blues, and one name barely getting a mention is Chris Wilder at Sheffield United.  If for any reason they don’t get up this season, and after yesterday’s results they could well be in the playoffs lottery with us, it would be well worth an approach. I’m sure I read he’s only on £500k salary, and so he’s very poachable.  We will have a far bigger budget than Blades next season.

Amongst the other names mentioned, much as Jokanovic ticks many boxes, gut feeling is he’s not the best fit.  Wagner looks a far better fit.  I also wouldn’t rule out

I want a strong personality who will break up the cosy dressing room clique, and who players will respect and run through a brick wall for.  They need to be tactically astute, and flexible enough to adapt tactics once other teams work us out.

Not really sure where Alex Neil fits in to the above.  He’s not the best choice but he’s certainly not the worst choice either.  But I don’t think he’s the best choice if we go up, so temporary support and assistance for Shan, after 4 wins out of 6, seems increasingly like the best option right now.

I missed out the name “Bilic” after saying “I wouldn’t rule out”.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on April 14, 2019, 12:38:18 PM
Neil took Norwich up and lasted one season. So did Sean Dyche at Burnley, but he learned from that one season.

If Neil did take us up again he would not be going into unchartered territory like before.
But it doesn't matter who is manager, this team is not good enough for the premier league, we need a major cash injection and a total rebuild.

The one i wanted before Moore was Dean Smith, but there you go.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
I would
The planning in anything is the primary concern

IMO planning & execution are equally important.

I agree with Standaman: Ideally, we'd be operating from a blueprint, where the H/C dictates the playing style & their recruitment team identifies the players to suit.

I'm pretty sure that's where Jenkins is attempting to take us, but we're still living with the Pulis legacy.

Traditionally. people with financial backgrounds tend to be risk averse, certainly JP & Jenkins seem to share that mantra, so if what we're seeing is knee jerk, it does make me wonder where the source is.

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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 12:41:52 PM
Neil took Norwich up and lasted one season. So did Sean Dyche at Burnley, but he learned from that one season.

If Neil did take us up again he would not be going into unchartered territory like before.
But it doesn't matter who is manager, this team is not good enough for the premier league, we need a major cash injection and a total rebuild.

The one i wanted before more was Dean Smith, but there you go.

That is indeed true re Neil.  He wouldn’t be a stranger to what the PL is all about, and hopefully he will have learned from that experience.

We wouldn’t get a major cash injection on promotion other than the extra TV money, but we would need to sell 5 or 6 players who aren’t good enough for the Prem and wisely use the sale proceeds to replace them.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Aztech on April 14, 2019, 01:17:31 PM
Neil has just signed a new three year deal at Preston
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 01:18:41 PM
Neil has just signed a new three year deal at Preston

That solves that one then.  Maybe not a bad thing.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on April 14, 2019, 01:19:00 PM
How strange! Can’t imagine losing 4-1 yesterday helped his cause, maybe we told him we’re looking elsewhere?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Ross on April 14, 2019, 01:19:29 PM
Neil has massively drifted in the market. Oh dear Albion :D  :o
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 14, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
Is it worrying that I am relieved by this news? He didn't float my boat but sadly it will now just mean the season petering out with Shan...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 01:23:10 PM
If true, really good news. Never wanted Neil.
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Post by: KN22 on April 14, 2019, 01:24:45 PM
That’s surprised me it really has. We football fans are such a fickle lot. For example, a few of us say why not try for Gary Monk? No doubt he’s doing well at Blues so he may be a good shout. However, ask any Boro fan about him.... he was so bad there that they welcomed the appointment of Pulis! Funny old game.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on April 14, 2019, 01:31:37 PM
Got to be Jokanovic now surely?
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 14, 2019, 01:33:34 PM
Got to be Jokanovic now surely?

Not a chance, this is West Brom. It'll be Dean Keates.
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Post by: Mikkyk on April 14, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
Got to be Jokanovic now surely?

Or Shan?
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 14, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Big Sam?  :o
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Post by: bradleysrocket on April 14, 2019, 01:35:32 PM
Why not just pay the compo for Wagner.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on April 14, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Or Shan?

He’s done a good job but we can’t afford a Millwall/Bristol city performance in the play offs. It should be Jokanovic but I do think they’ll just leave Shan in charge. If that happens and we fail, the board(Jenkins) deserve to be sacked.
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Post by: albion59 on April 14, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
Got to be Jokanovic now surely?
why? Not in my opinion it hasn't.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 01:38:49 PM
There are four games to go till the play offs and Jimmy Shan has just won 4-1 and changed the system to something that seems to suit us. I really don't see the point in appointing any new manager now if we are serious about promotion. Surely bringing in a new man who disrupt things.

Wait and see what division we are in next season the appoint accordingly.

But FFS Albion have someone lined up. We don't want to urine about half the summer trying to get a manager in when he should be preparing for the new season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on April 14, 2019, 01:41:49 PM
I have a feeling that Dean Smith, Graham Potter and Alex Neil will all win promotion before we do.

This club couldn't attract a prostitute to a brothel.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: 17GD on April 14, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
Personally, I think we should wait and whatever happens (promotion or not) I think we should see if anyone becomes available in the summer, maybe give it a few weeks then approach Wagner or Jokanavic if not. Rushing and being hasty will do nothing but cause us problems. If someone comes in mid June that's still plenty of time to get the players in they want and build for the season.

I'm kind of relieved AN isn't coming to us.
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Post by: royhan on April 14, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
I wish I knew who the new manager is going to be. Some betting sites still have Neil as a hot favourite. Apart from Shan the rest are long odds  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Ross on April 14, 2019, 01:44:57 PM
There are four games to go till the play offs and Jimmy Shan has just won 4-1 and changed the system to something that seems to suit us. I really don't see the point in appointing any new manager now if we are serious about promotion. Surely bringing in a new man who disrupt things.

Wait and see what division we are in next season the appoint accordingly.

But FFS Albion have someone lined up. We don't want to urine about half the summer trying to get a manager in when he should be preparing for the new season.

The system only suited us because they were woeful. We can’t expect to go into the playoffs with Livermore and Brunt in the side and compete against the athletic midfields of the other promotion hopefuls  :(
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 01:47:15 PM
The system only suited us because they were woeful. We can’t expect to go into the playoffs with Livermore and Brunt in the side and compete against the athletic midfields of the other promotion hopefuls  :(


They were to be fair.

I'm not convinced Livermore will start when Phillips is up to fitness.

But then Livermore nearly always does start so what do I know?
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 01:49:41 PM
Why not just pay the compo for Wagner.

For 4 games plus the playoffs? Can’t see us doing that. Wait till summer got him
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Post by: Mister AT on April 14, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
I’d still like to see us go for someone like the Barnsley boss.

Another of the German coaches that is really starting to do well.
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 02:01:09 PM
Slavisa Jokanovic, Nigel Pearson, Graham Potter they would be the three on top of my list. It really doesn't help not knowing what league we are going to be in next season though. Far more likely to be the Championship, but just in case it's probably best to hang fire for a while.
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Post by: baggie82 on April 14, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
For 4 games plus the playoffs? Can’t see us doing that. Wait till summer got him

I don't see the point in Wagner, Huddersifeld could barely muster a goal attempt in their two seasons in the premiership. That negative football is not going to work.
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 02:03:24 PM
What a waste of a season this has been really. If we'd have just forked out some money for DS at the start of the season we'd probably be top 2 comfortably now, with Big Dave still at the club, Premier League status restored and a big windfall for Smith to build a team.

Instead we're scrambling around lurching from poor results to unconvincing wins with an Under 18s manager just 4 games before the richest prize in football (Excluding yesterday, that was just a case of our opponents being heavily distracted by the media). We sit here getting rejected by mid table championship coach after nearly 2 months without a professional manager at the helm, with no end in sight or any communication from the club, and our rivals who were mid table until recently racking up 8 wins on the bounce with Smith in charge.

I said at the start of the season that Smith was the right choice, had our fans not been clambering for Darren Moore and the club have spent some money/showed some ambition then how different our situation could be right now.





They weren't. A good percentage of them wanted Dean Smith and voiced concerns over the appointment of Darren Moore.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
I don't see the point in Wagner, Huddersifeld could barely muster a goal attempt in their two seasons in the premiership. That negative football is not going to work.

They hardly spent a penny after promotion.  Showed no ambition.  Made a £23m profit in 2017/18 which highlights how little they spent.   No team going up can hope to survive for long without spending.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
AN signs new contract at PNE
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
So maybe be just used our interest as a bargaining chip for his new contract.  Next please!
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Post by: 17GD on April 14, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Would love Bilic or Puel myself.

The wba board need to have a think about what they want. Money is clearly the answer. So they need to outlay the cash - it takes money to make money.

Wba keep doing things on the cheap and it's no wonder we're in this mess. It's like buying a screwdriver from Aldi instead of BnQ and then wondering why it broke after the first use.
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Post by: darbolina on April 14, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
We need someone who sees us as a  project to rebuild. Neil might've approached us that way but I do suspect he's happy to have used us to get a lucrative new long term contract as mulligan says.

It does beg the recurring question 'what the hell are the board doing'? We seem an absolute shambles. Which likely answers why the club can't secure even a reasonable candidate such as Neil.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 14, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
I have a feeling that Dean Smith, Graham Potter and Alex Neil will all win promotion before we do.

This club couldn't attract a prostitute to a brothel.
Congratulations mate. On a day when I am bloody angry, and embarrassed , you made me laugh out loud. Cheers 
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 02:36:58 PM
Woah. I know it's not the fashionable thing to do but I will stick up for the club here.

Neil has signed a new deal at Preston. We don't know why and despite rumours there has been nothing, absolutely nothing coming out of Albion that confirms we were after Neil at all. Neil quoted to the effect of "There has been no approach" from Albion. Now that's not to say we weren't speaking through an agent but it's all supposition.

Let's not slag the club off without having access to the facts.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
Would love Bilic or Puel myself.

The wba board need to have a think about what they want. Money is clearly the answer. So they need to outlay the cash - it takes money to make money.

Wba keep doing things on the cheap and it's no wonder we're in this mess. It's like buying a screwdriver from Aldi instead of BnQ and then wondering why it broke after the first use.

Puel?  Are you serious? Driven out of Leicester and Southampton because of his dull negative football!

Bilic yes.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
I think one of the parties dodged a bullet,  it which one?
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Post by: 17GD on April 14, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
Puel?  Are you serious? Driven out of Leicester and Southampton because of his dull negative football!

Bilic yes.

Hmmm but he kept them in the PL, plus he couldn't be any worse than Pulis or Pardew. Out of the two, I'd rather Bilic.
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Post by: royhan on April 14, 2019, 02:51:50 PM
Graham Potter is doing a super job at Swansea despite having lost all his big money players and being forced to rely to a great extent on young players. He has gained huge respect from supporters for bringing the best out of his players and playing attractive football at the same time. With his Albion connections he would be a perfect fit for us.
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
Graham Potter is doing a super job at Swansea despite having lost all his big money players and being forced to rely to a great extent on young players. He has gained huge respect from supporters for bringing the best out of his players and playing attractive football at the same time. With his Albion connections he would be a perfect fit for us.


Yes, if we need a re-build. However, if, somehow, we make it to the Premier League what then? We'd need a completely different approach. Similarly with Jokanovic.

Nigel Pearson, on the other hand, won the Championship with Leicester, kept them up and built the nucleus of the squad that won the Premier League.

I've been thinking hard over the last week or so and Pearson would be my number one choice. Yes, I've changed my tune a bit I admit but I'm trying to think rationally rather than re actively after a good or bad result.
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Post by: Xpresso on April 14, 2019, 02:57:06 PM
Hope we're talking to Wagner. His hands are tied atm by a clause in his contract with Huddersfield that means he can't take another job until the end of the season. Alternatively, go for Potter.

Any appointment needs to be for the long term, rather than short-term knee-jerk appointments of recent years. Neil probably decided against us because of the fact that most of the first-team squad are out of contract at the end of the season and he's unlikely to be given the money or the time needed to rebuild the squad.
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Post by: yournotme on April 14, 2019, 02:59:20 PM
heard a rumour yesterday its john terry
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 14, 2019, 03:02:11 PM
Don’t get the love in with potter. Done nothing at Swansea. They got destroyed 4-0 yesterday against a shockingly poor QPR side and are currently on a run of 7 straight away defeats I believe. Watched them several times this season and they are easy on the eye but have no end product and are poor in defence. We’ve beaten them twice. And just like Appleton, shakey and McCinnes he’s an ex baggie. We need to look elsewhere in my opinion.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 03:05:09 PM
Hmmm but he kept them in the PL, plus he couldn't be any worse than Pulis or Pardew. Out of the two, I'd rather Bilic.

He kept up 2 teams who, with their playing and financial resources and what he inherited should have both been top 10 even with an absolute clown in charge.  Hardly an achievement.

His style of football is closer to that of Pulis than to most other managers.  He was hounded out of both clubs because of it.
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 03:07:13 PM
Don’t get the love in with potter. Done nothing at Swansea. They got destroyed 4-0 yesterday against a shockingly poor QPR side and are currently on a run of 7 straight away defeats I believe. Watched them several times this season and they are easy on the eye but have no end product and are poor in defence. We’ve beaten them twice. And just like Appleton, shakey and McCinnes he’s an ex baggie. We need to look elsewhere in my opinion.


He's got nothing to work with at Swansea and is doing (IMO) a superb job in the circumstances. At a club like ours I have little doubt he'd get us promoted but I'm not certain his style of play would be effective in the Premier League. Teams that play attractive, attacking football in the Championship usually fail to stay up in the Premier because the flair players at Championship level don't compare with the flair players in the Premier. Look at Wolves, counter attack team with a few quality individuals. That's the way to do it.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 03:08:57 PM
Don’t get the love in with potter. Done nothing at Swansea. They got destroyed 4-0 yesterday against a shockingly poor QPR side and are currently on a run of 7 straight away defeats I believe. Watched them several times this season and they are easy on the eye but have no end product and are poor in defence. We’ve beaten them twice. And just like Appleton, shakey and McCinnes he’s an ex baggie. We need to look elsewhere in my opinion.

You clearly aren’t aware of what Potter has had to deal with behind the scenes at Swansea.  A decimated squad, no budget to buy, debts galore and he’s had to make do with what’s left.   In the circumstances he’s done very well.  And look at his track record.  He’s a proper coach.  Should be very poachable if things aren’t going to chance quickly behind the scenes at Swansea

His history at our club should count for nothing.  It is totally irrelevant and should not come into it.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 03:09:41 PM
Don’t get the love in with potter. Done nothing at Swansea. They got destroyed 4-0 yesterday against a shockingly poor QPR side and are currently on a run of 7 straight away defeats I believe. Watched them several times this season and they are easy on the eye but have no end product and are poor in defence. We’ve beaten them twice. And just like Appleton, shakey and McCinnes he’s an ex baggie. We need to look elsewhere in my opinion.

He did a bit with a pub team in Sweden though from memory......

Potter is working with huge financial constraints at Swansea so he is doing OK considering. His team at our place were organised but lacked finishing....
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 14, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
You clearly aren’t aware of what Potter has had to deal with behind the scenes at Swansea.  A decimated squad, no budget to buy, debts galore and he’s had to make do with what’s left.   In the circumstances he’s done very well.  And look at his track record.  He’s a proper coach.  Should be very poachable if things aren’t going to chance quickly behind the scenes at Swansea

His history at our club should count for nothing.  It is totally irrelevant and should not come into it.

While I do agree with you about Potter and would much prefer him to the touted Alex Neil, my big concern would be that we don't have the players that would fit his style. I think a move for someone like Potter would be best served in the summer. Shan has impressed me so far, I have to say.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
In respect of Alex Neil, could it be a double bluff?

He signs a new contract with a much greater buy out clause, so instead of £650,000 its closer  to £2m?

Just a thought
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Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2019, 03:17:52 PM
In respect of Alex Neil, could it be a double bluff?

He signs a new contract with a much greater buy out clause, so instead of £650,000 its closer  to £2m?

Just a thought

He's just signed a new contract, he is not coming. !00%.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 14, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
In respect of Alex Neil, could it be a double bluff?

He signs a new contract with a much greater buy out clause, so instead of £650,000 its closer  to £2m?

Just a thought

No chance. He knows he would be pricing himself out of a move. It's more likely that he spoke to our board and discovered what the available budget would be next season and thought "I'm better off staying where I am with less expectation"
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 03:20:07 PM
While I do agree with you about Potter and would much prefer him to the touted Alex Neil, my big concern would be that we don't have the players that would fit his style. I think a move for someone like Potter would be best served in the summer. Shan has impressed me so far, I have to say.

I was assuming you meant in the summer anyway.  We aren’t going to get anybody now for this season who is currently in a job.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2019, 03:26:48 PM
In respect of Alex Neil, could it be a double bluff?

He signs a new contract with a much greater buy out clause, so instead of £650,000 its closer  to £2m?

Just a thought

This is the Albion, I was amazed when I read we were ready to pay the £650k so can never see us paying anything near £2m
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Post by: Dan87uk on April 14, 2019, 03:27:02 PM
Neil has just signed a new three year deal at Preston

This is very good news, massive dodged bullet that is IMO.

Hopefully we grow a pair and put the money on the table for Jokanovic now as he is the best "out of work" manager we can realistically get.

Of the "in work" managers we could potentially prise away, it's fair to say I championed heavily for getting Potter in when Pulis and then Pardew left and still would love us to be able to take him away from debt/problem stricken Swansea.

They are really struggling now finance and structure wise and receiving a payoff for Potter would be mighty tempting for them to help balance the books. Just as a side note to this, anyone doubting Potter's track record so far at Swansea, that team has been decimated behind the scenes. They are making our own problem stricken/paralyzed board look like they know what they are doing (which really is saying something)

Wouldn't say no to Monk but suspect Blues would try to hold out for a big payoff on him. Again though, still tempting for them given their financial worries at present.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
He's just signed a new contract, he is not coming. !00%.

I didn't suggest he was coming, more that PNE know we want him so have decided to up the compensation payout legally.

As others have said, I was amazed that we were prepared to part with £650,000, so I would be gobsmacked if we pursued him now.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 14, 2019, 03:33:31 PM
If by some miracle we win the playoffs, there will be a whole bunch of managers that suddenly want to be here.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
In respect of Alex Neil, could it be a double bluff?

He signs a new contract with a much greater buy out clause, so instead of £650,000 its closer  to £2m?

Just a thought

 Cheaper to get Jokanovic  :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on April 14, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
i said prior to Pardew and Darren that Bilic is my preference, still think he is a strong option.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 14, 2019, 03:47:40 PM
The point is this:

He asked Albion about assurances for money if we went up or stayed down.

Him signing a new deal at Preston tells you everything.

Personally didn't want him and that are better candidates out there IF we give assurances and pay the going rate.

If not, we will continue making ourselves look idiots and clueless.
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 03:52:10 PM
Cheaper to get Jokanovic  :D

Save you changing your avatar as well.... :)
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2019, 03:52:49 PM
heard a rumour yesterday its john terry
Joey Barton might be available from the sound of it
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Post by: Albionic on April 14, 2019, 03:54:03 PM
I'm pretty meh about this, which says it all really
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
The point is this:

He asked Albion about assurances for money if we went up or stayed down.

Him signing a new deal at Preston tells you everything.

Personally didn't want him and that are better candidates out there IF we give assurances and pay the going rate.

If not, we will continue making ourselves look idiots and clueless.

I can only assume that he was shown the jar of buttons we have available and thought better of it.....

Quite a few PNE fans having to eat their words on their sites methinks.....
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Post by: Dexy on April 14, 2019, 04:19:56 PM
Taking my Albion blinkers off I can see why Alex Neil appears to have rejected the job, he's rebuilt his young career after Norwich went sour . Would he really want to work under Jenkins ? , little or no support on the football side of things plus limited finance when a huge rebuild is coming.
Better more stable job offers will come for Neil , I don't like typing that one bit but thats the mess we are in at the top of the club.
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Post by: Baggies on April 14, 2019, 04:27:11 PM
If Shan worked miracles in the play offs, it would probably put us back in the Big Dave position of being ubder pressure to hire him. This us the problem with not having a replacement lined up when we sack the manager. Twice now. Jenkins proving how poor he is as a football club CEO.

I can't see us hiring a manager now, they will take the 4-1 win as a sign to stick. Expect Appleton or Shakespeare to come in as co-manager or similar.

Personal choices. Stendl, Cowley, or somebody from abroad.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 14, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
I think they will leave Shan in charge now.

But, I wouldn't force him to get another coach in, if he doesn't want one and is happy with his current backroom staff.

He won 3 then the performance at Millwall, where we seldom do well, turned some against him. This was followed by the Bristol City game who are close to us in the league and was always going to difficult and he managed to get the team going in the second half when it was easier to give in, after a shocking 18 minutes, and we were unlucky not to get a point.

It is not the ideal scenario, but he is doing well.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 04:47:15 PM
I think they will leave Shan in charge now.

But, I wouldn't force him to get another coach in, if he doesn't want one and is happy with his current backroom staff.

He won 3 then the performance at Millwall, where we seldom do well, turned some against him. This was followed by the Bristol City game who are close to us in the league and was always going to difficult and he managed to get the team going in the second half when it was easier to give in, after a shocking 18 minutes, and we were unlucky not to get a point.

It is not the ideal scenario, but he is doing well.

I’m intrigued by your “we seldom do well at Millwall” comment.  How often have we played away at Millwall in the past decade?   
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Post by: BalisPen on April 14, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
I’m intrigued by your “we seldom do well at Millwall” comment.  How often have we played away at Millwall in the past decade?

Look it up and tell me.

I do know Everton lost there in the cup though.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 14, 2019, 05:05:41 PM
Jenkins is probably breathing a huge sigh of relief.

A nice 4-1 victory yesterday and no need to pay compensation now.

I expect either Shakespeare and Appleton to be appointed and a failure in the play offs
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Post by: frazzle on April 14, 2019, 05:07:29 PM
The point is this:

He asked Albion about assurances for money if we went up or stayed down.

Him signing a new deal at Preston tells you everything.

Personally didn't want him and that are better candidates out there IF we give assurances and pay the going rate.

If not, we will continue making ourselves look idiots and clueless.

Do we know this is a fact?
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Post by: lewisant on April 14, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
Do we know this is a fact?

He said himself that there had been no contact between the club and him and this bit about wanting reassurances is reported but not quoted.
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Post by: kanu on April 14, 2019, 05:39:37 PM
Delighted with this. Preston have had a few good results this season but are as close to 17th as they are the playoffs. They were awful yesterday, totally inept and their overall play was dire. Might as well have kept Big Dave if Neil is the answer. Let Shan see the season out and then there’ll be a good selection to pick from. Don’t think we’ll go up but that’s not the end of the world.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 14, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
Save you changing your avatar as well.... :)

It would and I hope I don’t have to. But would he want to come knowing he would be our second choice  :D
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Post by: baggie96 on April 14, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Heard a rumour Appleton and Shakespeare are both coming in. Appleton as the front man.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
Been out all afternoon and come back to this brilliant news. Massive bullet dodged.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 05:58:50 PM
Look it up and tell me.

I do know Everton lost there in the cup though.

It was you who stated it.  Surely you had already looked it up before doing so?
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Post by: frazzle on April 14, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
He said himself that there had been no contact between the club and him and this bit about wanting reassurances is reported but not quoted.

That’s what I thought. Something presented as fact when just guesswork.
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Post by: divinewind on April 14, 2019, 06:06:08 PM
Seriously, how embarassing is this?
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 14, 2019, 06:07:27 PM
who's next cheapest on the list.😮
wasn't fussed about Neil coming because I think he'd be the wrong man for what s needed at the club, wouldn't be against Shakespeare coming in to help out. left it too late now for a new Manager to have much influence this season. it's going to be down to the players more than management how the rest of this season goes. are they up for the scrap of is it tummy tickling time.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2019, 06:13:17 PM
Seriously, how embarassing is this?


Far more relieved than embarrassed.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 14, 2019, 06:15:46 PM
who's next cheapest on the list.😮
wasn't fussed about Neil coming because I think he'd be the wrong man for what s needed at the club, wouldn't be against Shakespeare coming in to help out. left it too late now for a new Manager to have much influence this season. it's going to be down to the players more than management how the rest of this season goes. are they up for the scrap of is it tummy tickling time.

They've 10 million reasons to play well.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 06:18:17 PM
It was you who stated it.  Surely you had already looked it up before doing so?

We last played them away in the league in 2003/4 and lost 2-0.  This season was the first season since then.   Haven’t had too many opportunities to do well there and even Brunty wasn’t playing that long ago!

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Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2019, 06:22:11 PM
We last played them away in the league in 2003/4 and lost 2-0.  This season was the first season since then.   Haven’t had too many opportunities to do well there and even Brunty wasn’t playing that long ago!
Millwall are fighting for their lives right now, that's what matters, they kept going at Sheff U yesterday and might have cost them automatic.  The end of the season does this, teams at the bottom need to get something.
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Post by: Blowee on April 14, 2019, 06:25:21 PM
Let's start a rumour that Nigel Adkins is the new odds on favourite and that we'll be making an approach after the match on Friday. Just might unsettle things at Hull and work in our favour!
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Post by: Big Al on April 14, 2019, 06:29:35 PM
I was just hoping a manager would come in so they could assess the squad properly before the summer, given the clearout that has to happen whichever league we are in.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2019, 06:29:54 PM
According to the Sun on Sunday (!!) we are interested in Jack Ross from Sunderland

Cannot find the report online though
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
According to the Sun on Sunday (!!) we are interested in Jack Ross from Sunderland

Cannot find the report online though


He's gathered 80 points but surely much like Moore, he's got easily the best team? Another no from me.
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 14, 2019, 06:33:02 PM
Only Albion could be 4th in the league with a chance of promotion and a few good players and get turned down by a manager with no budget at a mid table club :) Love it.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
Let's start a rumour that Nigel Adkins is the new odds on favourite and that we'll be making an approach after the match on Friday. Just might unsettle things at Hull and work in our favour!

Funnily enough, always thought he was very hard done by at Southampton when they replaced him with Pochettino.  Obviously worked out well for Saints but Adkins was doing well at the time.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on April 14, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
Only Albion could be 4th in the league with a chance of promotion and a few good players and get turned down by a manager with no budget at a mid table club :) Love it.
But we didn’t offer him the job did we?
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Post by: alwaysbilly on April 14, 2019, 06:35:15 PM
But we didn’t offer him the job did we?
Lincoln manager is doing well....
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 06:46:14 PM
Lincoln manager is doing well....

Sorry - the Cowley brothers’ style of football would be totally rejected by our fans.
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 14, 2019, 06:49:09 PM
But we didn’t offer him the job did we?

That will be what the club say now :)
Similar to when we came out after transfer deadline day and told everyone the manager didn’t want as many players as he had publically said he wanted :)
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Post by: 1954 on April 14, 2019, 07:00:29 PM
So now the manager/coach of little old PNE prefers them to us?!!!
I would just like to say a big thank you to Peace & his useful idiot Jenkins for turning my beloved club into a laughing stock. >:(
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Post by: lewisant on April 14, 2019, 07:06:06 PM
Odds now shortening on Shan, Carvalhal back in at third fav, with odds also shortening on Jokanovic, Wagner and Shakespeare.
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Post by: Blowee on April 14, 2019, 07:18:50 PM
Odds now shortening on Shan, Carvalhal back in at third fav, with odds also shortening on Jokanovic, Wagner and Shakespeare.
Basically no one has a clue - including the board. I guess the best option is to stick with Shan and (assuming we make the playoffs) at least give him a chance to plan for a semi-final. The continual give him one game at a time isn't helpful for him or the players. Surely a strategy for hopefully a successful play off campaign needs at least that amount of stability?
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Post by: tuamigos on April 14, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
You would think that a decent board would let Shan continue for the rest of the season whilst having the permanent man in the background ready to take over in May regardless of what league we are in.
Or is that too simplistic?
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2019, 08:01:12 PM
The point is this:

He asked Albion about assurances for money if we went up or stayed down.

Him signing a new deal at Preston tells you everything.

Personally didn't want him and that are better candidates out there IF we give assurances and pay the going rate.

If not, we will continue making ourselves look idiots and clueless.


Allegedly, we never made a formal enquiry, so I'm not sure we even got to discuss details.
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 14, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
Can’t help but think we’ve dodged a bullet with Neil, another of the boring British managers who are all about “passion” and hard work than actually bringing in talented footballers and implementing a tactical philosophy.

Hope for our sake it’s true that we never approached him, because if we did it’s extremely worrying that he chose to stay at a smaller club with a far lower budget.

Next appointment needs to be foreign, been saying it for years but it will never happen under this board, they never think outside the box and seem to be planning on a week by week basis this season.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 14, 2019, 08:20:59 PM
We truly being run by a bunch of idiots.

The manager situation is bad enough, but to run out of the most popular away shirt in years, a shirt they should have known has always been popular is symptomatic of the clueless way we are run.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Can’t help but think we’ve dodged a bullet with Neil, another of the boring British managers who are all about “passion” and hard work than actually bringing in talented footballers and implementing a tactical philosophy.

Hope for our sake it’s true that we never approached him, because if we did it’s extremely worrying that he chose to stay at a smaller club with a far lower budget.

Next appointment needs to be foreign, been saying it for years but it will never happen under this board, they never think outside the box and seem to be planning on a week by week basis this season.

This to me is the most concerning thing.

While we could argue where the H/C sits in the pecking order, clearly they sit close to the top.
I'm not sure I could be convinced that we couldn't compete on wages with PNE, which means that the PNE vision must have been more attractive than ours, & also Luton's vision must have been more attractive to GJ.

Have to say, I'm coming to a similar conclusion to other posters, that we either lack vision, or we're not communicating it very well.
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Post by: AlbionBest on April 14, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
A little non plussed by Neil not rocking up to be honest.
However, if we wanted him then I hope it's not the money that we baulked at !

What id concerning is the 'PLAN' ; the immediate plan the Board have after sacking Moore so long ago and the Play Offs looming ? WTF is going on up there ?
When are the owners going to talk to the fans ?
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Post by: Westie on April 14, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
I suspect that our esteemed owner won’t commit to a future budget for transfers, so whoever we appoint will struggle to build a new squad, especially if we happen to go up. If we find ourselves in the Premier League, we will probably be in or near the relegation zone by Christmas and our new head coach will be a gonner. I’m not surprised that Alex Neil has opted to avoid that scenario.

LAI OUT
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Post by: gazberg on April 14, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
Not worth ever betting on anything manager related with the Albion. Even odds on as this farce has shown. The only thing i ever betted on regarding us was when HRK was a free agent and no one was seriously interested in him. He was 14-1 i think to sign for us.

Free player who has not done much but had a decent tourney who wouldn't be too expensive in wages combined with our useless board =licence to print money. Easiest £140 ever made.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 14, 2019, 09:24:54 PM
Only Albion could be 4th in the league with a chance of promotion and a few good players and get turned down by a manager with no budget at a mid table club :) Love it.
Theres a poor endorsement for the club if ever there was one.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 09:36:06 PM
This to me is the most concerning thing.

While we could argue where the H/C sits in the pecking order, clearly they sit close to the top.
I'm not sure I could be convinced that we couldn't compete on wages with PNE, which means that the PNE vision must have been more attractive than ours, & also Luton's vision must have been more attractive to GJ.

Have to say, I'm coming to a similar conclusion to other posters, that we either lack vision, or we're not communicating it very well.

Not sure the Luton/GJ comparison is relevant.  He was offered a chance to a number 1 rather than a number 2. 
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2019, 10:09:25 PM
Not sure the Luton/GJ comparison is relevant.  He was offered a chance to a number 1 rather than a number 2.

Just the same, Luton owners have a massive vision for the club to be a major player in the town's resurgence. Certainly something I would be attracted to.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 14, 2019, 10:10:53 PM
A
V
B

Gerrim in 😉
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Post by: NathWBA on April 14, 2019, 10:21:34 PM
A
V
B

Gerrim in 😉
😂 if only we were that ambitious
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Post by: Standaman on April 14, 2019, 10:31:38 PM
Plainly we were interested in Neil and no doubt we had spoken to his agent. The easiest trick in the book is for the agent to use that interest to leverage a better deal out of PNE works well for his client, who stays with PNE can play up his loyalty to the club doesn't have any personal disruption but gets a longer and better deal at a time when their chances of a play-off spot have receded.

He might have been put off by the level of control he would have over transfers well okay that is not a problem that shouldn't be our model in any event.

I cannot get excited about this either way. Jack Ross perfectly fine yes whatever.
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Post by: overseas baggie on April 14, 2019, 10:55:33 PM
Not sure the Luton/GJ comparison is relevant.  He was offered a chance to a number 1 rather than a number 2.

And almost certainly a large pay increase
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 14, 2019, 10:56:17 PM
Neil staying at PNE should be a wake up cal to all of us ,fans , board, staff uncle  Tom Cobbley etc .  If he sees us as no better  attraction than staying where he is then many are deluding themselves as to what type of proposition we are. The board clearly have not helped the recruitment with their abject lack  of foresight and planning. To sack DM on the eve of the international break without having anybody or it would seem any real clue as to who should succeed him borders on the criminally negligent as well as showing them to be clueless and out of touch !! >:( :( >:(
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Post by: alex1 on April 14, 2019, 10:59:53 PM
A few posters have suggested looking for a European manger. As someone who watches a fair amount of Dutch and German football, I have a few thoughts.
With a Dutch manager, you get alot of attacking flair, but that goes at the cost of defensive discipline. Its like a religon with them and they won't compromise. Frank de Boer is a top manager with the right players, but he failed at Palace, because the players didn't have the ability on the ball to play his system. He tried to give them a crash course in 2 months.

A German manager may be a better bet as they put alot more emphasis on organisation  and tactical discipline. I actually suggested Nico Kovacs and Lucien Favre when Pardew got the push (now respectively Nos. 1 and 2 in the Bundesliga BTW  :P), but now obviously they, and Ralf Rangnick 3rd with Leipzig, are out of reach.  Florian Kohfeldt is a young up and coming name and has done very well at Werder Bremen, but Bruno Labbadia at Wolfsburg may be a better bet as he is out of contract in the summer.

It always depends on whether they would adapt to English football and whether their   english is good enough. There is obviously a risk in importing a manager with no experience in our leagues, but otherwise I expect it will just be an uninspring choice for one of the usual suspects. I assume recruitment is mainly down to Luke Dowling, and to be honest I've no idea how he thinks. He doesn't give many interviews. 
One German who is just doing media work at the moment and knows English football is Jurgen Klinsmann!
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Post by: Dan on April 15, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Jack Ross would be an extremely disappointing appointment, he should have walked the league with Sunderland really - look at how Jackett did with Wolves in that division in similar circumstances. The fact they've only lost 3 hides the fact they've also drawn 17.

There's nothing wrong with looking to British managers, but we seem to be doing it very lazily. No long term vision or planning. Even with Neil you suspect that yesterdays result might have convinced us to stick with Shan - yet more short term decision making.

It's difficult to see a happy future for the club even if we get promoted with this kind of decision making.
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Post by: gazberg on April 15, 2019, 12:28:59 AM
Please not Jack Ross. That's even worse. Sunderland fans on Twitter can't wait to see the back of him
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Post by: lindenbaggie on April 15, 2019, 01:55:38 AM
Please not Jack Ross. That's even worse. Sunderland fans on Twitter can't wait to see the back of him

Less than three years ago, Ross was managing the mighty Alloa Athletic against Bala Town. Nowhere ready for us.
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Post by: tex on April 15, 2019, 03:04:24 AM
all this BS about us not having contacted Alex Neil, just typical Albion trying not to look foolish. How foolish is it to go into the last four games of the regular season with a caretaker manager when the playoffs are on the line.  Experience will count in the playoffs, we have seen that against the top teams we have played. We just seem to be sleepwalking through the season and giving up.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 15, 2019, 03:30:25 AM
I think there's a guy called Tony who's out of contract in the summer :P
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 15, 2019, 06:11:57 AM
What an absolute cake and a*se party this is turning out to be

I am embarassed to be an Albion fan at the moment.
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Post by: Pie on April 15, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
Jack Ross would be a really bad appointment. Sunderland should be miles ahead in league 1. I live in the north east and none of the Mackems are keen on him
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 15, 2019, 07:25:21 AM
this is has comical as the British Government
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 15, 2019, 08:22:36 AM
this is has comical as the British Government

Tough call as to which is worse

Board need to move quickly and resolve in next 24 hours. Appoint supporting coaches and get on with it.

My worry now is we will dilly dally in the summer, irrespective of the division, and we will lose out on signings and transfers.

I can imagine us losing to villa, having a fire sale and being so disorganized that we sign noone until the end of August. Everything appears to be around saving money.
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Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 15, 2019, 08:33:17 AM
may as well just give it to Appleton and Shakespeare
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 15, 2019, 08:34:05 AM
The only thing I know is that I do not want to see Shan leading us into the play offs.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2019, 08:45:46 AM
The only thing I know is that I do not want to see Shan leading us into the play offs.

I think its looking more and more likely that it will be Shan seeing the season out as boss.

The biggest thing the club need to do now, is with everything about the whole Alex Neil situation turning out the way it did - the club have to either come out this week and back Shan with another coach, or even an announcement to say he's in charge till the end of the season.

The uncertainty of this whole game by game, week by week mentality is no good. Just put it to bed and let everyone focus on getting us up.

My biggest concern of all is, its clear to see this board is incompetent in making any decisions and if Shan does manage to get us up this season, I cant see the board having the b*lls to give the job to someone else, putting us in the exact same position next year of a novice man in charge.
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Post by: darbolina on April 15, 2019, 08:58:40 AM
This board (Jenkins) has form for this short-termism. One of his first decisions was to retain Pardew way past what was normal which helped to relegate us. arguably, a month ago a new man could've given us some impetus for the play offs. We're doing well under Shan (credit to him) but this all feels the same as last season - wait and hope that something happens.

I think we're best to now appoint an experienced coach to support Shan throughout the last few games and play - offs then hope (that word again) that the board somehow wake up with a plan in the summer................
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Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2019, 09:07:02 AM
This board (Jenkins) has form for this short-termism. One of his first decisions was to retain Pardew way past what was normal which helped to relegate us. arguably, a month ago a new man could've given us some impetus for the play offs. We're doing well under Shan (credit to him) but this all feels the same as last season - wait and hope that something happens.

I think we're best to now appoint an experienced coach to support Shan throughout the last few games and play - offs then hope (that word again) that the board somehow wake up with a plan in the summer................

I have zero faith in the board having a plan. I would bet my house on them giving Shan the job full time if he got us promoted.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2019, 09:16:42 AM
The only thing I know is that I do not want to see Shan leading us into the play offs.

Shan will be the figurehead, but the real power will be wielded by the clique of senior players that will dictate formations, tactics, player selection et al and I think they will have the Boards blessing until the end of the season.

“Power to the Players”  and “Chrissy Brunt Rules”  OK!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2019, 09:30:21 AM
Why would any manager want to take over a company is such disarray (Money I hear you say)
But any manager worth his salt would be looking in from the outside and think to himself that we are a real bunch of naughty word about merchants, no plan, little prospects, an absent owner and a clueless board that hangs managers out to dry all day long.
Apart from the cash why would a decent manager want this job?


It amazes me that we are being linked with Jack Ross  :'(
I do hope that this is just paper talk again, but it does seem like the type of manager our board would go for.
Another one to be manipulated then hung out
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Post by: smosher34 on April 15, 2019, 10:26:36 AM
May as well keep Shan in charge for the rest of the season only 4 games left. Plus further 3 to Wembley.
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Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 15, 2019, 11:15:22 AM
Why would any manager want to take over a company is such disarray (Money I hear you say)
But any manager worth his salt would be looking in from the outside and think to himself that we are a real bunch of naughty word about merchants, no plan, little prospects, an absent owner and a clueless board that hangs managers out to dry all day long.
Apart from the cash why would a decent manager want this job?


It amazes me that we are being linked with Jack Ross  :'(
I do hope that this is just paper talk again, but it does seem like the type of manager our board would go for.
Another one to be manipulated then hung out
Why such bold negativity? We're fourth, firmly in the playoffs, a real shot of promotion with 2 strikers with 21 goals each. I know we've faffed around with our managerial appointments but for such a strong message, for a team with a real shot of an instant return, i don't get it.
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Post by: AidantheBaggies on April 15, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
I'd be amazed if its not Shan......he ticks all the boxes for Jenkins, the biggest being he will be nice and cheap.
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Post by: gerry m on April 15, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
Neil staying at PNE should be a wake up cal to all of us ,fans , board, staff uncle  Tom Cobbley etc .  If he sees us as no better  attraction than staying where he is then many are deluding themselves as to what type of proposition we are. The board clearly have not helped the recruitment with their abject lack  of foresight and planning. To sack DM on the eve of the international break without having anybody or it would seem any real clue as to who should succeed him borders on the criminally negligent as well as showing them to be clueless and out of touch !! >:( :( >:(

I was thinking along the same lines. Can only assume he would have asked the board about financial assurances should he get the club promoted and was given none.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
Why such bold negativity? We're fourth, firmly in the playoffs, a real shot of promotion with 2 strikers with 21 goals each. I know we've faffed around with our managerial appointments but for such a strong message, for a team with a real shot of an instant return, i don't get it.

you missed out managerless, rudderless and clueless.
But you're quite correct we are 4th, but forgot to add that we should have been promoted about 3 weeks ago with the correct guidance
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Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 15, 2019, 12:22:50 PM
you missed out managerless, rudderless and clueless.
Two of whicb are your opinion, which you are entitled to, but as with all football chat, its most based on what we believe and speculate and not what we actually know. We act like we've had a really bad season, and despite barnes going, question marks over the loyalty of our owner and a constant negativity on social media we are still getting results. Can't believe people can write us off for the playoffs yet. Maybe we should have been promoted, but lets be honest, is it a complete crisis?
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Post by: kendo on April 15, 2019, 12:32:56 PM
If we get Jack Ross, do we have to pay Sunderland compo, or do they pay us for taking him away. What a load of rubbish this club are . No ambition what so ever, they have been a joke,not just for this season. Did they really think we could attract somebody as big as ALEX NEIL. I am trying really hard to get this club out of my system.l
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 15, 2019, 01:55:20 PM
Jack Ross sounds even less inspiring than Alex Neil did.

Whatever happens and whoever we appoint, Jenkins has to go in the summer.

This whole process has descended into an embarrassing farce.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 15, 2019, 01:59:26 PM
It's clear Neal has used the widely publicised 'approach' to leverage his better deal with PNE
How much of what is being said is true no one knows and probably never will
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Post by: BoingFlyer on April 15, 2019, 02:14:17 PM


We really are scrapping the barrel now, I can't believe how incompetent our board and owner really are.
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Post by: Pureade1 on April 15, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
This board and ownership are destroying this club and if we as fans dont wake up and realise that if we dont get these incompetent fools out of our great club soon then the damage their mismanagement will takes many years to put right.

We cant even attract the likes of Alex Neil who to be honest is no great shakes as a manager then you have to ask why and there is only one reason - incompetent management by the hierarchy and an owner who couldnt care less about the club.

Lai Out!
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 15, 2019, 02:40:43 PM
If we appoint Jack Ross, I think that would be it for me.
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Post by: Albionic on April 15, 2019, 03:01:04 PM
If we appoint Jack Ross, I think that would be it for me.
I'd rather have Tom Ross
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Post by: 17GD on April 15, 2019, 03:05:27 PM
I'd rather have Tom Ross

I'd rather have had Bob Ross. At least he could have painted a less bleak picture lol
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Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
Here's a novel idea
Why not leave it as it is now.
6 maybe 7 games to go, with the players we have available what can a new manager do in that space of time.
The players can only play one way. Their way.
Its a high risk strategy bringing in a new bloke at this stage of the season, he might shag it up altogether
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Post by: Blowee on April 15, 2019, 03:13:40 PM
I'd rather have had Bob Ross. At least he could have painted a less bleak picture lol
I'd rather Diana Ross if it's a choice. 😀
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Post by: Albionic on April 15, 2019, 03:19:50 PM
so our choices are Dross or Bros ?   Only at the Albion !

I thought Dross had enough chances previously  ! ;D
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Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
Alan Nixon on twitter is stating that Jokanovic is too expensive - as was Moyes. Then goes on to say the board need to need to 'get real' after not being able to tempt Neil here.

Maybe that will put to bed any hope of us getting in the ex Fulham boss anytime soon.
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Post by: Albionic on April 15, 2019, 03:54:26 PM
Alan Nixon on twitter is stating that Jokanovic is too expensive - as it Moyes. Then goes on to say the board need to need to 'get real' after not being able to tempt Neil here.

Maybe that will put to bed any hope of us getting in the ex Fulham boss anytime soon.

Jesus, we are in a parlous state then.

Shan till its too late
We're in a state
With our heads hanging down
Tony Pulis balked, Alan pardew walked
And Darren Moore fell down.......
 
Sorry  ::)

https://www.google.com/search?q=chantilly+lace+song&oq=chantilly+lace&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.6382j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Post by: royhan on April 15, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
We are DOOMED with the present owner. Get out Lai. No-one wants you.
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Post by: darbolina on April 15, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
Jenkins too. We need strategy not (just) financial management - his specialty.

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Post by: hardtobeat on April 15, 2019, 04:31:37 PM
If  we are looking at that kind of appointment then we should be seriously looking at someone like Mark Robins way ahead of the Sunderland bloke !!!
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2019, 04:42:52 PM
If  we are looking at that kind of appointment then we should be seriously looking at someone like Mark Robins way ahead of the Sunderland bloke !!!

Saved SAF job, who knows, he might just save Jenkins’s. Poor attempt at irony :D ;D :D
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 15, 2019, 05:02:37 PM
As I said at the time of DM's appointment, I think there was a degree of cynicism from the owners.  In appointing DM, if he succeeded, everyone was happy, if he didn't then the owners could blame him for the failure.  All the time not having to invest in a more experienced Manager.  As we head to the play-offs I cannot see any appetite to do more.  Meanwhile we understand from the E&S that Wolves are about to spend £40m on their next acquisition.  Even Villa have more ambition than we do.  We are in the play-offs for goodness sake, but we are still relying on our youth manager to run the first team.  This is madness.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 15, 2019, 05:09:18 PM
Alan Nixon on twitter is stating that Jokanovic is too expensive - as was Moyes. Then goes on to say the board need to need to 'get real' after not being able to tempt Neil here.

Maybe that will put to bed any hope of us getting in the ex Fulham boss anytime soon.

If you look at the tweet again, it's Nixon's opinion. he has no more idea on what's going on than anyone else.

Paying out the Pulis & Pardew contracts cost us an absolute fortune, I think I'd be a bit cautious before committing us to high value contracts again.
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Post by: baggie steve on April 15, 2019, 05:16:21 PM
If  we are looking at that kind of appointment then we should be seriously looking at someone like Mark Robins way ahead of the Sunderland bloke !!!

Wouldn't cost a fortune and he's done a good job with no funds for Coventry , always cones across very well when interviewed , destined for bigger and better than Coventry ..... Would sooner see us go for him than any of the merry go round type
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Post by: SirTonyM on April 15, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
If you look at the tweet again, it's Nixon's opinion. he has no more idea on what's going on than anyone else.

Paying out the Pulis & Pardew contracts cost us an absolute fortune, I think I'd be a bit cautious before committing us to high value contracts again.

Pardews appointment is more baffling the longer you think about it. At least he and his mate Nicky Hammond got a good pay off for failing...
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Post by: superkev on April 15, 2019, 05:46:49 PM
if we are aiming low what about Paul Cook at wigwam, they play good football and fight for the manager
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Post by: royhan on April 15, 2019, 06:54:31 PM
It’s crazy that a club of our stature is supposedly looking in the bargain basement for a new manager. I hope these rumours are unfounded. If we are to attract quality yet unproven young players that won’t cost the earth we need a top class manager even if it means we pay more than we have done in the past.
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Post by: mr multivac on April 15, 2019, 08:51:59 PM
Surely a manager who is out of work and who wants to work would be better off coming to us for whatever is on the table than doing nothing for no pay , if they’re successful then if successful next contract would mean more money or at least makes them more
attractive to other clubs to come in with offers of more money

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Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
Birmingham Live now understands that Jack Ross, the Scot, named PFA Scotland Manager of the Year after guiding St Mirren to the Scottish Championship title in 2018, and current Sunderland boss is not on Albion’s radar.

Phew!!
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Post by: gazberg on April 15, 2019, 09:08:11 PM
Great news
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 15, 2019, 10:06:14 PM
Albions radar??? Albion do not have a radar.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 16, 2019, 01:55:53 AM
We are DOOMED with the present owner. Get out Lai. No-one wants you.
I wouldn't be upset with a new owner but I'd just like to point out a small fact about Albion.
We are only 7 games away from a place back in the Premiership.  I have given up caring who manages us as at this late stage I'm not sure they'd have any impact on the team anyway.
We're stuck with what we have and need to make the most of it. Lets just get behind the team, Shan and the tea lady and help them get over the line in 7 games.
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Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 16, 2019, 08:12:23 AM
Albions radar??? Albion do not have a radar.

is it cause we can't afford one ?
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Post by: crazedwbafan18 on April 16, 2019, 08:39:23 AM
I wouldn't be upset with a new owner but I'd just like to point out a small fact about Albion.
We are only 7 games away from a place back in the Premiership.  I have given up caring who manages us as at this late stage I'm not sure they'd have any impact on the team anyway.
We're stuck with what we have and need to make the most of it. Lets just get behind the team, Shan and the tea lady and help them get over the line in 7 games.
This is my point, we have a really good chance of promotion and we're in disarray as a fanbase. It's not the right time for it! If we fail to get promoted i can understand that, but out of the three relegated teams we've given it the best shot, and we just need to focus on getting to wembley now. Screw the mentality about playing villa in their form if we come up against them, its the playoffs, anything can happen.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 16, 2019, 08:41:55 AM
I wouldn't be upset with a new owner but I'd just like to point out a small fact about Albion.
We are only 7 games away from a place back in the Premiership.  I have given up caring who manages us as at this late stage I'm not sure they'd have any impact on the team anyway.
We're stuck with what we have and need to make the most of it. Lets just get behind the team, Shan and the tea lady and help them get over the line in 7 games.

Absolutely correct, we probably only need to win two more games to return to the top flight
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 16, 2019, 08:54:08 AM
Absolutely correct, we probably only need to win two more games to return to the top flight

Provided it's the last two games
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 16, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Surely a manager who is out of work and who wants to work would be better off coming to us for whatever is on the table than doing nothing for no pay , if they’re successful then if successful next contract would mean more money or at least makes them more
attractive to other clubs to come in with offers of more money

I'd be really disappointed, if the approach is this scattergun.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2019, 10:12:51 AM
From the Birmingham Mail Online

West Bromwich Albion are finally set to clarify the club’s mystifying managerial situation in the next 24 hours.

Jimmy Shan has been in caretaker charge since Darren Moore was unexpectedly sacked, with the Baggies fourth in the table, on March 9.

Albion were strongly expected to make a play this week for Alex Neil, who took his Preston side to The Hawthorns on Saturday.

But the 37-year-old moved to rebuff a potential approach by signing a new three-year deal on Sunday.

Retaining Shan as interim boss for the rest of the season looks the most likely option for chief executive Mark Jenkins and technical director Luke Dowling, who are chiefly responsible for recruiting a successor to Moore.

I can see Brunty and Morrison taking on roles as Player / First Team Coach
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 16, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
Provided it's the last tw azo games

Two out of the last three to be exact
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Post by: Mister AT on April 16, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
From the Birmingham Mail Online

West Bromwich Albion are finally set to clarify the club’s mystifying managerial situation in the next 24 hours.

Jimmy Shan has been in caretaker charge since Darren Moore was unexpectedly sacked, with the Baggies fourth in the table, on March 9.

Albion were strongly expected to make a play this week for Alex Neil, who took his Preston side to The Hawthorns on Saturday.

But the 37-year-old moved to rebuff a potential approach by signing a new three-year deal on Sunday.

Retaining Shan as interim boss for the rest of the season looks the most likely option for chief executive Mark Jenkins and technical director Luke Dowling, who are chiefly responsible for recruiting a successor to Moore.

I can see Brunty and Morrison taking on roles as Player / First Team Coach

If you were to pick outfield players to step up into the coaching, I would guess it would be Gareth Barry.

I fully expect to see us bring in a coach this week just to help out, I know we are a mess, but to literally go into the play offs with no experience in the coaching staff would be suicidal, especially if the option is there to bring one or two coaches in.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
If you were to pick outfield players to step up into the coaching, I would guess it would be Gareth Barry.

I fully expect to see us bring in a coach this week just to help out, I know we are a mess, but to literally go into the play offs with no experience in the coaching staff would be suicidal, especially if the option is there to bring one or two coaches in.

I did think about Barry, but he would be IMO better deployed concentrating on playing, without the distraction of coaching at this time as when fit, he is more likely to feature than Brunt and Morrison.
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Post by: divinewind on April 16, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
From the Birmingham Mail Online

West Bromwich Albion are finally set to clarify the club’s mystifying managerial situation in the next 24 hours.

Jimmy Shan has been in caretaker charge since Darren Moore was unexpectedly sacked, with the Baggies fourth in the table, on March 9.

Albion were strongly expected to make a play this week for Alex Neil, who took his Preston side to The Hawthorns on Saturday.

But the 37-year-old moved to rebuff a potential approach by signing a new three-year deal on Sunday.

Retaining Shan as interim boss for the rest of the season looks the most likely option for chief executive Mark Jenkins and technical director Luke Dowling, who are chiefly responsible for recruiting a successor to Moore.

I can see Brunty and Morrison taking on roles as Player / First Team Coach

Probably take them 24hrs to think of some more plausible bull to feed us. Something like we never approached Neil and Chris Brunt was our No1 target all along.
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Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:04:11 PM
Shan confirmed in charge till end of season on official site

Not like Albion to take the cheap option.

"Technical director Luke Dowling: “Jimmy has fully earned this opportunity to take us through to the end of the campaign. He has earned the support and confidence of the players who have bought into the structural and organisational changes... He has the backing of everyone." #wba"
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Post by: BigFrank20 on April 16, 2019, 12:06:17 PM
Shan confirmed in charge till end of season on official site
No pooh Sherlock
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Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2019, 12:06:47 PM
From the Birmingham Mail Online

West Bromwich Albion are finally set to clarify the club’s mystifying managerial situation in the next 24 hours.

Jimmy Shan has been in caretaker charge since Darren Moore was unexpectedly sacked, with the Baggies fourth in the table, on March 9.

Albion were strongly expected to make a play this week for Alex Neil, who took his Preston side to The Hawthorns on Saturday.

But the 37-year-old moved to rebuff a potential approach by signing a new three-year deal on Sunday.

Retaining Shan as interim boss for the rest of the season looks the most likely option for chief executive Mark Jenkins and technical director Luke Dowling, who are chiefly responsible for recruiting a successor to Moore.

I can see Brunty and Morrison taking on roles as Player / First Team Coach

I can see Mozza taking the role of first team medic.
He should know his way around the treatment room and all the equipment.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2019, 12:07:56 PM
Shan confirmed in charge till end of season on official site

Not like Albion to take the cheap option.

"Technical director Luke Dowling: “Jimmy has fully earned this opportunity to take us through to the end of the campaign. He has earned the support and confidence of the players who have bought into the structural and organisational changes... He has the backing of everyone." #wba"

Fantastic board.
Only took them 5 weeks to reach that decision.
What a team
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Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:10:26 PM
I really despair at this club sometimes. Absolute shambles.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 16, 2019, 12:12:03 PM
Awful news.

Start planning for next season in the Championship with a significantly depleted squad, chaps. This is not going to be pretty as the Seals laugh their proverbials off at us on the way to Wembley.
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Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:15:01 PM
Yep, highly unlikely to be seeing any top flight teams at the Hawthorns for the next few years. Please let me be wrong.
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Post by: paulosull on April 16, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Board don't have to act because we are all but in play offs but what happens if we lose first game of play offs? If we don't go up Jenkins has to go a complete imbecile
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Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:18:43 PM
So angry I only just noticed the bit saying he has the support of the players. Brilliant. Look where that got us.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on April 16, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
So angry I only just noticed the bit saying he has the support of the players. Brilliant. Look where that got us.

Until they blow the play offs and pin the blame on him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:21:21 PM
Get Jenkins out, get the old boys out and if we are determined to start again let's do it properly.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 16, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Not happy or impressed with the board in dealing with this. If we don't succeed in play-offs think they should get a lot of ire and protests.

However; will fully back Jimmy Shan hopefully all the way to May 27th. 
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Post by: mrvulgarity on April 16, 2019, 12:22:47 PM
Not happy or impressed with the board in dealing with this. If we don't succeed in play-offs think they should get a lot of ire and protests.

However; will fully back Jimmy Shan hopefully all the way to May 27th.

Pin this, so we don't all have to put the same response, till a new manager is in place
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Post by: gazberg on April 16, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Agreed, although I am fuming I was still support JS and the team until it's all over with come what may.

The board have hung JS out same as DM.
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Post by: frazzle on April 16, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
Let’s get behind him now. Nothing else will help but getting behind him and supporting the team is the most important thing we can do now, rather than moaning and slating him or the club.

We have potentially found the right formation. Phillips and Gibbs are back. The front two are scoring. Come on Albion!
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Post by: darbolina on April 16, 2019, 12:25:28 PM
This is on Jenkins and Dowling if it goes wrong. What a weird small time club we seem at the moment.

Good luck Jimmy! He seems a decent coach and bloke.  We can hope for a miracle.

Play offs Villa's to lose
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Post by: barnestormer on April 16, 2019, 12:41:43 PM
Procrastinated far too long up to the point it was far to late to have enough time for ANY new coach  have any influence on the squad.hate to say it but probably the best decision this late in the day.we now have a 7 game s hit or bust season.best of luck JS
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Post by: SmethDan on April 16, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
Putting my differences with the board to one side.......... for now!

Forza James Shan.

COYB and SOTV  8) .
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 16, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
OFFICIAL thread for James Shan:

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=23257.0

Thread to be reopened following the season end.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 16, 2019, 12:45:09 PM
Yep, highly unlikely to be seeing any top flight teams at the Hawthorns for the next few years. Please let me be wrong.
we had two this year in Palace and Brighton...
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Post by: KN22 on April 16, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Let’s get behind him now. Nothing else will help but getting behind him and supporting the team is the most important thing we can do now, rather than moaning and slating him or the club.

We have potentially found the right formation. Phillips and Gibbs are back. The front two are scoring. Come on Albion!

This is 100% how I feel Frazzle. I would just add one word to your positives: Johansen.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 17, 2019, 08:26:22 PM
Exclusive: West Brom front runner still interested in Albion hot-seat

We have a wonderful chance to take a different direction, please Albion don’t pass up on it.

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-next-manager-16145615
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 30, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
David Wagner in advanced talks to become Schalke boss in Germany according to Sky
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Post by: Mister AT on April 30, 2019, 11:29:41 AM
David Wagner in advanced talks to become Schalke boss in Germany according to Sky

Would explain why he didn't take our job if the rumours were true that he was one of our top targets.

Would be a good opportunity for him.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
After watching how he set Huddersfield up I'd normally be delighted by this news, however the alternatives that seem to be doing the rounds are all disastrous imo.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2019, 03:15:36 PM
I hope this has legs,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6976525/Birmingham-boss-Garry-Monk-leading-candidate-West-Bromwich-Albion.html

I did hope that we would make an approach for Monk as soon as DM bit the dust
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Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
Alot of fans around me all say go get Gary Monk doing a great job with the blues.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 30, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
Middlesbrough fans don't speak to highly of him, not knowing his best team etc, done well at Blues so maybe works better when no money to spend
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
I'd be relatively happy with Monk if we fail to go up. Otherwise, hard pass.
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Post by: SmethDan on April 30, 2019, 04:25:27 PM
I've no strong feelings one way or the other which leads me to think, meh.........
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 30, 2019, 04:28:29 PM
Middlesbrough fans don't speak to highly of him, not knowing his best team etc, done well at Blues so maybe works better when no money to spend

Took a while to get his first win; albeit with a number of decent performances for draws. May need time to adjust and implement his game-plan. Like others; if we are Championship he would be a reasonable appointment but may need someone else if in Premier League; although I may take a pass on big Sam.
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Post by: BB74 on April 30, 2019, 08:10:18 PM
Wagner set to take up the Schalke job according to BBC.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 30, 2019, 10:19:27 PM
Wagner set to take up the Schalke job according to BBC.

Good. German Pulis from what I saw at Huddersfield.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 30, 2019, 10:39:06 PM
Good. German Pulis from what I saw at Huddersfield.


Opens the way for McPulis up at Aberdeen...


Praying for Jokanovic!!
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Post by: paulosull on May 01, 2019, 11:38:34 AM
After watching Ajax last night, any chance of getting one of their coaches?
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2019, 12:38:45 PM

Opens the way for McPulis up at Aberdeen...


Praying for Jokanovic!!

Anybody shouting for McInnes should watch the highlights of their game against Rangers on Sunday.

An utterly pathetic showing and not one I want to see up here.
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Post by: tommcneill on May 01, 2019, 12:46:21 PM
I think todays reports of Monk being a possibility are quite exciting. He's a good manager
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 01, 2019, 12:49:04 PM
No one should ever want McInnes. Then again, no one should ever have wanted Moore...
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Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 01, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
I think todays reports of Monk being a possibility are quite exciting. He's a good manager

i'd say that is Monks agent being creative and trying to get him a new deal
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 01, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Noone should want Monk. He's another Gary Rowett.

Look at the managers who have won promotion to the Premier League in the last few years

Wolves - Nuno Santo
Fulham - Jokanovic
Norwich - Farke
Sheff Utd - Wilder

Apart from the aberration of Warnock last season, most of the managers to win promotion last few years have been young and / or foreign. New ideas are going to win the day, not old ones regurgitated.

But since Ashworth left we've been well behind the curve.
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Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2019, 01:18:22 PM
Noone should want Monk. He's another Gary Rowett.

Look at the managers who have won promotion to the Premier League in the last few years

Wolves - Nuno Santo
Fulham - Jokanovic
Norwich - Farke
Sheff Utd - Wilder

Apart from the aberration of Warnock last season, most of the managers to win promotion last few years have been young and / or foreign. New ideas are going to win the day, not old ones regurgitated.

But since Ashworth left we've been well behind the curve.

I'll take your young bucks and raise you

Warnock - Cardiff
Bruce - Hull
Benitez - Newcastle
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 01, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
I'll take your young bucks and raise you

Warnock - Cardiff
Bruce - Hull
Benitez - Newcastle

Hughton, Karanka, Dyche, Pearson & Alex Neil

Plenty of ways to skin a cat.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 01, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
Benitez is a different class of manager, should never have been in the Championship.

But there is a trend. You don't have to go that far back for Hughton etc., but the trend is towards foreign or younger managers with new ideas.
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Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2019, 01:36:54 PM
Benitez is a different class of manager, should never have been in the Championship.

But there is a trend. You don't have to go that far back for Hughton etc., but the trend is towards foreign or younger managers with new ideas.

but is it ?
Warnock / Bruce / hughton / Dyche / Wilder all British,

If someone did the analysis of Number of young & foreign managers in the championship versus number of same getting promoted, i would accept that.

My guess is that young and foreign is becoming more common therefore will inevitably result in promotions (and relegations).

Being Older or British doesn't make you less capable per se, being a footballing dinasour of any age / nationality will catch up with you eventually though.
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Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2019, 01:56:56 PM
couldn't help myself  - sorry

2018 = 4 foreign championship managers
2017  = 6 foreign managers
2016 = 6 foreign managers

taking sub 41 as being "young"
2018 = 4
2017 = 4
2016 = 4

I contend that the Theory of young & foreign TREND is disproven,

Neil Harris    12-Jul-77   Millwall
Lee Johnson   07-Jun-81   Bristol City
Chris Wilder   23-Sep-67   Sheffield United
Phil Parkinson   01-Dec-67   Bolton Wanderers
Paul Warne   08-May-73   Rotherham United
Tony Mowbray   22-Nov-63   Blackburn Rovers
Daniel Farke   30-Oct-76   Norwich City
Paul Cook   22-Feb-67   Wigan Athletic
Alex Neil   09-Jun-81   Preston North End
Nigel Adkins   11-Mar-65   Hull City
Tony Pulis   16-Jan-58   Middlesbrough
Garry Monk   06-Mar-79   Birmingham City
Frank Lampard   20-Jun-78   Derby County
Graham Potter   20-May-75   Swansea City
Marcelo Bielsa   21-Jul-55   Leeds United
Dean Smith   19-Mar-71   Aston Villa
Thomas Frank   09-Oct-73   Brentford
Paul Lambert   07-Aug-69   Ipswich Town
José Manuel Gomes   28-Aug-70   Reading
Nathan Jones   28-May-73   Stoke City
Martin O'Neill   01-Mar-52   Nottingham Forest
Steve Bruce   31-Dec-60   Sheffield Wednesday
James Shan   28-Oct-78   West Bromwich Albion
John Eustace   03-Nov-79   Queens Park Rangers
      
Aston Villa    Steve Bruce   
Barnsley    José Morais   
Birmingham City    Garry Monk   
Bolton Wanderers    Phil Parkinson   
Brentford    Dean Smith   
Bristol City    Lee Johnson   
Burton Albion    Nigel Clough   
Cardiff City    Neil Warnock   
Derby County    Gary Rowett   
Fulham    SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović   
Hull City    Nigel Adkins   
Ipswich Town    Paul Hurst   
Leeds United    Paul Heckingbottom   
Middlesbrough    Tony Pulis   
Millwall    Neil Harris   
Norwich City    Daniel Farke   
Nottingham Forest    Aitor Karanka   
Preston North End    Alex Neil   
Queens Park Rangers    Ian Holloway   
Reading    Paul Clement   
Sheffield United    Chris Wilder   
Sheffield Wednesday    Jos Luhukay   
Sunderland    Jack Ross   
Wolverhampton Wanderers    Nuno Espírito Santo   4
      
      
Aston Villa    Steve Bruce   
Barnsley    Paul Heckingbottom   
Birmingham City    Harry Redknapp   
Blackburn Rovers    Tony Mowbray   
Brentford    Dean Smith   
Brighton & Hove Albion    Chris Hughton   
Bristol City    Lee Johnson   
Burton Albion    Nigel Clough   
Cardiff City    Neil Warnock   
Derby County    Gary Rowett   
Fulham    SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović   
Huddersfield Town    David Wagner   
Ipswich Town    Mick McCarthy   
Leeds United    Garry Monk   
Newcastle United    Rafael Benítez   
Norwich City    Daniel Farke   
Nottingham Forest    Mark Warburton   
Preston North End    Simon Grayson   
Queens Park Rangers    Ian Holloway   
Reading    Jaap Stam   
Rotherham United    Paul Warne   
Sheffield Wednesday    Carlos Carvalhal   
Wigan Athletic    Paul Cook   
Wolverhampton Wanderers    Paul Lambert   
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 01, 2019, 03:13:06 PM
You need to get out more Albionic…... ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 01, 2019, 03:45:33 PM
I contend that the Theory of young & foreign TREND is disproven,

The problem is...he said young or foreign, not and.
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Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
The problem is...he said young or foreign, not and.

we're both wrong, he said " young and / or foreign."

so, I still contend the trend theory is disproven
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2019, 09:14:09 PM
If we don't go up we need to think about our policy and which manager we need.
All the top sides in the prem are playing high tempo pressing attacking football. This extends to Norwich, Leeds and with a pinch Sheff Utd...also Barnsley in league 1.
We have a good crop of youngsters coming through, which is now starting to be backed up by results with the progress in the FA youth cup.
We shouldn't get stuck on  the theory that all youngsters, parents, agents are interested in is who pays the big money. If we want to keep these youngsters for a year or two and get some value from them, we need to be playing in a style that will make them and advisers realise that our club is a good grounding for young players and benefit them when the better ones move on. Not ready for Championship football ?Do Ajax think their youngsters are not ready ?
I'm not talking about us promoting the entire under 18's squad, we will be selling Rondon and a few others this summer. We can get some targeted signings, permanent or loan to fit in with the style. The alternative may be limping along with the same mix of experienced, injury prone, lack of pace mix that we've been working with.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on May 02, 2019, 01:11:37 PM
I'm going to go and bang my head against a wall.

I didn't mean the trend was for most clubs to appoint young or foreign managers, but for the PROMOTED SIDES to do so.

If there were only 4 foreign Championship managers in 2018, and two of them got promotion, then that's a 50% success rate for foreign managers. One of the other two was a long term project, who is winning the division this year.

If we go back by years:

2019 - Farke (German), Wilder (young British) - plus one from Bielsa (Argentinian), Smith (young British), Shan (yougn British), Lampard (young British), Pulis, or Johnson (young British).

2018 - Santo (Portuguese), Warnock, Jokanovic (Serbian)

2017 - Benitez (Spanish), Hughton (young British), Wagner (German)

2016 - Karanka (Spanish), Dyche (young British), Bruce - who was actually playing with wing-backs rather than his usual 4-4-2

That's four years, and only 2 of the 'old guard' British managers have won promotion, versus 6 foreigners and 3 young Brits. Even if the younger Brits are still playing hoof ball, they are still implementing new ideas off the pitch.

The older generation of managers have little to nothing to offer anymore. We need to be progressive in our appointment of a manager.
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Post by: Standaman on May 02, 2019, 06:18:10 PM
Hughton is hardly young he is 2 years older than me. ;D

The prospect of Monk or another young but largely pragmatic coach from the British school is hardly a progressive move. Equally just because they are foreign does not mean that Karanka, Wagner and Benetiz play football that is worth watching.

Seriously the only thing that matters is what type of football the Head Coach is going to try to play. The more defensive less progressive the less enamoured I will be with the appointment.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 02, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
I've said his name before but i still want Alex Zorniger, young-ish with pedigree and an aggressive & attacking mentality in the German style who nurtures young talent... he's also a free agent.

last manager i wanted was a german free agent when we sacked Irvine, his name was Lucien Favre. Instead we got Pulis...
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Post by: Albionic on May 02, 2019, 06:45:30 PM
Hughton is hardly young he is 2 years older than me. ;D

The prospect of Monk or another young but largely pragmatic coach from the British school is hardly a progressive move. Equally just because they are foreign does not mean that Karanka, Wagner and Benetiz play football that is worth watching.

Seriously the only thing that matters is what type of football the Head Coach is going to try to play. The more defensive less progressive the less enamoured I will be with the appointment.

thanks for making my point for me Standaman, Age / nationality are unimportant, the ability to manage and coach "good" football is what we need regardless of the individuals background
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 02, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
i'd say that is Monks agent being creative and trying to get him a new deal

Not sure they’re in any position to be offering new deals given the savings they have to make in this financial year.

I wouldn’t be adverse to Monk should we not get promotion
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Post by: BalisPen on May 02, 2019, 09:29:51 PM
I would not want Monk, he has this reputation, but he hasn't done anything.

I would look at Stendel at Barnsley if we stay down, and I have feeling Chris Hughton will leave Brighton so maybe look at him or someone from abroad like hasselhuttl.
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Post by: Black Country Pride on May 02, 2019, 10:23:05 PM
I've said his name before but i still want Alex Zorniger, young-ish with pedigree and an aggressive & attacking mentality in the German style who nurtures young talent... he's also a free agent.

last manager i wanted was a german free agent when we sacked Irvine, his name was Lucien Favre. Instead we got Pulis...

With that surname it would be amazing if he couldn't dish out the hairdryer treatment at the very least.   ;)
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 03, 2019, 09:19:40 AM
It’s the Monk for me.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 03, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
couldn't help myself  - sorry

2018 = 4 foreign championship managers
2017  = 6 foreign managers
2016 = 6 foreign managers

taking sub 41 as being "young"
2018 = 4
2017 = 4
2016 = 4

I contend that the Theory of young & foreign TREND is disproven,

Neil Harris    12-Jul-77   Millwall
Lee Johnson   07-Jun-81   Bristol City
Chris Wilder   23-Sep-67   Sheffield United
Phil Parkinson   01-Dec-67   Bolton Wanderers
Paul Warne   08-May-73   Rotherham United
Tony Mowbray   22-Nov-63   Blackburn Rovers
Daniel Farke   30-Oct-76   Norwich City
Paul Cook   22-Feb-67   Wigan Athletic
Alex Neil   09-Jun-81   Preston North End
Nigel Adkins   11-Mar-65   Hull City
Tony Pulis   16-Jan-58   Middlesbrough
Garry Monk   06-Mar-79   Birmingham City
Frank Lampard   20-Jun-78   Derby County
Graham Potter   20-May-75   Swansea City
Marcelo Bielsa   21-Jul-55   Leeds United
Dean Smith   19-Mar-71   Aston Villa
Thomas Frank   09-Oct-73   Brentford
Paul Lambert   07-Aug-69   Ipswich Town
José Manuel Gomes   28-Aug-70   Reading
Nathan Jones   28-May-73   Stoke City
Martin O'Neill   01-Mar-52   Nottingham Forest
Steve Bruce   31-Dec-60   Sheffield Wednesday
James Shan   28-Oct-78   West Bromwich Albion
John Eustace   03-Nov-79   Queens Park Rangers
      
Aston Villa    Steve Bruce   
Barnsley    José Morais   
Birmingham City    Garry Monk   
Bolton Wanderers    Phil Parkinson   
Brentford    Dean Smith   
Bristol City    Lee Johnson   
Burton Albion    Nigel Clough   
Cardiff City    Neil Warnock   
Derby County    Gary Rowett   
Fulham    SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović   
Hull City    Nigel Adkins   
Ipswich Town    Paul Hurst   
Leeds United    Paul Heckingbottom   
Middlesbrough    Tony Pulis   
Millwall    Neil Harris   
Norwich City    Daniel Farke   
Nottingham Forest    Aitor Karanka   
Preston North End    Alex Neil   
Queens Park Rangers    Ian Holloway   
Reading    Paul Clement   
Sheffield United    Chris Wilder   
Sheffield Wednesday    Jos Luhukay   
Sunderland    Jack Ross   
Wolverhampton Wanderers    Nuno Espírito Santo   4
      
      
Aston Villa    Steve Bruce   
Barnsley    Paul Heckingbottom   
Birmingham City    Harry Redknapp   
Blackburn Rovers    Tony Mowbray   
Brentford    Dean Smith   
Brighton & Hove Albion    Chris Hughton   
Bristol City    Lee Johnson   
Burton Albion    Nigel Clough   
Cardiff City    Neil Warnock   
Derby County    Gary Rowett   
Fulham    SlaviÅ¡a Jokanović   
Huddersfield Town    David Wagner   
Ipswich Town    Mick McCarthy   
Leeds United    Garry Monk   
Newcastle United    Rafael Benítez   
Norwich City    Daniel Farke   
Nottingham Forest    Mark Warburton   
Preston North End    Simon Grayson   
Queens Park Rangers    Ian Holloway   
Reading    Jaap Stam   
Rotherham United    Paul Warne   
Sheffield Wednesday    Carlos Carvalhal   
Wigan Athletic    Paul Cook   
Wolverhampton Wanderers    Paul Lambert

all that's done is made me suddenly feel really old as I'm older than all but 5 (Mowbray, Pulis, Adkin, Bielsa and O'Neill)!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2019, 01:23:59 PM
Can't help but think people are worrying about all this a little too much.

We all know the choice of next boss is really important.

Equally we all have a nagging suspicion the board will royally naughty word everything up.

No point worrying over the seemingly inevitable.

May as well just kick back and 'enjoy' the play offs...... over to you Doris  ;D .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc
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Post by: tuamigos on May 03, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
all that's done is made me suddenly feel really old as I'm older than all but 5 (Mowbray, Pulis, Adkin, Bielsa and O'Neill)!

What about Warnock, Holloway, Benitez?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2019, 03:02:08 PM
1 Nigel Pearson
2 Slavisa Jokanavic


Those two should be head, shoulders, belly and knees above anyone else.

Pearson built the nucleus of of the Leicester squad that won the Premier League after getting promoted from the Championship. FFS, you are not going to get better than that.
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Post by: Adder on May 03, 2019, 04:05:37 PM
1 Nigel Pearson
2 Slavisa Jokanavic


Those two should be head, shoulders, belly and knees above anyone else.

Pearson built the nucleus of of the Leicester squad that won the Premier League after getting promoted from the Championship. FFS, you are not going to get better than that.
Pearson has had two or 3 mad moments since then. Didn't last long at Derby and sacked after 18 months in Belgium. The last 3 years haven't been great on his CV.
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Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2019, 04:21:49 PM
Pearson has had two or 3 mad moments since then. Didn't last long at Derby and sacked after 18 months in Belgium. The last 3 years haven't been great on his CV.

Belgian football ain't English football. Look at Guardiola can't even get to the Champions League semis with City. No probs with Barcelona. Different leagues have different styles and suit different people. Give Pearson a four year contract here and you'll see the results.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on May 03, 2019, 04:58:17 PM
Pearson built the nucleus of of the Leicester squad that won the Premier League after getting promoted from the Championship. FFS, you are not going to get better than that.

That wasn't really Pearson, that was the director of football Steve Walsh. He was the one who scouted the likes of Mahrez, took chances on Vardy, Albrighton, etc.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 03, 2019, 05:09:54 PM
That wasn't really Pearson, that was the director of football Steve Walsh. He was the one who scouted the likes of Mahrez, took chances on Vardy, Albrighton, etc.


Not really. It's always easy to spin whatever you like. Who was the head coach? That is where the buck stops.
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Post by: Dexy on May 03, 2019, 05:32:40 PM
Could be wrong but isn't Pearson another of the non JP /Jenkins fan club ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on May 03, 2019, 06:13:55 PM
Could be wrong but isn't Pearson another of the non JP /Jenkins fan club ?

Very much so according to reports back in the day.
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Post by: baggie steve on May 03, 2019, 07:28:13 PM
One name I've not heard mentioned , and doing an excellent job in his first season.
Steve Gerrard......
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
One name I've not heard mentioned , and doing an excellent job in his first season.
Steve Gerrard......


Would love us to be the club that gives Stevie G his first decent job in England.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 03, 2019, 08:14:30 PM

Would love us to be the club that gives Stevie G his first decent job in England.
Whoopie!! Then we can be called Gerrard’s Baggies. No thanks.
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Post by: Adder on May 03, 2019, 10:44:37 PM
Belgian football ain't English football. Look at Guardiola can't even get to the Champions League semis with City. No probs with Barcelona. Different leagues have different styles and suit different people. Give Pearson a four year contract here and you'll see the results.
His behaviour has been more than a touch erratic which is one reason I'd steer clear, that and the lack of any recent managerial form - why was he in the Belgian 2nd flight in the first place ?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 03, 2019, 11:16:56 PM
His behaviour has been more than a touch erratic which is one reason I'd steer clear, that and the lack of any recent managerial form - why was he in the Belgian 2nd flight in the first place ?
King Power own them as well.
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Post by: gazberg on May 05, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
2m compo for Potter if we want him according to ALan Nixon so we can rule that out.
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Post by: royhan on May 05, 2019, 11:40:24 AM
2m compo for Potter if we want him according to ALan Nixon so we can rule that out.


I don't see why we should rule Potter out. £2m for a manager who has shown that he can develop promising young players is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by: gazberg on May 05, 2019, 11:53:38 AM
I agree but we know the board sees things very differently.
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Post by: frazzle on May 05, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
I would absolutely love it if we brought Potter in.
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Post by: kie the baggie on May 05, 2019, 03:15:42 PM
Would love tony Mowbray back
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Post by: Atomic on May 05, 2019, 03:17:31 PM
2m compo for Potter if we want him according to ALan Nixon so we can rule that out.


Potter is the only other I'd entertain. Good manager I just don't think we'll go for him. We didn't in the summer.
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Post by: gazberg on May 05, 2019, 03:21:08 PM
I wouldn't mind him here. Done a good job in hard circumstances this season but I just can't see us paying for him.
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Post by: Aztech on May 05, 2019, 04:50:00 PM
Gary Hacket just left Stourbridge after 16 years.

Nice cheap option for our ambitious board of directors!
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Post by: paulosull on May 05, 2019, 05:02:36 PM
Being reported that us and Fulham interested in Bristol City manager, can see this happening if we fail in play offs but see us going for big Sam if we are promoted.
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Post by: baggie96 on May 05, 2019, 05:03:20 PM
I don’t think we’ll go up so would be looking at Lee Johnson, graham potter and Appleton. Think Johnson would be a good shout.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 05, 2019, 06:55:08 PM
Potter please.  By a distance.   
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 05, 2019, 07:14:32 PM
Went to watch Macclesfield yesterday Sol has done an excellent job under really difficult circumstances financially.
They played some nice football and they had a togetherness about them I don't think people realise what a job he has done from the position they were in.
I know its his first job but Derby took a chance on fat Frank and I don't think it would take much to lure him away from League 2.
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Post by: BaggieBirdRus on May 05, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
IF Potter is available for £2 million I’d pay that in a heartbeat
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Post by: baggie82 on May 05, 2019, 09:42:09 PM
Why would be want Potter? He's built a Swansea team that don't hurt the opposition but do look good on the halfway line.
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Post by: baggiebof on May 05, 2019, 11:39:27 PM
Why would be want Potter? He's built a Swansea team that don't hurt the opposition but do look good on the halfway line.

Early days in their rebuild, they'll be up there challenging next season in my opinion. I'd have liked Potter last summer but we would need a total overhaul of the squad to suit Potter and it is clear that our board want to 'win' now; he won't be coming here.
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Post by: Standaman on May 05, 2019, 11:52:37 PM
Let's be honest if you are a reasonably well regarded Championship Head Coach like Potter Johnson Monk or Neil whatever the frustrations at your current club (unless things are really poisonous behind the scenes) you would be completely mad to give that up for the Albion job. Remember we have fired our last 6 coaches on average after less than 40 games, our 2 longest serving players are on their 9th coach and we fired the last one for being 4th with a dozen or so games to go before the end of the season.

If our next coach signs a 3 year deal that would be better described as a 1 year contract plus two years compensation. In that environment it is a complete and utter waste of money paying another club compensation on top of the almost inevitable compensation on termination. If Head Coaches are essentially disposable don't waste money on the process.

IF we are serious then we have to stick with a coach and that means being prepared to suffer a downswing of more than 3 games but I doubt we are so let's stop talking about x or y £'s being a worthwhile investment it isn't.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 06, 2019, 07:33:47 AM
The only way forward is to make Lai understand that there is no quick way back to the Premier League, and that the club needs a complete rebuild if it is ever to return there.
His investment has failed, his money is lost, there is no short term fix
Then appoint someone like Potter to take on the project.
The alternative is to keep changing management/coaches most of whom are not qualified in terms of proper experience, and to continue to extend the contracts of players who are neither fit or capable.
The club has not made one good appointment at any level since Peace left, and I really do not know why we expect a new dawn any time soon, but i do know one thing, and that is we must build a team with our own players, and not someone else's.
,
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2019, 08:43:09 AM
Steve Clarke, Kilmarnock Manager has been named Manager of the Year in Scotland.

He always said he had unfinished business at West Brom, worth a shout do you think?

For me, Jokanovic
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
The only way forward is to make Lai understand that there is no quick way back to the Premier League, and that the club needs a complete rebuild if it is ever to return there.
His investment has failed, his money is lost, there is no short term fix


Think you might have a problem with that.

It's unlikely that GL would write off an alleged £200 million, but more important, is the Chinese culture & the importance of losing face. He would not admit failure lightly.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 06, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
Think you might have a problem with that.

It's unlikely that GL would write off an alleged £200 million, but more important, is the Chinese culture & the importance of losing face. He would not admit failure lightly.

His investment is probably only around 75% lost, but yes you are right.

What the club needs is an almost total squad rebuild, which will take at least 3 transfer windows for a new manager to get right.  What Lai needs is a return next season to the PL before the parachute funding really drops away.  That is a direct conflict - medium term v short term, and Lai decides which it is.

I have three major positive thoughts for next season if we don’t get up this month. Firstly, Cardiff, Fulham and Huddersfield coming down doesn’t worry me.  There’s nothing there to really worry us. Secondly, the two other teams who don’t go up this year out of Villa, Leeds and Derby all will be facing significant cuts next season (Leeds slightly less than the other two).  Thirdly, our parachute funding drops from £42m to £34m but we can sell two players that we haven’t missed this season, Rondon and Burke, for close to £25m, which covers the £8m shortfall plus the purchase of Gayle (or another proven striker) plus leaves another £5m-£6m to help balance the books.  Finances won’t worry us next season. We have every reason to be positive.

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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 06, 2019, 10:21:42 AM
Steve Clarke, Kilmarnock Manager has been named Manager of the Year in Scotland.

He always said he had unfinished business at West Brom, worth a shout do you think?

For me, Jokanovic

Think he wants the Scotland job for some reason, another poisoned chalice. I think he'd be mad to give up his current job for us or the Scottish FA.
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Post by: Cullompton baggie on May 06, 2019, 10:24:14 AM
Steve Clarke, Kilmarnock Manager has been named Manager of the Year in Scotland.

He always said he had unfinished business at West Brom, worth a shout do you think?

For me, Jokanovic

would take Clarke in a Heartbeat, very unlucky to be sacked last time.
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Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2019, 11:15:33 AM
It is interesting that Clarke's name has cropped up and I am not championing his cause at all but the end of his first season in charge might have been the last point in time there was a real feel good atmosphere about the club.

It might be argued that Peace and by extension Jenkins have learned the entirely wrong lessons from the experience of the last decade. The quick fix appointment worked until it failed and once it fails it tends continue failing until you go back to basics learn patience and start a long term recovery.

The last well organised mid season change of coach we had was when Di Matteo was replaced by Hodgson. At the time Ashworth identified the problem and had not one but two potential candidates in Hodgson or Hughton who were not only capable of fixing the short term problem but also working with the squad and the backroom set up to establish the club in the Premier League.

The Clarke appointment made sense given the by now well oiled machine behind the scenes that was being run by Ashworth we needed a coach not a manager it worked until Ashworth left. The biggest misstep was not replacing Ashworth with a top notch TD. Peace had to know how pivotal the role was after all he pioneered it.

We fire Clarke who by now had started to trip over his own aspirations of being an old style gaffer. We make a bizarre quick fix appointment of Pepe Mel who was absolutely not a quick fix and whose default style of play was completely at odds with a squad that was set up to defend deep and counter attack. Unsurprisingly this appointment failed while we squeaked home to stay in the league an outcome we might have achieved under Clarke. Hence we went through a hiring and firing cycle without fixing the problem or even properly working out what the problem was.

Enter Irvine. Now bear with me but there was a logic here. First of all Irvine was a pragmatic coach in the Clarke mold secondly he had a deserved reputation for helping young talent progress into the first team at Everton. Unfortunately the logic was flawed in so much as it overlooked the fact that Irvine's last gig as Head Coach had gone badly and unlike Clarke he wouldn't have the benefit of a well oiled backroom machine which by now had lost key members of staff and was being slowly degraded by poor appointments.

By the time Pulis arrived we are deep into a cycle of fixing the last bad hire, we are simply trying to survive as a Premier League outfit long enough for Peace to sell up. All pretence of long term planning goes out of the window the last traces of the Ashworth model are jetisoned. Works to a point when the sheer grind Pulisball is destroying the club.

We have all new management but it is old school. It is entirely reactive there is no long term vision there is no proper infrastucrure or know how that isn't under the completely under the malign influence of Pulis. We fire Pulis and then make an appointment that is so gobsmackingly bad in Pardew that it costs everyone associated with it their job.

Jenkins returns fires Pardew maybe too late or maybe too early and puts Darren Moore in charge. This works to a point  we get a bounce there is a feel good factor only someone with an emotional connection to the club and it's fans can generate. However we don't fix any of the long term problems we don't appoint a TD we lose ourselves in the strange temporary appointment of a relatively obscure Italian consultant, we leave a rookie coach largely unsupported through a key summer and indulge his desire to appoint Graham Jones which with the advatnage of hindsight (I was delighted when appointed him) might not have been the wisest move.

We have made mistakes and over promoting Moore on a wave of rare feelgood emotion might have been the last in a long line but we now compound it by firing him without a clear plan although it is not the firing that angers many fans it is the absence of a sucessor. Like the club we have become addicted to the quick fix the desire for the wizzard with a wand to fix the all the problems well there isn't a wizzard there are no quick fixes sorry folks we have to strip this down to basics rebuild and that might take time.

However we won't start the process until Jenkins works out that the only way forward is to reboot back to a model that we lost about 5 or 6 years ago and until he does we are on a cycle of quick fixes and I am not sure if we get lucky with one of them whether that will be doing the club any favours in the long term.

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Post by: Atomic on May 06, 2019, 11:53:23 AM
It is interesting that Clarke's name has cropped up and I am not championing his cause at all but the end of his first season in charge might have been the last point in time there was a real feel good atmosphere about the club.

It might be argued that Peace and by extension Jenkins have learned the entirely wrong lessons from the experience of the last decade. The quick fix appointment worked until it failed and once it fails it tends continue failing until you go back to basics learn patience and start a long term recovery.

The last well organised mid season change of coach we had was when Di Matteo was replaced by Hodgson. At the time Ashworth identified the problem and had not one but two potential candidates in Hodgson or Hughton who were not only capable of fixing the short term problem but also working with the squad and the backroom set up to establish the club in the Premier League.

The Clarke appointment made sense given the by now well oiled machine behind the scenes that was being run by Ashworth we needed a coach not a manager it worked until Ashworth left. The biggest misstep was not replacing Ashworth with a top notch TD. Peace had to know how pivotal the role was after all he pioneered it.

We fire Clarke who by now had started to trip over his own aspirations of being an old style gaffer. We make a bizarre quick fix appointment of Pepe Mel who was absolutely not a quick fix and whose default style of play was completely at odds with a squad that was set up to defend deep and counter attack. Unsurprisingly this appointment failed while we squeaked home to stay in the league an outcome we might have achieved under Clarke. Hence we went through a hiring and firing cycle without fixing the problem or even properly working out what the problem was.

Enter Irvine. Now bear with me but there was a logic here. First of all Irvine was a pragmatic coach in the Clarke mold secondly he had a deserved reputation for helping young talent progress into the first team at Everton. Unfortunately the logic was flawed in so much as it overlooked the fact that Irvine's last gig as Head Coach had gone badly and unlike Clarke he wouldn't have the benefit of a well oiled backroom machine which by now had lost key members of staff and was being slowly degraded by poor appointments.

By the time Pulis arrived we are deep into a cycle of fixing the last bad hire, we are simply trying to survive as a Premier League outfit long enough for Peace to sell up. All pretence of long term planning goes out of the window the last traces of the Ashworth model are jetisoned. Works to a point when the sheer grind Pulisball is destroying the club.

We have all new management but it is old school. It is entirely reactive there is no long term vision there is no proper infrastucrure or know how that isn't under the completely under the malign influence of Pulis. We fire Pulis and then make an appointment that is so gobsmackingly bad in Pardew that it costs everyone associated with it their job.

Jenkins returns fires Pardew maybe too late or maybe too early and puts Darren Moore in charge. This works to a point  we get a bounce there is a feel good factor only someone with an emotional connection to the club and it's fans can generate. However we don't fix any of the long term problems we don't appoint a TD we lose ourselves in the strange temporary appointment of a relatively obscure Italian consultant, we leave a rookie coach largely unsupported through a key summer and indulge his desire to appoint Graham Jones which with the advatnage of hindsight (I was delighted when appointed him) might not have been the wisest move.

We have made mistakes and over promoting Moore on a wave of rare feelgood emotion might have been the last in a long line but we now compound it by firing him without a clear plan although it is not the firing that angers many fans it is the absence of a sucessor. Like the club we have become addicted to the quick fix the desire for the wizzard with a wand to fix the all the problems well there isn't a wizzard there are no quick fixes sorry folks we have to strip this down to basics rebuild and that might take time.

However we won't start the process until Jenkins works out that the only way forward is to reboot back to a model that we lost about 5 or 6 years ago and until he does we are on a cycle of quick fixes and I am not sure if we get lucky with one of them whether that will be doing the club any favours in the long term.


Brilliant post.

We need a long term strategy on and off the field. The squad will need a huge over-haul in the summer so now is the best time to put the first building blocks into place.

On the field we need a vision of how we are going to play. This season has seen us change the way we play three or four times. That's no good, we need an identity, a way of playing and we need to bring players in who fit the way we play and we need to play that way right down through the various youth levels as well.

Next managerial (head coach) appointment is massively important. We can't afford to mess it up.
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Post by: liverbaggie on May 06, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
Get Dan the l'oreal man back,pay him what he wants,because he's worth it.
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Post by: frazzle on May 06, 2019, 12:24:49 PM

Brilliant post.

We need a long term strategy on and off the field. The squad will need a huge over-haul in the summer so now is the best time to put the first building blocks into place.

On the field we need a vision of how we are going to play. This season has seen us change the way we play three or four times. That's no good, we need an identity, a way of playing and we need to bring players in who fit the way we play and we need to play that way right down through the various youth levels as well.

Next managerial (head coach) appointment is massively important. We can't afford to mess it up.

Great post by Standaman and to achieve your vision atomic, I think an appointment of someone like Potter, with a dose of patience, is where I would like the club to go.
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Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2019, 01:09:54 PM

Brilliant post.

We need a long term strategy on and off the field. The squad will need a huge over-haul in the summer so now is the best time to put the first building blocks into place.

On the field we need a vision of how we are going to play. This season has seen us change the way we play three or four times. That's no good, we need an identity, a way of playing and we need to bring players in who fit the way we play and we need to play that way right down through the various youth levels as well.

Next managerial (head coach) appointment is massively important. We can't afford to mess it up.

Thank you. Agree it has to be a long term approach. Yet if it isn't it really doesn't matter who the next fall guy is. If we are going to fire them after 30 or so games because we aren't getting promoted this time next year we will be back exactly at this point.

The club and fans have accept the possibility that we have a truly horrible transition season with a new coach who is trying to bring younger players through who in some cases won't be quite ready while working on getting their blueprint embedded into a club which has lost it's way. If the club is prepared to invest that level of commitment in a new Head Coach then fine spend the money but otherwise don't bother.

At this point I don't believe the club is looking for anything other than a quick fix. Would be delighted if I were proved wrong but we will only find that out when we hit our next rough patch.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2019, 01:29:58 PM
It is interesting that Clarke's name has cropped up and I am not championing his cause at all but the end of his first season in charge might have been the last point in time there was a real feel good atmosphere about the club.

It might be argued that Peace and by extension Jenkins have learned the entirely wrong lessons from the experience of the last decade. The quick fix appointment worked until it failed and once it fails it tends continue failing until you go back to basics learn patience and start a long term recovery.

The last well organised mid season change of coach we had was when Di Matteo was replaced by Hodgson. At the time Ashworth identified the problem and had not one but two potential candidates in Hodgson or Hughton who were not only capable of fixing the short term problem but also working with the squad and the backroom set up to establish the club in the Premier League.

The Clarke appointment made sense given the by now well oiled machine behind the scenes that was being run by Ashworth we needed a coach not a manager it worked until Ashworth left. The biggest misstep was not replacing Ashworth with a top notch TD. Peace had to know how pivotal the role was after all he pioneered it.

We fire Clarke who by now had started to trip over his own aspirations of being an old style gaffer. We make a bizarre quick fix appointment of Pepe Mel who was absolutely not a quick fix and whose default style of play was completely at odds with a squad that was set up to defend deep and counter attack. Unsurprisingly this appointment failed while we squeaked home to stay in the league an outcome we might have achieved under Clarke. Hence we went through a hiring and firing cycle without fixing the problem or even properly working out what the problem was.

Enter Irvine. Now bear with me but there was a logic here. First of all Irvine was a pragmatic coach in the Clarke mold secondly he had a deserved reputation for helping young talent progress into the first team at Everton. Unfortunately the logic was flawed in so much as it overlooked the fact that Irvine's last gig as Head Coach had gone badly and unlike Clarke he wouldn't have the benefit of a well oiled backroom machine which by now had lost key members of staff and was being slowly degraded by poor appointments.

By the time Pulis arrived we are deep into a cycle of fixing the last bad hire, we are simply trying to survive as a Premier League outfit long enough for Peace to sell up. All pretence of long term planning goes out of the window the last traces of the Ashworth model are jetisoned. Works to a point when the sheer grind Pulisball is destroying the club.

We have all new management but it is old school. It is entirely reactive there is no long term vision there is no proper infrastucrure or know how that isn't under the completely under the malign influence of Pulis. We fire Pulis and then make an appointment that is so gobsmackingly bad in Pardew that it costs everyone associated with it their job.

Jenkins returns fires Pardew maybe too late or maybe too early and puts Darren Moore in charge. This works to a point  we get a bounce there is a feel good factor only someone with an emotional connection to the club and it's fans can generate. However we don't fix any of the long term problems we don't appoint a TD we lose ourselves in the strange temporary appointment of a relatively obscure Italian consultant, we leave a rookie coach largely unsupported through a key summer and indulge his desire to appoint Graham Jones which with the advatnage of hindsight (I was delighted when appointed him) might not have been the wisest move.

We have made mistakes and over promoting Moore on a wave of rare feelgood emotion might have been the last in a long line but we now compound it by firing him without a clear plan although it is not the firing that angers many fans it is the absence of a sucessor. Like the club we have become addicted to the quick fix the desire for the wizzard with a wand to fix the all the problems well there isn't a wizzard there are no quick fixes sorry folks we have to strip this down to basics rebuild and that might take time.

However we won't start the process until Jenkins works out that the only way forward is to reboot back to a model that we lost about 5 or 6 years ago and until he does we are on a cycle of quick fixes and I am not sure if we get lucky with one of them whether that will be doing the club any favours in the long term.


Stan,

Your argument is really sound, but it assumes that Jenkins is the problem.

Jeremy Peace didn't have a boss, Jenkins has, IMO, there has to be better understanding in that quarter before we can move forward.
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Post by: the other AJ on May 06, 2019, 01:32:06 PM
Standaman - you really ought to be setting up your own consultancy and offering your services to the board. Everything you write makes perfect sense with consistent applied logic which clearly resonates with us fans.
Sadly Albion continue to demonstrate that business planning, common sense and a clear long term strategic goal is sadly lacking and I truly believe we are at a crossroads and facing the wrong turn ....
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Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2019, 03:37:43 PM

Stan,

Your argument is really sound, but it assumes that Jenkins is the problem.

Jeremy Peace didn't have a boss, Jenkins has, IMO, there has to be better understanding in that quarter before we can move forward.

Things started to unravel under Peace while Jenkins was at the club and they got away with the appointment of Pulis because it kept the show on the road so the quick fix routine was well established before Peace and Jenkins left.

The problem is Lai was sold the club under Pulis who was seen as a guarantee against relegation. Quite what Lai now believes and whether he entirely trusts Jenkins is a matter for debate. The Italian consultant did not seem to be Jenkin's idea so it may have been imposed from China.

Plainly Lai will want promotion as quick as possible but if we run through a series of quick fix appointments then before we know it we will be down among the deadmen and promotion will be a distant dream we need to get things right. Jenkins has to ride out the next storm and not lose the coach.   
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Post by: Adder on May 06, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
We have to hope that the example of Norwich may open some eyes. Appointed a progressive manager who despite a couple of very wobbly periods has been given time to implement the style and get the results. Sold 2 or 3 of their best players, introduced some youngsters plus a couple of astute signings and they've got their reward.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2019, 05:26:26 PM
I see the logic in the “short-termism ” theory, but a common denominator, in the main, has always been the cheap option, which is a false economy and never proves to be the cheap option in the long term.

That’s why I consider that we should be prepared to pay a salary commensurate with the CV and quality of a proven manager who would be a good fit for the club. And there in lies the conundrum for the board, as they haven’t the faintest idea about appointing a Head Coach, unlike some of our peer clubs.

Jokanovic, IMHO, is the man
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 06, 2019, 05:38:40 PM
I see the logic in the “short-termism ” theory, but a common denominator, in the main, has always been the cheap option, which is a false economy and never proves to be the cheap option in the long term.

That’s why I consider that we should be prepared to pay a salary commensurate with the CV and quality of a proven manager who would be a good fit for the club. And there in lies the conundrum for the board, as they haven’t the faintest idea about appointing a Head Coach, unlike some of our peer clubs.

Jokanovic, IMHO, is the man

The cheapest is not always the best, but the best can work out to be the cheapest in the long term.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2019, 06:00:16 PM
I see the logic in the “short-termism ” theory, but a common denominator, in the main, has always been the cheap option, which is a false economy and never proves to be the cheap option in the long term.

That’s why I consider that we should be prepared to pay a salary commensurate with the CV and quality of a proven manager who would be a good fit for the club. And there in lies the conundrum for the board, as they haven’t the faintest idea about appointing a Head Coach, unlike some of our peer clubs.

Jokanovic, IMHO, is the man

I doubt that
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke

were cheap options.

Alan Irvine was recommended by Terry Burton who in turn was recommended by Roy Hodgson.

I suspect Chelsea have got through almost as many managers as we have, & none of them were cheap options.

The common denominator in the last few years, as others have alluded to, is we lack vision. Without vision, it's difficult to define what you want from a head coach.
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Post by: Brummie Road on May 06, 2019, 06:44:55 PM
Great post by Stan, and the other recent ones on this thread.

Totally agree about the quick fix narratives (most of which are doomed to failure) but another concern is the mindset of what appears to be a growing number of Albion fans.

I know this site is very well moderated, hence attracting some great views, but while acknowledging that other forms of social media (the Albion Facebook sites in particular) can give a voice to "those who shout loudest" types, the overriding air of extreme short term thinking and impatience seems to be growing on a daily basis.

The frustration being that a number of the young lads in our squad and on the fringes of it, are showing real promise and should be given a chance but the concern being that an uncomfortably large number of supporters appear to be unwilling to buy into this concept and allow any Head Coach a reasonable amount of time and not throw their toys out of the pram every time a result goes against us.

I know it's not just Albion fans but modern football supporters in general, not helped by the 24/7 media coverage where a couple of defeats becomes a crisis.

All of course compounded by the fact that Mr Lai's long term (or short or medium term) ambitions for the club remain unclear.   

Like many supporters to whom the club is a massive part of our lives, I've really no idea which direction we are heading?
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Post by: paulosull on May 06, 2019, 06:45:23 PM
Our problem is that we have an owner who appears to be disinterested in the football club and has appointed Jenkins who's prime job was to cut costs so the cheapest option more than likely will win the day.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2019, 07:07:11 PM
Our problem is that we have an owner who appears to be disinterested in the football club and has appointed Jenkins who's prime job was to cut costs so the cheapest option more than likely will win the day.

In the Premier League, our income from media rights would be around £90 million, in the Football League, this season, we've probably managed £2.5 million max, & you think Jenkins prime job was to cut costs?
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 06, 2019, 07:27:15 PM
In the Premier League, our income from media rights would be around £90 million, in the Football League, this season, we've probably managed £2.5 million max, & you think Jenkins prime job was to cut costs?

This season we will have received £42m as the parachute payment, plus the same amount paid to each Championship club regardless of finishing position (I believe just under £6m), plus between £100k-£140k for each live televised home game, plus £10,000 for each live televised away game.  It’s somewhere in the region of £50m, and next season it will be around £8m less as our parachute payment is reduced to £34m.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2019, 07:58:54 PM
The cheapest is not always the best, but the best can work out to be the cheapest in the long term.

When in the Peace era to present did that work for us?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 06, 2019, 08:00:06 PM
This season we will have received £42m as the parachute payment, plus the same amount paid to each Championship club regardless of finishing position (I believe just under £6m), plus between £100k-£140k for each live televised home game, plus £10,000 for each live televised away game.  It’s somewhere in the region of £50m, and next season it will be around £8m less as our parachute payment is reduced to £34m.

Yes, I appreciate there are other sources of income, but I am using the income from media rights as an example, in trying to demonstrate that Mark Jenkins, as CEO, has a responsibility to take risk & reward decisions & not just cut costs.
It would be madness to make a decision on the appointment of the next manager based purely on cost, when the rewards from media income are so high in the Premier League.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 06, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
I doubt that
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke

were cheap options.

Alan Irvine was recommended by Terry Burton who in turn was recommended by Roy Hodgson.

I suspect Chelsea have got through almost as many managers as we have, & none of them were cheap options.

The common denominator in the last few years, as others have alluded to, is we lack vision. Without vision, it's difficult to define what you want from a head coach.

I would suggest that Peace had vision, but not the finial clout to follow it through. Regardless of fans opinions of him, because of his vision we made it to the Premier League that will be his football legacy.

And in my post, I did say “in the main”. I don’t know how much each of those coaches you mention cost us cost us, but I suspect Roy and Steve were cheaper options as possible were the majority of the 11 managers we’ve had since 2000
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Post by: Standaman on May 06, 2019, 10:17:33 PM
Let's look at the cheap options.

Hodgson at the time was reportedly earning "considerably more than any of his predecessors" now one needs to be careful about making comparisons with the recent past such is the nature of English football wage inflation but in relative terms he could not have been described as cheap.

Let's look at dumb and dumber aka as Pulis and Pardew. We were paying them £40k a week a piece plus we paid at least some of their contracts off when fired them, anyway you want to cut it neither were remotely cheap. To put it into context they would have probably in the top 30 best paid coaches in European football, earning more than their Premier League counterparts including Howe Dyche Wagner and  Hughton among others.

In a broader context taking that salary out of the completely bonkers world of English football where too little talent attracts far too much money few if any coaches earned anywhere near that outside the other top 5 leagues and none of those that did were at clubs that didn't have European football. To really highlight the absurdity Sari in his last year at Napoli earned considerably less than £2m.

Finally do you think that any European club would hire either Pulis or Pardew as coach at even less than a quarter of what they were paid at the Albion? Most wouldn't employ them as a match day steward for free.

They were quick fixes to paper over the cracks but the one thing they weren't were cheap and in the long run they have cost us a lot more than some relatively "cheap options" might have done.


My key point being that it makes no difference who the coach is if we are just going to throw them into the same broken environment then we can expect pretty much the same outcome.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 07, 2019, 06:47:53 AM
Let's look at the cheap options.

Hodgson at the time was reportedly earning "considerably more than any of his predecessors" now one needs to be careful about making comparisons with the recent past such is the nature of English football wage inflation but in relative terms he could not have been described as cheap.

Let's look at dumb and dumber aka as Pulis and Pardew. We were paying them £40k a week a piece plus we paid at least some of their contracts off when fired them, anyway you want to cut it neither were remotely cheap. To put it into context they would have probably in the top 30 best paid coaches in European football, earning more than their Premier League counterparts including Howe Dyche Wagner and  Hughton among others.

In a broader context taking that salary out of the completely bonkers world of English football where too little talent attracts far too much money few if any coaches earned anywhere near that outside the other top 5 leagues and none of those that did were at clubs that didn't have European football. To really highlight the absurdity Sari in his last year at Napoli earned considerably less than £2m.

Finally do you think that any European club would hire either Pulis or Pardew as coach at even less than a quarter of what they were paid at the Albion? Most wouldn't employ them as a match day steward for free.

They were quick fixes to paper over the cracks but the one thing they weren't were cheap and in the long run they have cost us a lot more than some relatively "cheap options" might have done.


My key point being that it makes no difference who the coach is if we are just going to throw them into the same broken environment then we can expect pretty much the same outcome.

I agree, we need to go back to basics.
Should we be lucky enough to get promoted this season, we will be canon fodder for most teams. But at the same time the cash injection is needed.
As you say we are broken and need fixing.
We need a Director of Football who is as astute and focused as Ashworth was, and a Chairman who knows how to get £2 value for the £1 he spends and is sat on this project day in day out.
The scattergun approach at recruitment of players and managers will only see us go backwards.
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Post by: StourBaggie on May 07, 2019, 03:07:04 PM
Let's look at the cheap options.

Hodgson at the time was reportedly earning "considerably more than any of his predecessors" now one needs to be careful about making comparisons with the recent past such is the nature of English football wage inflation but in relative terms he could not have been described as cheap.

Let's look at dumb and dumber aka as Pulis and Pardew. We were paying them £40k a week a piece plus we paid at least some of their contracts off when fired them, anyway you want to cut it neither were remotely cheap. To put it into context they would have probably in the top 30 best paid coaches in European football, earning more than their Premier League counterparts including Howe Dyche Wagner and  Hughton among others.

In a broader context taking that salary out of the completely bonkers world of English football where too little talent attracts far too much money few if any coaches earned anywhere near that outside the other top 5 leagues and none of those that did were at clubs that didn't have European football. To really highlight the absurdity Sari in his last year at Napoli earned considerably less than £2m.

Finally do you think that any European club would hire either Pulis or Pardew as coach at even less than a quarter of what they were paid at the Albion? Most wouldn't employ them as a match day steward for free.

They were quick fixes to paper over the cracks but the one thing they weren't were cheap and in the long run they have cost us a lot more than some relatively "cheap options" might have done.


My key point being that it makes no difference who the coach is if we are just going to throw them into the same broken environment then we can expect pretty much the same outcome.

I think this goes to show how, just like British players, British managers (along with foreign managers established over here) are hugely overpriced for the returns you get from them.

Whilst I appreciate our board are unlikely to have the collective brains to realise there are 196 countries we could recruit from other than our own, it does seem to be that our best chance of getting value for money would be hiring a young, ambitious manager from overseas who wants to prove himself in the English league.

Additionally, I would imagine we are a more attractive proposition to these types of managers/coaches than we are to similar managers already over here, given our current off-field issues. An unknown guy from a foreign league has a lot less to lose in taking the Albion job than someone already doing a decent job over here jumping ship to join us.

That said, I fully expect us to make a hash of this appointment, just like we have of the last 5 or 6. It would just be nice for us to show a bit of bottle and take a chance on someone who isn't one of the same old names.

One final note: I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, but in our current set up (i.e. the one we've had since Di Matteo came in) is the DoF more important than the head coach? When Dan Ashworth was here I always saw him more as our "manager" than anybody else, with the idea being that he was largely in charge of player recruitment and was there to see continuity when the coaches were changed. I don't really see the (largely anonymous) Luke Dowling as being this guy so do we need a change at DoF as well as a new coach or to hire a more traditional manager?
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Post by: NJS on May 07, 2019, 04:06:37 PM
Back then, it seemed to me that it was Peace that moved us to the DoF / head coach management model and who also identified Ashworth as Technical Director material.  Hodgson came because he was smarting over his treatment at Liverpool and wanted to prove a point.   I don't think similar radical changes can be achieved by an absentee owner who is just interested in the money he can harvest.  In this situation,can any DoF make a difference?
It remains to be seen whether Jenkins has any vision or would be allowed to express it - the mentality in China is autocratic. 

I wanted Potter before Big Dave was selected because a) he had managerial experience, b) he was a continental coach and c)  he might feel some loyalty to his old club.  Would we have got promotion with Potter?  Probably not, but I think he would have introduced younger players and would not have stood in the coach's area in a catatonic trance as the legs of our dad's army tired and games slipped away from us.

It might be a hard few years for Albion until its value plummets to a point where Lai sells up.   I sincerely hope not.
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Post by: colinmax on May 07, 2019, 05:10:01 PM
Who is going to decide our retained list,Shan ,the newly appointed manager or the board?
I don't know who is out of contract but these are my views if possible.
Robson Kanau not worth keeping apart from his unprofessional bookings.
Morrison in his roughly 10 years he has missed virtually 3 whole seasons with long standing problems
Harper only worth keeping to avoid him going on a free transfer after all the years spent developing him
unless he can at least achieve his performance against Rotherham
Brunt only as back squad player
I think we can do better than Holgate and Adebayor and they should be sent
back
Mears and Hoolihan presumably will have their contracts ended.
Murphy can be quite good or very poor so would look for similar player
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Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 05:43:01 PM
Whatever the outcome,  it's going to be a long harsh summer for us supporters.
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Post by: Adder on May 07, 2019, 06:36:47 PM
Who is going to decide our retained list,Shan ,the newly appointed manager or the board?
I don't know who is out of contract but these are my views if possible.
Robson Kanau not worth keeping apart from his unprofessional bookings.
Morrison in his roughly 10 years he has missed virtually 3 whole seasons with long standing problems
Harper only worth keeping to avoid him going on a free transfer after all the years spent developing him
unless he can at least achieve his performance against Rotherham
Brunt only as back squad player
I think we can do better than Holgate and Adebayor and they should be sent
back
Mears and Hoolihan presumably will have their contracts ended.
Murphy can be quite good or very poor so would look for similar player
I would assume that Dowling would have a big say, along with Shan - maybe Mark Harrison, academy manager would have some sort of say on younger players.
I guess we are about to find out whether Morrison's 2 year deal was appearance related. If it was, he's unlikely to have made enough appearances to bag the 2nd year....but more likely, inexplicably it was a straight two year deal and he's around for next year also.
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Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 07:54:36 PM
I would assume it is a straight 2 year deal or there would have been some mention of it somewhere.

We gave Pulis a contract extension when if should have just been left to run out so I fear the worst.
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Post by: paulosull on May 08, 2019, 12:40:37 AM
Player's to move on Myhill, Mears, Hoolahan, HRK, Brunt Morrison pay him off. Sell Dawson, Livermore, Rodriguez and send back all the loan players to parent clubs. If Newcastle agree fee for Rondon then Gayle should come here as part exchange and start to bring through are academy players.
Bring in a director of football who is young and hungry to succeed and coach who has a track record with developing young talent.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2019, 01:25:35 AM
Player's to move on Myhill, Mears, Hoolahan, HRK, Brunt Morrison pay him off. Sell Dawson, Livermore, Rodriguez and send back all the loan players to parent clubs. If Newcastle agree fee for Rondon then Gayle should come here as part exchange and start to bring through are academy players.
Bring in a director of football who is young and hungry to succeed and coach who has a track record with developing young talent.


That's 15 players. That sort of turnover just won't happen.


There is no chance Morrison won't activate the 2nd year of his deal and there is no chance the club won't offer Brunt an extension. The 3 senior players you mention will only be sold if the price is right, in an ideal world they'd stay and become squad players.
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Post by: chipperclark on May 08, 2019, 06:32:06 AM
 ;D If we stay down Shakey/Appy and or McInnes combination? Anybody think this could be a good combo with Shan as Coach??

If we go up ?? Open to suggestions ? Prefer a foreign manager,maybe working with Shan?
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Post by: tuamigos on May 08, 2019, 10:35:08 AM
;D If we stay down Shakey/Appy and or McInnes combination? Anybody think this could be a good combo with Shan as Coach??

If we go up ?? Open to suggestions ? Prefer a foreign manager,maybe working with Shan?

Please no more old players. We bought Appy and Reid back to assist Shan. That worked amazingly well last week end didn't it?
If McInnes came back the fans would give him a little more rope than they would if he was a complete stranger, and its always destined to end in tears.

If we go up I personally would look at Pearson or Monk, or even Mowbray if we buy British, if we had to go for a foreign manager then Jokanovic if he's interested, Slavan Bilic if he is available
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Post by: paulosull on May 08, 2019, 10:47:34 AM

That's 15 players. That sort of turnover just won't happen.


There is no chance Morrison won't activate the 2nd year of his deal and there is no chance the club won't offer Brunt an extension. The 3 senior players you mention will only be sold if the price is right, in an ideal world they'd stay and become squad players.
make it 16 forgot Bartley
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 08, 2019, 11:09:09 AM
Celtic looking at Paderborn coach Steffan Baumgart. They are currently 2nd in the 2.Bundesliga and on track for a 2nd promotion in a row. Can’t see a real failure in his decade long career at only 47. Also has experience in having no money what so ever, from what I can see in two seasons he’s brought in nearly 30 players (including loans) for around £800,000 cost.

Might be worth a shout?
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Post by: phbaggies on May 08, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
Celtic looking at Paderborn coach Steffan Baumgart. They are currently 2nd in the 2.Bundesliga and on track for a 2nd promotion in a row. Can’t see a real failure in his decade long career at only 47. Also has experience in having no money what so ever, from what I can see in two seasons he’s brought in nearly 30 players (including loans) for around £800,000 cost.

Might be worth a shout?
Sounds a bit like the Cowley brothers career at Lincoln but they dont have the foreign name.....
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Post by: tuamigos on May 08, 2019, 11:54:51 AM
make it 16 forgot Bartley

he was right its still only 15
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Post by: Mikkyk on May 08, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
Sounds a bit like the Cowley brothers career at Lincoln but they dont have the foreign name.....

One tier below though, which makes a massive difference imo.
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Post by: timdon on May 08, 2019, 05:34:09 PM
One tier below though, which makes a massive difference imo.
You are overstating it in my opinion. It doesn't make a massive difference. Nearly all good coaches cut their teeth at smaller clubs and then work their way up the ladder once they gain some experience and confidence. It would be ridiculous to write off all the managers that haven't previously managed at our level or above. The trick is to find the right one and then back him over a 3 year period to rebuild the squad. The alternative is to appoint someone who already has experience at our level or higher, which is what we did with Pardew (which worked out horribly), Pulis (which worked out ok but his style of football was hated by most of us), and Hodgson (which worked out well, but he then left for greener pastures, as did Mowbray). Appointing Darren Moore went from one extreme to the other as he had virtually no experience, but I'm sure there is a happy medium, a youngish coach who has had success at a smaller club and is now ready to move up to the next level, who brings passion and pride, as well as some experience.  For me it comes down to the senior management team to find the right fit, something they have been woeful at in recent years so I don't have much confidence on that score, but I live in hope.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 08, 2019, 11:15:25 PM
The whole thing needs restructuring.

They need to look into the recruitment side especially, as how can Swansea go out and recruit youngsters from other clubs like mcburnie and James and we ended up with Allen and Worrall.

We are even behind Brentford for innovation when it comes to recruitment and I hope the boss brings a totally new way of thinking.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 09, 2019, 08:54:36 AM
The whole thing needs restructuring.

They need to look into the recruitment side especially, as how can Swansea go out and recruit youngsters from other clubs like mcburnie and James and we ended up with Allen and Worrall.

We are even behind Brentford for innovation when it comes to recruitment and I hope the boss brings a totally new way of thinking.

For me, the club need to be looking at models like Brentford and looking to emulate it. It doesn't matter who is in charge at Brentford, they play good football and have an identity about them. The club is set up that way.

We have none of that.
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Post by: MarkW on May 09, 2019, 09:08:42 AM
For me, the club need to be looking at models like Brentford and looking to emulate it. It doesn't matter who is in charge at Brentford, they play good football and have an identity about them. The club is set up that way.

We have none of that.

We used to. In fact, we were one of the pioneers of that back under Ashworth.

Then Pulis came along and dismantled it
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Post by: kie the baggie on May 09, 2019, 09:30:44 AM
We used to. In fact, we were one of the pioneers of that back under Ashworth.

Then Pulis came along and dismantled it
Think the wheels came off a while before pulis came in, really as soon as ashworth left its been a shambles
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Post by: darbolina on May 09, 2019, 09:52:11 AM
Before Pulis we had Irvine and the DoF structure was still in place. Irvine was the wrong man entirely but Peace appointed Pulis (against his previous strategy) simply because he wanted 'guaranteed' premier league to sell. The real issue for me was giving Pulis ever more control of transfers, scouting etc....which has now left us with a huge rebuild from top to bottom - which we put off this year.....again.

I'm pretty sure we'll try to get back to the old model and I'm also pretty sure the coaching team we currently have will be here next season unless we get absolutely battered by Villa
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 09, 2019, 09:52:46 AM
Its because the wheels were coming off that we needed a Pulis, get the next appointment wrong and we'll be back there again.
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Post by: NJS on May 09, 2019, 10:19:46 AM
The wheels started to come loose when Peace replaced Ashworth with Richard Garlick who, being a lawyer,  knew about contracts but, as it transpired, the square root of FA about football skill.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 09, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
Can't help but think many underestimate the damage caused by JP taking his eye off the ball. The tenures of David McDonough and Terry Burton were largely catastrophic. Absolute bloody shambles the pair of 'em. Without them there'd have been no Pulis etc. Cause and effect.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on May 09, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
The wheels started to come loose when Peace replaced Ashworth with Richard Garlick who, being a lawyer,  knew about contracts but, as it transpired, the square root of FA about football skill.

Very true, the failure to adequately replace Dan Ashworth was the start of the rot, the failure to progress and ultimately in relegation.

The next appointment is vital or we will stagnate for a decade or longer.
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 09, 2019, 08:43:30 PM
Wagner named new Manager of Schalke.
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 09, 2019, 09:07:05 PM
Agree with all the comments about Dan Ashworth not been adequately replaced. As for next manager, I really don’t know. I have been watching the documentary about Citeh on Amazon, and whilst obviously Pep isn’t available for his dream job yet, I just want us to get an intelligent manager, who has a philosophy of how he wants to play, but who can see what is happening on the pitch and adapt to counter any problems.
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 09, 2019, 09:37:16 PM
Listened to Mark Warburton today , very sensible and very clear on what and how to go about the job. Kind of clarity of thought that is exactly what is needed at The Hawthorns
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Post by: tuamigos on May 10, 2019, 06:26:16 PM
Amazing that the season finished last week end and Walsall appoint a manager in less than a week.
So the new man takes over with the maximum amount of time to execute his plans before the start of the new season
If only we operated that quickly.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 10, 2019, 06:51:49 PM
Amazing that the season finished last week end and Walsall appoint a manager in less than a week.
So the new man takes over with the maximum amount of time to execute his plans before the start of the new season
If only we operated that quickly.

Well, Walsall do know which division they are in next season, each but helps re clarity
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Post by: BalisPen on May 10, 2019, 08:05:36 PM
Listened to Mark Warburton today , very sensible and very clear on what and how to go about the job. Kind of clarity of thought that is exa ctly what is needed at The Hawthorns

Is that the same Warburton who stormed out of Brentford because he didn't want the club to adopt the moneyball system?

Just another dinosaur.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 10, 2019, 08:12:47 PM
Amazing that the season finished last week end and Walsall appoint a manager in less than a week.
So the new man takes over with the maximum amount of time to execute his plans before the start of the new season
If only we operated that quickly.
I would hope that if we capitulate over the next few days, that we move very quickly too. It's the hope that kills you
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 10, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
Is that the same Warburton who stormed out of Brentford because he didn't want the club to adopt the moneyball system?

Just another dinosaur.
Maybe maybe not but he certainly knows his remit and the club have made an appointment whilst we are doing our best Nero impersonations !!
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Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 06:27:16 AM
I would hope that if we capitulate over the next few days, that we move very quickly too. It's the hope that kills you

 :D you just know that that wont happen
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 11, 2019, 06:55:36 PM
Not Appleton, pleeeeeeeeeease
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Post by: BB74 on May 11, 2019, 07:10:19 PM
Step forward Derek McInnes*

*if we stay down
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Post by: Aztech on May 11, 2019, 07:13:29 PM
Step forward Derek McInnes*

*if we stay down

I certainly hope not.

Should have been Graham Potter last summer.
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 11, 2019, 07:17:52 PM
Irrespective of what happens next Tuesday, we need to change direction. If that means a few seasons in the championship then so be it - we need a clear out and/or a complete change of policy - for me that means a new start, no Appleton or anybody else with recent roots at the club - just my opinion
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Post by: mr multivac on May 11, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
Agree need to start again need to get someone in with no Albion connections who can sort out the wheat from the chaff
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Post by: bosh on May 11, 2019, 07:32:42 PM
Agree need to start again need to get someone in with no Albion connections who can sort out the wheat from the chaff

Don't want you be too gloomy but I can't see much wheat but a hell of a lot of chaff.
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Post by: Blowee on May 11, 2019, 08:12:47 PM
Irrespective of what happens next Tuesday, we need to change direction. If that means a few seasons in the championship then so be it - we need a clear out and/or a complete change of policy - for me that means a new start, no Appleton or anybody else with recent roots at the club - just my opinion
I agree to an extent BUT would really like to see Graham potter back at the club with a few seasons to develop a squad.
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Post by: BB74 on May 11, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
I agree to an extent BUT would really like to see Graham potter back at the club with a few seasons to develop a squad.

And then what? We get our best players cherry picked and Potter goes onto bigger and better things. I don’t buy this clean slate, building, developing etc football is a short term game like politics. People in charge will always do what benefits in the present as they’ll have no vested interest in the future.
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Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 11:03:14 PM
And then what? We get our best players cherry picked and Potter goes onto bigger and better things. I don’t buy this clean slate, building, developing etc football is a short term game like politics. People in charge will always do what benefits in the present as they’ll have no vested interest in the future.
if this owner is here for the forcible future and his policy is that the football club has to be self funded then there has to be major changes in the way the football side of business is run with
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Post by: baggie38 on May 11, 2019, 11:09:35 PM
I'd go for Gary Monk personally. Done a good job everywhere he has been and becomes a firm fan favourite.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
I'd go for Gary Monk personally. Done a good job everywhere he has been and becomes a firm fan favourite.

Boro fans will disagree
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 12, 2019, 12:20:37 PM
Boro fans will disagree
They would take him now 😀
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Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2019, 12:21:40 PM
They would take him now 😀

They would take just about anyone now lol.
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Post by: Dan on May 12, 2019, 01:02:24 PM
The club just needs to pick someone who has some sort of discernable style beyond having every player as deep as posssible and hoofing it forward as we've reverted back to under Shan. Given our limited funds they'll also need to be comfortable using youth players as there's no point loading the squad up with filler players when that money could be much better used elsewhere.

So anyone with some sort of track record of implementing a style and working to a budget with youth is what we need. Then to back them - unless things are truly poisonous like Pardew then sacking a manager like we did Moore will just reset everything again. Some level of trust needs to be put into the manager.

Graham Potter suits relatively well, but it doesn't even need to be that style of manager. Just someone who can play relatively modern football.

Unfortunately our managerial appointments suggest this will not be the case. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we dawdle around for another 6 weeks after the end of the season before deciding to appoint Shan permanently.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 12, 2019, 01:56:33 PM
We will have an impossible task on our hands.
He has to get our team working straight from the off.
Also the same person we have to unearth is a manager who can think during a game and have replacement plans during it.
He must also be prepared to work for a pittance and crumbs from his master's table (Jenkins).
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2019, 04:48:02 PM
If we don't get promoted, I can't see beyond the team we have at the moment, with Apppleton in the Head Coach position.
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Post by: Dexy on May 12, 2019, 05:20:22 PM
If we don't get promoted, I can't see beyond the team we have at the moment, with Apppleton in the Head Coach position.
Nailed on , cheap option and one of few people mad enough to work under Lai and Jenkins having done it at Blackpool and Blackburn in slightly worse conditions.
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Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2019, 06:02:00 PM
This is why he was brought in. "If weon't go up the jobs yours"

Cheap, easy, requires little effort from the board and he's ex-Albion which gives him more leeway to be rubbish with the fans thus not aim abuse at the board.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 12, 2019, 06:03:17 PM
Nailed on , cheap option and one of few people mad enough to work under Lai and Jenkins having done it at Blackpool and Blackburn in slightly worse conditions.
Not the best CV
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2019, 07:05:38 PM
Nailed on , cheap option and one of few people mad enough to work under Lai and Jenkins having done it at Blackpool and Blackburn in slightly worse conditions.

Every appointment carries a risk, Pardew wasn't a cheap option, but the appointment was a disaster.

If we fail on Tuesday, I believe we'll go into a evolution & development policy, led by Michael Appleton.

Just can't see the revolutionary clear-out, suggested by some. It will just too expensive, & even then, there's no guarantee of success.
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Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
If we don't get promoted, I can't see beyond the team we have at the moment, with Apppleton in the Head Coach position.

He's not made much of a positive impression yet !!!  Can't see why he would even be in the frame ?
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Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2019, 07:25:49 PM
Don't think that appy will get the job, like to see us go for Johnstone at Bristol City. Ticks all the box's imo, work under budget constraints and brings the younger plays through, still of play isn't to bad and he adapts in games.
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Post by: gerry m on May 12, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
I like Apps but not as Head Coach. The new head coach next season will tell us all we need to know about the Clubs ambitition!
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Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2019, 07:32:02 PM
Don't think that appy will get the job, like to see us go for Johnstone at Bristol City. Ticks all the box's imo, work under budget constraints and brings the younger plays through, still of play isn't to bad and he adapts in games.

Good call IF we are still in the Championship.
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Post by: baggie53 on May 12, 2019, 07:32:42 PM
I understand people wanting the likes of Monk and Potter, but looking from their viewpoint, why (apart from money) would particularly Potter leave a project he has already made some progress on, for a club with no direction, who are no more likely to be promoted next season than his present club
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Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
I think if we stay down it’s nailed on Appleton.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 10:42:36 PM
I think if we stay down it’s nailed on Appleton.


Criminal.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2019, 10:53:41 PM
I think if we stay down it’s nailed on Appleton.

I've actually heard a rumour that he has been told he has got it already should we stay down. Don't know how true it is mind.
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Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2019, 11:06:17 PM
Of course they have. They are sheisters. Can see it now:

" Sadly after a disappointing end to the season following poor performances by our 2 managers the board have no choice but to remove Shan as head coach.

We have now appointed Michael Appleton as our new head coach based on his track record in management, affinity with the club and experience of the current saying squad all of whom respect him". Yadda Yadda bull
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 11:58:30 PM
Colin. On the proviso he brings Etheridge with him.
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Post by: kie the baggie on May 13, 2019, 02:52:39 AM
seen Craig Shakespeare in Tamworth on Friday, so im going to lump some money on him, also the fact that Appleton was his assistant at Leicester, so makes sense, easy money watch
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 13, 2019, 08:42:18 AM
I've actually heard a rumour that he has been told he has got it already should we stay down. Don't know how true it is mind.

What an outstanding motivational move on our boards part, Appy will, for sure, be trying his utmost to ensure we are promoted.

I hope it’s just hear, say
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Post by: Albertbaggie on May 13, 2019, 09:39:25 AM
Chris Hughton anyone?
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2019, 09:41:27 AM
Hopefully not, as most people will still type Hughton every time they mention him which will become annoying, much like people always calling Chris Wood, Chris Woods.
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Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
Hopefully not, as most people will still type Hughton every time they mention him which will become annoying, much like people always calling Chris Wood, Chris Woods.

Nearly as annoying as people saying he's a young manager. He's 60!!!
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Post by: NathWBA on May 13, 2019, 09:57:07 AM
I’d be very happy with Hughton, hopefully the board do the right thing and appoint someone with adequate experience either way.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2019, 10:01:50 AM
Nearly as annoying as people saying he's a young manager. He's 60!!!

You envy those youthful looks though.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 13, 2019, 10:08:45 AM
With Chris Hughton being sacked by Brighton, I think he will now be the favourite. No compensation to pay, good experience, has got sides promoted from Championship before ( If we are still in the championship !! ).

Would be a good choice for me.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on May 13, 2019, 10:18:36 AM
Hughton would be a good appointment. I'd prefer Jokanovic though.
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Post by: royhan on May 13, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
Another vote in favour of Hughton. We went after him before apparently. He has all the right credentials for us.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2019, 10:41:20 AM
Would I prefer Neil to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.

I will operate the same logic...

Would I prefer Hughton to Shan? Yes.

Does the prospect of appointing him give me an erection? No.
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Post by: darbolina on May 13, 2019, 10:41:40 AM
Regarding Brighton, it seems Dan Ashworth is there now too.............interesting. Also interesting that Potter is the favourite to take over at Brighton.

In terms of a safer pair of hands, Hughton would be good for us. In terms of building a club for the long term with younger players - has he ever had to do that? He's always seemed to have gone into fairly established clubs and built on top with older/ established players?

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Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 10:54:13 AM
Move for Hughton now please before there's a queue of clubs waiting to bring him in.  I'm not sure who would *definitely* be a better option.
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 13, 2019, 10:54:26 AM
Probably a good bet to get us back up, but he doesn't seem to quite cut it in the Prem.  So ideal for us then  :D

Seriously though, wouldn't be a bad appointment - I seem to remember a sticking point last time he was in the frame for us was that he wanted to bring his whole backroom team.
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Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
I'd go for Hughton again wouldnt be terribly excited by him but better than Appleton etc
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Post by: 17GD on May 13, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
I'd rather have Hughton than almost any other option that's currently available. But if i was given freedom of choice I'd want Bilic.
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Post by: timdon on May 13, 2019, 11:18:51 AM
I'd go for Hughton again wouldnt be terribly excited by him but better than Appleton etc
Guides Brighton to a narrow avoidance of relegation. Never been better than steady as a manager. Uninspiring option. Yet people on here are already queuing up to support him as our next manager. We rightly moan about the club being unambitious. This would be the very definition of unambitious.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 11:21:32 AM
Guides Brighton to a narrow avoidance of relegation. Never been better than steady as a manager. Uninspiring option. Yet people on here are already queuing up to support him as our next manager. We rightly moan about the club being unambitious. This would be the very definition of unambitious.

Unambitious would be Allardyce or any of that crowd.

Hughton got Brighton promoted and has kept them up 2 seasons running.  We are currently rudderless with no style.  Who do you think would be a more ambitious option?   What's their track record?
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Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
Guides Brighton to a narrow avoidance of relegation. Never been better than steady as a manager. Uninspiring option. Yet people on here are already queuing up to support him as our next manager. We rightly moan about the club being unambitious. This would be the very definition of unambitious.

True and the worst thing is i doubt he would even come to us with Jenkins in charge.

I'd rather have Hughton than almost any other option that's currently available. But if i was given freedom of choice I'd want Bilic.

WHy has no one gone in for Bilic? Just wondering, i like him
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
would Hughton want to manage a club with such racist fans though?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
would Hughton want to manage a club with such racist fans though?

If Hughton came here, almost certainly JRod would go.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
Hopefully not, as most people will still type Hughton every time they mention him which will become annoying, much like people always calling Chris Wood, Chris Woods.

Unambitious would be Allardyce or any of that crowd.

Hughton got Brighton promoted and has kept them up 2 seasons running.  We are currently rudderless with no style.  Who do you think would be a more ambitious option?   What's their track record?

I'd go for Hughton again wouldnt be terribly excited by him but better than Appleton etc

Took less time than I though, truth be told.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 13, 2019, 11:49:57 AM
Please not Hughton, as someone else said hes the definition of an uninspiring appointment to me, and I personally dont feel he'd take us up/suit our squad. I'd sooner take Rowett, Johnson at BC, Jovanovic, even the Cowley brothers before Hughton. Theres some decent names out there, i just hope that weve done some digging for an YOUNG, UPCOMING MANAGER WITH SOME EXPERIENCE instead

Rowett has failed at 2 championship clubs, Stoke and Derby.  Would Lee Johnson see coming to us as a step up from what he has at Bristol City ?? If Jovanovic was interested he would be here by now.  If not Hughton then we need to look at the good managers in the division below. Some Albion fans on here think we can tempt the best here.  You've got to look at what we are, a championship club with no money and badly run by a poor board !!!
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Post by: BalisPen on May 13, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
I wrote on here a while back that I felt he would get the sack and I hope we'd get him. I remember when he left blose after the play offs and wanting and I would love him to come in now.
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Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2019, 12:04:47 PM
Realistically it's all going to come down to the budget and not just for the players. Even our managers going to have a wage ceiling, couple of rubber bands and a new stapler as incentives.
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Post by: 17GD on May 13, 2019, 12:08:14 PM
Bilic probably won't come as I'd imagine he'd wait it out for an established PL team to call. But he'd be ideal for me. He was recently employed abroad somewhere rich.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 13, 2019, 12:21:14 PM
First choice for me is Jokanovic, but I would welcome Chris Hughton. He has vast experience of the Championship, has won promotion from it and his teams play good football
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Post by: royhan on May 13, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
Swansea's Graham Potter, touted for the Albion job, is a 1/8 favourite with Paddy Power to take charge of another Albion - Brighton and Hove. Unless we manage to get promotion I can guest which one he would opt for.
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Post by: Xpresso on May 13, 2019, 12:37:25 PM
Hughton is just Pulis MkII. Do we really want to go back to that?
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Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2019, 12:37:33 PM
Swansea's Graham Potter, touted for the Albion job, is a 1/8 favourite with Paddy Power to take charge of another Albion - Brighton and Hove. Unless we manage to get promotion I can guest which one he would opt for.


I don't think Potter has ever been a serious candidate for us, sadly.

The betting for the Brighton job is in it's infancy though, I wouldn't take much notice of it yet. We've seen how the betting goes with us.
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Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
Hughton is just Pulis MkII. Do we really want to go back to that?


He's not  as negative as Pulis. No-one is.
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Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
does spell check auto correct Hughton ? apparently not !
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Post by: FallOutBoy on May 13, 2019, 12:41:26 PM

He's not  as negative as Pulis. No-one is.

Agreed. He's not exactly the paragon of free-flowing football, but you know we're going to go back to that, not forwards to a Jokanovic / Bilic / etc.

We need our own Farke or Wagner, but we won't.
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Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 12:43:27 PM
I honestly cant see past Appleton.
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Post by: KN22 on May 13, 2019, 12:55:44 PM

He's not  as negative as Pulis. No-one is.

No he is not. Would we be able to tempt him if in the championship? Must have been on big money at Brighton. I wouldn't be unhappy if we got him.
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Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Hughton spent £31m combined on Locadia and Jahanbaskh.

The latter got 0 goals and 0 assists. Didn't he also sign Van Wolfswinkel at Norwich?

3 wins in 23 apparently
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Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2019, 01:01:50 PM
Hughton spent £31m combined on Locadia and Jahanbaskh.

The latter got 0 goals and 0 assists. Didn't he also sign Van Wolfswinkel at Norwich?

3 wins in 23 apparently


I'd sign him just for the name. Second best name ever behind only Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink.
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Post by: Dan on May 13, 2019, 01:22:39 PM
Hughton is very close to Pulis really, he just has a better reputation for some reason.

His use of funds at Brighton has also been extremely wasteful, they stayed up but they really should have given the amount they've spent under him. They've only been in the premier 2 seasons and already signed more 10m+ players than we have in our history. And basically none of them were any good.
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Post by: phbaggies on May 13, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
Hughton is very close to Pulis really, he just has a better reputation for some reason.

His use of funds at Brighton has also been extremely wasteful, they stayed up but they really should have given the amount they've spent under him. They've only been in the premier 2 seasons and already signed more 10m+ players than we have in our history. And basically none of them were any good.
His use of funds or Dan Ashworths??
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 02:10:43 PM
does spell check auto correct Hughton ? apparently not !

It will be in a few minutes time  :D
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Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 13, 2019, 02:18:11 PM

I'd sign him just for the name. Second best name ever behind only Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink.

Wolfgang Wolf of Wolfsburg is the clear winner  :)

I’d take Hughton or Pearson but fear it will be Appleton.
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Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
His use of funds or Dan Ashworths??

Dan came in in February. So Hughton's plus whoever the previous head of recruitment was.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 13, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
It will be in a few minutes time  :D

Oh thank God.

Ray Hughton.

Edit - It works  ;) ;D
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
Oh thank God.

Ray Hughton.

Edit - It works  ;) ;D

We're buggered if he gets the job and we sign a player named H oughton though  :D
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Post by: alex1 on May 13, 2019, 02:43:15 PM
There are better managers out there than Hughton, but there are also alot worse. His sides always come across as well drilled and positive, if not exactly free flowing entertainers. And if some of Brighton's buys haven't come off, whose fault is that? Isn't Dan Ashworth in charge of recruitment?
At the end of the day, we have to find someone who can improve and build the team within our budget. A definition of a good manager is someone who can build on and improve the material at his disposal. I would be happy enough with Hughton.

And if people are only worried about spelling his name right, then I'll take that for building a more successful team.  :)
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
Can we keep Tony Pulis discussion in the Pulis thread please

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15324.msg660677;boardseen#new

In the very unlikely event he is linked with us to become next manager then it can go in here but until then please use the other.
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Post by: NJS on May 13, 2019, 04:15:24 PM
Don't worry the management team will be looking at many exciting, innovative and most of all cheap candidates for manager and will come down on … Appleton?

Pity about Potter, we could have got him in had we been decision before the start of last season.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 13, 2019, 04:24:15 PM
Chris Hughton ? it's a no from me
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 13, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Gutted was going to post big thesis on the best ROI central midfielders of the last 40 years.  :'(
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Post by: timdon on May 13, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
Gutted was going to post big thesis on the best ROI central midfielders of the last 40 years.  :'(
I can think of a few excellent ones, but I wouldn't want any of them to be our next manager
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Post by: Plastic Paddy on May 13, 2019, 07:30:43 PM
I honestly cant see past Appleton.

I suspect you are right. Darren Moore was sacked on 9 March however Michael Appleton wasn't appointed as Coach until 26 April (almost 7 weeks later) despite being out of work and only started after the Rotherham game. I imagine this is so MA can assess the players before being officially confirmed as Head Coach after the play offs?

I can't think of any other reason why (A) Shan would wait this long to approach him or (B) Why MA would take a "coaching" role for 3 or 4 games!
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Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2019, 08:59:07 PM
Looks like the other Albion are in for Potter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48252290 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48252290)
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Post by: Mo on May 13, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
The next incumbent has not only got to be a good coach but savvy with a clear plan of how he wants to go about things and have a keen eye for a bargain player from either here or abroad . Personally I think the club has some kind of fixation with Appleton and instead of being creative and thinking outside the box will appoint him knowing he is hardly likely to rock the boat at any point . 
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 13, 2019, 09:32:50 PM
I know I've said I think we need someone without Albion connections but what about Micky Mellon now at Tranmere, 3 play offs in 3 years, a mix bag of players but knocking it about nicely at FGR with a few long range strikes thrown in - maybe an outside shout especially if we're looking at a cheap option and recruiting cheap from the lower leagues  8)
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Post by: Pelada on May 13, 2019, 09:34:21 PM
Has Appleton ever achieved a thing in coaching or management? Does he have a reputation for any style of play? McIness is the same, that Aberdeen side are atrocious.

It completely baffles me how he gets linked every time. Can we just go out and get a good manager who wants to play in a clear and (relatively) positive way?

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Post by: Mister AT on May 13, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
Has Appleton ever achieved a thing in coaching or management? Does he have a reputation for any style of play? McIness is the same, that Aberdeen side are atrocious.

It completely baffles me how he gets linked every time. Can we just go out and get a good manager who wants to play in a clear and (relatively) positive way?

I would sooner have Clarke back here than McInnes if you had to take a manager from Scotland.
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Post by: timdon on May 13, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
Has Appleton ever achieved a thing in coaching or management? Does he have a reputation for any style of play? McIness is the same, that Aberdeen side are atrocious.

It completely baffles me how he gets linked every time. Can we just go out and get a good manager who wants to play in a clear and (relatively) positive way?

Last permanent managerial job was with Oxford. 45% win rate and 2 cup finals. McKinnes' time at Aberdeen 56% win rate and 3 cup finals.
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Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2019, 10:25:11 PM
I cannot see how Hughton is bad and or good as I think I seen argued on this thread compared to Monk. Two Coaches with very similar outlooks (generally negative) and neither could be argued to represent ambition whatever that means in the context of this appointment. Neither will fundamentally change anything (although not sure any coach will) but both play the sort of pragmatic football which might be best described as "Old School British"

Both are the sort of regressive short term fix which might lead to promotion but as soon as we reach the Premier League will quickly settle back into the 40 point grind until fans get fed up with watching it or it fails and we are back where we started.

I would hope for someone a little bit more progressive in their approach.
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Post by: chipperclark on May 14, 2019, 01:43:17 AM
 ;) Hughton has gone around the blocks a few times...looks a bit stressed out...needs a holiday. Great Championship manager though.

I personally would be happy with Monk...think he can do a reasonable job.
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Post by: colinmax on May 14, 2019, 06:56:37 AM
Hughton may have been a good shout last year but apparently he spent a lot of money on 3 strikers who have only scored a total of 4 goals and he has reverted to Pulis tactics.
One of our best managers was Big Ron who we plucked from Cambridge United so would Ryan Lowe of Bury be a good shout?
Bury have been promoted each of the last two seasons and he was voted manager of the season for league 2.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2019, 07:51:09 AM
British coaches: Pearson, Mowbray, Monk.
Foreign coaches: Bilic, Jokanovic

Either go safeish or pluck a manager from lower league and see if they can step up.

Who know's with this board?
One think we do know is that the next manager will be appointed with the purse strings being the primary consideration.
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Post by: phbaggies on May 14, 2019, 08:39:28 AM
British coaches: Pearson, Mowbray, Monk.
Foreign coaches: Bilic, Jokanovic

Either go safeish or pluck a manager from lower league and see if they can step up.

Who know's with this board?
One think we do know is that the next manager will be appointed with the purse strings being the primary consideration.
Mickey Mellon? How many promotions now with Fleetwood, Shrewsbury and Tranmere? Surprised he hasn't had a shot higher up yet. He was being spoken about on Talksport this morning, a lot of what he has done has gone under the radar.
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Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 14, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
Mickey Mellon? How many promotions now with Fleetwood, Shrewsbury and Tranmere? Surprised he hasn't had a shot higher up yet. He was being spoken about on Talksport this morning, a lot of what he has done has gone under the radar.

There are quite a few decent managers in the lower leagues who often work on a shoe string budget yet still achieve promotion etc. The Cowley Brothers, Micky Mellon, Paul Tisdale, Lee Bowyer etc are all people i'd look at. Give me one of those any day over Allardyce, Moyes etc
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Post by: FallOutBoy on May 14, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
The club needs a shake-up, a change in the way it goes about things on and off the pitch. Yet it's clear from a lot of the suggestions here that a lot of people want to continue the malaise - just going for people who were here before will do that, no matter how long they've been gone. Part of the issue with Clarke for example, was that he couldn't turn it around when things went bad.

If we're going to be functioning on a lower budget we need to think long term, appoint our own Farke, or Cowley, or whoever. Don't just go 'we need to get promotion this season' and proceed to handicap ourselves every step of the way as we have done this year.
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Post by: phbaggies on May 14, 2019, 10:06:32 AM
Swansea given permission for Brighton to talk to Potter so that's one off the 'list'
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Post by: Mister AT on May 14, 2019, 10:13:18 AM
Swansea given permission for Brighton to talk to Potter so that's one off the 'list'

Having a look on twitter, a lot of Swansea fans believed they would have probably been relegated this year if it wasn't for Potter. Thought of highly by their fans.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 14, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
I don't understand how anybody can advocate for a serial failure like Monk instead of Hughton who has got promotions under his belt.

Just because Monk is younger doesn't make him better.

I don't know who was in charge of recruitment at BHA, but scoring goals was a problem for them, and it is always hard to find a good, consistent scorer when you are in the prem.

He bought the Dutch league top scorer and failed, but pochetinno bought the similar vincent jansson for a similar price but he's a genius.

You are only as good as as your strikers when you are in the prem.

If he can come in and organise us and get us up we can look at it then, but he's easily the best realistic candidate out there.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 14, 2019, 11:40:08 AM
I think a lot of people are forgetting Dan Ashworth is at Brighton now so would imagine he is looking to implent his plans.

The appointment of Potter would again prove that, if you look at how Potter wants his teams to play, its pretty similar to all the England set ups nowadays.

Ashworth clearly has a vision and Hughton wouldn't have been part of that.

I would have Hughton here as he would help us next season if we are to remain in this league, however with the whole Bong incident and how close he came to our job last time, I cant imagine him coming easily.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 14, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
I think those turning our nose up at Hughton might need a reality check.

The club have no vision - there is no forward plan.

The club requires a major overhaul of its playing staff in the summer given we are so reliant on short term loans.

Hughton would be an excellent choice to ensure that ship is steady and assist a board who continuously make the wrong decision.

I would worry next year about where we will end up if we go for a relatively unproven, uninspiring choice like Appleton etc.

Whilst our owners long term plans are unknown - I would happily take the steady eddie who has a better record than anyone we have been linked with - or will be linked with.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 14, 2019, 12:38:55 PM
I don't understand how anybody can advocate for a serial failure like Monk instead of Hughton who has got promotions under his belt.

Just because Monk is younger doesn't make him better.

I don't know who was in charge of recruitment at BHA, but scoring goals was a problem for them, and it is always hard to find a good, consistent scorer when you are in the prem.

He bought the Dutch league top scorer and failed, but pochetinno bought the similar vincent jansson for a similar price but he's a genius.

You are only as good as as your strikers when you are in the prem.

If he can come in and organise us and get us up we can look at it then, but he's easily the best realistic candidate out there.

I wouldn't go near Monk. He did a poor job at Middlesbrough and their fans weren't impressed with him at all. He did OK at Blues this season, but the expectations of him weren't particularly high. I'm also not convinced he could rebuild a team to challenge for promotion.

Hughton has to be one of the outstanding candidates IMO, if we don't get promoted then I would be very happy if he was appointed our next manager.
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Post by: Dan87uk on May 14, 2019, 01:33:31 PM
I'd be surprised if we went for Hughton just based on recent history with the Bong/JRod incident and subsequent comments about crowd taunting etc.
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Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
I think a lot of people are forgetting Dan Ashworth is at Brighton now so would imagine he is looking to implent his plans.

The appointment of Potter would again prove that, if you look at how Potter wants his teams to play, its pretty similar to all the England set ups nowadays.

Ashworth clearly has a vision and Hughton wouldn't have been part of that.

I would have Hughton here as he would help us next season if we are to remain in this league, however with the whole Bong incident and how close he came to our job last time, I cant imagine him coming easily.

Apparently Swansea have rejected Brighton's approach for Potter.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 14, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
Apparently Swansea have rejected Brighton's approach for Potter.

Of course they have.  They’ll be waiting for Potter to demand the move.  He apparently has a buyout clause so it’s possibly just a fight over compensation for his support staff and agreement over him taking players with him.

Fully expecting Potter to be in place within a week.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 14, 2019, 07:00:11 PM
I'd be surprised if we went for Hughton just based on recent history with the Bong/JRod incident and subsequent comments about crowd taunting etc.

Far too much is being made of the Bong incident. Any manager, of any club, would defend his player in such circumstances.
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 07:02:42 PM
Think JOhn Percy said its a touch over 3m for the whole backroom so once they agree to pay it, which they will, its done.
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Post by: Slimbo on May 14, 2019, 07:55:19 PM
Neil Lennon is sitting in the lower East Stand tonight
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Post by: Scooby Doo on May 14, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
A lot depends on where we are playing to be honest.
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Post by: lewisant on May 14, 2019, 10:57:35 PM
A lot depends on where we are playing to be honest.


Championship.

Step up Hughton
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Post by: frazzle on May 14, 2019, 11:01:02 PM
Don’t want Hughton. Doesn’t matter who I want right enough.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 14, 2019, 11:01:43 PM
We need a manager with guts and vision.
I don't think that there is a British manager out there, who fits the bill
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 14, 2019, 11:03:00 PM
Neil Lennon is sitting in the lower East Stand tonight
have a dislike of him but think he'd be a decent shout.
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Post by: Dexy on May 14, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
Chance for a new start now but you know it will be the same old ,
Jenkins will have those cuts ready 9 am.
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Post by: wba_1996 on May 14, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
I know a couple of Sunday league managers that could be in with a shout, they might be too overqualified and expensive for Jenkins though.

We've interviewed both Dean Smith and Jokanovic this season and we've ended up with a couple of academy coaches that were already here, when you look at it like that it's almost like we purposefully tried to stay in the Championship. 
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
Jenkins stooped to new lows this year. Unforgiveable.
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Post by: SirTonyM on May 14, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
Long summer ahead now. I think Dowling might know what he’s doing but sadly I don’t think anyone else does...
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 14, 2019, 11:16:59 PM
Jenkins stooped to new lows this year. Unforgiveable.
he's the reason I haven't renewed, pathetic to sack a rookie manager and appoint an even less experienced man when the club was still in with a shout of promotion. unbelievable way to run the club. the sooner he's out the club the better, I don't see how the club rebuilds and has a long term plan with that buffoon involved. he knows nothing about football just money.
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Post by: darbolina on May 14, 2019, 11:24:05 PM
Darren and Jimmy did well under the circumstances but I just can't see who can work with someone like Jenkins let alone a coach with talent and pedigree . Jenkins has heen a car crash this year really.He and lai will hopefully leave asap.  Utter shambles at times
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:27:19 PM
Will Lai sack Jenkins for his failures or does he love him?
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Post by: Dexy on May 14, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
Will Lai sack Jenkins for his failures or does he love him?
No decent manager will work for him , Id be happy enough if he left.
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
We need to get him gone then, shame it's out of our hands. Hopefully Lai sees his purchase devalue and f##ks him off.
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Post by: mig on May 14, 2019, 11:48:31 PM
If Jokanovic is still an option then we should move quickly to get him.

In reality though I don't care too much who it is as long as they meet the following two criteria:
 - Play exciting football
 - Give young players a fair chance
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 14, 2019, 11:49:18 PM
We need to get him gone then, shame it's out of our hands. Hopefully Lai sees his purchase devalue and f##ks him off.
Lai is in a far away country and can't keep his eye on all the businesses.
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Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:51:20 PM
This should get through quickly regardless though.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 14, 2019, 11:55:48 PM
Up to you Jenkins, Lai and Dowling now, lets see what your vision for this club is
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Post by: paulosull on May 15, 2019, 12:09:17 AM
Up to you Jenkins, Lai and Dowling now, lets see what your vision for this club is
don't trust any of these clowns to get the appointment right.
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Post by: Dexy on May 15, 2019, 12:13:19 AM
Up to you Jenkins, Lai and Dowling now, lets see what your vision for this club is
Not one of them has a clue , I'll stand to be proved wrong in 12 months .
Nobody with a bit about them would work under this regime , Id be surprised if its not Appleton.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 15, 2019, 12:24:42 AM
Not one of them has a clue , I'll stand to be proved wrong in 12 months .
Nobody with a bit about them would work under this regime , Id be surprised if its not Appleton.

I'll be amazed if its not Appleton with Shan and Reid as assistants. Hoping they show some ambition though but I know the odds of that.
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Post by: Dexy on May 15, 2019, 12:27:51 AM
I'll be amazed if its not Appleton with Shan and Reid as assistants. Hoping they show some ambition though but I know the odds of that.
The owner knows nothing , Jenkins as good as he is finance wise again knows little about football .
Dowling is the one whose got my attention right now , surely should have had a list ready when Moore got sacked .
What has he actually done at the club yet ? , anybody know ?  . If he's not up to it then move him on.
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Post by: alex1 on May 15, 2019, 12:33:36 AM
Neil Lennon is sitting in the lower East Stand tonight
No thanks. We'd probably end up with a few Celtic rejects, even if Burke is not one of them.
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Post by: baggies_24 on May 15, 2019, 07:06:08 AM
Appointment needs to be made quickly now, it has to be someone with a clear identity of how they play and must be willing to use the crop of youth players we have coming through. We then need to shift out the deadwood from the squad who don’t fit the way the manager wants to play and start targeting players who can fit the system.

I’ll still give Dowling the benefit of doubt out of his January signing Holgate & Johanson improved the team so as long as the decision is left to Dowling and Jenkins keeps out I hope he’l make a decent appointment but it has to happen within 1 or 2 weeks. 
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Post by: Baggies on May 15, 2019, 07:16:46 AM
I expect we will push for Hughton and his duller brand of football, with Appleton and McInnis also possibilities.

Personally I would prefer us to go for a bit more if a progressive, left field candidate.
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Post by: pete on May 15, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
I would love to get Potter in from Swansea. Great style of football and the players like him.
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Post by: Aztech on May 15, 2019, 07:45:20 AM
I would love to get Potter in from Swansea. Great style of football and the players like him.

Unfortunately we had the opportunity 12 months ago, no chance now in my opinion
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Post by: pete on May 15, 2019, 07:46:03 AM
I know mate. Not going to happen unfortunately
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 08:42:11 AM
The owner knows nothing , Jenkins as good as he is finance wise again knows little about football .
Dowling is the one whose got my attention right now , surely should have had a list ready when Moore got sacked .
What has he actually done at the club yet ? , anybody know ?  . If he's not up to it then move him on.

What exactly is Dowling supposed to have done by now which would be remotely visible to any of us?  Scouting and drawing up a target list and there is no doubt that he will have done that, but how far can he go until we appoint our new manager and until we know who we can sell and at what price?
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Post by: baggiemart on May 15, 2019, 08:44:15 AM
Mcinnes could be a good shout.  However, I keep thinking of up and coming lower league managers who have done well and I keep coming back to the one name .........  Lee Bowyer.  He's done well at Charlton and the advantage of bringing in lower league managers is that they know the good players from that league.  This would be the ideal step for Bowyer if he fails to get Charlton promoted.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
I can see it being a straight choice between Appleton and Hughton. My worry is that Appleton has already been promised it if we were staying down. And then Hughton became available.

In many ways Hughton is the perfect fit right now.  Has got 3 teams promoted and kept Brighton there with the PL’s third lowest wage bill. A very decent manager at this level and is just what we need right now. If he gets us up then we can worry about what to do next.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 08:47:38 AM
Mcinnes could be a good shout.  However, I keep thinking of up and coming lower league managers who have done well and I keep coming back to the one name .........  Lee Bowyer.  He's done well at Charlton and the advantage of bringing in lower league managers is that they know the good players from that league.  This would be the ideal step for Bowyer if he fails to get Charlton promoted.

Not McInnes. We MUST stop these bloody romantic appointments just because he was a player hero here.   His managerial record would not cause him to be considered if he didn’t have the club connection.
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Post by: pete on May 15, 2019, 09:25:07 AM
Maybe I was wrong in not getting Potter

https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/17635588.swansea-chief-graham-potter-the-early-favourite-to-be-albions-next-boss/
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Post by: ashn on May 15, 2019, 09:29:54 AM
This is a Brighton newspaper - it is the Brighton job.

Maybe I was wrong in not getting Potter

https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/17635588.swansea-chief-graham-potter-the-early-favourite-to-be-albions-next-boss/
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Post by: pete on May 15, 2019, 09:31:07 AM
This is a Brighton newspaper - it is the Brighton job.
I know, it was a joke, maybe a smiley face next time!  ;)
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Post by: BB74 on May 15, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Oh no.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48248039 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48248039)
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Post by: royhan on May 15, 2019, 09:32:18 AM
Chris Coleman has just been sacked by a Chinese club that he had managed for the past 11 months. He'd lost a raft of players and his wife claims they wanted to leave before the start of the season.This season Hebei China are one place off the bottom of the table with only one win and two draws in their opening nine games of the season. Could be a possibility or is it more likely that he will end up at Swansea when Potter leaves?
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Post by: ashn on May 15, 2019, 09:35:17 AM
 ;) Good one
I know, it was a joke, maybe a smiley face next time!  ;)
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Post by: Mister AT on May 15, 2019, 09:35:47 AM
Appletons name wouldn't even be mentioned if he wasn't a former player, same goes with McInnes.

We need to stop with this whole sentiment thing when it comes to the manager, it didn't work with DM and it wont work with the next one.

If Appleton had never had played for this club, this board would be going crazy at the thought of him getting the job.

We need to get a proper manager in. There are plenty out there who deserve a crack at the job. I would sooner be looking at the likes of Paul Cook, the Barnsley boss and a few others before I contemplated McInnes or Appleton.

Like it or not, Hughton is the best name out there in terms of promotions, knowing the league, knowing how to get out the league and also has that premier league experience the club always bang on about.

Whether we can convince him to come would be a different matter.

I would love for the board to prove me wrong and look abroad for a boss, its worked with Wolves (granted they've had some help from mendes), its worked with Norwich. There are plenty of capable bosses in the top flight german league who would love a chance to manage in England.

We will know the clubs intentions this summer by the length of time it takes for them to appoint a new boss.

The one key factor I have taken already is that Shan has said hes been offered a coaching job if he wants it, now does that mean he will be involved in the first team or will he be returning to the under 23s? What if the new man in charge wants his backroom staff to be all his own men?

For me, I cant see past it being offered Appleton. That's why he is already here.
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Post by: baggies_24 on May 15, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
I’d rather Hughton every day over Coleman and I don’t really want Hughton.
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 15, 2019, 09:50:50 AM
No to Appy, Mciness, Coleman and co

We need someone with fresh new ideas and a new playing style. We have probably our biggest rebuild in years, although how many years have we said this. It seems each year our rebuild gets bigger and bigger

Get this appointment wrong and it'll cost us more than the last few seasons have!
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Post by: baggie96 on May 15, 2019, 09:53:02 AM
Danny Cowley high up in the odds, second favourite on paddy power
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Post by: gavinrussell on May 15, 2019, 10:00:18 AM
Danny Cowley high up in the odds, second favourite on paddy power
Good shout..the Cowleys have rejuvenated Lincoln on a very limited budget..taking average players and coaching them to a really good standard..
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Post by: Mister AT on May 15, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
Cowley deserves a crack a job higher up, wouldn't be against him being given a chance here.

Lee Johnson is another I can see us going for. Constantly does well with Bristol City, always come close to the play offs, play some good football and knows how to build a team on a budget.

A left field appointment I would like us to look at, someone like  Van Bronkchorst, leaving Feyenoord, won the cup in his first season, won the league in his second season, leaving at the end of the season, can't see any prem team taking a risk on him so we may be able to tempt him into English football?
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Post by: benalbion on May 15, 2019, 10:23:42 AM
The way things have gone at the albion over the years im looking at this realistically.
Unlikely (what we all want) - we get a manager in who be allowed to have a clear out, bring in fresh ideas and his own staff and new players
Likely(what those at the top will do) - Shan will be manager come august. After loans gone back and players are sold we will be picking the bones from a depleted squad and bring in quick cheap options for start of season
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Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 10:33:57 AM
The way things have gone at the albion over the years im looking at this realistically.
Unlikely (what we all want) - we get a manager in who be allowed to have a clear out, bring in fresh ideas and his own staff and new players
Likely(what those at the top will do) - Shan will be manager come august. After loans gone back and players are sold we will be picking the bones from a depleted squad and bring in quick cheap options for start of season
Shan confirmed last night he wont be manager but club has assured him of a place on the coaching staff if he wants it
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Post by: Albion79 on May 15, 2019, 10:57:41 AM
To me we are not that far away from where we were in 2006/2007 when we lost in the playoffs, we will lose some our bigger names now we havent gone up, but we could also try and keep some of the better ones for this level.

The difference was then we had Mowbray who had a clear vision of how he wanted to play, we need to find another Mowbray.

He came from Hibs and wasnt a big name / coup but we thought outside the box a bit, same as with our player recruitment back then and it paid off, not only that it got fans excited again.

I dont care if the new manager is british or foreign, what i want is somebody is hungry, has a vision and wants to better themselves. The problem with a Hughton is he has a template and will implement it wherever he goes, its like a default setting, i like him as a bloke and have no doubt if he came in he would do a decent job and though may lead us back to the premier league, it would be conservative, we have been there and done that.

If we go back to the premier league i want it to be exciting and try a new approach, Norwich have yoyo'd similar to us but their fans are buzzing because they are going up this time with a different way of approaching the premier league and its exciting, that needs to be us again.

These players got us relegated and ultimately didnt get us promoted again, for some of them they have peaked and they are declining, others have just become stale so now is the ideal time for a overhaul and fresh approach.

I think the pressure and expectation will of gone a bit next season so whoever comes in has a big advantage on Moore and Shan, if we get this appointment right it could lead to a exciting new era for Albion, sadly i think we will go for the tired and trusted approach, again.
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Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 11:03:25 AM
Holding talks with Hughton next week then, so it begins!

Patrick Vieira is a new link though!

(J. Percy - Telegraph)
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 15, 2019, 11:17:27 AM
Holding talks with Hughton next week then, so it begins!

Patrick Vieira is a new link though!

(J. Percy - Telegraph)

Is this a MSM source?
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Post by: baggies_24 on May 15, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Holding talks with Hughton next week then, so it begins!

Patrick Vieira is a new link though!

(J. Percy - Telegraph)

The line that really worries me from the article is this

‘But Hughton’s previous record of two promotions makes him an attractive option for the West Brom board.’

Obviously the goal next season is to be promoted but we also need some further long term planning which let’s be honest with you Hughton at 60 years old isn’t. Also another pragmatic experienced British manager.
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Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 11:32:02 AM
Is this a MSM source?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/15/west-brom-target-chris-hughton-next-manager-promotion-failure/
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Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 11:34:41 AM
The line that really worries me from the article is this

‘But Hughton’s previous record of two promotions makes him an attractive option for the West Brom board.’

Obviously the goal next season is to be promoted but we also need some further long term planning which let’s be honest with you Hughton at 60 years old isn’t. Also another pragmatic experienced British manager.

This worries me more in the article from Shan's mouth "The mentality of the owners, technical director and chief executive will definitely steer this club back into the Premier League."
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Post by: seteefeet on May 15, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
This worries me more in the article from Shan's mouth "The mentality of the owners, technical director and chief executive will definitely steer this club back into the Premier League."
The line before says they've guaranteed him a place on the coaching staff so he's hardly going to say anything derogatory. Personally, I hope he's right and they do steer us back to the Prem. I just hope that, when it happens, as Albion79 says,  it is with a young, attack minded team and philosophy and not a stale dinosaur.
Potter or Johnson would be my choices.
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Post by: Oldbury24 on May 15, 2019, 11:58:53 AM
Hughton ticks all the boxes....promotion success with different teams, able to work on a limited budget, respected within the game (although the JRod and Bong situation left some bad feelings), and lets not forget he is leaving Brighton having kept them UP despite having to rely on the old man up front for the goals to keep them up.

He has a reputation for teams playing pragmatic football, but I remember seeing Brighton early on in the campaign whilst they were on a good run and was surprised just how bright they looked, zipping the ball about and creating chances. 

Their big problem this year has been the abject failure of the marque forward signings from the Dutch League with 3 goals for the £30 million investment.   Would these big signings have been Hughton's choice or their recruitment team before Ashorth's arrival?  Either way it is pretty irrelevant as the next manager at the Hawthorns wont be getting £30 million for the entire team rebuild let alone two players.

Question is.....are we an attractive proposition for a man with Hughton's background.?  3 managers sacked in the last year and a bit (one of whom was in 4th place in the league at the time) an unbalanced and ageing squad lacking both pace and technical ability and no external funding from owners for new players.  It's a big job working for an owner who is showing ZERO interest in the club other than as an investment and a boss who is purely financially driven and NOT a football man.Put that job description in the papers and see who applies!!

If i'm struggling to sell it to myself, how are we going to sell it to a choice off the A list like Hughton or Johnson??  Other than "We are the Albion"....which would of course work for us.

 

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Post by: webral on May 15, 2019, 11:59:50 AM
A couple of names not mentioned, Mikel Arteta, Darren Fletcher.
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Post by: lewisant on May 15, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
We have a big re-build on our hands. I believe we need knowledge and experience. Hughton is a decent pair of hands that can sure us up and make us solid and build from the back, which is a good way to build.

If a building is being bulldozed, you don't buy the ornaments and furniture first, you set the foundations. That's why Hughton in my eyes is a great shout. It won't be as pretty as we'd like but we've now missed the opportunity for that.

Yes i'd love Jokanovic, Potters or somebody of that ilk however i would say we now need to steady this ship.
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Post by: smethwick2 on May 15, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
A couple of names not mentioned, Mikel Arteta, Darren Fletcher.

Would be very interesting, I just can't see it happening. It will always be hard to pull away a key member of staff from a powerhouse such as Man City. He is much more likely to get a job at a decent La Liga side like Valencia.

If we could get him though I'm sure he will play the kind of football that we would love to see and attract some decent names
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Post by: koren on May 15, 2019, 12:39:54 PM
We need some fresh idea and a big overhaul for the squad.
Patrick Vieira or Mikel Arteta would be an interesting one.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 15, 2019, 12:40:41 PM
A couple of names not mentioned, Mikel Arteta, Darren Fletcher.

Arteta was close to the Arsenal job before Emery got it, would have a feeling he would see himself as being 'too big' for the championship. Can see him starting his managerial career abroad.

Darren Fletcher, in short - No. Would rather we kept Shan on as manager than give it to a complete novice who has zero managerial experience.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 15, 2019, 12:41:15 PM
As long as whoever it is has no previous links to the club and plays attractive attacking football I really don't care who it is. I know I should care but I've had any enthusiasm for it knocked out of me by the board.

I'd like us to go for a young and upcoming manager(s) like the Cowleys at Lincoln or Lee Johnson but as I say attractive attacking football is a must for me.
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Post by: kris_boing on May 15, 2019, 01:08:28 PM
I think the club appointed its next manager for the Championship a few weeks ago.....
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Post by: gavinrussell on May 15, 2019, 01:12:55 PM
John Percy reports that the Club will be holding talks with Hughton next week..
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Post by: divinewind on May 15, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Why do we always go for out of work managers? There is a reason why they are out of work.
Last season we could/should have gone for Dean Smith, Graham Potter or Lee Johnson, but we went for big hearted nice but dim Darren Moore, because we didn't want to be accused of being racist, which we were anyway.
You make your bed, you lie in it.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
John Percy reports that the Club will be holding talks with Hughton next week..

Really surprised to see them acting so quickly to be honest.
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Post by: gavinrussell on May 15, 2019, 01:23:56 PM
Really surprised to see them acting so quickly to be honest.
Quite surprised myself but maybe they want someone in early to make the squad their own well in advance of pre season..
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Post by: paulosull on May 15, 2019, 01:25:08 PM
That's j Rod gone after all Hughton basically called him a racist, can't see him staying under this coach.
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Post by: MarkW on May 15, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
Why do we always go for out of work managers? There is a reason why they are out of work.
Last season we could/should have gone for Dean Smith, Graham Potter or Lee Johnson, but we went for big hearted nice but dim Darren Moore, because we didn't want to be accused of being racist, which we were anyway.
You make your bed, you lie in it.

Got any evidence of that?
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Post by: baggie96 on May 15, 2019, 01:40:21 PM
I’d be seriously tempted by Vieira if he’s interested.
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Post by: darbolina on May 15, 2019, 01:41:49 PM
John Percy reports that the Club will be holding talks with Hughton next week..

Good, no time to lose and I think the fans won't accept another close season of faffing
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Post by: WBArgo on May 15, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
For me, Hughton is another one in the mould of Pulis/Bruce et al - maybe good for getting a possible promotion but the football is pretty ugly and honestly I don't think his style is too dissimilar to that of Pulis at all.

I suppose it shows a bit of ambition though compared to someone like Appleton where Hughton would be on much bigger wages, which hopefully would set the tone for our transfers/spending too - as opposed to a season of bargain basement signings.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 15, 2019, 02:44:05 PM
For me, Hughton is another one in the mould of Pulis/Bruce et al - maybe good for getting a possible promotion but the football is pretty ugly and honestly I don't think his style is too dissimilar to that of Pulis at all.

I suppose it shows a bit of ambition though compared to someone like Appleton where Hughton would be on much bigger wages, which hopefully would set the tone for our transfers/spending too - as opposed to a season of bargain basement signings.
It's another boring candidate. Not for me thanks
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Post by: Dexy on May 15, 2019, 02:44:47 PM
What exactly is Dowling supposed to have done by now which would be remotely visible to any of us?  Scouting and drawing up a target list and there is no doubt that he will have done that, but how far can he go until we appoint our new manager and until we know who we can sell and at what price?
How about being without a manager since early Febuary for a starter ? , they knew Moore was struggling for months before he got sacked.
Unless I'm wrong that is part of his job.
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Post by: Baggies on May 15, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
My own reasons for doubting Dowling are down to the Jan transfer window (his 1st in charge of the club) and his handling of our managerial situation.

In Jan, he failed to replace Barnes which was always key and failed to bring in another forward (which ultimately did for us in the play offs). He made the Holgate signing early (and he performed ok) but his following 3 signings were all below average (i'd still be tempted to say Johansson was disappointing, despite eventually having some limited impact).

He then sacked Moore and didn't have any plan to replace him in what was poorly handled situation.

He may come good, but the early signs worry me.
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Post by: Baggies on May 15, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
I didn't think about the Hughton-Rodriguez point. Bit of a concern really as J-Rod may have been one of pur easier players to keep. Would expect us to sell if Hughton comes in.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: dangerman on May 15, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
Unfortunatley, I have little confidence that we will appoint the right person due to who is currently calling the shots.

One of two things will happen. We will appoint a low wage type coach Appleton, McInnes (who we would not even consider had he not previously played for us).

Or we will be linked with lots of interesting names (Vieira being one example), we will take too long in getting them in and we will panic and end up with someone like Fat Sam.

It's the Albion way.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 15, 2019, 03:09:57 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/15/west-brom-target-chris-hughton-next-manager-promotion-failure/

Cheers,Thank you
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Post by: Mister AT on May 15, 2019, 03:17:09 PM
My own reasons for doubting Dowling are down to the Jan transfer window (his 1st in charge of the club) and his handling of our managerial situation.

In Jan, he failed to replace Barnes which was always key and failed to bring in another forward (which ultimately did for us in the play offs). He made the Holgate signing early (and he performed ok) but his following 3 signings were all below average (i'd still be tempted to say Johansson was disappointing, despite eventually having some limited impact).

He then sacked Moore and didn't have any plan to replace him in what was poorly handled situation.

He may come good, but the early signs worry me.

Whilst I agree with parts of your post, yes we failed to replaces Barnes' contribution, but we didn't fail to replace Barnes in terms of players. We brought in Murphy and Montero - many fans included myself were excited by those signings as on paper they looked as though they would offer us something going forward and between them could have potentially filled the void left by Barnes.

It's easy to look back now and criticise the recruitment, but at the time, Montero and Murphy were seen as decent enough signings.

Now is the time he has to show us what he's about - its a huge summer for us, but I also remember saying that last season and we somehow managed to just paper over cracks and avoid doing the necessary rebuild the club needs.
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Post by: smethwickw on May 15, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Viera is a very interesting one. You'd hope he'd get rid our all of our midfielders and start again!
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Post by: jimmyj on May 15, 2019, 03:47:50 PM
Despite serious backing at NYCFC, Viera didn't do much.
He'd be a good player to attract other players, but with the money we'll (not) have, that will be difficult. I'm not particularly enthralled by the prospect of him. Not Hughton either. His signings are sketchy and with a team rebuild on the cards, again I am unconvinced.

Casting my eyes over the foreign clubs, Dieter Hacking of Borussia Mönchengladbach, just finished fourth in the bundesliga. Goal Difference is only +15 however, so I'd assume not a particularly attacking manager. The club have confirmed he's not staying past this season, so no money to pay. Any German fans care to comment on him? 
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 15, 2019, 03:58:44 PM
Chris Coleman has been sacked from his job in China , just chucking another name that is unattached into the ring  !
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 15, 2019, 04:53:31 PM
Chris Coleman has been sacked from his job in China , just chucking another name that is unattached into the ring  !

Hopefully he'll stay there
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pie on May 15, 2019, 05:01:39 PM
As with many fans, I want to see the next manager have/be:

1) No Prior connection to the club. I want somebody to come in to overhaul the squad with no allegiance to the old boys etc.

2) Forward thinking, I'm not expecting Guardiola but we should still ope for reasonably attractive football. As the squad should be overhauled, the manager should be able to bring in players able to play to their style.

3) Appointed urgently - sooner they can review the squad and start the process of replacements the better.

4) Be hungry to achieve, not a manager from the merry go-round. I would be happy with someone who has managed in league 1/2 with success.

Although this is the Albion so fully expect Appleton to be in charge come start of the season...

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 05:11:02 PM
I didn't think about the Hughton-Rodriguez point. Bit of a concern really as J-Rod may have been one of pur easier players to keep. Would expect us to sell if Hughton comes in.

People are reading far too much into that.  It was inevitable there he would defend his own player (employee) and take his word.  Any manager worth his salt would do that, unless he knew that his own player was lying.  How could he possibly have done anything else?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 15, 2019, 05:24:06 PM
No thank you to Hughton, another unimaginative and predictable choice by the club with no compensation to pay and having a pretty dull playing style which seem to fit the bill with our hierarchy.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 05:41:13 PM
No thank you to Hughton, another unimaginative and predictable choice by the club with no compensation to pay and having a pretty dull playing style which seem to fit the bill with our hierarchy.

Given our overwhelming wealth, I agree that we must pay compensation for our next manager.

Does not matter that he's got a brilliant track record at this level. Maybe, bha can give him his job back and we can then pay compo to get him, then we'll all be happy as it is exceptional ambition.
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Post by: divinewind on May 15, 2019, 06:20:13 PM
Got any evidence of that?

Just the likes of Jason Roberts and Sol Campbell to name a couple saying if Moore didn't get the job Albion would be seen as racist.
I knew he wasn't up to it, but we still got called a racist club when we sacked him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 07:15:34 PM
Hughton imo is the glaringly obvious choice now, but I fully expect Jenkins to dither and boro to sack to and then sneak in and get him as Gibson is a man who loves his club and has ambitions to get up there quickly.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 07:19:02 PM
Keep seeing the criticisms of Hughton's style.

He's pragmatic, gets results and has two promotions to his name in this division - his sides scored 90 and 74 goals in those seasons so hardly uninspiring.

We have tried prating around playing nice football in this division - we couldn't. We finished 4th.

Given the overhaul this playing squad requires, I would prefer it to happen with a relatively safe pair of hands in charge.

I personally cannot see a better candidate..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: colinmax on May 15, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
The powers that be are most unlikely to take any notice of our thoughts but you never know with a groundswell of opinion.
We don't want any of the likes such as Hughton,Allerdyce,Hughes,Rowett,Lambert,Bruce,Mccarthy lets use some lateral thinking and go for a young up and coming manager who has not been sacked.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 15, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
I can only put the sudden defensive resolution and organisation in the 2 Villa games down to the more experienced people we brought in. It suggests that with an experienced manager such as Hughton for the whole season there is a good chance we would have gone up - the board made a huge error. We need to get the experienced manager in quickly and hope we still have enough of the squad left next season to give us a chance.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 15, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
I have been interested in Hughton as a manager before, however it would spell the end for JRod surely, plus he was unfairly smearing our supporters after the cup game at ou place too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 15, 2019, 08:22:45 PM
Hughton - not for me - gets into negative/defensive mode too easily, think we should look at somebody up and coming who wants to make a name for themselves - we need to be brave
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on May 15, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
Keep seeing the criticisms of Hughton's style.

He's pragmatic, gets results and has two promotions to his name in this division - his sides scored 90 and 74 goals in those seasons so hardly uninspiring.

We have tried prating around playing nice football in this division - we couldn't.
We finished 4th.

Given the overhaul this playing squad requires, I would prefer it to happen with a relatively safe pair of hands in charge.

I personally cannot see a better candidate..

Because the club needs a squad overhaul to have a team that can adapt to modern football.

We've basically returned to Pulis-ball the past few months, its not worth it. Even if it gets you promoted, then what? The entertainment value is zero. Hughton at every club he's been at has eventually had the Pulis issue that his football becomes so bad its not worth it. I'd rather us fail but with ambition then continue down this path.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 15, 2019, 09:19:49 PM
Hughton is a yes from me, underestimated what a great job he did at Brighton.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 09:21:44 PM
Because the club needs a squad overhaul to have a team that can adapt to modern football.

We've basically returned to Pulis-ball the past few months, its not worth it. Even if it gets you promoted, then what? The entertainment value is zero. Hughton at every club he's been at has eventually had the Pulis issue that his football becomes so bad its not worth it. I'd rather us fail but with ambition then continue down this path.

You'd like us to fail with ambition?

What exactly is that?

I just want us to win.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on May 15, 2019, 09:35:03 PM
You'd like us to fail with ambition?

What exactly is that?

I just want us to win.

Something more than sticking 10 men behind the ball aiming for a set piece goal on 30% possession just so we can earn the right to play in the premier league where we'll aim to play even more direct in the hope we can scrap 38 points and finish 17th, only to repeat it year after year till we eventually, invevitably fail.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
You'd like us to fail with ambition?

What exactly is that?

I just want us to win.


It's what we were doing with Jones as assistant.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2019, 09:49:19 PM
Something more than sticking 10 men behind the ball aiming for a set piece goal on 30% possession just so we can earn the right to play in the premier league where we'll aim to play even more direct in the hope we can scrap 38 points and finish 17th, only to repeat it year after year till we eventually, invevitably fail.


We didn't play like that last night.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 09:56:57 PM
Because the club needs a squad overhaul to have a team that can adapt to modern football.

We've basically returned to Pulis-ball the past few months, its not worth it. Even if it gets you promoted, then what? The entertainment value is zero. Hughton at every club he's been at has eventually had the Pulis issue that his football becomes so bad its not worth it. I'd rather us fail but with ambition then continue down this path.

You're fooling yourself if you think Jenkins is going to oversee some modern football overhaul of the coaching staff...

He's the best available for our current position.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
Something more than sticking 10 men behind the ball aiming for a set piece goal on 30% possession just so we can earn the right to play in the premier league where we'll aim to play even more direct in the hope we can scrap 38 points and finish 17th, only to repeat it year after year till we eventually, invevitably fail.

We tried the champagne football under Mowbray.

The dingles play a counter attacking game which relies on players who in the main have cost around £15m each. 2 of them are imo a waste of money in Costa and troare (£18m for sub).

In the prem attractive football costs a lot of money and even then it isn't guaranteed.

On paper Palace have a great offensive squad yet only scored 19 at home.

You're only as good as as your strikers as odemwingie and lakuku proved for us and that has been hughton failing at BHA, but is a failing that also affected Huddersfield and Cardiff and the rest, like Palace survived on their defences.

Yes, attractive football is brilliant, but imo winning football is better.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2019, 10:09:55 PM
If we can't convince Jokanovic then Hughton is my pick.


No more average ex-players, with a 'knowledge of the club'.


Rip them out root and stem...  8)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Blowee on May 15, 2019, 10:13:00 PM
Hughton - not for me - gets into negative/defensive mode too easily, think we should look at somebody up and coming who wants to make a name for themselves - we need to be brave
Have to agree. For me Hughton will make us a solid difficult to beat Championship team not unlike Pulis did in the Premier League. I'd give him until Christmas before we were all complaining about dull football and a lack of entertainment and calling for him to be sacked.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 10:19:59 PM
Have to agree. For me Hughton will make us a solid difficult to beat Championship team not unlike Pulis did in the Premier League. I'd give him until Christmas before we were all complaining about dull football and a lack of entertainment and calling for him to be sacked.

You clearly didn’t watch his promotion-winning Norwich and Brighton sides.  Check the stats. 90 and 74 goals.
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Post by: Dan on May 15, 2019, 10:28:59 PM
You clearly didn’t watch his promotion-winning Norwich and Brighton sides.  Check the stats. 90 and 74 goals.

We scored 80 odd goals this season but you could hardly say we've been anything close to entertaining in the vast majority of those games. Particularly under Shan were we've been extremely direct with very little technical ability but still got plenty of goals.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 10:31:22 PM
In the unlikely event that Jenkins doesn't balls it up we have to put in his contract that he promises not bring Jacob Murphy back to us, despite him giving him his debut.

Absolutely terrible player, but one that makes me feel a scintilla less angry about the Burke, as it appears many teams have their own expensive donkey signings with the likes of traore and Costa at the dings.
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Post by: Blowee on May 15, 2019, 10:31:44 PM
You clearly didn’t watch his promotion-winning Norwich and Brighton sides.  Check the stats. 90 and 74 goals.
I have to admit I saw little of Brighton's promotion season but have read a number of comments from Norwich fans who have all claimed that his style was very uninspiring. If he is appointed I hope that you are right and we get something to cheer about. I guess a lot depends upon the squad of players that would be available.
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 15, 2019, 10:32:01 PM
If we're going to consider Hughton, surely Moyes must be in the frame then ;D
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Post by: Blowee on May 15, 2019, 10:41:53 PM
You clearly didn’t watch his promotion-winning Norwich and Brighton sides.  Check the stats. 90 and 74 goals.
Just to add to this - here is an interest view from both Brighton and Norwich fans,

 "Negative football
One of the biggest bugbears that Brighton supporters seem to have with Hughton is his negative approach to games, which is best summed up by the recent record-breaking 12 hours and 15 minutes that we managed to go without a goal. Connor tells us that Norwich fans had similar complaints.

“It’s fair to say it was negative. Norwich fans struggle to recall any performances under Hughton that provoke any ounce of excitement, to be honest."
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 10:42:16 PM
I have to admit I saw little of Brighton's promotion season but have read a number of comments from Norwich fans who have all claimed that his style was very uninspiring. If he is appointed I hope that you are right and we get something to cheer about. I guess a lot depends upon the squad of players that would be available.

I think the Norwich fans were more negative about the following season when they went up, without investing in new players.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 10:45:57 PM
Just to add to this - here is an interest view from both Brighton and Norwich fans,

 "Negative football
One of the biggest bugbears that Brighton supporters seem to have with Hughton is his negative approach to games, which is best summed up by the recent record-breaking 12 hours and 15 minutes that we managed to go without a goal. Connor tells us that Norwich fans had similar complaints.

“It’s fair to say it was negative. Norwich fans struggle to recall any performances under Hughton that provoke any ounce of excitement, to be honest."

They are talking about when in the Premier League. A different ballgame altogether.   Norwich didn’t invest at all when they went up.  Brighton did, not not until this season when they still had the third lowest wage bill yet didn’t finish in the top 3.

All managers struggle at one point, even the very best ones. The good ones learn from their mistakes and do things differently the next time round.  The bad ones just keep repeating their mistakes.

Let’s get there first.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 10:46:31 PM
If we're going to consider Hughton, surely Moyes must be in the frame then ;D

Nope !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on May 15, 2019, 10:48:28 PM
I doubt it will happen but personally I'd like Monk to manage us. He plays good football and seems a decent bloke.
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Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2019, 10:48:45 PM
Matt Wilson. Said Hughton and Cowley early front runners. Interested in Viera too.
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Post by: Blowee on May 15, 2019, 10:50:22 PM
They are talking about when in the Premier League. A different ballgame altogether.   Norwich didn’t invest at all when they went up.  Brighton did, not not until this season when they still had the third lowest wage bill yet didn’t finish in the top 3.

All managers struggle at one point, even the very best ones. The good ones learn from their mistakes and do things differently the next time round.  The bad ones just keep repeating their mistakes.

Let’s get there first.
My head in a way says that you are right but my heart still wants a football revolution with someone like Graham Potter coming in a building a team from scratch.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 15, 2019, 10:53:07 PM
Maybe after Leeds implosion, Bielsa might become available. With financial backing he would play football we would all enjoy.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 11:06:55 PM
Don't like hypocritical Burnley, but I read somwhere that they operate on a £58m wage bill, which I am sure leaves enough for the likes of Barry "West brom get an illegal subsidy" Kilby a nice little earner.

Amazingly low wage bill, but a very unattractive workmanlike team.

I'd take Dyche in the unlikely event he becomes available as his recruitment is quite exceptional, but who else here would?
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2019, 11:38:59 PM
Don't like hypocritical Burnley, but I read somwhere that they operate on a £58m wage bill, which I am sure leaves enough for the likes of Barry "West brom get an illegal subsidy" Kilby a nice little earner.

Amazingly low wage bill, but a very unattractive workmanlike team.

I'd take Dyche in the unlikely event he becomes available as his recruitment is quite exceptional, but who else here would?

Not a prayer of him leaving Burnley
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Post by: timdon on May 15, 2019, 11:50:27 PM
My head in a way says that you are right but my heart still wants a football revolution with someone like Graham Potter coming in a building a team from scratch.
That's what my head says. It's exactly what we need, a good young coach with a 3 year plan.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 11:50:40 PM
Not a prayer of him leaving Burnley

That's not the question I asked though is it, it's with those wages and the pulisesque football would they take him if was to become available?
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Post by: vrabbit on May 16, 2019, 12:40:58 AM
I doubt it will happen but personally I'd like Monk to manage us. He plays good football and seems a decent bloke.

I've been wanting him appointed since we fired Pulis TBH
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Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 12:43:00 AM
Telegraph reporting that we will be speaking to CH next week.
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Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2019, 12:47:20 AM
Interesting developments quick run through some of the names before some more detailed thoughts on current favourite Chris Hughton.

Vieira.  Odd name to be linked but he is already Head Coach in Ligue 1 at Nice who are certainly not minnows even if they are a step below PSG and Lyon. Their last two coaches left to take up positions at Southampton and Dortmund and that is the direction of travel for Patrick Vieira rather than the Albion.

Dan Cowley. When you feel the need to defend the way you play football in League 2 you can rest assured that it is pig ugly. I am not adverse to giving the role to an up and coming coach from outside the top two teirs but, no.

Hughton seems to be the favourite so is worth considering a little bit more closely in particular the apparent paradox of his teams scoring lots of goals in the championship and the virtual disapperance of Brighton as an attacking entity in the second half of this season which basically lead to his dismissal.

Hughton is in the same pragmatic camp as Benetiz,Mourinho, Pulis and Moyes (among others) He shares a fondness like other members of the group for a 4-2-3-1. This formation has two basic modes an offensive and a defensive one. In offensive mode the deep sitting double pivot is used to pin opponents in their own half free the front 4 to play and under more attack minded managers the full backs also push high up to provide additional wide options.

The defensive mode is sees the deep sitting block form which in it's extreme form sees the double pivot play just in front of the back four the full backs tuck in and the two wide players drop deep as auxiliary full backs. The 10 may also drop deep leaving a lone striker as the only out ball. This is Pulisball because Pulis seldom if ever moves out of this mode almost regardless of opposition or game situation.

Nearly every other manager is tends to switch between the two modes based on the relative strength of the opposition and game situation. Typically when confronted with superior opposition they will tend to be cautious and when there is a need to get a "result"  often the default mode is defensive. However when confronted by inferior opposition particularly at home they play on the front foot and often rack up big scores like Mourinho's championship winning Chelsea teams.

Specifically Hughton has managed Newcastle and Brighton at Championship level and certainly Newcastle would have had a very strong squad and Brighton's would certainly been above the league average. Hence the goals. in the Premier League however he has reverted to a more defensive version to grind out the neccassary points first at Norwich and now at Brighton. This is understanable but another tendancy that he shares with this group of managers is when the pressure grows they tend to become more defensive until they get to a position of relative safety and boy is it dull to watch.

If he has a relatively strong squad in the Championship he will be fine but the problem will be if and when we are promoted. I would much prefer to develop an attacking possession based style in the Championship and then have the balls to carry it into the Premier League if we are promoted.

And the hypothetical Dyche question what he achieved at Burnley is remarkable but no it is as unwatchable as Pulisball. That is what it boils down to I have to watch it and I just don't like the way many of these managers play the game.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2019, 02:12:48 AM
Interesting developments quick run through some of the names before some more detailed thoughts on current favourite Chris Hughton.

Vieira.  Odd name to be linked but he is already Head Coach in Ligue 1 at Nice who are certainly not minnows even if they are a step below PSG and Lyon. Their last two coaches left to take up positions at Southampton and Dortmund and that is the direction of travel for Patrick Vieira rather than the Albion.

Dan Cowley. When you feel the need to defend the way you play football in League 2 you can rest assured that it is pig ugly. I am not adverse to giving the role to an up and coming coach from outside the top two teirs but, no.

Hughton seems to be the favourite so is worth considering a little bit more closely in particular the apparent paradox of his teams scoring lots of goals in the championship and the virtual disapperance of Brighton as an attacking entity in the second half of this season which basically lead to his dismissal.

Hughton is in the same pragmatic camp as Benetiz,Mourinho, Pulis and Moyes (among others) He shares a fondness like other members of the group for a 4-2-3-1. This formation has two basic modes an offensive and a defensive one. In offensive mode the deep sitting double pivot is used to pin opponents in their own half free the front 4 to play and under more attack minded managers the full backs also push high up to provide additional wide options.

The defensive mode is sees the deep sitting block form which in it's extreme form sees the double pivot play just in front of the back four the full backs tuck in and the two wide players drop deep as auxiliary full backs. The 10 may also drop deep leaving a lone striker as the only out ball. This is Pulisball because Pulis seldom if ever moves out of this mode almost regardless of opposition or game situation.

Nearly every other manager is tends to switch between the two modes based on the relative strength of the opposition and game situation. Typically when confronted with superior opposition they will tend to be cautious and when there is a need to get a "result"  often the default mode is defensive. However when confronted by inferior opposition particularly at home they play on the front foot and often rack up big scores like Mourinho's championship winning Chelsea teams.

Specifically Hughton has managed Newcastle and Brighton at Championship level and certainly Newcastle would have had a very strong squad and Brighton's would certainly been above the league average. Hence the goals. in the Premier League however he has reverted to a more defensive version to grind out the neccassary points first at Norwich and now at Brighton. This is understanable but another tendancy that he shares with this group of managers is when the pressure grows they tend to become more defensive until they get to a position of relative safety and boy is it dull to watch.

If he has a relatively strong squad in the Championship he will be fine but the problem will be if and when we are promoted. I would much prefer to develop an attacking possession based style in the Championship and then have the balls to carry it into the Premier League if we are promoted.

And the hypothetical Dyche question what he achieved at Burnley is remarkable but no it is as unwatchable as Pulisball. That is what it boils down to I have to watch it and I just don't like the way many of these managers play the game.


Your thoughts on Roy Hodgson, who you might as well be describing regards your thoughts on Hughton. Cheers.
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Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2019, 07:02:13 AM

Your thoughts on Roy Hodgson, who you might as well be describing regards your thoughts on Hughton. Cheers.

Yes as I said there are quite a few established coaches that are similar. In defence of Roy he doesn't retreat as far into his shell as Hughton has particularly this season.

It is debateable as to how far this style of football can carry a team. I was listening to a podcast the other day and the discussion was on which of the Premier League teams might step up into the top 6 should United continue to slide next season. While Wolves and Nunes were much admired to actually break the top 6 the view was that to accumulate enough additional points he needed to find a few more forward gears.

The danager with this type of coach is that at some point in the future will get left behind at all levels of the game while fine for grinding out survival it isn't enough if you want to win stuff e.g. promotion then this style needs to be jetisoned 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on May 16, 2019, 07:44:40 AM
That's not the question I asked though is it, it's with those wages and the pulisesque football would they take him if was to become available?

I would sincerely hope not
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiebof on May 16, 2019, 07:48:08 AM
[quote author=Standaman link=topic=23098.msg661555#msg661555

If he has a relatively strong squad in the Championship he will be fine but the problem will be if and when we are promoted. I would much prefer to develop an attacking possession based style in the Championship and then have the balls to carry it into the Premier League if we are promoted.

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Exactly where I am.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2019, 08:01:59 AM
The trouble with an expansive, attacking style of play is that it is very difficult for newly promoted clubs to implement successfully  because you are trying to play fire with fire against some of the worlds best players.

It's fine to play that way if you are Liverpool or Man City and clubs down to the levels of Everton / Leicester can do it to some extent because they have had years to recruit better players. When you go up from the Championship if you want to survive you have to be more pragmatic. Someone like Graham Potter may produce a top class Championship team like Swansea may well become but in the Premier League it won't work consistently.

Wolves have done it exactly the right way they play a counter attacking game that can succeed in the Premier League. The next step for them is to continue to play the same way but to bring in even better players to do it (and that's hard). Then if they can achieve that then and only then is it logical to try and play a more expansive type of football.

The positive regarding Hughton is he has adapted to what division he's managing in. His teams have tended to be a bit less pragmatic in the Championship than they have in the Premier League. Even then he's no Pulis.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on May 16, 2019, 09:01:46 AM
[quote author=Standaman link=topic=23098.msg661555#msg661555

If he has a relatively strong squad in the Championship he will be fine but the problem will be if and when we are promoted. I would much prefer to develop an attacking possession based style in the Championship and then have the balls to carry it into the Premier League if we are promoted.



Exactly where I am.

Unless you had the personnel, it would be suicidal to go into the premier league thinking you can outplay majority of the teams.

Norwich play some nice football, plenty of quick passing, I guarantee if they continue that style next season they will get picked apart by any of the top 10 teams.

I think we are looking to far ahead, this summer a big rebuild is required, we need someone who can deliver that and build a decent enough team to challenge next year. Let's not even worry/think about the Premier League, as we are nowhere near it yet.

Let's get the best man in for the job. If the board think that's Hughton then so be it, we as fans need to back him, we saw on Tuesday night what a full stadium that back the players on the pitch can do, they put in a solid performance and looked absolutely shattered. Would they have done that if the crowd was negative, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on May 16, 2019, 09:21:16 AM
I can see the value of establishing a more open passing based style from scratch and I'd love this (I enjoyed it with Mowbray but don't think we've really attempted it since), but I think we have to be realistic and accept that the club has been moulded for probably ten years now around a more pragmatic, defensive based style based.  I'd compare our current position squad wise to the time just before Megson took over. In the late 90s, we'd had a few years of switching managers often, had lost our way and were left with some older, overpaid players who needed replacing. The club culture needed an overhaul.  At the time, we know Megson was a bit of a revolution and built a solid foundation to build from which began a phase where we were able to evolve - peaking around 10 years later. He changed the culture for the better. This needs to be absolutely right before style now!

Hopefully it doesn't take 10 years to get us back to mid table premier league playing much better football than we have been but I think to get there, first we have to change culture (back to aspiring to improve instead of being good enough) and lay some stronger foundations than we have at the moment.

Hughton for all of the criticism of style, seems to leave clubs in decent shape, not in debt and if someone is there to help avoid some his more costly transfer mistakes on forwards he seems to make from time to time, I think he could potentially leave us in decent shape to evolve further whatever happens (he's been at Newcastle, Norwich and now Brighton and generally left them better off on the whole).

Of course, I probably sound too careful with this approach but Mowbray came into what was already a very good squad and tweaked it to make us into an entertaining if painfully , idealistically naive team in the premier league. Wolves have built a very good side but have spent over 100m in process and have deep connections with Mendes we just don't have. We can't do it that way so in the absence of spending our way to a good team  we need to build it step by step.

 

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: dangerman on May 16, 2019, 10:39:54 AM
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on May 16, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.
Think they did have a target or two at the point of sacking ,Jocanavic was one for sure .
Alan Nixon reported we needed to "get real " with our offer to both him and I think Moyes which as usual will be the sticking point.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on May 16, 2019, 11:01:39 AM
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.

Jokanovic was the man they wanted when they got rid of Moore.

I'm guessing initial discussions would have been positive and that's why the club acted, then probably for one reason or another (main ones more than likely being wages and transfer budgets) that didn't happen.

I think the fact we didn't appoint anyone else was further proof that we wanted Jokanovic. I never really brought into Alex Neil rumours to be honest, and fair play to him for using it to his advantages to get a better contract.

I don't have faith in the current heirachy to oversee a big overhaul of the playing staff and the style of football, that's why for me I think Hughton is the best fit.

Championship experience, premier league experience, has won promotion a couple of times. well respected within football.

I have said before though, if he comes in - I think that's the end of Rodriguez here, really cant see Jay wanting to stay if Hughton is named boss.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: loucanova on May 16, 2019, 11:17:00 AM
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Aztech on May 16, 2019, 11:19:53 AM
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.

Whilst Cowley at Lincoln has done very well the past few seasons, he has done so playing a brand of football similar to what Megson provided, certainly not entertaining if that's what the vast majority of fans want.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 16, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
Whilst Cowley at Lincoln has done very well the past few seasons, he has done so playing a brand of football similar to what Megson provided, certainly not entertaining if that's what the vast majority of fans want.

Cowley's brand of football makes Pulis look like Guardiola.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on May 16, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
Matt Wilson. Said Hughton and Cowley early front runners. Interested in Viera too.

I would have Viera in a heartbeat, the bloke is a winner, not used to losing and played with  the most attractive sides in football.
What could we possibly offer him to come here from Nice though, and who would buy out his contract?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 16, 2019, 11:51:47 AM
Yep he also said that Viera would be extremely tough/costly to tempt away.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on May 16, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.
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I had suggested Stendel just after DM got sacked, think it might be a little harder to tempt him here now that Barnsley have been promoted.

Expectations there will be to just stay up I imagine and anything else is a bonus so he may see it as a safer option to stay there a bit longer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 16, 2019, 12:23:47 PM
I would have Viera in a heartbeat, the bloke is a winner, not used to losing and played with  the most attractive sides in football.
What could we possibly offer him to come here from Nice though, and who would buy out his contract?

the same could be argued for Tierry Henry but I wouldn't want him.

 Vieira has a 38.4% win percentage with Nice scoring less than a goal a game (32 in 39 games) with an overall goal difference of -6 (32/38)  Of the 39 games they've won 15, drew 12 lost 12......not the most inspiring stats I've read.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Vieira#Coaching_career
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
the same could be argued for Tierry Henry but I wouldn't want him.

 Vieira has a 38.4% win percentage with Nice scoring less than a goal a game (32 in 39 games) with an overall goal difference of -6 (32/38)  Of the 39 games they've won 15, drew 12 lost 12......not the most inspiring stats I've read.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Vieira#Coaching_career


I was just about to post very similar.

Let's just appoint a name eh?

Due diligence anyone?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on May 16, 2019, 12:40:48 PM
What type the new managers success is will depend on what we do with our current players.

If we retain most of the current squad, they have shown their limitations, then we would be best to go for a Hughton. They will be organised, well drilled, workman like and probably pretty effective at this level, there would be no point getting in a jokanovic for our current squad.

I like Hughton and if the above scenario is the case (ie - we keep most of the squad) he would be the obvious choice, i like him as a bloke and think he would do a decent job, i wouldnt be disappointed with Hughton but he wouldnt get the juices flowing.

I think after 3 of our previous 4 permanent mangers have been Irvine, Pulis and Pardew, as a fan i want somebody to get excited about.

If we have a big clearout then i would like to see a new manager coming in who can build his own team, have an identity and ideally play positive football, if we got to the premier league it would be nice to see that then carried on.

Bournemouth have shown it can be done and they gradually built from league two, Southampton did it, stayed up, then reverted to more caution but are now trying to play on the front foot. Wolves have shown it can be done, abeit with well funded and well connected owners.

I hope Norwich go up and have a real good go, their fans are buzzing as they know this time it looks like they will try and different approach to getting to the magical 40 points. I hope Derby if they go up do well too as they play positive football.

I think with three of the bottom four teams Brighton, Cardiff and Huddersfield all mainly being quite cautious in their approach, it shows that even playing that way doesnt mean survival so why not try another way if / once you get there, thats why i hope our new manager has a new squad and create a new identity for us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 16, 2019, 01:22:14 PM
I'm not bothered about 'a name'
Vierra and Henry ?  ;D
Fantastic footballers but neither have done anything in management to warrant any serious attention.
I wan't somebody that can assemble a team of footballers that can play football the way we did when Mowbray was here. If Mowbray was interested I'd have him back.
I'm sick of managers being appointed that 'know the club' That means they are basically mates with the players. I want a manager that manages his way not one that cowers to player pressure.
Get a manager in that can build a side then give him the tools to do the job
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
Surprised there are no takers for Dyche.

I would love him here.

I just don't think the panacea of this Barca style football on our budget is possible is possible long term.

You may get it to work in the short term in the prem but then your cultured players will be sold and you won't be able to replace them so easily as there is not a conveyor belt of them as everyone wants that type of player.

A bit like Southampton played some good stuff when they came up and then sold the best ones to Liverpool and who despite having a massive catchment area to produce players from their excellent academy, sell them and find it hard to replace them and then suffer, whilst the likes of puel are driven out whilst do relatively well because they all want champagne football.

Personally, I would take winning football anyway it came, I loved the god Megson era and some of the pulis reign when we battering, ironically, Burnley.

Imo it is the pep's of this world who have hundreds of millions to spend that created this entertainment business.

To me it has always been a sport and winning was what mattered and everything else is a bonus.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 16, 2019, 02:15:00 PM
Has anyone got faith in the executives of this club to appoint a decent manager?  I have none.  I have no idea of the criteria they use to select a manager... and if they're sticking to them them?  I have no confidence in them picking the 'right' man.

I think you have to go back to 2011 and Roy Hodgson sinc they picked a good one, and that was down to Ashton rather than anyone else.  Steve Clarke (a coach right under their nose). Pepe Mel (didn't have the right players). Alan Irvine (not sure what he bought to the party). Pulis (did a good rescue job, but it should have ended there). Pardew (just no idea). Moore (could be a good manager with some experience).  And the last 2 months where they couldn't be bothered to appoint anyone.  This is not including Dowling, Kelly, Megson and Shan (as space fillers).

I think that if we're going to try to hang on to some of the more well know players we have then Hughton is a good choice.  If we're going to sell the better known players then Jokanovic would be a good choice.  So the strategy of the club is important... and I'm not sure we have one of those either.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 16, 2019, 03:17:25 PM
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 16, 2019, 03:25:26 PM
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.

Strikes me as speculative journalism to be honest. I would suggest that Simon Stone has been reading this forum and made a story out of it.

Even a chimp can work out that Hughton is available and may be on the Albion radar.

No 'a spokesperson from the club has confirmed....'etc, just his take on a blindingly obvious story.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on May 16, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.
If all the rumours are true then there seems little in the way of cohesive planning.

Hughton - Out of work, so technically free although wage expectations would be fairly high. Good record of promotion from this league. Plays ok football in Champ, not overly expansive or defensive, fairly mainstream

Cowley - In work but in lower leagues so compensation not excessive nor would his wage expectations be. Plays god awful football and makes no apologies for it.

Viera - In work in Ligue 1 so compensation would be high as would wage demands. Little experience to go on so no real idea of his style of play but record average at best.

I hope these are all just paper talk as they just seem far too different. I would like us to have an idea of what we are looking for and interviewing managers that fit the model rather than just a scattergun approach. Smacks of an accountant pulling the strings and testing the various waters from a financial stand point.
If Dowling has any sway (if indeed he exists at all. Have him and Jenkins ever been seen in the same room) he should be laying down a blueprint of how the playing side of things should move forward and identifying managers that fit the model.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on May 16, 2019, 03:34:47 PM

I was just about to post very similar.

Let's just appoint a name eh?

Due diligence anyone?

No not just because he's a name. But he's young, ambitious, plays attractive high tempo football and is used to being a winner. Isn't that the criteria fans are asking for?
I wanted Dean Smith last season for exactly the same reasons , and he isn't a name.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 16, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Is biesla too far fetched?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
No not just because he's a name. But he's young, ambitious, plays attractive high tempo football and is used to being a winner. Isn't that the criteria fans are asking for?
I wanted Dean Smith last season for exactly the same reasons , and he isn't a name.


He doesn't play high tempo or attractive football. If he does given his stats he's not just bad at it he's bloody awful.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 16, 2019, 03:40:34 PM
Strikes me as speculative journalism to be honest. I would suggest that Simon Stone has been reading this forum and made a story out of it.

Even a chimp can work out that Hughton is available and may be on the Albion radar.

No 'a spokesperson from the club has confirmed....'etc, just his take on a blindingly obvious story.

The Telegraphs John Percy, who is normally reliable and the nearest to a club spokesperson we have  ;) has written that the board will be meeting with Hughton next week, but as for the other names,  I suspect you are right,lazy journalism!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: leeiswba on May 16, 2019, 04:23:53 PM
Is biesla too far fetched?

I would say so, why would he leave Leeds and come here?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on May 16, 2019, 04:25:57 PM
I would say so, why would he leave Leeds and come here?

because he has been sacked ?  It wouldn't surprise me at leeds.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 16, 2019, 04:38:32 PM
The boards Criteria will be as per always.

The guy needs to be out of work. Needs to be Cheap. Mustn't demand too much of the club in way of money to spend. Must be a Yes man for the board.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
The Telegraphs John Percy, who is normally reliable and the nearest to a club spokesperson we have  ;) has written that the board will be meeting with Hughton next week, but as for the other names,  I suspect you are right,lazy journalism!

To be fair Percy has name checked Vieira and Jokanović in the same article.

Cowley seems to be being mentioned by the Express & Star and BBC but who is reporting whom there is anyones guess.

If I had to bet on anyone my money would be Hughton. Frankly anyone else seems a long shot.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 16, 2019, 05:44:24 PM
I think it’s obvious that if Hughton wants it, he will get it. Cowley apparently plays Pulis esque football and is extremely unproven at this level - that would be a huge gamble.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 05:53:10 PM
I think it’s obvious that if Hughton wants it, he will get it. Cowley apparently plays Pulis esque football and is extremely unproven at this level - that would be a huge gamble.

I only hope it is true and that he is not on any gardening leave and is actually free to join us.

Having him at the helm would make more positive than I have been in a long time our manager.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on May 16, 2019, 06:12:45 PM
I like the sound of Cowley, he is clearly a great manager at the lower levels...whether that can be translated to the Championship is unknown, but he is somewhat experienced with a good track record. I know the Sheffield United manager started under similar lower-league circumstances.

In terms of ugly football, Hughton isn't too far off Pulis anyway.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 16, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
£500K compensation for Cowley, cannot see us paying it when other freebies are available, still expecting Appleton personally

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7037771/Lincoln-boss-Danny-Cowley-cost-West-Brom-just-500-000.html
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 06:52:19 PM
£500K compensation for Cowley, cannot see us paying it when other freebies are available, still expecting Appleton personally

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7037771/Lincoln-boss-Danny-Cowley-cost-West-Brom-just-500-000.html

If we pay this then we are mad, we might as well go for Mickey Mellon.

If we aren't going to get CH then we could look at Paul Cook at Wigan, he can bring nick Powell with him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2019, 06:52:52 PM
£500k for a pound shop Pulis!!

Hughton is looking like a more exciting proposition by the minute.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on May 16, 2019, 07:08:52 PM
If we go with another hit and hope negative manager then I’m done with the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ranvir wba90 on May 16, 2019, 07:30:36 PM
Aitor Karanka would be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: section5 on May 16, 2019, 07:39:55 PM
Think id rather Hughton. Karanka has a history of spitting his dummy out and aren't too dissimilar in style to each other 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbako on May 16, 2019, 07:40:24 PM
I mentioned Cowley a month or two ago.

I didn't realise so many of our fans watched Lincoln regularly, as many have a good knowledge of his playing style. Personally, I am immensely impressed with his record and he obviously has something about him. Give him a chance, I say.

 Hughton hardly plays Guardiola style football, does he?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2019, 07:41:50 PM
Aitor Karanka would be a good appointment.


We've had pound shop Pulis and now Foreign Pulis is mooted...


I didn't sit through the Pulis years to go back to that. If only we hadn't sacked TP, he could have gone at the end of the season while we were still a PL club and we could have built from there.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2019, 07:42:36 PM
I mentioned Cowley a month or two ago.

I didn't realise so many of our fans watched Lincoln regularly, as many have a good knowledge of his playing style. Personally, I am immensely impressed with his record and he obviously has something about him. Give him a chance, I say.

 Hughton hardly plays Guardiola style football, does he?


Problem with Cowley is it's virtually John Beck unwatchable.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 16, 2019, 07:49:26 PM

Problem with Cowley is it's virtually John Beck unwatchable.

I've not seen much Lincoln, but if that's true, he's a non-starter.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbako on May 16, 2019, 07:52:32 PM

Problem with Cowley is it's virtually John Beck unwatchable.

Look, I can't profess to have seen much of Lincoln (think I've seen about 2 games in two seasons), but it can't be as bad as people are saying, surely?

I watched Brighton against Spurs a few weeks ago and it made Pulis look like total football.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lindenbaggie on May 16, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
So many to choose from, so we can speculate as much as we want. David Moyes would do for me. Won't get him though because our ambitions wouldn't necessarily match his. Worth a chat to find out though, like we did with Hodgson.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on May 16, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
Failing to win promotion will I suspect have put a serious  limitation on who we could afford or attract. Whilst I would like to see a youngish foreign coach because I genuine!y believe they are technical!ly and tactically better, reality says it will be somebody from our current level or below , for me in this category two of the better appointments (discounting Potter) would be either the bloke at Barnsley or Mark Robins.
Disappointing that the powers that be still don't seem to have any idea  who they want as I would have thought we should have had two shortlists drawn up ready to take action !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: caravanc58 on May 16, 2019, 08:26:36 PM
I'd like to see Lee Johnson from Bristol City get the job, plays decent football with enough experience at this level.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on May 16, 2019, 08:30:37 PM
I think we should get Hughton in at this stage and stop messing around. Then give him the biggest budget we can and move heaven and earth to resign Gayle permanently. Without him we are screwed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Westie on May 16, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
Please, please not Hughton. I’ve never liked the bloke, a miserable git. I would quite like the Monk from Brum but can’t see our board paying the compensation. I’d rather have Allardyce than Hughton and I don’t want him either!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 09:10:36 PM

Problem with Cowley is it's virtually John Beck unwatchable.

Better start growing that grass longer in the corners then
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 16, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
I am really impressed with everyone's knowledge of Lincoln City, maybe some of you might try watching the Baggies sometime. ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2019, 09:32:25 PM
Better start growing that grass longer in the corners then


What's Dion Dublin up to?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nathan on May 16, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
Please, please not Hughton. I’ve never liked the bloke, a miserable git. I would quite like the Monk from Brum but can’t see our board paying the compensation. I’d rather have Allardyce than Hughton and I don’t want him either!

My thoughts exactly, and those were my feelings long before he accused us of singing racist songs in the cup replay and urging the FA to act when absolutely nothing of the sort was being sung or chanted. Should have got his facts rights before slagging us off to the press. Absolute toss pot.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Aztech on May 16, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I am really impressed with everyone's knowledge of Lincoln City, maybe some of you might try watching the Baggies sometime. ;)

You are not Mark Jenkins are you?

Oblivious to the strengths and weakness of alternative management options!  ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: smosher34 on May 16, 2019, 09:54:56 PM

What's Dion Dublin up to?
homes under the hammer :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on May 16, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
Look, I can't profess to have seen much of Lincoln (think I've seen about 2 games in two seasons), but it can't be as bad as people are saying, surely?

I watched Brighton against Spurs a few weeks ago and it made Pulis look like total football.

If I was a Brighton fan i would have been raging at that performance it was cowardly.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 10:31:44 PM

What's Dion Dublin up to?

Probably trying to avoid Alex Ferguson and his measuring tape in the showers.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 16, 2019, 10:56:06 PM
You are not Mark Jenkins are you?

Oblivious to the strengths and weakness of alternative management options!  ;)
Not at all, I will be there home and away whoever the manager is, not getting stressed about it, all this "if it's him that's me finished" nonsense. I know quite a lot about Chris Hughton and his career, I know little of Danny Cowley, except that he is a winner in the lower leagues .There is no guarantee that any manager will fit the bill. Too many managers being being labelled as "Pulis type" on here based on heresay.
As for Mark Jenkins , he has a big decision to make, and he has already made mistakes , but he is not entirely to blame for the position we are in. His predecessors who paid £100k per week to players who contributed nothing to the club are more culpable.
I have some empathy with the guy, whoever he chooses will be the wrong choice for many.......we wait with bated breath
 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: albionden on May 16, 2019, 11:16:55 PM
In 180mins of football against Wolves last season, Hughtons Brighton managed 1 shot on target in total (admittedly it did result in a 1-0 victory) Is this the type of football we really want to watch ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2019, 11:35:20 PM
I agree with the comment that there does not seem to be a consistent thread in the candidates that the board are considering

Jokanović, Neil, Hughton, Vieira, and Cowley. The only consistent theme is results in that they all have got teams promoted with the exception of Vieira. Yet in terms of style they could not be more divergent. Obviously the huge proviso is that all of this is speculation based on media reports and if you ditched the more pragmatic options looks a lot less scattergun. It is questionable based on the reports if the board have a clear idea of what they want to achieve with this appointment other than casting around for the quickest route to promotion.

It takes little or no effort to find out that Cowley's style is Pulisball. Lincoln's style of play is noteworthy because even by league 2 standards it is pretty basic and there is plenty of informed comment to that effect.

I think we should get Hughton in at this stage and stop messing around. Then give him the biggest budget we can and move heaven and earth to resign Gayle permanently. Without him we are screwed.

The 2 things are mutually incompatible. Get Hughton who plays with a lone target man and then pull out all the stops to recruit a player who does not fit the bill. If you want Gayle then you need a manager whose teams pass the ball and line up in a 3-5-2 or a 4-3-3.

In 180mins of football against Wolves last season, Hughtons Brighton managed 1 shot on target in total (admittedly it did result in a 1-0 victory) Is this the type of football we really want to watch ?

No not really but assuming he has a squad which is above average in the Championship it won't be quite that crabby next season the problem arises if we get promotion.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 11:36:25 PM
In 180mins of football against Wolves last season, Hughtons Brighton managed 1 shot on target in total (admittedly it did result in a 1-0 victory) Is this the type of football we really want to watch ?

No, I prefer to lose 5-4 every week and a drop to tier 3.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: albionden on May 16, 2019, 11:50:21 PM
here's a novelty, how about somewhere between the two ? ? ? 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 12:26:35 AM
here's a novelty, how about somewhere between the two ? ? ?

Hughton is in the middle, as his goals for in tier 2 far exceeds pulis, but he clearly has a problem, like most in the prem finding a prolific striker.

Get a good scouting system and with a bit of luck we find more odemwingies and lakaku's and less brown ideye's and we can progress.

He got to a fa cup semi (with all those extra games with a smallish squad and replays) and prem safety, yet here are some turning their nose up to him too.

Reality check, Pep ain't coming.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 17, 2019, 08:11:09 AM
I like the sound of Cowley, he is clearly a great manager at the lower levels...whether that can be translated to the Championship is unknown, but he is somewhat experienced with a good track record. I know the Sheffield United manager started under similar lower-league circumstances.

In terms of ugly football, Hughton isn't too far off Pulis anyway.
Isn't it at Lincoln where they play a bloody air raid siren every time they get a corner.
Says it all for me no!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 08:34:56 AM
Hughton is in the middle, as his goals for in tier 2 far exceeds pulis, but he clearly has a problem, like most in the prem finding a prolific striker.

Get a good scouting system and with a bit of luck we find more odemwingies and lakaku's and less brown ideye's and we can progress.

He got to a fa cup semi (with all those extra games with a smallish squad and replays) and prem safety, yet here are some turning their nose up to him too.

Reality check, Pep ain't coming.




The Pep to Pulis scale. Two extremes is there a happy medium? If Pulis is zero and Pep 10 who is 5? It is not possible to be less attacking than Pulis so almost by default everybody else is at least 1. In the Premier League it probably is Nunes.

Although most coaches  don't sit in the middle ground most cluster toward one end or other of scale. Either fundametally defensive in their approach or attack minded.

If you look at Hughton's Brighton this season they have low possession and low shot volumes not just in comparison with the top 6 but their peers. Bolt Agüero onto the front of the team and it still might not fix the problem. The argument might be better applied to Huddersfield or Cardiff.

I think you have to accept that Hughton's Brighton were properly bad this year. That is fine he has plenty of depth to his CV that suggests in the right environment he would be a decent appointment.

Oddly enough looking at similar stats for Nice would suggest that Vieria was a coach who lacked the striker. His team posted only slightly below average shot numbers had the third highest possession but a really poor scoring record.

Isn't it at Lincoln where they play a bloody air raid siren every time they get a corner.
Says it all for me no!

It is!! Seriously No just No. I think we are being played here leak the rumour it could be Cowley and Hughton suddenly looks like Pep.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pie on May 17, 2019, 08:41:37 AM
Isn't it at Lincoln where they play a bloody air raid siren every time they get a corner.
Says it all for me no!

Yes it is, I went to watch Linoln v Yeovil (some of my mates are Yeovil fans and I went along for a laugh and a night out).

The first time the siren went off I wet myself at the hilarity of it (after initially thinking a fire alarm had gone off).

The game itself was atrocious, the fact that Yeovil were in terrible form about to be relegated, and Lincoln top of the league they hardly blew them away. It was a scrappy 1-0 to Lincoln. I know it's a one off game and I haven't seen Lincoln play otherwise but I wouldn't be excited at the prospect of Cowley.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on May 17, 2019, 08:54:42 AM
At the end of the day does it really matter who we want or who we don't want? We have no say whatsoever in it so whoever it is we will have to get behind anyway
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on May 17, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
At the end of the day does it really matter who we want or who we don't want? We have no say whatsoever in it so whoever it is we will have to get behind anyway
I think it matters certainly. It matters to people who are undecided about buying or renewing a season ticket for example. Should the new coach be perceived to be Pulisesque then many undecideds probably wouldn't get one should we appoint Bob Taylor for example the tkt office staff would get killed in the rush to buy so yes it matters !! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
At the end of the day does it really matter who we want or who we don't want? We have no say whatsoever in it so whoever it is we will have to get behind anyway

It matters to me ph, I feel as though I was forced into buying my two season tickets early without knowing what I was actually signing up to. I did not know what division we would be in, or who the manager will be. Football is in the entertainment business, and I want to be entertained. Having scoffed at many who said that they would not set foot in the ground whilst Pulis was there, I can now see their point. When I purchased my tickets over the phone I made a point of asking the lady if I can claim a full refund if they appoint Allardyce as the next manager. She did not say but did indicate that Mr Bung would not be at our club.

So it does matter, as I have no intention of sitting through dire Pulis type tactics again... life is too short for that. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on May 17, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
It matters to me ph, I feel as though I was forced into buying my two season tickets early without knowing what I was actually signing up to. I did not know what division we would be in, or who the manager will be. Football is in the entertainment business, and I want to be entertained. Having scoffed at many who said that they would not set foot in the ground whilst Pulis was there, I can now see their point. When I purchased my tickets over the phone I made a point of asking the lady if I can claim a full refund if they appoint Allardyce as the next manager. She did not say but did indicate that Mr Bung would not be at our club.

So it does matter, as I have no intention of sitting through dire Pulis type tactics again... life is too short for that.

My point is we can all say we want Joe Bloggs because of his style of football or we dont want John Bloggs because of his type of football but we dont get a say in it, the club chooses and we have to deal with it. The choice then is do we go week in week out and support the stripes or do we stay away because we dont like a manager? I will go regardless and I will have a season ticket regardless
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 17, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
My point is we can all say we want Joe Bloggs because of his style of football or we dont want John Bloggs because of his type of football but we dont get a say in it, the club chooses and we have to deal with it. The choice then is do we go week in week out and support the stripes or do we stay away because we dont like a manager? I will go regardless and I will have a season ticket regardless
Good on you mate, totally agree
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NathWBA on May 17, 2019, 10:23:52 AM
It matters to me ph, I feel as though I was forced into buying my two season tickets early without knowing what I was actually signing up to. I did not know what division we would be in, or who the manager will be. Football is in the entertainment business, and I want to be entertained. Having scoffed at many who said that they would not set foot in the ground whilst Pulis was there, I can now see their point. When I purchased my tickets over the phone I made a point of asking the lady if I can claim a full refund if they appoint Allardyce as the next manager. She did not say but did indicate that Mr Bung would not be at our club.

So it does matter, as I have no intention of sitting through dire Pulis type tactics again... life is too short for that.
The refund policy on stilecards states it’s the clubs discretion, so it would be a case by case basis, would they refund because someone doesn’t like a manager? Doubtful.
I doubt the ticket office lady would be able to confirm that allardyce will not be manager of the club, I doubt she’s privy to that sort of info.
Whilst I do like to be entertained the brand of football wouldn’t be enough to stop me going to support the team, managers come and go, it’s not the manager I support it’s the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on May 17, 2019, 10:35:53 AM
Whoever we get as manager not everyone is going to be happy.

I'm a fan of route one football. It gets results and it puts the opponents defence under increased pressure and we don't get into trouble passing it around at the back.  A tactic that has cost us many points this season.  So a manager who brings that is okay with me.

Other people like the passing out from the back. But if a manager brings that game you have got to have the players to play that game. Two managers that have been mentioned on here, Alex Neal and Graham Potter employ this tactic and look what we did to them at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on May 17, 2019, 10:48:50 AM
Whoever we get as manager not everyone is going to be happy.

I'm a fan of route one football. It gets results and it puts the opponents defence under increased pressure and we don't get into trouble passing it around at the back.  A tactic that has cost us many points this season.  So a manager who brings that is okay with me.

Other people like the passing out from the back. But if a manager brings that game you have got to have the players to play that game. Two managers that have been mentioned on here, Alex Neal and Graham Potter employ this tactic and look what we did to them at the Hawthorns.
It's not as simple as saying 'look what we did to them at the Hawthorns' though. Potter has been introducing his style and using a lot of younger players....it doesn't work instantly or 100% of the time. They still caused us plenty of problems at the Hawthorns and were without their main goal scorer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on May 17, 2019, 11:04:19 AM
It's not as simple as saying 'look what we did to them at the Hawthorns' though. Potter has been introducing his style and using a lot of younger players....it doesn't work instantly or 100% of the time. They still caused us plenty of problems at the Hawthorns and were without their main goal scorer.

You get nothing for causing problems, it was 3 - 0  !!! .  So you would be happy with us playing that type of football and losing 3 - 0 .  Football is a results game.  We have been  a better side since Darren Moore and Graeme Jones have left the club. I am sure the mood on these boards would be more positive if we had gained promotion with a more direct approach.  Sometimes you have to live in the real world. There are only 2 sides in the country who play attractive football and get results and they both finished miles ahead of the rest at the top of the premier league after spending Millions.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
After all is said and done I don't care who comes in and how they play as long as they sort this mess out, clearout the dead weight and get us back up.


Retaiined playing list going up today apparently. Dread to see who is retained.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
My point is we can all say we want Joe Bloggs because of his style of football or we dont want John Bloggs because of his type of football but we dont get a say in it, the club chooses and we have to deal with it. The choice then is do we go week in week out and support the stripes or do we stay away because we dont like a manager? I will go regardless and I will have a season ticket regardless

Many did when Pulis was there, that was obvious from this forum.

I am likely to go regardless because I too have a season ticket [two actually]. I think some are taking my comments a bit too seriously about the refund - I am aware that it is at the clubs discretion, and my comment to the ticket lady was tongue in cheek. I seriously do not think that she is connected any more than the journalist who said that we were interested in speaking to Hughton. However, should we appoint Allardyce, for devilment I will write to the club..... :)

As a hypothetical situation, if Pulis leaves Middlesborough tomorrow and we appoint him on a 3 year contract, what would you do? Its all a matter of choice, I am a no bigger fan than you or anyone else, but the thought of watching that rubbish again for 3 years completely turns me off, and yes I probably would give it a miss. There are no prizes handed out for never missing a match or going home and away, I have done all of that myself in the past. I do not think for one second that Jake Livermore [or many other players] in his fancy Lamborghini is bothered whether you go or not to be honest.

At the moment the club has no ambition and we seem to be bimbling from one disaster to another. There is a bloke in Jersey who is absolutely laughing all the way to the bank at our clubs expense [and some on here want him back!! WTF] and we are now owned by a chap who does not seem to care and has not given any indication that he is going to put a penny back into the club. Regardless of what division we were going to be in next year our current team will be broken up due to age, end of contracts, loanees returning to their parent clubs, and some players wanting to leave etc and there is no indication that we are going to be in a position to replace them with the quality of player required to get out of this division. With the reduction in the parachute payment this year [which I believe has already been borrowed against] I seriously worry about where we are going. 

My personal view is that we are in serious trouble. I am seeing no evidence to the contrary. The appointment of the next manager is essential, but we have got it wrong so many times before, so what are the chances that the board will get this one right? I am not hopeful and given their frugality you know that it is going to be a cheap and cheerful appointment. I would not be at all surprised in the slighest that it is Shan [and again, no disrespect to him].

I want to see a young, hungry Albion team managed by an up and coming manager who has ambition and wants to win. At this moment we have none of that, and no sign that this will be the case in the future. As someone else said, if you go week in week out regardless then 'good on you'. I will probably do the same in all honesty, but to get back to the original point, it does matter who we appoint and I would like to think that the club will take notice of how the supporters feel. However, with the Albion I do not think that this is the case. Their appointment will be based on cost, not long term ambition or capability.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on May 17, 2019, 11:41:33 AM
Pulis has left Boro.
Be afraid, be very afraid  :-X
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
Pulis has left Boro.
Be afraid, be very afraid  :-X

Just seen it.
Lightening doesn't strike twice..............does it?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
Pulis has left Boro.
Be afraid, be very afraid  :-X

The board wouldnt be that stupid would they??
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 17, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
Forget it, they would.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on May 17, 2019, 11:54:50 AM
Skyclad I can't disagree with the points you make, but the point remains - the powers that be at the Albion aren't reading forums and Twitter to get our expert advise on who should be next manager or not, for a start we cant even agree on a way forward (managerial wise) on a forum anyway! :)
They will choose who they think is right based on their 'strategy', we can then go with it and support the manager or sit at home and be keyboard warriors having one man stay at home protests.
Even under the dinosaur I still went to matches, being at the bottom of the greed league was painful under all managers, I went to most matches thinking if we get a draw it will be a decent result so I was glad to get relegated and now the dust has settled im glad we didnt go up (yet) as I have enjoyed this season.
As for the next manager, if its Hughton, Shan, Jokanovic, Cowley or whoever, they start with my backing. See you next season!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 17, 2019, 12:21:45 PM
Pulis has left Boro.
Be afraid, be very afraid  :-X


i am afraid your winding a few up
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Post by: baggiemart on May 17, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
Skyclad I can't disagree with the points you make, but the point remains - the powers that be at the Albion aren't reading forums and Twitter to get our expert advise on who should be next manager or not, for a start we cant even agree on a way forward (managerial wise) on a forum anyway! :)
They will choose who they think is right based on their 'strategy', we can then go with it and support the manager or sit at home and be keyboard warriors having one man stay at home protests.
Even under the dinosaur I still went to matches, being at the bottom of the greed league was painful under all managers, I went to most matches thinking if we get a draw it will be a decent result so I was glad to get relegated and now the dust has settled im glad we didnt go up (yet) as I have enjoyed this season.
As for the next manager, if its Hughton, Shan, Jokanovic, Cowley or whoever, they start with my backing. See you next season!!

They will choose whoever decides they want it.  Lets face it , we are not the most attractive proposition !!

Neal turned us down, I think Jokanovic has probably turned us down, even Shan is probably pleased about going back to his coaching post.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2019, 12:43:14 PM
Skyclad I can't disagree with the points you make, but the point remains - the powers that be at the Albion aren't reading forums and Twitter to get our expert advise on who should be next manager or not, for a start we cant even agree on a way forward (managerial wise) on a forum anyway! :)
They will choose who they think is right based on their 'strategy', we can then go with it and support the manager or sit at home and be keyboard warriors having one man stay at home protests.
Even under the dinosaur I still went to matches, being at the bottom of the greed league was painful under all managers, I went to most matches thinking if we get a draw it will be a decent result so I was glad to get relegated and now the dust has settled im glad we didnt go up (yet) as I have enjoyed this season.
As for the next manager, if its Hughton, Shan, Jokanovic, Cowley or whoever, they start with my backing. See you next season!!

I believe that they actively monitor all social media feeds to gauge the opinion of the fanbase, it would be gross incompetence of the press and media director if he/she/they didn't. Whether they take a blind bit of notice though is another matter all together!

See you there unless we recruit Mr Bung ;)

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lindenbaggie on May 17, 2019, 12:59:05 PM
It's not as simple as saying 'look what we did to them at the Hawthorns' though. Potter has been introducing his style and using a lot of younger players....it doesn't work instantly or 100% of the time. They still caused us plenty of problems at the Hawthorns and were without their main goal scorer.

I wonder how much Swansea would want for McBurney.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbastrollers on May 17, 2019, 01:05:56 PM

i am afraid your winding a few up

We couldn’t afford him!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lindenbaggie on May 17, 2019, 01:35:12 PM
They will choose whoever decides they want it.  Lets face it , we are not the most attractive proposition !!

Neal turned us down, I think Jokanovic has probably turned us down, even Shan is probably pleased about going back to his coaching post.

Shan has had a taste of more responsibility without having much authority, and hasn't disgraced himself at all. Will a potential manager be put off knowing that the club have a trusted coach already in place should things falter? I'd prefer Moyes, but don't know if he's actively looking for an opening anywhere.
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Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 01:56:16 PM
As a hypothetical situation, if Pulis leaves Middlesborough tomorrow and we appoint him on a 3 year contract, what would you do?

The plan is I attend the first game of the season break up my seat throw it on the pitch and get banned just to make sure I'm not tempted to return to the Hawthorns during his second time around.

I never thought I would ever not want to go to the Hawthorns. I have been going for thick and thin but I couldn't stand watching his football. It is by some distance the most depressing I have ever witnessed on a regular basis. I don't want him or any mini version of him.

 I will give almost any appointment a chance that is only fair but obviously I will feel more optimistic about some than others. For me it is all about the style of play the new Head Coach brings with him the further removed from Pulisball the better. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
The plan is I attend the first game of the season break up my seat throw it on the pitch and get banned just to make sure I'm not tempted to return to the Hawthorns during his second time around.

I never thought I would ever not want to go to the Hawthorns. I have been going for thick and thin but I couldn't stand watching his football. It is by some distance the most depressing I have ever witnessed on a regular basis. I don't want him or any mini version of him.

 I will give almost any appointment a chance that is only fair but obviously I will feel more optimistic about some than others. For me it is all about the style of play the new Head Coach brings with him the further removed from Pulisball the better.

Not so long ago when he was with us I could not understand why so many were coming on here saying the same, and the fact that they would not return until he was gone.

I now fully understand.

I think that there will be quite a few seats broken on the first game if this were to happen.....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NathWBA on May 17, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
I see Alan Nixon is saying on twitter the cowley brothers aren’t keen on the job and that the wages on offer to anyone aren’t great which is putting people off.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 17, 2019, 02:34:59 PM
Cowley is into 4/7 on - now favourite!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on May 17, 2019, 02:41:13 PM
I see Alan Nixon is saying on twitter the cowley brothers aren’t keen on the job and that the wages on offer to anyone aren’t great which is putting people off.

Bookies  4/7  Cowley, seems Alan Nixon is talking out of his proverbial. !!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Jack Thrust on May 17, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
I've been thinking about the prospect of yet another new manager and really the one thing I want from the new appointment is just someone with a bl**dy winning mentality! I don't necessarily care about the style of play as long as the team go out there with some passion, determination and the sense that they actually want to win the game. To me Pulis for example was not a "winner", he was a "Don't lose" manager. Whereas SGM the first time around when we weren't scoring many goals the attitude was we had to WIN the game.

I don't care whether we tap it around like Bromalona or we hoof it upfield (As long as we're hoofing it TO somebody and not just hoofing it in blind panic) as long as they show some guts and some fire.

Just my 2p!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 17, 2019, 02:55:54 PM
Bookies  4/7  Cowley, seems Alan Nixon is talking out of his proverbial. !!!

or just maybe both bookies and Nixon have no clue.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 17, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
This must be the forth odds on favourite so far:

Jokanovic
Neil
Hughton
Cowley

I've most probably forgot someone as well.

The bookies don't have a clue. The newest name linked goes automatic favourite.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 17, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
I mentioned Micky Mellon the other day - I'd like someone without a recent connection but he's been away a while - his Tranmere team looked reasonably impressive against FGR and he's made the play offs 3 seasons running so has a winning mentality, maybe we're waiting for the play offs to be over - btw I hope he loses the PO final to Newport ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 17, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
This must be the forth odds on favourite so far:

Jokanovic
Neil
Hughton
Cowley

I've most probably forgot someone as well.

The bookies don't have a clue. The newest name linked goes automatic favourite.
Pretty sure big Sam was odds on for a while too. These markets are dream markets for bookies. They limit the amount you can put on so they’re liabilities are low and they know as soon as any name is mentioned in the press mug punters fall over themselves to whack a fiver on, thus bringing the price down. It’s rarely indicative of who is going to be eventually unveiled.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 17, 2019, 04:16:23 PM
They will choose whoever decides they want it.  Lets face it , we are not the most attractive proposition !!

Neal turned us down, I think Jokanovic has probably turned us down, even Shan is probably pleased about going back to his coaching post.

Did Neal turn us down, or just use a rumour to his advantage in his contract negotiations with Preston? We never even made an approach for him. We have no idea if Jokanovic was even approached and even if (hypothetically) he was and did 'turn it down', this could have been for any reason.

Shan has made it clear previously that he didn't want the job permanently, I see that as no reflection on the club.

I'd be very happy if either Jokanovic or Hughton got the job, with the former being my preferred option.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NathWBA on May 17, 2019, 04:21:02 PM
Bookies  4/7  Cowley, seems Alan Nixon is talking out of his proverbial. !!!
you realise how bookies odds work right? The odds are dependant on punters backings, the money people put on the shorter the odds become, a few stories the last few days have probably caused people to start backing the Cowley’s and the odds have dropped, at one point Alex Neil was massively odds on, the next day he’d signed a new contract at Preston.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2019, 04:29:10 PM
Alan Nixon is about as reliable as a stopped watch right twice a day but largely by accident.

But taking it face value I would be delighted the Cowley's don't fancy the job I don't fancy them one little bit.

Wages terrible yeah ok whatever.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 17, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
Pulis has left Boro.
Be afraid, be very afraid  :-X

If it happened, I think I'd be looking to do more exciting things on a Saturday afternoon. Like inspecting the tarmac on my road.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 17, 2019, 05:54:10 PM
Bookies  4/7  Cowley, seems Alan Nixon is talking out of his proverbial. !!!

Saw last night, Nixon said that Cowley didn't fancy it. He also said the same about Graeme  Jones & Luton.
He's said a few times that we don't pay well. but we paid well enough for Pulis, Pardew & Roy Hodgson

Think John Percy is the more reliable national journo
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
I have always admired Nigel Adkins and he is out of contract at Hull this summer, as is Frazier Campbell, who I believe is a better option than HRK to come off the bench.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 17, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
I have always admired Nigel Adkins and he is out of contract at Hull this summer, as is Frazier Campbell, who I believe is a better option than HRK to come off the bench.
Always liked Adkins myself, saw a lot of Scunny when he was manager there, and they played good stuff and over achieved massively, he was also a genuinely nice guy and alway took time to say hello if you bumped into behind the scenes as I often did through work at the time.
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Post by: WBArgo on May 17, 2019, 10:18:55 PM
I have always admired Nigel Adkins and he is out of contract at Hull this summer, as is Frazier Campbell, who I believe is a better option than HRK to come off the bench.
Not for me. I'd put him as a solid Championship manager but really we should be more ambitious; his last promotion was 7 years back and although he's done well with Hull, he's been patchy with a few other clubs (I'm not a massive fan of Hughton but I think he is a class above Adkins).

I agree that Campbell is better than Kanu, but he will be 32 in September and there's a lot of strikers in this league who are better than Kanu, 4 league goals even for a substitute is abysmal when you consider how attack Moore's style was at times.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 17, 2019, 10:20:26 PM
Always liked Adkins myself, saw a lot of Scunny when he was manager there, and they played good stuff and over achieved massively, he was also a genuinely nice guy and alway took time to say hello if you bumped into behind the scenes as I often did through work at the time.

I know he is definitely out our price range, but are there any rumours up there about where Bowen is going?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 17, 2019, 10:46:02 PM
Shortlist of 4, who are they though? My guess;

Hughton
Cowley
Vieira
Jokanovic

The obvious 2 are Jokanovic and Hughton, would be happy with either of those. Really don’t fancy Cowley but he will have knowledge of the lower leagues and some of the talent there. Vieira would be intriguing and would finally allow us to start using the foreign market for players. I’d give Vieira a chance personally but may be tough to persuade.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 18, 2019, 12:08:07 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“WBA have narrowed their managerial search down to four candidates. Interviews start next week”

Your guess is as good as mine, I am hoping against hope that Jokanovic is one of the candidates
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on May 18, 2019, 12:27:36 AM
Strange to hear Dowling say that he can't get the atmosphere out of his head from the Villa game and how he wants to bring in a manager that makes that a much more regular occurrence, and yet the first 2 names that have been linked with the short list are Hughton and Crowley.

Now I feel the club are totally right to give serious considerstion to both candidates, as they both have good track records in their managerial careers and are both very attainable, but both of them have a reputation for fairly functional football from everything I have read (and in Hughton's case, seen).

If your aim is to get the place buzzing, you probably need to be seeking out a manager who plays a more high octane style of football, else you are just paying lip service to the atmosphere thing.

Neither Hughton nor Cowley would be poor appointments and any championship club who hires them will have a good chsnce next season, but I can't see them ever being entertainers.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2019, 02:10:33 AM
Strange to hear Dowling say that he can't get the atmosphere out of his head from the Villa game and how he wants to bring in a manager that makes that a much more regular occurrence, and yet the first 2 names that have been linked with the short list are Hughton and Crowley.

Now I feel the club are totally right to give serious considerstion to both candidates, as they both have good track records in their managerial careers and are both very attainable, but both of them have a reputation for fairly functional football from everything I have read (and in Hughton's case, seen).

If your aim is to get the place buzzing, you probably need to be seeking out a manager who plays a more high octane style of football, else you are just paying lip service to the atmosphere thing.

Neither Hughton nor Cowley would be poor appointments and any championship club who hires them will have a good chsnce next season, but I can't see them ever being entertainers.

I think there are a couple of things even professionals sometimes get caught up in the mood. I doubt Dowling or many of the players have been in a stadium where the atmosphere was as white hot as that generated on Tuesday night. The question is what generated it?

The opposition and what was at stake. Our oldest rivals and a place in what might be arguably the biggest game of the season. Overlay the game situation which was always balanced on a knife edge throw in we were underdogs with a sense of being slightly hard done by from the game just a few days earlier. If that situation didn't generate an atmosphere nothing would.

Had we been 4:0 up from the 1st leg sure the Hawthorns would have been bouyant but the atmosphere would not have been so intense.

I am not sure that just entertaining football or good results will reproduce that feeling. It is only the occasion the absolute cliff hanger that generates that level of noise from a crowd almost any crowd.

A Head Coach isn't going to deliver that. Circumstance and our desire as fans to be loud and proud might the best a Head Coach can do is tap into it.

Dowling is just caught up in the moment. Fine and dandy but the Head Coach whoever it is will still pull their trousers on one leg at a time.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 18, 2019, 06:40:35 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“WBA have narrowed their managerial search down to four candidates. Interviews start next week”

Your guess is as good as mine, I am hoping against hope that Jokanovic is one of the candidates

I hope Appleton and Pulis aren't included in those 4
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2019, 08:24:29 AM
This suggests to me that Appleton is very much in the frame.

Quote
“Walking away from the ground on Tuesday evening I thought from start to finish it was a night to be proud to work for West Bromwich Albion,” he said.

“It showed everyone, not only employees and supporters of our football club, but people who watched it on TV, what we’re about.

“It was a proud evening, in terms of what they players went through, and how they got through it. Obviously, we’ve been knocked out of the Play-Offs but it’s given us a sense of belief for the future that this is how we want nights to be at Albion. We understand every home game won’t be like that but we want to see that more often than not.

“I’ve only been here since September but I’m not sure it’s been the happiest of places over the past few seasons. But that’s something we need to change. It’s something we want to change.

“We will do our upmost behind the scenes to change that.

“We want to put 11 players out there with a Head Coach leading them that represent West Bromwich Albion Football Club. Everyone mucks in at Albion, from the top down, and that represents Albion. We want the Head Coach and players to represent that as well, and we want the fans to see that.

“The fans appreciated Tuesday, it probably reflected West Bromwich as an area, that we work hard for everything that we’ve got. That’s what we want to continue next season.”
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 18, 2019, 08:27:33 AM
He's said it could take longer than 2 weeks so that'll be June 18th then.

I hope the 4 are; Jokanovic, Hughton, Johnson and an obscure foreign coach with a great track record.

I think it's Hughton, Cowley, Appleton and Moyes.

And i think we'll get Hughton.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
This "four" - teasing isn't it?  ;D

I'd say Hughton is absolutely certain to be one of the four. The other three - who knows, pure guesswork. Danny Cowley, very possibly. Other two, no idea. Won't be Pulis or Pardew that's for certain.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 18, 2019, 08:38:33 AM
Alan nixon has repeatedly said cowley is not interested. Hughton, vieria and one other are my guesswork.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on May 18, 2019, 08:52:38 AM
This suggests to me that Appleton is very much in the frame.

How does this suggest Appleton? Just asking as I can’t see that it does
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BB74 on May 18, 2019, 08:58:06 AM
Chris Coleman
Michael Appleton
Brian McDermott
James Shan

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie steve on May 18, 2019, 09:02:00 AM
Grant McCann from Donaster , very young and inexperienced but can see him becoming a top manager , plays great football  , I'd prefer to see us give someone like this an opportunity to build something good , rather than a merry go round has been .....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2019, 09:03:54 AM
Just in on twitter from Paul Suart (Birmingham Mail Albion correspondent) confirms that Appleton is NOT on the short list of 4.

Obviously will please some but I would much prefer Appleton who has always played decent football to some Pulis clone like Cowley but whatever order the Air Raid warning sound effect.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: MarkW on May 18, 2019, 09:20:37 AM
Just in on twitter from Paul Suart (Birmingham Mail Albion correspondent) confirms that Appleton is NOT on the short list of 4.

Obviously will please some but I would much prefer Appleton who has always played decent football to some Pulis clone like Cowley but whatever order the Air Raid warning sound effect.

Blackburn fan who I know would disagree about the good football bit. Worst he's seen apparently
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on May 18, 2019, 09:34:57 AM
Just in on twitter from Paul Suart (Birmingham Mail Albion correspondent) confirms that Appleton is NOT on the short list of 4.

Obviously will please some but I would much prefer Appleton who has always played decent football to some Pulis clone like Cowley but whatever order the Air Raid warning sound effect.

I just don’t get what people see in Appleton
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 09:37:34 AM
Alan nixon has repeatedly said cowley is not interested. Hughton, vieria and one other are my guesswork.


Nixon actually replied to a tweet with the words "don't fancy it".

How you take that depends I suppose. It could mean Cowley doesn't fancy the job, Nixon doesn't fancy Cowley or Nixon doesn't fancy that deal to happen.

I'd be keeping an open mind.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2019, 09:43:26 AM
Blackburn fan who I know would disagree about the good football bit. Worst he's seen apparently

Basing it on the 3 seasons he had at Oxford rather than 15 games he had at Blackburn however it is a completely moot point as he won't be our next Head Coach.

Again my dislike of Cowley is based on a well established pattern of play and a style which after a while won't change even in a relatively young coach.

Alan Nixon as a journalist is just one step up from an "ITK" poster on Twitter. He takes a little bit of gossip and spins a story and woe betide anyone who challenges the bs. And yeah just so he never gets caught out uses deliberately vague language so his tweet could be read at a latter date as being right almost regardless of the outcome
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: silver surfer on May 18, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
We want attacking football, someone with a proven track record, ideally a manager who has had to rebuild a team and achieve promotion soon after.
I’d take Mowbray back, he’s got more appeal than some of the candidates mentioned.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 18, 2019, 10:08:08 AM
Anyone considered that we are looking at lower league managers because that is where we will be signing our players from, when we sell the crown jewels?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 18, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
How does this suggest Appleton? Just asking as I can’t see that it does

The whole tone of the statement suggests, to me, that we want to appoint someone who understands the DNA of West Bromwich.
Other than Appleton, I think Hughton might, but I'm not sure any of the others will.
IMO, the plan is to take an evolutionary course, I just don't see this mass clear out, I think we're trying to move on some of our higher paid players so that we can bring in some of the successful loanees we had this season. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gayle, Johansson, & Holgate signed permanently.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2019, 10:26:51 AM
Anyone considered that we are looking at lower league managers because that is where we will be signing our players from, when we sell the crown jewels?

I would dispute the description of past their prime Premier League squad fillers as the "Crown Jewels"

Where do you think players like Bradley Dack or Jamie Vardy or John Stones came from? I could go on the list is pretty much endless.

The only "lower league" manager we have been linked with is Cowley and that is a mistake but not for the reason he is managing at Lincoln.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nathan on May 18, 2019, 10:49:28 AM
Grant McCann from Donaster , very young and inexperienced but can see him becoming a top manager , plays great football  , I'd prefer to see us give someone like this an opportunity to build something good , rather than a merry go round has been .....

What a great shout that is, he is a top man too. There is a cracking mural in Sandy Row where he grew up in Belfast of Grant McCann and Warren Feeney. He is a good, honest, working class bloke, who appreciates his fortune to have made a career in the game. He would give us plenty of passion and take a lot of pride in his work and keep the lads level headed with a sense of perspective. Could be just the type of man to help recreate the atmosphere and passion of Tuesday night as hinted at by Dowling that he is looking for in the next appointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 18, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
The Sun suggesting Michael O'Neill is on the shortlist, heaven forbid!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on May 18, 2019, 11:52:51 AM
It woupd be great if it turned out that atleast one of the managers in the shortlist was an obscure foreign choice. It would show the club are searching fsr and wide, rather than just at the obvious names.

I don't have any faith in Dowling to do that, but I can hope.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 18, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
What a great shout that is, he is a top man too. There is a cracking mural in Sandy Row where he grew up in Belfast of Grant McCann and Warren Feeney. He is a good, honest, working class bloke, who appreciates his fortune to have made a career in the game. He would give us plenty of passion and take a lot of pride in his work and keep the lads level headed with a sense of perspective. Could be just the type of man to help recreate the atmosphere and passion of Tuesday night as hinted at by Dowling that he is looking for in the next appointment.

Would like this. Thought Dinny played decent football in the play off game I saw
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
I'd be extremely suprised if its not Hughton, if he wants it you'd think its his. His style of football is something the players are all very much accustomed too, got a couple of promotions in this league, known quantity.

Danny Cowley could be interesting, certainly success everywhere he's gone but its a huge step up from where he's done. It's hard to find much about his actual playing style - I'm not  sure to what extent people saying its bad would probably say that about any league 2, conference level teams.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: slate on May 18, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
I'd be extremely suprised if its not Hughton, if he wants it you'd think its his. His style of football is something the players are all very much accustomed too, got a couple of promotions in this league, known quantity.

Danny Cowley could be interesting, certainly success everywhere he's gone but its a huge step up from where he's done. It's hard to find much about his actual playing style - I'm not  sure to what extent people saying its bad would probably say that about any league 2, conference level teams.

I agree... I just can't see them seriously considering anybody other than Hughton.

He's known, steady, managed at this level and won't cost them anything in compensation. Seems nailed on to me.

After speaking with a norwich season ticket holder, his style is towards that of Pulis.

For that reason I'd much rather us take a chance on a younger more exciting manager and would certainly consider non-UK applicants. The squad will have to be revamped and so this is the time for a full reboot.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 18, 2019, 12:55:34 PM
The advantage of Hughton is he will know players in the leagues and have an idea of who to sign.
Need to pull our finger out or Boro will sign the best choice up ..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
Danny Cowley is an interesting one if he is on the list. He would bring his brother for a start, those two work together.

Their record as a managerial team is excellent, it is really impressive at three clubs so they clearly know what they are doing.

The Championship, of course, is a step up and such an appointment would be a risk but Ron Atkinson came here from Cambridge and Daniel Farke came from way out of the blue at Norwich. Chris Wilder came from Northampton to manage Sheffield United so it proves you can bring in coaches with no experience of the Championship and still succeed.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about Lincoln City or how they play etc but I do know they lost 7 games from 46 last season, won the league by six points and scored more goals than anyone in League 2 with the exception of Bury.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 18, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
Latest Odds from SkyBet

The full list of names in the frame (SkyBet)
Danny Cowley 10/11
Chris Hughton 2/1
Lee Bowyer 10/1
Garry Monk 12/1
Neil Lennon 12/1
Carlos Carvalhal 14/1
David Moyes 14/1
James Shan 14/1
Chris Coleman 16/1
Gary Rowett 16/1
Slavisa Jokanovic 16/1
Nigel Pearson 18/1
Alan Pardew 20/1
Jon Whitney 20/1
Lee Johnson 20/1
Patrick Vieira 20/1
Gareth Ainsworth 22/1
Steve Clarke 22/1
Claude Puel 25/1
Harry Redknapp 25/1
Sam Allardyce 25/1
Frank Lampard 28/1
Grant McCann 33/1
Steve Gerrard 33/1
Jose Mourinho 66/1

So, Jose is not all that after all!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
Lee Bowyer is another interesting one. 57% win rate at Charlton as permanent manager.

You have the experience of Hughton vs the young / hungry types of Bowyer / Cowley.

That could be three of the four on the list then?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on May 18, 2019, 02:40:11 PM
I desperately want someone who will deliver attacking football.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 18, 2019, 03:05:24 PM
I agree... I just can't see them seriously considering anybody other than Hughton.

He's known, steady, managed at this level and won't cost them anything in compensation. Seems nailed on to me.

After speaking with a norwich season ticket holder, his style is towards that of Pulis.

For that reason I'd much rather us take a chance on a younger more exciting manager and would certainly consider non-UK applicants. The squad will have to be revamped and so this is the time for a full reboot.

When Hughton was sacked by Newcastle it seems it was an unpopular decision with their fans. I don't recall their brand of football under his management being much like 'Pulisball'. Similarly with Brighton, it may only be recently that his style of football has become more 'pragmatic' but I never had the opinion that his teams were noticeably negative before that. His stint at Norwich came when he took over with them in a relegation dogfight so this may account for the style of play at that time and it was effective as he guided them to 11th that year.

I'm not aware of him failing at anywhere he has managed (in fact he has been consistently successful) and think any anti-football style tactics may have been used only depending on the situation, unlike Pulis, who would probably play 'anti-football' if he had Man City's budget.

I would be very happy with Hughton but would just about prefer Jokanovic.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 18, 2019, 03:12:31 PM
Michael O'Neill being linked now in the Birmingham Mail, no experience of English football or any top flight football other than the League Of Ireland.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on May 18, 2019, 03:25:12 PM
When Hughton was sacked by Newcastle it seems it was an unpopular decision with their fans. I don't recall their brand of football under his management being much like 'Pulisball'. Similarly with Brighton, it may only be recently that his style of football has become more 'pragmatic' but I never had the opinion that his teams were noticeably negative before that. His stint at Norwich came when he took over with them in a relegation dogfight so this may account for the style of play at that time and it was effective as he guided them to 11th that year.

I'm not aware of him failing at anywhere he has managed (in fact he has been consistently successful) and think any anti-football style tactics may have been used only depending on the situation, unlike Pulis, who would probably play 'anti-football' if he had Man City's budget.

I would be very happy with Hughton but would just about prefer Jokanovic.
Not sure you can call a 40% win rate in his managerial career "consistently successful". Alan Pardew can better that.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: smethwickw on May 18, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
Michael O'Neill being linked now in the Birmingham Mail, no experience of English football or any top flight football other than the League Of Ireland.

Good grief. We'd be building a side around Brunt if that happened!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
Michael O'Neill being linked now in the Birmingham Mail, no experience of English football or any top flight football other than the League Of Ireland.


I might be wrong but that just smacks of lazy journalism. Someone that was linked with us before but not this time around, "let's just throw the name out there".

If Albion are looking at unexposed managers like Cowley, Bowyer though O'Neill would fit into that category.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 18, 2019, 03:33:13 PM
Cowley odds on with sky now as well, really really unsure on him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 18, 2019, 03:50:28 PM
Can’t say I am an expert on the Cowley brothers, though what they have achieved at a club that was a total basket case with no money is quite incredible, maybe at a bigger club with the facilities, players and potential finance, they would have a different footballing ethos. As for the ‘pullisball’ description, which “pullisball’ is it they play? Is it he high energy, in your faces, attacking,direct football, with big, strong and fast forwards that though not pretty, got results and scored goals, when he was at Stoke, or is it the ‘pullisball’ that we got, ultra defensive, playing for 0/0 and hope to nick a goal. Much as I disliked Pullis at Stoke it was a totally different brand to what we got.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
I'm sick of reading about other head coaches being like Pulis for their style of football.

THERE IS NO-ONE AS BAD AS PULIS
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on May 18, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Danny Cowley is an interesting one if he is on the list. He would bring his brother for a start, those two work together.

Their record as a managerial team is excellent, it is really impressive at three clubs so they clearly know what they are doing.

The Championship, of course, is a step up and such an appointment would be a risk but Ron Atkinson came here from Cambridge and Daniel Farke came from way out of the blue at Norwich. Chris Wilder came from Northampton to manage Sheffield United so it proves you can bring in coaches with no experience of the Championship and still succeed.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about Lincoln City or how they play etc but I do know they lost 7 games from 46 last season, won the league by six points and scored more goals than anyone in League 2 with the exception of Bury.

Interesting.
Like you, I don't know much about Lincoln or how they play, but all the talk on here about his style being similar to Pulis seems well wide of the mark. I don't recall a Pulis team scoring the second most goals in the division - ever.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 03:56:05 PM
Like you, I don't know much about Lincoln or how they play, but all the talk on here about his style being similar to Pulis seems well wide of the mark. I don't recall a Pulis team scoring the second most goals in the division - ever.


For what it's worth I've spoken to a couple of people who avidly follow non league football and they both told me the Cowley's teams play good football.

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Post by: gerry m on May 18, 2019, 04:10:26 PM
Bookies  4/7  Cowley, seems Alan Nixon is talking out of his proverbial. !!!

All you have to do is put a tenner on the bookies and they will sh*&t themselves and the odds will go down.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 18, 2019, 04:13:21 PM

For what it's worth I've spoken to a couple of people who avidly follow non league football and they both told me the Cowley's teams play good football.

With the greatest of respect to the people you have spoken to, there is a member on this forum, who is respected for his thoughtful, insightful and balanced views and he would disagree with them. Personally, I would be more inclined to rely on his assessment of Cowley, which can be found further up in this thread, but it is all about opinions.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
With the greatest of respect to the people you have spoken to, there is a member on this forum, who is respected for his thoughtful, insightful and balanced views and he would disagree with them. Personally, I would be more inclined to rely on his assessment of Cowley, which can be found further up in this thread, but it is all about opinions.


Fair enough, I've no problem with that.

Can't offer an opinion myself personally as I've not seen any of Cowley's teams play often enough to make a judgement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 18, 2019, 04:26:56 PM

Fair enough, I've no problem with that.

Can't offer an opinion myself personally as I've not seen any of Cowley's teams play often enough to make a judgement.

I'm in the same boat as you and have to rely on others who have more knowledge than me and whose opinions are known to be reliable. This is a  crucial appointment for us with little or no room for error, worrying times.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2019, 04:30:49 PM
There is probably some disconnect between what is considered good football and the level we're talking about. It's possible someone who watches non-league regularly would have better views of his football because they're comparing it to a similar standard.

Pretty much no conference and very few league 2 teams play "good" football in the sense of good passing and technical ability on show because that requires a certain standard of player simply not available to them - the question is, is Cowley's football bad even by the standards of the level he manages, or is it bad, relative to what people expect of much better teams?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 04:39:15 PM
There is probably some disconnect between what is considered good football and the level we're talking about. It's possible someone who watches non-league regularly would have better views of his football because they're comparing it to a similar standard.

Pretty much no conference teams play "good" football in the sense of good passing and technical ability on show - the question is, is Cowley's football bad even by the standards of the level he manages, or is it bad, relative to what people expect of much better teams?


It's possibly a mixture of both. The Cowley's have never had what you would call good players to work with so you have to get the best out of what you have. There is also the question of what gets you results at lower levels.

Then of course there is the question of what do you call good football? Passing through the team? Playing a possession based game? Or hitting the front man early and playing more directly - does that class as bad football?

Personally I don't mind a pragmatic approach to games.  I just do not appreciate extreme pragmatism and practically no attacking intent other than nicking a goal off a set piece.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 18, 2019, 04:40:22 PM
Danny Cowley is an interesting one if he is on the list. He would bring his brother for a start, those two work together.

Their record as a managerial team is excellent, it is really impressive at three clubs so they clearly know what they are doing.

The Championship, of course, is a step up and such an appointment would be a risk but Ron Atkinson came here from Cambridge and Daniel Farke came from way out of the blue at Norwich. Chris Wilder came from Northampton to manage Sheffield United so it proves you can bring in coaches with no experience of the Championship and still succeed.

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about Lincoln City or how they play etc but I do know they lost 7 games from 46 last season, won the league by six points and scored more goals than anyone in League 2 with the exception of Bury.

Interesting.

The way I see it is that the club need to make as good a fist of getting promoted next season as they can due to the reduction of parachute payments. We need to be making use of what advantages we still have before they are gone and for this reason I think it is imperative that a manager with previous experience of getting out of this division should be appointed. Jokanovic and Hughton are the best choices I can think of as they have each been promoted with two different clubs, each achieving this fairly recently. Remarkably in Jokanovic's case, he managed it with Fulham despite having little say in signings.

As to the Chris Wilder and Danny Cowley comparison, this is my view.

Chris Wilder had been managing for 15 years before moving to Sheffield United and moved to them when they were still in League 1. He had also had 5 seasons of League football management experience before that and had just won League 2 with 99 points and scoring 82 goals by playing an exciting brand of free-flowing attacking football. This at a club he had only moved to the previous January when they were in danger of being relegated to the National League. In his first season with Sheffield, a team which had finished 11th the previous season, he won League 1 with 100 points, playing exciting attacking football and scoring 92 goals. The following season he led Sheffield to a 10th place finish with 69 points in their first season back in the Championship, finishing only 6 points from the play-offs. Before management he had a long professional playing career making over 400 league appearances including over 100 at Sheffield United during a period when they were promoted to the top flight. He achieved promotion with Sheffield this season, his 8th full season in football league management and his third year of building a side capable of making a challenge.

Danny Cowley is an ex P.E. teacher who never played professionally. He has managed for 7 years, a mere two of which have been in the football league. He won League 2 with Lincoln last season with 85 points, playing a brand of hoofball overly reliant on set-pieces, scoring 73 goals. They failed to win in half of their matches.

Here's an article about England's set-piece tactics in the World Cup and their similarity to those used by Lincoln under Cowley.

“Did Danny Cowley win us the game?” asked James Richardson on his Totally Football Show podcast.

A member of his panel then explained: “It’s a Lincoln City thing. It’s a conga line of giganotosaurs led by Matt Rhead, a massive hod-carrying bruiser at the front.

Sounds inspiring.

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/englands-world-cup-heroes-taken-1747180

As I said up top, we need to give everything we can to try and get promotion this year. Cowley would be a massive gamble to say the least and personally I hope to god he's not a serious contender to be our new manager.
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Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 04:54:26 PM
The way I see it is that the club need to make as good a fist of getting promoted next season as they can due to the reduction of parachute payments. We need to be making use of what advantages we still have before they are gone and for this reason I think it is imperative that a manager with previous experience of getting out of this division should be appointed. Jokanovic and Hughton are the best choices I can think of as they have each been promoted with two different clubs, each achieving this fairly recently. Remarkably in Jokanovic's case, he managed it with Fulham despite having little say in signings.

As to the Chris Wilder and Danny Cowley comparison, this is my view.

Chris Wilder had been managing for 15 years before moving to Sheffield United and moved to them when they were still in League 1. He had also had 5 seasons of League football management experience before that and had just won League 2 with 99 points and scoring 82 goals by playing an exciting brand of free-flowing attacking football. This at a club he had only moved to the previous January when they were in danger of being relegated to the National League. In his first season with Sheffield, a team which had finished 11th the previous season, he won League 1 with 100 points, playing exciting attacking football and scoring 92 goals. The following season he led Sheffield to a 10th place finish with 69 points in their first season back in the Championship, finishing only 6 points from the play-offs. Before management he had a long professional playing career making over 400 league appearances including over 100 at Sheffield United during a period when they were promoted to the top flight. He achieved promotion with Sheffield this season, his 8th full season in football league management and his third year of building a side capable of making a challenge.

Danny Cowley is an ex P.E. teacher who never played professionally. He has managed for 7 years, a mere two of which have been in the football league. He won League 2 with Lincoln last season with 85 points, playing a brand of hoofball overly reliant on set-pieces, scoring 73 goals. They failed to win in half of their matches.

Here's an article about England's set-piece tactics in the World Cup and their similarity to those used by Lincoln under Cowley.

“Did Danny Cowley win us the game?” asked James Richardson on his Totally Football Show podcast.

A member of his panel then explained: “It’s a Lincoln City thing. It’s a conga line of giganotosaurs led by Matt Rhead, a massive hod-carrying bruiser at the front.

Sounds inspiring.

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/englands-world-cup-heroes-taken-1747180

As I said up top, we need to give everything we can to try and get promotion this year. Cowley would be a massive gamble to say the least and personally I hope to god he's not a serious contender to be our new manager.


Interesting post.

Just a couple of points to make though in reply to a couple of your comments.


Danny Cowley is an ex P.E. teacher who never played professionally.


I don't see that of any relevance at all. Jose Mourinho never played professionally either.



They failed to win in half of their matches.


That is true but it's also true that Lincoln won none of their last five games and still won the league by six points. That would indicate they pretty much coasted home with the job done early.




“It’s a Lincoln City thing. It’s a conga line of giganotosaurs led by Matt Rhead, a massive hod-carrying bruiser at the front.


If you have those type of players at your disposal you need to play to their strengths.



I'm not some Cowley fanboy or anything like that but I just don't think it's wise to be too dismissive of him (and his brother of course).
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 18, 2019, 04:55:51 PM
Not sure you can call a 40% win rate in his managerial career "consistently successful". Alan Pardew can better that.

Statistics are relative. Hughton has managed for several seasons in the Premier League on a low budget for that division. It's natural that this would skew his stats.

Hughton has only been managing in permanent positions for 10 years. During his career he has achieved two promotions to the Premier League and has never been relegated. Out of the three teams he's managed in the Championship he only failed to get promoted with Birmingham and he managed to get them in the play-offs. Considering the clubs he's managed I'd say he's been relatively successful.
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Post by: alex1 on May 18, 2019, 04:56:34 PM
On the betting odds list there are several cringeworthy horrors. Michael O'Neil, Neil Lennon to name but two, and Ian Bowyer? Sorry, but he has this bovver boy image, something we don't need.
Cowley, don't know much about him, except I see that he was part of the Wimbledon youth set up, something that always flashes warning signs for me.

Of the names seriously being mentioned, I would be happy with Hughton or Jokanovic. I've seen the mixed views about Hughton in terms of attractive football, but his teams have had a decent goalscoring record.
For me playing entertaining attacking football, including hopefully a couple of players with genuine flair on the ball, is all important.   
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 18, 2019, 05:00:24 PM
Potter a no go?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48323075
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 18, 2019, 05:07:08 PM

Interesting post.

Just a couple of points to make though in reply to a couple of your comments.


Danny Cowley is an ex P.E. teacher who never played professionally.


I don't see that of any relevance at all. Jose Mourinho never played professionally either.



They failed to win in half of their matches.


That is true but it's also true that Lincoln won none of their last five games and still won the league by six points. That would indicate they pretty much coasted home with the job done early.




“It’s a Lincoln City thing. It’s a conga line of giganotosaurs led by Matt Rhead, a massive hod-carrying bruiser at the front.


If you have those type of players at your disposal you need to play to their strengths.



I'm not some Cowley fanboy or anything like that but I just don't think it's wise to be too dismissive of him (and his brother of course).

Regarding the bit in bold, I've got no issue with a manager never having played in and of itself but not only has Cowley never played professionally he has only managed in the professional game for two seasons in League 2. It's too big a leap too soon.

My point was to draw a comparison between Wilder and Cowley as one had been made between the two. As you can see it's like comparing apples and oranges in terms of their experience and record and playing career is part of that record also and for good reason.

Farke was also mentioned as 'coming out of the blue', however he had managed for several seasons before becoming manager of Borussia Dortmund reserves. From Dortmund reserves to managing in the Championship is a more natural step than League 2 to Championship in my view.
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 18, 2019, 05:08:52 PM
Potter a no go?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48323075


All a bit too quick for me, looks as though Brighton had that one lined up well in advance of giving Hughton the spanish. At least one Albion can get it done quickly......
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Post by: lewisant on May 18, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
With Potter set for BHA that put Swansea in the mix for a new manager too, having named Potter last year they may be looking for a person with a "vision."

So it's us, Boro and Swansea all on the lookout and all clubs who will be looking for a top 6 finish.
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Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 05:11:24 PM
On the betting odds list there are several cringeworthy horrors. Michael O'Neil, Neil Lennon to name but two, and Ian Bowyer? Sorry, but he has this bovver boy image, something we don't need.
Cowley, don't know much about him, except I see that he was part of the Wimbledon youth set up, something that always flashes warning signs for me.

Of the names seriously being mentioned, I would be happy with Hughton or Jokanovic. I've seen the mixed views about Hughton in terms of attractive football, but his teams have had a decent goalscoring record.
For me playing entertaining attacking football, including hopefully a couple of players with genuine flair on the ball, is all important.   


To be fair to Michael O'Neil he had a 55% win rate at Shamrock Rovers before taking over Northern Ireland and his win percentage with Northern Ireland is on a par with anybody's since the days of Billy Bingham's first stint ending in 1971. In short no-one has much chance with N.I. He's a complete unknown in the English game but that doesn't necessary mean it can't work.

Neil Lennon did well at Hibs and Celtic but I could succeed at Celtic. His time at Bolton was poor. I wouldn't have him anywhere near my list of front runners for the job.

Hughton / Jokanovic - yes absolutely, would take either but I don't think Jokanovic will be on our shortlist.
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Post by: KN22 on May 18, 2019, 05:19:21 PM
I'm sick of reading about other head coaches being like Pulis for their style of football.

THERE IS NO-ONE AS BAD AS PULIS

Fabulous post, 100 per cent agree. He’s been gone 18 months and in my opinion we are still struggling to rid ourselves of the hangover.
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Post by: gavinrussell on May 18, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
Looks like Potter is off to Brighton (BBC breaking news)...thats one off the list..
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Post by: SirTonyM on May 18, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
As soon as we didn't go for Potter last summer you knew he was destined for bigger things...
I actually think Dowling will try and go for a decent manager and try and build something for the future (when you read about what he did at Watford). The major concern is, I doubt he will be backed and will become the fall guy if it fails.
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Post by: timdon on May 18, 2019, 05:57:53 PM
Statistics are relative. Hughton has managed for several seasons in the Premier League on a low budget for that division. It's natural that this would skew his stats.

Hughton has only been managing in permanent positions for 10 years. During his career he has achieved two promotions to the Premier League and has never been relegated. Out of the three teams he's managed in the Championship he only failed to get promoted with Birmingham and he managed to get them in the play-offs. Considering the clubs he's managed I'd say he's been relatively successful.
What you say about Hughton in the first paragraph could just as easily be said about Alan Pardew. And the point you make about managing in permanent positions for only 10 years is disingenuous. He had had many years experience in coaching prior to that.
Listen, I'm not massively against appointing Hughton. I just think he would be an unambitious appointment, possibly too short term. Also (and I have no evidence for this) he is over 60 and I worry about his ambition and drive.
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 19, 2019, 08:12:56 AM
Steven Gerrard anyone?
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 19, 2019, 08:22:51 AM
Steven Gerrard anyone?

Why would he come to us? Must be on big wages at Rangers.

Can anyone explain to me why we need two more weeks to decide? I get the division we are in would make a difference due to money, but surely if we go up it is option A or b and if we stay down option A or C.

I do despair at our board. Are we offering peanuts?

Brighton decide and appoint within a week. Leicester within 36 hours.

Albion - 3 months and counting....
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 19, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Why would he come to us? Must be on big wages at Rangers.

Can anyone explain to me why we need two more weeks to decide? I get the division we are in would make a difference due to money, but surely if we go up it is option A or b and if we stay down option A or C.

I do despair at our board. Are we offering peanuts?

Brighton decide and appoint within a week. Leicester within 36 hours.

Albion - 3 months and counting....


I assume the decision makers are Dowling, Jenkins & Lai, suspect they can't agree, so they are going through a process.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2019, 09:26:51 AM

I assume the decision makers are Dowling, Jenkins & Lai, suspect they can't agree, so they are going through a process.

it's farcical, what is the point of appointing a Director of Football if you don't let him do the job he is employed to do and have to rely on a committee, we'll end up with a "camel"
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Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 19, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
it's farcical, what is the point of appointing a Director of Football if you don't let him do the job he is employed to do and have to rely on a committee, we'll end up with a "camel"

We'll all get the hump if that happens.
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Post by: Atomic on May 19, 2019, 09:45:31 AM
Because Brighton announce a new head coach quickly (if they do) and we take our time doesn't mean Brighton have done the right thing and we haven't. In a years time we may look back and think they rushed it if they go down and we go up.

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Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2019, 10:25:57 AM
I had a quick look at the various message boards of the clubs who are involved in the current manager merry go round.

Brighton's fans are split on Hughton's dismissal and probably equally split on Potter's appointment

Swansea are deeply unhappy at losing Potter and really fearful as to what happens next

Boro are just happy that Pulis has gone but equally worried about the next appointment.


Oh this fun in fact it is more fun than actually watching Pulisball
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Does anyone know anything about ex-Kidderminster boss John Eustace, 39? He is being considered for the Swansea job.

He is said to be willing to work on a strict budget, develop kids and play passing football. He sounds like he fits the job specification / description that most Albion Fans would agree with.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
For what it's worth on the Danny Cowley front...

I have a friend who has played the majority career at League 1 and 2 level aside from a couple of seasons in The Championship and Conference. He's calling a day on his 18 year career next Saturday, so know a thing or two about lower league football.

Last summer I mentioned Micky Flynn from Newport. He's done a stellar job but what impresses me the most is the fact the players would run through brick walls for him. He's very much cut from the Megson/Warnock mould in that sense. His sides leave everything on the pitch.

Do his sides play the most aesthetically pleasing football? Not necessarily, but what he does do without fail is get the absolute best out of what he has got. He is adaptable and has his own footballing identity all the while. I think he's a bit reminiscent of Roy Hodgson, well organised, tough to break down but break at pace.

I picked the brains of my mate, at the time it wasn't regarding Cowley coming here but purely on how I thought he was incredibly mundane and boring on Sky Sports covering the play offs. He basically said that Cowley's Lincoln were always going to do well based on the budget they had, likewise when they were in the VNL. He then listed off quite a few names who were players they signed whose previous employers were Championship clubs!

Basically he's done well everywhere he's been but his job at Lincoln has been made so much easier by the sheer size of the budget. I did ask about Flynn being able to step up but didn't really get an answer.

My only concern with Flynn would be the lack of transfer nous. We need an experienced head, one who has overseen clear outs and moulded squads with success.
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Post by: wimbledon baggie on May 19, 2019, 11:23:47 AM
The problem with looking at lower league managers is that they have no experience of working with a big budget and players on high wages and how to man manage that.

They are not dealing with the fall out from agents trying to turn their players, working with a director of football, working with players who have been at a higher level than them all of their careers who have strong influence in the dressing room.

The expectations at WBA are rightly massive and I don't think there is a lower league manager out there that can handle that unless they have a fantastic philosophy and vision and are truly exceptional leaders.

We should be looking at appointing an exceptional manger of the highest calibre with experience and success  in the best leagues. No cheap sticking plaster options. We have to bury the ghost of Pulis once and for all and build a whole new vision.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 19, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
We need someone to come in and do it his way not letting the egos in the dressing room take over and see him off as they have done in the past, we need a strong character again not intimidated by egos of players who have or are playing at a higher level than the new manager has done but also not the good old merry go round brigade.

For me this rules out the likes of Cowley, Flynn or any other lower division manager unless they can come in and not give a toss about ego or reputation and get on with it their way whilst keeping the little darlings we have onside as well.

Who ? I have no idea anymore and will be amazed if its not Appleton, I just want them to get on with it now and have someone in place before the players are back in pre-season training and also someone who is not tempted to keep Myhill, Morrison or Barry now we have stated we will not offer a new deal, that £100k a week or so could be invaluable in getting some young quality in the midfield and at least 2 strikers.
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Post by: elkiellis on May 19, 2019, 11:44:58 AM
please please not Appleton but he would fit the yes man manager our board seem to want,Nigel Pearson for me all day at least he would more than stand up to the board and we might win the prem within 5 years ala his Leicester team if not Hughton or Jonavic anyone else being muted is a backwards step.
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Post by: Xpresso on May 19, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
Vincent Kompany leaving Man City… what a player-manager he'd make. Sadly, he's chosen to go to Anderlecht in that role.
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Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2019, 12:50:24 PM
It has been reported that Appleton is NOT in the running

please please not Appleton but he would fit the yes man manager our board seem to want,Nigel Pearson for me all day at least he would more than stand up to the board and we might win the prem within 5 years ala his Leicester team if not Hughton or Jonavic anyone else being muted is a backwards step.

However I simply don't get the "Yes Man" criticism levelled at Appleton or any other coach for that matter. They are employed by the club they work for the board they aren't ever going to be employed unless that at least at the outset there is some common ground.

Equally when you have a conflict between board and manager in generally ends badly for the manager, but the conflict itself is a distraction and seldom does the club any good. 

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Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 19, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
Vincent Kompany leaving Man City… what a player-manager he'd make. Sadly, he's chosen to go to Anderlecht in that role.

Who else in the Prem could you see retiring and becoming a good manager in the next couple of years?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 19, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
If we don't get rid of Brunt soon , he will be manager. ;)
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Post by: gerry m on May 19, 2019, 03:34:47 PM
Vincent Kompany leaving Man City… what a player-manager he'd make. Sadly, he's chosen to go to Anderlecht in that role.

Never in a million years was this going to happen.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 19, 2019, 05:35:38 PM
Seriously we should be looking at clarke again. The job hes doing over there shouldn’t be ignored. Lets be honest someone will take him. Seems a good fit. Times passed and its a different job now.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Seriously we should be looking at clarke again. The job hes doing over there shouldn’t be ignored. Lets be honest someone will take him. Seems a good fit. Times passed and its a different job now.


Dismantled best squad in years, won 7 games in the calendar year 2013. No thanks.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 19, 2019, 06:13:48 PM
Didn’t dismantle it beacuse we still had Morrison, brunt and myhill ;D
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Post by: mulliganstired on May 19, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
If we don't get rid of Brunt soon , he will be manager. ;)
I thought he already was?  ;)
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2019, 07:12:26 PM
Seriously we should be looking at clarke again. The job hes doing over there shouldn’t be ignored. Lets be honest someone will take him. Seems a good fit. Times passed and its a different job now.

Heading to the Scotland job
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

“Steve Clarke set to be confirmed as the new Scotland manager early this week. Terms and compensation with #Kilmarnock still to be finalised. Leaves Killie after securing 3rd place and European football. Amazing achievement which arguably deserves greater recognition”
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Post by: royhan on May 20, 2019, 04:39:05 PM
The Club is keen to speak with Northern Ireland manager Michael O’Neil, according to Sky Sports News. That sounds about right for Albion as he’s probably the cheapest option of all names mentioned. Has he had any Football League experience? None from what I can recall. What the hell Is going on?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 04:43:18 PM
The Club is keen to speak with Northern Ireland manager Michael O’Neil, according to Sky Sports News. That sounds about right for Albion as he’s probably the cheapest option of all names mentioned. Has he had any Football League experience? None from what I can recall. What the hell Is going on?

Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers is the extent of his club management experience
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Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
Had spells in Ireland and Scotland if I recall from last time he peaked the clubs interest, lower league in Scotland at that.
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Post by: Blowee on May 20, 2019, 04:46:42 PM
Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers is the extent of his club management experience
We had a manager leave us to manage Shamrock Rovers after he learnt his coaching skills with us - Johnny Giles.
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Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2019, 04:54:27 PM
We had a manager leave us to manage Shamrock Rovers after he learnt his coaching skills with us - Johnny Giles.
gutted the day he left, but don't think O'Neil could pass a ball like Johnny
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Post by: tambag on May 20, 2019, 05:00:51 PM

Rob Dorsett
‏ @RobDorsettSky

#wbafc keen to talk to Michael O’Neill about Head Coach job, as they narrow down their search.


Didn't he say Johnny Evans was too good for us !  Its a no from me.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 20, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
If we take long enough. We can shrug our shoulders and say the reason why we missed out the best players is manager came late.
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Post by: darbolina on May 20, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
wonder if Brunt suggested O'Neil as an option.........maybe Brunt will be an assistant or is he that already.............? O'Neil and Hughton linked so far........two names linked with us for about 5 years or more? Wonder what Dowling actually does?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 20, 2019, 05:15:29 PM
wonder if Brunt suggested O'Neil as an option.........maybe Brunt will be an assistant or is he that already.............? O'Neil and Hughton linked so far........two names linked with us for about 5 years or more? Wonder what Dowling actually does?
exactly what I was going to ask, Both O’Neils have been linked to us the last couple manergerial changes and rarely are they even a target, similar with Hughton.

It’s not what does Dowling do, but how lazy can journalists be to think we won’t notice the same names crop up over and over again?
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Post by: dubliner on May 20, 2019, 05:20:32 PM
Shamrock Rovers and Baggies fan here so probably qualified to give an opinion on Michael O'Neill. Won back-to-back titles and brought Rovers to the Europa League group stages - first Irish club to do it and it's an amazing achievement.

Equally with Northern Ireland, became the first (and only) bottom seeds to to win a Euros qualifying group, again an amazing achievement.

He's a very impressive bloke and a top manager IMO, only caveat is that his best work has been done as an underdog where tactical nous has beaten better sides. Don't know how he'd get on with one of the favourites in the Championship.
 
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Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Had spells in Ireland and Scotland if I recall from last time he peaked the clubs interest, lower league in Scotland at that.
O'Neill is a complete non-starter. His track record for clubs is the Irish and lower Scottish divisions. Most of his players would have been there on free transfers or loans.  Preparing for mtaches with N Ireland would be completly different to the intensity of the matches in the Championship.
If he is a serious candidate, I'd rather stick with Shan.

 
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Post by: Aztech on May 20, 2019, 05:46:29 PM
Shamrock Rovers and Baggies fan here so probably qualified to give an opinion on Michael O'Neill. Won back-to-back titles and brought Rovers to the Europa League group stages - first Irish club to do it and it's an amazing achievement.

Equally with Northern Ireland, became the first (and only) bottom seeds to to win a Euros qualifying group, again an amazing achievement.

He's a very impressive bloke and a top manager IMO, only caveat is that his best work has been done as an underdog where tactical nous has beaten better sides. Don't know how he'd get on with one of the favourites in the Championship.
 

One of the favourites!  :o With what’s going on we will be odds on to be relegated.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 06:04:17 PM
Graham Potter appointed new Brighton manager after leaving Swansea

Adding to his skills before returning to his spiritual home, no doubt

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48340989
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Reports from click bait sites suggesting Hughton is making his mind up between us and Borough
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
 Nigel Clough anybody, he’s done a good job at the other, other Albion?
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 06:36:44 PM
Reports from click bait sites suggesting Hughton is making his mind up between us and Borough

Source: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hughton-makes-up-mind-over-west-brom-and-middlesbrough-jobs/
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Post by: CL3MO on May 20, 2019, 06:53:06 PM
Interest in O’Neill stepping up...

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/20/northern-ireland-boss-michael-oneill-emerges-as-candidate-for-west-brom-job/

This would stink of Alan Irvine to me.
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Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2019, 06:59:14 PM
Interest in O’Neill stepping up...

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/20/northern-ireland-boss-michael-oneill-emerges-as-candidate-for-west-brom-job/

This would stink of Alan Irvine to me.

49?! The guy has had one heavy paper round. He’s effectively a ‘young and hungry’ Manager. I could have sworn he was 60.
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Post by: miggybaggy on May 20, 2019, 06:59:31 PM
All very under whelming and uninspiring. Very worried about the next 3 to 4 seasons.... :'(
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 20, 2019, 07:07:00 PM
Jesus we're doomed.
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Post by: victor mature on May 20, 2019, 07:07:58 PM
I wanted Hughton 7 years ago but I'm very wary of newly sacked managers as they are rarely successful plus he's 60 now. Given our recent record on sacking managers and our limited budget, I really don't know who we could attract. I wanted Dean Smith this time last year. What about ex dingle  Paul cook?
 
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Post by: darbolina on May 20, 2019, 07:14:09 PM
The E and S suggests
ONeil
Hughton
Cowley
+1

who is the other ? Mick McCarthy i guess?
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 20, 2019, 07:19:02 PM
I'm still going to stick my neck out and suggest Micky Mellon as the +1 - waiting for after the Tranmere PO final :D
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 20, 2019, 07:19:37 PM
Jeeze 🙁God help us
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
The E and S suggests
ONeil
Hughton
Cowley
+1

who is the other ? Mick McCarthy i guess?
Have seen somewhere the missing one is Lee Bowyer
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Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 07:45:30 PM
These claiming Hughton has pulled out of the running for the job.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/leading-contender-pulls-out-of-running-for-west-brom-job/
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 20, 2019, 07:46:29 PM
Have seen somewhere the missing one is Lee Bowyer

He's got a play-off final coming up which if Charlton win will put him and them back in the Championship. He's also a big Charlton fan. I can't see the vacant position with us being on his radar but who knows.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 07:54:56 PM
The E and S suggests
ONeil
Hughton
Cowley
+1

who is the other ? Mick McCarthy i guess?

I wonder who the first substitute is, if reports are true about Hughton?
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Post by: WBArgo on May 20, 2019, 08:00:40 PM
O'Neill is a strange one; he's certainly done well in his managerial career but I'm always wary of international managers...it's just completely different to club football.

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Post by: wbawill on May 20, 2019, 08:04:10 PM
Michael O'Neill, whose only previous club management experience is with Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers. Can you hear that screeching sound? That's the sound of the bottom of the barrel being well and truly scraped.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 08:07:05 PM
These claiming Hughton has pulled out of the running for the job.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/leading-contender-pulls-out-of-running-for-west-brom-job/

Also not interested in the Borough job as well

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hughton-makes-up-mind-over-west-brom-and-middlesbrough-jobs/
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 20, 2019, 08:08:51 PM
Michael O'Neill, whose only previous club management experience is with Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers. Can you hear that screeching sound? That's the sound of the bottom of the barrel being well and truly scraped.

And Danny Cowley wasn't already the sound of it being scraped?
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
He's got a play-off final coming up which if Charlton win will put him and them back in the Championship. He's also a big Charlton fan. I can't see the vacant position with us being on his radar but who knows.
totally agree can't remember where I saw it but think this dog is barking up the wrong tree !! If we are looking at managers from below why oh why aren't we considering Mark Robins !??!!
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Post by: wbarenno on May 20, 2019, 08:25:24 PM
Michael O'Neill, whose only previous club management experience is with Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers. Can you hear that screeching sound? That's the sound of the bottom of the barrel being well and truly scraped.

If O’Neil is being considered I wonder how much say Chris brunt has in it all. He would definitely be pushing for him and I’m convinced brunt has abit more power then your standard player
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Post by: victor mature on May 20, 2019, 08:36:50 PM
I've looked at Mark Robins just now and agree with Hardtobeat that we should be looking at him
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 20, 2019, 08:42:42 PM
Surprised noone is mentioning Johnson at Bristol City.

3 months on and our board have not got a clue.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
If O’Neil is being considered I wonder how much say Chris brunt has in it all. He would definitely be pushing for him and I’m convinced brunt has abit more power then your standard player

as conspiracy theories about Brunty go that's right up there.  ;D
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Post by: baggie53 on May 20, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
Surprised noone is mentioning Johnson at Bristol City.

3 months on and our board have not got a clue.
Why would he leave Bristol City (who are likely to be in a better position to chase promotion) for us
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Post by: Aztech on May 20, 2019, 08:53:57 PM
Surprised noone is mentioning Johnson at Bristol City.

3 months on and our board have not got a clue.

Johnson is under contract, can’t see us paying any compensation whatsoever.
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Post by: victor mature on May 20, 2019, 08:54:41 PM
Johnson might see us as a sideways move
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Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
Johnson might see us as a sideways move

at best !
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 20, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
The E and S suggests
ONeil
Hughton
Cowley
+1

who is the other ? Mick McCarthy i guess?
The usual suspects.....Dave Jones, Steve Bruce, Ryan Giggs, Glenn Hoddle,Neil Lennon,Neil Warnock am I missing anyone?
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Post by: Aztech on May 20, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
Cowley O'Neill and bowyer would all require compensation paying so your talking rubbish

You think 🤔
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Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 10:18:37 PM
Cowley O'Neill and bowyer would all require compensation paying so your talking rubbish
Are you sure they wouldn't be paying WBA to be given a contract?
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Post by: KN22 on May 20, 2019, 10:47:57 PM
Graham Potter appointed new Brighton manager after leaving Swansea

Adding to his skills before returning to his spiritual home, no doubt

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48340989

How long was he actually here for? Not long as I recall.
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Post by: geoff on May 20, 2019, 10:54:40 PM
How the mighty have fallen  :'(
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 20, 2019, 11:41:55 PM
Surely if our financial strategy was THAT dependant on going up at the first time of asking, we should have appointed a proper manager and not tried to wing it with a member of the backroom staff? Surely it makes far more sense to appoint the cheap option in the 2nd season when the big cutbacks/long term rebuild occurs than in the season where we're "spending big" and need guaranteed results?

This club really is going downhill fast currently, we better hope our next manager is a masterstroke if he's not proven already or we're staying in this division for a long while yet (or worse). Let's hope Dowling can pull a rabbit out the hat.
last time we were in the Championship we gave the job to Di Matteo, a guy with less than a year's experience in League 1. the time before that was Mobray whose experience was a couple of very good years in Scotland at Hibernian. Moore, Shan and the current shortlist matches what we've done before for at least a decade, arguably a few of the options are MORE qualified than the managers we've had previously.
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Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2019, 12:09:18 AM
If the 3 are Cowley, Hughton and O'Neil there is at least a general consistency of style which might be best described as pragmatic. This is a little disappointing as it would appear that our flirtation with a passing game ended with Darren Moore's departure.

In general I would not get overly hung up about the "level" at which a candidate has operated previously. I still don't think it is a role for a rookie and I am relieved at least that all of the reported candidates are experienced Head Coaches.

My view on O'Neil is that his experience has largely been within International football which is a slightly different beast to the week in week out grind of club football. Yet it is impossible to not be impressed by what he has achieved with Northern Ireland. I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand and I think descriptions of being scrapping the bottom of the barrel are deeply disrespectful to a highly regarded coach.
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Post by: frazzle on May 21, 2019, 05:24:34 AM
When you consider that the three teams that finished above us all played attractive passing football it’s disappointing that we seem to be considering a more old fashioned approach once again.
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Post by: Pelada on May 21, 2019, 05:47:30 AM
Very concerned by some of those names linked.

They are names that seem to be matching that of our transfer policy (following the news that we would not sign Gayle permanently). Cheap and second rate.

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Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2019, 05:49:58 AM
One name nobody has mentioned is Giovanni van Bronckhorst. He is leaving Feyenoord who finished 3rd in the Dutch league. He was there for 4 seasons, first assisting Ronald Koeman and always seems to have finished top 3. Has a reputation for playing decent , but solid attacking football and has extensive European experience. He might fancy a crack at English football.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2019, 06:32:07 AM
 :D judging by the amount of names being banded about its obvious that nobody has a clue who will get the job.
Exciting and worrying all at the same time
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 21, 2019, 07:40:46 AM
Come on chaps, this is the Albion we are talking about here, we all know its going to be Appleton.... :(
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Post by: Aztech on May 21, 2019, 07:50:53 AM
One name nobody has mentioned is Giovanni van Bronckhorst. He is leaving Feyenoord who finished 3rd in the Dutch league. He was there for 4 seasons, first assisting Ronald Koeman and always seems to have finished top 3. Has a reputation for playing decent , but solid attacking football and has extensive European experience. He might fancy a crack at English football.

He should be on our list without a doubt. With someone like him in charge we could secure some young talented Dutch players at fees we could afford.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on May 21, 2019, 07:52:44 AM
Come on chaps, this is the Albion we are talking about here, we all know its going to be Appleton.... :(
I think that you are correct. There is no other explanation for bringing him in to "support" Shan at such a late stage in proceedings.
Ridiculous thing to do, and I do not believe for one second, that Shan instigated it.
Just gave him an opportunity to get amongst the players for a close look. Watch him walk right in and take Morrison on again! 
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Post by: darbolina on May 21, 2019, 07:59:16 AM
He should be on our list without a doubt. With someone like him in charge we could secure some young talented Dutch players at fees we could afford.

Surely Van  Bronckhorst would be lookfor a premier league club next or a championship one who is ready to really go for it - either aren't Albion. We need a head coach who can massively reduce the wage, adding much cheaper, younger, hungrier players and coach the life our of them - or that's what I read between the lines Dowling prepared us for recently. I think we all need to understand we're playing at a different level now or the club are hence why we have the shortlist we have.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 21, 2019, 08:04:42 AM
Apparently Swansea know their manager already. There going for Nigel Adkins at Hull.
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Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2019, 08:33:46 AM
Come on chaps, this is the Albion we are talking about here, we all know its going to be Appleton.... :(
prefer him to the to O'Neil bloke at least he has coached in Championship.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2019, 09:00:17 AM
One name nobody has mentioned is Giovanni van Bronckhorst. He is leaving Feyenoord who finished 3rd in the Dutch league. He was there for 4 seasons, first assisting Ronald Koeman and always seems to have finished top 3. Has a reputation for playing decent , but solid attacking football and has extensive European experience. He might fancy a crack at English football.

To me van Bronckhorst  should be given the job now.  The other candidates certainly don't inspire any great optimism .

Out of the last 8 sides promoted ( 8 because we don't now the 3rd from this year yet) in the last 3 seasons, 5 have been managed by foreign coaches. The other 3 sides were managed by 3 experienced managers , Wilde, Warnock and Hughton.

So we should be looking for a foreign manager who can bring in unknown foreign players at the right price.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 21, 2019, 09:21:46 AM
One name nobody has mentioned is Giovanni van Bronckhorst. He is leaving Feyenoord who finished 3rd in the Dutch league. He was there for 4 seasons, first assisting Ronald Koeman and always seems to have finished top 3. Has a reputation for playing decent , but solid attacking football and has extensive European experience. He might fancy a crack at English football.

I mentioned his name a few pages back. Have a feeling he would be setting his sight at a better job than us. Especially when the board will probably tell him he doesn’t really have any money to build his own team until we shift our players.
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Post by: kc56wba on May 21, 2019, 09:36:03 AM
Come on chaps, this is the Albion we are talking about here, we all know its going to be Appleton.... :(

Kev I would be very surprised if it was anyone else but the Albion have a habit of surprising me.
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Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 09:51:09 AM
Michael O'Neill, whose only previous club management experience is with Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers. Can you hear that screeching sound? That's the sound of the bottom of the barrel being well and truly scraped.


O'Neill shouldn't be dismissed. His record as a manager is excellent. Outstanding at Shamrock Rovers and had near enough the best win rate for Northern Ireland since 1971. He even got Shamrock into the Europa League the first League of Ireland team to do so. Not a sexy name no but I wouldn't be too quick to rule him out as a contender. He lacks experience in English football but so did Daniel Farke and look what he did with Norwich last season.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2019, 09:55:47 AM
We need another Ron Atkinson, don't we.
Someone who seems to come out of almost nowhere and turns out to be pure gold...
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Post by: Foster#1 on May 21, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
I'd go for Nigel pearson now tbh
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
I'd go for Nigel pearson now tbh

i agree with you would you beleive
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Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
I'd go for Nigel pearson now tbh


I would've gone for Pearson, said so from before Darren Moore got the job. There is nothing to indicate he's on Albion's radar though.
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Post by: Dan on May 21, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
Nigel Pearson's record outside of Leicester is patchy at best, plus he has a tendency to fall out with people. He's one we should be staying well away from.
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Post by: divinewind on May 21, 2019, 12:04:11 PM
The only ones we will attract is the ones who will do it for the lowest wage and won't rock the boat, another nodding dog.
Appleton will be announced soon.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 21, 2019, 12:48:19 PM
keep praying it is not Appleton.
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Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
I though it was established a week ago that Appleton is not on the list?
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 21, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
I though it was established a week ago that Appleton is not on the list?

Given the role he currently has I would say that he is pole position.

Where did you hear that from?

Again the club are playing their cards close to their chest. From memory I believe that they have confirmed that they have a list of four, but obviously they are not going to say who, so Appleton could well be on the list..........
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2019, 01:17:08 PM
I though it was established a week ago that Appleton is not on the list?

This is the Albion, believe nothing, expect the unexpected  :D

Everyone turns us down or rules themselves out, those who were not in the running suddenly appear and no matter who it is will be named as our number 1 choice and the only serious contender.

I have no idea what to expect at all. Could be Harry bleedin Redknapp for all we know  :-X :o
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Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
A new odds on favourite now. O'Neill. That must be the sixth odds on favourite since Darren Moore left:

8/11 O'Neill
7/2 Cowley
11/2 Hughton

Massive gap to 20/1 and upwards the others. (Oddschecker - Paddy Power listed)

Tomorrow:

1/20 Steve McClaren.  ;D
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Post by: Mo on May 21, 2019, 01:25:29 PM
keep praying it is not Appleton.

Comforting to know  I’m not alone on this !
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Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2019, 01:33:42 PM
A new odds on favourite now. O'Neill. That must be the sixth odds on favourite since Darren Moore left:

8/11 O'Neill
7/2 Cowley
11/2 Hughton

Massive gap to 20/1 and upwards the others. (Oddschecker - Paddy Power listed)

Tomorrow:

1/20 Steve McClaren.  ;D

Just looked on skybet,

8/15  Cowley
4/1    hughton
9/2    O'neill

66/1   Mourinho 
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Post by: baggie_liam on May 21, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up being Shan afterall...
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Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
Just looked on skybet,

8/15  Cowley
4/1    hughton
9/2    O'neill

66/1   Mourinho


Mourinho 275/1 with Paddy Power. Seems more accurate to me. Not a bad difference though is there 209 points.  :o
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2019, 01:52:23 PM
I though it was established a week ago that Appleton is not on the list?

I don't think that's right. It was taken from Skybet "Odds on West Brom manager at start of season" where MA wasn't on the list.

Looking at Oddschecker, MA is 4th on the on the list that's open, which is with PaddyPower

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager (https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager)
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2019, 01:58:16 PM
O'Neill has done an excellent job at Northern Ireland - whilst pragmatic their approach at Windsor Park has often been entertaining - it has not been swash buckling football but its making the most of the resources available to him. Whether he can transition to day-to-day management remains to be seen

There does seem to be a trend to the managers we are looking at so it would appear at least that the club have some sort of vision in place.
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Post by: Dan on May 21, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
O'Neill has done an excellent job at Northern Ireland - whilst pragmatic their approach at Windsor Park has often been entertaining - it has not been swash buckling football but its making the most of the resources available to him. Whether he can transition to day-to-day management remains to be seen

There does seem to be a trend to the managers we are looking at so it would appear at least that the club have some sort of vision in place.

He's done a similar job to what Lawrie Sanchez did there - and look how his club career went.

Northern Ireland are an extremely pragmatic team based round set piece goals, organisation and discipline. Which is fine, you need that, but I can't imagine many people would describe them as "often entertaining". If you were entertained by the football we produced under Shan, then maybe.
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Post by: Sted1990 on May 21, 2019, 02:14:58 PM
Close the threat it will be Appleton! Cheapest option of course.
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Post by: royhan on May 21, 2019, 02:22:09 PM
I wish we'd bloody stop dithering and get on with it. Lai could surely afford the salary of a top manager to try and lead us out of the mess we are in. He won't though because he's a joke :-[
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
He's done a similar job to what Lawrie Sanchez did there - and look how his club career went.

Northern Ireland are an extremely pragmatic team based round set piece goals, organisation and discipline. Which is fine, you need that, but I can't imagine many people would describe them as "often entertaining". If you were entertained by the football we produced under Shan, then maybe.

His job has been decidedly better than Sanchez - nor was it a recommendation that we should appoint him, merely an observation of the job he has done.

Not sure how much of Northern Ireland you have seen? As a regular watch of the national team then the football, whilst pragmatic, has produced entertaining matches/nights at Windsor Park. I don't enjoy the style away from Belfast but as I eluded to in my initial post, he makes the most of the resources which are available to him. That will appeal to a board who will try to cut costs and obtain a promotion by spending the smallest amounts possible.

I think if you're expecting someone to come in and transform our playing style from one of organisation and discipline, then you will be the disappointed one.
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Post by: Dan on May 21, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
His job has been decidedly better than Sanchez - nor was it a recommendation that we should appoint him, merely an observation of the job he has done.

Not sure how much of Northern Ireland you have seen? As a regular watch of the national team then the football, whilst pragmatic, has produced entertaining matches/nights at Windsor Park. I don't enjoy the style away from Belfast but as I eluded to in my initial post, he makes the most of the resources which are available to him. That will appeal to a board who will try to cut costs and obtain a promotion by spending the smallest amounts possible.

I think if you're expecting someone to come in and transform our playing style from one of organisation and discipline, then you will be the disappointed one.

Not really though, Lawrie Sanchez had much tougher groups to qualify from. He still has the same win percentage as O'Neill and didn't have the benefit of expanded Euro's to qualify through either.

I don't expect a transformation but something better than the extremes of Pulis, which we certainly started becoming under Shan, and would become under O'Neill, is best avoided. There's a difference between defensive sides with some technical quality, and defensive sides devoid of any entertainment and technical ability - something O'Neill would threaten to make us, even disregarding his lack of qualifications.
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Post by: timdon on May 21, 2019, 02:57:35 PM
Not going to be O'Neill, or so the BBC understands................

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48349902
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Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2019, 03:00:44 PM
I mentioned his name a few pages back. Have a feeling he would be setting his sight at a better job than us. Especially when the board will probably tell him he doesn’t really have any money to build his own team until we shift our players.

I think you might find that Feyenoord's budget and ours is not too dissimilar. They do develop a fair numbers of players through their academy. But I know van Bronckhorst had a long association with that club, which would have been a factor in keeping him there. 

I think though it is a long shot, as he's tasted football as a player at Arsenal and Barcelona.  Still, worth asking the question though. He might know Kieran Gibbs!
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Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 21, 2019, 03:02:39 PM
I can see it being Appleton.
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Post by: jim68 on May 21, 2019, 04:50:06 PM
We need another Ron Atkinson, don't we.
Someone who seems to come out of almost nowhere and turns out to be pure gold...
yeah and cleared off not once but twice leaving us in the lurch . :'(
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Post by: Dan87uk on May 21, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Several outlets now reporting that we've "opened talks" with Cowley.

Would imagine they'll also do the same for Hughton and whoever the other two are on our shortlist.

Not too fussed as long as Appleton is not on that list.
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Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2019, 05:25:59 PM
Nixon said its between Cowley, Hughton and Appleton but who knows how accurate that is.
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Post by: Albertbaggie on May 21, 2019, 05:27:20 PM
I though it was established a week ago that Appleton is not on the list?
That's what I thought - well, it's what the Brum Mail said, however much credence we take from them..
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Post by: Floydy on May 21, 2019, 05:35:16 PM
I'm disappointed at Daniel Stendel from Barnsley isn't in the frame.  He's done a great job getting them promoted after rebuilding the team after relegation despite losing his main striker at the start of the season and then Kieffer Moore being ruled out from mid-season through concussion.
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Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2019, 05:46:33 PM
Nixon said its between Cowley, Hughton and Appleton but who knows how accurate that is.

The board seem to be lining up a transfer budget that a manger from Lincoln would be familiar with...
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
League One are you ready for us?  >:(
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Post by: AlbionBest on May 21, 2019, 07:31:38 PM
The board seem to be lining up a transfer budget that a manger from Lincoln would be familiar with...

Spot on fear from our penny pinching incompetent fools.
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Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2019, 07:36:06 PM
I hope we get Cowley, looking at his Wikipedia his career so far has been filled with promotions and record-breaking success in the lower leagues, Hughton is more of the same old.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 07:44:43 PM
I hope we get Cowley, looking at his Wikipedia his career so far has been filled with promotions and record-breaking success in the lower leagues, Hughton is more of the same old.

Really? There are plenty of managers in the lower divisions with similar achievements that would be just as suitable. Personally I think Cowley would be a terrible appointment.
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Post by: WBArgo on May 21, 2019, 08:01:39 PM
Really? There are plenty of managers in the lower divisions with similar achievements that would be just as suitable. Personally I think Cowley would be a terrible appointment.

I think promotions from the conference to league 1 in 3 seasons is excellent. I'm sure there's other successful managers down there too with equally great records, it still doesn't mean he's not done well.
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Post by: east-stand-nick on May 21, 2019, 08:12:19 PM
Those saying we're obviously going to employ Appleton aren't looking at the full picture.

We'll faff about for a month, and THEN employ Appleton.
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Post by: divinewind on May 21, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
The best managers usually played at low levels or not at all, like Hodgson, Atkinson, Mcmenemy, Wenger and Mourinho to name a few.
Just because they were great players like Robson, Don Howe etc desn't make them great managers.
The only worry i have with Cowley is the style of play, i hope he is a manager who can adapt to the tools he is given if you pardon the pun. That's if he comes.
I think i would sooner see him than all the other tired old names we keep hearing of.

If he turns us down then it really is time to worry.
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Post by: NathWBA on May 21, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
The best managers usually played at low levels or not at all, like Hodgson, Atkinson, Mcmenemy, Wenger and Mourinho to name a few.
Just because they were great players like Robson, Don Howe etc desn't make them great managers.
The only worry i have with Cowley is the style of play, i hope he is a manager who can adapt to the tools he is given if you pardon the pun. That's if he comes.
I think i would sooner see him than all the other tired old names we keep hearing of.

If he turns us down then it really is time to worry.

That bit did make me chuckle. I do agree though, I am warming to the Cowley idea but his style of play does concern me slightly. The club need to get this appointment right, so I trust the decision make to make it, probably not. Wouldn’t want to be in their shoes though, if they take an experienced manager and it fails they will get slated for taking one of the “usual suspects” if they go with a relatively untested manager and it fails they will get slated for taking someone with a lack of experience.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 21, 2019, 09:53:42 PM
To be honest i didn’t want Cowley at first. But i have since watched some YouTube videos of him talking. There is a couple of quailty coach views video in which he talks at length.

His situation at Lincoln when he first went sounds very similar to West Brom. So im not so disappointed now if it is him. He seems ready for a fight. Which this job will be.
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Post by: telford baggie on May 21, 2019, 10:03:51 PM
seen people say about style cowley would bring..cant be any worse than what shan was playing last couple of months
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Post by: pensnett stu on May 21, 2019, 10:14:45 PM
We need another Ron Atkinson, don't we.
Someone who seems to come out of almost nowhere and turns out to be pure gold...
He had a good side when he took over,not like now
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Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2019, 10:24:12 PM
I don't know alot about Cowley, but its not enough just to assess on results. You could argue that Pulis's record purely based on results isn't bad. (Unless you look at the goals scored column).  I want to see decent football on the ground, where there is a place for players with skill and flair in midfield, which won't happen if they just get by-passed. Where players are encouraged to attack as a team, not with 8 players stuck back around the half way line.  Of course building a strong defence is important, but not if it means just parking the bus.
So I hope all the candidates are being assessed on their playing style. And I don't buy the line that the manager is forced to play defensive because of the players he has. That always seems to work in favour of being defensive.   
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Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2019, 10:48:37 PM
https://www.coachesvoice.com/danny-cowley-talks-rebuilding-lincoln-city/ (https://www.coachesvoice.com/danny-cowley-talks-rebuilding-lincoln-city/)

This video very much sounds similar to what Luke Dowling was saying in his "vision" statement. I think it may be Cowley.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 21, 2019, 10:59:54 PM
seen people say about style cowley would bring..cant be any worse than what shan was playing last couple of months
yes it can... the grass on the other side of that fence is long dead, no mater how green it looks.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 21, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
Daily Mail report allegedly,

West Brom vying with Middlesbrough for Danny Cowley, Baggies closer to deal
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 11:25:22 PM
The best managers usually played at low levels or not at all, like Hodgson, Atkinson, Mcmenemy, Wenger and Mourinho to name a few.
Just because they were great players like Robson, Don Howe etc desn't make them great managers.
The only worry i have with Cowley is the style of play, i hope he is a manager who can adapt to the tools he is given if you pardon the pun. That's if he comes.
I think i would sooner see him than all the other tired old names we keep hearing of.

If he turns us down then it really is time to worry.

Guardiola, Ferguson, Clough, Robson (Bobby), Beckenbauer, Conte, Capello, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Rijkaard, Cruyff, Zidane, Shankly, Dalglish, Michels, Venables, Keegan, Simeone, Pochettino, Paisley, Pellegrini, Zagallo, Low, Allegri, Zoff, Ramsey, Del Bosque, Lippi, Heynckes, Jacquet, Klopp, Schon, Deschamps, Bearzot, Trapattoni........all played professionally and almost all at the highest level.

Scolari, Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger, Sarri, Parreira, Saachi, Hodgson are outliers rather than the norm when it comes to the better managers.

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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 11:39:20 PM
I don't know alot about Cowley, but its not enough just to assess on results. You could argue that Pulis's record purely based on results isn't bad. (Unless you look at the goals scored column).  I want to see decent football on the ground, where there is a place for players with skill and flair in midfield, which won't happen if they just get by-passed. Where players are encouraged to attack as a team, not with 8 players stuck back around the half way line.  Of course building a strong defence is important, but not if it means just parking the bus.
So I hope all the candidates are being assessed on their playing style. And I don't buy the line that the manager is forced to play defensive because of the players he has. That always seems to work in favour of being defensive.

Good post. I see a fair amount of lower league football and having seen Lincoln play on more than one occasion I can say I wasn't impressed. The game I saw them this season they were outplayed and were what I would describe as a very 'functional' side: big, strong, set-piece reliant. Pulis MKII. If the board are looking at that level I'd rather we appointed Tisdale the MK Dons manager. He did a great job on limited funds at Exeter, got promotion with MK this year and likes to play good football.
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Post by: paulosull on May 22, 2019, 12:11:50 AM
Style of play is a more direct approach in the similar mould of Pulis which will give our owner a hard on.
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Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2019, 12:14:08 AM
Only a idiotic board out of their mind would appoint a manager who has never managed above a league 2 club to a team trying to get promoted from the championship...in which case expect Cowley to get the gig. Seriously, league 2 football is closer to rugby than the premiership, success as that level and building a football team to compete in the premiership is essentially a different sport. So you'd have to be insanely incompetent to go for Cowley if your Albion. But the board do keep surprising me. Just when you think it can't get worse they find a way.
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Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2019, 12:42:23 AM
This is just depressing

https://www.coachesvoice.com/danny-cowley-how-lincoln-city-beat-burnley-fa-cup/

I don't have a problem with a non-league side going to a Premier League side and "staying in the game" but their whole emphasis was on organisation without the ball. I doubt it is ever anything other than that with the goal threat coming mainly through set peices this is Pulisball.

The great tragedy is that the squad is about to be rebuilt and there will be enough new blood coming to take us in virtually any direction we choose to go. Yet we are choosing to go for the most basic regressive type of football.
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 01:34:07 AM
This is just depressing

https://www.coachesvoice.com/danny-cowley-how-lincoln-city-beat-burnley-fa-cup/

I don't have a problem with a non-league side going to a Premier League side and "staying in the game" but their whole emphasis was on organisation without the ball. I doubt it is ever anything other than that with the goal threat coming mainly through set peices this is Pulisball.

The great tragedy is that the squad is about to be rebuilt and there will be enough new blood coming to take us in virtually any direction we choose to go. Yet we are choosing to go for the most basic regressive type of football.

Interesting listening to them. I think as a non-league manager playing away from home v a Prem league side, the Prem league team is almost certain to have more ball possession because they will be the more technically gifted. So I don't have too many problems with them sitting back and just hitting Burnley on set pieces.

But, its a different matter if they are playing against teams at their own level. If they were at the Albion, we would, or should be taking the game to the opposition and aiming to dominate ball possession. It comes down to having players who are comfortable on the ball, where quick passes are likely to hit the mark. If you have players who are not comfortable on the ball, they end up hoofing it. Or we end up playing for set pieces.
 
Are these guys the type of trainers that coach to improve the ball skills of players? Or would they bring in players who could play that way?
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Post by: baggies_24 on May 22, 2019, 06:05:52 AM
I’d also like to know if the Cowley’s have a history of bringing young players through. I think this is an absolute must for the next man in charge as it sounds like the crop of youngsters that will be coming through the academy in the next couple of years are going to be banging on the door for a place in the starting 11.
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 06:19:13 AM
Well I have watched it and all I am seeing are two chaps who clearly analyse the game to the finest detail, realise what their teams capabilities actually are and plan accordingly. I do not know a great deal about the Cowley brothers, but they are getting too much press coverage to simply be ignored.

This thread does make me smile at times. The vast majority of us all agree that we do not want the Appleton/Shan combo. Some of us are open to the safe pair of hands in Hughton, and others want managers who are probably beyond our reach, or who do not want to come here. We all agree that we need a complete rebuild, and we want an appointment that is going to take the club forward. Here are two young up and coming brothers who are clearly ambitious and attracting a lot of attention, but they are not good enough for us??? Why? because they are from the lower league? because of their style of play? We all have to start somewhere.

This team needs new blood and fresh thinking at many levels. Unlike many of you on here I do not know enough about the Cowley brothers to be critical of their style of play, so I will leave it to Luke Dowling & the board to see if they can get this one right, and if it is the Cowley brothers they will absolutely have my support.


Its a roll of the dice, but its like that with any appointment, not just these. I seem to remember we shook a two and a one with Pardew, a premier league manager apparently......... 
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Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2019, 06:33:05 AM
be nice to hear from Lincoln fans or those that have watched them as to whether the Cowleys approach has been enjoyable? Albions best teams over the years have generally not been overl possession based but have been dynamic, had width, pace , played through midfield and been exciting on the break.

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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 06:34:29 AM
From Jokanovic to the Cowley brothers. ???
Only at the Albion

Like going out shopping for some nice steak and coming back with a bag of salt and vinegar crisps.
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 06:41:50 AM
From Jokanovic to the Cowley brothers. ???
Only at the Albion

Like going out shopping for some nice steak and coming back with a bag of salt and vinegar crisps.

I know what you are saying tuamigos, is that the Jokanovic who spent £100m last season and got sacked because Fulham were rubbish?
My point is that he can certainly set a team up [or not perhaps] but would you trust him with a  transfer budget? ???

I think we also need to remember that Lincoln City won L2 with games to spare, and were the 2nd highest scorers in that division, which sort of quashes the defensive tag that the Cowley brothers have. Can anyone else see the potential irony of Lincoln making it into the Championship next year and trading places with us?

Our club is running on a very tight budget, we need to manage our expectations.
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Post by: kris_boing on May 22, 2019, 06:46:44 AM
Still expecting it to be Appleton.
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Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2019, 07:05:30 AM
Interesting tweet from Tom Farmey who is a Deputy Editor on the Daily Mail Sports desk which suggests that Albion's interest in Dan Cowley is not anywhere near advanced as was earlier reported and the matter is likely to be resolved today implying that he would be staying at Lincoln. I am giving this some weight as Farmey is from Lincolnshire and might therefore be better connected than most national journalists.

The earlier story was a Press Association story which was run in a number of papers. PA is a wire service and while their stories are often well sourced and written by competent and professional journalists they seem to have a much greater impact because their content is reproduced by other Media organisations to fill gaps in their own coverage. Once they gain traction often other outlets run similar stories just so they don't appear to be scooped.

This along with O'Neils distancing himself from the role would suggest that I have fallen into the trap of giving the press a little bit too much credit for finding out what is actually happening at the Albion.

Going back to what we know from the horses mouth. There is a short list of 4. Appleton/Shan are not on the list while not a direct quote from Dowling it seems to have been briefed to the local press as Birmingham Mail reported it.

I would be amazed if Hughton is not on the list other than that who knows?
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
Still expecting it to be Appleton.

I agree, its got Appleton/Shan written all over it.

Its a bit like a job interview at work when you know who is going to get it, but they go through the motions just so they can say it was 'an advertised post and a fair competition'. I bet the nameplates for the doors are already ordered... prove me wrong Albion.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 07:35:35 AM
I know what you are saying tuamigos, is that the Jokanovic who spent £100m last season and got sacked because Fulham were rubbish?
My point is that he can certainly set a team up [or not perhaps] but would you trust him with a  transfer budget? ???

I think we also need to remember that Lincoln City won L2 with games to spare, and were the 2nd highest scorers in that division, which sort of quashes the defensive tag that the Cowley brothers have. Can anyone else see the potential irony of Lincoln making it into the Championship next year and trading places with us?

Our club is running on a very tight budget, we need to manage our expectations.

Not advocating Jokanovic as manager just pointing out the analogy.
On the plus side we wouldn't have to worry about him spunking £100m up the wall here would we?
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Post by: NathWBA on May 22, 2019, 07:47:04 AM
I know what you are saying tuamigos, is that the Jokanovic who spent £100m last season and got sacked because Fulham were rubbish?
My point is that he can certainly set a team up [or not perhaps] but would you trust him with a  transfer budget? ???

I think we also need to remember that Lincoln City won L2 with games to spare, and were the 2nd highest scorers in that division, which sort of quashes the defensive tag that the Cowley brothers have. Can anyone else see the potential irony of Lincoln making it into the Championship next year and trading places with us?

Our club is running on a very tight budget, we need to manage our expectations.
widely reported that Jokanovic had next to no influence on the signings Fulham made and it was someone like the owners son pretty much playing football manager and signing people
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
widely reported that Jokanovic had next to no influence on the signings Fulham made and it was someone like the owners son pretty much playing football manager and signing people

This should help you out Nathan

https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/fulham-transfers-joe-bryan-jokanovic-14599209

You are correct in the fact that it was the owners son who oversaw the transfers, but Jokanovic was clearly consulted. Interesting to see that Brian Talbot is part of the process as well!
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Post by: sammyg on May 22, 2019, 09:11:40 AM
Looking on Lincoln’s message boards I’m certainly warming to the idea of getting the cowley brothers in.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
I still say Pearson should be considered

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/nigel-pearson-interview-of-course-id-be-interested-in-managing-west-brom/

But then again he's the type that speaks his mind and wouldn't put up with rubbish from the players or management.
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 09:24:42 AM
I still say Pearson should be considered

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/nigel-pearson-interview-of-course-id-be-interested-in-managing-west-brom/

But then again he's the type that speaks his mind and wouldn't put up with rubbish from the players or management.

I happen to agree with you on that one. Wont take any nonsense for sure which is exactly what we need.
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Post by: tommcneill on May 22, 2019, 09:48:29 AM
Id take Pearson swith Shakey alongside him personally if he was available. You are not going to get players running the show with him in charge
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 10:00:58 AM
Any Head Coach appointment comes with risk, but in our current state I consider that we need to mitigate that risk as much as possible.  But I dare say money will dictate the level of mitigation
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Post by: baggiemart on May 22, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
I don't know alot about Cowley, but its not enough just to assess on results. You could argue that Pulis's record purely based on results isn't bad. (Unless you look at the goals scored column).  I want to see decent football on the ground, where there is a place for players with skill and flair in midfield, which won't happen if they just get by-passed. Where players are encouraged to attack as a team, not with 8 players stuck back around the half way line.  Of course building a strong defence is important, but not if it means just parking the bus.
So I hope all the candidates are being assessed on their playing style. And I don't buy the line that the manager is forced to play defensive because of the players he has. That always seems to work in favour of being defensive.

So you are looking for a Man City or Liverpool team.  I think you need to get real.  We are in the championship with a bunch of ageing players who should have been changed over the last 3 seasons and we haven't got a lot of money.  So all i can say is good luck with that !!
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Post by: baggiemart on May 22, 2019, 10:23:28 AM
I still say Pearson should be considered

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/nigel-pearson-interview-of-course-id-be-interested-in-managing-west-brom/

But then again he's the type that speaks his mind and wouldn't put up with rubbish from the players or management.

Here's another vote for Pearson. He would do a good job and would sort a lot of the deadwood out.

With this apparent fantastic four being interviewed over the next 2 weeks and the speculation on this thread of who the 4 are and who has ruled themselves out , I'm getting a nasty feeling its going to be Appleton. 

Please Albion prove me wrong !!!!
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Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 10:25:58 AM
To be honest I'm not particularly bothered about playing style so much. I can deal with pragmatic, I can deal with direct.

What I don't want to see is us set up as we did in the Premier League when we were at home to Stoke City in front of the cameras (they were pretty much as pooh as us) and we did not cross the half way line for about the first thirty minutes.

There's being defensive minded - then there's Pulis and no-one, no-one does it quite like he does.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 22, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
article linking Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Lai/Albion do have links to Wolfsburg and they are currently in China which matches Dowling saying we cant speak to all applicants this week.

don't think it's true but its a link all the same.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-target-bundesliga-manager-as-baggies-aim-premier-league-return/
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Post by: cornishbaggie on May 22, 2019, 10:37:16 AM
I have absolutely zero trust in the Board to make the right appointment. They are worst than the f-ing Tories. Snouts in the trough, whilst being completely useless.

They should never have got rid of Darren Moore. He completely revitalised the club and the fans. He had a plan. Yes he was learning on the job and making mistakes. But what's the point in sacking him and then bringing in someone equally inexperienced in managing at the top level.

Well done to Lai and The Board for making an backside out of our club.
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Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 10:38:49 AM
Didn't disagree with getting rid of Big Dave in itself.  But there was definitely no point in doing so without a plan and bringing in a more experienced manager. 
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Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Lincoln have just released a club statement claiming that there has been no official approach from anybody for the Cowleys.
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Post by: Aztech on May 22, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
article linking Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Lai/Albion do have links to Wolfsburg and they are currently in China which matches Dowling saying we cant speak to all applicants this week.

don't think it's true but its a link all the same.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-target-bundesliga-manager-as-baggies-aim-premier-league-return/

https://www.sport.de/news/ne3649768/hsv-deswegen-sagte-bruno-labbadia-ab---wechsel-nach-england-oder-asien-moeglich/
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Post by: cornishbaggie on May 22, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Slavisa Jokanovic is to be interviewed for the vacant Middlesbrough job in the next 24 hours, Sky Sports News understands
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 22, 2019, 10:59:37 AM
No doubt he will be appointed by them also, whilst we continue to scrape the proverbial barrel.
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Post by: paulosull on May 22, 2019, 11:02:44 AM
This will probably rumble on all summer, as no one approached will work for nothing or have a mini bus to bring team to and from away matches.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2019, 11:07:11 AM
article linking Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Lai/Albion do have links to Wolfsburg and they are currently in China which matches Dowling saying we cant speak to all applicants this week.

don't think it's true but its a link all the same.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-target-bundesliga-manager-as-baggies-aim-premier-league-return/


Think there might well be some mileage in this. As you say there are links between China & German Football, & I could see Lai supporting this appointment.
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Post by: Dan on May 22, 2019, 11:10:02 AM
Whoever comes in likely has a big rebuild job on their hands, which coupled with the fact the transfer window ends early August now really doesn't leave much time at all - plus obviously ideally you want the new manager to have a pre-season with the core of the squad rather than half of them arriving afterwards. If we don't have someone appointed by the end of next week - having known we've needed a manager since March, that would be shocking.

Although we took a ridiculous amount of time to replace Mel who we knew was going to leave months before he did, and still took over a month after he left, only to end up with Alan Irvine.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 22, 2019, 11:10:24 AM
So  Slavisa Jokanovic will probably become Middlesboro manage within the next few days, Michael O'neill has said he wants to stay at N. Ireland, Lincoln haven't been approached by Albion for the Cowleys, Hughton wants to manage a premier club.  All these are statements picked up on this thread.  So who on earth are the 4 managers being interviewed by Albion !!!!
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Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 11:12:03 AM
So  Slavisa Jokanovic will probably become Middlesboro manage within the next few days, Michael O'neill has said he wants to stay at N. Ireland, Lincoln haven't been approached by Albion for the Cowleys, Hughton wants to manage a premier club.  All these are statements picked up on this thread.  So who on earth are the 4 managers being interviewed by Albion !!!!


I wouldn't pay too much attention to all the rumours you read / hear.
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Post by: divinewind on May 22, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
So  Slavisa Jokanovic will probably become Middlesboro manage within the next few days, Michael O'neill has said he wants to stay at N. Ireland, Lincoln haven't been approached by Albion for the Cowleys, Hughton wants to manage a premier club.  All these are statements picked up on this thread.  So who on earth are the 4 managers being interviewed by Albion !!!!

Appleton, Shan and Reid are three of them. No idea who the other is.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 22, 2019, 11:17:04 AM
I know what you are saying tuamigos, is that the Jokanovic who spent £100m last season and got sacked because Fulham were rubbish?
My point is that he can certainly set a team up [or not perhaps] but would you trust him with a  transfer budget? ???


I think we also need to remember that Lincoln City won L2 with games to spare, and were the 2nd highest scorers in that division, which sort of quashes the defensive tag that the Cowley brothers have. Can anyone else see the potential irony of Lincoln making it into the Championship next year and trading places with us?

Our club is running on a very tight budget, we need to manage our expectations.

I don't think Jokanovic was responsible for much of the transfer dealings at Fulham, the owners son had big involvement and i'm sure his friend did at one time which did cause problems between them and Jokanovic at times.

According to this the have a recruitment team - https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

and according to this he was unhappy at being constantly overlooked regarding transfers - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11681/11195631/slavisa-jokanovic-suggests-fulham-should-sack-him-if-he-continues-to-be-overlooked-on-transfers
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
I don't think Jokanovic was responsible for much of the transfer dealings at Fulham, the owners son had big involvement and i'm sure his friend did at one time which did cause problems between them and Jokanovic at times.

According to this the have a recruitment team - https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

and according to this he was unhappy at being constantly overlooked regarding transfers - https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11681/11195631/slavisa-jokanovic-suggests-fulham-should-sack-him-if-he-continues-to-be-overlooked-on-transfers

I take your point Phil, but the second article is dated 05/01/18 when Fulham were in the Championship. I assume that they kissed and made up because he got them promoted by beating the vile in the play offs, and was eventually sacked in November 2018. It is true that others were involved in the acquisition of players, and this would be true for the majority of clubs in the football leagues.

It would be foolish to say that Jokanovic was totally responsible for all of the £100m transfers as that would clearly be incorrect. However, it would be niave to believe that he had absolutely no say in any of those transfers.

For the record I would like Jokanovic at the club, he cannot waste our transfer budget because we haven't got one!   
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
Anyone advocating for Cowley over Jokanovic deserves all they get imo. Lean times ahead.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 22, 2019, 11:37:18 AM
I take your point Phil, but the second article is dated 05/01/18 when Fulham were in the Championship. I assume that they kissed and made up because he got them promoted by beating the vile in the play offs, and was eventually sacked in November 2018. It is true that others were involved in the acquisition of players, and this would be true for the majority of clubs in the football leagues.

It would be foolish to say that Jokanovic was totally responsible for all of the £100m transfers as that would clearly be incorrect. However, it would be niave to believe that he had absolutely no say in any of those transfers.

For the record I would like Jokanovic at the club, he cannot waste our transfer budget because we haven't got one!   

I don't think much changed, in the second one it does say Ranieri was happy to work with that model. I know they got rid of Khans sons friend after a while but seems much stayed the same.

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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 11:43:37 AM
This is more like it.
Hope its got legs

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/05/22/do-nigel-pearson-discusses-whether-he-wants-the-west-brom-job/
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Post by: jimmyj on May 22, 2019, 11:43:40 AM

Think there might well be some mileage in this. As you say there are links between China & German Football, & I could see Lai supporting this appointment.

This is the most promising rumour to come out so far.
Sixth in the Bundesliga is nothing to be sniffed at. Played as a striker and his teams score goals, has a circa 45% win ratio throughout his managerial career (would be nice if it were higher, but thats the number a club of a stature should be happy with). The German press is reporting that he has made clear he is looking at options in England, can't expect to walk into a premiership job. 

If this is the one, I'm optimistic.
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Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
This is the most promising rumour to come out so far.
Sixth in the Bundesliga is nothing to be sniffed at. Played as a striker and his teams score goals, has a circa 45% win ratio throughout his managerial career (would be nice if it were higher, but thats the number a club of a stature should be happy with). The German press is reporting that he has made clear he is looking at options in England, can't expect to walk into a premiership job. 

If this is the one, I'm optimistic.


I'm fairly optimistic about any of the names we presume are on our list.

The one thing you can say about all of them is that they have been successful in their managerial careers.

I'd rather them than the old guys from the managerial merry-go-round that have won nothing and achieved little other than keeping some club in the Premier League.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 22, 2019, 11:57:12 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48365777

Lincoln City deny reports of West Brom approach for duo of Danny and Nicky Cowley.
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Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 11:59:06 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48365777

Lincoln City deny reports of West Brom approach for duo of Danny and Nicky Cowley.


They probably haven't been approached. That doesn't mean we haven't spoken to the Cowley's or their representatives though.

I presume Albion will only approach Lincoln if they decide they want to bring the Cowley's to the club.
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Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
Matt Wilson stating that Michael O'Neill is not on the shortlist.

Three hours ago apparently on Twitter. I'd missed that.  :o
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Post by: Mister AT on May 22, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
So  Slavisa Jokanovic will probably become Middlesboro manage within the next few days, Michael O'neill has said he wants to stay at N. Ireland, Lincoln haven't been approached by Albion for the Cowleys, Hughton wants to manage a premier club.  All these are statements picked up on this thread.  So who on earth are the 4 managers being interviewed by Albion !!!!

For what it’s worth, Jokanovic priced himself out of our job, wanted too much money. For him to become the boro manager he will be their best paid manager ever. The club simply aren’t going to be throwing money around this summer, the Dwight Gayle scenario proves that.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 12:42:07 PM
For what it’s worth, Jokanovic priced himself out of our job, wanted too much money. For him to become the boro manager he will be their best paid manager ever. The club simply aren’t going to be throwing money around this summer, the Dwight Gayle scenario proves that.

How do you know that?
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Post by: timdon on May 22, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Anyone advocating for Cowley over Jokanovic deserves all they get imo. Lean times ahead.
Haven't seen a single example of this.
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Post by: SirTonyM on May 22, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
Does anyone know for sure who is on this list that seems so mysterious? John Percy said we were going to talk to Hughton  and then there was speculation in the tabloids about Cowley and O'Neil (O'Neil is now out apparently). Other than that it seems like conjecture...
I loved the old days when we knew our manager would either be Ron, Ronnie, John or Jonny...that at least narrowed it down to 4 options ;)
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Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 22, 2019, 01:19:47 PM
Does anyone know for sure who is on this list that seems so mysterious? John Percy said we were going to talk to Hughton  and then there was speculation in the tabloids about Cowley and O'Neil (O'Neil is now out apparently). Other than that it seems like conjecture...
I loved the old days when we knew our manager would either be Ron, Ronnie, John or Jonny...that at least narrowed it down to 4 options ;)

Yeah now its either Tony, Alan, Alan or Tony  ;)
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Post by: timdon on May 22, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
Does anyone know for sure who is on this list that seems so mysterious? John Percy said we were going to talk to Hughton  and then there was speculation in the tabloids about Cowley and O'Neil (O'Neil is now out apparently). Other than that it seems like conjecture...
I loved the old days when we knew our manager would either be Ron, Ronnie, John or Jonny...that at least narrowed it down to 4 options ;)
Broadly speaking the answer to your question is no. Some people on here are guilty of building a tower based on speculation, on a foundation of rumour, and calling it a house of fact. A degree of cynicism is needed when reading the press. Like us, they will only know anything when an appointment is imminent.
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Post by: kris_boing on May 22, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
Does anyone know for sure who is on this list that seems so mysterious? John Percy said we were going to talk to Hughton  and then there was speculation in the tabloids about Cowley and O'Neil (O'Neil is now out apparently). Other than that it seems like conjecture...
I loved the old days when we knew our manager would either be Ron, Ronnie, John or Jonny...that at least narrowed it down to 4 options ;)

The 3 candidates are Michael Appleton, Mike Appleton and Mick Appleton.   ;D
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Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
The 3 candidates are Michael Appleton, Mike Appleton and Mick Appleton.   ;D

Number four was Mikey Appleton  ;D
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 01:52:38 PM
The only name we can be as certain of as is possible, given the secrecy surrounding the appointment, is that of Chris Hughton, courtesy of the reliable John Percy 
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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 01:59:08 PM
The only name we can be as certain of as is possible, given the secrecy surrounding the appointment, is that of Chris Hughton, courtesy of the reliable John Percy

who has said that he's not interested in this or the Middlesboro job. Apparently
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 02:15:20 PM
who has said that he's not interested in this or the Middlesboro job. Apparently

I posted this earlier in this thread, but would suggest that Percy's article would be more accurate, personally

Reports from clickbait sites suggesting Hughton is making his mind up between us and Borough

Source: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hughton-makes-up-mind-over-west-brom-and-middlesbrough-jobs/
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

" WBA make contact with Lincoln and boss Danny Cowley but others still in the frame for vacant head coach role. Michael O’Neill, however, is not on the shortlist"
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

"from what I gather, there's been contact with Cowley (or his people). He's on the 4man shortlist. Lincoln say no 'official approach' which is prob right. Wouldn't necessarily expect 'official approach' unless WBA were sure he was their man. And they're still talking to people."
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Post by: baggie38 on May 22, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
I don't know about anybody else but I'm so tired and bored of this already. Anyone but Cowley for me. Yes he has done well but the national league and league 2 are a whole different ball game.
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Post by: baggiemart on May 22, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
For me I would be happy with any of  Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Nigel Pearson or Danny Cowley and get Chris hughton to make the 4.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2019, 03:26:36 PM
For me I would be happy with any of  Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Nigel Pearson or Danny Cowley and get Chris hughton to make the 4.

 :D you just know that three of those names won't be on the list don't you?
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
I watch a fair amount of Bundesliga (probably more than I do Prem League) and think we should definitely consider Bruno Labbadia. He is fairly exerienced and absolutely  crazy that he's got the push from Wolfsburg. They just about survived relegation in 2018 and this season he's has got them into 6th place and the Europa League! Finished the season with an 8-1 victory. It seems the reason was something personal to do with the Wolfsburg hierarchy. 
He's a lively charismatic bloke. I don't know what his english is like and he would obviously have a culture shock coming into a league where he probably knows next to nothing about. He seems to gel with players, you see him taking training sessions. If  he can bring that over into the different language and culture, I think he is my first choice from the names seriously being mentioned. 
 
 
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Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
I watch a fair amount of Bundesliga (probably more than I do Prem League) and think we should definitely consider Bruno Labbadia. He is fairly exerienced and absolutely  crazy that he's got the push from Wolfsburg. They just about survived relegation in 2018 and this season he's has got them into 6th place and the Europa League! Finished the season with an 8-1 victory. It seems the reason was something personal to do with the Wolfsburg hierarchy. 
He's a lively charismatic bloke. I don't know what his english is like and he would obviously have a culture shock coming into a league where he probably knows next to nothing about. He seems to gel with players, you see him taking training sessions. If  he can bring that over into the different language and culture, I think he is my first choice from the names seriously being mentioned.

Can't see him considering us mate .Maybe if we were in the premier league? Wagner was a youth team/ reserve coach before he joined Huddersfield which is about our level now for overseas coaches looking to further their careers in Europe.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 22, 2019, 04:03:26 PM
be nice to hear from Lincoln fans or those that have watched them as to whether the Cowleys approach has been enjoyable? Albions best teams over the years have generally not been overl possession based but have been dynamic, had width, pace , played through midfield and been exciting on the break.
It’s always good to get feedback from fans of another club, but it would always be down to personal opinion. Just look at this site. Often I’ll watch a game, and have my in views on what I thought was good or bad. Then I come on here for the after match chat, and end up questioning myself as to whether I’d seen the same game. :D
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 04:16:51 PM
Can't see him considering us mate .Maybe if we were in the premier league? Wagner was a youth team/ reserve coach before he joined Huddersfield which is about our level now for overseas coaches looking to further their careers in Europe.
You may be right, but must be worth approaching him. This is also in the German sports press.
https://www.sport.de/news/ne3649768/hsv-deswegen-sagte-bruno-labbadia-ab---wechsel-nach-england-oder-asien-moeglich/

https://onefootball.com/de/news/spardiktat-warum-labbadia-nicht-zum-hsv-zurueckkehrt-de-25726338?variable=20190522

Apparently he's turned down Hamburger SV, which is a much bigger club than ours, as he's looking to England or China. I would guess though that Hamburger SV have a smaller budget than Albion's judging by the players they've bought.   
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Post by: gerry m on May 22, 2019, 04:17:27 PM
I know what you are saying tuamigos, is that the Jokanovic who spent £100m last season and got sacked because Fulham were rubbish?
My point is that he can certainly set a team up [or not perhaps] but would you trust him with a  transfer budget? ???

I think we also need to remember that Lincoln City won L2 with games to spare, and were the 2nd highest scorers in that division, which sort of quashes the defensive tag that the Cowley brothers have. Can anyone else see the potential irony of Lincoln making it into the Championship next year and trading places with us?

Our club is running on a very tight budget, we need to manage our expectations.

So Lincoln won League 2 with games to spare and scored lots of goals! We were in the Prem for many years and last season in the Champ!. Cowley in my opinion is a backward step but for our club with no ambition he is a cheap and cheerful option.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 22, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
Saw a report that Chris Hughton is not interested in us or Boro as he is wanting a Premier League job, if this is true then I don't want him, I want someone willing to put the hard work in to get us into the Prem not have that part of the job done for them.
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Post by: Oldbury24 on May 22, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
So Lincoln won League 2 with games to spare and scored lots of goals! We were in the Prem for many years and last season in the Champ!. Cowley in my opinion is a backward step but for our club with no ambition he is a cheap and cheerful option.

Not saying the Cowley's are the right choice as don't know enough about them, but the club does feel in need of an influx of younger, more hungry professionals who have know recent success and can bring that impetus.   We need to get over ourselves, accept that we can no longer compete with those clubs who do have financial backing.  I don't care if these guys only want £10 a week and some beer money if they can bring some positive energy back into the Hawthorns.  We have seen expensive names fail dismally and leave the club almost on its knees so maybe it is time for a change of direction.
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Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2019, 04:59:51 PM
You may be right, but must be worth approaching him. This is also in the German sports press.
https://www.sport.de/news/ne3649768/hsv-deswegen-sagte-bruno-labbadia-ab---wechsel-nach-england-oder-asien-moeglich/

https://onefootball.com/de/news/spardiktat-warum-labbadia-nicht-zum-hsv-zurueckkehrt-de-25726338?variable=20190522

Apparently he's turned down Hamburger SV, which is a much bigger club than ours, as he's looking to England or China. I would guess though that Hamburger SV have a smaller budget than Albion's judging by the players they've bought.

Well if he's interested we could do a lot worse, experienced and has a clear track record. Wolfsburg are massively backed by Volkswagen though and in Germany are a big club (maybe like Everton over here). Might seem a strange move for him to come to us but I'd welcome it...........
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Post by: AlbionBest on May 22, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
Still like to see us go after Bristol City's Johnson.

If we are seriously looking at Crowley then what about Stendel at Barnsley ?
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Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 05:34:48 PM
For me I would be happy with any of  Bruno Labbadia of Wolfsburg. Nigel Pearson or Danny Cowley and get Chris hughton to make the 4.



In for talks. They must be monitoring this forum.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/

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Post by: AlbionBest on May 22, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
Here's a list of current manager in England:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Premier_League_and_English_Football_League_managers
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Post by: wbarenno on May 22, 2019, 05:43:51 PM
Still like to see us go after Bristol City's Johnson.

If we are seriously looking at Crowley then what about Stendel at Barnsley ?

Why would he leave Bristol city to come to us , sidewards at best
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 05:47:52 PM


In for talks. They must be monitoring this forum.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/

To me, this is the kind of left field we need and whilst I know not a thing about the guy, I feel a buzz and a good feeling, bring him on!

ps if we can't get Jokanovic of course
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Post by: AlbionBest on May 22, 2019, 05:52:01 PM
Why would he leave Bristol city to come to us , sidewards at best

Worrying for us then as we have been a Prem mainstay for over 15 years !!!!
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Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 05:56:29 PM
To me, this is the kind of left field we need and whilst I know not a thing about the guy, I feel a buzz and a good feeling, bring him on!

ps if we can't get Jokanovic of course

Would also mean the scouting system would get an overhaul. 2 birds 1 stone.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
West Brom set for talks with outgoing Wolfsburg manager Bruno Labbadia

Suddenly, my interest has been recaptured!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 22, 2019, 06:01:05 PM
Worrying for us then as we have been a Prem mainstay for over 15 years !!!!

Johnson is a Bristol City man through and through and they are a club with a lot of potential. I wouldn't describe his moving to us as a sideways step, but I wouldn't say it's much of a leap up, and there's nothing worrying about that at all.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 22, 2019, 06:03:16 PM
West Brom set for talks with outgoing Wolfsburg manager Bruno Labbadia

Suddenly, my interest has been recaptured!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/

Yes, this is more like it.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 22, 2019, 06:07:44 PM
West Brom set for talks with outgoing Wolfsburg manager Bruno Labbadia

Suddenly, my interest has been recaptured!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/

Does seem to be more interesting and would get the juices going...

Labbadia.   Interesting anagram possible... Bad *****

Surely wouldn't choose us though and would have better options??
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 06:17:10 PM
West Brom set for talks with outgoing Wolfsburg manager Bruno Labbadia

Suddenly, my interest has been recaptured!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/
From the other German managers in England, Labaddia would easily be the most high profile,  with the obvious exception of Klopp.  Dowling is quoted as saying they are looking for someone with 'passion and purpose' , and you could certainly say that of Labbadia in a German context. To be honest I don't know what his english is like, which is obviously fairly fundamental.
If we wanted to give him a contract, my main worry would be other English clubs on the prowl who might get in first. He has said he's looking in England and China.
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Post by: wbarenno on May 22, 2019, 06:18:17 PM
Worrying for us then as we have been a Prem mainstay for over 15 years !!!!

Not anymore I’m afraid mate , we’re in the same pool as Bristol city now. Yes we’re a bigger club but in the grand scheme of things we’re in the same boat as teams like Bristol city , same as monk at blues why would he leave. We don’t have anything more then these clubs now , only history and at the minute it counts for nothing
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 22, 2019, 06:23:40 PM
The club is still dragging things out.
When will we know?
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Post by: WBArgo on May 22, 2019, 06:35:22 PM
For those saying Labbadia may be too big for us - remember it's currently quite fashionable for German managers to come here since Klopp (Huddersfield and Norwich) so he may embrace the challenge.
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Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 06:39:15 PM
I would assume he would want guarantees that there are decent funds available to seriously consider joining us.
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Post by: NathWBA on May 22, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
The club is still dragging things out.
When will we know?
the club said last week interviews will be this week and next week, reasonable to assume we won’t hear anything until interviews conclude
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
I would assume he would want guarantees that there are decent funds available.
I don't know what Labbadia's budget was at Wolfsburg. They are backed by Volkswagen but there is a rule preventing more than 50% ownership so its nothing like the money Prem league clubs can throw at it.  I know when he was at Hamburger SV probably about half their team would have got into our first team. So I wouldn't say he had alot more funds available there. I watched several games when he was in charge there.

His problem at Wolfsburg seemed to be personal as he didn't get on with their Director of Football, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was about money.
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Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 07:02:26 PM
No, but if we are looking to sell half our team i am sure he will want all the money generated from those sales at the least.
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Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2019, 07:09:02 PM
Without knowing anything about him I'd be happier with Labbadia than the brothers from league 2 football. In Germany they place more emphasis on intelligence and academia when developing coaches, so they tend to be a bit smarter than your average British coach. He wouldn't have a clue about the championship but we'd have to hope that would be offset by his knowledge of Bundesliga players to target.
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 07:12:28 PM
No, but if we are looking to sell half our team i am sure he will want all the money generated from those sales at the least.
I really don't know, but I get the impression that in Germany its about having a settled policy as a club where they are going. Developing their own youth seems to be as important as just wheeling and dealing in the transfer market. But they are very results orientated as well. You don't last long if you don't produce results. 
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Post by: Mister AT on May 22, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
Not anymore I’m afraid mate , we’re in the same pool as Bristol city now. Yes we’re a bigger club but in the grand scheme of things we’re in the same boat as teams like Bristol city , same as monk at blues why would he leave. We don’t have anything more then these clubs now , only history and at the minute it counts for nothing

For what it’s worth Johnson has apparently signed a new contract.
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Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
Well we are the opposite of the German model is a I can say
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Post by: Dan87uk on May 22, 2019, 07:47:40 PM
Being linked with Bruno Labbadia has most certainly caught my attention and for me represents an opportunity for the "fresh start" recently mentioned to kick into full swing.

Get him in if we can!
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 22, 2019, 08:44:04 PM
Not anymore I’m afraid mate , we’re in the same pool as Bristol city now. Yes we’re a bigger club but in the grand scheme of things we’re in the same boat as teams like Bristol city , same as monk at blues why would he leave. We don’t have anything more then these clubs now , only history and at the minute it counts for nothing

Well, for one more season we have a £34m advantage over those two clubs through the parachute payment.
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Post by: timdon on May 22, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
West Brom set for talks with outgoing Wolfsburg manager Bruno Labbadia

Suddenly, my interest has been recaptured!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/22/west-brom-set-for-talks-with-outgoing-wolfsburg-manager-bruno-labbadia/
Nothing in this article that is new. A quick read of wikipedia and a quick scan of German football news, and any of us could have written it. No quotes, no links, no details. Don't get your hopes up.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 09:02:31 PM
Nothing in this article that is new. A quick read of wikipedia and a quick scan of German football news, and any of us could have written it. No quotes, no links, no details. Don't get your hopes up.

SkySports at it as well!

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11726450/west-brom-to-approach-bruno-labbadia-for-manager-role
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Post by: timdon on May 22, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
SkySports at it as well!

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11726450/west-brom-to-approach-bruno-labbadia-for-manager-role
See my previous post. Same old.
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Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
Well I leave this alone for 12 hours and like wtf? We lurch from the Brothers Grim to Bruno Labbadia.

Now I would say that this takes us in a completely different direction. He is not in the least bit in the pragmatic school of football coaching. Stock formation 4-3-3 plays out from the back and Wolfsburg had the 5th highest pressing stats in the Bundesliga last season. This is Jones/Moore on steroids.

The only way we go down this route is if we pretty much ditch the squad and press the reset button which is fine but this is not a safe appointment.

With regards to money. Wolfsburg are probably about the 4th or 5th highest payers in the Bundeliga which in Premier League terms put them on a par with Watford my guess is like most coaches in the Bundesliga he is paid considerably less than the typical  PL coach.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 22, 2019, 09:51:21 PM
See my previous post. Same old.

Seems to gain legs and momentum

https://readwestbrom.com/2019/05/22/west-brom-poised-for-talks-with-labbadia/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 10:16:32 PM
Well I leave this alone for 12 hours and like wtf? We lurch from the Brothers Grim to Bruno Labbadia.

Now I would say that this takes us in a completely different direction. He is not in the least bit in the pragmatic school of football coaching. Stock formation 4-3-3 plays out from the back and Wolfsburg had the 5th highest pressing stats in the Bundesliga last season. This is Jones/Moore on steroids.

The only way we go down this route is if we pretty much ditch the squad and press the reset button which is fine but this is not a safe appointment.

With regards to money. Wolfsburg are probably about the 4th or 5th highest payers in the Bundeliga which in Premier League terms put them on a par with Watford my guess is like most coaches in the Bundesliga he is paid considerably less than the typical  PL coach.

But reading your last post, you seem to be all against the Cowley Bros-too much like   Pulisbal -  but you don't want the opposite either.
There is one big difference to Darren Moore and that is he was a novice in his first job, Labbidia is experienced. So even if its another culture, you'd hope he'd know how to compromise with the players he has available. 
I think you'll find the vast majority of European managers favour a more passing game.
So on that basis, unless teams are full of players who have been coached the same way,
then they would all be failures in an English league. That would have been much the same when Wagner and Farke arrived, though of course they may wish to bring in some
Continental players with them.
Personally, I think Labbadia is a gamble worth taking. Though I suppose it might stumble over the finances. What would really irritate me is if Boro or Swansea got in first through us dithering.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on May 22, 2019, 10:17:01 PM
I’m not buying into this link with the German manager ( hope I’m proven wrong). Stinks of the club leaking a bit of info to say to the fans ‘at least we tried to be ambitious’ and end up with someone mediocre. Think back a couple windows ago when we were linked with carvalho and ended up with Livermore  :(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggies_24 on May 22, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
For those interested in the tactical side of things great article on the tactics Labbadia likes to employ.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/footballbh.net/2019/03/29/bruno-labbadia-wolfsburg-bundesliga-tactical-analysis/amp/ (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/footballbh.net/2019/03/29/bruno-labbadia-wolfsburg-bundesliga-tactical-analysis/amp/)

Obviously just papertalk at the moment but if that’s how he sets his teams up we’d be looking at at least 6 or 7 new first team players as there’s no way our current squad could play that type of football.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 22, 2019, 10:34:07 PM
I’m not buying into this link with the German manager ( hope I’m proven wrong). Stinks of the club leaking a bit of info to say to the fans ‘at least we tried to be ambitious’ and end up with someone mediocre. Think back a couple windows ago when we were linked with carvalho and ended up with Livermore  :(
the original article comes from German paper Sportbild... unless Albion confused Wolfsburg with Wolverhampton and spoke to the wrong paper, I don't think it was them that created the leak.
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Post by: vrabbit on May 22, 2019, 10:34:19 PM
I’m not buying into this link with the German manager ( hope I’m proven wrong). Stinks of the club leaking a bit of info to say to the fans ‘at least we tried to be ambitious’ and end up with someone mediocre. Think back a couple windows ago when we were linked with carvalho and ended up with Livermore  :(

I find it really difficult to believe a manager leaving an Europa League side would then choose to go to the Championship as if he wouldn't have better options.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2019, 10:46:46 PM
I find it really difficult to believe a manager leaving an Europa League side would then choose to go to the Championship as if he wouldn't have better options.
He says he's wants to try England or China (though the article doesn't rule out elsewhere) If it's England, I agree that if a Prem league team came in for him, we are pretty much stuffed, but I can't see vacancies there. So its Boro, Swansea etc. we may be competing with. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: caravanc58 on May 22, 2019, 11:03:07 PM
this could end up like the Lukaku coming back for a second season and ending up with Anichibe.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2019, 11:05:20 PM
He says he's wants to try England or China (though the article doesn't rule out elsewhere) If it's England, I agree that if a Prem league team came in for him, we are pretty much stuffed, but I can't see vacancies there. So its Boro, Swansea etc. we may be competing with.
When he says England / china,he is basically saying that he is chasing the cash, in which case I would suggest that it is not likely that he will be coming to the Albion
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
There was a tweet earlier from one of the local reporters saying that he sees us as a gateway into the Premier league.

He believes us to be in a false position and is willing to drop down short term to get back there with us in English top flight football.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on May 22, 2019, 11:31:22 PM
There was a tweet earlier from one of the local reporters saying that he sees us as a gateway into the Premier league.

He believes us to be in a false position and is willing to drop down short term to get back there with us in English top flight football.
Any chance of a link to that tweet?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2019, 11:41:09 PM
Rob Dorsett said it in the article on Sky Sports. It didn't say the false position part though, not when i read it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2019, 12:34:26 AM
But reading your last post, you seem to be all against the Cowley Bros-too much like   Pulisbal -  but you don't want the opposite either.
There is one big difference to Darren Moore and that is he was a novice in his first job, Labbidia is experienced. So even if its another culture, you'd hope he'd know how to compromise with the players he has available. 
I think you'll find the vast majority of European managers favour a more passing game.
So on that basis, unless teams are full of players who have been coached the same way,
then they would all be failures in an English league. That would have been much the same when Wagner and Farke arrived, though of course they may wish to bring in some
Continental players with them.
Personally, I think Labbadia is a gamble worth taking. Though I suppose it might stumble over the finances. What would really irritate me is if Boro or Swansea got in first through us dithering.

Sorry it almost goes without saying I am all for a coach Labbadia's standing however unlikely it may seem and would welcome the appointment with a degree of optimism.

My point is that if there is a logic to this process and a clear idea of where the club is heading then the short list is one thing or another. It is all pragmatists or it is all progressives. Labbadia and Cowley should not be on the same short list (if of course they are which is debatable). Cowley, Hughton and O'Neil kind of made sense whereas Cowley Hughton and Labbadia does not. We still don't know who the fourth man is and this search may still have more plot twists than a John Le Carre novel.

What you see is what get applies to coaches. Nearly all coaches have a default mode of play and while in the short term they might modify that slightly longer term they will nearly always attempt to play that way. In any search for a coach the most pertinent question is does that style fit the current squad? If the answer is no,  then the next question is can the squad be changed to fit the style? If the honest answer to that is, no then find another coach.

In this instance because of the turnover that has already happened let alone other outbound transfers this coach has the perfect opportunity to shape the squad to their requirements.

Looking at Labbadia and his motivation. The parting from Wolfsburg seemed to be motivated by a bust up behind the scenes. If he wants to come to England there aren't any Premier League vacancies and ignoring Sarri at Chelsea every other coach seems fairly settled. In the short term the only route into English football is the Championship. Whatever we might think at least on the face of it we are at least as good as prospect as Swansea or Middlesbrough who both have issues. 

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: loucanova on May 23, 2019, 03:23:50 AM
If we are thinking about going down the German league coach route, and I think we should do, then why are we not targeting Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has had a tremendous first full season over here in achieving promotion with a squad assembled for peanuts whilst playing a very decent style of football too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2019, 06:38:32 AM
I’m not buying into this link with the German manager ( hope I’m proven wrong). Stinks of the club leaking a bit of info to say to the fans ‘at least we tried to be ambitious’ and end up with someone mediocre. Think back a couple windows ago when we were linked with carvalho and ended up with Livermore  :(

I was thinking this myself.
Martin Swain was head of sports at the E & S before he came to us and hey low and behold its Matt Wilson of the said same rag that seems to be the main outlet for this story.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 07:00:22 AM
Conspiracy theories abound
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie53 on May 23, 2019, 07:48:56 AM
The Labbadia rumours are like deja vu

Remember when we were linked with Ralf Rangnick a few years ago?

That came to nothing as well
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2019, 07:56:52 AM
Just for fun how about this?

 We sack Darren Moore in March. Labbadia announces he is quitting Wolfsberg but not until the end of the season also in March. You want Labbadia you think he is damn near perfect best coach you could possibly appoint. What are you going to do?

PS E&S did not break the Labbadia story.

But never let a chance to weave a perfectly good conspiracy theory go begging.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on May 23, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
Thinking of Labbadia and the like, I might be hoping a bit here here but possibly the No. 1 selling point we may have for a new manager is the academy set-up. There is now something to impress a prospective manager - reaching the FA youth cup semi, the exploits of Rogers, Barry and others in England age groups.  We could sell it as a 2 or 3 year project to build a new team.


I suspect these lads have been brought through with good skill levels, pace, versatility and whatever. If we want to use this, I can't see the point of appointing a pragmatic manager who will impose a conservative direct style. The most talented ones who may have ambitions of eventually playing for a top 6 prem club or top European side won't be able to leave the club quickly enough as they'll doubt they'll get the chance to catch the eye with us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2019, 08:09:59 AM
Just for fun how about this?

 We sack Darren Moore in March. Labbadia announces he is quitting Wolfsberg but not until the end of the season also in March. You want Labbadia you think he is damn near perfect best coach you could possibly appoint. What are you going to do?

PS E&S did not break the Labbadia story.

But never let a chance to weave a perfectly good conspiracy theory go begging.

PS. Nobody said E&S did break the story.
PS I said Matt Wilson appears to be the main outlet
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie steve on May 23, 2019, 08:34:01 AM
If we are thinking about going down the German league coach route, and I think we should do, then why are we not targeting Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has had a tremendous first full season over here in achieving promotion with a squad assembled for peanuts whilst playing a very decent style of football too.

A good shout mate.
Along with Grant MCCann .
Two managers I'd be very happy with......
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 23, 2019, 08:50:18 AM
It'll be interesting. What tickled me was the Skysports article that quickly suggested the wages would be an issue.

If we want a quality manager in charge we have to make him the highest paid person in terms of personnel at this level. Labbadia ticks all the boxes and his credentials would demand a Premier League pay packet. Quite simply we need to be willing to pay it. Otherwise we may as well not even bother interviewing anyone on that level.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if this proves a stumbling block with Hughton too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
Any chance of a link to that tweet?

On training courses for work but will try and dig it out
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
It'll be interesting. What tickled me was the Skysports article that quickly suggested the wages would be an issue.

If we want a quality manager in charge we have to make him the highest paid person in terms of personnel at this level. Labbadia ticks all the boxes and his credentials would demand a Premier League pay packet. Quite simply we need to be willing to pay it. Otherwise we may as well not even bother interviewing anyone on that level.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if this proves a stumbling block with Hughton too.

Again I think it was in the same tweet it's already been confirmed we are not keen on paying Hughton what he wants.

Same old nonsense. Know what they want but refuse to pay for it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
IMO, the David Wagner pursuit was a serious bid, as a result of that the Labbadia rumour & the German model does make sense.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on May 23, 2019, 09:04:44 AM
For those interested in the tactical side of things great article on the tactics Labbadia likes to employ.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/footballbh.net/2019/03/29/bruno-labbadia-wolfsburg-bundesliga-tactical-analysis/amp/ (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/footballbh.net/2019/03/29/bruno-labbadia-wolfsburg-bundesliga-tactical-analysis/amp/)

Obviously just papertalk at the moment but if that’s how he sets his teams up we’d be looking at at least 6 or 7 new first team players as there’s no way our current squad could play that type of football.

Labbadia (sounds like a erotic dance) has tactics that rely on players that can pass the ball and vary their play according to what the opposition is doing.  Also they have and effective target man acting as pivot.  Ho-hum.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2019, 09:05:10 AM
Again I think it was in the same tweet it's already been confirmed we are not keen on paying Hughton what he wants.

Same old nonsense. Know what they want but refuse to pay for it.

It could be that reason, but we already have a low cost access to a pragmatic style, is Hughton's experience worth the difference in cost?
On the other hand, the board probably recognises that we have to pay for the change of direction that a German coach would bring.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tommcneill on May 23, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
Im excited by the rumours of Labbadia becoming manager.

Alas this Albion though and ive been burnt before by exciting rumours that turn out to be false dawns.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
Labbadia (sounds like a erotic dance) has tactics that rely on players that can pass the ball and vary their play according to what the opposition is doing.  Also they have and effective target man acting as pivot.  Ho-hum.

if that's the way he plays it, now would be the ideal time to implement the change.
I guess we will have a significant change over in personnel this season so let the guy bring in what he needs and ship out what he doesn't.
This is all assuming that Bruno is in the frame!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 23, 2019, 09:38:13 AM
With regards to that Labbadia article on style of play. In our current squad, you'd have to say those that can adapt to this style would be; Gibbs and Hegazi who realistically could leave, potentially Field as the sitting midfielder but that's not 100%, Phillips as the RW and possibly Edwards as LW but we haven't really seen enough of him to judge.

J-Rod wouldn't suit the striker role. I don't think Johnstone is the keeper if we're playing out from the back. If we went for this guy then the squad would need a complete overhaul with the likes of Livermore, Burke, Brunt, Leko, Bartley all being back up.

So that would be at least 7 for the starting line up and more suitable back up. Looking at needing 12-13 signings for this guy.

I'd love this. Now is the time for change.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on May 23, 2019, 09:41:49 AM
Given all of the recent success of German managers in the UK, what do you think are the chances of us recruiting the first one to fail? ;D

I jest, if this has legs then I am all for it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Given all of the recent success of German managers in the UK, what do you think are the chances of us recruiting the first one to fail? ;D

I jest, if this has legs then I am all for it.

I can confirm he has legs !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kc56wba on May 23, 2019, 09:51:24 AM
What's the betting that we wont know who the manager is until a week before the season starts. :o
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: miggybaggy on May 23, 2019, 10:26:39 AM
What's the betting that we wont know who the manager is until a week before the season starts. :o

Ha Ha Yes! When it will be confirmed as Shan! ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2019, 10:39:07 AM
What's the betting that we wont know who the manager is until a week before the season starts. :o

I'll have a £10 on that.
I can't see us appointing one until the transfer window shuts  ???
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 23, 2019, 10:41:31 AM
What's the betting that we wont know who the manager is until a week before the season starts. :o

Not like you to be negative.

To be honest, if the rumours are true, I'm quite excited by a change in direction.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on May 23, 2019, 11:54:12 AM
The 4th man speculation is getting like the Kim Philby spy scandal in the fifties.  Have we ruled out Boiler Man?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2019, 12:20:15 PM
The 4th man speculation is getting like the Kim Philby spy scandal in the fifties.  Have we ruled out Boiler Man?

He would be "ideal"

get me coot
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2019, 12:29:39 PM
With regards to that Labbadia article on style of play. In our current squad, you'd have to say those that can adapt to this style would be; Gibbs and Hegazi who realistically could leave, potentially Field as the sitting midfielder but that's not 100%, Phillips as the RW and possibly Edwards as LW but we haven't really seen enough of him to judge.

J-Rod wouldn't suit the striker role. I don't think Johnstone is the keeper if we're playing out from the back. If we went for this guy then the squad would need a complete overhaul with the likes of Livermore, Burke, Brunt, Leko, Bartley all being back up.

So that would be at least 7 for the starting line up and more suitable back up. Looking at needing 12-13 signings for this guy.

I'd love this. Now is the time for change.

The way some people are tallking, its like his previous teams have been full of Man City or Barcelona type ball artists. Labbadia has had to adapt to the level he finds himself at.

I watched his Hamburger SV team a couple of times when he was in charge there, and only about half of them would have made it into our relegated Prem league team. The most well-known to a British audience was Lewis Holtby, the ex Spurs midfielder. They had a very decent Brazil U21 full back, a Serb international winger, a couple of others on the edge of the German national squad, but the rest were nothing special.
At Wolfsburg he has done a very good job in getting them to the Europa League, but with hardly any 'big name' players. 

If he was allowed to bring a couple of players he knows from the German league, adding them to the core of our squad, you'd hope he'd have enough to work with and build a competitive team. If he were to be appointed, and that should apply to any new manager, they should be given the opportunity to look at what we've got now, before selling them off.

 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on May 23, 2019, 12:33:05 PM
Forth man? The only one I'm convinced we've even spoken to is Cowley (via Matt Wilson). Everything else is either rumour, presumption, hearsay or creative journalism. Someone feel free to provide evidence of the contrary if I'm wrong.

I can understand Albion's need to be careful and I didn't expect them to rush to make an appointment but it is starting to drag on now to the point of being tedious.

I'm all for giving Albion the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I understand  this isn't an easy one but If someone isn't appointed by the end of next week at the latest I'd be EXTREMELY concerned that we can't appoint the man we want and are instead going to appoint someone who is pretty much the only option we have left.

The club have had since they sacked Darren Moore to look for a new head coach and OK the delay is somewhat understandable given the play off situation but they really need to be bringing someone in pretty soon now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 23, 2019, 12:38:13 PM
I'd be absolutely amazed if our candidate came from abroad..

I don't see Jenkins making the same Pepe Mel mistake.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 23, 2019, 12:46:10 PM
Forth man? The only one I'm convinced we've even spoken to is Cowley (via Matt Wilson). Everything else is either rumour, presumption, hearsay or creative journalism. Someone feel free to provide evidence of the contrary if I'm wrong.

I can understand Albion's need to be careful and I didn't expect them to rush to make an appointment but it is starting to drag on now to the point of being tedious.

I'm all for giving Albion the benefit of the doubt in this instance because I understand  this isn't an easy one but If someone isn't appointed by the end of next week at the latest I'd be EXTREMELY concerned that we can't appoint the man we want and are instead going to appoint someone who is pretty much the only option we have left.

The club have had since they sacked Darren Moore to look for a new head coach and OK the delay is somewhat understandable given the play off situation but they really need to be bringing someone in pretty soon now.

not sure how it is beginning to drag on? its been 9 days since we lost to villa in the play offs. i do agree to your comment though of by the end of next week someone should be appointed  as that will have been over 2 weeks then and more than enough time to make the correct appointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: telford baggie on May 23, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
I'd be absolutely amazed if our candidate came from abroad..

I don't see Jenkins making the same Pepe Mel mistake.
same mistake as pepe mel...but also same mistake as moore/shan....we wont get a manager in then
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2019, 01:53:06 PM
not sure how it is beginning to drag on? its been 9 days since we lost to villa in the play offs. i do agree to your comment though of by the end of next week someone should be appointed  as that will have been over 2 weeks then and more than enough time to make the correct appointment.

Because Darren Moore was sacked on March 9th?

That's seventy four days ago.

Ship without a rudder.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2019, 02:15:59 PM
Reports in the German media suggest Labbadia prepared to talk to his old club Hamburger SV to see what they have to say. They are in a similar crisis situation. He's apparently turned down 2 offers from China. He's due to return to Germany next weekend from his last tour with the Wolfsburg team in China, after which talks with Hamburger SV could take place. The report suggests he's happy to wait for the right challenge. The report quotes Sky Sports saying also talks with Albion planned.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 23, 2019, 02:20:36 PM
Johnson has signed a new contract at Bristol city. Another one to scratch off the list of possibles once all the shortlist have turned us down.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on May 23, 2019, 03:46:35 PM
Labbadia has never managed outside of Germany, so i would expect him to stay there if he gets an offer.
We get these names about to get fans interested then appoint Appleton.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2019, 03:51:52 PM
Labbadia has never managed outside of Germany, so i would expect him to stay there if he gets an offer.
We get these names about to get fans interested then appoint Appleton.
No, Labbadia has said he would prefer to manage outside Germany, (that's come from the German media), but obviously he's not going to rule out working there again.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 05:43:23 PM
James Shan has offers from three clubs after West Brom caretaker spell ends (Health Warning clickbait site)

We'd better get in quick if we want him

Source: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/05/23/report-james-shan-has-offers-from-three-clubs-after-west-brom-ca/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 23, 2019, 06:57:36 PM
James Shan has offers from three clubs after West Brom caretaker spell ends (Health Warning clickbait site)

We'd better get in quick if we want him

Source: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/05/23/report-james-shan-has-offers-from-three-clubs-after-west-brom-ca/
So now we’re running out of coaches.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 23, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

Just cannot see labbadia coming to us.

At the end of it all I think it will be Shan or Appleton because I seriously doubt anyone will come when our best players are about to be sold, there is uncertainty over the owner, from the outside in it looks a shambles, noone outside the fan base understands in the slightest why big Dave got sacked and a lot of people hate us for it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wba_1996 on May 23, 2019, 07:08:44 PM
Haha, this club is an utter joke. We're looking at 4 managers, each is totally different from the other and they all play polar opposite styles of football. This is all after we sacked we'll-score-more-than-you Moore, decided we wanted the pragmatic Wagner, interviewed the attack-minded Jokanovic and then gave the job to sit-deep-and-counter-attack Shan.

Imagine wanting to buy a new car, and narrowing it down to either a Vauxhall Corsa, a Hummer, a Lamborghini Aventador, or a Ford Model T. That's this football club when it comes to managers. Except we finish a test drive in the Lamborghini and go, "nah, I'll just walk for the rest of the year and then have a rethink".
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
Haha, this club is an utter joke. We're looking at 4 managers, each is totally different from the other and they all play polar opposite styles of football. This is all after we sacked we'll-score-more-than-you Moore, decided we wanted the pragmatic Wagner, interviewed the attack-minded Jokanovic and then gave the job to sit-deep-and-counter-attack Shan.

Imagine wanting to buy a new car, and narrowing it down to either a Vauxhall Corsa, a Hummer, a Lamborghini Aventador, or a Ford Model T. That's this football club when it comes to managers. Except we finish a test drive in the Lamborghini and go, "nah, I'll just walk for the rest of the year and then have a rethink".

Hang on, that’s a bit harsh, I’ve got a corsa and it does exactly what it says on the label. I deliberately didn’t writ tin  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 23, 2019, 07:16:22 PM
The worrying thing for me is the four man shortlist seems to contain about 10 managers! They’ve had since March to get this done, they should have had 2 lists ready for either premier league managers or championship. We really need to get the majority of the squad ready for preseason which means we need to get a move on.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbawill on May 23, 2019, 09:28:18 PM
I'd be delighted if Labbadia could be convinced to take the job. That's the level of manager that could allow us to "do a Wolves" - get promoted and enjoy our time in the big league. But as others have mentioned, Albion usually let you down in the end. Hope I'm proven wrong. Call me naive, but I genuinely don't think it will be Appleton though. Surely the club can't be that short sighted?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 09:41:21 PM
The worrying thing for me is the four man shortlist seems to contain about 10 managers! They’ve had since March to get this done, they should have had 2 lists ready for either premier league managers or championship. We really need to get the majority of the squad ready for preseason which means we need to get a move on.

We have to comply with diversity and equality requirements.  ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 23, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
We have to comply with diversity and equality requirements.  ;)
Tea lady, it is then !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: chipperclark on May 23, 2019, 11:30:23 PM
Tea lady, it is then !
;D The tea-lady has many talents. Most pundits on here have had her playing "up front",midfield and centre back not to mention the managers position.
The question is who will be making the tea? Jenkins??? LOL
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 24, 2019, 06:14:44 AM
;D The tea-lady has many talents. Most pundits on here have had her playing "up front",midfield and centre back not to mention the managers position.
The question is who will be making the tea? Jenkins??? LOL
Mr Brunt hopefully
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2019, 06:37:00 AM
OK we're being a little light hearted and making a lot of suppositions on this thread.
The fact is that no one outside the club knows who are on this list of 4.
Personally I'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
The club has done nothing in recent years to suggest it has a long term strategy in place.
We just seem to limp from one disaster to another.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 24, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
OK we're being a little light hearted and making a lot of suppositions on this thread.
The fact is that no one outside the club knows who are on this list of 4.
Personally I'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
The club has done nothing in recent years to suggest it has a long term strategy in place.
We just seem to limp from one disaster to another.

Is there a problem with that? Considering the lack of communication from the club, it's only natural that fans will adopt a laissez-faire and be self-deprecating approaches to the club as a method of expressing and relieving frustration
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 24, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
OK we're being a little light hearted and making a lot of suppositions on this thread.
The fact is that no one outside the club knows who are on this list of 4.
Personally I'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
The club has done nothing in recent years to suggest it has a long term strategy in place.
We just seem to limp from one disaster to another.

Wholeheartedly agree.

We've had since February to resolve the manager issue.

The club have only recent confirmed they now have their four man shortlist.

WTF have they been doing for the last three months?
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Post by: baggiemart on May 24, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
;D The tea-lady has many talents. Most pundits on here have had her playing "up front",midfield and centre back not to mention the managers position.
The question is who will be making the tea? Jenkins??? LOL

We can't move the tea lady from her current position.

She's the only one at the club doing their job correctly !!!
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Post by: SmethDan on May 24, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
Wholeheartedly agree.

We've had since February to resolve the manager issue.

The club have only recent confirmed they now have their four man shortlist.

WTF have they been doing for the last three months?

Having a tea dance while re arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

Flower arranging?

Picking fluff while navel gazing?

Monitoring/stalking the sh!t out of candidates?

Sweet naughty word all?

Delete as appropriate.......  ;D  ;) .
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Post by: Albionic on May 24, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
Approaching the situation with due diligence and rigour for the benefit of the future of the football club and its supporters  :D ;) ;D :-* :-*
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Post by: SmethDan on May 24, 2019, 10:15:16 AM
Approaching the situation with due diligence and rigour for the benefit of the future of the football club and its supporters  :D ;) ;D :-* :-*

Club speak for 'waiting for the transfer window to close' thus saving on wages so we can retain extra staff.

Welcome to the forum Mr Dowling  ;D .
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Wholeheartedly agree.

We've had since February to resolve the manager issue.

The club have only recent confirmed they now have their four man shortlist.

WTF have they been doing for the last three months?
at a guess they were rebuffed by their original targets as they couldn’t get guarantees and didn’t know which league we’d be in. So they’ve built the shortlist getting in contact with managers while giving Shan the role and now we are in the Championship are following up said shortlist to see if they are still interested and check any new options that are available.

But I’m just guessing.

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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 24, 2019, 11:44:17 AM
Im still sure it will be someone thats out of work, as we just don't do compensation. They will need to be cheap, and have low expectations, as this board have proved time and again they they don't posses any clear vision. It's all about cost cutting. They haven't learnt that going down this route will always end in disaster. We keep repeating the same mistakes, expecting a different outcome. The board need to remove their blinkers and actually take the best man available, regardless of any compensation or not. But I fear it will be yet another 'Yes' man that the board can control, thats also happy to work with peanuts.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
Im still sure it will be someone thats out of work, as we just don't do compensation. They will need to be cheap, and have low expectations, as this board have proved time and again they they don't posses any clear vision. It's all about cost cutting. They haven't learnt that going down this route will always end in disaster. We keep repeating the same mistakes, expecting a different outcome. The board need to remove their blinkers and actually take the best man available, regardless of any compensation or not. But I fear it will be yet another 'Yes' man that the board can control, thats also happy to work with peanuts.


The 2 best men linked and available will not cost a penny in compensation.
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Post by: NathWBA on May 24, 2019, 02:03:27 PM

The 2 best men linked and available will not cost a penny in compensation.
they will however cost the most in wages and therefore over the course of the contracts could end up costing the club more
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Post by: BoingFlyer on May 24, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
Back room staff gone already. If there is not someone lined up to start Monday morning this is even more of a terrible decision then it looks.

9th March this was posted, what an absolute disgrace.

One for stato's who is the longest serving caretaker manager in English football?
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Post by: gazberg on May 24, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
9th March this was posted, what an absolute disgrace.

One for stato's who is the longest serving caretaker manager in English football?

Jim Bentley at Morecambe FC, nearly 9 years.
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Post by: koren on May 24, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
Labbadia is in China today.
Maybe a talk with the chairman after that?

https://twitter.com/eintracht_eng/status/1131843903286579200 (https://twitter.com/eintracht_eng/status/1131843903286579200)
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 24, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
Labbadia is in China today.
Maybe a talk with the chairman after that?

https://twitter.com/eintracht_eng/status/1131843903286579200 (https://twitter.com/eintracht_eng/status/1131843903286579200)

I thought I read he was interested in working in China as well as England, so he could be killing two birds with one stone, metaphorically speaking od course.
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Post by: alex1 on May 24, 2019, 04:22:34 PM
I thought I read he was interested in working in China as well as England, so he could be killing two birds with one stone, metaphorically speaking od course.

Apparently, he turned down 2 offers from Chinese clubs. Interesting angle from one of the German quotes that they were linking the fact that we happen to have a Chinese owner. Probably just a coincidence though. He's due back in Germany this weekend and apparently open to talking to his old club Hamburger SV. But they are in a worse mess than we are. However his family are settled in Hamburg which may be a factor.
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Post by: divinewind on May 24, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
I think the Albion may go for the Cowleys if it's a buy one get one free offer.
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Post by: divinewind on May 24, 2019, 04:25:25 PM
Apparently, he turned down 2 offers from Chinese clubs. Interesting angle from one of the German quotes that they were linking the fact that we happen to have a Chinese owner. Probably just a coincidence though. He's due back in Germany this weekend and apparently open to talking to his old club Hamburger SV. But they are in a worse mess than we are. However his family are settled in Hamburg which may be a factor.

Call me cynical but i think he is holding out to get the best offer from Hamburger. He may talk to us to stoke up the ante, but i think that's as far as it will go.
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Post by: alex1 on May 24, 2019, 04:36:42 PM
Call me cynical but i think he is holding out to get the best offer from Hamburger. He may talk to us to stoke up the ante, but i think that's as far as it will go.
You may be right. But he did say some time back he preferred to work abroad. Hamburger SV is an extremly difficult club to manage. They were expected to get promoted back to the Bundesliga this season but just missed out and now they are onto their 6th manager in 3 seasons. (quite a few parallels with us there  :)) He also said he didn't like the hassle for his family when he managed in Hamburg before.   
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Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
If we are serious about Bruno all we have to do is make him the best offer.
It's money that focus's minds in this industry.
If we're not serious about offering him what he wants then move on to a cheaper option.
We know that's what will happen anyway so why pussy foot about.
With other clubs chasing managers we need to get a move on
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 24, 2019, 05:41:15 PM
If we are serious about Bruno all we have to do is make him the best offer.
It's money that focus's minds in this industry.
If we're not serious about offering him what he wants then move on to a cheaper option.
We know that's what will happen anyway so why pussy foot about.
With other clubs chasing managers we need to get a move on
What happened in the preceding 3 months?
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Post by: Blowee on May 25, 2019, 07:25:14 AM
Will there be a new Prime Minister before we have a new Head Coach?
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 25, 2019, 07:38:12 AM
Will there be a new Prime Minister before we have a new Head Coach?

There will probably be a new Pope by the time we have got this sorted...…..
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Post by: Blowee on May 25, 2019, 07:42:24 AM
There will probably be a new Pope by the time we have got this sorted...…..
There'll certainly be no white smoke over The Hawthorns for a while yet!
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Post by: MICKYMEL on May 25, 2019, 09:23:42 AM
With no football till July pre season I expect Albion to drag out as it will save a few weeks manager wages
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Post by: Blowee on May 25, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
With no football till July pre season I expect Albion to drag out as it will save a few weeks manager wages
Probably some truth in that - especially as I assume we are still paying Pulis and Big Dave.
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Post by: divinewind on May 25, 2019, 11:49:48 AM
The longer it goes on the shorter the time the new bloke, assuming he is actually new, will have to organise the team for the coming season.
We are always the last out of the traps,whether it's buying players or getting a new manager.
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Post by: Blowee on May 25, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
The longer it goes on the shorter the time the new bloke, assuming he is actually new, will have to organise the team for the coming season.
We are always the last out of the traps,whether it's buying players or getting a new manager.
I'd be surprised to see much spent on the squad but whoever comes in will need to be able to assess the players available. If there is scope to bring a few players in from the lower leagues or maybe a loan or two this takes us so long!
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2019, 12:32:18 PM
Dowling has given us the timeline, you're looking at, at least another 2 weeks before any decision is made.
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Post by: Blowee on May 25, 2019, 01:01:13 PM
Dowling has given us the timeline, you're looking at, at least another 2 weeks before any decision is made.
I'll believe it when it happens!
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Post by: baggie steve on May 25, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
If we're looking at giving a young gem a chance , another one destined for better things is Ryan Lowe , league 2 manager of the year with a very attack minded style.....
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 25, 2019, 06:25:07 PM
Mickey Mellon has just gained a second promotion with Tranmere. What are the odds on his phone ringing on Monday morning?  :-[


Former player and shoestring budget - he ticks all the boxes :(
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Post by: graka on May 25, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
10 weeks until the season starts. 
A small ageing squad to rebuild.
Players out of contract now so the better freebies will be snapped up.
A host of our higher paid players to move ,on.
Assess the players who want to stay and build a team to suit the new managers style of play.
Do we really expect our useless board to get all this done.
Fearing the worst this season
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Post by: Topman on May 25, 2019, 10:18:20 PM
I actually worry we will be at the wrong end of this league this year
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
Mickey Mellon has just gained a second promotion with Tranmere. What are the odds on his phone ringing on Monday morning?  :-[


Former player and shoestring budget - he ticks all the boxes :(


Just... Don't.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 25, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
I actually worry we will be at the wrong end of this league this year
many said that last year... infact some say that every year.
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Post by: Blowee on May 26, 2019, 08:08:38 AM
Soon to be into our 4th month of careful and considered deliberation in the quest to find our new leader. No stone unturned. I just hope having taken all this time we are not underwhelmed by their choice.  :-[
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Post by: BB74 on May 26, 2019, 08:40:44 AM
Have we sounded out Dave Jones this time as part of our due diligence?
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Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2019, 08:49:20 AM
Mickey Mellon has just gained a second promotion with Tranmere. What are the odds on his phone ringing on Monday morning?  :-[


Former player and shoestring budget - he ticks all the boxes :(

As well qualified as the brothers grim, a management career of over 500 games 48% win rate  and 5 promotions on his CV.  Not saying we should but if you think Dan Cowley is a reasonable appointment (I don't) then Mellon is worthy of consideration.
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Post by: royhan on May 26, 2019, 09:24:07 AM
As well qualified as the brothers grim, a management career of over 500 games 48% win rate  and 5 promotions on his CV.  Not saying we should but if you think Dan Cowley is a reasonable appointment (I don't) then Mellon is worthy of consideration.

I have no comments on your Mellon suggestion because I don't know a lot about his managerial career. However, I don't think we should fall into the trap again of appointing someone just because he has played for the Club. The new manager should be the best available that we can afford irrespective of what clubs he may or may not have played for.
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Post by: Nathan on May 26, 2019, 09:31:11 AM
As well qualified as the brothers grim, a management career of over 500 games 48% win rate  and 5 promotions on his CV.  Not saying we should but if you think Dan Cowley is a reasonable appointment (I don't) then Mellon is worthy of consideration.

I'm not understanding your constant criticism of the Cowley brothers? They have won two consecutive league titles, what more can they do?? They have obviously got a winning formula regardless of how it's achieved. This is the big thing for me. You can't compare it to Pulis, he set out not to lose games, not to win them. Winning football is entertaining football in my eyes. Getting the best out of what you've got at your disposal is top quality management.
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Post by: Adder on May 26, 2019, 09:46:29 AM
I'm not understanding your constant criticism of the Cowley brothers? They have won two consecutive league titles, what more can they do?? They have obviously got a winning formula regardless of how it's achieved. This is the big thing for me. You can't compare it to Pulis, he set out not to lose games, not to win them. Winning football is entertaining football in my eyes. Getting the best out of what you've got at your disposal is top quality management.
I guess you are correctly saying that there is more to management than tactics and style of play (though they are important obviously). There's the various tasks and people relationships that go into being a good manager of players, and being a figurehead that everyone at the club relates to or has respect for. For the record I prefer us to play progressive passing football rather than direct stuff.....but we don't really know how adaptable a manager like Cowley or similar can be given a different set of players.
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Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Gary Monk's coming in at second favourite today on PP and Sky Bet. I suspect somebody just put a bet on him but it's something to talk about isn't it?

For me, i would be ok with him. He has a 39% win rate which includes Premier League season with Swansea and a taking over at a struggling Blues where he seemed to get them doing  little better.

His style at Swansea was great to watch but i'm not sure if that was more inherited than his own doing.
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 10:50:43 AM
Cowley brothers compo cost is 1.5million Alan Nixon has reported so that may end our interest.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 26, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
I have a mate with his level 4 UEFA coaching badges who knows the Cowley brothers very well. Much as he’d love to see them get their chance at a higher level, he says they would be disastrous for West Brom as our fans would never accept their style of play which “certainly isn’t pretty”.  He also doubts that players in several larger Championship clubs like us would have enough respect for their lack of backgrounds in the game as players, and not knowing anything other than lower league management.   He doesn’t want his mates to fail, and is very confident that we are not the right fit at all for the Cowleys.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 11:55:39 AM
Soon to be into our 4th month of careful and considered deliberation in the quest to find our new leader. No stone unturned. I just hope having taken all this time we are not underwhelmed by their choice.  :-[
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad
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Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2019, 12:04:47 PM
Why I don't like Cowley is 100% down to the style of play. Coaches have a base style and you should never hire a coach in the vague hope that in different circumstances that the style will change. I would also suggest that the pragmatic style in general is capped in what it can achieve and that cap is promotion from the Championship and even there I would always back a passing team over those that don't.

 Those advocating Cowley seem to be doing so on the strength of a record of sucess with Lincoln as a non-league club followed by his promotion from league 2, which is fine I was making the comparison with Micky Mellon purely on the grounds that his record is at least as impressive over a longer period. On the limited evidence Mellon's Tranmere play a decent brand of football given the limitations of League 2 .

It is purely coincidence that Mellon played for the Albion (a couple of seasons back in the day) but given that there is no long term Albion style of play that is neither here nor there. I equally don't understand why some fans think that a playing career with the Albion bars them from the role.

I am not making the case for Mellon just pointing out the case for him is no worse than for Cowley.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad

Like you, I'll take Luke Dowling's word that he/they will have competed discussions with the four candidates by this coming Friday.
At the moment, I'm pretty relaxed about the final outcome
With the emergence of Labbadia as a potential candidate, I get the feeling the appointment could well be left field.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 26, 2019, 01:07:10 PM
Why I don't like Cowley is 100% down to the style of play. Coaches have a base style and you should never hire a coach in the vague hope that in different circumstances that the style will change. I would also suggest that the pragmatic style in general is capped in what it can achieve and that cap is promotion from the Championship and even there I would always back a passing team over those that don't.

 Those advocating Cowley seem to be doing so on the strength of a record of sucess with Lincoln as a non-league club followed by his promotion from league 2, which is fine I was making the comparison with Micky Mellon purely on the grounds that his record is at least as impressive over a longer period. On the limited evidence Mellon's Tranmere play a decent brand of football given the limitations of League 2 .

It is purely coincidence that Mellon played for the Albion (a couple of seasons back in the day) but given that there is no long term Albion style of play that is neither here nor there. I equally don't understand why some fans think that a playing career with the Albion bars them from the role.

I am not making the case for Mellon just pointing out the case for him is no worse than for Cowley.

Exactly. There are plenty of managers in the lower divisions with records of multiple and even back to back promotions. I've made similar points to those shared by overseas baggie and still maintain that Cowley would be a terrible and (in my opinion) baffling choice.

As to his style of play, there are plenty of teams in the bottom division who play passing football, perhaps more than play any kind of 'hoofball' style tactics. Cowley played an unattractive style of play despite having a decent budget for that level and I'd expect him to continue this at whatever level he manages at.
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Post by: CL3MO on May 26, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
The ever-reliable John Percy reporting that we will hold talks with Bruno Labbadia on Monday, with the other contenders set to be approached later in the week.

Can't see it happening myself and I'm not sure how I feel about it but at least it isn't somebody on the usual managerial merry-go-round.
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Post by: Blowee on May 26, 2019, 01:14:19 PM
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad
But surely, having had such a long time to deliberate you would have two short lists of candidates (one for Premier League and another for staying in The Chanpionship?). Granted, other names (such as Hughton) would be considered as they become available but I would hope the process started before one week ago.
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Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 01:15:23 PM
Would love it if we can get him but probably the longest shot we are interviewing. If he's willing to come for talks then obviously open to it. I imagine he will certain guarantees regarding spending.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 26, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
But surely, having had such a long time to deliberate you would have two short lists of candidates (one for Premier League and another for staying in The Chanpionship?). Granted, other names (such as Hughton) would be considered as they become available but I would hope the process started before one week ago.

The process should have been started the day they decided to sack Darren Moore. The club have become a laughing stock.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 01:20:06 PM
The ever-reliable John Percy reporting that we will hold talks with Bruno Labbadia on Monday, with the other contenders set to be approached later in the week.

Can't see it happening myself and I'm not sure how I feel about it but at least it isn't somebody on the usual managerial merry-go-round.

Careful!!!!!!!    Percy said "other contenders" NOT "the other contenders"

Sorry to be pedantic, but "the other contenders" suggests we haven't spoken to anyone yet, whereas Dowling said we'd be speaking to some in the week just past.
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 01:29:49 PM
The process should have been started the day they decided to sack Darren Moore. The club have become a laughing stock.

How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?
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Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 26, 2019, 02:29:25 PM
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?

Villa have no financial issues currently to my knowledge, be interesting to see what happens with Frank Lampard's Derby though.  I do wonder how much influence Moore or Shan really had to be honest, neither should have been considered for the job.  If it wasn't for Barnes and Gayle we would have been below half way up the league.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?
You would think they would ,but also be aware that other candidates will become available as the season wore on (and some would become less desirable)
I am absolutely happy and would have probably followed the same plan...
I think it's also worth noting that fans are getting touchy about the "lack of commas from the club" , well those seals down the road had doctor ding dong on twitter all the time and that was bloody embarrassing...
I think we may be about to get a really left field progressive manager and rebuild, sometimes one step back to go 3 forward is the best way ....the other lot down the other road would testify
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 26, 2019, 02:51:32 PM
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?

How do I now it didn't?

Because we are still talking about possible candidates with new names appearing on a regular basis. If the club had a plan when Moore was sacked then a new man would have been in place within a week or so or as soon as the season ended.

I couldn't give a stuff to be honest about Lampard or Smith, neither will be in charge of this club next season so are of no concern same as Aston Villa or Derby County themselves.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 26, 2019, 03:35:40 PM
Villa have no financial issues currently to my knowledge, be interesting to see what happens with Frank Lampard's Derby though.  I do wonder how much influence Moore or Shan really had to be honest, neither should have been considered for the job.  If it wasn't for Barnes and Gayle we would have been below half way up the league.

But we did have them. You could argue that point for a lot of teams.

If villa didn’t have grealish and Tammy. If derby didn’t have Wilson and Mount.

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Post by: baggie96 on May 26, 2019, 03:57:55 PM
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/750160/artikel_labbadia_ich_habe_es_geliebt_.html

Labbadia said no to Hamburg and seems to think he’ll be working abroad. I think it’s going to him. Would be exciting and would mean we would recruit 1/2 from outside the UK for once!
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 26, 2019, 04:36:11 PM
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/750160/artikel_labbadia_ich_habe_es_geliebt_.html

Labbadia said no to Hamburg and seems to think he’ll be working abroad. I think it’s going to him. Would be exciting and would mean we would recruit 1/2 from outside the UK for once!

I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me otherwise
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
I daren't hope. This seems too adventurous for us.

I don't know what he would do for us but a brand new way of thinking - yes please.
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Post by: baggie96 on May 26, 2019, 04:42:51 PM
I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me itherwise

This time tomorrow he’ll have had his talks and probably be ruled out of the running ;D
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 26, 2019, 04:59:48 PM
This time tomorrow he’ll have had his talks and probably be ruled out of the running ;D


I know you jest, but we both know that you will be right.

A different exciting approach would be wonderful, but you just know our aims/money/wages will be too low....
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 05:40:44 PM
I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me otherwise
In just 10 years
Anelka, Rosenberg,krykowiack,hodgson,Carson,foster....despite what happened after signing all of these have been a "name" during there career and many probably thought we wouldn't get any .
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Post by: timdon on May 26, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
In just 10 years
Anelka, Rosenberg,krykowiack,hodgson,Carson,foster....despite what happened after signing all of these have been a "name" during there career and many probably thought we wouldn't get any .
And, of those, only Hodgson and Foster turned out to be any good. Big name doesn't necessarily equate to big success, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
And, of those, only Hodgson and Foster turned out to be any good. Big name doesn't necessarily equate to big success, and vice versa.
I did say that?
The point was that the poster said he's had forty years of being let down....its not true IMO
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wba_1996 on May 26, 2019, 06:11:07 PM
Not a chance our clowns would actually appoint Labbadia. I'm just happy they finally seem to realise that football exists outside of this country. Expect another cheap, easy British appointment in about 6 weeks time. Jokanovic should have been appointed the week Moore left, the fact he was interviewed and we decided to stick with Shan sums up everything wrong with this club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 26, 2019, 06:15:34 PM
This time tomorrow he’ll have had his talks and probably be ruled out of the running ;D

This time tomorrow he'll have got tired of waiting outside the hawthorns gates and and called an uber back to Birmingham Airport, as our hiercachy would have had the Bank Holiday Monday off.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on May 26, 2019, 06:29:20 PM
Call me impatient but it's starting to drag on a bit now...hopefully we can get a manager sorted quickly for once as it allows for things to settle - the pre-season is massively important and there's no point waiting with a managerial appointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 07:30:07 PM
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad


5 down, 7 to go
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 26, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
I did say that?
The point was that the poster said he's had forty years of being let down....its not true IMO

Forty years might be an exaggeration as in every year of the 40, but you know what I mean in terms of over 40 years, we have lots of let downs...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbarenno on May 26, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/05/blogs/reliable-journalist-reveals-who-he-thinks-will-end-up-in-charge-of-west-brom/

You just know it’s going to happen and if it does the term mid table mediocrity couldn’t be truer , that’s at best aswell
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on May 26, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/05/blogs/reliable-journalist-reveals-who-he-thinks-will-end-up-in-charge-of-west-brom/

You just know it’s going to happen and if it does the term mid table mediocrity couldn’t be truer , that’s at best aswell

Yep don’t get the fixation with the bloke ,bottom six .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 08:29:25 PM
https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/05/blogs/reliable-journalist-reveals-who-he-thinks-will-end-up-in-charge-of-west-brom/

You just know it’s going to happen and if it does the term mid table mediocrity couldn’t be truer , that’s at best aswell

Didn't even need to click on the link to see who the "reliable journalist" was.

Have to say, if it's not Bolton Wanderers related the "reliable journalist" thinks it's not worth talking about.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 26, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
https://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/nach-abschied-vom-vfl-wolfsburg-england-klub-will-bruno-labbadia/

This is another report in the German media that Labbadia is high up on our list.
I wonder how much they know. However, these reports are bang up to date (today). They previously said he was going to talk to Hamburger SV, but Labbadia said its not the right time to go back there (to his old club), He says he wants a different kind of challenge and assumes it wil be abroad. 
I have a feeling he will come across well in interview, he's a positive sort of bloke. I hope I'm wrong, but at the same time wouldn't be surprised if money is a stumbling block.
 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 26, 2019, 08:54:51 PM
https://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/nach-abschied-vom-vfl-wolfsburg-england-klub-will-bruno-labbadia/

This is another report in the German media that Labbadia is high up on our list.
I wonder how much they know. However, these reports are bang up to date (today). They previously said he was going to talk to Hamburger SV, but Labbadia said its not the right time to go back there (to his old club), He says he wants a different kind of challenge and assumes it wil be abroad. 
I have a feeling he will come across well in interview, he's a positive sort of bloke. I hope I'm wrong, but at the same time wouldn't be surprised if money is a stumbling block.


Unless it's outrageous, I don't think it will be a stumbling block for something different.
It might be for the same old, same old.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 10:21:03 PM

5 down, 7 to go
😂😂😂
I really don't understand the almost crazed,aggressive negativity.
Wim rubbish, wim gorra rubbish board.....won't be long for the "head wobble" comments that are normally on Twitter start on here
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 10:31:45 PM
Forty years might be an exaggeration as in every year of the 40, but you know what I mean in terms of over 40 years, we have lots of let downs...
All clubs do, do you think Real Madrid are happy this year ?
Man Utd are in almost chaos, the "massive global entity" at b6 will get the bus out if they somehow fluke getting out of little league, Bolton are going to the wall etc etc etc
We average less than 26k at home, during my time supporting us we have had the next England manager, a World Cup winner, a bloke who scored a hatrick vs wolves , Taylor, Phillips, Kamara , Gera , Maresca , a Wembley win and some great results against Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea et al
I've also watched James sodding Quinn , seen us ducked at home by Wigan, hull and reading , refused to pay to watch a Tony pulis masterclass and saw brunt played out of position and 2 seasons too many
But the world did not implode, we are not perpetually rubbish and no....I don't particularly feel let down, I've said many times if people don't/didn't like Lai/Peace ...buy them out ...they make the decisions and also rely on those around them to make decisions....I would suggest that neither doweling, lai , peace or any other name that gets vilified wakes up and thinks "why don't we make some crazy decisions and see if we can wipe a load of the value of the business"
But for some reason it seems trendy to have a negative disposition and to think we are entitled to tell people how to run the business
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggies_24 on May 26, 2019, 10:58:06 PM
I don’t think the stumbling block with Labaddia (if we want to appoint him) will be wages, from what I understand German managers don’t earn anywhere near what a manager makes in the premier league, It wouldn’t surprise me if what we can offer him won’t be far off what he was on at Wolfsburg I think the big stumbling block will be down to player investment. Reportedly he fell out with the sporting director as he felt they weren’t been ambitious enough with player recruitment he’l be in exactly the same situation here with Lai not willing or unable to put his own money into the club.

I’m just hoping Dowling can sell him a vision that he’s coming into a club that is effectively going to be pressing the reset button on the playing side of things, he’s coming into the start of a new project where he can come in implement his style of play and he’l be backed with smart recruitment and a very good youth set up. You sell him on the fact that if we are sitting here in 2 years time with West Brom sitting 11th in the prem playing decent football then the opportunities open to him will be far greater than if he was to stay in Germany.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 11:12:25 PM
Agreed. I imagine all will go well until he seeks reassurances on player funding then it will be "thanks for coming, we will call you, dont call us"
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 26, 2019, 11:23:22 PM
Agreed. I imagine all will go well until he seeks reassurances on player funding then it will be "thanks for coming, we will call you, dont call us"
Why would we do that and engineer a complete waste of time?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 26, 2019, 11:37:34 PM
Latest e and s article states we have already interviewed Hughton and Jokanovic with Labbadia due for talks tomorrow. Another candidate to be interviewed later in the week. That’s the calibre of manager we should be going for so hopefully the likes of Cowley are just smokescreens.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 11:41:01 PM
Why would we do that and engineer a complete waste of time?

THere is no engineering, that would imply we are aware of his demands and already rejected them before meeting him. The board know he will ask for some kind of figure and chances are likely that once they hear that figure they will write him off. I really hope i am wrong.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 26, 2019, 11:45:39 PM
THere is no engineering, that would imply we are aware of his demands and already rejected them before meeting him. The board know he will ask for some kind of figure and chances are likely that once they hear that figure they will write him off. I really hope i am wrong.

I think wage parameters would have already been discussed with his agent or it is pointless him being interviewed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 11:46:20 PM
Latest e and s article states we have already interviewed Hughton and Jokanovic with Labbadia due for talks tomorrow. Another candidate to be interviewed later in the week. That’s the calibre of manager we should be going for so hopefully the likes of Cowley are just smokescreens.

WHat i don't understand about the SJ thing is why did they speak to him again? He was too costly before and now we have less money it makes even less sense.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 26, 2019, 11:47:10 PM
I think wage parameters would have already been discussed with his agent or it is pointless him being interviewed.

See SJ in March. ALso it's not his wages that will be the problem i imagine it will be the transfer side of things.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 27, 2019, 12:00:35 AM
Ranieri will be up for grabs after the weekend.  ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
I have trawled as best as I can through various German media reports concerning Labaddia's departure from Wolfsberg and it boiled down to his working relationship with Managing Director Jörg Schmadtke it would appear that the two men just did not like each other. They seemed to disagree on everything. Funding for players does not seem to have been an issue.

Digging a little deeper I think that Labaddia can be volatile. There was an incident in his time at Stuttgart where he seems to have flown into a Keeganesque rant taking pot shots at all and sundry including the Club's Chairman and Sporting Director. He has a reputation as a bit of a fire fighter his CV has some impressive names on it but generally he has got those jobs when the clubs have been at a low ebb. He has for the most part rallied them but very rarely stuck around for long afterwards. 

In general Bundesliga Coach's salaries are a good deal lower than their Premier League counterparts. Unless a club has a lock on Champions League status (Bayern and Dortmund) then a good salary is in the region of £1m to £2m.

I am not optimistic largely because I find it a strange career move for Coach whose stock is probably at it's highest leaving a Bundesliga side for a relative backwater. Yet in Germany maybe he has just run out of road he's fallen out with too many people in the game seen as a little difficult but will get the call when a big club find itself in a bit of a hole. Maybe he needs a different type of challenge but I would have thought he would have better opportnities.

If we don't land him maybe we can be disappointed but even to get to the formal talks stage is some sort of progress.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2019, 12:35:02 AM
He has already stated that he is tired of managing in Germany and wants to work in the PL that's why he has turned down lucrative offers from China. He believes that we may give him the chance to do after one year.

If he took half a blind bit of notice of us last year he will have noticed that we sleepwalked to 4th without direction and with 2 different novices in charge.

Thanks for your post. Its interesting and ii appreciate it when people take time and do their own research.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2019, 12:36:34 AM
Just on the topic of whether wages might be a stumbling block for Labbadia, I've provided a link for Bundesliga managers' wages. It looks slightly out of date as its got Labbadia's  predecessor at Wolfsburg, but it gives you the gist of what wages they are on. 

https://www.vermoegenmagazin.de/bundesliga-trainer-gehalt/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 27, 2019, 09:13:56 AM
Technical director Luke Dowling meeting Bruno Labbadia about West Brom job

Matt Wilson also reported that Dowling has already interviewed Hughton and Jokanovic, Personally, for me, it has to be Jokanovic!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/26/technical-director-luke-dowling-meeting-bruno-labbadia-about-west-brom-job/
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
Technical director Luke Dowling meeting Bruno Labbadia about West Brom job

Matt Wilson also reported that Dowling has already interviewed Hughton and Jokanovic, Personally, for me, it has to be Jokanovic!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/26/technical-director-luke-dowling-meeting-bruno-labbadia-about-west-brom-job/

If Jokanovic has interviewed and is keen then you can make that 2! Labbadia seems to be the wildcard option now and is definitely a positive alternative to Jokanovic for sure. I may ask Wilson on Twitter if that means SJ has been interviewed again.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
Technical director Luke Dowling meeting Bruno Labbadia about West Brom job

Matt Wilson also reported that Dowling has already interviewed Hughton and Jokanovic, Personally, for me, it has to be Jokanovic!

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/26/technical-director-luke-dowling-meeting-bruno-labbadia-about-west-brom-job/

Yes, we know and it might be if he moderates his wage demands. I don't see a £40k a week job being open anywhere certainly in the Championship and looking at the Premier League all the coaches seem reasonably settled. The one exception is Sarri  but Jokanovic to Chelsea? There might be lucrative jobs in China or Russia open to him but within the mainstream European Leagues I doubt it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on May 27, 2019, 10:10:48 AM
WHat i don't understand about the SJ thing is why did they speak to him again? He was too costly before and now we have less money it makes even less sense.
Not a shred of evidence to support your statement. How did you come to this conclusion?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 27, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Yes, we know and it might be if he moderates his wage demands. I don't see a £40k a week job being open anywhere certainly in the Championship and looking at the Premier League all the coaches seem reasonably settled. The one exception is Sarri  but Jokanovic to Chelsea? There might be lucrative jobs in China or Russia open to him but within the mainstream European Leagues I doubt it.

Is it really that obvious?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on May 27, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
Just had a warming thought, wouldn't it be great to announce our new Head Coach shortly after the conclusion of the Play Off final today?

Just think of all the positivity that would generate amongst our fans if Vile won and even more so if they lose.

The caveat to this though, in order of preference, it has to be either

1. Jokanovic
2. Labaddia
3. Hughton
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
I asked Matt Wilson and his reference to SJ were the talks in March, so you'd think if he was plan A it would be done now, so, sorry AlbionFan but i think he is possibly a fallback plan, and we all know what happens with them; they join other clubs and we end up with plan C, D, E or worse!

Fingers crossed Labbadia comes off.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2019, 10:53:54 AM
Not a shred of evidence to support your statement. How did you come to this conclusion?


Multiple journalists reported it. Interested to know why you think they didn't go for him then?  Only reason I can think of is that Shan was the preferred alternative and if so why don't they just give him the job now?

There is little concrete evidence on the majority of this forum. That's the point of it. Discussion and opinions. None of us are on the board at the Albion so all we can go on are comments from reputable media employees.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 27, 2019, 11:01:33 AM
Just had a warming thought, wouldn't it be great to announce our new Head Coach shortly after the conclusion of the Play Off final today?

Just think of all the positivity that would generate amongst our fans if Vile won and even more so if they lose.

The caveat to this though, in order of preference, it has to be either

1. Jokanovic
2. Labaddia
3. Hughton


And the winner is.... 4. Appleton.

Just kidding, I hope.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 11:17:20 AM
Not a shred of evidence to support your statement. How did you come to this conclusion?

The £40k a week wage demand were widely reported as the reason why Forest cooled their interest in him when they were looking to replace Karanka it has been assumed that when we spoke to him in March this was also a stumbling block.


I asked Matt Wilson and his reference to SJ were the talks in March, so you'd think if he was plan A it would be done now, so, sorry AlbionFan but i think he is possibly a fallback plan, and we all know what happens with them; they join other clubs and we end up with plan C, D, E or worse!

Fingers crossed Labbadia comes off.

Again I wouldn't read too much into this. After speaking to Labaddia and Hughton we are at the same stage as we were with  Jokanovic and maybe a fourth candidate (Cowley?) then the next set of discussions really get down to brass tacks. Candidate wants it we want the candidate appointment gets made.

My view on Jokanovic has always been that the salary would have been a major problem and unless that changes or the reports are inaccurate he was and remains a non-runner.

However the circumstances that the club found itself (or more acurately put themselves in) might have put him off. He had between 12 and 14 games through a very busy part of the season where he would have very little chance to do much work with the players and many of those players weren't going to be around next season in any event. He might have decided that was a no win situation and while not disintersted it was not the right time to get involved.

I expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on May 27, 2019, 11:24:41 AM

Multiple journalists reported it. Interested to know why you think they didn't go for him then?  Only reason I can think of is that Shan was the preferred alternative and if so why don't they just give him the job now?

There is little concrete evidence on the majority of this forum. That's the point of it. Discussion and opinions. None of us are on the board at the Albion so all we can go on are comments from reputable media employees.
It might be more accurate to say that one journalist reported it, and it was copied by quite a few others. Honestly don't even know if we spoke to him back in March. As you may have gathered I'm skeptical of what is written in the press. Most of what they write is just made up, though I suppose they will strike lucky one time, and then claim wonderful inside knowledge.
Wasn't having a go at you, but you seemed to be stating the bit I put in bold as a fact, when I think it was anything but.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 11:26:04 AM
The £40k a week wage demand were widely reported as the reason why Forest cooled their interest in him when they were looking to replace Karanka it has been assumed that when we spoke to him in March this was also a stumbling block.


Again I wouldn't read too much into this. After speaking to Labaddia and Hughton we are at the same stage as we were with  Jokanovic and maybe a fourth candidate (Cowley?) then the next set of discussions really get down to brass tacks. Candidate wants it we want the candidate appointment gets made.

My view on Jokanovic has always been that the salary would have been a major problem and unless that changes or the reports are inaccurate he was and remains a non-runner.

However the circumstances that the club found itself (or more acurately put themselves in) might have put him off. He had between 12 and 14 games through a very busy part of the season where he would have very little chance to do much work with the players and many of those players weren't going to be around next season in any event. He might have decided that was a no win situation and while not disintersted it was not the right time to get involved.

I expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week.

Who do you think it will be, and who do you want it to be?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
40k a week is approx £2m per year.

Genuine question, what do we think we are looking to spend - £1m ? £1.5m ?

I'd have thought we could afford £2m if it meant we got the man we wanted, as long as we don't get into contracts longer than 2 years and maybe with some sort of break clause after a year.  Obviously if we don't get promoted within two years the chances are the manager won't stay beyond that.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
It might be more accurate to say that one journalist reported it, and it was copied by quite a few others. Honestly don't even know if we spoke to him back in March. As you may have gathered I'm skeptical of what is written in the press. Most of what they write is just made up, though I suppose they will strike lucky one time, and then claim wonderful inside knowledge.
Wasn't having a go at you, but you seemed to be stating the bit I put in bold as a fact, when I think it was anything but.

Thats fair enough, i didnt take it as having a dig mate but more than 1 journalist has reported his wage demands, i possibly should have clarified i meant not just for us  but WBA, Boro and FOrest journos have all reported he wants £2m and thats why no ones gone for him after holding informal talks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on May 27, 2019, 12:01:34 PM
40k a week is approx £2m per year.

Genuine question, what do we think we are looking to spend - £1m ? £1.5m ?

I'd have thought we could afford £2m if it meant we got the man we wanted, as long as we don't get into contracts longer than 2 years and maybe with some sort of break clause after a year.  Obviously if we don't get promoted within two years the chances are the manager won't stay beyond that.

Managers never sign 2-year contacts, always 3 or 4. It’s all about the level of payoff.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2019, 12:11:59 PM
Micky Melon, linked with our job, is now the bookies favourite to take charge at Swansea.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
Managers never sign 2-year contacts, always 3 or 4. It’s all about the level of payoff.
Not sure it's as set in stone as that. Farke's initial contract at Norwich was two years. Granted it probably depends on who you are trying to get.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 27, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
All clubs do, do you think Real Madrid are happy this year ?
Man Utd are in almost chaos, the "massive global entity" at b6 will get the bus out if they somehow fluke getting out of little league, Bolton are going to the wall etc etc etc
We average less than 26k at home, during my time supporting us we have had the next England manager, a World Cup winner, a bloke who scored a hatrick vs wolves , Taylor, Phillips, Kamara , Gera , Maresca , a Wembley win and some great results against Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea et al
I've also watched James sodding Quinn , seen us ducked at home by Wigan, hull and reading , refused to pay to watch a Tony pulis masterclass and saw brunt played out of position and 2 seasons too many
But the world did not implode, we are not perpetually rubbish and no....I don't particularly feel let down, I've said many times if people don't/didn't like Lai/Peace ...buy them out ...they make the decisions and also rely on those around them to make decisions....I would suggest that neither doweling, lai , peace or any other name that gets vilified wakes up and thinks "why don't we make some crazy decisions and see if we can wipe a load of the value of the business"
But for some reason it seems trendy to have a negative disposition and to think we are entitled to tell people how to run the business

Fair comment. Not sure my posts have criticized anyone particularly but I am frustrated with our lack of action signing managers and the speed we take.

It is easier to be negative. Most football fans are pessimistic are they not?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 27, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
Managers never sign 2-year contacts, always 3 or 4. It’s all about the level of payoff.

Other than Pulis and possibly Hodgson how many of our recent managers have had contracts for a period of time? Sure most have been rolling 12 month deals.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
Who do you think it will be, and who do you want it to be?

My perspective is almost entirely style based. There are two aspects as a fan I will generally want the most progressive coach available hell I miss Ossie give me batshit crazy football.  :D

However there is the fit between squad and the coaches base style if there is a mismatch it is going end badly, while I might want to be entertained I don't want the club to fail.

I absolutely don't believe that any coach has a magic wand and will fix everything that is wrong with the squad overnight and whoever we appoint needs to be given time to start to turn things round.

As such I can't see any real difference between Jokanovic and Labaddia both progressive very similar in their approach to the game. I would be happy with either to be honest.

 My one proviso would be how hard the club intends to press the reset button I cannot see the current squad adopt a high press if the bulk of it is retained then we have a problem. From this perspective Hughton might make more sense. As such if I was betting on the outcome I suspect the club will opt for Hughton

As an aside Labaddia if he arrives will be shocked at the technical quality of our players given the money some of them are earning.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 27, 2019, 03:09:58 PM
......As an aside Labaddia if he arrives will be shocked at the technical quality of our players given the money some of them are earning.

Don't mean to pick flies but a potential point of order. I reckon he'd initially be shocked about how much some of them are being paid. He'd then probably be quite disgusted to discover how little 'several' players have actually earned over the course of their paid contracts.
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Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2019, 03:42:13 PM
Don't mean to pick flies but a potential point of order. I reckon he'd initially be shocked about how much some of them are being paid. He'd then probably be quite disgusted to discover how little 'several' players have actually earned over the course of their paid contracts.

The worst example Myhill has gone nearly a decade at the club and the only thing of note he did was steal a taxi and hell we didn't even get to keep that!! The point is to get a progressive game we really do need a passing midfield.
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Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 03:48:27 PM
The worst example Myhill has gone nearly a decade at the club and the only thing of note he did was steal a taxi and hell we didn't even get to keep that!! The point is to get a progressive game we really do need a passing midfield.

Aka an entirely new midfield
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Post by: smethwickw on May 27, 2019, 04:10:01 PM
Aka an entirely new midfield

Sadly I still see a Brunt / Livermore pairing in the main next season.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2019, 04:12:14 PM
Aka an entirely new midfield


Brunt, Field and Phillips can all pass the ball. No dynamism though. Any sort of progressive manager will see the end of Livermore.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2019, 04:15:37 PM

Brunt, Field and Phillips can all pass the ball. No dynamism though. Any sort of progressive manager will see the end of Livermore.

Agreed, however I would only like to see Brunt on the left of a three man midfield. Field possibly could start in a new set up. Phillips I never count him because he misses so much of a season.

I do hope Livermore moves on.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 27, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
Championship looks poor next year, get Labbadia in and go for the title.
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Post by: Albertbaggie on May 27, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
Championship looks poor next year, get Labbadia in and go for the title.
Really hope we make a statement of intent this week. Labbadia would certainly be that. I won't hold my breath though
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Post by: Adder on May 27, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
Too early to judge next season's Championship yet - signings and loans to be made (where would ourselves, Derby and Villa have finished without loans this year ?).

Appoint the manager and get on with the recruitment plan and action.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 27, 2019, 07:48:14 PM
The teams coming down from the Premier League are all fairly poor.

We have to make a serious fist of going up next season after we effectively wrote this season off with the two 'managerial' appointments.

It is time to show some ambition you utter bunch of cretins
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Post by: MICKYMEL on May 27, 2019, 08:27:23 PM
Wonder how Bruno labbadia got on today? Price on him drifted from 4/1 to 7/1 now .....
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Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2019, 08:39:11 PM
Dear Board
               Lets appoint a decent manager this week and put down a marker for next season

Regards

Long suffering Albion fans.
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 27, 2019, 09:14:12 PM
After today we need to sort this out properly otherwise we are going to be left...far behind. Sort it out Albion
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 27, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Could candidate Number 4 be Claudio Ranieri? Left Roma today.
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Post by: KN22 on May 27, 2019, 10:56:44 PM
Many are saying that £2m per year is the major stumbling block to appointing a high profile progressive manager such as the foreign guys much talked about on this forum. I am not saying that isn’t the case but let’s look at it another way: our wage bill was apparently £38m last year. I believe that the first team coach is the most important person at the club. If so is it not worth spending 2.1% of the budget to get the best man?
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Post by: Aztech on May 27, 2019, 10:59:30 PM
Many are saying that £2m per year is the major stumbling block to appointing a high profile progressive manager such as the foreign guys much talked about on this forum. I am not saying that isn’t the case but let’s look at it another way: our wage bill was apparently £38m last year. I believe that the first team coach is the most important person at the club. If so is it not worth spending 2.1% of the budget to get the best man?

2.1% ?
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Post by: NathWBA on May 27, 2019, 11:06:21 PM
Many are saying that £2m per year is the major stumbling block to appointing a high profile progressive manager such as the foreign guys much talked about on this forum. I am not saying that isn’t the case but let’s look at it another way: our wage bill was apparently £38m last year. I believe that the first team coach is the most important person at the club. If so is it not worth spending 2.1% of the budget to get the best man?
2mil of 38mil is over 5%, and that wage bill needs to be reduced this season hence Gayle returning being a non starter.
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Post by: KN22 on May 27, 2019, 11:09:18 PM
2mil of 38mil is over 5%, and that wage bill needs to be reduced this season hence Gayle returning being a non starter.

Sorry for the bad maths ...it’s late. I stand by the point that I made though. HRK on a rumoured 1.5m yet resistance to paying a top manager 2m? That was my point.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2019, 11:23:46 PM
Sorry for the bad maths ...it’s late. I stand by the point that I made though. HRK on a rumoured 1.5m yet resistance to paying a top manager 2m? That was my point.


Totally agree, I'd be happy for the club to spend up to 10% of the wage budget on the manager. Leaves the players in no doubt as to who is in charge.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 27, 2019, 11:36:35 PM
Agreed, but not on a 4-year contract which would mean a massive payout if sacked.  No problem though with say a £3m bonus for promotion.
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Post by: NathWBA on May 27, 2019, 11:40:44 PM
Sorry for the bad maths ...it’s late. I stand by the point that I made though. HRK on a rumoured 1.5m yet resistance to paying a top manager 2m? That was my point.
HRK being on big money is due to the previous regime, he is one of the reasons we can’t offer big money to a head coach because we are stuck with his wages, no other club will take him.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 27, 2019, 11:50:41 PM
It ridiculous how this malais around a new manager continues, why take 2 weeks when they could have been done quicker as the like SJ and CH are out of work.

Clubs have released their retained lists and we are missing out on potential signings, same farce every year.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 28, 2019, 03:33:51 AM
I'm really eager to hear how the talks went yesterday. For me we need a big appointment to get the fans excited and to peak people's interest with a good knowledge of the foreign leagues so when it comes to replacing players we can do it well enough without breaking the bank on players in this country and its over inflated market. Its the hope that kills you.
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Post by: SmethDan on May 28, 2019, 03:52:40 AM
It ridiculous how this malais around a new manager continues, why take 2 weeks when they could have been done quicker as the like SJ and CH are out of work.

Clubs have released their retained lists and we are missing out on potential signings, same farce every year.

I believe it's actually eighty days and counting overall as I type  :-X .
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 28, 2019, 11:31:54 AM
According to Dowling, it was end of this week they should be close to the two. The league will be competitive next year. Its a shame we won’t have Gayle because we would have stood a real chance. Think Fulham are certain to be about there. Others will be take a pick. We need to move quickly and allow new manager to breathe.
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Post by: NJS on May 28, 2019, 12:59:56 PM
I've seen a few posts to the effect that, Fulham excepted, there's not much competition this coming season but did anybody expect that Sheffield Utd would get automatic promotion?  It was down to a good manager and I thought Chris Wilder demonstrated his tactical nous when talking before the playoff yesterday.
We need a decent manager more than we need a prima donna player and that's where our spend should be.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 28, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
Carvahal is just been made manager of Rio ave. that’s another off the list.
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Post by: Beefy on May 28, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
I'm afraid Bruno is off to Hamburg just something I'm picking up off twitter in German, saying he rejected English Division 2 and other jobs in favour of Hamburg ??

The English second division has probably canceled and in the evening paper HSV is canceled and in t..
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Post by: BalisPen on May 28, 2019, 10:37:38 PM
Championship looks poor next year, get Labbadia in and go for the title.

The championship is never poor and always has been and always will be a hard slog.

With the likes of O'Neil, Biesla and warnock there is no easy matches and the parachute payments the relegated clubs have there is nothing easy there.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 28, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
I'm afraid Bruno is off to Hamburg just something I'm picking up off twitter in German, saying he rejected English Division 2 and other jobs in favour of Hamburg ??

The English second division has probably canceled and in the evening paper HSV is canceled and in t..
Can someone pop round and see if this fella is ok. Hopefully he’s only fainted.  :D
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 28, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
I'm afraid Bruno is off to Hamburg just something I'm picking up off twitter in German, saying he rejected English Division 2 and other jobs in favour of Hamburg ??

The English second division has probably canceled and in the evening paper HSV is canceled and in t..

have you got a link?
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Post by: Aztech on May 28, 2019, 10:54:10 PM
I'm afraid Bruno is off to Hamburg just something I'm picking up off twitter in German, saying he rejected English Division 2 and other jobs in favour of Hamburg ??

The English second division has probably canceled and in the evening paper HSV is canceled and in t..

Strange as I thought Mirko Slomka was about to take over at Hamburg
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Post by: Aztech on May 28, 2019, 10:58:14 PM
Strange as I thought Mirko Slomka was about to take over at Hamburg

Although it may be Hannover he’s going to, can’t remember which one.
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Post by: tylerm on May 28, 2019, 11:01:44 PM
This farce is taking ages as per normal.
Is it just me thinking that we pretend to be aiming high-to give the impression we are ambitious so that we end up with all the normal excuses why it didn’t happen
Welcome to the managers chair Michael Appleton - who apparently a lot of the directors wanted last season.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 28, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
German media suggest that Labbadia is not willing to drop into the 2nd tier of GERMAN football (where Hamburg play).


Very much still in the frame for us.
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Post by: alex1 on May 29, 2019, 12:20:04 AM
Although it may be Hannover he’s going to, can’t remember which one.
I'm actually in Hamburg now. More than one paper here say he's turned down the local club, even though his family are settled in the area. They are talking other names in connection with the Hamburger SV job.
Mirko Slomka is going to Hannover, been on SkySports Deutschland.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2019, 06:34:47 AM
Any white smoke yet?
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Post by: SmethDan on May 29, 2019, 07:42:45 AM
Any white smoke yet?

Yes, but latest reports now indicate it was one of the security staff with a vape.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 29, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
We are led to believe he was interviewed on Monday, nothing has come out in the media on if that was positive/negative etc.

As many posters have stated Dowling quoted by end of this week.

It still absolutely baffles me that after 3 months, the powers that be still don't really know who they want.

I will still put my head on the line and say that Appleton will be the next manager.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 29, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
We are led to believe he was interviewed on Monday, nothing has come out in the media on if that was positive/negative etc.

As many posters have stated Dowling quoted by end of this week.

It still absolutely baffles me that after 3 months, the powers that be still don't really know who they want.

I will still put my head on the line and say that Appleton will be the next manager.

Or...

They had an idea who they wanted, but it depended on which division we were in next season.

And...

We haven’t yet landed our first choice and may not be able to do so.

And...

The club doesn’t go to the media until it has something to announce.

All of the above are possible of course, but I suspect you are right! 

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Post by: Mister AT on May 29, 2019, 09:39:55 AM
Or...

They had an idea who they wanted, but it depended on which division we were in next season.

And...

We haven’t yet landed our first choice and may not be able to do so.

And...

The club doesn’t go to the media until it has something to announce.

All of the above are possible of course, but I suspect you are right!

I believe the club spoke to Jokanovic whilst DM was here, got the impression they could tempt him into the job.

Acted quickly on getting rid of DM, then spoke to Jokanovic who changed the goalposts in terms of demands etc and priced himself out of the job. This then left the club scrambling for a new boss, struggled to really get excited by anyone and therefore gave it Shan until end of the season.

Since then, I honestly don't think the club really know what direction they want to go in. Hughton being sacked gave them another option but he's understood to be waiting for a premier league job (he will be waiting a while in my opinion).

Now its a case of making the job look appealing, it doesn't take a genius to work out we will be looking to shift some of the higher earners as its not affordable to keep them all here, then with the whole not being able to afford Gayle on top of possible a big rebuild on a limited budget, makes the job less attractive for an 'ambitious' manager.

There are plenty of good managers out there, and plenty of managers that with a bit of ambition we could probably get here, the likes of Van Bronckhorst, Labaddia could all see us as an attractive job if you could show them we are determined to get back to the premier league and offer them enough of a budget to make it happen by bringing in players who buy into their way of playing.

Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case, and for as long as Jenkins and such are at the club, I fully expect us to go with a solid but cheap appointment, which is why I cant see past Appleton being given the job after the club announce they did extensive interviews with numerous candidates, but the work Appleton did end of the season and the 'senior players' have really taken to him, that he has now been given the job.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
I consider this period of the clubs history, threatens to be a seismic event, one way or the other, as a consequence it cannot be rushed into. Additionally, we have, since the Jereme Peace era, been fastidious in carrying out "due diligence" and nothing has changed in that as it is the right way to conduct business for clubs like Albion.

When considering the enormity of the task faced by Dowling and the Board, the size of which we as fans do not have a clue about, is it any wonder that it is taking so long. The constraints facing Dowling and the Board in rebooting the Albion must be as frustrating for them as it is for us. The difference is, they have to get it right no ands, ifs or buts, it has to be right this time or oblivion is what we could be facing. Making decisions in haste normally results in repenting at leisure.

Fans, understandably, are impatient, we are an integral element of the football industry that has been conditioned as the Premier League has evolved to demand instant results, success and outcomes on and off the field of play, a large amount of which benefits those making the most money from the game and us.

None of us fans knows what has been going on behind the scenes, we can only speculate and the majority of times we are well wide of the mark.

Patience, however, should be our byword, albeit sometimes impossible for football fans to embrace
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
I believe the club spoke to Jokanovic whilst DM was here, got the impression they could tempt him into the job.

Acted quickly on getting rid of DM, then spoke to Jokanovic who changed the goalposts in terms of demands etc and priced himself out of the job. This then left the club scrambling for a new boss, struggled to really get excited by anyone and therefore gave it Shan until end of the season.

Since then, I honestly don't think the club really know what direction they want to go in. Hughton being sacked gave them another option but he's understood to be waiting for a premier league job (he will be waiting a while in my opinion).

Now its a case of making the job look appealing, it doesn't take a genius to work out we will be looking to shift some of the higher earners as its not affordable to keep them all here, then with the whole not being able to afford Gayle on top of possible a big rebuild on a limited budget, makes the job less attractive for an 'ambitious' manager.

There are plenty of good managers out there, and plenty of managers that with a bit of ambition we could probably get here, the likes of Van Bronckhorst, Labaddia could all see us as an attractive job if you could show them we are determined to get back to the premier league and offer them enough of a budget to make it happen by bringing in players who buy into their way of playing.

Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case, and for as long as Jenkins and such are at the club, I fully expect us to go with a solid but cheap appointment, which is why I cant see past Appleton being given the job after the club announce they did extensive interviews with numerous candidates, but the work Appleton did end of the season and the 'senior players' have really taken to him, that he has now been given the job.


Until last week, I thought Appleton was nailed on, (i still think he's in the frame), but with Labbadia now coming into the equation, & Steven Reid joining Clarke in the Scotland set-up, I think we're looking for a change in direction.

I suspect we may have had a conversation with David Wagner about our vacancy & that triggered some new ideas.
Also, we don't know what conversations the owners have had, as others have pointed out, Bundesliga is well respected in China.
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 29, 2019, 11:28:02 AM
Nothing the board have done in the last 3 or 4 years inspires me that they will make the right decision, regardless of cost. As ever it will come down to penny pinching, and then wondering why we don't achieve. It's time to get out of Poundland, and go look in some other shops. If we can pay bang average players 50k a week, why cant we spend good money on a good manager??
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Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2019, 12:33:47 PM
I consider this period of the clubs history, threatens to be a seismic event, one way or the other, as a consequence it cannot be rushed into. Additionally, we have, since the Jereme Peace era, been fastidious in carrying out "due diligence" and nothing has changed in that as it is the right way to conduct business for clubs like Albion.



and that fastidious carrying out of due diligence has enabled us to appoint the likes of Pulis, Pardew, Big Dave, and Shan.
Works a treat doesn't it?
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
and that fastidious carrying out of due diligence has enabled us to appoint the likes of Pulis, Pardew, Big Dave, and Shan.
Works a treat doesn't it?

You miss the point, it's not the system or the concept that is at fault, but those executing it
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Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
You miss the point, it's not the system or the concept that is at fault, but those executing it

Firstly you say we have been fastidious in carrying out due diligence, then you say the personnel are at fault for not carrying it out!
What exactly is the point?
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 29, 2019, 02:58:03 PM
Appleton apparently being interviewed by Swansea today,  which would rather suggest that he’s not nailed on for our vacancy.

Pearson it is then.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
Appleton apparently being interviewed by Swansea today,  which would rather suggest that he’s not nailed on for our vacancy.

Pearson it is then.

I'd settle for that!
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Post by: divinewind on May 29, 2019, 03:12:51 PM
Let's hope Appy get's the Swansea gig. All the best Appy. :)

Pearson i wouldn't mind, and he has said he would be interested in the job and still looks out for our results. But i don't think he and Jenkins would get on and we would be back to square one in less than 12 months. I don't think the club have even considered him anyway.

The German Labaddia has the right credentials and would seem the best prospect, but again i could see it being short term given his unrest he has had in his own country. I couldn't see him or his family settling here.

That leaves BOGOF Cowley. Young ambitious and probably the right price for the Albion. Some have commented on his football style...or lack of it, but that means he has been a winner with little investment, and it's not to say it wouldn't change with better players at his disposal.
Besides we are talking about the Bartley's, not the Beckenbauer's he has to coach.
I don't know who i want, i worry we are leaving it late again though.
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Post by: lewisant on May 29, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
The are freebies to be snapped up player-wise, get a manager! Hopefully we hear something this evening or tomorrow but Dowling did say 2-3 weeks and we are at the end of the 2 week stage now so i think we should all realistically expect it to drag out. Probably doesn't help that Boro and Swansea are interviewing managers also, could mean there are some crossovers and managers taking time to think also.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
Firstly you say we have been fastidious in carrying out due diligence, then you say the personnel are at fault for not carrying it out!
What exactly is the point?

IMO, since the days of Dan Ashworth, I would suggest we haven’t had a Sporting and Technical Director of Football who has had his ability, knowledge and skills.

He was very detail oriented, intuitive, competent, a perfectionist and had a conscious understanding of the causes and effects of running a successful football club, including dismissing and recruiting a Head Coach.

This detailed approach was second nature to him, unlike those that have followed him since. (The jury is still out on Luke Dowling).  So, while we have a prescriptive due  diligence approach and do so fastidiously, not everyone has the right level of intuitiveness and competence to undertake them efficiently, but more importantly, effectively. 

So, the point is unless the individuals charged with recruiting a Head Coach are capable of a fastidious approach to robust due diligence systems and procedures, you will, more likely than not, fail. And you don’t know, until after the event, the full extent of their level of fastidiousness, which appears to have been the case with us in recent years.
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Post by: alex1 on May 29, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
IMO, since the days of Dan Ashworth, I would suggest we haven’t had a Sporting and Technical Director of Football who has had his ability, knowledge and skills.

He was very detail oriented, intuitive, competent, a perfectionist and had a conscious understanding of the causes and effects of running a successful football club, including dismissing and recruiting a Head Coach.

This detailed approach was second nature to him, unlike those that have followed him since. (The jury is still out on Luke Dowling).  So, while we have a prescriptive due  diligence approach and do so fastidiously, not everyone has the right level of intuitiveness and competence to undertake them efficiently, but more importantly, effectively. 

So, the point is unless the individuals charged with recruiting a Head Coach are capable of a fastidious approach to robust due diligence systems and procedures, you will, more likely than not, fail. And you don’t know, until after the event, the full extent of their level of fastidiousness, which appears to have been the case with us in recent years.
Slightly worrying that Ashworth, presumably, didn't think Chris Hughton could be part of the long term future at Brighton.
Still, I'm not going to write off Hughton. We don't know what the other alternatives might be.  :-X
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Post by: lewisant on May 29, 2019, 05:10:01 PM
Slightly worrying that Ashworth, presumably, didn't think Chris Hughton could be part of the long term future at Brighton.
Still, I'm not going to write off Hughton. We don't know what the other alternatives might be.  :-X

Brighton's goals are very different to ours!
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 29, 2019, 05:33:05 PM
Brighton's goals are very different to ours!

Other team's goals seem to include wanting to appoint managers quickly for a start .
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
IMO, since the days of Dan Ashworth, I would suggest we haven’t had a Sporting and Technical Director of Football who has had his ability, knowledge and skills.

He was very detail oriented, intuitive, competent, a perfectionist and had a conscious understanding of the causes and effects of running a successful football club, including dismissing and recruiting a Head Coach.

This detailed approach was second nature to him, unlike those that have followed him since. (The jury is still out on Luke Dowling).  So, while we have a prescriptive due  diligence approach and do so fastidiously, not everyone has the right level of intuitiveness and competence to undertake them efficiently, but more importantly, effectively. 

So, the point is unless the individuals charged with recruiting a Head Coach are capable of a fastidious approach to robust due diligence systems and procedures, you will, more likely than not, fail. And you don’t know, until after the event, the full extent of their level of fastidiousness, which appears to have been the case with us in recent years.

The only Head Coach I remember Ashworth being involved  with was Roy Hodgson, not sure that required a lot of intuitiveness & competence.
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Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2019, 05:50:45 PM
I'm afraid Bruno is off to Hamburg just something I'm picking up off twitter in German, saying he rejected English Division 2 and other jobs in favour of Hamburg ??

The English second division has probably canceled and in the evening paper HSV is canceled and in t..

Whatever you were using to translate German tweets clearly needs updating - Hamburg just appointed Dieter Hecking. Labaddia has managed Hamburg twice in the last decade and been sacked twice.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2019, 05:56:18 PM
The only Head Coach I remember Ashworth being involved  with was Roy Hodgson, not sure that required a lot of intuitiveness & competence.

Wasn't he also involved in appointing and terminating Dimatteo and Clarke?
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Post by: baggiejohn on May 29, 2019, 06:18:19 PM
Wasn't he also involved in appointing and terminating Dimatteo and Clarke?

Di matteo possibly, Ashworth moved on to England before Clarke went.

Tend to think that Peace made all the hire & fire decisions at that level.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 29, 2019, 06:23:21 PM
Di matteo possibly, Ashworth moved on to England before Clarke went.

Tend to think that Peace made all the hire & fire decisions at that level.

Dan was the Director between 2007 and 2012 I believe, so was involved in at least hiring of all, maybe not firing Clarke and I do believe JP depended on him, heavily, when appointments were made. But also consider the wider aspects of his tenure.
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Post by: NJS on May 29, 2019, 06:41:14 PM
I believe the club spoke to Jokanovic whilst DM was here, got the impression they could tempt him into the job.

Acted quickly on getting rid of DM, then spoke to Jokanovic who changed the goalposts in terms of demands etc and priced himself out of the job. This then left the club scrambling for a new boss, struggled to really get excited by anyone and therefore gave it Shan until end of the season.

This makes sense and is probably a tactic used by quite a few mercenary overseas managers.  Club probably did the right thing by not submitting to blackmail.  Had it done that the demands from Jokanovic would only have increased beyond what we genuinely could afford.   
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Post by: Mister AT on May 29, 2019, 07:00:56 PM
Michael Appleton talking to #Swans about manager's job today. Obviously not on his own as a candidate. Club keen (obviously) to get the right man.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2019, 09:51:55 PM
Michael Appleton talking to #Swans about manager's job today. Obviously not on his own as a candidate. Club keen (obviously) to get the right man.

Hope he gets the job
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Post by: telford baggie on May 29, 2019, 10:03:06 PM
Michael Appleton talking to #Swans about manager's job today. Obviously not on his own as a candidate. Club keen (obviously) to get the right man.
after getting turned down for qpr job i really hope he gets the swansea job...puts an end to him been linked with us..not done anything to warrant our job
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 29, 2019, 10:26:45 PM
Would be none too happy if I was a Swansea fan, but puts the slight chance of him getting our job to bed.
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Post by: jonny on May 29, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
Second round talks for Labbadia

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/30/new-west-brom-boss-will-be-asked-to-trim-38m-wage-bill/
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Post by: Pie on May 29, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
Second round talks for Labbadia

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/30/new-west-brom-boss-will-be-asked-to-trim-38m-wage-bill/

If true then it means he must still be interested which is promising. Lets get this wrapped up Albion!
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Post by: Standaman on May 29, 2019, 11:22:12 PM
Quite a bit to glean between the lines.

1. Cowley looks like he is out of contention
2. Hughton wants time off (polite way of saying thanks but no thanks on his part maybe)
3. Other coaches who have come available since the end of the season under consideration. Allegri anyone??

But the key takeaway here is that it looks like Labbadia is the leading candidate.

I guess if I can't have Appleton, Labbadia is not a bad alternative.


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Post by: BB74 on May 29, 2019, 11:29:55 PM
Second round talks for Labbadia

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/30/new-west-brom-boss-will-be-asked-to-trim-38m-wage-bill/

So we’re two weeks away again. We were two weeks away ten days ago!
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 29, 2019, 11:43:58 PM
Quite a bit to glean between the lines.

1. Cowley looks like he is out of contention
2. Hughton wants time off (polite way of saying thanks but no thanks on his part maybe)
3. Other coaches who have come available since the end of the season under consideration. Allegri anyone??

But the key takeaway here is that it looks like Labbadia is the leading candidate.

I guess if I can't have Appleton, Labbadia is not a bad alternative.


A rare light hearted moment from your good self!!  ;D  Well played.
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Post by: caravanc58 on May 29, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
So we’re two weeks away again. We were two weeks away ten days ago!
what s the rush? he'll probably have 3 days left in the transfer window to build a team.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 29, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
So we’re two weeks away again. We were two weeks away ten days ago!


'In the next fortnight', isn't 'after another fortnight'.


If we can get Labbadia, it'll be worth the wait.
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Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2019, 12:35:18 AM

A rare light hearted moment from your good self!!  ;D  Well played.

What makes you think I was joking.
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Post by: divinewind on May 30, 2019, 12:53:40 AM
Best news of heard is Appleton is talking to Swansea and Hughton doesn't really want the job. Hughton is almost as old as me.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 02:35:57 AM
What makes you think I was joking.


Common sense?


Your entire 'good football above all else' ethos.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 30, 2019, 04:31:52 AM
Best news of heard is Appleton is talking to Swansea and Hughton doesn't really want the job. Hughton is almost as old as me.

Hodgson is arguably one of our better managers over the last 20 years and he is getting on a bit  :P
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Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2019, 06:42:05 AM

Common sense?


Your entire 'good football above all else' ethos.

No coach or player comes with a guarantee of sucess so I will always go with the best footballing option as I am pretty much committed to watching it anyway. So in my view that would place Appleton ahead of Cowley but given the aversion that some posters have towards Appleton I thought I would throw in a reference to him to draw comment. 

I'm just not a very good wind up merchant. 
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Post by: Mister AT on May 30, 2019, 08:42:03 AM
Must be quite promising if he's now had a second round of talks.

The only negative for us now if he doesn't take the job is the 'next in line' will know they were probably second choice for the job.

Hopefully we can get this one sorted and crack on with getting a new squad together.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 30, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Quite a bit to glean between the lines.

1. Cowley looks like he is out of contention
2. Hughton wants time off (polite way of saying thanks but no thanks on his part maybe)
3. Other coaches who have come available since the end of the season under consideration. Allegri anyone??

But the key takeaway here is that it looks like Labbadia is the leading candidate.

I guess if I can't have Appleton, Labbadia is not a bad alternative.

sorry if ive took that wrong, but why the hell would you want appleton ?!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: stever60 on May 30, 2019, 10:48:49 AM
How many on here had actually heard of BL before the link? Yet it seems he's thought of of the best candidate?
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Post by: Aztech on May 30, 2019, 10:53:30 AM
How many on here had actually heard of BL before the link? Yet it seems he's thought of of the best candidate?

I had not heard of him, however having read up on his history and given our current predicament I do believe he is the best candidate.

We need someone who has a knowledge of the European market, unfortunately we cannot compete for good quality young championship and league 1 players.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 30, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48459550

According to the BBC...
West Bromwich Albion expect to have a new head coach in place by the time their first-team squad returns for pre-season training at the end of June.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 30, 2019, 10:59:09 AM
How many on here had actually heard of BL before the link? Yet it seems he's thought of of the best candidate?

I think its more a case of him being a better option than the others we have been linked with (or at least the ones who are interested in the job).

He has more experience than the majority of other names, isn't part of the old british merry go round of managers and he will have a knowledge of a league where its likely you can pick up the odd decent player for next to nothing.

Granted no one guarantees success, but Wagner and Farche or just two of the names who have come over and done well in this country.

We have been crying out for something fresh for years now, something different to the old tried and tested british manager or novice.
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Post by: Mr Cynical on May 30, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48459550

According to the BBC...
West Bromwich Albion expect to have a new head coach in place by the time their first-team squad returns for pre-season training at the end of June.

If we don't have a new head coach, and a recruitment push, we won't have a squad to report in at the end of June!
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Post by: tommcneill on May 30, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
How many on here had actually heard of BL before the link? Yet it seems he's thought of of the best candidate?

Id heard of him....if youve followed eurpean leagues then you definitely will have heard of him
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Post by: stever60 on May 30, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Id heard of him....if youve followed eurpean leagues then you definitely will have heard of him
So you'd rate him?
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48459550

According to the BBC...
West Bromwich Albion expect to have a new head coach in place by the time their first-team squad returns for pre-season training at the end of June.


thats a joke, hes needs to be in place well before that
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Post by: skyclad99 on May 30, 2019, 11:12:29 AM
Again there is absolutely nothing in that article that we either did not know or could not guess. Who would have thought that we would have a new head coach in place for when the players return for training. A chimp could have predicted that.....

Another 'scoop' for Simon Stone.
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Post by: tuamigos on May 30, 2019, 11:22:25 AM

thats a joke, hes needs to be in place well before that

If he gets the job today he can't do much without the players here, who I understand are on holiday.
I would imagine he needs to assess the players, speak to them, outline his plan for the future then ask who's in and who's off.
Once he's done that he can see what he needs and who's available.
I would imagine that all other players are on holiday as well so he couldn't speak to proposed transfers.
I don't think there's any need to panic yet.
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Post by: Atomic on May 30, 2019, 11:29:52 AM
That article is just stating the obvious. Absolutely no point in publishing it. Of course the new man will be in charge by the time the players come back for training.
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Post by: divinewind on May 30, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
Hodgson is arguably one of our better managers over the last 20 years and he is getting on a bit  :P

The only things Hodgson and Hughton have in common is their surnames begin with H and they both walk on legs.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie96 on May 30, 2019, 12:20:22 PM
I’ve heard a rumour we’ve made our minds up on someone and hope to appoint over the weekend. No idea if true.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 30, 2019, 12:29:32 PM
I’ve heard a rumour we’ve made our minds up on someone and hope to appoint over the weekend. No idea if true.

Would we be right in assuming that would be Labaddia? Public knowledge would assume he's the only one to speak to the club twice...
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Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2019, 12:31:27 PM
How many on here had actually heard of BL before the link? Yet it seems he's thought of of the best candidate?
He is well known in Germany, but admittedly has limited experience in European competition or the German national team. (Ironically, he would have got more European experience, if he'd stayed in Wolfsburg). I hope he will get the chance with us as he will bring some new enthousiasm and new ideas to the the place. He will have loads of knowledge of available players in the German leagues at generally affordable prices. He come across very positive, and judging how the Wolfsburg players gave him the bumps after their last game, was well thought of by them.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2019, 12:46:51 PM
I think we need to get him in ASAP as there will be much for him to do even before the players return
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Post by: Atomic on May 30, 2019, 12:50:03 PM
I think we need to get him in ASAP as there will be much for him to do even before the players return


I'm guessing his contract probably runs out on June 30 as lots seem to. Just a guess, I don't know but it wouldn't be a surprise. If that is the case nothing would become official till then. Doesn't mean things won't be going on behind the scenes though.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
I hope this means hughton is having the rest which has been reported and will takeover officially at the end of June, and we save on the wages.

In the meantime he will add is consent to any potential signings.

But, knowing us we'll wait for him then he'll join boro and we will end up with mickey Mellon.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 12:54:07 PM
I hope this means hughton is having the rest which has been reported and will takeover officially at the end of June, and we save on the wages.

In the meantime he will add is consent to any potential signings.

But, knowing us we'll wait for him then he'll join boro and we will end up with mickey Mellon.


Everything points to Labbadia, why do you think it's Hughton?
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Post by: Pie on May 30, 2019, 01:13:14 PM
Anyone who watches the bundesliga know what style / formation Labbadia likes to play?
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Post by: MarkW on May 30, 2019, 01:21:04 PM
Anyone who watches the bundesliga know what style / formation Labbadia likes to play?

4-3-3 according to this

https://footballbh.net/2019/03/29/bruno-labbadia-wolfsburg-bundesliga-tactical-analysis/
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Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2019, 01:28:16 PM
Anyone who watches the bundesliga know what style / formation Labbadia likes to play?
I think his goals for, goals against balance, from which you can tell alot about a manager's playing style, is about average. Obviously alot depends on which players you've got at your disposal.   
I went to see his Hamburger SV team several times when he was last in charge there, and from what I remember, they were fairly tight, tense matches.
But his last game at Wolfsburg he won 8-1.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
I think his goals for, goals against balance, from which you can tell alot about a manager's playing style, is about average. Obviously alot depends on which players you've got at your disposal.   
I went to see his Hamburger SV team several times when he was last in charge there, and from what I remember, they were fairly tight, tense matches.


His 2nd spell at Hamburg was his least successful in management.
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Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2019, 02:29:03 PM

His 2nd spell at Hamburg was his least successful in management.
He came in and saved them from relegation in 2015, then finished 10th the next season. But he had a bad start to 2016-17 which cost him.
Having said that, Hamburg get through managers like there's no tomorrow. Now onto their 6th in 3 years!

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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2019, 02:58:05 PM
He came in and saved them from relegation in 2015, then finished 10th the next season. But he had a bad start to 2016-17 which cost him.
Having said that, Hamburg get through managers like there's no tomorrow.


i am sure we are not far behind that record
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 30, 2019, 03:09:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48457331

Just to put in the mix....
Luciano Spalletti sacked as Inter Milan manager
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Post by: kie the baggie on May 30, 2019, 03:15:54 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48457331

Just to put in the mix....
Luciano Spalletti sacked as Inter Milan manager
We cant even afford alphebeti spaghetti
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Post by: tommcneill on May 30, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
So you'd rate him?

I think he would come here and do a good job absolutely.

He has to be backed though

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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 30, 2019, 04:36:43 PM
We cant even afford alphebeti spaghetti

That made me chuckle.
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Post by: Arthur Pewty on May 30, 2019, 04:41:28 PM
Lets hope we don't replicate the Paul Williams fiasco and appoint Borat rather than Bruno?
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Post by: kanu on May 30, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
If he gets the job today he can't do much without the players here, who I understand are on holiday.
I would imagine he needs to assess the players, speak to them, outline his plan for the future then ask who's in and who's off.
Once he's done that he can see what he needs and who's available.
I would imagine that all other players are on holiday as well so he couldn't speak to proposed transfers.
I don't think there's any need to panic yet.

This isn’t really true. He could watch hours of last seasons games. He could talk to backroom staff about the squad. He could ring other managers who had our players on loan last season. He could agree his budget so he knows which ex prem players he can keep or not. He can give Dowling a list of Bundesliga players and other players in Europe that he’d like to sign so the club can see what they’d cost and want in wages and the club can start due diligence on the ones that fit that criteria. He could study the list of players that Dowling has compiled, of all players we can afford and would like so that he could watch videos of them and speak to managers who’ve worked with them. He could get to know the area and find accommodation and check out schools if applicable. Or yes we could wait till everyone arrives back and try and sort it all out in a hurry and then slate him for a poor start and say things like ‘it doesn’t look like he’s bothered preparing for this job’!
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Post by: jamesh_91 on May 30, 2019, 05:16:40 PM
This isn’t really true. He could watch hours of last seasons games. He could talk to backroom staff about the squad. He could ring other managers who had our players on loan last season. He could agree his budget so he knows which ex prem players he can keep or not. He can give Dowling a list of Bundesliga players and other players in Europe that he’d like to sign so the club can see what they’d cost and want in wages and the club can start due diligence on the ones that fit that criteria. He could study the list of players that Dowling has compiled, of all players we can afford and would like so that he could watch videos of them and speak to managers who’ve worked with them. He could get to know the area and find accommodation and check out schools if applicable. Or yes we could wait till everyone arrives back and try and sort it all out in a hurry and then slate him for a poor start and say things like ‘it doesn’t look like he’s bothered preparing for this job’!

Fantastic post and just shows how much work actually goes on behind the scenes and why it takes so long for things to move when such huge sums of money are involved.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
This isn’t really true. He could watch hours of last seasons games. He could talk to backroom staff about the squad. He could ring other managers who had our players on loan last season. He could agree his budget so he knows which ex prem players he can keep or not. He can give Dowling a list of Bundesliga players and other players in Europe that he’d like to sign so the club can see what they’d cost and want in wages and the club can start due diligence on the ones that fit that criteria. He could study the list of players that Dowling has compiled, of all players we can afford and would like so that he could watch videos of them and speak to managers who’ve worked with them. He could get to know the area and find accommodation and check out schools if applicable. Or yes we could wait till everyone arrives back and try and sort it all out in a hurry and then slate him for a poor start and say things like ‘it doesn’t look like he’s bothered preparing for this job’!


Great post. The sooner the better definitely applies in this case.
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Post by: Mr Cynical on May 30, 2019, 05:48:06 PM
This isn’t really true. He could watch hours of last seasons games. He could talk to backroom staff about the squad. He could ring other managers who had our players on loan last season. He could agree his budget so he knows which ex prem players he can keep or not. He can give Dowling a list of Bundesliga players and other players in Europe that he’d like to sign so the club can see what they’d cost and want in wages and the club can start due diligence on the ones that fit that criteria. He could study the list of players that Dowling has compiled, of all players we can afford and would like so that he could watch videos of them and speak to managers who’ve worked with them. He could get to know the area and find accommodation and check out schools if applicable. Or yes we could wait till everyone arrives back and try and sort it all out in a hurry and then slate him for a poor start and say things like ‘it doesn’t look like he’s bothered preparing for this job’!

There is so much to do.

The squad is so thin.  There are obvious positions that need to be filled no matter who else leaves.  So plenty for new guy to do.

At least the poor fella isn't going to be in the same position as Darren Moore - who didn't have a 'technical director' (ok there was that pointless, exciled Italian guy), assistant manager, at least 1 coach, head of sports science, legal guy for aquisitions, etc. 

This club has and is being run very, very poorly.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 30, 2019, 07:28:16 PM
That made me chuckle.
Go on twitter ...you could have had a laugh at the same joke hours earlier
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Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 07:40:02 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48457331

Just to put in the mix....
Luciano Spalletti sacked as Inter Milan manager

If it's silly season Gattuso has also left AC Milan,  and he could kick the f out the players if they lose.

But, to be honest it sounds like we won't even be able to afford to put the AC on this summer.
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Post by: paulosull on May 30, 2019, 07:55:40 PM
Mods should lock this topic until end of June as club have informed someone at the BBC that they hope to have coach in place by then  :o
The list was reportedly whittled down to four but has now ballooned up to millions apparently my dog rex got a call to be interviewed on June 8 th.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 08:53:22 PM

Everything points to Labbadia, why do you think it's Hughton?

It's not that I think it will be him, more that I want it to be him as like SJ he has 2 promotions under his belt.
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Post by: Sted1990 on May 30, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
All 3 teams that were promoted this season had managers with no championship promotions...let’s try something special ala Bruno
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Post by: ranvir wba90 on May 30, 2019, 09:16:29 PM
Hope we appoint Labbadia. If we dont, we should look at Mark Robins From Coventry. Has done a good job there, plays decent football.
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Post by: baggie steve on May 30, 2019, 10:55:45 PM
Hope we appoint Labbadia. If we dont, we should look at Mark Robins From Coventry. Has done a good job there, plays decent football.

Robins has done very well , with a next to nothing budget......
I'd put Grant McCann and Ryan Lowe above him though , with looking at the best prospects from younger managers
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Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 11:25:32 PM
Nobody other than me previously has mentioned Paul cook of wigan.

Lots of promotions the dingle's cv.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 11:28:18 PM
Mods should lock this topic until end of June as club have informed someone at the BBC that they hope to have coach in place by then  :o
The list was reportedly whittled down to four but has now ballooned up to millions apparently my dog rex got a call to be interviewed on June 8 th.

Sally off corrie new hoss has an interview next Tuesday.

But, when offered a mouldy apple I think he'll say nay.
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Post by: charlebaggie on May 30, 2019, 11:30:28 PM
Smoking Mirrors. Has anyone thought the new manager could still be under contract till the end of June ..
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 11:35:34 PM
Smoking Mirrors. Has anyone thought the new manager could still be under contract till the end of June ..


Smoking mirrors?? Anyway...


No not unless Labbadia is still under contract.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 31, 2019, 12:04:39 AM

Smoking mirrors?? Anyway...


No not unless Labbadia is still under contract.

By all accounts he is under contract with Wolsburg until June 30th
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Post by: charlebaggie on May 31, 2019, 12:44:35 AM
By all accounts he is under contract with Wolsburg until June 30th
    Thank you!  Watch this space.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 31, 2019, 05:16:56 AM
    Thank you!  Watch this space.

I think It will be him personally.
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Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2019, 06:40:45 AM
Shortlist in football does not seem to mean the same as it does in pretty much any other walk of life. In most companies I have worked for a short list is a group of candidates who have expressed an interest in the role and an initial discussion has taken place which confirms that interest and that the candidate is potentially suitable for the job. The shortlist is then put through a selection process with the intention of hiring the most suitable candidate.

Judging by reports if the shortlist consisted of Jokanovic, Cowley Hughton and Labbadia,

Initial discussions

Jokanovic "Yes I like your job very much but I won't do it for less than £2m a year" Strike 1

Cowley "Yeah and you are a Technical Director Nah mate me my brother see we're old school don't like that idea one little bit" Strike 2

Hughton "Oh really thanks for the call Albion you say blue and white stripes. No it's too soon I think I need more time off" breaks down sobbing Strike 3

 Labbadia "Okay I'm looking for a new challenge..."

You see that's not really a shortlist it is 3 thanks but no thanks and a candidadte who might be interested.
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Post by: Aztech on May 31, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
By all accounts he is under contract with Wolsburg until June 30th

Indeed.
   
Club - Vfl Wolfsburg
Appointed - 17/18 (Feb 20, 2018)
In charge until - 18/19 (Jun 30, 2019)    
points per match - 1.52

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Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
Indeed.
   
Club - Vfl Wolfsburg
Appointed - 17/18 (Feb 20, 2018)
In charge until - 18/19 (Jun 30, 2019)    
points per match - 1.52

So why not just pay Wolfburg the last month on his contract and get him in now.
Or is that too easy?
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Post by: Albionic on May 31, 2019, 09:16:36 AM
One cautionary note about a foreign manager,
He would arrive at B71 with an extensive re-build job on his hands,

He will have little / no knowledge of the capabilities of young british or lower league british players and this is now where we are doing the majority of our shopping it seems.

He will know very well his former league and maybe other european leagues, BUT, he will have to identify available players, convince them to show an interest in B71, contracts have to be negotiated, they have to move country, adapt to the Championship "style" (as does the manager) and hit the ground running in september.

It seems to me that this process can take 2 seasons to bear fruit (viz Norwich / Hudds) and we have a big financial weight hanging over our heads and a chairman who seems to pull the trigger and think later.

It will be surprising if this works well given our scenario / boards expectations.

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Post by: phbaggies on May 31, 2019, 09:18:56 AM
One cautionary note about a foreign manager,
He would arrive at B71 with an extensive re-build job on his hands,

He will have little / no knowledge of the capabilities of young british or lower league british players and this is now where we are doing the majority of our shopping it seems.

He will know very well his former league and maybe other european leagues, BUT, he will have to identify available players, convince them to show an interest in B71, contracts have to be negotiated, they have to move country, adapt to the Championship "style" (as does the manager) and hit the ground running in september.

It seems to me that this process can take 2 seasons to bear fruit (viz Norwich / Hudds) and we have a big financial weight hanging over our heads and a chairman who seems to pull the trigger and think later.

It will be surprising if this works well given our scenario / boards expectations.
I hear what you are saying BUT he will/ would be coming here as an head coach only, massive difference to manager. All he will need to do is identify area's that need improving, thats then over to others to do the leg work for him.
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Post by: Blowee on May 31, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
One cautionary note about a foreign manager,
He would arrive at B71 with an extensive re-build job on his hands,

He will have little / no knowledge of the capabilities of young british or lower league british players and this is now where we are doing the majority of our shopping it seems.

He will know very well his former league and maybe other european leagues, BUT, he will have to identify available players, convince them to show an interest in B71, contracts have to be negotiated, they have to move country, adapt to the Championship "style" (as does the manager) and hit the ground running in september.

It seems to me that this process can take 2 seasons to bear fruit (viz Norwich / Hudds) and we have a big financial weight hanging over our heads and a chairman who seems to pull the trigger and think later.

It will be surprising if this works well given our scenario / boards expectations.


I agree - keeping us in the middle of the Championship would be a good achievement for next season but will we accept that?
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 31, 2019, 09:27:16 AM


I agree - keeping us in the middle of the Championship would be a good achievement for next season but will we accept that?

IMO, no i would not accept that. it is only our second season in the championship, we will still have one of the top 8 wage budgets in the division and if we keep some players and make the right additions i still fully expect us to compete.

i would expect a top 8 finish and us to be challenging for the play offs.
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Post by: Blowee on May 31, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
IMO, no i would not accept that. it is only our second season in the championship, we will still have one of the top 8 wage budgets in the division and if we keep some players and make the right additions i still fully expect us to compete.

i would expect a top 8 finish and us to be challenging for the play offs.
But, if you look at the players that are likely to stay (how will be on high wages) they aren't likely to put us in a playoff position. The most likely to still be here - Brunt, HRK possibly Livermore plus some of the younger players coming through and cheaper signings from the lower leagues aren't going to be as good as this seasons squad. Added we know that we can't afford the quality of loan signings such as Gayle. How can we expect to be as good next season?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 09:56:59 AM
Having a proper manager will be worth 10pts+ but first of all we need to see who gets appointed.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2019, 09:57:20 AM
But, if you look at the players that are likely to stay (how will be on high wages) they aren't likely to put us in a playoff position. The most likely to still be here - Brunt, HRK possibly Livermore plus some of the younger players coming through and cheaper signings from the lower leagues aren't going to be as good as this seasons squad. Added we know that we can't afford the quality of loan signings such as Gayle. How can we expect to be as good next season?

I've seen nothing to suggest we can't afford loan signings like Gayle, we just refuse to pay Premier league wages when we are in the championship.
Also why would the signings have to be from lower leagues?
Should we get Labbadia in as new manager he and his staff will have a reasonable idea of players that they could attract from the Bundesliga if not other European leagues.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 31, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
But, if you look at the players that are likely to stay (how will be on high wages) they aren't likely to put us in a playoff position. The most likely to still be here - Brunt, HRK possibly Livermore plus some of the younger players coming through and cheaper signings from the lower leagues aren't going to be as good as this seasons squad. Added we know that we can't afford the quality of loan signings such as Gayle. How can we expect to be as good next season?

you seriously think that Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez, Phillips, Rondon will all be sold ? when we were first relegated no body came in for Hegazi, Gibbs or Phillips so who is to say that somebody is this year?

morrison and Barry have been released which frees up wages along with loan players sent back. as i say, we will still have one of the bigger wage budgets in the league, yes we have to appoint the right manager and be more clever with our recruitment this season but yes, i still expect us to make suitable replacements and finish in the top 8-10 as a minimum and look to at least challenge for a play off finish.

it will take a squad re-build yes but if we were to give more time to the youngsters, combined with half decent recruitment of more experienced players and we finish around 9th-10th and at times challenged for a play off position then i would consider that as a decent season.

if we struggle and finish bottom third of the table then no that is not acceptable IMO.

this is the most important managerial appointment in years, we HAVE to get it right this time. we may have come out and said we cannot afford gayles 65k wages, but that still does not mean we cant be competitive in the division.
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Post by: Blowee on May 31, 2019, 10:02:47 AM
I've seen nothing to suggest we can't afford loan signings like Gayle, we just refuse to pay Premier league wages when we are in the championship.
Also why would the signings have to be from lower leagues?
Should we get Labbadia in as new manager he and his staff will have a reasonable idea of players that they could attract from the Bundesliga if not other European leagues.

Don't loan signings such as Gayle still get their PL wages playing in the Championship? If a manager wants to attract players from other European leagues then their wage demands aren't going to be significantly less than top UK leagues. I think the new manager is going to be shopping at Lidl rather than M&S and has to be given time to develop a squad capable of challenging.
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Post by: Blowee on May 31, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
you seriously think that Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez, Phillips, Rondon will all be sold ? when we were first relegated no body came in for Hegazi, Gibbs or Phillips so who is to say that somebody is this year?

morrison and Barry have been released which frees up wages along with loan players sent back. as i say, we will still have one of the bigger wage budgets in the league, yes we have to appoint the right manager and be more clever with our recruitment this season but yes, i still expect us to make suitable replacements and finish in the top 8-10 as a minimum and look to at least challenge for a play off finish.

it will take a squad re-build yes but if we were to give more time to the youngsters, combined with half decent recruitment of more experienced players and we finish around 9th-10th and at times challenged for a play off position then i would consider that as a decent season.

if we struggle and finish bottom third of the table then no that is not acceptable IMO.

this is the most important managerial appointment in years, we HAVE to get it right this time. we may have come out and said we cannot afford gayles 65k wages, but that still does not mean we cant be competitive in the division.

I think Hegazi, Dawson and Jrod are possible sales. I agree with you that a midtable/possible playoff challenge is acceptable but think that a new manager needs time to develop the squad for the longer term.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 31, 2019, 10:12:55 AM
Supporters' club chairman urges West Brom to appoint an experienced manager

Wise words indeed from John, hope the club is listening

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/31/john-homer-west-brom-must-go-with-experience/
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Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2019, 10:13:58 AM
Don't loan signings such as Gayle still get their PL wages playing in the Championship? If a manager wants to attract players from other European leagues then their wage demands aren't going to be significantly less than top UK leagues. I think the new manager is going to be shopping at Lidl rather than M&S and has to be given time to develop a squad capable of challenging.

Loan players wages are often split between the clubs involved.
It's been well documented that players in Germany get wages similar to the Championship.
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Post by: Blowee on May 31, 2019, 10:19:21 AM
Loan players wages are often split between the clubs involved.
It's been well documented that players in Germany get wages similar to the Championship.

In which case the manager will need time to sort who they want. I just hope we get the deals sorted very quickly once an appointment has been made!
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Post by: paulosull on May 31, 2019, 10:26:10 AM
Club board and Dowling are seriously becoming a joke, the longer it takes to appoint a head coach. God help the new coach if we ever get one when it comes to transfers with these clowns making decisions.
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Post by: Adder on May 31, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
Supporters' club chairman urges West Brom to appoint an experienced manager

Wise words indeed from John, hope the club is listening

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/31/john-homer-west-brom-must-go-with-experience/
It also hints at how important it is for the new manager and Dowling to recruit well. We can't hand over total control of signings to any manager, there has to be a strategy. I've got no issues with Dowling's work so far but the managerial appointment and the next two windows are hugely important for the club and Dowling.
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Post by: darbolina on May 31, 2019, 11:03:30 AM
Our current (DoF) model sounds great provided you have a very good football director so there's a lot riding on Dowling being the right person for this huge summer.

He was at Watford and Forest before so hopefully he provides more of the approach at Watford rather than Forest. Nick Hammond, Terraneo and Terry Burton apparently had a good reputation / pedigree too but we know how all that turned out!

I look at the board at the moment with massive concerns and doubts about whether they will ever get these big decisions right. This is based on the past few years of decision making which involved Jenkins and different football directors since Dan Ashworth.

Even if we get a top head coach/ manager, will he have the team around him to make some quality changes? Time will tell I guess..............
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 31, 2019, 11:35:55 AM
Our current (DoF) model sounds great provided you have a very good football director so there's a lot riding on Dowling being the right person for this huge summer.

He was at Watford and Forest before so hopefully he provides more of the approach at Watford rather than Forest. Nick Hammond, Terraneo and Terry Burton apparently had a good reputation / pedigree too but we know how all that turned out!

I look at the board at the moment with massive concerns and doubts about whether they will ever get these big decisions right. This is based on the past few years of decision making which involved Jenkins and different football directors since Dan Ashworth.

Even if we get a top head coach/ manager, will he have the team around him to make some quality changes? Time will tell I guess..............

Very good point, but a top coach could hopefully recommend other top people to bring in to join the team??
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Post by: Xpresso on May 31, 2019, 11:53:34 AM
Quote
Supporters' club chairman urges West Brom to appoint an experienced manager

Wise words indeed from John, hope the club is listening

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/31/john-homer-west-brom-must-go-with-experience/

Yes, but it needs to be the right kind of experience. Pulis had plenty of experience, so did Pardew. There's also the small matter of needing to build a new team virtually from scratch. It's not going to happen overnight. Even Klop and Pochettino needed a season or two to get their teams as they wanted them and they started with much better squads than our new man will have.
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Post by: alex1 on May 31, 2019, 02:16:57 PM
Even though I'm hoping its Labbadia because he will bring fresh enthousiasm and ideas to the place, he would have to act fast in bringing in any players from Europe, before and if Brexit goes ahead. (PS I won't get started on that- not that the Mods would let me  :)) But we would be faced with a panel having to approve new players, the sort of complication we absolutely don't need. I think they use as a rule of thumb based on number of international appearances?  Mind you that would apply to all British clubs under which ever manager, but in the case of a European manager, he is likley to have alot of targets on the continent. 
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Post by: SmethDan on May 31, 2019, 02:30:40 PM
Jeremy Peace's thoughts (via spoof twitter account) on our reported second round of talks with Bruno Labbadia...........

https://twitter.com/ChairmanPeace/status/1134008757053247490
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Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 31, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
Jeremy Peace's thoughts (via spoof twitter account) on our reported second round of talks with Bruno Labbadia...........

https://twitter.com/ChairmanPeace/status/1134008757053247490

I set that account up yonks ago, was a little bit heartbroken when he moved on and didn't want to try change the name and emulate Lai through fear of accidental racism  ;D
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Post by: darbolina on May 31, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
well done psalm that was a class spoof account... 
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Post by: SmethDan on May 31, 2019, 03:09:01 PM
I set that account up yonks ago, was a little bit heartbroken when he moved on and didn't want to try change the name and emulate Lai through fear of accidental racism  ;D

Quality, it's given me some right laughs  8) .
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2019, 03:14:04 PM
Seen it for the first time today. Brilliant.
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Post by: tucka9 on May 31, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
https://twitter.com/robdorsettsky/status/1134465593162305536?s=21
Heard it all now
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Post by: Mister AT on May 31, 2019, 03:35:09 PM
Got to laugh ain’t ya:

Understand #wbafc are interested in making #sufc manager Chris Wilder their new boss. Would be amazing if he left Prem chance, but he is increasingly frustrated by budget limitations and political rows at Sheff Utd behind the scenes.
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Post by: darbolina on May 31, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Oldest trick in the book - Wilder's agent puts it out Albion are interested and he miraculously gets a rise and the support he wanted................
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Post by: Mister AT on May 31, 2019, 03:50:34 PM
Give it 2 days before sky announce Wilder has signed a new and improved contract at United.
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 03:57:05 PM
If Wilder finds the Sheff Utd board frustrating and is considering us at any level he must have never ever ever paid any attention to our club.
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 04:04:08 PM
True according to Matt Wilson   :o

"Can confirm #wba are trying to lure Chris Wilder away from #sufc. Whether they can or not, is another matter. Remarkable if he left Prem (and his club) but Albion trying to capitalise on unrest behind scenes. One of the new names on evolving shortlist. Labbadia still in running"
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Post by: Pie on May 31, 2019, 04:13:17 PM
Here we go chasing an extremely unlikely prospect while a potentially good candidate in Labbadia will get frustrated of waiting and be employed elsewhere.

Seen this before.
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Post by: zac on May 31, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Here we go chasing an extremely unlikely prospect while a potentially good candidate in Labbadia will get frustrated of waiting and be employed elsewhere.

Seen this before.

That is exactly what i fear will happen. If Wilder is frustrated by budget limitations and issues with ownership then coming here aint going to improve either of those.
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Post by: smethwickw on May 31, 2019, 04:16:21 PM
True according to Matt Wilson   :o

"Can confirm #wba are trying to lure Chris Wilder away from #sufc. Whether they can or not, is another matter. Remarkable if he left Prem (and his club) but Albion trying to capitalise on unrest behind scenes. One of the new names on evolving shortlist. Labbadia still in running"

Sounds like a scattergun approach. Have we any idea at all what we are looking for?
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 04:20:48 PM
Sounds like a scattergun approach. Have we any idea at all what we are looking for?


As it's our board i'd say no. They will faff about with Wilder, lose out on Labbadia then Wilder will sign a new improved deal wth SUFC and then the board will be all lost at sea again.
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Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2019, 04:48:37 PM
Wilder is fairly progressive and has done an impressive job at Sheffield United in any other circumstances I would be happy that the club were interested. However this has a feel of us pursuing the next bright and shinny thing that catches our attention. I also wouldn't want to hitch our Head Coach search to the whatever soap opera is going on behind the scenes at Bramhall Lane.


If Labbadia is available and interested we need to close the deal.
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Post by: divinewind on May 31, 2019, 04:49:58 PM
Got to laugh ain’t ya:

Understand #wbafc are interested in making #sufc manager Chris Wilder their new boss. Would be amazing if he left Prem chance, but he is increasingly frustrated by budget limitations and political rows at Sheff Utd behind the scenes.

Not a cat in hells chance. If he thinks their board are bad.....
Another one trying to get the best deal out of his board.
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Post by: darbolina on May 31, 2019, 04:56:48 PM
If theres a genuine chance id say wilder would suit us better than labbadia. Clear championship pedigree and a safer bet overall whilst still building fairly attacking teams.  If its between him and labbadia though either would likely be good if they're properly backed (big if)
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Post by: Adder on May 31, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
Wasn't expecting to see that name on here - thought I'd accidentally clicked on the boxing thread for a moment.

Completely bizarre. I'd be very happy with Wilder but it would be a huge shock if it happened.
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Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
Wilder. Ha ha no chance. Absolute bullsh*t journalism. You'd have to stupid to believe this nonsense. Lazy journalism on account of the fact that there's nothing much happening at the moment.

It'll be Labaddia as long as he agrees terms.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on May 31, 2019, 05:14:23 PM
We are beyond a laughing stock. Labbadia won't be coming as we won't pay his wages apparently. Tin pot club
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Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 05:17:39 PM
We are beyond a laughing stock. Labbadia won't be coming as we won't pay his wages apparently. Tin pot club


Absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever.
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Post by: Dexy on May 31, 2019, 05:19:38 PM
Wilder. Ha ha no chance. Absolute bullsh*t journalism. You'd have to stupid to believe this nonsense. Lazy journalism on account of the fact that there's nothing much happening at the moment.

It'll be Labaddia as long as he agrees terms.
Its true , genuine interest according to Matt Wilson.
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Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 05:20:33 PM
Its true , genuine interest according to Matt Wilson.


Wait and see. No chance.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 31, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
I would put money on this link being a ploy from Wilder to get a better contract, and a ploy by our board to convince Labbadia to take the job.
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Post by: alex1 on May 31, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
We are beyond a laughing stock. Labbadia won't be coming as we won't pay his wages apparently. Tin pot club
Any direct quotes? Or just an obscure twitter account?
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Post by: SirTonyM on May 31, 2019, 05:27:34 PM
Football fans are a typically hilarious and fickle bunch...

"We have to push the boat out and get a decent, experienced manager to get us promoted".

"West Brom trying to get Wilder"

"What an embarrassment we are, there is not a chance of us getting Wilder".....

I know everyone is now ready to write lot's of responses about smokescreens and new contracts for Wilder etc but it is amusing....
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Post by: WBArgo on May 31, 2019, 05:27:57 PM
I would put money on this link being a ploy from Wilder to get a better contract, and a ploy by our board to convince Labbadia to take the job.

Pretty much, it often happens with newly promoted teams, managers and players make a point to get a better deal. Or in the managers case it means he can squeeze out an extra signing from the board. I remember Neil Warnock was doing it last season with Cardiff.
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 05:46:41 PM
ALan Nixon also said its true we wanted Wilder when we thought Sheff Utd wouldnt go up but can't see him coming here now we are stuck in the champo.
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Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 05:53:39 PM
People take WAY too much notice of press announcements or comments from the likes of Nixon who don't know anything, just presume and voice their opinions in public because they have the platform to do so.

The only comments we need to pay attention to are those that come from directly within the club, not Nixon, not Sky Sports, not Express And Star.
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Post by: SirTonyM on May 31, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
The biggest issue with the Matt Wilson article isn't the fact we are going for Wilder, its the fact the headline said we are "Swooping" for Wilder. When did we last "swoop" for anyone?
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 05:56:06 PM
That makes no sense. This is a discussion board. That's all people are doing.

If we only commented on official releases this would be a very quiet place indeed. Our beloved club is not known for being honest and open with the fans, quite the opposite.
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Post by: Dan on May 31, 2019, 06:01:53 PM
The club really should have had this sorted by today. At the moment we have essentially a 17 man squad of players (assuming Rondon and Harper are off as is basically certain) and that still includes players we appear not to want like Burke or don't trust as first team squad members like Field, Edwards and Leko. Coupled with the expected departure of some of the senior players we're going to have a turnover of at least half the first team squad this summer - that's a huge job.

Already by taking so long we've missed out on a bunch of the better free transfers that were available (although we've at least been wise enough not to take a punt and waste money on players a new manager might not want) and the more time we take the less time we have to plan.

We already have a new manager coming in, we'll probably sign around 10 players so have about half a new squad coming in, and the transfer window shuts the first week of August now. If the club has so many good candidates then they just need to choose one rather than chasing all of them up and a) risking getting none of them and b) serving an impossible job to whoever gets it by parachuting them in too late they can't properly evaluate the squad in time or make the transfers they want.
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Post by: BalisPen on May 31, 2019, 06:09:35 PM
I cannot believe this latest rumour about Wilder.

He is great, but also a lifelong blade who has just taken his beloved team up on a relative shoestring.

Unless he's on a quid 50 there you've got more chance of Sean Bean getting an Oscar.
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Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
I cannot believe this latest rumour about Wilder.

He is great, but also a lifelong blade who has just taken his beloved team up on a relative shoestring.

Unless he's on a quid 50 there you've got more chance of Sean Bean getting an Oscar.


Exactly. You have to be a special kind of thick to think Wilder is coming here.

A Blades fan who has coached them into the Premier League is really going to leave them for a club in the Championship. If it were Man Utd or Liverpool maybe, just maybe, the opportunity is just too enormous. Anyone else. Not a cat in else chance. It just amazes me that people need this pointing out.
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 31, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Wait for the Labbadia deal to collapse over the weekend, due to Jenkins penny pinching AGAIN. We will get what we pay for - A cheap no good manager that takes us backwards even more. Jenkins has absolutely no vision, and clearly doesn't understand that quality comes at a price.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 31, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
So why not just pay Wolfburg the last month on his contract and get him in now.
Or is that too easy?

No, too expensive of course
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 31, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
Wait for the Labbadia deal to collapse over the weekend, due to Jenkins penny pinching AGAIN. We will get what we pay for - A cheap no good manager that takes us backwards even more. Jenkins has absolutely no vision, and clearly doesn't understand that quality comes at a price.

There are mentions on social media that the deal has collapsed. I have read in two or three unreliable places, so perhaps utter rubbish.
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Post by: alex1 on May 31, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
Might be an issue on length of contract. Interesting that the job Labbadia was linked to at his old club Hamburger SV, went to Dieter Hecking on a 1 year deal, but with automatic extension if the club was promoted.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 31, 2019, 07:01:29 PM
Someone mentioned earlier about a scatter gun approach.

Seems to me the only thing we know is what we will give as wages. Given the range of names we are linked with, the style of football does not appear to be a big priority.

We 'appear' to be lurching from target to target, with wages being a major factor, as shown by Jokanovic apparently.

The longer this goes on, the longer it looks like Appleton...
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 07:07:39 PM
Would love to be a fly in the room during a time when our board are negotiating with a player/manager. Can only imagine.
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Post by: paulosull on May 31, 2019, 07:14:37 PM
There are mentions on social media that the deal has collapsed. I have read in two or three unreliable places, so perhaps utter rubbish.
been reported in article about wilder that he's wage demands are not comparable to what Jenkins was offering.
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Post by: BB74 on May 31, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
I can see it now... after an extensive search the board have unanimously decided that Michael Appleton is the number one choice of the board.
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Post by: Adder on May 31, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
For what it's worth and we'll watch this space, but Matt Wilson has said that Appleton is not being considered. 
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Post by: BB74 on May 31, 2019, 07:41:19 PM
For what it's worth and we'll watch this space, but Matt Wilson has said that Appleton is not being considered.

There’s nothing to consider if he is number one target. The other shortlists and interviews will be fobbed off as due diligence.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
Bored now with all the BS.

Jenkins, let Labbadia sign with your blood. Now.
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 31, 2019, 07:58:22 PM
I know I pay less than most due to being disabled, but, I regret renewing. This is just bull
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Post by: zippyandbungle on May 31, 2019, 08:02:41 PM
I know I pay less than most due to being disabled, but, I regret renewing. This is just bull
You purchased a ticket for the film, yet wrote it off before you even got to your seat.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 31, 2019, 08:12:25 PM
Get wilder in and I’ll start believing we still got something about us.
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 31, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
You purchased a ticket for the film, yet wrote it off before you even got to your seat.

90+ day to sort this. or at least plan. may as well give it Shan. Then prepare for preseason. As for Wilder I maybe disabled but I haven't got the C word tattooed on my forhead why would Wilder leave the blunts? it looks exactly what it is and that's DESPERATE. we are looking like Sunderland
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 31, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
The biggest issue with the Matt Wilson article isn't the fact we are going for Wilder, its the fact the headline said we are "Swooping" for Wilder. When did we last "swoop" for anyone?
We have a history of swooping for injured loanees.  ;)
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 31, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
Get wilder in and I’ll start believing we still got something about us.

Yep leave the side he's supported all his life and got double promotion just as he hits big money can't see it myself
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Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
Sky also reporting that Labbadia's wage demands has put us off  ::)
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Post by: lewisant on May 31, 2019, 08:28:05 PM
I love the club to show ambition but how many times have we been excited about an attainable target only for us to over shoot completely and miss out on both and end up with the ugly sister?!

I don’t like this development at all. Unless there is something massively wrong at Sheffield United then I don’t even understand it.
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Post by: BB74 on May 31, 2019, 08:30:34 PM
This Labbadia is the Ralph Rangnick debacle all over again. I’d put my house on it.
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 31, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
Sky also reporting that Labbadia's wage demands has put us off  ::)

Indeed

Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11732419/west-brom-interested-in-hiring-sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-as-new-manager
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Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2019, 08:42:09 PM
This Labbadia is the Ralph Rangnick debacle all over again. I’d put my house on it.

Yep.
Now all we have to do is wait for them to wheel out a Pepi Melesque type of appointment
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 31, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
Get wilder in and I’ll start believing we still got something about us.

He was great in Young Frankenstein 😜
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Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
First meeting with BL : 'How much do you want Bruno?'

Second meeting with BL : 'Your not getting it. bye'
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Post by: alwaysbilly on May 31, 2019, 09:01:57 PM
Someone mentioned earlier about a scatter gun approach.

Seems to me the only thing we know is what we will give as wages. Given the range of names we are linked with, the style of football does not appear to be a big priority.

We 'appear' to be lurching from target to target, with wages being a major factor, as shown by Jokanovic apparently.

The longer this goes on, the longer it looks like Appleton...
Of course it will be Appleton. This is a circus ran by the clowns currently on our board.
The Wilder thing is.a complete joke and makes a farce of whatever has been going on since March.
Appleton will be appointed end of June.
No ambition.
Jenkins is back
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Post by: timdon on May 31, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Indeed

Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11732419/west-brom-interested-in-hiring-sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-as-new-manager
"Sky sports understands that Labbadia's wages may have been an issue"
Note the lack of any certainty in this quote. Translated as we are just making it up as we go, based on what we have read from other journalists. Usual Sky standards of journalism.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 31, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
More and more this just looks like
Smoke screens and eventually they’ll appoint one of the originals. In this case be Appleton. I’m not totally against it. He’s had a look in last season.
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 31, 2019, 09:12:24 PM
Whats Pepe Mel upto these days?
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Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 09:27:55 PM
This board (Jenkins) i am completely done with. I am sure we interview half these managers with little intention of hiring them just so the can say "we tried, they cost too much, yadda yadda........ taa daa heres Appleton."
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on May 31, 2019, 09:39:39 PM
It's all "smoking mirrors" - my new favourite phrase penned by another .com member.

I think, not sure, but i think i'm past caring. I think that's what they want. Then they roll out Irvine II
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 31, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
It's all "smoking mirrors" - my new favourite phrase penned by another .com member.

I think, not sure, but i think i'm past caring. I think that's what they want. Then they roll out Irvine II


Haha. If they announce the day England win the Nations League...
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Post by: darbolina on May 31, 2019, 09:51:34 PM
This is all beginning to feel very alan irvine aka appleton..........the modern day version
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Post by: Dexy on May 31, 2019, 10:00:13 PM

Wait and see. No chance.
Oh yeah agree ,as I pointed out though came from Wilson so not journo rubbish.
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Post by: lewisant on May 31, 2019, 10:02:00 PM

Haha. If they announce the day England win the Nations League...

Ala 9/11 "ANNOUNCE BAD NEWS" "put awful policies through"

"WBA welcomes Brian McDermott."

I wish i was past caring
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wbawill on May 31, 2019, 10:17:02 PM
I can't believe I genuinely started to hope that Labbadia would be signed. As per usual, the club pretends to have ambition to drag the fans on a bit longer before reverting to type. The Wilder rumour is a joke - it's pretty clear that he wants SUFC to stump up and offer him more money and a bigger transfer kitty, so is using us as a bargaining chip. It's exactly the same ploy Alex Neil used so if the club falls for it again they're even bigger idiots than I thought. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on May 31, 2019, 10:27:34 PM
Our board have no shame. Scum to claim it's Gayle or redundancies, scum to force peoples hands with the early season ticket fiasco.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on May 31, 2019, 10:36:22 PM
Not sure that money is an issue, but it's worrying that they've interviewed a number of candidates & can't commit to any.
Difficult to see how Labaddia gets the gig now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2019, 10:44:10 PM
He was great in Young Frankenstein 😜

He was indeed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on May 31, 2019, 11:38:15 PM
Get wilder in and I’ll start believing we still got something about us.

You’ve got more chance of getting gene Wilder and he's dead.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 01, 2019, 06:39:17 AM
We really are a naughty word about club aren't we?
All this messing about since March its a wonder any manager is interested in the job at all.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Blowee on June 01, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
If it ends up (as many of us are now starting to believe) as Appleton, surely it's not very motivating for him? Basically, we would have spent the best part of four months researching, interviewing and realising that we can't afford our targets to turn round to a bloke who could have taken over in March. We would be saying, "we can't afford who we wanted but will you have the job because you're cheap?!"
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on June 01, 2019, 08:18:50 AM
If it ends up (as many of us are now starting to believe) as Appleton, surely it's not very motivating for him? Basically, we would have spent the best part of four months researching, interviewing and realising that we can't afford our targets to turn round to a bloke who could have taken over in March. We would be saying, "we can't afford who we wanted but will you have the job because you're cheap?!"

There's plenty of managers who get jobs like that and I think most of them are just happy to land the job. I agree fully, I believe Irvine was the same, and you know how that ended.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on June 01, 2019, 08:28:03 AM
I'm not convinced money is the main driver in this procrastination. (To get Wilder we would need to pay compensation).
Tend to think they are looking for somebody that ticks all the boxes, & up to now, none of the candidates do.
On the other hand, time is rapidly approaching when the board have to make a decision of some sort & we may well end up with the least risky option, who could be Appleton.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on June 01, 2019, 08:34:05 AM
There's plenty of managers who get jobs like that and I think most of them are just happy to land the job. I agree fully, I believe Irvine was the same, and you know how that ended.

We got Irvine because we appointed Terry Burton as DoF. Terry was a good coach, but totally out of his depth as DoF.
The current situation is not the same, but I'm worried that our present DoF is scared of getting it wrong.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on June 01, 2019, 08:44:16 AM
If we were to appoint Appleton now then he’s already had a vote of no confidence as far as I’m concerned .If the  board truly believe he is the right man he should have been appointed by now and he hasn’t . Even he must be thinking they don’t trust him.

I have yet to speak to anyone who would be happy with Appleton.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2019, 08:55:06 AM
There's lots of unfounded speculation flying around at the moment, isn't there?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tambag on June 01, 2019, 09:08:26 AM
Who ever we end up appointing, will be our number one choice whenever its announced.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 01, 2019, 09:13:53 AM
Who ever we end up appointing, will be our number one choice whenever its announced.

"After much deliberation and due process, we realised that Michael was the perfect fit for our ambitious plans going forward. .....Oh is that one prawn?"
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: colinmax on June 01, 2019, 09:16:10 AM
What has changed to suggest that Appleton is suddenly the favourite?
I would go for a young manager from league 1 or 2 whose team plays attacking football as he would likely
be enthusiastic and would know the lower league market so we could hopefully sign promising players who are not going to cost a fortune in fee or wages.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: billvis on June 01, 2019, 09:22:09 AM
 IMO, this is the craic;

Jenkins meets Lai, told "you've got'insert figure here' to spend on manager"

Jenkins and Dowling draw up list, some fish bite, Labbadia is biggest fish to nibble.

Gets him in for interview. Bruno's after a payday from a floundering club desperate to get back into greed league, knowing German manager's currently hot property. Jenkins hopes to give him the big sell and sign up within his budget, which is less than Bruno expects.

Never the Twain shall meet.

Forget Wilder. Utter Bllx.

Everyone saying Irvine MK2 is exactly right.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: the other AJ on June 01, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
This situation is so forked.
Said a few weeks ago that we are at a crossroads before the play off Villa result/ manoeuvring by the officials.
Now , still managerless, we appear desperate and are floundering at Board level, lurching from week to week between supposed available candidates.
The longer this goes on I’m seriously concerned how next season is going to shape up...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 01, 2019, 09:34:31 AM
I hope the club are monitoring these boards.
If they are FFS GET YOUR FINGERS OUT!and give us some hope for next season
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 01, 2019, 10:01:02 AM
If we appoint Appleton we might as well have league one stamped on our shirts.

Awful Manager.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: solidus on June 01, 2019, 10:13:51 AM
The board haven't made a correct decision for years, so why should they now? I fully expect next season to be a big struggle for the albion, whoever is in charge..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on June 01, 2019, 10:18:43 AM
With the complete contrast in style between the names linked it screams several people getting involved to me , IMO the main part of this is for Dowling to do and If he is behind this selection mess then I give up .
I don't go around claiming the Albion is a big club or use a Villa type mindset but this is getting a joke now to be without a manager since Feb and appearing to have a structured plan at all.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on June 01, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
The board need to ignore the Wilder rumours. There is no way he will leave Sheffield. Its just a ply to get a new contract.

We need to make a decision soon and tell the fans. All this messing around and secrets are not good for the fans who have paid their money up front with early season ticket purchases.  we deserve better than this.

Appoint Labbida , if hes not interested offer the job to Pearson and lets get some players in for next season otherwise we will run out of time as the transfer window closes early August.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2019, 10:27:32 AM
I honestly don't see us circling back to Appleton (still don't get why fans have taken so strongly against him but that is by the by) however I remain somewhat perplexed.

Our biggest problem seems that if we are looking at this as a long term appointment then if we don't get promoted in the next 2 seasons what we can afford in wages the following season is greatly diminished.

For instance if Labbadia wants £30k a week that is ok next year, a stretch the following year and by year 3 it is significantly eating into the playing budget. At best we can offer him a two year contract or a three year deal with some sort of flexdown arrangement  or break clause at the end of year 2.

Some might say that if he hasn't got us promoted by the end of year 2 we should sack him anyway. From a financial perspective that makes matters worse a lot worse because we not only have to settle the balance of the contract we also have to pay the wages of whoever we bring in.

From a wages perspective Wilder is probably a lot more realistic prospect even allowing for buying out his contract which is something we seemed to be prepared to consider for the Cowleys. Unless of course Sheffield United offer a better contract and they are in talks with Wilder. However there is a court case rumbling in the background over the long term dispute between Co Owners McCabe and Prince Abdullah which might have a profound impact on the club. Hence Wilder might not be an all together hopeless option.

Setting Wilder aside and given the club's diminishing financial position maybe we would be better looking at younger candidates who have cut their teeth at League 1 or 2 level where a sustainable Championship salary would be a quantum leap forward for them and something that would allow the club to give them time.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on June 01, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
I'd be happy with Pearson.  If he got up the board's nose so much the better.   But I think the reality is that lots of candidates have been interviewed but their demands have exceeded what the board is prepared to pay.  In that situation you've got to gamble on a lower league manager with potential  - not one who has already proved mediocre.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2019, 10:47:19 AM
I'd be happy with Pearson.  If he got up the board's nose so much the better.   But I think the reality is that lots of candidates have been interviewed but their demands have exceeded what the board is prepared to pay.  In that situation you've got to gamble on a lower league manager with potential  - not one who has already proved mediocre.

That is a reciepe for disaster it seldom ends well for club or manager. Whoever we appoint has to influnece those around him but outright conflict like that between Benetiz and the Newcastle board rarely is sustainable and adds to the sense of perpetual crisis at a club. Great for journalists and some fans think the manager is their Champion against an unpopular board (all boards are unpopular apart from a handful) but generally working with the board is a far better option for all concerned.

Personally I have never taken to Pearson not totally anti but just a little wary of him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on June 01, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
This is getting to be a rather depressing thread.

We all know it’s going to be Appleton....😁
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2019, 12:18:08 PM
If you feel you are displaying any of the following symptoms:-

Panic, fear, and uneasiness
Sleep problems
Not being able to stay calm and still
Cold, sweaty, numb or tingling hands or feet
Shortness of breath
Heart palpitations
Dry mouth
Nausea

You are suffering from anxiety and need to "calm down, calm down, it's only a Head Coach we're talking about here"  :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on June 01, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
I honestly don't see us circling back to Appleton (still don't get why fans have taken so strongly against him but that is by the by) however I remain somewhat perplexed.

Our biggest problem seems that if we are looking at this as a long term appointment then if we don't get promoted in the next 2 seasons what we can afford in wages the following season is greatly diminished.

For instance if Labbadia wants £30k a week that is ok next year, a stretch the following year and by year 3 it is significantly eating into the playing budget. At best we can offer him a two year contract or a three year deal with some sort of flexdown arrangement  or break clause at the end of year 2.

Some might say that if he hasn't got us promoted by the end of year 2 we should sack him anyway. From a financial perspective that makes matters worse a lot worse because we not only have to settle the balance of the contract we also have to pay the wages of whoever we bring in.

From a wages perspective Wilder is probably a lot more realistic prospect even allowing for buying out his contract which is something we seemed to be prepared to consider for the Cowleys. Unless of course Sheffield United offer a better contract and they are in talks with Wilder. However there is a court case rumbling in the background over the long term dispute between Co Owners McCabe and Prince Abdullah which might have a profound impact on the club. Hence Wilder might not be an all together hopeless option.

Setting Wilder aside and given the club's diminishing financial position maybe we would be better looking at younger candidates who have cut their teeth at League 1 or 2 level where a sustainable Championship salary would be a quantum leap forward for them and something that would allow the club to give them time.

Thinks it what Appleton represents Stan - bit underwhelming , cheap and lacking imagination. I'd like to see a bold move this summer and with a statement to try to move us on. We've been slowly declining for years now and clearly need a fresh start from top down.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kendo on June 01, 2019, 12:55:24 PM
Why don't we try and get Pulis back and see if he can keep us in the championship. What a joke this club really is. It just gets worse every day. It makes you sick but, it as being on the cards for the last 3 seasons, old squad , no ambition, contracts to players that should never have been aloud to stay and then an owner who don't give a monkeys, a rubbish board and then they  wander were the money as gone. it makes me wander why I go on line all the time.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2019, 01:13:15 PM
Sheffield United: Blades set to continue contract talks with Chris Wilder

I consider this whole Wilder story a nonstarter personally

Source: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/latest-blades-news/sheffield-united-blades-set-to-continue-contract-talks-with-chris-wilder-70136
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 01, 2019, 01:18:51 PM
Sheffield United: Blades set to continue contract talks with Chris Wilder

I consider this whole Wilder story a nonstarter personally

Source: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/latest-blades-news/sheffield-united-blades-set-to-continue-contract-talks-with-chris-wilder-70136

Of course it is. When we appoint YET ANOTHER uninspiring head-up-his-backside coach, they'll be telling us 'at least we tried'.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 01, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
The thing about Chris Wilder is this McCabe/Abdullah thing has been going on for years in fact way before Wilder was appointed. He ain't leaving Sheffield United unless he's sacked. This board is just toxic sacking the second high profile Black coach after Chris Powell. Damaging the club's progressive reputation in the processs. Then they get played by that Scottish goblin at Preston for a better deal at preston. Truth is I'm glad because as I've never rated Neil. 90+ days this farce has gone on What are we offering people A Topiary giftcard from Lai? This is like goning to a private hospital when have the money for open heart surgery. having choice of the best but expensive surgeon then choosing a chiropodist to do it, because they take luncheon vouchers. What do they want? promotion? Well you are going to have to spend for that. It like Gayle yeah his wages are £3m but with that £3m you are most likely to get a high percentage of the goals to get you £170m. I can't just blame Lai though he's lost interest in his toy. Jenkins is a bigger worry because after all this rubbish the window opened at midnight. which means players such as Harper are out of contract. So by fannying around we stand to lose yet more
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on June 01, 2019, 01:37:29 PM
Sheffield United: Blades set to continue contract talks with Chris Wilder

I consider this whole Wilder story a nonstarter personally

Source: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/latest-blades-news/sheffield-united-blades-set-to-continue-contract-talks-with-chris-wilder-70136
Now that's out of the way, just make Labbadia a decent offer, before he loses interest.
If he's flown in for 2 sets of talks already, he's probably reaching that point anyway.

If that's not going to happen, try and reach a deal with Hughton.
I'm just worried that the longer this goes on, the best candidates will have been snapped up. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on June 01, 2019, 01:42:17 PM
It has been mentioned a few times but just as a helpful reminder.
Our last few managerial appointments
Alan Irvine
Pepe Mel
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew
Darren Moore

Yet somehow we are hoping for a brilliant next appointment :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 01, 2019, 02:14:22 PM
It has been mentioned a few times but just as a helpful reminder.
Our last few managerial appointments
Alan Irvine
Pepe Mel
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew
Darren Moore

Yet somehow we are hoping for a brilliant next appointment :)

With Pulis head and shoulders above the others.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BB74 on June 01, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
It has been mentioned a few times but just as a helpful reminder.
Our last few managerial appointments
Alan Irvine
Pepe Mel
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew
Darren Moore

Yet somehow we are hoping for a brilliant next appointment :)

I’m a realist and expect an underwhelming appointment but it’s the hope that kills you.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wba_1996 on June 01, 2019, 03:18:00 PM
I had absolutely zero expectation for the latest episode in this head coach debacle, and yet I'm still preparing to be disappointed. We're now wasting time targeting managers who we have zero chance of appointing, entirely due to Jenkins' refusal to pay them anywhere near what they're worth, in the hope that our fans are dumb enough to not see through it and applaud the ambition.

Why we're bothering 'trying' for Wilder is beyond me. Always the same with this club, afraid to take a chance on someone 'unproven', then when they've outgrown us and it's far too late we're wishing we could bring them in. It's happened with countless players and managers. Bet they'd give their right arm for Dean Smith now, even though we had him on a plate this time last year. The fact Labbadia and Jokanovic are even considering our circus bewilders me, but they won't accept the same wage we pay our academy coaches so we'll miss out again.
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Post by: KN22 on June 01, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
With Pulis head and shoulders above the others.

I strongly disagree.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 01, 2019, 03:52:40 PM
I strongly disagree.

Don't worry he's on a wind-up.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2019, 04:14:35 PM
I had absolutely zero expectation for the latest episode in this head coach debacle, and yet I'm still preparing to be disappointed. We're now wasting time targeting managers who we have zero chance of appointing, entirely due to Jenkins' refusal to pay them anywhere near what they're worth, in the hope that our fans are dumb enough to not see through it and applaud the ambition.

Why we're bothering 'trying' for Wilder is beyond me. Always the same with this club, afraid to take a chance on someone 'unproven', then when they've outgrown us and it's far too late we're wishing we could bring them in. It's happened with countless players and managers. Bet they'd give their right arm for Dean Smith now, even though we had him on a plate this time last year. The fact Labbadia and Jokanovic are even considering our circus bewilders me, but they won't accept the same wage we pay our academy coaches so we'll miss out again.

I have it on reasonable authority that Jenkins wanted Smith ahead of Moore but wins against Man U and Spurs carried a great deal of weight with Lai who over ruled the local management. We will never know how that turns out Smith's football and that squad is not obviously better than top 6.

The list WAS NOT CHEAP it is horrible. Truly horrible, at nearly every turn there were arguably better and CHEAPER options and anyone we paid off was doubly expensive. What is clear there was no coherent stratergy behind the appintments. We have lurched from Counter Attack to High Press to Defensive Grind to f*ck knows what to a Possession based style and now another twist.

Can we just stop it!!
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 01, 2019, 05:59:08 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-suffer-blow-target-16364709 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-suffer-blow-target-16364709)

Well that didn't take long. Not like he would ever leave.  I agree with a a number of posters. The board are basically a chimp throwing it's own dung against a wall and seeing what sticks 80+ plus days to plan something anything. what have they been doing? Birmingham mail they want someone in place by June 24th! Great that a third of the window. a mate said to me the only ones who care are us fans. At the moment they're proving him right at every turn
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Post by: albion59 on June 01, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
With Pulis head and shoulders above the others.
You do know we are the mess we are in because of him, don't you?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
Considering our current search for a Head Coach / Manager, it got me wondering if there is a correlation between a team’s success and the number of managers they have had and I came up with this:

In a league table of the longest serving Head Coach / Manager Albion are top, Fred Everiss, who was in charge for 16,740 days between 1902 and 1948

In a league table of the 12 founder members of the football league, Albion is 2nd in the highest number of managers with 42, top spot goes to Notts County with 57

In a league table of the number of managers all 92 football clubs have had, Albion are 16th with 42

For comparison:
In joint 49th Birmingham with 33 managers
In joint 59th Wolves with 32 managers
In joint 66th vile with 30 managers

By no means conclusive and needs a lot more analytical work, but we do get through a few and I have a sense that their is a connection when you look at the clubs that have been successful over the years and the number of managers they have had.

No doubt we need stability in the Head Coach / Manager department
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 06:26:35 PM
You do know we are the mess we are in because of him, don't you?

Can't agree that this mess is all down to one man mate, they all have a part to play. Pulis, Williams, Jenkins, Lai, Dowling the lot, none are solely to blame but none are blameless either and the players can take their share of it as well.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
Can't agree that this mess is all down to one man mate, they all have a part to play. Pulis, Williams, Jenkins, Lai, Dowling the lot, none are solely to blame but none are blameless either and the players can take their share of it as well.

I think it's a little premature to include Dowling if I'm honest, but as for the others GUILTY! as charged
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 01, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
I know DM was naive and raw, but they went for him and should have back him properly.
A good man let down badly. Either commit or don't Jenkins, that's how it works. Not fair to Big Dave and not fair to us supporters either.

We need a good appointment of course but we need to be fearless, step out into more adventurous territory and also be prepared to open the wallet, two things I sincerely doubt this board (sic Jenkins/ Lai) are capable of.

Long time since I felt so wary of our powers that be. Don't think they can string two decisions together.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on June 01, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
It's everyones fault apart from the man who lined his own pockets and sold us to this Lai. Wasn't his fault at all, he was great for the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiebof on June 01, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
Considering our current search for a Head Coach / Manager, it got me wondering if there is a correlation between a team’s success and the number of managers they have had and I came up with this:

In a league table of the longest serving Head Coach / Manager Albion are top, Fred Everiss, who was in charge for 16,740 days between 1902 and 1948

In a league table of the 12 founder members of the football league, Albion is 2nd in the highest number of managers with 42, top spot goes to Notts County with 57

In a league table of the number of managers all 92 football clubs have had, Albion are 16th with 42

For comparison:
In joint 49th Birmingham with 33 managers
In joint 59th Wolves with 32 managers
In joint 66th vile with 30 managers

By no means conclusive and needs a lot more analytical work, but we do get through a few and I have a sense that their is a connection when you look at the clubs that have been successful over the years and the number of managers they have had.

No doubt we need stability in the Head Coach / Manager department

Although potentially you get through more managers as a result of not doing well, not the other way round.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 07:13:23 PM
I think it's a little premature to include Dowling if I'm honest, but as for the others GUILTY! as charged

Not seen anything from him to be honest, the January signings were hit and miss with Murphy and Montero especially being pointless and no better than what we already have here. Still waiting to see any sign of an actual plan given how long it s now been since we sacked Moore.

I hear the comments about trusting the club but so far i've not seen anything from them to suggest they can be trusted, time will tell but that time is running out.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 01, 2019, 07:19:06 PM
This thread is pretty amazing even by our recent miserable and negative standards ..
There are so many points that are being hysterically raised
So for me
Last 6 managers, actually not always the cheapest options, Pardew and Pullis both actually made sense at the time of appointement
The board, someone on her used the word "scum" really?, you don't know them, you have no idea of their moral compass , I'd suggest not one of the board currentbor previous ever deliberately did anything or made decisions to have a negative impact on WBA, if you suggest they do/did I'd be very careful
Next appointment, how funny to see people demanding the board appoint someone that the same posters hadn't even heard of at the start of may.....then accuse the board of not knowing what they are doing and not planning 😂😂
Dean smith, he's done ok with a bunch of losers 😀,maybe he would have been a better option, however he is villa through and through so he probably have jumped ship at some point anyway, the board really had no choice after how DM finished last season, easy for all of us with hindsight...but if we were in charge it would have been hard not to give DM the job
Wilder, suddenly everybody is an expert on the fact that he won't leave ....ask yourself, wher is the threat of leagal action from Sheffield Utd for unsettling him?, currently there are clearly boardroom issues, it may also include the fact that one of the owners may want a bigger name ...those that think we couldn't get him, may have said the same re hodgson,Kanu (the good one) Gibbs, anelka, foster etc etc

I know it's close season, we should have done better and the bin dippers going up does hurt, but my god I wonder how some on here get through the day
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 07:36:01 PM
This thread is pretty amazing even by our recent miserable and negative standards ..
There are so many points that are being hysterically raised
So for me
Last 6 managers, actually not always the cheapest options, Pardew and Pullis both actually made sense at the time of appointement
The board, someone on her used the word "scum" really?, you don't know them, you have no idea of their moral compass , I'd suggest not one of the board currentbor previous ever deliberately did anything or made decisions to have a negative impact on WBA, if you suggest they do/did I'd be very careful
Next appointment, how funny to see people demanding the board appoint someone that the same posters hadn't even heard of at the start of may.....then accuse the board of not knowing what they are doing and not planning 😂😂
Dean smith, he's done ok with a bunch of losers 😀,maybe he would have been a better option, however he is villa through and through so he probably have jumped ship at some point anyway, the board really had no choice after how DM finished last season, easy for all of us with hindsight...but if we were in charge it would have been hard not to give DM the job
Wilder, suddenly everybody is an expert on the fact that he won't leave ....ask yourself, wher is the threat of leagal action from Sheffield Utd for unsettling him?, currently there are clearly boardroom issues, it may also include the fact that one of the owners may want a bigger name ...those that think we couldn't get him, may have said the same re hodgson,Kanu (the good one) Gibbs, anelka, foster etc etc

I know it's close season, we should have done better and the bin dippers going up does hurt, but my god I wonder how some on here get through the day

Sorry mate Pardew made no sense at all. As for the plan and those including myself criticising it, what is it? what have you seen that suggests they actually have one?

Do you have confidence that this board will make the right decision given that the playing squad needs overhauling or do you expect that the squad will be similar to this season with loans and freebies taking up wages but hardly appearing and re-signing at least 1 of Myhill, Morrison and Barry?
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 01, 2019, 07:40:39 PM
This thread is pretty amazing even by our recent miserable and negative standards ..
There are so many points that are being hysterically raised
So for me
Last 6 managers, actually not always the cheapest options, Pardew and Pullis both actually made sense at the time of appointement
The board, someone on her used the word "scum" really?, you don't know them, you have no idea of their moral compass , I'd suggest not one of the board currentbor previous ever deliberately did anything or made decisions to have a negative impact on WBA, if you suggest they do/did I'd be very careful
Next appointment, how funny to see people demanding the board appoint someone that the same posters hadn't even heard of at the start of may.....then accuse the board of not knowing what they are doing and not planning 😂😂
Dean smith, he's done ok with a bunch of losers 😀,maybe he would have been a better option, however he is villa through and through so he probably have jumped ship at some point anyway, the board really had no choice after how DM finished last season, easy for all of us with hindsight...but if we were in charge it would have been hard not to give DM the job
Wilder, suddenly everybody is an expert on the fact that he won't leave ....ask yourself, wher is the threat of leagal action from Sheffield Utd for unsettling him?, currently there are clearly boardroom issues, it may also include the fact that one of the owners may want a bigger name ...those that think we couldn't get him, may have said the same re hodgson,Kanu (the good one) Gibbs, anelka, foster etc etc

I know it's close season, we should have done better and the bin dippers going up does hurt, but my god I wonder how some on here get through the day

Thank god for that, a voice of reason!
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Post by: zippyandbungle on June 01, 2019, 10:16:10 PM
Sorry mate Pardew made no sense at all. As for the plan and those including myself criticising it, what is it? what have you seen that suggests they actually have one?

Do you have confidence that this board will make the right decision given that the playing squad needs overhauling or do you expect that the squad will be similar to this season with loans and freebies taking up wages but hardly appearing and re-signing at least 1 of Myhill, Morrison and Barry?
At the time I don't recall that many people being anti Pardew and we were looking for exeperibec in the prem with more attacking intent...that was him.

I have supreme confidence that Lai (and therefore the people he employs to advise/support) will want to get us back up, they will be aware that they need to invest in the playing staff and crucially appoint the correct manager ....of course there was and will be loans , clever clubs use them well , but these guys have put money down when we needed too, the wages on Greg and Sturridge were not insignificant and with the players released/Sold we will have significant amounts to reinvest...the fact that we don't shout about spending power should only be viewed as a clever/sensible business move

I cannot think of a single manager that would have been happy to take us on when DM left & stay with us if we didn't go up & be good enough if we had of got up & the fans would have been happy with?
We were in a unique situation and that was just where we were
I think the board will speak to as amany as they think they need too, I'm happy to see what happens based on good business sense with football input, rather than expect them to appoint someone because they do/don't fall in with what Darren from Tipton "expects" because he brought a woolly hat once .
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 10:28:52 PM
At the time I don't recall that many people being anti Pardew and we were looking for exeperibec in the prem with more attacking intent...that was him.

I have supreme confidence that Lai (and therefore the people he employs to advise/support) will want to get us back up, they will be aware that they need to invest in the playing staff and crucially appoint the correct manager ....of course there was and will be loans , clever clubs use them well , but these guys have put money down when we needed too, the wages on Greg and Sturridge were not insignificant and with the players released/Sold we will have significant amounts to reinvest...the fact that we don't shout about spending power should only be viewed as a clever/sensible business move

I cannot think of a single manager that would have been happy to take us on when DM left & stay with us if we didn't go up & be good enough if we had of got up & the fans would have been happy with?
We were in a unique situation and that was just where we were
I think the board will speak to as amany as they think they need too, I'm happy to see what happens based on good business sense with football input, rather than expect them to appoint someone because they do/don't fall in with what Darren from Tipton "expects" because he brought a woolly hat once .

I think there were many people not happy with Pardew being appointed to be honest.

I wish I had your confidence but I don't, previous history especially where Jenkins is concerned make me dubious about it all. Its okay saying they will speak to many but this is not something that happened last week or two weeks ago, this has been dragging on since March. I also think there would have been a few willing to take us on when Moore left given the position we were in as its an attractive proposition and makes a change from taking over clubs that are struggling.

To be honest i'm not bothered about money as we very rarely spend money well when we have a lot to spend but theres a difference between spending wisely and poorly, last year it was spent poorly. The signings of Sako, Hoolhan, Mears, Myhill were all pointless given how often they were used when we have young kids who can sit on a bench to get a nice view of the game. Those wages could have been used to bring in one player who could have made a difference. Who ? no idea thats not my job.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on June 01, 2019, 10:52:16 PM
I think there were many people not happy with Pardew being appointed to be honest.

I wish I had your confidence but I don't, previous history especially where Jenkins is concerned make me dubious about it all. Its okay saying they will speak to many but this is not something that happened last week or two weeks ago, this has been dragging on since March. I also think there would have been a few willing to take us on when Moore left given the position we were in as its an attractive proposition and makes a change from taking over clubs that are struggling.

To be honest i'm not bothered about money as we very rarely spend money well when we have a lot to spend but theres a difference between spending wisely and poorly, last year it was spent poorly. The signings of Sako, Hoolhan, Mears, Myhill were all pointless given how often they were used when we have young kids who can sit on a bench to get a nice view of the game. Those wages could have been used to bring in one player who could have made a difference. Who ? no idea thats not my job.
It hasn't been dragging on since march though mate
As I said , which manager at that point not only was available, would come to us, could get us up, would stay if he didn't , would be good enough if we did?
If we could have attracted a good in, they would have wanted a clause to bail if we didn't go up....we really did have to wait till we knew where we were going to be, I think we appoint this week ....we will be fine
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Post by: KN22 on June 01, 2019, 10:55:41 PM
I’m no fan of Pardew but have always cut him a little slack due to the fact that he followed Pulis, a man who had made the team able to play one way only, a negative way. Pardew tried to change the style and the players were either unable or unwilling to do so.
As for the current situation, it is embarrassing how long it has dragged on for but I choose to believe that the board are trying to appoint a progressive manager, something we have not had since Hodgson in my opinion. Always the optimist I am hoping for the German guy and don’t expect it to be Appleton. We shall see.....
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Post by: albion59 on June 01, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
Can't agree that this mess is all down to one man mate, they all have a part to play. Pulis, Williams, Jenkins, Lai, Dowling the lot, none are solely to blame but none are blameless either and the players can take their share of it as well.
Agree to a certain extent but Pulis started it and he is the only person that I have ever thought about giving up the Albion for my Grandson told me he didn't want to go again why he was in charge and stopped going and as only been up a few times since that's why i despise the bloke.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
It hasn't been dragging on since march though mate
As I said , which manager at that point not only was available, would come to us, could get us up, would stay if he didn't , would be good enough if we did?
If we could have attracted a good in, they would have wanted a clause to bail if we didn't go up....we really did have to wait till we knew where we were going to be, I think we appoint this week ....we will be fine

It has though mate, Moore went in March, do you honestly think the plan was to appoint Shan? If it was then its a disgrace .

I cannot name managers as its a hypothetical question but this is a big club and would be an attractive proposition to many out there, it doesn't always have to be someone out of work, somewhere along the line we have to pay compensation if the one we want is in a job, not all would want to bail for failing to go up but would maybe want some reassurances about their own future. Clubs sack managers at different stages through a season and yeah I do understand that not knowing what division we would be in can affect things as time goes by but when Moore was sacked they should have already had discussions and had someone ready to take over, who knows if that could have pushed us over the line towards automatic promotion, we'll never know one way or the other.



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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2019, 11:06:09 PM
Agree to a certain extent but Pulis started it and he is the only person that I have ever thought about giving up the Albion for my Grandson told me he didn't want to go again why he was in charge and stopped going and as only been up a few times since that's why i despise the bloke.

I don't think Pulis started it, it started when we started appointing the likes of Irvine who was a poor appointment and Pepe Mel who was hardly given a chance despite the rumours of what he did or didn't do around the club, he wasn't allowed to bring his own men in and had to work with the clique that was in place, it was never going to work. It was those kind of appointments that led us to need a strong Pulis type to come in, he did most of the job but stayed around 12 months too long.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 01, 2019, 11:43:47 PM
I don't think Pulis started it, it started when we started appointing the likes of Irvine who was a poor appointment and Pepe Mel who was hardly given a chance despite the rumours of what he did or didn't do around the club, he wasn't allowed to bring his own men in and had to work with the clique that was in place, it was never going to work. It was those kind of appointments that led us to need a strong Pulis type to come in, he did most of the job but stayed around 12 months too long.


Sadly Pulis was the cure not the disease. We wouldn't be in the Championship if we'd stuck with him for another 5 months.
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Post by: Standaman on June 02, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
Where did it all go wrong?

Good question. With a certain amount of hindsight we can all pinpoint the moment we lost Dan Ashworth as a watershed moment.

However I think that was the trigger for Peace to want to sell the club. He lost his most successful manager and his Director of Football to the FA in the space of 12 months and it was also the point where he lost Izzy Brown who at that stage was the most promising academy product for buttons. The disillusionment coincided with peak hubris Peace began to believe that the model he had for running the club was such that it didn't matter which personnel were plugged into it the model was rigorous enough to keep things on an even keel until the club was sold.

Obviously he was wrong but two years of thrashing around with various misguided appointments led us to the ultimate short term fix Pulis. Survival at all costs to get the sale over the line. We haven't recovered and we are now looking at the next manager appointment in the vain hope that they will lead the recovery the chances are they won't.

If we are looking for a saviour then they will be in the Dof office not the dug out.  Yes the Dof is hamstrung by circumstance but if they can push the club down the right path we have a chance but that goes beyond the appointment of the new Head Coach that is merely the start but it could yet prove to be a significant step in the right direction.

I live in hope which is a suburb of desperation.  :(


Sadly Pulis was the cure not the disease. We wouldn't be in the Championship if we'd stuck with him for another 5 months.
The only thing that Pulis was a cure for was insomia and my love of this football club.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 02, 2019, 02:28:33 AM
I strongly disagree.

Who on the list has a better record for us then? Just because you don't like him, it doesn't mean you can rewrite history.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 02, 2019, 04:09:53 AM
I think the biggest issue with finding a new manager is the reputation this club has made for itself in recent years.
Albion are known to remove the manager as soon as a bad spell hits( apart from Pardew), there has been ongoing insinuations of a clique in the dressing room and senior players approaching managers on playing styles if it doesn't suit them.
The owner seems to show little interest in watching games live at the ground so there is a perception that he doesn't care about his investment. None of us know if he watches or doesn't watch the team from abroad at every chance.
If someone said to me do I want to be manager I'd have to ask myself a few questions..

 Its an old team with a lack of speed and very few players I would want to start,can I make upgrades by bringing in new players?
 How big is the budget I have to spend?
 What is the length of my contract and what payoff if I don't see it out?
 How much is my salary and what expectations does the club have in my first season?

I just don't see many managers wanting to deal with our current circumstances and pulling the purse strings in tighter.
Simply said all this media coverage about shortlists is just a waste of time. A cheap appointment will probably be the answer and the team will be mid table at best. I'm sure in 6 or 12 months we'll be looking for another replacement manager



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Post by: WBArgo on June 02, 2019, 08:22:22 AM
I don't know who the next manager is but I'd love us to follow the Brentford moneyball system which seems to make a lot of sense, it's a shame as once we were seen as pioneers of having a modern scouting system which seemed to work well but our scouting has been basic for the past few years.
If we're going to be cheap with signings, we have to be creative about it.
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Post by: KN22 on June 02, 2019, 08:25:12 AM
Who on the list has a better record for us then? Just because you don't like him, it doesn't mean you can rewrite history.

I have no wish to rewrite history and it isn’t about who I like. I love the football club and, in my personal opinion, he strangled the life from it and we have not recovered. A terrible manager, again in my opinion. I also do not agree when people say he would have kept us up had we stuck with him. We were sinking like a stone and he had to go. I cannot forget Huddersfield and Southampton away, both of which I witnessed. Awful...
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Post by: Standaman on June 02, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
I think the biggest issue with finding a new manager is the reputation this club has made for itself in recent years.
Albion are known to remove the manager as soon as a bad spell hits( apart from Pardew), there has been ongoing insinuations of a clique in the dressing room and senior players approaching managers on playing styles if it doesn't suit them.
The owner seems to show little interest in watching games live at the ground so there is a perception that he doesn't care about his investment. None of us know if he watches or doesn't watch the team from abroad at every chance.
If someone said to me do I want to be manager I'd have to ask myself a few questions..

 Its an old team with a lack of speed and very few players I would want to start,can I make upgrades by bringing in new players?
 How big is the budget I have to spend?
 What is the length of my contract and what payoff if I don't see it out?
 How much is my salary and what expectations does the club have in my first season?

I just don't see many managers wanting to deal with our current circumstances and pulling the purse strings in tighter.
Simply said all this media coverage about shortlists is just a waste of time. A cheap appointment will probably be the answer and the team will be mid table at best. I'm sure in 6 or 12 months we'll be looking for another replacement manager

An absentee owner is not the worst thing from a Head Coach's point of view (and remember Sheik Mansour does not attend Man City games) an overly active interfering one is probably a bigger headache. Providing the local management have sufficient authority to run the club on a day to day basis the Head Coach does not need to have anything much to do with the owner.

The bigger issue is the firing of Darren Moore when the team was in fourth place which was certainly with the realms of reasonable expectations. Personally if I were a coach currently in work I would be a little reluctant to take us on, but if I were out of work provided I could get a reasonable contract what have I got to lose? If the club has a reputation for being trigger happy being sacked by us does not damage my reputation because the outside world goes "It's West Brom they're like that"

Remember if we sack them they are not a cheap option because the cost can as much as treble. The original hires pay plus the replacements pay, if you are really trigger happy you can be paying 3 managers wages at the same time.
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Post by: Blowee on June 02, 2019, 08:51:12 AM
As we hit Day 83 in the quest for a new manager - could there be a new reality TV series in this. Perhaps in the style of the Apprentice or a Big Brother style house?
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Post by: AlbionBest on June 02, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
All a bit of a yawn at the moment.
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Post by: gerry m on June 02, 2019, 11:46:44 AM
The person who will work will for the money the Board want to pay will get the job simple as that!.
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Post by: victor mature on June 02, 2019, 02:11:55 PM
With respect to Darren Moore, it feels like we have been looking for a replacement manager/coach since Pulis or even Clarke. If they are targetting managers on the limited criteria of promotion to the Premier with Wilder, then the only other credible choices are Pearson and Hughton. Hughton reportedly wants a break and Pearson is a maverick. I wanted Dean Smith last year who I don't think had a promotion on his CV but now he does. Conclusion: appoint someone who builds teams /will stick around/ is comfortable with the media/doesn't rock the boat/will take the job knowing the limitations. Might risk Pearson

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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 02, 2019, 02:18:17 PM
Our board are probably looking at a bloke called Fred Everiss.
They are so desparate and clueless.
Edit....
I am unfortunately feeling down with this board and it possibly comes across in all my postings about games, matches, ideas and such stuff.
They are old duffers in new clothing.
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Post by: BalisPen on June 02, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Luke Dowling needs to pull his finger out and earn his corn as this is beyond ridiculous and to allow wilder's name to be linked to us is amateurish, as anyone with an iota idea about knows he's spent his entire managerial career to get the prem and now he's done it with the team he supports he's going leave for us.

It's very patronising in fact.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 02, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
Our management is an effing joke and the whole of the EFL knows it too.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 02, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
With respect to Darren Moore, it feels like we have been looking for a replacement manager/coach since Pulis or even Clarke. If they are targetting managers on the limited criteria of promotion to the Premier with Wilder, then the only other credible choices are Pearson and Hughton. Hughton reportedly wants a break and Pearson is a maverick. I wanted Dean Smith last year who I don't think had a promotion on his CV but now he does. Conclusion: appoint someone who builds teams /will stick around/ is comfortable with the media/doesn't rock the boat/will take the job knowing the limitations. Might risk Pearson

I’ve felt all along that we could do a lot worse than Pearson.
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Post by: royhan on June 02, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
I’ve felt all along that we could do a lot worse than Pearson.


Pearson would be a good shout but I feel he would be too strong a personality for the hierarchy. They'll want a yes man, which Pearson isn't.
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Post by: GrGr on June 02, 2019, 05:11:18 PM

Pearson would be a good shout but I feel he would be too strong a personality for the hierarchy. They'll want a yes man, which Pearson isn't.

We have Pulis as a recent reminder of what happens when a 'strong' personality runs all over management.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 02, 2019, 05:34:19 PM
Personally, I think any Manager / Head Coach has to be his own man and fight his corner and the same goes for the owner and the board.

The whole concept of our society is based on compromise, if it's becomes a one way street it has more chance of failing than if it is a two way street.
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Post by: seteefeet on June 02, 2019, 05:53:23 PM

Sadly Pulis was the cure not the disease. We wouldn't be in the Championship if we'd stuck with him for another 5 months.
He's available, would you be happy to give him another go?
I would rather stick wasps in my eyes but it's all about opinions.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 02, 2019, 07:00:44 PM
We have Pulis as a recent reminder of what happens when a 'strong' personality runs all over management.

Although if we get a manager with a weak personality the players get to rule the roost.  Can’t have it both ways.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 02, 2019, 07:03:55 PM
He's available, would you be happy to give him another go?
I would rather stick wasps in my eyes but it's all about opinions.

I’d rather eat my own kidney.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on June 02, 2019, 07:23:22 PM
I’d rather eat my own kidney.
With fava beans and a nice Chianti?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 02, 2019, 07:48:57 PM
With fava beans and a nice Chianti?
That's liver, you eat Kidney with kidney beans and Merlot.
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 02, 2019, 08:10:39 PM
pulis failed at boro last season he outlived his welcome the first time by 18 months we're still saddled with rubbish he signed like burke. He comes back and that me done Trouble is I can see this board with its unending fckwittery appointing him. Day 83 12 weeks this is a micky take
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Post by: baggie_liam on June 02, 2019, 08:14:34 PM

Sadly Pulis was the cure not the disease. We wouldn't be in the Championship if we'd stuck with him for another 5 months.

Yes we would, the only difference would have been, was we’d have been relegated sooner that season than we already were. Players performances were near on pathetic, they’d given up on him..
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 02, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
Yes we would, the only difference would have been, was we’d have been relegated sooner that season than we already were. Players performances were near on pathetic, they’d given up on him..

Agreed. I cannot believe, even in the very wildest of jests, we can mention Pulis' name on here.
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Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 02, 2019, 09:34:58 PM
Agreed. I cannot believe, even in the very wildest of jests, we can mention Pulis' name on here.

Unpopular opinion but I’d have stuck with Pardew. We were going down last season regardless and to be fair to him they weren’t his group of players. I would have given him last summer to rebuild HIS squad, so we are basically in the same position now to where we were then. You don’t become a bad coach overnight and he had quite a bit of success previously at much bigger clubs than ours.

We needed an experienced manager this season and Pardews football isn’t anywhere nearly as bad as what’s served up under Pullis.

Big Dave stringing a few wins together at the end of last year blinded the judgement of the hierarchy then just over half a season later they discovered he was out of his depth.

Biggest problem for Pardew was the senior pros refusing to adapt to what we wanted them to do and the same happened with Pepe Mel when he got hounded out.

Brand new managerial team next season and hopefully a completely different sent of players.


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Post by: caravanc58 on June 02, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
Pulis served his purposes, kept us in the premiership and enabled Peace to get his golden ticket. anyone's guess if we'd have got relegated if the club hadn't sacked him. he was a short term cure but created a long term problem.
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Post by: jimmyj on June 02, 2019, 09:49:13 PM
Both Pulis and Pardew wanted out themselves at the end of their tenures. Sticking with either of them was not an option. They'd both lost the dressing room.

Anyways, regarding new managers. Nothing new since the laughable Wilder stories. Hoping for some positive news next week..
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Post by: Adamstv on June 02, 2019, 10:46:31 PM
Both Pulis and Pardew wanted out themselves at the end of their tenures. Sticking with either of them was not an option. They'd both lost the dressing room.

Anyways, regarding new managers. Nothing new since the laughable Wilder stories. Hoping for some positive news next week..

Give it until 1st July 
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Post by: kc56wba on June 02, 2019, 10:57:31 PM
Give it until 1st July
What year  ;D
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 02, 2019, 11:18:19 PM
I haven't been on here for quite a while now but need some council from fellow supporters of the club we all love, I can honestly say I didn't think it was possible to run the club any worse than Wiliams did during his time but I think Jenkins is having a dam good try.
I Hate myself for even thinking we will get a decent manager and then when we appoint another Alan Irvine spend the next few months in a vile mood, wish I didn't care but we all know that is impossible.
For what it is worth my opinion is we should go for Cowley, if the money is as tight as we think Pearson would come for Peanuts at the moment and do a good job, But I fear it will be Appleton and possible Shakespear. I do hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 03, 2019, 12:39:53 AM
If they don't sort this properly I'm very very close to dropping out for a while.

Sorry, I feel some shame in that but if football is more about business - and business run badly - they can F right off.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 03, 2019, 12:40:47 AM
taking a look on transfermarkt and I found out that Eduardo Coudet only has 6 months left on his contract and is apparently playing silly buggers with Racing Club. I take a passing interest in the Primera Liga And they've have had a decent run this season and I can't think of a time I've seen a outright bad Coudet team.

Their attacking is fluid and team orientated. pass through the opposition or catch them on the break rather than individual brilliance or relying on crosses, very german in a way. see linky for what I mean, I know it's the Primera and not the greatest quality overall but these are some decent teams they are scoring against, defensively they have been strong as well, preferring to hold from the front rather than sit back as they rely on Lisandro Lopez as one of the main strikers, a man whose currently 36!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/CDEOGC8xQqo

also a tactice article if you want to have a read
https://golazoargentino.com/2018/03/29/chacho-coudets-racing-the-birth-of-a-superliga-modern-classic/

Probably nowhere near what we are looking at or even looking for, but worth a cursory glance and I think he's on for a decent career.

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Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 03, 2019, 07:57:04 AM
Give it until 1st July

Transfer window closes on August 8th giving new manager barely any time to see what he needs followed by a scartergun last minute rush job for players.

Think there is a few ways this can pan out.
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Post by: NJS on June 03, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
Somebody in the thread above said that we should have stuck with Pardew.  Looking at his history if, by some remote chance, he had got us out of the Championship he would have taken the first offer out of the Albion for a bigger club - his ambition is far, far greater than his talent and he has no emotional connection with WBA.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 03, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
Somebody in the thread above said that we should have stuck with Pardew.  Looking at his history if, by some remote chance, he had got us out of the Championship he would have taken the first offer out of the Albion for a bigger club - his ambition is far, far greater than his talent and he has no emotional connection with WBA.

who ever said stick with pardew seriously needs mental help.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on June 03, 2019, 11:51:17 AM
I'm expecting the announcement of our new head coach this week.

Am I being stupid?
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 03, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
I'm expecting the announcement of our new head coach this week.

Am I being stupid?

What a stupid question.  8)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on June 03, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
I see that Thierry Henry is now second favourite with the bookies to take charge of Swansea. His record as a coach so far is far from impressive so I hope he doesn't get linked with our job too. No doubt his agent is working overtime trying to find him a new job after he was sacked by Monaco.
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Post by: seteefeet on June 03, 2019, 12:18:45 PM
I see that Thierry Henry is now second favourite with the bookies to take charge of Swansea. His record as a coach so far is far from impressive so I hope he doesn't get linked with our job too. No doubt his agent is working overtime trying to find him a new job after he was sacked by Monaco.
I think that would be a good appointment for us (if he was to go to Swansea) as it takes him off our radar and weakens them further. He's a good pundit but don't think he'll be a great success as a manager.
If Potter had stayed I would have fancied Swansea next season but they are a further step back now he has gone. A bit like us with Moore, they have technically wasted a year.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 03, 2019, 12:46:21 PM
As long as we have somebody in place by June 23rd when the players come back, its fine with me. Might aswell save on 2 weeks wages if the club's closed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 03, 2019, 02:04:12 PM
I see the farce continues.

The links to Wilder are laughable.

He's going to use this as leverage to get himself a new deal and satisfy himself long term as the boardroom fiasco continues in the back ground.

Reminiscent of Alex Neil..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 03, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
Been on holiday for a week and apart from keeping an eye on the two finals I avoided all football. I'll hazard a guess that we're no closer to appointing a manager than I am about to go up to space?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on June 03, 2019, 03:16:11 PM
Been on holiday for a week and apart from keeping an eye on the two finals I avoided all football. I'll hazard a guess that we're no closer to appointing a manager than I am about to go up to space?
Depends if you have been measured for your helmet yet !!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gerry m on June 03, 2019, 04:12:34 PM
I see the farce continues.

The links to Wilder are laughable.

He's going to use this as leverage to get himself a new deal and satisfy himself long term as the boardroom fiasco continues in the back ground.

Reminiscent of Alex Neil..

My thoughts exactly Liam. Also would Wilder not have earned a nice big bonus for getting Utd into the Premier League?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on June 03, 2019, 07:20:47 PM
Well, the list is further diminished

Former West Brom and Aston Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is the short-priced favourite to take over at Kilmarnock.

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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 03, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
Well, the list is further diminished

Former West Brom and Aston Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is the short-priced favourite to take over at Kilmarnock.

I'm devastated  ;D


Wait, we have a list? I thought it was just a bunch of journalists throwing names out left right and centre.

Sorry, this silence from the Hawthorns is now killing me.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: sayer3 on June 03, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
The perce has spoken

Hughton will meet them in the next few days. Labbadia looking less likely as it stands. One other of interest (not Wilder, Monk, Cowley or Jokanovic) #wba
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 03, 2019, 08:54:02 PM
The perce has spoken

Hughton will meet them in the next few days. Labbadia looking less likely as it stands. One other of interest (not Wilder, Monk, Cowley or Jokanovic) #wba

Oh well, what can we poor mortals do? The gods in their ivory towers know more than us.
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Post by: wbawill on June 03, 2019, 09:04:34 PM
The perce has spoken

Hughton will meet them in the next few days. Labbadia looking less likely as it stands. One other of interest (not Wilder, Monk, Cowley or Jokanovic) #wba

Hughton is the safe, boring option. He won't do awfully, but likely won't do particularly well. I'm disappointed if Labbadia is looking less likely as I really wanted to avoid the stepping back onto the same managerial merry-go-round that has failed us previously.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on June 03, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
3rd one is Appleton I'm guessing if it's none of the others.

Can't see them going for Pearson it would be a nonstop battle.
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Post by: lewisant on June 03, 2019, 09:09:27 PM
Hughton would be a good appointment to be honest. Not as exciting as a progressive Labbadia and potentially not suited to a rebuild. We’ll see I guess.

Still hoping for Labbadia or somebody of that ilk.
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Post by: telford baggie on June 03, 2019, 09:09:44 PM
3rd one is Appleton I'm guessing if it's none of the others.
if they appoint appleton the club deserves everything that they get...would be a joke appointment
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on June 03, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
Hughton is the safe, boring option. He won't do awfully, but likely won't do particularly well. I'm disappointed if Labbadia is looking less likely as I really wanted to avoid the stepping back onto the same managerial merry-go-round that has failed us previously.

I kind of agree, but in fairness he has an very good record in getting teams promoted from the Championship with Newcastle and Brighton. Newcastle was fairly easy with the talent he had whereas he changed Brighton massively after Hyypia. He even got Birmingham to the play-offs when they were starting to falter with turmoil behind the scenes, so overall his Championship record is solid.

However, in terms of playing style he is similar to that of Pulis so don't expect champagne football. I don't know how well he does with re-building teams either and doesn't strike me as playing younger plays...which goes completely against what Jenkins said in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on June 03, 2019, 09:15:14 PM
I think we need a Pearson character to give the club a good shake up
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on June 03, 2019, 09:21:59 PM
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if the unknown one is Nigel Adkins . Still hasn’t signed new contract at Hull maybe he’s waiting for a better offer .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kris_boing on June 03, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
Still hoping for Pearson and Shakespeare. Expecting Appleton and Shan.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on June 03, 2019, 09:35:35 PM
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if the unknown one is Nigel Adkins . Still hasn’t signed new contract at Hull maybe he’s waiting for a better offer .

I always rated him.  Seemed very harsh when Saints replaced him with Pochettino but it turned out to be an inspired move.

Again, like Pearson, he wouldn’t be the worst option at all.  Might even be able to land us Grosicki and Bowen !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 03, 2019, 09:36:28 PM
I for one will be extremely disappointed if it is Hughton. A few years ago yes, but I feel he is just another safe uninspiring British/Irish manager off the merry go round. Secondly, if it’s him, JRod will definitely be leaving, which I guess will please some. Thirdly, did Hughton not imply our support was racist after the cup game for booing bong, he was certainly not very complimentary about us, will he apologise?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 03, 2019, 09:37:41 PM
Its all been very quiet concerning Appleton, no "thanks for your help" or "nice to help out" comments, he could well be in the job now for all they tell us.
Hope I'm wrong, but haven't we been here before?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on June 03, 2019, 09:40:10 PM
I for one will be extremely disappointed if it is Hughton. A few years ago yes, but I feel he is just another safe uninspiring British/Irish manager off the merry go round. Secondly, if it’s him, JRod will definitely be leaving, which I guess will please some. Thirdly, did Hughton not imply our support was racist after the cup game for booing bong, he was certainly not very complimentary about us, will he apologise?

He was doing nothing more than defending his own player, which any manager would do.  What else could he have done, without calling his own player a liar?

And J-Rod will be leaving regardless!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on June 03, 2019, 09:46:59 PM
John Percy says it is unlikely that Labbadia will be taking over at The Hawthorns. He has also ruled out Wilder, Monk, Cowley and Jokanovic. He says we will be meeting Hughton this week but says there is another candidate in the frame, not named.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: 17GD on June 03, 2019, 09:52:09 PM
Sam Allardyce, Claude Puel, Mark Hughes, David Moyes, Slaven Bilic, Luis Garcia, Chris Hughton, Gary Rowett, Gus Poyet, Aitor Karanka, Brian McDermott... And about 200 other managers unemployed (some for a reason, I admit) but I find it hard to believe that we're struggling to get a coach in. Obviously money is the biggest issue here. But still being managerless in June, when theyve had months to sort it is a joke.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on June 03, 2019, 09:54:38 PM
I'm at the stage now where I don't believe anything that is written by any journalist. Every other day some rumour or other crops up.

Someone wake me up when Albion finally make an announcement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 03, 2019, 10:00:37 PM
Read a good article in the mail tonight by Gregg Evans, Comparing us to Norwich 2 years ago after they failed to go back up the first time of asking.
Reading it has given me a bit of "hope", but thats what kill you.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 03, 2019, 10:01:03 PM
He was doing nothing more than defending his own player, which any manager would do.  What else could he have done, without calling his own player a liar?

And J-Rod will be leaving regardless!

I understand him defending his player, but he no more knows what happened than you or I. Yes, he couldn’t call his player a liar but he was happy to call or imply that JRod was  a liar and a racist. However, the main issue for me is his attitude and comments about our fans after the cup game.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on June 03, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
John Percy says it is unlikely that Labbadia will be taking over at The Hawthorns. He has also ruled out Wilder, Monk, Cowley and Jokanovic. He says we will be meeting Hughton this week but says there is another candidate in the frame, not named.
If that is true, it doesn't leave much to get excited about, unless there is some left field candidate to appear from the shadows (not likely)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 03, 2019, 10:10:14 PM
Bored with it all now.
Nothing we can do to influence a board determined to spend as little as they can.
Hope they prove me wrong but not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 03, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
I will be surprised if its a manager who is currently working, because of compensation, and thats probably why we've spoken to labbadia, Hughton and even Jokanovic. surprise name in the frame Pearson?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on June 03, 2019, 10:21:11 PM
Percy always seems well informed but Hughton was reportedly ruled out because he wanted to take a break from the game. However I have long maintained that Hughton was the most likely candidate and at a stroke of Percy's  pen it seems all other pretenders have been set aside, bar one. The man with no name maybe we are getting Clint Eastwood would certainly make traning a bit interesting. "Well do you feel lucky punk?"
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on June 03, 2019, 10:32:21 PM
Percy always seems well informed but Hughton was reportedly ruled out because he wanted to take a break from the game. However I have long maintained that Hughton was the most likely candidate and at a stroke of Percy's  pen it seems all other pretenders have been set aside, bar one. The man with no name maybe we are getting Clint Eastwood would certainly make traning a bit interesting. "Well do you feel lucky punk?"

Hughton was rumoured to be holding for a PL job, and maybe something was a possibility at that time, but if that route is now closed we are quite probably the most appealing option out there for him.

Daniel Steindel or Nigel Adkins could well be the unnamed candidate, equally Pearson or Shakespeare.   All are plausible.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on June 03, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
John Percy says it is unlikely that Labbadia will be taking over at The Hawthorns. He has also ruled out Wilder, Monk, Cowley and Jokanovic. He says we will be meeting Hughton this week but says there is another candidate in the frame, not named.

That will be Appleton then.....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 03, 2019, 11:30:50 PM
Sam Allardyce, Claude Puel, Mark Hughes, David Moyes, Slaven Bilic, Luis Garcia, Chris Hughton, Gary Rowett, Gus Poyet, Aitor Karanka, Brian McDermott... And about 200 other managers unemployed (some for a reason, I admit) but I find it hard to believe that we're struggling to get a coach in. Obviously money is the biggest issue here. But still being managerless in June, when theyve had months to sort it is a joke.
Yow forgot the special one 😉
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: caravanc58 on June 03, 2019, 11:55:33 PM
The media probably know more about who we'll appoint than the board.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on June 04, 2019, 12:20:43 AM
At this moment in time Pearson seems a very good choice, in the past i wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole, but he is generally interested in the job.
We could do much worse.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2019, 06:25:57 AM
At this moment in time Pearson seems a very good choice, in the past i wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole, but he is generally interested in the job.
We could do much worse.

I've hoped from day one that the board would appoint Pearson.
No nonsense straight talking, he's the boss and the players are the players.
Maybe too straight talking for this board and the Chinese ownership.
Be prepared to be underwhelmed.
If it is Hughton it can't do his ego a lot of good not being the first choice and being the cheapest option.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on June 04, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
So well after Dowlingfs initial time scale for an appointment we are still to talk to some of the people said to be front runners for the job !!?? This board have had since DM"s sacking to have prep done shortlists ready , only need to add those who become available later on. Due diligence ? NO ,incompetence ? YES. Grave doubts as to whether this board could run a bath let alone a professional football club !!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2019, 07:04:57 AM
If it is to be Hughton how long before Glen Murray signs?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on June 04, 2019, 08:08:29 AM
Well they can’t talk to those currently in a job without their current club’s permission.  Of the others, Hughton was only sacked in early May so wasn’t available when DM was sacked.  Jokanovic was only affordable if we had gone up.

It’s not as easy as you make out.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on June 04, 2019, 08:58:14 AM
If we were holding out for someone who fits our specific blueprint of how we take the team forward, I would be happy to wait. Sadly, I don't think anyone can argue a case for that, based on the candidates, they are just too different in terms of style, experience, attitude etc. All lends itself to the theory that we are indeed being run by the incompetent accountant. Nothing Dowling has said suggests he's anything more than a junior manager.
Been a shambles since Moore was sacked. No plan then, no plan now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on June 04, 2019, 09:32:33 AM
I’m intrigued by what you think Dowling could say.  There’s no manager yet, and we haven’t sold any players yet, so is he supposed to (a) go out and sign players that the new manager may neither need nor want, and (b) spend money without knowing how much we can afford to spend if no players are sold?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on June 04, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
I'm starting to think that because it seems the board have little idea how to run us well, maybe a more experienced, conservative coach is the best way (e.g. Hughton). Maybe not ideal for everyone for entertainment reasons but we could argue a more experienced head coach would have got us closer to promotion this year in spite of Jenkins and Dowling. I still think out of the candidates Hughton is the strongest based on two promotions and having to sustain/ rebuild older teams. Wilder's link was (I think) maybe a cynical attempt to show we're 'pulling out the stops'. Jokanovic would've (maybe should've) been appointed in March. I dont' think the other name is Appleton. I wouldn't rule out Neil who they were apparently very keen on (I know).
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on June 04, 2019, 09:41:31 AM
I'm starting to think that because it seems the board have little idea how to run us well, maybe a more experienced, conservative coach is the best way (e.g. Hughton). Maybe not ideal for everyone for entertainment reasons but we could argue a more experienced head coach would have got us closer to promotion this year in spite of Jenkins and Dowling. I still think out of the candidates Hughton is the strongest based on two promotions and having to sustain/ rebuild older teams. Wilder's link was (I think) maybe a cynical attempt to show we're 'pulling out the stops'. Jokanovic would've (maybe should've) been appointed in March. I dont' think the other name is Appleton. I wouldn't rule out Neil who they were apparently very keen on (I know).

That Kind of common sense talk is not welcome around these parts!

You make very good points and i tend to be swaying towards Hughton based on what you are saying here.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Throstletown on June 04, 2019, 10:12:53 AM
If and only an if we did appoint CH as our next manager what will talk pooh think of that especially Durham.
We need a strong manager with a back bone who can guide all aspects of our club with confidence to make sure within our limits the right staff are recruited for the upcoming season with all it's twists and turns.
I don't mind them taking there time I just want them to get the best we can afford and then support them 100%
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on June 04, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
If and only an if we did appoint CH as our next manager what will talk S***e think of that especially Durham.
We need a strong manager with a back bone who can guide all aspects of our club with confidence to make sure within our limits the right staff are recruited for the upcoming season with all it's twists and turns.
I don't mind them taking there time I just want them to get the best we can afford and then support them 100%

'Boring, safe appointment by a club wanting to be seen as politically correct following a needless sacking. Where's the imagination? The originality? The ambition? Just another dinosaur blocking the pathway for young progressive coaches.......' ad nauseam. W@nker.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on June 04, 2019, 10:33:39 AM
One name usually mentioned who doesnt seem to of been this time is Derek McInnes.

He is usually linked with the job and it does seem from previous info he has been close and does want to manage us at some stage.

I think because he was a fans favourite (may be seen as somebody who can connect to the fans), he does have experience (ie - not Darren Moore, something which was held against him) and he has experienced good and bad spells in management (and seems to of learnt), he may be the type the board are looking for.

I dont think they will go with a foreign coach (Labbadia) and i dont think they will go with a relative novice (Cowley) and as proven as Hughton is i think his wage demands may be more than we want as he is a recent successful premier league manager (kept Brighton up and got to a FA Cup semi final) plus although a good steady appointment i dont he would be an exciting appointment to get fans onside again (we lost a lot of faith with the Darren Moore sacking and the lack of plan after)

I think McInnes (or that type) would be cheaper, hungrier and possibly initially have that instant bond to get fans back on side, he is still fairly young and he only has one blot on his CV which was his Bristol City spell (i know there was talk he got stitched up)

It would seem with Rangers re-emergence and Celtics domination that he has taken Aberdeen as far as he can and as stated above there always seems to be that talk of him coming here and his previous comments (not this time around) seem to recall suggesting he would want to manage here.

I am not saying i would want him and i dont know if he would be right for the job, personally i dont care if the coach is foreign or novice, just whoever is the best but i would be surprised if our board havent considered him.

I am not ITK or anything but i do know from talking to a senior member of the club end of last week they are fully aware of how p****d off the fan base is due to the manager situation the last few months and they know they have to get this appointment right. He couldnt give too much away but he did say the board believed the fans would be pleased with the appointment which made me think they have a clear target in mind, though that could just be the way i interpreted it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: albion59 on June 04, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
I would drive to Aberdeen to bring Mcinnes back to the Albion. A born leader and winner and wouldn't take no c!@p off anyone.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on June 04, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
Well they can’t talk to those currently in a job without their current club’s permission.  Of the others, Hughton was only sacked in early May so wasn’t available when DM was sacked.  Jokanovic was only affordable if we had gone up.

It’s not as easy as you make out.
You are just making (poor) excuses. Have a think about how Brighton went about replacing their manager, and then see if your comments still apply. It's not so difficult if you have a plan and some competence.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on June 04, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
'Boring, safe appointment by a club wanting to be seen as politically correct following a needless sacking. Where's the imagination? The originality? The ambition? Just another dinosaur blocking the pathway for young progressive coaches.......' ad nauseam. W@nker.
To be fair, if they said this, they would be quite right.
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Post by: SmethDan on June 04, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
To be fair, if they said this, they would be quite right.

Maybe, maybe not. But whatever the pros and cons of appointing Chris Hughton I'm quietly confident which side of the equation his focus would centre on. And I very much doubt it would be on his track record at this level. Agenda driven toss off......
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on June 04, 2019, 10:57:36 AM
That Kind of common sense talk is not welcome around these parts!

You make very good points and i tend to be swaying towards Hughton based on what you are saying here.

Thanks mate - I'm more ground down to accept a more pragmatic approach I guess! A couple of weeks ago I hoped for a revolution in our approach but now realise we probably don't the leadership to see this through properly so a more careful approach would probably be better............
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on June 04, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
I’m intrigued by what you think Dowling could say.  There’s no manager yet, and we haven’t sold any players yet, so is he supposed to (a) go out and sign players that the new manager may neither need nor want, and (b) spend money without knowing how much we can afford to spend if no players are sold?
As I said, I would like him to give us his vision of how he wants us to progress and what sort of manager we are looking at. If he did that, as I said, I wouldn't mind the wait. As it is though, our approach is so scattergun, my view is that it is guided only by money, therefore Dowling holds little sway and the club has no real blueprint of how we move forward in terms of actual football.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on June 04, 2019, 11:04:05 AM
I would drive to Aberdeen to bring Mcinnes back to the Albion. A born leader and winner and wouldn't take no c!@p off anyone.
I would pay your petrol and ride shotgun.  Bit dodgy up them there Scottish lands.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on June 04, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
That Kind of common sense talk is not welcome around these parts!

You make very good points and i tend to be swaying towards Hughton based on what you are saying here.
Careful what you wish for.
There is another "more experienced", "conservative" manager lurking in the shadows. :o
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on June 04, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
Let's hope we appoint a manager for his ability as a manager and not to prove a point to Durham.
We appointed Moore not because of his experience or ability. or even because he was cheap and available, we appointed him to stop the likes of Jason Roberts, Ian Wright and Sol Campbell accusing us of being racist after a string of great results. Results though that caught top teams out because they believed we were dead and buried and given up the ghost.
We all knew the pressure and expectancy of the fans and the board would prove too much for such a novice, but we did it to appease the above, who accused us of being racist anyway when we sacked him because he wasn't up to the job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
So well after Dowlingfs initial time scale for an appointment we are still to talk to some of the people said to be front runners for the job !!?? This board have had since DM"s sacking to have prep done shortlists ready , only need to add those who become available later on. Due diligence ? NO ,incompetence ? YES. Grave doubts as to whether this board could run a bath let alone a professional football club !!

The nonsense is that by adding people as they become available in an environment with as high a churn rate as football means you never conclude the process.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on June 04, 2019, 12:20:40 PM
Matt Wilson just put up a new article saying Labbaddia interest cooled but not due to wages. He also says Hughton too expensive and they are interested in 2 others not named.

All the gaffers from Warley FA Sunday League sat by the phones waiting.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on June 04, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
Let's hope we appoint a manager for his ability as a manager and not to prove a point to Durham.
We appointed Moore not because of his experience or ability. or even because he was cheap and available, we appointed him to stop the likes of Jason Roberts, Ian Wright and Sol Campbell accusing us of being racist after a string of great results. Results though that caught top teams out because they believed we were dead and buried and given up the ghost.
We all knew the pressure and expectancy of the fans and the board would prove too much for such a novice, but we did it to appease the above, who accused us of being racist anyway when we sacked him because he wasn't up to the job.

I genuinely do not want to start an argument but find it very difficult to believe that these were the reasons we appointed DM. I fully accept the reasons we managed the good results though, and the fact he wasn't up to the job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on June 04, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
Bookies favourite Micky Melon has been ruled out of the running for the Swansea manager's job. Could the Tranmere manager - an ex Albion favourite - be heading our way? I doubt it. His contract runs until May 2021. I doubt if we'll pay compensation for a comparative novice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 04, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
This is all a bit of a farce now? I think we still would have made the play offs had we kept Moore. Had we bought in a highly financially incentivised experienced manager we may well have gone up.
The only crumb of comfort is that we rushed into Pardew and look what happened but we do make it so hard for ourselves. Dan Asworth would be my first call for advice had he not gone to the other Albion.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 04, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
What a mystery this club is.  We seem to be able to fall in between all the models and perceived wisdom of the football world, The 'too late' sacking of Pardew and the 'too late' appointment of Moore's successor have cost us relegation and promotion in successive seasons.  (Or maybe Moore was sacked too early?)  The complete lack of the ability to made a fully rounded decision, ideally at the right time, in order to implement a strategy just continues to shock me. 

The fact that the head coach's role is still empty at this point is another poor decision.  They may appoint the right man, but will he have enought time, finances and resources to implement the changes they need to bring success? Whoever comes in needs to do a massive recruitment job, which needs to be strategically thought through and planned.  No doubt there will be more out goings (on top of the 11 we already need to replace).  Will the club, even, pay for new players while we're waiting for inevitable sales?  If we want the best prices we have to hold out until close to when the window closes, but we can't aford to wait that long for many replacements.

Jenkins USP was a safe pair of hands - so far he's cost Lai £100m for a relegation and a minimum total of £170m for a promotion.  OK, none of this was guaranteed, but, with every decision, he's made it as unlikely as possible.  (And I'm sure Lai must have endorsed his CEO's decisions, but the question marks must be getting bigger every time.)  Dowling is on thin ice too.
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on June 04, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
As I've said before, we are happy to give god awful players 50k a year, but wont put our hands in our pockets for a potentially good manager. Our board clearly don't rate managers as leaders. Heres a suggestion - Get rid of Dowling and Jenkins, and use the money on hiring a decent manager. Joke Club, Joke Board, Joke Owner - Back to the 1980's again !!! Bobby Gould anyone??
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Post by: Blowee on June 04, 2019, 01:55:30 PM
Matt Wilson just put up a new article saying Labbaddia interest cooled but not due to wages. He also says Hughton too expensive and they are interested in 2 others not named.

All the gaffers from Warley FA Sunday League sat by the phones waiting.
Gary Hackett and his team are free having left Stourbridge!
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Post by: NJS on June 04, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
Let's hope we appoint a manager for his ability as a manager and not to prove a point to Durham.
We appointed Moore not because of his experience or ability. or even because he was cheap and available, we appointed him to stop the likes of Jason Roberts, Ian Wright and Sol Campbell accusing us of being racist after a string of great results. Results though that caught top teams out because they believed we were dead and buried and given up the ghost.
We all knew the pressure and expectancy of the fans and the board would prove too much for such a novice, but we did it to appease the above, who accused us of being racist anyway when we sacked him because he wasn't up to the job.

I think that there might be a little bit of truth in this but what was bad PR was to sack him when we were 4th in the league.  We're still getting flack for that.  The only good exit would have been to let Big Dave stay as manager until the end of the season.  From his inability to react to in-game situations and refusal to substitute tiring senior players I don't believe we would have gone up but you never know and let's face it we would probably be no worse off than we are now but smelling more of roses.  At least we could say that we gave him a fair crack and we could then move on without the reputation of a knee-jerk hire/fire club - which does tend to put prospective managers off.
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Post by: Foster#1 on June 04, 2019, 02:21:57 PM
Gary Hackett and his team are free having left Stourbridge!

My pal ash has just got his first management job at Worcester. He will get an interview way we're going
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Post by: Dexy on June 04, 2019, 02:32:35 PM
One name usually mentioned who doesnt seem to of been this time is Derek McInnes.

He is usually linked with the job and it does seem from previous info he has been close and does want to manage us at some stage.

I think because he was a fans favourite (may be seen as somebody who can connect to the fans), he does have experience (ie - not Darren Moore, something which was held against him) and he has experienced good and bad spells in management (and seems to of learnt), he may be the type the board are looking for.

I dont think they will go with a foreign coach (Labbadia) and i dont think they will go with a relative novice (Cowley) and as proven as Hughton is i think his wage demands may be more than we want as he is a recent successful premier league manager (kept Brighton up and got to a FA Cup semi final) plus although a good steady appointment i dont he would be an exciting appointment to get fans onside again (we lost a lot of faith with the Darren Moore sacking and the lack of plan after)

I think McInnes (or that type) would be cheaper, hungrier and possibly initially have that instant bond to get fans back on side, he is still fairly young and he only has one blot on his CV which was his Bristol City spell (i know there was talk he got stitched up)

It would seem with Rangers re-emergence and Celtics domination that he has taken Aberdeen as far as he can and as stated above there always seems to be that talk of him coming here and his previous comments (not this time around) seem to recall suggesting he would want to manage here.

I am not saying i would want him and i dont know if he would be right for the job, personally i dont care if the coach is foreign or novice, just whoever is the best but i would be surprised if our board havent considered him.

I am not ITK or anything but i do know from talking to a senior member of the club end of last week they are fully aware of how p****d off the fan base is due to the manager situation the last few months and they know they have to get this appointment right. He couldnt give too much away but he did say the board believed the fans would be pleased with the appointment which made me think they have a clear target in mind, though that could just be the way i interpreted it.
I admire a lot of things about McInnes as a person and manager although a few have said the football isn't great , I'd certainly be behind him if he landed the job but wouldn't want to be sacking a popular ex player just like Moore.
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Post by: Aztech on June 04, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
Gary Hackett and his team are free having left Stourbridge!

In my opinion likely to rock up at Bromsgrove Sporting some time soon.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 04, 2019, 03:00:57 PM
Matt Wilson just put up a new article saying Labbaddia interest cooled but not due to wages. He also says Hughton too expensive and they are interested in 2 others not named.

All the gaffers from Warley FA Sunday League sat by the phones waiting.

Coleman and Pearson
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Post by: victor mature on June 04, 2019, 03:03:53 PM
I hope you are joking about Coleman .Diabolical
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Post by: gazberg on June 04, 2019, 03:20:58 PM
Chris bleedin Coleman ffs.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 04, 2019, 04:13:49 PM
Chris bleedin Coleman ffs.

I second that. They'd better not!!!!!!!
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Post by: seteefeet on June 04, 2019, 04:19:51 PM
Just waiting for the "highly regarded within the game" number 2 to enter the fray as we get nearer to the bottom of the barrel (we are not far off if Coleman is genuinely under consideration)
Perhaps they are waiting for England to lose before announcing, a-la Alan F Irvine.
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 04, 2019, 04:27:29 PM
Nixon saying anyone they want doesn’t fancy it.
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Post by: kc56wba on June 04, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Us the supporters have no choice who the manager is so, all this speculation is no good for your health, just relax, enjoy the summer and sit back and wait.
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Post by: royhan on June 04, 2019, 04:43:23 PM
We must be perceived as the biggest joke in the Championship. If we want the best manager then we have got to stump up the cash. Failure to do so will see us slump even further. Come up with the money Mr Lai or you may regret not doing so.
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Post by: Dan on June 04, 2019, 04:46:16 PM
This is where Moore's sacking will really do us in. It was such a outwardly harsh sacking anyone with a reputation to lose will take a wide berth.

Not to mention whoever comes in is going to need to buy half a new squad, and by the looks of things is not going to be given much in terms of fees or wages to do that. It's a job set up to fail really.
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 04, 2019, 04:48:47 PM
Nixon saying anyone they want doesn’t fancy it.

He actually said "Struggling to tempt anyone they want" & yet Matt Wilson, today, said that money is not an issue with Labaddia.

Matt described the situation as "spinning plates" which suggests that they have a number of options
Personally, I think they know they have to make an appointment soon, but at the moment Dowling, Jenkins & Lai are not quite on the same page on who to appoint.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 04, 2019, 04:54:25 PM
He actually said "Struggling to tempt anyone they want" & yet Matt Wilson, today, said that money is not an issue with Labaddia.

Matt described the situation as "spinning plates" which suggests that they have a number of options
Personally, I think they know they have to make an appointment soon, but at the moment Dowling, Jenkins & Lai are not quite on the same page on who to appoint.

Only one of those three knows about football. So why appoint a sporting and technical director and not listen to him if your assertions are correct. Would Lai and Jenkins take advice from Dowling in their field of expertise? I doubt it
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 04, 2019, 05:14:34 PM
Only one of those three knows about football. So why appoint a sporting and technical director and not listen to him if your assertions are correct. Would Lai and Jenkins take advice from Dowling in their field of expertise? I doubt it

It's not an exclusively football related decision though is it?

According to a number of reports we're looking to have a shift in our style, whichever style we adopt, the owner would have to be comfortable with it.

It's been well reported that Lai would be consulted before any appointment is made & that Lai had an influence on the decision to appoint Darren Moore.
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Post by: divinewind on June 04, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
After we decide on who we want Jenkins will probably have to fly to China for Lai to sanction it. Lai may disagree or the target could be poached by someone else in the mean time.
Great way to run a club.
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Post by: NathWBA on June 04, 2019, 05:20:52 PM
As I've said before, we are happy to give god awful players 50k a year, but wont put our hands in our pockets for a potentially good manager. Our board clearly don't rate managers as leaders. Heres a suggestion - Get rid of Dowling and Jenkins, and use the money on hiring a decent manager. Joke Club, Joke Board, Joke Owner - Back to the 1980's again !!! Bobby Gould anyone??
I assume that you 50k a week and there definitely won’t be players currently earning that pay and definitely won’t be at the start of the season.
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 04, 2019, 05:27:39 PM
He actually said "Struggling to tempt anyone they want" & yet Matt Wilson, today, said that money is not an issue with Labaddia.

Matt described the situation as "spinning plates" which suggests that they have a number of options
Personally, I think they know they have to make an appointment soon, but at the moment Dowling, Jenkins & Lai are not quite on the same page on who to appoint.

It suggests to me that they have a number of plates......

Its going to be Appleton, we all know it.
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Post by: sammyg on June 04, 2019, 05:28:52 PM
After we decide on who we want Jenkins will probably have to fly to China for Lai to sanction it. Lai may disagree or the target could be poached by someone else in the mean time.
Great way to run a club.

Is FaceTime not a thing in China?
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 04, 2019, 05:31:54 PM
Is FaceTime not a thing in China?
iPhones aren’t a thing in China.l, let alone FaceTime.
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Post by: timdon on June 04, 2019, 05:35:39 PM
Is FaceTime not a thing in China?
No, but nothing stopping them having a video call on WeChat. Certainly no need to go to China.
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Post by: gazberg on June 04, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
With the amount of plates the board has been spinning and for how long they have been spinning them i can't help but think we found where the owners of the greek restaurant next to the original Snobs up town ended up at.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 04, 2019, 06:31:48 PM
iPhones aren’t a thing in China.l, let alone FaceTime.

They must have Skype if they have PC's
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 04, 2019, 06:54:04 PM
They must have Skype if they have PC's
Skype’s banned by the government I believe, WhatsApp too.
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Post by: NJS on June 04, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
Yes they have their own ring fenced system and there was talk of a censored google search
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 04, 2019, 09:12:17 PM
Id have liked Shan to get the job now. Whoever gets the job next will have a major blip on their hands. Its almost like they were following fergie into the job. Im trying to say set to fail. The team appears to be totally different. Too much change.

Shan restored pride and so did moore. I miss them already. At least it felt like fans mattered to the club. I feel like its pardew all over again.
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 04, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
The more I think about this appointment the more I come to the conclusion it won't be anybody with a backbone, the club is in a complete mess and the board will take someone on, tie his hands behind his back and run for cover.
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Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2019, 09:34:11 PM
The more I think about this appointment the more I come to the conclusion it won't be anybody with a backbone, the club is in a complete mess and the board will take someone on, tie his hands behind his back and run for cover.
I think the exact opposite, whilst we are all critical of the suits, they must be reasonably astute and if so they should realise that the appointment of someone capable and forthright is what is needed!
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Post by: chipperclark on June 05, 2019, 04:37:33 AM
 ;D I am beginning to think Shan should get the job with as assistant of his choice.

He was only a penalty away from getting us to Wembley and maybe PL?

Has he really done that badly considering the "tools" he has to work with??

Gayle and Brunt send-offs were not his fault but probably cost us a shot at the PL.

There are a lot of good kids in the Academy who could step up to the Chumps league.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 05, 2019, 05:49:34 AM
;D I am beginning to think Shan should get the job with as assistant of his choice.

He was only a penalty away from getting us to Wembley and maybe PL?

Has he really done that badly considering the "tools" he has to work with??

Gayle and Brunt send-offs were not his fault but probably cost us a shot at the PL.

There are a lot of good kids in the Academy who could step up to the Chumps league.

I think he did a great job taking over for Moore. Kept us relevant upto the last couple of games.
It came down to a penalty shootout but if JRod s goal attempt at Villa Park had gone in and not been pushed onto the bar we would be looking at a huge cash windfall right now.
MY reservation with Shan getting the job is when it all fails we will lose another good coach that has been at the club for many years.
The turnover of backroom staff is as bad as sacking managers and losing half the team.
We have to bring new blood into the managers position or we will collapse completely.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
Interesting to see that Pearson has done a very good self promoting interview with Sky.
I hope our suits pick it up

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11734762/nigel-pearson-interview-leicester-success-belgian-differences-and-why-reputations-can-be-misleading
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Post by: Standaman on June 05, 2019, 06:59:06 AM
Interesting to see that Pearson has done a very good self promoting interview with Sky.
I hope our suits pick it up

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11734762/nigel-pearson-interview-leicester-success-belgian-differences-and-why-reputations-can-be-misleading

Pardew is a bloody good manager on Sky so is Tim Sherwood. No thanks.
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Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 05, 2019, 07:50:28 AM
Nixon saying anyone they want doesn’t fancy it.

Nixon knows a lot of what is going on within football and is very rarely wrong.

however when it comes to midlands football he is always wide of the mark for some reason.

he was adamant in January we were signing Giles Barnes for instance.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 08:02:02 AM
Pardew is a bloody good manager on Sky so is Tim Sherwood. No thanks.

I've advocated we should be going for Pearson since Darren Moore got the bullet.
Strong character, stands no rubbish from anyone, and don't forget apart from getting Leicester promoted, in essence that was his team that won the Premier League.
I think he might be a little too much of his own man for our suits.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on June 05, 2019, 08:03:59 AM
Pardew is a bloody good manager on Sky so is Tim Sherwood. No thanks.
I think you are being a bit dismissive of Pearson. Surely a better managerial record, than many of the candidates.
I would be happy with him, but probably a bit too "up front" for Jenkins, and I am not sure Dowling would be comfortable with him.
His credentials make him a worthy candidate, and only a fleeting previous connection with the club!
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 08:31:14 AM
Nixon knows a lot of what is going on within football and is very rarely wrong.

however when it comes to midlands football he is always wide of the mark for some reason.

he was adamant in January we were signing Giles Barnes for instance.



Yes, you are absolutely right, he was.

Nixon's info clearly cannot be relied on. Of all the journo's Matt Wilson is the only one I'd trust.
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Post by: leeiswba on June 05, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Jon Percy is the main man for the Albion from what I have seen. Wilson always seems to have his story out a few hours after Percy
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Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on June 05, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
Dowling 'Well Bruno, what sort of wage are you thinking of?' Bruno 'I thought around £40k per week' Dowling 'Thats £2m a year!' Bruno 'Thats correct. Is that an issue?'
Dowling' I suppose not, but thats the entire transfer budget as well' Bruno 'Ok, see you later'

Press report club are still interested in Bruno, but are looking at other options.......
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 08:56:30 AM
Dowling 'Well Bruno, what sort of wage are you thinking of?' Bruno 'I thought around £40k per week' Dowling 'Thats £2m a year!' Bruno 'Thats correct. Is that an issue?'
Dowling' I suppose not, but thats the entire transfer budget as well' Bruno 'Ok, see you later'

Press report club are still interested in Bruno, bit are looking at other options.......

Press report club are still interested in Bruno, bit are looking at other cheaper options....
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 05, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
"Nigel Pearson interview: Leicester success, Belgian differences, and why reputations can be misleading"

An interesting and insightful read on Pearson. An obvious PR exercise, similar to Pardew's recent attempt at rehabilitation after disastrous periods in his career

Source: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11734762/nigel-pearson-interview-leicester-success-belgian-differences-and-why-reputations-can-be-misleading
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 05, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
Dowling 'Well Bruno, what sort of wage are you thinking of?' Bruno 'I thought around £40k per week' Dowling 'Thats £2m a year!' Bruno 'Thats correct. Is that an issue?'
Dowling' I suppose not, but thats the entire transfer budget as well' Bruno 'Ok, see you later'

Press report club are still interested in Bruno, but are looking at other options.......

..............& wages are not an issue
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 09:11:55 AM
I don't buy into this 'the club are still interested but looking at other options.'

If you were that interested in someone, you would just make them the boss. On the flip side, if I was a manager and knew the club were interested in me, to then be told we are exploring other options but we are still interested, that would make me think twice about going there.

I do think the club now know they have to get this appointment spot on. They have had 3 months to find the man for the job, for them then to give it a novice or someone like Shan would make a mockery of the whole thing.

In any other season I wouldn't be too concerned about how long its taking, but what I am concerned about is how big the rebuild is this season in terms of the squad and we should really be getting some of our business done early, but without a manager that's obviously not going to happen.

A post from yesterday from someone who knew someone within the club that had said the fans would be happy with the appointment got me thinking that it could be someone like McInnes who gets it. He has been linked with us several times in the past, not so much this time and it's someone like him that 90% of the fanbase would take to him immediately. I can't think of too many other managers out there that would have that much backing.

For example, Hughton probably gives you like a 60-40 split in terms of fans who would be happy with him in charge, same goes with the likes of Cowley, Pearson etc etc.

I didn't buy into the Wilder links and I believe that was a tactic used by his agent to get him a better deal, anyone who knows our current situation knows how shocking our board are and how little our budget is going to be so it didn't make sense.

We can sit here and sl*g Dowling off all we like but his job pretty much lies on this appointment, he knows he has to get this appointment right. That being said, I don't trust we will get the right man as Jenkins will ensure he has as little as possible to work with moneywise in order to rebuild this squad.
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Post by: seteefeet on June 05, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
Spinning plates sounds a bit like shopping with the missus.

1st shop: Tries on a top and loves it
.
"How's it look?",
"Fantastic, you should get it"
"It's a bit pricey, I might have a look round, might get something cheaper"
"If you like it, it's worth it, just get it"
"No, come on we can always come back"
5 hours and 27 shops later.
"I think I'm going to go back and get that first top, it was perfect"
Get back to 1st top and guess what?
"Oh no, they don't have it in my size now"

Leave shop with Michael Appleton.
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Post by: Pie on June 05, 2019, 09:34:22 AM
Skype’s banned by the government I believe, WhatsApp too.

I do a lot of business with China for work and there are plenty of applications that can be used for video conferencing that are not banned in China.
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Post by: Mr Cynical on June 05, 2019, 09:46:45 AM
I don't really see the attraction to Pearson.  1 promotion from about 6/7 seasons at championship level with 4 different clubs (5 if you want to count leicester twice).  No stability.  Falls out with everyone.  Obviously struggles under pressure (relationship breakdowns, McArthur, ostrich, etc).

Looking at his record, from a results and personality perspective, I don't see him as an attractive candidate.  If I was Jenkins, happily making bad decisions, holed up in my bunker, I definitely don't need the hassle.
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 05, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
Sky sports understands Slaven bilic is the new number one candidate.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 10:01:26 AM
Just had a quick search of out of work managers (yes I am bored):

Heiko Herrlich - ex Bayer Leverkusen
Big Sam
Claude Puel
Theirry Henry
Mark Hughes
Jokanovic
Moyes
Bilic
Hughton
Rowett
Poyet
Philip Cocu
Filipo Inzaghi
Karanka
Oscar Garcia
Paul Clement

That's not to include any managers who's contracts may be expiring this month, i.e Labaddia.

Then there are loads of managers who from Spain, Germany, France but some I have never heard of.

As you can see, the freebie list isn't too appealing in all honesty.

I really do believe the job will be either Appleton, McInnes or Shan.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 05, 2019, 10:01:40 AM
I've kept extremely quiet on the issue in fairness, largely because I have given up caring/hoping when it comes to the Albion nowadays.

I will wait to see who they actually appoint, if they ever do, and give my opinion then.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
I tend not to believe a lot of what Sky Sports say in all honesty, I have lost count of how many times they've thrown a rumour out there, took bets on it, and then it gets distanced by the end of the day and Sky sit there laughing at the money they've made.

I will believe the Bilic link as/when its reported by someone credible.

I would be happy if he Slav did come in, but if I remember correctly he turned us down when we sacked Pulis didn't he?
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Post by: royhan on June 05, 2019, 10:05:07 AM
Sky Is reporting that Bilic is believed to want more money than Albion are prepared to pay. What’s new :-X
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 05, 2019, 10:06:23 AM
Sky Is reporting that Bilic is believed to want more money than Albion are prepared to pay. What’s new :-X
It goes on to say that the issue isn’t insurmountable. Interviewed last night and really impressed.
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Post by: baggiemart on June 05, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
Pearson would be a good choice for me but seeing that Middlesbrough are also after a manager and he was a player there, I would imagine that will be his 1st choice.

The board need to get there act together. Only 2 months left until transfer window closes.  We have an ever reducing squad with all the loan players returning to their clubs and potentially Rodriguez and Dawson going to Burnley and Fenerbache interested in Gibbs, doesn't leave us with a lot .  In fact with whats left , mid table would be best we could expect.
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Post by: lewisant on June 05, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/05/exclusive-west-brom-hold-talks-with-slaven-bilic/?rnd=1286626 (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/05/exclusive-west-brom-hold-talks-with-slaven-bilic/?rnd=1286626)
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 10:28:07 AM
Well this isn't one of the names I expected to see. Would be pleased if it came.off but not getting too excited.
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Post by: Pie on June 05, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Bilic would certainly be an exciting appointment, but it sounds too good to be true.
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Post by: jonny on June 05, 2019, 10:36:06 AM
It’s a new exciting link every week  ::)
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 05, 2019, 10:40:28 AM
Mirror (yes I know) saying Bilic “set to be named”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-slaven-bilic-set-named-16258675
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Post by: Mr Cynical on June 05, 2019, 10:41:30 AM
Is there anyone else left to talk to now?

This analysis paralysis is really dragging on.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 10:51:04 AM
Mirror (yes I know) saying Bilic “set to be named”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-slaven-bilic-set-named-16258675

They say we spoke to him on Tuesday.
If we're ready to appoint him so soon after I'd be amazed
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 10:54:27 AM
I'd never really thought of Bilic. Would be OK by me though, certainly better than a lot of names I've seen linked.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 05, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
Just searching for my Slaven Bilic avatar, sorry Jokanovic, but I'd take Bilic in a heartbeat.

Fingers crossed and everything else that's crossable, even my eyes  :D
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
Can't imagine Bilic would come on the cheap.

Guessing he has realised he isn't going to get a premier league job anytime soon so may be worth stepping down a league.

I assume he would want reassurance of a decent enough budget to build a team capable of challenging.

Can't see it happening to be honest, think money will be a major factor.

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Post by: Brombo97 on June 05, 2019, 11:29:33 AM
Bilic, another failed manager, too old, too expensive (possibly), away from English football for too long, lacking in charisma. Why does everyone sound so pleased that he'
s on the radar?
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 05, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
Bilic, another failed manager, too old, too expensive (possibly), away from English football for too long, lacking in charisma. Why does everyone sound so pleased that he'
s on the radar?

Because he's not Michael Appleton
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 05, 2019, 11:39:23 AM
Bilic, another failed manager, too old, too expensive (possibly), away from English football for too long, lacking in charisma. Why does everyone sound so pleased that he'
s on the radar?

Too old?  Are you serious? Same age as Wilder, 50. Bielsa is 63. Is he too old? Mourinho is 56. Klopp is nearly 52.

Away from English football too long?  Well none of Bielsa, Klopp, Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Wagner or Farke had ever managed in English football before being appointed!

Failed manager?  Where?  If you will only consider a manager who has never been sacked then it would be an extremely short shortlist!

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Post by: darbolina on June 05, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
At best Bilic could re-invigorate the team with contacts around Europe. He likes to play through midfield and to play a more attack minded game.

At worst, he could be a bit like Pardew, struggles to produce an attacking enough team at the same time as being a bit too open .

An interesting link though and more what I'd hope for if we're serious about rebuilding a team that can play through midfield and needing to use contacts around Europe.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 05, 2019, 11:49:03 AM
Bilic, another failed manager, too old, too expensive (possibly), away from English football for too long, lacking in charisma. Why does everyone sound so pleased that he'
s on the radar?

Too old, he's 50. His lowest win ratio is 38.3 which was at West Ham, he still won more games there than he lost. All his sides have played decent football.

http://www.managerstats.co.uk/managers/slaven-bilic/
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 05, 2019, 11:52:22 AM
I'd be very happy with Bilic considering some of the other names we have been linked with.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
Bilic could be the name a previous poster was referring to when they said someone on the board said they were trying to get a manager the fans would be happy with.

The general response has been positive. The club tried to get him in before when we got rid of Pulis but he had only just left West Ham.

I'm guessing his demands may have changed now or we have had some form of encouragement from his advisors for us to want to interview him.

Would be a decent enough managerial appointment. I like to think how I would react if managers/players we sign were to go to similar positioned clubs.

Would I be envious of Boro if they got Bilic in as manager - Yes.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on June 05, 2019, 12:05:03 PM
The in-depth knowledge of our supporters about every candidate put forward really impresses me . Must be a lot of football game-players on here.
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Post by: alex1 on June 05, 2019, 12:05:22 PM
A bit curious why Labbadia has, according to reports, dropped down the pecking order.
Supposedly, wages were not an issue.
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Post by: Mikkyk on June 05, 2019, 12:08:37 PM
Mirror (yes I know) saying Bilic “set to be named”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-slaven-bilic-set-named-16258675

Reported in other places too:

https://twitter.com/netbet/status/1136227901257523201?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Post by: seteefeet on June 05, 2019, 12:19:39 PM
Would be happy with Bilic, a very pleasant surprise to be honest. Hope we can get it done.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 05, 2019, 12:23:10 PM
yes i too would be happy with Bilic, go get a few european footballers please. Robert Korens of this world would be nice
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Post by: kanu on June 05, 2019, 12:27:25 PM
Bilic, another failed manager, too old, too expensive (possibly), away from English football for too long, lacking in charisma. Why does everyone sound so pleased that he'
s on the radar?
Too old? Failed? Are you talking about the same guy or just not up to speed. He’s 50 with a sound record and he plays good football. Plus he’ll have good contacts and is not a yes man. What’s not to like? If he’s an awful appointment in your opinion then who do you want...Pep??
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2019, 12:35:32 PM
I'll be utterly amazed if Billic walks through our door.

Not happening.
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 05, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
I think it’s going to happen. Can’t put my finger on it but this ‘leaked’ info just seems different to the usual tosh somehow.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on June 05, 2019, 12:55:05 PM
I'll be utterly amazed if Billic walks through our door.

Not happening.

Same here.

Sky are notorious for creating stories like this, and then when everybody puts money on using Skybet, playing them down because they were never going to happen.

He'd walk out after 3-4 months of having to deal with Jenkins anyway.
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Post by: KN22 on June 05, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
I cant see why some are saying it wont happen. We are still a good prospect for any manager looking for a new club imo. His salary expectations will have dropped given the fact he has been away from the big league for some time now. I believe it could happen and personally hope that it does....
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 05, 2019, 12:59:55 PM
Same here.

Sky are notorious for creating stories like this, and then when everybody puts money on using Skybet, playing them down because they were never going to happen.

He'd walk out after 3-4 months of having to deal with Jenkins anyway.
to be fair, Matt Wilson as the E&S broke it at the same time on twitter as Sky did, to the point Matt had to remove the “exclusive” banner from the article he was about to release.
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Post by: darbolina on June 05, 2019, 01:03:31 PM
The leaks going on i'd say we've shaken hands and they're sorting it with Bilic.............or may even be done?
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2019, 01:11:47 PM
I cant see why some are saying it wont happen. We are still a good prospect for any manager looking for a new club imo. His salary expectations will have dropped given the fact he has been away from the big league for some time now. I believe it could happen and personally hope that it does....

Are we?

We're trying to get promoted on the cheap.

We're trying to cut as many costs as possibly.

Our playing squad is very poor.

The squad needs a major overhaul because we've relied on short term loans/contracts.

Our owner is virtually non-existent

And you'll probably get sacked in your first run of bad form.

We're a bit of a mess to be honest.
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
2/9 Bilic with Paddy Power, 1/4 with Sky Bet.

That's odds on favourite number ......... what, 7?
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
I'll be utterly amazed if Billic walks through our door.

Not happening.

Be amazed, he walked through the door for the interview.

But then he walked back out again.
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Post by: wba1993dave on June 05, 2019, 01:21:37 PM
I reckon there will be another twist in this sorry saga. Still think Hughton will get the job.
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Post by: lewisant on June 05, 2019, 01:27:01 PM
I hope he punches through the door, electric guitar over shoulder, distortion on high, fag in mouth and sorts us right out!
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 05, 2019, 01:30:23 PM
The in-depth knowledge of our supporters about every candidate put forward really impresses me . Must be a lot of football game-players on here.

it's really easy to check on someones stats, style of play win ratios etc online, no need to play games.
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
I reckon there will another twist in this sorry saga.


Flippin hell how many more are possible? At some point something has to stick!
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Post by: NathWBA on June 05, 2019, 01:38:30 PM
A bit curious why Labbadia has, according to reports, dropped down the pecking order.
Supposedly, wages were not an issue.
Bilic’s experience of the English game?
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Post by: SirTonyM on June 05, 2019, 01:45:09 PM
Bilic is an interesting one. I enjoyed his comments last year as a pundit for the world cup. He speaks his mind and his teams tried to play attacking football. He did well with Croatia and West Ham. He can be volatile so wonder how that will work with Jenkins etc. I am intrigued by this but do wonder what transfer assurances he will have been given.
One major plus as far as the board are concerned is he is out of work :) :)
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 05, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
I understand why people are sceptical, we've had a few false dawns in the Head Coach stakes.

But I still believe we are a viable prospect for a range of Coaches who have something to prove, whether they are up and coming or a slightly fallen star.

We are a club operating in the black with, albeit limited, money to spend from incoming transfer fees (I hope). I would suggest that we are still, in many ways, the envy of a number of clubs in the Championship. So how about looking on the brightside, otherwise following and supporting a football club would be futile. My glass is half full and I'm about ready for a top up!  :D  COYB!!!!
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Post by: Mikkyk on June 05, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
I wasn't sceptical when the news first broke, as a previous posted stated E&S reported it along with a number of other news outlets.

But normally with this sorts of things your tabloids report it there is a half an hour or so delay before the likes of BBC and the broadsheets confirm it. Been a two hour delay now so doubts starting to creep in.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on June 05, 2019, 02:14:11 PM
it's really easy to check on someones stats, style of play win ratios etc online, no need to play games.
I was being sarcastic mate. We have so many experts on here, I just wish some of them would use their knowledge with the handbrake on.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
Its a typical move by Sky.

Throw a rumour out, let the bets flood in and then distance the rumour within 24 hours.

They had already laid the groundwork for the excuse when they released the exclusive, by saying that the wages could be an issue.

I would be very surprised if I didn't see a story by Sky tomorrow saying talks with Bilic have broken down due to wages.

The one thing another story like this does though is makes us more laughable. First it was Labaddia is very close after second round of meetings, then he was put on the back foot as we targeted Wilder and now the Bilic story.

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Post by: billvis on June 05, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
Not saying I'm for or against Bilic as as an appointment ( quite ground down by it all really), but not knowing much about his managerial career (except for West Ham and Croatia) just had a little read up online.

Did poorly with Lokomotiv Moscow and sacked after 1 season. Did OK at Besiktas in troubled times from what I can glean, and apparently brought a lot of local youngsters through. Then West Ham, where I thought he did OK. Sacked after 5 months in Saudi.

I don't know what to think about it really.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 05, 2019, 02:20:07 PM
I wasn't sceptical when the news first broke, as a previous posted stated E&S reported it along with a number of other news outlets.

But normally with this sorts of things your tabloids report it there is a half an hour or so delay before the likes of BBC and the broadsheets confirm it. Been a two hour delay now so doubts starting to creep in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48526209

BBC
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
Its a typical move by Sky.

Throw a rumour out, let the bets flood in and then distance the rumour within 24 hours.

They had already laid the groundwork for the excuse when they released the exclusive, by saying that the wages could be an issue.

I would be very surprised if I didn't see a story by Sky tomorrow saying talks with Bilic have broken down due to wages.

The one thing another story like this does though is makes us more laughable. First it was Labaddia is very close after second round of meetings, then he was put on the back foot as we targeted Wilder and now the Bilic story.


We never targeted Wilder, that story was the biggest load of bllx of the year and I said so the minute that "story" was released.

Sky didn't break this Bilic news, every news outlet is acting on the back of the original source which wasn't Sky.

Not saying true or false but let's get things right and in perspective.
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 02:22:36 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48526209

BBC


Wilder = bull. Will not happen.
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Post by: Dexy on June 05, 2019, 02:28:19 PM

Wilder = bull. Will not happen.
Most likely won't happen but its not bull .
Matt Wilson as far as I'm aware has never linked us with anybody with nothing behind it.
There should be genuine interest if Wilder becomes available however much of a long shot it is , worth asking if nothing else.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 02:33:51 PM

We never targeted Wilder, that story was the biggest load of bllx of the year and I said so the minute that "story" was released.

Sky didn't break this Bilic news, every news outlet is acting on the back of the original source which wasn't Sky.

Not saying true or false but let's get things right and in perspective.

The official sky sports twitter page put:

BREAKING: Slaven Bilic is West Bromwich Albion's first choice to take over as Head Coach, according to Sky sources.

That's enough for me to believe Sky broke the news in all honesty.

The Wilder story was also broken by Rob Dorsett on twitter, who is a reporter for Sky, just done a search and Sky broke the news first of the Wilder story out of every news outlet.

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Post by: Dexy on June 05, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
As a person I like Bilic , might just be a bit of edge the club needs. My worry is he went a bit Brian Little towards the end at West Ham and how much that still hangs over him , he looked a broken man at that point.
In that respect and with the rebuild needed maybe Hughton is a safe pair of hands.
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Post by: WBArgo on June 05, 2019, 02:57:30 PM
It may be an unpopular opinion but I've never rated Bilic and would prefer a few others over him. Of course if he comes here I will be positive and wish him the best, he also seems like a decent bloke.

However, I don't think he's ever done anything of note as a manager and doesn't inspire me.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
It may be an unpopular opinion but I've never rated Bilic and would prefer a few others over him. Of course if he comes here I will be positive and wish him the best, he also seems like a decent bloke.

However, I don't think he's ever done anything of note as a manager and doesn't inspire me.

I would prefer Hughton over Bilic.

I like the idea of Labaddia, but that's mainly due to me thinking he may be able to tap into the german market for some talented players more than anything else.
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Post by: MarkW on June 05, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
Croatia under Billic did well, and he was instrumental in bring Modric and Corluka into the 1st team.

He also came 7th and 11th with West Ham which was a great achievement - his record there was the best per game that any of their recent managers has had (previous to his appointment).

The season he got sacked apparently he lost the dressing room a bit - players were unfit and there was a lack of discipline.

If he came, I'd be be cautiously optimistic, but our season will hinge more on the squad we're left with on 9th August.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 05, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
Hughton would be very similar to previous managers we have had and a relatively safe pair of hands. may sound silly to some but i think Hughton is a bit "boring".

but i think Bilic would give us something a bit different and make us a lot more attractive to watch and as a club.

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Post by: Brombo97 on June 05, 2019, 04:13:01 PM
Bilic only lasted 2 years at West Ham - failed club manager
Bilic is 50- if you haven't had any notable club success by that age, you're never going to.
Bilic - surely next to no knowledge of The Championship sides or potential lower league transfer targets which is likely to be all we can afford
Bilic - no charisma, no uplifting of players, doubtful man management skills.

Bilic -not wanted! He'll bring us more gloom!
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Post by: Foster#1 on June 05, 2019, 04:16:37 PM
Bilic only lasted 2 years at West Ham - failed club manager
Bilic is 50- if you haven't had any notable club success by that age, you're never going to.
Bilic - surely next to no knowledge of The Championship sides or potential lower league transfer targets which is likely to be all we can afford
Bilic - no charisma, no uplifting of players, doubtful man management skills.

Bilic -not wanted! He'll bring us more gloom!

Well Sarri just won his first medal. He's 60
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Post by: zac on June 05, 2019, 04:16:57 PM
Express and Star now saying we are keen to speak to Lee Bowyer.
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 04:17:37 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/05/west-brom-keen-to-speak-to-charlton-boss-lee-bowyer-after-interviewing-slaven-bilic/

edt  -you beat em to it but theres the link
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Post by: alex1 on June 05, 2019, 04:28:48 PM
Express and Star now saying we are keen to speak to Lee Bowyer.

Sorry, if I'm out of date, but Bowyer hasn't got a good image.  As a player he came across as quite thuggish. Don't think he would enhance our image. 
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 04:50:54 PM
He came across well in the interviews in the play off final, seems to have matured a lot. Would also be a lot cheaper in our boards eyes.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
The most worrying thing for me is all theses managers we are keen to speak to, all offer a different approach, different style of play, it’s almost like the club literally don’t have a vision and just want to get the man in who will work to our budget.

They’ve tried to tempt a couple or the ‘bigger’ names into the job in less wages, and now taking a stab at Bowyer.

If the club don’t manage to agree wages with Bowyer ( if that’s who they want) then I genuinely give up with this club.

At this rate it starting to think they should have just let Shan have it and actually have a bit of stability in place. Other teams are starting to do business and we can’t wven agree on the manager we want.
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Post by: gerry m on June 05, 2019, 05:06:47 PM
Lee Bowyer is probably thinking to himself 'How far down the pecking order am i'.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 05, 2019, 05:10:45 PM
Lee Bowyer is probably thinking to himself 'How far down the pecking order am i'.

what you mean, if he gets it he will have been our first choice all along  :o
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Post by: mrmojorisin on June 05, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
Don't despair - only another 104 to be interviewed.
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
Bowyers contract runs out in a month so expect a lot more to be interviewed and then the day Bowyer becomes a freebie - BOOOM!
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Post by: 17GD on June 05, 2019, 05:39:25 PM
Wish me luck lads, got an interview for the HC tonight. Might be an all nighter though, the ticket number I pulled off the roll was #226 and they're currently on #015.

Now, which tie do I wear... Blue and white or yellow and green?
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Post by: Albion79 on June 05, 2019, 05:42:01 PM
I know its unpopular opinion but i dont have a problem with the board taking their time and interviewing a number of different style / type managers.

Whatever happens we are going to have a rebuild this summer, we have no identity as a team on the pitch so whoever comes in gets to start with a blank canvas and build one.

As a club i would like to know more what the boards plan are but for the team, that comes down to the manager and what he wants to do so i see no problem in speaking to different candidates, seeing what they want to do and what their plans are and deciding the best option and let them start that rebuild, It has to the head coach who dictates how the team play.

Dont get me wrong, the club made a right balls up of the Darren Moore situation and i am not 100% confident they will get this right but the way they are approaching it seems sensible, any head coach worth having will of done his research on our players, have a contacts book of who he wants as his staff and type of players to bring in and i would assume all that will be presented to the board during interviews, if a potential head coach hasnt done that research and got that information, i wouldnt say they are correctly prepared for the job.

Not a lot is happening in the football world right and so with this rebuild long overdue, now is the time to not panic and make the correct decision.

I would imagine there was a shortlist but then Hughton gets the sack, he would be of interest to any championship club so they would be foolish not to speak to him, Bilic who previously didnt want the Albion managers job may look at again and think this is the chance to rebuild a good club, Bowyer until a 10 days ago was preparing for a playoff final so would imagine his focus would be on that, so if potentially better candidates become available who are better than what you originally targeted (not saying that is the case) then it makes sense to speak to them.

Of course there has to be a cutoff point and i would imagine the next week or 10 days a decision has to be made who they want and then appoint them ready for the start of preseason.

The club has made mistakes, the Darren Moore sacking and its aftermath, to the season ticket deadlines and as stated above i am far from convinced they will get this appointment right but right now they do have time to weigh up the best options and the time to judge will be when the appointment is made.

Another thing is people keep saying about wages, as we have shown the last few years, we do pay big money i believe Evans and Fletcher were both on around £70k a week, Greg and Sturridge over £100k a week, Pardew and Pulis wouldnt of been cheap, so we do pay, whether the people are right for the job is another thing.

Some reports say Labbadia wont be coming because of wages demands, others say we just dont fancy him yet people attach to the wage demands bit when none of us really know whats going on, the Albion do tend to keep things private when it comes to signings and appointments, much to the annoyance of us fans, but as frustrating as i find it, personally i think its the right way of doing it.
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Post by: Cullompton baggie on June 05, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
We need to give time to whoever sits in the big chair, not 6 months and sack him! if we give a 3 year contract - then 3 years need to run. if we finish 15th next year, then so be it! unless we get relegated of course! leave the man to build.
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Post by: wbastrollers on June 05, 2019, 06:02:23 PM

Personally I think we are thrashing about in the dark  ::)
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Post by: pete on June 05, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
We will keep interviewing until we get the person that settles for:

Accommodation
A 2 bed flat in Hansworth
Transport
A taxi to work from Star taxis of Halesowen
Wages
£8.50PH
Bonus
A pie & pint on match days

 ;)
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Post by: smethwickw on June 05, 2019, 06:25:24 PM
Bowyer has been in management for just over 12 months. Not sure he'd be the right man for the rebuild we face.

I still think that Jokanovic is the stand out candidate by a mile.
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Post by: alex1 on June 05, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
We need to give time to whoever sits in the big chair, not 6 months and sack him! if we give a 3 year contract - then 3 years need to run. if we finish 15th next year, then so be it! unless we get relegated of course! leave the man to build.
But if the new guy doesn't get promoted, he will have failed, because that is the expectation?
I would favour a 1 year contract with automatic extension if we get promoted. That should motivate the right manager.
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Post by: NathWBA on June 05, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
Bilic only lasted 2 years at West Ham - failed club manager
Bilic is 50- if you haven't had any notable club success by that age, you're never going to.
Bilic - surely next to no knowledge of The Championship sides or potential lower league transfer targets which is likely to be all we can afford
Bilic - no charisma, no uplifting of players, doubtful man management skills.

Bilic -not wanted! He'll bring us more gloom!
what notable success did Marcelo Bielsa have before 50? I’m sure 99% of fans would take him though, who would you suggest is the best candidate for the position?
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Post by: Adder on June 05, 2019, 06:31:05 PM
According to talksport we've spoken to Bowyer today - would have expected Matt Wilson or John Percy to be first on the ball with that so have some doubts re this.
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Post by: divinewind on June 05, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
Bowyer is a thug, we might as well have Barton or Pearson. I would defo prefer Pearson to either of those.
I would love Bilic, eccentric, passionate, can set up a good team, European contacts etc etc, but we all know it won't happen don't we guys.
We will faff about and next thing he will be managing Boro.
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Post by: Adder on June 05, 2019, 06:33:58 PM
Bowyer is a thug, we might as well have Barton or Pearson. I would defo prefer Pearson to either of those.
I would love Bilic, eccentric, passionate, can set up a good team, European contacts etc etc, but we all know it won't happen don't we guys.
We will faff about and next thing he will be managing Boro.
I'm not sure on this but has Bowyer ever been in trouble off the pitch, or while a manager ?
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 06:38:00 PM
Bowyer has been in management for just over 12 months. Not sure he'd be the right man for the rebuild we face.

I still think that Jokanovic is the stand out candidate by a mile.


He's Fergie compared to Moore then and the board had no hesitation appointing him.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 06:39:44 PM
Bowyer has been in management for just over 12 months. Not sure he'd be the right man for the rebuild we face.

I still think that Jokanovic is the stand out candidate by a mile.

My personal opinion but I would rather Shan have the job than Bowyer.
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Post by: wba_1996 on June 05, 2019, 06:52:23 PM
This is unprecedented. I've never known a football club sound out so many different managers, lets not forget this process has been going on since we looked at Jokanovic and Wagner after Moore went. I'd almost applaud them for doing so much due dilligence, but then I realise these are people who are proven failures at their job and there's no common theme whatsoever between the managers they are talking to.

Smacks of Jenkins - "who is the best guy we can get in, the safest option, for the absolute minimum financial outlay?" No matter how many they speak to, the answer to this question is going to be 'stick with Shan/Appleton'.
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Post by: alex1 on June 05, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
I'm not sure on this but has Bowyer ever been in trouble off the pitch, or while a manager ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Bowyer

Quite a trail of worrying on and off the pitch disciplinary incidents involving him through his playing career.
However, I am sorry if I am being unduly harsh on him as everyone deserves a chance to change for the better. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 05, 2019, 07:02:00 PM

He's Fergie compared to Moore then and the board had no hesitation appointing him.

And yet a modern-day Yanited would have sacked Fergie before his first season was over. Just saying.
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Post by: baggie53 on June 05, 2019, 07:03:08 PM
Going to be a while yet
Appleton, Bruno, Bilic, Bowyer
We still have C  D E F G H I etc to get through yet
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 07:24:27 PM
And yet a modern-day Yanited would have sacked Fergie before his first season was over. Just saying.

Hindsights a curse but DM didn't show any promise but i'll leave it there. He is in the past and tbf i shouldn't have brought him up.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 05, 2019, 07:35:41 PM
Hindsights a curse but DM didn't show any promise but i'll leave it there. He is in the past and tbf i shouldn't have brought him up.

Fair enough mate.... touchy area for us all DM, he's always going to be a legend here....

but for me after the absolute farce the board made of Darren they really need to pull out a plum now.
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Post by: gazberg on June 05, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
Agreed my friend. They have really took the biscuit the last 16 months or so.
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Post by: albion59 on June 05, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
Going to be a while yet
Appleton, Bruno, Bilic, Bowyer
We still have C  D E F G H I etc to get through yet
Class! Made me laugh that as brill!
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Post by: Adder on June 05, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Bowyer

Quite a trail of worrying on and off the pitch disciplinary incidents involving him through his playing career.
However, I am sorry if I am being unduly harsh on him as everyone deserves a chance to change for the better.
Cheers, yes a little bit worrying....nose clean as a manager so far but his past conduct doesn't make for a great read.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 05, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
Cheers, yes a little bit worrying....nose clean as a manager so far but his past conduct doesn't make for a great read.
Exactly.
How would he control discipline?
Do as I say not as I do?
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Post by: lewisant on June 05, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
Sanchez Flores mentioned in the latest Matt Wilson update. All seems very erratic at the moment.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2019, 09:18:16 PM
According to Alan Nixon we will have a manager by the end of the week

https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/06/blogs/nixon-west-brom-will-have-manager-by-end-of-the-week/
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Post by: Chipperfan on June 05, 2019, 09:18:56 PM
Exactly.
How would he control discipline?
Do as I say not as I do?

By encouraging the players to learn from his mistakes.

Not saying he’s the right guy by the way, just how he could turn a negative into a positive.
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Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
According to Alan Nixon we will have a manager by the end of the week

https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/06/blogs/nixon-west-brom-will-have-manager-by-end-of-the-week/


Which week?

This? Next, the last in December?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 05, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Exactly.
How would he control discipline?
Do as I say not as I do?

Charlton had 6 red cards last season and 100 yellow cards

We had 7 red (Livermore x2, Rodriguez, Hegazi, Brunt, Gayle, Robson-Kanu) and at least 75 yellow (couldn't find confirmed details)

So not much in it.
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Post by: alex1 on June 05, 2019, 09:31:54 PM
Charlton had 6 red cards last season and 100 yellow cards

We had 7 red (Livermore x2, Rodriguez, Hegazi, Brunt, Gayle, Robson-Kanu) and at least 75 yellow (couldn't find confirmed details)

So not much in it.
According to Wikepdia, Bowyer was the first player to reach 100 yellow cards in the Premier League.

But even if he has learned from his mistakes, he's only had one year's experience as a manager, which on its own, should rule him out.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 05, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
Lee Bowyer was an incredible footballer lets not forget. Mental yes. Off the pitch a time bomb? Yes. Cannot argue with the job he has done at Charlton. Would be quite surprised if he left to be honest.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 05, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
According to Wikepdia, Bowyer was the first player to reach 100 yellow cards in the Premier League.

But even if he has learned from his mistakes, he's only had one year's experience as a manager, which on its own, should rule him out.

I'm not advocating Bowyer in any way (at the moment i'm bored of the whole thing) but Roberto Di Matteo had one season before he came to us, his MK Dons just missed out on promotion and he got us back up in his 1st season (different times I know). Bowyer has gone one better than RDM so one season only shouldn't be a concern if he is given the job. Lampard has just completed his first season and they finished as losing semi finalists in the play offs same as us and were one of only 2 teams to do the double over us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on June 05, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
Two new names in the frame with the proviso that the reports are credible and that the sequence of reporting is the same as the sequence events.

Slaven Bilic

Instinctively I like the idea, but I think it is necassary to distinguish between Slaven Bilic the polished TV pundit and Billic the coach. Being good on TV is a different skill set to taking an injury ravaged squad to Barnsley on a wet Tuesday night in February needing to get a result.

Looking at his track record it is fair to say it is mixed. His initial season at West Ham remains the club's best in the Premier League era but that was very much a high watermark and he then suffered the painful transition to the London Stadium which culminated in his dismissal a little over a season latter.

 Bilic's sides seem free scoring enough but the goals against column seems to be a long term issue. I don't think he has a negative bone in his body so the football should be fun.

I am genuinely torn this is the sort of "name" appointment that gets fans excited but when you look at the CV's of other candidates particularly Hughton and Labbedia there is solid achievement. Whether the board and the fans remain star struck long enough to give him time is another matter.

Lee Bowyer

Setting aside the deserved bad boy image from his playng days Bowyer's debut season in management could have hardly gone better. Yet that is the problem he is still pretty inexpereinced and while the circumstances around Charlton could hardly be more trying I still don't think this is a job for a relative rookie.

In general I would agree with a lot of what Albion 79 said earlier in this thread. We are very much a club in search of a new playing identitiy and for better or worse the next appointment might be the one to shape it for the next few years at least. We need to get this right we simply cannot afford another 30 odd game appointment.




Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: superkev on June 05, 2019, 10:41:11 PM
Does anyone know if we have interviewed Nigel Pearson ?


He would be my choice
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 05, 2019, 11:09:36 PM


In general I would agree with a lot of what Albion 79 said earlier in this thread. We are very much a club in search of a new playing identitiy and for better or worse the next appointment might be the one to shape it for the next few years at least. We need to get this right we simply cannot afford another 30 odd game appointment.

While I agree with your own & Albion 79's arguments, if the candidates who we are alleged to have had conversations with are genuine, I believe we should, by now, have identified at least one who ticks most of the boxes.
Any appointment carries a risk, so we might get it right this time or we might not, but IMO it's time now to pull the trigger.
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 05, 2019, 11:14:07 PM
We need a hard case, Bilic or Pearson for me.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on June 05, 2019, 11:22:08 PM
I think he did a great job taking over for Moore. Kept us relevant upto the last couple of games.
It came down to a penalty shootout but if JRod s goal attempt at Villa Park had gone in and not been pushed onto the bar we would be looking at a huge cash windfall right now.
MY reservation with Shan getting the job is when it all fails we will lose another good coach that has been at the club for many years.
The turnover of backroom staff is as bad as sacking managers and losing half the team.
We have to bring new blood into the managers position or we will collapse completely.
Wouldn’t we have had to play derby first?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie38 on June 05, 2019, 11:35:58 PM
For me it has to be between Hughton and Billic
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Post by: chipperclark on June 05, 2019, 11:51:09 PM
 :D Bilic any day of the week...always liked his managing style and the way he sets his teams up.
Thought he got a raw deal at West Ham. Would be fantastic if we get him in. ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on June 06, 2019, 01:16:35 AM
The managerial hunt has been a farce, further cementing my belief that Dowling isn’t the man to reinvigorate the club. Just like in January, he is faffing and dragging his feet, and much like January, I am expecting a pick that ends up failing after a long search. A Jacob Murphy appointment.

Bilic is a great pundit but his club management career has been underwhelming. Lee Bowyer has had 1 year in management where he managed to get promotion through the playoffs. His reputation as a man should be enough to put us off.

We have been looking for a manager for 3 months now and we have gone from one manager to the next, each time going cold when we realise everyone of our first choices don’t want to operate under our budget, while being bossed around by blokes who are incompetent.

I’m dreading this next season. The rebuild job is just too big for those in charge.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on June 06, 2019, 06:37:31 AM
The whole approach to this fiasco has been scattergun at best.
Instead of identifying the type of manager they want, approaching those managers and making them feel like they were the only one the club wanted, they have grabbed at every Tom, Dick and Slaven that's popped his head up.
I remember an interview with Ashworth a few years ago. In it  he said that the Albion always had their next managerial appointment identified even when they already had a manager in situ.
We really could do with another Dan Ashworth at the real Albion.
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 06, 2019, 06:59:30 AM
The managerial hunt has been a farce, further cementing my belief that Dowling isn’t the man to reinvigorate the club. Just like in January, he is faffing and dragging his feet, and much like January, I am expecting a pick that ends up failing after a long search. A Jacob Murphy appointment.

Bilic is a great pundit but his club management career has been underwhelming. Lee Bowyer has had 1 year in management where he managed to get promotion through the playoffs. His reputation as a man should be enough to put us off.

We have been looking for a manager for 3 months now and we have gone from one manager to the next, each time going cold when we realise everyone of our first choices don’t want to operate under our budget, while being bossed around by blokes who are incompetent.

I’m dreading this next season. The rebuild job is just too big for those in charge.

I think we need to give his a chance to be honest. We clearly do not know what pressures he is getting from both Jenkins and China, and it is apparent that whoever he appoints needs to be on the National Minimum Wage and fund any transfer activity from a big jar of buttons...........

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Post by: leeiswba on June 06, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
Did Pearson have any history at the club?

Can’t really remember if jenkinsnwas at the club back between 04-06 but I’m sure he probably keeps in touch with his mate Peace so if anything did happen then it may put the board off
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Post by: divinewind on June 06, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
Pearson has said that he didn't accept the job fulltime because he was Robson's assistant and he didn't want to be disloyal. He said he would be interested in it now and he always looked out for our results.
We won't give him an interview because it's a nodding dog we want, not someone with a mind and personality of his own.
He is a loose cannon but would probably get us up.
Of all the ones mentioned i would like Bilic, but we won't get him either.
We all know they tempt us with some names then give it to someone totally underwhelming.

Moore and Shan FFS.
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Post by: Albertbaggie on June 06, 2019, 07:36:19 AM
Pearson has said that he didn't accept the job fulltime because he was Robson's assistant and he didn't want to be disloyal. He said he would be interested in it now and he always looked out for our results.
We won't give him an interview because it's a nodding dog we want, not someone with a mind and personality of his own.
He is a loose cannon but would probably get us up.
Of all the ones mentioned i would like Bilic, but we won't get him either.
We all know they tempt us with some names then give it to someone totally underwhelming.

Moore and Shan FFS.
So why have they interviewed Bilic?
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 06, 2019, 07:50:34 AM
much like politics, everyones laughing at us
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AidantheBaggies on June 06, 2019, 07:50:56 AM
I actually dont get the panic from some of our fans, the players dont return for another 3 weeks! I'd rather the board take there time as this will be a crucial appointment. I dont see the fuss with Billic, he lost it towards his tenure at West Ham and his record with his latest club was poor to say the least.

I'd like a Bowyer, done a great job with very limited resources at Charlton and with an owner who went AWOL and has little interest in the club.......sounds familiar????
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Post by: tuamigos on June 06, 2019, 08:23:25 AM
I actually dont get the panic from some of our fans, the players dont return for another 3 weeks! I'd rather the board take there time as this will be a crucial appointment. I dont see the fuss with Billic, he lost it towards his tenure at West Ham and his record with his latest club was poor to say the least.

I'd like a Bowyer, done a great job with very limited resources at Charlton and with an owner who went AWOL and has little interest in the club.......sounds familiar????

I'm with you on that.
Providing they make the right appointment.
Problem is we all know it will be the cheapest appointment, unless they amaze us all!
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 06, 2019, 08:41:55 AM
much like politics, everyones laughing at us
from where I’m sat nobody cares about what’s going on at WBA. Most teams have their own scandals to complain about and fear being laughed at for.
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Post by: divinewind on June 06, 2019, 08:45:28 AM
So why have they interviewed Bilic?


Because we always tout "a name" to get the fans imaginations racing. The same when we are after players.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on June 06, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
much like politics, everyones laughing at us

Nobody's laughing at us, nobody really cares that much!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on June 06, 2019, 08:58:29 AM
Nobody's laughing at us, nobody really cares that much!

I would guess the Dingles and Vile are. I saw the writing was on the wall when we didn't appoint Dean Smith last summer and Vile did.
I said to my mate, we will miss out on auto, Vile will make the play offs and beat us and go up. I wish i wasn't right all the time.
Now two managers we could and should have gone for, Smith and Potter are in the Prem. You watch Neil and Johnson finish above us next season.
You won't see Darren Moore making headlines anytime soon. Learning the game my backside.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 06, 2019, 10:22:51 AM
I would guess the Dingles and Vile are. I saw the writing was on the wall when we didn't appoint Dean Smith last summer and Vile did.
I said to my mate, we will miss out on auto, Vile will make the play offs and beat us and go up. I wish i wasn't right all the time.
Now two managers we could and should have gone for, Smith and Potter are in the Prem. You watch Neil and Johnson finish above us next season.
You won't see Darren Moore making headlines anytime soon. Learning the game my backside.


tis what i meant to say
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Post by: alwaysbilly on June 06, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
I would guess the Dingles and Vile are. I saw the writing was on the wall when we didn't appoint Dean Smith last summer and Vile did.
I said to my mate, we will miss out on auto, Vile will make the play offs and beat us and go up. I wish i wasn't right all the time.
Now two managers we could and should have gone for, Smith and Potter are in the Prem. You watch Neil and Johnson finish above us next season.
You won't see Darren Moore making headlines anytime soon. Learning the game my backside.
But Jenkins wanted Smith by all accounts - it was lai who wanted and selected DM
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Post by: hardtobeat on June 06, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
What is becoming more apparent by the day is how utterly clueless the higher ups were,at the time of DM's sacking ! Clearly they had little or no idea of who they wanted or what type of head man they wanted or if they did no idea of how much it was going to cost. 3 months down the line and still apparently using an outdated scattergun is just ridiculous. Clearly people at the top are not fit for footballing purpose and must be replaced with someone with some knowledge of the workings of the industry and not glorified yes men and bean counters !!
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Post by: hardtobeat on June 06, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
But Jenkins wanted Smith by all accounts - it was lai who wanted and selected DM
If this were the case then surely any CEO with any moral fibre and confidence in his own ability would have resigned as he is being overruled purely on financial grounds , the very resin for his being at the club !!?
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Post by: Mister AT on June 06, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
I actually dont get the panic from some of our fans, the players dont return for another 3 weeks! I'd rather the board take there time as this will be a crucial appointment. I dont see the fuss with Billic, he lost it towards his tenure at West Ham and his record with his latest club was poor to say the least.

I'd like a Bowyer, done a great job with very limited resources at Charlton and with an owner who went AWOL and has little interest in the club.......sounds familiar????

But those 3 weeks could be spent assessing the current squad, finding out which players want to stay/can be kept, which players need to be moved on or don't want to be here, starting the process of speaking to new signings, getting in touch with agents and clubs to see what players are available, speaking to free agents who may be able to improve our current squad.

Granted the senior players wont be here to train, but there is plenty that needs to be done and the longer we go without a manager the harder its going to be for the new guy.

Just hope we all remember that if the results don't start the best and pressure starts to mount on him.
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 06, 2019, 10:43:15 AM
What is becoming more apparent by the day is how utterly clueless the higher ups were,at the time of DM's sacking ! Clearly they had little or no idea of who they wanted or what type of head man they wanted or if they did no idea of how much it was going to cost. 3 months down the line and still apparently using an outdated scattergun is just ridiculous. Clearly people at the top are not fit for footballing purpose and must be replaced with someone with some knowledge of the workings of the industry and not glorified yes men and bean counters !!

I assume by people at the top, you mean the key decision makers?

I believe, they would be the DoF, CEO & The Owner.

We know that the owner has an extremely limited knowledge of English Football, but Jenkins & Dowling have been in & around the game for some time & both will have networked with other English based Owners & Execs. so I'd imagine they would be pretty switched on.
It really depends on who is having the final say in the decision making process.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 06, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
I would guess the Dingles and Vile are. I saw the writing was on the wall when we didn't appoint Dean Smith last summer and Vile did.
I said to my mate, we will miss out on auto, Vile will make the play offs and beat us and go up. I wish i wasn't right all the time.
Now two managers we could and should have gone for, Smith and Potter are in the Prem. You watch Neil and Johnson finish above us next season.
You won't see Darren Moore making headlines anytime soon. Learning the game my backside.

Villa would have made the play-offs and had a good chance of winning them even if they had stuck with Bruce. Smith would obviously have been a better appointment than Moore but then most working managers would have been. I'm still not remotely bothered that the club didn't go for Smith.

What do Neil and Johnson have to with anything? Was an approach even made for Neil? Johnson is a Bristol City man through and through and has built a team capable of challenging for promotion. Bristol is also hardly a 'small' club, I doubt he'd even leave them at the moment for almost half the sides in the Prem.

As regards Potter, why should the club have gone for him? For finishing mid-table with a just relegated side full of ex-Premier league players? The jury is still very much out on him to say the least.

Jokanovic, Hughton and Pearson are out of work and IMO stronger candidates than any of those mentioned as well. Apart from Pearson how do we even now they would be interested in the job at all? As regards Bilic, he would be OK, but I'm not as enthused about him as I am about the other three.

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Post by: darbolina on June 06, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
I'm not sure Jenkins was over-ruled yb Lai and we'd never know unless he confirmed it. Ijust don't see Lai having any input other than at arms length. Last summer we were a huge mess, we had no football director, had got relegated, many players wanted out and DM seemed a safer pair of hands at the time after a late season run. Big parallels with Shan this summer really. This was proven to be short term thinking and 'let's hope for hope for the best' thinking in my opinion. DM was not the best candidate available to get us straight up as was proven.

I''ve got no problem with us being more deliberate this summer. We need a strong , bright (clever) manager who can reinvigorate us and win matches. Ashworth and Peace could spot them and hopefully Dowling has a better idea than Hammond, Burton or Teraneo did. Let's also hope he can convince the others (Jenkins) that they're worth paying for if they're at the more expensive end.

If it were my business and I was detached from emotion, I'd go for Hughton every day as the safest hands.

As a fan , I want someone will get us playing and winning in an attacking way so maybe not Hughton.  Just not sure of Bilic (could be a Pardew again).............

We're certainly talking to every available candidate so if we don't get it right this time, it's a very serious failing of Jenkins and Dowling's decision marking.
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 06, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
If this were the case then surely any CEO with any moral fibre and confidence in his own ability would have resigned as he is being overruled purely on financial grounds , the very resin for his being at the club !!?

Not necessarily, Chinese culture is very "family" driven, after DM's appointment there was a very pronounced "family" theme to the club.
Not sure Graeme Jones "jumping ship" helped DM's cause.
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Post by: hardtobeat on June 06, 2019, 11:03:08 AM
I assume by people at the top, you mean the key decision makers?

I believe, they would be the DoF, CEO & The Owner.

We know that the owner has an extremely limited knowledge of English Football, but Jenkins & Dowling have been in & around the game for some time & both will have networked with other English based Owners & Execs. so I'd imagine they would be pretty switched on.
It really depends on who is having the final say in the decision making process.
Clearly nobody is making positive decisions as we are well passed Dowling's own expected appointment date, not the only time he has made somewhat I'll considered comments !
 
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 06, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
I'm bored of the whole saga.

It seems that three months down the line following Moore's sacking, the club are no closer to knowing what they want.

There does not seem to be any particular pattern to the searches and I have no doubts that the Billic/Bowyer lines have been fed out by the club and are not the guesswork of journo's.

The new man should have been in place by now and setting the ground work for our pre-season planning with at least three quarters of an idea towards recruitment.

You have no idea who you will want to sign if you do not have any particular style that you're catering for.

Rubbish.
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Post by: KN22 on June 06, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
The passing of more and more time without an appointment being made is what is fuelling much of the frustration. I feel it myself I openly admit. However, not until we finally find out who gets the role can we make a judgement in my opinion. I would like Bilic of the names mentioned. He at least tries to play open attractive football and I recall that his West Ham played very well in the big league. Hughton is a safer pair of hands for sure but I feel we would not like what we saw if he gets the gig.
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Post by: SmethDan on June 06, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
I'm bored of the whole saga................

Me too, it's got to the point where I don't even bother opening this thread any more.......
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Post by: lewisant on June 06, 2019, 12:52:35 PM
Me too, it's got to the point where I don't even bother opening this thread any more.......

I don't even post on it anymore...
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Post by: SmethDan on June 06, 2019, 12:54:28 PM
I don't even post on it anymore...

Nor me chap.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 06, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
I've really reduced how many times a day I check this thread. I have gone from every 2 minutes to every 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on June 06, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
I've really reduced how many times a day I check this thread. I have gone from every 2 minutes to every 5 minutes.

Is that it?! Very conservative
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Post by: Albionic on June 06, 2019, 01:03:01 PM
March the 9th this thread was started !
89 days ago ! 

Shambolic !     (The club not the thread)

Mr Lai, must be questioning what his "team" are playing at !  I would not be surprised if heads roll because of this!
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 06, 2019, 01:07:21 PM
And the club site has not mentioned a single thing. Jenkins et al should have put a statement or two on there by now. So spineless as well as clueless it would appear.

When you have hardly any players and a board that doesn't seem to give a flying one, what's left of the club? Us. That's all.
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Post by: Pie on June 06, 2019, 01:10:14 PM
And the club site has not mentioned a single thing. Jenkins et al should have put a statement or two on there by now. So spineless as well as clueless it would appear.

When you have hardly any players and a board that doesn't seem to give a flying one, what's left of the club? Us. That's all.

This is a weird one as last summer it seemed as though the club was getting it's act together regarding keeping fans updated as much as reasonably possible. Now we are back to radio silence.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 06, 2019, 01:11:46 PM
And the club site has not mentioned a single thing. Jenkins et al should have put a statement or two on there by now. So spineless as well as clueless it would appear.

When you have hardly any players and a board that doesn't seem to give a flying one, what's left of the club? Us. That's all.

In fairness to them - its hard to put out a statement if you do not know what you're doing  :D
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Post by: Throstletown on June 06, 2019, 01:58:23 PM
The Albion way is to employ at the last minute I think it’s there way of not paying staff during the holiday periods. Penny pinching
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 06, 2019, 02:05:30 PM
Nor me chap.

Subtle humour Dan  - I got it ;D
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 06, 2019, 02:20:34 PM
To be fair they are quite busy, they’re interviewing one every ten minutes at the moment.
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Post by: Albionic on June 06, 2019, 02:22:40 PM
Subtle humour Dan  - I got it ;D

Think you may be talking to yourself matey!
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 06, 2019, 02:29:01 PM
Flores the latest name, the press are getting desperate they’ve nearly everyone covered now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 06, 2019, 02:33:03 PM
Don't despair - only another 104 to be interviewed.
Down to 103 now
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 06, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
I'm with you on that.
Providing they make the right appointment.
Problem is we all know it will be the cheapest appointment, unless they amaze us all!
But what is the right appointment? It won’t matter who it is, because our fanbase will be split with the decision. Just look at this thread and all the preconceived ideas of the names mentioned. We’ve got loose canons, safe hands, foreign idealists, ex-players, cheap options, etc. It could be same problem at board level. No strong headed individual standing up and making a decision. That could be the reason that it’s taking so long to make a decision. I don’t know. I know as much as the next person. Which is nothing. I do know this though. I’d hate to be the guy that has to make it.
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 06, 2019, 03:06:48 PM
With the current vogue for German managers, I am sure the powers that be will be interviewing Markus Kay this week, reading an article about him on BBC Sport, I am sure he will tick a lot of boxes for the board, and his style of management in his last game will fit in perfectly with the dynamism of our board. :)
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Post by: SmethDan on June 06, 2019, 03:10:57 PM
Something fishy's going on.

I've got a funny feeling it's going to be a real left field outsider like Tommy Brown.

If so I hope he brings Billy with him, we've had our chips otherwise......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8EvSZ5HQfI
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 06, 2019, 03:26:21 PM
Round and round the bottle spins; where it stops nobody knows.  ;D
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 06, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
Something fishy's going on.

I've got a funny feeling it's going to be a real left field outsider like Tommy Brown.

If so I hope he brings Billy with him, we've had our chips otherwise......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8EvSZ5HQfI

He was particularly impressed when hearing that locals often caught a ‘whale” when fishing in the cut.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 06, 2019, 04:29:12 PM
I too am becoming a little bored with the proceedings but to play devils advocate, it's worth pointing out that since the play-off defeat on the 14th we haven't been looking for a new manager for much longer than both Middlesbrough and Swansea.

Albion - 23 days without manager
Middlesbrough - 21 days without manager
Swansea -  17 days without manager

In fact, Middlesbrough have been aware which division they were going to be in since the 5th of May, which is 31 days and they are still searching for their next boss.

In the meantime reports suggest the current leading contender for the Swansea job is apparently the England under 17 coach, I can't imagine their fans being any more happy with a strong link to someone so inexperienced than ours.

So we're certainly not the only Championship club operating a conservative approach in our managerial search.
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Post by: Mr Cynical on June 06, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
I too am becoming a little bored with the proceedings but to play devils advocate, it's worth pointing out that since the play-off defeat on the 14th we haven't been looking for a new manager for much longer than both Middlesbrough and Swansea.

Albion - 23 days without manager
Middlesbrough - 21 days without manager
Swansea -  17 days without manager

In fact, Middlesbrough have been aware which division they were going to be in since the 5th of May, which is 31 days and they are still searching for their next boss.

In the meantime reports suggest the current leading contender for the Swansea job is apparently the England under 17 coach, I can't imagine their fans being any more happy with a strong link to someone so inexperienced than ours.

So we're certainly not the only Championship club operating a conservative approach in our managerial search.

Except they always said Shan was an interim manager... so we've been looking for a new manager since the 9th March (89 days ago).  OK, we may have known what division we'd be in, but prepare properly and have 2 lists ready to go.  There is nothing that illustrates the kind of manager they are looking for, or what criteria they are applying.  It's totally scattergun.  We have failed to prepare.
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Post by: 17GD on June 06, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
Except they always said Shan was an interim manager... so we've been looking for a new manager since the 9th March (89 days ago).  OK, we may have known what division we'd be in, but prepare properly and have 2 lists ready to go.  There is nothing that illustrates the kind of manager they are looking for, or what criteria they are applying.  It's totally scattergun.  We have failed to prepare.

And as the old saying goes if you fail to prepare then you're preparing to fail.

Personally, I don't see why managers aren't keen on it. Ok, money is likely to be the key issue, but this in an opportunity to build a squad from scratch and really put your own stamp on the club. The playing staff is literally bare bones, we're down to 17 players, but are still likely to lose Dawson, Gibbs, Jrod and possibly others.

And of course one of the other problems with taking time to appoint is available players. Wait too long and the best are snapped up. We'll be left with the HRK signings.
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Post by: NathWBA on June 06, 2019, 05:06:24 PM
Why would we start looking for a head coach over two months after we sacked the last one?

Even a club run as laughably bad as West Brom has been in recent years wouldn’t be THAT insane and stupid*

*Laughs nervously
I imagine the managerial targets were dependant on what league were going to be in hence the search didn’t commence straight away.
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Post by: NJS on June 06, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
With the current vogue for German managers, I am sure the powers that be will be interviewing Markus Kay this week, reading an article about him on BBC Sport, I am sure he will tick a lot of boxes for the board, and his style of management in his last game will fit in perfectly with the dynamism of our board. :)

Well Mrs Merkle is standing down; we're just waiting that's all.

Personally I think that most of these next manager rumours are being put about by managers' agents and journos desperate to have something to write about.  Don't want to spread paranoia but it's possible some writing to this thread are spreading them as well.

Soz Angela, Frau Merkle that is.
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Post by: gerry m on June 06, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
Well Mrs Merkle is standing down; we're just waiting that's all.

Personally I think that most of these next manager rumours are being put about by managers' agents and journos desperate to have something to write about.  Don't want to spread paranoia but it's possible some writing to this thread are spreading them as well.

Soz Angela, Frau Merkle that is.

You may not be too far away from the truth mate!
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Post by: Mo on June 06, 2019, 05:30:52 PM
Had Nigel Cloughs name suggested to me today I nearly choked on my sandwich.
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Post by: Pie on June 06, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
Heard from someone that works at the training ground that Slavan was there today.

Not sure how reliable the information is.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 06, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
I'm not concerned by the variety of types of coaches, I wouldn't trust Dowling and Jenkins to decide our future path anyway, what I am hoping is that all these different managers are being asked to sell their vision for what Albion's future should look like playing wise and then the gormless decision makers will decide based who fits best on our financial model leaving the football decisions up to whomever they hire. What I am concerned about is the time it is all taking.
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Post by: Dan on June 06, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
I don't really see the issue or why we have to only interview coaches of a select style.

At least half the squad will be different next season anyway, and regardless a good manager can mold a squad into a different style. Nothing about Leeds under Heckingbottom suggested they would be a good fit for Bielsa's style and yet it was pretty much the same squad.

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Post by: overseas baggie on June 06, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Had Nigel Cloughs name suggested to me today I nearly choked on my sandwich.

He was between Sol Campbell and Chris Coleman.  Interviewing all the Cs should be done by tomorrow night.
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Post by: gazberg on June 06, 2019, 08:03:43 PM
He was between Sol Campbell and Chris Coleman.  Interviewing all the Cs should be done by tomorrow night.

Fantastic. With the C's done i will be interested to see what Iain Dowie has got to say for himself over the weekend then.
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Post by: telford baggie on June 06, 2019, 08:08:53 PM
Heard from someone that works at the training ground that Slavan was there today.

Not sure how reliable the information is.
probably trying to sign him as a player
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 06, 2019, 08:30:47 PM
Is it Weds or Thursday we will be interviewing Irvine again?
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Post by: alwaysbilly on June 06, 2019, 08:44:59 PM
Is it Weds or Thursday we will be interviewing Irvine again?
Ince and Irvine pencilled in next week, after Hughes and Hughton
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 06, 2019, 08:49:28 PM
Ince and Irvine pencilled in next week, after Hughes and Hughton
You’ve forgotten 'Harry'.
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 06, 2019, 08:55:44 PM
Except they always said Shan was an interim manager... so we've been looking for a new manager since the 9th March (89 days ago).  OK, we may have known what division we'd be in, but prepare properly and have 2 lists ready to go.  There is nothing that illustrates the kind of manager they are looking for, or what criteria they are applying.  It's totally scattergun.  We have failed to prepare.

Bang on the money. Hughton plays Pulisball, Labbadia and Bilic are both more free flowing every day a new name is added. Why bother wasting time and resources on Wilder when he was a boyhood blade and completed the double promotion. Yeah they have a court case but thats been going years longer than when Wilder took the job. 90 days this has gone on. 24 odd days more than that is left in the window. A window, that basically we need to rebuild the squad. That's what I find disturbing If they can't choose the basic foundation after 3 months are suddenly going to do that in a sht and a rush No club is too big to fail. Both Sheffield clubs leeds and sunderland have all done it. The board are our custodians I can't say i trust them. Still waiting to interview Flores and bowyer after them  i wonder what other names they'll pull from their collective rectums 
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 06, 2019, 09:07:26 PM
Can we please ban the word Irvine from this thread, I've only just stopped my treatment.
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Post by: Baggie79 on June 06, 2019, 09:34:21 PM
I might be on my own but I would rather we appoint the correct manager and not the quick one that appeases people.
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Post by: lewisant on June 06, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
I might be on my own but I would rather we appoint the correct manager and not the quick one that appeases people.

Definitely not on your own, however i think there's a big difference here between a quick appointment and one where we appear to be taking too long.
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Post by: adamw1109 on June 06, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
I might be on my own but I would rather we appoint the correct manager and not the quick one that appeases people.

You've been a supporter long enough now you should know it's a very slim chance of it being quick or correct!
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 06, 2019, 10:11:31 PM
Fantastic. With the C's done i will be interested to see what Iain Dowie has got to say for himself over the weekend then.

Dowie has to wait his turn.  Billy Davies is before him.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 06, 2019, 10:29:06 PM
Dowie has to wait his turn.  Billy Davies is before him.
Lets be thankful that Zinedine Zidane has just returned to Madrid.  :D
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Post by: gazberg on June 06, 2019, 10:53:26 PM
Dowie has to wait his turn.  Billy Davies is before him.

Oh jeez I forgot about him  :D
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Post by: hardtobeat on June 06, 2019, 10:53:46 PM
Except they always said Shan was an interim manager... so we've been looking for a new manager since the 9th March (89 days ago).  OK, we may have known what division we'd be in, but prepare properly and have 2 lists ready to go.  There is nothing that illustrates the kind of manager they are looking for, or what criteria they are applying.  It's totally scattergun.  We have failed to prepare.
Failure to prepare = prepare to fail !!
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Post by: alex1 on June 06, 2019, 11:03:35 PM
Dowie has to wait his turn.  Billy Davies is before him.

You missed out John Carver.
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Post by: gazberg on June 06, 2019, 11:12:40 PM
As long as Terry Connor gets his interview I'll be happy, ex dingle association aside.
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Post by: BalisPen on June 07, 2019, 02:37:22 AM
Is Joe Kinnear still alive?
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Post by: Albionic on June 07, 2019, 09:43:18 AM
Day 90 in the west bromwich mad hoos !

Daws is gooing over the wall (again)
Lai the inscrootable is still maintainin his vow of silence
While The find the manager game continues with nae sign ov a winner

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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 07, 2019, 09:48:51 AM
Well we're still laughing! Admittedly through gritted teeth.
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Post by: lewisant on June 07, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/)

The Perce has spoken! Whoever said Bilic was at the training ground yesterday was correct.
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Post by: phbaggies on June 07, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/)

The Perce has spoken! Whoever said Bilic was at the training ground yesterday was correct.
Got a feeling it will be put to bed today, pointless having a third round of talks, no one ever has a third interview do they!?!
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Post by: Atomic on June 07, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
Got a feeling it will be put to bed today, pointless having a third round of talks, no one ever has a third interview do they!?!


This is Albion we're talking about.
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Post by: miggybaggy on June 07, 2019, 10:13:17 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/)

The Perce has spoken! Whoever said Bilic was at the training ground yesterday was correct.

Sounds promising. Hopefully, he'll be given funds to recruit young attack-minded midfielders with fire in their bellies....what we've been lacking for three years or more IMO.
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Post by: phbaggies on June 07, 2019, 10:29:20 AM

This is Albion we're talking about.
Im guessing all that can happen now is the goal posts are moved last minute on contract details and deal collapses OR we finally actually get a new gaffer!
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Post by: wba1993dave on June 07, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
Happy with Bilic. A big name who can attract decent players. How much for Modric ?.  ;D
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Post by: Albionic on June 07, 2019, 10:43:07 AM
Have to say that i would be chuffed with this, I was advocating Bilic when we made the Pardew error.

West brom and "characters" go hand in hand IMO.
Willie / Scharner / Big ron .......
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Post by: Pie on June 07, 2019, 10:58:02 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/07/slaven-bilic-emerging-favourite-west-brom-job-second-round-talks/)

The Perce has spoken! Whoever said Bilic was at the training ground yesterday was correct.

Call me ITK  :P
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Post by: BB74 on June 07, 2019, 11:30:33 AM
Naa, I don't believe it and I fully expect Appleton to get the gig as the boards number 1 and unanimous choice after an extensive search.
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Post by: 17GD on June 07, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
I would be very happy if Bilic gets the job. After the media surrounding this I'll be very angry if almost anyone else the job suddenly.

As said, you can't have two rounds of talks with someone and then not sign them. The first round would have included discussions on style, funds, expectations and contract requirements. The second round would be similar but in more depth.

It all sounds very promising and if he gets the job we could attract some decent players. Fail to land him and I fear we'll be in a relegation scrap next season.
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Post by: divinewind on June 07, 2019, 12:08:57 PM
I think the Bilic article is just rehashed news. He had the second interview days ago.
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Post by: phbaggies on June 07, 2019, 12:10:46 PM
I think the Bilic article is just rehashed news. He had the second interview days ago.
The article states he was at the training ground for the talks yesterday, and its The Perce so pretty solid rather than rehashed I would suggest.....
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Post by: jonny on June 07, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
Will it be worth the wait??
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Post by: divinewind on June 07, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
The article states he was at the training ground for the talks yesterday, and its The Perce so pretty solid rather than rehashed I would suggest.....

Fingers crossed then. I would prefer Bilic out of all the names we have been linked with.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 07, 2019, 12:26:17 PM
I would be very happy if Bilic gets the job. After the media surrounding this I'll be very angry if almost anyone else the job suddenly.

As said, you can't have two rounds of talks with someone and then not sign them. The first round would have included discussions on style, funds, expectations and contract requirements. The second round would be similar but in more depth.

It all sounds very promising and if he gets the job we could attract some decent players. Fail to land him and I fear we'll be in a relegation scrap next season.

Yes, it certainly does look like the club is facing a binary choice between either appointing Bilic or facing a relegation battle next season.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 07, 2019, 12:43:08 PM
Wanted Jokanovic, but would be equally as pleased with Bilic.

And to be fair, I think most of the candidates we have been linked with and interviewed would be an upgrade, to an extent, on our last three previous Head Coaches (sorry Darren).
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 07, 2019, 12:46:53 PM
If you are offering me Bilic over the likes of Bowyer, Appleton et al I would snatch your hand off.
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Post by: gazberg on June 07, 2019, 01:00:14 PM
Just saw this on Twitter from a BEin Sports reporter  Tancredi Palmeri. Verified account , official acccount 180k followers.

"How do you say West Bromwich in Portuguese? WBA in talks with surprise candidate Rui Almeida from Troyes for managerial role. Meeting already took place and he is in final shortlist. Finished 3rd in Ligue2"
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 07, 2019, 01:01:43 PM
I am waiting for the sting in the tail message that ends the interest in Bilic..... been here before 😔
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Post by: Atomic on June 07, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Just saw this on Twitter from a BEin Sports reporter  Tancredi Palmeri. Verified account , official acccount 180k followers.

"How do you say West Bromwich in Portuguese? WBA in talks with surprise candidate Rui Almeida from Troyes for managerial role. Meeting already took place and he is in final shortlist. Finished 3rd in Ligue2"


If that is the case these talks must've been a few days ago. Perfectly possible. I'd say things will have moved on from this though.

Still, with Albion, who knows?
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 07, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
If Bilic is appointed, it begs the question why he wasn’t appointed a lot sooner as he has been a free agent since February, it’s mind boggling, but it is Albion  ;D
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Post by: SirTonyM on June 07, 2019, 01:09:36 PM
If Bilic is appointed, it begs the question why he wasn’t appointed a lot sooner as he has been a free agent since February, it’s mind boggling, but it is Albion  ;D

People change their minds...
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Post by: tuamigos on June 07, 2019, 01:10:24 PM
If Bilic is appointed, it begs the question why he wasn’t appointed a lot sooner as he has been a free agent since February, it’s mind boggling, but it is Albion  ;D

Simple answer: They would have had to pay him
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 07, 2019, 01:14:20 PM
Simple answer: They would have had to pay him

I think that the £170m from promotion would just about have covered it, probably
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 07, 2019, 01:15:09 PM
People change their minds...

Who changed their mind? Is there a link to that story?
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Post by: gazberg on June 07, 2019, 01:16:01 PM

If that is the case these talks must've been a few days ago. Perfectly possible. I'd say things will have moved on from this though.

Still, with Albion, who knows?

True perhaps he was one of the unnamed parties. I think and hope it will all be done with by Monday. We need to get cracking.
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Post by: baggie53 on June 07, 2019, 01:18:38 PM

"How do you say West Bromwich in Portuguese? WBA in talks with surprise candidate Rui Almeida from Troyes for managerial role. Meeting already took place and he is in final shortlist. Finished 3rd in Ligue2"

I thought we had gone through all the "A" candidates  :o
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Post by: 17GD on June 07, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
Yes, it certainly does look like the club is facing a binary choice between either appointing Bilic or facing a relegation battle next season.

Tone is hard to grasp in text, so apologies if you're being genuine. But in my opinion, Slaven would be an excellent appointment and could attract some good players. But If we suddenly change course and appoint another Alan Irvine out of leftfield then I truly believe we won't be able to bring in true quality. We only got 4th because of Gayle/Rodriguezs goals and Barnes earlier contribution. 2 of 3 are gone and the third will likely leave too. I'm not convinced we can replace 50 goals with the funds we have, especially if potential signings think we have no ambition.
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Post by: paulosull on June 07, 2019, 01:36:07 PM
Bilic did a good job when he was in charge of Croatia and plays attractive football which is a plus. Out of all the candidates mentioned I'd be delighted if he was appointed as he's played and managed in England so should have idea on players he wants.
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Post by: divinewind on June 07, 2019, 01:40:47 PM
Bilic did a good job when he was in charge of Croatia and plays attractive football which is a plus. Out of all the candidates mentioned I'd be delighted if he was appointed as he's played and managed in England so should have idea on players he wants.

He will also have knowledge of the european leagues and we could pick up some bargains. He is also very passionate and a bit eccentric. He ticks all the boxes for me.
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Post by: gazberg on June 07, 2019, 02:16:13 PM
Bilic is.my preferred candidate too. Sign him up.
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Post by: charlebaggie on June 07, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Slavan in .Andy Carroll a cert to follow  :D
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Post by: Standaman on June 07, 2019, 02:34:22 PM
I think the "why didn't we appoint whoever in March line?" Might be answered because Bilic or any other potential candidate might have been a little bit wary of taking over a out of form team at the tail end of the season with very little time to work with them. Equally the squad would be broken up at the end of the season so they would starting from scratch but with the potential millstone of the end of season "failure" hanging round there necks. Overall not an attractive proposition particularly for a coach who will have alternatives come the end of the European season.

Specifically in Bilic's case he seems to have interests outside of football and while he has made a very good living from the game does not strike me as the type of person that will go to hell to squeeze the last pound out of it As such he could simply want some time off the management treadmill. 

While we seem to be pursuing Bilic and I hope we land him I don't see it in quite the stark terms of appoint Bilic or it's league one for us. Equally I am not pinning any hopes on Bilic or any other coach bringing much to the table with regard to recruitment. Yes their philosophy and tactical approach will underpin everything we do (hopefully) but the targets will be those that the club has scouted already for the most part.
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Post by: richjonawba on June 07, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
I think the "why didn't we appoint whoever in March line?" Might be answered because Bilic or any other potential candidate might have been a little bit wary of taking over a out of form team at the tail end of the season with very little time to work with them. Equally the squad would be broken up at the end of the season so they would starting from scratch but with the potential millstone of the end of season "failure" hanging round there necks. Overall not an attractive proposition particularly for a coach who will have alternatives come the end of the European season.

Specifically in Bilic's case he seems to have interests outside of football and while he has made a very good living from the game does not strike me as the type of person that will go to hell to squeeze the last pound out of it As such he could simply want some time off the management treadmill. 

While we seem to be pursuing Bilic and I hope we land him I don't see it in quite the stark terms of appoint Bilic or it's league one for us. Equally I am not pinning any hopes on Bilic or any other coach bringing much to the table with regard to recruitment. Yes their philosophy and tactical approach will underpin everything we do (hopefully) but the targets will be those that the club has scouted already for the most part.

His previous job in Saudi Arabia surely suggests otherwise
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Post by: Albionic on June 07, 2019, 02:47:31 PM
My opinions
+ Experience in Croatia / Russia / Turkey / Saudi / UK
+ I imagine he has a good knowledge of players from markets which we have not tapped into previously.
+ He has a good knowledge of UK football
+ He has a reputation for playing attractive football
+++ Along with his native Croatian, Bilić is fluent in German, Italian and English, while he also holds a degree in law. The man is no fool !!

- when WHUFC started losing he struggled to arrest the slide
- may be prone to being dogmatic
- a bit of a maverick which will not fit well with the chinese who are generally very conservative

I would employ him tomorrow, wether our circumstances are such that he can deal with, its impossible to say, but he is by far and away the best option I have seen linked.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 07, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
BeIN Reporter Trancedi Palmeri has linked Portuguese manager Rui Almeida from Troyes. Matt Wilson has heard the name linked as well but doesn’t think we have persued.
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Post by: Westie on June 07, 2019, 03:02:21 PM
I would be excited by the appointment of Bilic but would be very surprised if he came to us. I think that he would want a big say in player recruitment and other team/management matters and I can’t see our board giving that to him.
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Post by: seteefeet on June 07, 2019, 03:19:19 PM
I would be excited by the appointment of Bilic but would be very surprised if he came to us. I think that he would want a big say in player recruitment and other team/management matters and I can’t see our board giving that to him.
Managerial autonomy is rare these days so I think working with a DoF is virtually inevitable, therefore,I see no reason why Bilic is unlikely, I think we are a good fit. His stock is not that high after the Saudi experiment and we are still a good proposition and will certainly be one of the favourites for promotion next season. If he can get that done he will either get another crack at the Prem with us or will have re-established himself enough to tempt bigger clubs.
I've backed us at 10/1 as I think this may drop once he is appointed.  8)
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Post by: Mister AT on June 07, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
Slavan in .Andy Carroll a cert to follow  :D

A fully fit Carroll in the championship would be an absolute beast.

I imagine he was on silly money at West Ham though and if we weren't willing to offer Gayle good money there is no chance of us signing Carroll.
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Post by: tommcneill on June 07, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Carroll is on double what Gayle wants so thats not even an option im afraid

The only link to Carroll is because Bilic may join us, but he wont be signing him
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Post by: Westie on June 07, 2019, 03:30:07 PM
Not finding the money to retain our top scorer for a really crucial season sends out a message that will not be lost on potential managers (sorry, head coaches).

By the way, do the Chinese believe in equal pay for women? I bet they don’t, so maybe Jenkins will suggest to Lai that we appoint the first female head coach in the EFL; it would cost so much less and generate so much publicity!
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Post by: kc56wba on June 07, 2019, 03:38:10 PM
Is this a new name in the pot? Stephen Kenny Ireland U21 coach, some rumour's I am hearing.
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Post by: ronnie_allen on June 07, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Is this a new name in the pot? Stephen Kenny Ireland U21 coach, some rumour's I am hearing.

Haven't heard anything over in Ireland. Is due to take over the managerial reign of the senior Irish team from Mick McCarthy after the European Championships next year. Would doubt he be prepared to break that and wouldn't be overly keen despite his success with Dundalk in the Irish League and more pertinently in Europe.
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 07, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
I really hope its Bilic and have read a lot about his dealings in the transfer market have not been that successful, having said that he probably wouldn't get total control with the set up we have which probably wouldn't bother him that much.
Forget Carroll he was on £90K a week at West Ham he won't come for peanuts.
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Post by: gerry m on June 07, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
I might be on my own but I would rather we appoint the correct manager and not the quick one that appeases people.

Sorry you spelled cheap wrongly!
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Post by: Baggies on June 07, 2019, 05:52:15 PM
I'm really not enthusiastic about Bilic. Feels like we are going for a name rather than picking somebody who has shown signs he could oversee the rebuild at the club.

Bilic had a good time in charge of Croatia but that is international football, and Croatia have done pretty well since he left as well.

His time at Locomotiv Moscow and Al Ittihad was very poor and he didn't pull up trees at either Besiktas or West Ham (Besiktas won the title 2 years on trot after he left but he couldn't crack the top 2 in his time there).

Nothing he has done in his last 4 jobs suggests he is somebody who could reinvigorate us.
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Post by: paulosull on June 07, 2019, 05:58:47 PM
Haven't heard anything over in Ireland. Is due to take over the managerial reign of the senior Irish team from Mick McCarthy after the European Championships next year. Would doubt he be prepared to break that and wouldn't be overly keen despite his success with Dundalk in the Irish League and more pertinently in Europe.
did he manage hibs, sure he got the bullet?
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Post by: gerry m on June 07, 2019, 06:14:53 PM
Just went on Oddschecker and Slaven Bilic is 1/5 on.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/manager-specials/west-brom/manager-first-league-game-2019-20-season
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 07, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
Carroll is on double what Gayle wants so thats not even an option im afraid

The only link to Carroll is because Bilic may join us, but he wont be signing him

He'll be on nowt at the end of the month. Very much doubt we would go there even if Bilic comes given his injury record but then nothing would surprise me anymore.
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Post by: SirTonyM on June 07, 2019, 06:57:22 PM
I really hope its Bilic and have read a lot about his dealings in the transfer market have not been that successful, having said that he probably wouldn't get total control with the set up we have which probably wouldn't bother him that much.
Forget Carroll he was on £90K a week at West Ham he won't come for peanuts.

The Bilic transfers that everyone says are poor are a mixed bag like most managers.
He signed - Payet, Lanzini, Arnautovic, Antonio, Snodgrass, Javier Hernandez who all worked out well for West Ham and some are still regulars in the first team under Pellegrini.
Also worth considering the owners at West Ham and their involvement in some of the transfer dealings...
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 07, 2019, 07:35:53 PM
I really hope its Bilic and have read a lot about his dealings in the transfer market have not been that successful, having said that he probably wouldn't get total control with the set up we have which probably wouldn't bother him that much.
Forget Carroll he was on £90K a week at West Ham he won't come for peanuts.
Me too, he's still young for a manager, ambitious but grounded, clever but humble, likes good footy, doesn't seem like an egomaniac but tough enough to face down any moaners, if he likes the look of us for his comeback project, what's not to go for????

Carroll can go take a flying f*** at a rolling donut, wouldn't want him here.
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Post by: adamw1109 on June 07, 2019, 10:13:49 PM
He'll be on nowt at the end of the month. Very much doubt we would go there even if Bilic comes given his injury record but then nothing would surprise me anymore.

Strong injury record and getting on in terms of age... think we have found our perfect match!
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Post by: kanu on June 07, 2019, 10:43:10 PM
Like many of us I also hope it’s Bilic. I think he’d be great and hope he gets a 3 year deal and is allowed to see it out, regardless of whether he gets us top 6 next year or not. However I think it’ll be someone else, probably Hughton. Whilst I reckon Dowling would prefer Bilic,  I think Hughton is morea Jenkins type of appointment. Steady eddy, will stick to tried and trusted British players and more importantly won’t answer Jenkins back. That said I’ll keep pressing the refresh button on newsnow in the hope that it is Bilic.
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Post by: lewisant on June 07, 2019, 10:53:53 PM
The latest article from Matt Wilson is worrying. Still have terms and incentives for promotion to agree. So pay basically.
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Post by: KN22 on June 07, 2019, 11:55:33 PM
Get it done Albion. Big summer ahead as we all know so need a guy at the helm sooner than later. It’s a gamble of course but I think he would make a great choice.
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Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on June 08, 2019, 04:36:23 AM
The latest article from Matt Wilson is worrying. Still have terms and incentives for promotion to agree. So pay basically.

If we have tried to sell him the club before talking terms the chances have quite probably tumbled, about 30% chance of it happening I would reckon.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 08, 2019, 06:37:19 AM
Too much talking for my liking.
Either we want him or we don't:.......... i.e. Pay him or move on.
Either he want's the job or he doesn't:..........i.e. you know the terms and conditions, still interested or not?
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Post by: koren on June 08, 2019, 07:25:41 AM
The latest article from Matt Wilson is worrying. Still have terms and incentives for promotion to agree. So pay basically.
Few days later we will read this.

"Slaven Bilic has fallen down the pecking order and is now unlikely to be appointed." lol
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 08, 2019, 08:11:56 AM
The latest article from Matt Wilson is worrying. Still have terms and incentives for promotion to agree. So pay basically.

Just read Matt's article, it does look as though pay is an issue, but Matt also says the UK board have to get the owners' approval.
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 08, 2019, 08:17:12 AM
The pay for managers is becoming a reall thorn, most of them missed out on the really big bucks of the last ten years as players so they might want to make up for that, but I think a bigger problem is if journeymen like HRK are on 30 grand a week or whatever, they will need significantly more than that to command any sort of respect in the dressing room
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Post by: frazzle on June 08, 2019, 08:22:37 AM
Not that fussed about Bilic. I know he has been decent but for some reason it just doesn’t feel like a good fit to me.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on June 08, 2019, 08:50:15 AM
I have a feeling the club will announce someone totally out of the blue - not Bilic or anyone they have spoken to or we have heard rumors about.

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Post by: Albionic on June 08, 2019, 08:50:34 AM
Day 91 in the West Brom mad hoos

A case of premature expectations is running rampant in the hoos
Lai the inscrutable is still in hiding
Jenkins is in the diary room writing Dear fan letters
Meanwhile the scattergun has gone into the calibration shop to widen the target area
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 08, 2019, 08:54:31 AM
I have a feeling the club will announce someone totally out of the blue - not Bilic or anyone they have spoken to or we have heard rumors about.

That will be Appleton then......
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 08, 2019, 09:02:40 AM
I have a feeling the club will announce someone totally out of the blue - not Bilic or anyone they have spoken to or we have heard rumors about.

I think the owner will be persuaded to pay the £5/6 million needed for the head coach's contract.
Think Bilic will be announced in the next few days.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 08, 2019, 09:06:44 AM
Just read Matt's article, it does look as though pay is an issue, but Matt also says the UK board have to get the owners' approval.

I suspect the UK board has been given a salary budget for the new manager and what it will take to secure Bilic exceeds that budget, so shareholder approval is needed.  They are probably fed up of having to pay off sacked managers, so that’s understandable.
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Post by: baggie96 on June 08, 2019, 09:18:35 AM
There won’t be a problem with wages, Bilic will be who lai wants. Remember the below article after we sacked Pulis - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/23/slaven-bilic-rejects-chance-become-west-broms-new-manager/amp/

I imagine lai has links with Bilic somehow. Also Bilic’s old club have announced he has signed for us on twitter. Not sure if the know something we don’t.
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Post by: colinmax on June 08, 2019, 09:59:49 AM
There must be several people who have applied for the job(hopefully including young up and coming managers from the lower leagues who would know the good promising players there)plus the ones we have approached.I only hope they don't panic because this on going saga is getting ridiculous and appoint the wrong man.
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Post by: sammyg on June 08, 2019, 10:17:33 AM
There won’t be a problem with wages, Bilic will be who lai wants. Remember the below article after we sacked Pulis - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/23/slaven-bilic-rejects-chance-become-west-broms-new-manager/amp/

I imagine lai has links with Bilic somehow. Also Bilic’s old club have announced he has signed for us on twitter. Not sure if the know something we don’t.


Who?
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Post by: baggie96 on June 08, 2019, 10:23:55 AM

Who?

Just had another look and can’t see it now, the page had 1.4m followers so assumed it was legit.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 08, 2019, 11:15:30 AM
Sure Nigel Adkins was mentioned somewhere on this thread, well he's just left Hull but further talks are expected between him and Hull
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Post by: Standaman on June 08, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Sure Nigel Adkins was mentioned somewhere on this thread, well he's just left Hull but further talks are expected between him and Hull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48567210

Looks to be a definite parting of the ways. To be honest if his name was under consideration then I would have expected it have cropped up in the press not a difficult link to make.
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Post by: wba1993dave on June 08, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
We Could do a lot worse than Adkins.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 08, 2019, 12:01:32 PM
Adkins fits in with us researching the A to C headings of managers - Bilic, Bruno, Appleton, Cowley,  ;D
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Post by: Chipperfan on June 08, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
We Could do a lot worse than Adkins.
And have done so, regularly.
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 08, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
We Could do a lot worse than Adkins.
think we could do better though, he's a bit Irvine-y.
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Post by: BaggieBoy04 on June 08, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
I've heard rumours Billic could be our next Manager would be like the ex Fulham manager get us promoted then leave us fighting for survival
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Post by: Mo on June 08, 2019, 12:18:39 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48567210

Looks to be a definite parting of the ways. To be honest if his name was under consideration then I would have expected it have cropped up in the press not a difficult link to make.

I had bet on him 3 weeks ago ticks a lot of boxes noticed he was out of contract would be surprised if we haven’t spoken to him
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Post by: lewisant on June 08, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
I've heard rumours Billic could be our next Manager would be like the ex Fulham manager get us promoted then leave us fighting for survival

where have you heard these ??
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2019, 12:22:55 PM
I've heard rumours Billic could be our next Manager would be like the ex Fulham manager get us promoted then leave us fighting for survival

What are you basing that on? Bilic got West Ham to 7th and 11th place finishes in the Prem League.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2019, 12:32:03 PM
Adkins leaving Hull worries me that we could now leave an appointment to early July.




As an aside can we jib this a-z nonsense. Not remotely funny (see Zippy's post in Woodman) and clutters up the thread which is busy enough with rumours and innuendo as it is.
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Post by: BaggieBoy04 on June 08, 2019, 12:41:58 PM
What are you basing that on? Bilic got West Ham to 7th and 11th place finishes in the Prem League.
Just saying he could join a Championship Side get distracted for doing very well and leave us but would happily take him I think he is a great guy and great manager.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 08, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
Adkins leaving Hull worries me that we could now leave an appointment to early July.




As an aside can we jib this a-z nonsense. Not remotely funny (see Zippy's post in Woodman) and clutters up the thread which is busy enough with rumours and innuendo as it is.

Got wba written all over it.

Has prem experience, has championship experience, used to budgets.

Jenkins will be buzzing.
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Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 08, 2019, 02:27:44 PM
Got wba written all over it.

Has prem experience, has championship experience, used to budgets.

Jenkins will be buzzing.

Good manager though and I'd add him to my short list of people I'd be happy to get the job: Jokanovic, Hughton, Pearson, Bilic and Adkins. He'll probably end up at Swansea or Middlesbrough though.
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Post by: Topman on June 08, 2019, 02:38:03 PM
Someone saying on another forum we can’t agree terms with Bilic so it’s looking unlikely. When I heard Atkins had gone I just knew something could possibly be up
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2019, 02:44:51 PM
Someone saying on another forum we can’t agree terms with Bilic so it’s looking unlikely. When I heard Atkins had gone I just knew something could possibly be up

someone ITK or just someone?
Adkins has been in discussions with Hull about his position for a few months and it always looked likely that he would leave (according to Hull Daily Mail), so the club must have been aware of it before now....I don't think he's in the running to be honest.

I still expect Bilic to be announced soon.
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Post by: Atomic on June 08, 2019, 02:46:40 PM
Someone saying on another forum we can’t agree terms with Bilic so it’s looking unlikely. When I heard Atkins had gone I just knew something could possibly be up


It actually says "if they can agree terms".

Yes I was as guilty as you initially at not looking into the article. Misquote. No story at the moment. Talks apparently continuing.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 08, 2019, 02:55:08 PM

It actually says "if they can agree terms".

Yes I was as guilty as you initially at not looking into the article. Misquote. No story at the moment. Talks apparently continuing.

Yes, this is correct.

People reacting to a mis-quote when you read the actual tweet by Alan Nixon.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on June 08, 2019, 06:59:11 PM
Someone saying on another forum we can’t agree terms with Bilic so it’s looking unlikely. When I heard Atkins had gone I just knew something could possibly be up

Marmalade Atkins
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Post by: Xpresso on June 08, 2019, 07:35:56 PM
Atkins would be a better option for me. Knows the Championship and its players, has promotions on his CV and his teams play decent football. Also think he'd be better at bringing on the crop of promising youngsters we have coming through.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bilic is a good choice, but there is a risk element since his knowledge of Championship football is limited to say the least.
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Post by: superkev on June 08, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
I agree I have always liked Adkins style of football and he is highly underrated so it’s a YES FROM ME
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Post by: Blowee on June 08, 2019, 08:48:43 PM
I agree I have always liked Adkins style of football and he is highly underrated so it’s a YES FROM ME
I think he's one of a number of good managers available now - I would be happy with him or Bilic.
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Post by: divinewind on June 08, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
I would prefer Bilic, we would stand a better chance should we go up. Adkins has done well mainly in lower leagues, another Kenny Jacket imo.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 08, 2019, 09:25:39 PM
I’ve warmed to the idea of Adkins. Think he’s quite underrated and if I remember rightly he was harshly sacked by Southampton (at the time).

I think Bilic would be more ambitious and probably has a better knowledge of some European players. However Adkins could probably rebuild the squad better.

If he can convince Bowen to come here aswell that would be great.
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Post by: Foster#1 on June 08, 2019, 09:26:41 PM
Adkins wants time off apparently
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Post by: alex1 on June 08, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
Slightly dissapointed Labbadia not being mentioned now. There are no real clues whether  that is down to us or him.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 08, 2019, 11:21:10 PM
Slightly dissapointed Labbadia not being mentioned now. There are no real clues whether  that is down to us or him.

If I was him I would have lost interest by now anyway.
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Post by: lewisant on June 09, 2019, 07:28:37 AM
I know football isn’t “normal” but to be interviewed and wait a couple of weeks is completely normal so if people really want to manage us (and they’ve interviewed that tell me they do!) then surely they wouldn’t mind being patient?!

Hopefully we’ll get a Sunday exclusive update today or something.
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Post by: we8seals on June 09, 2019, 08:15:01 AM
If I had interviewed a candidate that impressed and I decided I really  wanted to hire I would not the the bugger leave the building let alone leave it two weeks to make an offer!
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Post by: kendo on June 09, 2019, 08:39:14 AM
Dead right mate, but don't forget they have got to plot to have a meeting with owner .I wander how long it will take to do that . Have you ever heard anything so pathetic. We become more of a joke every day that passes
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Post by: wbastrollers on June 09, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
Dead right mate, but don't forget they have got to plot to have a meeting with owner .I wander how long it will take to do that . Have you ever heard anything so pathetic. We become more of a joke every day that passes

I think that’s the point - they have to consult with Lai in China before they can agree to anything . I presume that would consist of a dossier of all the likely candidates or maybe unlikely as well.
In the meantime back home ‘ the wolves are gathering’.
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 09, 2019, 09:06:10 AM
I think that’s the point - they have to consult with Lai in China before they can agree to anything . I presume that would consist of a dossier of all the likely candidates or maybe unlikely as well.
In the meantime back home ‘ the wolves are gathering’.

Consult a bloke in China who knows absolutely nothing about football, you couldn't make it up could you?...what a cake and ar*e party this is turning out to be.
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Post by: wbastrollers on June 09, 2019, 09:22:14 AM
Consult a bloke in China who knows absolutely nothing about football, you couldn't make it up could you?...what a cake and ar*e party this is turning out to be.

Who knows he may have left it to the UK board previously and he now realises he knows as much as they do ?! Which is nothing.
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Post by: geoff on June 09, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
Who knows he may have left it to the UK board previously and he now realises he knows as much as they do ?! Which is nothing.

I thought he had one of his men here already if so i don't see the need.   
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Post by: divinewind on June 09, 2019, 10:48:39 AM
Adkins wants time off apparently

This is the usual excuse once they know we are interested. If you are a football manager there is nothing quite like being out of work. :)
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Post by: zippyandbungle on June 09, 2019, 07:18:11 PM
Consult a bloke in China who knows absolutely nothing about football, you couldn't make it up could you?...what a cake and ar*e party this is turning out to be.
I’d assume the contractual obligation on this appointment will be over 4m regardless of who it is....if I knew naff all about football but you were spending 4m of my money I’d want a  say in it
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 09, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
West Brom had been linked with Portuguese manager Rui Almeida, but SM Caen have confirmed that they have appointed him as their boss

Another one off the list  ;)
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Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 09, 2019, 11:14:35 PM
I just hope for their sake that this as all been worth the wait or they will get it big time. They need to get it right this time, we've said that many times but this really is a massive moment in the clubs history.
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Post by: Barrington on June 10, 2019, 06:03:47 AM
I just hope for their sake that this as all been worth the wait or they will get it big time.

I bet the board are scared. What are people going to do? Threaten to not renew their season tickets, then renew them anyway? Again  ::)
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Post by: Chipperfan on June 10, 2019, 06:52:20 AM
The whole situation reminds me of a few years back when we were allegedly talking to Ranieri and Rangnick and we ended up with Clarke.

Don’t get me wrong, on reflection Clarke did as good a job as possible but wasn’t one of the more exciting names being bandied about.
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 10, 2019, 07:46:49 AM
I’d assume the contractual obligation on this appointment will be over 4m regardless of who it is....if I knew naff all about football but you were spending 4m of my money I’d want a  say in it

I totally agree with that aspect, but it could be a case that we have three options, one is £2m a year, the second is £4m and the final one is £6m. We all know that the middle option is the best, but we have Jenkins who's main job appears to be saving money, speaking to Mr Lai who knows absolutely nothing about the english game and the names involved. I have no doubt that this will involve yet another trip to China 1st class [a wild assumption on my part I know, but I cannot see Jenkins and co going economy]  and whilst all this is going on, the clock is ticking towards the start of next season.

We all know It will be the £2m option don't we.........

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Post by: baggiejohn on June 10, 2019, 08:11:42 AM
I totally agree with that aspect, but it could be a case that we have three options, one is £2m a year, the second is £4m and the final one is £6m. We all know that the middle option is the best, but we have Jenkins who's main job appears to be saving money, speaking to Mr Lai who knows absolutely nothing about the english game and the names involved. I have no doubt that this will involve yet another trip to China 1st class [a wild assumption on my part I know, but I cannot see Jenkins and co going economy]  and whilst all this is going on, the clock is ticking towards the start of next season.

We all know It will be the £2m option don't we.........

If I were paying my CEO (an alleged) £1 million a year, I wouldn't want any options.
I would want them to justify their choice though, especially if I were paying.

Think it's a bit more complex than that though. Bilic (et al) on a 3 year deal would cost around £5/6 million. If that money comes from known income, that's £5/6 million less we can spend on players. I suspect Jenkins will be making a case for Lai to provide funds for the next manager's wages.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 10, 2019, 08:49:42 AM
When DM was sacked I truly believe the board thought they would be getting in Jokanovic, his wage demands changed and that left us looking silly.

With how long its taken the last few weeks, I can't see it being Labaddia, I think his interests in the job will have cooled now with how long its taken to go back to him.

I think the board would have liked Hughton but the mix of wanting a break and his wage demands has also killed that one.

Next on the list is Bilic, the board took a liking to him when he lost his job at West Ham but he wasn't interested, this time round we are probably his best bet, I'm guessing he will want a decent promotion bonus and wage increase should we go up, the club will be trying to get the cheapest deal, which again is another reason I think this one will die down.

Then I think the board will turn to Adkins, decent reputation, plays good enough football, knows the championship, experience in the prem, works on a budget, sounds like Jenkins' dream man.
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Post by: kanu on June 10, 2019, 09:55:51 AM
When DM was sacked I truly believe the board thought they would be getting in Jokanovic, his wage demands changed and that left us looking silly.

With how long its taken the last few weeks, I can't see it being Labaddia, I think his interests in the job will have cooled now with how long its taken to go back to him.

I think the board would have liked Hughton but the mix of wanting a break and his wage demands has also killed that one.

Next on the list is Bilic, the board took a liking to him when he lost his job at West Ham
but he wasn't interested, this time round we are probably his best bet, I'm guessing he will want a decent promotion bonus and wage increase should we go up, the club will be trying to get the cheapest deal, which again is another reason I think this one will die
down.

Then I think the board will turn to Adkins, decent reputation, plays good enough football, knows the championship, experience in the prem, works on a budget, sounds like Jenkins' dream man.

This will probably be how it’ll pan out. It could even be why Adkins has left Hull in the first place. Don’t rule out Appleton either.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2019, 10:02:46 AM
This will probably be how it’ll pan out. It could even be why Adkins has left Hull in the first place. Don’t rule out Appleton either.

Adkins' reasons for leaving Hull are more to do with the owners (and people think we are a basket case of a club!  well we are but there is always someone else worse off!), he has been in discussions with them for a few months now but the local media up here always felt that he would leave.

Adkins does have some Premier league experience with both Southampton and Reading but only something like 1 full season in total. He did seem harshly sacked by Soton at the time but I can't say I remember much about them at the time. Reading were pretty much already down when he took over from McDermott. His Sheff Utd side did finish in their lowest position for 33 years with him in charge.....he was sacked and replaced by Wilder. A bit of a mixed bag really with most of his experience coming in lower leagues.
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 10, 2019, 11:19:12 AM
Adkins' reasons for leaving Hull are more to do with the owners (and people think we are a basket case of a club!  well we are but there is always someone else worse off!), he has been in discussions with them for a few months now but the local media up here always felt that he would leave.

Adkins does have some Premier league experience with both Southampton and Reading but only something like 1 full season in total. He did seem harshly sacked by Soton at the time but I can't say I remember much about them at the time. Reading were pretty much already down when he took over from McDermott. His Sheff Utd side did finish in their lowest position for 33 years with him in charge.....he was sacked and replaced by Wilder. A bit of a mixed bag really with most of his experience coming in lower leagues.

He won two successive promotions with Southampton from League One to the Premier League - no mean feat.   Saints were doing ok in the PL when he was replaced by Pochettino during a boardroom battle there. That turned out to be a good move by both Saints and Poch, although for the past two seasons Saints have consistently lower than they were under Adkins.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
He won two successive promotions with Southampton from League One to the Premier League - no mean feat.   Saints were doing ok in the PL when he was replaced by Pochettino during a boardroom battle there. That turned out to be a good move by both Saints and Poch, although for the past two seasons Saints have consistently lower than they were under Adkins.

I wasn't questioning his tenure at Southampton more pointing out that he has only about 1 season worth of Premier league "experience" (something that was mentioned by another poster).

He struggled at Sheff Utd in a more recent appointment, although he has done a decent job at Hull City under very difficult circumstances.
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Post by: kanu on June 10, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
Not keen on Adkins at all. Especially with names like Labbadia and Bilic in the frame. I’d love it to be one of them. I think either one of them would bring back hope and excitement and maybe a few good signings too. If Adkins is a serious option ahead of those 2 then I’d stick with Shan.
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 10, 2019, 11:41:55 AM
So this weeks name is Adkins.......

Last week was Bilic, and the week before was Labbadia

I wonder who the name in the frame will be next week?

I am seriously losing the will to live with this club. [Love them all the same though]
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2019, 11:46:46 AM
So this weeks name is Adkins.......

Last week was Bilic, and the week before was Labbadia

I wonder who the name in the frame will be next week?

I am seriously losing the will to live with this club. [Love them all the same though]

Don't think Adkins is a serious contender at all. Fans have seen his resignation from Hull and put 2+2 together and got 5.
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Post by: NJS on June 10, 2019, 12:02:10 PM
When DM was sacked I truly believe the board thought they would be getting in Jokanovic, his wage demands changed and that left us looking silly.

If that's the case then I'm really glad the board didn't appoint Jokanovic.  Seems like he thought that he'd got the club where he wanted: verbal agreement; we sack DM then he raises his price.  Such unprincipled behaviour sets up a rot in any organisation and I guess the demands would not stop there.   
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Post by: divinewind on June 10, 2019, 12:23:26 PM
I still hope it's Bilic. As i said before Adkins is a good lower league manager. I don't know if he the personality to deal with some of our players.
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Post by: KN22 on June 10, 2019, 12:45:27 PM
It's still Bilic for me too. Would love to know the exact situation right now but that's a hope too far I know. Surely this week will bring some news????
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 10, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
Not keen on Adkins at all. Especially with names like Labbadia and Bilic in the frame. I’d love it to be one of them. I think either one of them would bring back hope and excitement and maybe a few good signings too. If Adkins is a serious option ahead of those 2 then I’d stick with Shan.



totally agree, a big no to Adkins from me
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Post by: j2burnz on June 10, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
Confused by the negativity to Adkins. He did an unbelievable job at Southampton and was pretty much shafted in losing his job there although no one can argue in hindsight Pochettino is a phenomenal manager. Double promotion when they were ' on their a**e in league 1 is not to be underestimated.

Granted he didn't rip up trees at Reading or Sheff Utd but I would argue he was probably scarred from his very harsh dismassal from Southampton.

He has done a quality job at Hull who were in an even worse state than we are likely to be when he got there. If not for a very slow start they would likely have made the play offs.

Naturally a very positive guy, with a promotion on his CV from the championship in the not too distant past, still hungry with vast experience of the league crucially though with a point to prove.

Personally think he'd be an excellent choice. Him or Hughton for me are the best candidates to take over the 'current' Albion. 



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Post by: Pie on June 10, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
I wouldn't be against Adkins and would certainly put him ahead of other names mentioned. Bilic still my personal first choice however.

Hoping the club makes an appointment this week - surely it can't go on much longer!!
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Post by: baggie96 on June 10, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
Needs to be appointed ASAP, players are back 2 weeks today
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Post by: overseas baggie on June 10, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
I wasn't questioning his tenure at Southampton more pointing out that he has only about 1 season worth of Premier league "experience" (something that was mentioned by another poster).

He struggled at Sheff Utd in a more recent appointment, although he has done a decent job at Hull City under very difficult circumstances.

I don’t worry about his PL experience. He’s been there and managed there, so would at least pass the “respect” test of those of our players who have an issue with, for example, the Cowleys.

We aren’t in the PL yet and until we actually get there it is not an issue. There is no obligation to retain a manager who has won promotion if it’s felt they aren’t what’s needed. It’s merely a payoff.  Let’s get promoted first and then worry about it.
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Post by: slate on June 10, 2019, 04:01:23 PM
I bet the board are scared. What are people going to do? Threaten to not renew their season tickets, then renew them anyway? Again  ::)

I am considering penning a strongly worded letter which I may or may not post.
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Post by: phbaggies on June 10, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
Needs to be appointed ASAP, players are back 2 weeks today
What players??  :-\ :-\
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 10, 2019, 05:50:01 PM
What players??  :-\ :-\
HRK will be there, never fear.
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Post by: gerry m on June 10, 2019, 05:50:29 PM
Just a little light relief.

'Little old lady fell over outside the ticket office yesterday
She was struggling to get up
Mark Jenkins rushed over and said can you manage dear?
Not on your wages she replied'
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Post by: benalbion on June 10, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
The way things have gone at the albion over the years im looking at this realistically.
Unlikely (what we all want) - we get a manager in who be allowed to have a clear out, bring in fresh ideas and his own staff and new players
Likely(what those at the top will do) - Shan will be manager come august. After loans gone back and players are sold we will be picking the bones from a depleted squad and bring in quick cheap options for start of season

i said this a month ago. Im not the only one that could see it coming and its still looking likely. with the exception of shan being manager..maybe him looking after first team affairs for a while longer until we sort things out.. which should be by xmas 2020
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2019, 06:55:50 PM

i said this a month ago. Im not the only one that could see it coming and its still looking likely. with the exception of shan being manager..maybe him looking after first team affairs for a while longer until we sort things out.. which should be by xmas 2020


Nothing in your first post has happened mate.
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Post by: benalbion on June 10, 2019, 07:02:24 PM

Nothing in your first post has happened mate.

I said its looking likely not happend
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 10, 2019, 07:17:15 PM
I said its looking likely not happend
Maybe I’m too much of an optimist but I think the most likely scenario is that we have a very good experienced manager with international experience before the end of this week.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 10, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
Sheffield United High Court case: ‘Manager Chris Wilder could leave depending on outcome,’ barrister claims

Is this holding things up?

Source: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/latest-blades-news/sheffield-united-high-court-case-manager-chris-wilder-could-leave-depending-on-outcome-barrister-claims-71810?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: darbolina on June 10, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
prince abdullah invested 5m for 50% of 100m club value - is he Peace in disguise?
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Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2019, 11:33:48 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/10/west-brom-wary-of-waiting-for-potential-chris-wilder-exit-as-talks-with-slaven-bilic-continue/

Key points.

Discussions with Billic still on going but progress being made nobody is saying they are at an impasse.

Wilder would be an option should the court case go in Prince Abdullah's favour. This is something that has definetly been signalled to the Albion and Boro (who haven't moved to fill their vaccancy yet)

Hughton not completely out of the picture.
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Post by: Dexy on June 10, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
I just have a gut feeling Hughton would be a better fit than Bilic , a safer option if you like .
So much work to do and as we saw last season throwing a bunch of players together that should be good enough doesn't always work which is what I'd expect under Bilic .
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2019, 11:44:10 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/10/west-brom-wary-of-waiting-for-potential-chris-wilder-exit-as-talks-with-slaven-bilic-continue/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/10/west-brom-wary-of-waiting-for-potential-chris-wilder-exit-as-talks-with-slaven-bilic-continue/)

Key points.

Discussions with Billic still on going but progress being made nobody is saying they are at an impasse.

Wilder would be an option should the court case go in Prince Abdullah's favour. This is something that has definetly been signalled to the Albion and Boro (who haven't moved to fill their vaccancy yet)

Hughton not completely out of the picture.


I've stopped reading anything Wilson puts out on the matter. Percy only for me until this is resolved. Don't think Matt has any direct 'in' to the club unfortunately.
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Post by: Mo on June 11, 2019, 06:23:49 AM
I just have a gut feeling Hughton would be a better fit than Bilic , a safer option if you like .
So much work to do and as we saw last season throwing a bunch of players together that should be good enough doesn't always work which is what I'd expect under Bilic .

I’m not sure on Bilic either . Have concerns about longevity of it . We need a solid safe pair of hands at the moment .
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Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2019, 06:43:25 AM
The longer it drags on the more I can see it being Adkins.
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Post by: colinmax on June 11, 2019, 06:47:27 AM
when Bilic was sacked by West Ham didn't his replacement complain that the players were not fit?
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Post by: baggiejohn on June 11, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
If Bilic's not right, just move on, getting him cheaper won't make him right.
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Post by: sammyg on June 11, 2019, 08:03:26 AM
After reading that article from express and star the more I’m thinking we’ll wait for the Wilder situation to be sorted, then try and appoint him and have Appleton as back up  ???
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Post by: lewisant on June 11, 2019, 08:11:29 AM
After reading that article from express and star the more I’m thinking we’ll wait for the Wilder situation to be sorted, then try and appoint him and have Appleton as back up  ???

Despite the E&S article stating we won’t be waiting?! Wilson even reiterated it in a tweet. To me it made it sound like we are letting that ship sail and we should because that is based on ifs, buts and maybes surrounding Sheff Utd
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Post by: Mister AT on June 11, 2019, 08:47:39 AM
Personally I would prefer Hughton to Bilic.

I have warmed to the idea of Adkins, although he isn't the 'statement of intent', i think he would do a good job for us.

What's happened to Labaddia, is that one dead now or is it a case of us saying thanks - we will be in touch.

Still think there's a long way to go before we have an appointment.
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Post by: Atomic on June 11, 2019, 09:04:30 AM
Personally I would prefer Hughton to Bilic.

I have warmed to the idea of Adkins, although he isn't the 'statement of intent', i think he would do a good job for us.

What's happened to Labaddia, is that one dead now or is it a case of us saying thanks - we will be in touch.

Still think there's a long way to go before we have an appointment.


Reading between the lines I think Albion have decided Labbadia is not the one they want. It was stated that wages weren't an issue with Labbadia but following his interview Albion seem to have cooled their interest. Similarly Cowley, Bowyer seem to out of the running now, whilst the likes of Monk, Pearson I don't think were ever seriously considered.

After holding a second interview with Bilic, talks are ongoing, from what I can make out regarding bonuses and the like. If they are fine tuning details as they seemingly are it does seem that Bilic is the one from all the people they've looked into (and boy there clearly have been a number) that they really want. According to Matt Wilson there's been no word of any impasse from either side so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bilic announced within the next 48 hours.

............... However, this is of course Albion we're talking about so it'll probably drag on for another three months then they'll appoint Ron Atkinson again.  ;D
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 11, 2019, 09:08:09 AM
Or Ron Saunders, he'd wouldn't want much in the way of wages.
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Post by: darbolina on June 11, 2019, 09:18:57 AM
I think it will be Adkins now. They've had ample time to sort a deal with a number of out of work managers (Hughton, Jokanovic, Labbadia, Bilic to name a few), Bowyer and Wilder have apparently been considered along with Cowley. Maybe a couple of others have been considered too.

I recall Peace apparently liking Adkins a lot in the past which may influence Jenkins now. He's relatively cheap , can work on the cheap, will probably work in our 'model' (DoF puppet of Jenkins), plays decent football on the whole and has achieved promotions (Scunthorpe and Southampton). He'd be a safe, prudent (cheaper/ lower risk) option than others and probably wouldn't demand we reinvest too much money from player sales which is probably very important to Jenkins and Lai.

Adkins would be ok and would see us as a good step in his career as opposed to others who may wonder what hits them after they start work here and realise what a mess we've become. You never know it might just work out............he made a relative success of Hull who have also been in a mess.

Can't wait for the season to begin already!
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Post by: victor mature on June 11, 2019, 09:28:16 AM
I think there is a spectrum with steady eddies like hughton and Adkins at one end and fireworks like Bilic and Jokanovic at the other. I think I'm at the steady Eddie end as the other end will see us going through all this again in 12 months
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Post by: Mister AT on June 11, 2019, 09:47:18 AM
I think it will be Adkins now. They've had ample time to sort a deal with a number of out of work managers (Hughton, Jokanovic, Labbadia, Bilic to name a few), Bowyer and Wilder have apparently been considered along with Cowley. Maybe a couple of others have been considered too.

I recall Peace apparently liking Adkins a lot in the past which may influence Jenkins now. He's relatively cheap , can work on the cheap, will probably work in our 'model' (DoF puppet of Jenkins), plays decent football on the whole and has achieved promotions (Scunthorpe and Southampton). He'd be a safe, prudent (cheaper/ lower risk) option than others and probably wouldn't demand we reinvest too much money from player sales which is probably very important to Jenkins and Lai.

Adkins would be ok and would see us as a good step in his career as opposed to others who may wonder what hits them after they start work here and realise what a mess we've become. You never know it might just work out............he made a relative success of Hull who have also been in a mess.

Can't wait for the season to begin already!

Bang on mate.

The more I think about it, the more I can see Adkins being the one they choose.

The idea of getting Bilic in probably looks more like a coup for a championship team, but in all honesty I don't really see him being the man to rebuild a squad, I had a quick look at his signings at West Ham and he didn't really bring anyone of note in on the cheap, his better signings were big money deals, that isn't going to be an option this summer.

Hughton and Adkins like you said, represent a 'safer' pair of hands, more likely to steady the ship and less erratic.

I think the board and especially Jenkins would see Adkins as the ideal man, cheaper, knows the league, would see us as a potential step up, wont haggle over wages and will probably be happy to work on a tighter budget.

I wouldn't be surprised if the club haven't spoken to Adkins with the prospect of letting him have a few weeks off with a 'gentlemens agreement' to be the next boss, whilst keeping one eye on the Sheff United situation in the hope Wilder becomes available.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 11, 2019, 09:49:44 AM
I think it will be Adkins now. They've had ample time to sort a deal with a number of out of work managers (Hughton, Jokanovic, Labbadia, Bilic to name a few), Bowyer and Wilder have apparently been considered along with Cowley. Maybe a couple of others have been considered too.

I recall Peace apparently liking Adkins a lot in the past which may influence Jenkins now. He's relatively cheap , can work on the cheap, will probably work in our 'model' (DoF puppet of Jenkins), plays decent football on the whole and has achieved promotions (Scunthorpe and Southampton). He'd be a safe, prudent (cheaper/ lower risk) option than others and probably wouldn't demand we reinvest too much money from player sales which is probably very important to Jenkins and Lai.

Adkins would be ok and would see us as a good step in his career as opposed to others who may wonder what hits them after they start work here and realise what a mess we've become. You never know it might just work out............he made a relative success of Hull who have also been in a mess.

Can't wait for the season to begin already.

Is there any evidence that we've even spoken to Adkins?

Also it's been reported that we are at a crucial stage of negotiations with Bilic.
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Post by: Atomic on June 11, 2019, 09:57:43 AM
Is there any evidence that we've even spoken to Adkins?

Also it's been reported that we are at a crucial stage of negotiations with Bilic.


The only people who have mentioned Adkins have been our supporters. No evidence whatsoever that Albion are interested in Adkins.
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Post by: Albion79 on June 11, 2019, 10:08:12 AM
I would have no problem if we appointed a Hughton or Adkins, both are good managers, Adkins i think plays better football but Hughton has experience at the higher level (should we get there) i can see the appeal to both.

However the issue with appointing a safe pair of hands is that you get more of the same, Pulis was a safe pair of hands, Pardew was supposedly a safe pair of hands, Darren Moore knew the club inside out, even Jimmy Shan who knew the club inside out brought in two assistants in Reid and Appleton who knew the club.

Certainly Pulis and Pardew have made managerial careers out of working off a certain template (as most managers do) but i just feel things have gone stale at the Albion over the last few years and maybe it does need the type of character is a bit more think outside the box, who doesnt know the club, who will break up the core, who will freshen things up.

I feel with a Hughton or Adkins they will probably work largely with what they have got and have no doubt would do a decent job, however i personally would like somebody who is going to come in and get me excited as a fan again, that Ardiles or Mowbray type appointment, a little bit of a risk.

Of course for every Ardiles or Mowbray there is a Pepe Mel or Irvine but i just feel how stale we have become its a risk we should take to lift the club again, however its not me who has hundreds of millions invested like Mr Lai so he probably wont view things the same!
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Post by: darbolina on June 11, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
Is there any evidence that we've even spoken to Adkins?

Also it's been reported that we are at a crucial stage of negotiations with Bilic.

No, no evidence that I'm aware of - just putting 2 and 2 together - Albion usually look for cheaper options, 'steady Eddie' characters , Adkins out of contract in two weeks time, Peace's past view of Adkins (Jenkins a Peace disciple), Adkins working on a budget, much lower paid than others..........

It is tough to see how this leadership can re-invigorate the club whoever comes in , we seem a bit like the club Megson joined and had to 'electrify' hence why maybe a bigger, stronger character is needed to wake everyone up!
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Post by: divinewind on June 11, 2019, 11:22:30 AM
I think there is a spectrum with steady eddies like hughton and Adkins at one end and fireworks like Bilic and Jokanovic at the other. I think I'm at the steady Eddie end as the other end will see us going through all this again in 12 months

Being an old school Albion fan, fireworks is what i go for. The club used to have an air of flair, panache and the outrageous in the way we played.
Steady Eddie? Nah, not for me.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 11, 2019, 11:33:39 AM
I think the fact our academy manager has now left us aswell, leaves another role that now needs to be filled.

We just seem to be on a bit of a downward spiral at the moment and its going to take a strong appointment to grab us by the scruff of the neck and wake us up.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2019, 11:37:30 AM
I think the fact our academy manager has now left us aswell, leaves another role that now needs to be filled.

We just seem to be on a bit of a downward spiral at the moment and its going to take a strong appointment to grab us by the scruff of the neck and wake us up.


James Shan step forward.
Keeps him at the club and no compensation to pay. Winner winner chicken dinner
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Post by: MarkW on June 11, 2019, 11:58:56 AM

James Shan step forward.
Keeps him at the club and no compensation to pay. Winner winner chicken dinner

Based on what I've read on Twitter, Shan is more likely to join him than take over from him
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 11, 2019, 12:14:08 PM
Based on what I've read on Twitter, Shan is more likely to join him than take over from him
linky please? He’s been guaranteed a high position whether the new manager wants him as a coach or not, so for him to go would need a massive change of heart.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 11, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
linky please? He’s been guaranteed a high position whether the new manager wants him as a coach or not, so for him to go would need a massive change of heart.

Shan doesn't seem the type to stick around if he's not wanted. I imagine if the new boss doesn't fancy Jimmy as part of his coaching staff, he will be off to a new adventure. He deserves more than returning to his under 23's job.

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Post by: MarkW on June 11, 2019, 12:36:00 PM
linky please? He’s been guaranteed a high position whether the new manager wants him as a coach or not, so for him to go would need a massive change of heart.

https://twitter.com/T2Mardybum/status/1138378384755625984?s=19

Retweeted by Chris Lepkowski but no-one ITK as far as I can tell

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Post by: AlbionFan on June 11, 2019, 12:41:31 PM

James Shan step forward.
Keeps him at the club and no compensation to pay. Winner winner chicken dinner

That would be a backward step for Shan
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 11, 2019, 12:51:16 PM
https://twitter.com/T2Mardybum/status/1138378384755625984?s=19

Retweeted by Chris Lepkowski but no-one ITK as far as I can tell

And I think he will be back for a few of our academy players, worrying is that
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 11, 2019, 12:52:10 PM
Being an old school Albion fan, fireworks is what i go for. The club used to have an air of flair, panache and the outrageous in the way we played.
Steady Eddie? Nah, not for me.

This, all day long!
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Post by: KN22 on June 11, 2019, 12:53:40 PM
Blimey what a saga this is. I will have nothing to look at during my lunch break when we finally appoint someone. Still, I'm okay for a while yet methinks ;D
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 11, 2019, 12:58:23 PM
Being an old school Albion fan, fireworks is what i go for. The club used to have an air of flair, panache and the outrageous in the way we played.
Steady Eddie? Nah, not for me.
Nor me, Bilic on the touchline will give us that air of danger, or maybe even some unknown Spaniard with a beard.  We've done the steady Eddie thing for the last few appointments, I'm bored with that now.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 11, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
I'm past caring now tbh - just a revolving door of names from a hierarchy who seemingly have no plan in place.

As for Wilder - I don't think we should be waiting for the outcome of a court case. This season is far too important to be reliant on events in what is turning out to a comedy court case up north.

Not sure where I stand on Billic to be honest - is he really cut out for the grind of a long championship season on a club with a dwindling budget? Meh.
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Post by: baggie96 on June 11, 2019, 01:59:24 PM
This is ridiculous, should have been done weeks ago. Board have completely lost any good feeling from the fans that was there after the villa game. Bunch of muppets.
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Post by: Ronnie Allen on June 11, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Despite the E&S article stating we won’t be waiting?! Wilson even reiterated it in a tweet. To me it made it sound like we are letting that ship sail and we should because that is based on ifs, buts and maybes surrounding Sheff Utd

We certainly should be letting it go unless we're prepared to wait potentially a couple of months or even longer.  Court cases like this rarely have a judgement right away when the hearing finishes.  I believe it's common for the judge to reserve judgement so that he/she can go away and look through the documents and testimony more thoroughly than they can during the actual hearing.  They may also want to consult other authorities and make sure of the law.  There is a hell of a lot of detail in these cases.  That means that we may not get a judgment for six weeks or more.  Then the losers may want to appeal.  Of course I could be wrong and we get a clear decision when the hearing ends, but it's a gamble to put our eggs in that particular basket.  Unless, as so often, there's more to this than meets the eye.
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Post by: SirTonyM on June 11, 2019, 03:59:25 PM
I find it bewildering that you can have had a bunch of talks and not talked about compensation / salary. Maybe it’s me but would you not approach that at the start of discussions to even see if it will work. It was like Jokanovic in March. We had talks and we wanted him and then at the end found out how much he wanted...
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 11, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
I find it bewildering that you can have had a bunch of talks and not talked about compensation / salary. Maybe it’s me but would you not approach that at the start of discussions to even see if it will work. It was like Jokanovic in March. We had talks and we wanted him and then at the end found out how much he wanted...
Its sensible to do that and seems obvious. I think jakonovic altered his demands once big Dave got sacked though. Thought he could hold us to  ransom.
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Post by: kanu on June 11, 2019, 05:13:20 PM
The few players we’ve got are back in 12 days. It’s pathetic that we’re dragging this out. It’s looking more and more like Appleton/Shan combo followed by a pack of lies about managers being greedy. Could be mid table at best by Christmas in front of 15000 at this rate.
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Post by: liverbaggie on June 11, 2019, 06:09:20 PM
Its very Peace like,saving 20-40 k per week then appoint at the last minute.
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Post by: paulosull on June 11, 2019, 06:52:53 PM
Its very Peace like,saving 20-40 k per week then appoint at the last minute.
Jenkins watching the pennies but missing the pounds.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 11, 2019, 07:24:52 PM
A supposed sports agent account on Twitter is saying curbishleys name!?? Cant tell If it's a spoof of not
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Post by: royhan on June 11, 2019, 07:33:43 PM
A supposed sports agent account on Twitter is saying curbishleys name!?? Cant tell If it's a spoof of not

Spoof - 100%
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Post by: Chipperfan on June 11, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
A supposed sports agent account on Twitter is saying curbishleys name!?? Cant tell If it's a spoof of not

Is that the agent named Avin Alaf? I suspect it may be a spoof.

Curbishley is also currently linked with vacancies at Newcastle and Chelsea...
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Post by: paulosull on June 11, 2019, 08:19:43 PM
Is that the agent named Avin Alaf? I suspect it may be a spoof.

Curbishley is also currently linked with vacancies at Newcastle and Chelsea...
brother of token d pish
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Post by: viaductbaggies on June 11, 2019, 09:41:12 PM
Is it a done deal ?
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/11/west-brom-enter-final-stages-of-slaven-bilic-talks-as-contract-sent-to-lawyers/
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Post by: paulosull on June 11, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
Sky claiming deal nearly done for Bilic
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Post by: gazberg on June 11, 2019, 09:49:55 PM
All over Twitter from various journalists 99% done. The board have agreed to pay his wages.
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Post by: GREGMT on June 11, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
Good news - lets hope he brings some urgency, drive and intensity to the Hawthorns.  Things have surely been too comfortable for too long?
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Post by: gazberg on June 11, 2019, 09:52:27 PM
Agreed. A fresh start. Will hopefully give everyone a kick up the backside.
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Post by: 17GD on June 11, 2019, 09:54:20 PM
I haven't read the board have agreed to pay his wages. I have read that they've made an offer and lawyers are scrutinising the offer. Hopefully it'll be a done deal this week though.
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Post by: baggie96 on June 11, 2019, 09:55:28 PM
Great news, something completely fresh. No history of the club so should bring in something completely new. Also seen a few comments over his recruitment at West Ham; one - that won’t be completely down to him and two - were they that bad? He got in lanzini, Antonio, Adrian and arnautovic to name a few.
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Post by: gazberg on June 11, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
I haven't read the board have agreed to pay his wages. I have read that they've made an offer and lawyers are scrutinising the offer. Hopefully it'll be a done deal this week though.


One of the Sky Sports guys said they were miles apart on wages but it's been sorted. I'd guess Bilic dropped his demands a little and the board agreed to it. Also said he's had reassurances on other issues.
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Post by: 17GD on June 11, 2019, 10:06:19 PM

One of the Sky Sports guys said they were miles apart on wages but it's been sorted. I'd guess Bilic dropped his demands a little and the board agreed to it. Also said he's had reassurances on other issues.

Superb if true. I still feel (if he does get the job) that there will one day be a fall out regarding promises made and broken...
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Post by: gazberg on June 11, 2019, 10:10:37 PM
Agreed. I wouldn't trust Jenkins as far as I could throw him.
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Post by: Nathan on June 11, 2019, 10:28:22 PM
Out of all the names linked with the job, Bilic is the only one that has really appealed to me and got me remotely excited and thinking positively. If anyone can stand up to Jenkins and attempt to influence and challenge his mindset over any issues that arise, then a character such as Bilic will do it. This might have already happened. Lets hope we can get this over the line by the end of the week.
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Post by: lewisant on June 11, 2019, 10:33:10 PM
Well he's not a yes man, that's for sure and i think that's why Adkins didn't appeal.

I'm behind this 100% and it brings some character to the club. We've been a little beige for a while!
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Post by: liverbaggie on June 11, 2019, 11:25:39 PM
Good news if true.
I like his passion and the fans will be right behind him,let's hope he gets his style over to the players also he will have contacts in Europe so let's give the guy a chance.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 11, 2019, 11:50:56 PM
Let's hope we get this done. Under the circumstances, I'm very happy with Bilic
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Post by: 17GD on June 12, 2019, 01:26:38 AM
Have just read all over Twitter that Slaven Bilic has agreed a 3 year deal. Nothing from official sources, but haven't seen anything that seems to have such weight to it before.

EDIT the Daily Mail are reporting he has agreed a 3 year deal. Just awaiting confirmation from the OS.
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Post by: Standaman on June 12, 2019, 01:48:25 AM
Looks like it is almost there with Bilic Daily Mail reporting 3 year contract agreed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7130755/Slaven-Bilic-set-named-West-Brom-boss-agreeing-three-year-deal-Championship-club.html

Overall I am cautiously optimistic with the proviso that he gets time to work.

Generally he plays progressive football. His record at West Ham was 1 very good season (West Ham's best in the PL era) one mixed and a very poor start to 17/18 season.

Deeply sceptical about who did what with regard transfers at West Ham the whole place is a bit of a soap opera and once Bilic was gone it was very clear that the board was actively briefing against him and running stories about which players he had turned down etc..

With regard to backroom staff he had a group of coaches he had worked with since his spell in charge of the Croatian national team.  That group has now broken up and working elsewhere whether he can get the band back together is debatable but it will be interesting to see who he appoints.

Interesting times and it won't be dull

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Post by: kanu on June 12, 2019, 06:30:20 AM
Delighted if this happens. Just who we need. I was dreading Adkins, Hughton or Appleton. The first two of those three may actually have managed a top six finish but I wouldn’t feel excited like I do now. And anyway if Slav is a disaster then one, if not all of those three, plus their type will always be out there  and available to bring in. We needed charismatic, invigorating, unpredictable, attacking and not steady Eddie, does what it says on the tin. We’re bored of that...bring on the Slav era! Please don’t lose him now Jenkins.
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Post by: victor mature on June 12, 2019, 08:03:30 AM
Although I was cautiously behind appointing Hughton/Adkins/Pearson, I think Bilic would be a great coup for us.
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 12, 2019, 08:13:46 AM
I wanted Jokanovic, but am equally as happy with Bilic. He is an intelligent man, a good speaker and talks a lot of common sense about football from what I’ve seen and heard of him as a pundit on TV.

Fingers crossed!
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Post by: AlbionFan on June 12, 2019, 08:16:58 AM
West Brom enter final stages of Slaven Bilic talks as contract sent to lawyers

It’s all looking positive

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/11/west-brom-enter-final-stages-of-slaven-bilic-talks-as-contract-sent-to-lawyers/
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Post by: section5 on June 12, 2019, 08:26:23 AM
Begs the question why we didnt just go for a proper manager in this time last year while fitting in big dave as joint assistant. Will be a coup for us and I think will bring back a bit of positivity backnto the club
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 12, 2019, 08:31:39 AM
Begs the question why we didnt just go for a proper manager in this time last year while fitting in big dave as joint assistant. Will be a coup for us and I think will bring back a bit of positivity backnto the club

My personal belief is that we've delayed the appointment to have a payment break. Despite all the warranted criticism of the board. If this course of action made it possible to go for a more expensive target, then we have to give Jenkins props. I can only think that Bilic will get backing or don't think he would have agreed to sign on for 3 years
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 08:48:24 AM
My personal belief is that we've delayed the appointment to have a payment break. Despite all the warranted criticism of the board. If this course of action made it possible to go for a more expensive target, then we have to give Jenkins props. I can only think that Bilic will get backing or don't think he would have agreed to sign on for 3 years

Agree with this. Bilic is quite an outspoken character and not afraid to say what he thinks and certainly is not a yes man. Because of that and the length of contract which is surprising he must have been told or promised he will be backed financially.

no way in this world would he have taken the job on the basis he would have to sign players on free or prioritise the loan market.

i think Albion have had to change their budgets and initial plans to get Bilic in to be honest.

i just hope the fans, board etc give him the 3 years and time to re-build the team. the fans must have patience this season.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 12, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
if hes appointed then i will renew my season ticket all being well by xmas
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Post by: seteefeet on June 12, 2019, 09:05:18 AM
Very happy with this, and not just because he is a very good manager, but also because it puts to bed the "cheap option" rhetoric. I was actually starting to buy into it myself that we were on an, asset stripping, downward spiral, whereas this appointment suggests the club still has serious ambitions. I know he is out of work but I can't imagine he was at the cheaper end of the scale compared to others mentioned.
Glad when it is finally confirmed so that I can get some positive vibes back.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 12, 2019, 09:05:50 AM
Agreed Tipton, he needs to be given 2 seasons minimum.
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Post by: webral on June 12, 2019, 09:14:30 AM
I like Bilic and hope I'm wrong but don't think it's a good appointment.

Talk that he had lost the dressing room at West Ham and was a poor tactician.

Sacked again at Ittihad who were probably well backed with a poor win ratio.

Limited knowledge of the championship.

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Post by: VANDERLEI on June 12, 2019, 09:21:37 AM
I like Bilic and hope I'm wrong but don't think it's a good appointment.

Talk that he had lost the dressing room at West Ham and was a poor tactician.

Sacked again at Ittihad who were probably well backed with a poor win ratio.

Limited knowledge of the championship.

How do you figure that? He's had loads of experience of english football.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
agree with the previous comment about that no way would bilic be near the cheaper options what we had to go for for the next manager so if we can get it all finalised then it is a good move.

BUT, like i have said on an earlier comment. the fans MUST back the team and manager next season and may be times we are bottom half of the table. This is all part of the rebuilding process and we must give Bilic an absolute minimum of 2 years. For far too long we have appointed the wrong manager but even so within weeks or several months the pressure is on immediately to provide success. however, i would say this is the first manager we have appointed since Hodgson where there feels to be optimism amongst majority of Albion fans and that tells us a lot considering how many people have been in the hot seat after Roy. The ground needs to back the team next season as there may be times it may not  be great as Bilic builds his own team and ships out the dead wood.

COYB.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 12, 2019, 09:59:04 AM
if hes appointed then i will renew my season ticket all being well by xmas

Ring Bilic, I'm sure he'll jump at the job knowing that.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 12, 2019, 10:00:29 AM
I like Bilic and hope I'm wrong but don't think it's a good appointment.

Talk that he had lost the dressing room at West Ham and was a poor tactician.

Sacked again at Ittihad who were probably well backed with a poor win ratio.

Limited knowledge of the championship.

That's it then.

Bilic Out!
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Post by: darbolina on June 12, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
If it is Bilic, he (like anyone) will need serious backing during the huge rebuild. Even Pep would struggle with our current squad.

Got to be a positive if the club appoint someone who can rebuild us whilst trying to actually play football though. It's been years since we've had a team who could (and who were allowed) to do that..............
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Post by: webral on June 12, 2019, 10:16:59 AM
How do you figure that? He's had loads of experience of english football.
Not in the championship with a small shopping budget.

I hope he does well. At least there should be some honest post game assessment.


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Post by: Mister AT on June 12, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
The one good sign if it is Bilic will be he will have wanted reassurances from the board that he will have enough of a budget to build his own team.

He doesn't come across as a Yes man and from the outside it looks like an ambitious coup from the club to get him in.

You would argue Bilic and Bielsa are the two highest profile managers in the division.

Just hope he is given enough backing by the board to actually bring in some new faces and build his own team, and that goes for us fans aswell, this isn't going to be an easy job and we need to give the new man time.
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Post by: Bakeyaface on June 12, 2019, 10:31:33 AM
The one good sign if it is Bilic will be he will have wanted reassurances from the board that he will have enough of a budget to build his own team.

He doesn't come across as a Yes man and from the outside it looks like an ambitious coup from the club to get him in.

You would argue Bilic and Bielsa are the two highest profile managers in the division.

Just hope he is given enough backing by the board to actually bring in some new faces and build his own team, and that goes for us fans aswell, this isn't going to be an easy job and we need to give the new man time.

I raised this myself, he's not exactly a shrinking violet and I'd imagine in his Contract (if signed) he would have assurances regarding budget etc....
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Post by: stever60 on June 12, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
Looks like we're going to be linked with every current and ex WHU player now.

i hope it is SB now and he has the backing to start a re-build that will enable us to at least challenge for promotion.
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Post by: 17GD on June 12, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
Not in the championship with a small shopping budget.

I hope he does well. At least there should be some honest post game assessment.

This is mega important. Post game assessment is vital and DM was not capable of this. It's one thing to publicly defend your players, but it's another to be constantly coming out with the same old "we'll pick the bones out of it" tripe.

We need a manager who will be honest and come out and say "today wasn't good enough" instead of "they worked aaaard" or "we'll learn from it".

Bilic will organise the team and won't take any rubbish off any one, players, board or fans.
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Post by: divinewind on June 12, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
I would be over the Moon with this appointment but not believing it until i see him holding the scarf.
Agree with others he must be given time to build and bring in his own brand of football.
I remember when Johnny Giles took over at the start of the 75 - 76 season we were bottom of the old Second Division in September.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 12, 2019, 11:25:19 AM
The one bit of news which made me cautious yesterday was the whole 'the contract has been sent to the solicitors' thing.

Found that really bizarre and from memory I cant recall any other club releasing that type of information.
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Post by: Pie on June 12, 2019, 11:32:57 AM
The one bit of news which made me cautious yesterday was the whole 'the contract has been sent to the solicitors' thing.

Found that really bizarre and from memory I cant recall any other club releasing that type of information.

It's a boring thing to say, but I would highly doubt any manager would sign a contract without his own legal advisors reviewing and accepting first. I can only imagine the small print on contacts worth a few million quid over a number of years (especially from Jenkins - bet he tries getting away with a lot!).
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Post by: lewisant on June 12, 2019, 11:33:48 AM
The one bit of news which made me cautious yesterday was the whole 'the contract has been sent to the solicitors' thing.

Found that really bizarre and from memory I cant recall any other club releasing that type of information.

Was that a little prompt to Wilder - "last chance." Not really keen on that game!
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Post by: Atomic on June 12, 2019, 11:43:38 AM
The one bit of news which made me cautious yesterday was the whole 'the contract has been sent to the solicitors' thing.

Found that really bizarre and from memory I cant recall any other club releasing that type of information.


The club haven't released that information. It has come from Matt Wilson, Sky Sports and wherever they got it from, most probably an agent or a representative. If it came from the club it'd be quoted as such.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 12, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
The one bit of news which made me cautious yesterday was the whole 'the contract has been sent to the solicitors' thing.

Found that really bizarre and from memory I cant recall any other club releasing that type of information.

Probably wants to make sure we haven't changed something since we spoke, for example changing from it £ to € as we "allegedly" did with a player a few years ago which saw him go elsewhere. Don't ask me who or exactly when as I genuinely cannot remember but remember the rumours hence my "allegedly"
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Post by: timdon on June 12, 2019, 11:45:27 AM
Was that a little prompt to Wilder - "last chance." Not really keen on that game!
No. It meant that the draft contracts had been sent to the solicitors to look over to make sure that they were legally correct. Normal practice. Nothing underhand or suspicious.
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Post by: dway on June 12, 2019, 11:56:33 AM
Is there a Croatian theme here?
Bilic was born in Split same as Ivanisevic, where was Adrian Chiles mother born?
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Post by: paulosull on June 12, 2019, 11:58:01 AM
No. It meant that the draft contracts had been sent to the solicitors to look over to make sure that they were legally correct. Normal practice. Nothing underhand or suspicious.
Slaven making sure he isn't getting screwed over by Jenkins, like him even more now. Looks like a bloke who won't take rubbish
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 12, 2019, 12:00:52 PM
Is there a Croatian theme here?
Bilic was born in Split same as Ivanisevic, where was Adrian Chiles mother born?

That's next seasons last away game theme sorted then... dressing as Adrian Chiles' mum!
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Post by: tuamigos on June 12, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
That's next seasons last away game theme sorted then... dressing as Adrian Chiles' mum!

Forget it, I ain't dressing up like a Japanese rear admiral for nobody
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Post by: KN22 on June 12, 2019, 01:00:08 PM
Ring Bilic, I'm sure he'll jump at the job knowing that.

 ;D ;D ;D I like it
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 12, 2019, 01:33:37 PM
Not sure what to think of appointing Billic - is he the man for a rebuild job in the Championship?

Hope it works out.
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Post by: Atomic on June 12, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9279209/west-brom-slaven-bilic-boss-west-ham/

Bloody hell. If we're going to have to wait for back up staff to be confirmed we could be waiting another week.

The one good thing is at least he's talking the club up unlike some of our own fans and certain previous people holding important roles at the club.

I would, however, take this report with a pinch of salt. Why would the Sun know anything our own Matt Wilson, or Sky Sports or John Percy wouldn't?
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 02:53:20 PM
Not sure what to think of appointing Billic - is he the man for a rebuild job in the Championship?

Hope it works out.

Out of all the available managers not currently tied with a club i would say majority of Albion fans can agree he is the leading candidate by quite some distance.

i just hope there is no where near as much negativity in the ground next season and we actually back Bilic in what he tries to do. it will take time.
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Post by: section5 on June 12, 2019, 03:11:23 PM
Was really hoping/half expecting this to be done today.. really hope we can get Bilic signed asap. The longer this drags the worse I feel
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Post by: OldburyWBA on June 12, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
In other words he wants his own people and the club are trying to get the existing staff to be kept on.
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Post by: Mister AT on June 12, 2019, 03:53:44 PM
In other words he wants his own people and the club are trying to get the existing staff to be kept on.

Stumbling block could potentially be Shan? Didn't the club say he would be kept on and probably pushing to have him as part of the new set up, Bilic might want a fresh start with all new staff and no ties to the club.

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Post by: lewisant on June 12, 2019, 03:56:37 PM
Stumbling block could potentially be Shan? Didn't the club say he would be kept on and probably pushing to have him as part of the new set up, Bilic might want a fresh start with all new staff and no ties to the club.

And rightly so in my opinion, we've been failing as a club for a while now!
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Post by: alwaysbilly on June 12, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Not sure what to think of appointing Billic - is he the man for a rebuild job in the Championship?

Hope it works out.

Good pal of mine a Hammers STC - in his words:-

Attacking wise very strong
Defensively all over the gaff
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Post by: saml30 on June 12, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
Good pal of mine a Hammers STC - in his words:-

Attacking wise very strong
Defensively all over the gaff

Same as this season then
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Post by: mulliganstired on June 12, 2019, 04:32:45 PM
Good pal of mine a Hammers STC - in his words:-

Attacking wise very strong
Defensively all over the gaff
Well, we've got the defenders in place for that!  Just no strikers left.
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Post by: MBWBA on June 12, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
Good pal of mine a Hammers STC - in his words:-

Attacking wise very strong
Defensively all over the gaff

7th in the Premier with poor defence isn’t bad
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Post by: paulosull on June 12, 2019, 07:03:34 PM
Few hammers fans think he was made a scapegoat for interfering owners.
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Post by: Cullompton baggie on June 12, 2019, 07:19:25 PM
My Original choice before they Pardew in,mate who is West ham through & through says he will find some real jems for you! and should never have been sacked.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 12, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Worrying that nothing has been announced yet. Im just waiting for the Matt Wilson tweet saying things have broken down over his back room staff. Been here before with Sherwood and then we got Irvine! Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on June 12, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
Good pal of mine a Hammers STC - in his words:-

Attacking wise very strong
Defensively all over the gaff

That does seem to be the general view, however it is worth noting that he has the best points to game ratio out of all West Ham's managers.
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Post by: liverbaggie on June 12, 2019, 08:23:09 PM
Just wondering who his backroom staff are and what positions they'll take.
Are we switching back to a manager and coaches or a head coach and ?
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Post by: MarkW on June 12, 2019, 09:18:57 PM
Just wondering who his backroom staff are and what positions they'll take.
Are we switching back to a manager and coaches or a head coach and ?

I think he has a couple of Croatians if this is anything to go by:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_West_Ham_United_F.C._season

Think they were the same guys who were with him at the National Team.

The distinction between Head Coach and Manager for us was related to the use of a DoF, so I would dare say he would stay as Head Coach
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Post by: Standaman on June 12, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
Bilic worked with 3 coaches at West Ham who were very much "team Bilic"

Miljenko Rak - Fitness coach with a background in multiple sports prior to working with Bilic from his time with the Croatian national team onwards. Now over 70 probably retired

Nicola Jurcevic - Long term assistant again from the Croatian national team. Currently managing Azerbaijan.

Edin Terzic Joined Bilic at BeÅŸiktaÅŸ from the ranks of the Dortmund youth set up. Left West Ham when Bilic was fired and is currently back at Dortmund where he is working with their first team.

I doubt whether he will be getting this band back together at the Albion. I think it will be a new team.
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Post by: alex1 on June 12, 2019, 09:58:47 PM
Although Billic wouldn't have been my first choice, I realise it could have been alot worse.
He will have first hand knowledge for the recruitment of Croat players, (although not necessarily special knowledge of other European players), but for a small country, Croatia punches well above its weight. Their players also always seem to be tenacious vigorous types. If it is Billic, he deserves a fair chance. A 3 year contract would be quite generous from the club, but maybe that is the minimum they could negotiate.
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Post by: BalisPen on June 12, 2019, 10:32:31 PM
If it's SB, I wish him all the best, but tbh his record doesn't inspire me and he has no experience of the championship as a manager and we had an opportunity to he Hughton and imo he ticked all the boxes apart from he was probably on gardening leave and therefore didn't fit Jenkins free criteria.
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Post by: victor mature on June 12, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
 I would've preferred Hughton but the days of a manager coming in and building a team maybe old hat in these days of instant gratification .                                                                                         It's a 24/7 soap opera now and maybe a Bilic will give us a media profile and thrills and spills that others wouldn't. Hopefully he'll be easier to warm to than RDM and see out at least 2 years of his contract
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Post by: elmo_in_swansea on June 13, 2019, 07:25:29 AM
Don't know if Bilic would have been my first choice, but I'm liking the different direction things are hopefully/eventually going - we will all have to get behind him or whoever
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 13, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
Will we finally here some news this morning? I think Brexit may happen before we appoint a manager  ;D
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Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 08:46:53 AM
Bring on the Croatians......
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 13, 2019, 08:48:17 AM
Would just like to see him installed as manager now and start to piece together a plan as to how we are going to tackle the season. Said previpusly, in comparison to a number of the other 'candidates' (names banded about), I would certainly take Bilic. My first choice would have been SJ but as a back up, I would welcome Bilic.
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Post by: Albion79 on June 13, 2019, 09:12:05 AM
Rumours are gary monk has left blues, blues fans are going mad!

I wonder if there may be a late twist......
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Post by: phbaggies on June 13, 2019, 09:34:08 AM
Rumours are gary monk has left blues, blues fans are going mad!

I wonder if there may be a late twist......
Sacked by all accounts, wonder if that is because he held talks with us behind their backs? Sacked Rowett for the same reasons apparently
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Post by: seteefeet on June 13, 2019, 09:34:52 AM
Rumours are gary monk has left blues, blues fans are going mad!

I wonder if there may be a late twist......
Yep, saying he's been, or about to be, sacked which just seems absolutely bonkers. Can only think it's a falling out over money.
Too late for him to be in the frame for us though, Bilic seems nailed on, which I'm happy with to be honest. Monk has done a good job, but his football's not great and he just seems unlucky as fudge! He's like Uncle Albert off Only Fools and Horses, every ship he sails on ends up sinking!
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Post by: bradleysrocket on June 13, 2019, 09:36:14 AM
Rumours are gary monk has left blues, blues fans are going mad!

I wonder if there may be a late twist......
from a wind up account from what I can see. Just can’t see it being anything other than that.
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Post by: kanu on June 13, 2019, 09:40:22 AM
Gary Monk is our manager according to Wikipedia??
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Post by: baggiemart on June 13, 2019, 09:44:27 AM
Rumours are gary monk has left blues, blues fans are going mad!

I wonder if there may be a late twist......

I hope not !!!

We can't have this matter going on any longer. It looks like its  Bilic . Lets get him in and start building a squad for next season.
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Post by: phbaggies on June 13, 2019, 09:45:30 AM
from a wind up account from what I can see. Just can’t see it being anything other than that.
Bit more too it than that i think mate, someone tweeted a storms brewing to which he replied oh yes, few 'itk' bluenoses saying he has gone too
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Post by: sammyg on June 13, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Matt Wilson update regarding Bilic https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/13/west-brom-set-to-appoint-slaven-billic-as-head-coach/
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Post by: Hull Baggie on June 13, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
Can't find anything from reliable sources that Monk has been sacked.

Hoping to hear confirmation of Bilic today.


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Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 10:14:58 AM
Can't find anything from reliable sources that Monk has been sacked.

Hoping to hear confirmation of Bilic today.


Could be 48 hours according to Matt Wilson, see above link.

Albion just don't do hurrying.  ;D
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Post by: timdon on June 13, 2019, 10:31:07 AM
Matt Wilson update regarding Bilic https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/13/west-brom-set-to-appoint-slaven-billic-as-head-coach/
Update my ar**. There isn't a single word in the article that hasn't been said in other media outlets. I sometimes think Matt Wilson just sits around all day reading other newspapers and scouring the internet, rather than actually going out into the world, making contacts, and trying to get some new information.
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Post by: Chipperfan on June 13, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
Update my ar**. There isn't a single word in the article that hasn't been said in other media outlets. I sometimes think Matt Wilson just sits around all day reading other newspapers and scouring the internet, rather than actually going out into the world, making contacts, and trying to get some new information.

It is an update, but only if your sole source of news is the Express & Star.
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Post by: Mr Cynical on June 13, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
That link has gone now.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 13, 2019, 11:31:13 AM
That link has gone now.

He never tweeted the link either which is unusual
I reckon it's gone belly up at the last min
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Post by: skyclad99 on June 13, 2019, 11:42:44 AM
Probably read Timdons scathing post :)
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Post by: Dexy on June 13, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
He never tweeted the link either which is unusual
I reckon it's gone belly up at the last min
Garry Monk ?
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Post by: baggie96 on June 13, 2019, 11:48:38 AM
He never tweeted the link either which is unusual
I reckon it's gone belly up at the last min

Back up now, the article has changed from saying an announcement in the next 48 hours to announced soon. Imagine it will be today.
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Post by: cornishbaggie on June 13, 2019, 11:58:32 AM

Could be 48 hours according to Matt Wilson, see above link.

Albion just don't do hurrying.  ;D

Starting to think jockstrap jenkins gets paid by the hour?  ::)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on June 13, 2019, 12:20:24 PM
Percy confirms 2 year deal for Bilic
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Post by: tambag on June 13, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
John Percy
‏Verified account @JPercyTelegraph
48s49 seconds ago

Slaven Bilic is the new head coach of West Brom. 2 year deal. Announcement imminent #wba

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1139130045048545280
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 13, 2019, 12:23:39 PM
John Percy
‏Verified account @JPercyTelegraph
48s49 seconds ago

Slaven Bilic is the new head coach of West Brom. 2 year deal. Announcement imminent #wba

https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1139130045048545280

Excellent! When was Darren Moore sacked again?
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 13, 2019, 12:31:50 PM
Great news. Let the rebuild commence!

Welcome to the club Slav. I will go on record as saying, I am very happy with your appointment. First time I have said that since we appointed Roy.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 13, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
Great news. Let the rebuild commence!

Welcome to the club Slav. I will go on record as saying, I am very happy with your appointment. First time I have said that since we appointed Roy.

Agreed.

no the fans must back SB and get behind him and the team next season. looking forward to this season now and so glad we did not go for a steady eddie.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 13, 2019, 12:38:03 PM
Great to finally have an end to the saga.

Await the rebuild.
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Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 01:03:52 PM
If true the only positive is the 2 year deal imo instead of the rumoured 3 year.

His win ratio is not great when his Croatia record is taken out and it all just stinks of the cheapest option and someone wanting another payday whose never actually done anything of note as a manager.

I'd have preferred CH or SJ, but after them I would have taken an unknown to us from Germany or abroad who had the knowledge of the European transfer market to get in gems etc.

I don't care that he has a law degree or plays the guitar in a rock band, I want him to win matches, and I wish him all the luck in the world in hoping he does that.
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Post by: KN22 on June 13, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
Great news and I doubt very much if he was a cheap option.....